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Region: Libertatem
Pevvania, I lay my trust in you to support this great region and will continue to do so despite our disagreements. I am eager to see where the nation will head now that the founder has left.
Hey Blahbania, could you make my islands a lot smaller? They're not THAT huge. The middle one is only about the size of Ireland.
Are your islands the ones in the middle of the atlantic?
Would anyone be interested in assisting me in a little conflict i've found myself in?
How do I do that?
YES TO AN FFS-LIBERTATEM-IRU UNION!!!
The forum would be right und here:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=269388&start=50
That is a WFE endorsement/campaign even though it's not the intent, and it is unfair to other nations running because they don't have access to the WFE.
Please remove the name.
Also I'm joining the RLP...
Update of the worldmap! See my factbook for more information! Is there anyone missing?
[url]www.nationstates.net/nation=islands/detail=factbook/id=183141[/url]
I ain't too sure about a Libertatem-IRU-FFS Union. IRU is dying quickly, and the FFS share a different set of values from us.
The IRU is the connection between the FFS and Libertatem. We can bring the IRU back to its former glory.
I'm not missing. I'm now called Empress Jasmine, rather than Princess Jasmine.
Anyway... I have a pending treaty with the FFS but I think it's never gonna be signed. Mind if I propose the same treaty here? Here it is: http://bit.ly/SIFFStreaty
I will edit it later... :)
A few updates to the political parties.
Lack there of, being the highest-ranking member of the Libertarian Party, has now inherited its leadership since Snabagag has left us.
Empress Jasmine has started the Green Peace Democratic Party. Read about it in the 'Parties' factbook, linked in the WFE.
This has a much more accurately sized Miencraft, but could you go into my factbooks for a reference of the shape?
I could totally do this myself, but I don't want to confuse everyone.
Who here would be interested in raiding a Communist region?
Post self-deleted by Empress Jasmine.
I am honored to take on the leadership role of the regional Libertarian Party. I will be posting a roster of the the party in my fact-book. If you were registered with Snabagag, or would like to join please TG at your nearest convince.
In regards to the proposed treaty with the FFS and IRU, the way the current document is written is both absurd and overreaching. I am strongly opposed to any attempt at ratification of this document.
I just edited the map. Jasmine wanted more of the east (Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.) so I gave her more.
http://i44.tinypic.com/kswb5.jpg
Thank you!
I've got an idea (that I stole from ISA): we should form a collective political compass. We should all post our political compass scores here and put them into one chart. That'd be cool.
I like this idea, where and how can we do this?
It's a feature you can do on the website. What I'd suggest is for you all to send me the images of your political compass scores and I'll do the rest.
War!
The Minarchist Republic of Blahbania has officially declared war on Uzbekistan.
Uzbekistan has attacked a power plant near the Aral Sea, a border area on the Blahbania-Uzbekistan border, just for being "too close" to the border.
Before any of this happened, The Dictator of Uzbekistan has released a statement:
"Blahbania must not put any major facilities, military or civilian, near our border, or war shall be had!"
Blahbanian President Vladimir Vishnevsky released a response to the Dictators statement:
"We will not let this dictator assault our nations sovereignty. Of war must be had to keep our sovereignty, then war shall be had!"
The next day, the attack on the power plant happened, and war has been declared.
War has been won!
The Uzbek capitol, Tashkent, has fallen, do to the countries poor military.
But, Uzbekistans former neighbors, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan have attacked in the name of "liberating" Uzbekistan.
In conclusion, one war has ended, but a new war has begun.
The map has been updated.
[This is now Snabagag's "diplomat" to Libertatem...what an awkward thing to say, anyway.]
I place my utmost trust in Lack there of, to lead the Libertarian Party. I wish you well, and may you carry on the spirit of liberty with great vigor and fortitude.
Update from the war front
Tajikistan has fallen and is now overrun by our forces.
Turkmenistan has mostly fallen, and Ashgabat, the capitol of Turkmenistan, is the only city in Turkmenistan that hasn't fallen.
Ashgabat has fallen and the war has been won.
This week I will post a new update of the map with the new changes.
Also, I have annexed Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan.
While congratulating Blahbania on it's victory, the State Department urges that it's annexed territories be returned to their peoples, and peaceful democratic governments be erected.
It will be done
This week I will post a new update of the map with the new changes.
Folks I need more of your political compass scores. I only have 1 ( excluding mine which you can find in my political positions factbook ) and I want to make this as accurate as possible. If you don't know where to take the quiz at it's here: http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
On a lighter note the ISA has decided to engage in a multi-national project of constructing an interstate system from mexico, into America, and ending in Northern Canada to increase trade between these nations.
They are
Also, good job on the recent re-foundings. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
You guys can call me President, if you want. Not an official title, but I like it ^_^
lol, okay President Pevvania, i will refer to you as such. :)
For all those who have NationStates++, I've created a Regional Newspaper. The first article is about Miencraft. http://www.nationstates.net/page=blank/?lookup_newspaper=216
Enactment Legislating Elections and Confirming Transparency
Section I
Purpose of this amendment.
To redistribute government power to the citizens of Libertatem, to liberalise the region's core legislative institution and to recreate the Board as an elected body for the people, by the people and of the people.
Section II
Provisions of this amendment.
Henceforth, all five non-managerial seats on the Board are to be held to account by the People of Libertatem for three complete days between the 25th and 27th of each month.
Each seat is to be designated Seat 1, Seat 2, Seat 3, Seat 4 and Seat 5.
All votes are to be sent to the Delegate or other designated officials.
Any number of candidates may run for election to any seat.
The candidate, per each seat, with the largest number of votes wins.
Each Board member may be elected to an unlimited number of one-month terms, which will begin on the first of every month and end on the final day of every month.
If a Board member leaves office for any reason, a one-day special election shall occur to determine what nation will finish the rest of the member's term.
Before the new Board member is chosen, the Delegate may appoint an acting Board member to occupy the seat, or leave the position vacant.
Section III
Clauses to be amended.
Article I
Section I
Subsection I
The Board shall consist of eight nations. Five of these nations shall be chosen through popular elections. If an impeachment is successful, a new election shall be held.
Section II
Subsection II
A vote of no confidence in a Board member or Manager may be undertaken via the House of Representatives. This shall be the power of impeachment.
Authored by [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation].
Voting on the ELECT Amendment begins now. It essentially makes all Board members, excluding the Managers, elected positions.
I vote Yay
I vote Nay
Section III
Clauses to be amended.
Article I
Section I
Subsection I
The Board shall consist of eight nations. Five of these nations shall be chosen through popular elections. If an impeachment is successful, a new election shall be held.
I don't understand how the board can be 8 nations if there are only 5 seats? I also think in that instance even 5 board seats are to many because of a high amount of inactivity in the nation. The bill needs more details and specifics and I think ( as the Manager of Internal Affairs ) that we should postpone the vote. I'm open for collaboration on the bill Pev or we could get the community involved in Chatzy session on the bill.
Finally! I vote Yay
It would have been beneficial to have had time to discuss this amendment, which we have not. I have two major issues with this amendment. The first being the length of the proposed terms. Monthly election cycles are a little too much democracy and will lead to a ludicrous amount of regional politicking in addition to minimalizing the importance of the election through have elections every 30 days. A longer term would be more efficient for the process and the board members wouldn't have to be worried about campaigning during their term. A term consisting of 3 to 6 months would be preferable. Secondly there is no clause stating that a member nation cannot run for more than one office at a time. This is needed in order to prevent the same nation from wining more than one board position.
If the amendment is amended in these ways I would happily vote for it, until then I must vote NAY for it and I strongly encourage others to do the same.
You guys are right, I've thrown this on you guys a little too quickly. We'll take time to discuss this.
ISA - three members of the Board are Managers. I am wholeheartedly opposed to elected Managers. The Managers act as the 'cabinet' of the executive, there as both an important advisory body and an organ in the governance of the region's affairs. The cabinet should always be chosen by the Delegate, so he can find a good set of nations to execute the functions of government and its agenda.
Also, be more specific about the specifics you want included :P
Lack there of - good points. I think 3-month terms would strike a good balance between realistic, sensible terms of office and also spur regional activity and participation. And while I don't foresee multi-running ever happening, that's a valid concern that I'll address.
Hey you all...
I haven't been on again in a few days again. The reason why is because Friday night, my best friend was admitted to the hospital, then yesterday morning, he passed away... I'm sorry for the consecutive absence, but it's been a rough few days. My apologies.
Wow, so sorry for your loss.
Must have been terrible, I for one don't see any reason to be apologizing.
I am sorry for my extended absence, I was with my Model United Nations team for a conference for three days.
Acranea you are in my thoughts and prayers. That is an awful time for anyone, no need for apologies of any kind.
I am sorry for your loss dear friend.
I'm sorry for you. You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
I'm afraid I also vote Nay. 3 month terms are a better idea. Although it is commendable that you are attempting at returning some power to the people. On another note, I am curious, how was voter turnout? Hopefully it was just not the "regulars" on the RMB voting.
I vote Yay.
I'm very sorry, Acranea. That's truly saddening, but you can take comfort that he's with God now.
Board Member Roads, I've amended the amendment accordingly. Voter turnout for the Special Election amounted to 16 nations. We got a fair few quiet nations voting.
Thank you for sharing, President Pevvania.
About this Nationstates++, can someone tell me how the Puppet function works?
I agree that a term of 3 months would be more beneficial than a 1 month term. If that is changed the amendment has my vote.
16/100 nations voting. It's nice to have such high numbers but when were down to a margin of half that that even participates on the RMB then we're failing. This region is compiled of lots of puppets and we need to clean up things.
I wouldn't worry about that, ISA. There'll always be a naturally low number of actives compared to inactives. I've seen it in many regions. Most nations who join a region simply don't care to participate, and are fine just sorting out issues. 10-15% may seem low, but it's actually a very high number compared to various other regions. And it's certainly higher than the 2% of active nations we saw during the Month of Decay.
Just for the record, I am yet to revive any telegrams regarding membership of the regional LP. I will create a listing in my fact book off the nations registered on the board, but aside from that I am unable to devise who is in the party.
Not a whole lot to it, Click your nations name.. puppet is in the right hand corner. Log in your puppet nation, and it allows you to switch back and forth between nations without typing in login info each time.
It's pretty boss.
Is everybody happy with the ELECT Amendment now? I've made some edits to address everyone's concerns. I'd really like to put it to vote ASAP.
I am content with the changes and second the motion to vote
Thanks
Why don't you try to figure out what nations have puppets here? That way you will know how many puppets there in the region. If I'm correct there was a rule in this region that every nation could have 5 puppets max.
I will still vote Yay
Let me tell you something Islands. It's insane and nearly impossible to track down every puppet in this region. I don't know which ones are puppets but we all know that the majority are puppets since this region has harbored them for a long time.
I vote Yay, as I did before.
Folks I need your help. In my WHAP ( world history advanced placement, it's a college course in high school ) class I have been known as the ardent fighter against socialism. I know that most of us here are against socialism too but I have an idea. You see sometimes we get stumped by little questions by those guys like " why doesn't capitalism care for the poor ", which it does by the way, so I want to organize a committee of nations here in Libertatem to create multiple factbooks between us and share the info. What the factbooks will consist of are those petty questions that socialists ask and we offer factual answers with sources. I urge that we come together and do this. It would mean a lot to me and telegram me if your interested.
One day special election.. seems a bit short considering. Maybe include a day to make sure the people are aware that the vote is happening. This would leave a halfway decent amount of time so that nations can debate as to why they would be a better fit for the position.
That's a good idea, ISA! How about we submit one Q & A each?
OPERATION: ROCKNE
The Libertatem Army needs YOU!
Sign up to Operation Rockne and help liberate a region under the control of a tyrannical dictator!
Send a telegram to Pevvania if you want to participate in the liberation. We'll need around 4-5 nations with World Assembly membership.
Join the Army today!
With that changed, i am now in full support of the Amendment.
As am I.
I'm not going to vote
I vote Yay
I will join.
VOTES FOR ELECT:
Delegate 1/1
Managers 2/3
Board 3/5
We just need Abaretta, Miencraft and ISA to vote for it to pass.
Here's a controversial question: what are your thoughts on the Confederate States of America and the Civil War?
For me, it's unfortunate how the right of states to secede was effectively killed by this, Lincoln was fighting a very moral cause in destroying slavery in America.
Please don't hate me.... But, the Civil War was in no way based on the issue of slavery. The Civil War was started by the Southern states trying to keep hold of their sovereign rights and economic stability. However, the Northern government insisted on forcing their own political beliefs on everyone. They shouted conformity and tried to continue their Socialist ways. When the war was won, due to the South being a fledgling country and not being able to support their army, the North knew that they would have to justify the bloodshed to the future generations. Slavery. As history is written by the winners, they covered up the war as being based on slavery and thought that was good enough. So, in closing, the common belief that the Civil War was based on Slavery is a twisted, gnarled viewpoint that was shoved down our throats as children. Thanks.
I'm no expert on the Civil War, so I can't really counter-argue here.
Islands, I didn't know you were Dutch :)
Yes! I am Dutch. How did you figure it out? Because of my small puppetregion haha?
Yup :)
There were no "good guys" in the civil war. On the CSA you had the elite of the Plantation society wanting to continue the system of regional economics based on slavery (not capitalism) pushing for succession and ultimately war.
For the North you had the war criminal Lincoln murdering his own citizens in droves and suppressing the rights of the nation in order to maintain control of the south. Lincoln also instituted the first national income tax, making slaves of the entire nation while "freeing" only a minority after the war was clearly won.
The civil war just sucked.
A little off-topic, but here is the updated map of Libertatem as I promised: [url]http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9372/70l2.jpg[/url]
At my factbook you can see what area's are still free to pick: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=islands/detail=factbook/id=183141
Awesome map :)
This is fantastic.
I'm going to just go get my wallet and throw money at the monitor now.
What are your thoughts on gun control? I used to support it, before I started seeing some real facts.
I think gun control is bull crap.
Gun control is more about control than guns, just like pretty much anything else that's being controlled in such a way.
Thanks!
Thanks, this comment is brilliant :D
Indeed. I mean, if you wanna kill someone, gun laws won't stop you from doing it - you'll either just find a way around the law or use a different weapon. All that gun control does is take the freedom of self-defence away from individuals who just want to defend themselves.
Just need the votes of Abaretta and Independent States Of America to pass ELECT into law. Hurry up, guys! :) This is the closest we've ever got to passing real legislative reform, which I'm truly excited about.
Nay
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