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Region: Libertatem
This region stands behind the IDF and Israel against Fascism, terrorism, religious fanaticism, and racism.
And if Snopes is telling the truth, the IDF just dabbed on both Hamas and the whorish Media, tricking journalists into telling the world about a fake invasion that scared the terrorists into exposing themselves.
Miencraft, Narland, The United States Of Patriots
in an ideal liberterian society there would be no governmental foreign aid
Miencraft, Narland, New Tampa
Muh Roads, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa, Miri Islands, Anti-Polis
Well thats a given
I would make a point of clarification that in an ideal society there would only be self-government and by extension, self-government by voluntary association -- limited entities run by delegation through gifts, donations, and voluntary contribution (a majority vote for bond is considered voluntary), e.g. like US public institutions used to be before the Statist took them over -- fire, police, ambulance, roads, hospitals, lieberries, public[/] schools and made them into state institutions while fraudulently keeping the name "public" attached to them. The inverse relationship between liberty and the size and scope of external governance (government)is based on morality (good ethics) and education (not to be confused with schooling). The more responsible and mature the individual in lawfully exercising his rights, privileges, and immunities as a voluntary member of a free and open society the less need there is for (external) government of any sort.
Conversely the more irresponsible, immature, and malevolent the individual, the less free and open a society can be necessitating strong external government of some sort. Malevolent, and ignorant people need lots of government to punish their moral stupidity. The more willfully ignorant and morally stupid, the more despotism they bring upon themselves. Benevolent, educated (real education not socialist indoctrination through academics and scholastics masquerading as education), and capable (self-reliant) people need only that government that they from time to time in limited time, place, and manner specify as a public service, to be expired, retired, or reenacted as they see fit.
It was the view of our Framers. It makes sense. Those who want more (external) government are the more evil (malevolent, willfully ignorant, and morally stupid) amongst us.
Miri Islands
Miencraft, Auxorii, Rateria
We sure do live in one
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I got outside and built a fence yesterday. I gotta say in comparison to my work in retail, building something is way more satisfying. Looking back over this fence, carefully measured and level, cutting each piece to compensate for the roll of the land so it adds a nice, straight line, it's all fantastic.
Narland, Rateria, New Tampa, Miri Islands
The government should just employ everyone as fence makers then
The United States Of Patriots
Rateria, Miri Islands
New banner lookin real nice
Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots
oy vey
This is why I love you working on cars, it's nice when everything is working as it should
Narland, Rateria
shoah averted
can someone explain to me why we had a bill giving billions of dollars to Isreal a few months before they started shlt with Palestine
We give money to Israel all the time (and if we are gonna give it to anyone, it should be Israel).
Also, Israel didnt start anything.
Miencraft, Narland, Nosam Republic
we shouldn't give it to anyone
why is the US funding a war halfway across the world
Muh Roads, New Tampa, Nosam Republic
Well I know a few places that could use a fence. I was thinking more of a wall though
Narland, Auxorii, Miri Islands
congrats to phil mickelson on winning the pga championship. great performance
Narland
Hamas was (and still is) dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. Israel was constantly invaded and attacked by its neighbors and was forced to constantly defend itself in order to exist. If the U.S had never gotten involved, there could have very well been much worse slaughter in Israel-Palestine than we saw; and it couldve been a lot more gruesome.
But sure, you can just take the position that thats none of your business.
Alright, I will.
New Tampa
Auxorii, Rateria, New Tampa, Miri Islands
rofl. Someone reading over my shoulder said, "Don't congratulate golfers. It just encourages them!".
After thinking about it, Golfers are every Leftists nightmare. They are usually peaceably walking across the greens with casual conversation in unfashionable, yet self-governing manner. They mind their own business with a task at hand to accomplish a leisurely goal conducive to amiable satisfaction without need of outside opinion. They speak an outdated jargon to knowledgeably communicate their activity. They have no reason to be interrupted by external sources with trite and ill conceived diversions. By golfing they are helping to support some business owner.
Miri Islands
People moan about globalism and then nobody gives a damn when the state comes along and shoots their dog. What a travesty. Oh Lord.
Miri Islands
Trump Administration (cudos to Mike Pompeo and staff) brought unprecedented historic peace to the Middle East and in less than 120 days the next administration and this perfid Congress has taken us back to the wretched 1970s in more ways than one.
Miri Islands
Libertatems bi-monthly acid swinger pizza party has been canceled because Rateria took the money and got ripped off by the dealer. This is what happens when you drop 5 g on a new plug instead of going to the trusted woman we usually get our stuff from
Blame Rat
Rateria
On the bright side, we are still scheduled to play RuneScape Wednesday.
Rateria
Also the pga avoids wokeism
Narland
why is our banner shizrael
Miri Islands
israel is fascism, terrorism, racism, and religious fanaticism tho
And Palestine isnt?
Auxorii
maybe we should change the banner to something that won't constantly start arguments
Narland
Israel doesn't need our 3-4 billion dollars in aid a year to survive and defend themselves.
This is libertatem, can we not handle some talk on the rmb?
That is a pretty bad argument for removing it.
That being said I am in favor of it being changed just because I dont think libertatem should display itself as being unconditionally boot lickers of Israel.
But Auxorii and Highway Eighty-Eight will likely be opposed to that notion.
The States Of Balloon, Miri Islands
That's a prime example of a false dichotomy.
Are you stupid?
Yeah, a free and tolerant democracy and genocidal terrorists can't and shouldn't be compared.
Auxorii
Israel: an apartheid state that has minorities in its governments highest posts.
I say we have a poll
I never made a judgement on Israel. I'm just responding to the post that stated something to the effect of since Israel is a terrorist state Palestine isn't using a logical fallacy
Narland
lets see, Israel is a state founded on...religious ethno-centrism, and they deal with "the palestinian problem" by bombing the crap out of them.
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2021/05/20/israels-bombardment-of-gaza-is-destroying-schools-mosques-and-medical-facilities/
yes, yes i am. Got a problem with that?
Personally the latent anarchist part of me is opposed to both the idea of an Israel and Palestinian state, since well, states suck to begin with. But lets not pretend that Israel is innocent either.
Why would I be opposed to that notion? Highway Eighty-Eight asked me to put the Israeli flag up and I did so as I agreed with the sign of solidarity. I didnt expect a unanimous consensus but I did assume most would be fine with it.
But great idea, lets have a poll.
Israel was not founded upon religion. It was founded to give Jews a homeland, because nationalists and religious bigots elsewhere made it a necessity.
Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots
There wouldn't be a problem to bomb the crap out of if Hamas abandoned its goal of eradicating the Jewish presence in the Holy Land.
Israel is the side that wants to just sit there and exist. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority are the ones inciting all the violence. I mean, just look at how many times Israel was attacked, they extremely successfully defended themselves, and then they returned major territorial gains in exchange for recognition of their legitimacy.
We could have had an Israel four or five times as big as it is now, one that didn't give up Sinai or anything else, and just held onto all the land it conquered in defensive wars; but we don't have that, because that's not what they want. All that land would benefit them immensely, providing them lots of space between their borders and the heart of the Holy Land, but instead of holding onto that land for their own benefit, they consistently give it back and ask for nothing in return but recognition that they have the right to exist.
Of course, one should feel sympathy for all the regular people living in Palestinian territory; they're in the middle of a warzone because of their own government and the terrorists that control it, and ultimately the Palestinian government is doing nothing but throwing its own people out to be slaughtered because of the government's officially-declared purpose being to eradicate neighbors that want more than anything to coexist peacefully.
Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa
Jewish history is basically just the Jews trying to exist, and trying to blend in with the majority culture or segregate themselves based on whichever the majority wanted them to do, and then getting murdered and persecuted anyways.
Jewish history for the past 2 millennia is basically Jews being hated for being Jews, and then forced to be Jews when they try to not be Jews, and then murdered either way.
Israel is basically just the Jews saying F*ck all of you, no matter what we do, you always try to kill us, so were gonna all leave your sh**ty countries and mind our own business elsewhere.
(Just a reminder that even Jews who converted to Christianity were still considered Jews, were barred from basically the entire Christian community still, and all of their descendants were treated the same way. So it really didnt matter much if Jews completely adopted the native identity.
Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
our banner should be the Dutch flag.
Je maintiendrai.
I don't think showing solidarity to a country that just got 1000's of missiles launched at it by its neighbor that desires to exterminated them is bootlicking
Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii
That said, I don't think the banner needs to be the Israeli flag forever, I would be fine with the American flag after a little while
Narland, Auxorii
Maybe after 2 weeks or so?
Narland, Auxorii
our flag should be the kekistani flag
The election is rigged!
this is about the *banner* not the flag
Sounds like a good idea.
So much winning
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poll was designed to split opposition. request revote
New Tampa, Miri Islands
What? Thats just ridiculous.
A banner of 8-bit ultra cute kittens with laserbeam eyes playing "Give Peace A Chance" on MIDI piano meowing in harmonic unison while their eyes pew-pew disintegration bolts in rythym at advancing ferrets dressed as gestapo who explode into mesmerizing fireworks when hit.
Miencraft, Rateria, Anti-Polis
A banner based on the Bennington Flag, the Fort Moutrie Flag, or the Taunton Flag would be nice.
But what I would like to see is a banner of the illustrated busts of the likes of Jefferson, Tubman, Spooner, Hayek, von Mises, Ayn Rand, Rothbard, Ron Paul, in a mock Soviet Art Style but with yellow and black instead of red and yellow, with quotes of Liberty inserted underneath at regular intervals.
Quotes like, "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." Ronald Reagan
Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, New Tampa
I...actually like that. I'll play around with that.
Narland
sorry meant banner
yeah part of me said it as a joke but another part says that if the poll was just "should we keep the Israel banner yes/no" we'd be seeing different results
New Tampa
We are voting for a banner. The poll is not should the banner not be the Israeli flag? These polls work off of a majority win.
Miencraft, Narland
My grand-nephew was taught by his teachers not to say Happy Memorial Day (in a Washington State School). We had a long discussion about the English (to his chagrin) -- bwahahaha (that's my attempt at a heartfelt maniacal laugh), and what Happy means when spoken in the vocative -- like they teach what that (vocative) even is. So I gave him the same speech a WW2 veteran grandfather gave me (as best as I could recollect) when I complained (at about the same age) regarding the word Happy for Remembrance/Memorial Day that I picked up from some Leftivist school teacher. :)
When saying "Happy X Day" we are admonishing others to appropriately take stock with serenity and wisdom (in regards to whatever the commemoration/celebration) for the good fortune that we have and to enjoy the day to the best of our abilities for ourselves and others. In the case of Memorial Day, we are grateful for those who have fallen to make us safe and free, and to use the opportunity to take stock (for our good fortune) that as long as we remember those who have fallen (and the cause for which they fought), they will not have died in vain. So take a poppy and have a happy Memorial Day, and a blessed and safe Memorial Day Weekend.
I would highly recommend the book The Radical Enlightenment - Pantheists, Freemasons, and Republicans, by Margaret Jacob, to anyone interested in actual academic (non-sensational, non-political [in the driven sense], no crackpot involved) work on the subject of the radical Enlightenment, the influence and involvement of secret and other societies (masonic in particular).
Major topics are the scientific and philosophical basis of the period, the English Revolution, Newtonianism, the origin of Freemasonry.
Another book, which I have not completely finished, but which I personal find to be awesome, is Ralf Melzers Between Conflict and Conformity - Freemasonry During the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich
That book is something I wish more members of my own group would read, but I know that the authors revelations would be difficult (possibly painful) to accept.
I mean the poll was only created because the current banner is Israel and there was disagreement over that, don't twist things.
If it was truly about voting to set a banner then you would've put something like this up before setting the banner at all.
This but unironically.
These anti-Zionist vibes
(Anti-Zionism is a form of anti-semitism, holding that Jews do not have a right to self-determination, and therefore less-than everybody else. It is often a mask used to hide more extreme forms, and as a tool used to by more extreme anti-semites to bend those who dont realize that it is an anti-Semitic form of contrarianism to serve their agenda)
Auxorii
also one of the options is other, which is completely meaningless. its just baiting people into throwing their vote away. What would you even do if other wins but everyone go voted for it suggested a different banner? if this really is a poll to decide the banner, such suggestions should have been gathered ahead of time.
New Tampa
Post self-deleted by The States Of Balloon.
changed my vote because now I'm genuine curious about what will happen if "other" wins.
and my suggestion is the phone booth scene from Xavier: Renegade Angel
Rateria
You slumber, a cucumber!
You only got one peneye?
let me see it
Rateria
frittata
No. The poll was not intended to split the opposition. Youre reading far too into it and are the one twisting it,
How am I supposed to go back in time to appease you? Nobody said they wanted a banner except Wilhelm, who said we should put up the Israeli flag as a sign of solidarity. I didnt find it necessary to put up a poll for that - after people disagreed and called for one, I did - but now that poll was intentionally designed to split the opposition.
Now that other has won, you can all decide on something as a majority in the RMB right here and Ill set it to whatever that turns out to be.
If nobody speaks up by tomorrow Im just gonna assume everyones okay with my idea
Like Taco
It should be the word other, written in comic sans and in random colors, against a static noise background
Muh Roads, Auxorii, Rateria
Personally, I think its only appropriate that the O in other shouldve a Star of David inside an anti circle symbol. After all, how else will this regions majority express its anti-Zionist stance?
I mean, I would prefer we keep the current banner, but whatever. Lets do what you guys want.
Post self-deleted by The States Of Balloon.
You're making all of that up simply from the fact that some people don't want the flag of Israel to be the banner representing the region?
OMEGALUL
Well, with the exception of one, the only real objections to it were anti-Zionist, so yeah. Its not much of a stretch.
o t h e r
Muh Roads, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I'm Bill Curtis.
For those in the US, Happy Memorial Day.
Rateria, New Tampa
Happy Memorial Day. Not just another long weekend but a day to remember those brave men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for the freedom of our nation. Lets not make it so their deaths are in vain and continue to fight for our freedoms from threats foreign and domestic. Fight for better, patriotic education for our youths, against the growing leviathan of federal bureaucracy, and against threats from overseas that range from China to jihadists. That is what Memorial Day is about; remembering the past, reflecting on the present, and fighting for the future.
Narland, New Tampa
anyone know the dimensions of the banner specifically?
Unfortunately soldiers haven't really died for our freedom since WW2. Most of their deaths have been in vain serving a kleptocratic oligarchy. It is still wise to remember them, of course, like we remember the victim's of communism and the holocaust.
I dont know about you, but I personally think that the current regime in Afghanistan is probably a lot better than the Taliban, and that other countries being more free advances freedom for the world.
Korea, is another good example of not only a justified war, but a war that advanced freedom.
Kosovo, another great example.
Vietnam was actually a successful war until we pulled out to appease Marxists on the home front (government officials who knew we had already won should have upheld their obligation their to the American people against a mob controlled by Marxists that did not understand the level of propaganda being fed to them by the media and soviet agents and the fact that we had won the war).
A few smaller conflicts.
The United States Of Patriots
Moreover, the Holocaust cannot be compared to anything. It is a unique and terrible event unrivaled except maybe by the current actions of the Chinese against their ethnic minorities, and especially the Uighur and other Muslim and Turkic peoples.
The soldiers of Vietnam owe a great deal of their disrespect to the government for failing to protect them and support them, even today, but the majority came from the anti-government (Marxist led) mob. Mobs are never, ever, conducive to Liberty. The biggest blow to our soldiers was pulling them out and giving up after they had already won and defeated the Viet Cong and NVA following the Tet Offensive.
Narland, New Tampa
I agree. I am still undecided about the Balkan War and which side was which. Getting a "thank you" letter from the workers of the former Yugo factory that we (US Military) bombed to oblivion was an ironically proud moment.
Advancing freedom is good, but it is better to to do the right things for the right reasons. The Globalists have masqueraded their treachery in our foreign wars by doing the right things for the wrong reasons. Just enough good to get the People behind it, but not good enough to advance the cause of Liberty.
We have had issues with militant Islam since our founding. We would send our troops in, kill the offending jihadist to a man, demand a fatwa from an imman that Allah has favoured the infidel for this generation. Jihadist would leave us be for about 50-70 years and the process would start over, and the last encounter was under General Pershing. Then we got the disappointment of Bush. Instead of wash, rinse, repeat, he decided to treat the enemy as if they were a western nation to secure the mineral rights secured under international treaty by Lawrence of Arabia et al. that was about to expire.
After Desert Storm and Iraqi invasion we had the opportunity to give Iraq a Federal Constitution (with its obligatory Bill of Rights), tell them to choose a western body of Common Law, open their borders to US (and allied) trade and commerce with our teachers, businessmen, professionals, and missionaries, and tell them they had 10 years to make it work -- no different than we did for Japan and Germany. But the Rhodes-ian Globalists and the Bush 43 administration went down the failed policy road.
Had we done that for Afghanistan as well, there would be young generation of various Iraqi and Afghani exposed and accustomed the concepts of Liberty and Equality, and the duties and responsibilities that come with it. A constitutional federal republican Iraq of 3 to 7 states would have given us an ally of freedom. A constitutional federal republican Afghanistan of self governing 20-40 Cantons may not have given us an ally of freedom, but it would have given us the opportunity to allow them to grow into a self-sustained bulwark that is a self-governing responsible member of the international community.
But the short-sighted globalists only care about creating a two-tiered Neofeudal planet of lords and serfs.
Totally agree.
I would like to add that imnsho, the Paris Peace Accord was a sham. Vietnam was ready for a full surrender and our Establishment Elite betrayed us. The major newswires and broadcast media treated it like a defeat. We won every battle but lost the war because of them. Had we listened to Goldwater, MacArthur, Gritz, et al., Vietnam would be enjoying one of the highest standards of living in SE Asia up their with S Korea,. Our Vietnam vets would be treated with respect and dignity of at least winning a hard fought police action under a UN mandate, if not war heroes themselves.
In France their Vietnam Vets who actually were defeated are treated with the dignity and respect of those who made an hard but wise decision of honorably strategic withdrawal.
Miri Islands
10:1, or 1200x120
Republic Of Minerva
WW2 Anti-Fascist video:
https://youtu.be/iQ0ct9bglYo
Jadentopian Order
Commutatem
Warm Greetings from the Republic of Conservative Nations.
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West Phoenicia
President of the RCN
Reminds me of make mine freedom which was a anti communist cartoon from 1948
Which was always one of my favorites
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