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Region: Libertatem
bruvvvvv
Anywhat, S.A. is right, we've gotta get all this stuff sorted out as soon as possible.
I, amazingly, have no idea who we ought to get in a room together on account of how this has never happened before, so honestly if you have any idea what you're doing, I'll TG you an invite to the Discord room.
Obviously TNUS ought to be there, Roads would be nice, and Humph should probably be there too. I dunno, just tell me you know what's going on and I'll send you a link.
Can I be observer pls I'll be on my best behaviour.
I can be a Justice on the Circuit Court if you need me.
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Right, I'll get that sorted out once we do this thingymajig.
still waiting on this mess of an election
lmao did it already happen?
Regional Community News: Issue #22 Camaraderie and Parody!
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=578372
Archive: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=505134
New colors. Better or worse, 'Tatem?
Needs some blue.
The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
No commies allowed.
Plenty of commies allowed.
Ewww...
The New United States, San Andrias, Rateria
I like it
The New United States
You actually sound like Misley right now.
Plot twist, he is misley
Miencraft, The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria
So the United Nations is trying to recruit me? They so failed in their vetting process...
The United States Of Patriots
Hello!
Your region had expressed interest in joining the Inter Regional Cooperation Treaty, a defensive alliance currently signed by Federation Of Free States and Central Pacific Empire. This would be beneficial to your region's long term security, and you are encouraged to consider joining.
By way of gaining clarity, you are cordially invited to send two representatives from your region to Central Pacific Empire from Wednesday 13th to Friday 15th April 2016, to observe one of the regular meetings of the ICT (Inter Regional Cooperation Treaty).
I look forward to seeing you there, and kindly ask you to confirm your [region's] attendance.
Best wishes,
Conta, Minister for Foreign Affairs, Central Pacific Empire
I dunno what this is or if we'll even have anything figured out in time to send people.
But! If anyone does want to go, fine, whatever, go ahead.
The New United States
Just, y'know, uh, let me know first.
The New United States
You and I?
Eh, yeah, sure.
Miencraft and I will attend.
Well I'm back from California. It rained the entire time I was there. But I like the rain so it all worked out!
Miencraft Congratulations on you win. have you dealt with that no good filthy traitor Miencraft yet? Also what is your cabinet like?
The New United States, Rateria
1) Soon.
2) Soon we shall see.
The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
President: Miencraft
Vice President: Miencraft
Board Chairman: Miencraft
Manager of Internal Affairs: Miencraft
Manager of War: Miencraft
Attorney General: Miencraft
Chief of Staff: Miencraft
Object of Regional Worship: Muh Roads
Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Right-Winged Nation, Muh Roads, Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots
I'll be enforcer of worship.
The New United States, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria
I'll be on discord for a whole if the pertinent parties are available.
*flails limbs*
We need to get a good time down that everyone can actually show up for! The weekend would be nice but that's a bit late.
The New United States
So here I am at the secretary of state.. (DMV for you non michiganders) and a police officer is complaining about the inefficiency of the place.
Oh the irony.
No classes on Wednesday or Thursday (finals preparation days), so I'd be free for nearly any time in the next two days. Oh, except for Thursday evening, maybe 5:00 pm to 7:00 pm MST.
That's would work for me.. (9pm EST)
The New United States
> not even close to finishing Human Action by Mises (near 900 pages), have a long backlog of books to finish afterwards
> today, buys another 500+ page book
I make terrible decisions.
Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots
I could be reading my assigned books.
But then there is Lord of the Rings...
Seriously I'm addicted. Since 5th grade I've read them(hobbit, Lotr, and silmarillion) 17 times...
The New United States, Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia
Hola, you lot. Applied for citizenship in Libertatem, finally, you don't have to call me an illegal anymore. :P
The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria
Beautiful timing, what with not really having much of a functional government.
Actually, those roles ought to be updated...
San Andrias
Welp, there are those roles updated as much as they can be. I've got all the powers noted down so that they can be re-assigned later. Right now we've got to get stuff figured out, though, so I'll just leave it like that since that's really all we've got.
Heh.
I'd reapply, but I don't think I qualify as things are. ;)
I could handle the Department of State if need be.
You're just signing up for everything aren't ya?
Haha, i'm here to help in any way necessary. Back in 2013 I used to be an Ambassador for Libertatem and helped out with our relations with IRU.
Well, we'll see how everything goes.
Related, if you're in the Discord and haven't seen it yet, you guys can throw around ideas as to what to do even if I'm not in there, and generally I won't be because I have a very terrible weekday schedule, so if I'm not there just go on in text chat without me and I'll see what we've got.
Huh. After reading through FRAUD again, I'm not entirely sure I'm ineligible for reapplying for citizenship.
Just so many other laws to swim through to figure out for certain...
Republic Of Minerva
I swear everytime I come back to this game there is more arguments in Libertatem. I miss it and wish i could be more active. unfortunately life has kept me at bay for the time. Get fighting guys we'll figure it out.
WHAT IF I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT. WHAT ABOUT THAT HUH?!
https://49.media.tumblr.com/0f65b12fafb38921937968691e51c46e/tumblr_ml8py3lvH51s917bwo1_400.gif
New Jaslandia
Fighting is for heathens.
So in an attempt to get my civil rights up to 90 after a series of events caused me to accidentally drop them by about 10 points (don't ask, I have no idea), I accidentally got my political freedoms up to 90 for the first time ever.
Yay, I guess.
The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria
Personally i want 100/100/100, but i heard it is impossible
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It's possible, and in fact has a government type dedicated to nations close to those stats: Anarchy.
Someone in the region I was in before this one actually did get all three 100s, but then he also decided that he wanted to get all 3 zeroes.
Apparently they only go down to 1.
Anarchy is really, really vague and honestly is incredibly common among libertarian nations, on account of how it's just having a good economy, civil rights, and political freedoms. They don't even need to be anywhere close to 100, just in the high 70s to mid 80s and you'll trigger Anarchy.
The New United States, Parvimperia
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=374925
Gosh darnit. Answered issue in a way that I could only presume would lower corruption. Instead, corruption increases.
Could y'all let me know when you get the citizenship office back in order? I'd like to figure some things out.
Like that time I picked the option that seemed like it would increase freedom of speech but actually dropped civil rights by four points.
Yeah I banned abortion except in case of rape. Results? civil rights decrees .... (ಠ_ಠ)
I eliminated payroll tax and always give tax breaks everytime it is an option and it turned me into a Corporate Bordello. I don't even try to devolve the National goverment to the constituent Cantons anymore (more local self rule, regional autonomy etc) it just messes up the economy.
The United States Of Patriots
Whoever has access to the Discord, we need to get this stuff sorted...
Today, preferably.
Hello neighbors, I would like more information on the War Council. And how to become Deputy Chief of it.-Sincerest
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What?
Are you looking for a different region? Because I think you're looking for a different region.
San Andrias
No War council.
Regardless of your views on abortion the fact is the freedom to get was is restricted or removed. Taking away any rights results a general reduction in total civil rights.
Like real life, the freedom to own and carry guns, the freedom to run your business without the government telling you what to do, even the freedom to light up a joint in your own home. The number of things restricted or outright banned by law is inversely relational to the amount of civil rights.
Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria
??????????
Unrelated, if we can't get a good time for everyone to be in Discord soon, I'm going to just toss something together by myself.
The Emancipation of Mimi vs Daydream?
Which do y'all like better
EOTM for me
I wouldn't say civil rights maybe civil liberties. In my view I figured the civil rights of the child to live would have led to an increase. But I understand your point :)
Abortion is a form of coercion IMO.
Agreed. That is a more accurate phrase.
Really? Who is forcing the woman to abort?
Hi guys I'm back
The New United States, San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria
We missed you. Welcome back.
The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria
Im generally pro choice, but i think the birth canal is a crappy indicator of human life
The Ambassador To The Clfr
I agree with Roe vs Wade
New Jaslandia
I agree with Gary Johnson that Roe v. Wade ought to be overturned.
Touch My Body vs We Belong Together
Both are awful.
I like Gary Johnson, but his views on businesses not being allowed to deny services to people is a turn off.
The New United States
Not necessarily.
(And yes, I am the ultimate Gary Johnson defender. Please sue me.)
New Jaslandia
The unborn child is not a child and does not get a say in the matter until it can be reasonably expected to survive outside the mother's womb.[1] With today's neo-natal technology that means until the 22nd week, the zygote has no more rights than a tumor or parasite.
I do too, even though it is based in really flawed legal logic.
A Libertarian is against abortion? That's kind of a contradiction of philosophies...
I'm having trouble parsing that out. Is Johnson saying business does or does not have the right to refuse service?
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[1] One of my former jobs will forever taint my view of late term abortions making it impossible for me to have an open mind on that part of the subject.
Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Republic Of Minerva
Gary Johnson is not "against abortion," he just opposes Roe v. Wade for its "flawed legal logic."
Being "against abortion" only contradicts libertarian philosophy if being against murder also contradicts libertarian philosophy.
Miencraft, Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots
Johnson is correct on the legal logic. Roe v. Wade is pure and simple legislation from the bench.
That is flawed logic. Murder and early term abortion are not the same thing. If you look at like that, removing parasites from the intestinal track is also murder. If the zygote cannot survive outside the mother's womb, it is not a separate and viable life.
I understand that many theologians place some mystical value at the moment of conception. I further understand that many people take that teaching to heart.
That's ok. I have no problem with that. I fully endorse and support anyone's right to believe anything they want.
Right up to the point those people attempt to push it off on someone else by force. That is when we all have a problem.
If you feel that life, the soul, pick your belief and insert it here, begins at conception. Great. Don't consider abortion for yourself or your fellow believers. But you cannot make make that choice for others based solely on theological grounds. That is a line we do not want to cross in this nation.
Renegalis, New Jaslandia, Rateria
This is logic logic!
The fetus is still a human. And its really dicey when all of a sudden someone gets to define what a human is based on whether its convenient for them or not. This is the same logic that slave holders used.
Also killing a parasite is not murder. Murder is "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." So it doesn't apply to "parasites" as they are not human. And comparing a human being to one is disgusting.
And from a purely scientific stand point life begins at conception. When two haploid cells merge into a diploid cell with a unique set of DNA that is singular to that embryo.
And if the basis of human life is if it is viable by its self. Than what if you get in a car crash and can only live with an iron lung? Or you have to use a dialysis machine? Are you no longer a human?
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Timidity
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Hello
Biggest Dred
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Ultimately Dred
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dank memes
Ultimately Dred
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Bro
As i am not female i personally believe it is none of my business and on that track not my issue. I am pro-choice overall. Mistakes and unwanted sexual action happen. I think that we need to stop putting our various religious conclusions on our fellow man as well. It seems to happen more and more. There is a difference between not doing something because it is against your religion and telling others they can not because it is against your religion.
Miencraft, San Andrias, New Jaslandia, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria
Defining human life as beginning at conception actually has nothing to do with popular religion. A rigorous definition of life is not in the Bible, Talmud, or Quran. If anything, religious people should be pro-choice because many religious groups believe very young children and the unborn automatically qualify for paradise if they die early since they lack the chance to accept or deny religion. An abortion in their eyes would just be sparing a potential life from the cruelties of this world. Many religious people claim to be pro-life simply because they see other religious people using their religion as some sort of justification for their stance, when religion is not the heart of the issue. Religious association with abortion is just a bandwagon movement.
Rather, this is an ethical standpoint because, as previously mentioned, a human zygote with its own genome is scientifically its own entity, so deliberately killing it is a violation of the right to live. Yes, it may be extremely inconvenient for the person to bear the child, particularly if conceived by accident or in an instance of rape, but that does not entail a right to end the life of another human being. Unless we develop adequate artificial womb technology, that's just an unfortunate reality we must face. A woman's perceived "right" to resuming a normal life without pregnancy does not trump the unborn person's right to life.
So let's ditch the strawman argument that pro-life is a form of using government to enforce religious values. Also, banning abortion is not comparable with banning drugs, as I often see people argue, as drug users are not directly infringing on anyone's rights. A complete ban on abortion will decrease the overall incidence of abortions (human rights violations) and stop people from trying to redefine human life for the sake of convenience, a dangerous act that can be used to strip people of their rights.
Yes, banning it will increase the frequency of illegal, unregulated, and potentially unsafe abortions. Risking their lives is a price women will have to pay for attempting murder.
New Jaslandia, Parvimperia
the dreds are back
everyone run away
The New United States, San Andrias, Biggest Dred
https://morningconsult.com/alert/senate-fails-udall-paul-amendments/
Darn.
Good Girl Gone Bad vs I am... Sasha Fierce
which was more iconic and had more influence?
The zygote is the seed of human life. But it is not yet human. Unless you believe that a seed is really a sunflower.
Many things in biology are disgusting. But it does not make them untrue. A zygote is an organism that lives off a host organism without which it cannot survive. These are called parasites.
It is a sure bet you can find many scientists whose critical thinking is crippled to one extent or another by their inability to check their religious beliefs at the door. There are at least that many that will tell you there is no scientific evidence determining when life begins. You can even find some that will tell you a newborn infant has no cognitive ability for the first few hours of life.
Again, your logic is flawed. If you remove the zygote from the womb too soon, it is no longer viable. A human being is viable outside the womb. Up until that organism can be reasonably expected to survive outside the womb, it has no more rights than a tumor or a parasite.
Clearly you are reaching for straws and ignoring the facts as laid out above. Someone in an iron lung or on dialysis is reasonably expected to survive. Well, ok. At least for a while. Removing a zygote from the womb too soon has no reasonable chance for survival.
As true as that statement may be, it is the religious people trying to persuade us there is a religious basis for that belief.
Blastocystosis, Amoebiasis, Plasmodium (Malaria), Liver Fluke, Tapeworm and even cancer cells all have their very own, unique genome. Are you telling me that deliberately killing them is a violation of their right to live?
That's an interesting viewpoint. However the woman's "right" to make those decisions about her own body are no one's business. Not yours. Not mine. And it is especially not the business of the government. To follow your logic, it is conceivable the government could insert itself into decisions over whether or not to abort to save the mother's life.
Apparently you've missed the debate over the drug cocktail mifepristone and misoprostol (RU486).
That is a well written, passionate argument. I sincerely believe that you believe it. A ban on abortion may cut down on the number performed every year. There will certainly be a rise in the number complications and death from self induced abortion.
But two parts have no basis in reality. Abortion is not murder and that statement about "women will have to pay for attempting murder" places you squarely in the camp of Scott Roeder, Robert Dear and Eric Rudolph. And the only people trying to redefine human life are yourself and those trying to persuade us that a fertilized egg is the same thing as a human being.
New Jaslandia, Rateria
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when is the map coming along
I am a long time dred fan. It's good to see that Dred's will is being done
hail dred
San Andrias, Biggest Dred
Harken brother Minerva! Dred has been reborn like the Phoenix. Today is the day that all nations will bow before my glory and benevolence. All who stand in my way shall burn in a lake of sodium chloride.
Thank you and Hail Dred!
San Andrias, Republic Of Minerva
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