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Region: Libertatem
NST, tell me about your thoughts on abortion.
Anarchism is impossible, States will not allow themselves to be reduced or abolished, and will likely not cooperate all at once.
I agree. I'm on Chatzy again.
@CI
Those people would either change their ways or find ways for the market to use their expertise, such as private security.
@Liberosia
It won't really take all, just a few big ones. But even then, when peaceful revolution is impossible, violent ones are inevitable.
@Pevvania
Abortion violates the natural right to life and the Non-Aggression Principle, key points of voluntaryism. Therefore, that person no long has her rights when aborting a child because she just murdered that child. Same with the doctor involved. The market will not condone murder, therefore people most likely will refuse to sell to her. Similar with drug users. Legalize drugs, yes, but then those users will have difficulty getting a job.
I have a feeling they'd much rather screw over society like the maladjusted individuals they are. There's almost nothing I detest more than a hardened criminal.
Then private security will actually be there for you, or your own guns will defend you. When seconds count in a robbery, the police are only minutes away. Or robbing you through taxation.
Indeed.
What if I just wanted to kill the criminal?
What about the people who can't afford private security? What about the poor who can barely afford to feed themselves?
A justice system based on profit cannot reasonably function. It is different than the productive market, since it involves force.
Ill stay here for some time. I do have one question NST, do have religion?
Welcome, Scheinfeld. If you don't mind me asking... are you a fascist?
Hey, Liberosia. The Minarchist Party and Christian Libertarian Party have combined to form the Reaganist Libertarian Party.
No, this nation is a progect from my school. The constitution was an asignment. Nationstates is also bias on issues. I am a modern whig if that clears things up
Good, just checking :P I wish my school had given me a project on NationStates. And yes, the issues system is completely stupid, because the decisions are ridiculously black or white and there is a clear bias towards the left. And the Whigs, eh? I gather you're pretty centrist, then.
I'm on chat.
Yes, America was built on compromise. That is where the Whigs meet.
What school do you go to? My school is The McCuan School of a Better Learning Method.
Guys: what are your thoughts on the Libertarian Party's issues? I think their foreign policy is absolutely ridiculous, and their drug policy is absurd, but they've got some amazing ideas about how to limit government. If I'd have known more about politics in 2012, I would have wanted Gary Johnson to win instead of Romney.
Johnson was a Democrat in both Republican's and Libertarian's clothing. The party could have chosen a much better candidate - if only Ron Paul had run with them.
I go to a Department of Defense Education Activity school
Idealism, how?
I mean how was he a Democrat?
He had a penchant for lying and an unsure outlook on politics in general, the true mark of a confused liberal
What's with limited government? What about no government.
Because, even when there is civalazation present and a society of traders, workers, and farmers. There will always be a form of government and that is human nature.
No government is the most oppressive government of all. Best to keep the infrastructure, particularly of militaries and civil servants, and nothing else.
Courts and protection.
Courts and protection indeed. For minarchy, for the individual, for free-market capitalism!
"Yeah, just that and courts and protection. Oh but to protect people we also need welfare! But that's it, because I believe in small government. But on the other hand, we need to add more than a few taxes to pay for it. And hey, while we're taxing people, why not use it to pay for 3'420'474 new regulations? Those protect people too! Ok but that's it. Actually, the economy isn't doing so well so we should bail out failing corporations to keep us afloat. Hey, I still believe in small government though because it's protecting people from job loss! Aww, will ya look at that? The debt has ballooned quite a bit. I think we need a good round is spending cu—hey, don't you think that our foreign neighbours could do with a fair bit of aid? They need it! It's not like they have their own militaries to defend themselves! Oh no, will ya look at that? Government has expanded quite a bit. It's now time for some serious—will ya look at that picture on my wall. It looks so lovely. I want the rest of the nation to see it, so whil citizens are sweltering in poverty and unemployment I think we should build a few thousand new art galleries! Back to the business of protecting people, there is a foreign terrorist threat which we must contain by making sure every civilian is under surveillance. That way, there is less crime and the baddies can't get my lovely, precious little voters! But speaking of voters, why do we need them anyway? Why do we need political parties? What I say is always right, so it should just be me in charge. We could also do with a nice little secret police force."
-How government can so very easily expand.
"Oh but to protect people we also need welfare!"
That's the part where the people say stop. Otherwise it snowballs.
Remember kids - if you give a mouse a cookie, it will ask for a ridiculously extensive and expensive bureaucratic agency.
I will say, I might be convinced of anarcho capitalism if ever I hear solid answers to a large majority of minarchist objections.
Speaking of minarchists, the Minarchist Party and Christian Libertarian Party have merged to form the RLP - Reaganist Libertarian Party.
You have a WA Delegate too you know
Snab! Wake up! Your nation has been asleep for nearly two days!
Ah, oh well. You have the "Party Factbook" anyway, Liberosia.
Welfare should be run by the church and the goodwill of people.
Time for a star wars marathon
@Scheinfeld
First, why come in here as "Reich's Imperial Republic". Second, government is not human nature. Human nature is self-owning primitivism. Stop appealing to nature to feed your false logic. Logical fallacies aren't cool. Anarcho-capitalism does not promote full natural existence. It promotes freedom how it is really. The absence of authority, to the most extent possible. Specifically Voluntaryism. Regular "privatize law" ancaps are crazy.
Reichs=empire its german. Why are you harrassing me for my name. I havnt done squat to you. Also im not bashing your governmental philosophy, but its quite imposible as someone will always try come out on top and that is human nature. So dont get your pannties in a wad when someone else has an opinion.
Why suport the LIBERTATEM EMPIRE with all these raids! Its humsn nature to want to be on top even if it means using force. If you hate America's freedom so much why dont you pack your rebellious butt and ship off to the land of Afhganistan where law doesnt exist. Or better yet, move to the Peoples Democratic Republic of North Korea, because America is just SO terrible!
Opinion. So, anything from this point forward where you call something "natural" is just an opinion? So it is not fact, therefore will not be taken seriously? Got it.
You are bashing my philosophy, so I am telling you why you are wrong. Voluntaryism is freedom. You obviously don't believe in freedom. Freedom is not something that is an opinion. It is a dictionary-defined fact as the absence of authority. Therefore, less authority equals more freedom.
And watch what you call impossible. You'd be surprised.
NST got pwn't
Your opinion is foolish, I am standing next to proven fact of over 5,000 years.
Mankind will always seek governance from the caves of ancient Africa to modern America. Wether it be religious, political or both government will always last!
"You were made to be ruled" - Loki
Haha. But realy government will always exist even if it is just one man leading his clan to an elected body to serve millions. Government will always exist due to the need of leadership. That is why anarchism will not work
The world needs leaders who don't want to be but easily can be. Easier said than done.
Now lets move away from the no government setting and focus on small government okay.
Snab, wake up. Your puppets ceased to exist again.
Snab? Snab?!? SNAAAAAAAAAB!!!
GAME OVER
I'm on chat.
I'd join you for a bit, but I don't really feel like digging through tons of posts to find the link. :3
Here it is: http://us11.chatzy.com/84081373772932
I think I have and idea on how to disarm the world of nukes without screwing everyone over. Take them to a highly guarded camp in the arctic tundra. Then use them to destroy meteorites headed for earth.
Targetting meteorites using nuclear missiles creates all sort of problems. Namely, break-up of the object into smaller rocks that hit other countries. I forgot the name of it, but there's this magnetically charged projectile that NASA are working on which is supposed to sort of draw meteorites away from Earth. That would be the best solution.
The small rocks would burn in the atmosphere.
No Scheinfeld. You don't belong here. You insult me by calling me "rebellious", as if that means anything. Any true libertarian in this region, from anarchist to moderate conservative, is a rebel in modern society. Second, F-ck you.
Third, America has little freedom. Do I have the freedom to smoke weed, marry who I want, keep my wages, use what currency I prefer, assemble peacefully without a 'warrant'? No. No I don't. If America was free, we'd have a minarchist government or no government. But we have neither. You say you like small government yet support the existing one rather than liberty by telling me, a man with an opinion, that I don't belong in your idiotic national collective? That by moving to another set of arbitrary lines with another violent monopoly that I will be more free? And then you pull the LEFTIST argument of "Move to Afghanistan or Somalia for a country with no laws!" Afghanistan has TONS OF LAWS!!! Rule by American soldiers, that is.
I have written a whole factbook on why, in anarchist principle, raids are just. Organized self-defense from statist tyranny.
And lastly, no, government will not always exist. Leadership can. But not government. I am an anti-statist. I don't believe in the destruction of all authority. A free market and no government is better than a government with a market monopoly. But you do not undestand. You have your statist head shoved sooooooo far up your own A$$ you can't understand anything past "What I define nature as is fact". Nothing, NOTHING about MODERN SOCIETY IS NATURAL. Get over it. I learned that the hard way.
America is not as much a land of freedom as opportunity. Opportunity is true freedom, as any capitalist would tell you.
You forgot that you can't have any gun you want either, oh how I would live for a machine gun, my family has about sixty rifles at least. One thing I don't get is that we're not allowed to have MG's, while the police force and the army has more than they could ever use, it just doesn't make sense (or maybe it does kinda) ;(
Anybody here seeing what's going down on Facebook? Looks to me like Zuckerberg and his minions are attacking conservative pages.
"Third, America has little freedom."
I say this is in the most respectful manner, but what a loada crap. America is the net freest nation in the world. NST, I challenge you to name a country free-er than America, one where the government is not a bloated morass, one where the people may buy and sell as they please, one where civil freedoms are completely unrestricted, one where democracy is a transparent, free ordeal. There is none matching that description. But America's the best the world has got. I've lived in various places around the world, and even though America isn't yet one of them, I can tell you that the rest of the world is hardly a minarchist paradise on the whole. Where there are strengths in a country, there are also weaknesses. Australia has a very open political system, but there are thousands upon thousands of oppressive regulations, laws and taxes. There's plenty of gay marriage and pot in Europe, but multiculturalism is enforced by the government and the continent is forced to comply with the decrees of corporatist bureaucrats. Canada is Canada.
My point is that America may be falling behind in some areas compared to other nations, but if you add everything up it's a clear winner. I don't know how many other nations you've been too, but I'm pretty well-travelled, and there are some so-called democratic countries out there that are real bureaucratic hell-holes.
Nato soldiers derp. What are your views on American troops? Also go ahead smoke weed go ahead buy a mg and while you are at it go shoot some kids at a school! Because you can in your phsyco world. You are the scum of the earth. You hate authority because you lack self control and the ability to listen. Your shananigans will get you NO WHERE! Government is the basis of human nature, gathering, and society and has been proven in the history of the world. You cannot even deny the fact, but you have Anarchy so far up your arse you dont even care! So screw off you hypocritical antisocial freshmen!
Did you guys hear something?
Wow. I sensed a little hostility there. Am I the only one?
Deal with it. I am sick of the crap. Hate to be frank but this aint Disney World where a million dreams are made
Stop advertising for Disney World, goshdarnit!
Where did you get the 'freshman' bit from?
Pevvania, I'm sorry but America is not the freest nation in the world (I believe heritage ranks us as 11th). We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, one of the world's largest federal governments, and a Regulatory State that can be compared to few others (even Europe is better than America on regulation, especially when it comes to executive agencies producing unilateral rules and regulations).
Our ideals (and some of our States) could be called exceptionally free, both personally and economically, but we fail to live up to these ideals by a long shot. By the way, Canada, for all its faults, is ranked higher on economic freedom by Heritage than the US.
Yeah, but Canada is just....Canada, man.
Nato soldiers derp. What are your views on American troops? Also go ahead smoke weed go ahead buy a mg and while you are at it go shoot some kids at a school! Because you can in your phsyco world. You are the scum of the earth. You hate authority because you lack self control and the ability to listen. Your shananigans will get you NO WHERE! Government is the basis of human nature, gathering, and society and has been proven in the history of the world. You cannot even deny the fact, but you have Anarchy so far up your arse you dont even care! So screw off you hypocritical antisocial freshmen!
Scheinfeld, you are welcome in this region, especially since you lean small government, but stop insulting our Anarcho-Capitalist members. They are the most extreme wing of an already small movement. Personally, I am dismayed at how factionalized the already tiny libertarian movement has become; minarchists, anarchists, voluntaryists, and all the rest. Insults will do absolutely NOTHING to reduce the size and scope of government and therefore the contraction of our liberty.
Also, while I am not an anarchist (yet), I must note that the State did not come before division of labor and technological innovations. The State came after that, shortly, under the pretense of keeping order/bandits who just wanted permanent power. The State has only recently come to be what could be called tolerable, although it has existed with such gross and abusive experiences like communism and fascism.
CI, Canada is more business friendly than America. True story...
...Old Sport.
What happened to you, Gatsby? You seem to be in quite a mood.
Post self-deleted by Liberosia.
Wow, they really did take away your...all of that for illegal recruitment? Fickle bunch; remind me not to cross them.
It happens.
Indeed.
The mods have an authority complex. They are like the shadow government.
Sorry Liberosa, just sick of being harrased for my point of view.
Scheinfeld, intellectual arguments from your opposition is not really harassment. You are in an extremely right wing region. We're so far right....well, you get the picture. In this region, you are only slightly center right. We're not like FFS which chills with socialists and so forth, or takes moderate stances on most stuff. We're pretty darn homogenous in that most of us have a right wing, libertarian, or conservative bent.
Centrist actualy
Well whatever, you get the picture.
There nothing wrong with hanging out with Socialists mate :-)
Cheers
Oh Zuid, you don't count.
Thx mate
I have done on a spot count in the ffs. To my knowledge there are at least 3 other socialists, so the vast majority is still 'conservative' or worse ;)
Hey all, Zuid is the equivalent of an IRS worker. You may proceed to mock.
Liberosia, while regulations are pretty lean here, government is very large in other sectors: there are subsidies galore, multiculturalism is government-enforced, there are so many state-run industries an American couldn't conceive of it and welfare... well, you know how Europe is. My father owns property in the US, and I know for a fact that rates there are a lot easier on him than in the UK or Australia.
Scheinfeld, that's completely inappropriate. Just because you disagree with NST that gives you no right to throw obscenities at him. I disagree on a lot of his beliefs, but I still give him respect, and so should you.
On chat. http://www.chatzy.com/84081373772932
Is there a significant difference between classical liberals and minarchists?
Not a significant difference, but they aren't terms used to describe the same thing.
It's frustrating how other anti-communist regions are either fascists or capitalist isolationist sissies -.- If anyone knows of a region as dedicated to fighting the Colour Red as we are, please let me know. I need more potential signatories to the REAGAN Treaty.
Perhaps I am a bit too late here for this...but I suggest we go the same way as was recommended for the libertarian movement many years ago, and that is to unite in the fight for freedom, and when we come to the crossroads, one can choose one's own way, be it minarchism or anarchism or whatever in between.
Welcome back, Snabagag. Your puppets recently ceased to exist.
Thanks. I'll get on that ASAP.
All fixed now.
Sorry for my inactivity. I just got back from a trip and am embarking on another one shortly. I'll get back to the good fight once I can. So..... August I hope.
Whew! That was a trip. Alrighty when do we start ransacking Progressive filth?
Lots of revival in activity lately. I'm starting to feel reassured.
Telz, I got a raid going on at the moment on a commie hive. TG me if you're interested, but I'll need something to assure me that you're trustworthy with sensitive information like that.
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