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Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I don't remember who made it, but it has my full support.

Reason being? Security - it's all too common for newcomers to various NS regions to propose radical changes and cite democracy as the reason they want to make them, so we simply establish a waiting period for aspiring citizens to get acclimated in the region's atmosphere. It makes for a well-informed populace, and keeps us out of petty power struggles, which is a considerable relief.

I guess that makes sense. It just seems like a lot of hoops to jump through. I get the reasoning.

Jambion wrote:I guess that makes sense. It just seems like a lot of hoops to jump through. I get the reasoning.

You just sit here for ten days then you submit an application.

That's, like, one hoop.

Miencraft wrote:You just sit here for ten days then you submit an application.

That's, like, one hoop.

I thought more was required. My bad.

Jambion wrote:I guess that makes sense. It just seems like a lot of hoops to jump through. I get the reasoning.

Well, it's a hoop, at the very least. Of course, there's been some recent discussion that suggests a secondary hoop for foreign diplomats specifically (which requires them to wait 30 days instead of 10) is extraneous and worthy of removal.

I've found a minor problem with the amendment:

"Section lll

Defining managerial removal protocols

Subsection l

Reaffirms the protocols for managerial impeachment outlined in Section ll, subsections ii and iii within the Constitution of Libertatem"

The last line there should specify ARTICLE I, Section ll, subsections ii and iii. The rest seem perfectly fine to me.

Well, I mean, the Grammar Policeman in me wants to copyedit the whole amendment, but...

My point is to ask if it has any political problems, not accuracy or spelling errors.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I would support that as well. Would it be enough to consider such a log official Board policy, or would we additionally need to pass legislation on the matter to mandate the upkeep of such a log?

I don't see any need for specific legislation on this issue. Simply adding a public log as part of the Board rules has precedence.

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Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Well, I mean, the Grammar Policeman in me wants to copyedit the whole amendment, but...

My point is to ask if it has any political problems, not accuracy or spelling errors.

I have no political issues with the amendment. It seems to be a reasonable restraint on the size of government.

Funkytopia wrote:I don't see any need for specific legislation on this issue. Simply adding a public log as part of the Board rules has precedence.

Thank you, someone who finally agrees with me on that!

What does the rest of the Board think?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Thank you, someone who finally agrees with me on that!

What does the rest of the Board think?

Both the US House and Senate record votes as a matter of house/senate rules, rather than as a result of any statutory or constitutional requirement.

As a template for how a given log entry should look:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00270

I'd vote aye on the amendment.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I'd vote aye on the amendment.

As would I, though there are some who suggest it is too great a constraint on the President's power, and the inclusion of Deputy positions could result in unwanted bureaucracy.

I do not share those concerns, but I thought it would be worth pointing out. I forgot who said it, though...who was it again?

I am reconstructing the office of Internal Affairs, should have everything up and current as of tomorrow. Very busy night tonight, so my apologies for the delay.

Could someone TG me and get me up to speed with TTAs citizenship?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:As would I, though there are some who suggest it is too great a constraint on the President's power, and the inclusion of Deputy positions could result in unwanted bureaucracy.

I do not share those concerns, but I thought it would be worth pointing out. I forgot who said it, though...who was it again?

It's not as if we have to pay their salaries. :-) I think limiting to two deputies per manager is perfectly fine. During the liberation of [region=Gay Equality] and when dealing with other regions, I often felt restrained by what I could say on behalf of Libertatem, since I had absolutely no official capacity. By giving deputies limited authority to speak on behalf of our region, it will help us to put ourselves out there more and encourage greater involvement by citizens.

Funkytopia wrote:It's not as if we have to pay their salaries. :-) I think limiting to two deputies per manager is perfectly fine. During the liberation of [region=Gay Equality] and when dealing with other regions, I often felt restrained by what I could say on behalf of Libertatem, since I had absolutely no official capacity. By giving deputies limited authority to speak on behalf of our region, it will help us to put ourselves out there more and encourage greater involvement by citizens.

I'd agree with that.

Muh Roads wrote:I am reconstructing the office of Internal Affairs, should have everything up and current as of tomorrow. Very busy night tonight, so my apologies for the delay.

Could someone TG me and get me up to speed with TTAs citizenship?

*shrugs* I don't even know.

Well, it's been a pretty busy day, hasn't it?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Well, it's been a pretty busy day, hasn't it?

New president/vice president, victory over DK, condemnation of NK looking good, fantastic new board member....

I have been reading a lot of good books on The Proof the Bible is real and I would have to say that I'm convinced by now it's real.

Well, I mean, I have three copies of it in my room. I'm pretty sure the Bible exists :P

Of course the bible is real.

You can buy a copy, right?

Durr

"The bible is real!"

"No sh1t sherlock."

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:I have been reading a lot of good books on The Proof the Bible is real and I would have to say that I'm convinced by now it's real.

Which one? The Torah? Koran? Avesta?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Well, I mean, I have three copies of it in my room. I'm pretty sure the Bible exists :P

What it says is real.

Funkytopia wrote:Which one? The Torah? Koran? Avesta?

King James Version...

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:What it says is real.

I would assume so, yes.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"The bible is real!"

"No sh1t sherlock."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh4jbI241wk

The Liberty State wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh4jbI241wk

...This has to be the funniest thing I have seen all day long.

So I leave for vacation and Humpy is leaving us?

It seems like DK suffers from this now:

http://www.fearof.net/fear-of-bananas-phobia-bananaphobia/

So....uh...do I have to reapply for citizenship?

So, I'm taking that as a yes?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:It seems like DK suffers from this now:

http://www.fearof.net/fear-of-bananas-phobia-bananaphobia/

I think I made that joke already, but yeah - it's quite likely.

Der Besten wrote:So....uh...do I have to reapply for citizenship?

No, no worries.

Yay all done checking issues.. finally.. that took an hour! I think I have too many nations..

North Korea-Chan wrote:Yay all done checking issues.. finally.. that took an hour! I think I have too many nations..

I have that problem too. Some I just switch to only one issue a day, since I don't need to go that fast.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/87

This is cool.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I have that problem too. Some I just switch to only one issue a day, since I don't need to go that fast.

I have 57 raider puppets that I rarely answer issues on and 31 nations I keep in random regions or use as drifters and those I try to answer all issues..

I am sorta getting to the point where I need to make a few more drifters though.. that is why this little nation exists..

North Korea-Chan wrote:I have 57 raider puppets that I rarely answer issues on and 31 nations I keep in random regions or use as drifters and those I try to answer all issues..

I am sorta getting to the point where I need to make a few more drifters though.. that is why this little nation exists..

Stay here as long as you like. We don't mind. In fact, this place could use a bit of a pick-me-up right about now.

You guys like to invade stuff sometimes right?

Eheh.

Don't tell us on this RMB though. xD

When are we voting for a new President?

I just like to move nations to regions that might be potential allies.. speaking of raiding I'd better hide for the next hour! see you later!

The Liberty State wrote:When are we voting for a new President?

December.

At least, I think so.

Somewhere around then. I think the elections are technically in November, but I don't remember when the last ones were, so, y'know.

I think the last ones were in August, so therefore the next ones should be December, but I could be wrong.

Well now I have to make a choice about what I truly believe.

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The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:Well now I have to make a choice about what I truly believe.

You mean you actually believe things?

Looks like the world is ending, gentlemen.

Miencraft wrote:You mean you actually believe things?

Looks like the world is ending, gentlemen.

My religions having General Conference and something they said I felt was directed right at me.

The Fact I can't Support My religion and My beliefs of Human Free choice, Free Morals and Free Will at the same time...

They said these things after all.

1) We believe in Christ and Testify of him.

2) We should not create our own Morals.

3) All true Morals are God's morals.

4) Human Morals are false Morals.

5) The belief oneself is the highest authority is against the religion of Mormonism as the highest authority is God.

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:They said these things after all.

1) We believe in Christ and Testify of him.

2) We should not create our own Morals.

3) All true Morals are God's morals.

4) Human Morals are false Morals.

5) The belief oneself is the highest authority is against the religion of Mormonism as the highest authority is God.

But God gave you the ability to create morals, therefore, doesn't that make your created morals god's morals?

Man I hate religion.

Muh Roads wrote:But God gave you the ability to create morals, therefore, doesn't that make your created morals god's morals?

Man I hate religion.

No...God created straight outlines of which to follow and morals not in line with his are thus "man's morals"...according to the talks I just heard.

It's an issue of serving two masters. The Master God's Morals or The Master of the Natural Man's miarsl

In my church, we don't care much about the national Methodist church. We do our own thing. As long as you show up on Sunday and glare at the Baptists sneaking in the liquor store, you're good.

Jambion wrote:In my church, we don't care much about the national Methodist church. We do our own thing. As long as you show up on Sunday and glare at the Baptists sneaking in the liquor store, you're good.

Huh?

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:Huh?

It's an joke around here. We don't like the Baptists very much, they are holier-than-thou and proud of it. But, once Sunday passes, you can see them about town. The hooligans.

Jambion wrote:It's an joke around here. We don't like the Baptists very much, they are holier-than-thou and proud of it. But, once Sunday passes, you can see them about town. The hooligans.

Don't even get me started on Rosary Rattlers.

Jambion wrote:It's an joke around here. We don't like the Baptists very much, they are holier-than-thou and proud of it. But, once Sunday passes, you can see them about town. The hooligans.

What church are you?

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:What church are you?

United Methodist

Jambion wrote:United Methodist

Ah. I'm Mormon.

The religion that believes themselves to be holy, follows what is taught and then doesn't rub it in, but instead shares their beliefs with others in a down to Earth way.

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:Ah. I'm Mormon.

The religion that believes themselves to be holy, follows what is taught and then doesn't rub it in, but instead shares their beliefs with others in a down to Earth way.

I've never met a Mormon.

Jambion wrote:I've never met a Mormon.

Hi. I'm Time the Mormon

Slow day today, eh?

*returns to conference to see if he can get resolution on morals and social/moral issues*

Nope. Instead I'm now in question of if my economical beliefs are wrong now too.

Due to one talk speaking about being our Brothers keeper while promoting people to be self-relient. (I.E: He did say he wasn't advocating Coercion by government welfare programs)

Also one talk by another Mormon leader said we should not align ourselves with groups advocating.

- Human Morals

- Same Sex Marriage

- Abolition of Marriage

- Self-Interest in morals and money...

So....half of the Libertarian Parties Platform?

As promised, I have a functional IA office. The "Muh Roads" touch will be done to the fact books tomorrow.

I have an interesting thought-experiment to pose.

In [region=North Korea], they recently banjected a member nation for voting in favor of condemnation of their region. If Libertatem were in the same position, would it:

1. Constitutional to eject a member based on a WA vote?

2. Appropriate to do the same?

Here is a link to the relevant proclamation by their founder:

http://www.nationstates.net/region=north_korea/page=display_region_rmb?postid=8016746#p8016746

If you really want reasons, I think it'd just turn into some "Libertatem is the best" garbage that we all know is true by now so we don't need to repeat it.

Miencraft wrote:1. Nope

2. Nope

Miencraft wrote:If you really want reasons, I think it'd just turn into some "Libertatem is the best" garbage that we all know is true by now so we don't need to repeat it.

It's the answer I wanted to hear. I just think it's the best rebuttal of the leftist "Libertatem is fascist!"-trope that keeps getting thrown our way.

I almost wish that the Libertatem condemnation proposal made it to the ballot since: (1) I don't think it would pass and (2) our response would spotlight the intellectual intolerance endemic to "democratic-centralism."

Miencraft wrote:1. Nope

2. Nope

I love your flags.

Jambion wrote:I love your flags.

Thanks. I'm one of I believe two flag artists in the region, the other being Republic of Minerva.

You ever need a flag, come see one of us.

Who likes the idea of a Libertatem Wiki?

Pevvania wrote:Who likes the idea of a Libertatem Wiki?

Could be neat, but I doubt that many people would use it.

I mean, really, look at what happened to the newspaper.

Ya....i know. The newspaper....

Pevvania wrote:Who likes the idea of a Libertatem Wiki?

Like, a libertatem.wikia.com? Sounds cool.

Oh, hey, didn't notice before now, but as of this month, the Board has had documented membership for a full year.

In January, the position of Board Member would have been an elected one for a year.

I am one of many nations to hold a hallowed Board seat, and one of a few to head the Board as Chairperson. *salutes*

Anyways, I must to bed, for I must also see a doctor tomorrow morning.

Direct everything to Muh until I return.

Miencraft wrote:Oh, hey, didn't notice before now, but as of this month, the Board has had documented membership for a full year.

In January, the position of Board Member would have been an elected one for a year.

I assume the Board is like Congress. Right? When do we vote for that and can I run?

Jambion wrote:I assume the Board is like Congress. Right? When do we vote for that and can I run?

Each Board term begins at the start of a new month, and each election occurs towards the end of one. And only citizens can run, but you're only a few days away from that.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Each Board term begins at the start of a new month, and each election occurs towards the end of one. And only citizens can run, but you're only a few days away from that.

When can I be a Citizen?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Nine more days...

Okay, I remember now. Thank you.

Where can I find the laws and the Constitution?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/dcategory=1

The Amarican Empire wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/dcategory=1

Aren't you from The New British Empire?

I've told you where I am from already.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I've told you where I am from already.

You changed your flag... don't do that it's confusing..

Miencraft wrote:Slow day.

Indeed. I don't like it; things should be active.

Board Members! Earlier I requested your opinions on the following:

Funkytopia wrote:I support a public, official log for Board votes, with the possible exceptions of decisions regarding sensitive regional security matters. It's important that the voters know for certain where their elected officials stand and an official log will help to ensure that votes are counted correctly.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I would support that as well. Would it be enough to consider such a log official Board policy, or would we additionally need to pass legislation on the matter to mandate the upkeep of such a log?

Funkytopia wrote:I don't see any need for specific legislation on this issue. Simply adding a public log as part of the Board rules has precedence.

And

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=lack_there_of/detail=factbook/id=305782

Lack's proposed Amendment

The Amarican Empire wrote:Keep up vandoosia!

No i in my name..

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Board Members! Earlier I requested your opinions on the following:

And

Lack's proposed Amendment

What rules of order do we follow? Both proposals seem relatively cut and dry- do you need to be seconded to bring the legislation to a vote?

Funkytopia wrote:What rules of order do we follow? Both proposals seem relatively cut and dry- do you need to be seconded to bring the legislation to a vote?

I don't know. It's kind of hard to gauge the interest of either proposal when none of the other three Board members have anything to say about it.

Has anyone else here had a choice to make or had someone you trust tell you your completely wrong morally?

My religion has General Conference which is where all church authorities speak to the Mormons via TV, Radio and Internet.

My Morals have always been that my religious beluefs were my morals but everyone could choose their own morals and I should support them in these. That's why I was a Libertarian and supported the freedom of people to choose their morals.

However yesterday 3 people spoke on the difference between God's Morals and Men's Morals. That God's Morals were the only true morals we should support and while we shouldn't be mean or hostile to those who don't share this belief. We should only support and promote God's morals as letting them have their morals while you had yours was not neutrality but promoting the teachings of the adversary.

So I'm offered a choice I have to make. Man's Morals or Gods morals. Of course this makes me ask if Organized religion is right and true or if it all fails. I believe in my religions books and that Joseph Smith was a prophet, but I don't know if my religion is still true or if it's fallen under man's influence like all other religions.

I know I have to make this choice myself but anyone who can offer an opinion or thought on my delima is welcome as I need all the help I can get as this decision will change everything for me.

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:Has anyone else here had a choice to make or had someone you trust tell you your completely wrong morally?

My religion has General Conference which is where all church authorities speak to the Mormons via TV, Radio and Internet.

My Morals have always been that my religious beluefs were my morals but everyone could choose their own morals and I should support them in these. That's why I was a Libertarian and supported the freedom of people to choose their morals.

However yesterday 3 people spoke on the difference between God's Morals and Men's Morals. That God's Morals were the only true morals we should support and while we shouldn't be mean or hostile to those who don't share this belief. We should only support and promote God's morals as letting them have their morals while you had yours was not neutrality but promoting the teachings of the adversary.

So I'm offered a choice I have to make. Man's Morals or Gods morals. Of course this makes me ask if Organized religion is right and true or if it all fails. I believe in my religions books and that Joseph Smith was a prophet, but I don't know if my religion is still true or if it's fallen under man's influence like all other religions.

I know I have to make this choice myself but anyone who can offer an opinion or thought on my delima is welcome as I need all the help I can get as this decision will change everything for me.

I'm not trying to be offense or rude, but haven't you said this exact thing like five times since I've been here.

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