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Tyranny of majority is prevented by separation of powers and a constitution with a bill of rights as I mentioned. The electoral college adds nothing to protect from tyranny of majority unless you are fan of oligarchy.
You can win the electoral college with 22% of the popular vote. Any system where that can happen is flawed. Both examples you pointed out are parliamentary systems which do not support. I like the Presidential system, but it should be decided by a voting system which meets the Condorcet criterion on nearly every occasion.
Confederate Farmers, Gagium
That's not how it works though. Despite what the experts say, the executive is the most powerful branch of the American government; look how much damage Obama did to this country, and that was with the legislature and the judicial system aligned against him.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium
How could I forget the most important regional event this year.
Confederate Farmers, Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium
Ikr
Viridus
Bro
Viridus, Gagium
post: exists
Gagium: oh baby I gotta like that
Viridus, Gagium, New Inglaterra
Liked
Viridus
Ive had to swift through dozens of pages of Greek myth in order to get a feel of how certain...not-kid-friendly subject matter is presented in real life mythology as a basis for my own mythopoetic narratives.
TLDR: I used zeus smut to make more smut
Confederate Farmers, New Inglaterra
So you think the electors should have overruled his election or something? That is just oligarchy.
Viridus, Gagium, New Inglaterra
How?
Gagium
Outstanding post.
Viridus, Gagium
If you win just over 50% in a certain group of states, you would win the electoral college with only 22% of the total vote. Yes, this is impossibly unlikely, but it still can happen. And any system where that can happen should not be used. The same can be said about plurality voting.
Viridus, Gagium
Theres no candidate that would get precisely 0% in every state except states that he wins with over 50%. It cant happen, as you said yourself - impossibly unlikely.
Otira, Furbish Islands, Viridus
Welcome Fotica!
Viridus, Libervalley
Why? Makes sense for a republican government built with principles of federalism to me. It may not make sense to you because you're expecting or wanting a different type of country.
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium
Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.
I understand the argument that the president should represent the states rather than the people, but the electoral college fails in this aspect as well. The only states that matter are the swing states, so the candidates pander to the issues that affect those states most.
Gagium
In non-elector system they'd just pander to the big cities. At least with swing states people who aren't lefty coastal elites or their pawns get to be heard. Not a perfect system, but better than mob rule. It's bad enough in the US as it is.
Viridus, Gagium
It does when you look at it, actually. :|
Furbish Islands, Viridus
Even if they only campaigned in the 20 largest metro areas, that is only about one-third of the population - not enough to win by instant runoff or a similar voting system.
I stand by what I said. The chance is small (probably less than 0.0000000001%), but it's still present.
Gagium
I singlehandedly revived the RMB with smut
Gagium
Only? Hehe indeed.
Gagium
RIP Krankriet, again.
Viridus, Gagium
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Viridus, Gagium
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Viridus, Gagium
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Viridus
Idk who he is so bazinga
Gagium
Campaigning in a city doesn't guarantee you all of the votes; and if both candidates campaign in the cities, then they will likely split the vote of said city at least somewhat. They are far from guaranteed victory by just pandering to the cities.
Gagium
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Vote Albert Redstone, support gamers
He's a redstone engineer
Redstone gang assemble
Furbish Islands, Viridus
Furbish Islands, I'm going to try to update the Conservative Nations Saga in the next week or so.
Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium
Also, anybody interested in joining a NFL fantasy football league? ESPN or NFL.com? RIP the one San Carlos Islands started and deleted.
Furbish Islands, Gagium
Also, in popular vote system you have a greater chance of winning with low percentages. Imagine a close 4-way race where the winner only got 26% of the vote.
Viridus, Gagium
All this talk about electoral systems and democracy is boring af. It's obvious what's the best system and everyone better stfu about it. Fighting to the death.
Viridus
Join the FCN Fantasy Football league! http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=8102002 (password is fcnfootball)
It's also open to embassy regions of the FCN, so pile on in! Hoping to fill out the 10 teams, autodraft is on September 3rd, two days before the first game.
[spoiler=tagging since y'all don't allow embassy posting]The Legion Of Mankind Dragons Of Power[/spoiler]
The Rouge Christmas State, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
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I'll need a citation for this
Gagium
Oh, sorry about that. We had some... evil foreigners.
New Waldensia, Viridus
Just look at the EC results from most every election, save the faithless electors
Gagium
GUESS WHO CAME BACK...
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind
I even experimented with my own region to see if I could full off a reasonable WFE
Gagium
And this is why this account exists
Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens
Who?
Viridus, Paleoconservative Citizens
Idk I think that guy Paleoconservative Citizens came back because his region was going nowhere and he was getting bored and lonely.
Viridus, Gagium
Also I finally have a new flag.
And a better ripple.
Viridus, Gagium
Yall can talk on the MDA RMB now.
Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens
Watch out, comrades,
September arrives...
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1253515
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind
Upvote squad activate btw.
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium
Gagium: *angrily likes*
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
I signed up!
Hail the Legion Hawks!
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
I may need to like this post, but your dispatch is downvoted. "cringecraft" ugh I can't even look at you. >:( september 1 you're banned
Viridus, The Legion Of Mankind, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
I am the Senate
Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
I AM THE SENATE
Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Also why is your Religion Gagiumism
Viridus, Gagium, The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Post self-deleted by The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire.
Hes my lord and savior.
Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
BuT wHo iS gAgIUmS lORD aND sAvIoR
Viridus, Gagium, The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
I can comfirm.
Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Oh okay
Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Am I still in the Conservative Party?
Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Shut up
Viridus, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
Listen to me you peasant.
Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Son.
Viridus, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
Can't spell Gagium without Gum
NOT THAT GUM IS BAD
Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Im sorry my father.....
Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
I fixed it
Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Oh undoubtedly. What percentage of cities do Republicans usually take?
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Lol
Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
Pat Buchanan should run for president
I'd convince my dad to vote for him since I'm not allowed to vote yet...
Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Yikes, try replying two one or two posts at a time.
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
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I'm trying "World of Tanks" out.
What country has the best tank line?
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
I'm pretty sure no one here supports plurality voting. It's just as bad as the electoral college as far I am concerned. My personal preference is a type of Condorcet voting called Copeland's method. In this system, every candidate would be compared head-to-head, and the candidate who would defeat the most candidates would win the election. It's very much like a round-robin tournament, so it would it be easily understood by the majority of the population.
Epic post. My point with the 22% example was that we shouldn't use a system where this can happen when there are other systems where it's completely impossible. I did not need such an extreme and admittedly poor example, however. I could have just said that the electoral college does not meet the Condorcet criterion and left it at that. It was mostly just for shock value.
I don't know off the top of my head, but we can assume that it's much lower than the Democrats. But this doesn't matter really since with a preferential voting system, we wouldn't have a two party system.
Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Soviets. The game is made by Russians. It's totally "unbiased" lol
Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens, Nakuro
Is it even a question? Germany of course
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens, Nakuro
I personally like the German heavy tanks the best, but a lot of the Russian ones are OP
Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
I was thinking that
Viridus, Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
Maybe combine that with earned voting instead of everyone being automatically given the vote.
Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost
How would one go about earning a vote? Like paying taxes or some sort of test?
Viridus, Gagium
Well, when you think about it, there already is a system for "earning a vote", you have to be a certain age along with being a citizen (though the dems are looking to get rid of that last one)
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens
Paying taxes is a good option. There are a lot of options that could be discussed (paying taxes, not relying on state welfare, passing a literacy test, etc).
One of my favorites, perhaps combined with those in some aspect, is that of federal service (military or non-military) as presented by Heinlein in the novel Starship Troopers. To participate in the government of your people, you should have to provide a term of service to your people. And as Heinlein proposes, an aspect of universal suffrage is present in that anyone can try to *earn* the right to vote, regardless of race, sex or creed.
If you haven't read the book, I highly recommend it. Different from the film.
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium
It's scary that I need more qualifications to drive an automobile than to choose the leadership and policies of my nation.
Viridus, Gagium
I think paying taxes would be a reasonable option, but I'm sort of iffy on anything else. Do you play Stellaris by chance?
Gagium
Yes I play Stellaris, how could you tell?
https://i.imgur.com/Y4V9yUV.jpg
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium
The concept of earning your vote always reminds me of the Citizen Stratocracy government type. Starship Troopers also is reminiscent of it as well even though I haven't actually seen it or read the book.
Gagium
I may have made an empire or two with that government type, yes. When I'm not trying to awaken Old Ones to consume the galaxy.
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium
Lol I'm not the best at Stellaris. I mostly enjoy making new empires and interacting with them though I haven't actually played in quite some time. Most recently, I was attempting to make equivalents of Star Wars civilizations.
Gagium
You guys make me fly, high
into a building
Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens
Citizen Stratocracy is the You only get to vote if you fight right
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium
Indeed
Gagium
I usually make alien empires but my human one was indeed a citizen republic.
Vote if you serve, but the military has subsumed all aspects of civilian administration. All government offices are held by military officers.
Citizen Republic, which is what I advocate and played as, is where full citizenship can only be gained through military service. The voting franchise is limited to full citizens, and they are the only ones allowed to hold public offices. Though personally I don't limit it to military service.
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium
Carmel is also known for several unusual laws, including a prohibition on wearing high-heel shoes without a permit, enacted to prevent lawsuits arising from tripping accidents caused by irregular pavement.
[Leftist/Californian] bureaucracy in a nutshell. Rather then fixing their damn sidewalks theyll just outlaw fúcking high-heels.
Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens
STONKS
Gagium, Granluras
Gags should be the king of r/angryupvote. He has proven himself to be a truly angry upvoter of the highest degree.
If you ban me, I'll move to Federation Of Conservative Nuance and serve Maharajah Viridus instead.
Also, YoU wErEn'T sUpPoSeD tO rEaD tHaT!!! >:-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind
Welcome Nakuro!
Viridus, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Nakuro
My Pleasure😊
Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens
Viridus, Gagium
In the movie Cars 2 there is a clear mention of a Car Pope. This obviously means there is a Catholic-esque religion in the Cars universe, a realization with massive indications such as:Car Popes existence implies so many things, such as:
* If Cartholicism exists in this universe, that means that Car Jesus would have had to exist
* Car Jesus would have also had to die on the cross for the sins of Carkind
* Car Jesuss Cruisefiction was presided over by a Roman guy named Pontiac Pilate
* One of the ranks in the Car-Catholic Church is a Cardinal
* Years later, Car-Mel-Gibson will make an adaptation of this story, entitled The Passion of the Chrysler
* The Cartholic Church will be rocked with pedalphile scandals as the eldest Cartholic Officials will be alleged to have fondled the tyres and internal engines of little-boy cars
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, San Carlos Islands, Paleoconservative Citizens
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