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You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't you pick your family.

For most American Conservatives, the time for waiting for the next milquetoast Chaplain America for PotUS is over. The bigoted prejudicial haters of American Classical Liberalism are barbarians at the gates literally burning down everything they can. Christian Conservatives in 2020 will gladly take a Donald J. Trump, Sr. to destroy the treacherous Beltway Despots, their unamerican bureaucrat sycophants and their let slipped insurrectionists and provocateurs even if it means suffering baggage like Donnie Jr. They'll gladly take a Donald J. Trump Sr., over the Romney Rhinos, and Establishmentarian GOP Moderates what talk Conservative, but cave to the Progressivitist Statist & Fabian Socialists every single time since Eisenhower. As flawed as Trump Sr is, he has done more in 4 years to defang the unlawful regulatory ruling class than any other President in our lifetime.

Auxorii, Miri Islands

Narland wrote:You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't you pick your family.

For most American Conservatives, the time for waiting for the next milquetoast Chaplain America for PotUS is over. The bigoted prejudicial haters of American Classical Liberalism are barbarians at the gates literally burning down everything they can. Christian Conservatives in 2020 will gladly take a Donald J. Trump, Sr. to destroy the treacherous Beltway Despots, their unamerican bureaucrat sycophants and their let slipped insurrectionists and provocateurs even if it means suffering baggage like Donnie Jr. They'll gladly take a Donald J. Trump Sr., over the Romney Rhinos, and Establishmentarian GOP Moderates what talk Conservative, but cave to the Progressivitist Statist & Fabian Socialists every single time since Eisenhower. As flawed as Trump Sr is, he has done more in 4 years to defang the unlawful regulatory ruling class than any other President in our lifetime.

That being said, the work he's done to "defang the unlawful regulatory ruling class" hasn't been particularly successful. We're stuck with the same bureaucrats, autocrats, and corporatists that we've had for the last two decades. All things considered, he's been no less of a statist than any of his recent predecessors; the only thing that's really pointed to otherwise was a bit of criminal justice reform, and even that was negligible in results. The way I've started seeing things, is that the system we have is no longer sustainable, and is corrupt to the marrow; not even a real constitutionalist could salvage what we've got sitting in D.C. anymore.

Shallowell, Auxorii, Rateria

Nancy Pelosi: Rules for thee not for me

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Vichtander wrote:That being said, the work he's done to "defang the unlawful regulatory ruling class" hasn't been particularly successful. We're stuck with the same bureaucrats, autocrats, and corporatists that we've had for the last two decades. All things considered, he's been no less of a statist than any of his recent predecessors; the only thing that's really pointed to otherwise was a bit of criminal justice reform, and even that was negligible in results. The way I've started seeing things, is that the system we have is no longer sustainable, and is corrupt to the marrow; not even a real constitutionalist could salvage what we've got sitting in D.C. anymore.

That is because for the last 50 years it has been difficult to convince people that the Fabian Socialist Rational Administrative state foisted on us by John Dewey et al., from the 1890s through to the present to circumvent Constitutional self-government for specifically designed bureaucratic realignment to accept Socialist directives (Dewey's letters to Seward) might possibly be a bad thing. Some of the things that had to happen for this injustice to proceed was to stop charging bureaucrats for criminal malfeasance or any perfidious behavior; and deprecation of the mechanisms firing them for misfeasance (specifically deprivation of rights under color of authority, and misprisions of felony). It has taken a century but they have been successful in their goals.

However, It seems that most of the GOP, half of the Independents, and a enough of a fraction of Blue Collar Democrats are fed up enough to finally listen as to how to rid ourselves of that cancerous growth against the Liberty and Equality of the People, the States, and the individual. I am more optimistic now that this is possible than at any time since the Sixties (including the Reagan Era).

Narland wrote:That is because for the last 50 years it has been difficult to convince people that the Fabian Socialist Rational Administrative state foisted on us by John Dewey et al., from the 1890s through to the present to circumvent Constitutional self-government for specifically designed bureaucratic realignment to accept Socialist directives (Dewey's letters to Seward) might possibly be a bad thing. Some of the things that had to happen for this injustice to proceed was to stop charging bureaucrats for criminal malfeasance or any perfidious behavior; and deprecation of the mechanisms firing them for misfeasance (specifically deprivation of rights under color of authority, and misprisions of felony). It has taken a century but they have been successful in their goals.

However, It seems that most of the GOP, half of the Independents, and a enough of a fraction of Blue Collar Democrats are fed up enough to finally listen as to how to rid ourselves of that cancerous growth against the Liberty and Equality of the People, the States, and the individual. I am more optimistic now that this is possible than at any time since the Sixties (including the Reagan Era).

I'm less so optimistic. I'm willing to bet that much of the GOP is just as willing to force their way of life on others, which is no more morally acceptable than those that they abhor. The very nature of power and authority in this country leads to corruption, regardless of who wields it; it's effectively a proselytizing cult of power, and has a proclivity to taint all those who touch it. Aside from that, the idea that a nation of 330 million people can effectively elect someone that has everybody's best interests in mind is damn near ludicrous. The likelihood that ending the cycle of stripping rights from one side or the other through an election is demonstrably low, if historic examples are anything to go by.

Vichtander wrote:I'm less so optimistic. I'm willing to bet that much of the GOP is just as willing to force their way of life on others, which is no more morally acceptable than those that they abhor. The very nature of power and authority in this country leads to corruption, regardless of who wields it; it's effectively a proselytizing cult of power, and has a proclivity to taint all those who touch it. Aside from that, the idea that a nation of 330 million people can effectively elect someone that has everybody's best interests in mind is damn near ludicrous. The likelihood that ending the cycle of stripping rights from one side or the other through an election is demonstrably low, if historic examples are anything to go by.

Of course. That is the nature of things, especially human. Freedom and Equality is morally reprehensible to despots, liars, thieves, and murderers (and Communists, but I repeat myself). Removing the Insider Establishmentarian parasites (mostly Nevertrumpers, but their are a few sly swamp monsters biding their time) from the GOP via Trumpification is an opportunity not to be wasted.

Re: Sentence 1. Be encouraged. This is the first time since Goldwater that true Conservatives (yes, there is such a thing and no it isn't the No Trews Scotsman Fallacy), have become uncomfortable enough to buck the Establishmentarians that have held them down for 60 years. This election will embolden the Liberty-Loving Conservatives even further.

Re: Sentence 2. Enforcing liberty and equality through Law (the law of liberty) and order (inalienable righteous due process) as the only morally just option cannot be overstated. The three main enemies of America in the 20th century to the present are the overt Revolutionary Insurrectionists (mostly Marxists), the Fabian Socialists (in their generational guises) with their useful tools (mostly unawares of their facile utility to Marxist "normalization" viz., the new normal), and the Beltway Insiders (with their nepos and sycophants, the foolish placeholders that they are). The three pillars to be destroyed by them (the Marxist infiltrators) were American Civic Virtue (patriotism), the particular forms of Evangelical Christianity that guarantee freedom of conscience as the inalienable right that it is and all the rest of the rights what follow (religion), and that peculiar Northern European understanding, the Protestant Work Ethic that birthed free and open markets (free enterprise capitalism).

That iridium triangle helped to created the freest, most successful country in the known history of the planet in ending poverty, hunger, and oppression (from slavery, to child labor, to bigotry and prejudice based on indelible traits) that the world has ever seen --ever. Deprogramming People from the Marxist indoctrination that those specific forms of Americanism, -- patriotism (Civic Virtue), religion (those specific forms of Christianity that can rationally articulate why freedom of conscience to worship God (or not) according to the dictates of ones conscience necessarily imputes freedom of religion, and all other inalienable rights of man), and capitalism (nuff said) are incurably evil is relatively easy, even if it takes a counter-insurgency against the enemies of Constitutional Government.

Re: Sentence 3. Agreed. That is why enforcing a Federal Constitutional Republic of Liberty and Equality through law and order by means of truth, justice and peace are so important. Chaining down the government with the chains of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, quickly prosecuting malfeasance (the laws are still on the books and it is still a felony of up to 5 years prison per offense). Reminding them that they are the public servants is also important. Where the people are afraid of their government their is slavery; where the government is afraid of their people their is Liberty. (I cant remember who said it -- Franklin?)

Re sentence 4. Agreed. The President is supposed to preside over the laws of the Federal Legislature (which are supposed to only affect DC, military bases, postal roads, necessary buildings) and the 17 specific things delegated to it from the People and the States federally -- that's it. As the Executive Officer head of state and government the main relationship to the people and states is supposed to be primarily that of emissary at large to the rest of the world, Commandant during wartime, and the face of Republic. The People expecting their president to be their personal valet, butler, maid, sugar daddy and gigolo all rolled into one is what i find most ludicrous.

Re Sentence 5. History is on the side of Liberty as the American People's backs are against the wall. We will in the next decade either fall to the Marxists in our midst or return to Liberty. Their is no alternative.

Miri Islands

those tricksy reptillianses

lol, Babylon Bee: "Politicians Officially Exempted From Lockdown Rules Since Lizard People Can't Catch COVID"

Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands

It's in the nature of American politics to swing from one extreme to another. Trump is preferable to Biden, yes, but if he gets reelected, it almost guarantees the Democratic nominee in 2024 is an overt Marxist and they have a fair chance of winning.

Skaveria wrote:It's in the nature of American politics to swing from one extreme to another. Trump is preferable to Biden, yes, but if he gets reelected, it almost guarantees the Democratic nominee in 2024 is an overt Marxist and they have a fair chance of winning.

Hopefully the GOP can organize into an actual political party by then.

Narland

Auxorii wrote:Hopefully the GOP can organize into an actual political party by then.

I am have been trying my best for the last 20 years to get people to kick out the pseudo-conservatives from offices of the county and state Republican parties and replace them with those who love liberty and the Constitution But it is an uphill battle. Once we (traditional/radical Republican Conservatives) were able to forge an alliance with radical republicans, Libertarians and Constitutionalists (and like minded Independents/Fringe Parties) to run within the state and local parties it has been much easier. The biggest problem has been the pushback from Romney Rhinos and Establishment National GOPpers. It looks like we lost the much of the Mormon faction to them. Our efforts to recall Gov Little has been strongly thwarted. One step back for two steps forward.

Once Trump is re-elected the Leftists are going to erupt like a rancid boil upon Middle America. It is imperative that every American who doesn't want this country fall to the murderous lying Progressivitists and their Marxist handlers not be sidetracked in advocating Liberty and Equality. It isn't difficult, but it will be hard. Holding everyone accountable for word and deeds, and voting indifferent to and haters of Liberty out of the GOP must be the focus. Trump's second term is going to go full throttle at ridding us of bureaucracy, everyone who loves Liberty must be ready to loudly shout our approbation.

Narland wrote:... The biggest problem has been the pushback from Romney Rhinos and Establishment National GOPpers. It looks like we lost the much of the Mormon faction to them. ...

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I don't see this happening. Especially once Trump is out of the picture. Even with Trump, support for him has only grown, for better or worse, among the Utah republican party. Romney is not popular in Utah and will be primaried, I am almost certain of that. He doesn't represent Utah's political values in the slightest, Lee is much more fits the bill. Once Trump is no longer the figure head of the GOP I suspect that we will see the high 80's% support of the GOP among the LDS we have seen in the past. I don't blame people who take their religious values seriously for not supporting a known philanderer and otherwise boorish person. It is important to note though, that LDS people who have turned away from the GOP in the last presidential election didn't go to the democrats, they went third party, with many of those going to the Utah Libertarian party. I think that this election, given that Trump now is a known political figure, we will see much more support from the LDS in Utah for the president. Especially when concerns such as abortion and religious liberty are incredibly high concerns in the state with the highest percent of weekly church attendance.

Anyways, long story short: the "Mormon faction" is still heavily in the GOP camp, and while people bring up Romney (who is widely despised outside of Salt Lake and Summit County), they almost always seem to forget that Lee, who in my opinion is among the best senators we have ever had, is the other Utah senator. And he won without having to rely on the democratic vote in Utah.

P.S.

While I am not representative of Utah as a whole, obviously, no one in my large family supported Romney in the primary. And only a few of them voted for him in the election, the rest either abstained or voted 3rd party. Among my extended family, on my moms side at least (which is 9 siblings and 43 cousins), I am fairly certain that a little less than 10% of them like Romney. And those are the Democrats in the family.

I think that this is fairly representative of LDS families throughout the mountain west.

Narland

It is also worth noting that even with a massive 25% third party turn out rate in Utah in 2016, the state still went to trump with 45% for the GOP and 25% for the Democrats

Narland

Sorry for the spam, also with the riots in Salt Lake I suspect a higher turnout for the GOP in this election in Salt Lake County. So there is a chance that the 4th district, the only democratic district in Utah, flips back to the GOP

Narland, Auxorii

We should revert back to the system where the runner up in the presidential election became the vice president. That'd make primaries way more important and we'd essentially have three presidential elections. It'd be less about "who can beat the other guy?" and more about "Who do we actually want to lead? Because they'll at least be Vice President."

I can't believe it's been 19 years

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

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The United States Of Patriots wrote:I don't see this happening. Especially once Trump is out of the picture. Even with Trump, support for him has only grown, for better or worse, among the Utah republican party. Romney is not popular in Utah and will be primaried, I am almost certain of that. He doesn't represent Utah's political values in the slightest, Lee is much more fits the bill. Once Trump is no longer the figure head of the GOP I suspect that we will see the high 80's% support of the GOP among the LDS we have seen in the past. I don't blame people who take their religious values seriously for not supporting a known philanderer and otherwise boorish person. It is important to note though, that LDS people who have turned away from the GOP in the last presidential election didn't go to the democrats, they went third party, with many of those going to the Utah Libertarian party. I think that this election, given that Trump now is a known political figure, we will see much more support from the LDS in Utah for the president. Especially when concerns such as abortion and religious liberty are incredibly high concerns in the state with the highest percent of weekly church attendance.

Anyways, long story short: the "Mormon faction" is still heavily in the GOP camp, and while people bring up Romney (who is widely despised outside of Salt Lake and Summit County), they almost always seem to forget that Lee, who in my opinion is among the best senators we have ever had, is the other Utah senator. And he won without having to rely on the democratic vote in Utah.

P.S.

While I am not representative of Utah as a whole, obviously, no one in my large family supported Romney in the primary. And only a few of them voted for him in the election, the rest either abstained or voted 3rd party. Among my extended family, on my moms side at least (which is 9 siblings and 43 cousins), I am fairly certain that a little less than 10% of them like Romney. And those are the Democrats in the family.

I think that this is fairly representative of LDS families throughout the mountain west.

Yes, I heartily agree with your post. But that is not what I was typing about. :) I am not referring to the preponderance of LDS adherents who are going to vote for Trump because he accomplishes what they are looking for despite being a billionaire playboy, reality show host, and braggadocios showman extraordinaire. When I typed faction, I was referring to a faction of the dealmakers of the state and local parties regarding the pushback, especially here regarding the tremendous pushback keeping Trump supporters from gaining a foothold.

Yes the LDS adherents with no skin in the game of Trump following the Reform Party/Ross Perot plan to dismantle the tandem oligarchy of bureaucrat administrative state and anti-free enterprise Keynesian corporatism that gives the corporate holdings of the CJCLDS, and families (such as Romney and others especially in the hierarchiate) heavily invested in the fake conservatism of "The Statue Quo" (keeping things as they are) who can be greatly economically damaged. The one's who find returning to free-enterprise entrepreneurship outside the this tandem oligarchical control of crony corporatism and bureaucratic regulators disturbingly unconservative -- those who look to Establishmentarians and Antidisestablishmentarians for their guidance and leadership within the GOP.

Romney isn't popular, but he need not be -- he is a useful bellwether, and his father paid most of the dues for him. Popular and politically efficient aren't necessarily synonymous. If the Establishment wins, Romney will probably end up being appointed somewhere in the labyrinth of political bureaucracy by a RINO President or Governor for his troubles. Over time he will fade from view while others take his place. The Establishmentarians within the GOP had nothing to lose by trying to entrench another Orin Hatch into their swamp machine.

It is imperative that in the next three elections that the disestablishimentarians seize the moment so they may disestablish the establishmentarians (drain the swamps) in the years to come after Trump. Idaho and Utah have swamps of their own that are just as tenacious to drain. I am sure that I am preaching to the choir in this regard (I hope).

Skaveria wrote:We should revert back to the system where the runner up in the presidential election became the vice president. That'd make primaries way more important and we'd essentially have three presidential elections. It'd be less about "who can beat the other guy?" and more about "Who do we actually want to lead? Because they'll at least be Vice President."

The solution eludes me. Our Presidential system assumes a no party system. It also assumes that the President merely presides, he doesn't govern -- that's what the governors are for. The President also bears the duties of Chief Minister of State, Commandant of the Military during wartime, and Ambassador at large of both the People and the States to the rest of the world will be performed as a public service with only the minimal officiousness necessary. The presidency is supposed to be a lean, mean, Executive (capital E) without all the bloat of old world bureaucracy and the corruption endemic to it.

Once we formed parties and factions to then divide over:

whether America is a united federation or a federated union;

whether we stay a federal republic or become a national democracy,

whether we should enforce a Christian ethic or a Marxist ethic upon our children;

whether or not we should only regulate ourselves if/when it facilitates free and open markets, or whether we must regulate others to control and restrict markets perpetually for some imagined good,

yada yada, yada;

a runner up vice president becomes untenable.

Narland wrote:Yes, I heartily agree with your post. But that is not what I was typing about. :) I am not referring to the preponderance of LDS adherents who are going to vote for Trump because he accomplishes what they are looking for despite being a billionaire playboy, reality show host, and braggadocios showman extraordinaire. When I typed faction, I was referring to a faction of the dealmakers of the state and local parties regarding the pushback, especially here regarding the tremendous pushback keeping Trump supporters from gaining a foothold.

Yes the LDS adherents with no skin in the game of Trump following the Reform Party/Ross Perot plan to dismantle the tandem oligarchy of bureaucrat administrative state and anti-free enterprise Keynesian corporatism that gives the corporate holdings of the CJCLDS, and families (such as Romney and others especially in the hierarchiate) heavily invested in the fake conservatism of "The Statue Quo" (keeping things as they are) who can be greatly economically damaged. The one's who find returning to free-enterprise entrepreneurship outside the this tandem oligarchical control of crony corporatism and bureaucratic regulators disturbingly unconservative -- those who look to Establishmentarians and Antidisestablishmentarians for their guidance and leadership within the GOP.

Romney isn't popular, but he need not be -- he is a useful bellwether, and his father paid most of the dues for him. Popular and politically efficient aren't necessarily synonymous. If the Establishment wins, Romney will probably end up being appointed somewhere in the labyrinth of political bureaucracy by a RINO President or Governor for his troubles. Over time he will fade from view while others take his place. The Establishmentarians within the GOP had nothing to lose by trying to entrench another Orin Hatch into their swamp machine.

It is imperative that in the next three elections that the disestablishimentarians seize the moment so they may disestablish the establishmentarians (drain the swamps) in the years to come after Trump. Idaho and Utah have swamps of their own that are just as tenacious to drain. I am sure that I am preaching to the choir in this regard (I hope).

Yes, it will take years to disestablish decades of government malfeasance from the so-called establishment Trump 2020

Voting Libertarian is really important this year. We're on track to get over 5% once that happens the two-party system will officially be over. We'll get garunteed ballot access for all Libertarian candidates, so we can shift resources from that to campaigning, we'll become a "major party" which makes us significantly harder to ignore in polling, and it'll give us much needed momentum for the next election.

This is the one it has to happen on. If we get 4.99% of the votes, they'll change the rules to 10% next time. Go out there and vote your conscious.

Vichtander

Suzi Island wrote:Yes, it will take years to disestablish decades of government malfeasance from the so-called establishment Trump 2020

from or to? We have some of the most corrupt federal law enforcement and doj malfeasance bordering on sedition and treason in our lifetime -- worthy of imprisonment and death if duly prosecuted. There are still murderers from the Ruby Ridge Massacre with valid Idaho warrants for their arrest protected by the corrupt DOJ for over 20 years. At least in the areas where Trump is on the light side he is dismantling and having his appointees like DeVos withhold Prolemaking in the Universities, and Carson disassemble what parts of the rational administrative state/deep state/despot bureaucracy that would turn us into a 3rd world hell-hole, calling our troops back to their respective States. In areas where Trump is on the dark side -- medicare for all, socialist insecurity, et al, yeah, there is plenty to do.

I would still encourage everyone once Trump is reelected to not just divide off into their respective camps only (Libertarian, Constitutionalism etc), but also involve themselves with the local party in power to sew concepts of liberty, free enterprise, and individual responsibility as best they can. I belong to two parties that best represents my area -- Libertarian, and Constitution, and work within the Republican/GOP to advocate Liberty and the Constitution. If we just stayed in one camp, the RINOS wouldn't have to fight so hard to keep control of the State GOP.

***This post re-edited for brevity***

Typing of prole-making, my nephews got into Outer Worlds and I did a play through. Not a bad game -- makes me want to reinstall New Vegas, download a bunch of mods and immerse myself for a bit. I am not a scrounger so Outer Worlds went fairly fast. It is a well made game and well worth playing. I would have liked it better if it were an open sandbox.

My only bemusement is at the consistency of writers of Capitalist Dystopias needing their characters to act like anything other than free market Capitalists -- but then they wouldn't have a dystopian story if they did.

Has anyone tried the new Microsoft Flight Simulator? I want to get it because it looks really cool.

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:Has anyone tried the new Microsoft Flight Simulator? I want to get it because it looks really cool.
It does look really cool. The real question is, will it run well on Linux? Jking. It looks like an excellent Christmas gift.

Suzi Island

Suzi Island wrote:Has anyone tried the new Microsoft Flight Simulator? I want to get it because it looks really cool.

Tried it for a bit on GamePass. Very cool showcase of technology and looks gorgeous. It’s decently entertaining if that’s your thing

Auxorii

i'm back, limited time only

Vichtander, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Tried it for a bit on GamePass. Very cool showcase of technology and looks gorgeous. It’s decently entertaining if that’s your thing

cool, enjoyed old flight sims and the real terrain makes it look great

Jadentopian Order

Old flight sims? Ah you mean "crash into mountains simulator."

Narland, Auxorii

Narland wrote:***This post re-edited for brevity***

Typing of prole-making, my nephews got into Outer Worlds and I did a play through. Not a bad game -- makes me want to reinstall New Vegas, download a bunch of mods and immerse myself for a bit. I am not a scrounger so Outer Worlds went fairly fast. It is a well made game and well worth playing. I would have liked it better if it were an open sandbox.

My only bemusement is at the consistency of writers of Capitalist Dystopias needing their characters to act like anything other than free market Capitalists -- but then they wouldn't have a dystopian story if they did.

I've always found it amusing that the super mutants in the Fallout universe are Communists. "Super mutant share with super mutant, not own things like humans." -Strong

Narland

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:Old flight sims? Ah you mean "crash into mountains simulator."

If you are piloting a plane and see a goat in the clouds it is probably on a mountain... (taken loosely from a Far Side cartoon).

Skaveria wrote:I've always found it amusing that the super mutants in the Fallout universe are Communists. "Super mutant share with super mutant, not own things like humans." -Strong

I think it was intentional as many of the cold war horror/sci-fi the monster/alien entertainment were crypto-commies -- especially in pulp fiction. I think the Borg from Star Trek was unintentional. It seems they needed something more frightening than the failed Ferengi adversaries. Any species that is more afraid of a self-interested informed shopper than they are of it isn't a worthy adversary -- those ambitious capitalistses held in check by their greedy desire for repeat customers.

I liked that Supermutants in the early Fallout franchise were a philosophically coherent threat to the given scenario. I am disappointed that Bethesda turned them into generic table-top fantasy role-play game orcs with all the charm and wit of Lee and Kirby's (original) the Incredible Hulk.

Anyone else seeing a doubling or tripling of applications in their local home-school cooperatives and other non-state controlled schools?

For those in areas that are unlawfully locked down, have you put "We Aren't Going To Take It" by TS on their lockdown playlist?

Discord still hasn't emailed me regarding clarifying their tos, and privpol. One of my friends thinks they a grey/black ops front. But that friend also thinks that Romney is a reptillian but Q-anon is legit.

Rateria

Janice Rogers Brown for Supreme Court Justice

I really hope Joe Rogan hasn't sold out like some are saying

Suzi Island wrote:I really hope Joe Rogan hasn't sold out like some are saying

Nah, he's still the same dude. He's just not as interested in politics as we'd like.

HAPPY INTERNATIONAL DAY OF PEACE

Today is the International Day of Peace. Let us come together in reflection, hope and prayer for a world with less violence, conflict and injustice and one where peace, justice and kindness rule.

I would also like to share with you all an incredible campaigner for peace and justice. Eleanor Roosevelt was the First Lady of the United States from 1933-1946, served as the US Representative to the United Nations, oversaw the drafting of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and was a prominent campaigner for youth, women and racial minorities in the United States. She was a woman far ahead of her time whose resolve and influence has fundamentally changed the world for the better.

This quote by Eleanor Roosevelt has been a favourite of mine for many years. I hope it inspires you, as it does me, on this important day.

‘It isn’t enough to talk about peace. One must believe in it. And it isn’t enough to believe in it. One must work at it.’

Blessings to you all on this important day.

Auxorii, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Skaveria wrote:Nah, he's still the same dude. He's just not as interested in politics as we'd like.

Hopefully,I was talking about episodes being pulled

I hate the overnight shift

Auxorii, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:I hate the overnight shift

Good news is I normally don't work it, just have to fill in occasionally

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:Good news is I normally don't work it, just have to fill in occasionally

The overnight stock crew are lit where I work.

Auxorii, Rateria

Some places it was better to work the night shift, like Portlandia. I got more work done in less time, met some of the best (and strangest) samples of humanity who were not (at that time) afraid to live, do, and be as best they could, as freely as they could with a relatively low cost of living to the high standard of living. Two different Portlands occupied the same place. The stodged idiocrat Portland of the daylight or more appropriately the rainlight with its droll Cascadian mentality of reactionary Progressivistism living off the hard work of its entrepreneurs. Having to deal with the City, Tri-County, and State of Oregon bureaucracies was as tortuous as trying read the Handmaid's Tale without stabbing one's eyeballs with a thousand needles to relieve the agony.

But at night, the rather communicative individualistic organized chaos of the motley Cascadian night life with its weirdness, folk grunge substratum, and libertarian mentality made nighwork worthwhile. At leisure, I could go to coffee (at a real coffee shop not a Starbust) with several people and we would talk everything from sex, politics, and religion to the most inane of topics from the vantage of variegated ideologies. We would share, take notes, and go on with our lives as neighbors. No hate, no spite, no criminally immature 3 year-old temper tantrums burning down buildings and murdering people that Antifa and other fascists have brought into to the city. What happened?

Auxorii

Derp, "Let's let all the criminals go free without bail or bond."

Herp, "Okay, let's."

Two weeks Later...

Derp, "Why is crime spiking?"

Herp, "Gee, I don't know Derp. It must be Trump.

Derp, "***scream of fake outrage*** "Trump is a danger to our demoncrazy!!!"

Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots

i forgot all about nuke-day

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Republic Of Minerva wrote:i forgot all about nuke-day

ditto.

Someone shoot me. This presidential debate is worse than a grade school elementary student body election. Chris Wallace cannot moderate if our lives depended on it. The questions are horrible. This is just set up to be a shouting match. Shame on Wallace and shame on Fox.

Both candidates need a respective debate coach behind Wallace. No proper debate moderation, no timing queues, lights, or flags. Where the hell set this up? It stinks and makes both Trump and Biden look bad. One of my friends thinks this has been set up this way to hurt Trump the worst.

I wish there were a Libertarian on stage with them. They make Vermin Supreme look Presidential. Joanne Marie Jorgensen would have aced this.

Miri Islands

Narland wrote:Someone shoot me. This presidential debate is worse than a grade school elementary student body election. Chris Wallace cannot moderate if our lives depended on it. The questions are horrible. This is just set up to be a shouting match. Shame on Wallace and shame on Fox.

Both candidates need a respective debate coach behind Wallace. No proper debate moderation, no timing queues, lights, or flags. Where the hell set this up? It stinks and makes both Trump and Biden look bad. One of my friends thinks this has been set up this way to hurt Trump the worst.

I wish there were a Libertarian on stage with them. They make Vermin Supreme look Presidential. Joanne Marie Jorgensen would have aced this.

Um, no - shame on President Trump. Wallace picked fine questions, which ones to you were designed to be for shouting..? I only saw POTUS respond as a child.

Jorgenson would’ve crushed it.

Auxorii wrote:Um, no - shame on President Trump. Wallace picked fine questions, which ones to you were designed to be for shouting..? I only saw POTUS respond as a child.

Jorgenson would’ve crushed it.

Let me clarify. The manner in which the questions were asked was atrocious. The questions were not phrased objectively, but subjectively to generate opinionated tit for tat. We are not Proles suffering under a Communist serfdom that need to not "decide" whether or not we have always been at war with Eurasia--yet. At least I hope most of us aren't -- the shame of which rests squarely on Wallace and Fox. Again, this is made to look both candidates look bad and goad them into a cat fight. No structural ques allows the worst traits of Biden and Trump to be exhibited. It hurts Trump the most, and gives Biden more to gain.

Yes. Jorgenson would've been a force to be reckoned with.

Narland wrote:Let me clarify. The manner in which the questions were asked was atrocious. The questions were not phrased objectively, but subjectively to generate opinionated tit for tat. We are not Proles suffering under a Communist serfdom that need to not "decide" whether or not we have always been at war with Eurasia--yet. At least I hope most of us aren't -- the shame of which rests squarely on Wallace and Fox. Again, this is made to look both candidates look bad and goad them into a cat fight. No structural ques allows the worst traits of Biden and Trump to be exhibited. It hurts Trump the most, and gives Biden more to gain.

You have yet to provide an example of how Fox and Wallace conspired to get them into a cat fight - how did he phrase things “subjectively”? What questions and segments were phrased in these ways?

President Trump literally argued with the moderator of the debate and made himself (and the rest of the GOP) look even more of a child. He constantly interrupted and made it impossible not to hate him.

Auxorii wrote:You have yet to provide an example of how Fox and Wallace conspired to get them into a cat fight - how did he phrase things “subjectively”? What questions and segments were phrased in these ways?

President Trump literally argued with the moderator of the debate and made himself (and the rest of the GOP) look even more of a child. He constantly interrupted and made it impossible not to hate him.

Rewatch the debate.

Narland wrote:Rewatch the debate.

I don’t need to. We both should’ve seen the same things, you should be able to provide a single example. If anyone should rewatch it, I think you should so that you can come up with one.

Auxorii wrote:I don’t need to. We both should’ve seen the same things, you should be able to provide a single example. If anyone should rewatch it, I think you should so that you can come up with one.

Sorry, I wouldn't wish rewatching it on anybody. I have company over (we are discussing the debate). You are correct. I will answer your question when I get back online.

Auxorii

God that debate was awful

Narland, Auxorii

I had only two brain cells left before that debate. After watching it, I still have two, but one is a cancer cell and the other one has shriveled up like a raisin

Narland, Muh Roads, Auxorii

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

I was satisfied with the outcome of the debate. Google searches for "Jo Jorgensen" and related keywords, skyrocketed.

Trump won that debate, people that support him will still support him despite the childishness, and he drug Biden down to his level, he also forced Biden to say he'll support law and order. That'll split his base.

Narland, Vichtander, Ankerland

Proposal to make civil discourse more productive:

Reduce the twitter character limit from 280 to 0.

This joke may have been stolen from the babylon bee

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Ankerland

As Auxorii has mention on the discord server, elections will be held soon in order to prevent a constitutional crisis. I would like to petition the public of Libertatem to once again entrust me with the job of Judicial Secretary. I have been honored to serve in the position for these past few months, and if entrusted again with the role I will seek to serve the Law and Libertatem to my upmost.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Citizens,

As I have made always made clear, my goal has always been for the people to have their say. Time and time again we have grasped this, almost having it in our clutch - but now is the most oppurtune time to seize it. Seeing as the current regional government is unsuitable for the region with it’s activity, I have once again proposed to completely decentralize the government. Please vote YES; to avoid any further hurdles in bureaucracy, constitutional crisis’ and gurantee freedom in this region.

Thank you.

Narland, Rateria

Keep in mind that the poll is for non-government citizens only

S7A7 read in part:

"This Constitution may be amended by unanimous assent of the Assembly and President and the majority of participating non-government citizens in a regional poll; or by unanimous assent of participating non-government citizens in a regional poll."

Auxorii, Rateria

I’ve yet to watch the debate. I’ve been too busy with college work. However, I feel the urge to watch it because of how bad it is.

Rateria wrote:I’ve yet to watch the debate. I’ve been too busy with college work. However, I feel the urge to watch it because of how bad it is.

It’s terrible. Like, it’s exactly what you are expecting.

Narland, Rateria

Rateria wrote:I’ve yet to watch the debate. I’ve been too busy with college work. However, I feel the urge to watch it because of how bad it is.

Protect your innocence

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

and now the President has the ro

The lamestream medua is now in a pickle. Do you go with a narrative that yhe president is in grave danger or do you downplay the virus because you dont want him to use his eventual recovery to gain momuntuem.

Suzi Island wrote:The lamestream medua is now in a pickle. Do you go with a narrative that yhe president is in grave danger or do you downplay the virus because you dont want him to use his eventual recovery to gain momuntuem.

Check discord.

can we like abolish the government already lol

Narland, Muh Roads

hehe

benis

Republic Of Minerva, Vichtander, Rateria

Rateria wrote:I’ve yet to watch the debate. I’ve been too busy with college work. However, I feel the urge to watch it because of how bad it is.

My best advice is a paraphrase of high voltage transformer warning sign:

https://www.signsworldwide.com/traffic-safety-signs/safety-danger-do-not-touch-this-will-kill-you-18h-x-12w-aluminum-sign.html"

Danger! Do not touch. Not only will it kill your brain, it will hurt the whole time it is are dying.

Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:can we like abolish the government already lol

I feel like we are always abolishing the government

Auxorii

Suzi Island wrote:I feel like we are always abolishing the government

I think it's something we should save for the weekends. Make it a hobby, ya know?

Narland, Auxorii

There is never not a time to abolish the government

Miencraft, Muh Roads, Vichtander

We abolish the government, so we can write a new constitution, so we can abolish that government to write a new constitution. I think we just like writing constitutions.

Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:There is never not a time to abolish the government

I'll give like, $30 worth of gold and a ham sandwhich to whoever gets this done.

Skaveria wrote:We abolish the government, so we can write a new constitution, so we can abolish that government to write a new constitution. I think we just like writing constitutions.

Pretty much sums up this region's politics

Rateria

From the newly established Office of the Supreme Executive -

My fellow citizens & ‘Tatemites,

In light of the recent amendment being approved by the people, I have been vested with exclusive executive and judicial authority, and thus formally suspend the current Constitution.

Until the newly formed Citizens’ Assembly (of which you are all members) gathers on their own accord and demonstrates significant will to reinstate the Third Republic, we will continue to exist in the current state; I will represent Libertatem to the NationStates realm when diplomacy is needed - having been this under the last government as well, I believe they can assure my transparency when it comes to international affairs.

I have no current policy agenda or motives - soley to protect Libertatem. In the discord, I have created a new channel for the Citizens’ Assembly, as well as creating a grievances channel for the Executive directly.

To clarify, I plan on enforcing the rule of law to protect the rights guranteed to citizens and maintaining the values enshrined in our Constitution. However, the current situation has made it clear that this is what is necessary now.

Thank you, citizens. God bless you all.

Auxorii

President of Libertatem

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1443363

Vichtander, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:We abolish the government, so we can write a new constitution, so we can abolish that government to write a new constitution. I think we just like writing constitutions.

We do indeed. Too bad many countries wouldn't recognize actual constitution to put in their Constitution if it habeas corpused them in the malum prohibitum. It is better to keep the constitution (little c) that is (constitution means that which is fit(ting)), and abolish the unconstitutonal (that which is unfitting/gad governance) acts of the petty tyrants and despots, ie, reformation which is what the American Revolution was more like. Technically the American Revolution was a Civil War to Reform the excesses of the power mongers amongst us. Less work, better results.

they should have a debate with a few 3rd party candidates. imagine kanye vs trump vs biden

Narland, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:they should have a debate with a few 3rd party candidates. imagine kanye vs trump vs biden

Imagine West vs Jorgensen vs Hawkins vs Blankenship

Narland, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:they should have a debate with a few 3rd party candidates. imagine kanye vs trump vs biden

Skaveria wrote:Imagine West vs Jorgensen vs Hawkins vs Blankenship

and moderated by Penn Gillette, Jordan Peterson, and that guy who throws the boot in the Frantic's skit, "Boot to the Head."

Narland wrote:and moderated by Penn Gillette, Jordan Peterson, and that guy who throws the boot in the Frantic's skit, "Boot to the Head."

With commentary by Roe Jogan

Narland

Auxorii wrote:You have yet to provide an example of how Fox and Wallace conspired to get them into a cat fight - how did he phrase things “subjectively”? What questions and segments were phrased in these ways?

President Trump literally argued with the moderator of the debate and made himself (and the rest of the GOP) look even more of a child. He constantly interrupted and made it impossible not to hate him.

This URL reflects my opinion of the debate:

[url]https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/chris-wallace-just-gave-the-most-embarrassing-moderator-performance-in-history/[/url]

Narland wrote:This URL reflects my opinion of the debate:

[url]https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/chris-wallace-just-gave-the-most-embarrassing-moderator-performance-in-history/[/url]

That’s a ridiculously written article that doesn’t even attempt to be objective. POTUS was acting like a baby that debate.

Vichtander, Jadentopian Order

Auxorii wrote:That’s a ridiculously written article that doesn’t even attempt to be objective. POTUS was acting like a baby that debate.

I feel that it was pretty embarrassing for everyone in the room; Trump's temperament, Biden's dogmatic wishy-washyness, and Wallace's lack of initiative.

Auxorii

Auxorii wrote:That’s a ridiculously written article that doesn’t even attempt to be objective. POTUS was acting like a baby that debate.

The point is that this was not a properly structured debate, it was socially engineered to be a geriatric cage fight goaded by the psychological propensities of the participants. This is the most disgraceful display of pretense of debate in the public fora for high executive office in the modern era. 2500 years of civil advancement tossed out the window to appease a bunch of demagogues to attack this Republic-- absolutely disgusting. The moderator lacked sufficient skill and moderation to moderate (see the pattern here?) -- he sucked. The participants were neither coached nor kept within their bounds (I saw no flags, no timing lights etc) -- they sucked. I have seen public school elementary pupils perform better. Pertinent questions to specific political policy to economy, foreign affairs, military engagement, and health were ill formed and inscrutable for any onlooker to create an informed opinion. It was one of the worst displays of buffoonery and utterly unfit for the American people. I think it was done so deliberately.

Narland wrote:The point is that this was not a properly structured debate, it was socially engineered to be a geriatric cage fight goaded by the psychological propensities of the participants. This is the most disgraceful display of pretense of debate in the public fora for high executive office in the modern era. 2500 years of civil advancement tossed out the window to appease a bunch of demagogues to attack this Republic-- absolutely disgusting. The moderator lacked sufficient skill and moderation to moderate (see the pattern here?) -- he sucked. The participants were neither coached nor kept within their bounds (I saw no flags, no timing lights etc) -- they sucked. I have seen public school elementary pupils perform better. Pertinent questions to specific political policy to economy, foreign affairs, military engagement, and health were ill formed and inscrutable for any onlooker to create an informed opinion. It was one of the worst displays of buffoonery and utterly unfit for the American people. I think it was done so deliberately.

I'm sorry but this is the same stuff people were saying in 2016 (iirc one of the moderators/networks did in fact leak Hillary the questions). I honestly think you can put whatever moderator you want out there and Trump will continue to make a mockery of the debate. His drones will come out and defend whatever he says and call the moderator biased. I fully believe you could program and AI to perfectly moderate the debate and zap the candidates when they go over their time limit and Trump would still act like a child on the stage and his supporters would say the AI was programmed to zap him harder.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Ankerland

Again, totally missing the point. Demagogues in the media, academia, and the political institutions who are too lazy, incompetent, or dishonest enough to not be able to run a structured debate openly without shenanigans have no place in American politics. Any group who cannot handle a Trump, or a Biden and keep them in line are a disgrace to debate having no place near a forum, and probably should stay away from sharp pointy objects. The Commission on Presidential Debates needs decommissioned and sent to mime school.

Well the lakers won for anyone who cares

Auxorii, Jadentopian Order

Suzi Island wrote:Well the lakers won for anyone who cares

I called Lakers in 5... I’ll take it. Woulda been way more memorable if they won in the Mamba jerseys but hey, good for Lebron

Suzi Island wrote:Well the lakers won for anyone who cares

😡

Civil rights went down when I chose not to regulate fan fiction. This game.

Rateria, Skaveria

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Ankerland wrote:Civil rights went down when I chose not to regulate fan fiction. This game.

This game lumps together civil rights and civil liberties into the same graph. It makes for some confusion before you figure that out. A better indication of liberty is your tax rate.

Ankerland wrote:Civil rights went down when I chose not to regulate fan fiction. This game.

This game sometimes screws you that way

Auxorii, Rateria

Can this election be over already

Republic Of Minerva, Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands

Almost over. Someone said that history doesn't repeat itself as much as it echoes. I tend to agree.

This election will be an echo of the 88 Reagan vs Mondale election with reverb from the 64 LBJ v Goldwater election. The theft of the election from Goldwater was the big tragedy of the 1960s (imo). Reagan won every state except DC and Mondale' s home state. Trump should take the electoral vote, but not without a lot of fraud from the antitrumpers.

Big difference is the social turmoil is Novel Coronavius SARS-CoV-2 2019 instead of the Viet-Nam War. Unlike Goldwater, Trump will challenge the election results if the fraud this election cycle is pervasive enough (e.g., another zombie apocalypse where the cemeteries vote en mass, or districts yet again receive more votes than there are people in the precinct. We need a Ron Paul with the vim of Trump.

Narland wrote:Almost over. Someone said that history doesn't repeat itself as much as it echoes. I tend to agree.

This election will be an echo of the 88 Reagan vs Mondale election with reverb from the 64 LBJ v Goldwater election. The theft of the election from Goldwater was the big tragedy of the 1960s (imo). Reagan won every state except DC and Mondale' s home state. Trump should take the electoral vote, but not without a lot of fraud from the antitrumpers.

Big difference is the social turmoil is Novel Coronavius SARS-CoV-2 2019 instead of the Viet-Nam War. Unlike Goldwater, Trump will challenge the election results if the fraud this election cycle is pervasive enough (e.g., another zombie apocalypse where the cemeteries vote en mass, or districts yet again receive more votes than there are people in the precinct. We need a Ron Paul with the vim of Trump.

I'd put money on Trump losing

Auxorii, Rateria, Ankerland

Narland wrote:Almost over. Someone said that history doesn't repeat itself as much as it echoes. I tend to agree.

This election will be an echo of the 88 Reagan vs Mondale election with reverb from the 64 LBJ v Goldwater election. The theft of the election from Goldwater was the big tragedy of the 1960s (imo). Reagan won every state except DC and Mondale' s home state. Trump should take the electoral vote, but not without a lot of fraud from the antitrumpers.

Big difference is the social turmoil is Novel Coronavius SARS-CoV-2 2019 instead of the Viet-Nam War. Unlike Goldwater, Trump will challenge the election results if the fraud this election cycle is pervasive enough (e.g., another zombie apocalypse where the cemeteries vote en mass, or districts yet again receive more votes than there are people in the precinct. We need a Ron Paul with the vim of Trump.

84, and I wouldn't be so certain trump will win.

Rateria, Ankerland

Jadentopian Order wrote:I'd put money on Trump losing

The United States Of Patriots wrote:84, and I wouldn't be so certain trump will win.

The only way Trump will lose is like the 64 election with its massive voter fraud. Either way, regardless if Harris or Trump wins, 2021 will be even more riotous than 1968-71. Get your toilet paper now (if you are a leftist), or your emergency gear ready (if you are for truth, justice, and liberty), because it is going to rocky.

*84, thanx

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