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You could have spun it a little bit.

Miencraft wrote:Also you can totally just edit it.

That would be unethical

I'm on my phone, someone post it here.

Humpheria wrote:I love how the article makes me look bad. Thanks, Mien.

If a news article ever mentions me. Please tell me.....

If Every state raised MW would that balance itself out some how?

Hallo Island wrote:I'm on my phone, someone post it here.

The June Board, consisting of incumbents Amarican, Miencraft, and Humpheria alongside returning Board Members RRRG and The New United States (who served previously as The Liberty Front), convened today to elect a Chairman. Long-time Libertatem resident Miencraft won the Chair 3:2 against Minority Leader Grimes, and appointed Amarican as Majority Leader after Humpheria declined the position. The June Board is expected to have its hands full over the next month, with plenty of legislation planned for the start of the month. Such legislation includes the establishment of an Appeals Court and various other improvements to the Libertatem government. The June term marks Miencraft's first term as elected Chairman. Mien received the position in May after Humpheria's resignation, and previously served as interim Chairman multiple times during Humpheria's absence. It is also the first recorded month that former Board members have returned to the Board, and the first month after the establishment of the Chairman that said Chairman has changed by election.

Miencraft wrote:It's a fact, though.

The truth shall not set you free.

EVENING, GENTS!

Pax drops in with more food for thought for Libertarians :3

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/faq.html#defend

Sometimes the stuff that the WA puts out makes me want to gag. The WA is fundamentally anti-libertarian at its core and should be boycotted whenever reasonable.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sometimes the stuff that the WA puts out makes me want to gag. The WA is fundamentally anti-libertarian at its core and should be boycotted whenever reasonable.

I agree wholeheartedly. I am against all General Assembly proposals, aside from repeals.

Pax Osca wrote:EVENING, GENTS!

Pax drops in with more food for thought for Libertarians :3

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/faq.html#defend

6.) Relies on the point of the social contract being valid, of which it is not.

7.) This does not an excuse that the contract, regardless of being made on a person's behalf, was not made through explicit consent. The idea of living=consent is flawed. I could accept it if yeah okay, the area where the social contract was valid varied immensely and there was no border regulation, then perhaps you'd have an argument. But since nearly 99% of all land is in some way or form own by massive entities who gain their power variously (some more justified than others, if that is possible), I cannot see this as logically conclusive.

8.) Not much to say here, except that you cannot remove yourself from the social contract the same way you can from a service. False comparison.

9) Collectives as a singular entity do not have any rights unless all of it's members uniformly accept a particular right, which they never do unless it is an entity with a hive mind.

12.) "There is no US government obstacle to emigration from the US." BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Republic Of Minerva wrote:6.) Relies on the point of the social contract being valid, of which it is not.

7.) This does not an excuse that the contract, regardless of being made on a person's behalf, was not made through explicit consent. The idea of living=consent is flawed. I could accept it if yeah okay, the area where the social contract was valid varied immensely and there was no border regulation, then perhaps you'd have an argument. But since nearly 99% of all land is in some way or form own by massive entities who gain their power variously (some more justified than others, if that is possible), I cannot see this as logically conclusive.

8.) Not much to say here, except that you cannot remove yourself from the social contract the same way you can from a service. False comparison.

9) Collectives as a singular entity do not have any rights unless all of it's members uniformly accept a particular right, which they never do unless it is an entity with a hive mind.

12.) "There is no US government obstacle to emigration from the US." BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

6) How is it any less valid than any other contract made on your behalf by a guardian? When you are born you have not yet reached the age of majority and so the age at which you take guardianship of your social contract, once you do you are free to release yourself of it by leaving and acquiring a new one in a different nation. Your continued consent to the social contract your parents signed you up for while acting as your guardians is implied by your continuation of the contract.

7) Yet these entities own the land, do they not have the right to enforce the rules they like on the property they own? As I understand it this is a fundamental right for Libertarians.

8) How so? Don't like how your landlord runs the apartment block you're renting a flat in? Stop paying rent and leave. You'll need to sign a new contract with a different landlord (gain citizenship in the new country) when you do, but that's on your onus, not the previous landlord's.

9) Unless the contract which all the entities are part of stipulates that the majority gets to decide what rights/laws etc are enforced.

12) Point one out, if you may be so kind. I can't think of a single person (who wasn't wanted for a crime) who's ever been barred from exiting the United States of their own accord.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:6.) Relies on the point of the social contract being valid, of which it is not.

7.) This does not an excuse that the contract, regardless of being made on a person's behalf, was not made through explicit consent. The idea of living=consent is flawed. I could accept it if yeah okay, the area where the social contract was valid varied immensely and there was no border regulation, then perhaps you'd have an argument. But since nearly 99% of all land is in some way or form own by massive entities who gain their power variously (some more justified than others, if that is possible), I cannot see this as logically conclusive.

8.) Not much to say here, except that you cannot remove yourself from the social contract the same way you can from a service. False comparison.

9) Collectives as a singular entity do not have any rights unless all of it's members uniformly accept a particular right, which they never do unless it is an entity with a hive mind.

12.) "There is no US government obstacle to emigration from the US." BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Expanding 7: The difference between consent for paying the bill at a restaurant and consenting to the government is simple: the restaurant cannot extort you for more of the value of the service, neither is it's service require enforcement on everyone living in a radius regardless of property rights, status, etc. due to a "tragedy of the commons." Now a justification for taxation is that it is paying for government services. That may be so, but this service was also not consented to. It would be like me going to my neighbor's yard, cutting his grass without his consent, and then putting a note on the door saying he owes me money, and if he didn't pay money he'd go for jail.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Expanding 7: The difference between consent for paying the bill at a restaurant and consenting to the government is simple: the restaurant cannot extort you for more of the value of the service, neither is it's service require enforcement on everyone living in a radius regardless of property rights, status, etc. due to a "tragedy of the commons." [B]Now a justification for taxation is that it is paying for government services. That may be so, but this service was also not consented to.[/B] It would be like me going to my neighbor's yard, cutting his grass without his consent, and then putting a note on the door saying he owes me money, and if he didn't pay money he'd go for jail.

In bold, see point six of my last post. Your parents consented to the social contract on your behalf, as your guardians, because you were not of age to consent or not to that contract, you implicitly continue that consent by not renouncing your citizenship when you reach the age of majority.

A restaurant is implicitly backed up by muscle from the police, and if you break a contract by not paying it will "extort" you for that payment via the power the judicial system and police ensure it has. Similarly, paying taxes is part of the social contract. Break that contract and there are consequences.

I feel like it's necessary to point out the rapid political decline of Ucr. *victory shuffle*

Humpheria wrote:I feel like it's necessary to point out the rapid political decline of Ucr. *victory shuffle*

Thought they where always in a rapid political decline?

Humpheria wrote:I feel like it's necessary to point out the rapid political decline of Ucr. *victory shuffle*

*booty dance*

Hallo Island wrote:*booty dance*

Inappropriate, sir.

Humpheria wrote:Inappropriate, sir.

Da booty is never inappropriate.

*booty dance intesifies*

Just saw the new Godzilla and I must say it was pretty good.

Humpheria wrote:Inappropriate, sir.

How about Das Beer Boot(y)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuDtACzKGRs

feel your sexuality squirm in confusion!

Sween-Pevvania Embassy wrote:I live in a conservative town, but luckily the state is liberal, so they don't even try to force it after 3rd grade because in third grade students have the right to free religious thought meaning they can be atheist and sue if they have to say "under god" While i am an atheist i don't care about the under god part in particular but the whole thing is crap. I don't have to say it luckily.

Yeah I don't say it for the same reasons. I might be copying off of Ipian's idea yesterday, but we should have a poll to see the different religious affiliations of the region. That'd make for a cool demographic, me thinks.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Yeah I don't say it for the same reasons. I might be copying off of Ipian's idea yesterday, but we should have a poll to see the different religious affiliations of the region. That'd make for a cool demographic, me thinks.

I agree, we should make a poll.

I say the pledge because I'm American and I'm glad to accept you not saying the pledge because I'm American.

Humpheria wrote:I say the pledge because I'm American and I'm glad to accept you not saying the pledge because I'm American.

I say it or not depending on how anarchist I feel at the moment.

Pax Osca wrote:How about Das Beer Boot(y)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuDtACzKGRs

feel your sexuality squirm in confusion!

Cough Too late cough

Humpheria wrote:I say the pledge because I'm American and I'm glad to accept you not saying the pledge because I'm American.

I don't say it for various reasons. Also, glad to see somebody reasonable, like you. My town is filled with a lot of bigots, plain idiots, and straight up Nazis.

my reasons:

-I'm actually Canadian (though i wouldn't pledge any kind of allegiance to Canada either)

-Atheist

-I feel it is wrong to pledge allegiance to anything (as, stuff becomes corrupt, no matter what it is, nothing ever stays "good" or "bad" and I don't want to have pledged to something that is in the future evil. Although pledging to anything doesn't mean anything in the first place, I just don't want a history of having done it.)

-I honestly don't think the country has "liberty and justice for ALL" (I'm sure you know of things like the teen who killed six people and got away with probation and rehab, because he had "affluenza" and supposedly "didn't know any better")

BONUS: Remembrance after death

-The only thing I want to be remembered for pledging is my "Asian Guarantee", my promise to myself. I stated that I will have an Asian wife (and only Asian), before I am murdered/assassinated. (With the specific mention of murder. I want to go honorably, killed by an enemy. [preferably holding a knife or sword in my left hand.])

I can arrange that for you.

Northern Prussia wrote:I can arrange that for you.

the Asian wife/wives or the death?

my goal is to live to at least 90, then die fighting.

Sween-Pevvania Embassy wrote:the Asian wife/wives or the death?

my goal is to live to at least 90, then die fighting.

^ therefore you'd have to kill me in no less than 86 years lol

Sween-Pevvania Embassy wrote:^ therefore you'd have to kill me in no less than 86 years lol

For a second I thought you were saying that you were four years old.

Sween-Pevvania Embassy wrote:-I feel it is wrong to pledge allegiance to anything (as, stuff becomes corrupt, no matter what it is, nothing ever stays "good" or "bad" and I don't want to have pledged to something that is in the future evil. Although pledging to anything doesn't mean anything in the first place, I just don't want a history of having done it.)

-I honestly don't think the country has "liberty and justice for ALL"

I pledge allegiance because I am loyal to the ideals of the pledge. If the United States is not the current embodiment of that which is said in the pledge, then I see the pledge as an affirmation of loyalty to one's nation and the desire to correct what is wrong with it.

The New United States wrote:I pledge allegiance because I am loyal to the ideals of the pledge. If the United States is not the current embodiment of that which is said in the pledge, then I see the pledge as an affirmation of loyalty to one's nation and the desire to correct what is wrong with it.

dido

The New United States wrote:I pledge allegiance because I am loyal to the ideals of the pledge. If the United States is not the current embodiment of that which is said in the pledge, then I see the pledge as an affirmation of loyalty to one's nation and the desire to correct what is wrong with it.

I love you.

Humpheria wrote:For a second I thought you were saying that you were four years old.

typo, 76 years

LISTEN HEAR YOU FASCIST STAY AWAY FROM THE UCR AND THE UNITED FRONT!!!!!!!!!!!

Pax Osca wrote:6) How is it any less valid than any other contract made on your behalf by a guardian? When you are born you have not yet reached the age of majority and so the age at which you take guardianship of your social contract, once you do you are free to release yourself of it by leaving and acquiring a new one in a different nation. Your continued consent to the social contract your parents signed you up for while acting as your guardians is implied by your continuation of the contract.

7) Yet these entities own the land, do they not have the right to enforce the rules they like on the property they own? As I understand it this is a fundamental right for Libertarians.

8) How so? Don't like how your landlord runs the apartment block you're renting a flat in? Stop paying rent and leave. You'll need to sign a new contract with a different landlord (gain citizenship in the new country) when you do, but that's on your onus, not the previous landlord's.

9) Unless the contract which all the entities are part of stipulates that the majority gets to decide what rights/laws etc are enforced.

12) Point one out, if you may be so kind. I can't think of a single person (who wasn't wanted for a crime) who's ever been barred from exiting the United States of their own accord.

6.) There was no "contract" made by a guardian, either, but that's another topic. Ideally service would be voluntary and mutual, and as an instinct part of human nature it would be better enforced voluntarily than most things. By the time someone is the age of majority, they'd be fairly ingrained in their country. Beyond learning a new language, going through that country's immigration, etc. etc. all countries have nearly the same or the same exact socio-political structure. There is only the illusion of choice.

7.) But the government is not a valid entity.

8.) Landlords. Are. Not. Equal. To. Governments.

The landlord does not impose any restriction other than his terms of service. A better comparison would be to a service of a corporate monopoly to a single service. Because the government provides different services over a select area (like a monopoly can) and acts in its own interest by restricting services to itself. Unlike a corporate monopoly, a government has no obligation to respect the will of the majority, because at any time it could revert to being a ruthless dictatorship, no matter how many checks and balances it has. Only the illusion

9.) Argument 6.

12.) Okay you are right. There is no US government obstacle to emigration from the US. But there may be obstacles from other countries preventing you from leaving the US. So in effect it is the same.

Unrelated but similar: in order to withdraw your US citizenship, you need to pay a fine of $400.

Of course, for a while in India you needed a form of consent to leave, so that's one example.

http://www.immihelp.com/nri/ecnr-emmigration-check-not-required-stamp.html

Loqmity wrote:LISTEN HEAR YOU FASCIST STAY AWAY FROM THE UCR AND THE UNITED FRONT!!!!!!!!!!!

CLEAN UP ON AISLE 4!!!!

Hallo Island wrote:CLEAN UP ON AISLE 4!!!!

?????????????????????

Loqmity wrote:?????????????????????

Please leave us alone.

Hallo Island wrote:Please leave us alone.

not until you give me your word.

Loqmity wrote:not until you give me your word.

can you explain what this is about? I'm just a diplomat.

Sween-Pevvania Embassy wrote:can you explain what this is about? I'm just a diplomat.

I want you fascists to stop trying to control the UCR and get their puppet out of the United Front

Post self-deleted by Republic Of Minerva.

Loqmity wrote:I want you fascists to stop trying to control the UCR and get their puppet out of the United Front

well, I'd prefer you didn't go calling everybody a fascist.

If the region was fascist, they would be allowing only those who agree with them in. it's the base of fascism. I am in here, I am a communist. I don't think a capitalist region would let a communist in, if they were a capitalist-fascist region.

It's a libertarian region, fascism is totalitarian.

Sween-Pevvania Embassy wrote:well, I'd prefer you didn't go calling everybody a fascist.

If the region was fascist, they would be allowing only those who agree with them in. it's the base of fascism. I am in here, I am a communist. I don't think a capitalist region would let a communist in, if they were a capitalist-fascist region.

It's a libertarian region, fascism is totalitarian.

DON'T LIE TO ME!!!

....What the hell is this.

Forget about it you people aren't worth it.

Hi! Just i want to know you. I'm new here.

Bilsa wrote:Hi! Just i want to know you. I'm new here.

Welcome to 'Tatem. The buffet table is to your right.

Bilsa wrote:Hi! Just i want to know you. I'm new here.

Hia

Bilsa wrote:Hi! Just i want to know you. I'm new here.

The orgy is to the left.

June starts in 2 hours 14 minutes, guise. Yay.

Well, I guess for Pev it's already June, but you get the point.

And also for non-Eastcoasters is also different. But still, East coast best coast.

Hey people!, i can't understand the map. Can you tell me?

Bilsa wrote:Hey people!, i can't understand the map. Can you tell me?

The map is a map of the world. The key to the right is color-coded. The name next to the color indicates which nation is indicated by that color.

Bilsa wrote:Hey people!, i can't understand the map. Can you tell me?

You want to join a party?

Miencraft wrote:The map is a map of the world. The key to the right is color-coded. The name next to the color indicates which nation is indicated by that color.

So much nations.

Ipian wrote:You want to join a party?

Why did you quote that in particular and then not tell him about the map? I'm curious.

Bilsa wrote:So much nations.

So many*

And yes, there are quite a few, but there's still so much empty space.

I mean, only 12 nations are mapped, so.

Miencraft wrote:Why did you quote that in particular and then not tell him about the map? I'm curious.

You were.

Ipian wrote:You were.

Wat.

Miencraft wrote:Wat.

I was asking if he wanted to join a party, while you were telling him about the map.

Miencraft wrote:I mean, only 12 nations are mapped, so.

Can you map me?

Sorry the error. Austritaria banned me for it! u.u DUCK THEM!

Ipian wrote:I was asking if he wanted to join a party, while you were telling him about the map.

Right, but why quote the part where he asks about the map if you're not going to tell him about the map?

Miencraft wrote:Right, but why quote the part where he asks about the map if you're not going to tell him about the map?

Just trying to talk to him. Took his most recent post.

Bilsa wrote:Can you map me?

Sorry the error. Austritaria banned me for it! u.u DUCK THEM!

You must be a citizen to be placed on the map.

Miencraft wrote:You must be a citizen to be placed on the map.

What? sorry. i'm a citizen... not?

Bilsa wrote:What? sorry. i'm a citizen... not?

Bilsa wrote:What? sorry. i'm a citizen... not?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=muh_roads/detail=factbook/id=228212

Humpheria wrote:Heloo

hia humpy

Ipian wrote:hia humpy

How you do?

Humpheria wrote:How you do?

Better then you.

Fun fact: Magic Conch is the only non-citizen with a map spot, because that map spot was granted before the citizenship requirement.

Ipian wrote:Better then you.

You must think you're big.

Humpheria wrote:You must think you're big.

Just kidding

okay i can't u.u .

And a final question. This region is active? i play this everyday

Loqmity wrote:Forget about it you people aren't worth it.

I think I made CE mad.

Bilsa wrote:okay i can't u.u .

And a final question. This region is active? i play this everyday

We're super-active. There's usually a discussion going on daily. Also, in about 2 hours June will begin, and we just elected a new Board that's scheduled to begin the preparation and presentation of new legislation at the start of June.

SOMEONE HERE SPEAK SPANISH?

Bilsa wrote:SOMEONE HERE SPEAK SPANISH?

Parlo italiano, ma no parlo spagnolo.

here are 49 minutes to june

And in Austritaria in 1 second are 2 messages. i want it :D

Miencraft wrote:Parlo italiano, ma no parlo spagnolo.

Je ne parle espangol. Je parle francais.

Stop Flirting in French!

Humpheria wrote:Je ne parle espangol. Je parle francais.

Francese e' una lingua molta sporca. I personi francesi e' molti sporci. Francia e' molta sporca. Italiano e' molto pulito. Italia e' pulitissima. I personi francesi e' maiali.

Русский полностью хороший язык тоже.

Miencraft wrote:Francese e' una lingua molta sporca. I personi francesi e' molti sporci. Francia e' molta sporca. Italiano e' molto pulito. Italia e' pulitissima. I personi francesi e' maiali.

DEUTSCH

I speak English fluently.

Bilsa wrote:DEUTSCH

TEDESCO E' UNA LINGUA SPORCA.

Albenia wrote:I'm American.

I'm also an American.

Albenia wrote:I'm American.

Miencraft wrote:I'm also an American.

I am also an American.

So I just learned that my best friend on this game would only be my friend in real life to use me.....

Classical Athens wrote:I am also an American.

I'm so American that whenever I get a heart attack an eagle flies into my body to fix it.

Classical Athens wrote:I am also an American.

America is a continent, not a country

Miencraft wrote:Francese e' una lingua molta sporca. I personi francesi e' molti sporci. Francia e' molta sporca. Italiano e' molto pulito. Italia e' pulitissima. I personi francesi e' maiali.

Vous paresseux fasciste italien. Comment osez-vous parler durement de la langue de l'amour. Va te prendre avec ma bite.

Bilsa wrote:okay i can't u.u .

And a final question. This region is active? i play this everyday

YES

Albenia wrote:I'm American.

Miencraft wrote:I'm also an American.

Classical Athens wrote:I am also an American.

Me to

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