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Region: Lands End
Anyone faced the Guns or Butter issue yet? I want to slash the military budget so I can cut taxes, but I'm wondering how severe the impact would be. Any advice would be appreciated.
Some of what you are saying is good, but I don't think the National Sovereignty bit will be too attractive to most members of the WA. The WA has been split between 2 "parties" if you will, for a very long time. There are those who vote for national sovereignty, and those who vote for WA regulations. As far as I can tell, it would be very difficult for a resolution that is very clearly on one side of the spectrum to be passed by the WA. I think for this resolution to succeed, you need to exclude the National Sovereignty bit, and replace it with other reasons to vote for it that aren't directly related to National Sovereignty. Maybe focus on economy only, or other evidence that may appeal to a wider group of nations that just the Anti-WA nations. You can have this other evidence and still have freedom of National Sovereignty as your underlying reason for the resolution, or maybe just hint at it within the proposal. If a nation really is for National Sovereignty, they will see it whether you directly state it in the resolution or not.
I would suggest posting this on the WA forums, to gauge opinions on it, get other tips, and get it cleaned up before submitting it to the WA. They are a picky bunch, so you'll want it to look its best when you submit.
I'm glad we have interest in the WA and we now have a nation or 2 looking to contribute in other ways than just voting.
Buryasia, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives, Pafilon
Thanks
Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
I don't understand this WA Security issue. We should liberate Kaiserrich, but also condemn it on the basis of their speech and use of questionable symbols? What kind of bill is this? It's obviously one that's poorly written and deviates from the main topic. The only place that bill belongs is in the trash.
Saint Gloria, Fanter Kesh
Back to the map for a second, we could just have regions/districts/counties, etc. Instead of having land specific to literally everyone in our region, we could allow people to form districts and have them decide their geography. This way it would pool people together instead of having our map look like the Holy Roman Empire.
Saint Gloria, Some Random Lands
This seems overly complicated. Let's say we make a map, which I'm not promising, it would be done as it was always done anytime we had a map. Anyone who wanted to be on the map would have to request to be on it. People wouldn't be put on the map just for being here, so it wouldn't be as large as I'm guessing you're thinking.
That set aside, I'm of the belief that if we did anything at all, a corporate layout would make more sense than a standard map. I think you're all forgetting that we are corporate themed, very unique for a good sized overall successful region. I don't see a good reason to conflict with that in favor of something as commonly done as a standard map. If we did anything at all, a corporate layout rather than a map would stand out more and suit the region better.
Either way, neither a map nor a corporate layout is top priority currently, especially with the dispatches being a mess and confusing residents. If I were any of you, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high just yet.
Saint Gloria, Bluximburg
Glad to see the UN thing is now being reduced to hate speech to get peoples opinions to match theirs
Bluximburg
I am completely disgusted by this Liberate Kaiserriech thing... I have said before how I feel about all of this name calling with a regions ideology. Serving as a warning to other Nazi and fascist regions, when this goes through I will lose all hope for the SC
Saint Gloria
Torranta, Strongly considering leaving WA, it's getting ridiculous
Saint Gloria, Butcherhooks
I'm back.
ANNOUNCEMENT:
At the moment, the region's recruitment API is down.
This means automated recruitment is not currently happening.
I'll put it back up ASAP, but that's not likely to occur until tomorrow evening.
What the SC doesn't understand is that being offensive and doing all the stuff they say KREICH is doing does not mean they're Nazi's. It really is just innocent humor.
B-B-B-But Nazis are BAD PEOPLE!
(/s)
And did you really just like an RMB post from 301 days ago?
Yes I was just going through time. I just realized my first post was on page 23. Currently we are on page 272. I have almost been here for a hundred pages. I now consider myself a veteran capitalist.
Modern Israel
Time flies...
I think I'm actually the only active member of my vintage.
Would you like to know how long Atkemri has existed?
335 Days.
The BBR is at 360...
Almost a year.
It really doesn't feel like it...
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
I know. It's like I joined nationstates and by extension this region yesterday. It's kind of amazing how this region has evolved
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Must not get nostalgic
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Mission failed we'll get them next time
Unike, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
I've been a region member longer, but your first RMB post was before mine. Intriguing.
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Speaking of old things my birthday is tommorow!
Unike, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
ANNOUNCEMENT:
The API is back up. Turns out, I wasn't having computer troubles...
My cat had clawed my VGA cable, which led to problems.
Luckily, I have about ten VGA cables sitting around for no good reason.
Good for you.
I'd give you a cake, but we're only internet friends...
Unike, Buryasia, Clarkentrent, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
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Don't double post, if you need to add something just edit your post.
Happy Birthday!
Also I just posted my Repeal. Feel free to check it out. Also, I added some more stuff about the economy and environment but kept the stuff about National Sovereignty because I figured that I'll have at least half on my side with that alone.
Unike
Happy birthday atkemri!
Atkemri
Thanks guys!
Unike
Honestly the WA has been a bit crazy recently. Usually I get sent a couple telegrams appealing for me to vote for or against an issue because of being a delegate and all, but recently I've received 6 or 7 just for one resolution. And most of them are dumb.
Just joining the nostalgia party... I've been here about 254 days. About 8 and a half months... I know its not as long as BBR and stuff, but it is sort of long in relation to most in this region. I still for the most part consider myself a new nation, especially in this region, but I guess it's been a bit of a long time. I still see myself as a rookie nation who just so happens to have lucked out and gotten into the government.
Unike, The United Banking Associaton, Bluximburg
Hey what ever happened to Xadrya
Can I get a long live the USSR ? JK
Да здравствует Соединенные Штаты Америки!
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
I always thought that I was older than you, I've been on NationStates for 314 days.
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
He got banned.
I'm not all too surprised about that.
How was everyone's Spring Break?
The Cincinnatus Republic
Didn't happen.
Well, sorta. WV Public school... the spring break we were supposed to get is gone, but we got nine days off with the strike.
Ours starts on Wednesday... We get a week and a half
Right, school walkouts?
Lol my spring break started this week
I've been here 1984 days. The WA has NEVER been this bad. In my opinion. The idiots that keep putting up these "Anti-nazi" things? In my opinion they're the nazi's and facists for surpressing peoples right to run the nation how they please. I've seen one nation go around submitting these stupid "Condem nationalist socialist *insert nation*". Vote against it if you support free speech
Saint Gloria, Fanter Kesh, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives, Waikaloa
What kind of issues are these in the WA? Last time I checked, nazism became irrelevant after 1945. Who cares if someone wants to abide by the doctrine of national socialism or fascism? It's their choice. To be able to experiment with a certain ideology without doing harm is the right of everyone. Besides, it's clear the anti-fascists are the real fascists. They, including real fascists, are both incredibly authoritarian.
Saint Gloria, Fanter Kesh, Some Random Lands
It's condemning and "Liberating", nations that these people putting the proposals forward they ID as "nazi" or "Facists" this has really only started recently. If you suppress peoples rights to free speech, you therefor are being a facist in your own actions. Personally I'm about ready to leave the WA, it's getting ridiculous
Saint Gloria, Atkemri, Fanter Kesh, Butcherhooks, Some Random Lands, Waikaloa
Archen Federation, Saint Gloria, Nordhpadhan
Bonnie Blue mentioned the West Virginia teacher's strike. Got to say I'm a supporter. My understanding is they got what they wanted - good for them.
In two weeks.
The United Banking Associaton
also in too weeks
The United Banking Associaton
Got my first tattoo.
Also I'd respect the walk out more if the students didn't oohhhh idk, go destroy shtuff?
Also I'm kinda sick of the WA's recent regular things for one. It keeps screwing my economy up.
Saint Gloria, Okla-Texas
First tattoo? Cool, what is it?
Friendly reminder to visit The Breakroom through embassy posting for some good RP fun and to take a break from all the corporate work your doing in our global scale company.
Saint Gloria
youre*
Sry, I had to do it
Saint Gloria, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives, Cizicus
Another Security Consul "Liberating Nazi Europa" what in gods name is the WA doing?
Being morons. As usual.
Bluximburg it's SPQR XII
United Anime Emirates
Huh?
New to the region (and to NationStates.) Hope you'll treat me well.
Got my finals this week, and then next week will be spring break for me.
Wenchdom, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Students? Destroying stuff?
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
United Anime Emirates, Bluximburg
bonjour!
Saint Gloria, Buryasia
Ahoy there!
It is indeed unfortunate.
Fanter Kesh, Okla-Texas, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
So apparently an issue I responded to resulted in my nation having the most stalkers per capita in all of LE.
Hesse, Archen Federation, Buryasia, Clarkentrent, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives, Pafilon, East Bjela-Kretzki
Hello all! I'm relatively new to Land's End, but have played Nation States off and on for many years. A few thoughts on the recent WA resolution "Liberating Nazi Europe". While my nation strongly rejects any attempt to curb a sovereign nations political freedoms, we also feel this could be a lucrative opportunity. We can't stop the WA from voting yes, but liberating a nation through invasion will remove certain domestic barriers to foreign investment, even at what some might deem "excessive" interest rates. While it's unfortunate that Nazi Europa has been targeted, there is no sense in crying over spilled milk. The WA will get the blame/credit for liberating the region. We should focus on making sure that the new regime is friendly toward Lands End's corporations. And because Lands End has voted strongly to protect Nazi Europa's sovereignty, we're confident that any new regions created by Nazi Europa's current leadership, will also offer excellent investment opportunities.
Wenchdom, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Isnt that another argument for a No vote? If its going to pass anyway, why have any part of it?
I vote against every liberation as a principle, but even for pragmatic reasons its better to keep your reputation and vote No on this one.
Wenchdom
Hello!
one of the issues I had today has me wondering: when, if ever, is it appropriate for the people of a nation to burn their own flag?
You all think the WA's being insane? Try being the Delegate... Seriously though, I've been receiving appeals to approve these piddly little proposals, then receiving counter-TG's why I shouldn't, then whiny little complaints about how I didn't approve their dumb proposal and how I am a monster for having an opinion all over the same proposal. This happens for every proposal submitted. Every time I log on, I see at least 3 of these dumb TGs. By the way, sorry I've been inactive for a couple days. Had some stuff going on. I'm usually on here pretty close to 24/7, but even I have to take a break sometimes.
All right, we've been down for a few days, and I don't like it. This half-active mess is not what I call Lands End.
Hesse, Clarkentrent, Waikaloa
No purge. Some TGs get tagged to WA members in general, but most are tagged to WA Delegates.
Hello, I am the leader of Conghuay, Alecs Tiplea. We just wanted to introduce myself as a fairly friendly and peaceful conservative country, unless challenged. We are here to support anyone in the alliance and/or the region. We try to keep our citizens happy, but safe at the same time.
Saint Gloria, Torranta, Pafilon
Today's my nation's first birthday! I can't believe I've already been here for a whole year.
Daircoill, Buryasia, Waikaloa, Pafilon, Conghuay
Happy birthday, from the government and leader of Conghuay
Saint Gloria, Waikaloa
I prefer to stay off the raider radar by not getting in the middle of a fascist v. anti-fascist pukefest.
Conghuay
With all the recent complaints about the WA, here is my reply:
My concrete policy on SC resolutions is as such:
[list]A. Commends/Condemns
[list]1. Regions/nations are free to practice whatever political ideology they please
2. Regions/nations must not be condemned or commended based of political ideologies.
3. A region/nation may be commended through their contributions to the whole of their region or to the whole of NationStates in general only.
4. A region/nation may be condemned based off poor behavior on the site, poor political management, and detrimental contributions to NationStates.[/list]
B. Raider regions
[list]1. Raiding in itself is not condemnable.
2. Regions may raid with impunity
3. Regions can only be condemned for raiding the following regions:
[list]a. The Pacific
b. The North Pacific
c. The South Pacific
d. The West Pacific
e. The East Pacific
f. The Rejected Realms
g. Osiris
h. Balder
i. Lazarus[/list]
4. This is because these regions are Game-Created, and serve an essential function to NationStates as a whole and are the only regions to do so[/list]
C. Liberating Regions
[list]1. Note that Liberating a region means to lift a password set by the Delegate or founder of a region, allowing nations to enter the region freely, or to open the region for attack.
2. Regions should not be liberated for symbolic purposes, or to open for invasion.
3. If a resolution shows any signs of liberation for symbolic purposes, it will not be voted for
4. A resolution for Liberation will only be voted for if its sole purpose is to
[list]a. allow ejected nations to enter back into their home region
b. to allow native nations to attempt to retake their home-region[/list][/list]
D. Miscellaneous
[list]1. Raiding/Defending is an essential and popular component of NationStates
2. Raiding/Defending is a good thing when kept in check by certain measures
3. Hereby declares the realm of raiding/defending to be bound by the following conditions
[list]a. Nations must be able to attempt to retake their region
b. for this reason, passwords are deemed unfair to this cause
c. a password may be set by the region to prevent raiding
d. a password may not be set by raider regions to prevent recapturing or defending[/list]
4. For these reasons, any resolution that prevents an aspect of R/D from being fair, or enables an unacceptable password to be set, will be voted against[/list]
E. Finally
[list]1. These rules/policies do not bind any nation in Lands End
2. Nations in Lands End are not required to vote according to this, but are recommended to do so
3. This policy only determines what I, the current Delegate votes for
4. Holding the lion's share of the regions WA representation, I have made this list according to what I believe the region's best interests are, and to inform the public of what I have concluded
5. If I am wrong, please contact me and give me your opinion on the topic or on a specific resolution
Daircoill, Grennick Gold, Buryasia, Wenchdom, Fanter Kesh, Bluximburg, Waikaloa
Hello.
Atkemri, Wenchdom, The Cincinnatus Republic
This is not a bill. This is my personal policy on what I, as a WA Delegate will vote for or against. I published it on the rmb, because, as the Delegate, I represent all the nations of Lands End in the World Assembly, so I need to make sure that you all agree with it. Since you all have expressed your disdain for the recent activities of the WA I shaped this personal policy based on what you all have said so I can more easily vote according to you guys. If my policy contradicts anything you guys want, tell me personally, because each WA resolution is different and has different circumstances and outcomes, so this policy is not necessarily concrete, but flexible to work around different resolutions. Just to clarify, this is not a bill that will be voted on, this is an informative outline of what I will vote for. However, nations that do not agree with this policy are recommended to vote according to it, so as to make the representation of this region in the WA more unified and powerful. This doesn't mean that nations are forbidden from voting not according to this policy, because I am not telling individual nations how they can vote. That would be ludicrous.
Now, concerning the current resolution to Liberate the East Pacific, I have voted FOR this resolution. This is because of my aforementioned declaration of a region's right to run itself in whatever political ideology or fashion as they please. The nations of the East Pacific, if the resolution is true, not only are prohibited from running their region in their own fashion due to Queen Yuno's dictatorship, but are also prohibited from leaving that region. The constant flow of ingoing and outgoing WA nations that usually restricts a Delegate's power is non-existant here as a result, so WA nations that are prohibited from leaving are trapped there, ballooning Yuno's power and influence to almost god-like levels due to the influence points that allow her to operate unopposed. And her sway in the WA as a result of this trapped power has had a very detrimental affect on the democratic power of the WA, reducing many nations' vote to almost worthless. Because of this, only the most powerful of superdelegates often have much of a say in which way a resolution goes. For the sake of allowing nations of The East Pacific to enter and leave freely to operate according to their own ideology freely, and to restore the power in the WA to the common Member, I believe it to be essential that this resolution is voted FOR.
Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, Fanter Kesh, Waikaloa
Kinda wanna start my own fascist region now....
Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, Fanter Kesh, The Cincinnatus Republic
I want to start a new nation, as this one (Conghuay) is rather opposite of a nation I dream of ruling. Is there any way that I could get this nation removed from Lands End and have my new one get in?
Fanter Kesh
I think you could easily start a new nation and join Lands End. But, you also could change your nation over time through the decisions you make on the issues. In any case, make sure you do not have two nations that are both members of the World Assembly.
Saint Gloria
What would be your ideal nation?
Saint Gloria
While I agree with your reasoning, I'm voting against...
Mostly because I know and like Yuno.
I am aware that this is a terrible reason.
From a player standpoint, after all this is a game, I like the GA but dislike the SC. I just think, and I believe I've said this before a while back, GA resolution's are fun to read over and theorize, they also make for great discussion. However, SC resolution's are always the same anti-Fascist (really just anti-playhowyouwant) rhetoric that'll get people all jostled and fired up.
Unike
Prepare yourself for angry commies. In the thousands
Do you think it is true she is somehow preventing people from leaving her region? How would anyone even do that?
I'm a bit iffy on this as well. As far as I know there is no game mechanic which would prevent a nation from leaving, only ones that prevent nations from joining (password protect, etc). If you wanted to leave, you could just leave. I'm holding off voting for now until I get a clearer picture on the specifics of the allegations.
Bonnie Blue Republic
Lol. I literally just noticed that my nation is sort of similar to Sudam Hussein's Iraq and Gaddifi's Libya. Lol. My nation is clearly the best nation out there. Made by the corporations and COUGH COUGH Dictators for the Corporations and "people"
Hey all! Augustinvision 8 has just started!!
What is Augustinvision?
It is basically Eurovision. Each person may submit a song to it, and once submissions for songs close it goes to vote. Once voting is complete the results are announced, and the next Augustinvision is held (in a city in the winning nation).
Rules, outline and sign up sheet are provided in the NS dispatch
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=979614
If I might weigh in on the current proposal at hand, from the perspective of a new player who was dropped in TEP, it is disconcerting and misleading to see the stated bylaws of the TEP allegedly preventing nations from leaving the region without signing up for their (offline) forum and filling out a substantially detailed emigration form, or else face penalty of permanent "loss of rights" in TEP. This may, indeed, be a paper tiger, and readily apparent as such to those who have familiarity and experience with the game system, but at least for me, without any prior experience it was fairly intimidating to receive a telegram from Queen Yuno detailing such things when I left the East Pacific for Lands End. It's not a good way to welcome new nations to the site -- it would be fairly offputting in most scenarios, I think -- and consequently, I have voted FOR the proposal: a symbolic condemnation of Yuno and her loligarchy, as it were.
Buryasia
Thank you. That was the one thing about the resolution I was a bit iffy on.
Liberating the East Pacific does not harm Yuno much at all. All it does is allow the nations in her region some more freedom, and to cool down her power a little bit to make the site more enjoyable for WA nations.
I am opposed to all WA resolutions. The only time I will vote in favor of a resolution is when there is deregulation.
Some Random Lands, Okla-Texas, Vilkona, Pafilon
Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia
how is everyone today?
The Cincinnatus Republic
I whole-heartedly agree. Especially on these resolutions like liberate this region or condemn that one. They just need to let the regions and the nations run themselves. NationStates is a place where people can express their beliefs without consequence. If you dont like what a region is doing, then you can just leave that region. (And Queen Yuno isnt actually preventing nations from leaving the East Pacific ). Honestly its like the WA has become the worlds politics police. They just need to let them be.
Bluximburg, Okla-Texas, The Cincinnatus Republic, Vilkona
I do think Commends are appropriate for individual nations if they have made great contributions internationally
And, Pafilon, if you read this, you may find that while Queen Yuno can not really prevent nations from leaving, the new nations that form in East Pacific (since about 1/5 of all new nations spawn here) who do not know how things work in NationStates yet, it can be quite intimidating to see a prohibition on emigration, and to be TG'd afterwards, effectively preventing many from leaving. Although I do not disagree with East Bhela-Kretzki's reason of voting for symbolic reasons. To liberate a region symbolically is not a good reason.
Also, I'm thinking about writing an essay written to all WA members about these proposals based off political ideology and symbolics. I am firmly against these thought-oppressive, freedom-hating proposals that can't let nations play the GAME how they wish, and I think these proposals are being written by inexperienced, whiny nations who don't understand what the WA is supposed to be. Many seem to have forgotten how the WA used to present thought-provoking, conversation-inducing ideas to debate and vote over just over the span of a few weeks. I believe that someone needs to say something about it. I may decide to write an essay addressed to all WA nations regarding this issue, however, I do not have the stamps required to send this essay to all of them. I may do it through the guise of a WA proposal if it comes down to that. However, that would be a bit hypocritical. But, I think the complaints I would get from it would expose some irony in the situation and help portray exactly what I am talking about. Comments?
Hesse, The Cincinnatus Republic, Pafilon
Would have to agree
There is some serious ignorance in this region about the WA. I simply do not have time to clear up all the misconceptions, so I ask that you all do some research before spouting more inaccuracies.
Bluximburg
Sadly knowing how the WA functions and with the Amount of Socialist and Centrist countries in the game let alone in WA, not to mention the lack of actual proposals in favor of deregulation and limited government, no wonder their is a slight distrust in a community mainly composed of a free market supporters. Don't even get me started on the Security Council, let alone the slight sense of misinformation and bias in the general assembly. However, to be fair, representation of countries in the world assembly seems to be up to pair with ideologies of many of the nations in the WA!
Post by Vilkona suppressed by Clarkentrent.
In fact, the majority of bills in the General Assembly are for pushing more regulations on nations and the Security Council is used for resolving otherwise unknown regional disputes at the hands of thousands of uniformed nations simply relying on a few lines of text to give them context.
Post by Vilkona suppressed by Clarkentrent.
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