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Liberated American Provinces wrote:I'll raise you one. God doesn't exist. Change my mind.

...I can't, but the spirit can. What evidence would present to you there is no God? The testimony of the human races presents there is a God for all throughout history have been moved to find him.

Emerisis wrote:There is proof of God committing at least one sin

Two actually, but my sources come from the Book of Abraham. Is it a sin though against an eternal law or is it a transgression of a temporary law

Gagium

Aglonia wrote:...I can't, but the spirit can. What evidence would present to you there is no God? The testimony of the human races presents there is a God for all throughout history have been moved to find him.

Just because people needed an explanation for why everything exists is not proof that there is a god.

Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Just because people needed an explanation for why everything exists is not proof that there is a god.

It is built into us though it isn't an explanation. We have a divine nature that causes us to look towards God. Point me to any scientific fact, you are pointing towards God. Life on Earth is amazingly complex, but it needed stability. Earth is in the perfect location for life. It developed a System of self-regulation so that life could thrive at particular points. How can you not see the hand of divinity in these designs?

Viridus, Gagium

Aglonia wrote:It is built into us though it isn't an explanation. We have a divine nature that causes us to look towards God. Point me to any scientific fact, you are pointing towards God. Life on Earth is amazingly complex, but it needed stability. Earth is in the perfect location for life. It developed a System of self-regulation so that life could thrive at particular points. How can you not see the hand of divinity in these designs?

Because it isn't there?

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Greater Bastion

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/disbelieve-it-or-not-ancient-history-suggests-that-atheism-is-as-natural-to-humans-as-religion

Gagium, Greater Bastion

Aglonia wrote:It is built into us though it isn't an explanation. We have a divine nature that causes us to look towards God. Point me to any scientific fact, you are pointing towards God. Life on Earth is amazingly complex, but it needed stability. Earth is in the perfect location for life. It developed a System of self-regulation so that life could thrive at particular points. How can you not see the hand of divinity in these designs?

We are orbiting but one of billions of stars in the universe. The fact that life exists on Earth is simply a product of chance.

Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands

I don't care what anyone says I'm gonna believe in Jesus

Huvakia, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, The Cot Corporation, The Sladerstan

Post self-deleted by Aglonia.

The absolute complexity of life and the requirements to sustain it did not happen by chance. Just look at how DNA can repair itself. That isn't chance it is intelligent design. And what about the law that matter can neither be created or destroyed? The Big Bang Theory does not address that issue.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis, Aglonia, The Sladerstan

Aglonia wrote:I carry no sin nature. I am a divine being, as are you and everyone else. The nature that we have is a divine nature. I sin yes, but sinning does not mean we were born sinners. We are spritual children of God. Does God beget sinners?

We are not divine, only God is.

Liberated American Provinces wrote:God is not omnibenevelont. Change my mind.

Every good thing comes from God, but He does let people go to hell, so He isn't good to them but hey, He's God, not us.

Aglonia wrote:He isn't all good? Depends on what you mean?

If you mean God has the potential to sin, then yes.

If you mean God does sin, then no.

However God is not Omnipresent, Omniscient nor Omnipotent. Change my mind.

He is all of those things and more, He is also omnitemporal, meaning, He exists across all of time simultaneously.

Emerisis wrote:There is proof of God committing at least one sin

Prove it.

Emerisis wrote:I don't care what anyone says I'm gonna believe in Jesus

It's hard for me to find rest in Jesus because I am restless and I feel like I gotta do more than simply believe to be saved... Which I know isn't true. I'm, in a way, trapped in a work's salvation mindset.

Liberated American Provinces wrote:We are orbiting but one of billions of stars in the universe. The fact that life exists on Earth is simply a product of chance.

But the fact that life exists in such harmony is extremely hard to just attribute to "chance".

New Waldensia, Gagium

The existence of life itself is proof of Intelligent Design. Something that is nonliving can not become life. Life can not just be formed from things without life. That isn't possible. I can not make a rock into a living thing. That isn't scientifically possible. No amount of elements, energy, or gases can make that happen.

Viridus, Gagium, The Sladerstan

The Sladerstan wrote:-Snip-

We are the literal children of God. We are partakers in his divine nature. The scriptures themselves tell us that we are God's and children of the most high. How else can be be co-heirs with Christ without partaking equally in godhood.

Gagium

Aglonia wrote:The existence of life itself is proof of Intelligent Design. Something that is nonliving can not become life. Life can not just be formed from things without life. That isn't possible. I can not make a rock into a living thing. That isn't scientifically possible. No amount of elements, energy, or gases can make that happen.

The Law of Biogenisis states that life cannot arise from a non-living object.

Aglonia wrote:We are the literal children of God. We are partakers in his divine nature. The scriptures themselves tell us that we are God's and children of the most high. How else can be be co-heirs with Christ without partaking equally in godhood.

What about this verse

Ephesians 2:3

Among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

By default, we are under God's wrath, even called "Children of wrath". It is after we are saved that we are proclaimed Children of God.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Aglonia wrote:The existence of life itself is proof of Intelligent Design. Something that is nonliving can not become life. Life can not just be formed from things without life. That isn't possible. I can not make a rock into a living thing. That isn't scientifically possible. No amount of elements, energy, or gases can make that happen.

Converting a rock into a living thing is a false comparison, and you know that. The Miller-Urey experiment proved that amino acids necessary for life could be formed from the conditions present on the early Earth.

Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands

The Sladerstan wrote:The Law of Biogenisis states that life cannot arise from a non-living object.

What about this verse

Ephesians 2:3

Among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

By default, we are under God's wrath, even called "Children of wrath". It is after we are saved that we are proclaimed Children of God.

A good scripture. I chose to quote someone on this rather than try to say it properly myself as I am no theologian.

"Because this doctrine is so basic to the plan of salvation and also because it is so susceptible to misunderstanding, we must note that these references to "natural" evil emphatically do not mean that men and women are "inherently" evil. There is a crucial difference. As spiritual sons and daughters of God, all mortal men and women are divine in origin and divine in their potential destiny. As Doctrine and Covenants 93:38-39 teaches, the spirit of every man, woman, and child "was innocent in the beginning." But it is also true that as a result of the Fall they are now in a "natural" (fallen) world where the devil "taketh away light" and where some elements of nature-including temporal human nature-need discipline, restraint, and refinement. It is as if men and women are given, as part of their next step in development along the path to godhood, raw physical and spiritual ingredients-"natural" resources, if you will" -Elder Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

Viridus, Gagium, The Sladerstan

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Converting a rock into a living thing is a false comparison, and you know that. The Miller-Urey experiment proved that amino acids necessary for life could be formed from the conditions present on the early Earth.

So life can just exist because of nonliving things?

Viridus, Gagium, The Sladerstan

Aglonia wrote:A good scripture. I chose to quote someone on this rather than try to say it properly myself as I am no theologian.

"Because this doctrine is so basic to the plan of salvation and also because it is so susceptible to misunderstanding, we must note that these references to "natural" evil emphatically do not mean that men and women are "inherently" evil. There is a crucial difference. As spiritual sons and daughters of God, all mortal men and women are divine in origin and divine in their potential destiny. As Doctrine and Covenants 93:38-39 teaches, the spirit of every man, woman, and child "was innocent in the beginning." But it is also true that as a result of the Fall they are now in a "natural" (fallen) world where the devil "taketh away light" and where some elements of nature-including temporal human nature-need discipline, restraint, and refinement. It is as if men and women are given, as part of their next step in development along the path to godhood, raw physical and spiritual ingredients-"natural" resources, if you will" -Elder Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

What Christian denomination is this?

Also, I'm not a theologian either, I just know scripture.

Aglonia wrote:So life can just exist because of nonliving things?

Nope. Law of Biogenesis

Gagium, Aglonia

The Sladerstan wrote:What Christian denomination is this?

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

This the additional books of scripture.

Gagium, The Sladerstan

Aglonia wrote:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Ah, Mormonism. Makes sense now, actually.

I am, however, a Presbyterian/Lutheran.

I tend to switch between the two often, because they're both very Biblical, Lutheran being very literal, Presbyterian being less literal but trying to fit things into context.

New Waldensia, Gagium

The Sladerstan wrote:Ah, Mormonism. Makes sense now, actually.

I am, however, a Presbyterian/Lutheran.

I tend to switch between the two often, because they're both very Biblical, Lutheran being very literal, Presbyterian being less literal but trying to fit things into context.

Ah. Yeah. I'm a Mormon, but in all honesty. I am less Orthodox than most members of the church are.

Gagium, The Sladerstan

Aglonia wrote:So life can just exist because of nonliving things?

Yes.

Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Yes.

That's ridiculous.

Viridus, Gagium, The Sladerstan

New Waldensia wrote:Yeah, apparently Lermant has revived...

I'm just a clown to you NW?

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, The Sladerstan

Aglonia wrote:That's ridiculous.

Bruh. So we're just ignoring scientific fact now?

Gagium, The Sladerstan

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1312951

Your Senate weekly newsletter is out!

Viridus, Gagium, Mietkael, Holy Rhinish Islands

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Bruh. So we're just ignoring scientific fact now?

It makes no logical sense that life can be started out of nothingness. Nothing can arise from Nothing. The living can not arise from the non-living

Science is not all true. It is the forces of science that would for example destroy the idea of free will and agency. It is a tool and a force that can be used in the pursuit of truth or for the deadliest of falsehoods.

Viridus, Gagium, The Sladerstan

Aglonia wrote:It makes no logical sense that life can be started out of nothingness. Nothing can arise from Nothing. The living can not arise from the non-living

Science is not all true. It is the forces of science that would for example destroy the idea of free will and agency. It is a tool and a force that can be used in the pursuit of truth or for the deadliest of falsehoods.

It was literally done in a lab . . .

And it does makes sense since literally everything is composed of the same subatomic particles.

But muh evil scientists.

Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands

The Senate Speaker wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1312951

Your Senate weekly newsletter is out!

Good to see the executive propping up the SAR.

Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis

hmmm today i will try to convince someone god is not real on a message board

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, Aglonia, The Sladerstan

Bukoviya wrote:hmmm today i will try to convince someone god is not real on a message board

I agree.

We don't have to convince anybody, just leave everyone to their own opinions.

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Bukoviya, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Emerisis

Our personal mod will have a fun time...

Gagium, Bukoviya, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Emerisis

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:I agree.

We don't have to convince anybody, just leave everyone to their own opinions.

Ah yes, we should all remain in our own echo chambers :)

Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:Our personal mod will have a fun time...

Agreed, no one wants this religious sh*tstorm on the board, please argue on reddit next time thx

Viridus, Gagium, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, The Sladerstan

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Ah yes, we should all remain in our own echo chambers :)

Bud if you can convert someone to your religion over the Nation States RMB board that’s impressive

Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, Greater Bastion, Mietkael, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, Aglonia, The Sladerstan

New Inglaterra wrote:Bud if you can convert someone to your religion over the Nation States RMB board that’s impressive

Missionary Strength: 1000%

Viridus, Gagium, Lermant, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, The Sladerstan

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Ah yes, we should all remain in our own echo chambers :)

"our own echo chambers"

:thinking:

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Lermant, Greater Bastion, Mietkael, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis

New Inglaterra wrote:Bud if you can convert someone to your religion over the Nation States RMB board that’s impressive

As a former Missionary.

I accept this challenge.

Viridus, Gagium, Lermant, Greater Bastion, Emerisis, The Sladerstan

New Inglaterra wrote:Bud if you can convert someone to your religion over the Nation States RMB board that’s impressive

TIL discussion is bad

Gagium wrote:"our own echo chambers"

:thinking:

?

Gagium, Greater Bastion, Aglonia, The Sladerstan

This is Bubba, and this is a bean burrito from taco bell.

Gagium, Emerisis

Gladesville wrote:This is Bubba, and this is a bean burrito from taco bell.

i want a bean burrito

Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

BOBA FETTTTT

Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

Bukoviya wrote:i want a bean burrito

Well, you'll need a copy of Pokemon Red, and Pokemon Blue.

You'll need a copy of Red to catch a Dratini, and exchange it to Blue

Blue needs to train the Dratini until it becomes a Dragonite

Then you'll need to give the Dragonite back to Red

You need to then go back to Cerulean Cave, where Mewtwo was caught.

Then you'd need to give the Dragonite a Fire Stone.

Finally, you have a Yoshi.

But a Bean Burrito costs around $7 at my local Mexican Restaurant.

Gagium, Mietkael, Emerisis

Gladesville wrote:Well, you'll need a copy of Pokemon Red, and Pokemon Blue.

You'll need a copy of Red to catch a Dratini, and exchange it to Blue

Blue needs to train the Dratini until it becomes a Dragonite

Then you'll need to give the Dragonite back to Red

You need to then go back to Cerulean Cave, where Mewtwo was caught.

Then you'd need to give the Dragonite a Fire Stone.

Finally, you have a Yoshi.

But a Bean Burrito costs around $7 at my local Mexican Restaurant.

dude I just want a burrito

Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

Gladesville wrote:Well, you'll need a copy of Pokemon Red, and Pokemon Blue.

You'll need a copy of Red to catch a Dratini, and exchange it to Blue

Blue needs to train the Dratini until it becomes a Dragonite

Then you'll need to give the Dragonite back to Red

You need to then go back to Cerulean Cave, where Mewtwo was caught.

Then you'd need to give the Dragonite a Fire Stone.

Finally, you have a Yoshi.

But a Bean Burrito costs around $7 at my local Mexican Restaurant.

You literally could’ve just said “ a Bean Burrito costs around $7 at my local Mexican Restaurant.”

Gagium, Emerisis

Anyone wanna help the MDA get to page 5000?

Gagium, Emerisis

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:BOBA FETTTTT

JANGO FETTTTT

Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

Washingtonian Republic wrote:JANGO FETTTTT

Is better

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium

Aglonia wrote:So life can just exist because of nonliving things?

God creating life is in and of itself is a form of spontaneous generation. You can say: God can do the impossible, his actions are beyond science etc. But the truth is that all events should be able to be explained scientifically, even if we don't understand it now.

Life either always existed eg. had no beginning, or it arose/was created out of nothing. If you believe one form of the latter, you can't logically argue for one type of spontaneous generation by arguing against the principle of spontaneous generation altogether.

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Greater Bastion, The Sladerstan

Freethinkers wrote:God creating life is in and of itself is a form of spontaneous generation. You can say: God can do the impossible, his actions are beyond science etc. But the truth is that all events should be able to be explained scientifically, even if we don't understand it now.

Life either always existed eg. had no beginning, or it arose/was created out of nothing. If you believe one form of the latter, you can't logically argue for one type of spontaneous generation by arguing against the principle of spontaneous generation altogether.

He makes fair points.

Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Freethinkers

Bukoviya wrote:Agreed, no one wants this religious sh*tstorm on the board, please argue on reddit next time thx

*Logs onto reddit*

r/Christianity

"Ah yes, an atheist in the wild. Let us show him Bible verses he doesn't believe in the first place as proof for my religion. "

I do not know how many times I've seen this happen, but seriously, people need to prove God exists rather than show Bible verses. It's like a Muslim telling me Allah is God and then quoting the Quran.

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Freethinkers

The Sladerstan wrote:*Logs onto reddit*

r/Christianity

"Ah yes, an atheist in the wild. Let us show him Bible verses he doesn't believe in the first place as proof for my religion. "

I do not know how many times I've seen this happen, but seriously, people need to prove God exists rather than show Bible verses. It's like a Muslim telling me Allah is God and then quoting the Quran.

They don't understand the possibility of religion not being the fundamental basis of thought and truth

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Sladerstan, Hindiabelanda

Freethinkers wrote:They don't understand the possibility of religion not being the fundamental basis of thought and truth

Religion is the fundamental basis though. As God would be the fundamental basis proving he exists.

Viridus, Gagium, Hindiabelanda

Aglonia wrote:Religion is the fundamental basis though. As God would be the fundamental basis proving he exists.

Even if we could prove the existence of a being on a higher plane, that doesn't provide a logical proof for x or y religion - it only provides proof of that being existing.

It is one assertion to say "God exists" and an entirely different one to say "this religion is true". Both require different burdens of proof.

I.e. believing in the existence of God does not also automatically make x or y religion true. They are separate concepts.

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

Freethinkers wrote:Even if we could prove the existence of a being on a higher plane, that doesn't provide a logical proof for x or y religion - it only provides proof of that being existing.

It is one assertion to say "God exists" and an entirely different one to say "this religion is true". Both require different burdens of proof.

I.e. believing in the existence of God does not also automatically make x or y religion true. They are separate concepts.

But if God has literally revealed himself to people and people have legitimately felt his spirit (of which before we say anything I believe anyone of any faith can feel at any given moment) then we can know. We can know based on the historical texts and evidences which Faith's are more correct. From there we can reason. Of course God will guide us towards the correct faith as well.

Viridus, Gagium

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:You literally could’ve just said “ a Bean Burrito costs around $7 at my local Mexican Restaurant.”

Sam O' Nella Uploaded

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Lermant, San Carlos Islands, Greater Bastion, Emerisis

Aglonia wrote:But if God has literally revealed himself to people and people have legitimately felt his spirit (of which before we say anything I believe anyone of any faith can feel at any given moment) then we can know.

Well, seeing God would for sure provide a basis of evaluation, because one can define qualities of this being. However, anyone can claim that they saw or experienced God, so that in itself is not evidence of existence. People are not infallible transmitters of truth, and subjective experiences are just that - subjective. They don't provide or define objective truth.

Also, wouldn't it be true that people outside of religious belief could experience or feel God, if God exists? If god exists, the being would exist whether or not humans have a concept of religion or not. So religion itself as a valid concept is not automatically proven by the existence of God.

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands

Man this got antidinerian

Gladesville wrote:Sam O' Nella Uploaded

Now there's an omniscient god I can worship

Gagium, Lermant, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis

Freethinkers wrote:They don't understand the possibility of religion not being the fundamental basis of thought and truth

While I do believe that Christianity is the correct religion, I don't think it's wise to quote Bible verses as proof of it. I mean, it's like saying Superman exists and using a Superman comic as proof. Basically, prove it using something outside of the Bible, and then encourage the Bible to be read. There is also the very real possibility you can prove the Bible correct, but most people will ignore it.

Just saying, if someone is gonna convince someone else their religion is true, they shouldn't use their own religious books, but should either:

A) Prove the book to be true and trustworthy

B) Show proof of God

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands

Have you guys heard of Pascal's wager? In summary, it's the idea that you are betting with your life on whether or not to believe in God.

There are four scenarios:

1. You believe. God exists. The outcome is good.

2. You believe. God doesn't exist. The outcome is neutral.

3. You don't believe. God exists. The outcome is bad.

4. You don't believe. God doesn't exist. The outcome is neutral.

Pascal argued that is best to believe because you have infinity to gain and nothing to lose as shown by the scenarios.

I always thought it was an interesting concept. Whether or not it's worth living your life by is a whole other question.

Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion, The Sladerstan

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Have you guys heard of Pascal's wager? In summary, it's the idea that you are betting with your life on whether or not to believe in God.

There are four scenarios:

1. You believe. God exists. The outcome is good.

2. You believe. God doesn't exist. The outcome is neutral.

3. You don't believe. God exists. The outcome is bad.

4. You don't believe. God doesn't exist. The outcome is neutral.

Pascal argued that is best to believe because you have infinity to gain and nothing to lose as shown by the scenarios.

I always thought it was an interesting concept. Whether or not it's worth living your life by is a whole other question.

Basically, it's better safe than sorry. I mean, there's not really anything wrong with Christianity, like, we don't have to meditate and do rituals and stuff like that. Basically just Trust Jesus will save you and turn away from sin. What's there to lose? Immorality? It's better to be a good person and positively impact people's lives even if God doesn't exist, than to be a bad, immoral person regardless of whether or not God does exist.

Better safe than sorry.

Viridus, Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:

Pascal argued that is best to believe because you have infinity to gain and nothing to lose as shown by the scenarios.

I always thought it was an interesting concept. Whether or not it's worth living your life by is a whole other question.

I've always found it a better argument than philosophy to live by. Someone "believing" out of a fear-induced wager probably isn't really believing.

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Greater Bastion

The Sladerstan wrote:Basically, it's better safe than sorry. I mean, there's not really anything wrong with Christianity, like, we don't have to meditate and do rituals and stuff like that. Basically just Trust Jesus will save you and turn away from sin. What's there to lose? Immorality? It's better to be a good person and positively impact people's lives even if God doesn't exist, than to be a bad, immoral person regardless of whether or not God does exist.

Better safe than sorry.

Slow down there. Are you implying that non-believers are inherently bad/immoral?

Otira wrote:I've always found it a better argument than philosophy to live by. Someone "believing" out of a fear-induced wager probably isn't really believing.

Exactly. That's the problem. If you're gonna go by it, then you really need to convince yourself that God exists.

Otira, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Sladerstan

Well I finally Got my LEGO black Smith attack set and my target 🎯 practice mini kit. I’m surprised no one ☝🏼 bought LEGO kingdoms

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Emerisis

That feeling when you're completely and utterly clowned on for a bill.

Not a bill that you propose as a slight meme, such as setting Gagium's title to God-Emperor.

No, for a bill that you legitimately thought would be a decent bill to propose 🤡

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Sladerstan

The Sladerstan wrote:Basically, it's better safe than sorry. I mean, there's not really anything wrong with Christianity, like, we don't have to meditate and do rituals and stuff like that. Basically just Trust Jesus will save you and turn away from sin. What's there to lose? Immorality? It's better to be a good person and positively impact people's lives even if God doesn't exist, than to be a bad, immoral person regardless of whether or not God does exist.

Better safe than sorry.

>Implying Jesus doesn't require you to do anything in your worship of him.

>Implying just being a good person and believing in Christ is enough.

What about the Sacrament of which he instructs us to partake. That is ritual, is it not?

Also. Non-Believers can be 100% moral. Believers can be 100% immoral. God will choose the Non-Believer.

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium

Greater Bastion wrote:That feeling when you're completely and utterly clowned on for a bill.

Not a bill that you propose as a slight meme, such as setting Gagium's title to God-Emperor.

No, for a bill that you legitimately thought would be a decent bill to propose 🤡

Gagium actually offered me an opportunity to become the Ecclesiarch of the newly formed FCN Ecclesiarchy (also known as the Adeptus Ministorum).

Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion

Hello boys

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Lermant, Ibenta, New Inglaterra, Emerisis

Logon wrote:Hello boys

Maximus returns.

https://youtu.be/NBE-uBgtINg?t=60

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

Aglonia wrote:>Implying Jesus doesn't require you to do anything in your worship of him.

>Implying just being a good person and believing in Christ is enough.

What about the Sacrament of which he instructs us to partake. That is ritual, is it not?

Also. Non-Believers can be 100% moral. Believers can be 100% immoral. God will choose the Non-Believer.

Presbyterians have 2 Sacraments: Baptism and The Lord's Supper

We're not forced to do either, but we should.

Also, by saying "God will choose the non-believer", you're calling God a liar. Jesus says

"For God so loved the world that He sent His only son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life."

What you're saying is that true believers can be rejected by God in favor of those who live in unbelief, and also, their morality or good works doesn't matter, all have sinned and are headed for hell unless they repent and trust Him.

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Slow down there. Are you implying that non-believers are inherently bad/immoral?

We are all inherently inclined to do bad, but we're not evil as in murderers or bank robbers or whatever.

We're naturally inclined towards sin.

Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Gagium

The Sladerstan wrote:We are all inherently inclined to do bad, but we're not evil as in murderers or bank robbers or whatever.

We're naturally inclined towards sin.

Let me rephrase that . . .

Are you implying that you must be religious to be moral?

Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Sladerstan

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Let me rephrase that . . .

Are you implying that you must be religious to be moral?

No, but you gotta be a believer to be considered righteous before God.

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Let me rephrase that . . .

Are you implying that you must be religious to be moral?

You must be moral to be religious.

Viridus, Gagium, Mietkael, Emerisis, The Sladerstan

Logon wrote:Hello boys

A hero among men!

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

The Sladerstan wrote:Presbyterians have 2 Sacraments: Baptism and The Lord's Supper

We're not forced to do either, but we should.

Also, by saying "God will choose the non-believer", you're calling God a liar. Jesus says

"For God so loved the world that He sent His only son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life."

What you're saying is that true believers can be rejected by God in favor of those who live in unbelief, and also, their morality or good works doesn't matter, all have sinned and are headed for hell unless they repent and trust Him.

All have the ability to accept Christ in the next life if they did not accept him in this life for whatever reason. What matters is that your heart is good. If your heart is good and directed towards God and Goodness than he will not hold people who were simply wrong in their worship as sinners.

What happens to all the people who never heard of God? Who never heard of Christ? Do they get sent to hell? Because that is much more blasphemous.

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium

The Sladerstan wrote:No, but you gotta be a believer to be considered righteous before God.

If you murder or steal are you righteous? If you hurt others are you righteous? What if I believer in Christ does these things? Christians can abuse others. Christians can lie and cheat. They can ruin other's lives.

What about an Atheist? Can they be honest and charitable? Yes. Can they help others? Yes. Can they be more righteous than an immoral Christian? Yes.

Show me a religion without works and I will show you a faith that is dead.

Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, Meirshir, Hindiabelanda

Ibenta wrote:You must be moral to be religious.

That's not true. There have been/are plenty of religious people who have done immoral things.

Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

The Sladerstan wrote:Just saying, if someone is gonna convince someone else their religion is true, they shouldn't use their own religious books, but should either:

A) Prove the book to be true and trustworthy

B) Show proof of God

Freethinkers wrote:If god exists, the being would exist whether or not humans have a concept of religion or not. So religion itself as a valid concept is not automatically proven by the existence of God.

The only way to prove that a religion is true is by proving that the religion is true.

Gagium, The Sladerstan, Hindiabelanda

This is STILL going?

Huvakia, Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

Washingtonian Republic wrote:Gagium actually offered me an opportunity to become the Ecclesiarch of the newly formed FCN Ecclesiarchy (also known as the Adeptus Ministorum).

Me: 🤡

You: 😎

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium, Emerisis, Hindiabelanda

So I am trying to get rid of clothes. I have 140 shirts and counting... I think I have too many shirts.

New Waldensia, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, Freethinkers, Hindiabelanda

Libervalley wrote:So I am trying to get rid of clothes. I have 140 shirts and counting... I think I have too many shirts.

No such thing as too many! You can go 140 days!

Huvakia, New Waldensia, Gagium, Fluvannia, Greater Bastion, Emerisis, Hindiabelanda

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:No such thing as too many! You can go 140 days!

*Laughs in Boy Scout 1 shirt 1 week*

Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Emerisis, Hindiabelanda

I hope I can stay here boys, but given the whole LCN issue I can see why you’d kick me out if need ne

Viridus, Gagium, Ibenta, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, The Cot Corporation, Hindiabelanda

Freethinkers wrote:That's not true. There have been/are plenty of religious people who have done immoral things.

You and I have a different conception of what a religious person is. I'm speaking in ideals.

Gagium, Emerisis, The Sladerstan, Hindiabelanda

Aglonia wrote:If you murder or steal are you righteous? If you hurt others are you righteous? What if I believer in Christ does these things? Christians can abuse others. Christians can lie and cheat. They can ruin other's lives.

What about an Atheist? Can they be honest and charitable? Yes. Can they help others? Yes. Can they be more righteous than an immoral Christian? Yes.

Show me a religion without works and I will show you a faith that is dead.

Works are not necessary for salvation, but they can signify the change of heart which comes with the New Birth.

Also, yes, Christians can be immoral. But a Christian life is not dominated by immorality.

Gagium, Hindiabelanda

Greater Bastion wrote:That feeling when you're completely and utterly clowned on for a bill.

Not a bill that you propose as a slight meme, such as setting Gagium's title to God-Emperor.

No, for a bill that you legitimately thought would be a decent bill to propose 🤡

Sowwy

Viridus, Gagium, Greater Bastion, Hindiabelanda

Logon wrote:I hope I can stay here boys, but given the whole LCN issue I can see why you’d kick me out if need be

I'd rather not kick you out honestly.

You seem to be a nice fellow, and we aren't authoritarians like the LCNers. I'd want to keep you here

Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, New Inglaterra, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation, Hindiabelanda

Greater Bastion wrote:I'd rather not kick you out honestly.

You seem to be a nice fellow, and we aren't authoritarians like the LCNers. I'd want to keep you here

I agree - not many people disown the LCN and live.

Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

Greater Bastion wrote:I'd rather not kick you out honestly.

You seem to be a nice fellow, and we aren't authoritarians like the LCNers. I'd want to keep you here

We are authoritarians now 😎😎 Long live the Empire!

Viridus, New Inglaterra, Greater Bastion, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation, Hindiabelanda

>Clicked on an issue response to try and increase efficiency

>You're a communist now

Gagium, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

The Cot Corporation wrote:>Clicked on an issue response to try and increase efficiency

>You're a communist now

Capitalism is inefficient!!! Yay for cOmMuNiSm

Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, The Cot Corporation, Hindiabelanda

Aglonia wrote:All have the ability to accept Christ in the next life if they did not accept him in this life for whatever reason. What matters is that your heart is good. If your heart is good and directed towards God and Goodness than he will not hold people who were simply wrong in their worship as sinners.

What happens to all the people who never heard of God? Who never heard of Christ? Do they get sent to hell? Because that is much more blasphemous.

I belive it's pretty well established, at least in Catholicism, that if you've never heard of Him at all, you're saved because you don't know better. Knowing yet ignoring is different.

Gagium, Fluvannia, Mietkael, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

Aglonia wrote:If you murder or steal are you righteous? If you hurt others are you righteous? What if I believer in Christ does these things? Christians can abuse others. Christians can lie and cheat. They can ruin other's lives.

What about an Atheist? Can they be honest and charitable? Yes. Can they help others? Yes. Can they be more righteous than an immoral Christian? Yes.

Show me a religion without works and I will show you a faith that is dead.

To do immoral works yet call yourself a Christian is hypocritical and doesn't work out. To sin means you're not a true Christian. That's why reconciliation is key.

Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

San Carlos Islands wrote:To do immoral works yet call yourself a Christian is hypocritical and doesn't work out. To sin means you're not a true Christian. That's why reconciliation is key.

Ah yes, the evangelist.

Gagium, Hindiabelanda

The Cot Corporation wrote:Ah yes, the evangelist.

wdym?

Gagium, The Cot Corporation, Hindiabelanda

New WA nations Australasian State, New Brangendon, and Lermant; please endorse the WA Delegate New Waldensia.

Viridus, Gagium, Lermant, New Inglaterra, Mietkael, Holy Rhinish Islands, Hindiabelanda

The Sladerstan wrote:Works are not necessary for salvation, but they can signify the change of heart which comes with the New Birth.

Also, yes, Christians can be immoral. But a Christian life is not dominated by immorality.

Works are necessary for salvation. James himself said "Faith without Works is Dead" and "Show me a man's Faith without works, I will show you my faith by my works."

San Carlos Islands wrote:I belive it's pretty well established, at least in Catholicism, that if you've never heard of Him at all, you're saved because you don't know better. Knowing yet ignoring is different.

San Carlos Islands wrote:To do immoral works yet call yourself a Christian is hypocritical and doesn't work out. To sin means you're not a true Christian. That's why reconciliation is key.

Yet we all do immoral works. Every single human being who has ever lived save Christ alone. You can do immoral works and be Christian. What matters and I know we will agree on this point. Is that we are striving to come into Christ and be perfected in Him.

Gagium, Hindiabelanda

The Cot Corporation wrote:Ah yes, the evangelist.

Oh my gosh. I just got that.

Gagium, The Cot Corporation, Hindiabelanda

Aglonia wrote:Works are necessary for salvation. James himself said "Faith without Works is Dead" and "Show me a man's Faith without works, I will show you my faith by my works."To sin means you are not a true Christian? We all sin though? What makes you a Christian is your works to grow closer to Christ. Christ will not save you if you don't put in effort to be a good person. Why should he? Why save every rapist and murderer who professes faith in him?

The concept of a "good person" is a human construct. You will not be saved if you have mortal sin on your heart, that sin can only be cleaned by reconciliation.

Gagium, The Sladerstan, Hindiabelanda

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