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but i plan to eventually move to the south,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVeSKwM--1M&hd=1
I am proud to be an American, but I won't bow to the government. Also, there are citizens of America I'm not proud of either
Actually i would not mind if the South Succeeded, The Majority of North and Pacific bordering states are falling to Socialism.
Obama and the welfare slackers you mean? that saying not everyone on welfare are slackers but some are.
Which saddens me
I did a thing.
http://imgur.com/FaSWm9R
On-topic:
I find nationalism and patriotism have been pretty distorted lately. I'm proud to be American, but not in the least bit proud of what our "representatives" are doing.
Also, those states that want to secede should go ahead and do that. Why should we care? If anything, we should officially support their movement, since we started out the same way.
I am a northerner and consider all of you to be traitors.
The confederate club is that way -------------->
Yeah seriously. Go take your plantations and stupid food and stupid accents and racism elsewhere
The North is too Socialist leaning.......... I plan on moving to Texas or South Carolina when i can.
That's harsh, no one supports slavery
I plan to stay in Indiana, we are in the black.
Communal does that is why he wants all workers to be ruled by a Vanguard party.
California for the win!
Yet it still is fairly right wing, and lacks all the southern democrats, racists, and homophobes.
New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Mass. etc. are all considerably socially libertarian. Even California is not as libertarian (full of hate speech advocates).
On a different note, Texas won't be red too much longer
Just the states with big cities mostly, like Cali, New York, and Illinois. But at least those states still have class. The worst racism we have up here is canadian jokes about their maple syrup and maple leafs.
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On a different note, Texas won't be red too much longer
Michigan is not too Socialist, i hope that Michigan turns red.
Can't tell if you're serious or not
I live there
California should be split. there is alot of Right wingers in Rural California that have almost no say because of LA and other large cities.
You call that Socialism?! That is liberalism. Its when you have extensive public services, but keep the capitalist economics. Do not compare American liberalism with socialism.
I live in the south and I hate it. If you like "sexuality conversion therapy", the abusing of immigrants, and gutted social services then come here. Make sure your catholic or protestant only, don't want to be a heathen.
They're pretty borderline.
I seriously doubt that, but let's hear your reasoning, I'm interested?
u r funny
I say this, I don't think red or blue is the answer
I will come there!
Communal lets switch, I can have the Greatest state in the Union and you can have Michigan
I want a state to turn yellow, please.
Yeah that's what I'm saying they aren't even socialist. I am probably moving to Manhattan some day, and considering I'm generally liberal I'm alright with that.
Yellow!(or whatever the libertarian party color is)
Republican: Red
Democrat: Blue
Libertarian: Yellow
Green: Obvious
Which state is that?
Texas!
With the major Hispanic population coming to Texas, they traditionally vote democrat. With a very liberal media, they project republicans will deport them or take away their rights. Liberal media paints every republican as a racist against every ethnicity, and I think the shift will cause the majority of Texas to end up blue. I could be wrong, but that's my logic
I hope this place rots. They are all ignorant and all have the same views on everything. A bunch of loud mouthed people here that aren't educated or smart.
Horrible place to live if your not white, Christian, or straight. Also, our oil won't last forever. Keep that in mind.
*begins waving Georgian flag in protest*
but i am white,Christian and Straightish
Your right. Fox news has become communist.
States not in debt, Indiana, louisiana, and Texas. Also Florida basically has no state taxes. It's either Indiana or Florida for me.
I assume sarcasm.
at least we are not apart of Mother Britannia any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZfRaWAtBVg&hd=1
So you don't care about the proletariat? Elitist, much?
I dedicate this to of lack thereof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGy2SbXTNE&hd=1
If you know anything about communism, it takes the most advanced segment of the working class to being class consciousness to the proletariat. people need education about the world around them is all though. Can easily be accomplished by the systematics of vanguardist upbringing.
Or let people find out the world around them is tough on their own.
"The Greatest State in The Union" lol get out
That actually makes sense, never thought of it that way
I hope I'm wrong, but it is a strong possibility
You were wrong about the media, but right about the transition to a blue state due to immigration.
I'm of the opinion that no matter how much education you have, you can't stomp out bigotry. Some of the Internet Nazis I met sounded quite intelligent than the brutish neo-nazi stereotype. Or is this all a masquerade?
We have no reliable news anymore, it's either slanted to the right or to the left, we have no truth.
Your also not reaching out to the very same people who could grant you what you desire.
Immigration is only bad because of the American corporate advancements made in Mexico. It makes millions exempt from the Mexican economy. Why is it that the immigration rates so high now more than ever?
For better economic opportunity available in America that is not available in mexico
True
Simple. Make a publically funded news service, like the U.K, Australia and others. Best news coverage, unbiased can't lean on any side or it will lose legitimacy. NPR should get more funding.
You do realize that those networks would be biased to the status quo of the government...
The BBC for the UK and what is it for Australia?
Would you think people would watch it if it was really like that? I implore you to visit BBC or NPR.
He's right communal
So much Reagan bashing.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=300544
Why reagan bashing?
The same reason that i feel like people would watch FOX - they like to hear nonsense and propaganda, or are perfectly fine in trusting some massive entity with considerable priorities and agendas for their newsfeed.
As well as CNN and MSNBC
That literally hurt my head
I prefer private international sources, like Al Jazeera (although it is controlled by a public entity, it functions like a charter school.) Least biased, best quality news.
I've got some serious issues with that. Aside from it being funded by theft, a nationalized news serious can easily function as a propaganda department for the state. This can be seen in all sorts of middle eastern and Asian countries. Even in the west (sort of)RT is a clear proponent of Russian policies regardless of the facts. Press ought to serve as a watchdog of the state, not a lapdog.
Wow, I shake my head
Really? Do you really think the U.S government could get away with that? I think it is offendable when corporate media is considered unbiased by the american populace. The reason why we are so hated is because most americans are ignorant, blindly prideful, bitterly individualistic, and nationalistic that they think America is heaven on earth and that we need to keep the 200 year old system forever. Maybe if we took a system into consideration that fitted the actual needs of the people, maybe just maybe we wouldn't be so damn backwards. It is people that are so individualistic that they won't accept outside help with anything. It is people who believe survival of the fittest is a justice system that makes this country socially backwards.
It is people and mother nature over profits. Wealth is an object. Earth can be used to benefit man and I am fine with that but there comes a time when the market economy becomes so reliant on the disintegration of the planet, that there needs to be a serious reconsideration of the very definition of market and value. There needs to be a reconsideration when people are simply viewed as a commodity to be traded. We need change now and it isn't going to happen until people like you actually see how many people the system you put forth starve 18 people every minute, when you see the atmosphere being depleted, natural resources depleted, and people slaughtered- all because of money. Why not make a system not based on a piece of paper?
I will respond to this currently and feel free to rebuttal afterwords, but be aware that I probably won't respond again until tomorrow(this whole dependency on sleep can really get in the way sometimes).
To address the initial point of state run media,
1) yes, the American government could get away something like that. The vast majority of the populace would eat it up. Look at the droves who came out to label snowden A traitor and even those upset by blanket survlience haven't archived real change even with the public fully aware of the dangers.
2) I did not mean to defend corporate media, nor do I think that was implied anywhere in my statement. I find the current state of American "journalism" to be degrading at best. Furthermore, the general public buying into the media ahold be evidence enough that a state run service could easily be corrupted.
3) I would argue there are a multitude of reasons the abstract of "America" is disliked around the world, general ignorance not being the least, however I would propose that the last century+ of American foreign policy would be the largest factor in attracting negative attention around the world.
3) I don't recall ever defending the system we have in place, nor desiring the current state of American affairs to contour forever. If anything, my views could not be farther from that.
4)I fail to see how individualism could contribute to a society's image around the world, nor why that perceived image would be of any real consequence. (Note this is where we start to tred off topic and start to grandstand)
5)in a true market society, not the corporatist nonsense we see today, companies couldn't get away with the environmental shniz they pull today. Think of how cooperate lobbying has limited the operating efficacy of consumer groups. Keep in mind that a voluntary society must be a knowledge society, and that a knowledgeable consumer base isn't going to spend money if a producer is harming them.
6)the only time people are viewed, in a literal sense, as a commodity is when the state gets involved.
7). I agree that the current system we have in place all over the world is flawed and leads to the deaths of millions each year, but I believe we disagree on why that is. While you hold that it is a market's misallocation of resources that produce global inequalities and suffering, I strongly disagree. Again, it is when the state gets involved that the grossest of crimes against humanity occur.
I stopped going on Al-Jazeera, when they replaced Al-Jazeera English with Al-Jazeera America. I liked it more before. :(
I basically only go to Al-Arabiyya, Al-Bawaba, BBC, VICE, and Jihadology for news. Sometimes watch FOX, but they usually end up repulsing me.
Lol, I put number 3 twice.
For a RW example of seven I recommend this video
http://www.learnliberty.org/videos/a-tale-of-two-countries-botswana-and-zimbabwe/
A bit lengthy, but a fascinating lecture regardless of political stripes.
I go to British Broadcasting Channel
1) You can't make a public news service biased. It would make the entire point of providing an alternative to corporate media meaningless. Sure you could argue that it is possible, but I highly doubt that it would ever turn out as a full blown propaganda network.
2) BBC isn't out their preaching how great the United Kingdom is or chanting "God Save the Queen" in every commercial. Its unbiased and a much better alternative to American Corporate media.
3) I would agree with you on that one. Ignorance being second or third on the list.
4) What I meant by that is we are the most fiercely individualistic in the world. If you go to some where like Germany, it is a community of people, not just competition. I guess this doesn't really contribute to the negativity but still.
5) A "free market" isn't possible when there is this many people in the world. Sure, maybe it worked when there were about 1 billion people living world wide, but the "free market" will only misallocate resources even more so than before. I also doubt the likelihood of a free market being created ever again. Every country in the world has some regulation to a degree.
6) A bourgeois state maybe, but a state that is not focused on capital accumulation, no. We as communists, see people as contributors to society, individual workers, but united as one. Unity in execution
7) Capitalism regardless of what state produces such atrocities. Stalin was capitalist in some regards, although I believe his numbers were a bit miscalculated by the west. Russia's reports found that he may have been the result of any where from half a million to 2 million deaths. Still really bad but not as bad.
Greetings everyone. I am new here so whats is the general information I need to know about this region?
of course those evil Capitalists always change the facts and lie. A Communist could never do that.
If you are referring to the comment I made about corporate media, then let me say this:
They have no allegiance but to themselves. They can put out complete rubbish and brand it as news and people would eat it up too.
If you instate a public news service, it would provide a service to that of people wanting to hear news, just news. They hold allegiance to the public, not their own interests. In that regard, a well funded "PBS" is in order to offer a more reliable, and unbiased network. And if people don't like it, they can go back to Fox news. Although, I highly doubt people would actually choose to do so.
sure, its not like the government would slip propaganda to trick the public or anything.
I would trust Corporate ran news stations over a government funded news station any day.
The only way I would support a larger pbs is if the states payed individually for it. If your state pays then you get that channel. State governments are not as mischievous as the federal government.
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He rolled over in his grave when CE walked in and has been whimpering since.
Not half as much. ;)
He speaks the truth. Hi!
I'm going to be real here for a second, I'm not sure if we're having a legit discussion, or if you're just trolling me hard.
Ya. You can make a public news service biased.......REAL BAD
[I]really really bad[/I]
Not even that, but the whole thing. I'm uncertain if we have wildly different perceptions of reality, or if communal is attempting to get a rise out of me.
Itacos granted. ;)
Likely both. Hes more than slightly dillisional.
The gub mint took muh babies in Nam. That's why I'm libertarian.
Woo breakfast
Like we said before, Brain Damage
On a different note, gas is now four dollars where I live, does anyone have it better or worse.
3.94 & 9/10
Yikes, well at least it's not four yet(sarcasm)
Yet we still depend on OPEC, why?
The worst part is, where I live, is how awful the roads are. Pay through the nose on a freaking gas tax and get no results when it comes to mantinence. There is actually a face book hate page regarding the condition of the roads in my town. But the real kicker is that the city council approved a 1.2 million dollar road sign with the city's name on it to be constructed next to our interstate exit. This is real life
Ya, but some places its less. Mobil and Sunoco charge almost 4, but Kwikfill is still at 3.69 and you can get five cents off per gallon. Thats good.
Who knows? The gubmint knows.
Same. Doesn't help that I drive a jeep. But i didn't buy it for gas mileage.
Whats the gubmint?
Hah. I drive a BMW, I like how it drives and it gets good milage. My Dad has a Mazda RX-7 from back when they were cool. Its insane. Really fun to drive, huge showy piece, but that gets gas milage like.....well the gas milage is like 12 mpg. The bmw is closer to 35-40.
I drive a honda civic, it costs 40 dollars for a fill up.
That's awful
I suppose drilling for our own oil and actually keeping it in America and building the Keystone Pipeline wouldn't do us any good. Oh, wait a minute...
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