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"shall be consist" -> "shall consist"

"...shall assist them in civil trials and suits, they can hold any other office" -> "...shall assist the latter in civil trials and suits and can hold any other office"

Same for the line immediately after, just with different stuff about assisting.

"The AG shall henceforth... official, they can hold a legislative Board position only" -> "The AG shall henceforth... official; they can also hold a Board position"

"The OAG shall report... President, the President is the executive supervisor of the OAG" -> "The OAG shall report... President, who is the AG's executive supervisor"

Miencraft wrote:"shall be consist" -> "shall consist"

"...shall assist them in civil trials and suits, they can hold any other office" -> "...shall assist the latter in civil trials and suits and can hold any other office"

Same for the line immediately after, just with different stuff about assisting.

"The AG shall henceforth... official, they can hold a legislative Board position only" -> "The AG shall henceforth... official; they can also hold a Board position"

"The OAG shall report... President, the President is the executive supervisor of the OAG" -> "The OAG shall report... President, who is the AG's executive supervisor"

Blah, blah, blah, Grammar "Reactionary Capitalist", blah, blahblhablabhabkhbalabjas

Humpheria wrote:Blah, blah, blah, Grammar "Reactionary Capitalist", blah, blahblhablabhabkhbalabjas

HONHONHONHON BAGUETTE PAREE HONHONHON

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:GRAMMAR IS A TOOL OF THE BOURGEOIS!

no u

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:GRAMMAR IS A TOOL OF THE BOURGEOIS!

He's spent time in NK, he's an expert.

Humpheria wrote:He's spent time in NK, he's an expert.

*Nods*

American imperialism is all capitalist fault and the rich control the drug cartels.

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The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:*Nods*

American imperialism is all capitalist fault and the rich control the drug cartels.

ALL DA PROBLEMS IN MURICA IZ CAPITALIST PIGS FAULTS!

Is anyone going to second the AGA?

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:American imperialism is all capitalist fault and the rich control the drug cartels.

That's why I think it's pointless to debate these guys. They're so far gone with their tinfoil hat theories that any evidence that disputes their belief-system becomes "propaganda."

In the same vein, there's another bizarre belief that you might find interesting. In S. Korea, it's nearly universally agreed that leaving a fan on in a closed room is deadly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death

This belief is so strong that fans are required to have timers on them as a "safety device." It goes to show how bizarre ideas can take hold in otherwise rational populations.

Humpheria wrote:Is anyone going to second the AGA?

Can I second it as a citizen or do I need to be a Board member? If I can, consider the AGA seconded!

I'm tired of NK throwing the word 'undemocratic' around to describe anyone but them... really?

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I tried talking to them and they ejected me before I could say anything. If there is any here who thinks that they are benevolent, misunderstood educators (looks at TTA) then consider: why do they eject everyone but certain people (looks at TTA)

I am against the war on communism so I wonder if they would let me in.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I am against the war on communism so I wonder if they would let me in.

I don't know. You're one of them undemocratic reactionary Capitalists. I doubt it, but why not give them another avenue to attempt to use one of our citizens as a spy? Give it a shot.

Humpheria wrote:I tried talking to them and they ejected me before I could say anything. If there is any here who thinks that they are benevolent, misunderstood educators (looks at TTA) then consider: why do they eject everyone but certain people (looks at TTA)

Your an establishment pro war on communism libertatem citizen. Why would they let you in?

The Amarican Empire wrote:Your an establishment pro war on communism libertatem citizen. Why would they let you in?

A couple of things.

1. Hurtful tone, not digging it.

2. They don't care about our internal politics, we're all the same to them

3. TTA didn't get in because he was anti-War, he got in because he asked to be educated, and they fancy themselves teachers.

Humpheria wrote:I tried talking to them and they ejected me before I could say anything. If there is any here who thinks that they are benevolent, misunderstood educators (looks at TTA) then consider: why do they eject everyone but certain people (looks at TTA)

Because I came in peacefully. I came in to learn about them and debate with them instead of just writing off their ideology and declaring war on them.

Humpheria wrote:A couple of things.

1. Hurtful tone, not digging it.

2. They don't care about our internal politics, we're all the same to them

3. TTA didn't get in because he was anti-War, he got in because he asked to be educated, and they fancy themselves teachers.

3. I mean it had to do with the fact I was peaceful as well...but yeah you are not wrong there.

They probably hate me less than a main member of our government.

I ask the question and Amar be like "Cause your special"

What's that? North Korea is constitutionally hostile against capitalists? Sound familiar?

Oh, and they eject and suppress people from a certain region on sight? I guess that's where the similarities end.

See, guys? This is what I was trying to tell you. They have been waging a War on Capitalism since the early days of La Pasionara and the Red Fleet. This is not a new issue, or a mean closed minded Libertatem thing. They do literally the exact same thing. We just don't silence you if you're against it like they are.

The Amarican Empire wrote:They probably hate me less than a main member of our government.

They hate you because you are from Libertatem, which they just proved to you. They do not care if you support the War or not, you are a "Reactionary". That is how it has been for years and it will be like that for years to come. Going there and displaying Libertatem as weak and divided will not help at all.

Good night, guys.

Way to show your stripes, NK. You have successfully made yourself look bad to a slowly liberalizing, anti-War region. That totally didn't help you at all. [/sarcasm]

Any sort of military conflict with NK would be useless and counter-productive. It also seems any sort of diplomacy or discussion wit NK is useless. We should just leave them alone.

Fridays are busy for me, sorry. And I will try to be more active now though. My computer has had a virus which made it annoying to use this website and I just got it fixed recently so I'm all good now.

Humpheria wrote:I do think that you have a habit of conveniently having threatening telegrams from Pev every other day when no one else does.

Well I was just wondering gorsh

Pevvania wrote:Calm ya jimmies, just a bit of banter! :P

Well, I am the incumbent Manager of Military Affairs.

Not really sure if banter or was being serious

Miencraft wrote:You'd better get active again or I'm going to put you in the hole.

Not sure if welcoming back or was being serious

The saddest part is I just realized I missed the Halloween zombie thing... *cries*

As it has been motioned and seconded, I urge an executive to make a poll on the Attorney General's Office. The Board can vote on it as well.

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Humpheria wrote:As it has been motioned and seconded, I urge an executive to make a poll on the Attorney General's Office. The Board can vote on it as well.

You're going to put me behind. Board elections need to start Monday.

But I guess we can also start them on Tuesday. Month doesn't end until next Sunday, after all.

Miencraft wrote:You're going to put me behind. Board elections need to start Monday.

But I guess we can also start them on Tuesday. Month doesn't end until next Sunday, after all.

Board elections start Monday?

*smirks*

Speaking of that, can I get a list of everyone who's running for what and under what?

Miencraft wrote:Speaking of that, can I get a list of everyone who's running for what and under what?

Seat 1: Yrellian Confederacy I

Seat 2: Humpheria RLP

Seat 3: RWN RLP vs. Funky ACOP vs. Renegalis Unknown

Seat 4: Amarican Empire I

Seat 5: NCSA RLP

Jeez guys.. i could read all these posts.. or go read war & peace. It would take about the same time.

Humpheria wrote:Seat 1: Yrellian Confederacy I

Seat 2: Humpheria RLP

Seat 3: RWN RLP vs. Funky ACOP vs. Renegalis Unknown

Seat 4: Amarican Empire I

Seat 5: NCSA RLP

...I see

I'll run for Seat 5

Muh Roads wrote:Jeez guys.. i could read all these posts.. or go read war & peace. It would take about the same time.

Rundown of last night:

TTA was hailing the Dear Leader of NK.

I invited them to debate.

They ejected me.

Amarican thought they just hated me for being Pro-War.

He got suppressed.

NK made it known that they were just as bad or worse than we are. The only difference is that they don't have people displaying weakness and trying to support the other side.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:...I see

I'll run for Seat 5

Thought you were to busy?

Humpheria wrote:Thought you were to busy?

I was, but I think i can put off my amendments for this election. I think it'll go a long way to helping those amendments.

Humpheria wrote:The only difference is that they don't have people displaying weakness and trying to support the other side.

The war for NK isn't even an offensive war though, not according to the leader

In real life we're fighting for a revolution - but it begins with education.

As in real life as on Nationstates.

The Korean Peoples Army, while in the past not afraid of attacking a region for its ideological outlook, wasn't based around that. It was forged based representing and defending socialism where it's under attack and bringing the fight to our enemy (fascists, anti-communists).

The attack on Benevolent Capitalism wasn't "an attack on Benevolent Capitalism" but an attack against one of Libertatem's allies as retribution for the attack on peaceful and small Communist China - one of our allies.

Now I'm not the leader of the KPA anymore, for more information or what the real motives of the KPA were you can speak with General Comradeland. As far as I understand (and I played a pretty big part) that's what that was about.

So historically we've targeted regions "hostile to socialism", not regions that are "pro-capitalism" that's not "expansion" and "world revolution". That's defending our ideological comrades and political stance.

The KPA has also historically been anti-fascist, for 11 months in 2011 and 2012 (I'd have to check the dates) our region was under fascist control. We have the historical duty to fight fascism, this fight is enshrined in our regional history and having our region plundered engendered the iron will of the comrades here today and the revolutionary spirit that attracts new comrades here to North Korea.

As for the current situation within the regional armed forces you should speak with the General, it really has nothing to do with me anymore. As I said these matter aren't really my responsibility and I'm rather out of touch with the region's military other than keeping an eye over its membership's public political stances.

The reason I thought that making AG an elected position was a good idea:

The AG is responsible for upholding and interpreting the law. I believe that the region would be much better suited for that if the people decided the legal authority, not the President. The executive Branch has needed some cuts for sometime.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:-snip-

What did I tell you last night? The entire war has been a cycle of retaliations since La Pas started flexing his Red Fleet in our face.

Humpheria wrote:The reason I thought that making AG an elected position was a good idea:

The AG is responsible for upholding and interpreting the law. I believe that the region would be much better suited for that if the people decided the legal authority, not the President. The executive Branch has needed some cuts for sometime.

I can support your Amendment.

Humpheria wrote:What did I tell you last night? The entire war has been a cycle of retaliations since La Pas started flexing his Red Fleet in our face.

Last I checked I said NK's involvement. I didn't say everyone's involvement. I'm sure somewhere out there we have a communist group that we have good reasons to fight.

Humpheria wrote:Seat 1: Yrellian Confederacy I

Seat 2: Humpheria RLP

Seat 3: RWN RLP vs. Funky ACOP vs. Renegalis Unknown

Seat 4: Amarican Empire I

Seat 5: NCSA RLP

Oh. Good. I thought all five seats were being contested.

That gives us plenty of time then.

Miencraft wrote:Oh. Good. I thought all five seats were being contested.

That gives us plenty of time then.

I'm contesting seat 5 so...3 and 5 are the only two.

So close to the least corrupt government, yet so far.

Humpheria wrote:So close to the least corrupt government, yet so far.

Yeah and hopefully we can actually get some certain people in...

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Yeah and hopefully we can actually get some certain people in...

To my government?

Humpheria wrote:To my government?

...Wrong governments...

Humpheria wrote:So close to the least corrupt government, yet so far.

Damn that Gabriel Possenti.

Miencraft wrote:Damn that Gabriel Possenti.

Right?

I am 6th least corrupt.....

DANG IT!

7 people are in front of me for most corrupt.

I like it when people actually respond to the recruitment telegram. It's nice sometimes.

I'm second to last... :(

Humpheria wrote:NK made it known that they were just as bad or worse than we are. The only difference is that they don't have people displaying weakness and trying to support the other side.

We don't suppress posts and we don't banject citizens without trial. That's a VERY big difference.

While I disagree with TTA's going over there and throwing them softballs questions, I also recognize that our diversity of opinion is our strength. The greatest flaw of "democratic centralism" is that it takes the consensus of the moment and sets it in stone. Once the issue has been decided any dissent is regarded as an attack on the "unity" of the group. We don't do things that way. Here in Libertatem, all laws can be repealed or changed. Even our constitution can be amended and that's how it ought to be. If a policy, any policy, cannot withstand debate and criticism then it deserves to be repealed.

Softballs questions? What the heck does that term mean.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Softballs questions? What the heck does that term mean.

That's when you ask leading questions that are favorable to the subject.

The United Order wrote:So this whole thing isn't fighting an ideology.... It's just defending one and educating people about it?

*gag*

Funkytopia wrote:That's when you ask leading questions that are favorable to the subject.

*gag*

Well it's a verifying question.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Well it's a verifying question.

What exactly does it do, though? It doesn't mean anything; all you're doing by asking them that is submitting to them.

Miencraft wrote:What exactly does it do, though? It doesn't mean anything; all you're doing by asking them that is submitting to them.

Well I just wanted to verify it so I knew I understood what they just said...

As for submission. I've already..done..lets not talk about submitting to people.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Well I just wanted to verify it so I knew I understood what they just said...

As for submission. I've already..done..lets not talk about submitting to people.

Just... don't do that again.

Like, don't. Please. Don't even establish the fact that you have any ties to us. You're not in the State department, and I don't want anyone outside of that going around to places like NK and trying to negotiate or whatever the hell it is you do there.

You can of course do that again if nobody knows that it's you, but please stop doing anything at large that could be interpreted as representing us, because for right now you don't.

Who the heck said I was trying to represent Libertatem. That is hilarious. Never have I even stated I represented Libertatem. In fact any time I've mentioned Libertatem over there it had no diplomatic value to it.

I went iver there to learn. I have said I'm a citizen of Libertatem, but I never walked to their dang foreign affairs person and talked about relationships. Heck I don't even n know who that person qould be. My presence in North Korea has been purely debating and discussion.

The favt you state that shows you obviously have no clue what I have said over there in terms of why I am there. So you can actually stay out of this.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:I have said I'm a citizen of Libertatem,

This is what I'm talking about. Don't even relate your presence there to us in any way. You don't represent us, so they don't need to know where you're from.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:So you can actually stay out of this.

'scuse me. I've got to run this region, and you being there and doing whatever the hell it is you're doing there isn't really helping.

In fact, you're just screwing everyone up in here over this, and I'm the one who has to deal with that.

So, no, I don't think I'm going to stay out of this.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Calm down libertatem.

Naah.

This probably is not as big of deal as Y'all make it out to be.

They knew we here I was from anyways. I asked their founder if I could come to that dang region on this account. I didn't really have to say it. They were already aware of my visit. In all honesty I find your dislike of me having simple discussions with the enemy disturbing. Are you that worried about them that I can't tell them where I'm from?

Really, I'm not screwing anyeon here up I don't even understand that logic. If this is a war thing I've caused we have had that argument since Feburary. It's just not logical to say I'm hurting people in this region by being over there.

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The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:They knew we here I was from anyways. I asked their founder if I could come to that dang region on this account. I didn't really have to say it. They were already aware of my visit. In all honesty I find your dislike of me having simple discussions with the enemy disturbing. Are you that worried about them that I can't tell them where I'm from?

Really, I'm not screwing anyeon here up I don't even understand that logic. If this is a war thing I've caused we have had that argument since Feburary. It's just not logical to say I'm hurting people in this region by being over there.

You can't tell them you're from here because you don't represent us, and if they get that idea, that's pretty bad for the State department that has to clean up your mess.

You can talk with the enemy all you want. I don't care. Just make sure they don't know you're from here, because they'll get the idea that you're representing us.

Well, actually, I do have a bit of a problem with your being able to talk to them where, say, Humpheria has failed: you've done something to get on their good side. If anyone else from here tried to go talk to them, they'd undoubtedly get ejected. You're trying to make friends with them. They're the enemy. You don't do that. Treason's gotten you out of here before, you know. Don't think it won't happen again if you keep doing that.

Though, of course, it might not happen if nobody else sees this the same way I do.

Just watch yourself, though.

Treason, treason? Really. Oh no. I'm talking to the enemy. I'm open-minded. I'm treasonous.

Not how that one works. Why did I get on their good side? Because I took the time to be open-minded, to discuss, and to actually try to understand them. Maybe that's why I was able to get in. How else would I get on their good side? Please tell me?

Me being from here doesn't make me a representative of the region. They know that too they've even said "that they wished Libertatem and it's officials were open-minded.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Treason, treason? Really. Oh no. I'm talking to the enemy. I'm open-minded. I'm treasonous.

Not how that one works. Why did I get on their good side? Because I took the time to be open-minded, to discuss, and to actually try to understand them. Maybe that's why I was able to get in. How else would I get on their good side? Please tell me?

Me being from here doesn't make me a representative of the region. They know that too they've even said "that they wished Libertatem and it's officials were open-minded.

1) This looks to my eye to be treason because you must have made friends with them in order to stay there.

2) We've sent diplomats (official ones, by the way) over to try to do the same thing: to discuss and to understand. How did they react? Suppression and banishment. You are not there because you're trying to talk to them. You're there because they like you.

3) Yes, but this blunder of an interview with their founder makes us look bad on an international level regardless of whether or not you did it in an official capacity. We as a region are the powerhouse against these people, you could at the very least make this guy think while you're over there.

Minerva, I must leave to do things, you can continue this if you want to.

1) Oh no I made a friend....call the government I'm evil throw me in jail.

2) Why then do they like me?

3) I'm not going to pretend to believe that when I don't believe in fighting against them. How have I made the region look bad? Because I'm open-minded, because it shows we accept different beliefs?

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:1) Oh no I made a friend....call the government I'm evil throw me in jail.

2) Why then do they like me?

3) I'm not going to pretend to believe that when I don't believe in fighting against them. How have I made the region look bad? Because I'm open-minded, because it shows we accept different beliefs?

1) Yep. A friend with one of our greatest enemies.

2) Go ask them.

3) No, because you just went along with the guy and more or less refused to make him actually think; that reflects poorly on us when something in our own paper is essentially just NK propaganda.

Okay look. The problem is I wanted to know how they thought already without them having to think about other things. I understand that you hate people who don't think like you and so does Humph. But some people don't.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Okay look. The problem is I wanted to know how they thought already without them having to think about other things. I understand that you hate people who don't think like you and so does Humph. But some people don't.

I hate them not because they think differently, but because they hate us.

Any of us tried to go in there and communicate with them, we'd be ejected.

In fact, I love people who don't think like me because it means I get to debate them, and I love doing that.

Miencraft wrote:1) This looks to my eye to be treason because you must have made friends with them in order to stay there.

My thoughts exactly.

How can I have a corrupt government in anarchy?

Miencraft wrote:But don't we already have a woman in office?

-_-

What's that supposed to mean?

Milteria wrote:-_-

What's that supposed to mean?

Mien's in trouble now :p

Milteria wrote:-_-

What's that supposed to mean?

Yes, the real man in that marriage is obviously Michelle.

This is an awesome song, and I recommend it for Libertatem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIaRyaQw4N0#t=30

Muh Roads wrote:My thoughts exactly.

Oh my gosh. See NK is fine with the fact I'm from Libertatem, yet y'all are snapping at me for being friendly with NK.

Miencraft wrote:I hate them not because they think differently, but because they hate us.

Any of us tried to go in there and communicate with them, we'd be ejected.

In fact, I love people who don't think like me because it means I get to debate them, and I love doing that.

Then I don't know ehy I'm different.

Who is the woman in office ?

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Oh my gosh. See NK is fine with the fact I'm from Libertatem, yet y'all are snapping at me for being friendly with NK.

Then I don't know ehy I'm different.

Imagine if Churchill, or any person in power was 'friendly' towards the enemy? Really makes you questions their motives...

So NK just said Vietnam and China are the most progressive countries in Asia. That is a joke, right?

Being socialist is a right.

But trying to establish it despite other people's will is a crime.

So every socialist in any government is a criminal, not these people from NK, who are just basically young people a little bit lost in their lives.

I'm also convinced that I probably have socialists friends. But this idea is very hard to accept, so I'm going to assume they're not.

Jordsindia wrote:So NK just said Vietnam and China are the most progressive countries in Asia. That is a joke, right?

Well NK seems to be progressive with LSD legalization :b

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Well NK seems to be progressive with LSD legalization :b

For the military only, right?

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:I'm also convinced that I probably have socialists friends. But this idea is very hard to accept, so I'm going to assume they're not.

I'M HARRY POLLITT PLEASE!

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