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Unrelated, anyone else love it when people say guns are the reason there are so many murders but almost two-thirds of all gun deaths in the US are suicides?

Pevvania, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Miencraft wrote:Unrelated, anyone else love it when people say guns are the reason there are so many murders but almost two-thirds of all gun deaths in the US are suicides?

Is what you are saying you can't have second thoughts after you pull the trigger?

It would follow then that if that's the case there would be less attempted suicides, as they are all actuall suicides, if that's the hypothesis.

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:Is what you are saying you can't have second thoughts after you pull the trigger?

Nah just saying it's funny that people try to make it seem like gun violence is this super huge problem even though most gun deaths are intentional and self-inflicted.

Miencraft wrote:Nah just saying it's funny that people try to make it seem like gun violence is this super huge problem even though most gun deaths are intentional and self-inflicted.

Well it is a tragedy that people take their own life and it would be better if they had the chance for second thoughts.

Miencraft wrote:Unrelated, anyone else love it when people say guns are the reason there are so many murders but almost two-thirds of all gun deaths in the US are suicides?

Also homicides are at a 100-year low in tandem with loosened federal and state gun laws over the past 25 years, high state gun ownership and loose gun laws correlate with low gun crimes and murders, the number of people saved by guns each year is more than double those injured, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Fascist Dred

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:Well it is a tragedy that people take their own life and it would be better if they had the chance for second thoughts.

Some people killed themselves?

It's time to ditch the 2nd Amendment!

Pevvania wrote:Some people killed themselves?

It's time to ditch the 2nd Amendment!

Not my words

White men are oppressed because oppression has been defined into something that never happens to them.

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:Well it is a tragedy that people take their own life and it would be better if they had the chance for second thoughts.

They do have the chance. Obviously, if they went through with it, they didn't take that chance.

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:Not my words

Of course, I'm using a straw man. But the tragic actions of 20,000 Americans a year, or 2 million Americans, or 20 million Americans, should not impede the rights of anyone else from owning a gun. If people are stupid, they're going to be stupid!

Miencraft, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order, Pulceria

Pevvania wrote:Who is more evil - Mao, who butchered tens of millions of Chinese, or Pol Pot, who literally took out a quarter of the Cambodian population through his repression?

Both

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria

It's a shame that the Bourbon Democrats' classical liberalism only extended to protecting the rights of white people.

Pevvania wrote: If people are stupid, they're going to be stupid!

Its a form of Natural selection.

Only the smart ones survive.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Libiceland

Pulceria wrote:Its a form of Natural selection.

Only the smart ones survive.

Sad but true.

Rateria, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order, Pulceria

YouTube mobile stop messing everything up

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Sad but true.

Hey! It's why you are still around today!

Pevvania, Rateria

*On a date*

Girl: I'm a Communist

Me (trying to impress her): I also want the collapse of western civilization

Miencraft, Narland, Muh Roads, Rateria, The States Of Balloon, Libiceland

Pulceria wrote:I don't believe anyone is a savage (except the very extreme few). I beleive "all generalizations are false". That's why I prefer the term confused.

Though I will agree that the Islamist's beliefs, are quite savage. But not the people themselves.

P.S. This is just my personal happy belief.

Isn't that a generalizations about generalizations? :)

I think using the term "confused" is dangerous as it denies the humanity(not that recognizing the humanity of Islamists is high on the list of priorities) of Islamist. It's essentials saying that they don't have any reasons to believe what they do. That if you just talked to them for long enough you could convince them of their faults. Which although might work for a few, when part of the thought of a group is vying to destroy your way of life, and if you oppose them in this goal, destroy you as well.

And I do recognize this view(the one you professed, or at least one similar) as a rather mainstream thought in Utah as well as with in the LDS church as a whole. And I think it partly stems from a empathy with religious minorities that Mormons tend to feel, though I think to compare (inadvertently or not) Trumps travel moratorium to Missouri Executive Order 44 is a little disingenuous. Also as a general rule most people don't really know much about the history of Islam or its various sects. Let alone Islamism.

I could be interpreting the situation down here in Utah wrong but this is at least my thoughts what I've noticed.

Message from the Office of Interior Affairs:

To all Citizens and Residents of Libertatem, namely those who have sent in an Application of Citizenship in the last few days:

there is going to be a further slight delay as the Citizenry and application process is currently undergoing an extensive reworking that will better suite Libertatem's current and future needs.

A new application form will be sent to those currently pending Citizenship as soon as it is completed.

Thank you for the patients of those currently pending citizenship. I assure you it will be a short delay.

Signed

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Post self-deleted by Narland.

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Pulceria wrote:Well that's actually complicated. in my family it's different for each child. but generally its just learn at your own pace.

...

But most importantly Everything I learned, was because I wanted to learn it. And that way I always do good.

P.S. I almost forgot the biggest part. Read Read Read!!!! but you already understand that :)

I am happy for you. Keep up the good work. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Rateria

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Pevvania wrote:You were at the 1980 convention?

My step-mother (a Goldwater Republican) was there as a Reagan Delegate. Back in the dark ages before the internet we could go to State Campaign HQ and get minute by minute updates. I worked as a teenage Young Republican (read: was volunteered) back home. They had live access and were tapped into the satellite news and video feeds, a news bureau setup, and a wonky fax/teletype and iirc a Wang IS. My Step-Mother was very vocal about all of the shenanigans going on. I did get some Campaign Buttons, a T-shirt, and much later an invite to the White House for Thanksgiving Dinner that went unanswered because I was in the military and got the message 4 years too late. :'-(

***Life Lesson: Make sure there is someone to check your home address mail if you ever get deployed overseas.***

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:

And I do recognize this view(the one you professed, or at least one similar) as a rather mainstream thought in Utah as well as with in the LDS church as a whole. And I think it partly stems from a empathy with religious minorities that Mormons tend to feel.

I don't care where it comes from. I like it. And I like to believe it. Not on a political level. Just on a personal level.

Also. No hard feelings but that may qualify as a Ad Hominem fallacy (attacking a person or his motive, instead of actually attacking the argument). Just a note for next time.

The United States Of Patriots wrote:It's essentially saying that they don't have any reasons to believe what they do. That if you just talked to them for long enough you could convince them of their faults. Which although might work for a few.

That just proves my point. My main argument was that we shouldn't make generalizations. Because they are not always true. Therefore if some of the Islamist are not savage, and can be persuaded. The generalization is false.

Pulceria wrote:Its a form of Natural selection.

Only the smart ones survive.

Right after posting this I got an issue that claimed exactly the same thing. what are the chances?

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

TFW you get notifications that Rateria liked your RMB posts but they're all posts from two weeks ago

Pevvania, Muh Roads, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order

Please contact myself or the other Senators if you wish to see us consider any particular idea! It's been a slow week since the confirmations finished.

The United States Of Patriots

Post self-deleted by Libiceland.

I see Rateria is back!

Miencraft, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:I see Rateria is back!

Damn right I am. I had a pretty nice vacation.

The States Of Balloon wrote:God damn you Rateria

What did I ever do to you?

Also, It's sad that Condy's gone, and that Hyderbourg was under the threat of impeachment. It seems that whenever I have a long period of inactivity, something goes awry.

Narland, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order

Rateria wrote:What did I ever do to you?

Try saying that to 20 notices which are all you liking my posts

Miencraft, Auxorii, Rateria, Pulceria

Post self-deleted by Fascist Dred.

Post self-deleted by Fascist Dred.

Welcome back [nation=rateria]

Narland, Rateria, Venomringo

High impact szechual violence

Pulceria wrote:I don't care where it comes from. I like it. And I like to believe it. Not on a political level. Just on a personal level.

Also. No hard feelings but that may qualify as a Ad Hominem fallacy (attacking a person or his motive, instead of actually attacking the argument). Just a note for next time.

Um, all I was doing was sharing what I saw as a common view among Utahans and Mormons. And I addressed the argument, not you as an individual, Where did I insinuate your motive? I suggested why I think its a prevailing view. Never once claiming that this is why YOU think this. It is utterly ridiculous to claim that what I said is Ad Hominem. Before you go throwing around that someones argument is based on a fallacy I suggest you give an example of why it is. I think that you are somehow construing this section "and I do recognize this view(the one you professed, or at least one similar) as a rather mainstream thought in Utah as well as with in the LDS church as a whole. And I think it partly stems from a empathy with religious minorities that Mormons tend to feel, though I think to compare (inadvertently or not) Trumps travel moratorium to Missouri Executive Order 44 is a little disingenuous." as Ad Hominem which I just don't understand at all. How is it Ad Hominem? Where am I attacking your character?

Pulceria wrote:

That just proves my point. My main argument was that we shouldn't make generalizations. Because they are not always true. Therefore if some of the Islamist are not savage, and can be persuaded. The generalization is false.

It really doesn't though. The point generalization is to generalize, the very nature of this of course means there are going to be exceptions. So by saying 'see look there is an exception to the generalization ergo the generalization is false!' is ridiculous because as long as a generalization is based on the vast majority of something it holds. For example "Republicans voted for Trump" this is a generalization. There are Republicans who didn't vote for Trump, However the vast majority of Republicans that voted, voted for Trump. So the generalization stands and isn't refuted by an small group not following the general rule. The truth is the VAST majority of Islamist could not be dissuaded. And therefore the generalization holds. Also if we where to follow the "Therefore if some of the X are not Y, and can be Z. The generalization is false." We would have to ditch all of science and statistics.

Miencraft, Rateria

TIL Gary Gygax, founder of dungeons and dragons, was a member of the Libertarian Party. Thanks reddit

Miencraft, Narland, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Inb4 Narland comes in and tells us he knew Gygax personally :p

Miencraft, Pevvania, Muh Roads, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Rateria wrote:Damn right I am. I had a pretty nice vacation.

Where'd you go?

Rateria

Fantastic interview with Camille Paglia: http://www.weeklystandard.com/camille-paglia-on-trump-democrats-transgenderism-and-islamist-terror/article/2008464#!

She's by far the most intelligent, incisive feminist and Democrat out there. Has some stunning insights that should be read by all.

It's probably a good thing that Dems are calling for the impeachment of Trump, because it undermines all further - and possibly credible - attempts to impeach him from here onwards.

Miencraft, Fascist Dred

Jadentopian Order wrote:Where'd you go?

I visited Rome, Venice, Naples, Pompeii, Vatican City, Mallorca, and Barcelona.

Narland, Libiceland, Jadentopian Order

Pevvania wrote:It's probably a good thing that Dems are calling for the impeachment of Trump, because it undermines all further - and possibly credible - attempts to impeach him from here onwards.

They really should just get the impeachment done so that we can prove there's nothing of value there and everyone can get back to work.

Pevvania

The States Of Balloon wrote:Try saying that to 20 notices which are all you liking my posts

I see what you mean. Well, at least you told me.

Rateria wrote:I visited Rome, Venice, Naples, Pompeii, Vatican City, Mallorca, and Barcelona.

Did you eat italians

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Muh Roads wrote:Did you eat italians

That would be cannibalism.

Rateria wrote:I visited Rome, Venice, Naples, Pompeii, Vatican City, Mallorca, and Barcelona.

I forgot that I also visited Cannes.

Narland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:How is it Ad Hominem?

I see now that you didn't mean for it to come across as an attack.

I'm sorry.

I mistakenly thought that knowing I was from Utah, and a Mormon. you pushed aside my argument because my motive was just because of my culture. but I see I was wrong now. (darn forums. You never now what other peoples real intent is).

The United States Of Patriots wrote: The point of generalization is to generalize.

I know. that's what I was pointing out.

All I was saying is that not all Islamist are savages, some are just confused.

The United States Of Patriots

Rateria wrote:I visited Rome, Venice, Naples, Pompeii, Vatican City, Mallorca, and Barcelona.

That is some vacation. man!!!

Rateria

Rateria wrote:I visited Rome, Venice, Naples, Pompeii, Vatican City, Mallorca, and Barcelona.

I would absolutely love to do that.

Rateria

Rateria wrote:That would be cannibalism.

No, because they don't speak English so they aren't human

They're commies

Rateria wrote:That would be cannibalism.

But did you do it?

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:It's probably a good thing that Dems are calling for the impeachment of Trump, because it undermines all further - and possibly credible - attempts to impeach him from here onwards.

They must really want President Pence.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Libiceland

Rateria wrote:I visited Rome, Venice, Naples, Pompeii, Vatican City, Mallorca, and Barcelona.

I once saw a picture of Rome...

Rateria

Bernie Sanders is the William Jennings Bryan of our era. Blistering, overbearing and deeply ideological, but ultimately will never come close to the presidency.

When you follow but there's no free iPhone 5

Rateria

Rateria wrote:That would be cannibalism.

And the problem with that is?

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I once saw a picture of Rome...

A picture! I thought they were only myths.

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:Bernie Sanders is the William Jennings Bryan of our era. Blistering, overbearing and deeply ideological, but ultimately will never come close to the presidency.

muh cross of gold

muh evilution

Pevvania

Muh Roads wrote:Did you eat italians

Barcelona isn't italian, it's Spanish

Rateria, Libiceland

You went to the Vatican? How was it?

Rateria, Libiceland

Czekania wrote:Barcelona isn't italian, it's Spanish

Yes, but he also went to Roma, Venezia, and Napoli. Half of the places he went to are Italian, plus he went to Pompeii which is in Italy but technically Roman.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Rateria wrote:Damn right I am. I had a pretty nice vacation.

What did I ever do to you?

Also, It's sad that Condy's gone, and that Hyderbourg was under the threat of impeachment. It seems that whenever I have a long period of inactivity, something goes awry.

Welcome back. I am glad you had a good time. Did you bring us a t-shirt? :)

Rateria

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Czekania wrote:Barcelona isn't italian, it's Spanish

Do the Catalonians know this?

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Inb4 Narland comes in and tells us he knew Gygax personally :p

:P LOL. No, but I did attend one of his panel discussion at one of the Cons back in the 80s. :P

I was more of a DragonQuest and MERPS fan. I preferred Sci-Fi RPGs like Traveller, FTL 2448, and CyberPunk 20XX. I also dabbled in Star Fleet Battles, BattleTech, Mekton, Call of Cthulu, Villains and Vigilantes, Justice, Inc, and Champions. Occasionally we would do one-offs like Tales of the Floating Vagabond, Beach Bunny Bimbos With Bazookas, TWERPS, and Creeks and Crawdads. Now that you know my hobby...

Republic Of Minerva

addenda: Harpoon, Twilight 2000 and Advanced Recon when onboard ship. The enlisted almost always beat the officers at Harpoon. It made us worry that if the Soviets struck first it was curtains for the free world.

Those damn kids and their loud music

Auxorii, Rateria, Fascist Dred

Auxorii wrote:You went to the Vatican? How was it?

It was pretty nice, but very crowded.

Narland wrote:Welcome back. I am glad you had a good time. Did you bring us a t-shirt? :)

I actually bought a few T-Shirts.

On another note, driving in Rome is chaotic as all hell. That's why we used taxis.

Narland

Narland wrote:Do the Catalonians know this?

You mean those guys in Spain that claim They're not Spanish?

Rateria

Rateria wrote:On another note, driving in Rome is chaotic as all hell. That's why we used taxis.

My high school Italian teacher said their stoplights have three modes:

"Go, go, go fast"

Narland, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:My high school Italian teacher said their stoplights have three modes:

"Go, go, go fast"

The godfather of the mafia got gunned down last month

Czekania wrote:The godfather of the mafia got gunned down last month

Neat.

Miencraft wrote:Neat.

I don't know how to feel about that, but I'm not from Sicily

Miencraft wrote:My high school Italian teacher said their stoplights have three modes:

"Go, go, go fast"

That's pretty accurate. They also tend not to use turn signals.

Elvis is real I caught him going through my trash

I have returned from my week of bad service. What did I miss?

Humpheria wrote:I have returned from my week of bad service. What did I miss?

Actually a whole lot of nothing.

Pevvania, Auxorii, Libiceland, Pulceria

Humpheria wrote:I have returned from my week of bad service. What did I miss?

Miencraft wrote:Actually a whole lot of nothing.

This cannot be said enough. I'm very happy you're back, Mr. President.

Pulceria

Humpheria wrote:I have returned from my week of bad service. What did I miss?

?

I'm the trashman

Pevvania, Rateria

The States Of Balloon wrote:I'm the trashman

Would you like an egg in these trying times?

Humpheria wrote:I have returned from my week of bad service. What did I miss?

Actually, one thing happened - I shared my Trump impression with the General thread on Discord.

Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

Post self-deleted by Libiceland.

The American Healthcare Act in its current form is a good piece of legislation. Introducing a new tax credit is a more than worthy price to pay for getting rid of the bulk of Obamacare and deregulating the insurance industry. Libertarians just love for perfect to be the enemy of the good so it's no surprise that they're complaining about it. We can't always get everything we want!

Puerto Rico should only become a state if they fix their finances and disastrous minimum wage law.

Republic Of Minerva, Fascist Dred

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Miencraft wrote:My high school Italian teacher said their stoplights have three modes:

"Go, go, go fast"

Italy is one of the places where the bumper sticker: "If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk!" literally applies.

My first driving lesson in Italy:

Marine Instructor: "Driving in Italy is easy. There are only 3 rules:

One: A stop sign is just a good idea. If you see no traffic coming from the other directions hold down your horn and speed up as you cross the intersection. If you see traffic slow down just enough not to hit anything.

Two: If its in front of you pay attention to it. If it is beside you pass it or let it pass you. If it is behind you it doesn't matter.

Three: If its bigger than you get out of its way.

He tossed me the keys and said I was ready and left the building. Being a sailor, I thought he was razzing me. I went on the assigned route assignment found a motorcycle cop. When I asked him where I could find a Driver's Manual, he said: "Driving Italy is easy. There are only 3 rules:

One: A stop sign is just a good idea..."

Compared to driving in the middle east Italy is a breeze. Less bullets; more openness in yelling to you what the other driver in the car beside yours really thinks (other than "I kill you now!" and better sportsmanship in jockeying for position before the lanes merge. :)

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Libiceland

What's up with people and Italy?

Czekania wrote:What's up with people and Italy?

I think it has something to do with how different the US (where a lot of us are from) and Italy are.

Rateria wrote:I think it has something to do with how different the US (where a lot of us are from) and Italy are.

Pfft! That theory is weak. A more likely explanation is that Italians upon birth are infected with parasites (approximately the length of the human arm) that causes this eradicated driving,

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

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