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I like the idea of setting up the polls to work on the decision process! It seems like a really nice way to make sure everyone can see the different options available.

Mutual Benefit wrote:Should we have a requirement for high civil liberties?

I don't think so. If some conservative governments want to be in a liberal region, then they should have the choice to do so. I'm not fond of restrictions. People should be able to self-determinate as long as it doesn't inhibit anyone else's ability to self-determinate.

EEP! *trips and falls down*

What's crackalackin peeps

Greetings people!

*sips tea*

All your tea belong to us!

Badgers Sett

Mutual Benefit wrote:How do delegate elections work? I'd like to run nevt time. I feel like the WA has been taking the wrong approach and infringing on people's rights.

Person with the most endorsements wins. Sometimes it's not a nation people like. Sometimes it's not a nation even from the region. Hi, I'm a raider, nice to meet you ;) We infringe on your rights.

Rai-Nyx 10, Auraian, Badgers Sett

Harenhime wrote:Person with the most endorsements wins. Sometimes it's not a nation people like. Sometimes it's not a nation even from the region. Hi, I'm a raider, nice to meet you ;) We infringe on your rights.

You look like a puppet.. *is suspicious*

The Westpacific wrote:You look like a puppet.. *is suspicious*

I bet his real name isn't even Harenhime

The Westpacific wrote:You look like a puppet.. *is suspicious*

Big accusation from coming from you...

>_>

<_<

In fact.. you all look like puppets!

Vity Timzalderklavil wrote:I bet his real name isn't even Harenhime

Actually I've always wondered if they are a princess.. with "hime" in the name..

What? Me, a puppet? What makes you think that?

*hides the other 39 Rai-Nyx puppets*

I'm totally unique.

The Unicorn Raid State wrote:Big accusation from coming from you...

>_>

<_<

In fact.. you all look like puppets!

Oh poppycock. This is obviously my main nation.

That's the only guy I believe...

The Unicorn Raid State wrote:That's the only guy I believe...

I mean, I think, secretly, all nations are puppets. We're all [violet], even Max Barry is really [v]. Can't you feel it in your soul, that you dont exist and all your nations are [v]'s puppets in their massive online game?

Rai-Nyx 10 wrote:I mean, I think, secretly, all nations are puppets. We're all [violet], even Max Barry is really [v]. Can't you feel it in your soul, that you dont exist and all your nations are [v]'s puppets in their massive online game?

Sometimes I think that NationStates is just a text-based nation simulator.

And then I laugh and go on praising Reppy and raiding regions. What could be more real than this?

Rai-Nyx 10, Badgers Sett

Vity Timzalderklavil wrote:Sometimes I think that NationStates is just a text-based nation simulator.

And then I laugh and go on praising Reppy and raiding regions. What could be more real than this?

The basic suffering that underlies all of existence.

I'll let you think about that for a second.

It's also know as raiders.

I just like answering issues.. Though some of them trick me with their fancy words.. like traps..

Well coordinated - although disruptive, it's a great marvel of NationStates. Commendation due to the raiders.

Rai-Nyx 10, Main Nation Amnesty, Tuntern

Garchyland wrote:Well coordinated - although disruptive, it's a great marvel of NationStates. Commendation due to the raiders.

Why, thank you!

Garchyland wrote:Well coordinated - although disruptive, it's a great marvel of NationStates. Commendation due to the raiders.

*fluffs out and clings to* I can sleep in your pocket tonight maybe?

Fellow creatures, what's the point?

The point? The point, my friend, is enlightenment. Do we not all seek the truth above all else? Are we not united in this? May your meditations be fruitful, and your journey a safe one.

Well that is very disappointing. This game was so much fun.

Friends - refuge can be sought in Philosophy 115.

In solidarity, Garchy

Refuge can also be sought in our sister region, Alh.

Are we being attacked? Why? What have we done to deserve this?

How long is this hold planning to last?

The Nor wrote:Are we being attacked? Why? What have we done to deserve this?

I doubt we have done anything - it is a bit of an honor, really, as we are a region that has longevity - if raiders want to pursue a raid of a region it tends to be because the region itself is notable enough for a raid (I hope).

I am personally not a raider (or defender). I don't personally find joy in raiding, but it is part of the game - and whether we like it or not, it has its place.

To the positive, it has spurned more activity in our region (certainly more than we've had lately).

To the negative, we certainly didn't ask for intervention - but I just hope the new residents will respect the native ALH'ers during their stay.

Main Nation Amnesty, The Unicorn Raid State

Garchyland wrote:How long is this hold planning to last?

Just buckle up and chat with us for a bit, then all will be normal again.

Main Nation Amnesty wrote:Just buckle up and chat with us for a bit, then all will be normal again.

Where do you all come from and who do you represent?

Garchyland wrote:Where do you all come from and who do you represent?

All the regions represented here are named in the WFE. The occupation is led by Europeia, and I'm personally with The Black Hawks.

Garchyland wrote:Friends - refuge can be sought in Philosophy 115.

In solidarity, Garchy

It's amazing how quickly after a raid the 'allies' look to poach members. Every single time, you think I'd get used to it after awhile.

Oh well.

Main Nation Amnesty

Rai-Nyx 10 wrote:It's amazing how quickly after a raid the 'allies' look to poach members. Every single time, you think I'd get used to it after awhile.

Oh well.

I'm the (former) delegate of the region, and urged my own residents to go to Philosophy 115 for time being, if they wished.

The Nor

I'm Vity from the Unicorn Raid Armada

Garchyland wrote:I'm the (former) delegate of the region, and urged my own residents to go to Philosophy 115 for time being, if they wished.

When natives leave the region, it just makes your long term security even weaker. I am of the Westest of Pacifics.

I'm a doomicorn.

Main Nation Amnesty wrote:When natives leave the region, it just makes your long term security even weaker. I am of the Westest of Pacifics.

No suppression on the RMB, helpful advice - are these nice raiders??

The Utopia Of United States, Main Nation Amnesty

Garchyland wrote:No suppression on the RMB, helpful advice - are these nice raiders??

Seems like it.

My former raider peeps aren't all bad. :)

Main Nation Amnesty

[nation=short]Garchyland[/nation], just watch out for that one raider that will eat your nation.

Garchyland, Rai-Nyx 10

Main Nation Amnesty wrote:[nation=short]Garchyland[/nation], just watch out for that one raider that will eat your nation.

OM NOM NOM

Are you new guys into polls?

We had a few of those and they were fun.

The Utopia Of United States

Who are all these right wing hillbillies?

Well, it was nice while it lasted.

I was wondering why there were so many messages on the RMB so I clicked it. I wish I hadn't. A Republican in charge of our region? This kind of goes against everything I stand for.

The Utopia Of United States

Main Nation Amnesty wrote:[nation=short]Garchyland[/nation], just watch out for that one raider that will eat your nation.

*stares* I need bigger puppets for that..

Main Nation Amnesty

SLAUGHTER EVERYONE!

There's no reason to be rude. People have fun and discuss interesting things. Then you fly in, shout over them and dismiss community officers that they endorsed. Do people enjoy this? Maybe there should be an age limit or something, for people who like casual discussions and light nation simulation.

Madolonihe

CRY SOME MORE, SOON-CORPSE!

Charlie's here to play

Garchyland wrote:No suppression on the RMB, helpful advice - are these nice raiders??

Pretty much yeah. Europeia follows the doctrine of Independence and has a code of ethics. Firstly, it means that we reject the R/D dichotomy and act only in the interests of Europeia and its foreign policy. In this case, we saw an opportunity to lead an operation with a number of allies and partners against a worthy target. Last week, we helped liberate a region with a different partner. We can not be tied down with simple labels like Raider or Defender. Also, we follow a code of ethics in our operations which is that we don't grief natives (ban and expel, RMB suppression, being uncommonly rude, and we do not occupy, conquer, or colonize regions). As such, the ERN is generally seen in a positive light since while we understand that being raided can be disruptive, it can also be a great way to learn something new about the game and communicate with people who you may have not come into contact with otherwise. So sit back, relax, enjoy a cocktail or too, and in a few years you can talk about the day that A Liberal Haven was under the oppressive dictatorial regime of the ERN, and smile. :)

Xandia Swift, The Utopia Of United States, Chronojet, Main Nation Amnesty, Shiraba, Vity Timzalderklavil, Valdr Army, The Westpacific, Badgers Sett, The Detroit Redwings

Did someone say cocktail?

[nation=short+noflag]come_on_defenders[/nation]! [nation=short+noflag]being_ejected_would_be_an_honor[/nation]! We are [nation=short+noflag]liberals_united_against_evil[/nation]! [nation=short+noflag]raiders_will_always_lose[/nation]! [nation=short+noflag]Never Endorse a Raider[/nation]! [nation=short+noflag]paul_ryan_is_a_doofus[/nation]! [nation=short+noflag]alh_forever[/nation]!!!!

Garchyland, Xandia Swift, Vity Timzalderklavil, Why Hello There Raiders

House Darrowmere wrote:Pretty much yeah. Europeia follows the doctrine of Independence and has a code of ethics. Firstly, it means that we reject the R/D dichotomy and act only in the interests of Europeia and its foreign policy. In this case, we saw an opportunity to lead an operation with a number of allies and partners against a worthy target. Last week, we helped liberate a region with a different partner. We can not be tied down with simple labels like Raider or Defender. Also, we follow a code of ethics in our operations which is that we don't grief natives (ban and expel, RMB suppression, being uncommonly rude, and we do not occupy, conquer, or colonize regions). As such, the ERN is generally seen in a positive light since while we understand that being raided can be disruptive, it can also be a great way to learn something new about the game and communicate with people who you may have not come into contact with otherwise. So sit back, relax, enjoy a cocktail or too, and in a few years you can talk about the day that A Liberal Haven was under the oppressive dictatorial regime of the ERN, and smile. :)

Isn't that rather lovely...

House Darrowmere, Valdr Army

House Darrowmere wrote:Pretty much yeah. Europeia follows the doctrine of Independence and has a code of ethics. Firstly, it means that we reject the R/D dichotomy and act only in the interests of Europeia and its foreign policy. In this case, we saw an opportunity to lead an operation with a number of allies and partners against a worthy target. Last week, we helped liberate a region with a different partner. We can not be tied down with simple labels like Raider or Defender. Also, we follow a code of ethics in our operations which is that we don't grief natives (ban and expel, RMB suppression, being uncommonly rude, and we do not occupy, conquer, or colonize regions). As such, the ERN is generally seen in a positive light since while we understand that being raided can be disruptive, it can also be a great way to learn something new about the game and communicate with people who you may have not come into contact with otherwise. So sit back, relax, enjoy a cocktail or too, and in a few years you can talk about the day that A Liberal Haven was under the oppressive dictatorial regime of the ERN, and smile. :)

Thanks, I wish other raiders were like this, there would be less controversy.

House Darrowmere, Valdr Army, Badgers Sett

The Utopia Of United States wrote:Thanks, I wish other raiders were like this, there would be less controversy.

Do not let their "hospitality" distract you from the fact that they are still raiders! They feel they have the right to just go and invade whichever region they please and sever all of our diplomatic ties and take control of our government! It's ridiculous! Raiders, you try to make yourselves feel better about what you've done by being "friendly," but you're still causing damage in places you have no right to be! You want to enjoy NS? Fine, but don't do it at other people's expense!

Why Hello There Raiders

Liberal Haven Moral Support wrote:Do not let their "hospitality" distract you from the fact that they are still raiders! They feel they have the right to just go and invade whichever region they please and sever all of our diplomatic ties and take control of our government! It's ridiculous! Raiders, you try to make yourselves feel better about what you've done by being "friendly," but you're still causing damage in places you have no right to be! You want to enjoy NS? Fine, but don't do it at other people's expense!

That is true, the raiders should withdraw soon or I'll start to get mad. These raiders, however, are only disrupting and not destroying our community, so they're a lot better than other raiders.

House Darrowmere, Liberal Haven Moral Support

All should resume normalcy within 13 hours. At that point we will password protect the region and come up with a plan for avoiding this in the future. Something I have been contemplating for a while is refounding the region, which would prevent this from happening again without us having to close our borders.

Maineiacs, The Utopia Of United States, Havatoke Islands, House Darrowmere, Liberal Haven Moral Support

You know what, I actually enjoy having more people here. They say the liberal man is too fair-minded to take his own side in a fight. ;)

Boreal Principalitys, Fluexa, The Utopia Of United States

Hello neighbors! How is everyone today? Any news of whats happening in the region?

Post self-deleted by The Utopia Of United States.

We hope you are successful in rebuilding your region, and that the scourge of Raiders shall never come your way again.

We are now returning to our home base. We will always remain in support of you.

--Members of Solidarity With The Raided, led by [nation=short]Why_Hello There Raiders[/nation]

Garchyland, The Utopia Of United States, Hocolesqua

Hmm...this isn't a very active region is it..

Fluexa wrote:Hello neighbors! How is everyone today? Any news of whats happening in the region?

Greetings, we are in the midst of a raid right now - but welcome to our region as we rebuild!

The Utopia Of United States

Fluexa wrote:Hmm...this isn't a very active region is it..

It isn't that active, but we've been raided really recently. We might get more active as we get new members from publicity from raiding. I'm a puppet of Freehand Newworldia from the SLU, and in my opinion that region (which you were in earlier) is a lot more active.

The Utopia Of United States wrote:It isn't that active, but we've been raided really recently. We might get more active as we get new members from publicity from raiding. I'm a puppet of Freehand Newworldia from the SLU, and in my opinion that region (which you were in earlier) is a lot more active.

This is true - this region is not as active as it once was, and I think we need new leadership to take it to that level. What I'm thinking is that we should refound A Liberal Haven with me as the Founder, and then hold elections to elect a WA delegate (who will also have executive power). This will provide us complete protection from a raid, as well as give another nation the opportunity to represent our region inter-regionally in the WA. Otherwise, the other option is that I retain the WA Delegate position, but that leaves us vulnerable to raids - or requires us to password protect the region, which doesn't seem friendly to those who want to join us for legitimate residency. Thoughts? Should we have a poll?

Xandia Swift, The Utopia Of United States

Garchyland wrote:This is true - this region is not as active as it once was, and I think we need new leadership to take it to that level. What I'm thinking is that we should refound A Liberal Haven with me as the Founder, and then hold elections to elect a WA delegate (who will also have executive power). This will provide us complete protection from a raid, as well as give another nation the opportunity to represent our region inter-regionally in the WA. Otherwise, the other option is that I retain the WA Delegate position, but that leaves us vulnerable to raids - or requires us to password protect the region, which doesn't seem friendly to those who want to join us for legitimate residency. Thoughts? Should we have a poll?

I like the refounding idea and I support doing a poll. Do you want to stay WA Delegate, because another longtime member could be the founder?

Garchyland wrote:This is true - this region is not as active as it once was, and I think we need new leadership to take it to that level. What I'm thinking is that we should refound A Liberal Haven with me as the Founder, and then hold elections to elect a WA delegate (who will also have executive power). This will provide us complete protection from a raid, as well as give another nation the opportunity to represent our region inter-regionally in the WA. Otherwise, the other option is that I retain the WA Delegate position, but that leaves us vulnerable to raids - or requires us to password protect the region, which doesn't seem friendly to those who want to join us for legitimate residency. Thoughts? Should we have a poll?

May I suggest that if you refound, you make the WA Delegate non-executive and appoint whoever the Delegate is another position like "president" with executive powers? That way, if invaders tried to take over, they couldn't do anything besides seize the Delegate position, and the real delegate would still be executive. I think your embassy region Forest is an example of this.

Oh, and I think I'll stay here for a while, if that's ok with you. It's nice here. :)

Garchyland, Xandia Swift, The Utopia Of United States

Garchyland wrote:This is true - this region is not as active as it once was, and I think we need new leadership to take it to that level. What I'm thinking is that we should refound A Liberal Haven with me as the Founder, and then hold elections to elect a WA delegate (who will also have executive power). This will provide us complete protection from a raid, as well as give another nation the opportunity to represent our region inter-regionally in the WA. Otherwise, the other option is that I retain the WA Delegate position, but that leaves us vulnerable to raids - or requires us to password protect the region, which doesn't seem friendly to those who want to join us for legitimate residency. Thoughts? Should we have a poll?

I support a refounding with a long-time ALH member as WA delegate.

The Utopia Of United States

Havatoke Islands wrote:I support a refounding with a long-time ALH member as WA delegate.

Yeah, that might not be a bad idea.

The Utopia Of United States

I would like to propose or suggest elections too, but that the candidates are to be those who have brought their nations the most prosperity in civil rights, economy and political rights. Also that elections be held every year the day of the founding of the ALH region.

To be a candidate a certain level of points would be earned by the candidates, to a maximum of 30 points? 10 points for world bench mark in any or all of the three categories; civil liberties, economy or political freedoms and on down the scale, superb 9 points etc. So those with 30 points would be first choice candidates, followed by those with 29 points etc.

In other words 10 points for world bench mark, 9 for superb, 8 for excellent and so on, and only those with a minimum of 28? points could be candidates then the electorate reads the description and attributes of the nation and decides on which to vote for. (They all have to be WA delegates too) and only those achieving a total score of 28, 29 and 30 points being able to be candidates. To a maximum of 5 candidates. Does this make sense?

Also if there are 4 candidates with 30 points and 6 with twenty nine, a preliminary election would take placed to select one of the 29 point candidates to run with the 30 pointers.

If there are six candidates with 30 points, elections would be held to pick one.

I'm not sure I'm explaining this right but if anyone thinks its a good idea to hold elections and determine qualifications for candidacy we welcome your input.

I think Garchyland should be founder and we hold elections for the other positions?

The Nor

Will we be re-opening an embassy with Gay, as well? As a straight ally to the LGBT+ movement, I certainly hope so.

The Utopia Of United States, The Nor

Maineiacs wrote:Will we be re-opening an embassy with Gay, as well? As a straight ally to the LGBT+ movement, I certainly hope so.

Of course - I accepted the embassy requests we already had, and will request our original embassies shortly. When/if we refound we will need to reopen embassies again.

Saint Thomas Sur Mer, The Utopia Of United States, The Nor

Xandia Swift wrote:I would like to propose or suggest elections too, but that the candidates are to be those who have brought their nations the most prosperity in civil rights, economy and political rights. Also that elections be held every year the day of the founding of the ALH region.

To be a candidate a certain level of points would be earned by the candidates, to a maximum of 30 points? 10 points for world bench mark in any or all of the three categories; civil liberties, economy or political freedoms and on down the scale, superb 9 points etc. So those with 30 points would be first choice candidates, followed by those with 29 points etc.

In other words 10 points for world bench mark, 9 for superb, 8 for excellent and so on, and only those with a minimum of 28? points could be candidates then the electorate reads the description and attributes of the nation and decides on which to vote for. (They all have to be WA delegates too) and only those achieving a total score of 28, 29 and 30 points being able to be candidates. To a maximum of 5 candidates. Does this make sense?

Also if there are 4 candidates with 30 points and 6 with twenty nine, a preliminary election would take placed to select one of the 29 point candidates to run with the 30 pointers.

If there are six candidates with 30 points, elections would be held to pick one.

I'm not sure I'm explaining this right but if anyone thinks its a good idea to hold elections and determine qualifications for candidacy we welcome your input.

I like the idea of having specific qualifications that align with our regions values, but I wonder if holding nations to points may reduce/inhibit those who may be qualified to be Delegate while not conforming to the points - if the nations values don't align with the region I highly doubt other nations would elect them in!

My biggest worry is residency requirements - many times I've seen nations very passionate about taking a forward role in the region, only to CTE (cease to exist) within a matter of months. Unfortunately I've seen this happen about 7 or 8 times - my biggest worry is our region electing a passionate, gung-ho nation with no experience (*ahem*, Trump) who will only disappear in a matter of months.

The Utopia Of United States

Poll for residents on refounding. If it makes it to the next round we can figure out whether Delegate should have Executive or Non-Executive powers.

The Utopia Of United States

Also, no puppets please. Keep it to one vote per resident player.

The Utopia Of United States

I may sound ignorant or maybe I missed something, but I'm wondering what's the advantage or disadvantage of refounding...I'm not too clear on that?? Can you explain?

But I still think a once a year elections could be fun for ALH. It may even get apathetic nations more involved and if someone holding a post CTE then a substitute could be elected by the region. (I'm talking about general posts not founder delegate post)

My only concern about elections is we now have 100 nations...I can almost envision 2 nations running for an election and one getting 2 votes and the other 3 lol but I still like the idea of holding elections (once a year or as often as necessary) I think it makes ALH more democratic!!

The Utopia Of United States

Xandia Swift wrote:I may sound ignorant or maybe I missed something, but I'm wondering what's the advantage or disadvantage of refounding...I'm not too clear on that?? Can you explain?

But I still think a once a year elections could be fun for ALH. It may even get apathetic nations more involved and if someone holding a post CTE then a substitute could be elected by the region. (I'm talking about general posts not founder delegate post)

My only concern about elections is we now have 100 nations...I can almost envision 2 nations running for an election and one getting 2 votes and the other 3 lol but I still like the idea of holding elections (once a year or as often as necessary) I think it makes ALH more democratic!!

The advantages of refounding are that we could have a founder and therefore we would not be in threat of being raided again, and that we could have 2 nations with lots of power in the region (the founder and the WA Delegate).

I love the idea of elections, and I think that having them as polls instead of on offsite forums will help turnout be better. I think that the population will decline for a while as most of the raiders and defenders clear out, but I think we still might end up with around 70 nations.

Xandia Swift

Excuse my previous post, I understand, I'm all for refounding, but I'm also for elections...

The Utopia Of United States

Xandia Swift wrote:Excuse my previous post, I understand, I'm all for refounding, but I'm also for elections...

I understood, cool.

As WA Delegate, every time I make a decision or change something (the World Factbook Entry, password protection, or eject someone) it used up some of my "regional influence". Larger tasks take more influence - booting a raider wouldn't cost much influence, but booting a longtime nation (such as Maineiacs) would cost most, if not all, of my influence - most nations would not even have the required amount of influence to boot nations of that population - the reason for this is to prevent a raider from coming in and ejecting every native nation from the region. The reason a founder is important in this scenario is because they exert to influence - at the first sign of trouble, or even if the WA Delegate does get replaced, the Founder can step in (if necessary) and fix things.

The Founder and WA Delegate can be the same person - if we have enough other qualified nations that are willing to run for Delegate I would prefer to see that, but if no one steps up I would consider running for re-election (in addition to retaining Founder duties).

Typo and confusing sentence above, it should read: "Founders do not require influence - at first sign of trouble ..."

Garchyland wrote:As WA Delegate, every time I make a decision or change something (the World Factbook Entry, password protection, or eject someone) it used up some of my "regional influence". Larger tasks take more influence - booting a raider wouldn't cost much influence, but booting a longtime nation (such as Maineiacs) would cost most, if not all, of my influence - most nations would not even have the required amount of influence to boot nations of that population - the reason for this is to prevent a raider from coming in and ejecting every native nation from the region. The reason a founder is important in this scenario is because they exert to influence - at the first sign of trouble, or even if the WA Delegate does get replaced, the Founder can step in (if necessary) and fix things.

The Founder and WA Delegate can be the same person - if we have enough other qualified nations that are willing to run for Delegate I would prefer to see that, but if no one steps up I would consider running for re-election (in addition to retaining Founder duties).

I certainly have the population for it, but I really embarrassed myself with not recognizing the threat that raider posed. I'm not certain I'm qualified.

Well i'm for elections, it's smomewhat sad that we need new region but if there are no other costs beside sentimental (and there aren't) I'm for it too.

And maybe someone should send telegrams to all residents to inform them about pool :)

The Utopia Of United States

Xandia Swift wrote:I may sound ignorant or maybe I missed something, but I'm wondering what's the advantage or disadvantage of refounding...I'm not too clear on that?? Can you explain?

I would also like to add another advantage of refounding. If you don't refound the region, you can never reopen your borders to let in new nations, due to the threat of raiders. Every time you let someone new in, you have to change the password just in case that person is a raider. Basically, if you choose not to refound ALH, your region will never grow because there will be very little people coming in due to the password.

Garchyland, Xandia Swift, The Utopia Of United States, Hocolesqua

We were occupied for our birthday (Aug. 7) - but happy 13th birthday, A Liberal Haven!

The Utopia Of United States

A warm welcome back from Forest! And Happy B-Day! We hope the upcoming refounding goes as smoothly as possible.

Garchyland

As your refounding looks like it will be going ahead, a couple of people with experience you could consult would be [nation=short]Forever_Fields[/nation] over in Hippy Haven. They know all too well of the pitfalls of refounding. Also [nation=short]Errinundera[/nation] in our region, who refounded us, though it's quite a while ago now. Main thing to bear in mind though, don't discuss any timings in public. (This is all assuming you are wanting to preserve the region name)

Garchyland, The Utopia Of United States

How's everyone doing? Any discussion/poll ideas?

Garchyland

Waiting for decision to be made.

The Utopia Of United States

So, how many Liberal Haven neighbors spend less/nothing on military because they are pacifist in national orientation, and how many just don't approve of standing armed forces in peacetime?

The Utopia Of United States

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Hocolesqua wrote:So, how many Liberal Haven neighbors spend less/nothing on military because they are pacifist in national orientation, and how many just don't approve of standing armed forces in peacetime?

I and my nation are pacifist. My nation tries to make no country ever want to attack us by using scaled-back foreign policy and diplomacy.

Hocolesqua

Eyana seeks the careful balance of preserving national sovereignty while simultaneously disarming. Every once in awhile someone goes and invades those islands out there and that's when we know to increase spending.

The Utopia Of United States, Hocolesqua

Hocolesqua wrote:So, how many Liberal Haven neighbors spend less/nothing on military because they are pacifist in national orientation, and how many just don't approve of standing armed forces in peacetime?

Standing armed forces might seem wasteful in peacetime but defense policy is made decades in advance of its necessity. There are conventional and non-conventional threats to a nation's security and a measure of credible power is vital to preserve a way of life worth living.

Mutual Benefit

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