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I cast my vote FOR the FREE Act.

Hey guys, I just sent in this issue to the mods. It is becoming an issue in the USA, so I decided to make one for NS:

Just hit "PRINT"?

A small group of crypto-anarchists have found ways to fully 3D-Print nearly every part of the BQ-26, a registered illegal weapon.

[option]"These people need to be treated as the criminals they are. Arrest them quickly, before these nuts start making bigger weapons. Think of the children!" cries @@RANDOMNAME@@, a member of the "Gun Wrongs" movement.

[effect]Saying the word "Gun" in public is a criminal offense.

[stats]dramatic drop in civil rights, increase in law enforcement

[option]"But that doesn't stop the problem here: the 3D-Printer has been proven to make weapons!" argues technophobe @@RANDOMNAME@@. "We must start confiscating these weapon crafters!"

[effect]The 3D-Printer has been erased from history.

[stats]slight drop in economy, drop in political freedoms, rise in pacifism and law enforcement

[option]"You can't regulate guns any longer!" Shouts a protester, waving a "Come and Take It" flag. "This should be celebrated! It is essential to step towards liberty!"

[effect]Nearly every citizen of @@NAME@@ owns two or more assault rifles.

[stats]huge increase in civil rights, political freedoms and weaponization. Decrease in compassion and law enforcement

Anyone like it? I'm a huge supporter of the WikiWeapon and Defense Distributed Movement, so I felt we should have this issue.

Use Nationstates issues Solved. Here's a link. http://nssolvedissues.blogspot.com/

Am I the only one confused by that response?

Good issue and good link though.

I am a bit confused. I already sent the issue in, so the Mods can edit how they wish.

That's not what that means, Einsiev.

23/28 citizens, 6/9 gov't, 1/1 Liberosia. We need either 5 or 3, what's it gonna be?

I like that issue! I hope to use it and increase the number of guns per person up from 207 :P

@Liberosa

(I also forgot Confederate was a government member, that would make it 6/9. *facepalm*)

XD

Oh sorry. Thought is was your issue you were deciding on. Sorry.

As for Liberosia's...interesting...telegram on the bitcoin, I'd like to say that online currencies are nothing new, and are already full-fledged participants in the private sector. Those Linden dollars from Second Life? Real currency. Heck, you can even (against terms of service) trade RuneScape gold for real-life currency - though, that's more gray-market than white and the vendors aren't reliable.

The economy could use some monetary diversity.

Well, the economy could use a lot of things:

Less government.

Why do mega-corps exist? Because they are protected by laws.

Why do we have inflation? People destroying the individual's labors by printing money.

Why does "capitalism" fail? Corporatism.

I believe now truly in Voluntarism. And Agorism.

Seriously. The government is in good with the big corporations, yet the liberals say we need more regulation on small businesses to scare the corporations away.

Yeah right. Effin' liars.

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I believe in a Voluntary Society. Why do we need a monopoly on murder, theft, coercion and other initiations of force that labeled with euphemisms like "national security", "taxation", "the common good" and "equality" to tell us what we can and can not do with our life, liberty and property naturally given to us by nature/our creator?

We need to start with voluntary education, post haste. The government's "superiority" (pfft, homeschooling is statistically superior, of course) in schooling permits them to drive families apart, freely discriminate against children because of their age, and indoctrinate them with pro-government ideals. This needs to be fixed before society is further blinded by the U.S. government.

Schools are government run indoctrination centers. They teach you "you need to be aggressed to be free" and counter the ideals of true freedom through voluntary action.

I can't help but notice your Anarcho Capitalist flag NST. I'm an Anarchy supporter too.

Thanks, Einsiev. Good to know people understand what the state is.

Here's my factbook defending economic reason from statists:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_sea_territory/detail=factbook/id=126072

I can't stand our government in the USA. Obama can't do a single thing right and never lives up to his promises. I'm tired of this crap.

I've said it for so long: The USA is a one nation under the media-controlling, government-funded corporatist state known and named by Benito Mussolini as Fascism.

It is not a democracy. Democracy on a American scale is a dead myth. The American Dream: You have to be asleep to believe it!

I totally agree. We don't need a government If there's a bunch of stupid officials in D.C that can't agree on anything.

Vote for Nobody!

Nobody will solve your problems! Nobody care about you and your family! Nobody will help the poor! Nobody2016!

NOBODY! Complete freedom!

Very Good. I assume the green stands for the 3x A? Agorism?

Nevertheless, very good.

No. Not agorism. But thanks.

Agorism's modern intent is good: standing up to government by telling them they have no right to govern my actions.

But it's actual philosophy isn't like voluntarism.

I see, yet I'm a straight up Anarcho Syndicalist.

Yep. I am a full-blown Anarchist now. Voluntarist to be exact.

I don't mind a minarchist state, but anarchy is usually preferable. More so than the corporatist democracpy of America....

Finally, someone with some sence.

I vote Miencraft for the next Chairman.

Anarchy...like the thing where there are no laws?

So...who punishes the bad people?

I got this telegram from Yankee Empire:

The Authoritarian State of Yankee EmpireThe Authoritarian State of Yankee Empire → LiberosiaLiberosia

2 minutes ago

It should be Heartening collectivist economics are the only ones thatmake sense in relation to a civilization.

Us. Well in my version. Goodnight fellow allies.

Ok. Anarchy is definitely not rule without rules. That is what the state wants you to believe. It is simply rule without rulers.

In voluntarism specifically, everything is of voluntary consent and free of force (aggression) from the state (coercion, murder, fraud and theft).

You have natural rights that are absolute until you violate another's natural rights. Then your's are forfeited by being the aggressor.

You will need to know the basics of the Non-Aggression Principle, the Principle of Self-Ownership and how the state truly is a monopoly of violence.

You should watch this, and a few more videos by Adam Kokesh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5lhkNUtkBA

For the sake of national lore, I'm not going to alter the official currency, but I suppose I will make BitCoins a recognized currency that can be used to make any purchase.

No way I will change my currency, the Spinoguilder is almost the most valueble currency in the region! Furthermore I wish you all the luck with the BitCoin Liberosia!

@GFR

If you can get over this wall of propaganda-without rulers we will break out in violence-your mind opens up to how government really does violate the rights of everyone everywhere.

You need to watch Adam Kokesh on Youtube. The guy really explains anarchism, specifically ancap voluntarism,.

GFR you are entitled to your opinion. We just don't give a f*ck

Ugh.......that is not the way to look at it.

We need to educate people not "the state is evil" but, "hey, look how much better we will be if we get rid of this moral exception to violence!"

Then people will be a lot nicer and nobody will live under fear.

Exactly.

The only fears they will have will be rational, naturally occurring ones. You will never fear what you say, because no authority will take away you natural right to say it.

Where has anarchy worked?

It has never been given the chance to work.

True anarchy has rarely existed. The anarcho-communism you see in many cases is not real anarchy because they initiate force to force their ideas on another, which is the opposite of the freedom anarchy represents.

Let me see if I can grasp this...could anarchy possibly be the end result of a government that slowly shrinks over time?

Yep. That's how I would like to transition to anarchy.

We go from modern neo-corporate democracy to limited democracy, to confederal structure, to absolute minarchism (objectivism) to voluntarist anarchism.

Then true liberty has been achieved.

All right, I can see your reasoning. So over time, people would be so conditioned to voluntarism and the capitalist structure that little to no evil would exist because society would be based on a deeply ingrained tradition of honoring contracts and respecting property rights.

Well, yes. In a sense.

It is respect of natural rights. The idea that freedom can not be infringed upon. That means any act of aggression, which is asserting authority over another being, is against this freedom we wish to respect.

So, yes. It would take at least......fifty to one hundred years, if we started today, to transfer to this voluntary society.

I don't believe such a society is possible.

I don't see how. It really boils down to getting over the huge idea that it can't work, and at least attempting to explore it's possibilities before judging it as impossible.

Like communism. It CAN work, it just isn't preferable to us. You need to accept that almost every major political ideology actually does work in some sense, otherwise we wouldn't debate them (like: national liberalism, neo-primitivism). Those are minute and obviously not realistic because the free market of ideology prefers the better products. What are these? Modern examples are democratic socialism, social democracy, American democracy and libertarianism. Those are major political standpoints on the table right now.

They thing is, I don't believe communism can ever work. I believe, and know, that there will always be people who are destructive, despite what you might hope for. These people need to be punished, and government is the tool upon which we can live safely.

No. If there are destructive people who abuse power, why would we create an engine for them to use their destructive powers on by investing all our authority in it? Look at Hitler. Destructive. And Government was his tool of being destructive.

And these destructive people in a voluntary society would most likely aggress someone, then be genuinely punished by justified self defense, be it privatized arrest or a bullet to the head.

What if a corporation wishes to make itself the government? Perhaps it decides that more money can be made through coercion, so it seeks to gain a monopoly on coercive force, implanting not a monarchist government (my ideal government which has a great many checks), but an authoritarian government that has a large percentage of the economy (due to the company making its market share the government).

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_sea_territory/detail=factbook/id=126072

Those corporations only exist because economic regulation protects them. And if a corporation declares itself government, it aggresses every other corporation and individual, who probably wouldn't like that. Resistance would be huge.

The whole point of voluntarism is to truly free the market. Monopolies are existent because they maneuver in and out of regulations to create barriers for innovators.

Anarchy fails when men put down their guns and cease exercising their rights, if only for a millisecond, allowing enough time for a totalitarian state to storm in.

Minarchy bands the people together to defend everyone from criminals and foreign invasion. For that reason, I prefer minarchy. Government as a partner, not a ruler.

23/28 citizen votes, 6/9 gov't votes, and 1/1 founder votes for the FREE Act. We are this close to ensuring an even more streamlined government in Libertatem...who will be the next to voice their support?

Minarchy is good. Just about the only form of government that has any respect for liberty.

But anarchy functions on the free market. The market will stay free because that much competition will not allow any one company to truly dominate for any significant period of time, and innovations will always be made. And in true anarchy, rights are absolute until another's are violated, so I can assure you gun enthusiasts would never put down their guns, and the average man would enjoy the most freedom he could possibly have in the civilized world.

You underestimate the ravenous desire of criminals and the authoritarian whims of foreign armies.

This is why first and foremost the voluntarist movement in not American but worldwide.

Second, private security could easily beat out "foreign armies" because the free market will logically select the best fitted to defende through natural selection in an economic sense. A group of these contracted to defend whole communities, who by the way have off the charts weaponization due absolute gun rights, would severely deter and want to invade. There would literally be two guns behind every blade of grass.

Also, criminals aggress another, therefore exerting their authority and violating the rights of another sovereign being. They therefore forfeit their rights and will probably be killed (in a hefty crime) or forced to pay for damages. Private security also could in a sense replace the courts.

Kind of boring to listen to, but this explains the idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE9dZATrFak

Criminal punishment still requires some form of justice system; an inherently governmental concept because it enforces "the law". Are you saying that the economy itself is responsible for producing its own sub-government? Interesting concept, but needlessly complicated.

Justice is biased. If two competing defense firms get in a disagreement, will they shoot it out or try to reach a rational, cheap decision?

It will essentially create a private court scenario where a private arbitrator is hired to make the decision similar to a judge.

Let's take it from the great Miss Ayn Rand:

http://www.aynrandanswers.com/2012/09/is-objectivisms-political-philosophy.html

In addition,

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/anarchism.html

"Look at Hitler. Destructive."

If Hitler did not destroy Jews and betray Russia (so early) I could easily be sitting here speaking German and eating bratwurst.

Ideas like this can work if the right people work with them.

Ideas. Ideas are more powerful than anything.

With an Idea, I can convince millions to jump off a bridge and like it.

Yes... you could tell them Jesus is sitting on the other side with Gatorade and cup-cakes. The RIGHT ideas can work, the sane ones.

No. An idea is a seed you plant in someone's mind to subject them to your own POV.

Don't think about Elvis. Who do you think abut immediately? Elvis.

Any idea can be planted into another mind and can completely redefine that person. As anarchism has done with me.

Wow...did you get that from Inception?

Yep. That's what the whole movie is about: making an idea seem self-generated to exploit the person.

I remove myself from the FFS

Welcome, brother! Out of the looter paradise?

I'm thinking about starting the Anarcho-Capitalist party.

I did not think about Elvis honestly I think about the song Blue Suede Shoes. No joking.

Lol I thought about Elvis. It seems the most effective way to keep someone from thinking about Thing 1 would be to tell them to not think about Thing 2. *shrugs*

I don't listen to Elvis.

Confederate People:

That's a lie. To actually acknowledge my statement and completely avoid thinking about Elvis, you would have to think about not thinking about Elvis. Therefore, you still thought about Elvis.

Here's how it relates to politics: "Don't think about anarchy, because it is so violent". Then people think about this idea of a Mad Max world that was subjected to them via an outside force and forced into their mind. Anarchy does not advocate lawlessness. People who do are called "hipsters" or "rebels" and they do it as a social trend.

"23/28 citizen votes, 6/9 gov't votes, and 1/1 founder votes for the FREE Act. We are this close to ensuring an even more streamlined government in Libertatem...who will be the next to voice their support?"

"GFR you are entitled to your opinion. We just don't give a f*ck"

We don't give a f*ck about your opinions either, douchebag.

I'll just use this flag for a while.

""GFR you are entitled to your opinion. We just don't give a f*ck""

"We don't give a f*ck about your opinions either, douchebag."

You just basically re-stated my statement. Thank you. Nobody gives a rats-a*s what others say but we are all entitled to say it.

Einsiev, I'd like to say that your classification is an oxy-moron. How can it be an ancap state? There is no state in anarchy.

As for me, I am a voluntarist confederation of united voluntarily participating individuals.

Exceptional point, NST.

Look up Anarcho Capitalism.

I'm leaving for the United Federation of States. I'll be back soon.

I got invited, but I don't know.

Some people there are libertarian, but not minarchic. I'd rather have minarchy or anarchy.

I got invited as well I am not leaving seeing as how I don't want to stay there. I only move to find good permanent (until dangerous) homes.

To anyone receiving messages to join the new United Federation of States, please inform me who asked you to join.

With abstentions from members of the Board, and one vote for Miencraft for the new Chairman, I hereby declare...

...Miencraft to be the new Chairman of the Board. Congratulations Chairman, I look forward to working with you.

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