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Are we going to update our embassy policy?

I'm 11th on the census report. Wow...

My opinion: article 11 good, article 13 bad

WA: so I know y'all didn't like banning capital punishment, so how about you submit an entire part of your justice system to a supernational bureaucracy instead?

Somehow they took something that was repealed because it posed too much government overreach and made it so that there's more government overreach and a worse precedent.

Sea View, Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg, The Third British Empire

Jzharko wrote:Are we going to update our embassy policy?

Why would an update be needed?

The Democracy Of Red Star

It still lists the UBA as the CTO.

The Democracy Of Red Star

I am considering founding my own region. I am not sure if I should, however. what would be the pros and cons doing so? also, I'm a bit worried about the fate of the internet in Europe.

The Democracy Of Red Star

“May we have the power of god and Anime on our side!”

-General Mark done ( before any battle) (JK)

Jzharko wrote:It still lists the UBA as the CTO.

I think all the factbooks are outdated.

I've added my vote against 'preventing the execution of innocents'.

Unfortunately, it looks like this resolution will pass unless a surge happens on the against camp.

Post self-deleted by Agarntrop.

Bluximburg wrote:Unfortunately, it looks like this resolution will pass unless a surge happens on the against camp.

Actually, clause 2 isn't that bad, one execution per million people per year means we could still execute many. I'm changing my vote.

Bluximburg wrote:Unfortunately, it looks like this resolution will pass unless a surge happens on the against camp.

So what will happen exactly? Are we all going to just lose the policy of Capital Punishment?

Okay, time to start drafting a repeal.

Tri-Galleon Yudobya

Legoa wrote:So what will happen exactly? Are we all going to just lose the policy of Capital Punishment?

No WA resolutions aren't binding, so it'll be up to you whether or not if you want to follow through with it, but you're supposed to act as if it's in theory a UN resolution on the same thing

If they're not binding then why does it matter if it passes or not?

Jzharko wrote:If they're not binding then why does it matter if it passes or not?

It's meant for you to decide whether you want to follow every WA resolution. It's similar to how the UN can pass resolutions but that doesn't mean every nation in the UN needs to follow it

But if the resolution is not binding, why should people care about whether or not it passes? They can just ignore it, can they not?

Jzharko wrote:But if the resolution is not binding, why should people care about whether or not it passes? They can just ignore it, can they not?

It affects your stats.

Tri-Galleon Yudobya, The Third British Empire

Agarntrop wrote:Actually, clause 2 isn't that bad, one execution per million people per year means we could still execute many. I'm changing my vote.

Please don't.

The American Imperialists

Agarntrop wrote:Actually, clause 2 isn't that bad, one execution per million people per year means we could still execute many. I'm changing my vote.

The WA resolution contains wayyy more than just a cap how much people can be executed

Agarntrop wrote:Actually, clause 2 isn't that bad, one execution per million people per year means we could still execute many. I'm changing my vote.

That limits me to 312 a year.

That's a random arbitrary cap that serves literally no purpose because it's not hard cap -

and besides, if I want to execute half of my citizens, that's my business.

The American Imperialists, Seachia

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:That limits me to 312 a year.

Correction: You are limited to 3,212 executions per year.

Karbachav wrote:Correction: You are limited to 3,212 executions per year.

My point about an arbitrary cap still stands

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:My point about an arbitrary cap still stands

That is true. In addition, this is an extremely low cap (The USA uses up 10%, and they never execute people), and every case requires a mind-numbing amount of bureaucracy.

Who’s writing the repeal?

Wow, the WA is attempting to grow itself and get its tentacles caught up in our individual sovereign nations. First capital punishment, now they are attempting to enforce uniform employment standards.

The American Imperialists, Okla-Texas, Grater Tovakia

Bluximburg wrote:Wow, the WA is attempting to grow itself and get its tentacles caught up in our individual sovereign nations. First capital punishment now they are attempting to enforce uniform employment standards.

They're acting like a Congress or Parliament not the UN or WA

Hollip, Bluximburg, Grater Tovakia

Bluximburg wrote:Wow, the WA is attempting to grow itself and get its tentacles caught up in our individual sovereign nations. First capital punishment now they are attempting to enforce uniform employment standards.

I interpreted the bill as requiring the giving of reasonable notice for a lawsuit, but please let me know if I'm mis-interpreting it.

A resolution to enact uniform standards that protect workers, consumers, and the general public.

Sounds like socialism if you ask me. Anyone that chooses the government over themselves to protect against anything deserves execution in my nation... Oh wait, you cant even execute everyone anymore. This game lurches further to the left with every passing day.

Bluximburg, The Third British Empire

Hollip wrote:A resolution to enact uniform standards that protect workers, consumers, and the general public.

Sounds like socialism if you ask me. Anyone that chooses the government over themselves to protect against anything deserves execution in my nation... Oh wait, you cant even execute everyone anymore. This game lurches further to the left with every passing day.

Conservative Conspiracy theories intensify...

I don't think stuff like stopping employees from being put near asbestos is socialism, just common sense.

I'm against the international judge thing though.

Agarntrop wrote:Conservative Conspiracy theories intensify...

I don't think stuff like stopping employees from being put near asbestos is socialism, just common sense.

I'm against the international judge thing though.

It's not a conspiracy theory, look at the WA resolutions that even get the chance to be voted on, it's all save the environment or protect the people that can't or shouldn't be allowed to take responsibility for themselves. Look at the issues that make the bad or wrong answer the one that sides with business or minimising government involvement.

My personal ideology is far from right-leaning but it's plain to see which side you have to be on to get anything published onto NS.

Hollip wrote:A resolution to enact uniform standards that protect workers, consumers, and the general public.

Sounds like socialism if you ask me.

Hollip wrote:

My personal ideology is far from right-leaning

Those two statements can't come from the same person. Or can they? With contradiction king Hollip they can! (I know that sounds like I'm having a go at you but I'm actually only indenting on debating and challenging your statement)

Agarntrop wrote:Those two statements can't come from the same person. Or can they? With contradiction king Hollip they can! (I know that sounds like I'm having a go at you but I'm actually only indenting on debating and challenging your statement)

So because my ideology isn't right-leaning it must be socialist?

Agarntrop wrote:Those two statements can't come from the same person. Or can they? With contradiction king Hollip they can! (I know that sounds like I'm having a go at you but I'm actually only indenting on debating and challenging your statement)

You don't have to lean right to object to socialism. This resolution contradicts what I stand for, therefore I am against.

Hollip, The Third British Empire

Grater Tovakia wrote:You don't have to lean right to object to socialism. This resolution contradicts what I stand for, therefore I am against.

Totally agree. Make decisions based on your own personal thoughts and experience, not because of the "side" you're on.

Buryasia

Hollip wrote:So because my ideology isn't right-leaning it must be socialist?

No, you have to be right-leaning to call minimal business regulation socialist

Agarntrop wrote:No, you have to be right-leaning to call minimal business regulation socialist

minimal??????

Mythel wrote:I am considering founding my own region. I am not sure if I should, however. what would be the pros and cons doing so? also, I'm a bit worried about the fate of the internet in Europe.

Founding a new Region is always an interesting alternative.

Off the top of my head, the positives are:[list=1]

[*]You are the Founder, so you have all possible authority.

[*]The Region develops as you desire, subject only to NS Rules.

[*]You have the option of being invader, defender, or another sort of Region entirely.[/list]

On the other hand, the negatives are:[list=1]

[*]Leaving an established Region for the unknowns of a new Region.

[*]Recruitment of new nations.

[*]Setting an embassy policy.

[*]Choosing Regional functionaries.

[*]Suppressing of posts or banning of nations.

[*]Setting of Role Play, or a discussion topic, framework.

[*]Relations with the World Assembly.

[*]Dealing with Raiders.

[*]Establishing new Regional documents.[/list]

All in all, usually easier to stay where you are.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Bluximburg, Legoa, The Third British Empire

Agarntrop wrote:No, you have to be right-leaning to call minimal business regulation socialist

It's not encouraging countries to promote workers health that's the issue, it's the fact that the WA seems to want to legislate such measures for us. This bill, for example, specifies judicial procedures and even has individual nations bear the cost of foreign legal inquiries into that nation's own citizens. Again it's a step too far for the WA.

My nation has abolished its judicial system entirely. Under this bill and the last one, one would have to be set up for the purposes of complying with the regulation. The idea that the WA can reshape huge sections of government with a vote should concern all of us. These changes the WA are proposing aren't as minimal as you may think

Hollip, Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, Bluximburg, The Third British Empire

Agarntrop wrote:No, you have to be right-leaning to call minimal business regulation socialist

How come? Perhaps not everything is as black and white as you may imagine. Disagreeing with one highly invasive resolution doesn't allow anyone to summarise anything about me or my ideals.

Remember, kids: It should always raise a huge red flag of B.S. when anyone tells you anything as though it is an absolute truth.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Bluximburg, The Third British Empire

Tri-Galleon Yudobya wrote:

My nation has abolished its judicial system entirely. Under this bill and the last one, one would have to be set up for the purposes of complying with the regulation. The idea that the WA can reshape huge sections of government with a vote should concern all of us. These changes the WA are proposing aren't as minimal as you may think.

Okay.

1. Why did you abolish the judicial system?

2. I'm pretty sure that the section 1 definition of service of process does not require nations to have a legal system, and, as such, makes the bill essentially void for nations without a judicial system.

Agarntrop

Karbachav wrote:Okay.

1. Why did you abolish the judicial system?

2. I'm pretty sure that the section 1 definition of service of process does not require nations to have a legal system, and, as such, makes the bill essentially void for nations without a judicial system.

1. It's irrelevant. I'm entitled to govern my nation the way I wish. Trials are expensive and I'd like my country to be run by a small, pro-business government where people are more concerned with buying things for themselves and their families and improving their lives than politics.

2. So section 1 says:

>Service of process is defined as the procedure by which a party to legal action gives notice of the initialization of legal action to another party, so as to enable that party to respond to the proceeding before the judicial body.

And section 5 reads:

Where service of process cannot be accomplished without the aid of an agent of a court, member states must either:

a. Allow agents of a foreign court entry into their nation and provide sufficient assistance to allow the agent to serve process upon recipient party, or

b. Dispatch an agent of their own court to serve process upon the recipient party on the foreign jurisdiction’s behalf.

So as a nation without a court system, I would either have to make one or spend money and resources to allow a foreign court to make decisions on my country's soil. Neither feels like much of a choice

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg

A repeal is on line: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=hizuru_1537293833

Buryasia, Wenchdom, The American Imperialists

I only voted against because it sounds like a lot of red tape. I hate tape.

Unike, Buryasia, Agarntrop

This bill probably wont pass

The Cincinnatus Republic wrote:I only voted against because it sounds like a lot of red tape. I hate tape.

It's just repealing the resolution how's it red tape

The American Imperialists wrote:This bill probably wont pass

It's just repealing the resolution how's it red tape

I'm talking about the current resolution, not what Nord posted.

The American Imperialists

Agarntrop wrote:No, you have to be right-leaning to call minimal business regulation socialist

If a world government is regulating business, IMHO, it's not a big leap to call that socialism. These things are a point of view anyway. Like, technically the US government is socialist, or at least hybrid. But in our guts, we don't consider it socialist, except when we do. See? Point-of-view.

Hollip

Buryasia wrote:If a world government is regulating business, IMHO, it's not a big leap to call that socialism. These things are a point of view anyway. Like, technically the US government is socialist, or at least hybrid. But in our guts, we don't consider it socialist, except when we do. See? Point-of-view.

Oh, so you have to be right-wing anarchist or extreme neoliberal to not be a socialist?

The Democracy Of Red Star

Agarntrop wrote:Oh, so you have to be right-wing anarchist or extreme neoliberal to not be a socialist?

He's not saying that.

He's saying that, as with all political labels, it all depends on your point of view.

The Democracy Of Red Star, The Cincinnatus Republic

The following bylaw, "CEO Eligibility" was certified as legal by me, passed by the board, and then approved by the CEO this week. It is now in effect as a bylaw here in LE.

BEGIN BYLAW

CEO Eligibility

Asserting that the goal of Lands End regarding the CEO is to find the best nation for the job;

Understanding that many of those nations are in lower governmental offices;

Hereby states,

1. All shareholders, except for the WA delegate and Founder, are eligible to run for CEO without resigning from their Board or Senior Management position, if they have one.

2. If a member of the Board or Senior Management is elected CEO, they have twenty-four(24) additional hours in their Board or Senior Management position before they are required to vacate their Board or Senior Management position.

3. CEO privileges shall not be assigned to the elected CEO until and after they have vacated their previous Board or Senior Management position.

END BYLAW

edit: Oh, and props to Karbachav for writing this, following up on a discussion we had immediately after electing the board a couple of months ago!

Unike, Bonnie Blue Republic, Nordhpadhan, The Democracy Of Red Star, The Third British Empire

I believe that I have finally endorsed all of the WA nations in Lands End.

Nordhpadhan, The Democracy Of Red Star, The Cincinnatus Republic

Thank you, Bonnie Blue Republic, for the TG and for all the work on endorsements!

Hollip, The Democracy Of Red Star, Legoa, Artidon

Who here loves or likes pizza.And if so what type?(I’m asking because I’m bored (😑 )

Sea View

The Democracy Of Red Star wrote:Who here loves or likes pizza?

I love pizza so much I let them have 2 seats in parliament!

The Democracy Of Red Star, The Third British Empire

I like pep and Bacon piazza

The Democracy Of Red Star wrote:Who here loves or likes pizza.And if so what type?(I’m asking because I’m bored (😑 )

Classic pepperoni, and sometimes a meat-lover pizza.

The Democracy Of Red Star, The Third British Empire, Black Zektar

Hello guys

The Cincinnatus Republic

Post by Black Zektar suppressed by Bluximburg.

Black Zektar

Some one can tell me what should i do to invade other player?

Black Zektar wrote:Some one can tell me what should i do to invade other player?

First off, please no double posting. Secondly, there is no real "war" mechanic in nation-states. But there is Roleplay and raider defender gameplay which you can read more about in the pinned "LE info center" dispatch.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Agarntrop, The Third British Empire

We should flood the CCD with puppets then raid.

Agarntrop wrote:We should flood the CCD with puppets then raid.

1. I would recommend that you don't discuss this in a public channel.

2. What has the CCD ever done to us?

Agarntrop wrote:We should flood the CCD with puppets then raid.

A. Not how raiding works, B. we are neutral, C. Don't talk about raiding regions in an RMB

Puppet flooding is against game rules, and you could wind up with all your puppets deleted.

Why do so much people want to liberate or raid CCD

The American Imperialists wrote:Why do so much people want to liberate or raid CCD

Because they're annoyed that a successful fascist region exists.

Also, because they're annoyed Jocospor has hundreds of $$ to throw at the game.

The American Imperialists

Karbachav wrote:Because they're annoyed that a successful fascist region exists.

Also, because they're annoyed Jocospor has hundreds of $$ to throw at the game.

Because people don't like Fascists.

That's the long and the short of it.

The Democracy Of Red Star, Agarntrop

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:Because people don't like Fascists.

That's the long and the short of it.

Don't know why they're so angry over a region wanting to be fascist

The Democracy Of Red Star, Karbachav

The American Imperialists wrote:

Don't know why they're so angry over a region wanting to be fascist

Especially when this is a *game*.

Akuku, The American Imperialists

Karbachav wrote:1. I would recommend that you don't discuss this in a public channel.

2. What has the CCD ever done to us?

What did the Silver Legion ever do to us?

Agarntrop wrote:What did the Silver Legion ever do to us?

They were fascists. 'Nuff said. And also [nation=noflag]Grater Tovakia[/nation] wanted practice to coup [---]

Seachia wrote:They were fascists. 'Nuff said. And also Grater Tovakia wanted practice to coup [---]

1. CCD are fascists

2. Practise coup who?!

Agarntrop wrote:1. CCD are fascists

2. Practise coup who?!

1. CCD isn't fascist. They do support it but it's not their entire ideology.

2. [---]! Don't you understand? It's [---]!

Seachia wrote:1. CCD isn't fascist. They do support it but it's not their entire ideology.

2. [---]! Don't you understand? It's [---]!

No I don't.

TG me

Seachia wrote:They were fascists. 'Nuff said. And also [nation=noflag]Grater Tovakia[/nation] wanted practice to coup [---]

Agarntrop wrote:1. CCD are fascists

2. Practise coup who?!

Why do you care so much about them being fascist

https://www.youtube.com/user/JibJab

How I did not hear about this channel years ago I will never know. Pretty hilarious stuff.

Anyways, I'll try to be active on here more often.

Congrats to Bluximburg on being WA Delegate; well deserved!

Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, Buryasia, Nordhpadhan, The American Imperialists, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic, Grater Tovakia, Legoa, Agarntrop, Tri-Galleon Yudobya

Okla-Texas wrote:https://www.youtube.com/user/JibJab

How I did not hear about this channel years ago I will never know. Pretty hilarious stuff.

Anyways, I'll try to be active on here more often.

Congrats to Bluximburg on being WA Delegate; well deserved!

He lives!

Okla-Texas, Agarntrop

Look at is this way:

R/D doesn't actually hurt anything.

Any region that gets taken down can just start another one.

Don't look at it as a vendetta against fascists... look at it as needing a target and they're a handy one.

Agarntrop

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:Look at is this way:

R/D doesn't actually hurt anything.

Any region that gets taken down can just start another one.

Don't look at it as a vendetta against fascists... look at it as needing a target and they're a handy one.

Actually, a lot of regions have sentimental value for the members. Even if they recreate it their logs from past times will be gone.

The American Imperialists, Agarntrop

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:Look at is this way:

R/D doesn't actually hurt anything.

Any region that gets taken down can just start another one.

Don't look at it as a vendetta against fascists... look at it as needing a target and they're a handy one.

It is a vendetta against fascists, if it wasn't they wouldnt be targeting those regions so much and getting so much support

The Democracy Of Red Star

Why all this concern over some other region? They are doing nothing that takes away from how we choose to govern our region or individual nations. Many people across NS probably disagree with our politics and/or ideals however it's highly unlikely anyone is currently plotting against us right now. Live and let live.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, Buryasia, The American Imperialists, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic

Hollip wrote:Why all this concern over some other region? They are doing nothing that takes away from how we choose to govern our region or individual nations. Many people across NS probably disagree with our politics and/or ideals however it's highly unlikely anyone is currently plotting against us right now. Live and let live.

Or are they?(JK)

Hollip

Hollip wrote:...it's highly unlikely anyone is currently plotting against us right now.
Oh, I do not know. They very well might be. Fortunately, we are prepared.

N-DAY IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING!

Karbachav wrote:N-DAY IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING!

Next year? Never mind. I just saw the NS News.

Bonnie Blue Republic

Hey everyone! It’s that nearly time of year again where we blow the entire world to bits with nukes! Get hyped!*

https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/2018/09/23/index.html

* - It is reccomended that you join the AA discord if you want to get even more hyped!

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia

N-DAY IS COMING, GET HYPED!!!

Check out my new poster! (please upvote)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1097998

Check out my other new poster! (please upvote)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1098227

The American Imperialists, Mythel

Post by Waldensian Nuke Force 1 suppressed by a moderator.

could everyone share their opinion about the war on drugs?

Mythel wrote:could everyone share their opinion about the war on drugs?

Waste of time, effort and most of all taxpayer's money. Prohibition causes more economic and criminal problems for society than it has ever or will ever fix.

Buryasia

Mythel wrote:could everyone share their opinion about the war on drugs?

It's a good thing but it should be reformed so traffickers and dealers get harsher punishments and users get more rehabilitative treatment. And we should ramp up the fight overseas against cartels. I don't want America to become a nation of drug addicts

Me: Let me post my carefully crafted posters and watch the compliments roll in

14 hours and 0 likes later

Me: wow no responses? Must be a slow day

Mythel: throws out real world debate discussion.

Rest of LE: oh I have opinion let me like your post and throughly explain my opinion.

Me: I am going to go punch something, BRB

Atkemri, The American Imperialists

About the poll: To confirm, the seasons are as follows:

Summer: August-October

Fall: November

Winter: December-March

Spring: April-July

I have heard conflicting things, so I just want to make sure.

Karbachav wrote:About the poll: To confirm, the seasons are as follows:

Summer: August-October

Fall: November

Winter: December-March

Spring: April-July

I have heard conflicting things, so I just want to make sure.

Way off. Go with the solstices and equinoxes my guy. Although they may not represent the seasons in weather, they do astronomically.

Buryasia

The American Imperialists wrote:I don't want America to become a nation of drug addicts

The 80s called. They want their beliefs back.

Hollip, Buryasia

The American Imperialists wrote:It's a good thing but it should be reformed so traffickers and dealers get harsher punishments and users get more rehabilitative treatment. And we should ramp up the fight overseas against cartels. I don't want America to become a nation of drug addicts

The only reasons the cartels and traffickers exist is entirely due the illegality of these substances. And as for a nation of drug addicts, what about alcohol, painkillers and anti-depressants? All mind altering drugs and most are even more problematic than so-called "illegal drugs."

Buryasia

As per the COO's request, Legoa has been appointed as the new VP of research. Special thanks to Unike for his devoted service to the region.

Unike, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Grater Tovakia

Mythel wrote:could everyone share their opinion about the war on drugs?

Didn't succeed with Prohibition of alcohol, and will not succeed with drugs.

Buryasia, Agarntrop

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