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At the moment is moving the ones he wants to get rid of to his region, Cashnatchee. Of the ones he is thinking of giving away so far, 2 have 26 million and 1 has 23 million. He will be putting more there.

Well, could you tell him I want those puppets...please? They would be a valuable resource for us.

Okay. He is going to be moving some more in.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=cashnatchee

There are the ones he is offering. Select the ones you want and he will change their passwords and move them to Libertatem.

I'll take all of them...should I contact him personally to oversee the transfer?

Please contact Holtmanton for the transfer. He wishes his identity to be anonymous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egY8rUpxqcE

I did it MY WAY!

My fellow nations, it seems the filth of the earth (aka the communists) have seized Antisoc and attempted to make it their own. I would like you to know, that even though they "own the region", they can never change the name of AntiSoc: the idea still lives on in this region where it originated. They will forever have the brand of AntiSocialism to wear and carry with them. However, this violent act calls for justice. We are inherently freedom loving individuals and capitalists, not so much fascists and we abhor all forms of statism and totalitarianism; these rats have called us all Nazis and liken us to Statists when in fact we are the ones fighting for true justice and freedom. All this will do is strengthen my resolve. I hope it will do the same for you.

Hear, hear! Fear not, we have Libertatem to be the Anti Socialism mecca!

We do indeed! The fight will continue, forever and ever! Never fear, for we will stand against the evil that is communism!

Post self-deleted by President Richard Nixon.

So who we gonna invade first?

-Nixon

Nixon, if you wanna invade, you gotta be WA, simple as that.

I have been asked by my region of the International Republican Union to ask for your assistance in securing The Caliphate from invaders so it can be returned to Rorms. They need WA Members. Please contact the RORMS nation of Bagghar or the IRU nation of The Christian Society Of Engineers. Thank you. We must bring justice.

Sure...but I have been talking to him for a while.

Post self-deleted by Liberosia.

I am going to The Caliphate.

All right, I support the defense of The Caliphate.

They say thank you and god speed. Please endorse Visser One.

I am happy to see Libertatem is bringing justice and peace to the world.

Thankyou...let it be known that we will help our allies and in this case, our friends.

Here is some inspirational music from Ol' Blue Eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EFPJL1uQbs

I find the music that our grandparents listened to be far superior to modern music. That's just me.

The Caliphate is now secured. The next steps will be implemented.

Frank, I'm down with that, but I am more of a country genre kind of person.

I like country a lot too. Especially the older country like Charley Pride, Glen Campbell, and Patsy Cline.

My favorite just has to be Weylan Jennings and Willy Nelson. I also like the Bellamy Brothers and new country singers like Toby Keith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Talking

OH, YEAH !!!

I just want everyone's thoughts on this... The Federal Islands seem to think they invented the War on Communism. I pointed out that they had never used the term (ever) on their message board or regional board and that all it said was that they are "very anti-communist". Aside from that, they have a lot of candidates running for their Congress that are centrist/liberal/libertarian that oppose interventionism. It seems their region is not fully anti-communist. What do you think?

I'd like to point out that our region, specifically in October 2011, were enemies of the communists and unsuccessfully invaded 2 communist regions and were nearly condemned for it which proves that we were the ones who founded The War on Communism.

Sir, I was saying you didn't use the actual term "War on Communism". That is something I invented to solidify the capitalist movement against the forces of AntiFa. Additionally, and I hate to say it, your region is going soft on the communists from what I've seen of the Congressional Debates.

I respect your anti-communist stance, but can you prove to me that you have ever used the exact term "War on Communism"? I don't think you can, so we are the ones who invented the term. We didn't invent the ideology of anti-communism, just the uniting term that we are utilizing to bring nations to our cause.

We don't want to do too much to get us tried for condemnation again, so we only invade small communist regions with the maximum amount of nations being 10.

We used the term "War on Communism" when the Acsn, then known as ICAC, was using it.

Can you provide proof of that? Have you used it anywhere? If you did invent it, why didn't you use it for your own region's description?

Well, they're not going to provide proof...I guess we win.

Post self-deleted by Coldwell Banker Bain.

It's kind of sad actually.... We don't even want victory over our allies. On another note, let's all start recruiting more (I have been for a while). Telegram me if you want the message I have been sending.

Post by Neutricland suppressed by Liberosia.

Neutricland

We started the war against communism. I have to make a correction though. It was actually The Acsn who invented the term "War on Communism. I saw it on the forums and it was called "The Second War on Communism"

It's obvious that they're just reaching now.

Hey all, I am not really a communist...just made this nation to show what communism will, inevitably, become: a corrupt dictatorship. I have been a member of Libertatem since its conception, just got back from an ambassadorial job.

It seems our region is becoming somewhat stagnate after we had a massive influx of nations...the remedy is recruiting. We need to get more nations to join our region and our cause. Please telegram me for the recruitment message.

I requested to purchase some fighter jets and my request was denied on the basis that my nation is too young and that a private enterprise can not be trusted with militarial force! Can you believe this? This is an outrage!

Indeed, who denied you?

This is Snabagag's version of our constitution, please comment:

The constitution of

LIBERTATEM

A region united in the sole cause of sustaining justice

1st article:

Libertatem has one value above all others and that is justice. Libertatem will exist solely to defend civil liberties and attack what kills them: communism, socialism and any other form of statism. By entering Libertatem, one accepts those values and others described in this plaque and devotes oneself to achieving this task.

2nd article:

Nations in Libertatem must adhere to the common law of the region such as:

1. All nations shall limit the public sector to 15% of the economy.

a. Special exemptions from this rule can be granted to new nations. For the exempted, they shall limit their public sector to 25% of the economy.

2. All nations shall limit income taxes to 15%.

a. Special exemptions from this law can be granted to new nations. For the exempted, they shall limit income tax to 25%.

3. Never shall a nation act on the liberties of their citizens by law. That includes

a. Forbidding activities that are not harmful to neither the economy nor society.

b. Restricting freedom of speech.

c. Acting on the wishes of special-interest groups or lobbyists by law and/or tax money.

3rd article:

Never may a nation part of Libertatem resolve their individual problems by going to war. However, defense is perfectly acceptable and encouraged. Nations may attack once they have been attacked or once they face serious threat of attacks.

a. Libertatem as a region wages, by law, war against statism, and that includes military action on the military of an enemy region/nation.

a. 1. When at war, Libertatem shall strive to protect citizens and only attack hostile forces. Mass murdering of citizens is and will be considered criminal offense and nations/their leaders which partake in such activity will be prosecuted.

4th article, on economies:

a. When facing an economic meltdown of any sort, no nation may attempt to „bail out“ certain companies/corporations or any other form of business.

b. There is no official currency in Libertatem, and neither can import taxation or tariffs of any sort be initiated by nations part of the region.

c. On currencies:

1. The government of each nation shall never make actions to inflate/deflate the currency by monetary actions.

2. Should central banks be founded, such institutes shall be rigorously audited.

Well it looks nice but at the same time even I am outside some of these lines but given time I could pull it in closer. Also I need to look into Article 4 section B better. Now taxes even basic citizens here inside the US tend to pay just over 14% kind of hard to limit that at the moment as I am still at 17% but will work on it and I understand not allowing big Government I'm trying to get the sector down.

I am thinking the prescriptions in the constitution should either 1) be guidlines, or 2) be able to be officially pardoned by the founder (me) or the current WA delegate. This constitution tends to more rigidity. I would like to see more freedom or less rules for the individual nations. Additionally, the constitution should be focused more on limiting the regional government and/or giving the regional government more power.

Here's mine:

We the people, in order to establish a government limited in power, promote individual liberty, secure the national and domestic defense, and permit the workings of a free market, do ordain this constitution for the People.

Article I

The Legislating Body

1. The power of the federal government shall be vested in a legislature known as Congress who will hold a majority of the government officials.

2. The country shall be set into multiple districts and from each district, the people shall choose a representative for the branch of the legislature known as The People’s House of Representatives. The Representative shall serve for a term of two years.

3. A representative must be over the age of 18 years and without a criminal record.

4. Among the respective legislatures of the various state entities (separate from the federal districts), shall choose one man or woman to represent their state in a Senate. Senators shall serve in a term of four years.

5. Senators must be over the age of 25 and without a criminal record.

The Powers of the Congress

1. The Congress shall be responsible for collecting a maximum 10% income tax and agreeing upon the manner in which it shall be spent through any way they choose.

2. The income tax may be decreased for the entire nation (i.e. the Congress can decrease the tax to 5% for everybody), but Congress shall make no law increasing the income tax over 10% of an individual’s income.

3. The Congress may collect a maximum 25% corporate tax, which it may decrease but never increase the tax and spend in the manner it shall choose.

4. The Congress may collect a maximum 5% tax on all sales of stock (comprising the stock’s total value) and may decrease but never increase the tax. The Congress may allocate the funds in any manner they shall choose.

5. The Congress shall have the power to control the money supply, but it may never intentionally inflate or deflate the value of the dollar in the event of recession or to cover budget deficits.

6. The Congress shall allocate spending (the amount of which they shall choose) to a National Defense, an internal/domestic security force, and a Justice system.

7. All budget surpluses may be saved or redistributed back to the people in a manner which the Congress shall establish.

8. All powers not specifically allocated to the Congress are forbidden.

Article II

The Executive Body

1. The Executive Branch shall consist of a President, who shall also be the Commander in chief. The President may choose any officials he or she should want.

2. The President shall choose a Vice President who will be his running mate every 3 years.

3. The President shall be elected by means of a national vote.

Executive Power

1. The Executive Branch shall be the administrators of the justice, defense, and domestic force.

2. The President may appoint all ambassadors.

3. The President shall, with a 2/3 majority of the Senate, approve treaties.

4. All powers not specifically allocated to the Executive Branch are forbidden.

Article III

The Judicial Body

1. The Judicial Branch shall consist of justices chosen by the Congress to settle civil and criminal disputes.

Article IV

Amendments

1. Amendments may be made to the constitution with a national vote of 90%.

2. Congress and the Executive Branch may do nothing it is not specifically designated to do, including bills and executive orders.

@Liberosia: The nation who denied me the purchase of the fighter jets was Virana.

On the constitution, I like yours but I do think a 25% corporal tax is too high and suggest it to be a maximum of 17,5%.

I also like your idea of the constitution being guidelines or rigid laws from which certain nations can be pardoned by you/the leader of the region.

I would also suggest we construct some kind of organized voting for the regional delegate for the WA so that nations don't go around randomly endorsing he and who without the candidate that represents the most nations being chosen.

Snabagag,

Thanks for the input...the question over the WA delegate position is a tricky one, indeed. Frequent power change is good for the health of a region (not in real life, of course, just for the game). Since I ultimately have power over the region as well, and abuse by the WA delegate can be countered by myself. This is not to say I'd overturn or banject the delegate, just restrain them from an abuse of power or straying from the region's original purpose. In short, I am against a formal election for the WA delegate (no caps on endorsements ever, also).

The 25% corporate income tax is actually very low (also remember this is just a limit on the size-> it may and probably would be lower for nations who actually wanted to make themselves successful). The USA has a 35% tax right now, and we do okay (*ummm, actually maybe not-> $16000000000000 of debt). Anyways, my point is there needs to be a balance between a nation's sovereignty and our own free market restrictions (that's kind of an oxymoron isn't it?).

We need a new WA delegate. I don't want the position, but can we have some volunteers?

I've had an eye on the position, especially since I never notice our delegate, with full due respect, voting for any of the resolutions, though I will not assert that with perfect confidence. I usually wait to see what our delegate does and try to reflect my decision in that but I usually don't have the chance.

Also what I said about the endorsements, I do by all means want them to be absolutely unrestrained, just to have that clear. All I wanted is a little more order than chaos but probably that's just me.

If anyone would be interested in having me as the regional delegate, my values would be:

1. Less legislation

2. Less legislation

3. Less legislation

4. Providing circumstances for the free market and individual liberties to flourish (obviously).

There is one thing I should mention and that is that I am not well informed of the global nationstates political world. I do not know about ongoing raids or anything in the liking, so I would most likely not be suggesting the liberation of specific nations except those raided by communists.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=201951

Am I the only one that thinks we need to adress this as a region?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYahz6VIpIM - a great conservative song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxqKCi7pMsk

I much prefer Frank Sinatra...

Oh no I hit Capitalizt lol

Military action has been taken, Snabagag.

Good to hear Liberosia.

On another subject, I have seized the position of regional delegate. With this fact I am enthralled and happy to have the support I have but nevertheless, I feel it is not right to be supported by only 20% of the WA members and under 4% of the region itself. Therefore, I pledge support!

My views as previously declared are that more legislation is not necessarily good legislation except on human rights matters and that I will do everything in my power to ensure the free market lives a prosperous life.

There is now a ridiculous proposal before the WA General Board regarding corporations which dictates that each corporation must give 20% of its profits to the homeless and poor. This is outrageous and completely ridiculous! Thankfully, it has only a few approvals and mine will so surely not be among them.

It is right: those are the rules. Just discuss whatever you're going to do with me before you do it...unless of course I've been inactive and you just have to banject somebody.

So, what did everyone think about the debate? Romney most definitely won.

I would say the cat is out of the bag on just how arrogant Obama is he is defiantly a socialist who don't care about what you did for yourself just what can he take from you and give to the lazes.

I definitely agree with Romney states should take care of there own health and education and keep the feds out of it.

The budget is a big chit pie and we are all going to have to take a big bite to get out of the whole but i'm willing as long as my fellow Americans are going to eat their slice.

I been working on getting a company set up and like Romney said there's to much government interference and its bringing down the economy.

This is what I'm facing, I have a 1 ton dully and a 32ft 24k trailer I would like to Hual my tractor around to do jobs and maybe do some hot shot work with small freight.

I'm over 26,001lbs so i need --

Cdl class A $64

DOT Physical $65 annual

Dot inspection truck $65 annual

Dot inspection trailer $65 annual

Insurance truck $200 monthly

Insurance trailer $75 monthly

General liability coverage 750k somewhere around $28 per day

US DOT number $300 Annual

TX DOT number $125 Annual

All that must be done before I can even put an AD out just to see if I can get some work. Then you have to take into consideration Cost of -

Vehicle

Trailer

Fuel

Tires

Maintenance

And then figger out how your going to survive on the rest.

Hot shoting local short trips 1c per pound

longer 38-42c per mile + fuel

Government bureaucracy really angers me. I worry about our future if Romney is not elected.

Never fear, the Republicans will retake the House and the Senate. It'll be Bill Clinton all over again: us forcing Barry to do what we want (hmmm...maybe that's not so good, Clinton took all the credit last time...).

Government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem. -Ronald Wilson Reagan

Beautiful song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZ3jPMM5Ac

The Battle Hymn of the Republic is good, but I prefer Dixie.

I think both are great songs. I was born and raised in the north, but have many sympathies with the south.

Let's have a discussion on economics. I happen to be a believer in Classical/Libertarian/(kinda)Laissez-faire economics. What all is your view? I am pretty sure most of us believe in small or limited government, but how much do you think government spending and taxes should take out of the GDP?

I am also a believer in believer in Classical/Libertarian/Laissez-faire economics.

States should handle - Education/Health care

Fed government should handle - Foreign policy, Military and protect Civil liberty's/Rights

These are the just the basics. This is where it should start and keep it as small as possible.

Not sure if y'all remember Herman Cain going on about his 9-9-9 plan which is a good start as far as he was talking about taxes and all everyone would say is what about state tax's and he keep telling them its apples and oranges. Well it is apples and oranges. Right now we the lower class pay somewhere around 14.5% after its said and done but that's just FED, States are a lot different. Here in Texas all state funding is on sales which is 7.25% on everything so if you don't buy you don't pay fair enough right. Now in lets say North Carolina its different they do state income tax which right now I'm not going to lie I'm not sure the number but also on top of that they charge you for other things like for instance, Texas you buy a car you pay the tax on the sale and that's it, North Carolina you pay tax on that car every year for what the car is worth. Now sure you can look at it like well you pay tax's on both cars and you would be right but look at it like this in Texas you buy your car and pay say $1400 in tax's one time Vs paying every year on what the car is worth where would you rather register your car... Now property Tax's differ also and the can go sky High 5 acres will run you in my county about $850 a year in tax's. My Uncle had 87 acres and payed $8200 per year in tax's. Being the good nephew I talked him into letting his neighbor keep his cattle on it and take the farm deduction.

Interesting point...I believe that the federal government should only take a maximum of 10% of the GDP in total spending (for a large military, civil defense/prosecution, and intelligence agencies). I am personally for a very small income tax (flat % however) because a tax on income and not on products cheapens the price of said products. Now, common sence tells us that it doesn't matter where the tax comes from because it's still being taken out of the nation's economy, but cheaper goods means more exports and more exports means more jobs and more jobs means more tax revenue, etc., etc., etc. China is actually doing this (artificially) right now by refusing to allow their currency to gain value (go Mitt Romney!). Romney wants to institute protectionist taxes on Chinese goods to eliminate their artificial edge. Yeah! America!!!

Greetings. I have decided to join up with you in your pursuits - let's go over, once again, for all of the world to see, how communism simply doesn't work.

Thank you for your support! Right now, we're having a discussion on economics, so if you want to tune in, you can. I also recently was arguing with my liberal debate coach about gun control...what all are your thoughts on the Second Amendment? I am for it!

Welcome The United States of Conservative Idealism. I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms. The government should keep guns out of criminals' hands and keeping criminals' locked up (and executing violent criminals) but not regulate the kinds of guns. I always stick to the old saying: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Ya Made in America has been going out of business for far to long. Its sad to see Imported Beer cost more than Domestic Beer but your Imported car saves you money kind of messed up lol. I like Toyota and there quality/longevity for the price is nice but the real picture behind that 90% made in the USA sticker on the inner door only represents the assembly.... The other country's out there tax the hell out of our exports and we fail to do the same. The tax's we place go on the buyer not the seller and that's the real problem.

I think government involvement in the economy is exactly why American goods aren't as high-quality as they used to be.

As for the second amendment, people should be capable of having a large collection of submachine guns and grenades. American corporations can own nukes, for all I care; liberals claim that we shouldn't have weapons for our own safety, when in reality we need them in case anyone attempts to infringe upon our safety. We can't trust the government to protect 300 million people.

Conservative Idealism, I like your point. However, I think the government should be able to get involved with their own military should one of the people/corporations/unions/organizations abridge the rights of another citizen. After all, the chief business of the American government is justice (sorry, I stole that from Calvin Coolidge).

To an extent, the government has to defend the interests of the people. However, the people should also hold the responsibility of protecting their interests if they don't want the government to be involved in those interests.

Exactly. A limited government. Perhaps the government should take up only 10% of the GDP in Spending. Personally, I am all for American Hegemony (our status as the sole superpower). Right now we devote roughly 5% of our GDP to Defense. Imagine our supreme power and might if we used 7 or 8 percent. We'd be unstoppable by anyone.

Bi-poler also laughing 1 min screaming the next. He has definitely drank the Kool-Aid!

The government having 10% of the GDP in spending seems a little generous, but considering where they are now, it would be a welcome change.

Biden is simply confused.

Here here. I am just allowing 10% because I believe in the "peace through strength" theory as well as strongly guarded borders...it'd cost a pretty penny.

To quote Judge Andrew Napolitano: ''He's (Biden) a jackass

So, if the government were to have 10% of the GDP in spending, the vast majority of their spending should be devoted to defense.

Exactly. That and a justice system to enforce contracts. After all, that and defense are the main priorities of a capitalist government.

Well, obviously it would take a lot of work to check the growth of government...a constitution needs to restrict government from doing anything but a few duties (primarily defense and the legal system) and any new duty needs to be directly voted on by the people/state legislatures with a majority of 85%. I think that if that much of the people want government, they should have it...otherwise there is no longer a free/democratic society.

Hey all, I was reading a while ago about how the CPUSA (Communist Party USA) endorsed president Obama. I all ready knew that, but coming across it, I wanted to see if SPUSA (Socialist Party USA) gave its endorsement to the Democratic Party's president as well. Apparently, SPUSA has its own candidate and is wasting their time with him (I believe his last name is Alexander) instead of giving their endorsement to Barack Obama like the Communist Party already has (by the way, the CPUSA voted by a margin of 72% to endorse Obama). This brings up some interesting questions. Chiefly, is Barack Obama a Socialist/Lenninist/Marxist/Communist or any other form of radical collectivist? The media and other liberal Democrats denounce this idea as visions of right wing nuts (primarily talk radio show hosts); however, I think that Obama is indeed a Socialist. A few reasons: 1) he socialized the auto industry, 2) he expanded the size and scope of government with the stimulus (creating new programs that will likely never disappear and paying off his cronies [unions for the most part]), 3) he initiated a government take over of health care (while Obamacare is not strictly speaking Socialized medicine, it vastly expands Medicaid and creates layers of regulations and taxes that give government control over 17% of our total economy [I would consider that socialism]), and 4) he signed, despite his previous committments not to, NDAA (the National Defense Authorization Act); under this new law, the government has seized our rights to a fair trial and due process among other things (if that's not a model of Socialist governments across the world, I don't know what is).

Excluding all of these policy decisions, he has made numerous statements about how he thinks it's good to "spread the wealth around". Also, although Obamacare is not universal healthcare, Obama advocates European Socialist Medicine (you can verify that if you want...he has made a few quotes about the benefits of universal healthcare).

What do you all think? Come on Libertarians! Come on Conservatives! Come on CAPITALISM!

Oh he is total a socialist he has already blatinly stated on TV he wants to Redistribute the wealth in America and make it more even. Obama care itself is Socialist if not verging on Communist being mandatory or oped out for a fine. In the USA we lost total freedom with Obama care. You didn't have to do anything unless you chose to ex: You don't have to vote, You Don't have to pay taxs(unless you work our buy)that was free choice, You could freely be a bum if you wanted to and not be required of anything. But with Obama care this is not the case you ether have to by in or buy out even if your a bum by no choice. If your broke an don't buy in you get Fined and they will get there money sure so you hit a rough patch and lost your job and bummed it for a few years and land a new job guess what there going to take that fine out of your check it will happen b/c that fine will be unforced by none other than the I.R.S. and they will take people to court over 2cents. Total freedom is gone with the Supreme court upholding Obama care as a "Mandatory TAX" the USA is no longer a free Country ya we still have freedoms but its not Totally free like it was the last 236 years. That freedom was taken away by Obama and Nancy Pelosi so we could see what all goodies it has inside.

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