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Region: Libertatem

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Miencraft wrote:Hmmm, it's almost as if the big lobbyists on the minimum wage issue are actually owners of massive corporations that can afford the hike and know that their competition can't.

Basically Arkansas and Walmart making sure everything that's not Walmart never lives.

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria

The current poll has quite the length to it

The New United States, Rateria

Smolcasm wrote:The first two words are an oxymoron, the last two words are a non sequitur, the first and last words together are a redundancy

I am in awe

He’s Balloon. His infinitely powerful ways are incomprehensible to all but him

The New United States, The States Of Balloon

Rateria wrote:He’s Balloon. His infinitely powerful ways are incomprehensible to all but him

Yes, to him and to Lord Roads, Master of All Libertatem (PBUH).

Rateria

The New United States wrote:Condescension and baseless assumptions don't result in productive dialogue.

Trust me, I normally would be down for actual discussion, but Lib does this type of stuff all the time and refuses to hear any sort of outside argument so I just F with him now.

The New United States, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Trust me, I normally would be down for actual discussion, but Lib does this type of stuff all the time and refuses to hear any sort of outside argument so I just F with him now.

odd attributes to look for in an Fing partner

The New United States, Rateria

Smolcasm wrote:odd attributes to look for in an Fing partner

Random question: Are you Condealism?

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

The New United States wrote:Random question: Are you Condealism?

I'm Smolcasm. My friends call me Kristen.

The New United States, Rateria

Ludwig Von Mises' 137th birthday was 3 days ago. Happy late birthday!

https://mises.org/wire/ludwig-von-mises-remembering-fountainhead-modern-libertarianism

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Lib has also denied the existence of the Jewish Nation that he has also called for the genocide of.

The New United States, Rateria

The New United States wrote:Random question: Are you Condealism?

It was on my mind, similar flag and mannerisms. RIP Condy, great dude.

Smolcasm wrote:I'm Smolcasm. My friends call me Kristen.

You're Condy Jr. Now

The New United States, Rateria

I don't think there is any benefit to having a multiracial/mixed society. It creates division (no, we aren't the same) and mixed race children also don't have a real sense of identity. And yes being Germanic/Celtic is a part of Icelandic identity, and that's simpy not up to debate. As for Wilhelm's slander he is not worth answering, but I'm actually going to, because unlike him when I debate I don't just throw insults and slander at someone. Me asking for the beheading of the Pope was before my conversion, when I was misguided and angry, as for me „supporting the murder of Muslim children for throwing snowballs“ that's so taken out of context it's not even funny, I was pissed because this seven year old refugee piece of shít threw a snowball at me while I was out walking, and I had snow on the inside of my jacket. I may have been a bit too pissed but I never called for „execution of Muslim children for throwing snowballs.“ The drowning of foreigners thing is also taken out of context, I said that if we tell foreigners to leave and they don't do it, we might as well throw them into the ocean and forget about them. Also, I have never called for the genocide of the „Jewish nation“ (who are of their father the devil) although they most certainly deserve it. And I think you can clearly see who's the one willing to debate here and who just wants to smear his opponent. As for the other things he mentioned („governing gang of ‚semites,‘“ hierarchial blah blah blah theocracy) I do support them and think they can be totally justified. Wilhelm, if you have nothing good to say, fúck off

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Me asking for the beheading of the Pope was before my conversion, when I was misguided and angry

You converted to Catholicism? From Protestantism, or what? Just curious.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:

Also, I have never called for the genocide of the „Jewish nation“ (who are of their father the devil) although they most certainly deserve it.

What? How could you justify that? What has the Jewish people done to merit being called "of the devil" and deserving of genocide?

Miencraft, Rateria

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:-snip-

You are by far the most radical person I've met in a while. Not trying to come-off as insinuating anything but what are your opinions on the alt-right? Second question (or perhaps should be the first xP) what would you say are the alt-right's core beliefs?

Miencraft, Rateria

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It creates division

[citation needed]

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:mixed race children also don't have a real sense of identity.

[citation needed]

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:unlike him when I debate I don't just throw insults and slander at someone

If you're actually Lib, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find that this is demonstrably false.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Me asking for the beheading of the Pope was before my conversion, when I was misguided and angry

I'm sure you're well aware that's not even remotely an excuse for advocating for literal murder.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:taken out of context

Every single time you say something was taken out of context, if we go back and look at when you said what you said, the thing that you said literally is the entire context. You don't even give context when you say things, you just say things. The stuff you say is the context.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I have never called for the genocide of the „Jewish nation“

Ok.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:although they most certainly deserve it.

Well, you have now.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:who are of their father the devil

[citation needed]

Additionally:

- Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew.

- The god worshiped by the Jews, Yahweh, is the same deity worshiped by Christians and Muslims. The holy trinity is a slightly different interpretation, but it's ultimately the same god. Therefore, Christians and Muslims are also of the devil if the Jewish god is actually the devil.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:And I think you can clearly see who's the one willing to debate here

Given your history in the discord, it's certainly not you and never has been you.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:and think they can be totally justified

We've been waiting more than a year for you to provide literally any evidence to back up your conspiracies and you've thus far failed to do so.

Rateria, Highway Eight

>pranksters re-word chapter of Hitler's "Mien Kampf"

>send it to peer-reviewed feminist journal

>they publish it

Good thing we're subsidizing higher education so heavily.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-bankruptcy-of-grievance-studies/

Rateria

Mods please just do your thing already

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Mods please just do your thing already

Regardless of how ridiculous it is, I don't advocate censorship and you shouldn't either.

The New United States, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:It was on my mind, similar flag and mannerisms. RIP Condy, great dude.

You're Condy Jr. Now

Ah. If this Condealism was a dude, then I already know one thing that's different between him and I.

Skaveria wrote:Regardless of how ridiculous it is, I don't advocate censorship and you shouldn't either.

It's beyond ridiculous, but as a self-proclaimed political satirist, I agree that ridiculousness alone isn't enough of a justification to shut somebody up.

The New United States, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Regardless of how ridiculous it is, I don't advocate censorship and you shouldn't either.

Just joking of course.

Smolcasm wrote:Ah. If this Condealism was a dude, then I already know one thing that's different between him and I.

Condy was so cool that he transcended gender. Literally though, he was ace.

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Condy was so cool that he transcended gender. Literally though, he was ace.

Isn't asexual a sexual orientation? That's not quite the same thing as a gender. (Or agender, come to think of it.)

For me, though, who I am and who I like is the same: girls. Girls are great. I like girls. Have you seen girls? Girls.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:[citation needed]

[citation needed]

If you're actually Lib, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find that this is demonstrably false.

I'm sure you're well aware that's not even remotely an excuse for advocating for literal murder.

Every single time you say something was taken out of context, if we go back and look at when you said what you said, the thing that you said literally is the entire context. You don't even give context when you say things, you just say things. The stuff you say is the context.

Ok.

Well, you have now.

[citation needed]

Additionally:

- Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew.

- The god worshiped by the Jews, Yahweh, is the same deity worshiped by Christians and Muslims. The holy trinity is a slightly different interpretation, but it's ultimately the same god. Therefore, Christians and Muslims are also of the devil if the Jewish god is actually the devil.

Given your history in the discord, it's certainly not you and never has been you.

We've been waiting more than a year for you to provide literally any evidence to back up your conspiracies and you've thus far failed to do so.

Most likely discord response:

"Blocked"

Second most likely discord response:

"Shut up, Jew."

Seriously, I love it when Lib tries to paint himself as someone who is persecuted. We let him say his offensive stuff, we let him be rude to basically the entire community, and the second anyone confronts him or makes a joke he blows up.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Highway Eight wrote:Most likely discord response:

"Blocked"

Second most likely discord response:

"Shut up, Jew."

Seriously, I love it when Lib tries to paint himself as someone who is persecuted. We let him say his offensive stuff, we let him be rude to basically the entire community, and the second anyone confronts him or makes a joke he blows up.

blocked

shut up jew

Miencraft, Rateria

The New United States wrote:Unrelated:

"Amazon is boosting its minimum wage for all U.S. workers to $15 per hour starting next month and said it will push for an increase in the federally mandated minimum wage, which now stands at $7.25 per hour."

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900034656/amazon-ups-wages-for-350k-says-it-will-advocate-better-pay.html

Terrible news. Bezos has to know the negative effects of the minimum wage. I guess it'll hurt his competition, though. :/

Exactly. If I recall correctly, I believe Walmart has lobbied for minimum wage increases in the past. Regulation is a great tool for large corporations to damage their competitors.

The New United States, Rateria

Highway Eight wrote:You clearly don't know Lib (aka, the racist). He's not the type of person who wants discussion. He's called for the beheading of the pope, expressed support for the murder of muslim children for throwing snowballs, supported the drowning foreigners, has called Holocaust survivors liars, supports the genocide of the Jewish nation, wants a hierarchal totalitarian hereditary theocracy in which all the "others" are eliminated, refuses to debate, and blames everything on a secret world governing gang of semites.

He does need to reevaluate his life choices, and the question has merit.

hello epic department?

The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

>tfw the people at the local Chick Fil-A already know your order every time you come in

Chick Fil-A is one of the great miracles of the capitalist system.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

The New United States wrote:>tfw the people at the local Chick Fil-A already know your order every time you come in

Chick Fil-A is one of the great miracles of the capitalist system.

*screeches in progressive* "BUT THEY HATE THE GAYS!"

The New United States, Rateria

The New United States wrote:>tfw the people at the local Chick Fil-A already know your order every time you come in

Chick Fil-A is one of the great miracles of the capitalist system.

*screeches in progressive* "BUT THEY HATE THE GAYS!"

The New United States

The New United States wrote:>tfw the people at the local Chick Fil-A already know your order every time you come in

Chick Fil-A is one of the great miracles of the capitalist system.

There's this local deli that I go to once a week, and occasionally I'll get two sandwiches instead of just the one, so whenever I walk in the guy behind the counter just asks how many I want.

It's nice.

Narland, The New United States, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:*screeches in progressive* "BUT THEY HATE THE GAYS!"

The fact that Chick Fil-A is a trigger for radical-lefties only makes it even better. *eats waffle fry*

Miencraft, Rateria

I don't quite understand why but seeing Communist regions decline an embassy with us is somewhat funny to me.

Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Rateria

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:I don't quite understand why but seeing Communist regions decline an embassy with us is somewhat funny to me.

It shows how willing to have peaceful discourse they are. They can't even open embassies with a (now) peaceful region that doesn't subscribe to their dogma.

Goodness knows that they would swiftly terrorize our region if our defenses fell. There's no negotiating with those folks.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

The New United States wrote:It shows how willing to have peaceful discourse they are. They can't even open embassies with a (now) peaceful region that doesn't subscribe to their dogma.

Goodness knows that they would swiftly terrorize our region if our defenses fell. There's no negotiating with those folks.

Some Rules for Dealing with Statists:

1. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

2. Keep well defined boundaries.

3. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

4. Speak softly, firmly, and carry a bigger stick.

5. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

6. Effectually demonstrate that no means no.

7. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

8. Count your fingers after a handshake.

9. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

10. Stay clear with beneficent neglect as they self-destruct.

11. Proclaim the blessings of liberty.

12. Having lead by example, be prepared to properly tutor when they look for a better way.

and

13. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Who's a man gotta kill to get his citizenship back? It's been so long that I'm not even on the list of former citizens. lol

The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria

The New United States wrote:Who's a man gotta kill to get his citizenship back? It's been so long that I'm not even on the list of former citizens. lol

same

The New United States, Rateria

Smolcasm wrote:Isn't asexual a sexual orientation? That's not quite the same thing as a gender. (Or agender, come to think of it.)

For me, though, who I am and who I like is the same: girls. Girls are great. I like girls. Have you seen girls? Girls.

Yes but I like to imagine that he didn't have any sort of male or female qualities, he was just Condy. Don't we all love girls?

Pevvania wrote:hello epic department?

I'd like to file a claim.

Rateria

The New United States wrote:>tfw the people at the local Chick Fil-A already know your order every time you come in

Chick Fil-A is one of the great miracles of the capitalist system.

Skaveria wrote:*screeches in progressive* "BUT THEY HATE THE GAYS!"

I absolutely 100% completely abhor Chick-Fil-a's views on gays...

...yeah I eat there pretty much weekly.

Miencraft, Rateria

They have a deal with my community college so I get the benefit of their godly chicken without having to suffer their godly attitude.

Rateria

Narland wrote:Some Rules for Dealing with Statists:

1. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

2. Keep well defined boundaries.

3. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

4. Speak softly, firmly, and carry a bigger stick.

5. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

6. Effectually demonstrate that no means no.

7. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

8. Count your fingers after a handshake.

9. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

10. Stay clear with beneficent neglect as they self-destruct.

11. Proclaim the blessings of liberty.

12. Having lead by example, be prepared to properly tutor when they look for a better way.

and

13. Proclaim the blessings of Liberty

*George Washington in Civ*

"I trust you are a friend to liberty?"

Narland, Rateria

We want to reconcile our differences, O leftist regions that reject us!

Jadentopian Order wrote:Don't we all love girls?

yeet

Rateria

Finally put in my info to volunteer for my local Libertarian party.

Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Republic Of Minerva wrote:We want to reconcile our differences, O leftist regions that reject us!

What ever happened to the good old days of resisting the commies by force?

Smolcasm wrote:Ah. If this Condealism was a dude, then I already know one thing that's different between him and I.

Hi! Few things to start off with =] 1. Yes I added you because you're a female gamer, 'tis an awesome thing to see! 2. I'm Brian. 3. Don't be intimidated, but I'm not a stereotypical guy. If anything, I'll be the one in the kitchen =D.

The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Highway Eight removed the tag 'Anti-Communist'.

Why would we remove the anti-communist tag? Anti-communism has always been central to our region's identity. Abandoning our raison d'être has done our region far more harm than good.

Pevvania, Narland

I agree that communism on our own shores is something to despise and prevent, however is it not somewhat hypocritical to deny other the liberty of enacting an economic system that's bound to fail. Part of freedom is the freedom of failure.

Narland

Dissolving the Republic was an enormous mistake.

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Dissolving the Republic was an enormous mistake.

Okay. Why not make a new one?

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Dissolving the Republic was an enormous mistake.

Unfortunately, we had too few people active to run it. The Senate has about two or three active members, with me included. I’d like to know why you believe that dissolving the Republic was a bad idea.

Miencraft

Most people in the Libertatem community agreed with dissolving the government and moving off of Nationstates. Technically, the Discord has control over the affairs of the region.

Since most of our active members are no longer on NS, or rarely log into their nations, it made sense to move away from Nationstates. It was uneconomic to remain a Nationstates region with a discord, and so we became an online community based on discord that just happens to own a region.

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Pevvania wrote:Hi! Few things to start off with =] 1. Yes I added you because you're a female gamer, 'tis an awesome thing to see! 2. I'm Brian. 3. Don't be intimidated, but I'm not a stereotypical guy. If anything, I'll be the one in the kitchen =D.

Proceeds to become a stereotypical gamer-guy lel

Rateria

West Smolcasm wrote:Okay. Why not make a new one?

That's not a bad idea.

Listen, a region cannot thrive on Discord alone. We need a government and we need in-game activity to stay alive.

Our regional population currently stands at just 51 nations (a fraction of our population when we were fighting the War on Communism). That 51 is [I]after[/I] the yearly summer population boom. As the fall advances and spring comes around, we will without a doubt lose a sizable portion of our population. We're currently on a one-way to the regional graveyard and we need to reverse course.

The first step in preserving this region is to reinstate the constitution and form a working government.

Pevvania, West Smolcasm

The New United States wrote:That's not a bad idea.

Listen, a region cannot thrive on Discord alone. We need a government and we need in-game activity to stay alive.

Our regional population currently stands at just 51 nations (a fraction of our population when we were fighting the War on Communism). That 51 is [I]after[/I] the yearly summer population boom. As the fall advances and spring comes around, we will without a doubt lose a sizable portion of our population. We're currently on a one-way to the regional graveyard and we need to reverse course.

The first step in preserving this region is to reinstate the constitution and form a working government.

West Smolcasm wrote:Okay. Why not make a new one?

Pevvania wrote:Dissolving the Republic was an enormous mistake.

We had like 4 active members that basically ran the entire govt for months. Trust me, we tried. Recruitment is near-impossible and the game is literally dying. No one cares about the region on NS anymore because discord is 100x better and easier to stay active on. Discord is how we've survived so long.

Miencraft, Rateria

The New United States wrote:and form a working government.

Here's the first problem:

That's impossible.

Literally, it's not possible at all. We don't have the activity to have a functional government. That's why it was dissolved in the first place. That's why I wrote in the provision for abandoning the government, because when that amendment was being written we were already in a decline that I knew we'd eventually be unable to recover from - apparently nobody had any objections to that and not only did we get that amendment passed, but we also made use of the provision to destroy the government.

We can't build a government and hope that having it gets us more people - we need more people for the government to work.

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:We had like 4 active members that basically ran the entire govt for months. Trust me, we tried. Recruitment is near-impossible and the game is literally dying. No one cares about the region on NS anymore because discord is 100x better and easier to stay active on. Discord is how we've survived so long.

Of course we weren't recruiting, and of course our region was dying. We abdicated our place at the head of the NS conservative/libertarian world and devolved into crapposting and do-nothingism.

Before I had to go inactive and CTE, when were at the height of the war, our recruitment efforts were extremely successful and we were undoubtedly the most powerful pro-liberty region in the game. We are now a shell of our former greatness, and it is in large part because we surrendered to the commies, resigned to become just another insignificant region, and ceded the conservative/libertarian market to regions that actually do crap (FCN and its splinters, for example).

West Smolcasm

Miencraft wrote:Here's the first problem:

That's impossible.

Literally, it's not possible at all. We don't have the activity to have a functional government. That's why it was dissolved in the first place. That's why I wrote in the provision for abandoning the government, because when that amendment was being written we were already in a decline that I knew we'd eventually be unable to recover from - apparently nobody had any objections to that and not only did we get that amendment passed, but we also made use of the provision to destroy the government.

We can't build a government and hope that having it gets us more people - we need more people for the government to work.

Even the greatest (UCR) regions start with only a few people. It's the nature of the game. They only become great because they actually organize and put in the work.

Regional recovery is entirely possible, but it most certainly won't happen with that kind of indifference or by crapposting on Discord.

West Smolcasm

The New United States wrote:Of course we weren't recruiting

Well, yeah, because it stopped working.

The New United States wrote:Regional recovery is entirely possible

No, I'm pretty sure at this point it's not. We tried, it failed, we're done.

Rateria

Honestly I'm not really involved here anymore, but I would be sad to see this region die completely

The New United States, Rateria, West Smolcasm

Miencraft wrote:Well, yeah, because it stopped working.

I bet it did. Who would want to join a region of directionless layabouts that surrendered to every enemy they ever had?

Miencraft wrote:No, I'm pretty sure at this point it's not. We tried, it failed, we're done.

BS. We're doing poorly because we've lied down like dying animals. If we get up and actually give a crap, then this region will have new life sooner or later.

West Smolcasm

I agree with actively trying to get this region up and going again. I'd hate to see it die off, this is the first and only libertarian region I've been in, I pretty much went from 10000 islands straight to here. This region is my home and I'm willing to do somthing to protect it.

The New United States, West Smolcasm

Jadentopian Order wrote:We had like 4 active members that basically ran the entire govt for months. Trust me, we tried. Recruitment is near-impossible and the game is literally dying. No one cares about the region on NS anymore because discord is 100x better and easier to stay active on. Discord is how we've survived so long.

Perhaps we only need four at any one time.

This region represents libertarianism or somesuch, right? In that case, why even have a whole bunch of government positions or an otherwise bloated bureaucracy? Looks to me like a simple minarchic republic would be the answer to people's prayers.

The New United States, American Militamen

West Smolcasm wrote:Perhaps we only need four at any one time.

This region represents libertarianism or somesuch, right? In that case, why even have a whole bunch of government positions or an otherwise bloated bureaucracy? Looks to me like a simple minarchic republic would be the answer to people's prayers.

hear hear, the smaller the governance the less chance of them trying to control us

West Smolcasm

There should be a poll to determine the future of the region.

West Smolcasm, American Militamen

West Smolcasm wrote:Perhaps we only need four at any one time.

This region represents libertarianism or somesuch, right? In that case, why even have a whole bunch of government positions or an otherwise bloated bureaucracy? Looks to me like a simple minarchic republic would be the answer to people's prayers.

The top dogs in government are statocrats and love writing inane laws.

Not unlike real life...

This region won't die if I have anything to say about it. Last thing I want to see is a North Korean flag as this region's avatar.

Einsiev, Rateria, American Militamen

Republic Of Minerva wrote:This region won't die if I have anything to say about it. Last thing I want to see is a North Korean flag as this region's avatar.

Yuck, agreed.

Rateria

The New United States wrote:BS. We're doing poorly because we've lied down like dying animals. If we get up and actually give a crap, then this region will have new life sooner or later.

You're talking to the dude who was head of recruitment for this region and the IRU for a combined like 2 years.

Recruitment was easy back when the game was thriving, but right now it is absolutely not. We were able to boost the IRU to a new high population in like 2015 I think, but when I took over the recruitment efforts for this region, I quickly found that it straight up doesn't work anymore. I got a total of like 4 nations out of thousands and thousands of telegrams sent.

Miencraft, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:You're talking to the dude who was head of recruitment for this region and the IRU for a combined like 2 years.

Recruitment was easy back when the game was thriving, but right now it is absolutely not. We were able to boost the IRU to a new high population in like 2015 I think, but when I took over the recruitment efforts for this region, I quickly found that it straight up doesn't work anymore. I got a total of like 4 nations out of thousands and thousands of telegrams sent.

I’m with Jaden on this. We even tried to revive our military, but very few personnel were active. We couldn’t have a War on Communism without soldiers.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva

There's nothing stopping you from raiding. It won't be much success though, since raiding and the game are dying.

As it stands, the region is under the control of the discord, and Tatemites on the discord are considered equal to those on NS. Nationstates is not a good central platform for a community that doesn't even want to be on NS.

Guys just make me king already...

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Guys just make me king already...

Sic semper tyrannis /s

Rateria

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Guys just make me king already...

Wanna hear a joke?

Iceland is relevant.

Miencraft, Rateria, American Militamen

Highway Eight wrote:There's nothing stopping you from raiding. It won't be much success though, since raiding and the game are dying.

As it stands, the region is under the control of the discord, and Tatemites on the discord are considered equal to those on NS. Nationstates is not a good central platform for a community that doesn't even want to be on NS.

Then that community should make way for a community that does.

The New United States

There seems to be a lot of new voices in the region and some older ones as well that have opinions on a new direction for Libertatem. I again suggest a vote via poll be done to determine our course of action. Any suggestions for what should be on the poll? Just quote me and write it.

this latent state of anarchy is far more of my style than any of the past governments (including mine)

West Smolcasm wrote:Then that community should make way for a community that does.

I mean, y'all are free to set up whatever government you want over here.

It just ain't gonna be related to what's going on in the discord.

Rateria

West Smolcasm wrote:Perhaps we only need four at any one time.

This region represents libertarianism or somesuch, right? In that case, why even have a whole bunch of government positions or an otherwise bloated bureaucracy? Looks to me like a simple minarchic republic would be the answer to people's prayers.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The top dogs in government are statocrats and love writing inane laws.

Not unlike real life...

Skaveria wrote:There seems to be a lot of new voices in the region and some older ones as well that have opinions on a new direction for Libertatem. I again suggest a vote via poll be done to determine our course of action. Any suggestions for what should be on the poll? Just quote me and write it.

I agree with the sentiment that we don't need much bureaucracy or too many government functions - especially given how small our community is.

Perhaps we could rework the old constitution to provide just for the executive (powers + elections), diplomacy, and military. I think that having a government limited to those three things would be the best place to start.

Skaveria

The New United States wrote:I agree with the sentiment that we don't need much bureaucracy or too many government functions - especially given how small our community is.

Perhaps we could rework the old constitution to provide just for the executive (powers + elections), diplomacy, and military. I think that having a government limited to those three things would be the best place to start.

Sounds good. It is, after all, a libertarian philosophy to establish a state solely to accomplish whatever a less organized populace cannot - and that primarily involves interactions with other governments.

The New United States, Skaveria

Highway Eight wrote:Wanna hear a joke?

Iceland is relevant.

Wanna hear something serious? America is a satanic country. I would take irrelevancy every fúcking day

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:America is a satanic country.

[citation needed]

The New United States, Rateria, West Smolcasm

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Wanna hear something serious? America is a satanic country. I would take irrelevancy every fúcking day

An entire country and it's population is satanic? thats metal asf I'd rather that than be irrelevant and inbred

Miencraft, Rateria, West Smolcasm

What if Satan is a pagan invention that was simply pasted on top of a Jewish concept during the Babylonian captivity?

I think that the Samaritans would agree, considering they were those Jews who didn't take on Babylonian and Zoroastrian theology, and thus have no concept of duality.

Miencraft, Rateria, West Smolcasm

America is literally the most Christian country in the world.

The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, West Smolcasm

Vatican City

Rateria

Highway Eight wrote:Vatican City

It doesn't count as Christianity if you worship some weird dude in a pointy hat and shiny robes.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:America is literally the most Christian country in the world.

God bless America.

The United States Of Patriots

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Wanna hear something serious? America is a satanic country. I would take irrelevancy every fúcking day

Hale satin

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

I'm not even a Christian, but I'm glad I live in a country based on Judeo-Christian values. They seem to work best for keeping a society sane. Muslim values suck, Hinduism sucks, Buddhism seems chill, but couldn't defend itself against Communism, and a society based on atheism seems to become totalitarian.

Miencraft, The New United States, The United States Of Patriots

Skaveria wrote:I'm not even a Christian, but I'm glad I live in a country based on Judeo-Christian values. They seem to work best for keeping a society sane. Muslim values suck, Hinduism sucks, Buddhism seems chill, but couldn't defend itself against Communism, and a society based on atheism seems to become totalitarian.

I'd prefer if those values weren't perverted by what seems to be an America-exclusive level of Biblical literalism with a heaping helping of homophobia, but none of mankind's creations are perfect.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

West Smolcasm wrote:I'd prefer if those values weren't perverted by what seems to be an America-exclusive level of Biblical literalism with a heaping helping of homophobia, but none of mankind's creations are perfect.

The worst is when it's hatred cloaked as so-called "family values" which are just thinly veiled excuses to be ignorant and spiteful. I seriously cannnot understand for the life of me why some people can't just accept other people for who they are. Don't like someone's lifestyle? Great, don't associate yourself with them then. Is it that hard to just put aside your differences with other people and get along for like 5 minutes?

Rateria, West Smolcasm

West Smolcasm wrote:I'd prefer if those values weren't perverted by what seems to be an America-exclusive level of Biblical literalism with a heaping helping of homophobia, but none of mankind's creations are perfect.

Christianity is very bipolar in that, when taken figuratively, it's one of the greatest foundations to build a society almost equal to Grecco-Roman ideas of logos worship, but when taken literally is the most dangerous doctrine on the planet that calls for genocide and slavery.

Rateria, West Smolcasm

Skaveria wrote:but when taken literally is the most dangerous doctrine on the planet that calls for genocide and slavery.

This really can apply to organized religion in general.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order, West Smolcasm

Skaveria wrote:Christianity is very bipolar in that, when taken figuratively, it's one of the greatest foundations to build a society almost equal to Grecco-Roman ideas of logos worship, but when taken literally is the most dangerous doctrine on the planet that calls for genocide and slavery.

What? How could you possibly find a "call for genocide and slavery" in Christian doctrine?

Jadentopian Order wrote:The worst is when it's hatred cloaked as so-called "family values" which are just thinly veiled excuses to be ignorant and spiteful. I seriously cannnot understand for the life of me why some people can't just accept other people for who they are. Don't like someone's lifestyle? Great, don't associate yourself with them then. Is it that hard to just put aside your differences with other people and get along for like 5 minutes?

I think that you're mostly constructing a straw-man here. As a conservative Latter-day Saint from the deep south that was raised in a conservative Evangelical family, I've never seen such hatred. And I have gay family. You can simultaneously love someone and be their friend while not approving of their lifestyle. My sense is that there are a whole lot of people that try to balance traditional morality (which cannot be compromised) with love and charity for those that do not hold the same morals.

Christian morality is not an "excuse to be ignorant and spiteful." It's an article of faith that has only recently been brought into question.

The New United States wrote:As a conservative Mormon from the deep south that was raised in a conservative Evangelical family, I've never seen such hatred. And I have gay family.

And for every person with such a background, there's at least one more person with a similar one - except they either don't know or claim not to know anyone who's gay or trans or what have you, and thus feel secure in their ignorance. These people, I find, have disproportionately high representation in their respective communities and constituencies.

Don't get me wrong - plenty of Christians the nation over have taken Christ's message of love for God and others to heart; I try to be one. It's just that there are also many who see this religion as a gospel of prosperity and accumulating wealth; an exclusive club for the privileged, preachy, or prejudiced; and/or a political identity that allows one to speak against bodily autonomy with complete impunity - and their voice tends to be the loudest in the room at any one time, for it was theirs that propelled an advantaged, social-conservative-friendly businessman to the most powerful office in the free world (as indicated by exit polls).

Regardless of your religious views or mine, it seems the church will have to contend with a significant subset of American members praying at the altar of money, regressive values, and other such idolatry.

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:The worst is when it's hatred cloaked as so-called "family values" which are just thinly veiled excuses to be ignorant and spiteful. I seriously cannnot understand for the life of me why some people can't just accept other people for who they are. Don't like someone's lifestyle? Great, don't associate yourself with them then. Is it that hard to just put aside your differences with other people and get along for like 5 minutes?

I know this is anecdotal but I truly don't know anyone who is animated by the hatred of gays. In fact I don't know anyone who hates gay people. Just because someone does something you don't believe is the right thing to do doesn't mean that you can't be friends with them, love them, and care for them. I have family who are Trans, and I have dear friends who are gay. I would think that this is more common than not.

Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

No matter the cause, any organization that has more than two mere humans has got problems.

Skaveria wrote:Christianity is very bipolar in that, when taken figuratively, it's one of the greatest foundations to build a society almost equal to Grecco-Roman ideas of logos worship, but when taken literally is the most dangerous doctrine on the planet that calls for genocide and slavery.
I disagree on the literal part. The historical case is quite the contrary. It is when the Bible is allegorized to eisegetical pliability (i.e., taken so loosely as to mean anything other than what it plainly says) that many unchristian acts have been done falsely in the name of Christ.

Groups that have taken the Bible literally (plainly) with proper exegesis (taking the text for what it plainly says as that part of literature to which it belongs as the starting point for systematic cohesion) have the best track record for liberty, freedom, and establishing justice. Our Founding Fathers were mostly Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Anglicans etc (Mainline Denominations) which very strictly translated and adhered to Literal Interpretation of the Bible. This is in contradistinction to the Allegorical Interpretation method used by the Roman Catholicism of that time.

This is not to be conflated with the Bertrand Russell "appeal to ridicule" straw-man argument of literalism, which is to be rejected.

Do you take a stop sign literally? Really, you are so stupid that you just stop there and never go again?

So you reject the literal meaning of the stop sign? Really, you are so stupid that you just plow through it without heed to the safety of others?

Literal Interpretation School has nothing to do with taking the entirety of the Bible in such a wooden literal method that stupidity reigns over meaning, except in the minds of those desire to illegitimately discredit Christianity with fallacious arguments. The literal method takes the Bible at face value interpreting the text as plainly as possible within the context of its literary category. Proverbs are taken to be proverbs, narratives as narratives, history as history, covenants as covenants, parables as parables etc.

The Allegorical School of Interpretation tries to find a spiritual or hidden meaning behind every text, even when the text may be just a genealogical list, or the hidden meaning may blatantly contradict what the text plainly states. This is reckless. However, there are many great theologians today and historically (usually because they are well grounded in sound doctrine and reasonable dogmatics) that belong to the Allegorical School.

Pevvania, The New United States

Narland wrote:-snip-

By Biblicial literalism, we are referring to a phenomenon especially common in the United States: the belief that any passage from the Bible not explicitly stated to be a parable or metaphor, regardless of context, is literally true, unambiguous in meaning, and absolutely inerrant.

West Smolcasm wrote:By Biblicial literalism, we are referring to a phenomenon especially common in the United States: the belief that any passage from the Bible not explicitly stated to be a parable or metaphor, regardless of context, is literally true, unambiguous in meaning, and absolutely inerrant.

Yes, this is exactly to what I was referring in the post: this is not to be conflated with the straw man appeal to ridicule, which is utterly disingenuous. Those who believe the Bible to be literally true do so in the sense which I explained. This is the starting point for systematic exegesis that lets the Bible plainly speak for itself instead of making it mean something other (than what it plainly says) as an excuse for charlatans and petty tyrants to do whatever one wants in violence to the teaching of Christ. This historically has been most all Evangelical denominations until the rise of Socialist infiltration in the form of "liberalism" in the early 1900s which is another topic altogether.

Every group consisting in the magnitude of billions (or in the US 100s of millions) one is going to find useful idiots (just as with any large group) but these are the exception not the rule. 2000 years of theology within the Christian Church no theological seminaries are such wooden literalists in the Bertrand Russell caricature that they would be taken seriously let alone last long. After all the Bible reads that Judas went out and hanged himself, and not far away it reads, "Go thou and do likewise." If they hadn't died at an early age of their own willful ignorance, they most certainly all would have died of suffocation from neck-laced rope burn after a cursory reading.

But the statement stands: Groups that have taken the Bible literally (plainly) with proper exegesis (taking the text for what it plainly says as that part of literature to which it belongs as the starting point for systematic cohesion) have the best track record for liberty, freedom, and establishing justice.

Narland wrote:But the statement stands: Groups that have taken the Bible literally (plainly) with proper exegesis (taking the text for what it plainly says as that part of literature to which it belongs as the starting point for systematic cohesion) have the best track record for liberty, freedom, and establishing justice.

That may be so, but the "useful idiots" you speak of comprise a disturbingly large portion of American Christendom; I would go so far as to call them the rule, not the exception, in the context of religious beliefs in the United States.

The evident answer for why someone would believe that the Bible is expressly literal - that is, in the improper sense - is that they either haven't read it closely enough to notice the contradictions (or in some cases, at all), or simply don't accept that there are contradictions in how they choose to read it. Predatory institutions under the guise of churches have convinced their attendees that the scriptures they cite in their preaching are incontrovertibly true - even in the absence of context - because the Bible is incontrovertibly true (because the Bible says the Bible is incontrovertibly true, and so on). Indeed, this is how the positions of the "Christian" right - for example, that the Bible claims abortion to be immoral when, in fact, the good book addresses it precisely once (to explain how to induce it) - are imprinted upon its advocates.

Miencraft wrote:It doesn't count as Christianity if you worship some weird dude in a pointy hat and shiny robes.

Which no one does

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