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Miencraft wrote:Ravioli ravioli give me the formuoli

FIANLY SOMEONE HAS THE RIGHT ANWSER

Miencraft, Einsiev, Rateria

Shreminov wrote:You guys like ravioli?

meat-za rolls

Rateria, Shreminov

The States Of Balloon wrote:meat-za rolls

It's a pretty good

Someone tell me how to join the army.

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Free Nozicklandia

Irvino wrote:Someone tell me how to join the army.

I remember that you TG the Chancellor of War.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Free Nozicklandia

Roses are red, violets are blue, the Vrchat meme is dead, move on.

Voting Through The Ages | Day 15, [1856]

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Hello! I'm happy to be here!

Einsiev, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Libertarian New Hampshire, Free Nozicklandia

Clihe wrote:Hello! I'm happy to be here!

begone

Clihe wrote:Hello! I'm happy to be here!

Welcome to Libertatem! Make yourself at home!

Rateria, Clihe, Free Nozicklandia

Clihe wrote:Hello! I'm happy to be here!

Welcome, new friend!

Rateria, Clihe

The States Of Balloon wrote:begone

Hey Thanks!

Einsiev, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Quick question, since I assume we're all pretty much in the libertarian camp and since I assume we all agree that the government has little to no place in meddling in the market, could you make a libertarian argument that, being as though the private sector and public sector should remain separate, that individuals should not be able to donate to political candidates? When the government gives money to corporations it's a subsidy, why would it be different in the reverse? I know that those running for office are also private individuals, but I think that once a person is running for office, perhaps they should be considered a government official and given an actual job title of "candidate" they get paid a sum of cash by the government with the expressed prevision, signed by contract between them and the government, that a certain portion of those earnings go towards running for office and that they can only use those funds for running for office. Using private money would be tried in the courts as fraud and in civil court as a breach of contract.

Skaveria wrote:Quick question, since I assume we're all pretty much in the libertarian camp and since I assume we all agree that the government has little to no place in meddling in the market, could you make a libertarian argument that, being as though the private sector and public sector should remain separate, that individuals should not be able to donate to political candidates? When the government gives money to corporations it's a subsidy, why would it be different in the reverse? I know that those running for office are also private individuals, but I think that once a person is running for office, perhaps they should be considered a government official and given an actual job title of "candidate" they get paid a sum of cash by the government with the expressed prevision, signed by contract between them and the government, that a certain portion of those earnings go towards running for office and that they can only use those funds for running for office. Using private money would be tried in the courts as fraud and in civil court as a breach of contract.

Personally, I can't see a libertarian argument being made for that. After all, you're telling people what they can do with their money - or in this case, what they can't do with it. That sounds pretty solidly anti-libertarian to me.

Miencraft wrote:Personally, I can't see a libertarian argument being made for that. After all, you're telling people what they can do with their money - or in this case, what they can't do with it. That sounds pretty solidly anti-libertarian to me.

Would it be legal to hire an assassin to kill a person? Money can be used to violate the NAP.

Skaveria wrote:Would it be legal to hire an assassin to kill a person? Money can be used to violate the NAP.

Yes, but donating to a public official isn't a violation of the NAP. When you hire an assassin, you're giving them money and also an order to kill someone. You're not ordering candidates or politicians to hurt anyone when you donate to them - you're giving them money, and if that money happens to be used for evil, ultimately it's not your problem because they're the ones who misused your money.

Skaveria wrote:and given an actual job title of "candidate" they get paid a sum of cash by the government with the expressed prevision, signed by contract between them and the government, that a certain portion of those earnings go towards running for office and that they can only use those funds for running for office.

Oh and this is literally just people giving candidates money anyways, except you're using the government as a middleman for some reason. We know how to use our money better than the government knows how to use our money. If we want to back candidates financially, we've got that ability. The government does not have the right to take our money and give it to people who want to be part of the government. Ultimately, that just leaves room for even more corruption.

Skaveria wrote:Would it be legal to hire an assassin to kill a person? Money can be used to violate the NAP.

By that logic giving money to anyone is a violation of the NAP. Sure, if I give Bob $100 he could use it to go shoot his neighbor Alice, but he could also be using to it repair his car that he dented. Unless I am specifically telling Bob "Hey go stab Alice for me!", I don't see an issue.

Miencraft, Rateria, Libertarian New Hampshire

Miencraft wrote:Oh and this is literally just people giving candidates money anyways, except you're using the government as a middleman for some reason. We know how to use our money better than the government knows how to use our money. If we want to back candidates financially, we've got that ability. The government does not have the right to take our money and give it to people who want to be part of the government. Ultimately, that just leaves room for even more corruption.

Alright, I just had the idea in my head and thought I'd get an opinion.

Voting Through The Ages | Day 15, [1856]

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Voting Through The Ages | Day 16, [1860]

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Skaveria wrote:...could you make a libertarian argument that, being as though the private sector and public sector should remain separate, that individuals should not be able to donate to political candidates?

Re: Public vs Private. Freedom of association in its fullest sense allows the individual (and his family and intimate friends who keep his confidence) to determine what is and is not private about his life and that line may vary wildly from person to person. Running for public office in a republic based on rule of law to the ends of liberty and equality assumes two things. 1. That the person will put himself into service for needs of others exclusively (without unreasonable deprivation to himself and his family) for the Rule of Law; and 2. That the person relinquishes (at least temporarily) any assumption of privacy during his indenturement to the body politic of the people (except those things that are exclusive to the domain his family and intimate friends) for the sake of truth, justice, and liberty.

I suppose a case can be made to limit the fiduciary expenditures of a person seeking public office under application of graft and corruption , but it fails to mete all 12 points at Law to be Constitutional. A case may be made for Fitness (if it does what is intended no unintended consequence); Universality (if it can applied to all running); Practicality (if it can be applied with little burden to other individuals or society in general); Impartiality (if it t can be applied equally to all running); but fails spectacularly regarding Liberty (it hinders the free expression and association of everyone involved); Objectivity (it hurts some (those who would receive more than the opponent) while arbitrarily aiding others (the proponent who benefits from a contender who is hindered from using all the means at his disposal); and Unity (it does not uniformly help everybody under one overarching principle). Subjectivity (It causes harm as it arbitrarily hurts some more than others--the purpose of the Law benign indifference not to shackle individuals but the state from despotic acts). etc. yada yada.

Skaveria wrote:...When the government gives money to corporations it's a subsidy, why would it be different in the reverse?

A good point with which I agree. Corporations are creatures of the state and artificial persons. They are not people, but soulless guests of the community with deep pockets and one objective--to perpetuate and expand itself. This is not necessarily a bad thing as long as they are kept on very short leashes and the people remember that its sole purpose is to make a profit for their shareholders/owners by lawfully providing a product or service. As an artificial person with no suffrage nor enfranchisement, and no privilege (goodwill clause) as it is a legal fiction there can be no good lawful case to be made for natural persons to use artificial persons beholden to the state to transfer fiduciary benefit to a candidate.

Skaveria wrote:...Using private money would be tried in the courts as fraud and in civil court as a breach of contract.

That could conceivably work with corporations but not with individuals who have the right to freedom of expression and the right to freedom of association.

I am very tired, and hope it was helpful and made sense.

Miencraft, Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order

Voting Through The Ages, Day 17 [1864]

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Voting Through The Ages | Day 17, [1864]

I am sorry to admit I have made a mistake. I ran today's poll without realizing Regional Elections in the FCN start at 12:00pm CST. Therefore polls will close tonight at, 11:50pm CST. I will continue to run the Voting Through The Ages polls in an alternate region starting tomorrow.

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Snopes, of all sources, essentially disproves the disgraceful leftist narrative that Reagan had mental issues during his presidency. All four of his doctors adamantly deny him having any cognitive issues during his presidency, and considering Alzheimer's patients usually have a lifespan of 8-10 years, he would've lived an extraordinarily long time if he had got it while president. He was diagnosed in 1994 and died in 2004, which fits the usual timeline for people with Alzheimer's.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Libertarian New Hampshire, Free Nozicklandia

Pevvania wrote:Snopes, of all sources, essentially disproves the disgraceful leftist narrative that Reagan had mental issues during his presidency. All four of his doctors adamantly deny him having any cognitive issues during his presidency, and considering Alzheimer's patients usually have a lifespan of 8-10 years, he would've lived an extraordinarily long time if he had got it while president. He was diagnosed in 1994 and died in 2004, which fits the usual timeline for people with Alzheimer's.

It reminds me too much about what they say about Trump

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Skaveria

I love how leftists completely disregard their own dogma when insulting people on the right. What happened to "fat-shaming"?

Guess it doesn't apply when it's Trump's body...

Also, when they say "real men are feminists." they're going along with the narrative that "real men" behave a certain way. They claim to be fighting that narrative. It shows how shallow they actually are, they don't believe a word they're saying.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Libertarian New Hampshire, Free Nozicklandia

Voting Through The Ages | Day 18, [1868]

I feel 8:00pm is a more fitting time for this. These will take place in Absaroka County for the time being until elections in the FCN are over.

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Voting Through The Ages | Day 18, [1868]

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Voting Through The Ages | Day 19 [1872]

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Skaveria wrote:I love how leftists completely disregard their own dogma when insulting people on the right. What happened to "fat-shaming"?

Guess it doesn't apply when it's Trump's body...

I don't know what you are talking about, Mr Trump is hella sexy :p

Voting Through The Ages | Day 19 [1872]

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Skaveria wrote:I love how leftists completely disregard their own dogma when insulting people on the right. What happened to "fat-shaming"?

Guess it doesn't apply when it's Trump's body...

Also, when they say "real men are feminists." they're going along with the narrative that "real men" behave a certain way. They claim to be fighting that narrative. It shows how shallow they actually are, they don't believe a word they're saying.

H I P O C R I S Y

Rateria

I honestly can't wait for The United States Of Patriots to be WAD for a year and he can finally overthrow the government and establish a libertarian dictatorship.

Miencraft, Rateria, Venomringo, New Tampa, Libertarian New Hampshire

Statement from the Office of the Deputy Secretary-General of the United Empire Of Islam

About 2 years ago, the United Empire of Islam and its closest ally, the Central Pacific Empire, ratified the Interregional Cooperation Treaty. Present at the signing was also the delegation from the Commonwealth of Crowns, which would become the third founding member-region of the Interregional Cooperation Treaty Organization. The treaty was the culmination of multiple years of friendship between the UEI and CPE and was a means to set in stone the relationship and the mutual obligations that came with it. The ICTO also served to introduce the UEI to the CoC, which was already closely associated with the CPE. The exact events of that day may be forgotten, but the bonds established then continue to persist and it our hope that it stays so forever.

Over the years, this treaty was a source of pride for the three regions involved. With each renewal of the treaty, it became more complex and sophisticated. Within time, more regions expressed interest in joining the organization. In late 2016, the Radiant became the fourth member of the ICTO with Libertatem joining soon after. Their involvement gave the impression that the Organization was on track to a brighter future. However, that year and the next, the weaknesses of the tiny organization began to show. The CPE went through multiple states of reform and inactivity, the UEI was under attack by many anti-Islamic groups, relations between Libertatem and CPE fell out, and the Radiant suffered from the effects of an internal power struggle which resulted in a temporary civil war. As the end of 2017 neared, confidence in the ICTO was dropping to dangerously low levels.

The second half of 2017 was marked by multiple withdrawals from the ICTO, initiated by Libertatem in July. The Radiant, split into two regions for a significant portion of 2017, had effectively lost its membership. The nail in the coffin was the departure of the Central Pacific Empire, which was the first founding member of ICTO. It was clear that the best days of the ICTO we're behind it and that it served as nothing more than a treaty between the UEI and the CoC. The ICTO was no longer an effective diplomatic or militaristic tool and its ability to carry out the functions for which it was founded was severely limited.

With acknowledgement of the downfall of the ICTO, Libertatem spearheaded the foundation of a new interregional organization. The governments of the UEI and the Radiant lended their assistance to the drafting of the treaty. The new organization, named the Global Liberty Alliance, was founded to defeat tyranny and the ideologies that promote it. Its treaty was created with the shortcomings of the ICT in mind. Although it cannot be guaranteed, we have taken the lessons of the past to heart and have created what will hopefully be a more successful and powerful organization.

The United Empire of Islam became the last member of the GLA to ratify the new treaty, doing so on the evening of January 16th, 2018. The first session of the Alliance was held on January 21st, where it was decided that the first Chairman of the GLA would be VenomRingo of Libertatem. With the Global Liberty Alliance now in full effect, the United Empire of Islam announces its own departure from the Interregional Cooperation Treaty Organization. We recognize the gravity of our decision and only do so because we believe it will be the best course of action for us and the Commonwealth of Crowns. We understand that with our exit, the ICTO is effectively disbanded as there remains only one signatory member-region.

The United Empire of Islam will continue to maintain amicable relations with both the Central Pacific Empire and the Commonwealth of Crowns. The Global Liberty Alliance has already extended an offer to the leadership of the Commonwealth of Crowns for it to become a signatory member-region of the treaty. As for the Central Pacific Empire, the United Empire of Islam remains committed to bilateral relations with it by means of an separate existing treaty. We are willing to mediate any formal discourse between Libertatem and CPE and wish that the two parties can revive their old stance of friendship and cooperation. It is our hope that the UEI and its allies can lead the way to a brighter and more prosperous future on NationStates. A better tomorrow lies in our hands and with those hands we turn the page to a new chapter.

Western Arab Empire

Deputy Secretary-General

United Empire Of Islam

Miencraft, Humpheria, Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Following the exit of the United Empire of Islam from the Interregional Cooperation Treaty, The ICT’s final remaining region, The Commonwealth of Crowns, hereby declares the ICT and all it’s clauses null and void.

Following the departure of the Central Pacific Empire, Libertatem, and the Radiant Civil War, the Commonwealth considered it an unspoken truth that the treaty had gone under. With the UEI’s Declaration, that only deepens it’s grave. The Commonwealth will attempt to maintain relations with all it’s former allies, and we thank you for all the support you’ve given to one another throughout the treaty’s lifespan. Membership in the GLA is currently under consideration, with a decision to be made in the near future.

Kind Regards,

The Imperial Union of Scandinavia

Humpheria, Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order

Voting Through The Ages | Day 20, [1876]

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New NSG Post by Misley:

Libertatem creates 2nd FASCIST, ANTI-SEMETIC, HATE GROUP!

Miencraft, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

The States Of Balloon wrote:i am trenny have sec

gooby pls

Voting Through The Ages | Day 20, [1876]

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Can't wait to piss Misley off with GLA. Good things are happening in Libertatem!

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

My region hasn't disappeared! Wow!

Rateria

Voting Through The Ages | Day 21, [1880]

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So California wants to confiscate half of all savings businesses make as a result of the historic Trump Tax Cuts. As an adoptive Californian resident, I say go ahead. Every state has the right and the power to make terrible decisions, and the morons in Sacramento have been practically asking for economic and societal collapse for years. If Brown and the legislature continues to provoke the good Americans in our state - of which there are many, Democrat and Republican - they will be punished forcefully at the ballot box!

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:So California wants to confiscate half of all savings businesses make as a result of the historic Trump Tax Cuts. As an adoptive Californian resident, I say go ahead. Every state has the right and the power to make terrible decisions, and the morons in Sacramento have been practically asking for economic and societal collapse for years. If Brown and the legislature continues to provoke the good Americans in our state - of which there are many, Democrat and Republican - they will be punished forcefully at the ballot box!

That is the democratic way. And I don't mean the way of the Democratic Party, I mean the way of democracy.

Rateria

Voting Through The Ages | Day 21, [1880]

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Pevvania wrote:So California wants to confiscate half of all savings businesses make as a result of the historic Trump Tax Cuts. As an adoptive Californian resident, I say go ahead. Every state has the right and the power to make terrible decisions, and the morons in Sacramento have been practically asking for economic and societal collapse for years. If Brown and the legislature continues to provoke the good Americans in our state - of which there are many, Democrat and Republican - they will be punished forcefully at the ballot box!

Hopefully California legislators will pass laws so outrageous that New California will secede and become out 51st state and taking with it any hope a Democrat could win another presidential election without radically changing their insane platform to be more centrist.

Pevvania, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:So California wants to confiscate half of all savings businesses make as a result of the historic Trump Tax Cuts. As an adoptive Californian resident, I say go ahead. Every state has the right and the power to make terrible decisions, and the morons in Sacramento have been practically asking for economic and societal collapse for years. If Brown and the legislature continues to provoke the good Americans in our state - of which there are many, Democrat and Republican - they will be punished forcefully at the ballot box!

I am half-dreaming that the split between rural and urban California will proceed. i would rather have disaffected "Old" Californians moving to "New" California than continuing to move to my state bringing their illiberal ideas with them. My closest city/town had a 2% increase of Californians last year but a 45% increase in the number of people calling the police to get their neighbor's dog to stop barking. Our police dispatch gives a very wise question to the caller, "Have you gone to the neighbor and asked them?" If the answer is no, the response is encouragement on becoming neighborly (as in get to know your neighbor first and if their dog attacks you then call us.)

It's like Californians expect government to be their Kindergarten Teacher.

"Mrs. Azathoth, Billy is making barking noises; make him stop!"

"Billy is a dog, dear. That is what dogs do. They bark."

Pevvania, Rateria

The Commonwealth of Crowns has reached a decision regarding it’s future. The duty of The Commonwealth throughout it’s history has been to uphold the ideals of monarchism, in our own region and beyond; thus, we will seek no membership in the Global Liberty Alliance, which betrays that interest.

We wish for embassies to be maintained, and for relations between The Commonwealth and GLA member regions to be warm, no matter which path you take.

To Bright Futures,

The Imperial Union Of Scandinavia

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Voting Through The Ages | Day 22, [1884]

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The Imperial Union Of Scandinavia wrote:The Commonwealth of Crowns has reached a decision regarding it’s future. The duty of The Commonwealth throughout it’s history has been to uphold the ideals of monarchism, in our own region and beyond; thus, we will seek no membership in the Global Liberty Alliance, which betrays that interest.

We wish for embassies to be maintained, and for relations between The Commonwealth and GLA member regions to be warm, no matter which path you take.

To Bright Futures,

The Imperial Union Of Scandinavia

This is unfortunate but we wish luck to The Commonwealth Of Crowns in the future. We appreciate that they considered this all-important decision with due process.

New Nationale Einheit, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Hopefully California legislators will pass laws so outrageous that New California will secede and become out 51st state and taking with it any hope a Democrat could win another presidential election without radically changing their insane platform to be more centrist.

Better yet, let's just kick California out of the union entirely, then just let New California come back if they want to.

Humpheria, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Better yet, let's just kick California out of the union entirely, then just let New California come back if they want to.

Even better

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Better yet, let's just kick California out of the union entirely, then just let New California come back if they want to.

^

Rateria

Voting Through The Ages | Day 22, [1884]

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Skaveria wrote:Even better

No, wait, I made it perfect.

Kick California out of the union, annex New California, recognize New California as "California", dismiss the old California as something silly like "Hollywood" or "Los Angeles".

Narland, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:No, wait, I made it perfect.

Kick California out of the union, annex New California, recognize New California as "California", dismiss the old California as something silly like "Hollywood" or "Los Angeles".

Three months later... "People's Republic of California's request for re-admittance to union struck down."

Miencraft, Rateria, Libertarian New Hampshire

Voting Through The Ages | Day 23 [1888]

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Voting Through Th Ages | Day 24, [1892]

Finally back in the FCN.

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Remember to vote Cthulhu for President 2020.

Rateria, The First Islands

Voting Through The Ages | Day 25, [1896]

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Miencraft wrote:No, wait, I made it perfect.

Kick California out of the union, annex New California, recognize New California as "California", dismiss the old California as something silly like "Hollywood" or "Los Angeles".

Or like Prince, only a stylized symbol (in this case a stylized toxic symbol) with the label "The State Formerly Known As California";

Or Democratic Peoples Socialist Urbanatopia of La Copos De Nieve (I can never remember if snowflake is masc or fem in Spanish just that it is irregular (fitting), but they may insist on a forced neuter like Lo, since Spanish is far more sexist grammatically than English);

Or build a 40 ft wall around it and call it Maximum Security.

Miencraft wrote:Remember to vote Cthulhu for President 2020.

A former roommate had a bumper sticker: Vote Cthulhu. Why settle for the lesser of two evils?

Rateria

Narland wrote:

Or build a 40 ft wall around it and call it Maximum Security.

Brilliant. Even better lets name it Arkham City

Rateria

Taking nominations for the upcoming Senate elections next month.

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Miencraft wrote:Taking nominations for the upcoming Senate elections next month.

Yeah I'm running for seat 5

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Taking nominations for the upcoming Senate elections next month.

I'll be running for reelection.

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

RIP the left's puppet brigade

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Aflaq left. There goes the founder of Ba'ath Socialism.

1 less socialist and 1 less fascist in 1 move.

Voting Through The Ages | Day 26, [1900]

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When did we change it from LADS to LDAS? I thought we established the Libertatem Alert Defense System sounds stupid.

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Humpheria wrote:When did we change it from LADS to LDAS? I thought we established the Libertatem Alert Defense System sounds stupid.

The jig is up bois

Humpheria, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Jadentopian Order wrote:The jig is up bois

You woulda got away with it too if it weren't for those meddling kids and their Lib

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

The WA shouldn't be in the business of commending or condemning nations; vote no to commend Texas and vote no to any other arbitrary accolades or condescending condemnations!

Humpheria, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Libertarian New Hampshire

Skaveria wrote:The WA shouldn't be in the business of commending or condemning nations; vote no to commend Texas and vote no to any other arbitrary accolades or condescending condemnations!

But then how are we going to get our condemnation? We have been working so hard for it.

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Voting Through The Ages | Day 27, [1904]

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Who wants to watch the uneducated, barely literate Cardi B mock Trump's lifestyle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjbysQgJ64Y

Pevvania wrote:Who wants to watch the uneducated, barely literate Cardi B mock Trump's lifestyle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjbysQgJ64Y

Yes, Cardi B, former stripper, is definitely an authoritative source for lifestyle tips... if you ignore the videos that just recently started circulating of her stripping at parties. If I wanted advice that sh*tty I'd ask Harvey Weinstein how I could pick up more chicks.

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Voting Trough The Ages | Day 28, [1908]

Early poll tonight in the Absaroka County Region, I'm falling asleep and won't make it to 10.

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Hey you know this thing that's very obviously not racist

Well it's racist now

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The States Of Balloon wrote:Hey you know this thing that's very obviously not racist

Well it's racist now

Breaking News: Taking showers at 7PMish declared racist, Jaden Gang scrambles to find new time to take showers at. More at 7PMish

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Voting Trough The Ages | Day 28, [1908]

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events are taking place

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Voting Through the Ages | Day 29, [1912]

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Highway Eight wrote:But then how are we going to get our condemnation? We have been working so hard for it.

What do you mean?

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Voting Through The Ages | Day 30, [1916]

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Past Results | Page 2 Following my discovery that factbooks can only hold so much data.

Rateria

I humbly accept the new Senate's decision to elect me Speaker and Dictator of the Senate for Life (or until my term ends).

Rateria, New Tampa

Politics! Ruined again.

Rateria, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa

VOTING THROUGH THE AGES 1932 WILL BE DELAYED BECAUSE OF SUPER BOWL LII | GO EAGLES!

"Blue states" are wealthier than "red states" for the same reason that the most 'socialist' countries are also historically the most capitalist and free market. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. In California, New York, Hawaii and Illinois we have a generation of people totally unfamiliar with the perils of big government, socialism and communism. And as their looming government funding crises demonstrate, it will soon be 'hard times' for these states once again!

Rateria, Venomringo

Pevvania wrote:"Blue states" are wealthier than "red states" for the same reason that the most 'socialist' countries are also historically the most capitalist and free market. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. In California, New York, Hawaii and Illinois we have a generation of people totally unfamiliar with the perils of big government, socialism and communism. And as their looming government funding crises demonstrate, it will soon be 'hard times' for these states once again!

It is interesting how "labels" and ideologies influence us to generalize our concepts and radicalize our opinions. Is being right is more important than discovering the truth? Today we see China's president of the Communist Party teaching free-market lessons to Donald Trump who is an businessman and a "right-wing politician."I know this does not make any sense.

We should analyze the performance of a politician for his projects, economic data, social data, benefits for society and for his country. But the first question we ask ourselves is: "What is your party?"

Come on... I'm not defending anyone. I just think this discussion should be much more relevant than an analysis of "red states" or "blue states".

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Libertarian New Hampshire

Pevvania wrote:"Blue states" are wealthier than "red states" for the same reason that the most 'socialist' countries are also historically the most capitalist and free market. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. In California, New York, Hawaii and Illinois we have a generation of people totally unfamiliar with the perils of big government, socialism and communism. And as their looming government funding crises demonstrate, it will soon be 'hard times' for these states once again!

In completely unrelated news, why are you still wearing the campaign flag?

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:In completely unrelated news, why are you still wearing the campaign flag?

He enjoys showing off his "L" and is preparing to get another won if he runs again

Miencraft, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Brasilia wrote:It is interesting how "labels" and ideologies influence us to generalize our concepts and radicalize our opinions. Is being right is more important than discovering the truth? Today we see China's president of the Communist Party teaching free-market lessons to Donald Trump who is an businessman and a "right-wing politician."I know this does not make any sense.

We should analyze the performance of a politician for his projects, economic data, social data, benefits for society and for his country. But the first question we ask ourselves is: "What is your party?"

Come on... I'm not defending anyone. I just think this discussion should be much more relevant than an analysis of "red states" or "blue states".

Which is unnecessary to do when politics in America is so polarized that you can generalize "red and blue states" and be able to assess their economic status.

Miencraft, Rateria, Libertarian New Hampshire

Brasilia wrote:It is interesting how "labels" and ideologies influence us to generalize our concepts and radicalize our opinions. Is being right is more important than discovering the truth? Today we see China's president of the Communist Party teaching free-market lessons to Donald Trump who is an businessman and a "right-wing politician."I know this does not make any sense.

We should analyze the performance of a politician for his projects, economic data, social data, benefits for society and for his country. But the first question we ask ourselves is: "What is your party?"

Come on... I'm not defending anyone. I just think this discussion should be much more relevant than an analysis of "red states" or "blue states".

I agree, it's an almost absurd generalisation. New Hampshire has voted Democratic in the last four presidential elections, yet its internal policies are some of the most libertarian in the nation. My point is that the "blue" or "liberal" states that are prosperous accumulated their wealth through free market capitalism.

Miencraft, Rateria, Brasilia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Libertarian New Hampshire

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