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I get told that my morals are wrong all the time.

The solution is to not give a damn, because everyone else is probably stupid.

And for what it's worth, so is organized religion, but that's another argument entirely.

Jambion wrote:I'm not trying to be offense or rude, but haven't you said this exact thing like five times since I've been here.

I needed to put it all down at once.

Just a compilation of my issue as I haven't stated it clearly enough in my opinion till now.

Miencraft wrote:I get told that my morals are wrong all the time.

The solution is to not give a damn, because everyone else is probably stupid.

And for what it's worth, so is organized religion, but that's another argument entirely.

So keep my current morals?

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:So keep my current morals?

Well, yeah. They're your way of thinking, nobody should be able to tell you that you're wrong in that regard.

Miencraft wrote:Well, yeah. They're your way of thinking, nobody should be able to tell you that you're wrong in that regard.

Okay.

From a recent post of mine on the general forums:

Obama has had very little to do with the reduction of the deficit. He oversaw an immediate increase in the deficit by hundreds of billions thanks to the stimulus package, and then saw a mild decrease from -$1.41 trillion (-10% of GDP) in 2009 to -1.26 trillion (-8.4% of GDP) in 2011, when the Republican Party made large gains in the Senate and took control of the House of Representatives. After that, Congress pushed measures such as the Budget Control Act and the sequester that have actually made serious reductions to the deficit: -$1.26 trillion in 2011 to -$602 billion in 2014; or -8.4% of GDP to -3.7%. And meanwhile the President turned to scaremongering about cataclysmic job losses in order to fight these measures. Obama didn't cut the deficit in half - the GOP did.

SOURCE: http://i.imgur.com/F3KgmCv.png

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Indeed. I don't like it; things should be active.

Board Members! Earlier I requested your opinions on the following:

And

Lack's proposed Amendment

I believe that all Board debates and votes should occur on the RMB, with a public log being kept in the WFE.

I oppose the BR Amendment. I view it as an unnecessary erosion of executive power and an expansion of government. The Founder takes a similar view.

Pevvania wrote:I believe that all Board debates and votes should occur on the RMB, with a public log being kept in the WFE.

I oppose the BR Amendment. I view it as an unnecessary erosion of executive power and an expansion of government. The Founder takes a similar view.

I do. Thank you Pev.

Okay, that's an important thing to note. Amar, RWN, Ankha, what do you guys think?

Liberosia wrote:I do. Thank you Pev.

No problem, boss.

So apparently it's been confirmed that we'll have another Halloween zombie event.

Is Libertatem ready to kick some zombies?

Pevvania wrote:I believe that all Board debates and votes should occur on the RMB, with a public log being kept in the WFE.

I'd like to second that and vote in favor accordingly.

Regarding the BR Amendment, I'll be voting in favor due to the recent growth in the number and diversity of allies. It will also provide some needed redundancy to our government, so that if a cabinet member is not available a deputy can take on some of the responsibility.

As I have in the past, and in other regions, prescribed, the Managerial (or Ministerial) positions are a function of the executive branch of the government and for various reasons, there should be very little legislative say in the choosing of these candidates. When I wrote the constitution, I included provisions for impeachment in the case that, if a member of the government was explicitly "bad", he or she could be removed from office. Whereas a Manager or any other executive should not have to face confirmation immediately from the legislative body, as this leaves little room for executive choice. The function of the Manager are to ASSIST the President in executing the laws of the region; it follows that the President should have final and ultimate say over who he/she chooses to help in the execution of administrative duties.

This does not eliminate Board oversight, it merely restricts them to their proper role, and creates a lawful principle that at once preserves justice and efficiency. I admit I have not been the most prominent supporter of many of the reforms made in this region, but I now believe it has helped smooth some of the edges of the corporate model. It is now essentially a merge between a traditional corporate system and a Republic, although I am extremely hesitant to see too much power given to the legislature given the nature of the executive office in this Region (i.e. the express identity of this region requires an authoritative, but rights respecting, President/Delegate.) Other efforts of mine on the issue of a balance of powers can be seen in my legislative activities in the old UCR with my favorite secondary nation, The Lone Star.

As an alternative to legislative expansion, I have, in theory and in practice, always placed my greatest faith on the Judicial Branch of a government. Herein lies the key to a free society, as many of you would indeed attest. I am pleased to see the progress that has been made in this area and the precedents set by the recent trial.

In short, people should be allowed to do their jobs, and the least amount of rules will ultimately yield a better result.

In my opinion.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:So apparently it's been confirmed that we'll have another Halloween zombie event.

Is Libertatem ready to kick some zombies?

I'm planning to continue my original strategy of: "If I'm going to die, I might as well take everyone else with me!" Personally, I'd like to welcome our new zombie overlords!

Funkytopia wrote:I'm planning to continue my original strategy of: "If I'm going to die, I might as well take everyone else with me!" Personally, I'd like to welcome our new zombie overlords!

What if we were to infect Das Kommune/North Korea with the infection?

Huehuheuheuheuhehu

Liberosia wrote:As I have in the past, and in other regions, prescribed, the Managerial (or Ministerial) positions are a function of the executive branch of the government and for various reasons, there should be very little legislative say in the choosing of these candidates. When I wrote the constitution, I included provisions for impeachment in the case that, if a member of the government was explicitly "bad", he or she could be removed from office. Whereas a Manager or any other executive should not have to face confirmation immediately from the legislative body, as this leaves little room for executive choice. The function of the Manager are to ASSIST the President in executing the laws of the region; it follows that the President should have final and ultimate say over who he/she chooses to help in the execution of administrative duties.

This does not eliminate Board oversight, it merely restricts them to their proper role, and creates a lawful principle that at once preserves justice and efficiency. I admit I have not been the most prominent supporter of many of the reforms made in this region, but I now believe it has helped smooth some of the edges of the corporate model. It is now essentially a merge between a traditional corporate system and a Republic, although I am extremely hesitant to see too much power given to the legislature given the nature of the executive office in this Region (i.e. the express identity of this region requires an authoritative, but rights respecting, President/Delegate.) Other efforts of mine on the issue of a balance of powers can be seen in my legislative activities in the old UCR with my favorite secondary nation, The Lone Star.

As an alternative to legislative expansion, I have, in theory and in practice, always placed my greatest faith on the Judicial Branch of a government. Herein lies the key to a free society, as many of you would indeed attest. I am pleased to see the progress that has been made in this area and the precedents set by the recent trial.

In short, people should be allowed to do their jobs, and the least amount of rules will ultimately yield a better result.

In my opinion.

Completely agree, Liberosia.

And by the way - I f--king LOVE your new flag.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What if we were to infect Das Kommune/North Korea with the infection?

Huehuheuheuheuhehu

You can't just re-infect zombies.

Liberosia wrote:...Whereas a Manager or any other executive should not have to face confirmation immediately from the legislative body, as this leaves little room for executive choice. The function of the Manager are to ASSIST the President in executing the laws of the region; it follows that the President should have final and ultimate say over who he/she chooses to help in the execution of administrative duties...

I actually agree with this argument. Requiring confirmation by the Board of all executive appointees is probably the weakest part of the amendment. As such, I would have no problem striking the following clause from the amendment:

"Section II

Subsection l

Henceforth any executive to be appointed by the president of Libertatem must attain a majority approval of the board in order to take the proposed office"

The amendment's chief benefit is that it enhances the executive branch's ability to conduct diplomacy, which is why I would like to see the bulk of the proposal passed. As our number of allies continues to grow and diversify, the foreign affairs manager is going to need deputies with constitutional authority to speak on behalf of our region.

Funkytopia wrote:I actually agree with this argument. Requiring confirmation by the Board of all executive appointees is probably the weakest part of the amendment. As such, I would have no problem striking the following clause from the amendment:

"Section II

Subsection l

Henceforth any executive to be appointed by the president of Libertatem must attain a majority approval of the board in order to take the proposed office"

The amendment's chief benefit is that it enhances the executive branch's ability to conduct diplomacy, which is why I would like to see the bulk of the proposal passed. As our number of allies continues to grow and diversify, the foreign affairs manager is going to need deputies with constitutional authority to speak on behalf of our region.

The part I'm particularly opposed to is Section IV. Giving every department a deputy would mean a significant expansion in public sector employment that's simply unsustainable for our region right now.

Can someone put a link to the amendment up?

Liberosia wrote:Can someone put a link to the amendment up?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=lack_there_of/detail=factbook/id=305782

BRA

Bureaucratic Restrictions Amendment

Section I

Purpose of the Act

Subsection I

Create managerial appointment protocols

Subsection ll

Redefine protocol for removing managers

Subsection lll

Creating deputy positions

Subsection lV

Establishing deputy appointment protocol

Subsection v

Establishing deputy removal protocol

Section II

Creating managerial appointment protocols

Subsection l

Henceforth any executive to be appointed by the president of Libertatem must attain a majority approval of the board in order to take the proposed office

Subsection ll

Any candidates for executive appointment must have regional citizenship in Libertatem at the time of their appointment

Section lll

Defining managerial removal protocols

Subsection l

Reaffirms the protocols for managerial impeachment outlined in Section ll, subsections ii and iii within the Constitution of Libertatem

Section lV

Creates Bureaucratic deputy positions

Subsection l

Each manager shall be given the authority to bestow the title of “Deputy Manager” on no more than two nations not already vested with an executive position

Subsection ll

Each deputy manager shall be vested with the duties and responsibilities given to them by their respective manager. These may include, but are not limited to recording details, helping to maintain diplomatic relations, providing military assistance to the region, ect.

Subsection lll

To be an eligible candidate for appointment to deputy manager a nation must have citizenship in Libertatem at time of appointment.

Subsection IV

Managers are required to keep a list of all active deputies in their department’s fact book entry

Section V

Creates Deputy Removal Protocols

Subsection l

A manager may dismiss their deputies at any time with the distinction between an honorable discharge and a dishonorable discharge

Subsection ll

The president, or founder shall also reserve the rights to dismiss deputies with the above mention constraints

Section I - As I have said, and I still recommend, protocol should largely be set by precedent and should function independently of legislation, as much as possible. Refer to my above argument regarding separate spheres of influence. Further, Deputies should be the sole responsibility of each Manager (at his or her discretion), using the same logic (i.e. the President and his or her Managers); this calibrates executive bureaucracy to be proportionate to need, rather than setting non-contextual rules outside of the knowable process.

Section II - I concur with subsection II but not with subsection I. While the second logically follows from our current laws, the "majority vote" is the essence of any opposition to this amendment. See my above argument regarding this.

Section III - Yes.

Section IV - This authority is already implicit in their prescribed powers outlined by the constitution, as well as precedents/the spirit of the the Region at large. Deputy Manager is an appropriate title and can be affirmed through a system of precedent; operating on the principle of "no legislation unless absolutely necessary", this most certainly is not absolutely necessary, and could even produce adverse effects. The power to allow a nation representation should be that of the Manager, and no one else. In this case, nations should be able to represent us abroad if they have permission from a Manager (who in turn has permission from the President, as the hierarchy follows.) Citizenship is implicit and logical. The requirement is rather inefficient, as not all diplomatic/regional enterprises should be public. There exists a strong incentive to publicize this information, and this strong incentive should be sufficiently malleable to adapt to the different tasks of the executive offices of our government.

Section V - I agree. However, this power is also implicitly existing in the status quo.

Pevvania wrote:The part I'm particularly opposed to is Section IV. Giving every department a deputy would mean a significant expansion in public sector employment that's simply unsustainable for our region right now.

"Each manager shall be given the authority to bestow the title of 'Deputy Manager' on no more than two nations not already vested with an executive position"

It doesn't necessarily mandate the creation of deputies. As I mentioned before, the amendment would give greater flexibility primarily to the State and War Departments, both of which already appoint diplomats, military officers, national security advisers... etc. The only difference is that the current appointments have little basis in constitutional law. By passing the BRA amendment, at least those appointed officials could be granted some legitimacy and genuine constitutional limitations would be placed on their authority.

Funkytopia wrote:"Each manager shall be given the authority to bestow the title of 'Deputy Manager' on no more than two nations not already vested with an executive position"

It doesn't necessarily mandate the creation of deputies. As I mentioned before, the amendment would give greater flexibility primarily to the State and War Departments, both of which already appoint diplomats, military officers, national security advisers... etc. The only difference is that the current appointments have little basis in constitutional law. By passing the BRA amendment, at least those appointed officials could be granted some legitimacy and genuine constitutional limitations would be placed on their authority.

To the extent that an amendment will be passed, the only appropriate contents thereof should be constitutional AFFIRMATION of a Manager's right to create sub-positions at his or her discretion, absent any requirement to do so. I believe this to be unnecessary, but if y'all really want it, sure, I approve.

Funkytopia wrote:"Each manager shall be given the authority to bestow the title of 'Deputy Manager' on no more than two nations not already vested with an executive position"

It doesn't necessarily mandate the creation of deputies. As I mentioned before, the amendment would give greater flexibility primarily to the State and War Departments, both of which already appoint diplomats, military officers, national security advisers... etc. The only difference is that the current appointments have little basis in constitutional law. By passing the BRA amendment, at least those appointed officials could be granted some legitimacy and genuine constitutional limitations would be placed on their authority.

That's a good point actually.

What do you guys think of this? http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2011/05/14/money-growth-does-not-cause-inflation/

Pevvania wrote:What do you guys think of this? http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2011/05/14/money-growth-does-not-cause-inflation/

Zimbabwe would like to have a word with them...

Pevvania wrote:What do you guys think of this? http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2011/05/14/money-growth-does-not-cause-inflation/

Read it, kind of ridiculous if you ask me. He questions our assumptions (which are correct and have often been correct in history), then muddles the definition of "money". Each definition gives rise to the phenomena we see today in financial markets. For example, T bonds and QE have greatly contributed to stock inflation, while hard currency has not been printed as much/capital has been greatly restricted by legislation, so prices on the consumer/small business level have been relatively constant. The key is to track where the money is going, that's where the inflation will be. Yeah, obviously an increase in the money supply will not give you an immediate, corresponding increase in the CPI: duh, but as empirical evidence and (dare I say it) Austrian economics has demonstrated, an increase in the money supply WILL cause an increase in prices if it is not off set by an increase in production.

I think I'm starting to lose faith in Austrian Economics methodology. Of course, I overwhelmingly agree with their philosophy and their conclusions. But I've found myself more reliant on empirical evidence and scientific data collection to convincingly push free-market ideas, which vindicate most Austrian perspectives anyway.

Pevvania wrote:I think I'm starting to lose faith in Austrian Economics methodology. Of course, I overwhelmingly agree with their philosophy and their conclusions. But I've found myself more reliant on empirical evidence and scientific data collection to convincingly push free-market ideas, which vindicate most Austrian perspectives anyway.

Not all Austrians are Mises. The current methodology is, rather than just strictly a priori reasoning, looking for data that fits logical theories. It is been the converse in many other economic schools of thought, where they derive principles based strictly off of data. This can often lead to error, which is why it is always wise to check empirical evidence with logic based on the fundamentals of human action. As I am sure you know, Rothbard did a lot of research on money and financial markets in history, to support his Austrian perspective.

Liberosia wrote:Not all Austrians are Mises. The current methodology is, rather than just strictly a priori reasoning, looking for data that fits logical theories. It is been the converse in many other economic schools of thought, where they derive principles based strictly off of data. This can often lead to error, which is why it is always wise to check empirical evidence with logic based on the fundamentals of human action. As I am sure you know, Rothbard did a lot of research on money and financial markets in history, to support his Austrian perspective.

True. I'd love to read Rothbard's nonideological works, such as his groundbreaking treatise on the Great Depression.

Speaking of Rothbard, for my uncle's birthday yesterday I gave him my copy of The Ethics of Liberty. Hopefully we'll win another convert in Canada once he's done with it.

And by the way, guys: I think we're missing a Manager of State.

Could never read Ethics. It was just...bleh

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Could never read Ethics. It was just...bleh

Seriously? I've struggled to get through books like Human Action and Atlas Shrugged, but Ethics was completely engaging all the way through.

Pevvania wrote:Seriously? I've struggled to get through books like Human Action and Atlas Shrugged, but Ethics was completely engaging all the way through.

I recommend reading Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal, for you, Pev

It's like Road to Serfdom in fiction.

Liberosia wrote:I recommend reading Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal, for you, Pev

I'll add it to my reading list. But I've got Nozick and the Being Classically Liberal guys to read through first.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Anthem o/

I LOVE Anthem. Great, uplifting story, and very well written.

Nozick is great. If anything, he'll reconvert you back to minarchism, Pev.

Pevvania wrote:And by the way - I f--king LOVE your new flag.

Miencraft: People f--king love his work.

Atlas Shrugged was the best book I've ever read.

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:Atlas Shrugged was the best book I've ever read.

What....

Liberosia wrote:What....

I think it's a great book... perhaps not entirely in the literary sense, but I certainly don't feel that the characters are bland or two dimensional as I've heard others say. The book captures the passion and experience of being an engineer/scientist beautifully. I also find it amusing that many so-called liberals criticize the sex scenes, which makes the book along with the philosophy one of the most daringly sex/kink-positive books of the era.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Nozick is great. If anything, he'll reconvert you back to minarchism, Pev.

You think I'm an ancap? :P

Pevvania wrote:You think I'm an ancap? :P

I thought you said you were...

unless you are secretly a Reaganist neocon?

I was looking at the Political Parties link, and they all look like the exact same thing with different names.

Jambion wrote:I was looking at the Political Parties link, and they all look like the exact same thing with different names.

Behold! Privatization!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I thought you said you were...

unless you are secretly a Reaganist neocon?

"Reaganist neocon"

"Libertarian socialist"

"Banana octopus"

No, I've never been a strict ancap. I am a strong philosophical anarchist, and am very open to the idea of anarcho-capitalism. I've often argued as an ancap on NSG. But I'd call myself a believer in some kind of a voluntary minarchy at some point down the road. I just call myself a plain old libertarian.

Liberosia wrote:What....

Apparently TTA is a libertarian now. Not sure what he'll be next week though.

Jambion wrote:I was looking at the Political Parties link, and they all look like the exact same thing with different names.

Pretty much. The only issue that the active parties disagree on is war policy, but even on that most of us share the same goals.

Jambion wrote:I was looking at the Political Parties link, and they all look like the exact same thing with different names.

Naturally, since the region is made up primarily by like-minded nations. Granted, you're welcome to start up any of the defunct parties or create one of your own, if you like once you gain citizenship.

If TTA had his citizenship, I'd encourage him to refound the Libertarian Socialist Party since I think we could use a bit more sporting competition!

Pevvania wrote:Pretty much. The only issue that the active parties disagree on is war policy, but even on that most of us share the same goals.

I want to join one, how do I do it?

Post self-deleted by Muh Roads.

Pevvania wrote:"Banana octopus"

Funkytopia wrote:Naturally, since the region is made up primarily by like-minded nations. Granted, you're welcome to start up any of the defunct parties or create one of your own, if you like once you gain citizenship.

If TTA had his citizenship, I'd encourage him to refound the Libertarian Socialist Party since I think we could use a bit more sporting competition!

I'm not...a socialist...

I've never been a true socialist. A communist yes. But not a socialist.

I SWEAR I'VE BEEN LIBERTARIAN SINCE LIKE...LAST YEAR.

Socially Libertarian at least.

I became economically libertarian since I discovered Centrism was wrong in June...

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:I'm not...a socialist...

I've never been a true socialist. A communist yes. But not a socialist.

I SWEAR I'VE BEEN LIBERTARIAN SINCE LIKE...LAST YEAR.

Communism is a type of socialism.

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:I'm not...a socialist...

I've never been a true socialist. A communist yes. But not a socialist.

I SWEAR I'VE BEEN LIBERTARIAN SINCE LIKE...LAST YEAR.

Ok. Create a Communist-Libertarian Party then! I mean, I won't agree with it and you'll probably lose a lot, but it would at least be something different.

Btw/ I like how you got defensive, like you'd get a backhand for a wrong answer! Haha!

Jambion wrote:I want to join one, how do I do it?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Communism is a type of socialism.

Extreme Socialism.

Funkytopia wrote:Ok. Create a Communist-Libertarian Party then! I mean, I won't agree with it and you'll probably lose a lot, but it would at least be something different.

Btw/ I like how you got defensive, like you'd get a backhand for a wrong answer! Haha!

If anything I'm going to create the Free-Agency Party or the DRP again.

I can't make a party I disagree with.

Pevvania wrote:"Reaganist neocon"

"Libertarian socialist"

"Banana octopus"

No, I've never been a strict ancap. I am a strong philosophical anarchist, and am very open to the idea of anarcho-capitalism. I've often argued as an ancap on NSG. But I'd call myself a believer in some kind of a voluntary minarchy at some point down the road. I just call myself a plain old libertarian.

Apparently TTA is a libertarian now. Not sure what he'll be next week though.

Nozick reconciles voluntaryism with minarchism. The voluntary state is another term for the (ultra)minimal state, or the state which only provides the courts, police, and military.

According to Nozick, a minimal state would arise out of anarchy, simply because everyone would relocate to it in order to gain maximum coverage for their value. Because other agencies wouldn't be able to effectively compete against the agency that provides the best physical coverage, they would most be absorbed into that agency.

This of course, is considering that the NAP isn't broken. These PDAs in order to secure their customer's security would have an incentive to strike prematurely at other competing PDAs and eliminate them militarily in order to gain their customers, something they would be best willing to risk because, it's not like their customers would join a weaker PDA that can't protect them, right?

Jambion wrote:

Just telegram the party's founder.

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:Extreme Socialism.

Still socialism. Just like anarcho-capitalism is extreme libertarianism.

So whats the cabinet look like now?

Northern Prussia wrote:So whats the cabinet look like now?

Same as it always was, except now Muh is both IA and VP.

Also goddamn Lack never took the Oath...

Northern Prussia wrote:So whats the cabinet look like now?

Mahogany

Milteria wrote:Lol

Oh no.

The Anarchic Femiqueercapi

The Liberty State wrote:Liberty vs. Democracy

Liberty.

I can't decide whether democracy is a good thing.

It seems to me things would be better under a Beuguosies Dictatorship.

The Liberty State wrote:Liberty vs. Democracy

In the long-term, you can't have one without the other. Without the accountability that elections provide, government inevitably becomes corrupt and tramples individual liberties in order to enrich the elite. Likewise, without the right to think, to express oneself freely, or to pursue your own happiness, there is no truly rational basis on which to choose one's leaders.

Funkytopia wrote:...Likewise, without the right to think, to express oneself freely, or to pursue your own happiness, there is no truly rational basis on which to choose one's leaders.

And then you end up voting for a sourpuss like [nation=The Defender Alliance]. ;-)

The Human-Equine Alliance wrote:Oh no.

The Anarchic Femiqueercapi

Oh no.

A my little pony fan.

Milteria wrote:Oh no.

A my little pony fan.

Touche

Miencraft wrote:Same as it always was, except now Muh is both IA and VP.

Also goddamn Lack never took the Oath...

I leave for one F**king weekend and the whole region goes upside down inside out. The president leaves out the freaking blue, 10 minutes after i sign off. We finally tag DK. The NK condemnation is going swimmingly. My amendment goes to debate with out me being here. And worst of all Lib is flying some new fangled flag. What is even happening any more?

Not to mention the nineteen tgs to wade through that are more or less irrelevant because of how quickly these developments arose. Where is this kind of turmoil when im online?

Lack There Of wrote:I leave for one F**king weekend and the whole region goes upside down inside out. The president leaves out the freaking blue, 10 minutes after i sign off. We finally tag DK. The NK condemnation is going swimmingly. My amendment goes to debate with out me being here. And worst of all Lib is flying some new fangled flag. What is even happening any more?

How dare you.

This is the flag I've always had.

If you say otherwise you're a racist.

Lack There Of wrote:I leave for one F**king weekend and the whole region goes upside down inside out. The president leaves out the freaking blue, 10 minutes after i sign off. We finally tag DK. The NK condemnation is going swimmingly. My amendment goes to debate with out me being here. And worst of all Lib is flying some new fangled flag. What is even happening any more?

Also, first non-RLP majority on the board in recorded history.

Lack There Of wrote:Not to mention the nineteen tgs to wade through that are more or less irrelevant because of how quickly these developments arose. Where is this kind of turmoil when im online?

We wait til you log off. We're jerks, really.

Liberosia wrote:How dare you.

This is the flag I've always had.

If you say otherwise you're a racist.

he got me, I'm just a hater by nature.

Muh Roads wrote:We wait til you log off. We're jerks, really.

I know, that's why i always come back

Lack There Of wrote:Not to mention the nineteen tgs to wade through that are more or less irrelevant because of how quickly these developments arose. Where is this kind of turmoil when im online?

Did that flag I sent you get lost in those 19 telegrams, by the way?

Oh, and take the damn oath.

One daaaay I can have citizenship.

-to tune of somewhere over the rainbow -

While I have not waded through the mass of back logged RMB chatter I would like to adress any concerns there may be with the BRA as it currently stands.

When authoring this bill I had three (3) objectives in mind:

1)create a public and official list of active diplomats who speak on behalf of the region in an official capacity. For anyone who forgets, this spring we had a bit of an issue with an unidentified puppet(s) going around to various regions allegedly acting on our behalf causing a of international issues due to the then sitting manager of state being absent from his computer for longer than expected. With out his direct communication it could not be confirmed whether or not these communications the puppets were releasing were accurate or not. In order to stop such occurrences from occurring in the future an open and legitimate list of deputies must be made.

2)limiting the number of deputies that managers could appoint. I thought this one would be pretty agreeable to a region devoted to limited government. As it stands currently deputies are merely an informal creations of managers and, in thought, become a ridiculously large bureaucratic body. There are no checks on the mangers ability to create deputy positions, and I believe a limit of two provides a balance between meeting the strenuous needs of challenging times and the desire for a reasonable size of the regional government.

3) To further check the executive power. I realized this would come under fire when it was written, but as recent events have shown a new check must be placed. Under the last administration, God rest his soul, a certain nation (who shall remain nameless) was appointed to a rather important position who was by no means truly capable of functioning in a professional environment. While the nation in question did not commit any actions that would have really be justifiable for impeachment, if the initial appointment had some type of over sight the situation may have been avoided in the first place.

Miencraft wrote:Oh, and take the damn oath.

where is that, btw

Miencraft wrote:Did that flag I sent you get lost in those 19 telegrams, by the way?

yeah. thanks for the update

I have joined the ACOP.

Would you change the goddam news already mien. That is old news :p

The Amarican Empire wrote:Would you change the goddam news already mien. That is old news :p

I would ask you to watch it with sinful language. Pretty please?

Goddammit your right jambion.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Goddammit your right jambion.

._.

Tomarrow is the first humpy day an unofficial holiday to remember hump.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Tomarrow is the first humpy day an unofficial holiday to remember hump.

I don't see the point in idolizing him. I mean, I never met him, but he quit. That doesn't sound like it should be celebrated or remembered.

I, Lack There Of, do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office, so help me God.

Jambion wrote:I don't see the point in idolizing him. I mean, I never met him, but he quit. That doesn't sound like it should be celebrated or remembered.

He contributed quite a lot of time to the governance of Libertatem. In addition to President and Vice-President, he served admirably as Board Chair. Not to mention, he was well liked by the community here.

Funkytopia wrote:He contributed quite a lot of time to the governance of Libertatem. In addition to President and Vice-President, he served admirably as Board Chair. Not to mention, he was well liked by the community here.

But, he still quit. Right? He could have been a bit more honorable about it.

How could he have been more honourable?

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The Amarican Empire wrote:How could he have been more honourable?

At the risk of sounding rude, he could have stuck around or at least given more notice. But I don't know the whole story, so I can't really talk. I just don't think someone who abandoned you should be honored.

Besides bump probably had a good reason to do what he did.

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