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Region: Libertatem
Are you guys from America? Is there a problem with my English? Because no one seems to understand what I'm saying here. All up in arms against what I said, but no one wants to discuss it?
Here how about I justify what your against. We pay for jails because without them we would have criminals running loose doing God knows what. We have public schools because education is a civil right and people with just a high school degree can make more than a person with no schooling or a drop out. We have roads because other people do drive, we need the taxes to repair the road, and I bet some time in a persons life, who doesn't drive, they will either drive or ride in a car and I bet they would much rather have a paived road then dirt and rocks which will destroy their tires.
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To me, and many others, it is a civil right.
Okay, fair enough points on jails and roads and schools but what about everything else? I can't think of anything right now but there are a million things that the government spends our taxes on and it's not fair if we don't use it!
Public pools, skating rinks and other silly crap.
Not trying to be an ass but here's a rebuttal to the above.
We pay for jails because without them we would have criminals running loose doing God knows what"
I have a gun and that's just fine.
because education is a civil right
But not for people without kids, they were already educated, possibly by private means or homeschooled when they were young
because other people do drive
Then let them pay!
I didn't know I helped pay for skating rinks I thought those were in the private sector.
Listen I agree with some of what your saying about the tax system, which is huge by the way. If you really want to change it to benefit the people your advocating for then let your local representative and senator know. It's their job to represent their district/state and the citizens in those areas. If it's a state problem then asks your local legislature or start a petition with like-minded people.
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Our local, and only one, charges us.
If it's a state problem then asks your local legislature or start a petition with like-minded people."
Yes I agree, I just think taxes should be more "personalized" that's the whole point of my statement about birth control.
I'm still waiting on the Founder Mr. Liberosia to tell me what's so "wrong" about my position. And I hope that everyone here agrees that it's not okay to call a woman a "whore" just because she has the guts to inquire about state funded birth control for those who already pay huge amounts of taxes, and feel that they don't use the services provided. No one should be personally attacked for taking a stand.
Slow down there, guys. Please keep debates of this kind in the telegrams, if at all possible.
Well how about this, you might not use provided services but what about your friends, family, or kids? Personally I hate federal and state programs and I'm often attacked for my sink or swim mentality. Though as a side not a believe programs could be better handled at the states, they know what the people need more than the Fed does.
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Sorry CI ( if I may call you that ) It's probobly my fault for my nonstop posts.
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You can call me that. On other sites, people call me Duke, so I guess I can also be addressed in that manner.
^ I meant the CI thing, not a narc.
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On second thought, address me only as "Conservative Idealism" or "Duke".
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Lets not get on the topic of police. My father happens to be an officer, for 16 years he has been, and I don't want you ( Abatael ) arguing with people and getting us into a debate on police.
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Listen all, on the subject of birth control, here is the best policy option. Leave it to the states. When it's at that level, provide absolutely no funding for it (or abortion for that matter). After that, either ban it out right or legalize it. While we're at it, let's just eliminate socialized medicine all together. Another thing, do not force any institution (especially a religious one like the Catholic Church) to give birth control as a benefit: this is 1) a violation of religious freedom and 2) an unhealthy involvement of the government in the private sector of the economy.
Thats a great viewpoint Liberosia.
Thank you very much, ISA.
Hey all, with the approval of the past Board and at the urging of Manager Brauistan, I have decided to implement a party system. I have received ideas for these parties and I have a pretty good idea as to what they will be called, but if you have any more recommendations, I am open for several more hours to new ideas.
Will you be creating a factbook entry on the parties and what they believe in?
Here are the parties in prospect:
1) The Democratic-Republican Party (party for moderates and pro-democracy members; no specific economic ideology)
2) The Libertarian Party (party for libertarian economics; may vary with liberal to conservative social views)
3) The Right Party (all around conservative; mostly social views, with varying economic systems from free market capitalism, to fascist corporatism)
4) The Anti-Communist Party of Libertatem (party assigned to Libertatem residents if no other party is chosen)
I wish to join the Right Party.
I join the Right party
I'll go for the "Democratic-Republican Party".
I can see why. Im Fascist and your not.
Im not Nazi just Fascist.
Lets not insult people based on their political party but on their viewpoints if there is to be a debate, lets show some respect Einsiev so people will look upon the Right Party with admiration.
Oops I had a Joe Biden moment, lets not insult people at all is what I wanted that to come out as.
Im not insulting anyone. Im just saying im Fascist.
Plus, Im Republican.
Joe Biden sucks.
It just seemed a little insulting when this conversation took place
The Republic of Tonakistan:
I'll go for the "Democratic-Republican Party".
The Faschistische Volksunion of Einsiev
I can see why. Im Fascist and your not.
Maybe it's just how I read it and it that it could have came out in a tone that I heard differently from others. Sorry if I misunderstood your wording and if I caused a slight problem.
Please put in your factbooks the party you wish to be a part of so we may know, if you don't have it listed in your factbook, we'll assume you're a member of the Anti-Communist Party of Libertatem.
As I previously stated I stand with the Right, and am fully willing to construct a more detailed manifesto, if one has not already been created by Liberosia. If anyone expressing an interest in the right would like to see a first draft of my own personal states system, it is detailed under my factbook entry, "Generals latest treatise extols the great leap forward- Vicicorporepublicanism". Tell me what you think.
Liberosia please I beg you do not apply his draft of the Right to label our party. I don't think all of us conservatives in the party agree with his system. Perhaps Braustan you and I can telegram eachother over improvements to our party's manifesto if Liberosia allows us to define ourself in more detail.
Looking at the current definition of the right, I believe two groups would fundamentally form, the 'socialist' right (sorry) where I stand, and the 'political' right, where others stand. I stand for a complete destruction of any political freedom, as no politics would exist within the state. Instead, I favour far greater social freedom, though my statistics do not currently suggest this, within corporate control, which acts within the best interests of its income source, the people. Others meanwhile, from what I can see, maintain the opposite view, that political freedom is vital, but social policy must be conservative at best. Within a capitalist economy.
You make a good point but I believe in the institution of a constitution to protect the citizens from an opressive government, like I said we can always debate this via telegram so we do not annoy or bore anyone with our constant back-and-forthing.
This is why no political leaders of parties will be formed until a substantial amount of residents have registered in the party system.
No your fine ISA.
Currently, the Right Party is second only to the ACPL in registration.
[nation=Liberosia] has been copying our ideas in The Federal Islands. We were the ones who came up with the idea of having advisors help the leader of the region. Your Board has been copied from our Congress. We came up with having political parties and these were just copied. Delegate and Vice Delegate are repeats of our Majority Leader and Minority Leader. We were also the first ones to have factbooks about our region in our Founder's factbooks. Libertatem has copied these ideas just because they were good ideas.
If this message is suppressed it will mean a suppression of the truth.
Neutricand, many people use these ideas across all of NationStates. You are simply looking for a reason to hit a below the belt because we are at war with the Federal Islands. I am astounded that the region I was previously a member of would stoop this low in an attack on this region.
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Neutricland, I am going to tell you something very clearly: get out of here.
And also, we are not structured as your government is. We model a corporation, seeing as we have only two democratically elected positions.
A free market corporation though, not an opressive one.
Seeing as no corporation is really oppressive...actually, it's not even a corporation, it's just modeled after one.
Guess what Neutricland? You're banned!
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Like a business correct? You do your job you'll succeed and prevail within the ranks, and if not then your fired.
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@ISA, yeah
@Abatael, I don't want to be credited with suppressing messages without Board approval...also, you got angry when I suppressed a couple of your posts a while back (which I unsuppressed).
Since when are we at war with the Federal Islands? Why have I, Manager of Military affairs, heard about this here?
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It was posted here on the RMB a few days ago.
When my great grandfather purchased his business, which we still own, it had no unions. One day the workers tried to unionize. Instead of giving in, he shut down the whole business for a week or two. Guess what happened? The workers were making no money at all, so there was no union! What a happy story.
I hate unions. They hinder growth and progress.
I want to take this time to acknowlage Mike Huckabee's new book, Dear Chandler Dear Scarlet.
...I feel like I've once again missed something.
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Really? The introduction of a political party system and a hot spot in our recent cold war seems like something to me.
The Neutricand part was just a bit of rudeness and with the political parties make a factbook entry of the one you wish to join and let Liberosia know when you do.
Yeah, by the way, you need to register in one of our new parties.
Okay, now I'm up to speed. Thanks, ISA.
Ain't no party like a Libertarian Party. Anyone want some tax-free cake?
I'm part of the Libertarian party too! Nice to have ya along.
Now don't you all go thinking I'm a no-tax, pot smoking, pro-prostitution, pro-choice, Gary Johnson lover because I'm not.
I wouldn't be a Gary Johnson lover either. He's a centrist that failed in getting the Republican party nomination but succeeded in getting the Libertarians'.
I would, however, be all for no federal income tax, legalization of marijuana, and a lack of federal legislation on abortion. Despite this, I think that some small, miscellaneous taxes could be acceptable, would crack down on the use of narcotics, and leave it to the states to make determinations as to being pro-choice or pro-life.
^^ What the...why are you Ann Romney?
Thought it would be funny to see how everyone would react.
Hey CI, I feel you on the social issues, they should be at the state level. However, I think laws can be made more the more the government becomes local because people can always move.
Love the new flag.
Seriously, people should be able to move to places in which their ideology is more accepted. (As long as the only place for communism is the frozen tundra.)
I support that states and local governments should handle social programs and the healthcare system. The federal government needs to protect and prioritize the constitution as well as monitoring the nations military.
The most oppressed minority in history is the individual!
Hear hear!
No the individual has a lot more power than they give themselves credit. It's just that we here in North America are swarmed by idiotic individuals who take no time to fact-check or research candidates and thats how we get stuck with $*I##! representatives and presidents.
I'm talking about the abridgement of individual rights (*cough *cough...NDAA).
Speaking of Gary Johnson he's on Stossel on FBN right now!
The people are comprised of individuals...individuals forced to alter their beliefs in order to join the side they feel is winning.
I just watched that Stossel...
Also, I've published an all-encompassing factbook for the region.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=conservative_idealism/detail=factbook/id=59805
Their not forced to do anything. We're called individuals because we're all different and can make our own opinion. Some of us are just like sheep though and they will follow the winning side.
Conservative Idealism, that's a great overview...thanks for pointing out my speach to the nation "The War on Communism".
Stossel is pretty good...for a libertarian. I like how he gets the other candidates on there even though they have no chance at winning it opens people's minds to other possibilities.
He even got the Socialist candidate on.
The fat black guy right? I personally liked Virgil Goode the most. That guy was a by-the-book conservative constitutionalist who I respected quite a lot...even though he sounded like a hick.
I'm currently tweaking the factbook entry...if I can get each of the details right, maybe a link to it could be included in the World Factbook entry.
Very probably, conservative idealism.
ISA, yeah...Goode is awesome. I like how his accent sounds.
I just can't wait until 2016. First we'll have Obama out and whatever crap heap he gave us. Second we'll have democrats and republicans running for president, which I love so much because the republican turnout for the primaries this year was great it was like 8 people! I love getting to see all the sides and especially watching the primary debates.
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