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Anarkiyastan wrote:Oh, really? Please show 😯

https://i.imgur.com/yFAu0jC.png

THIS PROVES THAT EVEN BEFORE THE "COUP" THAT THEY WANTED TO BAN ACORN

The Symorthe wrote:https://i.imgur.com/yFAu0jC.png

THIS PROVES THAT EVEN BEFORE THE "COUP" THAT THEY WANTED TO BAN ACORN

wow i cant believe this

The Symorthe

over 5 hours before the "coup" you didnt care what happened you were gonna ban them anyway

Anarkiyastan

The Symorthe wrote:https://i.imgur.com/yFAu0jC.png

THIS PROVES THAT EVEN BEFORE THE "COUP" THAT THEY WANTED TO BAN ACORN

By the time this conversation occurred, the endorsement cap had been passed into law, which meant that Acornesia was illegally harboring endorsements in excess of the cap.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:I have heard no consensus to support that. If you have anything to support this, please feel free to reach out to me.

As I said, the endorsement cap is a temporary measure to ensure regional security while the legislative branch assembles. When that is done, it can be repealed, since the government will have stabilized.

Wert wrote:some regions have something called an "endorsement cap" which prevents nations from getting more that a certain amount, ive never understood why some have such low amounts though, as it doesn't benefit anyone to have low endo caps

Acornesia wrote:No yeah I was thinking we have a political system involving a delegate with some power over a different branch of government which is elected differently, while the different branch of government can also influence delegate votes.

I think we should only have an endorsement cap for “foreigners.” We could make our election-verification system more than just election verification but a full citizenship program.

Wert wrote:I like the idea of a citizen program, i have seemn many starting out regions us it. and it usually works out pretty well

Lave Deldederady wrote:I like the idea of a full citizenship program, so we have citizens and foreigners. Citizens are nations who are endorsing the current delegate.

We could also use forums, I'm sure there are free hosting sites out there to check out.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:By the time this conversation occurred, the endorsement cap had been passed into law, which meant that Acornesia was illegally harboring endorsements in excess of the cap.

No no no you got caught

no more bs from now on

Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe

Anarkiyastan wrote:

So, what you're saying is, there was some discussions about potentially having a kind of endorsement cap, so clearly this is proof that no endorsement cap of any kind was desired?

Besides, regardless of public opinion, legislature passed by the World Assembly Delegate is law so long as the legislative branch has not convened.

Rainbowstaria wrote:No no no you got caught

no more bs from now on

So, Acornesia broke the law regarding the endorsement caps, staged a coup, and was banned for it, and somehow this is the fault of the previous and current delegates?

Inner Kilvaka wrote:So, what you're saying is, there was some discussions about potentially having a kind of endorsement cap, so clearly this is proof that no endorsement cap of any kind was desired?

Besides, regardless of public opinion, legislature passed by the World Assembly Delegate is law so long as the legislative branch has not convened.

I propose removing the endorsement cap when i become a legislature

Inner Kilvaka wrote:By the time this conversation occurred, the endorsement cap had been passed into law, which meant that Acornesia was illegally harboring endorsements in excess of the cap.

Funny how you change arguments when you start losing. The argument before was “Acornesia didn’t go through the legal process to get elected! Instead of earning endorsements (which implies endorsements are legal to begin with), he did a foreign invasion!”

now, it’s changed to “endorsements were illegal to begin with!”

Anyway, an endorsement cap contradicts the constitution which says people are elected via game mechanics. That can never happen if there’s an endorsement cap. Even if Acorn’s endorsements were illegal by the law you dictatorially passed, the majority still supported him

Rainbowstaria

Inner Kilvaka wrote:So, Acornesia broke the law regarding the endorsement caps, staged a coup, and was banned for it, and somehow this is the fault of the previous and current delegates?

There was no coup. He was about to be elected freely and fairly.

The Symorthe

Rainbowstaria wrote:I propose removing the endorsement cap when i become a legilature

Once again, you have missed the point. The sole purpose of the endorsement cap was to keep things stable until legislatorial elections finished. By the time you could propose to remove the cap, the cap would already be gone, having served its purpose.

He is just justifying his firend lave at this point i feel theyre just biased friends

instead of actually agreeing with eachother

Anarkiyastan

Anarkiyastan wrote:Funny how you change arguments when you start losing. The argument before was “Acornesia didn’t go through the legal process to get elected! Instead of earning endorsements (which implies endorsements are legal to begin with), he did a foreign invasion!”

now, it’s changed to “endorsements were illegal to begin with!”

Anyway, an endorsement cap contradicts the constitution which says people are elected via game mechanics. That can never happen if there’s an endorsement cap. Even if Acorn’s endorsements were illegal by the law you dictatorially passed, the majority still supported him

And the united states constitution says the president shall be elected by vote, but then disbars felons from voting. That is not a contradiction.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:And the united states constitution says the president shall be elected by vote, but then disbars felons from voting. That is not a contradiction.

…what?

yes, that’s not a contradiction. So you’re UNIRONICALLY saying, “the constitution says the delegate is democratically elected, but then disbars everyone from voting for anyone else except the delegate”, isn’t a contradiction?

Inner Kilvaka wrote:And the united states constitution says the president shall be elected by vote, but then disbars felons from voting. That is not a contradiction.

our constitution is much more different than the american one

and you as the poster of it its very ironic how you excuse someone breaking it

Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:Once again, you have missed the point. The sole purpose of the endorsement cap was to keep things stable until legislatorial elections finished. By the time you could propose to remove the cap, the cap would already be gone, having served its purpose.

but the delegate was about to change and lave was scared of loseing it, he knew that the election would take a while so he made a law that kept him and only him in power long enought for that by the time endo caps were removed, he would already have waty more enedorsements than the second person in the region

Anarkiyastan

Anarkiyastan wrote:what?

yes, that’s not a contradiction. So you’re UNIRONICALLY saying, “the constitution says the delegate is democratically elected, but then disbars everyone from voting for anyone else except the delegate”, isn’t a contradiction?

As I have said so many times I've lost count, the purpose of the endorsement cap is merely to ensure governmental stability while the legislative branch forms - rapidfire changes in power without an elected legislative branch would be disastrous to getting anything done.

So keep in mind im not attacking you just pointing out bs

Im not here to conspire i just see the wrongdoings of 2 people i point it out simple as that

The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:As I have said so many times I've lost count, the purpose of the endorsement cap is merely to ensure governmental stability while the legislative branch forms - rapidfire changes in power without an elected legislative branch would be disastrous to getting anything done.

even more disastrous if a bad delegate like the current one decided to make a tyrannical regime and have a huge reign

Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe

Rainbowstaria wrote:So keep in mind im not attacking you just pointing out bs

Im not here to conspire i just see the wrongdoings of 2 people i point it out simple as that

And yet you remain an ardent supporter of an individual who violated regional law and attempted to weaponize their position to stage a revolt.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:And yet you remain an ardent supporter of an individual who violated regional law and attempted to weaponize their position to stage a revolt.

bro there was never a revolt you guys just wanted an excuse to ban Acornesia

Inner Kilvaka wrote:And yet you remain an ardent supporter of an individual who violated regional law and attempted to weaponize their position to stage a revolt.

no i dont support them just that the ban was unfair

you villanizing a human being is hilarious

and you constantlly ranting and repeating is straight up nuts

The Symorthe

The Symorthe wrote:bro there was never a revolt you guys just wanted an excuse to ban Acornesia

The level of denial on display is astounding. Acornesia used puppets to attempt to spring themselves into delegacy, after harboring endorsements far beyond the allowed maximum under regional law, refused to cooperate on entering into compliance, and otherwise totally failed to behave diplomatically before resorting to brute force. Why you support their actions is beyond me.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:And yet you remain an ardent supporter of an individual who violated regional law and attempted to weaponize their position to stage a revolt.

All they did was attempt to be elected because they didn’t support your government. What you did is the equivalent of banning political opponents on the basis of needing stability.

The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:The level of denial on display is astounding. Acornesia used puppets to attempt to spring themselves into delegacy, after harboring endorsements far beyond the allowed maximum under regional law, refused to cooperate on entering into compliance, and otherwise totally failed to behave diplomatically before resorting to brute force. Why you support their actions is beyond me.

those werent their puppets and you cant have more than one WA nation so they could not have used those nations to endorse themselfves

Anarkiyastan

Rainbowstaria wrote:no i dont support them just that the ban was unfair

you villanizing a human being is hilarious

and you constantlly ranting and repeating is straight up nuts

Then you will be delighted to know, as I have said, that the legislative branch is set to convene soon, and the ban is one of the many matters on the table. But, like I said, the region needs to be stable before then, which Acornesias actions have done nothing to assist.

Post by Anarkiyastan suppressed by Inner Kilvaka.

Anarkiyastan

Inner Kilvaka wrote:The level of denial on display is astounding. Acornesia used puppets to attempt to spring themselves into delegacy, after harboring endorsements far beyond the allowed maximum under regional law, refused to cooperate on entering into compliance, and otherwise totally failed to behave diplomatically before resorting to brute force. Why you support their actions is beyond me.

This is….so untrue, we’ve already disproven the puppets part. And the endorsements were democratic, the endorsement cap was an excuse to hold on to power.

The Symorthe

I’m done arguing for now. I think we’ve proved our point.

The Symorthe

Anarkiyastan wrote:This is….so untrue, we’ve already disproven the puppets part. And the endorsements were democratic, the endorsement cap was an excuse to hold on to power.

You haven't disproven a thing, you've just stuck your head in the sand when the reasoning of the decision was spelled out for you time and again.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:Then you will be delighted to know, as I have said, that the legislative branch is set to convene soon, and the ban is one of the many matters on the table. But, like I said, the region needs to be stable before then, which Acornesias actions have done nothing to assist.

no idea what the hell you mean this is an argument not a political argument, then you are delighted to know that you are not gaining anyones word no one believes you and everyone hate the current delegate, i wont respond further

Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:You haven't disproven a thing, you've just stuck your head in the sand when the reasoning of the decision was spelled out for you time and again.

Yes we have disproven it, the majority of the people here would agree with that, all 3/4 pargiciants of this discussion except you agree that we’ve disproved you.

The Symorthe

Rainbowstaria wrote:no idea what the hell you mean this is an argument not a political argument, then you are delighted to know that you are not gaining anyones word no one believes you and everyone hate the current delegate, i wont respond further

This is an argument about politics. I think it qualifies as a political argument.

I do not care if you like me or not. The facts are the facts, and your refusal to recognize them as such means nothing.

As I said though, I’m done.

Wats your favorite flavor of apple? Green, yellow or red?

The Symorthe

I have a better poll idea that is actually an interesting one. unlike "what is your fave color"

If the grass wasn't green, what color would you want it to be?

Anarkiyastan wrote:As I said though, I’m done.

Wats your favorite flavor of apple? Green, yellow or red?

red one by far

who wants me to bring my main wich is unbannable?

bcs the amount of inluence

The Symorthe

Rainbowstaria wrote:who wants me to bring my main wich is unbannable?

bcs the amount of inluence

No, regional influence and game influence are different

The Symorthe wrote:red one by far

Green for me. It’s more bitter

Well ill begoing i hope the worthless of Inner Kilvaka stops with the bs and grows up as a person

Inner Kilvaka, The Symorthe

Rainbowstaria wrote:Well ill begoing i hope the worthless of Inner Kilvaka stops with the bs and grows up as a person

bye :).

sooooo do any of you play chess?

The Symorthe wrote:sooooo do any of you play chess?

I do!

The Symorthe

Gasteiya is ranked 123,630th in the world and 40th in Greater Sahara for Most Valuable International Artwork, with 0.06 Bank.

The Symorthe wrote:yall in this dicord discussed banning Astarter and First Nightmare for being a "threat to security" you guys were just power hungry and was afraid of loseing leadership it didnt matter taht they enetered the region

Wait what

The Symorthe

Astarter wrote:Wait what

its true, Lave discussed banning you andFirst Nightmare from going over endorsement cap, EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS WERE NOT ONLINE AND COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT

Astarter

The Symorthe wrote:its true, Lave discussed banning you andFirst Nightmare from going over endorsement cap, EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS WERE NOT ONLINE AND COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT

Seriously why does everybody just talk in discord

Why didn't anybody tell me about this? Why do you have to ban them, why not just tell people to unedrose for a little so we can get stable it isn't hard, smh.

Rainbowstaria, The Symorthe

Astarter wrote:Seriously why does everybody just talk in discord

Why didn't anybody tell me about this? Why do you have to ban them, why not just tell people to unedrose for a little so we can get stable it isn't hard, smh.

because the idiocy and cowardy of the ones who dont agree with them but haver bannedphobia

Astarter, The Symorthe

Astarter wrote:Seriously why does everybody just talk in discord

Why didn't anybody tell me about this? Why do you have to ban them, why not just tell people to unedrose for a little so we can get stable it isn't hard, smh.

I only even had like, four endorsements, doesn't Leave have like, 10?

The Symorthe wrote:its true, Lave discussed banning you andFirst Nightmare from going over endorsement cap, EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS WERE NOT ONLINE AND COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT

I am far below the endorsement cap so.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:We had a poll to determine candidates yesterday: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=199599

You had to have voted "yes" on that poll to formalize your intent to run as legislator.

Voting opened 23 hours ago and closed 11 hours ago. Open to all WA member nations.

That was a 12 hour poll. Bad idea.

Also please calm down a bit, everyone?

Astarter, The Symorthe

First Nightmare wrote:I am far below the endorsement cap so.Voting opened 23 hours ago and closed 11 hours ago. Open to all WA member nations.

That was a 12 hour poll. Bad idea.

at one point you were not apparenty

The lengths they took to enworse our region is absurd

Astarter, The Symorthe

The Symorthe wrote:at one point you were not apparenty

I didn't want to run, I voted no.

But others might have, and 12 hours are too short.

The Symorthe

First Nightmare wrote:I am far below the endorsement cap so.Voting opened 23 hours ago and closed 11 hours ago. Open to all WA member nations.

That was a 12 hour poll. Bad idea.

Also please calm down a bit, everyone?

My thoughts, why tf a 12 hour poll, that's like an entire time someone's asleep in some places

First Nightmare wrote:I didn't want to run, I voted no.

But others might have, and 12 hours are too short.

in the discord, some wanted it to just be six hours of registrations

Astarter

The Symorthe wrote:tin the discord, some wanted it to just be six hours of registrations

Tf, that's like, barring everyone from the eastern hemisphere to vote 💀

The Symorthe

Astarter wrote:Tf, that's like, barring everyone from the eastern hemisphere to vote 💀

it also gives the people who did manage to vote a greater chance of being elected, which is just wrong

Astarter

gosh everyone is unendorsing the wrong people

the one you unendorse is lave goddamn it

Astarter, The Symorthe

I really do suggest unendosring lave

The Symorthe wrote:I really do suggest unendosring lave, they are the one who set these things

Rainbowstaria wrote:gosh everyone is unendorsing the wrong people

the one you unendorse is lave goddamn it

As I seem to remember, citizens are free to endorse or unendorse whomever they please. Wasn't that what you were arguing for earlier?

Inner Kilvaka wrote:As I seem to remember, citizens are free to endorse or unendorse whomever they please. Wasn't that what you were arguing for earlier?

hypocrite

Inner Kilvaka wrote:As I seem to remember, citizens are free to endorse or unendorse whomever they please. Wasn't that what you were arguing for earlier?

Well yes but also we dont say yes to tyranny so

yes im inconsistent but it just looks like you point out a wrongdoing even though youve already exposed yourself prior

Astarter wrote:Tf, that's like, barring everyone from the eastern hemisphere to vote 💀

Which is why it was decided against. We decided 12 hours would provide a healthy balance between establishing a full government as quickly as possible, while extending the opportunity to vote as far as practical.

we literally have evidense that lave was planning on banning Acornesia even before the so called "coup"

https://i.imgur.com/yFAu0jC.png

over four hours before the "coup"

The Symorthe wrote:we literally have evidense that lave was planning on banning Acornesia even before the so called "coup"

The World Assembly Delegate is within their rights to take disciplinary action against any nation not in compliance with the regional rules, especially while there is no other officer who is able to do so.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:Which is why it was decided against. We decided 12 hours would provide a healthy balance between establishing a full government as quickly as possible, while extending the opportunity to vote as far as practical.

But most people are still asleep or busy in that time, why not just extend it to a day? That's still not enough time because I didn't even see the poll

Inner Kilvaka wrote:The World Assembly Delegate is within their rights to take disciplinary action against any nation not in compliance with the regional rules, especially while there is no other officer who is able to do so.

XD by preventing them from becomeing the rightful leader to the region, they had more endoremenst

Astarter

also the welcome telegram was a massive downgrade from mine like WTF

Astarter, Anarkiyastan

The Symorthe wrote:also the welcome telegram was a massive downgrade from mine like WTF

Hello and Welcome The Symorthe to NationStates and to our wonderful Greater Sahara!

Please make sure to join the World Assembly by the button on the left hand portion of the screen and endorse me at the bottom of my nation page to ensure our continued security. Please read our wonderful World Fact Entry for more information about the region!

-Delegate Lave Deldederady

Astarter

The Symorthe wrote:XD by preventing them from becomeing the rightful leader to the region, they had more endoremenst

The rightful leader is decided by the game mechanic, not by a manual tally. The game, and noone but the game, had the final say, and the final say was that Lave would remain delegate. By all counts, their continued delegacy is legitimate according to the constitution.

Greetings!

It is my pleasure to welcome you to the Greater Sahara, one of the first frontier regions in NationStates!

We hope that your time in our region will be filled with excitement, discovery, and growth. Whether you are an experienced player or a newcomer to the game, we know that you will find something here that will captivate your imagination and inspire you to reach new heights.

Here are three highly recommend steps to help start your journey in Greater Sahara and increase regional security:

Step One: Go to The World Assembly And hit apply to join! Make sure to follow the steps given in the email!

Step Two: Go to this link and hit the "Endorse Wert" button

Step Three: Introduce yourself in our RMB!

Please do not hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions or concerns. We are here to support you in your endeavors and to help make your experience in the NationStates as memorable as possible.

Once again, welcome to Greater Sahara. We are honored to have you as a member of our community.

Best regards,

Wert

Delegate of Greater Sahara

Astarter

Inner Kilvaka wrote:The rightful leader is decided by the game mechanic, not by a manual tally. The game, and noone but the game, had the final say, and the final say was that Lave would remain delegate. By all counts, their continued delegacy is legitimate according to the constitution.

Exactly, the rightful delegate is decided by game mechanic. Acornesia would’ve received delegacy by the game mechanic if not banned

Astarter, The Symorthe

The Symorthe wrote:Greetings!

It is my pleasure to welcome you to the Greater Sahara, one of the first frontier regions in NationStates!

We hope that your time in our region will be filled with excitement, discovery, and growth. Whether you are an experienced player or a newcomer to the game, we know that you will find something here that will captivate your imagination and inspire you to reach new heights.

Here are three highly recommend steps to help start your journey in Greater Sahara and increase regional security:

Step One: Go to The World Assembly And hit apply to join! Make sure to follow the steps given in the email!

Step Two: Go to this link and hit the "Endorse Wert" button

Step Three: Introduce yourself in our RMB!

Please do not hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions or concerns. We are here to support you in your endeavors and to help make your experience in the NationStates as memorable as possible.

Once again, welcome to Greater Sahara. We are honored to have you as a member of our community.

Best regards,

Wert

Delegate of Greater Sahara

Okay, I will concede that is a better welcome telegram, no argument there.

Astarter, The Symorthe

LIKE AT LEAST DONT REPLACE THE WELCOME TELEGRAM< WHICH IS THE FIRST THING NEW NATIONS SEE when they join the game with something that is low effort

Inner Kilvaka wrote:The rightful leader is decided by the game mechanic, not by a manual tally. The game, and noone but the game, had the final say, and the final say was that Lave would remain delegate. By all counts, their continued delegacy is legitimate according to the constitution.

This is confusing first you say you need ellections to become a delegate, now you agree with the constitution he jut broke?

Astarter, The Symorthe

Anarkiyastan wrote:Exactly, the rightful delegate is decided by game mechanic. Acornesia would’ve received delegacy by the game mechanic if not banned

But they did not.

The delegate was within their rights to ban Acornesia.

The game, when it tallied endorsements, found Lave to be the rightful delegate.

I fail to see how these things invalidate each other. The game mechanic certified Lave as the true delegate, and that is the only consideration in the constitution in how the delegate is decided.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:But they did not.

The delegate was within their rights to ban Acornesia.

The game, when it tallied endorsements, found Lave to be the rightful delegate.

I fail to see how these things invalidate each other. The game mechanic certified Lave as the true delegate, and that is the only consideration in the constitution in how the delegate is decided.

THATS BECAUSE HE BANNED ACORN BEFORE THE UPDATE PENDED GIVEING NO TIME FOR THE GAME MECHANICS TO WORK ITS COURSE

Inner Kilvaka wrote:But they did not.

The delegate was within their rights to ban Acornesia.

The game, when it tallied endorsements, found Lave to be the rightful delegate.

I fail to see how these things invalidate each other. The game mechanic certified Lave as the true delegate, and that is the only consideration in the constitution in how the delegate is decided.

The delegate was not within their rights to ban Acornesia. Acornesia did nothing wrong, your argument about a coup is entirely propagandist and proven to be false multiple times

The Symorthe

Rainbowstaria wrote:This is confusing first you say you need ellections to become a delegate, now you agree with the constitution he jut broke?

The elections are done through the game mechanic. The game mechanic found Lave to be the delegate. Therefore, Lave won the election. The math is that simple. If you take issue with how the game decides endorsements are to be calculated, I refer you to the people who made nationstates.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:The elections are done through the game mechanic. The game mechanic found Lave to be the delegate. Therefore, Lave won the election. The math is that simple. If you take issue with how the game decides endorsements are to be calculated, I refer you to the people who made nationstates.

No, that’s not true. Lave rigged the election by banning the person who would’ve won.

The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:But they did not.

The delegate was within their rights to ban Acornesia.

The game, when it tallied endorsements, found Lave to be the rightful delegate.

I fail to see how these things invalidate each other. The game mechanic certified Lave as the true delegate, and that is the only consideration in the constitution in how the delegate is decided.

What? But acrornesia would've gotten the delegate and......... Eh???

Wouldn't wert be the rightful delegate then??? Since the game decided him first????

The Symorthe

Anarkiyastan wrote:The delegate was not within their rights to ban Acornesia. Acornesia did nothing wrong, your argument about a coup is entirely propagandist and proven to be false multiple times

Acornesia violated the endorsement cap, and refused to cooperate. The endorsement cap was set forth in law in the same way as the constitution, through the approval of the delegate. Ergo, Acornesia broke regional law.

I swear, if Inner Kilvaka starts saying rigging the delegacy vote isn’t against the constitution, that’ll be hilarious.

The Symorthe

Astarter wrote:What? But acrornesia would've gotten the delegate and......... Eh???

Wouldn't wert be the rightful delegate then??? Since the game decided him first????

A few days ago, when wert had the most endorsements, yes. However, as of last night, the winner was Lave, and so Lave became the delegate. Same thing happened this morning - Lave still had the most endorsements of all the nations in the region, and so became the delegate.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:Acornesia violated the endorsement cap, and refused to cooperate. The endorsement cap was set forth in law in the same way as the constitution, through the approval of the delegate. Ergo, Acornesia broke regional law.

yall would have murdered me if i set an endorsement cap, its clear you are only backing him becuase he gave you powers

Astarter

Anarkiyastan wrote:I swear, if Inner Kilvaka starts saying rigging the delegacy vote isn’t against the constitution, that’ll be hilarious.

If I could rig the code that decides how delegates are decided, I'd make myself delegate and put and end to this nonsense.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:Acornesia violated the endorsement cap, and refused to cooperate. The endorsement cap was set forth in law in the same way as the constitution, through the approval of the delegate. Ergo, Acornesia broke regional law.

The endorsement is a violation of the constitution, though. And Acornesia was within his rights to run against Lave on the basis of Lave being a bad delegate, something which the majority clearly agreed with.

The legality of the situation is irrelevant, anyway. What matters is that it’s undemocratic, and we don’t like that.

The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:A few days ago, when wert had the most endorsements, yes. However, as of last night, the winner was Lave, and so Lave became the delegate. Same thing happened this morning - Lave still had the most endorsements of all the nations in the region, and so became the delegate.

But you banned Acrornesia before he could win

Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:A few days ago, when wert had the most endorsements, yes. However, as of last night, the winner was Lave, and so Lave became the delegate. Same thing happened this morning - Lave still had the most endorsements of all the nations in the region, and so became the delegate.

BUT ACORN WAS OVER HIS ENDORSEMENTS! MEANING THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DELEGATE IF THEY WERNT BANNED

Astarter, Anarkiyastan

Anarkiyastan wrote:The endorsement is a violation of the constitution, though. And Acornesia was within his rights to run against Lave on the basis of Lave being a bad delegate, something which the majority clearly agreed with.

The legality of the situation is irrelevant, anyway. What matters is that it’s undemocratic, and we don’t like that.

The constitution makes no guarantees that no endorsement caps will be levied.

As for the accusations of undemocratic elections, that is another matter. I recognize that the events leave a sour taste in many peoples mouths, but they are legitimate. Like I said, the priority in government right now is to establish the foundations from which further progress towards a true democracy can be made.

also the discord link doesnt work btw so that prevents nations from seeing how to get a say in the reigon

Inner Kilvaka wrote:The constitution makes no guarantees that no endorsement caps will be levied.

As for the accusations of undemocratic elections, that is another matter. I recognize that the events leave a sour taste in many peoples mouths, but they are legitimate. Like I said, the priority in government right now is to establish the foundations from which further progress towards a true democracy can be made.

Just because rigging the election is legal doesn’t mean we like it, and doesn’t change our reaction to it.

The Symorthe

The Symorthe wrote:BUT ACORN WAS OVER HIS ENDORSEMENTS! MEANING THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DELEGATE IF THEY WERNT BANNED

And yet, Acornesia was not chosen to be the delegate. "Coulda-shoulda-woulda" means nothing to the algorithm that decides the delegacy.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:And yet, Acornesia was not chosen to be the delegate. "Coulda-shoulda-woulda" means nothing to the algorithm that decides the delegacy.

And we don’t care about the algorithm. We care about you banning Acornesia right before the update to prevent his ascension.

Astarter, The Symorthe

Inner Kilvaka wrote:And yet, Acornesia was not chosen to be the delegate. "Coulda-shoulda-woulda" means nothing to the algorithm that decides the delegacy.

because yall power hungry pigs wanted to prevent yourselves from losing power

Astarter

Anarkiyastan wrote:Just because rigging the election is legal doesn’t mean we like it, and doesn’t change our reaction to it.

You are welcome to be displeased. You are not, however, welcome to claim it is illegitimate. As I have stated, the laws in place mean that what happened was entirely legal and within Lave's authority to do, meaning they are the legitimate delegate.

Inner Kilvaka wrote:You are welcome to be displeased. You are not, however, welcome to claim it is illegitimate. As I have stated, the laws in place mean that what happened was entirely legal and within Lave's authority to do, meaning they are the legitimate delegate.

Yes I can claim it’s illegitimate. I can claim that as much as I want.

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