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Ultimately Dred wrote:Does any one know what happened to the UCR?

Cruz is out. I look forward to voting for Gary Johnson.

Republic Of Minerva, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots

RIP America.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The New United States wrote:Cruz is out. I look forward to voting for Gary Johnson.

Hillary appreciates your support.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:Hillary appreciates your support.

And Donald is better? :s

Way I see it, is both are so bad that the differences between them are negligible, and the differences between them and e.g. Johnson are huge, and therefore worth my vote despite the low chance of Gary getting elected.

The New United States, The United States Of Patriots

Kasich is out. Johnson 2016.

Miencraft

This actually may be the first presidential election in which I vote libertarian. That is unless by some twist of fate Sanders receives the nomination...

San Andrias, New Jaslandia

Republic Of Minerva wrote:And Donald is better? :s

On his worse day The Donald™ is light years ahead of Hillary.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Way I see it, is both are so bad that the differences between them are negligible, and the differences between them and e.g. Johnson are huge, and therefore worth my vote despite the low chance of Gary getting elected.

I agree. Would be better than any of the other contestants.

But a vote for someone with zero chance of being elected is vote against your second choice and a vote your worse nightmare does not have to overcome. In these case a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:This actually may be the first presidential election in which I vote libertarian.

See above.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:That is unless by some twist of fate Sanders receives the nomination...

Why would you vote for that communist? He is trying to bribe the voters with their own money and will bankrupt the nation with his polices.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:On his worse day The Donald™ is light years ahead of Hillary.

I agree. Would be better than any of the other contestants.

But a vote for someone with zero chance of being elected is vote against your second choice and a vote your worse nightmare does not have to overcome. In these case a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary.

See above.

Why would you vote for that communist? He is trying to bribe the voters with their own money and will bankrupt the nation with his polices.

The Donald™ who:

Wants to harm American consumers by instating high tariffs on China.

Wants to destroy the economy bottom up by severely restricting immigration, particularly from Mexico, and deporting 11 million workers in our economy.

Ban an entire ethnic group from migrating to the United States based on their religion, as if individual beliefs don't matter.

Wants to force Apple to create a back door to their products, therefore destroying our privacy from intrusion by the government.

Wants to raise taxes on the rich.

Considers global trade "rape." (Actual term he used)

Believes "torture works" and wishes to bring back waterboarding.

Wants to quickly and decisively bomb ISIS (yeah right) and rebuild the military (lol?)

Hates property rights, believes eminent domain is something we need "very strongly."

Wants to "force" Mexico to pay for his wall. (How?)

Wants to "save" Social Security, instead of cutting it.

Believes that Obamacare was a good idea.

is superior to hillary clinton? Hillary is awful, but this guy is just as bad except for a few areas like foreign policy. I guess if you are a one issue voter on things like guns or foreign policy, go ahead and vote for him, but don't try to convince Libertarians to vote for him. His personality alone makes me hate him, it's corrupt and lying - like Hillary Cliton.

Miencraft, The New United States, San Andrias, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:

Why would you vote for that communist? He is trying to bribe the voters with their own money and will bankrupt the nation with his polices.

You've got it backwards.

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Reagan was the last major party President for whom I voted. The rest have been Libertarian and once US Taxpayer Party. I have walked away from the GOP 3 times because for various reasons--good old boy networking, confusing patriotism for pseudo-American jingoism, and crypto-progressivism--conservatives who don't know they are not conservative is insanity (Romney*cough*, McCain*cough*, (any) Bush*cough*. Last time they asked me to come back and run for precinct committeeman I did so without joining the party.

Partisan politics sucks and living in a one party state sucks even worse. Nothing in Idaho gets done without the state Republican party. Remain independent but get involved. Vote your conscience and remind every American who doesn't that they are prostituting themselves for expediency when they don't. Nothing good ever comes from always taking the path of least resistance nor always voting for the evil of two lessers.

***Narland gets off his soapbox***

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The Donald™ who:

Wants to harm American consumers by instating high tariffs on China.

Wants to destroy the economy bottom up by severely restricting immigration, particularly from Mexico, and deporting 11 million workers in our economy.

Ban an entire ethnic group from migrating to the United States based on their religion, as if individual beliefs don't matter.

Wants to force Apple to create a back door to their products, therefore destroying our privacy from intrusion by the government.

Wants to raise taxes on the rich.

Considers global trade "rape." (Actual term he used)

Believes "torture works" and wishes to bring back waterboarding.

Wants to quickly and decisively bomb ISIS (yeah right) and rebuild the military (lol?)

Hates property rights, believes eminent domain is something we need "very strongly."

Wants to "force" Mexico to pay for his wall. (How?)

Wants to "save" Social Security, instead of cutting it.

Believes that Obamacare was a good idea.

While not all of that is true (For instance, I've never heard Trump say he was in favor of Obamacare) Trump is still lightyears ahead of Hillary. Pretty sad isn't it?

There is no way I can support another liberal. It is not one issue. It is the entire liberal agenda from the climate change crap to the politically correct attempts at thought control to giving away the treasury at the drop of a hat. Hillary is worse than all that. Not only does she have all of the above going for her, she and her boss left four people to die in Benghazi. If that is not enough, only an idiot cannot see that Hillary intentionally set out to circumvent federal record keeping laws and in doing so pretty much put classified information in the public domain.

That said, in this election a vote for a conservative third party candidate is a vote for Hillary. As bad as he is, I'm going to have to hold my nose and vote for Trump.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:You've got it backwards.

Lets see now. Bernie is offering everything from free college to free medical all funded through higher taxes which, one way or another, come out of our pockets.

I'm not getting this. How did I get that backwards?

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:

That said, in this election a vote for a conservative third party candidate is a vote for Hillary. As bad as he is, I'm going to have to hold my nose and vote for Trump.

Lets see now. Bernie is offering everything from free college to free medical all funded through higher taxes which, one way or another, come out of our pockets.

I'm not getting this. How did I get that backwards?

By overthinking.

If it comes down to Trump vs Sanders, I'm voting for Trump.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:You've got it backwards.

If he's got it backwards, then by your logic Bernie will bring back the Clinton-era surplus. Are you high?

San Andrias wrote:If he's got it backwards, then by your logic Bernie will bring back the Clinton-era surplus. Are you high?

You're misreading a point that I clarified thirteen hours ago. Lol.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:You're misreading a point that I clarified thirteen hours ago. Lol.

I didn't read the recent page.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:While not all of that is true (For instance, I've never heard Trump say he was in favor of Obamacare) Trump is still litightyears ahead of Hillary. Pretty sad isn't it?

There is no way I can support another liberal. It is not one issue. It is the entire liberal agenda from the climate change crap to the politically correct attempts at thought control to giving away the treasury at the drop of a hat. Hillary is worse than all that. Not only does she have all of the above going for her, she and her boss left four people to die in Benghazi. If that is not enough, only an idiot cannot see that Hillary intentionally set out to circumvent federal record keeping laws and in doing so pretty much put classified information in the public domain.

That said, in this election a vote for a conservative third party candidate is a vote for Hillary. As bad as he is, I'm going to have to hold my nose and vote for Trump.

Lets see now. Bernie is offering everything from free college to free medical all funded through higher taxes which, one way or another, come out of our pockets.

I'm not getting this. How did I get that backwards?

Just one thing. I can understand you would rather vote for the better party, regardless of how stupid their candidate is (though I still think voting Libertarian is the better choice) but please don't call climate change "crap". That's bordering on conspiracy theories. Almost the whole scientific ccommunity agrees on it.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Just one thing. I can understand you would rather vote for the better party, regardless of how stupid their candidate is (though I still think voting Libertarian is the better choice) but please don't call climate change "crap". That's bordering on conspiracy theories. Almost the whole scientific ccommunity agrees on it.

Not taking a side, but science doesn't work like that.

In science, everyone agrees because something is right, and it's right because of so many studies and experiments that have led us to believe that, given what we know and are capable of doing, it is correct. Just because a lot of scientists say something is right doesn't make it so, especially not something that has a lot of evidence to go either way as to what exactly is going on with climate change and why.

Of course, it is happening. The only question is why and how serious it actually is.

The New United States, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Not taking a side, but science doesn't work like that.

In science, everyone agrees because something is right, and it's right because of so many studies and experiments that have led us to believe that, given what we know and are capable of doing, it is correct. Just because a lot of scientists say something is right doesn't make it so, especially not something that has a lot of evidence to go either way as to what exactly is going on with climate change and why.

Of course, it is happening. The only question is why and how serious it actually is.

This is accurate, although there is proof that global warming is occurring there is tremendous conflicting research on the cause of it.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:By overthinking.

If it comes down to Trump vs Sanders, I'm voting for Trump.

Sadly, it will be Trump vs. Hillary. The Democratic nomination process is seriously rigged. Hillary was the nominee before the Iowa Caucuses.

Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia wrote:Just one thing. I can understand you would rather vote for the better party, regardless of how stupid their candidate is (though I still think voting Libertarian is the better choice) but please don't call climate change "crap". That's bordering on conspiracy theories. Almost the whole scientific ccommunity agrees on it.

It is crap. By majority, you must mean those that are toeing the company line when they speak. The majority of the scientific community qualified to do so will not speak out on the matter because their grants depend on them not doing so.

The real deal killer here is that Global Warming preachers have been caught screwing around with the data. Not once. Not twice. But three times internal e-mail and documents surfaced proving that these con artists are conspiring to spread the bovine waste material among we, the unwashed masses. There is some real concern now that much of the original raw data may be lost forever. If that isn't enough for you, look at the number of colleges and universities that now have a vested interest in continuing the myth. Check out all these highly lucrative carbon emission abatement patents held by US universities.[1] The fraud became so far fetched that Great Britain forbade the showing of Al Gore's proselytizing film in schools.

Frankly, scientists have been trying to get a grasp on climate trends for decades now. To the best of my knowledge they have yet to win that battle. The recent global history[2] of California alone shows that it went from rainforest to parched desert to what we see now. Even one of the founders of Greenpeace came out and admitted the fraud.[3] I am old enough to remember when it was global freezing that was going to do us all in.[4]

Right now it is still not as hot as it was when Jesus walked the earth. How did it get that hot back then? Or did the Bible simply fail to mention that Jesus and his followers cruising the Middle East in a tour bus and SUV's.

Let us not forget that the climate itself put lie to the idea of Global Warming. It got so ridiculous that the founding members of the Church of Global Warming™ felt the need to change the name to Climate Change. Seriously, it is hard to preach Global Warming when the ice caps are growing and you are standing in record low temperatures up to your earlobes in snow.

Here is the way I see it. If we can get some independent research on the matter with independent reviews of those studies, then and only then will I give the current fraud any more consideration. The current cries of alarm from all those with a dog in the fight is just so much carnaval barking, trying to lure in the next sucker.

Until someone can prove global warming exists, that global warming is being significantly influenced by human activities, and there is truly something we can do about it, all the tree huggers need to stay out of my business, my wallet and my face.

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[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=carbon+emission+patents+by+university&oq=carbon+emission+patents+by+university&aqs

[2] By recent global history I am referring to planetary history going back 500,000 years.

[3] http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/03/20/why-i-am-climate-change-skeptic

[4] http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/06/04/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley/

The New United States

Hyderbourg wrote:This is accurate, although there is proof that global warming is occurring there is tremendous conflicting research on the cause of it.

Which I did say.

It has been a pleasure and an honor to serve Libertatem as your WA Delegate, if ever so briefly.

When I was elected, my first decision was to lay off most of the delegation office staff. I canceled the daily deliveries of flowers, chocolates, booze, and bottled water. Two staffers remain to disburse the cost savings in $20 increments back to random taxpayers in dues-paying nations.

Regrettably, I failed to sway the debate to defeat the "Reproductive Education Act"...

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=371130&start=520

...but it seems that there are multiple workarounds that the free market has already discovered.

Congratulations, Hyderbourg, on becoming the new WA Delegate for Libertatem! And if you want any of the mahogany office furniture, best cancel the auction on eBay.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

I'll banject you all if you don't elect Minovdigon as your next WA Delegate.

[/joke]

Or is iiiiiiiiit

The Ambassador To The Clfr

Bad Libertopia wrote:It has been a pleasure and an honor to serve Libertatem as your WA Delegate, if ever so briefly.

When I was elected, my first decision was to lay off most of the delegation office staff. I canceled the daily deliveries of flowers, chocolates, booze, and bottled water. Two staffers remain to disburse the cost savings in $20 increments back to random taxpayers in dues-paying nations.

Regrettably, I failed to sway the debate to defeat the "Reproductive Education Act"...

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=371130&start=520

...but it seems that there are multiple workarounds that the free market has already discovered.

Congratulations, Hyderbourg, on becoming the new WA Delegate for Libertatem! And if you want any of the mahogany office furniture, best cancel the auction on eBay.

As the Delegate of Libertatem I stand by the conservative values that are innate within his region just as our previous delegate has before me.

Once you're done instating your new Delegate, I need you to clear out a bunch of ghouls who have attacked a nearby settlement. I'll mark it on your map.

Pevvania, Rateria, Shirayuki Mizore, Ultimately Dred

Minerva/The Liberated Territories wrecked Trump pretty nicely, except for two points: Muslims are not an ethnic group, but a religion composed of thousands of ethnic groups around the world. When you say Muslim, what do you mean? Pakistani Muslim? Iranian Muslim? African Muslim? The differences are not slight but large, both in ethnic background and belief.

And right now, Trump says he wants a more market-based healthcare system, but has praised government run healthcare numerous times in the past, bizarrely claiming that "it works great in Scotland". Which it doesn't. Here in the UK, to book an appointment with a doctor you usually have to wait about a month. Thanks government.

Also, love all the new faces around here. I think I might be popping in more often, if just for discussion.

Miencraft, The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Condealism wrote:Once you're done instating your new Delegate, I need you to clear out a bunch of ghouls who have attacked a nearby settlement. I'll mark it on your map.

Another settlement needs your help!

Ultimately Dred

Pevvania wrote:Also, love all the new faces around here. I think I might be popping in more often, if just for discussion.

Bit by bit, we're building up again.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Bit by bit, we're building up again.

Still working on citizenship, though, eh?

>.>

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Still working on citizenship, though, eh?

>.>

Ain't my fault Roads disappeared, brah.

That said, I could probably just magically say you're a citizen now...

Hell, I've got nothing better to do, so I will.

Miencraft wrote:Ain't my fault Roads disappeared, brah.

That said, I could probably just magically say you're a citizen now...

Hell, I've got nothing better to do, so I will.

Maybe not, but I'm still going to blame you, because you're the president, and that's your job.

Wooo! Magic!

Danke.

Condealism wrote:Once you're done instating your new Delegate, I need you to clear out a bunch of ghouls who have attacked a nearby settlement. I'll mark it on your map.

Sanctuary again!? Damn it Codsworth told me he had it under control!

Miencraft

Miencraft wrote:Ain't my fault Roads disappeared, brah.

See, this is why we need a government.

(Yes, I know that joke's been done to death. Shut up.)

Roads didn't disappear; Roads just ain't freely accessible to the public right now.

The NGA is getting up on its feet, some of you may remember ambassadors (now called Emissaries), they are being sent to each region once again.[nation=short]The Eastern Byzantine Empire[/nation] is now the official Emissary to Libertatem. If there are problems, questions or anything else, please message my main account below. Thank you Libertatem.

Seceratary of State,

[nation=short]Oelesa[/nation]

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria

The Department Of State For The Nga wrote:The NGA is getting up on its feet, some of you may remember ambassadors (now called Emissaries), they are being sent to each region once again.[nation=short]The Eastern Byzantine Empire[/nation] is now the official Emissary to Libertatem. If there are problems, questions or anything else, please message my main account below. Thank you Libertatem.

Seceratary of State,

[nation=short]Oelesa[/nation]

Thank You Mr. Secretary,

It is truly an honor to serve both the NGA and Libertatem! May we work together in the spirit harmony and cooperation.

Yours,

The Eastern Byzantine Empire, New Emissary for Libertatem

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria

Hey yall

San Andrias, Ultimately Dred

Hello, Destroyer-Of-Regions. What brings you here?

The Ambassador To The Clfr

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Hello, Destroyer-Of-Regions. What brings you here?

https://youtu.be/lb13ynu3Iac

Ankha wrote:Hey yall

Good to see another familiar face around here.

Ankha

Hey guys it seems like for your delegate, I don't really know much about you guys. Feel free to message me with anything you need or just to talk if you feel like it.

Post by Greater Neutricland suppressed by a moderator.

Lots going on. It looks like the Libertarian Party will be extremely successful this year, provided that nothing radical changes. I've seen more media attention to the LP in the last few months than ever.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=john_turner_1462739753

Hyderbourg wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=john_turner_1462739753

I don't understand why you linked this.

You're the Delegate, you're the only one in the region that can approve proposals. And you're the Delegate, so you don't need anyone else's permission to do it or anything like that.

Miencraft wrote:I don't understand why you linked this.

You're the Delegate, you're the only one in the region that can approve proposals. And you're the Delegate, so you don't need anyone else's permission to do it or anything like that.

And, to add to the not understanding, that link now goes absolutely nowhere.

So that's nice.

Miencraft wrote:And, to add to the not understanding, that link now goes absolutely nowhere.

So that's nice.

As a representative I did not want to vote without the consent of my peers, I am sorry if that angered you..?

Rateria

Hyderbourg wrote:As a representative I did not want to vote without the consent of my peers, I am sorry if that angered you..?

It didn't, just confused me.

Hyderbourg wrote:As a representative I did not want to vote without the consent of my peers, I am sorry if that angered you..?

Dude, you are taking this way too seriously.

Miencraft

San Andrias wrote:Dude, you are taking this way too seriously.

Also this. It's a game, and in this region the WA is probably the least important part of the game.

So have fun with it if you want, but don't expect people to care too much about what you do with WAD powers.

Miencraft wrote:Also this. It's a game, and in this region the WA is probably the least important part of the game.

So have fun with it if you want, but don't expect people to care too much about what you do with WAD powers.

Well... there's the WAR act and whatnot..

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Well... there's the WAR act and whatnot..

I thought we had repealed that...

Actually, now that I think about it, we do have a lot of laws that are based on the premise that the WA Delegate is the President.

I'm going to go write up a new thing that fixes all that stuff, then!

Miencraft wrote:I thought we had repealed that...

Actually, now that I think about it, we do have a lot of laws that are based on the premise that the WA Delegate is the President.

I'm going to go write up a new thing that fixes all that stuff, then!

Don't you need some kind of approval before you go write up new laws....

Hyderbourg wrote:Don't you need some kind of approval before you go write up new laws....

No, because you can't write up new laws.

You can write up a new proposal for a law, which then goes to vote, but nobody can just write a new law.

So, are we counting these last few delegates as our official presidents for the term orr?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:So, are we counting these last few delegates as our official presidents for the term orr?

No. The Delegate and President are two totally different offices. That's why I'm writing something up to split them officially again.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=629164

There. That's what I've come up with. Thoughts?

Also yes I realize that, being an Amendment, we need 2/3 of the House, which I think is currently the entire Citizenship register? So that'd be tough to do.

I dunno, we'll sort something out.

Oh, and, yes, "therefor" is a word.

Sounds cromulent to me. :)

New Jaslandia

Narland wrote:Sounds cromulent to me. :)

+5 respect for obscure words.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=629164

There. That's what I've come up with. Thoughts?

Also yes I realize that, being an Amendment, we need 2/3 of the House, which I think is currently the entire Citizenship register? So that'd be tough to do.

I dunno, we'll sort something out.

Oh, and, yes, "therefor" is a word.

Looks fine to me.

On the topic of amendments, how long has the FREE Amendment been missing for?

Because it's got its own section labelled in the Constitution, but there's nothing there and it just goes on to the next one.

Miencraft wrote:On the topic of amendments, how long has the FREE Amendment been missing for?

Because it's got its own section labelled in the Constitution, but there's nothing there and it just goes on to the next one.

Ever since I deleted the factbook for it about a month after the second time I moved to the IRU for good. That would have been years ago, now.

I did give some advance warning, but apparently no one thought to copy down the contents of that particular archive. The only record we have of its changes are the direct edits it made to the Constitution (though with all of the amendments since, it's likely that most of it has been superseded by newer legislation by now).

Wait, I seem to have found it (or at least, an early draft of it):

FREE Act

Fair Removal of Extraneous Expressions Act

Proposed Constitutional Amendment II

Section I

Purpose

Clarification of this proposal's purpose:

Subsection I

To eliminate the position of Vice WA Delegate in order to streamline government efficiency.

Subsection II

To remove overly wordy clauses from the constitution.

Subsection III

To remove potential loopholes from the constitution.

Section II

Modifications to Government Positions

Subsection I

The Vice WA Delegate position will be discontinued.

Subsection II

The sole ability of the position - to break ties - will be reassigned to the WA Delegate.

Section III

Modifications to Constitutional Wording

- Constitution A1S1SS7 will change the wording "Board Member shall be granted" to "Board Member may be granted".

- Constitution A1S2SS3 will remove the wording "or Vice WA Delegate".

- Constitution A2S1SS1 will remove the wording "the Vice WA Delegate,".

- Constitution A2S1SS4 will be removed (and the subsections preceding bumped up by one).

- Constitution A4S1SS2 will change the wording ", the WA Delegate, and the Vice WA Delegate" to ", and the WA Delegate".

- Constitution A7S1SS1 will change the wording "respecting an establishment" to "enforcing an establishment" in order to permit government officials to express their religious views.

- Constitution A7S1SS3 will remove the wording "by Internal Affairs" to avoid exploitation by other government officials.

Uh, sorry for the disappearance I do still exist

Updated as asked

Muh Roads wrote:Uh, sorry for the disappearance I do still exist

But but... Who will repair the taxes without Muh Roads?!

New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria

So.. I tried logging in as my original nation on this game.. having been deleted long ago. I found out it was banned. Couldn't imagine why?

Sent a getting help to the mods and they think my original nation is this "Amerandski" guy... so I looked up his forum history.. omg. Now I don't know how to prove myself otherwise. This sucks, I would never say the things he had said. I'm not him!

Muh Roads wrote:So.. I tried logging in as my original nation on this game.. having been deleted long ago. I found out it was banned. Couldn't imagine why?

Sent a getting help to the mods and they think my original nation is this "Amerandski" guy... so I looked up his forum history.. omg. Now I don't know how to prove myself otherwise. This sucks, I would never say the things he had said. I'm not him!

So basically if I get banned. Sorry guys, I'm gonna miss yall.

Republic Of Minerva

Conservative Idealism wrote:Wait, I seem to have found it (or at least, an early draft of it):

FREE Act

Fair Removal of Extraneous Expressions Act

Proposed Constitutional Amendment II

Section I

Purpose

Clarification of this proposal's purpose:

Subsection I

To eliminate the position of Vice WA Delegate in order to streamline government efficiency.

Subsection II

To remove overly wordy clauses from the constitution.

Subsection III

To remove potential loopholes from the constitution.

Section II

Modifications to Government Positions

Subsection I

The Vice WA Delegate position will be discontinued.

Subsection II

The sole ability of the position - to break ties - will be reassigned to the WA Delegate.

Section III

Modifications to Constitutional Wording

- Constitution A1S1SS7 will change the wording "Board Member shall be granted" to "Board Member may be granted".

- Constitution A1S2SS3 will remove the wording "or Vice WA Delegate".

- Constitution A2S1SS1 will remove the wording "the Vice WA Delegate,".

- Constitution A2S1SS4 will be removed (and the subsections preceding bumped up by one).

- Constitution A4S1SS2 will change the wording ", the WA Delegate, and the Vice WA Delegate" to ", and the WA Delegate".

- Constitution A7S1SS1 will change the wording "respecting an establishment" to "enforcing an establishment" in order to permit government officials to express their religious views.

- Constitution A7S1SS3 will remove the wording "by Internal Affairs" to avoid exploitation by other government officials.

Oh, right. Now I remember.

I'll go copy it over just so that we don't have an empty section, because it is still part of the Constitution, even if a bunch of it is obsolete.

Right, that's done.

While I was doing that I noticed a discrepancy, where A1§2:5:2 says "necessary 1/3" of the House for passing a Constitutional amendment, but then A4§1:3 says "2/3".

I'm going to change one of those to whichever one is correct, and I'm assuming that 2/3 is the right one, but can someone else confirm that?

Also, I hate triple posting, but does anyone else have any opinion to add regarding this thing: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=629164

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply have a code of law and constitution to replace this bureaucratic mess?

New Jaslandia, Timidity

San Andrias wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to simply have a code of law and constitution to replace this bureaucratic mess?

What? That's crazy talk. Executive this filth!

San Andrias

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What? That's crazy talk. Executive this filth!

Me, for the executive office? Why that's flattering.

New Jaslandia

Hehehe. Now I'm a citizen twice at the same time.

San Andrias, Bad Libertopia

San Andrias wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to simply have a code of law and constitution to replace this bureaucratic mess?

I don't get what you're trying to get us to replace something with, or what that replacement thing is to be.

Miencraft wrote:I don't get what you're trying to get us to replace something with, or what that replacement thing is to be.

Combining all of the acts and laws

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Hehehe. Now I'm a citizen twice at the same time.

I'm still an illegal alien. How much you want sell that duplicate passport for? :)

San Andrias wrote:Combining all of the acts and laws

Oh.

But why? What would that accomplish? And how would we accommodate new ones?

Hyderbourg wrote:Hey guys it seems like for your delegate, I don't really know much about you guys. Feel free to message me with anything you need or just to talk if you feel like it.

I'd like it if you voted for the various "Repeal" resolutions (even though the ones there are not particularly well drafted) at least it reduces the compliance burden on WA members.

WA #369, for example, is worded in such a way as to be impossible for any nation populated by humans to comply with, so it looks to me as if it some kind of takeover attempt of the WA--member nations either have to comply with the resolution or resign, and compliance is impossible.

There's a forum thread here about it...

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=377360&sid=b8a3ad54cdec9bd73455ded9937fb7e9

San Andrias, Hyderbourg

Miencraft wrote:Oh.

But why? What would that accomplish? And how would we accommodate new ones?

1. Consolidates our laws making it easier for people applying for citizenship to read.

2. Eases the process of finding and locating abnormalities in legislation (e.g. the 3/5 of the Board mentioned earlier)

3. Allows for the organization of legislation by topic rather than by act.

4. Makes Court cases and references to legislation easier by simply referencing the section of the code rather than the Act/Law, Clause, Subclause, etc.

New Jaslandia

Bad Libertopia wrote:I'd like it if you voted for the various "Repeal" resolutions (even though the ones there are not particularly well drafted) at least it reduces the compliance burden on WA members.

WA #369, for example, is worded in such a way as to be impossible for any nation populated by humans to comply with, so it looks to me as if it some kind of takeover attempt of the WA--member nations either have to comply with the resolution or resign, and compliance is impossible.

There's a forum thread here about it...

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=377360&sid=b8a3ad54cdec9bd73455ded9937fb7e9

I'm in Model United Nations and Model Congress in real life, so the draft resolutions churned out by the GA and SC make me cringe 90% of the time.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Oh.

But why? What would that accomplish? And how would we accommodate new ones?

Something like the following:

The Board (Legislature) of Libertatem approves:

The Basic Code of the Region of Libertatem

This -- Day of -- in 2016 [NOT YET RATIFIED OR APPROVED]

Chapter 1. General Provisions

Article 1. The Basic Code of the Region of Libertatem shall act as a code of laws for the Region of Libertatem. It shall rule second to the Constitution, which has superiority over this Basic Code of the Region of Libertatem.

Chapter 2. Future Regional Activity Unfair Discourse Act

Chapter 3. The Transparent and Accessible Board Legislation and Open and Inambiguous Discourses Act

Chapter 3. Department of State Reform Act

Chapter 4. The World Assembly Representation Act

Chapter 5. The Bureaucratic Authority over the Nomination and Nullification of the Ensign Régional Act

Chapter 6. Merit of Excellent Deed or Achievement Legislation

Chapter 7. Advocating Responsible Military Act

Chapter 8. Honor of Occurrences Legally Identified by Dates and Anniversaries Yearly Act

Chapter 9. Emendation of Documents Incorrectly Transcribed Act

Chapter 10. The Communications Deregulation Act

Chapter 11. Allocating Precise Powers Enabling Appeals to Litigation Act

Chapter 12. General Military Reformation Act

Chapter 13. Codifying Overt Utilities of Regional Tribunals Act

Chapter 14. Verification of Executive Temperance Options Act

Chapter 15. Preparing Orderly Legislation In Considering You Act

New Jaslandia

San Andrias wrote:1. Consolidates our laws making it easier for people applying for citizenship to read.

2. Eases the process of finding and locating abnormalities in legislation (e.g. the 3/5 of the Board mentioned earlier)

3. Allows for the organization of legislation by topic rather than by act.

4. Makes Court cases and references to legislation easier by simply referencing the section of the code rather than the Act/Law, Clause, Subclause, etc.

But I mean, this doesn't really seem to accomplish anything other than just putting it all into one place. Especially with that example you give, it really seems like you're just taking what we have now, which is a list of all the laws we've got (by the way Law of Libertatem is at its factbook limit, we might want to make another Laws nation, perhaps one for legacy storage of repealed laws), and just lumping it all together. I don't see the point in doing it, especially since what we have now does work.

And for 3, pretty much every law already has its own topic anyways. They're all pretty specific, which is nice, so I don't see what that would do.

As for 4, I have no idea what that would accomplish that we don't already have. Your example just confused me more, of course, and if that's what it'd look like it seems like it'd just be the exact same thing, except Chapter Whatever, §2:3, instead of The Bring Back This Old House Amendment §2:3.

I just have no idea what you think would actually be any different or why it would be different.

SAN ADRIAS IS A COMMUNIST

i have proof.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:SAN ADRIAS IS A COMMUNIST

i have proof.

K.

It's a difficult position for me to take, but I would support memorializing the current government and transcribing it's history and forming a new government to start fresh.

We can make a new government with whatever we please. Shrink the size of government. Expand recruitment. Institute a new bedrock of government.

San Andrias, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:It's a difficult position for me to take, but I would support memorializing the current government and transcribing it's history and forming a new government to start fresh.

We can make a new government with whatever we please. Shrink the size of government. Expand recruitment. Institute a new bedrock of government.

All part of your master plan... yes.. yes.. I see..

Haha just kidding. Actually I support this, let's definetly make the government smaller.

San Andrias, Rateria

Muh Roads wrote:All part of your master plan... yes.. yes.. I see..

Haha just kidding. Actually I support this, let's definetly make the government smaller.

I agree as well, all of the laws are kind of hard to find and outdated, we can start over.

Rateria, Timidity

Humpheria wrote:It's a difficult position for me to take, but I would support memorializing the current government and transcribing it's history and forming a new government to start fresh.

We can make a new government with whatever we please. Shrink the size of government. Expand recruitment. Institute a new bedrock of government.

Seems like it could be fun to watch if nothing else.

Humpheria wrote:It's a difficult position for me to take, but I would support memorializing the current government and transcribing it's history and forming a new government to start fresh.

We can make a new government with whatever we please. Shrink the size of government. Expand recruitment. Institute a new bedrock of government.

Eh, why not.

Let's overthrow the government!

Humpheria wrote:Let's overthrow the government!

Yeah! I'll get the pitchforks and torches!

Oh.

Wait.

We should have a constitutional convention over the weekend.

Humpheria wrote:It's a difficult position for me to take, but I would support memorializing the current government and transcribing it's history and forming a new government to start fresh.

We can make a new government with whatever we please. Shrink the size of government. Expand recruitment. Institute a new bedrock of government.

Humpheria wrote:Let's overthrow the government!

Well, I mean, hey, it worked with the IRU. Sure, our new pseudo-government might not be the most... reverential around, but the citizens are happier - and freer - than they were under the old system, and that means a lot to me.

1st new government proposal:

1. All hail Roads

2. Roads word is law

3. ???

4. Profit

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