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Region: Libertatem
Yes. Yes. A thousand times. Yes.
You NSers seem to enjoy walking around the biggest point.
Here.
Killing an Animal
*Gives a human want (don't need as food from plants)
*Hurts the animal
*Done without consent
Now sec with one
*Gives a human want
*Hurts the animal
*Done without consent
Board elections are imminent.
TTA, I'm gonna need your party and a promise that you'll use Med here if you win.
Also, Minerva, I see you're on.
Let's do the thing.
Yay, the thing!
What is the thing?
The thing where I give you the words and you become State manager.
Okay sure. Work your magic.
Alright then.
Everyone shut up.
R. of Minerva, do you solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem; to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law; Do you affirm that it is your solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, and to uphold the integrity of the region; and promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of your office, so help you God?
DRP
And yes I'll use Med. I'm trying to right now but mu habit of using Deseret...is...killing me.
I do swear to solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem; execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law; affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, and uphold the integrity of the region; and promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of your office, so help me Ayn Rand.
Welcome to the State Department.
Thank you for your service, Funkytopia.
Danke schon.
*Gives a want, AND a need.
*The animal isn't hurt whilst taking eggs/ milking cow. The animal is also killed painlessly and quickly. No hurt.
* You can't use this argument. Animals have no way to give consent.
1. You don't need meat. It's a want.
2.It's hurt when being killed for food. How? It loses its life.
3. That's the argument used against Beastiality.
1. Yes, many people need meat. Not everyone has food too choose from. Vegans are usually elitist and can afford NOT to eat meat.
2. No, it isn't. Did you not read? They are killed quick and painlessly. They don't know they are dead. No hurt.
3. There is SO many reasons why bestiality is f*cked up.
1. Most people can farm or take eggs/milk. They don't need meat.
2. So it'd pwrfectly gine to kill without consent but not screw without consent?
3. Name them...all of them.
Consent is a relative thing when it comes to this. You have to use it in context. It's perfectly fine to use an animal to feed yourself because it helps you survive. Sticking your stuff inside an animal isn't necessary to survive.
I'm momentarily exiting this conversation on the RMB for elections.
Definately Yes^
Congratulations Rotgeheim for joining the Reaganist Libertarian Party!
Woop! Woop!
Thank you, dear Humpheria.
1. What? MOST people are unqualified to farm their own, or raise livestock. Meat is still needed, again, not everyone can afford such a lifestyle such as veganism.
2. Completely different things. You can't compare screwing an animal for pleasure to eating an animal for sustenance.
3. Well, the whole fact that you want to stick your d*ck in an animal is f*cked up enough. You can't look past this.
...I feel obligated to say this thanks to SOMEONE'S campaign.
I don't agree with those who Practice Beastiality. Nor do I practice Beastiality.
I'll support your right to do it though.
In other news, 2,200+ National Guardsmen are currently mobilized in Ferguson.
Gosh darn it.
I have half the votes of Humph?
I'm doing great!
A Vote for Humpheria is a Vote for Tested, Experienced, Leadership!
Humpheria has served as Chairman of the Board for multiple terms!
Humpheria served as the sixth President of Libertatem and first Vice President under President Pevvania.
Humpheria currently serves as Attorney General.
He has proven that he maintains the capability and the gall to lead the Second Seat into an active, open Board. Something that Libertatem desperately needs, just look to it now to see what Board inactivity serves.
[Paid for and Approved by the Friends of Humpheria]
Pretty good for a newcomer. We don't get many like you 'round these parts.
Here is my whole campaign.
Viye for change. That's it. Don't vote for me. Don't vote for Humph. Vote for change.
I don't want votes I don't want him to have votes. I want change.
Who brings change is who you should vote for. Don't votw the person. Vote the person that brings change what you should vote for. Change.
New comer?
I'm Time/Albania/Deseret.
He's not really a newcomer...
You get around.
My hiatus has taken a toll on my knowledge of what's going on. Gosh darn it
Parents... ummm caused me to change for reasons I'm not open to saying.
Change at what cost? I can think of another politician who used that word like he knew what it meant and it didn't work well for America. Another opportunist campaign will not do well for Libertatem.
Saying a buzz word repeatedly is not a platform. Here are my issues.
- Reform, not suspension or termination, but reform of the War on Communism
- Streamlining the embattled, confusing judicial system
- Promoting fair diplomatic policies and internal reforms
-Vote Time For a Sensible and Moderate Libertatem
*Change of the flag to show the viewpoint of liberty
*Repeal of Article 8
*The end of the War on Communism
Far be it from me to assume. But, it seems to me that these are all hot button issues that you are using rather skillfully to exploit the voters.
I may not base my campaign around are popular buzz issues. But my views are finite, concrete. I do not so easily change my views or my talking points. Libertatem knows what to expect from me.
I would also like to talk about your views on North Korea.
You've made no secret of your correspondence with North Korean officials. I commend your resolve, but why did you go there. You have the right to support them as a private citizen. But, if elected to the Board, you would be an official. North Korea has committed open hostilities and has banned and suppressed our citizens. While you have been allowed to stay and debate. I will not even honor this suspicious turn of events, I hold you to a higher standard. As an official, you would be there on an official level, it would be an entirely differently circumstance. Are you advocating for open relations with them despite the previous crimes to the region?
Ladies and Gentleman, for your listening pleasure, courtesy of the Friends of Humpheria campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF3D2oiy6YA
As you listen to this song, I would like you to think about all that we, as a region, have accomplished. Think about the hardship and the strife that we have overcome to make our great Libertatem! From the days of an appointed Board, to the concept of an elected Board that President Pevvania and I ushered in to give the People an opportunity to elect their voice in the government. No matter how you vote, which party you support, what issues you agree and disagree with, take pride in heart and accomplishment in stride. I am a Libertaten. You are a Libertaten. We all are Libertatens.
I agree, I commend his resolve to make Libertatem better. I by no means agree with the means, or his idea of a better Libertatem. But he tried, which is an accomplishment in itself.
[B] Why did I go to North Korea?
To see exactly how it was over there. To give them the backdating thw doubt and see if it qas as bad as it was said and to dismiss some myths. North Korea is semi-Democratic but not to the extent of Libertatem. The North Koreans continue to state that they are fighting the war on Communism for defense and education and besides your testimonies against it and their testimonies for it I have found no other reasources about this. So I will not comment on that point.
I also went for my own knowledge. I wanted to see exactly why they thought what they did to see how they responded in a debate and I was impressed. They held their own; however I found it childish that according to them every problem in the world was capitalism's fault. I couldn't argue that point as no matter what I said they always moved back to capitalism. This fact disappointed me.
[B] Future in North Korea of my person
I am actually finishing my mission of "knowledge" with disgust. They made Biden look smart. Their only arguments were capitalism causes all this and America was evil. I am not learning why they believe anything besides the fact they think the poor are exempt from crimes because all crimes are capitalist constructs.
[B] Policy towards North Korea in my view
I will be pressing for the end of the war on Communism and open communication with them, but only if they up-hold a deal. I will try everything I can, but if North Korea refuses to communicate peacefully I will then agree with the break-off of communications. However we can only hope to accomplish this possibility if we end the war on Communism and I believe if the War on Communism ended then we could lead the way to peace as it seemed obvious that although they thought of us as reactionary they enjoyed the war about as much as I did as they seemed more worroed with the fascists than the Libertatem "Reactionaries"
[B] Response to being called a traitor
I made it clear I was there. I refuse to allow my communication with them a traitorous act. I believe open communication can break the ideological gap and allow peace. I don't want to betray my region of Libertatem, but I also want non-hostile relations with North Korea. I also believed that I cpuld take the opportunity to learn about North Korean supporters.
You're welcome.
4 votes against Humph? o_0 This is somebody who has a range of accomplishments that make him more than deserving for a return to the Board. Of course, he has a wealth of experience on his side, and a résumé longer than almost everyone in this region. But on top of that, he has some great ideas that will reinvigorate and refresh the region. He, like the President and most members of the RLP, is committed to reducing the size of government, minimising the bureaucracy and reforming the judiciary.
The ideals of the so-called 'New Libertatem Party' are confusing, misguided and dangerous. If enacted, their agenda would rip the heart and soul out of the region and crush what made Libertatem great. The flag is a symbol of defiance against Bolshevism and the state. Attempting to change the flag would erase our traditions and represent an erosion of our sovereignty in favour of bowing to foreign pressures. The RLP will never stand for letting foreign regions alter our Constitution and way of life. The repeal of Article 8 and an "end" to the War would be, in reality, aimless gestures. The Revolution would continue at the hands of the footsoldiers that have worked to bring us countless victories against the Bolsheviks, and even if the NLP gained control of the Board, House and Presidency, they would not be able to stop the free associations of the people of Libertatem unless they resorted to the use of force. So the only way to forcefully end the War would be the creation of a police state.
Vote RLP - liberty, strength, republic
Can I just say, TTA, that you're running for Board. Not for Manager of State.
So. It can still be my policy to encourage this.
I don't really view TTA's mission to North Korea as particularly traitorous. I just think it's a big waste of time. They clearly don't tolerate viewpoints that they consider offensive, and you'll never convince any of them to change their beliefs one iota. I've spent quite a lot of time debating them before, and it's an utterly fruitless process.
^^^
Sure. I don't have to do it, though. I'd focus more on internal business. Puts your energy into something more constructive and more likely to actually get something done.
And goddamnit that's Deseret again.
I disagree with you on one thing, Humph: why does the War on Communism/Bolshevism/Statism/Whatever need "reform"? It clearly has strong public support right now. Why would we need reform when we're winning?
Reform the execution and structuring. Strategically strike precise targets, rather than sporadically targeting regions.
You cannot win a war against an ideology. Especially in nationstates.nt where a region can just be made in a new name.
It's just a gaaaaaameeee!~
It's fuuuuuuun!~
I'm sorry that you are so misguidedly uninformed to believe that that is what we are doing.
However, that is a personal view and has no outcome on the Board. The Constitution explicitly states in Section II that the Board has no influence on the powers of war.
I would also support implementation of a different varient of the war if the end doesn't happen.
Not to start smearing... But TTA strikes me as a political outsider. He seems out of touch with the values of the region, is openly anti-constitutional, has made a name for himself for constantly changing his beliefs, is under fire for talking to the enemy, is a member of a foreign government and often posts messages from other regions. He also has a history of traitorous acts against the region, being the first nation ever to be convicted of treason and banned for it. I am not convinced one bit that he has any loyalty to the region, and do not think he is fit for higher office.
Glad somebody else said it.
That's not what the war is about.
*Sigh*
As long as we are making involuntary bodily noises.
*Cough*
*Hiss*
*Burp*
*Gaseous Discharge*
The war, to me, is for a couple of big reasons. The biggest reason is for the sheer joy of raiding, of course. The other reason is to intervene - and not always militarily - in order to keep the various people of NS from having to hear from far left wing bulshevit. The very fact that CAPS was made to agitate this kind of stuff means we should be more careful. Nobody should be forced to accept "communism." The people of NS should have full autonomy, from autonomy from the WA to individual autonomy, and not have their decisions influenced by a greater power, whether it be from the left, right, or center. It's the same reason why I hate "social engineering" so much, and other manipulative sh!t.
[B]North Koreans protest against UN resolution on human rights[/B] - The Guardian
North Korea held a mass rally in Pyongyang today to protest against a United Nations resolution condemning its human rights record.
Thousands of protesters in Kim Il-sung square carried banners praising their leaders and condemning the United States. Such mass rallies are organised by the government and are used to express its official line.
North Korea has denounced the UN resolution, which is the first to urge the Security Council to refer the issue to the International Criminal Court. That would open the possibility of its leader, Kim Jong-un, being targeted by prosecutors. The non-binding resolution is to come before the UN General Assembly in the coming weeks.
North Korea says the UN move is based on trumped-up allegations by defectors and backed by the United States and other countries seeking to overthrow its ruling regime.
State media KCNA have been producing articles critical of the human rights situation in the United States and threatening severe retaliation against any attempts to bring down its government.
The resolution followed a UN commission of inquiry report early this year that said North Koreas human rights situation exceeds all others in duration, intensity and horror.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/25/-sp-north-korea-protest-un-resolution-human-rights
I renounce my citizenship.
Well.
Goodbye, then.
That means one of you had better run for 3 tomorrow before I appoint someone to it.
That's unfortunate. Goodbye Amarican. It's been a pleasure.
I reluctantly except victory for the 2nd Seat of the Board. I am reluctant because this victory comes with the loss of The Time Alliance. He has renounced Libertatem and left. While I rarely agreed with him, he made gargantuan contributions to this region and fought to keep democracy alive by questioning and fighting for what he thought was right.
Today is a victory for the RLP. But a loss for Libertatem.
New flag.
Well, I regret these departures, and the NLP consequently stillborn. Personally, despite disagreements on the Libertatem actual policy, this region is my home and I feel good in it.
Thank you. I'm glad to see that you're sticking around. I'm sure that with hard work you can make the NLP a thing.
TTA has not informed me of his renunciation of citizenship?
So that's kind of sad.
But who the hell is going to run for Seat 3?
Yeah, you guys know I'm like this. Deal with it. It's not like this doesn't happen all the time elsewhere.
Maybe one of the Seat 4 candidates will take it. There are three of them.
Scratch that, just got the telegram.
Poll will remain open regardless because we generally do that just so we know it happened.
RIP.
Your tyrannical reign will come to an end one day.
=P
I'm a bit disappointed that the established author of my cult left Libertatem.
...and time to do some recruiting. I'm quite tired of this population decline. We need some fresh blood. Which is why I've purchased 10,000 telegram stamps, here's hoping we attract some good folks.
Also, to Pevv, I have contacted you regarding the process to becoming a soldier. you never did get back to me on that.
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I switched to 5 but American left the region
I'll move to seat 3 and NCSA can have 5 uncontested
Sorry to see Amarican and TTA go... I think it was a rash decision.
I think I've been as much a force for change here as anyone, but you've got a duty to convince people and build consensus. That just doesn't happen overnight.
Their goes The Warring States votes....
Why the hell did they leave?
Well, they'll be back.
By the way, I realise that some people are waiting on me to respond to their telegrams or take care of something else for it. I'm busy at the moment, but will take care of it today.
Actually, no, RRRG is running for 5.
If you ever need the telegram I shoved into the recruitment API, just come get it.
Excuses, excuses. NS comes first Pev! Lol
I'm busy these days as well.
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