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Region: Libertatem
So how do you attack
Dear friends of Libertatem, being that I know many of you are younger than I, let me off you this fair warning. Do NOT by any means get drunk with two or more ladies old enough to be your mom.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes, Republic Of Minerva, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Toxicflame, Teuberland, Lain Iwakura
The only real "combat" in this game is through world assembly endorsements. If you telegram our military manager [nation=pevvania] I'm sure he'd be happy to explain more.
Uh did something happen to you dude?
Everybody check out the news (http://www.nationstates.net/page=news)!
This is a joyous occasion. Once this feature is implemented, we will look at how at works and decided our course of action.
Miencraft, Kings Island, Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes, The New United States, Right-Winged Nation, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, Teuberland
That sounds awesome.
Teuberland
Yee... I'll be able to handle embassies a lot faster with this system, I guess.
*prays this won't result in needless paperwork*
Muh Roads, Rateria, Teuberland
Humpheria mentioned a "Foreign Legion" as our region currently is without a military, and i would like to participate in interregional warfare and to protect our allies, can anyone explain more about this?
I didn't get a notification for this. Maybe I accidentally hit news and didn't look.
WOOOOO! I CALL DIBS ON ANYTHING YOU CAN GIVE ME!
[Nation]Pevvania[/nation] would be the one to talk to. Shoot him a telegram. He is our general.
I'd imagine a couple members of the IRU's newly restructured "government" might also like to fight on behalf of Libertatem, though I can't say so for certain. Not sure what the word is on that right now, but I figure the war department should address this matter at some point during the Humpheria administration. Maybe I missed the memo regarding a foreign legion.
Anyway, how are you, Connor?
Yeppers, friend. We've allowed sympathetic foreigners to participate in our operations for a while, albeit unofficially.
We intended to pass legislation formalizing a foreign legion of sorts, but it was never realized. I'm going to finish writing an act up within the next 24 hours, and I'll post it here on the RMB for review.
Condealism
It is with great sadness that I announce that I have accepted the resignation of Lain Iwakura as ambassador of Libertatem to the Commonwealth, effective immediately.
I thank the ambassador for his brief service to our region and wish him the best in future affairs. Those interested in filling this vacancy, please send me your resume and a brief explanation of your interest. You can hold any other office in the region, so all Citizens except myself are eligible.
I'd be banned if I described the events that took place.
Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria
Awesome!
Teuberland
Hello Brethren,
The Commonwealth Regional University is hiring new professors and accepting new students!
It's a place to have fun and learn. It could be just for a fun learning experience or serious study. Either one, we are happy to facilitate!
At the moment we need two Professors of English
If anyone would like t teach Science as well and
Law.
http://commonwealthcollege.boards.net/thread/38/department-english
Pevvania
Bloody hell. I can only speculate as to how old you are but I'm really hoping it's sub mid 20s.
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria
aka early 20s.
Noice!!!!
Pevvania
24..
Lmao
Borderline...
I hope it was more Mrs. Robinson than Mrs. Doubtfire.
Muh Roads, Austex
Just curious... are they random, or do they know your mom?
MOVING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who wants to be ambassador to the Commonwealth?
Teuberland
What does it entail? I don't want to leave you sons of guns.
Sending a puppet over there, being moderately involved, and updating us and them on major developments.
Teuberland
Funny, I know a guy who's already doing that stuff - and he's sitting in your chair.
...Tell him to get out of your chair so that you can do it :P
I would love to resign to do that, but I've been told I'm not allowed to resign this time.
Told by who? I thought you were in charge here.
Besides, who's to say you can't be both a diplomat and a President?
Why, the Libertatem shadow government of course.
It just doesn't seem ethical. The President is essentially forbidden to be anything else.
You're a citizen of Libertatem, same as the rest of us. You got the WAR Act repealed because you wanted to have the same freedom of expression the rest of us do, for heaven's sake. Any citizen can be a diplomat with my approval, and you're clearly the most qualified man to represent us in the Commonwealth - you wouldn't even need to ask me.
If you just don't want to, that's fine - no volunteer ethic is absolute (I can attest to that). But if you're not doing it because you don't believe yourself free enough to, believe again. You're a Libertatem citizen first and the head of our government second; you've fought for the right of liberty, so what's to stop you from continuing?
That's my take on it, anyway.
Miencraft, Toxicflame
How is this is new update going to be beneficial to Libertatem?
Humpheria
That's a good question.
We gon' get turnt fam.
Muh Roads
They weren't bad to look at.
Lol, I'm a crazy guy.. but not that crazy.
...I met them online...
The Libertarian Movement party in Costa Rica is the most successful libertarian party in the world, with 57 seats in government and challenging the other three major parties as an equal player.
http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/09/17/costa-ricas-libertarian-lawmakers-show-latin-america-how-its-done/
You misread--it's four seats out of 57 according to Wikipedia, 2 out of 57 according to the article.
BUT STILL. That's an infinitely higher number than what the Libertarian Party USA has.
Rateria, Brasil The Hueland
The FDP used to be pretty successful. The liberal democrats in Australia have a Senate seat as well
Pevvania, Brasil The Hueland
Hey all I'm back sorry it's been a while
The New United States, Humpheria
Go Libertarians! We need you on Brazil!
The Regional Officer positions are below. If no one has any issue with this, we will make it law. If someone wants to write a law, telegram me and I will outline the parameters.
Vice-Delegate - Vice President
Homeland Officer - Chairman of the Board
Security Officer - Manager of War
Communications Officer - Manager of Internal Affairs
Diplomacy Officer - Manager of State
Research Officer - Chief of Staff
Miencraft, The New United States, Condealism
Vice-Delegate: Has Appearance, Border, Communications, Embassies, and Polls authority
Homeland: Appearance authority
Security: Border Control authority
Communications: Communications authority
Diplomacy: Embassies authority
Research: Polls authority
We can create a custom office to give it custom authority.
Miencraft, The New United States, Condealism
Oh, yay, polls are fun!
Humpheria, Rateria
The FDP is liberal, by definition, just liberals that are friendlier to free markets. But the FDP is still against guns and still believes in the European Union and magic of central banking.
Thank you for correcting me. I've heard conflicting reports about their direction though, whether they are becoming more conservative/liberal, or just keeping libertarian ideals to a back seat to be pragmatic. The article seems to suggest the latter, but Wikipedia suggest the former.
Teuberland
Welcome to [nation=short]Estonian Volunteers[/nation]! Good to see you here!
Do leftists even deserve the honor of being called liberals? After all liberal comes from liber--free, and leftists are generally, of course, against economic freedom to a large degree.
I personally call them of course leftists or I call them progressives.
"Progressive" is another honorific they do not deserve. Progress implies forward-thinking and tangible results; economic illiteracy and nanny-state promotion do little to achieve this.
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Lain Iwakura
Looks very noice brah
Humpheria, Rateria
Come to think of it, "leftist" isn't accurate either. Socialists and communists alike despise liberal policies, sometimes to a more extreme degree than conservative ones, simply because such policies are so terrible regardless of the context of the market they're applied to. (At least our promotion of economic freedom makes sense in a predominantly-capitalism-inspired world economy.)
So liberals/progressives/leftists, as one might refer to Democrat-like individuals as, are actually really far divorced from liberty, progress, and altruism. That leaves us with a predicament - what do we call them?
Miencraft, Rateria, Teuberland
I love you Humpy-bear.. but do you think of ways to expand the government before bed or???
No, you are right. Originally the label liberal was reserved for many current libertarians in the US, and so it would be an insult to actual liberals. As for me, I use liberal and libertarian interchangeably, although I tend to use libertarian to describe the more anarchist and "left wing" faction of liberals.
"Leftist" is a bad term as it presumes that liberals and libertarians are rightists - which is a falsehood. There is nothing right wing about libertarianism - the right, which prefers protectionism, conformity, and dogmatism, actually describe current "leftists" better. It is in fact the liberals and libertarians who are the real leftists, as they had been described 200 years ago and is still true today - leftists value liberty, natural equality, and rights. Rightists on the other hand demand state enforced equality, and hate liberty. However, as long as the opposition describes themselves as "left wing," will they not see the error of their mislabeling, it is then so far we liberals and libertarians are forced to be "right wing" and paired with fascists, monarchists, and neonazis.
What can we call them? "social democrat" is unwieldy, but describes a good portion, and works. To me "social liberal" is a contradiction in terms - one cannot hold liberal positions and illiberal quasi socialist positions at the same time! Personally, I also like to use the term "regressives."
It is a game function. Would you rather we not use it? It is just adding mechanical executive abilities to the existing Cabinet.
Muh Roads
I thought we had all agreed that the smaller the government, the better. Do you really want to give the government more power? Come on gents, I thought you were Libertarians!
All of that aside, what sort of plans for expanding government do you have, mister?
We are libertarians and I do like small government.
I was running a proposal on which Cabinet office to assign to the new Regional Officers roll-out.
The New United States
I was just having a go at you. None of that was really serious, save for the last question.
Renegalis, Muh Roads, Rateria
I know, I know =P
I'd like it to expand until it implodes. That sounds nice.
Welcome back by the way.
I leave for ten weeks and my party becomes defunct... *sigh* I suppose I will have to join aanother
Awesomeface1122 Embassy
Hi guys good morning.
Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, Toxicflame, Lain Iwakura, Awesomeface1122 Embassy
If there was any art movement that exemplifies libertarianism, it would be the neoclassical movement. Reason over the irrationalism and racism of the romantics.
Renegalis, Awesomeface1122 Embassy
Hello
Hi guys. Mr. President, why do people call you "Humpy Bear"?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MBFDYpTRjk
Then Minerva:
Surely there are too many conventions and ideals in neoclassicism?
I can't think of any one art movement that successfully typifies libertarianism.
How so?
The huuuge increase for socialism and progressive politics across the world is frightening. Sanders, Corbyn, SYRIZA, all of these huge spikes in socialist popularity are to the detriment of us. And what can the libertarian movement do when we are divorced from left and right? Should we adopt more leftist rhetoric like the early libertarians did and attempt to ride the wave?
Miencraft, Awesomeface1122 Embassy
Hump is in my nation name and my nickname and Muh Roads thinks he's funny.
Renegalis, Rateria
The rule of the New Right, which was popular from 1980 to 2015, is finally at it's death knell. Reviewing modern trends, we are transitioning into another age - one that might not be so friendly to capitalism and neoliberalism.
Am I wrong?
All art movements by definition are exclusive, especially with benefit of hindsight.
You know you love it.
Guess who's back
Back again
Pevvy's back
Back again
Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, Toxicflame, Lain Iwakura
OMG
Hey look something else for me to be #1 at.
I wouldn't go that far. First, I think the New Right era ended when 9/11 happened, killing all opportunities for an economically liberal Bush Presidency. And secondly, what we are seeing is a chain of insurgencies fuelled by angry welfare para-- erm, I mean, those dissatisfied with austerity policies. Here in the UK, the Conservative Party conference was a celebration, not just of the party's general election victory but also of Corbyn's victory. Just because a few hundred thousands want something it doesn't mean the rest of the country agrees with them. In the US, a Republican Congress and more than 30 Republican Governorships were recently elected, with the public still in a very conservative mood. Bernie Sanders will likely push Hillary Clinton to the left in the short run, making it more difficult for her to win the full election. Historically, the Democrats have only ever won three or more consecutive elections twice, in the Age of Jackson, 1828-36, and in the New Deal era 1932-48.
Syriza has had to abandon their Marxist ambitions and accept austerity, so I wouldn't say leftism is overtaking Greece. France will likely see Hollande lose to Sarkozy or whoever the Republican candidate is. Germany is still in the grip of Merkelania, or Merkelism or whatever. India's Modi is aggressively reforming the economy towards freer markets, and Xi Jinping wants to improve the Chinese economy's competitiveness also.
The world is looking pretty centre-right at the moment.
The New United States, Rateria, Condealism, Lain Iwakura
inb4 banned again
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria
Hello! I am the ambassador puppet for [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation]!
The New United States, Humpheria
Welcome, might I offer you a cold cup of RLPeach tea?
The Vistonian Ambassador
Hello everyone, it's me Markotovia. Just waiting for President Humpheria to give me the green lights to start my speech
Humpheria, The Dark Lieutenant, The Vistonian Ambassador
Why, I'd love some :P Thank you!
*whispers to Mark*
The Libertates are nice...
Markotovia In Libertatem, The Vistonian Ambassador
"I think they can hear us..."
The Dark Lieutenant, The Vistonian Ambassador
[I]"Oh well, then"
Unfortunately I do not share your optimism Pev. Also, I think Merkel doomed her next term with the refugee handling.
Oh, right. It's next week already. I'm so forgetful.
Welcome to Libertatem!
Anyone else watching the debate?
Teuberland
Green light.
Sorry I was out of the house for a while.
I left after Sanders said he predicted instability in the Middle East.
That place has been unstable since Babylon. You can say, "Oh, in 2067 there's going to be some major instability in the Middle East" and you know it'll be true. It's just not a place that lends itself to stability.
Renegalis, Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland
That's true. I'm liking Webb more and more as I watch though. He seems rather Libertarian, for a democrat.
Webb is my favorite. I liked how he smacked down Anderson Cooper.
Kings Island, Pevvania
That was probably the most entertaining thing so far.
I couldn't watch, especially Hillary going: America needs to stand up to the NRA. Or Bernie ranting on global warming
Miencraft, The New United States
No matter how much we get annoyed, we have to watch them to understand them.
Especially with what they propose. A lot of things they say are out of the land of milk and honey, that or they are for the children. Understanding these tropes and cliches are helpful to combating their ideology.
Rateria, Condealism
Webb is pretty Libertarian.
Nova Gharoukannia
I wasn't listening as much as I could have (then again that should be rephrased "I wasn't studying for the PSAT as much as I should have."). He seemed to emphasize foreign policy (that or all I heard was that he was a soldier during 'Nam). He came off more conservative to me.
If you actually listened, you would have heard that
A. He opposes foreign intervention unless absolutely necessary
B. He's always been a huge advocate for criminal justice reform
C. He wants to lower the size of government, generally speaking
D. He opposes environmental regulation
E. He opposes the NSA
I also know from his website that he wants to lower the corporate tax to twenty percent but eliminate all deductions, and end subsidies.
He's at least as Libertarian as Paul, if not more so. Not conservative at all.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Renegalis, Teuberland, Lain Iwakura, Awesomeface1122 Embassy, Nova Gharoukannia
That's not necessarily a good forecast for liberty. Centre-rightists have a tendency of doing what's politically expedient rather than acting on principle, which could further fuel leftism.
And who knows, perhaps the rise of Corbyn and Sanders might be a good thing. If they get put in charge and end up inevitably destroying western rule of law and liberalism as we know it, free market capitalism will start looking much more appealing again! The 1970s was the best political gift the libertarian movement could have ever received.
The New United States, Renegalis, Rateria
Libertarians are too radical, the center right is too incompetent, and I am certainly that everyone who believes in the magic of gobbermint is hopelessly and utterly evil.
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Condealism, Awesomeface1122 Embassy, Nova Gharoukannia
From a purely pragmatic perspective, I might in the future homestead some land in the middle of nowhere USA and hope the government never finds me. Only then could I ever have peace.
Renegalis, Awesomeface1122 Embassy
We need Neo-Libertarianism! Against guns and drugs, for small government, centralised federal government, the abolition of the NSA, laissez-faire economics, excessive liberties, and constitutionally restricted powers of the State and states.
Awesomeface1122 Embassy
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