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Region: Greater Sahara
As I said, the spy worked their way through our government over a period of several weeks. It was a long gambit - slowly gaining our trust piece by piece.
While we had some security measures in place to ensure potential Guardians (or any member of government, for that matter) are trustworthy, with the right lies, anyone can convince anyone of anything. Rest assured, we are actively looking into ways to minimize the chances that this happens again.
First Nightmare, Wannabezinyo, Isle Canin Sweria
Well, if you say so... Just feels a bit careless to me, that's all.
Wert
It also didn't help that there was yet another group of people who were openly attacking this region.
Wert, Inner Kilvaka
Like I said, we are working on security protocols to be more careful going forward. If you have any concerns or suggestions, please feel free to reach out to me, the President, or any of the Guardians (we believe we have found all of the spies now)
Wannabezinyo, Isle Canin Sweria
victim blaming.
United Calanworie, Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
Post by True Saharan Patriot 4 suppressed by Lave Deldederady.
Maybe if you didnt ban 50% of WA members for being anti-Lave you would have had more natives to defend against a foreign invasion
Just saying
Post by True Saharan Patriot 4 suppressed by Lave Deldederady.
The true traitors are Lave Deldederady for overthrowing our righteous founding government
wow this region is crippled!
First its 1k people
when the rumors spread its 750
and now when another raid starts its less than 580
what happenned?
Wannabezinyo
A double agent raided our region and ejected and banned more that 130 nations. We are recovering from it but the office is trying to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady, Chipsi, Isle Canin Sweria
Attention All:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1892640
The new endorsement caps.
Inner Kilvaka
Post by Saharan Patriot 2 suppressed by Beauty School Dropout.
Next time, dont let "loyal" people into the government just to attempt to consolidate your power!
[spoiler=RFS article on the raid]https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1891785[/spoiler]
[spoiler=RFS index]https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1880363[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Lave: The tyrant delegate]https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1871299[/spoiler]
Post by Saharan Patriot 2 suppressed by Lave Deldederady.
You are pretty much correct, they allowed the spy to get into government positions because the only thing they cared about was to get more people into their side to continue this tyrannic government and Squirrels showed "interest" in doing so.
Well, in all honesty, this region is a frontier region what this means is that this like one of the default spawning regions. So the thousands of nations here may not actually be real members and will move on.So member loss is largely not a result of current events but rather nations simply leaving the region that they were created in.
Post by Wingland suppressed by Inner Kilvaka.
FREE THE SAHARA
Just wanted to remind anyone who is currently making critiques about the region please remember to keep it civilized guys . Angry commentary won't do anything to improve the situation my dude (I haven't seen too many people doing this and I'm not calling anyone out, but I just wanted to give a quick reminder in general. I've seen these kind of things get out of hand sometimes. ) This region has gone through a lot, so let's keep it chill and not put the regional community through anything else by tuning on each other. :)
Inner Kilvaka
go to RMB page 14 i aint here to tell you alldayy what happenned
(im mostlly abstain after reading everything)
i still believe destroying GS is not the way ill join the WA
for better security
? I didnt ask anything?
ermm so you understand what happenned?
I know what happened today, there was a raid thats why I was saying all that mate.If youre talking about how the current leadership came to be, its an aspect of nation states, the current leadership is legitimate. If you dont like it, dont set up the region that way. I honestly dont get why people keep making a big deal out of it. Its starting to get a bit annoying.
Edited because I didnt know what he was referring to at first.
read my previous post i never said i was against the current leadership i said i was abstain alright?
i even said i would rather protect it than destroy it.
just read above mate, this is all a misunderstanding
Also correction 2 raids that happenned
Well, in that case, I apologize, I didnt mean to offend you. Im just starting to get a bit annoyed.
Chipsi
dont worry, none taken
Isle Canin Sweria
Not to nitpick however there was 1 raid that happened (the one by Squirrels and the Brotherhood of Malice), and 1 that was attempted but failed (by the traitors of Free Sahara and a few groups of noob raiders).
Wannabezinyo, Inner Kilvaka, Isle Canin Sweria
Hello guys what's up how was it going so far?
Wannabezinyo
Hey everyone! I'm a longtime player trying to get back into NS. I saw that you guys are a pretty big region, so I thought I'd join this. I read the RMB, I can't believe you got raided, filthy raiders.
Wannabezinyo
I've been scrolling it for a while trying to find decent regions, most are too big, but this one seems nice and quiet. Althought for 500 people a bit too quiet.
If anybody endorses me I'll endorse them back! And if anybody needs help with the region pls let me know
Oh, and when will elections take place?
Post by True Saharan Patriot 6 suppressed by Beauty School Dropout.
We are not traitors
And it was not a raid
You stole the election from us, and if thats a legitimate way of gaining power such as Isle Canin Sweria implied, then the raid was also legitimate.
To add to these injustices, we were promised a fair trial two months ago now, and yet we are yet to receive one.
At worst, we are disillusioned rebels awaiting trial
At best, we are heroes of democracy fighting an uphill battle
Neither are traitors. We have always fought for the ideals of democracy, we have never tried to sell out our country to foreign raiders no matter how much you try to argue so in your propaganda.
You banned all political opponents to solidify power, and expect us not to be angry. Of course were angry; that doesnt make us traitors. In fact, I would even go so far as to suggest that you are the traitor.
i can see that...
Isle Canin Sweria
Those free Saharans man 🤦♂️ *for those who dont have apple that emoji is a head with his hands covering his face in exasperated expression* Im just glad that we have been able to keep fending off these guys. But also at the same time it proves that we are able and capable of defending ourselves as a region so at least theres that silver lining.
Beauty School Dropout
I do wonder what they think they will accomplish by demanding a trial in between bouts of spreading propaganda, spamming our regional message board, slandering our administration, and plotting with invaders, all while refusing to acknowledge any wrongdoing. Those are the actions of a group that wishes revenge for a perceived wrong, not justice.
Wannabezinyo, Lave Deldederady, Beauty School Dropout, Isle Canin Sweria, The Amongusi
I agree with you, but we should also hold that trial soon as a democracy, we have to show that we respect the rights of others (even if its criminals) They were still members of the region and should have a right to a trial. *Although it might be best to hold it when we cool down a bit. This would also be a great way to show to them that we are not what they believe we are.
*Once again, I am going to say that we should be careful not to hurt anyones real world feelings. Everyone here , playing this game is a person, we dont know what their tolerances are for things so lets keep that in mind. We cant let anger make us say anything that we would regret later IRL. It can be easy to let your emotions run away in game like this. Lets please keep perspective.
I have never been opposed to extending a trial to those traitors who wish one. In fact, I myself filed the paperwork to do so as soon as the judicial branch had been established. However, I am opposed to kowtowing to a group that insists on slandering, assaulting, and spamming us at every opportunity. Lave and I have discussed the subject at length, and we have agreed on this: when Free Sahara ceases its childish attacks and plots to take over, then - and only then - will they be afforded a trial. As you said, it is wise to wait until our own region is secure before a trial, and they are by default a security risk until they disavow their plots and schemes. It has never been my intention to cause distress or real-world emotional conflict - only to preserve the stability and peace of the Greater Sahara.
Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
Yeah, Im just worried about it happening because it sometimes it can happen in things like these. But you are right the spamming they are doing, and the raids is not making them any more favourable. And you definitely make a good point about not bending to them ,it would definitely only encourage them.
Inner Kilvaka
Public Statement from the Office of the President of the Republic:
To my friends and fellow citizens of Greater Sahara,
A few minutes ago, at 12:36 PM on June 9th of 2023, I have made a formal request with the Chief Justice to open a referendum on becoming a Stronghold. The motion was seconded by Vice President Inner Kilvaka at 12:37 PM. I will have a post soon regarding my reasoning for this and how I will be voting. This referendum will be open to established citizens of the Greater Sahara.
Pax Sahara,
-Madam President
Volstrostia, Falafelandia, Inner Kilvaka, Poopingistan, Isle Canin Sweria
I am back man I missed this region
Wannabezinyo, Inner Kilvaka
I oppose this measure at this time.
At the moment there is one pressing issue that needs to be resolved first: What do we have to offer besides some political positions?
This, and regional security, should be the issues to be addressed... but being a Stronghold without a stronger identity is a recipe for quick obscurity.
We do need to do that as a Frontier, too, but now we still have some breathing room. That will quickly go out as a Stronghold.
After that, the issue of governorship needs to be addressed if a Stronghold is seen as the desired outcome.
Stupid Wa
We can't trust no one it's our fault we let him have power but we need an army now
Governorship would likely be passed to whoever is First Minister, and upon the conclusion of the term, it would be passed to whoever is elected First Minister next.
As for security, becoming a stronghold will grant us the security we need to allow greater liberties, such as the dissolving of endorsement caps (which I know is a topic many people are invested in) and even supporting our allies, without weakening ourselves at the same time.
Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
what do you mean by regional obscurity? we have a lot of nations, but most of them don't interact with us or anyone. it's a newer region, one that until days ago didn't have any idea what raiding was or how it could affect us.
i think that it is hard to focus on a region if we're constantly dealing with things like raiders and whatever smear campaigns that free sahara keeps pushing. a stronghold doesn't have to worry about raids. it's that simple. we could focus on working on the region without watching our backs against invasions.
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
So... what's the endorsement caps for citizens (even though I"m not a citizen, im just wondering).
The endorsement cap for everyone, citizen or not, is currently 9.
Wannabezinyo, Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
I have recently had The Armed Republic of SLA HQ Try to get me turn on the greater Sahara by saying how The Republic of Lave Deldederady allowed to the spy in and wanted me to help overthrow the Greater Sahara. I want others to be informed about this person and not to fall under their spell of lies.
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady, Beauty School Dropout, Isle Canin Sweria
Thank you for alerting us to this, we are looking into it.
Would you be able to telegram me the message they sent to you?
Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
Post self-deleted by Macaroni Kingdom.
Pax Sahara!
I personally think this is a good idea, because as a strong hold we would no longer have to deal with issues of raids and coups. We have gone through enough chaos and conflict in just this week alone. We can still hold democratic elections in different ways that will still allow the region to remain a strong democracy.
Pax Sahara!
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady, Beauty School Dropout
Now that I think about it, how do we become a fortress region? I thought that's impossible if the original founder doesn't have exec? Did the update change something?
Lave Deldederady
Ok.
Lave Deldederady
My understanding is that the World Assembly delegate - that is, the President of the Republic - will be able to initiate the transition instead.
Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
Thank you! That makes sense.
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady
I don't think you can change the region type if you are a WA Delegate
What in the fresh hell happened here?
Post by Foo Enie Istaland suppressed by Lave Deldederady.
Respectfully, I would like your sources for that. It isnt spam. We occasionally make posts spreading the truth, but it is spread out.
And for it to be slander, it has to be untrue
[spoiler]https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1871299[/spoiler]
Entirely in good faith and entirely earnestly, I would love if one of you would read this dispatch and prove anything there wrong. It is all true. And if it were false, why wouldnt you prove it so instead of suppressing it?
As aforementioned, we arent slandering. Our objections to Lave Deldederadys reign are based on the fact that it was unconstitutional and authoritarian to begin with. Those are both true. And if Laves method of taking power is legitimate, then so is the raid. But by all means, the raid was illegitimate. The only issue is that would make Lave Deldederady illegitimate as well.
The elites are taking away our identity as the second ever frontier to receive spawns, as one of the first ever frontiers, instead consolidating their power even further. Dont allow this to happen! Greater Sahara should remain a frontier!
Now, on an unrelated note, but still on the topic of Free Sahara, and of a free trial;
Free Saharas only wishes are:
The removal of endorsement caps on natives;
To stop banning and suppressing people purely due to their political opinions (as in, not irl politics, but pro/anti Free Sahara, pro/anti Lave Deldederady, etc,.);
To unban people who were banned for the prior reasons, that being unban the people who were banned purely due to opposing Laves regime (such as Stalanup, Rainbowstaria, Acornesia, and many many others)
Now, does that really seem so outrageous to you? Is this worth continuing to oppress us for? We are not some bloodthirsty, authoritarian raiders; we just want to return to our home region without fear of being banjected just because we dont support Madam Presidents newest policy.
Post by Foo Enie Istaland suppressed by Lave Deldederady.
I look forward to further cooperation between the Saharas; one day maybe we can finally settle this disagreement via an agreeable peace deal.
Post self-deleted by Foo Enie Istaland.
Hey everyone, the referendum has started! Make sure to send your vote to https://www.nationstates.net/region=greater_saharan_ballot_box!!
Lave Deldederady
Allow me to break my normal policy of simply ignoring and suppressing your propaganda - you have made at least some effort to be civil, so I will afford you the same courtesy.
The reason we do not work to "prove anything wrong" is because we have already made our case. The facts of the matter speak for themselves. To continue to argue in circles would only waste time better spent constructing the region. After all, do you really expect a dispatch labeled "The Tyrant Delegate" is honestly made in good faith?
You cannot simultaneously claim that there should be no restrictions placed on the granting or revoking of endorsements (i.e., claiming that the endorsement cap is unconstitutional) while simultaneously claiming Lave Deldederady "illegitimately revoked an endorsement." It seems you only believe endorsements should be unregulated when it suits you. Further, you cannot claim that Lave is "illegitimate" for their choice of endorsement, while simultaneously crying out that your chosen figurehead, who has willingly and repeatedly cooperated with invaders (https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=52429236, https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=52430169, https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=52421338, https://www.nationstates.net/region=saharan_liberation_army) is not illegitimate, despite doing everything you accuse Lave of and more besides. Your "argument" moves the goalposts multiple times before you even finish making it. That is why we do not argue with you - because it is painfully obvious that you will not stop twisting the facts into a version that soothes your own ego.
As for "taking away the identity of the region" I would argue it is a far more pressing threat that an invading force, like your friends in Free Sahara, will try to take away our regions identity. Come what may, Greater Sahara will always be Greater Sahara - nothing anyone can do can ever take that away. But if we allow ourselves to be exposed to the risk of invasion, then it will fade away as nothing more than a husk of itself when someone inevitably comes to wage war.
Finally, you argue against the very thing that would grant your demands. A stronghold would remove the risk associated with endorsements entirely - meaning endorsement caps can be dissolved. It would ensure an invasion could not succeed, which means that granting invaders the chance to amend their ways is a very easy decision to make, rather than something that can only be safely extended from time to time.
I have never held issue with healthy dissent, or with disagreements - I feel that some of my finest work has been done because people have disagreed with my ideas, and shown me a better way. But there is a difference between disagreement and attempting to destabilize a region. If your goal is truly the removal of native endorsement caps, the availability of trial to each and every single person who wishes one regardless of crime, and the ability to speak freely? Then I am in agreement with you. Those are worthy goals. But this is not what you do. You scheme in Free Sahara to wage war, you send puppets to fill our message board with misleading information, you actively work against the security of the region.
I, too, would like to reach an agreeable peace deal. But make no mistake - Free Sahara is the instigator. You and your few peers are single-handedly the ones responsible for this failure to cooperate. Do we send telegrams to your people, preaching our point of view? Do we make posts labelled "Acornesia: The Rebel Scum"? Do we send waves of puppets to your message boards? No. We would be happy to leave you well enough alone - which is why we do. If Free Sahara were willing to embrace the possibility of diplomatic reparations, to set aside their schemes and campaigns against the Greater Sahara, and to learn to recognize when they are doing themselves more harm than good, then I see no reason why our respective leaders could not consider some means to resolve things peacefully. But it seems that you are not, as evidenced by your very presence.
So if you truly wish to see peace between our regions, this is what I advise - not order, but suggest - you do.
You will go to your people in Free Sahara and advocate for peace. Free Sahara will stop all its pointless attacks, from plotting invasions, to sending puppets to our region, to the propaganda "Radio Free Sahara" broadcasts. You will stop attempting to sabotage the Greater Sahara. These are not unreasonable actions if you wish peace - what would be unreasonable is allowing invaders to roam free through our region, promising they want peace but never stopping the war only they wish to see continued.
I will not respond to any other comments from you on this matter. My intent is not to start a debate, because I will not debate with a representative of an organization that has done nothing but attempt to harm us. I simply feel a clarification on some common talking points is long overdue.
Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
Pax Sahara.
A lofty goal, stylized after the Pax Romana - a great period of peace in ancient Rome. It is no small task to seek emulated, but we noble citizens of the Greater Sahara have never backed down from a challenge, nor shied away from adversity. To me, Pax Sahara means peace. True peace. That is the goal I have sought to further every day in office. Peace amongst our diplomatic peers, peace amongst our citizens, peace even between regions that oppose us openly. It was never my intention to become involved in conflict, but conflict found us anyway. That must end. And with your help, it will.
As a frontier, we have always been in a precarious position. But now we have a golden opportunity to change that forever, and solidify our defenses and security to the point where we need not fear for ourselves and our safety ever again. As you may have heard, we have opened a referendum to ask the people about their thoughts on making Greater Sahara a stronghold. This will eliminate that precariousness and instability, and replace it with strength and security. As a stronghold, we will no longer be beholden to endorsements to determine who is in charge. No matter what happens - an invasion attempt, spies in our midst, or other threats we have not seen, we will remain safe. We will remain secure. As we are no longer forced to watch our backs for foes at all hours, we gain our freedoms. Endorsements will no longer be dangerous weapons of sedition, so endorsement caps will be dissolved in their entirety - you can collect as many as you please.
We will no longer need to fear enemies launching plots and surprise attacks, and so our avenues for diplomacy and trust will expand tenfold. We can cast aside our suspicion and distrust, and replace it with a welcoming embrace to any who may wish to meet us.
And if our allies, our cherished friends in other regions, should come under attack like we did? We will be free to send aide to them, and pay forward the kindness that they paid us in our hour of need, and avenge them and ourselves by casting out raiders like the ones that sought to harm us. We will have the ability to extend our help in troubled times, as we had help extended to us in our darkest hours.
As such, I urge each and every one of you to cast your vote today in favor of becoming a stronghold. By doing so, you will have contributed directly to our freedom, our advancement as a region, and the security of both us and our allies.
With your help, we can achieve a true Pax Sahara. With your help, we can achieve peace.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1893107
Inner Kilvaka, Isle Canin Sweria
Please make sure to only post your vote. No other information in your post please!! It will not count and I will suppress it!
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
My fellow citizens of the Greater Sahara,
I stand before you today on the eve of the most important decision the people and government of the Greater Sahara has ever made and ever will make.
In a unanimous decision made over several days, the Guardians have agreed that the best way forward for our security is to become a stronghold. But we would not be a democracy if we did not take into account the will of our citizens. In the coming days, I strongly urge each and everyone one of you to vote in favor of becoming a stronghold. I truly believe it is our best way forward for the Greater Sahara.
Becoming a stronghold will allow us to be safe - truly, fully safe, as strongholds are impossible to invade. Becoming the World Assembly delegate poses no danger to a stronghold, and so we will be able to remove the endorsement caps, once and for all, for everyone - resident and citizen alike. We will have no fear of attacks and evildoers, and as such will be free to dispense not only justice, but mercy, in a way that was up until now a fever dream. Leniency towards those who attempted to plot assaults against us has always been thought of as dangerous, for fear of the accused making further attacks. But as a stronghold is secure, there is no downside to offering second chances freely to all who may deserve them.
Since we will have no need for endorsements to keep ourselves secure, endorsement of the president will no longer be required for citizens. And with all those available endorsements, we can assemble an army, and extend our assistance in defense to those who find themselves the victims of an invasion.
All these and more, spell out one thing - freedom. Freedom from invasion, freedom from fear and mistrust, freedom to cast your endorsements however you see fit.
Not only will this enhance our freedom, but it will enhance our security - and not just ours, but that of our allies, as we will have the tools to render aide to those who need it.
I believe that becoming a stronghold will do all of this and more - it will raise the quality of life for every person involved, be they resident or citizen, foreign or domestic.
In the coming days, I ask that each and every one of you cast your vote in favor of becoming a stronghold.
Every vote counts, and with your help, we can make ourselves secure and greater than ever.
With your help, we can achieve peace.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1893110
To cast your ballot in favor of this decision, you can go to Greater Saharan Ballot Box and lodge a comment reading "Yes"
Do not add other content beyond your vote, or it will be disqualified. This is to prevent attempts to influence other voters.
This vote is only open to verified citizens to prevent voter fraud. Any votes made by non-citizens will not be counted.
Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
Why even reply to these propagandists?
they never listen
Lave Deldederady, Isle Canin Sweria
If even one reads what I have written and stops their assault on our region, then my words will not have been wasted.
If even one of our residents who was on the fence about abandoning us sees my response and decides not to join those who have made themselves our enemy, then I will have spent my time well.
Yes, it is true that I have yet to see any of the "Free Sahara" people convinced by anything other than their own rhetoric. That is why I am not inviting a debate around the discussion. But at the same time, the occasional clarification of my stance, and the official stance of the Greater Sahara, may help prevent others from falling prey to false claims. And if Free Sahara reads my thoughts on the matter, perhaps they may realize that we need not be enemies - there may yet be a peaceful resolution to our long conflict, if only they were willing to seek it.
Lave Deldederady, Chipsi, Isle Canin Sweria
Greater Sahara was made as a frontier, By changing to a stronghold, we are essentially just admitting defeat to the raiders by saying they have scared us into becoming one. My vote is no and i strongly recommend everyone vote it as well. I would rather have this region be a frontier with endorsement caps ( which everyone knows that i am VERY strongly against) than a stronghold without any. Greater Sahara should stay a frontier
Thank you.
You say you have already made your case, but I dont recall you ever disproving the factbook which recounts Lave Deldederadys rise to power. As for the dispatch, yes, it was made in good faith, so far as it was a legitimate argument against Lave Deldederadys rise to power, it was a legitimate complaint about her being a perceived authoritarian. By suppressing and banning everyone who posts it or disagrees with Lave Deldederady, you only further prove that the contents of the dispatch are true, and that Lave Deldederady is a tyrant.
Pardon me, but where in the dispatch does it say she illegitimately withdrew an endorsement? Thats right, no where. Thus, your point of us believing endorsements should only be regulated when it benefits us, although clever, is unfounded, and false. As for chosen figurehead, who do you refer to? New Pyeland? And their ideals, their revolutionary ideals, do not represent Free Sahara as a whole. Unlike Laves Sahara, we dont ban political opponents. Anyone can advocate for revolution, or reform. Someone could even go there and chant Pro-Lave slogans; they wouldnt be banned nor suppressed nor ejected. And we have not cooperated with invaders; those are all native Saharans campaigning and taking up arms. We were all founded here in this region, before we were expelled.
Free Sahara is not an invading force. We are native Saharans, as previously elaborated. And perhaps if Lave hadnt banned political opponents, there would be more loyal patriots willing to fight against a raid?
Transitioning to a stronghold would also forever cement Lave Deldederadys rule. It would turn this region into a benevolent dictatorship. Democracy can continue, but only if Lave feels like it. And as for the aforementioned moving the goalposts, its always Lave whos done that. Lave has continuously empowered themselves, each step of the way promising that this will lead to the Free Saharans being unbanned. You say that becoming a stronghold will allow us to be unbanned, but in reality, once you become a stronghold, youll come up with some excuse oh, if only they stopped openly expressing their views, maybe then we wouldve unbanned them, and you wont actually do it.
If you are in agreement with our goals, then do it. Simply unban us and let us speak freely. This IS ENTIRELY WHAT WE WANT. This is truly and wholeheartedly the only things we wish for. If you are in full agreement, just do it! We only destabilize the region, scheme to wage war, send puppets to spread misinformation, (and all of the aforementioned are false), because WE HAVE TO! This is a circular argument! This is a fallacy!
If all you wanted was basic rights, then wed agree with you entirely! But thats not all you want because you keep campaigning for basic rights! You claim to agree with our demands; then how come they are not true? If you agree with unbanning us, granting us fair trial, and allowing us to speak our mind, how come we are not allowed? Even if there is some ulterior, malicious motive; you dont need to agree with our groups ideals a whole! You can agree with the individual parts that you do agree with, that being basic rights, and disagree with the malicious parts! Unless you are admitting to the slippery slope fallacy?
We are not the instigator; you are not leaving us alone! You are treating us like foreigners, which completely misunderstands the point; leaving us to rot in Free Sahara while not letting anyone show sympathy to our movement is not leaving us alone! We want to come back to our homeland, and we want people to be free to express their sympathy towards us!
We are willing to open diplomatic negotiations immediately. And since you say you wont respond to this RMB message, we wont respond either. If you are true, and we shall soon see if you are true to your words; then as soon as we go silent, as soon as we stop conspiring, you will open negotiations. And that moment is now. As soon as I finish writing this post.
We are entirely willing to peace, however we will not cease to produce Radio Free Sahara broadcasts. We believe in a right to free speech and we will use that right to freely speak. We wont spam the RMB with the latest issues, but we will still publish them.
Now, good day to the rest of you here. I hope you can manage to see the logic in my counterarguments.
To lighten things up maybe we can do things like weekly fun polls? And maybe make a office like a morale officer?
Lave Deldederady
Post self-deleted by Inner Kilvaka.
Peace talks with the leader of Free Sahara are underway.
Wert
I believe that would be filed under the duties of the Minister of the Interior, which is currently a vacant position. There was a time we did daily or weekly fun polls, but I am not sure why we stopped. Thank you for the suggestions.
Lave Deldederady
If anyone has ideas for polls feel free to suggest them! :3
I've thought long and hard about this since it was first suggested that we make our region a fortress. Wert's stance really made me pause, so I decided to sleep on it before I lodged my vote.
My way of looking at it is, we don't have to be a fortress forever. We're in great danger, we've been raided once already. We need to shore up our defenses and give back to the communities who came to us in our time of need. I don't want to lose what makes our home special, but if we lose our home, then that's already gone.
I urge you all to help us secure our borders while the wolves are at the door, so we can one day open them when we're prepared!
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady
If the grass wasnt green, what color would you want it to be? red, orange, yellow, blue, purple, black, or white?
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady
Breaking News: The TRUST pact between the Greater Sahara and Free Sahara has been signed!
Following extensive peace talks with Acornesia, the TRUST pact has been signed, bringing peace and unity to Greater Sahara, and offering all Free Saharans a second chance to participate in the Greater Sahara. This is one of the single greatest events in Greater Saharan history, and I applaud the leaders of Free Sahara for their willingness to help us bring it about, for the betterment of all.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1893864
Wannabezinyo, Lave Deldederady
I guess I'm back over here now
Wannabezinyo, Lave Deldederady
Its good to be back 😌
The Democracy Of Red Star, Wannabezinyo, Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady
Welcome back home
Acornesia, Lave Deldederady
I guess its nice
Lave Deldederady
Grass is already yellow in some places and is closest to green, easiest to get used to
The Democracy Of Red Star
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I was only here to investigate claims of suppression and my only goal was free speach. I accept that I am guilty, however I simply did these things due to the suppression of posts. It may not be good reasoning, but it is reasoning. my sincerest apalogies to any I mildly annoyed. I think this is a good region with good people. I don't know if I may stay here, but my region, The Republic Of Cyland, crashed, burned, and died in my absence. I am not a native, do not expect to be treated as such. If you guys accept this apology, see ya later, and if not, have a nice region reunification!
Ever hear of wheat? obviously yellow. dead and dry drass makes good animal feed.
Hello, I am the DRS I am the former joint president of free Sahara I will maybe moving on from the region , although I will attend the plea-bargaining. My puppet and spy Isle Canin Sweria Will be permanently archived in free Sahara or Deep Storage
Uh guys. What is this grass?
Lave Deldederady
It tastes like lemon just don't question it here have some Neon red water
Lave Deldederady, Crepublan
All votes for the referendum have been counted and verified! Yes has won 9-3!! Greater Sahara will become a stronghold!!
Lave Deldederady
RIP the first ever independent frontier and second ever frontier to receive spawns..
Just an abservation:
With us here, it will be slightly more difficult to raid than a region split. I, honestly, find that as the only problem I have with this transfer. They can't raid us if Lave has more endorsments than them!
The Democracy Of Red Star, Acornesia
Also:
Remember not to endorse a certain suspicious squirell!
And defenders will come help us again if we do actually need it, but I doubt well need it again.
Though Im reluctant for Greater Sahara to become a stronghold, I am prepared to under the assumption that in the future we will hold another referendum to revert back to frontier
Greater Chicati
I'm glad that the Greater Sahara and the Free Sahara are getting along.
Lave Deldederady, Beauty School Dropout
hi. been busy last week.
good that the region is together again!
welcome back!
New Pyeland, Wannabezinyo, Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady, Beauty School Dropout
Oh boy I love fighting corruption!
Lave Deldederady
Discord won't work for me
Lave Deldederady
I will not be seeking another term in the Gbara during the upcoming election
Inner Kilvaka, Lave Deldederady
I gotta work on mine, I seem to always take my nation in the wrong direction with issues though u.u
It was great having you in the Gbara :3
New Pyeland
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I somehow made my economy good by leveraging tourism with my amazing environment! SWmall sacrafices are necesary to defeat corruption, but they wil be easy to remake! I am just good at managing several things at the same time without even noticing it. Good luck on fighting corruption! Devolution tends to help remove corruption with minimal decreases on other things.
I am perfectly ok with the stronghold, as long it is only until the threat of invasion is over, and change back over starts right then.
Inner Kilvaka
I'm trying to make a lyric chain. If you want to join, search 55 days at peking lyric, go on any site that is not google, and find the next set of lyrics. Up to two lines.
Just trying to give the chat something to talk about!
The year was 1900, tis' worth remembering,
those who lived through 55 days at peking
Time to challenge some people! I love farming points!
Can I reaply for citizenship?
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