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Region: Libertatem
Oh, I don't know but it doesn't matter daily, the voting period will be over three days.
How do we vote?
I vote Zarden
Taxation is institutionalized theft. It requires the threat of physical force and is literally expropriation. The rendering of services does not mitigate the violation of the non-aggression principle.
Taxation is theft and governments should only use funds produced by the businesses they own and all other things ran by the government within the public sector to fund the country. If a government cannot survive on the money it makes by itself, then the government shouldn't exist.
Dec. 9/10th - Dec. 18th(EST) Announcement. Dec. 18th - Dec. 25 Campaign. Dec. 25 - Dec. 28th Election via Telegram to Attorney General [nation=short]Lone Star[/nation]. Any seats that are opposed will hold public debates on December 23 from 1:00 (EST US) to 2:00 (EST US). Please if you have any questions for the candidates, please telegram them to me and I will preside. A transcript will be published in my factbook before the election period.
Objectivist Empire, doesn't that make the government, essentially, a profit driven private enterprise with a large private army? Surely the whole point of a government is to take care and give order to its citizens, not to make a profit off of them?
That's what I believe government should be and that. Provide basic leadership guidelines and services while everything else is privatized by companies. And if they can't do that, I'm not exactly opposed to anarchy as a government system. I believe you should live your life as freely as possible and sometimes the government comes in between you and your freedom.
I realize that governing bodies are generally not seen as businesses, but how else could the attain funds without using force? Even if they were a business they would hold an unfair monopoly on the markets (ie. American mail system) which would also be a form of extortion by way of racketeering. Any way you split it, the state must use force to survive.
Special Announcement:
Blahbania will now be letting certain regions be adopted.
These regions are:
The Federal Republic Of Germany
If you want to adopt any of these regions, please TG me
The Federal Republic Of Germany has been adopted by Muh Roads :)
Union Of Communes has been adopted by Alchandria :)
The Republic Of Albania has been adopted by Humpheria :)
What do you folks think would happen if the gold standard fell back into place in the US?
I'm no expert on monetary policy, but I'd anticipate a sharp crash, followed by a long period of economic expansion.
What if we bought enough gold to be equal with the value of the dollar and how many dollars there are in circulation?
Then great? But that's quite a pipe dream. I was born with fiat money.. and will probably die with fiat money.
Isn't that Friedman's idea?
Regardless of how a return to the gold standard would be implemented, I do think there'd be a short recession as the order of production would be altered, meaning that resources would need to be re-allocated (i.e. a market correction) in order to more efficiently distribute resources in reaction to the changes to the monetary base, and subsequent influence on inflation and interest rates.
They say if we just went back without buying any more gold, there would be 80% deflation.
[quote=pevvania;4793908]Isn't that Friedman's idea?
Most Probably
How did I fail at quoting?
here,s my "two cents." Get the government out of money, and allow for competitive currencies to do what the market does best, regulate itself. This has been tried numerous times (ie he Liberty Dollar fiasco) but the Feds always come in and gunk up everything. Before any one yells "WHAT ABOUT BITCOINS?!?!" its important to remember that the bitcoin system was functioning quite well until the mass publicity increased demand that was not calculated for. This massive inflation could have been avoided if their had been several other systems competing against the currency to keep inflation to a minim.
How many of you agree with Objectivism?
Me
I'm a
I'm a fan
You are all free to join the Libertarian Objectivist party
[please do, oh god I am lonely over here]
I think it's obvious I do.
Nice flag btw. Ron Swanson, a real american
I redirect any Objectivists to my above post
Sorry, though. Not a fan of minarchism.
which factbook did you read? mine or the one on pevvania's?
His is more accurate
Yo, man, I respect Rand, I really do. Brilliant ideas. Great fiction. But I'm an anarchist.
Which party are you affiliated with currently?
LP
Join the Anti-Corporatist Party! Get the government out of the money!
I would love if you would stop stealing my campaign efforts
I would love to, if your name were more original. :3
All in good fun ;)
I would include you in more mass telegrams if your name weren't such a pain in the ass to type.
;]
I would take offense to that, but you're actually quite right...and probably aren't good at copypasting, lol ;)
I really do find typing easier if I have to go back and forth on several tabs to get all the names.
Yeah, I know. That's about right.
Join the LP! Get the government out of EVERYTHING!
I must once again stress how it goes against objectivists philosophy to run for a public office
You go right ahead and do that while I stress that I will do whatever the hell I damned well please.
Y'all need to take a serious chill-pill. We are all colleagues here, and also, what is with all the party recruitment spam? I'm all for some light hearted teasing, but there was a lot of hostility in the last two hours. Let's all take a breath and sing Kumbaya.
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbayah
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
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Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
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Oh Lord, kumbaya
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What advanced lyrics we got here.
Don't worry, I'm just screwing around.
Y'all are great
I'm not saying don't start a party, just don't call it an objectivist party. I mean for goodness sake you just said "I will do whatever the hell I damned well please." This of course is a layman's explanation objectivism, and comes into a direct conflict with the democratic system.
Running for an office indicates that you have an interest in public policy. Public policy, in a democratic system, is simply the will of the majority forced upon everyone else. So while you may be able to do "whatever the hell (you) damned well please" the individual whom you rule over may be unable to because of your policies as an elected official.
Thus, any attempt to run for a public office under the banner of pure objectivism would be a farce and a paradox.
I will say that the party is definitely not pure, unadulterated Objectivism. It just borrows most of it's philosophical ideas from Objectivism. The idea of a government in general is a contradiction to Objectivism. The primary focus of this party is to gather nations that are heavily influenced by Objectivism and get them more involved in the politics of libertatem, so that more residents of libertatem may do "whatever the hell they damned well please."
Also, this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivist_Party
Thats really something. Truth be told, i didnt even know thst was a real thing, but i can assure you Rand would not have approved of this endeavor, in the RW or here for that matter.
Furthermore, Objectivism is far from a cry for anarchy. If anything, Rand was a pragmatic Minarchist who sought to change system the already existing political spectrum. She detested the LP from its birth, and all third wing parties that might "take away" votes from whomever she thought the better of the two mainstream candidates.
Here's something to ponder about:
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ar_libertarianism_qa
I am by no means an anarchist and I definitely do not agree with that objectivist party, who's motives are unclear, I could be labeled a minarchist, but would seem redundant with the other parties.
In which case I would ask, why bother making a new party when are parties to suit your needs?
To gather more people who share my views and bring them higher into the regional politics, as the other parties have failed to do so.
First, you might want to take a lesson from Rand who came to the conclusion it would be easier to change things from the inside.
Second, I'm not sure how familiar you are with the recent history of the region, but we've hit a slow patch regarding regional involvement recently. This trend was being reversed BEFORE these two new parties were created.
Third, (personal note) I'm not sure what time zone you're in but for me this is exceptionally late, or early rather and I have an exam tomorrow, or today. I will happily continue this discussion another time, but as for now I must bid you farewell for now.
I was thinking the same
I agree that the individual should be the sole arbiter of their own happiness, but my fundamental disagreement with it is that it rejects religion. I believe that individual liberties come from God.
The Anarcho-Capitalist Party has gained its newest member - [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] has decided to caucus with them.
Here is the progress of the Board races so far:
[B]1st seat: Muh Roads RLP
2nd seat: Humpheria RLP[/B]
3rd seat: Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes RLP, Alchandria LOP (Replacing Islands)
4th seat: Miencraft ACP
[B]5th seat: The Liberty Front RLP, Zarden ACP (Replacing Abaretta)[/B]
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=197873
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Why are you giving away valuable communist regions? They'll most likely be forgotten about and re-founded.
Ok fine :(
:) I just love serving the citizens of Libertatem as a board member, most of whom despise government.. LOL
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[B]ONE DAY LEFT TO SUBMIT YOUR BOARD CANDIDACY! VOTING BEGINS TOMORROW![/B]
Here are the current candidates for the Board, with incumbents highlighted in bold:
1st seat: [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] RLP
2nd seat: [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] RLP
3rd seat: [nation=short]Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes[/nation] RLP, [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] LOP (Replacing [nation=short]Islands[/nation])
4th seat: [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] ACP
5th seat: [nation=short]The Liberty Front[/nation] RLP, [nation=short]Zarden[/nation] ACP (Replacing [nation=short]Abaretta[/nation])
Oh, looks like I forgot to announce the party change.
Well, ACP rather than Independent now.
So yeah.
Congrats [nation=short]Mencraft[/nation], we won't have any independents this term.
The Anti-Corporatist Party, or AnCP, would like to stress that we are a passive multi party. "Multi" means that you can be a member of multiple political parties and still join the Anti-Corporatist Party, and "passive" means that if you are a member of another party, your affiliation to that party will come first (so if you are a government official that is a member of the AnCP and another party, the acronym next to your name will belong to that of the other party).
Join the AnCP today, and keep Libertatem statism-free!
Speaking of ending fascism.. The Fascist Party's leader has switched regions... so should it not be defunct?
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=greater_fascism_libertatem
Wow there is such a diverse range of political parties here
I urge all of you to vote RLP. All of our candidates are competent and loyal. Muh Roads and Humpheria have done a superb job serving the region, and former Federal Islands President Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes has a proven track record of leadership. The Liberty Front has some good ideas about advancing the cause of freedom across NationStates that could aid us in our struggle against totalitarianism. Thank you all in advance for your votes tomorrow and in the coming days, which go to Attorney-General [nation=short]The Lone Star[/nation], and God bless Libertatem.
ahh, gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up.
We have a new contender in the races for the Board! [nation=short]Endralia[/nation] has challenged [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] for Seat 2!
What was now considered a safe seat, being that of the Board Chairman, it is now the third battleground in an election considered safe for the RLP. The Anarcho-Capitalist Party (colloquially known as the AnCaps by some) has quickly grown from being an obscure minor party to a major force in Libertan politics: formerly independent Board member [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] has joined them, with two candidates now challenging Reaganites.
The President's party was expected to receive a clean 4-1 majority earlier in the race, but the creation of the ACP and one-man Objectivist Party has threatened its power as Libertatem's dominant party.
The Libertarian Party has weakened. Its only non-Managerial Board member, [nation=short]Abaretta[/nation], has decided not to seek re-election.
A significant criticism of the ACP is that it has no ideas for the region, and exists only as an ideological platform for its members. Manager of State [nation=short]Lack there of[/nation] called the party "contradictory."
Galacticorp... why are you not writing for the regional news? Your reporting is brilliant.
Check the Gazette.
It doesn't give credit?
Good point, I'll amend that.
Here i thought it was you writing it the whole time ;)
I'm already in RLP
Earlier today an esteemed citizen in our region announced his candidacy for the second seat. I would like to start my message by congratulating Endralia on getting involved in Regional politics, it is a great show of character. Now on to the campaigning.
I will start by pointing out to the citizens my greatest mistake. On November 16, our region experienced one of it's darkest days. Our region was split. The vocal supporters of constitutional reform, and the... not-so vocal... opposition. The Manager of the Interior, Independent States Of America, asked that a vote be made in the Board for a legal redress to the Delegacy for a rewrite of the Constitution. It was brought to a vote and passed with a Yea-3 Nay-1 Abs.-1. I then set o work writing a constitution draft for review and editing. Meanwhile, civil war had broken out on the RMB, after I finished the draft and went to publish it, I had missed countless, hostile, saddening posts here. Once I found out that so many people were against it after the redress, I withdrew. The next days after that were ones of punishment, apologies, and scolding. ISA lost his position over the fiasco, but I was lucky enough to get a second chance. On that day in November, I learned a valuable lesson: You can here a hundred voices, and it may be that only one, you should listen to. Your own. Everyone makes decisions in their lives, some better than others. But, you MUST[/B] stand behind them. I made a mistake, I could have done a hundred things better, but I stand by what I did, that's all a man can do. When you vote in the coming days, look at all of us, our mistakes, and triumphs, and decide for yourselves what you think.
I have served this region as Chairman for three months, through prosperity, and strife, but I have been here. It is up to you who you vote for, but I have gained experience through my mistakes and victories, and I hope to use that in the next three months.
I implore you to support Humpheria RLP and all other RLP candidates in the upcoming elections. Good luck Endralia, and God Bless Libertatem!
Here is my platform for ACP board seat:
(1) As a libertarian region I think it is a slight contradiction that we are so aggressive in our war against totalitarianism, so while this is important, we should limit our defence to larger aggressive regions like The Black Riders who threaten regional security rather than focusing on minor takeovers
(2) True libertarianism means government should pick no favourites. In Reaganist I think it implies favouring companies over unions. However, both must exist as counterbalances and breakups are unnecessary. Only public-sector unions are dangerous as they have more potential to grow larger than companies with government support. True libertarianism should result in smaller companies and unions.
(3) Libertarianism does not imply conservative ideals. Foreign policy, closed borders, and guns are a few examples. If a group of citizens decide their small community should not have guns so be it, in the same way that small communities should not be barred from owning guns by the majority. Second, foreign policy that implied extreme military force also hurts other country's sovereignty, which under the Non-Aggression Principle is just tyranny on a bigger stage.
Endralia, i applaud your efforts and appreciate you sharing your ideals. Although, i want you to understand historically this region fights big government (communism, fascism, etc.). In fact, it was only recently that nations of other ideals were let in from what i understand.
Using your own logic about Libertarianism, how would you approach the nations that do want to be aggressive? They seem to be the majority.
I urge those who identify as objectivists or advocate many objectivist ideals to join the Libertarian Objectivist party.
I hope to gather Objectivist ideologists to take a stance in the politics of the region, instilling Objectivist ideas into the Libertatem government.
[nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation], love the new flag!
It is rather great.
Thank you!
I now would like to publicly endorse two candidates.
In the race for the Third Seat I would like to endorse Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes. He was the President of Federal Islands and has fought for Liberty and Freedom for all. He is an experienced player and the greatest choice for the Third Seat of the Board.
In the race for the Fifth Seat I will endorse The Liberty Front. He is fairly new to the region, but he has shown great concern for the interest of the citizens of Libertatem. After talking to him extensively he has proven to be very knowledgeable of the history and politics of the region, and he is a genuinely good person, all around, the best choice for the Fifth Seat of the Board.
I urge you all, not just just members of the RLP, to vote for these fine men, the patriots. God Bless Libertatem!
I think that only aggressive nations over a certain size should be defended and perhaps retaliated against. While I understand the concern for other (smaller) countries, as I said aggression is inherently against (my) libertarian ideals. Thereby we should focus on main groups like The Black Riders instead of smaller ones. As a member of other regions, I have seen bigger groups get drawn into conflicts anyway, so going right to the source is: (A) a better way to defeat big and aggressive government and (B) avoids collateral damage by making the smaller regions we are trying to defend safe from being the subject of an escalated conflict, thereby protecting our libertarian credibility.
Just for clarity, are you saying that you would prefer the majority of our resources be put to attacking large regions, or defending larger regions. Are you basing your whole campaign on matters of defense? Or o you have other points that you would like tom point out before the election?
I think only Top Ten countries on the invaders list should be classified as threats and attacked if we can defeat them. Otherwise our efforts are ineffectual and useless. Some sort of coalition could take down the Black Riders. I also think the Black Hawks are dangerous.
So you would like our region to become one that focuses on raiding, with allies if necessary?
A region that focuses on raiding the biggest invaders, yes. While we may fool ourselves by saying we are peacefully defending smaller regions it is ineffectual while the other nine invaders take over nine more countries. In addition we do not want to get involved in a big conflict unless we think we can deal a big blow to the totalitarian enemy. Smaller conflicts just bring in the black riders or someone who we cannot stand up to on our own.
However I think this would only be once in a while, and our own defence is more important than trying to defend other countries against long odds.
As for another issue, I think all decisions made by the board should, in the interest of Libertarian Ideology, be subject to a two day referendum, including even the expulsion of members (except in emergency situations).
But, it is very unlikely that we would ever be able to take on larger regions, so why would we waste our resources on attacks like that. Would you deny that the domestic affairs of the region should come before the raiding of large regions who have yet to be a threat to us? Or do you think that starting battles that we can't finish is more important?
We have 80, 90 embassies. Do you realize the number of potential allies? It is not unrealistic at all to attack larger aggressive nations. What are we if we can't make a real dent in totalitarianism?
Do YOU want to help me stand up to the Black Riders?
Then, please TG me. I have a raid planned on a Black Rider occupied region.
Realistically, very few of those regions would be foolish enough to follow us on an unprovoked attack of the 16th largest region in the world and their 1111 allies. So, why would we put our region at risk? The War on Totalitarianism must be handled strategically, and can't be rushed into, lest our region will soon fly under the flag of the Black Riders in retaliation, are you saying that this would be beneficial in anyway?
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