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HE HATH SLAMMED THE FALSE GOD OFF HIS MOUNTAIN AND THREW HIM INTO A PIT OF OLIVE OIL WHERE HE SHALL REMAIN!
PRAISE BE HIS NAME PRAAAAAAAAIIIIIISSSSE!
THE DAY FAST APPROACHING IS NEAR! SOON MEMES AND MEME LOVER WILL PARISH AS OUR NATION SPREADS ITS HAND ACROSS THE REGION!
HAIL DRED!
Why didn't he just tell us he was ascending then? Fake news.
https://i.imgur.com/sGZJ0s8.png
Citizen take my warning to heart! This man is deceiving you! This site he puts up is a pornographic site that seeks to steal your identity. In addition the federal government is investigating this site for its connections to money laundering rings and terror networks. Do not visit this site least you want the federal authorities knocking on your door.
Or, y'know, our Discord.
Rateria
Congratulations to Boes Othan, I don't recall being beaten this badly.
* tips fedora *
Rateria, The Aradites, Boes Othan
People of Libertatem, on behalf of the Kaiserreich I must thank you for establishing embassies. I am hopeful that we will become good friends in the future.
Rateria, The Aradites
Thank you all who voted for me. I will be actively listening to everyone.
Speaking of. I have a cold today. It's not very fun. ;~;
Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred
I'll pray for your survival, my child.
Rateria, Fascist Dred
lmao Florida
https://i.imgur.com/JPKvIHV.png
Rateria
I feel like the unofficial one-party system within Libertatem comes from both a deficiency of politically active citizens as well as a lack of unity from non-RLP politicians. If possible, I plan to fix both of these problems and establish a party of my own.
No promises yet though.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Libertatem has the FLC, which includes the RLP, as a way to unify Libertatem under progress. You say there is no unity between non-RLP citizens, but you forgot to mention the terrorist organization known as the Reform Party...
I have to disagree. Competition drives innovation, and now that the reform folks are dead, it really shows. During the crisis, we got so much more done than we have before because we had to improve ourselves and come up with better and brighter solutions than they did. Without any competition, we run the risk of becoming complacent with the status quo and ignoring any flaws.
Rateria
Either way it would be nice to see you more active. If you want change then vote in the elections and participate in the Discord. If you don't do either of these then you won't get very far.
Miencraft, Rateria, Venomringo
Reform party dead
-Hello, Reform?
-Reform machine broke
-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Einsiev, Rateria
Update. Drowning in allergies, despite Harvey's efforts.
The reason most Socialists smoke weed is because you'd have to be high to think socialism is a good idea
The Deutsch Reich, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Hey sweethearts
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order
halo humens
Rateria, Just Lib Please
Will you ever just act normal?
Pevvania, Rateria
That is normal for him.
Rateria, The States Of Balloon, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order, Just Lib Please
Make sure to use code "TATEM" for a free meal at Goldi's bakery and a chance to win a signed copy of her new book, "The Cwossah Manifesto".
Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Welcome back.
Rateria, Just Lib Please
Anyone interested in becoming an NS++ recruiter? All you need is NS++ and it automatically sends TGs for you whenever you're on NS.
How do I get it? Does it work when I'm on mobile?
You just have to be assigned as a recruiter and whenever you're logged in you'll automatically send out recruitment TGs.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
One of the biggest insults would be to claim that radical Islam had nothing at all to do with what happened sixteen years ago.
Pevvania, The Deutsch Reich, Rateria
lmao twin towers
Coming soon: The communist manifesto-annotated edition
Hallo
Well that is the trend nowadays isn't it? I mean, if you tell a lie often enough it becomes true right?
History page has been updated with a fancy table for the Presidents section. Maybe it's good. Maybe it's not. Who knows?
Rateria
There is also now an accounting of the Reform Crisis.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
*everstone intensifies*
Evolving? Smash dat mf B button
weesnaw
"21 hours ago: Supting ceased to exist."
Nice.
Pevvania, Rateria, Jadentopian Order
A great member of our community has been lost.
Just Lib Please
I will go ask Hillary Clinton to sign my Rare Pepe
Rateria
Anyone know what happened to Sumpting?
Rateria
Soupting CTE'd
Miencraft, Rateria, Fascist Dred
i love how they're advertising pizza to me and i'm sitting here eating a taco this has nothing to do with the topic at hand either this is a running sentence
Narland, Rateria
*reads news about new formatting tool*
ASCENDED
Narland, Rateria
Rateria
I keep getting Secret Service ads, maybe they target Forum 7.
Anyways, here's a link to the NS news: https://www.nationstates.net/page=news
Narland
You are all being played
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/trump-played-libertarian-right
Just Lib Please
https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/2017/09/14/index.html
Narland
I don't know what fourm7 is but I keep getting secret service ads and an ad for a car renting app.
Anyone notice how the history of Libertatem calls Pevs first presidency the Golden Age and begins the chapter with Decay in the title with his leaving office? I wonder who wrote that part?
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Fascist Dred, Just Lib Please
Lol. Imo the Golden Age probably ended during the Roads administration or a bit after that. I turned over the history for a more well-rounded perspective :P
Rateria
Yeah and so far the only thing that's happened is now there's a table of contents, the Presidents list looks like not-garbage, and there's a big piece on the Reform Crisis that's missing lots of information.
Mostly it just looks prettier now that you put it onto SecRep.
You're welcome.
Seriously though it'll be hard to factcheck anything earlier than, like, Dawn of the Second Republic, since at that point you're going back more than a year. So it looks like your Pev-bias gets to stick around a little longer.
And I'm pretty sure we had a minor golden age at some point. I don't remember whose presidency it was but I know Roads was involved and we got our population up to 280 or something stupid like that. Funny thing is that the factbook seems to mostly be focused on the history of the War, so there's stuff that's completely omitted like the Roadsian Boom, the surprise defeat of the incumbent president and the subsequent controversial rule of Condealism (I don't know what a good name for that period would be. I want to call the election the Condealist Upset but I'm sure there's a better word for that), and pretty much the entirety of the Roads and Humpheria II administrations. All that stuff is basically not mentioned at all because the factbook ends up having a hard-on for the War. But that can be fixed!
Rateria
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Oh and we're missing pretty much the entire buildup to the Reform Crisis, the stuff that happened with Hyderbourg, and several parts of the actual Reform Crisis are still missing, like the election of USOP to the Senate, and the FRAUD act and the WA requirements.
Rateria
Also for some reason the "Dawn" section mentions something called the "Long Autumn", but the Long Autumn is never mentioned anywhere else in the entire factbook.
So whatever the Long Autumn was, we're missing that too.
Rateria
We had a massive population boom under Roads which took us to 250 but in my opinion the controversy and ill feelings surrounding the war prevented it from being a golden age in a psychological sense. The Condy thing is important.
The Long Autumn was when we lost most of our active population in the final months of the Snabagag presidency and everything basically went dormant.
Rateria
Hello everyone, how are you? So I've been running this nation for a few months now and at the same time have been educating myself on Anarcho-Capitalism. Though, I'm partial to the ideology as I like the idea of complete meritocracy. I am not an Anarcho-Capitalist because the ideology is simply too utopian. Is there an Anarcho-Capitalist here that could convince me otherwise? I'd gladly have a discussion with you.
Rateria
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I'll bite. My schedule is sporadic but I will happily answer your questions as time permits. I would like to ask some questions to better gauge how to answer you.
What region of the world are you from? What is your age demographic? And what is your ideological/philosophical/theological perspective?
I am a rural American from Pacific Northwest and Mountain State Ranch Culture; an early GenXer; and a Theistic Objective Realist of Reformed Evangelical Christianity that espouses Classical Liberalism and politically promotes the principles wherein Libertarianism, Constitutionalism, and Paleo-Conservatism converge.
I believe Anarcho-Capitalsm to be a credible goal.
What are your questions?
Rateria
America, Pacific Coast specifically California.
I'm 18 years old.
Ideology: I'm not sure honestly. I find I agree with groups like the Alt-Right, and Neo-Reactionary movements. But even then I'm questionable. I've loved politics for years but have never quite found my place in it, I always find flaws in ideologies or just plain utopian ideas.
Philosophy/Theology: Deism
Questions: I guess I'll start simple. The NAP holds that people should not harm each other, violate privacy, or force others to do things against their negative rights. What about the 3% of the population who are psychopaths? Who overwhelmingly control governments, wars, large corporations etc. how would they be dealt with in an Anarcho-Capitalist society to ensure that the NAP is to violated?
Rateria
Probably important to name the Long Autumn in that section then, eh?
Rateria
Call it the Gilded Age. Done.
Or the Silver Age. That's something nobody's done before.
Rateria
Where is the section about the evolution of the deep state?
Miencraft, Rateria
Swear jars are necessary for building a functioning society
mhomenites and Lewdhomenists have united! Praise mhomen!
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Define Alt-Right
Rateria
I will crush you beneath my iron boot!
I hope he's talking about the Milo movement
Gladly. I added Neo-Reactionary to be more specific but what I mean is the natural order, usually referred to as Social Darwinism, nationalism, traditionalism, capitalism, I admire Fascism but think it should be more Capitalistic, anti-democracy, possibly a return to Monarchism as Monarchism is clearly the most natural human hierarchy, etc.
That's what I mean.
Just Lib Please
I think we could be friends...
Neo-Ancapistan
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Few questions, which I must ask because a large number of people conflate the Alt-Right with liking memes and being a rabble-rouser:
Who do you consider thought leaders in the Alt-Right, who founded the Alt-Right and what is there driving ideology?
On another note:
How is Monarchism the most natural state of hierarchy. I also notice you use the terminology hierarchy, does this mean that Monarchism is the most natural hierarchy only or the natural state of man?
Sorry for asking a lot of questions at once, it's a habit at this point.
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria
their*
Rateria
No one really founded the Alt-Right, people take credit for it but really it's just a rejection of modern liberalized conservatism. So their driving ideology is just a vague collection of those who disagree with the modern idea of "conservativism" which is really just classical liberalism.
Monarchism is the natural state because it is the evolution of the family unit. In the family you have the father, mother and children. Same concept with a Monarchy, the Father is the King, the mother is the Queen, and the children are the natural heirs to that family. This family is a representation of the nation itself, in the same way how you are a representation of your family name. I could go on but I think I've made my point.
In nature and a least 90% of human history we clearly this realization of the role of the Monarch. Monarchism is simply the natural evolution of the family unit into a system of government.
No need to apologize I'd gladly ask any questions you have.
Have you ever read any John Locke?
If you reject the term 'founded' how about the one who coined the term for the movement? (from within the movement not without)
There is a much stronger ideology behind the Alt-right than you give it credit for. The Alt-Right is a clearly defined movement with leaders that have a defined platform.
what you are describing (although it may include the alt-right) is not the alt-right. Hundreds of different movements fall under that definition. I take issue with this because may people are aligning themselves with the alt-right out of reactionary politics. Even though they do not share any tenants of the alt-right. And this only strengthens a repugnant set of believes that if it weren't for the politics of opposition would even be in the news.
Rateria
wouldn't*
Rateria
my spelling is obviously 10/10
Rateria
Exactly. There are hundreds of different movements, which is why a specified myself as Neo-Reactionary.
I'll go back to my question then, Have you ever read any John Locke?
Of course. Why?
So what do you think of his take on the state of nature then?
What specifically do you mean as John Locke wrote much on his view of the natural order from life, liberty and property, to pacifism, to reason in nature, to his Christian faith and how he believed Christian values should be in society to create his perfect world. So what specifically do you mean?
I mean exactly what I said, what do you think of his take on the state of nature.
If you want me to get very specific, fine. Let's limit it to his views as espoused in his first and second treatises on government
That's all I was asking for, thank you. No need to get irritated, I'm sure we've both have had long days today.
So, simply put, I disagree.
I started writing this big explanation but I think this video pretty much explains it: https://youtu.be/YxertU2shnE
One of my favorite Youtubers gives a great case for Monarchism, and its relation to the family.
Fascism is a form of socialism.
https://mises.org/library/what-fascism-1
Monarchism was exactly the thing the early classical liberals opposed. You can't really get farther from libertarianism by promoting either fascism or monarchism.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria
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That is an awesome article. Thanks for posting it!
Sorry if it came off as though I was frustrated, I am not, I just was doubling down on my point.
few things about the video, I'll address them in the order they appear:
1. Its first point made around 0:25 is that this video is not meant for espousing why monarchy is a more efficient than a republic. Which pre supposes two things. First that efficiency is a measure of the usefulness of a political system. Which is ironic in that the first seconds of the video say that monarchy can't be argued for under the guise of modern utilitarianism. He just states that and then goes to suppose that a monarchy is in fact more efficient, showing right off the bat that there is a discongruity in this argument. Namely that you can't argue for monarchism on the basis of utilitarianism, and that a monarchy is more efficient than a republic (which is a utilitarian argument).
2. The quotes at the beginning: the first quote is a quote from Aristotle saying Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all. There is plenty of historical proof that while there have been good kings, there is a plethora of examples of monarchy being used to enrich the monarch at the expense of the subjects, Aristotle himself admitted that The deviation from monarchy is tyranny; for both are forms of one-man rule He then goes on to offer what I see as a wanting explanation of why a Monarchy is somehow different than other forms of tyranny.
The next quote was one from Ezra Stiles saying A monarchy conducted with infinite wisdom and infinite benevolence is the most perfect of all possible governments Find me the man who is capable of infinite wisdom and infinite benevolence if the 20th century has taught us anything it is that the search for utopia leads only to tyranny, death, and suffering.
3. The next section is an explanation of the Confucian five relationships. And its relation to a monarchy. It then goes to say that understanding this leads to a more humane government. The argument against this is a simple one. Are there not abusive parents? It also says that if you treat those you rule over as if they where members of your own family. while I agree that this might improve how one governs it still begs the question, what if someone just doesnt care? in a system in which all the power is centralized there is no way to combat this. If the kings rule is absolute why should it matter how he treats others?
4. the next point is one in which John Locke directly argues against in his treatises, Which is the system in which monarchy is passed from one generation to the next. the first thing the video does is conflate the passage of a system of polity with the passage of values and wealth to the next generation. This is a fallacious assumption of congruity. The passage of values and wealth is not the passage of a title and power. Which leads to the question of the passage of a title, if the father is supposed to be a symbol of the monarchy (i.e. that he is the figure that holds all of the power over his children) He then has a right over all the children equally, when he dies does that right over the other children pass with him? So now a brother has power over his brother, lets say then that the brother who now possesses the right of power of the sibling dies and the title is passed to his child, now does a nephew have right over his uncle. One of the main arguments of a monarchy is that it is a natural progression in nature. does this seem to fit the natural progression of nature? also what give a man, any man, the right over another that he is not related to? how can the paternal powers be held over one that is not related to the patriarch?
5. He now brings up Aristotles 6 forms of constitutions(called regimes in the video), of which I quoted from earlier. The difference between a Monarchy and a Tyranny in the video is purely a lexical difference there is nothing to prevent a monarch from become a tyranny and vise versa. The video provides no reason as why a monarch cannot become a tyranny he just says, but look they have different definitions, this is the same lexical trick that people pull when they say that racism is racial prejudice plus institutional power. therefore there racism isnt racism because it doesnt fit there changed definition of racism.
6. The video than makes its first good point that tyranny can best be combated through a common understanding and practice of morality but then immediately cuts short this good message by equating again a monarchs roll with the roll of a father, suggesting that just as a father has an obligation to imbue morality in his children a monarch was the authority and obligation to do likewise with his subjects and then suggests that doing so will ensure accountability of the leaders. Again my question comes back to why and how. Why does the leader need to be held accountable if they have sovereign power over their subjects and how can they be held accountable is they have sovereign power over their subjects?
7.He then says that all of the points he stated would have been obvious to anyone living before the french revolution(funny that he would choose the french revolution considering it involved a terrible and abusive monarchy). Would it have seemed obvious to the American patriots? what about John Locke, even Cicero who thought the best system of state was a monarchy reasoned that a king could easily become a tyrant. All of these men where before the french revolution.
8. the video then suggests that the burden of proof doest lie with the monarchists. This is an absurd claim. If you suggest that anyone has a right over anyone else the burden of proof lies on you. For example: slavery. Historical slavery is accepted does that mean that the burden of proof for why slavery is wrong lies on abolitionists? Any time that power is suggested over another man you must prove why and how that power exists and then justify it. otherwise it makes us all slaves to the whims of changing ideologies.
9. It then equates monarchy with the divine system of ruling. For this claim I direct to John Locke take down of this argument.
10. Again he doubles down of the burden of proof argument. Although its not what he is saying, the logical conclusion of this train of reasoning is that men are not inherently free and that some people have rights over others, and that the burden of truth on the contrary is an the proponents of representational governments. Then he says, what does it say about democracy that it can only take root through violence and war. Well first it says that people care, deeply, about there freedom. That it is something worth dying for. In contrast what does it say about monarchy that most new dynasties of monarch rise to power simply by having the biggest army?
11. He then asks how many countries went from monarchy to democracy peacefully. Without realizing that no matter which number is higher, peaceful transitions or violent ones, it is a black mark on monarchies. If the number of violent transitions is higher it suggests that tyrannical monarchies are unwilling to allow there subjects to decide there own fate, that they are incapable of fulfilling what the people need from of their leader. If the number of peaceful transitions is higher, It shows that more people prefer to be masters of there own fate, and that they reject the idea of being ruled over by another man.
12. then he goes full ham on liberty. saying what exactly is liberty worth if it can only be brought by a mountain of corpses and the if democracy is suppose to make men free then why have the most totalitarian governments in our history only taken power in states without a monarch holding power?
First about this Liberty is worth dying for. And I find it repugnant that there is a suggestion that the deaths of those in order to secure and maintain freedom is somehow a waste, that is a dishonor to all those who have given there lives for that cause. We can talk about bad wars, there have been plenty of those. But pretending that monarchs havent perpetrated bad wars is ridiculous. how many people have dies throughout history in a kings vain attempt for more power? And secondly. While many horribly tyrannical governments have risen through history. The ones that have risen from places with democracy swiftly replace democracy with there own tyranny. The reason these havent arisen as often from monarchies is because a monarchy is a tyranny. What about the kings jus primae noctis or right of first night, how is that not tyranny, let alone rape? For every instance you can give me of a democratic government (which democracy is just another for of tyranny) become totalitarian regimes I can give you 100 examples of monarchs doing just as horrible things.
13. the last few minutes are just a recitation of the earlier points as well as a few logical fallacies. which leads me to my final point.
Who becomes king?
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
So I guess we're back to Lewdianity and Mhomenism.
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Anarcho-Capitalism does not assert that their should be no state functions (in the normative sense) but that the functions of the state are best left to the free and open market to be contracted and delegated as the self-governing person or persons see fit. We see this in pre-Cultural Revolution United States when our Public Institutions were mostly that -- Public. In most parts of the country (especially rural and small towns) Police were not an official government agency but civil service organization paid for directly and controlled directly by the public (each and every individual citizen in that jurisdiction). If the organization was not directly responsible to the electorate they were administered by a local board that was. They had to go before the People on a regular basis for approval. The local community would routinely vote for passage of a bond or levy in order to keep that organization afloat. Any extra monies needed were secured by the organization itself through charity drives, galas, balls, and the like. The same for Fire, Ambulance, Libraries, or anything the local community deemed worth pooling their money for. If the organization failed in its delegated assignment the public easily revoked their bond and fired their inept, inefficient or corrupt arses. It didn't matter if it was the local library, the parks service, the police or the public school. Anarcho-Capitalists want to go one step further and open that up to free market competition.
Something went horribly wrong after the 60s (the watershed moment). Our public institutions (run and paid for by the People) were coöpted by those of Socialist leanings and transfered to the State. Today our police, schools and libraries are anything but public -- they are State run government agencies/services. In some cases they are hostile to the very public they are paid to serve.
In villages and unincorporated towns of our rural States the people still to this day contract out for service they deem necessary-- whether from a neighboring jurisdiction, or a private concern. For example police services (forming a local constabulary when Williamses or Rainbow People meander through) to be dismissed shortly afterward; a road needs built or upgraded that the county can't be bothered with; or someone thinks it real neat to have a double-wide parked on the edge of town filled with books, wifi, and a barrista or two for people to come and check out books.
The assumption that if "The State" doesn't do it that it doesn't get done is to say the least wrong-headed and at worst a danger to Liberty. Because of your age and education you were most likely never taught that all political power of your State resides with you (plural -- the People). That Police authority is one of those inhered powers, and that you as a Citizen have a right to police your person or property, or delegate that power to agents or operatives, and even arrest those committing criminal acts. You have the authority to convene a grand jury (under the right circumstances), and be heard by a justice in sworn testimony to proceedings for a court hearing regarding any crimes perpetrated against you, your person, or your community.
In the case of Anarcho-Capitalistist we are merely asserting our natural rights secured by our Constitution to govern ourselves (self-government) directly, free from the ambiguity and arbitrariness of a dictatorial state that has lost its understanding of limited government. The individual and community should not have to rely on the monopoly of the State Police Academy, the American Library Association, etc. We should be free to return to competing with other communities for the best ideas, best means of organization and best people for the jobs including hiring private concerns should we so think it warranted. And if we want to do it ourselves (police our own property, pave our own roads, hire our own teachers) so be it.
I hope that helps paint a broad picture to help understand that what Anarcho-Capitalists are advocating is historical and in some ways still practiced in part in rural communities.
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo
***makes sure no one is looking and pays homage to the Shrine of the Sagacious Oracles of the Venerable Lysander Spooner***
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Errata:
First Paragraph: civil service organization should be civic organization
Second to the Last Paragraph: American Library Association should be American Bar Association
Second to the Last Paragraph: hire our own teachers should be: hire or be our own teachers
Last Paragraph: The sentence should read: I hope this helps paint a broad picture to understand what Anarcho-Capitalists advocate is historic self-government and in some ways still practiced in part by our rural communities.
Rateria
The NAP allows one to react with force in a situation where force is initiated against them.
You can't attack someone, for instance, because that violates the NAP, but if someone attacks you you have every right to fight back.
Rateria
What about pollution then?
What about pollution?
How do you define pollution? By most normal definitions, not only is pollution an incredibly vague thing, but it also, y'know, isn't violence.
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