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I think part of the telegram system update ended up adding numbers of unread things to the regional link, thus "Libertatem (9+)"

I think i want to help expand the empire.

Cancel that out, sorry

Well, at least i already move one puppet to the empire.

All three of my puppets are in the top 10 over rich-poor divides. Good.

My nation's full of hard workers. It makes sense that the divides are large but not steep.

BOARD Act

Board Offered Additional Regional Duties Act

Section I

Purpose

Clarification of this proposal's purpose:

Subsection I

To offer the Board and its Chairman more specific roles in the management of Libertatem.

Subsection II

To improve the efficiency of the regional government and ensure that it shall remain small and uninfringing.

Subsection III

To abridge the constitution such that the Manager of Recruitment and Internal Affairs is, more concisely, the Manager of Internal Affairs.

Section II

The Meat and Potatoes of This Bill

Subsection I

The WA Delegate is officially granted the responsibilities and privileges of being Attorney General until otherwise appointed by the founder.

Subsection II

The Manager of Recruitment and Internal Affairs shall henceforth abdicate the privileges and responsibilities tied to recruitment and be reclassified as the Manager of Internal Affairs. He shall continue to deal with internal conflicts, should they arise, and otherwise look after the well-being of the region as permitted by law.

Subsection III

The Chairman of the Board shall serve as the primary adviser to the Delegate and founder in cases where new embassies, banning and/or ejecting nations from the region, or suppressing posts from the RMB are being considered and act as the voice of the Board when contributing to government decisions.

Subsection IV

The regular Board members will each be assigned one of the following positions by the founder:

- Imperial Representative, granted the privilege of a seat in the Imperial Congress

- Recruitment Specialist, granted the responsibility of introducing new nations into the region

- People's Attorney, a position meant to defend the rights of the region's non-government citizens (can be stripped of this power by citizen request but still retain board position)

- Political Specialist, granted the loose duty of ensuring nations are active in the political party process

Authored by: Conservative Idealism

UNDER POPULAR REVIEW, by you guys. What do you all think of my proposal, and how could I change it before we start a vote?

What I really need to do is make it sound more professional...

I like this place already...a haven from those liberal assholes in most regions.

Welcome Jafnaor! Tea Party Conservative should be added to the Empire soon.

Why didn’t I come here earlier?

So true Jafnaor. Welcome.

I'm glad to see all the new members joining the region.

Again, I am asking for any volunteers who wish to serve as soldiers to expand the Libertatem Empire. Telegram me if you are interested.

I just had an issue that's like "A man was hit by a bus and left there for days until the police tripped over him and arrested for loitering." The two choices were " I hate people that get hit by buses and they are freeloaders!!!" or " We must teach them to be more empathetic. This is terrible!" I picked the later because I am religious and thought of the Good Samaritan. Then it says "Citizens are tied down and forced to watch empathy videos." Wow. We need to do something about this. Also, I am "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy" because I was trying to get all the "pollution is killing all of your animals and plants." or "barren inhospitable landscape". It just gets on my nerves I guess.

To be listed as capitalist, you gotta pick the most capitalist/objectivist solutions, except when it comes to social issues, then pick the Christian option.

Tea Party Conservatives is the Empire's first annexed possession.

That's a great idea!

I like the bill, but the part about me being Attorney General temporarily is unnecessary.

"Following new legislation in The Constitutional Land of Freedom, the country's famous rainforests are being bulldozed." Cool. The forests have continued to be bulldozed, I guess they must just grow back super fast.

I like the bill a lot. What are people's feelings on additionally using the board for legal review in the event that constitutionality of a bill or a member's actions? Separately, should the board be used to confirm appointments? If people are supportive of these ideas, I can draft language.

We could add that to the BOARD Act bill.

Also, TGM, congrats on getting the Vice WA Delegate position - your nation has the second-highest number of endorsements in the region.

I like the idea of attorney general being able to appoint the board to assess the constitutionality, especially when attorney general could cause a conflict of interest.

But you're the Attorney General. You can already appoint Board members.

You know since there aren't many folks over at the empire yet and there isn't much activity I think I'll stay lazy and not make a puppet. I just don't want to deal with the account switching when I can maintain it on this one.

This SOTU is a joke I can't get enough of biden fidling around with papers and himself by scratching and making faces it's hilarious.

I do wish to let you all know that

a) I am a very (pro)vocative radical conservative

b) I tend to (I don't know for the life of me why) lean left on NS issues.

Just be sure to keep me in the light.

I don't remember seeing you before but it's good to have you here Mr.Owl It's good to have other opinions around here. Gets boring without any good debates.

Can I get some info on Obama's actual immigration record?

Well he allows kids that we're brought here by their parents at a young age to become citizens for 2 years as long as they go to college or enlist in the armed forces. Those kids and their families are still ILLEGAL though. Who cares about the law though in Obama's perspective?

He's such a good speaker, if I didn't know better, I might like him.

He just sounds good. All he is is a statist community organizer that wants ,obviously, for more government control. Just see behind his words and you'll find the same old communist manifesto rhetoric.

You start giving in into the Liberals now Liberosia and I might have to pack up and go.

No way, I'm a hard core conservative. Barely anything he says sounds good, just the way he says it.

He was a community organiser thats what he's good at. He better thank God for the teleprompter though. I hardly listened to him I was busy laughing at Biden. Also Boehner must have been playing the SOTU drinking game, anyone notice all those glasses?

Marco Rubio is making a good speech but the Republican establishment will overuse him and he'll either not run in 2016 or be so weak in 2016 he wont win the nomination. Thats my view atleast and thats why ( and obviously many other reasons ) I stick with Rand Paul.

Rubio is a hack moderate progressive Republican who supports big government.

About the whole gun control thing, the second amendment isn't about hunting. The founding fathers would have never considered taking hunting away. They hunted like we go the grocery store. It's not really about protecting your family either (though that's great). Its about protecting your freedom or even your country. Just as an example, lets say North Korea decided to invade the US (because their nukes are to much of a massive failure to hit us.). If they did, they couldn't win because of all of the armed Americans. In the word of WWII Japanese Commander and Chief Isoroku Yamamoto when asked about invading the Continental US "There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." We are the defenders of our country and they are trying to take their protection away.

Im tired of listening to this guy's speeches. I just don't watch them anymore. As a result I sleep better and avoid blood pressure problems. On a separate note, thanks to all who endorsed me. I did not seek or expect the position, but am grateful for your support and hope to serve the region well.

Macallan, try watching MSNBC. After about five minutes you start screaming and pulling your hair out. I always watch Fox.

Talk radio for the win! The SavageNation!

What do you think of my gun control rant? Good?

Excellent. It is the core principle of a free people to keep and bear arms. I love the quote from the Japanese Commander.

I really can't stand Rachel Madcow. Used to like fox news a lot, I have no problems with their news--its quite good--and watch it frequently, but their "analysis" (e.g., oreilly) can be a bit over the top at times. But savage, I can't get enough of that guy! Whether it's the story of the Italian guys on the dock, one armed frank or his observations on the political events of the day, he has figured out the formula for talk radio.

Yes--agree entirely with your points on gun control. Have always loved that blade of grass quote.

The Empire requires military support to sustain it. Anyone wishing to participate in the Libertatem military, please telegram me. We require WA nations so that we can add regions to our Empire.

I am reviving the PATRIOT Act written by Actum and myself. Voting will begin immediately and will end in roughly four days.

1-0

Woo, go PATRIOT!!!

WOOO SOCIALISM!

I vote no on PATRIOT once more.

Get that commies out of here! Also, voted yes.

Liberosia, if the patriot act is unchanged, then it is as unconstitutional as it was when it was rendered invalid by you following a challenge from me, as can be seen in COURT DOCUMENT 1/2013 in my factbook.

Patriot act? I thought we were discussing the eventuality of voting on the board act?

"I am reviving the PATRIOT Act written by Actum and myself. Voting will begin immediately and will end in roughly four days.

1-0"

-Liberosia 9 hours ago

Wish i knew how to italicise but theres your answer Mac

I read that. That's what I was reacting to. It was interjected in between a conversation about the board act. So does this mean that the board act is off the table?

It's most likely still up for discussion but will obviously have to wait on voting now due to Liberosia's rude and uncalled for revoting of a federally repealed bill.

Sorry Oceasia, you can't vote. I wish you could though. Only the people listed on the factbook.

Actum everyone can vote. You obviously haven't read our constitution because it states that all bills are proposed and voted in the house and all regional members are house members, therefore we all can vote as we all normally have.

I must ask members of the government to read the constitution, and respect it. It's there to be adhered to.

Oh ok never mind. I understand that but got confused and misspoke. I apologize.

Your alright sorry if we got a bit snappy with ya.

Its fine. I needed it.

Power to the people!

Letting all know, PATRIOT and BOARD are on at the same time.

So did we want the updated language in the Board Act that I was going to update? Or is CI fine with it as it stands and ready to submit it for a vote?

@Laxara, yes, power to the people, the free people that need government off their backs so they can do the the things I know they can do so well because they did them and made America great.

Voting on the PATRIOT Act:

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Snabagag, I'll count you as a "no vote", but you are refering to the NATION Act, which was ruled unconstitutional due to violation of rights to privacy. PATRIOT is perfectly constitutional and it looks like it will pass.

I vote yes on BOARD act.

I would like to propose this addition to the Board Act:

Subsection V

Powers of Judicial Review

Upon submission by either the Attorney General or the People's Attorney, the Board, with a simple majority vote, may overturn legislation it finds to be in contradiction with the Constitution or consider disciplinary measures for nations who the Board has found to have offended the region by acting outside of the confines of the Constitution. The decision by the Board will be final, although nations retain the power to amend the Constitution. In addition to submitting an issue for review, supporting or conflicting arguments may be provided by the People's Attorney and/or Attorney General. In the event of a tie vote, the Chairman of the board may use a total of two votes to settle the tie.

Note: the BOARD Act will have to be an amendment since it alters the constitution. You will need to follow amendment procedure.

I vote no on Patriot because Snabagag is right, it's unconstitutional. In fact, because of that, voting should cease right away since we are wasting time voting on something that will be repealed anyway.

Unless of course Liberosia decides to change the constitution again, and tell us all about it later. In which case, why have one?

Oh, sorry for my misunderstanding.

I call for a vote on my suggestion to change the criteria in the PATRIOT act on how to define communist nations to the following:

"Subsection Subsection I

A progressive tax rate that is above 60%[was 70%] of an individual's wealth or

Subsection Subsection II

Civil Rights and Political Freedoms that measure 20/100 [was 5/100] or below or"

I vote yes on that one, Snabagag.

Macallan, I changed it to increase efficiency and that was only a temporary power of mine. Your harsh criticism and obvious lack of respect for me and my efforts to run a region, fight a war, and create an empire are not appreciated. Say whatever you want, just know I don't appreciate your lack of respect for me.

9-3

Nothing personal, nor a lack of respect. You can take it however you like. It is a principled opposition to King-like powers concentrating in one individual. If you take that personally, then there's nothing I can do to stop you. But I will not apologize for calling it like I see it.

You have the power to start and stop votes on a whim and decide when to change the constitution, not to mention appoint anybody you like. How nice it must be nice to be the king! I mean, Emporer. I am sorry if I have offended you by only pointing out the facts. I have nothing but the utmost of respect for you.

How many of the 10 are puppets. I vote no by the way.

Liberosia I'm sorry that when the people stand up for the truth our opressor, excuse me I meant emperor, thinks its disrespect.

When do you plan on giving up this temporary power to change the constitution, by the way, Emporer?

Liberosia, I have not voted yet on the PATRIOT act.

I suspect it will pass anyway. Based on the way the region's voting rules are set up, he who has the most puppets gets his way, unfortunately.

Similar to the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ain't it?

Just letting you know, you can have your puppets vote AS WELL. This is NOT a one way street. Since there is no true way to find puppets, every nation has a vote.

The region is structured like a corporation, due to the fact that the private sector does things EFFICIENTLY. I introduced some direct democratic reforms at the expense of efficiency, not for it, obviously. The constitution was made with 3/4 of the government, so if you want to blame anyone, blame them for voting for it. You can seek an AMENDMENT to the constitution if you do not like it currently. I will SUPPORT a time line bill if you make it.

If you all don't want the Empire, I am not stopping you from repealing it. I just don't know if there's enough regional patriotism to sustain it.

Well personally I am a strong believer in one voice one vote so I won't sell out my morals again like I did for that empire position. I also honestly think that those of you that keep voting yes for these bills are to ignorant to understand our constitution or to scared of Liberosia to voice your opinion. You all may call yourselves conservatives or libertarians but a true one would never vote for descrimination, invasion of privacy, and despotic statism as seen lately.

You may notice, this region is in a perpetual state of war. It's even in the constitution. Everything I do is to defeat communism and expand capitalism. This region prohibits communism, so the PATRIOT Act merely sets the guidelines for eradicating the communists, who we are...

...at WAR with!

Also, since the region is structured like a corporation and acts like a company, the House voting system makes perfect sense. Each nation can be viewed as a stock in this company. As in the private sector, those with greater shares of the company have greater weight in the decisions it makes.

Remember everyone is suspension of constitutional rights, as proposed in NATION, and an empire really what we need to fight communism? Your rights will be suspended or destroyed if this goes on. Speak out for what you truly believe in, not what your superiority is doing.

And ISA, your version of the "truth" is just your opinion, which you have a right to voice, but don't think you have some kind of moral superiority over me because of your different opinion. While I fight communists abroad, I face dishonor and humiliation in my own region. People accusing me of being a dictator when I have followed every constitutional law and struggled for the cause of freedom. "Emperor" and "Empire" do NOT DENOTE dictatorship. In this region I am not even the emperor. Regions of the Empire have full secession rights!

NATION was overturned by me, because it was not constitutional. You had your idea of screening everybody who came in. Let facts be submitted, you are the hypocrite who wanted that legislation.

Your version of the truth is just your own deluded opinion Liberosia and you hate having someone stand up to you.

ISA, let's not get unnecessarily cruel, especially on a personal level.

Also, Liberosia, NATION act was overturned after my challenging it.

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