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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations
Uhh..hey, right here...hello
Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Dragons Of Power, Kujawy
If you read also above your post, you'll basically see my argument in a nutshell, which also explains it. :/
You're right, this is an online nation simulator game that revolves around answering issues regarding your fake virtual nation and grouping up with other fake virtual nations in things called regions..I'm glad you're writing up essays on why I'm bad for clicking a few buttons and moving to a different virtual region man, but..like..I don't know. You're acting like by committing a crime by moving to a different fake virtual region I've literally committed mass murder
Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
Grabs popcorn in a rush and gets 3D glasses.
New Waldensia
I don't see how you can be confused about why I left on my main quite frankly
The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation
Federation of Communist Nations
Can't wait for this arc
New Waldensia, Gagium West Africa, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Han Scon
I know right... he's acting like you were the president of the US, but then went to Russia and then surrendered the US to Russia.
Washingtonian Republic, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
:scream:
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Fluvannia, Kujawy
Whats worng with that
UwU
Charleotopia
Thats exactly what happened
The Cot Corporation, Logon
By all accounts Gagium is guilty but Id argue hes more a victim of yet another irrational law passed by the Senate also COT I advise you do a bit of self reflection before criticizing Gag as only a few months ago you were begging us not to ban you for virtually the exact same offense
Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power
Actually, it was an executive order that's almost a year old, authored by a president shortly before he resigned and, er, left the for region that his order targeted. 😲
Liberated American Provinces, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Logon
Either way...my main point still stands
New Waldensia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
Absolutely, but the thing is, the government (i.e. Fluvannia) has said literally nothing on whether we're going to be banned or not or anything and has left people like Logon and COT to speak for the region, which is really irksome...Like, just a little bit of clarity from the gov or a DM from Fluvannia saying "This is what's going to happen since you're on the LCN discord and have a nation in the LCN" would go a long way to help some of us like me and Furby who are in a limbo waiting to see what the gov does.
Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Charleotopia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Pizo Cas
To be fair this is what happens when you make issues that should be private a big public fiasco...its almost like I warned against this
Gagium West Africa, Charleotopia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
The text literally says from the Senate smh. You should apologize and resign over such clownery.
Now in all seriousness can we stop arguing via RMB and act relatively mature?
New Waldensia, Fluvannia, Kujawy
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1360251
😳😎
Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power
Poor LCN
Holy Rhinish Islands, Logon
Nah.
Dragons Of Power
All this over a stupid year old law?
Washingtonian Republic, Gagium West Africa
Going to respond to Quebecshire here, as of course I lack the permissions to do so any more directly outside of telegrams.
I barely know you, and you know little to nothing of us. What makes our Consulate so immoral? What makes it so much more of a dictatorship than the FCN? Anything? Or is it that you simply cannot see beyond surface-level labels. Anyone who thinks Consuls are immune from accountability and limits has clearly no knowledge of our constitutions...
As a matter of fact I looked through your own constitution not five minutes before my previous comments, as I wanted to confirm what was and was not true out of what I had heard of your government's structure. While I did not accuse you of being a dictatorship, you can I am sure understand that I find something inherently flawed in an executive that chooses its own members (Art. Two, Sec. One, Subsec. III) and who serve "until their resignation or until they become unable to fill their position." (Art. Two, Sec. One, Subsec. IV) Unless your Constitution is horrendously out-of-date, this information is what I was criticizing. Yes, I noticed the later text regarding abstentions in your Council's affairs. I was not addressing that, rather the inherently cliquish measures by which your region's executive is chosen.
You say we've falsely accused the FCN of being a dictatorship, so let me choose my words carefully so nothing is muddled. The FCN is authoritarian and hostile to anyone who questions the narrative of the evil supposedly held in this region's jurisdictions. Toxic towards those who question it. And no, this is no false accusation. A region who bans people for harmless associations, either from the region itself or the Senate, without a trial, is authoritarian.
If it weren't a false accusation, I would have banned Gagium and Furbish Islands by now. However, because I desired to move with caution on this -- precisely because I question the government's power to ban people, much to what I can only assume is your surprise -- I had not done so. Personally, so far as I can tell, the only people who should actually be banned from our region and Discord are those within the LCN's government, and even by the same law that expels them, they can individually be whitelisted. Sadly, none of that same group seem to wish to earn a whitelisting, instead seeming content to sit on high horses in glass stables. And while I do not see the reason these two suddenly decided to associate with your region, despite having derided it not days before, should either of them, fully aware of the laws we have (and the common interpretation thereof, even if I think it's an overzealous one), so much as come to me beforehand and said "hey, I'd like to reach out to the LCN, can we make sure that's cool" -- I would have agreed! It is not as though I am ignorant of the value in informal diplomacy.
A region where it is seemingly acceptable to expel people from political parties for criticizing the justices.
I've seen rumors about this, though I can presume which party and which justice is being referred to. While I agree that response is inappropriate, parties have the freedom (ah yes, how authoritarian) to decide their membership policies.
A region where justice is handed down by one person, who also sat on the Senate and proposed a law to enact the ruling he would eventually make.
Anyone who thinks this decision was immune from criticism has clearly no knowledge of our discussions, to borrow a turn of phrase. Seriously though, this decision, even if legally valid, was not well-received. Your mole within our Senate may have missed broadcasting that discontent on his "security camera".
The Consulate and the Council have welcomed those who were once enemies, offering redemption and new beginnings to many.
You will hopefully forgive my bluntness when I point out this remark reeks of self-importance.
Your Presidents and your Senate have been hostile and hateful.
With varying degrees of justification, I would argue. Yet none have authorized the use of another region's Discord bots to destroy their server...if that act does not strike you as more hostile, then I frankly don't know what to tell you.
Make no mistake -- your region is viewed as a hostile one here with good reason, only strengthened in recent days by the actions of your operatives. It is not that we are banning nations for "going against the narrative", so to speak, it is that we must, for the sake of our region's survival, look with suspicion on any sudden affiliations with a region that has directly acted with hostility toward us before.
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As to Gagium, yes, I do owe you an apology. I was waiting to see the outcome of a number of different Senate votes, attempting to exhaust what options I had to keep you here before my hands were tied. I should have kept you apprised of that fact. I stand by my statement that if I was going to ban you, I simply would have (albeit with the proper explanation as required by law).
Viridus, Aeternitatia, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
RIP our first voluntary protectorate.
Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation, Logon
They are of course, welcome to make their bed where they see fit. I feel bad for them, though.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
No lie, the very first thing you should do as the new president of the FCN is to abolish the senate.
Dragons Of Power
Are you attempting to make me the Senate, Master Jedi?
Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Charleotopia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
Abolish the senate and the presidency and unleash a new era of anarchy.
Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Gagium West Africa, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
I feel bad for me as well.
New Waldensia, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Tazlaan, The Cot Corporation
Yo hows it goin
Viridus
Ive come back to nation states after about a year or two. Ive had a couple large nations who were involved in some regions associated with this one. From what I remember from last time I was here the LCn and Qubec were a bit of a nuisance and it appears that has not changed
New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power
K
Dragons Of Power
Our ability to self-create drama as a region
either.
Viridus, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
Haha jk I love the LCN
Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Trenado, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Aumburg
Dragons Of Power
allahu akbar
The Legion Of Mankind
the air smells like gunpowder now.
Aumburg
Oh sod off Gagium. Glad to know that me "speaking for region" (I'm just a Senator and Justice lmao, not President) is such a bad thing.
Holy Rhinish Islands
No, he has a point, I shouldn't have (unintentionally) kept him in the dark.
New Waldensia, Viridus, The Legion Of Mankind, Aumburg
My flag is lit since I made a custom one.
Viridus, Aumburg
Sod
New Waldensia
I don't see why you would leave unless it was either to escape or to meet SCI -- if it's either of those, my arguments stand all the stronger.
Ahem. I was "begging" (Not begging) for people to continue the investigation in to my suspected treason, and to let me provide suitable evidence that I wasn't treasonous. Once I eventually did provide evidence, I was cleared of treason (at least, to Gagium. I haven't shown the rest of the region yet) and Gagium saw a reason to unban me.
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The law passed wasn't "irrational". It was, at the time, the logical course of action. The LCN had been spying on us, and they were aware of an attack. So you can't be surprised that law was widely accepted. There have been attempts to remove it recently, but as you may or may not know (If I'm correct you're just some rando), the attempts failed democratically. In going against that democratic decision, Gagium was going against the will of the people -- the will of the people is something he has argued as being one of the FCN's greatest trump cards over his new region, the LCN.
Viridus
Hello all
New Waldensia, Viridus, The Cot Corporation
Hullo.
Tazlaan
Hello.
I heard from a Gagium that there is a role play for this region. Is it any fun?
The Cot Corporation
No surprise...
Yes, it is fun -- as long as you don't get in to a war with someone who has an autistic level of military knowledge (I have...). Currently the region is going through some trouble though so the RP will be on hold until tonight. If you join, I hope you have fun!
New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands, Tazlaan
Thanks! Hope you have fun too, man - in spite of the military might of autism.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
Bruh he literally said he was Ulrech
Viridus, Gagium West Africa, Fluvannia, Raeltis, Holy Rhinish Islands, Tazlaan, The Cot Corporation, Aumburg
So the same applites
Viridus, The Cot Corporation
shoot that should say applies
The Cot Corporation
First of all this is a puppet of Ulrech second of all regards of whether or not treason occurred you still joined and communicated with the LCN which if Im not mistaken was still forbidden so no didnt commit treason but neither did Gagium for doing virtually the same thing you did...I dont know if youre aware of this or not but the FCN has a tendency to either A) forget about laws they passed themselves or B) selectively enforce said laws and Gagium just so happened to get the short end of the stick here
New Waldensia, Gagium West Africa, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Aumburg
that is true.
i can't find the original post tho so i'll have to stick with that lmao
Viridus, Gagium West Africa
New Waldensia, Viridus, The Cot Corporation
Nah
Gagium West Africa
So this is how it will happen
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Fluvannia, Tazlaan
I feel like I just walked into a barn fire of political upheaval, lol. Not to make light of any current in-house issues, but theres no longer the founder, no vp, and its honestly dismaying. What plans, if any, are there for restructuring the hierarchy?
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, The Cot Corporation
Soon. Senate is waiting to go to vote likely one last time later today.
New Waldensia, Viridus, The Cot Corporation, Frack
There will be a restructure.
Its just a shame, there are people who think certain people should be above the law.
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
Well, Ulrech... good to see you again? That isn't the point so I'll cut to the chase. Gagium and I did very different things. I joined the LCN discord recklessly to try and get revenge for spying and being aware of an attack. Gagium joined the LCN entirely seriously because he was angry a bill he wanted to pass failed. Then he seriously moved his main, Gagium, to the LCN. If you look at them, they're by no means "virtually the same".
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Also, if you're of the belief Gagium was the only one who was noticed/cared about by the senate, you'd be wrong.
Viridus
The motive isnt really important in the regards to that law in particular....that being said I dont blame him for leaving given the circumstances and just like you rushed to conclusions in the LCN spying issue and joined their discord here you are once again rushing to conclusions and calling for Gagiums head...if an ex post facto law didnt in the FCN Id argue that if Gagium goes down you should suffer the same fate
Dragons Of Power
COT was banned and exiled from the region. Gagium was going to be removed from the Senate until he left the LCN server.
Viridus, Creeperopolis 2, The Cot Corporation
As I have stated, as far as the law covers, Gagium would not be banned from the region/server under SB-11-06.
There's been talk of an executive order that bans all contact between the two regions, but as it was issued on the previous Discord server (destroyed under the aegis of a certain region, ironically enough), I find that hard to enforce when the text itself is unclear.
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation, Logon
I told myself I wasn't going to say anything else on this RMB but this post has me really, really ticked off. First of all, the executive order is right here, on this RMB:
Secondly, has this region not used this executive order to ban San Carlos Islands and Aglonia since the server was destroyed? You're just backpedalling and poorly attempting damage control.
And for the part that has me mad:
Could you straight up stop lying? The fact that nobody in this region wishes to correct such myths and is fine letting people believe this to aid their narrative is a concerning level of dishonesty.
Doge Republics destroyed your server on December 17th I believe. Doge Republics was dismissed both from the Council of the Republic as Director of the LCNIA on December 16th. He was banned from the server prior for repeat rule violations. He had no affiliation to the LCN government at the time of the attack. Even if he had, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE LCN SPONSORED OR AUTHORIZED THE ATTACK, because we didn't.
Come up with some better propaganda.
Washingtonian Republic, Dragons Of Power
Uwu apologize and resign for me.
Real talk though, you did spy on us which was not bueno.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
We did spy, yes. Nobody is denying that.
But there are the important distinctions in that the spying was concluded by the time of the attack and in that we did not authorize nor sponsor the attack.
EDIT: You also say "us" as if the spying didn't end over a month before you joined the FCN.
Washingtonian Republic, Dragons Of Power
So...are you advocating I ignore the EO and override the laws of our region like some sort of authoritarian, or advocating I follow the EO and ban Gagium so you can point and cry Authoritarianism? Make up your mind already.
Secondly, has this region not used this executive order to ban San Carlos Islands and Aglonia since the server was destroyed? You're just backpedalling and poorly attempting damage control.
Aglonia was actually banned for conspiring with a foreign region in an attempt to sway a presidential election, which is an event where people exercise their right to self-determination, for the unaware. For someone who claims others are ignorant of his region's mechanisms, you seem to do an awful lot of projecting.
And for the part that has me mad:
I've angered a self-important, paternalistic teenager on the Internet? How will I ever survive? People will make you mad sometimes. Heaven help those around you if you don't learn to deal with it soon.
Could you straight up stop lying? The fact that nobody in this region wishes to correct such myths and is fine letting people believe this to aid their narrative is a concerning level of dishonesty. Doge Republics destroyed your server on December 17th I believe. Doge Republics was dismissed both from the Council of the Republic as Director of the LCNIA on December 16th. He was banned from the server prior for repeat rule violations. He had no affiliation to the LCN government at the time of the attack. Even if he had, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE LCN SPONSORED OR AUTHORIZED THE ATTACK, because we didn't. Come up with some better propaganda.
I seem to recall similar denials of the spying only for you to finally own up to it, so forgive me for not buying into the claims that the LCN authorized the attack.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Raeltis, Holy Rhinish Islands
https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-andy-dwyer-chris-pratt-jaw-drop-shocked-gif-4421172
Viridus, Fluvannia
No, he's referring to Aglonia's ban by Bastion for joining the LCN discord that you approved as a justice I believe - Aggy was still on that ban until I pardoned him..This doesn't address SCI's ban at all
The Conservative States Of New America, Washingtonian Republic, Dragons Of Power
The MDA be kinda authoritarian
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
Damn, they got to you guys fast. :sadcowboydabs:
Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
At least from our court channel:
"As Viridus ... and I noted on the roleplay server, Aggy's ban flew under the radar on us a bit with everything else that was going on at the time. That said, the Executive Order that banned him stated it was only in effect for one week, after which it self-repealed. So at this point in time -- and given that the President who issued the EO is no longer in the region -- the point is essentially moot.
Gagium has asked about the legality of the first time Aglonia was banned but I'm not seeing another such instance in the server's history, so until he can provide further details I don't have another ban to even consider, much less rule on."
Edit: So it wasn't really approval, more...acknowledgement that the period it was in effect, right or wrong, was over, and we couldn't even admonish the person that passed it were it an overreach.
Viridus, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power
Post self-deleted by The Legion Of Mankind.
No we were always that
Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power
I mean how do you expect how I have stayed in power for...... about 2 years now and...... only my friends are in Officer positions
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power
Do what you want bud, but stand by it. You're avoiding the decision by going "oh, well we don't have the text." Do what you think is the right thing to do, you're President, not me. It looks like your hands are tied between enforcing an authoritarian law and ignoring the law. That's your problem.
Nice jab, but we have monthly Council nominations and electoral confirmation. Also, see Gagium's post.
Dang bro, that really reads like something Okasian would say. Just because I'm not going to take libel without calling it out doesn't mean I can't "deal with" people making me mad, lol.
But like, do you have proof?
Because I can pull statements from as far back as January 26th/27th in which I disclose the spying publicly. And is there an ounce of proof that we authorized the attack? Or can you just declare us guilty with no evidence? Pretty characteristic of an authoritarian.
Creeperopolis 2
As a matter of fact, at the time, no, I did not have the text. Now I do, and I support getting rid of that law (something that will be happening shortly).
Nice jab, but we have monthly Council nominations and electoral confirmation. Also, see Gagium's post.
I was referring to your highest executive, a triumvirate that as previously noted, selects its own members. You can't have forgotten yesterday already, though you apparently missed where I addressed Gagium's post above, so...
Dang bro, that really reads like something Okasian would say. Just because I'm not going to take libel without calling it out doesn't mean I can't "deal with" people making me mad, lol.
One, comparing me to Okasian is a neutral statement as far as I'm concerned. Two, libel would require my statements to be untrue.
But like, do you have proof? Because I can pull statements from as far back as January 26th/27th in which I disclose the spying publicly. And is there an ounce of proof that we authorized the attack? Or can you just declare us guilty with no evidence? Pretty characteristic of an authoritarian.
As I am not privy to your server's innermost channels, no, I don't (well, not enough anyway), nor do I expect you to self-incriminate.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
It should be noted that an enemy nation using a puppet account based in a region with which we have an embassy in order to circumvent our lack of embassy with their main region is held to be in violation of Article IV, Section XV of the FCN Constitution. Previous posts will be left to stand as a mark of shame upon the belligerent who posted them.
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Charleotopia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, Kujawy
Post by The Conservative States Of New America suppressed by Fluvannia.
The notion that we attacked, or authorized the attack of the server is untrue, thus, libel.
Ah so you know how to enforce your own laws when you want to... got it. At least you're confronting the situation here. Anyway, I'm out, kinda surprised I made it this far. Byeee.
Washingtonian Republic
:scream:
Viridus, Gagium West Africa, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind
Okay authoritarian
Washingtonian Republic, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
They say it be kinda like it is, and it do.
Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
I think Quebecshire here is of the opinion that because he acknowledged the spying in a speech, it's okay... what a stupid view. You know, Hitler talked about the Holocaust a lot... and that doesn't make it any better or any less real. If you're going to come over here, at least come here to apologise. Just because the past is the past doesn't mean the past doesn't affect the present.
Viridus, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands
As I have stated, I am more than supportive of trying to bury the hatchet. It's a hell of a lot easier to just acknowledge that the other region exists, leave each other alone, maybe even crack a joke in mutual servers like MDA or NWE. But when regions send people to our Discord and our RMB to harass us and spam government offices (or tacitly condone it by looking the other way)...that makes it pretty hard to want to forgive and forget, you know?
New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
apologize*
Viridus, Fluvannia, The Cot Corporation
That's why I marked it as "sic".
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
Didn't catch that. Cheeky.
Viridus, Fluvannia
LMAO Quebecshire said I compared him to Hitler. B*tch you ever heard of an example? You display such a blatant ignorance for such simple things I'm starting to believe you're doing it on purpose... oh wait.
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
Alright, take a second and inhale. Yes, he's overstating the degree to which you've contrasted them, no reason to stoop to his level though.
Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
Fine fine. i'd also just like to point out to him that I had metaphors on the brain from having an argument off-NS so I accidentally used the word. What i meant was example, which it has been changed to. Sorry for the inconvenience, Quebecshire
Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
So can we reach 2000 pages before this dies?
New Waldensia, Viridus, Trenado, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation
That's a lot of spam...
This just means we get to do milestones over!
New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
YES
Dragons Of Power
#ROADTO2000
New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
The MDA will assist if needed be, lots of RMB pages and getting many are our specialty.
Viridus, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands
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