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Region: Federation of Conservative Nations
Agreed, there are a lot more far-left leaning regions from what I've seen than right of any degree. Moderates, Conservatives, Monarchists, etc are really being pushed back, we've got to dig in.
Atrides, New Waldensia, Gagium, The Sladerstan
They joined on their own. Look at the audit logs.
Atrides, Gagium, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, The Sladerstan
I suppose you have your evidence that I did this? lmao
The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, The Sladerstan
America looks like the New Byzantine Empire.
Ok ok I explain and I will not take so long.
There is three elements that constitutes the Western Civilization, maybe most of you know but just to remember the basics it is:
1- The Christian religion.
2- The Greek philosophy
3- The Roman Law (even on common law countries like UK or most of the USA states it apply, the rule of the law, the value of contracts, treaty etc.)
Most critics of The West (that is Europe and USA with Latin America in a periphery position or not being considered western at all), just defend that The West is just a continuation, for good or evil, of the Roman Empire.
Europe was something like the rebirth of the Western Roman Empire, with the right of an history of giant glorious empire.
Well, it is the past, the Western Roman Empire of today, Europe, is collapsing.
The Christian religion is neglected, atheism is taking it's place.
The Greek philosophy is substituted by post-modernistic nihilist, existentialist non-sense, pointless philosophic systems are made, and when they are made it's clearly with the intention of pushing a political agenda, this is not forbidden, in fact it is totally ok, the problem is when they are made ONLY for it.
The Roman Law legacy have strong relativism, being utterly destroyed in the name of groups disputing who is more victim to get more State welfare, there is no humans anymore, there is "insert your identity group" and "insert another identity group there", to the point that there is not anything unifying the citizens to put contracts and treaty without an excuse to be ignored in the name of social justice or other systems such as Sharia.
But more than a century ago on the New World a different West appeared.
This West mocked the monarchist way and try to put republican values different than that France would adopt years latter, a conservative republicanism, based on associations, a new way of being West.
It is the equivalent of the "Eastern Roman Empire", the New Byzantium, ironically on the map it stays more to the west than Europe.
They made an empire despite being a republic, and became the New Roman Empire, after WW2, Europe begun to crush from within.
USA begun to be the rightful successor of Western Civilization, but is beginning to crush from inside, in fact USA is the last Western Stronghold.
So please don't fail us, I don't want a world dominated by China or Islam.
Licavoliton, Gagium, The Sladerstan
*Proceeds to leave the region*
*Not because I have anything to do with the LCN*
Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind
America says that we're a free nation, but policy brutality against blacks is 4x the national average, and their prison sentences are usually longer than normal.
America says that we're an equal nation, we promised that in 1868, but then abolished Jim Crow laws in 1964. 96 years later.
Our own way of voting punishes voters who aren't in the majority in the state, by making it a winner-take-all system where the winner can win by 1 vote.
Also it punishes people who live in bigger states, by taking their electoral college votes for smaller votes, which can let a candidate win with only 22% of the popular vote.
Nations shouldn't punish the rich by forcing them to give to the poor, but the US has refused to create a safety net that lets poor people at least stand a chance to escape poverty.
So if we're the last Western Stronghold, I guess the west is going to rest.
Gagium, The Sladerstan
Ah yes, the old "black people are treated bad" argument. You're playing right into the leftist agenda. You don't ever hear about white men being arrested or shot, or hispanics, or asians, why is that? Surely not because it never happens, but because there's nothing to gain from reporting on it. But as soon as it's a black guy, and a white guy, then it's reported. Why? Because the left just have to push a false agenda onto the masses "Boohoo this guy got shot by a white cop", but they don't tell you the guy had a knife and was threatening the officers.
Licavoliton, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power
Ulrech here...literally revived my puppet to say really a leftist agenda???? Black people being killed is the leftist agenda....sounds like someone's been watching too much Alex Jones
Furbish Islands, Gagium, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Sladerstan, 14 Trumps, Kujawy
I don't watch Alex Jones, nor do I want to.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power
I mean promoting Alex Joneseque propaganda on an open forum is grounds for me to accuse you of watching Alex Jones...that being said as an African American myself I find it rather funny that youre A) making the case that black people arent treated bad in a country that literally enslaved my ancestors and B) pretty much equating news media reporting on unarmed black people getting shot in the streets as the promotion of a leftist agenda...frankly if that qualifies as leftist propaganda Im genuinely afraid to hear what you call an unbiased news source
Furbish Islands, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, The Sladerstan, 14 Trumps, Kujawy
Yeah you tell em buddy!
Gagium, Kujawy
Actually, 1776 first, but better late than never.
What system would you prefer?
That's because states form the union. We hold popular elections in each state. The winner of each state is the popular vote winner of that state.
Except we really do have at least something of a safety net, paid for by taking taxes from those who make more money than most.
Licavoliton, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, Logon, Kujawy
Thank you Ulrech, very cool!
Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, The Sladerstan, Kujawy
yes
I'm as much for racial equality as the next guy. But the media uses things like "white cop shoots black man" to push their agenda. I'm not saying it in itself is their agenda, but a tool.
Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power
Hello Im the Leader of Mazel, ive been on Nationstates since 2012.... WOW i was a snot nosed 12 year old not sure about this game and now im in the Army (United States) still just as in love. Im proud to be a part of a great region full of Conservatives, people which love freedom, rights, and believe in the economy [General Statement but I assume this to be true]
New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Logon, Kujawy, Latuking
Based.
Furbish Islands, Gagium, The Sladerstan, Kujawy
Welcome! You should meet our resident Army member, Libervalley.
Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, The Sladerstan
Hey guys. Im not really sure to start, but this has been in my mind for awhile and I feeling certain events in recent days has unfortunately led us to where we are now. First off, I want to say that I still think the FCN is a good place. Theres a lot of good people here, and Ill never forget the community here or everything that weve done together or been through. The #roadto1000, the FCN Olympics, the L&O stuff, LCN stuff, Crimsonfield stuff, FCN Minecraft servers, those music VCs. Ive learned a lot from this region, and hopefully still have more to learn. Ive helped build this region and spent hours upon hours daily participating in the discord and the region, and I hope that it hasnt gone to waste - Ill always remember everything fondly. Weve been through so much together, and my experience here has quite frankly been amazing.
I could go on talking about all the adventures Ive had in the FCN and all the fun Ive had and all the friends Ive made here - I mean, really, two and a half years of seeing a region grow from like 40 people to several hundred was..I dont know how to describe it. Theres a lot of emotions that come to mind when thinking of it and everything weve been through, good and bad. A lot of us, especially people originally from the CCN, have seen this all and participated in the regions history and growth as I have, and a lot of them are still around. And I believe a lot of them still can do good things for the FCN and help the region - I mean, I still hope I can.
Now, I want to stop reminiscing about our past that a lot of you havent been around and talk about the present. Its first off a shame that the LCN drama is still going on, and its a shame that the region decided to ban San Carlos Islands, someone whos been around for literally nearly as long as I have (SCI/CK has been around since basically our founding in 2017, after he joined the region through N-day) for joining the LCN because he liked their community. Since hes joined the LCN, people have called him a racist, toxic, bad person and a traitor. This never really happened before he joined their server, by the way, so I assuming these opinions were new - After all, most people who claimed SCI was a racist toxic person voted for his approval as my Secretary of War.
Anyways, it was absolutely repulsive to see the community essentially turn on someone whos literally been with our region for years and has dedicated himself numerous times to helping the region. To just see someone whos done a lot for the community be disregarded and branded as a traitor for joining another region - And no, SCI didnt have any bad intentions. He was still in the regions discord and wanted to hang around and still be a part of our community. That is, until the same person people overwhelmingly approved as SecWar was banned. Should he have legally been banned? Probably, unfortunately. And yeah, people have pointed out the irony in that I now oppose the very laws and EOs I advocated for back in 2019 against the LCN, but so much has changed since then. The intention was to do us both a favor by separating us which I and others thought would be good, but unfortunately they have only caused more issues and drama. And they were caused by a lot of stuff that I said about the LCN and theyve said about us and so forth. But, anyways, its 2020 now, and here we have someone whos been in the community for basically our entire existence being literally banned for joining another community.
And theres a lot of other people in our region who have been in the LCN discord server and have only been shown kindness really despite what happened in 2019. I myself joined along with Furbish Islands to check the community out and protest the banning of SCI. Did I know it was bannable? Absolutely, but I did it anyways to see what the LCN was really like these days...and, perhaps surprisingly, even though I felt like the LCN would absolutely loathe me like some of us did the LCN for past events Ive been welcomed and everyone is chill. After staying in the LCN discord for whats been over a week now, Ive come to realize that theyre really not the people that a lot of us, myself included, have said they are.
Now, now. Did they do things they shouldnt have? Yeah, absolutely. Did we? Mhm. Is either region solely responsible for the 2019 drama and stuff? I argued that wasnt the case back then, and Ill do it now. However, both regions laws on the other contrast significantly. The LCN has been fine with FCNers coming to chill and hang out in their server and region for awhile now, even despite everything thats happened, while the FCNs policy has caused the banning of several veterans and regionmates - Recently SCI, but back in the day Creeperopolis, later New Gandor, and others. Our policy is to ban people, regardless of how many hours theyve put into this region, for joining another region.
And, quite frankly, thats one of the reasons why Im here right now writing this. The other large one in relation to this is how some people have defended this and want to ban others and myself for just hanging out in the LCN discord. Since Ive joined their server (Which, yeah, I know, banjectable offense) people who I thought I could trust and who I have supported have advocated for our banning, removal, shunning from the region, and weve been portrayed as people the region cant trust and shouldnt trust - specifically me and Furbish Islands, even though I have no doubts that both of us have spent what amounts to hundreds of hours doing stuff for the region. Because I joined a discord server, Ive had COT call me pathetic, Ive had Viridus advocate for my ban, Ive had our delegate say that I should be banned, and a whole plethora of others have just been so negative because Ive been chilling with the LCN.
Now, like, yeah, I get that its bannable, but what irks me is that some of absolutely are against any sort of redemption or whitelisting of me or others, despite how much time weve put into this region and everything weve done, and some of you are still perfectly fine with just purging the region of anyone affiliated with the LCN, which has recently included myself...Its disgusting. You all would rather to throw away everything weve done and stand for and ban us for affiliating with yet another region on this site, mind you under an executive order that was created by someone who soon after writing it left the region in shame of having even put forth such a thing (Sorry, New Gandor, I totally get you though).
I could now write about how I feel here - I mean, for one, a bit betrayed - but I think I got the point across. I hope, anyways. Now, I dont want you all to get the wrong idea, and we all know where this is going. From my time in the LCN server, Ive seen that theyve built an actually really nice community with a nice roleplay and nice people who were again surprisingly welcoming and willing to forgive and forget over previously drama. And now, in contrast, yeah, Ill always love the FCN as my home region, and its still a good place, absolutely, but Ive seen the region especially recently become riddled by government inactivity, absolute toxicity and hatred towards members for some of their actions and beliefs, and the region just isnt what it used to be. And I think its time for something new. We cant all stay here or anywhere forever, and while Im still on this site I want to see what other places have to offer, and the LCN has shown to be an amazing community like our regions (except totally different), even if, unfortunately or fortunately, theyre the only region we ban (by name) people from being in.
So I think Ive decided, after a lot of thought, like, a lot of thought, that its time that I went my way with this nation and explored what other regions have to offer. This was bound to happen, but when half the government here is calling for my ban, I knew it was time to go...Ive failed as a founder, if Im going to be honest, when people Ive trusted and in high government positions are calling for my ban and removal, when people would rather I be banned then added to the LCN whitelist we have (with nobody on it if I may add). Ive failed, and thats something Im sorry for. To all of you.
But its time to move on. Kind of...not really. Look, I love you guys, and I love this region. Even though I may be moving this nation, I want to still be friends with you all and stay in the region with a puppet and still take part in the community, because I love the FCN (and, lets be honest, have spent too many hours here to just leave), even if half the government would love to see me banned. Unfortunately for you, I dont plan on getting entirely out until/if you do ban me, because I love this place.
And I dont want you all to feel betrayed. It really shouldnt be - you really shouldnt feel betrayed because I joined another community with my nation after scrapegoating me, advocating for my banjection and complete removal, lying about my actions and intentions and basically who I am and what I stand for..but I understand if you do. And Im sorry for failing.
So, hopefully this isnt it. Ill move a puppet in ASAP, and I hope to be a part of this community as long as you allow me to..Im going to get off soon, and I hope you all can come to terms with this and respect my decision and reasoning. And with that said, goodbye, on this account anyways.
Huvakia, Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Aeternitatia, Eldrado, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Great Carolina And Florida, Gladesville, North Azarath, Latuking
Cops don't always play for the whites
There's also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK_I6C12uWM
The Sladerstan
The 14th Amendment was passed in 1868. The 14th amendment reads "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.". Simplified, that means "anyone who was born in the US, regardless of differences, should have equal rights to a good life.".
Single Transferable Vote.
Except that 49% of the state can be left with no representation from the state's electoral college delegates.
Then why do we have lower Social Mobility than Malta, a country with half a million people total, and 14 billion dollars in GDP. VS the US, with over 209 million tax-payers, and 20.54 Trillion dollars in GDP. If Malta's GDP was directly translated into per capita, not factoring anything else other than the raw GDP, would have an average of $28,000, vs the US' average of $68,466, Over 2.44 times higher than Malta's.
True FCN will miss you Gagium. We all will. I understand what the pain is when you're own creation turns against you. It'll be a rough transition, but you should try to help yourself, especially in this day and age.
New Waldensia, Aeternitatia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Logon, The Sladerstan, Kujawy
Heil. Love you bro.
New Waldensia, Dragons Of Power, The Sladerstan, Kujawy
Hell no chief I'm bolting to the LCN ASAP. This isn't how it ends, not like this.
If the FCN has the audacity to ban you, I'm out. I'm coming back here only if you do.
New Waldensia, Aeternitatia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
The big sad has befallen us.
Guess it's time to revive my LCN puppet ;)
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Aeternitatia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
He was not banned. He was given choice after choice to not be in the LCN and let the Senate resolve the issue. We had a resolution that would've reopened relationships with the LCN that failed by a singular vote. But instead, Gagium, along with other Senators, instead chose to spam, flame, and insult, rather than let the wheels of the Senate turn.
If he had handled this like an adult, we would not be in this situation, but instead we are here.
He was not banned, he chose to leave.
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands, Kujawy
Love you bb, apologize and resign for me
Washingtonian Republic, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
U
Washingtonian Republic, Dragons Of Power
Hello FCN long time no see comrades
New Waldensia, Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
The FCN you know won't be seeing anyone for a while.
New Waldensia, Viridus
Why not just eject the nations causing trouble and start over here?
Viridus
where's the salute button
Viridus, Dragons Of Power
Constitution, laws, and they left.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Kujawy
Excuses in a game when a player is being griefed by troublemakers. At least they're gone, then. But so is Gagium.
The Cot Corporation
nice region you guys got here
be a shame if
someone
made a ;)
Very sad that it's all come to this, Gagium. Your contributions to this region have literally been invaluable. I only wish this whole situation had turned out differently, as the status quo is slowly killing the FCN, which was on the rise just a few short months ago.
Huvakia, Liberated American Provinces, Aeternitatia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
By virtue of my authority as Secretary of War, I am temporarily upgrading the RAS from Delta to Gamma.
Viridus, Aeternitatia, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation
Question:
So you think there should be rules for some to follow but not everyone?
So numerous attempts to stop spamming, swearing insulting members, can be overlooked for a golden few?
I'm sorry, everyone needs to be treated the same. Just because someone is in a higher position it does not give them a pass to act how they want and not face punishment like anyone else. Thats what has happened over the last few days,.
Viridus, Eldrado, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation, Kujawy
Post by Furbish Islands suppressed by a moderator.
He chose to leave... in a tantrum. He disobeyed laws he advocated for. He betrayed the region when it needed him most. He wrecked our diplomatic standing.
How?
Dragons Of Power
he did leave, but i don't think he left in a tantrum, nor do i believe he ruined our diplomatic standing.
Viridus, Gagium West Africa, Dragons Of Power
I'm sure he's not aware as he does not have a discord.
That said, those rules are stupid and have been selectively enforced forever. But something something LCN man bad I guess.
I explained in the DMs that you've used in your "speech" to play the victim. But anyway, I'll continue. You broke the rules that you advocated for. Once you'd caused suitable chaos, you had a tantrum over a bill that had failed democratically. Then you left.
You left the region that you developed and led over the years. You were a legitimately good leader. We trusted you. And then, the one time the region was on the brink of imminent death, the time it needed you most, you fled because a bill you wanted to pass failed. You betrayed the FCN. You acted incredibly childishly. There were so many things you could've done instead, but no! It appears that you thought betraying a region that you tried to grow because you didn't like the laws you supported was the only way. You're a disgrace to the region.
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands, Kujawy
Once I'd caused suitable chaos? Had a tantrum? Betrayed the FCN? No, one of the reasons I left is because of people like you who think I've instantly become a genuinely different horrible person and disgrace because I joined another region's discord and should be banned for it. I literally don't see how joining a different region's server could be seen as a betrayal to a community I've been in for roughly 3 years at all..
I trusted you too, at least enough to at least hope that maybe you'd see my point of view just a little bit and maybe not begin branding me as a traitor after I left..I'm sorry for failing you
Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Kujawy
you good man?
Time doesn't influence how much of a traitor someone is. You had a tantrum. You are a disgrace. You haven't "instantly" become a different person. It's the fact that you've been such an incredible hypocrite it's hard to believe you are the same person. You broke laws. It does not matter in the slightest that you've been in the region for 3 years. You're a hypocrite and a disgrace either way.
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
I'd like to think that literally everything I've missed out on IRL that I could've done with my life to do stuff in the region matters just a little bit..I shouldn't expect much else from you though. It's ironic because the other day you were fantasizing about wanting to join the LCN discord if the bill allowing it to pass...whatever. Call me what you want dude.
New Waldensia, Viridus, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
I was referring to server rules.
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
It isn't the fault of the region you decided to miss out on IRL events to dedicate time to it - so don't pull that card out of the victim deck.
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As for "fantasising", I was literally saying how it'd be nice to talk to Traditional, an LCNer that joined at the start of the month. I can talk to him on the NWE server. I was simply stating how it'd be quite nice if I could talk to him on the LCN server. Just because I have a friend in the LCN doesn't automatically mean I support your actions. You're showing yourself to be narrow-minded.
Holy Rhinish Islands
I mean, how? He literally left due to people like you advocating for his ban and remove because he simply talked to another community? And wanted a old friend back, which quite simply, isn't as bad as people say he is?
Gagium LITERALLY wanted this to end on a happy/friendly note, and yet you sit here "claiming" that he betrayed the region when for one, he really didn't, I don't know how moving to another region and supporting the unban of a friend of his makes him a traitor, and for two, literally people like you, Viridus, Logon, etc etc, are not only advocating for the ban of Gagium, but everyone else who has joined the server, because they wanted to see how a community was for their own eyes? Yeah no, some of the laws, like that one, need to change, because the reasoning behind his banning, is stupid.
"He broke the law, and therefore, should be banned/removed" while ignoring EVERYTHING else, you just focus on the one "bad" thing, and even then, it's justified. Sure, Gagium can be immature, like the Senate Debate Chamber incident, sure, I was mad at the time, things were said, and Gag not going to lie, was being a bit of a prick that night. But, we've forgave one another, and moved on, acting like it never happened. I forgave him, I forgave him for the trouble that he caused and IN MY DEFENSE, was very personal due to IRL issues and events that happened that caused me to be defensive and say things, but I still forgave him, knowing that he didn't mean to cause any harm.
Now? You all? Need to learn how to forgive, forget, and move on. This continuous arguing/bickering at one another, is only to make things worse. Gagium felt betrayed, and rightfully so, but, he learned to forgive, and move on. He has nothing against people here, nor the region, and like he said, would want to keep contact, and hang out here as much as he can. But, some of you all need to do the same thing, while some people like Fluv & Waldy have, people such as Logon, Viridus, and you, COT, need to learn to forgive, forget, and move on, to stop this unnecessary drama, and let go of all of this.
I say this as a foreigner who's been around for the FCN over a year now, and quite frankly, enjoyed every minute here, except for the few bad times, but that's all over and in the past. I hate to see this place split over something stupid, and want it to at least end on a friendly note, and WITHOUT any grudges against one another for kinda, childish reasons (in my eyes, it's childish, to hold a grudge against someone). So, for the love of God and everything holy, forgive, forget, and move on.
Huvakia, Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Fluvannia, Eldrado, The Legion Of Mankind, Mtf Epsilon 11, North Azarath, Kujawy
Guys look the LCN is also against "the establishment"
LCN is NPP confirmed
Viridus, The Cot Corporation
Time to branch off to Fascism haha?
Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation
I am well aware; that's what I was referring to as well. And Sladerstan doesn't have a discord, so he wouldn't know lol
Dragons Of Power
Eh, no.
Viridus, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, Kujawy
I could say the same for you. Just the other day we were chatting, as friends, in the FCN server. But that really isn't the whole point of this.
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Regardless of why Gagium left, either way it's because of the consequences for his actions. And yet you appear to believe that oh dadium here is able to commit crimes without consequences, or the rest of the Federation noticing! That's stupid. You can't expect Gagium not to face consequences just because he's previously contributed to the region. People aren't like that. The FCN saw that he was committing a crime and being hypocritical, and then, completely justified, called him out. He deserved it. He could have done so many other things to try and make amends with a region he's previously expressed his extreme distaste for, but no, it had to be leaving.
On the topic of him expressing distaste for the LCN, Gagium was in the biggest rage I've ever seen on NS when the attacks/spying were revealed. For the last couple months, he's shown nothing but hatred for them. So he seriously should've expected people to be against his actions. If he legitimately expected people to support him in it, he's going to need a lesson on how humans function.
And at the end, why on earth should I forgive him? He betrayed me, and he betrayed the Federation. Look at where we are now, because of him. The region is literally dying in a downward spiral, without an end in sight -- except of course, death. This isn't a disney movie where we just sing a little song and everyone is friends again. Sometimes it's more complicated than that. I understand you lot are just feeling oppressed that we won't play along in your little game of princesses and ponies. But unfortunately, super-cute princess eyes don't actually work in real life. Sorry to break it to you.
Viridus, Eldrado, Mtf Epsilon 11
PPC here
I am now a dangerous terrorist on the run from the FCN death squads
:sunglasses:
Liberated American Provinces, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation
Hello, peepeecee!
Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Mtf Epsilon 11
pp haha
there is no god but allah and quebec is his messenger
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, The Cot Corporation
In that case I'm a heretic
:sunglasses:
Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Mtf Epsilon 11
Tfw when the LCN wants FCNers to defect to the LCN but they banned you
Viridus, Mtf Epsilon 11
How could you say the same about me? Seriously, I'm curious. :/
I am aware that your actions have consequences, and I supported those consequences back when they were fair and justified, but this is going too far. Literally trying to ban the guy who's done COUNTLESS things for the region, and everyone in it, just BECAUSE he decided to join another region's discord? Is stupid, and if you all think that's justifiable, then Viridus was correct, this region really is broken, and it's destroying itself. Just because someone found their OWN laws that he supported a little stupid, changed his mind, decided against the laws, and tried to make a point on how it's stupid, fair enough & justifiable to try and remove them? ALL BECAUSE THE CLICKED A FEW BUTTONS?
Back onto Gagium's opinion on the LCN, are people not allowed to change their minds? Are they not allowed to change their opinions? If so, then why are you using his old opinions against him? Is he not allowed to form and make new opinions? Seriously, is he not allowed to change his goddamn mind, because he certainly is allowed to.
And, I know that things don't end like a "happy little princess story". Most of the time, it doesn't, certainly many things haven't in my life, but I'm willing to try and fight for peace and for this not to end on hate, because, I feel like Gagium's forgave you all, and has felt like he has failed not only this region, but you all as well. He didn't have to type that up, he didn't have to say anything before he left, but he did.
Now, the thing that bothers me about you the most, COT. You were banned from here, correct? You were banned here due to you trying to mess with the LCN, as a joke, but still illegal. Yet, Gagium pardoned you, and had you unbanned. He thought your banning was stupid, and had you pardoned, because he was your friend, and wanted you back in the FCN, and didn't like the rulings on that. So, why are you, support his removal/ban when he literally lifted you ban from the same LCN drama? He lifted you ban because he found it stupid, and here you are now, supporting his removal/ban, because he's the reason why you're even here for this. So, if your saying that you feel betrayed, you might be right on that, and I believe you on that, but Gagium's also feels betrayed, and he has a right to be. After all, how would you feel if the same person you pardoned due to the same drama that he got in trouble in as you, is supporting your removal/ban, and calling you a traitor.
Ironic.
👏 Good job COT, I applaud you.
The Legion Of Mankind, Mtf Epsilon 11
we might be moving to a new region 👀
Viridus, Dragons Of Power
Nah they only want the respectable ones :)
Dragons Of Power, Mtf Epsilon 11
Ok
Dragons Of Power, Mtf Epsilon 11
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Dragons Of Power, Aumburg
Gagium fulfill Topekas Legacy
Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, The Cot Corporation, Aumburg
Hello friends. Recently, I know I haven't been as ambitious or as active on the discord or nation-states as I once was. I have fallen into the background of regional functions and dealings. However, if you've ever had any respect for me or my opinions, permit me to divulge a few words.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but all of this regional drama seems very unnecessary and the product of divisive arguments, our system of law, and an unwillingness to see things from a practical and realistic perspective. Do you want to know why Nationstates politics has begun to bore me and why I no longer wish to dedicate more time to the discord or regional activities? It's because of the next big scandal and disagreement between people in this virtual reality world splits and divides everyone around them. We are forced to pick sides. It always has to be an extreme response. It's always, banning, treason, insults, abuses of power, etc... While I know things are more complicated than they actually appear, we must still remember that this is far from a real-life political experience where the being discussed are truly important and potentially life-changing. In reality, we are all players who are in this game for fun. As a group, we've joined together because we enjoyed each other's company, shared some interests, and wanted to enhance the NS experience. But now, nothing is ever satisfactory or good. We are always fighting or arguing about something, things that don't affect you physically and only affect you mentally if you let them. Hell, this was the first region I came to that had some stability. I planned to make this my home for good. While I still would like to hope we can reconcile with one another, I 've seen regional stability solely ebbing away over time. It appears we are beginning to grow tired of each other's companionship and forgot all the awesome things we have accomplished together in this online community. While we are separated by a screen and fiberoptic cables, I'd still like to think we've bonded over the course of time.
I agree our region should have security measures in place in order to avoid invasion by those who wish to dissolve this region such as raiders. The best way to form a strong defense is if we are all united and not apart. However, the unmalicious association of private members of our region with other people or regions in Nationstates should not be an issue that destroys our faith in each other. I believe this should never have been criminalized. Why should our elected, made-up government hold this much authority to tell us who our online friends or enemies can be. Please feel free to correct me (as I mentioned before, I've missed out on a lot of things so my context is from what I've personally been noticing), but can you guys honestly tell me why we hate the LCN so passionately? Can you honestly tell me why discord spying is a great threat except in the instances of "planned military discussion" or "vote tampering"? Each of us face more important things in real-life and I find it absurd for people to spend so much time and energy arguing and worrying over things in this game. We are quick to label people traitors. In recent FCN history (if we will even still be called that), we have declared many enemies of the region. Our legal system should be there to filter the trolls and people who actually have done harm to us, not be used to choose sides in the arguments our members have.
In conclusion, if you like this region, please remember why it was created. I urge you to remember your friends and try to reconcile with those who've drifted away. Games are there to escape the nastiness of reality. Let's reform our region.
Once again if you want to correct me or ask me anything feel free to.
New Waldensia, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power, North Azarath, Kujawy
If you believe all that Gagium did was join the LCN discord, your information is certainly faulty. Not only did he do that (need I remind you that is against the law), but he also spammed the discord, advocated Furby streaming the senate to the LCN, and then left. I think that this is certainly justifiable. If anyone else did it, they'd certainly be banned. And yes, like Viridus says, this region is broken. I've been saying that for the last few days. The region is broken because of him. You also make it out as if joining the LCN discord isn't a punishable offence. Hate to break it to ya kid, it is.
Like you say, people are allowed to change their minds. I have no doubt about that. But if someone changes it so suddenly, on a topic where it involves breaking FCN law, then there's no wonder that people will be against it. Say, for instance, Boris Johnson suddenly decided that he hates the law. Say, for instance, he keeps his position as Prime Minister. Say, he goes out on to the street, after catching COVID-19. Now imagine he starts purposefully coughing on people. Everyone can tell he did it on purpose. You can't expect people to keep following him, can you? If so... need I say more.
Seriously, you expect me to forgive him and the LCN just because Gagium felt bad? Just because you want this to end in peace? I am laughing. If you think I'm going to forgive him for those reasons alone, think again. He was being an utter hypocrite, and to this day hasn't apologised for his actions. He hasn't owned up to his actions. You keep defending him for breaking laws you both advocated. You, especially in your precious little accident with him (remember that one where it came to death threats? Yeah) have continually supported anti-spam rules, which he then broke. I won't be forgiving him for now, thanks.
Now, on my LCN business. You've got it all wrong. I didn't mess with the LCN as a joke, I was just being reckless and wanting revenge. Yes, Gagium did pardon me. He pardoned me once I had been proven not to be a traitor. He didn't think my banning was stupid -- initially, he supported it -- and I can see why. It's only rational to ban someone who you have what is seemingly evidence of treason. He also didn't unban me because he thought the rulings were stupid -- he unbanned me because of this, in his words:
COT is a nice guy who can contribute a lot to the region and has participated in several regional activities, and I think he's served ample punishment for what he did - Granted, I don't plan on letting him anywhere near the government if unbanned
That doesn't say anything about the rulings. He wanted me unbanned because he thought I was nice and that I could contribute a lot to the region. The LCN aspect of it didn't matter. At least, not to him. Our situations really aren't as analogous as you think. What's more, he hasn't been banned. He chose to leave, as I'm sure you know. I called him a traitor because of the utterly hypocritical way he behaved, and because he refuses to take responsibility for the chaos he's sowed. Like I've said, he left the region once suitable chaos had been caused.
𝕮𝖔𝖓𝖌𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖚𝖑𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖘, 𝖞𝖆 𝖕𝖑𝖆𝖞𝖊𝖉 𝖞𝖊𝖗𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖋.
:lol:
Viridus, Holy Rhinish Islands
Who's Boris Johnson?
Some British guy who caught the Rona.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power
Not laugh, didn't funny.
Dragons Of Power
Sounds cool
Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power
Thanks for the laugh, I needed that. Seriously, that was funny lmao
And no, I don't believe that's all he did. I am aware of what else he did, and will not deny that, but like he said, he knew it was illegal, and was ready to face the consequences. But this? Being banned from your own region when CLEARLY you've spent years on working and building, just to get ban because of some stupid outdated laws and doing things in spite of people/as a joke? Then yeah, I'm going to find the idea pretty damn stupid, that a bunch of people here are trying to ban Furby, Gagium, and few other people, who in reality, joined a discord server, and did things in spite of people like, Logon, Viridus, and you. Yes, because people get SO WORKED up over something that in real world, doesn't matter, and the fact that you're sitting here, defending faulty laws that aren't real world laws, kinda sad. After all, I only decided to say something, cause I was bored of doing NTI homework, but what about you? You seemly jumped in to defend yourself and a broken law system, that everyone has tried for months to fixed, but we get no where, why? Because of people disagreeing, and stupid drama like this. Seriously, if things get this over dramatic over spam that almost everyone here has already done many times, probably breaking rules again, and joining another reasons discord? Then, things are going to get a LOT worse when something worse is going to happen, because if some people can't handle this, then oh boy oh God hell's coming for when worse happenings, with only a few of the older peeps here being able to handle this while everyone else here gets worked up over really, nothing.
People aren't allowed to change their minds suddenly, because it's "on a topic where it involves breaking FCN law"? When other people have already established that they find some laws in the FCN outdated or just plain stupid, like myself? People aren't allowed to change their minds instantly, because it breaks a rule that they now suddenly see, stupid. So in that case, I'm not allowed to change my mind on a situation so suddenly, because it breaks a "law". Nice.
Plus, comparing Gagium's actions to something that hasn't happened in the real world, when one CLEARLY is worse than another, is terrible. It's like when Logon compared SCI to Hitler & Stalin, if you're comparing people here and their decisions that aren't really that wrong, to others that are CLEARLY wrong, is terrible, and quite frankly, disappointing, to say the least.
So, you're saying that he didn't own up to what he did, and hasn't apologized for his actions.
He is LITERALLY saying that he had failed you all, and that he's sorry that he did. Him by doing all of the things that "broke the law", is him failing, and up there, if you could READ, clear as day, says he's sorry. In the ENTIRE post, he willingly owns up to what he did, and by saying that he didn't, shows that you didn't read, you didn't care, or, at least, didn't quite understand what he meant by that.
Now, on my "precious little accident", on how you would put that. We've already apologize to one another, way back. In that moment, sure, I wanted him to get punished, and I owned up to what I did there, willingly, even those "death threats", but did I want him to be banned or removed from the region? No, no I didn't nor did I have a grudge against him because he made jokes about my gf and insulted her, (even though thanks to irl issues, I almost lost her to suicide & depression, so I was in fairness, quite defensive of her), and I quite explained on what I thought on the situation, if you couldn't recall, it's way back in the Senate Cloakroom, if you want to go read it. But, it's you, so, I doubt it. :/
Oh, so you're LCN stuff was worse that I thought? Hmm....tsk tsk....what ashame. So, he unbanned you because "COT is a nice guy who can contribute a lot to the region and has participated in several regional activities, and I think he's served ample punishment for what he did - Granted, I don't plan on letting him anywhere near the government if unbanned", after having your name cleared, and thought you were a nice guy, and liked having you around. To him, the whole LCN thing didn't matter, but, he didn't have to pardon you. He seriously didn't have to pardon you. But he did, because he thought you were a nice guy and would participate in a lot of things. Sounds awfully similar to why he wants SCI to be unbanned, ignoring all the drama, and seeing someone as who they are, and what they've done for the region and everyone else. And, quite frankly, I thing he was right on both you, and SCI.
Once again, I know that he's not banned, and I never said that, but you assumed that I think he was. I know that he left, and he left willingly, but for the better of everyone, but, apparently to you and others, not for the better. For the same people support his ban, they're quite angered that he left on his own, and not on your all's terms (which is banning him). So, him leaving when the regions in "chaos". What chaos? Tell me, you all still have a functioning government (while still being flawed), have over 200 nations here, and many active people/events going on. The government's slowly falling apart? Even though it has been for months now? This "chaos", well, when, you really look around and take a look at it, it's all just useless, stupid drama, over something that is quite frankly, childish. You called him a traitor, cause he left the region and "betrayed" the region, while still stating multiple times that he cares for everyone here, and the region. After all, if he didn't care, then why would he move his puppet here, and stay in the discord? Cause he cares? OMG, he cares for the region? That he spent years and lots of hard work/time into some region? Building friendships that he still wishes to keep? THIS ISN'T ALLOWED, BANJECT HIM ASAP! :scream:
And now, I'm going to head out. I have nothing against you COT, nor do I hate/dislike you. I've gain a lot of respect for you recently, and I quite frankly, don't want to lose that respect. I don't care if you "forgive" him or not, but I just don't want this to end in hate, because the MDA would like to stay in contact with both parties, including you. So, if you'll excuse me, I have NTI homework to get done. o7
Washingtonian Republic, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind
AAAH, my fingers :(
New Waldensia, Fluvannia, The Legion Of Mankind
I think we need to acknowledge that Gagium was not going to be banned from the FCN.
A resolution was on the floor to remove those on the LCN server from the Senate and not the region, and another resolution wouldve opened a relationship once more. The first of those resolutions looked as if it were going to fail and the easing of tensions resolution looked as if it was were going to pass, but the #freesci movement and the flaming of the nay faction by certain members of the aye faction led several undecideds to switch their vote. When combined with a certain Senator bolting in anger, the first resolution passed and the second failed.
I will not attach blame to either side, because no matter who fired the first shot, the result is the same. We had a breakdown in our wheel of democracy, a break down that couldve been prevented by cool heads, civility, and patience.
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Fluvannia, Eldrado, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, Kujawy
I, as of now, harbor no strong hatred towards the LCN, but the current feud brewing in both regions is precisely the reason why the regions have not been able to cooperate.
Washingtonian Republic, Fluvannia, Eldrado, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
1. About police brutality against blacks being higher than the average population.
If you see another civilizations, this is just another day, The West put this as a problem (and it really is), Western Civilization was among the first, if not THE FIRST to put racism as a problem, the first civilization to made a global campaign against it, the first on the past to made a global campaign against slavery. Other nations have similar problems, but have a much more tribal mindset and just don't care. The fact you care my friend, is a proof of the Western Values (that you are using now) and that it must be protected.
2. About America voting system.
Our system, that is proportional vote, just break any hope of a true federation, it is a mob rule, the American voting system, preserve some states from being more powerful than other, here in Brazil, more than 50% of the population is on Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro or Northeast region, so every politician care only about these areas, while states with few population and different problems, are forgotten. Brazil is politically dominates by Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Northeast oligarchs and politicians, USA having it's particular system suffer the risk of having a candidate elected with less votes but prevent New York, Texas and California from ruling all the country. I don't understand Americans thinking so badly of their federation, in Brazil we envy it and desire it.
3. The problem of American and Welfare system is that it don't require the person to work or built a commercial initiative, or if it requires the inspection system is flawed, of course you can't remove persons from poverty this way, in fact you incentivize them to keep on the system. And it's interesting the fact that this is one of the NS issues, and I always choose to better the inspection and raise the requirements. You think The West is flawed for that? My friend most of the other civilizations don't give a damn for the poor, don't have any welfare system, at best it based on charity system, but as I read on one issue about this, charity is scarce and most people don't care about helping others, with all respect to libertarians here, to put a safety net on a private charity system is extremely ineffective.
4. Repeal Jim Crow laws, grant citizenship for minorities and rights for them are mostly a West flag, other civilizations don't give a damn about killing minorities, putting them as second class citizens and don't give them any right.
5. Social mobility? Another Western Civilization flag, most of the other civilizations until western influence came have stratified societies or caste systems.
The Western Civilization have it's fails, a lot of problems, but it deserves to be defended, if you think not, please let me ask you my friend...
... WHAT IS YOUR ALTERNATIVE?
Washingtonian Republic, Aeternitatia, Dragons Of Power, Kujawy
Your favorite Redlandian is back!
Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Emerisis
I came here on my own admission so don't start accusing me of anything
New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Charleotopia, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
Thanks Diros
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands
This is pretty much my stance. Though I will say that the situation is not helped by:
- Their members joining our Discord in order to spam our government offices;
- Their false accusations that we are a dictatorship when this entire situation is due to our elected officials being restrained in punitive power (some dictatorship); and
- Their false accusations that we are a dictatorship when our elected officials willingly give up power, whereas their government's highest echelons have no fixed term, serving as long as they wish.
If they wish to have a honest and sincere discussion regarding burying the hatchet, that's fine, but from what I have seen so far they are mostly content to antagonize.
Washingtonian Republic, New Waldensia, Viridus, Aeternitatia, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, Logon, Kujawy
Charleotopia, Dragons Of Power
No one:
Not a single soul:
You see, Gagium is a traitor because he spoke to people from the LCN and betrayed me so now I'm gonna keep using bolded text just because I think it does a better job at emphasis than italics
New Waldensia, Gagium, Dragons Of Power
You seem to have an awfully quick grasp of the situation...
New Waldensia, Dragons Of Power, Mietkael, Aumburg
Lmao
I love COT, and I think the bold makes the argument look more professional. Hints why, I started using it after he did. But yeah. that's basically his argument in a nutshell. Mine's:
Gagium did do somethings wrong, but we shouldn't ban him/he's not at full fault/I like slashes, plus, the law's stupid anyways and it's outdated and I like run along sentences. Now, I'm going to use bold too, cause it's cool & I like it.
Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Holy Rhinish Islands, Aumburg
New Waldensia, Dragons Of Power
Wait! But all people from the LCN region are banned here, don't you know? Get out
Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, Aumburg
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Liberated American Provinces, Dragons Of Power
He wasnt going to be banned from the region, just the Senate until the MOAR passed or we lifted the ban on LCN relations.
Dragons Of Power, Holy Rhinish Islands, Aumburg
I didn't know that cause, well uh, you know, due to me resigning as Senator a few days ago. I do now tho, thanks to the post you made a bit back.
Fluvannia, Logon
As I said, if patience and cool heads prevailed we would be avoiding this situation entirely.
New Waldensia, Viridus, Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power
I do agree on that.
Logon
HYIAAAAAA
Dragons Of Power
You seem to miss the point. He wasn't banned. He left. He left because he wasn't ready to face the consequences of his actions. Even if he was banned, he apparently acknowledges that there would be consequences, so really you have no right to defend him. I cannot stress this enough to you, perhaps you're to young to have experienced the real world, but I'll say it regardless: No matter how much you contribute, you still face the same consequences as everyone else. The laws were not outdated. The region democratically kept them in place. Do you seriously think that just because the founder disagrees with the law, even though it's been kept in place by the region, he has a right to escape punishment? If so, I'd love to introduce you to something called "the real world".
The people you mention: Furby, Legion, Gagium -- they didn't join it illegally because Logon Viridus and I say it's illegal -- which is what you've said. No. They joined it illegally because laws they advocated say it's illegal. And no, m'dearest, they didn't do it as a joke. In their own words, it was a protest. Why are you defending someone for a crime you acknowledge they committed? And that's not all, ladies n' gents, that's not all! This clown is advocating for someone who decided to stream the FCN senate to the LCN.
Are you joking here? We didn't get "this over dramatic" over spam, we got rightfully angered over people breaking laws they stood for and streaming the senate to a region that conducted spying on us. Oh, and now you're calling this business "really nothing". You're hilarious. This isn't "really nothing". It's the betrayal and destruction of a region. If that doesn't show that you're out of touch, I really don't know what is.
And it isn't as if anything worse is going to happen, because the region has been destroyed, because of those people. If you want a good way to destroy a region, simply break the law, abuse your admin powers, stream to someone you've expressed your dislike for, and then run away at the end -- oh, and make sure to pull the victim card. All the good ones do it.
And no, I don't think that people aren't allowed to change their minds suddenly. What I do think is that you should be punished if you break laws you stood up for. The reason I even mentioned the sudden change of mind is because it's not as if changing your mind makes you immune -- if Gagium changed his mind on the LCN, he isn't entitled to break the laws regarding them and have a temper-tantrum. You clearly misunderstood what I wrote.
Okay m'lady, let us get a sense of scale here. In NationStates, ignoring laws you advocated, being a hypocrite, and leaving a region once you've collapsed it are greatly looked down upon. In real life, coughing on people, ignoring laws advocated, and being a hypocrite are also greatly looked down upon. So, unless you're one of those people who thinks that real life is equal to NS (which I'm starting to think you are), the example makes sense. Furthermore, if you also count destroying and betraying a region as "[actions] that aren't really that wrong" in NationStates, you really need to get in touch with reality. That's a feeling I'm getting from a lot of your "arguments"... excuses.
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If he's apologised and acknowledged what he did, then why are you defending him? He has shown that he has failed. He has admitted to it. That renders the entire point of your argument redundant. You'd be doing him a favour by shutting up. I understood what he meant. But once again, this isn't disney. Just because the pretty little princess says "Sowwy" doesn't mean everything is fine and dandy again. You said you knew that... I'm not so sure.
As for your precious little incident, that thing. The incident itself isn't what I was referencing, as I'm sure you knew, you just couldn't find an ample way to answer it. What I was referencing was that you too advocated for anti-spam rules, something you're now defending for Gagium. Yes, you can change your mind, but that doesn't change the past. And in this case, the past is a small portion of the reason Gagium has been stated to have committed a crime. And about the whole forgiving each other, I've already stated my reasons for not doing that.
And now we're back on to my drama, again. Like you say, the LCN legislation had nothing to do with me being unbanned (rendering your original arguments redundant). But then you continue on another little tangent: Why my unbanning was similar to SCI. Now you see, that much is true. SCI and myself had similar reasons to be unbanned in the mind of Gagium -- but it's the way he went about it that matters. For me, he used an EO, and had me unbanned. Had the senate wanted it, the EO could've been overturned. But was it? No. As for SCI, a bill was tried. The bill failed. So, like any child who didn't get their way, he had a tantrum, and caused this mess.
If you knew he wasn't banned, you didn't act like it. Quite a few of your points revolved around us "banning" him. But what you say regardless is flawed. His leaving wasn't for the better of everyone. Most regions die when the founder leaves... and Gagium was so much more than a founder. Yeah, we have a government. Yeah, we have a senate. But Gagium was one of the most active people in the region, and it'd be hard to replace someone like him. And as founder, he made sure to make the FCN a welcoming place. But without him, it'd be so much harder. That isn't even mentioning the massive distrust in the Senate, and by extension, the region. The "chaos" isn't just drama. I wish it was. Instead, it's the disregarding of rules and the start of anarchy. It's the region's most active members leaving, all while contributing to this mess. It's the wreckage of the FCN tainting conservatism on the international stage.
It's also unlikely that Gagium would be banned -- there are some times when exceptions need to be made to keep regions alive. But he left anyway, and there's nothing we can do about that. If he really was sorry, he'd have shown it through actions, not words that don't reflect his doings.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate you either. But I stand by what I said. I'm not going to forgive Gagium.
Viridus, Dragons Of Power
That was the hardest paragraph I've ever read. It's a wall of text, it's oppressive, it hurts to read.
For future reference, break your text up a bit more... and don't repeat things in the same wall of text.
The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Aumburg
TRUE COMMUNISM WILL BE ACHIVED!
Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Charleotopia, The Legion Of Mankind, Dragons Of Power
This x1000
Fluvannia, Dragons Of Power
That's your choice. I understand that, and, we can agree on. Now, I'm going to end it, cause I have other things to do, and I bet so do you.
But before, let me clear a few things up.
-I don't think NS and irl is the same thing. I really don't, I'm not going to sit here and explain "my life story" (cause no one cares nor do I want to share), but to say that I'm too young to have experiences, and that I think NS and the real world is the same, is false.
-I defended him, because that's what I do. I argue for people, because of some weird ass reason that I really don't know either. He has countless of times defended not only the MDA as a whole, but Legion and I as well. And, I wanted to return the favor.
-I'm not saying that he should "escape" his punishments, but people originally were advocating for his banned, which I found stupid, but thanks to Logon, (due to me not being a senator anymore), I am now aware that he won't be banned. I was arguing against his ban (due to people wanting him banned), not saying that he was banned to begin with. My wording, probably is what led to this assumption, and that's bad on my part.
New Waldensia, Gagium West Africa, Fluvannia, Eldrado, The Cot Corporation
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
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