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Region: Libertatem
Right
"Right is right and Left is always left behind!" I made that up.
It is true. Some things just have that ring of truth.
Anything big going on lately?
Unfortunately no right now. (I incorporated right in my response ;)
Well the Tea Party is f*cking the IRS!! Read about it.
No. Only the leftwing anarchists don't believe in private property. Most AnCaps believe in natural rights as absolute. The only restriction on life, liberty and property is another's life, liberty and property.
Anything not anarchy has some degree of collectivism. Ayn Rand was speaking of anarchist lefties, because back in that age the anarcho-capitalist movement was basically non-existent.
Paradoxically enough, anarchy is authoritarian because it is the most exploitable means of getting an oppressive government into power. There might as well be no property in anarchy because criminals can't be put to justice and will kill and steal in their own self-interest. The only one truly responsible for defending his rights is himself, and that isn't okay for most people.
Minarchy preserves the important aspects of anarchy but actually allows for a justice system to try lawbreakers and a cooperative military to hold foreign threats at bay and prevent oppressive governments from springing up.
CI, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GYf8Ph8KNQ
No, Ayn Rand was talking specifically about anarchist capitalists.
Anarchy can put people to justice through self-defense.
CPUS: Right is wrong, left is wrong. They are both authoritarian nuts. Power-hungry freedom-haters.
Libertarianism is freedom.
...but Libertarianism and Anarchy aren't the same thing...
Anarchy is naive, but well-meaning. It works under the assumption that criminals are always weaker than those they prey on, and that is sadly not the case. Self-defense is often not as effective nor as stringent a tool of justice as is necessary for deterring wrongdoing.
It doesn't matter what anarchy is. What matters is the moral ground. I find the state morally unacceptable, and only a society in which there is no state can be a just society. We can discuss the practicality of anarchism later when we're at that point, but now we need to further the progress of liberty - everywhere.
A state is only morally unacceptable if it does not fulfill its duty - to act as a partner to the people, to protect them from crime and foreign states, and to remain small enough not to become bureaucratic. A minarchy is just as righteous as anarchy, except more practical - it still does not allow a government to intervene in the personal lives of anyone but criminals (and politicians, I guess), does not let a government have any control over the economy, workplace, or home, and does not put the state first as authoritarians do.
Snabagag, I accept your premise as legitimate, but won't you don't see is that anarchy, while there is no state, produces rule by brute force.
But that is the beauty of it Liberosia, there is no rule only right and wrong.
*facepalm*
An absence of government is an absence of justice. A government that becomes too large destroys justice.
The state is never morally acceptable, no matter what it's duty is. A political system - a state - based on having the good guy in power is a failed political system.
I am withdrawing from this silly ass debate.
The state is needed for the protection of individuals from criminals and foreign powers. Without no order, there is anarchy. And an anarchy is a terrifying existence. Rogue post-governmental groups and individuals are given total freedom. This allows them to exploit the resultant power vacuum to oppress and murder people. Large corporations would be able to pay their workers pennies. Biker gangs could easily ride through a town, kill a dozen people, then ride out. There would be no institutionalised consequences, only the will for vegeance that exists in every human being could bring criminals to justice.
A small government is best, that protects the right of individuals to freedom, safety and justice. The state should mostly not interfere with the economy, but maintain regulations protecting small business, the environment and workers' rights. It's important to note that capitalism doesn't mean 'give freedom for big corporations to do whatever they want'. Laws should remain that prevent the rise of monopolies and protect small businesses from unfair business practices.
^ What this guy said.
Anyway, petty debates aside, we need to see some more activity and aid over in International Republican Union. If you haven't already helped, please send a puppet over and participate in the region's affairs. (Also, if you have a WA nation you can send or have not already joined the WA, please get a WA nation in there and endorse Southerness.)
I would like to process the PACT (Party) Act.
How are we doing raid-wise? It seems like the forces of communism are winning on NationStates. Who do we cooperate with in raids and how many are ongoing?
Please recruit. Pevvania, we have some raids in the works, but you should talk to our Manager of Military Affairs.
I just sent him a TG before. And I'll help recruit, sure. Can you send me a copy of the recruitment post?
Um, Yea for the Party act.
It's not fully processed yet, CP. (And it's called PACT Act)
Conservative, would you like to help me with a raid?
Well, sh!t did not have my cofe this morning.
GAWDAMMIT SPELLCHECK!!!!
Yes I would as always.
TG me details.
Oh not talking to me. Sh!t... Im going to go get some cofe ;)
Yeah, I think you should x) But I'll welcome any help.
What raid?
Oceasia, I told you you're not going to help me. You're a former communist and are likely to still hold red leanings.
Recruitment telegram is on the Regional Factbook.
Silly me x)
I'll get to work.
Welcome, Pakistam! I assume you got my message? :D
Wow you're good...
You assume correctly. It is a pleasure to be here friends. Though, I fear this arrival of mine, heralds a period of absence from the NationStates. I shall ask to be excused for a week or two, so that I am clear my finals.
Of course. Welcome to the region.
Aah, not that good. I sent recruiting messages to like 10 nations, and only one came :I I'll try to recruit every day.
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Just went on a big recruiting drive. Hopefully we'll get more people today. :)
How many people are you trying too recruit today?
Quite a few... I sent a nation to recruit in about 15 recruiter-friendly regions and I targetted the Pacifics.
Yeah, the Pacifics has a LOT of nations
Yes they are the bread and dbutter of new and old nations looking for a new home, half of them don't even like it there.
I HATE THIS "SPELLCHECK"!
Me too, annoys the hell outta me on iPod. Also, when are elections?
Please read the constitution.
Pro is the opposite of con.
Congress is the opposite of progress.
Conservatives are for progress and constitution.
Liberals are for congress and prostitution.
Say no to prostitution. Become a conservative.
Is anyone willing to send a WA nation to the IRU to help endorse the Chancellor?
Hi.
If you mean prostitution in it's intended meaning, I'm disagreeing. I can do what I please with my body.
And conservatives are only for progress if you are straight or religious. Libertarian minarchism is much more free.
1. I'm using obvious trollogic. Sure, I'm making fun of my own political values, but it's still quite funny.
2. The lack of morality in your first statement is staggering. Politically speaking you have a point.
3. You've been hanging out with the old guard for way too long if you think that's what conservatives are for. Especially since you're completely ignoring conservative libertarianism.
I'd just like to take this moment to remind you all that you are excellent individuals. Keep up the good fight.
I would like to revive this old amendment: DEMOCRATIC Amendment. It has been modified and its main purpose is to make the region more democratic through the introduction of more representative democracy.
I vote for it.
Is this an invader region?
It has an invader tag, but we don't raid much as long as i remember.
Oh, I would never do anything like that, but I wouldn't stop anyone else from prostituting.
And Conservative Libertarianism is hard to define because most who claim to be (Rand Paul, Glenn Beck) are just Conservatives or Libertarians. Not really both. If your against drug legalization, fine. But being against gay marriage just doesn't fly as a libertarian.
The words 'conservative' and 'liberal' are misnomers in American politics. They only thing the GOP want to 'conserve' is current social laws, and the only thing 'liberal' about the Dems are that they want to improve social laws. On economics, the GOP=liberal and the Dems=conservative.
And conservative libertarianism is an oxymoron.
Exactly. You are either or, not both.
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Indeed. But as I stated, 'conservative' and 'liberal' are misnomers, as both parties want to conserve one aspect of politics and liberalise another.
For example, how the hell could Reagan and Thatcher be dubbed 'conservative'? They were two of the greatest liberals that ever occupied their respective offices.
I'm referring to today's definition of conservative. I'm actually one of the most classical liberals I know.
Anyway, what does everyone think of the DEMOCRATIC Amendment?
I'm dissatisfied with the DEMOCRATIC amendment.
I don't really like it much either.
Why?
I don't know. It just doesn't seem like something a company would do, leaving its board to be democratically elected.
I like the Idea of the act, but it leaves something to be desiered.
It really does.
I think Libertatem has plenty of democracy and I don't think there is any need for more, perhaps it would be more suitable if the house could impeach board members.
The House CAN impeach board members.
Well, there we have it. Should the need arise, the house can excercise that power.
Justice!
As those who helped refound the region, you're all invited to the IRU Government Review Meeting tonight on an online chatroom. The URL for the Chatroom is:
http://us10.chatzy.com/24688467809114
Hope to see some of you there...
By tonight I think he means in about an hour.
Guys, I desperately need help with a prominent raid I've got going on. Please enlist!
Military Manager NST orders all volunteers to assist Pevvania.
Those of you who do not volunteer will be fired out of cannons at the enemy.
I volunteer that the hobos of Miencraft be fired out of cannons at the enemy.
They've all volunteered for it, too, I've got their sign-ups right here.
All of the signatures look like your--
I mean, uh, FIRE AWAY!
why do I think of that one scene from Monty Python...
That depends, there were lots of scenes in lots of Monty Python things.
Too many Monty Pyton scenes. I memorizes the Black Knight swordfight and the Holy Handgrenade parts.
Guys I am going to go see the Rolling Stones in Chicago so I will be inactive for a one week period after Monday.
Thank you, NST.
I, Kentuck, am making a movement to take the Supreme Allied Commander out of power in The Libertatem Empire. He is being charged with Corruption and Undermining the Authority of the Empire. Not only am I trying to get him out of power, I am trying to abolish the act of creating the position of Supreme Allied Commander.
If you agree please telegram me and the founder of your ambition to second the movement
I'm standing right here, you know. >_>
Can I have everyone's attention?
Lately, I've had a lot on my shoulders in this game. I'm trying to recover from a series of bad governmental policies in the IRU (and am still coming under scrutiny for some of my actions there), attempting to fight legislation that would permit a liberal parliament to decide the fate of all Imperial regions in the Libertatem Empire, working at taking over a communist region, campaigning for a government position in the Federal Islands, waiting for the PACT Amendment to come to a vote here, and dealing with many issues outside of NationStates that have served to make me very irritable. In other words, I've over-extended myself, and can't seem to withdraw from any of my endeavors without losing face in whichever region it is I'm in and allowing the state of affairs in each of those regions to crumble. I ask for you all to be patient with me.
People in the other regions, if you are reading this I ask for your patience also.
Thank you.
I am here to join the ongoing war against communism; where can I help?
I could use some help, but I don't know if I can trust you.
Wrong. You know you can't trust me!
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