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Another victory for the glorious People's Red Army!

The PRA has delivered a devastating strike to Reato imperialists, and Zionist cultists of The Communist Bloc, bombarding 2 enemy strongholds in a single update session! The Peacezone and Yerfilag both suffered from our brilliant military assaults.

For their participation in today's Operation Wild Horse, the following comrades were promoted in rank:

Urzistan

from: Corporal

to: Sergeant

(his 14th successful operation)

Dalos

from: Private

to: Corporal

(his 7th successful operation)

Willie

from: Private

to: Corporal

(his 8th successful operation)

Now a detailed analysis of the PRA's performance today:

First Target: Yerfilag

Description: REATO member, embassy with Libertatem, possibly participant in the CAPS campaign

Field Report:

Entrance: 7:01:45

Update Time: 7:02:47

Point-Man: Lipno (as Lipno Worker Militia)

Endorsers:

Urzistan

Willie

Dalos

Outcome: region successfully captured, WFE changed, embassies closed, etc.

Half an hour after initial strike, the founder comes online and ejects invader forces, WA delegacy is set as non-executive

Second Target: The Peacezone

Description: As the name implies, The Peacezone was a peaceful region and a home to a friendly community until it was invaded by Zenya's private army yesterday for reasons still unknown to us. Discovering that tremendous atrocities were being inflicted upon the native population by TCB occupants, General Lipno decided that immediate action must be taken and coordinated a liberation. The PRA 3rd Zizka's Tank Division brought peace and liberty back to The Peacezone.

Field Report:

Entrance: 7:43:42

Update Time: 7:44:28

Point-Man: Lipno (as Guevarist Guerilla)

Endorsers:

Urzistan

Willie

Dalos

Outcome: region captured and freed from foreign oppression

Tonight's mission was a success!

Now a message to the NationStates political right (that includes GGR, Libertatem and Zenya's traitorous rats): If you dare to one more time emerge from your underground caves to harm our allies, you can expect more than just an irrelevant tag-raid.

CAPS 2014- we shall never forget

Signed,

Minister of Defence Lipno

Lipno wrote:Another victory for the glorious People's Red Army!

The PRA has delivered a devastating strike to Reato imperialists, and Zionist cultists of The Communist Bloc, bombarding 2 enemy strongholds in a single update session! The Peacezone and Yerfilag both suffered from our brilliant military assaults.

For their participation in today's Operation Wild Horse, the following comrades were promoted in rank:

Urzistan

from: Corporal

to: Sergeant

(his 14th successful operation)

Dalos

from: Private

to: Corporal

(his 7th successful operation)

Willie

from: Private

to: Corporal

(his 8th successful operation)

Now a detailed analysis of the PRA's performance today:

First Target: Yerfilag

Description: REATO member, embassy with Libertatem, possibly participant in the CAPS campaign

Field Report:

Entrance: 7:01:45

Update Time: 7:02:47

Point-Man: Lipno (as Lipno Worker Militia)

Endorsers:

Urzistan

Willie

Dalos

Outcome: region successfully captured, WFE changed, embassies closed, etc.

Half an hour after initial strike, the founder comes online and ejects invader forces, WA delegacy is set as non-executive

Second Target: The Peacezone

Description: As the name implies, The Peacezone was a peaceful region and a home to a friendly community until it was invaded by Zenya's private army yesterday for reasons still unknown to us. Discovering that tremendous atrocities were being inflicted upon the native population by TCB occupants, General Lipno decided that immediate action must be taken and coordinated a liberation. The PRA 3rd Zizka's Tank Division brought peace and liberty back to The Peacezone.

Field Report:

Entrance: 7:43:42

Update Time: 7:44:28

Point-Man: Lipno (as Guevarist Guerilla)

Endorsers:

Urzistan

Willie

Dalos

Outcome: region captured and freed from foreign oppression

Tonight's mission was a success!

Now a message to the NationStates political right (that includes GGR, Libertatem and Zenya's traitorous rats): If you dare to one more time emerge from your underground caves to harm our allies, you can expect more than just an irrelevant tag-raid.

CAPS 2014- we shall never forget

Signed,

Minister of Defence Lipno

Didn't know anyone else was on at 2:30 AM

Devastating? I had forgotten those regions even existed.

Pevvania wrote:So in other words, individuals require the permission of the majority to rule their own lives? This logic has been used countless times to justify atrocities.

"If you don't like slavery, then get the majority of people to change it!

"If votes for women is such a great idea, then why do most people not want it?"

"Want to get an abortion? Get the politicians to make it legal then! Nothing is stopping you!"

It is extremely immoral to give "the collective" more power over individuals than themselves. History has shown that the collective is often stupid, irrational and acts based on contemporary social and cultural beliefs. The collective cannot be trusted to govern people better than themselves.

All of the above were changed through the democratic process, and society's approval of the progress by and large lagged behind the law. Racism was still blatantly present long after African Americans were equal in the eyes of the law (de jure), and people still wished to uphold slavery for a good long while after that was made illegal too.

Women are still under threat from sexism despite being equal under law.

The law, as laid out through democratic process, is often far more egalitarian and moral than society.

Pevvania wrote:Here's the truth about poverty: http://being-classical-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/poverty.html

Poverty is often a result of uncontrollable economic factors. Minimum wage laws, recessions, bad education policies, etc. But there are choices that we can all make to avoid poverty. The poverty rate for full-time workers in the US is 3%, and 16% for part-time workers. So any kind of job is a useful tool for avoiding poverty. Not to say that this is easy. I have been very poor before, and finding a job I'm stagant economic conditions can be very difficult. But there's an even easier way to stay out of poverty: graduate high school. According to US Census data, the median annual individual income for a person who hasn't completed an education past the 9th grade was $17,422. High school dropout's median pay was $20,321 per year and a High School graduate's median pay was $26,505 per year.

Getting married, or simply waiting to get married before having kids, is also a very good way to keep out of lower income brackets.

I think the first sentence neglected also to mention the social factors prevalent in poverty: drug/alcohol abuse, split families and criminal activities are all far more prevalent in low income families than high income.

Point is: its not always someone's "choice" to leave high school early. When your family lacks income, and, lets say, you're the oldest sibling of 3 or 4, leaving high school to go work for minimum wage (or worse, in crime) is sometimes a necessity, not a choice. This is, of course, not universal, but time and time again social and economic pressures are to blame - not a person's mettle or lack of hard work - for poverty.

Pevvania wrote:So in other words, individuals require the permission of the majority to rule their own lives? This logic has been used countless times to justify atrocities.

More often than not it's when one person has all the power over society, rather than society having control over itself that has caused atrocities.

Lets keep in mind it's been exceedingly rare for stable, fair democracies to declare war on each other or commit atrocities (unless you include, as you might, taxation ;) :P)

Pevvania wrote:It is extremely immoral to give "the collective" more power over individuals than themselves. History has shown that the collective is often stupid, irrational and acts based on contemporary social and cultural beliefs. The collective cannot be trusted to govern people better than themselves.

The collective is comprised of individuals. The stupidity and irrationality comes [B]directly[/B] from the individuals you laud so highly! It is foolish to think of humans as intelligent or rational - and a mistake far too many economists make(!) (see: Rational Humans, aka 'Homo Economicus'). You think the atrocity that is ISIL could've come about without a group of individuals voluntarily deciding to band together to form the barbaric hegemony it is today? People adore adhering to groups voluntarily, especially when those groups put their own interests above others, and have the firepower to enforce it.

And what did the fascist raids do in the end? Nothing at all. We can just cancel embassy closures and erase the wfe.

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Kanatistan wrote:Also fascism is slightly left-wing.

Depends on the form...

It can be Left Wing, but it normally ends up being Right/Far-Right or Radical Centrist Wing

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Lipno wrote:-snip-

Congratulations on some sub-par raiding on two relatively unknown and distant regions.

I also sincerely hope that your comrades that have been promoted enjoy their ranks. I'll pray for their mental stability and to give them strength to continue fighting for..... you people.

Have a great day!

I fail to see how invading Yerfilag was a success. The occupation was a half hour long before I got on and fixed that problem.

South Otselic wrote:I fail to see how invading Yerfilag was a success. The occupation was a half hour long before I got on and fixed that problem.

As long as they get to wave their red flags and beat on their chests for just one day...

Kanatistan wrote:Mussolini, in My idea was left wing, and hitler was half.

No Mussolini was a Radical Centrist.

Hitler would've been Radical Centrist or Faf-Right

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Humpheria wrote:Wert?

Chop one head off, two more grow in its place.

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Kanatistan wrote:Depends on how you look at it. Read liberal fascism

Too poor.

I'm going what Mussolini said. "A break off from Left and Right policies"

Economically speaking, Mussolini was a leftist, a kind of Chavez like.

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Most scientifically advanced and most godforsaken in Libertatem! Ha!

Political Spectrum=/=Only economics.

Libertarianism has been philosophically disproven guys. It's over.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Libertarianism has been philosophically disproven guys. It's over.

Ah well. It was fun while it lasted. Better start using roads again, I guess.

The State Of Deseret wrote:...I told y'all so.

Ain't nobody tellin' nobody nuttin' till ain't nobody gettin' no sauce.

Hey guys, I announce my candidacy a little early this month. I will run under the RLP this time. The ACOP is alright, but I think that after trying both I will stick with the RLP. I feel that I may have been influenced by the sudden popularity if the ACOP. But I know that the RLP isn't a fad, it's true through the test of time! Have a good day all!

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Hey guys, I announce my candidacy a little early this month. I will run under the RLP this time. The ACOP is alright, but I think that after trying both I will stick with the RLP. I feel that I may have been influenced by the sudden popularity if the ACOP. But I know that the RLP isn't a fad, it's true through the test of time! Have a good day all!

No such thing as "Early" in the Pevvania Day, Christmas, and etc. holiday month.

Other Board guys, please do the thing.

Candidacy for what ? Presidency ?

Speaking about RLP, ACOP and stuff, I still don't see the UMR description *sigh*

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Candidacy for what ? Presidency ?

Board.

Oh ok. It's very early indeed.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Oh ok. It's very early indeed.

Miencraft wrote:No such thing as "Early" in the Pevvania Day, Christmas, and etc. holiday month.

Other Board guys, please do the thing.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Speaking about RLP, ACOP and stuff, I still don't see the UMR description *sigh*

Bug Pev.

Incessantly.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Oh ok. It's very early indeed.

But the government will be shutting down soon

Miencraft wrote:Bug Pev.

Incessantly.

Lol. That's how he works ? :D

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Lol. That's how he works ? :D

I'm his boss, so yeah kinda.

Pevvania wrote:Ah well. It was fun while it lasted. Better start using roads again, I guess.

Roads can still be privatized. Economics can still be supported consequentially.

The state on the other hand, is a necessity. It is the driving force of capitalism, and it's only duty is to uphold capitalism. Why keep wishing liberty when it'll always rebound or turn out horribly wrong? Either the problems collapse themselves or we find ourselves at square one again, and history is telling me the latter is more likely.

So your opinions on Eric Garner?

The State Of Deseret wrote:So your opinions on Eric Garner?

He deserved it.

Okay, don't get me wrong I am the most pro police guy you will ever find... but did the cops have nothing better to do than arrest a guy for selling loose cigarettes?

Personnaly, I like the Rand Paul response to this event.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Personnaly, I like the Rand Paul response to this event.

I actually did not get to see it, what was it?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/rand-paul-eric-garner-taxes/

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/rand-paul-eric-garner-taxes/

I agree with Rand. I hope he runs

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Okay, don't get me wrong I am the most pro police guy you will ever find... but did the cops have nothing better to do than arrest a guy for selling loose cigarettes?

Several store owners in the area said that he was causing a disturbance, plus it's kind of not legal to sell individual cigarettes.

Miencraft wrote:Several store owners in the area said that he was causing a disturbance, plus it's kind of not legal to sell individual cigarettes.

Here is the thing... that is a $250 dollar fine, and the guy ended up dead. Now reports said he resisted authorities, and that is his fault. I just don't think that "loose cigarettes" should have ended in this.

In the interest of the region over myself, I believe that a divided ticket that may deter President Miencraft from reelection would be detrimental to the region. Thus, I withdraw my candidacy for the Presidency and urge all of my vast numbers of supporters to support President Miencraft, the best candidate in the race.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Here is the thing... that is a $250 dollar fine, and the guy ended up dead. Now reports said he resisted authorities, and that is his fault. I just don't think that "loose cigarettes" should have ended in this.

I just strongly resent the fact that people hate cops because of what 2 of the tens of thousands do.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Here is the thing... that is a $250 dollar fine, and the guy ended up dead. Now reports said he resisted authorities, and that is his fault. I just don't think that "loose cigarettes" should have ended in this.

It shouldn't have, and normally it doesn't. This isn't even anything more than a misdemeanor, and out of the thousands of misdemeanor arrests, none of them end like this. It's a freak incident, and I don't necessarily agree with the fact that nobody's being held responsible, but the jury's decided that nobody's criminally responsible and I respect that. Now all these other idiots need to realize that and we'll be all set.

Humpheria wrote:In the interest of the region over myself, I believe that a divided ticket that may deter President Miencraft from reelection would be detrimental to the region. Thus, I withdraw my candidacy for the Presidency and urge all of my vast numbers of supporters to support President Miencraft, the best candidate in the race.

Well isn't that a plot twist.

Ankha wrote:I just strongly resent the fact that people hate cops because of what 2 of the tens of thousands do.

Ankha, I don't hate cops, I am the most pro cop person you will find. It is just unfortunate what happened

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Ankha, I don't hate cops, I am the most pro cop person you will find. It is just unfortunate what happened

Nonononono....wasnt referring to you. I was referring to most of my state. #GOPNewYork

Ankha wrote:Nonononono....wasnt referring to you. I was referring to most of my state. #GOPNewYork

You want to come with me to NH?

Miencraft wrote:You want to come with me to NH?

Gladly.....save on gas money. :P

Ankha wrote:Gladly.....save on gas money. :P

New Hampshire is more Liberal than New York, hate New Hampshire

Right-Winged Nation wrote:New Hampshire is more Liberal than New York, hate New Hampshire

No its not, but yes I was kidding.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:New Hampshire is more Liberal than New York, hate New Hampshire

The only state more lefty than NY is California. Trust me, I live in NY.

Ankha wrote:No its not, but yes I was kidding.

I Actually think NY is a bit more Conservative, It includes the Northern most extent of Appalachia. But NY also has huge cities and large minority populations, which make it more liberal. New Hampshire conservatives seem to be much more moderate than the more right wing Southwestern NYers. Its sorta like Illinois and Pennsylvania, made liberal by large cities, but fairly conservative everywhere else.

Miencraft wrote:The only state more lefty than NY is California. Trust me, I live in NY.

Massachusetts has traditionally been considered the most Liberal, though its probably beating NY in liberalness, weather it is truly the most liberal may be debatable.

Arlenton wrote:I Actually think NY is a bit more Conservative, It includes the Northern most extent of Appalachia. But NY also has huge cities and large minority populations, which make it more liberal. New Hampshire conservatives seem to be much more moderate than the more right wing Southwestern NYers. Its sorta like Illinois and Pennsylvania, made liberal by large cities, but fairly conservative everywhere else.

I live north of Albany, and the politics are pretty conservative. There are tons of "Repeal the S.A.F.E. act" signs everywhere.

Shermaniya wrote:I live north of Albany, and the politics are pretty conservative. There are tons of "Repeal the S.A.F.E. act" signs everywhere.

I live near Chicago and its pretty conservative where I live, but like 3ish hours East and I feel like im in some sort of Soviet France.

I live in North Dakota. I've never actually met a liberal...

Jordsindia wrote:I live in North Dakota. I've never actually met a liberal...

XD

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Hey guys, I announce my candidacy a little early this month. I will run under the RLP this time. The ACOP is alright, but I think that after trying both I will stick with the RLP. I feel that I may have been influenced by the sudden popularity if the ACOP. But I know that the RLP isn't a fad, it's true through the test of time! Have a good day all!

Ah, alright. Thanks for giving us a chance!

I'd also like to point out that ACOP is one of the longest-lasting active parties in Libertatem's history (if my memory serves, its continued longevity is second only to your RLP). I assure you that it is no fad.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Ah, alright. Thanks for giving us a chance!

I'd also like to point out that ACOP is one of the longest-lasting active parties in Libertatem's history (if my memory serves, its continued longevity is second only to your RLP). I assure you that it is no fad.

Don't be so mad, CI. I'm sure he did not mean to piss you off.

Me: [At work. Hear two very well dressed men leaving the store with their groceries]

Guy 1: Ya know, Hitler wasn't all that bad. Yeah, he did that stuff to the Jews, but his policies were great. His use of propaganda to maintain control was impeccable.

Guy 2: I agree, I think that the West's portrayal of his term has disposed all of us to hate him. The media has made his name synonymous with evil.

I would have responded had I not been so busy stabbing my ears with a dull spoon.

Jordsindia wrote:I live in North Dakota. I've never actually met a liberal...

I live in Dallas, Texas. The whole area is pretty conservative, except for the inner city of Dallas.

Humpheria wrote:Don't be so mad, CI. I'm sure he did not mean to piss you off.

Er, okay - I'm sure he didn't mean that either, considering he hasn't. I'm not mad, just a mix of confused and amused.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:I live in Dallas, Texas. The whole area is pretty conservative, except for the inner city of Dallas.

Leftists Texans actually exist ? I thought it was a legend.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Leftists Texans actually exist ? I thought it was a legend.

More common than you might think, unfortunately. Doesn't make me want to move there any less, though.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Leftists Texans actually exist ? I thought it was a legend.

Go into the sprawling metal forests of the cities and they might be seen huffing polluted air. ;P

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Roads can still be privatized. Economics can still be supported consequentially.

The state on the other hand, is a necessity. It is the driving force of capitalism, and it's only duty is to uphold capitalism. Why keep wishing liberty when it'll always rebound or turn out horribly wrong? Either the problems collapse themselves or we find ourselves at square one again, and history is telling me the latter is more likely.

What are you talking about? Roads can only be constructed by the government. Everyone knows that.

That's a Marxist argument, and it's wrong. I've said repeatedly on the forums that individuals, private property and voluntary exchange have always existed independently of the state. The best demonstration of this is the post-feudalist Crisis of the 13th Century, when capitalism actually began to develop as a reaction to statism. All government does is leach off of the productive forces of society. It doesn't actually contribute to them.

Humpheria wrote:Me: [At work. Hear two very well dressed men leaving the store with their groceries]

Guy 1: Ya know, Hitler wasn't all that bad. Yeah, he did that stuff to the Jews, but his policies were great. His use of propaganda to maintain control was impeccable.

Guy 2: I agree, I think that the West's portrayal of his term has disposed all of us to hate him. The media has made his name synonymous with evil.

I would have responded had I not been so busy stabbing my ears with a dull spoon.

It's ridiculous how often I've heard this. I'd be rich if I had a dollar for every high school teacher that said "Hitler would've been pretty good if it wasn't for the Holocaust." There's this myth going around that he somehow resuscitated the economy. If giving millions of people useless jobs in the military-industrial complex, causing multiple market crashes and plunging the country into debt is good economic policy, then maybe they have a point.

Pevvania wrote:What are you talking about? Roads can only be constructed by the government. Everyone knows that.

That's a Marxist argument, and it's wrong. I've said repeatedly on the forums that individuals, private property and voluntary exchange have always existed independently of the state. The best demonstration of this is the post-feudalist Crisis of the 13th Century, when capitalism actually began to develop as a reaction to statism. All government does is leach off of the productive forces of society. It doesn't actually contribute to them.

1. We agree? We? Agree?

2.Government doesn't help Capitalism. The point of government is security and Protection. To do this job the government has to infringe and impose some laws on bussiness because there is plenty of situations in which business could exploit workers or consumers, or workers could exploit the employer or another employer could exploit another employer. That is why thete must be a few laws. Maybe an environmental law or two, but nothing decreasing production.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Roads can still be privatized. Economics can still be supported consequentially.

The state on the other hand, is a necessity. It is the driving force of capitalism, and it's only duty is to uphold capitalism. Why keep wishing liberty when it'll always rebound or turn out horribly wrong? Either the problems collapse themselves or we find ourselves at square one again, and history is telling me the latter is more likely.

1. No roads can't. Not at all. The Government is perfectly capable of fairly making roads.

2. You are wrong. A governments only actions in a capitalist economy is to set regulations. They need some bussiness regulations to as I stated above. Protection of all levels of capitalism.

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Pevvania wrote:It's ridiculous how often I've heard this. I'd be rich if I had a dollar for every high school teacher that said "Hitler would've been pretty good if it wasn't for the Holocaust." There's this myth going around that he somehow resuscitated the economy. If giving millions of people useless jobs in the military-industrial complex, causing multiple market crashes and plunging the country into debt is good economic policy, then maybe they have a point.

I've somehow had the fortune of never running into anyone like this. Plenty of the people I know will say that he was okay in the military department (up until Russia, of course) but he screwed up everything else, but that's about it.

Amazing, too, this is Long Island, home of the idiots.

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Miencraft wrote:I've somehow had the fortune of never running into anyone like this. Plenty of the people I know will say that he was okay in the military department (up until Russia, of course) but he screwed up everything else, but that's about it.

Amazing, too, this is Long Island, home of the idiots.

Thing is, he wasn't a good military strategist either. All he had going for him was charisma and a desperate country comprising his platform.

What Hitler, had done for the nation was phenomenal. He boosted the moral of his people, built the first national highway system, expanded railways, improved air travel. He also increased agricultural and industrial output to levels never imagined. The military was strong, and the people were (those accepted in society) happy without a doubt. The argument that he put the nation in debt made him a bad leader is a terrible argument. When he came to . power, people were wheelbarrowing money to buy a loaf of bread, many were unemployed and had no chance of future. The work he and his government accomplished, put Germany on the world stage economically, culturally, and militarily. Regardless of the debt, the the debt would have been paid off, since his investments would only improve the economy.

To increase any business output and profit, one must invest in the technology and infrastructure to provide this. I dont understand why it should be any different if the government is willing to assist.

Northern Prussia wrote:What Hitler, had done for the nation was phenomenal. He boosted the moral of his people, built the first national highway system, expanded railways, improved air travel. He also increased agricultural and industrial output to levels never imagined. The military was strong, and the people were (those accepted in society) happy without a doubt. The argument that he put the nation in debt made him a bad leader is a terrible argument. When he came to . power, people were wheelbarrowing money to buy a loaf of bread, many were unemployed and had no chance of future. The work he and his government accomplished, put Germany on the world stage economically, culturally, and militarily. Regardless of the debt, the the debt would have been paid off, since his investments would only improve the economy.

And he did this by taking jobs away from the Jewish and killing off the population of German jews.

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Kanatistan wrote:Not entirely. He used human labour instead of machinery so more people would have jobs.

And took jobs away from Jews, took their possessions, took their homes, and murdered them.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:And took jobs away from Jews, took their possessions, took their homes, and murdered them.

Don't forget people of races he deemed "inferior". A few million of them died too.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Don't forget people of races he deemed "inferior". A few million of them died too.

Oh thanks, he also killed cripples and homosexuals and Catholics...etc

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Kanatistan wrote:And not a good military strategist.

Tried to invade Russia during Winter and failed like his buddy Napoleon.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:And took jobs away from Jews, took their possessions, took their homes, and murdered them.

25 Million Soviets dead

15 Million Chinese dead

8 Million Polish dead

7 Million Jews dead

The Jews may have been brutally murdered, but more survived than civilian and military populations of the larger countries.

Except that jews, like gypsies, homosexuals, or crippled people were exterminated because of what they were, this was a real genocide, while civilians from Russia or Poland died in the bombings, there has never been a extermination plan for them.

Shermaniya wrote:25 Million Soviets dead

15 Million Chinese dead

8 Million Polish dead

7 Million Jews dead

The Jews may have been brutally murdered, but more survived than civilian and military populations of the larger countries.

However, in terms of "Boosting Germany's Economy" Hitler did it by killing Jews and taking away their businesses and homes and possessions. He also got rid of anyone in Germany of "inferior race" or people who try to stand up to him

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