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Hermesgrad wrote:sooo the labour party, whats up with that eh?

The UK one? Idk, ask Pev. He's currently in the UK and more attune to their politics.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I wish that the Republican, Libertarian, and Constitution Party's formed a Coalition.

i thought the US was a 2 party state?

Hermesgrad wrote:i thought the US was a 2 party state?

It's effectively a two party state due to first past the post.

If the Libertarian Party and libertarian Republicans were to (re)unite, the LPUSA would have enough votes to break the 5% and officially become a third party alongside the Reps and Dems, and also be invited to the national debates.

The Reps know this and in order to monopolize the voting block, keep Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates on their side by offering them positions (but never grant them the opportunity to become president)

so republicans and democrats have denominations, kinda like Christianity?

Hermesgrad wrote:i thought the US was a 2 party state?

It is, but the US has at least hundreds of small parties.

The two biggest parties after the Republicans and Democrats are the Libertarians and the Greens.

Hermesgrad wrote:so republicans and democrats have denominations, kinda like Christianity?

Factions, not demoninitions.

The Republican Party is effectively a coalition.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If the Libertarian Party and libertarian Republicans were to (re)unite, the LPUSA would have enough votes to break the 5% and officially become a third party alongside the Reps and Dems, and also be invited to the national debates.

The Reps know this and in order to monopolize the voting block, keep Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates on their side by offering them positions (but never grant them the opportunity to become president)

Indeed, the GOP may even need to become more libertarian as to avoid the defection concerns.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I wish that the Republican, Libertarian, and Constitution Party's formed a Coalition.

That would be nice, but the mainstream Republican Party is full of authoritarian hypocrites who prioritise denying rights to gays and expanding the military-industrial complex over downsizing government.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Libertarians are arguably one of the Republicans dependent voter blocks, and alongside the Christian Right, Rockefeller Republicans, the Tea Party, and other factions, and arguably make up about 15-20% of the Republic Party, or one fifth.

Perhaps even more than that. CPAC was attended overwhelmingly by libertarian Republicans.

Hermesgrad wrote:sooo the labour party, whats up with that eh?

It's full of incompetents. But they're not an outright socialist party anymore, thank God.

The Serbian Empire wrote:In some places like Indiana, the libertarians may be as much as 25% of the Republican Party with the Christian Right being the main wheel. Michigan has a lot of those Rockefeller kind.

The 'Ron Paul wing' of the party actually took over the Iowa GOP a few years ago. It's a real thorn in the side of the RNC.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If the Libertarian Party and libertarian Republicans were to (re)unite, the LPUSA would have enough votes to break the 5% and officially become a third party alongside the Reps and Dems, and also be invited to the national debates.

The Reps know this and in order to monopolize the voting block, keep Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates on their side by offering them positions (but never grant them the opportunity to become president)

That'd be tough. One of the LP's biggest challenges has been learning how to successfully mobilise.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If the Libertarian Party and libertarian Republicans were to (re)unite, the LPUSA would have enough votes to break the 5% and officially become a third party alongside the Reps and Dems, and also be invited to the national debates.

The Reps know this and in order to monopolize the voting block, keep Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates on their side by offering them positions (but never grant them the opportunity to become president)

But then the Democrats would win alot of elections because of the split

The Serbian Empire wrote:Indeed, the GOP may even need to become more libertarian as to avoid the defection concerns.

They'd have to say good-bye to the Fundies and Moderates then, although it might come to that.

The only thing that worries me is that the Democrats would absorb even them. However, I doubt the Dems, despite their "stability," could effectively balance all factions from the blue dogs to the socialists.

Pevvania wrote:

It's full of incompetents. But they're not an outright socialist party anymore, thank God.

Ikr? the torys and labour are the same thing, they are selfish and dont benefit anyone, the liberal democrats are even worse. UKIP is not perfect but they are the only ones that are any different.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:They'd have to say good-bye to the Fundies and Moderates then, although it might come to that.

The only thing that worries me is that the Democrats would absorb even them. However, I doubt the Dems, despite their "stability," could effectively balance all factions from the blue dogs to the socialists.

The social aspect might be needed to pry many more socially liberal individuals. The fundies aren't a winning formula outside of the Deep South.

Are there any bourbon Democrats left? They could be good recruits to the Libertarian Party.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Are there any bourbon Democrats left? They could be good recruits to the Libertarian Party.

They all died off after the 30s and became Welfare Socialists.

Meh, if I were a citizen of the UK, I'd probably vote UKIP, although I utterly hate their social policies, xenophobia, and rampant protectionism.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Meh, if I were a citizen of the UK, I'd probably vote UKIP, although I utterly hate their social policies, xenophobia, and rampant protectionism.

Their not xenophobic they just think we should be more like Australia and should be able to choose the most usefull immigrants to us and not just let everyone in. the uks debt is worth something like 900% of our total GDP, things aint too good.

Hermesgrad wrote:Their not xenophobic they just think we should be more like Australia and should be able to choose the most usefull immigrants to us and not just let everyone in. the uks debt is worth something like 900% of our total GDP, things aint too good.

That's because of all the wars and the years that the Labour party was in power.

The Amarican Empire wrote:That's because of all the wars and the years that the Labour party was in power.

it annoyed me that they still say they are for the working class, you couldn't get further from the truth. i hope we dont ever get a coalition government again the conservatives and lib dems where terrible.

So the cord that charges this laptop broke, and the laptop only has like half an hour of battery life.

Good thing I'm going back home tomorrow anyways. Heh.

What do you want to see happen today?

With the adoption of the new policies in the Board, any Board member can propose a vote rather than just a Chairman. All Board members should be taking suggestions on changes to the region.

Can someone explain the government here?

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Can someone explain the government here?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=246733

Baphometus wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=246733

Merci beaucoup, monsieur. Vous les gens sont tellement gentils!

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Qui est le président?

Pevvania e' il presidente, signore.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Qui est le président?

Le président est Pevvania. Je suis le vice-président et je suis actuellement sans opposition de monter au bureau à la fin de ce mois.

This amendment that you are voting on, is it essentially saying that you can kick anyone out without apparent reason?

HEIL CITE DE SAINT MICHELE.

SIE SEHEN MICH ROLLEN, SIE HASSEN.

http://danthemantrivia.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/vw-van.jpg

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:This amendment that you are voting on, is it essentially saying that you can kick anyone out without apparent reason?

I don't know for sure and have withdrawn my vote out of concern for the time being.

Wouaw, c'est pas facile de deviner ta nationalité en tout cas...

Amoroff wrote:HEIL CITE DE SAINT MICHELE.

SIE SEHEN MICH ROLLEN, SIE HASSEN.

http://danthemantrivia.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/vw-van.jpg

Sale tête de kraut allemand.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Wouaw, c'est pas facile de deviner ta nationalité en tout cas...

Parlez-vous de moi?

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Sale tête de kraut allemand.

Sind Sie verrückt, Bruder?

Ha ha ha

Humpheria wrote:Le président est Pevvania. Je suis le vice-président et je suis actuellement sans opposition de monter au bureau à la fin de ce mois.

Google translate LOL.

But I'm sure he appreciated the effort.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Google translate LOL.

But I'm sure he appreciated the effort.

جوجل ترجمة هذا، الكلبات.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Parlez-vous de moi?

Affirmatif. Tu es Normand ?

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Google translate LOL.

But I'm sure he appreciated the effort.

Hahaha

Amoroff wrote:جوجل ترجمة هذا، الكلبات.

Bạn có mùi Đức, quay trở lại hầm bẩn thỉu của bạn.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Affirmatif. Tu es Normand ?

Non, je viens d'Aquitaine. Bordeaux.

And to complete, I fart in your general directionnnnn

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:And to complete, I fart in your general directionnnnn

Ja ha ha.

Mont Saint Michel is a lovely place, though. My name comes from Ville Saint Michel in Montreal.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Affirmatif. Tu es Normand ?

Have you ever been there to see the tides?

Ok. Bah bienvenue à Libertatem. J'espère que tu t'y plairas, même si ici on est plutôt libertariens, or je vois que tu as interdit l'entreprise privée.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Bạn có mùi Đức, quay trở lại hầm bẩn thỉu của bạn.

NEIN NEIN NEIN

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Ok. Bah bienvenue à Libertatem. J'espère que tu t'y plairas, même si ici on est plutôt libertariens, or je vois que tu as interdit l'entreprise privée.

Liberalisten und neokonservativen

The ammendment above is not stating we can kick anyone out for any apparent reason.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Ok. Bah bienvenue à Libertatem. J'espère que tu t'y plairas, même si ici on est plutôt libertariens, or je vois que tu as interdit l'entreprise privée.

That was actually the funniest thing. I have no idea why I have anti-business policies, I am a capitalist. My nation's description does a very poor job of representing my real views.

Party system is privatized. That may have good or bad consequences, depending what you believe.

First libertarians, or early liberals, were all French. Bastiat is almost like the Marx of libertarians.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:This amendment that you are voting on, is it essentially saying that you can kick anyone out without apparent reason?

If you are not a citizen.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:The ammendment above is not stating we can kick anyone out for any apparent reason.

Ist gut, ja?

The Amarican Empire wrote:Are there any bourbon Democrats left? They could be good recruits to the Libertarian Party.

Unfortunately no, but you do get a few Democrats with good, if not great, fiscal policies. Jerry Brown was a fairly conservative governor during his first two terms in the 70s and 80s and oversaw significant decreases in the tax burden. Bill Richardson was the Democratic Governor of New Mexico and proceeded to gut taxes and spending, even more so than his predecessor Gary Johnson. The Blue Dogs were also a thing for many years until they began to die out in the 90s.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Meh, if I were a citizen of the UK, I'd probably vote UKIP, although I utterly hate their social policies, xenophobia, and rampant protectionism.

This is basically my view on them as well. Despite their disadvantages, they hold some potentially game-changing policy views that would easily win my vote. Bringing back guns and withdrawing from the EU are damn fine policies.

The Amarican Empire wrote:That's because of all the wars and the years that the Labour party was in power.

The deficit and the national debt grew enormously in that period, especially under Brown.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:This amendment that you are voting on, is it essentially saying that you can kick anyone out without apparent reason?

No, just non-citizens. This amendment will make our immigration system more like real world models. Undesirables and militants are deported, while law-abiding residents can apply for citizenship and become subject to trials by law.

Lol

Amoroff wrote:Liberalisten und neokonservativen

JA

Amoroff wrote:Ist gut, ja?

Very, it is a good ammendment.

Pevvania wrote:No, just non-citizens. This amendment will make our immigration system more like real world models. Undesirables and militants are deported, while law-abiding residents can apply for citizenship and become subject to trials by law.

Vous êtes le président?

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Vous êtes le président?

Yes pev is the President.

Please say I translated that correctly*

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:LolJA

"Neoliberalisten"

Our almost retired president.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Yes pev is the President.

Please say I translated that correctly*

Yes, you did. Vous (you) êtes (vous-are) le (masc.-the) président (president)?

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Our almost retired president.

It would appear. When are the elections? Assuming there are elections.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Vous êtes le président?

Oui. J'ai vais allez President de Libertatem depuis October 2013.

Bewerten Freie Demokratische Partei!

DEUTSCHLAND!

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Yes, you did. Vous (you) êtes (vous-are) le (masc.-the) président (president)?

Yes!

Pevvania wrote:Oui. J'ai vais allez President de Libertatem depuis October 2013.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/King_George_I_by_Sir_Godfrey_Kneller,_Bt_(3).jpg

(JK)

-Min

Pevvania wrote:Oui. J'ai vais allez President de Libertatem depuis October 2013.

Vraiment? Vous n'avez pas servi très longtemps.

Amoroff wrote:Bewerten Freie Demokratische Partei!

DEUTSCHLAND!

Yeah, too bad they registered very bad results during the last election.

I fear that the future in Germany without Merkel will be very red, or green-red.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Yeah, too bad they registered very bad results during the last election.

I fear that the future in Germany without Merkel will be very red, or green-red.

Maybe once the Left takes over Europe we will have more rightist immigrants coming from Europe to the United States!

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Vraiment? Vous n'avez pas servi très longtemps.

Terms are four months long. He serving just shy of a year which is a pretty long time in-game.

lefties will never take over europe

Now, I gave Saint the password, who gave it Hermesgrad?

Humpheria wrote:Now, I gave Saint the password, who gave it Hermesgrad?

your WAD

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Yeah, too bad they registered very bad results during the last election.

I fear that the future in Germany without Merkel will be very red, or green-red.

http://m.memegen.com/tzz8qp.jpg

Hermesgrad wrote:lefties will never take over europe

Tomorrow: Lefty conquest of Europe.

Hermesgrad wrote:your WAD

Ah. Okey-dokey.

At least they'll never take Switzerland. Here we all look for them during the hunting season, and they have pretty bad camo, and pretty bad smell too so they are an endangered specie.

Miencraft wrote:Tomorrow: Lefty conquest of Europe.

*fingers in ears* i cant hear you

Hermesgrad wrote:*fingers in ears* i cant hear you

Not really. Most of Europe is slowly drifting rightward. Even Sweden.

Depends on the "right wing" in question. Privatization? Great. Immigration restrictions, nationalism, and general fvckery? No waay.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:At least they'll never take Switzerland. Here we all look for them during the hunting season, and they have pretty bad camo, and pretty bad smell too so they are an endangered specie.

Vous êtes suisse? Beaucoup de francophones là-bas.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Not really. Most of Europe is slowly drifting rightward. Even Sweden.

Depends on the "right wing" in question. Privatization? Great. Immigration restrictions, nationalism, and general fvckery? No waay.

whats wrong with that?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Not really. Most of Europe is slowly drifting rightward. Even Sweden.

Depends on the "right wing" in question. Privatization? Great. Immigration restrictions, nationalism, and general fvckery? No waay.

Yes and the big joke is that most of the time, these " far right political parties " are even more socialists than the actual socialists, on economy. Like in France or Finland.

Yeah, Europe's future smells like sh*t.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Vous êtes suisse? Beaucoup de francophones là-bas.

beaucoup is my second favourite french word

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Vous êtes suisse? Beaucoup de francophones là-bas.

Ouai, environ 22% de la population est native francophone.

Hermesgrad wrote:whats wrong with that?

The first defies the individual's right to move without state interference. The state has no legitimate claim to land, only private individuals do through homesteading (ala Locke).

Privatization goes in hand to hand with less immigration restrictions. As a classical liberal, I attest to this greatly.

Hermesgrad wrote:beaucoup is my second favourite french word

Haha, what's your first?

Nationalism impedes the economy by dividng people and restricting free trading. Where goods don't flow, weapons will. In this case the libertarian must be internationalist.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Yes and the big joke is that most of the time, these " far right political parties " are even more socialists than the actual socialists, on economy. Like in France or Finland.

That is because they are based on Nazism.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Haha, what's your first?

d'accord, its just really nice to say...but so is bibliotheque

Hermesgrad wrote:d'accord, its just really nice to say...but so is bibliotheque

Typical English.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Typical English.

typischen Frosch

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Typical English.

what? the word hey are how you say? good to say.

actually Είμαι Έλληνες og Danske and English :)

Amoroff wrote:typischen Frosch

Kartoffelnsalat !

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Kartoffelnsalat !

Ja, ich will einige haben.

https://mises.org/journals/jls/22_1/22_1_3.pdf

Great read for any 'tarian that has an extra 5 minutes to spare.

"Taking durr jobs"

This is the stupidest argument. A job is not property, a job is a contract. You cannot "own" a job, in any sense of the word, and nobody can "take" your job.

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