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Region: Lands End
I would rather not have state-owned industry competing with privately owned businesses, However, I think that it would be a good idea if the government invested in privately owned businesses and provided subsidies to industries that the government felt was important or would provide growth to the economy. Which I think that the US government should do now rather than spending billions upon billions of dollars on military spending.
South-Central Rhodesia, Cairacos, Epic Hardcore Gamers
I see. another question. let's say a businessman asks the government to help fund the construction of a building that would help their business, and that the government agrees on the condition of wanting the business to overtime pay it back for the construction of the building plus a reasonable profit. would that be okay? again, I personally have no qualms with the government finding what seems to be fair ways to make money.
Yeah, that seems fine to me, as long as the government doesn't limit the free market, then I'll probably be okay with it.
Mythel
My fishing industry is randomly in the top 5% of the world.
International Settlements
I'm really proud to be affiliated with such an intelligent bunch. I'm not going to try to define my utopia mainly because I agree with the earlier poster that basically if I inflicted my views on everyone it would be more likely to create a dystopia than a utopia, despite my best efforts. I do want to add that I think the "small" scale actions and community interactions I make on a daily basis do more to create a utopia or a dystopia than any grand ideas I could ever formulate and write down. I DO think that philosophizing about pros and cons of various forms of government is a good thing. As citizens it is our duty to put serious thought into what we think is right and wrong in the government and in society. Be that as it may, what we all do every day is more likely to have an impact than our ideas. Maybe your ideas do have an influence on the world. But it is certain that your actions, or your inactions, directly effect the world every moment. Get involved in the world and try to make it better. As you all already make Lands End better.
Nordhpadhan, Bluximburg, Mythel, Legoa, Cyanation, Peacockastan, South-Central Rhodesia, Vistryara, International Settlements, Beyo
Hello
And Hello to all our new nations!
Buryasia, Bluximburg, Vistryara, International Settlements
hi
The new WA resolution is up "repeal"commend imperium anglorum"!
The way I have used quotes in this post is extremely odd.
International Settlements
We need stronger support if we're going to be practically the only ones against the WA BS.
Exactly, and, it's a years' long struggle. We need to attract new nations to depart the feeder regions which are controlled by evil superdelegates and join us. So, what we can do in the short- to medium-term is to increase participation in our region, encourage membership in the WA, endorse, endorse, endorse, fill out our ranks of officers, communicate, expand, and the like. Honestly I think the recent conversation about utopias is the kind of thing that makes our region attractive so just by participating on the RMB you are helping the long struggle against WA oppression!
Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia, Iwagoto, Beyo
Buryasia, Bluximburg, South-Central Rhodesia
The Board has discovered some citizens of Lands End don't seem to know about the Augustin Alliance's relationship (or lack thereof) with The Pacific so we have decided to make this announcement in order to further educate everyone in the region about what is going on in The Pacific.
The Pacific is not our friend. The Pacific is our enemy.
After much deliberation, the Central Strategic Committee (the Augustin Alliance's internal staff) decided to place sanctions on The Pacific. To see the AA's sanction policy click here. Below is the
CSC's statement that was made on the AA's forum.
"It has come to the attention of the Central Strategic Committee that the Pacific has committed heinous acts of subversion and espionage over the course of several years, causing significant damage and turmoil in numerous game-created regions. Additionally, these acts were carried out with the full knowledge and participation of its government, the New Pacific Order, which has shown no remorse whatsoever and has, in fact, responded with threats and denial.
After much deliberation and investigation, the Joint Task Force commanders, the Defense Officer, the Media Officer, and the Founder have decided to enact sanctions i, iv and v, in accordance with our External Sanction* policies, upon The Pacific:
i. Cross-membership ban. No resident may hold citizenship or other membership in the sanctioned region.
iv. Offensive military action against the sanctioned region, its allies, and protectorates, and its own military operations.
v. Recruitment targeted at the sanctioned region.
*The Alliance has no means for declaring war. Sanctions are our rough equivalent.
We will not sit idly by simply because we are smaller in number. We are not intimidated by you or your imperialist dogma. You will soon be added to our collection, just as others have that dared to antagonize us.
As members of the Augustin Alliance, we do not make threats, we make promises. You will be shown no quarter and when push comes to shove we will stand right by our allies through thick and thin.
Bullies are not welcome. Liars are not welcome. Deceivers are not welcome. You are not welcome.
Furthermore, we consider that the New Pacific Order must be destroyed."
The full post can be seen here: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=409009&start=144
This official CSC statement was made on November 26, 2018. We know that this was a while ago, and we are sorry that not all of you were able to hear about this sooner.
Below are some dispatches that you could use to educate yourself about what The Pacific has done to deserve these sanctions:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1129270
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1129272
Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, Bluximburg, Grater Tovakia, Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia, Free Southern Republics, Deims Kir, Cairacos, Beyo
In conjunction with that, I am immediately issuing a ban on ties with regions with ties to the dictatorship that styles itself as the pacific. If Graters fine with it, I would like to propose that All members cut their ties with the pacific and those who wont will be carefully monitored.
Beyo
Also, I forgot to mention that if you want to be involved in fighting The Pacific, then head over to the AA's Discord Server. Use this link to join:
https://discordapp.com/invite/rNY5vcJ
Cairacos
Welcome to our new friends in Barbaria whom we've recently completed an embassy with.
Buryasia, Legoa, Peacockastan, South-Central Rhodesia, Deims Kir, Beyo
I've been trying to avoid making decisions to promote civil rights and accidentally made mine go from outlawed to unheard of, which I believe is slightly above what I had.
Beyo
It's definitely better, but whether or not it's good is a different story.
Cairacos
I never said it was good, it's just the country I want it to be. I want the strongest possible economy and the least amount of civil rights or political freedom.
Iwagoto
Civil rights lovefest is so pacifist
It is kinda possible to be considered a civil rights lovefest and not be pacifist. Just be violent to people ,without any discrimination. I wouldn't reccomend it though.
That sounds dystopian. Why not have the best of all worlds (The BLUX way)? ;)
Beyo
No do it my way. A monarchy with economic success and a great environment is obviously the best way to go.
Iwagoto, Beyo
Why not have it all?
Vistryara
In theory, having the best of each nation and combining it into one natiom sounds good, but I don't think it would work.
Why not?
OOC: If we're talking dystopia, I believe Extinctionism is the way to go. All the freedom in the world, but I personally would love to move to any other country.
It would cause chaos, as one part get exploited to death.
Yeah. So sorry Blux, but your way has been outvoted.
I was having an exchange of telegrams about whether communism was an economic system , a political one or both. What are your thoughts on this?
My opinion is that it is both as the forced collectivisation and centralisation of industry makes it an economic system but the one party dictatorship also makes it a political system.
Also shout out to Jebslund for the debate.
Legoa, Peacockastan, Vistryara, Beyo
To me, it is a political system. It is supposed to be an economic system; however, socialism and communism claim similar economic aims. Insofar as those aims are the betterment of the working class, socialism has achieved much better results than communism, to date, though admittedly sanctions and general opposition by capitalists has undermined the communist system wherever it has risen. Personally I believe it wouldn't matter - communism was destined to lead to a cesspool of corruption and a total lack of economic incentives for achievement, while democratic socialism leads to merely a quagmire of corruption and a reduction of economic incentives. The primary difference is political. Communism requires the imposition of a tyranny of the majority by collectivized workers, who as a political bloc use any means necessary, usually the violent overthrow of a political system, to enforce their aims. Additionally, this bloc is exploited by communist politicians to support a single-party political system.
Legoa, South-Central Rhodesia, Deims Kir, Vistryara
Under Lennin's plan you were forced to make enough for everyone, but if you had any surplus, you could sell those for a profit. When Stalin took over, he out did that rule whole rule. Socialism usually refers to Lennin whil Stalin has Communism.
if the military force enforced by stalin had never existed, the warsaw pact and subsequently the USSR would've collapsed unde the peoples own opposition to the communist system.
By who?
Why would it cause chaos, and why would one part get exploited to death? That does not make any sense. That is like saying, I am only going to focus on my job and not on my health, because if I focus on both, my job would "get exploited to death."
A million people...
Ahh, I've changed from Iron Fists Consumers to Moralistic Democracy send emergency relief aid
Iwagoto
Emergency relief aid, eh? Sounds like an unnecessary strain on the taxpayer to me...
Buryasia, Free Southern Republics, Cairacos
This is in my nation's factbook if you want to read it later:
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The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism
Chapter I
Ignorance is Strength details the perpetual class struggle characteristic of human societies;[6] beginning with the historical observation that societies always have hierarchically divided themselves into social classes and castes: the High (who rule); the Middle (who work for, and yearn to supplant the High), and the Low (whose goal is quotidian survival). Cyclically, the Middle deposed the High, by enlisting the Low. Upon assuming power, however, the Middle (the new High class) recast the Low into their usual servitude. In the event, the classes perpetually repeat the cycle, when the Middle class speaks to the Low class of "justice" and of "human brotherhood" in aid of becoming the High class rulers.
Ian Slater writes that Goldstein goes beyond George Orwell's beliefs in earlier work, such as A Clergyman's Daughter, in which the Middle makes a pretence of believing in equality. In Animal Farm, the state sought power to improve society, but once technological advances make equality possible, the Middle abandons their former promises, as socialism only stands in the way of their aims; they become explicitly tyrannical and openly hostile to equality. The new rhetoric of the Middle becomes Ingsoc and hierarchical collectivism. This pursuit of naked power, without any pretense of concern for equality, distinguishes the Party from previous tyrannies, though the Party initially justifies its control through dedication to socialism. By focusing on collectivism, the Party can consolidate their power and present Ingsoc as an inevitable followup to capitalism in which the Low are no longer exploited. In reality, the social castes are no longer necessary, and collectivism only serves to prolong the exploitation of the Low. Slater states that while O'Brien does not own his mansion, he still lives in luxury compared to the lower castes. Once the Party consolidates its power, all justifications are abandoned. The Party itself is a meritocracy, not hereditary. This is not rooted in egalitarianism but practicality, as the Party realizes that its continuation depends on purity of orthodoxy, rather than a bloodline.[7]
Unlike Orwell's prior writing, the Party's exploitation in this case is fully intentional. Slater writes that Orwell desired to show through the Party's unrealistic politics that modern authoritarianism was growing more lustful of power for power's sake. Orwell believed that modern states could bring about the desires of the Spanish Inquisition to not only control men but also control their thoughts. This could be achieved through technological breakthroughs, such as the telescreen, a two-way television that allows continuous government surveillance of the population. Efficient use of such technology to control the populace requires centralisation, and the four ministries of Oceania the Ministries of Truth, Peace, Love, and Plenty fill this need.[8]
Oligarchical collectivism: The Oceanian social-class pyramid in the year 1984.
The Proles usually are not subject to propaganda. Instead, it is the middle class the Outer Party that the Inner Party fears. Because the Proles have lost everything and have nothing, they have no future. The Party, through the Ministry of Truth, practices historical revisionism, which robs the Proles of a past, too. Robbed of the ability to learn from history and the worries of the future, the Proles exist in state of constant present and are incapable of revolution.[9] In order to prevent any unorthodoxy, the Ministry of Truth uses Newspeak, an impoverished language that makes heresy impossible by omitting words that could express it. Newspeak also reduces thought to simple opposites, such as good and "ungood", an intentional dichotomy that hides nuance and ambiguity while promoting black and white thinking. Party members are further subject to self-deceptive habits of mind, such as crimestop ("preventive stupidity"), which halts thinking at the threshold of politically dangerous thought, and doublethink, which allows simultaneously holding and believing contradictory thoughts without noticing the contradiction,[10] to wit:
. . . but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink.[This quote needs a citation]
Chapter III
Before reading the first chapter, Winston reads the third chapter War is Peace, which explains that slogan-title's meaning, by reviewing how the global super-states were established: The United States merged with the British Empire and Latin America to form Oceania; the USSR absorbed continental Europe to form Eurasia; and Eastasia emerged "after a decade of confused fighting", with China proper's annexation of Japan, Korea and parts of Mongolia and Tibet. In various alliances, they have warred for twenty-five years. Yet the perpetual war is militarily nonsensical, because "it is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting and are not divided by any genuine ideological difference", since each is a totalitarian state.[11]
Scientific advance is held carefully in check, as the Party does not want to allow for any unaccounted abundance of goods, which could conceivably raise the quality of life beyond bare subsistence for the Proles. The only technological advances permitted are in mind control and genocide, the twin goals of each of the superstates. Once mind control is perfected, the superstates are free to destroy their counterparts in a theoretical single, decisive strike that precludes retaliation. Technological advancement, even in war, can be counterproductive to the goals of the Party; none of the superstates are a true threat to each other, as they all must exist in a state of permanent limited war to survive. By harnessing the hysteria of war and demand for self-sacrifice, each of the nations declare war not on each other but on their own populace, who are kept ignorant, on the brink of starvation, and overworked. Permanent limited war also allows for the Party to divert attention away from domestic concerns and their failures. Instead of promises of an "easy, safe life", Slater writes that Orwell believed that the populace requires heroic nationalism. Thus, war becomes a psychological tool to establish a kind of ironic "peace", a stasis where progress is impossible and nothing ever changes, except for the possibility of eventual global conquest.[12] However, even though Inner Party members have devoted their lives to establishing Oceania as the universal world power, they use doublethink also in connection with the war, knowing that it is necessary for the conflict to go on indefinitely to keep the structure of Oceanic society intact.
Iwagoto
Eh. Being a CTO is hard...*relaxes on beach* Thank you Reformed Grols Seland for being a excellent Ambassador!
Buryasia, Bluximburg, Beyo
*A helicopter lands at the area*
-Greetings. I am Carter, the ruthless dictator of the Grantonlatis nation. I have a proposal for all of you.
I want to pay you guys for a new experiment I hope we can achieve. I want to make a factory that will test exotic resources never seen before. I have chosen this region to make a great outpost for our new factory. This factory is region-wide and will test our crystals that we have gotten.
In return, I will pay you *counts money* 500,000$ a minute you work.
What do you say?
Beyo
Post by Grantonlatis suppressed by Bluximburg.
I'll be back, I do expect a request
Have you tried these crystals yourself? I just want to make sure it isn't too harmful. Other than that, I wouldnt mind Grantonlatis.
Beyo
Don't fret, we're back to our old title.
I accept.
Vistryara, Beyo
I'll be keeping an eye on you...
Cairacos
today I listened to a story about murderous chicken people, and it got me thinking.
I already asked about your utopias, but now it's time to talk about the citizens. after all, what is a perfect world without perfect people?
so here is my question: if you were a mad scientist, how would you design the "perfect human"?(end result doesn't need to actually fit our current idea of "human". in the story I listened to, the murder chickens vomited eggs from which their young would hatch and could spit acid.)
please start with using the existing human as a base template, and list the changes you would make to get your specimens. please share how you would rewire nerves, how you'd adjust the instincts and brain, if you'd mess with the way they reproduce, any body parts you'd add or remove, how'd you'd make them pretty if you care about that.
due to the subjective nature of the question, there are only two limitations I will apply: the before mentioned human starting template, and that your end result has to be able to exist in our world. doesn't matter if evolution would never be able to make it, so long as it doesn't need to break any basic laws of reality in order to exist.
Buryasia, Legoa
Good, then let me tell you more about these crystals...
We have 3 crystals,we are about to get 12 more. They are in a different region each. Here they are:
The Force Flyer blue crystal, which has the powers of EMP waves
The Dictatorial Paradise, my home region, the red crystal which has the power to control minds and manipulate
and The Rejected Realms black crystal, which has the powers of necromancy
I need you to make the official CARTER INC Experimental LABS, and study these crystals. Any limitations on their powers?
We have tested that they are safe so far
Mythel, Beyo
sir, im sorry but i dont use money. i use poker chips.
The Cincinnatus Republic
Post by Grantonlatis suppressed by Bluximburg.
We can compensate for that too
But first business, I need a powerful army...
In the The Dictatorial Paradise, there is a nation named 1000 Stars planning to destroy me. He is weak. Would anyone like to join me to bomb his cities into DUST.
PS: I also need an assassin to handle the job of killing the leader
Iwagoto, Beyo
Post by Grantonlatis suppressed by Bluximburg.
We can return to this region after
Please do not double post.
Did someone say army? I have one of the most powerful militaries in the region and would love to help.
OOC- this is not an RP region but we do have one called The Breakroom (don't move there, we have an embassy) that can be RPed in. If you want to conduct a war with this nation we could have a conflict on the forums.
Buryasia, Beyo
We need to fight him in "his" territory. I actually have a plan. You assemble your army together. I will try to negotiate with him and see if he wants peace. If not, I will tell you in telegram and then you can attack in the region. After we are done, you can return to this region, and I will come with. This is my new secret headquarters. What do you think?
Oh I see what you are going for, give me the word and I will send a puppet to your region.
I will accept your business opportunity (I will only if you think it right)
yes, I would like all of the red and black crystals please. from this day forth everyone will know me as the eternal emperor!
The Democracy Of Red Star
Finally got my crime under control, also improved my economy. Does anybody happen to be selling any infinity stones?
Saint Gloria, Bluximburg, Mythel, Beyo
Greetings. :)
The Cincinnatus Republic, Vistryara, Beyo
Hello!
Deadly Night Shade, Cairacos, Beyo
Is the region usually this quiet this time of day?
Yup, many of us are at work or school.
Deadly Night Shade, Saint Gloria, Buryasia, Bluximburg, Vistryara
Yep!
Deadly Night Shade, Buryasia
Welcome to Land's End.
Deadly Night Shade, Buryasia, Beyo
As do I, Only in a much different time zone :(
Thank You ^_^
Of course, there's always action in the discord.
Deadly Night Shade
My problem is that my computer and ISP dislike Discord and the premise become a major nightmare that I don't wish to repeat. I've been there and done that.
You know, I experienced that myself. I was fortunate and a friend built me a pretty nifty laptop for a mere $240 that is handling it nicely. But yeah, I hear you. Anyway, now that my computer can handle discord, my shortcomings as a user are more and more obvious.
Deadly Night Shade, Beyo
Same story here. I feel you man, but if you get bored you can always TG me around 230pm eastern time(not my time zone, I am just using it as a happy medium) and Ill be happily able to entertain any bored Lands Enders.
Deadly Night Shade, Beyo
I'm glad that I'm not the only one with that problem. I used to inhabit the forums, but after IF and Zeta sold out to Tapatalk, that was taken from me. :( BTW, I'm of the feminine persuasion. ;)
I haven't been around NS long enough to know exactly who you're talking about, but can relate in the sense that I found myself marginalized in some regions for not conforming to groupthink. This is definitely a pro-free-market region but here you can debate socialism, communism, whatever floats your boat. If there's something we're for more than capitalism, it's probably the right to say, think, and govern your nation any way you want.
Legoa, Extinctionism, Beyo
Sorry Maam, Ill use feminine pronouns from now on when referencing to you. I apologize for misgendering and hope we can have a beneficial relationship with our nations.
Deadly Night Shade
OOC: That's why I moved this nation here. I don't support everything my nations stand for and I was tired of being belittled for an ideology that I don't even have. This really is a truly tolerant region.
Buryasia, Legoa
There's a very small number of things we won't tolerate here.
Extinctionism
Like Francoism?
Buryasia
Probably, sure. I'm giving an opinion, not as CLO here.
What's a CLO? I'm almost sure you don't mean a collateralized loan obligation?
Chief Legal Officer
Extinctionism
I understand, Ive been watching applications for embassays carefully
Buryasia
Oh, I should have guessed that. Thank you for answering. And you have a beautiful flag!
Buryasia
Snakes & money, right? It almost sounds like hip hop lyrics
Extinctionism
I could totally see "snakes and money" being in the top 40.
Buryasia, Cairacos
Rock Charts maybe
Usually in corporations, the "Chief Legal Officer" term is not used. General Counsel is the more appropriate term.
Buryasia
Blux, can I TG you?
That makes sense, Blux, but I wouldn't have thought of it. Thanks, Blux!
Bluximburg, Extinctionism, The Federation Of Spokane
Chief Legal Officer is used as well, and seeing as this is a large company, it would stand to reason that there were multiple lawyers on retainer or even on staff.
CLO makes it sound like they're the boss of a division, rather than an indivudual, as the rest of the board staff are.
Well, I mean, as CLO, I rule that I can use either one. I think Blux allows that my official title is CLO, and he just thought the term "counsel" would have been more appropriate at that moment in the conversation.
Extinctionism
Umm, are all of the links in the region description up to date? Because all of the "shareholders" seem to be dead.
Probably not. But we're getting there. You good at BBCode and wanna help?
Extinctionism
Far from it, I'm very new to nationstates bb code. I'm not used to so many options lol
No worries, I've been accused of being a guy my entire NS career. A common misconception is that there are no girls in NS which is totally erroneous. Many of us may not openly declare our femininity for fear of stalkers, but I have a husband who will defend me and my honour.
Buryasia, Bluximburg, Legoa, Extinctionism, The Federation Of Spokane
Why should there be no girls on Nationstates? I've seen Queendoms and Matriarchies. And my experience is that there won't be stalkers if you don't post pictures tho.
Deadly Night Shade, Legoa, Beyo
Yeah, there are actually a decent amount of prominent and experienced female NS players. It's surprising how many people don't really seem to realize that.
Deadly Night Shade, Extinctionism, Cairacos
In every game there are creeps and it doesnt matter about photos I think. All It takes is one conversation or encounter and bam. At least thats how I see it
Deadly Night Shade, Extinctionism
Well, I'll consider that my warning, thx :D I am used to smaller communities void of creeps (or void except for the one that keeps figuring out how to circumvent his ban).
Deadly Night Shade
I think the AA is pretty on top of keeping creeps out. Whether you're a new member or a long-time one, if you receive inappropriate communications in NS, inform a moderator, and I encourage you to inform someone in the LE or AA gov't so we can if needed ban someone throughout the AA and on the discord.
Deadly Night Shade, Bluximburg, Legoa, Extinctionism, Beyo
Yeah, the AA ban list does a pretty good job at keeping unwanted individuals out. Make sure to report stuff like that to the mods and an official, we take this kind of stuff seriously.
Deadly Night Shade, Legoa, Extinctionism, Cairacos
Experience has thought me that many of the Queendoms and Matriarchies in the game are the puppets of guys posing as girls. When The Alliance Of Queens was in full swing, some ten years ago, we had a number of posers attempting to pass themselves off as girls, after all, --> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/427/561/7ad.jpg
Just how much NS experience do you have? For your information, stalkers don't need pictures to stalk their victims. There was a case in the Queens of a 30+ yo man stalking a 15 yo girl. No pictures were ever shared.
Legoa, Extinctionism
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