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Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:UCR is best ignored. They couldn't handle anarcho-communism and are reverting to a more primitive, authoritarian system. To them, the three of us are traitors, when in truth they betrayed themselves.

Well, that's enough dwelling on the past. Where are you planning on heading to next, Ron? (In case either of you are interested, you could send yourself or a puppet to take up citizenship and residency in International Republican Union.)

Why that region?

Ronacria wrote:Why that region?

I run it, it could use the activity, and it's a haven for those I consider my friends. Emphasis on that third part.

The Amarican Empire wrote:So you are saying Communal is like McCarthy?

Ironic, right? It's a complete role-reversal.

I won't stay but I'll visit for a while.

You know, I still hate the flag of this region.

That's a sign that it's working, I guess.

Ronacria wrote:Wow it is true, they trashed my system of people run departments. Now tsar gets to lead them to "former glory".

I much preferred the anarcho-communism.. and that's alot coming from me. Sorry to hear of your troubles. Your welcome to hang your hat here for as long as you like.

Muh Roads wrote:I much preferred the anarcho-communism.. and that's alot coming from me.

In comparison to an authoritarian system of course..

Welcome, Ronacria. Hope you enjoy your stay.

Has the Board come to a decision on the constitutionality of DERP?

For the interests of transparency and a more open political process, I'd like to request that the Board publicly vote on all matters that come to their desk.

Pevvania wrote:For the interests of transparency and a more open political process, I'd like to request that the Board publicly vote on all matters that come to their desk.

Seconded

I'm a little disappointed that the Attorney-General did not present a legal argument against DERP.

I'm looking for someone to create a completely new forum. One flexible enough for editing, tags, etc. Our current one is old and underused. We need something fresh.

Ronacria wrote:You know, I still hate the flag of this region.

I have asked the founder if I can change it. It's about time we adopt something more positive and libertarian. If he gives me the green light, I'll commission Minerva to whip up a cool flag.

Muh Roads wrote:Seconded

Thirded.

Pevvania wrote:I'm a little disappointed that the Attorney-General did not present a legal argument against DERP.

It's obvious that a legal argument exists; government involvement in the private party system alone constitutes corruption that defies our laws...I'm quite sorry I wrote it, but at the time I felt I needed to.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:It's obvious that a legal argument exists; government involvement in the private party system alone constitutes corruption that defies our laws...I'm quite sorry I wrote it, but at the time I felt I needed to.

At the time, it was an act of pragmatism. It was taking up unnecessary space on our party register. But what concerns me about DERP is that it makes several references to the fact that the Right Party was a right-socialist party, as a reason for its disestablishment.

Section II

Subsection II

Those who wish to refound [the Right Party] must set it in a different direction that does not sympathize with fascists, Nazis, or statists.

Subsection Subsection I

It must also, if it is to have a leader, have a leader that does not have fascist or statist sympathies.

These two subsections directly contravene the free speech clause of the Bill of Rights.

The Founder himself actually planned to challenge it in court after you brought it to the floor.

So far Lack has voted yea. No one else has voted.

Humpheria wrote:So far Lack has voted yea. No one else has voted.

Could you guys vote on the RMB from now on?

If I was ordered to.

Pevvania wrote:Could you guys vote on the RMB from now on?

This was how it was formally done, it was always a mess. I would propose that after the board has come to a consensus and the votes are revealed after voting procedure is finished.

I am in agreement with Lack, I feel like it would be easier. Because it would be difficult to separate posts, and keep track and the lot of it. I can release an official report after every vote.

Then I'd at least prefer you discuss it on the forum, or on Chatzy.

I don't have access to those on a regular basis.

Humpheria wrote:I don't have access to those on a regular basis.

Second

Pevvania wrote:I have asked the founder if I can change it. It's about time we adopt something more positive and libertarian. If he gives me the green light, I'll commission Minerva to whip up a cool flag.

Maybe it could have an anti-commie and anti-fash symbols.. lol

Ok then. I don't agree with your decision, but will not challenge it.

Muh Roads wrote:Maybe it could have an anti-commie and anti-fash symbols.. lol

I won't bow to political correctness in order to appeal to a larger group. But the flag is old, alienating and reflects a time when we were so anti-communist that we'd work with any Tom, Dick or fascist to extinguish t.

Humpheria wrote:I don't have access to those on a regular basis.

Lack There Of wrote:Second

Would there maybe be an alternative you could think of?

It's not that I am championing censorship and closed decisions, it's just that logistically and technically, it isn't practical. I will make a report after every vote with quotes of what everyone said and their votes. The best of both worlds.

Pevvania wrote:I won't bow to political correctness in order to appeal to a larger group. But the flag is old, alienating and reflects a time when we were so anti-communist that we'd work with any Tom, Dick or fascist to extinguish t.

No no, that's not the point. I'm not out to appeal to anyone but ourselves. I just thought it might be a neat idea.

Humpheria wrote:It's not that I am championing censorship and closed decisions, it's just that logistically and technically, it isn't practical. I will make a report after every vote with quotes of what everyone said and their votes. The best of both worlds.

If that's the best we can get then fine, i suppose.

I never did like the flag. But I don't think that's a major issue.

Muh Roads wrote:No no, that's not the point. I'm not out to appeal to anyone but ourselves. I just thought it might be a neat idea.

My strong words were not aimed at you, but certain others who wish to weaken our region.

Pevvania wrote:My strong words were not aimed at you, but certain others who wish to weaken our region.

Ah Okay. <3

Humpheria wrote:I never did like the flag. But I don't think that's a major issue.

Others perceptions of us are very much a major issue.

Because apparently not having access to a website is championing government censorship. I see how that works. Thanks, guys.

Founder does not approve of a flag change, so I will not push it.

I'm up to Season 2, Episode 3 of House of Cards. Things are really heating up!

Humpheria wrote:Because apparently not having access to a website is championing government censorship. I see how that works. Thanks, guys.

I didn't say that?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Others perceptions of us are very much a major issue.

No, I didn't mean it shouldn't be an issue. I meant that there are more pressing matters. I also think that people don't judge us by our flag, they judge us by our actions.

Muh Roads wrote:I didn't say that?

Muh Roads wrote:If that's the best we can get then fine, i suppose.

You sound enthused by that option.

I have something to say:

CI is a corrupt politician. He has no allegiance. He has his own interests at heart, and will do anything for those self-motivated interests. No questions asked.

Be wary.

My warning.

Ankhora wrote:I have something to say:

CI is a corrupt politician. He has no allegiance. He has his own interests at heart, and will do anything for those self-motivated interests. No questions asked.

Be wary.

My warning.

Ankhora, you are an uninformed child whose abrasiveness and naiveté does you no good. Begone.

Wow. That makes you seem quite uninformed. Anyway, you've been warned.

Apparently, those up near the top of the Ucr hierarchy believe that this nation and [nation=short]Liberosia[/nation] are controlled by the same person. An interesting thought.

I do support a flag change.

I will not issue a flag change via executive order, but if legislation is proposed for a meaningful flag change I will not veto it.

I like what the flag represents. Anti-communism and all. I just don't really like how it looks. Again, not a chief issue.

It's just very negative.

Ankhora wrote:I have something to say:

CI is a corrupt politician. He has no allegiance. He has his own interests at heart, and will do anything for those self-motivated interests. No questions asked.

Be wary.

My warning.

That's actually what I look for in politicians

Executive powers temporarily blocked due to security threat.

It's not like it is used often anyway. :p

What about a Classic Don't Tread on me Flag. No one shall Tread on the Liberty of Libertatem.

Hallo Diplomat wrote:It's just very negative.

And your point is? The only people the flag should offend is commies i.e. our enemies. Something this region is all about is hating on commies so it seems appropriate.

Where might I find the DERP act gents? I couldn't find it in Pev's or CI's factbook?

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:And your point is? The only people the flag should offend is commies i.e. our enemies. Something this region is all about is hating on commies so it seems appropriate.

Where might I find the DERP act gents? I couldn't find it in Pev's or CI's factbook?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/id=186605

Humpheria wrote:It's not that I am championing censorship and closed decisions, it's just that logistically and technically, it isn't practical. I will make a report after every vote with quotes of what everyone said and their votes. The best of both worlds.

Very well; we should at least be able to see who voted for what.

Ankhora wrote:I have something to say:

CI is a corrupt politician. He has no allegiance. He has his own interests at heart, and will do anything for those self-motivated interests. No questions asked.

Be wary.

My warning.

Bad pretenses aside, this is not terrible advice. I do indeed advance my own interests when the need arises, but "corrupt politician" implies that I make an effort to act maliciously to others and hide said action - I do neither.

It does not surprise me to see a communist genuinely unaware that personal interests always come before those of a group. As a capitalist region, we understand this well.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What about a Classic Don't Tread on me Flag. No one shall Tread on the Liberty of Libertatem.

As good an idea as any. I approve.

What news on the DERP Act repeal?

I vote yea on the repeal.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What about a Classic Don't Tread on me Flag. No one shall Tread on the Liberty of Libertatem.

Great idea.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Very well; we should at least be able to see who voted for what.

That's what I meant that is the purpose of the report.

"I vote in favor of repealing." ~Me, just now. Yay transparency.

Obviously we're talking about DERP here, come on now.

Official Board Report on: The Fate of the DERP Act

The DERP Act's constitutionality was challenged by the Attorney General.

The Chairman initiated the vote.

Seat One: [nation=short+noflag]Lack there of[/nation]

"Yea"

Seat Three: [nation=short+noflag]Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes[/nation]

"I vote YEA"

Seat Four: [nation=short+noflag]Miencraft[/nation]

"I vote in favor of repealing."

Seat Five: [nation=short+noflag]Alchandria[/nation]

"I vote yea on the repeal."

The repeal of the DERP Act was approved unanimously by the Board of Libertatem. It will from this day forth be struck from the laws of our great region. God Bless Libertatem!

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/id=186605

Humpheria wrote:Official Board Report on: The Fate of the DERP Act

The DERP Act's constitutionality was challenged by the Attorney General.

The Chairman initiated the vote.

Seat One: [nation=short+noflag]Lack there of[/nation]

"Yea"

Seat Three: [nation=short+noflag]Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes[/nation]

"I vote YEA"

Seat Four: [nation=short+noflag]Miencraft[/nation]

"I vote in favor of repealing."

Seat Five: [nation=short+noflag]Alchandria[/nation]

"I vote yea on the repeal."

The repeal of the DERP Act was approved unanimously by the Board of Libertatem. It will from this day forth be struck from the laws of our great region. [B]God Bless Libertatem[/B]!

SECULARIZE IT!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:SECULARIZE IT!

BILL NYE AND NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON BLESS LIBERTATEM!

So, what actually made you pass DERP? It was a clear suppression of freedom of speech.

Hallo Diplomat wrote:So, what actually made you pass DERP? It was a clear suppression of freedom of speech.

That was a long time ago in a different era of Libertatem. Excluding Miencraft, who may or may not have been on the board, none of the current board members had a say in the initial passage of this law. The contents were largely topical to the period and have been mostly ignored. The repeal has been long coming, but relatively unnecessary due to it's pointed and historical nature.

So who's up for creating a new forum?

I congratulate the Board for striking down the DERP Act as unconstitutional (remember, it wasn't a repeal, it was a strike-down). I will remove it from the list of laws.

The Right Party may be re-founded by anyone, and any fascist party may be founded by anyone.

I will be reviewing a series of measures to strengthen the separation of powers. Expect a new wave of constitutional reforms in the next few weeks that will strengthen the judiciary.

Yeah, we don't seem to have much of a judiciary. I like Amaricans idea of having a Supreme Court. But, instead of creating one, can't the Board do it?

Humpheria wrote:Yeah, we don't seem to have much of a judiciary. I like Amaricans idea of having a Supreme Court. But, instead of creating one, can't the Board do it?

I'd like to see a stronger separation of powers. My amendments have already separated the executive from the legislature, now it's time to separate the legislature from the judiciary.

Can we support those numbers? Do we have enough people to add another branch?

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Humpheria wrote:Can we support those numbers? Do we have enough people to add another branch?

Well, my idea initially would be for an independent Chief Justice, with perhaps two normal Justices alongside him. Or perhaps we could just pass on all constitutional challenges to the Founder.

Pevvania wrote:Well, my idea initially would be for an independent Chief Justice, with perhaps two normal Justices alongside him. Or perhaps we could just pass on all constitutional challenges to the Founder.

I'm not fond of the latter idea. Chief justice and two justices would be good, I don't like the idea of having 1 judge.

Fun fact: the income tax accounts for just under half of federal revenue, of which 92% is paid for by the top 20% of Americans. In Britain, 26% of government revenue comes from the income tax.

Well, for the time being, I don't see an issue with keeping constitution votes to the Board. So the decision doesn't stand on one person. But I would very much like to see some sort of court eventually. But I am also wary of adding too much to the government and making it too big. We don't want a reproduction of the US.

It's by no means an urgent issue, and I don't want to see an unnecessary expansion of government. But I think we should look into it at some point.

I'm debating with a friend now about the minimum wage. I've provided six or seven sources, the only thing he's given me is a bunch of emotional arguments and a link to a Bill Maher rant. He reckons that what low-skilled workers do is of equal value to the work of quantum physicists, which is why they should be paid more... XD

No joke, today in my government class we also discussed the government intruding into private contracts via force

I am taking AP government next year.

I'm doing government and politics at my college right now. It's a pretty decent course. Not much bias.

I've got a human relations class tonight. Not excited..lol

Well this may be a stretch, but it appears that I have lost the primary. I'm not too shocked honestly and I officially concede. Congrats to Pev and good luck in the up coming election my friend. It was actually very tough finding things to challenge you on so I condone your overall good job for the last few months. I don't take anything said about me personally and I hope the same can be said for Pev. Finally, let it be known that I officially endorse Pevvania for president.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Well this may be a stretch, but it appears that I have lost the primary. I'm not too shocked honestly and I officially concede. Congrats to Pev and good luck in the up coming election my friend. It was actually very tough finding things to challenge you on so I condone your overall good job for the last few months. I don't take anything said about me personally and I hope the same can be said for Pev. Finally, let it be known that I officially endorse Pevvania for president.

Thank you for the kind words, Grimes. No hard feelings. I hope the party can now unite behind a common cause to bring us to victory once more later in the month - for liberty, strength and republic!

Pomtonc wrote:Hello!

Welcome to Libertatem! :D We hope you enjoy your stay :)

Nice to be here!

Pomtonc wrote:Nice to be here!

Want to join a party? We have about five active parties, but you can create your own party at any time.

Pevvania wrote:Want to join a party? We have about five active parties, but you can create your own party at any time.

how?

Pomtonc wrote:how?

Take a look at the list of parties in this region's World Factbook Entry (at the top of the page), and then telegram the leader of the party letting them know you want to join it.

The results of people not knowing their rights are really starting to show in this area.

Man, I hate New York. Someone save me! Oh, wait, I'm someone.

Miencraft wrote:The results of people not knowing their rights are really starting to show in this area.

Man, I hate New York. Someone save me! Oh, wait, I'm someone.

New york? I'm really sorry man.. i have some friends in Plattsburgh with the same complaints.

Pomtonc wrote:Hello!

Welcome to Libertatem! If you have any questions please let me or one of these other fine folks know, we're always happy to help!

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