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Region: Libertatem
Anyone else having some trouble with NS at the moment, or is it just on my end?
I've been having NS++ issues for pretty much all month, and NS just up and died entirely for a few hours yesterday, but other than that everything here is fine.
This.
Speaking of, check out what the Security Council is voting on...
We're well prepared for this.
Ha.
Hah. That brings back memories.
Ya fired
So, who's celebrating Arnie Day this year?
Me
Pevvania
Looking at my dossier from when I was actually very active a year ago, it's sad to see so many nations and regions have CTE'd. I didn't know Lack There Of CTE'd, and it's dissapointing to see all iderations of The Federal Islands have been raided or just don't exist anymore. Oh, how times change.
Actually, The Federal Islands was refounded by Shallowell, and The Federal Islands 2 (the rebel region) was taken by REATO to prevent further insurrections. Only The Federal Islands 2Nd Gen has fallen into enemy hands (but they were nice enough to save a copy of the WFE, which is nice).
I had forgotten about the rebellion version of the region, jeez that was a long time ago it seems like. But it's just that none of them even matter anymore. I did swear there was a Federal Islands 3 at some point, but I could be wrong. Did not know that Shallowell is now in Libertatem either.
What has happened to all of the conservative idealism puppets?
I sent half of the ones that still existed to the graveyard about a month and a half ago.
The way you worded that made me think of Yu-Gi-Oh
"With that attack from Slyfer The Sky Dragon, I will now send all of your puppets to The Graveyard."
Won't be funny unless you used to watch the show, but still funny to me. Worth noting. Whatever
I summon a political idealist in attack mode.
That's sad. After the Texacoe disaster, TFI became a good-hearted region that I'm happy to call an ally to ours. Where did its people go to?
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I don't see how that is relevant when I was talking about what Marx wrote.
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Most of them ceased to exist - a few are now Libertatem citizens.
Do you even read bro? This passage is probably one of the greatest pieces of evidence that Jesus was an anarchist. As anyone with a rudimentary understanding of the Bible would know, the one who asked Jesus whether He paid taxes was trying to get Him to admit that He didn't pay any (which He didn't), which would have enabled the Romans to arrest him. Jesus responded with a reply that baffled those around him. What it meant was that the monetary system was owned and operated by Caesar, and so the money produced in question was literally his. As we understand, Jesus managed to take down fiat money and taxation in one quote. If you don't believe me, ask Jacques Ellul, who is not an ancap but a Christian anarchist. "'Render unto Caesar...' in no way divides the exercise of authority into two realms....They were said in response to another matter: the payment of taxes, and the coin. The mark on the coin is that of Caesar; it is the mark of his property. Therefore give Caesar this money; it is his. It is not a question of legitimizing taxes! It means that Caesar, having created money, is its master. That's all."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar#Christian_anarchist_tax_resisters
And if you'd bothered to read the linked text (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=l87jCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=jesus+is+an+anarchist+anti+state&source=bl&ots=AZHLgjhpRv&sig=rh8alg8IemG8HpicYMHRAydoLhU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eliEVd2pHYbT7Qb1moD4BQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=render%20unto%20Caesar&f=false), you can see that Jesus Christ refers to tax collectors as "sinners", only paid the 'Church tax' in order to fulfil the prophecy made in the Old Testament, declared in Matthew 17:24-27 that those who do not pay taxes "are free", and declared that on Judgement Day God would "execute the heads of many countries" and "gather all the kings in a pit" to "punish" them. The Anti-Christ, according to the Bible, will be a ruler who comes to strengthen government around the world in the final days of Earth's existence, who Christ will return to stop.
Capitalism has got nothing to do with rich people. Historically under all systems, most people get rich by using the state or some other violent system like feudalism to rob and exploit people. Capitalism can never make an already rich man better off than a poor man. What is it to a a man worth $10 million to have his wealth decupled to $100 million, compared to a man worth $2000 to have his wealth decupled to $20,000?
This quote in particular is referring to a state agent - i.e., somebody who procured wealth through theft and coercion, which are outlawed by 'Thou shalt not steal'. But even so, Jesus was condemning not rich people but false idols. 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me' is the second of the Ten Commandments, and warns against false idols. For this rich state agent, he cared more about his reputation and, more importantly, his wealth than God. So Jesus is perfectly OK with people earning lots of money, just not via theft or putting its value above that of God.
>claims not to be a bible thumper
>thumps the communist manifesto
>worships marx and government
>lol
The New United States, Lewayiin, Condealism Envoy Unit One
Why are you called FactCheck when all that you bring here is fallacies, lies and misinformation?
Marx was an economically illiterate, lazy, envious crank. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA2lCBJu2Gg
Did you not notice I deleted my posts after ai realised I was wrong, the posts were deleted before you made the response.
That's nice.
Has not worshipped government in any post, has not said communism was good or bad, I think you just jumped too many conclusions, I was saying the difference between statist communists aka marxists and anarcho-communists.
I regrettably made those posts then read the book.
You came here to defend North Korea and TI for harbouring a fascist, with a little bit of "an"-com apologism on the side. The conclusions I jump to are nearly always right.
I find it funny how you didn't quote my other deleted post I made, I was in the middle of reading the book and said I might be proven wrong, it was the last post I made in the 4 posts, after that I deleted them for being not factual.
He WAS an an com, I don't know how you could still not know this, that was why he was in TI as it accepts an coms, he is NOW a fascist.
Stop trying to poison the well please, it is not a very intellectual thing to do.
That's nice. I'll keep up the post for educational purposes, then.
I don't really care what kind of commie he was, because 99% of "an"-coms in this game believe in the state.
Poisoning the well would be polluting a commonly owned piece of the environment, which is a violation of the NAP. But it seems like this well is painted red.
If they believe in the state, then they are not an an com.
I will show you an example of an an com.
https://youtu.be/-R__krjhwnM
In this video this an com shows his distaste for statist communists it is this simple, I still don't see how you don't get this.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or genuinely don't know that term.
So you don't even respect your own argument enough to just leave it be and admit you're wrong.
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It was wrong, why should people read something that is incorrect.
What does 'Coffee vs Gangs' have to do with communism?
The former.
Why shouldn't they?
Even when wrong, one can still learn from the errors made. Anyone that respects their own argument will leave it for everyone to see even when they are wrong.
I am sorry, I must have tried to copy the video while the ads were still on, I will amend this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PhkXpdD8aVw
This is what I meant to post.
Go to 2:20
I don't see why you would respect that which is wrong.
Because it's your own argument?
Because you can learn from errors?
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Ladies and Gentlemen of Libertatem,
As many of you are aware of, [region=congress of armed proletarian states] one of our crowning victories was under threat of "liberation" by the WA security council under a proposal by The Provinces of Misley. However, it is with great pride that i announce that four members of the Libertatem Armed Forces (Miencraft, Minvera, Pevvania, and I) were able to refound the region, thus securing it in our control indefinitely. Today is a day of victory that will forever go down in Libertatem's history and forever sting the hearts of our enemies. Minerva, Pevvania, and Miencraft, pursuant to the MEDAL Act, i would like to present each of you with the Medal of Valor and ask that the founder considers awarding the Founder's Medal of Freedom. Your names will be hereby forever set in stone on Libertatem's wall of victory. Let our enemies know that they're pathetic attempts to seek help through the Security Council are unfounded and show weakness. Long live Libertatem!
Thank you,
[nation=Muh Roads]
Tyrinth, Pevvania, The New United States, Condealism Envoy Unit One
Futhermore, we are always looking for more true patriots of Libertatem like these three before us. If you are new here and have yet to take the chance to speak up, i highly implore you to do so.
Pevvania, Industrial City
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Be on later.
Proud to say that the authorization of the raid on CAPS was my last official act as president. And today, I'm proud to say that I aided in its permanent capture by Libertatem forces.
Pevvania, Muh Roads, Condealism Envoy Unit One
Thank you, Mr. President.
Obesity epidemic? Obviously we need fork control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BioyeCCAfY
Why Libertarians Should Not Support the Confederacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvKjRB7wg5k
"Why shouldnt libertarians support the Confederacy? In short, because the Confederacy itself was not very libertarian. In addition to being founded explicitly to protect the slave trade in America, the Confederacy conscripted soldiers, inflated its money supply during the war, and played host to many civil liberties violations. But thats not to say that the Union was much better, as Jason Kuznicki explains."
A humiliating blow to the state-worshipping left. They claim we fight dirty, because we secure the region that we have already dismantled and claimed as our own. They condemn us for opposing the will of NationStates' majority. If we must "fight dirty," if we must come under condemnation, and if we must stand opposite the majority, in order to advance the cause of liberty in this world, then I say that we must! To hell with them!
I applaud the work of Pev, Minerva, Miencraft and our President in securing CAPS, and I thank them for their service and their demonstrated commitment to the War on Communism.
May we have many more victories!
Vivat Libertatem!
Miencraft, Pevvania, Wovenland, Condealism Envoy Unit One
Totally unrelated, because we're winners and can afford to have unrelated conversations, how exactly did this start?
I get why we do it, but when'd it start? Who started it? Why do I care?
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb_search?rmbsearch-text=Vivat&rmbsearch-author=&rmbsearch-region=Libertatem
Looks like you're the first person to mention it, saying it was on your desktop background, a year and a half ago.
I thought it was that.
I knew I had done that, but I don't remember if I had gotten the idea because someone else did it or I just figured "Hey, let's do this thing because Latin".
Now I remember. I invented a phrase! Yay me!
The New United States
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Hey folks. The political nicknames bit? It applies here too. Stop the trolling and the baiting of those you are aligned against, and learn how to do that thing the site was designed for - have fun with it, and engage in some creative and light-hearted chest-thumping and campaigning, hm?
I think everyone's pretty sick and tired of the petty back and forth between y'all, the endless reports, the attempts to get one another in trouble, the misrepresentations, the bias, the everything, to the point that I for one would be more than happy to see BOTH sides of this take your respective baseballs (so as not to be confused with any sexually explicit comments - yes that stupidity does happen), and go home. Or at least go somewhere other than this site. Permanently.
Yes. You have as a whole behaved just that badly, imo. So knock it off, mkay? Minerva, warning given. Thanks.
Okay.
In this instance, I concur with the moderators. (Now there's something I never thought I'd say!)
Yes, we outmaneuvered our opponents every time they attempted to sour our victory - indeed, demagoguery and deception, even on the scale of the Security Council, is no substitute for careful planning, teamwork, and military strategy. Our victory at CAPS cannot be contested now that we have refounded it... however...
The recent Security Council vote only serves to remind me how outdated this conflict is - since La Pas's deletion, the dissolution of TLU, and our organization's victories, The Red Fleet is no longer a credible threat to the liberty-loving regions of NationStates (and I mean this not as an insult, but an observation) for reasons we should all find quite obvious (okay, maybe slightly insulting). That is to say, the only reason the conflict is continuing is because both sides want to get revenge - this isn't about us protecting freedom anymore, nor is it about them uniting the left. Petty revenge alone drives the two sides to flame and bait, so I think it high time the fighting stops.
People of Libertatem, I urge you to turn your War effort to a new front: Every day, democratic regions fall to various other totalitarian foes, and our aim should be defensive in nature so that these regions may remain sovereign.
That is all. Thank you.
Miencraft, Humpheria In Libertatem, Burleson Iii
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A mod intervention, eh? I feel like I missed something.
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I was actually curious about what irritated the mods enough that they decided to come whine on the RMB. The mods' dislike of free speech is far less surprising.
Which books do you guys recommend in regards to subjects about liberty and free-market economics?
23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism by Ha-Joon Chang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34
The Communist Manifesto.
I am now a socialist.
Hallo Island
Welcome back to Libertatem, Soplestan!
For those of you who are unaware, Soplestan was around during the Libertatem-Federal Islands Cold War. Has plenty of stories from back in the day (2012).
Hallo Island
He was also one of the first Board Members. A real veteran of the region, if a bit McCarthy-istic.
Finally: for once, Israel apologises to America.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3133909/Wife-Israeli-interior-minister-writes-racist-joke-Twitter-Barack-Obama-saying-black-weak.html
Ha ha, as if we're going to take this guy seriously. He's well-known for cherry-picking statistics and fudging the numbers to back up asinine arguments.
But why the hell did you post a link to 'Rimshot'?
No, no, that wasn't related to their message on our RMB. They're complaining about all of the name-calling going on between us and the Re- er, I mean, the communist regions.
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Let's stop with the mod hate.
New guy who is apparently not who he says he is, I find you rather irritating.
Lewayiin
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I have no way of verifying his identity one way or the other.
Who here is voting FOR the "liberation" of CAPS? Are you all traitors or what? :p
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