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Region: Libertatem

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Der Besten wrote:I fell like I deserve a prize for the least safe in the region. (And by a wide margin)

Were sending you a helmet made of glass and sewing needles.

Humpheria wrote:Now, that the whole new constitution business is out of the way and we are all wiser we need to start working on actual reform. I think that we need to work on some sort of amendment to reform the function of the various offices in the "top brass" of the region. I hope that we can all look over the past twenty-four hours and move on to holding hands and singing Kumbaya again.

Absolutely!

Only if everyone sings and plsys guitar equally of course, unless of course they choose not too. XD

Der Besten wrote:I fell like I deserve a prize for the least safe in the region. (And by a wide margin)

As the nation three slots ahead of you in safety, we would like to offer you socks made of gasoline and a floor made of fire.

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Well, actually, five, somehow.

Look, at us one big happy family again. I love you guys.

Sorry for the inactivity before, I was at a party. Tomorrow morning I'll toss around some ideas for the next reform bill :)

Der Besten wrote:I fell like I deserve a prize for the least safe in the region. (And by a wide margin)

As the nation after the least safe nation we will send you a basket full of guns. I guess you will made good use of it in your nation.

Der Besten wrote:I fell like I deserve a prize for the least safe in the region. (And by a wide margin)

As the nation after the least safe nation we will send you a basket full of guns. I guess you will made good use of it in your nation.

Post self-deleted by Free Korealand.

Pxoria condemned me in the FFS for holding the position of "Manager of Internal Affairs" that I was just appointed and I never asked for. Anyway, I accept the appointment. Thank you! :)

What is happening here? First we got ISA, then the Lone Star and now The Seafield Islands as Manager of Internal Afairs. Since when is it normal to switch like this?

Islands, it's a very unorthodox for me to do, but only because of an unorthodox situation. Ever heard of the 'Wets' in Margaret Thatcher's cabinet? Basically they were disloyal to her and openly opposing her policies. A leader needs a supportive cabinet, not one that will undermine your policies.

ISA did exactly this, so I chucked him out. I gave The Lone Star his position, but he didn't want it, so I appointed Seafield.

So guys, what kind of music are you into? I'm an 80s man myself. Rick Astley FTW! :D

Basically, if it sounds good, I'll listen to it.

Primarily, the Beatles and various other 20th century music, since there seems to be a trend with older things being better than newer things. Avatar (the cartoon one, not the blue people) is basically the only exception to this, but that's not music. It does have pretty amazing music, though.

Also, most music out of video games is done pretty well, I find.

I adore Zeppelin, but music from this century makes me want to vomit.

Humpheria wrote:but music from this century makes me want to vomit.

If I had wanted to use a more blunt wording in my post, this is pretty much what I would have said.

Post self-deleted by Muh Roads.

I'm more of a folk/psychedelic man myself. Jefferson airplane is my all time favorite group.

Mostly electronica/ EDM but I also do enjoy rock and indie music (a good example of a song I love is Imagine Dragons' Radioactive)

Hey everybody I'm baaaack!

Sorry I was inactive yesterday, I was at a campout.

Pevvania wrote:Islands, it's a very unorthodox for me to do, but only because of an unorthodox situation. Ever heard of the 'Wets' in Margaret Thatcher's cabinet? Basically they were disloyal to her and openly opposing her policies. A leader needs a supportive cabinet, not one that will undermine your policies.

ISA did exactly this, so I chucked him out. I gave The Lone Star his position, but he didn't want it, so I appointed Seafield.

I see. I hope this Manager will stay for a while.

I'm about to get hit by a tornado. It is chaos right now.

Humpheria wrote:I'm about to get hit by a tornado. It is chaos right now.

Oh damn, We're under a Warning right now. Be safe.

Humpheria wrote:I'm about to get hit by a tornado. It is chaos right now.

Stay safe, mate.

What the fellas above me said. My prayers are with you, Humpheria and Acranea. Here's hoping that you stay safe.

Pevvania wrote:What the fellas above me said. My prayers are with you, Humpheria and Acranea. Here's hoping that you stay safe.

^This

It got pretty crazy in Southern Indiana but we're good again. Thanks all

The commie filth took over another region :(

R.I.P The Republican Party

*starts playing funeral music*

Can we take it back?

Humpheria wrote:Can we take it back?

If can get 18 or more raid participants, we might be able to.

I'm in, so the other 17 of you, hurry up.

I'll fight but I think we responded too late. I thought we had a commander of military affairs?? What happend to that?

Blahbania is the Manager of Military Affairs

I already signed up for some kind of thing with Blahbania, so I guess I'll count myself towards that number.

Humpheria wrote:Blahbania is the Manager of Military Affairs

Ah good to know. But perhaps it would be more effective to watch what Communist regions are planning to do and then move over to a Region and endorse the current leader while the Communist endorse there own guy. They usually don't send many more troops than have endorsed the regular leader so if we add on a few more endorsements it would stop the Commies in their tracks.

Another thought is why don't we just let them destroy regions. Because everyone will just move to a bigger Conservative region.... Eventually there would only be 2 or 3 SUPER regions that would have every country in them so I mean there's no way to win this war unless the commies take all the conservative regions until We are the only one left and everyone joins us then we don't attack the commies until all of the conservative regions are gone when we attack them there would be 1 Conservative Super Region and 100 Commie Regions we would crush all of them in one feld swoop if we attack all of the Commie Regions at once and left none untouched

That is a total pipe dream. People on this game are notoriously opinionated and rarely cooperate on levels that large. Look how we almost dissolved to civil war just discussing regional reform, and we are, relatively, on the same page. Now imagine hundreds of nations trying to cooperate to form an actual effective military organization. It just wouldn't work

Lack There Of wrote:That is a total pipe dream. People on this game are notoriously opinionated and rarely cooperate on levels that large. Look how we almost dissolved to civil war just discussing regional reform, and we are, relatively, on the same page. Now imagine hundreds of nations trying to cooperate to form an actual effective military organization. It just wouldn't work

Good point, Lack There of. I still think we should go in and take back The Republican Party.

Lack There Of wrote:That is a total pipe dream. People on this game are notoriously opinionated and rarely cooperate on levels that large. Look how we almost dissolved to civil war just discussing regional reform, and we are, relatively, on the same page. Now imagine hundreds of nations trying to cooperate to form an actual effective military organization. It just wouldn't work

Good point.... The real problem with this game is that Wars are un winnable because you just move your country no one actually dies and no resources are used. The best case senario is to invad a region of someone so often that they get pissed off from the game and stop playing but that's hardly a thing to consider good

Humpheria wrote:I'm in, so the other 17 of you, hurry up.

The Onion Knight wrote:Sign me up

The United States Of Zion wrote:I'll fight but I think we responded too late. I thought we had a commander of military affairs?? What happend to that?

Miencraft wrote:I already signed up for some kind of thing with Blahbania, so I guess I'll count myself towards that number.

5 (including myself) are in.

13 more people to go.

Any more questions or comments, just TG me.

The United States Of Zion wrote:Ah good to know. But perhaps it would be more effective to watch what Communist regions are planning to do and then move over to a Region and endorse the current leader while the Communist endorse there own guy. They usually don't send many more troops than have endorsed the regular leader so if we add on a few more endorsements it would stop the Commies in their tracks.

Another thought is why don't we just let them destroy regions. Because everyone will just move to a bigger Conservative region.... Eventually there would only be 2 or 3 SUPER regions that would have every country in them so I mean there's no way to win this war unless the commies take all the conservative regions until We are the only one left and everyone joins us then we don't attack the commies until all of the conservative regions are gone when we attack them there would be 1 Conservative Super Region and 100 Commie Regions we would crush all of them in one feld swoop if we attack all of the Commie Regions at once and left none untouched

Amazing idea! :D

Let's find regions that would help us.

Who will be willing to help with this large task?

The United States Of Zion wrote:Ah good to know. But perhaps it would be more effective to watch what Communist regions are planning to do and then move over to a Region and endorse the current leader while the Communist endorse there own guy. They usually don't send many more troops than have endorsed the regular leader so if we add on a few more endorsements it would stop the Commies in their tracks.

Another thought is why don't we just let them destroy regions. Because everyone will just move to a bigger Conservative region.... Eventually there would only be 2 or 3 SUPER regions that would have every country in them so I mean there's no way to win this war unless the commies take all the conservative regions until We are the only one left and everyone joins us then we don't attack the commies until all of the conservative regions are gone when we attack them there would be 1 Conservative Super Region and 100 Commie Regions we would crush all of them in one feld swoop if we attack all of the Commie Regions at once and left none untouched

We could get them to join this organization:

The Reagan Treaty Organization

Everyone, please find Anti-Communist regions, and try to convince them to join.

Thanks,

Here's the REAGAN Treaty:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=142472

Muh Roads will join the battle..

I don't think it's a good idea to save The Republcan Party. While I admire your enthusiasm, we won't recruit 18 nations for a raid. The Red Fleet has many more troops than us, and their organisational capabilities are superb. Most of you are untrained and inexperienced in raiding, which would need to be worked on before any major ops. Anyway, The Republican Party is a RINO region that was created by a fascist, so I don't think we have much justifiable cause to save them.

How about we raid a small to medium-sized communist region instead? We could use some good target practice.

Pevvania wrote:I don't think it's a good idea to save The Republcan Party. While I admire your enthusiasm, we won't recruit 18 nations for a raid. The Red Fleet has many more troops than us, and their organisational capabilities are superb. Most of you are untrained and inexperienced in raiding, which would need to be worked on before any major ops. Anyway, The Republican Party is a RINO region that was created by a fascist, so I don't think we have much justifiable cause to save them.

How about we raid a small to medium-sized communist region instead? We could use some good target practice.

*exasperated sigh* Dang it I was hoping for some action. Why Pev, why?

I know I sound like a party pooper, but it's just too risky.

But bare in mind I'm not ordering you guys not to go in, just advising against it. Go in if you want to (and if you can get that much support), but I think it'd be best if we try an easier raid first, before challenging the full might of the Red Fleet straight off.

I second Pev's objections

I've sent a TG with a link to a special chat room to all who've expressed interest in conducting a raid. Let me know if you'd like the link.

Pevvania wrote:I don't think it's a good idea to save The Republcan Party. While I admire your enthusiasm, we won't recruit 18 nations for a raid. The Red Fleet has many more troops than us, and their organisational capabilities are superb. Most of you are untrained and inexperienced in raiding, which would need to be worked on before any major ops. Anyway, The Republican Party is a RINO region that was created by a fascist, so I don't think we have much justifiable cause to save them.

How about we raid a small to medium-sized communist region instead? We could use some good target practice.

Alright then let's get trained!

*Cue Rocky music*

Zion, talk to me on the Chatzy link I sent you.

Pevvania wrote:I don't think it's a good idea to save The Republcan Party. While I admire your enthusiasm, we won't recruit 18 nations for a raid. The Red Fleet has many more troops than us, and their organisational capabilities are superb. Most of you are untrained and inexperienced in raiding, which would need to be worked on before any major ops. Anyway, The Republican Party is a RINO region that was created by a fascist, so I don't think we have much justifiable cause to save them.

How about we raid a small to medium-sized communist region instead? We could use some good target practice.

Let's get this party started!

Whatever happens, I turn on the air raid sirens.

Vote on: POLICY-A

I am now putting a small amendment to the POLICY Act to vote. (We'll just call it POLICY-A.) It is simply removing two lines, highlighted in bold, from the POLICY Act, which is displayed below.

POLICY Act

Preparing Orderly Legislation In Considering You Act

Section I

Believing that all nations are created equal and entitled to their natural rights, this Act of the House affirms the distinction between libertarian nations and authoritarian nations.

Libertatem is officially opposed to all forms of heavy authoritarianism (economic or social violence/violations of individual rights by other individuals or the government). And in accordance with these free and libertarian principles, we, holding these truths to be self evident, differentiate the political and economic beliefs of nations or regions.

Regardless of names of so called affiliations, hence forth, all nations and regions professing a societal or game-oriented authoritarian ideology (i.e. an ideology that in any way uses the State for purposes other than the defense of individual rights and the most basic functions of government).

This legislation applies to some, but not all, forms of communism, most forms of socialism, and all forms of fascism when these things are applied to politics or the macro economy.

[B]This is the definition of Libertatem's War. A War against totalitarianism, and, therefore, a War for Freedom, Liberty, and real Equality.

Therefore, the Regional Factbook will now read "War on Totalitarianism".[/B]

Section II

This Act authorizes the immediate repeal of the PATRIOT Act for the purpose of revision/re-authorization and examination of the questionable explicit constitutionality of this Act, as well as its conducivness to Freedom.

Section III

Re-affirming Article VII, Section I of the Constitution of Libertatem. Believing that these rights are unalienable, self-evident, sacred, undeniable, and absolute: that no longer may they be infringed for any purpose.

Re-affirming especially the Right to Freedom of Speech, hereby banning the practice of suppression (but not ejection/banjection) by any nation for any reason in the region Libertatem.

Section IV

Clearing the Regional Ban list for the purpose of creating a fresh, free, and cleansed region.

Pevvania wrote:Vote on: POLICY-A

I am now putting a small amendment to the POLICY Act to vote. (We'll just call it POLICY-A.) It is simply removing two lines, highlighted in bold, from the POLICY Act, which is displayed below.

POLICY Act

Preparing Orderly Legislation In Considering You Act

Section I

Believing that all nations are created equal and entitled to their natural rights, this Act of the House affirms the distinction between libertarian nations and authoritarian nations.

Libertatem is officially opposed to all forms of heavy authoritarianism (economic or social violence/violations of individual rights by other individuals or the government). And in accordance with these free and libertarian principles, we, holding these truths to be self evident, differentiate the political and economic beliefs of nations or regions.

Regardless of names of so called affiliations, hence forth, all nations and regions professing a societal or game-oriented authoritarian ideology (i.e. an ideology that in any way uses the State for purposes other than the defense of individual rights and the most basic functions of government).

This legislation applies to some, but not all, forms of communism, most forms of socialism, and all forms of fascism when these things are applied to politics or the macro economy.

[B]This is the definition of Libertatem's War. A War against totalitarianism, and, therefore, a War for Freedom, Liberty, and real Equality.

Therefore, the Regional Factbook will now read "War on Totalitarianism".[/B]

Section II

This Act authorizes the immediate repeal of the PATRIOT Act for the purpose of revision/re-authorization and examination of the questionable explicit constitutionality of this Act, as well as its conducivness to Freedom.

Section III

Re-affirming Article VII, Section I of the Constitution of Libertatem. Believing that these rights are unalienable, self-evident, sacred, undeniable, and absolute: that no longer may they be infringed for any purpose.

Re-affirming especially the Right to Freedom of Speech, hereby banning the practice of suppression (but not ejection/banjection) by any nation for any reason in the region Libertatem.

Section IV

Clearing the Regional Ban list for the purpose of creating a fresh, free, and cleansed region.

Looks pretty good.

About the regional ban-list, it's already clear, and there are no nations banned.

I know. POLICY-A is simply removing two lines of text from the POLICY Act.

Another outpost of tyranny bites the bullet.The North Korean Politburo has been seized!

Pevvania wrote:Another outpost of tyranny bites the bullet.The North Korean Politburo has been seized!

Hooray!

*starts playing Yankee Doodle*

Don't forget this fascist tyrannical outpost.:

Laiklandic Commonwealth is now free from tyranny in all its forms.

Pevvania wrote:Vote on: POLICY-A

I am now putting a small amendment to the POLICY Act to vote. (We'll just call it POLICY-A.) It is simply removing two lines, highlighted in bold, from the POLICY Act, which is displayed below.

POLICY Act

Preparing Orderly Legislation In Considering You Act

Section I

Believing that all nations are created equal and entitled to their natural rights, this Act of the House affirms the distinction between libertarian nations and authoritarian nations.

Libertatem is officially opposed to all forms of heavy authoritarianism (economic or social violence/violations of individual rights by other individuals or the government). And in accordance with these free and libertarian principles, we, holding these truths to be self evident, differentiate the political and economic beliefs of nations or regions.

Regardless of names of so called affiliations, hence forth, all nations and regions professing a societal or game-oriented authoritarian ideology (i.e. an ideology that in any way uses the State for purposes other than the defense of individual rights and the most basic functions of government).

This legislation applies to some, but not all, forms of communism, most forms of socialism, and all forms of fascism when these things are applied to politics or the macro economy.

[B]This is the definition of Libertatem's War. A War against totalitarianism, and, therefore, a War for Freedom, Liberty, and real Equality.

Therefore, the Regional Factbook will now read "War on Totalitarianism".[/B]

Section II

This Act authorizes the immediate repeal of the PATRIOT Act for the purpose of revision/re-authorization and examination of the questionable explicit constitutionality of this Act, as well as its conducivness to Freedom.

Section III

Re-affirming Article VII, Section I of the Constitution of Libertatem. Believing that these rights are unalienable, self-evident, sacred, undeniable, and absolute: that no longer may they be infringed for any purpose.

Re-affirming especially the Right to Freedom of Speech, hereby banning the practice of suppression (but not ejection/banjection) by any nation for any reason in the region Libertatem.

Section IV

Clearing the Regional Ban list for the purpose of creating a fresh, free, and cleansed region.

Why are we removing those lines.

I am whole heartedly against this amendment. There is already legislation that maintains freedom of speech on the RMB (I don't remember what it is, but I remember voting on it, and will search for it). In addition any form of socialism is honestly tyranny. "Anarcho-Socalism/syndicalism/Communism" is all just smoke and mirrors "freedom" it's merely tyranny by the majority. I am still in favor if focusing on commie regions and will oppose any movement away from it.

Umm... I think you misunderstand why I'm trying to amend this. POLICY mandates that our war be one on totalitarianism/tyranny. This is too vague and bordering on politically correct. I want to return to the War on Communism, the very cause that Libertatem was founded on. It's in our blood, and we should come back to it.

I've examined the act again and have realised that it doesn't specifically prohibit changing the name back to WoC. I'll take POLICY-A off the floor, and instead unofficially ask y'all:

Should we re-redub our war a War on Communism? (We'd still be opposed to fascism and other forms of tyranny, of course.)

I say leave it as is. The name has little to do with anything.

Pevvania wrote:Should we re-redub our war a War on Communism? (We'd still be opposed to fascism and other forms of tyranny, of course.)

Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssss!

"[B]This legislation applies to some, but not all, forms of communism, most forms of socialism[/B]"

This is a contradictory to a War on communism

Lack There Of wrote:"[B]This legislation applies to some, but not all, forms of communism, most forms of socialism[/B]"

This is a contradictory to a War on communism

You dont say

Then why would we pass it?

I thought this was an anti-commie reading region. Was I misinformed?

FreedomRider,whoever you are, you took the words right out of my mouth.

The United Regions wrote:can I take Turkey

Sure.

For those of you in America, what is your opinion on the Obamacare fiasco? If any of you Europeans know anything about it feel free to comment.

Humpheria wrote:For those of you in America, what is your opinion on the Obamacare fiasco? If any of you Europeans know anything about it feel free to comment.

Bit of a classic example of government inefficiency.

Mallaska wrote:Bit of a classic example of government inefficiency.

Good way of putting it.

Humpheria wrote:For those of you in America, what is your opinion on the Obamacare fiasco? If any of you Europeans know anything about it feel free to comment.

Another example of how the government wrecks everything it touches.

Blahbania wrote:Another example of how the government wrecks everything it touches.

The bigger the government, the more things it can touch.

Freedomrider wrote:I thought this was an anti-commie reading region. Was I misinformed?

No this is an Anti-Communist, Anti-Fascist, Anti-Police State, Anti-Corporatism faction however it would seem that there are some who think we should not reject such nations if they joined the Region

My Personal opinion is HEEEEEEL To the NO!!! The Reason: I see this region as something similar to NATO and NATO was designed to fight Tyranny they would never allow Commies to join because it was a coalition of FREE countries in an alliance with each other

Hi! I would like to announce that I will join the RLP. :)

The following nations:

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands[/nation]

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands in Libertatem[/nation]

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands IRU Senator[/nation]

are now given equal status as main nations.

Humpheria wrote:For those of you in America, what is your opinion on the Obamacare fiasco? If any of you Europeans know anything about it feel free to comment.

They'd probably have been better off spending all that money putting more shrimp on treadmills.

For those who aren't aware, the feds spent millions (probably billions, but I'm not so sure about that one) doing "scientific" experiments involving shrimp and treadmills.

Don't know what they'd be testing, but it sure was a good way to blow off some of that imaginary money they seem to have a bottomless supply of.

Obamacare is very ill-conceived, but it's certainly better than what was in place before. The best way to lower healthcare costs is to get the government out of the industry completely. It needs to be 100% detaxed and deregulated.

[B]To Arms![/B]

Your region needs you

to raid some Communists!

Enlist for Operation: Urgent Fury and help us destroy a communist region!

Raid leader: [nation=short]Blahbania[/nation](?)

Awesome. I'll TG you details.

yo, did I hear 'raid some Communists'?!

Better than what was in place before? No sir! We are forced to have healthcare or face a tax penalty and the prices are muuuccchhh higher than the previous systems cost. I'm one of the lucky few who could keep my current insurance plan... but I know lots of people whose plan was dropped. They were forced to shop the obamacare marketplace. At first the site didn't even work.. but when it finally did, they couldn't get comparable insurance as cheap as they had it before. Obama even apologized about the whole situation.

Free market healthcare is what needs to happen..

Also, Tg me details.. im in too.

Muh Roads wrote:Better than what was in place before? No sir! We are forced to have healthcare or face a tax penalty and the prices are muuuccchhh higher than the previous systems cost. I'm one of the lucky few who could keep my current insurance plan... but I know lots of people whose plan was dropped. They were forced to shop the obamacare marketplace. At first the site didn't even work.. but when it finally did, they couldn't get comparable insurance as cheap as they had it before. Obama even apologized about the whole situation.

Free market healthcare is what needs to happen..

*Applauds with tears rolling down face*

The Seafield Islands In Libertatem wrote:The following nations:

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands[/nation]

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands in Libertatem[/nation]

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands IRU Senator[/nation]

are now given equal status as main nations.

Congrats Seafield! :)

Humpheria wrote:*Applauds with tears rolling down face*

Haha.. thanks.

His actual apology..

“I am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me,” Obama said in an interview with NBC News. “We’ve got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and that we’re going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this.” -Washington Post

Everything they can huh? Except for maybe moving to repeal Obamacare... lol

Fact is, I'm dependent on daily medication. With my insurance it costs me $115 a month. Without, im looking at $1715 a month.. If i lost my health insurance over Obamacare... I'd be just as angry and afraid as the people that already have. I hope that Obamacare will be a wake up call for the 2016 elections.

I haven't lived in the US in a while, so you'd probably know more about the situation than I. But I agree that free market healthcare would be the ultimate system in the long term. Disabled and lower-income people would lose mandated coverage in the short-term, which would be a bummer, but as market processes increase competition which lowers costs and therefore lowers premiums, coverage mandates would not be needed, as healthcare would be affordable for most Americans.

The Seafield Islands In Libertatem wrote:The following nations:

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands[/nation]

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands in Libertatem[/nation]

• [nation=short]The Seafield Islands IRU Senator[/nation]

are now given equal status as main nations.

I'm not sure what that actually means and would appreciate an explanation

Does anyone here have interest in sending active puppets to The Federal Islands 2nd Gen? It would be greatly appreciated, and foster more friendliness and familiarity between the two regions (as we are now constructing embassies).

I'll send one over soon, Al Maulid :)

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