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I would re-apply with Muh Roads. And ask Pev about your RLP membership.

The Seafield Islands In Libertatem wrote:Wait, am I still a Libertatem citizen and a member of the RLP?

Your name is no longer on the Citizens' Register, for some reason. But membership in the RLP is more or less open, so the answer to that is yes.

Okay, thanks too Pev!

I'll register with Muh Roads maybe later or tomorrow.

The Seafield Islands In Libertatem wrote:Okay, thanks Humperia!

Humpheria. I also accept Hump, Humph, Humpy, Humpman, and Steve.

Humpheria wrote:Well we have to wait on that. We have the election and then we have a three day Libertatem-FFS Treaty vote.

Okey dokey. Thanks, Humpmeister.

The New United States wrote:Okey dokey. Thanks, Humpmeister.

That too.

The Commonwealth of Free Nations (As per my suggestion) is having a poll over which parties in your region our members support.

Albenia wrote:The Commonwealth of Free Nations (As per my suggestion) is having a poll over which parties in your region our members support.

Voted RLP.

Humpheria wrote:It may just say ally but I can tell you as the author of that section that I meant any foreign puppet. He is still a foreign puppet. He has said many times that he has foreign nations. The thirty day rule should still apply. I honestly don't feel too strongly about any of the candidates and I didn't bring this up for political reasons. If an application is invalid and hasn't yet reached the puppet (BECAUSE HE IS A FREAKING PUPPET), even if Muh accepts, it wouldn't be valid. I'm sorry that you're upset about your friend CI, but using wordplay and lawyer's semantics won't change the fact that he has other nations and his Citizen nation is a puppet.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Ankha is not a dignitary (1. he does not represent UCR 2. he does not represent any region 3. the word of law says he has to represent an allied region to be a dignitary). Therefore, ten days, Ankha is a citizen, he can participate.

The New United States wrote:Ankhora has citizenship only on Ankhora, not on Ankha. According to Fraud Act 2:2, he can not run as Ankha.

"Section II

Clarify specific laws on puppet use

Subsection I

Any nation classified as a Citizen is entitled to the use of puppets

Subsection II

Said puppets ARE NOT Citizens, and do not have voting rights nor the right to stand for public office"

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I believe we did a similar situation with Alchandria and Godisdead

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Above all, we cannot be inconsistent; we have permitted Alchandria to subvert what Humph insists is the law yet disallowed it in Ankhora's case, undermining the principle of equality under the law. Ankha and Godisdead are either both citizens, or both non-citizens; I, naturally, would be on the side of citizenship, as the law reads in their favor and, in any case, was written to keep undesirable nations out (and Ankha and Godisdead are not undesirable).

But if you accuse me of supporting Ankha's campaign over principle, I will say this; I would work just as quickly to ensure that both Ankha and Godisdead are not citizens if that is the will of the region.

What matters is that we have an answer; a loophole exists and must be closed one way or another. A ruling from the Attorney-General, or some wisdom from Pevvania, would be much appreciated.

Muh Roads wrote:Heres the deal. According to his application, Ankhora was the main nation. He stated he was NOT a foreign dignitary. He had NO indication that said he was had a true home elsewhere. Ankhora resided in Libertatem for over 10 days. We only accept puppets from citizens and allies of Libertatem.

Subsection I

[B]Any nation classified as a Citizen is entitled to the use of puppets[/B]

Subsection II

Said puppets ARE NOT Citizens, and do not have voting rights nor the right to stand for public office

Only citizens can hold puppets in Libertatem. Key words. Ankhora was NOT considered a puppet.

There is no sure fire way of knowing who is whom. I can do a basic bit of research and that's about it.

If the people are so vehemently against his citizenship, then so be it. I will move to have it revoked.

Judgement on Ankha's Case

Alright, I've read everything (yes, everything), I've heard both sides of the argument and heard all concerns, and I think I've made a judgement. In the absence of the Attorney-General, I hereby invoke the Executive Resolution Clause of Article II of the Constitution. In making my judgement, I've used both a textualist interpretation of the FRAUD Act and already-set precedent.

When [nation=short]Ankhora[/nation] came here the second time, he did so not representing any other region. He had become largely estranged from Ucr by that point, and applied for citizenship as a 'main' nation. He did not identify as a foreign dignitary, and could not be considered one regardless because he did not come from an allied region. This is an unfortunate loophole in the FRAUD Act, but one that must be recognised as a part of the law. And the allegations that Ankhora is a puppet are debatable, and probably false. The FRAUD Act does not clearly define what a 'puppet' actually is, but refers to the fact that "Citizens are entitled to the use of puppets... Said puppets are NOT Citizens, and do not have voting rights nor the right to stand for public office."

[nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] was allowed to change his citizen nation to [nation=short]Godisdead[/nation] upon agreement between the Department of Internal Affairs, the Board and myself, the President. This was based on the grounds that he was already a citizen under a different nation, so was allowed to transfer this status to [nation=short]Godisdead[/nation]. We applied this same principle to giving citizenship to [nation=short]The New United States[/nation], who formerly resided in this region under the name [B]The Liberty Front[/B]. So there is a very clear precedent here that allows citizenship transferral.

But is there a legal justification beyond this? The answer to that is yes.

The FRAUD Act

Section V

Citizenship

Subsection VI

[B]The Manager of Internal Affairs will keep a public list of Citizens, and will manage the status and list of Citizens appropriately[/B]

The Manager has exercised his powers in managing the status and list of Citizens appropriately in transferring citizenship from [nation=short]Ankhora[/nation] to [nation=short]Ankha[/nation]. Therefore, based on this and the above points, [nation=short]Ankha[/nation] is eligible to stand for public office.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Cool. As long as it got resolved.

Pevvania wrote:Judgement on Ankha's Case

Alright, I've read everything (yes, everything), I've heard both sides of the argument and heard all concerns, and I think I've made a judgement. In the absence of the Attorney-General, I hereby invoke the Executive Resolution Clause of Article II of the Constitution. In making my judgement, I've used both a textualist interpretation of the FRAUD Act and already-set precedent.

When [nation=short]Ankhora[/nation] came here the second time, he did so not representing any other region. He had become largely estranged from Ucr by that point, and applied for citizenship as a 'main' nation. He did not identify as a foreign dignitary, and could not be considered one regardless because he did not come from an allied region. This is an unfortunate loophole in the FRAUD Act, but one that must be recognised as a part of the law. And the allegations that Ankhora is a puppet are debatable, and probably false. The FRAUD Act does not clearly define what a 'puppet' actually is, but refers to the fact that "Citizens are entitled to the use of puppets... Said puppets are NOT Citizens, and do not have voting rights nor the right to stand for public office."

[nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] was allowed to change his citizen nation to [nation=short]Godisdead[/nation] upon agreement between the Department of Internal Affairs, the Board and myself, the President. This was based on the grounds that he was already a citizen under a different nation, so was allowed to transfer this status to [nation=short]Godisdead[/nation]. We applied this same principle to giving citizenship to [nation=short]The New United States[/nation], who formerly resided in this region under the name [B]The Liberty Front[/B]. So there is a very clear precedent here that allows citizenship transferral.

But is there a legal justification beyond this? The answer to that is yes.

The FRAUD Act

Section V

Citizenship

Subsection VI

[B]The Manager of Internal Affairs will keep a public list of Citizens, and will manage the status and list of Citizens appropriately[/B]

The Manager has exercised his powers in managing the status and list of Citizens appropriately in transferring citizenship from [nation=short]Ankhora[/nation] to [nation=short]Ankha[/nation]. Therefore, based on this and the above points, [nation=short]Ankha[/nation] is eligible to stand for public office.

woo

Now, let's debate some real issues. What are your thoughts on immigration?

I've become a staunch open borders advocate, but only when the welfare state is cut down or abolished. Nevertheless, I'd like to see more immigration in the meantime. There's a myth that's been floating around for a while that if borders were opened so many immigrants would come into Britain/America/wherever that every square metre would be crowded by immigrants. You couldn't walk down the street, or open the door, without a flood of people literally bursting in your direction.

Obviously, this is not true. Even on a less exaggerated scale, it is false. If 'mass immigration' were to occur again in the United States, it would naturally end when the price of housing becomes to high. It will act as an economic barrier to entry to any new arrivals. For example, millions of people live in New York City, and there's constant demand for housing there. Few low-skilled immigrants come to New York City (and those that do diversify the labour market), and the high-skilled ones add more capital to the economy. Meanwhile, housing prices in Detroit have hit rock bottom as thousands of people are trying to move. Demand is extremely low.

Pevvania wrote:Judgement on Ankha's Case

Alright, I've read everything (yes, everything), I've heard both sides of the argument and heard all concerns, and I think I've made a judgement. In the absence of the Attorney-General, I hereby invoke the Executive Resolution Clause of Article II of the Constitution. In making my judgement, I've used both a textualist interpretation of the FRAUD Act and already-set precedent.

When [nation=short]Ankhora[/nation] came here the second time, he did so not representing any other region. He had become largely estranged from Ucr by that point, and applied for citizenship as a 'main' nation. He did not identify as a foreign dignitary, and could not be considered one regardless because he did not come from an allied region. This is an unfortunate loophole in the FRAUD Act, but one that must be recognised as a part of the law. And the allegations that Ankhora is a puppet are debatable, and probably false. The FRAUD Act does not clearly define what a 'puppet' actually is, but refers to the fact that "Citizens are entitled to the use of puppets... Said puppets are NOT Citizens, and do not have voting rights nor the right to stand for public office."

[nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] was allowed to change his citizen nation to [nation=short]Godisdead[/nation] upon agreement between the Department of Internal Affairs, the Board and myself, the President. This was based on the grounds that he was already a citizen under a different nation, so was allowed to transfer this status to [nation=short]Godisdead[/nation]. We applied this same principle to giving citizenship to [nation=short]The New United States[/nation], who formerly resided in this region under the name [B]The Liberty Front[/B]. So there is a very clear precedent here that allows citizenship transferral.

But is there a legal justification beyond this? The answer to that is yes.

The FRAUD Act

Section V

Citizenship

Subsection VI

[B]The Manager of Internal Affairs will keep a public list of Citizens, and will manage the status and list of Citizens appropriately[/B]

The Manager has exercised his powers in managing the status and list of Citizens appropriately in transferring citizenship from [nation=short]Ankhora[/nation] to [nation=short]Ankha[/nation]. Therefore, based on this and the above points, [nation=short]Ankha[/nation] is eligible to stand for public office.

Thanks, but now we have to have everyone vote again.

Ipian wrote:woo
:)

Past activity < current activity

Btw, Lack, please revote.

Jesus, what does it take to get you guys debating something?

Pevvania wrote:Jesus, what does it take to get you guys debating something?

lol

Pevvania wrote:Jesus, what does it take to get you guys debating something?

Well......

Pevvania wrote:Jesus, what does it take to get you guys debating something?

I can do it. Welfare and Obama and Tax. Boom.

Obama does nothing good.

Ankha wrote:Obama does nothing good.

I know right.

I too am a huge supporter of immigration. Especially here in the US, a country founded on immigration, I can't understand people's disliking of immigrants, especially those from Mexico. People's xenophobia has never been stronger than it is right now. I think it's like 10% of all people speak spanish in the US now. But us WASPs are just so scared of people from other countries it's really quite saddening. You see people from elsewhere treated so poorly sometimes and automatically hailed with prejudice. I really don't like that, even my own family acts xenophobic all of the time and it really makes me mad.

Pevvania wrote:Jesus, what does it take to get you guys debating something?

You know how to get me bby

Ankha wrote:Obama does nothing good.

He was a fairly decent candidate, for a Democrat, in 2008. He seemed committed to restoring civil liberties in the United States and ending the wars. But as we've seen, he played that card just to get elected. His Presidency has been nothing but a consolidation of Bush's legacy, both on foreign and domestic policy.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I too am a huge supporter of immigration. Especially here in the US, a country founded on immigration, I can't understand people's disliking of immigrants, especially those from Mexico. People's xenophobia has never been stronger than it is right now. I think it's like 10% of all people speak spanish in the US now. But us WASPs are just so scared of people from other countries it's really quite saddening. You see people from elsewhere treated so poorly sometimes and automatically hailed with prejudice. I really don't like that, even my own family acts xenophobic all of the time and it really makes me mad.

I wouldn't call my family xenophobes, but they too fall into the "Kick out the illegals and limit immigration" crowd. I identified with them for a while. But my embrace of libertarianism has made me a better and more tolerant person.

Pevvania wrote:He was a fairly decent candidate, for a Democrat, in 2008. He seemed committed to restoring civil liberties in the United States and ending the wars. But as we've seen, he played that card just to get elected. His Presidency has been nothing but a consolidation of Bush's legacy, both on foreign and domestic policy.

He seemed like alot of good stuff.. Seemed is operative.

RRRG are you anti-communist?

This nation is a puppet nation of [nation=short]The Seafield Islands[/nation]. But, I already was in Libertatem before, and I do not represent the Federation of Free States here, so I'm not a dignitary. This nation had stayed in Libertatem for more than 30 days before I went inactive.

So, should I still wait for 30 days before re-applying for citizenship?

I'll say this again.

My thoughts on immigration. I am for it so long as it's legal. Illegals should have Benefits cut which will cause them to leave on their own and return as citizens.

It's up to Muh, but I think you should be good.

The Seafield Islands In Libertatem wrote:This nation is a puppet nation of [nation=short]The Seafield Islands[/nation]. But, I already was in Libertatem before, and I do not represent the Federation of Free States here, so I'm not a dignitary. This nation had stayed in Libertatem for more than 30 days before I went inactive.

So, should I still wait for 30 days before re-applying for citizenship?

Your previous record is good. Apply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da974B1gSUw

I think it's absolutely disgusting how Richard Martinez - father of one of the Isla Vista Massacre victims - has utilised the death of his son to push a political agenda. I'm f___ing sick of morons beating the dead horse of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!1", as if it's some kind of argument against self-defense rights.

We hear so much about idiots preaching about gun safety, but we don't hear many people speaking out against US Government atrocities and drone strikes. For parasites like Martinez, it's all about curtailing the rights of everyone else to gain some personal satisfaction, rather than thinking about the millions of people murdered by governments who use morons like him to further erode people's freedom. "When will this madness end?" he says. The only madness I see is the overwhelming number of drones who feel it's their duty to force others to conform to their lifestyles. But these people are too cowardly to do it themselves, and must force the State to do it for them. If they want to reduce the amount of gun deaths and overall homicides, they should push for ending the Drug War (70% of gun deaths are gang-related) and helping people out of poverty by ending the welfare state.

You Americans don't know how blessed you are. Here in Europe, ignorant authoritarians control our governments rather than being relegated to pressure groups and town hall meetings. I've come to understand what Reagan meant by saying that "If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth." That message is relevant to this day, despite the work that's been done to undermine it.

Gun control needs to almost disappear. Guns can be used responsibly, and people who do not shouldnt have them, but all people have the right to a gun.

Ankha wrote:Gun control needs to almost disappear. Guns can be used responsibly, and people who do not shouldnt have them, but all people have the right to a gun.

Indeed. I find it puzzling why some Marxists support banning guns. I mean, how else are they going to start the revolution? Shouldn't restricting people's rights come after they take power? ;)

Exactly. Registration is just the first step to taking guns and becoming socialist.

I will vote for someone who supports the treaty with the FFS. :)

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Pevvania wrote:Indeed. I find it puzzling why some Marxists support banning guns. I mean, how else are they going to start the revolution? Shouldn't restricting people's rights come after they take power? ;)

Yep. Ban everybody else's but let the Commies keep theirs.

Gun Control should be treated like a Driver's License. At a certain age a citizen must take a short test to get a learners permit to own a gun. While having this permit he may only use his gun on range. Procedures will be taken to lock the gun unless at a range. After practicing at the range for about a year they may take a test to earn a gun license at which point they may own a rifle or something.....I'm working out the kinks of the plan.

Albenia wrote:Gun Control should be treated like a Driver's License. At a certain age a citizen must take a short test to get a learners permit to own a gun. While having this permit he may only use his gun on range. Procedures will be taken to lock the gun unless at a range. After practicing at the range for about a year they may take a test to earn a gun license at which point they may own a rifle or something.....I'm working out the kinks of the plan.

I think that's logical.

Pevvania wrote:Indeed. I find it puzzling why some Marxists support banning guns. I mean, how else are they going to start the revolution? Shouldn't restricting people's rights come after they take power? ;)

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

*What does Viva la mean?

Humpheria wrote:RRRG are you anti-communist?

Absolutely

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Absolutely

I am also conventionally.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Absolutely

My vote goes to you because Godisdead has done things I don't agree with.

[B]Being drafted:[/B] the Allocating Principled Powers Enabling Appeals to Litigation (APPEAL) Act.

Ankha wrote:I am also conventionally.

Oh but only in this region, only so you get people's votes, right?

Humpheria wrote:My vote goes to you because Godisdead has done things I don't agree with.

Thanks for the support Broseph.

lack vote ankha

He likely will when he gets back.

Ankha wrote:He likely will when he gets back.

Ok.

Ankha wrote:He lakely will when he gets back.

yay woo ANARCHY yay woo

Yay. Thanks CI. ^

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Ankha wrote:What? ^

My nation is now a anarchy.

The Second REAGAN Treaty has been written, and awaits the ratification of this region's legislature.

Oh, yes... It's not like the Democratic party isn't American, either... No, No... They're too liberal or too leftist or, dare I say, communist.

This is ridiculous...

There's a reason people aren't Republican, and they're for the completely opposite reasons that people aren't Democrats. ;)

Oh? Pangea what are your politics.

And might I introduce myself. This is the puppet of the nation The Time Alliance .

I'm a Liberal Socialist Libertarian.

Pangea Liberalis wrote:There's a reason people aren't Republican, and they're for the completely opposite reasons that people aren't Democrats. ;)

And what would you say those reasons are?

You know what? Let's just implement radical forms of left wing ideology to show them how bad it is. I am talking a 99% income tax on the rich and 50% on the poor, a minimum wage of $40, unlimited immigration with a free welfare for all, affirmative action for everyone who can claim to be disadvantaged, and ban any sort of "oppressive" transaction of money. Let's see how long America survives with that, and when the country needs to be bailed out by the EU or something, we can go "we told you so."

That's how nihilistic I am feeling today. Destroy everything and we can rebuild from the ground up. Dust to dust.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:

Heh heh heh, never give up the fight.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You know what? Let's just implement radical forms of left wing ideology to show them how bad it is. I am talking a 99% income tax on the rich and 50% on the poor, a minimum wage of $40, unlimited immigration with a free welfare for all, affirmative action for everyone who can claim to be disadvantaged, and ban any sort of "oppressive" transaction of money. Let's see how long America survives with that, and when the country needs to be bailed out by the EU or something, we can go "we told you so."

That's how nihilistic I am feeling today. Destroy everything and we can rebuild from the ground up. Dust to dust.

looks like someone wants to see Atlas shrug

Question to the canidates, how would you vote on the new REGAN treaty as now proposed if it came to a vote at the board?

*candidates

#dyslexicprobs

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You know what? Let's just implement radical forms of left wing ideology to show them how bad it is. I am talking a 99% income tax on the rich and 50% on the poor, a minimum wage of $40, unlimited immigration with a free welfare for all, affirmative action for everyone who can claim to be disadvantaged, and ban any sort of "oppressive" transaction of money. Let's see how long America survives with that, and when the country needs to be bailed out by the EU or something, we can go "we told you so."

That's how nihilistic I am feeling today. Destroy everything and we can rebuild from the ground up. Dust to dust.

This whole post gave me cancer. Your doing Radical Left-Wing wrong.

Income Tax= Set by amount made and Factors such as health and children.

MW= $10

Free Healthcare

Ban Money

And Equalize all socially

Implement a Direct Democracy

Centralize government economically

Central government is ran by the people

Lack There Of wrote:looks like someone wants to see Atlas shrug

To be fair I am also partly curious of the effects. But I would prefer to watch it from another country, like a sadistic crowd watching someone get hung by the death penalty.

Albenia wrote:This whole post gave me cancer. Your doing Radical Left-Wing wrong.

Income Tax= Set by amount made and Factors such as health and children.

MW= $10

Free Healthcare

Ban Money

And Equalize all socially

Implement a Direct Democracy

Centralize government economically

Central government is ran by the people

This whole post gave me cancer. Your doing Literally everything wrong wrong

Ban Money = MW= $10

Centralize government economically = And Equalize all socially

Albenia wrote:This whole post gave me cancer. Your doing Radical Left-Wing wrong.

Income Tax= Set by amount made and Factors such as health and children.

MW= $10

Free Healthcare

Ban Money

And Equalize all socially

Implement a Direct Democracy

Centralize government economically

Central government is ran by the people

Without becoming purely communist, how do you get a MW of $10 and a set income tax if there is no money?

Logic don't flow

Republic Of Minerva wrote:To be fair I am also partly curious of the effects. But I would prefer to watch it from another country, like a sadistic crowd watching someone get hung by the death penalty.

Watch it end up working in the long term and you sitting there with a wide open jaw. My reaction would be like. "Wow....It does work..."

Lack There Of wrote:This whole post gave me cancer. Your doing Literally everything wrong wrong

Ban Money = MW= $10

Centralize government economically = And Equalize all socially

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Without becoming purely communist, how do you get a MW of $10 and a set income tax if there is no money?

Logic don't flow

I'm going by Left-Wing logic. Didn't say it was my logic.

Albenia wrote:Watch it end up working in the long term and you sitting there with a wide open jaw. My reaction would be like. "Wow....It does work..."

Yes, comrade. Next we can abolish work and let robots take over!

Lack There Of wrote:Question to the canidates, how would you vote on the new REGAN treaty as now proposed if it came to a vote at the board?

Lack -I would vote yes. Alone, we cannot neutralize totalitarian powers, but together with greater magnitude, as Minerva knows such as with raiding, we have a much better chance.

Lack There Of wrote:looks like someone wants to see Atlas shrug

It actually isnt that bad. Ive seen both movies and the book.

Using what I just posted and applying my changes.

Income Tax= Set by amount made and Factors such as health and children.

MW= $5-7

Free Healthcare

Equalize all socially

Implement a Direct Democracy

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Yes, comrade. Next we can abolish work and let robots take over!

Or let Humpy take over.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Yes, comrade. Next we can abolish work and let robots take over!

But the Proletariat won't have jobs!

*Time Alliance puts on the red cape of the Proletariat once more becoming "The Hero of the Proletariat"*

Albenia wrote:

Implement a Direct Democracy

literally the worst idea ever

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Albenia wrote:But the Proletariat won't have jobs!

*Time Alliance puts on the red cape of the Proletariat once more becoming "The Hero of the Proletariat"*

Exactly.

Lack There Of wrote:literally the worst idea ever

Besides untinting the windows on Chris's office....

Lack There Of wrote:literally the worst idea ever

How so? How so?

It gives the people the ability to better express THEIR opinion on things. And all we have to do is kill of electoral college. I'm not saying we vote on every law, but that we demolish Electoral college and get a say in more important laws.

Albenia wrote:How so? How so?

It gives the people the ability to better express THEIR opinion on things. And all we have to do is kill of electoral college. I'm not saying we vote on every law, but that we demolish Electoral college and get a say in more important laws.

therefore, *finishing for TTA* the economy and jobs dont exist because people are voting on frivolous things all day therefore.....

Ankha wrote:therefore, *finishing for TTA* the economy and jobs dont exist because people are voting on frivolous things all day therefore.....

........

Albenia wrote:How so? How so?

I'm not saying we vote on every law, but that we demolish Electoral college and get a say in more important laws.

Anyways. My results on the World's Smallest Political quiz changed

from a 90 to a 100 on Personal Freedoms

and

From a 50 to a 60 on Economic Freedoms

I'm not sure how I feel about Reagan Treaty 2. I'll probably support it.

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