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Region: Libertatem
I want to know what you mean by "changing the voting system". Because that's what you do when people run for things, you ask them questions about their position :P
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Just Lib Please
Ah sure :þ. What I am talking about is changing the Senate voting system to STV or Party-list proportional representation. It would be much fairer and give more accurate results. And of course I am also talking about SECRET BALLOTS! I think it is ridiculous that everyone knows who I vote for, we don't live in the 19th century anymore.
How do you suggest we'd implement secret ballots? I can think of, perhaps, telegramming votes to a specific nation - maybe SecRep or something similar - like we used to do back before polls were introduced. But maybe you had a different idea?
Just Lib Please
That's the simplest solution, yes
Can't wait for them false results to start wrecking the voting system. He who controls the ballot controls the government.
The United States Of Patriots, Just Lib Please
Idea: a movie about a teen who starts an anonymous radio program to protest the institution and gets constantly exposed and humiliated because they have no idea what the hell they're talking about
Just Lib Please
I don't believe Miencraft would do that. But yes, this is a concern and you make a good point. But I also said that this was the simplest solution, not necessarily the best one
I'm not the only one behind the Second Republic nation. But even then, it's kept pretty secure.
Only Liberosia is a more secure alternative.
Well, you are the one handling elections so if anyone should be in charge of this ballot thing it should be you
Well, yeah, that's true. Still, if someone else really wanted to they could log onto SecRep and delete votes they didn't like before I could get to them. Not that that's likely to happen, but still.
Just Lib Please
Then we could create a new ballot nation or something? Handled by the Regional Justice
By the way I like being asked questions, so if you have any just shoot and I'll try to respond
I mean, at that point you could just telegram votes directly to the RJ.
Which, really, is what I imagine would happen if something like that happens.
And, realistically, I don't think there's any law that says votes have to be in the polls, so I could just decide the next elections are done X way and X can be whatever the hell I want. I could say you have to throw a rock through a White House window in order to vote. Polls are convenient, though, and personally unless the Senate passes a law or a bunch of people want a change from the polls then I'd prefer to just stick to what we've got now.
Just Lib Please
Well, that's exactly what I want to work on. There is no law that says votes have to be anywhere, which I believe to be a problem
Miencraft
Don't dare take that tone with us. Because we err on the side of peace does not show weakness. It shows strength.
What are you still doing here
Pharoahs Haven
https://www.infowars.com/bannon-impossible-trump-will-move-on-gun-control/
We need to make sure Trump doesn't try to concede anything to the Democrats re the Second Amendment. Bush was soft on gun rights, his dad was soft on gun rights, hell even Ronnie made some concessions to the controller crowd. Let's keep Trump honest and call your congressmen and call the White House and make sure the administration defends the Constitution.
He has nothing to gain from pushing gun control legislation. Trump cannot afford to lose his base, and if he acquiesces, that's exactly what's going to happen.
The Deutsch Reich
Oh, you err on the side of peace? Please remind me which of us in posted in someone else's region demanding that they cease relations with their rival region, then backed out after the natives told them to screw off? You don't want peace, you just want to save face. And I'll take whatever tone I want, you have no power here.
Miencraft, Einsiev, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Plus he asked if we could spy for him
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order
>We err on the side of peace
>Comes to another region demanding support in your pointless conflict and demanding that we break off ties with a region just because you don't like them
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Incorrect...we requested it because they used genocidal language in their declaration towards the Dáxlamic Faith. In any event, peace has now been reached on favorable terms toward our region.
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.phpf=12&t=425305&p=32630412#p32630412
So basically "The Radiant Republic RPed in a way that I don't like so I declared war on them and then tried to get other regions to join in my pointless conflict".
You murdered that link.
The f*ck is genocidal language
Miencraft, Jadentopian Order
The hose....
Miencraft, Rateria
Have you returned?
Begone false one
Hi. Still here. I am running for senate again, but who needs a lengthy campaign promise? Ill do what I did last time and listen. Thanks for your time.
Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Hey homies Im new
Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Welcome to the region!
Rateria, New Judeica
Welcome to Libertatem! Make yourself at home!
Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Septentria
I hate dual majoring now...
Just Lib Please
The Constitution now has a table of contents with links directly to each major section for more convenient reference.
Narland, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Howdy
Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Hi there!
Rateria, New Septentria
spoovo
Reagan City, the capital of Libertatem, has now been placed on the map. A new set of islands has been added to accommodate the city and represent the holdings of the Republic.
Rateria
Quick reminder on what my positions are and what I want to achieve if elected:
- Fairer voting system
- In-depth criminal code
- Bill of rights
- Pro merger with libertarian regions
- Pro military buildup
- Limited government
We have a bill of rights, and what type of voting system?
Just Lib Please
Good question. The thing is that we don't have a 'bill of rights'. We have few vaguely worded rights but they are not clear enough and don't go far enough. And the voting system that I have in mind is either STV with Droop quota or Party-list proportional representation using the Nordic Webster/Sainte-Laguë method
The United States Of Patriots
"Article VI
Rights
Section I
All nations will have an indisputable right to self-expression, of privacy, to practice religion, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Section II
All citizens are free from banjection without due process of law.
Section III
All nations have the privilege of free movement into and out of the region. This privilege may be revoked if a nation is deemed a threat to regional security or if a nation violates regional law.
Section IV
All citizens are entitled to representation in judicial proceedings.
Section V
All nations are entitled to the basic freedoms allowed to respected individuals." What specifically about this would you change?
So obviously this would need to use something other than the regional poll system we currently use, what would you suggest?
Just Lib Please
I know but like I said, some of the stuff written there is really vague. For example, in Section I it says that I have a right to privacy yet the Regional Justice was allowed to request private Discord messages and when I refused to do so I was charged with contempt of court. In Section II it says that *citizens* are free from banjection without due process. It's really easy for those in power to revoke a nation's citizenship and then banject him. Plus it say that citizens are only free from banjection but ejecting them is okay then. In Section IV it says that citizens are entitled to representation. However when I was being charged and the Solicitor General refused to defend me due to a conflict of interest I didn't get another one
It would but that is a good thing because we shouldn't be using the poll system in the first place. Most bigger regions in the game don't use it and neither should we. I don't understand why you should be able to see who I vote for and vice versa. Now, it is true that we would have to use another system but only if we are going to use STV, if we use party lists we can still use the regional poll system. There are a few solutions that we could use, we could simply telegram the vote to a nation created for this or we could use a third party software
Do you not see the potential for corruption in a secret ballot system like that?
Would you have rather received representation from someone who felt they needed to recuse themselves?
There is but I think that if we use a third party software we should be okay
No, what I am saying is that they took away my representation and I didn't get another lawyer
spodge
What about Pev
Just Lib Please
If Pev was your lawyer how can you be claiming that you where denied representation?
Just Lib Please
Pev was my lawyer but I am entitled to representation from the state. At least that is how I interpreted the law. I learned later on that I was wrong but that just proves my point that the law isn't clear enough
"Even when I'm wrong, I'm right!"
Miencraft, Just Lib Please
Honey, I'm always right
Not only do individual interpretations of the law not matter in the slightest, but also the intended interpretation is that the law is to be taken literally. It means exactly what it says and if it doesn't say it it doesn't mean it.
Humpheria, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I am so proud to support and endorse a true public servant and tested leader like Patriots. He will continue to do us proud in the Senate.
Pevvania, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order
The vote is currently tied at 7 votes each.
Not anymore.
Don't know much about these two candidates, but I apply the Pevvania rules.
Rule n1 : Pevvania is always right
Rule n2 : In case Pevvania is wrong, apply rule n1.
Pevvania, Rateria
Things are heating up on the Discord Role Play. It's not too late to join in. Just contacted Miencraft about where you want your nation to be on the regional map and boom your in! Sign up today!
Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Guys, I know that you may not agree with everything that I want to do, but at least I want to do something to be done. Keep that in mind when you vote. Patriots hasn't even told us what he wants to do as senator. Because he doesn't want anything to be done! I can see that this region is stagnating, and I want to fix that. That is why I started the Mentorship Program, and telegrammed everyone in the region that's active in the game (answering issues) but not in the region (Discord, military, elections), to see if they will wanted to be a part of this. Two nations have already said yes. I am going to do more for activity in Libertatem in the next weeks (whether I'm elected or not) than the Senate will in the next 2 months. Mark my words
That is false, I posted my platform just earlier on discord, I know that you where active on there when I posted it, so I find it hard to believe that you didn't see it
Rateria
But if we assume you didn't here it is "I want to work with the new senate and with President Pevvania to help bolster our regions population as well as activity. I do not think that our voting system should be changed and will oppose any attempts to do so. I will likewise oppose any effort to repeal the Fraud act as it is not in violation of the Constitution. As for the positive changes I would like to make, this will come down to the situations that will face us throught the term of the new Senate. Of course I will only take action when government action is justified and will mantain my standard of clear and consice law."
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Since when did just doing something become a positive thing. Sometimes the best action is no action.
Again with an attack rather than a positive case for your election. Also as I have previously noted a false claim. Also why would it be a bad thing if a senator didn't want to do anything. I would much rather have a senator who does nothing than a senator that just wants "something to be done"
Good, look at the ability of a private citizen to make positive change. I don't see why this in particular is relevant to the election though.
Marked
Miencraft, Rateria
I wholeheartedly endorse Patriots for re-election to Seat 5. Ever since his historic victory against the Reform terrorists' attempt to rig the election, he's shown himself to be an incredibly level-headed, spirited and competent Senator. Please commend him for a job well done by sending him back to the Senate!
Rateria
With 9 votes for each candidate, if the vote closes with nobody switching their vote I'll discuss the candidates with a trusted neutral party and cast the tie-breaking vote as per the Second Amendment.
Narland, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Just Lib Please
The tie-breaking vote goes to Just Lib Please.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Just Lib Please
I just want to thank everyone and especially those who voted for me. I am going to do my best to represent all of you and make Libertatem great again. I look forward to working with the Senate and President [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]. Special thanks to [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] for having faith in me
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The Aradites, The United States Of Patriots
Congratulations to the Senator-Elect. Myself and the cabinet look forward to working with you to advance the MLGA agenda.
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Just Lib Please
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The Aradites, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I would like to congratulate Senator-Elect Just Lib Please on his successful campaign and election. Despite our differences Lib is a new voice and energy that I am sure the senate, and the people of Libertatem, will benefit from.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Just Lib Please
Thank you for your kind words
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I need some inspiration, in 5 year eras ex.(80-85 or 70-75) what era of rock music do you guys think was the best?
Rateria
68-73 or 67-72
From 67-70 you have the best of the Beatles' work, in 72 Bowie released Ziggy, Lynne takes over ELO in 72, the Rolling Stones, The Doors, and so other many classics come from this period. The music from around this time sets the framework of everything that comes after it.
Rateria
Id say it depends on what youre looking for. I keep thinking of ones that depend on subgenre.
PSAT memes
Easily 1983-1988. In the midst of the economic, cultural and political renaissance of the west, we had a resurgence of quality music. We saw Michael Jackson, Bon Jovi, Prince, Phil Collins, Whitney Houston, Madonna and many more reach their peak. There's just so much good music from that era in all genres, from rap to rock.
Rateria, Just Lib Please
And Disco was dead or dying! :D I don't really have a favorite era just favorite genres (anything but 70s Formulaic Disco, TOP Charts (specifically pop) after 1971, Banal Country, and Gansta Rap). Lean toward Blues, Punk, and Western and Indie Rock (real indie not marketted indie) with an appreciation of everything else from Folk to Metal.
Music perennially blossoms and withers within the genres and depends on artists, distribution and what mongrels...er moguls control the contracts. The Internet has hopefully broken the stranglehold of the RIAA and Recording Industry that has suppressed and destroyed many forms of musical expression (and the artists) in the last half of the 20th century (unless the struggling artist could break their grip of the industry establishment through popularity, financial independence, or shrewd lawyering). Indie music of any genre or pioneers of a particular sound (that are truly artistic) Beatles for instance, can be found in any era; and excellent music examples can be found whenever.
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Just Lib Please
I hate you.
Okay yeah, just forget that the 70s produced artists like Queen, Led Zeppelin, The Stones, Pink Floyd, Bowie, Billy Joel, and many others. Fake news.
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Glad no one said early 2000s though. I hate 2000-2007 with a burning passion.
Too bad the 70s doesn't quite cover the King since most of his stuff was the 60s. Plus he died in '77 so there's that.
:( There is no accounting for taste. Don't hate me too harshly, I do make exceptions for Abba, Gloria Gaynor, and Osbourne and Zappa's rendition of "Staying Alive." Every single one of my foster-kids liked country -- the sappy kind of country... they were always telling me to turn my "old man" music down -- usually when playing metal or thrash. Now the shoe is on the other foot with a preponderance of their kids liking metal.. ***insert maniacal muahaha here***
I am glad we do not divide politically over musical tastes. The C&W Party vs the Rock Party with the Punk Party hardly getting any seats and the Thrash Metal Polka Party never getting any at all.
Rateria
Speaking on music, I hear that Sally Jones of Krunch went over to ISIS as the "White Widow" and ended up being killed in a drone strike.
If it helps, a lot of 60s stuff that inspired 70s music was pretty heavily influenced by him. Hell, I think even the Beatles said somewhere that all they ever wanted to do was be like Elvis.
Alright, I'll accept it, I'm not ashamed to admit I can dig some Abba. As for country, I hate most of it. I can tolerate Cash, but the new modern kind of "bro-country" is awful. I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of metal, but sometimes I can jam.
Miencraft, Rateria
Funny how that works out. Elvis said he could never be as good as Fats Domino and the Beatles were trying to be as good as Elvis. Kinda neat to just follow the music back through all the different people who inspired all this different stuff.
Rateria
What's even cooler is that you can basically track all music back to classical stuff. Even stuff like The Beatles, (Again!) drew on classical influences a TON. McCartney used lots of classical ideas when he wrote his music, which is even more impressive if you take into account that none of them could even read music.
I'm not very musically literate, but there is a really cool documentary somewhere about how they used classical stuff in their music, I forget the name, but I'm like 99% sure it's on YouTube if you're interested. Music theory and all that jazz just flies over my head, but still pretty cool.
Miencraft, Rateria
The 70s sucked.
Truemerica, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
First of all, how DARE you.
Second, no they didn't.
Rateria
gay people
Late 60s and 70s are the goat
Cuphead is just like dark souls
Dark Souls is the Cuphead of JRPG.
Hello Lieberia
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Miencraft, Rateria
Fellas, if you haven't, join the discord!
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Speaking of joining the Discord, the link should now be more visible on the light theme.
Funny that seeing as how so many people apparently hate the dark theme nobody noticed that the Discord link was barely visible without it.
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
(edited) ..... I am with you in spirit.
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
What kind of captcha are you looking at that takes 40 minutes to solve?
Rateria
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Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Libertatem at war!
Get in the action and join the RP!
Only on Discord!
Rateria, New Tampa
If only you knew. HeeeeeeHAHAHAGAHAHAGAAG
I use dark theme
I'm now maintaining a factbook to keep track of any important details about the current war:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=901224
I'll put some effort into formatting it later.
Edit: Holy crap there are previews for links to factbooks now.
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa
ambidextrous wanking
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