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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations
Except for you know... hard drugs that end up killing people that dont even use or sell
Creeperopolis, Viridus, New Gandor, Gagium
Blueflarst Ive decided to accept you into the UFP
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Im of the Philippines model. Drug users and drug dealers should be killed. ARRIBA DUTERTE!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
Ur model of punishment for drug users and dealers would have a field day in Mexico. extend it to gangs cuz MS-13 essentially controls parts of El Salvador
Viridus, Gagium
Also some noob spammed @everyone in the discord and no one got pinged. Lol
Viridus, Gagium
If anyone is debating on to work for UPS or not, I have the answer. Don't.
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine
Okay...
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
It is a very hard job, and UPS makes no sense.
Creeperopolis, Gagium
And how do they do that?
Do the drugs stand up and stab innocent bystanders?
Or are you suggesting its users commit crimes? Because if so, there is already a punishment for that, and we can simply use the laws for murder, and manslaughter (negligent or otherwise) to appropriately punish such actions.
Punishing an action because of a belief that it is tangentially co-related to a criminal action is to put the cart before the horse. Punish the criminal action, not the one that is claimed to be related. I don't want my tax dollars chasing around meth needles, or dime bags of weed or cocaine. Fully legalize all drugs, and allow walmart to sell heroin like they sell yogurt with corporations chasing the cartels out of the market through competition. Educate people for why they shouldn't do it, with plenty of real world examples of why not, make it a crime to be on drugs in public except designated spaces (similar to how its a crime to be publicly intoxicated). Increase the punishment for accidents/crimes while under the affects of drugs, and leave things at that.
People that don't do drugs, wouldn't go pick up a needle tomorrow if suddenly it was legalized. And criminalizing drugs pushes certain people towards them as "forbidden fruit." Let people voluntarily choose what they will. Punish them if they damage private property or the life/livelihood of another individual, but so long as they don't do that, don't punish them. Leave it up to employers to decide if they want to allow employees to do drugs or not and I can bet that all jobs where it is critical to do so, will do so simply because of insurance costs being lower with drug screens. Leave it up to individuals everywhere to decide if they will do business and associate with drug users themselves. It is not for the law to decide what an individual should and should not consume. The law does not own your body, nor does it own your mind, nor consciousness. If we are to be free to control anything at all we must be free to control our own bodies and decide for ourselves.
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Back in the WA. Endorse me!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Krich Aerd
The following nations need to endorse Delegate Libervalley:
Aldrich_Chadsworth, G23, Leikistan, The_Southern_Hemisphere, Gigel_Frone, Sneam_Clad, Cavendelia, The_American_German_Imperium, The_Atom_Cats_Garage, Blueflarst
Please do so ASAP.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Right Wing Militia
Let me rephrase that, except for the people that take them and kill people because of the psychological affects that the drugs cause, why are we even arguing about this? Legalizing weed, not a problem, but why on bloody earth should we legalize hard drugs?
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Please go to my region page and up vote my dispatch I can't explain but it will help all conservatives.
Creeperopolis, Gagium
For the exact same reason we should legalize weed. Prohibition creates crime that otherwise would not exist and is a violation of the personal freedoms of citizens.
During alcohol prohibition, did demand for alcohol go down? No. But supply did, and people rose up to meet that supply. These people did not have the protection of the courts to defend their property, or contractual agreements, so they had to enforce them on their own the only way that can be done, through violence. And so the Mob, and Mafia rose up and tore up many parts of the country along with many other criminal gangs to supply alcohol to those who wanted it. Furthermore, with it being prohibited, concentrations, and ingredients were no longer guaranteed, and 10,000 people died from poisoning alone drinking prohibited alcohol. Prior to, and after prohibition, alcohol purchased in stores did not require masses of armed criminal gangs shooting up the cities to protect their territory, and contraband, and were in consistent doses to the point where someone purchasing a bottle of jamison whiskey could know exactly what concentration of alcohol was in each shot they took. As compared to buying unlabeled moonshine.
Demand for hard drugs does not change simply because they are illegal. However, prohibiting them has created a market for violent criminals to supply them. And so the drug cartels rose up all throughout south america with distribution gangs here in the US. Along with existing street gangs that also make most of their money through drug sales. They enforce their territory through violence, executions, and intimidation, since they do not have the backings of the court system to enforce contract law. Furthermore, drug concentrations are unregulated, and drug prices are 127x that of similar goods due to the cost of trafficking, and transportation. So drug users are more likely to overdose, and drug users are also far more likely to turn to crime to fund their habit. Consider that cocoa and coca are both grown in the same regions of the world, and undergo similar chemical processes in both cost, expertise, and time required, to refine them into chocolate and cocaine. Yet the average gram of cocaine is 127x the cost of the average gram of chocolate. When is the last time you heard of someone committing a crime to afford their chocolate habit? Not to mention when is the last time you heard of a street dealer asking for ID to make sure their users were of age? One of the surest ways to keep drugs away from children is to legalize it and age restrict it. When I was under age, it was far simpler for me to get weed and other drugs than alcohol (although I still got alcohol anyways). And before you make any assumptions about my motivations I haven't done drugs in nearly a decade and have no interest in doing so.
By psychological affects, are you implying that drugs change people psychologically and drive them to murder? That is a rather extreme claim to make and one that should be backed up with facts. But furthermore, even if it is true, simply charge them with murder and let them rot in jail. People can judge for themselves if they wish to partake in something that may or may not cause them to ruin their lives forever. You are suggesting some form of pre-crime legislation, that I don't think has any factual basis. The government does not know better than the individual how the individual should live their lives. That was one of the primary political ideas that came out of the enlightenment and led to the US revolution and writing of the American Constitution. That primary concept is the main reason why all substances should be legalized, everything else is simply a consequentialist argument, which is an unethical and misdirected place to begin policy decisions from since it ignores first principles.
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Libernovusamericae
>be me
>14 year old probably maoist or stalinist
>spam discord pinging everyone calling us fascists
>get banned
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Reichtenstiene
Let me rebut this...
1. Not really... he killed innocent civilians who weren't really communist.
2. No, it isn't justifiable. Killing the killers makes you no better than they are. It makes you just as bad as they are, if not worse. If you don't want to stoop to their lowly level, you try to fight them with ideas. Ideas are stronger than physical weapons. It's hard to spread ideas, but is harder to destroy them. People cannot change unless they are willing to do so. They have to change themselves.
3. There are plenty of other people who I could list that don't deserve it, but sadly, it's not for people like us to decide.
4. No, it isn't. See point #2.
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Libernovusamericae
At least you spelled your name right this time, the mods were just helping you out
Creeperopolis, Christian Confederation
Wait, wasn't he just against Pinochet?
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
That is not his argument. That was his response to the inferred argument the other person was making, which he listed.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Reichtenstiene
Ah, gotcha.
Still points made hold value.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
1. Sure
2. It is justifiable, if the government kills the killers, this saves countless lives in the future. "Stooping to their lowly level" is actually saving more lives in the future
3. Yeah
4. Yeah
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Reichtenstiene
True, yet on the other hand, such powers might get unwieldy, and overuse their power, and kill those who are not guilty. That is my only concern. Otherwise, fine.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
What did he do to get deleted?
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
XD -- Precious
I hate when lefties call conservatives 'fascists', when they aren't.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Trenado
You can also ask why you had your nation deleted.
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium
I did no response.
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Libernovusamericae, Reichtenstiene
Well it was worth a shot. When I reported someone because they told me to kill myself via a telegram, they just deleted the sender, but did not respond to me.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Reichtenstiene, Corribon
Why do you hate it? I love it! As the liberals say, #LoveTrumpsHate
Except it isn't Trump's "hate" we love, it's theirs
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Rivine
How to play cities skylines the Lovelton way
Step 1: create a city
Step 2: Make taxes super high and make weed legal, and enact leftist policies
Step 3: Wait for the leftists to come
Step 4: Augusto Pinochet summons meteorites on the city that destroy it
Step 5: ?????????
Step 6: PROFIT!
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Rivine, Libernovusamericae
A bit unrealistic. When Sweden implemented a 102% tax rate for the upper income bracket, even the leftists were complaining of high taxes.
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine, Lovelton
I believe they are instead saying that they love Trump's hate
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine
I finally joined the modern world and criminalized slavery..
..Unfortunately, Average Income of Rich is a mere 570k from the 1 million it was before. Agh.
The Royal Rcs, Creeperopolis, Helpfull People, Viridus, Trenado, Rivine, Captain Lard, Libernovusamericae, Lovelton, Fourlokos, Right Wing Militia
Who cares? No one should be allowed to deprive innocent people of their liberty.
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine
Sad!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine
I JuSt WaNt A pEaCeFuL cOeXiStEnCe
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Trenado, Right Wing Militia
That is a big oof
Anyway Time to roast you all in challenges
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine
YouTube Rewind 2018 most disliked video!
The Royal Rcs, Creeperopolis, Viridus, Freezic Vast, Rivine, Captain Lard, Libernovusamericae, Pinochetus
Nice!
The Royal Rcs, Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine
Jeez, thats horrible. I wanted to keep Justin Beibers baby at the top. Oh well.
And it got there within a week.
Thats just amazing.
The Royal Rcs, Creeperopolis, Kks Lech Poznan, Viridus, Gagium, Freezic Vast, Rivine
I have my territory on the FCN map now. I might have to change my name from the disputed territories.....after my flag is on there
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine
Sorry.
I'd rather make this publicly ,
Do not mistake me for having left wing sympathy I am a stern right winger who believes in race , nation and family values.
However I cannot participate in the invasion of other regions as I do not condone it.
I believe many of you may have dealt with the your region being invaded before , if u have u know the pain of seeing everything you built up from nothing go away.
Thanks
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Right Wing Militia
What? I thought they were saying love will defeat hate
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Oh my, 3 different meanings to that one simple chant?!?!?!
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Right Wing Militia
Yeah we did build up from nothing, that's why this region even exists, but we're better now because of it
Creeperopolis, Slavagorod, New Waldensia, Gagium, Right Wing Militia
I just took the iCAT-ASVAB today and got a score of 92 out of 99. Basically I can join the army and have any kind of job I want!!!
Creeperopolis, Slavagorod, Helpfull People, New Waldensia, Viridus, New Gandor, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Rivine, Doge Republics, Eire-Alba, Right Wing Militia
Congratulations!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley, Rivine, Right Wing Militia
Congrats!!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Krich Aerd
Noice!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Lovelton
Its time to start a freaking Crusade!
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Lovelton
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1139196
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Krich Aerd
Q
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Eldrado
A little more context for y'all on that one: I was pass-guessed by the same guy who told me that the day before so uh...
Creeperopolis, Gagium
The Coexist movement... arent Christians supposed to spread their religion, not support others, hence political tension between different religions and the Christians dont kill Christians war philosophy
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.
What branch and who's your Sgt?
Creeperopolis, Gagium
He said he can, not that he has
Creeperopolis, Helpfull People, New Waldensia, Viridus
The Talking Point
The might of the entire Loveltone Navy is focused on fifty bemused spear-throwing islanders.
Creeperopolis, Gagium
LIFE HAX
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Also, not sure he'd float that out there.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
July 10th, 1910
Las Cruces, New Mexico, ROT
Notorious outlaw Job McRae robbed the Western Commerce Bank in Las Cruces, New Mexico, making off with over $3,000 in gold coins and silver certificates. Local authorities have gathered several posses to scour the countryside for the bandit and his gang, while federal marshals are working with rail companies to search trains that are traversing through the area. A reward of $300 has been posted for the capture of McRae.
Creeperopolis, Helpfull People, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Right Wing Militia
Amazing
Creeperopolis, Eldrado
July 5, 1910
Diplomat Elliott Northcott's ship arrives in La Ceiba, Honduras, following Maximiliano III's advise and coming prepared for the tropical weather and mosquitoes of the environment. He and a small Dixie convoy begin their journey to San Salvador. Two days later, on July 7, they arrive, and the diplomatic mission contacts the Central American Empire of their arrival.
July 8, 1910
Diplomat Walter Page arrives in Texoma and notifies the Texomans of his diplomatic team's arrival. They also request for a meeting with a representative from Texoma on July 11th in Austin.
July 10, 1910
Diplomat Luke Wright has always been amused by the United Shibe State's government. However, the Federation recognized Buddy's nation as a valuable ally, especially with their pacific access, and so Luke Wright smiled at Buddy's advisors as he entered the meeting room. After a few brief seconds of eyeing the various advisors assembled, Mr. Wright presented his plans of alliance and an American defense pact to them, noting that the nation was also meeting with Texoma and Central America.
Meanwhile, noting the dire world situation, Congress passes the Emergency Militia Funding Act, which calls for 20% of each state's militia to be enlisted temporarily into the newly-created 9th Skirmisher Division, which will be led by transferred officers of the 6th and 7th Skirmisher Divisions and trained by general army trainers. The bill also increases military spending from 2.1% of the GDP to 2.4%, or $80,050,526 (Roughly a $10 million increase).
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Doge Republics, Eldrado
The last post was 11 hours ago...
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Eldrado
Oof
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Very active RMB guys! Keep it up!
Creeperopolis, Kks Lech Poznan, New Waldensia, Viridus, Eldrado, Lovelton
You cant just complain about RMB inactivity and then complain about RMB bombing
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Thats where youre wrong *finger guns*
Creeperopolis, Kks Lech Poznan, Viridus, Krich Aerd, Rivine, Eldrado
Roses are red
I'm holding a gun
[spoiler= ]
[/spoiler]Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
How's Christmas shopping going for everyone? I'm almost done.
[Spoiler= ]only because the wife bought everything else other than my gifts to her[/spoiler]
Creeperopolis, Kks Lech Poznan, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Libernovusamericae, Eldrado
probably
yeah well um, well, uhh, you see, that, uhh, i haven't... started shopping
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado, Lovelton, Finlands Mid Region
Someone spammed @everyone on discord again and do one got pinged again. Noob Lol. This is funny. Dab
Edit: Accused us of being fascist for raiding commies. Hmmmmmmmmmmst. Well Gagium time to add a tag
Kks Lech Poznan, Viridus, Gagium, Libernovusamericae
Or not
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Was that commie piece of sh*t banned from our discord?
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
Lol, I dont have money for shopping :/
Creeperopolis, Gagium
Outer Heaven We know you're a mole.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, New Gandor, Gagium
please don't leak classified information
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
July 17th 1910
Near the RR and bolshevik front line
The Finnish soldiers complete a 200mi line of trenches stretching from Kolezhma to Vidlista inside, riflemen fill the trenches, supported with Masden machine gun teams and crews of artillery. Sniper dugouts are made to survey the landscape watching for communists. They are given one directive "eliminate
any bolshevik combatants on sight."
Back in Helsinki
PM Lednovich considers moving forward a bill in Congress to start a draft of 10,000 men to become reserves and send the current reserves to the front lines. He knows this will spark debate but it will overall ensure a chance in an effort against the communist threat.
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Did you just assume his species
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Libernovusamericae, Corribon
Yes. Species: Traitor
Xyanth, Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Corribon
July 8th, 1910
Shanghai
Emperador Dante I steps up to the stage set up near the entrance to the city, artillery sounding in the distance, along with occasional gunfire, he looks over his soldiers about to go into battle, thousands upon thousands stare in awe at their emperor, as he adjusts himself, the huge gorup of soldiers kneel, their commissars making sure none dare look up. he again looks across this mass of troops about to head to the front, and speaks slowly at first "My dear soldiers, you are about to seize this great city from the barbarians, we have allowed them access for too long, they dare to defy our great and young empire, we will bring these Qing devils to heel, by God Almighty and his holy will, this is a modern crusade against not the turk or the islamist, but barbarity incarnate, the living proof of corruption, the empress and her foolish cohorts. You are brave to a man, I know. You will do me, your country, your people proud! In a century, no emperor of Gran Argreriana has stepped foot outside of Sta. Lucia, well I tell you this, these are trying times for us all, and every man must do his part, even myself. Go with God, and may your furious hearts strike fear into the Qing devils! VIVA GRAN ARGRERIANA!"
As soon as his speech finishes, the troops keep kneeling, and a priest comes to the stage blessing the troops and His Imperial Majesty, as well as holding an impromptu mass. The troops then head into the city, and Emperador Dante I walks down from the stage, lights his pipe and smirks as the Gran Argreriana artillery bombardment commences against the Qing. He was convinced that the city would fall soon, as much of it that was left, as much of it was burning and smoldering from recent artillery bombardments by both sides. The war would be quick he said softly.
Later that same day, the HIGAS Dante Perez de la Cruz steams along her way, assisting in the blockade of China. the captain of the vessel, Miguel Luis de la Corona stand on the bridge, shouting orders at lesser officers, his pristine white uniform a beautiful sight among the cold steel and metal of the vessel, the Gran Argreriana naval ensign flapping in the wind, a major source of pride for the sailors. They were convinced the Qing wouldn't try anything, and if they did they would outgun them heavily, as the majority of the navy was occupied in theis blockade.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado
Correct! 5 points
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Libernovusamericae
I would like to take position as the WA Delegate because libervalley is not active as libervalley should be.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
Im definetly against it. I believe a member of the nationalist party should be.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Yes #WashRepForLife. Libervalley has yet to respond to this at all (even though I've made sure to tell him). Anyways, there's nothing in the constitution about special elections (unless the current officer agrees to it maybe?) so unless New Waldensia removes Libervalley from office and for some reason nominates you, Helpfull People, it's not going to happen
Creeperopolis, Helpfull People, New Waldensia, Gagium, Libernovusamericae, Eldrado
Guys, Libervalley is a busy man..I agree though, we havent seen much from him and need more diplomatic activity now. Go to New Waldensia if you guys want him to appoint someone new or something. Maybe a referendum?
Creeperopolis, Helpfull People, Viridus, Eldrado
Hi. I'm here from another conservative region that was kinda toxic and filled with voter fraud.
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado
FCN: >Gains members due to SC liberation
FCN: >loses some members
Some guy: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=455674
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, New Gandor, Krich Aerd, Eldrado
Free Attention Part 2
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium
#LoveGagiumsHate
Creeperopolis, New Gandor, Gagium, Libernovusamericae, Eldrado
maybe this time we can get that shiny badge
Viridus, Gagium
I wish, last time would've been even better if we got 80+ members and a shiny badge
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium
Can anyone fill me in on whats happening?
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine
Can we not get liberated guys? Thank you
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Libernovusamericae
Idk, we're being targeted for liberation again on the exact same grounds as last time with the exact same "evidence" as last time... and it absolutely failed last time. The vote was like 12,000 against 1,000-3,000 for
Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium
Rip.
What's the claimed reason?
Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine
That we're a bunch of hillbilly racists, fascists pretending to be conservatives
Xyanth, Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium, Starkfield
yall remember part 1
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium
Gotta love the internet.
(Btw I used to be on here a lot, had an old nation. Greatestbanks, cringe name, I know, but I've seen this garbage happen so much.)
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine
When you're still waiting for my comment...
Creeperopolis, Gagium
We should upvote this again to get it back on the list, or do a new one.
Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium
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