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Muh Roads wrote:What do you mean?

Too many libertarians, not enough debates.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Too many libertarians, not enough debates.

Remember back when TTA was actually yelling about stuff?

Good times.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Too many libertarians, not enough debates.

There's always me.

Zeouria wrote:There's always me.

except you

Republic Of Minerva wrote:except you

*becomes depressed*

So, watching Obama's presidential address, this particular line made me start laughing: "ISIL is a special kind of terrorists. They kill children, they kill innocent men, they rape women and force them into marriage." Obama just described every terrorist.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:So, watching Obama's presidential address, this particular line made me start laughing: "ISIL is a special kind of terrorists. They kill children, they kill innocent men, they rape women and force them into marriage." Obama just described every terrorist.

In the world, I might add.

Terrorists are really, really, and I mean really, stupid. *gets shot in the head after typing that... dirty bomb exploded at my feet afterwards*

Zeouria wrote:In the world, I might add.

Terrorists are really, really, and I mean really, stupid. *gets shot in the head after typing that... dirty bomb exploded at my feet afterwards*

Watching that though, he said what he was suppose to. I am just disappointed he didn't say that he didn't have a plan.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:So, watching Obama's presidential address, this particular line made me start laughing: "ISIL is a special kind of terrorists. They kill children, they kill innocent men, they rape women and force them into marriage." Obama just described every terrorist.

Didn't he try to say that ISIS isn't Islamic?

Gee, I wonder what he thinks it stands for...?

Miencraft wrote:Didn't he try to say that ISIS isn't Islamic?

Gee, I wonder what he thinks it stands for...?

He didn't try, he stated that ISIS wasn't Islamic.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:He didn't try, he stated that ISIS wasn't Islamic.

I say try because it's not factual.

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Miencraft wrote:I say try because it's not factual.

I mean, that was ridiculous. He did however say what he was suppose to on how he was going to act.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:So, watching Obama's presidential address, this particular line made me start laughing: "ISIL is a special kind of terrorists. They kill children, they kill innocent men, they rape women and force them into marriage." Obama just described every terrorist.

Really, that's just to get the american people all riled up over it. To make them hate Isis.

Zeouria wrote:Really, that's just to get the american people all riled up over it. To make them hate Isis.

I know, I just found it amusing how he said what ISIS did categorized them as a special kind of terrorists.

I supported Obamas speech completely until the last part in which he did campaigning. But besides that it was shockingly great.

Most Pro-American Speech.

Most Anti-Terrorist Speech and he's giving ACTION

Press Report for Immediate Release to the Press

Office of the President

[B]A PROCLAMATION[/B]

Whereas, the events of the real life attack on the Nation of America on the day of the Eleventh of September of the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand One

Whereas, the preponderance of the population of the Region of Libertatem reside in the Nation of America

Whereas, the population of the Nation of America and the Region of Libertatem still grieve for the loss of three thousand dead

Now, Therefore, I, Humpheria, President of Libertatem, by the virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and further legislation thereof of the Region of Libertatem, do so order the following

1. The Flag of the Region of Libertatem shall be flown at half staff at all Regional departments, offices, agencies, embassies, et cetera, et cetera during . the appropriate hours of Thursday the eleventh of September in observance of the fallen

2. This Order shall take effect immediately

Given, under my hand and seal this tenth day of September, Two Thousand Fourteen, and of the Founding of Libertatem, the Second.

Signed, Attest, Counsel,

Humpheria

VI

President of Libertatem

Essentially meaning that you don't have to do something. Just be sad. That's an order.

The Time Alliance wrote:I supported Obamas speech completely until the last part in which he did campaigning. But besides that it was shockingly great.

Most Pro-American Speech.

Most Anti-Terrorist Speech and he's giving ACTION

He claims to be giving action, we will see.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:He claims to be giving action, we will see.

So long as no Americans step foot on the ground and ISIS is beaten back he will get some respect back.

If america never had to support the billionaire oil companies by getting involved in the middle east, this all wouldn't be a problem. ISIS wouldn't exist.

Anyway, some questions to free-marketeers.

1) if everything was privatized, what about muh poor? The essentials of life would be privatized, such as water, leaving nothing free to all.

2) what about large trusts dominating entire industries?

3) large companies could easily dominate entire towns, as they did in 1800's america. What about the freedoms of those people?

4) wouldn't the large trusts just manifest themselves into a state?

1) the market would help them price wise. Employment wise and wage wise.

2) If they are efficient then whatever. If they try to extol prices people will catch on and stop buying and going to a cheaper better place

3) That's a Government vs. Business The government should have a safe guard from Mob Rule by Businesses.

4) No....They could lose consumers. Unless they LAL WENT ON STRIKE. They wouldn't. On the offset we make them mad they'll strike and do that. And Earth falls.

I don't know. It's never happened before so I am not going to come up with false theories and believe in them like I know what I am talking about. Looks at tsar seeing if he gets the reference*

No I am not talking about religion even if that reference is there. I am referring to your belief in Anarcho Communism.

Zeouria wrote:If america never had to support the billionaire oil companies by getting involved in the middle east, this all wouldn't be a problem. ISIS wouldn't exist.

Anyway, some questions to free-marketeers.

1) if everything was privatized, what about muh poor? The essentials of life would be privatized, such as water, leaving nothing free to all.

2) what about large trusts dominating entire industries?

3) large companies could easily dominate entire towns, as they did in 1800's america. What about the freedoms of those people?

4) wouldn't the large trusts just manifest themselves into a state?

1.) Much of the essentials of life are impossible to privatize because of their infinite reproductability. Like air, the ocean, ideas, etc. Stuff that is finite, but is required for living, will be sought out after, and as a result more of that product will be made, lowering it's price tremendously. Nothing's free, but it can be pretty damn cheap.

2.) "The government is the largest monopoly in existence, and market monopolies can only be maintained with assistance from the government. Large corporations favor regulation because they are able to absorb the high fixed costs associated with such restrictions. This drives smaller, less profitable, stores out of business and helps establish the large firm's unnatural dominance over a market. It also prevents new firms entering the market by raising the cost of entry."

3.) See above.

4.) No

Republic Of Minerva wrote:1.) Much of the essentials of life are impossible to privatize because of their infinite reproductability. Like air, the ocean, ideas, etc. Stuff that is finite, but is required for living, will be sought out after, and as a result more of that product will be made, lowering it's price tremendously. Nothing's free, but it can be pretty damn cheap.

2.) "The government is the largest monopoly in existence, and market monopolies can only be maintained with assistance from the government. Large corporations favor regulation because they are able to absorb the high fixed costs associated with such restrictions. This drives smaller, less profitable, stores out of business and helps establish the large firm's unnatural dominance over a market. It also prevents new firms entering the market by raising the cost of entry."

3.) See above.

4.) No

Out of ten: pretty accurate

Also, water desalinization pretty much takes care of "fresh water is a limited resource" schtick. Water is as limited as the ocean.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:No I am not talking about religion even if that reference is there. I am referring to your belief in Anarcho Communism.

Um... what the f*ck?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:1.) Much of the essentials of life are impossible to privatize because of their infinite reproductability. Like air, the ocean, ideas, etc. Stuff that is finite, but is required for living, will be sought out after, and as a result more of that product will be made, lowering it's price tremendously. Nothing's free, but it can be pretty damn cheap.

2.) "The government is the largest monopoly in existence, and market monopolies can only be maintained with assistance from the government. Large corporations favor regulation because they are able to absorb the high fixed costs associated with such restrictions. This drives smaller, less profitable, stores out of business and helps establish the large firm's unnatural dominance over a market. It also prevents new firms entering the market by raising the cost of entry."

3.) See above.

4.) No

Thanks.

With science and technology advances we will make desalinization cheaper.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Also, water desalinization pretty much takes care of "fresh water is a limited resource" schtick. Water is as limited as the ocean.

Aside from the fact that this process is horrifically expensive

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Also, water desalinization pretty much takes care of "fresh water is a limited resource" schtick. Water is as limited as the ocean.

Water, being man't second source of existence, should be free. Water is in abundance (at least where I live), and it should be open for everyone's use. If I lived in a situation where I had to purchase my water, I'd rather take from my own well. (As would many people, I imagine)

It's a dad industry that anyone outside of a desert or a city wouldn't follow. (Accept for bottled water, which is stupid, but sells for some reason)

Lack There Of wrote:Aside from the fact that this process is horrifically expensive

Ditto. It's still possible. And like American said, the sheer possibility of giving fresh water to thousands will encourage a lot of investment, furthering progress and hopefully lowering costs.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:With science and technology advances we will make desalinization cheaper.

Making it more available to all... oh wait, Africa... still wouldn't be able to afford it. Never mind.

Zeouria wrote:Water, being man't second source of existence, should be free. Water is in abundance (at least where I live), and it should be open for everyone's use. If I lived in a situation where I had to purchase my water, I'd rather take from my own well. (As would many people, I imagine)

It's a dad industry that anyone outside of a desert or a city wouldn't follow. (Accept for bottled water, which is stupid, but sells for some reason)

*man's

*dead industry

Sorry.

You guys here about the water shutdowns in Detroit?

Zeouria wrote:Water, being man't second source of existence, should be free. Water is in abundance (at least where I live), and it should be open for everyone's use. If I lived in a situation where I had to purchase my water, I'd rather take from my own well. (As would many people, I imagine)

It's a dad industry that anyone outside of a desert or a city wouldn't follow. (Accept for bottled water, which is stupid, but sells for some reason)

*free meaning someone else is forced to provide the infrastructure necessary for it to be universally appreciated

Zeouria wrote:Making it more available to all... oh wait, Africa... still wouldn't be able to afford it. Never mind.

If Africa would learn to be responsible they would be able to afford it. Like I dont know having only the amount of children that you can afford, becoming more Capitalitic and democratic rather then dictatorships, and expanding the mind to entrepreneurship.

Zeouria wrote:Water, being man't second source of existence, should be free. Water is in abundance (at least where I live), and it should be open for everyone's use. If I lived in a situation where I had to purchase my water, I'd rather take from my own well. (As would many people, I imagine)

It's a dad industry that anyone outside of a desert or a city wouldn't follow. (Accept for bottled water, which is stupid, but sells for some reason)

I am not sure if water should be free, but it should certainly be accessible, yes. Already, water is practically only a few cents, with most of the costs of a water bottle from the process of getting fresh water in it and for the resources to create the bottle itself. A government can only do so much to provide water to people, and even if we assume that distribution of a singular resource works best with government planning, a government doesn't have the same fixed controls a private company has, or the ability to improve quality and lower costs for a large amount of people.

Lack There Of wrote:*free meaning someone else is forced to provide the infrastructure necessary for it to be universally appreciated

Someone as in who? A worker who decided to work in that field? Or a wealthy man?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ditto. It's still possible. And like American said, the sheer possibility of giving fresh water to thousands will encourage a lot of investment, furthering progress and hopefully lowering costs.

My father works at a water treatment plant and will go into great lengths explains how this needs to happen, or the west is essentially screwed.

Zeouria wrote:You guys here about the water shutdowns in Detroit?

Yes, water needs to be transported,and cleaned that costs money.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:If Africa would learn to be responsible they would be able to afford it. Like I dont know having only the amount of children that you can afford, becoming more Capitalitic and democratic rather then dictatorships, and expanding the mind to entrepreneurship.

Um... that's not why people die because of water. *face palm*

Africa is really devoid of resource in many places, because of imperialism.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I am not sure if water should be free, but it should certainly be accessible, yes. Already, water is practically only a few cents, with most of the costs of a water bottle from the process of getting fresh water in it and for the resources to create the bottle itself. A government can only do so much to provide water to people, and even if we assume that distribution of a singular resource works best with government planning, a government doesn't have the same fixed controls a private company has, or the ability to improve quality and lower costs for a large amount of people.

We're not necessarily talking bottled water, rather tap water. The only consumers of bought tap water, like I said, would,d be in the cities and in dessert areas.

Zeouria wrote:Someone as in who? A worker who decided to work in that field? Or a wealthy man?

Someone as in who ever is paying for it in order to ensure the "collective good". Whether that be the 1% or literally everyone it matters not. Nothing is free

Zeouria wrote:Um... that's not why people die because of water. *face palm*

Africa is really devoid of resource in many places, because of imperialism.

We're not necessarily talking bottled water, rather tap water. The only consumers of bought tap water, like I said, would,d be in the cities and in dessert areas.

Again water transportation and cleaning costs money. If the africans did act rationally and independently then they might be able to afford water.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Yes, water needs to be transported,and cleaned that costs money.

Transported? Are you inept? (It would cost a lot of money to transport water to Africa)

No, African just need to be supplied with necessary filtration systems to filter the water. The problem is the viruses that are in the waters there. So, if your only water source is infected, whenever you attempt to rehigdrate from being sick, you just repoisen yourself (or reinfect yourself, rather). So, it's a horrible death for thousands, unforunatly. If the water were to be filtured and more sustainable, the sick could get over the virus by rehigdrating saftly.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Again water transportation and cleaning costs money. If the africans did act rationally and independently then they might be able to afford water.

Are you f*cking serious? 'The problem is that Africans don't act rationally, it's there fault.'

No, it's the droughts and imperialist powers which controlled them.

Who is going to pay for the filtration systems?

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Who is going to pay for the filtration systems?

Who do you think? What s your solution?

Zeouria wrote:Are you f*cking serious? 'The problem is that Africans don't act rationally, it's there fault.'

No, it's the droughts and imperialist powers which controlled them.

Tsar the formal imperialist powers left decades ago. How long will that be an excuse for inaction?

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Zeouria wrote:Who do you think? What s your solution?

Some african should take a loan and start a filtration business. Or something of that nature.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Tsar the formal imperialist powers left decades ago. How long will that be an excuse for inaction?

I'll actually give that one to tsar, imperialism really sucked. The west helped to create more racial and religious divides in African than can be imagined, not to mention the continue propping up of puppet regimes. (We're still giving money to Zimbabwe). What isn't a valid point is claiming the imperialists took literally all of the continent's resources and capital.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Tsar the formal imperialist powers left decades ago. How long will that be an excuse for inaction?

*never justifies awful claim that it's their fault*

Tap waters costs is all about transportation. Obviously, it's not easy to install a working sewage and water system in the deserts of Sahara, therefore water is going to be more expensive there. So, where the market can come in is competing to install more efficient systems to transport water across the desert. Of course, it's not really a lucrative market, but it beats relying on corrupt African governments and charity, imo.

Its not just the africans fault. The africans however cant just expect forign aid forever. The africans will need to change as well.

Lack There Of wrote:I'll actually give that one to tsar, imperialism really sucked. The west helped to create more racial and religious divides in African than can be imagined, not to mention the continue propping up of puppet regimes. (We're still giving money to Zimbabwe). What isn't a valid point is claiming the imperialists took literally all of the continent's resources and capital.

I'm not saying they took all, where did you get that from? No, they took a lot.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Some african should take a loan and start a filtration business. Or something of that nature.

From what banks? Are they going to walk all the way over to a major city and get a loan without a license or any of that?

Zeouria wrote:I'm not saying they took all, where did you get that from? No, they took a lot.

From what banks? Are they going to walk all the way over to a major city and get a loan without a license or any of that?

Foreign banks

The west can help africa but the people there need to change as well.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Its not just the africans fault. The africans however cant just expect forign aid forever. The africans will need to change as well.

... I'm done.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Tap waters costs is all about transportation. Obviously, it's not easy to install a working sewage and water system in the deserts of Sahara, therefore water is going to be more expensive there. So, where the market can come in is competing to install more efficient systems to transport water across the desert. Of course, it's not really a lucrative market, but it beats relying on corrupt African governments and charity, imo.

Many of the villages do have water, the problem is it's not filtered. I'm not an expert on the sahara and its water table, but I wonder if villages there can tap into ground water. And there's always lake chad which is right in the middle just about.

The General Of The American Empire wrote:The west can help africa but the people there need to change as well.

Change what?

The General Of The American Empire wrote:Foreign banks

How is that going to work?! Are they going to ,call up american banks and ask for loans?'!

And how are they going to pay off these loans? They can't grow food if there in an area of draught. Cattle would be thin, and would be best used by them themselves.

Not all of africa is desert there has to be fertile land somewhere.

Zeouria wrote:Forever. I have come to the conclusion that you are, indeed, stupid.

Resources don't just reapear. Rampant poverty caused by generations of degredation, of slavery, of resource raping, doesn't just go away. Africa will always and forever be affected. Above that, the draughts are expanding the Sahara and there's social unrest because of the conditions. Education was never the priority of the imperialist powers, either.

You are never going to win a debate by insulting someone just because they have a different opinion then you.

Pevvania wrote:Private prisons create an incentive to lock people up. Until we no longer need prisons, they should be under government control.

I've been thinking about this one. It's an interesting thought, however, that's no different than saying private hospitals encourage injured and sick people or a private military would encourage wars and reckless foreign politics.

Colonialism has very much left a mark on the continent. But now it has other problems: constant war, disease, abysmal infrastructure, corrupt leaders, confiscatory tax burdens, government mismanagement of the economy, and many more I've not mentioned. It all creates a culture of uncertainty in Africa that investors have steered clear of.

Pevvania wrote:Colonialism has very much left a mark on the continent. But now it has other problems: constant war, disease, abysmal infrastructure, corrupt leaders, confiscatory tax burdens, government mismanagement of the economy, and many more I've not mentioned. It all creates a culture of uncertainty in Africa that investors have steered clear of.

Those are some of the changes I meant.

Who's observing the national moment of silence in exactly ten minutes?

Who am I kidding, staying up until midnight talking about Africa, y'all asleep. Lil' delinquents.

Humpheria wrote:Who am I kidding, staying up until midnight talking about Africa, y'all asleep. Lil' delinquents.

Getting ready for work actually. So I guess I did. . :p

Humpy the jury is Liberosia, You, Miencraft, Silver chair, Funkytopia and RWN.

Rest in peace to the victims of the September 11th Attacks.

Pevvania wrote:Rest in peace to the victims of the September 11th Attacks.

It's not much, but every year I change my Steam name from "Eisotopius" to "Eiso | Never Forget".

Nobody else I know does things like that.

Miencraft wrote:It's not much, but every year I change my Steam name from "Eisotopius" to "Eiso | Never Forget".

Nobody else I know does things like that.

To be honest, I think most of the "remembrance" goes on on Facebook, where people just post statuses for likes.

Some fun facts:

If the US cut federal spending back to 2005 levels, we could eliminate the corporate tax.

If we cut spending back to 1995 levels, we could eliminate the payroll tax.

If we cut spending back to 1985 levels, we could eliminate the income tax.

If we cut spending back to 1949 levels, we could eliminate all major federal taxes. How about that.

Pevvania wrote:To be honest, I think most of the "remembrance" goes on on Facebook, where people just post statuses for likes.

Apparently, there are also big sales on 9/11.

Never let a crisis go to waste, eh?

Miencraft wrote:Apparently, there are also big sales on 9/11.

Never let a crisis go to waste, eh?

9/11? its November already?

Hermesgrad wrote:9/11? its November already?

Look, man, I write in DD/MM format, too, but it's called 9/11 here.

Miencraft wrote:Look, man, I write in DD/MM format, too, but it's called 9/11 here.

He is well aware of that. He is trying to be clever.

Humpheria wrote:He is well aware of that. He is trying to be clever.

I'm aware of his awareness.

I'm just trying to kill his joke.

And in unrelated news, I can now play Surfin' Bird by The Trashmen on guitar. Damn, I should Youtube this sh*t.

Pevvania wrote:And in unrelated news, I can now play Surfin' Bird by The Trashmen on guitar. Damn, I should Youtube this sh*t.

out of ten, pretty neat. Why dont you learn something hard like "smoke on the water" that is what real guitar legends play

Pevvania wrote:Damn, I should Youtube this sh*t.

No, what you should be doing is sharing your voice.

Lack There Of wrote:out of ten, pretty neat. Why dont you learn something hard like "smoke on the water" that is what real guitar legends play

I used to play Smoke on the Water relatively well. But that was years ago. Could learn it again, though.

Miencraft wrote:No, what you should be doing is sharing your voice.

I'd actually recorded a nice impression for y'all to listen to the other day. But I lost the link.

I'll get to it eventually.

Pevvania wrote:I'd actually recorded a nice impression for y'all to listen to the other day. But I lost the link.

"I had an alibi, but I forgot what it was".

Miencraft wrote:"I had an alibi, but I forgot what it was".

What if instead of a British/Australian/somethingoranother student Pev is actually a NSA bot who's sole purpose is to wast government dollars by infiltrating libertarian regions on Nation States? Now we know why he has never shared his voice

How does everyone like the Executive writing style? I love it (not the executive connotations behind it), but I love the style for executive business.

FYI

Executive Style = In the Year of our Lord, spelling the year, hand and seal

So what is going on with Einsiev? I received a telegram about talks of treason and my interest was peaked.

Also, I have returned.

Rotgeheim wrote:So what is going on with Einsiev? I received a telegram about talks of treason and my interest was peaked.

Also, I have returned.

Bonjour

Rotgeheim wrote:So what is going on with Einsiev? I received a telegram about talks of treason and my interest was peaked.

Also, I have returned.

The trial is in Court Room A if you'd like to get an understanding of what's going on.

If Lib would ever get off his butt and vote, we'd be good.

Humpheria wrote:If Lib would ever get off his butt and vote, we'd be good.

Everyone's voted, man.

Miencraft wrote:Everyone's voted, man.

If Lib did, I was not privy to that message.

Humpheria wrote:If Lib did, I was not privy to that message.

Isn't he Funky?

Miencraft wrote:Isn't he Funky?

LIBerosia

Miencraft wrote:Isn't he Funky?

Funkytopia is Funky

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