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Lack There Of wrote:Literally all of them

From what I remember, approximately 0 parts of the Constitution mention markets or commerce, except that one part that allows the Feds to regulate interstate commerce and also the amendment about booze being illegal.

Miencraft wrote:From what I remember, approximately 0 parts of the Constitution mention markets or commerce, except that one part that allows the Feds to regulate interstate commerce and also the amendment about booze being illegal.

Yay booze!

Miencraft wrote:From what I remember, approximately 0 parts of the Constitution mention markets or commerce, except that one part that allows the Feds to regulate interstate commerce and also the amendment about booze being illegal.

Government is inherently incompatible with a true free market society. While a minarchist state may promote seemingly laissez faire policies, so long as the state maintains its monopoly of force and maintains its life blood through taxation it will never allow for an actual free market in which all transactions are voluntary. The constitution of the US is no exception.

Miencraft wrote:From what I remember, approximately 0 parts of the Constitution mention markets or commerce, except that one part that allows the Feds to regulate interstate commerce and also the amendment about booze being illegal.

Exactly

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Communal Militia wrote:Free market is as utopian as pure communism in contemporary society. Market need will always exceed the given amount of a resource. It will always take more and more until nothing is left. It will always have high concentrations of distribution in the places where there is the most money, where it is almost non existent in places with no money. With an unlimited span of the market, it will exempt everyone who has no money from it, and it will always benefit the people with the most. It will always starve and deplete whatever is in its way. Its capitalist monopolization plain and simple.

So capitalism creates excesses, therefore,

all the excesses will stay in one place, because

nobody outside of that place will have a demand for the excesses because

what

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Exactly

see below

Lack There Of wrote:Government is inherently incompatible with a true free market society. While a minarchist state may promote seemingly laissez faire policies, so long as the state maintains its monopoly of force and maintains its life blood through taxation it will never allow for an actual free market in which all transactions are voluntary. The constitution of the US is no exception.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:So capitalism creates excesses, therefore,

all the excesses will stay in one place, because

nobody outside of that place will have a demand for the excesses because

what

That's true

I tried looking in my pocket constitution and found nothing.

Fontes Iuris Germanici Antiqu wrote:I tried looking in my pocket constitution and found nothing.

Okay, I thought so.

Fontes Iuris Germanici Antiqu wrote:I tried looking in my pocket constitution and found nothing.

Now I don't feel like the biggest political geek in the world for having one. Thanks man *high five*

Ankha wrote:Ha ^

It came with my information packet for the Libertarian Party.. that and a bumper sticker :)

*Gives Muh a taco for early bday*

Muh Roads wrote:Now I don't feel like the biggest political geek in the world for having one. Thanks man *high five*

*high fives*

Look. This is in my national happenings:

3 hours ago: Following new legislation in Ankha, the nation's favourite colour is pink (Ankha has found 1 easter egg).

Lets just get some self evident truths out there.

1) The state is incompatible with a free market

2) The constitution outlines the duty of the American Government

Thus, we can deduce that the constitution is an inherently anti-free market document. While it may be one of the better written constitutions of the world, this does not exclude it from the realities of what government actually is

Lack There Of wrote:Lets just get some self evident truths out there.

[B][B]1) The state is incompatible with a free market[/B][/B]

2) The constitution outlines the duty of the American Government

Thus, we can deduce that the constitution is an inherently anti-free market document. While it may be one of the better written constitutions of the world, this does not exclude it from the realities of what government actually is

Lol, you have that reversed. The free market is incompatible without the state.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Lol, you have that reversed. The free market is incompatible without the state.

Unless he is trying to sound like communal

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Unless he is trying to sound like communal

Which hopefully no one ever is..

Ankha wrote:Which hopefully no one ever is..

Ha

The free market existed before the government and would still exist without a government. The free market is essentially just billions of voluntary human actions and interactions, all done in self-interest.

Pevvania wrote:The free market existed before the government and would still exist without a government. The free market is essentially just billions of voluntary human actions and interactions, all done in self-interest.

We are concerned that the government is trying to do away with it

Our government does alot of BS.

Then uses more BS to cover it up. :P

Ankha wrote:*Gives Muh a taco for early bday*

Woo! Thanks. I mean, It's next year but i'll never refuse a free taco.

19 yea's to APPEAL? =')

Muh Roads wrote:Woo! Thanks. I mean, It's next year but i'll never refuse a free taco.

EARLY!

Muh Roads wrote:19 yea's to APPEAL? =')

Ya. We could close the poll now if it didnt de;ete when you do, but this ones over.

Evening................Gents.

A Mysterious Man wrote:Evening................Gents.

Evenin, welcome to Libertatem!

A Mysterious Man wrote:Evening................Gents.

*equally mysteriously* Hello....*disappears into shadows, turns on Back in Black and makes entrance*

Any of you fine gentleman interested in buying a watch? *opens up trench coat to reveal thousands of pockets full of watches*

Yes, yes I am.

*slides out metal case full of millions of dollars*

Ankha wrote:Yes, yes I am.

*slides out metal case full of millions of dollars*

Thank you sir your patronage is appreciated. *hands over watch then disappears into the shadows*

Of course *opens face of watch to reveal smuggled crack*

Ankha wrote:Of course *opens face of watch to reveal smuggled crack*

I hope you enjoy it, that is my "special" blend.

WATCHES FOR SALE, WATCHES FOR SALE!!!!! COME AND GET UA NICE SHINY WATCHES HERE!!!!!

HEY LIBERTATEM BUY EH WATCH AND YOU'LL FIND A SURPRISE INSIDE.

Get yer flags and map spots heah!

Mien, my computer isnt taking the file of imgur.

Ankha wrote:Mien, my computer isnt taking the file of imgur.

What?

My computer blocks the map as a virus.

Ankha wrote:My computer blocks the map as a virus.

Why are you trying to download it?

Im trying to view it. I have a virus filter.

Ankha wrote:Im trying to view it. I have a virus filter.

Turn it off?

Ankha wrote:Ya.....

I mean, if it blocks off a .png image because of viruses, you shouldn't have that filter on your computer. It's probably malware.

The software, I built it......its not malware, I think its just very sensitive to Imgur. Anyway, I got it.

Ankha wrote:The software, I built it......its not malware, I think its just very sensitive to Imgur. Anyway, I got it.

Well, then, looks like you've got work to do.

Miencraft wrote:Well, then, looks like you've got work to do.

Ya, it doesnt like mass file sharing sites.

Newest WA resolution

>Liberate Hell

Okay..

Map is now larger so that adding more room for labels doesn't keep making it comparatively smaller.

Thanks to "Unbiased America" FB page:

So how's SeaTac, Washington's new $15/hr minimum wage going? Very predictably:

“While attending an event at a SeaTac hotel last week, I met two women who receive the $15/hour minimum wage. SeaTac has implemented the new law on Jan. 1. I met the women while they were working. One was a waitress and the other was cleaning the hallway.

‘Are you happy with the $15 wage?’ I asked the full-time cleaning lady.

‘It sounds good, but it’s not good,’ the woman said.

‘Why?’ I asked.

‘I lost my 401k, health insurance, paid holiday, and vacation,’ she responded. ‘No more free food,’ she added. The hotel used to feed her. Now, she has to bring her own food. Also, no overtime, she said. She used to work extra hours and received overtime pay. What else? I asked.

‘I have to pay for parking,’ she said. I then asked the part-time waitress, who was part of the catering staff.

‘Yes, I’ve got $15 an hour, but all my tips are now much less,’ she said. Before the new wage law was implemented, her hourly wage was $7. But her tips added to more than $15 an hour. Yes, she used to receive free food and parking. Now, she has to bring her own food and pay for parking.”

SOURCE: http://www.nwasianweekly.com/2014/05/blog-seatac-tells-us-15-minimum-wage/

And my dumbass state is making minimum wage $9.25 by 2018

In case you were having a good morning,

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/19/ron-paul-glenn-beck-appear-next-atlas-shrugged-mov/

Lack There Of wrote:In case you were having a good morning,

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/19/ron-paul-glenn-beck-appear-next-atlas-shrugged-mov/

I hope Ron punches Glenn in his flip-floppy lips.

Muh Roads wrote:I hope Ron punches Glenn in his flip-floppy lips.

I'd buy a ticket just to watch that

On an unrelated note, Libertatem has still not sent a representative to REATO. While this region is not required to send one in order to engage in the organization's operations, a representative is necessary for achieving full member status and voting on proposals that affect the organization as a whole.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:On an unrelated note, Libertatem has still not sent a representative to REATO. While this region is not required to send one in order to engage in the organization's operations, a representative is necessary for achieving full member status and voting on proposals that affect the organization as a whole.

Well, I can act as temporary Libertatem representative to REATO. I can stay as REATO representative until Seafieldia has formally applied for REATO membership. Well that is, if Pev agrees.

This nation, which had been in Libertatem for about 3 weeks before I decided to join Libertatem, will be sent to Reato if Pev agrees.

Muh Roads wrote:Thanks to "Unbiased America" FB page:

So how's SeaTac, Washington's new $15/hr minimum wage going? Very predictably:

“While attending an event at a SeaTac hotel last week, I met two women who receive the $15/hour minimum wage. SeaTac has implemented the new law on Jan. 1. I met the women while they were working. One was a waitress and the other was cleaning the hallway.

‘Are you happy with the $15 wage?’ I asked the full-time cleaning lady.

‘It sounds good, but it’s not good,’ the woman said.

‘Why?’ I asked.

‘I lost my 401k, health insurance, paid holiday, and vacation,’ she responded. ‘No more free food,’ she added. The hotel used to feed her. Now, she has to bring her own food. Also, no overtime, she said. She used to work extra hours and received overtime pay. What else? I asked.

‘I have to pay for parking,’ she said. I then asked the part-time waitress, who was part of the catering staff.

‘Yes, I’ve got $15 an hour, but all my tips are now much less,’ she said. Before the new wage law was implemented, her hourly wage was $7. But her tips added to more than $15 an hour. Yes, she used to receive free food and parking. Now, she has to bring her own food and pay for parking.”

SOURCE: http://www.nwasianweekly.com/2014/05/blog-seatac-tells-us-15-minimum-wage/

I'm surprised the workers were even treated this well. McDonald's has not been so kind, and has begun arming itself with automated machinery in preparation for a minimum wage increase.

Honestly, why do liberals have to be so ignorant? No serious economic school of thought advocates increasing the minimum wage. Nada. Even the old-school Keynesians - the real Keynesians, rather than pseudo-economists like Paul Krugman of the modern era - were opposed to minimum wage legislation because of its damaging economic effects. Paul Samuelson, the second-most prominent Keynesian after the school's founder, once wrote about a proposal to raise the minimum wage: "What good does it do a black youth to know that an employer must pay him $2.00 an hour if the fact that he must be paid that amount is what keeps him from getting a job?"

This is yet more proof that liberals just blindly follow their impulses, judging policy ideas by their intentions rather than their results. Modern liberalism itself is a creed built fundamentally on ignorance. They don't even support civil liberties anymore. To paraphrase Hayek, if liberals understood economics, they wouldn't be liberals.

More delicious data on minimum wage laws that will drive statists crazy:

http://being-classical-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/john-green-is-heroon-left.html

http://being-classical-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/does-australias-minimum-wage-defy-laws.html

http://being-classical-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/have-wages-fallen-behind-productivity.html

http://being-classical-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/myth-australia-has-16-minimum-wage-with.html

http://being-classical-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-free-market-and-working-people.html

Muh Roads wrote:And my dumbass state is making minimum wage $9.25 by 2018

Ignorance. Ignorance everywhere.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:On an unrelated note, Libertatem has still not sent a representative to REATO. While this region is not required to send one in order to engage in the organization's operations, a representative is necessary for achieving full member status and voting on proposals that affect the organization as a whole.

Since you're the foreign affairs manager, can you send one?

The Seafield Islands In Libertatem wrote:Well, I can act as temporary Libertatem representative to REATO. I can stay as REATO representative until Seafieldia has formally applied for REATO membership. Well that is, if Pev agrees.

I approve.

Fun facts about Australia:

-$10 minimum wage

-Highest cost of living in the world

-50% higher consumer prices than in America

-20% lower local purchasing power

-Largest regulatory burden in the OECDs

-Near-complete ban on guns

Leaving that place was like escaping Cuba.

Pevvania wrote:

Leaving that place was like escaping Cuba.

So we should avoid it like it were Cuba, but not as much as if it were North Korea? Got it.

This is far overdue: thank you sincerely to all who aided the restoration of The New British Empire.

Sure Pevv ^ We got badges!

Pevvania wrote:This is far overdue: thank you sincerely to all who aided the restoration of The New British Empire.

Oh hey! I was there too! and still am!

Oymyakon wrote:Oh hey! I was there too! and still am!

Hi there, Oymyakon, and welcome to Libertatem!

Oymyakon wrote:Oh hey! I was there too! and still am!

Meet Vandoosa. The most interesting....woman/other in the world!

Yes! Me the most cutest nation ever!

What about [nation=vandoosa] and [nation=vando0sa]?

Oymyakon wrote:Yes! Me the most cutest nation ever!

Nice to know. So, are you here on diplomatic or unofficial business?

Pevvania wrote:Nice to know. So, are you here on diplomatic or unofficial business?

I am not here for any real reason at all.. just mostly to mess with Ankha who randomly started chatting with me.

Pevvania wrote:Nice to know. So, are you here on diplomatic or unofficial business?

Shes trying to follow all of my nations.

Ankha wrote:Shes trying to follow all of my nations.

Nope! just this one! Though I am curious who you are.. you seem to know things from my past as a new cute nation..

Oymyakon wrote:Nope! just this one! Though I am curious who you are.. you seem to know things from my past as a new cute nation..

I know alot of things, about alot of people...anyway...

Ankha wrote:Meet Vandoosa. The most interesting....woman/other in the world!

You mean they have women on the internet?

Miencraft wrote:You mean they have women on the internet?

Yes! There are no women on the internet!

this is ground-breaking

UCR's trying so very hard to alienate us from traditional libertarian regions, but what I don't think they realise is that they're basically painting big signs on their heads reading "Libertatem can attack here now"

Pevvania wrote:Fun facts about Australia:

-$10 minimum wage

-Highest cost of living in the world

-50% higher consumer prices than in America

-20% lower local purchasing power

-Largest regulatory burden in the OECDs

-Near-complete ban on guns

Leaving that place was like escaping Cuba.

And there was me thinking you like the place ;) :P

All that may be true...

But it's still Americans dying of poor health, not Australians :P

http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/

http://www.who.int/countries/aus/en/

Better alive and poorer than rich and dead-er.

Pevvania wrote:UCR's trying so very hard to alienate us from traditional libertarian regions, but what I don't think they realise is that they're basically painting big signs on their heads reading "Libertatem can attack here now"

They prefer war to peace; to them, and any authoritarian, it means opportunity. They are unfazed by our ability to take down despotic regimes by force, but recoil at the horrible thought of our diplomats making friends with others on the common ground of liberty.

Nonetheless, with the return of their more reasonable founder, they will gradually cease their childish antics. Tyrants, after all, have very short lifespans.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:They prefer war to peace; to them, and any authoritarian, it means opportunity. They are unfazed by our ability to take down despotic regimes by force, but recoil at the horrible thought of our diplomats making friends with others on the common ground of liberty.

Nonetheless, with the return of their more reasonable founder, they will gradually cease their childish antics. Tyrants, after all, have very short lifespans.

True.

The Seafield Islands In Libertatem wrote:Well, I can act as temporary Libertatem representative to REATO. I can stay as REATO representative until Seafieldia has formally applied for REATO membership. Well that is, if Pev agrees.

I would disagree with Pev's approval of Seafield's Ambassador to represent the region. I get that he has history, but I think that a permanent, main nation citizen should represent the region, but hey. I'm not president.

On an unrelated note: my hiatus is over now.

Humpheria wrote:I would disagree with Pev's approval of Seafield's Ambassador to represent the region. I get that he has history, but I think that a permanent, main nation citizen should represent the region, but hey. I'm not president.

On an unrelated note: my hiatus is over now.

YAY!

Humpheria wrote:I would disagree with Pev's approval of Seafield's Ambassador to represent the region. I get that he has history, but I think that a permanent, main nation citizen should represent the region, but hey. I'm not president.

On an unrelated note: my hiatus is over now.

I second this concern. Welcome back humpster, without you this place is a dumpster

Lack There Of wrote:I second this concern. Welcome back humpster, without you this place is a dumpster

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