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Hallo Island

Pevvania wrote:None of them do. But at least the Tories want to balance the budget, cut taxes, reform welfare, deregulate industry, reform the EU and deliver a referendum on the issue.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:What a relief to know that Ed " the red " Miliband will never have any official responsibilities ever again.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27WqccWkygE

Green party supporters, just a bunch of hipsters/hobbos/potheads/tossers/spoiledkids

I have mixed feelings. I like the Tories, but was hoping for a better UKIP related outcome. I like the fall of Labour and the Lib Dems, but dislike the great rise of the SNP in Scotland meaning that Nicola Sturgeon has more power in Scotland related issues despite the Torie majority.

*bum tish bum tish bum bum tish*

'Cause I'm John Galt, yes I'm the real Galt All you other John Galts are just imitating So won't the real John Galt please stand up, Please stand up, please stand up?

Liberosia, Pevvania, Muh Roads, Hallo Island, Yrellian Confederacy, Midland County

Republic Of Minerva wrote:*bum tish bum tish bum bum tish*

'Cause I'm John Galt, yes I'm the real Galt All you other John Galts are just imitating So won't the real John Galt please stand up, Please stand up, please stand up?

Thank you.

Good morning Libertatem.

Hallo Island wrote:Good morning Libertatem.

Good evening, Hallo.

The New United States wrote:Good evening, Hallo.

Where the hell are you?

Hallo Island wrote:Where the hell are you?

Oz, perhaps?

Hallo Island wrote:Where the hell are you?

Jordan

It's tax day in Libertatem, pay up or receive nasty telegrams.

(This is a joke btw.)

Pevvania, Hallo Island

Muh Roads wrote:It's tax day in Libertatem, pay up or receive nasty telegrams.

(This is a joke btw.)

Taxes? What the hell are those

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Taxes? What the hell are those

The government requires your first born laying hens.

Pevvania, Right-Winged Nation, Hallo Island

The New United States wrote:Jordan

Always wanted to visit Petra

Hallo Island

Muh Roads wrote:Always wanted to visit Petra

And reenact The Last Crusade!

Muh Roads

Muh Roads wrote:It's tax day in Libertatem, pay up or receive nasty telegrams.

(This is a joke btw.)

Taxes? What the hell are those

The UK Election has shown two things: one, that there is strong demand in Scotland for greater federalism and less centralisation of power in Britain, and two, that the British public has decisively rejected returning the UK to the 1970s. This election has not just shown approval for the Tories. It has confirmed that the Neo-Liberal Consensus is here to stay in British politics, as the country moves further towards liberty and liberalism. Hopefully, by 2020, the budget will be in balance, welfare will be distributed in a single payment, taxes will be cut further and the groundwork will be laid for the premiership of Boris Johnson, a man who I dare say is the first real classical liberal to be so prominent in British politics in over a century.

Miencraft

Pevvania wrote:The UK Election has shown two things: one, that there is strong demand in Scotland for greater federalism and less centralisation of power in Britain, and two, that the British public has decisively rejected returning the UK to the 1970s. This election has not just shown approval for the Tories. It has confirmed that the Neo-Liberal Consensus is here to stay in British politics, as the country moves further towards liberty and liberalism. Hopefully, by 2020, the budget will be in balance, welfare will be distributed in a single payment, taxes will be cut further and the groundwork will be laid for the premiership of Boris Johnson, a man who I dare say is the first real classical liberal to be so prominent in British politics in over a century.

*Standing Ovation*

Pevvania

The United Oman wrote:*Standing Ovation*

But to be clear, I'm still very critical of them. They've raised too many taxes and should have balanced the budget much faster. I also do not approve of their steadfast support for the Obama foreign policy, nor do I condone their police/nanny state policies either.

Miencraft

So how is everyone?

http://studentsforliberty.org/africa/

The first African Students for Liberty Southern African Regional Conference is being held in Malawi.

It's fantastic to see that liberty activism is getting underway in Africa, a continent that has been oppressed for a long time, first by the statist forces of colonialism, then by the statist forces of socialism, and after that the statist forces of kleptocracy. Most countries have mild levels of government spending and taxation, but unbearable levels of nationalisation, corruption, regulatory barriers, barriers to foreign investment and infrastructure degradation.

As the great Ghanaian economist George Ayittey says, "Africa is poor because she is not free."

Pevvania wrote:So how is everyone?

Fantastical. Running a record three campaigns this year.

Pevvania

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Fantastical. Running a record three campaigns this year.

Great to hear! Local candidates or state races? And is the pay good?

[B]F.A. Hayek: The Use of Knowledge in Society[/B]

"What is the problem we wish to solve when we try to construct a rational economic order? On certain familiar assumptions the answer is simple enough. If we possess all the relevant information, if we can start out from a given system of preferences, and if we command complete knowledge of available means, the problem which remains is purely one of logic. That is, the answer to the question of what is the best use of the available means is implicit in our assumptions. The conditions which the solution of this optimum problem must satisfy have been fully worked out and can be stated best in mathematical form: put at their briefest, they are that the marginal rates of substitution between any two commodities or factors must be the same in all their different uses."

https://mises.org/library/use-knowledge-society

The Pevvanian propaganda machine is back

Pevvania

Pevvania wrote:Great to hear! Local candidates or state races? And is the pay good?

This year is only municipal races in Indiana. So the pay is not very good. Not what I'm used to.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:This year is only municipal races in Indiana. So the pay is not very good. Not what I'm used to.

Indiana, eh? Curious.

Tyrinth wrote:Indiana, eh? Curious.

How so?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:How so?

It's just interesting to me.

I may or may not be from the Midwest myself.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:This year is only municipal races in Indiana. So the pay is not very good. Not what I'm used to.

Republican candidates I suppose? Do you ever try to push any of them in a certain ideological direction? Or do you usually go for what gets votes?

Pevvania wrote:Republican candidates I suppose? Do you ever try to push any of them in a certain ideological direction? Or do you usually go for what gets votes?

I have one that is a carbon copy of my ideology, the rest are aware if my views but keep me around because I'm good at what I do.

Despite Australia's current state, I'd say that Aussies are natural libertarians. You tell them to do something and they'll tell you to "bugger off."

Pevvania

From the Fraser Institute's Economic Freedom of the World Report (http://www.freetheworld.com/2013/EFW2013-complete.pdf):

"Throughout most of period from 1980 to 2000, the United States ranked as the world’s third-freest economy, behind Hong Kong and Singapore... in 2000, [it was] second only to Hong Kong. By 2005, the US rating had slipped to 8.21 and its ranking fallen to 8th. The slide has continued. The United States placed 16th in 2010 and 19th in 2011. The 7.74 chain-linked rating of the United States in 2011 was nearly a full point less than the 2000 rating.

While it is difficult to pinpoint the precise reason for this decline, the increased use of eminent domain to transfer property to powerful political interests, the ramifications of the wars on terrorism and drugs, and the violation of the property rights of bondholders in the auto-bailout case have all weakened the tradition of strong adherence to the rule of law in the United States. To a large degree, [B]the United States has experienced a significant move away from rule of law and toward a highly regulated, politicized state.[/B]"

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

The Netherlands is somewhat of a libertarian country for European standards. It is quite poor on size of government, but scores the highest in the world for property rights, regulation and trade freedom. Throw in legalised prostitution and marijuana, and one of the most "privatised" healthcare systems in Europe, and it's not a bad place for a libertarian to live.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Pevvania wrote:The Netherlands is somewhat of a libertarian country for European standards. It is quite poor on size of government, but scores the highest in the world for property rights, regulation and trade freedom. Throw in legalised prostitution and marijuana, and one of the most "privatised" healthcare systems in Europe, and it's not a bad place for a libertarian to live.

Most likely due to the conservative liberal VVD, which despite being highly pragmatic, is one of the few remaining classical liberal parties in Europe.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

I have some very strange people on my Facebook friends list. Very, very strange people.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Anybody remember the Reagan Doctrine? I came across something interesting on the Wikipedia article about it:

"While the Reagan Doctrine enjoyed strong support from the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, the libertarian-oriented Cato Institute opposed the Reagan Doctrine, arguing in 1986 that "most Third World struggles take place in arenas and involve issues far removed from legitimate American security needs. U.S. involvement in such conflicts expands the republic's already overextended commitments without achieving any significant prospective gains. Instead of draining Soviet military and financial resources, we end up dissipating our own."

Even Cato, however, conceded that the Reagan Doctrine had "fired the enthusiasm of the conservative movement in the United States as no foreign policy issue has done in decades". While opposing the Reagan Doctrine as an official governmental policy, Cato instead urged Congress to remove the legal barriers prohibiting private organizations and citizens from supporting these resistance movements."

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

What do you guys think of tax choice, as in choosing what your tax money goes towards?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Pevvania wrote:Anybody remember the Reagan Doctrine? I came across something interesting on the Wikipedia article about it:

"While the Reagan Doctrine enjoyed strong support from the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, the libertarian-oriented Cato Institute opposed the Reagan Doctrine, arguing in 1986 that "most Third World struggles take place in arenas and involve issues far removed from legitimate American security needs. U.S. involvement in such conflicts expands the republic's already overextended commitments without achieving any significant prospective gains. Instead of draining Soviet military and financial resources, we end up dissipating our own."

Even Cato, however, conceded that the Reagan Doctrine had "fired the enthusiasm of the conservative movement in the United States as no foreign policy issue has done in decades". While opposing the Reagan Doctrine as an official governmental policy, Cato instead urged Congress to remove the legal barriers prohibiting private organizations and citizens from supporting these resistance movements."

Sounds fine to me.

Mind you, at the time the libertarian movement had a much more "left wing" rhetoric and approach to politics. The Rothbardians even supported the Black Panthers and the Vietcong.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Pevvania wrote:What do you guys think of tax choice, as in choosing what your tax money goes towards?

Not ideal, but I'd vote for it, as putting all my money into a hilariously inept function like public transportation would do more to limit the state than what we currently have. :p

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Actually, reading up on the idea of tax choice I found that Sweden has partial tax choice in which taxpayers can choose to which congregation their church tax may go to.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sounds fine to me.

Mind you, at the time the libertarian movement had a much more "left wing" rhetoric and approach to politics. The Rothbardians even supported the Black Panthers and the Vietcong.

That was back in the 60s I think. By the 70s they had abandoned any attempt at forming a coalition with the New Left. Then they decided jumping in bed with conservatives in the late 80s/early 90s was a good idea. I don't get some things about Rothbard. He ruthlessly criticised other members of the liberty movement, like Reagan and Friedman, but then endorsed Bush for reelection in 1992.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Actually, reading up on the idea of tax choice I found that Sweden has partial tax choice in which taxpayers can choose to which congregation their church tax may go to.

Church tax? What do you mean?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Pevvania wrote:That was back in the 60s I think. By the 70s they had abandoned any attempt at forming a coalition with the New Left. Then they decided jumping in bed with conservatives in the late 80s/early 90s was a good idea. I don't get some things about Rothbard. He ruthlessly criticised other members of the liberty movement, like Reagan and Friedman, but then endorsed Bush for reelection in 1992.

Church tax? What do you mean?

basically a modern tithe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

There's two sides of libertatem.

The RLP vs the PRR debates

And

Pev and Minerva scratching each other's banks and writing novels about libertarianism

Hallo Island, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Midland County, Nick Clement

For the sake of preserving national sovereignty and our God-given right to self-governance, I urge everybody to vote For "Repeal 'Responsible Arms Trading.'"

http://www.nationstates.net/page=ga

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

The New United States wrote:For the sake of preserving national sovereignty and our God-given right to self-governance, I urge everybody to vote For "Repeal 'Responsible Arms Trading.'"

http://www.nationstates.net/page=ga

Sometimes it really seems like half of the WA just votes yes on every proposal.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Tyrinth wrote:Sometimes it really seems like half of the WA just votes yes on every proposal.

Yeah, it sometimes does.

RAT was voted into law by a 2:1 margin, just five days ago. Now, the Repeal of said act is overwhelmingly being voted For, nearly at a 2:1 margin.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Greetings all. I am returning to the game and have decided to come here.

Liberosia, Pevvania, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Isn't it great to wake up in the morning and see the Muh Roadian flag flying over the Presidential Office Building?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

I have 48 hours to write three essays, with three finals taking place within the same time-frame. Wish me luck, comrades.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

The New United States wrote:I have 48 hours to write three essays, with three finals taking place within the same time-frame. Wish me luck, comrades.

*Does three dinner hunger games salute*

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Post self-deleted by The New United States.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Isn't it great to wake up in the morning and see the Muh Roadian flag flying over the Presidential Office Building?

:)

Also, as of this coming friday, I will have 20000 recruitment TGs to send out. Summers coming.

On may 16th however, I will not be online. It's my birthday and I'm going to find something fun to do... lol so for presidential business please refer to Humpheria.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Finally, the power...

I mean, yeah. Talk to me.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Sorry. I shouldn't vent here.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:*Does three dinner hunger games salute*

Dinner?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Miencraft wrote:Dinner?

Auto correct is the worst thing to happen to men.

Miencraft, Yrellian Confederacy, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Vichtander In Liberatem

The New United States wrote:I have 48 hours to write three essays, with three finals taking place within the same time-frame. Wish me luck, comrades.

I wish you luck.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen wrote:Hi guys!! It's my birthday soon

Why the hell do you like every god damn post?

The New United States, Muh Roads

The New United States wrote:Sorry. I shouldn't vent here.

No worries, most of us have at some point I think.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Auto correct is the worst thing to happen to men.

Triggered

Hallo Island

How's life in Libertatem these days?

Conservative Idealism wrote:How's life in Libertatem these days?

Wonderful! How goes it in the IRU?

Pevvania

Hey what do you guys think of Liberland?

I, [nation=short]The New United States[/nation], do hereby propose to Libertatem a constitutional amendment authored by Manager of War [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation] and myself: The Rededication to the Elimination and the Destruction of Statists (REDS) Act.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=414770

I request that the amendment process begin immediately.

God Bless,

[nation=short]The New United States[/nation]

Manager of State

The New United States wrote:Wonderful! How goes it in the IRU?

Quite nice - we're voting on an amendment right now. Largest and most influential in IRU history, if it passes.

It looks like I'm running for my first public office in 2016.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:It looks like I'm running for my first public office in 2016.

Cool stuff.

Midland County wrote:Why the hell do you like every god damn post?

Not everyone 1didn't like a lot of them.

Conservative Idealism wrote:How's life in Libertatem these days?

Conservative Idealism wrote:How's life in Libertatem these days?

Conservative Idealism wrote:How's life in Libertatem these days?

Good thanks for asking.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:It looks like I'm running for my first public office in 2016.

Fantastic! What office? And do you have a campaign website?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen wrote:Not everyone 1didn't like a lot of them.

The more important question is...

Who the hell are you?

Also, can I just say, liking posts is typically a sign of agreement that would otherwise only be expressed with "yeah", so if you could ease up on the liking that'd be nice.

You don't have to, but it would be nice.

13 hours ago: Ankha ceased to exist.

Hallo Island

Pevvania wrote:Fantastic! What office? And do you have a campaign website?

County Council, so no. I do not have a website. It's not official yet.

The New United States wrote:13 hours ago: Ankha ceased to exist.

RIP

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:County Council, so no. I do not have a website. It's not official yet.

That's a good start. At least it's not district commissioner or some other useless role.

[B]Democrats filibuster Obama's trade bill[/B]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/12/democrats-filibuster-obamas-trade-bill/

Great. The one time Obama comes up with a good idea - maybe even a great idea - the idiots in his party have to oppose him. Republicans are not being very helpful on the issue either, with websites like this popping up: http://obamatrade.com/

Tell your Congressmen: FREE TRADE NOW!

Republic Of Minerva

Pevvania wrote:[B]Democrats filibuster Obama's trade bill[/B]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/12/democrats-filibuster-obamas-trade-bill/

Great. The one time Obama comes up with a good idea - maybe even a great idea - the idiots in his party have to oppose him. Republicans are not being very helpful on the issue either, with websites like this popping up: http://obamatrade.com/

Tell your Congressmen: FREE TRADE NOW!

Really? These morons are suppose to be for free trade

Board of Libertatem, the following regions have requested embassies... please make a decision on the following regions.

just for some input, none of the regions leaders have contacted me, however I suspect international conservative union is run by neo-con.

The Dignified Royal Alliance

International Conservative Union

Silverstar

Republic of Alberta

Despite the disorganization, libertarianism actually has a fair amount of history in Denmark.

The libertarian wing of the Progress Party, a populist right wing party, broke off in the 90s to found the Free Democrats, but they were unable to gain enough traction and are now a think-tank of sorts.

The Liberal Alliance is a much bigger party relatively speaking that shifted right into libertarian territory recently with an embrace of classical liberal ideals.

The Copenhagen Institute was founded by a former Cato policy director Chresten Anderson, and is a libertarian think tank in - you guessed it - Copenhagen.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Sorry, I haven't been too active guys. I bought Victoria 2 a few days ago and it's been sucking up my free time.

Updated my voting guide for libertarians!

page=dispatch/id=360109

Enjoy and vote smartly, if you want to.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

[Nation=Johnson Square] Lone star? Is it you?

I'm a member of libretatem

Long live Libretatem

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen wrote:I'm a member of libretatem

Long live Libretatem

What the hell is Libretatem?

Muh Roads, Yrellian Confederacy

Being Classically Liberal has good smears I mean information on Bernie Sanders:

"Bernie Sanders would make a great president...of Vermont. But his statements in the linked article are good for a comparative analysis.

Vermont has a shade under 700,000 people, of which almost 99 percent were born in the U.S. and are culturally homogeneous.

The populations of Sweden, Denmark, and Norway are around 85 percent native born and all have cultures that trace to the middle ages. Not one of these countries has more than 9.5 million people.

These United States have 320,000,000 diverse people, ethnically and culturally, with a non-native born population that exceeds the populations of all three Nordic countries combined. "Democratic Socialism" may work in small States (that is questionable) and it might work great in a small homogenous society like Vermont (hence the Second Vermont Republic), but foisting that on the entire United States would be astronomically stupid and impracticable.

This is why the founding generation established a federal republic with a general government for general purposes only and left all else to the States. Sanders can clamor for a "democratic socialist" United States, but it would never work due to size and scale. The Left needs to focus at home. If the people of Vermont want a socialist State, let them have it. Federalism works for the Left, too." - Brion McClanahan

When you understand Federalism, and the origins of our constitutional republic. Its hard to take people like Bernie Sanders seriously. In fact it's almost terrifying thinking what someone like him would do at the helm of Washington D.C....he really believes one city can effectively govern over 300,000,000 people and fix all of our problems.......that being said I hope my progressive friends support him over Hilary Goldman-Sachs Clinton.

REDS Amendment passes the Board 3 Aye, 0 Nay, 1 Abs.

REDS Amendment has my full fledged support, my only regret is that I didn't introduce a similar amendment sooner. Great work TNUS and Pev.

I hate George Washington.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:I hate George Washington.

25% tax on whiskey, First Bank of the United States, Fugitive Slave Act - what's not to love?

Pevvania wrote:What the hell is Libretatem?

Pevvania wrote:What the hell is Libretatem?

Our region is what it is

Pevvania

A little over 24 hours and I'll be on a plane to the United States of A, and I'll finally be free from student-related responsibilities!

The New United States wrote:A little over 24 hours and I'll be on a plane to the United States of A, and I'll finally be free from student-related responsibilities!

You study abroad?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen wrote:Our region is what it is

No it's not. We're Libertatem, not Libretatem.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Being Classically Liberal has good smears I mean information on Bernie Sanders:

"Bernie Sanders would make a great president...of Vermont. But his statements in the linked article are good for a comparative analysis.

Vermont has a shade under 700,000 people, of which almost 99 percent were born in the U.S. and are culturally homogeneous.

The populations of Sweden, Denmark, and Norway are around 85 percent native born and all have cultures that trace to the middle ages. Not one of these countries has more than 9.5 million people.

These United States have 320,000,000 diverse people, ethnically and culturally, with a non-native born population that exceeds the populations of all three Nordic countries combined. "Democratic Socialism" may work in small States (that is questionable) and it might work great in a small homogenous society like Vermont (hence the Second Vermont Republic), but foisting that on the entire United States would be astronomically stupid and impracticable.

This is why the founding generation established a federal republic with a general government for general purposes only and left all else to the States. Sanders can clamor for a "democratic socialist" United States, but it would never work due to size and scale. The Left needs to focus at home. If the people of Vermont want a socialist State, let them have it. Federalism works for the Left, too." - Brion McClanahan

When you understand Federalism, and the origins of our constitutional republic. Its hard to take people like Bernie Sanders seriously. In fact it's almost terrifying thinking what someone like him would do at the helm of Washington D.C....he really believes one city can effectively govern over 300,000,000 people and fix all of our problems.......that being said I hope my progressive friends support him over Hilary Goldman-Sachs Clinton.

BCL is almost always right, and is here too, except for the idea that socialism can work in small countries, which it can't. If this were true, Ethiopia would be an economic powerhouse.

Bernie Sanders is a protectionist loon and a liar. He's abandoned any credibility he had when he used to talk about ending the wars and auditing the Fed. Now he's just an inequality alarmist, and probably a wilfully ignorant one at that.

Pevvania wrote:BCL is almost always right, and is here too, except for the idea that socialism can work in small countries, which it can't. If this were true, Ethiopia would be an economic powerhouse.

Bernie Sanders is a protectionist loon and a liar. He's abandoned any credibility he had when he used to talk about ending the wars and auditing the Fed. Now he's just an inequality alarmist, and probably a wilfully ignorant one at that.

Try saying that on the Bernie Sanders thread. Lmao.

I think "socialism" was in quotes for a reason, since Sweden and Denmark aren't obviously socialism.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:I hate George Washington.

I hate Alexander Hamilton.

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Try saying that on the Bernie Sanders thread. Lmao.

I think "socialism" was in quotes for a reason, since Sweden and Denmark aren't obviously socialism.

Well hopefully the idiots will get him to be the Democratic Nominee, or at least push Clinton to the left, so Rand can contrast with him and have a better shot of winning the GOP nomination.

Of course. Sweden and Denmark are in some ways radically capitalist. No minimum wage laws, very light regulation and A-grade property rights protection are parts of the Nordic Model that soc-dems like to ignore.

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