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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations
Nations of the FCN, please vote in the opinion poll, as a Senator it is my responsibility to do what's best for the region and most importantly, to protect nations that aren't in the Senate and maybe even not on the regional Discord: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=129607
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Yes means we should allow communism, right? Because if communism gets banned again you guys are gonna force me to leave, huh? This is an important poll for my nation.
Gagium, Lalop
Have we forced you to leave at all?
Creeperopolis, Gagium
We should have, yet didn't you say that you weren't really a communist? Anyways, the idea from the start was to allow the Senate and/or the President to pardon specific nations for specific purposes, unfortunately it didn't last as Gagium was unaware of the fact that he didn't have executive orders at that point (and he's out of 'em right now too)
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Not yet, but I need to confirm what Im voting for, because I may forced out by some of the more extreme nations if this poll goes against me, so I need to know, does saying yes to this poll agree to allow communism, or ban communism?
Gagium
(Refer to my second post). And, the question is "Do you want to allow communism in here" yes or no
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Alright, thanks
Viridus, Gagium
"DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM" -Liberty Prime
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
Communism and socialism is a poison. Being that we are in fact a conservative region, the existence of it here is frightening
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, New Alaskans
What's even more frightening is that the supposed "anti-communist" "Conservative" party is the one voting to allow them here
Creeperopolis, Gagium
It seems like we have a lot of posers. The devils are infiltrating left and right.
Viridus, Gagium, New Alaskans
Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.
When communism is literally a thousand times worse than liberalism
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Lalop
Yeah, problem here is: There's one person trying to speak for a whole political party.
Gagium
Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.
Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.
You talking about the Nazis?
Gagium
Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.
Whether I agree with that or not, being conservative to me means supporting freedom. Even if that is the freedom to support a dumb ideology. If we forcefully out those we disagree with are we any better than the lefties?
New Waldensia, Gagium, Doge Republics
Its gonna be real hard for me to stay here if you guys decide to ban communism. Arent you guys about political freedom? Arent you guys trying to have an enviornment that doesnt descriminate? Im not here to sew dissent, just take a look at the CPFCN that was created by me, its pro democratic, anti-Fascist, what else do guys want? Sure, be careful with the Communist Nations, but dont ban them!
New Waldensia, Gagium, Lalop
Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.
Idk, I see it more as an issue of regional security and plus real conservative nations will probably leave because of commies
Gagium, New Alaskans
Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.
Im talking just our region. We are a CONSERVATIVE region. It would be different if we werent..
Viridus, Gagium, New Alaskans
This is exactly the same for me.
Gagium, New Alaskans
If the region bans communism,it will spell as the death of political freedoms in the region.
Gagium, Laka Strolistandiler
Communism has been banned in the region until yesterday
Viridus, Coastal English Districts, New Alaskans
If we ban political freedoms it makes us no better then commies themselves.
Confederate Commonwealths, Gagium, Laka Strolistandiler
Yes,but there was no communists in the region so there was no problem.
Reunited Soviets has been in the region for longer than yesterday?
Viridus, Lalop
You know who did not let opposing groups in there country. The USSR,China,Cuba and Nazi germany. Great counties for us to be modeling our region off of... NOT!
Confederate Commonwealths, Gagium
If we allow them in it can open doors to conversations that can show them how we really think. Maybe change come minds. But I will have to agree with you when it comes to security. We can't allow communist regions to get a foothold here. Honestly i'm torn.
Viridus, Gagium, Laka Strolistandiler, Lee America, Lalop
Once he came we were drawing up the bill,and sorting things out,there was also confusion if he was going to stay or not.
Gagium
You know who let commies into their nation? USSR, China and Nazi Germany. Can you guess what happened next? Genocide
Gagium, Lee America
because it was banned chief...
Viridus, Gagium
As a compromise,we can put all communists under surveillance-eg my senate bill.
Gagium
I dont necessarily care about the outcome of this too much, Ill be fine with either decision, however, when comparing a democratic nationstates region of about 125 to real-life authoritarian nations of several million, keep in mind that were a community that is intended for conservatives/right-wing nations and communists have been our enemy for as long as I could remember, and that banjecting/ejecting communists in a game is different than executing/killing political dissidents irl
Viridus, Coastal English Districts, New Alaskans, Lalop
I've already got a compromise bill ready, just waiting for my first bill to pass
Gagium, New Alaskans, Lalop
Well said lmao
Gagium
America lets communists in the country. In fact,there is even a tiny communist party. And you would agree,that america is a shining city on a hill.
Gagium
Isn't there a bill from the 60s that bans all communist parties?
Gagium
Look up communist party USA. Tiny but it exists.
Gagium
Can we see the contents of said bill? If its ready?
Viridus, Gagium
Oh, and I'm just remembering a communist organization... it's on the tip of my tongue... hmm... oh that's right, Antifa
Gagium, New Alaskans, Lalop
Yes, but it's not enforced
Viridus, Gagium
It's too early to propose it
Gagium
(AKA Hypocrisy Gang)
Viridus, Gagium
The anti-fascist fascists
Gagium, New Alaskans, Laka Strolistandiler
Whats with all these goddamned protestors in the Gallery? Arrest them
The sergeant-in-arms has restored order in the gallery
The sergeant-in-arms will restore order in the gallery
Me rn
Viridus, New Alaskans
Haha so true
Viridus, Gagium
By the way, almost 300 RMB pages now, gg
New Waldensia, Gagium, New Alaskans
This is about the region dammit. Stop treating it like an actual nation, and like a region. We are a region of conservatives, and communism goes against conservative values. If we really want to survive in this liberal run nation states, then measures to defend our region from the likes of the commies must be enforced.
Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Rivine, New Alaskans, Gran Argreriana
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Viridus
Im all for freedom. Hell, some of the policies in the nations here Ive endorsed I cant agree with, but I still endorsed. This is not an issue of freedom and democracy, but of the well being of our region.
Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, New Alaskans
Plus NS policies and stats are mostly inaccurate
Gagium, New Alaskans, Lee America
Conservative regions should be an example to those who find themselves on the left side of the political compass. If we empliment the same tactics of suppression and thought control how are we any better then the communists? We can't claim any moral or political high ground if we are just as oppressive as the nations and ideologies we claim to oppose. I totally disagree with the ideology of communism, but if we stoop to their level then we become just as bad as they are. If we use the same tactics as the communists we become hypocrites. This is why I believe we should not ban communism or communists from our region.
Gagium, New Alaskans, Lalop
It's not like we're committing genocide and killing over 100 million people. Plus, they just can't be in the region, we don't suppress posts
Gagium, Lalop
The Communist nations on this site aren't committing genocide either. Do you want to debate about Nation States or real life? Stop flip-flopping when its convenient for you. Plus saying that you don't suppress posts is ridiculous. Of course you're not suppressing posts because if you don't let people you disagree with join the region you don't have anything to suppress. By banning communist regions, you are preventing discussion and indirectly suppressing ideas. I also would like to know what this bill would mean for communist nations already in the region. Will they be banned? If they are allowed to stay will they be allowed to participate in regional discussion? If they are banned, again you are preventing people from just have a discussion. If you prevent them from talking about communism, then you are suppressing posts. You can't ban an ideology and try to maintain a moral high ground. Either you want to show the freedoms that go hand in hand with conservative ideals, or you admit that you are just as extreme as communist nations.
Gagium
Grabs extremely buttered popcorn
Creeperopolis
Very interesting debate going on..Im honestly split
Coastal English Districts
Alright, so heres the thing, its obvious Im going to advocate for this bill. And most of you probably dont agree with the Unions Policies, or past, but I assure you my hostilities dont go toward this region, it goes toward nations such as the The Enclave Region Of The Ussd, Im trying to integrate myself in the Federation, and note Im not trying to start a coup in the region as that other nation/region did, and Ive been here for a few days, and so far Im not impressed, my communist party isnt even a standard communist party, so whats the big deal here? Are you afraid Im gonna cause more issues? Why would I? I have no reason to damage the region, I just wanna be part of it, sure, be careful with the Communist regions, but dont ban them!
New Waldensia, Gagium, Lalop
Seems Viridus proposed a bill that allows the president to pardon people, but bans communism.
Gagium, Rivine
My hangup on the issue is, is it consistent with conservative principles to outright ban an ideology?
Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley, Coastal English Districts
News from the TEA party
The tea party,the biggest libertarian group in the FCN has added 2 more WA members! They are Confederate Commonwealths and Korechislovska! Long live liberty of all kinds!
Confederate Farmers, Confederate Commonwealths, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine
factboock also updated.
Confederate Farmers, Gagium
Cool!
I would say it's more of a NP thing than a CP thing.
Gagium
My opinion is if we ban communism, we ban fascism too. We're talking about extreme ideologies, which meet if you refer to the horseshoe effect analogy. I think we should allow moderates, centrists, right and left wingers as these are opinions which can coexist. Fascism and communism are anti democracy and do not mix with the other opinions/ideologies stated above. In fact it can soften said views to those of the extreme, which is a threat. I would agree it would be right to pardon such individuals as the nation concerned in this debate, whose said themselves, we reserve the right to keep an eye on such nations which may flag up security concerns.
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Turghan
Any government ideology which threatens Democracy should go. Now, as for the case for Reunited Soviets, they haven't posed a threat to the region nor sent their flying monkeys to drop Pro-Communist leaflets in our telegram boxes. Besides, I believe RS mentioned that they are just Communist for the game's sake. But all that aside, if it's fascist or commie and blatantly so...it goes bye bye.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Lee America
As conservatives we should be above the left in terms of acceptance we must allow reigons with communism but we have to make sure they aren't serious this guy's just playing a game messing around he's not a Stalin and he is respectable as a person but its up to everyone I could take it or leave it
Viridus, Gagium, Turghan
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1104426
Upvote this!
The Proposal Failed Terribly!
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts
I feel my bill idea was a good compromise that can be adjusted. It doesn't give foreign ideological nations control over the region but it allows them to participate in it which is the goal I would hope we are all after. Plus if we ever feel like it isn't working like we thought we can always repeal it.
Coastal English Districts
So, how is y'all?
Viridus
New Waldensia where does the conservative party and your campaign stand on the communist acceptance issue? Do you stand with political freedoms?
Pretty good, we've had a spike in active members recently
Coastal English Districts, Marximburg, Lalop
TEA party Campaign ad 2
Vote TEA in October,or your political freedoms will be over!
TEA Party:The biggest pro civil liberties party in the FCN
LIBERTY OR DEATH!
Confederate Commonwealths, Gagium
As an Englishman, I find your use of Tea propaganda much disturbing...
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Lalop, Bamgo
American tea party,not real tea,lol.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts
Part of conservative values is free speech and the refusal to violently oppose that which you do not agree with by controlling dialogue and thought. But I do not see this as synonymous with keeping communists out.
Any nation or region, conservative or otherwise, has laws set in order to maintain peace and stability. The fact that they prohibit certain behaviours doesn't not mean they're oppressive in nature. To use a very common example, murder is illegal virtually everywhere. Only in the most radical, pedantic mind does that constitute a limit or suppression of freedom. Likewise, communism is an inherently murderous and violent ideology. It leads to nothing but suppression and poverty. In literally every instance it has been attempted, regardless of location, culture, or era, it has led to mass suffering and death. Thought control and oppression on a scale unseen in human history. Keeping something like that out after studying its history and belief system isn't exclusionary so much as it is rational.
Banning its discussion or even mention would be against conservative values, although I don't think that's the issue here.
New around here by the way, seems like a nice place to hang out. Most regions I've been to have been awful
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium
That sounds an awfully lot like scare tactics to me..
Vote TEA or your political freedoms will be over
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Freezic Vast
Your taking campaigning very seriously
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Lalop
Ive got one question for all of you, whats with the Union Of Conservative States? From what I can see you guys dont get along too well
Gagium, Coastal English Districts
1. It's a region built by the traitorous scum of our region
2. It's a region built by the criminals that broke the law over a game
3. It's a region built by the dudes that used multiple WA accounts to try to use the WA to get revenge on us for kicking them out
Creeperopolis, Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Gagium, Lalop
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1093039
here is all you need to know
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts
in my opinion, VOTE FOR THE NATIONALIST PARTY! DON'T ALLOW THE REDS TO INFILTRATE! RATHER DEAD THAN RED!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts
Would you like to join the Nationalist Party? lol
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Coastal English Districts
You should join. We're RP allies anyway
Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Gran Argreriana
Post self-deleted by Gagium.
Post self-deleted by [nation=noflag]Gagium[/nation].
K
Viridus, Gagium
Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.
Gagium Did you mention me?
Viridus, Gagium
Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.
And also Creeperopolis pls give Gagium my question. I need the answer, He didn't asnwer me.
Gagium
You want to get yourself deleted from NS like your idol, CK?
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium, Lermantian Army
no u
Gagium
Guelder and New Waldensia are running against each other in the primary!!!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts
Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.
Wow, People trying to allow communism in the FCN. That's sad...
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
Wow, I didn't realize that Guelder was still active, best of luck to both of 'em though
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium
Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.
No Thanks, I'm just a little curious
Gagium
is Guelder an independent?
Gagium, Coastal English Districts
Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.
Gonna leave y'all Bye!
New Waldensia, Gagium
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