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I'm pretty sure I voted for HOLIDAY.

Condealism

Pevvania wrote:I'm pretty sure I voted for HOLIDAY.

That's all I needed. I'mma add it to the laws.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:I'm pretty sure I voted for HOLIDAY.

Close enough

Pevvania, The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:I, ah, don't believe anyone offered, but suit yourself.

Sir-- we're all out of suits...

Rateria, Uadilifu

Pevvania wrote:I'm pretty sure I voted for HOLIDAY.

Donald Trump: "Pretty sure I ran for President"

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Communisim, Uadilifu

Jadentopian Order wrote:Sir-- we're all out of suits...

Like a lazy tailor would say, "[make a] suit yourself!"

Rateria, Uadilifu

Humpheria wrote: I withdraw my name from contention for the 4th seat and concede the election to our newest Senator-elect, Gaelic. We are behind you, sir.

Condealism wrote:I, ah, don't believe anyone offered, but suit yourself.

The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:Like a lazy tailor would say, "[make a] suit yourself!"

See, here's the thing: I'm not a tailor either.

This is kind of embarrassing. Galeic are you sure you don't want to be a Senator?

Now, uh, who has the HOLIDAY act? I need a link to it to be able to copy it into the laws...

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:By becoming senator.

You should take the seat. Not many people with your integrity and passion.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu

Humpheria wrote:This is kind of embarrassing. Galeic are you sure you don't want to be a Senator?

The point is moot anyway; I don't believe you can withdraw yourself from contention after a conclusive result. At least, no one has before; not even me.

Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots

Humpheria wrote:This is kind of embarrassing. Galeic are you sure you don't want to be a Senator?

Of course I want to be a Senator. But the people voted for you. I want to be elected by the people. Not by concession.

The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu

Jadentopian Order wrote:You should take the seat. Not many people with your integrity and passion.

I didn't win. The seat is not mine to take.

Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu

So be it. Wait around a little while Gaelic.

Thank you for your support, Libertatem and I hope I can honor the integrity of my opponent in serving you.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Uadilifu, Gaelic Eire Nua

Miencraft wrote:Now, uh, who has the HOLIDAY act? I need a link to it to be able to copy it into the laws...

[spoiler=HOLIDAY Act (Modern)]HOLIDAY Act

Honor of Occurrences Legally Identified by Dates and Anniversaries Yearly Act

Section I

Subsection I

The Senate is hereby granted power to establish official holidays and observances, celebrated once yearly, by majority vote.

Subsection II

The President is hereby granted power to establish official holidays and observances, celebrated once yearly, and to sign treaties involving the establishment thereof, by executive order.

Subsection III

A holiday is defined as a day, or multiple consecutive days, on which government activity is suspended in recognition of an event of cultural significance to the people of Libertatem.

Subsection IV

An observance is defined as the recognition of an event of some cultural significance to the people of Libertatem, but not to the degree warranting the suspension of government activity on that day.

Subsection V

The Senate is hereby granted power to cease observing an official holiday or observance by majority vote, except for those established via treaty.

Subsection VI

The Senate is hereby granted power to establish a one-time (not to be repeated yearly) holiday on a day of their choosing, or to cease observing an official holiday or observance established via treaty, by unanimous vote.

Section II

Subsection I

No more than twenty-four holidays, not counting observances, are to be celebrated each year by suspension of government activity.

Subsection II

A holiday may consist of no more than seven days and no fewer than one day, and holidays consisting of more than one day are also referred to as a recess.

Subsection III

In the event that more than ten official yearly holidays, not counting observances or recesses, are established, the Senate must decide on which holidays are to be classified as observances until there are ten or fewer.

Section III

Subsection I

This Act shall establish Libertatem-IRU Unification Day (May 6th) and Founder's Day (August 6th) as official yearly holidays.

Subsection II

This Act shall establish the Christmas holiday as an official yearly recess lasting from December 23rd until December 26th.[/spoiler]

Humpheria wrote:So be it. Wait around a little while Gaelic.

Thank you for your support, Libertatem and I hope I can honor the integrity of my opponent in serving you.

Well, perhaps you could sponsor the bill that I will submit soon

Rateria, Condealism

Thank you all. God bless you.

Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

Where are my votes dahnald

The States Of Balloon wrote:Where are my votes dahnald

You're not even voting for you.

Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order, Gaelic Eire Nua

Miencraft wrote:You're not even voting for you.

I feel that would be an underhanded tactic.

This has been an interesting tonight.

Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, The States Of Balloon, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

I will be releasing an official statement. A full one. Very shortly

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

I support free speech and the First Amendment 100%.

But if Trump suddenly deported all the Antifa members, feminists and radical socialists that hate the Constitution to North Korea and Venezuela... I wouldn't complain.

Miencraft, The States Of Balloon, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I didn't win. The seat is not mine to take.

Well then, if you need any help writing bills, ideas, etc- The ACA (it's alliance!!) and the church of Lewdomenism will always welcome you. You've proven yourself to be a worthy politician and a very respectable person. mhomen bless

Rateria, Condealism, Gaelic Eire Nua

Post self-deleted by The States Of Balloon.

Anyways, onto tonight's election. I ask you all to vote VenomRingo for seat 5. Throughout my entire time in the IRU he had been an active participant in government, and was even President for like 4-5 terms.

Condealism

My only complaint of the ACP candidate is this:

[nation=short]venomringo[/nation]

Why does your name have a capital letter in the middle of it? Either make it two words or have small letters throughout after the first word. Honestly this is a regional nightmare.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu

Bro u live with ur dad wtf are u gay

Pevvania wrote:I support free speech and the First Amendment 100%.

But if Trump suddenly deported all the Antifa members, feminists and radical socialists that hate the Constitution to North Korea and Venezuela... I wouldn't complain.

I would, but it would be a sort of "I'm opposed to this on principle, but claim no opposition to the results" complaint.

Pevvania, Rateria, The States Of Balloon

Humpheria wrote:My only complaint of the ACP candidate is this:

[nation=short]venomringo[/nation]

Why does your name have a capital letter in the middle of it? Either make it two words or have small letters throughout after the first word. Honestly this is a regional nightmare.

Camelcase is a common thing with programmers. Instead of naming a variable something like" votes_counted" or "votescounted", you simply make it "VotesCounted". Both words stick out and it saves space.

Rateria, Condealism

Jadentopian Order wrote:Camelcase is a common thing with programmers. Instead of naming a variable something like" votes_counted" or "votescounted", you simply make it "VotesCounted". Both words stick out and it saves space.

Hard pass

Jadentopian Order wrote:Camelcase is a common thing with programmers. Instead of naming a variable something like" votes_counted" or "votescounted", you simply make it "VotesCounted". Both words stick out and it saves space.

Bruh whatchu on about that'd be votesCounted you weirdo.

Rateria, Fascist Dred, Uadilifu

Jadentopian Order wrote:Camelcase is a common thing with programmers. Instead of naming a variable something like" votes_counted" or "votescounted", you simply make it "VotesCounted". Both words stick out and it saves space.

Have dabbled in programming; approve.

MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

Government House | Emperor City

Dear Friends:

I am writing to express the interest of my region in regards to initiating an alliance with your Region. Possible ICTO membership can also be discussed if interested.

I hope to hear back from you soon.

Keep Strong,

[nation=short]New Nationale Einheit[/nation]

Minister of Foreign Affairs | Central Pacific Empire

Rateria, Condealism

Humpheria wrote:My only complaint of the ACP candidate is this:

[nation=short]venomringo[/nation]

Why does your name have a capital letter in the middle of it? Either make it two words or have small letters throughout after the first word. Honestly this is a regional nightmare.

OH NO! I might be forced to concede the election - no one can know about this! This is truly a PR scandal for the ages!

Humpheria, Rateria, Uadilifu

Humpheria wrote:Hard pass

Just another reason to learn programming, folks.

Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu

To the people of this great region,

I thank all for those who supported me, and I thank all those who voted in the democratic process. Some things transpired that I and I'm sure everyone regret. The point of this campaign was never to win, it was never to have power, and it was never to get Éire nua in a political seat of power. The roots of this campaign, and perhaps future ones, which I do not see any in the foreseeable future, are democracy, independence, and morality. I wanted to bring a conversation to the table, and I think I did that. Regardless of why, it is obvious that the democratic process is being infringed upon by people feeling pressure to vote in a certain way. I do not, nor have I ever, claimed the RLP intended this. I firmly believe that they believe in the right to express opinions and the right to vote, no matter what it is. However, some members do feel that way, and this is something we need to address and will be something I will continue fighting, I don't care if I ruin a reputation or lose votes doing it. What occured tonight is best summed up in a Whinston Churchill quote I am reminded of,

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

I will remain active in the political process, and will be submitting a bill by Wednesday that will transform this region's voting technique. As for political pressure, this is an issue we must be addressing, and if I feel it necessary to submit a bill that will stop this, I will do so.

I thank my opponent for his kind words, I thank him for his offer. But as I said to the President, whom I am grateful privately supported me, I do not wish to serve the people if they do not choose me to. I want the people to lead me, not lead the people. Especially if I was not elected to do so.

I will remain independent in votes for political office, and I will remain active in political discourse with this region as long as I can.

Thank you, and God bless all of you.

- Eiré nua

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu

Post self-deleted by Inissbeln.

Miencraft wrote:Bruh whatchu on about that'd be votesCounted you weirdo.

That depends on what you're naming, foo. Read a style guide

Venomringo wrote:OH NO! I might be forced to concede the election - no one can know about this! This is truly a PR scandal for the ages!

When I'm times of crisis I often ask myself "what would Ghandi do"?

Rateria

Condealism wrote:Have dabbled in programming; approve.

I'm glad that someone else has been enlightened by the CamelCase master race.

I find that I am much better with languages that aren't object-based like python, than I am with object-based languages like c# and c++.

Condealism

New Nationale Einheit wrote:MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

Government House | Emperor City

Dear Friends:

I am writing to express the interest of my region in regards to initiating an alliance with your Region. Possible ICTO membership can also be discussed if interested.

I hope to hear back from you soon.

Keep Strong,

[nation=short]New Nationale Einheit[/nation]

Minister of Foreign Affairs | Central Pacific Empire

We're open to hosting this discussion.

*aside to regionmates* Psst, guys, we need to open ourselves to hosting this discussion. Also, if some of y'all would be willing to join the State Department as a diplomat (one that visits ICTO's signatories, for instance?), that would be swell - telegram me.

Rateria

I have been offered an appointed position.

I am asking for the people's blessings to do this.

Narland, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred, Uadilifu

Miencraft wrote:Bruh whatchu on about that'd be votesCounted you weirdo.

See, now your camel doesn't have a head.

Rateria

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I have been offered an appointed position.

I am asking for the people's blessings to do this.

Bruh please I've been tryna tell you. Do it.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I have been offered an appointed position.

I am asking for the people's blessings to do this.

Go ahead, man. We need people with your passion.

Rateria, Condealism

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I have been offered an appointed position.

I am asking for the people's blessings to do this.

You seem like you'd do great. You have my blessing

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I have been offered an appointed position.

I am asking for the people's blessings to do this.

Go ahead.

Rateria, Condealism

where's the PROTECT Act, lemme see it

The Aradites wrote:where's the PROTECT Act, lemme see it

Check Hyder's factbook.

Condealism

The Aradites wrote:where's the PROTECT Act, lemme see it

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=hyderbourg/detail=factbook/id=823921

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:To the people of this great region,

I thank all for those who supported me, and I thank all those who voted in the democratic process. Some things transpired that I and I'm sure everyone regret. The point of this campaign was never to win, it was never to have power, and it was never to get Éire nua in a political seat of power. The roots of this campaign, and perhaps future ones, which I do not see any in the foreseeable future, are democracy, independence, and morality. I wanted to bring a conversation to the table, and I think I did that. Regardless of why, it is obvious that the democratic process is being infringed upon by people feeling pressure to vote in a certain way. I do not, nor have I ever, claimed the RLP intended this. I firmly believe that they believe in the right to express opinions and the right to vote, no matter what it is. However, some members do feel that way, and this is something we need to address and will be something I will continue fighting, I don't care if I ruin a reputation or lose votes doing it. What occured tonight is best summed up in a Whinston Churchill quote I am reminded of,

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

I will remain active in the political process, and will be submitting a bill by Wednesday that will transform this region's voting technique. As for political pressure, this is an issue we must be addressing, and if I feel it necessary to submit a bill that will stop this, I will do so.

I thank my opponent for his kind words, I thank him for his offer. But as I said to the President, whom I am grateful privately supported me, I do not wish to serve the people if they do not choose me to. I want the people to lead me, not lead the people. Especially if I was not elected to do so.

I will remain independent in votes for political office, and I will remain active in political discourse with this region as long as I can.

Thank you, and God bless all of you.

- Eiré nua

An chéad uair eile, chairde! An chéad uair eile!

Condealism

I think that VenomRingo will be a great senator and has shown great leadership skills in the now merged IRU.

It's great they're finally getting a voice.

Condealism, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order

Inissbeln wrote:An chéad uair eile, chairde! An chéad uair eile!

I gcónaí, cara. I gcónaí.

Condealism, Inissbeln

Goodnight everyone.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo

I now officially hold the position of government advisor. If any government official needs advice, don't hesitate to telegram

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Inissbeln

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I now officially hold the position of government advisor. If any government official needs advice, don't hesitate to telegram

Woohoo!

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Gaelic Eire Nua

That's not how it... oh, whatever. Works for me.

Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Inissbeln

Condealism wrote:That's not how it... oh, whatever. Works for me.

How is it supposed to work then? That's what you told me

"I just want your advisory input on anything specific to my position/department (which is dedicated mostly to foreign work); ask around and see if any other officials have anything that needs doing, feel free"

What did I miss?

Inissbeln

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:How is it supposed to work then? That's what you told me

As I said, it's not an official position, per se, nor can I grant you any powers not shared by any other citizen. This is, after all, a libertarian region; we're not interested in creating a bureaucracy.

But, I mean, you're welcome to spin volunteer work as a status symbol if you wish, and I don't mind soliciting other government officials for a chance to help. I've no doubt that this will enhance your reputation and give you the experience necessary to accompany your innate talents for participation in the regional government.

Miencraft, Rateria

Congratulations, Gaelic. Welcome to public service.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu, Inissbeln

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I now officially hold the position of government advisor. If any government official needs advice, don't hesitate to telegram

Welcome to the Hyderbourg-Condealism Administration.

I'm sorry if we got off on the wrong foot, I look forward to working with you.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Inissbeln

Regardless. I'm just looking to serve

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Inissbeln

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Regardless. I'm just looking to serve

You are really not in the business of making friends are you?

Humpheria wrote:You are really not in the business of making friends are you?

We made friends rather quickly, actually.

Rateria, Condealism, Gaelic Eire Nua

Humpheria wrote:You are really not in the business of making friends are you?

What? I was saying regardless to it not being a government position, not to you.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Post self-deleted by Gaelic Eire Nua.

Just to out this to bed, this telegram to Humph basically sums up how I feel, and yes, I was frustrated. But at first I telegrammed people how I could make this region better for THEM, and how I could help THEM. I NEVER started insulting or accusing despite having them hurled at me. Here:

"Look, I'm just gonna say it- I never accused anybody of anything. I recieved numerous telegrams that they wouldn't vote for me because they felt party pressure, and the President told me to release them. As I think more about it, it feels like I was sabotaged, not intentionally, but I feel that my reputation was smeared by blatant attacks. And when I chose to defend myself, I was backed into a corner. And you know how it is, when there's multiple people against you, no matter who's right, you look like a fool and there's really nothing you can do about it. That's how I feel. I really feel like I was back stabbed by the President by him saying "oh release them just don't say it was me", and then when I did he would post on the RMB that he had no idea what I was talking about and then others followed saying I was making accusations. It was fu**ed up, alright? I still want to make friends, I think I've shown that, but what happened was fu**ed up and I still didn't do anything wrong. I never insulted you or anyone, and I would like everyone to know that instead of taking partial blame for something I was basically set up to do and then had insults hurled at me while I tried to fight a hard campaign and be as fair and democratic as possible.

And no- it wasn't a miscommunication. The first thing I said was that I didn't think it was intentional. Alls I said was that this is an issue that must be addressed, no matter the cause."

All good now? No more insults?

Narland, Condealism

Hopefully you remember this part especially, Humph

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I still want to make friends, I think I've shown that, but what happened was fu**ed up

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Inissbeln

Okay, we get the picture. We addressed it.

Just try to put this in perspective: You only briefly looked like a fool, whereas I am one in perpetuity.

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

tbt when minerva lost his citizenship

Oh dear it seems I'm losing alright let's see here...

I could go the Trump way and say that it's the government rigging the election, or I could go the Bernie route and promise free healthcare, scholarships and taxing the super rich...

I'm going the Bernie route.

A vote for me is a vote for taxing the rich more then the poor! Break your chains! For this election the

Left is Right!

I'm going to lose aren't I?

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:Okay, we get the picture. We addressed it.

Just try to put this in perspective: You only briefly looked like a fool, whereas I am one in perpetuity.

I thought it was over but apparently I'm not in the business of making friends, despite refusing to take his senatorial seat

Inissbeln

Communisim wrote:Oh dear it seems I'm losing alright let's see here...

I could go the Trump way and say that it's the government rigging the election, or I could go the Bernie route and promise free healthcare, scholarships and taxing the super rich...

I'm going the Bernie route.

A vote for me is a vote for taxing the rich more then the poor! Break your chains! For this election the

Left is Right!

I'm going to lose aren't I?

Definitely not the place to praise Bernie

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Shirayuki Mizore, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu, Caerbannog Collective

Hello, this is a puppet/just for fun state of Innisbeln based off of a scene of Monty Python and The Holy Grail.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Gaelic Eire Nua

Communisim wrote:Oh dear it seems I'm losing alright let's see here...

I could go the Trump way and say that it's the government rigging the election, or I could go the Bernie route and promise free healthcare, scholarships and taxing the super rich...

I'm going the Bernie route.

A vote for me is a vote for taxing the rich more then the poor! Break your chains! For this election the

Left is Right!

I'm going to lose aren't I?

I blame the oppressive bourgeois! We must seize the means of production! We must.....

It's not worth spouting Communist propaganda when no one cares.

Once again a vote for me is a vote for someone who just wants to help.

Communisim wrote:I blame the oppressive bourgeois! We must seize the means of production! We must.....

It's not worth spouting Communist propaganda when no one cares.

Once again a vote for me is a vote for someone who just wants to help.

sorry mate, russia wasn't involved

Rateria

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Definitely not the place to praise Bernie

I'm a communist nation in a region with a nation called commie smasher, a military of which the president describes as one of the things it removes are commies, and whose founder's flags has a Hammer and Sickle crossed out.

It stopped caring about logic a while ago. If I'm going to go left I'm going to go FAR left.

There's probably a joke about the Democratic Party but I can't think of one.

Communisim wrote:I'm a communist nation in a region with a nation called commie smasher, a military of which the president describes as one of the things it removes are commies, and whose founder's flags has a Hammer and Sickle crossed out.

It stopped caring about logic a while ago. If I'm going to go left I'm going to go FAR left.

There's probably a joke about the Democratic Party but I can't think of one.

'ow bout you join my anarcho-sydicalist commune? We're taking turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week but all the decisions of that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order

Caerbannog Collective wrote:'ow bout you join my anarcho-sydicalist commune? We're taking turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week but all the decisions of that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority.

HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order, Caerbannog Collective

The Aradites wrote:HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Rateria, Gaelic Eire Nua

Caerbannog Collective wrote:Hello, this is a puppet/just for fun state of Innisbeln based off of a scene of Monty Python and The Holy Grail.

"Well if you're dying you don't write out aaaaaaaaarg."

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Caerbannog Collective

It makes me sad that this nation is better than Inissbeln hahahaha

Rateria

369 RMB posts in 5 hours... ***Narland makes a peanut butter sandwich, applies Retinox (r) (c) tm eye drops, pulls out his reading glasses, opens a bottle of cheap paint thinner, and proceeds to weed through all the posts...***

Pevvania, Rateria, Uadilifu

You know, I gotta say...

I don't care if this makes me lose support or respect. But I support the idea of a single payer healthcare system and universal education. The free market should provide for those who can afford higher quality, but those things should be available to everyone

Narland wrote:369 RMB posts in 5 hours... ***Narland makes a peanut butter sandwich, applies Retinox (r) (c) tm eye drops, pulls out his reading glasses, opens a bottle of cheap paint thinner, and proceeds to weed through all the posts...***

Yeah I kinda don't like the spam, and I totally admit that I'm a big part of it too. Perhaps we should so something about it?

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:You know, I gotta say...

I don't care if this makes me lose support or respect. But I support the idea of a single payer healthcare system and universal education. The free market should provide for those who can afford higher quality, but those things should be available to everyone

Eh, it's a tricky topic for me

Condealism

Caerbannog Collective wrote:Yeah I kinda don't like the spam, and I totally admit that I'm a big part of it too. Perhaps we should so something about it?

I enjoy all the activity, but there is no good way to separate threads of discussion.

Re: 13th Amendment. Technically it only can be applied to payroll taxes during a time of national emergency or war and the spirit of the law was to tax only the income of artificial persons. Hence the War Powers Act and the Emergency War Powers Act that perpetuated every Presidents' declarations of Wars since FDR on Amorphousness (Terrorism, Poverty, Cancer, Drugs, Literacy, etc) as a valid legal fiction to perpetuate the status quo--and 80% of the bureaucracy in DC that would be sent home if Restoration of Peace was declared (as Ron Paul had promised to do if elected). The Patriot Act and Homeland Security Act (I can't remember if it is one or both) keeps us in a perpetual state of crisis without Presidential sanction, and the Deep State as the foundation of US government policy. With the passage of those two acts we can say to our children with certainty that this is when we stopped being a free country.

As with what almost always happens once "Progressives" occupy an agency they begin to change the definitions (the very and specific meaning of legal corruption) all while pretending this is the way it has always been. Income Tax without consideration of apportionment, we were told would only be used on rents, corporations, foreign nationals, and those few individuals who were privileged to sufficiently live off of annuity, inheritance, or trusts or rents. During the Korean War the unprecedented taxing of the income of all Americans was implemented for the first time (and we were told it was our Patriotic Duty to support it for the greater good). The 1954 Republican Election Revolt was not enough to rid the US of it or the Social Security Act, but it did destroy almost all else of FDRs frightening road into tyranny. The best way to rid us of arbitrary payroll taxation that is now so confounded is to rid ourselves of the Beltway Establishment that has corrupted our Laws, violated our persons, and orchestrated our serfdom. Then we can reëstablish the foundations of sound money, honest banking, taxation with representation (as Lawfully defined--not as redefined by the statists), and national solvency for our individual and mutual benefit.

***Narland gets off his soapbox***

Pevvania, Condealism, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:You know, I gotta say...

I don't care if this makes me lose support or respect. But I support the idea of a single payer healthcare system and universal education. The free market should provide for those who can afford higher quality, but those things should be available to everyone

f you consider that healthcare is a commodity it helps put it into perspective. (i.e.,You do not have a right to indenture your physician a corporatatio or to the state).

Insurance (also a commodity) is a reverse lottery where you are betting that you are smarter than than the underwriter's actuaries. Your hope is to fall in the -2 stdrd dev and the +2 std dev bell curve where there is marketable profitability--the poorer benefit from peace of mind for financial surety; the the other from peace of mind for well managed healthcare. This where satisfaction naturally occurs for serviceable marketability (There is a natural market without artificial coercion that allows both parties to financially benefit with mediation by a third party (the broker.))

The preponderance of the median benefit from a free market to receive the best care at the best price--they have no need of insurance where there is no obstruction to freely contract in an open market. All insurance does at this level is redistribute wealth inefficiently (less purchasing power or decreased quality of service) sans the costs taken from the overhead of the diverted funds. To insure the destitute and the affluent (extreme deviations) benefits the policy-holders at the ruinous expense of the underwriters (the taxpayers if socialized).

To insure preëxisting conditions is literal nonsense. It is no longer insurance, but transfer of wealth and theft of productivity. If my home burns down and I demanded insurance for my home's "pre-existing condition" I would be sent to a psychiatrist, or to jail for trying to defraud.

Truth of life is that we all get old, get sick, and die. Some of us have more life and health than others, some of us (like myself) loose our vitality virtually overnight because of accident or injury. It is more compassionate to allow people to contract for themselves the best care for the best price (and rely on the charity and goodwill of the community) in a free and open society than to force everyone into an equity scheme of a statist regimen controlled by an impersonal artificial entity under authority of the the state (a bureaucracy whose nature is to perpetuate itself with the least efficiency at the most cost) or a creature of the state (a corporation whose nature is to return the greatest profit to its shareholders at the least amount of quality that the market will bear), neither fitting for that professional charity we call Medicine.

The history of medicine is the history of charitable self-interest in spit of the state and the charity of religious institutions especially in Western Civ. This is where it belongs--with the community and with those who dedicate their lives to help the poor, the infirm, and the dying directly, not with those who try to feel good about themselves by pawning the responsibility off to their altar of the state. Government does two things well--kill people and break things. The last thing we need is for them to be in charge of those who need to heal people and fix things.

A single payer health system robs the people of everything that allowed hospitals, medicine, and physician care to become a commodity affordable to every American. No life-threatening care was ever rejected when the Churches and communities ran our nations hospitals--even if that meant that the county taxpayers footed the bill. With a single-payer statist system there will be rationed health-care, and just like England, Canada, and our own Veterans Hospitals people will die in wait of the care.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:You know, I gotta say...

I don't care if this makes me lose support or respect. But I support the idea of a single payer healthcare system and universal education. The free market should provide for those who can afford higher quality, but those things should be available to everyone

PS: A person has respectability because of the conviction of their character. Respect and courtesy (civility) is important to dialogue and exchange of ideas. You have my respect because of your forthrightness and honesty.

Wanting universal healthcare and universal education is not in itself disrespecting. Wanting those things at the expense of other people's life, liberty, and property are very bad ideas. I will try to convince you with dialogue and show with historic examples that the systems which achieved those two things (education and medicine) best have been where the markets have been most free and the people most virtuous. Where hey have failed (or are grossly inadequate) have been where the markets are least free and the people more disingenuous. This of course assumes a people who continue to maintain a sense of civic virtue and moral integrity above barbarism and savagery.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

> tfw communism has more votes than you

Communism doesn't even work guys

Condealism, you did an amazing job with the dispatch for the Department of State, I think we could use that as a model for the rest of the departments.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu

Minecraft Trolling: Crazy kid sh*ts himself on Herobrine

Hyderbourg wrote:Condealism, you did an amazing job with the dispatch for the Department of State, I think we could use that as a model for the rest of the departments.

Speaking of the State Department, shouldn't I be sworn in?

Narland, Hyderbourg

Omitting advisors and diplomats we have 13 government officials and 130 citizens, we finally hit only ten percent of the population working for the government.

Libertarianism wins again.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Shirayuki Mizore, Fairbankska, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu

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