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Region: Libertatem
Quotes:
Oh, I did that because it said "seconds ago", I screenshotted immediately so I'd have it, and I covered it so people wouldn't say "you just made that up".
I'll release the time now.
Quotes:
Miencraft, Rateria
Pev and Humph are both very trustworthy. I don't see why either of them would lie.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred
I have said all that I must on the subject. Thrice have I asked the people to respond to your claims and thrice have they been silent.
If all that your campaign consists of is that your opponent's party is somehow oppressive (despite telling its members to vote as they wish) than I have to question what you can offer the region as a Senator.
I have made every effort to respect the sanctity of our electoral process by denouncing the actions of my opponent. All that I can do is humbly ask for the support of the citizens of Libertatem, which I have so dutifully served for 4 years. Thank you all, including my detractors, for your participation in the process!
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
Those quotes are of me campaigning saying there should be change, mainly the military interventionist plans, I never accused anybody of corruption.
Then I recieved telegrams from RLP members saying they were being pressed to vote RLP, so I said this and released the telegrams. No accusations. Just transparency.
With current time:
http://imgur.com/a/zaV5o
Look mate, I'm not calling you a liar, but this is only hurting your image.
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred
Again, never said the RLP was oppressive and didn't support a democratic election. I said that some RLP members feel pressure. Which is fact.
"The RLP is pressuring members to vote a certain way" says the guy who has been TGing people and spamming the RMB for votes
I don't care about "my image", I'm doing what I think is right and I'm going to keep doing that. I turned down an offer from the President to be an appointed member because of my beliefs that I want to represent the people. I'm not doing this for political gain, I'm doing this because I feel it's right. In numerous telegrams I've said I don't care as much about winning as I do bringing a new conversation on democracy.
Rateria, Condealism
I've never pressured..I campaigned, I asked people if they'd wanna talk about issues so I could maybe get their vote. I never did anything close to having people fear getting their career ruined over their vote
Rateria, Condealism
You should care about your image if you want to hold office around here.
Nah, I'm giving this point to Eire. My image is fickle and erratic, but I've done alright for myself.
Rateria, Fascist Dred
Are you then to defend telegramming everyone that voted for me while in the same breath accusing my party, which has supported its members and given them explicit free exercise of their vote, of pressuring members into voting against you?
I do not fault for campaigning, I admire it. But if you think that that kind of campaigning is acceptable to our community than you don't know Libertatem. Talk about ideals, not opponents. Talk about policy, not party. Talk about Libertatem. I'm truly sorry that you feel that you must make such claims and attempt to manipulate my public image to get ahead. That's not how this is supposed to work.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred
Your still my role model.
Rateria
Embrace the memes and maybe we'll talk
Rateria
The point is simple:
This race has been a textbook example of what we should avoid. Campaigning is good and healthy. Exchanging ideals and debating is how to create a strong republic. Making accusations and sparring on the RMB only serve to hurt each other, the voters, and the Republic.
I pray that this does not become the standard.
Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred
I'll do what I think is right. If I can't win office by being transparent and being doing what I think is right, then what's the point of holding office?
You're putting words in my mouth. I have done nothing more than to say that RLP members feel pressured. It seems odd you're attacking me for being transparent about this, rather than finding out why RLP members feel this way...
I talk about policy. I didn't start the attacks. You did. I was being transparent. You twisted it into what this is.
Condealism
I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a wooden spoon.
It's not so bad. Based on my assessment of the situation, it looks like we've had a sustained misunderstanding that could easily have been avoided with a little more communication, but nonetheless hasn't done any lasting damage.
This has been an interesting race, and I hope that we've all taken something away from this. (Something that doesn't involve pointing fingers, at least.)
Rateria
All that must be said has. I can only reference my numerous previous responses.
Condealism
See this folks, this is attacks. Belittling me and forcing me into the corner to where I have to defend myself. And for what? For releasing telegrams where RLP members feel pressured to vote a certain way. I don't need to defend what I did, you need to figure out why your party members feel pressured to vote for you.
What did everyone do for Mother's Day? I grilled steak and oh my god did it bless my soul.
Narland, Rateria
I am sorry to intrude here and those in charge can remove this post if they deem it unfit but, I heard that there were some here that were interested in forming an "organization" that respects Liberty and Prosperity. This is what I posted on my region's RMB a few days ago:
"I have to agree though, perhaps we can further our alliance with you along with other Libertarian like regions and form an organization defending liberty and prosperity?"
Rateria
Just spent some time with my mom. It was pretty nice.
Narland, Humpheria, Rateria
Nibba fix the WFE
I think I see what happened now.
Regardless of whether the RLP establishment intends to pressure its members - and, as far as I can tell, it doesn't - I can confirm that it has members who nonetheless feel pressured on account of extenuating circumstances, one of whom is me. For that reason, despite my strong support of the vast majority of the RLP's policies and candidates thus far (which shall remain unwavering, even now), I would prefer instead to take my leave and join the Alt-Centrist Party.
Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
When out on our traditional shopping trip to a garden shop. Then planted what we bought.
Humpheria, Rateria
It's all his fault. Points at Condy
Rateria
Had an outdoor picnic in the park with the family. Hate the outdoors, don't care for picnics, not a fan of parks, and my family makes me uncomfortable, but somehow I had a good time.
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria
I'm honestly a terrible gardener. I tried planting a rose bush last month and I no longer have a rose bush
Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred
It is as it is intended to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD94dVu8lqQ
Well your in good company then.
Rateria
That is what I'm saying. RLP members FEEL pressured, regardless of what they intend. My issue is this. I never said they did it on purpose. I never said they were oppressive. Yet I was mocked and insulted for bringing attention to this after a VERY high ranking member told me this.
The Alt-Centrist Alliance was created by the former citizens of the International Republican Union, and I feel it reflects the diplomatic side of Libertatem's time-honored policies - just as the RLP represents the internal and military aspects. It would be a fitting party for this Chancellor of State.
Humpheria, Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
Thanks for your continued support and best of luck in this like-minded organization! You'll always be an RLP Tyrant in my heart Con <3<3<3
Rateria, Condealism
The two usually go hand in hand
Miencraft, Rateria, The States Of Balloon
Tradition has it that I rejoin and leave every once in a blue moon anyway, so...
Yeah, Libertatem history is weird. Weird but good :P
Miencraft, Humpheria, Rateria
This is like the 5th time tbh
Rateria, Condealism
The administration of the RLP does not pressure its members in any way, I would like to clarify this.
As stated by my Vice-President, there is an implicit pressure.
In this region, it is starting to feel like you cannot win an election without being a member of the RLP.
When I ran for president, almost every nameable RLP member voted against me, including the Chair and Founder of the party.
After I marginally won, I felt the RLP was the only way to maintain power as they were the only sustainable party that could conjure up massive support; they were established, organized, and powerful.
I no longer care.
I am leaving the RLP and will remain independent.
Under my administration the population of this region has more than doubled, we engineered mergers, revitalized the military, and cut excess diplomacy; I am proud of the work I have done regardless of the party it is tied to.
Aside from that, [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] deserves to win this election.
He has held my position, he has been justice, and he sure as hell can be a senator.
Humpheria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu
Glad to have ya! Hail-er- I mean hiya!
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order
Is this counting the time that Pev and I merged our parties to form the RLP, whereupon I immediately left for a different one?
Miencraft, Humpheria, Rateria
Here's what I did for Mother's Day on Sunday:
Nothing because British mother's day was two months ago. In fact on this Sunday just gone my mum bought me a Subway, lol.
Rateria
Absolutely
Rateria, Condealism
Thank you... I think?
The United States Of Patriots
The Alliance welcomes you, and anyone else who wishes to join.
Condealism
Odd since you were the one who telegrammed me that.
Actually the first income tax was established during the civil war, although it was repealed in 1871
Hey dudes, I love the debate but let's tone it down a bit. I think there's been some miscommunication that's got the mood a bit tense. Let's all sip some green tea and get back to campaigning on the issues and having a great election.
Rateria, Condealism
And, technically, a federal-level income tax was unconstitutional until 1913.
Condealism
WOW! Your mom bought a subway route just for you! Sweet!
Pevvania, Rateria
Does anyone think that the telegram I sent out in regard to seat five was helpful in the way you will vote?
Just wondering to see if I should do it again in the future!
Condealism, Venomringo, Uadilifu
Wow, way to throw your anonymous telegrammer under the bus :P
(I'm just yanking your chain, btw - you're fine. I figured out he was the one who sent you those telegrams, and then it dawned on me why that would be the case.)
It was extremely helpful! I learned a lot more about VenomRingo!
Narland, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred
Yeah, that was pretty nifty :)
Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots
I did because now I'm being accused of things. I'm the bad guy. For trying to bring something to light. Even you admitted pressure. I just wanted to bring this to light because I didn't think it was fair.
I found it helpful to have a clear communication of candidates and such because tbh I had trouble keeping track of all of the candidates. Great choice!
It's called the Tube here, sweetie
Rateria
It's all good my guy, don't stress it.
You're a nice fellow and I'm sure you'll find your place around here.
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
Four more minutes...
Maybe I was too nice.
Makes sense since there tube like in shape.
Rateria
Don't beat yourself up. You just nearly beat Humph. That's pretty impressive. You will hold an office sometime soon.
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
And God Emperor Grover Cleveland signed one into law in order to reduce tariffs, although the courts struck it down some time later.
Therein lies the danger of being a whistleblower - that could have gone a lot worse.
Luckily, this really was all just a misunderstanding; the RLP party leaders are nice guys, and the President and I neglected to explain to you that the pressure we felt had more to do with personal concerns for our public appearances than it did anything to do with the party's platforms or members. If it's anyone's fault, it's mine for not catching on sooner.
Narland, Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots
Seat 4 results:
Humpheria - 14 citizens
Yakian - 1 citizen
Gaelic - 6 citizens
Humpheria wins seat 4.
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu
The best part about being in the Alt-Centrist party is that we have no public image yet.
Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu
I'm referring to the practice of whistleblowing in general, by the way. As far as I can see, the only corruption going on here in Libertatem is whatever shenanigans-of-the-week I'm up to :P
Rateria
There are two RLP nations up for seat 5, and as the RLP does not allow several members to run against each other, I need to know the primary results.
Rateria, Condealism
I'm really excited for this next seat, there are so many qualified candidates.
Rateria, Venomringo
For the final time- I don't care about holding a position. I don't care about winning. I declined an appointment for this reason. I'm just frustrated that I basically was stabbed in the back it feels like. The President said to release them, just to keep his identity private. And when I did. He acted like there was no pressure and made me look like a fool. And I had accusations thrown at me for trying to bring it to light because I thought (I still do) it was the right thing to do.
No. It wasn't a misunderstanding. It was putting words in my mouth and accusing me of something while the people who "supported" me turned their backs on me when they originally wanted to help. That's what happened.
Congratulations Humpheria! May Dred be with you.
Rateria
Btw- you didn't need to "catch on". I said originally that I didn't think it was intentional, alls I said was that there was a problem if people feel pressure in their way of voting. I said that.
The Alt-Centrist Alliance seeks your vote tonight in the Seat 5 senate elections! Help us make history by placing me in the confines of the Senate chambers!
Condealism, Jadentopian Order
Seat 5 is going to be a good election.
Rateria, Condealism, The States Of Balloon, Uadilifu
That's not it.
Might I just say, holy sh*t, you campaigned like a native Libertatemite (at least up until the whole telegram thing, which, to be fair, you handled semi-decently). The next office you run for may very well be the one you win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67h8GyNgEmA
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo
Condealism was the HOLIDAY Act passed?
I know Supting supported it and I was pretty sure another senator did too, not sure which one.
[nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] Pinging you because I need primary results.
Condealism
Y'know, I'm not sure if you can tell, but I am absolutely loving all of the references lately!
Condealism
I just telegrammed asking if there was any way I could win votes. How else was I supposed to get votes without personally making sure everyone feels like their vote is going towards what they believe in. The reason it was semi-decent was because I was backed into a corner with accusations.
The United States Of Patriots
*patiently waits for elections to start so I can post a meme*
Rateria, Condealism
You'll have plenty to enjoy in the future. This is Libertatem.
Condealism, Venomringo
I think I did need to catch on; if I'd figured out what was going on sooner, this fiasco wouldn't have happened and you wouldn't feel this way. I'm sorry for making you feel as though you were stabbed in the back, for being party to making you look foolish, and for insinuating that you were dishonest. I should not have been so ignorant.
Rateria
I would like to thank the citizens of Libertatem for their support and I owe a deep debt of gratitude to Gaelic for his rigorous campaign that has energized and shifted the paradigm of Libertatem's political reality.
I would be remiss if I did not address the elephant in the region:
There has been a great deal said today and I know that I am repsonsible for the harsh reality that this campaign sucked. I have always steadfastly served this region and I believe in the RLP but I cannot ignore the events of today.
I am hurt and shocked at the assumption that I would participate in voter suppression or manipulation. I can say without utmost confidence that that is not what the RLP does. However, there is a clear indication that some former members of the RLP feel that this is the case. To these members I say only this: I am so sorry. That has never been what we do and that will never be what we do. We are an organization of liberty-loving engaged citizens that want what is best for our region. I'm sorry that you felt that you had to leave the party and I wish you the sincerest best wishes.
To Gaelic, I admire you greatly for your continued dedication for the region and although I am incredibly hurt by your words know that I acknowledge that you said them with the best intention. No one here is a monster. We are all friends. You are a great patriot and I know that you will serve the region well.
I cannot help but feel responsible for the raw emotions aired today. I am more than content to be an active citizen and I value above all else new citizens getting involved. To ease my own conscience and to give Libertatem another potential great statesman a chance that I one day hope to call a friend and colleague I withdraw my name from contention for the 4th seat and concede the election to our newest Senator-elect, Gaelic. We are behind you, sir.
Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu
Anyways, I will be introducing a new bill to the Senate which will revolutionize the way we vote. It will make it more fair, it will make it more democratic, and most of all it will start a good debate.
It will not have to do with party pressure, and it will not have to do with partisan politics. Just to make that clear.
It is a reformation of the system of voting itself.
Thanks to all those who supported me, I will still fight for what I believe in, and I encourage all to do the same. This election was a victory because it made me popular and my ideas known, hopefully I earned respect. I hope that nobody will resort to ad hominem again in the future.
Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu
Post self-deleted by Hyderbourg.
It was not officially passed, no, but two different Senators tried to sponsor it.
Gave me a heart attack.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred
No, I refuse to take the seat. I am not a man of my word if I do not win the election democratically. It's yours. If I win a position it will be because people want me to.
Sushi State won the RLP Primary
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAHLwAxS7FI
Rateria, Condealism
If I one microscopic speck that vaguely looks like a meme...so help me Dred I'll kick your across the sidewalk and back. Well figuratively speaking.
Rateria, Uadilifu
Uhh I'm not really sure how to respond to that
The United States Of Patriots
We should create an Epic Department - HOLY MOLY I KNOW WHAT THE FIRST BILL WILL BE!
Citizens, in an effort to further boost the activity in Libertatem, I have come up with a bill to help do just that! We create a volunteer-based Epic Department to post memes daily and spark daily conversation by coming up with interesting topics to either debate about or just have a friendly discussion...If elected, I will push this bill to passing and, honestly, I cannot see how this bill would adversely affect the region, so you if you are pro-activity then I am the candidate for you!
Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred, Uadilifu
Woo, go Sean!
Rateria, Venomringo
By becoming senator.
A formal plea to the senate to pass the PROTECT Act.
[nation=short]humpheria[/nation]
[nation=short]supting[/nation]
[nation=short]the aradites[/nation]
[nation=short]pevvania[/nation]
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=hyderbourg/detail=factbook/id=823921
Condealism
Uhhhh how about we fill the senate first dude.
Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
I, ah, don't believe anyone offered, but suit yourself.
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