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Region: Libertatem
Also, President signed the Liberty Amendment into law, which makes it the last such amendment to be done so via that process.
Miencraft, Rateria
I'm now Chancellor of the Interior. I suppose it would be good to swear me in tomorrow.
Pevvania, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order
If you really want to. It's just ceremonial, you've already fully taken office.
Music to my ears. :)
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Wait a second.
I was reading our beloved constitution, and realized that their is nothing that says Senators cant hold other offices.
So technically someone could hold two seats in congress!
Am I missing something?
If not this needs to be fixed.
The Senate is defined as being composed of five Senators, not five seats.
That means five distinct Senators; five different people.
Got any room for an objectivist in your free region? Who are the rest of you ideologically?
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Libiceland, Pulceria
Hullo!
Narland, Libiceland
Of course we do. Our founder Liberosia, who retired from the game several years ago, is an Objectivist.
Most of us are either minarchists or ancaps, but we have others too. Welcome to Libertatem :)
So he's not around anymore? Sad!
Pevvania, Fascist Dred
Lynch the commies
Fascist Dred, Objectivist State
Is your praxis the traditional death by rotary aircraft or something else?
Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred
Hello!
Fascist Dred
Okay then. I guess I should just go onto my duties.
Nope. He retired from the game years ago and goes to college now, but he's still very active in Objectivist circles. His account, however, is controlled by me and a few others.
Oh, I see. What are you, then?
An all around good guy
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots
Super Mario 64 is science fiction
I'm a Minarchist, but also an Ethical Objectivist :-O
Robert Nozick > Ayn Rand
Narland
I was too old for Pokémon but my way younger little sister was the right age for it and Digimon. She's in college and still plays it on her 3ds. Running around as a 10 year old fighting mobsters, gang thugs, and shoving critters into a cages so they could fight other critters of the same fate didn't sound too appealing as a 30 something. If my grandfather were still around he would say somthing like, "When we were kids we had to chisle our adventures in cuniform on clay tablets--kids these days have it too easy. " :)
"too old for Pokémon"
Also welcome to Libertatem.
Im a Theistic Objective Realist (pre-Burkean Paleo-Conservative / Classical LIberal) Radical Republican (little r republicanism) Anarcho-Capitalist (but is cynical enough to settle for Minarchism); outspoken advocate of extreme liIberty, minimalistic limited goverment, and broad self-governance to secure natural rights in contractual obligation of civic virtue by self-interest and pursuits of happiness so that the sole purpose of government it to stop force and fraud and practice beneficent indifference; Reform Evangelical on the Whitfield side of the fence; and Goldwater disestablishmentarian.
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland, Pulceria
Lol. Believe it or not when one gets to a certain age the suspension of disbelief becomes too taxing to engage in every cultural penomenon introduced. For an uncle it was table-top role playing games although my great-grandmother played D&D with me. She put inked a brassiere on the harpy, though. =)
Rateria
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/57019853.jpg
Hyderbourg
That makes sense. Thanks for answering.
Rateria
So your a Juris Naturalist. Me to!
(see the Uncle Eric books)
Narland
I suppose a paleolibertarian. Philosophically an ancap but practically a minarchist. Culturally conservative in terms of feminism, illegal immigration and Islam. I'm somewhere between Friedman and Rothbard, and I support the Donald.
I don't know what I would call myself so here's my compass: http://i.imgur.com/1S2u50S.png I guess I'd be considered an ancap but not really.
I'm getting really tired of the ceaseless whining from feminists and multiculturalists myself, but hey, free speech is still free. Islam has no place in the west though as the totalitarian religion and ideology that it is and feminists have already received what they purport feminism to entail, i.e. man-woman equality. They are simply an annoyance at this point.
I still prefer a libertarian over Trump. He seems like more of an economic nationalist than an actual capitalist.
Narland, Venomringo, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order
100% agree. We really need to make protecting campus free speech and free speech in general a big priority, because the SJWs and their allies are trying hard to roll it back.
That reasoning was why I didn't initially support him, but in office I think he's shown himself to be far more economically right-wing than we thought. First President since Clinton to try balancing the budget, he now supports cuts to entitlement programs, his deregulation agenda has already saved the US economy $80 billion and is still going and in my opinion his healthcare bill is a great first step. I'm very impressed with his time in office so far.
Miencraft, Narland, Venomringo, Objectivist State
http://imgur.com/a/URGyF
I guess that I'm just a minarchist, but, more specifically, I align myself with Austrian economics and I favor social views that promote liberty, however, like what Pev said, I am culturally conservative towards Islam, immigration, and feminism.
Pevvania, Narland
I am economically, socially, culturally liberal.
Big announcement coming at 6:30 this evening.
Man, I love our accomplishments. But Libertatem is starting to feel "Trumpy". Can we just not?
Rateria
I miss the days when Andrew Jackson got condemned by the Senate for an "unconstitutional" non-binding censure. Imagine what the Senators of 1834 would think of executive power today!
Narland
Libertatem has always been a loose alliance between conservatives and libertarians. We all have our own view of liberty.
The United States Of Patriots
Oh hey what's that over there? It's a new political party. Yay.
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
President Humpheria
This announcement comes very early, two months before the beginning of the next election, but as grumblings begin for the election season that Libertatem surely lives for, I must make clear my intentions to the people of Libertatem. I will not be seeking re-election to the office of President of the Second Republic of Libertatem.
I entered into this office in the fire of scandal, which, thankfully, turned out to be unjustified. I have always prided myself as a public servant. You can trust me when I tell you that it has not been easy filling this role, nor will seeing it through to the next president. But, I have been since my first appointment to the Board in the First Republic in October of 2013, a steward of the public trust and a servant leader. However, there are many more competent and qualified than I to fill this role in the future.
It is important to remember that there are still exactly 2 months until the beginning of the election and this administration still has work to do. Military operations and diplomatic endeavors such as the CPE merger (which is close to completion) are priorities moving forward to ensure a safe and well-positioned Libertatem.
Thank you all for the opportunity to serve you in this great capacity, it is an honor to be your President. I look forward to finishing this term strong and working with my successor when the time comes.
Humph
Pevvania, Narland, Muh Roads, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order
I know this. Trump isn't a great figurehead or representation of our region.
REATO felt so much more at home.
Humpheria, Rateria
What ever happened to REATO?
Trump: Not the hero we want, but the hero we deserve
Narland, Fascist Dred
From my understanding, it just kinda fell apart.
lack of strong member states really
"Jill Stein Gives Us the Water of Life"
I think people should look deeper into what he actually has done and accomplished and make their assumptions on that without going off on "Trumpo the Clown"-presentation of Trump on the liberal media. Of course, the "TRUMP IS OUR GOD EMPRAH"-larping meme children are better off ignored as well. They are not a serious movement with a serious ideology or anything like that. I yearn for the pre-alt right days of the right, when there was just the old and new right and all the different schools of thought on the right. Alt-right are more of an upsurge of racial and national socialism and collectivism as well as the larping children's republic of Kekistan, if anything. These people shouldn't really play around with things they have no understanding of.
Narland, Rateria, Venomringo
One last thing about Trump: if he doesn't end corporatism and minimize government to have equal opportunity realized in America, he's not my candidate. If the right doesn't reform and go back to its roots of individualism and small entrepreneurship, it's not my right. There can be no equal opportunity before this corporate socialism is ended.
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Venomringo, Pulceria
When she tells you she's into bondage but later accuses you of tying her down and raping her
Were you that bad in bed? Gosh.
Rateria, Libiceland
I'm getting tired of all these totaly unrelated post you make The States Of Balloon.
Can we please keep this a little more focused.
He's Balloon. He just does this on a constant basis. There is no stopping him.
Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria
I can dream can't I :)
"No, you can't dream. Dreaming is illegal. You are under arrest."
-Some stupid statist
The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria
Republicans have released their healthcare conciliation bill. It's 142 pages - actually readable this time - and Democrats have already rushed to condemn it. Sad! Chuck Schumer is a bad (or sick) guy!
Objectivist State
It's a bad bill
Narland
I disagree. If tax credits are the price to pay for getting rid of a government program for the first time since the 90s, then so be it.
Miencraft
Should the Civil Rights Act be amended to protect white people?
It may not be perfect, but we shouldn't dismiss it just because of that. What's ever been perfect anyways?
Pevvania
Which Civil Rights Act?
I support [nation=short]the states of balloon[/nation] free speech rights, get em buddy.
Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland
no
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Libiceland
Free speech should not extend to memers!
Libiceland
#FreeBalloon
Rateria, Libiceland
Go Rand!
Pevvania, Objectivist State
It's the so-called moderates I have a problem with. Republicans have been given dozens, maybe even hundreds, of seats in legislatures over the past 7 years in order to repeal Obamacare. I love how the RINOs seem to think that now they're in government they feel they should 'moderate' their promises. Sometimes it feels like Joe Manchin is more trustworthy than losers like Murkowski.
But yeah, go Rand. If he can make the bill as free market as possible and still get it through the Senate, that'd be great.
Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Libiceland, Objectivist State
Of 1964.
Schumer is a f--king crook.
Sure, but we can't endlessly sell our principles for a compromise. We need to be more assertive in what we want and fix republicans and the right from within.
Pevvania, Narland, Libiceland
I don't really like that act, or at least no some parts of it. Discrimination by individuals and private companies should be legal
Pulceria
Uhhhhhhh...
Nor can we ignore a good first step to try to get something that's perfect.
What??? If people don't want to sell gay people cakes they shouldn't have to
Venomringo
The only discrimination that should be forbidden is when the government is doing the discrimination. If a private company only wants to hire X group, or doesn't want to serve Y group at all, that's their own business. They'll be driven out of business for it because people aren't going to like it, but that's their own choice and it should be left to be their choice.
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Venomringo, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order, Pulceria
I love his little asides. He's the new Mhomen (praise be his name).
I think we've reached the age where outlawing private discrimination is no longer necessary. We can't regulate people's thoughts, but we've created an enormous social stigma against racism towards minorities. The question in regards to whites, though, is important, because we see groups and universities and institutions segregating people along the lines of race, which is abhorrent.
Miencraft, Narland
He's a terrible person in almost every sense of the word, as are Pelosi, Feinstein, Graham and McCain.
Of course not. But as Ronald Reagan said, if we ask for a loaf of bread and get only half, take the half and come back to ask for more. The right-wing complaints about the bill are so overblown and are actually helping out the left's agenda. It's a good first step and that should be enough. We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Too many libertarian virtue signallers around.
Would it be a good thing if Roe vs. Wade is overturned?
Can someone frame that for me, I want to hang it on my wall :).
Libiceland
For conservatives who do, I doubt they would get the wanted results. If left to the states abortion quickly would be legalized. Just look at gay marriage, Utah of all places legalized it before the SC ruling.
Why not just ban abortion? It's so disgusting
Exactly people should be able to deny service for any reason, if don't want to serve anyone with a man bun I should be able to!
Plus the free market solves the problem of "bigoted" businesses. If they don't serve X someone else will and they will be losing money. That's why Jim Crow laws had to be actual laws the free market wasn't as interested in discriminating against Blacks as they where with serving them and getting their money
Yes, it is a horrendous legal decision let alone a violation of separation of powers.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Libiceland
Utah is more libertarian than people give it credit for
Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Pulceria
Also, isn't that the way things are supposed to work anyway? I'm looking at you tenth amendment.
Other also, is comparing Gay marriage to abortion really a fair comparison? There is no legal right to marriage there is a right to life. Which is generally what anti-abortion arguments are based on. While anti-Gay marriage, legislation that is, is mostly based on freedom of Religion and association. Which I already stated that people should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. So for me it's a moot point.
Miencraft, Libiceland
LSPAN: The Senate is now is session!
Also on LSPAN: President Humpheria has a stroke live on the Senate Floor! http://i.imgur.com/FWMMtpZ.png
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order
What is disgusting is not supporting property rights for females. It's their womb, not the states.
Except they abandoned Johnson for neoconservative McMuffin so
Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Post self-deleted by Libiceland.
A reminder that votes by Senators will not be counted in this poll, since they already got a chance to vote on this.
Rateria, Libiceland
They consented to having a kid when they consented to having sex
This argument completely ignores the fact that condoms and other forms of birth control exist.
Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order
And?
Consenting to sex doesn't mean you want to have a child. Unless you're one of those nutjobs who pokes holes in rubber, one of the reasons you're using the condom in the first place is to not get pregnant.
If you're on the pill, you're on the pill so you don't get pregnant even if you decide to have unprotected sex.
Consent to sex != consent to have something live in you for nine months then continue to be a drain on your resources for at least eighteen years afterwards
Rateria, Venomringo, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order
When one consents to having sex, he or she should be fully aware that sex can result in pregnancy. It is simple biology to acknowledge that sex can make babies, regardless of if that was the intent. To make the argument that thats what abortion is for is an excuse to deny that consent to sex means consent to pregnancy and it is a selfish and irresponsible excuse.
If you're actively taking the necessary precautions to reduce the chances of pregnancy, you're literally doing the opposite to consenting to childbearing. Doesn't matter if there's still a chance - if you're actively trying to lower that chance, you haven't consented to it, and in fact you've consented to the opposite happening.
Rateria, Libiceland
You have consented to it because you know that birth control doesn't always work yet you still decided to have sex
No, you haven't. You're using birth control because you're actively trying to avoid pregnancy.
It's like wearing a seatbelt. You can still get hurt even if you're wearing a seatbelt. The chance is a hell of a lot lower, though. But does the fact that the chance is still there mean you're fine with being injured? Of course not.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
We are talking about killing a baby here
No, at the moment we're talking about whether or not consent to sex means consent to pregnancy.
If you're actively trying to reduce the chance of pregnancy, obviously you don't consent to getting pregnant, so consent to sex cannot be blanket consent to become pregnant.
Mainstream support against abortion isn't argued that way unfortunately and I usually becoming a religious argument a lot.
The United States Of Patriots
You do consent to getting pregnant because you decided to go ahead anyway!
See: seatbelt example
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