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Region: Libertatem
As for domestic affairs I have some ideas.
(1)Repeal this-
Subsection III
The Board shall have the authority to declare war, create peace, and check the power of the President when it deems fit through petition and redress, as well as a popular vote among the various Board Members and Managers.
All laws and declarations of war should go through first the board, then the House (but see section 2 for modifications) , then to a referendum.
(2)Remove the house of representatives and create the senate, a ten person elected body that reviews board decisions. Elected by popular vote, each citizen gets to pick a top three from candidates.
A small raid on a small occupied region is alright. But should the Regional Government endorse a raid on the Black Riders [nation=short]Endralia[nation]
I'll participate.
Don't forget thay a large sum of those embassies are recreated communist regions and colonies of Libertatem. Our most crucial allies are in REATO, IMO.
As will I
I'd love to if it's going to happen in the next couple days.
I've already found the region. And I have just sent my puppet.
I think that a small raid on an occupied region does little and that a quick attack could eliminate, if not the Black Riders, then a slightly smaller region, like the Black Hawks. Remember, the Black Riders will never be smaller than they are today, and the same will be true every day we wait, as they get stronger. Soon, their ugly eye will turn to us and we will have no quick solution.
We've discussed ideas similar to this before, that would take so much micromanagement it's unrealistic for such a thing to work.
With the house anyone can become active in the Libertatem governments affairs. Through your democratic process you'd actually be restricting potential liberty minded legislation.
Woah, woah, woah. An attempt on raiding THE Black Riders region would be a horrific tragedy.
1. They don't even have a delegate
2. Their founder account is very active and shared by several players
3. We could never rally enough "allies" to do that (even if it was possible)
4. They would wipe us out if we ever even seriously considered it.
If we're going to do raiding, lets keep it in our league and just fight the uber-statists
The Black Riders SHALL NOT PASS.
I feel dirty.. that's the first time I ever disliked a democratic process. :P
However does the house not allow people with totalitarian ideals to gain power, without the support of the population? I am not saying we should violate their freedom of speech, but should we give them a platform to speak on?
They can make their own platform and see where that gets them.
You'll get there some day
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Why restrict them? It would be very erm.. unlibertarian? to do otherwise.
Instead of invading the Black Riders main region, let's invade regions, that they occupy. I already have plenty of occupied regions on my hit list.
Anyone can have any point of view in Libertatem. Hell, we have a Socialist Party!
How about an invasion of someone with 70-80 nations like the Axis of Evil? I still think direct invasions are the only solution.
Speaking of, I already have a raid me and Humpheria are doing. Anyone want to help?
So I digress. While an attack on the riders might be unrealistic, what about a direct raid on a slightly smaller invading nation?
Haha..
Actually region, not nation.
When?
Does no one else the the fallacy of an openly anarchist party running for public office?
I sure do.
No, government is the only vehicle to destroy government.
(except arson, hehehe)
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It makes me laugh honestly.
Ahem, "As your new president, I resign."
"As your new president, ANARCHY! Y'ALL CAN JUST EAT EACH OTHER OR SOMETHING!"
Hahaha
No
It's not the idea of a group of an-caps publicizing ideas that's crazy. It's the support for a candidate who is running for a government position that makes it a tad bit nonsensical.
He could be running with the objective of reducing government power? Rothbard supported the Libertarian Party.
But That was an individual supporting a minimal government platform, not a group of anarchists supporting a canidate
Yeah, never mind.
Good night my fellow Libertatens! Good debate [nation=short]Endralia[/nation]! And I hope to have good election tomorrow!
Yes good luck and good night.
Remember all to TG me your votes for the Board tomorrow.
You or pevvania?
Me
I might aswell make it known now..
I am endorsing Humpheria for the board. Not because of the party affiliation, but because of his ideals. Yes, I fiercely debated with him and ISA over the constitution reform and voted nay on the proposal.. BUT he admitted his mistake and made up for it in every single way possible. With respect to his opponent, Humpheria is the only candidate that wishes to uphold the traditional values of the region and liberate regions from statist leaders, no matter how big or small. Humpheria has proven to me time and time again that he is a good leader, and in fact, had my vote to become chairman of the board.
Endralia, do not take this as a personal hit. I can really respect the fact that you have stepped up to the plate, especially against such a powerful opponent. (I say this because he was endorsed by President Pev) I just simply do not agree with all of your new ideas. However, taking an open minded approach.. if you win I look forward to working with you provided I do not lose my seat.
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I may be a newcomer somewhat, but I know that my party, the RLP, is the right choice for this region. Vote for a stronger, libertarian, reagonier(adjective I invented) and overall just a far better Libertatem. I have seen good elections and bad. During my time as head of The Federal Islands 2nd Gen I signed us into the REATO treaty. I attempted to create a good environment, but many of the nations there were not impressively active. Little legislation was passed with less than 10 nations being constantly active. It wasn't until recently when the original founder returned from being CTE'd. Regional activity spurred and in spite of a recent election loss, I sought out a region of great size and prosperity. Libertatem. I know that with the great people in this region we can do so much. You can't go more than an hour without seeing somebody post something on the RMB, which is awesome. I may not know many of you all that well, but I assure you I am very qualified and ready to serve the needs of the people here in Libertatem. Vote RLP.
My thoughts exactly
What i don't understand is how their objectives can be applied to the game. I haven't seen them propose the abolition of our governmental institutions or abolish the military. In fact, Endralia wants to expand the government and intensify bureaucracy. Even if the party is purely for ideologues, why can't its members just join the Libertarian Party, which has quite a few anarchists?
I too appreciate Endralia taking a stab at this, but I disagree with pretty much all of his ideas. Taking on The Black Riders would be a gruelling exercise in futility. Even for all their power, they are more of a loosely organised coalition of raiders rather than a coordinated army. They have attacked many of our allies and satellites, like Grenada, but they've done the same to the communists. The Riders are not an enemy, but a tool to be used.
I also dislike his other proposals. We do not need any more expansion of the state, especially not for needless bureaucracy. The idea of a ten-nation senate would be a tedious addition to our political system that would spurn inefficiency and encourage inactivity. The reason the all-nation House was made into an opt-in system was because most nations didn't bother to participate.
Might i take a moment to address the voters..
PLEASE take the time to examine each candidate carefully. Read the RMB history, research the candidates history. All it takes is a few clicks! Do not just vote for whomever! Your choice will affect the region as a whole. Thank you all who are participating, and good luck to all the candidates.
As a pseudo-socialist, I do have to sit back at giggle at the hypocrisy/logical fallacy that goes on around here sometimes...
Anarchists running for office? *giggles*
It's almost as funny as making everyone equally poor.
(Only poking fun Pax :))
What is the world coming to where I have to agree with the dangheckin pseudo-socialist
I think "dangheckin" is my new favorite adjective.
[B]BOARD ELECTIONS ARE UPON US![/U]
It's time to elect the new Board! Below is a list of candidates for each Seat. You must vote for ONE candidate per Seat. Candidates without opposition will be guaranteed reelection.
SEND ALL YOUR VOTES TO [NATION=SHORT]THE LONE STAR[/NATION], NOT ME.
Voting will last for three full days, with results being announced on Saturday. If you have any questionsns ask The Lone Star or Humpheria.
The candidates:
1st seat: [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] RLP
2nd seat: [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation], RLP[/B] [nation=short]Endralia[/nation], ACP
3rd seat: [nation=short]Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes[/nation], RLP [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation], LOP (Replacing [nation=short]Islands[/nation])
4th seat: [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation], ACP
5th seat: [nation=short]The Liberty Front[/nation], RLP [nation=short]Zarden[/nation], ACP (Replacing [nation=short]Abaretta[/nation])
Remember to vote RLP this election! Let's take four of the five! And have fun in this election!
Thank you Libertatem for allowing me to remain first seat on the board unopposed. I encourage you to vote and make your voice be heard.This multi-partisan election there is surely going to be interesting.
Just a final election thought-
We have to ask about the viability of the house of representatives
Does it give the nations within it more power in the region?
(1) If it does, great, but they are not elected. This is an issue if uber-fascists just come in without the support of the population.
(2) If it does not then it is sort of useless don't you think?
(3) If it is just a sort of working list of active members I have no problem with it.
About the bureaucracy thing. I don't think a increased number of representatives precipitate more bureaucracy, and a government with more people is not a bigger government, necessarily. You seem to be attacking this almost from a conservative view that less people make decisions quicker, which was a sort of talking point for Mussolini. I think the integrity of our government is more important than the efficiency of it, I think the relatively small size (i. e. less laws and decisions) will do away with the bulk of inefficiency. As for encouraging inactivity, I think it would increase activity if people felt they had a better shot at winning. Remember this region will increase in size, and we need to keep up political participation in that event. Once we have like 200 nations a five-person board would look a bit too small, people thinking only the establishment has power.
What your not getting here is that it's not actually the number of people participating, its that your quite literally moving to take the power out of the hands of the people. Absolutely anyone can infact join the house, fascists and communists included yes. Anyone can voice their opinion. Your method will bring on micromanagement and help to destroy liberty.
No libertarianism does not have to mean conservatives, but Libertarianism by definition is a political practice that holds liberty as the most valuable asset. A big government would have a hard time saying that it holds personal liberties as it's priority, especially when it means to restrict just who can and cannot join the government.
Ah, but it is not in fact the government that would be taking power out of the hands of the people, but the government giving citizens choice on all elected positions. I think that this is different than banning a political party. All people should be allowed to run to join the government, but do you not think that any government, however small and unimportant, should be elected by the people?
Second, the lack of an election actually delegitimizes the house as a political authority. Even if only a small amount ran, and they were voted for, they would have the confidence of the citizens. An elected house would make it a legitimate, important office that members in this region could be a part of.
Third, the destruction of liberty. I don't really understand this. The house already exist so I'm not really making the government any larger I'm just proposing to reform it. I think more would run for an elected office than one that is not elected. I would also be open to abolishing the house, because an unelected body is the very definition of an inefficient bureaucracy.
There is my pitch for reform or termination.
And just as a side note, one of the members of our house is a cabinet member in another region?
And what is a zombie apocalypse in this game?
Trust me, from experience I know, don't try to fix what has been working for a year.
More power to them.
It's a thing that they do every now and then. You haven't been in the game long enough to figure that out, but you've been in long enough to run for public office? I feel like the voters should be aware of this.
1. By electing represenatives, your not giving the people any power. Your letting them choose who they want to tell them what to do. The house holds a good amount power yes.. but through checks and balances that the house has to go through (a majority vote) because of the constitution, some hostile take over is not likely. Not to mention, as a region, we are not fools. We would certainly not let that happen. Your calling yourself an AnCap, yet you support more elected officials?
2. However, by allowing any nation to participate in the house, we can actually ensure that the people of Libertatem are getting exactly what they want. If i were too support any kind of reform it would simply be a small pre-requisite on joining the house. Maybe you have to be here at least a month? Still, that's against my traditional viewpoints.
3. Maybe i misunderstood this one myself, i thought you had meant to prevent fascists and communists from being a part of our region.
A halloween event.
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Lol.. that actually made me laugh a little.. with a good intention i promise Humpheria :)
That was meant for people who remembered. That is why I think that I am a better candidate for this office, I have learned much, whereas my opponent hasn't been playing long enough to find out about zombies. Really Libertatem, really?
As much as Endralia there is ACP, I'm inclined to agree with this.
Hey, lookitthat, support for the guy in the party that isn't the one guy's own.
Experience and track record, really, seem to be the most important things in these elections. Why not pick the most experienced and ones with the best track record? I mean, it only makes sense.
In other words, Humpheria is experienced, and as much as I'd like to support Endralia in the battle for second due to identical party affiliation, I find myself unable to do this. Besides the fact that I've picked up contradictory vibes from End regarding party values and personal values. Totally ignoring the fact that we have Anarchists running for office, which, in fact, I am not entirely (that is, anarchist), but would affiliate closer to the ACP than the others.
So, yeah, there's that.
The Anti-Corporatist Party does not have any nations running for office.
Yet.
Oh, darn, that's ACP?
Well, you know what I mean, the AnCaps.
Does the ACP have any nations, like, period?
I'm curious... would it be against the rules for Lone Star to give us updates on who's leading the race from time to time?
I was thinking that also.
I can if you want, but people might change their votes?
Humpheria, regarding I was lucky to be given a second chance' - I would never have replaced you merely for pushing a policy I opposed. You are the Chairman of the Board, meaning you act not only as my chief advisor but also as a representative of Libertatem. ISA was a different story. He was a member of my cabinet, who I recruited to aid me in spearheading my domestic policy goals. He didn't aid me at all, instead he hindered me and publicly attacked me. As much as I respect him on a personal level, his political rebellion (combined with the fact that the new 'constitution' was a very poorly written document) meant that I dismissed him on the grounds of both his disloyalty and his job performance.
Not sure, I guess we can leave the decision to the masses so to speak.. I'm okay with it if everyone else is.
Below are the progress of the elections.
1st seat: Muh Roads RLP - SECURED
2nd seat: Humpheria, RLP (6) / Endralia, ACP (3)
3rd seat: Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes, RLP (7) / Alchandria, LOP (2) (Replacing Islands)
4th seat: Miencraft, ACP - SECURED
5th seat: The Liberty Front, RLP (4) / Zarden, ACP (5) (Replacing Abaretta)
I honestly can't believe there are so many anarchists running for the government... I mean, I don't care, but WHOA. It was started overnight and Zarden is already taking the lead for the Fifth Seat. It looks like the RLP has finally met a challenger.
Wow I didnt think we stood a chance.
Oh wow, look how popular I am!
It has me. And the real ACP is the Anarcho-Capitalist Party; my party's designation should be AnCP.
You should have ran for something
Party politics in this region is indeed perplexing. The RLP is reminiscent of the Federalists, or at least it reminds me loosely of such, to me. I wonder who will emerge as the parallel to the Democratic Republicans.
Didn't they want a strong government? I don't see how well that would pair to the RLP..
Infact, one of the opposing party members seems to want to make the government bigger and more complicated.
Oh, I will.
The Anti-Corporatist Party, or Antico, or AnCP, or Sheogorath, is dedicated to fair business practice and making sure the government doesn't touch it. Doesn't this sound like the party YOU want to stand up for, Libertatem citizens? Join today!
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True we are getting a couple seats most likely. And out of interest, how many are voting? I mean we have like 100 nations and I am think like nine or ten voted.
"I am think"
Im curious CI, does the anti-fascist relations part of your party only relate to restricting relations with regions or nations aswell? What i mean to say, is your party going to attempt to remove potential fascist nations from joining this region?
Welcome to Libertatem!
haha... I think this is true with most regions.
Speaking of the Dem-Reps, what do you guys think of Thomas Jefferson? As a President I think he's pretty overrated. It seems like the only things he did in eight years were cripple foreign trade and secure the Louisiana Purchase.
The Anti-Corporatist Party is ideologically opposed to fascism. While we will not haze any fascist nation within the region, we encourage the regional government to avoid any and all relations with statist, fascist, socialist, or otherwise corporatist regions.
Sounds about right.
Has anyone noticed how America killed somewhere between 50-100 million native americans, yet the swastika is banned but the US flag isn't?
I am not anti- American, just anti american government.
I enjoy his writings, both before and after his terms, but he was a sell out while in office and was by no means the proper executive for the job needed
The federal government has indeed reached unprecedented levels of cruelty throughout its short and state-censored history. The American people must take the reigns and set it right, but it has defended itself from morality and seeks to preserve its own corruption.
Pesky bureaucrats, tear down this wall!
*reins
Goshdarn homonyms.
Citizens of Libertatem!
We are in the middle of an election and the latest polls numbers have Reaganist Libertarian Party candidates up, but there is still a small margin of majority. I urge you, fulfill your duty as a citizen and VOTE! Vote for who ever you see fit (R), whether it be (L) the RLP, or (P) the ACP. (BTDUBS-Subliminal Messaging) When it comes down to it, in all seriousness, as your Chairman, not candidate, I urge you to vote, it is not your right, but your civil duty. So, continue to be active, continue to vote, and God Bless Libertatem.
-Humpheria RLP
Chairman of the Board
Candidate to the Second Seat of the Board
I question the validity of these claims. Even several million is a bit of a stretch, considering the relatively small and sparse native population. The word 'kill' is also open to interpretation.
To some, the Star-Spangled Banner represents tyranny and statism. But to me and millions others it means liberty. It may have strayed from being the world's freest nation, but it's culture, values and integrity alone make it the greatest nation on Earth.
Citation needed
That's cold, guys. I thought the repression of Native American culture would have struck at your hearts at least a little bit.
About Jefferson, I think he was better that King George the 3rd(Thats not saying much), but thats about it.
I agree that America totally rocks, but those claims are completely valid
"There were between 50 - 100 million indigenous people in north america, pre-contact. by 1890 there were only 250,000 natives in usa alone. in all of north america 95% of the native population was killed."
"Estimates of the pre-Columbian population vary, from a minimum of 50 million to a maximum of 100 million"
Andrew Jackson, alongside being a crazy motherf*cker who beat the living sh*t out of people with a wooden stick, was pretty well known to absolutely hate indians.
What is the progress of the election at the moment?
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