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I stand with Minerva on the flag issue. The majority of nations voted for this flag. Does the Board wish to change the flag back to the flag that lost? Do we really want to change the flag constantly according to which party or branch of the RLP is in power?

Greetings, all!

I have created this nation today to formalize my candidacy for President. I'd like to talk about what a vote for Humpheria would mean.

Strength

I am a strong supporter of the War and have been since I first joined the region in October of 2013. I believe that under the leadership of General Pevvania, our region is on its way to real power. We are revered by those who revere liberty. We are feared by those who fear liberty. Our enemies fear liberty because it is a threat to their power. Those who have placed themselves in absolute power wish for it to remain that way. Giving the people liberty is a threat to that power. The people should be the most powerful group, and they are dangerous to tyrants.

Friendship

I will seek to broaden our borders and show friendship to our allies. I support the passage of the Free Movement Treaty because I believe in the immortal beliefs of our founder and our people. If you are a lover of liberty, you will always have a home in Libertatem.

Reform

Our judicial system is mangled and confusing. I am going to advocate for the creation of an autonomous judicial branch. Free from the influence of electoral politics and the will of one political interest or another. This includes the creation of a justice system. I will work with legal experts in the region to craft a constitutional amendment to create a bench with Justices that are dedicated to the law. Not politicians.

Patriotism

Libertatem is a great region, and we are all proud to call it our home. I feel the same. The current administration has been arguably the best that we've had so far. President Roads has given us something to be proud of. We have all made something to be proud of. I promise to continue in this direction and to ensure that Libertatem stays something that we can all be proud of.

Bipartisanship

I believe that all serious voices deserve to be heard. I think that all politicians would be better off shutting up every now and then and listening to those that have different ideas. Any sensible person knows that two political groups have opinions on a wide variety of issues. Why limit your opinion on some issues because of your opinion on another issue. As you saw tonight, I approve of an open Board because the times have changed. It does not mean that I agree with everything that others may, but it does mean that we cannot fight an issue just for the sake of politics. Progress before politics.

A vote for Humpheria is a vote for Libertatem! Thank you!

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

If you are for bipartisanship; would you enact reforms that would make it easier for minority parties to gain seats on the Board? Such as proportional representation. The RLP would still have a majority but this reform would let other parties in the Board. Currently any minority candidate has to appeal to the RLP to have his voice heard. Will you change this?

A first draft, in response to the discussion on Board transparency:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

Thoughts, everybody?

The New United States wrote:A first draft, in response to the discussion on Board transparency:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

Thoughts, everybody?

I fully support this as a temporary measure, though I still advocate for a unicameral legislature.

The American Empire In Libertatem

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:If you are for bipartisanship; would you enact reforms that would make it easier for minority parties to gain seats on the Board? Such as proportional representation. The RLP would still have a majority but this reform would let other parties in the Board. Currently any minority candidate has to appeal to the RLP to have his voice heard. Will you change this?

I believe in bipartisanship and am open to ideas, but I do not support the concept of proportional representation. Every citizen is already a member of the legislative branch. Thus, instituting such a policy would be frivolous and an unnecessary expansion of government. The nature of the Board is to represent the will of the people to the executive, we must remember that the Board is elected by the people. Not appointed by a party. It once was this way. It was a long time ago, many don't remember but before President Pevvania and I worked on the ELECT Amendment which made the Board an elected body. I believe that the reason that the Board is dominated by one political group is basic political science. Our region has a serious lack of political diversity and it is not the place of any government official to dictate the political beliefs of any private citizen, which would be the only way to rectify your specific concern that is reasonable to Libertatem's structure.

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

The New United States wrote:A first draft, in response to the discussion on Board transparency:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

Thoughts, everybody?

I also support this bill on the condition that it is elaborated on and put up for debate to the members of the Board under the parameters established in the legislation.

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

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The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:I nominate Minerva for the Presidency! Minerva 2015!

Great! I welcome a worthy opponent like Manager Minerva!

However, he isn't in the race until he announces his candidacy, there is no such thing as a nomination. Like the WFE says, feel free to talk to him though!

Humpheria For Libertatem wrote:I believe in bipartisanship and am open to ideas, but I do not support the concept of proportional representation. Every citizen is already a member of the legislative branch. Thus, instituting such a policy would be frivolous and an unnecessary expansion of government. The nature of the Board is to represent the will of the people to the executive, we must remember that the Board is elected by the people. Not appointed by a party. It once was this way. It was a long time ago, many don't remember but before President Pevvania and I worked on the ELECT Amendment which made the Board an elected body. I believe that the reason that the Board is dominated by one political group is basic political science. Our region has a serious lack of political diversity and it is not the place of any government official to dictate the political beliefs of any private citizen, which would be the only way to rectify your specific concern that is reasonable to Libertatem's structure.

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

This would be true if the house possessed actual influence under the current system. The unfortunate fact is that the number of inactive citizens in the house renders it defunct.

If we were to limit house membership to active nations but retain the current system, then the house would be tiny and overly powerful.

If we truly wish for a system in which all citizens are involved in the political process, we must introduce a single legislative body in which all present members, excluding the president, vp, and attorney general have a vote.

Though the chances of victory are slim, I wish to announce my candidacy for President of Libertatem. It is important that I, as the leader of a new party, use this opportunity to spread POG's message.

The American Empire In Libertatem

Kings Island wrote:This would be true if the house possessed actual influence under the current system. The unfortunate fact is that the number of inactive citizens in the house renders it defunct.

If we were to limit house membership to active nations but retain the current system, then the house would be tiny and overly powerful.

If we truly wish for a system in which all citizens are involved in the political process, we must introduce a single legislative body in which all present members, excluding the president, vp, and attorney general have a vote.

Though the chances of victory are slim, I wish to announce my candidacy for President of Libertatem. It is important that I, as the leader of a new party, use this opportunity to spread POG's message.

Welcome to the race! What is your opinion on some other issues other than legislative reform?

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:If you are for bipartisanship; would you enact reforms that would make it easier for minority parties to gain seats on the Board? Such as proportional representation. The RLP would still have a majority but this reform would let other parties in the Board. Currently any minority candidate has to appeal to the RLP to have his voice heard. Will you change this?

The board is representative of what the people want. We aren't giving board seats away, you must earn them. The RLP gained its followers on its on, and created its own power. Your party can do the same, without government bailouts.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:If you are for bipartisanship; would you enact reforms that would make it easier for minority parties to gain seats on the Board? Such as proportional representation. The RLP would still have a majority but this reform would let other parties in the Board. Currently any minority candidate has to appeal to the RLP to have his voice heard. Will you change this?

Good sir it is not his job to do that. It is up to you to get your own seat.

The New United States wrote:A first draft, in response to the discussion on Board transparency:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

Thoughts, everybody?

I have nothing to hide, sure

Humpheria For Libertatem wrote:I also support this bill on the condition that it is elaborated on and put up for debate to the members of the Board under the parameters established in the legislation.

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

Then I motion, Board, that public discourse regarding The TABLOID Act begins now and that a vote be held after at least 24 hours.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

The only problem that I can think of, as of now, will be the fact that Board votes will become a complicated matter when the RMB is busy. In order to counter this, I would suggest that whoever motions for a vote to begin must inform all of his colleagues that he has done so, with a simple telegram with a link to the RMB post. This, I think, is the best solution, but I do not think that the legislation should spell out the process and micromanage how it is done.

I think that the twenty-four hour discussion period is a very necessary component of the law, and is perhaps long overdue. I've, to be honest, been frustrated before with the fact that there is sometimes absolutely no discussion at all, before a vote is held. This will allow us to be more thorough and critical of all the laws we pass, while also better involving the public in the discussion process.

Kings Island

Hallo Island wrote:The board is representative of what the people want. We aren't giving board seats away, you must earn them. The RLP gained its followers on its on, and created its own power. Your party can do the same, without government bailouts.

The current system has everyone voting for every seat. An example of this in the real world would be citizens from the entire state as a whole; electing every representative. That would mean that a state like Michigan would have everyone of its representatives be elected under the Democratic Party. If we have the same majority electing every seat then the voice of the minority will never be heard.

The New United States wrote:Then I motion, Board, that public discourse regarding The TABLOID Act begins now and that a vote be held after at least 24 hours.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=452941

The only problem that I can think of, as of now, will be the fact that Board votes will become a complicated matter when the RMB is busy. In order to counter this, I would suggest that whoever motions for a vote to begin must inform all of his colleagues that he has done so, with a simple telegram with a link to the RMB post. This, I think, is the best solution, but I do not think that the legislation should spell out the process and micromanage how it is done.

I think that the twenty-four hour discussion period is a very necessary component of the law, and is perhaps long overdue. I've, to be honest, been frustrated before with the fact that there is sometimes absolutely no discussion at all, before a vote is held. This will allow us to be more thorough and critical of all the laws we pass, while also better involving the public in the discussion process.

*applause*

Humpheria wrote:Welcome to the race! What is your opinion on some other issues other than legislative reform?

I fully support the war on authoritarianism though, as I stated, I prefer to take a defensive and diplomatic stance. In regards to foreign policy, I intend to do the following;

1. Increase our involvement in the SC.

2. Create a regional newspaper for the distribution of regional propaganda, similar to the Red and Black peddled by our enemies.

3. Negotiate the creation of a purely defensive alliance among democratic regions, to improve our image.

4. Create an image of a liberal and democratic region by increasing minor party involvement and repealing Article VIII.

As you can see, I intend to wage a cold war of propaganda and politics in addition to the hot war we currently fight.

I will post in regards to judicial reform and other issues later.

The American Empire In Libertatem

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The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:The current system has everyone voting for every seat. An example of this in the real world would be citizens from the entire state as a whole; electing every representative. That would mean that a state like Michigan would have everyone of its representatives be elected under the Democratic Party. If we have the same majority electing every seat then the voice of the minority will never be heard.

No sir, the Board is the Senate of the region. The Senate is elected by everyone. By your logic, how can Indiana have one Republican Senator and one Democrat Senator?

Well Indiana would have 1 republican and 1 democrat because you don't usually elect both senators at the same time and public opinion and momentum changes in every election.

Kings Island wrote:I fully support the war on authoritarianism though, as I stated, I prefer to take a defensive and diplomatic stance. In regards to foreign policy, I intend to do the following;

1. Increase our involvement in the SC.

2. Create a regional newspaper for the distribution of regional propaganda, similar to the Red and Black peddled by our enemies.

3. Negotiate the creation of a purely defensive alliance among democratic regions, to improve our image.

4. Create an image of a liberal and democratic region by increasing minor party involvement and repealing Article VIII.

As you can see, I intend to wage a cold war of propaganda and politics in addition to the hot war we currently fight.

I will post in regards to judicial reform and other issues later.

I look forward to debating you. A solid platform indeed.

Kings Island, The American Empire In Libertatem

Humpheria wrote:I look forward to debating you. A solid platform indeed.

Thank you. We should schedule some sort of structured debate on the forums, once we get closer to the election.

Humpheria

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:Well Indiana would have 1 republican and 1 democrat because you don't usually elect both senators at the same time and public opinion and momentum changes in every election.

The electorate does not. I work on politics, trust me. I was affiliated with the Senate race that elected Mr. Donnelly. Indiana politics does not change so easily. The elections are not far apart when you look at booth seats.

America does not have proportional representation, it has a lower and upper house. Like Libertatem. The House gives the minority a voice without bailing out unsuccessful politicians. You advocate for democracy. Democracy is literally the people speaking on elections. Democracy is not giving away seats in the legislature to anyone that asks for them. Democracy is the voice of the people speaking about their representation. Democracy is not an unnecessary expansion of government to pander to those who have exhausted other avenues to power. If you wish for your party to be given power, earn it. If you wish for your party to be given votes, earn them. If you want your party to gain legitimacy, earn it. Do not ask the government to give it to you.

Humpheria wrote:The electorate does not. I work on politics, trust me. I was affiliated with the Senate race that elected Mr. Donnelly. Indiana politics does not change so easily. The elections are not far apart when you look at booth seats.

America does not have proportional representation, it has a lower and upper house. Like Libertatem. The House gives the minority a voice without bailing out unsuccessful politicians. You advocate for democracy. Democracy is literally the people speaking on elections. Democracy is not giving away seats in the legislature to anyone that asks for them. Democracy is the voice of the people speaking about their representation. Democracy is not an unnecessary expansion of government to pander to those who have exhausted other avenues to power. If you wish for your party to be given power, earn it. If you wish for your party to be given votes, earn them. If you want your party to gain legitimacy, earn it. Do not ask the government to give it to you.

I'd like to clarify that POG advocates for the complete replacement of the legislature, not proportional representation in and of itself.

That said, I agree that the current system is nonsensical. Electing multiple officials from the same electorate at the same time nearly ensures that the winning candidates will be closely affiliated.

If the current system remains in place, I would favor a system whereby citizens list there first through fifth choices, with their first choice candidate receiving five votes and each descending candidate one less, with the top 5 candidates winning board seats.

Again, I don't advocate for this, but it would be better than the current FPTP voting.

The American Empire In Libertatem

Additionally, representitive democracy is only necessary in large bodies. In city-states and NS regions, direct democracy is more representative.

The American Empire In Libertatem

Good night everybody. I'm glad that we got a good day of friendly debate under our belts.

Humpheria wrote:Good night everybody. I'm glad that we got a good day of friendly debate under our belts.

As am I. Goodnight folks.

I'm tired but I figured I'd check in and toss in my official support for the Humph/Hallo cause.

Also didn't read all of what's happened but some of that stuff seems interesting.

As for that TABLOID thing, perhaps we could have another region for Board discussion or something; we do that for trials already. Just shove a link to that region in the WFE so it's easy to see.

Tyrinth, Humpheria

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Get out of here me too

It really blows, was hoping I'd feel better by now so I could go back to work..

When is election day?

I've just got internet back for the first time in two weeks and am just going to warn any British players not to use Tesco broadband, their customer service and complaint control is possibly the worst I've ever come across.

Miencraft wrote:I'm tired but I figured I'd check in and toss in my official support for the Humph/Hallo cause.

Also didn't read all of what's happened but some of that stuff seems interesting.

As for that TABLOID thing, perhaps we could have another region for Board discussion or something; we do that for trials already. Just shove a link to that region in the WFE so it's easy to see.

I was thinking something like that. That is what I was going to bring to the table.

Humpheria wrote:It has passed the Board and awaits presidential signature.

Muh Roads

Kings Island wrote:Additionally, representitive democracy is only necessary in large bodies. In city-states and NS regions, direct democracy is more representative.

Every time I hear the acronym for your party I think of pogs and we just can't have that.

I looked through the world, there are a ton of Communist regions out there.

I think the Vice President has done a good job defending the Board from these unfounded ideological attacks, so I don't see it as necessary to jump into this one.

However, I do agree that the Board needs to be more transparent. When I was Chairman, we largely voted on the RMB, and I tried to log every vote or decision. Although I don't think that the secrecy of the Board is the fault of Humpheria. To put it bluntly, many Board Members just can't be bothered to respond to RMB vote calls, and respond quicker via telegram, which I think is problematic.

What do you mean by "more transparent"?

My dog stepped on my laptop and now nationstates is in antiquity mode and idk how she managed that.

"Tried to"? During my October term as Chairman, I succeeded in logging everything the Board did (which was, to be honest, more than I thought it did). The only reason it didn't carry over to November was because of my faulty, dead laptop.

And if someone with near-zero organizational ability - like me - can successfully keep a log, I think any Chairman can and should do the same... it's traditional, but not mandatory, to make the Board transparent in this regard.

Pevvania

Midland County wrote:Every time I hear the acronym for your party I think of pogs and we just can't have that.

Who/what exactly is pogs?

Kings Island wrote:Who/what exactly is pogs?

A popular children's collectible game from the early 90's derived from a soft drink called POG. I'm fairly sure it literally stands for passionfruit, orange, guava.

What do you want to see in Libertatem?

If you have an opinion on any issue that you would like for Vice President Humpheria to address, telegram or tag this nation with your question and you can expect a response.

[Paid for and approved by Humph/Hallo 2015]

rick santorum is a libertarian republican. if rand or jeb bush dont win, he'll get my vote!!!

Pevvania wrote:rick santorum is a libertarian republican. if rand or jeb bush dont win, he'll get my vote!!!

Go home Pev, you're drunk.

Tyrinth, Kings Island, Pevvania

Humpheria wrote:Go home Pev, you're drunk.

but he wants to bomb iran. thats freedom right????

100 new RMB posts! O_O

I hereby sign the BANNER act.

Pevvania, The New United States, Humpheria, Reaganomic Nws

Reaganomic Nws wrote:100 new RMB posts! O_O

A bill was passed, two new political parties were created (Minerva's Democratic Reform Party and my Party for Open Governance) and a debate ensued. Oh, and a the TABLOID Act was proposed.

Reaganomic Nws

Muh Roads wrote:I hereby sign the BANNER act.

Rejoice! Congratulations Mr. President!

Pevvania, The New United States

I hereby motion that we, the Board, immediately hold a public vote on returning our flag to its previous state (the flag I am currently using), at least until we create and decide on a new flag.

Aye

Pevvania

The New United States wrote:I hereby motion that we, the Board, immediately hold a public vote on returning our flag to its previous state (the flag I am currently using), at least until we create and decide on a new flag.

Aye

Since no other option has been presented and its better than the other, aye.

Thank you, Lenin, for the NEP!

The New United States wrote:I hereby motion that we, the Board, immediately hold a public vote on returning our flag to its previous state (the flag I am currently using), at least until we create and decide on a new flag.

Aye

Aye

Nay because if we're just going to change it then it's pointless.

Plus we're overruling a house vote.

Vivat Libertatem!

Humpheria

Hallo Island wrote:Plus we're overruling a house vote.

No, it was established as is by an executive order that was a result of a referendum. Not a House vote.

With 3/2 majority, the motion passes and the flag is hereby ordered to be changed.

Pevvania wrote:Thank you, Lenin, for the NEP!

Yay

Pevvania

It's a sad day for democracy in Libertatem.

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So I'm going to be working on overhauling citizenship applications to be a more in-depth test that actually checks to ensure people know the laws before they apply.

I don't anticipate this taking too long, so I won't be processing any applications until I'm done. No current citizens are going to need to apply again when the test changes.

Similarly, if we have/will have (I honestly have no idea if that ever got passed) embassy citizens, they probably won't need to take the test either, but I'll see exactly what I do with that when it comes up.

Pevvania wrote:Thank you, Lenin, for the NEP!

Ew Lenin...

I like the new regional flag!

Pevvania, The New United States

Reaganomic Nws wrote:I like the new regional flag!

For a little background, it was basically our flag since the very beginning, until a referendum got it changed a few months back.

Pevvania wrote:For a little background, it was basically our flag since the very beginning, until a referendum got it changed a few months back.

I do really hate that flag.

Can we get a flag that represents something other than hatred?

Kings Island, Republic Of Minerva, The American Empire In Libertatem

We could, you know, have a flag that represents liberty.

Republic Of Minerva, Hallo Island, Midland County, The American Empire In Libertatem

I am not surprised that the RLP establishment (not hallo or anyone who believes in democracy in the region) changed the flag back to a symbol of hatred. A symbol that does not represent libertatem,Libertarianism,or freedom. We are more then just a region that is at war with Communists.

Republic Of Minerva, Hallo Island

There is a solution.

Join the Democratic Reform Party and I'll create a big enough voting bloc to give the RLP a run for their money.

/shameless advertising

Muh Roads

I'll be off camping until the 29th. If elections happen before that I'd like to say that my vote goes to humpheria.

You could call this absentee vote.

I'll rebutt this nonsense when I'm off from work.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:I am not surprised that the RLP establishment (not hallo or anyone who believes in democracy in the region) changed the flag back to a symbol of hatred. A symbol that does not represent libertatem,Libertarianism,or freedom. We are more then just a region that is at war with Communists.

Plus, it's a statist, prohibitionist symbol. The same symbol you'll see on the streets banning things like cigarettes. Hardly libertarian indeed.

The Aradites wrote:I'll be off camping until the 29th. If elections happen before that I'd like to say that my vote goes to humpheria.

You could call this absentee vote.

Do me a favor and recolor that flag if you're gonna use it.

Preferably don't use that particular banner, as it was supposed to be unique to me, but if you want to use it please recolor it first.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:I am not surprised that the RLP establishment (not hallo or anyone who believes in democracy in the region) changed the flag back to a symbol of hatred. A symbol that does not represent libertatem,Libertarianism,or freedom. We are more then just a region that is at war with Communists.

Not under my reich!

(Joking)

Ah, back to the old "no hammers and sickles allowed" banner. How nostalgic. (Polarizing, but nostalgic.)

If you guys really don't like the flag, though, create a new one and get the Board to vote on it.

Hallo Island

The New United States wrote:I'll rebutt this nonsense when I'm off from work.

Democracy is not nonsense.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:Democracy is not nonsense.

The elected representatives in the legislative board did something I don't agree with, therefore it's not democracy.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:Democracy is not nonsense.

This region is a voluntary association of individuals, so if you think you're so oppressed, why don't you democratically escort yourself to a region that wasn't founded upon waging an ideological war?

Did the house have a say? The house is the branch that changed it in the first place. If anything the house should be the one to choose to fly the RLP flag.

The New United States wrote:This region is a voluntary association of individuals, so if you think you're so oppressed, why don't you democratically escort yourself to a region that wasn't founded upon waging an ideological war?

This region was founded as a Libertarian region. Constant war is not Libertarian.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:Did the house have a say? The house is the branch that changed it in the first place. If anything the house should be the one to choose to fly the RLP flag.

Though I may not support the current constitution, I'd like to remind you that the board's actions were fully legal.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:This region was founded as a Libertarian region. Constant war is not Libertarian.

This region was founded as a voluntary military-association of Libertarian individuals. This region was never managed in a libertarian fashion.

The New United States wrote:This region was founded as a voluntary military-association of Libertarian individuals. This region was never managed in a libertarian fashion.

Rather, it was not managed in a libertarian fashion at the outset, as you portray it. We are much freer now than when this region began.

Kings Island wrote:Though I may not support the current constitution, I'd like to remind you that the board's actions were fully legal.

This.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:This region was founded as a Libertarian region. Constant war is not Libertarian.

No, it wasn't. It was founded to resemble a business, and the War on Communism began not two weeks after that happened.

You know who introduced the libertarianism and democracy to this region? That's right - the founding members of the RLP did.

I get that you don't like the flag. Design a better one. Get the Board to vote on it. That's all you have to do.

Miencraft, The New United States, Humpheria

Unlike some other minor political parties, POG recognizes the strides made by the RLP towards democracy; indeed, the reaganists have made vast contributions to this region.

Yet we must reevaluate even the most open system. It is our responsibility, as citizens, to improve this region's legislative and legal system. The Reagenist Libertarian Party has sounded the call of freedom; but perhaps it is time for a new voice to be heard.

- I'm Kings Island, and I approve this message.

The American Empire In Libertatem

Condealism wrote:Ah, back to the old "no hammers and sickles allowed" banner. How nostalgic. (Polarizing, but nostalgic.)

If you guys really don't like the flag, though, create a new one and get the Board to vote on it.

Exactly

Condealism wrote:This.

No, it wasn't. It was founded to resemble a business, and the War on Communism began not two weeks after that happened.

You know who introduced the libertarianism and democracy to this region? That's right - the founding members of the RLP did.

I get that you don't like the flag. Design a better one. Get the Board to vote on it. That's all you have to do.

Hallelujah

Condealism wrote:This.

No, it wasn't. It was founded to resemble a business, and the War on Communism began not two weeks after that happened.

You know who introduced the libertarianism and democracy to this region? That's right - the founding members of the RLP did.

I get that you don't like the flag. Design a better one. Get the Board to vote on it. That's all you have to do.

I'm a bit shaky on regional history, but wasn't Libertatem rather conservative before the RLP?

Condealism wrote:This.

No, it wasn't. It was founded to resemble a business, and the War on Communism began not two weeks after that happened.

You know who introduced the libertarianism and democracy to this region? That's right - the founding members of the RLP did.

I get that you don't like the flag. Design a better one. Get the Board to vote on it. That's all you have to do.

OK then the opposition will work on this new flag and we will present it to the board.

Kings Island wrote:I'm a bit shaky on regional history, but wasn't Libertatem rather conservative before the RLP?

Very conservative indeed. That was back when I considered myself a conservative rather than a libertarian.

To give you an idea of how far right we leaned, we even had our own Empire for a time. But that was before the region became a truly democratic republic, of course.

To wrap it up Libertatem was totally cool lining up with the fash.

Again, not under my reich. =P

Kings Island

We thought that the fascists would be willing to team up with us against the communists.

As it turns out, that was even less likely than if The Red Fleet were to drop what they're doing right now and propose we join them in sacking Third Rome... which is to say, so unlikely that it borders on ludicrousness.

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Condealism wrote:We thought that the fascists would be willing to team up with us against the communists.

Under your administration, to boot! Minerva and Pevvania both reached out to Woodhouse asking how to raid.

Condealism wrote:As it turns out, that was even less likely than if The Red Fleet were to drop what they're doing right now and propose we join them in sacking Third Rome... which is to say, so unlikely that it borders on ludicrousness.

The Red Fleet working with y'all may have been possible if 1) this region hadn't made it abundantly clear that you're willing to collude with fascists when it suits you (which is very frequently, in examining the evidence) and 2) you had anything of value to bring to the table.

I'm all for hitting fash targets with whoever, but I have no reason to expect that Libertatem would stop trying to buddy up with them long enough to actually attack them.

If you're done insulting me, am I to take this as a serious offer?

Condealism wrote:If you're done insulting me, am I to take this as a serious offer?

What offer? I didn't make any.

It's always convenient to remember that RLP was the change.

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