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Central Antarctic Federation wrote:Why's everyone voting no on banning an obvious human rights violation?

Because whether or not that issue is an "Obvious human rights violation" depends on what your personal views are regarding homosexuality.

Lands End is an economically Right-Leaning region; it then would stand to reason that we have a decent population of those who are socially Right as well.

The American Imperialists

Because it labels at the very beginning that being homosexual is a predetermined aspect of a human being rather than a choice, which I don't believe.

Whether or not you believe it, it is true. Gender is not sexuality. Gender is how you feel. You don't necessarily have to identify with the stereotype of those with the chromosome with which you happen to have been born.

Not to mention that the WA should stay out of my countries buisness. There is currently a draft circulating stating that no matter the circumstances a nations military cannot shoot down a civilian plane. Not only is that unreasonable the author has no knowledge of aviation (at least thats what I thought from reading the bill) so why should he/or she be authoring a bill that affects everybody? (Not actualy but you guys know what I mean)

Bluximburg

Post self-deleted by Central Antarctic Federation.

Hold up; Jzharko, that's irrelevant. The resolution doesn't lump gender and sexuality together, conversion therapy is the practice of "forcing" people (usually children) into a specific sexuality (or, as the lgbt community's been pushing recently, a specific gender). Also, that definition would just make gender an arbitrary title. Gender isn't just shorthand for gender roles. Even then, identifying with a woman's gender roles doesn't mean you actually fill that niche.

I will actively block and impede any resolution on the World Assembly that attempts to dictate how a nation should govern. I believe that each nation state should have self-determination and be left to independent governance. As delegate, I'll do what I can to protect your independence and minimize the bureaucracy and overreach of the World Assembly.

Unike, Bonnie Blue Republic, Sea View, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic

Post by Jzharko suppressed by Grater Tovakia.

Jzharko

Whoops, I completely misunderstood the issue. I thought it was on the topic of gender identity, not sexual orientation.

Though, is the point of the world assembly to not enact reforms on participant nations?

Post by Jzharko suppressed by Grater Tovakia.

Jzharko

That the majority can agree upon.*

Is gender not already arbitrary? If I feel x way but x way is associated with y sex, why should I be pressured to not feel that way because of an arbitrary association?

Am I correct in saying that elections are this week? If I am, would someone please inform me of who's running?

Jzharko wrote:Is gender not already arbitrary? If I feel x way but x way is associated with y sex, why should I be pressured to not feel that way because of an arbitrary association?
Please no double posting. There is an edit function if you want to add to you post.

Bluximburg

Gender is simply the term used for sex in sociological studies. The behaviors frequently displayed by each gender would be gender roles, which you could argue are arbitrary. However, as far as legal identification or sociology goes, gender is far from arbitrary.

Republica Nacional Da Conice

I'll put it this way to clarify my stance. You don't come out of the womb with homosexual feelings or aspirations. Most homosexuals (at least ones I have met and heard of) don't even "feel" gay until their high school years or early adulthood. So homosexuality isn't predetermined, which is the way I interpreted it in the resolution, which I do not agree with.

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:...

Lands End is an economically Right-Leaning region; it then would stand to reason that we have a decent population of those who are socially Right as well.

That's not necessarily true at all. I never understood what was economically conservative about having governments try to promote one part of society or oppress another. It seems a lot better for the economy (not to mention the right thing to do) to allow society to be what it is. In fact, not to hurt everyone's feelings, but while extreme fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is called libertarianism, when paired with extreme social conservatism it instead is fascism. I'm strongly opposed to fascism and I see this as a relevant issue in the world today. I encourage everyone to get to know people who you see as different and seek to understand them better.

BTW, I did not vote either way and can see reasons to vote either way. I find conversion therapy repugnant, so that's a reason to vote "for." Also, I don't want some world government telling communities which therapies are or are not acceptable, so that's a reason to vote "against."

Karbachav wrote:Am I correct in saying that elections are this week? If I am, would someone please inform me of who's running?

Is he correct? I don't recall; can someone weigh in on this?

Legoa

Post self-deleted by Bluximburg.

Elections will commence next week. Nominations are now open. If you are interested in running for office, please telegram me. Thank you.

I didn't know I could edit my post, sorry.

I should have specified. Gender *identity* is arbitrary. I can *identify* with any gender. Gender/sex can be interchangeable if you interpret them scientifically.

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The Cincinnatus Republic wrote:I'll put it this way to clarify my stance. You don't come out of the womb with homosexual feelings or aspirations. Most homosexuals (at least ones I have met and heard of) don't even "feel" gay until their high school years or early adulthood. So homosexuality isn't predetermined, which is the way I interpreted it in the resolution, which I do not agree with.

Nobody comes out of the womb with any sexual orientation. You only become aware of it when you hit puberty, and I'm not surprised that the people who you know are homosexual only felt free to express it or tell you when they hit high school or early adulthood because a. They would only have known about it when they hit puberty and b. They probably took some time to come to terms with it before they felt comfortable enough to show it or tell you. So I do think that your sexual orientation is actually predetermined.

The Sand Grains wrote:

Nobody comes out of the womb with any sexual orientation. You only become aware of it when you hit puberty, and I'm not surprised that the people who you know are homosexual only felt free to express it or tell you when they hit high school or early adulthood because a. They would only have known about it when they hit puberty and b. They probably took some time to come to terms with it before they felt comfortable enough to show it or tell you. So I do think that your sexual orientation is actually predetermined.

Homosexuality, like any personality trait, isn't something that automatically applies to you. It's not like you just suddenly "realize" you're gay during puberty. You could take the same kid, raise him in two different situations, and he could easily be gay in one situation and straight in another. To say otherwise is like saying that if one twin's gay, they're both gay.

The American Imperialists, The Cincinnatus Republic

Campaign speeches are encouraged for the upcoming election.

Grennick Gold

So I am worshipped as a God in my country and that's just really friggin cool!

Atkemri

Bluximburg wrote:Campaign speeches are encouraged for the upcoming election.

I'm running for CLO. Bonnie Blue, the current CLO, has announced his departure. Lands End shareholders can count on me because I have a proven track record of being active in the region. The responsibilities of CLO include evaluating the validity of new or proposed bylaws and determining trials and punishment in the case of misbehavior on the part of Lands End residents. I will be fair and impartial, and my goal will always be to build unity and cohesion among all the shareholders.

Unike, Bluximburg, The Sand Grains, Karbachav

Central Antarctic Federation wrote:Homosexuality, like any personality trait, isn't something that automatically applies to you. It's not like you just suddenly "realize" you're gay during puberty. You could take the same kid, raise him in two different situations, and he could easily be gay in one situation and straight in another. To say otherwise is like saying that if one twin's gay, they're both gay.

What evidence do you have to support that claim?

Republica Nacional Da Conice

Karbachav wrote:

What evidence do you have to support that claim?

Most simply, the fact that there are biological twin pairs where one is gay and the other is not. Furthermore, the burden of evidence would fall on the claim that sexual orientation is a predetermined biological trait instead of a social construct, not the counterclaim.

Jzharko wrote:I didn't know I could edit my post, sorry.

I should have specified. Gender *identity* is arbitrary. I can *identify* with any gender. Gender/sex can be interchangeable if you interpret them scientifically.

How can there be something as gender identity? You are born with a gender, male or female, you should accept which gender you were born with and not try to ignore it and identify with something that makes no sense.

Btw, you "can" identify with whatever you want, but people shouldn't call you by whatever pronoun you wish if they don't want to.

Atkemri

Republica Nacional Da Conice wrote:How can there be something as gender identity? You are born with a gender, male or female, you should accept which gender you were born with and not try to ignore it and identify with something that makes no sense.

Btw, you "can" identify with whatever you want, but people shouldn't call you by whatever pronoun you wish if they don't want to.

If I feel like something that goes against a stereotype plastered to something I cannot change, then why can I not feel that? I can identify with whatever I want. It doesn't mean it changes my biological sex.

Let's say I felt different than a stereotype attributed to my race and associated myself more with another race's societal expectations. Would you be against that, telling me to accept my race's expectations because I am of that race? It's biological, but its societal stereotypes aren't necessarily applicable to everyone.

Lastly, sure, people can call you whatever they want. It's just common courtesy to call you by your preferred pronoun.

Simply put: Having a gender identity differing to the one that you are assigned by society at birth is just subverting a societal expectation that you act and feel a particular way. The title of "male" and "female" may be biological, but the stereotypes assigned by society to them are cultural.

If you are running for office please telegram me. Elections will begin on Wednesday and end on Saturday.

I have decided to run again for the position of COO, my first term was rather short therefore I will be using the same speech as my first campaign as these Issues have not yet all been fixed.

Firstly I am deeply vested in growing the Lands End Community not just by recruiting new nations but also by growing the number of shareholders, as well as growing the number of nations who decide to join the Augustin Alliance Discord. The growth of our community is key to the success of this region and that is why growing the number of total nations, the number of shareholders, and the number of discord users will be the number one priority of my tenure as COO.

Another priority of mine is to increase the interest in joining the board of Lands End. In the past few elections, very few people have decided to run, leaving many candidates running unopposed. The key to a successful government is the diversity of those in it, a government with only one viewpoint might as well be an autocracy, that is why voting participation/ Promoting the involvement in Government will be another main issue during my tenure.

While these two issues are my priorities I will work on whatever issue Lands End faces with great tenacity. If elected I would greatly appreciate advice from shareholders and non-shareholders alike on how best to do my job. I thank you for reading this speech and hope you vote for me in the upcoming election.

Unike, Buryasia, Bluximburg

Jzharko wrote:

If I feel like something that goes against a stereotype plastered to something I cannot change, then why can I not feel that? I can identify with whatever I want. It doesn't mean it changes my biological sex.

Let's say I felt different than a stereotype attributed to my race and associated myself more with another race's societal expectations. Would you be against that, telling me to accept my race's expectations because I am of that race? It's biological, but its societal stereotypes aren't necessarily applicable to everyone.

Lastly, sure, people can call you whatever they want. It's just common courtesy to call you by your preferred pronoun.

Simply put: Having a gender identity differing to the one that you are assigned by society at birth is just subverting a societal expectation that you act and feel a particular way. The title of "male" and "female" may be biological, but the stereotypes assigned by society to them are cultural.

A pronoun isn't a stereotype. "Identifying" with more feminine stereotypes than male stereotypes doesn't make you a woman. That ideology only affirms sexual stereotypes.

Atkemri, Republica Nacional Da Conice

Unless the word "woman" becomes strictly biological and not of the persona and stereotypes associated with that biological gender, you are a woman if you feel like you are.

You're not of the female sex if you feel like you are. But you can identify with the suppositions about the gender, which you could say "woman" describes. Those pronouns describe your persona and attitude more than they describe your biological gender.

Central Antarctic Federation wrote:Most simply, the fact that there are biological twin pairs where one is gay and the other is not. Furthermore, the burden of evidence would fall on the claim that sexual orientation is a predetermined biological trait instead of a social construct, not the counterclaim.

Biological twin pairs are not exactly identical. Various traits like outward appearance are passed to one twin and not to the other. It therefore follows that one twin may be gay while the other may not, on the basis that homosexuality is predetermined.

How can one differ gender from biological though?

This might be some language barrier for me, but if gender describes "persona and attitude", than I can identify as a monkey if I behave like one? This makes no sense and is too confusing, why are gender and sex even different in the first place?

I've always thought that when someone identifies with a gender, they identify with the persona and attitude commonly associated with the sex, which doesn't have to be their biological sex.

Yes, I would think you could identify as a monkey if you really felt like one and you acted like one.

As an aside, the whole deal with pronouns is just "please call me what I want to be called."

Okay that enlightened me a bit more about your opinion, the issue that I have with these genders is that, they, atleast to me, make no sense, as behaving like something doesn't make you "be" it, it's just your personality.

Central Antarctic Federation

At a certain point it is just arguing about which words mean which things. Language by its nature is subjective. See Socrates and all philosophy in the intervening 3000 years. I personally believe in trying to refer to people with the words they prefer. It isn't always possible to know what words people prefer. Sometimes using a tone of respect is more important than the exact words you use. 100% of people are never going to be happy but I rarely give up trying to be respectful to someone.

As a hopefully interesting aside, the Associated Press stylebook guidelines say that most media in the United States, which follow these guidelines, should use "black people," or "black Americans," to refer to people of this ethnic group as the term "African Americans" is outdated and not very clear. (I.E., Do you mean the person is literally from Africa, or is their ancestry African?) I believe the Stylebook guidelines also make allowances so if a person being referred to prefers "African American" the writer can use that term. ... and of course in a quote the writer should use the exact words used regardless, or use a different quote if the word choice was poor.

On a related note the AP Stylebook discourages the use of "ladies" to refer to adult females, except in quotes.

I wonder if they have released updates in the last year or two about gender, sexuality, and the like. I'm fairly sure they haven't adopted the "ze" pronoun although I seem to remember some college media did adopt the use of "ze" a few years back.

TLDR -In summary the way I feel is that it is very complicated and not always possible for us to use the same words all the time, but if we keep respect for others in heart and mind we are able to have productive conversations most of the time without offending each other needlessly. When we do learn different words people use to describe themselves, we are taking a step in learning more about each other and bridging the divide. For me its a fun ride to learn new things and I don't feel bad or ashamed or even sorry when I get it wrong, but I do keep trying to learn from it.

Residents of Lands End,

I am concerned about the state of the upcoming election. Currently out of the 4 board member positions available only 2 people (one of them being me) have announced there candidacy for one of these positions. for those of you who are unaware of the available positions here they are

COO: Grater Tovakia

CLO:Buryasia

CRO: Nobody

CTO: Nobody

Now I know that in the "what do you think of Lands End" poll the majority of people did not reply with "Awesome!" therefore indicating there is something in the region they are not happy with. If that is the case and you see nothing being done about it why do you sit and let others run unopposed? Of course, people will say "that is what elected officials are for" but what if board member slots are not filled? Who will you ask when you need help and three-quarters of the board is not there? What is the purpose of elections if no one is going to run? There also are many of you who are new and think that new people can't run in board elections. well I ran in the first election cycle of my term in Lands End, I won the race for CRO, and later became COO! There is nothing wrong with being new all it does is enrich the board and ultimately the region. I hope that many of you consider running after reading this message as the fate of Lands End depends on it!

I was gone for a while, now I am back. what did I miss?

Buryasia

Mythel wrote:I was gone for a while, now I am back. what did I miss?

A lot of polls, and some official turn-over. But welcome back!

Buryasia

Hey here is an example of how you can run for a board position even if you are new or inexperienced: I am running for CLO, but I don't even know where these supposed polls are. Can anyone tell me how to see these polls?

Grater Tovakia wrote:Residents of Lands End,

I am concerned about the state of the upcoming election. Currently out of the 4 board member positions available only 2 people (one of them being me) have announced there candidacy for one of these positions. for those of you who are unaware of the available positions here they are

COO: Grater Tovakia

CLO:Buryasia

CRO: Nobody

CTO: Nobody

Now I know that in the "what do you think of Lands End" poll the majority of people did not reply with "Awesome!" therefore indicating there is something in the region they are not happy with. If that is the case and you see nothing being done about it why do you sit and let others run unopposed? Of course, people will say "that is what elected officials are for" but what if board member slots are not filled? Who will you ask when you need help and three-quarters of the board is not there? What is the purpose of elections if no one is going to run? There also are many of you who are new and think that new people can't run in board elections. well I ran in the first election cycle of my term in Lands End, I won the race for CRO, and later became COO! There is nothing wrong with being new all it does is enrich the board and ultimately the region. I hope that many of you consider running after reading this message as the fate of Lands End depends on it!

CRO seems to, by definition, require time spent in the region -- you can't be in charge of integrating people into the region if you're still learning the ropes!

Does @Okla-Texas plan to run for CTO? If he/she doesn't and absolutely no-one else does, I *might* be willing to run for it, but I'll probably be horrible at being CTO.

Buryasia wrote:Hey here is an example of how you can run for a board position even if you are new or inexperienced: I am running for CLO, but I don't even know where these supposed polls are. Can anyone tell me how to see these polls?

Do you mean bylaws? If so, the link to them is here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=974045. There don't seem to be many.

Thanks Karbachav, but I meant the polls that Grater Tovakia was referring to ...

Concerning the poll (kind of), I'd like to know what you guys play nowadays. Be it the Switch or P.C. Master Race *barf*, what do y'all fancy in the new? Also, what are y'all excited for in the world of video games?

Unike

The Cincinnatus Republic wrote:Concerning the poll (kind of), I'd like to know what you guys play nowadays. Be it the Switch or P.C. Master Race *barf*, what do y'all fancy in the new? Also, what are y'all excited for in the world of video games?

I've been a PC gamer pretty much as long as I've been able to make that decision...

The only game I'm really looking forward to at the moment is Fallout 76.

It's set in my home state, and I've been a fallout fan for a while, so it's a double whammy of hype.

The Cincinnatus Republic

Grater Tovakia wrote:Residents of Lands End,

I am concerned about the state of the upcoming election. Currently out of the 4 board member positions available only 2 people (one of them being me) have announced there candidacy for one of these positions. for those of you who are unaware of the available positions here they are

COO: Grater Tovakia

CLO:Buryasia

CRO: Nobody

CTO: Nobody

Now I know that in the "what do you think of Lands End" poll the majority of people did not reply with "Awesome!" therefore indicating there is something in the region they are not happy with. If that is the case and you see nothing being done about it why do you sit and let others run unopposed? Of course, people will say "that is what elected officials are for" but what if board member slots are not filled? Who will you ask when you need help and three-quarters of the board is not there? What is the purpose of elections if no one is going to run? There also are many of you who are new and think that new people can't run in board elections. well I ran in the first election cycle of my term in Lands End, I won the race for CRO, and later became COO! There is nothing wrong with being new all it does is enrich the board and ultimately the region. I hope that many of you consider running after reading this message as the fate of Lands End depends on it!

What does the CRO and the CTO do exactly and what do they stand for?

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:I've been a PC gamer pretty much as long as I've been able to make that decision...

The only game I'm really looking forward to at the moment is Fallout 76.

It's set in my home state, and I've been a fallout fan for a while, so it's a double whammy of hype.

I also preordered it but I'm on the Xbox One

P.S what do you think of the fact that any progress made in the B.E.T.A will be carried over to the release making it so anyone who preordered it basically gets it a month early (B.E.T.A is confirmed for October release)

Hey guys, I am a new player. I was introduced to this game by my uni professor to try out. A good run so far but there are a lot i dont know about. Any tips for a new nation?

The Cincinnatus Republic

North Grenery wrote:What does the CRO and the CTO do exactly and what do they stand for?

Anyone who wants to know more about Lands End government, see this dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1022812

Phongnguyen wrote:... Any tips for a new nation?

Welcome, Phong! The main thing you can do to influence your nation's stats is just to play the issues. Don't be surprised when some issues have a different effect than you think, and don't worry -- you can change your nation over time into the way you like it with the issues.

Other things you can do in the game don't really affect your nation's stats but I personally enjoy staying active on the boards, including this board as well as the discord board, which you can access here: https://discordapp.com/channels/224112450302246922/402343339011211267

And when you have time, consider joining the World Assembly and becoming a shareholder here in Lands End.

Bluximburg

North Grenery wrote:What does the CRO and the CTO do exactly and what do they stand for?

CRO stands for Chief Recruiting Officer whose job is to send out recruitment telegrams and help new people in the region. CTO stands for Chief Trade Officer who is in charge of establishing and maintaining embassies (imagine it as the secretary of state). In regards to the poll, while I started on the OG Xbox with Halo now I am building a flight-sim/ARMA PC.

Bluximburg

Despite having been in the region for only a week, I am running for CRO, mostly because no-one else has stepped up to run, and I believe that having a CRO that doesn't know everything about the region is better than having no CRO.

Also, I do have some amount of experience with the general mechanics of nationstates, as I used to have a (fairly active) nation which I lost access to.

Unike, Buryasia, Grater Tovakia

The Cincinnatus Republic wrote:Concerning the poll (kind of), I'd like to know what you guys play nowadays. Be it the Switch or P.C. Master Race *barf*, what do y'all fancy in the new? Also, what are y'all excited for in the world of video games?

I'm looking forward to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate although Fallout 76 looks fun as well, also I play on Switch and PC.

On a side note: wow the poll is really close!

The Cincinnatus Republic

North Grenery wrote:I also preordered it but I'm on the Xbox One

P.S what do you think of the fact that any progress made in the B.E.T.A will be carried over to the release making it so anyone who preordered it basically gets it a month early (B.E.T.A is confirmed for October release)

I'm really not too bothered... I'm a casual gamer, so there are always people who will be more geared than I.

Besides, I've got a couple friends who will be in the beta and who I will be playing with, so I'll not be at much of a disadvantage.

North Grenery

Where's Ceylij? Are you running for something?

Buryasia wrote:Where's Ceylij? Are you running for something?

He was going to, but he can't move his WA into the region because he's

A: in the JTF

and B: has his main nation in the Cape.

Buryasia

As my turn at Building Manager is likely coming to an end since I am running unopposed at this time for CLO, I am posting the final building plans! I want everyone to take a look over the next two weeks and choose a room you would like. Please claim rooms here on the RMB. I feel whoever calls their room first should have dibs. The available rooms are 2A-2K, 3A-3K, and so on. Note that the 2nd floor copies itself as we grow so the 3rd, 4th, etc, are going to look exactly like the 2nd, but of course different nations will have rooms on each floor. The building manager's room is on the top floor, which for now is mine, and it's pretty sweet. The ground floor has no rooms for nations but instead is kind of security and storage for trade and defense of Lands End. Hope y'all like it, because I don't plan on changing it. The building plans are available to be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/s1cQeYf. Even if you never post on the board, do so just this one time to claim your room in our sweet new HQ!

Bluximburg

I assume that 2A, 2B, 2C, 2H, 2J, and 2K have doors leading to the main hallway? If so, I call room 2H.

Also, the Common Room needs a door.

Hey, so what is our thoughts on the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators?

North Grenery wrote:Hey, so what is our thoughts on the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators?

What's that?

Assuming that we're talking about the region and not the nation, it's exactly what it sounds like -- a region where every nation is a corrupt dictatorship.

Multiple completely unrelated things:

1. Given that, to the best of my knowledge, every candidate in this election is running unopposed, do we want to enable write-in votes?

2. Do we want to post a region advertisement on Reddit(https://bit.ly/2MwpOAU)? It seems like it would help with recruitment.

3. If anyone is wondering why 4 nations departed Lands End for Balder within a minute of each other, it's called me learning what a puppet nation is. Balder was the first non-feeder region that I found.

4. While I was looking through passed General Resolutions, I found General Resolution #35(https://bit.ly/2Oqt9SL) which basically 1. Requires private businesses to not discriminate based on anything, and 2. Requires nations to, in effect, enact hate crime laws. Given that this is against the beliefs of many of our countries, does anyone want to draft or co-draft a resolution to repeal this?

5. Are we replacing the Lands End map with the Lands End Office, or are they both going to exist?

6. I was bored, so I decided to rank the shareholders (that I know of) by the number of WA endorsements that they have.

Speaking of shareholders, the shareholders list currently has 10 people that are no longer shareholders, and is missing at least 2 shareholders.

1. Bluximberg: 31

2. Nordhpadhan: 24

3. Bonnie Blue Republic: 23

4. Okla-Texas: 22

5. Hollip: 21

T6. Legoa: 20

T6. The American Imperialists: 20

T6. The United Banking Association: 20

9. The Sand Grains: 19

T10. Minarchic States of America: 18

T10. Buryasia: 18

T10. Fanter Kesh: 18

T10. Metal Cybersnake: 18

14. Unike: 16

T15. Modern Israel: 15

T15. Waikaloa: 15

T17. The Cincinnatus Republic: 14

T17. Grater Tovakia: 14

19. The Democracy of Red Star: 13

20. Kiselev: 12

21. Danneskjoldstan: 11

22. Mythel: 9

23. Karbachav: 8

24. Daircoill: 6

Hollip, The American Imperialists, The Sand Grains

Is it too late to run for CTO? I hear that position is still empty.

Bluximburg

Karbachav wrote:Multiple completely unrelated things:

6. I was bored, so I decided to rank the shareholders (that I know of) by the number of WA endorsements that they have.

Speaking of shareholders, the shareholders list currently has 10 people that are no longer shareholders, and is missing at least 1 shareholder.

1. Bluximberg: 31

2. Nordhpadhan: 24

3. Bonnie Blue Republic: 23

4. Okla-Texas: 22

T5. Legoa: 20

T5. The American Imperialists: 20

T5. The United Banking Association: 20

8. The Sand Grains: 19

T9. Minarchic States of America: 18

T9. Buryasia: 18

T9. Fanter Kesh: 18

T9. Metal Cybersnake: 18

13. Unike: 16

T14. Modern Israel: 15

T14. Waikaloa: 15

T16. The Cincinnatus Republic: 14

T16. Grater Tovakia: 14

18. The Democracy of Red Star: 13

19. Kiselev: 12

20. Danneskjoldstan: 11

21. Mythel: 9

22. Karbachav: 8

23. Daircoill: 6

Good morning. I believe you'll find that The Parent Company of Hollip is also a Shareholder, please amend your list or you will be fired upon.

Thank you in advance for your swift resolution,

Hollip (The guy at the top of all census reports)

Atkemri

Please note changes: election will commence on Monday and end on Wednesday. You still have time to announce your candidacy for office if you wish. Please do so before Monday. Nominations will close on Sunday night. Additionally, please telegram me your candidacy so I can keep record. Thank you.

Atkemri

Karbachav wrote:I assume that 2A, 2B, 2C, 2H, 2J, and 2K have doors leading to the main hallway? If so, I call room 2H.

Also, the Common Room needs a door.

Meh, I thought I was done. Thank for the extra set of eyes Karbachav.

North Grenery wrote:Hey, so what is our thoughts on the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators?

I think they are spamming my telegrams trying to recruit. Do we have a bylaw about that?

Karbachav wrote:Multiple completely unrelated things:

snip

1. No

2. Talk to the current CRO, or the new one after the election. If it is you, IMHO, go ahead, it's a good idea.

3. Ok

4. I think our clout at the WA is at its low ebb. No one is buying our sovereignty argument, last I checked. You will find a plethora of resolutions we oppose. Blux is the delegate. I agree with your sentiment but I would not go so far as to ask anyone to draft anything. If they did, they'd want to get on the forums and try to build a consensus rather than going it alone.

5. Lands End map? What Lands End map? Yes, the building map is instead of a world map.

6. I would have said good sleuthing but it seems you have awakened the giant Hollip Company by poking a stick in its eye.

Bluximburg wrote:Please note changes: election will commence on Monday and end on Wednesday. You still have time to announce your candidacy for office if you wish. Please do so before Monday. Nominations will close on Sunday night. Additionally, please telegram me your candidacy so I can keep record. Thank you.

Hope you get at least 4 telegrams before Sunday Blux.

Jzharko wrote:Is it too late to run for CTO? I hear that position is still empty.

You should. Email Blux.

Atkemri, Bluximburg

Sorry everyone if I have not been involved/active I had something come up so for the next couple Days I will be inactive sorry for the short notice.

Atkemri, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic

Hollip wrote:Good morning. I believe you'll find that The Parent Company of Hollip is also a Shareholder, please amend your list or you will be fired upon.

Thank you in advance for your swift resolution,

Hollip (The guy at the top of all census reports)

I apologize to Hollip for forgetting to add their nation to the shareholders list. If I have not added you to that list of endorsments, it is because your name is not on the official list of shareholders posted here: https://bit.ly/2vUCYjV.

Atkemri

Karbachav wrote:I apologize to Hollip for forgetting to add their nation to the shareholders list. If I have not added you to that list of endorsments, it is because your name is not on the official list of shareholders posted here: https://bit.ly/2vUCYjV.

Your begs for mercy have been duly noted and all nuclear warheads have been disengaged. Thank you for your cooperation.

Hollip (The guy at the top of the census reports)

Atkemri, The Cincinnatus Republic

Karbachav wrote:Multiple completely unrelated things:

1. Given that, to the best of my knowledge, every candidate in this election is running unopposed, do we want to enable write-in votes?

2. Do we want to post a region advertisement on Reddit(https://bit.ly/2MwpOAU)? It seems like it would help with recruitment.

3. If anyone is wondering why 4 nations departed Lands End for Balder within a minute of each other, it's called me learning what a puppet nation is. Balder was the first non-feeder region that I found.

4. While I was looking through passed General Resolutions, I found General Resolution #35(https://bit.ly/2Oqt9SL) which basically 1. Requires private businesses to not discriminate based on anything, and 2. Requires nations to, in effect, enact hate crime laws. Given that this is against the beliefs of many of our countries, does anyone want to draft or co-draft a resolution to repeal this?

5. Are we replacing the Lands End map with the Lands End Office, or are they both going to exist?

6. I was bored, so I decided to rank the shareholders (that I know of) by the number of WA endorsements that they have.

Speaking of shareholders, the shareholders list currently has 10 people that are no longer shareholders, and is missing at least 2 shareholders.

1. Bluximberg: 31

2. Nordhpadhan: 24

3. Bonnie Blue Republic: 23

4. Okla-Texas: 22

5. Hollip: 21

T6. Legoa: 20

T6. The American Imperialists: 20

T6. The United Banking Association: 20

9. The Sand Grains: 19

T10. Minarchic States of America: 18

T10. Buryasia: 18

T10. Fanter Kesh: 18

T10. Metal Cybersnake: 18

14. Unike: 16

T15. Modern Israel: 15

T15. Waikaloa: 15

T17. The Cincinnatus Republic: 14

T17. Grater Tovakia: 14

19. The Democracy of Red Star: 13

20. Kiselev: 12

21. Danneskjoldstan: 11

22. Mythel: 9

23. Karbachav: 8

24. Daircoill: 6

Great work Karbachav! I think you'd make a great CRO.

Buryasia

Good Morning! (EST) I am back earlier than expected, those of you who have TGed me will have responses soon. The following is my response to the 50 something questions over the past day

Jzharko wrote:Is it too late to run for CTO? I hear that position is still empty.

No, it is never too late as the elections are Monday. Feel free to run

Buryasia wrote:snip

The link does not work, I want a good office and if Legoa gets a better office than me I am air striking our office and we have to build a new one.

Karbachav wrote:Snip

2. I had a multi-thread plan for recruitment during my terms as CRO which was cut short by a period of forced inactivity and our COO stepping down. The plan was this: on the NS forums we would have a weekly talk show with people from around lands end. On Reddit, we would have a website type forum page (look at some of the best econ forums on NS for example), and finally, I was going to make a youtube tutorial that shamelessly promotes our region. So food for thought if you become CRO. 3. I have my own region for that 4. they can't enforce what they don't know about/ sure 5. yeah not sure when/why that was made but it's old 6. whoever the hell is not endorsing me, as Sheila buff says "JUST DO IT!"

North Grenery wrote:Hey, so what are our thoughts on the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators?

If they are spam TGing you let me deal with them "M1A1 rolls past" Edit: are you sure that's there name? I put it in and there is no region with that name.

Buryasia, Bluximburg

Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators

Seems like another completely original and fantastic region that gathers a whole bunch of nations to be totally active and engage in regional matters.. Until they all lose interest and the place dies within 6 weeks because it's exactly the same as 90% of other regions; discord, map and all. I'd pay them no further attention.

Hollip (Guy at the top of all census reports and absolute pessimist)

EDIT: Founder is also the first and current Delegate. That alone tells you everything you need to know.

Buryasia

Grater Tovakia wrote:Good Morning! (EST)

The link does not work, I want a good office and if Legoa gets a better office than me I am air striking our office and we have to build a new one.

Whoa whoa whoa!! Hold on Grater Tovakia! What did I do to deserve that?

Grater Tovakia wrote:Good Morning! (EST) I am back earlier than expected, those of you who have TGed me will have responses soon. The following is my response to the 50 something questions over the past day

Confederation of Corrupt Dictators that's is their name I checked again then I went to their page and copied it directly

No, it is never too late as the elections are Monday. Feel free to run

The link does not work, I want a good office and if Legoa gets a better office than me I am air striking our office and we have to build a new one.

2. I had a multi-thread plan for recruitment during my terms as CRO which was cut short by a period of forced inactivity and our COO stepping down. The plan was this: on the NS forums we would have a weekly talk show with people from around lands end. On Reddit, we would have a website type forum page (look at some of the best econ forums on NS for example), and finally, I was going to make a youtube tutorial that shamelessly promotes our region. So food for thought if you become CRO. 3. I have my own region for that 4. they can't enforce what they don't know about/ sure 5. yeah not sure when/why that was made but it's old 6. whoever the hell is not endorsing me, as Sheila buff says "JUST DO IT!"

If they are spam TGing you let me deal with them "M1A1 rolls past" Edit: are you sure that's there name? I put it in and there is no region with that name.

Sea View

It has come to my attention that there are certain individuals who are attempting to remove me from office as delegate. I have done my duty as delegate and will not resign. If the region wishes for me to step aside then unendorse me. Ultimately it is the shareholders and residents who should decide.

The Cincinnatus Republic

Bluximburg wrote:It has come to my attention that there are certain individuals who are attempting to remove me from office as delegate. I have done my duty as delegate and will not resign. If the region wishes for me to step aside then unendorse me. Ultimately it is the shareholders and residents who should decide.

I am simply trying to ensure, in my role as CLO, that everyone in the region is aware of your actions with regard to the CEO election.

That is all.

The Cincinnatus Republic

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:I have made no attempt to unseat you from the delegacy.

I have merely tried to ensure, in my role as CLO, that everyone in the region is aware of your actions with regard to the CEO election.

That is all.

Bonnie Blue Republic also said this:

"I will say again:

Our World Assembly Delegate refused to honor the results of a legally conducted election.

I leave it to you whether or not that's grounds to take the delegacy from him...

But I will be withdrawing my endorsement.

I only hope you do the same."

I think that we have slightly contradictory quotes here.

Karbachav wrote:Bonnie Blue Republic also said this:

"I will say again:

Our World Assembly Delegate refused to honor the results of a legally conducted election.

I leave it to you whether or not that's grounds to take the delegacy from him...

But I will be withdrawing my endorsement.

I only hope you do the same."

I think that we have slightly contradictory quotes here.

These are not contradictory.

The telegram was informing the nations of this region of Bluximburg's transgression, and stating what I, personally, have done in response.

That is only one side of the story. The election results were supposed to be locked. Here is the deal, BBR ran on for CEO on a recount not on the actual election. I refused to accept the results and asked for the the election to take place when a new board is elected. I think that is fair. I am not planning on running for CEO. I ran because no one was running. I was initially running unopposed, and when the election concluded, I was not declared winner because the then COO was removed from office. Grater Tovakia was then elected to office and I asked him to initiate a recount of the votes. A recount of an election does not involve new candidates. So tehnically, it was BBR who breached protocol. Additionally, the CTO resigned making Grater Tovakia, BBR, and me the only members of the board. I suggested that we postpone the election since the new election cycle is due. I think BBR has been slandering me behind my back and I think it is absolutely unacceptable. I technically complained about the election before the results were called. I will ask Tovakia to release the discord time stamp to prove his allegation against me. Additionally, using mass telegrams to spread false rumors about me is unethical and illegal. Perhaps Tovakia should continue to release the full correspondance to give others the full picture. he conveniently left out the fact that I did in fact complain about the election before it was called. The transcript that you sent was skewed and you left out my telegram which stated :"I hope you see the issue with the current election." You also left out the fact that I did mention time stamps in my telegrams. I stand by my actions, and I will refuse to concede to those who would use deceit to win.

Also, BBR you can't use words like transgression to describe my actions. That is a legally inaccurate description. I did not transgress or violate any set rule in the course of the controversy. In fact, I was cooperative and willing to seek an equitable solution. On the other hand, you have technically broken the rules in using the mass telegram system to propogate your agenda against me. That is illegal! Your telergram under the CLO title should have also been addressed to me which it was not. You used words which painted me in a bad light without giving me time to at least state my arguments and defend myself. Also, the transcript you sent out was skewed and left out critical details which would have significant impact on your narrative. Essentially, your intention was to blindside me. This is not justice at all. If you have a problem with me, that us fine. We can sort it out with debate and find a compromise. However, your current actions are amateurish and juvenile!

On the side note, perhaps I should run for CLO since I have actual real world legal experience.

Ok, I will admit that I wrongly called it a "recount" probably should have renamed it after I knew BBR was running but seriously how is that mishandling the election? I released the full correspondence except for the ballots which your phony "complaint" was located on, why if you were SO opposed to the way this election had been handled did you not TG me right after I announced BBR as a candidate? Once you SUBMITTED your ballot your complaint was invalid, the only reason I caved was that because you lost you decided to adopt a scorched earth policy and just make me, BBR, and the region look bad. I ran the election fairly and by the book, and for you to say otherwise is just childish. Also if you actually bothered to read the transcript you would have seen that your timestamp comment was included.

Bluximburg wrote:snip

I don't know what happened. But I thought it was odd that the CLO was sending telegrams instead of an investigation or ruling.

Bluximburg wrote:On the side note, perhaps I should run for CLO since I have actual real world legal experience.

That's fine, but, please pick an office and pick one soon so we can have elections. If you do, I might switch and run for a different office.

In all it seems like we have a controversy but no formal charges so lets try to get the election underway ASAP and move on. People are gonna do what they want with their endos, so there's really nothing to see here.

Bonnie Blue Republic

No matter who is in the wrong with this election I think it certainly could've been handled a little better by all involved.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, Nordhpadhan, Tri-Galleon Yudobya

Residents and Shareholders of Lands End,

Some of you may have noticed that for the first time in quite a while a new embassy is under construction! For quite a long time I have been wanting to construct an embassy with The Sands and now we finally did it! At The Sands, you can play all sorts of games ranging from Craps to Roulette! One can also enjoy the great music and food as well as converse with the hundreds of nations who regularly visit The Sands. Construction will be finished in 2 days so be patient and get ready to have the time of your life at The Sands!

Buryasia

I have a question. Why is the region named after a clothing company?

Sea View

Is the region on fire again? I have noticed that whenever I decide to leave some problem starts. First time I left there was some huge arguement. Then Tesdai got banned, and now this. Weird.

Buryasia

Atkemri wrote:Is the region on fire again? I have noticed that whenever I decide to leave some problem starts. First time I left there was some huge arguement. Then Tesdai got banned, and now this. Weird.

You could say we're on fire, yes.

Personally, I think whoever feels the most up to the task of reaching out to many other regions' delegates to prevent the passage of the soon-to-come capital punishment ban in the WA should be the delegate. And to function as a region we need to hold elections, recruit, fight for economic and political freedom from the tyranny of the WA and mostly need to present a united front.

Unike, Atkemri, The Cincinnatus Republic

Buryasia wrote:Personally, I think whoever feels the most up to the task of reaching out to many other regions' delegates to prevent the passage of the soon-to-come capital punishment ban in the WA should be the delegate. And to function as a region we need to hold elections, recruit, fight for economic and political freedom from the tyranny of the WA and mostly need to present a united front.

I 100% agree with this.

Buryasia

The title of the WA resolution is rather misleading upon first glance. Glad I read it.

A reminder that today is the last day to announce candidacy for office. Here, to the best of my knowledge, are the current candidates:

Board of Directors:

COO ('Official operations and functions', second-in-command): Grater Tovakia

CLO (Trials/Punishment, Bylaws): Buraysia

CRO (Recruitment/Integration): Karbachav

CTO (Building regional relationships/embassies): Jzharko

CIO (Offsite properties(?)/tech): No candidates running.

Senior Managment:

Building Manager (Self-explanatory): No candidates running.

Vice President for Public Relations (News): No candidates running.

Vice President for Accounting (Statistics/Quarterly reports): No candidates running.

Vice President for Research (Polls): No candidates running.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Grater Tovakia

Karbachav wrote:A reminder that today is the last day to announce candidacy for office. Here, to the best of my knowledge, are the current candidates:

Board of Directors:

COO ('Official operations and functions', second-in-command): Grater Tovakia

CLO (Trials/Punishment, Bylaws): Buraysia

CRO (Recruitment/Integration): Karbachav

CTO (Building regional relationships/embassies): Jzharko

CIO (Offsite properties(?)/tech): No candidates running.

Senior Managment:

Building Manager (Self-explanatory): No candidates running.

Vice President for Public Relations (News): No candidates running.

Vice President for Accounting (Statistics/Quarterly reports): No candidates running.

Vice President for Research (Polls): No candidates running.

Senior management is apointed and CIO I dont think is nescary anymore due to the Centralized nature of our offsite properties. But otherwise very good list!

Buryasia

Grater Tovakia wrote:Senior management is appointed.

Somehow I managed to catch that for Ambassador but no-one else. Thank you!

Grater Tovakia wrote:CIO I don't think is necessary anymore due to the centralized nature of our offsite properties.

Okay... the government page should be updated to remove 'CIO'. Also, should we try to add a 7th role so that we have an odd number of people on the board of directors?

Buryasia

Karbachav wrote:

Okay... the government page should be updated to remove 'CIO'. Also, should we try to add a 7th role so that we have an odd number of people on the board of directors?

I would support such a resolution. Maybe something related to security or the JTF.

On another note, may I ask why 8 people (including our delegate) have voted in favor of the current WA resolution? It is my understanding that the author wants to repeal it so the death penalty can be BANNED! Now as my nation regularly executes criminals, workers whos negligence results in death, and terrorists this resolution would greatly hurt my country!

Buryasia

Grater Tovakia wrote:On another note, may I ask why 8 people (including our delegate) have voted in favor of the current WA resolution? It is my understanding that the author wants to repeal it so the death penalty can be BANNED! Now as my nation regularly executes criminals, workers whos negligence results in death, and terrorists this resolution would greatly hurt my country!

I suspect one or two have voted without reading thoroughly, or at least I hope so.

Grater Tovakia wrote:I would support such a resolution. Maybe something related to security or the JTF.

On another note, may I ask why 8 people (including our delegate) have voted in favor of the current WA resolution? It is my understanding that the author wants to repeal it so the death penalty can be BANNED! Now as my nation regularly executes criminals, workers whos negligence results in death, and terrorists this resolution would greatly hurt my country!

Death penalty is a medieval residue that is used by Dictatorships to execute the oppositions.

Our Judicial system thinks that the criminals are people who think in a wrong way. Therefore we connect criminal minds to a virtual reality world, then we accelerate the time of the simulation in such a way that the criminals think to be recluded in prison for 80 virtual years instead of 1 real year. The simulation uses psicology and religion to change the mind of said criminals. The simulation has the scope to reabilitate the criminal minds and convert them into good ciizens. Then we disconnect the reabilitated criminal minds and the reabilitated criminals have to work for other 10 years in agricultural field to be sure that their transformation is true. If they reabilitate themselves, then our Federation reabilitate them as full free citizens, elseif they are bad people, the Federal Army uses them for suicide missions. That's all folk.

I thank all of you for supporting me as delegate. I hope that we can all come to a peaceful resolution and focus on the future of the region. I will be posting the ballot by tonight.

The United Banking Associaton, Buryasia, Nordhpadhan, Tri-Galleon Yudobya

Nordhpadhan wrote: Our Judicial system thinks that the criminals are people who think in a wrong way. Therefore we connect criminal minds to a virtual reality world, then we accelerate the time of the simulation in such a way that the criminals think to be recluded in prison for 80 virtual years instead of 1 real year. The simulation uses psychology and religion to change the mind of said criminals.

Can you sell me this simulation?

Nordhpadhan wrote:Death penalty is a medieval residue that is used by Dictatorships to execute the oppositions.

Our Judicial system thinks that the criminals are people who think in a wrong way. Therefore we connect criminal minds to a virtual reality world, then we accelerate the time of the simulation in such a way that the criminals think to be recluded in prison for 80 virtual years instead of 1 real year. The simulation uses psicology and religion to change the mind of said criminals. The simulation has the scope to reabilitate the criminal minds and convert them into good ciizens. Then we disconnect the reabilitated criminal minds and the reabilitated criminals have to work for other 10 years in agricultural field to be sure that their transformation is true. If they reabilitate themselves, then our Federation reabilitate them as full free citizens, elseif they are bad people, the Federal Army uses them for suicide missions. That's all folk.

I'd be quite interested to hear more about these army suicide missions.. Perhaps you should invest more in your military if they frequently find themselves carrying out suicide missions

It's nice to know that 5 other people understand the truth about Australia :P

How are you all doing today?

Atkemri

Grater Tovakia wrote:On another note, may I ask why 8 people (including our delegate) have voted in favor of the current WA resolution? It is my understanding that the author wants to repeal it so the death penalty can be BANNED! Now as my nation regularly executes criminals, workers whos negligence results in death, and terrorists this resolution would greatly hurt my country!

If I understood the resolution, it does repeal previous restrictions, which I agree with and therefore I voted FOR. But the author also plans to introduce a total ban on capital punishment in the future, which I will oppose.

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