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geez america, what's wrong with you? I'm really disappointed tbh.

Lain Iwakura wrote:Tell me about it.

It's like some kind of dystopian movie only it's real. I'm downright embarrassed to be an American right now.

Also, I'm apparently not allowed to use profanity around here. Go figure.

I actually have a friend who says he loves Sanders but wouldn't mind Trump at all.

Yeah.

Parvimperia

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:I actually have a friend who says he loves Sanders but wouldn't mind Trump at all.

Yeah.

Woah, it's like they have such the same policies or something it's impossible to tell the difference! (o_0)

Parvimperia

Bernie Sanders wants to make college and healthcare free, along with having the federal government pay for infrastructure and put everyone on welfare. To do so, he's going to raise taxes.

I feel that that's a very bad idea. Even if he raises taxes,he will have to pull a lot of money out of his [expletive] to make his plans happen, because even if he taxes the living [expletive] out of everyone, he still won't have enough money.

P.S. I'm sorry that I haven't been on, I was very busy in real life.

Miencraft, Pevvania, San Andrias

Now I have a question for some of the more economically versed here (or anyone else if you would like). I know that automation of the work force isn't necessarily bad as it increases efficiency and increases the supply of goods making them a lot cheaper, but for the workers right now and in the close future who lose their job, how will they be able to afford these cheaper goods without a wage? Will there always be other jobs or is there another way? (I'm asking since at school we had a presentation about how automation will make us young people's careers very different from now, and one of the suggestions for the labor problem would be a living wage and I would like an explanation to disprove that so-called solution that's free-market oriented.

The Aradites wrote:Now I have a question for some of the more economically versed here (or anyone else if you would like). I know that automation of the work force isn't necessarily bad as it increases efficiency and increases the supply of goods making them a lot cheaper, but for the workers right now and in the close future who lose their job, how will they be able to afford these cheaper goods without a wage? Will there always be other jobs or is there another way? (I'm asking since at school we had a presentation about how automation will make us young people's careers very different from now, and one of the suggestions for the labor problem would be a living wage and I would like an explanation to disprove that so-called solution that's free-market oriented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

This video is actually pretty interesting.

New Jaslandia

The Aradites wrote:Woah, it's like they have such the same policies or something it's impossible to tell the difference! (o_0)

We live in Europe and he seems to be a fan of the European type of "third way" politics. Not the American centrist "third way". The European type combines (IMO) pretty much the worst hings from both left wing and right wing, namely extreme social conservatism plus economical socialism. Kinda like the ultimate statism. They're considered nationalist, too.

So he likes it when Trump talks about deporting Muslims and other things that are typically considered socially extremely conservative and he likes it when Sanders talks about socialism. It's pretty strange.

To bring some joke in, I think you could call it something like "national" "socialism" (haha).

Lain Iwakura

Rand Paul is out, Trump and Sanders win the New Hampshire primaries

RIP USA

San Andrias, Rateria, Teuberland, Lain Iwakura, Suravtap

Pevvania wrote:Rand Paul is out, Trump and Sanders win the New Hampshire primaries

RIP USA

^

http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/02-FEB/MAD-Magazine-Socialist-Network_56bcbec271ae64.33237947.jpg

Pevvania

Question: is the correlation between government size and power as strong as many of us believed? Britain has a very strong central government that controls almost every facet of policy, but its economic freedom is very good and has low levels of regulation. Meanwhile, Australia has a federal constitutional system slightly similar to the US's but has very strict regulations across the country.

"Fascism is capitalist"

http://tinyurl.com/jufduuc

New Jaslandia

Pevvania wrote:Question: is the correlation between government size and power as strong as many of us believed? Britain has a very strong central government that controls almost every facet of policy, but its economic freedom is very good and has low levels of regulation. Meanwhile, Australia has a federal constitutional system slightly similar to the US's but has very strict regulations across the country.

I think you're confusing big government with central government. The UK is a unitary state while Australia is a federation. This doesn't tell anything about economic policy. Some federations are pretty socialist while eome of the most economically free nations are unitary states. There's not necessarily a connection, although there can be.

I do think federations work better for most people because local governments can represent their voters better than central governments.

Pevvania

Pevvania wrote:"Fascism is capitalist"

http://tinyurl.com/jufduuc

Considering some aren't even sure if fascism can be said to have a unified economic theory, let alone an economic theory that's even guided by economics, saying whether fascism is capitalist or not is complicated, but like you said, just stating "fascism is capitalist" isn't quite accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

Just noticed we're locked. Why is that?

Admittedly I haven't been paying the greatest of attention the past few weeks.

Lain Iwakura wrote:Just noticed we're locked. Why is that?

Admittedly I haven't been paying the greatest of attention the past few weeks.

I think originally it was because of the vote. It might have been extended for some other reasons I don't know.

I've got a blank space baby, and i'll write your name! ;)

New Jaslandia

Lain Iwakura wrote:Just noticed we're locked. Why is that?

Admittedly I haven't been paying the greatest of attention the past few weeks.

It was locked when RWN lost WAD status.

Right beside my town resides a Mohawk reservation, which provides what I think is a great example of how elimination of taxes bring prosperity and greater service to consumers and the community. The Mohawk don't have to pay nearly any of the taxes (possibly none) to the Canadian or Quebec government, on the reserve, price of goods being sold are cheaper than in my town (literally connecting to it, so it's something obvious). For example, gas prices are a little cheaper but can be nearly have half the town price (but of course they're just making profits for their business), but one of the biggest kicker is a restaurant there. It has amazing food and a meal for 2 with a refill costs less then $20. Essentially, it makes all the restaurants in the town, completely obsolete and it's just because these people, don't have to pay these taxes which let's them use the extra money for investing in their business and lowering the cost of their goods!

Rateria, Parvimperia

The Aradites wrote:It was locked when RWN lost WAD status.

That long, huh? Guess I should pay more attention.

CARDS AGAINST HUMANITY - INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICAN UNION GAME NIGHT

If you're reading this, you're invited!

Link to the game: https://azala.info/static/index.html?game=3hX4

Name of the game room: Iru_game_night

Password to game room: Condealism

Allow me to clarify that you all are invited for more than five seconds at a time.

Muh Roads wrote:I've got a blank space baby, and i'll write your name! ;)

I'm Jaslandia, and I approve this Taylor Swift reference.

Muh Roads

With the death of Justice Scalia I have no hope for the future. *sigh*

San Andrias, Lain Iwakura

I love you guys.

The United States Of Patriots wrote:With the death of Justice Scalia I have no hope for the future. *sigh*

Don't exaggerate. Realistically Obama will probably have to appoint a moderate conservative and life won't change much only because some justice was replaced.

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Don't exaggerate. Realistically Obama will probably have to appoint a moderate conservative and life won't change much only because some justice was replaced.

The only hope that remains is the fact that Obama doesn't have much time left so he must play ball with republicans in order to secure his "legacy."

This has potential to devastate America for years to come if it goes badly, so it's easy to see why people are taking it so seriously.

Regardless of the political consequences, I am deeply saddened by the death of Justice Scalia. He was a masterful jurist and a giant of the legal field who served his country in one of the most honorable ways.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia

The United States Of Patriots wrote:With the death of Justice Scalia I have no hope for the future. *sigh*

I have less hope for the immediate future because of the presidential candidates.

The worst:

Trump for supporting the idea of removing 3% of the population (illegal immigrate deportation);

Sanders for his consistent support for free college in a country that has a debt of $18 trillion, and

Clinton for having inconsistencies on political issues (e.g. being for and against NAFTA and TPP as stated in the Democratic Debate in Milwaukee).

Meanwhile, the fact that the appointment of a SCOTUS judge is so politicized is what is worrisome. It should be secondary what a judge's political views are compared to how little those values permeate their legal rulings and how committed they are to delivering a fair ruling.

Attention citizens, our ally Ireland is in need of endorsements for security. Please endorse Austraswabi when you get there

TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

Christopher Cantwell is a moron.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

#wut

Miencraft, Hallo Island, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Today's New York Times: "Some Economists See Huge Costs in Sanders’s Agenda"

"Some Economists"

Gotta love the NYT.

San Andrias, Rateria, Lain Iwakura, The United States Of Patriots

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Don't exaggerate. Realistically Obama will probably have to appoint a moderate conservative and life won't change much only because some justice was replaced.

Or a moderate liberal. Or just a plain-old centrist. I'm no political scientist, but I think it would be in the Republicans' best interests to get a new justice before Obama ends his term. If the Republicans lose both the presidential and Congressional elections in 2016, then Democrats will have complete control of the government, and there's nothing stopping Hillary or Bernie from appointing the most liberal judge to the Supreme Court. The Republicans could appoint a die-hard conservative or libertarian if they win the presidency and maintain control of Congress, but if someone like Trump or Cruz is at the head of the ticket, I don't see that happening.

#2 for most extensive civil rights in Libertatem! Yay me!

Oh freedom, oh freedom, oh freedom over me

And before I'd be a slave I'll be buried in my grave

And go home to my Lord and be free

New Jaslandia

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Don't exaggerate. Realistically Obama will probably have to appoint a moderate conservative and life won't change much only because some justice was replaced.

Im not exaggerating. I live by the motto "Be a pessimist. You will either always be right, or presently surprised"

Rateria

Hello Libertatem! I'm messaging you today to let you know that I will no longer be the Ambassador of the CFN to Libertatem as I have won election to the seat of Minister of Foreign Affairs. I wish you the best of luck in all your endeavors.

-Minnie

San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Humpheria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Im not exaggerating. I live by the motto "Be a pessimist. You will either always be right, or presently surprised"

You mean "pleasantly"?

Looks like they're finally going to make legislation faster in the game.http://www.nationstates.net/page=news/2016/02/15/index.html

New Jaslandia, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Teuberland

Parvimperia wrote:Looks like they're finally going to make legislation faster in the game.http://www.nationstates.net/page=news/2016/02/15/index.html

More importantly: FOUR ISSUES PER DAY!!!!!! Now I won't ever need to leave my computer!

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Teuberland wrote:More importantly: FOUR ISSUES PER DAY!!!!!! Now I won't ever need to leave my computer!

Seriously? Man, I'm already busy enough ignoring two issues per day.

Miencraft, Rateria, Teuberland

Parvimperia wrote:You mean "pleasantly"?

whoops! yeah

Rateria

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Today's New York Times: "Some Economists See Huge Costs in Sanders’s Agenda"

"Some Economists"

Gotta love the NYT.

How about, "90% of economists that aren't paid by leftist organizations"

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Yay! My nation is improving a lot! Look at my economy!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:How about, "90% of economists that aren't paid by leftist organizations"

To be fair every economist is paid by someone and this someone always has interests but this "some economists" is still pretty hilarious.

Just want to let y'all know that I'm withdrawing citizenship and heading out.

It's been fun, but I kind of want to change things up.

Best wishes to y'all.

Lain Iwakura wrote:Just want to let y'all know that I'm withdrawing citizenship and heading out.

It's been fun, but I kind of want to change things up.

Best wishes to y'all.

That reminds me, I should probably apply for citizenship. Can someone explain the difference between the three parties?

Lain Iwakura wrote:Just want to let y'all know that I'm withdrawing citizenship and heading out.

It's been fun, but I kind of want to change things up.

Best wishes to y'all.

Wait come back I love you!

New Jaslandia

Ill go down with this ship.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots

I wish underage drinking and drugs were was just as cool as tax evasion with the kids

"hey kid, wanna try some 'a dis bitcoin?"

I won't win an Academy Award this year.

There will be a Libertarian debate on Stossel in March.

*eagle cawing intensifies*

Parvimperia

Lain Iwakura wrote:Just want to let y'all know that I'm withdrawing citizenship and heading out.

It's been fun, but I kind of want to change things up.

Best wishes to y'all.

Well, I wish you the best. Goodbye.

Please accept my retirement as the Appellate Justice of the Supreme Court.

Again, and I believe for the final time, I must bid goodbye to the region as I feel that I cannot provide adequate attention. It's been a long two years and I am infinitely proud of what I have accomplished with you all. Best of luck.

Humph

Miencraft, Pevvania, San Andrias, Rateria

It's a shame. Libertatem is dying out again.

I think it may be a good idea to remove the password.

San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria, The Aradites, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Teuberland

Humpheria wrote:Please accept my retirement as the Appellate Justice of the Supreme Court.

Again, and I believe for the final time, I must bid goodbye to the region as I feel that I cannot provide adequate attention. It's been a long two years and I am infinitely proud of what I have accomplished with you all. Best of luck.

Humph

Goodbye Humphy, I don't if you're leaving NS or just Libertatem, but I wish you luck anyways. You were and are a great leader and I thank you for the guidance you gave to me and others in Libertatem. I'm sure we all really wish you weren't going but you do what's best for you.

Thanks for your service,

Chief Justice Aradites

Rateria

Things that should be done:

- Remove password

- Recruit new members

- A notice on why the government has been so dead recently and what's up with the FMT?

San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, The United States Of Patriots

Lain Iwakura wrote:Just want to let y'all know that I'm withdrawing citizenship and heading out.

It's been fun, but I kind of want to change things up.

Best wishes to y'all.

Humpheria wrote:Please accept my retirement as the Appellate Justice of the Supreme Court.

Again, and I believe for the final time, I must bid goodbye to the region as I feel that I cannot provide adequate attention. It's been a long two years and I am infinitely proud of what I have accomplished with you all. Best of luck.

Humph

Really sorry to see both of you go. Good luck to both of you in whatever you choose to do!

Rateria

Have you guys seen how awful some of the LP candidates' websites are?

San Andrias

Parvimperia wrote:Have you guys seen how awful some of the LP candidates' websites are?

Mcafee, Petersen and Johnson (Maybe Kerbel) are the only respectable ones.

San Andrias wrote:Mcafee, Petersen and Johnson (Maybe Kerbel) are the only respectable ones.

I mean, those are the 3 most important ones, I don't even know who the others are.

The Aradites wrote:I mean, those are the 3 most important ones, I don't even know who the others are.

Kerbel, Perry and Feldman were the most important before the other three entered the race.

Any widely held Libertarian positions any of you guys aren't sure about or don't agree with?

Parvimperia wrote:Any widely held Libertarian positions any of you guys aren't sure about or don't agree with?

If you're talking about the LP, then no not at all, but if you're talking about the philosophy and its uses, then I'm still really iffy on a wholly private justice system.

Parvimperia wrote:Any widely held Libertarian positions any of you guys aren't sure about or don't agree with?

I still believe in Education Vouchers instead of State Run Education, while some Libertarians don't believe in government funded education at all. I see it as a temporary solution, but as Milton Friedman once said: "Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program."

The Aradites wrote:If you're talking about the LP, then no not at all, but if you're talking about the philosophy and its uses, then I'm still really iffy on a wholly private justice system.

Talking about the idealogy.

The Aradites wrote:If you're talking about the LP, then no not at all, but if you're talking about the philosophy and its uses, then I'm still really iffy on a wholly private justice system.

I like my governments small, but I don't like my justice privatized.

San Andrias, Rateria

"Following new legislation in Teuberland, breast milk lattes are the newest fad among hip urbanites. "

I love NationStates.

Miencraft, San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria

I feel like we are in a never ending government shutdown.

New Jaslandia, The Aradites

A private justice system is a fantastic idea, I'd say, but really the imposition of any law at all is antithetical to freedom.

San Andrias wrote:I feel like we are in a never ending government shutdown.

You mean Libertatem's government, right?

New Jaslandia wrote:You mean Libertatem's government, right?

Yes

I'd be happy to step up to a government position if it's needed. I have lots of experience as President of the Conservative League and I'm sure I could help add some more activity to it.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria

MHOMEN SAVE US, THIS YOUR TIME!

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria

I am more than happy to place myself in a presidential race, just so that we can get through this period of low activity.

The New United States, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I am more than happy to place myself in a presidential race, just so that we can get through this period of low activity.

While I wouldn't want to displace any Libertatem natives, I may be willing to stay involved in Libertatem politics if necessary to keep activity up here.

The New United States, Rateria

Hello everyone!

Zehn wrote:Hello everyone!

Hi, hopefully you'll have a good time here!

When are board elections?

San Andrias wrote:When are board elections?

Technically whenever, since they were on indefinite hiatus. I was the only one that announced the defense of my seat.

The Aradites wrote:Technically whenever, since they were on indefinite hiatus. I was the only one that announced the defense of my seat.

Why are we on indefinite hiatus? What happened?

San Andrias wrote:Why are we on indefinite hiatus? What happened?

Well, nobody announced if they were running or defending, etc. But elections could start soon I hope if enough of us demand it.

New Jaslandia

You know what's great about this? I'm seeing new people, concerned about the future of Libertatem.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

So Jeb is gone. What do we think?

Hi guys, nice to join a region of fellow libertarians. Anyone coming to Prague to the European Students for Liberty Conference in March?

Ankha wrote:So Jeb is gone. What do we think?

whatever

San Andrias

Ankha wrote:So Jeb is gone. What do we think?

We need to put him on the suicide/shooting watchlist. :p

The United States Of Patriots

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I am more than happy to place myself in a presidential race, just so that we can get through this period of low activity.

And i shall not be running for reelection

Muh Roads wrote:You know what's great about this? I'm seeing new people, concerned about the future of Libertatem.

Do I still count as new? I would assume so. But either way it is disheartening to see Libertatem in decline

The New United States, San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria

Ancapville wrote:Hi guys, nice to join a region of fellow libertarians. Anyone coming to Prague to the European Students for Liberty Conference in March?

No, unfortunately I am not wealthy enough to go to Europe, much less Prague.

Are you from Europe? If so, where?

Muh Roads wrote:You know what's great about this? I'm seeing new people, concerned about the future of Libertatem.

Or spies. <<

>>

Gotta stay ahead of the game, Muh.

San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Or spies. <<

>>

Gotta stay ahead of the game, Muh.

I'm the real life person behind Patvarus impersonating my own main nation with a spy puppet in Libertatem. You caught me.

Rateria, Las-Vegas

Ancapville wrote:Hi guys, nice to join a region of fellow libertarians. Anyone coming to Prague to the European Students for Liberty Conference in March?

Sure, who's paying for flight tickets?

The New United States

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Or spies. <<

>>

Gotta stay ahead of the game, Muh.

It's cool, I'm assuming the role of de facto dictator anyhow.

The New United States, Rateria

Elections are in March, right?

Muh Roads wrote:It's cool, I'm assuming the role of de facto dictator anyhow.

And i am the revolutionary!

The New United States, Rateria

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