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Region: Libertatem
Why bother making statements and accusations that everyone here knows are falsehoods? To prop up your inferiority complex, I assume?
I claimed that UCR was an enemy, not AAA. The AAA was an "an"-com region that had embassies with us. In a saner time it was a member of REATO, membership of which it withdrew back in December 2014. It has not had military ties to us since then.
Why should we listen to a denialist like you, who makes rejecting inconvenient truths in face of overwhelming evidence look easy? You're in dire need of a course in arithmetic if you genuinely believe that The Communist Bloc was even instrumental in the CAPS raid. According to grade-school mathematics, fewer than 10 out of 50+ does not equal a majority. And in this case, they did not even make up a plurality. Libertatem gave the most endorsers, and REATO as a whole provided just over half, which demolishes the idea that the operation would have failed without The Communist Bloc's support. You also denied, and presumably continue to deny, that we acquired the password, blindly and without evidence asserting that Zenny acquired it, which doesn't add up anyway since she had not taken an interest into CAPS before the reaction to the Das Kommune raid. It was I who acquired the password, and it was none other than the delegate of The Internationale, [nation=short]Proletaire[/nation]/[nation=short]Teksi[/nation], who gave it to me: http://i.imgur.com/sCm3pgi.png
And it was V Ming's one-time protégé "[nation=short]Comrade Mark[/nation]" who helped me get it: http://i.imgur.com/2BYVd65.png
I was even included in the abortive liberation attempt Teksi organized: http://i.imgur.com/b6I7v3L.png
You see, this was a Libertatem-led operation from the get-go. The Communist Bloc helped out, and their contribution was both significant and welcome, and we'll always be thankful for it. But ultimately they provided fewer than a fifth of the endorsers at the operation's height of circa 55/56 soldiers. But this is yet another inconvenient truth that challenges your "freedom is slavery, war is peace" doublethink ideals, so I wouldn't expect you to cease repeating such a tired old lie.
Okay, let's talk about not giving a damn about friends. About how The Internationale refused to assist the attempted liberation of CAPS, or didn't bother to watch International Socialists while it got sucked down the drain, or The Republics of Cuba and the Caribbean. We've done what we can wherever we can. We support our allies, confront our enemies and laugh when idiots like you end up taking out one of our foes.
I already destroyed the baseless case that CAPS is the only significant victory:
These are all just some of the significant territorial gains we've had. What about you? Yerfilag, Aedorin and Libertarians - dead regions that fell into your hands like ripe fruit. No effort whatsoever was put into taking these aside from a few button-clicks.
Yeah, that's right, you've made fewer gains than a skinny white kid on a diet of chips and coke.
Miencraft, Kings Island, Republic Of Minerva, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism
My God, he's come back! Awesome. We need to bring him back to Libertatem.
Opening relations with Cuba and the deal with Iran are also significant achievements for peace, despite his overall poor record on foreign policy. It's hard to say whether Obama has been better for liberty than Bush, because he's not only extended everything started by the Republicans in the 2000s, but he also strengthened the presidency enormously, making several unconstitutional executive decisions on appointments, on healthcare and on war. Of course, he's lost almost all his political capital as a result, but he is creating a precedent that will give future presidents the power to change the law with the stroke of a pen. So I think it will be a while before libertarians know the true consequences of his presidency.
But is he though? He ran basically as a libertarian-lite in 2008, promising an end to the wars, overreach of executive power and erosion of civil liberties along with spending restraint, deficit reduction and improved efficiency in government. Not one of these promises has been delivered on, with spending restraint and deficit reduction being achieved by Congress. Blowing up the deficit and spending billions on roads to nowhere in his first year in office put a permanent black mark on his record. All spending cuts came from Congress, much to his dismay - Obama's budget proposals outspent Congress every single year.
But anyway, his entire presidential career has been one big flip-flop. Either he's a liar, or he's got comfortable being a part of the establishment. If he does have principles, I can't see them.
Rateria
I love Cuba
Reaganomics also doesn't work, the trickle down effect failed massively lol
Profound. You've convinced me, comrade.
Miencraft, Kings Island, Pevvania, Condealism
1. All of the evidence says otherwise. 16 million jobs, 20 years of prosperity, steady wage growth, large income gains, improved standing of African-Americans, etc.
2. 'Trickle-down' was never the intention of Reaganomics. Reaganomics was designed to create prosperity for all by cutting taxes for all. The term 'trickle-down economics' was conjured by a left-wing comedian in the 30s and has never been advocated by anyone who supports free markets.
Miencraft, Kings Island, The New United States, Rateria
But I'd like to hear your side of the argument, though.
rich people have to be taxed more so that there money circulates and doesnt just sit in there bank accounts
read an economics textbook libertardian
Kings Island, Pevvania
You know no one trusts screenshots. Even in the ones provided, the first two screenshots only shows you asking for the password, not anyone giving it. Except in the last, which is meaningless because if the screenshot is actually real, Teksi only gave you the password after you already had it.
So a big meh there.
As for your other "great victories" (lol). The only region in that list I've ever heard of aside from in your own boasting, is The Cooperative Union. And still I only became aware of & became involved in that community afterwards.
Soooooooooooo good for you :P
Btw, The True Communist Region is under KPA control. So you can scratch that off your list of "glorious victories" lol.
Also, when the nazis took control of it after you, did they actually take it, or did you hand it over to them? I know how you like to occasionally work with nazis & fash.....
So my screenshots are less reliable than saying "LOLOLOL ZENNY GOT TEH PASSWORD NOT LIBERTATEM TEHEH"? Okay m8
I used the puppet nation, New Qinghai, which was a member of Communist China, to get into CAPS. It became apparent that it was the leak in the organization when I said on the CAPS RMB during the invasion that a liberation attempt was in the works. One of the nations - I think it was one of the Das Kommune guys - circled Qinghai out, which led to its banjection by Revolutionary Tao from Communist China. You can ask any one of the nations involved in this, or simply look at the Communist China banned list. Your denialism can only go so far - we got the password and organised the entire operation ourselves.
Why should I care whatsoever about which ones you've heard of? You're not even a footnote in the broader Red Fleet-Libertatem War. I didn't know of your existence until you started talking dirty about us after successful raids.
The KPA can keep TTCR. Refounding a region after an enemy sleeper raid does not mend a destroyed community. Several regions we destroyed ended up in Nazi or Communist hands. But for many of these, it doesn't matter. Owning the ashes does not restore the body.
But you already support fascism, or a slightly altered version of it. Why would that make a difference to you?
Kings Island
Lol
1) Not true, and Reagan was known for racism, not sure what the "improved standing for African Americans" has to do with this anyway, Reaganomics even caused gangs in LA to get guns and drugs for efficiently.
2 ) Yes it was lmao
Coolidge>all
The New United States, Condealism
I don't get why everyone around here likes Reagan. He was incredibly conservative socially.
The best president was clearly William Henry Harrison.
Named my fort after him. President Coolidge was one of America's greatest economic conservatives, if not the greatest one to grace the office.
Miencraft, Kings Island
He did a lot for america and he was great economically and he bitch slapped the soviet union( and please let any brainwashed commie out there argue that, please make me laugh)
Miencraft, Rateria
I think his social conservatism took a back seat to his free-market instincts. I think Reagan was net positive for liberty, an achievement not shared by any president after Coolidge except perhaps Kennedy.
Rateria
I don't know that I'd put it quite like that lol. But its far more believable than your version of events :P
Touche! I only heard of you after I started posting here after all of our successful raids. If that only makes me a footnote, then what does that make you? :)
K, thanks. We planned to.
There are many leftist regions on NS. Are we responsible to defend each and everyone? Even the ones we've never heard of? That seems unreasonable.
Right, we cooperate with fash all the time.... no.... sorry, that's this region. The heat confused me for a minute.
:P So you gave it to them. That's what I thought ;)
1. Wages - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/dp1246.pdf
Jobs - https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PAYEMS/
Incomes - http://i.imgur.com/QqJwHct.png
20 years of prosperity - http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=312038
Improved standing for African-Americans - http://www.justfactsdaily.com/african-americans-prospered-during-the-presidency-of-ronald-reagan/
http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040611/news_lz1e11perkins.html
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=151078
"Reagan was known for racism" - Southern Strategy campaigning aside, Reagan can claim responsibility for helping to unshackle the black poor from a new type of slavery: the welfare state. Racial equality improved significantly under Reagan, as did the economic standing of African-Americans.
"Reaganomics even caused gangs in LA to get guns and drugs for efficiently" - What does that even mean?
2. Do you have a source for this? The general leftist perception of "trickle down" is cutting taxes for the rich so that the wealth created "trickles down" to the poor. This does not explain, then, why by the end of the 1980s about 3 million lower-income households had been taken off the income tax rolls entirely, and after 1987 the effective rate of income tax for those who earned under $30,000 was 0%.
Your argument is unsupported by the evidence.
Kings Island, Rateria
Let me tell you a little something something about William Henry Harrison. He lived in the county next to mine and he actively campaigned until he went for President to bring Indiana into the Union as a slave state. Thank God for Jonathan Jennings.
http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html
Denialism, once again. It is amusing how the ignorant try everything to latch on to comfortable world views, even when presented with incontrovertible evidence.
Why should I dignify comments like this? Minerva and I are responsible for reinvigorating this war during a period of inactivity and decay. Whether you like to admit it or not, we're a huge pain in the ass for you, which is the reason why you try so hard to push our buttons. It's as if your grade-school level name-calling can equal our superior military record. :)
You don't know what you're talking about. Every one of those regions mentioned had embassies with The Internationale, North Korea or the USSR. You have not been able to demonstrate once that your region has had more achievements against us. In fact, the longer you stay here, the more you embarrass your army's military "record", or lack thereof.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11800067_1061711300523205_5849518012268747276_n.png?oh=225e6e790f5b8282479f0abecb84cc04&oe=5649CAFA
I'm never sure around here if people don't realize when people are joking, or they just take things so seriously that they have to respond seriously even when the tone doesn't call for it.
Republic Of Minerva
Harrison would have been a mediocre president. He was a supporter of the so-called 'American System' of tariffs and internal improvements. Upon his death, he was thankfully replaced by John Tyler, a firm believer in the Constitution and a supporter of free trade.
Vermin Supreme would make a better president than Trump or Hillary.
Gary Johnson or Rand Paul really need to win this..
Miencraft, Tyrinth, Kings Island, The New United States, Humpheria
Could Affirmative Action be justified philosophically from a libertarian axiom? I used to think it couldn't, but now I am not sure.
First, realize that the duty of the government, as it exists, is to defend "property" and provide compensation for damages "justice." As it turns out, we have a very big group of people who had been dealt injustice - blacks, particularly those residing in the US, have had their property damaged and lives ruined by government laws that had discriminated against them in the past. Affirmative Action could be justified on the basis of Nozick's "just compensation" principle, where any damages incurred by actors to "property" (self-ownership and the determination that stems from it) should be repaid by the state through just compensation. In this case, since blacks are denied jobs and many opportunities, AA can provide the necessary compensation.
Of course, AA can be abused, or create even more injustices - for example, does a rich South African that moves to the United States need Affirmative Action? Probably not. This is the two edged sword - a tool of justice can be very well misapplied, and knowing the government's record on well - everything, I am hesitant to go out and support Affirmative Action outright. Perhaps very basic AA, or other ways of providing compensation (a stipend from the government?) could suffice better.
Pevvania
Well, if the Libertarians win the suit against the Commission on Presidential Debates, then they'll be allowed in. Hopefully that would get them up to 5% of the vote, which would ironically grant them government funding.
Indeed. But don't forget to include the Greens. Splitting the focus when the debates come up might be better for both, and it won't be the "Libertarians are sapping Republican strength" but more on a debate about third parties and the current political system, which needs a reform badly.
Of course, even if it is justified for "stability" reasons, I do not see the suit going through, or if it does, it wouldn't be a major victory. The winner takes all system needs reform first before any third parties can come thru.
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I've thought about this a lot. Do you think the LP would refuse the government funding on an ideological basis or accept it to level the playing field? Moreover, would it be possible to refuse government funding?
Rateria
Nah, they'd totally accept it.
Yes, it's possible.
So are elections gonna start soon, or am I missing something?
Elections won't happen. The Government has been dissolved and Muh Roads has been crowned Emperor of Libertatem. Jk
Kings Island, Rateria
Hey, I'm the most peace-loving guy here, evidently. #1 most pacifistic in 'Tatem.
I'm number 125 here and 110,711 in the world. All shall tremble before the might of my military! Mwahahahahahahahahah
"Look, libertarians are [B]flaming liberals when it comes to social issues[/B], when it comes to civil liberties. [B]A woman's right to choose[/B], drug reform, immigration, [B]marriage equality[/B]." - Gary Johnson
Get out of here, Gary Johnson. Being Libertarian is not predicated on being culturally progressive, nor on believing that the state should allow the wholesale slaughter of babies (which is pretty un-Libertarian, since the most basic function of the most limited state is the protection of every individual's right to life), nor on believing in "marriage equality" (which, itself, is predicated on the state being involved in the marriage business at all - which it shouldn't be, according to most Libertarians).
Condealism, Centinel
Want to freak out at you, too tired, too in pain.
Kings Island
Rest assured, I'm definitely morally outraged at your religious zealousy seeping into your politics like fecal matter seeping into a person's abdominal cavity, I really am, but I just can't do this right now.
Kings Island, Rateria
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"Religious zealotry" has nothing to do with cultural conservatism. Many of the most prominent AnCaps and Libertarians were/are culturally conservative - Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, etc.
"Religious zealotry" has nothing to do with recognizing the sanctity of human life - there are many non-religious folks that are Pro-Life.
"Religious zealotry" has nothing to do with being against supposed "marriage equality" - one can only fight for "marriage equality" if they presuppose that the state has some sort of right to act as sovereign over the institution of marriage.
Marriage equality could reference equality under the eyes of the law, or equality in nature. Neither necessitates government involvement beyond the upholding of contracts.
Miencraft
I dunno. Insecurity? When you presented the same comment to me, I didn't dignify it.
Were you? Cool. When did that happen? Is that what this is now? Reinvigoration?
Certainly, you've been a terrible pain for us. lol.... You've put up such of strong fight. You've made it so hard to take your regions & attack your allies. lol
Remind me, what was that record again? I forgot.
How many more times would you like us to dismantle REATO? Or would you be more impressed with us refounding a bunch of regions that have held embassies with you that even you don't remember? We can do either, or both if you'd like.
You mean the more we raid & take regions that have embassies with you, and post on your RMB embarrasses us? lol, ok
Cool ignorant, meaningless meme.
But hey, you got something in common with nazis, ISIS, AL-Qaeda, & Benjamin Netanyahu, you think the Israeli govt & its actions represent all Jewish people everywhere. Not very "antistatist" of you.
http://act.jstreet.org/sign/not_for_me/
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Pro-Israel-Group-Says-Netanyahu-Does-Not-Represent-All-Jews-20150210-0023.html
Now since you like pointless, meaningless juxtapositions. How about some real juxtaposition?
http://tinyurl.com/phwtvm5
http://tinyurl.com/p52jh6n
http://tinyurl.com/ns7by3o
http://tinyurl.com/o5u443r
http://tinyurl.com/pe3udrh
http://tinyurl.com/q2aabmg
http://tinyurl.com/pw7692g <--- A klan rally from 1966.
But the Confederate flag is totally cool, right? Its just about liberty & states (antistatist?) rights, right? Certainly nothing similar to fascism.
Crusader returning from The Hyatt Islands.
Welcome
A. While marriage should not be handled by the state, it confers a number of practical benefits, the denial of which is highly discriminatory. So long as it is handled by the state, it ought to be available to everyone.
Frankly, I don't care what you think about same-sex marriage, because it's none of your business. You can't claim to be a libertarian while saying "my religion says this is wrong - so we're going to forcibly prohibit it."
B. The fetus is not alive before a certain point in the pregnancy, and cannot think. Objects do not have rights. People have rights, IE the right to bodily autonomy.
You're certainly free to be "conservative" in your own thoughts and attitude, but using the force of arms to enforce your cultural views on others is about as far from Libertarian as you can get.
Rateria, The American Empire In Libertatem
Generally I only see abortion as wrong if the baby could have survived outside the mother.
There are already three methods to snuff out a human life before it begins: Abstinence, protection, or birth control. Abortion is only necessary when those methods fail, or when the mother's life is in danger.
The reason I, and others, oppose abortion in particular is because it is a matter of putting life above freedom of choice: The egg is not only fertilized, but actively on the path of development until an imminent birth (rare complications notwithstanding). Abortion doesn't just prevent birth - it kills someone who is very likely to be born, and thus, by anti-life (pardon, pro-choice) standards, alive.
(Furthermore, it's causing extreme harm to someone before they are even the least bit capable of defending themselves. That's the ultimate NAP violation.)
Miencraft, The New United States, The American Empire In Libertatem
Okay so trump continues to be a jackass, but his statement was funny: If hillary can't satisfy her man, what makes you think she can satisfy america
Be careful about what you say about Trump...He might give your phone number out. Lol.
Rateria
Exactly, and we also need to defund Planned Parenthood. It's the Holocaust for babies. PP is disgusting and inhumane...I actually watched one of those two hour clips that portrayed the true colors of PP.
The New United States
You can be against abortion, whatever, that's your own IQ deficiency, you can deal with that. You cannot be against Planned Parenthood, because you cannot say that free contraceptives, STD testing, and Pregnancy Tests are a bad thing, because what you are saying in that situation is essentially saying that you hate poor women.
Rateria
Here is another quote on planned parenthood that was a burn: So why do think it you should defund planned parenthood when it provides basic services for every couple in America? Answer: Doesn't Obamacare cover that?
You're right, I suppose.
Everybody has the right to live according to the dictates of their conscience, as scripture says. Everybody has the God-given right to excercise whatever religious beliefs they have, as long as that doesn't infringe upon others' rights to life, liberty and property. Everybody has the right to voluntarily associate with whomever they please, and the right to make contractual agreements with whomever they please. Everybody has the right to contract. I don't care if two homosexual men contract with each other the same as any heterosexual couple - it's not within the proper functions of government to prevent them from doing so.
I've never said anything to the contrary, that I recall.
Well, I've never said that, so I'm not sure what to make of this. My religion, I find, is inherently Libertarian. My religion is the only one (besides the Holy Church of Roads) to have a Prophet that was a self-declared Libertatian.
Your methodology for determining when life begins is completely arbitrary, and frankly it is biologically incorrect. Life is not measured by the capacity to think. The baby is a living being before it is able to think.
Well, it's too bad that I've never ever argued that the state should be used to achieve culturally conservative ends. The state's only rightful responsibilities are to use threat of force to protect our God-given rights to life (including that of children that haven't yet grown to meet some arbitrary standard), liberty and property.
Wait a minute...Isn't Obamacare supposed to cover that? If you deny that abortion/Planned Parenthood is genocide to unborn babies then YOU need to get your IQ tested.
I'll guess that none of us hate poor women as much as the noted euginicist and racist founder of Planned Parenthood - Margaret Sanger.
OOOOOOH, TAKE THAT HALLO ISLAND.
Also, it's very nice that you attack someone as having an "IQ deficiency," simply for having an opposing view. There are good faith arguments on both sides, and there's no reason to resort to ad hominem - unless you just are incapable of civilly debating the issue, in which case you've lost the argument already.
Miencraft, Rateria
Sanger believed in Darwinism, which has roots Nazism and racism.
*to*
1) Roads is a god not a prophet.
2) Pop I am guessing that it is your flag that is contributing to Hallo's anger. It is not just your position.
It might be, but hey, it's not my fault if he doesn't know the flag's history.
Technically Darwinism predates Nazism by a long time.
Social Darwinism, on the other hand...
Darwinism is the basis of all biological science. You must be a creationist, right?
Well, it isn't helping. The CSA were just racist traitors. Stop trying to glorify that.
Rateria
Either way, both of them have similarities to Nazism.
Indeed. I love the flag, but at the same time do not condone slavery or racism.
And here we see Godwin's law at work.
Darwinism is proven scientific fact.
Pick up a damn history book. The southern states seceded from the Union because took away a lot of the states' rights and suspended Habeaus Corpus.
Same here.
Actually, I think you don't. It was indeed used by the Confederate army, but it came to prevalence when used by the Dixiecrats to spearhead a movement to keep America racially segregated.
Didn't the north suspend Habeas Corpus after the south seceded? I am not saying that the suspension was right; but it was not a cause.
Rateria
https://www.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/10152970493514205/
This is what we are taught in our history books.
The only rebel flag the I will ever fly is the American flag.
Miencraft, Rateria
Yes, because natural selection is definitely racist.
Hallo Island, Rateria
You use Facebook as your history book...wow
:D
Pretty sure that any federal biology textbook will back me up in saying that you are an idiot.
Social Darwinism
Obviously not, but it summarizes what we are taught.
Social Darwinism...Social Darwinism is the belief in which the strong live and the weak die. In this case, the babies die for the sake of science.
Well your teacher was obviously bias.
Well, that's Darwinism. In nature, the weak animals do indeed die. If they pass on weak genes, then more and more will die. Only the strongest live to pass on their genes.
Yes, but this practice shouldn't be passed onto babies.
Obviously not, but, blaming the death of a baby on Darwinism is stupid.
Rateria
I'm not. Planned Parenthood was founded on the belief of Social Darwinism.
And they use Social Darwinism as an excuse to murder babies.
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They shouldn't.
I'm against abortion, and for mainly the reasons CI said earlier, but calling Darwinists baby murderers just because some idiot wanted to kill babies for the sake of "muh racial purity" isn't right.
Rateria
I'm not calling Darwinists baby murderers. What I am saying is that Sanger founded Planned Parenthood on the beliefs of Social Darwinism, to kill babies (the weak) for the sake of science (the strong). I am not trying to imply that Darwinists are baby murderers, rather, very dedicated scientists taking it a bit too far.
The baby can't even defend themselves, that's not even Darwinism.
EXACTLY. The baby is weak, so science comes in and kills it, since it is strong. Either way, killing babies is wrong and we must defund Planned Parenthood!
Abortion isn't science. It's murder.
Abortion is murder. What I am saying is that Planned Parenthood uses abortion, which is wrong and is not science, for science to study the fetus, then they sell them, so people can harvest it.
Amen, it is murder. God decides who lives and who dies.
And harvesting a fetus is also wrong.
Jaden is a bit agnostic, so God, unfortunately, won't help us in our debate against or with Jaden.
:/
Another thing Jaden and I have in common.
He also likes Rand Paul to.
Don't forget Ron Paul.
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