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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations

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The Cot Corporation wrote:You seem to miss the point. He wasn't banned. He left. He left because he wasn't ready to face the consequences of his actions.

Uhh..hey, right here...hello

Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Dragons Of Power, Kujawy

Dragons Of Power wrote:That's your choice. I understand that, and, we can agree on. Now, I'm going to end it, cause I have other things to do, and I bet so do you.

But before, let me clear a few things up.

-I don't think NS and irl is the same thing. I really don't, I'm not going to sit here and explain "my life story" (cause no one cares nor do I want to share), but to say that I'm too young to have experiences, and that I think NS and the real world is the same, is false.

-I defended him, because that's what I do. I argue for people, because of some weird ass reason that I really don't know either. He has countless of times defended not only the MDA as a whole, but Legion and I as well. And, I wanted to return the favor.

-I'm not saying that he should "escape" his punishments, but people originally were advocating for his banned, which I found stupid, but thanks to Logon, (due to me not being a senator anymore), I am now aware that he won't be banned. I was arguing against his ban (due to people wanting him banned), not saying that he was banned to begin with. My wording, probably is what led to this assumption, and that's bad on my part.

If you read also above your post, you'll basically see my argument in a nutshell, which also explains it. :/

The Cot Corporation wrote:But once again, this isn't disney.

You're right, this is an online nation simulator game that revolves around answering issues regarding your fake virtual nation and grouping up with other fake virtual nations in things called regions..I'm glad you're writing up essays on why I'm bad for clicking a few buttons and moving to a different virtual region man, but..like..I don't know. You're acting like by committing a crime by moving to a different fake virtual region I've literally committed mass murder

Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power

Gagium West Africa wrote:Uhh..hey, right here...hello

Grabs popcorn in a rush and gets 3D glasses.

New Waldensia

The Cot Corporation wrote:(Paragraph blaming me for leaving because I was previously involved in a lot of stuff, conveniently located after the paragraphs calling me a horrible traitor who betrayed the region and calling me a child that threw a trantrum)

I don't see how you can be confused about why I left on my main quite frankly

The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power

Pizo Cas wrote:TRUE COMMUNISM WILL BE ACHIVED!
By the mass murder of 12 million souls

Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation

Pizo Cas wrote:TRUE COMMUNISM WILL BE ACHIVED!

Federation of Communist Nations

Can't wait for this arc

New Waldensia, Gagium West Africa, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Han Scon

Gagium West Africa wrote:You're right, this is an online nation simulator game that revolves around answering issues regarding your fake virtual nation and grouping up with other fake virtual nations in things called regions..I'm glad you're writing up essays on why I'm bad for clicking a few buttons and moving to a different virtual region man, but..like..I don't know. You're acting like by committing a crime by moving to a different fake virtual region I've literally committed mass murder

I know right... he's acting like you were the president of the US, but then went to Russia and then surrendered the US to Russia.

Washingtonian Republic, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power

Charleotopia wrote:Federation of Communist Nations

Can't wait for this arc

:scream:

Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Fluvannia, Kujawy

Washingtonian Republic wrote:By the mass murder of 12 million souls

What’s worng with that

Charleotopia wrote:Federation of Communist Nations

Can't wait for this arc

UwU

Charleotopia

Aumburg wrote:I know right... he's acting like you were the president of the US, but then went to Russia and then surrendered the US to Russia.

That’s exactly what happened

The Cot Corporation, Logon

By all accounts Gagium is guilty but I’d argue he’s more a victim of yet another irrational law passed by the Senate also COT I advise you do a bit of self reflection before criticizing Gag as only a few months ago you were begging us not to ban you for virtually the exact same offense

Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power

Raeltis wrote:By all accounts Gagium is guilty but I’d argue he’s more a victim of yet another irrational law passed by the Senate also COT I advise you do a bit of self reflection before criticizing Gag as only a few months ago you were begging us not to ban you for virtually the exact same offense

Actually, it was an executive order that's almost a year old, authored by a president shortly before he resigned and, er, left the for region that his order targeted. 😲

Liberated American Provinces, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Logon

New Waldensia wrote:Actually, it was an executive order that's almost a year old, authored by a president shortly before he resigned and, er, left the for region that his order targeted. 😲

Either way...my main point still stands

New Waldensia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power

Raeltis wrote:By all accounts Gagium is guilty but I’d argue he’s more a victim of yet another irrational law passed by the Senate also COT I advise you do a bit of self reflection before criticizing Gag as only a few months ago you were begging us not to ban you for virtually the exact same offense

Absolutely, but the thing is, the government (i.e. Fluvannia) has said literally nothing on whether we're going to be banned or not or anything and has left people like Logon and COT to speak for the region, which is really irksome...Like, just a little bit of clarity from the gov or a DM from Fluvannia saying "This is what's going to happen since you're on the LCN discord and have a nation in the LCN" would go a long way to help some of us like me and Furby who are in a limbo waiting to see what the gov does.

Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Charleotopia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Pizo Cas

Gagium West Africa wrote:Absolutely, but the thing is, the government (i.e. Fluvannia) has said literally nothing on whether we're going to be banned or not or anything and has left people like Logon and COT to speak for the region, which is really irksome...Like, just a little bit of clarity from the gov or a DM from Fluvannia saying "This is what's going to happen since you're on the LCN discord and have a nation in the LCN" would go a long way to help some of us like me and Furby who are in a limbo waiting to see what the gov does.

To be fair this is what happens when you make issues that should be private a big public fiasco...it’s almost like I warned against this

Gagium West Africa, Charleotopia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power

Quebecshire

The text literally says “from the Senate” smh. You should apologize and resign over such clownery.

Now in all seriousness can we stop arguing via RMB and act relatively mature?

New Waldensia, Fluvannia, Kujawy

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https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1360251

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Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1360251

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Poor LCN

Holy Rhinish Islands, Logon

Mietkael wrote:Poor LCN

Nah.

Dragons Of Power

Mietkael wrote:Poor LCN

All this over a stupid year old law?

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium West Africa

Going to respond to Quebecshire here, as of course I lack the permissions to do so any more directly outside of telegrams.

I barely know you, and you know little to nothing of us. What makes our Consulate so immoral? What makes it so much more of a dictatorship than the FCN? Anything? Or is it that you simply cannot see beyond surface-level labels. Anyone who thinks Consuls are immune from accountability and limits has clearly no knowledge of our constitutions...

As a matter of fact I looked through your own constitution not five minutes before my previous comments, as I wanted to confirm what was and was not true out of what I had heard of your government's structure. While I did not accuse you of being a dictatorship, you can I am sure understand that I find something inherently flawed in an executive that chooses its own members (Art. Two, Sec. One, Subsec. III) and who serve "until their resignation or until they become unable to fill their position." (Art. Two, Sec. One, Subsec. IV) Unless your Constitution is horrendously out-of-date, this information is what I was criticizing. Yes, I noticed the later text regarding abstentions in your Council's affairs. I was not addressing that, rather the inherently cliquish measures by which your region's executive is chosen.

You say we've falsely accused the FCN of being a dictatorship, so let me choose my words carefully so nothing is muddled. The FCN is authoritarian and hostile to anyone who questions the narrative of the evil supposedly held in this region's jurisdictions. Toxic towards those who question it. And no, this is no false accusation. A region who bans people for harmless associations, either from the region itself or the Senate, without a trial, is authoritarian.

If it weren't a false accusation, I would have banned Gagium and Furbish Islands by now. However, because I desired to move with caution on this -- precisely because I question the government's power to ban people, much to what I can only assume is your surprise -- I had not done so. Personally, so far as I can tell, the only people who should actually be banned from our region and Discord are those within the LCN's government, and even by the same law that expels them, they can individually be whitelisted. Sadly, none of that same group seem to wish to earn a whitelisting, instead seeming content to sit on high horses in glass stables. And while I do not see the reason these two suddenly decided to associate with your region, despite having derided it not days before, should either of them, fully aware of the laws we have (and the common interpretation thereof, even if I think it's an overzealous one), so much as come to me beforehand and said "hey, I'd like to reach out to the LCN, can we make sure that's cool" -- I would have agreed! It is not as though I am ignorant of the value in informal diplomacy.

A region where it is seemingly acceptable to expel people from political parties for criticizing the justices.

I've seen rumors about this, though I can presume which party and which justice is being referred to. While I agree that response is inappropriate, parties have the freedom (ah yes, how authoritarian) to decide their membership policies.

A region where justice is handed down by one person, who also sat on the Senate and proposed a law to enact the ruling he would eventually make.

Anyone who thinks this decision was immune from criticism has clearly no knowledge of our discussions, to borrow a turn of phrase. Seriously though, this decision, even if legally valid, was not well-received. Your mole within our Senate may have missed broadcasting that discontent on his "security camera".

The Consulate and the Council have welcomed those who were once enemies, offering redemption and new beginnings to many.

You will hopefully forgive my bluntness when I point out this remark reeks of self-importance.

Your Presidents and your Senate have been hostile and hateful.

With varying degrees of justification, I would argue. Yet none have authorized the use of another region's Discord bots to destroy their server...if that act does not strike you as more hostile, then I frankly don't know what to tell you.

Make no mistake -- your region is viewed as a hostile one here with good reason, only strengthened in recent days by the actions of your operatives. It is not that we are banning nations for "going against the narrative", so to speak, it is that we must, for the sake of our region's survival, look with suspicion on any sudden affiliations with a region that has directly acted with hostility toward us before.

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As to Gagium, yes, I do owe you an apology. I was waiting to see the outcome of a number of different Senate votes, attempting to exhaust what options I had to keep you here before my hands were tied. I should have kept you apprised of that fact. I stand by my statement that if I was going to ban you, I simply would have (albeit with the proper explanation as required by law).

Viridus, Aeternitatia, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1360251

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RIP our first voluntary protectorate.

Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation, Logon

New Waldensia wrote:RIP our first voluntary protectorate.

They are of course, welcome to make their bed where they see fit. I feel bad for them, though.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

Fluvannia wrote:They are of course, welcome to make their bed where they see fit. I feel bad for them, though.

No lie, the very first thing you should do as the new president of the FCN is to abolish the senate.

Dragons Of Power

Charleotopia wrote:No lie, the very first thing you should do as the new president of the FCN is to abolish the senate.

Are you attempting to make me the Senate, Master Jedi?

Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Charleotopia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

Fluvannia wrote:Are you attempting to make me the Senate, Master Jedi?

Abolish the senate and the presidency and unleash a new era of anarchy.

Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Gagium West Africa, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power

Fluvannia wrote:They are of course, welcome to make their bed where they see fit. I feel bad for them, though.

I feel bad for me as well.

New Waldensia, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Tazlaan, The Cot Corporation

Yo how’s it goin

Viridus

I’ve come back to nation states after about a year or two. I’ve had a couple large nations who were involved in some regions associated with this one. From what I remember from last time I was here the LCn and Qubec were a bit of a nuisance and it appears that has not changed

New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power

Awakened States wrote:I’ve come back to nation states after about a year or two. I’ve had a couple large nations who were involved in some regions associated with this one. From what I remember from last time I was here the LCn and Qubec were a bit of a nuisance and it appears that has not changed

K

Dragons Of Power

Our ability to self-create drama as a region

Awakened States wrote:has not changed

either.

Viridus, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:I feel bad for me as well.

Haha jk I love the LCN

Furbish Islands, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power

Aleciton Lands wrote:obligatory daily post.

Trenado likes underaged feet

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Trenado, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Aumburg

Gagium West Africa wrote:

Total Nuance wrote:[spoiler=]Pee poop fart xd[/spoiler]

Dragons Of Power

allahu akbar

The Legion Of Mankind

Grutupolotata wrote:allahu akbar

the air smells like gunpowder now.

Aumburg

Gagium West Africa wrote:Absolutely, but the thing is, the government (i.e. Fluvannia) has said literally nothing on whether we're going to be banned or not or anything and has left people like Logon and COT to speak for the region, which is really irksome...Like, just a little bit of clarity from the gov or a DM from Fluvannia saying "This is what's going to happen since you're on the LCN discord and have a nation in the LCN" would go a long way to help some of us like me and Furby who are in a limbo waiting to see what the gov does.

Oh sod off Gagium. Glad to know that me "speaking for region" (I'm just a Senator and Justice lmao, not President) is such a bad thing.

Holy Rhinish Islands

Logon wrote:Oh sod off Gagium. Glad to know that me "speaking for region" (I'm just a Senator and Justice lmao, not President) is such a bad thing.

No, he has a point, I shouldn't have (unintentionally) kept him in the dark.

New Waldensia, Viridus, The Legion Of Mankind, Aumburg

My flag is lit since I made a custom one.

Viridus, Aumburg

Logon wrote:Oh sod off Gagium. Glad to know that me "speaking for region" (I'm just a Senator and Justice lmao, not President) is such a bad thing.

Sod

New Waldensia

Gagium West Africa wrote:I don't see how you can be confused about why I left on my main quite frankly

I don't see why you would leave unless it was either to escape or to meet SCI -- if it's either of those, my arguments stand all the stronger.

Raeltis wrote:By all accounts Gagium is guilty but I’d argue he’s more a victim of yet another irrational law passed by the Senate also COT I advise you do a bit of self reflection before criticizing Gag as only a few months ago you were begging us not to ban you for virtually the exact same offense

Ahem. I was "begging" (Not begging) for people to continue the investigation in to my suspected treason, and to let me provide suitable evidence that I wasn't treasonous. Once I eventually did provide evidence, I was cleared of treason (at least, to Gagium. I haven't shown the rest of the region yet) and Gagium saw a reason to unban me.

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The law passed wasn't "irrational". It was, at the time, the logical course of action. The LCN had been spying on us, and they were aware of an attack. So you can't be surprised that law was widely accepted. There have been attempts to remove it recently, but as you may or may not know (If I'm correct you're just some rando), the attempts failed democratically. In going against that democratic decision, Gagium was going against the will of the people -- the will of the people is something he has argued as being one of the FCN's greatest trump cards over his new region, the LCN.

Viridus

Hello all

New Waldensia, Viridus, The Cot Corporation

Tazlaan wrote:Hello all

Hullo.

Tazlaan

The Cot Corporation wrote:Hullo.

Hello.

I heard from a Gagium that there is a role play for this region. Is it any fun?

The Cot Corporation

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:I feel bad for me as well.

No surprise...

Tazlaan wrote:Hello.

I heard from a Gagium that there is a role play for this region. Is it any fun?

Yes, it is fun -- as long as you don't get in to a war with someone who has an autistic level of military knowledge (I have...). Currently the region is going through some trouble though so the RP will be on hold until tonight. If you join, I hope you have fun!

New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands, Tazlaan

The Cot Corporation wrote:Yes, it is fun -- as long as you don't get in to a war with someone who has an autistic level of military knowledge (I have...). Currently the region is going through some trouble though so the RP will be on hold until tonight. If you join, I hope you have fun!

Thanks! Hope you have fun too, man - in spite of the military might of autism.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

I haven't counted exactly, but we have a large amount of WA nations (~30) who have yet to endorse Delegate Knat.

If you have not endorsed Knat, please do so pronto.

Viridus, Trenado, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands, Knat, Tazlaan

The Cot Corporation wrote:(If I'm correct you're just some rando)

Bruh he literally said he was Ulrech

Viridus, Gagium West Africa, Fluvannia, Raeltis, Holy Rhinish Islands, Tazlaan, The Cot Corporation, Aumburg

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Bruh he literally said he was Ulrech

So the same applites

Viridus, The Cot Corporation

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:So the same applites

shoot that should say applies

The Cot Corporation

The Cot Corporation wrote:Ahem. I was "begging" (Not begging) for people to continue the investigation in to my suspected treason, and to let me provide suitable evidence that I wasn't treasonous. Once I eventually did provide evidence, I was cleared of treason (at least, to Gagium. I haven't shown the rest of the region yet) and Gagium saw a reason to unban me.

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The law passed wasn't "irrational". It was, at the time, the logical course of action. The LCN had been spying on us, and they were aware of an attack. So you can't be surprised that law was widely accepted. There have been attempts to remove it recently, but as you may or may not know (If I'm correct you're just some rando), the attempts failed democratically. In going against that democratic decision, Gagium was going against the will of the people -- the will of the people is something he has argued as being one of the FCN's greatest trump cards over his new region, the LCN.

First of all this is a puppet of Ulrech second of all regards of whether or not treason occurred you still joined and communicated with the LCN which if I’m not mistaken was still forbidden so no didn’t commit treason but neither did Gagium for doing virtually the same thing you did...I don’t know if you’re aware of this or not but the FCN has a tendency to either A) forget about laws they passed themselves or B) selectively enforce said laws and Gagium just so happened to get the short end of the stick here

New Waldensia, Gagium West Africa, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Aumburg

Gagium West Africa wrote:

that is true.

i can't find the original post tho so i'll have to stick with that lmao

Viridus, Gagium West Africa

Viridus wrote:Welcome to the FCN, the greatest region in NS.

New Waldensia, Viridus, The Cot Corporation

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:So the same applites

Nah

Gagium West Africa

Aleciton Lands wrote:*very somalian man annihilates Gagium* I am da founder now

So this is how it will happen

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Fluvannia, Tazlaan

I feel like I just walked into a barn fire of political upheaval, lol. Not to make light of any current in-house issues, but there’s no longer the founder, no vp, and it’s honestly dismaying. What plans, if any, are there for restructuring the hierarchy?

Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, The Cot Corporation

Frack wrote:I feel like I just walked into a barn fire of political upheaval, lol. Not to make light of any current in-house issues, but there’s no longer the founder, no vp, and it’s honestly dismaying. What plans, if any, are there for restructuring the hierarchy?

Soon. Senate is waiting to go to vote likely one last time later today.

New Waldensia, Viridus, The Cot Corporation, Frack

Frack wrote:I feel like I just walked into a barn fire of political upheaval, lol. Not to make light of any current in-house issues, but there’s no longer the founder, no vp, and it’s honestly dismaying. What plans, if any, are there for restructuring the hierarchy?

There will be a restructure.

Its just a shame, there are people who think certain people should be above the law.

Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

Raeltis wrote:First of all this is a puppet of Ulrech second of all regards of whether or not treason occurred you still joined and communicated with the LCN which if I’m not mistaken was still forbidden so no didn’t commit treason but neither did Gagium for doing virtually the same thing you did...I don’t know if you’re aware of this or not but the FCN has a tendency to either A) forget about laws they passed themselves or B) selectively enforce said laws and Gagium just so happened to get the short end of the stick here

Well, Ulrech... good to see you again? That isn't the point so I'll cut to the chase. Gagium and I did very different things. I joined the LCN discord recklessly to try and get revenge for spying and being aware of an attack. Gagium joined the LCN entirely seriously because he was angry a bill he wanted to pass failed. Then he seriously moved his main, Gagium, to the LCN. If you look at them, they're by no means "virtually the same".

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Also, if you're of the belief Gagium was the only one who was noticed/cared about by the senate, you'd be wrong.

Viridus

The Cot Corporation wrote:Well, Ulrech... good to see you again? That isn't the point so I'll cut to the chase. Gagium and I did very different things. I joined the LCN discord recklessly to try and get revenge for spying and being aware of an attack. Gagium joined the LCN entirely seriously because he was angry a bill he wanted to pass failed. Then he seriously moved his main, Gagium, to the LCN. If you look at them, they're by no means "virtually the same".

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Also, if you're of the belief Gagium was the only one who was noticed/cared about by the senate, you'd be wrong.

The motive isn’t really important in the regards to that law in particular....that being said I don’t blame him for leaving given the circumstances and just like you rushed to conclusions in the LCN spying issue and joined their discord here you are once again rushing to conclusions and calling for Gagium’s head...if an ex post facto law didn’t in the FCN I’d argue that if Gagium goes down you should suffer the same fate

Dragons Of Power

Raeltis wrote:The motive isn’t really important in the regards to that law in particular....that being said I don’t blame him for leaving given the circumstances and just like you rushed to conclusions in the LCN spying issue and joined their discord here you are once again rushing to conclusions and calling for Gagium’s head...if an ex post facto law didn’t in the FCN I’d argue that if Gagium goes down you should suffer the same fate

COT was banned and exiled from the region. Gagium was going to be removed from the Senate until he left the LCN server.

Viridus, Creeperopolis 2, The Cot Corporation

As I have stated, as far as the law covers, Gagium would not be banned from the region/server under SB-11-06.

There's been talk of an executive order that bans all contact between the two regions, but as it was issued on the previous Discord server (destroyed under the aegis of a certain region, ironically enough), I find that hard to enforce when the text itself is unclear.

Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation, Logon

Fluvannia wrote:As I have stated, as far as the law covers, Gagium would not be banned from the region/server under SB-11-06.

There's been talk of an executive order that bans all contact between the two regions, but as it was issued on the previous Discord server (destroyed under the aegis of a certain region, ironically enough), I find that hard to enforce when the text itself is unclear.

I told myself I wasn't going to say anything else on this RMB but this post has me really, really ticked off. First of all, the executive order is right here, on this RMB:

New Gandor wrote:Executive Order 70219

It pains me to type this order but its something that needs to be done. Recently there has been arguments and disputes between the members of the FCN and LCN. I'm not sure who started what or why it continues. Both regions created a treaty to address concerns on both sides and it was thought it had worked. It pained me to hear from my own cabinet that arguments still continue. I have no choice but to type this order for the betterment of both regions.

This order is for the betterment of both regions

Seeing that relations with the LCN continue to be hostile.

Noting that peaceful negotiations were taken "the 5 points", and how this hasn't worked.

Appaled at how arguments and disputes continue on both sides

Hereby,

I. The embassy between the FCN and LCN shall be closed effective immediately.

II. All LCN ambassadors, residents, and citizens be removed from the FCN, including discord (roles and people removed). Effective immediately.

III. All FCN citizens, residents, and ambassadors leave the LCN, and their discord. Effective immediately.

Secondly, has this region not used this executive order to ban San Carlos Islands and Aglonia since the server was destroyed? You're just backpedalling and poorly attempting damage control.

And for the part that has me mad:

Fluvannia wrote:the previous Discord server (destroyed under the aegis of a certain region, ironically enough)

Could you straight up stop lying? The fact that nobody in this region wishes to correct such myths and is fine letting people believe this to aid their narrative is a concerning level of dishonesty.

Doge Republics destroyed your server on December 17th I believe. Doge Republics was dismissed both from the Council of the Republic as Director of the LCNIA on December 16th. He was banned from the server prior for repeat rule violations. He had no affiliation to the LCN government at the time of the attack. Even if he had, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE LCN SPONSORED OR AUTHORIZED THE ATTACK, because we didn't.

Come up with some better propaganda.

Washingtonian Republic, Dragons Of Power

The Conservative States Of New America wrote:I told myself I wasn't going to say anything else on this RMB but this post has me really, really ticked off. First of all, the executive order is right here, on this RMB:

Secondly, has this region not used this executive order to ban San Carlos Islands and Aglonia since the server was destroyed? You're just backpedalling and poorly attempting damage control.

And for the part that has me mad:

Could you straight up stop lying? The fact that nobody in this region wishes to correct such myths and is fine letting people believe this to aid their narrative is a concerning level of dishonesty.

Doge Republics destroyed your server on December 17th I believe. Doge Republics was dismissed both from the Council of the Republic as Director of the LCNIA on December 16th. He was banned from the server prior for repeat rule violations. He had no affiliation to the LCN government at the time of the attack. Even if he had, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE LCN SPONSORED OR AUTHORIZED THE ATTACK, because we didn't.

Come up with some better propaganda.

Uwu apologize and resign for me.

Real talk though, you did spy on us which was not bueno.

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

Logon wrote:Uwu apologize and resign for me.

Real talk though, you did spy on us which was not bueno.

We did spy, yes. Nobody is denying that.

But there are the important distinctions in that the spying was concluded by the time of the attack and in that we did not authorize nor sponsor the attack.

EDIT: You also say "us" as if the spying didn't end over a month before you joined the FCN.

Washingtonian Republic, Dragons Of Power

The Conservative States Of New America wrote:First of all, the executive order is right here, on this RMB:

So...are you advocating I ignore the EO and override the laws of our region like some sort of authoritarian, or advocating I follow the EO and ban Gagium so you can point and cry Authoritarianism? Make up your mind already.

Secondly, has this region not used this executive order to ban San Carlos Islands and Aglonia since the server was destroyed? You're just backpedalling and poorly attempting damage control.

Aglonia was actually banned for conspiring with a foreign region in an attempt to sway a presidential election, which is an event where people exercise their right to self-determination, for the unaware. For someone who claims others are ignorant of his region's mechanisms, you seem to do an awful lot of projecting.

And for the part that has me mad:

I've angered a self-important, paternalistic teenager on the Internet? How will I ever survive? People will make you mad sometimes. Heaven help those around you if you don't learn to deal with it soon.

Could you straight up stop lying? The fact that nobody in this region wishes to correct such myths and is fine letting people believe this to aid their narrative is a concerning level of dishonesty. Doge Republics destroyed your server on December 17th I believe. Doge Republics was dismissed both from the Council of the Republic as Director of the LCNIA on December 16th. He was banned from the server prior for repeat rule violations. He had no affiliation to the LCN government at the time of the attack. Even if he had, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE LCN SPONSORED OR AUTHORIZED THE ATTACK, because we didn't. Come up with some better propaganda.

I seem to recall similar denials of the spying only for you to finally own up to it, so forgive me for not buying into the claims that the LCN authorized the attack.

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Raeltis, Holy Rhinish Islands

Fluvannia wrote:So...are you advocating I ignore the EO and override the laws of our region like some sort of authoritarian, or advocating I follow the EO and ban Gagium so you can point and cry Authoritarianism? Make up your mind already.

Secondly, has this region not used this executive order to ban San Carlos Islands and Aglonia since the server was destroyed? You're just backpedalling and poorly attempting damage control.

Aglonia was actually banned for conspiring with a foreign region in an attempt to sway a presidential election, which is an event where people exercise their right to self-determination, for the unaware. For someone who claims others are ignorant of his region's mechanisms, you seem to do an awful lot of projecting.

And for the part that has me mad:

I've angered a self-important, paternalistic teenager on the Internet? How will I ever survive? People will make you mad sometimes. Heaven help those around you if you don't learn to deal with it soon.

Could you straight up stop lying? The fact that nobody in this region wishes to correct such myths and is fine letting people believe this to aid their narrative is a concerning level of dishonesty. Doge Republics destroyed your server on December 17th I believe. Doge Republics was dismissed both from the Council of the Republic as Director of the LCNIA on December 16th. He was banned from the server prior for repeat rule violations. He had no affiliation to the LCN government at the time of the attack. Even if he had, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE LCN SPONSORED OR AUTHORIZED THE ATTACK, because we didn't. Come up with some better propaganda.

I seem to recall similar denials of the spying only for you to finally own up to it, so forgive me for not buying into the claims that the LCN authorized the attack.

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Viridus, Fluvannia

Fluvannia wrote:Aglonia was actually banned for conspiring with a foreign region in an attempt to sway a presidential election, which is an event where people exercise their right to self-determination, for the unaware. For someone who claims others are ignorant of his region's mechanisms, you seem to do an awful lot of projecting.

No, he's referring to Aglonia's ban by Bastion for joining the LCN discord that you approved as a justice I believe - Aggy was still on that ban until I pardoned him..This doesn't address SCI's ban at all

The Conservative States Of New America, Washingtonian Republic, Dragons Of Power

Fluvannia wrote:So...are you advocating I ignore the EO and override the laws of our region like some sort of authoritarian, or advocating I follow the EO and ban Gagium so you can point and cry Authoritarianism? Make up your mind already.

Secondly, has this region not used this executive order to ban San Carlos Islands and Aglonia since the server was destroyed? You're just backpedalling and poorly attempting damage control.

Aglonia was actually banned for conspiring with a foreign region in an attempt to sway a presidential election, which is an event where people exercise their right to self-determination, for the unaware. For someone who claims others are ignorant of his region's mechanisms, you seem to do an awful lot of projecting.

And for the part that has me mad:

I've angered a self-important, paternalistic teenager on the Internet? How will I ever survive? People will make you mad sometimes. Heaven help those around you if you don't learn to deal with it soon.

Could you straight up stop lying? The fact that nobody in this region wishes to correct such myths and is fine letting people believe this to aid their narrative is a concerning level of dishonesty. Doge Republics destroyed your server on December 17th I believe. Doge Republics was dismissed both from the Council of the Republic as Director of the LCNIA on December 16th. He was banned from the server prior for repeat rule violations. He had no affiliation to the LCN government at the time of the attack. Even if he had, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE LCN SPONSORED OR AUTHORIZED THE ATTACK, because we didn't. Come up with some better propaganda.

I seem to recall similar denials of the spying only for you to finally own up to it, so forgive me for not buying into the claims that the LCN authorized the attack.

The MDA be kinda authoritarian

Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:The MDA be kinda authoritarian

Damn, they got to you guys fast. :sadcowboydabs:

Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

Gagium West Africa wrote:No, he's referring to Aglonia's ban by Bastion for joining the LCN discord that you approved as a justice I believe - Aggy was still on that ban until I pardoned him..This doesn't address SCI's ban at all

At least from our court channel:

"As Viridus ... and I noted on the roleplay server, Aggy's ban flew under the radar on us a bit with everything else that was going on at the time. That said, the Executive Order that banned him stated it was only in effect for one week, after which it self-repealed. So at this point in time -- and given that the President who issued the EO is no longer in the region -- the point is essentially moot.

Gagium has asked about the legality of the first time Aglonia was banned but I'm not seeing another such instance in the server's history, so until he can provide further details I don't have another ban to even consider, much less rule on."

Edit: So it wasn't really approval, more...acknowledgement that the period it was in effect, right or wrong, was over, and we couldn't even admonish the person that passed it were it an overreach.

Viridus, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power

Post self-deleted by The Legion Of Mankind.

Fluvannia wrote:Damn, they got to you guys fast. :sadcowboydabs:

No we were always that

Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:No we were always that

I mean how do you expect how I have stayed in power for...... about 2 years now and...... only my friends are in Officer positions

Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power

Fluvannia wrote:So...are you advocating I ignore the EO and override the laws of our region like some sort of authoritarian, or advocating I follow the EO and ban Gagium so you can point and cry Authoritarianism? Make up your mind already.

Do what you want bud, but stand by it. You're avoiding the decision by going "oh, well we don't have the text." Do what you think is the right thing to do, you're President, not me. It looks like your hands are tied between enforcing an authoritarian law and ignoring the law. That's your problem.

Fluvannia wrote:Aglonia was actually banned for conspiring with a foreign region in an attempt to sway a presidential election, which is an event where people exercise their right to self-determination, for the unaware. For someone who claims others are ignorant of his region's mechanisms, you seem to do an awful lot of projecting.

Nice jab, but we have monthly Council nominations and electoral confirmation. Also, see Gagium's post.

Fluvannia wrote:I've angered a self-important, paternalistic teenager on the Internet? How will I ever survive? People will make you mad sometimes. Heaven help those around you if you don't learn to deal with it soon.

Dang bro, that really reads like something Okasian would say. Just because I'm not going to take libel without calling it out doesn't mean I can't "deal with" people making me mad, lol.

Fluvannia wrote:I seem to recall similar denials of the spying only for you to finally own up to it, so forgive me for not buying into the claims that the LCN authorized the attack.

But like, do you have proof?

Because I can pull statements from as far back as January 26th/27th in which I disclose the spying publicly. And is there an ounce of proof that we authorized the attack? Or can you just declare us guilty with no evidence? Pretty characteristic of an authoritarian.

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The Conservative States Of New America wrote:Do what you want bud, but stand by it. You're avoiding the decision by going "oh, well we don't have the text." Do what you think is the right thing to do, you're President, not me. It looks like your hands are tied between enforcing an authoritarian law and ignoring the law. That's your problem.

As a matter of fact, at the time, no, I did not have the text. Now I do, and I support getting rid of that law (something that will be happening shortly).

Nice jab, but we have monthly Council nominations and electoral confirmation. Also, see Gagium's post.

I was referring to your highest executive, a triumvirate that as previously noted, selects its own members. You can't have forgotten yesterday already, though you apparently missed where I addressed Gagium's post above, so...

Dang bro, that really reads like something Okasian would say. Just because I'm not going to take libel without calling it out doesn't mean I can't "deal with" people making me mad, lol.

One, comparing me to Okasian is a neutral statement as far as I'm concerned. Two, libel would require my statements to be untrue.

But like, do you have proof? Because I can pull statements from as far back as January 26th/27th in which I disclose the spying publicly. And is there an ounce of proof that we authorized the attack? Or can you just declare us guilty with no evidence? Pretty characteristic of an authoritarian.

As I am not privy to your server's innermost channels, no, I don't (well, not enough anyway), nor do I expect you to self-incriminate.

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

It should be noted that an enemy nation using a puppet account based in a region with which we have an embassy in order to circumvent our lack of embassy with their main region is held to be in violation of Article IV, Section XV of the FCN Constitution. Previous posts will be left to stand as a mark of shame upon the belligerent who posted them.

Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Charleotopia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, Kujawy

Post by The Conservative States Of New America suppressed by Fluvannia.

Fluvannia wrote:

The notion that we attacked, or authorized the attack of the server is untrue, thus, libel.

Fluvannia wrote:It should be noted that an enemy nation using a puppet account based in a region with which we have an embassy in order to circumvent our lack of embassy with their main region is held to be in violation of Article IV, Section XV of the FCN Constitution. Previous posts will be left to stand as a mark of shame upon the belligerent who posted them.

Ah so you know how to enforce your own laws when you want to... got it. At least you're confronting the situation here. Anyway, I'm out, kinda surprised I made it this far. Byeee.

Washingtonian Republic

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:I mean how do you expect how I have stayed in power for...... about 2 years now and...... only my friends are in Officer positions

:scream:

Viridus, Gagium West Africa, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:The MDA be kinda authoritarian

Okay authoritarian

Washingtonian Republic, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

Gagium West Africa wrote:Okay authoritarian

They say it be kinda like it is, and it do.

Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

I think Quebecshire here is of the opinion that because he acknowledged the spying in a speech, it's okay... what a stupid view. You know, Hitler talked about the Holocaust a lot... and that doesn't make it any better or any less real. If you're going to come over here, at least come here to apologise. Just because the past is the past doesn't mean the past doesn't affect the present.

Viridus, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands

The Cot Corporation wrote:I think Quebecshire here is of the opinion that because he acknowledged the spying in a speech, it's okay... what a stupid view. You know, Hitler talked about the Holocaust a lot... and that doesn't make it any better or any less real. If you're going to come over here, at least come here to apologise (sic). Just because the past is the past doesn't mean the past doesn't affect the present.

As I have stated, I am more than supportive of trying to bury the hatchet. It's a hell of a lot easier to just acknowledge that the other region exists, leave each other alone, maybe even crack a joke in mutual servers like MDA or NWE. But when regions send people to our Discord and our RMB to harass us and spam government offices (or tacitly condone it by looking the other way)...that makes it pretty hard to want to forgive and forget, you know?

New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

The Cot Corporation wrote:I think Quebecshire here is of the opinion that because he acknowledged the spying in a speech, it's okay... what a stupid view. You know, Hitler talked about the Holocaust a lot... and that doesn't make it any better or any less real. If you're going to come over here, at least come here to apologise. Just because the past is the past doesn't mean the past doesn't affect the present.

apologize*

Viridus, Fluvannia, The Cot Corporation

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:apologize*

That's why I marked it as "sic".

Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands

Fluvannia wrote:That's why I marked it as "sic".

Didn't catch that. Cheeky.

Viridus, Fluvannia

LMAO Quebecshire said I compared him to Hitler. B*tch you ever heard of an example? You display such a blatant ignorance for such simple things I'm starting to believe you're doing it on purpose... oh wait.

Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands

The Cot Corporation wrote:LMAO Quebecshire said I compared him to Hitler. B*tch you ever heard of a metaphor? You display such a blatant ignorance for such simple things I'm starting to believe you're doing it on purpose... oh wait.

Alright, take a second and inhale. Yes, he's overstating the degree to which you've contrasted them, no reason to stoop to his level though.

Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

Fluvannia wrote:Alright, take a second and inhale. Yes, he's overstating the degree to which you've contrasted them, no reason to stoop to his level though.

Fine fine. i'd also just like to point out to him that I had metaphors on the brain from having an argument off-NS so I accidentally used the word. What i meant was example, which it has been changed to. Sorry for the inconvenience, Quebecshire

Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

So can we reach 2000 pages before this dies?

New Waldensia, Viridus, Trenado, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:So can we reach 2000 pages before this dies?

That's a lot of spam...

This just means we get to do milestones over!

New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation

#ROADTO2000

New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands

Holy Rhinish Islands wrote:So can we reach 2000 pages before this dies?

Fluvannia wrote:That's a lot of spam...

This just means we get to do milestones over!

The Cot Corporation wrote:#ROADTO2000

The MDA will assist if needed be, lots of RMB pages and getting many are our specialty.

Viridus, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands

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