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Your words are wisely chosen.

Indeed, the nature of corruption should be discussed at length at a later time.

Humpheria, settle down. Debate is a healthy and intellectually stimulating component of any conversation, and in this case, it's beneficial. I have very vigorous political debates with my radically centrist college politics classmate, sometimes erupting into as hominems. But we're still friends, because debate is good.

What elapsed here was nothing close to the tear-ups I've seen, online and off. Feel free to express whatever opinion you choose, just expect to be challenged on it.

It seems we've reached a consensus. I'll put VETO to vote tomorrow, 75% override minimum included.

The Time Alliance wrote:I'm so libertarian I call corruption at the slightest action.

Communism belief in Common Ownership is not describing land. It is describing wealth and power.

Land is owned by all. All are free to use it in accordance to their needs.

So if some hobos decided to squat and sit in my house, raid my fridge, etc, I can't do anything about it?

...... Your point is taken and received.

Pev- I said that I was alright, now let's just drop it. I have no doubt you have debates with many centrists with your personality. But, I don't think that was a debate, simply a request taken farther than intended.

I was saying that he would clash with centrists a lot.

The Time Alliance wrote:Is Pev centrist.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Well. I know he clashes with centrists a lot. You all do everyday now.

Humpheria wrote:I was saying that he would clash with centrists a lot.

My politics class is generally centre-right, but I'm finding that this is the case. There are many so-called 'pragmatists' who denounce my beliefs as sheer ideological lunacy, and aggressively maintain status quo positions. Right now I'm trying to open the minds of others.

Centrism explained: http://cdn.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/centrist.jpg

Yeah. No. Centrism is not associating with either wing but instead participating in the practice of Politicking or Finding Particle solutions to current problems.

Centrism is kind of like letting other people think for you and then adding or subtracting what you don't like

I bookmarked this forever ago on my phone.. lol

Critique on centrism: http://m.theweek.com/article.php?id=253034

No. Centrism is a political outlook or specific position that involves acceptance or support of a balance of a degree of social equality and a degree of social hierarchy orsocial inequality; whilst opposing political changes which would result in a significant shift of society either strongly to the left or the right. Centre left and centre right politics both involve a general association with centrism combined while leaning somewhat to their respective sides of the spectrum

Pevvania wrote:My politics class is generally centre-right, but I'm finding that this is the case. There are many so-called 'pragmatists' who denounce my beliefs as sheer ideological lunacy, and aggressively maintain status quo positions. Right now I'm trying to open the minds of others.

Foreign spellings are just so weird to me, like centre for center. Or colour or armour. So foreign. Much strange.

Congrats to David Jolly on winning the Florida 13th. Honestly, I liked him better than the Libertarian.

Humpheria wrote:Congrats to David Jolly on winning the Florida 13th. Honestly, I liked him better than the Libertarian.

Dang it......I was going Libertarian there.

Pevvania wrote:My politics class is generally centre-right, but I'm finding that this is the case. There are many so-called 'pragmatists' who denounce my beliefs as sheer ideological lunacy, and aggressively maintain status quo positions. Right now I'm trying to open the minds of others.

I'm a Moderate (Economically), Progressive (Socially) Social Democrat.

Or Left-Centre

If you guys want to see any good libertarian comics, anything by Ben Garrison is good.

(Although his chem trails conspiracy is a little whacky, in my mind, although he is spot on about everything)

Just be careful as some anti-semites and racists have hijacked his comics.

Down with your FASCIST REGION! You will pay for your war crimes!

Chernaras wrote:Down with your FASCIST REGION! You will pay for your war crimes!

....I like this guy. Hahaha.

Another idiotic State Socialist.

Chernaras wrote:Down with your FASCIST REGION! You will pay for your war crimes!

Fascism: An ideology that supports Keynesian economics, social authoritarianism, and a strong state that dictates the rule of law.

Libertatem supports none of these. Try again.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Fascism: An ideology that supports Keynesian economics, social authoritarianism, and a strong state that dictates the rule of law.

Libertatem supports none of these. Try again.

Thankfully. Idiotic State Socialist. Doesn't even know what Communism is probably.

37 minutes ago: Libertatem was nominated for a World Assembly Condemnation by The Socialist Republic of Chermania

Ima read this.

The Time Alliance wrote:37 minutes ago: Libertatem was nominated for a World Assembly Condemnation by The Socialist Republic of Chermania

Ima read this.

Post it here, please!

Description: RECOGNISING Libertatem, a formally peaceful Libertarian region that promoted Pacifism previously;

NOTING that recently Communist Beach, a peaceful communist region, was invaded on March 11th, 2014 at 11AM EST;

-This is true.

UNDERSTANDING that a formally peaceful neutral region accepting all ideologies has turned into an Anti-communist, Fascist region of non-pacifist nations and peoples waging war against many regions, with Communist Beach being the most recent example;

-I'm very Pacifist mind you. And we aren't fascists. The rest though is true.

AWARE that Libertatem poses a threat to the many smaller regions on nationstates and many people. Also aware that Communist Beach was a peaceful region invaded by a group of Libertarian Hypocrites;

-I'm aware of this as well. We pose to large of a threat as we attack anyone and everyone.

SHOCKED that such a peaceful neutral region has turned into a Fascist war-mongering menace to the world with it's war on communism and hatred towards pacifist communist regions.

-Again 1/2 true. Not Fascist. Warmongering? Yeah.

Also shocked that the War on Communism is focussed on rooting out totalitarianism, when several communist regions exercise great civil and political rights, much like former Yugoslavia.

-Agreed. They do in all honesty. I've been in a few. Never won though. I was too Right -Wing...

HEREBY condemn's Libertatem for their hateful acts of aggression, fascist movements against pacifist regions, and war on communist and socialist ideology.

--We can't really argue this here......

Bold is my commentary.

It's a terrible bill and will probably be thrown out.

Plus, we never promoted pacifism. This regions is for neolibertarians and neoconservatives, primarily.

Somebody has been smoking the fascist bong way to much.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:It's a terrible bill and will probably be thrown out.

Plus, we never promoted pacifism. This regions is for neolibertarians and neoconservatives, primarily.

Somebody has been smoking the fascist bong way to much.

No. You are Libertarians. Most of NS despises you. I won't be surprised if it gets in. If it does get in though....I don't know which way to vote.

They are right. I'm pleading. Pull out of Communist Beach. Now.

The Time Alliance wrote:They are right. I'm pleading. Pull out of Communist Beach. Now.

I'll think about it.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'll think about it.

Well think hard. What we are doing isn't liberation. It is Imperialism and I won't stand for any imperialism.

The Time Alliance wrote:Description: RECOGNISING Libertatem, a formally peaceful Libertarian region that promoted Pacifism previously;

NOTING that recently Communist Beach, a peaceful communist region, was invaded on March 11th, 2014 at 11AM EST;

-This is true.

UNDERSTANDING that a formally peaceful neutral region accepting all ideologies has turned into an Anti-communist, Fascist region of non-pacifist nations and peoples waging war against many regions, with Communist Beach being the most recent example;

-I'm very Pacifist mind you. And we aren't fascists. The rest though is true.

AWARE that Libertatem poses a threat to the many smaller regions on nationstates and many people. Also aware that Communist Beach was a peaceful region invaded by a group of Libertarian Hypocrites;

-I'm aware of this as well. We pose to large of a threat as we attack anyone and everyone.

SHOCKED that such a peaceful neutral region has turned into a Fascist war-mongering menace to the world with it's war on communism and hatred towards pacifist communist regions.

-Again 1/2 true. Not Fascist. Warmongering? Yeah.

Also shocked that the War on Communism is focussed on rooting out totalitarianism, when several communist regions exercise great civil and political rights, much like former Yugoslavia.

-Agreed. They do in all honesty. I've been in a few. Never won though. I was too Right -Wing...

HEREBY condemn's Libertatem for their hateful acts of aggression, fascist movements against pacifist regions, and war on communist and socialist ideology.

--We can't really argue this here......

So this is a WA condemnation?. Who cares about a silly condemnation. Besides, a condemnation sticker would look pretty good on Libertatems main page.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:So this is a WA condemnation?. Who cares about a silly condemnation. Besides, a condemnation sticker would look pretty good on Libertatems main page.

Yep. Let everyone know we are the bad guys.

Seriously. We are committing imperialism. Pull out of Communist Beach.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:So this is a WA condemnation?. Who cares about a silly condemnation. Besides, a condemnation sticker would look pretty good on Libertatems main page.

I second this.

Also, I see TTA is now working for the State Socialists. Shocking. >:(

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Also, I see TTA is now working for the State Socialists. Shocking. >:(

Excuse me. I am working against Imperialism. Not Working for State Socialism.

The Time Alliance wrote:Yep. Let everyone know we are the bad guys.

Seriously. We are committing imperialism. Pull out of Communist Beach.

So? Even if we were those eeeeeevil bad guys, it doesn't mean we will be seen that way. Plus, the Black Riders, have 2 condemnations, but look how many members they have. Around 580.

I never knew libertarian socialism equated to State Socialism.

IMO, you just wanted to attack a vulnerable region.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:So? Even if we were those eeeeeevil bad guys, it doesn't mean we will be seen that way. Plus, the Black Riders, have 2 condemnations, but look how many members they have. Around 580.

Mostly puppets. Try again.

Nacerima wrote:Mostly puppets. Try again.

How do you know that.?

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:So? Even if we were those eeeeeevil bad guys, it doesn't mean we will be seen that way. Plus, the Black Riders, have 2 condemnations, but look how many members they have. Around 580.

Because they want to look bad. Do you want to look worse than we do already?

TBR and Libertatem are two separate types of regions. Thus Commendations affect us differently.

Nacerima wrote:I never knew libertarian socialism equated to State Socialism.

IMO, you just wanted to attack a vulnerable region.

Not true. State Socialism isn't the same as Libertarian Socialism.

However yes. They do just attack vulnerable regions.

Nacerima wrote:Mostly puppets. Try again.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:How do you know that.?

Look at them. Heck 10 of my puppets are there. I left email tocdien

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:How do you know that.?

I used to be a Rider. We would keep some puppets in the main region just to gain popularity. Then, when I quit, I found that some of those 580 nations are also defender spies.

Avalon High wrote:Look at them. Heck 10 of my puppets are there. I left email tocdien

How do you know everyone else leaves their puppets there?

That moment the Fascists ally you. You know your in the wrong.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:How do you know everyone else leaves their puppets there?

Nacerima wrote:I used to be a Rider. We would keep some puppets in the main region just to gain popularity. Then, when I quit, I found that some of those 580 nations are also defender spies.

This. I used to be one.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:How do you know everyone else leaves their puppets there?

When the policy and the custom is to dump useless puppets into that region.

How would a 580 person organization manage to only have an average of 20 active people with about 5 active riders?

Avalon High wrote:That moment the Fascists ally you. You know your in the wrong.

I actually planned on betraying him, but it was too late for that. Lol

No Borders wrote:I actually planned on betraying him, but it was too late for that. Lol

..... ermmmm.....

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Hopefully, TTA gets banjected.

Honestly. You do seem Fascist. Someone stands up for their beliefs by action. The members of the region wish to exile him....

The Time Alliance wrote:Honestly. You do seem Fascist. Someone stands up for their beliefs by action. The members of the region wish to exile him....

You have committed treason. You worked directly against Libertatems army.

The Time Alliance wrote:..... ermmmm.....

I clocked my departure at around 12:45, but the update was at 12:36 (EST). By then I would have kicked the fascist and left before the defenders could kick me. I managed to leave before being ejected though, even though I didn't manage to leave before the update.

However, it was fun. Remember it is just a game. Although the fact that UCR would have to call up freaking Lazarus is pitiful. I managed to stave off everyone before that.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:You have committed treason. You worked directly against Libertatems army.

I worked against a Fascist Imperialistic Expansion. I would've fought anyone who did that. Red, Black or Blue.

The Time Alliance wrote:I worked against a Fascist Imperialistic Expansion. I would've fought anyone who did that. Red, Black or Blue.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

I would've. It's not my fault you commited the Unorthodox Imperialism upon that innocent region....

Also, for any fascist reading this board, I would keep a VERY close eye on some of your regions for the next few days. ;)

All shall fear me, know my name. Republic of Minerva!

No Borders wrote:Also, for any fascist reading this board, I would keep a VERY close eye on some of your regions for the next few days. ;)

All shall fear me, know my name. Republic of Minerva!

.....Crap...

Anti-Imperialism or Anti-Fascist....... which am I more.

No Borders wrote:I clocked my departure at around 12:45, but the update was at 12:36 (EST). By then I would have kicked the fascist and left before the defenders could kick me. I managed to leave before being ejected though, even though I didn't manage to leave before the update.

However, it was fun. Remember it is just a game. Although the fact that UCR would have to call up freaking Lazarus is pitiful. I managed to stave off everyone before that.

The UCR didn't call Lazarus. They came by themselves.

Nacerima wrote:The UCR didn't call Lazarus. They came by themselves.

Yeah.

Nacerima wrote:The UCR didn't call Lazarus. They came by themselves.

Read their message board.

No Borders wrote:Read their message board.

I was there.

Speaking of it. Upon viewing the WA forum it has occurred to me the Condemnation against usn is Illegal and now can hold no weight.

No Borders wrote:Read their message board.

I was with Lazarus. They are a communistic region, so they tend to prioritize the defense of communistic regions... >.>

Anyways I'm ready to sleep. G'Night.

See you tommorow buddies.

It's the fekking kettle calling the pot black.

If you need an insurrectionary region, supports of a tyrannic regime (North Korea), and a bunch of anarchists to liberate a pitiful region containing no more than 20 members at maximum, then you know you are a hypocrite. I am not the hypocrite, I saw this region for what they were by looking at their embassies and RMB.

Pevvania was fully behind me. I was originally going to tag the region and move on, but Neoconfed drew me back. If you looked back far enough you would of seen I left for a couple hours and came back. I never planned to simply more than tag the region, but I had the support at the moment. Am I the only one to claim innocence?

Neither am I stupid. Somebody must of telegrammed three or four regions, at most.

Guten nacht.

Tommorow we tag more fascist regions. Be up for that. :)

Republic Of Minerva wrote:It's the fekking kettle calling the pot black.

If you need an insurrectionary region, supports of a tyrannic regime (North Korea), and a bunch of anarchists to liberate a pitiful region containing no more than 20 members at maximum, then you know you are a hypocrite. I am not the hypocrite, I saw this region for what they were by looking at their embassies and RMB.

Pevvania was fully behind me. I was originally going to tag the region and move on, but Neoconfed drew me back. If you looked back far enough you would of seen I left for a couple hours and came back. I never planned to simply more than tag the region, but I had the support at the moment. Am I the only one to claim innocence?

Neither am I stupid. Somebody must of telegrammed three or four regions, at most.

I will proclaim your innocence.

Statement on the Communist Beach Crisis

Good morning, Libertatem. As several of you may know, there has been a tag raid on Communist Beach in which forces under the command of a Libertatemite defaced their WFE, RMB, ordered the closure of all embassies and banned several residents. Many have questioned the depth of my involvement, how much I knew and when I knew it.

The truth is that I learned of the raid on Communist Beach late yesterday evening. And I can't deny that I was pleased. But then I looked further into it, and observed that CB identifies with the libertarian left rather than the forces of totalitarianism. I realised that this contradicts both our policy towards L-L regions, and decided to act to end the operation once I'd slept. I acted too late.

Libertatem reaffirms its policy towards the libertarian left and guarantees that no other regions of this kind will be made targets in the future.

And [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation], I am shocked and puzzled that you aided the Communists against Libertatem forces, despite the fact that you were an original endorser of the raid leader there. Regardless of the moral basis for the tag raid, you have committed an act of treason against Libertatem. I will consider having the Attorney-General press banjection charges against you.

Jeez, everything likes to 'splode round here huh? :)

Had not realised that The Time Alliance played a part against us... speaking out is one thing. But physically fighting for the opposite side? I support banjection.

Muh Roads wrote:Had not realised that The Time Alliance played a part against us... speaking out is one thing. But physically fighting for the opposite side? I support banjection.

Or maybe we could just permanently revoke his citizenship. There are various options on the table. But I want to do this democratically, so later on I'll consult with the Attorney-General and the Board.

The VETO Act

The Verification of Executive Temperance Options Act

Section I

Purpose of the act

To clearly define the veto powers of the President.

Section II

Addressing legislation

If a bill has been passed with majorities in both legislative chambers, it will be sent to the President for his signature for a maximum of one day.

The President has four options:

sign the bill,

veto the bill,

exercise a line-item veto,

let the bill become law without the President's signature.

Section III

The veto

To veto a bill, the President may simply send the bill back to the legislature with a veto message describing why they rejected it.

The bill is then considered further by the legislature. If the bill is not amended or resent, then it may be dropped by the legislature.

A veto may be overridden with a 75% majority in both legislative chambers.

When a veto is overridden, it passes into law without the President's signature.

Section IV

The line-item veto

The President may exercise a line-item veto, and veto individual provisions of a bill.

The legislature may override a specific line-item veto with a simple majority in both chambers.

Drafted by Pevvania.

Pevvania wrote:Or maybe we could just permanently revoke his citizenship. There are various options on the table. But I want to do this democratically, so later on I'll consult with the Attorney-General and the Board.

Fair enough. You might be a little more lenient than I.. lol

Pevvania wrote:And [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation], I am shocked and puzzled that you aided the Communists against Libertatem forces, despite the fact that you were an original endorser of the raid leader there. Regardless of the moral basis for the tag raid, you have committed an act of treason against Libertatem. I will consider having the Attorney-General press banjection charges against you.

Well at first it was okay and Everything. Then someone messaged me the Condemnation and some past information of Communist Beach and it just became Imperialism. I would do whatever it takes to Liberate a Region that was targeted by Imperialism. That includes going against anyone who practices Imperialism.

Muh Roads wrote:Had not realised that [nation]The Time alliance[/nation] played a part against us... speaking out is one thing. But physically fighting for the opposite side? I support banjection.

The best and only good way to counter imperialism is to fight it. With guns blazing.

And again. State Socialists. Not communists.

The Time Alliance wrote:Well at first it was okay and Everything. Then someone messaged me the Condemnation and some past information of Communist Beach and it just became Imperialism. I would do whatever it takes to Liberate a Region that was targeted by Imperialism. That includes going against anyone who practices Imperialism.

So you helped with the initial raid, then when you saw others were unhappy about it you decided it was imperialism? In this case, you went against your own region. And there will be consequences.

Pevvania wrote:So you helped with the initial raid, then when you saw others were unhappy about it you decided it was imperialism? In this case, you went against your own region. And there will be consequences.

I saw the fact it wasn't communist after-all. When I was told it was communist.

Do what thou wilt. I have peace of mind that I did the right thing.

The Time Alliance wrote:I saw the fact it wasn't communist after-all. When I was told it was communist.

Do what thou wilt. I have peace of mind that I did the right thing.

How was Communist Beach not communist?

[Nation]the time alliance[/nation],

Considering your actions against the great region of Libertatem and your forthcoming judgement for treason, I am going to revoke your citizenship. In accordance with the FRAUD act Section VI, subsection III.

Pevvania wrote:How was Communist Beach not communist?

No region is Communism first of all.

And as you just said....it was L-L

Muh Roads wrote:[Nation]the time alliance[/nation],

Considering your actions against the great region of Libertatem and your forthcoming judgement for treason, I am going to revoke your citizenship. In accordance with the FRAUD act Section VI, subsection III.

Communist Beach is Liberated. That's all that I hoped out of this situation.

As long as I stand for my beliefs. Consequences don't matter.

[Quote=the_time_alliance;5641438]Communist Beach is Liberated. That's all that I hoped out of this situation.

As long as I stand for my beliefs. Consequences don't matter. [/quote]

I appreciate that, but I am a bit saddened by your decisions. Regardless of our conflicting political stances, your opposition had often lead me to out of the box thinking when it came to legislature.

Muh Roads wrote:I appreciate that, but I am a bit saddened by your decisions. Regardless of our conflicting political stances, your opposition had often lead me to out of the box thinking when it came to legislature.

I'll still be here........ I'm not transferring. I'm just not a citizen. Your still going to hear me every day...

I too am very disappointed by TTA's actions. I considered him a good contributor and a rising star within our region, but it saddens me to see a betrayal like this. I would have never thought of him as a traitor.

Pevvania wrote:I too am very disappointed by TTA's actions. I considered him a good contributor and a rising star within our region, but it saddens me to see a betrayal like this. I would have never thought of him as a traitor.

Defending freedom is not betrayal.

I don't like David Jolly, he supports tying the minimum wage to the rate of inflation (quite an ironic idea when you think about it), and various other neo-con tropes. But I'm glad that he defeated Sink.

Overby wasn't a great candidate, but he had an impressive showing nevertheless, garnering 4.8% of the vote.

Well now that that idiot is gone.

Hallo Island wrote:Well now that that idiot is gone.

Who?

oh gross he's back

Hallo Island wrote:oh gross he's back

..........This region.

You are a traitor. You directly went against this region.

Hallo Island wrote:You are a traitor. You directly went against this region.

Because It commited imperialistic, hypocritical actions. I may have left it alone, but I was guilty of helping the Imperialistic expansion. Thus I had to help retake the region and Liberate it from it's aggressors.

Why don't you leave this "Imperialist" region?

We are currently looking at our options. Let's let him be for now.

Humpheria wrote:We are currently looking at our options. Let's let him be for now.

Seconded. Public opinion is of course not going to be positive for him, but the combination of the Board, President, and Attorney General will handle this. I have taken what action i could with support from the president.

Muh Roads wrote:Seconded. Public opinion is of course not going to be positive for him, but the combination of the Board, President, and Attorney General will handle this. I have taken what action i could with support from the president.

Well since we only have 11 active people's and over half are in the Government.

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