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Region: Libertatem
Exactly, this would be working together as a region.
Still, do we all vote on a new constitution? Whom chooses the one proposed is right? The board? The people? The house? The Delegate? If everyone votes, 55 nations would have to vote "yea" at the present state of Libertatem.
Empress Jasmine.. i loved the comment you Deleted haha..
I would like to formally apologize to anyone offended by the initiative taken by myself and ISA. It is not at all my intention to be dictatorial. Basically, so far, the draft is everything that was in the old one but: Delegate is Head of State, Delegate has less powers, Added Attorney General, time limits on terms, structure to elections, executive legislative judicial powers. and an outline of an invasion, and more power to the house. The point of it is so we are less authoritarian. We are two subsections from finishing and once we are finished I will post it on my factbook and any suggestions you have I will make changes. I would also like to motion that once it is published that the House in it's entirety debate and decide whether or not it is to be ratified. It's time the people decide. I really am sorry that everyone thinks that I was trying to be a dictator, I had no idea that you would all be so against me authoring with ISA. If it would please the people than I will resign my post as Chairman. I do not want to resign but if the people think my 15 minutes have passed than I will gladly step away. I will wait for the people to decide my position and I will try to get the draft published by tomorrow.
Why thank you!
I am fine with you as chairman of the board. But you seriously need to do something about your last proposal so your efforts are more realized. You cannot seriously believe this is better for the region. I restate.. there is no structure in the proposal. ISA says he is going to write the proposal as author, yet you claim to be author in the proposal?? What is happening to this beloved region?
It's going down the drain!!! Bye bye Libertatem!!!
Let us all remember that these times are full of turmoil but this shall not be for long. We will get through this and perhaps it will be a little rocky at the start but in the end we will come out as the Republic of Libertatem a NEW an unstoppable force for freedom throughout the world.
I personally support the efforts of ISA and Humpheria in their effort to create a draft for a new constitution.
Remember that the dawn comes right after the night is darkest. Libertatem will get through this.
I would like to remind everyone that this is a simulation and if i can get a rise out of some misguided fools (communists) by trolling i certainly will.
Thats how all constitutions work.
And no one should resign, we just need to collectively look more thoroughly at our course of action. It is apparent that a drastic change in our regional government is coming we must merely decide what that change shall be.
The proposal was merely a catalyst for constitutions to be drafted. Not even just ours but any of them I encourage other constitutions to be written and weighed in on as to pick the best, for the best of the region. I will post a draft within the next few minutes ISA will still need to sign it because he co-authored, but you all can look at it.
I do hope so, But im not supporting anyone until i see the proposal as enacted. I was wrong however, Humpheria did declare himself author in the proposal. So guess what... all my fellow board members who voted "yea", you have allowed 1 nation and 1 nation only to author the constitution. Humpheria, according to your proposal that has passed you can recieve no help from ISA. ISA shall have no involvement. You are sole author.. i wish you good luck.
"Members of the Board,
"The Board shall have the authority to declare war, create peace, and check the power of the WA Delegate when it deems fit through petition and redress, as well as a popular vote among the various Board Members and Managers."
I would like to motion that the Board shall issue a redress, authored by myself, to the Delegacy for a new Constitution to be drafted. I have talked to Pevvania and he does not agree with making a new Constitution, so if we want it we must represent our people, and they want it to. With a vote of five or more "Yeas" I will draft the redress for review. With four or more "Nays" the Board will not take ANY action involving the idea of a rewrite. Please send your votes to me. I will allow 24 hours to vote.
I vote Yea.
Yours,
Humpheria
Chairman of the Board
"Mr. Delegate,
In the Constitution of the region of Libertatem, it gives the Board the power to issue a redress of grievance, checking the power of the Delegacy. This is such a document. It is the job of the Board to be the superior legislative power in the region, as such, in the interest of representing our constituents we have come to an affirmative vote of ordering a rewriting of the Constitution. The current Constitution was written for a region that no longer exists. Libertatem has changed so much that its government should change as well. The founder of the region is no longer present, thus leaving the majority of the Constitution void regardless. There are serious issues with our current system of government and a general consensus among the Board has been reached that a new Constitution be drafted. It will be authored by Humpheria and Independent States of America, Humpheria will defend it as the defending attorney in the absence of an attorney general. The Board is hereby ordering a new Constitution drafted, and urges the Delegacy to support it,
Signed,
Humpheria - Chairman of the Board
Independent States of America - Manager of Internal Affairs
Blahbania - Manager of Military Affairs
Lack there of - Manager of the State
Islands - Board Member
Muh Roads - Board Member
Miencraft - Board Member
Abaretta - Board Member"
Great, but that is not what you have set forward. That is simply the letter of address. So you went against your own proposal?
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=185657
That is the Constitution so far I appreciate any input
Besides that it is not applicable since ISA and Zion were involved?
I personally recant my own efforts at my own First Draft upon an agreement that the PREAMBLE will be of my own work and the rest of the constitution shall be left to Humpheria. I worked hard on the Preamble and I feel that you will all enjoy it.
I find it terrifying i am the only one fighting this. I guess i have no place in this authortarian region. Do what you will.
The link uses my Preamble I made an agreement to support their draft if my preamble was the one used
How do you mean? I am not trying to make it my constitution. It is the people's and if anyone else provides input than they will receive credit. ISA wrote some of it and Zion wrote the Preamble so I gave them credit, how is it not applicable?
We're not going to hammer out a new constitution over night, that's just ludicrous. That being said, we really don't even have the "legal" authority to do so under our current system. Once we get a rough draft out then we can argue over the detail and who receives credit for what. I have been spending a lot of time communicating with region Libertarian Party libertarians, attempting to ratify the REGAN treaty, and have read over their constitution numerous times and it seems to be pretty solid. I'm not saying we copy it verbatim, but it would be a good place to get a reference point for moving forward.
Ah yes, but Humpheria is to be sole author.
Members of the Board,
"The Board shall have the authority to declare war, create peace, and check the power of the WA Delegate when it deems fit through petition and redress, as well as a popular vote among the various Board Members and Managers."
I would like to motion that the Board shall issue a redress, authored by myself, to the Delegacy for a new Constitution to be drafted. I have talked to Pevvania and he does not agree with making a new Constitution, so if we want it we must represent our people, and they want it to. With a vote of five or more "Yeas" I will draft the redress for review. With four or more "Nays" the Board will not take ANY action involving the idea of a rewrite. Please send your votes to me. I will allow 24 hours to vote.
I vote Yea.
Yours,
Humpheria
Chairman of the Board
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Actually, it is legal.. "The Board shall have the authority to declare war, create peace, and check the power of the WA Delegate when it deems fit through petition and redress, as well as a popular vote among the various Board Members and Managers."
I'm not trying to fight you Muh Roads, I'm trying to understand you. We agree on everything else and I consider you a close friend of mine. We are in the same party for God sakes. I just want to know what you mean so that if I am doing something wrong I can change.
Now let us all read and discuss the Constitutional Draft written remember this is a draft it may be perfect the way it is it may not be lets work together to move forward
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=185657
"I would like to motion that the Board shall issue a redress, authored by myself, to the Delegacy for a new Constitution to be drafted."
This was referring to the redress regarding the issues with the current constitution. This does not in any way state the Humpheria is responsible for authoring the new constitution solo.
Because your proposal listed you as sole author. Meaning no one else can participate. Why is this so hard to understand? The board voted it in. I can't believe i was the only one to vote Nay.
I am sick of this debating though, i must retire to bed.
I did not mean that I am the sole author, I said that just so that there was a solid basis to start off on.
I don't see a clause referring to overriding the constitution itself, only checking the power of the delegate and maintaining executive authority.
No, But his proposal does say so.. that the board voted "yea" on.
Seconded
Then good sir, that should have been proposed.
Neither do I.
Really? Well, then we can use some of the proven methods in that constitution to better ours. If there is anything in particular you think we should add then tell me and I will put it in.
Checking the power of the delegate could very well involve a rewrite of the constitution limiting his/her power.
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Thirded
Heres the actual link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=laws_of_libertarian_party_libertarians/detail=factbook/id=181544
I appreciate the specific terms for officials and dates of elections. There entire election process is much more streamlined than anything ever proposed in this region.
Guys Guys Guys, We are debating semantics when the thing we should be doing now is reading the NEW Draft of the constitution and then discussing it and then tell Humphery if we agree or if something should be altered. If the Draft is good there is no need to debate how the draft should come about as long as the rights of all people and their views points are still intact. We are recreating the government so it's too complicated to argue about such issues please let us just read and vote on the draft so we can continue as a united people
Thats a really big stretch
It seems like this whole thing was just based on misinformation and misunderstanding. I will take responsibility for this as it was caused by my actions but in the interest of sustaining the region we must stop this. We cannot survive if we divide into separate factions. I'm sorry, I should have been clearer, but can we just put this argument to rest. I have published a draft FOR REVIEW, tell me if there is anything that should be added. I encourage others to draft constitutions so we can take the best of all of them. We are a strong region and I cannot let it fall apart because of my clerical mistake. I apologize and I thank you all for actively shaping the draft I worked on with your input. I also thank ISA and Zion for your work on the draft . I would especially like to apologize to Muh Roads, one of my trusted friends in this region, I offended you and argued with you, I'm sorry.
Why did i bother to even continue here...
There is always a need for debate. Especially with something with such a massive impact as this. The constitution proposed cannot possibly go into effect based on the proposal passed.
Sorta off topic but, for future reference, which city do you people think should be my capital?
Riyadh
New Delhi
Baghdad
Please telegram me your answer.
Thanks for the Clear up remember everyone we are reviewing this draft:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=185657
I do those things in my draft, in regards to the Delegate and the Board. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=main
Pev is going to be in for a bit of a surprise in the morning.
Don't leave I mean seriously we are just trying to fix something we are all fighters for the same things this issue will be a thing of the past by next week all we have to do now is make some adjustments and review and debate the draft so that we can have a strong Region
Again, you all have my apologies for the miscommunication. Now, I am emotionally and mentally drained so I think I'll go to bed now, but I'll talk to y'all again in the morning.
Alright so I have now completed reading your draft and speaking of the Delegate I don't think it's very clear what his powers are
The draft may need to cover who or what has the power to Excommunicate Nations
(I think Nations should only be kicked out after a fair trial unless they are actively in the stage of open rebellion. In cases where there is suspicion of secret conspires with Communists then there should be a trail)
The excommunication trials are covered in Section III Judicial. In the draft, the Delegate is more an overseer than a ruler, trying to make the region less authoritarian. Ironically, the main undertone of the draft is against Authoritarian and that's exactly what it's opposition was calling it.
Congratulations to Pevvania on 15 days in office.
Okay thanks for clearing that up!
So please list all the powers of the Delegate below so for this draft that I understand.
Everyone who hasn't already seen it please read this First Draft for a NEW Constitution for the NEW Republic of Libertatem. Written by Humperia and ISA. The Preamble is provided by yours truly.
Please read, discuss, and ask for alteration to the proposed document
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=185657
I am a strong proponent of Delegate power. Any company needs a real leader, and Pevvania is the ablest among us.
Do you like the new proposed constitution? If not what parts?
I have not read it. I can say, as an old Delegate for this region and I guess what you might call a regional conservative, I am firmly set against these extremely radical reforms. Why? Experience.
Well this constitution is pretty conservative it also structures things quite well plus we can always make changes this is just a draft. read the draft and tell me what you think
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Guys - what the heck is happening to the region?
I was elected to this office on the platform of change. I was elected to bring reform to this region. I was elected to lead us out of the darkness.
What we are seeing here is not change - it's a total butchering of our ideals, principles and rule of law.
I didn't want to cause division by outright opposing this, but the new 'constitution' that's been introduced is such a corrupted, broken piece of law I feel if I don't speak out against it I'll be allowing the complete destruction of our region.
It's essentially just a rushed rewrite of our current constitution, with a dozen more bad ideas. Democracy is important, but so is strong leadership. While I by no means give myself the entirety of the credit for this region's recovery, without the guidance of the Delegate we would've never shot up to the numbers we're seeing now, or seen such a resurgence in activity. The document enacts ridiculously brief election cycles that encourage carelessness and punish achievement. It weakens leadership and puts responsibility in the hands of a largely inactive population. The reason HORREF was introduced was to confront the fact that the majority of the House just doesn't do anything. Most nations in most regions are inactive. Along with this, elected Managers is a terrible idea. The Managers are there as an appointed advisory panel to implement the agenda of the Delegate; electing them would just weaken us.
The document retreads over various tried-and-failed ideas that were in place before, but had to be struck down due to their inherent fallibility. This constitution proposes the introduction of a police state that sees fit to purge wavering ideals and doctrines at the will of the state. If you like that kind of thing, I recommend joining The Internationale. But not Libertatem. We're a historically anti-communist region, but that should by no means prohibit other nations coming here to debate and participate. We are a free region, so we should let anyone in regardless of their orientation. And even if an open communist was to come here and seek office -- who would vote for them? Banning authoritarians contradicts our principles of freedom, and threatens to take us back to an era of conformity and fear. Why does [nation=short]Independent States of America[/nation] preach about change when he's advocating such reactionary ideals as this?
Ignoring all these new and destructive ideas, I expected to read a document fundamentally dissimilar from our current constitution. It is not. Every single institution proposed in the document already exists. The Delegate, the 8-nation Board, the House of Representatives, the Attorney General -- they're all in here, just with different names. So at a core level, this isn't anything different. It's just like Modern Warfare 3 -- more of the same with a few new, ill-advised concepts.
There is not one redeeming feature in the new 'constitution'. Not one. And there's nothing in there that can't be addressed simply through amending our current constitution. So for these reasons and more, I will fight this bastardisation of our principles at every level.
I'm also concerned about the support it's received. [nation=short]The United States of Zion[/nation] is a nation who literally arrived yesterday, yet already seems to be an expert on the history of our region and what works and doesn't work with our Constitution. Even the preamble of the new one shows his inexperience with the game. While I admire your enthusiasm, Zion, I don't think you've been here long enough to know anything about us.
[nation=short]Humpheria[/nation], while I'm disappointed that you helped to create this, I still value you as the Chairman and the work that you've done in office.
What I'm most perplexed about is ISA. I've seen him be effectively cast out of various regions - The Federal Islands, International Republican Union - and I never really figured out why. Our founder, Liberosia, never trusted him. I now know why. He's frequently discussed reforming the region, but has voted against nearly every reform bill that's touched the floor. I brought him here to help me implement change, but he hasn't worked with me on a single piece of legislation. He doesn't really want to reform the region, he's just after personal glory. He wants to leave a mark on the region, no matter how destructive that mark is. I have replaced him as Internal Affairs Manager with The Lone Star, someone far more rational, and far more loyal to this region's principles.
Please, Libertatem, don't destroy our region. Amend the Constitution - don't replace it.
Pev I would love it if you would explain how our constitution is corrupt? I would love it how you can explain by transferring power from government to the people via elections is bad in some sense? It seems like to me you want everything in this region to run apposed to your agenda. I do like to have name recognition but apparently you want to dictate over us and gain more power or else you would support the reform that we have put forth.
As a member of the House of Representatives, I motion a vote. In the truest sense of democracy. A yea vote means enacting a new constitution, any accepted draft, and a nay vote is to keep the current Constitution in place and start working on amendments. I will admit I might have jumped the gun and I should have brought it to the House first. So I'm doing that now. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=185657
I abstain to vote
Humpheria, your chairman of the board... what do you mean your bringing it to the house first? Its this carelessness that bothers me the most.
When you propose something you need to lay out exactly what is going to happen. You say "any accepted draft". Who votes for the drafts? Are you aware that you have the *only* draft as of now meaning yours would take place as default? When does the change of constitution happen? We cannot take this seriously when your proposals are so vauge.
If somehow this is legal.. I vote nay!
I felt that this was something that the people as a whole should vote for. I'm treating this under the precedent of an amendment. If it passes in the House it goes to the Board. If I just brought it straight to the Board than I would have taken it out of people's hands, authoritarianism. I don't see that as carelessness.
By the by, Humpheria,
You have not offended me. Our friendship has little to do with the politics of the region. I may not like what you are doing here, but that is not going to make me lose my respect. Still, though I consider myself a reformer.. these proposals are ridiculous and are not being followed correctly. People of Libertatem are being misinformed and misguided. I am concerned the board is not actually reading the proposal just going along with the "idea" of it... if you will.
I'm encouraging people to think up their own so that we can decide amongst ourselves which is best for the region. I think there should be more than two voices in this cacophony.
The house lacks the power to do anything about it as far as I understand. The carelessness is in how the proposal is written. There is no critical details.
I purposely kept it vague so it could be changed if need be. I would like to apologize to ISA and Zion, who helped me write it, it looks like I'm just going to have the idea of our draft. But I think someone should get started on an amendment to structure elections and terms and give more power to the people and not as much to the Delegate and Board. I think I will rest my case, you have won.
This is moving way to fast. I was in favor of a region wide discussion regarding a new governing document NOT a rushed rewrite that happens in one night. The region still needs drastic changes in our government, maybe even a new constitution, but this is not the way to Handle the issue. Until a more organized and clear proposal comes forth I vote,
NAY
Sorry, I meant to quote this one. My bad MUH Roads,
No worries
We don't need a new constitution - I'm still waiting to hear what's wrong with our current constitution. I vote nay, of course. The very existence of this new constitution is unconstitutional. If you want to change something, do it via amendments.
Will have time to reply to everyone else when I get back later.
You certainly did jump the gun. It took you one night. It should have taken a lot more planning and not rushed together in 5 minutes. I vote...
NAY
That certainly felt very rushed, and I will be voting NAY for this proposed constitution.
Greetings. I am Conservative Idealism of the International Republican Union, ally of Libertatem. I have a message.
As the former Internal Affairs Manager and as a would-be contender for the Delegacy, I must say that I have never seen so rushed a reform proposal as the "new" Constitution. This piece of legislation would not even have seen the light of day, even as a draft, were I around.
My advice? If something feels like it doesn't work, look for the problem and see if you can reform THAT. The system this region has, has worked for more than a year; there's no need to scrap it entirely for light and transient causes.
If you have any questions, I'll be here for a few minutes.
1. It dictates elections every two months. Lack there of made a good point concerning ELECT: "Monthly election cycles are a little too much democracy and will lead to a ludicrous amount of regional politicking in addition to minimalizing the importance of the election through have elections every 30 days. A longer term would be more efficient for the process and the board members wouldn't have to be worried about campaigning during their term. A term consisting of 3 to 6 months would be preferable." The same principle applies here. Two-month terms are ridiculous.
2. Managers being elected is like electing the US President's Cabinet. It will probably result in incompatible ideas that don't gel with the leadership. An exercise in pointlessness.
3. The new 'constitution' will create a police state. If you refuse to conform, you face banjection. This is not in keeping with the principles of libertarianism.
4. It ignores the Founder, who in case you've forgotten created this region in the first place.
5. It's essentially the current constitution + inefficient elections + police state rules. It limits the Delegate's power, which I'm strongly opposed to not because I want to keep my power, but because I want strong leadership. I believe the position of Delegate should definitely be elected, but every 2 months is ridiculous. 4-6 months, for example, would be feasible.
6. It's going back to a whole region-composed House of Representatives, which you voted against in HORREF. You have even said before that this doesn't work, because it expects every nation to be active.
To sum up, it's an ill-advised piece of reactionary garbage that does nothing at all to improve on the current Constitution.
You don't just want name recognition, you want all the glory. The reason you opposed every piece of reform legislation put forth bar one was because you wanted to reform the region yourself. But all you've put forth so far is horrible ideas that I will never, never accept.
I do want more power to the people, but in a sensible fashion coinciding with strong leadership. This new constitution would create a democratic system so weak and utterly unstable that it would probably create a chain of failed governments and devolve into civil infighting.
[nation=short]Liberosia[/nation] himself is shocked and appalled at what has been introduced. We need to fight this. We need real change.
My appointment to the position of Manager is interesting. I will of course endeavor to fulfill the duties and enact the designs of our Delegate, however, I would please ask President Pevvania to seek a different nation for the position, as I do not want it. I'll serve the region in the meantime though.
Wise words, CI. Good to see you back for a bit.
Concerning the recent re-foundings: to those who don't understand raiding, what me, Blahbania and Seafield did was re-found the regions. When a region loses all of its nations, it ceases to exist. We re-founded the regions to prevent them falling into communist hands. So this was indeed a small success.
Humble as ever, Lone Star.
[nation=short]The Seafield Islands in Libertatem[/nation] is the new Internal Affairs Manager.
Trust me, Lone Star - were I Delegate I would certainly appoint you to my old position. (*knowingly winks*)
I'm glad to see some older regional conservatives back in the region... The Declaration of Independence says old and respected institutions should not be done away with without really good reasons, like repeated abuse and oppression. I can't seem to find these things in Libertatem.
I second that, Lone Star. I'm yet to hear of a single flaw in the original constitution.
Originally, and I believe Liberosia has written about this, the region was structured like a private company; a business. We were in the business of fighting commies, and the corporate structure worked quite well. Eventually, regions that grow large require more democratic "government", and some small amendment could do some good. But there is a DIFFERENCE between an amendment and restructuring the ENTIRE REGION.
Not only that, but for the longest time I couldn't even find a problem with the non-democratic business model. We were in the business of defending democracy, not abusing it.
Congrats!
I should probably get back to the International Republican Union before the next update. If you have any questions about my history with Libertatem or my thoughts on it, feel free to telegram me.
I'm very glad things are starting to return to how they were before all this nonsense.
I understand that you have started a "war on terany".
Arent we allies?
Anyway I'm here to sort things out.
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SHHH! IM NOGOTIATING!
Needed how?
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1) I was under the impression that Libertatem was founded to fight and reject Communism and all other forms of Authoritarianism. The way wars work in this game are through infiltration of regions so I don't understand why it's a bad thing to reject such nations. For example, I see Libertatem as something like NATO... Now NATO wouldn't include tyrannical countries into the alliance!! Sure turkey and Pakistan aren't the best but we included them hoping they would become more free. But NATO was designed to be an Alliance to fight Warsa Pact Communist. So it makes sense that we should deny authoritarian governments entrance.
2) I only supported the concept of a new constitution because I read the old one and without a Founder that means an entire check and balance system, an entire branch of government is gone giving the Delegate almost supreme power (I actually really like you Pev so don't worry about that but I don't support kings even king and good kings) However, at the same time I understand that we need structure and perhaps there's a few amendments that can be passed to fix things without blowing up the structure. So I am willing to support whatever is chosen as long as we can move away from fighting ourselves and towards fighting authoritarianism.
3) In the real world I am probably younger than most of you but to put things into perspective I've been interested in politics since I was 11 years old and I went to College for politics two years ahead of my graduating class. In those classes I was even able to teach the class. A lot of people thought those were the hardest classes they ever took but it was so easy for me that I only came six times to my International Relations class and scored the highest grade in the class. In Street Law class I won ALL of the Debates i took part in and even won 12-0 on the side of an issue that I didn't really support. I am a scholar of Philosophy, Theology, Economics, and Politics. I've been a member of almost every party under the sun before I even turned old enough to vote. Now I am Conservative but I also believe that workers and consumers should be protected. I am a proponent of Free Market Incentivism. I have been a staunch Anti-Communist in the Real world for Years and I warned about the Economic Collapse a year before it happened (no one listens to 6th graders on monkey bars warning about the Stock Market). I joined this game because I found that there were other people like me who actually cared about politics so that's why I am here. I don't like wasting time so I wouldn't have joined this game for no reason.
So there you have it that's some about me. All I want is to argue against Communists and see if my economic ideas would work in the real world which I can simulate through the Issues I'm given each day. I do not mean to destroy this Region I just want it to work smoothly I don't care if it's through Amendments or a New Constitution
I like you as well, Zion (I speak strongly, but don't take any of it as an indication of my personal feelings. I think ISA has some atrocious ideas, but I still like him as a person) and nobody doubts your intelligence. When I first came here I had a gleam in my eyes for radical reform. But then I realised that my bill, the VOTERR Amendment, was fundamentally incompatible with the region's traditions and systems.
Thanks Pev. Alright let's move forward what are some ideas?
Now, that the whole new constitution business is out of the way and we are all wiser we need to start working on actual reform. I think that we need to work on some sort of amendment to reform the function of the various offices in the "top brass" of the region. I hope that we can all look over the past twenty-four hours and move on to holding hands and singing Kumbaya again.
I'm for that if you make the fire I'll get the marshmallows hahaha
I fell like I deserve a prize for the least safe in the region. (And by a wide margin)
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