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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I can say, without any hesitation, that Ron Reagan's wife was kinda just a bïtch. Sue me.

#JustSayNo

I don't have any problem with drug use morally or legally speaking, but it IS true that the best way to be not addicted to drugs is to just never try them.

It's the same with abstenance-only education. "Abstenance is the only 100% effective birth control method." Well yeah, that's technically true, they just don't mention condoms are 99.9% effective.

Miencraft, Rateria, Luxemborglo

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:If you hate dying so much, why don't you just not be born? Libtards owned.

-Charlie Kirk

Founder, Turning Point Life

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:I don't have any problem with drug use morally or legally speaking, but it IS true that the best way to be not addicted to drugs is to just never try them.

It's the same with abstenance-only education. "Abstenance is the only 100% effective birth control method." Well yeah, that's technically true, they just don't mention condoms are 99.9% effective.

"Your hormones are at uncontrollable levels, you're mentally maturing, and your one desire in life is to have sex. Just don't do it."

I remember in my first sex ed class they were like "Yeah you can actually get pregnant from any sort of touching."

Rateria, Articles Of Confederation Usa

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

Some „drugs“ like caffeine or nicotine are OK, but the others are not. Now stop obsessing over your precious weed

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Kongeriget Island wrote:Some „drugs“ like caffeine or nicotine are OK, but the others are not. Now stop obsessing over your precious weed

You've clearly never had gas

Kongeriget Island wrote:Some „drugs“ like caffeine or nicotine are OK, but the others are not.

And the exact line that a drug has to cross to not be okay is...?

Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Articles Of Confederation Usa

Happy self-birthday

Islands, Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Look, I don't need to justify and argue for everything I say; I simply made a comment and you can take it however you want.

"Science is a liar sometimes" Mac

The New United States

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

Kongeriget Island wrote:Look, I don't need to justify and argue for everything I say

You kinda do when you make a point that literally requires more explanation than just "this is how it is" in order for the point to make any kind of sense.

Unless, of course, you don't want the point to make any kind of sense.

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Happy self-birthday

Happy birthday, Pevvania!

The New United States

Kongeriget Island wrote:Look, I don't need to justify and argue for everything I say; I simply made a comment and you can take it however you want.

x is bad

Not making an argument btw

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

In Lib's defense, there does seem to be a qualitative distinction between the mind altering effects of caffeine and nicotine, and those of marijuana, cocaine, and others. The former doesn't really change your personality in a noticeable way, unless you're addicted to them and haven't had them of course, the latter cause noticeable personality shifts immediately.

I'm not of the mind that any drugs should be banned, but to someone who IS of that mind, that distinction would seem to be self-evident.

Skaveria wrote:In Lib's defense, there does seem to be a qualitative distinction between the mind altering effects of caffeine and nicotine, and those of marijuana, cocaine, and others. The former doesn't really change your personality in a noticeable way, unless you're addicted to them and haven't had them of course, the latter cause noticeable personality shifts immediately.

I'm not of the mind that any drugs should be banned, but to someone who IS of that mind, that distinction would seem to be self-evident.

Watching Congress screw up US, or Parliament screw up the UK makes them the drug of the latter kind for me. I get all bent out of shape, and chug my drug of choice Dr. Pepper (drug of the first category) by the dozen. My closest friends form "Interventions" and try to pry the remote from my hands.

The New United States

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

The UK has a Silly Party with Lord Bucket-head and some form of mutant Elmo. If the US had a silly party I would:

>>>>>1. change my name to "U(llysees) S Taxpayer,

>>>>>2. wear a paper bag over my head (with changeable permanent marker expressions),

>>>>>3. a barrel over my torso emblazoned with the official US Taxpayer logo,

>>>>>4. fuzzy bunny slippers on my feet and

>>>>>5. sock puppets on my hands (one red, and one blue that would attack each other with their most idiotic talking points).

I would run on the platform that:

>>>>>1. every Congressman be subject to every piece of legislation on themselves first for 7 years before it is implemented to the rest of the nation.

>>>>>2. require every Congressman to wear shock collars that zaps them with severe amperage every time they tell a lie.

>>>>>3. require every Congressman to live and work out of an office on the block of their most crime ridden, or economically depressed district.

>>>>>5 require every President to: wear an orange Donald Trump Toupee and either a tie that hangs three inches below the belt line, or an ugly colored oversized Hillaryesque pantsuit and Hillarydo Wig or admixtures of both (their choice).

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Boris Johnson's landslide victory is a historic outcome for freedom and sovereignty against socialism, antisemitism and globalism. This has remade the political map and will guarantee Brexit once and for all. I'm proud to have voted Tory in vanquishing the globalist socialist hordes.

Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands

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Pevvania wrote:Boris Johnson's landslide victory is a historic outcome for freedom and sovereignty against socialism, antisemitism and globalism. This has remade the political map and will guarantee Brexit once and for all. I'm proud to have voted Tory in vanquishing the globalist socialist hordes.

I am glad you were able to participate. Use the opportunity to undo the 20th Century rot of Statism as best you can. Convincing the Brits that the civic virtues of freedom and liberty are better alternatives to the despotism of Statism and serfdom of Socialism is an Sisyphean task.

I do not think Prime Minister Johnson embodies all that you expressed (just as Trump is not as Conservative as most GOPers think) but I do think Johnson (like Trump) is a step in the right direction (no pun intended).

The New United States

Kongeriget Island wrote:Some „drugs“ like caffeine or nicotine are OK, but the others are not. Now stop obsessing over your precious weed

Caffeine and nicotine are both drugs. You shouldn't get addicted to either.

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Caffeine and nicotine are both drugs. You shouldn't get addicted to either.

I'm having a real hard time deciding whether I should smoke the thing that definitely is a known carcinogen, or the thing that's being looked into for treating cancer.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:I'm having a real hard time deciding whether I should smoke the thing that definitely is a known carcinogen, or the thing that's being looked into for treating cancer.

Are we talking about weed or caffeine here

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Are we talking about weed or caffeine here

I would hope nobody's smoking caffeine.

Rateria

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Miencraft wrote:I'm having a real hard time deciding whether I should smoke the thing that definitely is a known carcinogen, or the thing that's being looked into for treating cancer.

Cigarettes can be enjoyed in moderation, but your weed thing is just nasty and the curing cancer thing is just to give some hippie douches excuses to be smoking it all the time

Kongeriget Island wrote:Cigarettes can be enjoyed in moderation, but your weed thing is just nasty and the curing cancer thing is just to give some hippie douches excuses to be smoking it all the time

The healthiest number of cigarettes is 0.

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands

Narland wrote:I am glad you were able to participate. Use the opportunity to undo the 20th Century rot of Statism as best you can. Convincing the Brits that the civic virtues of freedom and liberty are better alternatives to the despotism of Statism and serfdom of Socialism is an Sisyphean task.

I do not think Prime Minister Johnson embodies all that you expressed (just as Trump is not as Conservative as most GOPers think) but I do think Johnson (like Trump) is a step in the right direction (no pun intended).

I'm under no illusion of Boris being a radical free marketeer. On domestic matters, he's a fairly moderate One-Nation conservative (though much further to the right than Theresa May) who, in his campaign, pledged increases in government spending on healthcare and education and a boost to the minimum wage, alongside some modest tax cuts. Those are not election promises that excite me, many of which would elicit eye-rolls from many in the region. But the most important things about Johnson's victory is that it means a) Brexit will be achieved and b) socialism has failed.

The former will allow the UK to set competitive tax, trade and regulatory regimes, all of which were in some way restricted by the protectionist EU. For example, in Europe we are not allowed to lower VAT (national consumption tax) below 5%. Unshackled from the EU, we are free to liberalize our markets as much as we may. And the latter is just as significant, as Jeremy Corbyn promised to nationalize rail, energy, water, broadband and postal services, an unconscionable intrusion of government into the market.

You're right that Brits on average have few classical liberal tendencies, but I think getting Brexit done is so important for our long-term sovereignty and preventing further erosion of our freedoms that this is a victory worth celebrating.

Narland

Kongeriget Island wrote:Cigarettes can be enjoyed in moderation, but your weed thing is just nasty and the curing cancer thing is just to give some hippie douches excuses to be smoking it all the time

Cigarettes are a billion times worse than marijuana. The former causes cancer, addiction and a whole range of health problems; moderate use of the latter just makes people lazy and hungry.

Miencraft, Rateria, Miri Islands

Kongeriget Island wrote:Cigarettes can be enjoyed in moderation, but your weed thing is just nasty and the curing cancer thing is just to give some hippie douches excuses to be smoking it all the time

You're mad you smoke the cancer stick. If you think smoking Cigs are anywhere near weed you are delusional.

Pevvania, Miri Islands

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Kongeriget Island wrote:Cigarettes can be enjoyed in moderation

No, not really. Tobacco is one of few things where doing it at all is going to wreck your health.

Pevvania, Jadentopian Order

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:UK has no constitution

Sometimes I want to go learn how the UK government works and then I remember that even they don't actually know how it works and have just been making it up as they went along for the past thousand years, and nowhere in that millennium did anyone suggest that maybe they should write it down.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Highway Eighty-Eight

Miencraft wrote:Sometimes I want to go learn how the UK government works and then I remember that even they don't actually know how it works and have just been making it up as they went along for the past thousand years, and nowhere in that millennium did anyone suggest that maybe they should write it down.

Their gov is to cricket as the US is to baseball or something like that. :)

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:I'm under no illusion of Boris being a radical free marketeer. On domestic matters, he's a fairly moderate One-Nation conservative (though much further to the right than Theresa May) who, in his campaign, pledged increases in government spending on healthcare and education and a boost to the minimum wage, alongside some modest tax cuts. Those are not election promises that excite me, many of which would elicit eye-rolls from many in the region. But the most important things about Johnson's victory is that it means a) Brexit will be achieved and b) socialism has failed.

The former will allow the UK to set competitive tax, trade and regulatory regimes, all of which were in some way restricted by the protectionist EU. For example, in Europe we are not allowed to lower VAT (national consumption tax) below 5%. Unshackled from the EU, we are free to liberalize our markets as much as we may. And the latter is just as significant, as Jeremy Corbyn promised to nationalize rail, energy, water, broadband and postal services, an unconscionable intrusion of government into the market.

You're right that Brits on average have few classical liberal tendencies, but I think getting Brexit done is so important for our long-term sovereignty and preventing further erosion of our freedoms that this is a victory worth celebrating.

It is very encouraging that so many voted and voted for Brexit. Hopefully this is the start of something big.

***anecdote alert***

I was outside of Norfolk on one of the last days that Subjects had to turn in their firearms. We went with a WWII vet as he turned in his rifle to a detail that removed the trigger mechanism and plugged the barrel of his old long rifle with hot metal. He had welled up and fought back the tears. >:( They at least let him keep it. I vowed stop that from happening back in the States.

***end anecdote alert***

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria

Narland wrote:It is very encouraging that so many voted and voted for Brexit. Hopefully this is the start of something big.

***anecdote alert***

I was outside of Norfolk on one of the last days that Subjects had to turn in their firearms. We went with a WWII vet as he turned in his rifle to a detail that removed the trigger mechanism and plugged the barrel of his old long rifle with hot metal. He had welled up and fought back the tears. >:( They at least let him keep it. I vowed stop that from happening back in the States.

***end anecdote alert***

I recall seeing something once saying that an elderly man had his entire milsurp collection confiscated for destruction. He had original SMLEs and hand grenades (they were possibly inactive). Whenever I think of Great Britain, I think of gun grabbing. I would love to hold such historic treasures for myself, but not everyone appreciates history. It appears that the British government doesn’t.

Narland, The New United States

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:UK has no constitution

Its greatest flaw. Theoretically, a non-MP could be elected prime minister if the Parliament voted them in. The only thing stopping them is convention.

The New United States

Miencraft wrote:Sometimes I want to go learn how the UK government works and then I remember that even they don't actually know how it works and have just been making it up as they went along for the past thousand years, and nowhere in that millennium did anyone suggest that maybe they should write it down.

Just think of it like the House of Representatives being the only significant office citizens vote for, and usually only every 4-5 years, and it running the rest of the government and courts.

Arguably, the UK has been moving towards a codified constitution over the past 10-20 years, especially with the advent of the Supreme Court since the late 2000s. But is doubtly one any liberty-minded person would like to see.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Imo, any constitution is better than no constitution.

I think the Weimar republic wants to have a word with you

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The UK needs to be devolved into principalities based on medieval kingdoms. Kent, East Anglia, Wessex, Scotland, etc.

And the Magna Carta could be used as a basis for a constitution.

Islands, Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The UK needs to be devolved into principalities based on medieval kingdoms. Kent, East Anglia, Wessex, Scotland, etc.

And the Magna Carta could be used as a basis for a constitution.

Just bring back the Danelaw. That'll fix everything.

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Guys what causes cancer in cigarettes is that you're inhaling SMOKE; the same thing is happening when you SMOKE weed. Not complicated

Kongeriget Island wrote:Guys what causes cancer in cigarettes is that you're inhaling SMOKE; the same thing is happening when you SMOKE weed. Not complicated

You're trolling

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cessation-fact-sheet

"Among the 250 known harmful chemicals in tobacco smoke, at least 69 can cause cancer."

https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/complementary-and-alternative-medicine/marijuana-and-cancer.html

"Different compounds in marijuana have different actions in the human body. For example, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) seems to cause the "high" reported by marijuana users, and also can help relieve pain and nausea, reduce inflammation, and can act as an antioxidant. Cannabidiol (CBD) can help treat seizures, can reduce anxiety and paranoia, and can counteract the "high" caused by THC."

Then if you look at the potential harms section, it says: "it also delivers harmful substances to users and those close by, including many of the same substances found in tobacco smoke." 1.) There are more ways to consume it. 2.) Unless you are a complete idiot and decide to roll a joint with tobacco, you aren't going to get nearly as many carcinogens as cigarettes. The other danger it lists is that it basically just makes you high. Yes, paranoia and anxiety are a real effect of weed. You know how you can solve that? Literally just consuming less or none at all.

And this is completely off-topic but it bugs me: There's not just one strain of marijuana with the same effects every time, there are plenty of different ones that have different effects. You don't always have to consume it just for a couple of hours of chill time.

Pevvania, Rateria

Guys what causes cancer in cigarettes is that you're inhaling SMOKE; the same thing is happening when you SMOKE weed. Not complicated

Jadentopian Order wrote:https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cessation-fact-sheet

"Among the 250 known harmful chemicals in tobacco smoke, at least 69 can cause cancer."

https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/complementary-and-alternative-medicine/marijuana-and-cancer.html

"Different compounds in marijuana have different actions in the human body. For example, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) seems to cause the "high" reported by marijuana users, and also can help relieve pain and nausea, reduce inflammation, and can act as an antioxidant. Cannabidiol (CBD) can help treat seizures, can reduce anxiety and paranoia, and can counteract the "high" caused by THC."

Then if you look at the potential harms section, it says: "it also delivers harmful substances to users and those close by, including many of the same substances found in tobacco smoke." 1.) There are more ways to consume it. 2.) Unless you are a complete idiot and decide to roll a joint with tobacco, you aren't going to get nearly as many carcinogens as cigarettes. The other danger it lists is that it basically just makes you high. Yes, paranoia and anxiety are a real effect of weed. You know how you can solve that? Literally just consuming less or none at all.

And this is completely off-topic but it bugs me: There's not just one strain of marijuana with the same effects every time, there are plenty of different ones that have different effects. You don't always have to consume it just for a couple of hours of chill time.

Well you may think this is a fancy and conclusive rebuttal of what I was saying but there is nothing there that refutes what I said, that is that the smoke you inhale is what causes the cancer. Also I don't know why it matters that there are many kinds of different weeds or whatever - the same is true of tobacco

Kongeriget Island wrote:Guys what causes cancer in cigarettes is that you're inhaling SMOKE; the same thing is happening when you SMOKE weed. Not complicatedWell you may think this is a fancy and conclusive rebuttal of what I was saying but there is nothing there that refutes what I said, that is that the smoke you inhale is what causes the cancer. Also I don't know why it matters that there are many kinds of different weeds or whatever - the same is true of tobacco

Did you miss the part where I said

Jadentopian Order wrote:1.) There are more ways to consume it.

Jadentopian Order wrote:Did you miss the part where I said

Okay cool but doesn't change what I said because most people smoke it and vaping it doesn't seem any healthier

Kongeriget Island wrote:Okay cool but doesn't change what I said because most people smoke it and vaping it doesn't seem any healthier

Okay so then just do what plenty of people do and eat edibles

Rateria

Kongeriget Island wrote:Okay cool but doesn't change what I said because most people smoke it and vaping it doesn't seem any healthier

Cost/Benefit Analysis:

Cost - ~$15, cancer apparently

Benefit - it’s cool

Benefit>>>

Highway Eighty-Eight

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Cigars are cool. Cigars are for real men (monocle, top hat, cane, pocket watch, suit, cape, handlebar mustache, probably white). Weed is for hippies like Jaden, vaping is for virgin losers, cigarettes are the inbred.

Have you ever tried a cigar? They're nothing special and you only smoke them if you a) are an old man or b) you're a posey and pretentious prick

Venomringo wrote:Cost/Benefit Analysis:

Cost - ~$15, cancer apparently

Benefit - it’s cool

Benefit>>>

Wait are you talking about weed or cigs?

Kongeriget Island wrote:Wait are you talking about weed or cigs?

Meth

Rateria

Venomringo wrote:Meth

You get to save on dental care as well

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:You get to save on dental care as well

It’s just a long term investment with high risk

Islands, Rateria

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Trump has made the history books as the first man to ever be impeached for presidenting while orange.

I wonder if the House can make Trump give back the $4 ($1 per year in office he did not want) that he is required to take as the minimum wage for President?

I think what the Administrative State (and the swamp creatures) hate the most is that Trump doesn't need them. He doesn't need them for his keep. He doesn't need them for his say. The worst for them I think is that not only does Trump not need their permission, he denies them their validity of their self-justification for their (own) existence. He makes it clear (no matter how inadvertent) that the Swamp needs drained, and how.

Pevvania, The New United States, Miri Islands

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Narland doesn't smoke, but if he did it would be the tires of a Ford GT (first or second gen) winding through the mountain roads in excessive speeds of lawfully good governance.

Pevvania

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I always wanted to try hookah

Venomringo

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The UK needs to be devolved into principalities based on medieval kingdoms. Kent, East Anglia, Wessex, Scotland, etc.

And the Magna Carta could be used as a basis for a constitution.

I agree on this, this seems a great idea.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297762352546316290/657078256067149825/image0.png

Are you threatening me master Representatives? I am the Senate. *does 720 spin from a standing position*

Rateria

How did they fit him into a peach

Islands, The New United States, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:I always wanted to try hookah

Go to a hookah bar, they hit hard

The chemicals that make cigarettes hyper-addictive and cause cancer aren't nicotine. Nicotine is addictive, but it's only as addictive as caffeine. If you vape or drink coffee all the time and then you don't, you'll get headaches and be irritated. It's not like someone who hasn't had a smoke.

Miencraft, Rateria, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:The chemicals that make cigarettes hyper-addictive and cause cancer aren't nicotine. Nicotine is addictive, but it's only as addictive as caffeine. If you vape or drink coffee all the time and then you don't, you'll get headaches and be irritated. It's not like someone who hasn't had a smoke.

Nicotine always seems more addictive, but probably because it’s seen as more ‘serious’.

I don't see how after the Clinton impeachment, Democrats don't see how impeaching a president, but not removing them, actually increases their popularity. Trimp especially, will wear it like a badge of honor.

Pevvania

Skaveria wrote:The chemicals that make cigarettes hyper-addictive and cause cancer aren't nicotine. Nicotine is addictive, but it's only as addictive as caffeine. If you vape or drink coffee all the time and then you don't, you'll get headaches and be irritated. It's not like someone who hasn't had a smoke.

Honestly I think smoking is better than vaping because when you vape you can do it pretty much anywhere, while with cigarettes you can't do it in class or in the bus or whatever, so it is easier to set limits, but yeah, one of the reason one might like cigarettes more than vaping is the ritual; the going outside, the lighting up of the cigarette, watching it burn, and the social aspect as well.

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Kongeriget Island wrote:Guys what causes cancer in cigarettes is that you're inhaling SMOKE; the same thing is happening when you SMOKE weed. Not complicatedWell you may think this is a fancy and conclusive rebuttal of what I was saying but there is nothing there that refutes what I said, that is that the smoke you inhale is what causes the cancer. Also I don't know why it matters that there are many kinds of different weeds or whatever - the same is true of tobacco

Yes, carcinogens cause cancer, but a steak or a burger on average has far more carcinogens than a joint. So unless you're consuming weed 24/7 you're pretty safe from cancer.

Miencraft, Rateria

For that matter, campfire fumes are carcinogenic. Time to ban camping, I suppose.

Jadentopian Order wrote:How did they fit him into a peach

A local cafe has "Trumped-up Im-Peach Pie" -- a slice of heated peach pie served a la mode (with two scoops of ice cream).

The New United States, Rateria

Drugs are bad, M'kay

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Kongeriget Island

Skaveria wrote:I don't see how after the Clinton impeachment, Democrats don't see how impeaching a president, but not removing them, actually increases their popularity. Trimp especially, will wear it like a badge of honor.

Trump will be rallying to his base, "I'm a Bazillionaire. If the corrupt politicians in the Swamp can impeach me over a perfect call, and just being me, think of what they will do to you. When its time to get you in their sights ... their crosshairs, it won't be good, I can tell you that." Trump Rallyers, "Drain that Swamp!!!...Drain that Swamp!!!...Drain that Swamp!!!" X 15 minutes. Unless he actually does something starkly malevolent (not merely societally obnoxious, insufferably braggadocious or unbureacratically iconoclastic), Trump has the 2020 election in the bag.

The New United States, Miri Islands

Dream debate: Trump, Gabbard, McAfee, some crazy Green, it doesn't matter which one

The New United States, Rateria

The duties of the President should be to Preside over Residents that require a President to Preside over such Residents as the Residents need a Presider whose responsibilities include Presiding

The New United States, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Drugs are bad, M'kay

Agreed so why exaclty make them legal?

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Me: dies from the shock that someone could not get the reference.

I’m not quite sure Iceland has television yet

Jadentopian Order wrote:I’m not quite sure Iceland has television yet

Well we do have it, but a a fun fact - since you mention it - is that until the late 80s, there was no TV in Iceland in July nor on Tuesdays

Rateria

So I've come to a realization; Capitalism will be unnecessary once the world is entirely automated and has eliminated scarcity. Once everyone has a food printer in their kitchen that converts oxygen to carbon food products and other such devices; our labor will be obsolete. At such point UBI makes complete sense.

Here's the problem; we aren't there yet, and the way we get there is through increased productivity and technological advancements brought about by competition. So yes, Capitalism will eventually Capitalism so hard that it turns into Communism, but it's not due to some moral problem with Capitalism. It'll simply work it's way out of a job as a philosophy. Capitalism creates resources, including resources that create resources, eventually we'll have so many resources that create resources that we'll have no need to get more resources.

Here's the bigger issue: This is common Marxist doctrine. They've always said that Communism can only exist in a post-scarcity environment, BUT THEY STILL WANT TO IMPLEMENT COMMUNISM NOW.

"Why has Communism never worked?"

"It can only work in a post-scarcity society."

"Do we live in a post-scarcity society now?"

"No"

"Do you still want to implement Communism KNOWING it can't work now?"

"..."

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Skaveria wrote:So I've come to a realization; Capitalism will be unnecessary once the world is entirely automated and has eliminated scarcity. Once everyone has a food printer in their kitchen that converts oxygen to carbon food products and other such devices; our labor will be obsolete. At such point UBI makes complete sense.

Here's the problem; we aren't there yet, and the way we get there is through increased productivity and technological advancements brought about by competition. So yes, Capitalism will eventually Capitalism so hard that it turns into Communism,

Yeah that’s exactly wh-

Skaveria wrote:This is common Marxist doctrine.

Beat me to it.

No but seriously, I think there’s at least some goods where you can make the argument that we’re past scarcity in. Just look at how much food we waste. The most common argument I’ve seen is that capitalism/markets are inefficient and allocate resources to the top.

Jadentopian Order wrote:Yeah that’s exactly wh-Beat me to it.

No but seriously, I think there’s at least some goods where you can make the argument that we’re past scarcity in. Just look at how much food we waste. The most common argument I’ve seen is that capitalism/markets are inefficient and allocate resources to the top.

A truly post-scarcity world would be one where every commodity can just be created out of thin air and requires no labor. The energy plants run themselves, carbon printers create all the food, the cars run on oxygen, literally everything is done permanently. At that point labor will be obsolete.

Even if one commodity is no longer scarce, it's still effected by the market of things that aren't scarce. Only when EVERYTHING is infinant will we have acheived post-scarcity.

Republic Of Minerva

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Alright commie

Ok boomer

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