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Rateria wrote:The last time I checked, bribery is a federal offense.

yeah but what if we just call it a conditional gift...

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Not enough interest from other regions in constructing a treaty. We should hammer something solid out and negotiate from there.

The FMT continues to be a high priority for the State Department. I would be interested to see what had been done on this in the past and from that will be working toward a suitable draft to present to the President or Board for approval and seeking out suitable FMT partner regions in the coming weeks.

Getting this off the ground may be the priority for me as Manager of State. Unless our President has other ideas that take precedence, obviously.

*takes of Manager of State hat, puts on Ambassador from Conservative League hat*

By a vote of the people of [region=Conservative League], Conservative League is now in the process of withdrawing from [region=REATO] in light of Red Fleet attacks and the recent infiltration of our government by one of their members. We are working on screening citizens to root out further Red Fleet spies—as a screener myself, I would appreciate any insight that may be afforded by those of you who have had more experience in sniffing out commie infiltrators.

Following the vote to withdraw from REATO, our President, Patvarus, unveiled the [region=George Washington Treaty Organization], a defensive pact. A vote is ongoing on whether or not to join, but is passing by a wide margin. As a defensive alliance, this organization will not retaliate against Red Fleet attacks in an official capacity.

Well now Libertatem is going to be the only member of REATO.

inb4 commie comes in and reminds us about it

The Aradites wrote:Well now Libertatem is going to be the only member of REATO.

inb4 commie comes in and reminds us about it

What about the International Republican Union, Hyatt Islands, and Hayek Islands?

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Blaine-Paleto County wrote:What about the International Republican Union, Hyatt Islands, and Hayek Islands?

IRU should've been taken off the list as they withdrew some time ago and the Hyatt Islands community was evacuated to the Hayek Islands but the project seems to have failed with there being little to no activity there.

The Aradites wrote:IRU should've been taken off the list as they withdrew some time ago and the Hyatt Islands community was evacuated to the Hayek Islands but the project seems to have failed with there being little to no activity there.

So we've been the only region that really has done anything with REATO for a while, then? Conservative League was mainly interested in the defensive aspect, from the conversations I've had. If IRU and Hayek have been out for a while, then why do we keep it going? Why don't we just do military operations as Libertatem instead of as an alliance that we're the meat and potatoes of anyway?

Blaine-Paleto County wrote:So we've been the only region that really has done anything with REATO for a while, then? Conservative League was mainly interested in the defensive aspect, from the conversations I've had. If IRU and Hayek have been out for a while, then why do we keep it going? Why don't we just do military operations as Libertatem instead of as an alliance that we're the meat and potatoes of anyway?

I'm not really sure why, I'm pretty sure we already allow foreigners in the Libertatem army and many nations from regions not part of REATO participate in operations. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Libertatem take the defense/retaliation role, but I think the military needs to create a better communication line if that were to happen.

The Aradites wrote:I'm not really sure why, I'm pretty sure we already allow foreigners in the Libertatem army and many nations from regions not part of REATO participate in operations. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Libertatem take the defense/retaliation role, but I think the military needs to create a better communication line if that were to happen.

Where is all of that information? You're right that there needs to be better communication. I'd be interested in joining the military, but there's nothing written about how to enlist anywhere.

Blaine-Paleto County wrote:Where is all of that information? You're right that there needs to be better communication. I'd be interested in joining the military, but there's nothing written about how to enlist anywhere.

To enlist, I suggest contacting Pevvania, as he would have all the necessary information. I also don't know how updated the laws are so I'm not 100% if the foreign members thing was ever passed.

It is unfortunate that we seem to have lost Conservative League as a member of Reato, but I think we have cause to be optimistic. This is a chance for us to rebuild the organisation from the ground up, bring in some fresh perspectives and new regions, and refocus our activities on front line combat. The destruction of Juche Union is bigger than most communist victories combined, and I'm looking forward to beginning the new year with new strategies and outlooks.

The RF guys in the CL are hilarious. They think they know where we live or something.

I don't run the REATO region anymore.

Hell I am the only nation in the region right now, and if it weren't for me, REATO would have a RF flag on it now. I could easily pull out any time I want to, and destroy the region. But nah.

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Hallo Island

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I don't run the REATO region anymore.

Hell I am the only nation in the region right now, and if it weren't for me, REATO would have a RF flag on it now. I could easily pull out any time I want to, and destroy the region. But nah.

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I mean... I can send a nation over there if you'd like...

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I don't run the REATO region anymore.

Hell I am the only nation in the region right now, and if it weren't for me, REATO would have a RF flag on it now. I could easily pull out any time I want to, and destroy the region. But nah.

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All good now.

I'm busy with trying to get an easter egg from the game. Don't mind me.

Teuberland

If it's any consolation, the Fleet didn't kill REATO.

It died of natural causes. Let it go.

Conservative Idealism wrote:If it's any consolation, the Fleet didn't kill REATO.

It died of natural causes. Let it go.

IT'S HAPPENING

Conservative Idealism wrote:If it's any consolation, the Fleet didn't kill REATO.

It died of natural causes. Let it go.

Yeah, the fleet didn't do crap to us.

Conservative Idealism wrote:If it's any consolation, the Fleet didn't kill REATO.

It died of natural causes. Let it go.

REATO is not dead yet. It just needs to be refreshed. The Red Fleet itself once had many members, but now is effectively just The Internationale's military wing.

Pevvania wrote:REATO is not dead yet. It just needs to be refreshed. The Red Fleet itself once had many members, but now is effectively just The Internationale's military wing.

I hear what you're saying, but to be brutally honest, it's nothing I haven't heard before. You've - we've - had many opportunities to resurrect the organization, yet here we are.

And even if it were possible to sustain an interregional military and continue the fight, that doesn't mean it would be right to. If REATO disbands and the Fleet continues attacking anti-fascist targets, the world will know their true colors, and the next generation of freedom fighters will rise against them under a different banner. If REATO disbands and the Fleet ceases their aggression against our allies, well, mission accomplished - both sides get what they want, except for revenge, which neither side is allowed. Either way, the only winning move is not to play - in the eyes of the world, the organization's continued existence justifies the misconduct of their new 'heroes'.

I know how much the defeat of the Red Fleet meant to you - and you may get another chance someday - but, for now, it would be wiser to withdraw. Refocus your efforts on creation rather than destruction; the Free Movement Treaty needs your attention more than the REAGAN Treaty does.

New Jaslandia

I had some time today and hammered out a quick draft of the Agreement on Reciprocal Citizenship (ARC), which is my State Department's continuation of the Free Movement Treaty proposal begun by Pevvania. I took the liberty of using Pevvania's Preamble, but the rest of the text is original.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=549741

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on what I have so far, everyone.

New Jaslandia

Post self-deleted by Right-Winged Nation.

4 days till I can apply for citizenship. Prepping my application right now.

Rateria

Blaine-Paleto County wrote:I had some time today and hammered out a quick draft of the Agreement on Reciprocal Citizenship (ARC), which is my State Department's continuation of the Free Movement Treaty proposal begun by Pevvania. I took the liberty of using Pevvania's Preamble, but the rest of the text is original.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=549741

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on what I have so far, everyone.

Looks great, WE NEED TO GET BOARD ELECTIONS GOING in order to vote on it

Quick info on the board:

- seat 4 is vacant due to RWN's change of position.

- Idk if TNUS is going to be active.

- I already announced my defense of the seat.

Once I'm a citizen, I'd be happy to run for the board.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Looks great, WE NEED TO GET BOARD ELECTIONS GOING in order to vote on it

Sounds like a plan to me.

I have presented the current draft to our allies in [region=Conservative League], [region=International Republican Union], [region=Commonwealth of Free Nations], [region=Hayek Islands], and [region=The Greater Empire] using my new diplomatic puppet, [nation=short]Paleto-Blainard Ambassador[/nation]. Did I leave any major allies out? I want to make sure that we start with a core group and then have the ability to expand outward from there.

New Jaslandia, Right-Winged Nation, Rateria

We'll need to redefine the parameters of Citizenship here in the IRU to put our security on the level of all other participants, but a poll on that shouldn't be too hard to pass. Just let us know what input is needed; you can assume ARC has our support.

Hallo Island

Conservative Idealism wrote:We'll need to redefine the parameters of Citizenship here in the IRU to put our security on the level of all other participants, but a poll on that shouldn't be too hard to pass. Just let us know what input is needed; you can assume ARC has our support.

Any thoughts you could provide would be very much appreciated, particularly as the immediate past Manager of State.

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Paleto-Blaine County wrote:Any thoughts you could provide would be very much appreciated, particularly as the immediate past Manager of State.

Actually, you seem to have it all covered. I've got nothing.

Conservative Idealism wrote:Actually, you seem to have it all covered. I've got nothing.

How is everything going now that you're not in Libertatem anymore?

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Can anyone run for board?

As long as you are not a citizen or part of the president's cabinet

The Aradites wrote:As long as you are not a citizen or part of the president's cabinet

As long as you aren't not a citizen*

Miencraft wrote:As long as you aren't not a citizen*

woops, thanks

Rateria wrote:How is everything going now that you're not in Libertatem anymore?

Quite well, all things considered. The IRU's been having a bit of an activity boom lately, I've been ever-so-slowly patching things up with a few leftist regions, and I've just updated Fortside Rock Radio. Don't get me wrong - every time I lose an ally, I get the itch to get back out there and fight, and circumstances could be a lot better... but I have hope that hostilities will die down eventually, and that the warring parties will eventually be able to at least tolerate one another when they're not on the battlefield.

Rateria

The Aradites wrote:woops, thanks

I understood what you ment to say.

If the vacancy of seat four continues I would like to put my bid in for the seat.

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I understood what you ment to say.

If the vacancy of seat four continues I would like to put my bid in for the seat.

Good

Which seat is it that takes care of the laws? The"Laws" page is kind of a mess and I wouldn't mind working on cleaning it up.

Rand Didn't make the cut. :( :( :(

Parvimperia wrote:Rand Didn't make the cut. :( :( :(

Very sad

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Very sad

Have you held your trial and had your banishment repealed?

If not, please leave.

Humpheria wrote:Have you held your trial and had your banishment repealed?

If not, please leave.

The executive order got erased, so it no longer applies.

Also, Muh Roads banned The Liberty State, not A&LC.

So legally I have every right to be in the region, unless I am deemed an "enemy combatant."

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Parvimperia wrote:Rand Didn't make the cut. :( :( :(

>cuts Rand and Fiorina

>not kasich

>wtf

Miencraft, Rateria, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots

The Aradites wrote:>cuts Rand and Fiorina

>not kasich

>wtf

And Kasich is polling 1.8% nationally :(

Not that it matters but:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=muh_roads/detail=factbook/id=414143

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Also, Muh Roads banned The Liberty State, not A&LC.

Libertatem law recognises successor nations as the original nation. This is true in regards to citizenship, to criminal punishment and to political office.

When was this order repealed? I don't recall this ever happening.

The New United States

Time to get the hammer ready.

Well, I logged in to a notice telling me I'm responsible for the RF attack on Hayek Islands because of my ambassador puppet.

:/ I'm sorry.

Blaine-Paleto County wrote:Well, I logged in to a notice telling me I'm responsible for the RF attack on Hayek Islands because of my ambassador puppet.

:/ I'm sorry.

Wait, how would you be responsible?

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:Wait, how would you be responsible?

This was posted on the Internationale's forum:

REATO gave away this region's vulnerability on the Regional Message Board of Libertatem last night when Condealism 2.0 (Blaine-Paleto County) announced an international tour for another doomed-to-fail treaty only to be chastised by Condealism 1.0 for sending an invitation to the vulnerable Hayek Islands. That vulnerability was confirmed when The Red Fleet Intelligence Directorate detected WA movement on Republic of Minerva's puppets. Thanks, guys!

I can't find the post chastising me, but it looks like me moving a nation over to Hayek Islands is what led them to it. :/

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:Wait, how would you be responsible?

He isn't. As a member of REATO, Hayek Islands was always under the Fleet's scrutiny - they just wanted us to believe that, by bringing it up, we were endangering it, in order to demoralize us.

Miencraft, Rateria, Blaine-Paleto County

Conservative Idealism wrote:He isn't. As a member of REATO, Hayek Islands was always under the Fleet's scrutiny - they just wanted us to believe that, by bringing it up, we were endangering it, in order to demoralize us.

If you say so. I still feel like I messed up somehow.

Blaine-Paleto County wrote:If you say so. I still feel like I messed up somehow.

Trust me, even if that were your fault, I've done things ten times worse during my time in office. Unlike my past exploits, this isn't anything you have to answer for. You'll be alright.

Pevvania wrote:Libertatem law recognises successor nations as the original nation. This is true in regards to citizenship, to criminal punishment and to political office.

When was this order repealed? I don't recall this ever happening.

I agree pev the order was never repealed and I don't intend on repealing it

I just realised- how come a Dark Commander puppet is the Vice President of this region???

Wilhelmsburg wrote:I just realised- how come a Dark Commander puppet is the Vice President of this region???

Because the puppet in question is a Libertatem citizen, an ardent supporter of the RLP, and RWN's running mate in the previous election?

I just realized - who are you?

*last-minute running mate, I should say

Right-Winged Nation, Rateria, The Dark Lieutenant

Conservative Idealism wrote:Because the puppet in question is a Libertatem citizen, an ardent supporter of the RLP, and RWN's running mate in the previous election?

I just realized - who are you?

Hm, I didn't know that was allowed. It was just surprising to see.

I am no one.

Parvimperia wrote:Rand Didn't make the cut. :( :( :(

Dear god, that joke Trump is still no. 1... Well... At least Cruz is still in the mix, eh?

The United States Of Patriots

Reagamerican Republic wrote:Dear god, that joke Trump is still no. 1... Well... At least Cruz is still in the mix, eh?

Cruz has no chance of beating Hillary. Rubio, however, does.

Wilhelmsburg wrote:Hm, I didn't know that was allowed. It was just surprising to see.

I am no one.

Come on, follow the FRAUD act. He's Aragon And Occitania.

I hate to say it but I think it's going to end up being Clinton vs. Bush, again. There's got to be a way to break this two-party nonsense and get some real candidates an actual fighting chance

Mentula Magna wrote:I hate to say it but I think it's going to end up being Clinton vs. Bush, again. There's got to be a way to break this two-party nonsense and get some real candidates an actual fighting chance

My bet is Cruz or Rubio v. Clinton. Trump gave off a single of increasing desperation when he brought out Cruz's Canadian birth. That being said a Trump win is likely. On the bright side, there's a chance for Libertarians to benefit from all that is Donald Trump.

New Jaslandia, The United States Of Patriots

I don't think Trump has any better chance of getting the Republican nomination than Sanders does with the Dems, even if he has widespread popular support. He's just not willing to play ball with the party machine.

I'm not sure this will be a popular opinion, but I have to say it. As long as Sanders doesn't end up in the race, I don't think I would mind the result so much.

There are no really good candidates in my opinion, but there are clearly some who are worse.

I'm okay with Rand, but I'm not a huge fan of his "I'm trying to be taken seriously in this race" shift.

I will seize power and dispense with this wretched experiment that is democracy.

Right-Winged Nation

Conservative Idealism wrote:*last-minute running mate, I should say

Basically, yeah :)

So I was wondering what do you guys think about NATO? I live in Germany and occasionally we have a debate here whether it's actually useful for Germany to remain a NATO member and whether we sould leave or not. What are your thoughts on this?

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:So I was wondering what do you guys think about NATO? I live in Germany and occasionally we have a debate here whether it's actually useful for Germany to remain a NATO member and whether we sould leave or not. What are your thoughts on this?

I don't see the point of NATO. It isn't as if they are going to do anything to stop...Russia(?). Europeans needs to control their borders from the Islamic Horde. NATO seems fairly useless. It is a self-perpetuating entity, not unlike the U.N. It exists simply so that the people who work for it have employment and perks. This is my unshakeable belief!

Jennifer Lawrence Is Beautiful wrote:I don't see the point of NATO. It isn't as if they are going to do anything to stop...Russia(?). Europeans needs to control their borders from the Islamic Horde. NATO seems fairly useless. It is a self-perpetuating entity, not unlike the U.N. It exists simply so that the people who work for it have employment and perks. This is my unshakeable belief!

You have a point. Germany is in a pretty safe position now without millions of Warsaw Pact troops on its direct border. A question would be: Does that (that is, no direct threats anymore) mean that we should automatically abandon all security measures in the hope we won't need them in the future? Nearly every nation on earth maintains a military despite the fact that many of them don't have a direct threat.

FYI, I'm just playing devil's advocate right now because I'm just interested what your thoughts on these arguments are. I'm not really making points myself here.

Also, this Islamic Horde bullshit is just pointless rabble-rousing and has nothing to do with arguments for or against NATO. It's a completely different topic I didn't ask for in any way.

(BTW the UN is completely different. It is not a military pact, just an international (not supranational) organization with the purpose of offering a platform for international negotiation. How effective "the UN" is depends on how willing the member nations are to do things.)

Concerning the UN:

"The UN was not created to bring us all to heaven, but to make hell somewhat more livable."

— Dag Hammarskjöld, Secretary-General from 1953 to 1961

I really like that particular quote. The UN founders didn't believe that their organization will somehow magically make the world all peaceful and perfect, that's completely unrealisitc. Instead they wanted to create an international ground for negotiations. Seeing as negotiation is much more common now than it has been before the UN has actually established some progress. Just don't expect any wonders.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria

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Reagamerican Republic wrote:Oh look... The Internationale, such a shame...

Yeah lol.

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For those of you wondering what is going on with the Internationale and the Red Fleet, I will say that we here in the Conservative League are responsible.

Dark Commander wrote:For those of you wondering what is going on with the Internationale and the Red Fleet, I will say that we here in the Conservative League are responsible.

Hell yeah we are. Murica.

The Dark Lieutenant

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:And looks like Paleto Blaine/Blaine Paleto was controlled by Misley.

Didn't he get a position in government? That's an awkward mistake lol.

Teuberland wrote:Didn't he get a position in government? That's an awkward mistake lol.

Yeah, he had a position here and in the Conservative League.

Teuberland

Teuberland wrote:Didn't he get a position in government? That's an awkward mistake lol.

He got a position yet went through the work to propose a free movement draft.

Rateria, Teuberland

I wonder how the nation cte'd. The NS site says the name Blaine-Paleto County was soiled.

New Jaslandia

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:And looks like Paleto Blaine/Blaine Paleto was controlled by Misley.

Right-Winged Nation, did I not call it?

New Jaslandia

Rest in Peace, Misley. I wish I could say I will miss you, but ya know.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:Rest in Peace, Misley. I wish I could say I will miss you, but ya know.

Misley is still around. He resurrected one of his puppets Caelapes, that ceased to exist, and so was not affected by the puppet sweep.

The Dark Lieutenant wrote:Misley is still around. He resurrected one of his puppets Caelapes, that ceased to exist, and so was not affected by the puppet sweep.

Well I wouldn't expect a professional rule breaker to stay dead, man. But much more has been affected here than just Misley rearing his head again.

The Dark Lieutenant

Humpheria wrote:Well I wouldn't expect a professional rule breaker to stay dead, man. But much more has been affected here than just Misley rearing his head again.

True.

Humpheria wrote:Rest in Peace, Misley. I wish I could say I will miss you, but ya know.

*Looks around because he doesn't know his next move*

New Jaslandia, Rateria

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Anyone watch the underdog debate?

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Anyone watch the underdog debate?

I was at scholar bowl. I heard Rand made an address. A bad move IMO. Less people saw him, I imagine.

Hello Libertatem! How goes it this fine evening?

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria

Au Minbo wrote:Hello Libertatem! How goes it this fine evening?

Ganz gut.

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