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Hello, Im Goncar of the SLU. I hope our relationship continues!

Thank you Goncar, Outer Azerzia, and Social Liberal Union! Perhaps after some discussion our region can find an Ambassador to send as well!

Thank you for welcoming me! Im glad to be here.

We have a few embassy requests to respond to - anyone have any input?

I see nothing wrong with establishing diplomatic relations with the South Pacific through an embassy.

Hey guys, Evangaurt here. Glad to be a part of your lovely region :).

I would agree [nation=short]Evangaurt[/nation]. This is a wonderful region.

I ask all nations who have endorsed Degitania to please remember our endorsement policy and unendorse as needed. Any nations found to be close to or matching in endorsements will risk being ejected.

We are working on an amendment that will require WA nations to endorse the current democratically elected delegate. It will be posted on the World Factbook Entry for all to see. There will also be stricter penalties for nations who do not abide by our current endorsement laws, which our on our page (URL is also in the WFE). These penalties can include ejection and also possibly ban/eject. These rules are necessary to maintain stability in our region and will have no effect on elections or your ability to vote. Most of these changes are simply in our enforcement of such laws, most have been in place for a while. We can all figure more of this out later, I should be regaining delegate control by 1 am EST. I would like to hear any suggestions nations may have. Thanks!

*are. Sorry but I hate typos!

Can you not provide a 'live' link using 'url' tags? Were the ejects raiders?

Working on the URL tags. Both ejections were residents actually. Both were forewarned about endorsement policy and how we democratically elect leaders. Degitania removed his endorsement of me so that he could take delegate power and once I regained power Katherian started to do the same. There have been no bans and I would like to keep it that way if I can, they are welcome back so long as they conform to our long standing endorsement rules!

Do we have any nations interested in a foreign diplomat position in one of our embassy regions? I know the Social Liberal Union and Philosophy 115 could use a foreign minister from us!

Talking of SLU could we not come to some arrangement with them to assist our defence? They are safe now their founder has returned. If some of their guys were on call around our UDT's that would probably see off most tilts at the WAD. Obviously we can't discuss openly but could our WAD run this past them?

Other regions including the SLU will not get involved in an internal WAD switch - only if we were raided by outside raiders. The enforcement for raids within must come from ourselves, that is why I will be actively enforcing our endorsement laws and will warn nations as needed. If these warnings are not heeded by the nation within a reasonable timeframe they will be booted out of ALH. It has always been my duty to enforce such rules but I have felt uncomfortable doing so until this happened. Now that the rules are listed on our WFE for all the see there is no excuse for non compliance!

Ok this recent problem was 'internal' but if a 'sleeper' manifests could we not have a 'reserve' of volunteers from SLU to take things back ASAP? I know we can call on defenders but they might be otherwise engaged & we do have a particularly close relation with SLU who are one of the biggest regions in NSG, they seem friendly enough why don't we ask?

I have been speaking to their WAD Azerzia and they have extended a friendly hand if ever needed. Hopefully we won't need assistance but it's there if we do! On another note we have two embassy requests pending. We will be receiving more now with our ties to South Pacific. Any ideas?

Of the regions we already have embassies with Internationale & Social Liberal Union have contrasting approaches, the first has a massive number the latter only a few (including us!). I think having a few that matter is better, we could start by looking at the SLU list & see what we like.

If anybody doubts our situation I suggest a look at Liberal Haven. Not good.

Our situation is completely different than Liberal Haven's. We have withstanded plenty of attacks, including one from The Black Rider's themselves. Our trouble this time came from an internal non-confrontational nation, if we were ever raided from the outside we have safeguards and enough defenders. This happened a few months ago actually. The unfortunate truth is this problem with Degitania could have been completely avoided by us - part of them problem was with me and my lack of enforcement on the endorsement laws, and some of that is from our own loose endorsing me do to new nations! Please keep in mind it is also everyone's responsibility to watch how many endorsements they are receiving and how many they are giving - also if you are consistently endorsing other nations who you believe will endorse you back that can increase your likelihood to reach your limit.

We are still experiencing issues with nations endorsing other nations and not our democratically elected WAD. Please note any offending nations risk being ejected from ALH

I have taken preventative measures. The offending nation was temporarily ejected, but invited to return after we are righted.

I appreciate your support Derk - the offending nation sent me a telegram after I heeded him a warning stating that it was "my duty to recognize the true democracy of the region through endorsements". I would like all nations to know that I am 100% in support of democracy, however using endorsements alone does not provide us a strong democracy or security. That is why we have elections. Any nation who tries to go against the constitution and laws that WE ALL drafted will be righted - if they do not correct themselves, as Standen did not, they will be ejected and only invited back of they play by our rules. Here we are trying to prevent outside invaders from taking us over and it's our insiders crumbling us down. Sounds like the U.S right now (hehehe). At least it was a trusted ally/Vice Delegate that took the position! All will be righted soon.

Also I ask that one nation please remove it's endorsement of Derk to right the WAD pendulum!

Can I suggest that before the PW is lifted or WAD changed that thus region implement an absolute ban on cross endorsement other than to the elected WAD & deputy. Also it is clear that any arrangement with the SLU counts for nothing it only required 2 nations to move & endorse yet in the end derkomia acted before anything materialised. I have bitter experience of SLU/DSass/DSall they are quick to say x is a good idea but when it comes to action (mouse clicks!) They can't be bothered. I contacted SLU & I believe the authorised WAD did the same WTF are they?

The region is password protected Lydda, they probably can't get in. I would be quick to say that the SLU owes us anything; we appreciate their help but it is not expected. Everything seems under control now - it does take time to get nations to act. I do agree we need stricter endorsement policy but we also need to be careful not to impose a draconian rule for endorsements or cross endorsements. We need to balance the pendulums of freedom to elect ones owns leaders through democracy and endorsing and our need to maintain order by regulating this. It's a fine line to manage. Sheila Anteres has a wonderful view on this, and I invite them to eloborate here if they are comfortable.

*i realized a typo above - I meant that I would be quick to say the SLU DOESN'T owe us anything!

Suggestion: you & derk' function as WAD & deputy for the moment. Try and max out your influence that'll make it expensive for any raider to eject. All WA's to endorse you two (the one with greatest influence will be WAD, no other endorse other than WAD & deputy endorsing WA's that gives them 2 which allows them to bring stuff to WA but also gives tight security.

It is all too true that any region's security is in it's own hands.

Unfortunately that is not how the WAD delegate is chosen. The delegate is chosen through a free voting process, therefore it must be me to remain delegate until the next election. As for influence I believe both me and Derk have maxed out our influence as we are very large nations who have resided in ALH since our inception with no moves elsewhere during that time. I agree we need a policy for endorsements and security precautions but the WAD can in no way be decided simply on influence, as that goes against what our democracy is about

We are attempting in the SLU to gather recruits to send over. It is taking longer than we would like but it is being done. This is an unprecedented event for us and we don't yet have an organization capable of a quick response. If you still need help, we will get recruits over here as soon as possible

I've noticed plenty of us have very interesting nation motto's - does anyone want to share the story of where there's came from?

An homage to the late great George Carlin

Don't worry bout the typo.

No one has lost the delegate seat more than I have. ;)

Joe Pesci seems like the kind of guy who can get stuff done.

Also, Mine is on the flag. Yao Guai (for those not in the know) are a post apocalyptic mutation of Bears found in the game Fallout 3.

Oh Derk you're making me feel bad! :P my motto I came up with in 2007 and my people won't let me change it now!

Think nothing of it, Garchy. Just call me the ALH Cincinnatus

We apologise if our security anxieties have caused any problems & we are pleased that the PW has been maintained.

As might have been noticed by some a secondary "colony" region of A Liberal Haven has been set up as 'ALH Haven" - while I'm not trying to recruit nations from this region to that I think it is a good backup in case we ever considered moving and re-founding ALH at a later date as a region with a founder (to protect us from attack). At this present time that doesn't seem feesible but if anyone has any ideas for ALH Haven please let me know!

I apologize to all of ALH for having not been active on this site for so long and, as a result, not responded to any TGs requesting that I change my endorsements in some sort of way.

Not a problem Alevuss - anyone have any input on our new embassy request?

The Community Of Independent Nations seems like a good region to create an embassy with. I will agree to making embassies with them. However, Liberty Equality And Justice Coalition does not seem to be the sort we want to associate with. I will not support embassy creation with them.

Also, everyone give me your shares. They will be returned to you after 15 hours. XP

Help, I have been robbed of my IPO. 8058 shares have landed in the grubby pockets of arch-thief MBarry. A disgrace.

Hey guys, I do not know if you all remember me but I'm back and I just wanted to say hi to all you awesome liberals.

Hi Liberalious and everyone.

I remember you. Welcome back!

I'm sorry for inactivity. Please forgive me

Welcome back Verano and Goncar! Seems like we've had a bout of inactivity. Any good conversation topics?

Anyone have any predictions for the US presidential election? It's kind of sad that that's actually as much an international concern as a national one.

Obama takes it in a squeaker. It's 96 all over again, folks.

Hate to predict this, but Romney takes it. It's our first Citizens United election. The American people are dumber than dirt, the right knows this, which is why they bought the media, turned over our elections to corporations, and gave Republican governors the OK to suppress the vote in all the key states (PA, FL, OH, etc). I recently read "Pity the Billionaire" and "The Fox Effect"- there was a concerted effort by some very powerful corporate fascists to hijack our democracy after the 2008 election. Bush's Supreme Court appointees were the key, when they decided Citizens United. The Koch brothers and their ilk followed suit, with funding astroturf groups (i.e. teabaggers) to create faux outrage by peasants supporting their oppressors. Now they're flooding our elections with unlimited money to support their shills in their "election" bids.

We're basically done as a free country.

I have to say Obama takes it and then gets Slaughtered during his speech. Probably by the Al-Qaeda and then Joe Biden will take over as president

I feel like, as with Bush 2, the "don't change a horse midstream" mentality will win out, as the economy continues to improve over the next several months. But, I do think Zonniana's point is a scary possibility. If Romney does win, I just hope he gets it his way completely, so that when everything goes to crap over the next few years, conservatives and the wealthy are the only people to blame.

Spare me Biden please. I'm going with Derk on this one

Ok *rolls eyes* but it looks like a good possibility

I think Obama will squeeze through, although I very much concur with Zonniana's analysis. The reason why I give the nod to Obama is because Romney is the antithesis of consistency & charisma; the votes he is likely to get will be mostly protest votes against the Dems & Obama, rather than people who real want him as President, which doesn't really motivate people to go out to the polls. Though in all fairness, the Democratic base is nowhere as energized as in '08, as many young people and liberals think Obama has not done enough or gone far enough in carrying out his campaign promises or their 'liberal policies.'

That's my take on it, although I prefer Ron Paul to the both of them.

Quet interesting analyses. I am an European (from a very small country - Slovakia), so In fact I have no idea about the details of politics in USA. I can only say that the fact that the president of USA would be a mormon (if Romney won) - sounds really strange from european point of view ...

Ya. Just to let you all know, I will be your ambassador from Social Liberal Union for a second term and I hopefully for more

Surely to be tolerant is to also tolerate intolerance.

Ha ha, sorry. I'm talking about the region's World Factbook Entry.

O. Now I get it. I laugh

Welcome back Goncar we are happy to have a familiar face back! Thats interesting Tropicanas, I've traveled to Slovenia but never Slovakia. I'm from Boston so we're happy to have some Solvenian and Czech players on our hockey team!

Thank you Garchyland! I'm from Florida, the Sunshine State

I know - you have a captain Zdeno Chara in Boston Buins team - he is from Slovakia. And you won the Stanley Cup with him last Year !!! Well, this Year he was also s captain of the team Slovakia on the World Ice-Hockey Championship, where Slovakia won the silver medal (and Czech republic was bronze).

(NHL is popular also in our country, sometimes we have some matches also on TV, but they are often very late in the night - because of the different time zone ...)

Tropicanas - with Chara at 7 feet and 4 inches on skates he is highly intimidating an a great player! Last years Stanley Cup win was amazing, unfortunately this year we were knocked out too early :( I was watching some of the IIHF games earlier, I saw Sweden get wiped out which is good because I hate the Sedin twins!

Well, I have no idea why You hate the Sedin twins (I do not know them very well ...). But in fact, the team Sweden is playing a very nice a and good Ice Hockey. So I like them.

Except that, Sweden is a wonderful country and everybody is speaking a perfect English - better than me ;) - only problem may be that they like to be drunk (sometimes), so they have some kind of prohibition in Sweden (alcohol is very expensive and sold just in certain shops).

Btw. last Year the IIHF Championship took place in Bratislava and Kosice (I am from Kosice - You can check on google map if You like ... ;)

This years Stanley Cup is unfair to me. The Kings are AMAZING and the Devils are going back where they came from

I was surprised the Devils even got in! I don't really *hate* the Sedin twins, but we played the Canucks last year and they really trash talked a lot off Bruins players. One of them also bit a Bruins player which is unacceptable! I know the Bruins are a physical team, but at least we don't trash talk! I do love the country of Sweden, I've only been to Stockholm though.

The Lightning are my team. I'm a southerner, not red neck though

Not a word on the latest, greatest decision? This region should be ashamed.

What exactly is that decision

What is the endorsement policy? I need endorsements for my proposals in process of being written!

Thx!

I would be willing to help you endorse a proposal! I'm always willing to help those from my region!

Of course. Anyone is

I vote for our region's delegate, Garchyland, to vote in favor of the Security Council resolution presently at vote, "Repeal 'Liberate Benevolent Capitalism'".

Alevuss, the delegate doesn't vote in security council measures.

Thank you Derk - although we could work on adding it to the constitution if there's enough demand for it

As we might have to benefit from an SC liberate ourselves I would suggest that they would be worth attending to. The whole commend/condemn thing is best ignored in my opinion.

The Imperial Guard is interested in knowing if this region would be willing to merge with us? Any questions at all can be answered by me.

Pannau

Seems to me ALH best appreciates it's independent isolationism. We are most happy in small numbers living peacefully with those who share each others values - that's not fully up to me to decide though, so if anyone else has any input please feel free to speak now.

@ Derkomia. I'm aware of that, but I was unsure if that extended to repealing them.

Any interest in elections? I would love to see some interest in running from Derk or AlevUSA or any other veteran nations!

And RIP Smurth - just noticed :-(

MESSAGE FROM THE SOCIAL LIBERAL UNION:

Our WA Delegate election is over with Millyland beating our first delegate, Eggy216 by a small margin of 11-8. Thanks!

== MESSAGE FROM THE Social Liberal Union ==

Dear friends of the A Liberal Haven,

The SLU's ministerial approval-elections have ended, and the results are in. As such, the names of the Ministers and Deputy Ministers in the First [nation=short]Millyland[/nation] Administration of 2012 are now known.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs

(campaigned together)

[nation=shprt]Eggy216[/nation] (9-2), Minister (3rd term)

[nation=short]Grolsch[/nation] (2-9), Deputy Minister

Retiring Deputy: [nation=short]Cowardly Pacifists[/nation] (terms: 1 term in Cabinet)

Domestic Affairs

[nation=short]Avaerilon[/nation] (8-2), Minister (3rd term)

[nation=short]Azerzia[/nation] (2-8), Deputy Minister

Retiring Deputy: [nation=short]North American Republics[/nation] (terms: 2 terms in DA; still curently in Cabinet as Speaker of the Union)

Immigration

[nation=short]Gunir[/nation] (7-4), Minister

[nation=short]Comanici[/nation] (4-6), Deputy Minister

Retiring Minister: [nation=short]Grolsch[/nation] (terms: 2 full terms and 1 month in Imm; still curently in Cabinet as FA Deputy Minister)

Former Deputy Minister (retired during term): [nation=short]Daydreamtopia[/nation] (terms: 0.5 term in Imm; not currently in Cabinet)

Defence

[nation=short]Goncar[/nation] (9-0-0-0-1), Minister

[nation=short]Nytavuthar[/nation] (0-6-0-1-0), Deputy Minister

[nation=short]Braxil[/nation] (1-1-1-2-2)

[nation=short]Falling Skies[/nation] (0-2-5-1-0)

[nation=short]KIQUESLAVIA[/nation] (0-0-1-2-4)

Regards,

Central Goncar

Ambassador, Ministry of Foreign Affairs

SLU

We're falling like flies.

I just noticed that. Even Alevuss is gone (good thing he didn't win the elections I guess). What is there we can do?

Consider finding a region with which we can merge.

Congrats on being featured, friends.

Thanks everyone! Only took 5-6 years and our numbers to dwindle to be featured, but I'm proud :)

I'm pretty sure this is my 8th or 9th restoration.

Several members of the Social Liberal Union's government have seen the possible stated interest in a merger between your region and another active one. As a long time friend and partner of your region, we would wish to offer continued support to you. This could take the form of a merger, as was suggested, or some other form of support. We hope to continue a strong relationship between our member states, through whatever path you choose.

Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.