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Hey all, kind of new to the game here! Was wondering if I could get a couple answers to some basic questions?

1 Is there anywhere you can go to see issue results if you are looking to raise or lower certain statistics?

2 What do the elected officials in our region really do? It kind of feels to me like no other nation can directly affect what goes on in your nation so I'm a little lost on that one haha!

3 Similar to the last question, what does the WA and actually do, and what are WA delegates?

I really appreciate any answers or directions to where I can find this information for myself, thanks!

The Cincinnatus Republic

Urbis Opes wrote:Hey all, kind of new to the game here! Was wondering if I could get a couple answers to some basic questions?

1 Is there anywhere you can go to see issue results if you are looking to raise or lower certain statistics?

2 What do the elected officials in our region really do? It kind of feels to me like no other nation can directly affect what goes on in your nation so I'm a little lost on that one haha!

3 Similar to the last question, what does the WA and actually do, and what are WA delegates?

I really appreciate any answers or directions to where I can find this information for myself, thanks!

1. After you answer an issue, you can scroll down to see what statistics were altered. Before you answer an issue, though, I don’t think there’s a way.

2. A region is at its core a place where nations can interact and communicate with eachother. While elected officials can not change laws for your nation directly or anything, the elected official’s main duty is to help bring the region as a whole to be a better place to communicate and interact with other nations. We do things like raise the number of nations in the region, provoke conversations, maintain relationships with other regions, and mandate laws to make sure everyone has a good time communicating with each other. I could go into way more detail of all the behind the scenes stuff, but that’s the gist of what we do.

3. The World Assembly is a role play United Nations where nations vote on resolutions that affect all World Assembly nation’s. These resolutions can affect members’ statistics. The World Assembly Delegate is the chosen representative of a region voted on via endorsements. Whoever has the most endorsements is the Delegate. The Delegate has as many votes in the World Assembly that is equal to the number of endorsements the Delegate has. The Delegate has the bulk of the a region’s votes. The Delegate also can approve of proposals for a resolution to help meet the quota required to send the proposal to the voters.

Clarkentrent

Lands End,

I have served you as VP-A, and now I ask you, to let The United Banking Association, to lead the Legal Office. We need a nation, willing to protect the rights of everyone in Lands End. I will work with other offices such as the Trade office, in order to help establish diplomacy with other regions, fight against unfair regulations, and make sure that Lands End suffers no unfair advantages!

Clarkentrent, Bluximburg, Modern Israel

Hi I'm new here and as you can tell by looking at nation I'm a Mexican Dictator and I want nonetheless more than to help my people and my region I belive that people should rights and do whatever they want bye an hope to know you all

The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Okla-Texas

Ciudad Del Paraiso wrote:Hi I'm new here and as you can tell by looking at nation I'm a Mexican Dictator and I want nonetheless more than to help my people and my region I belive that people should rights and do whatever they want bye an hope to know you all

I believe nonetheless was used incorrectly there, but welcome to the region!

Nosotalio, Clarkentrent

Just as a reminder, board elections will begin February 5th, and the CEO election will begin February 12th. If you have any questions about the positions, please go here.

Also if you want to run for any position, make sure to tell Torranta, so he can put you on the voting list!

If any other questions, just telegram me!

Atkemri, The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg, Calabaq

Ciudad Del Paraiso wrote:Hi I'm new here and as you can tell by looking at nation I'm a Mexican Dictator and I want nonetheless more than to help my people and my region I belive that people should rights and do whatever they want bye an hope to know you all

Welcome! Glad to have you here!

The United Banking Associaton

Ciudad Del Paraiso wrote:Hi I'm new here and as you can tell by looking at nation I'm a Mexican Dictator and I want nonetheless more than to help my people and my region I belive that people should rights and do whatever they want bye an hope to know you all

Welcome! I'm sure you'll be a great addition to LE!

The United Banking Associaton

Ciudad Del Paraiso wrote:Hi I'm new here and as you can tell by looking at nation I'm a Mexican Dictator and I want nonetheless more than to help my people and my region I belive that people should rights and do whatever they want bye an hope to know you all

Welcome! Although isn't a dictatorship opposite of anarchy?

Okla-Texas

Hello all, I have no idea what I'm doing, but this seems sorta fun. -Brump

Wenchdom, Some Random Lands, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives

The current list of nations running for office is:

COO: Clarkentrent

CRO: The Allied States Of Gondor

CLO: Bonnie Blue Republic and The United Banking Associaton

CTO: Bluximburg and Corbas

There is currently one nation running for CRO and only one nation running for COO. So, if anyone would like to run for any offices listed above, Telegram me. We especially need someone to run for CRO and COO. Someone else running for these would be nice, just to throw in some competition for the position (there’s been only one candidate for COO the last 2 elections). If you have any questions about any of the positions, feel free to ask me.

Also, you should also be thinking about running for CEO, since Noso is stepping down and the election for that position is right after this one.

The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg

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Lands End,

As CLO, I will be fighting for less unfair regulations, and for more diplomacy with other regions. I will also be fighting for maintaining every deed, that ensures prosperity, security and happiness for every nation in this beautiful region.

This is why I humbly ask for your vote. We need a nation that will take care of everyone's rights, and ensure that every nations concern, will be seen, revised and taken care of, by a strong Legal officer.

Thank you,

The United Banking Association

Modern Israel

The United Banking Associaton wrote:Lands End,

As CLO, I will be fighting for less unfair regulations, and for more diplomacy with other regions. I will also be fighting for maintaining every deed, that ensures prosperity, security and happiness for every nation in this beautiful region.

This is why I humbly ask for your vote. We need a nation that will take care of everyone's rights, and ensure that every nations concern, will be seen, revised and taken care of, by a strong Legal officer.

Thank you,

The United Banking Association

Can you specify? What sort of unfair regulations are you referencing and how do you intend to amend them? You mentioned maintaintaining nations’ rights, so what rights do you think all nations in the region are entitled to? What do you intend to change that will lead to more of the prosperity, security, and happiness that you advertised? Also, how does diplomacy relate to the Legal Office? What can you do that Bonnie Blue Republic can not do for our region? What makes you a better candidate than him?

In the future, I might suggest saying more than just the ideas you wish to pursue in your term, but rather explain what you will do specifically to pursue those ideas.

Update: The Allied States Of Gondor is now running for CRO. I updated the list I posted above earlier to accommodate this new entrant into the election so to see the full list scroll up.

Reminder: Only shareholders can vote, so campaigning on the rmb may not be as effective as TGs to individual shareholders. Also, become a shareholder today! (Yay, advertising!)

By the way, this is Lands Ends’s 4th election, in case anyone cares.

Clarkentrent

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Of course! It's great that you ask these sort of questions, so that the region knows, what I intend to do for the well being of everyone. As of right now, the incumbent Trade Officer, Bluximburg, and I, are working on the planification of establishing not only more diplomatic relations, but making sure that they are EFFECTIVE diplomatic relations. I'll be helping the trade office, to enforce our diplomacy, negotiations and every legality regarding the aspect of the negotiations. We'll keep you updated on that, since it's a great and very achievable plan.

On the domestic aspect of the Legal Office, I will be revising many aspects and deeds, and work with every office I can to help every nation succeed, such as I did, when I helped Torranta campaign for COO, back when it was a new region.

As you can see, I'm not basing my campaign out of baseless and unachievable promises. I've worked on these issues since long ago, and that's why I'm running for the Legal office.

Thank you

Bluximburg

The United Banking Associaton wrote:Of course! It's great that you ask these sort of questions, so that the region knows, what I intend to do for the well being of everyone. As of right now, the incumbent Trade Officer, Bluximburg, and I, are working on the planification of establishing not only more diplomatic relations, but making sure that they are EFFECTIVE diplomatic relations. I'll be helping the trade office, to enforce our diplomacy, negotiations and every legality regarding the aspect of the negotiations. We'll keep you updated on that, since it's a great and very achievable plan.

On the domestic aspect of the Legal Office, I will be revising many aspects and deeds, and work with every office I can to help every nation succeed, such as I did, when I helped Torranta campaign for COO, back when it was a new region.

As you can see, I'm not basing my campaign out of baseless and unachievable promises. I've worked on these issues since long ago, and that's why I'm running for the Legal office.

Thank you

The position of Ambassador was created specifically for helping the CTO with diplomacy. What can you do that Ambassadors can not? Also, this answer still seems a bit vague as far as doing what a CLO is supposed to do goes. It seems almost like you care more about helping the CTO than being the CLO. By the way, if I remember correctly, it was CTO you helped me run for, 2 elections ago.

Speaking of which, I would like to once again thank the United Banking Associaton for the help he provided me in my first campaign. I do not think I would have been CTO without his public support. And, if I had not been CTO, I would not have been able to serve you as COO, and then WA Delegate after that. Thank you. However, I do not see the application of publicly supporting a CTO campaign to the office of CLO.

The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg

No worries, that's what it's about, and that's what I'm willing to do with every Nation. I will be supporting everyone's goals, just as I did with yours. This is why I believe it is necessary, that I, as Chief Legal Officer, have the opportunity to revise certain domestic and foreign regulations, that may impede anyone from achieving dreams like you and I, have had.

This campaign, isn't about satisfying myself, and feeling great about my work. This is a campaign based on achieving everyone's goals, and working together to be much more effective. There will be instances, in which I will provide my help to the CTO, or even the CRO and COO. But there will also be times in which I will ask them for help and advice. Wouldn't that be much more effective?

Bluximburg

Hello fellow region members. I've recently became a member of Lands End myself and i couldn't be more happy to join this wonderful region. I hope to be of good service to this region and i wish to see our region prosper. If anyone is looking to delegate a job/task, I'm more than willing to help.

The United Banking Associaton, Modern Israel

Calabaq wrote:Hello fellow region members. I've recently became a member of Lands End myself and i couldn't be more happy to join this wonderful region. I hope to be of good service to this region and i wish to see our region prosper. If anyone is looking to delegate a job/task, I'm more than willing to help.

After this election the new COO will assign certain Senior Management positions, if you want to look into that. See this page or contact me for more information. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=874596

The United Banking Associaton wrote:No worries, that's what it's about, and that's what I'm willing to do with every Nation. I will be supporting everyone's goals, just as I did with yours. This is why I believe it is necessary, that I, as Chief Legal Officer, have the opportunity to revise certain domestic and foreign regulations, that may impede anyone from achieving dreams like you and I, have had.

This campaign, isn't about satisfying myself, and feeling great about my work. This is a campaign based on achieving everyone's goals, and working together to be much more effective. There will be instances, in which I will provide my help to the CTO, or even the CRO and COO. But there will also be times in which I will ask them for help and advice. Wouldn't that be much more effective?

You don’t need to be CLO to revise or amend certain regulations and laws. Any shareholder can propose a bylaw or suggest an amendment. You also don’t need to be an officer to offer help to other nations. Just ask what you can do to help, and I’m sure they won’t turn you away. Right now, the vibe I’m getting from your campaign is one that tells me that your intentions are misplaced. You want to be CLO, but for the wrong reasons. You mean well and want to help, but it doesn’t seem like being CLO is the best way to do that. I’m not attacking your campaign, I just think that what you have proposed so far as CLO does not require the position to achieve any of it. What you appear to have proposed thus far has seemed more appropriate for the position of CTO instead. Also, your previous posts seem to assume that Bluximburg will get re elected. Doesn’t it seem a little early to determine that?

Clarkentrent

Torranta wrote:After this election the new COO will assign certain Senior Management positions, if you want to look into that. See this page or contact me for more information. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=874596

You don’t need to be CLO to revise or amend certain regulations and laws. Any shareholder can propose a bylaw or suggest an amendment. You also don’t need to be an officer to offer help to other nations. Just ask what you can do to help, and I’m sure they won’t turn you away. Right now, the vibe I’m getting from your campaign is one that tells me that your intentions are misplaced. You want to be CLO, but for the wrong reasons. You mean well and want to help, but it doesn’t seem like being CLO is the best way to do that. I’m not attacking your campaign, I just think that what you have proposed so far as CLO does not require the position to achieve any of it. What you appear to have proposed thus far has seemed more appropriate for the position of CTO instead. Also, your previous posts seem to assume that Bluximburg will get re elected. Doesn’t it seem a little early to determine that?

As I've said many times before, as CLO, I will work with every office I can to ensure the well being of every nation. I'm not assuming that Bluximburg, will win the election, but I've been working with him, as he is the current and very smart CTO, on the planification of these solutions.

The position of CLO, can't be taken lightly. We need someone that will fight for every Nation and ensure their well being, and will fight for diplomacy across regions. It seems that Torranta is biased and doesn't favor diplomacy between all of the offices.

Lands End, I humbly ask for your vote, we need someone who will favor Nations, and hear every concern you have.

Thank you

The United Banking Associaton wrote:No worries, that's what it's about, and that's what I'm willing to do with every Nation. I will be supporting everyone's goals, just as I did with yours. This is why I believe it is necessary, that I, as Chief Legal Officer, have the opportunity to revise certain domestic and foreign regulations, that may impede anyone from achieving dreams like you and I, have had.

This campaign, isn't about satisfying myself, and feeling great about my work. This is a campaign based on achieving everyone's goals, and working together to be much more effective. There will be instances, in which I will provide my help to the CTO, or even the CRO and COO. But there will also be times in which I will ask them for help and advice. Wouldn't that be much more effective?

Speaking as the current CLO, I would like you to please tell me exactly what dreams you may have had that were denied you because of our current legislation.

I would also like to remind everybody that proposing bylaws is an option available to all. Have an idea? Throw it my way.

The United Banking Associaton wrote:As I've said many times before, as CLO, I will work with every office I can to ensure the well being of every nation. I'm not assuming that Bluximburg, will win the election, but I've been working with him, as he is the current and very smart CTO, on the planification of these solutions.

The position of CLO, can't be taken lightly. We need someone that will fight for every Nation and ensure their well being, and will fight for diplomacy across regions. It seems that Torranta is biased and doesn't favor diplomacy between all of the offices.

Lands End, I humbly ask for your vote, we need someone who will favor Nations, and hear every concern you have.

Thank you

Have you anything to backup these accusations against Torranta?

Furthermore, what do you think the position of CLO actually does?

The CLO has no formal power in foreign relations.

Sure, they have a board vote... but such things are usually the perogative of the CTO and never come to vote.

Clarkentrent

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:Speaking as the current CLO, I would like you to please tell me exactly what dreams you may have had that were denied you because of our current legislation.

I would also like to remind everybody that proposing bylaws is an option available to all. Have an idea? Throw it my way.Have you anything to backup these accusations against Torranta?

When I first entered Lands End, I had the opportunity to enter with a new generation of countries that were also new to NationStates. I had the opportunity to rise to the position of VP-A, but had to leave due to personal reasons. Now I've come back with a fresh mindset, and have noticed that Lands End, has grown much more, and hearing everyone's concern, has been much more difficult, to the point that out of the 10 most recent regional happenings, 50%, are about posts being suppressed, or nations leaving Lands End.

Lands End now contains 224 nations, and we need someone that will take care for every single one of them, to prevent that things like that, from happening.

By now, its obvious that Torranta has been biased against me. Why? Because of every single candidate, I've been the only one that Torranta has attacked.

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Atkemri

The United Banking Associaton wrote:When I first entered Lands End, I had the opportunity to enter with a new generation of countries that were also new to NationStates. I had the opportunity to rise to the position of VP-A, but had to leave due to personal reasons. Now I've come back with a fresh mindset, and have noticed that Lands End, has grown much more, and hearing everyone's concern, has been much more difficult, to the point that out of the 10 most recent regional happenings, 50%, are about posts being suppressed, or nations leaving Lands End.

Lands End now contains 224 nations, and we need someone that will take care for every single one of them, to prevent that things like that, from happening.

By now, its obvious that Torranta has been biased against me. Why? Because of every single candidate, I've been the only one that Torranta has attacked.

Torranta did not attack you. He pointed out a flaw in your campaign, and, as the only person who is really campaigning at the moment, yours is the only one he can point out flaws in.

I would also like to point out that I have not been "not hearing everyone's concern." I have repeatedly requested, on the RMB and on the Discord, that anyone with a complaint or bylaw idea should telegram me.

I have received exactly three telegrams about such matters in the five months I have been CLO. All of them were from members of government.

The people are not being heard because they aren't saying anything. That is the plain truth of the matter.

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I quite agree.

The Democracy Of Red Star, Clarkentrent

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:Torranta did not attack you. He pointed out a flaw in your campaign, and, as the only person who is really campaigning at the moment, yours is the only one he can point out flaws in.

I would also like to point out that I have not been "not hearing everyone's concern." I have repeatedly requested, on the RMB and on the Discord, that anyone with a complaint or bylaw idea should telegram me.

I have received exactly three telegrams about such matters in the five months I have been CLO. All of them were from members of government.

The people are not being heard because they aren't saying anything. That is the plain truth of the matter.

I quite agree.

That's exactly what has been done wrong, during the time you've been CLO. We need someone that will actively ask the shareholders, and employees of Lands End what they think can be done. Three telegrams won't represent the well being of every single nation. We need someone that will actively work with every single office, and with the nations that make Lands End, one of the biggest regions in Nation States. That, I can tell you, would be much more effective.

Modern Israel

The United Banking Associaton wrote:That's exactly what has been done wrong, during the time you've been CLO. We need someone that will actively ask the shareholders, and employees of Lands End what they think can be done. Three telegrams won't represent the well being of every single nation. We need someone that will actively work with every single office, and with the nations that make Lands End, one of the biggest regions in Nation States. That, I can tell you, would be much more effective.

So what else is the CLO supposed to do?

I have asked, repeatedly, for proposals.

I can't act on them if I don't get them.

If a nation does not check the RMB and is unaware because of that that I would listen to any proposal they may have, that is nobody's fault but their own.

I repeat: the people are not being heard because they are not saying anything.

I have done nothing but my job.

Clarkentrent

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:So what else is the CLO supposed to do?

I have asked, repeatedly, for proposals.

I can't act on them if I don't get them.

If a nation does not check the RMB and is unaware because of that that I would listen to any proposal they may have, that is nobody's fault but their own.

I repeat: the people are not being heard because they are not saying anything.

I have done nothing but my job.

As CLO, I will be asking each nation, for advice, and what they would do to make Lands End much better. The CLO's job is to be the voice of the people amongst the officers. You may have the same intentions than I have, in this aspect, the difference is that I, will be doing it in much more effective ways.

Posts get lost in the RMB easily, and there are many nations that don't use discord. If you've only received 3 telegrams, then why didn't you change your methods?

I agree, you've been doing your job, but it hasn't been effective.

Modern Israel

The United Banking Associaton wrote:That's exactly what has been done wrong, during the time you've been CLO. We need someone that will actively ask the shareholders, and employees of Lands End what they think can be done. Three telegrams won't represent the well being of every single nation. We need someone that will actively work with every single office, and with the nations that make Lands End, one of the biggest regions in Nation States. That, I can tell you, would be much more effective.

I would think that it's common sense to actively seek out the legal concerns of both the board, and the general nations of the region and report common concerns and innovative ideas to the CEO and the COO, and its obvious that we need someone who can both achieve that goal, and work with the other members of the board. If I am elected, my fresh, grudge-less nation can achieve that mission as CLO.

The United Banking Associaton wrote:As I've said many times before, as CLO, I will work with every office I can to ensure the well being of every nation. I'm not assuming that Bluximburg, will win the election, but I've been working with him, as he is the current and very smart CTO, on the planification of these solutions.

The position of CLO, can't be taken lightly. We need someone that will fight for every Nation and ensure their well being, and will fight for diplomacy across regions. It seems that Torranta is biased and doesn't favor diplomacy between all of the offices.

Lands End, I humbly ask for your vote, we need someone who will favor Nations, and hear every concern you have.

Thank you

The United Banking Associaton wrote:When I first entered Lands End, I had the opportunity to enter with a new generation of countries that were also new to NationStates. I had the opportunity to rise to the position of VP-A, but had to leave due to personal reasons. Now I've come back with a fresh mindset, and have noticed that Lands End, has grown much more, and hearing everyone's concern, has been much more difficult, to the point that out of the 10 most recent regional happenings, 50%, are about posts being suppressed, or nations leaving Lands End.

Lands End now contains 224 nations, and we need someone that will take care for every single one of them, to prevent that things like that, from happening.

By now, its obvious that Torranta has been biased against me. Why? Because of every single candidate, I've been the only one that Torranta has attacked.

Just like BBR said, you happen to be the only nation campaigning at the moment, so the flaws in your campaign are the only ones I can point out. As the current COO I can assure you that I work very hard o communicate with all the Board members and help with all of their jobs. That’s part of my job is to monitor and manage the Board and report to the CEO. So, to say that I am against diplomacy within the offices is a claim without grounds.

Also, the incidents you referenced when nations posts were suppressed was because they double posted, which is against the law in this region. The nations that got ejected from the region were ejected because they repeatedly broke that law after several warnings. They broke a law that keeps communication and interaction in this region clean and streamlined and generally helps nations to communicate with eachother and helps officials communicate with the general populace.

And, you can hardly call my comments on your campaign as attacks. I like every other shareholder am given the right to vote. So, I am curious of what you can do for the region. Unfortunately, your campaign has consisted of ideas without plans and no direct reference to what you will actually do in CLO. You have not given anyone a single clue what specifically you will do during your term because your campaign consists of saying that you will help people and make sure the region is fair, which is a very general statement and says nothing about what you are going to do. The only thing you have mentioned actually doing is helping the CTO, and other Board members with THEIR jobs instead of focusing on YOURS. If you intend on doing that, I’d suggest either running for COO, CTO (since you’re so eager to use diplomacy or do any other job other than CLO), or a Senior Management Position.

Another thing: the communication you advertise. You advertised a communication system where every position communicates with every position in one big happy family. The way the region is laid out is that the Board Members communication with the COO and the COO communicates with the CEO. This way, word is spread through a single medium (COO) instead of a complex network of different communication paths that you might suggest. Imagine it like a yarn ball. If the Yarn is stretched in a straight line from any Board position, to COO, to CEO. The line is very clean and straight. The communication system you have referenced would look like a tangled up knot in that Yarn. Would you rather have a tangled knot or a line? Also, this communication system that we have in place already is part of the foundations of the region. If you change or remove the foundations of a building, the whole thing could collapse. The same applies here. The only way a change in the foundations of a region would work is if the previous one was severely flawed. However, this one is not.

Finally, a CLO must deal with any justice required in the region. They must be able to analyze a situation and make a logical conclusion based off it. And then choose justice in a fitting way. The way you made claims that I am biased and hate diplomacy without any grounds shows that you did not analyze the situation and did not make the appropriate conclusion. So, you are clearly incapable of that facet of the job of CLO. You know very well that one of my main principles as an officer is to communicate with all, and to work with others, which is your definition of diplomacy apparently. You saw my campaign for CTO when you helped me and yet you still came to this false conclusion. And, your most recent post which I did not bother quoting says that the CLO is the voice of the people amongst the officers. This is not true. The CLO is the voice of the Board amongst the people. The CLO works with the Board and a shareholder proposing a bylaw to form a law and communicates it with the people. The CLO doles our justice to the people from the Board when necessary. While the COO is the medium between the Board and the CEO, the CLO is the voice of the Board amongst the people. This being said, you clearly don’t know what the duty of the CLO is and therefore should reconsider running for the position, or else edit your campaign.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Wenchdom, Clarkentrent

Torranta wrote:Just like BBR said, you happen to be the only nation campaigning at the moment, so the flaws in your campaign are the only ones I can point out. As the current COO I can assure you that I work very hard o communicate with all the Board members and help with all of their jobs. That’s part of my job is to monitor and manage the Board and report to the CEO. So, to say that I am against diplomacy within the offices is a claim without grounds.

Also, the incidents you referenced when nations posts were suppressed was because they double posted, which is against the law in this region. The nations that got ejected from the region were ejected because they repeatedly broke that law after several warnings. They broke a law that keeps communication and interaction in this region clean and streamlined and generally helps nations to communicate with eachother and helps officials communicate with the general populace.

And, you can hardly call my comments on your campaign as attacks. I like every other shareholder am given the right to vote. So, I am curious of what you can do for the region. Unfortunately, your campaign has consisted of ideas without plans and no direct reference to what you will actually do in CLO. You have not given anyone a single clue what specifically you will do during your term because your campaign consists of saying that you will help people and make sure the region is fair, which is a very general statement and says nothing about what you are going to do. The only thing you have mentioned actually doing is helping the CTO, and other Board members with THEIR jobs instead of focusing on YOURS. If you intend on doing that, I’d suggest either running for COO, CTO (since you’re so eager to use diplomacy or do any other job other than CLO), or a Senior Management Position.

Another thing: the communication you advertise. You advertised a communication system where every position communicates with every position in one big happy family. The way the region is laid out is that the Board Members communication with the COO and the COO communicates with the CEO. This way, word is spread through a single medium (COO) instead of a complex network of different communication paths that you might suggest. Imagine it like a yarn ball. If the Yarn is stretched in a straight line from any Board position, to COO, to CEO. The line is very clean and straight. The communication system you have referenced would look like a tangled up knot in that Yarn. Would you rather have a tangled knot or a line? Also, this communication system that we have in place already is part of the foundations of the region. If you change or remove the foundations of a building, the whole thing could collapse. The same applies here. The only way a change in the foundations of a region would work is if the previous one was severely flawed. However, this one is not.

Finally, a CLO must deal with any justice required in the region. They must be able to analyze a situation and make a logical conclusion based off it. And then choose justice in a fitting way. The way you made claims that I am biased and hate diplomacy without any grounds shows that you did not analyze the situation and did not make the appropriate conclusion. So, you are clearly incapable of that facet of the job of CLO. You know very well that one of my main principles as an officer is to communicate with all, and to work with others, which is your definition of diplomacy apparently. You saw my campaign for CTO when you helped me and yet you still came to this false conclusion. And, your most recent post which I did not bother quoting says that the CLO is the voice of the people amongst the officers. This is not true. The CLO is the voice of the Board amongst the people. The CLO works with the Board and a shareholder proposing a bylaw to form a law and communicates it with the people. The CLO doles our justice to the people from the Board when necessary. While the COO is the medium between the Board and the CEO, the CLO is the voice of the Board amongst the people. This being said, you clearly don’t know what the duty of the CLO is and therefore should reconsider running for the position, or else edit your campaign.

To clarify, the United Banking Association is NOT the only one running for CLO, as I posted my intent to run earlier this week, and have actually read the duties of the CLO.

Radomuerenis wrote:To clarify, the United Banking Association is NOT the only one running for CLO, as I posted my intent to run earlier this week, and have actually read the duties of the CLO.

Telegram me

Nosotalio, Clarkentrent

I've provided multiple solutions and I've laid out the plans for every single one of them. Bonnie Blue Republic, has been ineffective at his job. How could someone believe, that receiving only 3 telegrams is proof that we have a CLO that cares about the peoples opinion? As CLO, I will be telegramming each shareholder, and asking them what they would do and what their concerns are, just as I've done with you, Torranta

I know that Torranta isn't doubting my urge to help each nation achieve their goals, and wants to learn what I would do as CLO. I oversaw your campaign for CTO, when you were a new nation, and I know that it ended up being for the greater good of Lands End.

We can't have a system, where everyone works independently. We need a system where everyone works together and advices each other to satisfy the needs of the nations of Lands End.

I will also be asking you, Torranta and Bonnie Blue for any advice, if I get the position of CLO. This is a campaign about working together.

Modern Israel

The United Banking Associaton wrote:I've provided multiple solutions and I've laid out the plans for every single one of them. Bonnie Blue Republic, has been ineffective at his job. How could someone believe, that receiving only 3 telegrams is proof that we have a CLO that cares about the peoples opinion? As CLO, I will be telegramming each shareholder, and asking them what they would do and what their concerns are, just as I've done with you, Torranta

It's ironic, that Torranta is doubting about my urge to help each nation achieve their goals, when I oversaw your campaign for CTO, when you were a new nation. We can't have a system, where everyone works independently. We need a system where everyone works together and advices each other to satisfy the needs of the nations of Lands End.

You are completely missing my point here.

At one point, I did send out a mass TG. It's not an efficient use of time to individually telegram every nation in the region.

The mass TG returned nothing other than a couple people saying they'd tell me if they came up with any idea.

It is not that I have

Radomuerenis wrote:To clarify, the United Banking Association is NOT the only one running for CLO, as I posted my intent to run earlier this week, and have actually read the duties of the CLO.

I wish you luck.

Clarkentrent

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:You are completely missing my point here.

At one point, I did send out a mass TG. It's not an efficient use of time to individually telegram every nation in the region.

The mass TG returned nothing other than a couple people saying they'd tell me if they came up with any idea.

It is not that I haveI wish you luck.

As CLO I will be telegramming each shareholder privately, and engage in a true conversation with them. A mass telegram isn't directed towards anyone, it just makes the nations feel as if it is a bunch of spam, and that the CLO couldn't care less about what they think.

We need to engage the nations in the regional politics.

The United Banking Associaton wrote:I've provided multiple solutions and I've laid out the plans for every single one of them. Bonnie Blue Republic, has been ineffective at his job. How could someone believe, that receiving only 3 telegrams is proof that we have a CLO that cares about the peoples opinion? As CLO, I will be telegramming each shareholder, and asking them what they would do and what their concerns are, just as I've done with you, Torranta

It's ironic, that Torranta is doubting about my urge to help each nation achieve their goals, when I oversaw your campaign for CTO, when you were a new nation. We can't have a system, where everyone works independently. We need a system where everyone works together and advices each other to satisfy the needs of the nations of Lands End.

I’ve already explained how these plans would be ineffective, and I’ve already explained the Yarn Ball analogy and how your system is sloppy and ineffective, and I’ve already explained that having a single medium is more streamline than a tangled knot. Please read my post completely before you comment on it. And all you really did to help me be CTO is read what I wrote by myself, told me it was OK, and then posted a single comment on the rmb saying you support me. All the actual work was done by me. I’ve genuinely expressed my gratitude to you several times but it’s really hard to continue to be thankful towards you when you accuse me of things without grounds and persist in ignoring what I am actually saying. I find this incredibly rude and insulting considering I gave you genuine ways to edit your campaign to make it better and you go on to accuse me. Now this argument is getting tedious sicne no matter how many posts have been made you just don’t care and keep saying the same things over and over showing no actual defense against the points made about your campaign. So I suggest this conversation end because every post you make harms your campaign even more.

The United Banking Associaton wrote:As CLO I will be telegramming each shareholder privately, and engage in a true conversation with them. A mass telegram isn't directed towards anyone, it just makes the nations feel as if it is a bunch of spam.

We need to engage the nations in the regional politics.

What do you think I’ve been doing for two terms? I try hard to communicate genuinely with all. However, sometimes there are just too many nations to talk to individually, so we need to use regional TGs

Bonnie Blue Republic, Clarkentrent

I'm trying to keep up the all the election happenings, Is anyone besides Torranta running for WA delegate yet?

Modern Israel wrote:I'm trying to keep up the all the election happenings, Is anyone besides Torranta running for WA delegate yet?

You don’t “run” for Delegate. Whoever has the most endos simply just is the Delegate. After TESDAI resigned I had the next highest endorsements, so it passed down to me.

Modern Israel

Torranta wrote:You don’t “run” for Delegate. Whoever has the most endos simply just is the Delegate. After TESDAI resigned I had the next highest endorsements, so it passed down to me.

Ah, thanks for explaining. I thought it was elected the same way as the other offices.

Modern Israel wrote:Ah, thanks for explaining. I thought it was elected the same way as the other offices.

If you go back a page or two on the rmb you will find the complete list of running candidates and positions.

Modern Israel

Torranta wrote:I’ve already explained how these plans would be ineffective, and I’ve already explained the Yarn Ball analogy and how your system is sloppy and ineffective, and I’ve already explained that having a single medium is more streamline than a tangled knot. Please read my post completely before you comment on it. And all you really did to help me be CTO is read what I wrote by myself, told me it was OK, and then posted a single comment on the rmb saying you support me. All the actual work was done by me. I’ve genuinely expressed my gratitude to you several times but it’s really hard to continue to be thankful towards you when you accuse me of things without grounds and persist in ignoring what I am actually saying. I find this incredibly rude and insulting considering I gave you genuine ways to edit your campaign to make it better and you go on to accuse me. Now this argument is getting tedious sicne no matter how many posts have been made you just don’t care and keep saying the same things over and over showing no actual defense against the points made about your campaign. So I suggest this conversation end because every post you make harms your campaign even more.

What do you think I’ve been doing for two terms? I try hard to communicate genuinely with all. However, sometimes there are just too many nations to talk to individually, so we need to use regional TGs

I agree, this discussion has become tedious. I never meant to use your campaign for CTO as a means of attack. However, the reason why I left it abruptly is extremely personal, but I will explain it to you via telegram, as I feel our relationship could be extremely affected by it.

I would also like to apologize to Bonnie Blue Republic, as I feel I've attacked you relentlessly today, when I shouldn't have so much grudge towards our current CLO.

As CLO, I will be searching towards Torranta and Bonnie Blue Republic for their tremendous experience and any advice they can give me.

I will also work with Bluximburg, our current CTO, and reelection candidate, for establishing diplomacy with other regions.

I will also hear from each nation for their advice, and working together, such as Modern Israel

Once again, I would like to apologize towards Land End for my actions, and understand any misunderstanding we've had.

Thank you.

Okla-Texas, Modern Israel

I think there are valid points being made by both sides, and I would encourage everyone to evaluate the strengths of the individual arguments objectively as opposed to signaling out an individual nationstate. Hope everyone is having a good day. :)

Bonnie Blue Republic, The United Banking Associaton, Okla-Texas, Modern Israel, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives, Radomuerenis

Modern Israel wrote:I'm trying to keep up the all the election happenings, Is anyone besides Torranta running for WA delegate yet?

You can't run to be delegate, but you can campaign to be delegate at any time.

The Democracy Of Red Star

In other news, my nation has recently reintroduced conscription which has resulted in a dip in our civil rights and a huge increment in our taxes. The people are not happy!

The Democracy Of Red Star, Some Random Lands, Okla-Texas, Where Your Deadbeat Dad Lives

I finally banned tobacco smoking, even in private! And my influence increased to Vassal! Pretty happy to be on such a region as Lands End. Special thanks to Bluximburg for telling me about NS. Quite proud of myself if you ask me.

Also, any and all endorsements are appreciated. I will endorse you in return. :)

The Democracy Of Red Star, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg, Modern Israel

The United Banking Associaton You obviously don't understand how inactive most nations, how much they like the region and therefore think it is fine currently, or don't have much thought about the laws in LE. BBR is constantly asking for people's opinions, as have I in the past, and always get little results.

I have a few ideas that I've been working on with BBR since day one, but we aren't ready to share them. If you were to become CLO, I may introduce them to you.

The Democracy Of Red Star, Clarkentrent, Some Random Lands

My citizens, rioting after the unpopular establishment of anarchism, has forced the return of a state. The state, as of now, has been pressured into more economically interventionist policies as the left wingers become more and more influential. The lifespan of our citizens has bumped up almost to satisfactory pre-anarchism levels.

Some Random Lands wrote:My citizens, rioting after the unpopular establishment of anarchism, has forced the return of a state. The state, as of now, has been pressured into more economically interventionist policies as the left wingers become more and more influential. The lifespan of our citizens has bumped up almost to satisfactory pre-anarchism levels.

I'm sorry to hear that!

Modern Israel

Greetings to all, this is the leader of The nation "The Supreme God, Dominatus" I would like to simply say hello as I have just moved this glorious nation to the region.

Torranta, Wenchdom, Clarkentrent, Modern Israel, The Cincinnatus Republic, Radomuerenis

The Supreme God Dominatus wrote:Greetings to all, this is the leader of The nation "The Supreme God, Dominatus" I would like to simply say hello as I have just moved this glorious nation to the region.

Welcome! We're glad to have you.

We have an election coming up on Feb 5th, in which Shareholders will vote to elect members of the board. I hope that you decide to become a shareholder, as it is very easy and allows you a say in the region's running. If you do wish to become a shareholder, please see here under the title of "Shareholder Status".

The Updated list of candidates for positions in the next election are as follows:

COO: Bluximburg

CRO: The Allied States Of Gondor

CLO: Bonnie Blue Republic and The United Banking Associaton

CTO: Okla-Texas and Corbas

If you have any questions about any of these positions or would like to run for a position contact me via telegram. Also if you have yet to become a shareholder, contact me.

Unike, Bonnie Blue Republic, The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg, Radomuerenis

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Torranta wrote:The Updated list of candidates for positions in the next election are as follows:

COO: Bluximburg

CRO: The Allied States Of Gondor

CLO: Bonnie Blue Republic, The United Banking Associaton, and Radomuerenis

CTO: Bluximburg and Corbas

If you have any questions about any of these positions or would like to run for a position contact me via telegram. Also if you have yet to become a shareholder, contact me.

Looks like Bluximburg has a pretty good shot at COO for the moment...

Anyone going to challenge that?

Cernowitz

Bluximburg wrote:I will be running for CEO as opposed to COO.
Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:Looks like Bluximburg has a pretty good shot at COO for the moment...

Anyone going to challenge that?

Well, if Blux gets COO then CORBAs automatically gets CTO

I would like to formally announce that I have withdrawn from the race for COO, and will instead be running for CEO. I wish Bluximburg all luck in the race, and if he wins, then in the office of COO as well.

The United Banking Associaton, Wenchdom, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic

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Clarkentrent wrote:I would like to formally announce that I have withdrawn from the race for COO, and will instead be running for CEO. I wish Bluximburg all luck in the race, and if he wins, then in the office of COO as well.

I fully support Clarkentrent's decision to run for CEO, and I wish him the best for his candidacy.

Unike, The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent

Welp accidentally enacted national policy: socialism by miss clicking... but besides that my day has been pretty good. How have all or your days gone?

The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent

pretty good myself

I would like to announce my candidacy for Chief Trade Officer (CTO).

Unike, The United Banking Associaton, Wenchdom, Bluximburg, Modern Israel, The Cincinnatus Republic

Okla-Texas wrote:I would like to announce my candidacy for Chief Trade Officer (CTO).

I would like to withdraw my bid for CTO, and endorse Okla-Texas as CTO. He has served me well as ambassador, and I am confident he will do a fine job as CTO.

The United Banking Associaton, Wenchdom, Okla-Texas, Modern Israel, Radomuerenis

Bluximburg wrote:I would like to withdraw my bid for CTO, and endorse Okla-Texas as CTO. He has served me well as ambassador, and I am confident he will do a fine job as CTO.

Thank you, Bluximburg, for your great support. I know I can succeed when the Nation whose footsteps I am following is fully behind my run. The baton shall be passed faithfully!

The United Banking Associaton, Bluximburg, Koriter, Modern Israel

As candidate for the Legal Office, I've set up a plan, with both candidates for the office of CTO, Okla-Texas and Corbas in order to bridge both the Trade and Legal office, in issues such as diplomacy.

I would also like to thank you all for your time, and support, as I humbly ask for your vote, for these upcoming elections.

Unike, Bluximburg, Okla-Texas, Koriter, Modern Israel

Hello to every nation from this hardcore capitalist nation based on liberty and freedom.

The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Okla-Texas, Koriter, Modern Israel, The Cincinnatus Republic

Post by United States Of Pawar Family suppressed by Clarkentrent.

United States Of Pawar Family

Hello to every nation from this hardcore capitalist nation based on liberty and freedom.

United States Of Pawar Family

Please do not double post, there is an edit button if you need to say anything else.

Hello. Good to make your acquaintance everyone. I am a new player and have just joined Lands End as a new member.

Have a good day.

Unike, The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg, Modern Israel, The Cincinnatus Republic

Union Of Mordor wrote:Hello. Good to make your acquaintance everyone. I am a new player and have just joined Lands End as a new member.

Have a good day.

Welcome!

We have an election coming up on Feb 5th, in which Shareholders will vote to elect members of the board. I hope that you decide to become a shareholder, as it is very easy and allows you a say in the region's running. If you do wish to become a shareholder, please see here under the title of "Shareholder Status".

Bluximburg, Union Of Mordor

Clarkentrent wrote:Welcome!

We have an election coming up on Feb 5th, in which Shareholders will vote to elect members of the board. I hope that you decide to become a shareholder, as it is very easy and allows you a say in the region's running. If you do wish to become a shareholder, please see here under the title of "Shareholder Status".

Could you tell me what WA stand for ?

Union Of Mordor wrote:Could you tell me what WA stand for ?

It stands for World Assembly, the World Assembly is like an in-game version of the UN, member nations can vote on proposed resolutions, and if the resolution is passed it will apply it to the member nations, increasing or decreasing certain stats. If you get two or more endorsements, you can even propose resolutions yourself.

Union Of Mordor

As CTO, I would fully cooperate in working together with the CLO in diplomacy and other matters. I feel this would be a beneficial partnership for the region. Thank you The United Banking Associaton for letting me be able to run!

The United Banking Associaton, Bluximburg, Modern Israel

The United Banking Associaton wrote:As candidate for the Legal Office, I've set up a plan, with both candidates for the office of CTO, Okla-Texas and Corbas in order to bridge both the Trade and Legal office, in issues such as diplomacy.

I would also like to thank you all for your time, and support, as I humbly ask for your vote, for these upcoming elections.

What diplomacy can the CLO do?

You never did tell me that...

Clarkentrent

Union Of Mordor wrote:Hello. Good to make your acquaintance everyone. I am a new player and have just joined Lands End as a new member.

Have a good day.

Welcome to the region!

Clarkentrent, Okla-Texas

I just hit top 10% of the world for most influential :D

The United Banking Associaton, Okla-Texas, Modern Israel, The Cincinnatus Republic

I would like to reiterate one of the reasons I am not rerunning for COO. I felt like COO was too much for me to do and at the same time work on all the projects I had in my mind. I was trying for so long to get a Newspaper going with Nilas, but COO had my plate too full to do it. Downsizing to WA Delegate will give me more time to work on projects such as:

[list=a]Yarn Fest

Newspaper

Question of the Day

Ambassadorial Program

Updated Regional History

Weekly Narratives

Recruiting

Writing Regional Bylaws

Writing WA Proposals

Etc.

While I am doing all these, I can continue to act as the WA Delegate and even offer advice to any officials that may need it. And hopefully through doing these, I can help make this region more than that. I can help make this region exciting and help give this region things not seen in others. If you have any other suggestions for projects or ideas to think about, ask me. I want to try to carry out some unique projects in this region.

Archen Federation, The United Banking Associaton, Nordhpadhan, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg, The Cincinnatus Republic

I support Torranta in this, they do a lot already for all of us. Though, Torranta, should you ever decide to run again, I will give you my support :)

Torranta, Clarkentrent, Butcherhooks, Liberum Imperium

Tresin and Garayson have been fired from their Senior Management Positions for neglecting their job entirely. I probably should have done it sooner.

Clarkentrent, Liberum Imperium

Happy Tu BiSh'vat to the Jews of Lands End!

Archen Federation, The United Banking Associaton, Liberum Imperium, Okla-Texas, The Shepherd State, Cernowitz, The Cincinnatus Republic

Modern Israel wrote:Happy Tu BiSh'vat to the Jews of Lands End!

God bless the Jewish people! Shalom!!

Archen Federation, Liberum Imperium, The Shepherd State, Modern Israel, Cernowitz

I have made a new poll to thank Nosotalio and Confederation Of Tesdai for their service to the region. Please take the time to answer the poll and honor them.

Archen Federation, The United Oman, Confederation Of Tesdai, The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Butcherhooks, Okla-Texas

You know, sometimes I look at the civil rights and personal freedoms in my nation and feel bad. Then I remember that I'm basically a god so I don't feel bad.

Butcherhooks, Some Random Lands, Modern Israel, Patrickania

You guys did great in office, Nosotalio and Confederation Of Tesdai.

Confederation Of Tesdai, The United Banking Associaton, Torranta, Bluximburg, Okla-Texas

Thank you all.

The United Banking Associaton, Torranta

Archen Federation wrote:You know, sometimes I look at the civil rights and personal freedoms in my nation and feel bad. Then I remember that I'm basically a god so I don't feel bad.

Trying to raise my civil rights is like trying to make people in the modern world understand that they have civil rights.

Modern Israel

Well, I finally updated my flag :)

The United Banking Associaton, Clarkentrent, Okla-Texas, Cernowitz, The Cincinnatus Republic

Torranta wrote:Well, I finally updated my flag :)

Oooh I like it.

Torranta

In the interest of peace and understanding between diverse regions, the Baron Czernowitz, of dubious spelling, sends our morning report. The Baron is today concluding the negotiations in Romania, where the Generals gathered in their masses. Ve vish to spread the branches of knowledge to the roots of all trees. The happenings of the Empire can be followed on our map, updated slavishly by the minions of the Baron.

Morning Report

Kaisertum Osterreich

Agent Stock, James Stock, has already increased the traffic accident statistics in several German counties, as he careens about seeking WMD in the land of the not so free. Happily an old opera fan is helped to his parking space by Stock, James Stock, getting to his seat on time for the first aria. He's getting married in the morning. ding-dong the bells are gonna ring.

Our intrepid agent, the bane of all Austrian traffic policemen, reports evidence of Violettist influence in opera lyrics, which only the Italians can interpret. Stock, James Stock, must kidnap War Cults leader, Gorious Victor, and transport him to Lake Baroda and help the Baroda-Dowagiac company carry the water of the Emperor to the New World of Michigan Dowagiac.

The Baron is making an unexpected journey by his private rail car on the Baron Northern & Southern Freight railway

( https://www.bnsf.com/ ) to interfere in the election of a friendly Regional power. We will manipulate their social media to shoe in our secret supporter, unknown even to himself. But this aspiring pol is a brave Greek Jewish patriot bent on power and domination. .er, wait.. that's me; Bent on the upholding of Greek Democracy. As Democretes recently declared, just 2400 years back, "Pay no attention to the ravings of madmen!" er, no, he said, "The felicity of a man does not consist either in body or in riches, but in upright conduct and justice."

What! that's not it..

"Repentance after base actions is the salvation of life." hmm.. 400 years later a Greek-ish Buddhist-y Rabbi said something similar. But I digress. "A good man pays no attention to the reproofs of the depraved."

Yes, that's the one we were after.

https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Kaisertum_Osterreich/Osterreich

Greetings from your WA Delegate, here to do my job. The current resolution at vote shows no sign of malevolence from Wrapper but instead condemns him for what appears to be mistakes. It even admits at the beginning of the proposal,

"However, while uncertain if it is due to malevolence or sheer incompetence."

It is clear that he is being either

[list]a. mistakenly thought to have acted malevolently, whereas instead he is simply an incompetent leader

b. The terms upon which he is being condemned are completely uncertain and disputed.[/list]

I do not believe a nation should be condemned for simply being a completely unqualified leader or government member. Nor do I believe that a resolution that does not even know whether the nation is deserved of such a condemnation or not should be paid any heed. The resolution contradicts itself by persistently going back and forth between saying that Wrapper is malevolent, and that Wrapper is just stupid. For these reasons, I suggest you vote Against the resolution to condemn Wrapper. The only consequences Wrapper should face for being incapable is quite simply to be barred from any other government positions.

Bonnie Blue Republic

We are not from here, but this point is being addressed today in the New World. The American pol Duck Rump is often 'condemned for simply being a completely unqualified leader.' The Americans too might pay him no heed, if not for the big button handled by tiny fingers.

Atkemri

Cernowitz wrote:We are not from here, but this point is being addressed today in the New World. The American pol Duck Rump is often 'condemned for simply being a completely unqualified leader.' The Americans too might pay him no heed, if not for the big button handled by tiny fingers.

Which is why I said that if his region wants to deal with Wrapper, they should simply not allow him to be in a government position. America tried not to allow Trump into office (he had less votes than Hillary), but he became president anyway. The damage done by Wrapper in the WA was done because the rest of NationStates voted for his resolutions. We allowed those resolutions to pass. So, my point still stands: Lands End should vote Against this resolution.

Cernowitz

Torranta wrote:Which is why I said that if his region wants to deal with Wrapper, they should simply not allow him to be in a government position. America tried not to allow Trump into office (he had less votes than Hillary), but he became president anyway. The damage done by Wrapper in the WA was done because the rest of NationStates voted for his resolutions. We allowed those resolutions to pass. So, my point still stands: Lands End should vote Against this resolution.

I disagree with Torranta on this matter. I do not think we should participate in both the commending or condemning of nations. I think we should remain neutral as a region. Let us not forget that we are listed as an "anti-WA" region, this means that we should have minimal involvement in the WA. We are in the WA to prevent the WA from telling individual nations what to do and slowing down overreaching resolutions. To switch gears, Trump was elected into office through the electoral college. The United States is not a full democracy, it is a Republic. The founding fathers instituted a system of checks and balances to prevent tyranny of the majority, and honestly, I think voter fraud is a problem in states like California. I'll refer you to this article: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/23/new-california-policy-opens-door-to-illegal-immigrant-voting.html. Let us not forget that there have been previous presidents who have lost the popular vote and still was elected into office: Lincoln is a good example.

Okla-Texas, Modern Israel

Bluximburg wrote:I disagree with Torranta on this matter. I do not think we should participate in both the commending or condemning of nations. I think we should remain neutral as a region. Let us not forget that we are listed as an "anti-WA" region, this means that we should have minimal involvement in the WA. We are in the WA to prevent the WA from telling individual nations what to do and slowing down overreaching resolutions. To switch gears, Trump was elected into office through the electoral college. The United States is not a full democracy, it is a Republic. The founding fathers instituted a system of checks and balances to prevent tyranny of the majority, and honestly, I think voter fraud is a problem in states like California. I'll refer you to this article: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/23/new-california-policy-opens-door-to-illegal-immigrant-voting.html. Let us not forget that there have been previous presidents who have lost the popular vote and still was elected into office: Lincoln is a good example.

I was not arguing the electoral college. I was rather explaining that the people attempted to keep Trump from becoming president, but it didn't work. I rather like the electoral college. Also, if you take the stance of minimizing WA action, voting against the resolution still does that.

Atkemri, Bluximburg, Okla-Texas, Modern Israel, The Cincinnatus Republic

Torranta wrote:I was not arguing the electoral college. I was rather explaining that the people attempted to keep Trump from becoming president, but it didn't work. I rather like the electoral college. Also, if you take the stance of minimizing WA action, voting against the resolution still does that.

I apologize, I misunderstood your statement. Yes, I agree with that.

Okla-Texas, Modern Israel

Bluximburg wrote:I apologize, I misunderstood your statement. Yes, I agree with that.

No need to apologize. You were making a legitimate argument. I need people like you to challenge me on these things, in case I am wrong.

The United Banking Associaton, Okla-Texas

Too many to respond to, so I'm responding to the current discussion. I agree with Torranta and Bluximburg. I believe we should vote Against the current issue both because we are supposed to be anti-WA and because it needs to be voted against anyways.

Bonnie Blue Republic, Torranta, Okla-Texas

I would like to request that we keep discussion of modern politics off the RMB, please.

Torranta wrote:Which is why I said that if his region wants to deal with Wrapper, they should simply not allow him to be in a government position. America tried not to allow Trump into office (he had less votes than Hillary), but he became president anyway. The damage done by Wrapper in the WA was done because the rest of NationStates voted for his resolutions. We allowed those resolutions to pass. So, my point still stands: Lands End should vote Against this resolution.

Torranta, I understand the point you're trying to make here...

But bringing the 2016 POTUS Elections into it was a bad idea.

I'm on NS because I want to get away from IRL politics.

It's also worth pointing out that that is one of the easiest ways to start an argument right now...

With neither side willing to back down.

Which would get us RMB activity, yes... But not the good kind.

The Cincinnatus Republic

Bonnie Blue Republic wrote:I would like to request that we keep discussion of modern politics off the RMB, please.

Torranta, I understand the point you're trying to make here...

But bringing the 2016 POTUS Elections into it was a bad idea.

I'm on NS because I want to get away from IRL politics.

It's also worth pointing out that that is one of the easiest ways to start an argument right now...

With neither side willing to back down.

Which would get us RMB activity, yes... But not the good kind.

I respectfully disagree. I think that polite, well-intentioned, cordial political discussions are entirely possible, and healthy! Not to mention the fact that many, if not most, Americans (Including myself) don't belong to a "side." In fact, I remember it was something like 47% of Americans who didn't even vote. There are also those who voted for third parties. The vast majority of americans, including many of those who did vote for one of the two parties, have unique, differing opinions, and don't just tow a party line (towing a party line is perfectly valid too!). No understanding can ever be reached through silence. Debates don't have to be about converting the "others", they can be about getting each other to understand and accept each other's opinions as valid. Cordial debates where the goal is converting the others can also be healthy though. Both challenging the ideas of others, and understanding why they hold them, is required for a civil society and civil debates.

The United Banking Associaton, Torranta, Bluximburg, Okla-Texas, The Cincinnatus Republic

Modern Israel wrote:I respectfully disagree. I think that polite, well-intentioned, cordial political discussions are entirely possible, and healthy! Not to mention the fact that many, if not most, Americans (Including myself) don't belong to a "side." In fact, I remember it was something like 47% of Americans who didn't even vote. There are also those who voted for third parties. The vast majority of americans, including many of those who did vote for one of the two parties, have unique, differing opinions, and don't just tow a party line (towing a party line is perfectly valid too!). No understanding can ever be reached through silence. Debates don't have to be about converting the "others", they can be about getting each other to understand and accept each other's opinions as valid. Cordial debates where the goal is converting the others can also be healthy though. Both challenging the ideas of others, and understanding why they hold them, is required for a civil society and civil debates.

You make a very valid point. I think that modern politics are fine on the RMB as long as everyone stays civil and respectful.

Bluximburg, Okla-Texas, Modern Israel

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