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Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Your previous source is biased as well implying that society today is as exclusive as in the past and that recognizing some similarities between Christianity (which was based off of Judaism) and Judaism is somehow racist. In western society today, people of all groups are the freest they have ever been. No where else can really compare. Maybe you dont think religion played a role in this, but to think that the word and the the idea of Judeo-Christian beliefs is inherently racist and divisive is purely not true.
Also, Ben Shapiro is not a far-rightist. He has denounced the alt-right time and time again and he has received countless death threats from them. He is a conservative Jew with an opinion that is different from yours and you should still hear him out. I dont agree with all your points yet I still researched your side of the argument. However, I have one question. Just humour me. If it was not for Judeo-Christian values, what set aside western civilization (if you believe western civilization did indeed achieve great things) and what policies/cultural norms set us on this path? In conclusion, this topic could be further debated and I appreciate the civil discourse.
Caezar, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Bamgo
We dont need feminism.
The west is the most equal society tbh.
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
What if a TV show looks Japanese but is actually made in America, or another Western nation? :thinking:
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado
The politics behind the phrase, which is a modern and misleading one, is inherently divisive and racist. Hence why it is ovewhelmingly rejected by Jews.
Once one recognizes that Christianity has historically engendered antisemitism, then this so-called tradition appears as dangerous Christian dogma (at least from a Jewish perspective). For Christians, the concept of a Judeo-Christian tradition comfortably suggests that Judaism progresses into Christianitythat Judaism is somehow completed in Christianity. The concept of a Judeo-Christian tradition flows from the Christian theology of supersession, whereby the Christian covenant (or Testament) with God supersedes the Jewish one. Christianity, according to this belief, reforms and replaces Judaism. The belief therefore implies, first, that Judaism needs reformation and replacement, and second, that modern Judaism remains merely as a "relic". Most importantly the belief of the Judeo-Christian tradition insidiously obscures the real and significant differences between Judaism and Christianity.
- Stephen M. Feldman (1998), Please Don't Wish Me a Merry Christmas: A Critical History of the Separation of Church and State
Whatever he may proclaim himself to be, he's a bigot and a liar.
Christian values helped guide Europe's path, certainly. To simplify it, Western Civilization = Greek Philosophy + Roman Law + Christian theology. In truth the foundation of Western civilization existed long before Christ and rests in the hands of the Greeks and Romans. Absent the rise of Christianity, Europe still would have taken its lessons from "the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome."
In truth "Judeo-Christian" is a PR term that modern Christians use to act as if their beliefs stretch all the way back to the original Jewish forefathers of their religion and are therefore sacrosanct, despite the fact that Jews have pretty much always had radically different interpretations of scripture.
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
Also I think my point about the unnecessary apostrophe stands unchallenged.
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Well we all have our prejudices .
Left are prejudiced to the white race to a degree and They are also prejudiced toward the Judeo Christian values .
Unless of course sometimes there is water down,unbiblical manmade liberal theology from the mainline churches .
Ben Shapiro is right at attacking religious extremism at least .
Arabs also make woman wear burqas, and say polygamy is perfectly acceptable and have homosexuality as the death penalty .
Not to mention just recently have legalize women driving cars
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Vote Vens Verbum for president!
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Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Confederate Soldier
NO
Caezar, Gagium
I am the Senate.
Caezar, Viridus, New Gandor, Gagium
Weird flex but okay.
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium
Yes
Caezar, Gagium
Hey why hasn't the poll been updated for the presidency yet?
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Marvinton, The Confederate Soldier
Ye
Caezar, Gagium
I wanna join the join the Conservative Party just to be a part of the political compass chart lol
Caezar, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium
Join the Nationalist!
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Monkaslavia
But you guys don't have a chart, and that's unacceptable
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium
No u
Caezar, Gagium
dude first of calm down ben Shapiro isn't the anti Christ .
2 Christianity literally turned the world upside down thanks to the apostles
3 judo Christian values have played a significant part of western civilization . people like Adolph hitler and his second and command wanted Germany to return to the gold old days of Norse paganism golly I kind of wish Darnolia rRossiya Osnovnyye where in this region right now
Caezar, New Waldensia, New Gandor, Gagium
we can add one
Caezar, Gagium, The Confederate Soldier
Epic
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium
HEIL THE NP!
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium
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Everyone vote for Creeperopolis! Hail Creeper! Hail the FCN!
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Gorefield
To claim Been Shapiro as "alt-right" shows a completely ignorant stance on what alt-right actually is. He has completely and consistently denied the alt-right and was in fact the number one receiver of anti-semtic hate. Also, you seem to be playing into this bigoted card a lot, which I might ask, what makes an opinion bigoted? Because it disagrees with yours? When you say that what your really saying is that your assuming our opinion is a result of some racist, uneducated, or privileged stance. I argue the Judeao-Christian worldview because it was and has been the greatest source of change in the modern world. To be honest nearly a your sources seem to imply a blatantly anti-christian stance suggesting that somehow Christianity in of itself is an anti-semetic relgion. Again incorrect. All Apostles and the early Church were Jews and in Christian eschatology Jews play are central part to the return of Christ. No doubt anti-semetic belief has arisen the Church, though mainly in the Catholic delusion and Orthodox extremism. That however, does not mean that a) it is consistent with Christian theology and b)the majority of Christians have been anti-semetic
However, I do find your stance that it is a loaded term interesting. Again, it feels as though your putting something into my statement that I myself obviously am not. When I say Judeao-Christian that means the moral and ethical commonality that the two religions shares of which there is a lot. Yes, obviously they differ, but there is numerous similarities between the two religions. As you say the the majority of Jews have never accepted that term I a) Do not believe that as your sources are easily as biased as me and mine that I have used to come to my opinion b)Again even if that is this case it does not matter. Why? I do need the majority of Jews to approve of it! I'm not alt-right, the term existed long before then, and I am implying no racism or anti-semetic rhetoric
c)Just because someone claims something is offensive or racist does not mean it actually is. For example, if I say black people, many nowadays would get extremely offended and call me racist, however "straight white men" is common place in political discussion. When I say it am I racist? No, even if they claim so and when they say it are they? Some maybe yes some maybe no depends on the person!
Again, you say all this, but go look at places before the Judeao-Christian worldview or ones without it. Muslim countries as a majority, are terrible. Anti-semetic, killing infedels, no freedom of expression, religion, speech, and if any body is bigoted I'd say the people who behead gays on a daily are.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judeo-Christian-ethic.html
https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v01-n05/is-christianity-anti-semitic/
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So the race begins!
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Marvinton
I would recommend reading up a bit more on these people before you stereotype them. "Arabs" don't make anyone wear anything, some Muslims do. And it's Saudi Arabia that just recently let women drive, other Muslim nations have been doing it for decades.
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
[quote=confederate_farmers;35103956]dude first of calm down ben Shapiro isn't the anti Christ .[/quote]
Not an an argument, especially coming from someone who can't differentiate between Arabs and Muslims.
[quote=confederate_farmers;35103956]2 Christianity literally turned the world upside down thanks to the apostles/quote]
Genghis Khan turned the world upside down. It isn't an argument.
[quote=confederate_farmers;35103956]3 judo Christian values have played a significant part of western civilization . people like Adolph hitler and his second and command wanted Germany to return to the gold old days of Norse paganism golly I kind of wish Darnolia rRossiya Osnovnyye where in this region right now[/quote]
Christian values have, as I established. "Judeo-Christian" is a modern revision rooted in supersession and bigotry. And Himmler was the pagan occultist, which Hitler poked fun at. Hitler was mostly irreligious, which is to be expected with an ultra-nationalist who dislikes outside rivals to authority.
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium
He's denied it when it fits him for an argument, just as he does with Trump. Call him far-right, alt-right, whatever, he isn't a reliable source for reasons I've pointed out.
I'd say that saying things like "X Race lives in sewage" would make it bigoted. And I'd proudly disagree with it. If you want to fight for it, it's your right.
I wouldn't actively assume you're all racist, and privileged is a silly leftist buzzword. You're just uneducated on the history and use of "Judeo-Christian," as many conservatives are. Which is why I've been posting links I assume no one is reading because it challenges their preconceived notions.
Can you argue why when it's a recent invention? Christianity and Judaism have radically different interpretations. I recommend you ask a rabbi about this. Tweet a Jewish Israeli for their view on being lumped in with Christians, you'll find it enlightening.
The apostles and early church could be giraffes, it wouldn't stop people centuries later from hunting giraffes. Look up supersession and try to understand how demeaning to Judaism it is.
They share similarities with Islam too. Why not Judeo-Christian-Islamic?
This is amusing. The opinions of Jews being lumped in with your political movement and terminology doesn't matter, but it isn't bigoted! Yikes.
Maybe instead of worrying about whether or not Christianity as a whole is being accused of antisemitism, realize that's not the primary point being debated. Judaism is not broken, and it doesn't require Christianity to be "completed" or "fixed" or whatever. If you think it does, you're being ignorant at the very least and, yes, antisemitic at the worst.
In any case, I don't think this benefits either of us to continue debating. I cited a source with a rabbi and you shrugged it off with "what does it matter what the Jews think" so I don't really find you worth continuing to discuss this with.
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
Me saying I'm a Jew who grew up Orthodox is anecdotal. You quoting a Rabbai it's not in the least anecdotal. I'd say us debating any further probably isn't a good idea either since your the only who can bring evidence that is worthy to be considered 🙄
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Viridus, New Gandor, Gagium, Eldrado, Marvinton, Gorefield
I'm Jewish too, I just considered it too anecdotal to use as an argument. But yes, I agree with your point on evidence presented.
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
Vote for Vens Verbum!
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We can make that happen!
Creeperopolis, Liberated American Provinces, Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1196247
Maybe. But that seems like a diplomatic/foreign affairs job. And technically the WA Delegate is our Head Diplomat. So in a sense we already have that.
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, South Artheria, Eldrado, Marvinton
you guys write way too much regarding politics. how do you have time for this?
also, vote for creeper
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Dino Fcn Mission, Gorefield
Fake news
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium, South Artheria, Eldrado, Marvinton
no u
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
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1. I guess Judeo-Christian values can be interpreted in a few ways. From what you have said, you believe it has been used in a negative connotation to refer to the Jewish Religion (and others) as inferior to Christianity or a step below it. My view is that the term refers to the similarities between the two religions and their impact (large or small) on the Western World. Going back to the original statement that sparked to this debate, I think it is fair to say that the Sons Of Adam party do not wish to use the term negatively, install a theology, or convert people to Christianity or Judaism and that maybe you would be better suited in a different party (or even make your own).
2. Ive stated my views of Ben Shapiro and I still stand by them. I respect your opinion still.
3. For the most part, I agree with the last paragraph. Western Culture flourished due to many positive and negative events. I never implied that Christianity or Judaism or even only religion was the reason Western Society has succeeded in many aspects. I strongly believe in balance and I think that our culture (especially in the past) has been heavily influenced by Christianity and Judaism but certainly not by religion alone. Western Civilization is thought to have began with Greece and Rome which were not Jewish or Christian nations. It would be preposterous to think being of a certain religion automatically makes you successful but it has to do with how people think. https://www.timemaps.com/civilizations/medieval-europe/
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, New Gandor, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Why am I not on the poll?
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado, Marvinton
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado, Crim Crim
You didnt apply crimmy bb owo
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado, Marvinton, Crim Crim
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The Rouge Christmas State, Caezar, New Waldensia, Viridus, New Gandor, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Monkaslavia has been made aware of the fire in Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral. Our condolences and thoughts go out to the people of France.
The Rouge Christmas State, Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Rivine, Eldrado, Marvinton, Hyat, Eire-Alba
Here's the article for anyone wondering what is going on.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/massive-fire-breaks-out-in-notre-dame-cathedral-in-paris
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Rivine, Eldrado, Hyat, Eire-Alba, Monkaslavia, Israeli Commonwealth
Awful to see such a historic building go up in flames.
The Rouge Christmas State, Caezar, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Rivine, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
Yeah, I hope they'll be able to rebuild it, but I fear we might've lost too much already
The Rouge Christmas State, Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado, Hyat
https://mobile.twitter.com/JewishWorker/status/1117852186933964802
The carrion-fowl come.
Fire isn't even out yet, and people are already dragging in politics.
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado, Hyat
If that is the case, then at least it survived to see the age of information, I doubt that there hasn't been virtual recreations of it made already.
Nevertheless, it is still terrible to see.
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado
Well, it is Twitter. gag
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, The Reddington States, Eldrado, Polish Prussian Commonwealth
Cmon SoA!
Caezar, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado
Don't you mean Vens? One does not vote for a party, rather, for an individual
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado
I mean "Cmon SoA" as in "Start ffffing voting SoA"
Caezar, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado
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Hey man vote SoA
Caezar, Gagium
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Ohhhh ok
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
Don't you mean vote for Vens?
Caezar, Viridus, Eldrado, Marvinton, Israeli Commonwealth
They already have
ikr as well as the Bamgo voters?
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado, Marvinton, Israeli Commonwealth
Vote Vens Verbum for President!
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Go SoA!
Caezar, New Gandor, Gagium, Rivine, Marvinton
New Waldensia Is my application good?
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
vote bamgo ftw
Caezar, Gagium, Israeli Commonwealth
They aren't really active, and as such, I don't think of them when I think of the SoA
No
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
...New Waldensia?
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
I love how you quoted foxnews
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
It is the only trustworthy news source after all
Caezar, Gagium, South Artheria, Eldrado, Marvinton, Israeli Commonwealth
Hell yes man
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado, Marvinton
Maybe all the conservatives should vote SoA?
Caezar, Gagium
He's...voting for Vens, not 'SoA'
Caezar, New Waldensia, Viridus, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
ikr, I'm smh my head rn
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
I heard the foxnews article on the notre dame fire is biased against the democrats
Caezar, South Artheria, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
Im sorry. He votes for Vens. And again. Vote Vens. Cause Vens is epic
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
No.
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Yes
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
VOTE FOR CREEPER
Creeperopolis, Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Creeper where?! AHH NO MY HOUSE AAAAAHHHHHH
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
His VP candidate is a weeb!
Caezar, South Artheria, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
*cough*
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
Who?
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
Lmao
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
our vp is a god
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado
Who!? Me! Oh wait.... :(
Caezar, Viridus, Gagium
Correction **socialist**
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*cough cough*
Caezar, Gagium, Eldrado
This announcement is one I have spent some time on and I have talked with Vens and Have decided that I will be Supporting him in order to beat Creeper I want the best for the region and the Best step forward are the ideas me and Vens seemed to agree on and I believe he will accomplish what I want for the region and will serve the Region with the best Intentions I am Voting for him now and I encourage others to do the same
Caezar, Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Eldrado, Marvinton
Are you okay???
Caezar, Eldrado, Israeli Commonwealth
dont
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actually do
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