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Region: Lands End
Sorry sir, won't happen again.
Confederation Of Tesdai, Bonnie Blue Republic
It seems that the evils of communism have been removed from our great region. Three cheers for Capitalism?
Milinaria, Isollis
Um... what?
What?!
The Roman Republic was a republic, i.e. representative democracy. They abandoned the democracy in order to make an empire in which the Caesars ruled.
So I repeat, um... what?
Confederation Of Tesdai, Bonnie Blue Republic, Isollis
Please remember to endorse your Board of Directors! Especially the CEO and the CRO. And the others.
No mention of the WA Delegate? Who literally gives the region power based solely off of enodrsements. What I'm saying is, if you haven't you should endorse the WA Delegate as they give more power to the region the more endorsements they have.
Yes, give TESDAI your enodrsements, and give the other ROs some endorsements
The Delegate isnt a BoD, its seperate. Still in the gov't but not a BoD .
Post self-deleted by Milinaria.
A republic isn't a representative democracy, it doesn't automatically just become one anyway. The Caesars came to power through democracy. A republic is the rule of law and order. A democracy is the rule of the majority.
The WA Delegate is on the Board of Directors. Read the "Corporate" Dispatch.
Unike, New Slovakastan
republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch
A republic is literally just a shortened word for representative democracy
Unike, Bonnie Blue Republic
[quote=geico_gecko;25533017]republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch
Merriam Webster's definition, because the Google definition is not reliable:
a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
Ok, please preview before posting.
Secondly, you just said the same thing twice.
Milinaria
The first one was Geicko Gecko's, and apologies.
Finally thats over capitalism for life
Milinaria, Confederation Of Tesdai, Nosotalio
Hello!
A dark shadow looms over the land... Rumors, whispers in the wind.
They speak of Assassins and the coming of The Second Arc.
Assassins.... Where everyone is marked for death... Those who witnessed the first round, saw the murders of eight of it's players.
It seems the dark forces in charge feel the time has come for more death, more blood to be spilt.
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Signups for a new round of Assassins, "The Second Arc", are now open.
The Rules are here: nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=799021
There has been some fine tuning to the rules since last time. Notably, #serious is disallowed for assassinations, along with government channels. (Discord)
This is a game that is best enjoyed on our regional discord, if you are not already on it, I suggest you join ( conchkingdom.org/discord ). Anyone who has played this game before will vouch for how fun it is. The game will likely start sometime tomorrow, if not, then the day after.
Bonnie Blue Republic, Nosotalio
[quote=milinaria;25534823][quote=geico_gecko;25533017]republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch
Merriam Webster's definition, because the Google definition is not reliable:
a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law[/quote]
The only thing I have to say about this is what TES already said
[quote=confederation_of_tesdai;25534997]Ok, please preview before posting.
Secondly, you just said the same thing twice.[/quote]
These definitions state pretty much the same thing. And what makes Merriam Webster any better of a dictionary than google. Both are just written by people, and as we already said they have relatively the same definition.
To refute a point you made earlier which I forgot to refute, the Caesars were not elected democratically. Julius Caesar, the first of the line, was elected democratically as dictator of Rome during a time of war, but he refused to step down, thus keeping all the power and giving none to the people. This action ended the republic for the duration of Julius Caesar's life. The leaders after Julius Caesar were not elected by any form of democracy.
What I am refuting: [quote=milinaria;25532823]A republic isn't a representative democracy, it doesn't automatically just become one anyway. The Caesars came to power through democracy. A republic is the rule of law and order. A democracy is the rule of the majority.[/quote]
I'm back! An- oh.. Another argument has broken out.
Fair point. What makes Merriam Webster better than Google is that it's not biased. When defining Fascism, Google defines it as a right-wing ideology. Fascism is neither left nor right wing. Merriam Webster defines it as a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
This is why Merriam Webster is better than biased Google.
Post self-deleted by Geico Gecko.
Apologies, I can't spell
Sorry, but you are wrong. Fascism is definitely a right-wing ideology according to a traditional left-right political spectrum. I dare you to try to say fascism is not authoritarian or hierarchical.
Isollis
Fascism goes ways, its not primarily right wing. I dare you to try and tell me that the Nazis werent socialists.
I actually know very little about the nazi policies so I will not even attempt. But fascism, by your own definition "Merriam Webster defines it as a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." is both authoritarian and hierarchical. Meaning it is right-wing.
"exalts nation and often race above the individual" "headed by a dictatorial leader" "forcible suppression of opposition"
The NSDAP, back during WWII were a leftist leaning fascist government, taking keen interest in the lives of its citizens by making sure they worked for the government, and placed the German people as the superior race. I'm not saying there can't be a right wing fascist government. Also no, it does not mean it's right-wing. It goes BOTH ways.
Ok, I see this conversation is going nowhere. Did you even look at the picture I sent you? Also, is anybody else on that can come into this conversation cause this back and forth wont convince him.
Now on to refuting what you just said. Again, I know very little about the nazi policies, but from an outside perspective, it looks very authoritarian, and placing anybody above somebody else is the very definition of hierarchy. Now a point that was brought up to me by august recently, to which scale are you defining left and right?
I'd like to point out that although I don't think the governent was so much socialist, I believe fascism can undoubtedly be left wing as well, this is because left wing is another expression of the views of liberals which define as peopke who move from traditional ways to that of a modern and Hitler was extremely liberal by not even turning away from traditional or conservative ways but squandering what was left of the traditional government.
So abandoning the traditional government makes you leftist?
I like this discussion.
Lol do you even know what left wing means? To be left wing or liberal it means your open to new behavior or opinions and more willing to discard traditional ways. That sums up Germany during Hitler's time to me lol. Hitler liberated the people and fascist or not it was left wing.
Post self-deleted by Geico Gecko.
Also working off of that, it's important to remember that it's impossible to state that fascist is right wing due to you can believe in fascist rule and still have an extremely liberal stance on other things, not one person is 100% right or left wing on all topics.
Ok, one thing that could be confusing this discussion is which left-right are we using? Are we going by social or economic left-right? This should be decided pretty quickly because I have been using a social left-right scale this entire time. I would say fascism is definitely a socially-right economically-neutral/leans right ideology. It can fall under both sides of the economic scale, but tends to land right of it. Nazism would be an example of where it was left of the economic scale.
A point given to me by Helaw is while nazi germany may have been the poster child for fascism, they are not the definition of it. One exception does not refute an entire ideology, but if we are to continue to use Nazi Germany as the basis of our argument, then again see above.
The only way to end this argument will be to decide which scale we are using. If we are going to be using both scales, then fascism is economically neutral and socially right meaning it is right-wing.
So to refute this would saying screw the current government we should abolish it and live in anarchy be leftist?
By the same logic, would saying screw freedom government should control everything also be leftist?
Both are new behavior and opinions. Both discard traditional ways. Both are exactly opposite, meaning they cannot both be left-wing.
Also, "liberated the people" through control and oppression and killing many of them
Isollis, Cudistan
Post self-deleted by Cudistan.
Lmao he didn't half of that until he was in his kater years, The peopke of Germany loved Hitler and believed all of his ideology, he was extremely charismatic and people thought he was destined to lead them to the top no matter how it happened
You need to understand that I'm not stating your wrong, I'm just trying to help you evaluate the fact that there is possibility in this and no matter how much you say that's just the fact, I can be conservative and still believe in gay marriage, you v an be liberal and still believe in the 2nd amendment, Hitler can be liberal and still have led a fascist governent.
We are talking about the person, it doesn't matter when in his life he did the thing, just that he did it.
This is not true at all. That "different axis" is a different scale. One is economic left-right and the other is social left-right. They are both still left wing and right wing. To be true left, you are both economic and social leftist, to be true right, you are both economic and social right. To be neutral, you can fall anywhere from economic left-social right to economic right-social left, but you will usually be leaning one way or the other.
The scale I'm used to is the 'political compass' which encompasses both apologies
[spoiler=definition]"Far-right politics often involve a focus on tradition, real or imagined, as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. Many far-right ideologies have a disregard or a disdain for egalitarianism, even if they do not always express overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.
The term is also used to describe ideologies including Nazism,[5] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views,[6] which can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[7] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[8]"[/spoiler]
Here is a definition of what far-right is. Now to take away some ammo before you can use it, yes this is from wikipedia. Yes that has been proven to be unreliable in the past. But I guarantee, just like with the "biased" google definition, that if you find another definition somewhere, that we all can agree is not biased, it will say the same or similar. The parts that should be noted are "extreme nationalist" and the words "most forms"
other definitions for left vs right (socially which I have said before we need to decide which we are using) say left is "party of movement" while right is "party of order" Fascism as defined by Merriam-Webster (which you already said is a better source) "Merriam Webster defines it as a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
Definitely oppression, definitely nationalist, definitely right-wing by the definition of social right-wing given above.
Nosotalio
If you're going to have a discussion on the RMB a) do not double post and b) don't use terms like "lmao" or "lol." It kind of makes you look arrogant. Also if you double post one more time I promise I won't let it go. I've warned you way too many times.
Mercantana, Geico Gecko, Confederation Of Tesdai
In other news, I have to go. I cannot sit in front of my computer debating with you guys all day long no matter how much I want to. I will be back later tonight or tomorrow should you wish to continue this conversation.
Mercantana
I missed soo much here (on the RMB)
Confederation Of Tesdai
I think we should!d agree that fascism is economically neutral, and socially neutral because it can go either way.
Isollis
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree!
Isollis
Are we going to be fascist now?
Confederation Of Tesdai, Impersia
Also, [nation=short]milinaria[/nation], did you actually leave because of this debate?
Heck no. The communism thing was a joke, and most of the people too stupid to pick up on it have already left. We are back to our natural capitalist state, which is about as far from fascism as it is from communism.Hydruis, Geico Gecko, Isollis
[Yeah, good luck getting anyone to agree that fascism is centrist. Utterly absurd.I take that back. Sigh.
Also,did you actually leave because of this debate?
Heck no. The communism thing was a joke, and most of the people too stupid to pick up on it have already left. We are back to our natural capitalist state, which is about as far from fascism as it is from communism.
Good.
Isollis
Did you hit the "Quote" button or?
I hit the quote button
We at Isollis unfortunately missed the rebellion, and regretfully so: It would've been a great time to boost sales of military equipment. We, of course, would only sell to the capitalist loyalists, as we would certainly never think of betraying our allies for profit. That would be completely in-Isollian.
Sorry I wasn't here for the Fascism argument.
Though I am not the CLO, I am going to be setting some standards for the RMB right now that I think most members can agree on.
1. Absolutely no double posting.
2. Please do not use heavy slang, "text-terms," or swear words.
3. Preview your posts to make sure you have not messed up on any formatting or made a typo.
4. Use proper grammar (this includes capitalization and punctuation).
Hydruis, Unike, Cudistan, Prosparian
Who's up for debate?
Prosparian
I disagree with your 2. What is wrong with "text-terms"? Lol and LMAO, used in the debate earlier, were only inappropriate because it was a serious debate. That is not the tone of the RMB all the time.
I also disagree you 4. grammar NOT ImpOrtanT.
On a more serious note, other than that one section of number 2 and the capitalization part of number 4, I completely agree, but capitalizing your first word or not accidentally capitalizing something else, forgetting a comma somewhere, these are not important enough to be punishable. Maybe just a note, please try to use proper grammar, rather than absolutely "Use proper grammar"
I believe nothing anymore.
Well if there is no debatable topic, then can you give me hints on what are the topics that are being discussed in the World Assembly?
Could you not just join the World Assembly and see for yourself? We only have about 40 nations out of 193 in the WA. That's only 20% of the entire region. If you're a puppet (or sharing the same wifi with someone else in NS) then never mind.
How is it bias? Gecko stated it was only inappropriate to use "lol" or "lmao" in a serious debate. If you and say TESDAI started chatting about sports on here it would be appropriate to use "lol" or "lmao".
Well I guess its all for me now. First and foremost I didn't know much more about the world assembly. Second and last we have our own wifi connection. Well thank you with that comment of yours.... I'm just hoping that I made the right choice in joining this region...
You made a great choice coming here. Let me fill you in about the World Assembly. The World Assembly is basically the United Nations. Proposals can be made via nations and they are voted on by Delegates. If it passes that phase that all WA Members then vote on it. I apologize if my comment came off as harsh, it was not intended to be.
Leh re'eht!
(Hello there) :)
New Slovakastan
Nice flag
Basically what this says
I think you need to look up the term bias [nation=short]hashbrowndown[/nation]. And as I said in the post you quoted, it has to do with the tone of the conversation. In a serious debate, phrases like that make it seem arrogant or like you are laughing down on your opponents argument. In a less serious conversation, it might be perfectly normal to laugh. Also, we never said you couldn't use them. We merely gave you reasons not to. When Noso called you out on it, double posting has been against the rules from the start and you have received many warnings, but the don't use lol or lmao was a suggestion. One that came from an official so it should be taken quite seriously. TES is currently saying that they shouldn't be used at all, which I disagree with.
Sup dude.
Lol you guys are fiesty, first of all, no reason to be so attacking, secondly I'm not saying that it was bias, I'm saying i agree with Tes in this case because if he let's it be permissible by the situation then certain people can get away with it more then others. If he likes you more then it might be less caution to when you say it then me, no harm done big guy
First of all, nobody has been attacking anything. Second, you definitely said it was biased.
See there^.
Third, it just has to do with a certain common sense factor that should be expected of people residing within the region. You should know when things are appropriate and when they aren't. Non-serious tones or phrases are not appropriate in serious discussions. Serious tones and phrases are not appropriate in non-serious discussions. The former makes you seem arrogant, immature, or just not serious about what you are saying, and the latter makes you a killjoy or the butt of many a joke.
As I said, nobody is attacking anything. If that is how this is coming across, then I sincerely apologize. I am just trying to explain what I am trying to say.
Hydruis, Capitalist Piggys, New Slovakastan
An automated sniper bot activates from the bushes and lands a sniper's bullet directly into your skull.
Sadly, this kill is a failure. From the rules, "Puppet accounts may not be targeted.", as he is playing with his account MomoCarlile. In addition, "Posts that pre-date the beginning of the current day may not be targeted for killing players"
Better luck next time.
Geico Gecko
Thank you with that very informative message. I'm sorry also for being so rude on my reply message. This can be like this especially in times of tenssions but nevertheless, your message, i found it informative
I wish we could have more conversation and talks about our region and the system here in NationSates.
New Slovakastan
Feel free to join the discord then!
Reply to this post and a few more.
Sorry I didn't make it clear, but I was setting standards not laws in my previous post. Also, I can agree Momo, text terms such as "lmao" and "lol" are perfectly fine in casual conversations.
Anyway, here's a funny: I just about lit into New Slovakastan because I thought the 2 posts above me was him quadruple posting. Lol (<- proper use of a lol)
Geico Gecko
Freedomness!
New Slovakastan
Have you considered purchasing premium account time?
What?
Wargaming Llc
Inside joke.
Does it have anything to do with AA Gold Membership?
Wargaming.net
stuff like wot or wows
No.
World of Warcraft was not made by Wargaming...
world of warships
Wargaming Llc
hello my capitalist friends
Woops, went Right-Wing Utopia. That's what happens when you give the people democracy folks.
Confederation Of Tesdai, Grennick Gold
I have, how much for 568 days?
Regarding the current WA General Assembly proposal
I say vote AGAINST
For the same reasons as last time excluding the things about health care.
shield shield for tes
Confederation Of Tesdai, Bonnie Blue Republic
Hey, you all play World of Warships and World of Tanks as well? I play with my dad and my uncle.
Confederation Of Tesdai
I have it downloaded, but never play it. I don't really enjoy the game too much but I'm pretty sure a good many people here play it as it is a pretty popular game.
Also, congratulations to Momo on his win in our game of Assassins, I suggest you all join the Discord and join in for the next game.
Geico Gecko
Hey all, I'm returning. Apologies for not giving a heads up, I thought I would start my own region.
Uh-oh. Okay SOS guys. I've fallen from Capitalist Paradise to Moralistic Democracy (took a few hops along the way).
Impersia
I will play Assassins again.
Of the stories I've heard, most regions made by previous AA members either fail or get taken over. August holds grudges, fair warning.
I know what you mean, I hop into Inoffensive Centrist Democracy every once and a while.
Greposy
Congratulations to Delegate TESDAI tieing the previous record of 62 days.
Unike, Confederation Of Tesdai, Impersia, Capitalist Piggys, Isollis, Grennick Gold
I look forward to it
this can suck, but it gets better
BOOOO
In all seriousness though, GJ TES
Hydruis, Isollis, Greposy
Thanks guys.
Isollis
Ugh, good job you didn't leave yet.
Just kiddin', good work Tes.
Unike, Geico Gecko, Confederation Of Tesdai, Capitalist Piggys, Isollis
This is to everyone that is a Shareholder. So far the only bylaw proposals I've gotten were all from the board. I cannot stress out enough that we need a lot more proposals. It would be nice to have a couple proposals once we do have an official way to propose bylaws. This region will not be that devolped if we have no bylaws. If the board members are the only people who proposes bylaws, that puts way too much power to the board. However, that is the way it's looking right now. Remember this region is yours, so it's up to you all.
-CLO
Hydruis, Isollis
Pleased with the speedy round and bloody results of The Second Arc, those behind the scenes have been pleased enough to announce a Third Arc...
Blood will soon run upon the land once again, as nine assassins have already signed up....
The Third Arc will begin in two days. Contact [nation=tulov] to sign up or for questions.
For those that don't know, Momo is saying a new game of Assassins is starting up and that you need to contact Tulov if you want to join.
Geico Gecko, Isollis
Just a quick drive-by in order to toss a few pies at your corporate HQ.
Muahaha!
Nosotalio
So who's cleaning this up?
Not it.
Nosotalio, Capitalist Piggys, Isollis
not it
Nose Goes! *covers nose*
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