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Region: Libertatem
Fine then, no advertising of regions. I will advertise ideas instead. Has it not occurred to anyone here that the Statism (not Fascism, I have not been Fascist for a very long time, if ever) is the only way of preserving individual freedom? Those who do not follow at all the ideas of Libertarianism, of free though and free speech, will always crush an ununified collection of individuals. It is only as a state, as a group of free people, united under one police force, one army, one set of common laws and most of all a single, beautiful, unifying ideal of preserving individual liberty, that can preserve their own, and their states freedom, and rid the world of those who seek to oppress. That is all I have to say. Brauistan
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ISA, you're just another sycophantic pawn. That is complete bullsh*t!!
He is not for liberty. All he wants is power, and, now that he's got it, he's abusing it!
Snabagag says he's against Fascism, but [B][I][U]HE'S INSTILLING IT IN THIS VERY REGION[/U][/I][/B].
Next he's gonna say something like, "The boldest measure are the safest measure," as an excuse to ban other dissidents.
I'm going to propose one thing. End your crude attacks on Snabagag and stop trying to start an argument. After this comment I will no longer respond to you because it will be a waste of time.
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I've been here for a while now, and I've been watching everything quietly. I know about everything Snabagag does.
You, ISA, sound like a Fascist dictator defending your superior blindly. Snabagag is not fighting for freedom.
HE IS BANNING PEOPLE. That is not freedom; that is OPPRESSION.
Snabagag is an oppressive tyrant!
You need to understand Snabagag is a Fascist. His actions have proven this.
I welcome you to Libertatem, Milltuh.
I have not suppressed one opinion because I disagree with it. I suppress posts that aren't allowed, and they are posts that are blatantly rude or advertising. Please do not accuse me of something I did not and do not do.
fas·cism
noun
1.
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
As I've said many times before and would be easy to find if you tried, fascism is an oppressive ideology akin to all statist ideologies. Therefore I outlawed it because it was not only against the beliefs of many nations in Libertatem but also because the fascists here were tearing the region apart.
Libertatem fights communism because it robs individuals of their liberties and therefore life. Fascism and any other statist ideology does just that and therefore it's obvious and highly logical that we fight other statist ideologies just as much as communism! I, the founder or any other WA delegate in power would not hesitate to banject a communist nation. You wouldn't criticize that, would you? It's no different from banjecting a fascist nation. No difference whatsoever.
I am no opponent of political freedom. Nations join Libertatem voluntarily and they have to adhere by the basic principles of this region. If they do not, they can't act all surprised upon getting ejected and/or banned.
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ISA, I don't care. This is what you always say when people try to expose Snabagag for the person he is, "You're being rude," or "You're starting an argument."
No, we're removing a dictator.
Abatael, get out. I'm not going to spend my time on answering your frivolous accuses.
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1. a governmental system led by a dictator Check.
2. having complete power Check
3. forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism Check
3. regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. N/A.
You are a dictator, Snabagag, and it's time for you to go.
You are an oppressive leader, if you can even be called a leader. You are tearing apart the Region. You didn't like Abatael, neither did Utopian States; everyone knows this. Then you banned him, saying he's tearing apart the Region, when it's you, who is doing that. There is a difference, you don't do it because you have morals, you do it, because you don't like them and you want your power.
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Need I remind you that we are leaders of nations? As you can see, I run my nation with liberty above all. My government has virtually no domestic power.
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Snabagag, trying to change the subject so you look good? What a classic dictatorial move.
Try harder, you Nazi.
Okay, guys, let's try and be reasonable here...
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In the interest of internal affairs, I implore you all to stop!
What in the Sam Hill is going on here?! As ambassador to the International Republican Union, I am alarmed by this excessive use of power.
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Do whatever you want, Snabagag, but you can't run away from you deposition. You're going to be out of power, real soon, and I, along with the rest of the people, will celebrate, when it happens.
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Eriksonica, or, rather, abuse of power.
I...said...STOP!
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Of course.
Now, Snabagag, I also implore you to resign from the Delegacy, even if that means you must temporarily resign from the WA. We, the people, are petitioning for your resignation.
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For the record ... Proletaerus deserves more than just his posts suppressed; he should be reported to the game mods for illegally adspamming this region. He actually broke two game rules ...
First, adspams for other regions are not allowed in a UCR unless there is a claim in the WFE that says they are allowed. Your WFE does not conatin such permission.
Second, even if adspams were legal in this region, Proletaerus posted adspams for his region twice in less than 24 hours ... and that is another blatant rule violation.
Furthermore ... if your founder believes your delegate is abusing power in the region, your founder could banject the delegate very easily.
Our founder isn't here, apparently. This is very worrisome.
Well then ... if your delegate is refusing to step down, those endorsing him need to unendorse him. Or everyone can wait until your founder returns. Whatever your solution, the outcome will take time. Try to calmly discuss your differing points of view.
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I am going to post again what I posted yesterday, and implore everyone considering whom to endorse to consider just that:
"A statement from Snabagag, on behalf of myself and the board:
Libertatem has been scorched by hateful and rigorous persecution, mainly by two parties: libertarians/conservatives/capitalists and fascists.
The board accepted upon my idea as to how to solve this and it is as follows:
Libertatem will not only be anti-communist, but also libertarian slanted. Fascists, leftists and any other kind of statists will not be tolerated and I, as WA Delegate have full authority to banject any fascist that enters the region; effective immediately.
There will be no fascist party either.
Therefore, I declare Libertatem an anti-communist region, a region united in fighting all kinds of statism, mainly communism, because it infringes upon individual liberties.
All nations that fall under a fascist category will therefore be banjected immediately.
I will answer any questions that may arise the best I can through telegrams.
Yours sincerely.
The United States of Snabagag"
Spamming implies firstly repetition, and secondly randomness, Tao, neither of which I did. I do not insight the nations of Libertatem to move for the fun of it, or even for the betterment of my now home region, who for all our conveniences I will not name again. I do it because of the blatant oppression of the nations of this region. They have chosen instead to openly oust a despot, a choice I respect even more. I may even return... Brauistan
I hate to be the one to say it, but I fear the fault lies in all of us, myself included. It takes two people to make an argument; the fascists are not the only ones to blame.
For the times I have wrongfully engaged in argument, I sincerely and humbly apologize.
Snabagag- "Tell a lie, tell a big lie, tell it often enough"- Joseph Goebbels. Repeating your mistruth will not deceive for long.
How am I lying?
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Exactly, Proletaerus, that is why we are exposing Snabagag.
People, do not -- I repeat DO NOT -- maintain your WA endorsements in Snabagag. Withdraw your WA Endorsements from Snabagag, so that this region may continue with the intentions Liberosia had in mind: Freedom. Make Liberosia proud and withdraw your endorsements from Snabagag.
Let freedom reign!
Snabagag's not lying, as he has not said anything untrue within his proposal. It's just a poor proposal.
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Proletaerus ... the RMB scroll shows a different story:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2029216
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2029861
In both of the posts tagged, you were recruiting for another region. Your reasons for posting are irrelevant and trumped by the Game's Rules. I say this to help you protect your nation from reproof. But, the fact is ... you broke the rules. You are welcome to go to the NS forum, find the ONE STOP RULES SHOP and read the rules for yourself.
@ Snabagag-You blame statism for tearing this region apart, when it is excluding this ally group, of which I am a part of, under the guise of ousting the Fascist, which I and many others are not part of. It is you, and others like you, that have this region to the brink of revolution, because you sought to deny legitimate political views, simply because you disagree with them.... Just answer me this- What is it about statism, MY statism, not fascism, that so repulses you that you feel the need to eject your allies in the fight against Communism?
A few statists and fascists have been rocking the boat quite a bit, though, Brauistan. Keep in mind that you have often been the most vocal.
So too, though, have libertarians and conservatives like myself. The thing is, we should all focus on agreeing rather than blaming someone for causing disagreement. That's what I think.
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm pressing blame, but my point is that our infighting is all our faults, and other problems are more likely the fault of communism. We must band together, all of us - united we stand, but divided we fall. (And I will not fall to the Reds today!)
CI, I have been vocal, I get that way when denied political representation. I do however, concur that we must agree, but only when we are happy with the status quo, which I, and others, were and are not.
Tao-I gave you my reasons, and do not agree entirely with your assessment of the situation, but I believe in the rule of law, and all spamming shall cease from this point on. Thank you for pointing out my error.
Out of curiosity ... why would an invader region need to bother with a delegate? By maintaining a delegate, you decrease the strength of a potential attack force by forcing WA nations to stay in the region to support the delegate. Thatseems counter-productive to me.
Then that is something we can agree on, Brauistan.
Infighting is caused by division, CI, and that division is only brought to the fore when one similar system is favoured, without precedent, over another. So it was and is in this region.
Naturally, the solution to that would be to encourage all systems. (We can exclude communism, though, as we INTEND to fight them.)
We in the International Republican Union oppose communism and fascism.
Let me reiterate.
The fascists here in Libertatem repeatedly sparked heated debates and there was no doubt between me and the founder that this would sooner or later lead to something bad for Libertatem, either the complete division of it or the complete corrosion of it. Fascists and libertarians can not work together and I took action because of that.
A lot of people agree with me, I won't call them a silent majority but they are here.
What repulses me so gravely about statism is the core of it, it assumes the state to be superior to the individual which poses a serious threat to the individual.
Are you also 'recruiting', Eriksonica? Because it looks like you are and that is not a good idea.
Now you're talking about disagreements.
It's plenty possible for libertarians and fascists to agree, especially if neither are too extreme. Both might think similarly of the economy, for example. Just...don't dwell on the disagreements as though there is only one correct way to think (that would be an example of communist ideology).
You do have a point, CI.
As do you; statistically speaking, you're accurate. I just think, though, that the right mindset can overcome precedent.
Snabagag- The state, in my opinion, is superior to the individual, in that it is a collection of said individuals. To take a practical example, would you rather fight ten individuals, hell bent only on their own survival, or ten people united in wanting to destroy you, without concern merely for themselves. That is all I ask with my statism, that the people stand united. I do not even seek to force it upon them, only make it the best option.
Is the current problem that nations of a particular philosophy are being ejected? You could offer a 'grace period' for nations your region may find offensive. During the 'grace period', the nation in question cold use issues to shift its politics to something more acceptable.
That's conformity, TAO. It isn't a practice I think we should be so quick to adopt, especially if we're to encourage diversity in opinion (and we need to for the sake of having allies in the fight against communism).
It is conformity only if every nation shifts to the SAME political stance. If you are anti-communist, and a communist nation wants to join the region, inform them they need to shift their politics by issue answering.
TAO, that doesn't change the opinion of the individual who controls the nation, then we'd just be putting blankets over a flaming red.
Well, I guess that's one way. Still, forcing people to change their beliefs (or their speech, at least) is not the way to handle differences in political stance.
We must seek to find something we can agree on. If we cannot, we should at least seek to understand. Brauistan offered his beliefs as to why he believes the state is superior to the individual, for example, and I am seeking to understand it.
That is all I ask for, CI, that we stand as separate, but similar ideologies, united against Communism. Yet we were denied this. Even Fascism, I would argue, stands diametrically opposed to Communism, unless its totalitarianism so undermines economy and liberty that it becomes nought but a mimic. In Italy, Mussolini sought to rid his nation of Communists, but could only preserve the structure he had started with, an unequal, unjust society ruled by aristocrats and the Catholic Church. Then he came under the sway of Hitler, who I wash my hands of in terms of any of my ideas.
*TAO, that doesn't change the opinion of the individual who controls the nation, then we'd just be putting blankets over a flaming red.*
Possibly. But who determines that? I am sure lots of players in this game have nations whose politics are different from their own RL politic. And, if a nation IS willing to change its stance (through issues), that implies a willingness to fit in.
Perhaps.
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Truth is this, Snabagag ... you really can't know a player from his/her nation politics. You know them through dialogue and participation. I have found that players will often relocate themselves if/when they feel they are a 'wrong' community.
* in a 'wrong' community
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In which case, you'd have my full support.
Can I return to a previous question?
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2030938
I don't even know why we have the invader tag. :/
Welcome Create Nations!
Welcome, Create Nations.
Goshdarn, TCLoF. You beat me to it.
I realize that. :)
*waves at Tiger*
Good to see you here, dear. How are things?
TAO, you make perfect sense. I am going to have a close look at my actions.
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...Some of our members have been awfully quiet. Has our Board been doing anything?
I have the full support of the board. It would be better if they spoke, though.
Create Nations, welcome to Libertatem!
We have quite a few "United States" here, don't we?
Haha, we do indeed. Better united than divided (cough).
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Well, this is awkward.
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I haven't said that three times today or ever. That is the first I said that. I have requested them to withdraw their WA endorsements, and I will continue to do so.
You should no, however, that not everyone is on right now.
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hello Im traveling with geese! its good to be here this looks like a friendly place
and now.. time to write a book :)
thank you for the welcoming words Ive just noticed that :)
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Yeah, that's what I said, and I didn't twist your words, liar.
Liar? Oh you...
As to you, Create Nations, may your stay be pleasant.
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Yes, you are a liar. You are a despot. You are a Fascist. You are an atheist. You are not Libertarian. This much we know.
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This is why I called you a liar.
You are a liar. (You're lying right now.)
You are Fascist, or, at the very least, Fascistic, which is no better.
You are not libertarian; you're actions irrevocably prove this.
Stop lying.
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You know what's rude? Banning people, giving a bullsh*t excuse to the remaining people, then acting like nothing ever happened, and, when petitioned by the people to stop, you do nothing.
That's rude. You are a dictator.
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Go ahead, don't answer.
That doesn't mean sh*t; you're still base; you're still a Fascist; you're still no libertarian; you're still a dictator no better than Hitler or Stalin, or Castro, Amin or Pol Pot; you're still a liar.
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You accuse me of lying.
What you have done is Fascistic, it is despotic and is tyrannical, but then you claim you are for freedom, but YOU BANNED OVER THREE PEOPLE FOR THEIR BELIEFS.
That is what DICTATORS do. YOU ARE A DICTATOR AND A LIAR. You are not a libertarian. You are a Fascist.
You should be ashamed of yourself, but you're not, because you have no morals. It's disgusting.
The way you operate with impunity is even worse. You are offending; you are lying.
Stop it now. I am demanding you remove all those people from the Ban List and resign from the WA Delegacy.
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You're worse than Obama.
I will show you no respect. You are lower than a snake. You lie, you abuse, you manipulate, and you deceive.
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This region is DEAD and has been taken over by an evil dictator WA Delegate Snabagag. This region is getting weaker . Nothing is happening and your founder hasn't been active in days. Libertatem will collapse in a few days and The Federal Islands will triumph over Libertatem and will win this war.
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.