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Region: Libertatem
did not mean for this to come out as a "father knows best state" at all...
But Pevvania, what if there was no "government".
But government is great.. as long as it is not stepping its boundries
It ALWAYS over steps its boundaries.
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Government is a necessary evil. The Founders recognised this.
Now Pevv I disagree with your tax plan simply because it favours the poor over the rich and in sense it's economical discrimination because your taxing the "rich" more than the "poor" and you would have to define what rich is. Another plan is 9.9.9 by Herman Cain which is a 9% federal income tax, a 9% federal sales tax, and a 9% federal property tax.
Necessary evil? At what cost can we tolerate necessary evil? Must the evil kill half of mankind before we can recognize that it is NOT necessary and rather a hindrance to human flourishment? The state is the most lethal disease in the history of mankind.
Government is necessary to keep order and allow some sort of leadership. The Founders knew government is necessary but I believe they also supported a limited one which is why we had the Articles of Confederacy I do believe which gave us a larger state government? I haven't studied the Articles in years so I'm a bit rusty.
yes the federal government basically was just nothing under the article of confederation which is why in order to ensure the survival of the union the constitution was written because with the articles the union was falling apart.
Thank you for helping me clearify on that and welcome to Libertatem Bindy.
thanks
Snab, government is necessary for national defense, taking care of the truly needy (i.e. people with disabilities) and law and order. Without government, there would be anarchy. And although I'd much prefer anarchy to a totalitarian state, the right balance between order and freedom should be found for a stable and healthy society.
*hint hint* maybe we should go back to the way the founding fathers meant it to be when they wrote the constitution *hint hint*
Thank you, [nation=short]The Constitutional Land of Freedom[/nation], for giving me the recipe to make an awesome Shenandoah Apple Cake! :) It didn't turn out the way I expected because I forgot to get the right pan, but it tasted great.
http://i.imgur.com/5RSdHkt.jpg
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ISA, my tax plan is transitional, but nevertheless I think it's just wrong that the poor pay anything out of their income. Families like mine can afford to pay more, while many households struggle to make ends meet. I only think progressive tax plans are wrong if the top rate is built to squeeze the wealth out of a person. Because despite what liberals say, wealthy people are human beings too.
I also like the 9/9/9 rate.
I still believe a 10% flat income tax is the fairest to everyone of all incomes.
Pev - Lol thanks. It looks a bit odd how it turned out, so hopefully there wasn't a mistake in the recipe (usually it looks like bit.ly/19HiBZp that)! Either way, glad it tastes good. :)
Oh wow xD Well, as long as it tastes good I'm happy.
Agreed, ISA.
Dang. I wish my family would let me try cooking that.
Why not?
So guys, what are your opinions on healthcare? Should it be state-funded? State-subsidised? Or should the private sector take care of it?
I wouldn't get rid of the NHS here in the UK, but I think that the Libertarian Party have the right idea to push for fully tax-deductible medical expenses for those who don't have an un-taxed medical savings account.
On Chatzy.
Get the government out of healthcare and let people buy insurance across state lines so it will increase competition and drive down costs.
Moreover, get the government out of education. Or, at the very least, abolish compulsory education, remove zoning restrictions (in other words, allow parents to send their children to whatever school they want regardless of neighborhood), and use a voucher system to enable the poor to attend some private schools (and make up for the cost of vouchers by tearing down the least effective public schools).
I'm scared that if we voucherize education it would become a bloated federal expenditure. I say abolish the Department of Education and let the local governments handle their own education in their counties.
im homeschooled and no lets NOT voucherize education in any way
Personally I don't even see why the government is involved with education. Terminate the public government schools, let the private ones stay and fees go down with the rise of competition, and allow more freedom for homeschoolers such as myself.
I hear what you're saying, but the fact is we can't slide the rug out from poor people like that. School choice brings them a step closer to opportunity and everyone a step closer to freedom.
Well, I'm not calling for sudden change. *Ideally*, though, that ^^ is how I view it should be.
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The states already handle it (the feds aren't as involved as many think they are), but ironically they are all doing just about the exact same thing. Status quo is their god, I guess.
My mistake.
I would like to announce that I am drafting the PROCESS Amendment, my proposed fourth and final (hopefully) constitutional contribution to the region. So far I only have the objective of the act written, and I would appreciate feedback. (And, yes, I've already made up my mind to make the Board democratic but not the Manager positions. It's a good idea that has roots in obscure but effective business models.)
I would also like to announce that I wish to be re-assigned to Manager of the State, and would fully endorse The Constitutional Land of Freedom to be my replacement for Internal Affairs.
For more details on either, ask questions. (Captain Obvious)
Libertatem,
The United Counties of Maine (The Pine Tree State) wishes to join in the fight against communism. I came over from the ACA and I am sick and tired of all these commies running around here, there and everywhere.
Bayonets, Forward!
Yay, we have bayonets!
It sounds good except subsection IV. You were hypocritical in your writings by wanting to remove the founder's powers and make him a citizen, but then you want him to have the final say-so on amendments. I say have the whole region in a period of 3 days vote on whether an amendment passes, stays, or goes.
No, the ability for Liberosia to shorten the constitution is a change that is supposed to occur right as the amendment passes and at no further point (except with other amendments, of course). Perhaps I wasn't clear enough on that point.
Also, good idea, ISA. I'll probably include that in the change in how amendments are passed with the absence of the founder vote.
Libertatem,
Due to unforseen circumstances I must return to the ACA. The UCR wants war.
I'll see you around, death to communism
-- The Pine Tree State
I have also drafted an amendment for the purpose of adjusting the constitution to new circumstances.
I prefer the German Education System and I would like to see America lead towards that goal. Lets talk high speed trains
Idealism your bill has my support
ooooh hiiiigh speeeed
If we want private companies to create these high-speed trains and make the railways then fine, but I would hate to see a penny of government money go to it like so much already does for subsidies.
Good afternoon, Libertatem.
I like both the PROCESS and CAA Amendments, but I'd like to see Chairman of the Board absorbed into Manager of Internal Affairs and an 'emergency powers' clause put into the Constitution for executive use.
Also, I'm on Chatzy.
The chairman of the board position has a vital purpose which is judicial review. We must have that separate from the managers.
Good point, actually. My concern was that the MoIA doesn't have too many unique responsibilities.
Ah, that's true. Perhaps we can fix that.
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Anyone there? Someone go on Chatzy please.
I'll never deal with those foolish chat things if I want to talk to any of you then I can use the RMB or telegrams.
Frankly, anyone who would prefer a balance between clogging our RMB and one-way communication hasn't got it quite right. Chatzy is like an RMB you can clear, and faster to boot.
What Con said.
Also, I really want to hurry up and organise an army for the region, but I can't do that until I get name suggestions.
Libertan Army? Revolutionary Corps? Defenders of Liberty? I need names, guys, then I can start organising volunteers into squads and fireteams.
I humbly suggest MilitiƦ Libertatem
I believe no proper name can be established until honestly we figure out what kind of government we are going to be. It appears we are at the battle lines to fix our current system or introduce a widespread democratic movement. I'm just trying to say a proper name could be established once we settle on this upcoming change we're about to have.
No, we are not introducing a widespread democratic movement. We will introduce some extra democracy into our already-existing business model, but we are not removing the business model. Clear?
Speaking of which, I have finished drafting the PROCESS Amendment and am currently accepting potential revisions.
Also, do note that the proposed democratic change is not radical or far-reaching. With the removal of two Board positions, there will be an equal number of fairly elected seats and fairly appointed seats, both in place to encourage regional activity. Because of the more destructive effects of democracy, the Board will no longer have any powers the Managers do not have, and by use of a 2/3 majority vote cannot make changes without the approval of at least one Manager (with the possible exception of legislation, though such is unlikely). Furthermore, our founder wanted to introduce democracy before he decided to take leave from the government, so I think it best we respect his wishes.
Well I personally think your move doesn't go far enough. I'm a big supporter of democratic-republics and the more democracy we have the better. I hate how a select few pick people based on their own opinion and it's time we have a change. You can call me a radical if you wish because I will pick up that badge and wear it with pride.
Snabagag thinks it's going too far. This is a classic example of "can't please anyone".
This region is not a republic, and if it were it would not run due to idiosyncrasies exclusive to the region. You can wear that badge into a Board position if the amendment passes, but remember that getting a promotion is not an easy matter.
Trust me when that election for a board position comes up I'll be the first to announce that I'll be running under the Christian Libertarian Party.
...Liberosia needs to update the darn factbook. It's the Reaganist Libertarian Party now. (I'd pencil you down as a Democratic-Republican Party kinda guy, myself - you do love democracy.)
(Also, there's no more Right Party due to legislation we passed in Liberosia's absence, so don't ask to join that one.)
The only problem with the Democratic-Republican Party is that I'm no moderate. I do support democracy extensively but I have a very extremist economic ideology to some people and I can be very extreme on issues like abortion and marijuana.
It says moderates AND democracy advocates, but you might be right. Anyway, what is your extreme economic ideology?
I have a whole list of my ideas in my Personal Political Beliefs factbook and I encourage people to read it and give me their feedback.
...I read it over, and I must say that I agree on a lot of points, even to the extent that I don't think you go quite far enough.
I would love it if you would tell me more about that in the telegrams or something, but certainly not this chat thing.
Right. So, everyone, look over the PROCESS Amendment and tell me if you see any problems.
CI, make a new Factbook for the parties!
So let me get this straight, the delegate appoints the board members based on the popular vote in a board election? I also notice how the delegate gains a lot more power than any other official and I think we need to institute some more checks-and-balances into the government so if Snabagag, or someone else that became the delegate , couldn't go crazy with all the power without being kicked out. I also think ( i must think a lot but that seems to be good ) that if we're going to shorten the constitution, please shorten the amendments.
On it, Liberosia.
The Delegate is the guy with access to the WFE and essentially acts as the CEO; it's natural he'd have about as much power as the entire Board put together. Naturally, we can pass legislation that can limit his powers if we so choose (there's already clauses in the constitution for that), and if you have any specific suggestions for clauses in the amendment I could edit to not give the Delegate power, do tell me. (Besides, if a Delegate did go crazy, realistically Liberosia would have to temporarily step in and clean up the mess. That isn't very likely to happen, though.)
The amendments merely explain what's going on. They aren't physically added to the constitution, or otherwise the constitution's length couldn't be reversed.
UCR will officially lose the war in less than a day, given how ineffective they are. Even the other commies don't seem to like them.
Anyway, the new party factbook is published here.
You want an active nation for the DRP then I'll submit my name for the job.
Congratulations, your company absorbed Rebellands. You gained 50 stock points!
Jk. Transferring control to you now - I recommend making a factbook for it so you can determine its direction.
I will assist the ACA in their defenses for a short time, if anything to deter the commies.
You have threatened us! You publicly threaten us, that is a declaration of war. We declare war on you!
Quantity is war for the fools, so do not even try to use that against us. We will overthrow you and ACA!
Workers of the World, UNITE! UCR! UCR! UCR!
Oh, it's you. Funny story; I was about to go to your region and deliver a message to you.
For once I must say, screw my non-interventionism and I urge that we whipe their region out of NS. Also CI in my politics section of the factbook I have a DRP section you can view.
Not so fast, ISA. They're playing a coward's role, and I will offer them an alternative that will inevitably leave them just a bit less humiliated.
We shouldn't give communists any sympathy, we must go to many lengths to destroy them with no regrets.
Their delegate slot does not have executive powers. War with them is useless because we won't be provoked to attack and they won't be able to breach our defenses. It will accomplish nothing and waste the time of the nations on both sides.
A debate, on the other hand, is a war we might be able to win. Or they could, assuming they actually possess a knowledge of inductive reasoning...which I doubt.
Anyway, I'd best be getting off now.
Talking to a communist won't do us much good. Their brains are obviously fried and we should aid our like-minded friends in destroying them.
Marxists can be very knowledgable people...
...the problem is, all their knowledge is wrong.
haahaa thats a good one! I love you all!
with love,
Sir Doctor Lord Emperor Commander Astronaut Space Explorer Time Traveling Warrior Hero Covan
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if i had more time i would have much fun in such adebate
Guys, what are your thoughts on my posts on the UCR message board, especially this one: http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3804395
finally not a police state anymore
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I don't think we can trust you honestly. Ever since a brain-dead communist entered here screaming obscenities you could easily be working for them as a puppet.
So, how's the "war" coming along?
My comment was targeted at that Korean Peninsula but what are you talking about CI?
Anyone there?
Yes
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