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Venomringo wrote:He enjoys showing off his "L" and is preparing to get another won if he runs again

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Miencraft, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Hello friends. I'm Brazilian and I'm new in the region. I do not know if it will be my permanent region but I hope to have a good stay here. There are some reasons why I'm here, so...

Why do you have several posts of the Federation Of Conservative Nations here?

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Brasilia wrote:Hello friends. I'm Brazilian and I'm new in the region. I do not know if it will be my permanent region but I hope to have a good stay here. There are some reasons why I'm here, so...

Why do you have several posts of the Federation Of Conservative Nations here?

Welcome! Be sure to join our discord server!

Rateria

Brasilia wrote:Why do you have several posts of the Federation Of Conservative Nations here?

Because we have embassy posting and that guy is advertising his region's poll.

Rateria

Brasilia wrote:Hello friends. I'm Brazilian and I'm new in the region. I do not know if it will be my permanent region but I hope to have a good stay here. There are some reasons why I'm here, so...

Why do you have several posts of the Federation Of Conservative Nations here?

Believe me, we've been trying to get him to leave

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

This just in, former president and number one god in da whole wide multiverse Muh Roads makes a sudden RMB post.

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Colorado-Kansas wrote:Voting Through The Ages | Day 36, [1940]

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OMG this is so unnecessary. I remember when this region was big and active and independent. Now it looks like a space for propaganda of polls of allied regions.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Brasilia wrote:OMG this is so unnecessary. I remember when this region was big and active and independent. Now it looks like a space for propaganda of polls of allied regions.

bro I love these polls, always fun to see how people would vote knowing what they do now about the presidents of the US

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Brasilia wrote:OMG this is so unnecessary. I remember when this region was big and active and independent. Now it looks like a space for propaganda of polls of allied regions.

This is fun, and this whole thing is about being fun, so I'd say it is necessary for keeping it cool here.

Rateria

And this region is decent size, active, and independent. Everything is on the discord.

Rateria

Most activity is in the discord

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Libertarians are supposedly open borders, but I know we got a lot of Trump bleedover too, and he's pretty hard on borders. Personally borders are one of the two areas i'm not libertarian, that and being pro-life. opinions?

Pevvania, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Skaveria wrote:Libertarians are supposedly open borders, but I know we got a lot of Trump bleedover too, and he's pretty hard on borders. Personally borders are one of the two areas i'm not libertarian, that and being pro-life. opinions?

Two words:

Private borders.

Skaveria wrote:Libertarians are supposedly open borders, but I know we got a lot of Trump bleedover too, and he's pretty hard on borders. Personally borders are one of the two areas i'm not libertarian, that and being pro-life. opinions?

I'm mostly pro-life. I also believe in a strong national defense, which means a well protected border. I do not believe in all this "wall" nonsense, but people should still respect the rule of law.

Rateria

I also generally approve of this latest administration, way better than the last few. A smaller government, a better tax code, and a weakening of the executive is great, and Trump has accomplished a lot of this, whether intentionally or by accident.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

Hmong: Bill Proposes National Cemetery Burial for ‘Secret War’ Veterans

http://unpo.org/article/20561

Colorado-Kansas wrote:Voting Through The Ages | Day 37, [1944]

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Miencraft, Rateria

current vote is 4-0

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Libertarians are supposedly open borders, but I know we got a lot of Trump bleedover too, and he's pretty hard on borders. Personally borders are one of the two areas i'm not libertarian, that and being pro-life. opinions?

Controlling immigration is one of the few legitimate functions of the state, so it's not necessarily 'un-libertarian' to support controls. Personally, I think we should have a liberal and lightly regulated legal immigration policy while being strong and aggressive on illegal immigration and border security. Deport all criminal/felon illegal immigrants and allow genuine contributors, Dreamers and hardworking people to stay. I am highly sceptical of Islamic migration and Middle Eastern refugees being imported en mass both for cultural and security reasons. Above all we need assimilation into American culture for immigrants so we can expect them to respect our liberty and the land we love.

Miencraft, Rateria, Skaveria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Pevvania wrote:Controlling immigration is one of the few legitimate functions of the state, so it's not necessarily 'un-libertarian' to support controls. Personally, I think we should have a liberal and lightly regulated legal immigration policy while being strong and aggressive on illegal immigration and border security. Deport all criminal/felon illegal immigrants and allow genuine contributors, Dreamers and hardworking people to stay. I am highly sceptical of Islamic migration and Middle Eastern refugees being imported en mass both for cultural and security reasons. Above all we need assimilation into American culture for immigrants so we can expect them to respect our liberty and the land we love.

Well according to some in this region you would be an islamophobic racist

The United States Of Patriots wrote:That was a long read

Yeah, but now we won't have to pass any more amendments like this for a long time.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Post by The Mutant Free Republic Of Genosha suppressed by a moderator.

Voting Through The Ages | Day 39, [1952]

Notice: I will be looking into the puppets used in '48 because I can confirm Dewey and Thurmond supporters were both using them... They will be weeded out in the results.

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Rateria, Marrum Graecia

I voted nay due to;

Amendment VIII, Article I, Section II, Subsection IV

The Executive office, and the commanding officers of the Libertatem Armed Forces serving as part of it, may launch individual military operations without a Senate declaration of war, so long as multiple military operations launched in this way are not against the same target, or targets that are known to be part of the same organization.

Defensive operations - defined as any military operation intended to prevent occupation of a Libertatem or allied region, or to remove foreign occupants from the same - are not bound by this limitation and may be launched freely without Senate permission.

Any commanding officers planning to launch a military operation must state their intent to launch this operation in a place visible to all other commanding officers, where these plans may be discussed. Any commanding officer of higher rank may dismiss the plans outright.

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Amendment VIII, Article I, Section II, Subsection VI

The Libertatem Armed Forces may not be used for any offensive operations on behalf of any foreign region or alliance. Individual members of the Libertatem Armed Forces may freely participate in foreign military operations so long as their participation would not constitute an attack on Libertatem or its allies. Commanding officers in the Libertatem Armed Forces may deny soldiers under them the ability to participate in foreign operations.

If any treaty entered into requires Libertatem to contribute forces to an allied army, any Libertatem Armed Forces servicemen also serving in the allied army will not be considered to be acting on behalf of Libertatem or the LAF during operations conducted by the allied army -

For subsection IV, I think multiple should be defined as more then 2 offensive raids within a 3 month time period.

As forsubsection VIII, I feel that cooperation with allies, joint-raids and more will never have the chance to happen in an official capacity due to this subsection.

Miencraft, Rateria, Marrum Graecia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

New Tampa wrote:As forsubsection VIII, I feel that cooperation with allies, joint-raids and more will never have the chance to happen in an official capacity due to this subsection.

The whole "individual members" thing allows soldiers to go sign up for raids under our allies whenever the hell they want to. Because there's that really big convenient allowance, ultimately all that section does is say that when people do that, it's not the LAF.

Also if a CO really wanted to they could go, "well, technically this raid we're doing with our allies isn't on their behalf because [insert reason here]" to just ignore that part entirely.

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:"Blue states" are wealthier than "red states" for the same reason that the most 'socialist' countries are also historically the most capitalist and free market. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. In California, New York, Hawaii and Illinois we have a generation of people totally unfamiliar with the perils of big government, socialism and communism. And as their looming government funding crises demonstrate, it will soon be 'hard times' for these states once again!
Pevvania wrote:I agree, it's an almost absurd generalisation. New Hampshire has voted Democratic in the last four presidential elections, yet its internal policies are some of the most libertarian in the nation. My point is that the "blue" or "liberal" states that are prosperous accumulated their wealth through free market capitalism.

agreed. It is a very poor generalisation. Wealth is a relative term with all of the corrupt and rigged bookkeeping. "Red-States" generally have a lower cost of living that exceeds the cost of wages comparatively. This allows in many cases more disposable income than those trapped in the urban blight of permanent underclasse welfare recipients whose tax-payer supported living is counted positively as wealth.

Lands are less expensive (less people per more land for market forces to play with), food is cheaper, and rarely is their unwanted infrastructure to pay for than plagues urban areas of "Blue-States." "Blue-States" tend to have large urban areas that control the rest of the state which are generally red counties. Red-States tend to be agricultural--land rich and federal reserve note poor. We produce the food, fibers, timber, and minerals (real wealth comes out of the ground) used by the cities. Were we to fail in our production of wealth the cities would fall apocalyptically. Most of my neighbors (including myself) know how to build our own roads and have done so when needed without a freaking inefficient bureaucracy wasting 90c on the dollar and 100s of man-hours of precious time to build the thing for heaven's sake.

If we were to treat commercial banking concerns like regular businesses (banks are one of the few entities that are allowed to claim their assets as liabilities and their liabilities as assets) they would depreciate blue states significantly. Banks also get to force people to show they do not need a loan (if we truly had free enterprise that is) and lay claim to another's assets as collateral which is also wrongly accounted. Banks use Federal Reserve Notes as Dollars (fiat currency) and monetized debt that are not assets but "certificates of indebtedness." The actual wealth of blue-states behind the legerdemain is staggeringly deprecatory compared to productive agricultural states. They are hedging their reckoning by leeching off the real productivity of labor and (actual) industry of their residents and the credit of their resident's children and their children's children. Remove all the Keynesian consumerist obfuscation from the books and the cities (generally blue states) are living in excess of their means and living on borrowed time.

Pevvania wrote:"Blue states" are wealthier than "red states" for the same reason that the most 'socialist' countries are also historically the most capitalist and free market. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. In California, New York, Hawaii and Illinois we have a generation of people totally unfamiliar with the perils of big government, socialism and communism. And as their looming government funding crises demonstrate, it will soon be 'hard times' for these states once again!

The other big problem is in the 1970s when one of the Circuit Courts ruled that (in violation of the US Constitution and the Constitution of every state in the Union) that states and counties could set up Soviet style "planning commissions." zoning out legitimate industrial business activity in "non-industrial" areas like my entire county. In 20 years all of our industrial infrastructure not state sanctioned from petroleum refineries, distilleries, mints, farm equipment and vehicle production, pipe and metal foundries have been shut down in favor of graft from out of state concentrated in commercial and industrialized zones favoring the banksters, state level croneys, and DC insiders. Get rid of the socialists in our midsts and let us return to our hard work and enterprise regarding our right to business pursuits (before that generation that still knows those skills dies out) and we will thrive without the corrupt statewide good-ole-boy networks and the lawless despotism of the Beltway.

Pevvania wrote:Controlling immigration is one of the few legitimate functions of the state, so it's not necessarily 'un-libertarian' to support controls. Personally, I think we should have a liberal and lightly regulated legal immigration policy while being strong and aggressive on illegal immigration and border security. Deport all criminal/felon illegal immigrants and allow genuine contributors, Dreamers and hardworking people to stay. I am highly sceptical of Islamic migration and Middle Eastern refugees being imported en mass both for cultural and security reasons. Above all we need assimilation into American culture for immigrants so we can expect them to respect our liberty and the land we love.
A legitimate Libertarian case can be made regarding property rights as borders logically follow by right of freedom of association as an extension of property rights. The Randian argument in favor of internationalism against nationalism it seems is an artifact of Nationalism by guilt of association (N*zism) being worse somehow than C*mmunism (internationalism). My contention is all forms of socialism are equally evil, and nation states are a legitimate expression politics. My right to my property, and right to choose with whom I associate has primacy over a stranger's demand that I relinquish in some degree or extent either.

Re: radical isl*m. Those who show by their ideology and actions a slavish assent to lawlessness (violence) and eternal emissiarial sanction (the Qur'an, hadith, and sharia) of that violence are implacable and intractable in their assertion of the aforementioned presenting a clear and present danger to life, liberty, property and peace. Until they (individually) foreswear their allegiance to the same and abdicate their association to an ideology advocating the wanton disregard for the humanity of others, we are under no obligation to let those who hold to or by their action or inaction tolerate such barbarity into our country, state, county, community, nor upon my property.

Pevvania, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, The Mutant Free Republic Of Genosha

Voting Through The Ages | Day 40, [1956]

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Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Trump has tried to defend signing the egregious spending deal by saying that we needed more wasteful spending in exchange for boosting military funding, and that we can somehow fix this by electing more Republicans in the midterms. This is not good enough and a shameful dodge. He should have vetoed any bill that did not reduce the deficit. Our Congress is utterly disgraceful and is gambling with the financial solvency of our economy and government. Trump too should be ashamed. There goes any hope for a balanced budget in this presidency!

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, New Tampa

Pevvania wrote:Trump has tried to defend signing the egregious spending deal by saying that we needed more wasteful spending in exchange for boosting military funding, and that we can somehow fix this by electing more Republicans in the midterms. This is not good enough and a shameful dodge. He should have vetoed any bill that did not reduce the deficit. Our Congress is utterly disgraceful and is gambling with the financial solvency of our economy and government. Trump too should be ashamed. There goes any hope for a balanced budget in this presidency!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wweZ7sMT3Yc

Rateria

Only Rand Paul knows whats up. You can't trust anyone else

Pevvania, Rateria, New Tampa

The Phoenix Party

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=neo-icelandic_commonwealth/detail=factbook/id=971035

The Phoenix Party is a catch-all authoritarian nationalist party whose main principle is the state's purpose to act as an instrument of power for the correction of social ills and the prevention of cultural disintegration. The party is open to all nationalists, authoritarians, traditionalists, and reactionaries

Reform 2.0 has launched!

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa, The Mutant Free Republic Of Genosha

"irrational fear of state power"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html

yeah ok please tell me more about how I should kiss big brother's boots in the name of muh jeebus and muh culture

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, New Tampa, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa

Jadentopian Order wrote:"irrational fear of state power"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html

yeah ok please tell me more about how I should kiss big brother's boots in the name of muh jeebus and muh culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_in_Pinochet%27s_Chile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela_(2012%E2%80%93present)

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order, New Tampa, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa

Venomringo wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_in_Pinochet%27s_Chile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela_(2012%E2%80%93present)

bro why u so scared the state protects our culture bro chill anarchist...

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, New Tampa, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa

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wow... u retards actually believe in having rights? cuck libtard millenials... stop being idealistic and realize that u should give absolute power to big brother so he can save jeebus... kids these days...

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa

[nation=short]Republic of Minerva[/nation], I thought you'd like to know that my uncle the Australian Senator Fraser Anning has formed a voting bloc in the Senate with Cory Bernardi and David Leyonhjelm. The government is actually being sensible and is pushing corporate tax cuts and welfare reforms. Uncle Fraser and Leyonhjelm are some of the only crossbench senators that support either of these! http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/tax-welfare-on-parliament-agenda/news-story/ff87c5d6f4cc186736b32aacdfdb7fc5

Narland, Rateria, Highway Eight

"Trump to demand tough budget cuts for domestic programs" https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-budget-cuts-domestic-programs-403636?lo=ap_a1

A flash of good news or too little too late?

Rateria, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:wow... u retards actually believe in having rights? cuck libtard millenials... stop being idealistic and realize that u should give absolute power to big brother so he can save jeebus... kids these days...

Voluntary exchange is for voluntary CUCKS

Rateria

Woot woot! :)

Rateria

Remember that one time we gave absolute power to one man and it ended up good for everyone?... Please help me, I cannot remember!

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The First Islands, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa

Highway Eight wrote:Remember that one time we gave absolute power to one man and it ended up good for everyone?... Please help me, I cannot remember!

Remember that time when the people in charge were the ones with the most knowledge and information, and they shared it with everyone else because they were good, benevolent rulers?

Oh wait that never happened, that was the Catholic Church and they hoarded all the information they could get so that their subjects would be too stupid to question them.

Rateria

Highway Eight wrote:Remember that one time we gave absolute power to one man and it ended up good for everyone?... Please help me, I cannot remember!

Gosh Wil, don't think I have an examples. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with giving one man all the power?

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:The Phoenix Party

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=neo-icelandic_commonwealth/detail=factbook/id=971035

The Phoenix Party is a catch-all authoritarian nationalist party whose main principle is the state's purpose to act as an instrument of power for the correction of social ills and the prevention of cultural disintegration. The party is open to all nationalists, authoritarians, traditionalists, and reactionaries

This is not how I envisioned it, but whatever. Reform lives!

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

While I disagree with Obama's actions as president, every president deserves respect for the office and by extension a good portrait to remember them by. The portrait of President Obama is garbage and an absolute disgrace.

Miencraft, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:While I disagree with Obama's actions as president, every president deserves respect for the office and by extension a good portrait to remember them by. The portrait of President Obama is garbage and an absolute disgrace.

I agree, why the hell is he in a bush?

Rateria

Join join join

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=neo-icelandic_commonwealth/detail=factbook/id=971035

If we want to have a chance to defeat the liberal democracy we must be united!

A stronger state for a better tomorrow

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:A stronger state for a better tomorrow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html

BETTER TOMORROW

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Join join join

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=neo-icelandic_commonwealth/detail=factbook/id=971035

If we want to have a chance to defeat the liberal democracy we must be united!

A stronger state for a better tomorrow

Last I checked we were not a democracy.

Also, what part of the region isn't working? There doesn't seem to be a real problem that needs to be fixed and all you are doing is trashing a system that is working fine.

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Highway Eight wrote:Last I checked we were not a democracy.

Also, what part of the region isn't working? There doesn't seem to be a real problem that needs to be fixed and all you are doing is trashing a system that is working fine.

Yeah it's called a representative democracy, which is still a democracy

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Yeah it's called a representative democracy, which is still a democracy

Go ahead and ignore the realities of your fantasy and delusional ideology and keep spouting rhetoric. Never forget the millions who have died under authoritarian dictators that you wish for.

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Yeah it's called a representative democracy, which is still a democracy

Libertatem is never officially referred to as a democracy. It's established specifically as a republic in the constitution.

So, no, it's not called a representative democracy. It's called a republic.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:Go ahead and ignore the realities of your fantasy and delusional ideology and keep spouting rhetoric. Never forget the millions who have died under authoritarian dictators that you wish for.

I'm not going to kill you if that's what you think

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I'm not going to kill you if that's what you think

I don't think that- I think you're endorsing an ideology of murder and torture. You're ignoring the deaths of so many because "muh culture". You don't want to face the fact that authoritarianism kills.

Miencraft, Rateria, Cyborgs And Sentient Machines, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:I don't think that- I think you're endorsing an ideology of murder and torture. You're ignoring the deaths of so many because "muh culture". You don't want to face the fact that authoritarianism kills.

Excuse me? Who's death am I "ignoring" because I want to protect my culture? Having a powerful state acting as a force of good in society doesn't kill, it saves lives

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Excuse me? Who's death am I "ignoring" because I want to protect my culture? Having a powerful state acting as a force of good in society doesn't kill, it saves lives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html

"Saves lives" Yeah... ok. Millions killed under authoritarian rulers. Please continue to spout your nonsense about "protecting culture" and ignore Sean's and my examples.

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html

"Saves lives" Yeah... ok. Millions killed under authoritarian rulers. Please continue to spout your nonsense about "protecting culture" and ignore Sean's and my examples.

It's funny that you post nations that had policies that I have never advocated for, some (relatively) harmless internet censorship, a novel, and then some protest in Russia where a political activist (who was convicted for embezzlement before) was arrested. I don't really see how any of this relates to what I'm saying, so how exactly do you want me to respond to this?

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It's funny that you post nations that had policies that I have never advocated for, some (relatively) harmless internet censorship, a novel, and then some protest in Russia where a political activist (who was convicted for embezzlement before) was arrested. I don't really see how any of this relates to what I'm saying, so how exactly do you want me to respond to this?

Nazi Germany and The USSR both committed atrocities against humanity (One of which you refused to admit happened ;) ) under authoritarian rule. China enforces it's authoritarian policies through fear and arrests, and so does North Korea, except they literally kill and force their own citizens to work in labor camps. I don't care if you advocate for the countries, by continuing to cling to your pathetic and delusional authoritarian safety blanket, you're refusing to accept that authoritarianism literally kills people. It seems whenever someone presents you with actual evidence, you just can't accept it, no matter how glaring it is.

And no, internet censorship is not harmless, you are stripping someone of the fundamental right to speak their mind. I don't care if your feeling are hurt, the right to freely speak without censorship is one that is integral to our society.

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:Nazi Germany and The USSR both committed atrocities against humanity (One of which you refused to admit happened ;) ) under authoritarian rule. China enforces it's authoritarian policies through fear and arrests, and so does North Korea, except they literally kill and force their own citizens to work in labor camps. I don't care if you advocate for the countries, by continuing to cling to your pathetic and delusional authoritarian safety blanket, you're refusing to accept that authoritarianism literally kills people. It seems whenever someone presents you with actual evidence, you just can't accept it, no matter how glaring it is.

And no, internet censorship is not harmless, you are stripping someone of the fundamental right to speak their mind. I don't care if your feeling are hurt, the right to freely speak without censorship is one that is integral to our society.

First off. I never "refused to admit" the Holocaust happened. I simply didn't find the evidence you presented at the time to be sufficient. Secondly, I have no idea why you keep talking about China and North Korea, since they have got nothing to do with what I am advocating. You are putting me and my ideas in this group of nations and people that have committed horrific atrocities without any evidence or arguments to back it up whatsoever. That's both insulting and childish. And yeah, internet censorship is pretty harmless when you look at the big picture, at least the way it is in the United Kingdom.

Equating my ideas of using the state as a force of good and to improve the lives of people while at the same protecting my culture and language with Nazism, Communism, or something like that is incredibly naive and quite simply, slander.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:First off. I never "refused to admit" the Holocaust happened. I simply didn't find the evidence you presented at the time to be sufficient. Secondly, I have no idea why you keep talking about China and North Korea, since they have got nothing to do with what I am advocating. You are putting me and my ideas in this group of nations and people that have committed horrific atrocities without any evidence or arguments to back it up whatsoever. That's both insulting and childish. And yeah, internet censorship is pretty harmless when you look at the big picture, at least the way it is in the United Kingdom.

Equating my ideas of using the state as a force of good and to improve the lives of people while at the same protecting my culture and language with Nazism, Communism, or something like that is incredibly naive and quite simply, slander.

Except you are advocating for what they do/did. "using the state as a force of good and to improve the lives of people while at the same protecting my culture and language" Hmmmmm I wonder what angry little men had this idea? If you do not want to be group with the evil ones, stop spouting their ideas.

And dude, don't try to snake your way out of your holocaust denial. Patriots, Venom, Mien, Wil, and I all sent you tons of testimonies, primary documents, and photographic evidence and you still hid from it.

Again, stripping someone of the most fundamental right in all of society is not "harmless". You cannot have western civilization without freedom of speech.

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:Except you are advocating for what they do/did. "using the state as a force of good and to improve the lives of people while at the same protecting my culture and language" Hmmmmm I wonder what angry little men had this idea? If you do not want to be group with the evil ones, stop spouting their ideas.

And dude, don't try to snake your way out of your holocaust denial. Patriots, Venom, Mien, Wil, and I all sent you tons of testimonies, primary documents, and photographic evidence and you still hid from it.

Again, stripping someone of the most fundamental right in all of society is not "harmless". You cannot have western civilization without freedom of speech.

Oh nice. Wanting to use the government to prevent loanwords from entering the language is now the same as Nazism. Got it.

Calling anyone that doesn't agree with your ridiculous minarchist/anarchist ideas a Nazi makes you just like the modern liberals and social justice warriors you keep complaining about. This is simply silly and I am not going to participate in this. Have a nice day

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Oh nice. Wanting to use the government to prevent loanwords from entering the language is now the same as Nazism. Got it.

Calling anyone that doesn't agree with your ridiculous minarchist/anarchist ideas a Nazi makes you just like the modern liberals and social justice warriors you keep complaining about. This is simply silly and I am not going to participate in this. Have a nice day

"My ideology uses the same rhetoric that Mussolini and Hitler uses, you are ridiculous for suggesting I am anything like them, and now I will run for an argument I am losing."

Oh nice, call me an anarchist, even though I have advocated for the existence of a state plenty of times. I compare you to a fascist and you run though. Nice, glad to see you can stand up to your own standards. You know, if you actually want to win arguments, try not to have views that have gotten millions killed, and maybe, just maybe, start to accept evidence that doesn't back up your world view.

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:"My ideology uses the same rhetoric that Mussolini and Hitler uses, you are ridiculous for suggesting I am anything like them, and now I will run for an argument I am losing."

Oh nice, call me an anarchist, even though I have advocated for the existence of a state plenty of times. I compare you to a fascist and you run though. Nice, glad to see you can stand up to your own standards. You know, if you actually want to win arguments, try not to have views that have gotten millions killed, and maybe, just maybe, start to accept evidence that doesn't back up your world view.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Calling anyone that doesn't agree with your ridiculous minarchist/anarchist ideas a Nazi makes you just like the modern liberals and social justice warriors you keep complaining about.

In case you didn't see. As for the other thing we aren't really arguing about anything, you are just talking about North Korea ans Mussolini and I don't really know how it relates to me or the party platform that I posted

If the Russians want to intervene to stop the election of politicians that hate the Constitution and want to end the American experiment in liberty and freedom, then that's fine by me.

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight

Pevvania wrote:If the Russians want to intervene to stop the election of politicians that hate the Constitution and want to end the American experiment in liberty and freedom, then that's fine by me.

Can we really call something an "experiment" anymore if it's had this degree of success?

Rateria, Highway Eight

Citizens of Libertatem.

I am resigning from the Senate and leaving the region.

A few days after Christmas Genosha (Who was the Prime Minister of the Union of Allied States at the time) telegrammed me. He wanted to know what was the best way to hurt Libertatem and if I could be counted on. He offered me a position in his government to sweeten the deal. I said yes.

For the next few days me, Genosha, Houthia, and Handal Ands made a plan to get the password of the International Republican Union. The plan was for me to create a communist puppet, telegram the senators of this region and the president, and tell them that I (the communist puppet) had the password of the IRU. Then I (Lib) was supposed to propose a new password to the President, and use my language skills to create it. It all worked out. Venom took the bait and I had the password. Eventually the password was never used, since Plagentine (who we gave the password to) never used it. Then Jaden asked me to create a new password, and so the plan was out the window. I decided not to leak the new password.

I am ashamed of what I did. I was going to ruin a region that was dear to people that considered me their friend. The same people that have me a second chance when I didn't deserve it. Iam sorry for what I did. I really am. I know I'm not welcome here anymore but I'll just say this: This has been an incredible adventure for me. I am blessed to have been able to spend time with you. We had our disagreements, but that's not what I'm gonna remember from this region. I will remember the jokes, the laughter, the advice, and the kindness that I experienced in this region. I am also going to remember your forgiveness. You took me in after I betrayed your trust. You even voted me into your Senate, for three terms in a row now I think. Thank you. Thank you.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Citizens of Libertatem.

I am resigning from the Senate and leaving the region.

A few days after Christmas Genosha (Who was the Prime Minister of the Union of Allied States at the time) telegrammed me. He wanted to know what was the best way to hurt Libertatem and if I could be counted on. He offered me a position in his government to sweeten the deal. I said yes.

For the next few days me, Genosha, Houthia, and Handal Ands made a plan to get the password of the International Republican Union. The plan was for me to create a communist puppet, telegram the senators of this region and the president, and tell them that I (the communist puppet) had the password of the IRU. Then I (Lib) was supposed to propose a new password to the President, and use my language skills to create it. It all worked out. Venom took the bait and I had the password. Eventually the password was never used, since Plagentine (who we gave the password to) never used it. Then Jaden asked me to create a new password, and so the plan was out the window. I decided not to leak the new password.

I am ashamed of what I did. I was going to ruin a region that was dear to people that considered me their friend. The same people that have me a second chance when I didn't deserve it. Iam sorry for what I did. I really am. I know I'm not welcome here anymore but I'll just say this: This has been an incredible adventure for me. I am blessed to have been able to spend time with you. We had our disagreements, but that's not what I'm gonna remember from this region. I will remember the jokes, the laughter, the advice, and the kindness that I experienced in this region. I am also going to remember your forgiveness. You took me in after I betrayed your trust. You even voted me into your Senate, for three terms in a row now I think. Thank you. Thank you.

Just so we have an official statement on this:

This counts as a renouncement of citizenship, right?

Also someone kinda has to run for that seat now.

Miencraft wrote:Just so we have an official statement on this:

This counts as a renouncement of citizenship, right?

It does. I am leaving the region, unless some miracle happens

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It does. I am leaving the region, unless some miracle happens

Got it.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Citizens of Libertatem.

I am resigning from the Senate and leaving the region.

A few days after Christmas Genosha (Who was the Prime Minister of the Union of Allied States at the time) telegrammed me. He wanted to know what was the best way to hurt Libertatem and if I could be counted on. He offered me a position in his government to sweeten the deal. I said yes.

For the next few days me, Genosha, Houthia, and Handal Ands made a plan to get the password of the International Republican Union. The plan was for me to create a communist puppet, telegram the senators of this region and the president, and tell them that I (the communist puppet) had the password of the IRU. Then I (Lib) was supposed to propose a new password to the President, and use my language skills to create it. It all worked out. Venom took the bait and I had the password. Eventually the password was never used, since Plagentine (who we gave the password to) never used it. Then Jaden asked me to create a new password, and so the plan was out the window. I decided not to leak the new password.

I am ashamed of what I did. I was going to ruin a region that was dear to people that considered me their friend. The same people that have me a second chance when I didn't deserve it. Iam sorry for what I did. I really am. I know I'm not welcome here anymore but I'll just say this: This has been an incredible adventure for me. I am blessed to have been able to spend time with you. We had our disagreements, but that's not what I'm gonna remember from this region. I will remember the jokes, the laughter, the advice, and the kindness that I experienced in this region. I am also going to remember your forgiveness. You took me in after I betrayed your trust. You even voted me into your Senate, for three terms in a row now I think. Thank you. Thank you.

go away

Jadentopian Order

Hey, every time I get the national faith issue, I pick not to have a national faith because that's stupid and authoritarian, but the faith option being locked in my settings annoys me. To those of you who have unlocked this, do you get to write in a religion and if so could I theoretically write in "no national religion" or "agnosticism" or something like that?

Skaveria wrote:Hey, every time I get the national faith issue, I pick not to have a national faith because that's stupid and authoritarian, but the faith option being locked in my settings annoys me. To those of you who have unlocked this, do you get to write in a religion and if so could I theoretically write in "no national religion" or "agnosticism" or something like that?

You do get to choose one, yes.

Skaveria wrote:Hey, every time I get the national faith issue, I pick not to have a national faith because that's stupid and authoritarian, but the faith option being locked in my settings annoys me. To those of you who have unlocked this, do you get to write in a religion and if so could I theoretically write in "no national religion" or "agnosticism" or something like that?

Yeah, the entire point of those issues is to unlock that field as a custom option.

The Zionist Cultural Marxists that control this region killed God. #LibDidNothingWrong

Rateria

Lib got Tatemed

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Acelandinisia wrote:Lib got Tatemed

Nae nae'd

Rateria, Acelandinisia

Once a citizen, im gonna make Jewishism a national ideology fyi

Rateria

ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR:

New developments concerning the full extent have brought us evidence of a significant network of puppet nations in the region, and the Chancellor of the Interior wishes to make it absolutely clear that any citizen caught aiding these puppets in their espionage shall be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Treason and espionage are not to be treated lightly. Treason Class A is defined as "Distribution of classified military information". Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

If you have any information regarding puppets and/or spies, please report it directly to the Regional Justice. Regional safety is a top priority, and we are not going to let traitors like the treacherous Libiceland ruin it.

Praise be to the holy oats,

Chancellor of the Interior Jadentopian Order

Miencraft, Rateria, Acelandinisia, Highway Eight

Sorry for raising my voice at you all, but it seems some of us can't seem to let us have nice things in life.

Rateria, Acelandinisia, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR:

New developments concerning the full extent have brought us evidence of a significant network of puppet nations in the region, and the Chancellor of the Interior wishes to make it absolutely clear that any citizen caught aiding these puppets in their espionage shall be prosecuted to the fullest extent.  Treason and espionage are not to be treated lightly.  Treason Class A is defined as "Distribution of classified military information".  Ignorance of the law is not and excuse. 

If you have any information regarding puppets and/or spies, please report it directly to the Regional Justice.  Regional safety is a top priority, and we are not going to let traitors like the treacherous Libiceland ruin it.

Praise be to the holy oats,

Chancellor of the Interior Jadentopian Order

You can feed me oats any day of the week, oat daddy Jaden ;)

Rateria

Let the witch-hunt commence!

Rateria

Highway Eight wrote:I am a communist puppet

We got him boys, pack it up

Rateria, Highway Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:I am also a communist puppet

Boi

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Boi

How did you know?

Miencraft, Rateria

Post self-deleted by Acelandinisia.

Acelandinisia wrote:I am also a communist puppet
Guys i found him

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

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