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Creeperopolis wrote:im not searching that. im not getting ddosed

prnt.sc is trustworthy though

Creeperopolis, Viridus

Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.

oof,trying not to get commie killed on forums is hard.

Gagium

Post by Blueflarst suppressed by a moderator.

Blueflarst wrote:do not cry liberal

Pfft,I would like to see you trie.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:Pfft,I would like to see you trie.

Speech 100

I suppose you mean try though? Heh

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Lalop

Lalop wrote:Pfft,I would like to see you trie.

try*

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Lalop

Viridus wrote:try*

Thanks, fellow grammar cop!

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Lalop

Gagium wrote:Thanks, fellow grammar cop!

Grammar Nazi*

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Lalop

What does DDos mean?

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Reunited Soviets wrote:What does DDos mean?

Denial of service attack.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Commend the The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force has over 1000 views on the SC!

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Lalop wrote:oof,trying not to get commie killed on forums is hard.

Speak for yourself...

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Lalop

Post self-deleted by Westonkand.

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Westonkand wrote:I regret joining the cdp. Crimson is a subhuman

Tssk, might want to change that post before someone reports you or something.. :eyes:

Creeperopolis, Viridus

Creeperopolis wrote:Authoritarian: a few individuals control the majority of state aspects but still allows some to few civil rights/liberties

(examples: today's Russia, today's China, etc.) (i fall here for my ns country)

Totalitarian: one or a few individuals control every aspect of the state with few to no civil rights/liberties

(examples: USSR, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Falangist Spain, etc.)

I can relate, one of other entities here on NS is best described as a “authoritarian corporate republic”. The federal government has a series of draconian laws and harsh punishments, however, the economy and the social aspects of the citizenry are left alone.

Essentially, It was built off the idea that no economic model shows that political freedom is needed for economic prosperity, only economic freedom is.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

My fellow citizens,

As you may know, I will be running for re-election for the office of Senate Speaker. As the current Senate Speaker, I have united the Senate under a common goal: to serve and protect the region to the best of our abilities. Most notably, I have: brought back Executive Orders for the President (which were on full display during the failed coup attempt), inducted the first president of the FCN, Qui-Gon into the Hall of Fame, closed our embassy with the LCRUA (now back under discussion with Marvin being elected the president over there), kept communism banned from the FCN while allowing the President to pardon specific nations as well as updated the language of the Constitution on several more occasions.

Now, over the past few days I have been debating Lalop (not my actual opponent himself, he said he would rather be the topic of discussion than actually being in the discussion himself). I encourage everyone to check out the debate themselves, but to sum it up for you: Lalop's argument was not only weak, but it provided little to no evidence on why you should vote for my opponent, his attempts to refute my points were rarely relevant or strong. On the other side, my points and responses were well-thought and demonstrated my experience in this region and the respect other nations have for me.

So, I would like to ask for you to make an important decision: Vote for the candidate with the experience, vote for the candidate with the respect of not only the Senate, but of the region itself, vote for the candidate who'll actually be active long enough to preform their job, vote for Viridus tomorrow, 10/15/18!

Creeperopolis, Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Gagium, Freezic Vast, Coastal English Districts, Doge Republics

Washingtonian Republic wrote:Challenge: Describe the difference between Authoritarian and Totalitarian in the best context you possibly can. Other members are open to this as well.

Authoritarianism is regulation of a society coming from an emphasis on order over civil liberties or plurality. Authoritarianism is technically compatible with states that guarantee some degree of civil liberties and political freedom, but certain undemocratic restrictions are established that demand the respect of the people and deny that these liberties are intended to be absolute. On the other hand, an authoritarian dictatorship would keep the people in line to within a certain degree but allow them to do as they would as long as they don't cross certain lines.

Totalitarianism is the total and complete control of a society from the teeming masses to the single individual. No civil, political, or economic liberties are allowed to exist outside of the sphere that they are seen as useful somehow and even then capable of being tightly regulated as needed. Public shows of adulation of the supreme authority figure are common to foster a cult of personality and condition the people to the understanding that they are are never free to be independent individuals or conceptualize ideas incompatible with the party line, even in their own minds.

Authoritarianism = Obey the rules and you can do what you want

Totalitarianism = Doing what you want is breaking the rules

Creeperopolis, Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Jus

Juterium wrote:Authoritarianism is regulation of a society coming from an emphasis on order over civil liberties or plurality. Authoritarianism is technically compatible with states that guarantee some degree of civil liberties and political freedom, but certain undemocratic restrictions are established that demand the respect of the people and deny that these liberties are intended to be absolute. On the other hand, an authoritarian dictatorship would keep the people in line to within a certain degree but allow them to do as they would as long as they don't cross certain lines.

Totalitarianism is the total and complete control of a society from the teeming masses to the single individual. No civil, political, or economic liberties are allowed to exist outside of the sphere that they are seen as useful somehow and even then capable of being tightly regulated as needed. Public shows of adulation of the supreme authority figure are common to foster a cult of personality and condition the people to the understanding that they are are never free to be independent individuals or conceptualize ideas incompatible with the party line, even in their own minds.

Authoritarianism = Obey the rules and you can do what you want

Totalitarianism = Doing what you want is breaking the rules

So that’s the difference between Totalitarian dictatorship and Authoritarian Dictatorship

Gagium, Jus

Reunited Soviets wrote:So that’s the difference between Totalitarian dictatorship and Authoritarian Dictatorship

I guess communists wouldn't know anything other than totalitarianism, so there ya go

Creeperopolis, Jus

Viridus wrote:My fellow citizens,

As you may know, I will be running for re-election for the office of Senate Speaker. As the current Senate Speaker, I have united the Senate under a common goal: to serve and protect the region to the best of our abilities. Most notably, I have: brought back Executive Orders for the President (which were on full display during the failed coup attempt), inducted the first president of the FCN, Qui-Gon into the Hall of Fame, closed our embassy with the LCRUA (now back under discussion with Marvin being elected the president over there), kept communism banned from the FCN while allowing the President to pardon specific nations as well as updated the language of the Constitution on several more occasions.

Now, over the past few days I have been debating Lalop (not my actual opponent himself, he said he would rather be the topic of discussion than actually being in the discussion himself). I encourage everyone to check out the debate themselves, but to sum it up for you: Lalop's argument was not only weak, but it provided little to no evidence on why you should vote for my opponent, his attempts to refute my points were rarely relevant or strong. On the other side, my points and responses were well-thought and demonstrated my experience in this region and the respect other nations have for me.

So, I would like to ask for you to make an important decision: Vote for the candidate with the experience, vote for the candidate with the respect of not only the Senate, but of the region itself, vote for the candidate who'll actually be active long enough to preform their job, vote for Viridus tomorrow, 10/15/18!

K

Commit reelection boi

Viridus, Gagium

May 7th 1910

Berlin, Germany

To aid Eldradorian forces in the war against the Ottoman Empire, 1000 troops have been dispatched to Eldrado

Viridus, Gagium

May 7, 1910

Cartago, Central American Empire (formerly Costa Rica)

A large earthquake struck the Costa Rican area of the Central American Empire, leveling the town of Cartago and killing more than 1,500 people.

May 7, 1910

Istanbul, Ottoman Empire

Fighting continues to rage in Istanbul. Celtic troops have captured the harbor defenses, and cut off the citadel from outside contact. The fortress is now under heavy bombardment, but continues to return fire. 80% of Istanbul is under Celtic control, as well as about half of the suburbs.

Ottoman troops are rushing to the vicinity, in response to desperate calls for assistance. Forts in the Gallipoli region have been reinforced and resupplied in case the Celtic Navy attempts to venture through the Dardanelles

25,000 troops have arrived at İzmit, 60 miles east of Istanbul. More troops are on their way to the enemy landings at Istanbul, Sinop, Mecca, and Kuwait.

[spoiler=Ottoman troop deployments]Europe:

75k in Albania (30k headed to Istanbul)

60k in northwestern Greece (25k headed to Istanbul)

160k in Vilayet of Edirne (110k headed to Istanbul)

70k in Thrace (50k headed to Istanbul)

Asia Minor:

19k in Istanbul

25k at İzmit, headed to Istanbul

15k outside Istanbul suburbs

30k near Sinop (responding to Eldradonian invasion)

30k near Armenia (20k marching to Sinop)

10k in northern Turkey

15k in western Turkey

15k in southern Turkey (10k mobilizing to ship to Istanbul)

10k in central Turkey (mobilizing to march to Sinop)

10k in Crete and Aegean islands

Mesopotamia/Arabia/Libya:

75k in Syria (30k preparing to travel by rail to Medina; 15k to Istanbul)

30k near Baghdad, Mesopotamia (10k preparing to march to Basra)

40k in Basra Vilayet, facing Gran Argrerian invasion

30k in Medina, Arabia, facing Gran Argrerian invasion

18k in Qatar and eastern Arabian coast

12k along southwestern Arabian coast (5k shipping to Medina)

55k in Libya

An additional 100k local militias are activating to defend their communities in threatened regions[/spoiler]

New casualties in the Battle for Istanbul:

Celts - 1600 KIA, 4800 wounded, 200 POW/MIA

Ottomans - 1200 KIA, 4000 wounded, 1800 POW/MIA

Civilians - 800 killed, 1600 wounded

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

My Fellow citizens of the FCN,

Tomorrow we have a choice for our countries future. As we do every 3 months. The choice that I am talking about is between Bamgo and Viridus for senate speaker. Here is why on October 15 you need to go out and vote Bamgo with evidence of course.

1. Bamgo is a libertarian. This means that unlike Viridus he supports civil liberties.

Proof:

Bamgo wrote:Some of you may know this I am Running for Senate Speaker I have the endorsement of the Tea Party and Won the Primary of The Conservative Party I recently joined and I have only been here for a little over a week now but I have noticed the need for more of a libertarian voice and as Senate Speaker I can do exactly that.

2. Viridus despite what he says is not competent. Proof of this is his weak stance against crimsonfelid and CK when there voting bloc tried to control the senate.

3.Viridus's whole argument is based off 1 thing and 1 thing only. His pervious job as senate speaker. Why you ask? It is simple, he refuses to debate the real issues of the region because he has no answers and instead hides behind and establishment facade.

Proof: So, I would like to ask for you to make an important decision: Vote for the candidate with the experience." Quoted from a vidurius. campaign message.

4. Viridus repeatedly attacks liberty and political freedoms, such as when he banned communism.

Proof:Citizens, my bill banning communism has once again passed" Quoted from A Viridus message,

5. Bamgo has one of the best platforms that I have seen in a while. He supports liberty, is an anti communist s well as an anti facist and sports civil liberties. He has one the CP party primary and has won the endorsement of the TPG. He is a new and better choice for senate speaker.

VOTE Bamgo FOR LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND CHANGE ON OCTOBER 15!

Gagium, Jus

New Waldensia wrote:May 7, 1910

Cartago, Central American Empire (formerly Costa Rica)

A large earthquake struck the Costa Rican area of the Central American Empire, leveling the town of Cartago and killing more than 1,500 people.

May 7, 1910

Istanbul, Ottoman Empire

Fighting continues to rage in Istanbul. Celtic troops have captured the harbor defenses, and cut off the citadel from outside contact. The fortress is now under heavy bombardment, but continues to return fire. 80% of Istanbul is under Celtic control, as well as about half of the suburbs.

Ottoman troops are rushing to the vicinity, in response to desperate calls for assistance. Forts in the Gallipoli region have been reinforced and resupplied in case the Celtic Navy attempts to venture through the Dardanelles

25,000 troops have arrived at İzmit, 60 miles east of Istanbul. More troops are on their way to the enemy landings at Istanbul, Sinop, Mecca, and Kuwait.

[spoiler=Ottoman troop deployments]Europe:

75k in Albania (30k headed to Istanbul)

60k in northeastern Greece (25k headed to Istanbul)

160k in Vilayet of Edirne (110k headed to Istanbul)

70k in Thrace (50k headed to Istanbul)

Asia Minor:

19k in Istanbul

25k at İzmit, headed to Istanbul

15k outside Istanbul suburbs

30k near Sinop (responding to Eldradonian invasion)

30k near Armenia (20k marching to Sinop)

10k in northern Turkey

15k in western Turkey

15k in southern Turkey (10k mobilizing to ship to Istanbul)

10k in central Turkey (mobilizing to march to Sinop)

10k in Crete and Aegean islands

Mesopotamia/Arabia/Libya:

75k in Syria (30k preparing to travel by rail to Medina; 15k to Istanbul)

30k near Baghdad, Mesopotamia (10k preparing to march to Basra)

40k in Basra Vilayet, facing Gran Argrerian invasion

30k in Medina, Arabia, facing Gran Argrerian invasion

18k in Qatar and eastern Arabian coast

12k along southwestern Arabian coast (5k shipping to Medina)

55k in Libya

An additional 100k local militias are activating to defend their communities in threatened regions[/spoiler]

New casualties in the Battle for Istanbul:

Celts - 1600 KIA, 4800 wounded, 200 POW/MIA

Ottomans - 1200 KIA, 4000 wounded, 1800 POW/MIA

Civilians - 800 killed, 1600 wounded

Im taking a rp hiatus for campaigning for today and tomorrow.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:[spoiler=lolk xddddddddddd]My Fellow citizens of the FCN,

Tomorrow we have a choice for our countries future. As we do every 3 months. The choice that I am talking about is between Bamgo and Viridus for senate speaker. Here is why on October 15 you need to go out and vote Bamgo with evidence of course.

1. Bamgo is a libertarian. This means that unlike Viridus he supports civil liberties.

Proof:

2. Viridus despite what he says is not competent. Proof of this is his weak stance against crimsonfelid and CK when there voting bloc tried to control the senate.

3.Viridus's whole argument is based off 1 thing and 1 thing only. His pervious job as senate speaker. Why you ask? It is simple, he refuses to debate the real issues of the region because he has no answers and instead hides behind and establishment facade.

Proof: So, I would like to ask for you to make an important decision: Vote for the candidate with the experience." Quoted from a vidurius. campaign message.

4. Viridus repeatedly attacks liberty and political freedoms, such as when he banned communism.

Proof:Citizens, my bill banning communism has once again passed" Quoted from A Viridus message,

5. Bamgo has one of the best platforms that I have seen in a while. He supports liberty, is an anti communist s well as an anti facist and sports civil liberties. He has one the CP party primary and has won the endorsement of the TPG. He is a new and better choice for senate speaker.

VOTE Bamgo FOR LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND CHANGE ON OCTOBER 15![/spoiler]

y isnt Bamgo campaigning tho. y does Lalop have to do it?

:thonk:

Viridus, Gagium, Lalop, Jus

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=confederate_farmers/detail=factbook/id=1067521

Gagium

Lalop wrote:My Fellow citizens of the FCN,

Tomorrow we have a choice for our countries future. As we do every 3 months. The choice that I am talking about is between Bamgo and Viridus for senate speaker. Here is why on October 15 you need to go out and vote Bamgo with evidence of course.

1. Bamgo is a libertarian. This means that unlike Viridus he supports civil liberties.

Proof:

2. Viridus despite what he says is not competent. Proof of this is his weak stance against crimsonfelid and CK when there voting bloc tried to control the senate.

3.Viridus's whole argument is based off 1 thing and 1 thing only. His pervious job as senate speaker. Why you ask? It is simple, he refuses to debate the real issues of the region because he has no answers and instead hides behind and establishment facade.

Proof: So, I would like to ask for you to make an important decision: Vote for the candidate with the experience." Quoted from a vidurius. campaign message.

4. Viridus repeatedly attacks liberty and political freedoms, such as when he banned communism.

Proof:Citizens, my bill banning communism has once again passed" Quoted from A Viridus message,

5. Bamgo has one of the best platforms that I have seen in a while. He supports liberty, is an anti communist s well as an anti facist and sports civil liberties. He has one the CP party primary and has won the endorsement of the TPG. He is a new and better choice for senate speaker.

VOTE Bamgo FOR LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND CHANGE ON OCTOBER 15!

1. Just because someone isn't libertarian doesn't mean that they don't support civil liberties

2. Saying that I had a weak stance against them is really funny, seeming how I was one of the strongest voices against them along with Gagium and New Waldensia. You know why CK and Crimsonfield aren't in charge of the FCN right now? Because I stood against them along with the CP. You know why Crimsonfield got impeached? Because I voted with the CP. But then again, you weren't there so you wouldn't know. Here's a tip: since you weren't there when it happened, don't talk about it like you were

3. If you even cared to follow the debate, you'd know that my argument isn't (you've even listed multiple things that I've based my argument off of in this post). You know why it's important to include that I've been Senate Speaker before though? Because it shows that I know what I'm actually doing. It's pretty funny that you're using the fact that I've been the Senate Speaker before as a bad thing, I'm arguably the best Senate Speaker we've had before

4. "Repeatedly" -Goes on to list one example- Alrighty then

5. If you've got a problem with arguments based off of only 1 thing, I've got some news for you, Bamgo's whole campaign so far has been that he's a libertarian

New Waldensia, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Jus

Creeperopolis wrote:y isnt Bamgo campaigning tho. y does Lalop have to do it?

:thonk:

he gave me permission to I guess I'm his campain manager.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:he gave me permission to I guess I'm his campain manager.

It's gonna really hurt him if he won't even debate for himself

New Waldensia, Gagium, Jus

Viridus wrote:1. Just because someone isn't libertarian doesn't mean that they don't support civil liberties

2. Saying that I had a weak stance against them is really funny, seeming how I was one of the strongest voices against them along with Gagium and New Waldensia. You know why CK and Crimsonfield aren't in charge of the FCN right now? Because I stood against them along with the CP. You know why Crimsonfield got impeached? Because I voted with the CP. But then again, you weren't there so you wouldn't know. Here's a tip: since you weren't there when it happened, don't talk about it like you were

3. If you even cared to follow the debate, you'd know that my argument isn't (you've even listed multiple things that I've based my argument off of in this post). You know why it's important to include that I've been Senate Speaker before though? Because it shows that I know what I'm actually doing. It's pretty funny that you're using the fact that I've been the Senate Speaker before as a bad thing, I'm arguably the best Senate Speaker we've had before

4. "Repeatedly" -Goes on to list one example- Alrighty then

5. If you've got a problem with arguments based off of only 1 thing, I've got some news for you, Bamgo's whole campaign so far has been that he's a libertarian

1. True but in your case you don't support them.

2. If you really had a strong stance against them you would have put a spy in their discord once they started to say crazy things. Then we would have known much sooner that they were traitors.

3. You affirm what Im saying -by listing none of your message other then 'Ive been senate speaker before' Your running a single issue campaign, but thanks for clarifying this to the region.

4. Its proof, quoted straight from you. Is it a problem that I exposed you for attacking liberty?

5. Bamgos campaign has been about 3 main issues-He is a libertarian- we need change in the region- and you are anti liberty and don't support freedoms.

Gagium

Viridus wrote:It's gonna really hurt him if he won't even debate for himself

Or it will help him by staying above the fray, like a government officer should.

Gagium

Confederate Farmers wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=confederate_farmers/detail=factbook/id=1067521

Nice!

Confederate Farmers, Gagium

Lalop wrote:1. True but in your case you don't support them.

2. If you really had a strong stance against them you would have put a spy in their discord once they started to say crazy things. Then we would have known much sooner that they were traitors.

3. You affirm what Im saying -by listing none of your message other then 'Ive been senate speaker before' Your running a single issue campaign, but thanks for clarifying this to the region.

4. Its proof, quoted straight from you. Is it a problem that I exposed you for attacking liberty?

5. Bamgos campaign has been about 3 main issues-He is a libertarian- we need change in the region- and you are anti liberty and don't support freedoms.

1. Uh... you've been saying that I don't support them because I'm in favor of keeping communism out of here. Well, as you've said in your message, Bamgo's anti-communist too

2. They didn't have a server until after they were traitors, good try though. If only you'd had sent a spy into their non-existent server before it happened

3. You've affirmed what I'm saying, by not paying attention to the content of my messages as well as your own. Thanks for dodging the whole purpose of my point though, really makes your argument weak

4. It's proof... of one thing, don't use the word "repeatedly" for one thing. And your problem here is that it's "attacking liberty", well Bamgo supported me on this one

5. And my campaign has included: I have the necessary experience for this job, Bamgo isn't active enough, the least thing we would need after the failed coup and SC liberation proposal would be change, I'm not anti-liberty, I just believe in liberty up to a certain point and that certain rules are made to protect citizens and the number one job of the government is to protect it's citizens

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Freezic Vast, Coastal English Districts, Jus

-Quickly gets the popcorn-

Creeperopolis, Confederate Farmers, New Waldensia, Viridus, Freezic Vast, Coastal English Districts, Lalop

Viridus wrote:1. Uh... you've been saying that I don't support them because I'm in favor of keeping communism out of here. Well, as you've said in your message, Bamgo's anti-communist too

2. They didn't have a server until after they were traitors, good try though. If only you'd had sent a spy into their non-existent server before it happened

3. You've affirmed what I'm saying, by not paying attention to the content of my messages as well as your own. Thanks for dodging the whole purpose of my point though, really makes your argument weak

4. It's proof... of one thing, don't use the word "repeatedly" for one thing. And your problem here is that it's "attacking liberty", well Bamgo supported me on this one

5. And my campaign has included: I have the necessary experience for this job, Bamgo isn't active enough, the least thing we would need after the failed coup and SC liberation proposal would be change, I'm not anti-liberty, I just believe in liberty up to a certain point and that certain rules are made to protect citizens and the number one job of the government is to protect it's citizens

1.Many other things you say including this post also contribute to that.

2. Then what server did Trenado leak to you guys about the coup?

3. I have exactly answered all your questions, but now I will give you one- Is there anything else to your campaign other then having experience to the job?

4. Bamgo supported you on that one but there is many issues he would not support you on.

5.Liberty up to a certain point is a fancy way of saying liberty should be curtailed and the region does need change in order tomato sure that the Coup and the security council lib don;t happen, EG someone not tainted by the joke posts in the summer.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:1.Many other things you say including this post also contribute to that.

2. Then what server did Trenado leak to you guys about the coup?

3. I have exactly answered all your questions, but now I will give you one- Is there anything else to your campaign other then having experience to the job?

4. Bamgo supported you on that one but there is many issues he would not support you on.

5.Liberty up to a certain point is a fancy way of saying liberty should be curtailed and the region does need change in order tomato sure that the Coup and the security council lib don;t happen, EG someone not tainted by the joke posts in the summer.

i can answer #2: it's called dming

Viridus, Gagium, Lalop

A tip was leaked by Trenado to the FCN's government in the form of screenshots. Directly from the CDP Discord server, it revealed that Crimsonfield and Colorado-kansas were directly involved in the DDoS attack on Gagium.

This is straight from the coup attempt factbook. Notice the words CDP discord server.

Gagium

Gagium wrote:-Quickly gets the popcorn-

-steals gagium's popcorn nom nom.-

Gagium

Lalop wrote:-steals gagium's popcorn nom nom.-

-beats the hell out of you-

Nobody touches my popcorn.

Creeperopolis, Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Coastal English Districts, Lalop, Jus

Lalop wrote:-steals gagium's popcorn nom nom.-

gag mad

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Gagium wrote:-beats the hell out of you-

Nobody touches my popcorn.

-Takes out knife-

Give me popcorn or die

Gagium

Lalop wrote:-Takes out knife-

Give me popcorn or die

-Pulls out AR15-

No.

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Freezic Vast, Lalop, Jus

Lalop wrote:1.Many other things you say including this post also contribute to that.

2. Then what server did Trenado leak to you guys about the coup?

3. I have exactly answered all your questions, but now I will give you one- Is there anything else to your campaign other then having experience to the job?

4. Bamgo supported you on that one but there is many issues he would not support you on.

5.Liberty up to a certain point is a fancy way of saying liberty should be curtailed and the region does need change in order tomato sure that the Coup and the security council lib don;t happen, EG someone not tainted by the joke posts in the summer.

1. Once again, not actually listing them, just saying that they exist...

2. That was after it was happening

3. Sure, take a look at my 5th point please

4. Sure, doesn't really disproves my point since you've yet to list those other issues, though I do agree with you on this, it would be alarming if we agreed on every exact thing even though we all follow a similar ideology in this region

5. To make sure that a coup and another SC liberation won't happen in the future, it'd be helpful to have the nations who've successfully defended the region during the coup and successfully debated against the liberation on the forums

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Freezic Vast, Jus

Lalop wrote:A tip was leaked by Trenado to the FCN's government in the form of screenshots. Directly from the CDP Discord server, it revealed that Crimsonfield and Colorado-kansas were directly involved in the DDoS attack on Gagium.

This is straight from the coup attempt factbook. Notice the words CDP discord server.

Trenado leaked the data FROM the CDP discord server, TO the FCN government in DMs.

Why ask questions when you can answer them yourself with a minute of research?

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Freezic Vast, Lalop, Jus

Gagium wrote:-Pulls out AR15-

No.

Takes hydrogen bomb, throws it. Gaigium Lalop and popcorn are now dead.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Jus

Doge Republics wrote:Trenado leaked the data FROM the CDP discord server, TO the FCN government in DMs.

Why ask questions when you can answer them yourself with a minute of research?

This proves it. Virirus their was a CDP discord server which you could have infiltrated and we wont have the coup.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:This proves it. Virirus their was a CDP discord server which you could have infiltrated and we wont have the coup.

How does one infiltrate a server with no links to it posted? How does one stop a coup by joining a server? If you understand the nature of the coup, then you'd realize that it would've had no affect

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium, Jus

Viridus wrote:1. Once again, not actually listing them, just saying that they exist...

2. That was after it was happening

3. Sure, take a look at my 5th point please

4. Sure, doesn't really disproves my point since you've yet to list those other issues, though I do agree with you on this, it would be alarming if we agreed on every exact thing even though we all follow a similar ideology in this region

5. To make sure that a coup and another SC liberation won't happen in the future, it'd be helpful to have the nations who've successfully defended the region during the coup and successfully debated against the liberation on the forums

1. They do exist Im just 2 lazy to find them right now xd.

2.No, doge republic proved it, they had a discord server before the coup.

3.sure

4.Bamgo is a liberatrien so he would most likely disagree with you on big gov type issues.

5. Like I said, experience. Also, the coup could have been averted if you infiltrated the server and I also debated the SC proposal on the forums, and it wasn't that hard after the mods banned everyone for WA doubling.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:This proves it. Virirus their was a CDP discord server which you could have infiltrated and we wont have the coup.

As much as I believe we would’ve loved to infiltrate one of our region’s political parties (Which, as much as I hate to say it, is against basic civil liberties), we didn’t, as not all of us believe in large government and spying on each other.

New Waldensia, Jus

Viridus wrote:How does one infiltrate a server with no links to it posted? How does one stop a coup by joining a server? If you understand the nature of the coup, then you'd realize that it would've had no affect

Make a new nation, keep it active and in the region for a while and then ask to join the CDP and therefore the discord. Easy. The coup would be stopped because their planning would be leaked far sooner.

Gagium

Gagium wrote:As much as I believe we would’ve loved to infiltrate one of our region’s political parties (Which, as much as I hate to say it, is against basic civil liberties), we didn’t, as not all of us believe in large government and spying on each other.

not immediately of course but after crimsonfelild started saying crazy things and getting impeached, I would have drawn the line. I hate large government and spying but it was pretty obeys at that point that crimsonfelid was a sketchy figure.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:Nice!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=lodge_dispatch

Once I finish my presidents list it will contain presidential candidates and presidents that I liked throughout history including currents.

I prefer a confederacy that protects people’s liberties

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=confederate_farmers/detail=factbook/id=1070156

Gagium, Lalop

Lalop wrote:1. They do exist Im just 2 lazy to find them right now xd.

2.No, doge republic proved it, they had a discord server before the coup.

3.sure

4.Bamgo is a liberatrien so he would most likely disagree with you on big gov type issues.

5. Like I said, experience. Also, the coup could have been averted if you infiltrated the server and I also debated the SC proposal on the forums, and it wasn't that hard after the mods banned everyone for WA doubling.

1. Hmm...

2. It isn't rare for parties to have a server, their server was made literally a few days before the actual event of the coup happening. Coups get planned before they actually happened, thus I said they had it when it was happening

3. k

4. Sure

5. Keyword here: "could have" In reality, nothing would've stopped it, if you understood the nature of the coup then you would realize that. And, you clearly don't pay attention to the content of this debate

Gagium

Also Vidirus here is a counter to your 'lead the region well argument'

Under your term of office,

you let a coup nearly happen.

You let a liberation of our region nearly happen.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:Make a new nation, keep it active and in the region for a while and then ask to join the CDP and therefore the discord. Easy. The coup would be stopped because their planning would be leaked far sooner.

You realize what we call a coup was just Gagium putting Martial Law in place and banning Crimsonfield and his friends right?

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Jus

Lalop wrote:Also Vidirus here is a counter to your 'lead the region well argument'

Under your term of office,

you let a coup nearly happen.

You let a liberation of our region nearly happen.

Under my term of office, I stopped a coup and I successfully defended our region against the SC liberation

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Jus

Viridus wrote:You realize what we call a coup was just Gagium putting Martial Law in place and banning Crimsonfield and his friends right?

If gaigium's internet fully died because of the DDOS, they would have seized the delgacy.

It was a threat.

That you ignored.

Gagium

Viridus wrote:Under my term of office, I stopped a coup and a successfully defended our region against the SC liberation

True but you also let them happen in the first place....

Gagium

Also,can we move this to discord. Its clogging the rmb...

Gagium

Lalop wrote:If gaigium's internet fully died because of the DDOS, they would have seized the delgacy.

It was a threat.

That you ignored.

lol, You think I ignored it? I literally leaked Crimsonfield's DMs with me to the cabinet so that we were prepared for anything. Good luck to them seizing the Delegacy, not only was that not even what they were going after, they did not have nearly enough endorsements

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium, Jus

oof bye dinner

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Lalop wrote:oof bye dinner

Yep, I'm heading off too

Creeperopolis, Gagium

I want to say that I have been busy this weekend with real life stuff and that I'm trying to keep up with everything that's going on I respect the things that Virdus has done so far minus a few small things I'm starting to feel like I'm not really even in charge of my own campaign I believe that after this election regardless we need to all stand together as a region and move forward

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Jus

Lalop wrote:If gaigium's internet fully died because of the DDOS, they would have seized the delgacy.

It was a threat.

That you ignored.

WA Delegate has 0 power. No threat. Best you stop making Viridus look bad by making things look threatening.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Jus

Bamgo wrote:I want to say that I have been busy this weekend with real life stuff and that I'm trying to keep up with everything that's going on I respect the things that Virdus has done so far minus a few small things I'm starting to feel like I'm not really even in charge of my own campaign I believe that after this election regardless we need to all stand together as a region and move forward

This has been a concern of mine as I was watching this little argument with Lalop and Viridus go down. With all due respect to Lalop's commitment, I do not believe that he is representing you in the best way possible. He seems to focused on ideological ties, rather than the position in question. Also saying that Viridus should have stopped the coup attempt before it started is extremely unfair and this is coming from someone who only knows details through factbooks; I wasn't there to witness the ordeal. Coup attempts are often secretive and unless Viridus has the ability to foresee the future, I don't see how any of it was his fault. Furthermore, it's irrelevant because it was stopped and Viridus deserves respect for his part in stamping out the rebellion.

I also want to remark that I know almost nothing about Bamgo's platform, besides the fact he is a libertarian. So, I'm withdrawing my support for his campaign unless he can provide a clear platform. Saying you believe in something is one thing, proving you will act on it is another.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

Which wars are going on in the Roleplay, is the Ottoman war still going on?

Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Jus

Reunited Soviets wrote:Which wars are going on in the Roleplay, is the Ottoman war still going on?

I also would like to be filled in on the current events in the roleplay. I don't know when or how I'm going to jump in.

Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado

Jus wrote:I also would like to be filled in on the current events in the roleplay. I don't know when or how I'm going to jump in.

Yeah, if the Ottoman war is still going on, i want to confirm my involvement, but if not, i want to assert my position

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado

Reunited Soviets wrote:Which wars are going on in the Roleplay, is the Ottoman war still going on?

It is.... I will try a post in a few days or so..... but the wars that are going on is the three-way Ottoman-Eldradonian-Celtic War. The Ottomans and Celts used to be allies until the Celts launched a surprise attack on Istanbul. So far, my allies include Gran Argreriana (southern China), Viridus (Italy), and Westonkand (Germany). My latest RP post details a war conference that is being held in my capital, with all nations that are interested in joining my side being welcome to the conference. If anyone is still interested, please telegram me or Dm me. Also, joining the conference does not force you into joining the war.... so you can just "show up" if you want to discuss other matters such as trade and diplomacy....

In addition to the, The Central American Civil War has begun, with Creeperopolis being the Empire Of Central America, fighting against communist revolters. I believe Texoma ( New Waldensia) is lending aid and maybe some other American Countries.

Reunited Soviets, realistically, the only war that is close to you is the Eldradonian-Ottoman-Celtic war.... fighting so far from home in Central America is also an option but you should be prepared with all the supply roots, deployment times, etc...

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Lalop

[in character] Eldrado I, Nicholas II Romanov of Russia wish to send a diplomat to your conference of War against the Ottomans, while i have not sent troops I have already planned on supporting against the Ottomans, for i believe the biggest threat to the Russian Empire is 1) The Bolsheviks, and 2) Aggressive Expansionists, I am looking forward to coming to this conference, just telegram me back the date and ill send a diplomat. -Romanov

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Jus

Eldrado wrote:It is.... I will try a post in a few days or so..... but the wars that are going on is the three-way Ottoman-Eldradonian-Celtic War. The Ottomans and Celts used to be allies until the Celts launched a surprise attack on Istanbul. So far, my allies include Gran Argreriana (southern China), Viridus (Italy), and Bamgo (Germany). My latest RP post details a war conference that is being held in my capital, with all nations that are interested in joining my side being welcome to the conference. If anyone is still interested, please telegram me or Dm me. Also, joining the conference does not force you into joining the war.... so you can just "show up" if you want to discuss other matters such as trade and diplomacy....

In addition to the, The Central American Civil War has begun, with Creeperopolis being the Empire Of Central America, fighting against communist revolters. I believe Texoma ( New Waldensia) is lending aid and maybe some other American Countries.

Reunited Soviets, realistically, the only war that is close to you is the Eldradonian-Ottoman-Celtic war.... fighting so far from home in Central America is also an option but you should be prepared with all the supply roots, deployment times, etc...

Bamgo isn't in the RP, Westonkand is Germany

Gagium, Eldrado, Lalop

Reunited Soviets wrote:[in character] Eldrado I, Nicholas II Romanov of Russia wish to send a diplomat to your conference of War against the Ottomans, while i have not sent troops I have already planned on supporting against the Ottomans, for i believe the biggest threat to the Russian Empire is 1) The Bolsheviks, and 2) Aggressive Expansionists, I am looking forward to coming to this conference, just telegram me back the date and ill send a diplomat. -Romanov

May 7, 1910

King Mihael receives another promising telegram. This telegram was from their Russian neighbours. The esteemed Tsar Nicolas II of Russia has personally sent King Mihael a letter regarding an interest in aiding and supporting the Eldradonians in their continuing conflict. Mihael is overjoyed to hear this news and expectantly awaits a Russian Representative (Reunited Soviets, you can chose to send ambassadors, generals, economists, or even your leader to Eldrado. As we are neighbours, you need not worry about the dangers of travel. In addition to this, I built a trans-national highway throughout Romania and Ukraine, so it will not take ages to arrive at my capital) at the House of Voiavods for the beginning of the conference on May 14, 1910 (This date is chosen because of the travel time, accommodation, etc...).

NOTE:

I will write a post on the conflict and of the conference soon.... I am busy these days but I will find some time.

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Viridus wrote:Bamgo isn't in the RP, Westonkand is Germany

Damn.... I'm actually an idiot....... I will correct that

Viridus, Gagium

Doge Republics wrote:WA Delegate has 0 power. No threat. Best you stop making Viridus look bad by making things look threatening.

WA delegate would have power if gaigium count get on the ns and cte....

Gagium

Lalop wrote:WA delegate would have power if gaigium count get on the ns and cte....

Nope, the only thing that the Delegate has power over is the WA, nothing that they could've done

Gagium

Jus wrote:This has been a concern of mine as I was watching this little argument with Lalop and Viridus go down. With all due respect to Lalop's commitment, I do not believe that he is representing you in the best way possible. He seems to focused on ideological ties, rather than the position in question. Also saying that Viridus should have stopped the coup attempt before it started is extremely unfair and this is coming from someone who only knows details through factbooks; I wasn't there to witness the ordeal. Coup attempts are often secretive and unless Viridus has the ability to foresee the future, I don't see how any of it was his fault. Furthermore, it's irrelevant because it was stopped and Viridus deserves respect for his part in stamping out the rebellion.

Funny how your complaining how I represented Bamgo when you did nothing to help him. but its no big deal, like you said, Im not him but here is what he stands for-based of what he said

Bamgo correct me if you want.

I also want to remark that I know almost nothing about Bamgo's platform, besides the fact he is a libertarian. So, I'm withdrawing my support for his campaign unless he can provide a clear platform. Saying you believe in something is one thing, proving you will act on it is another.

Funny how your complaining how I represented Bamgo when you did nothing to help him. but its no big deal, like you said, Im not him but here is what he stands for-based of what he said

Bamgo correct me if you want.

New voice

Libertarien

Anti communist

Anti facist

Anti authoritarian

Pro demacracy

Hope you support him after seeing what he stands for.

Gagium

Viridus wrote:Nope, the only thing that the Delegate has power over is the WA, nothing that they could've done

But if the DDOs forced Gagium to cte the delegate would become Executive.

Gagium

Lalop wrote:But if the DDOs forced Gagium to cte the delegate would become Executive.

That's not how it works

New Waldensia, Gagium, Jus

Lalop wrote:But if the DDOs forced Gagium to cte the delegate would become Executive.

One of the longest attacks was 12 days. You think the script kiddies could DDoS 28 days straight, and somehow prevent Gagium from... you know... just using cellular?

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Jus

Lalop wrote:Funny how your complaining how I represented Bamgo when you did nothing to help him. but its no big deal, like you said, Im not him but here is what he stands for-based of what he said

Bamgo correct me if you want.

New voice

Libertarien

Anti communist

Anti facist

Anti authoritarian

Pro demacracy

Hope you support him after seeing what he stands for.

That's not a campaign platform. That's a list of beliefs. I want to know what he plans to do in office. What someone believes is irrelevant if they can't apply those beliefs. I want to know what makes him a valid candidate.

Edit: Also why would I want to help his campaign if I'm not sure what his plans are? I gave my public support, but I'm withdrawing until Bamgo, not you, addresses my grievances.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Doge Republics wrote:One of the longest attacks was 12 days. You think the script kiddies could DDoS 28 days straight, and somehow prevent Gagium from... you know... just using cellular?

If they could ddos all of NS, I wont put it past them.

Viridus, Gagium

Notice:Elections are tomorrow!

I wish Viridus and Bamgo best of luck.

All nations who have been here for more then a week can vote!

Its your civic freedom!

Use It!

Viridus, Gagium

I am very interested in learning more about this region and helping it as much as I can by communicating what happens in the senate to the people as well as making sure for every big decision allowing people to voice there opinion in terms of policy yes I'm a libertarian with a Few exceptions such as abortion and extreme Ideologies such as facism and socialism with facism being my biggest issue because facist aren't conservatives and it has been a smear on the right that doesn't deserve to be there

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=jus/detail=factbook/id=1108344

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Bamgo

Jus wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=jus/detail=factbook/id=1108344

Upvoted, absolutely brilliant

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Bamgo

Gagium wrote:Upvoted, absolutely brilliant

It's definitely pin worthy :)

New Waldensia, Gagium, Bamgo

Lalop wrote:If they could ddos all of NS, I wont put it past them.

Same problem remains: It's hard to sustain an attack for 28 days. Also, the script kiddies would likely get arrested, or, something of that manner.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Freezic Vast, Jus

I should point out that it is somewhat hypocritical of Lalop to be almost slandering Viridus for allegedly being a fascist, which I highly doubt (though maybe we should have a monarch, hmm), when Lalop is currently arguing for working with fascists against communism in the forum for his WA proposal.

It seems a tad hypocritical.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts

OOCHow long until i can send a diplomat and how long will it take to arrive at the capital of Eldrado

Gagium, Eldrado

Post self-deleted by Juterium.

Post self-deleted by Reunited Soviets.

dingdingdingdingding

It's time for the Senate Speaker election!

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Coastal English Districts, Eldrado, Lalop, Bamgo

Reunited Soviets wrote:OOCHow long until i can send a diplomat and how long will it take to arrive at the capital of Eldrado

atleast a few microseconds (or 2 liters for non-americans)

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Doge Republics wrote:atleast a few microseconds (or 2 liters for non-americans)

So... I can send him now if i want?

Gagium, Eldrado

Reunited Soviets wrote:So... I can send him now if i want?

yeah probably (trip will take a few seconds atleast)

Gagium, Eldrado

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Bamgo is currently only down by 2.

Come out and vote people!

Gagium

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