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Auxorii wrote:The anarchists actually achieved communism in Catalonia and Ukraine

Through creating a de facto totalitarian state of their own to expropriate and redistribute wealth. Anarcho-communism has, unfortunately, never led to anything but the exact same things you saw in the earliest days of Bolshevik rule.

Miencraft, Nay Hofn

Fairbankska wrote:Through creating a de facto totalitarian state of their own to expropriate and redistribute wealth. Anarcho-communism has, unfortunately, never led to anything but the exact same things you saw in the earliest days of Bolshevik rule.

Actually, Catalonia never had a totalitarian state or a government. The worker's unions, mainly CNT-FAI ran the country. The reason why it fell was because of Franco

Auxorii wrote:The issue isn't the critiques of capitalism, Marx's critiques of capitalism and class hierarchy are well thought out arguments and are a good thing to look at and study.

The issue was his solution.

A massive totalitarian state that takes all the private property from land owners and then, transitionally "gives it to the workers" in a looooong process according to Lenin. Absurd. The anarchists actually achieved communism in Catalonia and Ukraine and Bakunin is rolling in his grave.

Lol Marx critiques and arguments are not well based.

His solution was horrible.

The social-anarchists,are not really anarchists cause they make again a "state" and have some power or government in it(Confederation,anarchist guerillas,"people's council" etc)

Catalonia was a mess as all the Republic.

In the one corner you had the Republicans with the Dem Socs,on the other you had Soviet backed Stalinist anf one the other Lib Coms and Anarchists.How could they won Franco and his Phalangists and the Nazi/Italian troops.

"Free teritory" wasn't really anarchist.

Pevvania, Fairbankska

Auxorii wrote:Actually, Catalonia never had a totalitarian state or a government. The worker's unions, mainly CNT-FAI ran the country. The reason why it fell was because of Franco

The collectivizations at gunpoint that the CNT-FAI presided over were by definition totalitarian, in that there were no limits to public authority and the public/private division wasn't recognized. It was dominated by a nascent union bureaucracy that honestly looks little different from the very earliest stages of Bolshevism.

Pevvania, Narland, Nay Hofn

Condealism wrote:Brawndo's got electrolytes

it's what plants crave

Condealism, Fairbankska

Humpheria wrote:Trump is libertarian

Trump is fairly authoritarian, actually. Though, it's hard to get a consistent opinion from him

Auxorii, Nay Hofn

hi

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Nay Hofn

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:hi

Welcome to the Second Republic of Libertatem! How are you?

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Nay Hofn

The only argument, ever, used by social democrats/democratic socialists to justify their policies is "look at Scandinavia". Scandinavia is built on a heavily free-market model. Few subsidies, extensive free trade, strong property rights protections and low regulations (there are no minimum wage laws in any of the Nordic countries) are hallmarks of the Nordic Model. And as I've explained before, the Scandinavian countries have become progressively poorer or richer in correspondence with their expansions and or reductions in the welfare state.

Yet the soc-dems and dem-socs never invoke France, or Belgium, or Italy, or Greece or the other failed states that have tried to implement social democracy and welfare statism and failed miserably. On the other hand, while these are demonstrably large welfare states that resulted in fiscal collapse or stagnation, there has not been a single case of economic failure after free-market reforms. The only failure of neoliberal reforms is failure to implement the reforms, which happens most often in dictatorships or corrupt states that do not have the institutions in place for free markets. For example, many privatisation programs implemented in African nations have resulted in state-owned industries simply being sold off to high-ranking politicians owning them privately. Corporatism and top-down statism do not equate to the free market.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Fairbankska, Nay Hofn, Claminka

Pevvania wrote:Welcome to the Second Republic of Libertatem! How are you?

Been better, been worse, yet always happy as usual. And you?

Condealism

The anarchists in Catalonia only achieved massive inflation and 8,000 dead people.

Pevvania, Narland, Auxorii, Fairbankska, Nay Hofn

Auxorii wrote:The issue isn't the critiques of capitalism, Marx's critiques of capitalism and class hierarchy are well thought out arguments and are a good thing to look at and study.

The issue was his solution.

No, they weren't. The guy came up with a couple of interesting concepts (like naming capitalism itself, for example) just as Keynes did decades later, but Marx completely misdiagnosed the problems of society and had 0 understanding of economics. His labour theory of value is laughably wrong and juvenile. His ideas have left humanity considerably worse off, and plunged half of the world during the 20th Century into unspeakable darkness.

Also, the guy was a bum who lived off of other people, banged his maid and caused the deaths of his entire family due to his laziness and unwillingness to work. Marx is a MESS!

Auxorii wrote:A massive totalitarian state that takes all the private property from landowners and then, transitionally "gives it to the workers" in a looooong process according to Lenin. Absurd. The anarchists actually achieved communism in Catalonia and Ukraine and Bakunin is rolling in his grave.

I hate this internet edgelord concept that the 'real communism' that occurred in pockets of Europe in the first of of the 20th Century can somehow be perceived as successful models. Both "anarchist" Catalonia and "anarchist" Ukraine were quagmires of violence and lawlessness that fell short on almost every qualifier for 'anarcho-communism'. The gangs and despots that ran them into the ground were the governments.

Communism has never and will never work.

Miencraft, Narland, Condealism, Fairbankska, Nay Hofn

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:Been better, been worse, yet always happy as usual. And you?

I'm just a happy camper, rockin'- and-a rollin'!

Narland

To be fair the Labor Theory of Value was around before even Marx. Marx however perpetuated it a lot.

Pevvania wrote:No, they weren't. The guy came up with a couple of interesting concepts (like naming capitalism itself, for example) just as Keynes did decades later, but Marx completely misdiagnosed the problems of society and had 0 understanding of economics. His labour theory of value is laughably wrong and juvenile. His ideas have left humanity considerably worse off, and plunged half of the world during the 20th Century into unspeakable darkness.

Also, the guy was a bum who lived off of other people, banged his maid and caused the deaths of his entire family due to his laziness and unwillingness to work. Marx is a MESS!

I hate this internet edgelord concept that the 'real communism' that occurred in pockets of Europe in the first of of the 20th Century can somehow be perceived as successful models. Both "anarchist" Catalonia and "anarchist" Ukraine were quagmires of violence and lawlessness that fell short on almost every qualifier for 'anarcho-communism'. The gangs and despots that ran them into the ground were the governments.

Communism has never and will never work.

*Communism fails* "That's okay, it wasn't real Communism."

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, The Completly Oppressive States, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska, Claminka

Rateria wrote:*Communism fails* "That's okay, it wasn't real Communism."

Just like I'm not real oppression?

"IT CAN WORK FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE PEOPLE!!! *cries in corner*

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:No, they weren't. The guy came up with a couple of interesting concepts (like naming capitalism itself, for example) just as Keynes did decades later, but Marx completely misdiagnosed the problems of society and had 0 understanding of economics. His labour theory of value is laughably wrong and juvenile. His ideas have left humanity considerably worse off, and plunged half of the world during the 20th Century into unspeakable darkness.

Also, the guy was a bum who lived off of other people, banged his maid and caused the deaths of his entire family due to his laziness and unwillingness to work. Marx is a MESS!

I hate this internet edgelord concept that the 'real communism' that occurred in pockets of Europe in the first of of the 20th Century can somehow be perceived as successful models. Both "anarchist" Catalonia and "anarchist" Ukraine were quagmires of violence and lawlessness that fell short on almost every qualifier for 'anarcho-communism'. The gangs and despots that ran them into the ground were the governments.

Communism has never and will never work.

I agree totally with you.

Marx's life is like many video game characters ;p

Pevvania, Narland

So guys as i see your debates on Marxism,"Anarchist Catalonia" and "Free Teritory",i would like to know about your political(and economical) views or if you support a particular party in your country.

Nay Hofn wrote:So guys as i see your debates on Marxism,"Anarchist Catalonia" and "Free Teritory",i would like to know about your political(and economical) views or if you support a particular party in your country.

I wish I could say libertarian but I'm not anymore I'd say conservative but I'm not that either, I just sit in the middle anymore and cry at the failures of all sides of the spectrum.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Nay Hofn

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:I wish I could say libertarian but I'm not anymore I'd say conservative but I'm not that either, I just sit in the middle anymore and cry at the failures of all sides of the spectrum.

I feel you mate :p

Narland, Rateria, Condealism

So where exactly do I post my answer for citizenship? The chancellor of interior affairs?

Nay Hofn wrote:So guys as i see your debates on Marxism,"Anarchist Catalonia" and "Free Teritory",i would like to know about your political(and economical) views or if you support a particular party in your country.

I usually vote libertarian but I'm registered in the GOP.

Rateria, Nay Hofn

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:So where exactly do I post my answer for citizenship? The chancellor of interior affairs?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_united_states_of_patriots/detail=factbook/id=664588

Here is the application, telegram it to The United States Of Patriots

You'll get almost immediate citizenship as a transfer from the IRU.

Narland, Condealism

Nay Hofn wrote:So guys as i see your debates on Marxism,"Anarchist Catalonia" and "Free Teritory",i would like to know about your political(and economical) views or if you support a particular party in your country.

I'm a registered Republican but I'm far more libertarian than any of the nutjobs associated with any of the actual parties.

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:So where exactly do I post my answer for citizenship? The chancellor of interior affairs?

Telegram the Internal Affairs Chancellor, yes.

Pevvania, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Condealism, Nay Hofn

The only thing I could appreciate about Marx is his theory of history, but he equated the rise of power with the "creation" of property. You can see the fault of this theory when he tried to make a distinction between personal and private property.

The theory would be better suited if it wasn't property owners vs non-property owners, but the State vs its subjects. Rather than the inconsistencies found in the property owners class resulting the next phase of history, it would make more sense to be the controlling State at the times' inconsistencies resulting in the next phase.

In this theory, Communism would not be the final phase, but a Libertarian society with a weak or no state.

To replace the phases:

>Primitive society:

-People are forced to communally share goods in order to survive, people still own their things that don't go shared

-With the agricultural revolution, large-scale property development is created, and thus a state is born to control people

>Slave society

-The slave owners are supported by the State, resulting in the first lobbying of sorts

-As the state expands in land, it becomes unsustainable and can't itself support the slave-owners, a state of slave-owners rise.

>Feudal Society

-The noble class is the state and is aided by it. A those who work the land are essentially slaves, but have some benefits.

-The non-nobles who become rich merchants, realize the state is halting their progress, and support the reform of the state to become elected.

>Bourgeois Society (Capitalism)

-Although an enemy of the state initially, the rich class quickly begins to use the state for their own wants and act as the state's electorate

-The inequality caused by the use of the state by the rich result in the tensions between classes, revolutions against this state begins by the poor

>Worker's Society (Socialism)

-The state is now a benefit to the workers. This itself is economically unsustainable.

-Those who never benefited from the state begin to isolate themselves from society as it collapses from the mal-organization of the state.

>Voluntary society

-Lack of control from state collapse begins and less-centralized societies begin to elect their systems. The people control their way of life voluntarily.

-Likely, history would result in the cycle between Worker's and Voluntary society as different elect different systems.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism

I'm a Gary Johnson type libertarian or a Rand Paul Republican. I'll probably vote for Trump in 2020 seeing how insane the libertarian party is being. Too radical.

Auxorii wrote:Trump isn't a libertarian.

I don't know much about Weld, but I was a huge fan of Johnson.

Here are the only Bill Weld quotes you need to know:

"I'm here to vouch for Hillary Clinton... she's a friend of many years."

“The problem with handguns is probably even worse than the problem of the AR-15.”

"I think government has a major role to play in helping us with the pursuit of happiness."

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Condealism, Fairbankska

Nay Hofn wrote:So guys as i see your debates on Marxism,"Anarchist Catalonia" and "Free Teritory",i would like to know about your political(and economical) views or if you support a particular party in your country.

I'm a registered Conservative in the UK but identify as a libertarian. Somewhere in between Milton Friedman's minarchism and the paleo-libertarianism of Murray Rothbard later in his life. I support President Trump, for the memes, his economic and foreign policy agenda, and for making leftists cry, but mostly for the memes.

Narland, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Nay Hofn

Auxorii wrote:I'm a Gary Johnson type libertarian or a Rand Paul Republican. I'll probably vote for Trump in 2020 seeing how insane the libertarian party is being. Too radical.

It was insane to nominate Gary Johnson. What else are they doing that you consider radical?

Condealism

Ok it wasn't insane to nominate Johnson. I suppose it made sense at the time. He's a former two term governor and was the party's nominee in 2012 so I guess nominating two experienced governors was a good move. But Johnson was an awful public speaker and came across as a goofy, uninformed stoner. Weld has always been a Rockefeller Republican, not a libertarian, and showed as much on the campaign trail. Yes, they got the party to 3.5% of the vote (hooray?) but couldn't even win New Mexico or any other individual state. The campaign was in many ways a disaster. They should have picked John McAfee, at least he had some name recognition, or better yet Ron Paul who could have soaked up the Sanders vote.

Condealism, St Pierre And Miquelon, Jadentopian Order

Nay Hofn wrote:So guys as i see your debates on Marxism,"Anarchist Catalonia" and "Free Teritory",i would like to know about your political(and economical) views or if you support a particular party in your country.

Doctrinaire libertarian.

Nay Hofn

Pevvania wrote:Ok it wasn't insane to nominate Johnson. I suppose it made sense at the time. He's a former two term governor and was the party's nominee in 2012 so I guess nominating two experienced governors was a good move. But Johnson was an awful public speaker and came across as a goofy, uninformed stoner. Weld has always been a Rockefeller Republican, not a libertarian, and showed as much on the campaign trail. Yes, they got the party to 3.5% of the vote (hooray?) but couldn't even win New Mexico or any other individual state. The campaign was in many ways a disaster. They should have picked John McAfee, at least he had some name recognition, or better yet Ron Paul who could have soaked up the Sanders vote.

Ron Paul is retired and McAfee has even less name recognition. The media (Colbert, etc.) was only willing to air Gary. You keep thinking that the US system is similar to the UK or Australia, but it is not. It is deeply entrenched and it doesn't matter if you are the Libertarians, Greens, or Reform, nothing is going to change the two party state.

There is one good result though, Bill Welds idea to sue the Debates for being "bipartisan" instead of "non-partisan" seems to have worked. We will have to see in 2020 if this means the LP will get in. If so, then I would get a better public speaker. Bill Weld maybe.

Auxorii

The Aradites wrote:The only thing I could appreciate about Marx is his theory of history, but he equated the rise of power with the "creation" of property. You can see the fault of this theory when he tried to make a distinction between personal and private property.

The theory would be better suited if it wasn't property owners vs non-property owners, but the State vs its subjects. Rather than the inconsistencies found in the property owners class resulting the next phase of history, it would make more sense to be the controlling State at the times' inconsistencies resulting in the next phase.

In this theory, Communism would not be the final phase, but a Libertarian society with a weak or no state.

To replace the phases:

>Primitive society:

-People are forced to communally share goods in order to survive, people still own their things that don't go shared

-With the agricultural revolution, large-scale property development is created, and thus a state is born to control people

>Slave society

-The slave owners are supported by the State, resulting in the first lobbying of sorts

-As the state expands in land, it becomes unsustainable and can't itself support the slave-owners, a state of slave-owners rise.

>Feudal Society

-The noble class is the state and is aided by it. A those who work the land are essentially slaves, but have some benefits.

-The non-nobles who become rich merchants, realize the state is halting their progress, and support the reform of the state to become elected.

>Bourgeois Society (Capitalism)

-Although an enemy of the state initially, the rich class quickly begins to use the state for their own wants and act as the state's electorate

-The inequality caused by the use of the state by the rich result in the tensions between classes, revolutions against this state begins by the poor

>Worker's Society (Socialism)

-The state is now a benefit to the workers. This itself is economically unsustainable.

-Those who never benefited from the state begin to isolate themselves from society as it collapses from the mal-organization of the state.

>Voluntary society

-Lack of control from state collapse begins and less-centralized societies begin to elect their systems. The people control their way of life voluntarily.

-Likely, history would result in the cycle between Worker's and Voluntary society as different elect different systems.

You should look into Konkin's Agorist Class Theory

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ron Paul is retired and McAfee has even less name recognition. The media (Colbert, etc.) was only willing to air Gary. You keep thinking that the US system is similar to the UK or Australia, but it is not. It is deeply entrenched and it doesn't matter if you are the Libertarians, Greens, or Reform, nothing is going to change the two party state.

Lol no I don't. I know the US system better than my native ones. I'm well familiar with why the US electoral system means that people gravitate to two 'big-tent' major parties. Of course they have an advantage. But to presume that two-party dominance is irreversible is lazy at nest and disingenuous at worst. The fact is that if you want to work in politics, as a consultant, candidate or whatever, the Dems and Reps have much bigger infrastructure and pay well. This is why they recruit the best minds. Nonetheless, third parties in the US have played a role in politics in the past.

Look, I'll put it this way - if Ross Perot can get upwards of 15% of the vote, why can't the Libertarians or Greens? Frankly, it's incompetence.

Condealism, Nay Hofn

Pevvania wrote:I'm a registered Conservative in the UK but identify as a libertarian. Somewhere in between Milton Friedman's minarchism and the paleo-libertarianism of Murray Rothbard later in his life. I support President Trump, for the memes, his economic and foreign policy agenda, and for making leftists cry, but mostly for the memes.

I don't support Trump and i prefer the Libertarian party,but i like the Alt Right memez :3

Auxorii wrote:I'm a Gary Johnson type libertarian or a Rand Paul Republican.

I used to be in the same, awkward "less government sounds nice, but less law sounds scary" boat. Turns out, though, that the free market has alternatives to everything.

Pevvania, Narland, Nay Hofn, Claminka

Pevvania wrote:Ok it wasn't insane to nominate Johnson. I suppose it made sense at the time. He's a former two term governor and was the party's nominee in 2012 so I guess nominating two experienced governors was a good move. But Johnson was an awful public speaker and came across as a goofy, uninformed stoner. Weld has always been a Rockefeller Republican, not a libertarian, and showed as much on the campaign trail. Yes, they got the party to 3.5% of the vote (hooray?) but couldn't even win New Mexico or any other individual state. The campaign was in many ways a disaster. They should have picked John McAfee, at least he had some name recognition, or better yet Ron Paul who could have soaked up the Sanders vote.

Exactly, Johnson is just a joke. No idea how to even talk in public. He was literally the meme vote in an election with both Trump and Clinton.

Pevvania, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Jadentopian Order wrote:Exactly, Johnson is just a joke. No idea how to even talk in public. He was literally the meme vote in an election with both Trump and Clinton.

It's no wonder he only soaked up about 3.5% - most folks already got their meme fix from Trump.

(I voted Johnson because I liked his memes better... and wanted to see the Libertarian Party do better next time. But mostly the meme thing.)

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, The United States Of Patriots

The entire 2016 US election was a meme.

Narland, Condealism, Claminka

Rateria wrote:The entire 2016 US election was a meme.

Maybe next time, more people will Pokemon Go to the polls.

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska, Claminka

Pevvania wrote:It was insane to nominate Gary Johnson. What else are they doing that you consider radical?

He was the only one on that stage who thought licenses were a good idea...

Auxorii wrote:He was the only one on that stage who thought licenses were a good idea...

Licenses in general are basically a person's way of saying "the state said I can have/do this." I wouldn't consider that a good idea.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva

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Nay Hofn wrote:So guys as i see your debates on Marxism,"Anarchist Catalonia" and "Free Teritory",i would like to know about your political(and economical) views or if you support a particular party in your country.

I support the Libertarian Party. Since they're pretty fringe and only recently growing, I'm fine aligning myself with the Barry Goldwater/Rand Paul wing of the Republicans. I'm a pretty conservative, neolibertarian type anyway.

At the state level, I split my support between conservative Republicans and centrist (socially liberal/economically moderate) Democrats. Non-conservative Republicans in my state tend to be either incompetents in the pocket of Big Labor (Palin, Walker, Don Young today) or competent-but-evil Corruptocrats (the Murkowskis) and should be consistently fought against.

Pevvania, Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Condealism, St Pierre And Miquelon, Nay Hofn

Pevvania wrote:Lol no I don't. I know the US system better than my native ones. I'm well familiar with why the US electoral system means that people gravitate to two 'big-tent' major parties. Of course they have an advantage. But to presume that two-party dominance is irreversible is lazy at nest and disingenuous at worst. The fact is that if you want to work in politics, as a consultant, candidate or whatever, the Dems and Reps have much bigger infrastructure and pay well. This is why they recruit the best minds. Nonetheless, third parties in the US have played a role in politics in the past.

Look, I'll put it this way - if Ross Perot can get upwards of 15% of the vote, why can't the Libertarians or Greens? Frankly, it's incompetence.

Ross Perot got into the debates though.

Incompetence isnt why the Libertarian Party is the largest third party (excluding the Independence Party for obvious reasons) and often gains 20-40% in state senates in which it is well established. The system is rigged. Johnson only got a percentage of a percentage of media time that Trump had gotten.

If the United States adopted Ranked Choice, the inability for these third parties to gain traction whatsoever would be eliminated.

Narland, Rateria, St Pierre And Miquelon, Fairbankska

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If the United States adopted Ranked Choice, the inability for these third parties to gain traction whatsoever would be eliminated.

Then at the presidential level though, every President would be decided by Congress. So we'd need to focus first and foremost on building congressional infrastructure.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism

Hey guys, we've reached a population of 100 again - a good 40-ish percent of those nations arrived here within the past week. I like where this is going.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Fairbankska, Nay Hofn, Claminka

Condealism wrote:Licenses in general are basically a person's way of saying "the state said I can have/do this." I wouldn't consider that a good idea.

Uh, no, it's your proof that you have the competency to drive on the road with other people...

St Pierre And Miquelon, Claminka

Auxorii wrote:Uh, no, it's your proof that you have the competency to drive on the road with other people...

Considering the "competency" of many of the drivers who pass through my neighborhood, you could've fooled me.

Republic Of Minerva, St Pierre And Miquelon, Claminka

UNDER THE HYDERBOURG ADMINISTRATION LIBERTATEM HAS FINALLY HIT 100 COUNTRIES

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska, Claminka

Condealism wrote:Considering the "competency" of many of the drivers who pass through my neighborhood, you could've fooled me.

Anecdotal evidence.

Besides, that's why we have police.

Auxorii wrote:Anecdotal evidence.

Besides, that's why we have police.

Being granted a license by the state and only kept in check by the nebulous threat of police action is not enough to make one a careful or considerate driver. If people were made aware of the risks of the roads by having to share them with those not accredited by a government, they'd think about what they're doing.

Hyderbourg wrote:UNDER THE HYDERBOURG ADMINISTRATION LIBERTATEM HAS FINALLY HIT 100 COUNTRIES

Correlation =/= causation

Auxorii, Claminka

The States Of Balloon wrote:Correlation =/= causation

:(

Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:UNDER THE HYDERBOURG ADMINISTRATION LIBERTATEM HAS FINALLY HIT 100 COUNTRIES

Not to crackle your cornflakes, but our all-time high is 259 (in 2015, right guys?) under the Humpheria administration (right?).

Nevertheless, it is indeed a great achievement. President Hyderbourg, under your leadership we have pulled Libertatem out of the darkness of stagnation and inactivity. We emerge our heads once more as key players in the NationStates world. Libertatem is back.

Miencraft, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, St Pierre And Miquelon, Fairbankska, Claminka

Hello I'm new at this. but I like this region and what it stands for.

is their anything I need to do to become an official member?

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:Not to crackle your cornflakes, but our all-time high is 259 (in 2015, right guys?) under the Humpheria administration (right?).

Nevertheless, it is indeed a great achievement. President Hyderbourg, under your leadership we have pulled Libertatem out of the darkness of stagnation and inactivity. We emerge our heads once more as key players in the NationStates world. Libertatem is back.

This calls for an epic montage. Okay, imagine you're watching a movie with a bunch of quick cuts between pictures of our population rising, and the scene's set to this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA

Pevvania, Rateria

Pulceria wrote:Hello I'm new at this. but I like this region and what it stands for.

is their anything I need to do to become an official member?

Welcome aboard.

Rateria, Condealism

Pulceria wrote:Hello I'm new at this. but I like this region and what it stands for.

is their anything I need to do to become an official member?

You can apply for citizenship, but that's about it. There's a link in the WFE.

Speaking of citizens, has anyone been coming in from IRU? We gotta keep track of those people.

Rateria, Condealism

Happy to join and I hope you'll treat us well.

Rateria

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Miencraft wrote:You can apply for citizenship, but that's about it. There's a link in the WFE.

Speaking of citizens, has anyone been coming in from IRU? We gotta keep track of those people.

Puppets from IRU custodians thus far:

[nation=short]Condealism[/nation]

[nation=short]Jadentopian Order[/nation]

Arrivals from the IRU thus far:

[nation=short]The States of Balloon[/nation]

[nation=short]The Completly Oppressive States[/nation]

Arrivals of other IRU puppets thus far: Unknown

Miencraft, Rateria, St Pierre And Miquelon

Condealism wrote:Puppets from IRU custodians thus far:

[nation=short]Condealism[/nation]

[nation=short]Jadentopian Order[/nation]

Arrivals from the IRU thus far:

[nation=short]The States of Balloon[/nation]

[nation=short]The Completly Oppressive States[/nation]

Arrivals of other IRU puppets thus far: Unknown

So far [nation=short]Jadentopian Order[/nation] and [nation=short]The Completly Oppressive States[/nation] are the only to explicitly contact me as IRU Immigrants seeking Citizenship

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The United States Of Patriots wrote:So far [nation=short]Jadentopian Order[/nation] and [nation=short]The Completly Oppressive States[/nation] are the only to explicitly contact me as IRU Immigrants seeking Citizenship

As per the (implied) terms of the merger, former IRU residents need not explicitly contact you to receive their citizenship. I'll keep you posted when I learn of any more arrivals regardless.

Pulceria wrote:P.S. is this where I would post this.

No, send him a telegram.

At this rate, we're going to need to reimplement the welcoming committee.

Condealism wrote:At this rate, we're going to need to reimplement the welcoming committee.

Actually a great idea.

Who wants to volunteer?

Narland, Rateria, Condealism

The deconstruction of all non-essential embassies has begun. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please telegram me and/or the President.

Rateria, Hyderbourg, St Pierre And Miquelon

Condealism wrote:The deconstruction of all non-essential embassies has begun. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please telegram me and/or the President.

Just a message to the citizens of Libertatem,

It may seem to some like our shutting down of these embassies is a sign of weakness, that it simply not the case.

I would like to iterate that there is no need to have an embassy if it does not serve a purpose to the region.

What should be seen in the shutting down of these embassies is a government willing to downsize itself in the name of Libertarian beliefs.

As Libertarians we believe that our contact with the outside world should begin and end with regions that are vital to us.

We do not believe in endlessly expanding government ties with other government bureaucracies, in fact, we believe in reducing government ties and promoting individual freedoms.

I would like to thank our Chancellor of State, [nation=short]Condealism[/nation] for the work he did in truly determining our vital allies and pushing to shut embassies with dormant and unnecessary regions.

Again telegram us with questions.

Hyderbourg

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, Claminka

Bernie Sanders on healthcare reform: "Donald Trump and Republicans just celebrated voting to let thousands of Americans die so billionaires get tax breaks. Think about that."

Can this old coot just die already?

Republic Of Minerva, Claminka

But Bernie, think of the $AVING$

Pevvania, Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:Actually a great idea.

Who wants to volunteer?

Yo

Condealism

The States Of Balloon wrote:Yo

I can see this going either well or horribly. Or both.

Do we have a "Welcome to Libertatem" telegram? I think that helps a lot with understanding how NS works for newcomers and how Libertatem works

Narland, Rateria, Condealism

The Aradites wrote:Do we have a "Welcome to Libertatem" telegram? I think that helps a lot with understanding how NS works for newcomers and how Libertatem works

We do not. Let's come up with one.

Narland, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:But Bernie, think of the $AVING$

The guy has become a complete parody of himself.

"We need to fight for a $30 minimum wage, or else the big banks will give the billionaire class more tax breaks funded on a credit card while more working Americans lose their jobs and die because of the Koch Brothers, which is why we need equal pay for men and women in the Black Lives Matter movement." - totally made up quote that Bernie Sanders would unironically say

Narland, Condealism, Claminka

Hyderbourg wrote:Actually a great idea.

Who wants to volunteer?

You guys have been one of the IRU's longest allies, and you've welcomed us in this merger. I'll help if you want-- It's the least I can do to show my gratitude.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Claminka

Condealism wrote:something about a welcome telegram

Uh, what department would that go to?

Make [nation=short]republic of Minerva[/nation] write it, he wrote the recruitment telegram.

Rateria, Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:Uh, what department would that go to?

Make [nation=short]republic of Minerva[/nation] write it, he wrote the recruitment telegram.

Our War Department probably needs more to do at the moment anyway XD

Oh, and would it be okay if I founded my own party?

Rateria, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:The guy has become a complete parody of himself.

"We need to fight for a $30 minimum wage, or else the big banks will give the billionaire class more tax breaks funded on a credit card while more working Americans lose their jobs and die because of the Koch Brothers, which is why we need equal pay for men and women in the Black Lives Matter movement." - totally made up quote that Bernie Sanders would unironically say

If I had a dollar for every good point he's made, I'd have about 23 cents.

Claminka

Jadentopian Order wrote:Oh, and would it be okay if I founded my own party?

Why do that when you can join the RLP?

#RLPtyranny

(But yes, you can.)

Claminka

Hyderbourg wrote:Uh, what department would that go to?

Make [nation=short]republic of Minerva[/nation] write it, he wrote the recruitment telegram.

I'd say Interior

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:Why do that when you can join the RLP?

#RLPtyranny

(But yes, you can.)

Alright cool, do I just tell you what it is or should I write a factbook or something else?

Rateria, Condealism

Jadentopian Order wrote:Oh, and would it be okay if I founded my own party?

Just telegram me.

Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order

Hyderbourg wrote:Just telegram me.

Will do!

Condealism

Jadentopian Order wrote:Will do!

Name of Party

Description of Party

Leader of Party

I'll add it to the list in no time!

Why do you close embassies with my escape region :)

Condealism, St Pierre And Miquelon

Ayy, Sean's here!

Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo

Hello everyone! I am Sean and I am immigrating here from the International Republican Union...I was once the President of that great region for three terms and have led it to its prosperity numerous times under my ex-nation Poptropia, which was deleted by the mods! I have been a member of this site for around three years now and I am now looking forward to advancing my role in a new region, which I decided would be Libertatem. I chose this place because it shares the same ideals as the IRU and two great friends of me also reside here and they are Jaden and Condealism, so, yes, I look forward to helping this region prosper!

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, St Pierre And Miquelon

Venomringo wrote:Hello everyone! I am Sean and I am immigrating here from the International Republican Union...I was once the President of that great region for three terms and have led it to its prosperity numerous times under my ex-nation Poptropia, which was deleted by the mods! I have been a member of this site for around three years now and I am now looking forward to advancing my role in a new region, which I decided would be Libertatem. I chose this place because it shares the same ideals as the IRU and two great friends of me also reside here and they are Jaden and Condealism, so, yes, I look forward to helping this region prosper!

Welcome!

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo

Venomringo wrote:Hello everyone! I am Sean and I am immigrating here from the International Republican Union...I was once the President of that great region for three terms and have led it to its prosperity numerous times under my ex-nation Poptropia, which was deleted by the mods! I have been a member of this site for around three years now and I am now looking forward to advancing my role in a new region, which I decided would be Libertatem. I chose this place because it shares the same ideals as the IRU and two great friends of me also reside here and they are Jaden and Condealism, so, yes, I look forward to helping this region prosper!

RIP POPTROPIA NEVER FORGET THAT EITHER

Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo

The Alt-Centrist Alliance is now a recognized political party of Libertatem.

Information about the party is available at: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=818735 (This link is also accessible through the WFE and is entitled "Political Parties")

Contact Jadentopia for any questions regarding the party.

If you would like to make your own party, telegram me and it can be arranged.

Rateria, Condealism, St Pierre And Miquelon

Hyderbourg wrote:The Alt-Centrist Alliance is now a recognized political party of Libertatem.

Information about the party is available at: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=818735 (This link is also accessible through the WFE and is entitled "Political Parties")

Contact Jadentopia for any questions regarding the party.

If you would like to make your own party, telegram me and it can be arranged.

Woo!

Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo

Jadentopia wrote:Woo!

Actually, one last question (Last one, I swear!) Would it be alright if you listed VenomRingo as a co-chair. He's my most trusted friend and advisor and I'd like him to be in charge with me.

Rateria, Condealism

alt centrist...?

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