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Muh Roads wrote:If Pev and Minerva worked with the fascists, it wasn't apparent to me and would be something I would have strongly stood against... yet 5 months ago was not under my presidency either. Are you absolutely sure it was them? Not a false puppet claiming to be Pev or Minerva?

condealism pardoned them for it. and yes, I'm 100% sure it was them. it'd be encouraging to see Libertatem engage its military against more fascist targets, (I'd welcome it openly) but like I've said I have no reason to expect it given the track record of this region.

Muh Roads wrote:I can't remember the names at the present time, but I do remember being involved in a few raids against the fascists.

news to me.

Yelsim wrote:wrong!!!

wrong!!!

the three posts that I've deleted during this conversation were because I messed something up in posting it, which I immediately fixed and reposted.

"wrong!!!" Is not a well formed argument, friend. :)

Yelsim wrote:

trivial except for the part where they have to constantly remind their region members to keep posts about how much they hate Jews on their off-site forums so they don't get banned from NS

I'm sorry but what? We hardly even use the off-site forum. If someone hates Jews here, then that's their own problem to deal with. I certainly won't ban someone for hatred.. but I'm sure they will find some way to get themselves banned for being such a terrible person.

Yelsim wrote:colluding with fascists, some of whom in this day and age literally and truly by their own admission believe in fascism: "a trivial technicality," says former Libertatem President Conservative Idealism

trivial except for the part where they have to constantly remind their region members to keep posts about how much they hate Jews on their off-site forums so they don't get banned from NS

a technicality except for the part where you guys, as recently as five months ago, tried desperately to get advice on military gameplay from them

My point being that no one took the legislative precedent that would allow such foolishness to heart since the days of the Libertatem Empire. We were under no obligation to collaborate with fascists, nor to change our Constitution to reflect that we shouldn't even have the option... but we did so anyway.

Yelsim wrote:it'd be encouraging to see Libertatem engage its military against more fascist targets, (I'd welcome it openly) but like I've said I have no reason to expect it given the track record of this region.

As would I. The only problem is that you would benefit if we were to invest our efforts battling them instead of you. (So if you really think we should drop everything and go fight your/our other enemies, you'd better be willing to make it worth our while.)

And, to be honest? Your Fleet looks a lot more fragile to us than their fancy little Empire, by virtue of how your allies are scattered. Though that's not to say we won't find and exploit their weaknesses after your armada has turned to rubble...

Muh Roads wrote:I'm sorry but what? We hardly even use the off-site forum. If someone hates Jews here, then that's their own problem to deal with. I certainly won't ban someone for hatred.. but I'm sure they will find some way to get themselves banned for being such a terrible person.

I didn't even realize we had a forum. . .

Muh Roads wrote:I'm sorry but what? We hardly even use the off-site forum. If someone hates Jews here, then that's their own problem to deal with. I certainly won't ban someone for hatred.. but I'm sure they will find some way to get themselves banned for being such a terrible person.

He's referring to the fascist regions' offsite forums, not ours.

Yes, I am a fascist. What about it?

Hallo Island

I'm Christian, so I'm probably pretty close to being fascist. ;)

Hallo Island

Muh Roads wrote:I'm sorry but what? We hardly even use the off-site forum. If someone hates Jews here, then that's their own problem to deal with. I certainly won't ban someone for hatred.. but I'm sure they will find some way to get themselves banned for being such a terrible person.

i'm talking about the fash.

The New United States wrote:I'm Christian, so I'm probably pretty close to being fascist. ;)

I'm keeping my Jesus hate on the DL right now.

Humpheria

Hallo Island wrote:"wrong!!!" Is not a well formed argument, friend. :)

"my Bulgarian friend said..." is not a well formed argument either, friend :) :)

Someone called me a fascist once because I told them not to walk on the grass. Am I cool yet?

Yelsim wrote:i'm talking about the fash.

Gotcha.

Yelsim wrote:condealism pardoned them for it. and yes, I'm 100% sure it was them.

I'm looking into it. Thanks.

Condealism wrote:Someone called me a fascist once because I told them not to walk on the grass. Am I cool yet?

Not until you wear those really rad boots that leave little swastika footprints (sarcasm)

Muh Roads wrote:I'm looking into it. Thanks.

*grabs bag of popcorn made from grain seized from the kulaks*

Yelsim wrote:*grabs bag of popcorn made from grain seized from the kulaks*

Pretty sick joke. It's so cool of the communists to kill a man because he has 1 more cow than his neighbor.

Miencraft, Humpheria, Hallo Island

Muh Roads wrote:Not until you wear those really rad boots that leave little swastika footprints (sarcasm)

That actually sounds kinda awesome. Did the nazis have those? Seems impractical, makes you easy to track. Silly Nazis.

Yelsim wrote:*grabs bag of popcorn made from grain seized from the kulaks*

*seized from starved Ukrainian farmers

Muh Roads wrote:Pretty sick joke. It's so cool of the communists to kill a man because he has 1 more cow than his neighbor.

pretty sick of the kulaks to slaughter their cows because they didn't want to get less than market price for it while their neighbors were starving, you mean.

no one was killed because they had more cows than someone else. don't be daft.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThoseWackyNazis

Hallo Island wrote:That actually sounds kinda awesome. Did the nazis have those? Seems impractical, makes you easy to track. Silly Nazis.

Don't think they had them, but I knew a few guys in high school that did. Just Google "aryan wear", you'll see some of the most offensive boots possible.

Yelsim wrote:pretty sick of the kulaks to slaughter their cows because they didn't want to get less than market price for it while their neighbors were starving, you mean.

no one was killed because they had more cows than someone else. don't be daft.

"They were called "enemies of the people," as well as swine, dogs, cockroaches, scum, vermin, filth, garbage, half animals, apes. Activists promoted murderous slogans: "We will exile the kulak by the thousand when necessary – shoot the kulak breed." "We will make soap of kulaks." "Our class enemies must be wiped off the face of the earth."

One Soviet report noted that gangs "drove the dekulakized naked in the streets, beat them, organized drinking bouts in their houses, shot over their heads, forced them to dig their own graves, undressed women and searched them, stole valuables, money, etc.""

- http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/september/naimark-stalin-genocide-092310.html

Stalin was a bad man, comparable to the likes of Hitler.

Stalinism is an evil practice.

I can find common ground with some anarcho-communists, but people who actively defend Stalin's horrible actions, never.

Miencraft, Kings Island, The New United States, Hallo Island, Condealism

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Muh Roads wrote:"They were called "enemies of the people," as well as swine, dogs, cockroaches, scum, vermin, filth, garbage, half animals, apes. Activists promoted murderous slogans: "We will exile the kulak by the thousand when necessary – shoot the kulak breed." "We will make soap of kulaks." "Our class enemies must be wiped off the face of the earth."

One Soviet report noted that gangs "drove the dekulakized naked in the streets, beat them, organized drinking bouts in their houses, shot over their heads, forced them to dig their own graves, undressed women and searched them, stole valuables, money, etc.""

- http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/september/naimark-stalin-genocide-092310.html

Stalin was a bad man, comparable to the likes of Hitler.

Stalinism is an evil practice.

I can find common ground with some anarcho-communists, but people who actively defend Stalin's horrible actions, never.

I agree, but God, we really need to cut down on our reductio ad Hitlerum around here.

Hallo Island wrote:I agree, but God, we really need to cut down on our reductio ad Hitlerum around here.

Don't tell him what to do! Who do you think you are? Hitler?

Tyrinth, Kings Island, Muh Roads, Condealism, Midland County

The New United States wrote:Don't tell him what to do! Who do you think you are? Hitler?

You know, sometimes I like you. Very occasionally.

The New United States, Humpheria, Midland County

The New United States wrote:Don't tell him what to do! Who do you think you are? Hitler?

Might I need to remind mein Herrenvolk who Das

Führer is?!?!?

Remember, guys, junk food is evil. Hitler ate sugar, after all.

Muh Roads

Muh Roads wrote:Might I need to remind mein Herrenvolk who Das

Führer is?!?!?

Nein, mein Führer!

*begins goose-stepping*

Muh Roads

Hail Roads! 818! (Raises arm in a Roman salute)

man, it's almost like y'all were just itching for an excuse to play fash for a night.

Yelsim wrote:man, it's almost like y'all were just itching for an excuse to play fash for a night.

Yeah, and Stalin was an evil genocidal dictator as well, but you play Stalin pretty much every day. Sit down, son.

Pevvania, Right-Winged Nation, Muh Roads

Who's playing? I would go Fascist under Roads.

Muh Roads

Yelsim wrote:man, it's almost like y'all were just itching for an excuse to play fash for a night.

Vhat is zhis "play" of vhich you speak, sie bolshevik?!

Muh Roads, Hallo Island

Yelsim wrote:man, it's almost like y'all were just itching for an excuse to play fash for a night.

Maybe we just like The Sound of Music. :)

I'd opt for a day out of the year where we mock the fascists and/or communists in the same presentation as just witnessed.. but seeing as how we do it nearly every day regardless, I'd be doing Libertatem a great dishonor.

https://youtu.be/Qkuu0Lwb5EM

Who let the reds out?

I saw that debate, it was pretty interesting. Especially all of those fascist jokes. By the way, Stalin's orders apparently killed more people that Hitler.

Right-Winged Nation

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I'm not inactive y'all. Stuff like that up there^^ just makes my head hurt.

Midland County wrote:I'm not inactive y'all. Stuff like that up there^^ just makes my head hurt.

Same.

Halfheartedly aye on tabloid

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Yelsim wrote:man, it's almost like y'all were just itching for an excuse to play fash for a night.

You want us to play pinko instead? We can do it, but I seem to have lost my beret.

Midland County wrote:Halfheartedly aye on tabloid

I, as well.

Aye.

TABLOID passes through the Board 5-0.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

The New United States wrote:TABLOID passes through the Board 5-0.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

Sorry guys, even as a strong advocate for government transparency I'm going to have to veto this bill.

I want the board to highly consider regional security when voting the second time. I think tabloid is on the right track, but possibly needs some counter measures in place. But it will be fully up to the board, I was just hoping for more discussion on this one.

Miencraft, Condealism

Muh Roads wrote:Sorry guys, even as a strong advocate for government transparency I'm going to have to veto this bill.

I want the board to highly consider regional security when voting the second time. I think tabloid is on the right track, but possibly needs some counter measures in place.

The discussion shouldn't be limited to Board members, and if you have suggestions, I would love to hear them; that was, after all, the point of instituting a mandatory discussion period between proposal and voting.

The New United States wrote:The discussion shouldn't be limited to Board members, and if you have suggestions, I would love to hear them; that was, after all, the point of instituting a mandatory discussion period between proposal and voting.

Perhaps a clause be added to constitute anything pertaining to regional security be discussed in private, citing ARMA as precedent.

Although I wish the President would have mentioned this concern before voting, it is a valid one.

Midland County wrote:Halfheartedly aye on tabloid

Why half-heartedly? The entire point of the Act is to allow the Board to better discuss proposed legislation, with one another and with the public, so that there will be a better understanding of and a higher quality impressed upon that legislation.

Half-heartedly voting for such a thing shows to me that the point was missed entirely; if you have a grievance with the piece of legislation that I've authored, then say something about it before you cast your vote.

Kings Island, Humpheria

Humpheria wrote:Perhaps a clause be added to constitute anything pertaining to regional security be discussed in private, citing ARMA as precedent.

Although I wish the President would have mentioned this concern before voting, it is a valid one.

Indeed. If you'd like to, you can go ahead and tack such a clause on and add yourself as a co-author. Otherwise, I'll be able to edit it in several hours.

The New United States wrote:Indeed. If you'd like to, you can go ahead and tack such a clause on and add yourself as a co-author. Otherwise, I'll be able to edit it in several hours.

Will do in about an hour. If there is anything else anyone would like for me to add, please share with the class.

Today I am glad to announce the results of the first round of survey results. As denoted in the survey, personal responses will not be disclosed, only percentages.

Responded: 50%

Party make-up:

- RLP: 63%

- POG: 18%

- Independent: 18%

Muh Roads/Humpheria Job Performance:

- Very Favorable: 63%

- Favorable: 27%

- Neutral: --

- Unfavorable: 10%

- Very Unfavorable: --

Favorite Presidential Candidate:

- Vice President Humpheria: 63%

- Representative Kings Island/Minority Candidate: 18%

- Undecided: 18%

Important Issues: In order of importance

War on Communism, Free Movement Treaty, Expansion of Interests Abroad, Judicial Reform, Constitutional Reform

Note: This is not the final count. This was with 11 responses out of 22. We still have more to send out. So if you haven't gotten one, be patient, if you have, please respond.

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

The New United States, Right-Winged Nation

Humpheria wrote:

Although I wish the President would have mentioned this concern before voting, it is a valid one.

And you all have my apologies, being sick for the last 4 days has not been in my favor.

Muh Roads wrote:And you all have my apologies, being sick for the last 4 days has not been in my favor.

I serve at the pleasure, sir. I hope you get better. There is absolutely no way that I could benefit from you getting sick. Get better soon!

The New United States wrote:Why half-heartedly? The entire point of the Act is to allow the Board to better discuss proposed legislation, with one another and with the public, so that there will be a better understanding of and a higher quality impressed upon that legislation.

Half-heartedly voting for such a thing shows to me that the point was missed entirely; if you have a grievance with the piece of legislation that I've authored, then say something about it before you cast your vote.

Ok so I don't have any real grievances about it, I'm just not crazy about the whole 24 hours thing. I acknowledge that it's totally necessary but it does slow down efficiency a tad. That said I know it's the right choice and I can't really vote against it without looking like a fascist so aye.

Humpheria For Libertatem wrote:Today I am glad to announce the results of the first round of survey results. As denoted in the survey, personal responses will not be disclosed, only percentages.

Responded: 50%

Party make-up:

- RLP: 63%

- POG: 18%

- Independent: 18%

Muh Roads/Humpheria Job Performance:

- Very Favorable: 63%

- Favorable: 27%

- Neutral: --

- Unfavorable: 10%

- Very Unfavorable: --

Favorite Presidential Candidate:

- Vice President Humpheria: 63%

- Representative Kings Island/Minority Candidate: 18%

- Undecided: 18%

Important Issues: In order of importance

War on Communism, Free Movement Treaty, Expansion of Interests Abroad, Judicial Reform, Constitutional Reform

Note: This is not the final count. This was with 11 responses out of 22. We still have more to send out. So if you haven't gotten one, be patient, if you have, please respond.

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

Woot woot! 18% is much better than I would expect. I forgot to respond though, haha. I'll get on that.

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Tomorrow I will be eligible of applying for citizenship! Yay! Then I'll be able to join the RLP, as well as the armed forces and whatnot. Tomorrow will indeed be a noteworthy day in the history of the NWS and Libertatem.

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Reaganomic Nws wrote:Tomorrow I will be eligible of applying for citizenship! Yay! Then I'll be able to join the RLP, as well as the armed forces and whatnot. Tomorrow will indeed be a noteworthy day in the history of the NWS and Libertatem.

That's the spirit.

Reaganomic Nws

Reaganomic Nws wrote:Tomorrow I will be eligible of applying for citizenship! Yay! Then I'll be able to join the RLP, as well as the armed forces and whatnot. Tomorrow will indeed be a noteworthy day in the history of the NWS and Libertatem.

Excellent. I of course hope to change your mind about the RLP, though. If you have any questions about POG before you decide, feel free to telegram me.

To deny that the Holodomor was not intentional is to be ignorant about economics and history.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/was-holodomor-genocide

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:To deny that the Holodomor was not intentional is to be ignorant about economics and history.

Since when are socialists concerend with economics or history?

Muh Roads

Got an internship with my MP, who happens to be a prominent member of the Conservative government. He is a party-line Tory (sigh), but hopefully I can change things from the inside.

Kings Island, Hallo Island

Reaganomic Nws wrote:Tomorrow I will be eligible of applying for citizenship! Yay! Then I'll be able to join the RLP, as well as the armed forces and whatnot. Tomorrow will indeed be a noteworthy day in the history of the NWS and Libertatem.

Just FYI, even though it probably got lost in the sea of whatever's been happening lately:

Miencraft wrote:So I'm going to be working on overhauling citizenship applications to be a more in-depth test that actually checks to ensure people know the laws before they apply.

I don't anticipate this taking too long, so I won't be processing any applications until I'm done. No current citizens are going to need to apply again when the test changes.

Similarly, if we have/will have (I honestly have no idea if that ever got passed) embassy citizens, they probably won't need to take the test either, but I'll see exactly what I do with that when it comes up.

But do not despair! Citizenship applications will be back up and running before elections start.

Reaganomic Nws

Also, is someone working on adding POG to the party list?

Pevvania wrote:Got an internship with my MP, who happens to be a prominent member of the Conservative government. He is a party-line Tory (sigh), but hopefully I can change things from the inside.

Congratulations! Welcome to the world of professional politics, it's pretty great. Congressional (or Parliamentary, I suppose) internships are great.

Pevvania

Miencraft wrote:Just FYI, even though it probably got lost in the sea of whatever's been happening lately:

But do not despair! Citizenship applications will be back up and running before elections start.

I see. Please let me know when it's finished so I can apply. :)

Humpheria wrote:Congratulations! Welcome to the world of professional politics, it's pretty great. Congressional (or Parliamentary, I suppose) internships are great.

Thanks, I gotta admit that I'm excited. I have to primarily interact with constituents, and I'm not looking forward to verbally defending the government's £9 "living wage".

Kings Island, Reaganomic Nws

Miencraft wrote:Just FYI, even though it probably got lost in the sea of whatever's been happening lately:

But do not despair! Citizenship applications will be back up and running before elections start.

Regarding the "embassy citizens", I think someone's working on a treaty that would make the citizen registers of its signatories compatible with one another.

In the event this treaty passes, I would still recommend testing those who use this system on our region's laws, if the treaty would allow for such a thing.

Pevvania wrote:Thanks, I gotta admit that I'm excited. I have to primarily interact with constituents, and I'm not looking forward to verbally defending the government's £9 "living wage".

I was only in it for three weeks before I joined the campaign (you can't do both because of federal law), constituent services were definitely... interesting.

... I'd really appreciate it if someone could put my party on the list.

As of now, the people of Wovenland announce their full support for the Humpheria/Hallo Island campaign and will be aiding in anyway possible in the race for presidency.

Humpheria

Kings Island wrote:... I'd really appreciate it if someone could put my party on the list.

KI, the party system is privatized. So is the party registry. Only one person has access to that list because it is a private list, not an official government venture. That one person is currently indisposed.

I really hate to pester the government, but I feel that some of the newer nations might support my campaign if POG was on the political party page.

Wovenland wrote:As of now, the people of Wovenland announce their full support for the Humpheria/Hallo Island campaign and will be aiding in anyway possible in the race for presidency.

Thank you, sir!

Humpheria wrote:KI, the party system is privatized. So is the party registry. Only one person has access to that list because it is a private list, not an official government venture. That one person is currently indisposed.

Does anyone know when that person will be back?

Kings Island wrote:I really hate to pester the government, but I feel that some of the newer nations might support my campaign if POG was on the political party page.

Well, the only nation able to edit that page is busy right now. If you want your party added to the registry before he gets back, someone would have to create a new factbook for it.

Pevvania wrote:Got an internship with my MP, who happens to be a prominent member of the Conservative government. He is a party-line Tory (sigh), but hopefully I can change things from the inside.

Nice, my MP is not a party-line Tory but is annoyingly anti-gay-marriage however my family have been in contact with him in the past and he actually takes his job of MP very seriously and tries to help the people in his constituency which I can respect.

Humpheria

Wovenland wrote:Nice, my MP is not a party-line Tory but is annoyingly anti-gay-marriage however my family have been in contact with him in the past and he actually takes his job of MP very seriously and tries to help the people in his constituency which I can respect.

My congressional district had an incredibly nice republican congressman who passed away last year. Our local libertarian candidate got 5% in the special election and 23% in the general election because the democrats actually failed to field a candidate.

But the current congressman is a republican statist and against marriage equality. Far worse, he used to be a lobbyist.

Oh, and I forgot to mention this but Lucas Overby was actually the first libertarian to ever be in a nationally televised debate (via c-span), with local analysts and polls agreeing that he won.

Kings Island wrote:My congressional district had an incredibly nice republican congressman who passed away last year. Our local libertarian candidate got 5% in the special election and 23% in the general election because the democrats actually failed to field a candidate.

But the current congressman is a republican statist and against marriage equality. Far worse, he used to be a lobbyist.

Young or Nunnelee?

Kings Island wrote:Oh, and I forgot to mention this but Lucas Overby was actually the first libertarian to ever be in a nationally televised debate (via c-span), with local analysts and polls agreeing that he won.

So, Young. I watched that debate. Most of us did, we discussed it as it happened. It was a good debate.

Humpheria wrote:Young or Nunnelee?

Bill Young. I didn't agree with a lot of his stances but he really cared about his constituents. He used to personally meet every plane that brought a dead soldier from our district back.

Kings Island wrote:My congressional district had an incredibly nice republican congressman who passed away last year. Our local libertarian candidate got 5% in the special election and 23% in the general election because the democrats actually failed to field a candidate.

But the current congressman is a republican statist and against marriage equality. Far worse, he used to be a lobbyist.

My MP's view of gay marriage is that it shouldn't be for the government to decide whether the Church should make gay marriage acceptable and I can accept this view as I feel the government should have no part of marriage. However he voted against legalisation of gay marriage and this is something I would not have done. He also voted against a couple of other things to do with gay marriage I think; though in the area I live in, that's probably popular with many constituents anyway so you could just say he's doing his job.

Humpheria wrote:So, Young. I watched that debate. Most of us did, we discussed it as it happened. It was a good debate.

Especially when he asked Sink what the difference between welfare and entitlement programs is and she just stuttered like an idiot.

Condealism wrote:Regarding the "embassy citizens", I think someone's working on a treaty that would make the citizen registers of its signatories compatible with one another.

In the event this treaty passes, I would still recommend testing those who use this system on our region's laws, if the treaty would allow for such a thing.

Yeah, I was going to give them a test similar to the regular one, but slightly shorter because they'd technically already be citizens.

Still enough of a test to prove they know the laws, but not so much of a test that they're not deterred from claiming their citizenship here.

Uh, disregard the "Not" between "they're" and "deterred".

Pevvania wrote:Got an internship with my MP, who happens to be a prominent member of the Conservative government. He is a party-line Tory (sigh), but hopefully I can change things from the inside.

Don't like steel beams? Become jet fuel and change them from the inside.

Tyrinth, Kings Island, Pevvania, The New United States

Muh Roads wrote:Don't like steel beams? Become jet fuel and change them from the inside.

Expect my letter of resignation first thing in the morning.

Humpheria wrote:Expect my letter of resignation first thing in the morning.

Jet fuel can't melt steel memes.

Muh Roads wrote:Don't like steel beams? Become jet fuel and change them from the inside.

Ottoman cannon balls aren't fast enough to breach bronze gates! 1453 was an inside job!

The New United States, Muh Roads, Condealism, Midland County

Condealism wrote:Jet fuel can't melt steel memes.

Yeah, I got that.

Humpheria wrote:Expect my letter of resignation first thing in the morning.

Condealism wrote:Jet fuel can't melt steel memes.

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams coral!

Kings Island wrote:Ottoman cannon balls aren't fast enough to breach bronze gates! 1453 was an inside job!

Hahahaha first time I heard that one

Muh Roads wrote:Hahahaha first time I heard that one

Thanks haha

If you guys could change 5 things in history what would you have changed.

I would,

1.have the Byzantine Empire never fall.

2.The US does not enter WW1.

3.have Republicans win all the elections through the Great Depression.

4.have Lord Roads as founder of Libertatem

5.Prevent the Federal Reserve from forming.

jokes about despicable people who slaughtered millions of animals, intentionally starving their neighbors: unforgivable

jokes about the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil which served as the impetus for new imperialist wars: barrels of laughs

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