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Jadentopia wrote:Don't forget Ron Paul.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

Hallo Island wrote:Actually, I think you don't. It was indeed used by the Confederate army, but it came to prevalence when used by the Dixiecrats to spearhead a movement to keep America racially segregated.

But wasn't the flag widely used by members of the Democrat party? Isn't therefore saying the flag is a symbol of racism and slavery the same as saying the Democrats are a symbol of racism and slavery? I don't think you'd find many people outside of the Black Panthers who'd argue that point. Flags are made for a reason. The red of the flag signifies hardiness and valour (racist?) the white signifies purity and innocence (racist?) the blue signifies vigilance, perseverance and justice (racist?) and the stars signify the number of seceded states (racist?). Nothing about the flag itself is racist (unless I missed something) how people use it can be racist but that doesn't make the flag itself racist. Case in point, here in England we have a small group of nazis called the English Defence League. Funnily enough, they use the St. George's Cross to represent them. So, when I wave the English flag, am I being racist? Do I support the expulsion of black and Asians from Britain? No. Because to me the flag means something very different than it does to them.

http://www.tomsmithcamp.com/tomsmithpics/news02.jpg

http://www.theroot.com/content/dam/theroot/articles/news/2015/07/black_supporters_of_the_confederate_flag_don_t_let_cowards_in_bedsheets/screen_shot_20150630_at_11.33.12_pm.png.CROP.rtstory-large.33.12_pm.png

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/oklahoma-city-obama-confederate-flag.jpg?quality=65&strip=color&w=1100

https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDdgKbdZueSDxoO&w=470&h=246&url=http%3A%2F%2Fd2rg8jfniu44sp.cloudfront.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2FAndrew_Duncomb_Oklahoma.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=8&sw=700&sh=366

https://exposingmodernmugwumps.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/black-confed.jpg

Stop right there black people. That's racist.

Rateria

...In defense of the opponents of the Stars and Bars, the Democrats were overwhelmingly racist. In fact, their moralistic pandering to special interest groups and zealous support of AA indicates they're still closet racists to this day.

Miencraft, The New United States

Condealism wrote:...In defense of the opponents of the Stars and Bars, the Democrats were overwhelmingly racist. In fact, their moralistic pandering to special interest groups and zealous support of AA indicates they're still closet racists to this day.

I would agree through and through. There's a closeted racist segment of the Democrat Party just as much as I was a closeted transgender person for all but the last week or two.

Rateria, Condealism

More to the point, though, the flag simply represents modern Southern heritage and pride. It's no more a message of hatred than the rainbow flag is; that doesn't stop some people from construing it differently.

Rateria

I'll just remind you that the democrats were basically the slavery party, and more recently, the segregation party...

George Wallace, democratic Governor of Alabama, personally stood in front of the engine of colleges to prevent black students from entering, and famously stated in his inauguration address;

"It is fitting that I stand where Jefferson Davis once stood... for the heel of the state cannot snap the neck of an upright man... segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"

Miencraft, The New United States, Condealism

Kings Island wrote:I'll just remind you that the democrats were basically the slavery party, and more recently, the segregation party...

George Wallace, democratic Governor of Alabama, personally stood in front of the engine of colleges to prevent black students from entering, and famously stated in his inauguration address;

"It is fitting that I stand where Jefferson Davis once stood... for the heel of the state cannot snap the neck of an upright man... segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"

But they aren't really today are they. I mean certain members still are extremely racist but that doesn't mean you can characterise the entire party this way the same way you can't characterise people who use the Confederate flag as racists just because historically these two entities mainly represented racism doesn't mean they do today.

Rateria

Ooh let's see if this brings humpy out. Ahem... The civil war was about slavery

The American Empire In Libertatem

Maybe humpy bear is sick or hanging out with bae.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:Maybe humpy bear is sick or hanging out with bae.

I know that he saw paper towns last night, what a softy

Pevvania wrote:Both Marx and Engels looked down upon Jews, Poles and Eastern Europeans as inferior races.

Nope, nope and nope.

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Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Nope, nope and nope.

Yeah because they were the ones with wealth

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Nope, nope and nope.

Can the Left send a better debating emissary, please?

Miencraft

The New United States wrote:Can the Left send a better debating emissary, please?

I am doing this of my own accord, no one elses.

Poptropia wrote:Abortion is murder. What I am saying is that Planned Parenthood uses abortion, which is wrong and is not science, for science to study the fetus, then they sell them, so people can harvest it.

Fetuses are not human beings. They lack sentience, personhood, and autonomy. They are under the jurisdiction of the pregnant person's body. You have no right to force someone to carry through a pregnancy.

Rateria

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Yeah because they were the ones with wealth

What?

Please elaborate.

Aelauo wrote:Fetuses are not human beings. They lack sentience, personhood, and autonomy. They are under the jurisdiction of the pregnant person's body. You have no right to force someone to carry through a pregnancy.

I think there IS a certain point where the Brain is fully formed, but that is in the last few months.

Rateria

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:I think there IS a certain point where the Brain is fully formed, but that is in the last few months.

Yes, and most abortions occur within the first trimester, when the fetus has barely begun developing physically, let alone mentally. Only in rare instances are abortions performed after the second trimester, and that is only admissible if the woman's personal health is at risk.

Miencraft, Kings Island, Pangaean Debating Emissary

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:What?

Please elaborate.

Well specifically speaking for all of history jews have been a minority group with wealth and poles had wealth as well

Rateria

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:What?

Please elaborate.

Well specifically speaking for all of history jews have been a minority group with wealth and poles had wealth as well

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Well specifically speaking for all of history jews have been a minority group with wealth and poles had wealth as well

All jews are wealthy?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:All jews are wealthy?

Not all but a good amount are which would cause marx and ingles to despise them because of kill the rich people part of communism

Rateria

http://www.marxmail.org/faq/antisemitism.htm

http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:All jews are wealthy?

Not all but a good amount are which would cause marx and ingles to despise them because of kill the rich people part of communism

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Not all but a good amount are which would cause marx and ingles to despise them because of kill the rich people part of communism

Aaaaaaaand no sources.....

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Aaaaaaaand no sources.....

Would you like me to

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You do know, that Marx was an ethnic jew, right?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Aaaaaaaand no sources.....

How about the jewish question by karl marx

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Would you like me to

I doubt whatever you pull up would already be debunked by the links I have shown you.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:How about the jewish question by karl marx

Yup that is adressed, go read.

http://www.marxmail.org/faq/antisemitism.htm

http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Yup that is adressed, go read.

You should

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/engels.html

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:You do know, that Marx was an ethnic jew, right?

And was ashamed of his upbringing as well

https://www.worldsocialism.org/canada/marx.and.antisemitism.1960.v27n214.htm

The growing nineteenth-century socialist movements often explicitly promoted anti-Semitism. Although himself a Jew, Karl Marx continued these anti-Jewish polemics. The historical association between Jews, private property, and commerce led to his infamous anti-Semitic diatribes. Marx, who sought to reconstruct society according to his master plan, detested the particularistic nature of Jewish religion and custom. Some of Marx's followers, such as Dühring and Lassalle, believed that if the public could be convinced to hate Jewish capitalists, the public would eventually come to hate non-Jewish capitalists as well.

Miencraft, Pevvania

Right-Winged Nation wrote:And was ashamed of his upbringing as well

Lol, Marx's family converted to christianity a year after he was born.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:You should

So do you refuse to read my link?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:So do you refuse to read my link?

Did you read mine

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Sorry, *links

And I did read your links, something to the effect of join the class struggle and don't identify as jews or else

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Lol, Marx's family converted to christianity a year after he was born.

His father had to convert to become a lawyer and he still had family members that were rabbis.

Rateria

Right-Winged Nation wrote:And I did read your links, something to the effect of join the class struggle and don't identify as jews or else

Sometimes being jewish is not only religious but also is nationalistic.

In the Marxist view of history, the struggle was about the empowering of the proletarians, and this in a Internationalist way.

In this interpretation, those peoples that are fighting for ethnic, nationalistic or any other kind of excluding identity.

Nations are not only built within a group, but also against the others.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:had family members that were rabbis.

Who?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Sometimes being jewish is not only religious but also is nationalistic.

In the Marxist view of history, the struggle was about the empowering of the proletarians, and this in a Internationalist way.

In this interpretation, those peoples that are fighting for ethnic, nationalistic or any other kind of excluding identity.

Nations are not only built within a group, but also against the others.

So since they identified as jews semitism is the answer?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Who?

His mother in particular, she held on to her faith until marx grew older

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Did you read mine

I think you only read one of them.

http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:I think you only read one of them.

http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html

Oh the one were they asserted that it was engles that wrote it and marx wasn't a anti-semi? Yeah read that one too. Did you read mine?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:His Uncle?

Who?

His mother uncles aunts grandparents

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Right-Winged Nation wrote:Oh the one were they asserted that it was engles that wrote it and marx wasn't a anti-semi? Yeah read that one too. Did you read mine?

Asserted!?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:I think you only read one of them.

http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html

Your source is a blog, nice try though

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Oh the one were they asserted that it was engles that wrote it and marx wasn't a anti-semi? Yeah read that one too. Did you read mine?

I was reading then I saw the mistranslated 'racial trash' and came back to you to make sure you read mine, and it seams you only read it to please me for the sake of the conversation, and soon after you read it you had an immediate cognitive dump of all read info.

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Asserted!?

Your source is a blog with people who don't agree on what is says

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Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:I was reading then I saw the mistranslated 'racial trash' and came back to you to make sure you read mine, and it seams you only read it to please me for the sake of the conversation, and soon after you read it you had an immediate cognitive dump of all read info.

It was a blog

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:All jews are wealthy?

No, my family is middle class.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:It was a blog

And that immediately de-values every single letter on the page?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Your source is a blog with people who don't agree on what is says

Elaborate.

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:And that immediately de-values every single letter on the page?

It's a blog...Blogs are for people to share their opinions, and thus, not credible.

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:And that immediately de-values every single letter on the page?

Yes because it is not a credible source, anyone could have written this and people commented with disapproval. Any brainwashed and bias source could have wrote this. I gave you credible sources

Poptropia wrote:It's a blog...Blogs are for people to share their opinions, and thus, not credible.

Do you mean the comments?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Yes because it is not a credible source, anyone could have written this and people commented with disapproval. Any brainwashed and bias source could have wrote this. I gave you credible sources

They are more credible because they do not allow criticism?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Nope, nope and nope.

I'm not a dogmatist, so I'll look into it. Libertarian intellectuals are not flawless either when it comes to racism - Murray Rothbard was fairly racist towards African-Americans (although he was voraciously anti-slavery, viewing it as morally reprehensible and believing that freedmen should have been given land and compensation by former slave owners), and both he and Hans-Herman Hoppe became advocates of borders later in their careers, despite being anarchists, for largely xenophobic reasons. Hoppe has never been a leader of the libertarian movement in the same way that Rothbard, Hayek, Mises and Friedman were, however.

Either way, respecting and believing in most of the ideas of an intellectual does not mean you totally agree with them or condone their personal behaviour.

Rateria, Pangaean Debating Emissary

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Do you mean the comments?

The whole thing, bud. Show me a site that is credible.

Poptropia wrote:The whole thing, bud. Show me a site that is credible.

So because it allows criticism means it is less credible.

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:So because it allows criticism means it is less credible.

I have a question for you: is Wikipedia a credible source?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:They are more credible because they do not allow criticism?

Because it gave an unbiased view point and look at it from a historical point. Yours was a nameless uncited source

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Poptropia wrote:I have a question for you: is Wikipedia a credible source?

Yes and no it has gotten better but is still iffy

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Yes and no it has gotten better but is still iffy

Emissary argues that since anyone can write on a blog it is credible...Anyone can write on Wikipedia.

Poptropia wrote:Emissary argues that since anyone can write on a blog it is credible...Anyone can write on Wikipedia.

Very true. One source was join the cause or else, and the other was a nameless blog, not too great. My sources are good though

So... does anyone have any idea why Chairman Hallo was RMB banned? Because I am confused.

Right-Winged Nation, Condealism

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Very true. One source was join the cause or else, and the other was a nameless blog, not too great. My sources are good though

I agree that your sources are, indeed, more credible, but Wikipedia and that nameless blog are not as credible, as other sources. So, I think, Emissary should find us a credible website, then we can go back to the debate at hand.

Right-Winged Nation

Libertarian pro-tip of the day: some regulations are justified by the NAP. For example, if a business misleads or lies in its advertising or product information, they can often be stealing from customers and thus violating their rights. A business that pollutes private property also must pay compensation, because property damage is a violation of the NAP. Even a limited amount of safety market regulation is justified, since a business selling a service that they market as safe, but ends up killing someone

But I use the term 'regulation' very loosely. Regulation in a free market would be done by private regulators - which actually exist today and cover thousands of different types of industry, like toasters, for example - and enforced by private judicial firms, and by extension bounty hunters and the like. Government regulation is obtrusive, violent, destructive, impoverishing, unnecessary and ultimately an active coercion against of consumers, businesses and workers.

Poptropia wrote:Emissary argues that since anyone can write on a blog it is credible...Anyone can write on Wikipedia.

Anyone could have made those pages Right-Wing_Nation linked.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Very true. One source was join the cause or else, and the other was a nameless blog, not too great. My sources are good though

No bias whatsoever here, nope, none at all....

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:No bias whatsoever here, nope, none at all....

You can't detect the bias because you believe what the blog says.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Your source is a blog with people who don't agree on what is says

Are you just attacking it on the grounds it is a blog, so you don't have to deal with it on an intellectual level?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Are you just attacking it on the grounds it is a blog, so you don't have to deal with it on an intellectual level?

No he is not...You are bringing a blog into this so you don't have to deal with it on an intellectual level.

Right-Winged Nation

Poptropia wrote:No he is not...You are bringing a blog into this so you don't have to deal with it on an intellectual level.

It being?

The Monkey Brigades Ii wrote:Were you? Cool. When did that happen? Is that what this is now? Reinvigoration?

It has been occurring over the past two years, particularly since late 2013.

The Monkey Brigades Ii wrote:Certainly, you've been a terrible pain for us. lol.... You've put up such of strong fight. You've made it so hard to take your regions & attack your allies. lol

Clearly we have, since your comrades have not been able to seize a single active region, nor have you touched the vast majority of our allies. You've made a noticeable but cosmetic dent, while we're slowly chewing up your empire.

The Monkey Brigades Ii wrote:How many more times would you like us to dismantle REATO? Or would you be more impressed with us refounding a bunch of regions that have held embassies with you that even you don't remember? We can do either, or both if you'd like.

Dismantling REATO is impossible. For every member that leaves, one will rejoin. Every violent attack you launch against a free region, another free region will join our cause to confront you, another nation will join. REATO managed to command over 35 endorsers in the recent Hyatt Islands defense, and the vast majority of them came from the IRU and Libertatem. All this while we ran operations elsewhere. Do you see what this means? Bullying members into leaving or graffiti-ing the WFEs of former members hasn't put a dent into our military strength. The more you push, the stronger we become. Yet when we took out International Socialists, one of four members of The Red Fleet, your leaders not only did not replenish the loss, you continued to decay. Since then, the number of regions in The Red Fleet has shrunk by a half, and you now need the KPA for support in operations. It is clear that the libertarian revolutionaries of REATO are growing stronger by the day, while the red tide of economic ignorance, slavery and oppression continues to weaken and stagnate.

The Monkey Brigades Ii wrote:You mean the more we raid & take regions that have embassies with you, and post on your RMB embarrasses us? lol, ok

No, I mean that the longer you continue blowing chunks on our RMB, the more evident it is to everyone else in the region that you're talking out of your ass.

The Monkey Brigades Ii wrote:Cool ignorant, meaningless meme.

But hey, you got something in common with nazis, ISIS, AL-Qaeda, & Benjamin Netanyahu, you think the Israeli govt & its actions represent all Jewish people everywhere. Not very "antistatist" of you.

http://act.jstreet.org/sign/not_for_me/

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Pro-Israel-Group-Says-Netanyahu-Does-Not-Represent-All-Jews-20150210-0023.html

The meme questions the motivations of left- and right-socialist hatred of Israel. Personally, I don't know enough about the Israel/Palestinian debate to give strong support to either side.

The Monkey Brigades Ii wrote:Now since you like pointless, meaningless juxtapositions. How about some real juxtaposition?

http://tinyurl.com/phwtvm5

http://tinyurl.com/p52jh6n

http://tinyurl.com/ns7by3o

http://tinyurl.com/o5u443r

http://tinyurl.com/pe3udrh

http://tinyurl.com/q2aabmg

http://tinyurl.com/pw7692g <--- A klan rally from 1966.

But the Confederate flag is totally cool, right? Its just about liberty & states (antistatist?) rights, right? Certainly nothing similar to fascism.

Redneck racist conservatives masquerading as libertarians. Plenty of idiots use the Gadsen Flag.

99% of libertarians oppose the Confederacy, because it was not libertarian in the slightest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvKjRB7wg5k

Individual rights trump states' rights in every single case.

Rateria, Condealism

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I decided to document the number of killings by police officers per million people to individual gun ownership in each US state and DC. The result indicates a positive correlation. In other words, states with higher gun ownership are more likely to have more police killings. But correlation does not prove causation. This scatter graph does not tell whether police brutality drives defensive gun purchases and thus higher ownership, or whether high gun ownership leads to more confrontations with the police.

http://i.imgur.com/bLzZm30.png

Right-Winged Nation

Quote of the day

"A free market is the only way to control corporations. As long as government has the power to regulate business, business will control government by funding the candidate that legislates in their favour." - Dr. Mary Ruwart

Right-Winged Nation, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I decided to document the number of killings by police officers per million people to individual gun ownership in each US state and DC. The result indicates a positive correlation. In other words, states with higher gun ownership are more likely to have more police killings. But correlation does not prove causation. This scatter graph does not tell whether police brutality drives defensive gun purchases and thus higher ownership, or whether high gun ownership leads to more confrontations with the police.

http://i.imgur.com/bLzZm30.png

What are the two outliers?

Tyrinth wrote:What are the two outliers?

Oklahoma and Wyoming.

Tyrinth

Tyrinth wrote:What are the two outliers?

Here's the data I used:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-ownership-by-state-2015-7?IR=T

Pevvania wrote:

Redneck racist conservatives masquerading as libertarians. Plenty of idiots use the Gadsen Flag.

Would that not be a no true scotsman?

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Would that not be a no true scotsman?

Not calling all conservatives racist at all. Racist conservatives are actually a very small minority. But it is a very stupid and very annoying minority.

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Pevvania wrote:Not calling all conservatives racist at all. Racist conservatives are actually a very small minority. But it is a very stupid and very annoying minority.

Think he meant that saying those are just conservatives masquerading as libertarians, not actual libertarians, was being No True Scotsman.

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:Anyone could have made those pages Right-Wing_Nation linked.

It told you who wrote it

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Humpheria wrote:So... does anyone have any idea why Chairman Hallo was RMB banned? Because I am confused.

He was? From our RMB? No idea.

Humpheria wrote:So... does anyone have any idea why Chairman Hallo was RMB banned? Because I am confused.

You mean today?

He did resort to name-calling and defamatory speech during the debate, but it seemed relatively mild to me...

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