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Region: Libertatem
Alright folks thanks to Pev and the Political Compass I can now show off me on their scale. It's in my political beliefs folder so I encourage you to look at the chart, give me some feedback, and maybe we can compare ours. I also just finished writing a paper for extra credit in my AP World History class on Syria and if anyone would like to read it it will be in a factbook.
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> [nation=short]independent_states_of_america[/nation] said:
Alright folks thanks to Pev and the Political Compass I can now show off me on their scale. It's in my political beliefs folder so I encourage you to look at the chart, give me some feedback, and maybe we can compare ours. I also just finished writing a paper for extra credit in my AP World History class on Syria and if anyone would like to read it it will be in a factbook.
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Our Compasses are pretty close, Independent States of America! I'm 8.7 and -.36!
Good to hear, and welcome to Libertatem!
what is this compass?
http://www.politicalcompass.org
This is the compass. It basically measures where on the political spectrum you are.
It would be quite neat if we had maybe 10-20 nations submit their political compasses and then we average out the array of compasses and post it on the RMB so new folks can see what kind of region we are even better.
4.62 -.62
Here's me:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=7.12&soc=-4.26
I'm about 2/3 right and 1/3 libertarian. I used to lean far right and only slightly libertarian.
I don't see how you can go that low on the libertarian side. I think ever since my progression into limiting intervention into foreign countries and limiting capital punishment has made me a tad bit more libertarian.
What I mean is that I use to be like 2+ on the authoritarian scale.
It requires open-mindedness to be that libertarian. I'm beginning to realize that there are some people out there with weird tastes, but that doesn't make them wrong. That just makes them different - diverse. Diversity, I think, is the sure sign of freedom.
Our diverse mind-sets are what makes this world go round believe it or not. You cannot have progression without a bit of objection. It's that constant fighting that actually progresses a democracy in my belief.
That is true - disagreement might seem contradictory to a free society, but respectful arguments are what keep the wheels of democracy turning. Unfortunately, it seems the two main political parties have taken their gloves off, and when they aren't warring they're agreeing on things that make the government bigger. Someone needs to use objection to teach them a lesson.
We should go ahead and create the Logic Party that Ben Carson said he would be a member of.
the logic party?
Speaking of Ben Carson, has anyone else seen the movie about him, Gifted Hands?
The logic party isn't a real political party but whenever people ask him what party he would be in he always says
A. Neither, but if you have to put me in one it would be called the logic party
Or B. His views most align with a conservative republican
I would love to see Carson and Herman Cain team up in 2016.
if herman cain is on the ticket i will deffinately vote for them
New Republics has repeatedly tried to make contact with our ally libertatem to no avail
Sooooooooooooooo now I'm here
For me, I look at U.S. History from a neutral stance. Thats the one thing I cant stand about the subject its always biased. Wether it be Liberalized in the North or Diversified in the West, or Conservative in the South. Yes I am a Conservative, but I cannot look at American History in that viewpoint or else it will corrupt the subject. By saying that I do have great respects for the achievements of Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, and Kennedy. Also I have doubts on Washington, Lincoln, Nixon, and W H Bush. But that doesn't mean they were bad or good people for their actions in their time. Yes our views of economics will differ with the way FDR, handled business, but his actions were rash for the situation. Our nation economy was in ruin and the infrastructure was in need of modernization. Now those actions may seem socialist or leftist, but it was necessary at the time, because across the country you had National Socialism and Communism on the rise.
Maybe you left a message with the wrong people, New Republica. Welcome to Libertatem.
As for World War 2, I believe the allies should have made an alliance with Germany in 1944, when offered. The Germans were prepared to quit on Japan in return for the second campaign of the Soviet Union. If this were to happen the World would be a happier place in my opinion. Examples are, Chinese Nationalist would have defeated the Communists, North Korea would not exist, Vietnam would not be communist, Eastern Europe would have been lacking communism. Also the decolonization process would have gone smoother, noting that the Soviets wouldn't be pestering with every detail in Africa and South East Asia.
And Hitler would have been alive longer, and the Nazi regime (who, might I remind you, were the real Big Bad of their day) wouldn't have dissolved near as quickly. The world would have been worse if we'd offered anything to the fascists.
I would just like to note that history is indeed a very interesting and fun subject but to be honest it's a bit tiring to read about it from Prussia and Pevvania. It's not the 1900's anymore and we need to focus on the issues in Libertatem or the ones going on in the world today. I respect all of your historical opinions but I just don't see the significance it poses to anything right now and I believe it's time for CI to roll out his democracy bill.and I think it's about time I create a bill on the creation of a recruitment manager.
I couldn't agree more, ISA, but I have to make a few changes to limit the power of the Delegate first. I'll release it when it's ready...should be a few minutes.
We had messaged you're founder several times and I guess we have it is nice to meet you friend
Our founder is retired. That's why you received no reply.
The proposed amendment is complete and ready for process.
CI I hope it isn't to late but there is one thing your bill is lacking, how to stop voter fraud. I know lots of you here use puppets but it's a bit unfair that one nation can manipulate the entire voting process with a multiple amount of puppets. I believe nations should somehow register their puppets and if a nation is caught voting more than once then a punishment should occur. I simply mean, one nation one vote.
I see the PROCESS Amendment proposal as a stepping stone to a better region. Has anyone read Liberosia's original DEMOCRATIC Amendment proposal?
At first I didn't agree, but in light of recent events I think this is the best move we can make. If we are the defenders of democracy, we may as well emulate it in part despite having a business structure.
The practiced limit on puppets is five; any nations exceeding that total will be put on trial. If this works for legislation, it will work for elections.
That said, I think we should enforce legislation that makes an official puppet limit of three. This can be passed as regular legislation.
so what happens next?
I would push that no puppets can vote to be honest but perhaps we can compromise on letting the main nation and 1 puppet vote (2 nations total) for the time being.
We wait for Snabagag to recognize the PROCESS Amendment is in the queue, and then begin the amendment-specific vote.
This vote will be the last time I use more than one nation to vote, but constitutional amendments are really hard to pass right now.
i would agree that no puppets puppets be allowed to vote
In that case, I challenge everyone to move puppets out of the region until you have no more than three nations present...preferably one. Right now.
Then I will draft a piece of legislation that mandates a three-puppet restriction limit, of which only one nation may vote.
Goodbye everybody.
So will you also enact a sort of data bank to register each main nation and their puppets?
I guess this is it.
Bye, puppets!
Puppet registration? No; the people here are trustworthy. We will count on them to give their word.
I'd like to do more, but I have to go. Peace!
Good, I'm fervently against national data banks. I think with these amendments your bill will become nearly golden.
good thing im the only one of me here
Good to see the RMB has started rolling again! :)
Prussia, I also used to view American history from a neutral-leaning-Keynesian point-of-view. I thought there were great Democrats and great Republicans. But I've learnt more, and I've realised that most Democratic Presidents are either a) racist segregationists, b) mediocre one-termers or c) statists. There are a few decent ones, and one or two excellent ones (like the little-known supply-sider, John F. Kennedy), but most are pretty bad. If you think that FDR was a good President, I highly recommend that you read New Deal or Raw Deal? and FDR Goes to War, both by a guy called Burt Folsom. The first one in particular is an eye-opener. I don't want to descend into another monologue about the man, but he was probably the worst President in American history. Little-known fact: he told Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau that tax cuts and deregulation would likely hasten economic recovery, but he thought that a fascist President would succeed him if that were to happen.
I want to pledge my support for Condealism's PROCESS Amendment. I was a bit sceptical of the amount of power granted to the Delegate, but now I realise that the Delegate position is virtually always open. Thankfully, though, we have a great fell'r in office right now.
I've supported anti-puppet-rigging legislation from the day I joined the region, but as CI has said, the people here are trustworthy.
As a proud southerner I must abandon my southern hospitality and put in place my mountain pride to note that it's feller.
My mistake.
i wondered about that
The People's Journal
Supreme Leader Moon announced today that over twelve units of the experimental DARK-III Artillery would be deployed alongside the East-West border. The nuclear-armed artillery is the first in a range of new weapons programs orchestrated to "readjust the balance of power," in Comrade Moon's words, with the "mock regime to the west." Amidst great economic growth and a rapidly redeveloping military, will Great Comrade Moon finally take us to victory against our capitalist brethren? Only time will tell, but we can all place our faith in the Great Leader!
ALL HAIL COMRADE MOON!
Today, Princess Sparkle the Third called a press conference concerning 'True' Equestria's military build-up. In response to the DARK-III deployment, Princess Sparkle has mobilised all nuclear submarines off the Bridle Shores and has moved 40,000 troops to the DMZ in anticipation of a military strike.
"We are ready and prepared to deal with any and all threats from our brutal communist neighbours," the Princess said. "Their economy is weak and their military programs are far behind our own. If it comes to war, we will summon the strength of the Equestrian people and cripple Moon's regime in one decisive blow."
The Princess is calling on the intergalactic community to help deal with True Equestria's aggression, and has even requested support in the event of war.
this looks interesting
"Left-Leaning College State"
What the f*cking f*ck?!
It annoys me how most economic issues either give you the choice of either 'leftist over-regulation', 'socialism' or 'Keynesian corporatism'.
Heck all the issues on NS are one-sided and if there is a compromise it's always some crazy answer that tends to favor authoritarianism.
The only real way to make sure you have the nation you want is to meticulously choose the details of your nation when you create it and neglect to answer any of the issues.
Indeed. On Chatzy, guys.
hey guys as a home schooler i would ask all of you to look into the Wunderlich family and take whatever action you feel appropriate.
You're right pev, why is private enterprise illigle and yet I have no police force. Or government for that matter.
NEWS FROM THE DMZ
After weeks of tension at the eastern Equestrian border, a clash broke out between soldiers on both sides, reportedly over whose manes were the thickest. The resulting gunfight ended in the deaths of three True Equestrian soldiers and one Nuevo rocketeer. Communist dictator Nightmare Moon has vowed to retaliate at this "act of unparalleled brutality".
Tensions are higher than ever as the two nations prepare for war.
OOC: Equestria, can I send a diplomat over to discuss the war and possibly our support?
On Chatzy, everyone.
If you want. We very much are in need of assistance!
Actually, you can send me a telegram.
http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/09/05/chris-christie-vs-parents-of-sick-2-year
More reasons why Chris Christie is a sh*tty candidate.
The Republic pledges its support for its new ally Nuevo Equestria and will commit 30'000 soldiers in the case of war with its neighbouring communist aggressor.
HOORAY! Tony Abbott won the Aussie election!
Hello I am new to this region. I tried to register as a Democratic-Republican about 7 days ago but got no reply, I was just wondering if that party is still active?
The Democratic-Republican Party has been pretty inactive since people like Rebelland CTE'd, but ISA has recently joined it.
Brales you needed to get in touch with me, sorry for your inconvience.
Congratulations on your election, President Sinatra.
The REAL official party factbook is right here.
We need to incorporate that into the World Factbook.
The Libertan Army (name subject to change) needs YOU!
I am soon to recreate and reorganise Libertatem's army so that we can one day become the greatest anti-communist fighting force on NationStates! I hope to make what has traditionally been a fascism versus communism battle into capitalism versus totalitarianism.
Organisation of the Libertan Army
The Army is under the command of Pevvania, who will plan and usually lead raids against other regions. Due to the small size of active nations, the soldiers under my command will initially all hold the same rank of private, but this will change as the region grows.
Soldiers will be organised into either 2-nation fireteams or 4-nation squads. Different units will be assigned to different objectives in the future, but for now we have just one operation in mind.
How raiding works
The essential objective of raiding is organise for a group of 'endorsers', or troops, in the World Assembly to move into a region and endorse the leader of the raid. If the leader has gained more endorsements than the current World Assembly Delegate, then he will become the Delegate. The raid leader must wait to accumulate 'influence', which can be used to kick and ban nations from the region. Meanwhile, the troops must remain in the region, endorsing the Delegate, until everyone has been banned and ejected so the region is deleted and can be refounded under the raiders' control.
Operation: Purple Hammer
We will be cooperating with another region to raid a classified location. Send me a TG if you want to sign up for the raid of a region codenamed 'Black Swan'!
On Chatzy.
I have a statement to make about the Libertarian Party:
I have no idea who is and who isn't a member of the party. There has never been a real registry of members. This is very problematic. The laws I wrote for the party long ago are bad, so I am going to put them out of effect. If any member of the party has an objection to make to that, please do so. Furthermore, I ask all members to send me a telegram confirming their membership so that I can make a concise member registry.
Folks of the DRP send me a telegram too so I can see who's in the party as well.
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I invite you all to come check out the renovated DRP and our new banner at it's factbook which you can find in my factbook listings.
Hooray! The REAGAN Treaty has been signed by the Federal Islands! :D
Now all that's left is to push it officially through this region (although what I gather is that most of you support it), which I'll get to later today, and to recruit three other signatory regions.
For more information about the REAGAN Treaty, check it out in my factbooks.
We can't let our region slip into decay. Not three weeks ago we had 91 nations! True, that was due to a bizarre bunch of Afghan communists, but it gave us a taste of what a bigger, more active region could be like. I thought I could single-handedly bolster the numbers of this region. I was wrong. We need as many nations as possible recruiting from all feeder regions. I also recommend you buy 'Postmaster-General' from the NationStates Store, giving you 500 TG stamps so you can send out Mass Telegrams.
Also, I'm on Chatzy.
Listen folks you can get on the RMB and chat away if you like at talk about "what we need to do" but people like myself are tired of this so on monday I will create a bill to allow the creation of a Manager of Recruitment so we can actually get something done instead of talking.
i tried to ask about that but i got told we shouldnt so i will be supporting that bill
I will support this bill if it also merges the position of Internal Affairs Manager with Chairman of the Board. We don't need an expansion of government if there's already a part of it that serves no real purpose.
Aside from the judicial power of the Board Chairman, the responsibilities of the MoIF and the CoB are basically identical, in theory and in practice. Condealism is the legislative leader of the region, often authoring bills that pass and improve the region, so if Internal Affairs was removed he'd exercise basically the same powers as Chairman of the Board.
I would like to join the RLP, who do I go to
I oppose the creation of a new Manager position. We need less government, not more.
However, if the responsibility of recruitment could be assigned to the Chairman position...
You can oppose it officially come voting time but I will not see this merged with any position because I believe everyone in a position right now has to much power.
That would be me or Idealism, [nation=short]Northern Prussia[/nation]. Fun fact: we're the largest and fastest-growing political party in Libertatem since the party system was privatised!
I would support the creation of a Recruitment Manager, but they'd need to be really committed to their job. They should possess Postmaster-General and they should recruit every day in several different regions. And before this year is out, Libertatem should reach a population of 100 nations.
But ISA, there's virtually no difference between Chairman of the Board and Manager of Internal Affairs. They may as well be merged to streamline the governmental process and for efficiency.
No! I don't want to see more power going to CI. This is why I support democracy is to take away power from you old fossils who have been in power for to long.
...In rare cases Australia may commit the ADF to the relief of oppression in another country, subject to authorisation by a prior vote comprising at least two-thirds majorities in both houses of federal parliament. - Australian Liberal Democratic Party policy platform.
Now this is why I love Australia's equivalent to the Libertarian Party. It's not full of 'legalise hard drugs; abolish all welfare now' crazies in America, but proposes realistic minarchist solutions to problems while taking a nice foreign policy position. Basically, it's the moderate libertarian party that I've been looking for. ^_^
ISA, the only real extra power he'd be getting would be higher judicial authority.
There are several reasons us 'old fossils' have held onto power so long. First and foremost, the summer diminished our numbers and decreased activity. While before there were for example two choices for the Military Affairs Manager, there's now only one. In the past, many people once competed for the title of Delegate, but now nobody challenges Snabagag.
Another reason for this is that those of us who've stuck around have developed quite a strong bond with the region, and an unshakeable trust with its people. Your efforts at democratising this region are admirable, a venture I once took up to a degree shortly after my arrival. But the present conditions of the region make some of your ideas futile, frankly. You worry of the Delegate gaining too much power and staging a coup, but even if that did happen we're empowered to simply withdraw our endorsements and elect someone else, assuming that Liberosia hadn't stepped in beforehand. This region is more like a community, or a small town, than a large, vibrant region. If we were larger, then your ideas would be much more relevant. Don't get me wrong, they're very good ideas, but you want to apply them to the wrong context.
I think your just trying to demote my cause because you know I threaten your power. I'll have you know that I will institute democracy into this region and allow the people to have the power instead of you moss-covered fossils.
For once I agree with ISA...at least partially. I ain't about to take on any more responsibilities.
The primary difference between me and the Chairman is that the Chairman represents the Board, while I attend to the region. The positions are quite different, and I got rid of recruitment powers in my job for a reason. We need to diminish the size of the government, not only because big government is wrong but also because there aren't enough people to fill the slots.
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What was that Prussia? I have dual citizenship here and Libertatem Pub which I own, I am still a contributing member to society here. So any news?
You should move a puppet here and have Snabagag re-assign that puppet to the position.
yes when do we vote on idealisms bill?
Yeah, I'd like to get the PROCESS Amendment vote started.
who do we send votes to btw?
Well, Snabagag (or Liberosia) needs to update the WFE and start the vote first.
ah ok
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