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Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:They signify relations between any two regions. The meaning of these "relations" is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Some see them as fire-forged alliances. Others, as acknowledgements of existence. Most see them somewhere in between.

So basically nothing?

Just a heads up, I'm probably not going to be that active today because I will be away and this website is a pain to use on my phone.

My new pet peeve is intellectual dishonesty. From the Communists who call us 'reactionaries' and 'fascist sympathisers', to the so-called liberals who rally against "falling" wages, it seems like lying to strengthen your own political viewpoints is becoming more and more popular these days.

Take the latter example. As shown below, real compensation (factoring in non-wage earnings, such as workplace pensions, healthcare, etc.) has been increasing for decades. So just looking at wage-rates is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge about economics.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1975007_762401500460941_655979613_n.png

It's also very interesting to observe a few of the trends in the compensation-productivity gap in the last few decades. There was no major change in the gap during the 1980s, during an economic expansion facilitated by huge tax cuts. But around 1993, the year the 'Clinton Tax Increases' passed into law, the gap starts widening significantly... but then begins to close once more during the late-90s, when the GOP secured the passage of several tax cuts. But around 2000-2001, the beginning of Alan Greenspan's huge monetary expansion (when more money was printed than at any other time in American history), the gap begins to increase exponentially.

So what can we tell from these observations? That, perhaps, workers are compensated more when business owners have more money to spend, and are compensated less when they do not. The extraordinary stimulation of asset prices and capital since the Federal Reserve's expansion is also clearly a contributor to the rising pay gap.

Whilst Discussing pet Peeves.... I have a few..

1. I hate when people Generalize a group of People who all have completely Different views. Such examples are. "Libertarians. Reactionaries. Progressives. Communists."

2. I also hate the whole Wasting food "The children in Africa are starving" thing. Here's too things first of all. If I eat it, it won't matter that I ate it. The Kids still won't get the food. And besides the world produces enough food to feed everyone. World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago, despite a 70 percent population increase. This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day according to the most recent estimate that we could find (FAO 2002, p.9). The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase, enough food. If we were thus to distribute food more carefully to each individual then we could feed the world.

Pevvania wrote:My new pet peeve is intellectual dishonesty. From the Communists who call us 'reactionaries' and 'fascist sympathisers', to the so-called liberals who rally against "falling" wages, it seems like lying to strengthen your own political viewpoints is becoming more and more popular these days.

Being a Left Libertarian Leaning centrist I do enjoy being called Fascist and Communist by both Political Sides......

Pevvania wrote:

Take the latter example. As shown below, real compensation (factoring in non-wage earnings, such as workplace pensions, healthcare, etc.) has been increasing for decades. So just looking at wage-rates is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge about economics.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1975007_762401500460941_655979613_n.png

Okay Interesting...

Pevvania wrote:

It's also very interesting to observe a few of the trends in the compensation-productivity gap in the last few decades. There was no major change in the gap during the 1980s, during an economic expansion facilitated by huge tax cuts. But around 1993, the year the 'Clinton Tax Increases' passed into law, the gap starts widening significantly... but then begins to close once more during the late-90s, when the GOP secured the passage of several tax cuts. But around 2000-2001, the beginning of Alan Greenspan's huge monetary expansion (when more money was printed than at any other time in American history), the gap begins to increase exponentially.

I found this story about the GOP a fairly strange read whilst Were on the subject of Tax plans and GOP.

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/timothy-noah/98064/the-gop-crackup

Yeah, I agree with TTA. I'm not a fan of generalizations - after all, we're all different - and I hate hearing "there's kids starving in Africa" when it's darn obvious there's nothing I can do about it.

As Manager of State, I respectfully motion a request to cancel embassies with Zarathustra.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:As Manager of State, I respectfully motion a request to cancel embassies with Zarathustra.

Sure.

[quote=the_time_alliance;5751496]Whilst Discussing pet Peeves.... I have a few..

1. I hate when people Generalize a group of People who all have completely Different views. Such examples are. "Libertarians. Reactionaries. Progressives. Communists."

2. I also hate the whole Wasting food "The children in Africa are starving" thing. Here's too things first of all. If I eat it, it won't matter that I ate it. The Kids still won't get the food. And besides the world produces enough food to feed everyone. World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago, despite a 70 percent population increase. This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day according to the most recent estimate that we could find (FAO 2002, p.9). The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase, enough food. If we were thus to distribute food more carefully to each individual then we could feed the world.[/quote]

I agree.

[quote]I found this story about the GOP a fairly strange read whilst Were on the subject of Tax plans and GOP.

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/timothy-noah/98064/the-gop-crackup[/quote]

The GOP is a joke. I really struggle to understand why they were doing so well in the 90s, but suddenly became completely corrupted as soon as Bush became President.

[quote=pevvania;5752045]I agree.

[quote]I found this story about the GOP a fairly strange read whilst Were on the subject of Tax plans and GOP.

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/timothy-noah/98064/the-gop-crackup[/quote]

The GOP is a joke. I really struggle to understand why they were doing so well in the 90s, but suddenly became completely corrupted as soon as Bush became President.[/quote]

One word: Illuminati

Lol, honestly I think it was just a wave of neo-con populism fueled by 9/11. In addition to not wanting to get all the bad pr like they did under Clinton. The latter lead to a much more centrist approach on spending, esp domestic.

Indeed. Disasters have a tendency of attracting extremists.

I would prefer for us not to cancel embassies with Zarathustra.

They're damaged goods. We need to be repaired.

They were Libertatem's first embassy and a supportive ally way back when. I would strongly prefer we keep relations.

We can keep relations without having an embassy. CI, can you send a puppet on our behalf?

I would more strongly prefer we break embassies with them, unless I can be assured that any embassy will not be a strain on our image.

In order to ascertain that, I shall send a diplomat there.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:This may be [B]a[/B] moment.

44 moments latter...

Lack There Of wrote:44 moments latter...

89 moments later.

Will discuss the Zarathustra situation tomorrow. Sorry for the late response, I'm in bed now and I've been super busy today.

This region has just started feeling increasingly Liberal to me.

Einsiev wrote:This region has just started feeling increasingly Liberal to me.

...... American Liberal or British Liberal.

American Liberal.

Does the British Liberal mean American Conservative? That's what I heard.

Einsiev wrote:American Liberal.

Does the British Liberal mean American Conservative? That's what I heard.

Pretty much.

As for your thing. How does it feel Liberal.

Einsiev wrote:American Liberal.

Does the British Liberal mean American Conservative? That's what I heard.

I thought Tories were conservative?

I don't know. It just does for some reason.

Einsiev wrote:I don't know. It just does for some reason.

.....

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I thought Tories were conservative?

British Conservative.

It feels we have just turned more Liberal all of a sudden.

Einsiev wrote:It feels we have just turned more Liberal all of a sudden.

If we were liberal the DRP would've won an election.

Technically, Libertarianism is a form of radical liberalism.

It's fundamental liberalism.

Einsiev wrote:This region has just started feeling increasingly Liberal to me.

Because we're tolerant?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Technically, Libertarianism is a form of radical liberalism.

It's fundamental liberalism.

Indeed it is......

Liberal is Freedom in most places (America can no into world politics)

Pevvania wrote:Because we're tolerant?

Yep!

I'm not tolerant.

Than you can sit in the corner and be intolerant. Intolerance is what nearly killed the region this week. Are we liberal? No. Are we intelligent and open to reason? Yes. Are you? Apparently not.

Humpheria wrote:Than you can sit in the corner and be intolerant. Intolerance is what nearly killed the region this week. Are we liberal? No. Are we intelligent and open to reason? Yes. Are you? Apparently not.

That was so beautiful.

Einsiev wrote:I'm not tolerant.

My hate for you is intense. I'm not tolerant to intolerance.

Humpheria wrote:Than you can sit in the corner and be intolerant. Intolerance is what nearly killed the region this week. Are we liberal? No. Are we intelligent and open to reason? Yes. Are you? Apparently not.

Beautiful.

Alchandria wrote:That was so beautiful.

My hate for you is intense. I'm not tolerant to intolerance.

That makes you intolerant towards intolerance making you intolerant to yourself.

Paradox.

Humpheria wrote:Than you can sit in the corner and be intolerant. Intolerance is what nearly killed the region this week. Are we liberal? No. Are we intelligent and open to reason? Yes. Are you? Apparently not.

We are liberal.

https://mises.org/daily/4596

Speak for yourself. I'm a Progressive Social Democrat.

We are a libertarian region. Neither liberal nor conservative. We have conservative citizens (such as myself) and liberal citizens (TTA) but we are not either as a region. As a region we are dedicated to freedom and liberty. So while the liberals have the freedom to be liberals, you have the freedom to be ignorant, Einsiev. Minerva, I don't see how that article related to the region.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:We are liberal.

https://mises.org/daily/4596

Oh gosh......I can't stand Classical Liberalism.

Humpheria wrote:We are a libertarian region. Neither liberal nor conservative. We have conservative citizens (such as myself) and liberal citizens (TTA) but we are not either as a region. As a region we are dedicated to freedom and liberty. So while the liberals have the freedom to be liberals, you have the freedom to be ignorant, Einsiev. Minerva, I don't see how that article related to the region.

Nods.

Most Libertarians here are Classical Liberals I do believe.

:palm:

Libertarianism is liberalism.

And not that faux "social" liberalism that is the norm.

I understand that. Doesn't mean we're liberal.

Republic Of Minerva wrote::palm:

Libertarianism is liberalism.

And not that faux "social" liberalism that is the norm.

Humpheria wrote:I understand that. Doesn't mean we're liberal.

Libertarianism is a form of Liberalism......

Once you get into labeling the dirt on the ground, the dirt is divided. There are seemingly billions of political labels, but us the sun goes down, we are all of he same heart and skin. so, why does is it matter what we use to divide each other?

Humpheria wrote:Once you get into labeling the dirt on the ground, the dirt is divided. There are seemingly billions of political labels, but us the sun goes down, we are all of he same heart and skin. so, why does is it matter what we use to divide each other?

commie

Note: Another label

HOW DARE YOU! I'm not sure if you're joking or you actually think that I am a communist, either way, I'm offended.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:commie

Humpheria wrote:Note: Another label

HOW DARE YOU! I'm not sure if you're joking or you actually think that I am a communist, either way, I'm offended.

......Being Communist isn't offensive! It means you support an Impossible Unachievable Utopia!!!!!!

I... am... offended.

Humpheria wrote:Than you can sit in the corner and be intolerant. Intolerance is what nearly killed the region this week. Are we liberal? No. Are we intelligent and open to reason? Yes. Are you? Apparently not.

Just not to homosexuals. And don't offend me like that. I never offended you.

You have my apologies, sir. I just don't understand intolerance. Especially not in these times.

Thank you. Christianity and Judaism both condemn gay marriage. Therefore it's just something I don't agree with.

I can respect that. If it's your religion, then it is not my place to judge.

Einsiev wrote:Thank you. Christianity and Judaism both condemn gay marriage. Therefore it's just something I don't agree with.

Or maybe you could form your opinions based on your personal experience instead of what someone else tells you to believe.

Einsiev wrote:Thank you. Christianity and Judaism both condemn gay marriage. Therefore it's just something I don't agree with.

Why do other Christians dislike Gay Marriage. I mean I'm Christian (Mormon-LDS denomination) and I'm not taught anywhere that Gay Marriage is evil.....Morally wrong. Yes, but evil? No.

Alchandria wrote:Or maybe you could form your opinions based on your personal experience instead of what someone else tells you to believe.

Maybe you should be quiet. It's his dang religion.

If it is his opinion, then that is for him to have. You don't have to agree. I don't, but that is my own opinion.

The Time Alliance wrote:Maybe you should be quiet. It's his dang religion.

Thank you Lord Jesus! Somebody with common sense!

Humpheria wrote:If it is his opinion, then that is for him to have. You don't have to agree. I don't, but that is my own opinion.

Exactly. We are entitled to our opinions whether they are Religious, Personally or Experimental.

Gay marriage isn't evil, it's just morally wrong, like TA said.

I've just switched religions to Judaism from Christianity and it isn't much different.

Einsiev wrote:I've just switched religions to Judaism from Christianity and it isn't much different.

There we go. I know have the ability to contact someone to answer questions about Judaism should I find one. Now I just need a Hindu and I'll have the five major religions covered.

Interesting, isn't it?

Einsiev wrote:Interesting, isn't it?

What?

The Time Alliance wrote:Maybe you should be quiet. It's his dang religion.

If he can voice his outdated prejudice on the RMB, then I can speak out against.

Einsiev wrote:Thank you Lord Jesus! Somebody with common sense!

Also, I thought you converted to judaism.

Alchandria wrote:If he can voice his outdated prejudice on the RMB, then I can speak out against.Also, I thought you converted to judaism.

Jews believe in Jesus.....I think...I'm not sure....

Alchandria wrote:If he can voice his outdated prejudice on the RMB, then I can speak out against.Also, I thought you converted to judaism.

Offend me once more and see what happens. Also, what the hell are you prejudice?

Einsiev wrote:Offend me once more and see what happens. Also, what the hell are you prejudice?

Dang.....

The Time Alliance wrote:Jews believe in Jesus.....I think...I'm not sure....

Yes Jews believe in Jesus.

Einsiev wrote:Yes Jews believe in Jesus.

Thought so.

Can we not have a civilized debate on here anymore!? My goodness.

Einsiev wrote:Can we not have a civilized debate on here anymore!? My goodness.

I thought we were?

Are you ready? Are you ready? Let's get it on! *ding*

But, no, srsly guys, let's not.

Oh, Humpheria, you're crazy.

Well, anyone want to purchase an oil line to my nation? Maybe a few?

Einsiev wrote:Offend me once more and see what happens. Also, what the hell are you prejudice?

I am curious to hear what you would actually do.

Also, Anti-gay is a prejudice

Alchandria wrote:I am curious to hear what you would actually do.

Haha, your one smart ass aren't you? I was trying to have a civilized debate, and here you come offending me and my religion. I simply won't have it.

Alchandria. You're about to cross a line that ought not be crossed. Whether there is stock in his tore and just dusty shelves, you need to remember your position and how one in said position should act.

Einsiev wrote:Haha, your one smart ass aren't you? I was trying to have a civilized debate, and here you come offending me and my religion. I simply won't have it.

So don't.

Both of you stop. Alchandria, you're a Board member, act like it. Einsiev, you claim to want civility, prove it. And both of you can STOP TALKING. A closed mouth catches no foot.

You are about to cross the line. Do you enjoy offending people who don't express the same views as you? Or are you just another atheist looking for someone to beat on?

Humpheria wrote:Alchandria. You're about to cross a line that ought not be crossed. Whether there is stock in his tore and just dusty shelves, you need to remember your position and how one in said position should act.

F*ck my position. If you believe that all humans aren't equal, you are most definitely an arsehole and deserve to be treated as such.

Mmmkay, we're done. Everybody got o your separate corners and think about your life. We can all go home now.

Alchandria wrote:Also, Anti-gay is a prejudice

Anti- Religion is as well.

Now...

EVERYBODY SHUT UP!

Alchandria wrote:F*ck my position. If you believe that all humans aren't equal, you are most definitely an arsehole and deserve to be treated as such.

Oh really? REALLY? You need to watch it.

I treat everyone the same. I just don't want them pushing their views on me or society. Other than that, I don't have a problem with them.

Humpheria wrote:Both of you stop. Alchandria, you're a Board member, act like it. Einsiev, you claim to want civility, prove it. And both of you can STOP TALKING. A closed mouth catches no foot.

.....do mouths catch feet regularly in your town?

The Time Alliance wrote:Anti- Religion is as well.

Now...

EVERYBODY SHUT UP!

I am not anti-religion. you can be religious as you want. The only problem is when your religion causes you to treat others as inferior.

I don't view homos or anyone else as inferior. I just don't want them pushing their views on me. I'm done debating with you. Have a good rest of the night.

Einsiev wrote:I treat everyone the same. I just don't want them pushing their views on me or society. Other than that, I don't have a problem with them.

Homosexuals wanting rights doesn't mean they are pushing anything on you. Denying people rights isn't quite synonymous with treating everyone the same.

That's not what I was talking about. I'm DONE debating. Good night.

Alchandria wrote:F*ck my position. If you believe that all humans aren't equal, you are most definitely an arsehole and deserve to be treated as such.

That is his belief to have. Who are you to say what is right or wrong? Who are you to go flapping you diseased jibs to anyone that doesn't look on you with a clearly defined agreeable disposition? Who are you to call this man those names. He has his opinion, and you have yours. It is both of your rights' to have those opinions, but what is not your right, is to go off like that. You claim to be against any religion that treats others as inferior. Well, your actions have to proved to everyone that apparently, some men are... inferior.

Alchandria wrote:Homosexuals wanting rights doesn't mean they are pushing anything on you. Denying people rights isn't quite synonymous with treating everyone the same.

Wrong. The problem here is while law makers want to make it legal they want to FORCE churches to marry gays. Thus infringing on our Religious Rights.

The Time Alliance wrote:Wrong. The problem here is while law makers want to make it legal they want to FORCE churches to marry gays. Thus infringing on our Religious Rights.

I agree that is wrong, all I want is complete equal rights, and I do not understand why that could be a problem for people.

Alchandria wrote:I agree that is wrong, all I want is complete equal rights, and I do not understand why that could be a problem for people.

Because equal rights is impossible in a Capitalistic, Religious, Non-Anarchist, Populated country.

Alchandria wrote:I agree that is wrong, all I want is complete equal rights, and I do not understand why that could be a problem for people.

It's not a problem for people. The problem is when you become the evil you are trying to destroy.

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