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The States Of Balloon wrote:It's only 4%

4% that we know about.

Jadentopian Order

The States Of Balloon wrote:It's only 4%

Venomringo wrote:4% that we know about.

What he said, and also that's not including everyone who is allowing this to happen by covering up and/or ignoring it

Red flag laws are the beginning of gun confiscations. It's the first time the government has had the audacity to actually take law-abiding American's guns away.

Narland, The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

Trump, "Racism... bad. White supremacism.. bad. Unity... good"

TDS Sufferers (in unison), "TRUMP IS RACIST!!!"

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria, Stiltusgibberum

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I had high expectations after viewing the traiters...

After watching the documentary, I was ashamed to find that my expectations were too low. Johnny Royal's Illuminated: The True Story of the Illumimati is a great documentary, factually solid and aesthetically pleasing. The music, visuals, and narration are superb. If you're interested in secret societies, the history of the Enlightenment, or (and especially) if you wish to know the truth about history's most infamous association—check it out.

Interesting. My expectations were too high. If one does not know anything about them, it is a decent intro. You may find this humorous -- an uncle of mine once said, "llluminati by its name isn't lllumnati, but Illumnati by any other name just may be."

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

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At what point is revolution nessisary or morally justified?

Strict adherents to the NAP have suggested any violation of it warrents a revolution.

I have a different view; considering the erosion of our liberties comes via legislation, and that anything legislated into being can hypothetically be legislated back out of being; that means that revolution is only nessisary and proper given such time that our democratic freedoms are rendered either entirely ineffective, or outright banned.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:At what point is revolution nessisary or morally justified?

Strict adherents to the NAP have suggested any violation of it warrents a revolution.

I have a different view; considering the erosion of our liberties comes via legislation, and that anything legislated into being can hypothetically be legislated back out of being; that means that revolution is only nessisary and proper given such time that our democratic freedoms are rendered either entirely ineffective, or outright banned.

Ah a question for me.

1.) When your government fails to respect human rights.

2.) When your government restricts natural rights.

3.) When your government starts to kill, dehumanize, or enslave its own people.

Any of these and I would say the government deserves to be overthrown. The second a government begins to betray and abuse the people it swore to protect, it should be overthrown and destroyed.

Rateria, Venomringo

Jadentopian Order wrote:Ah a question for me.

1.) When your government fails to respect human rights.

2.) When your government restricts natural rights.

3.) When your government starts to kill, dehumanize, or enslave its own people.

Any of these and I would say the government deserves to be overthrown. The second a government begins to betray and abuse the people it swore to protect, it should be overthrown and destroyed.

I would argue that human rights are so broadly interpreted now that some of them inherently violate natural rights, and in that case I would air on the side of natural rights.

For example: I believe that medical care is now a human rights, but that inherently violates a doctor's natural right to refuse service, basically making his exercising his right to not associate with someone a violation of their right to receive medical care.

I would also say that the second point is a bit extreme. Seatbelt laws violate natural rights, surely you wouldn't justify all the bloodshed of a revolution for seatbelt laws?

The third point I largely agree with, but the only point of contention I have is that "dehumanization" can, and has been broadly interpreted to suit the narrative of whoever is making the claim.

For example: calling everyone right of center either a Russian bot, a Nazi, or a troll dehumanizes them, and calling everyone left of center a Communist SJW Libtard dehumanizes them.

Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order

Skaveria wrote:I would argue that human rights are so broadly interpreted now that some of them inherently violate natural rights, and in that case I would air on the side of natural rights.

For example: I believe that medical care is now a human rights, but that inherently violates a doctor's natural right to refuse service, basically making his exercising his right to not associate with someone a violation of their right to receive medical care.

I would also say that the second point is a bit extreme. Seatbelt laws violate natural rights, surely you wouldn't justify all the bloodshed of a revolution for seatbelt laws?

The third point I largely agree with, but the only point of contention I have is that "dehumanization" can, and has been broadly interpreted to suit the narrative of whoever is making the claim.

For example: calling everyone right of center either a Russian bot, a Nazi, or a troll dehumanizes them, and calling everyone left of center a Communist SJW Libtard dehumanizes them.

I don't disagree at all, and I think there does have to be a balance between the two. I made them broad because at the end of the day everyone is going to interpret natural and human rights differently and have their own view of when a government should be overthrown. I wouldn't say that people should be engaging in violence over seatbelt laws, but I think a continued trend of restricting natural rights is, if that makes sense

As for last part I think I would be a little concerned to know that my government has called me a libtard or a russian bot ahaha. No but seriously, if the government is calling certain groups names and delegitimizing their humanity, that's a huge red flag anyways. If an individual calls me a nazi or a libtard, it's whatever, they have the right to call me whatever they want, but if the government makes an announcement that I am a libtard or nazi, it's concerning. I don't think the government has any right to discriminate on race, ideology, sexuality, etc.

Rateria, Venomringo, Skaveria

On the topic of trans and trans rights:

I accept the liberal mantra that gender is a social construct (much like everything), but at the same time I think biological forces sort of influenced the creation of this construct. The masculine brain tends to be found in males and the feminine brain in females, but this is not a strict categorization, and overlap is possible. Regardless of what is reality I think people should accept other people as individuals first.

What say you Libertatem?

Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order

Republic Of Minerva wrote:On the topic of trans and trans rights:

I accept the liberal mantra that gender is a social construct (much like everything), but at the same time I think biological forces sort of influenced the creation of this construct. The masculine brain tends to be found in males and the feminine brain in females, but this is not a strict categorization, and overlap is possible. Regardless of what is reality I think people should accept other people as individuals first.

What say you Libertatem?

I agree; liberals are right when they say that many of these things are socially constructed, but they fail to go one step further and recognize that the social constructs themselves were constructed around biological truths.

Our ancestors were fighting just to live; they didn't have time to make arbitrary rules. They had to use all the resources available to them as efficiently as possible; that includes human resources.

They probably noticed that men were typically stronger and faster, which made them better hunters, so that led to the social construct of men going out into the world to work.

Obviously it's not always true, but undermining the construct completely and calling it completely invalid is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Republic Of Minerva wrote:On the topic of trans and trans rights:

I accept the liberal mantra that gender is a social construct (much like everything), but at the same time I think biological forces sort of influenced the creation of this construct. The masculine brain tends to be found in males and the feminine brain in females, but this is not a strict categorization, and overlap is possible. Regardless of what is reality I think people should accept other people as individuals first.

What say you Libertatem?

A lot of people take the most surface level argument they can find on this and then decide "anyone who says that is an sjw libtard". When people say that gender is a social construct or that there's more than two genders they aren't denying the existence of biological sex, in fact most would tell you that they separate sex and gender. I don't think it's a very hard concept to grasp that there are men who identify as more feminine, and women who identify as masculine. People don't want to fit into the typical roles that they are expected to, and it's all cool with me. The stereotypical gender roles can even be harmful.

I will say that I've seen a lot more people accept this, and it's nice to see that. However, trans rights still have a long way to go, especially in non western nations.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:A lot of people take the most surface level argument they can find on this and then decide "anyone who says that is an sjw libtard". When people say that gender is a social construct or that there's more than two genders they aren't denying the existence of biological sex, in fact most would tell you that they separate sex and gender. I don't think it's a very hard concept to grasp that there are men who identify as more feminine, and women who identify as masculine. People don't want to fit into the typical roles that they are expected to, and it's all cool with me. The stereotypical gender roles can even be harmful.

I will say that I've seen a lot more people accept this, and it's nice to see that. However, trans rights still have a long way to go, especially in non western nations.

I don't particularly mind the whole non-binary thing, it's just the attitude of some of it's members that irritate me.

Firstly, I don't understand why everything has to have a name. If gender is on a continuous line, just make one end represent the hyper-masculine and the other the hyper-feminine, draw a line down the middle and if you're on the masculine side you're a dude, if you're more towards the middle you're just a feminine dude, same thing conversely on the feminine side. You don't have to give a specific name and identity to each and every point on the line, it's tedious, unnessisary, and bordering on ridiculous.

I also have a sense that the non-binary folks have co-opted the trans movement from mtf and ftm trans people, they've dilluted the meaning of being trans to the point where it borders on a fashion or political statement.

I don't think they'd ever admit it, but it seems to me that being "non-binary" is a lot closer to being say, a goth or a punk, than it is an actual minority. They all kinda dress the same, they watch the same shows, listen to similar music and have the same jargon. People can belong to a sub-culture if they want, that's fine, but don't go around pretending it's an actual oppressed minority group.

Miencraft

guess my nation is anarchist now

The New United States

Skaveria wrote:At what point is revolution necessary or morally justified?

Strict adherents to the NAP have suggested any violation of it warrants a revolution.

I have a different view; considering the erosion of our liberties comes via legislation, and that anything legislated into being can hypothetically be legislated back out of being; that means that revolution is only necessary and proper given such time that our democratic freedoms are rendered either entirely ineffective, or outright banned.

In general people get the government they deserve. A morally responsible people who love liberty and equality deserve the peace and prosperity that naturally follows and need to be vigilant not to let its constitutional foundations erode. The sad truth is that most of the world is not taught to love liberty, nor respect equality. It seems that we no longer even teach our children to do so. Our own children are being raised by academia to be the barbarians at the gate.

When enough individuals in society:

1. openly disdain truth (truth is that which corresponds to reality despite one's wishes or feelings otherwise)

2. cease to practicing justice both internally (self-discipline) and externally (fairness to treat others with self-same expectations of fairness)

3. become hostile to and practice violence against the rights, privileges, and immunities of any one otherwise self-disciplined individual or group of individuals

that is the time to openly do everything in one's lawful power to reign in such barbarity before it becomes widespread savagery.

When the barbarous or the savage incite revolution (insurrection) against a mostly Lawful society, it is the responsibility of that society to protect itself by all lawful means necessary including civil discourse, notice of mixed war, and civil war (using words first in all cases, and arms only as a last resort). Should a lawful (and free society) fail to do so (eternal vigilance is the price of liberty) it is that generation's fault. Their children will curse them from their chains for their parent's failure to do due diligence in what was once a free country.

Martial resolve is the last option when reason has failed. One can reason with a barbarian by might of strength (and leverage fear of retribution that may for a time satiate their appetite for despotism), but savagery cannot be reasoned with either by dominion or might. It can only be excised.

When savagery masquerades as force of reason (lies for truth, inequity for justice, and violence for peace) giving one no recourse to be let alone to objectively practice truth, justice, or peace, that is the time to forcibly put down the usurpers of constitutional governance. But there has to be enough people in society who hold objectively to truth, justice, and peace or it will not be a righting of wrongs. It will be a massacre.

The New United States, Rateria

My law enforcement is well above the world average, yet I still have that line that says "police are struggling with a lack of funding." Is that measured by youth rebelliousness or something else?

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"Income tax is unheard of."

Here's why

I don't think it's the income tax. Other things don't work like that, I've been an anarchy several times despite having a huge army. I also have a large police force despite an income tax under 1%

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Skaveria wrote:My law enforcement is well above the world average, yet I still have that line that says "police are struggling with a lack of funding." Is that measured by youth rebelliousness or something else?

Here is the best explanation possible: NS Logic.

Rateria wrote:Here is the best explanation possible: NS Logic.

Apparently I got a banner for having a large corrupt government but in my nation description says I have a small corrupt government

Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:Apparently I got a banner for having a large corrupt government but in my nation description says I have a small corrupt government

The game is under the assumption that everyone has a normal, neoliberal, U.S/U.K kind of nation.

I still get issues about what to teach in public schools even though they've been abolished for at least a year.

The algorithm wants to give you as many issues as possible, and fair enough, but that inevitably leads to continuity errors like an anarchy with a monarch, or having a massive military with no income tax.

Rateria

JEFFERY EPSTEIN WAS MURDERED

Jadentopian Order wrote:JEFFERY EPSTEIN WAS MURDERED

Add him to the list of Clinton associates who checked out of life earlier than expected.

Miri Islands

Universal Studios "The Hunt" was pulled. It sounds like it would make a better 1st person shooter. At least Hollywood didn't try to do a remake of "The Most Dangerous Game."

Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-body-bags/

Lol. Maybe I should have put a big sarcasm emoji (if I had one) in the post. The unusually high mortality rate within the first degree of association is high enough to make an actuary raise an eyebrow. As an aside, Snopes has been caught too many times fudging and outright spinning for me to trust them. While the Clintons are as shady as they come, and I do not put murder past any Alinsky disciple, I doubt they had any direct influence in Epstein's death.

Narland wrote:Add him to the list of Clinton associates who checked out of life earlier than expected.

I'm sure Joe "suicided themselves" Rogan, will be all over this one.

Narland, Venomringo

Jadentopian Order wrote:JEFFERY EPSTEIN WAS MURDERED

Nope, it was an assisted involuntary suicide

Narland wrote:Add him to the list of Clinton associates who checked out of life earlier than expected.

Reminds me of the aide suspected of leaking DNC emails who got killed in a 'robbery gone wrong' but nothing was stolen.

Narland

New Poll in Zentari, come and vote!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=145891

Skaveria wrote:I'm sure Joe "suicided themselves" Rogan, will be all over this one.

"Jamie, play that video of the chimp again. Look how awesome that is. That thing is massive. Anyways, (Guest), you think they put one of those in the cell with Epstein?"

Miri Islands wrote:

Nope, it was an assisted involuntary suicide

Just happened to die at the most inconvenient time. That sucks, guess we can't find out who's all guilty of pedophilia. Nothing to see here civilian, move along.

Miri Islands wrote:Reminds me of the aide suspected of leaking DNC emails who got killed in a 'robbery gone wrong' but nothing was stolen.

And wasn't he killed by two bullets in the back of his head? I remember DNC bootlickers trying to justify that one so hard.

Narland, Miri Islands

So there were three shooters this past week, but the only one we're talking about is the Nazi one, the other two were literally an eco-terrorist and an antifa member.

Narland

Skaveria wrote:So there were three shooters this past week, but the only one we're talking about is the Nazi one, the other two were literally an eco-terrorist and an antifa member.

Haven’t heard about the eco terrorist, but the Nazi is the only one who explicitly stated that he was politically motivated (that we know of yet, anyways).

Skaveria wrote:So there were three shooters this past week, but the only one we're talking about is the Nazi one, the other two were literally an eco-terrorist and an antifa member.

Jadentopian Order wrote:Haven’t heard about the eco terrorist, but the Nazi is the only one who explicitly stated that he was politically motivated (that we know of yet, anyways).

It’s either the Gilroy or El Paso shooter who was an eco-fascist, or both. I can’t remember. What I do know is that the Christchurch shooter in New Zealand has some degree of influence on the first two shooters. I’ve heard that the Dayton shooter supported Elizabeth Warren and/or was associated with Antifa. I won’t speak to the validity of either claim, because I do not know. One of you might know more than I do.

Rateria wrote:It’s either the Gilroy or El Paso shooter who was an eco-fascist, or both. I can’t remember. What I do know is that the Christchurch shooter in New Zealand has some degree of influence on the first two shooters. I’ve heard that the Dayton shooter supported Elizabeth Warren and/or was associated with Antifa. I won’t speak to the validity of either claim, because I do not know. One of you might know more than I do.

I love how litterally in the Christchurch shooter's manifesto he said that his goal with the shooting was to get left-winger's to push gun control so that the right would rebel and cause a civil war, then what did they do? Literally what he wanted.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The El Paso shooter is (if his manifesto is to be believed), a muddled mix of Malthusian Extremist, Social Darwinism style Racist, confusing Anti-corporatism with Anticapitalism and a Silent Sprung Environmentalist. I cannot access the 8chan post, but iirc he agreed with the New Zealand shooter in general, and only with Trump on strong borders, not to protect order, but to stop "race" mixing. A sad victim of Socialism deluded into being bereft of hope in one of the easiest times to live in the known history of the world in the Anglosphere portion of Western Civilization at least.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

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Skaveria wrote:I love how litterally in the Christchurch shooter's manifesto he said that his goal with the shooting was to get left-winger's to push gun control so that the right would rebel and cause a civil war, then what did they do? Literally what he wanted.

I’ve thought about that too. Gun control supporters have played right into his hands. If there is a civil war within the near future, gun control will be a contributing factor. Many Republicans have started calling for Red Flag Laws, bans on “assault weapons”, and other legislation that is championed by the anti-gun voters and politicians. As much as I won’t be happy about it, I can see such laws passing in my lifetime. People have been talking about revolting if these laws pass, but I don’t expect large numbers of people to take up arms and fight our government. If any do, it will be a small number of people, most likely the more prepared individuals. As I’ve said before, I don’t expect these people to win for a multitude of reasons. This is just what I think on the matter. I hope that these infringements can be fought successfully and that a civil war that cannot be won doesn’t come, but I can’t predict the future.

Miencraft, Narland

Rateria wrote:I’ve thought about that too. Gun control supporters have played right into his hands. If there is a civil war within the near future, gun control will be a contributing factor. Many Republicans have started calling for Red Flag Laws, bans on “assault weapons”, and other legislation that is championed by the anti-gun voters and politicians. As much as I won’t be happy about it, I can see such laws passing in my lifetime. People have been talking about revolting if these laws pass, but I don’t expect large numbers of people to take up arms and fight our government. If any do, it will be a small number of people, most likely the more prepared individuals. As I’ve said before, I don’t expect these people to win for a multitude of reasons. This is just what I think on the matter. I hope that these infringements can be fought successfully and that a civil war that cannot be won doesn’t come, but I can’t predict the future.

The only reason Republicans are supporting red flag laws is because they get guilted into it by Democrats after every mass shooting. Less Democrats=less pressure and allows Republicans in swing districts to take more principled stances.

It's a common thought amongst Libertarians that both the major parties are basically the same. I've even heard them refer to both groups as "Demopublicans."

I think differently, and I'm probably biased because I have more sympathy for Nationalism than your average Libertarian, but Republicans are clearly the better option. There actually IS a lesser evil.

To use an analogy Bill Maher used about Christianity and Islam, Republicans are like Herpes, Democrats are like cancer. Ideally we don't want either, but given the choice, I'll take the Herpes.

Miencraft, Narland

Jadentopian Order wrote:JEFFERY EPSTEIN WAS MURDERED

nothing to see here

Narland

Pevvania wrote:nothing to see here

...move along, please...

Got a call from the "IRS" saying I owed several thousand dollars. I told the "officer" that in spite of his poor English skills and strong East Indian accent that it was okay because I get emails from a rich Nigerian prince all the time and I am sure we could work something out between the three of us. He continued on anyway so I strung him along for nearly 20 minutes before he got wise and hung up.

Me (in my most sarcastic voice), "Can I pay you in hot lead?"

Scammer (without a hesitation), "No, sir we need a current debit or credit card..." lol

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eighty-Eight

Narland wrote:...move along, please...

"these are not the droids you are looking for"

Narland, Rateria, Stiltusgibberum

The United States Of Patriots wrote:"these are not the droids you are looking for"

"Can I direct you to a customer service representative?"

Narland, Rateria

The official report came in and it was determined that he committed suicide. Naturally nobody believes this and even Epsteins lawyers are investigating this case

Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:The official report came in and it was determined that he committed suicide. Naturally nobody believes this and even Epsteins lawyers are investigating this case

This is seriously going to become the 21st century's version of the Kennedy assassinations as far as conspiracy theories go.

Rateria

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Plot twist: He really did just kill himself because he was looking down the barrel of dozens if not hundreds of pedophilia charges and would rather take himself out than be beaten or stabbed to death in prison.

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Does anyone remember that RP with our Libertatem nations when Dred took on pretty much everyone else actively involved? That was fun. Honestly, I’d like to do more of that. I’ve been thinking about doing more lore-related stuff based on my nation, especially militarily. Maybe we could do something like work out our world’s international military pacts down to arms standardization and such. I’m thinking we could do this in the form of international in-character summits or something like that.

Thoughts?

Rateria wrote:Does anyone remember that RP with our Libertatem nations when Dred took on pretty much everyone else actively involved? That was fun. Honestly, I’d like to do more of that. I’ve been thinking about doing more lore-related stuff based on my nation, especially militarily. Maybe we could do something like work out our world’s international military pacts down to arms standardization and such. I’m thinking we could do this in the form of international in-character summits or something like that.

Thoughts?

I could go for a little RP in Libertatem.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Plot twist: He really did just kill himself because he was looking down the barrel of dozens if not hundreds of pedophilia charges and would rather take himself out than be beaten or stabbed to death in prison.

Someone like Epstein had giri (i cant think af a good enough English concept = interactive obligation of status, money and power of/for/to his and their own -- other than "pull" in a poorly analogous English sense) to defer justice another 10 to 20 years (he was in his 70s) and the narcissism to think he could die of natural causes before the final gavel fell. Any person in power with predilection of same has no reasonable allowance for his life and at least one if not every reason for his demise especially should he dishonor them. As soon as he was sent to Riker's it was clear they were going to suicide him.

Narland wrote:Someone like Epstein had giri (i cant think af a good enough English concept = interactive obligation of status, money and power of/for/to his and their own -- other than "pull" in a poorly analogous English sense) to defer justice another 10 to 20 years (he was in his 70s) and the narcissism to think he could die of natural causes before the final gavel fell. Any person in power with predilection of same has no reasonable allowance for his life and at least one if not every reason for his demise especially should he dishonor them. As soon as he was sent to Riker's it was clear they were going to suicide him.

He was in his 70s? Wow, I thought he was like, 54 or 55? Ol dude was a creepy bastard, but damn did he age well.

Skaveria wrote:He was in his 70s? Wow, I thought he was like, 54 or 55? Ol dude was a creepy bastard, but damn did he age well.

My mistake, he was 66 (4 yrs shy) -- I tend to lump that group of early second gen/late first gen jet-setters of the "Me Generation" into their 70s. Billionaires tend to have access to better than average cosmetic surgeons, not to mention the luxury to afford free market medical care above and beyond those of us who are constrained to use only doctors confined to the retarded (proper sense of the term) development caused by the shackles of NHS or autocratic organizations like AMA.

Sad that protesters in Hong Kong are waving the American Flag while protesters in Portland were waving the Communist flag. Perhaps we could make a swap. Switch Hong-Kongers for Porlanders.

Rateria, Miri Islands

Let's get Trump to buy Hong Kong instead. Would be a great counterweight to the Chinese.

Narland, Rateria

Rateria wrote:Does anyone remember that RP with our Libertatem nations when Dred took on pretty much everyone else actively involved? That was fun. Honestly, I’d like to do more of that. I’ve been thinking about doing more lore-related stuff based on my nation, especially militarily. Maybe we could do something like work out our world’s international military pacts down to arms standardization and such. I’m thinking we could do this in the form of international in-character summits or something like that.

Thoughts?

HAIL DRED

rip

Rateria

Rateria wrote:Does anyone remember that RP with our Libertatem nations when Dred took on pretty much everyone else actively involved? That was fun. Honestly, I’d like to do more of that. I’ve been thinking about doing more lore-related stuff based on my nation, especially militarily. Maybe we could do something like work out our world’s international military pacts down to arms standardization and such. I’m thinking we could do this in the form of international in-character summits or something like that.

Thoughts?

I've never role played, but I'd be game

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:I've never role played, but I'd be game

I was about to ask if you were on Miencraft’s map, but saw that you’re on there. That’s what we used last time, but we haven’t done much since. It’s probably still considered “Libertatem Canon”, if such a thing exists. Regardless, I’d be happy if you decided to join us. Our RPing is generally held on Discord, so I would think that any future role play would take place on there.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:HAIL DRED

rip

I was looking for Mien’s map and I ran into this old gem:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901224

Good times. If we got a bunch of the veteran Libertatemites back together to roleplay, it could be fun. Having newer people would be great too.

Pevvania wrote:nothing to see here

Just an incontinent death is all

Rateria wrote:I was about to ask if you were on Miencraft’s map, but saw that you’re on there. That’s what we used last time, but we haven’t done much since. It’s probably still considered “Libertatem Canon”, if such a thing exists. Regardless, I’d be happy if you decided to join us. Our RPing is generally held on Discord, so I would think that any future role play would take place on there.

I was looking for Mien’s map and I ran into this old gem:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901224

Good times. If we got a bunch of the veteran Libertatemites back together to roleplay, it could be fun. Having newer people would be great too.

never mess with badass mcrussian

Rateria

Rateria wrote:Good times. If we got a bunch of the veteran Libertatemites back together to roleplay, it could be fun. Having newer people would be great too.

That was real fun up until nothing happened.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:That was real fun up until nothing happened.

It really was. If we could get another RP started, that could be fun. I just wonder if we have the numbers and the willingness. I’ll be going to college, so I probably won’t have a lot of time, but I’ll see what happens.

Tempus Fugit. Ruby Ridge Massacre started 27 years ago and lasted 2 weeks. Still, none of the perpetrators have been fined or jailed for their brutal deprivation of life under color of authority. Most were Establishment Bushites promoted within the FBI and DOJ. Many have risen in the ranks in a most heinous part of that Swamp that Trump needs to drain.

Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Wasn't a massacre.

A man's entire family was slaughtered.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Wasn't a massacre.

Yes, it was (a massacre).

They (the Statists in our midst draped in the color of authority) surrounded Weaver's place and shot a 13 year old kid in the back without warning (after they shot his dog), and proceeded to attempt to systematically kill all of Weaver's family and friend(s) present (including shooting his wife in the face while she was holding their infant son -- and then taunt him about it) in order to demoralize Weaver and use him as an object lesson reputedly in retaliation for refusing to act as an FBI informant and infiltrate a bunch of Neo-Nazi's that had moved up from West Hollywood, California.

While White Separatism is just as wrong-headed as any bigotry and prejudice based on skin color (Progressivist affirmative action and Neomarxist intersectionality included), anyone who wishes to live alone in peace and be let be, deserves to to be let alone. The face of fascistic evil demonstrated by both the Bush and Clinton administrations (and carried forth by the Fabian "Rational Administrative State" that has unconstitutionally arisen amongst us) cannot be reasoned with. It is deadly, dangerous, and unreasonable --not to mention subversive to the life, liberty and property of every American. The best thing the President (and hopefully Congress after 2020) can do is fire and prosecute every so-called civil servant who by misfeasance and malfeasance has abused our trust.

My grandfather used to quote his grandfather saying something to the effect, "the White race is a political fiction created by demagogues to control weak minds." I am trying to track down the exact quote and source. It is a summary of a paragraph or two long snippet. Usually (that Grandfather's quotes) are people like de Toqueville, or some (now obscure) Abolitionist or later Reconstructionist. WorldCat seems to be pretty poor at keeping the early GOP and pre-GOP Republican writers in their database. If anyone has an inkling please telegram me. Thanks.

Returning from a 2-month-long intermission, I discover that all my efforts have been completely trashed by a mob of scoundrels waving red flags. And where do I decide to stop by in my self-indulgent defeatism than this place, one of the regions I loathe the most, which is the very antithesis of all my ideals and makes me weep even looking at it. The only explanation: I truly am a glutton for punishment.

Welcome to the pity party, gentlemen. The wine is exquisitely sour.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/08/david-koch-obituary-billionaire-evil

The tens of millions of hapless workers starved by central planners are nothing compared to the evils the Koch brothers wrought upon local, public transportation efforts, comrades. Workers of the world, unite!

Tupolite wrote:I discover that all my efforts have been completely trashed by a mob of scoundrels waving red flags.

Many a man cries this from the grave.

RIP Tsar Nicholas II :'(

The New United States wrote:Many a man cries this from the grave.

RIP Tsar Nicholas II :'(

Oh hi, long time no see

The New United States

RIP David Koch. The Kochs (along with Kathryn and Joe Albertson) influenced my becoming a teenage card carrying member of the JBS despite Bob Dylan's John Birch Blues (which I still enjoy). The Koch's (not sure which ones) sponsored a group of us poorer farm/ranch kids to a relatively expensive Free Enterprise Summer camp one year back in the dark ages of the 70s. I tried to share my appreciation for that opportunity, but the hatefest is like trying to parry zergling swarms. Influential Billionaire David Koch Dies

Narland wrote:RIP David Koch. The Kochs (along with Kathryn Albertson) is a main reason I became a teenage card carrying member of the JBS despite Bob Dylan's John Birch Blues (which I still enjoy). The Koch's (not sure which ones) sponsored a group of us poorer farm/ranch kids to a relatively expensive Free Enterprise Summer camp one year back in the dark ages of the 70s. I tried to share my appreciation for that opportunity, but the hatefest is like trying to parry zergling swarms. Influential Billionaire David Koch Dies

The Kochs had a big influence in rural America especially after:

* LBJs disastrous war on poverty (which was really a war against the rural working poor especially targeting Conservatives to turn us from personal industry to impersonal prolery, not to mention those of us who refused to conform our businesses into the shilled creatures of the State desired by the Socialist incorporation laws shoved down our throats in the States earlier in the 50s to more uniformly enforce "payroll taxes" but really to make us political targets through IRS records);

* Nixon's OSHA and EPA reign of destruction; the Court's ruling in the late 70s that Communist Style Soviets (Planning Commissions as unchallenged arbiters of other people's property); and

* Carter's dismal Presidency that further contributed to the malaise (not to mention the Congress as the major facilitator with Wage and Price controls);

all of which contributed to the destitution of our rural industrial plants, factories, and production facilities into unproductive dilapidated facilities. In places like Detroit and Philadelphia the rot of government oppression seen from the abandoned factories was readily noticeable, but in parts of the country where there are only 3 people per square mile, a dilapidated fuel distillery, smelter plant, or packing plant that dot the landscape every 3rd section or so isn't as noticeable, but just as detrimental to our freedom, enterprise and welfare (real welfare (the ability to fare well for ourselves without the assistance of others), not the fake welfare promulgated by government Statists).

The Koch's optimism for liberty and industry and their help in encouraging rural enterprise during these dark times kept many of us from giving up and moving to the city to join artificially made Statist rat race. Their Libertarian bent made enemies on the authoritarian right (Romney/Bush/Rockefeller/ADM) who want a Corporate moderately Socialist America, and of course on the left who want an Bureaucrat fully Socialist America -- both of which are inherently Unamerican. But for those of our families who just wanted to keep our Ranches, Farms, Timber Mills, Mines and Smelters, Oil Wells and Distilleries running and family and neighbors employed, they proved helpful. They, and people like them kept us going until the Reagan era started slowing the oppression down, and with Trump, perhaps my grandchildren can live in just as free a Country as my Grandparents had (freedom is prosperity for those who work consistently hard).

The main purpose of LBJ's Great Society program was to get desultory urban black vagrants all lined up to vote Democratic, since the remnants of Jim Crow had since been legislated away. The main focus was not on poor rural whites, and the outcomes that result from subsidizing black unemployeds and white unemployeds markedly differs on the basis of the different character that each ethnic demographic possesses towards the prospects of hard work. Generally, whites feel an organic attachment to American society, in spite of its fundamental fault that American society must be "American" and thus inordinately defined by empty theoretical civic principles and reckless individualism. Therefore, they use welfare as intended, as a helping hand or a social security net. On the other hand, the blacks have no attachment to the culture or society they've been raised in: their own "culture" is just misogynistic barbarism, and they have only contempt for the white man whose magnanimity tolerates his continued presence in society. Consequently, they bilk the welfare systems for all they're worth with no corresponding sense of duty or obligation to the community, reproduce like rabbits just to increase their meagre rewards, and repay the hand that feeds them with gangsterism, ingratitude, running property values into the dirt, and defecating into the city streets

As for the notion that is government intervention that destroyed American industry, this is perhaps one of the most widely circulated lies on the right-wing. What did it, in actuality, is that the government did not intervene vigorously enough, forcing the big industrialists to retain their domestic industrial capacity at all costs, unilaterally preventing the outsourcing of labor in its early stages by fiat, and having any who deviated from the plan imprisoned or executed. Of course, the American federal government cannot due this, because it is nominally ruled under weak constitutional principles, but really because the President and Congress are invariably beholden to the interests of major limited-liability companies and their lobbyists. It was economic liberalism that created the problems with China, through the fraud of free markets and free trade. After all, what more "rational" economic decision could a private economic agent make than to replace your own country's workers, who would unionize and fight tooth and nail for what's due to them if necessary, with a horde of miserable Asian industrial serfs. Ultimately though, David Koch is just a small fry. Call me up when George "The Devil Incarnate" Soros kicks the bucket.

Narland wrote:Yes, it was (a massacre).

They (the Statists in our midst draped in the color of authority) surrounded Weaver's place and shot a 13 year old kid in the back without warning (after they shot his dog), and proceeded to attempt to systematically kill all of Weaver's family and friend(s) present (including shooting his wife in the face while she was holding their infant son -- and then taunt him about it) in order to demoralize Weaver and use him as an object lesson reputedly in retaliation for refusing to act as an FBI informant and infiltrate a bunch of Neo-Nazi's that had moved up from West Hollywood, California.

While White Separatism is just as wrong-headed as any bigotry and prejudice based on skin color (Progressivist affirmative action and Neomarxist intersectionality included), anyone who wishes to live alone in peace and be let be, deserves to to be let alone. The face of fascistic evil demonstrated by both the Bush and Clinton administrations (and carried forth by the Fabian "Rational Administrative State" that has unconstitutionally arisen amongst us) cannot be reasoned with. It is deadly, dangerous, and unreasonable --not to mention subversive to the life, liberty and property of every American. The best thing the President (and hopefully Congress after 2020) can do is fire and prosecute every so-called civil servant who by misfeasance and malfeasance has abused our trust.

I don't care about Ruby Ridge, but I agree that George H.W. Bush's body should be exhumed and processed into cat food

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Two people died.

not to be haggling, but 3 people, Vicky and Sammy Weaver, and U.S. Marshal William Degan. All three would be alive (and the 67 at Waco) if the Federal government had respected the rule of Law.

All charges were dropped or set aside and the jury indicted Weaver on one count, failure to appear (for which he refused to appeal. Idaho Law at the time allowed a person to refuse a court appearance if he thought he was being unjustly tried but did not follow through on proper procedure afterward) and fined $10,000 and sentenced to 18 months in prison. He was credited with time served plus an additional three months, and was then released.

Kevin Harris was acquitted of all criminal charges.

In August 1995, the US government avoided trial on a civil lawsuit filed by the Weavers by awarding the three surviving daughters $1,000,000 each, and Randy Weaver $100,000 over the deaths of Sammy and Vicki Weaver. The attorney for Kevin Harris pressed Harris' civil suit for damages, although federal officials vowed they would never pay someone who had killed a U.S. Marshal. In September 2000 Harris was finally awarded a $380,000 settlement from the government.

Government Assassin Lon Horiuchi is still at large, and the US DOJ refuses to honor Boundary County's manslaughter charge against him.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:not to be haggling, but 3 people, Vicky and Sammy Weaver, and U.S. Marshal William Degan. All three would be alive (and the 67 at Waco) if the Federal government had respected the rule of Law.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that it was appropriate practice to count the number of dead attackers and add them to the list of those massacred. I was under the impression that a massacre is the killing of a large group of people by an actor, i was further unaware that two—even three and an animal—was enough for the appropriate use of "massacre". I wasn't aware that it was acceptable to employ deceptive or extraordinary rhetoric. This isn't about who was right, or what was right, but the hypocrisy of the right in their presentation of the other.

So I am now aware, and I will henceforth refer to the event at Wounded Knee as a genocide, the Battle of Saratoga as a war, and every minor rain as a hurricane.

What makes it a massacre is a political motivation and the suddenness, not necessarily the size. Wounded Knee could arguably be considered attempted genocide. Don't know how to respond to the Battle of Saratoga, except, "We Won!" My Green Party neighbor would agree with that last part though what with climate change and all.

Tupolite wrote:The main purpose of LBJ's Great Society program was to get desultory urban black vagrants all lined up to vote Democratic, since the remnants of Jim Crow had since been legislated away. The main focus was not on poor rural whites, and the outcomes that result from subsidizing black unemployeds and white unemployeds markedly differs on the basis of the different character that each ethnic demographic possesses towards the prospects of hard work. Generally, whites feel an organic attachment to American society, in spite of its fundamental fault that American society must be "American" and thus inordinately defined by empty theoretical civic principles and reckless individualism. Therefore, they use welfare as intended, as a helping hand or a social security net. On the other hand, the blacks have no attachment to the culture or society they've been raised in: their own "culture" is just misogynistic barbarism, and they have only contempt for the white man whose magnanimity tolerates his continued presence in society. Consequently, they bilk the welfare systems for all they're worth with no corresponding sense of duty or obligation to the community, reproduce like rabbits just to increase their meagre rewards, and repay the hand that feeds them with gangsterism, ingratitude, running property values into the dirt, and defecating into the city streets

As for the notion that is government intervention that destroyed American industry, this is perhaps one of the most widely circulated lies on the right-wing. What did it, in actuality, is that the government did not intervene vigorously enough, forcing the big industrialists to retain their domestic industrial capacity at all costs, unilaterally preventing the outsourcing of labor in its early stages by fiat, and having any who deviated from the plan imprisoned or executed. Of course, the American federal government cannot due this, because it is nominally ruled under weak constitutional principles, but really because the President and Congress are invariably beholden to the interests of major limited-liability companies and their lobbyists. It was economic liberalism that created the problems with China, through the fraud of free markets and free trade. After all, what more "rational" economic decision could a private economic agent make than to replace your own country's workers, who would unionize and fight tooth and nail for what's due to them if necessary, with a horde of miserable Asian industrial serfs. Ultimately though, David Koch is just a small fry. Call me up when George "The Devil Incarnate" Soros kicks the bucket.

I agree in part. The Great Society (the entire political scheme, not just the welfare bills) wasn't just about race, although (to Democrats--go figure) it was and part of the strategy. It was about transforming all of us (urban, suburban, rural) into a Socialist State by crippling us and addicting us to the government largess. Nonetheless, LBJs directives against Rural America were a part of that "Great Society." The results were multifarious, one of which was to regulate and destroy family rural enterprise and turn hard working "rural poor" into a proletariat of Democrat voting trailer parks receiving "welfare" cheques while the likes of ADM, Dutch-Shell, Georgia-Pacific et al. took over our livelihoods due to that Statist interference -- just like they tried to herd the urban poor into "compassionate" housing projects.

The level of financial forfeiture was bad in big and small cities, proportionally worse in small towns and devastating to ruralite societies. A state of a half a million has little voice in media of the time compared to cities with millions. Of course the loss of employ in the cities got the most attention -- that is to be expected. The so-called Great Society and the irresponsibility of Congress was hell for the poor regardless of where we lived. It destroyed the livelihood of families regardless of race, class, and creed and location. The Johnson administration was spiteful, cruel, and arrogant to anyone who wasn't a sycophant or a part of the Viet-Nam War Political Machine entrenched in both parties.

Government did a half-assed job, but had they done the full job, they would have prompted a Civil War. The WW2 generation was still alive and kicking and most of them hated Socialism (especially Nazism and Fascism) with a passion. Over half disliked International Socialism (Communism) and it would not have been hard at that time to turn them against the Fabian Socialism of the Progressivists of the US Elite who were a distinction without a difference -- tyranny is tyranny. I had a more comprehensive and more succinct response that covered your points but I am on a M$ machine that lost it in what passes for a cut and paste feature so unlike GNU/Linux, sorry.

Narland wrote:I agree in part. The Great Society (the entire political scheme, not just the welfare bills) wasn't just about race, although (to Democrats--go figure) it was and part of the strategy. It was about transforming all of us (urban, suburban, rural) into a Socialist State by crippling us and addicting us to the government largess. Nonetheless, LBJs directives against Rural America were a part of that "Great Society." The results were multifarious, one of which was to regulate and destroy family rural enterprise and turn hard working "rural poor" into a proletariat of Democrat voting trailer parks receiving "welfare" cheques while the likes of ADM, Dutch-Shell, Georgia-Pacific et al. took over our livelihoods due to that Statist interference -- just like they tried to herd the urban poor into "compassionate" housing projects.

The level of financial forfeiture was bad in big and small cities, proportionally worse in small towns and devastating to ruralite societies. A state of a half a million has little voice in media of the time compared to cities with millions. Of course the loss of employ in the cities got the most attention -- that is to be expected. The so-called Great Society and the irresponsibility of Congress was hell for the poor regardless of where we lived. It destroyed the livelihood of families regardless of race, class, and creed and location. The Johnson administration was spiteful, cruel, and arrogant to anyone who wasn't a sycophant or a part of the Viet-Nam War Political Machine entrenched in both parties.

Government did a half-assed job, but had they done the full job, they would have prompted a Civil War. The WW2 generation was still alive and kicking and most of them hated Socialism (especially Nazism and Fascism) with a passion. Over half disliked International Socialism (Communism) and it would not have been hard at that time to turn them against the Fabian Socialism of the Progressivists of the US Elite who were a distinction without a difference -- tyranny is tyranny. I had a more comprehensive and more succinct response that covered your points but I am on a M$ machine that lost it in what passes for a cut and paste feature so unlike GNU/Linux, sorry.

What I primarily resent is this laissez-fairist economic interpretation of LBJ's depredations where it's the usage of the public finances to subsidize hard-on-their-luck working-class folk and rural bumpkins that is itself the killer. The fundamental question cannot be reduced to any other than that of disorder wreaked by the wickedness of multicultural society. The centerpiece of my ideology is the Hegelian notion that the state is the aspect of the moral absolute, which we might state as equivalent to God in some pantheistic sense, that the common faith and pooled political and cultural consciousness of a people is capable of interpreting through responsible participation in civil society. Furthermore, while I don't believe that the biological elements of the concept of race are deterministic in their entirety of an ethnic group's capacity for meaningful participation in civil society, I do believe that race makes its first mark on culture, and the insuperable gulf between whites and blacks in American society, engendered by the tolerance for the autonomy of the latter, is the cause of the welfare system's abuse. Implicit in this also is that a welfare system cannot be held responsible for the country's financial woes ipso facto, and in fact that it would be entirely beneficent if its rewards were primarily reserved for America's ethnic nucleus (i.e. the white majority), whereas other and more directly coercive systems must exist to integrate the blacks and other minorities to any significant extent into the national framework, and thus justify their toleration. I also don't necessarily think of LBJ and Great Society as being particularly socialist, especially if we regard socialism as Marxism and Bolshevism. Marxian socialism's faults were numerous, both in theory and practice, starting with its stateless international utopianism and its concept of man as a purely economic factor with purely material preconditions to his state of greatest self-actualization, and ending with its thesis of the war of classes over the mode of property ownership, its relegation to meaninglessness of all romantic myths which grant heroic significance to the prime movers of history, and its slavery of the proletariat under the guise of its liberation. But what every tired politico-economic machination in the United States since the beginning of the 20th century onwards has represented is merely the banal essence of liberal democracy, where politicians vie for power and access to government resources by recklessly promising the biggest piece of the proverbial pie away to one demographic, social class, or occupational group. In this sense, we can see Great Society as symptomatic of the American republic's very nature to arbitrate the struggle between heterogenized factions of people for the largest share of the country's vast resources, by sublating the simmering tensions which are kept to boil just under the surface to a clown show where a bunch of well-heeled idiots in suits trot in front of the frothing public and make increasingly inane spectacles to bask in their rage.

Tupolite wrote:The main purpose of LBJ's Great Society program was to get desultory urban black vagrants all lined up to vote Democratic, since the remnants of Jim Crow had since been legislated away. The main focus was not on poor rural whites, and the outcomes that result from subsidizing black unemployeds and white unemployeds markedly differs on the basis of the different character that each ethnic demographic possesses towards the prospects of hard work. Generally, whites feel an organic attachment to American society, in spite of its fundamental fault that American society must be "American" and thus inordinately defined by empty theoretical civic principles and reckless individualism. Therefore, they use welfare as intended, as a helping hand or a social security net. On the other hand, the blacks have no attachment to the culture or society they've been raised in: their own "culture" is just misogynistic barbarism, and they have only contempt for the white man whose magnanimity tolerates his continued presence in society. Consequently, they bilk the welfare systems for all they're worth with no corresponding sense of duty or obligation to the community, reproduce like rabbits just to increase their meagre rewards, and repay the hand that feeds them with gangsterism, ingratitude, running property values into the dirt, and defecating into the city streets

As for the notion that is government intervention that destroyed American industry, this is perhaps one of the most widely circulated lies on the right-wing. What did it, in actuality, is that the government did not intervene vigorously enough, forcing the big industrialists to retain their domestic industrial capacity at all costs, unilaterally preventing the outsourcing of labor in its early stages by fiat, and having any who deviated from the plan imprisoned or executed. Of course, the American federal government cannot due this, because it is nominally ruled under weak constitutional principles, but really because the President and Congress are invariably beholden to the interests of major limited-liability companies and their lobbyists. It was economic liberalism that created the problems with China, through the fraud of free markets and free trade. After all, what more "rational" economic decision could a private economic agent make than to replace your own country's workers, who would unionize and fight tooth and nail for what's due to them if necessary, with a horde of miserable Asian industrial serfs. Ultimately though, David Koch is just a small fry. Call me up when George "The Devil Incarnate" Soros kicks the bucket.

Do I have permission to quote you when arguing with leftists that Nazis were actually Socialists? (Joking of course)

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New poll in Zentari, come and vote!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=146353

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Skaveria wrote:Do I have permission to quote you when arguing with leftists that Nazis were actually Socialists? (Joking of course)

I'm a fascist but not a National Socialist. I clarified that I don't necessarily believe racial differences are entirely biological or innate or that they entirely preclude the possibility of such as Africans to participate meaningfully in civilized society (after all, it is impossible to deny the existence of civilized blacks, though they are in the minority), but we must look at what is plainly evident in the here-and-now, which is that their conduct is on the whole beastly. After 10 generations of having a firm discipline pressed upon them from without, they might be ready for equal participation in society. Also, I resist the implicit accusation of anti-Semitism. I believe that a clandestine clique commands international finance and the pseudo-revolutionary Marxist and quasi-Marxist movements, and while there are notoriously Jewish individuals and families within this clique, it cannot be described as uniformly Jewish, with the involvement of many wealthy Gentiles. On the flipside, the great number of Jews worldwide are not particularly wealthy, but relegated to the masses of the middle-classes and, especially in some areas like Eastern Europe, even to the lower-classes. I see no reason then to demonize the Jewish race. Given the Jews' financial acumen, it would make considerable sense for a powerful state to make use of them, assuming a corporatist arrangement wherein private capital serves the state rather than the other way around.

I might as well add to this that the race laws of 1938 and the turn to Nordicism was very much a mistake.

I would not say it is fair to call me a Socialist in the trypical sense because I do not believe in class warfare or in total property socialization. I believe that a radical awakening of nation consciousness is enough to break down the class distinctions by unifying the classes into a corporate state, and I believe that the right to private property should be preserved and defended, but only insofar as the reciprocal obligations of private ownership should imply the socialization of certain functions of property usage or, less cryptically perhaps, acceptance of the superiority of the state in dictating the economic mode of property usage

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I imagine this coming from a turban wearing italian. I laugh. Then I remember that this is coming from someone who's pseudonym is Techocally a pseudonym on a pseudonym and laugh again.

Is the movie going to star Leonardo DiCaprio?

I'm not a Muslim and I never was, you goddamn hippie!

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The top thought thought: Fascism dumb.

I’ve learned not to waste my time arguing with those complete wastes of space.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Momma mia, pass the kebab. I forgot you were the Jewish one. My bad.

No, that's Einsiev. He left. You keep forgetting.

Jadentopian Order wrote:I’ve learned not to waste my time arguing with those complete wastes of space.

You wear skinny jeans and look like a Scooby Doo character.

Tupolite wrote:

You wear skinny jeans and look like a Scooby Doo character.

1. yeah

2. No thats Wil

Jadentopian Order wrote:1. yeah

2. No thats Wil

I saw you in the background of that video that one time. Don't deny it.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Two killed by law enforcement over a course of two days. At what point does the word lose application? Ome person?

Sam was shot immediately and in the back as he was running away from unknown assailants. They did not announce themselves, and attacked without warning. That is what makes it a massacre. Being shot in the face (Vicky -- 2nd Day) as merely a tool to demoralize the primary target only accentuates the nature of the massacre. The fact that the Weavers could find protection for several days from their murderous assailants (under color of authority no less) does not detract from it being a massacre. Defying the lawful authority of the People of the State of Idaho by denying the manslaughter warrant of a duly appointed Grand Jury just because Horiuchi was/is a "Federal Officer under orders" from the DOJ for to surround and ambush them merely for political motive makes it even more heinous of a massacre.

Addenda: And the pointlessness (part of what makes a massacre), nobody had to die from either party.

I know we won't see eye to eye on this and I do not begrudge you for arguing the point.

The United States Of Patriots

Tupolite wrote:I saw you in the background of that video that one time. Don't deny it.

Bah that’s from like 3 years ago now

Tupolite wrote:I'm a fascist but not a National Socialist. I clarified that I don't necessarily believe racial differences are entirely biological or innate or that they entirely preclude the possibility of such as Africans to participate meaningfully in civilized society (after all, it is impossible to deny the existence of civilized blacks, though they are in the minority), but we must look at what is plainly evident in the here-and-now, which is that their conduct is on the whole beastly. After 10 generations of having a firm discipline pressed upon them from without, they might be ready for equal participation in society.

10 generations of "firm discipline" doesn't have a very 'civilizing' influence when it totally strips you of your ethnic heritage and identity, suppresses any creative and industrious impulses and dehumanizes you to the point of being considered less than a whole human being. I'd argue that slavery and segregation, or 'firm discipline' as you'd call it, are in themselves savage, tribalistic and deeply destructive ideologies.

Also remember that throughout the Middle Ages, Africa (particularly the Mali Empire and the Great Zimbabwe) was viewed as a land of great opulence and wealth by Europeans, who for centuries existed in a quagmire of squalor and backwardness.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Highway Eighty-Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:Bah that’s from like 3 years ago now

They grow up so fast.

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