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Region: Libertatem
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Rateria
Fascism didn't "rise up" to counter the uprising of Bolshevism. It was a contemporaneous sibling bitter rivalry, the both giving a competing song and dance as to fix the unworkable pipe dream of 19th Century Marxian Socialism. Both deny Objectivism and Objective reality for their Existential hell of Hegelian dialectics -- two sides of the same bad penny. Fascism fails for the same reason that Communism fails -- it ignores reality to pretend that giving raw power to a group of people pretending to speak for the order (be the order supposedly the state, the party, or whatever excuse) with overwhelming munitions and nothing but good intentions can magically bring sunshine and rainbows with no understanding of nature, liberty, and self-government. Nothing survives the lack of virtue, and lying, thieving, murdering ideologies that start with little to no virtue have no ground to stand calling either the conservation of, or the liberalizing of Classical Liberalism (which I include Objectivism and Libertarianism) from the corrupting nature of power, ambition and despotism that the ideology of Georges Valois, Benito Mussolini, Ezra Pound, Lynbdon LaRouche et. al, advocated; as it is just as evil and corrupt any other form of authoritarianism/totalitarianism for those reasons.
Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria
Kanye is pointing out uncomfortable truths about society, that's why they want him gone
Auxorii, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order, Miri Islands
It says a lot to me that Kanye got emotional over his story of almost being aborted and almost aborting his daughter and so many people came out to act like that was just the result of his bipolar disorder. Like, no, clearly the man is deeply religious and has very strong feelings for his family. Obviously yeah, he has been manic lately and I hope that he is ok, but people shouldn't just discount what he says just because he is bipolar.
Auxorii, The New Icelandic Commonwealth
Exactly, honestly its offensive to use Kanye's Bipolar as an excuse not to listen to his many valid points; while I don't think he would be a great president he at least will siphon votes away from Biden
Jadentopian Order, Miri Islands
Got a chance to see Trump briefing on reopening schools. I have to laugh at the Covid-19 hotspot map. The only blot in the PacNorWest is a big red Malheur County. it looks bad because Malheur County is a bit bigger than the State of Vermont. But not as bad as it looks because the entire county only has 30,000 people. Its still a bit crowded for my taste, but to each his own. :)
Exactly, as someone who struggles with an anxiety disorder its just disheartening to see so many people use his own as an insult now. I thought we were supposed to be treating everyone the same?
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
I think the big problem here is that the term mental illness has been so abused by (and I blame the academic and bureaucrat ruling class) psychiatry (a failed profession) that it is practically meaningless for determining intercourse (proper term, not dumbed down gutter-think). For example, it has made the distinction between an actual sufferer of PTSD/Shell-Shock/Battle Fatigue/War Syndrome/ad infinitum who needs a helping hand and some tough love, and an attention seeking mental-malingering selfish immature solipsistic narcissist (whether criminally insane or not) who needs a swift kick in the butt and some tough walloping very difficult. The former has my empathy and compassion, the latter my derision and scorn.
Does everyone here have a bug out plan? You need one if you don't. Get together a go bag and some place FAR from a city. Show's almost over folks, last call.
Rateria
The Marxists tried this in the 20s and again in the 60s. The tumult lasted for half a decade across various cities in the US. Of course we were a stronger republic back then. The 10s and 20s insurgents were basically stopped by citizen armed counter-insurgents authorized or deputized militia (back when we had county and municipal armories to draw from) that shot the Marxists insurgents in their tracks and dragged the rest of to trial.
The 60s insurrection was pretty much stopped by the economy becoming so bad that not even hippies could afford not to work, minorities figured out that burning their own cities to the ground really was self-defeating, the fact that hippies made for horrible counter-cultural insurgents from a Marxist standpoint, and the Hard Hat Riots when blue collar construction worker types by the 100s marched into the hate-spewing long-hairs and beat the living snot out of them -- 1971 or 73 iirc. Once the general public started shouting down the yippies (the hippie factions that were blowing up the police stations and murdering public figures) and ratting them out to the authorities or just burying them in shallow graves things started settling down again.
Current insurrectionists are different in they are not Soviet Apparatchiks grooming grass roots but top down organized by self-loathing decadent elitists who don't hate the US because they love something more, but that they just hate the US because they hate. The current insurrectionists are better organized, financed, but just as morally vapid. In over a Century the Marxists have nothing to replace the US with except for the horrors of their failed revolutions, willful democides, and broken nations in their wake. Their recent test projects such as Occupy Wall Street, the current riots, and the banal meaninglessness of CHAZ/CHOP further demonstrate they have nothing constructive to offer, only lies, deceit, destruction, hunger, death, and misery.
Stand and fight by all lawful means necessary for as long as you can. If you are in a city, a contingency plan is a good idea. There is no other US that is going to come and save us. We are it, and what we stand for -- Liberty and Equality by means of Truth, Justice, and Peace, and prosperity through hard work and self-sacrifice is worth fighting for. The alternative is unacceptable.
Miri Islands
Imagine trying to commit arson against federal employees and property then getting arrested for the crime, declaring it government tyranny, and expecting libertarians to be your personal army DESPITE advocating for tyranny on a daily basis and demonizing said libertarians as fascists days before
Narland, Skaveria
As one of the old guys in the room -- So far the 60s were worse imo in terms of overall violence, rioting, assassination, and bigotry expressed by the "caring, tolerant leftists" who like today, lied through their teeth regarding then current events while they blamed everyone else for everything else. They were backed by their willing accomplices in the media such as AP, UPI, news bureaus and ABC, NBC, and CBS news anchors -- most people's information network back then). The passive tsk, tskery expressed on air while off air relishing that everyday Americans being pulled from the middle at both ends was just rotten back then as it is now. Self-proclaimed journalist back then as now were ignoring the root causes (insurrectionists) that were inciting people to loot, pillage, rape, murder, burn, their own cities to the ground -- "let it all burn, man."
The threat is greater this time around because of a generation of dumbed-down people (not their fault -- it is the fault of the Educrats who need a proletariat of functional idiots) who have been groomed to be ignorant of their heritage and culture and blissfully ignorant (where the truth is despised, ignorance is bliss) that Western Civ Free Enterprise Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty and ignorance (lack of education) than any other system in the history of the world.
It will take about 4 or 5 years, but if history is any indication, once the people get tired of the elitists directing their street thug sock-puppets at them (the people), then the people will turn on the elitists and their street thugs. Countering this is easy because great because of social media being able to do an end run around their skulduggery with much more ease than what we had to work with in the 60s (shortwave broadcasts, unnamed Constitutionalist/Patriot house meetings, JBS (John Birch Society) YAL (Young Americans for Liberty) CGN (church gossip network etc). Those defending civilization have more to loose, while those who want to burn everything to the ground have only their own self-loathing hides. When things get real, the insurrectionists will slink back into the shadows. My money is on Western Civilization over the mob. (No, I don't consider Marxism civilization, it is barbarism and savagery aping civilization).
Leftism truly is a form of insanity. Liberty is the cure.
Auxorii, Miri Islands
It's hard to fight beside people that you KNOW are gonna shoot you in the back the second victory is achieved. I'm not getting Trotsky'd, Robespierre'd, Or Malcolm X'd, if you will.
Narland
Not too long until the cops have already start killing people open carrying, y'all ain't safe either
Auxorii, Rateria
Nah. The government knows better. Even democrat hellholes know to just quietly seethe and call open carry protesters fascists
Narland, Rateria
Liberty is non-negotiable
Narland
No... the government does not know better...
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Every statist/despot knows what he (she or it)is doing is wrong. They suppress the truth with their machinations in order to convince themselves (and those they oppress) otherwise. Those who refuse to "know" (viz. acknowledge) what cannot be denied (oppressing others with their good intentions is wrong) are a willfully insane danger to themselves and others. It is part of the human condition -- and a part of which no person cannot be corrupted by wielding abject power over others.
Really? Cause it seems to me like the government is pretty hellbent on taking guns away
Auxorii, Rateria
Honestly, I think all of you are right in some way.
The way I think of it is that police forces fear the consequences of escalation. They know that deploying tear gas, rubber bullets, mace, or any other crowd control method involving force would end poorly when the protestors are armed. In my opinion, this is at least partially why the large, armed protests we have seen in the past year have not ended in shootouts.
Governments in the United States definitely want the public disarmed. Almost everyone here probably knows my position and concern regarding this already. However, large-scale door-to-door confiscations are unlikely for now, in my opinion. The people that may want that kind of thing as an end goal probably know that sending armed people to confiscate guns will lead to massive amounts of death. Both the police being sent and victims would see many casualties.
Based on what I know, the plan is for bans, buybacks, registrations, and licensing, especially with assault weapons. Bidens platform includes all of this, and many bills have included these proposals. Will all of this end in mass door-to-door gun confiscation when people dont comply? It could, but I suspect that this goal would be carried out on a smaller scale with the use of red flag laws/ERPOs.
I havent seen anything like this yet, but I wont rule it out. Larger groups of open carriers are at less of a risk, as my previous statements allude to. Governments have definitely gone after gun owners before, and we all know this, so I cant entirely rule out your prediction.
Narland, Auxorii, Jadentopian Order
The reason why riots are continuing and police response has been subpar is simply because the riots themselves do not represent a genuine social revolution challenging America's soul or anything of the sort. It's a simulated event that started when elites wanted it to start (really, given the number of black criminals who are killed in some altercation with cops every day across America, they could have picked anyone to stand in for George Floyd) and will end when elites want it to end. The sole objective behind all this is to shift public perception to manipulate election results in a few months. For all the fantastic radicalism that has been espoused, everyone tacitly acknowledges that progressives depend upon middle-class self-satisfaction to achieve their ends because bourgeois materialism engenders the flighty race-egalitarianism that supposedly underpins these protests and egalitarianism engenders soft-bellied collective weakness and self-interested, socially myopic complacency. Even the rioters in their bravado have only gotten this far because of lack of opposition and have demonstrated how easily they would crumble if the police mounted an effective resistance. For instance, the "summer of love festival" in Seattle... How long did it take to scuttle that when the stuttering imbecile of a mayor felt threatened by the ruckus? To the conservative who expected a goetterdaemmerung with the forces of anti-civilizational leftism so that he could return to the oppressive inertia of his worthless, small life of charming rusticisms and nostalgic senility, to the communist who might have believed he was getting a proletarian revolution in spite of the overriding character of these revolts as consisting of unshaven, limp-limbed liberal arts university students with no constitution for labor or productive inclinations whatsoever, and to the anarchist who expected the sordid exercise of gangster rule to perpetuate itself ad infinitum in recognition of the ultimate truth that this was indeed the logical conclusion of "liberty," that veritable prostitute among the major political ideals, I regret to inform you that you have been duped by yet another instance of the mediocrity of partisan crisis-formulation which will yield an utterly boring and anticlimactic denoument in the space of a few months' time. When a real revolution happens that is well and truly beyond any establishmentarian party or faction's power to limit, direct, or control, and which stands to bury the decayed remnant of 18th-century liberal humanism called the American republic in the grave marked out for it 100 years prior, and with it the European Union, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the World Bank, the United Nations, and every other institution of moral universalism and international bureaucracy which exists, and which will regenerate Western civilization from the decadence of a corrupted modernity to a forward-looking nationalist future, I'll make sure to let you know.
Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.
I am fairly confident in saying that the "wall of vets" in Portland are not actually Vets or they are dishonorably discharged malcontents.
Narland
You had me up until American republic. Yes, there is something very wrong. The problem doesn't seem to be what you think.
The problem with the American Republic is that it succumbed to Marx, Engels, and Sartre in incremental degrees. The answer of course is to return to Liberty and an Objectivist/Objective Realist understanding of reality. I am working for a more general awareness of interested disestablishmentarianism and efficacious removal of the cancer of Statism (despotism) wrought by those who seek to subvert liberty and equity in the Classical Liberal sense in the upcoming decade.
I would encourage you to drop the darkened/smoked shades of your nihilistic lenses and reread some of the Founders and their forebears (Blackstone, Rutherford, Sidney et al.) using their definitions within the context of their worldview (= Weltanschauung) in order to understand it outside of the redefined newspeak of post-Kantian existentialism. Right now you are biting your own tail and blaming the wrong things. The human condition is the problem. Truth, Justice, and Peace measured by objective reality for Liberty and Equality by with and from Classical Liberalism is part of the solution. Nothing else has brought about the end of so much poverty, disease, pain and suffering in such a short period of time -- so much so, that Communists, Fascists, and Socialists of all stripes have to bold face lie in order to promote their cause. They are so out of logical, rational, reasonable solutions that all they can do is shout down their opposition and hope that they can be intimidated into submission to their lies without recourse of discourse, discussion and debate.
Miri Islands
They are certainly breaking their word to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to protect and defend it from all enemies foreign and domestic as they swore/affirmed at their enlistment or commission ceremony. They have disgraced themselves and those of us who have worn or still wear the uniform. It makes me wonder just how stupid the Marxists think the American People are (rhetorical quesiton oc).
The European Union is the modern version of Charlemagne's empire change my mind.
Miencraft, Narland
Angela Merkel is a Karling
Miencraft
no
Auxorii
You know the old joke: "You'll spend six months as a Minarchist before you become an Anarcho-Capitalist." Well it took me two years, but I've figured out a rebuttal to my last statist justification. I know nobody asked, but you all seem receptive to political revelations.
What convinced you to make such a change?
Howdy folks, not getting rid of me that easy
Rateria, Skaveria
My previous hesitation was my own thoughts on how states originated. Formal governments naturally evolved from tribal societies. Tribes became kingdoms, kingdoms merged into countries, ect.
Those tribal societies originally were clans or families. It can be reasonably inferred that they had concent amongst all their members. When those clans evolved into more sophisticated states, it could then be inferred that the concent carried foward in time, despite the growing size and sophistication.
Previously, when states were small. If someone lacked concent to be governed by a state that was based on concent, it was reasonable that they could leave that state and go homestead, but the problem was that states grew so large that they butted up against one another.
There's nowhere for an Anarchist to go, to leave one state is to enter another. The only option left would be to abolish the state from within. The only problem with that is that those states were established with concent and continue to have broad concent for their continued existence in one form or another. Considering it's a violation of the NAP to abolish an organization that has concent from it's members. To overthrow the state violates the NAP.
Here's what changed my mind, political ideologies are based on what OUGHT, not on what CAN. Even if I didn't believe that ethically achieving Anarchy was possible, that didn't make me a Statist. It made me a very pessimistic Anarchist. Now I support a gradual shrinking of government over time so that a transition into Anarchy would be smooth and with no social upheaval or revolution.
Narland
I am from the opposite swing -- from Anarcho-Capitalism to Minarchism because:
1. People at their best can only do what they ought
2. When not at their best (mostly) don't do all if any what they ought even when they know better or desire to do otherwise
3. Most people have not thought themselves through, that no one cannot do what cannot ought be done
4. Those who do not realize point three come up with unworkable Statist pipe dreams inevitably blaming others to the death of millions
5. The best defense to use with eternal vigilance is a minimalist state whose only purpose is to disrupt, disband, and disenfranchise Statists, and anyone else who who would seek to defraud and coerce (as that is what Statism is at heart) others of their life, liberty, and justly gained property first amongst themselves by division, check and balance with swift and severe penalty for misfeasance.
I have been fighting all my life to end the garbage of expansive jurisdiction wrought on Americans by the horrible abuses of LBJ's Great Society that made sure no one can ever "go off the grid" ever again (hippies had the right idea on that one) and be forever subservient to the "rational administrative state", i.e., local, state, and federal bureaucrats. This was cinched tight by the 9th Circuit Supreme Court that the Politburo created soviets to subjugate liberty in Socialist Mother Russia were perfectly suited to be grafted into State, county and municipal government when called by their English name, planning commissions. If America is to survive, we need to remove these abominations unlawfully legislatively adjudicated from the bench during the "Trust Me" Jimmy Carter presidency.
I am hopeful enough to fight for Anarcho-Capitalism to the end, but have been around long enough to realize that Minarchism is a good as it is going to get as long as there are more than 2 people on the island (Caruso and Friday). (Kind of like Batman not being the hero that Gotham wants/needs, but the hero that Gotham deserves -- or something like that). However, I want to live in a country where the Congress consisting of Libertarians and Classical Liberal (whether Liberal or Conservative) argue about how much more laws and regulations can be dispensed with, and boasting how this year is the smallest fiscal year on record.
Nonetheless, I stand with you on working toward maximal Liberty.
Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria
Every rooosseee has it's thorns
Rateria
Just like every night has its dawn
Rateria
Just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song
Rateria
For right now, we should just focus on ending the wars and abolishing the Federal Reserve. Those are the real threats, not "muh weed and muh guns."
Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Auxorii
Youre forgetting crony capitalism, term limits & surveillance.
Rateria
Yes to ending cronyism and surveillance, but I go back and forth on term limits. If people want to elect the same person over and over again, who am I to tell them no? I understand the incumbent advantage and curruption angle, but those aren't certain. I'm sure in a utilitarian sense we'd have a healthier democracy if we implemented term limits, but I'm a Kantian at heart.
Narland, Auxorii
I suppose I can see that; I just disagree.
Miencraft, Rateria, Skaveria
I believe that dishonest banking and unsound currency is one of the biggest fights, up there with enforcing the crime of malfeasance (deprivation of rights under color of authority without prejudice (legal term)). I am trying to find reference to the letter -- it was one of the Founding Fathers writing to another about how astounding it was that going to a sound currency turned the fortunes of the people (and increased the productivity of the around faster than any other thing they could devise, as they (the people) could see the reward for their labors almost immediately). Dishonest weights and measures are an abomination -- Keynesian banking is most abominable because the people (especially the working poor) cannot see the rewards of the productivity of their labors that they have been swindled from them by inflation and debasing (of the currency) that they culpably falsify as "stimulus." The US Dollar has lost over 98% of its purchasing power in violation of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 since. It is long past due to rectify this felonious and imnsho felonious abuse.
Finances based on access to a market of competing currencies e.g., a choice between a state currency, and federal currency, the Spanish Milled Dollar, a Dutch Guilder, a British Pound etc. that our Founding Fathers had encourages financiers to utilize and create for themselves only the soundest. The law requiring US Citizens
Auxorii
On the one hand, the problem with term limits is to be found in human nature. Corrupt politicians will create for themselves a machine in the background to line up sycophants and yes men who will follow the strong man's despotism, such as Putin and Medvedev.
On the other hane, some people say term limits are like a cheap padlock that helps keep honest people honest. Politicians can go back home only a little disgustingly mutated instead of turning into a full blown swamp creature if they are in the Beltway for a decade.
I think it is most important for the judiciary to be strongly reviewed for good behaviour by their respective legislatures and signed off as acceptable by the executive to continue every 20 years as a good check and balance against their oligarchical nature.
I am more likely to vote for a candidate in the primary if one of their distinctive planks in they will limit themselves to x terms because they have to get back to their family business, than someone who wants to make a career out of legislating. or executing other people's lives away.
Auxorii, Rateria
Every rose has its thorn
Yeah it does
Auxorii, Rateria, Skaveria
Would any nations be willing to serve the Third Republic as Assemblyman?
Rateria
mmm perhaps
Citizens will be required to pledge their committment to running by August 5th, when we will hold a special election for the seat vacated by the unrighteous ban of Umakia, and as I have already stated on discord, the Presidency declares today, August 2nd, 2020, to be recognized as Zendirist Memorial Day throughout all of Libertatem.
Rateria
1. I am declaring my intent to run for assembly
2. Aren't holidays supposed to be voted on?
Auxorii, Rateria
1. Wonderful.
2. There isnt an official procedure.
Three VP picks that would help Biden and hurt Trump:
Michelle Obama -- because she in more popular than Biden
Oprah Winfrey --because she is more popular than the Beatles (cuz, they never had a talk show)
Harolyn Blackwell, because nobody but a few people with sophisticated tastes know who she is, but would be an excellent surprise candidate as she is a successful woman whose parentage was heavily involved in the Civil Rights Movement.
Count me in you apes B)
Auxorii, Rateria
Look forward 2 running against youse
Rateria, Rasczaks Republic
anyone else affected by the hurricane this week?
Rateria
Auxorii, Rateria
Got a few thunderstorms, but where I'm from, folks make a point of going outside and challenging the storm, not hide from it.
Rateria
Like Florida Man going outside in the hurricanes with the US flag and headbanging? cause that's dope
Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order
The special election has been called.
Suzi Island, Rateria, Rasczaks Republic
that's not just dope
that's metal
Suzi Island, Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order
Ha!
Skaveria, Jadentopian Order
Thanks for all who've voted, just over a day left #Assemblyrace
Auxorii, Jadentopian Order
Excited to start my term as assemblyman
Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order
When talking of the optics of selecting a person of certain race and sex for a particular office, his reply was doesn't give a d about race and gender, he wants competence and boldness. He then added:
"Politics is a magic show for the corrupt." -- Greg Gutfeld
Gutfeld is such a sentimentalist. :)
Miri Islands
probably most of the convo goes on in discord, but it sure seems like crickets here... ***chirp***
The Democrat party missed a golden opportunity to select Tulsi Gabbard for VP.
Rateria
Discord is active pretty much all the time.
The DNC has been missing golden opportunities for quite some time now...
Rateria
That would have made too much sense
Auxorii, Rateria
I'm REALLY excited to hear how my friends who've been making police brutality posts for two months justify supporting the Biden/Harris ticket.
Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands
my leftist friends are already posting things like "I can't believe I have to vote for this to get him out" so basically it's a vote against Trump
I guess they hope they win and continue the "struggle" after election? Dems dropped BLM fast as fucc after election 2016 tho so who knows
Narland, Rateria
My Democrat neighbors are mostly demoralized (rural Idaho). My county party is mostly a coalition/blend of Libertarians, Constitutionalists, and small government, liberty loving Republicans but statewide there are a lot of Statist running. Governor Little has been a huge disappointment and Romney Rhino.
***Warning: Rant after running into some "new" neighbors.***
There is only one set of radicals (and unabashed Marxists) in my area that I know of, and they temporarily had a very small strategically placed (for minimal view) 5x9 inch BLM placard maybe a month before removing it. They are not too bright. They are angry that their rural neighbors (such as myself) are "so mean" (to use one of their family friendly statements).
Yeah, it's our fault we have one of the lowest costs of living and a high standard of living of any other place in the nation. Instead of considering that perhaps there might possibly be some cause and effect as to the personal and political choices that we and our Pioneer forebears made which may perhaps have resulted in the relatively serene and tranquil stretch of country they chose to move to, we (God fearing, gun toting, liberty loving Americans) are what is wrong with America.
They think everything is wrong but them but cannot think their way out of a wet paper bag -- I sincerely want to curse out loud. Both of them telecommute from home apparently. Why aren't they living where the consequences of their choices are manifest? -- rhetorical question.
They should have been more diligent in selecting a 30 year mortgage in a part of the country that represents everything they claim to hate and despise -- liberty, freedom, small government, home schooled families (how horrible!), especially home schooled families that teaching the "evils" of Western Civ" -- logic, reason, civic virtue, coherent concepts of truth, justice and liberty as the basis of a free society -- and that the Socialist isms of 19th and 20th Century are some of the worst evils that mankind has ever faced.
One of them scowled that there were so many churches in such a sparsely populated county, and so few pubs (he might have said bars, idr). I commented that some branches of Christianity eschew alcohol itself, while others don't have a problem with it, just with the drunkenness and irresponsible behavior that comes from it. That started them ranting like a bunch of Manson Family cultists.
I cannot image what it is like in places like Portland, Seattle, or the Bay Area where there are thousands upon thousands of these hateful, spiteful, self-indulgent, inarticulate manchildren throwing throwing weight around like a petulant toddler who needs his behind spanked but good. If these two are even close to a representative sample our cities are doomed. They are full of themselves that they cannot see other people as people. All humans matter no less than anyone else. I would that Libertarians, Constitutonalists, Conservatives, or even a decent 1960s Liberal would move here in droves instead of mind-numbed CalSoc bellyfeelers.
***End rant***
Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, The New Icelandic Commonwealth
Thankfully I am not voting for Biden/Harris
[quote=auxorii;40162046]Discord is active pretty much all the time.
Discord is lit
Auxorii
One of my pet peeves is when speaking to a left-leaning person and they quote the fifties model as something we should revert to, meaning every dollar over your ten millionth is taxed upwards of ninety percent.
They never calculate for inflation, so ten million dollars in 1950 is around one hundred million dollars in 2020. To be accurate in that respect, they'd have to move the bracket upwards ten-fold.
They almost never specify that it was the MARGINAL tax rate either. The marginal tax rate almost doesn't matter. The EFFECTIVE tax rate is what's actually being paid out. From the way they talk about it I can usually tell they think the Feds took literally ninety percent.
Not to mention, even if you reverted to the actual fifties model today, it wouldn't work. The fifties model only worked in a post-WWII decade where the United States was the only participant left virtually untouched. Every other developed nation at that time had it's infrastructure completely decimated. The United States invested heavily in industry via deductions and subsidies, and then sold food, textiles, and machines to the entire world. This is literally the chain of events that made the United States a superpower.
Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth
TLDR;
#Bernie2024
One arm with leftists
The other arm social conservatives
Shaking "the fifties were a good decade"
Rateria
centrists are boring
Skaveria, Miri Islands
If you're a centrist, you either haven't thought about it much, or you've made so many concessions and diviated from your actual ideals so grotesquely that you're basically useless.
You bring up some interesting points. Do you have any resources so I can learn more about this?
Exactly, having any meaningful principles will easily drive you out of the center. Believe in maximizing human freedom? Congratulations, you're no longer a centrist. Believe people should do with their money as they see fit without anyone telling them how to spend it? Congratulations, you're no longer a centrist. Believe society shouldn't leave anyone behind? Congratulations you're no longer a centrist. Believe commies should be thrown from helicopters? Congratulations you're STILL a centrist
Skaveria
Another thing they do not want to do is use the specific legal definitions for taxes that were used back then either. Income meant in today's terms passive income such as made from annuities and rents, and investors who were foreign resident aliens. Not only that but the 1917 income tax wasn't "mandatory" for American businessmen until the 1953 fiscal year.
The bastards in DC revised the nation tax code that forced everyone (unless grandfathered in as a charter) to reconstruct their business from independent companies, entrepreneurships, partnerships or whatnot into the umbrella of "corporation" under the revised tax code that made EVERY business a creature of the state in which it was registered if it wanted to conduct "interstate commerce." Of course to them everything even if it was a one man hotdog stand on 4th Street was conducting "interstate commerce)" Then the lying Progressivitists in DC kept saying, "No, we have a voluntary income tax system" all the way through to the 1990s. The 1954 Republican rebellion was able to help dismantle nearly everything about Wilson's "Make the World Safe for Democracy" and
FDR's Ne Deal except for Social Security and the Idiocratic IRS (a Maryland Corporation).
Technically the Income Tax Amendment was only meant to be mandatory for was for corporate stockholders (and the like) and they promised that family householders would NOT be subject to it. Liars. But give a bureaucrat a little bit of power and they will eat out your substance as quickly and as thoroughly as possible given enough time, even if it takes decades or a century.
I could go on for paragraphs but will be mercifully short tonight.
Skaveria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth
Not off the top of my head, a lot of it was just things I've remembered from history classes and economics, although the inflation point was something I thought of and just converted myself.
Random tidbits of knowledge, my own thoughts, and probably some sort of propaganda I've consumed at some point, then boom, an opinion. I can't source a lot of it or even recall where I heard some of it.
Rateria
do i look like a wishy washy centrist to you, you little rockefeller republican?
I am simply pointing out that the socialist right and the socialist left share more similarities than differences. Including an infatuation with perhaps one of the worst decades of the 20th century.
Fair enough. Ive been in a similar situation before.
I think that public schools are designed to manufacture neo-liberals and neo-conservatives. They stress that there's two sides to every story and that there's grey area everywhere. Perhaps in some cases that's true, but the more I learn, the more I've come to realize that differences of opinion aren't simply: "different backgrounds, looking at different data, and having the same goals with different ways of getting there." No, it's more often the case that we have wildly different values and goals. It's more often the case that who I perceive as my political enemy actually IS my political enemy and it turns out there's a reason I initially assumed it.
Public school sucks
Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria, Miri Islands
The goal of public education in the United States established by Law (capital L) in accord with the Framers is to provide land and buildings for schools (people ) to instill morality and education, objectively through logic, reason, and communicative skill (rhetoric in the proper sense). The student is taught to be autopedantic (a bad word only to Socialists and like ilk), graduating to be his own schoolmaster set at matriculation for independent educational self-awareness (something this current crop of politicians sorely lack). College and universities are to fill in the blanks to the form of competent self-learning (education) of a mature and responsible Citizen able to be self-sufficient contributing member of society devoid of learned helplessness of both peasantry and nobility; and free to be free in a free and open society (anti-socialist, anti-marxist, anti-authoritarian, and anti-totalitarian).
The person's self interest is fully realized in providing a product, service, or benefit to others in his community, locally, and perchance regionally, and globally as his pursuit of happiness -- an indelible right to be free of arbitrary and . As he is self-governing, self-learning, self-correcting individual, he needs little if any external governance (government), and at that only those for which he wishes to participate in by election -- the less the better.
The goal of Progressive Modern Education established by Dewey and the Fabian Socialists (succumbed for over 100 years in places like Chicago and since the 1970s in Idaho) is to not teach morality and education, but conform children to a sociological norm, subjectively through social pressure generally and peer pressure specifically, education coming "ancillarially in due course (no pun intended).
The graduate is only familiar with PME model as the only means of "education" (and no other as all other forms are denied as education -- especially education derived from by to with and for self-interest outside the goals of Marxism) and its derived functionaries such as Common Core et al.; and is wholly dependent upon the "experts" of a rational administrative state (the Socialist Stage of Marxism) for his status in life, devoid of self-awareness and self interest as much as possible, with as much learned helplessness and narcissistic pride as possible as to be a proletariat ingrate totally dependent upon a massive governmental state of "experts" beholden to the Marxist ruling elite his entire life.
Pre Dewey public schools weren't great but they were some of the finest in the world for matriculating free, independent and capable unassuming men and women bearing the mantle of a moral and educate free people in a free society. Post-Dewy schools create some of the finest victimizational proletariat full of learned-helplessneness, projectified self-loathing fit for their own self-destruction in the furtherance of the Marxist revolution.
The public schools are now that in name only. They have been transmogrified into state indoctrination centers structurally by incessant Marxification for Marxification. Today what are called charter schools are the closest thing to what was once called public schools. Today's Statist schools are deliberate massive failures on the scale of willful treason. A return to actual education and alternate schooling (preferably home and private) is the future if America is to survive as a both a good and free country,
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And on the college front, Hillsdale is the only one that hasn't gone off the rails.
Hillsdale and the University of Hard Knocks. :)
Suzi Island
Hard Knocks U tends to make the best of people
Law and Order is a precondition to civil society.
Rateria, Miri Islands
Exactly, we can believe in basic liberty but anarchy becomes tyranny of the majority
Law of Liberty (by Self-Government) and the Order of Civility (by Civic Virtue), is the best combination ever (imo). I think history bears that out. To deny any individual education from UHK (University of Hard Knocks) is to deny them the ability to learn from their mistakes and a chance to pull themselves up from the prison of their own minds, and allow themselves to use their better informed self-interest to be helped out of their former predicament.
Of course in any despotism (soft or not) found in almost all of human history and sadly much of the US, the pretense of Law can (and usually does) mean bigotous external control and civility merely means prejudicial enforced decorum, (politics debased to the end of the torch and pitchork of the incited riotous mob on one hand and the point of the gun and stomp of the jackboot by the aspersions of the state on the other. Just the contrary of when a traditional American says the same thing.
In the light of Liberty and Equality by Law, and order by beneficent indifference, engaged deliberative self-government of individual civic virtue any people at any time can gain the opportunity to gain the best of both worlds over the next generation.
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I am probably rambling (running on 4 hours sleep). Unlike Trump, I cannot function without both the 1st and 2nd sleep and an afternoon powernap. :( My doctor says sleep is good, but I have a hard time believing it.
Rasczaks Republic
What a great RNC
Narland
Im voting Trump but no... it wasnt...
The GOP is now owned by President Trump, and whether hes out of office January 2021 or 2025, he has destroyed the internal affairs of the party and I honestly cant see a clear direction for the party to take once Trump is out. This convention was literally a jerk off fest for POTUS and his cronies.
They didnt even bother establishing a party platform this convention, instead, they just pledged to support President Trump. Once you have the party pledging to men rather than ideals, youre going in a seriously wrong direction - that will only blow up in our faces come his time in office.
Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Rasczaks Republic
I believe that Trump will win reelection, but I'm not necessarily sure that's a good thing. While I personally still like Trump slightly more than Biden. I think Biden would likely be somewhat of a lame duck and that'd be nice.
I have no idea what the GOP is going to do when Trump leaves office. They've made their party very Trumpist and it shows. I'm not blaming them. They kept running nice guys like McCain and Romney. The Democrats kept destroying them with wild accusations that left them constantly on the defensive. Having someone like Trump who not only attacked back, but did it BETTER, must've felt like politically snorting a fat rail, but this high ends sometime, whether it's in November or in four years. They need to be planning a post-Trump party.
Shallowell, Auxorii, Rateria
I'm also very interested to see what Trump does post-presidency. He needs to be in the limelight and this has just raised his bar. I hope he goes on JRE. That'd be amazing.
Rateria, Rasczaks Republic
I would like to see Trump interviewed by Rogan, Shapiro, Peterson, Molyneux, Crowder, Stossel, Ron Paul, Penn Gillete, David Boaz, Ken Hamblin, and Don Fotheringham (if Mr. Fotheringham is still with us -- I haven't thought about him in years) all at the same time. :)
They would make a dream team for the White House press corp. :)
Joe Rogan: So, President Trump, have you ever tried DMT?
Trump: I love DMT. My dealer has the best DMT. The best. Pelosis dealer has trash. Schumers dealer has trash. My DMT is the best, folks.
Shallowell, Auxorii, Skaveria, Miri Islands
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