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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations

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Ulrech wrote:I just noticed you put yourself in the party hall of fame lmao

Obama moment

Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium

I recently joined (like right now) so hi btw ik the federation of the COT cooperation

Viridus, Gagium, Anti Communist Region

Hes a friend of ours

Gagium, People Of Cot, Anti Communist Region

Also New Waldensia

Make sure to approve my repeal I want it passed

Viridus, Gagium, People Of Cot, Anti Communist Region

The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire wrote:Wow, cool dispatch!

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Obama moment

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Emerisis

Upvote these dispatches!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1293285

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1293280

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, Emerisis, The Gamer Collective, People Of Cot

New Waldensia wrote:-snip-

Nicely done. I was actually not going to vote in favor until I read the first one.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

The Cot Corporation wrote:Hes a friend of ours

Gagium, People Of Cot

Hi, just joined thought it would be cool here.

Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Milenko, People Of Cot

Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Anti Communist Region

Well hello the people of cot

Tesyky, Gagium, Milenko, People Of Cot

Anti Communist Region wrote:Well hello the people of cot

Hello Anti communist region

Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Milenko, Anti Communist Region

Anyone else get the feeling that socialists and communists consistently throw out the baby with the bathwater

Tesyky, Gagium, People Of Cot

Freethinkers wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that socialists and communists consistently throw out the baby with the bathwater

No

Tesyky, Gagium, Freethinkers

The Leftist Assembly has banjected someone for being a transphobe because they used the term 'transgender' instead of 'transsexual'.

we live in a society

Ulrech, Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Tesyky, Viridus, Mietkael, 00Ferland, The Cot Corporation, The Gamer Collective

Gagium wrote:The Leftist Assembly has banjected someone for being a transphobe because they used the term 'transgender' instead of 'transsexual'.

we live in a society

we live in a society is my national moto

Tesyky, Gagium

Gagium wrote:The Leftist Assembly has banjected someone for being a transphobe because they used the term 'transgender' instead of 'transsexual'.

we live in a society

It was more than that

Liberated American Provinces, Tesyky, Gagium

Ulrech wrote:It was more than that

Right, they also said that they didn't care about using the "wrong" term. Oof, clearly a transphobic person in the making

Ulrech, Liberated American Provinces, Tesyky, Viridus

“Honestly, I couldn't care less. You're transitioning from one sex to another, so you're transsexuals.

Yeah, transgender is a bit if a wrong term since gender is determined by chromosomes and can't be changed but ehh, used to people like you being called that, so I used it out of force of habit.”

This is the message people took offense to

Liberated American Provinces, Tesyky, Gagium

Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.

Furbish Islands wrote:He got it backwards. Sex is determined by the chromosomes and PP, and gender is what can be changed. However, they could have politely explained that to him rather than banjecting.

It’s a similar principle to what we have in regards to fascism..we don’t politely explain we ban them

Furbish Islands, Gagium

Furbish Islands wrote:However, they could have politely explained that to him rather than banjecting.

Now why would anyone do that?

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium

Ulrech wrote:“Honestly, I couldn't care less. You're transitioning from one sex to another, so you're transsexuals.

Yeah, transgender is a bit if a wrong term since gender is determined by chromosomes and can't be changed but ehh, used to people like you being called that, so I used it out of force of habit.”

This is the message people took offense to

Mhm?

Viridus

Ulrech wrote:It’s a similar principle to what we have in regards to fascism..we don’t politely explain we ban them

Which is an absolutely cancerous policy

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Which is an absolutely cancerous policy

I’m going to disagree with you there...we clearly aren’t a region for everyone...it isn’t our job to accept all ideologies

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, The Cot Corporation

Ulrech wrote:I’m going to disagree with you there...we clearly aren’t a region for everyone...it isn’t our job to accept all ideologies

I understand, but we also claim to be a region that supports freedom of speech. If we can't tolerate freedom of speech in our own region, then how can we be pro-free speech?

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Which is an absolutely cancerous policy

Also there are some ideologies that shouldn’t be entertained in any regard...fascism is one of those

Gagium

Ulrech wrote:Also there are some ideologies that shouldn’t be entertained in any regard...fascism is one of those

Yes, fascism bad. Banning free speech and free thought, also bad.

Gagium

Ulrech wrote:Also there are some ideologies that shouldn’t be entertained in any regard...fascism is one of those

Communism is another

Liberated American Provinces wrote:I understand, but we also claim to be a region that supports freedom of speech. If we can't tolerate freedom of speech in our own region, then how can we be pro-free speech?

Should we have rules?

Ulrech, Viridus

Liberated American Provinces wrote:I understand, but we also claim to be a region that supports freedom of speech. If we can't tolerate freedom of speech in our own region, then how can we be pro-free speech?
Supporting freedom of speech is a slippery slope...but there’s a difference in being able to say whatever you want and being able to say whatever you want without consequences...you’re free to promote fascist ideologies but you’ll be banned for it simple as that

Viridus, Gagium

Gagium wrote:Should we have rules?

I think the site rules lay out enough guidelines for what can or cannot be said.

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:I understand, but we also claim to be a region that supports freedom of speech. If we can't tolerate freedom of speech in our own region, then how can we be pro-free speech?

Agreed. Really nations that join should check their ideologies before joining, but then again conservatism isn't always the same

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Yes, fascism bad. Banning free speech and free thought, also bad.

"banning free thought" Lmao what?

Viridus

Liberated American Provinces wrote:I think the site rules lay out enough guidelines for what can or cannot be said.

So you do not believe we should have rules?

Viridus

Ulrech wrote:Supporting freedom of speech is a slippery slope...but there’s a difference in being able to say whatever you want and being able to say whatever you want without consequences...you’re free to promote fascist ideologies but you’ll be banned for it simple as that

Then that's not freedom of speech . . .

Gagium

Gagium wrote:So you do not believe we should have rules?

Regarding what people can say, no not particularly.

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Then that's not freedom of speech . . .

A) That’s debatable

B) Don’t act as if we have the authority to make this region have absolute freedom of speech

Viridus, Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Regarding what people can say, no not particularly.

Why?

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Regarding what people can say, no not particularly.

Yikes

Viridus, Gagium

Ulrech wrote:A) That’s debatable

B) Don’t act as if we have the authority to make this region have absolute freedom of speech

Please explain. And I'm not; I literally just said the site rules are fine.

Gagium wrote:Why?

Why should we?

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Please explain. And I'm not; I literally just said the site rules are fine.

Why should we?

So basically you don't think we should have rules because "why should we?" ?

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Please explain. And I'm not; I literally just said the site rules are fine.

But they prevent free speech!

Viridus

Gagium wrote:So basically you don't think we should have rules because "why should we?" ?

We are a privately controlled piece of a privately owned website, so obviously having rules like the CCA and FCA don't violate freedom of speech. That being said, this is a politcally-themed region and our members generally consider themselves pro-free speech. Therefore, out of principle, the region should not have additional rules restricting free speech outside of the site rules. I hope that makes my view clear.

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:We are a privately controlled piece of a privately owned website

You have that right, the FCN is a privately controlled and operated region!

Liberated American Provinces wrote:That being said, this is a politcally-themed region

Yes, we certainly are a conservative-oriented region, I'm glad you understood that much

Liberated American Provinces wrote:our members generally consider themselves pro-free speech.

Mhm, we do believe in free speech in the real world..

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Therefore, out of principle, the region should not have additional rules restricting free speech

But this isn't the real world ; As you stated, we're a private, politically-oriented region. As a conservative (Or, in the least, democratic/right-leaning) region, why should we allow those who don't advocate for what we do? We clearly market ourselves as a conservative region - Fascism and communism is inherently opposed to our member's beliefs, and as such communists and fascists don't have a right to be here in the first place, so why should they have freedom of speech? (I believe fascism/communism being banned is what started the freedom of speech debate?)

The NationStates forums are where you go if you want to see free speech and talk to anyone you want, but our region's goal is to create a..uhm..appropriate..er..Scratch that, a somewhat regulated and enjoyable environment for likeminded individuals to be in (I'm using likeminded as an incredibly vague term, as like anyone who's not a fascist or communist lmao)

That's like saying a private free speech organization is against free speech for having membership rules etc.

Generally though, "freedom of speech" applies to the freedom...of speech. Not being allowed in a virtual region isn't taking away anyone's freedom of speech, like at all

Liberated American Provinces, Tesyky, Viridus, Fluvannia, Lna The Resident

Alright everyone, new joiner here breaking up the erudite debate by saying hi

Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, West Phoenicia, Fluvannia, The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire, Mietkael, Freethinkers

Voted in favor of the repeal. It's a worthy proposal.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Ulrech wrote:I just noticed you put yourself in the party hall of fame lmao

Not only am I lonely here in the RPP, I'm the founder.

Gagium, Fluvannia

i don't even know whats going on

Viridus, Gagium

how come it says that I barely have elections when I never set it to that

Gagium

Gladesville wrote:Not only am I lonely here in the RPP, I'm the founder.

The Conservative party is always recruiting

Viridus, Gagium

3,399 (56.0%) for, 2,666 (44.0%) against so far...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=ga

🤞

Also, upvote these:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1293285

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1293280

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, West Phoenicia, Greater Bastion, Mietkael

Bemiin wrote:how come it says that I barely have elections when I never set it to that

It's scripted based off your nation's classification.

Viridus, Gagium

Ulrech wrote:The Conservative party is always recruiting

No

Gagium, Greater Bastion

Gagium wrote:-snip-

Just realized I forgot to post my reply :)

I agree with all the points you made here, and, admittedly, I went a little too far with my point on free speech.

I think it just comes down to my personal preference in that if I controlled an organization that supported free speech, then I would also ensure that my organization practices that as well. At least that's what I imagine I would do. That being said, I completely understand not wanting to do so in cases such as the FCN since it is meant primarily for conservatives even if it contradicts the WFE ;)

Gagium, Greater Bastion

Gagium wrote:You have that right, the FCN is a privately controlled and operated region!Yes, we certainly are a conservative-oriented region, I'm glad you understood that much

Mhm, we do believe in free speech in the real world..But this isn't the real world ; As you stated, we're a private, politically-oriented region. As a conservative (Or, in the least, democratic/right-leaning) region, why should we allow those who don't advocate for what we do? We clearly market ourselves as a conservative region - Fascism and communism is inherently opposed to our member's beliefs, and as such communists and fascists don't have a right to be here in the first place, so why should they have freedom of speech? (I believe fascism/communism being banned is what started the freedom of speech debate?)

The NationStates forums are where you go if you want to see free speech and talk to anyone you want, but our region's goal is to create a..uhm..appropriate..er..Scratch that, a somewhat regulated and enjoyable environment for likeminded individuals to be in (I'm using likeminded as an incredibly vague term, as like anyone who's not a fascist or communist lmao)

That's like saying a private free speech organization is against free speech for having membership rules etc.

Generally though, "freedom of speech" applies to the freedom...of speech. Not being allowed in a virtual region isn't taking away anyone's freedom of speech, like at all

I love a good argument

Gagium

Aksumar Apologies, but I'll be tentatively decreasing your GDP/capita to $20,000 after taking a look at the current GDPs that we have..This certainly doesn't make you poor by any standard though

Missourj your GDP per capita will also be reduced to $30,000 for the moment unless you do plan on putting effort and stuff into the roleplay (In which your apped GDP/capita would be necessary), please TG me if you want this changed

I may decrease everyone's GDP per capita by a certain percentage in the future too, but we'll see..

Fcn Rping

When did so many people join the NPP?

Viridus, Gagium

Post self-deleted by Gagium.

Gagium wrote:Aksumar Apologies, but I'll be tentatively decreasing your GDP/capita to $20,000 after taking a look at the current GDPs that we have..This certainly doesn't make you poor by any standard though

Missourj your GDP per capita will also be reduced to $30,000 for the moment unless you do plan on putting effort and stuff into the roleplay (In which your apped GDP/capita would be necessary), please TG me if you want this changed

I may decrease everyone's GDP per capita by a certain percentage in the future too, but we'll see..

Why would u decrease the GDPs

Gagium

Snow Hill wrote:Why would u decrease the GDPs

The world's too rich :l

Viridus

South Ildan wrote:When did so many people join the NPP?

Over the past few weeks. We merged with the ADP and PP, and recruited some new members of the region.

Gagium, South Ildan

New Inglaterra wrote:Over the past few weeks. We merged with the ADP and PP, and recruited some new members of the region.

Don't disrespect the PP like that >:)

Gagium

Gagium wrote:

Missourj your GDP per capita will also be reduced to $30,000 for the moment unless you do plan on putting effort and stuff into the roleplay (In which your apped GDP/capita would be necessary), please TG me if you want this changed

I may decrease everyone's GDP per capita by a certain percentage in the future too, but we'll see..

Makes since for me to decrease my gdp per captial but how bout to 33,343 but it makes since because when Im done writing my nations introduction I plane to have industrys based around agribussiness.

Speaking of which can my nation have chemical wepons like. Ranging from basicaly just chlorine gas or mustard gas its pesticide to things like agent orange and other herbcides.

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

Just to clarify, the people of COT is not my puppet

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

The Cot Corporation wrote:Just to clarify, the people of COT is not my puppet

They're someone ik who happened to choose a similar name for unknown reasons

Also as always if my proposal repeal gets passed everyone vote for it

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

The Cot Corporation wrote:They're someone ik who happened to choose a similar name for unknown reasons

Also as always if my proposal repeal gets passed everyone vote for it

Hint hint

pokes waldensia

Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

The Cot Corporation wrote:Hint hint

pokes waldensia

I'm waiting to see if GenSec rules it legal first.

Viridus

Hey guys, I'm new here

Viridus, Gagium, Prodstrazka

Hi

Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Prodstrazka

Whoops *accidently nukes Avalerion*

Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Prodstrazka

Welcome new nations! Take a minute to get acquainted and if you have any questions feel free to ask. Myself, other residents, or a member of the regional government would be happy to assist you.

Once you've had a look around consider joining the World Assembly, our discord, or RP for more!

Viridus, Gagium, Prodstrazka, Vyeborg

Help im gonna get nuked back

Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Prodstrazka

This tips on the house

"If there wasn't any Sh (Nu), there wouldn't be any iT (Ke)"

Viridus, Gagium

Soviet poland is now disbaned so call me poland (you better)

Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

Huvakia wrote:Welcome new nations! Take a minute to get acquainted and if you have any questions feel free to ask. Myself, other residents, or a member of the regional government would be happy to assist you.

Once you've had a look around consider joining the World Assembly, our discord, or RP for more!

As one of those members of the regional government feel free to telegram me or @ me in the RMB I’m typically available

Huvakia, Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind

South Ildan wrote:When did so many people join the NPP?

About a month ago

Furbish Islands, Gagium

Soviet Poland Ii wrote:Soviet poland is now disbaned so call me poland (you better)

Square up

Viridus, Gagium

wait but i put democracy so why can't i hold elections

Polish Prussian Commonwealth

Bemiin wrote:wait but i put democracy so why can't i hold elections

You don't have the Autocracy policy, so Idk.

Gagium

New Waldensia wrote:I'm waiting to see if GenSec rules it legal first.

Good idea, i have a bad history with them

Viridus, Gagium

Oh and here we go there it is, my favourite

Gagium

A telegram from the secretariat

Frick this

Viridus, Gagium

The Cot Corporation wrote:A telegram from the secretariat

Frick this

What did they say?

Viridus, Gagium

The normal, it became illegal

My new one isn't though

Yet

Viridus, Gagium

They said it was illegal because I only gave 1 reason why it should be repealed, but my new repeal gave many more that I forgot to include in my og

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

The Cot Corporation wrote:They said it was illegal because I only gave 1 reason why it should be repealed, but my new repeal gave many more that I forgot to include in my og

:thinking:

Viridus, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

>give AI's some power

>become socialist overnight

>allow concert tickets to be sold rather than allocated

>become capitalist again

This game sometimes, I swear.

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Vyeborg, Salvatore Isles

Bemiin wrote:wait but i put democracy so why can't i hold elections

What does that even mean?

Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

When the AI who’s planning your economy tells you capitalism is better than socialism so you change back and all of your industries drop 2%

Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.

F

Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

F

Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, The Cot Corporation

The Cot Corporation wrote:They said it was illegal because I only gave 1 reason why it should be repealed, but my new repeal gave many more that I forgot to include in my og

It may be helpful to start a draft thread in the General Assembly sub-forum. Be prepared for opponents to unload on you and GA snobs to be, well, snobbish, but you might also get some constructive input.

Viridus, Gagium, The Cot Corporation

Liberated American Provinces wrote:What does that even mean?

it means that even though i chose democracy it still says i barely hold elections

Gagium

Bemiin wrote:it means that even though i chose democracy it still says i barely hold elections

Like I said . . .

Liberated American Provinces wrote:It's scripted based off your nation's classification.

And by "not too often," you could think of it like most countries in the world. There's only major elections every few years or so.

Viridus, Gagium

New Waldensia

Finally my repeal was marked as legal!

Hint hint

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley

Furbish Islands wrote:69 minutes ago: The Rcs ceased to exist.

Can we get an F in chat?

Rest in Peace.

Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Gagium, Mietkael

Furbish Islands wrote:69 minutes ago: The Rcs ceased to exist.

Can we get an F in chat?

In the arms of the angels, will fly away.

Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Furbish Islands wrote:69 minutes ago: The Rcs ceased to exist.

Can we get an F in chat?

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:Rest in Peace.

Gladesville wrote:In the arms of the angels, will fly away.

He served the Federation Of Conservative Nations and Right To Life well. The Rouge Christmas State

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

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