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Region: Libertatem

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Tupolite wrote:I am not an Arab, nor am I identifiable by anyone looking at me as anything other than "Mediterranean."

To be an Arab, one would have to be intimately familiar with the Arab way of life, such that it constitutes the foundational pillar of their identity. Middle Eastern cultures more generally are alien to me. I was not raised in one, was not named or taught to speak in the Arabic language, and was not brought up in either the Islamic or Christian religious traditions familiar to Arabs. I was raised in an Italian family coming from Naples, was named accordingly, and brought up as a Roman Catholic in an Italian community with a respect for my heritage. No part of what I am is substantially anything other than occidental.

For all your obnoxious claims to stand against bigotries and whatnot, you sure have a tendency to put greater emphasis on the superficial, material aspects of what defines a man rather than the genuine content and substance. What else is to expect from a materialist?

I enjoyed the people of the Campanian countryside. And the carnivals. The people of Naples were great, but in the late 1980s, the City and regional government were broken beyond all repair. It now makes more sense why you believe the way you do.

Would you be interested in reading: L’intelligenza del denaro: Perché il mercato ha ragione anche quando ha torto by Alberto Mingardi?

Tupolite

Narland wrote:I enjoyed the people of the Campanian countryside. And the carnivals. The people of Naples were great, but in the late 1980s, the City and regional government were broken beyond all repair. It now makes more sense why you believe the way you do.

Would you be interested in reading: L’intelligenza del denaro: Perché il mercato ha ragione anche quando ha torto by Alberto Mingardi?

"Why the market is right even when it's wrong"

I see what you're trying to do here.

I am afraid you slightly misunderstood. My family is Neapolitan but they emigrated to the brothel of the Freemasons

Tupolite wrote:I am not an Arab, nor am I identifiable by anyone looking at me as anything other than "Mediterranean."

To be an Arab, one would have to be intimately familiar with the Arab way of life, such that it constitutes the foundational pillar of their identity. Middle Eastern cultures more generally are alien to me. I was not raised in one, was not named or taught to speak in the Arabic language, and was not brought up in either the Islamic or Christian religious traditions familiar to Arabs. I was raised in an Italian family coming from Naples, was named accordingly, and brought up as a Roman Catholic in an Italian community with a respect for my heritage. No part of what I am is substantially anything other than occidental.

For all your obnoxious claims to stand against bigotries and whatnot, you sure have a tendency to put greater emphasis on the superficial, material aspects of what defines a man rather than the genuine content and substance. What else is to expect from a materialist?

U mad bro

Jadentopian Order, Highway Eighty-Eight

Auxorii wrote:U mad bro

If you had to deal with Wilhelm, you would go mad as well

Auxorii, Kongeriget Island

I would like to officially endorse Kongeriget Island to be the next First Consul of the region.

Kongeriget Island

Auxorii wrote:I would like to officially endorse Kongeriget Island to be the next First Consul of the region.

We could pretty much gather that with your voting for him.

Narland wrote:Anti-authoritarian and Anti-totalitarian suits me fine. Less is more when it comes to politicking. I want to vote for someone who is both anti-Communist and anti-Fascist.

Practically speaking, Libertatem is neither. I intend to move the region in that direction.

Additionally, I am 100% in agreement with you in principle. As a conservative American that accepts the Austrian understanding of the economic science, I am opposed both to Marxism and to the fascist total state, philosophically as well as economically.

That being said, communism is clearly a far greater and more present danger to the western world than "fascism." It is popular to be "anti-fascist." It costs nothing. It is virtue signalling. It is utterly meaningless in the real world. To be anti-communist is to take a stand against the leftward tide that threatens the destruction of western civilization. I therefore prioritize anti-communism over "anti-fascism."

That prioritization carries over to NationStates, where Libertatem's historical and greatest threat is the communist left.

This is why I support Tupolite for First Consul.

Regardless of Tupolite's political disagreements, he actually has a vision for the region - a vision which does not contradict Libertatem's founding and enduring principle of anti-communism - and he has a plan to achieve that vision. Nothing against Lib, but he does not have such a vision.

Between two individuals of radical (and to many here, unsavory) political persuasion, I will choose the one that has a real plan that will benefit the region.

I hope you all will vote with me for Tupolite, for a more active and engaged government. Let's Make Libertatem Great Again.

Tupolite

Auxorii wrote:I would like to officially endorse Kongeriget Island to be the next First Consul of the region.

There is an irony in someone who half-identifies as a Sephardic Jew endorsing someone who views him as literal Satanspawn who emits "evil waves" which can physically harm someone

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Tupolite wrote:There is an irony in someone who half-identifies as a Sephardic Jew endorsing someone who views him as literal Satanspawn who emits "evil waves" which can physically harm someone

Well, bringing in my race/religion is a perfect way to get me to reconsider.

Highway Eighty-Eight

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Italy's development owes more to Freemasonry than the United States, so much so that the three "Fathers of the Fatherland" or what have you were all Freemasons and Garibaldi made a point of making Italy's formation a Masonic event.

This is true, but the likes of Garibaldi and Mazzini accomplished Italian unification in the historical context of semi-liberalism being an improvement over the pre-modern state of affairs. Liberalism, by the time of WWI, however, degenerated from overextending its welcome in the plane of ideas, and so America and Freemasonry are today also degenerate for representing the values of liberalism.

This brings up that region holiday idea I had actually. I was going to give one to Giuseppe Mazzini on the logic that he would appeal to me as an Italian nationalist and also to you as a Freemason.

After all, you must be familiar with how Mussolini and Gentile praised Garibaldi and Mazzini not just for their pan-nationalist efforts but also for their construction of a vision for the Italian nation that deviated from the typical liberalistic formula such as that of Britain or America, just as they also venerated Bismarck for doing as much for Germany. Yet Mussolini was anti-Masonic in spite of praising Garibaldi and Mazzini. Everything must be evaluated in a certain context.

Auxorii wrote:Well, bringing in my race/religion is a perfect way to get me to reconsider.

The point still stands on its own, regardless of the degree to which it sways you.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Raiding and defending is a useless waste of time for Libertarians. It only benefits the totalitarians.

Disarm Libertatem 2020

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Raiding and defending is a useless waste of time for Libertarians. It only benefits the totalitarians.

Lol do you know how this region started?

Narland, The New United States

The New United States is a patriot and a veteran who's made many massive contributions to the region, and has my full endorsement.

The New United States, Tupolite

Pevvania wrote:The New United States is a patriot and a veteran who's made many massive contributions to the region, and has my full endorsement.

Thank you, my friend!

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Raiding and defending is a useless waste of time for Libertarians. It only benefits the totalitarians.

Could you elaborate on the reasoning behind that assertion?

Jadentopian Order wrote:Disarm Libertatem 2020

- The Red Fleet

Pevvania wrote:Lol do you know how this region started?

To be fair we were an Empire back in the day, which is kind of funky for a region called Libertatem.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:a fascist (who's only attachment to the region is amusement)

You do me a disservice. In case you hadn't noticed, I actually appreciate the company.

Lol, look at us voting for our next fascist overlords

Narland, Tupolite

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:For the record, any lack of cooperation woth Libertatem's supposed "close allies" in the last year is not the fault of anyone in Libertatem, but those "close allies" who have either been incapable of keeping their region from falling in actual battles over petty disagreements, are dead because they lacked a real community, or have nearly ceased to exist because their authoritarian leaders suffocated their community. Libertatem has made multiple attempts at increasing dialogue and cooperation with the named regions (and others) only to be ignored, or given a half hearted response of interest followed by nothing more.

As such, I've focused more on improving the region itself, such as the functionality and security of the Discord server, the actual establishment of the government we are electing new servants to, and promoting community (essential to any successful region) and community activities (as opposed to top down government activities, which are always weak and fleeting).

And as for the insult of me being a virtue signaller because I think voting for a fascist (who's only attachment to the region is amusement) into a leadership position in our libertarian region... My response is that I most certainly am an anti-communist, and have shown myself to be a person dedicated to my principles and to genuine anti-authoritarianism without hypocrisy. Me no longer engaging in useless tagging of regions does not mean I am all talk or whatever other insult you can pull out of air.

While I do not appreciate that I am the subject of discussion, I do appreciate that Wilhelm and TNUS are at least in a debate, in a manner of speaking

I’m not exactly enthused to be making this statement, but whatever.

Tupolite, despite having an ideology completely antithetical to mine and most of yours, is someone who I believe is genuinely invested in this region. Let’s not forget how he sold out Lib for attempting to subvert the region. Do I agree with his views? No. Do I believe he has genuine care for the region? Yes. I can say the same for Lib. I’ve kept in contact with Lib in his time away from the region, and he is still the same goofy icelander that he has always been. Probably a bit less racist now, I hope.

The spirit of Libertatem has always been about the freedom of ideas. For christ’s sake you all welcomed two well known “terrorists” back into the region with open arms! Both candidates are genuine and I wholly believe that everyone running in the elections cares for the region. To say any of them are not is completely and utterly false.

Pevvania, Auxorii, Rateria, Tupolite, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Of course raiding is a waste of time. It was never about defense.

Ultimately it just became a fun game of destroying regions based on whether we agreed with their ideology or not; everyone knows the story, this was proven that small regions were being raided that posed no threat but were targeted because, “all communists are threats”. So much for free thought.

Libertatem should only be interested in defending itself.

Auxorii wrote:Of course raiding is a waste of time. It was never about defense.

Ultimately it just became a fun game of destroying regions based on whether we agreed with their ideology or not; everyone knows the story, this was proven that small regions were being raided that posed no threat but were targeted because, “all communists are threats”. So much for free thought.

Libertatem should only be interested in defending itself.

Reform Party 2020

Miencraft, Auxorii, Jadentopian Order

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Yes, and I can say confidently that raiding and defending is a waste of time and Libertarianism hasn't actually benefited from it. Only totalitarians do. Libertatem has never actually been very capable at raiding, despite the myth that we, (and sometimes TRF) wish to to perpetuate (TRF, because sometimes they need different reasons to exist).

Of course raiding and defending has done good for libertarians on NS. Libertatem itself was born out of the R/D game. It created a community that you and I and everyone else here cares deeply about, regardless of our differences and regardless of how we now feel about raiding. So I would not necessarily say it hasn't done any good.

Besides, it's a game. I, like a lot of people, entered NationStates with a love for the politicking and the intrigue and the war. I don't think that anyone has illusions about changing the world through Libertatem's War on Communism, but it's fun and builds community.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Libertarianism is (and should be) an ideology of intellect and not of "we can mass large numbers of 14 years olds who like the aesthetic of the USSR to take over your region, despite the fact that you'll just found a new one" they do it and gain members and unity because their ideology is based on bandwagon, coercion, and the bulk of their numbers is young teenagers. Libertarians should be focusing on being a light in the darkness and not waste time of painting small (probably founderless)

easily replaced regions (which is what REATO did).

That's why I, in my platform, took a more holistic approach to the War on Communism. During the War's heyday, military, clandestine, and intellectual fronts were all equally important aspects of the same initiative. Those ought to be the three pillars of our foreign policy vis-à-vis communism on NS, and I will work hard in my elected term (if I win) to make that foreign policy a reality.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:R/D isn't really a serious aspect of the game anymore. The ability is mostly gone.

I mean, not entirely. It might be a greater challenge than it was six or seven years ago, but it's still a possibility. Espionage has always been the most effective tool in the R/D game and still can be used to effectively subvert and/or destroy regions.

Just look at what we accomplished in CAPS - the crowning jewel of our war. That kind of operation is still a possibility, but we have to really strive to develop and keep friendships abroad, which it appears we have given up on.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:For the record, any lack of cooperation woth Libertatem's supposed "close allies" in the last year is not the fault of anyone in Libertatem, but those "close allies" who have either been incapable of keeping their region from falling in actual battles over petty disagreements, are dead because they lacked a real community, or have nearly ceased to exist because their authoritarian leaders suffocated their community. Libertatem has made multiple attempts at increasing dialogue and cooperation with the named regions (and others) only to be ignored, or given a half hearted response of interest followed by nothing more.

It takes more than inter-governmental dialogue. Real regional friendships are formed when the emissary immerses themselves in and becomes a part of the region to which they are sent. They ought to develop friendships with the government and with the regional residents through regular participation in the RMB and such.

Reliable alliances can be formed this way, and that is the approach I'd be committed to.

The question that came to my mind as I read that, however, is: if you have completely given up on foreign affairs, why are you Second Consul? Shouldn't you run for First or Third?

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:As such, I've focused more on improving the region itself, such as the functionality and security of the Discord server, the actual establishment of the government we are electing new servants to, and promoting community (essential to any successful region) and community activities (as opposed to top down government activities, which are always weak and fleeting).

Listen, I really do appreciate and thank you for all you have done and continue to do for the region. All of that is super important, and there is no foreign policy to care about if there is no regional community in the first place.

But I'm running for Second Consul because I am passionate about military and foreign affairs. I am eager to put in my all to create a modest but prepared military and to really strengthen the bonds of friendship with partner regions. I'm not sure exactly why you want to retain the Second Consul position when you are entirely focused on domestic issues.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:And as for the insult of me being a virtue signaller because I think voting for a fascist (who's only attachment to the region is amusement) into a leadership position in our libertarian region... My response is that I most certainly am an anti-communist, and have shown myself to be a person dedicated to my principles and to genuine anti-authoritarianism without hypocrisy. Me no longer engaging in useless tagging of regions does not mean I am all talk or whatever other insult you can pull out of air.

I did not intend for that to be an insult, and I apologize if it came off that way. You contrasted yourself from me by calling yourself an "anti-fascist." I was simply stating my position that, while I am in principle opposed to fascism, there is no utility in me identifying myself as anti-fascist. What I care about is anti-communism, which is the principle upon which this region was founded and which was explicitly central in our region's successes.

If I came off as insulting in any way, know that it is not personal and not intentional. Apologies.

Pevvania

Auxorii wrote:Of course raiding is a waste of time. It was never about defense.

Ultimately it just became a fun game of destroying regions based on whether we agreed with their ideology or not; everyone knows the story, this was proven that small regions were being raided that posed no threat but were targeted because, “all communists are threats”. So much for free thought.

Libertatem should only be interested in defending itself.

Communists are, by their very nature, subversives. They are dangerous in any quantity and have been repeatedly proven wrong with 100s of millions of bodies and counting to show for it. They will infiltrate and destroy any institution of power they see fit

Pevvania, The New United States

Miri Islands wrote:Communists are, by their very nature, subversives. They are dangerous in any quantity and have been repeatedly proven wrong with 100s of millions of bodies and counting to show for it. They will infiltrate and destroy any institution of power they see fit

And the best defense is a good offense.

Pevvania, Miri Islands

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Auxorii wrote:Of course raiding is a waste of time. It was never about defense.

Ultimately it just became a fun game of destroying regions based on whether we agreed with their ideology or not; everyone knows the story, this was proven that small regions were being raided that posed no threat but were targeted because, “all communists are threats”. So much for free thought.

Libertatem should only be interested in defending itself.

No, you don't know the story, because you were not here in the region's prime.

Miencraft, The New United States

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Yes, and I can say confidently that raiding and defending is a waste of time and Libertarianism hasn't actually benefited from it. Only totalitarians do. Libertatem has never actually been very capable at raiding, despite the myth that we, (and sometimes TRF) wish to to perpetuate (TRF, because sometimes they need different reasons to exist).

All wrong. Our successes were many and well-documented, as evidenced by TRF's multiple attempts to destroy Libertatem and REATO. Raiding is not "totalitarian", we did it to stop the Communist onslaught. And even the regions that were "peaceful" who were targeted deserved it, because they were Communist, and raiding is fun.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Libertarianism is (and should be) an ideology of intellect and not of "we can mass large numbers of 14 years olds who like the aesthetic of the USSR to take over your region, despite the fact that you'll just found a new one" they do it and gain members and unity because their ideology is based on bandwagon, coercion, and the bulk of their numbers is young teenagers. Libertarians should be focusing on being a light in the darkness and not waste time of painting small (probably founderless)

easily replaced regions (which is what REATO did).

Cool except we destroyed quite a few communities irreparably and slowed or stopped the expansion of Communist militarism in many areas. The North Korean regions, The Cooperative Union, The New Communist Region, and of course CAPS.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:R/D isn't really a serious aspect of the game anymore. The ability is mostly gone.

That's true, that component of the game was gutted, but that was beyond our control.

The New United States

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:He has the story right.

No, he doesn't, and neither do you. If you read the history of the region - again, which is very well-documented - you would see that.

The New United States

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"Look, I took over a small founderless region with the help of fascists, this sure did advance libertarianism!"

Complete BS. You're just openly repeating Red Fleet propaganda now. Under my first presidency 2013-2014, we actually cut ties with all fascist regions and disavowed them. You really don't know what you're talking about.

The New United States

Really, we have been drooling over the idea of reigniting some grand war against Communism forever. The truth is, no one is active enough and we don’t have the strength to get anywhere near TRF or whatever organization runs that show now. We’re better off becoming a defender or something like that.

Tell me, what minds are we changing by attacking some worthless communist region founded by some people just playing the game?

Auxorii, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Kongeriget Island

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Pevvania wrote:No, you don't know the story, because you were not here in the region's prime.

I do know the story. As soon as I was admitted into the barracks I saw what was happening, then released that information to the public of Libertatem and was swiftly banned from the region and me and my friends subject to a completely bias and secretive investigation that was meant to kill our political party. The final blow being you guys raiding our discord server and demanding entry because “respect Mien’s authoritah” (in your own discord server). Such libertarians.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:That has been more or less settled in your favor.

Regardless, my point still stands.

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You know, if I was active any sooner perhaps I should’ve considered running.

Tupolite, Kongeriget Island

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:So what I'm getting from this poll is that we are electing a fascist, with ties to enemy regions, into our government. That's swell. No need for LLP or LEF we've got BOF now!

If it makes you feel better, I was thinking of leaving NA anyway. It's pretty dead, and to the extent that the region ever had direction, I can't say that I wholeheartedly endorsed that direction.

Also, Aux was leader of an enemy region

Tupolite wrote:

Also, Aux was leader of an enemy region

To be fair, it was love/hate.

Auxorii wrote:To be fair, it was love/hate.

I also loved/hated this region or I wouldn't be here.

The only people who legitimately hate this community are those who haven't experienced it, I feel

Okay it is obvious I am going to lose, but it's nice seeing the RMB full after coming from school for a change. Congratulations Tupolite

The New United States, Auxorii, Rateria, Tupolite

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:So what I'm getting from this poll is that we are electing a fascist, with ties to enemy regions, into our government. That's swell. No need for LLP or LEF we've got BOF now!

EDIT: leader of enemy regions*

I'm currently the sole judge of this region, don't be so dramatic.

Auxorii

Kongeriget Island wrote:Okay it is obvious I am going to lose, but it's nice seeing the RMB full after coming from school for a change. Congratulations Tupolite

And congratulations to you as well, for you seem to have succeeded in your goal of reanimating this place

The New United States, Auxorii

I'd just like to see something happen. The regional government, myself included, have been lame ducks. I'm nowhere nearly active enough on discord for effective governance. That's the whole reason I didn't seek reelection. Maybe these elections will inspire folks to actually participate in the region instead of sitting here debating Libertarian ideas whilst our region slowly dies.

The New United States

Skaveria wrote:I'd just like to see something happen. The regional government, myself included, have been lame ducks. I'm nowhere nearly active enough on discord for effective governance. That's the whole reason I didn't seek reelection. Maybe these elections will inspire folks to actually participate in the region instead of sitting here debating Libertarian ideas whilst our region slowly dies.

No offence but this place has been dead now for a long time

Tupolite

Congratulations to [nation=short]Tupolite[/nation]!

Rateria, Tupolite, Kongeriget Island

Congratulations to Tupolite, the Second Consul election is up. Good luck.

The New United States, Rateria, Tupolite, Kongeriget Island

I’ll be running for Third Consul.

Everyone please take the time to read my latest factbook, “the Auxor Plan”, to see my plans for the region.

Tupolite

Tupolite wrote:...

Now then. I would sincerely like you to consider reading a book on market economics. if not the one asded, at least something by Hayek. I think you have it in you consider freedom as a the only viable alternative to authoritarianism.

Pevvania

Don't forget that the new consulate will be appointing the next Justice. The term is up for that as well.

Y'all know who the best judge in the region is

Rateria, Tupolite

I have a soft spot in my head for stuff like this:

https://apnews.com/721bb463922ef156626ef839abf40b9a

Girl, 11, brings AR-15 to Idaho hearing on gun legislation By KEITH RIDLER February 24, 2020

***anecdote alert***

I was able to skip the BB-gun stage and go straight to a 22 rifle and matching pistol when i turned seven after demonstrating responsibility. Because of idiot Federal Law, my uncle had to "own" the pistol until I turned 21 even though it was in my gun safe. I used my other grandfather's 30.06 to help gather elk for winter food and was taught how to load my own ammo.

Every other year from 4th grade onward, we (students) were told to bring our weapons to school for them to be checked by a peace officer (usually a deputy or forest ranger -- one year it was a guardsman from an air base) for safety and training. Imagine trying to do that in today's "Brave New World." It never crossed our minds to murder anybody no matter how much we disliked them. Of course public school students back then read the Bible, prayed for our enemies, and we were taught to do good to those who hate and are spiteful to us. Not to mention boys weren't drugged up on a psychotropic cocktail of "meds" in order to make them act more like good little schoolgirls until they crack and go on a murderous rampage.

There is no reason why, like Switzerland and Israel we should not teach our children to handle weapons responsibly.

***end anecdote alert***

Pevvania, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Y'all know who the best judge in the region is

Me

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Me

The best non-retired judge

Rateria

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Welcome to Libertatem, [nation=short]Aluminum Water[/nation], [nation=short]La Riba[/nation], [nation=short]Cardi Beance[/nation], and [nation=short]Nich-land[/nation]!

What brings y'all here?

Rateria

Nich-Land is my best friend IRL. He’s also a big time Jew. Ashkenazic.

The New United States, Rateria

Also a big welcome back to [nation=short]Rotgeheim[/nation].

Miencraft, Rateria

Narland wrote:Now then. I would sincerely like you to consider reading a book on market economics. if not the one asded, at least something by Hayek. I think you have it in you consider freedom as a the only viable alternative to authoritarianism.

And I suppose I should recommend to you The End of Laissez-Faire then

Auxorii wrote:I do know the story. As soon as I was admitted into the barracks I saw what was happening, then released that information to the public of Libertatem and was swiftly banned from the region and me and my friends subject to a completely bias and secretive investigation that was meant to kill our political party. The final blow being you guys raiding our discord server and demanding entry because “respect Mien’s authoritah” (in your own discord server). Such libertarians.

Come on man that was nearly three years ago, get over it.

But if you really knew what we were doing and why we were doing it, you would not have illegally leaked it to the public.

Miencraft, The New United States

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The history that is actually written to glorify Libertatem?

Classic, attacking the source instead of the content.

FYI to all residents, if you want to hear war stories actually consult the people that were involved in them.

The New United States

Narland wrote:Now then. I would sincerely like you to consider reading a book on market economics. if not the one asded, at least something by Hayek. I think you have it in you consider freedom as a the only viable alternative to authoritarianism.

'Economics in One Lesson' by Henry Hazlitt is a great start, I think.

The New United States

Tupolite wrote:And I suppose I should recommend to you The End of Laissez-Faire then

Keynes was demonstrably wrong on many, many things. The only thing I'll give him credit for is that he did invent macro.

Miencraft, The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Come on man that was nearly three years ago, get over it.

But if you really knew what we were doing and why we were doing it, you would not have illegally leaked it to the public.

It was an operation completely designed to take down our political party, no? Is not that what that was?

I am announcing my intention to run for the third consul. My first public service in Libertatem was in the office of internal affairs, since then I have found that out of all of the jobs required for keeping a regional government running it is the one I have the most passion for. As the first third consul of our new government I have had the experience necessary to know how to effectively run the citizenship application's, citizens rosters, internal polls, and keeping the region factbook up to date in the appropriate fields. I am once again asking for your trust and support in this task, I look forward to helping Libertatem revitalize its activity and will be ready and willing to aid in what ways I can.

Rateria, Kongeriget Island

Auxorii wrote:It was an operation completely designed to take down our political party, no? Is not that what that was?

Honestly so much has happened in my life since then that I struggle to recall all the details of the affair. But I remember that the Reform Party was conspiring against the Libertatem government on a number of fronts and illegally colluded with the owner of an enemy region (you) after you'd been banned, justifiably, for putting regional security at risk. The RP was designated a terrorist group and even after you and your comrades were banned, you were actively working against us. Is that not what happened?

Miencraft

Auxorii wrote:I’ll be running for Third Consul.

Everyone please take the time to read my latest factbook, “the Auxor Plan”, to see my plans for the region.

Question as a prospective voter: I read your plan, and how can we as citizens expect you to uphold your oath to the region when you don't repudiate the violations of law and acts of civil unrest you committed in the Second Republic? Furthermore, is it a good idea to call for a "Reformation", invoking the name of a past terrorist group, and to call the Libertatem government "tyrannical"?

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:With all due respect, posting this makes you look like such a d!ck right now.

Sorry man I'm just asking questions

The New United States

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Pevvania wrote:Honestly so much has happened in my life since then that I struggle to recall all the details of the affair. But I remember that the Reform Party was conspiring against the Libertatem government on a number of fronts and illegally colluded with the owner of an enemy region (you) after you'd been banned, justifiably, for putting regional security at risk. The RP was designated a terrorist group and even after you and your comrades were banned, you were actively working against us. Is that not what happened?

Never conspired against the government; only participated in democratic elections, of which I always won and my legislations always got passed-I also had the highest approval rating of anybody in government at the time. We had been getting on your nerves after me and Venom overturned Humph’s pardon. That’s when you went out to get us.

Pevvania wrote:Question as a prospective voter: I read your plan, and how can we as citizens expect you to uphold your oath to the region when you don't repudiate the violations of law and acts of civil unrest you committed in the Second Republic? Furthermore, is it a good idea to call for a "Reformation", invoking the name of a past terrorist group, and to call the Libertatem government "tyrannical"?

I didn’t commit any crimes in the Second Republic. The only thing I was ever guilty of was releasing classified information on a ‘general server’ (despite other members discussing military affairs on the general (Especially voice) chat numerous times and it was simply “not a big deal”). Classified information that proved my point. I only ever released that information actually because you were running for President at the time and were continuously lying saying that military operations weren’t based off of ideology. I proved you wrong and instead of ever acknowledging that fact you just hide behind some vague laws that were broken plenty of times before.

You can trust me to uphold my oath because everything I have done has been in line with my values, and I have never gone back on my word. I have been consistently in favor of my platform and have been consistently loyal to my allies. I have consistently done things in line with my beliefs even if it meant the worst for me, because it was the right thing to do and most people understood that.

The past Libertatem government was tyrannical; and no, I have no issue invoking the name of a former “terrorist” organization, because I've shown you that that terrorist designation was a political attack.

Highway Eighty-Eight

Auxorii wrote:I didn’t commit any crimes in the Second Republic. The only thing I was ever guilty of was releasing classified information on a ‘general server’ (despite other members discussing military affairs on the general (Especially voice) chat numerous times and it was simply “not a big deal”)

I recall accidentally leaking information in general or something and Humph basically just told me that it was alright and to be more careful, and just asked me to apologize.

Auxorii, Highway Eighty-Eight

Pevvania wrote:Keynes was demonstrably wrong on many, many things. The only thing I'll give him credit for is that he did invent macro.

Obviously, neither you nor he would treat Keynesian economics seriously. My point was that there is no way I could be made to take Austrian economics seriously either.

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Jadentopian Order wrote:I recall accidentally leaking information in general or something and Humph basically just told me that it was alright and to be more careful, and just asked me to apologize.

I actually remember Humph and Pev talking in the general voice chat about military operations while the trial was going on and Hyder would go in, they’d stop talking, he’d go out and then he’d go back in and they were talking military. It was brought up to Mien but basically meh’d.

Obviously the case was bullshit. They tried me for treason I mean lol; for something that for everyone else was nothing...

Auxorii wrote:I actually remember Humph and Pev talking in the general voice chat about military operations while the trial was going on and Hyder would go in, they’d stop talking, he’d go out and then he’d go back in and they were talking military. It was brought up to Mien but basically meh’d.

Obviously the case was bullshit. They tried me for treason I mean lol; for something that for everyone else was nothing...

At least your region didn't get raided when you were away by a bunch of communists and feederites.

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Question as a prospective voter: I read your plan, and how can we as citizens expect you to uphold your oath to the region when you don't repudiate the violations of law and acts of civil unrest you committed in the Second Republic? Furthermore, is it a good idea to call for a "Reformation", invoking the name of a past terrorist group, and to call the Libertatem government "tyrannical"?

I think you're overlooking the key issue that his platform would call for the establishment of the WA Delegate as a codified government official.

There's a reason we replaced the Delegate with the President. It's not a good idea to give power in a region to an office that can literally change hands at the whim of other regions.

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Miencraft wrote:I think you're overlooking the key issue that his platform would call for the establishment of the WA Delegate as a codified government official.

There's a reason we replaced the Delegate with the President. It's not a good idea to give power in a region to an office that can literally change hands at the whim of other regions.

You have an executive founder that you've done a fairly good job of preventing from CTE'ing. I don't see the problem with it myself.

The New United States

Auxorii wrote:Never conspired against the government; only participated in democratic elections, of which I always won and my legislations always got passed-I also had the highest approval rating of anybody in government at the time. We had been getting on your nerves after me and Venom overturned Humph’s pardon. That’s when you went out to get us.

I didn’t commit any crimes in the Second Republic. The only thing I was ever guilty of was releasing classified information on a ‘general server’ (despite other members discussing military affairs on the general (Especially voice) chat numerous times and it was simply “not a big deal”). Classified information that proved my point. I only ever released that information actually because you were running for President at the time and were continuously lying saying that military operations weren’t based off of ideology. I proved you wrong and instead of ever acknowledging that fact you just hide behind some vague laws that were broken plenty of times before.

You can trust me to uphold my oath because everything I have done has been in line with my values, and I have never gone back on my word. I have been consistently in favor of my platform and have been consistently loyal to my allies. I have consistently done things in line with my beliefs even if it meant the worst for me, because it was the right thing to do and most people understood that.

The past Libertatem government was tyrannical; and no, I have no issue invoking the name of a former “terrorist” organization, because I've shown you that that terrorist designation was a political attack.

Well you also ran the RP from a foreign region against a court order which was very illegal; you had only been banned for a month up to that point.

The New United States

Jadentopian Order wrote:I recall accidentally leaking information in general or something and Humph basically just told me that it was alright and to be more careful, and just asked me to apologize.

Intentions matter. We know that Commies and Misley-ites have monitored our Discord before, so intentionally leaking details of a raid is a really bad thing to do that puts our military ops (which are fully justified) in jeopardy.

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Well you also ran the RP from a foreign region against a court order which was very illegal; you had only been banned for a month up to that point.

The Second Republic doesn't even exist anymore. If this election should go to prove anything, it's that the Consulate can serve as a new beginning for us all.

Jadentopian Order

Tupolite wrote:The Second Republic doesn't even exist anymore. If this election should go to prove anything, it's that the Consulate can serve as a new beginning for us all.

Fair point, I am fine with that. Aux is here and so is Lib, and I of course believe in forgiving and forgetting, but it's a little concerning when he won't even acknowledge his past actions.

Miencraft wrote:I think you're overlooking the key issue that his platform would call for the establishment of the WA Delegate as a codified government official.

There's a reason we replaced the Delegate with the President. It's not a good idea to give power in a region to an office that can literally change hands at the whim of other regions.

I actually never defined the WA delegate as executive in my platform-understanding the reason for that.

The reason for having the President and WA delegate be the same person is because I was deriving off of Tupolite’s idea of “canalizing the process of submitting WA proposals with regional support”. I think this could be done by having a democratically elected president who is also active as WA delegate. This can even be a non-executive WA delegate.

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Fair point, I am fine with that. Aux is here and so is Lib, and I of course believe in forgiving and forgetting, but it's a little concerning when he won't even acknowledge his past actions.

Well, look at me. I was thoroughly criticized by a certain someone for taking certain controversial positions, especially offsite where the majority of debate occurs, but I was elected because I had a plan and made a promise. (That no one brought up the controversies surrounding my opponent was odd, but this is irrelevant.) Whatever you have to say about Aux, he drafted a plan which was well thought out. Libertatem needs more officials who haven't been infected by the disease of arbitrariness. This whole community has fallen into a malaise about it, a malaise lasting for the vast majority of the time I have been a part of it. At some point, the less selfish thing to do is to bury meaningless grudges from a bygone era and pledge cooperation to work towards a better future.

The New United States

Tupolite wrote:Well, look at me. I was thoroughly criticized by a certain someone for taking certain controversial positions, especially offsite where the majority of debate occurs, but I was elected because I had a plan and made a promise. (That no one brought up the controversies surrounding my opponent was odd, but this is irrelevant.) Whatever you have to say about Aux, he drafted a plan which was well thought out. Libertatem needs more officials who haven't been infected by the disease of arbitrariness. This whole community has fallen into a malaise about it, a malaise lasting for the vast majority of the time I have been a part of it. At some point, the less selfish thing to do is to bury meaningless grudges from a bygone era and pledge cooperation to work towards a better future.

Also fair points, but Aux seems dead against restarting offensive military operations, a position I do not share.

The New United States

I realize that we likely don't have the time or the numbers to restart the war like it was in the old days, but I also do not believe we should throw up our hands and give up. It's always better to aim high than low!

The New United States

Also, for anyone moralizing about how "un-libertarian" it is to raid Communist regions: this is a free online game, nobody is really losing anything. The NAP does not apply here lol

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Well you also ran the RP from a foreign region against a court order which was very illegal; you had only been banned for a month up to that point.

Again ^ despite the fact that the case was a sham to begin with, the whole notion of me “running the Reform Party” while I was banned is stupid and is based on some illegal authority that Mien assumed he had in my private discord server. It’s a stupid notion because the Reform Party at the time was interregional, of course I was still running the party, at the time me and Vista Major were trying to expand more into the CoFN.

Face it, it was a ridiculous trial and was completely orchestrated to kick me and my party out of the region.

Also, funny enough, Libertatem then basically died in terms of activity and Humph actually tried to get me to return, “for the sake of activity”. If that doesn’t show you how much of a joke the case was, then I don’t know what will get you out of your little bubble.

Pevvania wrote:Also fair points, but Aux seems dead against restarting offensive military operations, a position I do not share.

Looks like you didn’t read my platform fully:

“Our military needs to be used for the defense of the region. I strongly believe in rebuilding Libertatem’s military and having a strong defense operations team, including an interregional spying database where we can asses threats posed by regions and have a fully operational military without compromising our values.”

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