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Humpheria wrote:So what does everyone do for a real life profession?

[spoiler]Part time stock organizer.[/spoiler]

My party platform

1. Expand campaign to get information out to more people so we can field a larger region capable of taking on more communistic forces

2. Adhere to stringent free market economics and Libertarian social policies(no surprise.)

3. try to breath some fresh blood into the system as a new mind capable of being melded into what is best for all people of the region.

4. Expand our war on Communism and Despotism and push the call of freedom to those regions being oppressed by said groups.

5. Attempt to be a middle man on issues that divide our region from other regions with like ideologies.

6.Attempt to make a name for myself and my party mates by bringing Libertatem back to its former glory and fix some of the issues that the older members speak of.(i.e used to be more, not so split on issues, more activity.)

We must all remember that Altruism is the sword of tyranny and Communism is tyrannies shield. We are the protectors of Capitalism, the few who are willing to deal with the true evils of the world.

Humpheria wrote:Oh really? What rank and battalion are you?

Haven't been assigned yet, Im taking college courses in HS. i am going to basic this summer haha. I'm 17

But I guess there aren't alot of young Capitalists anymore

Renegalis wrote:Haven't been assigned yet, Im taking college courses in HS. i am going to basic this summer haha. I'm 17

Ah, you don't do that yet, that's what you want to do. My bad.

Humpheria wrote:Ah, you don't do that yet, that's what you want to do. My bad.

Yeah sorry was unclear

Humpheria wrote:So what does everyone do for a real life profession?

I have no Job. Getting one either at 17...or College-ish.

Renegalis wrote:But I guess there aren't alot of young Capitalists anymore

Yet if they had what they wanted they'd be stuck with flip phones.

To be fair right now I work at a Shaw's lol. but i figured Humph wanted full time not part

This region has given me a home and I have nothing but the utmost respect for my fellow tatemites I would be honored to serve your interests on the board's third seat. Thank you all.

Humpheria wrote:So what does everyone do for a real life profession?

Aerospace Engineer... Yes, you have the chance to elect a real-life rocket scientist to Board Seat #3!

:)

[nation=short]South Minerva[/nation]

4 hours ago

Funny how, just like International Socialists, I haven't heard anything but mumbles about our recent capture of CAPS. xD

Yet the statists are still trying to hold Benevolent Capitalism over our heads like it was a big deal. :rofl: BeneCap was dead even before the raid. It's been dead since TBR or something raided it back in 2012.

No coherent liberation attempts, no infiltrations to attempt to get the password, nothing. xD

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I thought I'd respond to Minerva's nervous twisting of facts.

1 - No one cared about International Socialists, it was a bunch of Cliffites/Trots and anticommunists, personally I was banned from that region. No one lifted a finger to remove you from it, either because no one noticed or cared enough to bother. Frankly if you're going to wipe out "communist" regions keep working on the Cliffites/Trots, no one's going to miss them, not you and certainly not us.

2 - The best part of NS is that you can tell when someone's not telling the truth, just by checking the RMB and regional history. Your claims about Benevolent Capitalism aren't even mildly entertaining when considering Benevolent Capitalism was only a few weeks old in 2012 and had a functioning (active RMB) community right up until the last socialist revolutionary left, 139 days ago - all the way back through its history, the RMB is active.

That last fact means it was a big deal - and what made it an even bigger deal was the floundering founder's attempt to remove the revolutionaries, only to come back the next day and see them still in political power.

3 - By the time CAPS was invaded it served its purpose, it was a dead region about to be tombstoned for safety, so you won a tombstone, don't celebrate too hard.

You seem to think it's fine to waltz into enemy territory to make vague "official statements" like last week so I just thought I'd bring a little reality check back to fantasy land over here.

Revolutionary regards.

Let's just end the war on communism.

Looks like a certain autocrat is infatuated with you, Minerva... Her favorite things are military parades, famine, and long walks through open-air prison camps.

Funkytopia wrote:Aerospace Engineer... Yes, you have the chance to elect a real-life rocket scientist to Board Seat #3!

:)

I'm the guy who fixes engineering mistakes. :p

I'm a mechanic/automotive technician. Whatever you want to call it.

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Muh Roads wrote:I'm the guy who fixes engineering mistakes. :p

I'm a mechanic/automotive technician. Whatever you want to call it.

Haha! I agree- way too many engineers are graduating in the US without ever having worked with their hands.

One of my buddies works in a machine shop and some greenhorn engineering grad gave him a rectangular piece of aluminum stock and told him he needed it to be machined into a sphere. My buddy asked why hadn't he just bought a round bearing instead- the kid hadn't thought of it!

North Korea: Gizoogle edition:

http://www.gizoogle.net/xfer.php?link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea&sa=U&ei=9DNoVNDdDNDKaNLWgOgE&ved=0CB0QFjAD&usg=AFQjCNFYq0mG00urViyCFxAkzY3J-2P44g

Funkytopia wrote:Haha! I agree- way too many engineers are graduating in the US without ever having worked with their hands.

One of my buddies works in a machine shop and some greenhorn engineering grad gave him a rectangular piece of aluminum stock and told him he needed it to be machined into a sphere. My buddy asked why hadn't he just bought a round bearing instead- the kid hadn't thought of it!

Oh lord. I used to work with Delphi, we had many many mechanical engineering interns who did not have the slightest clue as to what 80/20 bar stock was, nor how to build anything out of it. We even had one poor kid who asked for a "quick 10 minute instructional" on how to use a power drill... oh well, gotta build them up somehow.

State Socialism wrote:[nation=short]South Minerva[/nation]

4 hours ago

Funny how, just like International Socialists, I haven't heard anything but mumbles about our recent capture of CAPS. xD

Yet the statists are still trying to hold Benevolent Capitalism over our heads like it was a big deal. :rofl: BeneCap was dead even before the raid. It's been dead since TBR or something raided it back in 2012.

No coherent liberation attempts, no infiltrations to attempt to get the password, nothing. xD

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I thought I'd respond to Minerva's nervous twisting of facts.

1 - No one cared about International Socialists, it was a bunch of Cliffites/Trots and anticommunists, personally I was banned from that region. No one lifted a finger to remove you from it, either because no one noticed or cared enough to bother. Frankly if you're going to wipe out "communist" regions keep working on the Cliffites/Trots, no one's going to miss them, not you and certainly not us.

2 - The best part of NS is that you can tell when someone's not telling the truth, just by checking the RMB and regional history. Your claims about Benevolent Capitalism aren't even mildly entertaining when considering Benevolent Capitalism was only a few weeks old in 2012 and had a functioning (active RMB) community right up until the last socialist revolutionary left, 139 days ago - all the way back through its history, the RMB is active.

That last fact means it was a big deal - and what made it an even bigger deal was the floundering founder's attempt to remove the revolutionaries, only to come back the next day and see them still in political power.

3 - By the time CAPS was invaded it served its purpose, it was a dead region about to be tombstoned for safety, so you won a tombstone, don't celebrate too hard.

You seem to think it's fine to waltz into enemy territory to make vague "official statements" like last week so I just thought I'd bring a little reality check back to fantasy land over here.

Revolutionary regards.

No one cares about them? Such leftist solidarity you have! I think I'll do so, as long as they continue to ally with your ilk.

BeneCap is full of Macosky's puppets and a few close friends. By the time you struck most of them had already left, including the delegate Shadowdragons. Around 139 days is when the region fell apart - right before it was raided by TBR, which wouldn't have happened if the delegate was still on. Notice how the activity decreased from a few posts per day to only a couple of posts every few days.

I sort of knew Shadowdragons from the forums. Disappeared around March for some reason. Ditto.

Right. I guess Proletaire was lying then when he spammed "Losing CAPS would be a great defeat for the left?" Certainly the tombstone meant something? Anyway it was a show of force nonetheless. And a good one once we managed to bring in more endorsements than the nutzis raiding ICU.

Source? I do not recall doing that.

Funkytopia wrote:Looks like a certain autocrat is infatuated with you, Minerva... Her favorite things are military parades, famine, and long walks through open-air prison camps.

I'm flattered.

Korean socialists really enjoy the ability to openly critique government systems, yet, if they were actually in NK.. well they'd be goners. Sure you could scoff at capitalism there, but at the same time, most NK citizens participate in the black market to purchase cell phones and movies. By most popular demand AND the videos that carry the worst penalty for being caught with... you guessed it.. western flicks. So sorry you cannot watch Flubber & Toy Story because of the western ideals within.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:No one cares about them? Such leftist solidarity you have! I think I'll do so, as long as they continue to ally with your ilk.

BeneCap is full of Macosky's puppets and a few close friends. By the time you struck most of them had already left, including the delegate Shadowdragons. Around 139 days is when the region fell apart - right before it was raided by TBR, which wouldn't have happened if the delegate was still on. Notice how the activity decreased from a few posts per day to only a couple of posts every few days.

I sort of knew Shadowdragons from the forums. Disappeared around March for some reason. Ditto.

Right. I guess Proletaire was lying then when he spammed "Losing CAPS would be a great defeat for the left?" Certainly the tombstone meant something? Anyway it was a show of force nonetheless. And a good one once we managed to bring in more endorsements than the nutzis raiding ICU.

Source? I do not recall doing that.

You're pretty much spot-on here. BenCap had been inactive for months before NK came, and before we arrived to guard the region. This is evident by a simple examination of the RMB before 140 days ago. They'd stopped contributing to REATO and had become a dead region. The commies like to toot their own horn about the region "never recovering" from their assault. Well, there was nothing to recover. It was a dead region and trying to claim credit for making it like this is at the height of intellectual dishonesty.

There was a mad scramble from all corners of the left to organise a liberation of CAPS. I suppose V Ming deserves credit for recognising the futility of their attempts early on rather than risking her reputation and supporting the ill-fated bids to save it. CAPS was indeed a great defeat for the left, which really can't be downplayed by anyone. If our destruction of it was an insignificant feat, they would have publicly said so. But as you said, there hasn't been a word out of the left.

I got an issue where I c poo uld privitize the legislature. Should I do it?

Funkytopia wrote:Looks like a certain autocrat is infatuated with you, Minerva... Her favorite things are military parades, famine, and long walks through open-air prison camps.

Lucky.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I got an issue where I c poo uld privitize the legislature. Should I do it?

No-Yes...Maybe?

What are the options?

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=320316

My heart goes out to Peter (Abdul Rahman) Kassig, a Hoosier, who was executed by ISIS.

:( Humpy, why would you associate yourself with Eric Holder?

Right-Winged Nation wrote::( Humpy, why would you associate yourself with Eric Holder?

That is the closest the likes of Eric Holder will get to recognition.

Jordsindia wrote:That is the closest the likes of Eric Holder will get to recognition.

Makes me sad that his name is with is Humpy

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Makes me sad that his name is with is Humpy

I know. Race-baiting hacks like him don't deserve such an honor.

So what Theory of Foreign Affairs do y'all follow?

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=320316

I myself am a Constructivist.

It was more for my appointment than his departure.

"I see trees of green, red roses too..."

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The State Of Deseret wrote:So what Theory of Foreign Affairs do y'all follow?

Mainly liberalism tempered by realism. I subscribe to both democratic and commercial peace theory, as well as support of democratic union such as the EU, which makes me a liberal. However, I also recognize that even good organizations like the EU have serious flaws. Likewise, we shouldn't turn away potential partners simply because they don't meet our standards of freedom and democracy.

Funkytopia wrote:Mainly liberalism tempered by realism. I subscribe to both democratic and commercial peace theory, as well as support of democratic union such as the EU, which makes me a liberal. However, I also recognize that even good organizations like the EU have serious flaws. Likewise, we shouldn't turn away potential partners simply because they don't meet our standards of freedom and democracy.

Do you support the war on Communism?

The State Of Deseret wrote:Do you support the war on Communism?

He supports the "War for Liberty".

Humpheria wrote:He supports the "War for Liberty".

The heck is that?

War on Communism

War on Tyranny

Now War for Liberty?

The State Of Deseret wrote:The heck is that?

War on Communism

War on Tyranny

Now War for Liberty?

I agree that it looks better, the reason for the name, but I don't feel like it is true to the cause.

Humpheria wrote:I agree that it looks better, the reason for the name, but I don't feel like it is true to the cause.

Well it is a War for Liberty. We aren't fighting against an ideology but instead fighting to spread liberty.

It is a fitting name for our conflict. I dislike the war but at least it's now names more properly.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Well it is a War for Liberty. We aren't fighting against an ideology but instead fighting to spread liberty.

It is a fitting name for our conflict. I dislike the war but at least it's now names more properly.

We are fighting against an ideology. Read the constitution.

That is not the official name. The administration has declined to adopt the term.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Do you support the war on Communism?

I oppose totalitarian / statist forms of government. In particular, communism (as exemplified by the USSR, pre-1980's China, NK, ...) and fascism (Nazi Germany, Mussolini-era Italy, Francoist Spain).

While I'm in favor of mostly hands-off capitalism, here's nothing wrong with a country simply being to the left of the US. France, Sweden, and India are good examples of states that have traditionally been economically left-wing, but have generally respected human rights and been good neighbors.

I prefer the "War for Liberty" or "War on Tyranny," since they both adequately describe our foreign policy, simply because we don't target only communists. Considering we just helped raid two fascist regions, it's clear we aren't just fighting commies, as much as the Norks/DK crowd would like to ignore that.

Humpheria wrote:We are fighting against an ideology. Read the constitution.

That is not the official name. The administration has declined to adopt the term.

We shouldn't be fighting Communism. We should if we must take arms and fight Fight all Authoritarianism. In all varients.

The State Of Deseret wrote:We shouldn't be fighting Communism. We should if we must take arms and fight Fight all Authoritarianism. In all varients.

There's a region for that.

The State Of Deseret wrote:We shouldn't be fighting Communism. We should if we must take arms and fight Fight all Authoritarianism. In all varients.

Read the Constitution, or amend it.

Humpheria wrote:Read the Constitution, or amend it.

Bah. Amend it? You think I have the power? Why bother. I don't have the power. This is just a Majority ran operation. I don't amend anything. I coild try but it's up to the board...and I doubt I cpuld convince the board to repeal article 8.

I agree with the name change. War for liberty looks better and makes more sense.

...unless I replaced it.

I would prefer a repeal to this endless war but I could be happy with just a name change.

The administration opposes the name change and the War on Communism is structured in the Constitution. The only way to change that is to change the Constitution. I welcome anyone to try.

On a different, but related, topic...

Should we start looking toward expanding REATO? If so, which regions would be good candidates for either member or observer status?

We should have an open vote on keeping the name " war on communism " or replacing it by " war for liberty " or any other adequate proposal.

Personally, I'm non-interventionist and pro-war only in case of revealed foreign threat.

Fine then.

I'll have an repealment/amendment offered up by Saturday.

If that fails then a week aftet it fails I'll offer up a different amendment to expand the war.

Funkytopia wrote:On a different, but related, topic...

Should we start looking toward expanding REATO? If so, which regions would be good candidates for either member or observer status?

I think that Minerva is Command at REATO. Libertatem no longer has direct control over it.

Subsection Subsection II

This is extended to five days (120 hours) for attaining the necessary 1/3 needed to pass a constitutional amendment.

Yup, it's pretty hard to change the constitution.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Subsection Subsection II

This is extended to five days (120 hours) for attaining the necessary 1/3 needed to pass a constitutional amendment.

Yup, it's pretty hard to change the constitution.

1/3

Out of a five member board?

Or 1/3 of all the government?

The State Of Deseret wrote:1/3

Out of a five member board?

Or 1/3 of all the government?

Of all citizens

But most citizens are inactive

Humpheria wrote:Of all citizens

Holy....ummm...

Shoot. Okay. I better...goodness. I feel exhilarated. I might now have a chnace.

Isn't it a good proof that the Constitution should be renovated ?

We barely reach 20 votes during elections. In this situation, it means that the Constitution will never be changed, no matter how many active people are in favor of the modification.

The Amarican Empire wrote:But most citizens are inactive

I said you could amend. I didn't say that I would coddle your endless excuses.

At least we should organize a referendum on the war's name, even we can't change the constitution, in order to have a first idea of the public opinion.

Citizens from the list?

29.

Citizens I know are Active/Semi active?

13-16.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:At least we should organize a referendum on the war's name, even we can't change the constitution, in order to have a first idea of the public opinion.

And what would a referendum prove to accomplish other than further division? You aren't willing to try to amend the constitution. A referendum does not bind the administration to change the name. It would just make people more heated.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:At least we should organize a referendum on the war's name, even we can't change the constitution, in order to have a first idea of the public opinion.

What would that do? It's a referendum. Not legislation. We need to amend the constitution. And it is possible.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Citizens from the list?

29.

Citizens I know are Active/Semi active?

13-16.

To pass an Amendment to the Constitution you need 9-10 people...

And I don't know if non-active citizens are truly non active or if they jusy don't RMB post.

10 people would be required to pass an amendment. Following a ten people support base, following the checks and balances system, the Board would vote on it with 3 aff. votes passing it. It would then go to the President to approve or veto.

Humpheria wrote:10 people would be required to pass an amendment. Following a ten people support base, following the checks and balances system, the Board would vote on it with 3 aff. votes passing it. It would then go to the President to approve or veto.

And a turn over system if the president vetoed?

Humpheria wrote:And what would a referendum prove to accomplish other than further division? You aren't willing to try to amend the constitution. A referendum does not bind the administration to change the name. It would just make people more heated.

I expected that in 2014, especially in this region, we would be able to have a quiet and healthy debate.

Democracy is division and after all, it's just about renaming or not the war on communism.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:I expected that in 2014, especially in this region, we would be able to have a quiet and healthy debate.

Democracy is division and after all, it's just about renaming or not the war on communism.

Need I remind you of the storm surrounding the last time we tried to change something?

The State Of Deseret wrote:To pass an Amendment to the Constitution you need 9-10 people...

So there are 29 citizens ? In this case a constitutional amendment would be possible.

And it is totally possible to have quiet and healthy debate.

Sometimes we have loud, healthy debates.

Sometimes there's just too strong an opinion on one side to argue.

You can try, but I bet it won't happen.

Miencraft wrote:Need I remind you of the storm surrounding the last time we tried to change something?

Lol no.

The State Of Deseret wrote:And a turn over system if the president vetoed?

That is not outlined in our laws. If it happened while I was AG, I would rule in favor an overturning through either 2/3 of the citizens or unanimous Board vote.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:So there are 29 citizens ? In this case a constitutional amendment would be possible.

Round to ten.

Humpheria wrote:That is not outlined in our laws. If it happened while I was AG, I would rule in favor an overturning through either 2/3 of the citizens or unanimous Board vote.

We should outline that.

Let's outline that.

Humpheria wrote:That is not outlined in our laws. If it happened while I was AG, I would rule in favor an overturning through either 2/3 of the citizens or unanimous Board vote.

So unless the AG says otherwise the president has final say?

I propose we hold a referendum that would simply affirm the general consensus of the region and formally authorize military action against all statists.

Something along the lines of this:

- We continue to pursue the War in the context of fighting against totalitarian communism.

- We also acknowledge the regional consensus is to stand against tyranny in all its forms, including right-wing authoritarianism.

- Therefore, Liberatem hereby declares war on all forms of government that fail to respect basic human rights, follow the rule of law, and promote violence against the innocent.

Also, I should mention that while the War is defined as being against communism in the constitution, nothing explicitly says that we must always refer to it as "The War on Communism."

In fact, since the Board is empowered to declare war there's no reason why the above resolution couldn't be passed by the Board alone.

Funkytopia wrote:In fact, since the Board is empowered to declare war there's no reason why the above resolution couldn't be passed by the Board alone.

War has already been declared on the previously stated ideologies. What is being discussed is the name, not the action. The Board has already declared war, at this point, the name is the object of constitutional law.

The State Of Deseret wrote:So unless the AG says otherwise the president has final say?

No, there would be some recourse. That is just the recourse that I would take as there is no course of action after a veto.

Humpheria wrote:No, there would be some recourse. That is just the recourse that I would take as there is no course of action after a veto.

If there is no course of action then it can easily end with the Veto though...

The State Of Deseret wrote:If there is no course of action then it can easily end with the Veto though...

So just try it again differently if it just dies?

Miencraft wrote:So just try it again differently if it just dies?

Then what another veto?

I think we can resolve the veto issue now:

Mr. President, would you veto such an amendment if it got broad support from both the House and the Board?

Funkytopia wrote:I think we can resolve the veto issue now:

Mr. President, would you veto such an amendment if it got broad support from both the House and the Board?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Nope.

Funkytopia wrote:I think we can resolve the veto issue now:

Mr. President, would you veto such an amendment if it got broad support from both the House and the Board?

My point is that this surely wouldn't be the last constitutional question. So the question extends past this issue. What is done if the President vetoes an amendment?

Humpheria wrote:My point is that this surely wouldn't be the last constitutional question. So the question extends past this issue. What is done if the President vetoes an amendment?

We need an actual plan. Or process.

A board vote added in.

Miencraft wrote:Short answer: No.

Long answer: Nope.

Tada! Problem resolved! :)

TTA, Amarican, and Yrellian, now get your 10 votes from the citizenry. If you can secure those and I'm elected to the board, you'll have my vote as well.

For the sake of not generating too much controversy, I suggest we hold off on an actual referendum until we confirm that there is the requisite support for an amendment.

Funkytopia wrote:Tada! Problem resolved! :)

TTA, Amarican, and Yrellian, now get your 10 votes from the citizenry. If you can secure those and I'm elected to the board, you'll have my vote as well.

For the sake of not generating too much controversy, I suggest we hold off on an actual referendum until we confirm that there is the requisite support for an amendment.

Not generating controversy?

You and me must not have met. Screw a referendum. I'm going straight into it.

Humpheria wrote:My point is that this surely wouldn't be the last constitutional question. So the question extends past this issue. What is done if the President vetoes an amendment?

I agree. I think a majority vote (20 citizens at the moment) from the House or a unanimous vote from the Board should be enough to override a veto in any case.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Not generating controversy?

You and me must not have met. Screw a referendum. I'm going straight into it.

How about in the interest of getting the damn thing passed?

Funkytopia wrote:I agree. I think a majority vote (20 citizens at the moment) from the House or a unanimous vote from the Board should be enough to override a veto in any case.

20?

I had 16 active citizens.

That'd be bs. Might as well not have a process.

I don't know. This amendment succeeding is as likely as the gop getting a repeal of the "affordable" care act past obama.

Funkytopia wrote:How about in the interest of getting the damn thing passed?

I'm not slowing this down for a dang referendum. I talked about doing this in August. I will not hold off for a public opinion poll.

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