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Chairman is a low rank in a way. He can't have the most, or close to the most power. I was in another region and it went into total chaos due to something similar to this.

A smaller government?

Ugh....

Look. If I could call all shots, which I know I can't, we'd have no leadership in the region now. We'd have a militia for defense.

So, I promote having three main managers (state, defense and diplomacy) and a founder. That's all. Nothing more or less.

NST, you're a nazi expert. Did the Germans have judicial review?

Well, depends on which region:

The GGR had all powers basically in the Reichsdelegete of the WA. Mandatory endorsement of everything thing Communist Destroyer did. And he could do anything he wanted.

The NSL had all powers in the Wehrmacht. Ayran Shield Command could get away with anything, but was generally lenient on his orders. But he took no suggestions. No review of anything, just orders.

Other Nazis, and Fascists, do not have Judicial review. Usually, in a Nazi Region, Power rests in the military. The founder tends to be a puppet fo the military or inactive, and the local Wehrmacht sets up as absolute dictators. What they say is law.

Some Nazi-leaning regions had a "people's opinion" poll, but those who voted against the Führer tended to be booted as "red spies".

I see. Your opposition to judicial review makes sense.

He's not a Nazi, Macallan.

Just sayin' Makes sense now.

Hey. Macallan. F-ck You.

I am arguably the most libertarian person here. Hell, I'm considering calling myself an Anarcho-Capitalist. Ayn Rand is my personal ideological hero, along with Rand Paul as my favorite American leader (with Glenn Beck and Gary Johnson). I hate government. I want to see government burn. I believe the less authority here, the better.

I ROLE-PLAYED as a Nazi for EDUCATIONAL Purposes. I rolplayed as a Communist, Nazi, Liberal, Conservative and other things. I've read Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. I believe I CAN NOT hate something without understanding it fully.

And I never said I was against Judicial Review. I said that I support making three main managers, elected for two week terms, and the founder who has LIMITEd rights to simply ban invaders and create embassies when instructed by diplomats.

So, I'm not a Nazi. If anything, your more like a Nazi than I am considering you are not as libertarian as I am.

My visit to FFS was not very constructive. Macallan and Rebelland, I'm sure you're happy about that. Everyone else, I don't think it's going to work out with them. For enough reasons, debated and so forth, we're just too different. I believe they're fundamentally just not with us. I do believe in their President though, Balkans, as we are good allies. As for the rest...

Looks like I hit a nerve with you. Why so mad?

If you don't believe me, READ MY FORUM POSTS. I have always been a libertarian. Always. Even when I was in the GGR, I voiced my libertarian opinons on NSG.

We are not fundamentally with you because you will not listen to reason.

Well, you've essentially called me a Nazi. Everyone calls me a Nazi because I wanted to understand Nazism. Sorry, I like to actually know what something is instead of saying "Your a Nutsiy!"

Reason? What Reason? Neo-Con Reason? Or LIBERTY?

You don't dictate our politics. At all. How can I get that through your thick skull?

Representative Democracy. Your version of "liberty" involves having centralized government with a privileged few.

Nothing, Macallan, you're a joy to talk to on the internet.

I have the thick skull? You seem to think that authoritarianism is democracy! How many times did I try to get that through your thick skull?!

Actually, My version of liberty is anarchism. Why don't you leave if you dislike it. Are you FFS? Neo-Con garbage? You don't believe in liberty, but forced morality.

And what privileged few? Commie?

@Macallan

Just sayin....Don't call me a Nazi. Don't associate me with Nazism. I'm descended from Polish-Russian Jews. Nazis would hate me.

Yes. No. We're talking about regional sovereignty.

Actually, all government is authoritarian. There is a central authority in any governing body. Confederal Democracy is the most decentralized, which is what I support if I would have to pick any government.

I come from a region dedicated to freedom and capitalism. Anarchism is a scourge that is NEVER an acceptable alternative form of government.

Good night to all. Please don't trash the region, Xikrannovic.

Don't worry, I am going to leave you guys to your own failures as a region.

Xikrannovic, as much as I appreciate you adding to the region's population, please leave.

You can have this thermos of tea on your journey back *offers thermos*

You call real liberty a scourge? Freedom is the absence of authority or dominance, therefore Anarcho-Capitalism is the most free form of living ever.

You are dedicated to institutional theft and democide through government. And you support regulation. Regulation =/= liberty.

LIBERTY IS ABSOLUTE.

Let the record show that I did offer tea.

Yes. I'm going to work on a New Amendment. The LIBERTY Amendment.

I'll have it up tomorrow. We'll vote on it.

"Elections outrageous? Shrinking the size of government outrageous? Eliminating appointments by me outrageous? Reducing my power outrageous?

Wow"

Yes, and we should dissolve the Congress in the US to make the government "smaller."

Thanks for the vice WA position I am honored that I have made such a good impression in under the month that I have been here. I have been a nomadic player and switch regions every few months. I feel that I have finally found a permanent home.

Actually, the ratio of Congressman to citizens is one to thousands (tens of thousands, even). If we were to operate like that... I am for Congress in the US, but in NS, I have a slightly different view.

There is a difference between checks and balances, and bureaucracy. Making bureaucracy smaller is one thing but "streamlining" checks and balances is entirely different. That's what you're trying to do here.

Well, if we had basically direct elections for anything not military or foreign, then we'd be fine.

Again, please TG me if interested. We need both Military Volunteers and people for my minarchist party in the NSG Senate.

Well, that's NST's idea. I don't advocate it, but I don't absolutely hate it.

It doesn't matter. Making all legislative powers under one "chairman" means little representation.

Well, we changed that after negative feedback. Isn't that what democracy is about? Different ideas?

First of all, I don't want to see an argument like that on the RMB again - it's bad business, and I don't particularly care who started it. (With one exception - I would like to stress that [nation=short]Rebelland[/nation] is intentionally posting inflammatory comments defaming the region without bringing anything remotely useful to the table. It is in the common regional interest that he leaves, whether willingly or by force.)

Second of all, I think we should put any modifications of this scale to the constitution at this point to rest. Our government works well as it is, and I don't think we're ready for extreme changes. If it helps, however, I will draft an amendment to improve and simplify already-existing constitutional phrases and remove loopholes.

My current amendment, the LIBERTY Amendment, makes the only authority the founder, secretary of state (WA), defense and diplomacy. There will be no "chairman" idea.

I'll have it up soon.

Here - I found an amendment I previously drafted, and revised it to serve the purpose I had in mind.

Also, since I do call for the Vice WA position (which really isn't very important) to be removed, we can offer our current VWA the Chairman of the Board seat as consolation until we decide to do away with it.

Con-Idealism, where did you get that idea? I care very much about Libertatem-my home.

It is a sad day when questioning the government in a region called "Libertatem" is treason. Your comment really upset me.

NST, so there will be absolutely no representation? What the hell is this?

No banjections will occur, of course. PATRIOT Act sets the guidelines.

Rebelland. Representation will become decentralized. All internal affairs will be voted on by the population.

All Military and Foreign Affairs will be controlled by Secretaries. The Founder's rights will be set into stone.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_sea_territory/detail=factbook/id=120088

My current proposed act. I ask for support for this, since it does decentralize authority by setting founder's rights officially, cutting out unnecessary government and using direct democracy for internal affairs.

"All Military and Foreign Affairs will be controlled by Secretaries. The Founder's rights will be set into stone."

But isn't Liberosia highly against democracy?

Shut up. Why don't you move if your just going to insult everything. You apparently don't like it here.

You can stay if you want, but this is the proposed legislation.

Rebelland, you obviously don't know how to govern a region. Plus, you need to leave it up to Liberosia. Leave.

"But isn't Liberosia highly against democracy?" This is what I'm talking about - these baseless and degrading insults.

No offense, NST, but I don't know anyone who would be bold enough to support that. Plus, it essentially throws the constitution out the window, not something I'm a fan of.

I am not for absolute democracy: mob rule. I am for the idea of a Republic.

Any big things going on lately?

It's absolute democracy only for internal affairs. All the major things the regional government needs control of (military, police, foreign affairs) is representative.

Nothing big really.

Guys. I got an idea.

The Libertatem Olympics.

The Olympics. Like it?

...I'm confused as to how this would work. Would you mind explaining it a bit more, please?

People from all over the Libertatem compete for the gold. Swimming, track and all the other things. Lol. But imagine how much it will benefit us. 😄😄😄

Lol I put the Libertatem.

Lol. How would you know which nations won?

Whoever had the most winners I guess. Lol gotta think it out.

Libertatem would be a little better with fewer positions in the regional government.

?!?!?!!? I think If we had an idea a LITTLE more thought out than just a random RMB post would help. Not a bad idea just need some more detail to how this would get done.

I'm not a big fan of role-playing.

Anyway, I would like some input on my proposed amendment before I send it to the hopper for process. Keep in mind that this will eliminate the Vice WA position...oh, and if anyone notices any needlessly wordy passages in our constitution that I haven't mentioned here, please bring it to my attention. Thank you.

If the people of Libertatem wish to have even fewer government positions, I can abridge my amendment to take out two board positions. One board member could be re-assigned to the Chairman of the Board position (preferably Miencraft or TCLF), and another could be removed (for instance, RedBadge, who has unfortunately fallen to inactivity). Keep in mind that this would be a major change and I would certainly hesitate in making it.

We just have to think and rethink. We can't make any ridiculous mistakes or the region will be thrown into chaos.

That is why I am asking for multiple opinions.

Also, to our two newest government members - have you expressed to Liberosia interest in any of Libertatem's political parties (or attempted to create your own)?

Sorry for clogging the RMB further, but...

I would like to announce the grand return of The Lone Star Party, now headed (at least in this region) by myself. If you would like to join, telegram me and I will add you to the roster on my factbook. (If you are a non-government member and would prefer confidentiality, I can exclude your name from the roster - but you must still tell me, and preferably Liberosia, that you would like to join.)

I'm starting the Anarcho-Capitalist party.

I think the Libertarian Party already takes the little-to-no-government thing and runs with it.

Ok. I'll start the Imperial Freedom party.

Capitalism mostly. Increasing military, education, and healthcare.

Check out my factbook.

I'm not really a fan of public education (and am a staunch opponent of compulsory public education), public meaning government-funded. I also don't believe in public healthcare - the private sector does a far more efficient and fair job.

I beleave in almost total privatization. Got to go. See you later.

Pardon, government-run. Though, in essence, it's practically the same thing.

See you later, Einsiev.

I prefer total privatization. I believe the people can run the economy by themselves and can be very moral. In the off-chance they aren't, there should still be a small government around in order to enact justice.

Just performing a background check, guys.

Region status: Active.

Population count: High.

This is the main region. Citizens of the Empire are advised to move here.

Alright, it just goes to show that this is the crown jewel of the Empire.

I'll join an Anarcho-Capitalist Party, since AnCaps will probably advance this more to a minarchist state than regular libertarian conservatives will.

I see good relations on the horizon with the region New Republica.

I would like to start a political party. I call it the Representation Party. We believe in a more representative form of government in Libertatem, with a Representative body of 5 members, and making Liberosia the Executor, so he can choose to pass or veto laws. And the Reps can choose to overturn it with a 4/5 majority- so that means that only if it is obvious that Liberosia is clearly in the wrong, he will do as he wishes. That is only a portion of the reforms our party calls for.

All right, it seems unique. Telegram me your plans and so forth. Also, acquire some more members.

If you would like to be leader of the DRP, it would also represent those ideals.

Look in my factbook, Liberosia.

Okay...I don't think your reforms could be passed with an amendment, as it is a broad restructuring. Please write a constitution that you would advocate (you can take parts of our existing constitution and make modifications). Also, I highly recommend you become the leader of the Democratic-Republican Party, seeing as the description, "party for moderates and pro-democracy members; no specific economic ideology", fits your ideals. You can hone the Party's ideology with your reforms and details if you want, maybe make your motto "The Party of Representation".

*It's possible your reforms could be passed in a new constitution/system of government

Ok, Liberosia. I am willing to do that too. How do I become it?

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