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San Carlos Islands wrote:The College defends against the tyranny of the majority.

I also think this debate always gets overblown. The American system is so much more democratic compared to the rest of the world. Look at Italy where a party that lost the last general election and has consistently been booted out of local offices ever since took virtual control of the country this week or Britain where the PM was chosen by the members of one party.

We're pretty well off.

Tyranny of majority is prevented by separation of powers and a constitution with a bill of rights as I mentioned. The electoral college adds nothing to protect from tyranny of majority unless you are fan of oligarchy.

You can win the electoral college with 22% of the popular vote. Any system where that can happen is flawed. Both examples you pointed out are parliamentary systems which do not support. I like the Presidential system, but it should be decided by a voting system which meets the Condorcet criterion on nearly every occasion.

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:Tyranny of majority is prevented by separation of powers and a constitution with a bill of rights as I mentioned. The electoral college adds nothing to protect from tyranny of majority unless you are fan of oligarchy.

You can win the electoral college with 22% of the popular vote. Any system where that can happen is flawed. Both examples you pointed out are parliamentary systems which do not support. I like the Presidential system, but it should be decided by a voting system which meets the Condorcet criterion on nearly every occasion.

That's not how it works though. Despite what the experts say, the executive is the most powerful branch of the American government; look how much damage Obama did to this country, and that was with the legislature and the judicial system aligned against him.

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Viridus wrote:But we'll be too busy raiding the FCN...? It's Couptember remember?

How could I forget the most important regional event this year.

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Viridus wrote:But we'll be too busy raiding the FCN...? It's Couptember remember?

Ikr

Viridus

Bro

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Gagium: oh baby I gotta like that

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Granluras wrote:post: exists

Gagium: oh baby I gotta like that

Liked

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I’ve had to swift through dozens of pages of Greek myth in order to get a feel of how certain...not-kid-friendly subject matter is presented in real life mythology as a basis for my own mythopoetic narratives.

TLDR: I used zeus smut to make more smut

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San Carlos Islands wrote:That's not how it works though. Despite what the experts say, the executive is the most powerful branch of the American government; look how much damage Obama did to this country, and that was with the legislature and the judicial system aligned against him.

So you think the electors should have overruled his election or something? That is just oligarchy.

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:

You can win the electoral college with 22% of the popular vote. Any system where that can happen is flawed.

How?

Gagium

San Carlos Islands wrote:The College defends against the tyranny of the majority.

I also think this debate always gets overblown. The American system is so much more democratic compared to the rest of the world. Look at Italy where a party that lost the last general election and has consistently been booted out of local offices ever since took virtual control of the country this week or Britain where the PM was chosen by the members of one party.

We're pretty well off.

Outstanding post.

Viridus, Gagium

Otira wrote:How?

If you win just over 50% in a certain group of states, you would win the electoral college with only 22% of the total vote. Yes, this is impossibly unlikely, but it still can happen. And any system where that can happen should not be used. The same can be said about plurality voting.

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:If you win just over 50% in a certain group of states, you would win the electoral college with only 22% of the total vote. Yes, this is impossibly unlikely, but it still can happen. And any system where that can happen should not be used. The same can be said about plurality voting.

There’s no candidate that would get precisely 0% in every state except states that he wins with over 50%. It can’t happen, as you said yourself - “impossibly unlikely”.

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:If you win just over 50% in a certain group of states, you would win the electoral college with only 22% of the total vote. Yes, this is impossibly unlikely, but it still can happen. And any system where that can happen should not be used.

Why? Makes sense for a republican government built with principles of federalism to me. It may not make sense to you because you're expecting or wanting a different type of country.

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Gagium wrote:There’s no candidate that would get precisely 0% in every state except states that he wins with over 50%. It can’t happen, as you said yourself - “impossibly unlikely”.

Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.

Otira wrote:Why? Makes sense for a republican government built with principles of federalism to me. It may not make sense to you because you're expecting or wanting a different type of country.

I understand the argument that the president should represent the states rather than the people, but the electoral college fails in this aspect as well. The only states that matter are the swing states, so the candidates pander to the issues that affect those states most.

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.

I understand the argument that the president should represent the states rather than the people, but the electoral college fails in this aspect as well. The only states that matter are the swing states, so the candidates pander to the issues that affect those states most.

In non-elector system they'd just pander to the big cities. At least with swing states people who aren't lefty coastal elites or their pawns get to be heard. Not a perfect system, but better than mob rule. It's bad enough in the US as it is.

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.

It does when you look at it, actually. :|

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Otira wrote:In non-elector system they'd just pander to the big cities. At least with swing states people who aren't lefty coastal elites or their pawns get to be heard. Not a perfect system, but better than mob rule. It's bad enough in the US as it is.

Even if they only campaigned in the 20 largest metro areas, that is only about one-third of the population - not enough to win by instant runoff or a similar voting system.

Gagium wrote:It does when you look at it, actually. :|

I stand by what I said. The chance is small (probably less than 0.0000000001%), but it's still present.

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I singlehandedly revived the RMB with smut

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:Even if they only campaigned in the 20 largest metro areas, that is only about one-third of the population - not enough to win by instant runoff or a similar voting system.

Only? Hehe indeed.

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RIP Krankriet, again.

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New Waldensia wrote:RIP Krankriet, again.

F

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Idk who he is so bazinga

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Otira wrote:Only? Hehe indeed.

Campaigning in a city doesn't guarantee you all of the votes; and if both candidates campaign in the cities, then they will likely split the vote of said city at least somewhat. They are far from guaranteed victory by just pandering to the cities.

Gagium

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Vote Albert Redstone, support gamers

He's a redstone engineer

Redstone gang assemble

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Furbish Islands, I'm going to try to update the Conservative Nations Saga in the next week or so.

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Also, anybody interested in joining a NFL fantasy football league? ESPN or NFL.com? RIP the one San Carlos Islands started and deleted.

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Also, in popular vote system you have a greater chance of winning with low percentages. Imagine a close 4-way race where the winner only got 26% of the vote.

Viridus, Gagium

All this talk about electoral systems and democracy is boring af. It's obvious what's the best system and everyone better stfu about it. Fighting to the death.

Viridus

Join the FCN Fantasy Football league! http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=8102002 (password is fcnfootball)

It's also open to embassy regions of the FCN, so pile on in! Hoping to fill out the 10 teams, autodraft is on September 3rd, two days before the first game.

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Furbish Islands wrote:Nowadays, the electors must vote for who won the popular vote in their respective states.

I'll need a citation for this

Gagium

New Waldensia wrote:Join the FCN Fantasy Football league! http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=8102002 (password is fcnfootball)

It's also open to embassy regions of the FCN, so pile on in! Hoping to fill out the 10 teams, autodraft is on September 3rd, two days before the first game.

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Oh, sorry about that. We had some... evil foreigners.

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Viridus wrote:I'll need a citation for this

Just look at the EC results from most every election, save the faithless electors

Gagium

GUESS WHO CAME BACK...

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I even experimented with my own region to see if I could full off a reasonable WFE

Holy Union Of Christian States

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The Legion Of Mankind wrote:Oh, sorry about that. We had some... evil foreigners.

And this is why this account exists

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:GUESS WHO CAME BACK...

Who?

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Gagium wrote:Who?

Idk I think that guy Paleoconservative Citizens came back because his region was going nowhere and he was getting bored and lonely.

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Also I finally have a new flag.

And a better ripple.

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Y’all can talk on the MDA RMB now.

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Watch out, comrades,

September arrives...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1253515

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Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:Watch out, comrades,

September arrives...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1253515

Upvote squad activate btw.

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Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:Watch out, comrades,

September arrives...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1253515

Gagium: *angrily likes*

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New Waldensia wrote:Join the FCN Fantasy Football league! http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=8102002 (password is fcnfootball)

It's also open to embassy regions of the FCN, so pile on in! Hoping to fill out the 10 teams, autodraft is on September 3rd, two days before the first game.

[spoiler=tagging since y'all don't allow embassy posting]The Legion Of Mankind Dragons Of Power[/spoiler]

I signed up!

Hail the Legion Hawks!

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Barry Goldwater The Ghost wrote:Watch out, comrades,

September arrives...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1253515

I may need to like this post, but your dispatch is downvoted. "cringecraft" ugh I can't even look at you. >:( september 1 you're banned

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I am the Senate

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The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire wrote:I am the Senate

I AM THE SENATE

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The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire wrote:I am the Senate

Also why is your Religion Gagiumism

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Also why is your Religion Gagiumism

He’s my lord and savior.

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The Neo Austro Hungarian3 Empire wrote:He’s my lord and savior.

BuT wHo iS gAgIUmS lORD aND sAvIoR

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:BuT wHo iS gAgIUmS lORD aND sAvIoR

The Legion Of Mankind is

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The Legion Of Mankind wrote:I can comfirm.

Oh okay

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Am I still in the Conservative Party?

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Gagium wrote:Shut up

Listen to me you peasant.

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The Legion Of Mankind wrote:Listen to me you peasant.

Son.

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Can't spell Gagium without Gum

NOT THAT GUM IS BAD

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Gagium wrote:Son.

I’m sorry my father.....

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The Legion Of Mankind wrote:I’m sorry *Dadium.....

I fixed it

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:Campaigning in a city doesn't guarantee you all of the votes; and if both candidates campaign in the cities, then they will likely split the vote of said city at least somewhat. They are far from guaranteed victory by just pandering to the cities.

Oh undoubtedly. What percentage of cities do Republicans usually take?

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:I fixed it

Lol

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Pat Buchanan should run for president

I'd convince my dad to vote for him since I'm not allowed to vote yet...

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Furbish Islands wrote:That is a strange hypothetical to get a point across. And what are you implying, that there are objectively bad presidents that should never be elected even if most people support them? And why do you think electoral college is going to weed them out?

This. Too many people only support or oppose a system based on if it leads to favorable outcomes to them.And why do you think that isn't the case for electoral college? In 2016, there was 1.6 million estimated illegal immigrants in Texas alone. In that state, Trump and Clinton were only .6 million votes apart. Under our current system, Democrats have every reason to want to speed up the process, let over a million and a half mostly left wing voters become citizens, and flip the second largest state. Those 36 electoral votes Trump received could have pushed him down to 268, moving the presidential vote to Congress and giving Clinton a chance.

This.Also this.The electoral college was created to protect against tyranny by majority, however it is not the case anymore. When it was first a thing, state legislatures chose the electors and the electors chose whoever they wanted. Nowadays, the electors must vote for who won the popular vote in their respective states. This just creates a tyranny by majority with an extra step.

Also whataboutism. "At least we're more democratic than Britain and Italy" is not a good excuse to keep a bad system around.

No, you don't need 22% of the vote to win electoral college. You can in theory win if only 270 people in the country like you, and they all happen to be in the electoral college. But both systems are extremely unlikely. Thinking of some extremely unlikely scenario where the system falls apart is not a good argument against it.

And yes we need to elect the president by a Condorcet method.The legislature was aligned with him in part of his term. And what kind of damage?Exactly. And going back to what Polish-Prussian Commonwealth said about what will happen if suddenly half the people said murder was fine, we're better off trusting the entire country themselves than a handful of individuals.Literally a false statement followed by a logical fallacy(explained above).

As Gagium stated, and as I stated above, it is not a good argument against something by coming up with an 'impossibly unlikely' way to abuse it. And going by that very same logic, what if I said I am God and you must hand me all your money or else you will suffer eternal punishment? Sure, it's impossibly unlikely that it is true, but it could be true in theory, therefore you must hand me your money(for the record it isn't, don't accuse me of heresy pls).

How so? I would argue it is not the only system to make sense in a federalist context.

See my example above.

That is a reality in our current system, though in the system the founding fathers envisioned of state legislatures appointing electors, the president does a good job of representing the states there.

Not really. Residents of cities are typically left wing, and residents of rural areas are more right wing. In the suburbs, sitting between cities and farms, is where there are more swing voters.This.

Once again, my example of being mugged by God above.

Once again, despite campaigning cities will still be mostly left wing. It's more suburban areas with swing voters.

Who said it must be first past the post? Runoff and Condorcet are superior.

It's Schulze.

Yikes, try replying two one or two posts at a time.

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I'm trying "World of Tanks" out.

What country has the best tank line?

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San Carlos Islands wrote:Also, in popular vote system you have a greater chance of winning with low percentages. Imagine a close 4-way race where the winner only got 26% of the vote.

I'm pretty sure no one here supports plurality voting. It's just as bad as the electoral college as far I am concerned. My personal preference is a type of Condorcet voting called Copeland's method. In this system, every candidate would be compared head-to-head, and the candidate who would defeat the most candidates would win the election. It's very much like a round-robin tournament, so it would it be easily understood by the majority of the population.

Furbish Islands wrote:

Epic post. My point with the 22% example was that we shouldn't use a system where this can happen when there are other systems where it's completely impossible. I did not need such an extreme and admittedly poor example, however. I could have just said that the electoral college does not meet the Condorcet criterion and left it at that. It was mostly just for shock value.

Otira wrote:Oh undoubtedly. What percentage of cities do Republicans usually take?

I don't know off the top of my head, but we can assume that it's much lower than the Democrats. But this doesn't matter really since with a preferential voting system, we wouldn't have a two party system.

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Otira wrote:I'm trying "World of Tanks" out.

What country has the best tank line?

Soviets. The game is made by Russians. It's totally "unbiased" lol

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Otira wrote:I'm trying "World of Tanks" out.

What country has the best tank line?

Is it even a question? Germany of course

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Viridus wrote:Is it even a question? Germany of course

I personally like the German heavy tanks the best, but a lot of the Russian ones are OP

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Viridus wrote:Is it even a question? Germany of course

I was thinking that

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:

I don't know off the top of my head, but we can assume that it's much lower than the Democrats. But this doesn't matter really since with a preferential voting system, we wouldn't have a two party system.

Maybe combine that with earned voting instead of everyone being automatically given the vote.

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Otira wrote:Maybe combine that with earned voting instead of everyone being automatically given the vote.

How would one go about earning a vote? Like paying taxes or some sort of test?

Viridus, Gagium

Otira wrote:Maybe combine that with earned voting instead of everyone being automatically given the vote.

Well, when you think about it, there already is a system for "earning a vote", you have to be a certain age along with being a citizen (though the dems are looking to get rid of that last one)

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:How would one go about earning a vote? Like paying taxes or some sort of test?

Paying taxes is a good option. There are a lot of options that could be discussed (paying taxes, not relying on state welfare, passing a literacy test, etc).

One of my favorites, perhaps combined with those in some aspect, is that of federal service (military or non-military) as presented by Heinlein in the novel Starship Troopers. To participate in the government of your people, you should have to provide a term of service to your people. And as Heinlein proposes, an aspect of universal suffrage is present in that anyone can try to *earn* the right to vote, regardless of race, sex or creed.

If you haven't read the book, I highly recommend it. Different from the film.

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Viridus wrote:Well, when you think about it, there already is a system for "earning a vote", you have to be a certain age along with being a citizen (though the dems are looking to get rid of that last one)

It's scary that I need more qualifications to drive an automobile than to choose the leadership and policies of my nation.

Viridus, Gagium

Otira wrote:Paying taxes is a good option. There are a lot of options that could be discussed (paying taxes, not relying on state welfare, passing a literacy test, etc).

One of my favorites, perhaps combined with those in some aspect, is that of federal service (military or non-military) as presented by Heinlein in the novel Starship Troopers. To participate in the government of your people, you should have to provide a term of service to your people. And as Heinlein proposes, an aspect of universal suffrage is present in that anyone can try to *earn* the right to vote, regardless of race, sex or creed.

If you haven't read the book, I highly recommend it. Different from the film.

I think paying taxes would be a reasonable option, but I'm sort of iffy on anything else. Do you play Stellaris by chance?

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:I think paying taxes would be a reasonable option, but I'm sort of iffy on anything else. Do you play Stellaris by chance?

Yes I play Stellaris, how could you tell?

https://i.imgur.com/Y4V9yUV.jpg

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Otira wrote:Yes I play Stellaris, how could you tell?

https://i.imgur.com/Y4V9yUV.jpg

The concept of earning your vote always reminds me of the Citizen Stratocracy government type. Starship Troopers also is reminiscent of it as well even though I haven't actually seen it or read the book.

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:The concept of earning your vote always reminds me of the Citizen Stratocracy government type

I may have made an empire or two with that government type, yes. When I'm not trying to awaken Old Ones to consume the galaxy.

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Otira wrote:I may have made an empire or two with that government type, yes. When I'm not trying to awaken Old Ones to consume the galaxy.

Lol I'm not the best at Stellaris. I mostly enjoy making new empires and interacting with them though I haven't actually played in quite some time. Most recently, I was attempting to make equivalents of Star Wars civilizations.

Gagium

You guys make me fly, high

into a building

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Liberated American Provinces wrote:The concept of earning your vote always reminds me of the Citizen Stratocracy government type. Starship Troopers also is reminiscent of it as well even though I haven't actually seen it or read the book.

Citizen Stratocracy is the “You only get to vote if you fight” right

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New Inglaterra wrote:Citizen Stratocracy is the “You only get to vote if you fight” right

Indeed

Gagium

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Lol I'm not the best at Stellaris. I mostly enjoy making new empires and interacting with them though I haven't actually played in quite some time. Most recently, I was attempting to make equivalents of Star Wars civilizations.

I usually make alien empires but my human one was indeed a citizen republic.

New Inglaterra wrote:Citizen Stratocracy is the “You only get to vote if you fight” right

Vote if you serve, but the military has subsumed all aspects of civilian administration. All government offices are held by military officers.

Citizen Republic, which is what I advocate and played as, is where full citizenship can only be gained through military service. The voting franchise is limited to full citizens, and they are the only ones allowed to hold public offices. Though personally I don't limit it to military service.

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“Carmel is also known for several unusual laws, including a prohibition on wearing high-heel shoes without a permit, enacted to prevent lawsuits arising from tripping accidents caused by irregular pavement.”

[Leftist/Californian] bureaucracy in a nutshell. Rather then fixing their damn sidewalks they’ll just outlaw fúcking high-heels.

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Granluras wrote:“Carmel is also known for several unusual laws, including a prohibition on wearing high-heel shoes without a permit, enacted to prevent lawsuits arising from tripping accidents caused by irregular pavement.”

[Leftist/Californian] bureaucracy in a nutshell. Rather then fixing their damn sidewalks they’ll just outlaw fúcking high-heels.

STONKS

Gagium, Granluras

New Inglaterra wrote:Gagium: *angrily likes*

Gags should be the king of r/angryupvote. He has proven himself to be a truly angry upvoter of the highest degree.

Gagium wrote:I may need to like this post, but your dispatch is downvoted. "cringecraft" ugh I can't even look at you. >:( september 1 you're banned

If you ban me, I'll move to Federation Of Conservative Nuance and serve Maharajah Viridus instead.

Also, YoU wErEn'T sUpPoSeD tO rEaD tHaT!!! >:-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

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Welcome Nakuro!

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Gagium wrote:Welcome Nakuro!

My Pleasure😊

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San Carlos Islands wrote:That's not how it works though. Despite what the experts say, the executive is the most powerful branch of the American government; look how much damage Obama did to this country, and that was with the legislature and the judicial system aligned against him.
The mechanics of the American system have be tweaked since the Founding, and how much authority the executive gained during the 1930s-1970s, ironically by the legislature.

Viridus, Gagium

In the movie Cars 2 there is a clear mention of a Car Pope. This obviously means there is a Catholic-esque religion in the Cars universe, a realization with massive indications such as:Car Pope’s existence implies so many things, such as:

* If Cartholicism exists in this universe, that means that Car Jesus would have had to exist

* Car Jesus would have also had to die on the cross for the sins of Carkind

* Car Jesus’s Cruisefiction was presided over by a Roman guy named Pontiac Pilate

* One of the ranks in the Car-Catholic Church is a Cardinal

* Years later, Car-Mel-Gibson will make an adaptation of this story, entitled The Passion of the Chrysler

* The Cartholic Church will be rocked with pedalphile scandals as the eldest Cartholic Officials will be alleged to have fondled the tyres and internal engines of little-boy cars

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