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Region: Libertatem
Where is the bill so I can read it?
AYE!
The vote hasn't started yet. And that's precisely what I'm worried about...
Since I am technically going to be involved in the amendment, I guess I could update the WFE.
so the vote has started?
I hereby give my approval for this amendment and vote, myself and all my puppets in the region, for it, totaling 2 votes. Let's get the third needed to pass, people.
i vote Aye on the PROCESS ammendment
I vote AYE, as do my two remaining puppets.
Does anyone here know anything about the Quaker faith?
Results:
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5+Liberosia_puppets/24
Sorry about that CP of US. I vote Aye on Conidealisms bill
Considering CP voted for, that's
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2/6
6+Liberosia's/24
How many do you have, Liberosia?
Just one puppet, the Law of Libertatem. That makes to citizen votes and one approval from my end. Let's get this passed asap.
I do believe I will vote nay.
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And one nay.
ISA, the amendment has democratic provisions for the Board?
Don't mind him. He's anti-progress.
How long until the act is passed?
I vote yea.
Prussia, I will put you down as a member of the RLP.
We need 16 more citizen votes on the RMB or the rest of the government for it to pass.
CP is also a member of the RLP.
1/1
3/6 (halfway)
9/24 (three more sevenths)
*four more sevenths
I'm for progress it's just I remember you saying on Chatz you only wanted to do this so we could actually vote in active people, and that's admirable but I don't believe you have a genuine want for democracy. I also believe that as long as we have a corrupt system as we do now, where puppets can vote, there is no point in an actual democracy movement until we can fix some of these issues.
Well, take it or leave it. I'm not going to accept a second attempt to introduce democracy, and if you want to criminalize puppets you'd better start writing legislation on it.
The PROCESS Amendment is a great step forward in the democratisation of the region, and I encourage everyone to vote for it.
Also, in recruiting nations for a joint-raid with another region. We need to get active in the War again! How long has it been since the region had a coordinated, organised military? Joining up with the Libertan Army is paramount to greater success in the War on Communism.
Post self-deleted by Pevvania.
Once PROCESS passes, I will be putting the REAGAN Treaty on the floor.
The military should be in charge or recruitment. Pevvania should create a joint bureaucracy to deal with recruitment.
That's...not a bad idea.
I don't like the military control part but the second part sounds reasonable. I'm still not on board though.
If Pevvania is having an organized military, it would make sense for recruitment to be a part of it.
The military should have to do with defence and raiding. Let a single person with workers under him operate recruitment. Unless you want a military run police state region?
Or maybe we SHOULDN'T enforce a mandatory recruitment plan in the first place?
i actually like the joint beuracracy that way any prospective member gets a look at the political side and the military side of the region.
Why do we need a bureaucracy at all?
CI something needs to be done about the stagnant state of our recruitment or we will cease to grow. it seems to me that all previous attempts at recruitment have been unorganized and unsuccesfull thus we are where we are. we cannot aford to not do anything because you dont want any gov. growth. however the idea of a small group of people who's soul purpose in gov. is to recruit for the region in an orderly fashion is not a bad idea. i propose we create a "committee" so to speak. one member for each feeder region. this "committee" will draw up an effective recruitment letter that they will distribute among the newly founded members of each region thus creating an increased possibility of growth
Or we can give our citizens the tools to recruit successfully for our region and let them do it at their leisure. I don't think there's a nation here that can handle recruitment as a permanent job.
Shush dammit! Try and Find another failing region such as our own on the brink of collapse and invite them all here. It may take some work but it can be done.
Ill start looking.
....i like this idea....
Already asked the people at The Confederate Union, look for regions where people say they are bored or the region sucks. Look under the tags Libertarian.
PROCESS:
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Guys, I REALLY need some of you to sign up for Operation: Purple Hammer. It will be a raid in cooperation with another region I won't mention here. To incentivise some of you, first one to sign up immediately gets the rank of sergeant!
I vote aye for PROCESS.
Updated my 'Ignorant Criticisms of Ronald Reagan' factbook to dispel the rumour that he ignored AIDS.
"the Delegate will be the supreme authority in the region unless challenged by existing constitutional law"
What does this mean, CI?
It means you can't do anything the constitution says you can't that the amendment has not revised. It also means future constitutional amendments can prevent you from performing particular actions as well.
PROCESS:
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That's rather stupid to put in there since everyone has to abide by the constitution and amendments that are, or will be, put in there.
Back when that statement applied to the founder, it meant he could transcend the constitution. Now it is not so.
I, along with my three puppets, vote NAY on the Process amendment.
Let me spell this out then; we need twelve more citizen votes in four days.
And for the record, ISA and Snabagag, you should be ashamed of yourselves. One of you didn't want democracy at all and the other of you wanted democracy for everything, and I made concessions to both of you...yet neither of you accept this! How could you?
Quit acting like we're criminals here. You can have your 15 minutes of fame and throw a pity party but I support a true democracy not this shoddy crap you threw together. So enough of your pointless accusations and deal with it for once like a big boy.
OR we could just live with the fact that we disagree on some things. No, I don't agree with the we-both-agree-on-this-major-point-so-ignore-the-minor-point thing for all areas, but that doesn't mean we need to start name-calling and the like.
Just cool it.
Mark my words, ISA - you will not get it here. This is the closest we will ever come.
Once the amendment is passed, I mean.
Your this self-proclaimed ultimate legislator but if I wanted to I could create my own democracy bill and try to get it passed. So quit pulling an Obama by trying to sell a bad bill because I ain't buyin'.
Okay. Write a bill then. Try to get it passed. But whether it does or doesn't, enough of this name-calling stuff. Please.
I reiterate: this amendment has my full faith, confidence, and support. It is fair, balanced, and a compromise.
ISA, I highly recommend you vote for this as a step towards your ideal. Every small victory counts, remember.
Snabagag...I get it, you don't like democracy, but it's time to make concessions.
Liberosia the thing is that this bill is a faux. This region will never have a true democracy as long as multiple puppets can vote and people are constantly greeding for power instead of actually wanting to fix the region. I vote no because I care about the people and I care about a true democracy.
The region isn't supposed to have true democracy - it was based on a business structure Liberosia came up. This democracy thing requires some major retrofitting in order to work.
*came up with
This is and should NEVER be a true democracy. At most, it must be a Republic, with a balance of powers and rights protected from the government and the mob.
ISA, you can push additional legislation later, and it will be easier, but you can't change the system in one sweep: you wouldn't have enough support.
A true democracy to me is a republic, a capitalist republic. If you would have taken the time to read the DRP outline I created and my political positions you would see that I support a constitutional republic. You see in an absolute democracy with no constitution or basic guiding principles you can do whatever the majority wants. A large majority could suppress a minority so when I say that I support a democracy I don't mean a wild one I support the American style of democracy.
The way the game is set up is to have a monarch and another leader. So we can't really establish any other government. On the other hand AYE!
The American style of democracy, might I remind you, has electoral president votes and no votes for the justices whatsoever.
If you picture the Board as Congress, the Delegate as President, and the Managers as the Supreme Court, that's EXACTLY what I'm doing. "American democracy" my eye.
I already counted your vote, CP.
We can all sit here and argue over our preferred democracy and our vision but I think it's high time that you all quit trying to sell me this crappy bill and just accept that I'm against it. I voted no and I said why and I don't need you all to sit there and attack me over it.
They aren't. They're just clarifying some things about it.
Thanks for leading me on, then, ISA. "I will", "I won't", "CI's a nice guy", "CI's threatening to destroy the region"...stop it with the mixed signals, ISA!
Quit your pouting and move on.
From what I am hearing I diagnose ISA with Bipolar Disorder and my term "Chronic Period."
Or he can't make up his mind.
Sheesh, CP, make a puppet and keep it here. :P
Now this is just insulting. I make one vote and now everyone is against me and even one is giving me his diagnosis of bi-polar syndrome.
And it's just gonna seem to get worse if people don't just chill it.
You were the one that was ASKING for democracy. I think we're all a little insulted that people less enthusiastic about it than you are still support this move to introduce democracy into Libertatem.
Think about it. It'll be just like that American model you like - the Board makes up the legislative branch, the Delegate is the executive branch, and the Managers are like the judicial branch.
I already made my vote. Now stop pushing it and move on.
Okay, fine.
I can call you whatever I want this is a democracy isn't it. And I am backing up my friends do you have a problem with that? I don't care what you vote for. Not one bit because I care about myself, then my friends and family. I don't care about idiots like you, don't waste my time.
Whoa. Too far, CP. That's a personal attack, and we just finished debating the issue.
Guys.
Sorry, I take things to way too far after other people take it too far.
Let it all out, things have been tense around here lately and I'm sure we all need to get a little rage out.
I am for this bill, though I am new to this region. I feel that its an important step towards a free government. ISA we will work on the puppets very soon. Besides how long will the Board terms be
Also on the contrary, I would like to announce my resignation from the RLP and I would like to be a part of the Democratic-Republican Party
One month terms.
Thank you, Idealism
Send me a telegram about your background info and political positions.
Conservative, I have been in RLP for a while now can we put it next to my board member name?
I know that. You got removed from the Board, and when they put you back on they forgot to add your party back. I thought they'd fix it.
You guys have to get a government together. The region has historically had an oligarchic tinge to it, and now with the new democracy, there's going to have to be more participation in the government. More individuals and more debate are needed.
Also, join the Libertarian Party.
Ok, just checking. Yeah I was inactive because I totally forgot about nation states then I saw Max Barry's name and I went HOLY SH*T and ran and got on the computer.
No, join the Reaganist Libertarian Party.
*cue someone saying, "No, join the Democratic-Republican Party!"*
Libertatem Pub is a region that I made almost as a Bar role play where national leaders are served by yours truly and talk to each other good idea?
The Libertarian Party, where anarchy is what's up...sort of.
The DRP is open to moderates and we're the only one with a cool banner on our factbook.
The Reaganist Libertarian Party. Because, to Reagan, the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.
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