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Region: Lands End
I personally disagree fundamentaly with the ideals of fascism. Fascism is based on the principle that everything in a country must happen for the good of the state itself, now that may not sound too bad but this leads to a system where the welfare of a nation is valued more than the nation's own people. Everywhere where fascism took hold fell down the slippery slope of stealing the rights of the nation's people under the justification of, it's for the good of the state.
For example in most fascist societies the government would purposefully hold down certain businesses because those businesses would be "bad" for the state. That usually ment that the business in question would be competing with another big business in the nation, or that that business would be "stealing" jobs from other more "beneficial" employers, such as the military or state owned business.
And while capitalism and fascism can go together they most certainly aren't a match made in heaven.
Then there is the issue of personal freedoms. It was't uncommon for fascist nations to take rights away from the populace. Now I may be biased here as I do lean to the libertarian side of things but I think most of us can agree that the more rights the better. For example fascist states often took away or placed heavy restrictions on the right to own firearms for fear of the population rising up and overthrowing their oppressors. Differing political opinions where also commonly banned in fascist nations for the sake of maintaining the status quo in government. Usage of substances was also heavily regulated if not outright banned because the government needs a healthy population to maintain a powerful military.
While a stable, free, and unoppressive fascist nation could be possible, it would need a bullet proof constitution to prevent a dictator rising to power. And history has shown that when fascism is put into place it leads to terrible things.
Of course this is just my take.
The Cull Obsidian, Butcherhooks, Capitalist Slime
Now a days yes your opinion is true but people do use Nationalism and Patriotism to support their countries and some people seeing you as someone who supports said nation is called a Fascist or Nazi. To let you know I've encountered people who say I'm a fascist but I tell them no I love my country but hate our ruling class.
Atkemri
Ok, since we're on the topic of Fascist ideals, I want to point this out. Fascism is, at its core, is the bundle of sticks policy employed by Mussolini in the 30's. It was a political experiment that ended horribly, however, some good came out of this. Hitler helped America while Hoover floundered (Not directly, mind you, but he by raising his countries economics, it helped America steady itself with foreign prices).
Now I know there's gonna be some 12-year old in the comments saying I'm a Nazi.
That couldn't be further from the truth. I hate Nazism, and everything that Hitler did was wrong. The problem is Utopia. Yes, a sci-fi society is to blame for this. How dearly do you guys hold fiction (I actually want to know, but I'd imagine pretty high)? All these works by authors and scientists telling others that there is no such thing, that humanity can't achieve Utopia. It can't, but that's where these ideas come from. Utopianism (Just go with it) is what Fascism and Communism were and are (I'll get to that). Marx wanted to create a society where these ideas flow into, where everything is owned by the government. This is what Hitler and Stalin based their ideas off of, some bearded dude telling them that this was the way. But here's the thing.
Let me ask you all a question: Leader controls everything, slavery exists, humanity is too technologically dependent, and religion and anything contradicting the government's ideas are crushed, like protests.
What comes to mind first, Utopia or Dystopia?
Plot twist: They're one in the same.
dis boi a nazi.
Also, this has absolutely nothing to do with what Cizicus or ButcherHooks said.
Whatever you guys all were talking about, my stance is that we should stay as unknown to raider regions as possible. Even if we befriend one of them, guess what? That instantly puts us on the radar for every single other raider region that we didn't befriend! Also, a region with as many endorsements as us, and with a semi-active founder that will jump in if necessary, the odds of us being successfully invaded are SO slim, that any effort we put into preventing a raid would be more work than it's worth.
Buryasia, Butcherhooks
Well yeah, we could just initiate an economic crisis by pulling out embassies. After all, we're in the 1% of Most Nations.
We could also probably bribe them. ;)
Also, I know you weren't paying attention, but we were talking about fascism.
Until he showed up, the conversation was over.
Also, I rejoined the WA. IS EVERYONE HAPPY?
Saint Gloria
wassup my bros n hos is ye boi and he gott wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddd
Atkemri
Hey guys, sorry about the inactivity. I was working with Capercom to get the dispatches fixed, but he suddenly left the region without giving any reason why. If anyone knows anything about coding, please contact me. Additionally, I got hit with a truckload of assignments and projects and I just got into an accident, so my life has been a bit of a trainwreck lately.
To make matters worse, my tax rate is out of control, and I can't seem to get it down.
The Cincinnatus Republic, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
benis lol
I firmly oppose fascism; I also firmly oppose crying "fascism" to win an argument.
I think Singapore clearly has the most powerful military out of all of them. Singapore could beat out the US, China, Russia, and the Galactic Empire all at once.
Unike
The fact the word fascist has become a slur for people that some people disagree with is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard.
Saint Gloria
But the GE has the death star and thousands of ships
Unike
I think Germany has a good military if we are counting that they make the guns for Americas tanks Krupp Steel and Hensel but if we're including the Galactic Empire its hard to say because rebels blew up 2 death stars and countless ships. So I voted for Germany.
Unike, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
As long as you're not a shareholder, yes.
I'm dealing with the same issue, over the past few weeks I've gotten it down from 58% to 50%. Basically anything anyone wants is now getting denied. It's a work in progress.
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Post self-deleted by The Cull Obsidian.
My tax rate is 80.2% at last check. Everything my citizens need is provided.
My tax rate is 3.8% with the average citizen making 182,000$ a year and the poorest 10 percent making upwards of 40,000$ a year. Everything they need they are able to buy themselves.
Singapore can just hurl buckets of water at the death stars and ships, it'll work ;)
Unike, Koriter
I think that the French are on their way to become the strongest military on the world.
Or they pretend to be.
Unike
My tax rate's at a smooth 15.8% with an average income of $92,380 and the poorest 10% making $48,513.
If you may remember me saying, my tax rate was at one point just over 60%. Now I've been able to get it down to around 20-25% for a while, and for that I'm grateful.
The Cincinnatus Republic
"The all-consuming Royalty economy, worth 131 trillion RoyalBanks a year, is broadly diversified and led by the Information Technology industry, with major contributions from Arms Manufacturing, Retail, and Book Publishing. Average income is an impressive 106,570 RoyalBanks, but there is a significant disparity between incomes, with the richest 10% of citizens earning 334,199 per year while the poor average 26,038, a ratio of 12.8 to 1."
What I like: How much my economy is worth a year.
What I really like: Diversification of industries
What I don't like: How little the poor are earning.
Any idea on how I can take their earnings up?
I think I got mine up by subsidizing industry
And I like the new disposable income metric because I think it accounts for countries, like mine, with high tax rates, but that are very good at keeping earnings up and providing services
Let's just take a moment to appreciate that there are members of this region who believe the USA could take the Galactic Empire in wartime.
Really, guys. Read all the options.
Unike, The United Banking Associaton, The Cincinnatus Republic
The USA could take the Galactic Empire with ease. All they have to do is through some good 'ol patriotism at them. Start playing the national anthem, throw some really high-quality Trump tweets about nuke arsenals, maybe even a border wall around the planet. I think this would take out the Galactic Empire with ease, or at least scare 'em away. Don't you think?
Unike, Koriter, Modern Israel
Amazing. Every word of what you said... was wrong.
The USA just needs everyone to fire their shotguns to the air.
It's simple math, come on man.
Unike, Modern Israel, Batelko
Oy, you all are forgetting:
The UK could easily repel a ground invasion by the GE. One: We're basically like the U.S. Want to know why nobody ever invaded either of us? Because a ground invasion would be basically impossible with the altering terrain. Also, we have a very large military, and one of the best spec ops units in the world.
Two: Say the GE invades Europe like the Germans. Then that means crossing the Channel and preparing their own little D-Day. We aren't called the Masters of the Sea because our ships look pretty. We'd be able to cut off supply lines effectively and efficiently once they actually landed.
Three: If the GE actually invaded Earth, screwed up, and we went to war against them AND WON, then A: We all die because of orbital bombardment, or B: We all die because of Death Star.
I MEAN BLOODY HELL, they're not gonna stand rebels, they just put them down!
Unike, Koriter
Nah you all are crazy North Korea could take on the GE, all of Earth and the Old Republic.
Dis boi ain't ever been to Texas.
We got military, oil, all de weed, and no major political value.
So if teh world ends, remember Texasas got ya back
(ANYBODY WHO SAYS ALL TEXANS ARE REDNECKS IS A GAYCONFEDERATECOMMUNAZI)
Bonnie Blue Republic
Nah, yall are wrong. Singapore is the best country on the list.
The Cull Obsidian
Nobody called you Texans rednecks. I think you just gotta take your meds, man.
The Cull Obsidian
You too, m8!
Post by Keltro suppressed by Clarkentrent.
Any of y'all play Call of War? (not CoD, but that's fun, too.)
Guys, for those who don't know, The Galactic Empire has about 250000 Star destroyers, thats about 250000 more Ship of the line spaceships than the USA has.
And then theres tech, seriously, don't let patriotism get in the way logic.
Unike
This sounds cringy, but do you mean here, in nationstates, or actual US vs. SW galactic Empire.
Post by Keltro suppressed by Clarkentrent.
I do not mean to insult you, chap, but why do you, a Socialist take haven in this Capitalist Paradise?
Do not double post
Clarkentrent
He's been gone too long. Raddled in the brain, he is.
Also, looking back on Krainer's post, would anyone care to explain what a gayconfederatecommunazi is? Because I feel like that's a thing now.
Well you see comrade, back in....*hic*....days of Soviet Union....*hic*....we had Gayconfederatecommunazis. They were the worst....*hic*....gayconfederatecommunzais around. We...*hic*....also had Attack Helicopters, but that story for...*hic*....another day.
Buryasia
Hey guys, how ya'll doin'? I'm Hankshire, and I'm finally glad to find a region where free thought is allowed!
(I came from Westphalia, DO NOT GO THERE. It's hell on Earth there right now.)
Unike, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic
I AINT GOT NO MEDS
Saint Gloria, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
I mean in real life, but, it depends on what the poll means.
Hey, has anyone head what happened to Spam? Apparently, their region was modeled after a dank meme, and they got taken over by some spammers. It's kinda sad how many non-military regions there are left. Also, taking from Hankshire:
I honestly think that we judge too much on what the entire region did. And with The Black Hawks growing in size and power, with regions across the Globe, who knows? They might take over The Pacific, and then what? Can you imagine creating a new region, logging off, and then realizing that you got taken over? Can you imagine waking up tomorrow, waking up, and realizing a nation you built over the course of a year, with 129 members, suddenly vanishes THANKS TO SOME WAR-FARING RAIDERS? IT'S SHAMEFUL! Anyway, that's my two-cents on the issue.
Also, I will officially be leaving the region today, as my other region is growing. I thank you for your hospitality and bid farewell to you all. Best of luck!
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Hey I'm new to the region, what's up
Saint Gloria, The Cincinnatus Republic, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
We allow the expression of free thought, as long as you don't double post (posting twice consecutively without any other post separating them).
You can use the edit feature to edit your posts to add anything you missed on your first one.
Boi the Black Hawks have been around forever. They aren't a recent development.
Some Random Lands, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
A country boy can survive.
Hank Jr. Intensifies
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
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Check out my new custom banner ft. Andy Mineo. You won't be dissapointed.
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Magnifico
Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives
Because a region is a community, a community of people, not necessarily the nations they own. My nation does not represent my values. I simply like the region and find great interest in some aspects of it. Why shouldn't I reside here? Besides, non-capitalist nations can reside here, no?
The Cincinnatus Republic
I did not mean to suggest you leave, sir, I was juts wondering.Excuse me if I came off as offensive.
So what do you guys think of the US-North Korean talks coming up?
I think this is a great thing personally. The only thing I worry about is the North Koreans actually follow whatever we agree on and don't continue with their nuclear program as done in the past.
Unike, Saint Gloria, The United Banking Associaton, Pafilon
I agree, although I think its doubtful North Korea will end their program. Theyve lied about this sort of thing before and I see no reason they wouldnt do it again. I honestly think the only reason they are even agreeing to these talks is so the US will lift its sanctions on them, while they continue to work on it behind our backs.
The North Koreans didn't agree to the talks. They proposed them. The talks demonstrate to his people that North Korea is the most powerful country in the world. (They actually believe this.) They demonstrate that the nuclear program has worked. (I actually believe this.) But, I still prefer talking to nuking, so I guess I am glad the talks are happening, I just don't see it going anywhere. Very difficult situation on the Korean peninsula that is going to be an international headache for decades. All the US and North Korea need to do is to figure out how to not nuke each other. The real negotiation needed to make any kind of difference in this problem is between North and South Korea.
I personally think it marks an important event in our recent history, given the amount of tension between North Korea and the Trump administration. This is definitely the biggest event of Trump's presidency so far, and whatever comes of this meeting could define his time in office.
The United Banking Associaton
Can we please talk about something other than what might become our impending doom?
The DPRK will never fire a nuke at anyone. Missiles are pretty old fashioned as a form of warfare anyway.
The Cincinnatus Republic
Just like bayonet charging until the enemy runs out of ammo, but hey, who am I to judge North Korean tactics?
Oh, there was an Onion article (It's a fake, JOKE news source.) that made fun of trump, and the North Korean gov. showed it to all there people, saying that it was an actual news source, and that's how all Americans thought of Trump. xP
Somethings are starting to make sense now....
Keltro
Post by Capitalist Slime suppressed by Torranta.
Hey, anyone know how to upload links into the World Factbook Entry to a region?
Yes, but don't double post
The Cincinnatus Republic
Sorry about that.
hi, do land's end has a map.
No we don't. Our region is more geared towards a corporation. However, if building a map is what the region wants, then we could start work towards it.
The United Banking Associaton, Buryasia, Fanter Kesh, Some Random Lands
Thoughts on the new Security Council resolution? Seems like a lot of people across NationStates are against it.
Fanter Kesh
Honestly what good would it do anyways? The black hawks have been condemned 2 other times from my memory
Some Random Lands
I once got a recruitment telegram from the black hawks. they were actually advertising the fact that they've been condemned multiple times. why give them another condemning to brag about?
Fanter Kesh, Some Random Lands, The Cincinnatus Republic
Well I honestly would like to see a map. Maybe make this region more like a corporate state.
The Democracy Of Red Star
I'd like a map...
The Democracy Of Red Star
No.
As the Delegate, I suggest we all vote AGAINST it. Invader regions treat condemns as trophies. For this exact reason, many condemns have been repealed. Condemning them is just one more trophy to add to their collection.
The Democracy Of Red Star, The Cincinnatus Republic
Still on the map topic, what about the map in the information section? The one made by New Slovakastan? Is that one no longer functional since that nation ceased to exist?
Saint Gloria, The Democracy Of Red Star, Some Random Lands
I'm fine without a map. It seems like a nice project though.
Saint Gloria, Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star
if someone's making a region map, they should look into everyone's factbooks to get a decent idea of what each nation in the region would look like on a map
Saint Gloria, The Democracy Of Red Star, Okla-Texas
First of all, we need to get our dispatches updated, and I need someone who knows how to code to assist me with this task. As of now, no one has voluntereed themselves. Secondly, if you want a map, then you would have to contribute effort towards it. I will set up a system that will facilitate the building of it, but I expect the region to be cooperative and not passive. Thirdly, I think the shareholders should vote on this, and then perhaps the board and CEO can further decide on the matter.
Saint Gloria, The Democracy Of Red Star, Okla-Texas
A motion to make a map would first have to be voted on by the board, and if everyone still wants a map, then the shareholders can veto and vote on it.
I can code, but my schedule is pretty hectic at the moment.
Saint Gloria, Wenchdom, The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg
If I leave the WA do I lose shareholder status?
The Democracy Of Red Star
Yes.
The Democracy Of Red Star
The region who tried to condemn the Black Hawks just earned themselves a raid. Poor guys.
Pertaining to the current resolution, I don't think I like the wording. It broadly outlines the condemnation of nations who don't promote and abash minority languages. Does that mean I can't have a national language for all citizens to learn? Or does it just mean I can't ban languages?
It specifically says that you may have a national language. Most of its provisions were only suggestions, or the World Assembly Language Service thing to only help caution nations and assist them. The only definite regulation the resolution has is that nations can not make a deliberate law with the specific intent of harming a language. Even if it inadvertently harms a language, it is still OK. As a result, the resolution doesn't hold too much power over anything. I'm still deciding whether the regulation is intense enough to warrant me voting against it or not.
Yes
Some Random Lands, The Cincinnatus Republic
hm... This is odd, because I know for certain that there is, or at least was, a position in senior management that was just making the map. I also know that LE has twice before, at a minimum, started designing a map that never got finished. Why would you have to vote on something that you have tried to do already?
That isn't a map. That's a layout of our office building. Cuz you know... We're a company.
Fanter Kesh
Considering I was one of the people who have held that position in the past...... it meant a map as well back then
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=875974
Bonnie Blue Republic
Can confirm. The BBR was on that old map.
Side note, what ever became of the corporate layout thing?
All of our Building Managers either quit, or didn't do any work. Xadrya had one going, but you know what happened to him.
What was the position? It hasn't been edited for as long as I've been here, and as far as I can tell, that map was started before Cap hired our first Building Manager to make a building design.
Bluximburg
Not even though, I was the first Building Manager, before cap even had a position. The position that was in charge of the map was BM.
Idk what happened to it after me, but I know I came up with a design that never got finished, and left the position for outside reasons. The guy after me I believe also started a map but never finished, but I'm not sure on that one.
Seeing as how the polls are going, if we do get a map, I think we should go with a similar concept as the old map, with an island that represents our region and plots of land that we can claim. I also think that we should stick with the bonus five spaces for being a shareholder. I have an idea though. I think we should base starting land based on regional influence. For example if your influence in nipper you would get 5 starting plots, and so on all the way up to hermit.
I don't know... I think as a company, most of what we make should reflect it. Xadrya was making an office building layout for us, but he flew away on a flying turtle.
I think that if we're making a map of the region, it should take the geography that each person describes their region as having into account. I'm not saying that it should squeeze in every detail, but it should help making a surface view. or maybe I have no idea what we're talking about.
Maps -- I love 'em. But I don't think I would like staring at an out-of-date one for a year. If we base it on regional influence, we are going to need a new map every week. If we take everyone's personal geography into account, the entire land mass will have to morph into a new and different land mass every couple of months. Even one along the pre-existing lines that, if I'm reading it correctly, Momocarlile had going, would become out-of-date within a matter of weeks to months. It's a lot of trouble. I'm neither willing nor able to do it. In my experience, no one usually is, but hey, this region has already surprised me a few times.
Oh and I like the company headquarters/office building idea because it is original. If we were to have an office building, I'd like a spot selling ads. In my experience, ad sales gets pretty good money for pretty limited work, and the occasional comp'ed meal and drinks when you shmooze with the bigwigs.
Bluximburg, Pafilon
I see your point, but I was just referring to regional influence dictating your starting land amount. Updating it would be impossible, especially with so many nations in this region.
And I guess we could give new nations a one month period or something to increase their influence. But what do I know
I hate to dampen the mood, but if anyone here who knows how to code can contact me, that would be great. Before we do anything, we first have to get our dispatches fixed!
While a map would be nice, it would require lots of work. I'd like to base land on regional influence, but don't make it like you grow 20% larger every time your influence grows.
so I've been putting together a repeal for the WA and I would like to know if any of you have an thoughts or suggestions.
Proposal Preview
General Assembly Resolution #417 "Restrictions On Hydraulic Fracturing" (Category: Environmental; Affect: All Businesses) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.
Recognizing that the intent of GA Resolution #417 was to help the environment at the expense of business,
Noting that General Assembly Resolution #417 does not take into account that the WA is made up of wildly diversified political beliefs and government types,
Further noting that every nation has the right to "National Sovereignty" and jurisdiction over all things within their nation,
Additionally noting that "National Sovereignty" guarantees the free exercising of legal power as well as a nation's independent political beliefs and standards, therefore giving a nation jurisdiction over its own economy, industry, and environment,
Regretting that this resolution impedes such jurisdiction,
Further regretting that this resolution causes unjust harm to many nation's economies,
Noting that this flawed resolution bars a more effective resolution from passage,
Seeking the opportunity to introduce a more effective and less restrictive version of this resolution to the World Assembly,
The World Assembly hereby repeals "Restrictions on Hydraulic Fracturing".
Saint Gloria, The American Imperialists, Fanter Kesh, The Allied States Of Gondor, Metropolitanempire
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.