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Humpheria wrote:I supported Mitt Romney for President in '12. Go!

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Humph, I was not just a supporter of him in 2012, I thought he was a hero and a new Ronald Reagan. Now I can see more clearly. As Governor, he was a gun-controlling, industry-regulating, tax-increasing liberal that literally helped create Obamacare. Then he changed all of his positions to run for President, which aren't even that conservative.

-He supports Social Security

-He supports the Department of Health and Human Services

-He distanced himself from Paul Ryan's budget plan

-He supports minimum wage laws

-He supports corporate welfare

-He outlined only a few billion dollars worth of cuts to the federal budget in 2012

-He supports perpetual war and drone assassinations on an even grander scale than Obama

-He opposes the 14th Amendment and gay rights

-He would try to nationalise drug policy and stop states from legalising marijuana

-He supports immigration restrictions (i.e. big government regulations)

-He still supports the police state, the NSA, warrantless wire-tapping and the PATRIOT Act

-He's a general RINO that opposes the Tea Party and supports neo-con, "traditionalist" candidates

He's just generally a jackass who must be stopped. He, Santorum, Huckabee and Bush are all going to destroy the Republican Party and keep it in the darkness as a fringe movement of uber-social conservatives without any economic credentials. Please, do not support this man. Support the man who will bring real change - Rand Paul.

Also, he will never win. He couldn't beat McCain, he couldn't beat Obama, and he won't beat Hillary.

Jesus, did anyone know that Slavia had been destroyed by the Black Riders?

Pevvania wrote:Jesus, did anyone know that Slavia had been destroyed by the Black Riders?

I saw. There was nothing we could do.

Pevvania wrote:Also, I think it's rather misguided to believe that we can get a quick end to our War on Communism/Statism/Bolshevism/whatever. I mean, this is a game, after all. I think the only way to end the War would be to totally demoralise the Far-Left into giving up. We have done so to many of their agents before, but such an endeavour would still be very difficult.

We should all relax a bit more about the war anyway. It's fun, and this is a game. We're hardly incurring any economic or social costs by continuing it.

Rest assured that our current enemies will surrender to us or be destroyed by our hand - prolonged conflict will weaken them, sure, but I fear the same is true for any region. Our victory must be decisive, or else no side will attain it, least of all our own.

Pevvania wrote:I will speak to the Reaganites on the Board about changes, but I would be willing to support removing the following lines:

"Because we wish to further this cause effectively, the capitalist nations will be forced to ally with the fascist nations. In this light, fascist nations will not be ejected from the region, but we maintain this region is inherently capitalist, not fascist. If a fascist nation comes to power, spams, or otherwise disrupts the stability of our region, he or she will be ejected and banned."

"Nations have a right to form and keep any form of government they so choose, as long as said government does not infringe upon the rights of other Libertatem nations and is in no way allied with the forces of socialism and communism."

This line can be altered or removed (since the term 'radically leftist' is open to interpretation):

"In case of invasion of our region, all radically leftist nations who are WA delegates will be ejected and banned to insure the security and stability of the region. Nations only moderately leftist will be permitted to enter the region without fear of banishment."

Other changes that Funky outlined, such as removing any reference to Empire, are very much a part of the RLP platform and will appear in an upcoming announcement by the RLP. During my final days as President, I actually proposed getting rid of the references to fascism and the like, so I'll be on board with this.

Such a compromise would be acceptable.

Remember also that we have a copy of the original, unamended Constitution - even if it were to be struck from the official document, we would still have the history of the Empire and the War in our archives.

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Ankha wrote:And....

All of the region's puppets finally died.

Shermaniya Ii wrote:All of the region's puppets finally died.

... and? Why do we care about a list of puppets dying in a region that we don't have any connection to?

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I'm moving this puppet. From now on I will be using [nation=Alderney and Liberty City] in Libertatem.

Shermaniya Ii wrote:Why so negative?

Probably because you posted a long list of happenings from some region nobody has heard of nor really cares about.

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What would you do if Liberosia banned everyone currently in Libertatem and locked down the region? Where would you go?

Watching an old Reagan movie....

God he was talented.

Alderney And Liberty City

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:What would you do if Liberosia banned everyone currently in Libertatem and locked down the region? Where would you go?

I'd probably go back to Federation Of Free States, which was my home before I came here to Libertatem.

Reagan and Gorbachev are stranded on an island together. They get one wish, and they both wish for a newspaper 20 years in the future. Gorbachev reads the headline and laughs: "Reaganomics crush US economy into recession." Reagan reads the second headline and says: "Hmm, it looks like there's skirmishes on the Chinese - German border."

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:What would you do if Liberosia banned everyone currently in Libertatem and locked down the region? Where would you go?

The Rejected Realms, obviously.

Miencraft wrote:The Rejected Realms, obviously.

After you arrived there.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:After you arrived there.

[The joke]

[Your head]

Miencraft wrote:[The joke]

[Your head]

[the dry and boring sarcasm]

More than 50 heads of State are waited in Paris, including both Palestinian and Israeli presidents. Quite impressive.

New WA update. How do you vote?

Walamzia wrote:New WA update. How do you vote?

As with almost everything that passes through the WA, I'd vote no were I still a member.

Damn glad I don't have to be in the WA anymore.

Why the apathy for the WA? I've noticed most of the things that get passed are more liberal type things, and some things are commendations and condemnations.

Walamzia wrote:Why the apathy for the WA? I've noticed most of the things that get passed are more liberal type things, and some things are commendations and condemnations.

It's definitely not apathy; it's more immense hatred.

And that immense hatred is because they run around passing stuff they really shouldn't be interfering with, and a lot of the time it seems like they pass stupid regulations just for the hell of regulating things. It's a totalitarian nightmare that I, for one, cannot participate in.

Unless I were to magically become President again and thus would need to participate, which I highly doubt will happen until at least next year at the earliest, but I don't really have plans to run again so I don't think that'll happen again ever.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=352533

Great article by our buddies over at the Internationale. Pointing out public information that the majority of you experienced first hand. Master journalism over there.

Why must people always affix "gate" to the end of things? Like, I get there's a scandal and all, but Watergate was far more important than any of these internet things.

Rlaettei wrote:Why must people always affix "gate" to the end of things? Like, I get there's a scandal and all, but Watergate was far more important than any of these internet things.

True...people like attention.

Ridiculous... The article shows their lack of depth in understanding the importance of Constitutional law. They really think any individual outcome is more important than the process.

hello everyone! Im a true blue conservative Republican. glad to be among fellow capitalists!

Capital For All wrote:hello everyone! Im a true blue conservative Republican. glad to be among fellow capitalists!

:)

Capital For All wrote:hello everyone! Im a true blue conservative Republican. glad to be among fellow capitalists!

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Yrellian Confederacy wrote:http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120621041855/dragonball/images/2/2b/Im-watching-you-meme.gif

Yrel, will you be voting in this year's election?

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:What election ?

In the UK, of course.

David Cameron vs. Tony Blair

In my dreams I'm a proud and classy British, unfortunately not in reality lol. I'm French don't you remember ?

Still better than Ed Miliband. I can't stand this guy.

Concerning the UK politics, it's quite impressive to see how the Lib-Dems, who used to reach about 20% of the votes are now way under 10%...

Does someone can explain that ?

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:In my dreams I'm a proud and classy British, unfortunately not in reality lol. I'm French don't you remember ?

Oh, my mistake. I thought I recalled you living in Britain?

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Concerning the UK politics, it's quite impressive to see how the Lib-Dems, who used to reach about 20% of the votes are now way under 10%...

Does someone can explain that ?

They sold the electorate down the river for a cheap shot at power. The Lib Dems ran on a centre-left platform against austerity, for civil liberties and strongly for the abolition of tuition fees. Instead, they did the exact opposite, strongly backing Cameron's spending cuts (Clegg later said that he changed his mind before the election), going along with most of Cameron's privacy invasions and agreeing to triple tuition fees rather than get rid of them. The public has condemned Clegg for this, and it is likely he will never see political success like this again. His party will take a generation to recover from this.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Pevvania is British?!

I am of a very mixed nationality and have lived in several countries, but for all intents and purposes, yes, I'm a British citizen and have lived here for a while.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:David Cameron vs. Tony Blair

Ew.

Pevvania wrote:I am of a very mixed nationality and have lived in several countries, but for all intents and purposes, yes, I'm a British citizen and have lived here for a while.

Good to know

Pevvania wrote:Oh, my mistake. I thought I recalled you living in Britain?

In Switzerland :)

IF anyone else cares... Packers are playing the Cowboys

Right-Winged Nation wrote:IF anyone else cares... Packers are playing the Cowboys

And losing. YUS.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:In Switzerland :)

You're very lucky indeed! Small government, private healthcare, liberal drug laws, gun rights. I think the only downside there is the high prices.

Ankha wrote:And losing. YUS.

I think the Packers will get it together

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I think the Packers will get it together

Ya, prob.

WAR Act has been added to list of laws. It passed in August 2014, but for seem reason was neglected to be added to the books.

Pevvania wrote:WAR Act has been added to list of laws. It passed in August 2014, but for seem reason was neglected to be added to the books.

seem?

I want to get the HOLIDAY bill on the floor by the end of the week. My only issue is Hump Day. I love Hump, but 52 days of the year dedicated to him? That's almost on the same level as the Sabbath!

HOLIDAY Act

Pre-Draft

Holidays:

August 6 - Founder's Day

December 14 - Pevvania Day

December 23, 24, 25, and 26 - Christmas Recess

Observances (weekly):

Wednesday - Hump Day

Observances (yearly):

February 6 - Reagan's Birthday

August 2 - Coolidge's Inauguration

Is there anything else we should include here?

Pevvania wrote:I want to get the HOLIDAY bill on the floor by the end of the week. My only issue is Hump Day. I love Hump, but 52 days of the year dedicated to him? That's almost on the same level as the Sabbath!

HOLIDAY Act

Pre-Draft

Holidays:

August 6 - Founder's Day

December 14 - Pevvania Day

December 23, 24, 25, and 26 - Christmas Recess

Observances (weekly):

Wednesday - Hump Day

Observances (yearly):

February 6 - Reagan's Birthday

August 2 - Coolidge's Inauguration

Is there anything else we should include here?

Uh, I am going to be that guy... Hump should get a day, not 52 days. Pev, you only have a day and therefore Hump should have one day

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Uh, I am going to be that guy... Hump should get a day, not 52 days. Pev, you only have a day and therefore Hump should have one day

I'm cool with that. When's Hump's birthday?

Pevvania wrote:I want to get the HOLIDAY bill on the floor by the end of the week. My only issue is Hump Day. I love Hump, but 52 days of the year dedicated to him? That's almost on the same level as the Sabbath!

HOLIDAY Act

Pre-Draft

Holidays:

August 6 - Founder's Day

December 14 - Pevvania Day

December 23, 24, 25, and 26 - Christmas Recess

Observances (weekly):

Wednesday - Hump Day

Observances (yearly):

February 6 - Reagan's Birthday

August 2 - Coolidge's Inauguration

Is there anything else we should include here?

Also, I feel that Independence Day for America should be included.

If we're giving Hump a day, I should totally get a day, too.

[/jokebecausereallywe'regoingtohavetoomanypresidentswithdays]

Don't look at me, I didn't write it. I personally would prefer to get a day where everything shuts down for me. Not "oh crap, it's Wednesday again."

Pevvania wrote:I want to get the HOLIDAY bill on the floor by the end of the week. My only issue is Hump Day. I love Hump, but 52 days of the year dedicated to him? That's almost on the same level as the Sabbath!

HOLIDAY Act

Pre-Draft

Holidays:

August 6 - Founder's Day

December 14 - Pevvania Day

December 23, 24, 25, and 26 - Christmas Recess

Observances (weekly):

Wednesday - Hump Day

Observances (yearly):

February 6 - Reagan's Birthday

August 2 - Coolidge's Inauguration

Is there anything else we should include here?

Yes, Eternal Leaders Reagan and Coolidge will guide our Supreme Leader Conservative Idealism to victory. This sounds like North Korea. Do we really need to observe Reagan's birthday? How about his inauguration.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:IF anyone else cares... Packers are playing the Cowboys

This game has been chippy as hell. I'm rooting for the Cowboys since I have family down in Dallas, so they've got 6 and a half minutes to get this game figured out. But whatever happens with this game doesn't matter too much to me - the real game starts in 50 minutes.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote: Do we really need to observe Reagan's birthday?

Yes.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Yes, Eternal Leaders Reagan and Coolidge will guide our Supreme Leader Conservative Idealism to victory. This sounds like North Korea. Do we really need to observe Reagan's birthday? How about his inauguration.

This might be the stupidest comparison I've ever read. We have celebrated the birthdays of great presidents for over a hundred years. Why should we just restrict this to Washington and Lincoln? Just because Reagan and Coolidge were President in the modern era doesn't mean they are any less worthy of our recognition. Comparing them to the dictators in North Korea is offensive.

The Wabash wrote:This game has been chippy as hell. I'm rooting for the Cowboys since I have family down in Dallas, so they've got 6 and a half minutes to get this game figured out. But whatever happens with this game doesn't matter too much to me - the real game starts in 50 minutes.

I hate Manning being a Charger fan so go Colts.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I hate Manning being a Charger fan so go Colts.

I don't approve of your reasoning, but you came to the right conclusion in the end. Go Colts!

The Wabash wrote:This might be the stupidest comparison I've ever read. We have celebrated the birthdays of great presidents for over a hundred years. Why should we just restrict this to Washington and Lincoln? Just because Reagan and Coolidge were President in the modern era doesn't mean they are any less worthy of our recognition. Comparing them to the dictators in North Korea is offensive.

This guy. I like him.

The Wabash

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Yes, Eternal Leaders Reagan and Coolidge will guide our Supreme Leader Conservative Idealism to victory. This sounds like North Korea. Do we really need to observe Reagan's birthday? How about his inauguration.

Reagan and Coolidge are leaders almost universally respected by this region.

Humpheria wrote:Don't look at me, I didn't write it. I personally would prefer to get a day where everything shuts down for me. Not "oh crap, it's Wednesday again."

Your birthday will Be humpy day

Pevvania wrote:Reagan and Coolidge are leaders almost universally respected by this region.

Why don't we celebrate Reagan's inauguration instead then?

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Why don't we celebrate Reagan's inauguration instead then?

Because that's just inauguration day?

The Wabash wrote:This game has been chippy as hell. I'm rooting for the Cowboys since I have family down in Dallas, so they've got 6 and a half minutes to get this game figured out. But whatever happens with this game doesn't matter too much to me - the real game starts in 50 minutes.

So it's gonna be Colts vs. Patriots, Green Bay vs. Seahawks. I'm anticipating Colts vs. Seahawks, but I'd prefer to see Colts vs. Green Bay for the Super Bowl.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Why don't we celebrate Reagan's inauguration instead then?

Oooh, Great idea we will celebrate his birthday and inauguration! (Knows this is not what you meant but decided to be a smart-ass)

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Why don't we celebrate Reagan's inauguration instead then?

Seriously, though, that's just January 21, and there isn't anything special about January 21.

It'd be even less special if it were January 20, but already several presidents were inaugurated on January 21.

And his birthday makes much more sense anyways.

The Wabash wrote:So it's gonna be Colts vs. Patriots, Green Bay vs. Seahawks. I'm anticipating Colts vs. Seahawks, but I'd prefer to see Colts vs. Green Bay for the Super Bowl.

Hmm... I Think the Colts will beat the Broncos. The colts will have their hands full assuming they make it to the patriots.

The Wabash wrote:This might be the stupidest comparison I've ever read.

Doubt it.

The Wabash wrote:We have celebrated the birthdays of great presidents for over a hundred years.

Those who were revolutionary in what they did. Reagan and Coolidge were good, but Lincoln and Washington accomplished much more than lowering taxes and reducing the government.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Oooh, Great idea we will celebrate his birthday and inauguration! (Knows this is not what you meant but decided to be a smart-ass)

Why don't we put on his death as a day of national mourning as well.

The Wabash wrote:Comparing them to the dictators in North Korea is offensive.

So the people in this region can say socialist leaders are a joke, but I can't say the same for Reagan (Not saying I am). Saying your offended means nothing, it's just a whine.

Miencraft wrote:Seriously, though, that's just January 21, and there isn't anything special about January 21.

It'd be even less special if it were January 20, but already several presidents were inaugurated on January 21.

And his birthday makes much more sense anyways.

True

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Doubt it.

Those who were revolutionary in what they did. Reagan and Coolidge were good, but Lincoln and Washington accomplished much more than lowering taxes and reducing the government.

Why don't we put on his death as a day of national mourning as well.

So the people in this region can say socialist leaders are a joke, but I can't say the same for Reagan (Not saying I am). Saying your offended means nothing, it's just a whine.

True

We Should also put his death as a mourning day, dude you are on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Reagan and Coolidge were good, but Lincoln and Washington accomplished much more than lowering taxes and reducing the government.

And this automatically means that they don't deserve recognition?

You're forgetting that this is a mainly libertarian region, so naturally the Presidents who are closest to that will get honored.

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Pevvania wrote:I want to get the HOLIDAY bill on the floor by the end of the week. My only issue is Hump Day. I love Hump, but 52 days of the year dedicated to him? That's almost on the same level as the Sabbath!

HOLIDAY Act

Pre-Draft

Holidays:

August 6 - Founder's Day

December 14 - Pevvania Day

December 23, 24, 25, and 26 - Christmas Recess

Observances (weekly):

Wednesday - Hump Day

Observances (yearly):

February 6 - Reagan's Birthday

August 2 - Coolidge's Inauguration

Is there anything else we should include here?

Just as a note, holidays are significant, observances aren't. Out of respect for the two most libertarian American Presidents, Reagan and Coolidge each get an observance a year, and Humpheria - a much more relevant figure to the region, having served as President - would get a casual observance every week, but observances are just that - observances. Holidays are the things we actually celebrate by suspending government activity.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:We Should also put his death as a mourning day, dude you are on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I move to establish every day of the year as Ronald Reagan Day.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:We Should also put his death as a mourning day, dude you are on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/04/disappointed-gif_2.gif

Okay so we need Reagan's birthday, Inauguration, and death as a mourning day!!!!!!!

So instead of complaining about Presidents you don't like, just make up some more observances to counteract that if it bothers you so much. And if you have any Libertatem-centric holiday ideas, don't be shy: Say so.

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Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:And if you have any Libertatem-centric holiday ideas, don't be shy: Say so.

Me.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Hmm... I Think the Colts will beat the Broncos. The colts will have their hands full assuming they make it to the patriots.

I agree. I'm just being optimistic over here!

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:So instead of complaining about Presidents you don't like, just make up some more observances to counteract that if it bothers you so much. And if you have any Libertatem-centric holiday ideas, don't be shy: Say so.

I honestly didn't care in the first place. I'm an outcast in this region anyway (One of the only socialists).

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Just as a note, holidays are significant, observances aren't. Out of respect for the two most libertarian American Presidents, Reagan and Coolidge each get an observance a year, and Humpheria - a much more relevant figure to the region, having served as President - would get a casual observance every week, but observances are just that - observances. Holidays are the things we actually celebrate by suspending government activity.

I think we should just give Humpy the one day and that would be the end of it.

Made a new flag for my WA nation: [nation=The Wabash National Guard]. I'm pretty pleased with it!

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Those who were revolutionary in what they did. Reagan and Coolidge were good, but Lincoln and Washington accomplished much more than lowering taxes and reducing the government.

Washington is a double-edged sword for libertarians. Yes, he created the republic without becoming a dictator and led a libertarian-based revolution, but once he got into office he strengthened slavery, went along with Hamilton's National Bank and killed anyone who didn't submit to his 25% tax on whiskey.

I think Reagan had success at home and abroad: reduced government and beat the commies. Despite not being a pure libertarian, I think he was more successful than Cleveland and Coolidge for permanently shifting the international and domestic discourse towards freedom.

HOLIDAY Act

Pre-Draft

Holidays:

August 6 - Founder's Day

December 14 - Pevvania Day

December 23, 24, 25, and 26 - Christmas Recess

Hump Day *insert his birth date here*

Observances (yearly):

January 20- Reagan's Inauguration

February 6 - Reagan's Birthday

June 5- Mourning Day of Reagan's Death

August 2 - Coolidge's Inauguration

Pevvania wrote:Washington is a double-edged sword for libertarians. Yes, he created the republic without becoming a dictator and led a libertarian-based revolution, but once he got into office he strengthened slavery, went along with Hamilton's National Bank and killed anyone who didn't submit to his 25% tax on whiskey.

I think Reagan had success at home and abroad: reduced government and beat the commies. Despite not being a pure libertarian, I think he was more successful than Cleveland and Coolidge for permanently shifting the international and domestic discourse towards freedom.

If you're going to suggest that, would you also say that FDR did the opposite? He created the Social Security system we have today, and it's going to be insoluble in about 10 years.

Walamzia wrote:If you're going to suggest that, would you also say that FDR did the opposite? He created the Social Security system we have today, and it's going to be insoluble in about 10 years.

Uh, you just gave Pev a reason to rant. He absolutely hates FDR

Walamzia wrote:If you're going to suggest that, would you also say that FDR did the opposite? He created the Social Security system we have today, and it's going to be insoluble in about 10 years.

Yes, but I think FDR's influence on the US is overstated. His lasting "achievement" is giving Stalin Eastern Europe due to a staggering mixture of naiveté and incompetence. But in regards to his impact on long-term US economic policy, although he has left an incredibly destructive mark on the country, including the abolition of the classical gold standard, introduction the minimum wage, creation of Social Security and the regulatory state (and of course postponing economic recovery by fifteen years), we have much to be thankful for. Most of the New Deal was repealed under the Conservative Coalition in the late 30s to 40s, with most regulations being repealed under Carter and Reagan, and we were spared from the creation of a literal socialist state by his death. His 1944 re-election campaign was heavily based on his so-called economic bill of rights, which pledged to nationalise much of the economy. Thankfully, his party was never on board with it.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Uh, you just gave Pev a reason to rant. He absolutely hates FDR

I could write a thousand tomes on that evil, miserable, wretched excuse for a man, but to be concise for our new arrival I have concentrated my hatred into just a paragraph.

Pevvania wrote:Washington is a double-edged sword for libertarians. Yes, he created the republic without becoming a dictator and led a libertarian-based revolution, but once he got into office he strengthened slavery, went along with Hamilton's National Bank and killed anyone who didn't submit to his 25% tax on whiskey.

I think Reagan had success at home and abroad: reduced government and beat the commies. Despite not being a pure libertarian, I think he was more successful than Cleveland and Coolidge for permanently shifting the international and domestic discourse towards freedom.

Pev, you need to study a little more American History. Washington marched the army out to Pensylvania to enforce the laws of the nation. Something that hadn't been done under the Articles. This prevented a rebellion and the fact no shots were fired, so no one died. You probably don't even like the guy for leading (sucking at it) the army and navy that removed your nation's control over many of its colonies.

Pevvania wrote:I could write a thousand tomes on that evil, miserable, wretched excuse for a man, but to be concise for our new arrival I have concentrated my hatred into just a paragraph.

I think the paragraph explained enough. I think the only good thing he said: "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". The quote should have gone we have nothing to fear but my three terms as president.

Pevvania wrote:Washington is a double-edged sword for libertarians. Yes, he created the republic without becoming a dictator and led a libertarian-based revolution, but once he got into office he strengthened slavery, went along with Hamilton's National Bank and killed anyone who didn't submit to his 25% tax on whiskey.

I think Reagan had success at home and abroad: reduced government and beat the commies. Despite not being a pure libertarian, I think he was more successful than Cleveland and Coolidge for permanently shifting the international and domestic discourse towards freedom.

Yeah, calling them an evil empire and suggesting Star Wars, a multi billion dollar project that wouldn't have been cost effective at all. Gorbachev brought down the Soviet Union fair and square, and the GDR brought down the Berlin Wall. His influence on both incidents was negligible. Besides, the Soviet Union never fell, it just became the Commonwealth of Independent States.

Northern Prussia wrote:Pev, you need to study a little more American History. Washington marched the army out to Pensylvania to enforce the laws of the nation. Something that hadn't been done under the Articles. This prevented a rebellion and the fact no shots were fired, so no one died. You probably don't even like the guy for leading (sucking at it) the army and navy that removed your nation's control over many of its colonies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

3-4 civilians killed?

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