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Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Concerning the UN:

"The UN was not created to bring us all to heaven, but to make hell somewhat more livable."

— Dag Hammarskjöld, Secretary-General from 1953 to 1961

I really like that particular quote. The UN founders didn't believe that their organization will somehow magically make the world all peaceful and perfect, that's completely unrealisitc. Instead they wanted to create an international ground for negotiations. Seeing as negotiation is much more common now than it has been before the UN has actually established some progress. Just don't expect any wonders.

I feel like the UN at least has the potential to be beneficial. Of course I have serious problems with the way that it's set up, it impinges on countries' sovereignty and seems most heavily weighted in favor of countries who are powerful enough on their own. But if it were less of a tool used to justify war and more of a platform for negotiation, as you had said, I would support that through and through.

NATO, on the other hand, was a specific response to a specific threat. And once that threat was defeated, it ceased to serve any useful function. In practice it's an increasingliy strained alliance between countries whose interests are not aligned and I frankly don't see it lasting for more than maybe ten more years.

Alpaki

Mentula Magna wrote:I feel like the UN at least has the potential to be beneficial. Of course I have serious problems with the way that it's set up, it impinges on countries' sovereignty and seems most heavily weighted in favor of countries who are powerful enough on their own. But if it were less of a tool used to justify war and more of a platform for negotiation, as you had said, I would support that through and through.

NATO, on the other hand, was a specific response to a specific threat. And once that threat was defeated, it ceased to serve any useful function. In practice it's an increasingliy strained alliance between countries whose interests are not aligned and I frankly don't see it lasting for more than maybe ten more years.

Sanctions need to stop.

The United States Of Patriots, Mentula Magna

Looks like I can apply for citizenship now. Yippee.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Alpaki

Au Minbo wrote:Hello Libertatem! How goes it this fine evening?

Swell, bruv.

Humpheria, Rateria

Teuberland wrote:My bet is Cruz or Rubio v. Clinton. Trump gave off a single of increasing desperation when he brought out Cruz's Canadian birth. That being said a Trump win is likely. On the bright side, there's a chance for Libertarians to benefit from all that is Donald Trump.

Personally, I think you're underestimating Sanders. In many places he's in a dead heat in Hillary, and in states like New York he has a strong lead. A Sanders nominee might just be a probability.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-lead-is-evaporating-and-anxious-democrats-see-2008-all-over-again/2016/01/15/ebd8db3c-bacc-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na

Conservative Idealism wrote:SOILED IT

https://youtu.be/nP8UXGX4XhE

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:And looks like Paleto Blaine/Blaine Paleto was controlled by Misley.

Who's Misley? Bit out of the loop here.

Teuberland

New Jaslandia wrote:Who's Misley? Bit out of the loop here.

The leader of The Red Fleet, the agressive communist raider group that we are In conflict with.

Humpheria wrote:The leader of The Red Fleet, the agressive communist raider group that we are In conflict with.

I see. So, we had a spy, in a nutshell?

New Jaslandia wrote:I see. So, we had a spy, in a nutshell?

They can fit spies in nutshells now?

NO ONE IS SAFE

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria, Teuberland, Lain Iwakura, Mentula Magna

Conservative Idealism wrote:They can fit spies in nutshells now?

NO ONE IS SAFE

https://youtu.be/IixG53KmWBY

This is only the begining! Inside nutshells is the first step, but soon, they can fit inside microscopic cells! They can infiltrate your body from the inside!

Actually, that sounds like a really great move idea. Quick! Someone get Steven Spielberg or Tim Burton on the phone!

Rateria

lol hillary says she supports free markets.

Right-Winged Nation, Lain Iwakura, The New Republic Of The Galaxy

The Aradites wrote:lol hillary says she supports free markets.

Least she has a sense of humor. Rare in a politician.

The Aradites, The New Republic Of The Galaxy, Mentula Magna

I heard that Sanders is catching up to Clinton.

THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!

*jumps into a bunker*

Humpheria, The New Republic Of The Galaxy

Rateria wrote:I heard that Sanders is catching up to Clinton.

THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!

*jumps into a bunker*

Sanders being nominated could actually help the Republican candidate because he would probably scare away Centrist voters.

Rateria, Teuberland, The New Republic Of The Galaxy

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Sanders being nominated could actually help the Republican candidate because he would probably scare away Centrist voters.

Though, Trump could scare away centrist voters too if he gets nominated. If the final contest is between Trump and Sanders, I predict record-low voter turnout as centrists and moderates from both parties just stay home on election day.

Rateria

Or they could vote third-party.

Rateria

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Sanders being nominated could actually help the Republican candidate because he would probably scare away Centrist voters.

New Jaslandia wrote:Though, Trump could scare away centrist voters too if he gets nominated. If the final contest is between Trump and Sanders, I predict record-low voter turnout as centrists and moderates from both parties just stay home on election day.

Conservative Idealism wrote:Or they could vote third-party.

You all have very valid points, but most voters don't understand the incredibly efficient logic of Libertarianism (or at least I don't think so).

Mentula Magna

Rateria wrote:You all have very valid points, but most voters don't understand the incredibly efficient logic of Libertarianism (or at least I don't think so).

They'll learn.

Rateria, Mentula Magna

Conservative Idealism wrote:They'll learn.

Hopefully they will learn. I myself am a Centrist, and I side with the Libertarians on several issues, so I would have no problem with a Libertarian president.

One thing: my dad is a Libertarian, and he agrees with you. To be honest, I think that you guys would like him.

Conservative Idealism wrote:Or they could vote third-party.

And then we'll get a spoiler effect, which will lead to the opposite side winning (Democrats will win if Republicans split, Republicans win if Democrats split). Another reason why first-past-the-post voting like in the US sucks.

Rateria wrote:You all have very valid points, but most voters don't understand the incredibly efficient logic of Libertarianism (or at least I don't think so).

While I'm not a libertarian myself, I think a lot of Americans are libertarian at heart in the sense they are uninterested in the rhetoric of the social conservatives, but approve of the economic policies of the fiscal conservatives. It's that just our voting system discourages the rise of new parties; either we change our (as in, America's) voting system to something that facilitates more than two parties (alternative vote, mixed-member proportional, single transferable vote, etc), or the Libertarians have to displace either the Democrats or Republicans to become one of the two major parties.

New Jaslandia wrote:And then we'll get a spoiler effect, which will lead to the opposite side winning (Democrats will win if Republicans split, Republicans win if Democrats split). Another reason why first-past-the-post voting like in the US sucks.

While I'm not a libertarian myself, I think a lot of Americans are libertarian at heart in the sense they are uninterested in the rhetoric of the social conservatives, but approve of the economic policies of the fiscal conservatives. It's that just our voting system discourages the rise of new parties; either we change our (as in, America's) voting system to something that facilitates more than two parties (alternative vote, mixed-member proportional, single transferable vote, etc), or the Libertarians have to displace either the Democrats or Republicans to become one of the two major parties.

What happens when both parties split, as I predict they will by the time of the general election?

Conservative Idealism wrote:What happens when both parties split, as I predict they will by the time of the general election?

Then it will be a clusterf*ck. No one will get a majority, and in the style of the 1824 election, the House of Representatives will choose a winner. It remains to be seen if the currently-Republican House would vote along party lines, or if it would actually vote based on who got the most votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1824

Post self-deleted by Conservative Idealism.

New Jaslandia wrote:Then it will be a clusterf*ck. No one will get a majority, and in the style of the 1824 election, the House of Representatives will choose a winner. It remains to be seen if the currently-Republican House would vote along party lines, or if it would actually vote based on who got the most votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1824

If Trump wins the Republican primary, neither party will have a genuine advantage.

Trump's hardline supporters will abandon him after the primary regardless of whether or not he wins, leaving only a faction of politically-clueless individuals of all ideologies and party affiliations. Meanwhile, Clinton is all but guaranteed to win the Democratic nomination; her campaign, however, is so weak that she, too, will fail to gain voters.

Then there's the fact that those not chosen to lead their respective parties will obviously attempt to resurrect their cults of personality under the guise of one of the third parties.

The 2016 election will indeed be a clusterf*ck if all goes as expected. The real question is, who will emerge from it as our next president?

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Does anyone here use Tails OS?

There was just a shooting in my neighborhood less than 3 blocks from my home :/

The United States Of Patriots wrote:There was just a shooting in my neighborhood less than 3 blocks from my home :/

http://i.imgur.com/X5tD7M5.gif

But seriously, I just hope you and everyone else are okay.

Miencraft, Rateria, Teuberland

New Jaslandia wrote:http://i.imgur.com/X5tD7M5.gif

But seriously, I just hope you and everyone else are okay.

Thank you. Me and my family are all fine but one officer was killed and the other is expected to recover. One of the (expletive)bags was killed apparently its gang related. the other is still at large.

Miencraft, The New United States, New Jaslandia

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Thank you. Me and my family are all fine but one officer was killed and the other is expected to recover. One of the (expletive)bags was killed apparently its gang related. the other is still at large.

Where do you live?

Teuberland wrote:Where do you live?

Utah

The New United States

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Utah

People live there? Well best of luck to ya and bless the cop's family.

New Jaslandia, The United States Of Patriots

The United States Of Patriots wrote:There was just a shooting in my neighborhood less than 3 blocks from my home :/

Read about that on Deseret News. Sad. :(

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Utah

Teuberland wrote:People live there?

Well, of course. It is the best state in the union.

The New United States wrote:Read about that on Deseret News. Sad. :(

Well, of course. It is the best state in the union.

Found the Mormon, guys.

(Disclaimer: I make unoriginal and potentially offensive jokes. What else is new?)

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Teuberland

"He used to be a caveman... ...but now he's a lawyer! Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer!"

This has been a public service announcement from your temporary, not-actually-chosen-from-the-people People's Attorney, made possible by imaginary donations from nations like you. Thank you.

New Jaslandia

How does a nation submit an issue?

Alderney and Liberty City

Majority Opinion

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=554248

New Jaslandia

The New United States wrote:Read about that on Deseret News. Sad. :(

Well, of course. It is the best state in the union.

My man

The New United States

Narland is ranked 57th in Libertatem and 128,137th in the world for Smartest Citizens, scoring 22 on the Average Edu-tellignce® Test Score.

Something is wrong with the way NS does stats. Narland is top 5 or 10% in the world for most scientifically advanced, most armed, least corrupt, lowest overall tax burden, most politically free, most pro-market, largest IT sector, and yet is top 10% in the world for stupidest citizens and most avoided.

The New United States, Rateria, Teuberland

Michalland wrote:How does a nation submit an issue?

If you meet certain requirements, there's a button at the bottom of the Issues page that reads "Want to contribute an issue to NationStates?"

You just click that.

Humpheria wrote:Alderney and Liberty City

Majority Opinion

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=554248

So, does this mean I won my first case in Libertatem? Granted, I imagine the decision had more to do with the laws rather than my own persuasiveness, but still. Considering I didn't feel too sure of my performance in the trial, I'm kinda surprised, but in a good way.

Regardless, I'm quite impressed with the performance of People's Attorney Condealism during the trial, and I hope there are no hard feelings; I was merely doing my duty.

New Jaslandia wrote:So, does this mean I won my first case in Libertatem?

Yep. Congrats!

New Jaslandia wrote:Regardless, I'm quite impressed with the performance of People's Attorney Condealism during the trial, and I hope there are no hard feelings; I was merely doing my duty.

Heh, thanks - I was the AG myself for awhile, but that was probably the first time I did anything remotely lawyer-y; I'm surprised it went as well as it did, even though I'm disappointed by the verdict. No hard feelings :)

New Jaslandia

Conservative Idealism wrote:Yep. Congrats!

Heh, thanks - I was the AG myself for awhile, but that was probably the first time I did anything remotely lawyer-y; I'm surprised it went as well as it did, even though I'm disappointed by the verdict. No hard feelings :)

On the bright side, it seems it was a first time for both of us, and we were both surprised by our performances, which is certainly good. We both gave it our all, and perhaps another day we might be able to work together on a case!

New Jaslandia wrote:On the bright side, it seems it was a first time for both of us, and we were both surprised by our performances, which is certainly good. We both gave it our all, and perhaps another day we might be able to work together on a case!

These were extraordinary circumstances; I was just helping out a friend. Because that was the case, though, I really played hardball - needless to say, I'm extremely impressed that you stood your ground so well.

I don't intend to ever return to Libertatem, but I'm always available for consultations and whatnot, if you need me. (And occasional jokes on the RMB, though I wouldn't exactly call those needed.)

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Conservative Idealism wrote:These were extraordinary circumstances; I was just helping out a friend. Because that was the case, though, I really played hardball - needless to say, I'm extremely impressed that you stood your ground so well.

I don't intend to ever return to Libertatem, but I'm always available for consultations and whatnot, if you need me. (And occasional jokes on the RMB, though I wouldn't exactly call those needed.)

Honestly, I'm surprised at how I did too. I had some info on the case, but not actually being there during the original incident obviously put me at an advantage. Still, I did my best to rely on the spirit and letter of the law, and I think we both did well at the end of the day. You were a worthy adversary. *insert smiley face with tongue sticking out emoticon here*

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Are we not going to talk about the Delegate dilemma?

The Aradites wrote:Are we not going to talk about the Delegate dilemma?

What's to talk about? Seeing as the only use for the Delegacy is to be the sole privilege of the President (who now can't use it), it should either remain empty or be filled simply by whomever has the most WA endorsements. It's not as though it's of any importance now that regional officer positions exist.

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Conservative Idealism wrote:What's to talk about? Seeing as the only use for the Delegacy is to be the sole privilege of the President (who now can't use it), it should either remain empty or be filled simply by whomever has the most WA endorsements. It's not as though it's of any importance now that regional officer positions exist.

Hell, the WAD literally does nothing. Their only privilege is being WAD.

Conservative Idealism wrote:What's to talk about? Seeing as the only use for the Delegacy is to be the sole privilege of the President (who now can't use it), it should either remain empty or be filled simply by whomever has the most WA endorsements. It's not as though it's of any importance now that regional officer positions exist.

Couldn't the WAD remove officers? Because if raiders come, seize the delegacy, and remove the power of the officers, we could have a problem.

New Jaslandia wrote:Couldn't the WAD remove officers? Because if raiders come, seize the delegacy, and remove the power of the officers, we could have a problem.

The delegate has to have executive power to appoint officers.

New Jaslandia wrote:Couldn't the WAD remove officers? Because if raiders come, seize the delegacy, and remove the power of the officers, we could have a problem.

No our Delegate is non executive and our founded account is shared by a few former presidents In case of emergencies. There is nothing wrong, RWN is a regional officer so he still can do everything he could do as WAD.

New Jaslandia

Sorry for the short delay in processing citizenship applications. The IA office is all caught up now. <3 Roads.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Muh Roads wrote:Sorry for the short delay in processing citizenship applications. The IA office is all caught up now. <3 Roads.

Dammit, Roads, and you're the IA legend.

New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Dammit, Roads, and you're the IA legend.

I'm a man of many titles.

Rateria

Regional Community News: Issue #14 On the Map!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=514052

Archive: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=505134

Noladea wrote:Regional Community News: Issue #14 On the Map!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=514052

Archive: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=505134

That reminds me that our map here is in need of some updating... I need to do that.

Get out of Misley's swamp!

The above nation is not a citizen of LCRUA and has subsequently been banned.

Miencraft, Rateria, The Dark Lieutenant

George W. Bush: a man, faced with a Democratic Congress, who threatened to veto a bill that would have expanded hate crimes to include sexual orientation... but signed one of the biggest minimum wage increases in history.

It's tempting to call Obama the worst modern President. But then again, his predecessor was just as bad, if not worse.

Pevvania wrote:George W. Bush: a man, faced with a Democratic Congress, who threatened to veto a bill that would have expanded hate crimes to include sexual orientation... but signed one of the biggest minimum wage increases in history.

It's tempting to call Obama the worst modern President. But then again, his predecessor was just as bad, if not worse.

And that's not even getting into NCLB.

Pevvania

Pevvania wrote:George W. Bush: a man, faced with a Democratic Congress, who threatened to veto a bill that would have expanded hate crimes to include sexual orientation... but signed one of the biggest minimum wage increases in history.

It's tempting to call Obama the worst modern President. But then again, his predecessor was just as bad, if not worse.

Well, Obama vetoed the repeal ObamaCare thing. At least Bush was even somewhat on the right wing.

Suravtap wrote:Well, Obama vetoed the repeal ObamaCare thing. At least Bush was even somewhat on the right wing.

He also expanded a lot of the bad legislation that was pushed through under Bush.

I'm sticking with Obama as worst in recent times.

Miencraft, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots

You spin me right round baby right round

Pevvania, Rateria

Hail Roads. He died for our spins.

Miencraft, Pevvania, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Vice President The Dark Lieutenant,

Just letting you know that even though you have the embassy power, as with all of your powers, you are only meant to use them in case the President can't. Only the Board and President have the authority to approve and create embassies.

Humph

Appellate Justice

Humpheria wrote:Vice President The Dark Lieutenant,

Just letting you know that even though you have the embassy power, as with all of your powers, you are only meant to use them in case the President can't. Only the Board and President have the authority to approve and create embassies.

Humph

Appellate Justice

Whoops, my apologies. I was working under the assumption that I had that power because it was assigned to me through regional officers.

What are embassies for? Is it just a way to post in someone else's region without moving?

Mentula Magna wrote:What are embassies for? Is it just a way to post in someone else's region without moving?

Yes and no. It originally served little purpose beyond regions aligning with each other. For example, a Christian region would create embassies with other Christians. They served a role that extended from game alliances to a search map for nations moving around. It wasn't long ago that embassy posting became a thing. It is an option for embassy holders to open chat, as well as to vote in poles. So, there are several functions.

Mentula Magna

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:Whoops, my apologies. I was working under the assumption that I had that power because it was assigned to me through regional officers.

We just have the VP with powers in case of presidential incapacitation. Constitutionally, the Vice President has no power until the President is out of the picture.

"Elevator music has been replaced by thrash metal played at maximum volume" Yeah!

Rateria, Teuberland, Mentula Magna

>see economics video

>yaygoingtobefun.png

>starts spouting keynesian trash

>says how free markets sometimes fail bc of externalities that aren't accounted for by the market.

>"for example"

>ohno.ca

>"in a free market, a private business can count its costs, but not the costs of polluting the river"

>"that's how free markets can fail!"

>wtf.gif

>

>free market

>

>public river

>

>fkn choose one

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

The Aradites wrote:>see economics video

>yaygoingtobefun.png

>starts spouting keynesian trash

>says how free markets sometimes fail bc of externalities that aren't accounted for by the market.

>"for example"

>ohno.ca

>"in a free market, a private business can count its costs, but not the costs of polluting the river"

>"that's how free markets can fail!"

>wtf.gif

>

>free market

>

>public river

>

>fkn choose one

Indeed. As a current student of economics, I find it very difficult to wrap my head around 'market failure' in most contexts it's accused of being responsible for. Take healthcare, perhaps the most cited example. Keynesian economics contends that universal access to it - as in, state-distributed access - is beneficial and even necessary because everyone being healthy is better for the economy and society in general, (positive externalities) and that markets will usually under provide healthcare because many people will not be able to afford it. The simplicity of such thinking is due to the fact that these conclusions were drawn in the early 20th Century, when capitalism had not yet lifted all of society out of abject poverty, and when decent healthcare was expensive for ordinary people. But now, we live in an age where incomes have increased exponentially and technology has improved at a similar rate. We are perhaps at a point where healthcare in a free market could potentially be portable and low-cost for all. But unfortunately, in some countries state intervention has scrambled price signals and incentives so that the illusion of healthcare being always under provided by the market remains - despite the fact that the supply of healthcare has been limited by the government.

So what had in fact happened in America, for example, is that government has allowed demand to rise through population growth, but has restricted corresponding increases in supply through a multitude of means, such as heavily limiting the number of medical schools to keep doctors' wages high, for example, or outlawing interstate competition between health insurance providers. And because demand has risen without supply rising with it, there has been, as basic economics would tell us, a steady rise in the price level for healthcare in the last 50 years and thus problems with access and distribution. Prices can only come down if demand falls more than supply or supply rises more than demand.

The market can indeed provide healthcare to the poor - if the government will let it.

Miencraft, Rateria, The Aradites, Lain Iwakura, The United States Of Patriots, Mentula Magna

Humpheria wrote:We just have the VP with powers in case of presidential incapacitation. Constitutionally, the Vice President has no power until the President is out of the picture.

Like that whole thing with a bunch of people having control of Lib. Its a safety measure. A precaution if you will.

Ankha wrote:Like that whole thing with a bunch of people having control of Lib. Its a safety measure. A precaution if you will.

Yes... safety... *presses hands together and laughs maniacally*

Rateria

Conservative Idealism wrote:Yes... safety... *presses hands together and laughs maniacally*

😉 Classic CI...

Rateria

Ankha wrote:😉 Classic CI...

Your alive!!

Fun Aradites fact:

One of the first posts on the RMB I ever made was asking if everyone here was a guy. Answer: yes.

Is it still the same now?

The Aradites wrote:Fun Aradites fact:

One of the first posts on the RMB I ever made was asking if everyone here was a guy. Answer: yes.

Is it still the same now?

NationStates in general is kind of a sausage fest, though there are a few notable exceptions.

Muh Roads wrote:Your alive!!

Ya, had to go through academic hell. But Ive returned...and I plan to stay a while. *High fives all around*

Muh Roads, Rateria

The Aradites wrote:Fun Aradites fact:

One of the first posts on the RMB I ever made was asking if everyone here was a guy. Answer: yes.

Is it still the same now?

Ya probably, but its entirely possible more than half of all the girl nations are just one of [nation=vandoosa]'s many disguises haha.

(Check it Vanny. Shoot me a message sometime)

Teuberland

The Aradites wrote:Fun Aradites fact:

One of the first posts on the RMB I ever made was asking if everyone here was a guy. Answer: yes.

Is it still the same now?

No, actually.

I'm a genderqueer mineral-kin.

The Aradites, Lain Iwakura, The United States Of Patriots

Hey guys, I used to be a resident of this region a looooong time ago (2013 I think), but got caught up with work and personal life. Anyways, i'm glad to be back, and I can already see this place has changed a lot.

Last time I was here Pevvania was President.

Post self-deleted by Narland.

I have been on NS since 2013 but mainly just play the issues and post in the forum. I hang out, RL constraints keep me from being active w/ Libertatem. I hope you enjoy it here.

Is consensus still adamantly anti-world assembly?

Ankha wrote:Is consensus still adamantly anti-world assembly?

Most of them are morons who just vote 'yes' on whatever shows up for vote. I don't know why anyone would be pro-WA personally.

Ankha, The United States Of Patriots

I guess things are pretty quiet around here lately.

San Andrias wrote:I guess things are pretty quiet around here lately.

Indeed.

Michalland, The United States Of Patriots

until the fat lady sings....

Things have really gone quiet. Where is everyone?

*cricket noise*

San Andrias, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:*cricket noise*

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

So... "Obama for supreme court."

Anyone else as disgusted that there are actually people who think that that's a good idea as I am?

Pevvania, The New United States, San Andrias, Right-Winged Nation, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, Parvimperia, The New Republic Of The Galaxy, The United States Of Patriots

Lain Iwakura wrote:So... "Obama for supreme court."

Anyone else as disgusted that there are actually people who think that that's a good idea as I am?

Its so very, very, very Disturbing

The New United States, Ankha, Rateria

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