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Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:It's not made by one person. With that score, you are really barely scratching the surface of the ideology of freedom.

The Political Compass is highly inaccurate. It trips you up by conflating questions of personal belief with questions of policy, and then asks about completely inconsequential things like the validity of abstract art. This is the same website that claims Obama to be economically far-right.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:iSideWith is garbage, as are all American Political Party systems. Use Political Compass. The American Libertarian Party is a joke, and Rand Paul is a conservative in sheep's clothing, trying to gain the Young Republican voter group by not being a d!ck about drugs and LGBT+. There is no legit "libertarian" movement in America, outside of the small amounts of fringe groups.

Don't be so pessimistic. I strongly believe that Rand Paul is a closet anarchist or hardcore minarchist. The libertarian movement in America is thriving and has accomplished a lot since the 60s and 70s; I think it's main ideological problem is being permissive of big state government instead of big federal government, a la Ron Paul.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:Nationalism is pretty authoritarian. Belief that the territory claimed by one regional monopoly on the initiation of force is better than any other territory claimed by rival monopolies of the same nature would just be state-pride. And what exactly does America have to be proud of? #1 in the World in Incarceration Rates?

Its drug laws are quickly liberalising. Up to seven more states are expected to legalise or decriminalise marijuana in some way by the end of the year, while Rand Paul and Cory Booker are pushing forward to reform sentencing. It has everything to be proud of. Number one for gun ownership and gun freedoms, one of the lowest tax burdens in the OECD, relatively low regulation, a much smaller size of government, etc. And above all, it has a Constitution that has at least partially succeeded in limiting the size of government and has encouraged a general populace that is at least trying to think. Please, name me a freer country than the United States.

Hermesgrad wrote:...well his movies weren't too good.... but he was a comedian and i dont think he would want everyone to be so miserable, i think he would want jokes (good ones) and laughter.

I disagree, Hermesgrad. I think his movies were good, but it was his stand-up comedy routines that were a little flat.

He tried too much to emulate George Carlin.

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Pevvania wrote:The Political Compass is highly inaccurate. It trips you up by conflating questions of personal belief with questions of policy, and then asks about completely inconsequential things like the validity of abstract art. This is the same website that claims Obama to be economically far-right.

Don't be so pessimistic. I strongly believe that Rand Paul is a closet anarchist or hardcore minarchist. The libertarian movement in America is thriving and has accomplished a lot since the 60s and 70s; I think it's main ideological problem is being permissive of big state government instead of big federal government, a la Ron Paul.

Its drug laws are quickly liberalising. Up to seven more states are expected to legalise or decriminalise marijuana in some way by the end of the year, while Rand Paul and Cory Booker are pushing forward to reform sentencing. It has everything to be proud of. Number one for gun ownership and gun freedoms, one of the lowest tax burdens in the OECD, relatively low regulation, a much smaller size of government, etc. And above all, it has a Constitution that has at least partially succeeded in limiting the size of government and has encouraged a general populace that is at least trying to think. Please, name me a freer country than the United States.

Obama is economically authoritarian right. He, along with all of American Politics, are authoritarian right-wing. The difference between Republicans and Democrats, even the Tea Party, is very, very small in the grand scheme of things.

I find the libertarian movement in America to be similar to the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution. Objectivists and the moderate classical liberals are essentially Vanguard Capitalists.

Perhaps in the liberal half of the country. I will never see this luxury in the South. We shouldn't have "low tax burdens", rather, NO tax burdens. To say that's a plus is to say "The Armenian Genocide wasn't as bad as the Khmer Rouge"

I thought he was extremely funny in general. I never had any reason to dislike his performance, whether in movies or stand-up.

Zeouria wrote:Christianity is stupid. It's been disproved for, well, forever now. Get with 2014, it's of 1607.

Beg pardon?

Can I just ask why the hell LGBT isn't just LGBT anymore?

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Zeouria wrote:Ahahaha!

Nationalism? Libertarianism is strongly against Nationalism. Wanna know why? Because it's stupid. I can understand pride in one's region, I live in Michigan I think it's a cool state and it's really pretty. But what makes it better than Idaho? Ohio? Wisconsin? It's the same with nations (which are just social constructs that don't actually exist... only in wealm of imagination). Nationalism is a tool used by state's to make you do anything for that state, to not question any of its decisions, and to blindly follow it.

I agree with most of this, but in many ways to be proud of your country and your flag isn't just to be proud of the state you live under, but to be proud of the people living within it and its culture.

Zeouria wrote:Christianity is stupid. It's been disproved for, well, forever now. Get with 2014, it's of 1607.

How so?

Zeouria wrote:America used to be able to flaunt it's greatness. It's education rates, it's military modernization, it's no debt, it's thriving economy. Can it now? No. American Nationalism, Canadian Nationalism, or whatever fake border you ended up being born in a being blindly attached to it, is stupid.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. America right now is at the same point that it was in the mid-to-late 1970s. More and more people are recognising the need for real change. It'll come eventually.

Zeouria wrote:The Libertarian party could be FAR more Libertarian. But out of all the popular parties in the country, I hope they grow, I hope they gain office.

Maybe so, but a problem of theirs is flaunting ideas that sound ridiculous to most people. A few years ago when I was a so-called "moderate liberal", I despised the Libertarian Party and thought that it was insane for what it proposed. Instead of its candidates chanting unrealistic policy mantras like "Abolish Medicare! Legalise drugs!", they should try a more gradualist approach and attempt to convince others that they're right.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:Obama is economically authoritarian right. He, along with all of American Politics, are authoritarian right-wing. The difference between Republicans and Democrats, even the Tea Party, is very, very small in the grand scheme of things.

I find the libertarian movement in America to be similar to the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution. Objectivists and the moderate classical liberals are essentially Vanguard Capitalists.

Perhaps in the liberal half of the country. I will never see this luxury in the South. We shouldn't have "low tax burdens", rather, NO tax burdens. To say that's a plus is to say "The Armenian Genocide wasn't as bad as the Khmer Rouge"

I'd put him in the authoritarian centre, because fundamentally he is a corporatist.

That's silly. Classical liberals and an-caps are fighting for the same goals and in the same way. Any ideological differences they have really aren't important, because these would only ever become an issue if America became a minarchist state. Until then, refusing to vote and dividing the libertarian movement into factions is not going to help us.

As Adam Kokesh once said, Americans are the freest slaves of all.

Zeouria wrote:Christianity is stupid. It's been disproved for, well, forever now. Get with 2014, it's of 1607.

Excuse me?

Zeouria wrote:Like, as in it's members aren't all LGBT?

No, I mean, why it's actually not called LGBT anymore. It's got some weird extension nowadays on the end that I don't remember.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Beg pardon?

Caococo wrote:Excuse me?

To be totally honest, there really isn't all that much science backing up the claims of the Bible.

But I'd rather not get into that on the RMB.

Listen y'all Jesus was historically an actual person. God, whether you believe in him or not is up to what you believe in.

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Zeouria wrote:

God is also an idea that warms our little hearts. He's a blanket of hope. Ignorant hope, may be the correct word.

LGBTQ. The stands for Queer. Queer is for anyone else who's not represented in Lesbian, Gay, Transgender, and Bisexual.

I think it's a good little addiction.

I thought queer was gay/lesbian.

Well, first it was "Strange", then it was gay/lesbian, and now it's... confused?

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God very much does exist. How do I know this? The complexity of the Earth and the universe points to a deliberate designer. God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ.

But I think the greatest evidence of the existence of God is the number of divine interventions, miracles or other such events witnessed and experienced over the past two thousand thousand years. Many people I know have experienced God. It's just such a shame that more people haven't.

In the words of George Michael, you gotta have faith.

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There is no evidence for or against the existence of god(s).

That doesn't mean it's irrational to believe in them though.

Also, leprechauns do exist:

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/28208/scientists-capture-leprechaun/

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Except, the flood actually happened. And the bottle neck happened too.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1207/features/noah2.htm

Zeouria wrote:"The complexity of the Earth and the universe points to a deliberate designer."

Ah, no. It's quite random, actually. We just find things that are common and do not have accept ions, and put labels on them as Laws. Earth is barely complex to the billions of other planets out there in the vastness of the universe.

Complex and random, yes. The designer of the universe wanted it like this, in my opinion.

Zeouria wrote:"God does not force us to believe in him, though he could."

According to the bible, of we don't accept God as our creator, then we burn in eternal hell fire. What makes Christianity different then the thousand and one other religions out there? What if god does exist, but it's not your god? His do you know Christianity is the truth, and not Islam? Or even Hinduism?

What I mean is that God doesn't make himself known to everyone so He literally forces everyone to know He exists. God tests the faith of everyone on nearly a daily basis. I don't know which religion is right, but I know the God exists based on evidence. However, I am not a 'purebreed' Christian - there is too much evidence of reincarnation to dismiss it, for example, or of the existence of apparitions. But I certainly believe that Jesus was the Son of God. The ultimate proof of this is the Shroud of Turin, and not to mention the thousands of witnesses to his miraculous deeds.

Zeouria wrote:"the number of people who attest to knowing God,"

Again... just no. What if 99.9% of human beings believed in lepercons? And you're one of the only one's who are intelligent enough to know that they don't exist? But, wait! They actually do exist, because a lot of people believe in them! That makes perfect sense! (Sarcasm)

If 99% of people believed that Leprechauns existed, then they'd probably exist! :P None of us can really know anything. I don't know that you exist. I don't even know if I exist. I could be a cyborg. I could be trapped in The Matrix. But we act and think based on our observations. And as far as many people have observed, God is real. God has even shown Himself to thousands of people.

Zeouria wrote:"But I think the greatest evidence of the existence of God is the number of divine interventions, miracles or other such events witnessed and experienced over the past two thousand thousand years."

If I see a "miracle" happen, and it is [I]scientifically[/I] seen as true, then I will believe it's an actual "miracle." If I see god with my own eyes (and I'm not hallucinating), I will believe in god. But, that stuff never happens.

Actually, that stuff happens all the time. Like the man whose name escapes me who was a staunch atheist until he literally died and came back to life in a morgue (which in itself isn't a unique occurrence; this has happened to quite a few people). He awakened as a strong Evangelical, having experienced God when he was dead.

"70 minutes ago: The United States of Snabagag ceased to exist."

RIP

What Minerva said. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

According to scientists, not only was the world destroyed in fire, but the entire human race comes from just two people.

Also, Pev, if the universe's complexity means undoubtedly that it was created by some higher power, where did that higher power come from? Would it not have to be as complex, if not more complex, than the universe in order to do such a thing? If the complex universe must have been created by God, what created God?

I am far to arrogant to be an atheist

Nobody's gonna notice

Miencraft wrote:"70 minutes ago: The United States of Snabagag ceased to exist."

RIP

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Miencraft wrote:Nobody's gonna notice

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A tragedy by all accounts

I noticed that Snab CTE'd and was going to post something about it before Tsar dragged me into debating him. Today is a sad day that one of the Constitution's primary authors and perhaps the first great President of Libertatem has ceased to exist. May the Fourth President of Libertatem one day return.

Humpy is sick. :(

Snabagag's nation lived a long and storied life.

Lack There Of wrote:I am far to arrogant to be an atheist

Yup...

Humpheria wrote:Humpy is sick. :(

:(

Lack There Of wrote:I am far to arrogant to be an atheist

BOOM!

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Zeouria wrote:"If God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish Him.”

-Mikhail Bakunin

Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:Obama is economically authoritarian right. He, along with all of American Politics, are authoritarian right-wing. The difference between Republicans and Democrats, even the Tea Party, is very, very small in the grand scheme of things.

I find the libertarian movement in America to be similar to the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution. Objectivists and the moderate classical liberals are essentially Vanguard Capitalists.

Perhaps in the liberal half of the country. I will never see this luxury in the South. We shouldn't have "low tax burdens", rather, NO tax burdens. To say that's a plus is to say "The Armenian Genocide wasn't as bad as the Khmer Rouge"

I highly doubt the "Ron Paul" revolutionaries classify as anything similar to Bolshevik revolutionaries.

This is what the state is up against: http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.texastribune.org/media/images/APaul_LeMars732cms_jpg_800x1000_q100.jpg

Republic Of Minerva wrote:

This is what the state is up against: http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.texastribune.org/media/images/APaul_LeMars732cms_jpg_800x1000_q100.jpg

Those dangerous radicals ought to be sent to the nearest FEMA camp for "re-education" about our eternal savior, the state

Hermesgrad wrote:who's Ron Paul?

Who's Ron Paul? WHO'S RON PAUL?

You never heard of Ron fvcking Paul?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Who's Ron Paul? WHO'S RON PAUL?

You never heard of Ron fvcking Paul?

Hey man, it was probably just a joke. Calm down there killer.

Lack There Of wrote:Hey man, it was probably just a joke. Calm down there killer.

RON PAUL!

UG SMASH PUNY STATISTS!

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c6/96/1e/c6961ea224b3828a273ccd58a8eae3ee.jpg

Miencraft wrote:Also, Pev, if the universe's complexity means undoubtedly that it was created by some higher power, where did that higher power come from? Would it not have to be as complex, if not more complex, than the universe in order to do such a thing? If the complex universe must have been created by God, what created God?

A valid point, and one that I cannot answer. Maybe God is the universe, or perhaps God is the last surviving being of another universe which has been destroyed. I am not sure.

Humpheria wrote:Humpy is sick. :(

How so? Sick as in you have a cold? Or sick as in you can't eat? Either way, eat something. It'll help.

Hermesgrad wrote:who's Ron Paul?

Come on, man! I live here too and I know who he is :P

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Who's Ron Paul? WHO'S RON PAUL?

You never heard of Ron fvcking Paul?

IM SORRY

Pevvania wrote:A valid point, and one that I cannot answer. Maybe God is the universe, or perhaps God is the last surviving being of another universe which has been destroyed. I am not sure.

How so? Sick as in you have a cold? Or sick as in you can't eat? Either way, eat something. It'll help.

Come on, man! I live here too and I know who he is :P

so he is...?

Hermesgrad wrote:IM SORRY

so he is...?

Ron Paul is the greatest fvcking thing to happen to America since America.

http://www.ronpaul.com/

Next thing you know tsar will say Capitalism is stupid because we are not in the 1800s.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Next thing you know tsar will say Capitalism is stupid because we are not in the 1800s.

Capitalism today>capitalism in the 1800s

Also if we did not have Nationalists then there would have been no revolutionary or civil war. Which means we would occur had slaves longer and we would be under the union jack.

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That's your opinion. Just like it's my opinion that Anarcho Communism is stupid.

Anarcho-communism isn't 'stupid', per se... I'd call it misguided. I don't think communism would be possible without state coercion to create it.

That's your opinion. Just like it's my opinion that Anarcho Communism is stupid.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ron Paul is the greatest fvcking thing to happen to America since America.

http://www.ronpaul.com/

so what he do thats so good?

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Any form of Communism must be transitional. Modern people with how they think now will not accept it.

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Hermesgrad wrote:so what he do thats so good?

He's:

-the only politician that will end the war on drugs

-the only politician that will end US involvement in the middle east for good

-promises to cut US spending by 1 trillion for his first year in office

-will end the Patriot Act, NSA, and drone program

etc

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Zeouria wrote:Also, there's the fact that it has been achieved before without state coercion, voluntarily, in Spain and Ukraine.

It never lasted long

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That's coming from me refreshing the page after I post a message.

Pevvania wrote:How so? Sick as in you have a cold? Or sick as in you can't eat? Either way, eat something. It'll help.

A common strain of influenza has established a small African nation in my sinus.

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Humpheria wrote:A common strain of influenza has established a small African nation in my sinus.

Ebola!

Na probably a sti from all the husbands he has.

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I am humps true husband!

Zeouria wrote:There is nothing wrong with homosexual pologamy! LGBTQGKUBGNLI17429 rights!

finally LI17 gets some recognition on this site!

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No humpy is mine! grabs a knife and goes towards tsars pants.

Zeouria wrote:I'm more worried about 429 and GKUB.

No, I am!

*punches american in face*

those freaks GOD HATES 429 AND GKUB!

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It's not the pants It's What's In the pants.

Zeouria wrote:Well, ala dislikes Ll17!

Pants? What, you're going to cut them off?

*gasp*oh noes you didnt?!

well the Greek pantheon hates TQK

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If y'all think that endless streams of mucus coming from every extremity on a solid bed of used tissues is attractive, then you're good.

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The Amarican Empire wrote:It's not the pants It's What's In the pants.

Teewagen?

Zeouria wrote:One the we can agree on... is that we all hate TQK.

its settled then we are pro everything but TQK.

Humpheria wrote:If y'all think that endless streams of mucus coming from every extremity on a solid bed of used tissues is attractive, then you're good.

hehe butt mucus...

Huh, Snabagag CTEd.

Baphometus wrote:Huh, Snabagag CTEd.

Yep.

Zeouria wrote:You... are.... disgusting....

I have a dark imagination.

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President Hump! President Hump!

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So now hump is at 999,999,998 sexy points.

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