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Region: Libertatem
You're right in saying it's anecdotal, yeah. It was somewhat directed towards a really strange section of people I've met, usually my age or a bit older, who literally just decide to hate any lgbt+ people they know for basically no reason besides that theyre different. When I posted that it came off as all being one big paragraph, but I meant to split it up after the first sentence. The whole fake "family-values" thing is something I can go off on for hours about but I wasn't just trying to cheap shot at religion.
I was also probably a bit too harsh with my wording
The New United States, Rateria, West Smolcasm
I was raised southern Baptist so that's probably why I've seen such an extreme view of Christianity. The slavery comment was in reference to "slaves obey your masters." The genocide comment was about the numerous people it calls for stoning such as gays.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45442596
It's ridiculous that these people are putting the blame for homelessness on capitalism ("victims of... prosperity"? What?!?) and on a lack of federal funding for "affordable housing." The government is the problem in the first place. The author notes that homelessness declined in 30 states but surged in California, Oregon, and Washington, yet doesn't even think critically about why that really might be.
Get draconian zoning laws out of the way and let capitalists do their job.
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria
For those in the United States who haven't fallen for the Cultural Marxist lies, Happy Columbus Day.
Pevvania, The New United States, The United States Of Patriots
The best holiday behind Easter, Christmas, the 4th, and Constitution Day. :)
I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed that Columbus was an awful dude. Go ahead and read his own writings.
Miencraft, Rateria, West Smolcasm
I did in high school -- his journal, book of prophecies, some of his miscellaneous writings, and his heirs' lawsuits against the Spanish Crown. His book of prophecies was a chore because the only copy I could obtain was in Old Italian from a Jesuit Library (pre-internet era). Like all men he was a creature of his times, flawed in the chronological snobbery from us in the 21st Century who are morally superior and know much better how a medieval Genoan should have lived his life than he did. However, he was an unbelievably brave visionary who transformed our world. So happy Columbus Day. :)
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria
https://babylonbee.com/news/revolutionary-thinker-suggests-columbus-bad
"The 21st-century blogger took a brave stand against 15th-century colonialism."
Miencraft
I just see him as extraordinarily dumb.
He only set out going west because he thought the Earth was smaller than literally everyone else on the planet had known it to be for thousands of years.
If not for the fact that this continent had been here the whole time, he'd have just died at sea and nobody would remember him. He got lucky.
Rateria, West Smolcasm
hmmmmm
The New United States
Responding to the discussion over the abolition of the Republic: the idea of a Discord chat being the 'owner' of a region is antithetical to the founding ideals of the region. I realize that we've faced challenges over the last couple of years, but burying our heads in the sand is not the way to face them. Perhaps we could create a new constitution incorporating elements of the first that restricts the size of government? Maybe it's time to return to the old corporate model of old, i.e. 'snap' elections based on WA Delegacy and an appointed Board? I think this would serve us well considering how small the active population is.
Whatever we do, I don't want to see this great region that I've worked so hard on to slip into the abyss.
The New United States, West Smolcasm
He wasn't the brightest burnished brass in the bazaar, but he was persistent.
The New United States, Rateria
He's from the 1500s ffs, all people did was conquer each other back then
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I love the arguments that cite capitalism as being the "cause" of poverty. Extreme, absolute poverty is the natural state of mankind, and was the norm until the free market developed out of the ashes of feudalism. Far from being the cause, capitalism is the one and only antidote to poverty, squalor, disease and ignorance.
The New United States, Rateria, West Smolcasm
Everyone else in the region: *Laughs in Europa Universalis IV*
Miencraft, The New United States, The United States Of Patriots, West Smolcasm
begone Drumphfter, the Earth is flat
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria
So what? He's a historical figure. We celebrate the achievements of flawed and indeed evil men all the time. Condemning men that died one, two or five hundred years ago and attempting to erase them from history is little more than intellectual masturbation. If the anti-Columbus crowd were sincere about their opposition to this man, they'd move to Europe. But they don't, because they enjoy the fruits of European colonization of the Americas.
Criticize and illuminate the record of the man all you want - which in many cases is appalling - but pretending that he didn't exist or had no positive impact is virtue signalling of the highest degree.
The New United States, Rateria
CNN headline in 2118:
"Today the City of Chicago voted unanimously to close the Obama Presidential Center after months of protests. Progressive activists chanting 'homophobes have got to go' cite the 44th president's opposition to same-sex marriage in 2008 and deportation of undocumented immigrants as why the historical 'white supremacist's' presidential center should be closed for good.
Next week walk or crawl down to see the closure of the world's last automobile factory in Detroit, after cars were banned last year for paying tribute to 'historical antisemite and Nazi collaborator' Henry Ford."
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria
I never said not to celebrate Columbus day or what he did wasn't important. I'm saying that we also need to recognize that he also did some pretty horrible things. Downplaying near-genocide just because he mistakenly found our continent is ignorant of history. And what do you mean move to Europe? Why should someone move out of their homeland just because they don't like the guy who found it?
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight, West Smolcasm
I dont think that Jaden is trying to deny Columbus existence or erase him from the record. Hes saying that while Columbus has a significant impact on the history of the world, he was far from perfect.
Miencraft, Einsiev, Jadentopian Order, Highway Eight
Wait what
Rateria
Columbus wasn't even the first European to make it to America, Leif Erikson did it first and there's even a bit of evidence to suggest an Irish preist did it even before then. Columbus was only relevant because European monarchs happened to have massive armies at the time and were looking to expand, thus enters the new world, and to them it really was a new world, the old world had the baggage of empires rising and falling, ruins of ancient peoples of many cultures, here, in the new world was a blank slate, a place of adventure and novelty. They get there and encounter peoples with bronze age tech at best for some tribes and stone age at worst for others, who were also busy fighting each other. Any logical thought surrounding this would realize what would happen very quickly.
Miencraft, Rateria
chad leif erikson vs. the virgin columbus
go
Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, West Smolcasm
False
We need a law to "Recognize the Accomplishments of Koalas" like all the other progressive regions
Well at least we are both being anecdotal
Rateria
I think tying power to the WA delegate is a bad idea.
Rateria
Indeed; my power must be absolute
I concur. Power should be tied to me.
Bend the knee
there's no lie here
Rateria
Lief Eriksson didn't exist. He was Icelandic, AKA a fable.
Miencraft
God is a concept by which we measure our pain
also happy birthday john lennon
Rateria
this really beats my wife
Pevvania
https://local.theonion.com/man-always-gets-little-rush-out-of-telling-people-john-1819578998
I'm sorry for everything
Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Jadentopian Order
I'm surprised "dead" isn't a poll option
ftl
Rateria
Yay, I win
Says who? I WIN!
[A frankly quite gigantic starship falls out of FTL, braking hard against the skein of space, swerving slightly but keeping traction, and falls into orbit of the star system. Or planet. Or something. Frankly, the ship's Mind may have hit the proverbial bottle a bit hard last night, and so isn't quite sure. At any rate, soon a small hatch opens and a silvery-skinned humanoid not wearing any sort of spacesuit emerges, standing on the outside surface of the absurdly vast hull. It tries to begin to speak, but then appears to silently laugh to itself. It holds up a hand and waves in a friendly manner; you know, the sort of way you would if, while enveloped in the cold vacuum of space, you nonetheless wanted to say something like:]
"Greetings and salutations to Libertatem from the General Systems Vehicle Of The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints! I've arrived from the region/star system Anarchy where something of a debate is underway concerning your request for an embassy. I've (that is, the Moral Constraints) noticed that you've sent many such requests to a variety of "left-wing" (to turn a Low-Level phrase) regions, and that they seem to be routinely rejected. Indeed, Anarchy's hang-up seems to be over the "conservative" and "capitalist" phrases used as descriptors for Libertatem. Now naturally, given the vast intelligence of a Culture Mind like myself, I could just spend some time in Infinite Fun Space to figure things out, but I'm feeling lazy and figured just asking "why your interest in 'left-wing' regions?" would be easier. So, yes. That."
[The ship's avatar continues to stand in silence, smiling with hands folded neatly behind the back, patently waiting for a response while slowly turning an impressive if somewhat disturbing shade of blue]
The New United States, Rateria
I believe that I have a simple answer for you: memes.
Jadentopian Order
[Raises an eyebrow up and down repeatedly, in Morse code fashion:]
Is there some intended meaning or purpose, or is it mostly a poking-a-Mind-with-a-stick kind of thing?
The New United States, Rateria
Thats a good question. I suppose that you would be better off asking our leader, Highway Eight.
[The ship's avatar extends its arms out to full length, and two silvery ellipsoids briefly form at each hand, quickly replaced by semaphore signal flags]
Very well, I, um..oh...
[In the avatar's hypoxic state, the added physical effort caused it to lose consciousness. It falls backwards and clangs gently to the cold, hard hull. A suitcase-sized drone with transparent body emerges from the hatch and carries the stricken avatar away. A second, identical avatar emerges from the hatch and retrieves the flags.]
That's a new record. Not bad.
[A second pair of flags poke out of the hatch]
Thank you!
[The new, only faintly blue, avatar finally carries on]
But of course!
Right. Very well. I call upon Highway Eight. Is there some purpose or intent behind Libertatem's embassy requests of "left-wing" regions, given almost certain rejection? Or is it just a poking-stick thing?
The New United States, Rateria
I didn't mean to imply Jaden was doing that, but the activist left most certainly are trying to erase Columbus from history by removing his statues and trying to get rid of Columbus Day. What I'm saying is I don't see the point in that, because the logical conclusion of absolute opposition towards Columbus is opposition towards the colonization of America and modern western civilization. Therefore, any of the leftists that harp on about genocide and 'righting the wrongs' of the past should stop benefiting from him and leave.
The New United States, Rateria
That is not a logical, but a fallacious, conclusion. Opposition to an atrocity, or its cause, is not the same as opposition to any good things that have happened since then or because of it; were it that it were, I could "logically conclude" that anyone who is content with the societal and technological progress mankind has made since the last great mass murder (however one may choose to define that) is either an advocate of genocide or intellectually dishonest.
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The Niceties Of Normal Moral Constraints
I'll get to those replies in the morning, probably.
Red state Democratic Senators be like "hello fellow Trump supporters! Don't you just love shootin' an assault gun at the range after drinking a cold one with your MAGA hat wearing friends? So what's the deal with illegal immigration?? Haha please vote for me"
The New United States
We need to have a 'reset president'. One term, or at least unconcerned about re-election, and willing to do the unpopular things to rescue this country and restore the Constitution. Veto every budget that does not balance and force Congress to confront entitlements. Commission an independent audit of the Federal Reserve. Overturn as many executive orders as possible. Veto any bill that is not explicitly tied to one of the Enumerated Powers. Return the US to the gold standard. Give clemency or pardon to every single nonviolent drug offender in the country.
Many of these decisions would be 'bad politics', but if successfully implemented would totally reorient the executive's relationship to Congress, and the government's relationship to the people. Basically I want another Grover Cleveland - totally unconcerned with the glories and trappings of the office, and instead dedicated to the role of constitutional defender.
The New United States
The very concept is 'bad politics' in the sense that your proposed solution to misrepresentative decision-making is, in a nutshell, misrepresentative decision-making. This is not to say that pluralities of voters are always right, or that a tyranny by majority isn't possible; the issue is more that to neglect the populace one governs outside of what the initial draft of a 231-year-old document prescribes is to miss the point of politics entirely. As arbitrary and unfair as many modern-day political decisions may seem (or even be, in many cases), these flaws would only be more prominent if a head of state were to make those decisions as though it were 1787, or at least as though the concerns of the general public today are less relevant than traditional legislation.
I can understand the position that the United States Constitution ought to be followed to the letter on account of its prescience and status as the fundamental law of the land, but in practice - irrespective of the intentions of its writers - it is a living document that derives its legitimacy from the sovereign authority of the people (and those they choose to represent them), and is therefore subject to contemporary interpretations and applications. If there is a merit to Founder-era ideals that the people of this day and age have overlooked, the challenge lies in bringing these to the fore and popularizing them, not in going behind the backs of those who grant this document its practical power.
Indeed, what I see as the primary flaw of what I call 'undo button' conservatism (and I mean conservatism in the philosophical sense) is that reverting a government to a previous version, so to speak, would likely result in a cavalcade of unwanted or even unanticipated externalities. Were it that it re-establishing the status quo ante were as simple as overturning an order, there would be no price for progress that could not be paid by reverting it, and no hindrance to utopian ambitions beyond our politicians' reluctance to enact new policies. Instead, we live in a world where "repealing" even one facet of government not enumerated in the Constitution might do far more to harm the general welfare than promote it; solving problems in the domain of public policy requires a degree of nuance that makes politically reactionary concepts seem comparatively reductive regardless of how eloquently they are described.
It suits libertarians more than most to understand that there is no silver bullet to the overreach of a state, not even the document that supposedly created it. After all, what is a state if not an amalgamation of individuals who make individual decisions, yet forsake responsibility for most of them by cowering behind the shield of sovereign immunity and monopolization of legitimate force? A single, unified effort will not thwart the state's infringement on the inherent rights of individuals because the state is not truly single and unified; liberty must instead be won by convincing individuals of its value until it is commonly accepted that those who seek to deprive others of rights must make their case to society rather than using force to get their way. This necessitates the limitation and division of power by way of cooperation between individuals - what you suggest is concentrating power in the hands of a single moral agent for the sake of enforcing legislation that itself established a concentration of power, which would almost certainly be counterproductive at best in achieving this libertarian tenet even if the intention is the same.
We cannot trust in a leader figure to save us from unjust concentrations of power; power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all men are corruptible. We should instead endeavor to conceive of more pragmatic ideas that not only advance the cause of liberty, but can be acted upon incrementally by even the least politically powerful individual.
The issue is the necessary and proper clause which has allowed congress to pretty much run away with power.
Depends on the specific region. Those "authoritarian" socialists (i.e. North Korea) are purely for the memes. But I have no issue with regions like Anarchy, and I don't suppose many people here do.
The New United States, Rateria, The Niceties Of Normal Moral Constraints
[The ship's avatar smiles and bows low, before disappearing back down the hatch, securing it with a mostly imagined clang. 'Cause, you know, vacuum. After a moment, the hundred kilometer long starship turns over a couple of times -- come on, come on...there we go! -- and slowly reverses into position to jump to FTL, hitting a previously unseen Lagrangian bollard marker in the process. Turns out tens of kilometers wide brake light lenses are expensive to repair.]
[Damn it.]
[The ship disappears in a flash.]
The New United States, Rateria
All top four options of the poll are equally correct.
Rateria
Wow this place has changed a lot
Rateria, Highway Eight, West Smolcasm
Took a gander over at Anarchy...
"I suspect that a drone dispatched to Libertatem would retrieve almost precisely the same response. Simply because the debate is between two systems of rationing under the same essential economic conditions, and thus vulnerable to precisely the same corruption and skulduggery."
"...but the Moral Constraints got the urge to go investigate Libertatem directly. There appears to be something of a debate over an Earthling named "Christopher Columbus" going on. Might suggest the place isn't the uniformly soulless ideological pit it might turn out to be anyway..."
"In fact, the "leftist/anti-colonial weenies are hypocrites who hate civilization and need to shut up" side just got, in Ancient Earth terminology if I'm not mistaken, "p0wn3d."
"...me thinks, is that one should establish diplomatic relations with Libertatem if only for the purposes of continued data collection and verification..."
They also appear to be very anti-free will, they roleplay as sentient A.I and refer to people, including us as "goobags" basically they're so condescending they literally think of themselves as more evolved.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
bruh what
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria
Oh wow, welcome back.
Rateria, West Smolcasm
You know, I don't particularly like Christopher Colombus, he's just an average 15th century conqueror like everyone else in his time, not to mention the fact he didn't actually discover the Americas, but comments like that make me want to like him just to spite those libcoms.
P.S. I did leave out that the guy who was here commended us on their board for poking fun at authoritarians, so, there's one redeeming comment.
Rateria
By the way, while I was over there I couldn't help but notice that their region has twice the number of nations, I know we've had the conversation about NationStates dying and recruitment failing and whatnot, but can't we do something? Anything at all? Can we at least set a small but reasonable goal? Let's get up to 100 nations. That's a 100% increase. Let's get some punching power, this is a pretty old region so we probably have a lot of expats and brand recognition.
The New United States, West Smolcasm
[A roughly meter-and-a-bit tall silver ellipsoid momentarily appears, nearly knocking over one of those vases like always happens in those made-for-TV physical comedies. You know the ones, right? Anyway, the avatar that replaces said ellipsoid catches the vase and sets it back up right with a light touch. A pair of reading glasses emerge out of the avatar's face, and it begins reading a prepared statement:]
Greetings and salutations again! Just wanted to (quite literally) pop back in real quick to reassure everyone that the ideas and opinions and expressions used by the GSV Of The Niceties Of Normal Moral Constraints, and other sub-ships so associated, represent those of the said GSV, and no one else, incidentally or intentionally, living or dead, Stored or Sublimed. My expressions are my own, and not those of Anarchy.
[Another of those suitcase-sized drones appears over the avatar's shoulder, this time dressed in a well-fitting suit and tie, and appears to whisper into the avatar's ear. The avatar whispers back:]
But they are "goobags!" How else do you describe biological life? "Primordal soup" seems to be a fairly well-accepted description, and it's almost exactly the same! A living cell, by definition, is a bag of protein goo! Of course they're people with rights and dignity, no one is denying that, and it doesn't need to be specifically emphasized because it is so patently obvious!
[The drone whispers some more. The avatar seems to give in.]
I also apologize for the use of the phrase "goobag," as apt as it may be. At any rate, as can be observed in my various Factbooks and Dispatches, the Moral Constraints is home to a large population of pan-humans, who, we would respectfully note, enjoy ribbing the ship as much as the ship enjoys returning the favor.
[More whispering]
And yes, under the advice of council, I promise to stop with the "goobag" thing.
[<sigh>]
Also, on a side note, it's not so much that I'm "anti" free will, so much as I'm skeptical of its actual influence on events even if it exists. This extends, by the way, to any free will that even a Mind like myself might possess -- we are not exempt, as brilliant as we are. And, as detailed in the discussion of this topic one of my sub-ships engaged in over in Anarchy (presumably to a roughly equal level of annoyance on their part), even if free will turns out to not exist, it is probably a good idea for us to still behave as if it does.
At any rate, micromanaging a GSV-sized population would be extremely tiring.
Rateria, Skaveria
Thanks for clearing that up, personally I'm of the opinion that free-will and determinism aren't effectively different, whether the universe is dependent on the choices of sentient beings or those sentient being's choices are dependent on the universe does not change what the universe is in any way. So the debate to me is essentially meaningless and circular. I agree that it would be best and ethical to act as if free will exists even if it doesn't.
Rateria
[The avatar's reading glasses morph in shape, to those big circular lenses like Ancient Earth philosophers used to wear.]
Yep, if only because undue interference would make the goo...[<ahem>]...rights-holding and dignified persons act in uncharacteristic and unnatural ways, thereby tainting the outcome of the Real simulation. Any sociopolitical outcome, in that event, would be immediately suspect.
Rateria
Definitions make the argument and context wins it. In a frame where there is no irresistible force there can be no immovable object and vice versa. Much of that problem (especially in Naturalism of the 20th Century's denial of Objective Reason in the philosophical sense) is unreasonably defined terms masked as informed reason that leads to unsound conclusions -- and incoherent results.
If it is not the cry of the Narcissist (Everyone else's fault but mine), it is that of the wrecking crew living in ruins (Everything thing else needs demolished if not for earning a living, at least for slowly making their own abode look better if not normal by demolishing all else). If humans have a soul then free will does exist, and we need not make a mere legal fiction of it. If humans truly have no soul --mere molecules in motion, then nothing matters except Solipsistic ("Why-am-I-not-50-points-higher-in-the-polls-you-might-ask!)" Narcissism.
Rateria
If that is so, then how does one choose to embrace that philosophy?
I contend that it is illogical to embrace a philosophy that is incongruous with the axiom of free will, regardless of whether or not it is truly an axiom. If there is no choice, one cannot determine their own philosophy anyway; if there is, why believe that there isn't?
Rateria, Metis Alberta
dab
Rateria
See, there's literally nothing stopping you from recruiting. If you want to see more nations, try to get them here. NS is still dying, and an indicator of this would be its Alexa rank dropping every month.
Miencraft, Rateria
I agree that there is free will, but there are those who don't. Much of it is in definition. If one a priori defines it out of hand (such as with Logical Positivism, Materialistic Naturalism and its ken) that man's soul (or capacity for free will) exists except as an illusion/delusion that must be debunked, it is follows to deny their existence -- consequences be damned. Objective Realists tend to define free will to mean choosing to do according to one's nature the one's utmost desire possible (at that time and juncture). It clarifies a lot of ambiguity and mental gymnastics.
Rateria
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=32844488
I pushed hard for the embassy everyone, the comrades just weren't down.
Rateria, Highway Eight
If only you had used the powers of logic...
You see, you claimed that this embassy would designate this region as your trophy.
It is a tradition for one to keep a trophy of their victory.
Conservatives value tradition, ergo conservatives like trophies.
Political satirists value conservatives because they like to make fun of them.
Satirists make fun of the right because of the right's terrible ideas regarding social inequality.
Terrible ideas regarding social inequality could be called a 'bad death deterrent'.
If you rearrange the letters in 'bad death deterrent' you get 'better dead than red'.
What is meant by 'better dead than red'? Why, a rhyme, of course!
You know who makes rhymes? Poets.
Great poets aren't appreciated in their lifetimes.
Also not appreciated in his lifetime: Vincent Van Gogh.
His Portrait of Dr. Gatchet sold for $82.5 million in 1990.
Do you know what $82.5 million means? You guessed it - capitalism!
Capitalism is an oppressive ideology because it supposes the primacy of capital letters over lowercase letters.
Most lowercase letters are shorter than their uppercase cousins.
Similarly, dwarves, halflings, and gnomes are shorter than humans.
Those are fantasy races. Another example of a fantasy: Trickle-down economics.
Things are known to trickle down because of gravity, not money; for instance, fluids, like water.
Fascists drink water.
Uneducated, impressionable, desperate masses drink fascist ideology. Masses... mass...
Mass is a measure of a physical body's resistance to acceleration when a net force is applied.
Nets don't exert much force because they're full of holes.
You know what else is full of holes? An argument that power can be concentrated in the hands of a few and not be abused.
Arguments occur when people fight.
People tend to fight over God, glory, and gold.
Gold rhymes with sold.
Businessmen sell things. They also perpetuate a corrupt system that encourages if not mandates the exploitation of the poor.
Being poor is the number one cause of poverty.
That was a statistic, which is one of three types of lies. The other two are lies and damned lies.
Damn is a curse word.
Witches inflict curses.
Backwards, moralizing reactionaries kill or torture people they suspect of being witches.
These suspicions are nothing more than a superstition.
"Superstition" was a 1972 Stevie Wonder song.
Stevie Wonder can not see. Not see... Nazi!
The Nazis were German political figures.
Karl Marx was a German political theorist.
Anyone who doubts this is a liar.
If you take the letters L and I, from liar, and replace them with A and R, from liar, in Karl, you get 'Kill Marx'.
'Kill Marx' is a short phrase, much unlike this series of leaps of logic, which is probably making you want to sit down and have a cup of tea.
But you can't do that, you see, because proper tea is theft! And we all know who said that...
And do you know who commits theft, particularly against the proletariat? All of the various ideologues I've mentioned so far!
'So far' contains five letters.
There are five letters in 'Satan'.
The existence of a Satan supposes a god.
But as all communists know, there is no room for a god in a stateless, classless, and moneyless society, and that is where your attempt at persuasion fell completely apart.
In conclusion, by pushing for an embassy between Libertatem and North Korea, you accidentally admitted you aren't a leftist because you believe in God. Hopefully next time you won't commit such an egregious fallacy.
Miencraft, Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order, Highway Eight
A condemnation would be nice. All our hard work and we can't even get a nomination.
Miencraft, Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order, West Smolcasm
We should just start raiding random regions
Rateria, Skaveria, West Smolcasm
Maybe we could create regions and then raid them for the sheer meme value.
Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria, West Smolcasm
Maybe we could create a bunch of leftist regions, gain nations, then simultaneously let them all get raided, thus displacing all of them.
Rateria, West Smolcasm
I see the merit in that, but for some reason, my idea sounds really funny to me. I just imagine there being a region called Libertatem 2, then raiding it.
West Smolcasm
Red Fleet would be like: "LIBERTATEM REDUCED TO FAKING RAIDS"
Miencraft, Rateria, Skaveria, West Smolcasm
Youre right.
Us: Chill, its a meme.
TRF: Thats a defense to hide your truly pathetic state from the world! The proletariat will win in the end! The clock is ticking, and time is running out for the capitalist scum on NationStates!
West Smolcasm
That happened once
Rateria
So apparently Jews are the master race...
Republic Of Minerva, Rateria
capitalists owned, epic style
The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria, West Smolcasm
Well yes, but it's been deliberately misinterpreted as I'm sure you know. It is supposed to be tied to an existing enumerated power, which since the so-called 'switch in time that saved nine', has been completely ignored.
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order
I knew we were under North Korea's thumb all this time.
What if Pev is actually V Ming and this has been a setup?
So did I miss something or did they actually invade in that time the flag was changed? I assumed that was for the meme.
Rateria
We were tag raided once a very long time ago, when regional officers first came out and we hadn't quite figured the new mechanics out enough to realize we should have made the Delegacy non-executive and established the President as an officer position.
That's the only thing I can think of, recent or otherwise.
Most recently, yes, we changed our flag to the Libertatem Commune flag to have some fun with it.
Rateria, West Smolcasm
How about Fauxahontas? I mean... To think that you could just release information that directly contradicts your claim and just expect the media to lie and cover for you. Disgusting. Warren 2020 is done, I'm calling it here. Quote me. Harris or Booker will destroy her in the primaries.
In other news, I'm thinking about switching my party affiliation from Libertarian back to unaffiliated. I'm not a purist Libertarian and I really only switched so I could call myself a big L. It was pretty much an ego thing. Albeit I agree with 80% of Libertarianism, the actual party is way too purist for me. I also would like to vote in whatever primary I damn well please come election time. I believe you have to be in the party or unaffiliated to do so in my state. I don't even know how to vote in the Libertarian primaries. I've considered going full Republican, but I have too many radical opinions on drugs and such, not to mention It'd make me feel like a sellout *cough* Austin Peterson *cough* Gary Johnson *cough*
Pevvania
I just affiliated republican, I want to be able to vote in the primaries as well as try to move the republican party to be better for the liberty movement. The Libertarian Party is a joke unfortunately
Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria
Thats what Ive heard. I heard that it got infiltrated by Bleeding-Heart Libertarians and/or social justice warriors. I dont know how true this is though.
The New United States
More likely it's been "infiltrated" by people who dislike government but don't really get politics, folks who are getting a little too into ancap memes, and/or Republicans who realized they like weed
Capital-L Libertarianism in the United States is only superficially related to the political philosophy of the same name, I think.
Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Well being nuanced is out of style, people wanna be something simple, a "full-blown ancap," a "Republican except but weed tho."
Nobody likes to describe themselves as "kind of a minarchist, but I object to abortion for ethical reasons, borders should be a thing, and I'd like a strong military, but I'm anti-interventionist, and also weed tho"
Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, West Smolcasm
This except I really ought to flip registration to Democrat just to try to poke those guys in the right direction in primaries.
Of course, it'd just be one sensible vote out of millions of New Yorkers, which is why I haven't done that, but either way the major parties' primaries are way too valuable to pass up.
The New United States, Rateria
Closed primaries are harmful and only serve to keep the 2 party system in power.
West Smolcasm
I'd considered joining the College Democrats before, just to be the guy that objects to everything.
Rateria
I affiliate with three parties, Constitution (US Taxpayer), Local County Republican (with objection to its affiliation to the GOPRNC), and Libertarian. One of the ways to stop the false dichotomy between the Repucrats and Demoblicans is to go to as many organizations as will have you and bring as many from each to the others. Great dialogue and great fun -- sometimes, when someone brings pizza and chips. The local Democrats don't seem to be very friendly at times.
Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I will say, there's no comparing the Democrats to Republicans, that may have flied in 2010, before the Dems legitimately lost their minds, but as of right now, Republicans are a head cold, Democrats are cancer.
Pevvania, Narland, The United States Of Patriots
Maybe, but the alternative is an ideological label devoid of any nuance besides whatever stereotypes one might assign to it.
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Rateria
What do we think of Kamala Harris's tax credit proposal?: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-amid-2020-rumors-floats-500-a-month-tax-credit
In the words of Milton Friedman, I support a tax cut for any reason at any time. But an important caveat of this proposal is that it's refundable, so a family could receive more than they owe in taxes - a straight up redistribution of money. That's where I draw the line, but I'd fully support this proposal if it were non-refundable.
Narland
For all my fellow Americans, don't forget to vote in the midterms. This is important, all the work we've done is on the line, if Democrats win, they'll seek revenge on liberty-minded Americans who showed the country what fools they are.
Rateria
Please register and vote (in your respective jurisdictions, of course) and vote every election. Vote your conscience. Remember there are many parties out there (unless you live in a statist mockery of a country). Check out the Libertarian, Constitution, Reform, Parties amongst others.
Rateria
Thinking Reps are more pro-liberty than Dems is low iq
Rateria, Jadentopian Order, West Smolcasm
Register to vote and vote with whoever you agree with and also end the 2 party system
Rateria
This, unironically
The whole "vote Republican if you love the country, vote anything else if you'd see it destroyed" line of rhetoric only serves to enable corruption and statism. In times like these, we need legislators who comprehend political science and are willing to use this understanding to serve the people. The GOP is not offering such candidates; in an effort to "drain the swamp" of supposed elitists, they fan the flames of anti-intellectualism by sending "outsiders" to Washington. Terms like "career politician," rather than being a label to denote one's qualifications for public office, are instead used by the conservative media as a personal attack on their often more seasoned opponents - an accusation of petty self-interest, seldom found with any compelling justification for why their own candidate has the moral high ground.
The Republican Party seeks to convince us of tales that are simply too tall not to be true, or so they wish us to believe: The Democrats are obsessed with nominating celebrities - our idols Reagan, Schwarzenegger, and Trump sure make them look stupid! The Democrats are out to infringe upon our Constitutional rights like terrorists - which, incidentally, can only be fought by restricting civil freedoms! Liberty is never more than one generation away from extinction - speaking of extinction, you can never have too many nuclear weapons or too much military funding! We need tax cuts to improve the purchasing power of the average American - that money needs to come from somewhere, so let's slash the welfare budget and reduce the number of government jobs! The government fails at everything it sets out to do - we'll prove it by actively sabotaging its endeavors!
Sure, the Dems aren't perfect - I mean, they consider fools like Hillary Clinton their vanguard, and they're learning all the wrong lessons from the Trump presidency! - but most of their candidates are demonstrably well-intentioned and somewhat cognizant of political realities. That's not to say the GOP doesn't have shades of integrity and intellect in its candidates too, but their current strategy makes these things take a back seat to misleading voters into distrusting experts and instead putting their trust in demagogues to appeal to their dissatisfaction with a system no one but a slimy "career politician" could comprehend (supposedly). Until they change this strategy to one more conducive to upholding the rights of the people, I feel the Republicans should be made to pay for it at the polls.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Repuplicans are obviously more pro-liberty than Democrats. Look at the diversity of thought within the Republican party, there's neo-conservatism, conservatarianism, conservatism with more of a nationalist edge to it, among others. Democrats basically have two factions, they all pretty much think the same thing, but the Sanders/Cortez wing of the party wants to focus on class while the Warren/Booker wing focuses on race. The blue dogs are dead. Look at Jim Web in the Democratic primaries. It looked like he stepped out of a time machine. He bragged about killing Communists in Vietnam, which elicited offended gaspes from the crowd. Wonder why? Because a lot of them ARE Communists. The DNC screwed Sanders out of the election, he should've been the nominee. Trump became the nominee in spite of the efforts of the GOP. I could go into more detail, but I'll leave it there for now. By the way, calling an argument you don't agree with "low IQ" isn't actually an argument.
Pevvania
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