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Region: Libertatem
Okay, it was late, honestly I skimmed the proposal, but I will now join Humpheria in opposition.
No offense to CI, but I believe I was always a proponent of CI not being able to run 2 regions. And now I see that we have let it happened. *gasp*
But let's all simmer down and keep in mind that they are our allies, and that if they ran for political office here and actually got elected, it would be by the vote of citizens of Libertatem. And as the RLP always is quick to remind everyone, if people vote for someone to be in office and some people don't like it, that sucks. I'm also pretty certain a few of you probably have a puppet over in IRU that have probably held a political office at some point, so let's not pretend like we don't do the same thing guys.
I'll only vote on the Treaty if the Nays require it, since I'm pretty inactive
I second humps list of concerns, however, I refuse to think CI would intentionally try to achieve theses goals for personal gain. Rather, I see the issues arising from unintended consequences from the actions.
I find the most troubling aspect to be the idea that it would be ok to team up with our sworn enemies. Not only is this constitutionally questionable i remember us trying to do this in the past and it leading to a series of horrific events.
For the record, Im uncertain wether or not I actually have citizenship due to my extended leave of absence
Again, that was just a random suggestion. I'm sorry for even bringing it up.
*whether
(On a mobile)
It's not something to just throw around like that
Yes, because God forbid we ever enlist anti-fascists to fight the authoritarian right
Apologies for taking so long to get the RADIO Act on the floor. I've been very busy, literally doing something every single day, and I've started a new job, so I haven't had as much time for NS. I'll get on amending it right away.
Although it does annoy me that the Board could only be bothered to bring up changes right when I put it to vote, and not the previous times when I proposed it and asked if it was OK.
I can't express how frustrated I am at all of this.
The only people who support my proposal haven't read it, because they don't see any problems with it. And the only people who don't support my proposal...haven't read it, or at least skimmed it, because they are misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. Of all of these people, none have come up with ideas for emendations or alternatives - and frankly, this isn't the first time this has happened.
Every time I have some sort of executive authority (and yes, this sort of thing happens a lot in the IRU too), people expect me to take all of the initiative. I'm expected to make the big decisions while everyone else simply reacts to the outcome. I know, I know, I'm not the only one concerned about our population, our allies, and our military, but it certainly feels like I'm the only one trying to do anything about it.
So, you know what? I'm holding off on writing the rest of the Third REAGAN Treaty until further notice. If you like the idea, you come up with a way to make it work. And if you don't like the idea, you come up with an alternative. I may be obligated to represent you all, and I may even have to hold your hand, but you all should know damn well I'm not doing this alone. We all love freedom here - if you want to keep yours, act like it and get more involved in our political process.
*drops microphone and storms off*
That's alright, Pev - your RADIO Act is the closest thing I've seen to non-executive initiative all term, and I'm glad you're still willing to work on it despite the difficulty of your peers.
In regards to the opposition brought up against the President's proposal, some very valid points have been brought up. The conflict of interest concerning IRU has never really been discussed before, and, needless to say, negotiating an end to our conflict with the Red Fleet is not a serious proposal.
However, breaking down borders is a very appealing idea. We can pursue this with many regions aside from the IRU - CLU, FFS, Capitalist Paradise, CFN.
And it comes as no surprise to me that people still aren't listening. *begins throwing tables*
Calm down little grasshopper.
I have resubmitted the RADIO Act to the Board. Vote count:
AYE
Humpheria
Pevvania
Just out of curiosity, suppose it wasn't CI who proposed the third REAGAN treaty, would the opposition still be there? Suppose someone without ties to any other region proposed it, would the opposition still be there? Personally, I find nothing wrong with opening up the borders to close allies, people we already know we can trust. I refuse to work with RF, however, we have raided with communists before and had a glorious victory doing so. I'm staunchly anti-authortarian, I don't want to work with them... BUT the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Please don't misconstrue that.
The Aradites
I mean, it's pretty hard to misconstrue that
I guess the point I'm trying to make is, I don't want to go out and join forces with regions who are clearly authoritarian communists, fascists, or the like. (I know communism is inherently authoritarian, but that is besides the point). When Libertatem teamed up with TBC, we were able to beat the enemies senseless. Unfortunately it's entirely true we could not have won that fight without their extra support. That's one reasons why I personally think CIs idea good, because it opens doors for more individuals to fight the good fight. It creates better unity among REATO. We need to take whatever measures possible to create a larger and more capable military and I'm not saying going as far as teaming up with the fash/Authoritarian communists. But would I have a problem fighting along side a few An-coms? Not really.
Not to mention, since we have opened our doors to most ideologies anyhow, what harm is done helping an-coms destroy an aggressive authoritarian communist region anyway? Serious question. Maybe I'm in the wrong?
It's unconstitutional. Article VIII.
What is wrong with foreign powers waiting their turn? They have the additional wait time because they owe fealty to another government and should have to prove themselves before they are given a voice in our elections or access to our government.
Article VIII is the term act... lol
I can't remember for the life of me the name of the region we secured... but your saying that operation was unconstitutional? (Was it CAPS?)
There's not too much wrong with them waiting their turn, however you cannot tell me that we have enough active members. Maybe if they felt a bit more welcomed and knew what opportunities await them in Libertatem they may feel more obliged to join. CI's solution isn't the only one we are capable of coming up with obviously, but I felt it was a very good start to help answer an issue we obviously struggle with.
Apologies, scrolled to fast. Your right. I knew what you meant anyway lol
too*
You're*
If that happened, yes. But I wasn't Attorney General then. That happened during my hiatus. In fact, my last as President was to authorize that, but I did not authorize a co-op.
The fact still stands that they are a citizen of a foreign power. I think that if they really wanted to be involved here, it would be worth the wait.
A little busy right now, so I can't respond to everything. But the RADIO Act has passed by a 4-1 vote. It now awaits the President's signature or veto.
Vote count:
Pevvania AYE
Right-Winged nation AYE
Humpheria AYE
Northern Prussia NAY
Muh Roads AYE
My face when I find out that [nation=short]Misley[/nation] is an "an"-com:
http://www.tickld.com/cdn_image_content/121717.jpg
I sign the RADIO Act into law. Libertatem Radio is hereby disbanded.
Celebrate by making your own radio station and/or making requests for Fortside Rock Radio.
Now if you'll excuse me... *continues angrily destroying furniture*
O/
Muh phone does not help my grammar.
You'd be potentially taking out most of this region if you pressed charges...CI needs a hug
Dudeism?
My Lack there of senses are tingling.
Lack There Of
Never said I would take action.
I'm really surprised to see that somebody voted against the radio privatization act, Northern Prussia, could we know more about the reasons of your opposition ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsw0KVRjCM
You're not wrong
It's rather concerning that someone could. I'm curious to know where we draw the line at "moderately leftist".
I will shortly.
Hello everyone. I'm kinda new here.
Welcome to Libertatem!
The magazine/website 'The Libertarian Republic' should better be called 'The Republican Republic'.
Republic Of Minerva
Is anyone else showing the Liberty Gazette as non-existent?
I mean, there was just a discussion on how Barry's antics destroyed NS++.
I guess we can just make independent newspapers now :]
Is everyone dead? No one responds to my telegrams and it makes me sad.
Siddown boi, y'aint tg'ed me in sisteen daze
It's the end of the world!
*Alduin, Corypheus, and other WRPG villains tag-team the very essence of creation in the background behind me* What makes you say that?
I had opposed the now passed legislation, for its provisions of Section II. I feel that this law should not prohibit the regional government from owning a radio station, as much as any other nation who wishes to host their own. It was in my opinion that the board allow for the government to continue its use of the radio, while other nations can have their own too.
Why should the government have the right to hold an official station over an individual. Why should the government have 'rights' like an individual. It is not an individual.
The New United States
Apologies for my inactivity. The new NationStates is painfully slow, glitchy and grinding. I may have to uninstall NS++
I did.
Is it working better?
Yes. Infinitely.
But is not our government a collective voice of the people? Or a separate entity who does not operate on the basis of the people and clear cuts its own people for its own ambition.
Why not let the people just make their own stations and skip the midddleman?
What does everyone here think of a land value tax as a primary mean to fund a minarchist state? While I don't necessarily agree with the ethics behind the LVT 100%, I see the utilitarian benefits and I believe it would a much better alternative to the FairTax proposal.
Here's Friedman on the close relative of a LVT, the property tax, and why it's the best tax:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7Jb58hcsc
See you are making this argument that the government will regulate who can and can't have a station. I am not. All I feel is that the government be able to have a station as equal to others.
Why? It is the government. Why are you treating the government like an individual with individual rights?
I respect your principled position, Boardmember Prussia, but as Humpheria says, the government has no authority to establish a radio station. It is an institution that is forced upon us by the mechanics of the game as designed by Max Barry. Its existence is unavoidable, lest we want to be overwhelmed by a foreign military force. Because of this, we should keep the state limited to what only the state can do in this game.
I agree. I am not a fan of geolibertarianism, but an LVT would be a fantastic replacement for property taxes as a source of local revenue.
Republic Of Minerva
Racial profiling is racist, but affirmative action isn't.
I am not sure how liberals can maintain this contradiction.
Regardless of the opinion of the majority, my stance is resolute. I recognize the position of the majority, and I will abide by the outcome. Something that should always be upheld.
Because obviously you're racist. ~Al Sharpton/Eric Holder/Insert Person Here
EVERYONE!
I understand that the majority of you are mad at NS because of NS++ being crapshooted. But, we cannot bear this activity blow. I know that it will be difficult for some of you, but if all else fails, just go back to regular NS, it works great.
Saint Patrick's Day: Mardi Gras for the Irish.
I'm currently celebrating being 1/8th Irish. Everybody look at me!
I'm holding out on Obama that he will pardon every non-violent drug offender on the last day of his presidency. Who knows, it could happen. He doesn't have the balls to publicly push for decriminalisation of any drug, but I think in his heart he knows the Drug War must come to an end.
Hallo Island
Hallo Island
Sorry Pev but your giving Obama way too much credit for believing the war on drugs must end. I'm not entirely sure he even realizes it exists.
Lol
Muh Roads
Watch out, everyone - the US economy has officially begun deflating.
There's gonna be some real wrath of God stuff! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and eas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes! Volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
brb, checking up on krugman
Pev you and I need to have a beer. The offer is still on the tables to drink and shoot AR's... lol
Fun fact: Walmart sells M4's.
I see that I am not invited.
Hallo Island
Of course you are!
I better be.
Oh Humpy you know I'll always have a place for you in my heart.... and shower....
hehehe
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I thought about creating a radio to share my passion for classical music and opera. Would some of you be interested ?
How about a radio show about Humps relationships within the region? Think how entertaining that would be.
Miencraft
Love it!
Sounds good!
I'd probably listen.
So guys, I have a perplexing situation, and I thought since everyone here seems intelligent you could tell me your opinion. A wedding company refused to cater a marriage because the couple was homosexual and the government shut down their business. Now, I think that it is discriminatory to refuse service because of someone's sexuality, but I am not sure if the government should have shut down that business. Thoughts?
While I disagree with their decision, it is the business' choice on who to serve. All businesses reserve the right to accept or refuse business to anyone for any reason.
I feel as it's similar to not serving blacks because they are black. It's wrong to do, but to shut it down is a bit much, I don't know
I would like to officially announce that I will not seek reelection as Vice President of Libertatem.
I will though keep my hat in the presence of the Board and will run alongside the RLP once more.
If property rights are absolute, which they are, then any business has the right to refuse service to anybody. In our day and age, any real discrimination of this kind is usually quashed by public uproar. Widespread racism would be fought and challenged, a la the civil rights movement. As someone who's (partially) black, I've experienced this kind of discrimination before, but it's not my place to force somebody to do something over my emotional instincts.
That words on paper can change people's morality is patently silly.
liberal logic
>minimum wage must be enforced to stop greedy corporations exploiting workers
>companies raising wages proves it makes economic sense
If any of you want to watch a good debate with some online libertarian activists vs. the founder of US Uncut, follow this link: http://www.spreecast.com/events/beer-bastards-ep-8
The Vietnamese love capitalism: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/13/vietnam-capitalism-global-post/70261770/
Good news, Texans - the Senate has voted to legalise open carry of handguns!
Miencraft, Mazdaria
Party time!
Yay! As a Texan, I'm in support of this.
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Do you own a gun? And what do you think of Governor Abbott?
"In Gaffney people called it the War of Northern Aggression. I personally take no pride in the Confederacy. Avoid wars you cant win and never raise your flag for an asinine cause like slavery." - Frank Underwood
Anybody watching House of Cards? I've finished Season 3. It's pretty great.
I am about halfway through season 3. Great show, great season so far. I don't understand the hate its getting for this season
Indeed. I love how it now encapsulates foreign politics as well as domestic.
Sounds awesome!
I'm not sure what I'll do when my term is over. I see three possibilities: I could badger the next President to let me on his/her Cabinet, I could spend the next few months running for a Board seat, or I could simply retire. I'm kind of liking the third option, actually.
The governments of Europe are afraid to trust the people with arms. If they did, the people would surely shake off the yoke of tyranny. - James Madison
How are you still enraged CI?
Controversy in the IRU, and the fact that I haven't been on in about three days. There's still plenty for me to rage at, and plenty of furniture I haven't destroyed yet...
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