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Miencraft wrote:Heh.

It's mostly copy-pasting of stuff out of the laws, you should be fine.

We're allowed to literally copy and paste? YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! I'm horrible at paraphrasing stuff, especially in English.

Rateria

http://i.imgur.com/f8lng32.jpg

Miencraft, Muh Roads

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:If everyone is in God mode then Lord Roads must be in Titan mode.

I did make my entire country orbit space last time.

Miencraft, Hallo Island, Rateria

Reaganomic Nws wrote:We're allowed to literally copy and paste? YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! I'm horrible at paraphrasing stuff, especially in English.

What's your native language?

Sweden And Finland

Reaganomic Nws wrote:We're allowed to literally copy and paste? YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! I'm horrible at paraphrasing stuff, especially in English.

Well, yeah, I just want to make sure you're reading things, and if you're finding stuff to copy you had to at least read something!

The New United States wrote:Do children naturally have rights that supersede those of their parents/guardians? Does a child have a right to be fed, for instance, that supersedes his/her parent's liberties?

If so, (and this question is targeted primarily at AnCaps) how would those rights possibly be protected, in the absence of the state?

(I know Rothbard talks about this topic in The Ethics of Liberty, which I really want to read, but my reading list is kind of backed-up at the moment)

As a minarchist I can't really say what the ancap perspective is. Personally, I view child neglect as an act of aggression.

The New United States, Rateria, Sweden And Finland

Miencraft wrote:Well, yeah, I just want to make sure you're reading things, and if you're finding stuff to copy you had to at least read something!

Hey, what is the poop brown on the map?

Sweden And Finland

Hallo Island wrote:Hey, what is the poop brown on the map?

Gee, I wish the map had a legend on it.

Sweden And Finland

Miencraft wrote:Gee, I wish the map had a legend on it.

It's not on the legend.

Sweden And Finland

Miencraft wrote:Gee, I wish the map had a legend on it.

Svalbard, above Norway

Sweden And Finland

Midland County wrote:Svalbard, above Norway

And a tiny island next to Sweden.

Sweden And Finland

The New United States wrote:Do children naturally have rights that supersede those of their parents/guardians? Does a child have a right to be fed, for instance, that supersedes his/her parent's liberties?

If so, (and this question is targeted primarily at AnCaps) how would those rights possibly be protected, in the absence of the state?

(I know Rothbard talks about this topic in The Ethics of Liberty, which I really want to read, but my reading list is kind of backed-up at the moment)

Rothbard himself says that the NAP means that parents have no inherent responsibility to look after their children, so forcing them to do so would be aggression. He literally says in this chapter that parents have the right to let their children die.

But according to Rothbard's overall system of ethics, this is wrong. When a parent has a child, they create a contract to care for it. They are bound by this responsibility if and unless the parent divests care of the child to another responsible adult. Allowing someone in your custody to die is recognized by modern ancaps, such as Tom Woods, as murder, and thus a violation of the NAP. For example, if I took you up in my hot air balloon, just as we hit 3000 feet would I have the right to tell you to get out? No.

Many people have constructed ridiculous situations that usually qualify as straw men in order to argue against anarcho-capitalism, but many of them have very simple answers that can be reached by logical thought experiments.

The New United States, Rateria, Sweden And Finland

The Board and or President should reject Turkic Union's embassy request. It is a region with ties to numerous fascist regions.

Rateria, Sweden And Finland

Pevvania wrote:Rothbard himself says that the NAP means that parents have no inherent responsibility to look after their children, so forcing them to do so would be aggression. He literally says in this chapter that parents have the right to let their children die.

But according to Rothbard's overall system of ethics, this is wrong. When a parent has a child, they create a contract to care for it. They are bound by this responsibility if and unless the parent divests care of the child to another responsible adult. Allowing someone in your custody to die is recognized by modern ancaps, such as Tom Woods, as murder, and thus a violation of the NAP. For example, if I took you up in my hot air balloon, just as we hit 3000 feet would I have the right to tell you to get out? No.

Many people have constructed ridiculous situations that usually qualify as straw men in order to argue against anarcho-capitalism, but many of them have very simple answers that can be reached by logical thought experiments.

Who, in a stateless society, would protect the baby from such an act of neglect? Would private protection agencies have any reason to do so, in your estimation?

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Hallo Island wrote:What's your native language?

Estonian :)

The American Empire In Libertatem, Sweden And Finland

Hallo Island wrote:It's not on the legend.

Oh, man, must have been Northern Prussia. Did not notice that was left behind at all.

Sweden And Finland

Pevvania wrote:The Board and or President should reject Turkic Union's embassy request. It is a region with ties to numerous fascist regions.

no worries, i had no plans of accepting it.

Kings Island, Rateria

Sup

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Ankha wrote:Sup

Sup

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Ankha wrote:Sup

Soup

The American Empire In Libertatem, Sweden And Finland

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Ankha wrote:Sup

Oh no s***

Sweden And Finland

Midland County wrote:Oh no s***

It's okay, we can escape to Gay Texas. :P

Seriously, though, welcome back.

Who's attending Central Pacific Empire's festival? I need a list yesterday.

It's been really active today

Muh Roads wrote:Who's attending Central Pacific Empire's festival? I need a list yesterday.

Maybe

Muh Roads wrote:Who's attending Central Pacific Empire's festival? I need a list yesterday.

Sure

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Maybe

I'll put you down anyway...

Humpheria wrote:Sure

Thanks!

Muh Roads wrote:Who's attending Central Pacific Empire's festival? I need a list yesterday.

I'll attend

Shermaniya Ii wrote:Miss you guys

I offered you that I'd attempt to get you pardoned awhile back. Still not interested?

Condealism wrote:I offered you that I'd attempt to you pardoned awhile back. Still not interested?

I would be glad to prosecute if you tried.

He is permanently banned by Executive Order #1 and as such can not legally reside in Libertatem, or post on the RMB for that matter.

Humpheria wrote:I would be glad to prosecute if you tried.

He is permanently banned by Executive Order #1 and as such can not legally reside in Libertatem, or post on the RMB for that matter.

Who cares, not like I'm a threat anyway.

Condealism wrote:I offered you that I'd attempt to get you pardoned awhile back. Still not interested?

Should he even be pardoned, in the first place? Forgiveness is something that is admirable, and it is something that we as individuals must dispense freely to our fellow man, but it is not something that we should ever allow to be a part of Libertatem's national security modus operandi.

Sherm lied to his fellow Libertatemites numerously, abusing our good faith and human decency, so that he could sell us down the river by giving classified information to the terroristic forces of the militant-left on several occasions. There is simply no justification for absolving him of these crimes, because of their severity.

Perhaps we should all try to find it in our hearts to forgive Sherm. He is a fallible human being, capable of error and susceptible to being led astray. The government of Libertatem, however, should not, indeed must not, forget the damage he has inflicted upon our region, nor the possibility that he will pose just as much a threat later on.

Well perhaps we could just let Sherm be a Resident in the region but not a Citizen until he proves himself worthy of that honor.

What exactly did he do?

Kings Island wrote:What exactly did he do?

There is not enough time in the day.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:Well perhaps we could just let Sherm be a Resident in the region but not a Citizen until he proves himself worthy of that honor.

No. It would set a poor precedent. We as a region have a bad habit of being hurt by people, kicking them out, and eventually allowing them back in, only to be hurt again.

Not this time. The President was clear in issuing his order, and I agree. Any attempt to circumvent it will be met with the fullest extent of our judicial system.

Miencraft, The New United States

Well, I tried. Sorry, Sherm.

Aaaaaanyway. Unrelated to the continued Shermanigans, A3 seems to be closing down, meaning this embassy will likely close soon. Just giving you guys a heads up.

Wovenland wrote:I'll attend

Thanks

The New Sea Territory wrote:Aaaaaanyway. Unrelated to the continued Shermanigans, A3 seems to be closing down, meaning this embassy will likely close soon. Just giving you guys a heads up.

Thank you for the notice NST.

The real problem at hand..

Why am I up this late???

Humpheria, Rateria

I blame Obama.

Pevvania, Rateria

I blame Donald Trump's stupidity.

Pevvania, Rateria

Condealism wrote:I blame Obama.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:I blame Donald Trump's stupidity.

Both are equally at fault.

Rateria

Muh Roads wrote:I'll put you down anyway...

Thanks!

I'll go.

Ive been in the region a long time now, but have remained fairly inactive, is there anyway I can get involved with regional politics?

Fejanstein wrote:Ive been in the region a long time now, but have remained fairly inactive, is there anyway I can get involved with regional politics?

Sure! Join the Party for Open Governance! I'm up for some shameless advertising.

Time to get back to debunking the ridiculous gun control BS polluting the RMB.

Kings Island, Right-Winged Nation, Rateria, The American Empire In Libertatem

I don't really understand how anyone could support a monarchy over a republic. The concept of inheriting power is unmeritocratic, and thus against libertarian ideals. Plus, who'd want their tax money going to sustain a watery old tart in a palace?

As for me, long live the republic!

Pevvania, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I don't really understand how anyone could support a monarchy over a republic. The concept of inheriting power is unmeritocratic, and thus against libertarian ideals. Plus, who'd want their tax money going to sustain a watery old tart in a palace?

As for me, long live the republic!

I'm for elective monarchy, which is very meritocratic. Nothing whips up patriotism like an emperor.

Rateria

Kings Island wrote:Sure! Join the Party for Open Governance! I'm up for some shameless advertising.

There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of difference between the parties?

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11800067_1061711300523205_5849518012268747276_n.png?oh=225e6e790f5b8282479f0abecb84cc04&oe=5649CAFA

Fejanstein wrote:There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of difference between the parties?

Pffttt. Of course their is. Republicanism vs direct democracy.

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How much power would an elected Emperor have? Basically President for life with a title?

Well I guess I'd like to join the Party for Open Governance please. :)

Kings Island, The American Empire In Libertatem

Now how do i get citizenship and start voting?

Well you have been here for more then 10 days so you have that down. You now have to go to the citizenship tab on the wfe and apply. You then have to study the law and take a random test.

Fejanstein wrote:Now how do i get citizenship and start voting?

Hm, I wish there were a link in the WFE that said "Citizenship" from which one could obtain this information...

Miencraft wrote:Hm, I wish there were a link in the WFE that said "Citizenship" from which one could obtain this information...

Yes! I answered before Mien's snarky/jerk answer!

Miencraft

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:How much power would an elected Emperor have? Basically President for life with a title?

Well, an elected monarch would act in a similar manner to the constitutional monarchs of Europe. Though, being elected, he would have greater influence. Sort of like a "parent of the nation". Someone who comments on policy, comforts the nation during tragedy, and acts as a chief diplomat.

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11800067_1061711300523205_5849518012268747276_n.png?oh=225e6e790f5b8282479f0abecb84cc04&oe=5649CAFA

I've seen tumblr posts where nazis and communists have united over their hatred of jews.

Citizenship Application sent away :)

Pevvania, Sweden And Finland

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I don't really understand how anyone could support a monarchy over a republic. The concept of inheriting power is unmeritocratic, and thus against libertarian ideals. Plus, who'd want their tax money going to sustain a watery old tart in a palace?

As for me, long live the republic!

I agree. 'Libertarian monarchism' baffles me. What is that? Making sure a libertarian family becomes the ruler for life of a state? What happens when the next kid to inherit the throne is some "an"-com or conservative? There goes the libertarianism.

Liberty is best protected in a pluralist society in which power is dispersed widely, so no single institution can assert itself over all others. This can be achieved through a federal republic like the USA or Switzerland, or in a state of enlightened, educated anarchy.

Wovenland wrote:I've seen tumblr posts where nazis and communists have united over their hatred of jews.

It fails to surprise me that you get dingbats like that and ultra-feminists all coexisting peacefully in the same eco-chamber.

Rateria, Sweden And Finland

Pevvania wrote:I agree. 'Libertarian monarchism' baffles me. What is that? Making sure a libertarian family becomes the ruler for life of a state? What happens when the next kid to inherit the throne is some "an"-com or conservative? There goes the libertarianism.

Liberty is best protected in a pluralist society in which power is dispersed widely, so no single institution can assert itself over all others. This can be achieved through a federal republic like the USA or Switzerland, or in a state of enlightened, educated anarchy.

It fails to surprise me that you get dingbats like that and ultra-feminists all coexisting peacefully in the same eco-chamber.

Eh, like I said, elective monarchy can be libertarian and an elected monarch is an excellent safeguard of the constitution.

Rateria, Sweden And Finland

Wovenland wrote:I've seen tumblr posts where nazis and communists have united over their hatred of jews.

They must have been Nazbols.

Sweden And Finland

I'll be in Boston for the next 3 weeks. Do you guys have any good address, place to visit etc ?

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Yrellian Confederacy wrote:I'll be in Boston for the next 3 weeks. Do you guys have any good address, place to visit etc ?

Id love to go to boston

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Yrellian Confederacy wrote:I'll be in Boston for the next 3 weeks. Do you guys have any good address, place to visit etc ?

No, sorry. I've never been to the liberal hellhole.

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Pevvania wrote:I agree. 'Libertarian monarchism' baffles me. What is that? Making sure a libertarian family becomes the ruler for life of a state? What happens when the next kid to inherit the throne is some "an"-com or conservative? There goes the libertarianism.

Liberty is best protected in a pluralist society in which power is dispersed widely, so no single institution can assert itself over all others. This can be achieved through a federal republic like the USA or Switzerland, or in a state of enlightened, educated anarchy.

It fails to surprise me that you get dingbats like that and ultra-feminists all coexisting peacefully in the same eco-chamber.

"Enlightened anarchy" you over estimate the public Pev.

Sweden And Finland

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"Enlightened anarchy" you over estimate the public Pev.

People have to be taught these kind of ethics and values. Specifically, extending the basic 'don't kill, don't steal and don't hurt people' as a universal ethic that applies to governance as well as personal interactions. Over millennia, humans have been taught good ethical values. Ethical values that led to the creation of capitalism, the family unit, the concept of property rights, and civilization itself.

Creating a peaceful society is not a walk in the park, but it can be done.

Rateria, Sweden And Finland

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Reaganomic Nws, Sweden And Finland

Made another Bernie meme - https://i.imgflip.com/osw3e.jpg

Reaganomic Nws

"Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking Call for Ban on Autonomous Military Robots"

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/elon-musk-and-stephen-hawking-call-for-ban-on-autonomou-1720383277?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Thoughts?

Pevvania wrote:"Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking Call for Ban on Autonomous Military Robots"

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/elon-musk-and-stephen-hawking-call-for-ban-on-autonomou-1720383277?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Thoughts?

"I for one welcome our new robot overlords."

They make some good points -- ones I agree with, but we all know how human advancement in warfare goes. This is going to happen regardless of anyone's wishes if it is possible to achieve.

Those who agree with the authors of that letter and do not develop such weapons will be hamstringing themselves in the future, and many of those who do sign such a treaty will develop anyway behind closed doors.

They say it themselves: development of autonomous weapons will be like gunpowder or nuclear weapons. The major powers simply can't afford to fall behind in such a pivotal area of warfare.

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:"Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking Call for Ban on Autonomous Military Robots"

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/elon-musk-and-stephen-hawking-call-for-ban-on-autonomou-1720383277?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Thoughts?

Autonomous military robots are valuable resources to those ungrateful flesh bags.

Tyrinth wrote:"I for one welcome our new robot overlords."

CONFIRMED.

Rateria

"Until its complete extermination or loss of national status, this racial trash always becomes the most fanatical bearer there is of counter-revolution, and it remains that. That is because its entire existence is nothing more than a protest against a great historical revolution... The next world war will cause not only reactionary classes and dynasties, but also entire reactionary peoples, to disappear from the earth. And that too is progress." -Karl Marx

Reaganomic Nws

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:I'll be in Boston for the next 3 weeks. Do you guys have any good address, place to visit etc ?

Quincey Market, Museum of Science, Fenway.

Random question: Describe Keynesian economics in one sentence.

Zauaria wrote:Random question: Describe Keynesian economics in one sentence.

El oh el.

Pevvania

Never been to the east coast, never really bothered... haven't even been to capital... which is for the best. I'd probably be arrested for taking political stances outside of the designated areas.

Kings Island

Muh Roads wrote:Never been to the east coast, never really bothered... haven't even been to capital... which is for the best. I'd probably be arrested for taking political stances outside of the designated areas.

It's kind of over rated.

Some of the engineering and architecture in DC is impressive -- I especially love the subways -- but I mean unless there's something specific you really want to see, you're not missing much.

Hallo Island

I love Washington DC. I would move there if it were not so expensive.

Right-Winged Nation

Is everyone here American?

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:I love Washington DC. I would move there if it were not so expensive.

It's nice.

Fejanstein wrote:Is everyone here American?

Damn straight I am.

Hallo Island wrote:Quincey Market, Museum of Science, Fenway.

Thanks !

Fejanstein wrote:Is everyone here American?

Most of us.

I am, but I know there are a few who aren't.

Ahh I am from Europe, some of the things youve mentioned in the RMB are so confusing, but now i see why.

Pev's an American... at heart.

Humpheria

Fejanstein wrote:Is everyone here American?

I'm certainly American, but not everyone in Libertatem is. Regardless, everyone seems to tolerate each other whether there American or not.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"Until its complete extermination or loss of national status, this racial trash always becomes the most fanatical bearer there is of counter-revolution, and it remains that. That is because its entire existence is nothing more than a protest against a great historical revolution... The next world war will cause not only reactionary classes and dynasties, but also entire reactionary peoples, to disappear from the earth. And that too is progress." -Karl Marx

Lol, that wasn't Marx who wrote that.

Pevvania wrote:https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11800067_1061711300523205_5849518012268747276_n.png?oh=225e6e790f5b8282479f0abecb84cc04&oe=5649CAFA

That implies 1 of 2 things.

1 All jews are capitalists.

2 All capitalists are jews.

Neither of which are true.

Rateria wrote:I'm certainly American, but not everyone in Libertatem is. Regardless, everyone seems to tolerate each other whether there American or not.

I meant they're, now I feel sad about that atrocious grammar error.

Pangaean Debating Emissary wrote:That implies 1 of 2 things.

1 All jews are capitalists.

2 All capitalists are jews.

Neither of which are true.

You say that like Pev was actually trying to make an anti-Semitic point.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:I love Washington DC. I would move there if it were not so expensive.

Same

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It is a Marx quote.

Fejanstein wrote:Is everyone here American?

I'm not American. Wouldn't mind moving there though just to annoy Bernie.

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