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Parvimperia wrote:Any widely held Libertarian positions any of you guys aren't sure about or don't agree with?

Abortion

The family

Immigration

National-defense

The United States Of Patriots

Anybody watch the LP debates?

Patvarus Ii wrote:Abortion.

If it can be argued that fetuses and/or embryos are living, it would certainly be a Libertarian position to protect them.

One ridiculous statement I've heard is believing in life in the womb but supporting the allowance of abortion. "It's murder but I don't care" is like saying that one's neighbor could be robbed, but as long as it isn't the home of the apathetic individual.

Parvimperia

The New United States wrote:And to those arguing that non-traditional parenting is no worse than traditional parenting: A) It requires a complete rejection of simple, biological reality and of the evolutionary-role of male and female to make such an argument, and B) the jury is still out.

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/pdf/IB4393.pdf

The Heritage Foundation? Really? If you agree with their policy positions that's fine, but they are not a scientific organization.

"Judith Stacey, of New York University, stated: "Rarely is there as much consensus in any area of social science as in the case of gay parenting, which is why the American Academy of Pediatrics and all of the major professional organizations with expertise in child welfare have issued reports and resolutions in support of gay and lesbian parental rights".[42]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting#Consensus

As for the rest of that post, I'll just say 'traditional morality' and the 'traditional family' have changed countless times; if it didn't, it would still be legal for people to have 47 wives. Talk of how we don't know what we're dealing with when changing norms is fear-mongering, when society and its norms are constantly evolving.

Teuberland wrote:If it can be argued that fetuses and/or embryos are living, it would certainly be a Libertarian position to protect them.

One ridiculous statement I've heard is believing in life in the womb but supporting the allowance of abortion. "It's murder but I don't care" is like saying that one's neighbor could be robbed, but as long as it isn't the home of the apathetic individual.

Of course, that position assumes fetuses and embryos can be considered 'life', which is highly debatable to say the least. Though, if you do believe fetuses and embryos are living, it does seem a bit odd to still be okay with abortion, and on the surface it seems like a case of individualistic libertarianism taken to the extreme.

Teuberland wrote:If it can be argued that fetuses and/or embryos are living, it would certainly be a Libertarian position to protect them.

One ridiculous statement I've heard is believing in life in the womb but supporting the allowance of abortion. "It's murder but I don't care" is like saying that one's neighbor could be robbed, but as long as it isn't the home of the apathetic individual.

Well, I guess my stance on abortion is kinda similar. I find abortion immoral, but if I had a power to ban it, I wouldn't do it. IMO it should be a decision of community and probably in libertarian society there will be conservative towns, where abortion is equal to murder and homosexuals are heavily ostracized, and places with liberal law, where fetuses are being removed on a regular basis. If pro-lifers want people to let children be born, they should work from the bottom up, convince and persuade. But banning abortion without widespread support all over the society won't help, it will just make it a little bit more dangerous and expensive. BTW, bombing abortion clinics won't help either.

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia

Las-Vegas wrote:*Trying to figure out why all the previous regions you were in were anarcho-communists and you are now in a conservative-ish region*

because im a anarcho-capitalist/right wing libertarian now and this region seem to understand the importance of the free-market

Hello!

I'm an prime ministerial candidate in the Central Pacific Empire, If I am elected to serve as lease of the region, I will seek to draft and reinstate the Inter Regional Defence Treaty, essentially an agreement between all signatories (Hopefully the CPE, FFS, CoC and UEI) which mandated each region to use its military wing to assist any region in that agreement who is attacked or raided. The idea of this is to ensure stable long term security for all signatories.

I have already approached your President about this, however I'd like gather some more opinions, suggestions and comments.

-- Conta

Sorry, autocorrect. *I'm A prime ministerial candidate in the CPE. If I am elected to serve as *Leader of the region and *in which each region is mandated

Teuberland wrote:If it can be argued that fetuses and/or embryos are living, it would certainly be a Libertarian position to protect them.

One ridiculous statement I've heard is believing in life in the womb but supporting the allowance of abortion. "It's murder but I don't care" is like saying that one's neighbor could be robbed, but as long as it isn't the home of the apathetic individual.

Even if they aren't, they will become living things, and by stopping them from becoming alive you are killing them.

The United States Of Patriots

I believe fetuses to be alive and I would ban it and anyone involved in an abortion would be tried with murder. Is it too much to give the baby a chance at life? It doesn't make sense to end someone's life because it interferes with your own.

Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:I believe fetuses to be alive and I would ban it and anyone involved in an abortion would be tried with murder. Is it too much to give the baby a chance at life? It doesn't make sense to end someone's life because it interferes with your own.

I agree mostly, but at the same time, I think minors who are raped should be able to get an abortion, or anyone who is raped for that matter. However, if you voluntarily have sex and end up pregnant, it's no one's fault but your one.

Las-Vegas wrote:I agree mostly, but at the same time, I think minors who are raped should be able to get an abortion, or anyone who is raped for that matter. However, if you voluntarily have sex and end up pregnant, it's no one's fault but your one.

Essentially, my view is the same, but only on morality level. If the pregnancy had come from a voluntary act, even if you didn't intend it, it's immoral to have an abortion. On the other hand, that's only with morality, I don't believe to have any right to ban abortion and control an individual and what they with their body.

Las-Vegas

I love how Marxists don't even recognize how communism(Marxism) has failed and don't see how it's their formula that makes it fail each. The fact that Marxism requires a dictatorship of the proletariat shows completely how it fails each time. One can't expand a government's size and then expect it to use force to relinquish its power. Plus, this idea automatically gives some sort thinking of legitimacy to having a dictatorship alongside Marx's creed.

Lenin, Mao, Castro, they all believed their dictatorships as legitimate because of this flawed step in Marx's plan for utopia. Unfortunately, very few believe in skipping this step and just creating Marx's utopia that is as he described, while most believe in having a so-called local council that is totally not a state. This is what plagues our world and we must find a way to have more people move away from this oppressive way of thinking, that they don't even realize they are preaching.

Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas

The Aradites wrote:Essentially, my view is the same, but only on morality level. If the pregnancy had come from a voluntary act, even if you didn't intend it, it's immoral to have an abortion. On the other hand, that's only with morality, I don't believe to have any right to ban abortion and control an individual and what they with their body.

You see, it's their body, but it's the baby's life.

Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots

After the LP debates, I think the possible nominees are either Johnson or McAfee. Johnson has the political experience while McAfee has the life experience and can actually use technology, unlike literally 99% of the entire political body. I hope in the televised debate, the candidates will have better explained platforms (except Johnson since for some reason he's not going).

I think all abortion should be outlawed. It doesn't matter how the baby came about, he or she still has the right to life and that cannot be denied.

Parvimperia, Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:I think all abortion should be outlawed. It doesn't matter how the baby came about, he or she still has the right to life and that cannot be denied.

What if a ten year old is brutally raped and then gets pregnant?

The Aradites wrote:After the LP debates, I think the possible nominees are either Johnson or McAfee. Johnson has the political experience while McAfee has the life experience and can actually use technology, unlike literally 99% of the entire political body. I hope in the televised debate, the candidates will have better explained platforms (except Johnson since for some reason he's not going).

link

Patvarus Ii wrote:I think all abortion should be outlawed. It doesn't matter how the baby came about, he or she still has the right to life and that cannot be denied.

Hold on that's too much black and white to have a good you need to have some grey.

Whereas i think abortion is something bad, i also think there should be some "hard" cases those being:

-Rape

-Diseases, that will kill the child ( mortality rate over 25%)

Las-Vegas

Republic Of Minerva wrote:link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdv148-FUwbcjY-YNgRUZOw/videos

It's split into 3 parts due to the streaming issues and the 1st has too much lighting but they fix it later on.

Republic Of Minerva

Las-Vegas wrote:What if a ten year old is brutally raped and then gets pregnant?

The child still deserves a chance at life. The child can be put up for adoption, but killing it because it inconveniences you is not okay.

Reformed Venice wrote:Hold on that's too much black and white to have a good you need to have some grey.

Whereas i think abortion is something bad, i also think there should be some "hard" cases those being:

-Rape

-Diseases, that will kill the child ( mortality rate over 25%)

There are many children born via rape that are just as good as the rest of us. Also, if the baby is likely to die of disease, why not give it a chance instead of just killing it. It's like saying "I'll probably fail my math test so I won't take it."

Parvimperia

Patvarus Ii wrote:The child still deserves a chance at life. The child can be put up for adoption, but killing it because it inconveniences you is not okay.

What if the mother has a high chance of dying?

Parvimperia

Las-Vegas wrote:What if the mother has a high chance of dying?

You still can't kill a baby. If you could die from pregnancy, you'd know, and you'd make sure you could not get pregnant using birth control pills, hormonal stuff, etc.

United Nations Of The Far Weast wrote:Hi I am new here

Greetings! Welcome to Libertatem, United Nations of the far Weast! You'll have to excuse this little abortion debate going on; our region can be quite political at times.

Patvarus Ii wrote:You still can't kill a baby. If you could die from pregnancy, you'd know, and you'd make sure you could not get pregnant using birth control pills, hormonal stuff, etc.

Um no, if it's a serious risk to your health and you probably won't survive childbirth, should it still be illegal? (Keep in mind if the mother dies, the baby often does too)

Las-Vegas wrote:Um no, if it's a serious risk to your health and you probably won't survive childbirth, should it still be illegal? (Keep in mind if the mother dies, the baby often does too)

Abortion = murder and murder is illegal so all abortion should be illegal.

Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:Abortion = murder and murder is illegal so all abortion should be illegal.

Like someone else said, that's pretty black and white. IRL things are usually a but more grey than that, with multiple shades of grey, in fact. Possibly up to fifty (sorry couldn't help myself).

I disagree, but we won't change each others' minds. Although at the same time I'm not so sure where I stand.

Las-Vegas wrote:Like someone else said, that's pretty black and white. IRL things are usually a but more grey than that, with multiple shades of grey, in fact. Possibly up to fifty (sorry couldn't help myself).

I disagree, but we won't change each others' minds. Although at the same time I'm not so sure where I stand.

Hello everyone. I notice that this region does not have WA delegate. I would like to be one. Please endorse me. Thank you.

Anddd wrote:Hello everyone. I notice that this region does not have WA delegate. I would like to be one. Please endorse me. Thank you.

What must I do to be a WA delegate in here?

Anddd wrote:Hello everyone. I notice that this region does not have WA delegate. I would like to be one. Please endorse me. Thank you.

Ummmmmmmmm, how about no.

Parvimperia

Las-Vegas wrote:Ummmmmmmmm, how about no.

bye.

Anddd wrote:bye.

Bye! Have fun annoying other regions asking to be a delegate!

Rateria, Parvimperia

Las-Vegas wrote:Like someone else said, that's pretty black and white. IRL things are usually a but more grey than that, with multiple shades of grey, in fact. Possibly up to fifty (sorry couldn't help myself).

I disagree, but we won't change each others' minds. Although at the same time I'm not so sure where I stand.

Well I think it all comes down to is it ever okay to purposely kill an innocent life

Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:Abortion = murder and murder is illegal so all abortion should be illegal.

It's not that simple

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Las-Vegas

Murder is a legal term, if the state doesn't see fetuses as human than how can it be murder?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Murder is a legal term, if the state doesn't see fetuses as human than how can it be murder?

The state should see them as humans.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Murder is a legal term, if the state doesn't see fetuses as human than how can it be murder?

Patvarus Ii wrote:The state should see them as humans.

Even if they aren't considered alive, they will become alive, so keeping that from happening is essentially murder anyways.

I have puppets in a crapton of regions and I swear this anddd guy has been to every single region in the game. I'm seeing him everywhere.

Rateria, Las-Vegas

While libertarianism lags behind in England, the Scottish Libertarian Party (SLP) is actually getting a fair bit of attention. I wonder how they will fair in the future.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/pro-indy-scottish-libertarian-party-names-first-holyrood-election-candidates.14118

Patvarus Ii wrote:I have puppets in a crapton of regions and I swear this anddd guy has been to every single region in the game. I'm seeing him everywhere.

Ikr me too

Rateria

Las-Vegas wrote:Ikr me too

But I literally swear he's following me. He's been to like 25 regions and 2 or 3 of them were really small and specific regions I had puppets in.

Rateria, Las-Vegas

1st most pro-market region in the world.

Congrats, guys

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas, Ancapville

Libertatem is the least corrupt region in the world!

San Andrias, Rateria, Parvimperia, Las-Vegas

Republic Of Minerva wrote:1st most pro-market region in the world.

Congrats, guys

The New United States wrote:Libertatem is the least corrupt region in the world!

I think the system right now is a little glitched, considering it's ranking us out of only 2 other regions.

The New United States, Rateria, Parvimperia

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Murder is a legal term, if the state doesn't see fetuses as human than how can it be murder?

Murder is defined legally but the actual word is separate. As in there is a Legal definition of murder and there is a linguistic definition. So it could fit under one and not the other. But I understand the point you were making

The Aradites wrote:I think the system right now is a little glitched, considering it's ranking us out of only 2 other regions.

Now that you mention it, it doesn't seem very likely that we'd be top three in every category.

Well there goes our trophies...

Jeez, and I thought NS++ was broken enough before this update.

Darn Firefox, making NS++ broken. Worked fine on Chrome...

San Andrias

The Aradites wrote:I think the system right now is a little glitched, considering it's ranking us out of only 2 other regions.

Shhhhhhhh we are the best and you know it.

The New United States, Rateria, Teuberland, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:Brie Larson is a slut.

Hey chill out there, Room was a good movie and J-Law still has her beauty and her Oscars :)

I just had a thorough discussion of libertarianism with my history teacher. He's an Obama voter but I think he actually learned something from the discussion.

San Andrias, Rateria, Parvimperia, Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:I just had a thorough discussion of libertarianism with my history teacher. He's an Obama voter but I think he actually learned something from the discussion.

You know it's sad when you have to teach your history teacher...

Miencraft, San Andrias, Rateria

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:Brie Larson is a slut.

Well, that came out of nowhere.

*looks at nation name* Oh, right.

Post self-deleted by Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia.

Las-Vegas wrote:You know it's sad when you have to teach your history teacher...

Nobody teaching anyone anything here. A discussion is an exchange of thoughts. I'm libertarian myself but I'm not so sniffy to think I'm "teaching" others when arguing with them.

Parvimperia

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Nobody teaching anyone anything here. A discussion is an exchange of thoughts. I'm libertarian myself but I'm not so sniffy to think I'm "teaching" others when arguing with them.

Did you read what I quoted? It said "I just had a thorough discussion of libertarianism with my history teacher. He's an Obama voter but I think he actually learned something from the discussion."

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia

Besides, if you never learn anything from any discussions, what's the point of having them?

Miencraft, Quarantinia, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Parvimperia

Is the nation in REATO about to CTE on purpose?

San Andrias, Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:Is the nation in REATO about to CTE on purpose?

Uh-oh

Patvarus Ii wrote:Is the nation in REATO about to CTE on purpose?

Actually, it either has automatic login or is on vacation mode. If vacation mode, it still has nine days to go.

Las-Vegas wrote:Besides, if you never learn anything from any discussions, what's the point of having them?

Fair enough.

Teuberland, Las-Vegas

Bottom 99% of the world and bottom 93% of Libertatem in the compliance category!

Off the cops,

Fire to the prisons,

a-n-a-r-c-h-ism

Teuberland, Las-Vegas

Las-Vegas wrote:Shhhhhhhh we are the best and you know it.

'Taaateeemmm!!!

Rateria, Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:Is the nation in REATO about to CTE on purpose?

I don't control the region anymore..

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I don't control the region anymore..

Do you know the password?

I just had someone in my issues named Falala Singh. Can't tell if that's intentional or not...

New Jaslandia

We can't let TRF refound REATO. I'd be happy to control it if that's needed.

Las-Vegas

Patvarus Ii wrote:We can't let TRF refound REATO. I'd be happy to control it if that's needed.

Ummm, isn't the CL not part of REATO?

Las-Vegas wrote:Ummm, isn't the CL not part of REATO?

We pulled out about a month ago.

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:We pulled out about a month ago.

Why?

Las-Vegas wrote:Why?

We had a vote, and that was that.

Las-Vegas

Pev you better not be behind the UK tory students initiative to build a giant iron statue of Thatcher :p

The New United States, San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Las-Vegas

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Pev you better not be behind the UK tory students initiative to build a giant iron statue of Thatcher :p

Ah, I have heard of this thatchue (not my own joke, sadly).

Rateria, Las-Vegas

Las-Vegas wrote:Ummm, isn't the CL not part of REATO?

I can control the region independently. All I'd do would be to log in every once in a while to prevent the region from CTEing.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Pev you better not be behind the UK tory students initiative to build a giant iron statue of Thatcher :p

I suppose now that UK Tories want a massive statue of Thatcher, it's only a matter of time before American Republicans want a giant golden statue of Reagan. I imagine Cruz and Rubio will be talking all about it tomorrow morning. Well, assuming they're still in the race by then, and haven't dropped out due to being crushed by Trump.

Patvarus Ii wrote:I can control the region independently. All I'd do would be to log in every once in a while to prevent the region from CTEing.

No offence intended by this at all, but I believe the region should be controlled by someone from a region that's a member of REATO. However, if that were for some reason impossible, it should be with one of our closest allies, like the CL. But I'm sure there's someone from 'tatem who can do it.

New Jaslandia wrote:I suppose now that UK Tories want a massive statue of Thatcher, it's only a matter of time before American Republicans want a giant golden statue of Reagan. I imagine Cruz and Rubio will be talking all about it tomorrow morning. Well, assuming they're still in the race by then, and haven't dropped out due to being crushed by Trump.

What's happening with the thatchue? I haven't heard about it until now. And yes, we should totally get a huge, golden Reagan statue... hmm, maybe in front of the White House? Or the Capitol building? Or at the U.S. embassy in Moscow? Or put his face on Mt. Rushmore... or we could just put him on the $500 bill, which would exist solely to have money with Reagan on it.

Rateria

Las-Vegas wrote:What's happening with the thatchue? I haven't heard about it until now. And yes, we should totally get a huge, golden Reagan statue... hmm, maybe in front of the White House? Or the Capitol building? Or at the U.S. embassy in Moscow? Or put his face on Mt. Rushmore... or we could just put him on the $500 bill, which would exist solely to have money with Reagan on it.

We've actually had several versions of the $500 bills before, with the most recent having the face of William McKinley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_denominations_of_United_States_currency#High_denomination_United_States_banknotes

However, more to your point, a Reagan statute in front of the US Embassy would be... interesting, to say the least. Though, I imagine Putin would reciprocate by putting a giant statue of himself in front of the Russian embassy in Moscow.

Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Las-Vegas

New Jaslandia wrote:We've actually had several versions of the $500 bills before, with the most recent having the face of William McKinley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_denominations_of_United_States_currency#High_denomination_United_States_banknotes

However, more to your point, a Reagan statute in front of the US Embassy would be... interesting, to say the least. Though, I imagine Putin would reciprocate by putting a giant statue of himself in front of the Russian embassy in Moscow.

In his statue, do you think he would be depicted shirtless while riding on a horse?

Rateria

Las-Vegas wrote:In his statue, do you think he would be depicted shirtless while riding on a horse?

Of course not! It won't be a horse; it'll be a bear!

Rateria, Las-Vegas

New Jaslandia wrote:I suppose now that UK Tories want a massive statue of Thatcher, it's only a matter of time before American Republicans want a giant golden statue of Reagan. I imagine Cruz and Rubio will be talking all about it tomorrow morning. Well, assuming they're still in the race by then, and haven't dropped out due to being crushed by Trump.

There's no reason for either Cruz or Rubio to drop out, despite Trump's wins. It's entirely possible, perhaps probable, that Trump won't win a majority of delegates - in which case, he probably would not be chosen as the nominee.

San Andrias, New Jaslandia

New Jaslandia wrote:Of course not! It won't be a horse; it'll be a bear!

It should be an eagle.

Ransomed Individuals wrote:There's no reason for either Cruz or Rubio to drop out, despite Trump's wins. It's entirely possible, perhaps probable, that Trump won't win a majority of delegates - in which case, he probably would not be chosen as the nominee.

If Rubio and Cruz can prevent Trump from getting a majority, then yes, I think there will be a brokered convention and Rubio will be nominated. Of course, something like hasn't happened in years, and to many, it would seem so undemocratic that it could doom the entire party. Of course, the alternative is to let a massively unpopular candidate like Trump to get the nomination. It's a lose-lose situation for the Republicans.

The Aradites wrote:It should be an eagle.

Interesting idea. Definitely would be a big middle finger to the US.

The New United States, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, Teuberland

New Jaslandia wrote:Interesting idea. Definitely would be a big middle finger to the US.

We should have Reagan riding a nuke, flipping off the USSR.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Teuberland

Las-Vegas wrote:We should have Reagan riding a nuke, flipping off the USSR.

Be kinda ironic, since Reagan was responsible for a couple of nuclear disarmament treaties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/START_I (yes, I know Bush I signed it, but Reagan proposed the idea and got the ball rolling).

The New United States, Rateria

New Jaslandia wrote:Be kinda ironic, since Reagan was responsible for a couple of nuclear disarmament treaties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/START_I (yes, I know Bush I signed it, but Reagan proposed the idea and got the ball rolling).

It's the image of Reagan on a nuke with his middle finger high up in the air that matters :D

New Jaslandia, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, Parvimperia

Las-Vegas wrote:It's the image of Reagan on a nuke with his middle finger high up in the air that matters :D

Can't argue with that logic.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, Parvimperia, Las-Vegas

Guys, I have just... abolished the government. 'There is no government in the normal sense of the word' says description of my nation. I didn't think it's possible :o

Quarantinia, New Jaslandia, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas

Ancapville wrote:Guys, I have just... abolished the government. 'There is no government in the normal sense of the word' says description of my nation. I didn't think it's possible :o

That's awesome! I'm trying to get that done in my nation. How did you go about doing that?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Ancapville wrote:Guys, I have just... abolished the government. 'There is no government in the normal sense of the word' says description of my nation. I didn't think it's possible :o

There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, pro-business, outspoken individuals keep a keen eye out for any attempt to organize such a thing, and ruthlessly crush it. Income tax is unheard of.

Beautiful

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria

Las-Vegas wrote:That's awesome! I'm trying to get that done in my nation. How did you go about doing that?

Most ofthe government expenditure vanished kind of naturally because I was always choosing options associating with not spending taxpayers' money. Then I got rid of military by "stripping the national defense budget" and removed law & defense by firstly introducing a capital punishment and legalizing lynches a few days later. However, I have to admit I haven't expected that it'll end up with removing the government altoghether, I just did it for fun.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Las-Vegas

Who would you vote for Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders ?

Because I pretty much know it is going to be those two

No, I'm positive trump will be the Nominee...

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen wrote:Who would you vote for Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders ?

Because I pretty much know it is going to be those two

Not a chance Bernie will be the nominee. Clinton will win it and the presidency unfortunately.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen wrote:Who would you vote for Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders ?

Because I pretty much know it is going to be those two

I'd vote for Bernie Sanders. Because honestly, Congress would be way less likely to work with him and get his agenda through, while he may be able to decriminalize pot at most. Can't say anything about foreign policy, both seem to want to spew isolationist rhetoric while at the same time continue bombing the Middle East.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Ancapville

Although in reality I'll be voting for Gary Johnson, as I do not need a false dilemma to hold me back from voting who I really want in.

San Andrias, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria

San Andrias wrote:Not a chance Bernie will be the nominee. Clinton will win it and the presidency unfortunately.

This seems most likely. The Establishment wants an Establishment candidate.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Apparently, increasing freedom of speech decreases civil rights, according to the outcome of this one Nationstates issue I got.

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