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Region: Libertatem
hey bubbas
I'm not gonna say it again, so listen closely, i support protect.
Pevvania
yo all the nations that voted, but arent citizens. BECOME CITIZENS.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism
Healthcare shouldn't be a commodity. People die because they can't afford healthcare. People's lives depend on their access to healthcare. It's sick.
Then would it be a right?
I think someone has right to their life, yes
Lives are finite by their very definition. Would it truly be ethical to prolong one's own life by a tiny margin if the act of doing so unduly burdened others?
Miencraft, Narland, Hyderbourg, Uadilifu
What's the oath of office? I feel like I am supposed to sworn in. I remember that I wasn't sworn in as Chancellor of State when I served.
Oaths are optional - have been since the end of the first republic. Besides, tradition has it that they're for legislators and Cabinet members, and you're more of a sub-Cabinet member.
Rateria
People do have a right to life, but since illness and death are inevitable, do you really have a right to avoid them?
Narland, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Pulceria
If healthcare is included, then what does that mean for someone who has the skills to care, but refuses to treat someone? Let's take the case of a village in Northern Quebec, where many times there is only one with the skills of a doctor. If that doctor refuses to treat someone without pay, then it would be a violation of the sick's right to life. How would reconcile this? Force the doctor to treat the sick?
Miencraft, Narland, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria
Nobody dies because they can't afford healthcare. There's a Hypocratic Oath in place and people taken to hospitals are instantly treated.
Pevvania, Narland, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria
Not at the VA hospitals, sadly.
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu
Dude, everything is a commodity, so to speak. Food, clothes, and housing are all consumer goods - should they be universally provided, too? You have no moral right to healthcare because you have no moral right to compel anyone else to serve you. Healthcare is a need, sure, but not a right. A right is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a mans freedom of action in a social context. The right to life means one has the moral right to their own life (as opposed to the king or state having a moral claim on someones life). If you have the right of self-ownership, then nobody can compel you to do anything. See what I'm getting at? Read this - http://memepoliceman.com/is-healthcare-a-right/
Healthcare is an important good, yes, but still a good like any other.
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Shirayuki Mizore, Uadilifu, Pulceria
We don't deserve you, man
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order
I noticed that the right to life and weather or not healthcare is included in that, is being discussed. this is my opinion the right to life falls under the category of negative rights. meaning we only keep other people from interfering with it. for example we put murderers in prison because they interfere with other peoples right to life. on the other hand healthcare is not part of it because it isn't any persons fault you got sick and therefor no one is interfering.
it is very important to note the difference because it can lead to big problems. for example, what if someone claimed that owning an Xbox was part of their pursuit of happiness. obviously that's a problem because they could claim that about anything. what they wont understand is that we don't make sure you can pursue happiness. we only make sure people don't stop you from pursuing happiness (steel, hurt, kill....etc).
if you want know more just google positive and negative rights.
sincerely Pulceria
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order
I agree 100%. Welcome to the region, Pulceria.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria
The reality is hat healthcare is a commodity (a product or service provided by another in recompense). No one has a right to coerce or defraud from another person their goods or services. It does not matter how supposedly noble the intent. To invoke compassion as the reason to do so is disingenuous. It is more compassionate to rely on Medicine as an independent charitable profession that allows the marketplace to instantly adjust to the needs of the individual in the community--where no one is turned away and the county taxpayers and charities (Shriners, Lutheran Social Services, Catholic Charities, County Indigent Boards) pay the difference.
This is a power grab for statists. It removes the historic players in Medicine from the table. It relegates it all to absolute control under the state (despotism and tyranny).
It turns physicians from an historic relatively free, self-regulating, self-governing, order of self-employed charitable professionals outside of state control to indentured servants at the beckon call of the state. The history of medicine is counterfactual to the Marxist narrative. The success of relatively free and open markets in providing basic affordable healthcare is unrepresented in the history of the world. It must be stopped at all costs as its very existence is a rebuttal to socialism.
Hospitals, hospice care, medical treatments and the people who devote their lives to "do no harm and turn no one away" fall under the auspices of religious Liberty and individualism. Indeed before there was a Modern Western Civilization, the synagogues and churches (in the west) and religions (in the east) were providing hospice and hospital care to all regardless of creed or ability to pay in spite of the cruelty of the despots and rulers who tried to eradicate their services because of their faiths. Charity is done best by the community. Charity done by the state is and always has been an abysmal failure. To relegate healthcare to the whims of the state is cruelty not compassion.
That's because the VA is government rationed healthcare.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu, Pulceria
Has anyone actually read The Law (book of the month). it has all of the answers your looking for. highly! recommend.
sincerely Pulceria.
Narland, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots
By the way, your compassion is laudable. No one in their right mind should ever be so heartless as to wish ill (in the literal sense) upon others. I am glad you care enough to speak your mind and see that justice is done.
Pulceria's post of negative and positive liberty is very similar but much more eloquent than what my response was.
Excellent post.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu, Pulceria
I think that healthcare when it is absolutely necessary is a right, but in any other case it is not.
absolutely necessary to what?
To live. If someone's dying, and it can be stopped by healthcare, they should have the right to it. If I just have a cold and I want medicine, I should have to pay for it.
thanks for clearing that up.
good point but I think I agree with hyderbourg
Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu
Look out world, because this man has no wife and an 18-inch dick.
dude not cool at all. please delete that post.
very sincerely Pulceria
Uadilifu
no
Rateria, Condealism
appliances?
At first, the ACA was supposed to be a meme party, but now, we're very close to winning a senate seat. Thank you to all who are currently voting for us, and to those who aren't, I can promise that we will make sure that this region succeeds in every way possible. As stated in our description, we will not let ideological differences get in our way of our law-making and problem solving.
Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu
The only real meme party here is AHM, duh.
Rateria
My fellow Libertatemians the time has come for change. I require your vote in order to help you even more. Also if you vote for me, I promise to become a democracy before the end of the month!
Uh...
I guess this voting is fake, then.
Post self-deleted by Hyderbourg.
You do realise that the elections are based around regional, not national, politics, right?
Miencraft, Rateria
Of course it is completely optional, but at this point, it makes sense for constituents to start moving their votes to some of the larger contenders.
If we only count citizens, right now we have a tie.
Condealism
For reference, official vote count is:
Balloon - 0
Venom - 7
Communisim - 3
Shira - 1
Sushi - 7
Rateria
Haha.
Golden
Rateria
no commies
If you want true change, I suggest you vote for ACA. We are completely open to working with anyone, regardless of their politics.
Glad you liked it!
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
I hate the affordable care act though
Pevvania, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu
Long hours and low pay make the working man proud
Alt. Centrist. Alliance.
Rateria
How's everyone doing today?
Acknowledging the fact that this means I'll have to vote against my party but in a move that I think is best for the region, I endorse Venom. I think either Venom or Sushi would do great but I have seen more activity out of Venom and hey a little party diversity never hurt anyone.
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu
Doing great today my man. Booked my visa appointment for 3 weeks time so I can officially get my student visa!
Humpheria, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Katzengrad
Hurry up before the borders close
Pevvania, Rateria
What do people here think of the band Backwordz?
Taste of their music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFBjY_Kj2ko
I have started a new political party, known as the Reform Party, believing in classical libertarianism and a mixture of conservative and progressive values.
is this Casin by glue70
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGO2ArD0X0
No what I'm saying is if you vote for me I will stop being a communist state and become more capitalist.
Why no endorsement for the Communist Party? I can do great things. If i can get a dead server filled with 40 players for a whole week, then I can help run a region as a elected official.
Also I like Puppies and baby penguins
I do read this rmb occasionally.
I saw there was a short discussion on healthcare, although I seemed to have missed it.
One of the most efficient healthcare system in the world is Singapore's, it has a mixture of the public sector and the private sector, it spends shockingly little on its healthcare yet receives great results.
https://youtu.be/WtuXrrEZsAg
Pevvania, Gaelic Eire Nua
Puppies and baby penguins would starve or be killed under communism, or y'know, eaten. Venezuelans are eating flamingos from zoos right now because they can't get any food under their socialist system. I'll take freedom instead.
Rateria
The Reform Party, the Classical Voice
The Reform Party advocates classical liberal and libertarian ideas such as free market capitalism, the right to life, liberty, and property, and believes strongly in a state/region OF, BY, and FOR the people. The Reform Party also advocates non-interventionism and in a time of threat, supports closing our borders until nations are properly vetted. The Reform Party stands for democracy, the majority opinion should be the status quo, no matter what. The Reform Party main platform currently is to advocate a restructuring of the political elections system, known in the Restructure of Elective Fixed Orders to the Resolved Majority (R.E.F.O.R.M Bill). The Reform Party believes in a direct democratic, fair, and egalitarian region.
Telegram Gaelic Eire Nua to join
Inissbeln
Sorry hombre, I recently authored a constitutional amendment that passed into law entitled REFORM (Reorganization of Edicts For Opportunity, Righteousness and Manumission) which you can read under our laws.
Nice manifesto otherwise, though.
Rateria, Gaelic Eire Nua
Shirayuki is a pretty food candidate I think. He's been in the region for quite a while and always contributes to the discussion.
Republic Of Minerva, Rateria
Agh, damn you! I will have to think of another acronym...
Rateria
Emphasis on the former
Ok I'll just say it. Gerald Ford was the greatest president of all time.
Okay. It will be:
E.I.R.E, the Elective and Independent Reform Edict.
Rateria
Care to explain how you plan on changing the electoral system?
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism
That sounds too close to eugenics for comfort.
You understand there is a procedure to start a party...
Narland, Rateria, Condealism
False, that was Harrison.
Die in office. Why can't every president do that?
Pevvania, Rateria, Uadilifu
Ah, yes. George was always my favorite president.
Mmmm, Shirayuki.
Rateria
Yes, and I'm doing that. I'm just explaining what it is to everyone first. Getting support.
The bill will most likely be out tomorrow
Rateria
The worst part about the consecration of certain topics is not that we may not discuss them, nor that we may doubt them, but that we may no longer joke about them.
Who doesn't like penguins--especially with BBQ sauce?
You beat me to the punchline. :)National Organization for the Reform of Majority Allectorate Laws --no that doesn't work... Ch.O.L.E.R.A --Change Our Laws Electoral Reform Amendment... it's a word... :) Measure to Ensure a Majority Electorate--MEME.
***Narland puts away the Scrabble tiles***
Invites, parlor games, the promise of free cake, dog and pony show, and clowns everywhere! ***Narland was refering to Political parties but it works for the other kind too.***
Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu, Gaelic Eire Nua
Do you have a Senator that has agreed to sponsor this legislation?
Rateria, Condealism
I thought you were?
Uhh I never agreed to sponsor anything? Lol why would I agree to sponsor something I haven't even read?
Pevvania, Condealism
"Let me know if you need anything from me including your bill." -telegram from you.
I also said that in the RMB yesterday. Regardless, it'll be out tomorrow most likely
Yeah, like help writing it...
I look forward to reading it.
Rateria, Condealism
Congratulations, Senator Venom!
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
Well, seeing how we already discussed it on the RMB I imagined that's what you meant.
Forget it. I'll get another Senator to.
Inissbeln
Okie dokie
Congratulations to our newest Senator, VenomRingo! And now, I am extremely proud to release what Senator Humpheria and I believe to be a very important step forward for our region.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Joint Statement
Reaganist Libertarian Party Central Office
Alt-Centrist Alliance Offices
The Alt-Centrist Alliance is proud to announce the formation of the Free Libertatem Coalition in cooperation with the Reaganist Libertarian Party. Libertatem is at a crossroads. Will we work tirelessly, together, to see Libertatem rise to the glory that it once possessed? We must come together to ensure the best success for Libertatem is achieved. It is in our grasp, but we cannot sit idly by concerned about the partisan disputes that can only hurt our community.
The RLP and the ACA will work in cooperation in fighting for Libertatem in the government and in the community. Setting aside partisan divides, we will work to ensure the elections of qualified and experienced candidates that will work for Libertatem, not for Party.
While our parties will join together in coalition, this is not a merger and both parties will remain independent in their procedures, campaigns, and existence.
"I believe that this is the greatest step that we can make as a group of concerned citizens towards the Libertatem that we all knew and loved that commanded international respect and domestic liberty." said Humpheria, Senator and Chairman of the RLP.
"Unity is a very important message of the Alt-Centrist Alliance, and it is imperative that we work with the other political parties of the region and do what is best. The RLP has proven that they are dedicated to serving this great region, and so it would be an honor to form this colition with them." Jadentopia, founder of the ACA and Solicitor General said.
The Free Libertatem Coalition will consist of any elected officials from either party. We are proud of this agreement and look to the future with faith that it is bright.
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Narland, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo
Thanks to all that have voted for me this is truly a shift in the traditional elections Libertatem has hosted for quite some time now! I am proud to be a part of that shift in that we have helped end the party pressure faced by many members of government and citizens, so props to all everyone who made that possible! Feel free to ask me to sponsor any bill that you think will benefit this region and I will work with you to push through it through the Senate, reword/alter it, or flat out reject it! Nonetheless, I look forward to working with my fellow Senators and I will introduce my first bill tomorrow!
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order, Gaelic Eire Nua
You can't expect [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] to sponsor something before reading it, but I'm more than certain he'd be willing to do so if he agreed with the content.
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism
Venomringo, we currently have enough senate votes to pass the PROTECT Act, but as congratulations and courtesy to your position, I would like to know if you have any suggested amendments before moving into the voting phase.
I also hope to see your vote so this decision is unanimous, it is important that the entire senate agrees on a matter as integral as this.
Rateria, Condealism
The RMB posts and telegrams seemed to ring that I'd have his support on the bill, after I declined his offer to concede the election and told him to keep his senatorial position.
I'll get another senator to do it.
Just so you all know, Humph wrote that whole statement, except for my quote. Let's give him a round of applause, because without him, this coalition would never have happened.
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Venomringo
Just talked to Jadentopia, the FLC would like to announce its support for the President and his administration despite his independent affiliation. Its all about coming together!
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
Closing the ideological gap!
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order
The FLC is all about what's best for Libertatem- not what's best for the party. Hyde and his administration are doing an excellent job in office, and it would be a crime to ignore that.
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg
*wipes a tear from my eye* Condy would be so proud... If only he was here to see this.
"But Jaden Condy's not dead, and you're stealing his meme aga-"
Emotional appeal gets much more support.
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo, Uadilifu
Article II, Section I...What defines a region being on "hood standing" with us? I don't want us to go to defend and waste our resources on every little region that was just founded. I think adding something defining what it means to be in good standing or, more importantly, useful to us and our interests. So maybe the Chancellor of War creates a list of vital regions to protect? Once we add something like that in there I support 100%.
Narland, Rateria, Condealism
Final count of citizen votes:
Balloon: 0
Venom: 9
Communisim: 5
Shirayuki: 3
Sushi: 6
Narland, Rateria, Condealism
Something like a ranking system might work. War guy puts them in order of most important to protect, to least. That way, if we're split between two, we know which one to protect.
Narland, Rateria, Venomringo
I completely agree the whole idea was that the Chancellor of War and the Chancellor of state work in tandem to determine which regions are truly in good standing, that way we can tackle each problem pragmatically.
If that was not clear enough in the current phrasing, I'll try to go in and add a few clarifying clauses.
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo
Would anybody mind giving me a summary of what happened today in Libertatem? I'm sorry I'm super busy with school but I would like to know about the regional happenings.
Yes, thank you!
Rateria, Condealism
The reason that I chose to be independent was not because the RLP was oppressive or tyrannical, the members of the RLP are among the most experienced and intelligent members of this region, most of them having sat where I sit today.
The reason I left the RLP was so other parties could feel more comfortable with me, so parties could know that my views were fluid and solely in the best interest of Libertatem.
It brings me great joy to see parties working together and I can't wait to work alongside them.
Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
Whatever.
"...Condy, that's all you have to say?"
Well, we're already Libertatemites. I thought it went without saying that we have close ties to one another.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Fixed. We're Libertatem, not the US :P
Miencraft, Rateria
It should go without saying. We should all be encouraging peace and love towards one another, regardless of political party, absolutely. Refrain from attacks and let's stick to the issues and have a civilized discussion. I feel I have made a lot of friends here already, hopefully that will grow. I commend the founders of the FLC for this concept of unity and to strive for equality and fairness in elections and regional politics.
Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order, Inissbeln
Venomringo give it another read. :P
Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo
Fantastic! I pledge my vote!
Rateria, Condealism
[nation=short]The United States of Patriots[/nation]: Despite not having moved here directly from the IRU, I suggest granting citizenship to former IRU citizens [nation=short]Cyborgs and Sentient Machines[/nation] and [nation=short]Linnuis[/nation]. (And before anyone asks, yes, I'm sure.)
Rateria, Republic Of Linnuis
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