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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations

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Nations of the FCN, please vote in the opinion poll, as a Senator it is my responsibility to do what's best for the region and most importantly, to protect nations that aren't in the Senate and maybe even not on the regional Discord: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=129607

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Viridus wrote:Nations of the FCN, please vote in the opinion poll, as a Senator it is my responsibility to do what's best for the region and most importantly, to protect nations that aren't in the Senate and maybe even not on the regional Discord: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=129607

Yes means we should allow communism, right? Because if communism gets banned again you guys are gonna force me to leave, huh? This is an important poll for my nation.

Gagium, Lalop

Reunited Soviets wrote:Yes means we should allow communism, right? Because if communism gets banned again you guys are gonna force me to leave, huh? This is an important poll for my nation.

Have we forced you to leave at all?

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Viridus wrote:Have we forced you to leave at all?

We should have, yet didn't you say that you weren't really a communist? Anyways, the idea from the start was to allow the Senate and/or the President to pardon specific nations for specific purposes, unfortunately it didn't last as Gagium was unaware of the fact that he didn't have executive orders at that point (and he's out of 'em right now too)

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Viridus wrote:Have we forced you to leave at all?

Not yet, but I need to confirm what I’m voting for, because I may forced out by some of the more extreme nations if this poll goes against me, so I need to know, does saying yes to this poll agree to allow communism, or ban communism?

Gagium

Reunited Soviets wrote:Not yet, but I need to confirm what I’m voting for, because I may forced out by some of the more extreme nations if this poll goes against me, so I need to know, does saying yes to this poll agree to allow communism, or ban communism?

(Refer to my second post). And, the question is "Do you want to allow communism in here" yes or no

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Viridus wrote:(Refer to my second post). And, the question is "Do you want to allow communism in here" yes or no

Alright, thanks

Viridus, Gagium

Viridus wrote:Nations of the FCN, please vote in the opinion poll, as a Senator it is my responsibility to do what's best for the region and most importantly, to protect nations that aren't in the Senate and maybe even not on the regional Discord: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=129607

"DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM" -Liberty Prime

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Communism and socialism is a poison. Being that we are in fact a conservative region, the existence of it here is frightening

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, New Alaskans

Lee America wrote:Communism and socialism is a poison. Being that we are in fact a conservative region, the existence of it here is frightening

What's even more frightening is that the supposed "anti-communist" "Conservative" party is the one voting to allow them here

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Viridus wrote:What's even more frightening is that the supposed "anti-communist" "Conservative" party is the one voting to allow them here

It seems like we have a lot of posers. The devils are infiltrating left and right.

Viridus, Gagium, New Alaskans

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Blueflarst wrote:I allow them stay i am more focused on banning the liberalism and the libertarian and soviet can be useful againist liberal poison

When communism is literally a thousand times worse than liberalism

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Lalop

Viridus wrote:What's even more frightening is that the supposed "anti-communist" "Conservative" party is the one voting to allow them here

Yeah, problem here is: There's one person trying to speak for a whole political party.

Gagium

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Blueflarst wrote:The revolutionaries based their ideas on organic rather than materialistic thinking, on quality instead of quantity, and on Volksgemeinschaft ("ethnic community") rather than class conflict and "mob rule". These writers produced a profusion of radical nationalistic literature that consisted of war diaries, combat fictional works, political journalism, manifestos and philosophical treatises outlining their ideas for the transformation of German cultural and political life. Outraged by liberalism and egalitarianism and rejecting the commercial culture of industrial and urban civilization, they advocated the destruction of the liberal order

You talking about the Nazis?

Gagium

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Lee America wrote:Communism and socialism is a poison. Being that we are in fact a conservative region, the existence of it here is frightening

Whether I agree with that or not, being conservative to me means supporting freedom. Even if that is the freedom to support a dumb ideology. If we forcefully out those we disagree with are we any better than the lefties?

New Waldensia, Gagium, Doge Republics

Viridus wrote:What's even more frightening is that the supposed "anti-communist" "Conservative" party is the one voting to allow them here

It’s gonna be real hard for me to stay here if you guys decide to ban communism. Aren’t you guys about political freedom? Aren’t you guys trying to have an enviornment that doesn’t descriminate? Im not here to sew dissent, just take a look at the CPFCN that was created by me, it’s pro democratic, anti-Fascist, what else do guys want? Sure, be careful with the Communist Nations, but don’t ban them!

New Waldensia, Gagium, Lalop

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New Alaskans wrote:Whether I agree with that or not, being conservative to me means supporting freedom. Even if that is the freedom to support a dumb ideology. If we forcefully out those we disagree with are we any better than the lefties?

Idk, I see it more as an issue of regional security and plus real conservative nations will probably leave because of commies

Gagium, New Alaskans

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New Alaskans wrote:Whether I agree with that or not, being conservative to me means supporting freedom. Even if that is the freedom to support a dumb ideology. If we forcefully out those we disagree with are we any better than the lefties?

I’m talking just our region. We are a CONSERVATIVE region. It would be different if we weren’t..

Viridus, Gagium, New Alaskans

New Alaskans wrote:Whether I agree with that or not, being conservative to me means supporting freedom. Even if that is the freedom to support a dumb ideology. If we forcefully out those we disagree with are we any better than the lefties?

This is exactly the same for me.

Gagium, New Alaskans

If the region bans communism,it will spell as the death of political freedoms in the region.

Gagium, Laka Strolistandiler

Lalop wrote:If the region bans communism,it will spell as the death of political freedoms in the region.

Communism has been banned in the region until yesterday

Viridus, Coastal English Districts, New Alaskans

If we ban political freedoms it makes us no better then commies themselves.

Confederate Commonwealths, Gagium, Laka Strolistandiler

Gagium wrote:Communism has been banned in the region until yesterday

Yes,but there was no communists in the region so there was no problem.

Lalop wrote:Yes,but there was no communists in the region so there was no problem.

Reunited Soviets has been in the region for longer than yesterday?

Viridus, Lalop

You know who did not let opposing groups in there country. The USSR,China,Cuba and Nazi germany. Great counties for us to be modeling our region off of... NOT!

Confederate Commonwealths, Gagium

Viridus wrote:Idk, I see it more as an issue of regional security and plus real conservative nations will probably leave because of commies

If we allow them in it can open doors to conversations that can show them how we really think. Maybe change come minds. But I will have to agree with you when it comes to security. We can't allow communist regions to get a foothold here. Honestly i'm torn.

Viridus, Gagium, Laka Strolistandiler, Lee America, Lalop

Gagium wrote:Reunited Soviets has been in the region for longer than yesterday?

Once he came we were drawing up the bill,and sorting things out,there was also confusion if he was going to stay or not.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:You know who did not let opposing groups in there country. The USSR,China,Cuba and Nazi germany. Great counties for us to be modeling our region of of... NOT!

You know who let commies into their nation? USSR, China and Nazi Germany. Can you guess what happened next? Genocide

Gagium, Lee America

Lalop wrote:Yes,but there was no communists in the region so there was no problem.

because it was banned chief...

Viridus, Gagium

New Alaskans wrote:If we allow them in it can open doors to conversations that can show them how we really think. Maybe change come minds. But I will have to agree with you when it comes to security. We can't allow communist regions to get a foothold here. Honestly i'm torn.

As a compromise,we can put all communists under surveillance-eg my senate bill.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:You know who did not let opposing groups in there country. The USSR,China,Cuba and Nazi germany. Great counties for us to be modeling our region of of... NOT!

I don’t necessarily care about the outcome of this too much, I’ll be fine with either decision, however, when comparing a democratic nationstates region of about 125 to real-life authoritarian nations of several million, keep in mind that we’re a community that is intended for conservatives/right-wing nations and communists have been our enemy for as long as I could remember, and that banjecting/ejecting communists in a game is different than executing/killing political dissidents irl

Viridus, Coastal English Districts, New Alaskans, Lalop

Lalop wrote:As a compromise,we can put all communists under surveillance-eg my senate bill.

I've already got a compromise bill ready, just waiting for my first bill to pass

Gagium, New Alaskans, Lalop

Gagium wrote:I don’t necessarily care about the outcome of this too much, I’ll be fine with either decision, however, when comparing a democratic nationstates region of about 125 to real-life authoritarian nations of several million, keep in mind that we’re a community that is intended for conservatives/right-wing nations and communists have been our enemy for as long as I could remember, and that banjecting/ejecting communists in a game is different than executing/killing political dissidents irl

Well said lmao

Gagium

Viridus wrote:You know who let commies into their nation? USSR, China and Nazi Germany. Can you guess what happened next? Genocide

America lets communists in the country. In fact,there is even a tiny communist party. And you would agree,that america is a shining city on a hill.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:America lets communists in the country. In fact,there is even a tiny communist party. And you would agree,that america is a shining city on a hill.

Isn't there a bill from the 60s that bans all communist parties?

Gagium

Viridus wrote:Isn't there a bill from the 60s that bans all communist parties?

Look up communist party USA. Tiny but it exists.

Gagium

Viridus wrote:I've already got a compromise bill ready, just waiting for my first bill to pass

Can we see the contents of said bill? If its ready?

Viridus, Gagium

Lalop wrote:Look up communist party USA. Tiny but it exists.

Oh, and I'm just remembering a communist organization... it's on the tip of my tongue... hmm... oh that's right, Antifa

Gagium, New Alaskans, Lalop

Viridus wrote:Isn't there a bill from the 60s that bans all communist parties?

Yes, but it's not enforced

Viridus, Gagium

Lalop wrote:Can we see the contents of said bill? If its ready?

It's too early to propose it

Gagium

Viridus wrote:Oh, and I'm just remembering a communist organization... it's on the tip of my tongue... hmm... oh that's right, Antifa

(AKA Hypocrisy Gang)

Viridus, Gagium

New Alaskans wrote:(AKA Hypocrisy Gang)

The anti-fascist fascists

Gagium, New Alaskans, Laka Strolistandiler

What’s with all these goddamned protestors in the Gallery? Arrest them

“The sergeant-in-arms has restored order in the gallery”

“The sergeant-in-arms will restore order in the gallery”

Me rn

Viridus, New Alaskans

Viridus wrote:The anti-fascist fascists

Haha so true

Viridus, Gagium

By the way, almost 300 RMB pages now, gg

New Waldensia, Gagium, New Alaskans

This is about the region dammit. Stop treating it like an actual nation, and like a region. We are a region of conservatives, and communism goes against conservative values. If we really want to survive in this liberal run nation states, then measures to defend our region from the likes of the commies must be enforced.

Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Rivine, New Alaskans, Gran Argreriana

Lee America wrote:This is about the region dammit. Stop treating it like an actual nation, and like a region. We are a region of conservatives, and communism goes against conservative values. If we really want to survive in this liberal run nation states, then measures to defend our region from the likes of the commies must be enforced.

👏👏

Viridus

I’m all for freedom. Hell, some of the policies in the nations here I’ve endorsed I can’t agree with, but I still endorsed. This is not an issue of freedom and democracy, but of the well being of our region.

Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, New Alaskans

Lee America wrote:I’m all for freedom. Hell, some of the policies in the nations here I’ve endorsed I can’t agree with, but I still endorsed. This is not an issue of freedom and democracy, but of the well being of our region.

Plus NS policies and stats are mostly inaccurate

Gagium, New Alaskans, Lee America

Lee America wrote:This is about the region dammit. Stop treating it like an actual nation, and like a region. We are a region of conservatives, and communism goes against conservative values. If we really want to survive in this liberal run nation states, then measures to defend our region from the likes of the commies must be enforced.

Conservative regions should be an example to those who find themselves on the left side of the political compass. If we empliment the same tactics of suppression and thought control how are we any better then the communists? We can't claim any moral or political high ground if we are just as oppressive as the nations and ideologies we claim to oppose. I totally disagree with the ideology of communism, but if we stoop to their level then we become just as bad as they are. If we use the same tactics as the communists we become hypocrites. This is why I believe we should not ban communism or communists from our region.

Gagium, New Alaskans, Lalop

Confederate Commonwealths wrote:Conservative regions should be an example to those who find themselves on the left side of the political compass. If we empliment the same tactics of suppression and thought control how are we any better then the communists? We can't claim any moral or political high ground if we are just as oppressive as the nations and ideologies we claim to oppose. I totally disagree with the ideology of communism, but if we stoop to their level then we become just as bad as they are. If we use the same tactics as the communists we become hypocrites. This is why I believe we should not ban communism or communists from our region.

It's not like we're committing genocide and killing over 100 million people. Plus, they just can't be in the region, we don't suppress posts

Gagium, Lalop

Viridus wrote:It's not like we're committing genocide and killing over 100 million people. Plus, they just can't be in the region, we don't suppress posts

The Communist nations on this site aren't committing genocide either. Do you want to debate about Nation States or real life? Stop flip-flopping when it’s convenient for you. Plus saying that you don't suppress posts is ridiculous. Of course you're not suppressing posts because if you don't let people you disagree with join the region you don't have anything to suppress. By banning communist regions, you are preventing discussion and indirectly suppressing ideas. I also would like to know what this bill would mean for communist nations already in the region. Will they be banned? If they are allowed to stay will they be allowed to participate in regional discussion? If they are banned, again you are preventing people from just have a discussion. If you prevent them from talking about communism, then you are suppressing posts. You can't ban an ideology and try to maintain a moral high ground. Either you want to show the freedoms that go hand in hand with conservative ideals, or you admit that you are just as extreme as communist nations.

Gagium

Grabs extremely buttered popcorn

Creeperopolis

Very interesting debate going on..I’m honestly split

Coastal English Districts

Alright, so here’s the thing, it’s obvious I’m going to advocate for this bill. And most of you probably don’t agree with the Union’s Policies, or past, but I assure you my hostilities don’t go toward this region, it goes toward nations such as the The Enclave Region Of The Ussd, I’m trying to integrate myself in the Federation, and note I’m not trying to start a coup in the region as that other nation/region did, and I’ve been here for a few days, and so far I’m not impressed, my communist party isn’t even a standard communist party, so what’s the big deal here? Are you afraid I’m gonna cause more issues? Why would I? I have no reason to damage the region, I just wanna be part of it, sure, be careful with the Communist regions, but don’t ban them!

New Waldensia, Gagium, Lalop

Seems Viridus proposed a bill that allows the president to pardon people, but bans communism.

Gagium, Rivine

My hangup on the issue is, is it consistent with conservative principles to outright ban an ideology?

Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley, Coastal English Districts

News from the TEA party

The tea party,the biggest libertarian group in the FCN has added 2 more WA members! They are Confederate Commonwealths and Korechislovska! Long live liberty of all kinds!

Confederate Farmers, Confederate Commonwealths, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine

factboock also updated.

Confederate Farmers, Gagium

Lalop wrote:News from the TEA party

The tea party,the biggest libertarian group in the FCN has added 2 more WA members! They are Confederate Commonwealths and Korechislovska! Long live liberty of all kinds!

Cool!

New Waldensia wrote:My hangup on the issue is, is it consistent with conservative principles to outright ban an ideology?

I would say it's more of a NP thing than a CP thing.

Gagium

My opinion is if we ban communism, we ban fascism too. We're talking about extreme ideologies, which meet if you refer to the horseshoe effect analogy. I think we should allow moderates, centrists, right and left wingers as these are opinions which can coexist. Fascism and communism are anti democracy and do not mix with the other opinions/ideologies stated above. In fact it can soften said views to those of the extreme, which is a threat. I would agree it would be right to pardon such individuals as the nation concerned in this debate, whose said themselves, we reserve the right to keep an eye on such nations which may flag up security concerns.

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Turghan

Any government ideology which threatens Democracy should go. Now, as for the case for Reunited Soviets, they haven't posed a threat to the region nor sent their flying monkeys to drop Pro-Communist leaflets in our telegram boxes. Besides, I believe RS mentioned that they are just Communist for the game's sake. But all that aside, if it's fascist or commie and blatantly so...it goes bye bye.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Lee America

As conservatives we should be above the left in terms of acceptance we must allow reigons with communism but we have to make sure they aren't serious this guy's just playing a game messing around he's not a Stalin and he is respectable as a person but its up to everyone I could take it or leave it

Viridus, Gagium, Turghan

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1104426

Upvote this!

The Proposal Failed Terribly!

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

I feel my bill idea was a good compromise that can be adjusted. It doesn't give foreign ideological nations control over the region but it allows them to participate in it which is the goal I would hope we are all after. Plus if we ever feel like it isn't working like we thought we can always repeal it.

Coastal English Districts

So, how is y'all?

Viridus

New Waldensia where does the conservative party and your campaign stand on the communist acceptance issue? Do you stand with political freedoms?

Marximburg wrote:So, how is y'all?

Pretty good, we've had a spike in active members recently

Coastal English Districts, Marximburg, Lalop

TEA party Campaign ad 2

Vote TEA in October,or your political freedoms will be over!

TEA Party:The biggest pro civil liberties party in the FCN

LIBERTY OR DEATH!

Confederate Commonwealths, Gagium

Lalop wrote:TEA party Campaign ad 2

Vote TEA in October,or your political freedoms will be over!

TEA Party:The biggest pro civil liberties party in the FCN

LIBERTY OR DEATH!

As an Englishman, I find your use of Tea propaganda much disturbing...

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Lalop, Bamgo

Coastal English Districts wrote:As an Englishman, I find your use of Tea propaganda much disturbing...

American tea party,not real tea,lol.

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

Confederate Commonwealths wrote:Conservative regions should be an example to those who find themselves on the left side of the political compass. If we empliment the same tactics of suppression and thought control how are we any better then the communists? We can't claim any moral or political high ground if we are just as oppressive as the nations and ideologies we claim to oppose. I totally disagree with the ideology of communism, but if we stoop to their level then we become just as bad as they are. If we use the same tactics as the communists we become hypocrites. This is why I believe we should not ban communism or communists from our region.

Part of conservative values is free speech and the refusal to violently oppose that which you do not agree with by controlling dialogue and thought. But I do not see this as synonymous with keeping communists out.

Any nation or region, conservative or otherwise, has laws set in order to maintain peace and stability. The fact that they prohibit certain behaviours doesn't not mean they're oppressive in nature. To use a very common example, murder is illegal virtually everywhere. Only in the most radical, pedantic mind does that constitute a limit or suppression of freedom. Likewise, communism is an inherently murderous and violent ideology. It leads to nothing but suppression and poverty. In literally every instance it has been attempted, regardless of location, culture, or era, it has led to mass suffering and death. Thought control and oppression on a scale unseen in human history. Keeping something like that out after studying its history and belief system isn't exclusionary so much as it is rational.

Banning its discussion or even mention would be against conservative values, although I don't think that's the issue here.

New around here by the way, seems like a nice place to hang out. Most regions I've been to have been awful

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium

Lalop wrote:TEA party Campaign ad 2

Vote TEA in October,or your political freedoms will be over!

TEA Party:The biggest pro civil liberties party in the FCN

LIBERTY OR DEATH!

That sounds an awfully lot like scare tactics to me..

“Vote TEA or your political freedoms will be over”

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Freezic Vast

Lalop wrote:TEA party Campaign ad 2

Vote TEA in October,or your political freedoms will be over!

TEA Party:The biggest pro civil liberties party in the FCN

LIBERTY OR DEATH!

Your taking campaigning very seriously

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Lalop

I’ve got one question for all of you, what’s with the Union Of Conservative States? From what I can see you guys don’t get along too well

Gagium, Coastal English Districts

Reunited Soviets wrote:I’ve got one question for all of you, what’s with the Union Of Conservative States? From what I can see you guys don’t get along too well

1. It's a region built by the traitorous scum of our region

2. It's a region built by the criminals that broke the law over a game

3. It's a region built by the dudes that used multiple WA accounts to try to use the WA to get revenge on us for kicking them out

Creeperopolis, Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Gagium, Lalop

Reunited Soviets wrote:I’ve got one question for all of you, what’s with the Union Of Conservative States? From what I can see you guys don’t get along too well

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1093039

here is all you need to know

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

in my opinion, VOTE FOR THE NATIONALIST PARTY! DON'T ALLOW THE REDS TO INFILTRATE! RATHER DEAD THAN RED!

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

Gran Argreriana wrote:in my opinion, VOTE FOR THE NATIONALIST PARTY! DON'T ALLOW THE REDS TO INFILTRATE! RATHER DEAD THAN RED!

Would you like to join the Nationalist Party? lol

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

Gran Argreriana wrote:in my opinion, VOTE FOR THE NATIONALIST PARTY! DON'T ALLOW THE REDS TO INFILTRATE! RATHER DEAD THAN RED!

Viridus wrote:Would you like to join the Nationalist Party? lol

You should join. We're RP allies anyway

Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Gran Argreriana

Post self-deleted by Gagium.

Post self-deleted by [nation=noflag]Gagium[/nation].

K

Viridus, Gagium

Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.

Lermantian Army

Gagium Did you mention me?

Viridus, Gagium

Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.

Lermantian Army

And also Creeperopolis pls give Gagium my question. I need the answer, He didn't asnwer me.

Gagium

Lermantian Army wrote:And also Creeperopolis pls give Gagium my question. I need the answer, He didn't asnwer me.

You want to get yourself deleted from NS like your idol, CK?

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium, Lermantian Army

Lermantian Army wrote:And also Creeperopolis pls give Gagium my question. I need the answer, He didn't asnwer me.

no u

Gagium

Guelder and New Waldensia are running against each other in the primary!!!

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.

Lermantian Army

Wow, People trying to allow communism in the FCN. That's sad...

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Libervalley wrote:Guelder and New Waldensia are running against each other in the primary!!!

Wow, I didn't realize that Guelder was still active, best of luck to both of 'em though

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium

Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.

Lermantian Army

Viridus wrote:Who want to get yourself deleted from NS like your idol, CK?

No Thanks, I'm just a little curious

Gagium

Libervalley wrote:Guelder and New Waldensia are running against each other in the primary!!!

is Guelder an independent?

Gagium, Coastal English Districts

Post by Lermantian Army suppressed by Gagium.

Lermantian Army

Gonna leave y'all Bye!

New Waldensia, Gagium

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