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Region: Greater Sahara
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THIS PROVES THAT EVEN BEFORE THE "COUP" THAT THEY WANTED TO BAN ACORN
wow i cant believe this
The Symorthe
over 5 hours before the "coup" you didnt care what happened you were gonna ban them anyway
Anarkiyastan
By the time this conversation occurred, the endorsement cap had been passed into law, which meant that Acornesia was illegally harboring endorsements in excess of the cap.
No no no you got caught
no more bs from now on
Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe
So, what you're saying is, there was some discussions about potentially having a kind of endorsement cap, so clearly this is proof that no endorsement cap of any kind was desired?
Besides, regardless of public opinion, legislature passed by the World Assembly Delegate is law so long as the legislative branch has not convened.
So, Acornesia broke the law regarding the endorsement caps, staged a coup, and was banned for it, and somehow this is the fault of the previous and current delegates?
I propose removing the endorsement cap when i become a legislature
Funny how you change arguments when you start losing. The argument before was Acornesia didnt go through the legal process to get elected! Instead of earning endorsements (which implies endorsements are legal to begin with), he did a foreign invasion!
now, its changed to endorsements were illegal to begin with!
Anyway, an endorsement cap contradicts the constitution which says people are elected via game mechanics. That can never happen if theres an endorsement cap. Even if Acorns endorsements were illegal by the law you dictatorially passed, the majority still supported him
Rainbowstaria
There was no coup. He was about to be elected freely and fairly.
The Symorthe
Once again, you have missed the point. The sole purpose of the endorsement cap was to keep things stable until legislatorial elections finished. By the time you could propose to remove the cap, the cap would already be gone, having served its purpose.
He is just justifying his firend lave at this point i feel theyre just biased friends
instead of actually agreeing with eachother
Anarkiyastan
And the united states constitution says the president shall be elected by vote, but then disbars felons from voting. That is not a contradiction.
what?
yes, thats not a contradiction. So youre UNIRONICALLY saying, the constitution says the delegate is democratically elected, but then disbars everyone from voting for anyone else except the delegate, isnt a contradiction?
our constitution is much more different than the american one
and you as the poster of it its very ironic how you excuse someone breaking it
Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe
but the delegate was about to change and lave was scared of loseing it, he knew that the election would take a while so he made a law that kept him and only him in power long enought for that by the time endo caps were removed, he would already have waty more enedorsements than the second person in the region
Anarkiyastan
As I have said so many times I've lost count, the purpose of the endorsement cap is merely to ensure governmental stability while the legislative branch forms - rapidfire changes in power without an elected legislative branch would be disastrous to getting anything done.
So keep in mind im not attacking you just pointing out bs
Im not here to conspire i just see the wrongdoings of 2 people i point it out simple as that
The Symorthe
even more disastrous if a bad delegate like the current one decided to make a tyrannical regime and have a huge reign
Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe
And yet you remain an ardent supporter of an individual who violated regional law and attempted to weaponize their position to stage a revolt.
bro there was never a revolt you guys just wanted an excuse to ban Acornesia
no i dont support them just that the ban was unfair
you villanizing a human being is hilarious
and you constantlly ranting and repeating is straight up nuts
The Symorthe
The level of denial on display is astounding. Acornesia used puppets to attempt to spring themselves into delegacy, after harboring endorsements far beyond the allowed maximum under regional law, refused to cooperate on entering into compliance, and otherwise totally failed to behave diplomatically before resorting to brute force. Why you support their actions is beyond me.
All they did was attempt to be elected because they didnt support your government. What you did is the equivalent of banning political opponents on the basis of needing stability.
The Symorthe
those werent their puppets and you cant have more than one WA nation so they could not have used those nations to endorse themselfves
Anarkiyastan
Then you will be delighted to know, as I have said, that the legislative branch is set to convene soon, and the ban is one of the many matters on the table. But, like I said, the region needs to be stable before then, which Acornesias actions have done nothing to assist.
Post by Anarkiyastan suppressed by Inner Kilvaka.
This is .so untrue, weve already disproven the puppets part. And the endorsements were democratic, the endorsement cap was an excuse to hold on to power.
The Symorthe
Im done arguing for now. I think weve proved our point.
The Symorthe
You haven't disproven a thing, you've just stuck your head in the sand when the reasoning of the decision was spelled out for you time and again.
no idea what the hell you mean this is an argument not a political argument, then you are delighted to know that you are not gaining anyones word no one believes you and everyone hate the current delegate, i wont respond further
Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe
Yes we have disproven it, the majority of the people here would agree with that, all 3/4 pargiciants of this discussion except you agree that weve disproved you.
The Symorthe
This is an argument about politics. I think it qualifies as a political argument.
I do not care if you like me or not. The facts are the facts, and your refusal to recognize them as such means nothing.
As I said though, Im done.
Wats your favorite flavor of apple? Green, yellow or red?
The Symorthe
I have a better poll idea that is actually an interesting one. unlike "what is your fave color"
If the grass wasn't green, what color would you want it to be?
red one by far
who wants me to bring my main wich is unbannable?
bcs the amount of inluence
The Symorthe
No, regional influence and game influence are different
Green for me. Its more bitter
Lol
Well ill begoing i hope the worthless of Inner Kilvaka stops with the bs and grows up as a person
Inner Kilvaka, The Symorthe
bye :).
sooooo do any of you play chess?
I do!
The Symorthe
Gasteiya is ranked 123,630th in the world and 40th in Greater Sahara for Most Valuable International Artwork, with 0.06 Bank.
Wait what
The Symorthe
its true, Lave discussed banning you andFirst Nightmare from going over endorsement cap, EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS WERE NOT ONLINE AND COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT
Astarter
Seriously why does everybody just talk in discord
Why didn't anybody tell me about this? Why do you have to ban them, why not just tell people to unedrose for a little so we can get stable it isn't hard, smh.
Rainbowstaria, The Symorthe
because the idiocy and cowardy of the ones who dont agree with them but haver bannedphobia
Astarter, The Symorthe
I only even had like, four endorsements, doesn't Leave have like, 10?
I am far below the endorsement cap so.
Voting opened 23 hours ago and closed 11 hours ago. Open to all WA member nations.
That was a 12 hour poll. Bad idea.
Also please calm down a bit, everyone?
Astarter, The Symorthe
at one point you were not apparenty
The lengths they took to enworse our region is absurd
Astarter, The Symorthe
I didn't want to run, I voted no.
But others might have, and 12 hours are too short.
The Symorthe
My thoughts, why tf a 12 hour poll, that's like an entire time someone's asleep in some places
in the discord, some wanted it to just be six hours of registrations
Astarter
Tf, that's like, barring everyone from the eastern hemisphere to vote 💀
The Symorthe
it also gives the people who did manage to vote a greater chance of being elected, which is just wrong
Astarter
gosh everyone is unendorsing the wrong people
the one you unendorse is lave goddamn it
Astarter, The Symorthe
I really do suggest unendosring lave
As I seem to remember, citizens are free to endorse or unendorse whomever they please. Wasn't that what you were arguing for earlier?
hypocrite
Well yes but also we dont say yes to tyranny so
yes im inconsistent but it just looks like you point out a wrongdoing even though youve already exposed yourself prior
Which is why it was decided against. We decided 12 hours would provide a healthy balance between establishing a full government as quickly as possible, while extending the opportunity to vote as far as practical.
we literally have evidense that lave was planning on banning Acornesia even before the so called "coup"
https://i.imgur.com/yFAu0jC.png
over four hours before the "coup"
The World Assembly Delegate is within their rights to take disciplinary action against any nation not in compliance with the regional rules, especially while there is no other officer who is able to do so.
But most people are still asleep or busy in that time, why not just extend it to a day? That's still not enough time because I didn't even see the poll
XD by preventing them from becomeing the rightful leader to the region, they had more endoremenst
Astarter
also the welcome telegram was a massive downgrade from mine like WTF
Astarter, Anarkiyastan
Hello and Welcome The Symorthe to NationStates and to our wonderful Greater Sahara!
Please make sure to join the World Assembly by the button on the left hand portion of the screen and endorse me at the bottom of my nation page to ensure our continued security. Please read our wonderful World Fact Entry for more information about the region!
-Delegate Lave Deldederady
Astarter
The rightful leader is decided by the game mechanic, not by a manual tally. The game, and noone but the game, had the final say, and the final say was that Lave would remain delegate. By all counts, their continued delegacy is legitimate according to the constitution.
Greetings!
It is my pleasure to welcome you to the Greater Sahara, one of the first frontier regions in NationStates!
We hope that your time in our region will be filled with excitement, discovery, and growth. Whether you are an experienced player or a newcomer to the game, we know that you will find something here that will captivate your imagination and inspire you to reach new heights.
Here are three highly recommend steps to help start your journey in Greater Sahara and increase regional security:
Step One: Go to The World Assembly And hit apply to join! Make sure to follow the steps given in the email!
Step Two: Go to this link and hit the "Endorse Wert" button
Step Three: Introduce yourself in our RMB!
Please do not hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions or concerns. We are here to support you in your endeavors and to help make your experience in the NationStates as memorable as possible.
Once again, welcome to Greater Sahara. We are honored to have you as a member of our community.
Best regards,
Wert
Delegate of Greater Sahara
Astarter
Exactly, the rightful delegate is decided by game mechanic. Acornesia wouldve received delegacy by the game mechanic if not banned
Astarter, The Symorthe
Okay, I will concede that is a better welcome telegram, no argument there.
Astarter, The Symorthe
LIKE AT LEAST DONT REPLACE THE WELCOME TELEGRAM< WHICH IS THE FIRST THING NEW NATIONS SEE when they join the game with something that is low effort
This is confusing first you say you need ellections to become a delegate, now you agree with the constitution he jut broke?
Astarter, The Symorthe
But they did not.
The delegate was within their rights to ban Acornesia.
The game, when it tallied endorsements, found Lave to be the rightful delegate.
I fail to see how these things invalidate each other. The game mechanic certified Lave as the true delegate, and that is the only consideration in the constitution in how the delegate is decided.
THATS BECAUSE HE BANNED ACORN BEFORE THE UPDATE PENDED GIVEING NO TIME FOR THE GAME MECHANICS TO WORK ITS COURSE
The delegate was not within their rights to ban Acornesia. Acornesia did nothing wrong, your argument about a coup is entirely propagandist and proven to be false multiple times
The Symorthe
The elections are done through the game mechanic. The game mechanic found Lave to be the delegate. Therefore, Lave won the election. The math is that simple. If you take issue with how the game decides endorsements are to be calculated, I refer you to the people who made nationstates.
No, thats not true. Lave rigged the election by banning the person who wouldve won.
The Symorthe
What? But acrornesia would've gotten the delegate and......... Eh???
Wouldn't wert be the rightful delegate then??? Since the game decided him first????
The Symorthe
Acornesia violated the endorsement cap, and refused to cooperate. The endorsement cap was set forth in law in the same way as the constitution, through the approval of the delegate. Ergo, Acornesia broke regional law.
I swear, if Inner Kilvaka starts saying rigging the delegacy vote isnt against the constitution, thatll be hilarious.
The Symorthe
A few days ago, when wert had the most endorsements, yes. However, as of last night, the winner was Lave, and so Lave became the delegate. Same thing happened this morning - Lave still had the most endorsements of all the nations in the region, and so became the delegate.
yall would have murdered me if i set an endorsement cap, its clear you are only backing him becuase he gave you powers
Astarter
If I could rig the code that decides how delegates are decided, I'd make myself delegate and put and end to this nonsense.
The endorsement is a violation of the constitution, though. And Acornesia was within his rights to run against Lave on the basis of Lave being a bad delegate, something which the majority clearly agreed with.
The legality of the situation is irrelevant, anyway. What matters is that its undemocratic, and we dont like that.
The Symorthe
But you banned Acrornesia before he could win
Anarkiyastan, The Symorthe
BUT ACORN WAS OVER HIS ENDORSEMENTS! MEANING THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DELEGATE IF THEY WERNT BANNED
Astarter, Anarkiyastan
The constitution makes no guarantees that no endorsement caps will be levied.
As for the accusations of undemocratic elections, that is another matter. I recognize that the events leave a sour taste in many peoples mouths, but they are legitimate. Like I said, the priority in government right now is to establish the foundations from which further progress towards a true democracy can be made.
also the discord link doesnt work btw so that prevents nations from seeing how to get a say in the reigon
Just because rigging the election is legal doesnt mean we like it, and doesnt change our reaction to it.
The Symorthe
And yet, Acornesia was not chosen to be the delegate. "Coulda-shoulda-woulda" means nothing to the algorithm that decides the delegacy.
And we dont care about the algorithm. We care about you banning Acornesia right before the update to prevent his ascension.
Astarter, The Symorthe
because yall power hungry pigs wanted to prevent yourselves from losing power
Astarter
You are welcome to be displeased. You are not, however, welcome to claim it is illegitimate. As I have stated, the laws in place mean that what happened was entirely legal and within Lave's authority to do, meaning they are the legitimate delegate.
Yes I can claim its illegitimate. I can claim that as much as I want.
Astarter, The Symorthe
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