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Region: Lands End
Post self-deleted by Horcrox.
*Sips coffee and nods while reading these posts*
Archen Federation, Unike, Buryasia, Horcrox
No. Simply put. No. You're not organizing a HUMANITARIAN ORGANIZATION into a military format. I leave for literally 2 hours and my dream for this gets raped. Okay first. If anyone is in command of this directly, it should be me as it was my idea, if not me, than one of our other leaders. The Libertarian American Republic stop coming up with commands and orders on this. I'm about 30 seconds from canceling the request for it to be formed because this is getting stupid.
Second this is perhaps the dumbest comment on communism I've ever read. You effectively described socialism not communism.
Third. This. Is. Not. The. Purpose. The organization would literally be here to help new members. Not to liberate others, not to start wars. Not to do ANYTHING like that. If you want a military organization, go find a region that has one, because I seriously doubt Lands End will Ever need, or want a standing military.
What? What does this mean though? Honestly? You don't need a military for trade. A Military is for warfare. This whole issue is just...Is just... *Rubs eyes in annoyance*
Thanks Horcrox for notifying me of this. I don't even know how to respond now.
Sorry but do armies democratically elect their generals?
Listen I'm not trying to be a jerk here. But seriously, the entire point of this was to help smaller nations, not to start wars abroad. It's not the American Military, it's not a police force. It's literally here to assist smaller nations in growing and developing. Now it's just, I don't even know what to call it other than a literally bastardized version of the UN.
Fanter Kesh, Butcherhooks
Im not sure if it means anything, but while going through and endorsing our shareholders I noticed that Bagiona is no longer a part of the region. Do those who leave Lands End maintain their position as shareholder?
They shouldn't.
They arent. Blux should update the dispatch.
Thanks, Archen. I tried to disprove their ideas with reasoning, but I feel like the assertiveness you provided was much more useful. I did, however, disagree with you on one thing: If we had a military, Humanitarian organization thing, you would not be entitled to the role of leader just because you came up with it. If that were the case, I would be the eternal Ambassador for this region. We would definitely credit you for coming up with the idea, but through a designated process of selecting a leader, you would not be chosen simply because of it. You may be chosen through your other qualifications, however.
Archen Federation
Torranta, I leave it up to you guys, I no longer really even want that organization or want to be involved in it now. Sorry mate
Fanter Kesh
I feel like a organization, or some sort of support group for new nations would be a good idea, yes it is important to have new nations join, but also to keep them active and participating. This being said, I agree, I dont think a full on military is something we should worry about right now.
Archen Federation, Buryasia
Thats the thing though. It shifted, I made it quite clear it shifted. And it got turned into someone wanting a military. I don't even know anymore man, like, I kinda agree with Torranta now..
also THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
Like I said, I believe the rmb is sufficient enough of a platform for new nations to ask questions and learn more about things. An organization dedicated to it would be more work than its worth, especially since we already have the rmb.
Archen Federation
I agree now.
The poll and discussions had begun with debating about wether we should have a military. Your idea might have been mixed up in all of it. I dont think it is something you should give up though, I am in full support of what you have purposed and I think it should be held for serious consideration.
Archen Federation, Buryasia
So... I just checked. The Libertarian American Republic was founded 3 days ago. You cant expect him to know how NS r/d works very well, and how Lands End functions. Its not your fault.
Was my original intent was to form a military: Yes.
Did that idea change: Yes.
Did I try to make it clear? Absolutely.
Unfortunately I was not here to further explain and maintain the ideas integrity.
I mean, also, I'm not endorsing nations that are literally brand new unless we've interacted a bit and I get to know what you stand for.
#sorrynotsorry
Bonnie Blue Republic, Torranta, Fanter Kesh
Btw, I am the first delegate of Lands End to hit 70 endorsements!
This is in part due to the fact that we have nearly 100 wa nations now due to a recent influx. I dont expect to hold this number for too long.
And, for the first time I can remember, Lands Ends Delegate has more endorsements than Conch Kingdoms making us the highest in the former AA regions.
Archen Federation, Fanter Kesh
It wasn't just him honestly. I did a lot of thinking during class (I was bored for one), and it did get taken as a military, plus, of the main admins that I default to, at least 2 were opposed, then I read all this junk about "Democratically electing a leader for it" and "liberating other regions" and just realized that it got bastardized really quickly. I'm not here to command a military, I was trying to form a good thing, which it no longer is. Thus, I'm withdrawing the support for my own idea. And tbh, I noticed several people explaining how a military works in NS, and thats cool, I applaud it, but it was never my intent for a military. I am however, crediting particular people for taking the idea and making it into some invasion force...thing... or whatever, and just simply saying; I really don't appreciate that. But I do understand what you're saying Torranta
also Congrats to our WA Delegate on that!
Congratulations!!!
Archen Federation
Hey, so now that the majority has voted towards having a military, who will be managing it?i
*rubbing eyes intensifies*
I am officially condemning a Lands End Military.
Torranta, Clarkentrent
Have you read the last 8 pages of the rmb?
Also, a poll is not an actual vote. It is just a way of gauging opinion on literally anything.
I would support this if we could at least have a detailed and somewhat agreeable plan on how to organize this military, but since their isn't one. I don't know if I can support it
Torranta
No, when I logged in there were like 200 messages. All I understood was that there were people fighting to manage it.
What has happened?
Well, the basic idea of the whole thing was that the military would instead be a humanitarian organization to help newer nations learn more, but some nations distorted the idea into a standing military for r/d. The creator of the idea gave up on it, the topic is starting to drop off since it turned into something stupid.
The United Banking Associaton, Freedomonia
Military leaders could also be charged with organizing LE member activities during an event like nuclear war or zombie apocalypse.
Also if we form a military I hereby nominate myself for Commander of Zombie Operations
Zombie and Nuclear Strategies are completely different from R/D. Also, we already determined that a regional military at this point in time is stupid.
Well, I still think we should be way more organized the next time an event comes around. I proposed a by-law to this effect. Dunno if it went anywhere.
I actually think it passed, but because it only applies to the one event, it wasnt recorded
Well, if the military will be creating so much conflict amongst us, I propose that we postpone our decision making.
The American Imperialists, Fanter Kesh
I propose destroying the idea.
Torranta, The American Imperialists, Fanter Kesh
I concur, however I do think that the issue should be visited someday in the future, it is hard to ignore the results of the poll. If there is that much support for the idea, let anyone come forward with their plan and purpose it to the shareholders and The Board.
Archen Federation, The United Banking Associaton, The American Imperialists
Calm down. No one is "raping" your idea. Everyone is presenting their perspectives. I think you do have some valid points, but please do understand that LE is organized as a corporation as opposed to a kingdom or confederacy, etc. I value your opinions, and I hope we can all engage in civil discourse.
Butcherhooks, Rone Jerro
... Just cause the poll is in favor doesn't mean we are establishing a millitary today or even tomorrow it was just made to see if interest was there. Any decision regarding a millitary is up to the Board.
Atkemri, The United Banking Associaton, Wenchdom, Clarkentrent, Bluximburg
I would vote for the creation of such an army, but I still have some concerns over the leadership of this international military, and it's purpose.
Horcrox
I would like to encourage everyone to endorse all other shareholders in order for us to increase our regional influence. Additionally, it is imperative that we all endorse Torranta since he is our WA delegate. Thank you.
Bonnie Blue Republic, Torranta, Fanter Kesh, Butcherhooks, Okla-Texas
I'd like a military similar to that of Switzerland, a neutral body merely for the preservation of the state. I've always admired Switzerland, it's like America but in Europe.
The United Banking Associaton, Some Random Lands
Hey, you know that resolution we repealed about promoting sustainable timber? Well, they are trying to unrepeal it with flimsy counter arguments that kind of just sounds like whining and completely misses the point of why it was repealed in the first place. I pray it doesnt meet the approval quota. Also, a nation from our very own region has proposed a WA resolution! Rone Jerro proposed the resolution seen in this link:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=rone_jerro_1519348019
Bonnie Blue Republic, Wenchdom, The American Imperialists, Fanter Kesh, Okla-Texas
I really don't like Switzerland's foreign policy. It's ok if Switzerland does it but if America uses their foreign policy and military structure it would fail dramatically
Anyone have any thoughts/arguments for or against the new proposition in the WA?
I think that America should move towards a foreign policy that Switzerland has, but not immediately.
I'm not a big fan of isolationism in general. If we pull out of the international world, it would pave the way for China's rise into power, which I really don't want
The United Banking Associaton, The Democracy Of Red Star
Why not?
The Democracy Of Red Star
Because China isn't exactly what one would call free. They're basically North Korea lite.
The Democracy Of Red Star
This I don't understand, I specifically drafted it so that it applied to any NS-wide events (not to be a douche, but I'm an attorney I know how to write broad, binding terms). So I'm going to reiterate my desire for the adoption of a by-law, or laws, governing conduct in NS-wide events so that we are better prepared next time.
The Democracy Of Red Star
This week in diplomacy:
As ambassador, I've introduced myself, to each of the regions in which we have embassies. Each of the regions seem to be productive, and gladdened to have a strong relationship with Lands End. Here are some things that I've noticed about each of the regions, and what's been happening in them:
-Cape Of Good Hope: This region has been calm, as it rejects drama. Some nations have been expanding diplomacy between themselves, by writing diplomacy accords.
-Conch Kingdom: Has been holding a referendum directed towards ammending their Conch Code. They are focused on ammending their code, in order to declare a persona non grata. The referendum, has been supported greatly and 29 out of 32 nations have voted towards ammending it.
-Ridgefield: Ridgefield has also been holding an ammendment referendum. 7 out of 9 nations have voted towards having an amendment.
-Narnia: This region has also been pretty tranquil. Nonetheless, Torranta seems to be caught up in a love affair (?). Nations in this region have showed fondness towards Lands End and are convinced that our relationship has reached maximum prosperity.
-Anteria: Has also been calm, not much as happened around this region. Their culture includes nations writing reports of what's happened in their nation state.
-The Good Ship Revenge: Just as our region, they've had elections recently.
-Wintreath: As of right now, they describe their region happenings as a "geopolitical nightmare." A country located in the Middle East has threatened to come up, and terrorize two of the nations of Wintreath.
-Capitalist Paradise: As of right now, they seem to be caught up in a debate regarding gun control.
-Kaistertum Osterreich: Their benevolent monarchy, has recently divided up lands between some nations. Their region includes an interactive global map, where anyone can see the lands owned by each nation.
This week has been tranquil but rich in learning for me. The purpose of sharing their culture with Lands End, is directed towards learning and experiencing more as a region. Maybe, we can start adopting things that have been proven to be working with this regions.
We recently have had a long and dividing debate in our region, regarding a military. Maybe, we can see how militaries have been working on other regions, and have a factual and unbiased debate in Lands End. I previously proposed that our decision making regarding this idea be left for another time, but a great majority has voted towards having one.
I invite you to do this. If you have any ideas, feel free to send them to me, and I'll be sure to propose them to Okla-Texas, whom I'm working under.
Thank you.
Unike, Bonnie Blue Republic, Atkemri, Fanter Kesh, The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg, Okla-Texas, Koriter, The Cincinnatus Republic
Good work! Couldn't ask for a better Ambassador!
The United Banking Associaton, The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg, Koriter
Post self-deleted by The United Banking Associaton.
Hello.
The United Banking Associaton, The Democracy Of Red Star, Koriter, The Cincinnatus Republic
About the GA resolution "Repeal Protection of Biomedical Research"
While I was going through this resolution, I found myself a bit perplexed. This is because I kept confusing WA regulation with individual regulation. It is easy to make this mistake. You need to keep in mind that the resolution at vote is talking about individual nations , not the WA. The resolution to be repealed is in its essence, prohibiting individual nations from making any regulations on biomedical research that is not with the specific intent of preventing harm to sentient life. This idea is good on it's own, but forgets to account for all the other reasons regulations should be put on biomedical research, and it forgets that sentient beings have inalienable rights other than the right to live. The Target Resolution prevents individual nations from making regulations on biomedical research regarding religion, morals, ethics in general, or even protecting subjects of research in comas, who are unable to make decisions. The resolution to be repealed prevents nations from monitoring environmental factors put into biomedical research, and there are a whole slew of things that individual nations are not allowed to make decisions on, because they are only allowed to make regulations that specifically protect sentient life. At its core, the Target Resolution keeps individual nations from making their own decisions about how biomedical research should be carried out and prevents individual nations from protecting the rights of certain religious and ethical groups in the realm of biomedical research. The current sentiment in Lands End has been to prevent WA resolutions that injure the sovereignty of individual nations from continuing to do so, and the Target resolution has been doing that ever since it passed in the first place. For these reasons, I believe it should be repealed, so I suggest you vote FOR the resolution to Repeal Protection of Biomedical Research.
Have you shown him my Ambassador Dispatch yet?
The Democracy Of Red Star, Okla-Texas, Koriter
Welcome! I hope you enjoy your stay here.
I also encourage you to become a shareholder. A shareholder has special privileges, they can vote in our board elections and propose bylaws.
It's very easy to become a shareholder, you can find the instructions for how to apply here.(Please note, that dispatch hasn't been updated in a while and shareholder applications actually must be sent to Bluximburg)
The Democracy Of Red Star, Bluximburg
I never said anything about the U.S. adopting Switzerland's foreign policy, I just admire their 200+ years of total neutrality.
[EDIT] Do these two messages count as double posts :| I don't want to tarnish my perfect record.
The Democracy Of Red Star
Post by The Cincinnatus Republic suppressed by Bluximburg.
Definitely not immediately, if ever. It would've been optimal for the U.S. to adopt a total non interventionist policy upon our founding like Washington envisioned.
Yes. Do not double post.
The Democracy Of Red Star, The Cincinnatus Republic
Having complete neutrality in your foreign policy is still not a very good idea in my opinion. If there are for example, pro democracy rebels who are fighting a totalitarian dictatorship in a foreign nation, I think that it is America's duty as the sole superpower of the world to at the very least show support and sympathy for the pro democracy rebels, and if need be, use our military to aid them
The Democracy Of Red Star, The Cincinnatus Republic
The US switching to a completely neutral stance would be horribly detrimental to the world in many ways.
1. Complete Swiss style neutrality would mean that the US would have to leave NATO and somehow dissolve all other existing treaties.
2. A US free NATO would still be a force to reckon with, but without the US other groups would have more of a fighting chance in a war with NATO, namely Russia's CSTO(or at least I think that's the acronym, I can' t bothered to look it up right now), previously NATO would have destroyed Russia but without the US a Russian dominated Europe is more likely.
The American Imperialists, The Democracy Of Red Star
Completely agree. America should not ans can not retreat from our duties in maintaining a degree of international order and peace. We can't afford to allow nations like China or Russia, which are both making very substantial increases in their military budgets and are both becoming increasingly imperialistic (Russia in Ukraine and China in the South China Sea) to gain dominance in the international world.
The Democracy Of Red Star, Cizicus
what is your opinion on shrimp?
Atkemri, The American Imperialists, The Democracy Of Red Star
Delicious, but I don't feel like this is adding much to the conversation.
Atkemri, Buryasia, The American Imperialists, The Democracy Of Red Star
I love warm cookies 🍪!
Unike, The American Imperialists
Having read a week's worth of posts on a Saturday morning, I like the way Archen was thinking especially about how this is a fantastically supportive, active, special region and anything we can do to help newer nations thrive in the region is a good idea. The RMB is doing great in this regard, and the new government has a lot on its plate, but if in the future this idea comes back up, (or if it won't go away this time :0 ) let's re-brand it as the OGLE--Organization of Governments in Lands End . Maybe it could have a tab or something on the discord with archives, hints for gameplay, hints for using RMB (I still don't know how to quote, BTW). It could be an organic conversation between newer nations and experienced ones that could trigger creation of missives, guides, etc. to be archived, on the discord or elsewhere, as long as it is easily accessible for newer nations.
Unike, Torranta, The American Imperialists, Fanter Kesh, The Democracy Of Red Star
I'm a vegetarian(I haven't mentioned it before).
Well, the US has been quite imperialistic too. The US has intervened in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, and much more places that the US shouldn't have been in. Even the North Korea nuclear crisis was a result of American interventionism. I'm not anti-American and I am patriotic, but the US has many problems when it comes to its foreign policy. With that being said, many countries in the world are reliant on America. This includes NATO, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and more. They are threatened by two other imperialistic countries, Russia and China. But are those two countries really as imperialistic as we say they are? Almost 97% of Crimeans voted in the 2014 referendum to join Russia. And China has become a capitalist, partially free market country. China's tensions with other countries really isn't as strong as it has been in the past. China has shifted. Both Russia and China are both still authoritarian countries, but far less than it was in the 1980s and 1990s.
Buryasia, Torranta, Wenchdom
What do you mean? Without Shrimp all civilization would collapse on itself leading to a dark age in human advancement. We must praise the shrimp lest it's divine presence leaves us.
Unike, The United Banking Associaton, Torranta, Modern Israel
Oh, my mistake how silly of me. I wasn't thinking about the big picture.
Atkemri
I would like to announce that our World Assembly participation is higher than ever. Right now we have 41 nations in our region who have voted on the current resolution out of 94 total World Assembly nations (which is the highest number of WA nations we've ever had). We used to get maybe 13 nations voting at best. The improvement is clear. In addition, our region for the most part is agreeing on resolutions, solidifying our stance and making our region have a bigger impact in the World Assembly. Right now our nation has a capacity of 163 votes in the World Assembly (accounting for Delegate votes as well). 111 votes out of the 163 have been used so far, so we are utilizing most of our voting power. Out of those 111 votes, 100 have been For the resolution, and 11 votes have been against. 90% of our votes are going to the same cause, which is an outstanding example of unity in our region's ideology. And, for any WA nations that have yet to vote, I suggest voting for the resolution.
In addition to all this, Lands End is 20th in the World for Average Endorsement count at 5.55 endorsements per nation. And, Our Delegate is approximately the 30th most-endorsed Delegate in the World, give or take a few spots. I'd say the WA facet of our region is on the rise.
Keep up the good work, Lands End.
Buryasia, Clarkentrent, Okla-Texas, The Cincinnatus Republic
I don't think you understand what imperialism actually is. What we did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, etc. was not imperialism. Imperialism is not the same as intervention. When we invaded or went to war in those nations, it was not done for imperialistic reasons. We did not annex those nations, and in many cases we even aided the local governments of those nations. In Korea we aided the South Korean government in taking back their territory from the North Koreans, with the approval of the UN might I add. Because of that invasion, South Korea is now a very technologically and economically advanced nation, and is a free democracy, which is in complete contrast to the North. In Vietnam we aided our partially democratic South Vietnamese allies in maintaining their sovereignty against the authoritarian North Vietnamese and the Vietcong. Had we stayed our ground and changed some of our very alienating tactics in the war, South Vietnam could've been just like South Korea, a free and prosperous democracy. Our invasion into Afghanistan was due to the Taliban's (which ruled the nation) refusal to give up the Al Qaeda affiliates who were responsible for planning 9/11. The Taliban refused, and so in order to ensure that Al Qaeda will not commit more 9/11 style of terrorist attacks on America or our allies we invaded Afghanistan, removed the Taliban from power, and installed a democracy in place, one that 92% of all Afghanis believe to be superior to the Taliban. For the first time in history, Afghanistan now have a system of democracy, because of our intervention into the country. And according to recent 3rd party polls (that do not have any of the suspicious circumstances that the Crimean poll had) done on the nation, most of the people in Afghanistan support the US intervention into their nation. The Iraq war was possibly even more justified than the Afghan one. Under Saddam's rule, it was estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis were executed by the state, which equals to roughly 75-125 civilians per day. The nation under Saddam has repeatedly broken UN and international laws in their procurement of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. The nation has made repeated threats to our allies, namely Israel, and has even made an assassination attempt on George HW Bush's life. After our invasion into the nation, we successfully turned the nation into a democracy, the first that iraq has ever seen. Had President Obama not made the cowardly decision to pull out all US military personnel from the nation, Iraq most likely would not have had to deal with an Isis invasion into the nation, or deal with Iran's increasing influence in the nation. As for China and Russia, both nations are heavily anti democracy and still totalitarian to the core. When Russia invades a nation, or take control over an area, they do not bother with setting up a democracy, Russia will annex the territory as their own, which is the actual definition of imperialism. The Crimea referendum they've done is not recognized by the international world, and for good reason, the poll has most definitely been edited by Russia to make a half assed justification of them invading Ukraine's territory, which they've explicitly said that they would not do in the 90s, and even though Ukraine has never threatened Russia's sovereignty even once. And although China has not been as authoritarian as the Mao ZeDong era, the nation is still an oppressive and undemocratic regime that has been involved in oppression of the Tibetan people, mass human organ harvesting, and political arrests for any and all political dissidents. If you call yourself a patriot to America, then you cannot under any circumstances, make excuses for China and Russia's increasingly expansionist policies
Bluximburg
Shrimp isn't the big picture,It is the picture
If shrimp are the picture does that mean that jumbo shrimp are the big picture, and brine shrimp are the little picture?
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Atkemri, The American Imperialists
Post by The Democracy Of Red Star suppressed by Torranta.
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I do admit, I may have gone too far calling America imperialist. But America's invasion of those countries did come heavily because of American interests. Almost all of American interventionist policy was to secure America's interests. The invasion of Iraq definitely wasn't because the US cared about the Iraqi people. Saddam did not have WMDs, there's been no proof of Iraq having any. Saddam's Iraq also wasn't a dystopia, Iraq was somewhat functional. Saddam was, of course, bad, but the damage done to Iraq was worse. And at the time, both South Korea and South Vietnam were dictatorships. Just not communist dictatorships. Our invasion of North Korea was done with much more aggression than needed, as the Kim regime took advantage of all the civilians killed and bombings that occurred. And in the 2000s, the US backed South Korean leaders that were against the Sunshine Policy between the two Korean countries. Afghanistan also isn't a democracy, it is still one of the most unstable places in the world. Iraq was far more stable in 2002 than 2011.
There were other nations, some of which I didn't mention, that the US has intervened in for its own interests, like Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria(it aided the Arab Spring), Nicaragua, Grenada, Chile, Bolivia, and more. As for the Crimean referendum, while it is controversial, many Crimeans still do support being in Russia. It was Crimea's choice. Russia may have wanted Crimea, but I highly doubt that Russia would have invaded if Crimea voted no.
Of course, I believe that the US should have a unilateral free trade system.
So if the US became non-interventionist, that wouldn't necessarily make China and Russia take over the world. As I said, China's relations with East Asian countries has relatively improved. And even if Russia is fighting with the EU, Russia would lose in a war against the European Union if no nuclear weapons are involved. Russia isn't dumb enough to spark a nuclear war on its own. Sure, neither Russia nor China are good countries. But they also aren't communist autocracies.
Wenchdom
What's the point? Try to avoid posting anything that doesn't contribute anything. This doesn't convey any emotions or say anything about anything. Don't post just to post. I didn't suppress it because you made a comment earlier in the post, that contributed to the conversation (I don't even know if you can even call it that). Off-topic, irrelevant posts actually count as spam, which are against site rules, I believe.
You're not in trouble. I'm just warning you of posting stuff like this.
THIS is spam. Don't do it.
Some Random Lands, Bluximburg
Now you're getting it.
Iraq did have WMDs, they had mass stockpiles of chemical weapons that we recovered after the war, and they have used human experimentation to test biological weapons. As for nuclear weapons, the Iraq government ordered their top nuclear scientist to hid blueprints for the creation of them from UN weapons inspectors. Did we invade solely because we cared for the Iraqi people? No, of course not. We wanted to secure the safety of our allies as well as unseat a dictator that threatened our interests, and violated human rights up until the last day he was in power. But that doesn't mean that what we did was not good for the people in the long run. When viewing foreign policy, you must view the long term effects of intervention. The long term effects of our intervention in Iraq is that now Iraq, although still incredibly corrupt, is now a democracy, something that wouldve never happened had we not intervened in the nation. The same can be said for South Korea and Afghanistan as well. Afghanistan is now a democracy, the nation is currently fighting against the Taliban in a civil war of sorts, but they have elections, and from the polling in the nation the majority of the people see the elections as fair. The long term effects of our intervention has/will make those nations a much better place. The invasion of North Korea was entirely done due to them first invading South Korea. Had they not invaded our ally first, we would not have even had a war in the region. South Vietnam was a partial democracy, they at the very least had elections, which is far more than what North Vietnam had to say. Iraq under Saddam was by no means stable either. The nation held mass political prisons that Saddam created, and they genocided anywhere from 100,000 - 250,000 kurdish natives in the nation. I find it very perplexing that you would view American intervention into these nations as unjustified, yet when Russia invaded Crimea, even after explicitly saying that they were never going to do so, even when Ukraine has done nothing to threaten the nation, you would defend the nation's actions. Russia is using the same justification of them annexing Crimea that Hitler used when annexing Czechoslovakia. Russia and China are both making massive moves on the international world, with Russia giving enormous amounts of backing to the Assad regime in Syria, and China wanting complete control over the South China sea even after the Hague ruled against them, not to mention that they are now building their first foreign military base in Djibouti, and their increasingly violent threats to Taiwan, even going as far as to say that they will have a full invasion plan for Taiwan ready by 2020. Just because China is having better relationships with their neighbors does not mean that they are not making very ambitious moves to consolidate more power.
I'm a bit lost. What are we debating about?
We are debating on if the US should remain interventionist.
I have a request:
Please, do not have discussion real-life politics on the RMB.
The Discord server exists for a reason; specifically, for conversations like this one.
It allows much more fluid discussion, without tying up the RMB.
Here's a link to the server:
https://discord.gg/p5hCgwn
Clarkentrent
sorry lol
Have a coke and cookie kid 🍪🥤
The American Imperialists
People like me don't have access to Discord, so I appreciate the conversation on the rmb. I also don't see how this ties up the rmb. The only other conversation going on is about shrimp. I find the discussion intriguing, as I can not see such discussions on discord, and my access to information about such events is limited. This site is my main educator about the world today. Here, I can see several points of view on certain issues without having to visit different sites of varying biases. To have a single site where I can find all I need to know with enough searching is extremely convenient. I know that this site isn't the best source of information, but it's the best I have access to.
I know that you have mentioned your aversion for real-life politics on the rmb before, but if you don't like it so much, why don't you simply not read it? This site is based of nations and their politics, and many of the issues reflect real-life politics. Many other aspects of this site also reflect such politics (although new purposes for this site have been discovered). To be on this website and not to see any of it would be impossible.
Please know that I don't mean any disrespect towards you in saying this.
Unike, Some Random Lands, Bluximburg, Modern Israel, The Cincinnatus Republic
I understand that some people can't join the Discord for various reasons.
I am, however, slightly disappointed. Of the former AA regions, we are the second largest region.
However, we have less Discord participation that all save Narnia... and it's a dead region.
Clarkentrent, Some Random Lands
I would also prefer if we used the discord for long discussions like this. If you don't have access to Discord for whatever reason then feel free to use the RMB, but if you can use the Discord then please do so.
Bonnie Blue Republic
Ridgefield doesn't even use their rmb anymore. Their net value of participation between their rmb and discord is less than ours. Cape of Good Hope is a more lax environment and is designed to be social and casual. I have nations in Narnia and Conch Kingdom. Conch Kingdom is an anomaly, as their rmb is stunningly active and everyone there is talkative and has a tendency to converse. I can barely keep up and can only imagine how much more active their discord is. Narnia is a region where all events are based around August. He is Aslan in their region and without him, there is basically no point. This is my explanation on why each region is more active or less active than us on discord.
However, this is no excuse for inactivity. Our WFE advertises the exchange of ideas, but we don't take advantage of the opportunity. That was why I created Yarn-Fest. Which gave Lands End an opportunity to make something new and share ideas through stories. However, of all the regions invited to participate, Lands End has the lowest participation. We didn't get a single entry in the latest Yarn-Fest. Even though I advertised it the most heavily in our region and even put it on the WFE. Discord activity is definitely something we should strive to work towards, but it will take time. In both my CTO and COO campaigns as well as my State of the Region speech, I highlighted inactivity as one of the problems I tried to fix. I have to say we were successful on the rmb front, but since I do not have access to Discord, I don't have any power to make change there. We do have to give credit where it's due, though. Our rmb used to be dead, too. We would get 1-3 posts a day, if at all. So much has changed since then and we have made great strides. You are actually the first nation to advertise the discord on this rmb for as long as I can remember, and I think that is part of the problem. We need to make the Discord more public and announce it more often. This could help liven things up.
Unike, Bluximburg
I think having an exchange of ideas on the rmb does contribute value to the region as long as civility is maintained.
Unike, Okla-Texas, The Cincinnatus Republic
why did i join?
In all honesty, I agree that having an active RMB, is a great quality of our region. Nowadays, more than half of the regions in NationStates, have a dead RMB, and it's just sad.
Buryasia, Some Random Lands, Okla-Texas
Greetings, and I bid welcome to this New World! I am Capitalist Slime, a small, communist nation, who allows free trade. I am glad you reached out to me, as I was frequently attacked by my own people, under undesirable claims that I was an abusive, gay alcoholic who abused my power! I am glad to live a normal life as a shareholder, and I hope to be welcomed here in this new land!
Thanks! :)
Unike, The United Banking Associaton, Torranta, Wenchdom, The American Imperialists, Clarkentrent, Some Random Lands, The Cincinnatus Republic
Okay, thanks for notifying me, it won't happen again.
Torranta
Post self-deleted by Manavistan.
I don't want to be the grumpy old troll here, but this also is a type of spam, called Greeter Spam. Don't do it.
This too
Hello Lands End,
This is the nation of New Mi Ogden (Mi pronounced like my). I would like to introduce myself to this region. I invite you all to visit my nation and read up on it. If anyone has any questions feel free to send me a tellegram.
-New Mi Ogden
Unike, The United Banking Associaton, Torranta, The American Imperialists, Fanter Kesh, Okla-Texas, The Cincinnatus Republic
Hi guys!
I'm just coming back to Nation States, after having lost my old nation that I had about one or two years ago. Can't remember the name of it for the life of me. You seem like a neat region, and so here I am.
I think I saw that you guys do some RP here? I might try to join in, though I've never done any RP in the NationStates flavor, so I might be a bit rusty.
Cheers,
Linorik.
Unike, The Cincinnatus Republic
We do not run RP here; if you want to try and organize one, though, go for it.
Welcome to the region.
We occasionally have minor rp's, but have never had an organized one. I'd be glad to see what an RP would look like here. Someone should try and start one.
How do you put pictures in your Fact books?
Hmmmmm...
Would there be interest in an RP?
If we were to do one, I have a proposal:
The creation, using a puppet, of a region, which would then establish an embassy here,
thusly allowing RMB RP without tying up the RMB here.
Or would that be more trouble than it would be worth?
Some Random Lands
That sounds solid. I could make the region, but don't expect me to put too much work into it. I became Delegate to give myself a break.
I'll make the region and then we'll decide from there.
Just for transparency, I have four puppets right now:
[list]1. Tranqu- Conch Kingdom
2. Actuanto- Narnia
3. Xanadria- Cape of Good Hope[/list]
4. Holy Tharinlands- The Bar on the corner of ever region
I could use any of those four to build an RP region
Some Random Lands
I can use Moonshiners; it was my puppet in Dawn, which is closing.
Aww, but I really want to use one...
Than feel free.
Any rules on what to name it? Does it matter?
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