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Saint Gloria wrote:does anyone know when N-day starts or did I just miss it?

N-day is, unfortunately, probably not happening this year.

Saint Gloria

Grater Tovakia wrote:Continuity of goverment is the reason I belive.

I was thinking I wanted to have it spread out in either direction. I had a few requests for 2nd floor and a few for the top floor and it just kinda worked out that way.

Grater Tovakia wrote:Continuity of goverment is the reason I belive.

Oh, I like your answer better. I think I'll start using that.

Karbachav wrote:N-day is, unfortunately, probably not happening this year.

Why?

I've been here a while as you all know. I've been keeping a low profile most of this whole time. I think I'm ready to step out of the shadows though. I am actively seeking a job here in this region.

Unike, Atkemri, Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic, Grater Tovakia, Legoa, Tri-Galleon Yudobya

I’ve just been thinking about NS for the past few days, and I just got an email about my apocalypse. Working to make sure that doesn’t happen. How is everyone?

Unike, Sea View, Buryasia, Chrysanthemum Corporation

Good, It is generally advisable to make sure the apocalypse does not occur.

Buryasia, Bluximburg, Okla-Texas

Hey Okla-Tex. Since you're back, for the moment at least, maybe you'll enjoy your new office in our HQ!

https://imgur.com/a/cx0azwg

Bonnie Blue Republic, Sea View, Bluximburg, Okla-Texas

Fanter Kesh wrote:I've been here a while as you all know. I've been keeping a low profile most of this whole time. I think I'm ready to step out of the shadows though. I am actively seeking a job here in this region.

Perhaps you could find out what happened to the N-day?

Buryasia wrote:Hey Okla-Tex. Since you're back, for the moment at least, maybe you'll enjoy your new office in our HQ!

https://imgur.com/a/cx0azwg

Nice to know I can stop by the other nations on the way to my office!

Bonnie Blue Republic, Sea View, Buryasia

So how is everybody?

Unike, The Cincinnatus Republic

Grater Tovakia wrote:So how is everybody?
Tomorrow's Friday, so that's a thing.

Unike, Sea View, Buryasia

Ugh I can't think of poll ideas any suggestions?

Are you on the AA discord. Thats the poll question

Unike wrote:Ugh I can't think of poll ideas any suggestions?

I saw some posted over on the International Debate Area: Debate Topics

Unike

Post self-deleted by Dancenia.

Unike wrote:Ugh I can't think of poll ideas any suggestions?

Is football:

a) A game you play with your feet,

b) A game with quarterbacks, wide receivers, tackles, etc.,

or c) Unimportant either way?

Unike, Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, Sea View, Jzharko, Legoa

Music curriculum should be:

a) an extra-curricular activity that students do independently and shouldn't be in the school courses; a hobby with no business in school.

b) curriculum schools should provide as an option for students.

c) absolutely essential and should be made mandatory.

d) other

Unike, Legoa

I bring you greetings from Potidaea.

Atkemri, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Legoa, Tri-Galleon Yudobya

Jzharko wrote:Music curriculum should be:

a) an extra-curricular activity that students do independently and shouldn't be in the school courses; a hobby with no business in school.

b) curriculum schools should provide as an option for students.

c) absolutely essential and should be made mandatory.

d) other

I think "b" because every student is not musically inclined.

Buryasia, Legoa

How in the world is the current WA proposal a thing?

The WA is attempting to overstep their bounds, big time.

Sea View

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:How in the world is the current WA proposal a thing?

The WA is attempting to overstep their bounds, big time.

The bigger question is how in the world the WA managed to make a liberal proposal that is not getting 75+% of the vote.

EDIT: Siwale just voted for it. Shoot.

Also, can everyone endorse Bluximburg for about 24 hours to assist in getting this bill defeated?

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia

I would like your opinions on something: on of my issues has given me an option that would allow me to make sex legal again, but that would come at the cost of my cloning vats. I don't want sex to remain illegal in my nation, but I don't want to give up my cloning vats either. does anyone know what I can do in this situation, and if there might be an issue in the future that allows me to get the best of both worlds?

Mythel wrote:I would like your opinions on something: on of my issues has given me an option that would allow me to make sex legal again, but that would come at the cost of my cloning vats. I don't want sex to remain illegal in my nation, but I don't want to give up my cloning vats either. does anyone know what I can do in this situation, and if there might be an issue in the future that allows me to get the best of both worlds?
All I cam say is that NS issues never give you what you want/expect

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, Jzharko, Tri-Galleon Yudobya, Karbachav

The last WA proposal was invasive and annoying enough as it was, the fact that this one was even proposed blows my mind

Buryasia

Tri-Galleon Yudobya wrote:The last WA proposal was invasive and annoying enough as it was, the fact that this one was even proposed blows my mind

To be fair, this has been in the works for weeks by now.

I cant belive it is this close. WA is normaly landslides

Karbachav wrote:To be fair, this has been in the works for weeks by now.

Yeah :/

The WA is an organization dedicated to enforcing a common law in countries. This isn't overstepping boundaries that weren't already overstepped. This proposal is merely more controversial.

The WA should focus on laws that deal with international conduct, behavior, and cooperation. Constantly trying to legislate how individual countries conduct politics is a violation of national sovereignty.

They have done in the past resolutions that ban certain practices within a nation, have they not? (Not that I fully disagree with what you're saying.)

Jzharko wrote:They have done in the past resolutions that ban certain practices within a nation, have they not? (Not that I fully disagree with what you're saying.)

They have, but I'd like to see them try to enforce this...

Were it not required for my office, I'd quit the WA over this.

Sea View, Karbachav

The WA is dominated by left wing libertarians that uses it for their own social activism, it shouldn't really be surprising they proposed something like this

Atkemri

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:

Were it not required for my office, I'd quit the WA over this.

I would fully support a bylaw that allows non-WA members to retain their shareholder/government status. Just putting it out there.

Karbachav wrote:I would fully support a bylaw that allows non-WA members to retain their shareholder/government status. Just putting it out there.

I understand your point, but because it would weaken the delegate and not strengthen the region in any way I know of, I won't be writing such a bylaw while I'm CLO. I do keep an open mind if anyone wants to try to persuade me logically that I'm wrong.

As far as the WA proposal, I don't trust my government and its justice system with the death penalty, but I also don't trust any world government with the power to ban it. I voted against, along with everyone else in LE, so far.

It's pretty close, I hope everyone votes against.

Bonnie Blue Republic

Karbachav wrote:I would fully support a bylaw that allows non-WA members to retain their shareholder/government status. Just putting it out there.

Buryasia wrote:I understand your point, but because it would weaken the delegate and not strengthen the region in any way I know of, I won't be writing such a bylaw while I'm CLO. I do keep an open mind if anyone wants to try to persuade me logically that I'm wrong.

As far as the WA proposal, I don't trust my government and its justice system with the death penalty, but I also don't trust any world government with the power to ban it. I voted against, along with everyone else in LE, so far.

It's pretty close, I hope everyone votes against.

Shareholder status requires WA membership simply because of the NS rules against WA multiing.

If somebody's willing to make their LE nation their WA member, that indicates that it's their main.

I implore all WA members from Lands End to vote against the current WA proposal. This resolution is clearly an overreach by the World Assembly.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Sea View, Buryasia, Nordhpadhan, The American Imperialists, Karbachav, The Third British Empire

It is winning, someone got stamps? I am rarely this involved in WA stuff but this is terrifying.

Grater Tovakia wrote:It is winning, someone got stamps? I am rarely this involved in WA stuff but this is terrifying.

Can you run an API? It should send a TG once every 30 seconds, which is fairly fast.

Also, it is currently failing by 6 votes, so your claim that 'it is winning' is false.

Karbachav wrote:

Can you run an API? It should send a TG once every 30 seconds, which is fairly fast.

Also, it is currently failing by 6 votes, so your claim that 'it is winning' is false.

It was when I had last looked.

Grater Tovakia wrote:It was when I had last looked.

Okay, true. (Even so, judging by the timestamps, it was winning by approximately 2 votes, so I wouldn't say that you should call it 'winning'.)

Just voted on something WA related, which I haven’t done in a long time. It feels good to be anti-WA.

Buryasia, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic

I have just got FOUR W.A. TGs! And I've only ever got one before. Capital Punishment is a divisive issue!

Atkemri, Buryasia

I just woke up to 4 WA TG's. Fun!

Buryasia, Agarntrop

Thank Prybourne!

Buryasia

Karbachav wrote:I just woke up to 4 WA TG's. Fun!

If things carry on like this then the moderators will create a new offence called Capital Punishment WA TG spam.

Buryasia, Individualist Oligarchical Iungerich

Agarntrop wrote:If things carry on like this then the moderators will create a new offence called Capital Punishment WA TG spam.

It is not spam, mods probably love this, it is the most WA activity/interest I have seen since the beginning of my time on NS.

Hollip, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Agarntrop

Cultural Officer Betmet has informed us that Fort Triumph is hosting an event the likes of which has never been seen on NS.

The Forces of Mordor and the Forces of Triumph will do battle to gain control over Fort Triumph. The Alliance has chosen to side with Triumph. We suggest you do the same!

This is a three-phase event of epic proportions. The event include aspects of dice rolling, spamming, roleplay and gameplay. Join the forum (http://forttriumph.proboards.com/) and the Discord server (https://discordapp.com/invite/v6quvum) to participate.

Read more about it here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1088060

CSC Media Officer

DiRito

Grater Tovakia wrote:It is not spam, mods probably love this, it is the most WA activity/interest I have seen since the beginning of my time on NS.

I was joking

Buryasia

Heads or tails?

Agarntrop

Nerany wrote:Heads or tails?

Tails

Sea View, Agarntrop

Grater Tovakia wrote:It is not spam, mods probably love this, it is the most WA activity/interest I have seen since the beginning of my time on NS.

Capital Punishment

Child Labour/Slavery/Trafficking

The right to a fair trial

Terrorism/Counter-Terrorism

Over the years these are the main resolutions I've found that will be slightly reworded and go back and forth endlessly through the WA. Every single time it's the most important and historical resolution that NS has ever seen. Don't believe the hype.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, Nordhpadhan, Agarntrop, Chrysanthemum State, Karbachav

Hollip wrote:Capital Punishment

Child Labour/Slavery/Trafficking

The right to a fair trial

Terrorism/Counter-Terrorism

Over the years these are the main resolutions I've found that will be slightly reworded and go back and forth endlessly through the WA. Every single time it's the most important and historical resolution that NS has ever seen. Don't believe the hype.

True, it might not be the 'most important and historical resolution that NS has ever seen', but it's a pretty big deal if Capital Punishment gets banned.

Also, is GAR #4 the only WA resolution on child labour?

Agarntrop

Hello

Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic

Mavster12 wrote:Hello

Welcome to Lands End!

Buryasia

Karbachav wrote:True, it might not be the 'most important and historical resolution that NS has ever seen', but it's a pretty big deal if Capital Punishment gets banned.

Also, is GAR #4 the only WA resolution on child labour?

These laws get voted in until somebody finds a reason to repeal it, somebody else un-repeals the law and it carries on, also maybe I'm thinking of the old UN days when the main issue was child labour laws.

Buryasia, Agarntrop

Ga update: 54.1% against. 45.9% for.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO VOTE AGAINST!

Buryasia, Nordhpadhan, The Cincinnatus Republic, Individualist Oligarchical Iungerich

Agarntrop wrote:Ga update: 54.1% for. 45.9% against.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO VOTE AGAINST!

I think you mixed up ‘for’ and ‘against’.

Except for the part about voting against. Please vote against.

Buryasia, Agarntrop

Agarntrop wrote:Ga update: 54.1% for. 45.9% against.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO VOTE AGAINST!

"Panic ensues as Agarntrop spreads fake news"

Buryasia, Bluximburg, Legoa, Agarntrop, Karbachav

Karbachav wrote:I think you mixed up ‘for’ and ‘against’.

Except for the part about voting against. Please vote against.

Yes I did, thx for telling me. I am against the death penalty but I think it is absurd for the WA to impose a complete ban.

Buryasia

Post by Agarntrop suppressed by Bluximburg.

Agarntrop

Grater Tovakia wrote:"Panic ensues as Agarntrop spreads fake news"

Agar Trump

Alright whos the lemon here that voted for it

The Cincinnatus Republic

The American Imperialists wrote:Alright whos the lemon here that voted for it

A nation named ‘Uluca’.

Bonnie Blue Republic, The American Imperialists

Post self-deleted by Jzharko.

Huh? A dissenster! How dare he commit such heresey!

Sea View

Nations under the Lands End need to ban together, push for a vote against the World Assembly, so that people have the right to govern the way they want to govern their nation.

Karbachav wrote:A nation named ‘Uluca’.

Disappointing. Uluca what do you have to say for yourself.

Sea View

The American Imperialists wrote:Alright whos the lemon here that voted for it

Artidon wrote:Nations under the Lands End need to ban together, push for a vote against the World Assembly, so that people have the right to govern the way they want to govern their nation.

Bluximburg wrote:Disappointing. Uluca what do you have to say for yourself.

Before it gets heated (Don't pretend it won't) remember we are all free to vote in whatever way we see fit.

Atkemri, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Legoa

Heresy grows like a tree, you must rip out the roots to prevent it from growing ever again. BTW I am just kidding feel free to vote for whatever you want.

Hollip, The Cincinnatus Republic, Legoa, Karbachav

I understand that we are free to vote for whoever we want. However, our region is an anti-WA region. This new resolution is clearly a tremendous overreach into the sovereignty of our individual nations.

I fully agree that the resolution is ridiculous, but at the same time anyone trying to enforce the way we vote on any resolution is just as ridiculous as the resolutions themselves. What comes first? The idea of being against the WA or the freedom to vote as an individual?

Buryasia, Jzharko, The Cincinnatus Republic, Legoa, Agarntrop

Hollip wrote:I fully agree that the resolution is ridiculous, but at the same time anyone trying to enforce the way we vote on any resolution is just as ridiculous as the resolutions themselves. What comes first? The idea of being against the WA or the freedom to vote as an individual?

I have never advocated for forcing individual nations to vote a certain way. I frown on nations not voting as a block, and that is starkly different from coercing or forcing.

Hollip, The Democracy Of Red Star, The Third British Empire

In many situations I would agree that the WA trying to pass laws to force nations to do things against their beliefs, but I believe that due to the large number of ways to punish criminals other than death, it is unnecessary and incredibly unethical to use capital punishment.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia

Uluca wrote:In many situations I would agree that the WA trying to pass laws to force nations to do things against their beliefs, but I believe that due to the large number of ways to punish criminals other than death, it is unnecessary and incredibly unethical to use capital punishment.

I personally disagree with you. However, in this case, my problem is not with the banning of capital punishment per se as it is that the WA is attempting to regulate such a thing.

Does that make sense?

Buryasia, Bluximburg, Legoa

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:I personally disagree with you. However, in this case, my problem is not with the banning of capital punishment per se as it is that the WA is attempting to regulate such a thing.

Does that make sense?

I almost feel like claiming it contradicts GAR #2 -- with a very loose interpretation of GAR #2, I think it can.

Karbachav wrote:I almost feel like claiming it contradicts GAR #2 -- with a very loose interpretation of GAR #2, I think it can.

It all depends on what you define as National Sovereignty.

I saw the word "heresy" used. is it too late to jump on the wagon?

Hollip, Agarntrop

As delegate I am pleased to announce that we have voted in an almost perfect block on the "Ban On Capital Punishment" resolution. The resolution would most likely not pass. Well done to everyone who participated in the vote. I want to make this clear: Shareholders and residents of Lands End are not obligated in any way to "toe the line." However, I will continue to encourage us to vote as a unified voting block.

p.s.: I am a little salty I cannot say "perfect."

Unike, Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, The Cincinnatus Republic, Tri-Galleon Yudobya, The Third British Empire

We're free to vote independently, free to express our reasons for voting and free to execute criminals if we so choose. Sounds perfect to me.

...However the OCD section of my brain would've liked to see that bar show 100% unity so I'm inclined to agree somewhat with Bluximburg on that. I would also like to clarify that I wasn't accusing anyone here of enforcing how nations vote on WA resolutions, I was simply trying to illustrate the line between consensus and enforcement and how it can easily become blurred.

Buryasia, Bluximburg, Agarntrop

Mythel wrote:I saw the word "heresy" used. is it too late to jump on the wagon?
Feel free. I say we form a Lands End inquisition, then people who vote against the block go bye bye.

Oh my God! I am on the census report! I never get on, WOOHOO!!!

Hollip, Atkemri, Legoa

I think Uluca should be able to vote however they like, as forcing nations to vote a certain way goes against our national sovereignty policy which is the very reason 97% are voting against.

Hollip, Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, Bluximburg

Grater Tovakia wrote:Feel free. I say we form a Lands End inquisition, then people who vote against the block go bye bye.

Oh my God! I am on the census report! I never get on, WOOHOO!!!

As the CEO, I would like to make it known that we will never form such an "Inquisition"

His vote, his call... but I will still debate with him.

Atkemri, Buryasia, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic, Agarntrop

Just to clarify, my inquistion thing was a joke. But it would be fun to say "nobody expects the Lands End Inquisition!"

Agarntrop, Karbachav

Can we make August the honorary chief inquisitor?

I just think that would give it the necessary weight and possibly increase the fear factor.

The Cincinnatus Republic

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:As the CEO, I would like to make it known that we will never form such an "Inquisition"

His vote, his call... but I will still debate with him.

Can we form a liquidation force?

Atkemri wrote:Can we form a liquidation force?

Ah yes, the liquidation force. I would prefer the liquidation committee.

What would this liquidation force do?

Jzharko wrote:What would this liquidation force do?
"Exterminate"

So Imperium Anglorum has put out another death penalty bill, and, again, I strongly urge everyone to vote against it.

Even ignoring the sheer bureaucracy of the bill, I am against it. Why? My main reason is the following line in clause 2: 'Any one jurisdiction shall submit no more than than one capital case per million inhabitants per year'. This effectively bans capital punishment, as 1 case/1 million inhabitants is an extremely small number.

While this bill may still allow some capital punishment, the amount it legalizes is so ridiculously small that it might as well not have allowed any.

Atkemri, Sea View, Buryasia, Bluximburg

I've voted against it.

Wow, he even named it cleverly this time. Well time to A. Vote agaisnt B. Draft a reapeal C.find something wrong with it that could postpone the vote.

Hollip, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic

Post self-deleted by Grater Tovakia.

Wow, the audacity of the WA. I guess there are some who would like to lose twice in a row.

Hollip, Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, The Third British Empire

Bluximburg wrote:Wow, the audacity of the WA. I guess there are some who would like to lose twice in a row.

Except that, you know, they might actually win this time.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, The American Imperialists, The Third British Empire

Karbachav wrote:Except that, you know, they might actually win this time.

I somehow doubt it.

They have a lead right now, certainly, but I'm expecting a similar voting pattern to last time.

If I want to execute people in my country, that's my business. Not the WA's.

Nordhpadhan, Bluximburg, Legoa, Tri-Galleon Yudobya, Artidon, The Third British Empire

They obviously don't believe in democracy - they believe in what they want - evidenced by stubborn refusal to accept defeat.

Bluximburg wrote:Wow, the audacity of the WA. I guess there are some who would like to lose twice in a row.

Buryasia wrote:They obviously don't believe in democracy - they believe in what they want - evidenced by stubborn refusal to accept defeat.

Bill winning by 1100 votes says hi.

Karbachav wrote:Bill winning by 1100 votes says hi.

We don't need your hate Karbachav. Go vote!

Bluximburg wrote:We don't need your hate Karbachav. Go vote!

I have voted. I am merely stating a fact about our current position regarding the bill.

If this passes, I will spam repeals and use this as precedent, who wants to join me?

Nordhpadhan, The Cincinnatus Republic, Legoa, Tri-Galleon Yudobya, The Third British Empire

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