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Yeah correction on my part. 3 or 4. 2 killed by accident. This was for a period of 4 years. Your statement displays that Washington had personally ordered the killing of hundreds within a hour. Also remember accidental killings are easily blown out of proportion ie the Boston massacre.

As Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces during WWII, FDR should have gone down in history as a war criminal. Fortunately for his legacy, the Allies framed their Nuremberg indictment to exclude crimes committed by the winning side, thus establishing the principle that a lost war is the only real crime.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Yeah, calling them an evil empire and suggesting Star Wars, a multi billion dollar project that wouldn't have been cost effective at all. Gorbachev brought down the Soviet Union fair and square, and the GDR brought down the Berlin Wall. His influence on both incidents was negligible. Besides, the Soviet Union never fell, it just became the Commonwealth of Independent States.

http://www.economist.com/node/2747709 Read this sir

Fascism wrote:As Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces during WWII, FDR should have gone down in history as a war criminal. Fortunately for his legacy, the Allies framed their Nuremberg indictment to exclude crimes committed by the winning side, thus establishing the principle that a lost war is the only real crime.

So your telling us that if Hittler and Tojo had won the war they would have put themselves on trial for the systematic genocide of the Jews and the rape of Nanking? Many more hanous war crimes out there.

"Crime is relatively low, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare."

yeeeeesss

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Yeah, calling them an evil empire and suggesting Star Wars, a multi billion dollar project that wouldn't have been cost effective at all. Gorbachev brought down the Soviet Union fair and square, and the GDR brought down the Berlin Wall. His influence on both incidents was negligible. Besides, the Soviet Union never fell, it just became the Commonwealth of Independent States.

Not true. Reagan had direct and traceable influences on its collapse. Gorbachev was very much a doctor attending to a dying patient. What happened fell out of his control, and his economic reforms did not go far enough. I suggest you read my essay on how Reagan brought down the Soviet Empire: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=291651

My research gave me a lot of surprises. Also, the SDI has led to numerous breakthroughs in US missile defense technology. For example, Hagel announced in 2013 that a sea-based defense system built from SDI-based technology would be deployed off the cost of Korea.

Doing some refactoring though, my public gdp spent will increase to about 5% of the economy. Which is still really good, but it's not Ancapistan. My government size will increase from nothing to a minarchist state, which fits. My defense increases to about 55% from 37%, and my law enforcement budget is cut in half. I hope that won't affect my crime stats, unless it's just filling in the business subsidization lost.

Northern Prussia wrote:Pev, you need to study a little more American History. Washington marched the army out to Pensylvania to enforce the laws of the nation. Something that hadn't been done under the Articles. This prevented a rebellion and the fact no shots were fired, so no one died. You probably don't even like the guy for leading (sucking at it) the army and navy that removed your nation's control over many of its colonies.

I just find it extremely ironic that the same man who went to war over a 3% tax on tea ended up putting a 25% tax on whiskey and violently crushed attempts to rebel against it. Taxes are bad no matter who enacts them.

Surely you're not serious? I'm an Aussie, born and bred, and nowhere near a nationalist. I like Washington, but he was not the libertarian patriot many claim he was.

Pevvania wrote:Not true. Reagan had direct and traceable influences on its collapse. Gorbachev was very much a doctor attending to a dying patient. What happened fell out of his control, and his economic reforms did not go far enough. I suggest you read my essay on how Reagan brought down the Soviet Empire: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=291651

My research gave me a lot of surprises. Also, the SDI has led to numerous breakthroughs in US missile defense technology. For example, Hagel announced in 2013 that a sea-based defense system built from SDI-based technology would be deployed off the cost of Korea.

The reason the Soviet Union fell was due to Gorbachev's decentralization of the central government and increase in autonomy towards the SSR's of the Union. Nationalism took over and before he knew it most of the SSR's were asking for independence. This led to nationalist wars like the Transnistrian War, Nagorno-Karabakh war, riots in the Baltic States and Tajik Civil War. Sure, Reagan might have weakened the economy, but he didn't cause the fall of the Soviet Union.

Pevvania wrote:I just find it extremely ironic that the same man who went to war over a 3% tax on tea ended up putting a 25% tax on whiskey and violently crushed attempts to rebel against it. Taxes are bad no matter who enacts them.

Surely you're not serious? I'm an Aussie, born and bred, and nowhere near a nationalist. I like Washington, but he was not the libertarian patriot many claim he was.

"No taxation without representation"

aka

"No taxes from foreign governments, because foreigners suck. It's okay if MY people do it though."

One thing I disagree about with historians is when the cold war ended. Many will say December 25th, 1991, while I say November 9th, 1989, when the Berlin Wall fell. December 22nd is another good date, the day that Nicolae Ceausescu was overthrown in Romania and Marxist-Leninism ended there.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"No taxation without representation"

aka

"No taxes from foreign governments, because foreigners suck. It's okay if MY people do it though."

I do agree, he imposed a 25% tax on whiskey and that was a bit hypocritical. He was a brilliant military mind though(AND I SWEAR IF ANYONE TRIES TO SAY THAT HE WASN'T...)

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:The reason the Soviet Union fell was due to Gorbachev's decentralization of the central government and increase in autonomy towards the SSR's of the Union. Nationalism took over and before he knew it most of the SSR's were asking for independence. This led to nationalist wars like the Transnistrian War, Nagorno-Karabakh war, riots in the Baltic States and Tajik Civil War. Sure, Reagan might have weakened the economy, but he didn't cause the fall of the Soviet Union.

All of this happened in the last year or two of the USSR's existence, so this is a bit of a simplification. It's like blaming Walter White's death on a machine gun.

Basically, Reagan put huge pressure on the Soviet economy through the oil glut and his support of anti-communist movements, which stretched the Soviet infrastructure to breaking point. Gorbachev had no choice but to dissolve the USSR, because it was just financially impossible to keep it up.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"No taxation without representation"

aka

"No taxes from foreign governments, because foreigners suck. It's okay if MY people do it though."

Pretty much.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I do agree, he imposed a 25% tax on whiskey and that was a bit hypocritical. He was a brilliant military mind though(AND I SWEAR IF ANYONE TRIES TO SAY THAT HE WASN'T...)

This one is an eency bit overstated, since he did have his fair share of failures... But overall I think he had quite a sharp military mind :)

Pevvania wrote:This one is an eency bit overstated, since he did have his fair share of failures... But overall I think he had quite a sharp military mind :)

Okay, I admit the French and Indian War he saw his failures, but yes overall a sharp military mind.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I do agree, he imposed a 25% tax on whiskey and that was a bit hypocritical. He was a brilliant military mind though(AND I SWEAR IF ANYONE TRIES TO SAY THAT HE WASN'T...)

You're public education brainwashing amuses me.

Humpheria wrote:You're public education brainwashing amuses me.

I'm sorry, he only defeated the British army and won independence from England, damn it for public education brainwashing.

Pevvania wrote:All of this happened in the last year or two of the USSR's existence, so this is a bit of a simplification. It's like blaming Walter White's death on a machine gun.

Basically, Reagan put huge pressure on the Soviet economy through the oil glut and his support of anti-communist movements, which stretched the Soviet infrastructure to breaking point. Gorbachev had no choice but to dissolve the USSR, because it was just financially impossible to keep it up.

Economics can not bring down a nation alone. Just look at Venezuela, strong government, critically weak economy. Same with Belarus, crippling economy, but strong Government. If the entire Soviet Union was made up of Russians and was not federally divided, the country wouldn't have been divided like it is today, but the sheer size of a country with that centralization would have brought it down.

Marxist-Leninism works, just not well. Gorbachev rushed reforms to try and keep competition going with the west. Unfortunately with almost everything rushed, it failed. When you learn that the country that you are so patriotic towards has done so much bad behind everyones back, you feel like it's time for change.

The Soviet Union could have recovered had it been able to survive through the 90's. With the Eastern Bloc gone, the Soviet Army could have reduced in size and a De-Brezhnev approach could have been taken to reduce the economic dependence on arms manufacturing. With the introduction of computers in the late 90's and the USSR's educated population and sophisticated infrastructure, the country could have taken a market socialist approach, while introducing Information Technology. This could have employed a huge amount of the Soviet Population.

Also, i'm sure with the cold war ending or already over at this point, the nuclear arsenal would have been drastically reduced, with a new START treaty in place. With reduced silo/base operation and maintenance costs, all of the saved money could have gone towards supporting the oil industry and exploring new placed to exploit oil, as well as discovering what's under the permafrost of Siberia.

I'm getting off topic, but do you get what I am trying to say?

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:The reason the Soviet Union fell was due to Gorbachev's decentralization of the central government and increase in autonomy towards the SSR's of the Union. Nationalism took over and before he knew it most of the SSR's were asking for independence. This led to nationalist wars like the Transnistrian War, Nagorno-Karabakh war, riots in the Baltic States and Tajik Civil War. Sure, Reagan might have weakened the economy, but he didn't cause the fall of the Soviet Union.

This leads to another question: Who would you support in the underlined conflicts?

Transnistrian War: I'd support Romania

Nagorno-Karabakh War: Nagorno-Karabakh FTW

Baltic Riots: The baltic governments

Tajik Civil War: The secular Tajik government

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:This leads to another question: Who would you support in the underlined conflicts?

Transnistrian War: I'd support Romania

Nagorno-Karabakh War: Nagorno-Karabakh FTW

Baltic Riots: The baltic governments

Tajik Civil War: The secular Tajik government

Transnistrian War: Transnistria (They wanted something, so they fought for it. That's democracy at it's best.)

Nagorno-Karabakh War: Armenia (Nagorno-Karabakh is 95% Armenian)

Baltic Riots: The baltic governments

Tajik Civil War: The secular Tajik government

RLP Quote of the Day:

"Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

We feel that this quote is resonant not only today in real life, but even in the digital waves of this great region. Every single member of the RLP will view anyone that serves under Libertatem's banner as a brother. But, brothers fight. We will always be loyal to Libertatem, but this administration has a little more to do before it earns such a remark.

Joint unemployment and labour non-participation rates

January 1 1983: 46.6%

January 1 1987: 41%

January 1 1989: 38.6%

January 1 2010: 45%

January 1 2015: 42.9%

No matter how people try to spin it, the Obama economic recovery has been very weak on jobs and employment.

Some Party factbooks are now up. Check it out on this nation's dispatch, things like Party Leadership, our elected officials, and even our caucus procedures.

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Right-Winged Nation wrote:HOLIDAY Act

Pre-Draft

Holidays:

August 6 - Founder's Day

December 14 - Pevvania Day

December 23, 24, 25, and 26 - Christmas Recess

Hump Day *insert his birth date here*

Observances (yearly):

January 20- Reagan's Inauguration

February 6 - Reagan's Birthday

June 5- Mourning Day of Reagan's Death

August 2 - Coolidge's Inauguration

I find it funny that we're taking so long to debate over holidays, but, hey, I want this legislation to be perfect.

Is this what we've got so far?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I find it funny that we're taking so long to debate over holidays, but, hey, I want this legislation to be perfect.

Is this what we've got so far?

We can take out Reagan's death and inauguration. Only one date is necessary.

Pevvania wrote:We can take out Reagan's death and inauguration. Only one date is necessary.

I concur.

Also, we should put in a clause to allow the quick amendment of the act; i.e., adding new holidays. I think it should be able to be amended via executive order or House vote, and repeal of certain holidays should be the responsibility of the Board.

Pevvania wrote:Also, we should put in a clause to allow the quick amendment of the act; i.e., adding new holidays. I think it should be able to be amended via executive order or House vote, and repeal of certain holidays should be the responsibility of the Board.

I like your thinking.

So far we've got Humpheria Day (whenever his birthday is), Founder's Day (August 6), Pevvania Day (December 14), and Christmas (23-26) as holidays. Feb 6 (Reagan's Birthday) and Aug 2 (Coolidge's Inauguration) are our observances thus far.

Limit to be imposed on total number of official holidays celebrated: no more than twenty-four days per year (average of two per month)

Limit to be imposed on total number of official holidays established: not counting Christmas Recess, no more than ten (if any more than ten are established, demote extraneous holidays to observances)

Method of establishing new holidays (yearly): Act can be quickly amended by House vote or by executive order

Method of establishing new holidays (one-off): Celebration can be initiated by Board vote

Method of removing holidays: Act can be amended by Board vote

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I like your thinking.

So far we've got Humpheria Day (whenever his birthday is), Founder's Day (August 6), Pevvania Day (December 14), and Christmas (23-26) as holidays. Feb 6 (Reagan's Birthday) and Aug 2 (Coolidge's Inauguration) are our observances thus far.

Limit to be imposed on total number of official holidays celebrated: no more than twenty-four days per year (average of two per month)

Limit to be imposed on total number of official holidays established: not counting Christmas Recess, no more than ten (if any more than ten are established, demote extraneous holidays to observances)

Method of establishing new holidays (yearly): Act can be quickly amended by House vote or by executive order

Method of establishing new holidays (one-off): Celebration can be initiated by Board vote

Method of removing holidays: Act can be amended by Board vote

You're looking for 10/26.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I like your thinking.

So far we've got Humpheria Day (whenever his birthday is), Founder's Day (August 6), Pevvania Day (December 14), and Christmas (23-26) as holidays. Feb 6 (Reagan's Birthday) and Aug 2 (Coolidge's Inauguration) are our observances thus far.

Limit to be imposed on total number of official holidays celebrated: no more than twenty-four days per year (average of two per month)

Limit to be imposed on total number of official holidays established: not counting Christmas Recess, no more than ten (if any more than ten are established, demote extraneous holidays to observances)

Method of establishing new holidays (yearly): Act can be quickly amended by House vote or by executive order

Method of establishing new holidays (one-off): Celebration can be initiated by Board vote

Method of removing holidays: Act can be amended by Board vote

Looks good. Codify that and send it to the House for vote.

Humpheria wrote:You're looking for 10/26.

You were born in October of 1926?

Pevvania wrote:Looks good. Codify that and send it to the House for vote.

You were born in October of 1926?

Ha. Ha. Ha.

HOLIDAY Act

Honor of Occurrences Legally Identified by Dates and Anniversaries Yearly Act

Section I

Subsection I

The House is hereby granted power to establish official holidays, celebrated once yearly, by majority vote

Subsection II

The President is hereby granted power to establish official holidays, celebrated once yearly, by executive order

Subsection III

A holiday is defined as a day, or multiple days, on which government activity is suspended in recognition of an event of cultural significance to the people of Libertatem

Section II

Subsection I

The Board is hereby granted power to classify any holiday as an observance by majority vote

Subsection II

An observance is defined as the recognition of an event of some cultural significance to the people of Libertatem, but not to the degree warranting the suspension of government activity on that day

Subsection III

The Board is hereby granted power to cease observing an observance by majority vote

Subsection IV

The Board is hereby granted power to establish a one-time (not to be repeated yearly) holiday on a day of their choosing by majority vote, so long as at least two House members have expressed interest in such a celebration beforehand

Section III

Subsection I

No more than twenty-four holidays, not counting observances, are to be celebrated each year by suspension of government activity

Subsection II

A holiday may consist of no more than seven days and no fewer than one day, and holidays consisting of more than one day are also referred to as a recess

Subsection III

In the event that more than ten official yearly holidays, not counting observances or recesses, are established, the Board must decide on which holidays are to be classified as observances until there are ten or fewer

Section IV

Subsection I

This Act shall establish Founder's Day (August 6th), Humpheria Day (October 26th), and Pevvania Day (December 14th) as official yearly holidays

Subsection II

This Act shall establish the Christmas holiday as an official yearly recess lasting from December 23rd until December 26th

Subsection III

This Act shall establish Reagan's Birthday (February 6th) and Coolidge's Inauguration (August 2nd) as observances

How's that?

I motion a vote for the Board to vote on the HOLIDAY act and cast my vote in favor should it be seconded.

I take it, then, that it's acceptable. Alrighty then.

I apologize for being way behind in discussion, but I felt like mentioning that Boris Yeltsin brought down the Soviet Union, not Gorbachev. I am, of course, leaving open the possibility of Reagan's actions influencing the weakening that allowed Boris Yeltsin to collapse the USSR.

Don't believe me? Read it from the Cato Institute. -----> http://www.cato.org/blog/yeltsin-hero

If it's out of line to bring up topics after such a large gap, feel free to, you know, give me a stern talking to or whatever.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I take it, then, that it's acceptable. Alrighty then.

I propose submitting it to the House for first vote.

Rlaettei wrote:I apologize for being way behind in discussion, but I felt like mentioning that Boris Yeltsin brought down the Soviet Union, not Gorbachev. I am, of course, leaving open the possibility of Reagan's actions influencing the weakening that allowed Boris Yeltsin to collapse the USSR.

Don't believe me? Read it from the Cato Institute. -----> http://www.cato.org/blog/yeltsin-hero

If it's out of line to bring up topics after such a large gap, feel free to, you know, give me a stern talking to or whatever.

I'll take a look.

The only good regulations are regulations on the power of government - such as the Constitution.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Why the House?

That's what we usually do, is it not? Only a few pieces of legislation go exclusively through the Board. Although I suppose this act is a check on Presidential power.

Alright then, we'll pass it through both simultaneously, with a Yea/Nay poll.

...Could someone set that up?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Alright then, we'll pass it through both simultaneously, with a Yea/Nay poll.

...Could someone set that up?

Alright. Can you make a factbook for the HOLIDAY bill?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=conservative_idealism_in_libertatem/detail=factbook/id=353281

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Alright then, we'll pass it through both simultaneously, with a Yea/Nay poll.

...Could someone set that up?

Oh sure, take away the all of the Board's independence. That's fine.

Humpheria wrote:Oh sure, take away the all of the Board's independence. That's fine.

This is a matter of constitutional precedence.

One problem I have with our laws is that whether or not a law needs the approval of both chambers is unclear. But it's how we've been operating for years.

Pevvania wrote:This is a matter of constitutional precedence.

One problem I have with our laws is that whether or not a law needs the approval of both chambers is unclear. But it's how we've been operating for years.

The Board has conducted aseparate vote on legislation since last October. I know because I'm the one who conducted them.

Guys, it's fine. Why don't we just let both House members and Board members vote on the poll, and after the poll ends, we look at the results, see who voted for what (and check what house they're in), and publish how many people in which house voted what way. (If the majority of both houses are in support of the bill, and I suspect they will be, then there's no approval problem.)

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Guys, it's fine. Why don't we just let both House members and Board members vote on the poll, and after the poll ends, we look at the results, see who voted for what (and check what house they're in), and publish how many people in which house voted what way. (If the majority of both houses are in support of the bill, and I suspect they will be, then there's no approval problem.)

Alright, but I don't think you're a member of the House, since you have veto power.

Pevvania wrote:Alright, but I don't think you're a member of the House, since you have veto power.

"The House of Representatives shall consist of all nations in Libertatem not vested with a legislatoral position."

Whether the position of President is a legislatoral position is arguable (it's more of an executive position), so you don't have to count my vote if you don't want to. Just putting it out there in case there's a tie to break or anything like that.

Rlaettei wrote:I apologize for being way behind in discussion, but I felt like mentioning that Boris Yeltsin brought down the Soviet Union, not Gorbachev. I am, of course, leaving open the possibility of Reagan's actions influencing the weakening that allowed Boris Yeltsin to collapse the USSR.

Don't believe me? Read it from the Cato Institute. -----> http://www.cato.org/blog/yeltsin-hero

If it's out of line to bring up topics after such a large gap, feel free to, you know, give me a stern talking to or whatever.

By then, many of the Soviet Republics had split up already, and were in the process of becoming full on independent nations. The 1991 Attempted Coup was the last straw, and simply sped up the process of the downward spiral of the breakup.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but your article is very contradictory to what many of his voters would have said. Yeltsin was a drunk, who decided to privatize everything at once. Moving from a State-controlled planned economy to a market-based free market economy instantly is considered suicide by many economists. This is why Moscow is the Billionaire Capital in the World. If your population is full of people who have roughly the same new worth, you have to randomly divide it off. This results in massive social inequality, with some people owning a major airline overnight living in a posh Moscow apartment, and others living on the streets eating out of dumpsters.

A better method would have been to move towards a free economy over a 20 year period, while maintaing statist control over key industries for the first 10 years or so. Even Yeltsin's supporters accused him of drastically increasing "shock therapy" and moving to "wild capitalism."

For a man who got drunk while staying at the white house on a diplomatic visit, and tried to hail down a taxi in his underwear to get a late night pizza in Washington DC, i'm not surprised of the mess he left for Putin and Medvedev.

I heard about this man on the news tonight: a veteran of World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, who was named a Sagamore of the Wabash. That is, I believe, one of the highest awards presented by the Governor of Indiana.

http://www.wthr.com/story/27831431/hoosier-who-fought-in-3-wars-honored-at-indiana-statehouse

This got me thinking. Is there a regional award or decoration that has been established for Libertatem? Creating something like this might be a nice way to recognize people who make major contributions to our region.

There is the REATO metal (which I wear) which distinguishes military victories. But no there isn't.

The Wabash wrote:I heard about this man on the news tonight: a veteran of World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, who was named a Sagamore of the Wabash. That is, I believe, one of the highest awards presented by the Governor of Indiana.

http://www.wthr.com/story/27831431/hoosier-who-fought-in-3-wars-honored-at-indiana-statehouse

This got me thinking. Is there a regional award or decoration that has been established for Libertatem? Creating something like this might be a nice way to recognize people who make major contributions to our region.

Novel idea

I'll vote for, as long as Coolidge's inauguration and Reagan's birthday remain observances.

The Wabash wrote:I heard about this man on the news tonight: a veteran of World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, who was named a Sagamore of the Wabash. That is, I believe, one of the highest awards presented by the Governor of Indiana.

http://www.wthr.com/story/27831431/hoosier-who-fought-in-3-wars-honored-at-indiana-statehouse

This got me thinking. Is there a regional award or decoration that has been established for Libertatem? Creating something like this might be a nice way to recognize people who make major contributions to our region.

Tough question. I've personally awarded numerous military decorations out before. Minerva was given the Medal of Honour, I think Neo-Con and Humph have received the Medal of Valor. But these really don't mean much and aren't catalogued. I've been meaning to establish such a system for a while.

What's considered the highest decoration in the region is the Founder's Medal of Freedom Award, which has been awarded to Snabagag and Con.

I utterly despise the World Assembly. A state above states is two states too many.

Actum wrote:I utterly despise the World Assembly. A state above states is two states too many.

Indeed. We passed the WAR Act to resist this vile organisation. However, I am not sure whether it has been followed.

Con:

Article XII

The House Citizenship Reform Amendment

Authored by Pevvania

Changes

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all nations in Libertatem not vested with a legislatoral position.

to

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all citizens in Libertatem, except the President and members of the Board.

Actum wrote:I utterly despise the World Assembly. A state above states is two states too many.

Board Member Actum, how do you plan to vote on the HOLIDAY Act when it comes to the Board?

Pevvania wrote:Tough question. I've personally awarded numerous military decorations out before. Minerva was given the Medal of Honour, I think Neo-Con and Humph have received the Medal of Valor. But these really don't mean much and aren't catalogued. I've been meaning to establish such a system for a while.

What's considered the highest decoration in the region is the Founder's Medal of Freedom Award, which has been awarded to Snabagag and Con.

Are these decorations established by statute? I glanced through the laws and could not find anything mentioning them. It might not hurt to establish a list of awards and order of precedence, and then if possible make a list of recipients of each award and why they received it.

The Wabash wrote:Are these decorations established by statute? I glanced through the laws and could not find anything mentioning them. It might not hurt to establish a list of awards and order of precedence, and then if possible make a list of recipients of each award and why they received it.

Nope. They're pretty arbitrary, actually.

The Wabash wrote:Are these decorations established by statute? I glanced through the laws and could not find anything mentioning them. It might not hurt to establish a list of awards and order of precedence, and then if possible make a list of recipients of each award and why they received it.

But I like your thinking. I'll look into it.

The Wabash

Post self-deleted by Pevvania.

Seen this circulating on my Facebook lately: http://aplus.com/a/slap-her-children-react-to-violence

What is the point in this? All it does is affirm gender stereotypes and show that - shock! - not all kids are assholes. Violence is bad for everyone, for Rothbard's sakes.

Pevvania wrote:Seen this circulating on my Facebook lately: http://aplus.com/a/slap-her-children-react-to-violence

What is the point in this? All it does is affirm gender stereotypes and show that - shock! - not all kids are assholes. Violence is bad for everyone, for Rothbard's sakes.

Watch them make the same video with girls actually slapping the boys and see how many libs praise it as "empowering."

What?? Pevv changed his flag!! *super gasp*

The Wabash wrote:Watch them make the same video with girls actually slapping the boys and see how many libs praise it as "empowering."

This guy gets it.

I think feminists and men's rights activists both have a lot of valid points - outside of the gender supremacy-baiting and "MUH OPPRESHUN" talk - and I like to take ideas from both of them. Why can't a guy just be for plain ol' equal rights these days, eh?

Ankha wrote:What?? Pevv changed his flag!! *super gasp*

It happens :)

Pevvania wrote:It happens :)

NOOOOOO! It's...so...different. I like it.

Actum wrote:I utterly despise the World Assembly. A state above states is two states too many.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Pevvania wrote:Con:

Article XII

The House Citizenship Reform Amendment

Authored by Pevvania

Changes

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all nations in Libertatem not vested with a legislatoral position.

to

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all citizens in Libertatem, except the President and members of the Board.

Ah, I knew we updated that clause somehow. Alright, then, my vote doesn't count.

Actum

Also, I would like to affirm that I have voted in accordance with the WAR Act ever since my Presidency began, and will continue to do so.

I'd like to ask the Department of Internal Affairs whether there are any pending citizenship applications? There seem to be very few new citizens, despite our recent population influx. You might want to do something about that.

Pevvania wrote:I'd like to ask the Department of Internal Affairs whether there are any pending citizenship applications? There seem to be very few new citizens, despite our recent population influx. You might want to do something about that.

I second this inquiry, and hope that the record can be updated to reflect which residents are citizens (and vice versa, seeing as some former citizens have left us, and it is unclear whether puppets are taking their place or not).

Pevvania wrote:I'd like to ask the Department of Internal Affairs whether there are any pending citizenship applications? There seem to be very few new citizens, despite our recent population influx. You might want to do something about that.

There is one, and that particular person should become eligible sometime next week, but I don't consider that to be pending since they weren't eligible to begin with.

If there were any pending citizenship applications, by the way, they'd already have gone through and gotten accepted, since I really don't take that much time to look over people. I look over them thoroughly, but you wouldn't notice the amount of time it takes.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I second this inquiry, and hope that the record can be updated to reflect which residents are citizens (and vice versa, seeing as some former citizens have left us, and it is unclear whether puppets are taking their place or not).

The citizenship list is a bit out of whack currently since Roads has vanished, and the best I can do about that is see which of those listed are no longer residents.

Miencraft wrote:The citizenship list is a bit out of whack currently since Roads has vanished, and the best I can do about that is see which of those listed are no longer residents.

Alright, please do so.

Also, I know that some of you reading this may have waited the full ten days already, or may have sent puppets in place of the nations already on the register. If that's the case, please inform Miencraft of this via telegram so that he can keep accurate records and so that you can be given citizenship.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Alright, please do so.

Shyeah, brah.

Pevvania wrote:Con:

Article XII

The House Citizenship Reform Amendment

Authored by Pevvania

Changes

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all nations in Libertatem not vested with a legislatoral position.

to

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all citizens in Libertatem, except the President and members of the Board.

what about the Vice President?

Northern Prussia wrote:what about the Vice President?

You are not the President nor a Board Member; therefore you are indeed a member of the House.

Also, RWN, you're a Board member, not a House member - I think Pev wants you guys to vote on the HOLIDAY Act a different way.

Some of you guys voting for it aren't even citizens, so please ask Mien if you are eligible.

[B]Board Term 13, Meeting 2[/B]

What are your thoughts on the HOLIDAY Act? How do you each expect to vote on this bill - which I will remind you was drafted out of broad agreement between the RLP and ACOP?

It's been a while since I've written a law. I like Wabash's idea about awards. I will write a novelty act (unimportant but still a law, like HOLIDAY) to establish multiple awards provided by the Republic.

Humpheria wrote:It's been a while since I've written a law. I like Wabash's idea about awards. I will write a novelty act (unimportant but still a law, like HOLIDAY) to establish multiple awards provided by the Republic.

An excellent idea. The IRU used to have an award system, but I abandoned it when I couldn't think of anything other than zombies to apply it to.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=353421

Check out the MEDAL Act.

Pevvania wrote:Board Member Actum, how do you plan to vote on the HOLIDAY Act when it comes to the Board?

I plan on voting yes.

We urge all nations to support the HOLIDAY Act.

[Paid for and approved by the RLP Central Committee]

Humpheria wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=353421

Check out the MEDAL Act.

This looks good. I could get behind this.

I put diplomatic immunity in there because I couldn't think of anything else, MEDAL notwithstanding, what do you guys think of the general idea of diplomatic immunity?

.... or not answer. That's cool too.

Diplomatic immunity is diplomatic immunity, y'know, the practice where diplomats are granted immunity because they're immune diplomats, and *continues spiel consisting entirely of circular reasoning*

I was thinking more along the lines of a purely military medals system, but this is a decent bill. There should be a clause in there granting the Department of Military Affairs authority to establish a more detailed honours system. I think the highest award should be Medal of Honor, and I am not too sure about any recipients being entitled to a holiday. There are many nations in the region worthy of a medal like this, so we'd have a lot of observances. Who knows, maybe we'd eventually see a TTA Day! X)

Pevvania wrote:Who knows, maybe we'd eventually see a TTA Day! X)

Oh God

Pevvania wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of a purely military medals system, but this is a decent bill. There should be a clause in there granting the Department of Military Affairs authority to establish a more detailed honours system. I think the highest award should be Medal of Honor, and I am not too sure about any recipients being entitled to a holiday. There are many nations in the region worthy of a medal like this, so we'd have a lot of observances. Who knows, maybe we'd eventually see a TTA Day! X)

Observances are different than holidays.

Pevvania wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of a purely military medals system, but this is a decent bill. There should be a clause in there granting the Department of Military Affairs authority to establish a more detailed honours system. I think the highest award should be Medal of Honor, and I am not too sure about any recipients being entitled to a holiday. There are many nations in the region worthy of a medal like this, so we'd have a lot of observances. Who knows, maybe we'd eventually see a TTA Day! X)

Will add both.

Humpheria wrote:Will add both.

Added.

Thoughts on the ACLU?

Pevvania wrote:Thoughts on the ACLU?

I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, they are extremely liberal and defend the rights of the people that I don't like.

On the other hand, they defend everyone's rights and I think that means that I like them.

Humpheria wrote:I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, they are extremely liberal and defend the rights of the people that I don't like.

On the other hand, they defend everyone's rights and I think that means that I like them.

Indeed. They're a mildly pro-gun organisation, as well, that sometimes works with the NRA.

What's their position on "positive" discrimination?

Pevvania wrote:Thoughts on the ACLU?

Awesome. They rated Gary Johnson as the highest out of all presidential candidates on civil liberties and endorsed him for president.

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