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Furbish Islands wrote:Campaign tip

#2

Make promises to outdo the other candidates even if you know you can't keep them so people will vote for you, then blame other factors for why they aren't completed when you win. The unfortunate reality is that most voters are not very informed, or simply don't care.

Or just roast your opponents and ruin their name, that seems to be the most common method.

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Hodelia

Markev wrote:American Glory was talking like a racist nazi, I asked him to stop, he got reported by someone and mods gave him a vacation, and now he's sending bitter telegrams.

Racist Nazi, huh...? Interesting

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Confederate Farmers wrote:Being destroyed was too much I’m lucky I didn’t get destroyed in a simpler debate over this subject . Bye I’m disappointed over the region who probably ratted on him and the moderators . Moveing to a different region bye

Is this sarcasm, or are you rage quitting because you lost a debate? Either way I’m inclined to say good riddance, this is what the 10th time?

Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Mietkael, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Not gunna lie was a bit unhappy with last night, idk this region just didn`t feel connected at all, I like it here but last night was a bit messed up, lol to top it all off I was then spammed with messages by someone here for using the term "people of color".

Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Confederate Farmers wrote:Being destroyed was too much I’m lucky I didn’t get destroyed in a simpler debate over this subject . Bye I’m disappointed over the region who probably ratted on him and the moderators . Moveing to a different region bye

How about don't use the N-word and other racial slurs and you'll be fine?

Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Gagium, Mietkael, Paleoconservative Citizens

Gagium wrote:Racist Nazi, huh...? Interesting

I know you didn't read his posts but he was using a variety of racial slurs, as the moderators confirmed. I think FCN is better off without that stuff.

Confederate Farmers, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Hodelia wrote:Not gunna lie was a bit unhappy with last night, idk this region just didn`t feel connected at all, I like it here but last night was a bit messed up, lol to top it all off I was then spammed with messages by someone here for using the term "people of color".

Yes, the person who joined was clearly a troll or something...He said that racist slurs were fine to use and not against the rules. Haha

There’s a block feature though that you can use in the future

Confederate Farmers, New Waldensia, Viridus, Mietkael, Hodelia

Markev wrote:I know you didn't read his posts but he was using a variety of racial slurs, as the moderators confirmed. I think FCN is better off without that stuff.

I’m not contesting the racist part, but that doesn’t make him a nazi at all

Viridus, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Gagium wrote:I’m not contesting the racist part, but that doesn’t make him a nazi at all

Hey I might be wrong but usually right-wing racists are nazis and stuff so it's just a safe bet

Gagium

Markev wrote:Hey I might be wrong but usually right-wing racists are nazis and stuff

On the contrary, most of them if not all are either “third-positionist” fascists (Hardly right wing) or simply not national socialist or anything close...

New Waldensia, Viridus, Hodelia

Gagium wrote:On the contrary, most of them if not all are either “third-positionist” fascists (Hardly right wing) or simply not national socialist or anything close...

"Third positionist" sounds like a made-up term by them to be special.

Fascism is a right-wing ideology...

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Gagium

Markev wrote:"Third positionist" sounds like a made-up term by them to be special.

Fascism is a right-wing ideology...

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

It is.

Wikipedia can call it rIgHt all they want, they certainly aren’t though..Because they’re wrong!

Ah, let’s not debate this, how about...Uhm...Area 51 raid today, who went?

Viridus, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Gagium wrote:It is.

Wikipedia can call it rIgHt all they want, they certainly aren’t though..Because they’re wrong!

Ah, let’s not debate this, how about...Uhm...Area 51 raid today, who went?

I went but the aliens picked me up outside and took me home. Said it was too dangerous.

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

>install universal healthcare

>become relabeled as a "corrupt dictatorship"

oops?

Confederate Farmers, Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley, Hodelia

Gagium wrote:Yes, the person who joined was clearly a troll or something...He said that racist slurs were fine to use and not against the rules. Haha

There’s a block feature though that you can use in the future

Yeah he definitely was just a very toxic person,I think I was more mad I got dragged into it and kinda feel like I started it just by trying to start a debate on here.

Yeah lol I know, honestly at that point I really didn`t care tbh

Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Gagium

Markev wrote:I went but the aliens picked me up outside and took me home. Said it was too dangerous.

Oof

Viridus, Gagium

Markev wrote:I went but the aliens picked me up outside and took me home. Said it was too dangerous.

Nice, I broke in and recovered government secrets and an alien gf

Sent from my iPhone 2

Viridus

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Numenar wrote:I love that show

there you are

Viridus, Gagium

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Granluras wrote:there you are

Here I am!

Viridus, Gagium

Numenar wrote:Here I am!

yes, bnha fan

Viridus, Gagium

What did I miss?

Viridus, Gagium

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Gagium wrote:God 36 rmb posts, is discord a literal joke to you all?

How about 176 new posts?

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, Libervalley

Markev wrote:*leaves cookies for mods*

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:*and some milk*

Mods = FCN Santa Claus

Furbish Islands, Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

New Waldensia wrote:Mods = FCN Santa Claus

Yes, because they’re either fat or they don’t exist!

Mods I’m sorry is a joke

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

I would talk in the Discord but im not a citizen yet sooooo

Confederate Farmers, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power

Gagium wrote:Is this sarcasm, or are you rage quitting because you lost a debate? Either way I’m inclined to say good riddance, this is what the 10th time?

I didn’t lose any debate . Im staying because one ☝️ nationstates asked me not to leave. Or else I would leave to a region with a embassy just for the polling of presidential elections

Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Mietkael, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Confederate Farmers wrote:I didn’t lose any debate . Im staying because one ☝️ nationstates asked me not to leave. Or else I would leave to a region with a embassy just for the polling of presidential elections

Okay, please note that the region doesn’t decide mod punishments though

New Waldensia, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Mietkael, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Gagium wrote:Okay, please note that the region doesn’t decide mod punishments though

All right fair enough. And maybe you should stop 🛑 likening every single post including when it will appear that the mod is punishing

Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Mietkael, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Confederate Farmers wrote:All right fair enough. And maybe you should stop 🛑 likening every single post including when it will appear that the mod is punishing

That’s illegal though

Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

It's real [REDACTED] hours

Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Confederate Farmers wrote:All right fair enough. And maybe you should stop 🛑 likening every single post including when it will appear that the mod is punishing

We should all like it when a troll gets the ban hammer

Viridus, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Paleoconservative Citizens

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hi (sorry for my bad english)

Furbish Islands, Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Xabieria wrote:hi (sorry for my bad english)

No problem, whats up

Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Dragons Of Power

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wahs me wip, wash me nai nai

Viridus, Gagium

bro why cant i endorse Numenar

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

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Furbish Islands wrote:He's not in the WA

Who's the "stoopie" now

Me and you 😘

Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Furbish Islands wrote:Also Gagium discord is blocked in my school's WiFi

Just get on the admin wifi

Granluras

Furbish Islands wrote:Also Gagium discord is blocked in my school's WiFi

Download so much porn that the wifi goes down

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Granluras

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:Download so much porn that the wifi goes down

My school’s internet was destroyed today, someone probably did that..

Opened my hot spot during study hall with the name “yell penis for pass”, but nobody did it :(

Liberated American Provinces, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Dragons Of Power, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Hodelia

Gagium wrote:My school’s internet was destroyed today, someone probably did that..

Opened my hot spot during study hall with the name “yell penis for pass”, but nobody did it :(

I applaud you for your maturity Gagium.

Furbish Islands, New Waldensia, Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium

Hodelia wrote:I applaud you for your maturity Gagium.

Thank you, kind gentleman! *salutes*

Viridus, Hodelia

Wait wtf happened. There was a mod incident?

Confederate Farmers, Gagium, Dragons Of Power, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Granluras wrote:Wait wtf happened. There was a mod incident?

Racial slurs

Gagium, Thixianist People

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Racial slurs

Gamer moment

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Thixianist People

I bet 11 people went to the Area 51 raid and then looked around awkwardly and then left

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Thixianist People, Hodelia

Hey does Minecraft PE have bees yet

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Thixianist People, Hodelia

Wait so does it not matter who wins in these voting things?

Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens, Thixianist People

Hodelia, I don't know why but every time I see your flag I think it's mine at a quick glance.

Gagium, Thixianist People, Hodelia

Hodelia wrote:Wait so does it not matter who wins in these voting things?

It's just for fun

Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Granluras wrote:bro why cant i endorse Numenar

if I joined the WA could I be the regional delegate?

Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Numenar wrote:if I joined the WA could I be the regional delegate?

Maybe. Join discord.

Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Hodelia, I don't know why but every time I see your flag I think it's mine at a quick glance.

Lol I can understand that, the colors are very similar

Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

https://youtu.be/jXYN_M2RDLQ

Gagium

Numenar wrote:if I joined the WA could I be the regional delegate?

Well yes, but actually no

Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Well Trump just lost the election. Moron authorized that troops be deployed to Saudi Arabia and UAE.

Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Hodelia

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Well Trump just lost the election. Moron authorized that troops be deployed to Saudi Arabia and UAE.

E

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Hodelia

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Well Trump just lost the election. Moron authorized that troops be deployed to Saudi Arabia and UAE.

So stupid, honestly the possibility is there he is hoping that if theres a war the public will more likely stick with him and avoid change.

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:Well Trump just lost the election. Moron authorized that troops be deployed to Saudi Arabia and UAE.

The ironic thought not too long ago as in it was a matter of days we allmost negoated with the tailiban at camp David for a peace summit .

If he really wants a war it should be with old such as The Taliban and not new enemies like Iran 🇮🇷 and Assad

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Confederate Farmers wrote:The ironic thought not too long ago as in it was a matter of days we allmost negoated with the tailiban at camp David for a peace summit .

If he really once a war it should be with new enemies not old such as the tailban

I don’t think this is about the Taliban now, it’s this whole thing with Iran

Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Gagium

Hodelia wrote:So stupid, honestly the possibility is there he is hoping that if theres a war the public will more likely stick with him and avoid change.

If that's what he's hoping for, he has a serious misunderstanding of Americans' current opinion on war

Confederate Farmers wrote:The ironic thought not too long ago as in it was a matter of days we allmost negoated with the tailiban at camp David for a peace summit .

If he really once a war it should be with new enemies not old such as the tailban

How about no war? :)

Confederate Farmers, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Liberated American Provinces wrote:If that's what he's hoping for, he has a serious misunderstanding of Americans' current opinion on war How about no war? :)

Agreed, I really can not thing of what else hes hoping for, maybe he wants us to keep on the edge of a conflict to spin it that he is holding us back from such an event? A war with Iran wouldnt sell at all with the general public. I cant even imagine how even a experienced propagandist would go about making such an event sound worthwhile.

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:If that's what he's hoping for, he has a serious misunderstanding of Americans' current opinion on war How about no war? :)

Thats what we all want Well I want the taliban to surrender ,but they don’t we are here to fight for democracy not imperialism . They attacked America just like the Japanese war machine did at peril harbor .

Viridus, Gagium, Hodelia

Confederate Farmers wrote:

If he really once a war it should be with new enemies not old such as the tailban

lol what a bizarre thing to say

Gagium

Trump: deploys troops into the Middle East

Every able-bodied kid older than 18: Welp, time to break my leg

Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Confederate Farmers wrote:Thats what we all want know don’t we. Well I want the taliban to surrender ,but they don’t we are here to fight for democracy not imperialism . They attacked America just like the Japanese war machine did at peril harbor .

Like I said before man this isn’t the Taliban we are talking about. We are specifically sending them because of that incident in Saudi Arabia. If it were the Taliban we would deploy more in Afghanistan

Liberated American Provinces, Confederate Farmers, Gagium

Hodelia wrote:Like I said before man this isn’t the Taliban we are talking about. We are specifically sending them because of that incident in Saudi Arabia. If it were the Taliban we would deploy more in Afghanistan

We should send more troops to fight in Afghanistan ,but we are not .

Gagium

Confederate Farmers wrote:Thats what we all want Well I want the taliban to surrender ,but they don’t we are here to fight for democracy not imperialism . They attacked America just like the Japanese war machine did at peril harbor .

Taliban is bad, but we shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place.

Gagium

My aunt almost in a got a fight 😎

Almurta, Confederate Farmers, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Granluras wrote:My aunt almost in a got a fight 😎

almost?

Confederate Farmers

Gagium wrote:almost?

Yos

Confederate Farmers, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Taliban is bad, but we shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place.

They attacked us + in afganstan we supplied them with weapons against the communist regime.

Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Confederate Farmers wrote:They attacked us + in afganstan we supplied them with weapons against the communist regime.

Correction: We attacked them for supposedly harboring Osama, destroying millions of Afghan lives in the process. But hey, freedom.

Liberated American Provinces, Confederate Farmers

I am first in the region for Health, Lifespan, Intelligence, HDI, Business Subsidization, and (unfortunately) Government Size

I am second in the region for Scientific advancement and Compliance

And I am in the top 10 for another 12 disciplines

LONG LIVE ELDRADO!!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!

(also, I am definitely running the FCN)

Confederate Farmers, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens, Hodelia

Eldrado wrote:I am first in the region for Health, Lifespan, Intelligence, HDI, Business Subsidization, and (unfortunately) Government Size

I am second in the region for Scientific advancement and Compliance

And I am in the top 10 for another 12 disciplines

LONG LIVE ELDRADO!!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!

(also, I am definitely running the FCN)

I'm 3rd in Agriculture Fite me

Confederate Farmers, Gagium, Eldrado

Confederate Farmers wrote:They attacked us + in afganstan we supplied them with weapons against the communist regime.

Did the Taliban attack the US or was it Al-Qaeda?

Either way the US is hemorrhaging blood and money in these pisspot wars. They need to end.

Confederate Farmers, Washingtonian Republic, Gagium, Eldrado, Ferlik

Otira wrote:Did the Taliban attack the US or was it Al-Qaeda?

Either way the US is hemorrhaging blood and money in these pisspot wars. They need to end.

Sorry al Qaeda twin towers yet nonetheless the tailband are allied with them . Just like the Germans where allies with the Japanese who bombed peril harbor

Gagium, Eldrado

Eldrado wrote:I am first in the region for Health, Lifespan, Intelligence, HDI, Business Subsidization, and (unfortunately) Government Size

I am second in the region for Scientific advancement and Compliance

And I am in the top 10 for another 12 disciplines

LONG LIVE ELDRADO!!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!

(also, I am definitely running the FCN)

Nice! So far I'm only #1 for tourist destination in the region. But I am in the top five for economy (3rd), population (2nd), cheerfulness (3rd), most compassionate (4th), most cultured (4th), highest economic output (3rd), most beautiful environment (3rd), healthiest citizens (3rd), most developed (2nd), largest tech information sector (4th), smartest citizens (3rd), average lifespan (3rd), niceness (3rd), most scientifically advanced (5th), and most efficient economies (3rd). And climbing, I think. Many of those are within tenths of going up a rank. And all while having a smaller government less than half the taxes ;)

Long live the Republic!

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium, Eldrado

Confederate Farmers wrote:Sorry al Qaeda twin towers yet nonetheless the tailband are allied with them . Just like the Germans did with the Japanese who bombed peril harbour

Pearl Harbor, my friend. Peril Harbor sounds like a horror video game.

Washingtonian Republic, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado

San Carlos Islands wrote:Correction: We attacked them for supposedly harboring Osama, destroying millions of Afghan lives in the process. But hey, freedom.

https://ctc.usma.edu/are-the-afghan-taliban-involved-in-international-terrorism-3/

Bin laden was there and his goons if the goverment wanted peace they would have handed him and these territory over willing . So please don’t blame America

Gagium

San Carlos Islands wrote:Correction: We attacked them for supposedly harboring Osama, destroying millions of Afghan lives in the process. But hey, freedom.

https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/al-qaeda

Gagium

Long time No see Eldrado! I that you got off nationstates

Gagium, Eldrado, Paleoconservative Citizens

Eldrado wrote:I am first in the region for Health, Lifespan, Intelligence, HDI, Business Subsidization, and (unfortunately) Government Size

I am second in the region for Scientific advancement and Compliance

And I am in the top 10 for another 12 disciplines

LONG LIVE ELDRADO!!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!

(also, I am definitely running the FCN)

Oh yeah, well you’re the last in the region for coolness!!

Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Eldrado, Paleoconservative Citizens

1335 messages wow

According to NS, I'm a theocracy...

Confederate Farmers, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Gagium wrote:Oh yeah, well you’re the last in the region for coolness!!

Yeah Gagium is first and I'm 10th uwu

Gagium

San Carlos Islands wrote:Correction: We attacked them for supposedly harboring Osama, destroying millions of Afghan lives in the process. But hey, freedom.

We should never have gone into Iraq to begin with, no use in doing so. Afghanistan, Pakistan should've been our main areas of focus during the war, not trying to export democracy, but killing the axis of evil that murdered nearly 3000 American souls. The United States needs to be focusing on space militarization and cyber warfare if it wants to retain superpower status into the mid twenty first century. Our alliances are the problem, especially the Europeans.

Otira wrote:Pearl Harbor, my friend. Peril Harbor sounds like a horror video game.

Billy Mitchell predicted the attack on Pearl Harbor after visiting Japan, but his warnings were dismissed by the War Department.

Confederate Farmers, New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium

Washingtonian Republic wrote:We should never have gone into Iraq to begin with, no use in doing so. Afghanistan, Pakistan should've been our main areas of focus during the war, not trying to export democracy, but killing the axis of evil that murdered nearly 3000 American souls.
I have a classmate from Afghanistan that is very pro-American interventionism, he always interesting to talk too.

Confederate Farmers, Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Ferlik

Confederate Farmers wrote:https://ctc.usma.edu/are-the-afghan-taliban-involved-in-international-terrorism-3/

Bin laden was there and his goons if the goverment wanted peace they would have handed him and these territory over willing . So please don’t blame America

1. And, the flaw with that article, outdated mind you, is that none of the "threats" were carried out as actual attacks, merely propaganda to scare the enemy.

2. First off, I said supposedly in my first post, proof of that is minimal and the Taliban denies it to this day. Even if it were true, Pakistan didn't hand him over when he was there, and they're apparently one of our allies.

Confederate Farmers wrote:https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/al-qaeda

3. Lol, Al Queda isn't the Taliban.

Washingtonian Republic wrote:We should never have gone into Iraq to begin with, no use in doing so. Afghanistan, Pakistan should've been our main areas of focus during the war, not trying to export democracy, but killing the axis of evil that murdered nearly 3000 American souls. The United States needs to be focusing on space militarization and cyber warfare if it wants to retain superpower status into the mid twenty first century. Our alliances are the problem, especially the Europeans.

4. The thing is that our response should of been proactive rather than reactivate. For example the Post 9/11 security fixes, reflecting on America's Middle East policy and support of Israel, and building the infrastructure to know when terror will happen before it strikes. Yes, Osama still should have been killed but not after destroying an entire region of the world first.

Finally, was avenging the 3000 lost in 9/11. really worth the 6000 dead service men and women, 50,000 more scared for life physically or mentally; hundreds of thousands innocent civilians killed; and the $5 trillion + we've washed down the toilet being over there?

No, it wasn't. Our response was dead wrong.

Gagium, Eldrado

San Carlos Islands wrote:1. And, the flaw with that article, outdated mind you, is that none of the "threats" were carried out as actual attacks, merely propaganda to scare the enemy.

2. First off, I said supposedly in my first post, proof of that is minimal and the Taliban denies it to this day. Even if it were true, Pakistan didn't hand him over when he was there, and they're apparently one of our allies.

3. Lol, Al Queda isn't the Taliban.

4. The thing is that our response should of been proactive rather than reactivate. For example the Post 9/11 security fixes, reflecting on America's Middle East policy and support of Israel, and building the infrastructure to know when terror will happen before it strikes. Yes, Osama still should have been killed but not after destroying an entire region of the world first.

Finally, was avenging the 3000 lost in 9/11. really worth the 6000 dead service men and women, 50,000 more scared for life physically or mentally; hundreds of thousands innocent civilians killed; and the $5 trillion + we've washed down the toilet being over there?

No, it wasn't. Our response was dead wrong.

Like going after the holocaust? Did you know in ww2 the average American didn’t even know the Holocaust existed and FDR was a anti Semite .

As for Pakistan they are a Allie and nonetheless a Allie ,just not a very good Allie . Pakistan government does support us that doesn’t mean there aren’t people in the network of their government that could pass at least some top secret info at least involving Osama bin Laden . loose lips might sink ships

2 America was defending intelf against aggression from Al-Qaeda and other terriost networks.

3 even before 911 these terrier where attacking America and her allies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks if we didn’t stop these terriost from around the globe these attacks would continue

Non-state allies of the Taliban

Flag of Jihad.svg Haqqani network

Flag of Jihad.svg al-Qaeda

Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi

Flag of Caucasian Emirate.svg Caucasus Emirate

Hezbi Islami.svg Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin[32] (until 2016)[33]

AQMI Flag asymmetric.svg Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (anti-ISIL faction)[34][35]

4 on casualties homes.[59][60][61][62][63][64] According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 76% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, 80% in 2011, and 80% in 2012.[65][66][67][68][69][70] Taliban has also engaged in cultural genocide, destroying numerous monuments including the famous 1500-year old Buddhas of Bamiyan

5 2001

On 20 September 2001, US president George W. Bush, speaking to a joint session of Congress, tentatively blamed Al-Qaeda for the 11 September attacks, stating that the "leadership of Al Qaeda ha[d] great influence in Afghanistan and support[ed] the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country". Bush said, "We condemn the Taliban regime", and went on to state, "Tonight the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban", which he said were "not open to negotiation or discussion":[176][177]

This is why war began with the Taliban

Deliver to the US all of the leaders of Al-Qaeda

Release all foreign nationals that have been unjustly imprisoned

Protect foreign journalists, diplomats, and aid workers

Close immediately every terrorist training camp

Hand over every terrorist and their supporters to appropriate authorities

Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps for inspection

The US petitioned the international community to back a military campaign to overthrow the Taliban. The UN issued two resolutions on terrorism after the 11 September attacks. The resolutions called on all states to "[increase] cooperation and full implementation of the relevant international conventions relating to terrorism" and specified consensus recommendations for all countries.[178][179] According to a research briefing by the House of Commons Library, although the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) did not authorize the U.S.-led military campaign, it was "widely (although not universally) perceived to be a legitimate form of self-defense under the UN Charter" , and the council "moved quickly to authorize a military operation to stabilize the country" in the wake of the invasion.[180] Moreover, on 12 September 2001, NATO approved a campaign against Afghanistan as self-defense against armed attack.[181]

The Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salem Zaeef, responded to the ultimatum by demanding "convincing evidence" that Bin Laden was involved in the attacks, stating "our position is that if America has evidence and proof, they should produce it". Additionally, the Taliban insisted that any trial of Bin Laden be held in an Afghan court. Zaeef also claimed that "4,000 Jews working in the Trade Center had prior knowledge of the suicide missions, and 'were absent on that day'." This response was generally dismissed as a delaying tactic, rather than a sincere attempt to cooperate with the ultimatum.[182][183][184][185][186][187]

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium, Eldrado, Hodelia

Gagium wrote:Oh yeah, well you’re the last in the region for coolness!!

At least I didn’t knowingly call my country Gagium

Confederate Farmers wrote:Long time No see Eldrado! I that you got off nationstates

I’ve been here man... guess we haven’t spoken for a while

Confederate Farmers, Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Confederate Farmers wrote:Like going after the Holocaust? Did you know in World War 2 the average American didn’t even know the Holocaust existed and FDR was a anti-semite.

As for Pakistan they are a ally and nonetheless a ally, just not a very good ally. Pakistan's government does support us, that doesn’t mean there aren’t people in the network of their government that could pass at least some top secret info at least involving Osama bin Laden. "Loose lips might sink ships".

2. America was defending itself against aggression from Al-Qaeda and other terrorist networks.

3. Even before 9/11 these terrorists where attacking America and her allies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks (Don't cite Wikipedia). If we didn’t stop these terrorists from around the globe these attacks would continue.

Non-state allies of the Taliban

Flag of Jihad.svg Haqqani network

Flag of Jihad.svg al-Qaeda

Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi

Flag of Caucasian Emirate.svg Caucasus Emirate

Hezbi Islami.svg Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin[32] (until 2016)[33]

AQMI Flag asymmetric.svg Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (anti-ISIL faction)[34][35]

4. On casualties homes. [59][60][61][62][63][64] According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 76% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, 80% in 2011, and 80% in 2012.[65][66][67][68][69][70] Taliban has also engaged in cultural genocide, destroying numerous monuments including the famous 1500-year old Buddhas of Bamiyan. (Don't cite Wikipedia).

How does the Holocaust have to do with this? Nice red herring.

You're wrong, Pakistan's Defense Minister as well as its civilian military oversight committee knew he has living within their borders yet did nothing about it. It wasn't top secret, it wasn't some conspiracy about terrorist infiltration in their government; they basically let him live there without trying to find him and turn the guy into the hands of the U.S.

Yes, defending ourselves against "Al-Qaeda" which I still don't necessarily agree with as I've stated America's response should have been proactive not reactive. Nonetheless you're still trying to equate the Taliban to Al-Qaeda which is simply false. Mind you the topic is over the Taliban.

Back to proactive V.S. reactive argument. It was stupid to level entire nations to fight terrorism, arguably making the problem worse. We should of rather only done more to prevent terrorism, especially by reconsidering our imperialist foreign policy and reflecting on our support of Israel.

Your last point is dead wrong. My number is the amount of civilians killed at the hands of American soldiers, not the Taliban. And that's on top of all of the incidents of rape, assault, and other atrocities our servicemen have committed against the people in countries we're intervening in.

Gagium, Eldrado, Hodelia

Confederate Farmers wrote:(snip)

Because you added more...

1. Don't cite Wikipedia.

2. Do you really trust George Bush? His administration's Middle East track record was very shaky and categorized by lies.

3. Like I said, the claims that the Taliban harbored Osama are ultimately unproved and the group still denies the claim today. Furthermore, as I said in my last post, he spent most his time in Pakistan and not with the Taliban, which at the end of the day was a group totally unaffiliated with Al-Qaeda. That's all undisputed at this point, turn to what the Paki Minister of Defense said as well as the New Paki PM who confirmed a lot of this recently as well.

Washingtonian Republic, Gagium, Eldrado

San Carlos Islands wrote:Because you added more...

1. Don't cite Wikipedia.

2. Do you really trust George Bush? His administration's Middle East track record was very shaky and categorized by lies.

3. Like I said, the claims that the Taliban harbored Osama are ultimately unproved and the group still denies the claim today. Furthermore, as I said in my last post, he spent most his time in Pakistan and not with the Taliban, which at the end of the day was a group totally unaffiliated with Al-Qaeda. That's all undisputed at this point, turn to what the Paki Minister of Defense said as well as the New Paki PM who confirmed a lot of this recently as well.

1 I feel indifferent to bush mostly

2 The tailiban are at a alliance with al-Qaeda and we did just in defending our nation against future aggression. In the American civil war we went to war over fort Sumter and not a single life was lost in that battle.

3 I can tell you are A libertarian or a palo conservative,but this is Beyond if not far beyond Ron Paul Retoric . This is unpatriotic to a deegree

4 I think the American people should remember our history books in Vietnam We withdrew during before and after the peace negotiations. I hope we will have learned our lesson in the Great War Against Terriost.

5 I serve my country America against any enemy who whishes to be the aggressive one ☝️. During the civil war anyway Davis thought the north would peacefully backdown

6 The 🇵🇰 Pakistan government agian isn’t a good Allie yet it’s troops are to destroy terroriost. Ben Ladin at that time was in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 and did make it to the Pakistan 🇵🇰 border

7 Pakistan 🇵🇰 isn’t a freind of the terriost they are still a Allie and Obama our first black presdent would not have had the spine for such a military misadventures u probably consider imperialism.

Im not saying we should invade Iran 🇮🇷.

As for Iraq 🇮🇶 we should have taken him out even before the Terriost networks attacked the United States 🇺🇸.

8 I tell u what I’ll doo I’m make sure to do more research later

Gagium, Eldrado

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