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Region: Libertatem
Ok, Liberosia. I understand now what it means. Thanks
I think that this is funny the coincidence that these words have the same few letters "comm"ie "com"rade!
THEY ARE ALL COMMIERADES!!!
XD
Now the commies are com-spiring against us. What a com-nundrum.
Post self-deleted by Celophex.
Hi FFS guy. :)
That there is Pxoria, and we are getting friendlier with him now. However, he and NST are still going back and forth, so they may be having an RP war.
DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO WAR WITH FFS. This has nothing to do with our regions, just these two nations in an RP.
Cool, a spectator sport. Popcorn, anyone?
We, Pxoria hereby issues a Deceleration of War on The New Sea Territory. This will be a RP war with an RP thread. NST can bring in allies as many as he wants. I can too however.
NST: Please be sure to read the factbooks of all nations that become involved, including mine to see what we both will face. It will make things a hell of a lot easier.
THIS WILL BE A RP THREAD WAR, NOT ON LIBERTATEM'S OR FFS RMBs!
A clash between the military gurus of two well-populated capitalist regions. Who will win?
I've changed my mind, Pxoria. At preset times, you could have this RP on our RMB if you like. It could be really interesting.
Cool!
Fine. But I have one other nation coming here as my ally. Just so you know.
As many as you want.
Know that this nation, for all intents and purposes is now Pxoria.
If only I had my laptop I could check my nation's stats and devise a role play military of my own.
Noted
Ok. The war is happening here.
If it is going to happen (NST agrees to it) sure, it can be here. It should spill over into FFS a little bit, too, though.
No. That can't happen. Otherwise it will turn into a huge mess. I am just saying, the RP will be on this RMB, yet the war will be in the territory of our two nations.
All right, fine. Please invite people to move into Libertatem as spectators for this glorious fight.
I have a few people coming as allies. Other than that, the only other I know of are going to watch from a distance.
ALL NATIONS THAT WILL ALLY WITH PXORIA, TG THIS NATION!
Scheinfeld here
I have to go now so I will be back when I can.
Post self-deleted by The Redneck Republics.
Hello everyone :)
I guess I will get the ball rolling...
*A plain, casually dressed man travels through the streets of New Sea Territory. He carries a pitch black briefcase. The rude population constantly bumps shoulders with him and shouts vulgarities. He constantly has to fight off would-be muggers with his concealed 28 gauge shotgun pistol. As he wanders around he sees many examples of vigilante justice, citizens stepping in to kill a robber of a store or beats a pickpocket. On one hand, he admires the justice of this nation, but that is outweighed by the sheer criminality of this backwards country. He, particularly because he is in a huge industrial city, has to be careful to the toxic parts of the barren industrial center. He landscape is particularly inhospitable, not unlike his country, but his country has reservations of forests.
He arrives at a water treatment facility. He pulls out a security ID card at the gate. He inserts it into a ID Card scanner and it is approved. He walks briskly through the hallways and offices until he finds his station in the maintenance area. He dons his worn denim jumpsuit. And walks out, with his briefcase, to the water storage tanks. These tanks supply the civilian population with their tap water. He works normally until it is near the end of his shift. He now, when all of the other workers are in the maintenance area, opens the briefcase. He pulls out 6 1L containers of floating purple gel. This gel contains the deadliest toxin known to mankind: Botulinum Toxin. he puts an entire 1L container of the gel into each of the storage tanks and activates each tanks mixing agitator. This purple gel dissolves into a clear liquid not distinguishable from the water. He reactivates the pumps and walks out for the exit.
The Pxorian Spy has completed his task. So begins a war.
Many citizens cheer for the Great Emporer.
A flourish of trumpets...
Harken, bromades! A slow-paced raid is occurring in a certain communist region. I shall take power today or tommorow via winning a Delegacy Election.
I need as many endorsers as I can get to overpower my opponent. He's not exactly the full quid, but he's quite paranoid and would be quick to call out a coup. He also has nearly as many endorsements as I do. I need at least six endorsements to gain a comfortable lead over the opponent and cement my power.
I'll stress again that this raid is quite slow-paced, but the region in question is very important to Operation: Rising Inferno. For those of you wishing to quickly and easily topple a region, help NST. But if you want to help with a major raid (that could take 1-2 months), TG me.
Well, TG me the region
Also, what's Operation Rising Inferno? Because i have only been active recently.
That's classified, I'm afraid. It's a high-level document to be shared on a need-to-know basis only.
Wait, what? Ok. I'm a bit busy. Between this and other stuff, it's too much. I can't RP this.
I really wish I had my laptop now.
They all say they are "busy" when they don't to face an enemy. Seen it too many times.
Or maybe he's actually busy.
I still think NST should change his mind. This event is sponsored by CI Sodas, the 4th best in the region.
I HATE looter governments! I'm looking at you, Australia!
Post self-deleted by Aboriginal North Australia.
Hey guys, how does this idear sound. Eliminating the Board so that there is only a Chairman and he is elected by the region.
I am back. Sorry I was away for so long.
Disagree with that idea, Liber. There should be some form of a higher legislature.
And welcome back Bavaria! ^_^
I disagree. We must have checks on our power.
Not a good idea, Liberosia. We need that Board for judicial purposes.
I'd personally like to see the whole board elected.
"Hey guys, how does this idear sound. Eliminating the Board so that there is only a Chairman and he is elected by the region."
1. Put it to a vote.
2. How often would elections be?
Snabagag, as a ancap? Checks on the monopoly of force? Impossible!
Erm... If this is an argument take it outside. (TG)
I do agree, NST...but...let this slide just this one time.
Just for the purpose of speculation, how Do you think a completely anarchist region would function?
No founder. The Delegate position is frequently usurped and then abolished. FRA often comes to oust dictators and raiders. God I hate those bastards.
Doesn't sound like a great structure... I'd like to hear an anarchist's opinion too. Snabagag or NST? Thoughts?
I'm running the IRU kind of laissez-faire, and I can say it would need a much bigger population count to be as productive as a small region with totalitarian sympathies. It is important to strike a balance between idealism and realism (realism meaning NationStates mechanics).
NST... awaiting your response still.....
You all know my feelings on Anarchy so....
Well, let's see. The Founder actually makes their position and WA Delegate position non-executive, and so there is no government rule. Raidings are useless, and the region is more vulnerable to RMB spam and all, and only the mods are powerful enough to stop them. No, i hate an anarchist region.
If the founder position is made un-executive it makes the Delegate position always executive. It is one or the other.
I am pretty sure that when you create a region, it has an option on whether the Founder can access regional control.
EVERYONE! I know that I am only here to wage total war on the despicable New Sea Territory, but I am speaking as Pxoria now and I need you all to listen!
I am embarking on what is probably the most ambitious, if somewhat insane, campaign to ever cross NationStates!
I want to Disband the General Assembly.
I think it is the General Assembly that is the problem. I do not see why people do not support the idea that the GA is problematic. I know that people will say "well why not just resign if you do not want it to affect you..." I will tell you why: there are too many adverse affects if you do. You weaken your regions defenses against invaders or raiders should one of those regions come. It weakens your region's stance in the Security Council, which serves as a useful tool to all of NS. Just look at the kind of support it drummed up for the TSP campaign. Being a member of the WA should not mean "I sign on to bend over and take it from the commies and socialists"! I think it is time to show that there are capitalist nations on NS too. I want to be in the WA for my region's sake. I want to influence the Security Council by voting for legitimate and righteous liberations and condemnations. I do not want to be held hostage by some hippie nation that wants to ban my nation from cutting down trees if I do not want to or some commie that thinks that making welfare a right and mandatory will help our economies. This is not a well thought out speech. I am just getting sick of people that think it is idiotic to go after one of the main enemies to capitalism and democratic rights.
I hope that you all can realize what kind of danger the GA poses. I am sure that ALL of your economies have been affected by the GA at some point. Hell, it might not be your economy. I have had my civil rights and political freedoms adversely affected by the moronic legislation of the GA. As the "Restricting Free Speech" proposal might have suggested. It got 15 endorsements before the time ran out on it. Someday, something truly dangerous to our way of governance is going to pass.
I am speaking as a Representative of the FFS Federal Assembly, asking you to support my mission. I am fully willing to answer any questions.
Well here I am back again. I have been extremely busy. Just saying hello.
@Celophex, the General Assembly certainly does suck, but it's an integral part of NSG and it would be very, very, very difficult even partially dissolving it.
It is ridiculous how liberal the GA can be a times. I quit after it just became stupid. We were ruling on whether or not to force everyone to contribute a statue of their leader to the WA "Statue Garden". Really? That won't even affect the game! One thing that really made me mad was that if you are under 17 you are not allowed to even touch a firearm. They passed it.
That's a good one Pxoria.
From a roleplay perspective I can see your concern, but in terms of gameplay it is ridiculous to even hope to get rid of it.
EVERYONE! I know that I am only here to wage total war on the despicable New Sea Territory, but I am speaking as Pxoria now and I need you all to listen!
I am embarking on what is probably the most ambitious, if somewhat insane, campaign to ever cross NationStates!
I want to Disband the General Assembly.
I think it is the General Assembly that is the problem. I do not see why people do not support the idea that the GA is problematic. I know that people will say "well why not just resign if you do not want it to affect you..." I will tell you why: there are too many adverse affects if you do. You weaken your regions defenses against invaders or raiders should one of those regions come. It weakens your region's stance in the Security Council, which serves as a useful tool to all of NS. Just look at the kind of support it drummed up for the TSP campaign. Being a member of the WA should not mean "I sign on to bend over and take it from the commies and socialists"! I think it is time to show that there are capitalist nations on NS too. I want to be in the WA for my region's sake. I want to influence the Security Council by voting for legitimate and righteous liberations and condemnations. I do not want to be held hostage by some hippie nation that wants to ban my nation from cutting down trees if I do not want to or some commie that thinks that making welfare a right and mandatory will help our economies. This is not a well thought out speech. I am just getting sick of people that think it is idiotic to go after one of the main enemies to capitalism and democratic rights.
I hope that you all can realize what kind of danger the GA poses. I am sure that ALL of your economies have been affected by the GA at some point. Hell, it might not be your economy. I have had my civil rights and political freedoms adversely affected by the moronic legislation of the GA. As the "Restricting Free Speech" proposal might have suggested. It got 15 endorsements before the time ran out on it. Someday, something truly dangerous to our way of governance is going to pass.
I am speaking as a Representative of the FFS Federal Assembly, asking you to support my mission. I am fully willing to answer any questions.
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NST has my support in this B.S. "war". Why pray-tell are you declaring war on a member of your region. If you really are doing this, get out.
Post self-deleted by Confederate People Of The United States.
Actum! How have you been?
Uh, CP - NST and Pxoria are supposed to be in a roleplaying war, but Pxoria is talking about petitioning the World Assembly to completely disband the General Assembly, something I think can't and possibly shouldn't be done.
I am in a roleplay war with NST. Only way to wage a war between two countries. Anything else would be a regional invasion, and that's just plain stupid. Would be nice if NST would stop being a pansy and reply to my first post...
I am not pettioning a disbanding of the GA. I want enough support on so when I make my speech on the WA Forums, I will have a flood of support to help get it done. It will not affect the mechanics one bit, since I am not removing the entire WA, just the unessessary and dangerous GA. After I have enough WA Delegate support, I will write a grand resolution to duisband the GA. I am currently gathing allies for this, even getting banned from entire regions because of my efforts. With your help, I can turn this into a grand crusade.
I should be done if you appreciate your capitalism, free market economies, and your democratic rights. Explain to me why we should not rip out the main weapon the commies and socialists have in harming our world. Hell, even the hippies and enviro-crazies have power in the GA.
This isn't about capitalism. The communist think the GA caters to fascists, the fascists think all of the GA regulations are too capitalist, and we capitalists think the amount of socialism is staggering. Everyone secretly hates the GA because the mob rules it, so why not just ask EVERYONE?
I despise federalism. It's destroying Europe and enacting silly multicultural, socialistic laws on countries that don't want them, and seems to believe that 'one size fits all', economically. This genius policy has led to the collapse of the Southern European economies, including Greece and Spain. Judicially, the EU thinks it can make decisions that a nation's own legal system can make for itself. They forced the UK to let a terrorist off the hook, for f*ck's sake!
You Yanks don't know how good you have it. You complain about the government interfering in matters where it isn't needed and shouldn't be, yet here in England we're forced to respect the authority of a higher regional power.
It's pretty pathetic.
Federalism, market socialism, and fascist corporatism, I suspect, are all one and the same. I think the problems we're having in the U.S. are being planned by supporters of the EU.
We need to turn this around for all our sakes.
Federalism is not centralism. It's the balance and division of powers.
We take federalism, in this instance, not to mean the existence of a federal government but the support of a strong central government. So, yeah, centralism is probably the right term.
My mistake, Liber.
And I agree, Idealism. America, better still, the world needs another Reagan to rejuvenate the economy, recapture the spirit of individualism and respect the rights of individual states. I fear that the US is steadily becoming more socialist.
It's a pity the world doesn't have more Reagans.
We are pretty much socialist now with a capitalist facade. I now that because I can be certain Hilary Clinton will run. She is just as much, if not MORE of a liar than Obama. If she runs, she will win. She will put the nails in the coffin of America. Cap and Trade will be brought up again. The Affordable Care Act will make sure that we cannot have reliable healthcare. The Financial Reform Act will destroy our financial system. Call me crazy, but we are all to clo0se to the end.
Only America could produce Reagans. No one else in the world is capable of having such a leader.
It's worse than simple market socialism - this is socialism with an emphasis on state power: sociofascism, if you will. The liberals are in good with the corporations, while the conservatives are trying to defend the interests of small and big businesses alike.
Ok, there I disagree. America is still a liberal democracy, as it has been for God-knows how long. Core socialism is the transferral of the means of production from the hands of business owners and free marketeers to the control of the workers, who collectively share in the profits. However, the term has been applied to different usages over the years, and in any form of it's existence I've never seen it work well.
The bottom line is that although the US government has shifted more towards statism and elements of social democracy in recent years through Obamacare and, *shudder*, the Federal Reserve, you ain't seen nothing yet. If you guys think that America is socialist, then Europe is a mini-Soviet Union.
Actually, although it is far off, China is becoming more free every day. It's come a long way since Mao.
Yeah, China's slowly getting there.
Politically, it still has everything to be desired. However, economically, their mercantilist economy is becoming more free market every day: small businesses are getting some solid growth their because they are sorely needed.
Being a prominent government official here but a founder somewhere else is kind of difficult.
I'd take another Margaret Thatcher just as soon as another Reagan. I think America's current downslide will only be reversed by war or collapse. Whichever it is, it won't be pretty.
I see another world war coming. Once it gets out that we have been also hacking China's accounts, it will be only a matter of time. There will be another World warf ion our lifetime. this one, WILL be the last, rest assured. Though it will not be they way we want it to end. Iran, North Korea, they are just puppets to the real enemy to the West: Russia and China.
Russia certainly is a threat and unless something is done there to promote democracy and Western values it will continue to be in the near-future.
I disagree about China, though. It's only recently discovered how powerful it can become through the free market and it would not commit trade suicide by going to war with the US. The same goes for America; whether they like it or not, both countries need each other.
And as you said, Liberosia, China is improving every day, and its ties with America will continue to strengthen. Hopefully one day they'll get a Gorbachev, and Tibet will finally be free.
Yes, because hacking each other is going to improve relations SO great...
It's an issue that will need to be confronted sooner or later. Looking at things like trade and North Korea, the two nations are getting along great. It's dissapointing, however, that Obama has decided to sidestep the issue.
Personally, I think that we should take the fight TO North Korea. I think that China's little pet is going to do something stupid one day, so we should stop them before something REALLY bad happens. We would be liberating those people. Hell, all we would need to do to start a revolution is carpet bomb them with big macs and pictures of the Walmart grocery section.
It would also send a message to China that we are not the pushovers that they think us to be.
I think it's about bloody time that that Orwellian hell-hole is toppled. North Korea's nuclear plants should all be eliminated in a series of air strikes, which will probably incite a reaction from them. That'll give the US and South Korea the excuse it needs to cross the DMZ.
Regardless, the biggest problem that you'd face after the war would end would be the people of North Korea. There'd be a huge refugee problem in China, and a large part of the population would be psychologically damaged from being brought up their entire life on a set of beliefs held sacred to them only for them to be torn down.
It would also cost billions to properly reunify north and south. This is why many South Korean politicians have dodged the issue nearly as much as those in the North do.
Or maybe we could just let North Korean generals do the work for us by killing Kim Jong-Un.
Thanks for the info CI.... I feel like a dumbass now...
>"feel"
Just kidding :P
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Since there are some Australians in the house, you guys are at least closer to North Korea's 50 foot missile range. How does your situation differ from ours?
Considering it is a 50 foot range I'd imagine that's "not at all".
I'm just waiting for NK to screw up and send a missile all the way around the world, inevitably nuking Kim Jong-Un.
You know it's gonna happen.
Lawl
I agree that North Korea is a threat to regional security, but China has lost its patience and tolerance to their neighbor. If the Juche state even makes the full attempt to destabalize the region. China will send its army and wipe kims government off the face of the earth. Let alone the U.S., South Korea, or UK. Also America has been in tougher situations, such as the Civil War and The Great Depression. Remember America is what you make of it and has always been. We just have had a terrible generation leading. We will shape up, but we wont be the largest economy, but second to China. Our Military will stay strong, but will equal our future ally, China. We will prevail, but the road is not paved, so it will be a bumpy ride.
China's been slipping in recent years. It was thought five years ago by economic experts that they'd have a stranglehold over the economy by 2030, but now they aren't so sure.
Off the Korea subject. Do you guys think that If we would assisted the French when thy were in Vietnam , the would could have been won?
If we carpet-bombed Vietnam from the very beginning and brought the pain on North Vietnam's army before they had a chance to do that guerrilla warfare crap, we would have won. Ah, oh well - too many peace advocates didn't want there to be any bloodshed during the war.
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