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Even if Trump has harboured "liberal" sympathies in the past, and even if he still does, if he signs healthcare and tax reform and liberalises gun laws, it won't matter! Remember that Reagan was in favour of some gun controls but actually relaxed gun laws during his presidency. Action matters.

Pevvania wrote:get year hands of muh social security

GeT yOuR hAnDs oF mUh SoCiAl SeCuRiTy

Republic Of Minerva

[B]Greetings![/B]

We are here to represent the UEI's official diplomatic mission to the great region of Libertatem!.

Pevvania, New Nationale Einheit, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

When you land on Income Tax while playing Monopoly

"Taxation is theft"

Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Pevvania wrote:Go to bed, young man - what time do you call this?

I think that was 4 AM.

Pevvania wrote:Even if Trump has harboured "liberal" sympathies in the past, and even if he still does, if he signs healthcare and tax reform and liberalises gun laws, it won't matter! Remember that Reagan was in favour of some gun controls but actually relaxed gun laws during his presidency. Action matters.

I just really want the Hearing Protection Act to pass. It's the compassionate thing to do.

Pevvania, Venomringo

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I just really want the Hearing Protection Act to pass. It's the compassionate thing to do.

but muh guns will be completely silent! how will I ever be able to hear a gun off with a silencer!

Pevvania

Selling your body for the wifi password

Another victory for Roadism!

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Muh Roads wrote:Another victory for Roadism!

Lies

Pevvania wrote:Welcome back Rotgeheim!

Everyone please put your hands together for the return of an esteemed member of our region.

Sound the horns! I have returned!

Pevvania, New Nationale Einheit, Rateria

Girl: I've caught quite a few shiny legendaries

Guy (thinking of something to impress her): I also artificially generate my Pokémon

Also lads, what do you guys think of my flag change? I decided to move away from the black-white-red tricolor and move onto something more unique.

Humpheria, Rateria

Rotgeheim wrote:Also lads, what do you guys think of my flag change? I decided to move away from the black-white-red tricolor and move onto something more unique.

It's okay, but I'd probably rearrange the colors a bit or make it a French-style tricolor. Horizontal, I guess.

Miencraft wrote:It's okay, but I'd probably rearrange the colors a bit or make it a French-style tricolor. Horizontal, I guess.

I'm much more a fan of the horizontal tricolors. Those are better imo

Rateria

HUMANS WERE NOT MEANT TO LIVE PAST AGE 45

YOUR MID LIFE CRISIS IS AN END OF LIFE CRISIS

All the relatives are gone, I can finally beat my meat once more

The States Of Balloon wrote:All the relatives are gone, I can finally beat my meat once more

That went faster than expected

[B]RE-ELECT PEVVANIA TO SEAT 2![/B]

"I humbly ask the people of Libertatem to vote for me once again. As Speaker of the Senate and Senator, I and the Senate have accomplished numerous things, both in my current term and since I started two months ago."

-Five constitutional amendments that have reformed the Senate and executive branch, given the people the ability to recall politicians and reduced the power of government

-Comprehensive reform of the judicial system and creation of juries

-Enactment of Senate rules that have brought respect and esteem to the chamber

-A permanent voting record and public log for Senators

-Stronger alliances and friendships with the COFN, Islam and The Radiant

-Support for a defense build-up that's making our military proud again

-Blocked the passage of new welfare programs such as the TEACH Act and EPIC Act

-Exposure of the Reform Party's corruption

"This will be my last term of office in the Senate, as I hope to gain your vote in the presidential elections later in August. I hope to make my final term the best one yet, and carry on with the amazing progress we've had so far."

Pevvania: a reformer, a libertarian, a man of the people.

[B]****RE-ELECT PEVVANIA TO SEAT 2****[/B]

Rotgeheim, Pevvania, New Nationale Einheit, Rateria, The Aradites, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

The States Of Balloon wrote:All the relatives are gone, I can finally beat my meat once more

The States Of Balloon wrote:That went faster than expected

Yo quick question: what the hell

Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

Rotgeheim wrote:Yo quick question: what the hell

Balloon is the modern day Mhomen

Miencraft, Rateria, Fascist Dred

Pevvania wrote:Balloon is the modern day Mhomen

4edgy3mem7

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

Pevvania wrote:Balloon is the modern day Mhomen

~only 90s kids remember Mhomen~

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Thoughts and prayers with Sen. John McCain and his family. To the first person I supported for President in my life, if anyone can beat this, he can.

Miencraft, Rotgeheim, New Nationale Einheit, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Personally, I find the electoral college to be quite under appreciated.

Miencraft

The States Of Balloon wrote:Personally, I find the electoral college to be quite under appreciated.

Why is that? Preventing mob rule?

Neo-nazis deserve as much respect as anyone else

I applied for citizen$hip so I could run for $enate, what'$ the hold up?

Dollar$tan outtie

"Trump supporters aren't as violent as they are often portrayed" I say as I gun down hordes of immigrants without a second thought.

Dollarstan wrote:I applied for citizen$hip so I could run for $enate, what'$ the hold up?

Dollar$tan outtie

There's no record of your application here. You never applied.

The Second Republic Of Libertatem wrote:There's no record of your application here. You never applied.

I $ent it to Rateria

I$n't he the guy who handle$ that?

Dollarstan wrote:I $ent it to Rateria

I$n't he the guy who handle$ that?

No, second republic does

Dollarstan wrote:I $ent it to Rateria

I$n't he the guy who handle$ that?

Technically, yeah, but all applications need to go through this nation so we have record of them.

Post self-deleted by Rateria.

Dollarstan wrote:I $ent it to Rateria

I$n't he the guy who handle$ that?

What's with all the dollar signs?

Rotgeheim wrote:What's with all the dollar signs?

I $ee no dollar $igns.

Normies: "FLC means Free Libertatem Coalition"

Woke as fr*ck fellas: "FLC means Free Libertatem Commune"

Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred

Jadentopian Order wrote:Normies: "FLC means Free Libertatem Coalition"

Woke as fr*ck fellas: "FLC means Free Libertatem Commune"

Why did you censor frick lol

Miencraft, Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Rotgeheim wrote:Why did you censor frick lol

Sir, this is a mhomenist region, please refrain from using swears.

Condealism

Jadentopian Order wrote:Sir, this is a mhomenist region, please refrain from using swears.

Dredism allows the use of vile language.

Fascist Dred wrote:Dredism allows the use of vile language.

DrEdIsM aLlOwS tHe UsE oF vIlE lAnGuAgE

Black women are the worst, amirite

The States Of Balloon wrote:Black women are the worst, amirite

no

Rotgeheim, Pevvania, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:no

Right, sorry. TEENAGE black women are the worst.

Dollar$tan is all about the dollar$, in our national alphabet, $ is a recognized letter.

If you have a problem with that, we don't care, we have mad ca$h

Rotgeheim, Pevvania, Rateria

I sometimes miss the UCR.

Miencraft, Pevvania

Fascist Dred wrote:I sometimes miss the UCR.

Lol. They went from hostile to timid ally to enemy, and then The Red Fleet started hating them for some reason and did the work for us to get rid of them.

Miencraft

Fascist Dred wrote:I sometimes miss the UCR.

What happened to Tsardom, anyway?

Pevvania wrote:What happened to Tsardom, anyway?

I don't know, but I was able to find communal earth. He's hanging out in hell (the region).

The States Of Balloon wrote:Right, sorry. TEENAGE black women are the worst.

Yes nigga

Czekania wrote:Yes ni🅱🅱a

Wtf how did that pass the filter

Jadentopian Order wrote:Wtf how did that pass the filter

Everything is permissible.

Jadentopian Order wrote:Sir, this is a mhomenist region, please refrain from using swears.

This is a Roadist region and we do what we want.

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:What happened to Tsardom, anyway?

Ricin.

Pevvania

Muh Roads wrote:This is a Roadist region and we do what we want.

Roadist pig dog oppresser!

Muh Roads wrote:This is a Roadist region and we do what we want.

What has Roadism ever done for the people

Those people who state that morality is relative then must also agree that we have no moral obligations to help other people than ourselves.

Miencraft

(actually this would be a better critique of nihilism but whatever) If morality is relative, than it follows that no morality is superior to another – my libertarian morality is essentially the same as the morality of the islamist, and the morality of the christian, and so on

While Trump's presidency has divided libertarians over matters such as immigration and security, I do believe that instead of breaking into one or other side, we should come up with more creative solutions that satisfy both pro- and anti- positions in the immigration debate.

Why not have corporations "sponsor" immigrants (i.e. pay for their welfare and housing while they work here?) Why not implement a universal consumption tax which would immediately abolish the argument that immigrants would get more from the system than pay in? Why not privatize the border? There are much better, and more libertarian, solutions than to build a costly wall or completely ban people from moving from one end of the border to the other.

New Nationale Einheit, Rateria, Venomringo

Hail Roads!

Pevvania, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The States Of Balloon wrote:What has Roadism ever done for the people

Your mom

The United States Of Patriots

Just saw Dunkirk and I highly recommend it. I can easily place it very high on my list of favorite movies.

Also, do any of you lads have tumblr?

New Nationale Einheit, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Republic Of Minerva wrote:While Trump's presidency has divided libertarians over matters such as immigration and security, I do believe that instead of breaking into one or other side, we should come up with more creative solutions that satisfy both pro- and anti- positions in the immigration debate.

Why not have corporations "sponsor" immigrants (i.e. pay for their welfare and housing while they work here?) Why not implement a universal consumption tax which would immediately abolish the argument that immigrants would get more from the system than pay in? Why not privatize the border? There are much better, and more libertarian, solutions than to build a costly wall or completely ban people from moving from one end of the border to the other.

Well a consumption tax, if it ever happens, would be very difficult to implement politically. But I agree that there are solutions out there that can address this issue and keep both people happy. Number one the legal immigration system needs to be fixed, because no matter how many people Trump deports, the incentive to come to America to live and work will not go away.

Miencraft, Rateria

However, to the point that the wall is 'costly', we'll see, but a $20 billion investment could give a high rate of return if it curbs the $100 billion+ in annual economic costs of illegal immigration.

Pevvania wrote:However, to the point that the wall is 'costly', we'll see, but a $20 billion investment could give a high rate of return if it curbs the $100 billion+ in annual economic costs of illegal immigration.

It won't.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Pev has forgotten the first rule of government: everything government controls will lead to higher costs and inefficiency over time due to diseconomies of scale. It doesn't matter if it is Trump's wall or Bernie's healthcare plan.

New Nationale Einheit, Muh Roads, Rateria

Also, isn't the main problem with illegal immigration to the US the fact that many illegal immigrants are overstaying their visas, and not so much that they're literally jumping over the border?

Miencraft

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Pev has forgotten the first rule of government: everything government controls will lead to higher costs and inefficiency over time due to diseconomies of scale. It doesn't matter if it is Trump's wall or Bernie's healthcare plan.

To compare migration controls to government healthcare programs is a false equivalency of the highest order. Healthcare is a merit good like education, meaning positive externalities, which are best maximised when operated by the private sector. However, borders, like the military, police and courts, are very much public goods, so even within the scope of government inefficiency are better left in the hands of the state. This fact is accepted by upwards of 90% of libertarians. I thought you were a minarchist, why would you deny this?

Miencraft, New Nationale Einheit, Venomringo

Rateria wrote:Also, isn't the main problem with illegal immigration to the US the fact that many illegal immigrants are overstaying their visas, and not so much that they're literally jumping over the border?

40% of illegal immigrants, yes. But nevertheless, the wall sends a powerful message: if you don't respect the laws of our country, you're gonna have a bad time.

Miencraft

Republic Of Minerva wrote:

Also, you support a government-controlled central bank but want open borders and illegal immigration? Huh?

Pevvania wrote:To compare migration controls to government healthcare programs is a false equivalency of the highest order. Healthcare is a merit good like education, meaning positive externalities, which are best maximised when operated by the private sector. However, borders, like the military, police and courts, are very much public goods, so even within the scope of government inefficiency are better left in the hands of the state. This fact is accepted by upwards of 90% of libertarians. I thought you were a minarchist, why would you deny this?

A border is not a public good. How is it more efficient to build a wall and suffer from the same diseconomies of scale currently affecting the military and police? Certainly good Pev would agree that the US current military is bloated and wasteful, and we should cut it down as there is no benefit to keeping it the way it is. But a wall, which wont stop immigrants (I.e. 40% of them arrive by plane afterall) is now a good investment.

Pevvania wrote:Also, you support a government-controlled central bank but want open borders and illegal immigration? Huh?

I want to solve the immigration issue in the same way as the drug issue. So no, I dont support illegal immigration. I am very much an opponent of it.

I am undecided on the central bank as far as it goes.

As of now I am stepping down as Chancellor of War. I endorse Pev

Pevvania, New Nationale Einheit, Rateria

I'll reply later on a big ass factbook on immigration. Stay tuned!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:As of now I am stepping down as Chancellor of War. I endorse Pev

Thank you for your long service to the region. Both the offices of Chancellor and Vice President will sorely miss your leadership.

New Nationale Einheit, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:A border is not a public good. How is it more efficient to build a wall and suffer from the same diseconomies of scale currently affecting the military and police? Certainly good Pev would agree that the US current military is bloated and wasteful, and we should cut it down as there is no benefit to keeping it the way it is. But a wall, which wont stop immigrants (I.e. 40% of them arrive by plane afterall) is now a good investment.

Explain - what doesn't make a border a public good? Having borders is one of the essential hallmarks of being a nation-state. It doesn't matter if it's a libertarian state or a Stalinist state, all states have borders. Absolutely, there's waste in every facet of government spending, probably including border enforcement. But I view the border wall as vital infrastructure to the nation's wellbeing, like NASA or the interstate highways. Again, that's not to say that there isn't waste in infrastructure spending - there's usually a lot of it - but in this case it looks like, from a cost-benefit analysis, the cost of the wall would be dwarfed by long-term reductions in illegal immigration and its effects on the prison system and government spending. Yes, 40% - what about the other 60%? The fact is that there are hundreds of thousands of illegal border crossings every year so a strong border can stop these and deter future crossings. After they put border fencing between San Diego and Tijuana after 2006, crossings dropped by 90%. So yes, it's an investment and one that we can make work.

Miencraft, Venomringo, Fascist Dred

Look, Min, you know I'm not a nativist and many of my policy positions on immigration are the same. We need to liberalise the legal immigration system to let in more legal low-skilled and high-skilled workers, work with Mexico and Central America to make them better countries, which will stem the tide, get rid of welfare for immigrants and probably give some form of amnesty to some of the illegals already here.

However, I believe in respecting the law and I believe sending a strong message like this will stem the flow. Yes, I've seen the stats and I know that illegals do a lot for our agricultural economy and whatnot. But there are 3 million felons amongst the illegal immigrant population. 3 million. That's 1 out of 4. Is having criminals flowing across the border a good trade off for virtue signalling and minor economic benefits? I don't think so.

Build the wall, deport the bad ones, let in the good ones. That's my policy and it's fully consistent with Friedmanite thinking.

Also: I am an immigrant of many countries many times over. So I have authority on this and the difficulty of trying to move to the US :P

Miencraft, New Nationale Einheit, Venomringo, Fascist Dred

Greetings. Looking forward to future relations with your region.

Miencraft, Pevvania, New Nationale Einheit, Humpheria, Rateria

Anyone in this thread smoke weed

Rotgeheim wrote:Just saw Dunkirk and I highly recommend it. I can easily place it very high on my list of favorite movies.

I'm seeing it tonight and I'm super excited.

Rotgeheim wrote:

Also, do any of you lads have tumblr?

I avoid cancer

Miencraft, Rotgeheim, Pevvania, Rateria, Venomringo, Fascist Dred

I just grabbed a plate to make cereal in... I need more sleep

Miencraft, Rateria

Ill respond later, otherwise I will post this now:

http://www.taxpayer.net/library/weekly-wastebasket/article/building-a-wall-of-waste?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI99rA0q-d1QIVl0sNCh1opgPKEAAYAiAAEgLivfD_BwE

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I avoid cancer

Really though that site's like 70% porn, 30% SJW cancer. And the line between the two is awfully blurry.

Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Greetings Libertatem!

I have come to this region as an ambassador from the United Empire Of Islam. I would like to thank your gracious President [nation=short+noflag]Humpheria[/nation] for allowing me the opportunity to visit this region and connect with all the amazing members of this region. I look forward to seeing stronger relations between our regions.

Pevvania, New Nationale Einheit, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

Rotgeheim wrote:tumblr?

Degenerates like you belong on a cross.

Pevvania

Eastern Arab Empire wrote:Greetings Libertatem!

I have come to this region as an ambassador from the United Empire Of Islam. I would like to thank your gracious President [nation=short+noflag]Humpheria[/nation] for allowing me the opportunity to visit this region and connect with all the amazing members of this region. I look forward to seeing stronger relations between our regions.

Welcome!

Eastern Arab Empire, New Nationale Einheit

Jadentopian Order wrote:Degenerates like you belong on a cross.

Wandering the Mojave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.

Venomringo

Pevvania wrote:Wandering the Mojave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.

War never changes.

Pevvania wrote:Wandering the Mojave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.

Keep walking, Profligate.

Pevvania wrote:Wandering the Mojave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.
give me that fancy computer chip a private robot army and Ill die a happy conqurer

The United States Of Patriots

Sometimes I wish to return to the feeling of wonder I experienced the first time I masturbated.

Can't believe that I'm gonna be 20 tomorrow.

Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria

Fascist Dred wrote:Can't believe that I'm gonna be 20 tomorrow.

Happy birthday, Dred!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ill respond later, otherwise I will post this now:

http://www.taxpayer.net/library/weekly-wastebasket/article/building-a-wall-of-waste?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI99rA0q-d1QIVl0sNCh1opgPKEAAYAiAAEgLivfD_BwE

I read the article. Most of it is just "it's expensive". It mentions a 51 foot tall ladder to counter a 50 foot tall wall, but it offers no evidence-based critiques against this kind of policy.

Libertarians should think about border enforcement in the way we think about drug rehabilitation. Not many of us here would oppose ending the Drug War and spending more government money on treatment of addicts, right? The commonality is that they're both investments that pay off in the long run.

Evil Genius Land wrote:give me that fancy computer chip a private robot army and Ill die a happy conqurer

Benny is my prisoner. You don't "deal with him" unless you've dealt with me.

The States Of Balloon wrote:Sometimes I wish to return to the feeling of wonder I experienced the first time I [censored].

Yo why are you like this on a political simulator

Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

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