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Baphometus wrote:*Professor Farnsworth voice*

Good news everyone!

After a little scare, I do not have tuberculosis!

That's disa-

good for you.

Miencraft wrote:That's disa-

good for you.

I THOUGHT WHAT WE HAD WAS SPECIAL!!!!

*sobs*

You are special max. You are special.

Baphometus wrote:I THOUGHT WHAT WE HAD WAS SPECIAL!!!!

*sobs*

YOU MEAN LIKE THIIISSS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZdOMlWAKTs

It's 1AM back home.

What the hell am I doing right now.

Miencraft wrote:YOU MEAN LIKE THIIISSS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZdOMlWAKTs

Yes, exactly like that.

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Baphometus wrote:Yes, exactly like that.

Then this conversation suddenly got hot.

In a weird, crying-while-wearing-nothing-but-underpants kind of way.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I am a commando.

Would you, by chance, have experience with wearing kilts?

No, but I do support bringing the toga back into fashion.

Miencraft wrote:Then this conversation suddenly got hot.

In a weird, crying-while-wearing-nothing-but-underpants kind of way.

Eheh

The Amarican Empire wrote:No, but I do support bringing the toga back into fashion.

Let's go full Roman and set up a Republic!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y_O7aM0J3CI

Ah, my lower trapezius hurts.

Social Attitude Test.

http://slackhalla.org/~demise/test/socialattitude.php

Next on American Radio

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nppJyBUtb5o

Miencraft wrote:Would you, by chance, have experience with wearing kilts?

I wear kilts. The great kilts that is. Best clothing ever

First day of school. So Low activity from here on out till about 2:00 or 5:00 each day

Congratulations on the Change United Movement winning a plurality of Board Seats.

Pevvania wrote:Congratulations on the Change United Movement winning a plurality of Board Seats.

Things I never expected to see here.

Baphometus wrote:I wish the entire south would get out of the Union. Christian pigs.

If nations could cte irl I would want the south to.

Baphometus wrote:Or we could burn down all Christian churches and replace them with Buddhist temples.

Baphometus wrote:Okay the whole Muslims are terrorists issue makes me really angry.

They are EXTREMISTS. NOT EVERY ONE OF THEM IS LIKE THAT FVCK

Lack There Of wrote:

Are you fricking kidding me?

Pevvania wrote:Are you fricking kidding me?

Oh silly Pev, so young and naive. This is baseline RMB chatter now

Lack There Of wrote:Oh silly Pev, so young and naive. This is baseline RMB chatter now

Yeah pretty much.

Sorry, I get sassy/satanic past 1am.

Baphometus wrote:Sorry, I get sassy/satanic past 1am.

Is that what that is called?

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Kraannei wrote:Albenia, I had a dream about u.

lolwut

Lack There Of wrote:

Jesus Christ, the bar is set lower and lower every day.

Kraannei wrote:Albenia, I had a dream about u.

What?

Can you imagine how much more intelligent the world would be if we destroyed all the Christian churches and replaced them with public libraries?

Baphometus wrote:Can you imagine how much more intelligent the world would be if we destroyed all the Christian churches and replaced them with public libraries?

The irony here is so present it hurts to read

Baphometus wrote:Can you imagine how much more intelligent the world would be if we destroyed all the Christian churches and replaced them with public libraries?

Can you imagine how much more intelligent the RMB would be if you stopped spewing feces all over it?

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Baphometus wrote:Can you imagine how much more intelligent the world would be if we destroyed all the Christian churches and replaced them with public libraries?

Hooray, love and tolerance replaced by government indoctrination.

Pevvania wrote:Hooray, love and tolerance replaced by government indoctrination.

Love and tolerance. Ah yes, love and tolerance, like the crusades, and the assorted horrible injustices against the LGBT community. You will get more out of a good book than you ever will get out of going to church for your whole life. Christianity is a mental illness, a disease, which has enslaved billions of people and forced them to conform to one oerson's idea of what is correct.

Baphometus wrote:Love and tolerance. Ah yes, love and tolerance, like the crusades, and the assorted horrible injustices against the LGBT community. You will get more out of a good book than you ever will get out of going to church for your whole life. Christianity is a mental illness, a disease, which has enslaved billions of people and forced them to conform to one oerson's idea of what is correct.

If you care about your region, then why do spout such incendiary, non-constructive comments? You are convincing nobody.

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Have you ever been told by a friend that you could no longer have contact because his religion forbids it? You would understand if you had been hurt by Christianity in the ways that I have.

Baphometus wrote:Have you ever been told by a friend that you could no longer have contact because his religion forbids it? You would understand if you had been hurt by Christianity in the ways that I have.

Correction, you were hurt by an individual adhering to an incorrect interpretation of scripture. If you want to speak of the evils of Christianity I would ask you cite something from the gospel advocating violence and discrimination against those with differing beliefs.

What you are currently perpetuating is unnecessary religious based tension in the region. You routinely talk about removing religion from game play, but you're the only one that brings it up. Of course this is nothing new and follows your pattern of disruptive and hateful behavior. How you have managed to retain an elected position in this region for so long is beyond my abilities of comprehension and speaks to the nature of democratic systems.

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Lack There Of wrote:Correction, you were hurt by an individual adhering to an incorrect interpretation of scripture. If you want to speak of the evils of Christianity I would ask you cite something from the gospel advocating violence and discrimination against those with differing beliefs.

What you are currently perpetuating is unnecessary religious based tension in the region. You routinely talk about removing religion from game play, but you're the only one that brings it up. Of course this is nothing new and follows your pattern of disruptive and hateful behavior. How you have managed to retain an elected position in this region for so long is beyond my abilities of comprehension and speaks to the nature of democratic systems.

Yes, lash out at me and tell me that I am unfit to be on the board. Said the Chairman who was out for fun and frolics as the we sat here and wasted a month waiting for you do something with the board.

Baphometus wrote:Love and tolerance. Ah yes, love and tolerance,

Like encouraging voluntaryism, spreading morals to poor countries, strengthening property rights, discouraging murder and theft and preaching forgiveness.

Baphometus wrote:like the crusades,

Associating Christianity with the crusades is oxymoronic. It was a campaign of territorial expansion that clearly violated all moral principles put forward by the Bible.

Baphometus wrote:and the assorted horrible injustices against the LGBT community.

Yeah, like giving AIDS victims shelter and treatment when much of the public rejected them, or being the first religion to publicly advocate gay rights and same-sex marriage.

Baphometus wrote:You will get more out of a good book than you ever will get out of going to church for your whole life.

Maybe, but going to church is good for the soul, and helps foster a sense of community and compassion.

Baphometus wrote:Christianity is a mental illness, a disease, which has enslaved billions of people and forced them to conform to one oerson's idea of what is correct.

Couldn't that just be arbitrarily applied to any kind of ideology? And how can you be enslaved by a belief system that it not enforced by any democratic government? Your conflating an ideology with groups that follow an ideology, which is the height of laziness. Using your own logic, I could easily say that non-Christians have been the largest mass murderers in history. Genghis Khan was an atheist. Adolf Hitler was an atheist. Stalin, Mao and Pot were atheists. Modern Christianity has founded itself on the belief in private property, and has caused great advances in science, technology, spirituality, economics and wealth all across the world. Europe and the Americas, the richest parts of the Earth, have been predominantly Christian for centuries. Meanwhile, the poverty-stricken countries of the world have adopted creeds of hatred and ignorance, and so have stagnated and faced extreme poverty. Surely, by your own faulty conflations of correlation with causation, Christianity is the greatest movement, greatest life-saver and greatest wealth-creator in all of history?

Baphometus wrote:Have you ever been told by a friend that you could no longer have contact because his religion forbids it? You would understand if you had been hurt by Christianity in the ways that I have.

There is nothing in the Bible that is anti-homosexuality. Your friend is clearly either bigoted or misinterpreting Christian literature. Here: https://www.gaychristian.net/faq.php

If you had a specific course of action you would have liked to have seen the board take during this last month you had the same opportunity to voice it as everyone else.

Kraannei wrote:"I still call myself a communist, because communism is no more what Russia made of it than Christianity is what the churches make of it." ~ Comrade Seeger.

This is a great point. Soviet Russia made communism look much worse than what it is.

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And why is it that all Christians are evil and should be ethnically cleansed while all Muslims are peaceful people, and anyone who says otherwise is a racist?

Kraannei wrote:Thats complete sh*t. People had those morals before the "angels" of the Western World came to help them out. It is so arrogant and disgusting to assume that the West is superior in it's religion and system of living.

Morals not based on tolerance, forgiveness and property rights. And the West is superior in its religion and system of living, this is fairly obvious.

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Pevvania wrote:Morals not based on tolerance, forgiveness and property rights. And the West is superior in its religion and system of living, this is fairly obvious.

There are no superior societies, only differing cultures.

Baphometus wrote:There are no superior societies, only differing cultures.

This is one of my least favorite things people say. It is more than evident Someone living in America, regardless of class, is living in a superior environment than an individual living in a mud hit out in the jungle. Happiness may be subjective, but standard of living is not.

Kraannei wrote:Oh don't act like Christians are victims. They form the majority of the Western World, let alone America. The INSTITUTION of Christianity in America has oppressed people and has been bigoted... a lot. Muslims are not in power here, they are stereotyped and hated against.

I'm not saying they're victims (but in many parts of the world they are), but I don't see the logic in condemning a libertarian, peaceful, tolerant religion as a mental disorder while defending Islam and its detractors.

Baphometus wrote:There are no superior societies, only differing cultures.

So North Korea's just "different" from America, right?

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Kraannei wrote:Christianity is definitely not libertarian nor tolerant crushed.

I guess I missed that in the scriptures

I received the last vote for Chairman last night while I was asleep.

Welcome back to the Chair, Humpheria.

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Miencraft wrote:I received the last vote for Chairman last night while I was asleep.

Welcome back to the Chair, Humpheria.

Congratulations on your victory, may you do the seat justice

Kraannei wrote:Jesus was tolerant, not the bible.

If I could get some quotes from the gospel furthering this view point, that'd be great

Kraannei wrote:I happen to oppose all organized religion, so I see what you mean about Islam, but Christianity is definitely not libertarian nor tolerant. I guess I don't really mind people who use religion for personal strength; but anything big, organized and imposing should crushed.

This is sort of my view, really. I think it's more important to be spiritual at a personal, individual level.

Miencraft wrote:I received the last vote for Chairman last night while I was asleep.

Welcome back to the Chair, Humpheria.

Welcome back Humpheria!

It transpires that I've been appointed the unofficial campaign manager of my mother, who is running to be elected to the Board of Directors of a so-called "cooperative", the character of which is overwhelmingly socialist. Current directors have professed a commitment towards "social justice, environmental sustainability and fair trade". And my mother's on board with all that. Hooray.

Pevvania wrote:It transpires that I've been appointed the unofficial campaign manager of my mother, who is running to be elected to the Board of Directors of a so-called "cooperative", the character of which is overwhelmingly socialist. Current directors have professed a commitment towards "social justice, environmental sustainability and fair trade". And my mother's on board with all that. Hooray.

What exactly is this "cooperative" consist of?

Lack There Of wrote:What exactly is this "cooperative" consist of?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_co-op

Thankfully, it's all voluntary, and my mother claims to want to inject a conservative voice into the Board of Directors, but I still feel uncomfortable mounting a campaign for "social justice".

Pevvania wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_co-op

Thankfully, it's all voluntary, and my mother claims to want to inject a conservative voice into the Board of Directors, but I still feel uncomfortable mounting a campaign for "social justice".

I had no knowledge of such a group. What an interesting business model.

I would just like to say this. I am catholic and I am not attacking the lgbt community. Most of the people in the church that I go to would not attack the lgbt community. You can't judge a entire community by the actions of the loud people in that community.

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Kraannei wrote:Then don't judge communism on the actions of Stalin and Pol Pot.

I don't I actually don't mind anarcho communism.

Well,

Communist Beach.

Can't say I have any strong feelings.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Well,

Communist Beach.

Can't say I have any strong feelings.

What a shame.

Miencraft, the death penalty is a terrible idea. The government shouldn't have the power to kill people.

http://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-case-against-death-penalty

The Amarican Empire wrote:I don't I actually don't mind anarcho communism.

*Sigh* A bunch of feeder region people got to it before we did :(

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:*Sigh* A bunch of feeder region people got to it before we did :(

Why quote me to say that?

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:*Sigh* A bunch of feeder region people got to it before we did :(

Uh neo, we already had gotten to it.

Remember? And it went terribly.

My personal view, not that of my region, is that the death penalty is good. If I was a murdered sentenced to life imprisonment, I'd rather die than spend the rest of my life in prison...

It costs money to hold people for life in prison, taxpayer's money. I do however feel that the death penalty should only be given in cases where people really can't be rehabilitated. I remember reading about a Latino boy from Los Angeles who shot a guy dead when he was 13, as he was involved with the gangs. He left when he was 16, graduated, and everything was on track when his past caught up with him and he was sentenced to life. That is ridiculous. I would have called for a reprimand on condition that a future offence would have serious consequences. The guy was rehabilitated!

Comandante Fensham

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Miencraft, the death penalty is a terrible idea. The government shouldn't have the power to kill people.

http://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-case-against-death-penalty

Ignoring all the other problems, which I'm sure we'll come up with counters for one day maybe, I'd much rather send a murderer to the grave than to live out the rest of their life in a free luxury apartment with free meals and recreation.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Uh neo, we already had gotten to it.

Remember? And it went terribly.

I meant got to it and was successfully. Yes, I remember *looks sternly at TTA*.

Nancahuazu wrote:My personal view, not that of my region, is that the death penalty is good. If I was a murdered sentenced to life imprisonment, I'd rather die than spend the rest of my life in prison...

It costs money to hold people for life in prison, taxpayer's money. I do however feel that the death penalty should only be given in cases where people really can't be rehabilitated. I remember reading about a Latino boy from Los Angeles who shot a guy dead when he was 13, as he was involved with the gangs. He left when he was 16, graduated, and everything was on track when his past caught up with him and he was sentenced to life. That is ridiculous. I would have called for a reprimand on condition that a future offence would have serious consequences. The guy was rehabilitated!

Comandante Fensham

The death penalty isn't something we can agree to *voluntarily.* Giving the state the ability to control life and death is absurd, even when the state of the Lockean tradition is meant to uphold "[B]LIFE[/B], liberty, and property." Why would you want to give the state that much power?

Or, the Objectivist argument against it:

-The individual's life is the standard of value

-Once the individual is taken out of society (he is imprisoned) he can no longer take away the standard of value.

-By using the death penalty on that individual, you destroy the standard of value (life) and make it hypocritically permissible to kill (destroy the ethical "standard of value") in that circumstance, in which the collective has the power to kill while the individual doesn't.

Therefore, life without parole would be an appropriate punishment while capital punishment would be disproportionate retribution.

Miencraft wrote:Ignoring all the other problems, which I'm sure we'll come up with counters for one day maybe, I'd much rather send a murderer to the grave than to live out the rest of their life in a free luxury apartment with free meals and recreation.

Except unless you live in Norway, they probably aren't living in anything comparable to a "luxury apartment."

As it stands, the minimum standard of living is a lot cheaper than using the death penalty. The death penalty in California costs the state about $4 billion, most of that money goes to the trial costs. I don't think Americans want to pay for trial costs either to defend murderers.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=death+penalty+expenses

I just want to point out that there is equal CHUM and Independent members of the Board, so everyone can be safe in the thought we are not all making inappropriate jokes and making a mockery of the regional government.

So, Bushterria sent me a telegram.

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Kraannei wrote:Who is he comrade?

An ally of ours.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:So, Bushterria sent me a telegram.

Why?

Dear REATO,

It has been a while since I expressed my opinion on the IRU's RMB about Libertatem's raids on socialist states.

As some of you may know, the leader of REATO raids is the WA Delegate of Libertatem. Yet this alone is something that I do not object to at all. But one thing that I do object to is Pevvania's insistence to raid 'commies'. The reason I disagree with his line of thought is because he doesn't have evidence to back up his reason(s) to fight these 'commies'.

I think I should also add that there is a lack of definitions on the REATO treaty, therefore leading to confusion between signatory states and the people within those signatory states as well. If REATO were to be amended so that it would define many controversial words like 'totalitarian' (in the context of the treaty), it would sort everything out.

I would also like to point out to REATO that one cannot crush the ideology of another. That ideology would just carry on especially on NationStates. This will need an amendment that I will present on Sunday, 27 July 2014.

While I may fear for our ally Libertatem in the far future if they continue (if they persist on raiding 'commie' regions and therefore anger the inhabitants). I do wish them wish the best of luck (even if Pevvania put me in his 'Adversaries List') especially for Humperia's presidency campaign and Pevvania as an ally. I hope that the alliance between the IRU and Libertatem (and other REATO signatory nations) will get stronger as we start to turn REATO to a more pacifist and idealistic haven for those in need of protection.

But if REATO turns out to be a political weapon against 'commies', I will not be happy and would advise my region to withdraw. But if it doesn't, that's up to the Founder of the IRU to decide its future path with the IRU. We've withdrawn from REATO before, so I don't think we would hesitate to do it again if such event occurs.

On another note, I would suggest that we should follow the recommendations of the regional traveler as well as setting an alliance influence map, an alliance anthem and maybe a new flag (the current flag is of the real micro-nation; Minerva).

As I was saying, we need to start to observe a non-interventionist policy (credit to Oltrandy from IRU) which would be set so that we would protect freedom-loving regions, not seeking revenge (unless it is necessary with evidence to back up reason(s) for doing so). But, if we must use war, let us wage war against The Black Riders, The Eternal Knights and Raider Unity.

Yours Sincerely,

Bushterria

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President of the International Republican Union

Representative of REATO for the International Republican Union

Right-Winged Nation wrote:and maybe a new flag

What I heard flag what I want to do that Mien for REATO flagcrafter 2014

Miencraft wrote:What I heard flag what I want to do that Mien for REATO flagcrafter 2014

Go for it.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Go for it.

I didn't expect you to respond to that, honestly.

Albenia wrote:...Hmmm

Why does everyone insist on going behind our backs when they trash us?

Miencraft wrote:I didn't expect you to respond to that, honestly.

oh

Humpheria wrote:Why does everyone insist on going behind our backs when they trash us?

It ain't me. I have the balls to say it on the RMB...

The reason they trash us behind our backs is so we don't respond negatively.

Albenia wrote:It ain't me. I have the balls to say it on the RMB...

The reason they trash us behind our backs is so we don't respond negatively.

I'm not talking about you.

Albenia wrote:It ain't me. I have the balls to say it on the RMB...

The reason they trash us behind our backs is so we don't respond negatively.

Why would we respond positively?

Humpheria wrote:I'm not talking about you.

You quoted me.

Humpheria wrote:Why would we respond positively?

We wouldn't. That's why they only send it to the people they think wouldn't respond negatively to it.

RRRG sent it to people against you.

and that Ally of ours..well I don't know why he didn't tell us directly.

If they want to exclusively fight the Black Riders and their ilk, perhaps they should be in the FRA, not REATO.

Slavia's in a piss poor condition and they have decided that they'd rather be with hippie communists than with us.

Why would Bush do that? Send a slanderous message to everyone except us on behalf of the IRU, and then leave the IRU?

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