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I shall respectively, say goodbye to thy enemies, and have a good day.

Communism is oppression. But your too stupid to obviously see that.

Capitalism is even more oppression. It is a plutocracy.

With one word, I have said all.

I demand you explain to me how it is opperssion!

Oh, and that "your" is supposed to be a "you're"

and you never split an infinitive. *tsk* *tsk*

If you will use bad grammar, then so will me.

You don't have the freedom to chose a freakin job! That's bull!

but obviously, you're too stupid to see your grammatical mistakes.

Excuses. All excuses.

Yes...You do.

Were did you read in the Manifesto that you can't chose a job, Were did you hear that to start with anyway?

Who said that? People can choose their job. They can become doctors if it is their passion. It's certainly better than not having a job!

In china you can't chose a job. Learned it in social studies class.

I declare war on both of you.

If someone wants a job, they buck up enough to go get one. Not have the actual hard-workers pay them for being lazy.

I certainly will not stand for this.

Lets go. It's war.

This is you:

"I learned that Washington never told a lie.

I learned that soldiers seldom die.

I learned that everybody's free.

And that's what the teacher said to me.

I learned that policemen are my friends.

I learned that justice never ends.

I learned that murderers die for their crimes.

Even if we make a mistake sometimes.

I learned our government must be strong.

It's always right and never wrong.

Our leaders are the finest men.

And we elect them again and again.

I learned that war is not so bad.

I learned of the great ones we have had.

We fought in Germany and in France.

And some day I might get my chance."

School is BS propaganda fed by the government, especially social studies!

One at a time!

You learned it in your social studies class?

Meaning you havent even researched it?

You'll have to fight my nations, then.

To add

That means you just belived what someone told you want went with it.

No, my good man. That is oppression

...If that's your opinion (that all public schools teach is false, which may me true sometimes), this homeschooler right here has the same view against communism. And I don't have social studies classes. :P

It's war. Lets go you lousy weakling.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2941547

So laziness, not disease, disability, racism, etc., is what keeps people out of a job. Who knew?

You have your parents who were taught the same values.

Well, Were did you learn that You can't get your own jobs Freedom?

I also researched it.

Well, at least if they want to leave the nation they can. And we don't encourage being lazy.

How does that relate at all to my argument?

Show me the reserch that said it Einsiev.

I'm not going to argue with a bunch of idiots. I'm leaving.

Simply making points that communism doesn't work.

You've made no points?

You've only talked about how you can't pick a job, and have yet to back it up with showable proof

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120527172055AAHiwPF

Yahoo answers....

Dear god.

Please, Read the one below the first answer, That only has one vote up -_-

...Apparently you two can't get a point. At this point, I may as well stop trying to discuss this with you and go get something useful done.

YOU HAVENT MADE A POINT XD

I'm invading you.

Good, Please do.

Don't worry, already did.

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In the interest of the internal affairs of both regions I suggest this madness cease. For now we must agree to disagree.

My sincere apologies.

Alright, that's better.

Ignore the mess. Back to business.

Anyway, uh...I've started a non-Libertatem-sanctioned militia called [nation=short+noflag]The Libertatem Guard[/nation]. Read the puppet's factbook (I'm planning on adding more to it), and TG me if you're interested in joining.

@ New World State:

It's sociali(ism) studies. What to expect?

I hated my social studies classes.

I'm making an A in mine but I hate it too.

I'm so glad I inverted my nation to a Democracy. I was Fascist. It got me nowhere fast.

Lol. No response.

I vote nay on the democratic amendment. I implore others to do so, as the amendment is a step towards bureaucracy.

Actually, it reduces it.

I agree with the Democratic Amendment yet the Chairman term should be slightly longer. But that's up to you.

Snagabag, it is the opposite. It actually cuts the entire thing.

What we need basically is the direct votes for minor regional issues, and a strong foreign policy of anti-communism pro-libertarian/conservative capitalism.

A term of 10 days is far too short for the chairman position. I could not disagree more strongly.

Post self-deleted by The Grand Macallan.

Post self-deleted by The Grand Macallan.

The mere proposal of this legislation is a pretty strong hint. This has been a great region, but for whatever reason, its clear that I will not be successful here in fighting communism. It looks like the positions of all of us on the board are in jeopardy. I ask the board members: were you apprised of the possibility of this being proposed? For what it's worth, I was not. But if Liberosia and NST wish to dissolve the board and replace it with a chairman who only has 10 days in office, then it is clear that there is not much future here for me, at least. I encourage the remaining board members to consider the same. And with that, I am sad to announce that I intend to resign as Chairman of the Board, and seek another pro-Democracy, anti-communist region where I can be of service. I wish those remaining in Libertatem nothing but the best, and hope to pop in and say hi once in a while. Goodbye everyone! It has been a great time.

What is your ideal term, Macallan?

Lol, Macallan, I have no problems with you at all.

The judicial review function of the entire board is imperative for the long-term well-being of the region.

Macallan, the amendment is up for DISCUSSION right now. Nothing is absolutely set in stone.

I am just trying to introduce more democracy into the government, as well as streamlining the entire thing.

So I ask again, what are your suggestions?

I am very sad to see our Chairman, Macallan, depart from our region.

Upon his leave, the Chairman position is now vacant and the Lone Star Party is leaderless.

Responding to the communist invasion earlier, I'd like to make a few points about why communism/socialism is evil and why capitalism is the superior alternative...

...Throughout the history of mankind, people have struggled to survive in a world inherently rough. Over the course of 5,000 years (roughly the beginning of civilization), the human race remained primarily agricultural. Advancements were made, yes, but these did nothing to increase the quality of life of any normal person. In fact, in those times, the only way a person could become wealthy was by extorting, forcing, or stealing from his fellow man. Normally, governments would be some of the largest culprits in this exercise of theft (this carried on into imperialism, partially). After a long period of time, the world (Europe primarily) adopted the feudal system, making the majority of the European population practically slaves, forced into agricultural labor. These times were characterized with low standards of living and high taxes: stifling innovation and entrepreneurship for a long time. Then, the greatest event ever in history began in the 1700's. It was the Industrial Revolution; a Revolution that brought optimism to the human race for the first time. Over the course of this Revolution, millions of the poor were lifted out of poverty, the middle class began to grow, and a new culture of self-interest (abolishing mercantilism), encouraged competitive industry. In this time period (from then to the present), wonders have been created, like the automobile, the light bulb, airplanes. This new form of mass production brought inventions and material wealth to a majority of the people, contradicting the intuitive belief that people can only become richer by robbing their neighbors. All of these, I might add, were created in the pursuit of profit: self-interest.

Despite the real and nominal wages of workers increasing, especially as the Industrial Revolution raged on (bringing an ever increasing rate of progress and prosperity), the idea of socialism was formed. The socialists believed in this idea of a "zero-sum game", that the rich robbed the poor in order to increase their capitals and so forth. False. Gone from the capitalist societies was the acknowledgement of force, and so people could finally choose their occupation more freely. The socialists recognize, as Marx realized, that capitalism was needed to attain their worker's paradise of communism. And so, under the Bolsheviks and other socialist Parties, roughly half the world began to experiment. They cut off private interests, collectivized most sectors of the economy, and suppressed self-interest. The result? In less than a century, the USSR had imploded in on itself, after killing millions of people, the Chinese adopted regulated capitalism, and the rest of the world either made reforms or suffered under socialism.

Compare the two systems. Capitalism: more people than ever before, more wealth than ever before (for everyone in different amounts), more inventions than ever before, a better standard of life than ever before, freed people from oppression at last. Socialism: decreased the population by roughly 100 million people, killed ingenuity, stifled innovation, made all citizens slaves to the State.

Despite what communists would tell you about 21st century collectivism not being real socialism/communism, one must realize that this is the way it is in practice. In the real world, socialism is evil and capitalism is good.

I don't know about you, but I choose Capitalism, because its inherent virtue is...JUSTICE.

I declare myself head of the Lonestar Party.

I also think it's time we ignore this new legislation, because I have a better idea.

First, the BOARD Amendment gives each individual board position a unique role. Liberosia must choose which nation does what.

Second, the people can hold an election for the people's attorney...and, by extension, the Vice Delegate, considering the position is fueled by endorsements anyway and the current VWA is the Manager of Military Affairs.

Those are just my thoughts - I think we should give people the freedoms offered by our Constitution before we revise it further.

My nation finally has its own flag. It's not impressive, doesn't stand for anything, and the crest of the horse's neck could be modified some, but for now at least I have a distinctive flag. I'll probably use this flag as a base for my duplicate's flags, and just switch out chess pieces and mess with colors.

I'll give up the VWA position. I wanted to be military manager and was offered VWA. Then I became military manager.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=235732

Anyone interested in forming a party? I'm thinking of forming a objectivist party, possibly an AnCap. The Libertarian Freedom Party isn't really very organized. It is either a bunch of rightists or people who won't make a stand because they have no allies. The Communist-Tits and Redheads-Red-Greens-LibDems are all leftists, and pretty much dominate the senate.

Alright, if we are to have Vice WA elections our first candidate is Confederate People of the United States.

Could you run? Isn't that cute...haha. You aren't even a WA member - join that first.

I would like the Chairman of The Board position if possible. If not I'm fine with that.

On second thought, the Democratic Amendment is much faster. Maybe we should all just vote for that.

The people can still elect their attorney, if they wish.

I would like to congratulate CI on his recent promotion to Chairman of the Lonestar Party, and would like to apply as a citizen for membership in the Party because of its fantastic ideals.

This new "DEMOCRATIC act" isn't looking very democratic. The Chairman gets all the power? There is no more representation? I hope we realize how outrageous this is.

Elections outrageous? Shrinking the size of government outrageous? Eliminating appointments by me outrageous? Reducing my power outrageous?

Wow

Actually Rebelland, if I might weigh in on your region's politics as its former Chairman, the Chairman would have little or no power because his term would be limited to just 10 days. The real highjacking is dissolving the entire board on top of that, thus eliminating judicial power. You are correct Rebelland, it's not very democratic.

...and that is why I left. I am surprised there has been no reaction from the board members. You guys have a great region, it would be sad to see it go downhill.

The bill may have flaws, but it introduces elections, and that's the main tenet. Perhaps we could extend the term period, maybe keep some of the Board Members. However, the government is too large in my opinion.

I am willing to compromise, of course, provision by provision, but I'd appreciate a counterplan.

Rebelland is right, I found the mere mention of it to be a bit of an overstep. And with that, I will withdraw my opinions from your region's politics.

Actually, that comment prompted me to want to continue to weigh in.

Well I just altered it slightly, take a look at it and tell me what you think.

It seems less outrageous. Maybe the next chairman would be happy with 14 days. I'd imagine he'd want a longer term though. If it were my government to run, I'd dictate a term of 45 days and get the right person in the spot.

It's not the Chairman's government. Practically, he is only the third most powerful nation in the region. The government truly belongs to the WA Delegate. 45 days is ridiculous, a display of power-protection. Two weeks should be sufficient to exercise the small responsibilities as Chairman. Besides, if the non-WA official must be reelected through popular vote constantly, in provides an incentive to do better, or at least not do badly.

You asked. That was just my answer. In the US, Supreme Court justices serve for life, and the Chairman has judicial review powers. Maybe 45 days isn't that long after all. Eroding from the judiciary's power is more of a ridiculous display of power protection, in my humble opinion.

It's not just Judicial power at stake. Besides, the judicial review is comprise of, now, all the Board. What I fear most is a communist getting elected, then having 45 days to go without having to campaign.

Meh, there's impeachment.

Impeachment is not a tool we should rely on. In NS, 14 days is a decent amount of time. I am trying to create incentives for greater political involvement.

Stable rules and predictability.

Judicial review provides for stable rules and predictability, does it not?

There is that possibility, but I'm not eliminating judicial review, I am merely making ONE, count it, leader, the third most powerful nation in Libertatem, accountable at predictable times. It also allows for more participation, which I am especially keen on to juice the region's activity.

Come to think of this, the chairman seems to be given too much power in the Democratic Amendment. I think that basically the only four things that should exist are founder, manager of military, state and diplomacy. Anyone else object?

That decentralizes authority, more so than the dem act. I withdraw support from it, after realization. Apologies.

I support New Sea Territory.

That would be a nice step toward authoritarianism for your region.

NST's idea, Macallan?

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