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A little late to the conversation but should any nations be willing to trade in automobiles, Fluvannian manufacturers are more than willing to sell.

Please note that due to the fairly lax safety regulations, the city-cars and kei cars favored by many Fluvannians for their efficiency may not be legal for sale in your country.

Creeperopolis, Helpfull People, Gagium, Lsanya

Helpfull People wrote:I here by challenge libervalley to a special election due libervalley not being fit for office and not putting enough time as a World Assembly Delegate

lol

Helpfull People, Gagium

Fluvannia wrote:A little late to the conversation but should any nations be willing to trade in automobiles, Fluvannian manufacturers are more than willing to sell.

Please note that due to the fairly lax safety regulations, the city-cars and kei cars favored by many Fluvannians for their efficiency may not be legal for sale in your country.

i will sell you trout

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Krich Aerd wrote:Commies aint people and i dont care what silly names they call me

what? i disagree with communism but you still have to treat them like human beings

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Krich Aerd

Man, that MC server is the best idea we've had for a long time :)

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Doge Republics

Lovelton wrote:Augusto Pinochet did not kill humans. He killed commies.

The pinochet regime was pure evil.

According to a study in Latin American Perspectives, at least 200,000 Chileans (about 2% of Chile's 1973 population) were forced to go into exile. Additionally, hundreds of thousands left the country in the wake of the economic crises that followed the military coup during the 1970s and 1980s. Some of the key individuals who fled because of political persecution were followed in their exile by the DINA secret police, in the framework of Operation Condor, which linked South American military dictatorships together against political opponents.

According to Peter Kornbluh in The Pinochet File, "routine sadism was taken to extremes" in the prison camps. The rape of women was common, including sexual torture such as the insertion of rats into genitals and "unnatural acts involving dogs." Detainees were forcibly immersed in vats of urine and excrement, and were occasionally forced to ingest it. Beatings with gun butts, fists and chains were routine; one technique known as "the telephone" involved the torturer slamming "his open hands hard and rhythmically against the ears of the victim," leaving the person deaf. At Villa Grimaldi, prisoners were dragged into the parking lot and had the bones in their legs crushed as they were run over with trucks. Some died from torture; prisoners were beaten with chains and left to die from internal injuries. Following abuse and execution, corpses were interred in secret graves, dropped into rivers or the ocean, or just dumped on urban streets in the night.

Wright, Thomas C.; Oñate Zúñiga, Rody (2007). "Chilean political exile". Latin American Perspectives. 34 (4): 31. doi:10.1177/0094582x07302902.

Peter Kornbluh (11 September 2013). The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountability. The New Press. ISBN 1595589120 p. 171.

Gagium, Libernovusamericae, Reichtenstiene

Viridus wrote:Man, that MC server is the best idea we've had for a long time :)

thnajks

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Lsanya wrote:The pinochet regime was pure evil.

According to a study in Latin American Perspectives, at least 200,000 Chileans (about 2% of Chile's 1973 population) were forced to go into exile. Additionally, hundreds of thousands left the country in the wake of the economic crises that followed the military coup during the 1970s and 1980s. Some of the key individuals who fled because of political persecution were followed in their exile by the DINA secret police, in the framework of Operation Condor, which linked South American military dictatorships together against political opponents.

According to Peter Kornbluh in The Pinochet File, "routine sadism was taken to extremes" in the prison camps. The rape of women was common, including sexual torture such as the insertion of rats into genitals and "unnatural acts involving dogs." Detainees were forcibly immersed in vats of urine and excrement, and were occasionally forced to ingest it. Beatings with gun butts, fists and chains were routine; one technique known as "the telephone" involved the torturer slamming "his open hands hard and rhythmically against the ears of the victim," leaving the person deaf. At Villa Grimaldi, prisoners were dragged into the parking lot and had the bones in their legs crushed as they were run over with trucks. Some died from torture; prisoners were beaten with chains and left to die from internal injuries. Following abuse and execution, corpses were interred in secret graves, dropped into rivers or the ocean, or just dumped on urban streets in the night.

Wright, Thomas C.; Oñate Zúñiga, Rody (2007). "Chilean political exile". Latin American Perspectives. 34 (4): 31. doi:10.1177/0094582x07302902.

Peter Kornbluh (11 September 2013). The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountability. The New Press. ISBN 1595589120 p. 171.

what is this

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Lovelton, Reichtenstiene

Doge Republics wrote:what is this

This is someone's response to someone defending Augusto Pinochet.

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium

Libernovusamericae wrote:This is someone's response to someone defending Augusto Pinochet.

Well, honestly there is no doubt that Pinochet's regime was brutal.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Reichtenstiene

Doge Republics wrote:Well, honestly there is no doubt that Pinochet's regime was brutal.

Enter Dictatorships 101

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Reichtenstiene

Gagium wrote:Enter Dictatorships 101

i didnt take that class in liberalcollage.com

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Reichtenstiene

Doge Republics wrote:i didnt take that class in liberalcollage.com

I just finished my first semester in a community college, thankfully the liberals there were less regressive than in my high school, which is surprising.

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Reichtenstiene

Krich Aerd wrote:Idk fam, its been greentext for years

Thats the joke.

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Reichtenstiene

Captain Lard wrote:Lol the red fleet calls you “hateful”

Circumspice

XD

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Captain Lard, Libernovusamericae

Libernovusamericae wrote:I just finished my first semester in a community college, thankfully the liberals there were less regressive than in my high school, which is surprising.

Hmm... that's very interesting. I wonder why.

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Doge Republics wrote:Well, honestly there is no doubt that Pinochet's regime was brutal.

True

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Lsanya wrote:The pinochet regime was pure evil.

According to a study in Latin American Perspectives, at least 200,000 Chileans (about 2% of Chile's 1973 population) were forced to go into exile. Additionally, hundreds of thousands left the country in the wake of the economic crises that followed the military coup during the 1970s and 1980s. Some of the key individuals who fled because of political persecution were followed in their exile by the DINA secret police, in the framework of Operation Condor, which linked South American military dictatorships together against political opponents.

According to Peter Kornbluh in The Pinochet File, "routine sadism was taken to extremes" in the prison camps. The rape of women was common, including sexual torture such as the insertion of rats into genitals and "unnatural acts involving dogs." Detainees were forcibly immersed in vats of urine and excrement, and were occasionally forced to ingest it. Beatings with gun butts, fists and chains were routine; one technique known as "the telephone" involved the torturer slamming "his open hands hard and rhythmically against the ears of the victim," leaving the person deaf. At Villa Grimaldi, prisoners were dragged into the parking lot and had the bones in their legs crushed as they were run over with trucks. Some died from torture; prisoners were beaten with chains and left to die from internal injuries. Following abuse and execution, corpses were interred in secret graves, dropped into rivers or the ocean, or just dumped on urban streets in the night.

Wright, Thomas C.; Oñate Zúñiga, Rody (2007). "Chilean political exile". Latin American Perspectives. 34 (4): 31. doi:10.1177/0094582x07302902.

Peter Kornbluh (11 September 2013). The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountability. The New Press. ISBN 1595589120 p. 171.

Mph... very brutal. Not all that surprising tho.

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Doge Republics wrote:what is this

My response to the propositions that:

1. Pinochet only killed communists.

2. Anything he did was justified

3. Communists do not deserve human rights

4. Its ok to kill people you disagree with

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Doge Republics, Reichtenstiene

I would like to have the election tomorrow

Creeperopolis, Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Gagium

Helpfull People wrote:I would like to have the election tomorrow

Huh? What?

Creeperopolis, Helpfull People, Gagium

Topeka, Qui-Gon and Fortlock all CTE'd today.

F

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Lsanya wrote:My response to the propositions that:

1. Pinochet only killed communists.

2. Anything he did was justified

3. Communists do not deserve human rights

4. Its ok to kill people you disagree with

communists aren't even people, they all deserve to be hung or shot. Pinochet was a hero, a modern day crusader of Catholicism. What he did was brutal, but necessary.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Krich Aerd

Lsanya wrote:what? i disagree with communism but you still have to treat them like human beings

Monsters aint people chief, i thought Mao was enough

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Gran Argreriana

Post self-deleted by Reunited Soviets.

Blueflarst wrote:Do you accept or not?

Yeah, why not

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Gran Argreriana wrote:communists aren't even people, they all deserve to be hung or shot. Pinochet was a hero, a modern day crusader of Catholicism. What he did was brutal, but necessary.

Where in Catholic doctrine does it instruct Christians to persecute other?

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium

Krich Aerd wrote:Monsters aint people chief, i thought Mao was enough

Serious question: why dont you think communists deserve human rights?

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Lsanya wrote:Serious question: why dont you think communists deserve human rights?

Because of the 20th century, why give human rights to the greatest human rights violators?

This earth will know no peace until the last communist hangs from the guts of the last banker

Creeperopolis, Gagium

In lighter news..... I have a new flag.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Rivine, Fluvannia

New Waldensia wrote:In lighter news..... I have a new flag.

It could do without the face, itd be vexillogically perfect, but thats just my opinion

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Lsanya wrote:Serious question: why dont you think communists deserve human rights?

Because they advance policies that disregard the human rights of others. You treat people as good as you can the first time you meet them, and from then on only as good as they treat you. If someone expresses communist views, they are making a claim of ownership on your body and the products of your body. Essentially making a claim of ownership on your time and your labor. Any form of communism that compulses others to contribute is just theft dressed up in the garbs of a politician with an easy smile. You might shoot a burglar if they are in your house, just as you might throw a communist out of a helicopter if they are in your country.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Gran Argreriana

Pinochetus wrote:Because they advance policies that disregard the human rights of others. You treat people as good as you can the first time you meet them, and from then on only as good as they treat you. If someone expresses communist views, they are making a claim of ownership on your body and the products of your body. Essentially making a claim of ownership on your time and your labor. Any form of communism that compulses others to contribute is just theft dressed up in the garbs of a politician with an easy smile. You might shoot a burglar if they are in your house, just as you might throw a communist out of a helicopter if they are in your country.

Truth

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

New poll in Zentari! Come and vote!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=133860

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine

June 25, 1910

Remote Location In The Countryside Of Eldrado

2:00 P.M.

An Eldradonian General with a scarred face watches a caravan of heavy transport vehicles bringing in the last of the 30,000 Gran Argrerian troops. His cold blue eyes stare at them. He is General Klaus Heisler, a highly decorated veteran of the Eldradonian Civil War and multiple Eldradonian-Ottoman Conflicts over the years. The young men were outfitted with the Eldradonian standard issue weapons (Eldradonian Semi-Automatic Rifles, Eldradonian Rifles, ESAR and ER respectively, and Luger P08 Pistols ), kit (map, compass, bayonet knife, shovel, scope of even binoculars, rucksack, kettle, flint and steel, small, translated bible and even more) and a Eldradonian grey uniform as many of them were fresh recruits and did not have a suitable set of standard issue clothing. Weapons and military dress would further change based on the divisions they soldiers would be assigned to and who will pass the examinations to become officers. Maximilian is in one of the lines, stacking all of these items in his hands. While he has more experience than many other recruits and he has his own kit, he is still forced to to take the new items so that he may follow along with the Eldradonian training program. The two men, the Eldradonian General, and the Gran Argrerian soldier lock eyes for a brief moment. This was the partnership of two nations, a collision of worlds. The 30,000 were to be split up in 6 battalions. Each would go through basic training for 2 week, learning how to use their weapons and equipment, respond to commands, work on physical conditioning, and learn how to dig trenches . The next week, 5 of the 6 battalions will remain on this complex and train in trench and guerrilla warfare, utilizing the surrounding fields and forests to their advantage. The 6th group would go into the Carpathian Mountains to train and survive in the rocky and elevated setting. The groups would be further divided into divisions, companies, and squadrons which would all vary in size. The training should take hopefully a little less than a month in total, so they will be moving at a breakneck pace with little time for leisure. In the 3 week, the men will also elect their own officers from their divisions to independently lead and command theirs squadrons. The final week, known by most as the “Week of Pain” or as “The Seven-Day Hell” will involve brutal loving conditions in the trenches, starvation, sleep deprivation, intense weather exposure, oxygen deprivation, Today the men will rest from their travels and get to know their Eldradonian officers, staff sergeants, chaplains, and translators. There was a little confusion throughout the orientation process, with translators having to regularly intervene. The Gran Argrerianan language is a complex dialect, one which the Eldradonians never expected to encounter. In preparation, many translators were trained yet time will tell if their presence will be effective. Because Eldradonians all have to serve a term in the army, the translators will either have already experienced military training or will learn alongside the recruits. The men deposited their belongings in their bland, yet functional barracks. Maximilian is with some of his friends, playing a game of cards on their bunks before they are interrupted by a officer and translator who inform them to attend a debrief in the amphitheater in the parade grounds. The troops try on their new uniforms. The uniforms were made to resist colder weather than the Gran Argrerians were used to, but they were warned that any infraction will be punished. They head to the amphitheater. Klaus gives his opening remarks, each bit being translated.

“Welcome the boys of Gran Agreriana! Yes, you heard me, you are only boys. You have come here to learn how to become men, to fight and defend your country from all threats imaginable. You must be able to adapt to any situation, and respond effectively, like a true soldier. Yes, this will be difficult. Yes, you will almost always be in physical pain, with your mental strength the only thing you will be able to lean on. That will also waver. As instructed by my King, my Prime minister, and your Emperador, my job is to push you all to your limits, and beyond. My job is to turn you all into Gran Argrerian men. You will follow orders and never complain. You will live with little to no comfort. You will do all of this to become a superhuman, elite fighting force. Each of you will struggle, I would not be doing my job if you didn’t. Rely on each other. Work as a unit. Use each other’s strengths when challenged. Do this for God. Do this for country. Do this for yourselves.”

With the riveting speech ending, the men respectively applaud. They are briefed and explained their program, schedule, and other logistical information. They are told they are Cohort (an Eldradonian Cohort is made up of 5,000 men) Number 3, Division (A division is made up of 500 men) Number 3. They are dismissed at 8:30 P.M., returning to their quarters for an early rise at 4:00 A.M.

Maximillian, a young war veteran, feels a little underestimated. Hasn’t he proved himself in battle already? Who is this Eldradonian to question his manliness? However, he concedes that he does not know everything and he will see if this training will live up to its reputation. Praying with his division and his best mates, Pablo and Hernandez, they go to sleep at around 9:00 P.M.. Maximillian dreams of his homeland, longing to return and defend it against the Qing.

A shrill whistle breaks the quite in the barracks. “Rise and shine!” The Eldradonian officer yells with his translator as they bang their batons against the metal beds and a few slow recruits. The men are ordered to tidy their beds and belongings before the next whistle. They sluggishly move, panicking and attempting to finish before the next whistle. The officer is named Marius Zwolf.

*Whistles*

“Attention!”

The recruits stand straight in front of their bunks in their light grey undergarments. The officer walks down, eyeing each soldier, checking for minor imperfections, and then promptly correcting them with his baton, not bothering to speak and wait for the translator to repeat what he said. Ever so often, he would personally speak to one of the soldiers, judging him for small infractions, and publicly humiliating them. Maximillian prayed not to be chosen. He managed to arrange his bunk before the officer called for the group’s attention. He is looked at for a while, the officer’s black piercing eyes boring into his face. The officer sees cannot find anything to criticize, but moves on to the person beside him, Pablo, and punishes him for his poorly made bed. They are given some meek rations for breakfast which they are told to savour.

“Put your boots on, and let’s go for a nice run.” The officer says.

The men are not allowed to take any other clothes with them. They must go in their undergarments. The base is located in the more northern part of Eldrado, and remains relatively cold when there is no sun present. In their present state, the men were freezing, not being used to these temperatures. As Maximillian pants, sweats, and puffs out his warm breath into the cold air, he does notice that the officer is also in his undergarments and is running in front and leading the pack. While he certainly does not like the man because of his explosive temper, he appreciates and respects the fact that “the Marius” leads, works, and fights alongside the soldiers. He is described as firm, but fair. A man you may not like, but a man who you would follow in danger. After their 15 Kilometre Run, they returned in a pool of sweat to their barrack. They are then ordered to go to the showers. The men were taken one by one and were power showered in cold water. By now it was around 7:00 A.M.. The day has barely started. The men were then taken to their bunks and taught how everything should be packed, folded, arranged, and cleaned. They were then timed and would not leave until they got everything right for three times. This took another 45 minutes. Next was firearm training. Maximillian was waiting for this eagerly. He could finally show that he is skilled, the he is more than a fresh conscript. It was the first time he used his new ESAR. It felt light and agile in his hands. Its barrel is not very long, as it is is made for use in trenches, but Maximillian could feel its awesome power as he unloaded a few rounds into a target. He was one of the few that managed to actually hit the target. He shot at it from several different positions, lying prone, kneeling, standing up, and so on. This drew the attention of both the officer Marius and even the watchful eye of General Klaus.

“Looks like we have a sharpshooter in our ranks,” says Marius with a small smile. “Maybe you all could learn a thing or two,”

They learned to shoot, clean, and take apart and put back their rifles and pistols. This lasted until about 9:30. Following this, they had a hand to hand combat training session.

“Each man will learn how to disarm and neutralize their enemy,” Marius says. Your gun is not your only weapon. You must learn how to use a knife and bayonet, a rock, a bottle, your hands, and whatever else you get your hands on.”

“You must be prepared to face the chaos of war,” He says.

They fistfight in groups or in twos, practice bayoneting, and train with knives. This goes on until their 11:30 lunch break. The men were so exhausted and hungry, they quickly ate their lunch in the mess hall, and collapsed in their bunks fully clothed to sleep through the remainder of the break. They are woken up abruptly at 1 P.M.. They march for kilometres on end, practicing charging, taking cover, putting on gas masks, and even shooting, skinning, and preparing wild animals, a skill which could prove useful when supplies run short. When they return at 4 P.M,, they begin to practice shooting again, this time trying to hit moving target, throwing discs into the air and attempting to shoot them. They also practiced with the standard “egg” grenades used by the Eldradonian army, a sort of modified British Mark 1 Grenade. They practiced physical conditioning on an obstacle course at 6 P.M., doing chin ups, crawling, climbing, push ups, and the brutal exercise known as parade marching, a disciplinary exercise that would have to be practiced in perfect unison and look visually appealing to a civilian audience, yet cause great pain among the ranks. This lasted until 8:30 P.M.. They were given the rest of the night off, with dinner being served.

This program would be generally repeated, with some days being slightly modified to focus on a certain skilled. Maximilian was in great pain. Every minute was a challenge, every hour taxing, and every day inhuman as promised. But, he would not fail. He would not give in. He had much to fight for. His division grew very close, supporting one another, helping each other face their pain and overcome it. Maximilian started to become their honorary leader, someone that held the division together and inspired them to continue. Each night they would pray together, sometimes in the Eldradonian chapel, sometimes in their barracks. A week went by.

In this week, they learned all about how to build, maintain, attack, and defend trenches.

These were the general plans when building trenches. Each trench would have to be around 2-3 meters wide and 2-3 meters deep. It proves to be arduous work as it takes 500 men (1 Division) around 6.5 hours to build 300 meters of trench. Each day they would begin with conditioning and shooting, then, after their lunch, they would build trenches and train in the trenches for the remainder of the day.

One of these days, the entire Cohort Number 3 with its 10 Divisions was marched out a few kilometres to an open field. Marius takes a shovel, and imbeds it into the soil. He then walks the division around 300 m away and stabs another shovel into the soil. “We will dig a trench network together,” he tells the division, “Each division is tasked will make a trench line... The group with the best trench will have an early leave and will be done for the day. The others will do parade marching until everyone is in perfect unison.”

“We have 6.5 hours to complete a regulation trench. If I were you, I’d dig like your life depended”.

They get down to work as soon as the starting gunshot was fired into the air. They work tirelessly, with Marius rapidly yelling orders, and the soldiers following them to the smallest detail. Maximillian, Pablo, and Hernandez dig together, set down wooden planks, metal, and other materials as supports and walkways, and set up machine gun posts, pillboxes, sandboxes, bunkers, dug outs, drainage reservoirs, and so on. Their hands and back ached, their feet were frozen numb, their faces covered in filth. But they carried on. The hours ticked by. It was much harder to dig when it got dark, so they pushed on. Finally, in 6 hours and 23 minutes, the Gran Argrerians of Division 3, Cohort 3 finished first, showing the fastest time. They used their last few minutes to check if everything was in order. General Klaus was a judge, inspecting their trench and commenting on every detail. It was impressive work in the amount of time given, and it was satisfactory to pass a regulatory inspection. They waited anxiously to hear if they won. They would not be able to bear parade marching after what they had done. Finally, they were informed of their success. Great jubilation among the division ensued, with 500 cheers breaking into the evening quiet. They were rewarded with better food and a night of rest. Maximillian understands something new about the Eldradonians. They may be strict and seem cruel, but, if you meet their expectations, you will be highly rewarded.

More will be written about the last 2 weeks!

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Gran Argreriana, Right Wing Militia

Krich Aerd wrote:Because of the 20th century, why give human rights to the greatest human rights violators?

This earth will know no peace until the last communist hangs from the guts of the last banker

I don't like commies but they deserve the same amount of rights as you or me. If we ban them then we are no better than the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Libernovusamericae, Eldrado

So who's on currently

Creeperopolis, Viridus, New Gandor, Trenado, Rivine, Libernovusamericae, Eldrado

Pinochetus wrote:Because they advance policies that disregard the human rights of others. You treat people as good as you can the first time you meet them, and from then on only as good as they treat you. If someone expresses communist views, they are making a claim of ownership on your body and the products of your body. Essentially making a claim of ownership on your time and your labor. Any form of communism that compulses others to contribute is just theft dressed up in the garbs of a politician with an easy smile. You might shoot a burglar if they are in your house, just as you might throw a communist out of a helicopter if they are in your country.

I used to strongly oppose such measures because I viewed them as detrimental to liberty; however, now I don't know where I stand. While I'm not an anarcho-capitalist or minarchist, I am still very concerned with the idea of a dictatorship controlling the narrative, but at the same time I'm really starting to get sick of communists censoring all right wingers as "reactionaries".

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Fluvannia

Gran Argreriana wrote:communists aren't even people, they all deserve to be hung or shot. Pinochet was a hero, a modern day crusader of Catholicism. What he did was brutal, but necessary.

IC or OOC?

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Rivine, Libernovusamericae

Krich Aerd wrote:Monsters aint people chief, i thought Mao was enough

So communists who have been brainwashed for generations in countries such as the Soviet Union and China are not people, and thus are monsters despite bearing most of the hardships of communism? Only a minuscule portion of deaths of communists were committed by non-communist regimes.

Of course, most American communists made the choice and were not necessarily forced to support the ideology, and though they’re severely misled, that doesn’t make them monsters or not humans.

Creeperopolis, Krich Aerd, Fluvannia, Libernovusamericae, Eldrado

Pinochetus wrote:Because they advance policies that disregard the human rights of others. You treat people as good as you can the first time you meet them, and from then on only as good as they treat you. If someone expresses communist views, they are making a claim of ownership on your body and the products of your body. Essentially making a claim of ownership on your time and your labor. Any form of communism that compulses others to contribute is just theft dressed up in the garbs of a politician with an easy smile. You might shoot a burglar if they are in your house, just as you might throw a communist out of a helicopter if they are in your country.

You have to look into it a bit deeper. Communists believe their ideology ultimately helps the human race and is the best way to guarantee equality for everyone. In theory, sure, you have equality, among the usual downsides of the ideology. In practice, you don’t have equality and you have other bad things generally, such as lack of freedom.

Does that make a person not human for advocating for something they believe is right, whether it actually is or is not? In some extremities, such as in the case of Adolf Hitler and Stalin, sure. For the majority of advocates of extremist ideologies that result in widespread death, they’re simply misled.

Creeperopolis, Krich Aerd

The American German Imperium wrote:I don't like commies but they deserve the same amount of rights as you or me. If we ban them then we are no better than the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

I never said i was better, for true Freedom to exist, we need to physically remove those who would take it away from us

Creeperopolis

Libernovusamericae wrote:I used to strongly oppose such measures because I viewed them as detrimental to liberty; however, now I don't know where I stand. While I'm not an anarcho-capitalist or minarchist, I am still very concerned with the idea of a dictatorship controlling the narrative, but at the same time I'm really starting to get sick of communists censoring all right wingers as "reactionaries".

If I'm being honest the real solution is a separation of economics and state. If the state has no control over economics, then it no longer matters if communists exist or not. Similar to how prior to separation of church and state, many denominations would often fight for control over the royalty/governments in order to benefit their own sect while oppressing opposing religious groups and sects. Once the power for governments to regulate religion ended, the conflicts between religious sects in the West essentially vanished. Although one could argue that such conflicts are coming back with western governments enacting portions of sharia into law, or legislating anti-islamic laws into the government. Both are failings of the legislature and judiciary to remember the importance of the separation of church and state. Any power the government has to regulate the economy creates an incentive for communists, and capitalists to fight for control over the government. I would argue that communists are proposing an unethical form of government based on theft. However thats simply my personal opinion (based on what I believe to be a consistent principle). I do believe that the world would be much better off if control over the economic sphere fell away from governments entirely and if individuals wished to form a communist commune they could do so, so long as people were freely allowed to leave and join, and if individuals wished to trade freely with no restrictions they could also do so freely so long as they did not damage other people.

Many leftists would argue that without regulation of business, corporations would pollute excessively and destroy the environment, however that is simply not true. Under common law, any citizen may sue for trespass or nuisance claims if an entity allowed any of their own property to escape onto private property owned by another citizen. As Supreme Court Justice George Sutherland said in a case in 1926, “Nuisance may be merely a right thing in a wrong place like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.” Legal actions for such can lead to uncapped recovery for damages to health or damages to the quiet enjoyment of property. Even something as simple as smog on the horizon could trigger a successful suit. Similarly, if your land merely has access to water use, one can also sue a trespass against any entity that allowed an unwanted/unwelcome pollutant to enter into the water being used by an individual or property.

After the passage of the Clean Water Act of 1972 and creation of the EPA, the EPA then set standards for water quality (which were lower than several states existing standards and lower than individual standards held on properties), past the passage of that act which allowed the government to regulate water standards, pollution was allowed so long as the water stayed above EPA standards. Several common law cases were attempted after the passage of this act, yet all were in favor of the polluter, since EPA standards were now the federal standard and existing water standards and degradation of those standards no longer mattered. Every state pushed down to the lowest bar, and people ignorant of the past tend to claim that "without the EPA, we'd be drinking orange water." Allowing individuals to decide for themselves what standards to hold their own private property to, and to enforce any violations of that standard by others with uncapped financial damages was a far greater check against pollution than having nationwide environmental standards.

Pre-EPA, in 1934, this was the Supreme Courts stance on ground water:

"the science of groundwater hydrology as well as societal concern for environmental protection has developed dramatically. As a matter of scientific fact the courses of subterranean waters are no longer obscure and mysterious. . . . We now hold that negligence is not a necessary element of a nuisance case involving contamination of public or private waters by pollutants percolating through the soil and traveling underground routes."

Post-EPA, the supreme court could only force polluters to meet EPA standards, and not to restore the ground-water to its previous levels and monetarily compensate users of the ground water for thier lost use. This represented a vastly smaller financial risk to polluters than the uncapped financial risk that previously existed. The EPA essentially subverted common law, and established standards by which polluters knew they had to keep water and groundwater at. This greatly reduced the financial liability of pollution and even made it convenient for a company to come up with a profitable business case for polluting.

I would argue that a respect for private property rights, is all that is needed to minimize pollution and that government regulation has actually increased pollution. And I have many other examples for instances when regulation of the economy did not have the desired affect, but instead the opposite affect.

Creeperopolis

Gagium wrote:So communists who have been brainwashed for generations in countries such as the Soviet Union and China are not people, and thus are monsters despite bearing most of the hardships of communism? Only a minuscule portion of deaths of communists were committed by non-communist regimes.

Of course, most American communists made the choice and were not necessarily forced to support the ideology, and though they’re severely misled, that doesn’t make them monsters or not humans.

Most people in the USSR and Cambodia for example hated communism because it was so horrible.

The chinese are a different thing altogether, they arent communist, they just lack individuality, they always follow their leaders. Their leaders are monsters.

And yes, commies outside commie countries are monsters too.

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Gagium wrote:You have to look into it a bit deeper. Communists believe their ideology ultimately helps the human race and is the best way to guarantee equality for everyone. In theory, sure, you have equality, among the usual downsides of the ideology. In practice, you don’t have equality and you have other bad things generally, such as lack of freedom.

Does that make a person not human for advocating for something they believe is right, whether it actually is or is not? In some extremities, such as in the case of Adolf Hitler and Stalin, sure. For the majority of advocates of extremist ideologies that result in widespread death, they’re simply misled.

Take Tankies or Trotskytes for example, they believe communism can only be achieved through violent expansion.

"Send the tanks in" they said when the Hungarians revolted, "It was their own fault" they said when the Ukrainians resisted, "Gulags were paradise" they said when russians doubted, defend them all you want, you wont be afforded the same treatment

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Krich Aerd wrote:Take Tankies or Trotskytes for example, they believe communism can only be achieved through violent expansion.

"Send the tanks in" they said when the Hungarians revolted, "It was their own fault" they said when the Ukrainians resisted, "Gulags were paradise" they said when russians doubted, defend them all you want, you wont be afforded the same treatment

What's your ideology, and does your ideology have examples of which its followers expanded violently or killed others with methods similar to that of the gulags? If so, should hold you responsible for that, and say you are not human?

Creeperopolis, Krich Aerd

Gagium wrote:What's your ideology, and does your ideology have examples of which its followers expanded violently or killed others with methods similar to that of the gulags? If so, should hold you responsible for that, and say you are not human?

Im an anti-consumerist anti-globalist, the closest someone has been to my ideas was Ted Kaczynski, and no, his crimes arent even on the same league as "minor" commie dictatorships like Cuba, Chile or Venezuela

EDIT: yes, me accepting Mass murder would pretty much make me a monster

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Krich Aerd wrote:Im an anti-consumerist anti-globalist, the closest someone has been to my ideas was Ted Kaczynski, and no, his crimes arent even on the same league as "minor" commie dictatorships like Cuba, Chile or Venezuela

EDIT: yes, me accepting Mass murder would pretty much make me a monster

Then we're all monsters, is that right?

...Quick google search of Ted Kaczymski though, you aren't in too much of a position to be calling others of an entire general ideology monsters. Whoosh

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Viridus, Krich Aerd, Libernovusamericae

Gagium wrote:Then we're all monsters, is that right?

...Quick google search of Ted Kaczymski though, you aren't in too much of a position to be calling others of an entire general ideology monsters. Whoosh

He Is the CLOSEST, im not a follower

Again, letter bombs dont compare to genocide

EDIT: and i dont accept Mass murder as a fundamental part of my ideas

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Krich Aerd wrote:He Is the CLOSEST, im not a follower

Again, letter bombs dont compare to genocide

EDIT: and i dont accept Mass murder as a fundamental part of my ideas

Eh, just googled again for a summary of Ted Kaczymski's work Industrial Society and its Future, and this is an excerpt of that:

"Society is reaching a crisis where it must do something about sub-societies (e.g. criminal gangs, militia, ghettos) that are threatening its absolute control. We must take advantage of this and increase social stress in order to weaken society and make its destruction easier.

Our destruction of society will bring great suffering, but it will be no worse than if technological society continues on its inevitable course."

Advocating for that doesn't sound too far from mindlessly supporting communism unaware of its results in other countries, right?

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Krich Aerd, Libernovusamericae

Pinochetus wrote:[spoiler=Spoiler added for length.]If I'm being honest the real solution is a separation of economics and state. If the state has no control over economics, then it no longer matters if communists exist or not. Similar to how prior to separation of church and state, many denominations would often fight for control over the royalty/governments in order to benefit their own sect while oppressing opposing religious groups and sects. Once the power for governments to regulate religion ended, the conflicts between religious sects in the West essentially vanished. Although one could argue that such conflicts are coming back with western governments enacting portions of sharia into law, or legislating anti-islamic laws into the government. Both are failings of the legislature and judiciary to remember the importance of the separation of church and state. Any power the government has to regulate the economy creates an incentive for communists, and capitalists to fight for control over the government. I would argue that communists are proposing an unethical form of government based on theft. However thats simply my personal opinion (based on what I believe to be a consistent principle). I do believe that the world would be much better off if control over the economic sphere fell away from governments entirely and if individuals wished to form a communist commune they could do so, so long as people were freely allowed to leave and join, and if individuals wished to trade freely with no restrictions they could also do so freely so long as they did not damage other people.

Many leftists would argue that without regulation of business, corporations would pollute excessively and destroy the environment, however that is simply not true. Under common law, any citizen may sue for trespass or nuisance claims if an entity allowed any of their own property to escape onto private property owned by another citizen. As Supreme Court Justice George Sutherland said in a case in 1926, “Nuisance may be merely a right thing in a wrong place like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.” Legal actions for such can lead to uncapped recovery for damages to health or damages to the quiet enjoyment of property. Even something as simple as smog on the horizon could trigger a successful suit. Similarly, if your land merely has access to water use, one can also sue a trespass against any entity that allowed an unwanted/unwelcome pollutant to enter into the water being used by an individual or property.

After the passage of the Clean Water Act of 1972 and creation of the EPA, the EPA then set standards for water quality (which were lower than several states existing standards and lower than individual standards held on properties), past the passage of that act which allowed the government to regulate water standards, pollution was allowed so long as the water stayed above EPA standards. Several common law cases were attempted after the passage of this act, yet all were in favor of the polluter, since EPA standards were now the federal standard and existing water standards and degradation of those standards no longer mattered. Every state pushed down to the lowest bar, and people ignorant of the past tend to claim that "without the EPA, we'd be drinking orange water." Allowing individuals to decide for themselves what standards to hold their own private property to, and to enforce any violations of that standard by others with uncapped financial damages was a far greater check against pollution than having nationwide environmental standards.

Pre-EPA, in 1934, this was the Supreme Courts stance on ground water:

"the science of groundwater hydrology as well as societal concern for environmental protection has developed dramatically. As a matter of scientific fact the courses of subterranean waters are no longer obscure and mysterious. . . . We now hold that negligence is not a necessary element of a nuisance case involving contamination of public or private waters by pollutants percolating through the soil and traveling underground routes."

Post-EPA, the supreme court could only force polluters to meet EPA standards, and not to restore the ground-water to its previous levels and monetarily compensate users of the ground water for thier lost use. This represented a vastly smaller financial risk to polluters than the uncapped financial risk that previously existed. The EPA essentially subverted common law, and established standards by which polluters knew they had to keep water and groundwater at. This greatly reduced the financial liability of pollution and even made it convenient for a company to come up with a profitable business case for polluting.

I would argue that a respect for private property rights, is all that is needed to minimize pollution and that government regulation has actually increased pollution. And I have many other examples for instances when regulation of the economy did not have the desired affect, but instead the opposite affect.[/spoiler]

What you said sounds reasonable.

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Gagium wrote:Eh, just googled again for a summary of Ted Kaczymski's work Industrial Society and its Future, and this is an excerpt of that:

"Society is reaching a crisis where it must do something about sub-societies (e.g. criminal gangs, militia, ghettos) that are threatening its absolute control. We must take advantage of this and increase social stress in order to weaken society and make its destruction easier.

Our destruction of society will bring great suffering, but it will be no worse than if technological society continues on its inevitable course."

CLOSEST, I AM AGAINST THE EXTERMINATION OF PRE-CAPITAL IDENTITIES AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE BIOSPHERE, I DO BELIEVE SOCIETY WILL NATURALLY REACH A CRASHING POINT WHERE HUMAN SUFFERING WILL BECOME INESCAPABLE, I.AM.NOT.A.FOLLOWER.OF.THE.UNABOMBER I JUST AGREE WITH THE STATED FACT THAT INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY SUCKS

Again, the end Is coming, theres nothing we can do about it, the acceptance of this isnt the same as genocide

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Krich Aerd wrote:CLOSEST, I AM AGAINST THE EXTERMINATION OF PRE-CAPITAL IDENTITIES AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE BIOSPHERE, I DO BELIEVE SOCIETY WILL NATURALLY REACH A CRASHING POINT WHERE HUMAN SUFFERING WILL BECOME INESCAPABLE, I.AM.NOT.A.FOLLOWER.OF.THE.UNABOMBER I JUST AGREE WITH THE STATED FACT THAT INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY SUCKS

Again, the end Is coming, theres nothing we can do about it, the acceptance of this isnt the same as genocide

....And what if I told you most 'communists' (At least in the United States) do not believe in genocide...?

I believe I've made my point, judging from your reaction when I asserted that.

Creeperopolis, Krich Aerd

Krich Aerd wrote:CLOSEST, I AM AGAINST THE EXTERMINATION OF PRE-CAPITAL IDENTITIES AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE BIOSPHERE, I DO BELIEVE SOCIETY WILL NATURALLY REACH A CRASHING POINT WHERE HUMAN SUFFERING WILL BECOME INESCAPABLE, I.AM.NOT.A.FOLLOWER.OF.THE.UNABOMBER I JUST AGREE WITH THE STATED FACT THAT INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY SUCKS

Again, the end Is coming, theres nothing we can do about it, the acceptance of this isnt the same as genocide

When it "all comes crashing down", what type of society do you believe should rise from the ashes?

Creeperopolis, Krich Aerd

Gagium wrote:....And what if I told you most 'communists' (At least in the United States) do not believe in genocide...?

I believe I've made my point, judging from your reaction when I asserted that.

They believe the Holodomor was justified, you keep lumping me in with Ted

Tankies are a thing, so Is Antifa, "Dictatorship of the proletariat" Is an actual concept among commies

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Libernovusamericae

Libernovusamericae wrote:When it "all comes crashing down", what type of society do you believe should rise from the ashes?

I dont care about that, i wont be around for it

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Hmm... Eh too busy playing Minecraft to bother debating

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Fluvannia

Viridus wrote:Hmm... Eh too busy playing Minecraft to bother debating

Come on. It just started to get interesting.

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Krich Aerd

Hello I am Ambassedoria of the roman empire. I came to ask some questions. Was Lalop once a part of this region?

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Ambassedoria wrote:Hello I am Ambassedoria of the roman empire. I came to ask some questions. Was Lalop once a part of this region?

Unfortunately Yes

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium

Is it true that he once ran for a place in the government, got a lot of backlash, and then got into a hissy fit?

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine

Krich Aerd wrote:They believe the Holodomor was justified, you keep lumping me in with Ted

Tankies are a thing, so Is Antifa, "Dictatorship of the proletariat" Is an actual concept among commies

Let's talk about the 'actual concepts' expressed by Ted, right?

Of course I kept lumping you in with him; You called all misled communists monsters and lumped them in with the very dictators and their supporters who killed communists (..And a ton of other people. Enter real-world communism and its examples).

Have you never seen a communist talk about that being 'not real communism'?

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Krich Aerd, Libernovusamericae

Post self-deleted by Libernovusamericae.

Ambassedoria wrote:Is it true that he once ran for a place in the government, got a lot of backlash, and then got into a hissy fit?

Yes

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Gagium

That is exactly what is happening in our region. We are accusing him of voter fraud and he is denying it despite us having proof he is guilty. If we were to hold a trial, would you be willing to send some people as witnesses? The trial will not happen for several weeks if we decide to hold it

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Libernovusamericae

Post self-deleted by Libernovusamericae.

Ambassedoria wrote:That is exactly what is happening in our region. We are accusing him of voter fraud and he is denying it despite us having proof he is guilty. If we were to hold a trial, would you be willing to send some people as witnesses? The trial will not happen for several weeks if we decide to hold it

Sure, what kind of evidence do you have though?

Creeperopolis, New Waldensia, Libernovusamericae

Gagium wrote:Let's talk about the 'actual concepts' expressed by Ted, right?

Of course I kept lumping you in with him; You called all misled communists monsters and lumped them in with the very dictators and their supporters who killed communists (..And a ton of other people. Enter real-world communism and its examples).

Have you never seen a communist talk about that being 'not real communism'?

I dont subscribe to the same ideas, the only thing we have in common Is "Industrial society sucks", i wont defend that terrorist, we have no ideology.

Are you saying the very idea of communism didnt kill millions last century? Commies today follow the same ideas Stalin, Mao and Castro did.

Me and Ted have one thing in common, we both saw the cage we live in, we have nothing else in common

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Libernovusamericae

Krich Aerd wrote:I dont subscribe to the same ideas, the only thing we have in common Is "Industrial society sucks", i wont defend that terrorist, we have no ideology.

Are you saying the very idea of communism didnt kill millions last century? Commies today follow the same ideas Stalin, Mao and Castro did.

Me and Ted have one thing in common, we both saw the cage we live in, we have nothing else in common

But that wasn't real communism!!!!!!!!!!!!

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Krich Aerd

Well for one, he has deemed everyone a citizen. He was put in charge of the census, and only people that have been in the region for a week is considered a citizen. However, he made everyone (even the people that had just joined) a citizen. We also have several nations we believe are his puppets, and they all voted for him in our recent election for supreme leader

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Fluvannia, Libernovusamericae

Viridus wrote:But that wasn't real communism!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah well, that wasnt real collapse cultism doesnt have the same ring to it

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Ambassedoria wrote:Well for one, he has deemed everyone a citizen. He was put in charge of the census, and only people that have been in the region for a week is considered a citizen. However, he made everyone (even the people that had just joined) a citizen. We also have several nations we believe are his puppets, and they all voted for him in our recent election for supreme leader

Which nations?

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Ambassedoria wrote:That is exactly what is happening in our region. We are accusing him of voter fraud and he is denying it despite us having proof he is guilty. If we were to hold a trial, would you be willing to send some people as witnesses? The trial will not happen for several weeks if we decide to hold it

Here's what you're looking for

https://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=federation_of_conservative_nations?start=8050

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Rivine wrote:Here's what you're looking for

https://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=federation_of_conservative_nations?start=8050

LOL

Creeperopolis, Gagium

We know Catop is one, and there are several others but I can't remember what they are called. The page you sent us just confirmed that

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Libernovusamericae

Ambassedoria wrote:We know Catop is one, and there are several others but I can't remember what they are called. The page you sent us just confirmed that

Looks like your would be leader needs to go into exile or whatever the punishment is according to your penal code.

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine

Ambassedoria wrote:We know Catop is one, and there are several others but I can't remember what they are called. The page you sent us just confirmed that

Yeah, if you find out the other nations, please TG me

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Will do. We canceled the election once we suspected Lalop of rigging the election. We are unfortunately without a leader right now because our emperor recently disappeared and we have no idea what happened. We are waiting to see if he CTE's before we hold a trial

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Libernovusamericae

Ambassedoria wrote:Will do. We canceled the election once we suspected Lalop of rigging the election. We are unfortunately without a leader right now because our emperor recently disappeared and we have no idea what happened. We are waiting to see if he CTE's before we hold a trial

Is there a second in command? Surely he or she could take over.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

We do not have a second in command. Our WA delegate formed a transitionary council (which unfortunately Lalop was a part of) and a constitution that would be enacted if the emperor never returned

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine, Libernovusamericae

Ambassedoria wrote:Will do. We canceled the election once we suspected Lalop of rigging the election. We are unfortunately without a leader right now because our emperor recently disappeared and we have no idea what happened. We are waiting to see if he CTE's before we hold a trial

Luckily your emperor/founder is in vacation mode, so maybe they were planning on be off NS for a while... though if they do CTE, you'll need to refound the region

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Rivine

As of today, he still as exactly 3 weeks left before he is lost forever.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

We think that DEBUnud could be a puppet

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Ambassedoria wrote:We think that DEBUnud could be a puppet

It is

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Also glad to see you actually came and joined the party in the roman empire. We could use your help

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Rivine

Ambassedoria wrote:Also glad to see you actually came and joined the party in the roman empire. We could use your help

You could apply to be an ambassador in our discord.

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Libernovusamericae

Serious questio

Pinochetus wrote:Because they advance policies that disregard the human rights of others. You treat people as good as you can the first time you meet them, and from then on only as good as they treat you. If someone expresses communist views, they are making a claim of ownership on your body and the products of your body. Essentially making a claim of ownership on your time and your labor. Any form of communism that compulses others to contribute is just theft dressed up in the garbs of a politician with an easy smile. You might shoot a burglar if they are in your house, just as you might throw a communist out of a helicopter if they are in your country.

I'm not arguing about what communism is or if it is good or bad. I'm asking why it's okay to violate the rights of a human rights violator. Your two examples are "shoot a burglar in your house" and "throw a communist out of a helicopter." These obviously aren't the same. One is an emergency act of self-defense. The other is cruel and unusual punishment.

Is there a way to stop a human rights violator without becoming a human rights violator?

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Lsanya wrote:Serious questioI'm not arguing about what communism is or if it is good or bad. I'm asking why it's okay to violate the rights of a human rights violator. Your two examples are "shoot a burglar in your house" and "throw a communist out of a helicopter." These obviously aren't the same. One is an emergency act of self-defense. The other is cruel and unusual punishment.

Is there a way to stop a human rights violator without becoming a human rights violator?

I would counter with the question; "Is there a way to stop a murderer without becoming a murderer?"

The answer to this question is yes. I am curious what methods you might suggest for dealing with a murderer without killing them.

I would also point out that the reason the burglar's life is forfeit is because the burglar has violated your rights to private property by entering your home without your consent. Pre-emptive defense against an attempted burglarly is also justified in that if someone was kicking your door down, you could also shoot them prior to them gaining access to your home. One might argue that their intent is still unclear and it could perhaps be that they only intend to kick your door in and then leave. However, most legal statutes do not require absolute knowledge of intent, and only require that any assumption that an action is based off of be reasonable. And it is certainly reasonable to assume that someone kicking your door down, wants to enter your home without your consent. Someone advocating for communism is also too, displaying intent to violate your rights to private property. While I admit the helicopter thing is a bit comical, it also isn't wholly incorrect. Someone chanting to seize the means of production while ignoring that you paid for the means of production with your own investment can certainly be assumed to have intent to violate your private property. I also do admit that words themselves are not construed to have the same affect as actions, but there are many actions that could be said to be undertaken with the goal of establishing communism. Currently it is illegal in the United States for communists party members to hold political office, but this does not stop politicans from advancing their agenda anyways, nor does it stop the Communist Party USA from verbally supporting politicians, policies and a specific political party (guess which one), because they advance the goals of communism within the US.

Communism is the theft and redistribution of private property without the consent of the individual who is being stolen from. I see it as no different than common burglary, except that the burglar at least has the gall to commit his crime on his own, while the communist hides behind the state who do it on his behalf.

However saying all of this, I do not think the courts would see it in the same light if an individual were to rent a helicopter for the sole purpose of throwing a communist out of it from a couple thousand feet up since the threat to property is more abstract and in the future. I also am not a lawyer, and by no means is this legal advice. However it is the application of a universal principle that violations of private property can be met with force as a defense.

Creeperopolis, Gagium

Krich Aerd wrote:Because of the 20th century, why give human rights to the greatest human rights violators?

This earth will know no peace until the last communist hangs from the guts of the last banker

Um... okay, I don’t believe earth will see peace as long as Putin is in power

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Krich Aerd, Eldrado

Reunited Soviets wrote:Um... okay, I don’t believe earth will see peace as long as Putin is in power

America Is more of a warmonger than Russia

Creeperopolis

Krich Aerd wrote:Because of the 20th century, why give human rights to the greatest human rights violators?

This earth will know no peace until the last communist hangs from the guts of the last banker

Reunited Soviets wrote:Um... okay, I don’t believe earth will see peace as long as Putin is in power

Sadly, I think conflict is a natural part of the human condition. There will always be good and evil. A light side and a dark side. However, I do believe that we can make good stronger, making it easier to defeat and restrict the power of evil.

Creeperopolis

Q: What is everyone’s thoughts on American nation-wide cannabis legalization? For it, against it, and why?

Creeperopolis, Rivine, Eldrado, Corribon

Gagium wrote:Q: What is everyone’s thoughts on American nation-wide cannabis legalization? For it, against it, and why?

For it. The government should not regulate what people voluntarily consume.

The Royal Rcs, Creeperopolis, Gagium, Corribon

Libernovusamericae wrote:For it. The government should not regulate what people voluntarily consume.

I agree.

Creeperopolis, Gagium, Libernovusamericae, Corribon

Gagium wrote:Q: What is everyone’s thoughts on American nation-wide cannabis legalization? For it, against it, and why?

Canadian here, used to be for it but now against it after seeing the effects of legalization on my country. I'm still for medical marijuana though. I bought the notion that was touted by the public school system that legalizing weed wouldn't increase addiction, but it seems that it was wrong. Now the people who are in need of actual medical marijuana are facing shortages.

[spoiler]https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/demand-for-pot-will-be-much-higher-than-anyone-anticipated-after-legalization-says-report-commissioned-for-health-canada

https://globalnews.ca/news/4590376/medical-marijuana-shortage-hoarding/[/spoiler]

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado

I’m currently for medical legalization within the United States, even though I was against legalization period in the past, though I’m uncertain about national recreational legalization. I believe medical cannabis could be used for the better by medical professionals, while being good for cannabis investors like myself.

A ton of people already smoke weed even though it’s illegal, and stricter regulation despite a trend towards eventual legalization would cost the federal government and states money. On the other hand though, legalization of recreational usage could worsen the situation..

Creeperopolis, Libernovusamericae, Corribon

Weed is for degenerates

Creeperopolis, Viridus, Gagium

Rivine wrote:Canadian here, used to be for it but now against it after seeing the effects of legalization on my country. I'm still for medical marijuana though. I bought the notion that was touted by the public school system that legalizing weed wouldn't increase addiction, but it seems that it was wrong. Now the people who are in need of actual medical marijuana are facing shortages.

[spoiler]https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/demand-for-pot-will-be-much-higher-than-anyone-anticipated-after-legalization-says-report-commissioned-for-health-canada

https://globalnews.ca/news/4590376/medical-marijuana-shortage-hoarding/[/spoiler]

Weed is now more regulated, with stiffer penalties than when it was illegal.

Had to lol when that drooling idiot prime minister Kardashian said legalizing it would keep it away from kids.

Well done canuck dopers, well done. They voted for the government to control their dope lol

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Gagium wrote:Q: What is everyone’s thoughts on American nation-wide cannabis legalization? For it, against it, and why?

Alcohol, tobacco, and medication are all legal (but regulated due to the effects they have). Should probably be the same. It's hard to argue to prohibition on one while the others are legal.

That said, there does need to be some method of determining impairment as it relates to driving and such.

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