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Has someone else called the mods?

Ankha 3 wrote:FASCISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And there you go to the Fascist Union

Immaturity. Immaturity everywhere I look.

Miencraft wrote:Has someone else called the mods?

I did.

*Shoots off fireworks* He's gone,he's gone HUZA HUZA!!!!!!

Hay everyone It's time for a sing along!

[Verse 1:]

It might seem crazy what IÂ’m about to say

Sunshine sheÂ’s here, you can take a break

IÂ’m a hot air balloon that could go to space

With the air, like I donÂ’t care baby by the way

[Chorus:]

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you know what happiness is to you

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you feel like thatÂ’s what you wanna do

[Verse 2:]

Here come bad news talking this and that, yeah,

Well, give me all you got, and donÂ’t hold it back, yeah,

Well, I should probably warn you IÂ’ll be just fine, yeah,

No offense to you, donÂ’t waste your time

HereÂ’s why

[Chorus]

Hey, come on

[Bridge:]

(happy)

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

My level's too high

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

I said (let me tell you now)

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

My level's too high

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

I said

[Chorus 2x]

Hey, come on

(happy)

Bring me downÂ… canÂ’t nothingÂ

Bring me downÂ… my level's too highÂ

Bring me downÂ… canÂ’t nothingÂ

Bring me down, I said (let me tell you now)

[Chorus 2x]

Come on

Since when do we have a map? I thought yo guys were just doing a role play last night when I got on so I just let you guys go on.

The map seems really unfair. All the cool places are gone. HOW DOES HUMPHERIA HAVE ALL OF NA, CA, AND NORTHWEST SA? THAT AIN'T RIGHT!

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Since when do we have a map? I thought yo guys were just doing a role play last night when I got on so I just let you guys go on.

The map seems really unfair. All the cool places are gone. HOW DOES HUMPHERIA HAVE ALL OF NA, CA, AND NORTHWEST SA? THAT AIN'T RIGHT!

The map was just for the RP

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Since when do we have a map? I thought yo guys were just doing a role play last night when I got on so I just let you guys go on.

The map seems really unfair. All the cool places are gone. HOW DOES HUMPHERIA HAVE ALL OF NA, CA, AND NORTHWEST SA? THAT AIN'T RIGHT!

You see that tiny pink speck wedged between China and India. I am thy speck.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Since when do we have a map? I thought yo guys were just doing a role play last night when I got on so I just let you guys go on.

The map seems really unfair. All the cool places are gone. HOW DOES HUMPHERIA HAVE ALL OF NA, CA, AND NORTHWEST SA? THAT AIN'T RIGHT!

I just started with US and Canada, but peeps got ornery. I put em down and took their land. Spoils of war.

Muh Roads wrote:The map was just for the RP

Why not make an actual legit map for the region? Haven't we been meaning to do that for a while anyways?

May the 4th be with you!

Muh Roads wrote:I swear to Joe Pecsi if anyone tries to take my China I'll....

*cart-wheels behind you and steals China*

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Why not make an actual legit map for the region? Haven't we been meaning to do that for a while anyways?

Seconded. Also, the US should be split into states, so that everybody can have some (if they want).

Be Happy wrote:Hay everyone It's time for a sing along!

[Verse 1:]

It might seem crazy what IÂ’m about to say

Sunshine sheÂ’s here, you can take a break

IÂ’m a hot air balloon that could go to space

With the air, like I donÂ’t care baby by the way

[Chorus:]

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you know what happiness is to you

Because IÂ’m happy

Clap along if you feel like thatÂ’s what you wanna do

[Verse 2:]

Here come bad news talking this and that, yeah,

Well, give me all you got, and donÂ’t hold it back, yeah,

Well, I should probably warn you IÂ’ll be just fine, yeah,

No offense to you, donÂ’t waste your time

HereÂ’s why

[Chorus]

Hey, come on

[Bridge:]

(happy)

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

My level's too high

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

I said (let me tell you now)

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

My level's too high

Bring me down

Can't nothing bring me down

I said

[Chorus 2x]

Hey, come on

(happy)

Bring me downÂ… canÂ’t nothingÂ

Bring me downÂ… my level's too highÂ

Bring me downÂ… canÂ’t nothingÂ

Bring me down, I said (let me tell you now)

[Chorus 2x]

Come on

Yes

The Lone Star wrote:Yes

<(' ')< >(' ')> <('')<

The New United States wrote:Seconded. Also, the US should be split into states, so that everybody can have some (if they want).

Why, the US is just like every other nation.

Terentuem wrote:Why, the US is just like every other nation.

Excuuuuuuuse me?

For the sake of the map it is.

For your role play why don't you split larger nations into different regions?

It won't be roleplay anymore. I think they are wanting to do a solid, non-rp map.

Terentuem wrote:Why, the US is just like every other nation.

Multiple people seem to want the US. I want Georgia.

Why shouldn't it be split?

Why would the US be any different from any other nation? First come first serve is how it would appear that works. And you can share, didn't Humpheria give you Georgia last time? Whoever gets it can do that if they want. It get's confusing when you add fifty extra territories. Rather than trying to cater to every single person's whims, Miencraft should keep it simple.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Why not make an actual legit map for the region? Haven't we been meaning to do that for a while anyways?

That's what'll happen tomorrow. The RP was accidental.

Terentuem wrote:Why would the US be any different from any other nation? First come first serve is how it would appear that works. And you can share, didn't Humpheria give you Georgia last time? Whoever gets it can do that if they want. It get's confusing when you add fifty extra territories. Rather than trying to cater to every single person's whims, Miencraft should keep it simple.

I'm not quite sure. It's come to my observation that residents of the US look upon it (as a political entity) as something greater than a country.

Ostenburg wrote:I'm not quite sure. It's come to my observation that residents of the US look upon it (as a political entity) as something greater than a country.

I'm talking about the map, not any of that.

If I get the US again, I will be willing to give Georgia and South Carolina to TNUS.

Extreme rules = Average.

Humpheria wrote:Goodnight.

*Gets in bed with Humpy* G'night everybody.

Terentuem wrote:I'm talking about the map, not any of that.

I know you're talking about the map. It's the subconscious mind that I was referring to.

Maybe you're just not aware as to what "any of that" actually is, but that's OK, you're not done learning.

Ipian wrote:*Gets in bed with Humpy* G'night everybody.

That's.... strange.

Ostenburg wrote:I know you're talking about the map. It's the subconscious mind that I was referring to.

Maybe you're just not aware as to what "any of that" actually is, but that's OK, you're not done learning.

Ok then.

12 am central time. I would like to have Denmark, Northern Germany, Hollande, and Norway

I would appreciate my country back, Pevvania. No more disputes between our lands shall occur. My factories will churn out weapons for your armies - per contract established - and we shall continue on as friends.

Random fun fact:

Rotgeheim's sole exports are weapons and material related to weaponry.

Another random fun fact:

Rotgeheim is one of the top nations in the world for happiness, income equality, safety, defense forces, culture, recreational drug use, healthiness, intelligence, niceness, weather, employment, tourism, environmental beauty, compassion, and eco-friendliness. This is exactly what I wanted. My nation is perfection.

Ostenburg wrote:*cart-wheels behind you and steals China*

*sobs*

Magic Conch claims the Marshall Islands. Our safehaven is Bikini Atoll.

I'm claiming muh Siberia.

State of the Region Address incoming.

What do you all think about 'money in politics'?

Fun fact: All hail the Magic Conch.

I claim every state east of Nevada , Canada and Mexico

Pevvania wrote:State of the Region Address incoming.

What do you all think about 'money in politics'?

It's a form of free speech.

I got up an hour and a half early to go shoot a class mate with a nerf gun. At no point in my scholastic journeys have I ever been so hyped to get up on a school day

Pevvania wrote:

What do you all think about 'money in politics'?

It's a shinnying example of the flaws in the democratic system

I've looked over the Constitution a few times in the last few days and I hate to say it but secession is indeed illegal.

Lack There Of wrote:It's a shinnying example of the flaws in the democratic system

How do you propose we remedy it?

Amarican that is a big claim. Three countries, that's a lot. Anyway, I take the rest of the US (everything but California, your welcome Amarican) and Denmark.

I'll take Australia, New Zealand and Southern Africa.

I'll take Ireland and England.

I'll look through the RMB for claims later today, so if someone could consolidate everyone's claims into a factbook until then that'd be great.

You can have Quebec humpy, they are pro dominantly french speakers.

Hallo Island wrote:I'll take Ireland and England.

What about Wales and Scotland?

Pevvania wrote:I've looked over the Constitution a few times in the last few days and I hate to say it but secession is indeed illegal.

*convinces the States to convene and pass an amendment legalizing secession*

The Amarican Empire wrote:You can have Quebec humpy, they are pro dominantly french speakers.

I wouldn't give Quebec to my worst enemy. It's an awful, awful, awful, awful place.

Why pay a amendment? It's not like the feds follow the constitution anyway.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What about Wales and Scotland?

Yeah those too. Great Britain. United Kingdom. England, Wales, Northern Ireland, and Ireland.

Pevvania wrote:I wouldn't give Quebec to my worst enemy. It's an awful, awful, awful, awful place.

*whispers*bonjour*whispers*

Hallo Island wrote:Yeah those too. Great Britain. United Kingdom. England, Wales, Northern Ireland, and Ireland.

My friend would beat you up if you called Great Britain :England.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Why pay a amendment? It's not like the feds follow the constitution anyway.

Because with an amendment you can just go "Hey **** you guys I'm done here" then you get to go to war if they decide that you're not done there.

Maybe that's not a good thing but whatever.

This is a touchy topic. I am of the thought that if a majority of CITIZENS (not government) in a state wish to leave an oppressive nation, that is their imperative and not my place to stop them.

The Amarican Empire wrote:My friend would beat you up if you called Great Britain :England.

One of my friends actually. Most of my friends don't care about their heritage as much.

Humpheria wrote:*whispers*bonjour*whispers*

It's not that they're French; I love France and French people. I myself am a descendant of a prominent French historical warlord. But there's a deep-seated culture of government-enforced racism in Quebec.

Pevvania wrote:It's not that they're French; I love France and French people. I myself am a descendant of a prominent French historical warlord. But there's a deep-seated culture of government-enforced racism in Quebec.

[distasteful_joke]Isn't that the best part?[/distasteful_joke]

Pevvania wrote:I've looked over the Constitution a few times in the last few days and I hate to say it but secession is indeed illegal.

How do you propose we remedy it?

Well I'm not really sure the deceleration of independence was legal either. Furthermore, the state ought to be abolished.

Lack There Of wrote:Well I'm not really sure the deceleration of independence was legal either. Furthermore, the state ought to be abolished.

*mumbles*damn anarchists

Nieder mit dem Französisch! Ich liebe Deutschland!

Lack There Of wrote:Well I'm not really sure the deceleration of independence was legal either. Furthermore, the state ought to be abolished.

I suggest you try that in a smaller nation like North Korea.

Can we start invading places now? If so, Magic Conch moves troops into Indonesia.

No we ate not starting that again. Last time I was wiped of the map.

Don't complain, you tried to invade me, so you got wiped off of the map. That is how it works Amarican.

I re-claim all of Scandinavia.

Humpheria wrote:Don't complain, you tried to invade me, so you got wiped off of the map. That is how it works Amarican.

I am not complaining.

Others like much roads would love to be conqoured by humpy.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I am not complaining.

I meant that in a joking manner, hon.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Others like much roads would love to be conqoured by humpy.

Wut

The Amarican Empire wrote:Others like much roads would love to be conqoured by humpy.

Muh Roads wrote:Wut

Whoa, man. I prefer to keep it a mystery.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What about Wales and Scotland?

Why would anyone want them?

Rotgeheim wrote:I re-claim all of Scandinavia.

I dare you to claim Perisa, just to mess with everyone.

Well if i can't have China, i want United Korea and Japan.

Why I don't really understand your guys' views on healthcare (most of the time), in a nutshell:

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1888642_10153864280690134_580415857_n.jpg

Pax Osca wrote:Why I don't really understand your guys' views on healthcare (most of the time), in a nutshell:

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1888642_10153864280690134_580415857_n.jpg

What I don't understand is why social democrats push for nationalised healthcare but not nationalised food, clothing, housing, etc. If you believe market principles arbitrarily do not apply in one industry then they do not apply to all of them.

Well done on the Land Grab RP, Miencraft. You built it very well, and I'm pleasantly surprised there was little to no God-modding. I hope this region can become strong for roleplaying.

I'm gonna continue the Land Grab AT RP, starting from the Fall of Rotgeheim. I hereby declare war on Northern Prussia, and in accordance with RP rules will likely overrun all of Prussian Europe in approximately 20 minutes.

Pev, you can't do that. Conform!

Humpheria wrote:Pev, you can't do that. Conform!

Once I get muh land :)

We should settle disputes via Civ V games. Who here's got it, and who doesn't?

Pevvania wrote:What I don't understand is why social democrats push for nationalised healthcare but not nationalised food, clothing, housing, etc. If you believe market principles arbitrarily do not apply in one industry then they do not apply to all of them.

Food, clothing, housing, etc does not need to be fair or equally available to all. I think people should have access to a enough food to live, enough clothing to clothe themselves, and a roof over their head. This can all be provided for by a minimum wage/unemployment benefit (IMO, conditional on you actively seeking out a job at the time, as proved by copies of applications to positions or else attendance to a job centre etc). Healthcare, on the other hand, comes unexpectedly and is often incredibly costly - and so cannot be adequately supplied by a minimum wage/unemployment benefits. Yet, it is still a basic human right, one of the most essential ones - far more essential, in my books, than the right not to have to pay taxes for it.

The universal right to live and be healthy seems, to me, more than a fair trade to for the right not to pay taxes.

Pax Osca wrote:Food, clothing, housing, etc does not need to be fair or equally available to all.

And by this I mean, of course, that it does need to be available to all, and at a minimum standard. Just not equally available to all. I feel no need to buy armani suits, because I'm that kinda guy, but the next person along may like unnecessarily expensive brands of clothes and feel the need to spend money on it, they should be free to do so.

Pax Osca wrote:Food, clothing, housing, etc does not need to be fair or equally available to all. I think people should have access to a enough food to live, enough clothing to clothe themselves, and a roof over their head. This can all be provided for by a minimum wage/unemployment benefit (IMO, conditional on you actively seeking out a job at the time, as proved by copies of applications to positions or else attendance to a job centre etc). Healthcare, on the other hand, comes unexpectedly and is often incredibly costly - and so cannot be adequately supplied by a minimum wage/unemployment benefits. Yet, it is still a basic human right, one of the most essential ones - far more essential, in my books, than the right not to have to pay taxes for it.

The universal right to live and be healthy seems, to me, more than a fair trade to for the right not to pay taxes.

Healthcare is not necessarily costly. History has shown that when the government enters a market it drives costs upwards. This has especially been seen in healthcare. Refer here:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10314033_790005321033892_2342700685929863850_n.jpg

As you can see, products and services that have been subsidised by the government have faced dramatic cost increases. As late as 1963, before the Great Society programs, 97% of Americans had health insurance. Healthcare was cheap and affordable. This is not the case anymore. But healthcare can still be provided universally without it being nationalised, through mandated savings accounts, tax credits, etc. Minimum wage laws have been shown to cause lower overall wages, unemployment and inflation. Right now in Britain, we're experiencing the longest period of depreciating wages since the 1920s, even though the country's first minimum wage law came into effect in 1997. Unemployment benefits are necessary for the disadvantaged who find themselves unemployed for not fault of their own - but these benefits do not need to be provided by the government. Private alternatives in Chile and other countries have worked extremely well at both providing for the needy and encouraging a return to employment.

You and I clearly have very different views on rights. There's often two concepts of what rights are: natural rights and citizens' rights. I assume you subscribe to the latter one. How can you describe universal state-proscribed healthcare a human right, when it doesn't exist in many countries? Wouldn't you say that it should be a human right?

Northern Prussia has fallen.

remember yo, I got the UK and such.

Pevvania wrote:We should settle disputes via Civ V games. Who here's got it, and who doesn't?
do you have the expansions aswell?

[quote=pevvania;6241875]Healthcare is not necessarily costly. History has shown that when the government enters a market it drives costs upwards. This has especially been seen in healthcare. Refer here:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10314033_790005321033892_2342700685929863850_n.jpg

As you can see, products and services that have been subsidised by the government have faced dramatic cost increases. As late as 1963, before the Great Society programs, 97% of Americans had health insurance. Healthcare was cheap and affordable. This is not the case anymore. But healthcare can still be provided universally without it being nationalised, through mandated savings accounts, tax credits, etc.[/quote]

1. 97% is not universal healthcare. Hate to be a stickler, but that 3% at the bottom, in modern day America, would be about 9 million people that's unacceptable to me.

2. Having health insurance is not the same as having comprehensive healthcare. Time and time again, people who assume they're covered because they have healthcare insurance find out that the insurer is not willing to pay out because what they have is not on the list of what they cover. State systems see a patient that needs to be cured with the funds they've already been given. Insurers see a chance to make a profit.

3. You graph uses bad statistics. The note on the bottom warns you of this. While it may appear to illustrate privatized industries to cause cheap prices while nationalized or "government interfered" industries to be increasing in prices, it actually illustrates, largely, how consumer goods have increased in quality over time and how we've developed processes to make them more cheaply in the last 10 years while an increasing population has lead to an increase in prices for services. Take education; more people are going to college than did before. Prices have risen accordingly until supply can be satisfied (and may keep rising if places like colleges realize that people value an education more than they value $120k).

[quote=pevvania;6241875]Minimum wage laws have been shown to cause lower overall wages, unemployment and inflation. Right now in Britain, we're experiencing the longest period of depreciating wages since the 1920s, even though the country's first minimum wage law came into effect in 1997.

Yet France, the second strongest economy in the Euro, has an even higher minimum wage than the UK.

The cause of depreciating wages in the UK is not solely down to the minimum wage. The entire eurozone is in crisis, still recovering from the wages of sh*t that the 2008 Banking Crisis caused.

[quote=pevvania;6241875]Unemployment benefits are necessary for the disadvantaged who find themselves unemployed for not fault of their own - but these benefits do not need to be provided by the government. Private alternatives in Chile and other countries have worked extremely well at both providing for the needy and encouraging a return to employment.[/quote]

Could you send me some links for these?

[quote=pevvania;6241875]You and I clearly have very different views on rights. There's often two concepts of what rights are: natural rights and citizens' rights. I assume you subscribe to the latter one. [B]How can you describe universal state-proscribed healthcare a human right, when it doesn't exist in many countries?[/B] Wouldn't you say that it should be a human right?[/quote]

I do not describe state-proscribed healthcare a human right. I describe proper, comprehensive healthcare a human right. It's source is irrelevant but inevitably must lie with the state as no intelligent entity driven by profit would provide it. Providing healthcare for people is an expensive process, and any entity that instinctively wants to skimp on how much they spend (so that they can make a profit) will therefore not always be inclined try to save as many people as possible. Rather, it will save those who can spend again above others.

The right to health, food and shelter are, in my opinion, inalienable rights. The very basics of survival. Coupled to this are the rights to liberty (of movement and thought) and education. Any civilized society can and should ensure that all and any of its people that constitute it are granted these rights.

Bugger, messed up the coding... nevermind...

I gave my citizens in my nation basic free healthcare and I still have no taxes

Explain it.

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