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Region: Lands End
What type of food does everyone like?
Sea View
Rice; I cannot live without rice.
Unike, Sea View, Max Thunder
Never do keto then!
I'll eat anything, personally
Fried!
Fried Rice!
Nasi goring,
Chao-fan,
Mie goreng,
All Fried is Delicious!
are you indonesian?
Don't mind me just breaking the silence.
Atkemri
Post self-deleted by Cyanation.
You're a brave man...
The Cincinnatus Republic
Speaking of brave souls, I am now accepting applications via TG for the position of Vice President for Public Relations (VP-PR).
Application: [spoiler]Are you a Shareholder: Y/N
Are you familiar with BBcode: Y/N
How often are you online:
Are you on the discord: Y/N [/spoiler]
My friends, my country is living through tragic time. Thinking it d make my government a more efficient economic machine i allowed computer to rule my country, sadly they nationalized my whole economy and i m now labeled with socialist policy...weep the previous federal president. People of lands end i demand your support in those sad times
Buryasia, Tri-Galleon Yudobya, Cyanation
I mean, my computer-run economy is ninth in the region.
So...
Buryasia
BAN COMPUTERS!!!! they're the problem.
Wow, this may be my favorite poll of all time
Legoa
I feel like we need another option on the Poll...
I, for one, haven't seen any of them.
The Cincinnatus Republic, Kurczak Mielony, Grater Tovakia
Ive only ever seen Red October but I really liked it.
Grater Tovakia
Chose one from the ones you have seen
Grater Tovakia
Legoa
I read half way through Red October and dropped it because I got tired of the way it talks about women. P.S. that's not just because I'm a matriarchy thou.
Buryasia
How does it talk about women? I have only seen the movie and it did not seem rude?
Legoa
Red October is brilliant, it's the sort of film people dismiss because it's so popular but it's a genuinely great film. Clear and Present Danger is superb too, but Patriot Games is too simplistic compared to the novel.
Grater Tovakia, Legoa
Hello
Greater Libertoria
I-I'm not exactly sure that's how not seeing any of those works...
Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia, The American Imperialists, Cyanation
should military service be required to vote?
no, but I a video I was listening to while playing video games brought the movie up, and how it works. I'm curious about the implications of it. on one hand it would both give people incentive to join the military and makes sure the people who vote actually care about what they are voting for. on the other hand, I see the right to vote as something all people should have and originally seen things like the draft as an roadblock to that.
currently I am going to try to see the arguments people have for and against the idea of military service granting the right to vote, then use the arguments presented to reconstruct my opinion on the subject.
also, while I haven't watched the movie yet, the video I was listening to did make me interested. is it any good?
Hyena Lands
Buryasia
I've literally seen none of them.
I don't really do movies.
So if someone for physical or mental reasons cannot serve in the military, they should be barred from voting?
Sorry. My bad. I misread your statement
have you read any Tom Clancy books?
Hyena Lands
I think the doctrine of respondeat superior is a healthy form of business regulation. It allows for business to held accountable for negligent acts of their employees. However, I am still going to vote against it because I do not like uniform regulations which force independent nation states to succumb to foreign standards.
Buryasia, The American Imperialists, Hyena Lands
It really doesn't matter if one solution is better than the other, this is an individual nation issue, not a WA issue
Buryasia
Personal business note: I'm having connectivity issues because my laptop never really adapted to Windows 10. Does anyone have a recommendation what is a good laptop in the $500-$900 range? By "good," I mean, runs websites quickly, including nationstates and discord; likely to continue to do so despite updates and changes over the next 3-5 years; good enough for light gaming (I don't really do anything with real-time graphics but if it could run the occasional MMORPG that would be a bonus.)
Bonnie Blue Republic
Hey lads. I received a telegrammed invitation from Bonnie Blue Republic
I am highly active and am a puppet ambassador sent by Empires Reunited
I look forward to furthering diplomatic (neutral, dont worry) ties between our regions. May diplomacy prevail!
Cheers!
Edit: I will be joining the discord server later tonight.
Buryasia
If you guys are bored and looking for something to do feel free to drop a red hot steaming endorsement of The Holy Bofa. It's the bees knees.
Hello,
Just letting everyone know I am still alive although I am inactive.
Atkemri, Buryasia, Bluximburg
Buryasia
Why is Lunch not included in this poll?
Unike, Atkemri, The Holy Bofa, Karbachav, New Carlisle Military Academy
There's no Computer Science in the poll; that's my answer, so I will just post it here.
Did you get the telly sent by OOF1?
Whoops, I missed it; I'll have a look.
EDIT: Yes; I responded.
I cannot vote, but my favorite school subject is Science.
Oof1 is me. I am the ambassador puppet of that nation. You can reply to tha telly here or to OOF
History is the gateway subject. You can learn so much more about other subjects just by digging through some history.
Buryasia, The American Imperialists, Legoa
As an ambassador and as head of foreign affairs of the region Empires Reunited, how do I become more involved in the Lands End community despite my ban from the WA? I have already joined Discord.
We will be hosting an economic convention soon, and I will be starting an RP in The Breakroom in the next few weeks. So stay patient.
Copy that.
I'd like to extend a doot to our AA friends
Bonnie Blue Republic, Buryasia
Howdy!
in other news, my first ever WA draft is up here: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=452358. feel free to hop down and vote on the poll/add you 2 cents. (This will be my last promotion of this on any AA property August I just wanted to alert LE)
Bluximburg
Good work. I will support any measure to diminish the WA resolutions.
Bonnie Blue Republic
Hello.
The welcome telegram said I should introduce myself here.
As the leader of Childeville, I must say that it is truly a pleasure to meet you all.
Buryasia, Bluximburg
Welcome to Lands End!
On behalf of Empires ReUnited, I extend warm greetings, and welcome, of course, to Lands End!
I don't want to make a huge debate about it on here, since that's what the forums are for, but I think it could use a few more arguments. Perhaps a line about how it has a bias baked into its conception -- plenty of nations don't think it's moral for government to "guarantee" a minimum standard of living at all, but rather create the conditions whereby their citizens can improve their own lives through good decisions.
Anyway, I'd vote for it regardless. Good luck!
Bonnie Blue Republic
Thank you both, so much, for the warm welcome.
Tri-Galleon Yudobya
Childeville
should cannibalism be legalized? to be clear, what I mean is that if the person being served to already be dead, and as already agreed to be turned into sandwich meat before they died, and the meat was determined by trained professionals to be safe for consumption. no killing and no biting right out of the corpse, just serving human meat that either came from the already dead or was grown in a petri dish.
Post by Ballpit12 suppressed by Bonnie Blue Republic.
As long as your nations FDA approves it, sure???
I have a question, and this may very well be a moderator question, but I have noticed an oddity on a few of my puppets. Its well known throughout the game that I have many puppets spread throughout different regions. Despite this, one of my puppets received notifications about embassy construction with my home region, Empires Reunited, and 3 other different regions. The weird part is, the puppet that received the notification is in neither of those regions, and neither region is logged on its dossier. So, why would Ballpit10 receive embassy construction notifications in regards to regions that it isnt even a resident of?
Edit: I posed the question in the forums
Please refrain from double posting in the future.
No that's disgusting lol
The Cincinnatus Republic
Copy that
Hello, our fledgling nation has arrived at the best region, Lands End. I hope to be able to conduct trade with everyone here.
Atkemri, Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic
Welcome aboard
Buryasia
Cannibalism is not really heathly, no matter what, and it really serves to purpose to eat someone whether they wanted it or not, so no it should not be legal.
thank you for the reply. i did not know this, and thought that upon my departure from the region, that i would automatically resign from office. guess not.
I asked this question to see what answers I would get. currently I am disappointed in the quality of arguments. so far we have
and
these are poor arguments in my opinion. for the first one, something being "disgusting" is not a valid excuse to prohibit something, otherwise sewer pipes would illegal and the highly subjective nature of "disgusting" would lead to law makers banning anything they pleased. for example: meat, gay marriage, sex in general, men, women, children, old people, almost every bit of green food there is, fish, ect. I think you get the picture.
as for the health and purpose argument, there are flaws with it as well. candy is not healthy and serves no purpose, should we prohibit it? should we ban any TV show that isn't the news, as only the news serves a purpose? what about music? fiction books? pets that can't hunt? we already tried alcohol. what about birthday parties? should we cancel Christmas? Easter? toys don't serve a purpose anyways, might as well ban them.
my point is twofold. one is that both arguments, as you can see, lead down a road of tyranny. secondly is that neither argument really makes an argument about why it would be bad to society. granted one made an argument why it wouldn't improve society, but not about how cannibalism would hinder it. strange, as I myself can think of at least one: a body that's been eaten most likely can't have its organs used for medical or scientific purposes. granted, same can be said about a body left to rot in the dirt, but I'm not a fan of graveyards anyways.
let's be fair, the pro-cannibal side isn't really any better.
that's not an argument, that's a position.
Bluximburg
I mean I guess you are kind of right. While I personally wouldnt legalize it because of moral reasons.
Hey everybody! New to the region just wanted to say hi!
Buryasia, The Cincinnatus Republic, Tri-Galleon Yudobya
It should be illegal, as it is a crime against human dignity and all that is noble or civilized. Cannibalism should be illegal no matter what, eating humans is a very primitive practice that would be opposed by most if not all of a countries population. Also all people should be entitled to a proper burial whether or not they want to be eaten or not, making this very immoral. This is a very taboo thing to eat, it's like eating dog or horse, which most countries that practice in eating dogs are generally frowned upon, basically what I'm saying is that eating humans would also hold a very bad public image for a country.
Unike, The American Imperialists, The Cincinnatus Republic, Cyanation
Hey mate! Glad to see you finally joined (were friends)
why did you abort embassy construction with my home region which i represent, Empires Reunited?
I went through the whole process and it was already approved.
Reeeeeeeeeeeee ((Ive cracked))
again I ask, why was embassy construction aborted?
There are some preliminary requirements which were not met, and a lack of communication within the board concerning requirements for diplomatic relations. As a board member, I would extend an apology for the misunderstanding. However, I would leave further answers to the relevant officers. We hope this incident will not ignite any form of hostility.
No hostility from me. May diplomacy prevail!
Bluximburg
saying that something is immoral is useless unless you fully explain why. I will accept proper burial as a reason, but only if you can explain why a proper burial is something people are entitled to. please try to refrain from answering with another statement that would have to itself be supported by something else.
you're just in time for a debate about cannibalism.
cannibalism has no inherent cause to not be allowed except the fact that an absolute majority of people are against it being put in place. Which is the same for everything so it s a non debate here? i mean if a majority of people thought human sacrifice were good like the atzecs did it would be good for the society that enforce it and therefore be morally right.
this is the worst argument so far. the purpose of debate, at least so far as I understand, is so that people can get the perspectives of all sides, see the flaws in each argument, and learn from it. they then take the information to see if it changes what they believe about something. then they take their newly fleshed out perspective and possibly do and/or listen to more debates to get more wisdom on the subject. THE WHOLE POINT OF DEBATE IS TO GET PEOPLE TO RETHINK THEIR POSITION! as such, what the majority thinks does not immediately declare one side the winner or loser in a debate. if that were the case, we'd still be in the stone ages.
what the majority thinks now is completely useless in a debate because if the debate did its job right then the beliefs people had before might not(though still could) be what they have after. what is important is the actual information that leads someone to getting a certain perspective on the subject.
let's use the human sacrifice thing as an example. let's say you were from a society that still did human sacrifice was around, and a small group within that society advocated for switching to only animal sacrifice. by some miracle they don't get killed immediately and debate is allowed to form. people listen to the arguments from both sides and begin to rethink their positions. for the purposes of this example, let's say that after the debate they find the arguments against human sacrifice to be more compelling than the ones for it. slowly the the movement grows and grows, until pro-human sacrifice is no longer the majority.
in short, there is no such thing as a non-debate, because what the majority thinks is influenced by debate.
I agree with you to an extent. Social conventions and norms are not always explainable in a fully logical manner.
Mythel
Post by Peacockastan suppressed by Buryasia.
I really agree with this like for example, if we all believed what everyone believed to be true then we would all still believe that the Earth is the center of the universe or that all things can be split infinitely and atoms don't exist because all of those things were believed by the majority of people and believed to be true for hundreds of years until they were proven wrong. This really makes me think now.
Mythel
I think that cannibalism is most likely viewed immoral because of the special kind of relationship that people hold with the dead. Kinship is a potent force in the human psyche, which makes eating these people seem immoral or distasteful, like eating your pet dog or something. As people we share deep feelings and bonds with others and these feelings don't just stop when those people die, this is why people bury the dead instead of just leaving their lifeless husks out in the open to rot. That is why it is immoral to eat someone, dead or alive, at one point in time someone else cared for that person, be it a mother, father, family member, they were loved or at least cared for. For instance how would you feel if someone cut the meat off of say your mother or someone you loved and put it in a stew. This is just the emotional response that people hold for the dead, it may not really make too much of a grounded reason, but it's still a reason that sprung out of emotions of human beings which in my book doesn't make it any less legitimate of a reason.
Now I would also like to point something out, it cannibalism was legalized where people would donate their bodies to be eaten, just think. The number of people who would actually do that would be considerably low, most likely because they want their family members to have a way to mourn for them or they want to donate it to medical research so that in hopes their body might help save a life one day instead of having their body cooked and serve as someones dinner.
Also I would like to point out that beyond the normal risk of eating something that has died from who-knows-what, there's the fact that you can catch literally every transmissible disease from the dead. Airborne, bloodborne, fecal, prion-based, viruses, ls heavy metal contamination. Butchering a human would require a bio hazard suit and the raw meat would need to be treated as medical waste.
And one more thing too which seems pretty important to me... we don't taste good. We live incredibly long and eat a carnivorous diet, so I'm willing to bet myself that we taste disgusting. Also Chef Mao Sugiyama cooked up his/her own body parts after a sexual reassignment surgery for some guests, and they said that the parts were so horrible in taste and texture that they were inedible.
EDIT: I'm not saying that a professional can't clear human meat for consumption after some treatment, just that it would be incredibly difficult and dangerous to do.
The American Imperialists, Mythel
I'll keep this short, Cannibalism should never be legal.
The American Imperialists, The Cincinnatus Republic, Tri-Galleon Yudobya
your entire argument is good, but in my opinion the strongest part is the part about the health risks. human meat from an actual corpse would simply be too difficult to determine the quality of to be worth it. also, I probably would
though one thing I notice is that both the personal connection argument and health risk argument require that the meat comes from an actual person, who has loved ones and that we have no way of really knowing where they've been. what if the human flesh was grown in a lab instead? no person needs to be butchered for it and the professionals have a much easier time determining quality because they know where it's been, so would clone flesh be acceptable?
yes, I see. very well thought out, well done. I definitely see where you're going here. but if you could, say, GIVE AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT TO WHY IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL INSTEAD OF JUST STATING THAT IT SHOULD BE, that would be very much appreciated. seriously people! if you don't explain why something is bad, then the only people who are going to be convinced by saying that it is are 5-year-olds and people who already believed it was bad anyways.
Peacockastan gave a near perfect example of what I am looking for in terms of debate. Unike gave a perfect example of what I want you all to AVOID in this debate. with that in mind, can we have an actual, well thought out debate about cannibalism?
Peacockastan
Causing harm to another human being should be punished, not enshrined into law. How would a society that eats human meat even make it wildly available? By breading people specifically for consumption? Fattening them so that the quality of their meat, not their health is of the highest priority? Who exactly are you willing to kill to legalize cannibalism? Criminals? The jobless? The disabled?
Human beings have a special responsibility to each other that we don't have to other animals. Unlike other animals, we think towards our own futures, we ponder about our lives and our existence in it. The idea of growing any human being like a farm animal for slaughter is beyond unethical.
As for lab-grown human meat, while it's true no one's getting hurt by it, that doesn't mean it's not unethical. Such a practice would be an affront to the value of human life. In a society in which the practice of eating other people, even without them dying, is widespread, what would their regard be for other human lives? Society can't function if the basic notion of caring for others just because they're human is eroded away.
The American Imperialists, Mythel, Legoa
Is it too much for you to understand that cannibalism is a disgusting affront for almost all of human culture and that nobody wants it legalized? It's such a fringe topic to ask people to debate about. Nobody cares that it's illegal.
Post by Peacockastan suppressed by Buryasia.
Hmm, well after looking through this I don't really see a reason why lab grown human meat would be illegal so I'm gonna have to say that it's fine to do that... However the meat will most likely be very expensive due to the fact that it was researched and grown in a lab which would cost money for the maker which would be repaid for by the consumer, and also as I said before it probably won't taste very good. From a moral standpoint I don't really see anything wrong with human meat being grown in a lab... unless anyone else wants to point something out that will change my mind??
Mythel
I get what you're trying to say but I would like to point something out, they aren't cloning human life, just simply the meat. So I don't think that that would really decrease the value of human life. If you think otherwise then feel free to explain why.
Mythel
your argument is the purest form of what one should do in a debate. thank you for showing us all how it's done. now to examine your argument so that I may learn from it, I will only look at the clone meat half since I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you on the farming part.
I would like you to better explain how eating clone meat would be an affront to human life. just so we are clear, when I say lab grown I mean the scientists just grow a slab of meat that happens to be made of cloned human cells. the closest I can think of for how human life would be made less valuable would be if we considered lab grown meatslabs to be people, which makes no sense to me. a person's mind is in their brains, a meatslab would have never had a mind or brain. a person would be able to debate, play games, imagine, create, draw, ect., where the meatslab wouldn't even be able to think. a person is one of a kind even if they have an identical twin, but if you have the tech and the resources a lone slab is but a single drop in the sea of meat. where you can say a person is alive or dead, a meatslab is only either fresh or expired. the differences are simply too great for me to think that a slab made of labgrown human meat is itself human, because it was never at any point in its existence met any of the criteria.
true, even without laws prohibiting cannibalism the free market itself would probably keep human flesh from ever being in the open due to there simply not being enough of the target demographic to justify any sort of advertisement. with that in mind, one would have to wonder if there would even be a difference if lab-grown cannibalism was legalized.
maybe it wouldn't be if you actually explained why.
allow me to tell the story of how we got this far. first, I got an issue for my own nation asking about this and wanted some input on what choice to make. then I was a bit upset that I only got statements without anyone explaining why it should be this or that, so I voiced my complaint. then people started to actually explain their positions, and hopefully started to rethink their positions to double check if said positions make sense. now we are at a point where the discussion does seem to be strangely interested in discussing the morality of cannibalism.
if you don't allow something to be debated and instead just have it so everyone is in complete agreement that something is bad, then they start to forget why it is bad, instead just parroting what the people around them and before them are saying without actually considering if it is actually still bad. debate keeps our minds sharp, keeps us learning. debates about even the most taboo topics are required in order to make sure what you believe is based on logic and reality instead of just being an echo of the chorus. so, is cannibalism inherently immoral as we'd like to think it is? we have pretty good arguments from either side at our fingertips now, feel free to read through the discussion and decide for yourself.
Peacockastan
Would eating lab grown meat even be cannibalism? Cannibalism is when you eat another person, but lab grown meat is not really another person.
Mythel
I'm going to say technically yes, in that if cannibalism is eating meat of the same species then technically the lab grown meat would still be human flesh.
The one thing that sets humans apart from other animals is the presence of their soul, which, logically speaking, wouldnt be present inside a lab grown human. So Im not too sure about that. What makes humans, well, human is their soul. If you eat a lab grown, soulless, human, are they really even truly human?
Hey guys. Sorry to interrupt this awesome debate going on but what are we doing for zday?
Peacockastan
Yeah I've been asking myself the same question
Buryasia
Staying alive.
Atkemri, The American Imperialists, Karbachav, Peacockastan
Things that you buy, sell, and eat are less valuable than things we celebrate birthdays for, or send to school, or love and converse with, wouldn't you agree?
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