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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations
Viradus
Viridus, Gagium
Don't forget the best party though!
Trenado
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=colorado-kansas/detail=factbook/id=921491
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Viridus, Trenado
Just a heads up to the great ppl of this region, the "liberty party" is essentially just a branch of the largely >fascist< "nationalist party", so ppl for liberty joining the liberty party are just helping the nationalist party, which is largely (or somewhat) authoritarian.
"Largely Fascist" Not even half of the members of the NP have claimed to be Fascist
And not more than half of the NP members have claimed not to be. This is what your party has come to, whether you like it or not (And 2/4 of your listed party officers are fascist)
Of course I like it, I am very proud of what the NP has become. You can't use Fascist as an insult, you're practically as bad as the left
Trenado
Yeah, fascism isn't even that bad. It's a kinda good ideology that is only seen badly because Mussolini joined the Axis, along with Hitler.
Viridus
We're not even in election season, and the partisan scuffles have begun!
Viridus
As we all know that Hitler and the Nazis were socialists
Why would you deny that your party is largely fascist if that's a good thing, according to you...?
Because I'd rather speak the truth
It's not because you respect the fascist ideology, that you are automatically fascist
Viridus
You see, sad thing, for people not on our discord. A lot of political parties r now putting their parties before their region, to the point that literally on the discord you get insulted for what party you're in randomly and the LP and NP have formed a coalition just to shut down any bills or candidates brought forward by the CP because they hate the CP so much. They don't care about the region nor its advancement, so they're willing to block out a large portion of the senate from having the ability to try a bill just because they're in the CP. If you don't like fascism, you're "just as bad as the left" according to the NP (and even an LP member).
It is clear to me that you don't care about integrity, which makes you even more like the left...
The only one insulting people for being in a different political party is you
Trenado
We've always been a democratic region, yet suddenly you're an enemy to the NP if you're for democracy? It's pathetic how Viridus has used the growth of his party to betray friends within the region just to advance his party and slow the advancement of the region. Fascism is neither a right nor left ideology, yet according to ex-president Viridus, you're like the left for being against it (It's not even a right wing ideology.)
I particularly love how, being a CP member, I'm apparently the enemy, as Viridus incorrectly said, "The only one insulting people for being in a different political party is you". This is incorrect, as the region would see if they were in the discord. Considering I stated the truth in the last posts, it's a good sign that his only response is a 1-line statement that says "no you are".
If Fascism isn't a right nor left ideology then why do you have such a huge problem with it? And let me clarify, I've said that you are like the left due to you throwing around the word Fascist as an insult just as the left throws around the word Alt-Right as an insult
Trenado
You're the first one to insult people for their political party.
Trenado
And, as I said before, the largely fascist Nationalist Party and the Liberty Party's coalition is nothing more than an attempt to undermine the CP and anyone who dares affiliate with them politically. It is ironic that a largely fascist (or at least somewhat totalitarian, if viridus prefers) party has to team with a party for Liberty (or at least I'm assuming by their party name they are) to use partisan politics against the CP.
And just like that, Gaguim dodged an argument...
Viridus, Gagium, Trenado
Fascism isn't even a word that can be classified as an insult, since the ideology itself is pretty neat. However, like i said, its image got burned because Mussolini was allied of Hitler. That's what made it look like an "insult"
Viridus
I love how you say that "if they were in the discord" they would see differently. This is simply not true as you have insulted members of the NP as well as your own party members calling Dobrobyt "centrist scum"
Trenado
An example is of how the party chairmen of the Liberty Party and the Nationalist party, probably frantically scurrying in discord to combat me exposing the truth of their parties, are scrambling to combat me and lie directly to the people of the region. It is sad that they, yet again, are putting their parties before the region and bluntly refusing to accept the truth, that they have become no better than the irl American political establishment, which they both consider weak (Or at least I think so..). Their example of denying the truth is yet again another example of putting their party (I should probably consider them the same party, the goal of the Nationalist party is literally just to support the Liberty party, says it right in their dispatch) before the region.
Post self-deleted by Trenado.
Well, the NP wants to support the LP to improve the region. They both want to make the region better.
It's like snookers, a ball hits another to hit another ball. So, the NP supports the LP to improve the region
Nevertheless, the LNP is still attempting to put out their deception that somehow the CP is the aggressor, blinded by their hate of us, when, as I pointed out before, the NP dispatch's main goal is just to "Support the Liberty Party" against the CP, and the LP dispatch states, "The Party describes itself as Reganist, Liberal-Conservative, and Ultra Capitalist and tends to be extremely anti-establishment." Despite being the establishment themselves, they tend to claim the CP somehow is the 'establishment' and attack the CP for what it is, a conservative party that stands for nation's rights and democracy. Both parties have come to advertising their parties and discords on the RMB, taking no attempt to get people on the REGION's discord itself. In fact, I myself have observed an LNP (LP to be exact) member join their party's discord before the region's.
I think all forms of government that arent laissez-faire are stupid but Im still a member of the fascist Liberty Party. Obviously Im not a NatSoc.
It is sad indeed, that you have to lie to the region just to make it look like you haven't lost the argument. And in fact if they were on Discord, as you have suggested, they would see the truth, I am not "frantically scurrying on Discord" as I am not even on Discord right now.
Well, actually the CP is being ignorant to the NP and the LP though.
Viridus
As I type this 'essay' as you may call it, I am severely risking my reputation within the regional discord for expressing my beliefs and the truth within the RMB to expose the establishment LNP and their attempts to further their parties a hell lot more than trying to further the region. While typing this, I noticed WA delegate and LNP (LP) member Trenado say, "Well, actually the CP is being ignorant to the NP and the LP though". It is yet another 1-line rebuttal to my paragraph, and yet another "no, you're the one doing this" statement. I will say, the CP is not "being ignorant to the NP and the LP", whatever the hell that means. We have taken into account the growth and platforms, as well as members, of both parties, and I have weighed that heavily in writing this.
It is shameful that we can't trust the words of the CP chairman. I have prided myself in being an honest person, I stand for integrity. It is clear that Gagium does not stand for integrity, as I have suggested, he is considerably like the mainstream media as he constantly spreads his lies.
Gagium
Saying that i wrote only 1 line doesn't mean you win the argument.
Viridus
What, do i have to write a bible now?
Viridus
Yet again, the NP chairman, Viridus, is taking again to accusing me of stuff for exposing him, going as far to say "We can't trust the words of the CP chairman...it is clear that Gagium does not stand for integrity...he is considerably like the mainstream media as he constantly spreads his lies." This is yet another example, like the supple ammunition Viridus continues to give me against his partisan regional politics, of putting party before region. Despite what I may have said in writing all this, Viridus has taken this much further, saying outlandish things and accusations without evidence whatsoever, and without reason nor quotations nor anything to support his point at all. He is instead attacking me based on defending my party and saying what I heavily believe to be the truth, and putting our previous friendship aside to attack me and put together lies to diminish my reputation. I may point out that he said, in that very same post, to be an "honest person", right before fabricating lies and nonsensical comparisons just to undermine my reputation.
It has seemed that my earlier suggestion that I was putting my reputation on the discord at risk for standing for my values is true. Now, it seems as Viridus, a previous friend, is now against me, out of regional politics too, just because I spoke against his partisanship and regional politics. That's literally it. I haven't yet to compare the NLP or any of its members to the left, yet the chairman of the NP branch of the NLP has begun to do so already. It is pathetic that so many people have taken the steps to put their political parties before the FCN already.
All these accusations, very little truth. Gagium hasn't said anything of truth this whole time, I feel sorry for the citizens not on Discord who can't see the truth for themselves. Gagium has dodged almost all our counters, I wish I could debate more but I have more important things to do than argue with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Gagium, Trenado
Well, you're protecting your party, but trying to insult other parties, saying they have lots of fascists.
This is what I'm talking about, he claims to be defending his party but he's actually attacking the NP and the LP. It was him that instigated this debate by calling our parties Fascist and I simply defended my party.
Trenado
Yet again, it seems as if Viridus is using claims and undermining my reputation with very little evidence, and why? Because I exposed his party. That's apparently how much it takes for a former friend to turn against you, because of party partisanship and politics. Viridus continues to make outlandish statements, saying, "Gagium hasn't said anything of truth this whole time, I feel sorry for the tcitizens not on Discord who can't see the truth for themselves. Gagium has dodged almost all of our counters.." I have answered almost all of them with length, and at detail, pointing out how false they are and instead turning it back on them. However, Viridus continues to put party before region, continuing to contribute to the eventual regional tear due to partisanship, making more false accusations and simply calling the other argument "false" with little attempt to actually argue why this is so, not even giving a single shred of truth in these accusations. Much like the left, he simply turns away the other side's argument, calling it instantly false because I'm a CP member that actually gives a damn about the future of our region.
It is evident, therefore, that the partisanship has perhaps gone too far, way further than I expected when I begun to write this statement. I was apparently right about risking my reputation by stating my opinions, which we've proved with the example of Viridus. We have also proved that at least the NLP co-chairman of the NP branch has put his party before region, simply saying I must be a liar and blah blah blah just because I oppose his party.
He uses our friendship as ammunition, as you would see if you were on Discord, we are still friends and we haven't let politics get in the way of it like he suggests.
The Republic Of Christiandom, Trenado
Within this whole essay, I have very little called the NP fascist, except in the beginning lines, yet Trenado is now yet again referring to how I must be attacking the NLP because I referred to them at the beginning paragraphs of the essay. Well, at this point, maybe I am attacking the NP and LP. How could I not? the NP is fabricating lies about me on the RMB to advance his party, though I commend the LP for not committing to such an act as the NP's chairman has begun doing.
Wait
Put quotes boi
And yet again, Viridus has used a 1-word argument, claiming "we are still friends" right after doing what no rightful friend would do, putting their own "friend" down for their own political organization to advance their politics. I hope that this essay will not be regarded in any matters that do not relate to regional politics, and everything I may say about the NP or LP applies to regional politics or their political beliefs, not them as a person. Viridus, however, has gone far to say I am a liar, much like the left, etc. etc. This is personal, not necessarily politics.
Well, we are defending our party, as well as you are defending your party. However, we defend our party refuting the slanders that you say. Defending doesn't mean you can't attack someone.
Within the last hour you have used the word 'fascist' on six different accounts, maybe more.
Washingtonian Republic
I think you may have just convinced me to leave the NP.
EDIT:Not
Viridus
Fascist
Waves hi
Trenado
Within the cover of hundreds of words lol
damn my writing speed is fast af
This whole "essay" is an accusation against the NP and the LP. You've had very little evidence in fact you haven't included any evidence in your "essay". You have been so hypocritical in saying, "...simply calling the other argument 'false'" Your whole "essay" has been about calling our arguments false. You've written lengthy posts so that no one would be bothered to read it all, I've only written a sentence or two because that's all I've needed to prove you wrong.
Trenado
I think I'm done with this rant of an essay
like for edition 2 (jk, I literally used all the ammunition I have)
Are you blind? All you have been doing is "putting a friend down"
Simplicity is the power
Viridus
Point proven. I've made over 20 counters to your arguments, and you just scroll over them, throwing more accusations and other sht. There's at least five sentences I've written that I could pull to address your statement, and so I will say no more.
Holy Roman Empires2
"Are you blind?" You're just giving me a hell lot more evidence to use in a 2nd essay, because I exposed your political party within a goddamn region of a game, and you call ME blind while admitting to literally reading 2 sentences of over 70 I've written, judging me based on 1/35th of my essay.
Five sentences that are the same bullshet that viridus posted, but you decided to make them longer just so no one would see that you were also accusing him and his party
I need say no more.
And once again you are "putting a friend down". You have, in fact, not countered any of my arguments as in each post all you've said are accusations against the NP and the LP.
As I said, perhaps I was, but I evidently made it clear in the essay that I don't care whether I am, as I was just stating what I believe to be the truth.
I have not said that, in fact, I've read every sentence so far. Once again you are accusing me while claiming to be the one being accused
You have not exposed the NP, I don't even know how that's possible as you have literally no evidence and only accusations
Trenado
As perhaps my few critiques also.
This doesn't prove anything, wrong quote perhaps?
it has a proof, however, it's censored kek (jk)
Refer to my essay for further counters, please. I've countered everything you could possibly claim about me in the hours that will ensue my writing of that essay.
I'm done with regional politics for the night I'm afraid, lol.
Wrong! There is a lot you haven't countered
Viridus, Trenado
You can't just counter a argument accusing someone. You know how to counter? Send a clever argument, and don't accuse someone like you did in almost every "counter" you did
Viridus
Once again, you haven't countered us at all. In every post of yours are only accusations with little evidence.
Yes, because apparently several large paragraphs you've admitted to not reading are little evidence compared to your super powerful massive yuge big league full-of-legit-evidence two-sentence rebuttals.
It's not the length of the argument, it's the content of the argument.
Viridus, Trenado
I would prefer typing a two sentence quote with lots of evidence, rather than type a bible with very little evidence about anything.
Exactly.
Yes, because all his rebuttals that basically say I'm wrong without supporting sentences and that I'm a leftist fake news fascist-hater who hates the LP and NP are super full of content. Very.
I've actually said the exact opposite, I've read every sentence. This is why you are like the mainstream media. I thought we were friends before this, but after your essay where paragraph after paragraph was just attacking the NP and the LP with accusations that you have no evidence for, I'm not so sure...
another example below for free, new also
The Sladerstan
All of you.
Shut up.
Now kiss.
Gagium, The Sladerstan
Okay, next i'll write the entire bee movie script as an argument? Would you like it? Because you are doing exactly that. You're writing a long af text without evidence about anything.
mans not hot
Trenado, The Sladerstan
mans not cold
The Sladerstan
but mans not hot
man can never be hot
Trenado, The Sladerstan
perspiration ting
The Sladerstan
Shaking my head. It's really evidence of how you've accused us without evidence
Trenado, The Sladerstan
fucc bees
Trenado, The Sladerstan
yes
The Sladerstan
noice argument
Viridus
According to all known laws
of aviation,
there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.
Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.
The bee, of course, flies anyway
because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.
Barry! Breakfast is ready!
Ooming!
Hang on a second.
Hello?
- Barry?
- Adam?
- Oan you believe this is happening?
- I can't. I'll pick you up.
Looking sharp.
Use the stairs. Your father
paid good money for those.
Sorry. I'm excited.
Here's the graduate.
We're very proud of you, son.
A perfect report card, all B's.
Very proud.
Ma! I got a thing going here.
The Republic Of Christiandom, Trenado, The Sladerstan
Ooming!
Trenado
That was his only argument, he makes all these accusations and attacks the NP and the LP, but then he plays the victim
lol, maybe he forgot to type or idk
Viridus
I wish I didn't wasted an hour debating someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Rhineland Sued, Trenado
i was eating dinner while debating with him, lol
Rhineland Sued, Viridus
Viridus
k
Viridus
"86 new posts"
*jaw drops*
Viridus, Trenado
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