Post Archive
Region: Libertatem
I enjoyed the people of the Campanian countryside. And the carnivals. The people of Naples were great, but in the late 1980s, the City and regional government were broken beyond all repair. It now makes more sense why you believe the way you do.
Would you be interested in reading: Lintelligenza del denaro: Perché il mercato ha ragione anche quando ha torto by Alberto Mingardi?
Tupolite
"Why the market is right even when it's wrong"
I see what you're trying to do here.
I am afraid you slightly misunderstood. My family is Neapolitan but they emigrated to the brothel of the Freemasons
U mad bro
Jadentopian Order, Highway Eighty-Eight
If you had to deal with Wilhelm, you would go mad as well
Auxorii, Kongeriget Island
I would like to officially endorse Kongeriget Island to be the next First Consul of the region.
Kongeriget Island
We could pretty much gather that with your voting for him.
Practically speaking, Libertatem is neither. I intend to move the region in that direction.
Additionally, I am 100% in agreement with you in principle. As a conservative American that accepts the Austrian understanding of the economic science, I am opposed both to Marxism and to the fascist total state, philosophically as well as economically.
That being said, communism is clearly a far greater and more present danger to the western world than "fascism." It is popular to be "anti-fascist." It costs nothing. It is virtue signalling. It is utterly meaningless in the real world. To be anti-communist is to take a stand against the leftward tide that threatens the destruction of western civilization. I therefore prioritize anti-communism over "anti-fascism."
That prioritization carries over to NationStates, where Libertatem's historical and greatest threat is the communist left.
This is why I support Tupolite for First Consul.
Regardless of Tupolite's political disagreements, he actually has a vision for the region - a vision which does not contradict Libertatem's founding and enduring principle of anti-communism - and he has a plan to achieve that vision. Nothing against Lib, but he does not have such a vision.
Between two individuals of radical (and to many here, unsavory) political persuasion, I will choose the one that has a real plan that will benefit the region.
I hope you all will vote with me for Tupolite, for a more active and engaged government. Let's Make Libertatem Great Again.
Tupolite
There is an irony in someone who half-identifies as a Sephardic Jew endorsing someone who views him as literal Satanspawn who emits "evil waves" which can physically harm someone
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Well, bringing in my race/religion is a perfect way to get me to reconsider.
Highway Eighty-Eight
This is true, but the likes of Garibaldi and Mazzini accomplished Italian unification in the historical context of semi-liberalism being an improvement over the pre-modern state of affairs. Liberalism, by the time of WWI, however, degenerated from overextending its welcome in the plane of ideas, and so America and Freemasonry are today also degenerate for representing the values of liberalism.
This brings up that region holiday idea I had actually. I was going to give one to Giuseppe Mazzini on the logic that he would appeal to me as an Italian nationalist and also to you as a Freemason.
After all, you must be familiar with how Mussolini and Gentile praised Garibaldi and Mazzini not just for their pan-nationalist efforts but also for their construction of a vision for the Italian nation that deviated from the typical liberalistic formula such as that of Britain or America, just as they also venerated Bismarck for doing as much for Germany. Yet Mussolini was anti-Masonic in spite of praising Garibaldi and Mazzini. Everything must be evaluated in a certain context.
The point still stands on its own, regardless of the degree to which it sways you.
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Disarm Libertatem 2020
Lol do you know how this region started?
Narland, The New United States
The New United States is a patriot and a veteran who's made many massive contributions to the region, and has my full endorsement.
The New United States, Tupolite
Thank you, my friend!
Could you elaborate on the reasoning behind that assertion?
- The Red Fleet
To be fair we were an Empire back in the day, which is kind of funky for a region called Libertatem.
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
You do me a disservice. In case you hadn't noticed, I actually appreciate the company.
Lol, look at us voting for our next fascist overlords
Narland, Tupolite
While I do not appreciate that I am the subject of discussion, I do appreciate that Wilhelm and TNUS are at least in a debate, in a manner of speaking
Im not exactly enthused to be making this statement, but whatever.
Tupolite, despite having an ideology completely antithetical to mine and most of yours, is someone who I believe is genuinely invested in this region. Lets not forget how he sold out Lib for attempting to subvert the region. Do I agree with his views? No. Do I believe he has genuine care for the region? Yes. I can say the same for Lib. Ive kept in contact with Lib in his time away from the region, and he is still the same goofy icelander that he has always been. Probably a bit less racist now, I hope.
The spirit of Libertatem has always been about the freedom of ideas. For christs sake you all welcomed two well known terrorists back into the region with open arms! Both candidates are genuine and I wholly believe that everyone running in the elections cares for the region. To say any of them are not is completely and utterly false.
Pevvania, Auxorii, Rateria, Tupolite, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island
Of course raiding is a waste of time. It was never about defense.
Ultimately it just became a fun game of destroying regions based on whether we agreed with their ideology or not; everyone knows the story, this was proven that small regions were being raided that posed no threat but were targeted because, all communists are threats. So much for free thought.
Libertatem should only be interested in defending itself.
Reform Party 2020
Miencraft, Auxorii, Jadentopian Order
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Post self-deleted by Tupolite.
Of course raiding and defending has done good for libertarians on NS. Libertatem itself was born out of the R/D game. It created a community that you and I and everyone else here cares deeply about, regardless of our differences and regardless of how we now feel about raiding. So I would not necessarily say it hasn't done any good.
Besides, it's a game. I, like a lot of people, entered NationStates with a love for the politicking and the intrigue and the war. I don't think that anyone has illusions about changing the world through Libertatem's War on Communism, but it's fun and builds community.
That's why I, in my platform, took a more holistic approach to the War on Communism. During the War's heyday, military, clandestine, and intellectual fronts were all equally important aspects of the same initiative. Those ought to be the three pillars of our foreign policy vis-à-vis communism on NS, and I will work hard in my elected term (if I win) to make that foreign policy a reality.
I mean, not entirely. It might be a greater challenge than it was six or seven years ago, but it's still a possibility. Espionage has always been the most effective tool in the R/D game and still can be used to effectively subvert and/or destroy regions.
Just look at what we accomplished in CAPS - the crowning jewel of our war. That kind of operation is still a possibility, but we have to really strive to develop and keep friendships abroad, which it appears we have given up on.
It takes more than inter-governmental dialogue. Real regional friendships are formed when the emissary immerses themselves in and becomes a part of the region to which they are sent. They ought to develop friendships with the government and with the regional residents through regular participation in the RMB and such.
Reliable alliances can be formed this way, and that is the approach I'd be committed to.
The question that came to my mind as I read that, however, is: if you have completely given up on foreign affairs, why are you Second Consul? Shouldn't you run for First or Third?
Listen, I really do appreciate and thank you for all you have done and continue to do for the region. All of that is super important, and there is no foreign policy to care about if there is no regional community in the first place.
But I'm running for Second Consul because I am passionate about military and foreign affairs. I am eager to put in my all to create a modest but prepared military and to really strengthen the bonds of friendship with partner regions. I'm not sure exactly why you want to retain the Second Consul position when you are entirely focused on domestic issues.
I did not intend for that to be an insult, and I apologize if it came off that way. You contrasted yourself from me by calling yourself an "anti-fascist." I was simply stating my position that, while I am in principle opposed to fascism, there is no utility in me identifying myself as anti-fascist. What I care about is anti-communism, which is the principle upon which this region was founded and which was explicitly central in our region's successes.
If I came off as insulting in any way, know that it is not personal and not intentional. Apologies.
Pevvania
Communists are, by their very nature, subversives. They are dangerous in any quantity and have been repeatedly proven wrong with 100s of millions of bodies and counting to show for it. They will infiltrate and destroy any institution of power they see fit
Pevvania, The New United States
And the best defense is a good offense.
Pevvania, Miri Islands
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
No, you don't know the story, because you were not here in the region's prime.
Miencraft, The New United States
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
All wrong. Our successes were many and well-documented, as evidenced by TRF's multiple attempts to destroy Libertatem and REATO. Raiding is not "totalitarian", we did it to stop the Communist onslaught. And even the regions that were "peaceful" who were targeted deserved it, because they were Communist, and raiding is fun.
Cool except we destroyed quite a few communities irreparably and slowed or stopped the expansion of Communist militarism in many areas. The North Korean regions, The Cooperative Union, The New Communist Region, and of course CAPS.
That's true, that component of the game was gutted, but that was beyond our control.
The New United States
No, he doesn't, and neither do you. If you read the history of the region - again, which is very well-documented - you would see that.
The New United States
Complete BS. You're just openly repeating Red Fleet propaganda now. Under my first presidency 2013-2014, we actually cut ties with all fascist regions and disavowed them. You really don't know what you're talking about.
The New United States
Really, we have been drooling over the idea of reigniting some grand war against Communism forever. The truth is, no one is active enough and we dont have the strength to get anywhere near TRF or whatever organization runs that show now. Were better off becoming a defender or something like that.
Tell me, what minds are we changing by attacking some worthless communist region founded by some people just playing the game?
Auxorii, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Kongeriget Island
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
I do know the story. As soon as I was admitted into the barracks I saw what was happening, then released that information to the public of Libertatem and was swiftly banned from the region and me and my friends subject to a completely bias and secretive investigation that was meant to kill our political party. The final blow being you guys raiding our discord server and demanding entry because respect Miens authoritah (in your own discord server). Such libertarians.
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Regardless, my point still stands.
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
You know, if I was active any sooner perhaps I shouldve considered running.
Tupolite, Kongeriget Island
If it makes you feel better, I was thinking of leaving NA anyway. It's pretty dead, and to the extent that the region ever had direction, I can't say that I wholeheartedly endorsed that direction.
Also, Aux was leader of an enemy region
To be fair, it was love/hate.
I also loved/hated this region or I wouldn't be here.
The only people who legitimately hate this community are those who haven't experienced it, I feel
Okay it is obvious I am going to lose, but it's nice seeing the RMB full after coming from school for a change. Congratulations Tupolite
The New United States, Auxorii, Rateria, Tupolite
I'm currently the sole judge of this region, don't be so dramatic.
Auxorii
And congratulations to you as well, for you seem to have succeeded in your goal of reanimating this place
The New United States, Auxorii
I'd just like to see something happen. The regional government, myself included, have been lame ducks. I'm nowhere nearly active enough on discord for effective governance. That's the whole reason I didn't seek reelection. Maybe these elections will inspire folks to actually participate in the region instead of sitting here debating Libertarian ideas whilst our region slowly dies.
The New United States
No offence but this place has been dead now for a long time
Tupolite
Congratulations to [nation=short]Tupolite[/nation]!
Rateria, Tupolite, Kongeriget Island
Congratulations to Tupolite, the Second Consul election is up. Good luck.
The New United States, Rateria, Tupolite, Kongeriget Island
Ill be running for Third Consul.
Everyone please take the time to read my latest factbook, the Auxor Plan, to see my plans for the region.
Tupolite
Now then. I would sincerely like you to consider reading a book on market economics. if not the one asded, at least something by Hayek. I think you have it in you consider freedom as a the only viable alternative to authoritarianism.
Pevvania
Don't forget that the new consulate will be appointing the next Justice. The term is up for that as well.
Y'all know who the best judge in the region is
Rateria, Tupolite
I have a soft spot in my head for stuff like this:
https://apnews.com/721bb463922ef156626ef839abf40b9a
Girl, 11, brings AR-15 to Idaho hearing on gun legislation By KEITH RIDLER February 24, 2020
***anecdote alert***
I was able to skip the BB-gun stage and go straight to a 22 rifle and matching pistol when i turned seven after demonstrating responsibility. Because of idiot Federal Law, my uncle had to "own" the pistol until I turned 21 even though it was in my gun safe. I used my other grandfather's 30.06 to help gather elk for winter food and was taught how to load my own ammo.
Every other year from 4th grade onward, we (students) were told to bring our weapons to school for them to be checked by a peace officer (usually a deputy or forest ranger -- one year it was a guardsman from an air base) for safety and training. Imagine trying to do that in today's "Brave New World." It never crossed our minds to murder anybody no matter how much we disliked them. Of course public school students back then read the Bible, prayed for our enemies, and we were taught to do good to those who hate and are spiteful to us. Not to mention boys weren't drugged up on a psychotropic cocktail of "meds" in order to make them act more like good little schoolgirls until they crack and go on a murderous rampage.
There is no reason why, like Switzerland and Israel we should not teach our children to handle weapons responsibly.
***end anecdote alert***
Pevvania, Rateria
Me
Rateria
The best non-retired judge
Rateria
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Welcome to Libertatem, [nation=short]Aluminum Water[/nation], [nation=short]La Riba[/nation], [nation=short]Cardi Beance[/nation], and [nation=short]Nich-land[/nation]!
What brings y'all here?
Rateria
Nich-Land is my best friend IRL. Hes also a big time Jew. Ashkenazic.
The New United States, Rateria
Also a big welcome back to [nation=short]Rotgeheim[/nation].
Miencraft, Rateria
And I suppose I should recommend to you The End of Laissez-Faire then
Come on man that was nearly three years ago, get over it.
But if you really knew what we were doing and why we were doing it, you would not have illegally leaked it to the public.
Miencraft, The New United States
Classic, attacking the source instead of the content.
FYI to all residents, if you want to hear war stories actually consult the people that were involved in them.
The New United States
'Economics in One Lesson' by Henry Hazlitt is a great start, I think.
The New United States
Keynes was demonstrably wrong on many, many things. The only thing I'll give him credit for is that he did invent macro.
Miencraft, The New United States
It was an operation completely designed to take down our political party, no? Is not that what that was?
I am announcing my intention to run for the third consul. My first public service in Libertatem was in the office of internal affairs, since then I have found that out of all of the jobs required for keeping a regional government running it is the one I have the most passion for. As the first third consul of our new government I have had the experience necessary to know how to effectively run the citizenship application's, citizens rosters, internal polls, and keeping the region factbook up to date in the appropriate fields. I am once again asking for your trust and support in this task, I look forward to helping Libertatem revitalize its activity and will be ready and willing to aid in what ways I can.
Rateria, Kongeriget Island
Honestly so much has happened in my life since then that I struggle to recall all the details of the affair. But I remember that the Reform Party was conspiring against the Libertatem government on a number of fronts and illegally colluded with the owner of an enemy region (you) after you'd been banned, justifiably, for putting regional security at risk. The RP was designated a terrorist group and even after you and your comrades were banned, you were actively working against us. Is that not what happened?
Miencraft
Question as a prospective voter: I read your plan, and how can we as citizens expect you to uphold your oath to the region when you don't repudiate the violations of law and acts of civil unrest you committed in the Second Republic? Furthermore, is it a good idea to call for a "Reformation", invoking the name of a past terrorist group, and to call the Libertatem government "tyrannical"?
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Sorry man I'm just asking questions
The New United States
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
Never conspired against the government; only participated in democratic elections, of which I always won and my legislations always got passed-I also had the highest approval rating of anybody in government at the time. We had been getting on your nerves after me and Venom overturned Humphs pardon. Thats when you went out to get us.
I didnt commit any crimes in the Second Republic. The only thing I was ever guilty of was releasing classified information on a general server (despite other members discussing military affairs on the general (Especially voice) chat numerous times and it was simply not a big deal). Classified information that proved my point. I only ever released that information actually because you were running for President at the time and were continuously lying saying that military operations werent based off of ideology. I proved you wrong and instead of ever acknowledging that fact you just hide behind some vague laws that were broken plenty of times before.
You can trust me to uphold my oath because everything I have done has been in line with my values, and I have never gone back on my word. I have been consistently in favor of my platform and have been consistently loyal to my allies. I have consistently done things in line with my beliefs even if it meant the worst for me, because it was the right thing to do and most people understood that.
The past Libertatem government was tyrannical; and no, I have no issue invoking the name of a former terrorist organization, because I've shown you that that terrorist designation was a political attack.
Highway Eighty-Eight
I recall accidentally leaking information in general or something and Humph basically just told me that it was alright and to be more careful, and just asked me to apologize.
Auxorii, Highway Eighty-Eight
Obviously, neither you nor he would treat Keynesian economics seriously. My point was that there is no way I could be made to take Austrian economics seriously either.
Post self-deleted by Tupolite.
I actually remember Humph and Pev talking in the general voice chat about military operations while the trial was going on and Hyder would go in, theyd stop talking, hed go out and then hed go back in and they were talking military. It was brought up to Mien but basically mehd.
Obviously the case was bullshit. They tried me for treason I mean lol; for something that for everyone else was nothing...
At least your region didn't get raided when you were away by a bunch of communists and feederites.
The New United States
I think you're overlooking the key issue that his platform would call for the establishment of the WA Delegate as a codified government official.
There's a reason we replaced the Delegate with the President. It's not a good idea to give power in a region to an office that can literally change hands at the whim of other regions.
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight
You have an executive founder that you've done a fairly good job of preventing from CTE'ing. I don't see the problem with it myself.
The New United States
Well you also ran the RP from a foreign region against a court order which was very illegal; you had only been banned for a month up to that point.
The New United States
Intentions matter. We know that Commies and Misley-ites have monitored our Discord before, so intentionally leaking details of a raid is a really bad thing to do that puts our military ops (which are fully justified) in jeopardy.
The New United States
The Second Republic doesn't even exist anymore. If this election should go to prove anything, it's that the Consulate can serve as a new beginning for us all.
Jadentopian Order
Fair point, I am fine with that. Aux is here and so is Lib, and I of course believe in forgiving and forgetting, but it's a little concerning when he won't even acknowledge his past actions.
I actually never defined the WA delegate as executive in my platform-understanding the reason for that.
The reason for having the President and WA delegate be the same person is because I was deriving off of Tupolites idea of canalizing the process of submitting WA proposals with regional support. I think this could be done by having a democratically elected president who is also active as WA delegate. This can even be a non-executive WA delegate.
Rateria
Well, look at me. I was thoroughly criticized by a certain someone for taking certain controversial positions, especially offsite where the majority of debate occurs, but I was elected because I had a plan and made a promise. (That no one brought up the controversies surrounding my opponent was odd, but this is irrelevant.) Whatever you have to say about Aux, he drafted a plan which was well thought out. Libertatem needs more officials who haven't been infected by the disease of arbitrariness. This whole community has fallen into a malaise about it, a malaise lasting for the vast majority of the time I have been a part of it. At some point, the less selfish thing to do is to bury meaningless grudges from a bygone era and pledge cooperation to work towards a better future.
The New United States
Also fair points, but Aux seems dead against restarting offensive military operations, a position I do not share.
The New United States
I realize that we likely don't have the time or the numbers to restart the war like it was in the old days, but I also do not believe we should throw up our hands and give up. It's always better to aim high than low!
The New United States
Also, for anyone moralizing about how "un-libertarian" it is to raid Communist regions: this is a free online game, nobody is really losing anything. The NAP does not apply here lol
The New United States
Again ^ despite the fact that the case was a sham to begin with, the whole notion of me running the Reform Party while I was banned is stupid and is based on some illegal authority that Mien assumed he had in my private discord server. Its a stupid notion because the Reform Party at the time was interregional, of course I was still running the party, at the time me and Vista Major were trying to expand more into the CoFN.
Face it, it was a ridiculous trial and was completely orchestrated to kick me and my party out of the region.
Also, funny enough, Libertatem then basically died in terms of activity and Humph actually tried to get me to return, for the sake of activity. If that doesnt show you how much of a joke the case was, then I dont know what will get you out of your little bubble.
Looks like you didnt read my platform fully:
Our military needs to be used for the defense of the region. I strongly believe in rebuilding Libertatems military and having a strong defense operations team, including an interregional spying database where we can asses threats posed by regions and have a fully operational military without compromising our values.
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.