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does anyone wanna sue Libertatem hit me up @SolicitorGeneral

Rateria

Hyderbourg wrote:does anyone wanna sue Libertatem hit me up @SolicitorGeneral

I'd like to sue Libertatem for failing to not get totally murdered during the zombie apocalypse.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:I'd like to sue Libertatem for failing to not get totally murdered during the zombie apocalypse.

Humpheria, we're ready when you are.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

It is my sincerest hope Libertatem has a "loser pays" civil system.

I personally prefer the hardly anybody wins civil suit system. Happy is the country where civil courts are only be used as a last resort when two parties cannot resolve their differences in good faith because one or both parties are asinine dunderheads who need smacked down for their civic incompetence. Self-government means the ability to be judicious in self-governance as well.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:It is my sincerest hope Libertatem has a "loser pays" civil system.

I only approve of the "loser pays" system in cases where it is proven the plaintiff fabricated the claim, or otherwise committed some sort of libel or slander in suing. In other words, mainly for lawsuits where the victim say burnt themselves by drinking coffee because the "hot cup" notice was illegible.

One problem with loser pays, however, is the potential for victims to be unwilling to sue out of fear of going financially under as a result.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Anyone interested in participating in the liberation of a region?

Experience in R/D doesn't matter at the moment.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:News: (1)

Unsurprisingly, Max Barry is attempting to rally his huge website of American progressive shills in order to influence the election towards Hillary.

So? People should vote regardless of their political beliefs, and I see nothing wrong with encouraging voting regardless of who votes. Besides, NS is hardly a 'huge' website; 'huge' would be Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc.

New Jaslandia wrote:So? People should vote regardless of their political beliefs, and I see nothing wrong with encouraging voting regardless of who votes. Besides, NS is hardly a 'huge' website; 'huge' would be Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc.

Encouraging do something even though it's against your morals? No thanks.

Muh Roads wrote:Encouraging do something even though it's against your morals? No thanks.

Who's morals? Your's? Because if you have an to opposition to the idea of voting, that's fine, but a lot of people don't vote because of laziness or because they don't think their vote matters, and I see no problem with encouraging people who are on the fence about voting to vote. No one is forcing you to vote.

Teuberland

New Jaslandia wrote:Who's morals? Your's? Because if you have an to opposition to the idea of voting, that's fine, but a lot of people don't vote because of laziness or because they don't think their vote matters, and I see no problem with encouraging people who are on the fence about voting to vote. No one is forcing you to vote.

I agree.

Muh Roads wrote:Encouraging do something even though it's against your morals? No thanks.

Is there a reason for this?

If i was able to vote, i would have voted for gary johnson for the presidency, and then mostly democrats for congress and senate, but no matter party or affiliation i think everyone should vote, it has been a long fight in getting the right to vote for some people, and we should take advantage of it, and max berry encouraging people to utilize that vote isn't a bad thing at all, not like he was supporting any canidate.

So why is voting against your morals?

(And just to be clear, by morals, i mean this: 'a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.')

New Jaslandia

New Jaslandia wrote:Who's morals? Your's? Because if you have an to opposition to the idea of voting, that's fine, but a lot of people don't vote because of laziness or because they don't think their vote matters, and I see no problem with encouraging people who are on the fence about voting to vote. No one is forcing you to vote.

My misunderstanding then.

Alistia wrote:I agree.

Is there a reason for this?

If i was able to vote, i would have voted for gary johnson for the presidency, and then mostly democrats for congress and senate, but no matter party or affiliation i think everyone should vote, it has been a long fight in getting the right to vote for some people, and we should take advantage of it, and max berry encouraging people to utilize that vote isn't a bad thing at all, not like he was supporting any canidate.

So why is voting against your morals?

(And just to be clear, by morals, i mean this: 'a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.')

See: anarchist

I don't believe in the control of others. Choosing a new master doesn't make you any less a slave.

What's the procedure when two senators go inactive?

Flipped out!

Hyderbourg

World Assembly Delegate

Solicitor General

Hyderbourg wrote:What's the procedure when two senators go inactive?

Flipped out!

Hyderbourg

World Assembly Delegate

Solicitor General

You bring up a good point. I have also noticed that the Chancellors of War and State no longer exist.

Muh Roads wrote:My misunderstanding then.

See: anarchist

I don't believe in the control of others. Choosing a new master doesn't make you any less a slave.

didn't know you where an anarchist ;)

Teuberland wrote:I only approve of the "loser pays" system in cases where it is proven the plaintiff fabricated the claim, or otherwise committed some sort of libel or slander in suing. In other words, mainly for lawsuits where the victim say burnt themselves by drinking coffee because the "hot cup" notice was illegible.

One problem with loser pays, however, is the potential for victims to be unwilling to sue out of fear of going financially under as a result.

If you want to play, you have to be willing to cough up at the finish line if you lose.

The good news is that you would be able to go to court in two weeks rather than two years.

Teuberland

Rateria wrote:You bring up a good point. I have also noticed that the Chancellors of War and State no longer exist.

They never existed, if that makes you feel any better.

Alistia wrote:didn't know you where an anarchist ;)

I'll take that wink as a hint that I am attractive and a flirt.

I am thank you.

Be happy today for by tomorrow's end, 1/3 of the US will be jubilant, 1/3 will be disconsolate and a third will looking to blame everyone else for who gets the White House.

Rateria

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:If you want to play, you have to be willing to cough up at the finish line if you lose.

The good news is that you would be able to go to court in two weeks rather than two years.

Yeah, but we run the risk of crimes going unreported for the fear of losing out.

Perhaps there's a fair consolation: only force the plaintiff to pay the defendant's legal fees if the plaintiff can be proven to have fabricated the allegation.

Teuberland wrote:Yeah, but we run the risk of crimes going unreported for the fear of losing out.

Perhaps there's a fair consolation: only force the plaintiff to pay the defendant's legal fees if the plaintiff can be proven to have fabricated the allegation.

We could make adjudication a public service. “If you like your lawyer, you will be able to keep your lawyer. Period. If you like your judges proceedings, you will be able to keep your judges proceedings. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.” We could call it Courtcare. :)

Teuberland

I done did my civic duty and voted.

There were 9 choices for President (including Write-In) on the Ballot. Johnson was somewhere in the middle between all the Independents. Idaho marks only the GOP, Democratic, Libertarian and Constitution Party--every other party is marked as Independent. They were in alphabetical order. Hillary was listed 2nd on the list and Trump dead last

Two Nigerians were very disappointed at the polling place when they were told they had to be citizens to vote. They thought Obama had made it so all immigrants could vote. The Elections Clerk was polite but firm, and sent them on their way.

Narland wrote:Two Nigerians were very disappointed at the polling place when they were told they had to be citizens to vote.

wat.

Good to see someone actually making sure we've got only citizens voting, at least.

Also, not really related at all, but I went to the World Trade Center yesterday. That museum is something everyone should get to experience at least once.

Miencraft wrote:They never existed, if that makes you feel any better.

Really? My bad. Thank you for clarifying.

http://www.john-uebersax.com/plato/thirdparty.htm

Hope you all voted libertarian

Awaiting election results. Never a better time in my life to get drunk.

Bottoms up.

10% reporting an Gary Johnson already has 10% of his 2012 vote total...in FLORIDA

Miencraft wrote:wat.

Good to see someone actually making sure we've got only citizens voting, at least.

Also, not really related at all, but I went to the World Trade Center yesterday. That museum is something everyone should get to experience at least once.

Why

I feel like it's a museum full of state.

The Hoosiers are feeling the Johnson

Muh Roads wrote:Why

I feel like it's a museum full of state.

Even a tiny bit of state is "full of state" for you, my Lord, for Thou art an anarchist.

Rateria, Teuberland

Looks like the LP didn't hit 5% in Illinois.

RIP

The Peso is tanking.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=MXN&to=USD&view=1D

Here's hoping I don't wake up to President Clinton.

The Ambassador To The Clfr, Hyderbourg

Well, I can't say I expected that outcome.

And I'm all out of whiskey.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

I'll be dipped in Organic Waste Material (OWM)! Trump won. There is still hope for this nation.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:I'll be dipped in Organic Waste Material (OWM)! Trump won. There is still hope for this nation.

Tampa bay times headline reads.

Donald Trump is elected 45th president of the United States with Floridas help.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

Miencraft wrote:Here's hoping I don't wake up to President Clinton.

Good.

Very good.

Pevvania, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Hyderbourg

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:The Peso is tanking.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=MXN&to=USD&view=1D

Paying for that wall aint gonna be cheap.

Miencraft wrote:Even a tiny bit of state is "full of state" for you, my Lord, for Thou art an anarchist.

You would be correct

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:Paying for that wall aint gonna be cheap.

Dontworrymexicohasitcoveredamirite

Miencraft, Pevvania, The Ambassador To The Clfr

I'm optimistic for a Trump Presidency. Republicans in Congress are largely pro-trade and pro-immigration reform, so I'm hoping they can keep Trump's anti-market proposals in check. At the same time, I'm looking forward to a unified GOP government being able to finally cut taxes, replace Obamacare, block-grant Medicaid, protect the Supreme Court and more.

And of course, the greatest result of all is that Hillary Clinton, a corrupt, sociopathic warmonger who's been literally preparing for 16 years to be president, lost. Corruption and oligarchy is out. A chance to shape the future of America is in.

Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Shirayuki Mizore

Pevvania wrote:I'm optimistic for a Trump Presidency. Republicans in Congress are largely pro-trade and pro-immigration reform, so I'm hoping they can keep Trump's anti-market proposals in check. At the same time, I'm looking forward to a unified GOP government being able to finally cut taxes, replace Obamacare, block-grant Medicaid, protect the Supreme Court and more.

And of course, the greatest result of all is that Hillary Clinton, a corrupt, sociopathic warmonger who's been literally preparing for 16 years to be president, lost. Corruption and oligarchy is out. A chance to shape the future of America is in.

Yes.

How do you guys feel of global warming?

Hyderbourg wrote:How do you guys feel of global warming?

Maybe it's happening, but if it is we're not the cause and we can't do anything about it.

Hyderbourg wrote:How do you guys feel of global warming?

One of the larger and more successful scams to be perpetrated on a global scale.

Republic Of Minerva

Hyderbourg wrote:How do you guys feel of global warming?

It is most likely happening, but definitely not on the scale that some claim it us, the sea won't boil, the Earth won't explode.

https://youtu.be/52KLGqDSAjo?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

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Hyderbourg wrote:How do you guys feel of global warming?

As far as climate change, we call it the weather and it goes in cycles. I do not think that man is powerful enough (except in the hubris of his own narcissistic mind) to believe we have the ability (at this time in history) to catastrophically destroy ourselves with cattle flatulence, industrial manufacturing, and auto emissions. I am sure there are those who who strongly disagree with that opinion here on that. Most here would agree that if there is human induced catastrophic climate change that the solution is not to use it as a Hegelian dialectic to impose more failed and broken statist policies that will more certainly destroy us as a species than something we have barely scratched the surface in understanding--our actual understanding of what little knowledge we have gained about the earth and universe and how all its systems inter-operate to keep earth a viable ecosphere.

We do surmise that 50,000 years ago there was a mile of ice over what is now Chicago and the sea levels were a hundred meters or so lower than it is now; so there has been global warming not caused by humans. The Mid-Cretaceous climate was on the order of 2 to 6ºC (3.6-11º F) warmer at the equator and 20 to 60ºC (36-110ºF) warmer at the poles, (not caused by humans) so it has cooled down since then. I cannot remember which epoch was 17º F warmer at the equator.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

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Whenever fear is mongered and the solution is surrender to them your life, liberty or property--those people are not friends but enemies of your very right to exist.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

Climate change is the greatest excuse for socialist fear mongering

Pevvania wrote:I'm optimistic for a Trump Presidency. Republicans in Congress are largely pro-trade and pro-immigration reform, so I'm hoping they can keep Trump's anti-market proposals in check. At the same time, I'm looking forward to a unified GOP government being able to finally cut taxes, replace Obamacare, block-grant Medicaid, protect the Supreme Court and more.

And of course, the greatest result of all is that Hillary Clinton, a corrupt, sociopathic warmonger who's been literally preparing for 16 years to be president, lost. Corruption and oligarchy is out. A chance to shape the future of America is in.

I'm not so optimistic. Remember Republicans are only pro-small government when they are not in office. It is more likely we'll see more regulations, more tariffs, immigration controls, and all the bad stuff of the GOP agenda as their way of growing the size of the all mighty state. Furthermore the fact that Trump is already surrounding himself with neocons is worrying.

Pevvania, New Jaslandia, Kumquat Cove, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I'm optimistic for a Trump Presidency. Republicans in Congress are largely pro-trade and pro-immigration reform, so I'm hoping they can keep Trump's anti-market proposals in check. At the same time, I'm looking forward to a unified GOP government being able to finally cut taxes, replace Obamacare, block-grant Medicaid, protect the Supreme Court and more.

And of course, the greatest result of all is that Hillary Clinton, a corrupt, sociopathic warmonger who's been literally preparing for 16 years to be president, lost. Corruption and oligarchy is out. A chance to shape the future of America is in.

Statist cis scum!

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

When you finally realize the book of the month is the cat in the hat.

It could be argued that it is a book about anarchy, but more so, it's a book about two kids with schizophrenia.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'm not so optimistic. Remember Republicans are only pro-small government when they are not in office. It is more likely we'll see more regulations, more tariffs, immigration controls, and all the bad stuff of the GOP agenda as their way of growing the size of the all mighty state. Furthermore the fact that Trump is already surrounding himself with neocons is worrying.

That's not an unreasonable assumption. The Goop held all branches of government roughly from 2001 to 2007. And nothing good came out of it, the measly tax cuts aside.

Narland, New Jaslandia, Rateria

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Pevvania wrote:That's not an unreasonable assumption. The Goop held all branches of government roughly from 2001 to 2007. And nothing good came out of it, the measly tax cuts aside.

This has been the false divide (Dem vs GOP) served to Americans that spit us down the middle. The true divide that hurts us as a nation is Establishmentarian (authoritarian return to serfdom) vs. Non-Establishment (everyone else). It cuts down both of those Parties.

With Trump the most impetus that can be leveraged if we exert ourselves as Libertarians is to use this tide to disestablish as much establishment corruption as possible and replace it with nothing--the Law of the Land, Liberty and Equality shall suffice.

Pevvania

NH, NV, ME, MN, CO, VA.

These are the states that Clinton won with a <5% margin. If Trump does a decent job in office - keeps the economy afloat and has some successes in foreign policy - then he can easily hold onto all the states currently under his belt and take these ones, bringing up his electoral college margin up to 351-187. Do a really good job, and he can snag New Mexico and Oregon, which he lost by less than 10%. That brings a potential 2020 victory up to 363-175. If he can get 3%+ growth, defeat ISIS and smooth over the divide in America, I reckon he may even be able to take New Jersey, Delaware and Connecticut, which combined hold 21 electoral votes, meaning he could theoretically win by 387-151.

Of course, this is all theoretical, and for all we know he might do a terrible job, or there might be a recession (and if policy doesn't change, there will be), and Trump could be a one-term president. But recent political history shows that presidents are very good at being able to secure second terms, either because of a good economy (Clinton), a weak opposition (Bush) or other factors. Even Obama, who had a dismal economy at 8% unemployment and low growth, benefited from both a rigid and easy-to-stereotype opponent, and foreign policy actions that required little skill to pull off. American soldiers were dying by the thousands in Afghanistan, but all Obama had to do was follow Bush's Iraq withdrawal schedule, approve of the raid to kill Bin Laden that the CIA found the intelligence for, and boom, he won a reelection that would have never happened.

My prediction at this point is that Trump will be president until 2025, when in all likelihood it will swing back to the Democrats.

Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr

"New Libertatem " aside, I was the 8th president right?

So,what any ideas how to play aside from fixing issues?

Muh Roads wrote:"New Libertatem " aside, I was the 8th president right?

Fairly sure, yeah.

Azornia wrote:So,what any ideas how to play aside from fixing issues?

Participate in the region, and that's about it.

Azornia wrote:So,what any ideas how to play aside from fixing issues?

Check the forums for roleplaying. You can play as individuals, groups, countries, or anything else under the sun.

It failed to come to fruition, but the last one I did was a Fallout-themed one set in the western Midwest and the Great Plains. I'd really like to try a post-apocalyptic theme again if you want to organize one with me (maybe not Fallout, but Crusader King II's "After the End" mod would be pretty great).

Pevvania wrote:That's not an unreasonable assumption. The Goop held all branches of government roughly from 2001 to 2007. And nothing good came out of it, the measly tax cuts aside.

Pev! Long time no see!

Pevvania, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Condealism

Miencraft wrote:Fairly sure, yeah.

Participate in the region, and that's about it.

Mein! Long time no see!

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Condealism

Humpheria wrote:Mein! Long time no see!

You there! You've disappeared! Get back to Justicing the region!

But yeah also hi Humpy how've you been.

New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism

Miencraft wrote:You there! You've disappeared! Get back to Justicing the region!

But yeah also hi Humpy how've you been.

I worked for three successful campaigns, I am the leader of a different region, and I am now a public official. So well.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Condealism

What'd I miss and why the hell am I still a Senator?

New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria

Condealism wrote:why the hell am I still a Senator?

Because Libertatem is almost the perfect anarchist government: we're basically not even here.

Narland, New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism

The Presidential Election of Libertatem is coming up. Has anyone decided to run for office?

I, the Great Condealism, announce my candidacy for the super-frickin'-sweet office of Libertatem President. I'll be running as part of a new faction called the Block Party - get hyped.

Platform of the Block Party

- Anyone can join the party as long as they're not a total downer, bruh

- We'll distribute fake IDs to all non-citizens who wanna run for office and stuff

- We oppose the enforcement of regional law because it's, like, a buzzkill, mang

- Lord Roads is bae

- If we win the Presidency, free beer for everyone

Pevvania, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Hyderbourg

Rateria wrote:The Presidential Election of Libertatem is coming up. Has anyone decided to run for office?

I'll run again even though nothing's been happening.

Rateria, Condealism

I would like to announce my candidacy for Dog Catcher.

New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism

Rateria wrote:The Presidential Election of Libertatem is coming up. Has anyone decided to run for office?

I will

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

Is there a candidacy for AG, or is appointed?

New Jaslandia, Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:Is there a candidacy for AG, or is appointed?

Uh, I honestly don't remember, it'll say int he Constitution somewhere...

Humpheria wrote:Pev! Long time no see!

Humpheria wrote:Mein! Long time no see!

Really feelin the love Humpy.

New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

Muh Roads wrote:Really feelin the love Humpy.

same

Humpheria, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Uh, I honestly don't remember, it'll say int he Constitution somewhere...

its appointed

all gucci

hmu next president

im a bomb ass bitch

1-0

never lost a case !!!1!

Solicitor life

defended Roads to the grave!!!!1

New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria

As far as I know, these are the candidates that are running for the presidency of the Second Republic (correct me if I left anyone out):

Meincraft ----- No Given Party Affiliation

Minerva ----- No Given Party Affiliation

Condealism ----- "Block Party"

New Jaslandia, Condealism

Those quotation marks make me salty af

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria

Muh Roads wrote:Really feelin the love Humpy.

hi

Muh Roads, Condealism

Humpheria wrote:hi

*love intensifies*

Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria

Man we have been through some stuff, huh?

Been here with you guys here for three years...

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Condealism

How long have we gone without a mhomen meme

The withdrawal is getting to me

Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:Pev! Long time no see!

Hey Humphy! How's it going mate? I bet you're pleased to see your buddy Pence get elected.

Condealism

Condealism wrote:How long have we gone without a mhomen meme

The withdrawal is getting to me

That reminds me of the time that The Aradites had that prophecy of Mhomen taking over the region.

Condealism wrote:How long have we gone without a mhomen meme

The withdrawal is getting to me

Who the hell.

New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:Hey Humphy! How's it going mate? I bet you're pleased to see your buddy Pence get elected.

I'm well and I sure am. After that election, I'm just pretty much happy about everything.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Condealism

Miencraft wrote:Who the hell.

Fun fact: The anime Gurren Lagann is based on mhomen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WCFbdOOmOY

Miencraft, Rateria

I have a confession to make, fellow libertarians: I've hopped on board the Trump Train. While my views have only shifted slightly this year (I'm just a regular ol' minarchist/classical liberal now) I would've voted for Trump if I was an American.

Why?

Because I think his anti-establishment nature is sufficient enough to qualify him as appealing to libertarians. We always used to talk about RINOs and the corrupt political class, and in one election cycle he's managed to destroy two big government political dynasties - the Bushes and the Clintons - who have been vying for power for decades. Trump, as an outsider, is just what we need to drain the swamp and take on the political class in both parties that has prioritised their own careers over liberty and the constitution.

His opposition to political correctness will also be great for the country, because the new culture war that has begun between social justice warriors and free speech advocates is extremely troubling in a constitutional republic. The election of someone who, even before becoming president, is known for saying a host of unfiltered and offensive things, is sure to strike a blow to the whiny millennials, college campuses, feminists, and thought police everywhere.

Thirdly, his policy views as a whole are good enough for libertarians to get behind. His opposition to immigration and free trade are awful, but I can live with it knowing he has a Congress that is overwhelmingly pro trade. And enforcing the laws currently on the books against illegal immigration will do little to harm liberty.

Trump and the GOP Congress are going to repeal Obamacare, slash taxes, deregulate industry and essentially roll back this disaster of a presidency. If the ACA actually gets scrapped and replaced with something more free market, then this may be the first time since the Reagan Administration when the Republicans actually succeed in getting rid of a government program, something they always promise to do when they're out of power but never can. I believe they genuinely want to, not only because Paul Ryan is a hardline fiscal conservative, but because it's become broadly unpopular even with some liberals. Since the ACA was passed over 1000 Democratic seats of government have been lost across the country, and approval polls are against the law. Additionally, Ryan has indicated they're going to move to reform Medicare and entitlements at some point.

Trump is also pro gun rights and will appoint a Supreme Court that's going to protect the Second Amendment and hopefully the rest of the Bill of Rights too. Another thing: national school choice may be on the way too.

And finally, Trump is largely against policing the world. His foreign policy views are far from consistent or coherent but we know enough to believe that he admonishes costly and unneeded interventions abroad, which cannot be said of any of the past four presidents.

There are things to be very concerned about, most notably his utter lack of a plan to cut spending. His agenda is going to probably double the deficit unless he gets serious about reforming entitlements and cutting back social spending.

Either way, I believe that President Trump is going to be a net positive for liberty.

Humpheria, The Ambassador To The Clfr

Pevvania wrote:-yuuge snip-

1. I question whether Trump is really all that anti-establishment. I remember watching a CNN GOP primary debate where he was asked how he would pay for his wall. He rambled and added that the wall's height would be raised to the audience's applause. He finally agreed with the moderator's proposition of a trade war. There is also his high frequency of telling falsehoods. Remember when he tried linking Ted Cruz's father to the JFK assassination? Remember when he pushed a conspiracy theory that Obama was actually born in Kenya? These baseless claims

2. 'Tis well to be on the opposite side of SJWs, but I think it will have the opposite effect. People will not bow down to someone who has offended them so often (whether by actual offense or by imagined offense). It will rather encourage them to take action. For that matter, sometimes his offenses are legitimate. His attacks on the Mexican American judge who was judging his Trump U. case and his snark against the Muslim gold star mother have rightly earned him flack. On top of that, some of the provocation comes from his negative attributes towards liberty, namely supporting a temporary ban on Muslims that if not legally violates the spirit of the First Amendment, and his ridiculous call to deport all illegal immigrants, which in practice would bankrupt us -- 3% of the population is a pretty big number.

3. I question whether his policies are all that good for the LP. We do have to acknowledge his Muslim ban, his mass deportation policy (which he backed down from--the Muslim ban I'm not sure). Then we have him calling for a trade war with Mexico. Also he supports increasing military spending for our already massive military (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/politics/donald-trump-defense-spending-sequester/index.html). The only thing I see as a plus is that he isn't Hillary Clinton.

4. Yeah he'll repeal ACA and slash taxes, but I can't say he will deregulate industry, especially with his America first policy, which could see some protectionism if his trade war with Mexico becomes reality.

5. Pro gun rights is fine by me, and I can't say I'll miss Roe v. Wade when it suffers its likely death in the next four years. I don't know what the impact of the court will be, and whether it will be negative or not. I just hope that they're more about the Constitution than they are about politics, which I'm somewhat confident they will be. You got me there lol.

6. He's been against policing, but remember that he once suggested killing the families of terrorists as a deterrent. I don't have much against him here either.

Overall, I don't believe Trump would be a net positive. In a few ways he is positive, but he has a lot going against him. If Clinton won, we would be talking about how she has some social positives in her favor, but social, economic, and foreign policy negatives too. In other words, there's a silver lining to every cloud, but the lining is an incoming lightning strike.

New Jaslandia

Humpheria wrote:hi

No love, I see how it is.

I also have a confession to make, fellow libertarians: Tl;dr

But seriously, if this election has taught me anything, it's that there does not exist, and never will exist, a single politician worth siding with - at least, as far as I'm concerned. I shall henceforth adopt a 'wait and see' approach and start raising awareness for the issues I care about at a local level.

Miencraft, Rateria, Teuberland

Oh, and far as I can tell, practically everything about Trump's presidential campaign resembles the sort of business advice you'd find in motivational speakers' books - it clearly worked out well for him. He might be great, he might be terrible, but I sincerely doubt he'll be what he promised he would.

Rateria

@pev

I gladly voted for the President-elect.

Pevvania

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