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"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Tim. 2:5).

A biblical source is sufficient as a Catholic source. Do you not revere the sacredness of the Bible as the greatest written work of your Church?

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There is no such thing as god, and Jesus was a staunch altruist which goes against an intregral principle of libertarianism: independence, or individualism.

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Lies? Oh my. I didn't even know I was a liar. Thank you for informing me, Abatael!

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Well maybe in your mind Abatael, but not in reality. It was not God that created man, it was the other way around.

The difference here is that you have no scientific research to support your theory, but I do. Jesus may have existed, but he was nothing but a regular dude who wanted nothing more than a communistic society, and then his healing powers got exaggerated by priests. Pff. Please don't tell me you believe the earth was created in 6 days.

Keep the religious discussions in the telegrams from now on, please. Debate on social, economic, and political views is fine and even encouraged, but a religious debate is extremely divisive and will do absolutely nothing to improve the region.

Right now the Libertarian Party is gaining the most amount of members.

Abatael and others of the more authoritarian persuasion, I suggest you all join the Right Party so you can unite in opposition to the LP.

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What happened to no religious arguments on the RMB? Please, keep it in the telegrams!

Hot damn! Join the Libertarian Party today and get a free pizza for all your friends! Just remember that nothing is free and instead the Libertarian Pizza pays.

Snabagag, shut up!

Abatael is right!

Don't thread on my Jesus! God Bless America!

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Welcome to the region, Timmy City. Abatael, I'm a libertarian, I don't know how else to tell you that. On a side note, I am right in between yours and Snabagag's social views.

Is there an GOP party?

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There's a Libertarian, Right, and Democratic-Republican Party. I suggest you join either the Right or the DR if you really like the GOP.

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The DRP needs more members...the same goes for the Right. Abatael, why don't you join the Right?

Here is some stuff about my nation:

We are a democracy, with GOP views, and enourage free trade.

We have served as WA delegate in three regions, and I have been minister of economics and finance, many times, we were also the head of a council specializing on economics.

We had the best encomy in our regions.

How large were the regions and what are their names?

How it is so far:

1) the Right Party: 4 members

2) the Libertarians: 4 members

3) the Democratic-Republicans: 2 members

4) the ACPL: everyone else

The DRP has just gained another member.

The parties are now tied.

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...I have no idea what's going on here.

Just, remember. United we stand; divided we fall.

And, welcome, Timmy City.

Independent Statism, your party has not yet been approved by the Board.

Oh I'm sorry. How do I get board approval?

I'm not dividing anyone Conservative Idealism, just a new party for the region I was hoping to propose.

I just submitted the proposal to the Board with your manifesto. If you get 3/5 approval, you will automatically be authorized to create this official party of yours. You may want to send telegrams to them and try to convince them of the worthiness of your party idea. I suspect it will encounter sharp opposition, due to the Board containing Libertarian Party members and a general abhorance of statism (you also mentioned the NAZI's as members of your ideology...bad idea).

Well, I did say with varying degrees and also mentioned George Bush.

"Sigh"

I'll write them tomorrow.

Btw, I'm not sure you're going to get any farther with George Bush as you did with the Nazi's...they're still libertarians. I suggest you try to get the approval from RedBadge, VincitQuiSeVincit, and one of the other three. I think those two might approve it (at least they're your best shot).

Name of regions: Empire of Andrew, and Pantopia, both had major collapses.

If you want to talk to people on my prevoius experiences ask Abatel, Orson Empire, and The Kingdom of Valecia.

Hey New Old Rhdesia, of course you can join.

Welcome to Libertatem Rhodesia.

The Right Party is currently the leading party in Libertatem (aside from the ACPL of course).

You guys have an irrational hatred of liberals

Cold Coast, We are a conservative and right-leanining libertarian region. I suggest that you and your friends in the Federal Islands quit with your verbal attacks. It's emabarrising on your part that you all would stoop this low. You don't see us going onto your RMB and insulting you do you, because I don't.

Also on the topic of hatred of liberals so we can put you in your place, the idealogy of liberalism is a failed one. Taxing the rich and giving the revenue to social programs haven't worked yet and it never will. Take California for example ( and no offense to all you conservative Californians ) entire cities of California that have tried to liberal way of taxing and spending have gone bankrupt. We have a RATIONAL hatred of liberals because they are failures and a blight upon humanity.

@Abatael:

''Yeah, Snabagag, you Godless liberal! Everyone should withdraw their WA endorsements from him. Because do you want this Godless, heretical, despotic liberal (perhaps even Communist) in charge?''

Are you really that desperate to become a delegate that you would call him names and tell others what to do. Communist? Liberal? Come on, you have got to be kidding me

''He's atheist, and atheists are bound by no moral code, that would explain his previous actions.''

Atheists are bound by a moral code, they don't need religion for that because they acknowledge the fact that they share this planet with almost 7 billion other people. Here is a nice little quote for you, Abatael.

Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told.

Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.

@The Commonwealth of Cold Coast:

''You guys have an irrational hatred of liberals''

No we just disagree with them on most issues, although we respect their opinion and support the fact that they can have that opinion because we Libertarians believe in freedom and that means that people have the right to believe in what they want to believe. We don't hate them nor do we hate their opinions, we just disagree with them.

I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire

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Libertatem is a partisan region that doesn't accept liberals. Look at The Federal Islands. The Federal Islands has almost an equal amount of liberals and conservatives. Teh Federal Islands is bipartisan.

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Also to the Federal Islands ( we all know you read our RMB ) quit sending people to come over here to insult us and tell us how things work here. I would advise all of you who come here from the Federal Islands ( I'm talking to you too Cold Coast ) to just get out of here and let us live in peace, you don't see us going onto your RMB and insulting you all now do ya?

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Abatael

Yes, atheists are bound by a morale code. That is because people are bound by a moral code, well at least some of us, whether they are religious or not.

That quote did make sense, but it's just difficult to understand it, do not worry I will explain it to you.

Religious persons often do things whether they are right or not, they do them because of their religion.

Have a look at history:

This does not include all the ''Witch wars'' nor does it include all the wars waged in the old testament.

1562-1598 – French Wars of Religion – France – 4 million

1095-1291 – Crusades to the Holy Land – Middle East, Spain, Africa – 2 million

1184-c. 1860 – Various Christian Inquisitions – Europe – 17,500

184-205 – Yellow Scarves Rebellion (Taoists) – China – 7 million

1855-1877 – Panthay Rebellion (Muslims) – China – 12 million

1971 – Bangladesh Atrocities (Islamists) – East Pakistan – 3 million

1983 - 2005 Second Sudanese Civil War (Christian and Muslim) - Sudan - 2 million

1618-1648 Thirty Years' war (Protestants and Catholics) - Holy Roman Empire - 7 million

And the horrible thing is that these wars are not the only one, I could count many others but I think you get the point.

All these are listed as religious wars. You might mention Stalin or Hitler and that they were atheists, but no Hitler was Roman Catholic and not Atheist and yes Stalin was atheist but he didn't kill in the name of atheism, he killed in the name of communism. Therefore the deaths caused by them aren't listed as casualties in a religious conflict.

The army of God killed thousands of doctors and civilians at abortion clinics, all in the name of Christianity.

And you are saying that atheists aren't bound by a moral code but religious people are?

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I don't really approve of atheism but it's not my place to condemn people for what they believe in, but to the real point I'm posting this. It's hard to believe that just because your not religious your not bound to a moral code. Everyone has views of right or wrong and morals that they give to themselves. Now I'm a Baptist here in the south so don't go calling me the Anti-Christ or an atheist-sympathiser.

You insult liberals for taxing and spending. What else would you do with tax money? Taxing the rich DOES work and I have no clue why you think it doesn't.

And social program's such as welfare have NOT failed. Welfare is successful and essential.

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Cold Coast I don't expect you to understand our conservative economic way of thinking but let me break it down for you and hopefully you'll take the knowlege back to the Federal Islands. Now if we cut taxes across the board for everyone no matter what their income then they are able to keep more of their money. Now after people get to keep more of their money and pay their bills they'll have more and the end of the month; which most people will use to buy them something nice at a department store or maybe go out to dinner with the family which will help the private sector. Now the upper-income that like to invest will have more money to invest in businesses, which make up the private sector, and that allows the businesses to expand which will create roles that need to be filled and those people that fill the roles will have jobs. Thats the idea that Ronald Reagan created and thats why he is a genuise.

The fact the taxing the richest Americans ALONE can get us 2 billion is good! It is not ineffective and worthless. Also, do you know how much of a percentage the wealthiest pay? I think it's 20%, but I could be wrong.

Cold Coast, first of all it's not fair to over-tax the wealthy just because they are successful and second of all eventually the higher-income will run out of money from over-taxation!

Except those taxes pay for things like ROADS, and SCHOOLS. And having money does NOT mean you will create jobs. Most people will save their money. And it will end up creating a huge gap because the rich will get richer and the poor and uneducated will get poorer.

I just explained how having money creates jobs and also everyone in the United States pays federal income tax so we can have roads and schools so theres no reason to over-tax the rich because they do their fair share too!

No because the wealthy will continue to make money and they don't NEED all that money so they pay it in taxes and it can go to WELFARE so those people won't starve and die!

The wealthy invest that money in the private sector and it shouldn't go into the welfare because that system is a waste of money because to many people who can take care of themselves are on it!

There has been an article published that proved since 1948 that giving tax cuts to the wealthy does not benefit the economy. You guys recruited our nations. You are disobeying our agreement that we made.

There are also charities that take care of people so they don't starve and die, along with churches!

But a lot of that money WON'T go to business and they won't create that many jobs!!

You can't trust a "charity" to take care of people!! Most heads of charities make a ton of money! You can't just rely on a church to do everything?

You obviously don't study history or economics because if you did you would know that it does.

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Then why didn't the bush tax cuts make our economy better!?

YOU don't study economics, ISA. Giving tax cuts to the wealthy doesn't work.

Also Cold Coast you need to go back to the Federal Islands. We're in a cold war with you all and you want to come over here and infuriate us even more? You try to tell us that our beliefs are wrong and that your left-wing social-engineering ideas are right? Just go back to where you belong already.

Fed Isl cutting taxes on the wealthy and everyone does work! Why don't you go study about America during the Reagan Administration and see how great it worked for them?

There was slower economic growth under Republican Presidents. You should study history, ISA. Also setting up government like a buisness isn't fair.

But Bush had the same ideas! Cut taxes for the rich. Why didn't it work then?

Theres a slower economic growth under this liberal democrat president! Also Cold Coast this isn't about Bush we were talking about Reagan.

Under Bush the economy flunked. Under Obama and Clinton, the economy went up by 65% and 325% prospectively.

I'm living under this Obama administration and the economy isn't going up at all! Now Fed Isl ( who I bet is Neutricland ) and Cold Coast I've asked you to leave Libertatem we are a conservative and right-leaning libertarian nation and we don't want you here disturbing the peace!

Yeah you guys are totally unlike Reagan because you are partisan. Reagan was a good president because he was bipartisan. You should learn to be partisan.

The economy IS getting better, there is no evidence of the contrary. Now, it's not as fast as I'd like but it's better than nothing.

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I meant bipartisan not partisan as my last word.

The economy is getting worse and it will continue to get worse and heres the main reason why, Obamacare! That will force business owners to pay for and provide insurance for their workers and it will force business to put all their workers to part time so they wont meet the requirements to receive healthcare from their businesses. The economy is going down the toilet because of socialised medicine and libtard idealogy.

The economy had lower unemployment under Bush because Bush left us all in a situation where the economy was dropping dramatically. Obama was just left in a sticky situation.

No, the bush tax cuts CAUSED this mess.

And the unemployment thing is true, but that is not how it works in reality. The unemployment rate was rapidly going up and was expected to reach 20% when Obama took office.

ISA, did you just call us liberals retards?

Obamacare is GOOD because it makes sure those people have healthcare. If a worker gets cancer would you just let them sit and die because they don't have healthcare? Or would a church and charity pay for them to get better?

Yeah libtards, I'm glad you can read and you act like Obama inherited the worst recession ever well let me tell you something, almost ever president inherits a mild or worse recession it's just Obama doesn't know how to deal with it so go back to the Federal Islands already you two.

I agree with Cold Coast, Obama Care saves lives. But I wouldn't need it, however, because I live in Massachusetts.

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