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Personally TTA, I think it's good you've had to take a step back. That being said, never surrender your own reason and life to another. Ever.

Zeouria wrote:God's plan? Competly subjective. There is no such thing. Does god own you, your thoughts, and your actions? No. You own yourself.

Anyway, what? Forcible? Maybe state socialism to some extent, but deffinetly not the libertarian fields. That's simply non-libertarian, and communism being, in itself, a fundamentally libertarianistic/anarchistic ideology, then that would be a massive contradiction.

Exactly.

In God's plan you have a choice. Voluntarianism if you want to call it that. You can choose right and wrong. You can repent of the bad. You can end up in different levels of heaven depending on this. It's not the Hell/Heaven problem.

Communism can't thrive in a Libertarian system. It's human nature to be greedy and eventually either a government will have to be established to keep the communism or it will be no longer communism.

Zeouria wrote:God's plan? Competly subjective. There is no such thing. Does god own you, your thoughts, and your actions? No. You own yourself.

Anyway, what? Forcible? Maybe state socialism to some extent, but deffinetly not the libertarian fields. That's simply non-libertarian, and communism being, in itself, a fundamentally libertarianistic/anarchistic ideology, then that would be a massive contradiction.

Can you start a business and manage it? No you are forced to have all industry in control of the workers.

In capitalist or mixed economic so city's you can start a commune at will. There is this commune town in Virginia that I know of.

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The Horse stuff is the major thing that is good out of my parents punishment. I needed help. I'm getting it. (Not for the reason I thought though they just thought I was acting gay by watching a show)

Everything else well. I can cope.

Liberosia wrote:Personally TTA, I think it's good you've had to take a step back. That being said, never surrender your own reason and life to another. Ever.

Wait take a step back?

The Amarican Empire wrote:Can you start a business and manage it? No you are forced to have all industry in control of the workers.

In capitalist or mixed economic so city's you can start a commune at will. There is this commune town in Virginia that I know of.

Twin Oaks is the commune I am talking about.

The Time Alliance wrote:Wait take a step back?

As in observe yourself more objectively. I'm assuming you have? Or are you acting as a pawn of your parents?

Liberosia wrote:As in observe yourself more objectively. I'm assuming you have? Or are you acting as a pawn of your parents?

I'm acting as a pawn of my own mind.

Frankly. I'm taking things more religiously starting today. But if religion makes it look like I'm being objective we can call it objective thinking.

Plus not only religion but I've realized government has grown way too far past it's original boundaries. I'd like a return to better times. 1920s...maybe 1800s....but with technology and Heavy Metal.

Now I don't mean enslave blacks and non voting rights for women. I mean in a political and economic sense.

The Time Alliance wrote:Now I don't mean enslave blacks and non voting rights for women. I mean in a political and economic sense.

We need another Reagen.

Einsiev wrote:We need another Reagen.

Reagan wasn't Libertarian enough for me.

Einsiev wrote:We need another Reagen.

Better another Thomas Jefferson or Andrew.... (Jackson I think?) The Indian guy right?

Except without the Anti-Indianism

Well it seems the good ol' American boy, apple pie loving spirit has awakened.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Reagan wasn't Libertarian enough for me.

Trying to give too much freedoms apparently.

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Liberosia wrote:Well it seems the good ol' American boy, apple pie loving spirit has awakened.

Yeah....

HOLY CRAP. I'LL RESPOND TO YOU BUT GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES

Liberosia wrote:Well it seems the good ol' American boy, apple pie loving spirit has awakened.

Mmmmm apple pie.

Einsiev wrote:Mmmmm apple pie.

I don't like apple pie.....

The Amarican Empire wrote:I don't like apple pie.....

I stab... *stab stab*

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Zeouria wrote:There is no such thing as right or wrong. Right and wrong are entirely subjective, my perception of what is right and wrong is competly differs t from your perception. Thus, how can either of us state we are right and the others are wrong?

I don't believe in god. You believe in god. Henry follows Buddha. Alisha worships ala. How are any of us right? How can any of say "Alisha is going to hell because she is wrong." Also, politics should NEVER intertwin with politics. Simple libertarian though.

How? It is, by detention, libertarian. "Stateless... Classless, moneyless society...". Voluntaryism, which I suppose you follow, states you need to let people do what they want and not force your politics down their throat. You can oppose communism politically, but not physically. If a group of people wish to live communally, why force them not to? Same goes in the opposit. If a group of people wish to live in a market, why force them not to?

And it's funny how you've haven't gone into detail on this assertion.

*whinny voice* "but... human nature! People are greedy! Every single person will act greedy always, I know how people act in all situations!

Oh... for f*cks sake. Really? The human nature argument? Look at humans and their supreme concousness. Do we act like crows? No. Of course not. We're far to intelligent and we know the full benefits of sharing things with one another, with building relationships with one another. We are social creatures, TTA. One can never determine how a person will act. I can choose to be greedy or I could choose to be selfless. It's all a matter of choice. We're not controlled by a nature and we never have.

I could turn the argument around on you and say "look at the first thousands years of human existence. Look how we all lived communally! So, you're saying we just ignored basic instinct?"

Give me some evidence that isn't anecdodal, and I'll give you evidence that contradicts yours. The human nature argument is completly dry and never works. Don't use it, seriously.

The rest is running in assumptions that have never been proven and I'll just refute with historical example.

1. God sets a moral standard of what is right or wrong. Whether we want to perceive this as true is up to us. I wish to perceive it as true. But I am not against any who perceive it as wrong. I believe God came down. And all religions messed it up. Maybe even Mormonism. But I believe in Hod and Mormonism seems the most reasonable.

2. Libertarianism is based on a free society. Not an equal society. Freedoms and Equality don't mix. But you stayed why true Communism wouldn't work. People would end up forming markets and people wanting the communes would set up something to stop them.

A government.

3. We work by instinct. Human nature is to survive. In the old days that is how we survived. Now we have business even in the old days you can't say that people didn't trick others or put themselves over others as soon as the chance arrived. As soon as the chance came all those ancient civilizations were governized

Zeouria wrote:Yay! Pie of apples!

...wut?

H... ho... how?!

I just don't like apples in my pie. Idk I can't control my taste buds.

*Contacts TBR to raid NGA when I was upset at them*

*Forgets about it*

*310 days later TBR raids NGA*

What's the point. I don't get why the black raiders need more territory in a virtual game where you can create a region whenever you want.

Zeouria wrote:*assists with stabbing*

*shares a dilicous apple pie afterwards*

Mmmmmmmmm. Pie.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What's the point. I don't get why the black raiders need more territory in a virtual game where you can create a region whenever you want.

The same reason we invaded communist regions.

The Time Alliance wrote:The same reason we invaded communist regions.

Imperialism, fun, hate, greed?

The Amarican Empire wrote:Imperialism, fun, hate, greed?

I was going for fun...

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Good thing that I am too stubborn for tsar. He does not try to convince me to do anything anymore!

So Human Nature doesn't exist?

Someone else take Tsar. Please.

Or tsar continue this later. I'm having more controversy surrounding me in CFN involving TBR, a dictator, a trial and a banishment.

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Good luck tta tsar is as stubborn as I am.

1. God does exist. There is a subjective and objective form of right and wrong. Because Mormonism is true.

2. Lets say I'm on an Anarco-Communist society. I'm going to start a business. I can't but no one can tell me I can't because there are no laws. Thus I bring capitalism. Someone wants to stop me. Theu must create a law. Thus a government forms.

3. Human nature exists. You can choose but Human nature exists. If we suppressed unlikable social traits society would be hell.

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I think I need to sleep.

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Zeouria wrote:

2. That's an infringement on the communes communal property rights. There are these things called social contracts. Check 'em out some day.

I believe the term is "lol"

Zeouria wrote:1. No... Evidence, please. There is no objective fork right and wrong. You cannot say you're right and Islam is wrong. Or Islam is right and Mormonism is wrong. You cannot say Mormonism is true, either. Well, you can, but it's not fact. It's your opinion.

2. That's an infringement on the communes communal property rights. There are these things called social contracts. Check 'em out some day.

3. No, it doesn't. I just need to keep repeating myself, I guess. If you can choose... that means there is no human nature. No defined nature. Because human nature implies we will always act a certain way in a situation. Yet, you just said you can choose. That statement is one big fat contradiction.

1. Isn't every non material thinh only an opinion?

2. Only individual rights exist. Not the collectives.

3. Human nature exists

Lack There Of wrote:I believe the term is "lol"

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Just let tsar stay in his fantasy world. There is no use in debating with him.

http://thelibertycaucus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/spooner-social-contract.jpg

Argueing with tsar is like having a toy pig that only says pigs can fly. You can argue with it all you want but its always going to say pigs can fly.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Argueing with tsar is like having a toy pig that only says pigs can fly. You can argue with it all you want but its always going to say pigs can fly.

Roads: You son of a.... pigs cannot maintain flight! It's physically impossible!

Toy pig: pigs can fly!

Roads: I'll show you, you ham!

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I believe that we can control most of our actions. There are still some basic human actions that we cant contol such as flinching, falling in love, or always wanting to be right.

Zeouria wrote:

Society is based off them. Change them to be voluntary.

Care to expand on what exactly this means

Tsar can you choose your sexual oriantation?

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Tsar can you choose your sexual oriantation?

If the aswer is yes then you have won the debate. If the answer is no then we cant choose our nature.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Tsar can you choose your sexual oriantation?

Well. Depends on how you look at it.

TTA, why don't you just move back here for good? Or at least move a puppet over.

Pevvania wrote:TTA, why don't you just move back here for good? Or at least move a puppet over.

My technicality I did.

The State if Deseret is my puppet in this region. I'm simply on this account more and due to the Embassy chat it's quicker and easier.

Pevvania wrote:TTA, why don't you just move back here for good? Or at least move a puppet over.

Right here.

It's just simpler.

I'm considering changing the name of our military from the bland, uninspiring 'Libertatem Army' to something exciting like 'The Contras'. Thoughts, anyone?

Pevvania wrote:I'm considering changing the name of our military from the bland, uninspiring 'Libertatem Army' to something exciting like 'The Contras'. Thoughts, anyone?

How about- Crusaders of Tatem

Pevvania wrote:I'm considering changing the name of our military from the bland, uninspiring 'Libertatem Army' to something exciting like 'The Contras'. Thoughts, anyone?

"Reagan Riders"

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"Reagan Riders"

I love it! I'll run it by the Pres.

Reagan Riders, I like the sound of that.

What of the "Libertatem Legion"

Just spitballing here

Sure, and make a task force that specializes in eating our sandwhich based enemy. Lol

A belated congratulations to the Humpmeister.

The New United States wrote:A belated congratulations to the Humpmeister.

Delinquent. Being inactive and such.

Humpheria wrote:Delinquent. Being inactive and such.

:'(

The New United States wrote::'(

Don't worry, I don't hate you.

Humpheria wrote:Don't worry, I don't hate you.

I really wish I could say the same.

:P

The New United States wrote:I really wish I could say the same.

:P

You made me chuckle aloud. Your gold star for the day. *places solid gold sticker on TNUS' chest*

Humpheria wrote:You made me chuckle aloud. Your gold star for the day. *places solid gold sticker on TNUS' chest*

Thanks, Cap'n.

Welcome back, TNUS.

Is it me, or is there a segment of the media that salivates over Rand Paul no matter what he does?

Pevvania wrote:Welcome back, TNUS.

Is it me, or is there a segment of the media that salivates over Rand Paul no matter what he does?

Positively or negatively?

Humpheria wrote:Positively or negatively?

Positively. I guess it's good that he's getting the attention he deserves, and I'm a big fan of the guy, but there's a certain type of media Randroid out there that will defend him no matter what. Rare.us, I'm looking at you.

Pevvania wrote:Positively. I guess it's good that he's getting the attention he deserves, and I'm a big fan of the guy, but there's a certain type of media Randroid out there that will defend him no matter what. Rare.us, I'm looking at you.

Well biased media.

Pevvania wrote:I love it! I'll run it by the Pres.

Well, you came up with the idea.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Well, you came up with the idea.

I haven't been approached yet.

Humpheria wrote:I haven't been approached yet.

Well, you have now. :)

Pevvania wrote:Rare.us, I'm looking at you.

Hit the nail on the head with that one

It shamed me to work on a truck yesterday that had a "ready for Hillary" bumper sticker.

What a boring region North Korea is, the RMB is full of V Mings propaganda posts with little to no comments otherwise.

Muh Roads wrote:It shamed me to work on a truck yesterday that had a "ready for Hillary" bumper sticker.

*Tragic news story of truck that had bumper sticker ready for hillary was blown up* That was me.

Come on guys, it's time for this nation to have its first women president

Lack There Of wrote:Come on guys, it's time for this nation to have its first women president

Rudy Guiliani?

Muh Roads wrote:What a boring region North Korea is, the RMB is full of V Mings propaganda posts with little to no comments otherwise.

Yeah. It's a pretty lifeless region. It's mostly just ad hominem diatribes against regions that aren't upholding "left unity", or regions that aren't as leftist as they'd like, and mindless apologism for Kim Jong-un, reminiscent of the chaps on The Greater German Reich's RMB.

Lack There Of wrote:Come on guys, it's time for this nation to have its first women president

"Come on guys, it's time for this nation to have a murderous dictator that has different genitals from the previous 44"

Pevvania wrote:"Come on guys, it's time for this nation to have a murderous dictator that has different genitals from the previous 44"

43*

Miencraft wrote:44*

Grover Cleveland served two nonconsecutive terms, he was the 22 and 24, there have been 44 terms and 43 presidents*

Humpheria wrote:43*

Miencraft wrote:44*

45

Let's all count

Humpheria wrote:Grover Cleveland served two nonconsecutive terms, he was the 22 and 24, there have been 44 terms and 43 presidents*

True.

I'd pick Jill Stein over Hilarious Clinton.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'd pick Jill Stein over Hilarious Clinton.

OH GOD NO. I'd take a pro-war moderate whose fake personality drives me crazy over Mrs. Green New Deal any day.

Pevvania wrote:OH GOD NO. I'd take a pro-war moderate whose fake personality drives me crazy over Mrs. Green New Deal any day.

She's economically illiterate. If anything, she'd leave the economic policy to the right wingers while futily trying her green deals and dismantling the police state.

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