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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations
Imagine Driving.
Gagium
My crimes from 2019:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Holy Rhinish Islands
I have never seen such a criminal action.
Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, The New Christian Empire, Scaffodin
Furby's 2019 FCN Crimes:
Bribery (1)
Breaching Residential Rights (~6)
Gross Incompetence (365)
Viridus, Gagium, Freethinkers
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
Vote for RPP (or else, I'll, uh, unendorse you)
Gagium
Let's not forget #listgate. The President released a list of Senators and the reason why he wouldn't want them in a cabinet or justice role.
The last Justice was nominated on the wording, "best of a bad bunch" or something to that measure.
He failed to actually know anything about said senators and choose to insult them instead of realising there was a lot of talent on the list he dismissed simply as the President chose his own self interest over the benefit of the FCN.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Mietkael, Holy Rhinish Islands, Scaffodin
Ok
Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
He appointed someone from said list...and youre claiming he acted in his own self interest....hmmmmm interesting
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Holy Rhinish Islands
https://youtu.be/sthVmGSFwhQ
Hmmmmmmmm
Viridus, Gagium
If you read his message youd see that he acknowledged that in his argument
Viridus, West Phoenicia, Holy Rhinish Islands
oof
Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
You haven't smuggled a knife greater than 3 inches into your state capitol?
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
smh, What a rookie
Gagium
[Strike]You haven't packed a Glock into a theater?
#iaintgonnabeasittingduck #itsnotillegalthough
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium
Okay abnormal person
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands, Scaffodin
Gagium
Whose ready for war!!!
Viridus, Gagium
Noone:
COT:
"13 16' guns"
Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, Scaffodin
*16"
16 feet is much different.
Unless he means 16 foot guns, then I look like a total dumbbutt, but that's not what I picked up in the disc today.
Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, The Cot Corporation, Scaffodin
Oof I meant 16 inch
Viridus, Gagium
Mormon Gang here. Im glad for anyone who sees the need for spirituality, I wish you well in your studies.
#DezNat
Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, The New Christian Empire
Sixteen inch. I might have written feet though lemme check...
Viridus, Gagium
I meant that the ship has 13 of the 16 inch guns
Viridus, Gagium
16' guns are bad, see the discord for Gagium's takedown of your equipment.
Basically, unless you send detailed and sensible technical drawings to Gagium, he's going to retcon that thing.
Viridus, Gagium
Where on the discord? I'm bored and want to read it?
Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Gagium I saw you like it, where is it?
Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
It is on the roleplay server
Viridus
#MormonGang
Alt-Libertarian Columbia
I'm pleased to announce that the FCN Republican Party has been officially launched!
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=san_carlos_islands_capital_territory/detail=factbook/id=1302183
We are the region's newest political party founded on the basis of providing solutions to problems, foreign and domestic; not faux populism or unrealistic ideas that cause more problems than people necessarily like to recognize. We're dedicated to a sane and pragmatic way of governing, defending and expanding the institution of democracy, defending civil rights and individual liberties while combating authoritarianism, increasing participation in the world assembly, expanding the FCN's role in interregional affairs, and maintaining a strong military presence.
Telegram San Carlos Islands to join.
Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, Gagium, Mietkael
Seems interesting!
Gagium
Thank you!
I just thought the upcoming elections were about time to hold the other parties which lack a cohesive agenda and expect to win votes based solely off of name-recognition accountable.
Washingtonian Republic, Gagium, Freethinkers
Imagine being in a party that is not recognized
Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
Imagine having to merge with another party to become relevant
Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Mietkael
Also imagine having Rhiney as your partys presidential candidate
Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium
Imagine being the reincarnation of L&O.
Furbish Islands, Gagium
Pretty sure they're a merger of three parties.
This
Ulrech, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Mietkael
I don't think your party has to imagine that :sadcowboydabs:
Ulrech, New Waldensia, Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
Despacito
Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
Better than a president who has achieved 0 out of his 6 major campaign promises.
EDIT: However I am working with President Furbish to try and achieve one of his 6. Just up to the Senate.
Gagium, New Inglaterra
Rhiney he made it one step further than I believe youll make it....he actually got elected
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Mietkael, Holy Rhinish Islands
With puppets.
Viridus, Gagium, New Inglaterra
Ahh...there it is
Viridus, Gagium
/s if you didn't notice.
Gagium
translation: r/wosh cring normie
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
twanswation: w/wosh cwing nowmie.
Gagium
How big is the Federation RP map, in terms of a scale?
Like, on a map of Earth, there's a scale which tells you that the Earth is 25,000 miles across (indirectly), so how big is the RP map?
Huvakia, Gagium
the earth
Viridus
K
Gagium
Also in the RP we arrived in your nation on January the first, can you greet us at the airport for the meeting?
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1302261
For Non-Senators, here's some really important news.
Viridus, Gagium
You just posted cringe
UwU
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium
New Waldensia Jumping from party to party even though he knows his home is The Conservative Party
Come home mate, come home :P
Ulrech, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
I'm still pretty new here and don't really know what's happening. But I'm not very active either
Gagium
Just a thought, anything more than 10 senators is excessive for a region of this size
Gagium
The Case Against Impeachment
by San Carlos Islands on 3 January 2020
San Carlos Islands is currently an Associate Justice on the Supreme Court and a Republican Senator; formerly he's served as President from October 2017 to January 2018 and Senate Speaker from January 2018 to July 2018.
Overall, it's not too hard to see what the motives of the impeachment process to oust President Furbish Islands are; they're driven by political gain and personal vendetta. Simply because some people have a problem with this President's "crude sense of humor", "immaturity", "laziness", "forgetting of campaign promises", or "failure to effectively carry out eh office of President" they have felt the need to impeach him, and thus, have indicted him with bogus charges such as "corruption" or "admin abuse" in order to hide the real motivation of this legal coup.
While many of these critiques of the President may be true, none of them are reason to fabricate a faux impeachment process. Furthermore, the way in which certain Senators are carrying out this process is not only misleading, subversive, and unethical; it's worse than anything the President has done within his tenure.
Looking at the first article of impeachment, the President's so called "Corruption." The corrupt practice at hand actually involves my confirmation as Associate Justice. To provide some context toward this bitter nomination process, the vote was close and multiple individuals including the President were involved in some shady dealings. After I was narrowly confirmed, recognizing these dealings and wanting nothing like that to happen to anyone ever again, I introduced the most extensive Anti-Corruption legislation in regional history which passed with extensive support.
This is where we run into the main problem with this article. Pro-impeachment Senators are trying to turn this Anti-Corruption code into an ex post facto law. Even Furby did participate in a corrupt practice during this process, the bill that made said practice illegal was passed after the fact. Thus, impeachment on this charge would be unfair because at the time, corruption or not, the President did nothing illegal.
This has caused some concerns with the lack of protection from ex post facto laws in the Constitution, which I'm proud to say is being addressed by the Senate. However, allowing the President to be impeached ex post facto sets a terrible precedent and deprives him of his civil rights. Impeachment must be failed to prevent this from happening; Senators who fail to give the President the benefit of the doubt by voting against impeachment yet still vote for the ex post facto amendment are hypocritical.
Looking at the second article of impeachment, "Admin abuse" conducted by the President. Unfortunately, the President has made some questionable decisions concerning the regional discord, I do not support actions undertaken by him such as the removal of Discord server members for no reason whatsoever. However, this is more so a mark on the President's character and not an example of breaking the law.
Pro-impeachment Senators claim that his Discord bans were against Article I Clause III of the Constitution. However, what proponents of impeachment won't tell you is that within this article they blatantly misquoted the Constitution, changing the exact translation: "No nation may be banned nor ejected by a government official without reason stated on the RMB by said government official." to their version: "that all bans and kicks must be followed by a reason on the RMB, of which Mr. Furbish has provided none." The constitution implies that this article only apples to the physical region by using the therm "eject", not the discord or any other platform for that matter.
Furthermore, all you have to do is look at the precedent to see my last point. We have precedent of listing reasons for ejections on the RMB, they're not too hard to find; however, there is zero precedent of mods stating reasons for discord bans. Thus, because of this, the President's lack of reason for these bans was legal and has no conflict with the constitution.
Pro-impeachment Senators know that, that's why they changed the wording. They seek to twist things in order to remove this President from office. It's unethical, is a lie, and it's another reason why this impeachment push needs to be failed.
I want those who support this President to admit that they want this president gone for illegitimate reasons; despite the harms, despite the number of lies. What they're trying to pull of is unfair and highly problematic. If the President gets impeached, people are going to look back on this process and use it to justify more bogus impeachments in the future. If we stand up to this, it's going to be an example of when not to impeach and make individuals think before using one of the most consequential tools in the Senate's arsenal.
Besides, the election in in twelve days, the Conservative primaries are even sooner. If you really don't like this President, show that at the ballot box, not in the Senate. That's the reason why this region is a democracy, so we can kick ineffective leaders who don't properly represent the region out of office in the most democratic way possible. It's been the FCN way since our foundation.
Ulrech, Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Gagium, Mietkael
You wanna know what else is unethical? The way you got into office.
Through corruption, and bribery, you gained power through Furby, and it is clear you seek to defend him based on political favors. Unethical behavior. Purely unethical behavior of you. You claim we seek to impeach based on political bias, when in fact you are clearly against the impeachment because of political bias.
Gagium, West Phoenicia, The National Populist Party
For the record, I agree with every word of this. 👍, San Carlos Islands.
Furbish Islands, Gagium, Mietkael
:thonk:
I didn't even know any of this happened until two days ago, the fact that it did is highly unfortunate. Like, I'm happy to turn over DMs to prove that. It was my belief Rhiney flipped because of my campaigning, not Furby. Also note that I've been opposed to most of Furby's policy until this unfair impeachment happened.
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Perhaps so but it means nought. Furby has wrongfully committed crimes and Rhiney has rightfully pressed impeachment charges. I see no other way about this.
I'm not politically biased, either. I have no affiliation towards any political party, and I wholeheartedly agree with the decision to impeach.
Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, New Inglaterra, Holy Rhinish Islands, The National Populist Party
Post self-deleted by The National Populist Party.
You know that talking point doesn't work out. Again, it's unfortunate it happened. However; I never knew about this as I've said, furthermore the fact that corruption is ex post facto doesn't concern me at all, nor does the Discord bans.
Also, stop hiding behind the party account.
edit: Deleted the post, huh?
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Yes I deleted the post because I acidentally made it from the party account, not my main nation. Don't act so smug.
Anyways, as I was saying, we cannot trust you here. You're at the center of the corruption charge. The respectful thing for you to do is to abstain from the vote.
Gagium, Greater Bastion
[Quote]After I was narrowly confirmed, recognizing these dealings and wanting nothing like that to happen to anyone ever again, I introduced the most extensive Anti-Corruption legislation in regional history which passed with extensive support.[/quote]
Yet you recognized it as shady dealings in the pursuit that got you confirmed. You assumed the position of Associate Justice via bribery attempts. (Even though you say you were unaware. Hard to prove but i will give you the bebefit of the doubt) That's unethical.
An honest person would suggest a revote and a sharp rebuke of the President who did it.
As one of the FCN Republicans tenents is Anti-Corruption, one hopes you will follow through.
Gagium
Interesting
Gagium
Shady dealings via DMs are my specialty
New Waldensia, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
Post self-deleted by Greater Bastion.
G A N G G A N G
Gagium
Lol moment
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium
FCN Republicans . . . more like Big PP
Viridus, Gagium, San Carlos Islands
This is actually not true. All my votes were kosher except one, Holy Rhinish Islands who claims I convinced him with my last minute campaigning.
This surrounds him not me. If I was the reason I changed his vote, good on him, good on me. If it was Furby, I would suggest doing that, however we should recognize that he to participated in corruption.
Ulrech, Viridus, Gagium
I second this. I do not believe that Mr. Carlos should need to give up his government position because of Mr. Furbish's Bribes.
Viridus, Gagium
Hello!
Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
No no, he's actually correct. Unless what your saying is true. Did you change because of me or Furby?
Gagium
Hello Zuch! Good Morning!
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium
Mornin'
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
Good afternoon! Glad to make your aquaintance!
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
I changed because I wanted to give SCI another shot; the day of the 25th he told me that he was excited to take the position of Justice, but he didn't have the votes. I have also been in a similar position, in which my bout for I think it was Justice during RCS's term was shot down almost immediately by the Senate. That shooting-down resulted in me getting a job as RCS's Vice President, which doesn't need Senate Confirmation. I don't want that to happen to anyone else; it's just cruel to the person who wants a job.
I do believe that SCI has done a great job as justice and, if elected, he'd definitely retain his position.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, San Carlos Islands
if you dont stop arguing politics im going to eat you all
Zuch, Viridus, Gagium, The Cot Corporation
I'm sorry, it's what happens when you're a part of the highest body of citizens in the region, making laws to govern them.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
It needs to be taken to the discord. I made that long post here as to inform non-senators, however some people took that as a queue to also debate it here.
Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Why shall it be taken to the discord? The people who are unfortunate enough to not be on the discord nor in the World Assembly should have the right to know what's going on within their government!
Laurel, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium
no
if you aren't on the discord you don't have the right to do anything
Viridus, Gagium
Whaddya mean you still have your Article I rights per the FCN Constitution, and definitely deserve a right to know what goes on within their government!
This mindset is what will eventually kill the FCN; it's a NationStates region, not a Discord region. President Furbish suggested moving the Government to NationStates, and I'm not necessarily against that, I think it's a great idea to get more people involved.
If you look at the last election, 23-25, so 48 people legally voted. Of which 31 people were in the WA and could have therefore been in the Senate. Sure, these numbers will change, and I do not recall the precise amount of Senators in the Senate on October 15th, but we currently have 24. If you take a look at the WA status of people in this region we have exactly 101 WAers. That means we only have around 20% of WAers in the Discord and Senate, and around 66% of WAers that were voting in October's elections, making them somewhat active.
If we could move the Senate to NationStates it could make the region explode in Senator numbers, so large that we'd probably make it an Elected office. With 101 WAers and what we probably have a perfect balance at 24 Senators, it seems very probable to me that a move to NationStates could benefit the region's Legislature.
How this move would be executed is out of my knowledge. The ideas were all destroyed when the Discord was, but I do remember an idea being tossed around of a Senate Region in NationStates. What this means? I know not. However, if we could figure out how, the move to NationStates would definitely benefit the region.
New Waldensia, Gagium
Youve joined the Nuance Council? King Viridus can confirm?
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
too long, didn't read
make it shorter, boomer
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, The Cot Corporation
Ok zoomer.
Move to NS good. How? Don't know.
Viridus, Gagium
I like the idea of the senate and thread discussions being on NationStates. Discord is trashy, as that recent attack proved.
Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
And elections should be limited to WA members so we can verify they're not puppets.
Huvakia, Gagium
Okay
Gagium
Also, for everyone, I was a step ahead of you on blaming Doge Republics for the raid. The evidence is now undeniable.
Gagium
Well yes but no
New Waldensia, Viridus
Not actually tho.
Gagium, LCN, and Furbish had it all gotten (maybe NW too, unsure) the morning of the attack.
Gagium
He also raided Captain Lard's server, in the same style as of our raid.
Gagium
Yes.
I am saying you are NOT the first person to realize this. Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, Mr. Delegate, and Mr. Quebec had all got you beaten on that front.
The Conservative States Of New America, New Waldensia, Gagium
But I was also blaming Doge Republics for the raid on our discord.
Gagium
Also, for everyone, I was a step ahead of you on blaming Doge Republics for the raid. The evidence is now undeniable.
-Gladesville 2020
I'm saying you're wrong.
Gagium
The raid on our discord
Gagium
Yes.
You were not a step ahead of ANYBODY.
Gagium
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