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Pevvania

Alright, gonna piss everybody off here real quick. Anarcho-Capitalism is NOT Anarchism, here's why: To be An-Archist means to be Anti-Hier-ARCHY. That's the classical and technical definition of Anarchism. It's only in modern times that it's become a synonym for anti-state.

So to be an Anarchist, one must be against the state, private property, and Capitalism, as they all are or create hierarchy. Even Murry Rothbard is quoted as saying "We are not Anarchists, nor are we Archists, rather we are Non-Archists." Libertarianism is against arbitrary, artificial hierarchies, like the state, but we make exception for natural hierarchies generated though voluntary exchange.

The problem comes when it comes time to enforce the Anarchism. Seeing as though they make no distinction between artificial and natural hierarchies, they must somehow forcibly eradicate things which weren't created by force. If their revolutionaries have a monopoly on force in such a way as to do that, they de facto have created a state.

Anarcho-Capitalism, while not technically Anarchism, would resemble much more closely what people associate with the term "Anarchism." Which has just come to mean "absence of a state."

The reason I myself am not an Anarcho-Capitalist, is that the NAP would inevitably break down with different, competing, private court systems interpreting it differently. If laws can be interpreted differently to an extent that they no longer apply, then those laws don't really exist, they become mere suggestions at that point, and we'd return to a state of barbarism.

Also, the state is an inevitable phenomenon, it's pointless to advocate against it, it's like advocating against breathing. Any group of people, with a decision making mechanism and a monopoly on power within that group is in it's nature a state.

Hell, Rick's group on The Walking Dead was a state. Rick was the benevolent king with his group of trusted advisors. They had dedicated warriors and dedicated farmers. All the classic markers of a state.

Pevvania, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:But a state isn't unnatural, as you yourself later state in this post.

True, I'd ammend the word natural for the word forced.

Skaveria wrote:Alright, gonna piss everybody off here real quick. Anarcho-Capitalism is NOT Anarchism, here's why: To be An-Archist means to be Anti-Hier-ARCHY. That's the classical and technical definition of Anarchism. It's only in modern times that it's become a synonym for anti-state.

Finally someone gets it

Narland

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Pevvania wrote:wait a sec... was Hitler... a Zionist?! it all makes sense, he wanted the Jews to acquire new world dominance by establishing Israel and moving to the US en mass. that's some real 6 millionD chess!

>be jewish deepstate leader

>leave clues of my coming conquests in literally everything i touch

Some people really think that the Jewish deepstate is run by a Batman villian

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Proudhon had it 50% right. The 50% that was wrong was his socialism, racism, and his sexism.

I guess Pierre-Joseph Proudhon was a gamer then.

Pevvania, Jadentopian Order

Rateria wrote:I guess Pierre-Joseph Proudhon was a gamer then.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5daf4d07616a4500070450e1/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:

With modern technology it's easier than ever to have a unified currency without a state. If local areas all had their own currency exchange rates would be determined in a moment's notice and besides isn't the point of anarchy to be free of defined territory and involentary association? If it's economically beneficial areas would come together with a unified currency in the same way the European Union did except in this case it would be volentary.

it's another pickle for anarchism that would be even worse for ancom rather than ancap. A way to solve this would of course be more guns but then we start running into the warlord problem again.

it's the definition you're using and he has a terrible definition for anarchism. You ARE using a bad definition of anarchism.and I am not an anarchist either I'm simply responding to the claim that ancom is the most likely form of anarchism when it is clearly ancap. I am a minarchist

I mean, ultimately I don’t think there’s any way to know how successful it would be- however I do not think a nation, especially one with the history and systems the United States has would be capable of transitioning to anarchocapitalism.

I don’t understand how “more guns” is the answer. So to enforce decisions the best way is to use violence or the threat of violence, as a government would. You didn’t like the definition I used for anarchism, but if we used yours of “ being free of defined territory and involentary association” we can see how your depiction of anarchocapitalism just fails to meet reality’s standards. I understand you’re not an anarchist and I never actually claimed that anarcho-communism would work better than anarcho-capitalism. I think anarchism is best used how Bakunin utilized it, as a strategy of revolution through syndicated unions. Even this would only be possible on a small scale however.

Anarcho-communism would however work better than anarcho-capitalism, as everything we diagnosed as the ills of anarchism (the possibility and inevitably the rise of war lords, lack of community and decision enforcement) is almost exclusive to a ‘capitalist’ anarchism. Anarcho-capitalism stresses individualism, materialism and would have to have a sort of vigilante style system of justice, things where our ills would be far more likely to come about. Anarcho-communism however stresses the opposite: it stresses unity and values the collective, it values working and unionization and everything but materialism.

Also, there have actually been anarcho-communist societies; there haven’t been anarcho-capitalist (as it’s stupid and impossible). Revolutionary Catalonia, Anarchist Ukraine and the Paris Communes are all examples of anarcho-communism. Successful examples at that.

Jadentopian Order

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Auxorii wrote:I mean, ultimately I don’t think there’s any way to know how successful it would be- however I do not think a nation, especially one with the history and systems the United States has would be capable of transitioning to anarchocapitalism.

I don’t understand how “more guns” is the answer. So to enforce decisions the best way is to use violence or the threat of violence, as a government would. You didn’t like the definition I used for anarchism, but if we used yours of “ being free of defined territory and involentary association” we can see how your depiction of anarchocapitalism just fails to meet reality’s standards. I understand you’re not an anarchist and I never actually claimed that anarcho-communism would work better than anarcho-capitalism. I think anarchism is best used how Bakunin utilized it, as a strategy of revolution through syndicated unions. Even this would only be possible on a small scale however.

Anarcho-communism would however work better than anarcho-capitalism, as everything we diagnosed as the ills of anarchism (the possibility and inevitably the rise of war lords, lack of community and decision enforcement) is almost exclusive to a ‘capitalist’ anarchism. Anarcho-capitalism stresses individualism, materialism and would have to have a sort of vigilante style system of justice, things where our ills would be far more likely to come about. Anarcho-communism however stresses the opposite: it stresses unity and values the collective, it values working and unionization and everything but materialism.

Also, there have actually been anarcho-communist societies; there haven’t been anarcho-capitalist (as it’s stupid and impossible). Revolutionary Catalonia, Anarchist Ukraine and the Paris Communes are all examples of anarcho-communism. Successful examples at that.

Vigilante justice is preferable to Communism.

Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Tupolite, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:Vigilante justice is preferable to Communism.

Vigilante justice just means whoever has the bigger army wins.

Auxorii wrote:Vigilante justice just means whoever has the bigger army wins.

This is why anarchism of any stripe is retarded

Skaveria wrote:Vigilante justice is preferable to Communism.

I do not think those to are mutually exclusive

Jadentopian Order wrote:I do not think those to are mutually exclusive

Vigilante justice cannot but be exclusive to Communism. Communism has one goal -- establish the Socialist processes (via swift and violent revolution) so that bourgeoisie society (e.g., the American Middle Class) is destroyed and the new man can rise out of the ashes. All semblance of moral order (the God ordained inherent right of the people as individuals of the right to life, liberty, and property) not being conducive to the transformation (by all "rational" means necessary including to lie, cheat, steal, murder and terrorize as long as the end (Utopian Society) is realized) becomes justice in name only.

Vigilante justice steps (strongly) in when disorder (especially planned chaos conducive to the Revolution) and perpetual disorder (that Communists need to cause to rationalize their Revolution) from the Bourgeoisie Middle Class moral sensibilities of objective Truth, Justice, and Peace to stop the perpetual and cumulative disarray caused by the Communists themselves). When the purported purveyor of order impeach themselves of their moral thus lawful authority by their lawlessness (denial and/or deprivation of the rights of others), any attempts at justice will be by default vigilante justice; and by default from those (not-proletariat) others.

It is an inherent right of a free people to reserve appropriate police action to the discretion of the individual. It is my privilege as an American Citizen to arrest criminal activity conducive to keeping the peace. I have only had to make 5 or 6 citizens arrests in my life (including an on duty constable). I am not above handing out traffic citations for reckless driving by police on the roadway, but that has not been necessary (and I hope it never is). Socialism (and any police state) assumes that is the prerogative of the state only. Statists hate our heritage and try to call it Vigilante Justice as if that were supposed to be an epitaph, but it is a badge of honor.

Rateria wrote:I guess Pierre-Joseph Proudhon was a gamer then.

Gamerism is the superior political philosophy, and ethnic group.

Rateria

Auxorii wrote: also, there have actually been anarcho-communist societies; there haven’t been anarcho-capitalist (as it’s stupid and impossible). Revolutionary Catalonia, Anarchist Ukraine and the Paris Communes are all examples of anarcho-communism. Successful examples at that.

Ah yes the times it's been tried. You must have a pitifully low bar of success if 3 years of existence is success. It's not sustainable. Under the best circumstances with groups of only highly idealistic members and bountiful land the society falls apart as the next generation comes of age. What then, kill the non believers to preserve the collective? Who makes the decision to kill the undesirables in this case? If it's the collective or the community, they have become the state. The Soviet Union with arsenals to wipe out entire nations couldn't hold together a communist state (even if in name only). The closest example of ancap in action was the first settlements of America. Initially they were communist in nature as the harvests were collective and shared evenly however with a failed harvest they reassessed their situation and divided the land into parcels and families were able to keep what they grew. As a result the harvest had a much higher yeild and there was abundance. These weren't revolutionaries, idealists, or thinkers these were regular people who didn't care either way and capitalism worked the best for them

Miencraft, Pevvania, Tupolite

Miri Islands wrote:Ah yes the times it's been tried. You must have a pitifully low bar of success if 3 years of existence is success. It's not sustainable. Under the best circumstances with groups of only highly idealistic members and bountiful land the society falls apart as the next generation comes of age. What then, kill the non believers to preserve the collective? Who makes the decision to kill the undesirables in this case? If it's the collective or the community, they have become the state. The Soviet Union with arsenals to wipe out entire nations couldn't hold together a communist state (even if in name only). The closest example of ancap in action was the first settlements of America. Initially they were communist in nature as the harvests were collective and shared evenly however with a failed harvest they reassessed their situation and divided the land into parcels and families were able to keep what they grew. As a result the harvest had a much higher yeild and there was abundance. These weren't revolutionaries, idealists, or thinkers these were regular people who didn't care either way and capitalism worked the best for them

The Soviet Union survived for a remarkable time considering the amount of interference it faced from the West.

Revolutionary Catalonia, for what it was, was still successful, and was a victim of fascism during the Spanish Civil war, hardly pitiful considering the situation.

Auxorii

Miri Islands wrote:Ah yes the times it's been tried. You must have a pitifully low bar of success if 3 years of existence is success. It's not sustainable. Under the best circumstances with groups of only highly idealistic members and bountiful land the society falls apart as the next generation comes of age. What then, kill the non believers to preserve the collective? Who makes the decision to kill the undesirables in this case? If it's the collective or the community, they have become the state. The Soviet Union with arsenals to wipe out entire nations couldn't hold together a communist state (even if in name only). The closest example of ancap in action was the first settlements of America. Initially they were communist in nature as the harvests were collective and shared evenly however with a failed harvest they reassessed their situation and divided the land into parcels and families were able to keep what they grew. As a result the harvest had a much higher yeild and there was abundance. These weren't revolutionaries, idealists, or thinkers these were regular people who didn't care either way and capitalism worked the best for them

I never said they were sustainable; again, I am not an anarchist. However, they successfully achieved what they wanted and were economically successful in the time they weren’t crushed out by outside forces. I’d suggest you’d actually look into these histories.

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:The Soviet Union survived for a remarkable time considering the amount of interference it faced from the West.

Revolutionary Catalonia, for what it was, was still successful, and was a victim of fascism during the Spanish Civil war, hardly pitiful considering the situation.

The Soviet Union benefited from the vast amounts of territory and resources it controlled. Any bad economic system can last as long as the profitability of its natural resources. Look at Chavez Era Venezuela.

Auxorii wrote:I never said they were sustainable; again, I am not an anarchist. However, they successfully achieved what they wanted and were economically successful in the time they weren’t crushed out by outside forces. I’d suggest you’d actually look into these histories.

What was successful about these societies? Genuine question.

Rateria

Here's the latest golden quote from Beta O'Rourke: "Outside of the Third Reich, give me another example of a Western leader who has called people of one faith inherently defective or dangerous or disqualified from being successful in that country. How did a modern country, well-educated, a source of innovation and ingenuity, and a source of moral leadership in the world, descend into that level of barbarity, producing a shame that lives with every single German to this day?"

Lol, pre-Nazi Germany was not a source of moral leadership for anyone. Obviously the Nazis made it much, much worse, but I'd hardly call the German Empire inspiring for anyone other than the Germans.

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:

What was so successful about these societies? Genuine question here

Well, in the case of Catalonia: worker productivity went up, wages went up and the standard of living all went up. Not to mention, people living there had no suppression of their civil rights as they would under Franco’s Spain.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Pre-war Germany (the Imperial Germany established after the Franco-Prussian war at Versailles over the corpse of Bonapartist France) was a world leader, morally, politically, and technologically, and militarily.

I think Beto was referring to the Weimar republic

Libertatem is all “anarchism, vigilantes, communism, World War II”

I just wanna live alone in the woods only appearing every few years to scare local residents for God’s sake

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Pevvania wrote:Here's the latest golden quote from Beta O'Rourke: "Outside of the Third Reich, give me another example of a Western leader who has called people of one faith inherently defective or dangerous or disqualified from being successful in that country. How did a modern country, well-educated, a source of innovation and ingenuity, and a source of moral leadership in the world, descend into that level of barbarity, producing a shame that lives with every single German to this day?"

Lol, pre-Nazi Germany was not a source of moral leadership for anyone. Obviously the Nazis made it much, much worse, but I'd hardly call the German Empire inspiring for anyone other than the Germans.

Well they inspired the British to build more ships

The New United States wrote:Whenever I'm on Facebook, I oddly always get ads for BBC "Comedy." The weird part about the BBC "Comedy" videos is how uniformally unfunny and blatantly partisan they are, despite being a public broadcaster.

Seems like every video is a lecture about white privilege, how terrible Boris Johnson is, how terrible Brexit is, how to be more sensitive to Pakistanis, vegans, etc, or all of the above.

You'd think the UK state broadcaster would be a little less on-the-nose about how far-left they are and how much they hate the current UK government.

You expected subtlety?! From the left-wing?! They know nothing but how to be smug and condescending

Pevvania, The New United States

Miri Islands wrote:I think Beto was referring to the Weimar republic

The Weimar Republic was a pseudo-democratic parliamentary mobocracy ridden with insuperable and factionalizing political divides and a culture of total demoralization reflected through the negativistic and pornographic smut that was allowed to flood the cinemas.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States

Miri Islands wrote:This is why anarchism of any stripe is retarded

Left-wing anarchism in practice is rule by a bunch of rapist thugs who only know how to destroy but not how to create from destruction, and who will bring ruin to everyone through their preoccupation with dismantling or making to work inefficiently the technical standards of a modernized economy. Capitalist anarchism, if ever practiced, would be rule by a bunch of rentiers and landlords who will hold basic provision of food and shelter to the tenant class ransom to squeeze maximum economic output out of them.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands

Jadentopian Order wrote:The Soviet Union survived for a remarkable time considering the amount of interference it faced from the West.

Revolutionary Catalonia, for what it was, was still successful, and was a victim of fascism during the Spanish Civil war, hardly pitiful considering the situation.

The Soviet Union was also given enormous technical and material assistance during and shortly after WWII by the imbeciles and traitors of the FDR and Truman administrations in America and the post-war Labour government in Britain.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands

Pevvania wrote:The Soviet Union benefited from the vast amounts of territory and resources it controlled. Any bad economic system can last as long as the profitability of its natural resources. Look at Chavez Era Venezuela.

What was successful about these societies? Genuine question.

Chavist Venezuela is now a wreck, with its people devouring rodents and lagomorphs because everything has become impossible to afford. All while Maduro holds succulent feasts for his chosen elite. In general, however, any rent-seeking oil economy is doomed to disaster sooner or later. The state should systematically intervene to diversify the economy and promote self-sufficiency.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands

Auxorii wrote:No, I’m defining anarchy as it was originally defined by Proudhon: the stateless and classless society (i.e, the same end goal of communism)

The reason why Proudhon developed modern anarchism was because Marxism-Leninism was more authoritarian, and he believed that communism would be better achieved through the abolishment of the state (as it upholds property) rather than a totalitarian regime based in a vanguard party.

When you understand this basic concept of anarchism, that the state upholds property, you realize why capitalism and anarchism are incompatible. Property and it’s value are determined by statism. You need a court system to decide when people argue over property, if you want a currency system you need a government to print it (hopefully) or at least to validate it, and ultimately you need a police force/military to enforce decisions concerning property. Property is upheld by the state, and therefore capitalism and anarchism are incompatible.

You ignore that Proudhon was Marx's contemporary and rival, that "Marxism-Leninism" was not codified as such until Stalin, that Lenin introduced the idea of the vanguard party, not Marx, and that Marx didn't differentiate between socialism and communism, the differentiation of which into separate stages of dialectical materialism was also Lenin's revision of Marx.

Anarchy is not feasible except among primitive savages for whom state political organization is too advanced to coalesce into a stable reality. The state is an eternal reality of all peoples fit to be called as sovereign nations. More than that, the state is an ethical reality acknowledged by the whole people through their commonality of cultural experience, begat through generations of cohabitation as part of the same civil society

Miri Islands

Rateria wrote:Personally, I try to make a distinction between “Left” in the traditional American sense and “Left” in the more sophisticated sense.

I'm more irritated when people misconstrue my usage of the word "liberal" to be specific to the American mutation of it when what I refer to is all permutations of thought in the vein of classical liberalism, taken collectively. (I understand that many here would not appreciate my conflation of classical and modern American liberalism, but that's their problem.)

Left and right are interesting concepts, because they are held variously to stand for many different policies, many of which have no logical relationship. My conclusion is that the dichotomy is most useful in defining the lines of political partisanship of liberal democracies, with certain types of people gravitating towards one wing or the other because of an interplay between politicians' rhetoric and voters' psychology and temperament. Of course, questions of demographics also play a large role.

Skaveria wrote:Torries only suck in comparison to American politics. They're basically what the Democrats were five years ago before they fully revealed themselves as insane cultural marxists.

I think you give the Dems way too much credit

Skaveria, I know I missed your poll, but looking at it, I think your 5 choices could have been condensed into 3, minus an option that you excluded of hating all the other choices in the same measure

Tupolite wrote:You ignore that Proudhon was Marx's contemporary and rival, that "Marxism-Leninism" was not codified as such until Stalin, that Lenin introduced the idea of the vanguard party, not Marx, and that Marx didn't differentiate between socialism and communism, the differentiation of which into separate stages of dialectical materialism was also Lenin's revision of Marx.

I ignored it because it didn’t need to be addressed. I understand the history behind Marxism-Leninism and I used the terms correctly. I never said Marx introduced the idea of a vanguard party either- I said that Marxism-Leninism states that a vanguard party is the best vehicle to communism, while Proudhon disagrees. I was simply talking about the Marxism that Lenin expanded upon; but I’m sure you already know all about that.

Jadentopian Order

Auxorii wrote:I ignored it because it didn’t need to be addressed. I understand the history behind Marxism-Leninism and I used the terms correctly. I never said Marx introduced the idea of a vanguard party either- I said that Marxism-Leninism states that a vanguard party is the best vehicle to communism, while Proudhon disagrees. I was simply talking about the Marxism that Lenin expanded upon; but I’m sure you already know all about that.

"The reason why Proudhon developed modern anarchism was because Marxism-Leninism was more authoritarian, and he believed that communism would be better achieved through the abolishment of the state (as it upholds property) rather than a totalitarian regime based in a vanguard party."

The way you worded it here made it read like you thought Proudhon's ideas were a reaction to Lenin, which he could not have anticipated since they were not contemporaries

The New United States

Tupolite wrote:The Weimar Republic was a pseudo-democratic parliamentary mobocracy ridden with insuperable and factionalizing political divides and a culture of total demoralization reflected through the negativistic and pornographic smut that was allowed to flood the cinemas.

Yes, but they were Progressive! :) Just read their writings, they will tell you. That and everything was everyone else's fault but theirs (domestic and foreign).

The New United States

Tupolite wrote:The Soviet Union was also given enormous technical and material assistance during and shortly after WWII by the imbeciles and traitors of the FDR and Truman administrations in America and the post-war Labour government in Britain.

And thanks to Communist Front Organizations turned "respectable" institutions like the Brookings Institute (and their insistence) and through permissive Western Powers (utilizing the likes of Chase-Manhattan and later IMF tomfoolery) bankrolled the perennial USSR crop failures routinely with gold shipments to compensate all the way up to 1987. It would probably still be going on (that and the USSR) if Reagan had not put a stop to it.

The New United States, Tupolite

Tupolite wrote:You expected subtlety?! From the left-wing?! They know nothing but how to be smug and condescending

shut up before i come over there and kiss you on the lips and make you shut up

Tupolite wrote:Chavist Venezuela is now a wreck, with its people devouring rodents and lagomorphs because everything has become impossible to afford. All while Maduro holds succulent feasts for his chosen elite. In general, however, any rent-seeking oil economy is doomed to disaster sooner or later. The state should systematically intervene to diversify the economy and promote self-sufficiency.

Sounds like American capitalist propaganda to me.

Miencraft, The New United States, Miri Islands

The New United States wrote:Whenever I'm on Facebook, I oddly always get ads for BBC "Comedy." The weird part about the BBC "Comedy" videos is how uniformally unfunny and blatantly partisan they are, despite being a public broadcaster.

Seems like every video is a lecture about white privilege, how terrible Boris Johnson is, how terrible Brexit is, how to be more sensitive to Pakistanis, vegans, etc, or all of the above.

You'd think the UK state broadcaster would be a little less on-the-nose about how far-left they are and how much they hate the current UK government.

The BBC is terrible. Imagine that, a state-funded broadcaster supporting the ideology that would give it more funding. Imagine my shock.

Miencraft, The New United States, Skaveria, Miri Islands

JESUS IS KING

The New United States, Jadentopian Order

Auxorii wrote:JESUS IS KING

Already got >80 streams on the album

The New United States, Auxorii

Kanye is a freethinker that's why we love him

The New United States

Suzi Island wrote:Kanye is a freethinker that's why we love him

I’m a huge fan.

I think Kanye, for better or for worse, is surrounded with a bunch of yesmen. If you watch his most recent two interviews, he’s really not holding back. He doesn’t have anyone telling him he shouldn’t say something it seems like.

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Any way to fix obesity? I know the simple solution in this game is Communism

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:Any way to fix obesity? I know the simple solution in this game is Communism

I've got the lowest obesity in the region. Unfortunately, like you said, the only solution is intervention.

Be picky about which issues you choose to answer. If you choose to prohibit soda, for instance, try to simultaneously privatize something else - beaches, for example. That'll help you to improve a lot of stats without sacrificing too much of your economic freedom.

Rateria

The New United States wrote:I've got the lowest obesity in the region. Unfortunately, like you said, the only solution is intervention.

Be picky about which issues you choose to answer. If you choose to prohibit soda, for instance, try to simultaneously privatize something else - beaches, for example. That'll help you to improve a lot of stats without sacrificing too much of your economic freedom.

I'll just accept having fat slobs for citizens. They're less likely to rebel against the glorious dictatorship in mobility scooters

Narland, The New United States, Rateria

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Jadentopian Order wrote:I’m a huge fan.

I think Kanye, for better or for worse, is surrounded with a bunch of yesmen. If you watch his most recent two interviews, he’s really not holding back. He doesn’t have anyone telling him he shouldn’t say something it seems like.

True but honestly, I saw him on Kimmel and was absolutely astounded at the amount of words Kanye could say without saying really anything; and I’m a huge Kanye fan. Nobody should be surrounded by a bunch of yesmen.

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Miri Islands wrote:Any way to fix obesity? I know the simple solution in this game is Communism

Slavery and Conscription might do it

Jadentopian Order wrote:shut up before i come over there and kiss you on the lips and make you shut up

Something is very, very wrong with you.

Suzi Island wrote:Kanye is a freethinker that's why we love him

...Is this a joke?

Narland wrote:Yes, but they were Progressive! :) Just read their writings, they will tell you. That and everything was everyone else's fault but theirs (domestic and foreign).

Ugh, social-democratic slime ruin everything. The German model of fascism should probably have followed a model closer to the Austrian one, but anyone who says that National Socialism wasn't the most viable option for Germany at the time must be daft.

Narland

Pevvania wrote:Sounds like American capitalist propaganda to me.

Boo! Hiss!

Plutocracy and Bolshevism are two sides of the same coin

Latin America needs another Getulio Vargas or Hernandez Martinez. A leader combining Pinochet's style of rule with Juan Peron's economic policies.

We're all political/philosophy nerds here. Let's see who has the most idiosyncratic, wacky, or otherwise incredibly unlikely to ever be implemented in our neo-liberal hellscape, worldview. (This is gonna be a little self-deprecating)

I'll go first: Decentralized Minarcho-National Capitalism, but there's also democracy somehow.

Auxorii, Rateria

Auxorii wrote:True but honestly, I saw him on Kimmel and was absolutely astounded at the amount of words Kanye could say without saying really anything; and I’m a huge Kanye fan. Nobody should be surrounded by a bunch of yesmen.

He has such a habit of doing that thing where he has a point and he just dresses it up in all this weird language to make it sound all futuristic. It just sorta makes him hard to understand and even when he has something interesting to say it’s so dressed up it sounds like nonsense. In his Beats 1 interview he was talking about his Yeezy domes in CA and he was like “They said my domes were 10 feet too high...” and he just said that a few times like it was supposed to give us some philosophical realization. Still, I love the album and looking forward to whatever comes next

Auxorii

Tupolite wrote:Something is very, very wrong with you.

Less talk more smooching

Auxorii

Skaveria wrote:We're all political/philosophy nerds here. Let's see who has the most idiosyncratic, wacky, or otherwise incredibly unlikely to ever be implemented in our neo-liberal hellscape, worldview. (This is gonna be a little self-deprecating)

I'll go first: Decentralized Minarcho-National Capitalism, but there's also democracy somehow.

You just smashed some words together is all I see. There is no such thing as "National" Capitalism.

I guess I would go with anarcho-primitivism.

Jadentopian Order wrote:Less talk more smooching

You belong in the GP dungeon with Sweeze and Cormac.

Needless to say, I think we finally have a winner for "most annoying type of libertarian."

Narland

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Tupolite wrote:You belong in the GP dungeon with Sweeze and Cormac.

Needless to say, I think we finally have a winner for "most annoying type of libertarian."

https://i.imgur.com/YLWQ9lk.jpg

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:AIDs

But we already said Communism.

Miri Islands

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Skaveria wrote:We're all political/philosophy nerds here. Let's see who has the most idiosyncratic, wacky, or otherwise incredibly unlikely to ever be implemented in our neo-liberal hellscape, worldview. (This is gonna be a little self-deprecating)

I'll go first: Decentralized Minarcho-National Capitalism, but there's also democracy somehow.

Everyone is armed to the teeth when in public. After some public unrest, Society will become very polite very quickly. A Polite Society is a Happy Society.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:We're all political/philosophy nerds here. Let's see who has the most idiosyncratic, wacky, or otherwise incredibly unlikely to ever be implemented in our neo-liberal hellscape, worldview. (This is gonna be a little self-deprecating)

I'll go first: Decentralized Minarcho-National Capitalism, but there's also democracy somehow.

Infants build the roads

Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:I'll just accept having fat slobs for citizens. They're less likely to rebel against the glorious dictatorship in mobility scooters

Fat, sassy, overfed, and overcaffeinated underclasses with smartphones and internets who just watched some "Reality" TV are the best ones to overlord.

Cold, tired, hungry, and angry peasants with lighted torches and sharpened pitchforks who just read Common Sense are the worst.

Rateria, Skaveria, Miri Islands

Muh Roads wrote:Infants build the roads

Miencraft will build your damn roads.

Tupolite wrote:Miencraft will build your damn roads.

But I wanted to. (And then subcontract it out to the former Morrison–Knudsen engineers who are now living under the bridges they helped to create). An engineer who won't live under their own bridge when homeless is like a cook who won't eat his own cooking when hungry.

Rateria

Narland wrote:But I wanted to. (And then subcontract it out to the former Morrison–Knudsen engineers who are now living under the bridges they helped to create). An engineer who won't live under their own bridge when homeless is like a cook who won't eat his own cooking when hungry.

The joke in my previous comment was Bulgaria.

Tupolite wrote:The joke in my previous comment was Bulgaria.

Sigh, my attempt at humor has failed yet again. I shall watch more "Homeboys From Outerspace" and "Mama's Family" to hone my skills. Nevertheless, I am sure Bulgaria has homeless engineers as well.

Narland wrote:Sigh, my attempt at humor has failed yet again. I shall watch more Homeboys From Outerspace and Mama's Family to hone my skills. Nevertheless, I am sure Bulgaria has homeless engineers as well.

You don't get it, which is disappointing

Tupolite wrote:Slavery and Conscription might do it

Already have conscription maybe installing ice cream machines in the barracks was a bad idea

Miri Islands wrote:Already have conscription maybe installing ice cream machines in the barracks was a bad idea

No, you've got to legalize slavery. I haven't gotten around to it yet (or accidentally uninstalled it if I had it in the past).

In other news, I supposedly have some of the most ignorant citizens in Libertatem, but the guy immediately worse than me in that respect appears to have an Italian Fascist flag recolored to look anarcho-capitalist. I sometimes wonder who would waste time on making these puppets.

Narland

Skaveria wrote:We're all political/philosophy nerds here. Let's see who has the most idiosyncratic, wacky, or otherwise incredibly unlikely to ever be implemented in our neo-liberal hellscape, worldview. (This is gonna be a little self-deprecating)

I'll go first: Decentralized Minarcho-National Capitalism, but there's also democracy somehow.

Oh this is gonna be good: enlightened constitutional minarchist dictatorship with Austrian school economic policies and a bill of rights with gun rights enshrined (except for communists)

Narland, Rateria, Skaveria

Tupolite wrote:You don't get it, which is disappointing

It is most likely.

I do tend to miss a lot. I have a very wonked sense of humor (or lack of one as my friends repeated say) that vacillates from dry to pretendedly obtuse. My comments were meant to be humorously obtuse.

Narland wrote:It is most likely.

I do tend to miss a lot. I have a very wonked sense of humor (or lack of one as my friends repeated say) that vacillates from dry to pretendedly obtuse. My comments were meant to be humorously obtuse.

Tsar Boris III of Bulgaria committed the Jews of his country to public works projects such as renovating the public infrastructure (i.e. roads) during WWII to give himself an excuse not to deport them to the camps. Miencraft is Jewish. That's the joke.

IC, i was relating the comment with Meincraft (as a nation on NS) apart from RL.

Yo. You guys can't get more memey than this. This is what happens when you crossbreed a T-34 tank and an Apache helicopter for purging the worst of NAP violators.

What's up based freedom bois? Want some recreational Czar Bombas? huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

New poll in Zentari. Come and vote!

What's your favorite color?

Rateria

Voluntary Stalinist Authority wrote:Yo. You guys can't get more memey than this. This is what happens when you crossbreed a T-34 tank and an Apache helicopter for purging the worst of NAP violators.

What's up based freedom bois? Want some recreational Czar Bombas? huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

Welcome meme ideology nation. You put me 3rd for lowest political freedom.

Voluntary Stalinist Authority

I'd like to announce the formation of the National Liberty Party, the largest and fastest growing political organization in the region! Check out my dispatch for details on what we're all about!

The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:I'd like to announce the formation of the National Liberty Party, the largest and fastest growing political organization in the region! Check out my dispatch for details on what we're all about!

I would like to go on record saying that I only joined this party because I like Wilhelm's even less.

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Everyone please take a look at the Promethean Club as well! The NLP is only presented as an alternative for those wishing a party affiliation of whom don't fit neatly into the ideologies presented by the PC.

That being said, we're all (mostly all) libertarians. We agree on most things. These parties, while certainly they have this potential to, are not intended to cause division amongst Libertatemites.

These parties are just meant to promote comradery amongst those of whom have similar ideologies, when done right, political parties enrich political dialogue by allowing ease of identification and communication of ideas.

The New United States, Rateria

I'm interested in setting up a regional RP. We can make a map and people can claim their borders

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:I'm interested in setting up a regional RP. We can make a map and people can claim their borders

There WAS a map once upon a time

Narland

Voluntary Stalinist Authority wrote:Yo. You guys can't get more memey than this. This is what happens when you crossbreed a T-34 tank and an Apache helicopter for purging the worst of NAP violators.

What's up based freedom bois? Want some recreational Czar Bombas? huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

I assume that you're the owner of Libritalia

Skaveria wrote:There WAS a map once upon a time

It's not too difficult. I did RP maps for Pacifica quite some time back. I just forgot what site I used to make the maps

Miri Islands wrote:It's not too difficult. I did RP maps for Pacifica quite some time back. I just forgot what site I used to make the maps

I believe Miencraft was responsible for it before we got rib of it, if I'm not mistaken.

Skaveria wrote:I believe Miencraft was responsible for it before we got rib of it, if I'm not mistaken.

Any particular reason for getting rid of it

Miri Islands wrote:Any particular reason for getting rid of it

Idk, it happened either when we dissolved the second republic or when we formed The Consulate.

Oh are we starting political parties again?

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Yeah. Mine's coolest.

Seems more like a loose social group rather than a political party.

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