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The IRU, though, has shown some very impressive growth. It has a thriving community, which you should be proud of.

Fun fact: Eazy-E of the hip-hop group was a Republican that dined with the first President Bush at a fundraiser, and declared his support for him over his handling of the Gulf War.

Pevvania wrote:The IRU, though, has shown some very impressive growth. It has a thriving community, which you should be proud of.

I am indeed. Sometimes tensions are high - for instance, the latest mess with the allegations of voter fraud - but that doesn't diminish how I feel about my fellow Citizens there.

Same goes for the people here; no matter how frustrated or angry I get, I'm proud of you guys too. This was - is - my home region, and I'm impressed by how far Libertatem has come. My two main regions used to look a lot alike, but each have a distinctive identity now...and I'm glad to be a part of both.

I was excited when I came up with the idea of the Third REAGAN Treaty, but I guess my enthusiasm died when my proposal met gentle nodding and vigorous denial. I wonder what I'll do with that idea.

Pevvania wrote:Fun fact: Eazy-E of the hip-hop group was a Republican that dined with the first President Bush at a fundraiser, and declared his support for him over his handling of the Gulf War.

Hip-hop group NWA*, that is.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I am indeed. Sometimes tensions are high - for instance, the latest mess with the allegations of voter fraud - but that doesn't diminish how I feel about my fellow Citizens there.

Same goes for the people here; no matter how frustrated or angry I get, I'm proud of you guys too. This was - is - my home region, and I'm impressed by how far Libertatem has come. My two main regions used to look a lot alike, but each have a distinctive identity now...and I'm glad to be a part of both.

I was excited when I came up with the idea of the Third REAGAN Treaty, but I guess my enthusiasm died when my proposal met gentle nodding and vigorous denial. I wonder what I'll do with that idea.

It has some good ideas. I still like the idea of an interregional citizenship agreement, although making your case by mentioning the IRU was not the best idea.

Alright, folks: should I put my proposed amendments to Article VIII of the War on Communism on the floor?

Article VII

Rights

Section I

Subsection VII

Nations have a right to form and keep any form of government they so choose, as long as said government does not infringe upon the rights of other Libertatem nations [STRIKE]AND IS IN NO WAY ALLIED WITH THE FORCES OF COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM[/STRIKE]. The founder retains the power to make exceptions for this rule.

Article VIII

Anti-Communism

Subsection III

Citizens of Liberosia,

All forms of totalitarianism in our country have been abolished. The private sector makes a massive majority of our economy and we are thriving as a nation. However, there still exists nations dedicated to government power, and although the game of NationStates does not allow them to progress to their natural state of totalitarianism, we know from history that this ideology is the cause of much suffering and death. In this light, The Confederacy of Liberosia hereby declares war on communism. We will help any nation/region who wishes to pursue this war on communism by means of puppets, traditional warfare, and deception. This all in the name of a free people trying to pursue a free market. In case of invasion of our region, all radically leftist nations [STRIKE]WHO ARE WA DELEGATES[/STRIKE] be ejected and banned to [STRIKE]INSURE[/STRIKE]>ensure the security and stability of the region. [STRIKE]Nations only moderately leftist will be permitted to enter the region without fear of banishment. Because we wish to further this cause effectively, the capitalist nations will be forced to ally with the fascist nations. In this light, fascist nations will not be ejected from the region, but we maintain this region is inherently capitalist, not fascist. If a fascist nation comes to power, spams, or otherwise disrupts the stability of our region, he or she will be ejected and banned.[STRIKE] The Confederacy of Liberosia notes that it will be shunned by even capitalist regions/nations. It could encounter hostility from a variety of different regions. It is doubtful that our region will grow at the same rate as other more neutral regions. We will most probably remain stagnate. We will encounter ridicule, and mockery. However, we will shoulder all of these. To any nation reading this, if you are anti-communist, if you believe in free people and free markets, if you don't want to see the communists take power now or ever, you have a home in Libertatem.

Thank you

Pevvania wrote:It has some good ideas. I still like the idea of an interregional citizenship agreement, although making your case by mentioning the IRU was not the best idea.

Yeah, hindsight told me as much. Still, I didn't have many current REATO signatories to choose from when providing a demonstration.

Pevvania wrote:Alright, folks: should I put my proposed amendments to Article VIII of the War on Communism on the floor?

I'm, ah, having a hard time deciphering the edits there.

Also, it might be kind of confusing to edit the contents of Liberosia's speech considering the original (located in his factbooks) won't be changed. Or will it?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Yeah, hindsight told me as much. Still, I didn't have many current REATO signatories to choose from when providing a demonstration.

Indeed, we need to bulk up membership. The past six months, Libertatem has done very well exerting its own military strength and often cooperating with non-REATO allies, which is fine, but we should reform the organisation with the original goal in mind: uniting anti-authoritarians.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I'm, ah, having a hard time deciphering the edits there.

Also, it might be kind of confusing to edit the contents of Liberosia's speech considering the original (located in his factbooks) won't be changed. Or will it?

Good point. Regardless, I've spoken to him and he supports the amendments.

Pevvania wrote:Indeed, we need to bulk up membership. The past six months, Libertatem has done very well exerting its own military strength and often cooperating with non-REATO allies, which is fine, but we should reform the organisation with the original goal in mind: uniting anti-authoritarians.

It seems we've come our closest to meeting that original goal by reaching outside of our organization. (Plus, the name REAGAN Treaty Organization seems to scare away the libertarian left-center for some reason.)

Pevvania wrote:Good point. Regardless, I've spoken to him and he supports the amendments.

Good to hear.

In my opinion, we won't prevail without a slight amount of Authoritarianism.

Mazdaria wrote:In my opinion, we won't prevail without a slight amount of Authoritarianism.

Elaborate.

Without a sizeable amount of order, the region could grow unstable and topple to Direct Democracy. I've been here a very shot time but I've seen this happen in another region.

Mazdaria wrote:Without a sizeable amount of order, the region could grow unstable and topple to Direct Democracy. I've been here a very shot time but I've seen this happen in another region.

Unfortunately, you are correct. The game is simply not built for anarchy.

Pevvania wrote:Unfortunately, you are correct. The game is simply not built for anarchy.

Well, sort of - there are other methods of freely associating with other players that don't involve democracy, but they tend not to be effective for regional prosperity.

It is important to note that hierarchy is not necessarily authoritarianism - for instance, our region used to greatly resemble a business with its meritocratic structure, and could now be considered a republic in its current form. Despite the existence of a hierarchy with a clear chain of command, we are still considered a libertarian region because this system also exists to promote personal and political freedoms.

I'd go as far as to argue that authoritarianism is antithetical to order; a despotic government created after a coup is seldom stable, no monarch reigns unchallenged, and dictators tend to have short lifespans. In totalitarian regions, the threat of betrayal is not only real but very dangerous, the common aim of attaining more power is the great game, and propaganda is par for the course. Order cannot exist in a system fueled by the chaos of fear and plotting; just like direct democracy, it lacks the checks and balances needed to remain stable, the only difference being the lack of freedom as opposed to a glut.

There's, uh, an extra "bold" tag in the WFE.

And the news needs to be updated, it still says the board elections are a thing.

Speaking of, Board elections need to be a thing. Month is almost over.

The news is fine, all things considered - we really should consider the next term of our Board.

Insane idea of the day: Julian Assange should merge his party (Wikileaks Party) with the Aussie Libdems and consider running for senate alongside Leyonhjelm. Just think of the publicity...

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Insane idea of the day: Julian Assange should merge his party (Wikileaks Party) with the Aussie Libdems and consider running for senate alongside Leyonhjelm. Just think of the publicity...

Great idea. Assange is a very good man, but the Wikileaks Party was a terrible idea.

Do any of you support violating the Constitution in order to rectify past or present violations of it? In some cases, I do. For example, I think outlawing business discrimination in the Civil Rights Act was appropriate to remedy the effects of centuries unconstitutional slavery and segregation. And on a theoretical level, I would support an executive order abolishing the NSA, Social Security or the Department of Education.

Think Roosevelt didn't trash the First Amendment outside of his persecution of political enemies? Think again! The Smith Act of 1940 - signed into law by Daddy Roosevelt - outlawed calling for the overthrow of the US government. More than 200 people were prosecuted for violations of the act before the Supreme Court rightfully struck it down in 1957.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

Pevvania wrote:Do any of you support violating the Constitution in order to rectify past or present violations of it? In some cases, I do. For example, I think outlawing business discrimination in the Civil Rights Act was appropriate to remedy the effects of centuries unconstitutional slavery and segregation. And on a theoretical level, I would support an executive order abolishing the NSA, Social Security or the Department of Education.

To an extent.

Pevvania wrote:Think Roosevelt didn't trash the First Amendment outside of his persecution of political enemies? Think again! The Smith Act of 1940 - signed into law by Daddy Roosevelt - outlawed calling for the overthrow of the US government. More than 200 people were prosecuted for violations of the act before the Supreme Court rightfully struck it down in 1957.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

Learned about that in history class a couple years back.

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trololo *runs away*

Pevvania

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trololo *runs away*

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Can we do the Board thing?

Miencraft wrote:Can we do the Board thing?

Well, depends who is running. If you could update the WFE to cut out the bold tag, that'd be great.

Pevvania wrote:Well, depends who is running. If you could update the WFE to cut out the bold tag, that'd be great.

I thought you could do that.

'cause I can't do that.

At least, last time I checked I couldn't, so I just dropped Lib from my list of puppets because things weren't working.

Well, I'm mad again.

My brother thought it would be a good idea to delete one of the computer's drivers - now I have to reinstall all of the programs, bookmarks, and extensions. Ugh.

[url=http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=387453]JOIN THE NEW COMMONWEALTH COLLEGE[/URL]: [I]Looking for professors and students.[/I]

SEMESTER 1 STARTS APRIL 5th

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Humpheria wrote:Sounds like a great idea! I applied!

Learnins for quitters git back on tha farm! :P

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Instead of trying to destroy the ring

Why not join Sauron's army and change it from within?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/?single_page=true#disqus_thread

Excellent article on gun control by The Atlantic. Four years old, but nonetheless it contains vital history and lessons that all 2nd Amendment supporters should remember.

Question: what do you all do in real life to support liberty? Do you protest or campaign for freedom? Or does most of your activism extend to convincing friends?

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Humpheria wrote:I work conservative campaigns, and I head a Students for Liberty organization.

You run an SFL chapter? That's fantastic! It's doing so much to promote student activism for freedom. I wish we had a chapter in my county.

Let's talk about Islam.

Hallo Island

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Humpheria wrote:No thanks.

Not a fan of discussing religion?

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Humpheria wrote:Not that religion. Would love to explain, but I have to get to work.

I see.

I apologize for the inactivity, but now I finally got my internet :D so know I will get back to it

Hallo Island

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I apologize for the inactivity, but now I finally got my internet :D so know I will get back to it

Oh my goodness is Hallo

Hallo Island

Pevvania wrote:Let's talk about Islam.

It's a religion, with good and bad people. Just like every religion ever.

However the church of roads has no bad people. They'll get the hose.

Hallo Island

All must praise the lord thy roads!

Muh Roads

Muh Roads wrote:It's a religion, with good and bad people. Just like every religion ever.

Well, Sharia Law is terrible and all the terrorists organizations that kill under the name of God is pretty awful, and it kinda of degrades women, but other than that it's fine. I know that this comment sounds like i'm being a smart ass but this is how I feel about Islam.

Hallo Island

Is hallo still banned from talking on the RMB?

Hallo Island

Pevvania wrote:Question: what do you all do in real life to support liberty? Do you protest or campaign for freedom? Or does most of your activism extend to convincing friends?

Counter-economics

Muslims are OK. Many of them are decent, kind people like anyone else - and I've called many of them my friend in the past. But let's not sugar-coat it: Islam is a vile religion built on the glorification of collectivism, religious murder, oppression of women and slavery. Check out some of the nice bits out of the Qu'ran:

1] Kill any one who insults Islam or Moham-mad. (Koran.33;57-61).

2) Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).

3) Koran can not be doubted. (Koran.2;1).

4) Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).

5) Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216).

6) We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).

7) We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).

😎 We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).

9) We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).

10) We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).

11) Muslim must terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhari.4;52;220).

12) Muslims must strike terror into non-Muslims hearts. (Koran.8;60).

13) Muslims must lie to us (non-Muslims) to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106).

14) Muslims are allowed to behead us (non_Muslims) (Koran.47;4).

15) Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven if they kill us (non-Muslims). (Koran.9;111).

16) Marrying and divorcing pre-pubescent children is OK. (Koran.65;4).

17) Wife beating is OK. (Koran.4;34).

18) Raping wives is OK. (Koran.2;223).

19) Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim witnesses. (Koran.24;13).

20) Muslims are allowed to crucify and amputate us (non-Muslims). Koran.8;12/47;4).

Yes yes yes, "every religious text has bad parts". Sure. But the culture of superiority and dominance is endemic in Islamic teachings. Christianity is about inclusiveness and forgiveness.

But the fatal flaw of Islam is that it was founded by a mass murderer. Mohammed was a historical figure known for "uniting the tribes of Arabia" - or, in other words, killing and pillaging until he conquered the land and built an empire. During his reign, he murdered thousands, and went from town to town almost systematically enslaving women and children, and told his followers that it was OK to rape or kill a slave. He was never afraid to assassinate political opponents - the Islamic Wiki estimates he ordered the assassinations of at least 96 dissidents. He executed those who refused to convert. He ransacked villages and destroyed the culture and symbols of other religions, laying waste to Pagan temples across Arabia. He was greedy and opportunistic, torturing a Jewish prince for hours until he divulged the location of his riches, before decapitating him. And, perhaps most despicably of all, Mohammed was a pedophile, marrying a girl called Aisha at the age of 9 years old and having sex with her at the age of 10, according to most sources. "But this was traditional for the time!" some people say. Maybe so, but it doesn't make it right, nor does it justify putting this monster on a pedestal.

What's funny is how much he made up for his own convenience. He used to drink honey that was made for him by one of his numerous wives, and since he'd previously stated that drink honey was immoral, people began to question the legitimacy of him doing it. After this, he then claimed to have had "a vision from Allah" who told him that he could eat or drink anything he wanted.

Mohammed was just another dimestore medieval warlord, except that he created a cult around himself to justify his mass murdering.

Islam can never be a 'religion of peace' until it disowns this vile man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Story_of_the_honey

Miencraft

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Well, Sharia Law is terrible and all the terrorists organizations that kill under the name of God is pretty awful, and it kinda of degrades women, but other than that it's fine. I know that this comment sounds like i'm being a smart ass but this is how I feel about Islam.

"Communism is terrible and the Soviet Union killing all those people was bad, but apart from that it's fine"

Right-Winged Nation

Pevvania wrote:"Communism is terrible and the Soviet Union killing all those people was bad, but apart from that it's fine"

Yeah I don't necessarily care for Islam

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Counter-economics

Agorism, huh? You're becoming more anarchist by the minute.

I've just started identifying as an anarchist, because it's just easier than saying libertarian and getting looks of confusion from people or being accused of being 'right-wing'.

Pevvania wrote:Agorism, huh? You're becoming more anarchist by the minute.

I've just started identifying as an anarchist, because it's just easier than saying libertarian and getting looks of confusion from people or being accused of being 'right-wing'.

Tell me about it, I told a someone I was a libertarian and the response was: ¨Isn't that a Republican?¨

Pevvania wrote:Agorism, huh? You're becoming more anarchist by the minute.

I've just started identifying as an anarchist, because it's just easier than saying libertarian and getting looks of confusion from people or being accused of being 'right-wing'.

Nah. Just pissed at the Libertarian Party, and the two party state and how useless reform can be. Might as well break some rules to increase personal liberty in the meantime. Who wants agorist brownies? Only a dollar.

Call yourself a libertarian and the anarchosocialists will get mad at you.

Call yourself an anarchist and they'll use a no true Scotsman fallacy.

I'll call myself whatever the fock I feel like, tyvm

Hallo Island

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Nah. Just pissed at the Libertarian Party, and the two party state and how useless reform can be. Might as well break some rules to increase personal liberty in the meantime. Who wants agorist brownies? Only a dollar.

The Libertarian Party is useless. They have all the right ideas, but their means of executing them are atrocious. They've been around for forty years and have elected a handful of state representatives, one of which got the Alaska income tax abolished. But apart from that, they've been totally insignificant. They do not play strategically, never even trying to work with other broadly pro-liberty organisations like the Tea Party, NRA or Students for Liberty. Their only objective is to get candidates elected, and they fail horribly at that by nominating rejects from the Republican and Democratic Parties, and then act surprised when they get a few percentage points of the vote.

America has a decent political system compared to other countries. The two major parties are not very dictatorial - they shift and change based on demographics and public opinion. They are each big tents that can and have changed hundreds of times since their creation. The left and the right has been able to mobilise multiple different belief systems and factions behind one cause, whereas in the UK, for example, you have a very splintered left wing. Sure, there are more parties, but it doesn't necessarily mean more choice.

I think the future of liberty in the US relies on three things: a) libertarians taking over the Republican Party, b) slaves becoming economically educated by activists like Adam Kokesh, and c) states leading the way to nullify federal laws. C) seems to be working well right now.

Hallo Island

One of the things I love about the Obama Administration is how utterly powerless it has been to stop many parts of American life becoming more free. There has been a political revolution in reaction to Obama's ambitions to expand the size of government. Despite his actions, the states have led the way in expanding freedom in the areas of guns, drugs, marriage, unions, taxes and NSA surveillance while the Department of Justice has in many ways just sat and watched. Today, America probably has the least amount of gun control than at any time in its history. The Drug War is ending across the US. Numerous states are moving to abolish their income tax. Even more are rejecting the allure of federal funds through Obamacare and Medicaid subsidies. Several are considering shutting down NSA data retention centres in their states. The Obama Presidency has brought down the optimism of many libertarians, but there is much that we can cheer at.

The states are leading the way towards freedom.

Local elections in France show that the Socialist party is strongly declining while the center-right and the nationalists are in very good positions to be the next 2 main french political forces.

Pevvania wrote:One of the things I love about the Obama Administration is how utterly powerless it has been to stop many parts of American life becoming more free. There has been a political revolution in reaction to Obama's ambitions to expand the size of government. Despite his actions, the states have led the way in expanding freedom in the areas of guns, drugs, marriage, unions, taxes and NSA surveillance while the Department of Justice has in many ways just sat and watched. Today, America probably has the least amount of gun control than at any time in its history. The Drug War is ending across the US. Numerous states are moving to abolish their income tax. Even more are rejecting the allure of federal funds through Obamacare and Medicaid subsidies. Several are considering shutting down NSA data retention centres in their states. The Obama Presidency has brought down the optimism of many libertarians, but there is much that we can cheer at.

The states are leading the way towards freedom.

What concerns me is who next president will be

Gary Johnson isn't bad - he holds a lot of Libertarian ideas - but he isn't really suited for politics. Mind you the LP got over a million votes last run.

I'll continue to support the LP as long as it has the potential to bring the end of the two party state, but currently they are making really bad business decisions, like wasting their money changing their logo.

Pev you don't understand, the current two party system isn't the result of successful inclusive coalition but rather the end result of a first past the post system. In each party the strongest and richest (not necessarily the most popular) win out and call the shots. This is why neocons have dominated over the business conservatives since the 90s. A multiple party system would make libertarians at least somewhat sovereign. In the current system its just grovelling to whoever is in charge.

Plus I am kind of irked that I didn't discover the logo contest earlier. Just my luck...

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Gary Johnson isn't bad - he holds a lot of Libertarian ideas - but he isn't really suited for politics. Mind you the LP got over a million votes last run.

I'll continue to support the LP as long as it has the potential to bring the end of the two party state, but currently they are making really bad business decisions, like wasting their money changing their logo.

Pev you don't understand, the current two party system isn't the result of successful inclusive coalition but rather the end result of a first past the post system. In each party the strongest and richest (not necessarily the most popular) win out and call the shots. This is why neocons have dominated over the business conservatives since the 90s. A multiple party system would make libertarians at least somewhat sovereign. In the current system its just grovelling to whoever is in charge.

First past the post? Not necessarily. The UK is plagued with FPTP and has 12 parties in the House of Commons, 3 of which have more than 50 seats. The US and the UK, though, have fundamentally different political systems.

A third party would be good, though. If Rand Paul or Ted Cruz (yes, I would support him) isn't nominated by the GOP I'll support the Libertarian candidate. Hopefully in that scenario they'd get at least 5% of the vote, and employ better campaigning tactics than making crappy videos of people doing cartwheels.

Hallo Island

Liberosia once said: "Sometimes I think we've got it bad here. Then I look at Europe."

Hallo Island

Pevvania wrote:First past the post? Not necessarily. The UK is plagued with FPTP and has 12 parties in the House of Commons, 3 of which have more than 50 seats. The US and the UK, though, have fundamentally different political systems.

A third party would be good, though. If Rand Paul or Ted Cruz (yes, I would support him) isn't nominated by the GOP I'll support the Libertarian candidate. Hopefully in that scenario they'd get at least 5% of the vote, and employ better campaigning tactics than making crappy videos of people doing cartwheels.

It's nothing like that. Our system ensures that only two parties will be able to exist at one time, perhaps the exception of intervals (i.e. the Whigs dying while the Republicans simultaneously rising.)

Cruz is a hack.

I've decided to join a NEW party, one that I think is GENUINELY libertarian!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party

This is for both Pev and our North Korean friends:

https://www.facebook.com/LPGeorgia/photos/a.10152425294344240.1073741831.32785124239/10153724964289240/?type=1

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I've decided to join a NEW party, one that I think is GENUINELY libertarian!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party

That party is libertarian! Humpy is also a swimsuit model!

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RLP Announcement

I am not comfortable with all of this being aired in public, but the people of Libertatem must hear the truth, and I will no longer sit idly by while illicit deals and pacts are struck in the back alleys of NationStates.

Since the party system was privatised, the de facto system of rules for political parties has been that the party founder makes the rules for the party and controls its operations. I co-founded the Reaganist Libertarian Party with Condealism, merging the Christian Libertarian and Lone Star Parties. Conservative left the leadership of the party to lead the IRU and later to found ACOP. My intentions have always been to lead this party to preserve the Constitution, to expand individual freedom, to decrease the size of government wherever possible and to lead the crusade against authoritarianism. But most importantly, I've always sought to do this fairly and honestly. The party's political campaigns have always been open, honest and largely smear-free. Our platform's resonance with the people of Libertatem has led to our victory in dozens of elections since 2013.

However, the integrity of our party is under threat, and as its founder, proprietor, and leader, I must act to extinguish this threat.

One of our most senior members and a trusted adviser, ally, and friend, former president Humpheria, shattered my trust in him over a month ago when he acted complacently in President Conservative Idealism's attempted agreement with The Internationale to effectively end the War on Communism. I saw the chat room between the leaders of our two regions and Humpheria. He did nothing, except note political considerations. It was clear that he and Condealism had been discussing this for some time behind the backs of myself, Minerva and the rest of the cabinet. Humph informed me at the last minute about what was going on. But it was clear that he was in the same boat as Con's. Somebody who had fought so diligently to preserve and defend the war was now selling the region down the river. I felt even more back-stabbed by his willingness to prosecute me for refusing to give up the regions demanded by The Red Fleet, despite this being a clear violation of the Board's power to create war and peace, a power that even I complied with as President when the Board ordered a "cooling-off" period. I respect our Constitution and our laws, because they are just and protect the rights of our people.

It seems that Humpheria's political ambitions had gone to his head. I was confused by his steadfast support for the President. He and I, I had thought, were on the same page as to what we were thinking about the direction of this administration. But as soon as he took on the role of Chief of Staff, his priorities changed. Which I did not understand. Was he playing politics? Was this his strategy all along? Did he just simply no longer agree with me anymore? I was not sure.

He insisted that I could trust him, and that he was just "following the law" and acting based on a promise he made to help CI. I decided to rebuild my trust in him. I did not stymie him when he ran for the RLP nomination for president. In fact, my recent inactivity meant that he took control - with my permission - of the primary process. As a result, it has been conducted nearly in total secrecy, with no debate and no outside conversation on the RMB. He ran against Muh Roads for the nomination. This was my fault, of course: I should have taken charge and thought this through clearly. To his credit, Humph did not want to influence the primary, so he gave me the details to the [nation=short]Reaganist Libertarian Party[/nation] nation for me to observe and manage. But he can have this nation back, because I now know that it is tainted with lies and betrayal.

Going through the telegrams from trusted RLP members - the lot of them patriots and good folks - I discovered an incriminating telegram in the 'sent' section. The mods frown upon posting telegram text on the RMB, so I will describe it: he sent the message to Conservative Idealism 60 days ago, and in it he disclosed his plan - which was approved by me - for a Humpheria/Right-Winged Nation presidential ticket in April. This information was confidential and just between us. That he was illicitly divulging party secrets was evident in the telegram, which included phrases such as “you did not hear this [from me]” and “shh”, was obvious. He also made recommendations for Con’s ticket in April. A follow-up telegram indicated that he had intended to sent this telegram from his main nation.

I do not know when he began his collusion with Conservative Idealism. Maybe it was when he became Chairman. Maybe it was before. But it is clear to me, and it is clear to Liberosia himself, that this represents a total betrayal of my trust and of the trust of the Reaganist Libertarian Party. Anyone that wishes to see the full content of the telegram can message me for it.

Needless to say, this has confirmed all of my suspicions about him. Also needless to say, I WILL NOT be having any politicians or traitors in my party. My party is where leaders are born, not Frank Underwoods.

As a result of this, I am hereby ejecting Humpheria from the Reaganist Libertarian Party. He is banished indefinitely. The RLP primaries, already tainted by scandal and corruption, are hereby cancelled, and will be reheld openly (but to the same members for vote) after debate on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

...Pev, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? All he did to betray your trust was bring Misley's proposal to my attention (which I foolishly acted upon, and take full responsibility for) and divulge a campaign secret (which I ignored anyway - it's not important to me considering I've decided not to seek a second term). That's it - surely that doesn't warrant kicking him out of your party?

Well, after reading that blatantly incorrect text, I am at a loss for words.

I cannot stand here while my legacy and hard work for over a year is destroyed by my closest friend in this game. I cannot stand in Libertatem without my Party. It is everything to me.

So, I cannot stand at all. Believe whatever you will. I did send that telegram at a time when I was being antagonized and hated by the Party. It was a poor decision that was not even heeded that I made 60 days ago. But, apparently that is enough to destroy me. I don't know if it's paranoia, contempt, or just plain pride. But, Pevvania has seen it necessary to move on without me.

I guess that's it then. I cannot imagine a Libertatem without the RLP, so I will not live in Libertatem anymore. Or any region for that matter. With one misguided bout of rage, my year and half long service to this region comes to an end.

Humph, don't. You're still a respected member of this region, and an active government official besides.

Post self-deleted by Yrellian Confederacy.

I know that the RLP internal's affairs are not my business but I agree with CI, this ejection seems a bit too much. Don't forget that Humph did great things for Libertatem and its justice department. Thanks to him and many others we were able to organize a true and fair trial, and of course this is just a small part of the job he accomplished.

Pevvania wrote:-snip-

You get the award for the dumbest multi-paragraph post I've read in a long time.

Congratulations.

I give it a week, but I still need to fill some positions in the meantime.

I'll get a hold of my pick for AG. If you think you're experienced enough to be my new Chief of Staff, TG me.

It is not what was put at stake that cuts me so deeply. It is that my trust was betrayed. I am malleable to the advice of people who I trust and hold in high opinion. I will not allow myself to be used and tossed around in such a fashion. But I will tell you all this: the time for politics and game-playing within the RLP is over.

Unfallious wrote:You get the award for the dumbest multi-paragraph post I've read in a long time.

Congratulations.

Sorry, who are you again?

He's one of Humpheria's potential students, I believe. I guess he'll have to take someone else's class now.

Anyway, I am pleased to announce that [nation=short]Yrellian Confederacy[/nation] will be our region's new Attorney General. Give him your congratulations, everyone, while you decide upon a new People's Attorney.

Pevvania wrote:Sorry, who are you again?

Just a guy who can read.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:He's one of Humpheria's potential students, I believe. I guess he'll have to take someone else's class now.

Anyway, I am pleased to announce that [nation=short]Yrellian Confederacy[/nation] will be our region's new Attorney General. Give him your congratulations, everyone, while you decide upon a new People's Attorney.

Nah, I respected the guy, but I'm not interested in US politics & history.

Unfallious wrote:Just a guy who can read.

Nah, I respected the guy, but I'm not interested in US politics & history.

So what's the deal with these classes in CFN, then?

Pevvania wrote:So what's the deal with these classes in CFN, then?

You take the classes. Some guy tells you some stuff and you turn in some assignments which he'll grade and in the end you get a qualification that is recognised by approximately 149 people on a webforum.

But hey, at least you learn something.

In other news, Libertatem personally intervened to aid the re-founding of the Federation Of Free States. One of our oldest and strongest allies is now back on its feet. We look forward to further cooperation and friendship.

Yeah, about that - I'm glad things have all ended up well over there, but Libertatem intervening wasn't part of the plan. Though I suppose that might have something to do with the fact that everyone outside of the FFS government didn't know there even was a plan, but still...

Former President Humpheria sends his regards and has decided not to quit NationStates entirely. He requested that I inform you all that his inbox is open, and welcomes you to join his classes over in the Commonwealth.

It is with great sadness that we see Humpheria depart, however, granted the circumstances I feel Pev's actions were simply appropriate and nothing less. The telegram simply drew the line.I still consider Humpheria my friend, a great person, and an asset to the region regardless.

It is my hope that you will reconsider your leave Humpheria, and I appreciate the kind words and support.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Former President Humpheria sends his regards and has decided not to quit NationStates entirely. He requested that I inform you all that his inbox is open, and welcomes you to join his classes over in the Commonwealth.

Well that works.

Muh Roads wrote:It is with great sadness that we see Humpheria depart, however, granted the circumstances I feel Pev's actions were simply appropriate and nothing less. The telegram simply drew the line.I still consider Humpheria my friend, a great person, and an asset to the region regardless.

It is my hope that you will reconsider your leave Humpheria, and I appreciate the kind words and support.

Very fine words, Muh Roads.

On another subject: Ted Cruz has announced that he is running for president. What do we think of this?

Pevvania wrote:Very fine words, Muh Roads

Thank you.

I would also like to announce that "Liberty Talks on Radio Libertatem" will soon be airing! Liberty Talks will be a radio station hosted by yours truly. I plan on discussing real world politics, Libertatem in general, and whatever the heck else I feel like :). (Limbaugh, your goin down!)

Pevvania

Sweet - I'd definitely give it a listen. Heck, if I ever buy a laptop anytime soon, I may have a talk show of my own.

Speaking of which, I haven't gotten any requests for Fortside Rock Radio recently.

Muh Roads

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Sweet - I'd definitely give it a listen. Heck, if I ever buy a laptop anytime soon, I may have a talk show of my own.

Speaking of which, I haven't gotten any requests for Fortside Rock Radio recently.

You should put it up in the WFE. We didn't privatise the radio for nothing, y'know.

I'll make a request: Is This Love by Whitesnake.

Muh Roads wrote:Thank you.

I would also like to announce that "Liberty Talks on Radio Libertatem" will soon be airing! Liberty Talks will be a radio station hosted by yours truly. I plan on discussing real world politics, Libertatem in general, and whatever the heck else I feel like :). (Limbaugh, your goin down!)

Love it! Can't wait to listen.

Muh Roads

That reminds me, I need to start doing stuff on my radio thing.

There's supposed to be, like, news and music.

I haven't figured out how I'm doing the news, because it wouldn't make much sense if it were in English.

Maybe I could link to a page with a recording of the broadcast in the Miencraftic language and the English translation.

That could be cool.

Oh, and about the Hump thing, I simply have no words.

There are none. No words exist. Hump's been around since I came back from CTE and noticed that everything was different. What are you supposed to say when something like this happens?

I've got no idea.

Lol... my puppet is most authoritarian and I am the least authoritarian in the region. Awesome.

Hallo Island

Pevvania wrote:Very fine words, Muh Roads.

On another subject: Ted Cruz has announced that he is running for president. What do we think of this?

No.

Pevvania wrote:In other news, Libertatem personally intervened to aid the re-founding of the Federation Of Free States. One of our oldest and strongest allies is now back on its feet. We look forward to further cooperation and friendship.

We must recruit them into the REATO army to lob at the commies.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:No.

We must recruit them into the REATO army to lob at the commies.

I've been talking with their delegate. He's not interested.

What are your thoughts on expanding Antista?

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