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Region: Lands End
Bro, he sent it to me weeks before your term. Hes good already. I can get you a list of the ones I approved but couldnt put on the dispatch.
Archen Federation, Bluximburg
Torranta, I sent it to him anyways just to be helpful :)
Who would be the secretary general or Supreme Allied Commander tho? I am fully willing to commit to the defense forces/military. I actually am quite happy with this idea
hey, just curious, how do i become a shareholder
Apply for it here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=874600#shareholders
Anyone else using the Discord chat?
ok, how do i send the application to torranta
Via Telegram.
Anyone interested in chatting for a little bit head to discord, I'm chillin there for now
Heres the thing: LE has a semi-active founder. Should we get raided, he can deal with that that. As such, we really dont need a military for defense.
Offensive action is a little more interesting; previously, the AA ran the Joint Task Force. Now, I believe, the former leader of the JTF is running an organization called the Order of the Phoenix. While it is not Lands Ends military, there is a provision allowing members of the OotP to also be shareholders in LE.
Archen Federation, The United Banking Associaton, Buryasia
Thats interesting and good to know. Thanks for the info.
I'm logging off for the night gents and ladies. Have a good night
I am maintaining an updated list of shareholders. If you want to become a shareholder, message me. I'm proud to announce that since taking office, there has been 6 additional shareholders. Lets keep recruiting and growing!
Archen Federation, Unike, Buryasia, Fanter Kesh
Good numbers-but we can do better.
Archen Federation
Send it to Bluximburg instead.
Our record is 57 shareholders, if you want to try and beat it.
Archen Federation
Hey back briefly, I'd really love to start doing voice chats with people. I think that would be really cool for the region
Yes, but I do believe that we should have an independent military, that will be active. What do you think?
Idk, but our military has always been one and the same with the Joint Task Force meant for the entire Augustin Alliance. But now that the AA is on leave, it might be worth a try.
The United Banking Associaton
Or, we could have our own independent military and also have the JTF. By having our own military, we can use it freely.
Fanter Kesh
Maybe we could just have it be an informal military, meant to organize nations into one? Idk how a military orginization even works in NS. *shrug*
The United Banking Associaton, Fanter Kesh
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The United Banking Associaton
Raiding works by sending wa nations into other regions and endorsing eachother to put the invaders in power. Defending regions consists of moving to the invaded region, endorsing the existing delegate, all their nations, and each other to keep the invaders from taking power. There are many preventative measures to prevent t raiding and to reverse raiding, and even to raid yourself. Im not much of an expert, and Im sure I only scratched the surface, but thats the gist of a military in NS
The United Banking Associaton, Fanter Kesh
It's pretty much world domination.
Will we hold a referendum towards establishing one?
The JTF is gone. Totally disbanded.
That was the last official act of August as the Chairman of the AA before he went on hiatus.
It was spiritually succeeded by the Order of the Phoenix. Upon a bit of quick inspection, I'm not actually sure if the Order exists anymore.
I'll see what I can find out, though.
EDIT:
After talking to the commander of the Order, he says that it's pretty much dead.
Conch Kingdom, one of our allies and the region of the AA that the JTF drew from most heavily, is currently trying to organize the Conch Kingdom
Marine Corps; if you're interesting in R/D with an experienced, highly competent outfit I'm sure they would be more than happy to have you.
If anyone's interested in doing so, I'll whip up a provision allowing Shareholder status to be retained without WA membership for those serving with the CKMC.
Alternatively, if there's that much interest, we can always try and create a force of our own.
That takes a decent number of people, though; and updates are at noon/midnight eastern time, which limits participation somewhat.
The United Banking Associaton, Buryasia
I put up a poll just to see if interest is there. Good way to see if the majority actually want one.
The United Banking Associaton, Fanter Kesh
In the case that Lands End chooses to have a military, who will manage it? Will it be ran by the executives? Or will we have a brand new military branch?
Personally, I'd opt towards the second option. If the executive branch manages it, Lands End would become a warmongering region. If we build a military branch together, ran by nations who dedicate towards the military and ONLY our military, our region will be much more effective and productive.
Bonnie Blue Republic as our CLO, what do you think?
I don't think a military would be beneficial to the region. We need our WA nations here to defend OUR region if needed. It would distract from what really makes our region special. If the JTF ever rebanded, I would support that.
How would an executive running the military turn the region into warmongering? It seems like a completely new branch made up of nations only dedicated to the military would be more likely to cause warmongering. Also, we don't get enough volunteer officials as it is. Adding new military officials would only add to the problem. This being said, our military would likely be so small that it would basically have no purpose or effectiveness as a result. You say that "our region will be more effective and productive," but what you really mean is that our MILITARY would be more effective and productive. To say our region as a whole would be more productive would be a lie, due the position that I still stand by, which is that it would distract from more important things.
Also, through a quick investigation on the poll, it appears that BBR voted against a military.
I won't speak for him, but that's what he answered on the poll. I'll leave the explaining to him.
In addition to all this, there has been no WA resolutions to vote on for over a week. And, all the proposals currently in question are absolutely preposterous. One is simply trying to ban ignorant behavior, and the other is the WA stealing money from individual nations to donate to the poor.
Unike
If the executive branch manages our military, most of their time and thoughts will be directed towards the military. By creating a military branch, we will have people dedicated towards that.
Regarding the problem with the amount of officials, our military should start small. Perhaps 2-4 military officers. It's basically following Lockes or Rousseau's principles of goverment, where one branch can't have absolute control. Nonetheless, I'd like to hear Bonnie Blues opinion, on what he thinks about this, if we do get a military.
We would be hard pressed to get 2-4 members total. Also, I know our officials, and I know our region. I can assure you that if the executive branch was given power over the military, it wouldnt take precedent over their normal duties. Their normal duties will always take precedent. Also, you actually agreed with me on one thing: a military would distract our officers from what is really important. A military that small would have no capabilities anyway.
Hey all! I would highly encourage every one of you start establishing a relationship with each of our embassies. Of course, as members of Lands End you can (and should) stay here but you should definitely check out where we have embassies! Youll never know what bridges you may build!
Archen Federation
I concur with Torranta. I think we need to focus on what matters in this region. We need to increase our influence, and our primary objective would be to grow the region. I need to make sure we wisely invest our efforts into productive causes. I would also state that I am not opposed to the idea, and I think we could most definitely revisit it once the board has settled in and has completed tasks that are pressing! I am doing my best to ensure everything is running smoothly in the region.
In addition, the updated shareholder list is listed in my factbook, I am working on getting that pinned to the region's board. Please bear with me.
To me, our region is and always will be a company. And as a company, we should always consider what is best for the company. Right now what is best for the company is to further develop our governmental ideals, to increase our population and influence, to make trade connections with other businesses (regions/embassies) and to find new ways to make our employees (nations) comfortable in their jobs and happy to work here. And, to create an ideal environment to communicate and interact with each other. A company such as ours would most certainly not have a military. At least not yet.
Buryasia, Bluximburg
Well, some companies have private militaries, but yes, you are right!
I've pinned it.
Bluximburg
Hello
Guten Morgan, Herr Koriter.
Morning everyone
Torranta, as far as volunteer official positions go, I would be more likely to volunteer if I knew more about what the positions required. I am fully committed to staying in LE for the duration of my nations lifetime. I would like to see it prosper and thrive, and I would like to contribute
Chillen on Discord if anyone wants to chat
Koriter
The positions currently open as far as I can tell are Vice President for Public Relations, which handles the newspaper, and the Vice President for Accounting, which monitors the statistics for the region. If you want to know more about either one, contact me.
Archen Federation, Fanter Kesh
*Clears throat and steps up to the microphone*
I'm in favor of a regional military, even an informal one that doesn't raid/defend other regions. My thoughts are, and why I made the original question, was to promote regional unity by establishing a collective organization within, which would be able to assist younger nations in growth and development. Further, if my ideal regional military became a true thing; I would like to see this happen to grant aid to new nations, since we do have many questions. Therefore, while I also realize that we as a region have no major need for such a military, I would like to see it happen, perhaps as partially peace keepers, and partially to help other smaller nations.
In return for assisting these smaller nations, I would suggest having them join the WA and endorse the member-nations of the military, to increase our defensive power, and to supply something in return for the assistance we offer.
Thank you for your time
Butcherhooks, Bluximburg
On the subject of volunteer official positions, school has let out for me so I will have a lot more time to commit to NationStates and LE. I want to contribute as much as I can, and I intend on staying in LE. Would there be any position I could volunteer for? Or something I could do apart from being a shareholder to help LE?
Post by Russian Karelia suppressed by Torranta.
TANSTAAFL
Atkemri
Archen did they just roll up a computer to a mic to speak?
Buryasia
No, we have mastered the art of uploading our consciousness to a semi-organic body. We find you...humans...take better to relations if we look similar.
Buryasia, Koriter
Thank you
Alright I just made my proposal to the General Assembly so if you want to check it out it is called Rules of engagement. Thank you again for endorsing me.
Post by The Libertarian American Republic suppressed by Torranta.
sorry I could not do industrial freedom it was already covered by the WA.
Please do not double-post. Use the edit feature
I'm not in favor we have a semi active founder so no need for defending and I don't think we should raid because it makes us a target for raiders like the Red Fleet.
Bonnie Blue Republic
Thanks
*Clears throat and steps up to the microphone*
I'm in favor of a regional military, even an informal one that doesn't raid/defend other regions. My thoughts are, and why I made the original question, was to promote regional unity by establishing a collective organization within, which would be able to assist younger nations in growth and development. Further, if my ideal regional military became a true thing; I would like to see this happen to grant aid to new nations, since we do have many questions. Therefore, while I also realize that we as a region have no major need for such a military, I would like to see it happen, perhaps as partially peace keepers, and partially to help other smaller nations.
In return for assisting these smaller nations, I would suggest having them join the WA and endorse the member-nations of the military, to increase our defensive power, and to supply something in return for the assistance we offer.
Thank you for your time
(I only wrote half of this because I was in class)
Effectively a national military would be a peace keeping force, here to settle disputes among regional members, and to, if necessary, defend from outside attack. I do not condone, nor see a reason why we would need to go offensive. I do however see a reason that this would help increase national unity. I feel strongly that if we impose guidelines to enlisting in such a force, then the oldest, wisest and nations then we have a responsible, mature force for good. This force will be used to help assist smaller nations grow and develop, and in time, be recruited into our military force. Since this organization would be volunteer based, it would be a militia, meant for supporting people within our nation, and allowing us, if absolutely necessary, to defend ourselves.
*pauses to cool off processor*
Further, this option not only allows us to defend, but should an issue arise within our great region. This military would become a force of peace, a quiet judge to assist in these disputes, wherever they may rise.
Thank you for your time,
Hivemind 2049
Fanter Kesh
I volunteer
Archen Federation
We now have one volunteer already, including me that's 2. As far as running it, why don't we put it under control of the Executive branch, with other branches having the power to veto it's use. It could also be put under the judiciary branches control, to act as a peace keeping force. As far as officers go, I would be willing to help if I am able to, seeing as I put forward the idea (I think), I feel it would be unjust to be unwilling to help. I would love to help shape this idea
Fanter Kesh
I volunteer
*Looks around with mild concern* Um...guys...I may have started a militia without entirely meaning to....
I'm gonna track volunteers personally!
Thanks guys!!
Fanter Kesh, Koriter
Should I keep my flag?
I volunteer
Archen Federation
That's what, 4 volunteers already? As we've talked about a little on Discord, the largest problem with a military is who is going to lead it. Who here is experienced enough to lead a GP military, and if it isn't a GP military, then that raises a whole new level of problems.
I would love to see LE get more involved in GP, having already extended that invitation to you before under the banner of TOP, but participation was nonexistent.
Atkemri, Clarkentrent
I can handle naval forces I have studied naval war and have an incredible amount of discipline sir.
Unfortunately, I'm not talking about actual combat here, or RP militaries. Both of those are nice and have their place, but in NS, militaries have a very specific function. They invade or defend other regions, and I'm fairly certain nobody here has any prior experience in that
Clarkentrent, Bluximburg
Then if you want me to I can be an advisor for World assmebly law as well as a good source of common Sense sir
I'm not even suggesting invading and attacking other regions. I'm talking something like the UN designed to have the larger, older, experienced nations assist the smaller, inexperienced ones when they need help.
How about this.
Torranta Bluximburg Clarkentrent Okla-Texas
What if we make it a militia-styled organization, centered around advising and helping smaller nations, a sort of Nato/UN type deal, entirely voluntary and under the command of the Executive force if need be. As for Commanders of said group, Geico Gecko, I would suggest appointing two members at least. I volunteer for one, being that I am avidly campaigning for this to happen, of course if need be we can be elected.
Said group would be an organization endorsed by the government, under their guidance, but largely independent, as to keep the already handfuls of issues the delegates face to a minimum. I believe this would help on a daily basis with questions and guidance
August, Nordhpadhan
I will be willing to sacrifice safety of my nation for freedom I will help in any way I can just give me the word.
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Im in favor of your policy.
Listen I will admit to this: I have no experience in raiding and attacking other regions. I've never found a need to do so. However, I would have loved to have an organization inside the first region I joined that was dedicated to helping younger regions. This is really important to me, especially with the sheer number of "Hey I'm new to the game" posts that I've been seeing lately. I would love to take charge of this, and set it up, with an endorsement from the leaders of Lands End, in order to better ourselves, and better the ways we can help younger nations. I understand why this became such a huge thing but I want to specific; It was never meant as an offensive military when I first suggested it. My goal is to help nations grow and develop over time, I want to see people grow and advance and come to love this community. I think Lands End is easily one of my favorite regions I've ever been. The people here have been amazingly kind and considerate, and the brief problem that I had, two different members came to my defense, followed by almost the entire online community. That's straight up touching honestly, and I want to pay that courtesy back by forming a group that would assist with such matters.
Fanter Kesh, Mythel, Horcrox
Tyranson votes to support Archen Federations ideals.
Butcherhooks, Horcrox
Amen!
Archen Federation, Butcherhooks, Horcrox
It sounds to me, Archen Federation, that what you are proposing isn't so much a military as it is almost a humanitarian organization.
I see nothing wrong with something like that.
It is my personal opinion that creating a military force doesn't really fit with the corporate theme of LE.
What you're describing, though, go for it.
Don't call it a milita, or an army, or anything like that, but go for it.
Archen Federation, Butcherhooks, Bluximburg, Koriter, Horcrox
In order to run a business it requires a market and the ability to trade with others is important
Archen Federation, Koriter
I'll work on a name for it.
I would like to say that this will be a humanitarian organization of cooperation amongst volunteers, NOT a standing military.
The Libertarian American Republic
But how does that require a military?
I'm also pretty sure it was decided at some point that LE was in the Banking business; there's always a market for that.
Archen Federation, Horcrox
Please like this post if you support the formation of a humanitarian organization to assist nations that have been recently founded or just have questions in general.
Thanks!
Butcherhooks, Liberum Imperium, The Shepherd State, Koriter, Modern Israel, Mythel, Horcrox
I feel that the rmb serves the purpose of a humanitarian organization in itself. Nations can come here and ask any question, and have a slew of people ready to answer them. And, other nations not asking or answering questions can see and learn from the others without having to ask the same question. Regional news and policies are posted here, as well as important and new ideas. A humanitarian organization seems pointless to me, as the system that Archen Federation suggests includes myself and the other officers anyway, who are always on this rmb to answer questions and clear up things and give advice. If nations need help, this rmb is here to help them. TGs also work.
In addition to this, this region is a corporation of capitalists. Greedy, greedy, capitalists. Neither a military nor a humanitarian organization would fit within the confines of the structure that this region has been built on.
Archen Federation, Bonnie Blue Republic
I tagged you to ask a question, since then the ideal of it has shifted quite drastically
Butcherhooks, Horcrox
By what do you mean?
If a region is dominated by a hostile region we need a milita to free that region
Why do we have to care?
In-Game, we're safe ourselves. If anyone wants to get involved in the Defender game, they're welcome to the CKMC.
RP wise, bankers don't care. Everyone needs a bank, after all.
Defending other regions puts us on the map for being raided ourselves.
We are capitalist scumbags and always will be.
Archen Federation, Clarkentrent
Communism is more greedy than capitalism because communism states I,m living and breathing give me crap but in capitalism you either trade for it or work for it, capitalism in essence is sex communism is rape
Modern Israel, Horcrox
I agree entirely, for that has to be assumed a generally neutral "director" of a militia should be thought about as well. I suggest someone without high amounts of power and control.
Well spoke
Buryasia, Butcherhooks
And I suggest this milita should vote democratically on its leadership
Horcrox
I agree but i do not think it should operate democratically
A democratic military does not work. A military leader is expected to give orders and for them to be followed without question. If that leader is democratically elected, he has no power to do so and the ones who voted him in could just as easily vote someone else in. And, anyone not elected but ran for a position is more likely not to follow orders. There are so many ways that a democratic military is just asking for insubordination.
Also, I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. We still haven't even decided if we are even starting a military yet.
Archen Federation, Butcherhooks, Horcrox
Well let's wait and see
Horcrox
Once in effect the militia should be under complete control of the director..... supervised by our chiefs
The Libertarian American Republic
Post by Horcrox suppressed by Clarkentrent.
I agree but the director so to speak should be voted in democratically
The Libertarian American Republic
Then let's organize it like the us army a general on top division heads to regiment heads to company Commanders to platoon leaders to squad leaders
Horcrox
In the end, a military would have to in some way be connected to the leadership we already have. We can not have a region where the military acts independently of the Board of Directors. The Board of Directors are the leaders of this region, and they must in some way keep any militia that may arise in check. Also, as previously discussed. A humanitarian organization would better fit the ideals of the region. So, for the most part, I agree with you there.
This wouldnt work very well in an NS military. the most efficient NS militaries simply have one nation give an order for where the nations should move and when to endorse, and that is the most time efficient dispatch of orders. Also, we would be hard pressed to get enough recruits to fill these positions. Nearly impossible, in fact. Any positions given out would most likely be honorary and not give them any actual power over other nations in said organization.Butcherhooks, Horcrox
When i said chiefs i meant our board of directors
The Libertarian American Republic
Yeah, I forgot to mention that I agreed with you in the last post. I edited it.
Horcrox
I would be interested in helping suggest/edit guidelines once this falls in place.
If it falls into place. I, personally, and still opposed to having a regional military, or even a humanitarian organization.
Horcrox
how about a humanitarian standing militia?
The Libertarian American Republic
The reason why we should care is because we as bankers need investors and what better way than to liberate smaller regions so that we may gain their investment and in the eyes of the militia we would have more allies to come and help us when it is needed.
Horcrox
What would you say investment would be in an NS environment? How do you define investment in a place where there is no gameplay function to do so?
an ally that was obvious
So... embassies? We can get embassies without a military/
We can get embassies with an upgraded militia
but guess whats easier gaining there trust, via liberation
Horcrox
liberation with a terms of liberation agreement
I just realized that there is a poll up regarding the Militia/humanitarian/military thing. Just notifying every one of its existence. #GetOutTheVote
Archen Federation, Unike, Butcherhooks, Horcrox
Don't double post. If you have something to add you can edit your post.
it wasnt a double post
Freedomonia
A double post is when you post two posts directly after each other without a post from someone else in-between. That is what you did, so it was a double post.
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