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OK guys, I did it. I put on some people on the map.

http://prntscr.com/8alonu

Made by me using MS Paint :P

Ok, let's see what you could have done to improve that...

1) Actually ask people where they want to be

2) Color the map instead of just having words and lines that act as labels

3) Don't continually ignore the fact that we have a pre-established map that is more than likely going to be the definitive map of Libertatem just because it was here first.

Kings Island, Condealism, Austex, Brasil The Hueland

Miencraft wrote:Ok, let's see what you could have done to improve that...

1) Actually ask people where they want to be

2) Color the map instead of just having words and lines that act as labels

3) Don't continually ignore the fact that we have a pre-established map that is more than likely going to be the definitive map of Libertatem just because it was here first.

Ok. But this will be more of a War-Only map.

Brasil The Hueland wrote:Ok. But this will be more of a War-Only map.

The first two points still apply.

Guys in your opinion, what's the most libertarian religion?

Miencraft wrote:The first two points still apply.

I know. Here's a preview. (Yes I didn't ask people, I just took the second point to see if that's what you're talking about. I'll ask people about it if you think it's ok)

http://prntscr.com/8alw0y

The Aradites wrote:Guys in your opinion, what's the most libertarian religion?

Ours? I don't look up regions. I only chill out on mine.

The Aradites wrote:Guys in your opinion, what's the most libertarian religion?

Mormonism

The New United States wrote:Mormonism

I saw you mention something like this before, could you explain how so? It would interest me.

Brasil The Hueland

The Aradites wrote:I saw you mention something like this before, could you explain how so? It would interest me.

I endorse that!

Miencraft wrote:The first two points still apply.

http://prntscr.com/8alw0y - Preview. Didn't ask people, because this is only be an example.

Brasil The Hueland wrote:http://prntscr.com/8alw0y - Preview. Didn't ask people, because this is only be an example.

Well, it's well-made, that's for sure.

Will it be a viable replacement for my map (don't care that yours is specifically for RP; mine technically is as well (fun fact: it started out as an RP map), but we haven't done anything with it for a while)? That remains to be seen.

Brasil The Hueland

If you're making a new map, my only demand is this: All of Africa.

Brasil The Hueland

Miencraft wrote:Well, it's well-made, that's for sure.

Will it be a viable replacement for my map (don't care that yours is specifically for RP; mine technically is as well (fun fact: it started out as an RP map), but we haven't done anything with it for a while)? That remains to be seen.

It depends on wheter yours is realistic "Ultra Politics" or "War-only" like mine. Anyways, you wanna join? Where you want to be in?

Condealism wrote:If you're making a new map, my only demand is this: All of Africa.

Ok, sure!

Well, that was easy.

The Aradites wrote:Guys in your opinion, what's the most libertarian religion?

The lack thereof.

Miencraft, Rateria

Brasil The Hueland wrote:It depends on wheter yours is realistic "Ultra Politics" or "War-only" like mine. Anyways, you wanna join? Where you want to be in?

Depends on what kind of RP is happening. I'll decide if I want to join once I know the setup.

Miencraft wrote:Depends on what kind of RP is happening. I'll decide if I want to join once I know the setup.

Setup. You firstly choose either: Territory of Military Power. (e.g Mine would be balanced, since Brazil isn't that big)

Condealism is simply screwed.

Then, I'll set up your economy according to Trend.

You create factbooks of your military.

You can buy stuff from other RPing nations if they are selling it.

RP board is here too. (Make sure to put (WarMapRP) before speaking, if you speak in RP.

Well, any other questions contact me by Message Board.

Condealism wrote:Well, that was easy.

You are simply screwed, cuz your military power will have to be low :P since you chose so much territory.

That seems a bit silly, I'll stay out of this one.

Oh, and this RMB is generally not the best place to carry out RP. I recommend the forums instead.

Seeing as the presidential election is over, could whoever controls the party page please remove the last two sentences of POG's description, and insert the following;

"The Party for Open Governance is the largest and most influential opposition party in Libertatem, controlling several house seats as well as the Interior Department. Currently, POG is advocating far-reaching governmental reform through the creation of a Speaker of the House as well as the tightening of membership requirements, to ensure an active chamber."

On a related note, I would like to thank the former interior minister, Miencraft for his dedicated public service, and to congratulate Humpheria on his victory.

I would further like to announce that I am in the process if drafting a house reform ammendment. Thus far, it would allow the house to elect a speaker (who would act as a representative and receive a board vote as well as a house vote), and to require that citizens wait one month before seeking membership.

These reforms are designed to strengthen the power of the lower branch of government. I welcome all comments or suggestions.

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, Austex, Brasil The Hueland

Condealism wrote:If you're making a new map, my only demand is this: All of Africa.

Write a factbook about your military power.

Kings Island wrote:Seeing as the presidential election is over, could whoever controls the party page please remove the last two sentences of POG's description, and insert the following;

"The Party for Open Governance is the largest and most influential opposition party in Libertatem, controlling several house seats as well as the Interior Department. Currently, POG is advocating far-reaching governmental reform through the creation of a Speaker of the House as well as the tightening of membership requirements, to ensure an active chamber."

On a related note, I would like to thank the former interior minister, Miencraft for his dedicated public service, and to congratulate Humpheria on his victory.

I would further like to announce that I am in the process if drafting a house reform ammendment. Thus far, it would allow the house to elect a speaker (who would act as a representative and receive a board vote as well as a house vote), and to require that citizens wait one month before seeking membership.

These reforms are designed to strengthen the power of the lower branch of government. I welcome all comments or suggestions.

One month before being in the house? Being able to "jump right into" our government was a huge selling point when I started my recruiting campaign. Just food for thought.

Miencraft, Austex

Brasil The Hueland wrote:Write a factbook about your military power.

I believe I established my military might almost 2 years ago.

Muh Roads wrote:Suddenly the sweet aroma of blueberry pie fills President Thane's nostrils. "Troubles afoot" he thinks to himself. President thane then proceeded to run into his office and open his desk drawer. Inside lay a small metal box locked tight with a 13 digit dial lock. "1-5-7-3--12, and walah! Here it is.". Inside the box lay an even smaller remote control with a single red flashing button. President Thane then equipped his battle helmet of ages with a +4 stamina perk and with a smirk said "hold your breath Muh Roads". The button on the remote was pressed and the entire nation of Muh Roads could hear the sound of 15,000 nuclear powered missiles launching into the sky. But these were no ordinary missiles, nay they were missiles attached to chains. Pulling the entire country of Muh Roads into space, where it will now orbit the earth and attack any troll who tries to be a better God modder. Oh, and did we mention we can breath is space? Because we totally can. -satire post no need to update the map lool-

Rateria

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Kings Island wrote:Seeing as the presidential election is over, could whoever controls the party page please remove the last two sentences of POG's description, and insert the following;

"The Party for Open Governance is the largest and most influential opposition party in Libertatem, controlling several house seats as well as the Interior Department. Currently, POG is advocating far-reaching governmental reform through the creation of a Speaker of the House as well as the tightening of membership requirements, to ensure an active chamber."

On a related note, I would like to thank the former interior minister, Miencraft for his dedicated public service, and to congratulate Humpheria on his victory.

I would further like to announce that I am in the process if drafting a house reform ammendment. Thus far, it would allow the house to elect a speaker (who would act as a representative and receive a board vote as well as a house vote), and to require that citizens wait one month before seeking membership.

These reforms are designed to strengthen the power of the lower branch of government. I welcome all comments or suggestions.

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Muh Roads wrote:One month before being in the house? Being able to "jump right into" our government was a huge selling point when I started my recruiting campaign. Just food for thought.
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I like the idea of the Speaker position, but I must disagree with harsher citizenship requirements. We don't need a wall Mr. Trump.

Congratulations Humpheria on yet again achieving presidency. I know you will do a fantastic job.

I had a great time as your president Libertatem, and while my presidency had its challenges, with your help we were able to overcome them. Under my presidency we have achieved a record breaking population, a stronger, more organized military, a more active RMB, and built ourselves up to be an even bigger threat to the left than the fascists. We've performed numerous military operations, mostly in the name of defense, and held onto CAPS despite the weak jab at us from the left (get it? Haha). We're a group that can overcome anything.

With Humpheria in office, I predict bigger and better things. Humpheria has made a name for himself in Libertatem, and is one of our most devoted citizens. He wears his colors with pride. Reminiscing over of past victories is now over, Humpheria will lead us into the future.

I thank you, Libertatem, for your dedication. Walk in stride, be proud, and most of all... Viva Libertatem!!

Miencraft, Tyrinth, Kings Island, Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria, Austex

I'd like to thank and congratulate Humpheria on his election win. Congratulate because his hard work throughout the campaign secured the best future for all citizens of Libertatem for the months to come. And thank because I can now revert back to my old flag, celebrating the marriage of Ghana to Tuvalu.

Humpheria

Wovenland wrote:And thank because I can now revert back to my old flag, celebrating the marriage of Ghana to Tuvalu.

You couldn't before??

Muh Roads wrote:You couldn't before??

I had to tow the party-li- I mean proudly support my party member with my flag throughout the campaign.

Muh Roads

Alright everyone, time for business. I have talked to Hallo and he has decided to retire following his RMB ban. I thank chairman Hallo for his long months of dedication. Manager of State Midland County is not active enough to respond so he is also off the ticket.

If you are interested in either VP or State, let me know before 8/31/2015.

And thanks guys!

Pevvania

Humpheria wrote:Alright everyone, time for business. I have talked to Hallo and he has decided to retire following his RMB ban. I thank chairman Hallo for his long months of dedication. Manager of State Midland County is not active enough to respond so he is also off the ticket.

If you are interested in either VP or State, let me know before 8/31/2015.

And thanks guys!

Congratulations Mr. President-Elect!

Can somebody tell me the current status of the Board so I can update its factbook?

This seems like a fun and intelligent region.

My nation is run by a conglomeration different corporations, under the banner of the Capitalus Corporation. Citizens are given as much personal freedom as possible, with only crimes such as murder, rape, theft etc remain illegal. A citizen must always give consent in order for an action to be taken upon them. The government only exists to provide a military and the military is only for defensive purposes. We are an entirely isolationist state, but we do welcome immigrants who pass a standardized test and criminal screening.

A large wall surrounds the nation and the poorest citizens can be found living in Mega-Blocks, massive skyscrapers run by individual corporations. If a citizen commits a crime, depending on the severity of the offense, are sent to work in camps to pay off their debt to society while more violent offenders are banished beyond the wall.

How to I get myself a spot on the map? Do I need to be active all the time?

Pevvania, Rateria

The Aradites wrote:I saw you mention something like this before, could you explain how so? It would interest me.

Canonized scripture recognizes that the United States Constitution was established of God, by choice spirits raised up to serve as instruments on doing so, so that man may live according to the dictates of his own conscience and not according to the dictates of unlimited government, that man may practice the agency given him. (Doctrine and Covenants 101:76-80) [My biggest qualm with Anarcho-Capitalism is that the Constitution was, indeed, established of God, as was the state - it is our duty to limit it to those roles given it of God, but overthrowing the state is simply usurping the law which God has given us - the Constitution]

Canonized scripture asserts man's right to life, liberty, property and the protection thereof, and defends the separation of church and state as necessary to ensure religious liberties and the free agency of man. (Doctrine and Covenants 134)

Prophet, Seer and Revelator Spencer W. Kimball condemned war and America's proclivity to take part in it as idolatry and the "fabrication of gods of stone and steel - ships, planes, missiles, fortification." (The False Gods We Worship, President Spencer W. Kimball)

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/06/the-false-gods-we-worship?lang=eng

Website with Latter-day Prophets' words on war and on American foreign policy: http://warlikepeople.com

Prophet, Seer and Revelator Ezra Taft Benson was a staunch defender of liberty and opponent of the idolatrous forces of statism. In his famous talk The Proper Role of Government, President Benson outlines the purpose of the state. In it, he asserts that the government exists to serve as a "defense against bodily harm, theft and involuntary servitude. It cannot claim the power to redistribute the wealth or force reluctant citizens to perform acts of charity against their will. Government is created by man. No man possesses such power to delegate. The creature cannot exceed the creator." Furthermore, he asserts that "God has endowed men with certain unalienable rights as set forth in the Declaration of Independence and that no legislature and no majority, however great, may morally limit or destroy these; that the sole function of government is to protect life, liberty, and property and anything more than this is usurpation and oppression." (The Proper Role of Government, Ezra Taft Benson)

http://www.latterdayconservative.com/ezra-taft-benson/the-proper-role-of-government/

(The website above, containing The Proper Role of Government, also has plenty of other resources regarding Mormonism and government)

Liberty is a recurring theme in the Book of Mormon, and throughout the other Latter-day scriptures. I could post some examples later, if you want.

The Aradites

Congratulations, Humpheria!

Vivat Libertas!

Pevvania wrote:Congratulations Mr. President-Elect!

Can somebody tell me the current status of the Board so I can update its factbook?

The Aradites took Midland's seat, and we need someone to replace Humpheria and Hallo (unless Hallo was just resigning as VP, and not from the Board as well).

Then we need to hold a Chairman election, after all that's done.

Capitalus Prime Corporation wrote:This seems like a fun and intelligent region.

My nation is run by a conglomeration different corporations, under the banner of the Capitalus Corporation. Citizens are given as much personal freedom as possible, with only crimes such as murder, rape, theft etc remain illegal. A citizen must always give consent in order for an action to be taken upon them. The government only exists to provide a military and the military is only for defensive purposes. We are an entirely isolationist state, but we do welcome immigrants who pass a standardized test and criminal screening.

A large wall surrounds the nation and the poorest citizens can be found living in Mega-Blocks, massive skyscrapers run by individual corporations. If a citizen commits a crime, depending on the severity of the offense, are sent to work in camps to pay off their debt to society while more violent offenders are banished beyond the wall.

How to I get myself a spot on the map? Do I need to be active all the time?

Welcome to Libertatem, Capitalus Prime! Not sure, you'll have to ask Miencraft.

[B]NOTICE:[/B] the Republic of Pevvania is selling the Free Territories of Southern Africa (FTSA) at the bargain price of its GDP value in the year 2020. In other words, I am selling them for $1.2 trillion 2020 USD, or 120 billion PEVCOINS. TG if you are interested.

OOC: Pevvania is currently in the year 2115.

The New United States wrote:The Aradites took Midland's seat, and we need someone to replace Humpheria and Hallo (unless Hallo was just resigning as VP, and not from the Board as well).

Then we need to hold a Chairman election, after all that's done.

Hallo was also leaving. Mien ran unopposed for my seat and I would like to recommend President Roads for Hallo's seat.

The New United States

The New United States wrote:The Aradites took Midland's seat, and we need someone to replace Humpheria and Hallo (unless Hallo was just resigning as VP, and not from the Board as well).

Then we need to hold a Chairman election, after all that's done.

Did Aradites take the seat in the August elections?

By the way, Pevvania's history is based on past Libertatem RPs. Most of it involving the Second Australian War came through a fairly short but intense region-wide RP that occurred around late 2013. The map in the factbook was created as a result of an alternate history RP that [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] devised, in which the goal was taking, holding and expanding territory. Today, Pevvania is led by President Jeffrey Tucker, descendent of the libertarian activist of the same name, who was elected in 2114 to a five-year term.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=161758

Pevvania wrote:Did Aradites take the seat in the August elections?

It was in an emergency election 23 days ago.

Muh Roads wrote:One month before being in the house? Being able to "jump right into" our government was a huge selling point when I started my recruiting campaign. Just food for thought.

It's designed to ensure that all house members are active. I appreciate the input.

(WarOnlyMap) Condealism, can I have Angola?

I'm a bit confused. Why do we need two maps?

Austex

The New United States wrote:Canonized scripture recognizes that the United States Constitution was established of God, by choice spirits raised up to serve as instruments on doing so, so that man may live according to the dictates of his own conscience and not according to the dictates of unlimited government, that man may practice the agency given him. (Doctrine and Covenants 101:76-80) [My biggest qualm with Anarcho-Capitalism is that the Constitution was, indeed, established of God, as was the state - it is our duty to limit it to those roles given it of God, but overthrowing the state is simply usurping the law which God has given us - the Constitution]

Canonized scripture asserts man's right to life, liberty, property and the protection thereof, and defends the separation of church and state as necessary to ensure religious liberties and the free agency of man. (Doctrine and Covenants 134)

Prophet, Seer and Revelator Spencer W. Kimball condemned war and America's proclivity to take part in it as idolatry and the "fabrication of gods of stone and steel - ships, planes, missiles, fortification." (The False Gods We Worship, President Spencer W. Kimball)

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/06/the-false-gods-we-worship?lang=eng

Website with Latter-day Prophets' words on war and on American foreign policy: http://warlikepeople.com

Prophet, Seer and Revelator Ezra Taft Benson was a staunch defender of liberty and opponent of the idolatrous forces of statism. In his famous talk The Proper Role of Government, President Benson outlines the purpose of the state. In it, he asserts that the government exists to serve as a "defense against bodily harm, theft and involuntary servitude. It cannot claim the power to redistribute the wealth or force reluctant citizens to perform acts of charity against their will. Government is created by man. No man possesses such power to delegate. The creature cannot exceed the creator." Furthermore, he asserts that "God has endowed men with certain unalienable rights as set forth in the Declaration of Independence and that no legislature and no majority, however great, may morally limit or destroy these; that the sole function of government is to protect life, liberty, and property and anything more than this is usurpation and oppression." (The Proper Role of Government, Ezra Taft Benson)

http://www.latterdayconservative.com/ezra-taft-benson/the-proper-role-of-government/

(The website above, containing The Proper Role of Government, also has plenty of other resources regarding Mormonism and government)

Liberty is a recurring theme in the Book of Mormon, and throughout the other Latter-day scriptures. I could post some examples later, if you want.

Thanks and I would like to see some examples. If you want you could just telegram them to me instead posting them on the RMB.

The New United States

Tyrinth wrote:I'm a bit confused. Why do we need two maps?

This map is independent from the other one.

Brasil The Hueland wrote:This map is independent from the other one.

But for what purpose?

Capitalus Prime Corporation wrote:How to I get myself a spot on the map? Do I need to be active all the time?

All the information you need is on the map page.

To summarize, though, no; you need only be a citizen, but if you leave or let your nation cease to be you are removed from the map until you return.

Tyrinth wrote:But for what purpose?

^_^ I just wanted to make a War Only map like mine.

Watched Straight Outta Compton the other night. As a big N.W.A. fan, I really liked the film. It told the story of N.W.A. - and the origins of West Coast Rap in general - very well.

N.W.A. were fighters for liberty that helped shine a light on police brutality against African-Americans and the culture of fear they lived under, and also strengthened the First Amendment significantly by breaking down the stigma of performing profane song lyrics. Thanks to Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Dr. Dre and the rest, artists can say practically whatever they like on stage under the protection of free speech, a far cry from when the members of N.W.A. were arrested during a concert in Detroit in 1989 for performing 'F--k tha Police'.

Right-Winged Nation, Muh Roads, Austex, Brasil The Hueland

Pevvania wrote:Watched Straight Outta Compton the other night. As a big N.W.A. fan, I really liked the film. It told the story of N.W.A. - and the origins of West Coast Rap in general - very well.

N.W.A. were fighters for liberty that helped shine a light on police brutality against African-Americans and the culture of fear they lived under, and also strengthened the First Amendment significantly by breaking down the stigma of performing profane song lyrics. Thanks to Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Dr. Dre and the rest, artists can say practically whatever they like on stage under the protection of free speech, a far cry from when the members of N.W.A. were arrested during a concert in Detroit in 1989 for performing 'F--k tha Police'.

I've been a fan since as far back as I can remember. I loved the movie, almost cried at the end.

Right-Winged Nation

Pevvania wrote:Watched Straight Outta Compton the other night. As a big N.W.A. fan, I really liked the film. It told the story of N.W.A. - and the origins of West Coast Rap in general - very well.

N.W.A. were fighters for liberty that helped shine a light on police brutality against African-Americans and the culture of fear they lived under, and also strengthened the First Amendment significantly by breaking down the stigma of performing profane song lyrics. Thanks to Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Dr. Dre and the rest, artists can say practically whatever they like on stage under the protection of free speech, a far cry from when the members of N.W.A. were arrested during a concert in Detroit in 1989 for performing 'F--k tha Police'.

Yeah....songs about gang raping fourteen year old girls is really inspirational (this is sarcasm, by the way)!

Miencraft, The New United States

The Aradites wrote:Guys in your opinion, what's the most libertarian religion?

atheism

Whole Foods is a libertarian conspiracy funded by Monsantano to sell overpriced products to poor liberals (aka the working class)

-being liberal

Tyrinth, The New United States, Condealism, The Aradites

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Whole Foods is a libertarian conspiracy funded by Monsantano to sell overpriced products to poor liberals (aka the working class)

That's brilliant. If only it were true, that would be something to laugh about.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Whole Foods is a libertarian conspiracy funded by Monsantano to sell overpriced products to poor liberals (aka the working class)

-being liberal

I own stock in Monsanto. It's at $98 a share.

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:Yeah....songs about gang raping fourteen year old girls is really inspirational (this is sarcasm, by the way)!

What song does this happen in?

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:Yeah....songs about gang raping fourteen year old girls is really inspirational (this is sarcasm, by the way)!

Your point is noted, Dre admits he did a lot of things when he was younger that were effed up. But to say a person can't be a positive influence/role model because of a sordid past is a fallacy. No man (or woman) among us is perfect, and many well known positive figures throughout history have also known their share of vice.

All this hoopla about a map... anyone up for a rousing game of monopoly? The board could be the map! We can use a RNG for the dice rolls, and we'd have to set some time constraints for player turns, collecting rent, and what not. Just a thought.

Miencraft, Rateria

Post self-deleted by The Aradites.

Austex wrote:All this hoopla about a map... anyone up for a rousing game of monopoly? The board could be the map! We can use a RNG for the dice rolls, and we'd have to set some time constraints for player turns, collecting rent, and what not. Just a thought.

yes please, bring Monopoly and plus, how this is not obvious? RISK LIBERTATEM EDITION!

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Austex

The Aradites wrote:yes please, bring Monopoly and plus, how this is not obvious? RISK LIBERTATEM EDITION!

Yes. Please. I love RISK.

Miencraft, Rateria

The New United States wrote:Yes. Please. I love RISK.

Red: Red Fleet

Blue: REATO

Green: Fascists

Black: Raiders

Yellow: ???

The Aradites wrote:Red: Red Fleet

Blue: REATO

Green: Fascists

Black: Raiders

Yellow: ???

I'd say Yellow is DEN, Black is Third Rome and pals, and Green is, I dunno, the FRA or something.

Pink can be TCB or something.

Miencraft, The Aradites

Risk had occurred to me, but I figured Monopoly is the ultimate capitalist board game. Side note - Axis and Allies was also a really great WWII board game.

Austex wrote:Risk had occurred to me, but I figured Monopoly is the ultimate capitalist board game. Side note - Axis and Allies was also a really great WWII board game.

Monopoly is actually a better war game than Risk. It's a game of attrition, whoever gets bored last wins.

Tyrinth, Austex

Are we transferring today or tomorrow?

http://www.hngn.com/articles/124393/20150830/bernie-sanders-will-end-drone-program-elected-president.htm

Good ol' anti-war Bernie Sanders, supporting drone strikes

The New United States, Rateria

Muh Roads wrote:Are we transferring today or tomorrow?

Officially it happens tomorrow, but I will be unavailable all if tomorrow, so we are oathing on Wednesday.

Pevvania wrote:http://www.hngn.com/articles/124393/20150830/bernie-sanders-will-end-drone-program-elected-president.htm

Good ol' anti-war Bernie Sanders, supporting drone strikes

There's a horrible discrepancy between the title of that article and the URL.

The New United States

Austex wrote:Your point is noted, Dre admits he did a lot of things when he was younger that were effed up. But to say a person can't be a positive influence/role model because of a sordid past is a fallacy. No man (or woman) among us is perfect, and many well known positive figures throughout history have also known their share of vice.

There is no positive influence from this wretched noise. This is "music" performed by criminals containing lyrics that are obscene, misogynistic, racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic. They offer nothing positive. There is no enlightenment, beauty or any semblance of cultural advancement therein. The violence in this "music" encourages criminality and internecine gang warfare, causing misery among the very population that they profess to be supporting. These disgusting ogres and the soulless recording companies that purvey their filth have contributed to the vulgarization of culture, elevating and celebrating drug dealers, pimps and murderers to the delight of an ill-educated and increasingly oblivious population.

Kings Island, The New United States, Rateria

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:Yeah....songs about gang raping fourteen year old girls is really inspirational (this is sarcasm, by the way)!

What the hell are you talking about?

Pevvania wrote:What the hell are you talking about?

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/640-what-does-nwas-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nomination-say-about-us/

"N.W.A.'s second and final album, 1991’s Niggaz4life, contains scenes where members of the band: callously murder a prostitute then dump her body just before approaching a group of "b*tches" to woo for sex; sodomize a groupie with a broomstick; grudge-f*ck a crack-addicted prostitute who rejected MC Ren in high school ("the b*tch makes me sick," Ren reasons, "but I hear that she sucks a good d*ck"); coerce various women into prostitution; and then kill them when they short their upstart pimps on payment. In one such case, Dr. Dre describes tying one woman to a bed and killing her—but not before allowing his "niggaz" to gang rape her first. Finally, in perhaps the most controversial verse of all, five men have sex in the back of a car with the "neighborhood ho," who also happens to be 14 years old and the daughter of a preacher. MC Ren delights in telling the audience that, as the sixth man to join in, he can't even see the girl's face, just "the p*ssy and the chest."

Kings Island

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/640-what-does-nwas-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nomination-say-about-us/

"N.W.A.'s second and final album, 1991’s Niggaz4life, contains scenes where members of the band: callously murder a prostitute then dump her body just before approaching a group of "b*tches" to woo for sex; sodomize a groupie with a broomstick; grudge-f*ck a crack-addicted prostitute who rejected MC Ren in high school ("the b*tch makes me sick," Ren reasons, "but I hear that she sucks a good d*ck"); coerce various women into prostitution; and then kill them when they short their upstart pimps on payment. In one such case, Dr. Dre describes tying one woman to a bed and killing her—but not before allowing his "niggaz" to gang rape her first. Finally, in perhaps the most controversial verse of all, five men have sex in the back of a car with the "neighborhood ho," who also happens to be 14 years old and the daughter of a preacher. MC Ren delights in telling the audience that, as the sixth man to join in, he can't even see the girl's face, just "the p*ssy and the chest."

None of that surprises me, because N---az4life is an utterly awful album. NWA was a great band up until Ice Cube left. After that they just manufactured tripe.

Pevvania wrote:None of that surprises me, because N---az4life is an utterly awful album. NWA was a great band up until Ice Cube left. After that they just manufactured tripe.

They were never great. They were ghastly. It is all so much filth....utter filth.

The New United States

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:They were never great. They were ghastly. It is all so much filth....utter filth.

It was all about pushing the sensors. No one said life in the ghetto is glamorous.

Pevvania, Austex

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:There is no positive influence from this wretched noise. This is "music" performed by criminals containing lyrics that are obscene, misogynistic, racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic. They offer nothing positive. There is no enlightenment, beauty or any semblance of cultural advancement therein. The violence in this "music" encourages criminality and internecine gang warfare, causing misery among the very population that they profess to be supporting. These disgusting ogres and the soulless recording companies that purvey their filth have contributed to the vulgarization of culture, elevating and celebrating drug dealers, pimps and murderers to the delight of an ill-educated and increasingly oblivious population.

You're okay by me, friend.

It's sad that people gobble up this pornographic, hateful, violent trash. There is nothing corrupting our youth and degenerating our society more than modern "art."

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:They were never great. They were ghastly. It is all so much filth....utter filth.

Have you ever listened to their debut album, Straight Outta Compton? In the words of one of the record label heads involved with them, I don't know anything about hip-hop, but NWA is special. Clever, edgy lyrics and a raw beat make a good song.

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:They were never great. They were ghastly. It is all so much filth....utter filth.

And they never actually wanted anyone to commit violence over their songs. In fact, if anything the purpose of their songs was to discourage violence, and highlight the struggles of inner city life, police abuse and racism. The violent lyrics were included to tie in with the gangsta theme and to bring attention to the themes.

Miencraft, Austex

The New United States wrote:There is nothing corrupting our youth and degenerating our society more than modern "art."

I beg to differ... though it is a significant factor.

There are worse things to expose our children to, especially if exposure to those things is mandatory.

Miencraft

If hip-hop causes criminal activity, why have all types of crimes been falling all across the United States since the early 90s?

Pevvania wrote:If hip-hop causes criminal activity, why have all types of crimes been falling all across the United States since the early 90s?

I attribute the fall of crime to the court's decision in Roe V. Wade. The crime drop occurred 20 years after the legalization of abortion, which prevented unwanted pregnancies and poor/abusive/neglectful parenting.

Rateria

Kings Island wrote:I attribute the fall of crime to the court's decision in Roe V. Wade. The crime drop occurred 20 years after the legalization of abortion, which prevented unwanted pregnancies and poor/abusive/neglectful parenting.

Oh. Crime rates went down because we instituted legalized murder. Got it.

The New United States wrote:Oh. Crime rates went down because we instituted legalized murder. Got it.

Hey, fascism isn't all disadvantages.

It's just mostly disadvantages.

Miencraft, The New United States, The Victorium Republic

Kings Island wrote:I attribute the fall of crime to the court's decision in Roe V. Wade. The crime drop occurred 20 years after the legalization of abortion, which prevented unwanted pregnancies and poor/abusive/neglectful parenting.

This is almost impossible to prove. I believe it was the legalisation of concealed carry and overall relaxation of gun laws that played a bigger role in bringing down crime.

Miencraft, Tyrinth, The New United States, Rateria, Condealism, The Victorium Republic

The New United States wrote:Oh. Crime rates went down because we instituted legalized murder. Got it.

Something which isn't viable and can't think isn't alive. Fetuses are not alive, and do not have rights. The women who are carrying them, however, have rights.

Pevvania wrote:This is almost impossible to prove. I believe it was the legalisation of concealed carry and overall relaxation of gun laws that played a bigger role in bringing down crime.

Huh, I didn't consider that. Makes sense though.

Condealism wrote:Hey, fascism isn't all disadvantages.

It's just mostly disadvantages.

Do you really have to call me a fascist? Really? Plenty of libertarians support the bodily autonomy and rights of women.

Pevvania

Kings Island wrote:Something which isn't viable and can't think isn't alive. Fetuses are not alive, and do not have rights. The women who are carrying them, however, have rights.

Sorry, but your definition of "alive" is biologically incorrect. :/

Condealism

Ransomed Individuals wrote:Sorry, but your definition of "alive" is biologically incorrect. :/

An organism without the ability to exist independent of another is not alive.

Regardless, a fetus cannot think or feel pain until a certain stage of development. Even if you were to say they are "alive"(they're objects but I digress) they have approximately the rights of a fly, which is to say none.

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Yeah when ice cube left things were awful, but straight outta compton was a good album and they pushed the censors

Kings Island wrote:An organism without the ability to exist independent of another is not alive.

Regardless, a fetus cannot think or feel pain until a certain stage of development. Even if you were to say they are "alive"(they're objects but I digress) they have approximately the rights of a fly, which is to say none.

Actually, from the moment of conception a fetus has its own DNA and is a functioning organism, making it a separate person. Even if it weren't a living person, which it is , then you are denying it a chance to live. It is like taking a baby out of the womb and then killing it. It has no chance to live, and thus you are condemning a whole class of people. Whether it is alive or not, which it is because it is constantly progressing and it has its own DNA and therefore is human and alive (only living humans can develop like that). Whether they have rights or not, which they do, it doesn't make it right to take away a life.

The New United States, Condealism

Kings Island wrote:An organism without the ability to exist independent of another is not alive.

Regardless, a fetus cannot think or feel pain until a certain stage of development. Even if you were to say they are "alive"(they're objects but I digress) they have approximately the rights of a fly, which is to say none.

I'm personally fine with abortion but can a baby of 1 year exist independent of another? They too are incapable so why shouldn't they be 'abortionable' as it were.

Pevvania wrote:This is almost impossible to prove. I believe it was the legalisation of concealed carry and overall relaxation of gun laws that played a bigger role in bringing down crime.

This one is also incorrect.

First off, gun laws have been tightened (Brady Bill, new regulation, etc.)

Second off, while guns don't kill people, it makes it a lot easier for people to kill people. Should we really let the mentally ill get guns? Look at the tragedies and Sandy Hook, the movie shootings, etc. While I do think that people should be allowed to own guns, we should use some common sense

Rateria

Kings Island wrote:An organism without the ability to exist independent of another is not alive.

Really? So organisms that engage in symbiotic relationships - particularly if they can't survive otherwise - aren't actually alive?

That's a lot of non-living organisms we're surrounded by, then.

The New United States

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