Post Archive
Region: Federation of Conservative Nations
The nation of Greater Bastion in the FCN 2020 RP
Gagium, Fluvannia, New Inglaterra
Me. I support home invasion to manipulate foreign regions.
[spoiler=For mods]It's a joke[/spoiler]
Gagium, Fluvannia, Holy Rhinish Islands
Wait. Hes your Vice President!
Fluvannia, New Inglaterra
...
Gagium, Fluvannia, New Inglaterra
The entire CP has rebranded itself literally even down to the color we use to rebrand ourselves...also I you spoke total falsehoods about my titles so I proceeded to debunk them and now youre criticizing me on policy...its funny how quickly you change from endorsing me a few hours ago
Gagium
The RMB post on your policy and campaign came before you reacted to the RMB post on your campaigns.
Thats right, youve been exposed you fraud!
So this will go to a double round right?
New Waldensia, Gagium
Not with the way its looking Rhiney is a few or two away from the requirements
Gagium
How much is needed 50%
Just ignore me
Ulrech, Gagium, Fluvannia
Yes
Gagium
How can a man lead if he can not follow instructions in bold.
Ulrech, Gagium, Fluvannia, Mietkael
Some other people need to know.
Gagium
I have not been in the FCN for just over a month. In that time, we have witnessed an impeachment trial; we have witnessed a constitutional crisis stemming from said impeachment trial; and we have witnessed a remarkable escalation in inter-party tension. You speak of my past with the Conservative Party, of which I am no longer even a member. Mr. Phoenicia, you do not need me to cause partisanship. I think your actions and words--including those of a few others--over the last month speak for themselves. Every moment that you and Mr. Inglaterra offer the line of the political elite supposedly oppressing the will of the common man, for example, you both do nothing but further divide this region into identities that did not exist prior. And for what? So that the National Populist Party can secure more election victories? Is that how we now measure political achievement? Who can best throw ethics under the metaphorical bus for more seats in the Senate? For control of the Senate Speakership or the Presidency?
This Hegelian master-slave dialectic that the two of you have conjured is a narrative on par with Karl Marx's own interpretation of Hegel--of the oppressive bourgeoisie terrorizing the hapless proletariat. Or in our case, the oppressive Conservative Party--the tyrannical political elite--offering "poison" to the good people of the Federation. If the NPP wins this presidential election, it will be ironic more than anything else. The "slaves" will have overthrown their "oppressive masters." And if we go by your campaign narrative--the logic of Hegel and Marx--the new masters shall become the new oppressors of their people. There will come a day when your words return to bite the NPP in its Achilles' heel.
In any case, I end my thoughts here. Clearly, it is not worth my time to further debate a person who would attempt to shift much of the blame away from himself and his political allies but to the rest of this region and, in particular, to me--a person who returned just over a week ago. Apparently, even in exile, I am still at fault for the problems caused by certain members. This is why I retired from Federation politics. And this is why I suspect Furby will soon join me on this path.
Ulrech, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
Flawless Victory
Viridus, Gagium, Ibenta
Exactly. Exactly.
Ulrech, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
An impeachment trial of a President you support, a constitutional crisis caused by the candidate you support, and tension excaerbated by the actions of the CP.
Gagium
You have hated the NPP since the day I submitted the bill asking for its approval. You're right, you don't oppose us because of politics. You oppose us because of personal offense at the idea that a party other than the CP can exist. And you say we'll become the "masters" when if anything we're pushing for MORE elections.
Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Holy Rhinish Islands
If I may, what actions of the CP?
Viridus, Fluvannia
The constant deriding of the NPP and the allegations we are the partisan ones.
They see partisanship because they are the partisan ones.
Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
Rhinish suppressed my free speech in the past, so I'm voting against him.
Ulrech, Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
I wouldn't say that pushing for increased elections is an objectively good thing by itself. That simply makes popular opinion at any given election moment the master. Imagine if America had elections for President every year and how much stability that would bring us.
Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
Yall both partisan..Kind of..FCNers before NPP or CP members though, hopefully
Whos doing the constant deriding of the NPP?
Viridus
I'll side with Gagium on this, Party Politics is naturally partisan, parties are built around an ideology. Everyone is partisan to their ideology.
Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
But I brought it to court, vote me :(
Viridus
NoPP
Viridus
Impossible! Perhaps the archives are incomplete.
Viridus, Gagium
Mostly Okasian tbh, but ever since we came along they have been rather hostile to us. But if day after tomorrow no one would go "You only attacked me because I'm CP!" or other similar statements, we would see a massive drop in tension
Gagium
Post self-deleted by Emerisis.
I've spent much of my time attacking Furby on the RMB and during cabinet deliberations for being immature and incompetent. Oh, and by the way. I tried to oust him from CP leadership in what would have amounted to a party coup. But you know. I guess truth is subjective as well. Just like blame, apparently. It's never your fault, clearly unbiased party leader of the NPP. No, it's the fault of your "oppressors."
The victim card is getting old.
Viridus, Fluvannia, Emerisis
I almost did but Ulrech seems more likely to win. Sorry. I don't know why you're not ahead anyway :/
Ulrech, Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis
Howso? :/ (For the part about me..)
Sorry that "you" was more directed at Okasian and the CP in my head, apologies.
Viridus, Gagium
This man just used psychology to attack a candidate for his age.
Wow. Just Wow.
Viridus, Gagium
The elections will go for a second round, so as long as the vote isnt for Rhiney its against him this round..
Ulrech isnt a bad choice though - Hes a good person..If I wasnt running, Id go Ulrech
Ulrech, Viridus, Fluvannia, Mietkael
Apparently, entering exile is not enough. I guess if I commit seppuku, we might see some effect!
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, Mietkael
Ah..youre fine then, though I dont believe anyone is attacking anyone without reason..and I hope nobody is trying to be overly negative towards other people actively to disrepute them
Viridus, Ibenta, New Inglaterra, Mietkael
Yeah so hand in your victim card. We are tired of you attempting to paint yourself as a victim and everyone else as aggressors.
The region moved onto a move peaceful place until you popped up again. Out of everyone here, most of them have friendly jibes at each other. Its not the CP i didnt like, it was you.
Day one everyone was welcoming, you were insulting and offensive and in your attacks against me, you mentioned CP in your ramblings to give the illusion it was a CP directive to treat me as if I was a dog. When it was just your issue, and you his behind the curtain like some dysfunctional OZ.
Gagium, New Inglaterra
If I may ask, where is his victim card? The quoted post is him saying hes been on the offense
Viridus, Fluvannia, Ibenta
I think the fact that whenever you attack him he cries "partisanship"?
Gagium
Wow. He really got you there, Gagium. Praise be! Praise be to the No PP! Partisanship is good! People who argue against it are victimizing themselves! YES!
Gagium, Emerisis
That was not a "comeback" to Gagium. It's a simple fact.
Gagium
It's also a simple fact that I sexually identify as Jesus in the form of a porta-potty. And by porta-potty, I mean New Jersey.
Gagium, Emerisis
Every time he writes. It is always someone's else fault for something.
Anyway I do not want a repeat of last time. The FCN does not need this. So I am officially asking Ibenta to stop communication with me on any board or channel. I do not want to be dragged down again over an online rp game.
Gagium, New Inglaterra
I mean, I already blocked on you on Discord since you first came in and asked me to join your first political party. Better late than never, I guess.
Ulrech, Gagium, Emerisis
Actually incorrect and a lie. I had asked, to submit bill to the floor do I need support first. I was posting a first bill. So was unaware if you needed support for a Bill prior to actually posting it. I was not actually asking you to join. I was asking to second a Bill.
Gagium, New Inglaterra
Is this like that time where you messaged someone who was at Basic Training to try and join the CP and then took their inability to respond as an insult?
Viridus, Gagium, Ibenta, Mietkael, Emerisis
Was more than 1 person I asked. 🤗.
And I didn't turn around and abuse them when they didn't respond.
Gagium
Half the people here are high school age, meaning they are going through the exact same things, such as Puberty. Puberty doesn't stop when you are 14, 15, 16, 17, OR even 18. The human brain isn't fully developed until ~age 25, which most of the region, and a majority of the candidates here, are younger than.
If you want to tell a group of people someone is not fit for office because of the fact that they are going through puberty, you might as well vote for New Waldensia. Gagium is probably 18 or so as a good guess (assuming he was 15 or 16 when he founded the FCN), Ulrech is in College, which is generally less than 25, LoM is probably in the same age range as well. Furbish is 16 or 17 (Junior in HS), and I myself am a Freshman in High School. New Inglaterra, the person nobody had an age issue with, is in the same age range as tonight's candidates (not releasing specific age).
Your point? ALL the candidates, bar one, are going through what you classify as something that makes people "moody" and "need[ing] more time to grow" applies to a majority of the Region and most of the Candidates.
I hope that this election age is not an issue. Some people go through puberty rather quickly, others later. I just so happen to have helped found the CCN2 at a very young age (11), founded the Conservative Party of which you vote for at the same age, and foresaw the tyranny of Topeka weeks before it would occur (supposedly).
My point: For the most part the majority of the Region is going through Puberty; including 4 of the Candidates. While I have made "impulsive" decisions in the (rather distant) past, I do believe I have not done anything as of recent that will show that I am too inexperienced age wise.
And as you say, Mr. Furbish Islands did not have a lot on his plate. Looking at all that he signed, he had not. However, during his time in office he has made some questionable decisions that are extremely impulsive, such as the bribery to vote Aye for one of his picks, random bannings on the discord, and use of immature language unironically. During my stay at the FCN this go-round, I have not made such decisions, not saying that means I am more experienced and/or mature than Furbish Islands, just that you can't necessarily use Age against one for immaturity. You have to take a look at their actions instead of a simple number.
Last thing, if you are arguing that 13 is not high school age, I can supply information that proves that I am a high school student if you wish.
Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Gagium, New Inglaterra, Aglonia
Interesting, definitely interesting. Luckily, these days our leadership is active and welcoming!
Gagium
Great news! And hopefully not rude and abusive to a new comer like some people were.
New Waldensia, Gagium
Candidates, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands, New Waldensia, The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire, Ulrech, may I ask each of you before I cast my vote:
What is conservatism to you?
What are you conserving, and why do you feel that way?
Ulrech, Viridus, Gagium, West Phoenicia, Fluvannia
rhiney's main point: age is just a number
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Ibenta
In the since of those region Im conserving the rights and values of each and every members of the Federation while also doing my best to bring others into the fold
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, New Reddington, Fluvannia
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
90 RMB Posts.
Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, New Inglaterra
I'm conserving our amazing values here at the FCN. Small government, human dignity, and rights of the common people. That is what I am attempting to conserve by running for President. I want to do more than conserve those values, we need to revitalize it, with transparent government, greater RPs, and a new foreign policy going onward.
Note: I broke the Nation Tags intentionally so as it doesn't ping everyone.
New Waldensia, Gagium, New Inglaterra
Yes but without the sexual connotations, but also no.
Gagium
What's your idea of a great roleplay?
Gagium, New Inglaterra
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
A good RP is one that has the support and interest to get people to be involved in but doesn't die, and is also interesting enough for more people to join in on.
Gagium, New Reddington
RL or as it applies to the region?
New Waldensia
Should age really be a factor? I'm not sure of the demographics. But there would be more under 21's running around NS like the pages of some William F. Nolan Logan's Run novel.
This is in support of Gagium and Rhiney
And out of high school when I was 17-20 one of my commanding officers was a 14 year old girl. And she was mature for her age, did the job, clocked in the hours, was competent in her role.
Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
Rhineys age per say isnt necessarily the issue...the issue seems to be his level of maturity people often use his age to put a reason behind his level of maturity
Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, Emerisis
I made a terrible post and I'm so sorry I feel so stupid
Gagium
One could say it was impulsive?
/s was joke
Gagium, New Inglaterra
Yes, good luck talking about the mental state of others when you draw balls representing virtual countries on a virtual nation simulator and then put them between two virtual slices of bread! I mean really, who does that??
[spoiler]Kidding of course, youre still the art god[/spoiler]
Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, New Inglaterra
Definitely an art god. Could maybe go to art school.
Gagium, New Inglaterra
As someone who is a little older (a tad) on my arrival here. I found Gagium, Furby and Rhiney to be..immature.
While people of any age are allowed childish moments. Hell I still put up a stocking and bake cookies for Santa as I love the magic of Christmas.
In my 7 months here, each of those three have shown themselves to have grown in maturity. Yeah they all have their moments, but that's life.
All three have shown they are willing to serve the FCN,
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Holy Rhinish Islands
Is that legal..?
Viridus, New Inglaterra
I don't think it was.
Viridus, Gagium
WP promoting illegal activities confirmed???? /s
Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
Confirmed. This will be a huge hit to the Gagium/West Phoenicia ticket.
/s
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium
Wasn't illegal per say. As protected under our freedom of religion.
New Waldensia, Gagium
So what will interest people?
Gagium
Depends on what the FCN wants. I'd poll the region to see what RP ideas are out there and which ones can get a good grasping interest that won't allow for it to die quickly.
Gagium, New Reddington, New Inglaterra
A message to all voters...a 3rd debate is currently taking place on our discord server for those of you who are not on it...Im sure the information will find its way to the RMB
Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, Ibenta, Mietkael
Want to hear a good joke? The overwhelming majority of Rhiney's voters actually coming on to the Discord for once to get educated on regional affairs.
Want to hear another joke? The overwhelming majority of Rhiney's votes are definitely informed and active members of the FCN.
Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia, Emerisis
The Life of Pablo is a great album
Gagium, Ibenta
What if someone wants to use his own imagination and wants to roleplay using his own imagination?
Furbish Islands, Gagium
Then you go to our slave camp in the Monarchist And Democratic Alliance
Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Viridus, New Reddington, Ibenta, Mietkael
Will there be a second round to determine the President? Since it looks like no candidate will receive a majority
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, New Inglaterra
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
I'm surprised the NPP is doing so well tbqh
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis
*laughs in unrecognized RPP*
Rastriya Prajatantra Party?
Gagium
Red Pants Party
Viridus, Gagium
The Pella is a Rastriya Prajatantra Party?
I meant the Red Plus Party.
Gagium
Oh really? Not using Ibenta's logo anymore?
Wow. This is #soberokasian, not #drunkokasian.
Viridus, Gagium
Thanks for the endorsement, Rhiney. 😉
I for one am a bit tired of both the age/immaturity and hall-of-shame attacks on Holy Rhinish Islands. Firstly, he's aged since those previous incidents, as everyone has. Secondly, he's matured as as well, to my observation. Lest we forget, both San Carlos Islands and Topeka were essentially FCN Enemy Number One at different times, yet both were restored to good standing. Thirdly, those are both petty attacks, rather than substantive issues. Let's focus on more important things.
Viridus, Gagium, West Phoenicia, San Carlos Islands, Holy Rhinish Islands
Yes, like getting Gagium to the double digits in terms of votes before the election ends!
Viridus
a ThIrD dEbAtE?!
What is this, the 2020 Democrat Primary?
Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis
If he made the one with the bear, then no lol
Viridus, Gagium
Yeah, all of the inactive nations lurking in the shadows of the region, never participate and couldnt care less about the outcome of the election are voting for Rhiney
Gagium, Fluvannia
He made the lion, you just changed the color
New Waldensia, Gagium
Furby is voting for the best candidate! Very cool!
Viridus, Gagium
Well in that case, he did a good job on the design.
Viridus, Gagium
Even then it's less than 1/4 of FCN's population turning out to vote. Disappointing turnout. Maybe we should eject nations inactive for more that 2 weeks?
I've suggested only WA-member nations being about to vote too. Does anyone else agree?
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
Someone brought up the idea that WA nations should get more voting power
New Waldensia, Fluvannia
Plain and simple I am aware of the fundamental problems of raiding offensively. I will not vote for anyone who will raid the regions of others for fun and ruin aspects of the game for them simply because they are not the same as us. I stood against that since the beginning of my time on Nationstates in 2011/12. I will not support that. I campaigned against it myself in Libertatem.
For that reason I will not vote Rhiney.
Ulrech, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia
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