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Region: Libertatem
Warning: I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing but my nudity rate keeps rising.
Then you're doing something right
Rateria, The States Of Balloon, Fascist Dred, Terra De Libertatem
Was Jesus black or dark-skinned?
Most likely darker skinned.
Rateria
Considering his place of origin, most probably the kind of dark-skinned you'd see on Mediterranean people.
Rateria
Hey, any chance one of you could link me to the discord server? This website is weird...
Rateria, Libiceland
https://discordapp.com/invite/qut6EPZ
rode into town on an ass.. yo mommas ass
*puts on shades*
The Ambassador To The Clfr, Pugmerica, Rateria
Sorry for the late reply, I was with my girlfriend after class-
What I'm saying that if 95% (according to NASA) of scientists agree that climate change is real after study and research for years and compatible, observable evidence that is available to the public to view, and form that opinion based on those studies and scientific knowledge and every other government and the Pentagon, as well as independent scientific researchers, I will trust them.
Pevvania
Ok, here's what I am going to do. I'll give you a chance to bring me into the light. I'll show you all the holes in Climate Change (f/k/a Global Warming). All you have to do is show me where I went wrong.
This is how Man Made Climate Change appears to be a fraud:
There no funding for anyone that wants to review past work on climate research to date. In fact any suggestion that work should be audited is met with open mouthed shock and horror from the Climate Change crowd.
Anyone expressing a dissenting view, and especially someone with a science background, is immediately attacked on a personal level rather than a point by point rebuttal of their position. These people will even eat their own when they step out of line.[1]
Climate change backers feel it necessary to threaten RICO prosecutions to silence private individuals and businesses publicly disagreeing with the theory of man made climate change.[2] A solid science should not fear criticism of their methods.
Proponents of man made climate change need to control their message while conspiring to bury work that contradicts their findings.[3] Real scientists invite investigation of their work because real scientists would rather be corrected than wrong.
Climate scientists found it necessary to, not once, not twice, but three times (that we know about) cook the books to make the numbers work in their favor.[4][5][6] Solid science does not require "adjustments" to the data to make their theories work in the real world.
What makes those same scientists that told us those same greenhouse gasses were going to bring on the next ice age are anymore right today than they were 30 years ago?
The only scientist to accurately predict temperature trends and changes over the last 20 years is Dr. Don Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus of Geology at Western Washington University. He is not a climate scientist, but a geologist who says it is all about the ocean currents.[7][8][9] Yet even though history is still proving Dr. Easterbook right, the global warming crowd vilifies him at every turn.
The world was far hotter in the past without all those SUV's and coal fired plants putting all those greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.[10] What's up with that?
Even the same government agencies cannot agree on what is happening in the climate let alone what is causing it.[11]
Universities are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars in "green" patents while still doing research to prove those patents are needed.[12] Don't you think there is a problem with an institution raking in millions of dollars on a subject they also research the validity of?
Here's the deal. It is going to take more than a bunch of discredited scientists to convince me the costs in freedom and money being forced on myself and industry in this nation are justified.
If you and the rest of these people want me to buy into this con game, here's what you do:
Fund a clean paper reboot of the research. Look at all of it. Geothermal effects, the sun, the oceans and even man made greenhouse gas. Use that information to produce experiments that can be duplicated in any lab. (No cold fusion allowed.) Have that research publicly documented every step of the way. No secrets.
If that research verifies that humans are causing Global Warming, then I'll go along with it.
Until that time, pulling out of all these "green" treaties is the right thing to do. All they do is tilt the economic playing field way from the United States.
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[1] http://www.wsj.com/articles/my-unhappy-life-as-a-climate-heretic-1480723518
[2] http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/20/has-von-spakovsky-prosecuting-climate-change-denie/
[3] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jul/07/hacked-climate-emails-analysis
[4] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/04/AR2009120404511.html
[5] http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/20/warming-lull-since-18-haunts-climate-change-authors.html
[6] http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/11/29/climategate-ii-more-smoking-guns-from-the-global-warming-establishment/#2fa1ddba3a6b
[7] http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/climate-scientist-who-got-it-right-predicts-20-more-years-global
[8] http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/07/18/climate-catastrophe-cancelled-geologist-debunks-noaa-climate-report-point-by-point/
[9] http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny
[10] http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm
[11] http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
[12] This is an abbreviated list of lucrative green house gas and carbon abatement patents held by universities pushing the climate fraud on us. They are worth billions of dollars. Want more? Google.
http://research.ua.edu/2015/03/scrubbing-co2-a-patented-alternative-for-capturing-emissions/
https://newscenter.nmsu.edu/Articles/view/10964/nmsu-researcher-s-patented-tech-could-significantly-cut-co2-emissions
http://phys.org/news/2013-08-professor-granted-patent-carbon-capture.html
http://discover.umn.edu/news/environment/university-minnesota-startup-offers-game-changing-energy-solutions-reduce-co2
http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/DavidBonilla_Innovation.pdf
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/100125ShaverBiodiesel.html
http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/patents/165/
http://www.cmu.edu/homepage/global/2007/winter/controlling-carbon-emissions.shtml
http://www.lehigh.edu/~inenr/research/patents.html
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order, Pulceria
> tmw your name Jeff
That's a great post
Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria
If you have people speculating as to whether your character is autistic or not, you've done something wrong.
Libiceland
I believe in man-made climate change. But that was the mother of all climate change posts and gives me plenty to think about.
Libiceland
Update: I still don't know what I'm doing but I'm slowly taking away personal rights and boosting my economy through any means possible.
Pulceria
So really, if I legalize drugs in Pulceria, what is the proof that drug use will go up.
Has anyone herd of the fiasco with the prohibition area.
This is basically on-par with some of those posts on tumblr that just absolutely demolish feminists.
Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland
I'm not even in this argument but holy sh*t
Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland
I guess more people will admit to drug use? I dunno. Might as well just legalize them anyways because banning stuff just causes more problems.
Rateria, Pulceria
- Actually, there's a lot of funding for climate research. Including NASA, the Pentagon, and the EPA.
- I don't agree with ad hominem, and I don't think it's exclusive to the climate change debate.
- Again, not exclusively with climate change. Liberals want to ban free speech and jail anyone who doesn't agree with them. That doesn't negate the scientific research.
- I don't agree with what these scientists did and yet again, I don't think it negates every other scientific research paper.
- Actually we are technically in an ice age, however, there's a different between overall climate.
- He didn't accurately predict it? He said that temperatures would decreae by 2005 yet temperatures have been increasing year by year for last few decades.
- The world wasn't hotter without green house gases. Overall temperatures have been rising at a rate of 1.53 F since 1880 (https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/how-much-has-global-temperature-risen-last-100-years)
- That's not true; they don't agree the rate man is contributing, but they all agree that carbon emissions play a factor.
- Yes. I do.
Campaigned with the Tories today. Great success, many doors delivered. Election is looking good. Time to MAKE BRITAIN SLIGHTLY OK AGAIN!
Narland, Humpheria, Terra De Libertatem
Funding for research != funding for review of existing research
The Ambassador To The Clfr
Why should the government fund for someone to review research? Someone can do that on their own time. They already had research. Also:
http://www.protectingeducation.org/sites/default/files/attachments/research_agenda.pdf
I'm so proud of my little campaigner
Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Libiceland
You review it to make sure that it's legit and the findings can be reproduced. If you just do a study and the study finds something, that doesn't mean anything unless you can go through what they did - and make sure everything they did was legit, which it isn't in the case of a lot of these climate "scientists" - and get the same results.
Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Of course it means something. If you do research, find a conclusion, then publish it, it's totally legitimate. Independent researchers should be the one reviewing it. Otherwise according to you, the review would be bias because of the government funding, it would just give them more way to do their agenda, right? You're literally arguing this:
"I don't trust the government researching climate change because they might have a political agenda"
"Well, they're just doing their job as scientific researchers. Besides, independent researchers can review their studies."
"They aren't even receiving government funding!"
No, the counter to your argument was that nobody's being incentivized to review existing climate research - in fact, the opposite is occurring; people who want to go back and review previous findings are vilified.
Meanwhile, money continues to be poured into people who will support the government's favored conclusion, which is that man causes climate change.
If those people are getting federal research incentive, then it stands to reason that the people who are going to conduct reviews of their studies should also get federal research incentive.
Either that, or nobody should be getting federal money at all (which is my overall position - no scientists should ever be given government money for anything, ever).
The United States Of Patriots
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=790813
I know y'all are dealing with more important matters, but you can make claims now.
Pugmerica
Post self-deleted by Terra De Libertatem.
1) If the government is going to give money to people who are going into research trying to support their position, the least they can do is give money to people who are going to double-check that stuff so they don't seem corrupt. It's about image, really. If you're just giving money to the guys on one side that are exclusively supporting the conclusion you want, that definitely looks shady.
2) Source 1 on that big post.
The United States Of Patriots
What? That doesn't even make sense in your argument. If you say the government is fulfilling their political agenda in their research, why should the government review their research? Wouldn't it make more sense to have independent researchers review it? Also, how are they villified? Most of them come up with the same conclusions as NASA and the EPA. Including that article I sent you as well as the scientific consensus.
Well, let me ask you this- should the government be involved in finding threats to national security?
So, because the government is bias when researching the first time, we should have them do it a second time. Makes complete sense.
No. It's not about image at all. It's about science and whether man made contributions are a threat to our world.
For the government, it absolutely is about image. The man-made climate change myth is a fearmongering campaign propagated by the government to make sure they get their way. They don't care about real science. You have a mountain of sources right there.
The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred
It's a fear mongering campaign? Then why do independent researchers come to the same conclusion?
The tories are crap but anything to stop Corbyn I guess
Pevvania
Do you have research completed by people with 0 ties to any government organizations?
The United States Of Patriots
I like pie. I bake pies. My poor people will never eat my pie.
Your people don't deserve your pie anyways.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/science/global-warming-climate-change-man-made-scientific-consensus-study-a6982401.html%3Famp
That's not a study. That's a news outlet saying that 97% of scientists believe man-made climate change. And as we already covered, consensus does not make something true.
The United States Of Patriots
So, you don't trust 97% of scientists making an educated opinion on their studies?
I trust unbiased research from scientists with absolutely 0 connection to anything related to the government, is what I trust. It's a logical fallacy to assume a consensus automatically means the thing about which everyone agrees is true.
Citizens of Libertatem,
I hereby announce my withdrawal from the election for the Senate, Seat 4. Thank you for the opportunity to serve in the Senate.
Humph
Pevvania
Guys, need some help with the [B]History of Libertatem[/B].
I need exact dates for who was president and for how long from April 2016 (Right-Winged Nation's resignation) and Minerva stepping down for Hyderbourg on May 1st 2017. Chop chop!
Rateria
[B]Statement[/B]
It was an honour serving with my friend Humpheria in yet another capacity - Senate colleague. In these past few weeks, he has worked diligently to help create a Senate that is transparent, organised and fair. I and the rest of my colleagues wish him well.
Humpheria, Rateria, Libiceland, Terra De Libertatem
I nominate Bows Othen to the new senate seat. Don't worry you're totally not voting for me. Hah- see?
Rateria, Hyderbourg
I announce my withdrawal from the election fron Seat 1, and officially declare my candidacy for Seat 4. I look foward to the election and a good campaign against the current senator and opposition to me. I feel that I have shown myself to be a hard worker.
I worked in the State Department and as my opponent noted during my debated nomination of AG, despite having my own personal disagreements with the work of the State Department, I chose to work there for the betterment of the region and to dedicate myself to the reform of the government for a more independent Senate.
I myself have started my own political party, however, in this election I will be running as an Independent and declare the Rainbow Party void as a legitimate party and concede as chairman. I feel independent voices will be good for this region.
I am most well known for my previous campaign for the Senate, where I was noted to run a vigorous campaign against Humph and gained a lot of respect. In an effort to show my dedication to the people of this region, I declined his offer of concession of Seat 4 in the Senate.
While I note my rebellious qualities, I feel that it is more than exceptional that we have an independent voice in government who is willing to debate for what they feel is right no matter the establishment's position, and who at the same time remains respectful and dedicated to the works of the government as an effort of cooperation to benefit this region.
I thank all of you, and I hope I can recieve your support.
Pevvania, Rateria, Hyderbourg, Libiceland
Post self-deleted by The Aradites.
Mr. Speaker,
I submit my resignation from the Fourth Seat of the Senate of the Second Republic of Libertatem. It has been an honor to serve. I also resign the position of Speaker Pro Tempore.
In Service,
Humpheria
Pevvania, Rateria, The Aradites
Condealism has been a staple and political leader of this region for longer than I've even resided here.
For that reason, it is an absolute travesty for me to announce that last night he disclosed to all high ranking generals of the Libertatem Armed Forces that he would be resigning from the game and his post.
Condealism was a leader unlike any other and as Chancellor of State orchestrated both the merger that occurred with the International Republic Union and the ongoing merger with the Central Pacific Empire. He recently authored the HOLIDAY Act and has served as president of the First Republic. He is a public servant deserving of nothing but respect for the time and effort he put forth into improving this region.
He will be missed.
Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The Aradites, Libiceland, Inissbeln
I published the factbook "Office of the First President" 319 days ago. Therefore, we can assume I became President on July 19, 2016, one month and a day after the ratification of the Constitution - which is weird because I'm fairly sure that doesn't line up with being the last full week of the month. I would have served for four months, handing control over to Minerva on the 26th of November 2016.
That is, of course, assuming that I published the factbook at the same time I was elected.
You gotta be a citizen to run.
Rateria
I think there should be a suspension of new citizens until the senatorial elections are finished due to concerns of voter fraud and security.
Humpheria, Rateria
I am proud to endorse Terra de Libertatem to be my successor in the Senate!
Pevvania, Rateria, Terra De Libertatem
Senator, I accept your resignation.
[B]Another Announcement[/B]
As Founder of the Reaganist Libertarian Party, I along with Chairman [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] hereby declare that the RLP will endorse [nation=short]Terra de Libertatem[/nation]'s bid to replace our Chairman as Senator of Seat 4.
Out of the two candidates, Terra aligns most closely with our platform of peace through strength, libertarian principles and active governance. He is also the most active candidate and a consistent contributor to the region. We are proud to endorse him over the honourable Senator Sucking.
Rateria, Libiceland
I accept the RLP's endorsement, and I would like to make it very clear that I will personally not engage in any personal attacks or slander.
Rateria
In the midst of Condealism's resignation I know we are all confused and scared.
Yet there is one person who has handled not only this situation with composure, but who has handled everything in a calm and successful manner.
He is innovative, yet experienced.
He is professional, yet passionate.
He is kind, yet firm.
For Condealism's replacement I would like to announce a candidate who has served as President of Libertatem and is currently a Senator, a General of the highest standing, and the chairman of the most successful political party in the history of the region.
I am proud to announce Humpheria as my nomination.
Hyderbourg
Pevvania, Rateria, Libiceland, Terra De Libertatem
I am proud to accept the President's nomination to fill the large hole left by Condealism as Vice President and Chancellor of State. I look forward to presenting myself to the Senate for my confirmation hearings. And I hope to have the support of the region in this appointment.
Rateria, The Aradites, Hyderbourg, Fascist Dred, Libiceland, Terra De Libertatem
Alright, how do I become a citizen?
Post self-deleted by Miencraft.
There are some requirements. You don't meet the requirements.
You apply to the Chancellor of Interior. However, due to regional security threats, new citizenships are suspended until the elections are over. You'll have to run next time
[B]Another one[/B]
The Senate is being called into a special session to process the nomination of Humpheria for these positions.
It has become apparent to us that the structure of the Senate and the process of nomination are deeply flawed. It is extremely scary to see that the process of nomination of one party is solely depended on the subjective opinions and views of two member states.
Republic Of Minerva
Well, you're really not in a position to say that, and more importantly, nations have to be residents for five days first and that nation hasn't even been here a full day yet.
Rateria
The Senate literally just works like
1) Pick a seat to run for
2) Say you're running for it
3) Get elected
Rateria
What do you mean I'm not in a position? I was just telling him what's going on.
Well, no officials have announced citizenship is on hold right now, so...
Still, point is he doesn't qualify for citizenship so even if it were open - which we're not really sure of until Patriots (or Hyderbourg) confirms that it's on hold - he wouldn't be able to get citizenship
Dates have been fixed in Libertatem History page.
Miencraft, Rateria
I have been told that, I was just saying what I knew
BREAKING: Senator Sanding asks two questions to VP-designate Humpheria, including "how do we know you won't betray the people again?"
Rateria, Terra De Libertatem
MY NAME IS SUPTING
Libiceland
Agreed
Terra De Libertatem
[B]BREAKING: HUMPHERIA CONFIRMED BY SENATE AS CHANCELLOR OF STATE, 4-0, AND VICE PRESIEDNT, 3-0[/B]
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Thank you for your support, and I look forward to continuing to serve this region and her people.
Humpheria
Vice President
Pevvania, Rateria, Terra De Libertatem
I think that motion passed. So when do elections end?
Elections need to start first.
And that's not really a motion that can pass. Neither the President nor Chancellor of Interior have publicly announced a freeze on citizenship, which would be required to actually freeze citizenship.
Is that you, Baxten?
Congratulations, Mr. Vice President.
Anything Pug = Baxten
Pugmerica, Rateria
I'm really gonna miss Condy
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
No clue
Me too
Me too...I've known him since I was in 7th grade (3 years ago). I really hope he decides to come back.
I really think we should set up a memorial for Condy like what he did with Burleson all those years ago
Rateria
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=430900
this is what I am referencing
As am I. Condy's been my friend ever since I've started playing. I hope to God that he is okay. It's not like him to just suddenly leave.
Rateria, Terra De Libertatem
So with Condy leaving, I think I am going to take a hiatus from NS for a day or two. I am not leaving the senate race either, I just need to think things over.
Rateria, Terra De Libertatem
Sure hope you don't leave too. We are all mourning differently, but you've become an essential part of this region and I don't think I can bear to lose two people so soon.
Rateria, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order, Terra De Libertatem
If you have any questions concerning my positions or my campaign, I'm happy to answer them
[B]Office of the Vice President
[I] Vice President Humpheria
Our region has suffered a great loss. To honor the predecessor of this office and the man, the myth, and the legend himself, the Office of the Vice President will be sponsoring a memorial ceremony tomorrow at 2PM EST on the Discord. During this time, citizens will also be encouraged to post their memories and respects on the RMB. The President and Speaker will be invited to eulogize the great public servant. All are invited and all are asked to share their memories of Condealism. This is a great blow to the region, lets come together to say goodbye to a giant gone too soon.
Humph
Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order, Terra De Libertatem
I was lucky enough to work as an advisor to him in the State Department and he taught me a lot.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Actually I don't know if you remember, but I made an announcement suspending new citizens in light of the Communisim case.
The United States Of Patriots, Terra De Libertatem
Oh, that's from a while ago, then.
Condy is leaving?
Republic Of Minerva
I feel like since I showed up people started dropping like flies. Do I smell that bad?
Don't worry, I will be here. I just need some time to think everything over. Thank you for the concern though, I'm happy that I'm liked here!
As for the service tomorrow, I will be there. Condy has taught me basically everything I know about NS, so it would be selfish of me to not be there. I will probably be posting much less for a bit, but don't worry about me.
I would also like to add that the ACA will be working to create a memorial in honor of Condy, and I invite everyone that has any especially memorable experiences with Condy, to please send them to me for use in the memorial. If you are interested in helping, please TG as many of Condy's friends and associates as possible and ask if they would like to contribute a story or whatever they'd like.
Lastly, sorry for rambling, this is a tough time for me and I'm on mobile so formatting is pretty much impossible.
The ACA is super old. And super irrelevant, to be fair.
ALT.
CENTRIST.
ALLIANCE.
Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria, Fascist Dred
My mistake lol. I thought you were referring to the region of ACA.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Alright, I have decided on having pie for dinner... Everyone is mandated to eat pie for dinner in my country.
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