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Republic Of Minerva wrote:A religious leftist?

Blasphemy! Off with your head!

Maybe Leftism is its own religion.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80RyHTIqN2U

Watch all three parts and then tell me about "the lord."

Or if you don't that's fine I just want to present a video that thoroughly culminates my opposition to religion.

While I myself have serious reservations about the Horus-Jesus connections, the astronomy section is my main arguement through the video, taken from Zeitgeist btw. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:A religious leftist?

Blasphemy! Off with your head!

It's possible....

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Maybe Leftism is its own religion.

I'm Mormon

Also. I'm not leftist on anything but Economics and there I'm only a moderate leftist. I'm a moderate libertarian when it comes to civil rights

Who is Terra della liberta? He looks dangerously like a puppet.

Humpheria wrote:Who is Terra della liberta? He looks dangerously like a puppet.

Telegram them. Although usually leftists, fascists, and other assorted enemies do not go to the trouble of converting English to Latin.

I think someone is using a puppet to vote on a puppet-voting bill. But seriously, is he one of ours or a foreign puppet?

Humpheria wrote:I think someone is using a puppet to vote on a puppet-voting bill. But seriously, is he one of ours or a foreign puppet?

No clue, but that's some real irony.

Humpheria wrote:I think someone is using a puppet to vote on a puppet-voting bill. But seriously, is he one of ours or a foreign puppet?

Muh Roads wrote:No clue, but that's some real irony.

That would be extremely funny.

Humpheria wrote:I think someone is using a puppet to vote on a puppet-voting bill. But seriously, is he one of ours or a foreign puppet?

The lols are of noteworthy proportions

Well if were using puppets to vote on an anti-puppet act. Ima just going to observe before saying Yea or Nay.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80RyHTIqN2U

Watch all three parts and then tell me about "the lord."

Or if you don't that's fine I just want to present a video that thoroughly culminates my opposition to religion.

I'll watch it when I get on my computer. I don't think I can personally convince you of God, as my faith in Him is a matter of personal experience. I don't think it's reasonable to oppose all religion, as a religion is a type of organisation that varies wildly based on each one. Being opposed to religions is like being opposed to companies, or political parties.

Fun fact: the Confederacy was evil. It was not built on 'states' rights' at all - one of the reasons for secession was because of the Northern states violating the Fugitive Slave Laws. Abraham Lincoln had his faults, principally in killing the right to secede and supporting the 'American System' of tariffs and subsidies, but his expansion of property rights to an entire race of people is a great achievement indeed.

Pevvania wrote:Fun fact: the Confederacy was evil. It was not built on 'states' rights' at all - one of the reasons for secession was because of the Northern states violating the Fugitive Slave Laws. Abraham Lincoln had his faults, principally in killing the right to secede and supporting the 'American System' of tariffs and subsidies, but his expansion of property rights to an entire race of people is a great achievement indeed.

Oh Pev, you have no clue what you just did.. do you?

The civil war debate is my favorite, right next to debates about religion and abortions.

Muh Roads wrote:The civil war debate is my favorite, right next to debates about religion and abortions.

About abortion, why do we have an embassy with Right to Life. I feel like not everyone in the region shares the same position on abortion, so the government should not endorse one. I know that you are religious, Pevvania, but the self evidence of this embassy is unconstitutional. I propose that we dissolve the embassy, as your religion should not be pushed upon your people, Pev.

Pevvania wrote:I'll watch it when I get on my computer. I don't think I can personally convince you of God, as my faith in Him is a matter of personal experience. I don't think it's reasonable to oppose all religion, as a religion is a type of organisation that varies wildly based on each one. Being opposed to religions is like being opposed to companies, or political parties.

I'm opposed to the company of religion if that's what you mean, considering the church claims it's free but in order to feel good about yourself and get a true feeling of God 10% of your income has to go to the church. That makes no sense to me. Like, that is literally retarded and in my personal opinion I find religion to just be a non labor for a slavery pushed onto mankind to control people easily. It restricts freedom, another reason I don't believe in religion.

Hallo Island wrote:About abortion, why do we have an embassy with Right to Life. I feel like not everyone in the region shares the same position on abortion, so the government should not endorse one. I know that you are religious, Pevvania, but the self evidence of this embassy is unconstitutional. I propose that we dissolve the embassy, as your religion should not be pushed upon your people, Pev.

And I am not religious, but looking at things from a rational standpoint it is stupid to say a woman should not even give her child a chance and just have it killed because they weren't responsible enough to use contraceptives. And she can just give it up for adoption. Makes literally no sense. I think in the case of rape though, abortion should be ok because that is totally different and that actually could mess up the woman and the child could have psychological issues also. So other than rape abortions I think it's a waste of life.

Pevvania wrote:Fun fact: the Confederacy was evil. It was not built on 'states' rights' at all - one of the reasons for secession was because of the Northern states violating the Fugitive Slave Laws. Abraham Lincoln had his faults, principally in killing the right to secede and supporting the 'American System' of tariffs and subsidies, but his expansion of property rights to an entire race of people is a great achievement indeed.

Was this an invitation to debate, or we're you just joking?

As of today, March 6th, 2014, I am announcing my candidacy for Board Seat One. I am the Leader of the Anarcho-Capitalist-Anarcho-Queer Party. I believe in the smallest government possible if any is present at all and free markets. I am also an gay rights activist as well as a homosexual myself. If elected I promise to support our minority groups, however minuscule, recruit more nations for Libertatem, destroy socialism or liberalism in Libertatem, and uphold constitutional values.

Pevvania wrote:Fun fact: the Confederacy was evil. It was not built on 'states' rights' at all - one of the reasons for secession was because of the Northern states violating the Fugitive Slave Laws. Abraham Lincoln had his faults, principally in killing the right to secede and supporting the 'American System' of tariffs and subsidies, but his expansion of property rights to an entire race of people is a great achievement indeed.

"One of the reasons". Contrary to The Union Belief. The Civil war was actually a mixture of not only Slavery but States Rights AND Tariff Laws that would hurt the south's trade.

Slavery is only one if the three main causes.

Hallo Island wrote:About abortion, why do we have an embassy with Right to Life. I feel like not everyone in the region shares the same position on abortion, so the government should not endorse one. I know that you are religious, Pevvania, but the self evidence of this embassy is unconstitutional. I propose that we dissolve the embassy, as your religion should not be pushed upon your people, Pev.

Honestly. It's an embassy. He's not imposing religion on you. It's a simple thing saying we like each other.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I'm opposed to the company of religion if that's what you mean, considering the church claims it's free but in order to feel good about yourself and get a true feeling of God 10% of your income has to go to the church. That makes no sense to me. Like, that is literally retarded and in my personal opinion I find religion to just be a non labor for a slavery pushed onto mankind to control people easily. It restricts freedom, another reason I don't believe in religion.

And I am not religious, but looking at things from a rational standpoint it is stupid to say a woman should not even give her child a chance and just have it killed because they weren't responsible enough to use contraceptives. And she can just give it up for adoption. Makes literally no sense. I think in the case of rape though, abortion should be ok because that is totally different and that actually could mess up the woman and the child could have psychological issues also. So other than rape abortions I think it's a waste of life.

Look. Slavery and Religion are two different things. You don't have to pay tithe though it is suggested and asked. As for abortion it should only be used in two cases

1. Rape

2. Threatening to the mother or child

Hallo Island wrote:As of today, March 6th, 2014, I am announcing my candidacy for Board Seat One. I am the Leader of the Anarcho-Capitalist-Anarcho-Queer Party. I believe in the smallest government possible if any is present at all and free markets. I am also an gay rights activist as well as a homosexual myself. If elected I promise to support our minority groups, however minuscule, recruit more nations for Libertatem, destroy socialism or liberalism in Libertatem, and uphold constitutional values.

Or the ACAQP for short. Interesting concept for sure

Hallo Island wrote:As of today, March 6th, 2014, I am announcing my candidacy for Board Seat One. I am the Leader of the Anarcho-Capitalist-Anarcho-Queer Party. I believe in the smallest government possible if any is present at all and free markets. I am also an gay rights activist as well as a homosexual myself. If elected I promise to support our minority groups, however minuscule, recruit more nations for Libertatem, destroy socialism or liberalism in Libertatem, and uphold constitutional values.

What the heck is that party named?

Look you promise to protect our minority them you promise to destroy socialism. In this region SOCIALISM IS the minority.

Lack There Of wrote:Or the ACAQP for short. Interesting concept for sure

Definitely.

The smallest minority is the individual. B)

Hallo Island wrote:About abortion, why do we have an embassy with Right to Life. I feel like not everyone in the region shares the same position on abortion, so the government should not endorse one. I know that you are religious, Pevvania, but the self evidence of this embassy is unconstitutional. I propose that we dissolve the embassy, as your religion should not be pushed upon your people, Pev.

Then we should also dissolve embassies with Zarathustra, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.

See where I am going with this?

I just love the hell out of this region, we make multiple parties all representing similar things. I just want a big group hug.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Then we should also dissolve embassies with Zarathustra, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.

See where I am going with this?

Yep.

Muh Roads wrote:I just love the hell out of this region, we make multiple parties all representing similar things. I just want a big group hug.

*hugs*

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The smallest minority is the individual. B)

Ah but within the individual there are conflicting thoughts

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Then we should also dissolve embassies with Zarathustra, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.

See where I am going with this?

For the record we've had the push to cut ties with Apartheid South Africa, but to no avail. Their name is highly misleading, and doesn't mean what you think. A rep from that region actually came to talk about his region's history and ideology. They chose the name as a symbolic protest against the current South African regime.

The Time Alliance wrote:Look. Slavery and Religion are two different things. You don't have to pay tithe though it is suggested and asked. As for abortion it should only be used in two cases

1. Rape

2. Threatening to the mother or child

I forgot about threatening to mother's life my bad.

Slave- a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something

Religion makes you conduct your life in a certain way and makes you believe you are dependent on a god or gods. People blindly submit themselves to irrational ideas and think it's ok and don't even question it because religion tells them that is bad. It's indefensible.

And I think political parties as a physical thing and not just a ideology you can associate yourself with is stupid, especially in the US where 2 parties control everything including media and don't allow for third parties with really good ideas to gain any ground. It's depriving americans of other ways of thinking and is in itself a crime. They never get invited to any debates and hardly receive any publicity around election time, or EVER.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I forgot about threatening to mother's life my bad.

Slave- a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something

Religion makes you conduct your life in a certain way and makes you believe you are dependent on a god or gods. People blindly submit themselves to irrational ideas and think it's ok and don't even question it because religion tells them that is bad. It's indefensible.

And I think political parties as a physical thing and not just a ideology you can associate yourself with is stupid, especially in the US where 2 parties control everything including media and don't allow for third parties with really good ideas to gain any ground. It's depriving americans of other ways of thinking and is in itself a crime. They never get invited to any debates and hardly receive any publicity around election time, or EVER.

1. The religious argument is a belief based thing. If you don't like it or agree with it then that's you. Slavery is however not willing. So religious people aren't slaves. We believe in what we are taught because we have faith. My faith says we are dependent on God's somewhat but to achieve anything you must act yourself and conduct yourself. My religion believes in free choices of people. In which that there is a good or a bad but the individual is the only one whom in the end can choose to do good or bad. We will then be judged according to our actions by God himself. Thus we are dependent upon our own actions as well as God's sacrifice.

And what irrational ideas? I can attempt to explain My religious beliefs on these ideas.

2. It's not America's fault. A law passed saying to be at the debates you had to win 5 percent of the population last election. Which is impossible.

It appears that TFI 2nd Gen has been raided. If you haven't sent people to the garrison, please do so and endorse CI. The raiders can't do much because of the founders, but this is why we did this. Let's get CI back in office!

Hallo Island wrote:About abortion, why do we have an embassy with Right to Life. I feel like not everyone in the region shares the same position on abortion, so the government should not endorse one. I know that you are religious, Pevvania, but the self evidence of this embassy is unconstitutional. I propose that we dissolve the embassy, as your religion should not be pushed upon your people, Pev.

1. The Right To Life embassy was established soon after Libertatem's founding, long before I even arrived in the region.

2. Embassies with regions like RTL are established based on either ideological similarities or diplomatic reasons. It was a bit of both in this case. They share our anti-communism and their conservatism appeals to a fairly significant group within Libertatem. Our embassy with them does not signify that all of us agree with them on everything; it represents our loose ideological bonds in some, but not all, areas. For example, we are allies with Ucr, a mostly Communist region that shares aspects of voluntarism with our more radical residents.

3. Abortion has nothing to do with religion. I don't even know why it's considered a 'religious issue'. Regardless of whether one believes in God, it is scientific fact that 'foetuses' are living, breathing human beings. I don't see how God must necessarily enter into that.

4. What clause of the Constitution is our embassy a violation of?

Pevvania wrote:1. The Right To Life embassy was established soon after Libertatem's founding, long before I even arrived in the region.

2. Embassies with regions like RTL are established based on either ideological similarities or diplomatic reasons. It was a bit of both in this case. They share our anti-communism and their conservatism appeals to a fairly significant group within Libertatem. Our embassy with them does not signify that all of us agree with them on everything; it represents our loose ideological bonds in some, but not all, areas. For example, we are allies with Ucr, a mostly Communist region that shares aspects of voluntarism with our more radical residents.

3. Abortion has nothing to do with religion. I don't even know why it's considered a 'religious issue'. Regardless of whether one believes in God, it is scientific fact that 'foetuses' are living, breathing human beings. I don't see how God must necessarily enter into that.

4. What clause of the Constitution is our embassy a violation of?

Ahhh UCR most people there are Libertarian Left like me. It's a nice change of region.

Abortion is a ' religious issue ' because people think on Christians are against it.

Lack There Of wrote:Was this an invitation to debate, or we're you just joking?

The former.

Hallo Island wrote:As of today, March 6th, 2014, I am announcing my candidacy for Board Seat One. I am the Leader of the Anarcho-Capitalist-Anarcho-Queer Party. I believe in the smallest government possible if any is present at all and free markets. I am also an gay rights activist as well as a homosexual myself. If elected I promise to support our minority groups, however minuscule, recruit more nations for Libertatem, destroy socialism or liberalism in Libertatem, and uphold constitutional values.

I really like the concept of your new party (despite its inherent contradictions we've already established), and your platform is very unique. But as previously stated, the RLP does not endorse candidates outside of the party. Nevertheless, good luck to you and [nation=short]Lack there of[/nation].

The Time Alliance wrote:"One of the reasons". Contrary to The Union Belief. The Civil war was actually a mixture of not only Slavery but States Rights AND Tariff Laws that would hurt the south's trade.

Slavery is only one if the three main causes.

I know. Lincoln said in 1862 or 63 that the war was about "preserving the Union".

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Then we should also dissolve embassies with Zarathustra, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.

See where I am going with this?

I have considered closing the Zarathustra embassy many times, but it's largely one of military significance rather than anything else. We no longer have any real ties with them, but we salute their anti-communism. Apartheid South Africa is a widely misunderstood region, probably due to the race-baiting drivel of those like V Ming. They do not stand for apartheid, but rather what South Africa was like under apartheid, and before Mandela came to power. They contend that blacks were treated very well under the regime, and that the country was generally much safer and sounder economically than it has been since the ANC have been in office. Regardless, we empathise with their anti-socialism.

Humpheria wrote:It appears that TFI 2nd Gen has been raided. If you haven't sent people to the garrison, please do so and endorse CI. The raiders can't do much because of the founders, but this is why we did this. Let's get CI back in office!

By a quick examination of the TFI2 message board, it is clear that this was organised by [nation=short]Neutricland[/nation]'s friend - the vote-rigging accomplice [nation=short]Wadiya a[/nation], AKA [nation=short]Zondaland[/nation]. I will convene with the Managers and Chairman of the Board tomorrow on an appropriate course of action in light of this terrorist attack on our ally.

Pevvania wrote:

I know. Lincoln said in 1862 or 63 that the war was about "preserving the Union".

"History is written by the winners. "- Always remember this when studying the Civil War.

I for one believe the states should've been able to Secede (Especially Texas) without the Government declaring war. And yes yes. Fort Sumter. The South asked America to leave their territory. They USA refused.

Pevvania wrote:By a quick examination of the TFI2 message board, it is clear that this was organised by [nation=short]Neutricland[/nation]'s friend - the vote-rigging accomplice [nation=short]Wadiya a[/nation], AKA [nation=short]Zondaland[/nation]. I will convene with the Managers and Chairman of the Board tomorrow on an appropriate course of action in light of this terrorist attack on our ally.

There we go. An appropriate time to raid.

Raid them. Wipe them out. They attacked our ally.

The Time Alliance wrote:Ahhh UCR most people there are Libertarian Left like me. It's a nice change of region.

Abortion is a ' religious issue ' because people think on Christians are against it.

The only true libertarian leftist would be someone who believes in collectivist economics and would personally advocate their adoption, but would not coerce others into doing so. You, on the other hand, believe in coercion, so you cannot be 'libertarian'.

The Time Alliance wrote:There we go. An appropriate time to raid.

Raid them. Wipe them out. They attacked our ally.

I wish. But their Delegacy is non-executive.

Pevvania wrote:The only true libertarian leftist would be someone who believes in collectivist economics and would personally advocate their adoption, but would not coerce others into doing so. You, on the other hand, believe in coercion, so you cannot be 'libertarian'.

I wish. But their Delegacy is non-executive.

Not true. Leftism is only an economic rating and libertarianism is (on the scale they used) a political/social rating.

I believe in a mix of Socialism and Capitalism yet I believe in States Rights, gun rights, gay rights ect.

And I'm not sure I practice persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

And....dang it. So how'd we respond to them?

We don't. Their battle is with me; I alone must find a solution.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:We don't. Their battle is with me; I alone must find a solution.

I'm okay with this. It was your region that was attacked.

Thank you, Pevvania.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Once more, I'll handle this.

Con'll fix it. (Only Brits will get this joke.)

The Time Alliance wrote:Not true. Leftism is only an economic rating and libertarianism is (on the scale they used) a political/social rating.

I believe in a mix of Socialism and Capitalism yet I believe in States Rights, gun rights, gay rights ect.

And I'm not sure I practice persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

By the Political Compass definition, which admittedly is quite logical. But libertarianism is known as a belief that freedom is the highest political end. And while any form of communism inherently contradicts this belief, anarcho-communism and similar ideologies believe in elements of voluntarism.

Pevvania wrote:Con'll fix it. (Only Brits will get this joke.)

By the Political Compass definition, which admittedly is quite logical. But libertarianism is known as a belief that freedom is the highest political end. And while any form of communism inherently contradicts this belief, anarcho-communism and similar ideologies believe in elements of voluntarism.

And since you believe in state ownership of significant parts of the economy - necessarily raised through taxation - then you believe in coercion. You believe in forcibly taking someone's income for the 'benefit' of others. That is the use of force.

Pevvania wrote:Con'll fix it. (Only Brits will get this joke.)

By the Political Compass definition, which admittedly is quite logical. But libertarianism is known as a belief that freedom is the highest political end. And while any form of communism inherently contradicts this belief, anarcho-communism and similar ideologies believe in elements of voluntarism.

Pevvania wrote:And since you believe in state ownership of significant parts of the economy - necessarily raised through taxation - then you believe in coercion. You believe in forcibly taking someone's income for the 'benefit' of others. That is the use of force.

Well. What are you going to do? No taxes?

State ownership of the most important stuff wouldn't mean more taxes if you cut unnecessary programs like CIA, FBI, NSA, and the DOHS.

Also cutting pensions to businesses and stop giving MONEY TO UKRAINE WHEN WE HAVE NONE.

Sheesh, I attempt to fix a crisis and it doesn't dawn on me until after to make another "The Wrath of Con" joke. Can I get a do-over?

The Time Alliance wrote:Well. What are you going to do? No taxes?

State ownership of the most important stuff wouldn't mean more taxes if you cut unnecessary programs like CIA, FBI, NSA, and the DOHS.

Also cutting pensions to businesses and stop giving MONEY TO UKRAINE WHEN WE HAVE NONE.

Doesn't matter about one's personal view of the matter, it's still coercion. I'm a minarchist, so I advocate a limited form of coercion.

From comments like these, it seems like you're a libertarian in the making who just hasn't seen the data yet.

Speaking of spending, anyone else facepalming at Obama's strategy of "I've cut the deficit in half, so it's time to spend more again!"

Sometimes I don't know whether he's intentionally screwing the United States over or this much of a buffoon.

The Time Alliance wrote:1. The religious argument is a belief based thing. If you don't like it or agree with it then that's you. Slavery is however not willing. So religious people aren't slaves. We believe in what we are taught because we have faith. My faith says we are dependent on God's somewhat but to achieve anything you must act yourself and conduct yourself. My religion believes in free choices of people. In which that there is a good or a bad but the individual is the only one whom in the end can choose to do good or bad. We will then be judged according to our actions by God himself. Thus we are dependent upon our own actions as well as God's sacrifice.

And what irrational ideas? I can attempt to explain My religious beliefs on these ideas.

2. It's not America's fault. A law passed saying to be at the debates you had to win 5 percent of the population last election. Which is impossible.

Well then what's the point of religion if you have to do everything yourself? That means the power to do things and good will you have is already inside of you and certainly not given to you by god. Also, does that mean that all Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Inuit, Aborigines, Maori, and native american people are bad people? They didn't even know about Christianity before the Europeans came over. You would think god would want for everybody to know about his faith and not allow for his creations to worship somebody else. He is a selfish god after all, so why would he implant the knowledge of himself in their society? I guess they get to go to hell then just simply because god failed to let them know he existed. That seems pretty unfair. Especially if god loves everyone, then he would want everyone to know it and tell them. Africans and Asians too. Coincidentally, everybody that isn't European for the most part. That certainly is an odd coincidence isn't it?

And that's my point it is so unfair for third parties it makes me mad.

Pevvania wrote:By a quick examination of the TFI2 message board, it is clear that this was organised by [nation=short]Neutricland[/nation]'s friend - the vote-rigging accomplice [nation=short]Wadiya a[/nation], AKA [nation=short]Zondaland[/nation]. I will convene with the Managers and Chairman of the Board tomorrow on an appropriate course of action in light of this terrorist attack on our ally.

I think we should call upon the entire REATO collective army to mess them up! I'm so sick of Neutricland that. Ugh, I really wish cussing on here was ok. Because sometimes(mainly when talking about Neutricland) I really just want to.

TFI2 is not a valid target, nor should it be. They wanted their own sovereignty, and now they have it.

I believe I can solve this problem through use of diplomacy. And if not, then superior defenses.

The Time Alliance wrote:Well. What are you going to do? No taxes?

yes, that's exactly what I would do

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:TFI2 is not a valid target, nor should it be. They wanted their own sovereignty, and now they have it.

I believe I can solve this problem through use of diplomacy. And if not, then superior defenses.

CI that is absurd! You aren't seriously sugesting that after an attack and attempt to topple the government there you don't want to counter strike? That doesn't make any sense

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:CI that is absurd! You aren't seriously sugesting that after an attack and attempt to topple the government there you don't want to counter strike? That doesn't make any sense

Their strike was ineffectual; at most it was a nuisance.

Showing them that I am patient, strong, and unfazed might be the best way to get them to cease being an annoyance.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Their strike was ineffectual; at most it was a nuisance.

Showing them that I am patient, strong, and unfazed might be the best way to get them to cease being an annoyance.

No it is not! Neutricland wants to rid the region of Libertatem influence. He TGd me that. He will stop at nothing and it's all because of the election. He likes to pretend like he never does anything wrong and that he is infallible. Even though he brought in puppets to vote for him TWICE. We should really just wipe him out I'm sick of his sh crap.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:No it is not! Neutricland wants to rid the region of Libertatem influence. He TGd me that. He will stop at nothing and it's all because of the election. He likes to pretend like he never does anything wrong and that he is infallible. Even though he brought in puppets to vote for him TWICE. We should really just wipe him out I'm sick of his sh crap.

We can't do that right now. I'm giving him the chance to run away and keep his oh-so-precious reputation...but if he doesn't take it, we'll do it your way.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:We can't do that right now. I'm giving him the chance to run away and keep his oh-so-precious reputation...but if he doesn't take it, we'll do it your way.

Come on man. It's time to end it let's be realistic. We have to end his tyranny. We can't just let hime be because he will just strike us again in a month, probably just with more of his puppets because nobody is going to join his stupid region. And maybe UFA won't be able to save the region when he does come back. Why take the chance? Let's just hit him hard now while they have few and if he creates another region, we hit that one too, and we keep doing it until he ends his quest to attack TFI2G. And even after that we keep an eye on him!

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Come on man. It's time to end it let's be realistic. We have to end his tyranny. We can't just let hime be because he will just strike us again in a month, probably just with more of his puppets because nobody is going to join his stupid region. And maybe UFA won't be able to save the region when he does come back. Why take the chance? Let's just hit him hard now while they have few and if he creates another region, we hit that one too, and we keep doing it until he ends his quest to attack TFI2G. And even after that we keep an eye on him!

haha I said hime

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Come on man. It's time to end it let's be realistic. We have to end his tyranny. We can't just let hime be because he will just strike us again in a month, probably just with more of his puppets because nobody is going to join his stupid region. And maybe UFA won't be able to save the region when he does come back. Why take the chance? Let's just hit him hard now while they have few and if he creates another region, we hit that one too, and we keep doing it until he ends his quest to attack TFI2G. And even after that we keep an eye on him!

Everything you've said is true, but how do you intend to hit him? His region is likely defended, spam is against the rules, and any attempt to sow discord will only bring more attention to his illegitimacy. That is why we must give peace a chance, first.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Well then what's the point of religion if you have to do everything yourself? That means the power to do things and good will you have is already inside of you and certainly not given to you by god. Also, does that mean that all Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Inuit, Aborigines, Maori, and native american people are bad people? They didn't even know about Christianity before the Europeans came over. You would think god would want for everybody to know about his faith and not allow for his creations to worship somebody else. He is a selfish god after all, so why would he implant the knowledge of himself in their society? I guess they get to go to hell then just simply because god failed to let them know he existed. That seems pretty unfair. Especially if god loves everyone, then he would want everyone to know it and tell them. Africans and Asians too. Coincidentally, everybody that isn't European for the most part. That certainly is an odd coincidence isn't it?

And that's my point it is so unfair for third parties it makes me mad.

Fun fact: the Democrats send money to Libertarian Party candidates and events to try to split the vote to beat the Republicans.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Fun fact: the Democrats send money to Libertarian Party candidates and events to try to split the vote to beat the Republicans.

....do the Libertarians accept it?

The Time Alliance wrote:....do the Libertarians accept it?

Yes. Why not?

I believe the Republicans do the same with the greens. So it is even. :p

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Yes. Why not?

I believe the Republicans do the same with the greens. So it is even. :p

-100 respect to all parties.

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Post self-deleted by Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes.

As much as i would like to do something militarily with Neutricland.. i have to agree with CI. Truth is, like a big spoiled brat all Neuty wants is attention.

Pevvania wrote:The former.

Firstly we need to establish that there were no "good guys" in the civil war. The north had been acting in a tyrannical manner for the decades preceding the war in an attempt to get as much out of international trade as possible, and we're all familiar with unsettling issues regarding the south's main industry.

The south was entirely within its rights to succeed as any state, or group of individuals, has the right to absolve ties with a group that no longer serves its interests. While militarization was prevalent on both sides in the months leading up to the conflict, the north bares the responsibility for the actual provocation starting armed conflict. After starting the war the north spent ungodly amounts of blood and money in vain attempts to recapture peoples who were not theirs to capture (oh the irony). It wasn't until the war was clearly going to the North that the abolitionist got their way and got around to the thirteenth amendment. This of course does not justify the barbaric savagery unleashed by union forces directly under the orders of Lincoln. Sherman's infamous march was one of the most horrific examples of war crimes committed by US troops, and on their "own" soil to their "own" people.

In addition to the brutal military actions, Lincoln did some serious crimes on the home front. Declaring martial law in Maryland in order to keep them from executing their rights as a sovereign peoples. Flooding Kentucky with northern soldiers to be a "friendly" influence. Relentlessly going after political dissenters, Copperheads, and reporters. His introducement of greenbacks haunts the american currency system to this day. The nationalization of certain railroads set a dangerous precedent for the war powers of the federal government. The granddaddy of them of all lincoln's atrocities was instituting the clearly unconstitutional income tax for the first time in American history.

I'm no southern sympathizer by any means, but the crimes of the North cannot go unexused simply because they ended slavery, which, arguably, was on its way out any way and an unsustainable economic system from the get-go.

"The Republic of Bonerino ceased to exist"

Alrighty then.

Alchandria wrote:"The Republic of Bonerino ceased to exist"

Alrighty then.

Yeah.. I'm a tattletale I guess.. the name wasn't all that bad but his national motto was pretty offensive.

Something pertaining to Germany's actions during WW2.

Well, let us all congratulate Pevvania on the first 100 days in office.

How the heck can you get good weather?

Where are dis issues.

The Time Alliance wrote:How the heck can you get good weather?

Where are dis issues.

Environmental issues.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Well, let us all congratulate Pevvania on the first 100 days in office.

WOO, KEGGER

Alchandria wrote:"The Republic of Bonerino ceased to exist"

Alrighty then.

Haha

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Hello, Libertatens. Back from the dead.

Where is the FRAUD Act available to read, by the way?

The New United States wrote:Hello, Libertatens. Back from the dead.

Where is the FRAUD Act available to read, by the way?

Ah welcome back.

The New United States wrote:Hello, Libertatens. Back from the dead.

Where is the FRAUD Act available to read, by the way?

Welcome back!!

Pev's factbook.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Well, let us all congratulate Pevvania on the first 100 days in office.

Thank you, Minerva, but technically this is my 126th day. I briefly lost the Delegacy when I went to re-found Grenada.

Lack There Of wrote:Firstly we need to establish that there were no "good guys" in the civil war. The north had been acting in a tyrannical manner for the decades preceding the war in an attempt to get as much out of international trade as possible, and we're all familiar with unsettling issues regarding the south's main industry.

The south was entirely within its rights to succeed as any state, or group of individuals, has the right to absolve ties with a group that no longer serves its interests. While militarization was prevalent on both sides in the months leading up to the conflict, the north bares the responsibility for the actual provocation starting armed conflict. After starting the war the north spent ungodly amounts of blood and money in vain attempts to recapture peoples who were not theirs to capture (oh the irony). It wasn't until the war was clearly going to the North that the abolitionist got their way and got around to the thirteenth amendment. This of course does not justify the barbaric savagery unleashed by union forces directly under the orders of Lincoln. Sherman's infamous march was one of the most horrific examples of war crimes committed by US troops, and on their "own" soil to their "own" people.

In addition to the brutal military actions, Lincoln did some serious crimes on the home front. Declaring martial law in Maryland in order to keep them from executing their rights as a sovereign peoples. Flooding Kentucky with northern soldiers to be a "friendly" influence. Relentlessly going after political dissenters, Copperheads, and reporters. His introducement of greenbacks haunts the american currency system to this day. The nationalization of certain railroads set a dangerous precedent for the war powers of the federal government. The granddaddy of them of all lincoln's atrocities was instituting the clearly unconstitutional income tax for the first time in American history.

I'm no southern sympathizer by any means, but the crimes of the North cannot go unexused simply because they ended slavery, which, arguably, was on its way out any way and an unsustainable economic system from the get-go.

These are some very eye-opening points. It's just a shame that whenever someone brings them up they're immediately dubbed a racist, and none of this is ever covered in curriculum.

Muh Roads wrote:Message from the the Libertatem Office of Internal Affairs

Due to a majority vote on the FRAUD act and an expected passing of such, nations of Libertatem will have to file an application for citizenship by reporting to the Manager of Internal Affairs.

IF the FRAUD act passes, you will find an application for citizenship on Muh Roads factbook. Instructions will be clearly stated on the factbook entry. You need to fill out this form and send it by way of Telegram to Muh Roads. The IA office is strongly recommending that the president update the world factbook to contain a link to this application.

ALL CURRENT REGIONAL GOVERNMENT MEMBERS MUST APPLY ASAP IF THE ACT PASSES. THIS WILL PREVENT YOU FROM LOSING OFFICE/BREAKING REGIONAL LAW.

A list of citizens will also be found on Muh Roads factbook, as this will be required by regional law.

Please allow 2 days from the date of application telegramed for a response from the Manager of Internal Affairs.

Thank you,

Muh Roads

Remember, citizenship is optional for non-officials. I will put the link to the factbook in the WFE when you've made it.

I take it that nations previously considered Citizens or previously holding office must reapply anyway?

The New United States wrote:Hello, Libertatens. Back from the dead.

Where is the FRAUD Act available to read, by the way?

Welcome back, mein freund.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I take it that nations previously considered Citizens or previously holding office must reapply anyway?

Yep.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I take it that nations previously considered Citizens or previously holding office must reapply anyway?

Yes indeed. Mostly for organizational purposes. My application will be going to Pev. I can't approve myself lol.

Pevvania wrote:Remember, citizenship is optional for non-officials. I will put the link to the factbook in the WFE when you've made it.

Yep! I didn't intend to make it sound any other way. Sorry.

Here's a question for y'all: why is it a natural law that the proprietor and the shareholders are those who have the moral right to exert ownership over the business, and not the workers? This is a question that I've never been able to fully answer.

Pevvania wrote:Here's a question for y'all: why is it a natural law that the proprietor and the shareholders are those who have the moral right to exert ownership over the business, and not the workers? This is a question that I've never been able to fully answer.

They provide the capital, with out them there would be no need for workers.

Lack There Of wrote:They provide the capital, with out them there would be no need for workers.

But what if a democratic business model could provide the capital?

Pevvania wrote:But what if a democratic business model could provide the capital?

It couldn't, unless the business is ditch digging or some other example of mindless physical labor. Technology and industry are products of individual minds. Industrial advancement is impossible in a collective environment

http://thelibertydoll.com/2014/01/05/multi-billion-dollar-video-company-runs-voluntaryist-model/

Check this out, Pev.

Thanks, y'all. It's good to be back. If there are any non-update operations that require support (can't make updates, due to schedule), I'd be glad to help.

I can't find the citizenship process.

Humpheria wrote:I can't find the citizenship process.

Muh Roads will post it sooner or later.

Muh Roads wrote:http://thelibertydoll.com/2014/01/05/multi-billion-dollar-video-company-runs-voluntaryist-model/

Check this out, Pev.

Will do. It seems you like a lot of the same Facebook pages that I do :P

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