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Anyone curious about the lack of executive powers for the Delegate can tg me for the answers.

We are having troubles with UCR?

Good riddance, in my opinion!

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:We are having troubles with UCR?

Good riddance, in my opinion!

Why. They are good democracy.

They can into Libertarianism!!

Einsiev wrote:What the hell is this nonsense?

Buffalo Wild Wings man. I went to eat there.

Liberosia wrote:Anyone curious about the lack of executive powers for the Delegate can tg me for the answers.

Post about it publicly and save us all some time please.

Liberosia wrote:Anyone curious about the lack of executive powers for the Delegate can tg me for the answers.

I'll be honest here. I'm pretty confident there isn't a single person here who isn't curious, so it could be a tad more expedient to just post what happened on the RMB.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Buffalo Wild Wings man. I went to eat there.

Post about it publicly and save us all some time please.

Did you try the hot wings challenge?

Alchandria wrote:PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT!

(YES, THIS WILL BE IN ALL CAPS.)

I am a firm believer in the resurrection of Christ and the meaning of scripture, and I actually agree with most of your points. That being said, this statement was one of the most disrespectful, ill thought out, and just plain childish rants I have seen on this region's message board. It was rude and honestly uncalled for. Furthermore, we are in an period of recruitment and sick posts like this on our RMB won't do us any favors with potential nations.

While I respect your right to post literally anything here, I kindly request you suppress this. I have no issue with this message presented just in the fashion and word choice which was chosen.

Basically Pevv asked me too because of some military threats and I did it. I'm giving him access to Liberosia so Pevv and me still control the region administratively. His power hasn't been unilaterally stripped.

Lack There Of wrote:I am a firm believer in the resurrection of Christ and the meaning of scripture, and I actually agree with most of your points. That being said, this statement was one of the most disrespectful, ill thought out, and just plain childish rants I have seen on this region's message board. It was rude and honestly uncalled for. Furthermore, we are in an period of recruitment and sick posts like this on our RMB won't do us any favors with potential nations.

While I respect your right to post literally anything here, I kindly request you suppress this. I have no issue with this message presented just in the fashion and word choice which was chosen.

I'm a little too busy getting 37 tg's a minute to care or to dig through the RMB to find it. My apologies. Also it has already been quoted rather profusely, so in simple terms, it doesn't matter and I don't care.

Transnitia wrote:It was not my decision. We are a direct democracy, and I was in charge with keeping relations together. Nationalism won over common sense.

Goodbye hypocrites!

Goodbye.

This is either very good, or very bad.

Alchandria wrote:I'm a little too busy getting 37 tg's a minute to care or to dig through the RMB to find it. My apologies. Also it has already been quoted rather profusely, so in simple terms, it doesn't matter and I don't care.

This is your right and I'll respect that.

Transnitia wrote:It was not my decision. We are a direct democracy, and I was in charge with keeping relations together. Nationalism won over common sense.

Goodbye hypocrites!

To be honest I've always felt this was inevitable. We cannot openly endorse a never ending war with no clear objective other than to "eradicate communism" and hold friendly relations with leftist regions, voluntarist or otherwise. After this crisis passes we, as a region, need to seriously reconsider our priorities military and diplomatic.

Lack There Of wrote:To be honest I've always felt this was inevitable. We cannot openly endorse a never ending war with no clear objective other than to "eradicate communism" and hold friendly relations with leftist regions, voluntarist or otherwise. After this crisis passes we, as a region, need to seriously reconsider our priorities military and diplomatic.

Indeed we should.

So how is life going wherever you guys live?

The Time Alliance wrote:Did you try the hot wings challenge?

no It was 60 cent wing night and I got 25 wings. Half honey bbq and half carribean jerk(not my favorite, I thought I'd try it out. Meh.). I also order a little dish of the hottest sauce on the menu and I dipped one of my fries in and I almost died.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:no It was 60 cent wing night and I got 25 wings. Half honey bbq and half carribean jerk(not my favorite, I thought I'd try it out. Meh.). I also order a little dish of the hottest sauce on the menu and I dipped one of my fries in and I almost died.

I took the hot wings challenge in one bite......well. They had a ambulance there. My heart doesn't do that sauce very well.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:no It was 60 cent wing night and I got 25 wings. Half honey bbq and half carribean jerk(not my favorite, I thought I'd try it out. Meh.). I also order a little dish of the hottest sauce on the menu and I dipped one of my fries in and I almost died.

You got to go for the blazin' challenge

Lack There Of wrote:To be honest I've always felt this was inevitable. We cannot openly endorse a never ending war with no clear objective other than to "eradicate communism" and hold friendly relations with leftist regions, voluntarist or otherwise. After this crisis passes we, as a region, need to seriously reconsider our priorities military and diplomatic.

Indeed.

With this situation, I feel it appropriate to quote Caesar, "the die is cast!"

Yes, I read the UCR RMB.

Lack There Of wrote:You got to go for the blazin' challenge

No.

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:Indeed.

With this situation, I feel it appropriate to quote Caesar, "the die is cast!"

Yes, I read the UCR RMB.

What are they saying?

I drank like 2 glasses of milk just to cool me down to levels I could handle. I honestly underestimated the sauce and I more so doused every inch of that fry and I didn't think it was going to be all that bad. I was wrong.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I drank like 2 glasses of milk just to cool me down to levels I could handle. I honestly underestimated the sauce and I more so doused every inch of that fry and I didn't think it was going to be all that bad. I was wrong.

But now you have experienced life

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

The Anti-Corporatist Party supports this Redress.

*releases long held dove of peace

Lack There Of wrote:But now you have experienced life

More so an ordeal

[B]Formal Redress to the Office of the President[/B]

Section 1: Purpose

To make necessary changes to ensure regional security and prosperity.

Section 2: The War on Communism

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, the War on Communism is henceforth suspended on a temporary basis. The fate of said war will be debated at a later date.

Section 3: Defensive Readiness

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, our military will henceforth serve as a solely defensive force. It will work for our region, our possible allies, and existing allies.

Section 4: Foreign Policy

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, our region will henceforth work to expand foreign affairs. In the various forms of more embassies and treaties. We will refrain form creating offensive and burdensome obligations to these embassies and treaties.

Section 5: Population Target

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, our region will henceforth make a target of 100+ population. In order to recover from the recent decline, we must raise our population.

Section 6: Revocation

This redress may be revoked at a later date by another redress to the Office of the President.

Signed:

Humpheria

Lack There Of

Alchandria

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes

Miencraft

Post self-deleted by The Time Alliance.

The Democratic Republican Party supports this Redress.

Humpheria wrote:[B]Formal Redress to the Office of the President[/B]

Section 1: Purpose

To make necessary changes to ensure regional security and prosperity.

Section 2: The War on Communism

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, the War on Communism is henceforth suspended on a temporary basis. The fate of said war will be debated at a later date.

Section 3: Defensive Readiness

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, our military will henceforth serve as a solely defensive force. It will work for our region, our possible allies, and existing allies.

Section 4: Foreign Policy

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, our region will henceforth work to expand foreign affairs. In the various forms of more embassies and treaties. We will refrain form creating offensive and burdensome obligations to these embassies and treaties.

Section 5: Population Target

Due to recent foreign, domestic, and military events, our region will henceforth make a target of 100+ population. In order to recover from the recent decline, we must raise our population.

Section 6: Revocation

This redress may be revoked at a later date by another redress to the Office of the President.

Signed:

Humpheria

Lack There Of

Alchandria

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes

Miencraft

Opposed >:(

We are supposed to be kicking the commies butts, not kissing them.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Opposed >:(

We are supposed to be kicking the commies butts, not kissing them.

....... [Silence Intensifies]

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Opposed >:(

We are supposed to be kicking the commies butts, not kissing them.

Please just stop. This is exactly what they're talking about. Do you not see why we did that?

This sh!t is turning into a giant multifactional, multiregional war.

We do need a time out. However, I think the biggest problem at the moment is one of identification.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:This sh!t is turning into a giant multifactional, multiregional war.

We do need a time out. However, I think the biggest problem at the moment is one of identification.

Kind of the purpose of the redress. I hate to see our founding principle suspended, but it has to be to ensure the proliferation of this region.

Indeed. We must question our region's motive and attempt to do what we feel is right. And right now, we just can't be both an invader and a libertarian region.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Indeed. We must question our region's motive and attempt to do what we feel is right. And right now, we just can't be both an invader and a libertarian region.

*cough neolibertarianism can be both cough*

But I agree.

I meant with our current circumstances.

Can't we just continue raiding Commies?

No offense, WASP, but can you please leave?

No, the Board has ruled that the Libertatem military will not invade anyone for the time being. So, drop it for now. We will fully discuss the War later. But for now, please just drop it. You are feeding the fire that can consume this region and send it to hell. Stop. Just sit back and relax for awhile. It was about time we had a break anyway.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:No offense, WASP, but can you please leave?

Rude much?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:No offense, WASP, but can you please leave?

I agree, you're obviously a puppet, and my patience has run out for everything, and I am just done. Especially with you. So, whoever you are, probably one of our enemies provoking us into war, just leave.

So...

Who is your favorite philosopher?

I am partial to Epicurus.

As I said, I do not intend to be offensive, but the nation in question has left a number of inflammatory comments on our RMB. I don't believe we should entertain these actions, and perhaps we could direct him to a region that might agree with him more.

The Time Alliance wrote:Rude much?

No. No. No. He is not being rude. Sending a puppet into this region is rude. Provoking us is rude. Flashing off inflammatory comments just to do it is rude. Dividing the region is rude. Asking a fool to leave is not rude. It is progress.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:So...

Who is your favorite philosopher?

I am partial to Epicurus.

Ah, he is also my favorite. His hedonistic view on life is his key feature. :)

Republic Of Minerva wrote:So...

Who is your favorite philosopher?

I am partial to Epicurus.

Any philosopher?

I like

Thomas Hobbes

John Locke

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:Ah, he is also my favorite. His hedonistic view on life is his key feature. :)

Indubitably. I am also partial to Descartes, in the Aristotlean tradition.

The Time Alliance wrote:Any philosopher?

I like

Thomas Hobbes

John Locke

Wait, you like both Hobbes and Locke? Their principles were practically opposing! I like Locke, myself.

What do you think of Rousseau?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Indubitably. I am also partial to Descartes, in the Aristotlean tradition.

Eh, Aristotle was a bit of a....

Descartes methodological skepticism was great! :)

I enjoy some of David Hume's philosophy (though not all of it).

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Wait, you like both Hobbes and Locke? Their principles were practically opposing! I like Locke, myself.

What do you think of Rousseau?

They all expound on each other. As for Rousseau I quite like him as well.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Wait, you like both Hobbes and Locke? Their principles were practically opposing! I like Locke, myself.

What do you think of Rousseau?

Rousseau was almost as big of a statist as Hobbes. And came up with the social contract bs. No thanks.

The Time Alliance wrote:They all expound on each other. As for Rousseau I quite like him as well.

I've always found a sort of trinity in the ideals of the three.

Hobbes, he was an apologist of the state, reasoning that people need a government to keep them in line and keep them safe - he called the establishment of this government an unwritten "social contract". He was the oldest of the three. For that, he reminds of fascism.

Rousseau, he was a believer in free will and had a different idea for the "social contract" - that people form organizations to accomplish together what they could not do alone. He reasons that altruism and society are powerful forces. He was the youngest. For that, he reminds me of communism.

And Locke, he had a lot to say about the power of the individual, supported democratic principles, and had the most to say about liberty and responsibility. For that, he reminds me of capitalism. I like him the best.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I've always found a sort of trinity in the ideals of the three.

Hobbes, he was an apologist of the state, reasoning that people need a government to keep them in line and keep them safe - he called the establishment of this government an unwritten "social contract". He was the oldest of the three. For that, he reminds of fascism.

Rousseau, he was a believer in free will and had a different idea for the "social contract" - that people form organizations to accomplish together what they could not do alone. He reasons that altruism and society are powerful forces. He was the youngest. For that, he reminds me of communism.

And Locke, he had a lot to say about the power of the individual, supported democratic principles, and had the most to say about liberty and responsibility. For that, he reminds me of capitalism. I like him the best.

This is an interesting way of thinking about it.

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:Can't we just continue raiding Commies?

He has a point.

Maybe at some point further down the road, but we have other priorities at the moment, that among them repairing our reputation and reconsidering our laws on this matter.

Anyway, my favorite philoshipers are Frank Meyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Meyer_(political_philosopher)

and to a small degree, Leo Tolstoy.

I have but one question to ask.

How does one make a communist into a capitalist?

I was talking about politics with my girlfriend the other day and she was praising Chavez for helping the poor. We had never discussed politics before, but now I feel like it is divisive. We got into a fight over US vs USSR and capitalism vs communism and conservatism vs liberalism. I had no clue she was so liberal, and you could look at her and she didn't look like one or dress like one! :o

I just want her to like me again. :( (but with less communism)

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:He has a point.

I am starting to suspect something fishy...

I am Albul, by the way.

Your chat link is broken.

You can't change others. All you can do is influence them, so be sure to do so in an honest way.

Nacerima wrote:I am starting to suspect something fishy...

I am Albul, by the way.

>:(

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:I have but one question to ask.

How does one make a communist into a capitalist?

I was talking about politics with my girlfriend the other day and she was praising Chavez for helping the poor. We had never discussed politics before, but now I feel like it is divisive. We got into a fight over US vs USSR and capitalism vs communism and conservatism vs liberalism. I had no clue she was so liberal, and you could look at her and she didn't look like one or dress like one! :o

I just want her to like me again. :( (but with less communism)

I would have broken up with her too, if I was you.

Nacerima wrote:Your chat link is broken.

Yeah, we don't use it anymore :P

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:I have but one question to ask.

How does one make a communist into a capitalist?

I was talking about politics with my girlfriend the other day and she was praising Chavez for helping the poor. We had never discussed politics before, but now I feel like it is divisive. We got into a fight over US vs USSR and capitalism vs communism and conservatism vs liberalism. I had no clue she was so liberal, and you could look at her and she didn't look like one or dress like one! :o

I just want her to like me again. :( (but with less communism)

Tell her that the government sets up gambling to prey on the poor through lottery tickets and that a free market is the best way to distribute resources to those who need it.

If she doesn't comply, call her a Stalinist.

Nacerima wrote:I am starting to suspect something fishy...

I am Albul, by the way.

Also I'm just trying to get this region back to its founding principles.

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:I have but one question to ask.

How does one make a communist into a capitalist?

I was talking about politics with my girlfriend the other day and she was praising Chavez for helping the poor. We had never discussed politics before, but now I feel like it is divisive. We got into a fight over US vs USSR and capitalism vs communism and conservatism vs liberalism. I had no clue she was so liberal, and you could look at her and she didn't look like one or dress like one! :o

I just want her to like me again. :( (but with less communism)

You cannot change people, and, surprise, you cannot always tell someone's ideology by their appearance. This makes me ashamed of the human race.

I probably have a capitalist girlfriend, yet I will still love her regardless. If you love something, let it go. If it comes back, then it is yours.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Also I'm just trying to get this region back to its founding principles.

These principles are called greatly into question when we realize many of our targets - far more than we anticipated - are just as supportive as freedom as we are, and do not wish to be oppressed much the same way we don't want the authoritarians to oppress us.

We founded this region in hostile reaction, but what else does this indicate?

Nacerima wrote:I am starting to suspect something fishy...

I am Albul, by the way.

Who let another hippy in?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:You can't change others. All you can do is influence them, so be sure to do so in an honest way.

I was asking for a solution.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:>:(

I would have broken up with her too, if I was you.

Yeah, but I kinda had a relationship with her. But, we're too different. :(

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Tell her that the government sets up gambling to prey on the poor through lottery tickets and that a free market is the best way to distribute resources to those who need it.

If she doesn't comply, call her a Stalinist.

If this doesn't change her, then I don't know what will. :)

Nacerima wrote:You cannot change people, and, surprise, you cannot always tell someone's ideology by their appearance. This makes me ashamed of the human race.

I probably have a capitalist girlfriend, yet I will still love her regardless. If you love something, let it go. If it comes back, then it is yours.

Yet another communist comparing people to things. People are people. Things are things. Humans are hes or shes. Things are its. You are a shame to the human race! If your girlfriend knew how communist you were, then she would leave you immediately and go for someone who is less of a hippy.

I don't plan on staying, just to let you know.

Nacerima wrote:You cannot change people, and, surprise, you cannot always tell someone's ideology by their appearance. This makes me ashamed of the human race.

I probably have a capitalist girlfriend, yet I will still love her regardless. If you love something, let it go. If it comes back, then it is yours.

What if you had a Fascist/Nazi girlfriend?

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:What if you had a Fascist/Nazi girlfriend?

That probably wouldn't happen, considering the fact that she is white and I am not. I mean, if she is fascist/nazi, then I would have her wake up to facts and make her capitalist, at least.

Nacerima wrote:I don't plan on staying, just to let you know.

Then why don't you do us a favor and leave? Your kind isn't welcome here.

That is it! I am off to sleep!

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:Then why don't you do us a favor and leave? Your kind isn't welcome here.

Don't mind him.

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:Then why don't you do us a favor and leave? Your kind isn't welcome here.

...That's almost exactly what many of us here, but in nicer words, have intended to say to you.

I wasn't going to stay. I might as well prevent trouble and leave now.

Lack There Of wrote:To be honest I've always felt this was inevitable. We cannot openly endorse a never ending war with no clear objective other than to "eradicate communism" and hold friendly relations with leftist regions, voluntarist or otherwise. After this crisis passes we, as a region, need to seriously reconsider our priorities military and diplomatic.

This region certainly has enough ideas to stand for something, rather than simply "wage war against communism." One of the areas where Libertatem is getting hit the worst is purely superficial. When nations first see our region, they see the hammer and sickle x'ed out. I do not adhere to communism or even leftism in general, but shouldn't our first impression to the world be what we stand FOR?

As for raiding, I don't support a completely non-interventionist stance for Libertatem, but we could certainly be a bit more discrete about our military activities. Minerva has been doing a swell job so far and our raids against fascist regions has helped to win over a few detractors.

Funkytopia wrote:This region certainly has enough ideas to stand for something, rather than simply "wage war against communism." One of the areas where Libertatem is getting hit the worst is purely superficial. When nations first see our region, they see the hammer and sickle x'ed out. I do not adhere to communism or even leftism in general, but shouldn't our first impression to the world be what we stand FOR?

As for raiding, I don't support a completely non-interventionist stance for Libertatem, but we could certainly be a bit more discrete about our military activities. Minerva has been doing a swell job so far and our raids against fascist regions has helped to win over a few detractors.

Thank you, Funkytopia.

I had created an "alternate" Libertatem flag. Look:

http://i57.tinypic.com/21l8ncw.png

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Thank you, Funkytopia.

I had created an "alternate" Libertatem flag. Look:

http://i57.tinypic.com/21l8ncw.png

That's pretty good. Here's a good one I found:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2ajykhy.jpg

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:That's pretty good. Here's a good one I found:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2ajykhy.jpg

Yeah...i also made that.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:That's pretty good. Here's a good one I found:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2ajykhy.jpg

^^This one is probably more appropriate to Libertatem's stance against authoritarianism in general. However, the image still get's stuck on what we are against, rather than what we are for.

It's actually funny, but I looked online for "universal symbols of freedom/liberty" and I noticed how each image still gave off some connotation (Americanism, pacifism, Rand-ism, secularism, socialism...) that kept them from being truly universal. I realize now that we have no universal symbol of freedom.

Short Address

First of all, for those of you curious, I personally asked the founder to bar executive Delegatial powers. With all that's been going on recently, I think we should be on-guard for the next few weeks from invasion. This motion will improve our security significantly.

Secondly, I support the Board's redress. Despite our chain of military victories as of late, I believe it's time for a cooldown period of peace. Let's improve our domestic affairs, let's enhance our institutions, let's focus on elections. We'll continue the War later, for sure, but now is a good time for a break.

But I think one of our biggest problems is how much we talk about military activities openly on the RMB. It's weakening us and drawing a target for other Communist regions. I'm going to consider somewhat of a ban on overt discussion of military activities on the RMB. I will consult the Board on this matter.

None of you should be alarmed. This is good for our region, and will help us continue strong into the future.

This change might be refreshing for the time being. I also support the boards decision and wish to let them know they have my full support.

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:I have but one question to ask.

How does one make a communist into a capitalist?

I was talking about politics with my girlfriend the other day and she was praising Chavez for helping the poor. We had never discussed politics before, but now I feel like it is divisive. We got into a fight over US vs USSR and capitalism vs communism and conservatism vs liberalism. I had no clue she was so liberal, and you could look at her and she didn't look like one or dress like one! :o

I just want her to like me again. :( (but with less communism)

Apparently one can dress like a Liberal.....m

Does it matter your GF's political views? And Liberal in most countries means Democratic.

White Anglo Saxon Protestants wrote:I have but one question to ask.

How does one make a communist into a capitalist?

I was talking about politics with my girlfriend the other day and she was praising Chavez for helping the poor. We had never discussed politics before, but now I feel like it is divisive. We got into a fight over US vs USSR and capitalism vs communism and conservatism vs liberalism. I had no clue she was so liberal, and you could look at her and she didn't look like one or dress like one! :o

I just want her to like me again. :( (but with less communism)

Accept her for what she is and be amazed.

Muh Roads wrote:Accept her for what she is and be amazed.

Yep!

Muh Roads wrote:Accept her for what she is and be amazed.

....*mumbles* Not since the accident.

Humpheria wrote:....*mumbles* Not since the accident.

I'm afraid to know but going to ask anyway... what?

Humpheria wrote:....*mumbles* Not since the accident.

Huh?

Humpheria wrote:It's a joke.

I laughed don't get me wrong lol

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Rousseau was almost as big of a statist as Hobbes. And came up with the social contract bs. No thanks.

Oh yeah, I remember that time I signed the social contract so that it would bind my actions to the rest of society. *said no one ever

The actual book "the social contract" is also poorly written and highly contradictory.

Getting into a threeway argument about free markets with a republican and a democrat in your family... priceless.

Muh Roads wrote:Getting into a threeway argument about free markets with a republican and a democrat in your family... priceless.

Yes

That is enjoyable.

Muh Roads wrote:Getting into a threeway argument about free markets with a republican and a democrat in your family... priceless.

Tell me about it... There are way too many pragmatists in the world whose ideas aren't pragmatic. Too many judge things just by the sound of them.

I've directed [nation=short]Liberosia[/nation] to close a few more of our property embassies.

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