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Gagium wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=473671 Reminder that the thread is open to anyone who apped..Let's make RP great again

Can you update the OP with a list of what factions are taken?

And shouldn't the Chinese map be more broken up due to warlords and factions?

https://i.redd.it/harqerse6re11.png

Tesyky, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

I probably should of asked this earlier oops, but anyway I'm VERY new to this RP thing so is there anything I should know? Tips and all that?

Ulrech, Tesyky, Gagium

Gagium wrote:Marxist Memorial

I may be a joke to Ulrech, but everything's a joke to me.

#communistclownworld

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Marxist Memorial wrote:I may be a joke to Ulrech, but everything's a joke to me.

#communistclownworld

🤡

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Emerisis wrote:I probably should of asked this earlier oops, but anyway I'm VERY new to this RP thing so is there anything I should know? Tips and all that?

Ok, your standard rp post starts with the date, and then goes on to describe what is happening/happened, this can be done from lots of perspectives or point of views. Its also normal to put some space between posts, eg: not 2 right after the other and to add some time on from the last EG: if the last post was on the 12th put it on the 15th. If you need anymore help i suggest looking at how others format there posts or ask Gagium who is running this rp

Ulrech, Viridus, Gagium, Emerisis

Fluvannia wrote:That was a year ago lol

Yeah, back in July iirc

Gagium

Otira wrote:Can you update the OP with a list of what factions are taken?

And shouldn't the Chinese map be more broken up due to warlords and factions?

https://i.redd.it/harqerse6re11.png

It was but after he claimed china he gained the land

Gagium, Sergioso

Since nobody has claimed the UK in this new rp, I have claimed it also isn't Mongolia Russia's puppet?

Tesyky, Gagium

Otira wrote:Can you update the OP with a list of what factions are taken?

And shouldn't the Chinese map be more broken up due to warlords and factions?

https://i.redd.it/harqerse6re11.png

Also, in this scenario, Yuan Shi-Kai and Chiang Kai-shek both live and have a dual monarchy, which means there were no warlords because without Yuan Shi-Kai splitting from the KMT, then there wouldn't have been a warlord issue.

Gagium

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Sergioso wrote:Also, in this scenario, Yuan Shi-Kai and Chiang Kai-shek both live and have a dual monarchy, which means there were no warlords because without Yuan Shi-Kai splitting from the KMT, then there wouldn't have been a warlord issue.

What do you mean exactly? Yuan still revived the monarchy but Chiang became co-emperor? Or Yuan compromised on moving the national capital to Nanjing and didn't push for Beijing? The groundwork for the warlords predated Yuan Shi-Kai. Are you saying Yuan shifted focus from his Beiyang Army to a national army under Chiang and the KMT?

Tesyky, Gagium, Sergioso

>no major socialist or communist states in this 1936 timeline

So how can I play the villain?

Tesyky, Gagium

Markev wrote:>no major socialist or communist states in this 1936 timeline

So how can I play the villain?

The Soviet union

But if you want to play one i guess you can make one

Gagium

Tesyky wrote:The Soviet union

But if you want to play one i guess you can make one

From what I saw it was a Russian Republic where the Whites won.

Tesyky, Gagium

Furbish Islands wrote:Roleplay Nation (Can be RL 1936 nation or a fictional one - Cannot be too unrealistic though!): Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

Lands claimed: The USSR's IRL territory at the time

Population: ~200 million

Form of Government: One party communist state

Head of State: Leon Trotsky

Head of Government: Leon Trotsky

Military Size (Preferably a realistic number or semi-accurate size of RL nation you're roleplaying as - 2-3% of population at most, unless approved otherwise): 2 million in all branches(army, air force, navy)

Military Equipment: USSR equipment from time period

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional):

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.): Communism

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc. Developing

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941) ~2400

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Doesn't look like the whites won

Viridus, Gagium

Otira wrote:What do you mean exactly? Yuan still revived the monarchy but Chiang became co-emperor? Or Yuan compromised on moving the national capital to Nanjing and didn't push for Beijing? The groundwork for the warlords predated Yuan Shi-Kai. Are you saying Yuan shifted focus from his Beiyang Army to a national army under Chiang and the KMT?

I am saying that both sides reached a compromise and became more powerful and unified than ever, and the capital is Nanking. They would have suppressed the warlords much earlier and finished up the Northern Expedition by the mid 20's.

By the way, the warlord era ended in 1928, so there is still no problem. China was reunified by 1930.

Tesyky, Gagium

Also your nation doesn’t have to follow real history it just can’t be overly unrealistic...I’m actually surprised that most people are doing historically accurate nations

New Waldensia, Tesyky, Gagium, Sergioso

Ulrech wrote:Also your nation doesn’t have to follow real history it just can’t be overly unrealistic...I’m actually surprised that most people are doing historically accurate nations

I know! I am very proud of my Chinese nationalist heritage, so I want to preserve it, even if it is just in an RP.

Tesyky, Gagium

Tesyky wrote:Doesn't look like the whites won

I guess he changed it? When I searched the forums for Russian it brought up this

https://imgur.com/a/UyTq4Kw

Tesyky, Gagium

Markev wrote:I guess he changed it? When I searched the forums for Russian it brought up this

https://imgur.com/a/UyTq4Kw

He must of then, but yeah if you want to go communist why not go for a communist Yugoslavia?

Gagium

Sergioso wrote:I am saying that both sides reached a compromise and became more powerful and unified than ever, and the capital is Nanking. They would have suppressed the warlords much earlier and finished up the Northern Expedition by the mid 20's.

By the way, the warlord era ended in 1928, so there is still no problem. China was reunified by 1930.

Fair enough, though "reunified" is rather generous given all the continuing factionalism and in-fighting. What was the compromise? Both men were big personalities.

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

The people voting against the FCN map be like :(

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

Gagium wrote:The people voting against the FCN map be like :(

more RPs is a good thing

Gagium

Otira wrote:Fair enough, though "reunified" is rather generous given all the continuing factionalism and in-fighting. What was the compromise? Both men were big personalities.

The compromise was the governmental powers being handed over to Chiang with Yuan as the emperor and keeping the imperial title and privileges. Also, the Beiyang army will be merged into the NRA with their officers still commanding the "Beiyang Corps"

Gagium

Sergioso wrote:The compromise was the governmental powers being handed over to Chiang with Yuan as the emperor and keeping the imperial title and privileges. Also, the Beiyang army will be merged into the NRA with their officers still commanding the "Beiyang Corps"

Truly alternate history ;p

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

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Defiance 1936 - RP application

Roleplay Nation (Can be RL 1936 nation or a fictional one - Cannot be too unrealistic though!): State of Iran

Lands claimed: Iran's 1936 territory

Population: 13.72 million

Form of Government: Presidential Republic

Head of State: President Abbas Aryanpour

Head of Government: President Abbas Aryanpour

Military Size (Preferably a realistic number or semi-accurate size of RL nation you're roleplaying as - 2-3% of population at most, unless approved otherwise): 411,600 140,000

Military Equipment: Iran's military equipment at the time

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional): General Reza Tehrani, General Abdollah Khan, General Daryoush Shirazi

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.): Mixed

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc. Developing

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941 - These are in 2019 dollars) ~ $3,000

[spoiler=Ping]Furbish Islands

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Btw, how serious will the FCN map RP be? I am asking because I would like to use my actual Ghostly Goldwater nation in the FCN map RP but my nation is not a serious nation.

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth

Gagium wrote:🤡

We live in a capitalist society.

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Viridus wrote:Yeah, back in July iirc

August 2018

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Marxist Memorial wrote:We live in a capitalist society.

We live in a society

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Wait are we putting our Rp apps here?

Ulrech, Tesyky, Viridus, Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Eldrado wrote:Wait are we putting our Rp apps here?

Yeah looks like it, and you can telegram them as well, as i found out

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Tesyky wrote:Yeah looks like it, and you can telegram them as well, as i found out

Damn gotta hop on this

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Eldrado wrote:Damn gotta hop on this

What nation you going to go for?

Gagium, Eldrado, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Hello everyone, I'm back online! Just checked all my notifications and figured I'd join the discussion.

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Eldrado wrote:Wait are we putting our Rp apps here?

I put mine on here last night :) as well as many other nations. I was going to telegram mine in but others were doing it on here and being excepted and telegraming was taking too long so I figured I'd put mine on here and be on the record. But telegraming is definitely an option.

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Gagium wrote:🤡

🤡🌎

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Defiance 1936 - RP application

Roleplay Nation: French Commune

Lands claimed: all lands under French control or protection in 1936

Population: 110 million

Form of Government: Socialist one-party state

Head of State: Léon Blum

Head of Government: Maurice Thorez

Military Size: Army of 900k regulars and 5 million reservists, Air Force of 110k personnel and 2900 aircraft, and Navy of 160k personnel

Military Equipment: French equipment of 1936, with a slight edge in quality and newer equipment due to an emphasis on "defending the revolution" from foreign states. More new, lighter tanks. More modern monoplanes. And a naval doctrine switch away from battleships and towards carriers (4 built, 3 under construction)

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional):

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.): State-directed

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc. Developed

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941 - These are in 2019 dollars) $7.714

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Furbish Islands wrote:No one really thought of replacing battleships with carriers until after WWII

The carrier Bearn was converted from an incomplete battleship as an experiment. In this timeline, the flexibility of the Bearn and the presence of a different government convinced the powers that be to expand the experiment. It helped that at the time it was a less expensive option.

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

When is the rp going to start officially?

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Markev wrote:The carrier Bearn was converted from an incomplete battleship as an experiment. In this timeline, the flexibility of the Bearn and the presence of a different government convinced the powers that be to expand the experiment. It helped that at the time it was a less expensive option.

If you were able to do this than I wish I had been able to as well...maybe by spying on you? Hey Gagium, can I add that to my nations app/information?

Gagium, Polish Prussian Commonwealth, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Markev wrote:Defiance 1936 - RP application

Roleplay Nation: French Commune

Lands claimed: all lands under French control or protection in 1936

Population: 110 million

Form of Government: Socialist one-party state

Head of State: Léon Blum

Head of Government: Maurice Thorez

Military Size: Army of 900k regulars and 5 million reservists, Air Force of 110k personnel and 2900 aircraft, and Navy of 160k personnel

Military Equipment: French equipment of 1936, with a slight edge in quality and newer equipment due to an emphasis on "defending the revolution" from foreign states. More new, lighter tanks. More modern monoplanes. And a naval doctrine switch away from battleships and towards carriers (4 built, 3 under construction)

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional):

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.): State-directed

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc. Developed

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941 - These are in 2019 dollars) $7.714

[spoiler=Ping]Furbish Islands

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Yes another comrade!!

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Kleveria wrote:If you were able to do this than I wish I had been able to as well...maybe by spying on you? Hey Gagium, can I add that to my nations app/information?

I don't think you'd need spies. Giant warships aren't easy to hide.

If the Confederate States exist and are racist and money-grubbing you should make your United States lean towards socialism.

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Kleveria

Ulrech wrote:Yes another comrade!!

OH NO! We got communists and also we have hitlers germany in here, things are getting heated up before they even begin!

Hitler's germany logged on last night, not saying any of you are that.

BTW this is going to make things very interesting, I love good stories, and they need conflict.

Ulrech, Gagium, The Legion Of Mankind, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Markev wrote:I don't think you'd need spies. Giant warships aren't easy to hide.

If the Confederate States exist and are racist and money-grubbing you should make your United States lean towards socialism.

The confederate states are actually no longer racist...eventually after they gained their independence they left slavery behind them. And also btw I personally think capitalism is the best government system for everyone. I'm not sure how many social programs U.S had at the time, though I know they did create quite a few during the great depression. But the U.S. was still technically capitalist, though now maybe it's a capitalist system with lots of social programs so more mixed? But eventhough they did have some to cope wth the great depression they were mainly capitalist and Imma stick with that.

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Markev wrote:I don't think you'd need spies. Giant warships aren't easy to hide.

If the Confederate States exist and are racist and money-grubbing you should make your United States lean towards socialism.

Thank you for alowing me to steal your warship ideas :) now we just have to wait for Gaigum to approve u and approve me using the ideas...

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Kleveria wrote:The confederate states are actually no longer racist...eventually after they gained their independence they left slavery behind them. And also btw I personally think capitalism is the best government system for everyone. I'm not sure how many social programs U.S had at the time, though I know they did create quite a few during the great depression. But the U.S. was still technically capitalist, though now maybe it's a capitalist system with lots of social programs so more mixed? But eventhough they did have some to cope wth the great depression they were mainly capitalist and Imma stick with that.

Freeing slaves doesn't make them not racist. Besides, the Constitution of the Confederate States was against ending slavery:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

And with the conservatives of the Southern states gone, the Progressive Northern states would rightfully drift closer to Socialism.

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Also BTW Gagium, (and I know you're here because you're liking all posts), can I add to my countries rp info? and if I do do I create a dispatch, factbook, or just TG you the new info or more detaled info?

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Markev wrote:Freeing slaves doesn't make them not racist. Besides, the Constitution of the Confederate States was against ending slavery:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

And with the conservatives of the Southern states gone, the Progressive Northern states would rightfully drift closer to Socialism.

I know, but things change. And this whole thing is going to be an alternate playing out of history. And hey, they were excepted and that is their history. If you have a problem with that talk to them. To your second point that is interesting, of course though the northern coastal cities have always been more progressive, everyone back then was more conservative than they are today. The main issue of the time was slavery though, and the progressives that developed were most focused on abolishing that and establishing a women's right to vote. Also the issue of labor unions developed a little later. And btw labor unions are totally exceptable in a capitalist society and perhaps even neccesary. They can actually prevent the government from getting involved by keeping the negotiations between buisnesses and workers. But this is not an idealogical debate, my country has applied as a capitalist country and if you think it needs a historical reason why perhaps I'll think of one, but this is the way it's staying. Yours can be a communist country and mine a capitalist, we'll probably fight eachother at some point in the rp because of that, or perhaps not if your country wants peace and to leave us alone. :) We'll just see. Anyways that's my 2 cents. No hard feelings, right? (This is just an rp and it's not like I'm claiming some unfair advantage or being indistructable)

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Markev wrote:Defiance 1936 - RP application

Roleplay Nation: French Commune

Lands claimed: all lands under French control or protection in 1936

Population: 110 million

Form of Government: Socialist one-party state

Head of State: Léon Blum

Head of Government: Maurice Thorez

Military Size: Army of 900k regulars and 5 million reservists, Air Force of 110k personnel and 2900 aircraft, and Navy of 160k personnel

Military Equipment: French equipment of 1936, with a slight edge in quality and newer equipment due to an emphasis on "defending the revolution" from foreign states. More new, lighter tanks. More modern monoplanes. And a naval doctrine switch away from battleships and towards carriers (4 built, 3 under construction)

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional):

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.): State-directed

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc. Developed

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941 - These are in 2019 dollars) $7.714

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Accepted

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Kleveria wrote:The confederate states are actually no longer racist...eventually after they gained their independence they left slavery behind them. And also btw I personally think capitalism is the best government system for everyone. I'm not sure how many social programs U.S had at the time, though I know they did create quite a few during the great depression. But the U.S. was still technically capitalist, though now maybe it's a capitalist system with lots of social programs so more mixed? But eventhough they did have some to cope wth the great depression they were mainly capitalist and Imma stick with that.

SCI? RPing as the CSA? It’s totally racist

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Gagium wrote:SCI? RPing as the CSA? It’s totally racist

OK FINE, maybe they are still racist and they've just left slavery behind them for the sake of not being hated by the international community IDK, you'll have to bring that up with them. My point is just because they're capitalist and maybe racist doesn't mean I have to be socialist. And really even if a country isn't racist some people in it could be. And if a country is racist that doesn't mean all people in it are racist. What even constitutes a racist country? Is it if the mojority of people are racist or if their policies are racist? And what even is a racist policy? I mean slavery is an obvious one but what else? And what if the slavery wasn't contingent on race but some other factor and people of all colors were being enslaved? Would that still be racist? Or what if white people? Would that? Or what if people of a certain religion were enslaved? What about that? All these things are morally wrong, but would they be racist policies? But even if they are racist, being racist and your economic system are not connected, there is nothing to connect them.

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Kleveria wrote: - snip -

I'm not suggesting that you turn the US into a one-state socialist republic. Instead, with the Confederate states pulling millions of conservatives out of the Union you have a two party state where the Democrats are the center-right and you have a Socialist Party that is center-left. There's still capitalism, because the US political system doesn't allow for complete overhauls of the government and economy that can sweep away free enterprise, but the Socialist party advocates more labor rights and public works. So FDR turned up to 11.

It's your nation to do with as you please, but doing the same old without accounting for the absence of 16 states seems boring.

Also why do the Confederate States have Missouri, Kentucky, Arizona, New Mexico and West Virginia? They were run out of those places within a year of the American Civil War starting.

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Markev wrote:I'm not suggesting that you turn the US into a one-state socialist republic. Instead, with the Confederate states pulling millions of conservatives out of the Union you have a two party state where the Democrats are the center-right and you have a Socialist Party that is center-left. There's still capitalism, because the US political system doesn't allow for complete overhauls of the government and economy that can sweep away free enterprise, but the Socialist party advocates more labor rights and public works. So FDR turned up to 11.

It's your nation to do with as you please, but doing the same old without accounting for the absence of 16 states seems boring.

Also why do the Confederate States have Missouri, Kentucky, Arizona, New Mexico and West Virginia? They were run out of those places within a year of the American Civil War starting.

OK, maybe I will. I could have multiple parties, just one is boring. And again for your last point bring that up with CSA and Gagium, that's none of my buisness. Honestly once they posted their app I just put "all states CSA hasn't claimed" on mine. I didn't even look at which they had or think of that. I was eager to get my app in before someone else claimed the other half. (I was working on mine to have the whole USA before CSA came in wth their app and took half, but I couldn't prove that and I figured I could deal with a little friendly compettition so I accepted it). Anyways, I have to log out now, bye.

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Don't you mean Republicans are the centre-right in the Union? Markev

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Ai bett yu wnt bi aybul tu undirztnd thz

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Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:Defiance 1936 - RP application

Roleplay Nation (Can be RL 1936 nation or a fictional one - Cannot be too unrealistic though!): State of Iran

Lands claimed: Iran's 1936 territory

Population: 13.72 million

Form of Government: Presidential Republic

Head of State: President Abbas Aryanpour

Head of Government: President Abbas Aryanpour

Military Size (Preferably a realistic number or semi-accurate size of RL nation you're roleplaying as - 2-3% of population at most, unless approved otherwise): 411,600

Military Equipment: Iran's military equipment at the time

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional): General Reza Tehrani, General Abdollah Khan, General Daryoush Shirazi

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.): Mixed

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc. Developing

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941 - These are in 2019 dollars) ~ $3,000

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Am I accepted?

Tesyky, Gagium

Mietkael wrote:Don't you mean Republicans are the centre-right in the Union? Markev

If the young Republican party lost the ACW I couldn't see them being reelected. I'd guess they'd die and a new party would rise to take their place. A Socialist one, mayhaps. UwU

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Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:Am I accepted?

yes you are accepted, though I believe Iran's military is a few hundred thousand less...Could you think about changing that a bit?

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Furbish Islands

Ulrech

We doing Comintern?

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Markev wrote:Furbish Islands

Ulrech

We doing Comintern?

If Furby’s down I’m down

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Ulrech wrote:If Furby’s down I’m down

Furb has to be the leader, so he can export Soviet gear and we can combine to usher in a dark age of communism across the world.

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Defiance 1936 - RP application

Roleplay Nation (Can be RL 1936 nation or a fictional one - Cannot be too unrealistic though!): The United People's Socialist Republic of Marxist Memorial

Lands claimed: The World, united in communism

Population: Everyone

Form of Government: International communism

Head of State: Karl Marx's ghost

Head of Government: Karl Marx's ghost

Military Size (Preferably a realistic number or semi-accurate size of RL nation you're roleplaying as - 2-3% of population at most, unless approved otherwise): Everyone on the days when I am an authoritarian communist and nobody on the days when I am a libertarian communist

Military Equipment: A whole lotta tanks when I am an authoritarian communist and a whole lotta love when I am a libertarian communist

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional): Vladimir Lenin's ghost

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.): Communism

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc. Developed

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941 - These are in 2019 dollars) Pfft who needs currency?

[spoiler=Ping]'Tis a joke.[/spoiler]

The Legion Of Mankind wrote:We live in a society

Indeed, comrade.

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Gagium wrote:yes you are accepted, though I believe Iran's military is a few hundred thousand less...Could you think about changing that a bit?

Sure, how about 250,000?

EDIT: I couldn't find any info about the size of Iran's military in 1936, so I estimated based on the population data I found.

Gagium

Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:Sure, how about 250,000?

EDIT: I couldn't find any info about the size of Iran's military in 1936, so I estimated based on the population data I found.

Iran had 9 divisions in 1941, which is about 135,000 to 150,000 soldiers.

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Gagium wrote:SCI? RPing as the CSA? It’s totally racist

This tbh. Lol.

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Sergioso wrote:Iran had 9 divisions in 1941, which is about 135,000 to 150,000 soldiers.

Ok, thanks for the info!

Gagium I'll set my military to 140,000 people.

Gagium

Markev wrote:I'm not suggesting that you turn the US into a one-state socialist republic. Instead, with the Confederate states pulling millions of conservatives out of the Union you have a two party state where the Democrats are the center-right and you have a Socialist Party that is center-left. There's still capitalism, because the US political system doesn't allow for complete overhauls of the government and economy that can sweep away free enterprise, but the Socialist party advocates more labor rights and public works. So FDR turned up to 11.

It's your nation to do with as you please, but doing the same old without accounting for the absence of 16 states seems boring.

Also why do the Confederate States have Missouri, Kentucky, Arizona, New Mexico and West Virginia? They were run out of those places within a year of the American Civil War starting.

AZ and NM were actually solidly Confederate throughout the war. Everything else would of been taken after a Union surrender.

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Furbish Islands wrote:Yes. And there's nothing we can't do with my endless manpower

Breathes in.

Frick.

Gagium

Sergioso wrote:Iran had 9 divisions in 1941, which is about 135,000 to 150,000 soldiers.

Triangle or square divisions? And that's assuming they're even 100% staffed.

Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Damnit! I have two commies right near me!!!!1!!!!1!!!!

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San Carlos Islands wrote:AZ and NM were actually solidly Confederate throughout the war. Everything else would of been taken after a Union surrender.

No they weren't. The CSA had some support south of the 34th parallel but you can't claim both territories were "solidly" Confederate at all. More troops from both territories served the Union Army. If I recall correctly, most of the support for the Confederates was derived from the Federal government ending a contract with the only mail service in the southern parts of those territories, effectively cutting them off from the rest of the country. The Confederate Army took over mail for the year it was active there.

And how do you get surrenders from Missouri, Kentucky and West Virginia when most of those populations are Unionist? Mass suicide of the defenders?

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The Legion Of Mankind wrote:Damnit! I have two commies right near me!!!!1!!!!1!!!!

Join the dark side

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Ulrech wrote:Join the dark side

I mean you’re on it in real life.

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Markev wrote:No they weren't. The CSA had some support south of the 34th parallel but you can't claim both territories were "solidly" Confederate at all. More troops from both territories served the Union Army. If I recall correctly, most of the support for the Confederates was derived from the Federal government ending a contract with the only mail service in the southern parts of those territories, effectively cutting them off from the rest of the country. The Confederate Army took over mail for the year it was active there.

And how do you get surrenders from Missouri, Kentucky and West Virginia when most of those populations are Unionist? Mass suicide of the defenders?

They're occupied. Why tf are you salty? State's Rights and Liberty is what we ask.

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Markev wrote:Triangle or square divisions? And that's assuming they're even 100% staffed.

Iran was less developed, so they had square divisions, which was typical of the early 20th century. Also, I would assume they are fully staffed with conscripts.

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San Carlos Islands wrote:They're occupied. Why tf are you salty? State's Rights and Liberty is what we ask.

Is it salty to want to understand how things came to be? Why not claim Ohio, Maryland and California if the Union was just rolling over?

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Tesyky wrote:What nation you going to go for?

Probably Romania :)

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San Carlos Islands wrote:Okay retard. It's just an rp.

They're all justifiably Confederate. All had large support.

Name-calling is unnecessary.

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Markev wrote:Name-calling is unnecessary.

Nah bruh.

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Markev wrote:Name-calling is unnecessary.

San Carlos Islands wrote:Nah bruh.

Why are we like this?

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Eldrado wrote:Why are we like this?

I don't know but if this is going to be tolerated I won't be participating in the RP. Flaming is unnecessary and doesn't help the region.

Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Markev wrote:I don't know but if this is going to be tolerated I won't be participating in the RP. Flaming is unnecessary and doesn't help the region.

I really don't think it's tolerated... this is a discussion gone awry you are having with another individual of the region. I don't think we should actively insult our region mates but we won't kick people out unless it is truly a continuous issue.

Also, I'm just saying, whatever happened to just saying I don't agree with you and then providing reasons?

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

Eldrado wrote:

Also, I'm just saying, whatever happened to just saying I don't agree with you and then providing reasons?

I pointed out details that are verifiable and his response is to call me a "retard" when he can't back anything up. It's insulting.

Viridus, Gagium, Eldrado, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens

Defiance 1936 - RP application

Roleplay Nation (Can be RL 1936 nation or a fictional one - Cannot be too unrealistic though!):United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Lands claimed:all territories the UK held in 1936

Population:47.08 million

Form of Government:Constitutional Monarchy

Head of State:Stanley Baldwin

Head of Government:King Edward Vlll

Military Size (Preferably a realistic number or semi-accurate size of RL nation you're roleplaying as - 2-3% of population at most, unless approved otherwise):1935–36.

Regular Army, at home and abroad, including the British Troops on Indian establishment:208,630

Territorial Army:175,094

Army Reserve:113,000

Supplementary Reserve:24,978

Military Equipment:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_military_equipment_of_World_War_II

Prominent Military Leaders (Optional):

Economy (Capitalism, Communism, Mixed, etc.):Capitalism

Economy Type (Developed, Developing, Undeveloped, etc.:Developed

GDP per capita (US was about $11,928 in 1937, UK $10,802, USSR $6,359, and China $941 - These are in 2019 dollars):$10,802

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Markev wrote:I pointed out details that are verifiable and his response is to call me a "retard" when he can't back anything up. It's insulting.

I'm not saying that it was not insulting and uncalled for. I'm saying that ideally, it shouldn't happen. But since this is the internet and we cannot control everyone's behaviour I wouldn't really spend too much worrying about it (even though it is annoying)

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens

I voted at literally the last minute.

Gagium, Paleoconservative Citizens

Gagium respond to my telegram so I can do the Application

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Eldrado wrote:Gagium respond to my telegram so I can do the Application

Same here

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Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:I voted at literally the last minute.

>Votes for an option with no chance tho

RIP

Barry Goldwater The Ghost, Paleoconservative Citizens

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1272749

Upvote squad?

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Furbish Meme Storage wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1272749

Upvote squad?

Idk about this one..I mean, coup memes the month after September? Bleh

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Gagium wrote:Idk about this one..I mean, coup memes the month after September? Bleh

What are you talking about? It's September 50.

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Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:What are you talking about? It's September 50.

Yes! He’s so lost in time!

Gagium, Barry Goldwater The Ghost

So, I’m building up some lore for my nation, and I think I’ve got something good:

I have two armed paramilitary forces which serve as a armed wing of the ruling party in my nation, as well as a personal vanguard for the President, and I’ve cooked up something I personally find both choc-full of history and interesting lore.

-The Minutemen

-The Mohawks

The Minutemen serve more of a “civilian soldier” type deal that focuses more on being a guerrilla National Guard that protects the homefront and strictly that. The Mohawks, on the other hand, are something different. I got the name idea for the native tribe whose members participants in the Boston Tea Party dresses themselves as to symbolically proclaim themselves as “Americans” rather than British subjects. These guys are basically the hardcore loyalists, and are generally feared due to the rumors of scalping fallen enemies; this is further compounded by the pervasive esotericism that exists in their ranks, with some quasi-Pagan ideals (worship of Lady Columbia as goddess of America’s land, spirits of the Founders and ancestors, and the President, and certain Native practices like using Peyote for ritual purposes, vision quests, and sweat lodges).

So, what do you all think? Does it need some work?

Ulrech, Gagium, United Elemental Nations

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