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Region: Libertatem
Except if you vote against it, in which case it's theft and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
So what has been going on? It seems like a lot since I was last online.
You have to apply for citizenship first..
What written law did TTA break, anyways?
I have been here before for almost a month just as Rotgeheim. Last I heard I did not need to apply , but reside for a period of tims which I have met.
He attacked Libertatens and leaked information. It was in direct violation with general decorum of military and certain sections of ARMA.
You are eligible but you still have to apply, it doesn't happen naturally.
The "Citizenship" link on the WFE clearly states that an application must be filled out.
How does one get this citizenship application
In which case, tough, it's a democracy. Unless you can devise a better form of running a country and persuade enough people to join you to create a new nation then suck it up and accept that most people don't agree with you.
NB: That's not to say that the current choice between right-wing or slightly-more-right-wing-and-christian party in America isn't despicable, but that's an issue of too many blind voters always voting the same way no matter what, plus no good alternatives. Also, rich people funding big parties with big budgets to get their messages out :P
Last time I was here tjats what went on my appolagies ill take care of that now
Copy-paste it with the proper information to Muh Roads. The application template is in the "Citizenship" link of the WFE.
Are you talking about the US?
Thank you
Hallo, I've sent you more flags via TG as you've requested. Just posting here to confirm you've got them.
I did. I am just a little busy.
There are no sections in ARMA that define his actions as illegal, to my knowledge. Same with the constitution.
Any Act of Treason is Illegal its common sense.
It's done, there is nothing to be said about the TTA fiasco that has not already been said
Mainly it is just, like I said, general military decorum. And ARMA Section I Subsection III (I believe) says that the law's purpose is to "better prepared against coercion, spying, and extortion". While it does not layout any solid plan to prevent this, it is in the law, so we can assume that it is frowned upon.
In this case I was, yes
It was an act of treason, yes, but a justifiable one. He was trying to defend an innocent region from a senseless, ignorant act of imperialism, and frankly, I would have done the same thing. The raid was bullsh!t, plain and simple.
I didn't vote for s***. This is a Republic, I don't have the ability to vote on welfare, or did you not notice that we don't get to do that.
IT WASN"T A RAID! Libertatem did not sanction it. A few of our residents were there, but we didn't sanction it. An official of this government shall not let his own opinions of our laws get in the way of his regional loyalties. He didn't like the war, so he attacked Citizens of our region.
Now, TTA is long ogne, the debate is over. His purpose in life was to divide this region, and he continues to succeed after he is gone. Stop talking about it.
Post self-deleted by Miencraft.
poor misguided soul, so young and nieve. A modern tragedy really
I kid, I kid
But not really
what if we're all tta puppets
That's an easy one. He attacked Libertatem's military. It doesn't matter why, but that is what happened. The law is impartial.
*Inception theme plays*
If Libertatem didn't sanction it, why did you charge him with fighting against Libertatem? I know him better than any of you, and I know that he loved this place and only wanted the best for it.
Probably because the people involved were citizens of Libertatem.
But it wasn't a Libertatem raid.
If some American tourists go to some country and are killed by that country's military for any reason, they killed Americans and by extension demonstrated aggression to America as a whole.
He didn't kill Libertatemites. He tried to protect an innocent region.
Hallo please stop. The law was enforced, so follow suit and argue with evidence in a future time. Right now focus on your campaign.
If I don't fight for what I believe now, how do you know that I will in office?
Honestly, at this point what you believe on this matter is of no consequence; it's done, it won't be overturned, so just move on.
Also, you missed the metaphor.
If nobody believed that DERP was wrong, it would have continued to oppress people of Libertatem.
He did not attack the region's government, he attacked the region's people. That alone should be enough. I can tell you that regardless of any lies he told you, he did not love this place. I don't know if he mentioned it to you, or you just don't care, but he was only here to serve out his three month ban from CFN. He planned on leaving as soon as his ban was up. He didn't give a flying frickadoodle about this region. And the fact that he tricked you into thinking that makes me think that you are just as gullible as you sound.
Now, it is over. If you claim that defending a convicted traitor who has displayed multiple times that he wishes only harm to the region, helps your campaign, you are sadly mistaken. This is the second time in the last three hours you have tried to defend or assist people who have broken regional laws, laws that you want to be elected to defend.
DERP was passed before half of us existed. That was a different time and a different place. Regardless, all it did was dissolve a political party that was dedicated to standing against everything this region stands for.
DERP was contrary to our principles anyways. That's why it was overturned.
ARMA is a relatively recent law that serves to uphold our principles. You'd have better luck challenging ARMA as a whole than trying to dispute this one event, the one real time ARMA was invoked. Just drop it, please. It'll be better for everyone. You're free to try to overturn ARMA, and, by extension, TTA's ban, but if you're not going to go there (and if you do go there, it'll be nearly impossible to get anything done) then please, just drop it and move on.
Whatever. Continue to oppress an innocent man.
You should have argued for that a long time ago. It's already been decided.
I was all for repealing it, but I wrote the act in the first place to ensure the fascists wouldn't oppress the people of this great region. Now they aren't a danger, and it's clear that the law has no purpose, and is now contrary to our principles. So we got rid of it. Yay.
Innocent men do not violate laws.
However, I'd like to just drop this here, so rather than continuing, I'd like to start up a random discussion, if anyone's up for one.
Anyone ever play Starbound? It's pretty neat.
Whether he was innocent then (which I doubt) is not important. But he sure as hell isn't innocent now; he's attempted to sow discord on multiple occasions since that incident, and may even be doing so now. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he got you to do it.
"Innocent Man"
One that renounced Libertatem citizenship.
One that was here because his real home got mad at him.
One that has insulted all of us.
One that attacked the citizens you wish to serve.
One that fought the war you wish to win.
One that hated the laws you wish to uphold.
"Innocent Man"
Never heard of it. Let's continue to see the political joke tell the one about the leftist turncoat; that one's always a laugh.
That's actually a bit of a poem.
I do know better and believe it now. I would not be surprised if Hallo does this at TTA's request. Not saying it happens, saying I wouldn't be surprised.
Truthful and great poetry *faints*
Is anything I said wrong or untrue?
I never said democracy was fair.
You get to vote for representatives. If they don't represent your views then get yourself one that does.
It's a sh*tty system, given, but unless you want a dictator there are few fairer ones.
My rep does vote how I want, but it doesn't mean a thing. We don't have a voice. Backrooms in Washington have a voice. And they don't like that idea.
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He insulted you because you insulted him. He attacked the citizens that I wish to serve, because they were attacking innocent people. He fought the war, because the way it was being fought at the time was tyrannical and oppressive. He only hated the laws that oppressed him.
Again, isn't this a problem of corruption of the system rather than the system itself?
Corporatism and money in politics ruins a lot of the ideals of the system...
Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it...
We let the market handle everything!!
Its perfect
I insulted him, he insulted the region.
He attacked citizens because they were doing what they wanted to do. He wanted to attack citizens, he faced the consequences. And they weren't innocent people. They had attacked us before. He fought with our enemy.
No, he fought the war because he was a communist and he hated that us darn libertarians were fighting it.
That law didn't oppress anyone, it was irrelevant, he was a communist, he didn't mind oppression.
Im a communist and I mind oppression.
Can we just be done.
Because the market CARES about people :3
Like people with cancer. The market really cares about people with cancer. Especially the ones that are going to die soon and cease to be good sources of income for somebody else.
Hey, at least the market can rip off all their relatives that are desperately working to keep them alive! Oh what's that? The market made them homeless for trying to save their family? Oh well! Market knows best.
He didn't.
I would be if he wouldn't continue to post after I have said the exact same thing three times.
*disrupts Muh's Hump day to hug Humpy*
Oh wait whats that, cancer drugs are a result of profit driven pharma companies and wouldn't even exist without them. Woah that be cra, yo.
I'm trying to work on my youth dialect)
Indeed. Might want to try it with somebody who speaks it.
Pharma companies can continue to make their profits, payed for collectively via taxation and the creation of a national health service instead of having individuals and their families' lives ruined on a case-by-case basis.
We... we can share.
I think the word you're looking for is corporatism, or fascism to the layman. Its a rather dangerous precedent to choose which companies make a "profit" and which don't. Furthermore that further degrades the profit incentive which has given us the benefits of modern civilization. Central planning does not allow for innovation by nature.
*hugs Muh*
*presses Muh and Humpy together*
I care about this said "communist" because I care about every person who ever has or ever will live in Libertatem. I want them all to be as free as I. And if one damned citizen of Libertatem is being oppressed by the government, than I shall disregard all of your opinions and all of your damned laws until every single atom is free.
Oh yeah
Now that is FREEDOM!
Compare and contrast Hallo Island and a wheel.
Both are great at spin.
Only one is running for president.
Post self-deleted by Ipian.
Well, this Friday the 4th Brigade Combat Team "Currahee" of the 101st Airborne Division (AASLT) will be de-activating. It's a sad day in America.
no, thats more like the degradation of rule of law
No law = freedom.
Ill be there
No law = absolute anarchy
Exactly. What is more free than Anarchy?
without law there can be no freedom.
You're really not helping your campaign much. He's not being oppressed; he's being punished in accordance with the laws that we agreed upon and were discussing and debating back then, and can continue to discuss and debate now if someone wants to get them overturned.
I really do want to say that I could vote for you, but I simply cannot because you really aren't showing that you're fit for a position where it's your job to understand and uphold these laws.
no law = chaos
freedom = controlled chaos
no law ≠ controlled chaos
There's no official closing ceremony for 4th BCT. They're closing the subordinate units individually. 1-61 CAV just got de-activated today, and that's four our of five units that make up 4th BCT. Only one more to go and the Currahees have been cased.
What "central planning"!? I suggested no such thing. A properly structured national healthcare service analyses available medication based on a cost/effectiveness system. The companies that make a profit are those that make effective medication - as proven by their clinical trials - and receive contracts from the government. In turn, this allows them to fund trials on further drugs and make a profit. Thus, a successful company gets contracts for medication that has proven effective and continues to exist. Companies that are unable to provide medication that provides effective results (and preferably cheaply) continue to be the ones that flounder and die.
This is still at the very essence of capitalism.
I'm not saying private healthcare should not exist as an option alongside a national health service, I'm saying that there should always be the option of receiving treatment available to people - no matter how much income they make. In my "oh so humbly naive" opinion, protecting a citizen's right to life is a duty of the government - is that so wrong?
not too mention help make more of them..
It's not freedom because it is controlled.
You'll never learn the importance of law until you have a toddler. :)
:) But no kid is really free. All have to go to school blablabla.
Sniff sniff. Im going to cry
G'night.
Ever seen the Purge? Welcome to a world without laws.
What's the difference between a sad clown and Hallo Island?
One is a despondent circus performer and the other is a nation running for the Libertatem presidency. /antijoke
So, Board elections start tomorrow.
From what I understand, all the incumbents are running for those same seats, except RRRG, who Amarican is going to replace.
That sound about right?
Mine was funnier.
Unless RRRG announces.
OK everyone. Just an FYI:
I am on Spring Break this week so you can imagine that I have been doing a lot of stuff. I try to check this once a day but I have a rather hard time sifting through the RMB at the end of each day. I am seeking reelection for my Board seat also.
Yeah freedom is chaos. It's beautiful. Controlled chaos is not freedom. For that you need laws and government and both of those time and time again restrict freedom and are slowly turning human beings into slaves. So objectively, freedom cannot possibly be controlled chaos.
In that case, I'll go get the popcorn. GID v. Amarican should be interesting.
And given that, thus far it's this, then:
1- Lack
2- Humpty Dumpty
3- RRRG
4- Mien
5- Godisdead v. Amarican
That is, assuming I did read that correctly and Amarican did indeed say he'd be running for 5 if RRRG announced, which he has.
As humans, i do think we strive for some form of control, naturally. That does not have to be from government though, so don't take what i am saying incorrectly.
I'm going for seat 1
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