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Region: Libertatem
So was the TSA. Not sure how much good that did.
Also, there's something along the lines of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" or something of the sort.
TSA?
But the thing is that freedom unless hurting another person, right?
Employers, workers and Consumers should be able to have economic right's unless it hurts another, right?
I fail to see how having economic freedom could hurt someone else.
Sure, having total freedom would result in being able to do some very unethical things. Good thing is, most people aren't of the type that would do that, and ideally if you feel you're being exploited somehow by your employer, you'd just be able to leave. Sure, sometimes that's not always true, but we can always work towards it.
Really now?
1. TSA?
2. You never know. Power corrupts, you never know what too much or too little economic freedoms can do to a Worker, Employer or Consumer.
3. No matter what we won't ever reach it, which is why there need to be some safeguards. Stamps to tell consumers what's in the food they eat. Laws and working conditions so Workers are treated fairly and aren't pushed into doing work that could seriously kill them. Laws for employers so their ideas are kept to themselves.
1) If you really think food manufacturers are going to put ridiculously unhealthy things in their products if they're left to their own devices, one has to wonder where you get your information from; they need people to buy their products, so if word gets out that their products cause people to become ill or die, then they lose business. Besides the fact that if one does not doing your research and also assuming that any, say, chocolate product has likely been in contact with peanuts when they've got a peanut allergy, then it's their own fault when they have some serious reaction to something that everyone else in the world knows has peanuts in it.
2) What, you really think that suddenly people would be forced to near-death working conditions if we dropped most of our regulations? If workers are being abused, then they'll just take their skills elsewhere, forcing their ex-employer to treat his employees better because suddenly he's not getting enough work done to turn a profit (and hopefully the guys he hires to replace the ones that quit will do the same). Boom. Problems solved.
3) So suddenly work will become an indoctrination center?
Anyways, I can sense that this is just going to end up in a permanent stalemate, and I'll just drop out now because neither one of us will go anywhere with this.
So I overheard the greatest thing today: "Universal Health Care is needed because it benefits of of people's weaknesses which is wrong. Also, we need to make sure that everyone will earn a equal and certain amount in the future because robots will end up taking over human jobs because companies are greedy and are too cheap to pay people to do the job." What the fu*king fu*k?
We should just make being stupid illegal and see what happens.
I mean seriously? By the way, the guy supports communism. Surprise Surprise.
i think they make medication for that now
[insert joke about cyanide here]
If robots take care of production then we will be more efficient at production which means cheaper goods.
Fun fact: There will be a partial solar eclipse tomorrow around sunset. Hopefully the sky's clear enough to see it. North America isn't getting a decent eclipse until 2017, and then after that we'll all be dead by the next one. So, y'know, go see this one if you can.
What do you guys think about a Sovereignty of Justice Act. An act that makes it illegal to go to the mods with problems first. It would require citizens to take care of things at a regional lvl before a mod lvl.
NO!
CFN IMPLEMENTED IT.
THE REGION is under watch by mods more than ever and it split the region In half over it's debate.
With 4 "blood moons" and a solar eclipse John Hagee followers will panic.
Why should the mods have to intervene in everything. If we take care of it it will reduce the amount of work the mods have to do.
Now you know where I got the idea.
We can't possibly implement and enforce that, besides, I'm sure that's against the site rules de facto.
Dont even suggest it.
Dumbest thong CFN ever did.
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Lol I love you tta.
...love ya too.
Lets see what ekse could we do? We could give the board unrestricted citizenship grant powers with the presidents sig to the grant, ummm tfa do you have any ideas?
I like the idea, but pretty much this^
Make a law that the WAD can't have over 3 endorsers.
The idea is bad...CFN tried it...and we got screwed.
It is a terrible idea.
...why? That's not beneficial to a region at war..
Might as well let the Commies stroll in and take us over
End the war!
It's a joke Muh.
Oh sorry. Didn't catch it :p
You go to gulag.
Make ns a mormon theocracy right tta! Jk
I mean libertatem. Still jk.
We have a Gulag? Ooohh Aahh lol
I would support a Mormon Theocracy.
Mormon Government has control of Education, Law and Economics.
Institute a Mormon Style Welfare system under United Order.
But Inplement Mormon Belief in Free Agency thus making the Theocracy socially Libertarian.
Implement the Theodemocracy standard of old Deseret as well.
I prefer firing squad
Nah execution sucks. might as well force hard labor on your enemies to death. Then they're atleast useful.
While we are at it we can make muh roads the successor to the glorious prophet joe smith!
Woah.
Woah.
Woah.
Don't you invalidate muh Muhster like that.
It would only be used in special cases like tta.
NO!
A Mormon must be chosen...
The way of Choosing a leader is.
1. Leader chosen by God
2. People sustain the leader
3. If 80 percent do not sustain then a new leader is chosen by the one originally chosen.
But it doesn't make any sense. The Board already has the power to vote on the reinstatement of citizenship upon one whose citizenship was revoked.
We did that once before. Of course, the Board has nothing to do with whether or not the IA Manager actually wants to reinstate the aforementioned citizenship, but they do have at least a bit of a say in what goes on.
Is that not a special enough case? What defines a special case? Who's to say that the Board won't just completely invalidate the IA manager with something like this?
And, honestly, I don't see how TTA is a "special case".
... I'm special though.
Then why isn't tta citizen yet. Shouldn't ttas puppets count as tta? Its the same person just different nations. They all equal tta.
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Look, man, go ask Muh about that, he's the one in charge of these procedures now.
The way I would have done it, and the way I'm certain FRAUD says it's done, is that the Department of IA doesn't care if all the nations are controlled by the same person; it's the nation that holds citizenship, not the person. It's why citizenship transfers need to be to an already-eligible puppet, not a fresh one.
And, honestly, we really should reduce the diplomat wait time; one month really does seem to be quite a lot of time.
Me and Muh already discussed it..on Wednesday I can sign for citizenship using the Warring States of the Mediterranean.
Ok then what do you guys think of a puppet registry. All nations under a citizens name woukd be considered equal to a persons individual citizens.
example
(The Amarican Empire)=the general of the American Empire= the captain of the secret service= same person which is same one vote.
That seems completely useless and a waste of time, honestly.
I think that citizenship should be with the individual user and not the specific ns nation.
Well, good.
Now stop thinking about it and write a bill.
I actually have a bill for mt region and this region.
It hurts political party freedoms but protects others.
What does that even mean?
But you just said it was usless and a waste of time.
Anti-Genocide Party bill.
I said a puppet register was useless and a waste of time. And I'm like one guy, we've got 20 other citizens that could think totally differently.
Still don't know what that means but OK.
You'll understand it.
Tta. Mien understand me more then what you just said. And thats saying something.
That said, I'm off to sleep.
Will be a surprise in the morning. That's fun for you guys.
I'm basically banning a political ideology from becoming a political party.
Socially libertarian theocracy? I'm not sure how that would work.
Anti-Genocide party? Says the one who supports Putin, and supports the Holodomor denying commie (V Ming).
1. United Order is an economic system that rejects capitalism and Socialism. Look it up. Church Welfare is included.
2. Mormon religion preaches Free Agency. While most don't apply this politically some do so it's possible.
3. Yeah control over Law education and economy. Make ut Theodemocracy system. Look it up.
That's where I go the idea.
Ill sum it up, tta is on crack.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Order
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodemocracy
This guyyyy
Kind of a waste of time...
Your a waste of time! Joking I love you muh roads. Dont hurt me.....
It wouldn't.
North Korea = fascist. The irony of them fighting along "Antifa" is too much to bear.
This is a horrible idea.
First of all, this implies a threat to use site administration as a weapon if the region cannot come to an agreement (e.g. "Accept the punishment we are giving you or you will be reported"). Needless to say, that's a big no-no.
Second of all, having the regional government declare something "illegal", or otherwise prohibit public action for a dubious cause, is a step on the path to authoritarianism. It is not the place of Libertatem officials to tell the region's citizens that they are not allowed to contact or associate with site moderators.
Finally, the site's rules do not fall under our jurisdiction. It's the responsibility of the site's players to determine what is a greater or lesser dispute, to handle lesser disputes among themselves, and to defer to the judgment of the mods during greater disputes or clear violations of the NationStates terms of service. It is not the responsibility of the Libertatem government to mandate action or inaction among these players, or to interfere in the reporting/moderating process.
Alright, Board members, I've got a couple of votes for you.
In accordance with FRAUD Act Section VI Subsection III, the Board may vote to reinstate TTA's citizenship (for the puppet he currently has within the region, provided he keeps it here for as long as he seeks to retain citizenship) by waiving the ten day waiting period. In addition, the Board may also vote to amend legislation, specifically the FRAUD Act, to cut the foreign dignitary waiting time in half, so that the clauses containing "thirty" are amended to say "fifteen". I believe it is time for us to do both.
Two legislation proposals are on the floor:
Proposal: Allow TTA's Waiting Period Bypass
Proposal: Amend FRAUD Act ("thirty" -> "fifteen")
Board members may choose to vote FOR or AGAINST both or either proposal, or may elect to abstain. As always, if you don't want your vote to be public, please telegram it to myself as well as the other members of the Board for purposes of accountability. As with each vote, this will be recorded in this month's log.
I vote FOR both proposals.
I agree with the Chair and vote aye on both proposals.
Theocracy and representative democracy, two evils in one package.
Fair point
I can wait like 6 more days..
Democracy is evil. Get over it.
I'm inclined to agree absolutely.
I've been reading up on some of the laws, and it seems to me that the Board would not have the authority to grant citizenships. It would appear that the government is set up using standard checks and balances, which, if so, would imply that the Board cannot affront executive responsibility by a simple majority vote. It would seem to me that the Board deeming it fit to grant itself more power is, to use the Chairman's terms, a step on the authoritarianism.
Okay my Party List is almost done. Just need to add the Banned Islamist Party.
Wouldn't it just be "Banned Muslim Party"?
It's not a banned party.
Muslim Party Isn't as nice sounding as the word Islamist Party.
So there we go.
3 Left Parties banned
1 Fascist Party in power
And
1 Islamic Party allowed
But.....
But they are the same word.
A clause in FRAUD Act Section VI Subsection III specifically reads, "Alternatively, an individual that has renounced citizenship may bypass the ten-day waiting period, at the Board's discretion".
TTA (rather, his puppet(s)) has indeed renounced citizenship before and is in the process of a ten-day waiting period to submit an application to the Manager of Internal Affairs. The Board has the authority to vote to waive the ten day waiting period in this case, meaning all TTA would have to do upon the passage of this vote is submit the application through the puppet he has here to Muh Roads (and to give us ten days' notice whenever he wants to switch puppets). Note that TTA, in part because of his tendency to switch puppets and in part because of inaction on the part of former Managers of Internal Affairs (no offense, Mr. President), has been waiting for multiple months to receive his citizenship, and many in this region believe it should be returned to him.
I was not aware that he had previously renounced his citizenship.
Why do you think we're calling him by a name that doesn't match any of the puppets he's currently using? That's how we know him.
I switched Three Times...due to personal reasons.
I think that's done though so yay...
I'm serious. I can wait 6 more days. I'm not dying.
I'd like to vote in favor of restoring TTA's citizenship, hoping that he doesn't do anything to lose again in the foreseeable future...
I can wait...6. Dang. Days.
I was told that the Masses in this region were suffering under the rule of the Royalists. I am here to free all and spread the ideals of Republicanism, Independence and Socialism.
Royalists??? I think you heard incorrectly. We're quite keen on republicanism (little r) and independence, hold the socialism though... ;-)
I prefer constitutional demarchy
But socialism is the removal of the oppressive system of Royalty promoted by capitalism.
"royalty"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
Lel
Royals wanted control of there kingdoms economy and this region has an Emperor hos name is liberosia.
His*
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