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Humpheria wrote:In my opinion, I don't think Liberosia said anything about trying or charging anyone. You, Anhka, as a AG should have been able to figure that out. He said that the jurisdiction should apply due to the region's purpose. It has no legal precedence, thus it would not be legal. But, I agree with the premise.

TTA, no one is charging anyone with anything.

Humpheria wrote:In my opinion, I don't think Liberosia said anything about trying or charging anyone. You, Anhka, as a AG should have been able to figure that out. He said that the jurisdiction should apply due to the region's purpose. It has no legal precedence, thus it would not be legal. But, I agree with the premise.

TTA, no one is charging anyone with anything.

That's where this is going.

Don't think of the now. Think of the things leading up to the future.

Liberosia wrote:

Albenia wrote:That's where this is going.

Don't think of the now. Think of the things leading up to the future.

Look. If we are doing something illegal under Libertatem jurisdiction eventually some sort of trial is going to happen.

Rotgeheim wrote:I wholeheartedly agree. I don't quite understand all of this "Free Palestine" nonsense. Israel is being bombarded - yet again - and they're taking action. That's well within their rights to do so. I just wish they would invaded what little is left of Palestine and occupy it for good.

I really don't understand how anyone could be convinced that the Palestinians are the victims. Sure, maybe at some point they were. Yeah, it kinda was their land at the time Israel was created. They didn't have any legitimate claim on it, though. Sure, it was their holy land. But it's kinda also the holy land of Judaism and Christianity as well. They could have had a legitimate casus belli, but they don't just because of that. They're not the victims. Israel was never a very militant state; they even gave Sinai back to Egypt after they captured it. And Sinai has oil. Israel gave up an oil-rich piece of territory for peace. And now they're the aggressors? What?

Milteria wrote:When I first joined Nationstates the name came up under the world activity feed.

But I doubt I'm going to stay here. Ankhora wants me back and Baphometus says your sexist fascists, and that's not cool with me.

Again with the fascists. I can't tell you to do anything, but I recommend you form your own opinion. Both Anhka and Hallo have really bad blood with us (hence the creation of COIN) so they would probably say just about anything to trash us.

Liberosia wrote:I mean, not really fascist. Definately not sexist. Hump, are we sexist fascists?

"Not really fascist"?

Lack There Of wrote:If I understand correctly, and I may very well not, the purpose of COIN was to establish a casual region devoid of this type of nonsense. Members came from various regions to interact. The UCR has just as much a claim over it as we have. What exactly would holding our laws in that region accomplish? To the best of my knowledge no members of coin that hold dual citizenship have committed any acts of treason or otherwise illegal activity.

At this time, all that is trying to be discerned is our legal range of action.

Milteria wrote:"Not really fascist"?

There anti-commie but that's it.

Which I've been slowly trying to change and I've got a green light. I just need to get an appeal through.

Humpheria wrote:Again with the fascists. I can't tell you to do anything, but I recommend you form your own opinion. Both Anhka and Hallo have really bad blood with us (hence the creation of COIN) so they would probably say just about anything to trash us.

What do you mean again with? Do people call your region fascists often?

Liberosia wrote:Correct my premises if I am wrong. But this region seems to be in proximity to Libertatem, designed to influence the public policy. It either needs to be subjected to the regional government's laws or be suspected of unlawful revolution.

As explained to me by ankha when it was first created, the purpose of coin was to have more of just a private forum devoid of heavy regional politics. The current mess we see is the result of allowing disenfranchised minority nations a soap box to spew their opinions. Not naming any names, but he couldn't reply if he wanted to.

Milteria wrote:What do you mean again with? Do people call your region fascists often?

Yes.

Lack There Of wrote:If I understand correctly, and I may very well not, the purpose of COIN was to establish a casual region devoid of this type of nonsense. Members came from various regions to interact. The UCR has just as much a claim over it as we have. What exactly would holding our laws in that region accomplish? To the best of my knowledge no members of coin that hold dual citizenship have committed any acts of treason or otherwise illegal activity.

How many times do I have to say that I am not in favor of making any charges? No laws were broken, so that wouldn't be a very intelligent argument. And again, I agree with the premise, not the execution.

Albenia wrote:Yes.

That's kind of funny.

Milteria wrote:What do you mean again with? Do people call your region fascists often?

Basically, the way some people work, if you're anti-Communist, you must be a fascist.

At least, I think that's how it works.

Lack There Of wrote:As explained to me by ankha when it was first created, the purpose of coin was to have more of just a private forum devoid of heavy regional politics. The current mess we see is the result of allowing disenfranchised minority nations a soap box to spew their opinions. Not naming any names, but he couldn't reply if he wanted to.

Liberosia wrote:At this time, all that is trying to be discerned is our legal range of action.

Milteria wrote:That's kind of funny.

Yep...

Miencraft wrote:Basically, the way some people work, if you're anti-Communist, you must be a fascist.

At least, I think that's how it works.

Anarcho-Communism sounds kind of nice. Farfetched, impossible, and unattainable... but nice.

Milteria wrote:Anarcho-Communism sounds kind of nice. Farfetched, impossible, and unattainable... but nice.

That's why there are so many Communist sympathizers in general. It sounds nice. It's atrocious in practice, but it sounds nice.

Milteria wrote:Anarcho-Communism sounds kind of nice. Farfetched, impossible, and unattainable... but nice.

Same here.....

Milteria wrote:"Not really fascist"?

We're libertarian capitalistic freedom fighters at war with authoritarianism. Basically a group of conventional, average Joes.

Miencraft wrote:That's why there are so many Communist sympathizers in general. It sounds nice. It's atrocious in practice, but it sounds nice.

Yep....If we could put it into practice better though then maybe it'd work. Eh not something I care about.

Liberosia wrote:average Joes.

I am offended that you would equate us to people who are comparatively idiots.

[/joke]

Liberosia wrote:We're libertarian capitalistic freedom fighters at war with authoritarianism. Basically a group of conventional, average Joes.

There you have it folks, the essence of it all

Liberosia wrote:We're libertarian capitalistic freedom fighters at war with authoritarianism. Basically a group of conventional, average Joes.

Very odd that a group of libertarians would take an approach such as war to end an ideology. No hate intended, just have never met a single interventionist libertarian.

Miencraft wrote:That's why there are so many Communist sympathizers in general. It sounds nice. It's atrocious in practice, but it sounds nice.

I'll be real, it doesn't even sound nice

Milteria wrote:Very odd that a group of libertarians would take an approach such as war to end an ideology. No hate intended, just have never met a single interventionist libertarian.

...

*whispers under breath* finally someone who gets it.

These aren't libertarians. They are guys who love libertarianism so much they MUST enforce it across Nationstates

Lack There Of wrote:I'll be real, it doesn't even sound nice

Well, you're Lack.

To you, anything that involves government doesn't sound nice.

COIN=Free

COIN=/=Yours

Not your business. Just stop!

Albenia wrote:...

*whispers under breath* finally someone who gets it.

These aren't libertarians. They are guys who love libertarianism so much they MUST enforce it across Nationstates

WOLOLO

Lack There Of wrote:I'll be real, it doesn't even sound nice

A stateless classless society where everyone co-operates for the greater good doesn't sound nice? Don't get me wrong, I'm an ancap through and through. But the biggest reason behind that is because in the absence of government, capitallsm is the natural result.

Milteria wrote:Very odd that a group of libertarians would take an approach such as war to end an ideology. No hate intended, just have never met a single interventionist libertarian.

I have a feeling that this isn't your first encounter with Libertatem.

Lack There Of wrote:I'll be real, it doesn't even sound nice

Yes

Milteria wrote:Very odd that a group of libertarians would take an approach such as war to end an ideology. No hate intended, just have never met a single interventionist libertarian.

I recommend you read some of this historical and philosophical papers in our factbooks

Milteria wrote:A stateless classless society where everyone co-operates for the greater good doesn't sound nice? Don't get me wrong, I'm an ancap through and through. But the biggest reason behind that is because in the absence of government, capitallsm is the natural result.

An ancap who supports communism. Who'd a thunk it?

Milteria wrote:A stateless classless society where everyone co-operates for the greater good doesn't sound nice? Don't get me wrong, I'm an ancap through and through. But the biggest reason behind that is because in the absence of government, capitallsm is the natural result.

I'm an egoist. Lack?

Miencraft wrote:Well, you're Lack.

To you, anything that involves government doesn't sound nice.

Well, you're Miencraft and you're good at pointing things out. But it's really diffrent than that. Anarcho-communism is just a filthy concept that stone walls a society's progress and stifles the individuals ability to produce.

Albenia wrote:...

*whispers under breath* finally someone who gets it.

These aren't libertarians. They are guys who love libertarianism so much they MUST enforce it across Nationstates

I'm not even a libertarian or conservative. I'm just here.

Milteria wrote:Very odd that a group of libertarians would take an approach such as war to end an ideology. No hate intended, just have never met a single interventionist libertarian.

The vast majority of libertarians here are Objectivists, who have a different mindset regarding war. The rest are called "Neolibertarians." See below:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Neo-Libertarian

Humpheria wrote:I have a feeling that this isn't your first encounter with Libertatem.

Well seeing as I see your regions name nearly everyday posted on COIN regional message board. I know very little about Libertatem, again, I'm not trying to say anything bad here. I'm making a statement.

And I'm the friendly economically confused centrist Radical Libertarian.

Humpheria wrote:I have a feeling that this isn't your first encounter with Libertatem.

I say this because that argument, almost word-for-word, has been used to cliche status.

And of course there are interventionist Neocons and liberals in this region as well.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Neo-Libertarian

So this is real. The last thing I ever expected to see on urban dictionary

Humpheria wrote:An ancap who supports communism. Who'd a thunk it?
I said I like the idea of a stateless classless society. Not that I was waving red flags and finding physical pleasure while reading a book by Marx. Chill would you?

Milteria wrote:I said I like the idea of a stateless classless society. Not that I was waving red flags and finding physical pleasure while reading a book by Marx. Chill would you?

Hahahahaha you're cool

Physical Pleasure....from a book..hmmmm

Humpheria wrote:I say this because that argument, almost word-for-word, has been used to cliche status.

It's not as if it's a not a reasonable statement. It wasn't an argument either, I said I found it odd.

Milteria wrote:I said I like the idea of a stateless classless society. Not that I was waving red flags and finding physical pleasure while reading a book by Marx. Chill would you?

Kinda defensive. Huh. I am drinking a lovely glass of ice water in a walk-in freezer. "Chilling" anymore would be dangerous to my health. Though some here would like that.

Liberosia wrote:I'm an egoist. Lack?

Was that a question, or poorly placed punctuation?

Tried reading the communist manifesto. Couldn't understand anything. It's like trying to decipher morse code.

Humpheria wrote:Kinda defensive. Huh. I am drinking a lovely glass of ice water in a walk-in freezer. "Chilling" anymore would be dangerous to my health. Though some here would like that.

Who would that be?

*Innocent smile*

Humpheria wrote:Kinda defensive. Huh. I am drinking a lovely glass of ice water in a walk-in freezer. "Chilling" anymore would be dangerous to my health. Though some here would like that.

I didn't expect to so ill received.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Tried reading the communist manifesto. Couldn't understand anything. It's like trying to decipher morse code.

I'll try reading it.

Hump, what exactly is your flag symbolic of?

Lack There Of wrote:Well, you're Miencraft and you're good at pointing things out. But it's really diffrent than that. Anarcho-communism is just a filthy concept that stone walls a society's progress and stifles the individuals ability to produce.

I was actually making a point about Communism as a whole.

I can agree that Anarcho-Communism just doesn't even.

Liberosia wrote:Hahahahaha you're cool

Heh, thanks. :P

Lack There Of wrote:Was that a question, or poorly placed punctuation?

Question

Milteria wrote:I didn't expect to so ill received.

No, it's nothing against you. Just pointing out that literally every "anti-establishment" 'Tatemite has said those words a thousand times. I thought it was a strange coincidence.

Post self-deleted by Albenia.

Liberosia wrote:Question

Forgive my inability to even cognitive thought right now, but if you wouldn't mind expanding on what exactly you're asking, that would be appreciated.

Lack There Of wrote:Hump, what exactly is your flag symbolic of?

Hyperbolic political hypocrisy.

I read the firat paragraph of the Communist Manifesto......what am I getting myself into.

Humpheria wrote:Hyperbolic political hypocrisy.

Lack There Of wrote:Forgive my inability to even cognitive thought right now, but if you wouldn't mind expanding on what exactly you're saying, that would be appreciated.

Albenia wrote:I read the firat paragraph of the Communist Manifesto......what am I getting myself into.

A fresh role of toilet tissue

Albenia wrote:I read the firat paragraph of the Communist Manifesto......what am I getting myself into.

Being unable to spell "First", obviously.

Lack There Of wrote:Forgive my inability to even cognitive thought right now, but if you wouldn't mind expanding on what exactly you're asking, that would be appreciated.

Are you an egoist

Humpheria wrote:No, it's nothing against you. Just pointing out that literally every "anti-establishment" 'Tatemite has said those words a thousand times. I thought it was a strange coincidence.

Ah I see. Rationally, I feel I am correct about my statement. However, political views are extremely complex. Labeling them helps other people to see your general direction, but a label is not completely definitive. So I don't doubt the existence of an anti-Communist Libertarian. It's not impossible.

Miencraft wrote:Being unable to spell "First", obviously.

It's like I'm reading a rant hating on a movie or something.

Well, work in five hours, I should probably sleep.

Humpheria wrote:Well, work in five hours, I should probably sleep.

Cat nap? Haha.

Who wants to fite meh?

Ancient Icelandic Law: What is the assembly of jurists in ancient Iceland called?

Liberosia wrote:Are you an egoist

Looks back at original post, has a deep inward soul searching moment , realizes it's time to call it a night for lack of understanding things that should be exceptionally clear.

And to answer your question, only in my natural form.

It's like 1 AM back home.

Why am I still up.

And I'm just gonna have the laptop open in bed anyways.

Goddamnit.

Humpheria wrote:Well, work in five hours, I should probably sleep.

Yeah, i get that

What's been happening to this region's population? 0.o

I mean... ouch

Pax Osca wrote:What's been happening to this region's population? 0.o

I mean... ouch

Indeed, several other regions have taken hits to their populations. Many even more severe than ours. But in real terms the population reduction has not mattered much, since it's mostly been a cleansing of inactives and puppets.

I think the most compelling case for a central bank is that the economy would be at the mercy of foreign creditors and other government banks if it was abolished. After Andrew Jackson killed the National Bank, two things happened: a) state-chartered banks all over-inflated the currency, and b) the Bank of England, which the US depended on for much of its Western expansion, raised interest rates, which forced state banks to do the same. This triggered a depression that lasted for several years because the US could not control its monetary policy.

I swear the only reason this current WA resolution has so few votes against is because it's a resolution about banning Child Pornography.

Miencraft wrote:I swear the only reason this current WA resolution has so few votes against is because it's a resolution about banning Child Pornography.

Well duh...I personally will not vote on ot.

I left the WA, personally I though it was unproductive.

Why is Nickelback on the radio.

Godisdead wrote:Why is Nickelback on the radio.

Good question

May I recommend the Beegees for the radio?

Liberosia wrote:May I recommend the Beegees for the radio?

Well, I was thinking about passing legislation on the radio that would allow people to control the radio.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Well, I was thinking about passing legislation on the radio that would allow people to control the radio.

Nooooo

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Why not?

I don't want the radio nationalized

Liberosia wrote:I don't want the radio nationalized

Well, it would be the people choosing though.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Well, it would be the people choosing though.

Everybody would pick a different song and it'd just get really messy.

I mean, it's just a link. It's arbitrary at best. Don't like what's on, don't click. Easy.

Miencraft wrote:Everybody would pick a different song and it'd just get really messy.

I mean, it's just a link. It's arbitrary at best. Don't like what's on, don't click. Easy.

Will see, it's just an idea I am pondering.

Let's throw some Coldplay on the radio

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Let's throw some Coldplay on the radio

Yus.

Also, boop: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=304475

Miencraft wrote:Yus.

Suggested tracks:

Yellow

Trouble

Shiver

The Scientist

In My Place

Clocks

Politik(which seems most appropriate for this game)

Amsterdam

Fix You

Talk

Viva La Vida

Violet Hill

Paradise

Charlie Brown

A Sky Full Of Stars

O

Always In My Head

Any of those will suffice

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Suggested tracks:

Yellow

Trouble

Shiver

The Scientist

In My Place

Clocks

Politik(which seems most appropriate for this game)

Amsterdam

Fix You

Talk

Viva La Vida

Violet Hill

Paradise

Charlie Brown

A Sky Full Of Stars

O

Always In My Head

Any of those will suffice

I hate to be that asshole, but coldplay really, really sucks.

Let's put some Rock on the radio.

Preferably:

Korpiklaani:

-Vodka

Metallica:

-Seek and Destroy

Godisdead wrote:I hate to be that asshole, but coldplay really, really sucks.

Yep.

Godisdead wrote:I hate to be that asshole, but coldplay really, really sucks.

It's ok we are used to it. Jk

Someone on the forums is trying to defend Pol Pot.

I'm going to just go throw this computer out a window now.

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