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Region: Lands End
National Sovereignty. (The right of a nation to do what they please, basically.)
Buryasia, The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg, Legoa, Cairacos, Vistryara, Shurparaka
So this is Lands end? I knew the earth was flat!!
/s
Buryasia, Big Black Ants, Peacockastan, Vistryara, Iwagoto, Beyo, Free Republic Of Verdania, Shurparaka, Quesotopith
Careful, before we know it there'll be a World Assembly measure ordering member nations to believe that the Earth is round
Vistryara, Beyo, Shurparaka
Ha!
Hello.
South-Central Rhodesia, The Americanempire
Hello there! Loving the name.
"ORDERS all member nations to impose exactly the same sanctions or punishments on all organisations which deny any right, power, permission or service to an individual based on their sexuality or gender, as the sanctions or punishments imposed on organisations discriminating on the basis of other arbitrary, reductive criteria (such as, but not limited to, ethnicity, age and religion)."
This would be the main part of why I'm against it.
Cairacos
"ORDERS all member nations to impose exactly the same sanctions or punishments on all organisations..."
This part to be more specific. Forcing nations to impose sanctions is a heavy violation of sovereignty in my eyes.
(I also just noticed that they spelled organizations wrong...)
The Americanempire, Cairacos
Peacockastan, Cairacos
Beyond all of the arguments about what "basic human rights" means, e.g., is government-provided healthcare for everybody, compensation from the government if you're "unwilling" to work; my problem is that it's telling me how to run my country. It's my country, not yours.
Have you seen my nation's human rights record? Look at my national policies: "autocracy, theocracy, state press, heterosexuality" (ignore the contradiction that arises now that the WA resolution passed). It's not your, or the World Assembly's, or anyone's place to tell me what to do.
EDIT: apologies if this came across snippy. I just got off a very early flight and I'm still waking up.
Peacockastan
They didn't. Depending on where you live both Organization and Organisation are acceptable.
Just remembered briefly that this game exists, see you guys next year!
Buryasia
No, basic human rights are things like freedom of speech, religion, due process, the right to privacy (I'm gonna assume yall know what I mean there), freedom of the press, right to bear arms, along with many other things. Those, in my opinion are basic human rights that must be provided to everyone, theocratic states are ridiculous because they allow church and state to be connected which leads to a ton of corruption. But after all this is a game, but I play it based on my true political views. If you are running yours that way, I heavily disagree with your views, but that's ok (assuming you believe those things irl), cause peoples rights are protected where I'm from. Along with Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit of Happiness.
Free Republic Of Verdania
Oh, I hadn't realized that Organization was one of those "We spell it differently" words, lol.
Cairacos
Not to disagree here with the basic rights listed as I do believe in them. I just want to point out it is not the job of other governments or governing bodies like the WA to force peoples governments to protect their citizens under something like a constitution which you are referencing. Not every country is supposed to share those same American values you are talking about. I think it's tough to judge mandates on other governments because the cause of human rights sometimes has to break that barrier of national sovereignty
Buryasia, Free Southern Republics, The Americanempire, Cairacos, Shurparaka
I know NatSov isn't a valid reason for repeal, but maybe we could write a resolution that just amends this one to not dictate punishment on member nations. Would that break the rules?
Post self-deleted by Yawehs Chosen Peoples.
Amending something isn't against the rules as long as the resolution is repealed before it is amended. If you are interested in writing more repeals and stuff, then I would recommend you head over to the discord where you can get involved with the Augustin Alliance Defense Office.
Buryasia, Yawehs Chosen Peoples, The Americanempire, Cairacos
In conclusion I do believe all people should be given these basic rights. Yet I also believe that civil issues like that are up to individual nations, however i believe there should be some pressure put on those nations to grant their citizens basic human rights.
Peacockastan, Free Republic Of Verdania
Yes I do think the rights listed should be given to all people, but some might say that pressuring other countries to comply with your "universal" rights when that nation does not see fit to implement them. And by pressuring that nation you are infringing upon the sovereignty. In my opinion all the rights you listed were universal and if this or my other post seem anti-freedom of speech I'm sorry it's not trying to be, but this is a double-edged sword one side being the freedom of speech and other rights and the other being NatSov and rights internationally.
Peacockastan, The Americanempire, Cairacos
That's great!!
Iwagoto, Free Republic Of Verdania
Yes, but I don't think WA mandates are an effective way to pressure member nations. Economic blocs with sanctions might be better. And "soft diplomacy" such as art spreads ideals. But a theocracy isn't going to become a civil rights love fest because the WA says so. It will either ignore the mandate or quit the WA if they overstep. In short, you change minds by actually communicating and changing minds, not by mandating others adopt your beliefs that they don't actually share. Even if you're right and they're wrong, you have to convince them.
Yawehs Chosen Peoples
I mean I dont see why not I would think that if a country eliminates the freedom of speech its probably a dictatorship and wont tell you why
The Americanempire, Cairacos
Hello I just joined
Deadly Night Shade, Buryasia, South-Central Rhodesia, Beyo
Welcome!
Cairacos, Syncretic Union
Great to have you with us! :)
Peacockastan, Syncretic Union
I would agree to that since my nation is a dictatorship.
The Americanempire
Welcome to the best region in the Nation State Galaxy
Bluximburg
Yes
Just seen the worryingly large amount of repeals for the recently passed GA resolution......
Post self-deleted by Alexander.
Welcome! Have fun. :D
Syncretic Union
An explanation would be a good thing to call for if the nation in question has taken away their citizens rights. I'm just saying that there are other ways to diplomatically go about calling for one without going beyond the borders of National Sovereignty. Also, I want to point out pressuring a country to believe the same things you do is a radicalistic idea in the wrong context.
Cairacos
Im new to the game. How do you get attacked by people? I got a telegram from a player telling me he will attack me.
Deadly Night Shade, Buryasia, Adamgama
NS does not include functions for war or trade, however, there are ways around that. The person telegramming you is either new to the game or is trying to RP war. Now just because the game doesn't include war functions, doesn't mean that you should be limited by this. There is a way to "raid" regions in this game. If you are interested in military gameplay, then Go to the following dispatch and then follow the directions for the application process.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=967591
This is the AA's military called the Joint Task Force.
If you are interested in RP, then head over to the discord.
It's nice to see new people in here, welcome to the region! If you have any more questions, don't be afraid to ask.
EDIT: Here's a thorough guide to military gameplay that was written by our founder: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=968148
Deadly Night Shade, Buryasia, Bluximburg, Cairacos
All I'm saying is that it is not the place of any nation to impose force on another nation in regards to wanting to change the way their government is set up. International force or in this case "pressuring a country into granting something to its citizens" is used when their are violations of specific instances or injustices the definition for those injustices could be rights or any other treaty, document, or piece of international law signed, but pressuring someone else based upon privileges your country enjoys is not the way to go about it. You may give the example of the U.S. and North Korea as an example of disproving this statement, but this is the same thing I'm talking about because in this situation international militaristic threats are involved and proven instances of major mistreatment of its citizens have been shown.
Now was I saying that rights of the citizens weren't violated in North Korea ? No I was not, but more importantly I was saying that the lives and communities of North Koreans are under threat by their own government. Yes basic rights should be upheld by All Nations but other issues like lives of civilians and militant mobilization are a larger foreign policy issue than freedoms and privilege people have in other countries.
Free Republic Of Verdania
I hope yall are having a nice valentines day. Don't forget to send roses!
Deadly Night Shade, Peacockastan
Ah I guess that's cool
How does trading cards work? And how to use cards?
Adamgama, Shurparaka
Anyways, what the discord for the region?
Read the following:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/2018/03/31/index.html
https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/2018/04/19/index.html
https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/2018/12/21/index.html
They're just a nice gimmick. Sending roses om valentines day, sending other players cards of enemy nations as part of RP,...
If you didn't already read all the stuff: Sometimes when you do an issue, you get five. You can junk or sell them. I always try to sell until I need space. You can buy more space.
Boltzmannica
Here is the invite link: https://discord.gg/rNY5vcJ
Cairacos
My views definitely aren't how I'm running this country. I have another one that I'm trying to get to as libertarian a position as I can; this one, I'm trying to get as capitalist-totalitarian as I can.
Sorry y'all, if I'm reopening a discussion that had reached a good resolution.
Yawehs Chosen Peoples, Peacockastan, The Americanempire, Iwagoto
The Free Land of The Sheepdog is a nation based on the rights of the people. While brand new I am hoping to learn and grow as quickly as possible.
Buryasia, Legoa, Peacockastan, Free Southern Republics, The Americanempire, Vistryara, Free Republic Of Verdania
Welcome to Nation States. We wish you good luck.
Legoa, Peacockastan, The Sheepdog
Peacockastan, The Sheepdog
I just received a telegram from the Rebublic of Unification and Liberty along with several of its allies instructing me to quit growing, join their alliance, or I will face military, economic, and social repercussions. Any suggestions?
The Democracy Of Red Star
The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg, Peacockastan, The Americanempire
Tell them that Lands Ends Regional Affairs Officer says that well sanction them if they even dare and if they continue.
The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg, Legoa, The Americanempire, The Sheepdog
Post self-deleted by Iwagoto.
Lands Enders always looks after each other, just remember that.
Bluximburg, Free Southern Republics, The Americanempire, Iwagoto
After relaying the message I was informed that they would gather their top tier allies and have myself and all Land Enders removed and banned from the world assembly.
Wait. Inform them we wont condone any bullying of our members and that is final. Also inform them that I will supply you with all resources if needed. Grater TovakiaBluximburg Buryasia We are maybe going to need to do something.
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Hopefully not. I have engaged diplomatic talks with the Republic of Unification and Liberty which are progressing well. The Vatican Holyness which is Inification and libertys ally attempted to use the diplomatic talks to bully my nation into purposely stunting my nations economy. I informed the Vatican Holyness of the sanctions, which was relayed to their allies as a threat to them all. I have since explained this to Unification and liberty who has issued a formal apology to my nation. War has been averted for now.
This sounds absurd. The Sheepdog, I would like to receive screenshots of all correspondence in order to verify your account. Thank you.
Buryasia
How do I send them?
Greetings. The Empire of 0Valhalla is a nation devoted to economic and military strength. However, Our leader is new and inexperienced in making decisions that mirror this devotion. Advice, teaching, coaching would be welcome.
Thank you.
Sincerially,
0Valhalla
Buryasia, The Sheepdog
Welcome and may your nation prosper
Thank you
Post self-deleted by The Sheepdog.
I just did an issue and it brought my Economy down, how do i know how an issue is going to affect me?
http://tinypic.com/r/i73gn5/9
The Holy Empire of Vatican Holyness
2 minutes ago
Decrease your economy or face repercussions from my country.
Telegram i just received
http://tinypic.com/r/2lcmo05/9
http://tinypic.com/r/2evvvad/9
http://tinypic.com/r/b8temw/9
[quote=0valhalla;34445808]The Holy Empire of Vatican Holyness
2 minutes ago
Decrease your economy or face repercussions from my country.
I am currently dealing with them as well. Their allies do not support this action
Do you know if they can actually do anything? And how do they know what we're doing?
http://tinypic.com/m/kak2ls/1
http://tinypic.com/m/kak2lt/1
http://tinypic.com/m/kak2lu/1
HTTP://tinypic.com/m/kak2lv/1
http://tinypic.com/m/kak2lw/1
Here's a link that might help you. It shows every possible result for every options.
http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/
All of these threats to invade you and stuff are clearly unrealistic and are threats that should not be taken seriously. Tell them to stop and if they start harassing you, you can either report them or just block them. There is no way in this game to damage any other individual nation in any way. The only way that they could harm us would be with a raid, and I can guarantee that there is no chance that a successful raid can be launched against any AA region. With the regional military (The Joint Task Force) and an active founder, there is no way that anyone will be harming us anytime soon.
Buryasia, Bluximburg, Legoa, Extinctionism, Yawehs Chosen Peoples, The Federation Of Spokane, Free Southern Republics, Cairacos, The Sheepdog
Tell him that I have declared a embargo on him
Again, there really isn't any need to take any action, as they pose no real threat to anyone here. Let's all calm down and just ignore these people, yeah?
Bluximburg, Cairacos
Yeah man, but He seems intent on attacking our new members
"Attack" is a harsh term. If this behavior persists and these people won't leave you alone then block them, and if they continue to contact anyone here after they've been blocked, report them to the moderators. Just remember that these people can't do anything to you.
Buryasia, Bluximburg, Legoa, Cairacos
Vatican Holyness is such a weak nation, who cares about his threats. Just ignore him, he is a troll. His region is not hostile to us nor do they seek to be as of this moment.
August, Buryasia, The Federation Of Spokane
Yes Sir.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Mercantana.
Oh so I pose no threat? I'm weak? No hostile nation? No military raid of the region? I guess you assumed that I was going to use my Europeia allies... no. They're not supporting this. Ignorance. If you actually interacted with your members then you'd know it would be members of the Black Hawks region and possibly a couple from another helping. Your kind is truly something.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Mercantana.
The foolishness.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Mercantana.
A troll? Your kind... something else.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Mercantana.
An embargo? From a nation like you? Please do. Try to condemn me with the WA too. Please. That gives Black Hawks, the most hated military region, to act. Go ahead.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Mercantana.
Block me. Tell a moderator. When I don't get my nation removed and nothing happens, don't be surprised. Having WA connections really is a bonus.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Mercantana.
Scary.
Whoops, tried to hit the Like button, but my finger missed.
Buryasia, Yawehs Chosen Peoples, Free Southern Republics, Deims Kir, Vistryara, Iwagoto, Free Republic Of Verdania
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by a moderator.
Post by Grater Tovakia suppressed by a moderator.
Too entertaining for a ban, methinks. I wonder what our friends over in CoL would think about someone using their embassy as a means of spamming other regions, though.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by a moderator.
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Buryasia.
Tell them. Please go ahead.
Board members, lets discuss this in the boardroom. I don't know that much about our relations with the Commonwealth of Liberty, and I would like to know more before I really comment. It seems that our allies should refrain from harassment on our RMB, and should show a modicum of respect.
Before we discuss it there, let me let this Vatican nation know personally that we will not tolerate harassment, nor double-posting for that matter, on our RMB. If there is a topic you would like to discuss, do it respectfully.
Adamgama
Post by Grater Tovakia suppressed by a moderator.
Buryasia
Post by Vatican Holyness suppressed by Mercantana.
Yeah discuss it.
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