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Y'all are being so dramatic. Not double posting (when an edit button is available) is the easiest thing in the world. Not ejecting people is a close second. The cancer guilt trip is basically irrelevant, and so is the little "you'll have to banject me too" protest.

Double-posting people: just stop. Duh.

Iron-fisted managers: I just read your rules, and they say absolutely nothing about double posting. How did nobody notice this before flipping out at a bunch of noobs?

TL;DR: Buncha idjits, you lot. Nobody is approaching this intelligently.

Edit: checking to make sure the edit feature still works. Spoiler alert, it does. No excuses.

Nilas, Akaroa, Araluen Ranger Corps

Post self-deleted by Liberum Imperium.

North-West America wrote:Y'all are being so dramatic. Not double posting (when an edit button is available) is the easiest thing in the world. Not ejecting people is a close second. The cancer guilt trip is basically irrelevant, and so is the little "you'll have to banject me too" protest.

Double-posting people: just stop. Duh.

Iron-fisted managers: I just read your rules, and they say absolutely nothing about double posting. How did nobody notice this before flipping out at a bunch of noobs?

TL;DR: Buncha idjits, you lot. Nobody is approaching this intelligently.

Edit: checking to make sure the edit feature still works. Spoiler alert, it does. No excuses.

I'm not saying anything :)

Akaroa, Araluen Ranger Corps

Liberum Imperium wrote:I have never read...
You might as well have stopped right there, because clearly you did not read at all. (Either that, or your reading comprehension needs serious work, but I like giving the benefit of the doubt.)

Akaroa, Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:Y'all are being so dramatic. Not double posting (when an edit button is available) is the easiest thing in the world. Not ejecting people is a close second. The cancer guilt trip is basically irrelevant, and so is the little "you'll have to banject me too" protest.

Double-posting people: just stop. Duh.

Iron-fisted managers: I just read your rules, and they say absolutely nothing about double posting. How did nobody notice this before flipping out at a bunch of noobs?

TL;DR: Buncha idjits, you lot. Nobody is approaching this intelligently.

Edit: checking to make sure the edit feature still works. Spoiler alert, it does. No excuses.

Alright, thank you for your input, but this is a Lands End matter.

Nilas, Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:You might as well have stopped right there, because clearly you did not read at all. (Either that, or your reading comprehension needs serious work, but I like giving the benefit of the doubt.)

"cancer guilt trip"?? it's his life. not a guilt trip. I do appreciate your stance on the rules though. I do dmit that I stopped reading at "cancer guilt trip" out of shock.

I'll retract my previous statement

Araluen Ranger Corps

Bluximburg wrote:Alright, thank you for your input, but this is a Lands End matter.
One that you're handling so poorly, I noticed from all the way over here. I've got more NS leadership experience than any of you. You might want to listen.

Supero Omnia, Akaroa, Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:You might as well have stopped right there, because clearly you did not read at all. (Either that, or your reading comprehension needs serious work, but I like giving the benefit of the doubt.)

There is nothing dramatic about feeling sympathy for another human being. Also, just because a rule isn’t in a dispatch doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, and the “protest,” as you call is less of a protest and more of “hey, I don’t want to be in this region anymore if he’s not.” Also, the “guilt trip” is legit. There’s no way banjecting Modern Israel could possibly be the right thing to do in this situation.

Nilas, Xadrya, Bluximburg, Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:One that you're handling so poorly, I noticed from all the way over here. I've got more NS leadership experience than any of you. You might want to listen.

Please allow us to resolve the matter internally and refrain from interjecting yourself into our affairs. You basically insulted various groups of people in the region, and I think your insults were out of place. This matter does not concern you or Conch Kingdom. Thank you.

Nilas, Xadrya, Clarkentrent, Araluen Ranger Corps

Torranta wrote:There is nothing dramatic about feeling sympathy for another human being.
You're right, it's not. Know what is dramatic? Using it to gain leverage (ie, convincing someone not to kick you out of a region) in a browser game. That's beyond dramatic. It's a little gross.

Torranta wrote:Also, just because a rule isn’t in a dispatch doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
Where is it, then? Is it written anywhere? Don't blame the newbies for your government's inability to publish its own rules.

Torranta wrote:There’s no way banjecting Modern Israel could possibly be the right thing to do in this situation.
I agree that removing him would be terrible judgment, but it has nothing to do with the cancer story, because that has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to not double post, and only serves to distract from the situation.

Akaroa

North-West America wrote:You're right, it's not. Know what is dramatic? Using it to gain leverage (ie, convincing someone not to kick you out of a region) in a browser game. That's beyond dramatic. It's a little gross.

Where is it, then? Is it written anywhere? Don't blame the newbies for your government's inability to publish its own rules.

I agree that removing him would be terrible judgment, but it has nothing to do with the cancer story, because that has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to not double post, and only serves to distract from the situation.

HE didn't use anything. HE had accepted his sentence. I decided to share his story because I felt as though I had to do something.

Xadrya

North-West America wrote:You're right, it's not. Know what is dramatic? Using it to gain leverage (ie, convincing someone not to kick you out of a region) in a browser game. That's beyond dramatic. It's a little gross.

Where is it, then? Is it written anywhere? Don't blame the newbies for your government's inability to publish its own rules.

I agree that removing him would be terrible judgment, but it has nothing to do with the cancer story, because that has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to not double post, and only serves to distract from the situation.

We make the rules well known to newbies.

Nilas, Liberum Imperium

North-West America wrote:Y'all are being so dramatic. Not double posting (when an edit button is available) is the easiest thing in the world. Not ejecting people is a close second. The cancer guilt trip is basically irrelevant, and so is the little "you'll have to banject me too" protest.

Double-posting people: just stop. Duh.

Iron-fisted managers: I just read your rules, and they say absolutely nothing about double posting. How did nobody notice this before flipping out at a bunch of noobs?

TL;DR: Buncha idjits, you lot. Nobody is approaching this intelligently.

Edit: checking to make sure the edit feature still works. Spoiler alert, it does. No excuses.

As the COO of this region I must ask that you not insult our leadership. We justly punished the offenders, but the general populace fervently disagreed, so we changed our mind. That’s what a governnwnt is all about. Instead of serving the region itself, we chose to serve the people of the region, which is what any government should do. Considering this, I’d have to say your insult of the government was out of place and invalid.

Nilas, Xadrya, Liberum Imperium

North-West America wrote:You're right, it's not. Know what is dramatic? Using it to gain leverage (ie, convincing someone not to kick you out of a region) in a browser game. That's beyond dramatic. It's a little gross.

Where is it, then? Is it written anywhere? Don't blame the newbies for your government's inability to publish its own rules.

I agree that removing him would be terrible judgment, but it has nothing to do with the cancer story, because that has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to not double post, and only serves to distract from the situation.

Why are you commenting in our threads? Are you the designated ambassador from your region? I have filed a complain with your Ministry of Foreign Affairs. p.s.: Positive input is appreciated, but negative comments are not welcomed here, especially if you are representing your region.

Nilas, Clarkentrent, Liberum Imperium

Bluximburg wrote:Please allow us to resolve the matter internally and refrain from interjecting yourself into our affairs. You basically insulted various groups of people in the region, and I think your insults were out of place. This matter does not concern you or Conch Kingdom. Thank you.
I'm sure you're quite embarrassed to have certain officials' ineptitude pointed out so bluntly. Unfortunately, your embarrassment is not enough to silence me. I'll keep posting until someone decides to be a professional and own up to some mistakes.
Torranta wrote:We justly punished the offenders, but the general populace fervently disagreed, so we changed our mind. That’s what a governnwnt is all about.
There are so many things wrong here, I'm not sure where to begin.
Bluximburg wrote:Why are you commenting in our threads? Are you the designated ambassador from your region? I have filed a complain with your Ministry of Foreign Affairs. p.s.: Positive input is appreciated, but negative comments is not welcomed here, especially if you are representing your region.
I couldn't care less, and neither does CK. They've got nothing to do with this.

Honest Question: I thought we allowed any opinions in our RMB? I disagree but I thought people could say what they wanted here... I don't know, not experienced in embassy etiquette.

North-West America, Nilas, Supero Omnia

Bluximburg wrote:Why are you commenting in our threads? Are you the designated ambassador from your region? I have filed a complain with your Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

That’s not necessary.

North-West America wrote:

Where is it, then? Is it written anywhere? Don't blame the newbies for your government's inability to publish its own rules.

We give nations 2 warnings before taking action. If those 2 warnings don’t tell them and everyone who sees it what the rule is, that’s on them.

North-West America wrote:There are so many things wrong here, I'm not sure where to begin.

You cherry picked my words there. If you had taken into consideration what I said next, you would have noticed that I was talking about how a government should serve their people, not about changing our minds just because someone didn’t like our decision. I hate cherry picking.

Nilas

North-West America wrote:I'm sure you're quite embarrassed to have certain officials' ineptitude pointed out so bluntly. Unfortunately, your embarrassment is not enough to silence me. I'll keep posting until someone decides to be a professional and own up to some mistakes.There are so many things wrong here, I'm not sure where to begin.I couldn't care less, and neither does CK. They've got nothing to do with this.

HE didn't use anything. HE had accepted his sentence. I decided to share his story because I felt as though I had to do something. It seems you "missed" my message so I'll keep posting until you acknowledge what I'm saying and retract calling his life story "gross"

North-West America wrote:I'm sure you're quite embarrassed to have certain officials' ineptitude pointed out so bluntly. Unfortunately, your embarrassment is not enough to silence me. I'll keep posting until someone decides to be a professional and own up to some mistakes.There are so many things wrong here, I'm not sure where to begin.I couldn't care less, and neither does CK. They've got nothing to do with this.

Being a government that listens to the people's wishes is not a necessarily a negative thing.

Nilas, Bluximburg

Torranta wrote:We give nations 2 warnings before taking action. If those 2 warnings don’t tell them and everyone who sees it what the rule is, that’s on them.
I can't believe you think verbal warnings here and there are a valid substitute for a codified ruleset. My mind is blown.
Xadrya wrote:Honest Question: I thought we allowed any opinions in our RMB? I disagree but I thought people could say what they wanted here... I don't know, not experienced in embassy etiquette.
Apparently not.

Confederation Of Tesdai and Nosotalio, I call on you to remove the following from your WFE: "unrestricted exchange of goods and ideas" and "not getting offended." Clearly, those are not ideas your region's leadership believes in.

Yaangze

North-West America wrote:

Confederation Of Tesdai and Nosotalio, I call on you to remove the following from your WFE: "unrestricted exchange of goods and ideas" and "not getting offended." Clearly, those are not ideas your region's leadership believes in.

What you are sharing is not goods, and we are allowing your ideas to spread here. You just don’t seem to be able to comprehend the fact that we are allowed to share our ideas in return.

Nilas, Nosotalio, Xadrya, Bluximburg, Yaangze

Huh, I always wondered if banning someone would shut them up if they have embassy relations. I wonder if it worked?

Unike, New Jaedonstan, Xadrya, Liberum Imperium, Yaangze

Nosotalio wrote:Huh, I always wondered if banning someone would shut them up if they have embassy relations. I wonder if it worked?

Bravo!

Xadrya, Yaangze

Liberum Imperium wrote:I've been told the whole situation by Modern Israel (who I know IRL) about him being banjected,

and all I have to say is this:

Two months ago the player of Modern Israel (whose age I won't say on the internet, but is just a minor)watched his father be taken of life support after a four year battle against Mesothelioma (lung cancer). soon after, I told him about NS. The day he joined NS, he also joined Lands end, and at this point, Lands end is his only escape. (I'm aware he's told Xadrya and Torranta some of this already) On top of all that, the whole thing is that he just misunderstood what double posting was, It's not like anyone ever explained what it was. Anyway, my point is that if you: Nosotalio Torranta, Bonnie Blue Republic and whoever else is involved, do still banject him, you should all be ASHAMED of yourselfs! and not just because of the absurdity of the charges ( trust me, I know him, he didn't mean to break any rules, he thought that

he was following all of the rules perfectly). If after reading this, you people still ban/eject/banject him; you can ban me too!

I think It's important that everyone sees this. (especially those concerned with the case) I'm not "spamming" this or anything, just quoting myself once incase someone missed it. (and to remind nosey foreiners that I shared his story. not him)

Nosotalio, Xadrya, Yaangze

Liberum Imperium wrote:I think It's important that everyone sees this. (especially those concerned with the case) I'm not "spamming" this or anything, just quoting myself once incase someone missed it.

Thank you.

I'm going to bed. Good night folks, big day tomorrow. Hope the situation has been handled. :)

Nilas, Liberum Imperium, Yaangze

That was a mess.

Xadrya, Liberum Imperium, Modern Israel

Xadrya wrote:Thank you.

I'm going to bed. Good night folks, big day tomorrow. Hope the situation has been handled. :)

I hope so too.

Xadrya, Modern Israel

Liberum Imperium wrote:I think It's important that everyone sees this. (especially those concerned with the case) I'm not "spamming" this or anything, just quoting myself once incase someone missed it. (and to remind nosey foreiners that I shared his story. not him)

I do apologize for this. This whole situation was blown out of proportion. I will assure everyone that nothing like this will happen in the future.

Nilas, Liberum Imperium, Bluximburg, Modern Israel

We all have bad days. I’ll admit we messed up today, by trying to punish unjustly a nation. We tried our best to show our teeth a bit and get the double posting infestation under control but we ended up being in the wrong. Our panic to fix the situation clouded our judgement a bit and mistakes were made.

It seems as though every time a single situation comes up, our Board freaks out and blows things out of proportion. That’s on us. We will make certain to try to keep things in perspective in the future and to be more calm in these situations. Punishing nations for breaking the rules should not have been this catastrophic.

Nilas, Liberum Imperium, Modern Israel

Nosotalio wrote:I do apologize for this. This whole situation was blown out of proportion. I will assure everyone that nothing like this will happen in the future.

Modern Israel steam messaged me to tell everyone that he just felt mortified and logged of for the night a few hours ago, incase anyone has been trying to telegram him.

Liberum Imperium wrote:Modern Israel steam messaged me to tell everyone that he just felt mortified and logged of for the night a few hours ago, incase anyone has been trying to telegram him.

I hope he knows he is welcome here.

Nilas, Liberum Imperium, Modern Israel

I'm logging off for the night, I hope tomorrow is a better day for everyone.

Xadrya

Hello I am new to the game have any tips or anything?

Xadrya

Swayzy Land wrote:Hello I am new to the game have any tips or anything?

Yeah, check out this dispatch and don’t double post. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=878866

Nilas

Swayzy Land wrote:Hello I am new to the game have any tips or anything?

Welcome! If you have any questions about the region, or want to know how to become a shareholder,

see here

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=878866

Anything not answered there can be answered on the regional message board by one of our members.

Torranta wrote:Yeah, check out this dispatch and don’t double post.

I would put emphasis on don’t double post.

What Is double posting I want to be safe

Swayzy Land wrote:What Is double posting I want to be safe

It's posting right after another post of yours with no post of anyone else's in between. If you have more to add the edit button is always there.

Torranta, Xadrya

Swayzy Land wrote:What Is double posting I want to be safe

The worst sin you can possibly commit

New Jaedonstan, Xadrya, Araluen Ranger Corps

Welcome to December folks. A month to spend time with your family and friends or at the least take presents from other people. I'll be posting the RMB report for November tonight. Hope everyone has a nice day.

Clarkentrent, Araluen Ranger Corps, Yaangze

Wait, did You really ban NWA for insulting your government, that seems so familiar to me, oh wait that's what communes do, yep I'm leaving.

North-West America, Araluen Ranger Corps, Yaangze

Post self-deleted by Xadrya.

Calckuo wrote:Wait, did You really ban NWA for insulting your government, that seems so familiar to me, oh wait that's what communes do, yep I'm leaving.

The reason why NWA was banned was the way he insulted the government. The way he acted was completely childish, and what he was saying was definitely not helping the situation. I was planning on unbanning him after 24 hours, but Torranta beat me to it. I just wanted to ban him long enough, so the situation could fully be resolved.

Edit: But if you wish to leave, then go right ahead.

Xadrya, Bluximburg, Koriter, Araluen Ranger Corps

So, last night didn't look so good.

But I'm back and dandy. :)

Xadrya, Clarkentrent, Araluen Ranger Corps

Yaangze wrote:So, last night didn't look so good.

But I'm back and dandy. :)

Yeah. I think it's handled.

Modern Israel, Araluen Ranger Corps

Xadrya wrote:Welcome to December folks. A month to spend time with your family and friends or at the least take presents from other people. I'll be posting the RMB report for November tonight. Hope everyone has a nice day.

WOAH! We made it to December already! And it felt like Thanksgiving was at the start.

Merry December. :)

Xadrya, Koriter, Araluen Ranger Corps

Xadrya wrote:If Modern Israel is banjected so will I be.

Indeed, Senior Management. Torranta has it under control.

I as well

Modern Israel

Good Morning.

Araluen Ranger Corps

when do you think whats his face (srry I forget) to eject me?

Araluen Ranger Corps wrote:when do you think whats his face (srry I forget) to eject me?
Torrenta?

Araluen Ranger Corps

Torranta is one of my favorite government officials.

Xadrya, Araluen Ranger Corps

Araluen Ranger Corps wrote:when do you think whats his face (srry I forget) to eject me?

It will be Tesdai. Tes's presence here on NS has been increasingly low, so it might be a couple days.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Post by Lost Lion suppressed by Confederation Of Tesdai.

Lost Lion

Liberum Imperium wrote:I've been told the whole situation by Modern Israel (who I know IRL) about him being banjected,

and all I have to say is this:

Two months ago the player of Modern Israel (whose age I won't say on the internet, but is just a minor)watched his father be taken of life support after a four year battle against Mesothelioma (lung cancer). soon after, I told him about NS. The day he joined NS, he also joined Lands end, and at this point, Lands end is his only escape. (I'm aware he's told Xadrya and Torranta some of this already) On top of all that, the whole thing is that he just misunderstood what double posting was, It's not like anyone ever explained what it was. Anyway, my point is that if you: Nosotalio Torranta, Bonnie Blue Republic and whoever else is involved, do still banject him, you should all be ASHAMED of yourselfs! and not just because of the absurdity of the charges ( trust me, I know him, he didn't mean to break any rules, he thought that

he was following all of the rules perfectly). If after reading this, you people still ban/eject/banject him; you can ban me too!

Modern Israel has done a beautiful job on his Nation page, which truly does reflect and honor Israel. If he is banned, or simply chooses to move on, I know he will be much loved and welcomed in Kaisertum Osterreich, which may well be the home of his ancestors. This Austrian Habsburg Empire would be thrilled to have Galicia repopulated, as it was for centuries, by Jewish Nations.

Regards,

Lost Lion

.an experiment in anarchy.

Modern Israel, Araluen Ranger Corps

Lost Lion wrote:Modern Israel has done a beautiful job on his Nation page, which truly does reflect and honor Israel. If he is banned, or simply chooses to move on, I know he will be much loved and welcomed in Kaisertum Osterreich, which may well be the home of his ancestors. This Austrian Habsburg Empire would be thrilled to have Galicia repopulated, as it was for centuries, by Jewish Nations.

Regards,

Lost Lion

.an experiment in anarchy.

Our rmb board is not your region's recruitment tool. Thank you.

Koriter, Araluen Ranger Corps

The poll doesn't include Sufism Islam. Discrimination! Okay, not really, I'm just trolling. However, I do appreciate the more fleshed out poll.

Araluen Ranger Corps, Lost Lion

Hey guys Scarce here (excuse my dead meme) so some stuff went down last night. Maybe we should add no double posting to the regions dispatch just to stop incidents like this.

Koriter, Araluen Ranger Corps

Nosotalio wrote:I do apologize for this. This whole situation was blown out of proportion. I will assure everyone that nothing like this will happen in the future.

Looking back over the RMB, things got even crazier after I logged off for the night yesterday. A certain always well intentioned Liberum Imperium went a *bit* overboard and accused people of heartlessness; and a busy body from the Conch Kingdom said some very not nice things. Thank you to everyone who showed a lot of compassion towards me, and thank you government officials who have decided not to ban me (they'll just eject after which I can immediately come back, which I will, because I love this region). All the drama last night was pretty draining (for everyone involved I assume), so it would be very nice if things could just sort of go back to normal :)

Atkemri, Clarkentrent, Liberum Imperium, Bluximburg, Koriter, Araluen Ranger Corps

Saint Gloria wrote:The poll doesn't include Sufism Islam. Discrimination! Okay, not really, I'm just trolling. However, I do appreciate the more fleshed out poll.

IRL, dozens of Sufi were murdered by extra devout Sunni the other day in Egypt. Because the Sufi preach tolerance and spiritual enlightenment, it angers the crazies. Showing their name online, even in an obscure poll, can only be helpful.

Saint Gloria, Modern Israel, Araluen Ranger Corps

Nosotalio wrote:The reason why NWA was banned was the way he insulted the government. The way he acted was completely childish, and what he was saying was definitely not helping the situation.
Mind quoting my specific posts that violated your rules, as well as the rules that were broken? I'd also like to know when you plan on changing your WFE, if the CEO can cite "[being] insulted" as a reason to ban someone.

My public thanks to Torranta for being the only one with a scrap of professionalism.

Araluen Ranger Corps

hello what is going on right now

North-West America wrote:Mind quoting my specific posts that violated your rules, as well as the rules that were broken? I'd also like to know when you plan on changing your WFE, if the CEO can cite "[being] insulted" as a reason to ban someone.

My public thanks to Torranta for being the only one with a scrap of professionalism.

You don't think one thing back there may have been uncalled for considering the circumstances?

Araluen Ranger Corps

Atkemri wrote:You don't think one thing back there may have been uncalled for considering the circumstances?
I really don't, no. Like I said, specific posts and specific rules.

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:I really don't, no. Like I said, specific posts and specific rules.

Ok, I agree with some of your points from last night, for example, I think we should have our rules listed to avoid confusion. Despite that, I think everyone would appreciate it if we all didn't start this back up again.

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:I really don't, no. Like I said, specific posts and specific rules.

First and the one I find the most grievous is calling the story of someones relative dieing a 'sob story'. I have had close relatives die and it hurts a lot especially seeing that this game helped me deal with it. Seeing he is in the same situation being attacked in this community space is very inappropriate. You could have made yourself seem less hostile instead you became as hostile as possible against the government who had already decided on what would happen in the situation.

Modern Israel, Araluen Ranger Corps

Clarkentrent wrote:Despite that, I think everyone would appreciate it if we all didn't start this back up again.
Unfortunately, the only way to fix problems is to take a hard look at them and think about solutions. Shoving them under the bed and pretending everything's great is an excellent way to run into the same problems in the future.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Atkemri wrote:You don't think one thing back there may have been uncalled for considering the circumstances?

He was mostly correct. We messed up and that's on us. I don't like the way he treated Modern Israel's irl situation, though.

Modern Israel, Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:Unfortunately, the only way to fix problems is to take a hard look at them and think about solutions. Shoving them under the bed and pretending everything's great is an excellent way to run into the same problems in the future.

I agree. However, based off of the more recent posts getting back into this, it appears that whatever goal of fixing the issue at hand has been cast aside. If you and nations in our region wish to discuss whatever problems you deem there to be, such as the rules not being listed, please do that. Please do NOT get back into an argument that does not relate to the problem.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Torranta wrote:He was mostly correct. We messed up and that's on us. I don't like the way he treated Modern Israel's irl situation, though.

I'm just saying he could be less hostile.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Clarkentrent wrote:I agree. However, based off of the more recent posts getting back into this, it appears that whatever goal of fixing the issue at hand has been cast aside. If you and nations in our region wish to discuss whatever problems you deem there to be, such as the rules not being listed, please do that. Please do NOT get back into an argument that does not relate to the problem.
We're discussing a different issue now, the matter of the CEO banning me for insulting the government.
Atkemri wrote:First and the one I find the most grievous is calling the story of someones relative dieing a 'sob story'.
Wrong. Go back and re-read. I never said those words. That would imply that I thought the story was false or exaggerated. Someone dying in real life is sad, but has absolutely nothing to do with double posting on NationStates. I can't believe I still have to say that.

Edit: If the story had been posted on its own, I wouldn't have said anything critical. However, a terminal illness was used by a third party to justify something in-game, and I have a problem with that. Does that make sense yet?

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:We're discussing a different issue now, the matter of the CEO banning me for insulting the government.Wrong. Go back and re-read. I never said those words. That would imply that I thought the story was false or exaggerated. Someone dying in real life is sad, but has absolutely nothing to do with double posting on NationStates. I can't believe I still have to say that.

The issue was about if he'd be banjected or not. It was not about double posting

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:We're discussing a different issue now, the matter of the CEO banning me for insulting the government.Wrong. Go back and re-read. I never said those words. That would imply that I thought the story was false or exaggerated. Someone dying in real life is sad, but has absolutely nothing to do with double posting on NationStates. I can't believe I still have to say that.

To be fair, you didn't say sob story. You said "guilt trip", which I think is just as terrible.

North-West America wrote:Y'all are being so dramatic. Not double posting (when an edit button is available) is the easiest thing in the world. Not ejecting people is a close second. The cancer guilt trip is basically irrelevant, and so is the little "you'll have to banject me too" protest.

Double-posting people: just stop. Duh.

Iron-fisted managers: I just read your rules, and they say absolutely nothing about double posting. How did nobody notice this before flipping out at a bunch of noobs?

TL;DR: Buncha idjits, you lot. Nobody is approaching this intelligently.

Edit: checking to make sure the edit feature still works. Spoiler alert, it does. No excuses.

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:We're discussing a different issue now, the matter of the CEO banning me for insulting the government.

Alright. Do that. I just ask you and everyone else who chooses to involve themselves in the discussion to do so in a polite manner. We had an angry and hostile argument last night on our RMB and we should avoid having one again.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Atkemri wrote:The issue was about if he'd be banjected or not. It was not about double posting
...whether he'd be ejected for double posting. Or was there another offense that nobody mentioned in public?

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:We're discussing a different issue now, the matter of the CEO banning me for insulting the government.Wrong. Go back and re-read. I never said those words. That would imply that I thought the story was false or exaggerated. Someone dying in real life is sad, but has absolutely nothing to do with double posting on NationStates. I can't believe I still have to say that.

Edit: If the story had been posted on its own, I wouldn't have said anything critical. However, a terminal illness was used by a third party to justify something in-game, and I have a problem with that. Does that make sense yet?

hey you are just an embassy stay out of our regions problems especially after they are already solved

Liberum Imperium

Liberum Imperium wrote:To be fair, you didn't say sob story. You said "guilt trip", which I think is just as terrible.
North-West America wrote: Someone dying in real life is sad, but has absolutely nothing to do with double posting on NationStates. I can't believe I still have to say that.

Edit: If the story had been posted on its own, I wouldn't have said anything critical. However, a terminal illness was used by a third party to justify something in-game, and I have a problem with that. Does that make sense yet?

Araluen Ranger Corps

Araluen Ranger Corps wrote:hey you are just an embassy stay out of our regions problems especially after they are already solved

Please just stay out of our region's problems before you are our regions problem

Liberum Imperium

Liberum Imperium wrote:To be fair, you didn't say sob story. You said "guilt trip", which I think is just as terrible.

Well ether way it's just as bad. North West America the reason you were banned is for being hostile. In all my time in Land's End not once has arguing like that occured. You came in,insulted people,called someones death a guilt trip,and were generally hostile to all involved. To be 100% honest seeing as you came back after your first ban and attempt to start something else I would have permanently banned you from this point onwards.

Liberum Imperium, Araluen Ranger Corps

Araluen Ranger Corps wrote:Please just stay out of our region's problems before you are our regions problem
No, and stop liking everyone's posts.
Atkemri wrote:North West America the reason you were banned is for being hostile.
That's not a rule in your region.
Atkemri wrote:called someones death a guilt trip
No, I didn't.
Atkemri wrote:...and were generally hostile to all involved
Also incorrect, or do facts matter to nobody anymore?
Atkemri wrote:To be 100% honest seeing as you came back after your first ban and attempt to start something else I would have permanently banned you from this point onwards.
Go for it. It'll only prove me right about your government.

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:Y'all are being so dramatic. Not double posting (when an edit button is available) is the easiest thing in the world. Not ejecting people is a close secondThe cancer guilt trip is basically irrelevant, and so is the little "you'll have to banject me too" protest.

Double-posting people: just stop. Duh.

Iron-fisted managers: I just read your rules, and they say absolutely nothing about double posting. How did nobody notice this before flipping out at a bunch of noobs?

TL;DR: Buncha idjits, you lot. Nobody is approaching this intelligently.

Edit: checking to make sure the edit feature still works. Spoiler alert, it does. No excuses.

Reading comprehension, folks. Reading comprehension. There is a severe lack of it around here. For the tenth time, the death itself was not a guilt trip (that wouldn't even make logical sense). Its use for in-game leverage was.

North-West America wrote:Someone dying in real life is sad, but has absolutely nothing to do with double posting on NationStates. I can't believe I still have to say that.

Edit: If the story had been posted on its own, I wouldn't have said anything critical. However, a terminal illness was used by a third party to justify something in-game, and I have a problem with that.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Post by Koriter suppressed by Confederation Of Tesdai.

Koriter

You know, it's people like you that make people so angry. Get out of here beatch.

Atkemri, Liberum Imperium, Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:Reading comprehension, folks. Reading comprehension. There is a severe lack of it around here. For the tenth time, the death itself was not a guilt trip (that wouldn't even make logical sense). Its use for in-game leverage was.

Why are you still meddling our region's affairs? If you want to make a positive contribution to healthy discussion, then you are more than welcome to do so. I am not questioning the validity of the points that you make, I am questioning your etiquette in doing so.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Koriter wrote:You know, it's people like you that make people so angry. Get out of here beatch.
No.
Bluximburg wrote:Why are you still meddling our region's affairs? If you want to make a positive contribution to healthy discussion, then you are more than welcome to do so. I am not questioning the validity of the points that you make, I am questioning your etiquette in doing so.
I'm still waiting for a response to my question about why exactly I was banned. I see no evidence that my posts are not a "positive contribution to healthy discussion" or in breach of etiquette.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Koriter wrote:You know, it's people like you that make people so angry. Get out of here beatch.

North-West America wrote:Reading comprehension, folks. Reading comprehension. There is a severe lack of it around here. For the tenth time, the death itself was not a guilt trip (that wouldn't even make logical sense). Its use for in-game leverage was.

Araluen Ranger Corps wrote:Please just stay out of our region's problems before you are our regions problem

(I am using the above quotes as an example only, not "calling anyone out")

Maybe, just maybe, it is possible, that we could all disagree, argue why our own points are better, and all while being, get this, polite. Perhaps it's even a possibility that we could agree to disagree and drop it.

Revolutionary idea, I know.

Bluximburg, Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:Reading comprehension, folks. Reading comprehension. There is a severe lack of it around here. For the tenth time, the death itself was not a guilt trip (that wouldn't even make logical sense). Its use for in-game leverage was.

He explained he came here because death of his father,you said that was a guilty trip,being in the same situation I know that games and places like this help with the mourning,saying that it is a guilt trip is wrong end of story,I will ignore you unless you say something absolutely abhorrent.

Koriter, Araluen Ranger Corps

Clarkentrent wrote:argue why our own points are better, and all while being, get this, polite.
I can get behind that. I hope you can understand, though, how frustrating it is to explain oneself over and over, while others refuse to read.
Clarkentrent wrote:Perhaps it's even a possibility that we could agree to disagree and drop it.
I'm afraid that's not going to happen, for reasons I've mentioned earlier.

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:I can get behind that. I hope you can understand, though, how frustrating it is to explain oneself over and over, while others refuse to read.I'm afraid that's not going to happen, for reasons I've mentioned earlier.

Perhaps you should stop commenting on our rmb, and maybe the whole situation would go away.

Unike, Atkemri, Liberum Imperium, Koriter, Modern Israel, Araluen Ranger Corps

Bluximburg wrote:Perhaps you should stop commenting on our rmb, and maybe the whole situation would go away.

Amen to that

Unike, Liberum Imperium, Bluximburg, Koriter, Modern Israel, Araluen Ranger Corps

just leave us alone we are trying to figure stuff out and you are just an embassy

Liberum Imperium, Koriter

Bluximburg wrote:Perhaps you should stop commenting on our rmb, and maybe the whole situation would go away.
Yes, I'm sure you'd love it if everyone just ignored the mistakes your government has made, but I'm going to stick around until my questions are answered.

Araluen Ranger Corps wrote:just leave us alone we are trying to figure stuff out and you are just an embassy
No you're not. You're trying to pretend nothing ever happened. I'm not "an embassy," that doesn't make sense. I'm someone who was unjustly banned from your region.

Araluen Ranger Corps

North-West America wrote:Yes, I'm sure you'd love it if everyone just ignored the mistakes your government has made, but I'm going to stick around until my questions are answered.

What are you questions. Please tell us all of them, and maybe we can answer them (politely) to end this.

Araluen Ranger Corps

get out you are annoying and disturbing the peace of our region "leave now and never come back" Smeagel said to Golem

Bluximburg

The government has already corrected the problem. There is no reason to continue this.

Bluximburg, Araluen Ranger Corps

hello Im new here Araluen Ranger Corps recruited me

Unike, Araluen Ranger Corps

Clarkentrent wrote:What are you questions. Please tell us all of them, and maybe we can answer them (politely) to end this.
1. Why exactly was I banned? I'd like to know the posts I made that violated your rules, and which rules were violated.

2. Should someone criticize the government again, will it respond in the same way?

Those are the big ones. I'm also interested in knowing if the government will actually eject anyone for violating rules that are not codified anywhere, like double posting or being hostile.

Araluen Ranger Corps

Atkemri wrote:The government has already corrected the problem. There is no reason to continue this.

Thats what I've been saying

Usrd wrote:hello Im new here Araluen Ranger Corps recruited me

Welcome we are in the middle of a large scale argument (don't worry this isn't often and was started by someone who isn't in the region)

Liberum Imperium, Araluen Ranger Corps

Wow glad we all understand that I have requested the Embassy shut down and all his quotes suppressed

OOC: Hello Usrd welcome Me and Yaangze are likebots we like everything regardless of content

Usrd

North-West America wrote:1. Why exactly was I banned? I'd like to know the posts I made that violated your rules, and which rules were violated.

2. Should someone criticize the government again, will it respond in the same way?

Those are the big ones. I'm also interested in knowing if the government will actually eject anyone for violating rules that are not codified anywhere, like double posting or being hostile.

I'd like to think not being hostile was just common etiquette. Guess I was wrong and you have to specifically state not to be a jerk. Torranta has also explained why you shouldn't double post. It makes the RMB look unprofessional and sloppy.

Koriter, Araluen Ranger Corps

I wish Paganism was on that poll tbh

Araluen Ranger Corps

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