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Dear friends of Libertatem, being that I know many of you are younger than I, let me off you this fair warning. Do NOT by any means get drunk with two or more ladies old enough to be your mom.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes, Republic Of Minerva, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Toxicflame, Teuberland, Lain Iwakura

Legendary United Tribes wrote:So how do you attack

The only real "combat" in this game is through world assembly endorsements. If you telegram our military manager [nation=pevvania] I'm sure he'd be happy to explain more.

Muh Roads wrote:Dear friends of Libertatem, being that I know many of you are younger than I, let me off you this fair warning. Do NOT by any means get drunk with two or more ladies old enough to be your mom.

Uh did something happen to you dude?

Everybody check out the news (http://www.nationstates.net/page=news)!

This is a joyous occasion. Once this feature is implemented, we will look at how at works and decided our course of action.

Miencraft, Kings Island, Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes, The New United States, Right-Winged Nation, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, Teuberland

Humpheria wrote:Everybody check out the news (http://www.nationstates.net/page=news)!

This is a joyous occasion. Once this feature is implemented, we will look at how at works and decided our course of action.

That sounds awesome.

Teuberland

Yee... I'll be able to handle embassies a lot faster with this system, I guess.

*prays this won't result in needless paperwork*

Muh Roads, Rateria, Teuberland

Humpheria mentioned a "Foreign Legion" as our region currently is without a military, and i would like to participate in interregional warfare and to protect our allies, can anyone explain more about this?

Humpheria wrote:Everybody check out the news (http://www.nationstates.net/page=news)!

This is a joyous occasion. Once this feature is implemented, we will look at how at works and decided our course of action.

I didn't get a notification for this. Maybe I accidentally hit news and didn't look.

WOOOOO! I CALL DIBS ON ANYTHING YOU CAN GIVE ME!

Connorr wrote:Humpheria mentioned a "Foreign Legion" as our region currently is without a military, and i would like to participate in interregional warfare and to protect our allies, can anyone explain more about this?

[Nation]Pevvania[/nation] would be the one to talk to. Shoot him a telegram. He is our general.

Connorr wrote:Humpheria mentioned a "Foreign Legion" as our region currently is without a military, and i would like to participate in interregional warfare and to protect our allies, can anyone explain more about this?

I'd imagine a couple members of the IRU's newly restructured "government" might also like to fight on behalf of Libertatem, though I can't say so for certain. Not sure what the word is on that right now, but I figure the war department should address this matter at some point during the Humpheria administration. Maybe I missed the memo regarding a foreign legion.

Anyway, how are you, Connor?

Connorr wrote:Humpheria mentioned a "Foreign Legion" as our region currently is without a military, and i would like to participate in interregional warfare and to protect our allies, can anyone explain more about this?

Yeppers, friend. We've allowed sympathetic foreigners to participate in our operations for a while, albeit unofficially.

We intended to pass legislation formalizing a foreign legion of sorts, but it was never realized. I'm going to finish writing an act up within the next 24 hours, and I'll post it here on the RMB for review.

Condealism

It is with great sadness that I announce that I have accepted the resignation of Lain Iwakura as ambassador of Libertatem to the Commonwealth, effective immediately.

I thank the ambassador for his brief service to our region and wish him the best in future affairs. Those interested in filling this vacancy, please send me your resume and a brief explanation of your interest. You can hold any other office in the region, so all Citizens except myself are eligible.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Uh did something happen to you dude?

I'd be banned if I described the events that took place.

Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:Everybody check out the news (http://www.nationstates.net/page=news)!

This is a joyous occasion. Once this feature is implemented, we will look at how at works and decided our course of action.

Awesome!

Teuberland

Hello Brethren,

The Commonwealth Regional University is hiring new professors and accepting new students!

It's a place to have fun and learn. It could be just for a fun learning experience or serious study. Either one, we are happy to facilitate!

At the moment we need two Professors of English

If anyone would like t teach Science as well and

Law.

http://commonwealthcollege.boards.net/thread/38/department-english

Pevvania

Muh Roads wrote:I'd be banned if I described the events that took place.

Bloody hell. I can only speculate as to how old you are but I'm really hoping it's sub mid 20s.

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria

Muh Roads wrote:I'd be banned if I described the events that took place.

Noice!!!!

Pevvania

Toxicflame wrote:Bloody hell. I can only speculate as to how old you are but I'm really hoping it's sub mid 20s.

24..

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Noice!!!!

Lmao

Muh Roads wrote:24..

Borderline...

I hope it was more Mrs. Robinson than Mrs. Doubtfire.

Muh Roads, Austex

Just curious... are they random, or do they know your mom?

MOVING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who wants to be ambassador to the Commonwealth?

Teuberland

Humpheria wrote:MOVING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who wants to be ambassador to the Commonwealth?

What does it entail? I don't want to leave you sons of guns.

Teuberland wrote:What does it entail? I don't want to leave you sons of guns.

Sending a puppet over there, being moderately involved, and updating us and them on major developments.

Teuberland

Humpheria wrote:Sending a puppet over there, being moderately involved, and updating us and them on major developments.

Funny, I know a guy who's already doing that stuff - and he's sitting in your chair.

...Tell him to get out of your chair so that you can do it :P

Condealism wrote:Funny, I know a guy who's already doing that stuff - and he's sitting in your chair.

...Tell him to get out of your chair so that you can do it :P

I would love to resign to do that, but I've been told I'm not allowed to resign this time.

Humpheria wrote:I would love to resign to do that, but I've been told I'm not allowed to resign this time.

Told by who? I thought you were in charge here.

Besides, who's to say you can't be both a diplomat and a President?

Condealism wrote:Told by who? I thought you were in charge here.

Besides, who's to say you can't be both a diplomat and a President?

Why, the Libertatem shadow government of course.

It just doesn't seem ethical. The President is essentially forbidden to be anything else.

Humpheria wrote:Why, the Libertatem shadow government of course.

It just doesn't seem ethical. The President is essentially forbidden to be anything else.

You're a citizen of Libertatem, same as the rest of us. You got the WAR Act repealed because you wanted to have the same freedom of expression the rest of us do, for heaven's sake. Any citizen can be a diplomat with my approval, and you're clearly the most qualified man to represent us in the Commonwealth - you wouldn't even need to ask me.

If you just don't want to, that's fine - no volunteer ethic is absolute (I can attest to that). But if you're not doing it because you don't believe yourself free enough to, believe again. You're a Libertatem citizen first and the head of our government second; you've fought for the right of liberty, so what's to stop you from continuing?

That's my take on it, anyway.

Miencraft, Toxicflame

How is this is new update going to be beneficial to Libertatem?

Humpheria

The Aradites wrote:How is this is new update going to be beneficial to Libertatem?

That's a good question.

The Aradites wrote:How is this is new update going to be beneficial to Libertatem?

We gon' get turnt fam.

Muh Roads

Toxicflame wrote:Borderline...

I hope it was more Mrs. Robinson than Mrs. Doubtfire.

They weren't bad to look at.

Austex wrote:Just curious... are they random, or do they know your mom?

Lol, I'm a crazy guy.. but not that crazy.

...I met them online...

The Libertarian Movement party in Costa Rica is the most successful libertarian party in the world, with 57 seats in government and challenging the other three major parties as an equal player.

http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/09/17/costa-ricas-libertarian-lawmakers-show-latin-america-how-its-done/

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The Libertarian Movement party in Costa Rica is the most successful libertarian party in the world, with 57 seats in government and challenging the other three major parties as an equal player.

http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/09/17/costa-ricas-libertarian-lawmakers-show-latin-america-how-its-done/

You misread--it's four seats out of 57 according to Wikipedia, 2 out of 57 according to the article.

BUT STILL. That's an infinitely higher number than what the Libertarian Party USA has.

Rateria, Brasil The Hueland

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The Libertarian Movement party in Costa Rica is the most successful libertarian party in the world, with 57 seats in government and challenging the other three major parties as an equal player.

http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/09/17/costa-ricas-libertarian-lawmakers-show-latin-america-how-its-done/

The FDP used to be pretty successful. The liberal democrats in Australia have a Senate seat as well

Pevvania, Brasil The Hueland

Hey all I'm back sorry it's been a while

The New United States, Humpheria

Go Libertarians! We need you on Brazil!

The Regional Officer positions are below. If no one has any issue with this, we will make it law. If someone wants to write a law, telegram me and I will outline the parameters.

Vice-Delegate - Vice President

Homeland Officer - Chairman of the Board

Security Officer - Manager of War

Communications Officer - Manager of Internal Affairs

Diplomacy Officer - Manager of State

Research Officer - Chief of Staff

Miencraft, The New United States, Condealism

Humpheria wrote:

Vice-Delegate - Vice President

Homeland Officer - Chairman of the Board

Security Officer - Manager of War

Communications Officer - Manager of Internal Affairs

Diplomacy Officer - Manager of State

Research Officer - Chief of Staff

Vice-Delegate: Has Appearance, Border, Communications, Embassies, and Polls authority

Homeland: Appearance authority

Security: Border Control authority

Communications: Communications authority

Diplomacy: Embassies authority

Research: Polls authority

We can create a custom office to give it custom authority.

Miencraft, The New United States, Condealism

Oh, yay, polls are fun!

Humpheria, Rateria

Kings Island wrote:The FDP used to be pretty successful. The liberal democrats in Australia have a Senate seat as well

The FDP is liberal, by definition, just liberals that are friendlier to free markets. But the FDP is still against guns and still believes in the European Union and magic of central banking.

Teuberland wrote:You misread--it's four seats out of 57 according to Wikipedia, 2 out of 57 according to the article.

BUT STILL. That's an infinitely higher number than what the Libertarian Party USA has.

Thank you for correcting me. I've heard conflicting reports about their direction though, whether they are becoming more conservative/liberal, or just keeping libertarian ideals to a back seat to be pragmatic. The article seems to suggest the latter, but Wikipedia suggest the former.

Teuberland

Welcome to [nation=short]Estonian Volunteers[/nation]! Good to see you here!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Thank you for correcting me. I've heard conflicting reports about their direction though, whether they are becoming more conservative/liberal, or just keeping libertarian ideals to a back seat to be pragmatic. The article seems to suggest the latter, but Wikipedia suggest the former.

Do leftists even deserve the honor of being called liberals? After all liberal comes from liber--free, and leftists are generally, of course, against economic freedom to a large degree.

I personally call them of course leftists or I call them progressives.

Teuberland wrote:Do leftists even deserve the honor of being called liberals? After all liberal comes from liber--free, and leftists are generally, of course, against economic freedom to a large degree.

I personally call them of course leftists or I call them progressives.

"Progressive" is another honorific they do not deserve. Progress implies forward-thinking and tangible results; economic illiteracy and nanny-state promotion do little to achieve this.

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Lain Iwakura

Humpheria wrote:Vice-Delegate: Has Appearance, Border, Communications, Embassies, and Polls authority

Homeland: Appearance authority

Security: Border Control authority

Communications: Communications authority

Diplomacy: Embassies authority

Research: Polls authority

We can create a custom office to give it custom authority.

Looks very noice brah

Humpheria, Rateria

Condealism wrote:"Progressive" is another honorific they do not deserve. Progress implies forward-thinking and tangible results; economic illiteracy and nanny-state promotion do little to achieve this.

Come to think of it, "leftist" isn't accurate either. Socialists and communists alike despise liberal policies, sometimes to a more extreme degree than conservative ones, simply because such policies are so terrible regardless of the context of the market they're applied to. (At least our promotion of economic freedom makes sense in a predominantly-capitalism-inspired world economy.)

So liberals/progressives/leftists, as one might refer to Democrat-like individuals as, are actually really far divorced from liberty, progress, and altruism. That leaves us with a predicament - what do we call them?

Miencraft, Rateria, Teuberland

Humpheria wrote:Vice-Delegate: Has Appearance, Border, Communications, Embassies, and Polls authority

Homeland: Appearance authority

Security: Border Control authority

Communications: Communications authority

Diplomacy: Embassies authority

Research: Polls authority

We can create a custom office to give it custom authority.

I love you Humpy-bear.. but do you think of ways to expand the government before bed or???

Teuberland wrote:Do leftists even deserve the honor of being called liberals? After all liberal comes from liber--free, and leftists are generally, of course, against economic freedom to a large degree.

I personally call them of course leftists or I call them progressives.

No, you are right. Originally the label liberal was reserved for many current libertarians in the US, and so it would be an insult to actual liberals. As for me, I use liberal and libertarian interchangeably, although I tend to use libertarian to describe the more anarchist and "left wing" faction of liberals.

"Leftist" is a bad term as it presumes that liberals and libertarians are rightists - which is a falsehood. There is nothing right wing about libertarianism - the right, which prefers protectionism, conformity, and dogmatism, actually describe current "leftists" better. It is in fact the liberals and libertarians who are the real leftists, as they had been described 200 years ago and is still true today - leftists value liberty, natural equality, and rights. Rightists on the other hand demand state enforced equality, and hate liberty. However, as long as the opposition describes themselves as "left wing," will they not see the error of their mislabeling, it is then so far we liberals and libertarians are forced to be "right wing" and paired with fascists, monarchists, and neonazis.

What can we call them? "social democrat" is unwieldy, but describes a good portion, and works. To me "social liberal" is a contradiction in terms - one cannot hold liberal positions and illiberal quasi socialist positions at the same time! Personally, I also like to use the term "regressives."

Muh Roads wrote:I love you Humpy-bear.. but do you think of ways to expand the government before bed or???

It is a game function. Would you rather we not use it? It is just adding mechanical executive abilities to the existing Cabinet.

Muh Roads

Muh Roads wrote:I love you Humpy-bear.. but do you think of ways to expand the government before bed or???

I thought we had all agreed that the smaller the government, the better. Do you really want to give the government more power? Come on gents, I thought you were Libertarians!

All of that aside, what sort of plans for expanding government do you have, mister?

Rotgeheim wrote:I thought we had all agreed that the smaller the government, the better. Do you really want to give the government more power? Come on gents, I thought you were Libertarians!

All of that aside, what sort of plans for expanding government do you have, mister?

We are libertarians and I do like small government.

I was running a proposal on which Cabinet office to assign to the new Regional Officers roll-out.

The New United States

Humpheria wrote:We are libertarians and I do like small government.

I was running a proposal on which Cabinet office to assign to the new Regional Officers roll-out.

I was just having a go at you. None of that was really serious, save for the last question.

Renegalis, Muh Roads, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:It is a game function. Would you rather we not use it? It is just adding mechanical executive abilities to the existing Cabinet.

I know, I know =P

Rotgeheim wrote:I thought we had all agreed that the smaller the government, the better. Do you really want to give the government more power? Come on gents, I thought you were Libertarians!

All of that aside, what sort of plans for expanding government do you have, mister?

I'd like it to expand until it implodes. That sounds nice.

Welcome back by the way.

I leave for ten weeks and my party becomes defunct... *sigh* I suppose I will have to join aanother

Awesomeface1122 Embassy

Hi guys good morning.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, Toxicflame, Lain Iwakura, Awesomeface1122 Embassy

If there was any art movement that exemplifies libertarianism, it would be the neoclassical movement. Reason over the irrationalism and racism of the romantics.

Renegalis, Awesomeface1122 Embassy

Hi guys. Mr. President, why do people call you "Humpy Bear"?

Rateria wrote:Hi guys. Mr. President, why do people call you "Humpy Bear"?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MBFDYpTRjk

Humpheria wrote:*bear hugs* Is that a banana in your pocket or are you just.... oh it really is a banana. Why do you have a banana in your pocket you weirdo?

Muh Roads wrote:..you sure you want the answer to that question?

Muh Roads wrote:Hallo had a cult? I want a cult.

Muh Roads wrote:Those who don't obey Muh Roads doctrine get the hose.

The Amarican Empire wrote:All hail the roads!

Miencraft wrote:They also get sentenced to manual labor in some of my diamond mines.

Then Minerva:

Republic Of Minerva wrote:black and yellow black and yellow

liberswag yolo

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If there was any art movement that exemplifies libertarianism, it would be the neoclassical movement. Reason over the irrationalism and racism of the romantics.

Surely there are too many conventions and ideals in neoclassicism?

I can't think of any one art movement that successfully typifies libertarianism.

Toxicflame wrote:Surely there are too many conventions and ideals in neoclassicism?

I can't think of any one art movement that successfully typifies libertarianism.

How so?

The huuuge increase for socialism and progressive politics across the world is frightening. Sanders, Corbyn, SYRIZA, all of these huge spikes in socialist popularity are to the detriment of us. And what can the libertarian movement do when we are divorced from left and right? Should we adopt more leftist rhetoric like the early libertarians did and attempt to ride the wave?

Miencraft, Awesomeface1122 Embassy

Rateria wrote:Hi guys. Mr. President, why do people call you "Humpy Bear"?

Hump is in my nation name and my nickname and Muh Roads thinks he's funny.

Renegalis, Rateria

The rule of the New Right, which was popular from 1980 to 2015, is finally at it's death knell. Reviewing modern trends, we are transitioning into another age - one that might not be so friendly to capitalism and neoliberalism.

Am I wrong?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:How so?

All art movements by definition are exclusive, especially with benefit of hindsight.

Humpheria wrote:Hump is in my nation name and my nickname and Muh Roads thinks he's funny.

You know you love it.

Guess who's back

Back again

Pevvy's back

Back again

Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, Toxicflame, Lain Iwakura

Pevvania wrote:Guess who's back

Back again

Pevvy's back

Back again

OMG

Hey look something else for me to be #1 at.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The rule of the New Right, which was popular from 1980 to 2015, is finally at it's death knell. Reviewing modern trends, we are transitioning into another age - one that might not be so friendly to capitalism and neoliberalism.

Am I wrong?

I wouldn't go that far. First, I think the New Right era ended when 9/11 happened, killing all opportunities for an economically liberal Bush Presidency. And secondly, what we are seeing is a chain of insurgencies fuelled by angry welfare para-- erm, I mean, those dissatisfied with austerity policies. Here in the UK, the Conservative Party conference was a celebration, not just of the party's general election victory but also of Corbyn's victory. Just because a few hundred thousands want something it doesn't mean the rest of the country agrees with them. In the US, a Republican Congress and more than 30 Republican Governorships were recently elected, with the public still in a very conservative mood. Bernie Sanders will likely push Hillary Clinton to the left in the short run, making it more difficult for her to win the full election. Historically, the Democrats have only ever won three or more consecutive elections twice, in the Age of Jackson, 1828-36, and in the New Deal era 1932-48.

Syriza has had to abandon their Marxist ambitions and accept austerity, so I wouldn't say leftism is overtaking Greece. France will likely see Hollande lose to Sarkozy or whoever the Republican candidate is. Germany is still in the grip of Merkelania, or Merkelism or whatever. India's Modi is aggressively reforming the economy towards freer markets, and Xi Jinping wants to improve the Chinese economy's competitiveness also.

The world is looking pretty centre-right at the moment.

The New United States, Rateria, Condealism, Lain Iwakura

Pevvania wrote:I wouldn't go that far. First, I think the New Right era ended when 9/11 happened, killing all opportunities for an economically liberal Bush Presidency. And secondly, what we are seeing is a chain of insurgencies fuelled by angry welfare para-- erm, I mean, those dissatisfied with austerity policies. Here in the UK, the Conservative Party conference was a celebration, not just of the party's general election victory but also of Corbyn's victory. Just because a few hundred thousands want something it doesn't mean the rest of the country agrees with them. In the US, a Republican Congress and more than 30 Republican Governorships were recently elected, with the public still in a very conservative mood. Bernie Sanders will likely push Hillary Clinton to the left in the short run, making it more difficult for her to win the full election. Historically, the Democrats have only ever won three or more consecutive elections twice, in the Age of Jackson, 1828-36, and in the New Deal era 1932-48.

Syriza has had to abandon their Marxist ambitions and accept austerity, so I wouldn't say leftism is overtaking Greece. France will likely see Hollande lose to Sarkozy or whoever the Republican candidate is. Germany is still in the grip of Merkelania, or Merkelism or whatever. India's Modi is aggressively reforming the economy towards freer markets, and Xi Jinping wants to improve the Chinese economy's competitiveness also.

The world is looking pretty centre-right at the moment.

inb4 banned again

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria

Hello! I am the ambassador puppet for [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation]!

The New United States, Humpheria

The Vistonian Ambassador wrote:Hello! I am the ambassador puppet for [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation]!

Welcome, might I offer you a cold cup of RLPeach tea?

The Vistonian Ambassador

Hello everyone, it's me Markotovia. Just waiting for President Humpheria to give me the green lights to start my speech

Humpheria, The Dark Lieutenant, The Vistonian Ambassador

Muh Roads wrote:Welcome, might I offer you a cold cup of RLPeach tea?

Why, I'd love some :P Thank you!

*whispers to Mark*

The Libertates are nice...

Markotovia In Libertatem, The Vistonian Ambassador

Vista Major wrote:Why, I'd love some :P Thank you!

*whispers to Mark*

The Libertates are nice...

"I think they can hear us..."

The Dark Lieutenant, The Vistonian Ambassador

Markotovia In Libertatem wrote:"I think they can hear us..."

[I]"Oh well, then"

Pevvania wrote:I wouldn't go that far. First, I think the New Right era ended when 9/11 happened, killing all opportunities for an economically liberal Bush Presidency. And secondly, what we are seeing is a chain of insurgencies fuelled by angry welfare para-- erm, I mean, those dissatisfied with austerity policies. Here in the UK, the Conservative Party conference was a celebration, not just of the party's general election victory but also of Corbyn's victory. Just because a few hundred thousands want something it doesn't mean the rest of the country agrees with them. In the US, a Republican Congress and more than 30 Republican Governorships were recently elected, with the public still in a very conservative mood. Bernie Sanders will likely push Hillary Clinton to the left in the short run, making it more difficult for her to win the full election. Historically, the Democrats have only ever won three or more consecutive elections twice, in the Age of Jackson, 1828-36, and in the New Deal era 1932-48.

Syriza has had to abandon their Marxist ambitions and accept austerity, so I wouldn't say leftism is overtaking Greece. France will likely see Hollande lose to Sarkozy or whoever the Republican candidate is. Germany is still in the grip of Merkelania, or Merkelism or whatever. India's Modi is aggressively reforming the economy towards freer markets, and Xi Jinping wants to improve the Chinese economy's competitiveness also.

The world is looking pretty centre-right at the moment.

Unfortunately I do not share your optimism Pev. Also, I think Merkel doomed her next term with the refugee handling.

Oh, right. It's next week already. I'm so forgetful.

Welcome to Libertatem!

Anyone else watching the debate?

Teuberland

Markotovia In Libertatem wrote:Hello everyone, it's me Markotovia. Just waiting for President Humpheria to give me the green lights to start my speech

Green light.

Sorry I was out of the house for a while.

Kings Island wrote:Anyone else watching the debate?

I left after Sanders said he predicted instability in the Middle East.

That place has been unstable since Babylon. You can say, "Oh, in 2067 there's going to be some major instability in the Middle East" and you know it'll be true. It's just not a place that lends itself to stability.

Renegalis, Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland

Miencraft wrote:I left after Sanders said he predicted instability in the Middle East.

That place has been unstable since Babylon. You can say, "Oh, in 2067 there's going to be some major instability in the Middle East" and you know it'll be true. It's just not a place that lends itself to stability.

That's true. I'm liking Webb more and more as I watch though. He seems rather Libertarian, for a democrat.

Kings Island wrote:That's true. I'm liking Webb more and more as I watch though. He seems rather Libertarian, for a democrat.

Webb is my favorite. I liked how he smacked down Anderson Cooper.

Kings Island, Pevvania

Humpheria wrote:Webb is my favorite. I liked how he smacked down Anderson Cooper.

That was probably the most entertaining thing so far.

Kings Island wrote:That was probably the most entertaining thing so far.

I couldn't watch, especially Hillary going: America needs to stand up to the NRA. Or Bernie ranting on global warming

Miencraft, The New United States

No matter how much we get annoyed, we have to watch them to understand them.

Especially with what they propose. A lot of things they say are out of the land of milk and honey, that or they are for the children. Understanding these tropes and cliches are helpful to combating their ideology.

Rateria, Condealism

Teuberland wrote:No matter how much we get annoyed, we have to watch them to understand them.

Especially with what they propose. A lot of things they say are out of the land of milk and honey, that or they are for the children. Understanding these tropes and cliches are helpful to combating their ideology.

Webb is pretty Libertarian.

Nova Gharoukannia

Kings Island wrote:Webb is pretty Libertarian.

I wasn't listening as much as I could have (then again that should be rephrased "I wasn't studying for the PSAT as much as I should have."). He seemed to emphasize foreign policy (that or all I heard was that he was a soldier during 'Nam). He came off more conservative to me.

Teuberland wrote:I wasn't listening as much as I could have (then again that should be rephrased "I wasn't studying for the PSAT as much as I should have."). He seemed to emphasize foreign policy (that or all I heard was that he was a soldier during 'Nam). He came off more conservative to me.

If you actually listened, you would have heard that

A. He opposes foreign intervention unless absolutely necessary

B. He's always been a huge advocate for criminal justice reform

C. He wants to lower the size of government, generally speaking

D. He opposes environmental regulation

E. He opposes the NSA

I also know from his website that he wants to lower the corporate tax to twenty percent but eliminate all deductions, and end subsidies.

He's at least as Libertarian as Paul, if not more so. Not conservative at all.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Renegalis, Teuberland, Lain Iwakura, Awesomeface1122 Embassy, Nova Gharoukannia

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Unfortunately I do not share your optimism Pev. Also, I think Merkel doomed her next term with the refugee handling.

That's not necessarily a good forecast for liberty. Centre-rightists have a tendency of doing what's politically expedient rather than acting on principle, which could further fuel leftism.

And who knows, perhaps the rise of Corbyn and Sanders might be a good thing. If they get put in charge and end up inevitably destroying western rule of law and liberalism as we know it, free market capitalism will start looking much more appealing again! The 1970s was the best political gift the libertarian movement could have ever received.

The New United States, Renegalis, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:That's not necessarily a good forecast for liberty. Centre-rightists have a tendency of doing what's politically expedient rather than acting on principle, which could further fuel leftism.

And who knows, perhaps the rise of Corbyn and Sanders might be a good thing. If they get put in charge and end up inevitably destroying western rule of law and liberalism as we know it, free market capitalism will start looking much more appealing again! The 1970s was the best political gift the libertarian movement could have ever received.

Libertarians are too radical, the center right is too incompetent, and I am certainly that everyone who believes in the magic of gobbermint is hopelessly and utterly evil.

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Condealism, Awesomeface1122 Embassy, Nova Gharoukannia

From a purely pragmatic perspective, I might in the future homestead some land in the middle of nowhere USA and hope the government never finds me. Only then could I ever have peace.

Renegalis, Awesomeface1122 Embassy

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Libertarians are too radical, the center right is too incompetent, and I am certainly that everyone who believes in the magic of gobbermint is hopelessly and utterly evil.

We need Neo-Libertarianism! Against guns and drugs, for small government, centralised federal government, the abolition of the NSA, laissez-faire economics, excessive liberties, and constitutionally restricted powers of the State and states.

Awesomeface1122 Embassy

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