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Region: Libertatem
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Pleeeease?
Hi.
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I present the new flag of Libertatem: http://i62.tinypic.com/20ayo1u.jpg
Our week is up, a referendum should be held immediately.
Hallo Island, The United Libertarian American Republic
Understood.
And since there are no other flag proposals, I guess it's between your flag and our current flag. I'll open a two-day poll.
The United Libertarian American Republic
Should be simple enough.
ÜberKaiser Pev won't allow that great new flag Minerva. ......
The United Libertarian American Republic
Blue to represent tradition, our old flag, and the cause of capitalism,
Yellow to represent classical liberalism and libertarianism, progressivism, and optimism,
Black to represent individualism, self-governance, and minimal statism or anarchism.
The snake to represent defiance, and the libertarian ideal of self-defense.
The flag not of the tea party, but of the original libertarians, the militiamen who first flown the flag in defiance of Great Britain's taxes, conscription, and disrespect for property rights.
And the ultimate ideal, Do Not Tread On Me, Come and Take It, and Strike the Root. All impounded in one philosophy: the non-aggression principle.
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Pevvania
Morning all.
As I've said for ages, national consumption taxes do indeed lead to higher taxes:http://utopiayouarestandinginit.com/2015/03/31/tax-reform-leads-to-higher-taxes-the-evidence-on-the-gst/
Republic Of Minerva
I motion the Board to vote on waiving Humpheria's citizenship waiting period, based on his prior residency here.
I vote AYE.
Hallo Island
Sometime soon, yes.
Pev, what do you think of Rand Paul?
I liked him better when he wasn't gunning for the presidency, but I still see him as the most principled, the most pro-freedom and the most noninterventionist presidential candidate. I think he has a very good chance of beating the establishment GOP and a good chance of beating Hillary in the general.
Alderney And Liberty City
As much as I like me a good Gadsden Flag, I can not support the adoption of your standard.
Your flag simply fails to communicate the most fundamental aspect of our region. Sure, pretty much all of us here are minarchists or conservatives, libertarians or ancaps. Are these things the very core of our region? Are these things, by themselves, the keystone of our regional identity? Is it enough to say "we're libertarians"?
No, my friend, those things are not the very core of our region. No, those things do not form the keystone of our region. And no, it is not enough simply to say "we're libertarians." Our region is, indeed, one of a right-wing nature, however our region is one that is distinct from all others. We are not just another Laissez Faireholme, or some other stock-libertarian region. I concede, your flag could serve some other region very well. Ours, however, it can not.
The War on Communism is what separates our community from those other libertarian regions. The War on Communism makes us unique. The War on Communism is the very heart of our community. The War on Communism is the keystone of our region, upon which our entire being relies. The War on Communism is our region. Without it, who are we? Without it, we are nothing, because we are the War on Communism.
Your flag fails to illustrate the most important aspect of our region. Our current flag very accurately represents the War on Communism and, indeed, our region. Therefore, I assert that we must maintain our current banner, in order to accurately portray our region and its struggle against the red hordes of NationStates. I urge all citizens to stand up for our region, to stand up for our War on Communism. We must, collectively, issue a resounding "No" to Minerva's proposed flag.
I leave these words with you all, in hopes that we may continue to fly the glorious banner of the War on Communism.
Good Bless,
[nation=short]The New United States[/nation]
Miencraft, Liberosia, Pevvania, Muh Roads
Actually, it's pretty safe to say that a large part of our regional identity could be derived from each of our individual political leanings, but I'll keep reading.
Perhaps we need a more freedom-centric flag, considering Libertatem is Latin fo...
...HAHAHAHAHA! Oh, now I see what you're getting at. Hilarious.
No, it really isn't what makes us unique. Damn near every non-leftist in the game has some quarrel with the communists - anti-communism, taken by itself, is almost as mundane and commonplace as anti-fascism. If you meant our war in terms of a blanket struggle against all of totalitarianism, mhm, maybe, but that's still hardly what makes us special. And even if it were, what exactly is Minerva's flag taking away from this identity? "Don't tread on me" has been our policy for dealing with collectivist aggressors since the beginning, has it not?
His flag does illustrate the most important aspect of our region: Freedom. That is the word from which we derive our region's name, and unlike the many regions that only pay lip service to it, it has special meaning to us. Our political system graduated from an autocratic business model to a democratic republic. We once used our military to strike against all of leftism and to sympathize with the fascists, but now we have grown to challenge all authoritarians in the service of libertarians. We have become tolerant of various ideologies and supportive of offering our citizens greater freedoms - our legislature has seen and answered many proposals to extend our liberties, including our right to hold this very referendum.
Our current flag represents our zealous first quest, sure.
But Minerva's flag represents our very name.
Republic Of Minerva
I think our commitment to preserving liberty at home, in real life and abroad, which encompasses anti-statism, makes us great.
The new flag idea is OK, but it's not that great looking. I've voted against it in the referendum. However, if more citizens/trusted residents prefer the new flag proposal, which I believe will trigger a vote in the Board, I will vote to change it to that. I despise democracy and the concept of "whatever the majority says is right", but a significant number of citizens within the region wish to change the flag. And if we can change it, and it doesn't work, then we can change it back.
That's my view.
Conservative Idealism In Libertatem
Hello, I would like to talk to the leaders of foreign affairs in this Region, who are they?
For the time being, it's just me. What do you need?
Guys!
I love capitalism so much! I love my bosses and their masters, they provide so much for me! I work so hard for so little, but I cannot get over my love for the capitalist system, it's just great!
Hallo Island
Go home, Minerva, you're drunk.
Go Minerva, drunk, you're home.
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Right-Winged Nation
Drunk go, you're, Minerva home.
Is Minerva becoming a Socialist?
Republic Of Minerva, Alderney And Liberty City
Is mayonnaise a gender?
Pevvania, Alderney And Liberty City
https://40.media.tumblr.com/de9d99711e083c29ce9dddf019c2c42f/tumblr_muq70iEQ3p1sgn9x2o1_500.png
Pevvania
Stop oppressing me you misogynist!
Pevvania
#drunklibertarianmeeting
Pevvania
Pahahahaha
This guy is awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0
From what I have gathered is that we as a region are against state authoritarianism, but align with some communist regions. If we identify our philosophy as such, and our current flag remains, we only send a mixed message as such shaking hands, but grasping a knife behind your back.
This is our chance to show our true intentions as a region as against authoritarianism, not just communism.
Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, Yrellian Confederacy
Fun fact: None of the nations we have ever recruited with the NS++ tool are currently present in the region, and the majority have CTEd by this point.
You can lead a horse to water, but I guess you can't make him drink. *shrugs*
No, Condealism, horseradish is not a gender either.
Pevvania, Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, Ankha
hi guys.
is catsup a gender???
Finally got back to work on that Third REAGAN Treaty. Here it is: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=conservative_idealism_in_reato/detail=factbook/id=383306
Yeahhhh, I need an editor. Can someone help me shorten it?
No, ketchup is not a gender.
*sees you raise your hand*
Relish and mustard are not genders either.
Hallo Island
yeah i got that
And here I am, wondering whether instruments of torture count, while I work on my harmonica solo.
Vichtander In Liberatem
how are you guys ???
You are a terrible spy, you know that?
Okay who sent you? Nazi Europa? The Internationale? North Korea?
Pevvania
Bittersweet. Tsar is reviving the UCR, while my region just perished. How about you?
Ankha
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5jLsLoYcE#t=88
Why isn't he sticking with the AAA?
I am looking to lead a "expedition" into larger "communist" regions. Needless to say, may we speak over telegram?
For everyone who has not come to a decision regarding our magnificent current flag, I direct you to a RMB post Lack there of left not but 180 days ago.
It would appear we have strikingly different desires of a flag. The flag is the standard that the region rallies behind at times of triumph and despair. It is a completely in house special not to be shaped by the desires of out side powers and wishes.
Furthermore, if the flag was truly so offensive I doubt we would be able to work with regions such as AAA and the other devoutly communist regions participating in the raid on CAPS as we speak. It has been proven again and again that our flag does not hinder our chances with the outside world. A nation from this region got a resolution passed condemning a communist nation through the WA. If the flag was truly such a sticking point such a proposal would have never made it out of a draft due to it being viewed as ideologically motivated.
If we change our flag now, after years of fighting under its shadows the left will pounce upon us and claim a victory unlike any other. They will say we were forced into it by the powers at be, that we are simply trying to hide our true colors, and they would be right. We all know why we are here and what principles this region was founded upon.
This flag requires no ones approval other than our own, and it has surpassed even that standard.
Liberosia, Pevvania, The New United States
I really don't care about what the leftists say on our current flag. I personally think that it is really reductive, we are more than anti-communists, we are libertarians.
Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, The Neo-Confederate States Of America, Alderney And Liberty City
What a bunch of dumb sensationalism. I got telegrams (long deleted) from Zenny exactly saying that the reason that TCB didn't wish to even hold an embassy with us was due to the flag. And I believe the old UCR had also believed the same, if Zeouria or NST can give me a confirmation on that one. We weren't uncompromisingly anti-communist enough to ally with them, it seems. Indeed the flag change represents an over all long term change since then, like the abolishment of article 8 of the constitution and redefining our goals in opposition to all forms of authoritarianism, as our recent protesting of Lazarus shown.
The current flag is literally using a statist symbol (a prohibition symbol) to cross out a symbol that merely represents a part of what we are against. What region defines themselves as what they are against? Regions without an identity, that is. Yet in the 2+ years Libertatem has existed had forged an identity that is more than just anti-communism. It has forged an identity of unity against all odd, something that this region had seen quite well.
Ankha, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Alderney And Liberty City
Since when was Article 8 taken out?
Probably because it's mostly anarchist and has no central government.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Remember the UCR-Libertatem war back in 2013? That was caused partially by the flag.
Republic Of Minerva, Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, Ankha
Indeed. Pev, you'll remember the hurdles we had to go through to convince the UCR to rescind their declaration of war.
It wasn't. I believe he's referring to our collective choice to ignore its demands: Those being a unilateral offensive against all of communism and an alliance with fascist regions.
Well said.
By the way, I'm still looking for an editor for the rough draft of the Third REAGAN Treaty I have in this nation's factbook.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
I just went through hundreds of our controlled territories to update it with NS++
uugghhh
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Send me a copy. I'm practically a lawyer.
Motion to remove [nation=Funkytopia] from office.
[nation=Funkytopia] (Manager of the State), while a vital and integral member of Libertatem society, has remained inactive for 18 days now. While we must understand that other duties outside of Nationstates can preoccupy members of [region=Libertatem], the State Department of Libertatem can not function without a central leader. As per Section I, Subsection III of the TERM Amendment of the Constitution of Libertatem, it is essential that Funkytopia be replaced as soon a humanly possible.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Sometimes I wonder if Gore would of actually handled both the economy and 9/11 better than Bush...
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
#LibertynotHillary
Pevvania, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
I think about that sometimes, too. Gore promised both tax cuts and a balanced budget, and to eliminate the national debt by 2012. But I still probably would have voted for Bush in 2000, since he had a good record as Governor of Texas, wanted to reform Social Security and promised a "humble foreign policy" with "no nation-building".
It would have been nice to see Jack Kemp be president.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Well technically, Funkytopia hasn't really left us. Condealism will probably be able to give you more informations about his absence.
You said that you were practically a lawyer, are you a law student ? In this case I would like to propose you to become deputy attorney.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Funky will be back after the school year's over, but you're right.
Just out of curiosity, who would be interested in replacing him?
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Who exactly is in the cabinet besides mien now anyhow? Lol poor CI, it's been rough with your staff hasn't it?
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
-and minerva-
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I have studied law and was working on it, but I am not technically a law student any more. I am going to have to decline that offer, as I specialize in legal documents, and my court skills are a bit rusty.
I might run for office for Department of State. However, I don't know how many people would actually agree with it, as I have been in the dark for quite a while.
And it's appointed.
If you could run answer me these questions. Why would you run for office?
What are your views of the current administrations foreign policy and what would you do differently?
What would you introduce as your hallmark to foreign affairs and help this region?
He wants to restart the UCR.
Our lack of central government is intentional, by the way. "We have no lord. We're an autonomous collective..."
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You don't know the half of it.
I appoint the Managers, so if you want control of the State department... yeah, answer NP's three questions, and I'll consider that your interview. Though I must admit you do have the requisite skill for the position.
For two years, I have worked up close and personally with people in crisis. I have found that when things are truly down, you have to do more than just fix something here and fix something there. You have to dig deep into yourself and ask yourself some serious questions about who you really are and what youre doing.
As I see it, Libertatem is a region in crisis. We wont get out of it just by fixing something here and fixing something there. We as a region now have to dig deep down and ask ourselves some serious questions who we are as a nation, and what were doing.
Ive longed to see that kind of conversation and that level of consciousness inform the leadership of our region. I have asked myself how I could foster that, and have decided that the best way I can do it is to run for office myself.
I believe the current administration under [nation=Conservative Idealism in Libertatem] is one of the best Libertatem has seen. President Idealism and his Cabinet has suggested several very controversial changes to Libertatem as a whole. These have included a new foreign policy, changes to the anti-sickle and hammer flag, and several other things that have drawn distaste among members of Libertatem, whether new or old. While the current administration hasn't been the most cautious on bringing these into the public safely, it has been a very bold and smart move by the current administration. Reforms have been needed for years, and as the current poll suggests, many of these reforms are either being worked on, on the verge of being up into place, or already in place and making Libertatem a better place. While Libertatem was founded on the principles of combatting "Communism" (Actually State Socialism or Marxism) in all variants, our new focus has shifted to promoting a free, open society of Libertarians, committed to making the best region on Nationstates even better. The current administration has done an outstanding job on pushing it's policy into effect, and I give President Idealism and his Cabinet my utmost praise and respect.
As for what I would change. I believe we need to act more professional when it comes to our foreign policy in general. I have heard many ctizens of Libertatem publicly state that they support the War on Communism "because it's fun." While this is a game, and we are all here to have fun, we can not condone or publicly post this sort of activity. It shows our allies and enemies that we are not as serious as we actually are. Libertatem is a region of intellectuals, and we need to find a good mix of fun and seriousness so that we can function at our peak capacity as a region.
I have devised a five point plan.
1. Create an Ambassador section of the State Department committed to putting one Libertatem representative into each of the regions of our allies.
2. Hold a REATO summit with all REATO members through a third-party format, where we can openly discuss our opinions on REATO's current performance and suggest changes to make it a stronger, more effective alliance.
3. Reconsider each embassy to ensure we operate an efficient, corrpution-free foreign policy with diplomatic representation within each nation.
4. Hold an AAA-TCB-REATO summit to discuss relations between the three organizations. AAA and TCB were former allies, and I see potential for reestablishing relations with these three actors, and potentially having AAA rejoin REATO.
5. Conduct public referendums on Libertatem's foreign policy to ensure the citizens of Libertatem have a fair voice in determining our foreign policy.
I must say, I'm impressed, particularly by your five-point plan. I'll tell you whether you've got the job in the morning, but for now, would you mind looking over the following factbook for me?
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=conservative_idealism_in_reato/detail=factbook/id=383306
It's the rough draft of the Third REAGAN Treaty - I'm concerned there are too many provisions, and I'm still trying to decide what rights and liberties I want to grant/promise to the signatories in the final section. If I can get this document finished, with the approval of Libertatem and the IRU, the REAGAN Treaty could stand to gain many more supporters.
Only the Antifaux crowd and their Marxist-Leninist supporters are super serious in a freaking online internet game. Like every regional capture aids towards the destruction of fascism (!) Somehow they think this is a productive way to defeat capitalism, by playing a game that advertises Max Barry's crap.
On the other side, half the Nutzis are roleplayers or simply conservatives with an interest in nazi stuff. Yawn. And I thought the Nazi paraphernalia wore off a long time ago.
Pevvania, Alderney And Liberty City
I would comment,But my nation here is a FD. So I have no right commenting on this regions foreign policy toward any region but my own.
So guys, Hillary can't make a speech, but she can use the internet. Is the American population stupid enough to fall for it? Only time will tell
Ankha
A3 won't be rejoining REATO. We're officially an independent, pacifist region. I'll host a referendum, but I doubt anyone wants to re-militarize.We'll keep embassies open though.
Joining REATO doesn't have to mean fully joining it. I would like to reform the Observer section of REATO so that regions like AAA can reconsider relations with REATO, even if they aren't interested in joining. Think of it as NATO's Partnership for Peace plan. Many enemies of NATO have joined the PPP simply to form a more united Europe. I believe the accomplishment of similar goals is feasible in the near future.
The Flag Referendum has ended: Our residents are in favor of changing the flag eight (seven of whom are citizens) to six (all of whom are citizens). Of these citizens, two Board members have voted for changing the flag, two have voted against it, and one has not voted.
This was a close vote, but the AYEs have it.
*plays the Libertatem National Anthem*
I'll wait about a day to change the flag in case anyone wants to save the image of the old one for posterity. Needless to say, now would be the time to do so.
Starts to burn the old non Libertarian flag*
Desecration! Hang him! Burn him at the stake!
Well, that is how you're supposed to retire a flag, so...
I still don't agree but I will wear whatever libertatem will
*plays taps and salutes as the Libertatem flag is lowered into a fiery pit by the Active Corps Honor Guard and is retired for the final time*
*curses under breath at those responsible*
Muh Roads
Calm down Humpalitious!
Hold on, where's the constitutional authority in referendums to change the flag? The Board already repealed an executive order by the president to change the flag, and as I understand it the Board must vote on this issue.
I believe this gives the referendum authority.
Subsection IV
The House shall make any law for the region it sees fit to be vetoed or approved by the founder or President; the bill having a simple majority of the nations who voted for or against it in order to become law.
Hi guys
Signed the president of the united environmentalist states of Mhomen
Hi the president of the united environmentalist states of Mhomen.
Signed the interim attorney general of Yrellian Confederacy
Correct - the Constitution does not explicitly grant the people of the region the right to hold a referendum, but as suggested by passages such as these, it could be considered an implicit right.
In any case, the majority of participants in the referendum voted in favor of changing the flag, and as President, I will approve the results of this tomorrow.
And because Kan and I were being power-hungry jacka$$e$.
You're interim AG?
Actually, I've decided he's full-time AG. After his excellent service as People's Attorney, he deserves the promotion... at least until my term's over.
Ankha
I would be the first to agree with that CI.
Forgive me for interjecting and though I may not be the sitting AG so it is not my job to interpret and I'm sure Yrellian will put it in your favor, but the precedent was established by decree of the Founder that a flag change would be treated as a Constitutional amendment and those processes must be followed.
If I am not mistaken, no mention of a referendum exists in ours laws, I'll check.
Liberosia
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