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Trick Shot wrote:really the only one here who said they were Nazis is u sir

Why are you even here?

Hallo Island wrote:Why are you even here?

don't u love how welcome u feel when u come to a region? ya feel right at home! [sarcasm]

Trick Shot wrote:don't u love how welcome u feel when u come to a region? ya feel right at home! [sarcasm]

well when you come in and start insulting people, no, you aren't welcome.

Hallo Island wrote:well when you come in and start insulting people, no, you aren't welcome.

my first ten posts were by all accounts a hit, then people started to forget logic and started jumping to conclusions

Everyone vote in the poll.

Can we stop with the God-damned ad hominems? Trick Shot has no idea what he's talking about, but Hallo Island, he doesn't deserve these crass insults. Debunk his argument intelligently.

Trick Shot wrote:don't u love how welcome u feel when u come to a region? ya feel right at home! [sarcasm]

If your blind as to why this is then I truly feel remorse for you. I am an extremely tolerant person, but you came in here as not even a citizen and are trying to tell us how to run things. If you want to run things so badly, follow the legal process. Your welcome to.. otherwise, what good are you doing here? Your opening your mouth on an issue that does not concern you in the slightest, simply for a cheap personal thrill.

Muh Roads wrote:If your blind as to why this is then I truly feel remorse for you. I am an extremely tolerant person, but you came in here as not even a citizen and are trying to tell us how to run things. If you want to run things so badly, follow the legal process. Your welcome to.. otherwise, what good are you doing here? Your opening your mouth on an issue that does not concern you in the slightest, simply for a cheap personal thrill.

I am not telling u how to run things. I am pointing out right snd wrong and debating it like this region should

But, it isn't right or wrong, and if you're debating, then I'm a commie.

Humpheria wrote:But, it isn't right or wrong, and if you're debating, then I'm a commie.

I would be debating if everybody with an eyeball and a keyboard was criticizing me and telling me to leave

Trick Shot wrote:What's interesting to note is that a few months ago I was part of the most feared people in NationStates.

I don't care if u used to have only few seats, what matters now is that almost any legislation supported solely by the RLP will most likely pass. This situation is how the ACA was passed: One party rule.

Trick Shot wrote:Okay. I was already gonna support you, but now its solid. I urge u to pursue amending it soon

Trick Shot wrote:I may be new to this region and I am not yet a citizen, but I urge all voters to remove the RLP's stronghold on this region. Remove the possibility of a one party region. This is not how it should work. So help me God, I will do all I can with my minimal influence among these people to ensure that if the RLP doesn't lose seats, that it doesn't gain.

Trick Shot wrote:I am not telling u how to run things. I am pointing out right snd wrong and debating it like this region should

Ill just leave this here. Contemplate what you have said from our standpoint.

They wouldn't be making you cry if you didn't deserve that. Respect is a two-way street. You started this. Don't whine about it.

Muh Roads wrote:Ill just leave this here. Contemplate what you have said from our standpoint.

I would think that trick shot is a damn welcome citizen whois concerned

Humpheria wrote:They wouldn't be making you cry if you didn't deserve that. Respect is a two-way street. You started this. Don't whine about it.

I certainly aint cryin

Muh Roads wrote:Ill just leave this here. Contemplate what you have said from our standpoint.

Thank you, Muh.

Trick Shot wrote:I would think that trick shot is a damn welcome citizen whois concerned

Or maybe a troll.

Trick Shot wrote:I would think that trick shot is a damn welcome citizen who is concerned

Of course you would. But you aren't. A citizen. You showed up and out of the gates did everything you could to insult the region.

Muh Roads wrote:Ill just leave this here. Contemplate what you have said from our standpoint.

I'd say he has a legit concern about one party becoming like Republicans and Democrats.

I honestly do believe that the RLP does have too much power in the region, but I am going about this problem democratically and peacefully.

Humpheria wrote:But, it isn't right or wrong, and if you're debating, then I'm a commie.

'Tatem.

Hallo Island wrote:I honestly do believe that the RLP does have too much power in the region, but I am going about this problem democratically and peacefully.

Thank you. That is all I ask. If you weren't running against Miencraft, I might be able to vote for you.

I'm endorsing [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] for Seat 4. He's a long-time veteran of the region, always votes from his heart, and is a really funny guy to boot.

I have an idea: lets turn the other cheek? I am sorry. I will try to work within the confines of your moral standard for a while. I will wait until I am a citizen to mouth off, but I may let some thinks through. Are there any objections to my apology and my decision to stay? Will you forgive me?

Trick Shot wrote:I have an idea: lets turn the other cheek? I am sorry. I will try to work within the confines of your moral standard for a while. I will wait until I am a citizen to mouth off, but I may let some thinks through. Are there any objections to my apology and my decision to stay? Will you forgive me?

I like you.

Pevvania wrote:I'm endorsing [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] for Seat 4. He's a long-time veteran of the region, always votes from his heart, and is a really funny guy to boot.

Come on... that's not the only reason is it?

Hallo Island wrote:I honestly do believe that the RLP does have too much power in the region, but I am going about this problem democratically and peacefully.

And you have my vote.

The Time Alliance wrote:I like you.

Come on... that's not the only reason is it?And you have my vote.

Thank you

Trick Shot wrote:I have an idea: lets turn the other cheek? I am sorry. I will try to work within the confines of your moral standard for a while. I will wait until I am a citizen to mouth off, but I may let some thinks through. Are there any objections to my apology and my decision to stay? Will you forgive me?

Much better. I think we can figure something out.

The Time Alliance wrote:Come on... that's not the only reason is it?

You know. Pev appointed Miencraft in the beginning. He wasn't in the RLP at that time. And even so, maybe he just doesn't like Hallo.

Humpheria wrote:Much better. I think we can figure something out.

You know. Pev appointed Miencraft in the beginning. He wasn't in the RLP at that time. And even so, maybe he just doesn't like Hallo.

Okay. Good

The Time Alliance wrote:Come on... that's not the only reason is it?

Well, he's been a resident of Libertatem longer than I have, and has an extensive knowledge of Libertatem's history and culture.

Maybe it's time for a newer candidate, huh?

This will be his 5th term. I do believe there should be a limit for consecutive terms.

Hallo Island wrote:Maybe it's time for a newer candidate, huh?

I do like you, Hallo, but politically I find you inexperienced. You have flip-flopped more than a few times, on parties and on the subject of the War.

Speaking of parties, what will the fate be of the Anarcho-Queer Party? Is it to lie an empty husk, or should it be officially disbanded?

I appreciate the support of Hallo regarding my candidacy and hold his frequent activity in high regards. Rarely do we receive new citizens who maintain their activeness in the game. It is certainly not that I am bottling against you, but rather I am voting for Miencraft .

During my tenure on the board he has proved himself to be level headed and rational when dealing with policy. He is unafraid to voice his concerns when dealing with new issues or legislation. Meincraft has been on the board for as long as I have been a member nation and is an institution in regional government. I consider him to be one of the most valued member nations in our regional government.

Our party labels should not define us, his tag of RLP will not influence my decision whatsoever. We must vote for the strongest of candidates and not base our judgment of party affiliation. I hope this puts to rest any lingering fears about a RLP conspiracy to push out all other contenders.

I would let out an endorsement, but I don't know if it would help or hurt

Trick Shot wrote:I have an idea: lets turn the other cheek? I am sorry. I will try to work within the confines of your moral standard for a while. I will wait until I am a citizen to mouth off, but I may let some thinks through. Are there any objections to my apology and my decision to stay? Will you forgive me?

You have a right to free speech here regardless. You can "mouth off" all you want. But don't expect to be treated with any kind of respect here considering the attitude that you have. You have nothing to apologize for.

Muh Roads wrote:You have a right to free speech here regardless. You can "mouth off" all you want. But don't expect to be treated with any kind of respect here considering the attitude that you have. You have nothing to apologize for.

So from now on I have no respect?

Hallo Island wrote:This will be his 5th term. I do believe there should be a limit for consecutive terms.

We dont have enough citizens for term limits.. and also why?

Trick Shot wrote:So from now on I have no respect?

Is that what I said?

Pevvania wrote:I do like you, Hallo, but politically I find you inexperienced. You have flip-flopped more than a few times, on parties and on the subject of the War.

Speaking of parties, what will the fate be of the Anarcho-Queer Party? Is it to lie an empty husk, or should it be officially disbanded?

Well, I have been active in politics here for a long time. I don't know how I am supposed to be experienced because it seems to be impossible to get into office without being in the RLP, and even if you are in the RLP, the primary makes it so the RLP can pick and choose who it wants to be elected before the candidate gets a chance to make a decision.

Muh Roads wrote:We dont have enough citizens for term limits.. and also why?

It was decided a long time ago that there would be no term limits. It would be a detriment.

Muh Roads wrote:Is that what I said?

Yes by your logic

Trick Shot wrote:Yes by your logic

Take it however you want to. It's your right, but I can tell you now that wasn't the intended message.

Hallo Island wrote:Well, I have been active in politics here for a long time. I don't know how I am supposed to be experienced because it seems to be impossible to get into office without being in the RLP, and even if you are in the RLP, the primary makes it so the RLP can pick and choose who it wants to be elected before the candidate gets a chance to make a decision.

That's how primaries work. The party decides who it sends to the primary. I can see your issue though. He wasn't commenting on your activity, he was saying that he disagrees with your politics. Although it seems like people have forgotten that it's not impossible for someone to vote on policy, rather than personal attacks and bullying.

Hallo Island wrote:Well, I have been active in politics here for a long time. I don't know how I am supposed to be experienced because it seems to be impossible to get into office without being in the RLP, and even if you are in the RLP, the primary makes it so the RLP can pick and choose who it wants to be elected before the candidate gets a chance to make a decision.

So if I joined the RLP I'd win everything?

The Time Alliance wrote:So if I joined the RLP I'd win everything?

Until we get more people that aren't of the same viewpoint, it would seem. There aren't enough non-Reaganists.

Hallo Island wrote:Well, I have been active in politics here for a long time. I don't know how I am supposed to be experienced because it seems to be impossible to get into office without being in the RLP, and even if you are in the RLP, the primary makes it so the RLP can pick and choose who it wants to be elected before the candidate gets a chance to make a decision.

Not true.. lack is LP, alchandria used to be LOP, Miencraft.. etc.

But you do make a good point. We are the majority party, so I would guess that would make things a bit difficult.

The Time Alliance wrote:So if I joined the RLP I'd win everything?

No.

Humpheria wrote:Until we get more people that aren't of the same viewpoint, it would seem. There aren't enough non-Reaganists.

Sadly this is true......

I honestly think that after these two elections the board will be under power of one party.

Is Attorney General and Minister of State voted on?

No. The only elected offices are Board and President, the rest are appointed by the President with Board approval.

Muh Roads wrote:No.

Tis a joke. Learn it.

Muh Roads wrote:Not true.. lack is LP, alchandria used to be LOP, Miencraft.. etc.

But you do make a good point. We are the majority party, so I would guess that would make things a bit difficult.

Majority? HECK your about to be the only Board Party....

Muh Roads wrote:We dont have enough citizens for term limits.. and also why?

We absolutely do. It would actually give other people ideas a change to be tried in government.

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The Time Alliance wrote:What?

That's crap...

Term limits are needed so that the government doesn't become mind you North Korean style.

This is incorrect if we had term limits. Assuming every citizen ran, we would only have enough citizens for two term limit lengths.

I have a question. You all believe in little to no Government.

So why do we even have a board or government in this region?

What if we did what Russia does only two terms in a row.

Humpheria wrote:This is incorrect if we had term limits. Assuming every citizen ran, we would only have enough citizens for two term limit lengths.

He means in a row. Not only elected twice them never again.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What if we did what Russia does only two terms in a row.

Boom.

I like this guy. Give him a prize.

If you want to get elected you need to bring in more bleeding-hearts. But the biggest problem is that we have too many branches of libertarians.

The Time Alliance wrote:Tis a joke. Learn it.Majority? HECK your about to be the only Board Party....

What? I can't contradict like you? :)

The Time Alliance wrote:I have a question. You all believe in little to no Government.

So why do we even have a board or government in this region?

Very few of us are anarchists.

Humpheria wrote:Very few of us are anarchists.

.......Fair point.

Muh Roads wrote:What? I can't contradict like you? :)

.....

3:-) No.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What if we did what Russia does only two terms in a row.

An interesting idea, if done properly. Perhaps we will debate it next legislative session.

Humpheria wrote:If you want to get elected you need to bring in more bleeding-hearts. But the biggest problem is that we have too many branches of libertarians.

Too many branches? What?

Humpheria wrote:An interesting idea, if done properly. Perhaps we will debate it next legislative session.

Oh my gosh me and Hallo literally said just that. Or I did at lest.

Hallo Island wrote:This will be his 5th term. I do believe there should be a limit for consecutive terms.

Consecutive is a key word here.

The Time Alliance wrote:I have a question. You all believe in little to no Government.

So why do we even have a board or government in this region?

Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall the region was originally founded to be ran like a private company . That is why it I called a board and not a congress or parliament.

The whole point of this game is founded on the necessity of the state ( literally called Nation STATES) so for us to be active and enjoy the game a regional government is a "necessary evil" if you will.

Humpheria wrote:Very few of us are anarchists.

*shyly raises hand

Lack There Of wrote:Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall the region was originally founded to be ran like a private company . That is why it I called a board and not a congress or parliament.

The whole point of this game is founded on the necessity of the state ( literally called Nation STATES) so for us to be active and enjoy the game a regional government is a "necessary evil" if you will.

I don't know how it's founded so... yah.

And a regional government is a necessary Goodness.

Lack There Of wrote:*shyly raises hand

Your an Anarchist?

That is exactly the purpose it was founded for. The Board will debate the term limit idea next session. With the election a month away. Please start sending me questions. They can be anything that you want to know.

The Time Alliance wrote:Your an Anarchist?

you're*

The Time Alliance wrote:Your an Anarchist?

*you're

Humpheria wrote:you're*

Lack There Of wrote:*you're

Look at us and our grammar

Humpheria wrote:you're*

Lack There Of wrote:*you're

Fricken Grammar Nazis.

grammatical fascism* lol

Humpheria wrote:That is exactly the purpose it was founded for. The Board will debate the term limit idea next session. With the election a month away. Please start sending me questions. They can be anything that you want to know.

Wait wait wait wait. You're going to have the board discuss limiting the time that they are in power? Really? The board obviously doesn't want term limits for the board, because they are the board.

I might loath the state, but language is essential to civilized society.

Hallo Island wrote:Wait wait wait wait. You're going to have the board discuss limiting the time that they are in power? Really? The board obviously doesn't want term limits for the board, because they are the board.

Ya know.. you ARE in the house presently.. and so is every registered citizen.. you can introduce a bill.

Would you rather the president and I have a discussion about it? =p

The Board doesn't decide. That's why I said debate, not vote. Do you doubt that we would be fair and listen to all sides? That hurts, man. It hurts.

I am opposed because I feel like it would get in the way of progress. The way I see it, if the people don't want someone to serve another term, they won't elect them. The Board isn't a lifetime position, you can vote someone out. It's just that we have more Reaganists than anyone else. Don't like, change it. You have that power. All of you.

Hallo Island wrote:This will be his 5th term.

*counts on fingers*

Ah, nope. I served a good few more, plus as Board Chairman during President Snabagag's time.

That said,

Vote Miencraft for Seat 4! We do stuff!

Hallo Island wrote:Wait wait wait wait. You're going to have the board discuss limiting the time that they are in power? Really? The board obviously doesn't want term limits for the board, because they are the board.

Well, my problem with the term limits is that no matter what they're going to be implemented poorly. There will always be some work-around unless we do it the way the U.S. President is done: serve X years, you're finished forever. But, if we do that, we'll soon run out of people to serve on the Board.

I, personally, would be against the term limits not because they're term limits, but because there is no way to implement them correctly. You could just have two people alternating power between themselves every couple of terms somehow.

It's better to just leave it to building up a good reputation and gathering support. As a former Chairman, I can say with certainty that this is exactly what the Board is about. You just need a reputation and support.

As could be expected, some people just have a little bit more support than others. But that's natural.

Hallo Island wrote:Wait wait wait wait. You're going to have the board discuss limiting the time that they are in power? Really? The board obviously doesn't want term limits for the board, because they are the board.

I like the 2 terms in a row like Russia idea from earlier. Maybe because our elections are monthly for board, we could do like 5 boards terms in a row and 2 president terms in a row?

You know. Since I've joined this region, I have been engaged to Pev and Muh Roads, for.... various reasons. So, why not.

Miencraft, you just put into words what I could not. Miencraft, will you marry me?

Miencraft has a good track record. I like both candidates, and both are ACOP supporters, but I'm going to have to side with Miencraft here.

Humpheria wrote:You know. Since I've joined this region, I have been engaged to Pev and Muh Roads, for.... various reasons. So, why not.

Miencraft, you just put into words what I could not. Miencraft, will you marry me?

The plot thickens.

Humpheria wrote:

Miencraft, will you marry me?

On one hand, this appeals to me.

On the other, I think I may have to leave to a state where that's legal.

Let the citizenry beware that Hallo only has two votes. Yrellian Confederacy is not a citizen. Under the FRAUD Act, his vote will not be counted.

Miencraft wrote:*counts on fingers*

Ah, nope. I served a good few more, plus as Board Chairman during President Snabagag's time.

Well, 5th documented.

Hallo Island wrote:Well, 5th documented.

Yeah. That's much more accurate.

And also it's the 5th countable one, since those days of old are merged mostly into one.

Were going to be homosexual polygamists? Only if I get to be the mom!

Also I just remembered that I was making a flag for Einsiev. I'll go do that.

The amount of obligations I have is great.

Muh Roads wrote:Were going to be homosexual polygamists? Only if I get to be the mom!

But who will be muh patriarch?

We'll guys, I'm home!

Humpheria wrote:Let the citizenry beware that Hallo only has two votes. Yrellian Confederacy is not a citizen. Under the FRAUD Act, his vote will not be counted.

Yep. Citizens register is in my factbook.

Miencraft wrote:Also I just remembered that I was making a flag for Einsiev. I'll go do that.

The amount of obligations I have is great.

But who will be muh patriarch?

I figured Humpheria, since ya know.. he proposed.

Miencraft wrote:Also I just remembered that I was making a flag for Einsiev. I'll go do that.

The amount of obligations I have is great.

But who will be muh patriarch?

Thanks Mien!

I will be happy to be the patriarch. Pev wanted a divorce right away, it's a shame he didn't stick around.

Two days from now, Humpherian citizens will celebrate the semi-bicentennial! Two days from now will also mark my 150th day in Libertatem!

I'm pretty sure Pev divorced you for me, Humpheria.

Congratulations!!!

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