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*peaks from behind a rock* Everything cool? We all cool now?

Just wanna say something. You are all contradicting yourself. It's not okay for the Government to infringe on speech but it's okay for a private company to?

-notice this isn't towards the mods. This is towards libertarians here.-

The Time Alliance wrote:Just wanna say something. You are all contradicting yourself. It's not okay for the Government to infringe on speech but it's okay for a private company to?

-notice this isn't towards the mods. This is towards libertarians here.-

Yes,This site is property of the great max Barry. The Government belongs to us.

The Time Alliance wrote:Just wanna say something. You are all contradicting yourself. It's not okay for the Government to infringe on speech but it's okay for a private company to?

-notice this isn't towards the mods. This is towards libertarians here.-

Go play Cybernations if you want complete freedom.

The Time Alliance wrote:Just wanna say something. You are all contradicting yourself. It's not okay for the Government to infringe on speech but it's okay for a private company to?

-notice this isn't towards the mods. This is towards libertarians here.-

It's just not worth arguing over, if he ceased to exist that would be another thing but he is going to be back in a week. I pick meaningful battles this is not a meaningful battle.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Go play Cybernations if you want complete freedom.

Cybernations is TERRIBLE.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Go play Cybernations if you want complete freedom.

Einsiev wrote:Cybernations is TERRIBLE.

The Time Alliance wrote:Just wanna say something. You are all contradicting yourself. It's not okay for the Government to infringe on speech but it's okay for a private company to?

-notice this isn't towards the mods. This is towards libertarians here.-

And you seem like a pretty smart and sensible guy so I hope you understand where I am coming from.

Belliger wrote:And you seem like a pretty smart and sensible guy so I hope you understand where I am coming from.

Yeah.... I do...

I'm just noting it seems a little contradictory.

The Time Alliance wrote:Yeah.... I do...

I'm just noting it seems a little contradictory.

The contract made by people and businesses are legitimate, they are made in real time without any coercion.

The "contract" between the people and the government is not.

The Time Alliance wrote:Yeah.... I do...

I'm just noting it seems a little contradictory.

I can understand that and just know I am all for freedom of speech, but there are rules that need to be followed and upheld even if they seem strange at times.

So anyways. I am working on two political books at the moment.

http://www.cybernations.net/default.asp?Referrer=Rightist%20America

Is the password protection still necessary at this time?

So I'll speak lightly on the speech issue and the alleged "contradiction". *Note: I am not going to debate this, only present an explanation of the libertarian/property rights perspective. I'll leave whatever arguing to y'all or we can have a tg conversation about it sometime in the future.

When libertarians and classical liberals preach the first amendment (aka freedom of speech), we are specifically advocating one of our objective/natural rights of self-ownership. This being said, we do not believe in the initiation of physical force to violate the rights of an individual, who gains these rights from his/her fundamental right to life. Therefore, we are against the State using coercion to violate these rights (aka the first amendment to the constitution).

However, any and all rights depend on property rights (I will not belabor this point, as there is literature available, specifically an article in Rand's "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal"), and therefore the rights of different property owners. Central to the libertarian idea of any and all rights is not only self-ownership but also ownership of material objects; the ownership of material objects allows the owner to dictate how said property is used minus using coercion against other individuals. The State may not violate the right to free speech of individuals because it has no right to violate their right to self-ownership. That being said, no INDIVIDUAL has the moral right to abuse the property of another human being.

In the context of this site, it belongs to a specific group of people (is owned by them) and is used by us as (fortunately) un-paying customers. We have no moral right to use their property in any way short of their specifications and dictates. They do have an incentive to allow as much freedom as possible (this is how they get people to join and stay), but they also have the right to regulate behavior on THEIR site if they forsee it as protecting their profits.

Libertarians do not advocate the right to free speech at all times just like we don't advocate pseudo-rights to healthcare, education, welfare, corporate subsidies, etc. All of these require stolen resources and that requires the use of PHYSICAL FORCE. I digress. The State is a band of brigands writ large.

Just so everyone knows I WAS kidding earlier and just saying America and stuff like that purely because I can. I recognize this site is privately owned and there are rules, just so we're all clear.

When is the next presidential election?

The end of April. Feel free to announce your candidacy. There is already Pev, TTA, and Einsiev.

Out of those 3 I would choose pev

c]:}

Me with a mustache and a sombrero. Arriba.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Just so everyone knows I WAS kidding earlier and just saying America and stuff like that purely because I can. I recognize this site is privately owned and there are rules, just so we're all clear.

I am very glad you made this clear, THANK YOU!

Einsiev would be my 2nd best choose out of the three.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Einsiev would be my 2nd best choose out of the three.

Yay. I feel special.

I think tta is enjoying UCR.

We should reopen the gates tta wants to come back in.

The Amarican Empire wrote:We should reopen the gates tta wants to come back in.

He made his choices

One does not simply, reopen gates in turbulent times.

Einsiev wrote:One does not simply, reopen gates in turbulent times.

Turbulent times?

Yes, turbulence.

*plane shakes*

I told you.

Einsiev wrote:Yes, turbulence.

*plane shakes*

I told you.

Didn't know the entire region was a plane...[I]the more you know![/I]

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This region is more like a Death Star

The Amarican Empire wrote:This region is more like a Death Star

Make sure to cover that small hole that can destroy everything.

lol i wonder who is the hole in our Death Star.

*looks around nervously*

1. Time, as The Lone Star pointed out, all rights depend on property rights. Can I storm onto your property, stick picket signs all over your garden reading "TTA is a racist" and shout through a megaphone in your ear about how much I hate you? No.

2. Fun fact: Al Gore was a better candidate than Bush.

Pevvania wrote:

2. Fun fact: Al Gore was a better candidate than Bush.

Fun fact: regardless of who won, neither would have had an actual basis to exert their alleged authority seeing as how the constitution doesn't have the authority to exist.

Fun fact: Manbearpig totally exists i'm super cereal

Oh, look, an April Fools that isn't the apocalypse.

Puppets are a good way to get more ByteCoin.

Good thing this is just a joke.

Pevvania wrote:1. Time, as The Lone Star pointed out, all rights depend on property rights. Can I storm onto your property, stick picket signs all over your garden reading "TTA is a racist" and shout through a megaphone in your ear about how much I hate you? No.

2. Fun fact: Al Gore was a better candidate than Bush.

1. Honestly if I don't press charges it wouldn't be a crime... and why would I press charges for that?

2. Fun Fact: Pat Buchanan of the reform party was best.

It's actually my birthday today

Lack There Of wrote:It's actually my birthday today

Happy birthday

Fun quote I found searching this site.

"Paris Hilton: Talentless Celebrity, Net Worth of 100 million

Nikola Tesla: One of the most important inventors in history, died in debt

Because Capitalism makes sure the hardest workers are the most successful."

The Time Alliance wrote:1. Honestly if I don't press charges it wouldn't be a crime... and why would I press charges for that?

2. Fun Fact: Pat Buchanan of the reform party was best.

1. You can throw them off your property at any time.

2. Is pragmatism some kind of religion to you?

Pevvania wrote:1. You can throw them off your property at any time.

2. Is pragmatism some kind of religion to you?

1. Why would I waste my time worrying about someone below me? Because that's what you'd be if you did something like that.

2. I thought you'd like him seeing as he was Reagan's advisor.

Oops, accidentally suppressed your post.

The Time Alliance wrote:1. Why would I waste my time worrying about someone below me? Because that's what you'd be if you did something like that.

2. I thought you'd like him seeing as he was Reagan's advisor.

2. I like some of his views, but he's too conservative for me.

Pevvania wrote:Oops, accidentally suppressed your post.

2. I like some of his views, but he's too conservative for me.

I like someone too conservative for you? Dang........

Miencraft wrote:Puppets are a good way to get more ByteCoin.

Good thing this is just a joke.

Nah man magic internet money is so legit, Max wouldn't lie to us like thatÂ

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Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Nah man magic internet money is so legit, Max wouldn't lie to us like thatÂ…

My Little bytecoin: Internet Money is magic

Also in regards to the April Fools joke.

Such Capitalism.

Much investment.

Wow.

My favorite thing is all the "Socialists" in the game using byte coin.

The Time Alliance wrote:I like someone too conservative for you? Dang........

I dislike conservatism, although I like some conservatives.

I love American Conservatism. :P

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[Quote=einsiev;5864601]I love American Conservatism. :P[/quote]

Eww..... Conservatism? Progressivism and Reform is the future.

The Time Alliance wrote:Eww..... Conservatism? Progressivism and Reform is the future.

*rolls eyes then gives watermelon and sombrero*

Nevermind. I found something we both dislike conservatism.

I just found an add: For one bytecoin I can buy Communism......

Is NS loading stupidly slow for anyone else?

Muh Roads wrote:Is NS loading stupidly slow for anyone else?

For me, yes.

Muh Roads wrote:Is NS loading stupidly slow for anyone else?

Me but I attribute that to poor hotel WiFi

Good to know I'm not the only one.

•10 hours ago: Following new legislation in Republic of Minerva, Morris C Davis has been known to threaten dissenting citizens with a machine gun at press conferences

lol

Anyway I encourage everyone to donate their bytecoins to my puppet The Liberated Territories for absolutely no reason whatsoever but to make me richer.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:•10 hours ago: Following new legislation in Republic of Minerva, Morris C Davis has been known to threaten dissenting citizens with a machine gun at press conferences

lol

Anyway I encourage everyone to donate their bytecoins to my puppet The Liberated Territories for absolutely no reason whatsoever but to make me richer.

Finally, someone being truthful.

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What is a bytecoin?

Online currency, parody of bitcoin

I'm an exchange now guys! Gimme all ya muney!

Why? Why is this happening?

I have no idea what is going on, but you're my exchange. Don't rob me puhlz.

I'll try not to.

American Conservatism has some great elements - respect for gun rights, general advocacy of economic freedom, restraint in government spending. But many of these principles have been abandoned for a reactionary streak to dominate the movement, a streak content with growing size of government as long as it pleases constituents and as long as it's done to fit their agenda. It is a movement that has abandoned its principles of economic freedom and the rule of law in exchange of crypto-fascist corporatism and military adventurism done for the benefit of the wealthy corporate class (lolkoch).

Of course, what I describe is the neo-conservative movement. But even the purists need to evolve. Conservatives will argue for economic progressivism, but at the same time a strict obedience to authority and tight regulation of actions they don't approve of. The whole concept of conservatism is based on hypocrisy, as much as 'liberalism' is. It's much more coherent and generally closer to liberty, but still extremely flawed. If conservatives want to be conservative again, they need to embrace libertarianism. Not freedom for some, not freedom for most - freedom for all.

Its better then Social Democracy which is freedom for the Government.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Its better then Social Democracy which is freedom for the Government.

Of course it's better. It's leaps and bounds better. But it needs to work on a lot of issues. For example, if conservatives believe in economic freedom, then why do they want to prohibit drugs, marriages and the free movement of labour and capital?

idk i am not a Conservative, I am a Conservative leaning Libertarian like Rand Paul.

The Amarican Empire wrote:idk i am not a Conservative, I am a Conservative leaning Libertarian like Rand Paul.

You'll gradually radicalise as time goes on ;)

Uh, Pev. Your flag. What's happening.

"Eternal Leader" I motion for an impeachment of the commie!

I have seen the light. Communism is the future, and it's time we all embrace it.

I will begin a series of steps to purify this region of the parasite we have long worshipped - CAPITALISM. For too long, we have been brainwashed by the bourgeoisie education system to worship our gods within the system! OUR RULERS!

We must destroy this plague! In what I shall call the Series of Great Leaps In Front Of Us, I will begin the process of communising this region. The flag will be changed to become a beacon of the masses - the downtrodden proletariat - a War on Capitalism will be declared, the Constitution will be replaced by something friendlier to the Masses, and I will abolish the system of slavery known as 'the rule of law'. I am your Eternal Leader now. Respect me. Fear me.

All 'libertarians', who worship the freedom of the rich, will be purged! My cabinet - the Board - will be purged, unless they will submit to Marx!

Glory to the State! Glory to the Vanguard Party!

(And before you all denounce me as a traitor... I recommend that you check the date :) )

Fun fact: socialism has given us everything that makes us live comfortably. But socialism has never existed.

How did I become a Communist? That's easy. Someone showed me a picture of a homeless man and taught me about the labour surplus theory.

I was instantly convinced.

my favrite thing about communism is that it helps poor people

Pevvania wrote:my favrite thing about communism is that it helps poor people

lol good one!

The Amarican Empire wrote:lol good one!

wot do u mean

He just told me it is legit. I will begin precedings with the Board.

Communism makes the poor Average class by making everyone poor.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Communism makes the poor Average class by making everyone poor.

wots ur proof??? ur just brainwashed

April Fool's Jokes aside... [nation=short]Hallo Island[/nation] has informed me to tell y'all that he will be running for the presidency later this month.

I shall run for the presidency! May the Workers of the World Unite!

Five months ago, the Revolution brought power to the common Lazarene and hope to those oppressed by imperialist and raiderist bourgeois around the world. Never before have the masses rallied to the great Socialist Defender ideal, and since then Lazarus has been as a lighthouse on a moonless night for the working class. Slowly, silently, the bourgeois has attempted to change that, smuggling in their old, oppressive ideas from the outside and infiltrating our society under the guise of friendship.

Today that ends. Lazarus shall take the last step to creating a perfect Harmonious Society, and in doing so bring about a new Cultural Revolution. The true patriots of Lazarus shall undertake this endeavor and launch resolute attacks on the open and hidden representatives of the bourgeois. We shall cast out those who have wormed their way in, and in doing so create a pure Defender state.

Those who raid shall be purged. The old days of Lazarus were plagued by the raider threat, and even now raiders have crept into the fabric of our society hitherto unseen. Through their malicious deeds they smash the ability of the native to enjoy security in a truly unified state, both here and in countless innocent regions. No more.

Those who seek to impose their Imperialist dominance shall be purged and countered on the battlefield in Lazarus and abroad. The atrocities committed by Imperialists in life in Congo and China are inevitably mirrored in NationStates from Slavia to St. Abbadon. In nearly every GCR they have attempted to use their influence to impose their will and prevent them from retaliating, if not turning them into their own playpens or 'unify' their crowns. No more.

Those who betray the revolution to prostrate themselves at the foot of the enemies of our society shall be purged. The revolution is a lifelong commitment, not a path to power. Some have been blinded by the successes till now and have turned their backs on us.

The new Revolution now emerging in Lazarus shall spark similar Revolutions worldwide, and all shall see the light that is Socialist Defenderdom. In the streets of the Scarlet City an the countless countryside villages, the whole of our Party is coming together as one great force to further our Cultural Revolution. Though we face inevitable opposition, there is abundant evidence that it shall crumble once the whole of our masses are aroused.

No more shall the common man fear their door smashed open and their very existence violated. No more shall imperialists have free reign to rob the sovereignty of every region around the world. No more shall those who step out of the light be allowed to fester.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2jnX2y30DE&hd=1

The Time Alliance wrote:-snip-

Hooray! World revolution!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk69e1Vcmvg&hd=1

I Propose that we Declare Pevvania President for Life. I Prospose that we be Socialized.

The Communist ACT

-Pevvania is Declared The Eternal President

-The war On Communism Ends

-Privatization ends and all things are Nationalized

-The Board is renamed the Congress of the Supreme Soviet

-We turn our flag into the Red Soviet Flag.

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Written by Refuge Isle.