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Confic wrote:a capitalist economy is the best economy.

can there be an economy without capitalism? (capitalism: the recognition that people have rights to what they create, develop or purchase).

Reardenland wrote:can there be an economy without capitalism? (capitalism: the recognition that people have rights to what they create, develop or purchase).

Socialism is just capitalism worded differently.... By your logic.

Any government intervention of the market of any kind creates an un-free market and therefore an unfree people. An-cap gang, turn up.

Reardenland, Confic

Peacockastan wrote:Any government intervention of the market of any kind creates an un-free market and therefore an unfree people. An-cap gang, turn up.

well said.

Deims Kir wrote:Socialism is just capitalism worded differently.... By your logic.

when i say "the people" i do not mean as some amorphous singular entity with emergent magical properties that exceed that of the constituent parts.

instead, when i say "the people", i mean the individuals... all individuals.

to contrast (and thus further define capitalism), i define socialism as a system where the state can deny a person their right to what that person creates, develops or purchases.

Peacockastan wrote:Any government intervention of the market of any kind creates an un-free market and therefore an unfree people. An-cap gang, turn up.

While this is often true, and I personally think the government shouldn't own very many business, sometimes it can be beneficial for the government to intervene or to own certain companies/industries. For example, while I think that private schools should be allowed to exist, public schools make more sense because two school companies can't really compete over students. Why? Well you can mass-produce a cell phone or a shovel, but companies can't mass produce people; a company can control when and how a cell phones or shovels are made, because they make them. But a company can't control when and how people are made. Now, on regulations on the free market, I think there should be little, but I think that sometimes it may be beneficial for the government to own certain businesses, but they shouldn't own very many. Primarily, I think that schools and prisons should be public industries, not private.

Reardenland wrote:when i say "the people" i do not mean as some amorphous singular entity with emergent magical properties that exceed that of the constituent parts.

instead, when i say "the people", i mean the individuals... all individuals.

to contrast (and thus further define capitalism), i define socialism as a system where the state can deny a person their right to what that person creates, develops or purchases.

While this is an okay definition, personally I think a better definition would be: a system where the state/government owns all or most of the industries and business in the nation.

While in a socialist system, the government might often "deny a person their right to what that person creates, develops or purchases," in some socialist systems a consumer/individual could purchase things from the government, and actually own it. An individual in a socialist system could also create or develop something, but they wouldn't be able to sell it (While I suppose in that case the government would be taking away some of the individual's right, the state wouldn't be taking away all of it).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending socialism, I'm just providing what I think is a better definition.

P.S. Sorry if a sound condescending, I don't mean too

Buryasia

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Scalpulavakiia wrote:...while I think that private schools should be allowed to exist, public schools make more sense because two school companies can't really compete over students.

universities are not only able to compete but they actively do for students within each state but also nationally and internationally. when schools compete (be they universities or pre-k) all schools generally improve. for reasons other than those you have mentioned, i could be swayed to support some kind of public education system; however, i am generally against the state provisions for such.

Scalpulavakiia wrote:...you can mass-produce a cell phone or a shovel, but companies can't mass produce people; a company can control when and how a cell phones or shovels are made, because they make them. But a company can't control when and how people are made. Now, on regulations on the free market, I think there should be little, but I think that sometimes it may be beneficial for the government to own certain businesses, but they shouldn't own very many. Primarily, I think that schools and prisons should be public industries, not private.

under that logic it seems that some hospitals and medicine should also be state-owned, also some salons and some farms and any other service or industry that deals with human care, feeding, or improvement. just because something cannot be mass produced doesn't seem to necessarily lead to government control/involvement. i would argue that because people cannot be mass produced that they should be particularly protected from the abuses of government bureaucracy. technically speaking this is all moot because people can be mass produced in much the same way that pork or beef is mass produced. *shudder*

the production of every product has unique problems and issues, humans are completely normal in their uniqueness. it follows from your justification (to absurdity) that any normally unique production must be handled in part by the state ergo every industry can be handled by the state in part.

Peacockastan

Reardenland wrote:universities are not only able to compete but they actively do for students within each state but also nationally and internationally. when schools compete (be they universities or pre-k) all schools generally improve. for reasons other than those you have mentioned, i could be swayed to support some kind of public education system; however, i am generally against the state provisions for such.

under that logic it seems that some hospitals and medicine should also be state-owned, also some salons and some farms and any other service or industry that deals with human care, feeding, or improvement. just because something cannot be mass produced doesn't seem to necessarily lead to government control/involvement. i would argue that because people cannot be mass produced that they should be particularly protected from the abuses of government bureaucracy. technically speaking this is all moot because people can be mass produced in much the same way that pork or beef is mass produced. *shudder*

the production of every product has unique problems and issues, humans are completely normal in their uniqueness. it follows from your justification (to absurdity) that any normally unique production must be handled in part by the state ergo every industry can be handled by the state in part.

I meant K-12th, not collage. I do agree that collage should be private. I justify my reasoning for this because as you said, collages can compete for students across the nation and/or world. For the sake of the argument, let's say there is a family that want's to send their going-to-be Kinder gardener, Billy, to a school, and all K-12 schools are private. Unless the schools in Billy's town absolutely suck, the family probably won't send Billy to a school out of town. K-12 schools don't work being private because really only the schools in the same town can compete each other.

And on your second point, yeah, that was a bad argument. My point sorta was, that it's hard for schools to compete as businesses do.

Scalpulavakiia wrote:While in a socialist system, the government might often "deny a person their right to what that person creates, develops or purchases," in some socialist systems a consumer/individual could purchase things from the government, and actually own it. An individual in a socialist system could also create or develop something, but they wouldn't be able to sell it (While I suppose in that case the government would be taking away some of the individual's right, the state wouldn't be taking away all of it).

a person, under socialism, can own something, but "the state can deny a person their right". under capitalism that right of the individual to ownership is recognized.

Vistryara

Reardenland wrote:a person, under socialism, can own something, but "the state can deny a person their right". under capitalism that right of the individual to ownership is recognized.

True, perhaps combinding the two defintions makes the most sense.

Scalpulavakiia wrote:I meant K-12th, not collage. I do agree that collage should be private. I justify my reasoning for this because as you said, collages can compete for students across the nation and/or world. For the sake of the argument, let's say there is a family that want's to send their going-to-be Kinder gardener, Billy, to a school, and all K-12 schools are private. Unless the schools in Billy's town absolutely suck, the family probably won't send Billy to a school out of town. K-12 schools don't work being private because really only the schools in the same town can compete each other.

The competition that these schools will have in their local communities is what will make these schools not suck. Why do you think that so many public schools are so low quality? Because they have to competition and therefore no reason to improve. All public schools are based on Prussian militarism and industrial training and have no reason to differ from this copy and paste system that has been used for years. A school system made entirely of private schools would create tons of competition no matter the community, and since these schools are businesses, they have to think like businesses to make money. If the school sucks then other schools that are better will get more business and more money and the ones that do suck will go bankrupt. The competition will make businesses strive no matter where they are located.

Reardenland

what do you all think of universities offering tuition-free education for certain programs in exchange for a portion of the students post-graduation salary for 'n' years?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertfarrington/2019/04/12/income-sharing-agreements-to-pay-for-college/#52f2211252e0

Peacockastan wrote:The competition that these schools will have in their local communities is what will make these schools not suck. Why do you think that so many public schools are so low quality? Because they have to competition and therefore no reason to improve. All public schools are based on Prussian militarism and industrial training and have no reason to differ from this copy and paste system that has been used for years. A school system made entirely of private schools would create tons of competition no matter the community, and since these schools are businesses, they have to think like businesses to make money. If the school sucks then other schools that are better will get more business and more money and the ones that do suck will go bankrupt. The competition will make businesses strive no matter where they are located.

This is an issue close to my heart so I'm going to share my opinion. First, I do believe in capitalism as the best form of economy, but I do believe the government needs to intervene in many situations. Thus I support a mixed economy but with mostly capitalism and a small amount of socialism thrown into the mix to alleviate social ills. In other words, I support capitalism, but there are some instances where socialism is the lesser of two evils. For example, firefighting, when conducted by private entitites, has resulted in many abuses, particularly against the poor, so I support government ownership of the firefighting industry. In a truly strong and just society, literally all individuals would be capable of insuring their homes and businesses, and in such a society, I would support privatizing firefighting.

So, primary and secondary education, public vs. private, my opinion. Firstly, in a "truly strong and just society," like the one described above, I'd support the complete privatization of education. But my nation and my community aren't there yet.

One major problem is poverty. Where there are whole communities in poverty, there are bad schools. But there are degrees of bad, and removing public education would make them worse. Usually in high poverty areas with public and private options, the parents who are at all interested in their children's education send them to the private schools. The public schools get worse, but even the public schools with the high poverty students whose parents are not interested enough to find a better option are better than the result would be if public education were removed. Public education has funding, and standards, (lots of standards,) and oversight. Sometimes the standards and oversight are a joke, and not a funny one, but if you get rid of this public option, private schools are going to spend on these students only what their high poverty, disinterested parents can afford. And while it is true that the parents don't deserve a free solution to their children's childcare and education needs, the community at large does need someone to get paid to do something with these students. The alternative would look like Rio de Janeiro, where the government rounds up and murdered the packs of "free range children" who barely learned how to speak and rove the slums stealing and raiding the garbage.

I would like for communities to have a greater say on what the standards are that their schools should be held to, but another huge problem is segregation/discrimination. Without top-down government intervention there are still plenty of places where certain segments of certain communities would be getting trained to be janitors solely based on the notions of the wealthier and more powerful segments of the community.

There is plenty that needs to change in public education but dismantling it would push many of the poorest and least powerful neighborhoods into permanent blight leading to crime, hopelessness, and ultimately revolt.

That's my opinion.

Peacockastan, Los Cayos

Buryasia wrote:-snip-

And a very good opinion at that. Very well said, BA, very well said. This is exactly the reason why I also cannot, in the will of my heart, get behind the full and total removal of the public education system. While this system is very flawed and I will always believe that private schools would offer students far better education and services, I just can't get behind getting rid of all public schools. There will always be people who are too deep in poverty to pay for a good school for their children, and they deserve an education. I also never believed in privatizing emergency services, so you have my full support on that end of your statement.

Completely off-topic: It would seem that we don't have too many Star Trek fans in LE.

Buryasia, Los Cayos

Peacockastan wrote:And a very good opinion at that. Very well said, BA, very well said. This is exactly the reason why I also cannot, in the will of my heart, get behind the full and total removal of the public education system. While this system is very flawed and I will always believe that private schools would offer students far better education and services, I just can't get behind getting rid of all public schools. There will always be people who are too deep in poverty to pay for a good school for their children, and they deserve an education. I also never believed in privatizing emergency services, so you have my full support on that end of your statement.

Completely off-topic: It would seem that we don't have too many Star Trek fans in LE.

Isn’t the Federation canon socialist

Buryasia

Kapital In Action wrote:Isn’t the Federation canon socialist

Hm, I guess it's related after all.

Peacockastan wrote:Completely off-topic: It would seem that we don't have too many Star Trek fans in LE.

i thought i had found a new home for my nation until i saw all of those starwars votes. 😜

Peacockastan, Los Cayos

It was hard for me to choose a side. Team Sith or Team Borg. Both are great examples of how to govern effectively.

Reardenland, Peacockastan, South-Central Rhodesia, Los Cayos

Y’all are nerds, HP is the best.

#SlytherinSquad

Reardenland

Buryasia wrote:It was hard for me to choose a side. Team Sith or Team Borg. Both are great examples of how to govern effectively.

there is so many to choose from in star trek:

[list]

the dominion - xenophobic expansionists

cardassians - a fascist military state (not to be confused with the kardashians whos source of political power is baffling)

klingon - death worshiping conquerers (viking like)

ferengi - plutocratic corporatist state (my favorite)

federation - evil communists who abolished prices and ownership (which i personally blame on the blue-blooded vulcans)

borg - the assimilating half-machine hive mind

and many more

[/list]

there should be no competition. starwars is nothing in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5yB9Vmd6I

Buryasia, New Modernity

Reardenland wrote:there is so many to choose from in star trek:

[list]

the dominion - xenophobic expansionists

cardassians - a fascist military state (not to be confused with the kardashians whos source of political power is baffling)

klingon - death worshiping conquerers (viking like)

ferengi - plutocratic corporatist state (my favorite)

federation - evil communists who abolished prices and ownership (which i personally blame on the blue-blooded vulcans)

borg - the assimilating half-machine hive mind

and many more

[/list]

there should be no competition. starwars is nothing in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5yB9Vmd6I

So...should I rant on how HP is better or should I peace out?!

Buryasia, Reardenland

The Federation Of Spokane wrote:So...should I rant on how HP is better or should I peace out?!

rant! rant! rant!

The Federation Of Spokane wrote:So...should I rant on how HP is better or should I peace out?!

Three, two, one, go!!!!

*sits back with popcorn*

Reardenland wrote:there is so many to choose from in star trek:

[list]

the dominion - xenophobic expansionists

cardassians - a fascist military state (not to be confused with the kardashians whos source of political power is baffling)

klingon - death worshiping conquerers (viking like)

ferengi - plutocratic corporatist state (my favorite)

federation - evil communists who abolished prices and ownership (which i personally blame on the blue-blooded vulcans)

borg - the assimilating half-machine hive mind

and many more

[/list]

there should be no competition. starwars is nothing in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5yB9Vmd6I

Star Wars is still way better, at least in Legends/before Disney. The Universe is way more flushed out and engaging. And just off the top of my head, I can list off a bunch of Star Wars factions:

CIS-Separatist from the Republic that use a robot army

The Republic-A mostly democratic state that in its early years fought Siths and Mandalorians, then experienced a long period of peace.

The Empire-Space Nazis

The Rebellion-A rebellion in the Empire that seeks to restore the Republic

Jedi-Light-sided monks

Sith-Dark-sided monks

Mandalorians-Warriors and conquers, but later bounty hunters

The Killik-An exiled Hive Mind that has stayed silent for millennium

And there's hundreds more.

Legoa, Eanor, New Modernity

South-Central Rhodesia wrote:Three, two, one, go!!!!

*sits back with popcorn*

Reardenland wrote:rant! rant! rant!

Alright, here we go!

Harry Potter is better because it has characters that everyone can connect with, from Dean Thomas and Hermione being black to Dumbledore being gay and having a thing for Grindelwald who breaks his heart. You’ve got the bad guy either killed or redeemed(Voldemort, Dudley, Draco, Snape redeems himself by getting killed) and some of the character’s emotions are relatable, like Harry’s funk during OTP and start of HBP due to Cedric and Sirius dying. In Star Wars(don’t murder me plz) The first 3 movies were good, but then they started going downhill in quality with things such as people don’t understand the central conflict between the Rebellion/Resistance and the Empire/First Order mainly because Star Wars tends to tell the narrative from the perspective of the good guys. Meanwhile, in Harry Potter they tend to have peaks into both sides such as Death Eaters being bloodists(Discriminates on blood status) and Harry having a vendetta against Voldemort for murdering his parents and countless other people. Harry has his own flaws like being impulsive as shown in the end of the OTP when he rushes into a trap because he thought Sirius was being tortured when it was a fake which results in Sirius’s death. Which makes Harry’s guilt relatable. There’s also enough drama for me so... :P

South-Central Rhodesia

Me and the Boys debating Si-Fi/Fantasy Universes and Capitalism.

Peacockastan, Los Cayos, Eanor

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The Empire did nothing wrong tho

Reardenland

Scalpulavakiia wrote:Star Wars is still way better, at least in Legends/before Disney. The Universe is way more flushed out and engaging. And just off the top of my head, I can list off a bunch of Star Wars factions:

CIS-Separatist from the Republic that use a robot army

The Republic-A mostly democratic state that in its early years fought Siths and Mandalorians, then experienced a long period of peace.

The Empire-Space Nazis

The Rebellion-A rebellion in the Empire that seeks to restore the Republic

Jedi-Light-sided monks

Sith-Dark-sided monks

Mandalorians-Warriors and conquers, but later bounty hunters

The Killik-An exiled Hive Mind that has stayed silent for millennium

And there's hundreds more.

i love the c.i.s, they had a right to split off from the heavily corrupt republic.

Legoa

Eanor wrote:The Empire did nothing wrong tho

Yes they did

Legoa

Eanor wrote:The Empire did nothing wrong tho

I'm pretty sure they committed at least a couple acts of genocide.

Legoa, Los Cayos, Eanor

Confic wrote:i love the c.i.s, they had a right to split off from the heavily corrupt republic.

Yeah, at least in Legends the Separatists that weren't Sidous's puppets were in the moral right. The C.I.S. is probably one of my favorite factions.

Legoa, Peacockastan

Howdy, folks.

Your friendly neighborhood World Assembly Delegate here, advising all of you to vote Against the current resolution at vote, the World Assembly Justice Accord.

The writer of this proposal seems to believe that the World Assembly needs greater power to interfere in the running of us, the member nations.

Bureaucrats don't solve problems. They create them.

And so, to help keep the WA out of your personal business, I advise voting Against this resolution.

Thank you.

Legoa, Peacockastan, Eanor

Hello, nations! I am the Second Tongan Empire, a new capitalist and hardworking country, with conservative and religious inhabitants. I believe that i will really like to stay in this region.

See you later!

Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, Legoa, Yawehs Chosen Peoples, Peacockastan, South-Central Rhodesia, Vistryara, Los Cayos, Eanor

Second Tongan Empire wrote:Hello, nations! I am the Second Tongan Empire, a new capitalist and hardworking country, with conservative and religious inhabitants. I believe that i will really like to stay in this region.

See you later!

Welcome to the Lands End company!! Glad to have you here. :)

Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia, Second Tongan Empire

Second Tongan Empire wrote:Hello, nations! I am the Second Tongan Empire, a new capitalist and hardworking country, with conservative and religious inhabitants. I believe that i will really like to stay in this region.

See you later!

Welcome in Lands End !

Reardenland, Legoa, Second Tongan Empire

Bonjour, les nations de Lands End!

I represent the Federal Republic of Fushye, a small, hardworking, independent nation founded upon the principles of liberty, freedom, and a small, limited government. As someone with no prior experience in NationStates, I'll almost certainly need some assistance in getting on my feet, but I look forward to the future we'll share together nonetheless.

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” - Milton Friedman

Buryasia, Yawehs Chosen Peoples, Peacockastan, Eanor, Second Tongan Empire, New Modernity

Fushye wrote:Bonjour, les nations de Lands End!

I represent the Federal Republic of Fushye, a small, hardworking, independent nation founded upon the principles of liberty, freedom, and a small, limited government. As someone with no prior experience in NationStates, I'll almost certainly need some assistance in getting on my feet, but I look forward to the future we'll share together nonetheless.

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” - Milton Friedman

Welcome to Lands End!!!! I hope you find your stay here to be enjoyable. Don't hesitate to ask anyone any question either here in the RMB (regional message board) or via telegram to myself or any regional official. If you want an easy way to build knowledge of nation states and familiarize yourself with the game get envolved in regional government. Our region is comprised of Board of Directors such as CEO, COO, CLO, CTO, etc. and senior management positions which are appointed positions by the Chief Operating Officer, who is currently Peacockastan, some of theses positions are VP-PR which does the regional news paper and another one is Ambassador, which assists the CTO, which I am by the way. Take a look here to see all the positions and there job descriptions:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1022812

If anyone has any interest in any position please telegram Peacockastan.

Buryasia, Vistryara, New Modernity

Any Game of Thrones fans in here?Lookg for someone to converse with.

Buryasia, Legoa

Greetings to the region. The Commonwealth of New Modernity was founded by scientists from a very well funded international think tank to build an ideal society based on scientific exploration, and the scientific management of our capitalist econonomy to fuel efficiency and innovation. "Better living through science", is the motto we live by, and we hope that our innovations will illuminate the region, and the rest of the world with the light of reason.

Sincerely,

H.R. Colsen, Member of the Technocratic Council.

Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star, Reardenland, Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia, Los Cayos, Eanor, Fushye

New Modernity wrote:Greetings to the region. The Commonwealth of New Modernity was founded by scientists from a very well funded international think tank to build an ideal society based on scientific exploration, and the scientific management of our capitalist econonomy to fuel efficiency and innovation. "Better living through science", is the motto we live by, and we hope that our innovations will illuminate the region, and the rest of the world with the light of reason.

Sincerely,

H.R. Colsen, Member of the Technocratic Council.

Welcome to Lands End!

The Democracy Of Red Star, Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia, Deims Kir, New Modernity

New Modernity wrote:Greetings to the region. The Commonwealth of New Modernity was founded by scientists from a very well funded international think tank to build an ideal society based on scientific exploration, and the scientific management of our capitalist econonomy to fuel efficiency and innovation. "Better living through science", is the motto we live by, and we hope that our innovations will illuminate the region, and the rest of the world with the light of reason.

Sincerely,

H.R. Colsen, Member of the Technocratic Council.

Wellcome to the company!

New Modernity

The Democracy Of Red Star wrote:Wellcome to the company!

What is a democracy doing in a company?

The Democracy Of Red Star, Legoa, Yawehs Chosen Peoples

Kapital In Action wrote:What is a democracy doing in a company?

corporations are often companies and are often democracies.

some cities are incorporated, they are not businesses but they are democracies.

some corporations are businesses but are not democracies (where there is a majority shareholder or it is a partnership).

The Democracy Of Red Star

Reardenland wrote:corporations are often companies and are often democracies.

some cities are incorporated, they are not businesses but they are democracies.

some corporations are businesses but are not democracies (where there is a majority shareholder or it is a partnership).

So like worker coops?

The Democracy Of Red Star

I’m going to ask, what do y’all think about that new condemnation that’s at vote?

The Democracy Of Red Star

The Federation Of Spokane wrote:I’m going to ask, what do y’all think about that new condemnation that’s at vote?

After reading it closely the Defense Office is going to render a no opinion on the matter. As such vote as you please.

Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star

Kapital In Action wrote:So like worker coops?

any company that sells shares and has no majority shareholder and more than two shareholders is a business-corporation and a democracy.

The Democracy Of Red Star

Reardenland wrote:any company that sells shares and has no majority shareholder and more than two shareholders is a business-corporation and a democracy.

...I don’t think you quite understand what democracy means

Atkemri

It’s a sad thing to see, but if you haven’t noticed Grater Tovakia has just resigned. Farewell to him. I hope the company offers a hefty severance check...

Atkemri, Legoa, Peacockastan, Deims Kir, Los Cayos, Scalpulavakiia

Kapital In Action wrote:...I don’t think you quite understand what democracy means

democracy literally popular government. so long as the right holders are electing leaders by popular vote you have a democracy. that is what happens in corporations albeit the votes are weighted by the number of shares and not just the number of people. in an incorporated town each resident effectively has a single share and so there is no difference.

Atkemri

Post by Reardenland suppressed by Peacockastan.

Reardenland

what do you think about weighting votes for government the same way votes are weighted for corporations? the people who invest the most have the strongest votes.

Reardenland wrote:what do you think about weighting votes for government the same way votes are weighted for corporations? the people who invest the most have the strongest votes.

Interesting Idea in thought, but it would seem challenging to implement. As far as I'm aware there's no way to gauge "investment" in the region unless we use influence, which in and of itself seems like it wouldn't work. Other than logistics I think that is a pretty good idea.

Atkemri, South-Central Rhodesia

Reardenland wrote:what do you think about weighting votes for government the same way votes are weighted for corporations? the people who invest the most have the strongest votes.

Please try not to double post, thank you!

Atkemri

Marijuana ought to be legalized.

Drug liberalization ought to be the end goal.

Atkemri

Adam Smith Institute wrote:Marijuana ought to be legalized.

Drug liberalization ought to be the end goal.

what if the commerce clause of the constitution (a1:s8:c3) were to read no entity shall have power to regulate commerce.

that'd legalize the selling and buying of anything.

The medicinal and therapeutic properties of marijuana certainly have their promises, but the drug intake of the population must be managed responsibly by our society's scientific elite. We have worked very hard at engineering a harmonious order in our society, and we do not want the excesses of the populace to disturb our controlled environment. According to our all pervasive surveillance of our population's biometrics, work and social habits, we find allowing moderate access to recreational substances to be good for maintaining their societal moral. Further research is needed.

Dr. Judith Ailer, Councilperson of The Technocratic Council

Atkemri

Yawehs Chosen Peoples wrote:It’s a sad thing to see, but if you haven’t noticed Grater Tovakia has just resigned. Farewell to him. I hope the company offers a hefty severance check...

How will the new CEO be decided?

Deims Kir wrote:How will the new CEO be decided?

We are still currently deciding on how to go about the process.

Deims Kir

Kapital In Action wrote:What is a democracy doing in a company?

Most members here are democracies......( Most of my other countries on NS are dictatorships so I made this one a democracy)

Reardenland wrote:democracy literally popular government. so long as the right holders are electing leaders by popular vote you have a democracy. that is what happens in corporations albeit the votes are weighted by the number of shares and not just the number of people. in an incorporated town each resident effectively has a single share and so there is no difference.

See “weighted by the number of shares” is where this stops being “popular government” and a “popular vote”

New Modernity

#RIPGraterTovakia

I’ll miss you man, you were a excellent COO and CEO.

As of rn, i think it’s safe to consider me nearly dead as a nation. I feel like I’m on the brink of having my nation CTE pretty soon.

Los Cayos

Kapital In Action wrote:See “weighted by the number of shares” is where this stops being “popular government” and a “popular vote”

not so fast, popular in its original usage simply meant belonging to the ordinary people or commoners (as opposed to the leaders/aristocracy). it only has been construed to mean that which is liked by the majority because of how leaders have been elected in democracies. the definitions of words often become bastardized by the way they are used and by what they are usually used to describe. there is no definitional limit as to how votes are tallied or who can vote within the word itself.

New Modernity

Reardenland wrote:not so fast, popular in its original usage simply meant belonging to the ordinary people or commoners (as opposed to the leaders/aristocracy). it only has been construed to mean that which is liked by the majority because of how leaders have been elected in democracies. the definitions of words often become bastardized by the way they are used and by what they are usually used to describe. there is no definitional limit as to how votes are tallied or who can vote within the word itself.

And stocks aren’t owned by financial leaders/aristocracy?

New Modernity

Kapital In Action wrote:And stocks aren’t owned by financial leaders/aristocracy?

i prefer the term shares to stocks.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/difference-between-shares-and-stocks/

regardless, isn't the ownership of shares that determines whether a person is a leader or a commoner. it is more usually the case that a commoner owns shares than it is that a leader owns shares by virtue of the fact that there are more commoners than there are leaders and share purchases are not limited to leaders. just as it is common for leaders to own land, land ownership is not difinitive of leadership. in fact, it used to be, in early America, in some states, that the landowners (a bit of shareholding/partial-ownership in the nation) were the only ones allowed to vote and yet it was still referred to by many as a democracy.

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Reardenland

need a poll on iran and a poll on hong kong. cook it up.

I have lost the first play of the soccer tournament of Lands End :|

However, hello.

Buryasia, Eanor

Reardenland wrote:need a poll on iran and a poll on hong kong. cook it up.

Try not to double post.

Also good game Voivodato Di Uyutta

Voivodato Di Uyutta wrote:I have lost the first play of the soccer tournament of Lands End :|

However, hello.

Sorry to hear that Voivodato Di Uyutta. I play on the 19th, though, so wish me luck!

But i have lose 3-0,Yawehs Chosen Peoples.

I have been destroyed.

However good luck, Deims Kir.

Maybe you will win, or you will have a less heavy lose

Yawehs Chosen Peoples

Voivodato Di Uyutta wrote:But i have lose 3-0,Yawehs Chosen Peoples.

I have been destroyed.

However good luck, Deims Kir.

Maybe you will win, or you will have a less heavy lose

is it a discord thing?

Also, I thought I obtained shareholder status.

The Democracy Of Red Star

The Federation Of Spokane wrote:is it a discord thing?

Also, I thought I obtained shareholder status.

Yes, it is a discord thing, and you are a shareholder.

The Democracy Of Red Star, The Federation Of Spokane

Soccer match?

The Democracy Of Red Star

Peacockastan wrote:Yes, it is a discord thing, and you are a shareholder.

Thanks Peacockastan, I thought I didn’t see my name on the shareholder list but turns out I missed my name when reading over it.

The Democracy Of Red Star

Men Of War wrote:Soccer match?

Peacockastan wrote:it is a discord thing

The Democracy Of Red Star, Peacockastan, Deims Kir

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Procale

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Begone, spammer.

Yawehs Chosen Peoples, Los Cayos, Eanor

You shall not pass, spammer

Los Cayos

Post self-deleted by The Democracy Of Red Star.

Check out the Updated Website!!! Since Grater Tovakia left office the website was obsolete, but I have now gotten access to it and have updated it and outfitted it with two new articles. One is an interview with a TSP official and the other is and Interview with BBR. Enjoy!

Also feel free to start using the regional forums they aren't fully up to date yet, but they are certainly operational and on the website.

Yawehs Chosen Peoples wrote:Check out the Updated Website!!! Since Grater Tovakia left office the website was obsolete, but I have now gotten access to it and have updated it and outfitted it with two new articles. One is an interview with a TSP official and the other is and Interview with BBR. Enjoy!\

YCP also added a missive I drafted. The website currently is at: https://yawehschosenpeople.wixsite.com/shareholder/

Yawehs Chosen Peoples wrote:

Also feel free to start using the regional forums they aren't fully up to date yet, but they are certainly operational and on the website.

The forums can be accessed through the same site, or go direct to: http://the-marketplace.proboards.com/

Legoa, Yawehs Chosen Peoples, The Federation Of Spokane

I have returned from my Absence

The Democracy Of Red Star, Legoa, The Federation Of Spokane, South-Central Rhodesia

Notch wrote:I have returned from my Absence

Welcome back! *raises glass of long island iced tea in your general direction*

Was it a holiday?? I have four weeks leave in a few days time and absolutely can't wait.......!!!!!!

Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star, Legoa, Notch

South-Central Rhodesia wrote:Welcome back! *raises glass of long island iced tea in your general direction*

Was it a holiday?? I have four weeks leave in a few days time and absolutely can't wait.......!!!!!!

I’ve got a 3 weeks leave coming up in July and August, I can’t wait!!!

The Democracy Of Red Star, South-Central Rhodesia

The Federation Of Spokane wrote:I’ve got a 3 weeks leave coming up in July and August, I can’t wait!!!

I've got a long break from work beginning at 1:45 pm tomorrow. But I'll be moving into my new house! Going to Vegas for a few days in late July.

Yawehs Chosen Peoples, The Federation Of Spokane, South-Central Rhodesia

South-Central Rhodesia wrote:Welcome back! *raises glass of long island iced tea in your general direction*

Was it a holiday?? I have four weeks leave in a few days time and absolutely can't wait.......!!!!!!

haha No, I was just inactive because I was busy with a lot of other stuff. Have fun on your holiday though!

Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia

I"M BAAAAAACK

Buryasia, Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia, Vistryara, Eanor

The Furry Island wrote:I"M BAAAAAACK
Welcome back

Legoa

The Furry Island wrote:I"M BAAAAAACK

Yay!

Legoa, Vistryara

Hahaha everyones coming back! :)

Notch wrote:haha No, I was just inactive because I was busy with a lot of other stuff. Have fun on your holiday though!

Thanks! My families in New Zealand so can't wait to get back.... its going to be so nice and cold.

Buryasia wrote:I've got a long break from work beginning at 1:45 pm tomorrow. But I'll be moving into my new house! Going to Vegas for a few days in late July.

Awww gotta love Vegas.... :)))))) have fun! Are you going to see any shows?

Legoa, The Federation Of Spokane

What the heck? I’m the 5TH most advanced transportation? How come I seem to never top anything?

The Federation Of Spokane wrote:What the heck? I’m the 5TH most advanced transportation? How come I seem to never top anything?
I'm in the top 3 percent for safest countries in this region

The Democracy Of Red Star

Vistryara wrote:I'm in the top 3 percent for safest countries in this reason

Uh

The Democracy Of Red Star

The Federation Of Spokane wrote:

Uh

I had a brain fart

The Democracy Of Red Star, South-Central Rhodesia, Voivodato Di Uyutta

Vistryara wrote:I had a brain fart

Explainable.

The Democracy Of Red Star, South-Central Rhodesia, Vistryara, Voivodato Di Uyutta

Vistryara wrote:I had a brain fart

Happens to the best of us lol ;)

Vistryara, Voivodato Di Uyutta

Greetings, folks.

That time has come again when we need to hold an election for the Board of Directors that will guide this region through whatever may happen, or at least sit around with a title and look pretty.

Anybody interested in running should contact me, either via telegram (Bonnie Blue Republic or Discord message (TheRandomIdiot#3149), with what office you're interested in.

Elections will commence in seven days, on July 1.

Thank you.

Legoa, Deims Kir

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:Greetings, folks.

That time has come again when we need to hold an election for the Board of Directors that will guide this region through whatever may happen, or at least sit around with a title and look pretty.

Hello I'm Yawehs Chosen Peoples your current CTO and I'm seeking a second term this July. The trade office under my direction has grown and the database we've collected will keep expanding. Foreign Affairs is important and pertinent to survival in NS , this also helps to build the Lands End recognition. If you wish to get into a senior management position ask the COO once elections are over:

If re-elected I will only re-open applications for ambassador, but keep in mind my current ambassadors who have the tactical advantage when applying after elections are over:

Los Cayos

Deims Kir

Please contact our delegate to get involved in this election cycle every position up for grabs.....

Bonnie Blue Republic, Legoa

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