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Just to put in my 2 cents I'm of the like with some of my colleagues that we should be wary of you, Natt, by your abrupt want for a government position. I'm a cautious one and we need to observe if we can trust you, things don't go willy-nilly around here.

i know there is no reason for you to trust what i say i have told you all i can on the "asking for a government position" i wasn't asking i was saying that it was something i was interested in the only real reason i joined this region was because of the anti-communist thing. again you have no reason to believe me and any action taken by the region i will honor.

If you're having trouble with trolls, Snabagag could ban them. Alternatively, if they persist in a manner against site rules, perhaps the moderators could look into it?

they left anyways so it doesn't really matter.

What did you ever do to attract such idiots, anyway?

oh i said something to them on freeblr they didn't like

So much for free speech. :/

they're muslim communists what do you expect?

Muslim Communists? Now that's a term you don't hear often. :P

I've bought this book called 'New Deal or Raw Deal?' It's been a real eye-opener into FDR's true legacy. Before reading it I was fooled into believing that he ended the Depression. But now I realise that he had as much to do with ending it as Brad Pitt did with inventing the game of Monopoly. In fact, Roosevelt is probably the reason why it went so long. Coming into the Preaidency with basically no knowledge of economics (he got all his information from a group of leftist intellectuals that fed him outright bullsh!t; I've never heard of any other Presidential candidate promise to reduce taxes, balance the budget and create an alphabet soup of welfare programs. Even his own son noted that he knew jack diddly squat about economics) he went on to nearly kill American industry with ludicrous regulations, small business-ravaging price fixes and farm subsidies that ended up hurting everyone. He was a democratic tyrant, jailing small business owners who refused to comply with his destructive black book of regulations that was thankfully struck down in 1935 by the Supreme Court.

I'm only 20% through the book and I'm more confident than ever before about the power of the free market. FDR was an absolutely atrocious President; the US economy took more blows in those twelve painful years than Rocky Balboa did in his entire career of boxing. Yet like the fictitious fighter, it was still standing at the end. That was the true miracle of the Great Depression.

now do FDR's economic policies remind you of another democrat tyranical president?

his favorite pastimes are golf and blaming Bush

Folks I recently received a telegram from an associate of Natt and I believe we have a right to hear about him so here is the message: The Holy Green Republic of of Devoonshires

2 hours ago

Hey there,

I hope this finds you well. I just want to give you a heads up. The nation Nattt recently left our region Freeblr abruptly ditching work he had assumed on a regional constitution, amongst other things. His departure was strangely timed following a bunch of spamming of our region by the very countries that seem to be moving in and out of your region.

I don't know if Nattt had anything to do with them or not - but he was usually online whenever something went down with them.

Again, I don't know Nattt's deal. Just wanted to stress that you should be wary of requests for immediateinvolvementin your region. You seem to have a similar mindset to our region so I figured I should give you a heads up as a like minded friend.

Best of Luck, Devy

i would like to again point out i made the spammers mad. also im online a lot thirdly he ditched first having been out of contact with me with no warning after agreeing to write a draft with me. i left the region due to inactivity.

Obama's past the blaming Bush game. He now recognizes himself as Bush's spiritual successor...something that's pretty scary considering how badly Bush messed up his second term. (He has the capacity to do even more damage considering the media isn't hounding him.)

Of course we should hear multiple sides of the story, ISA. I think Nattt might have left because he was being stalked by those very nations. Still, I'm not quick to immediately trust any newcomer.

actually no i didn't have any thoughts as to those nations stalking me.

Oh, okay. Then why did you leave there?

i was tired of the inactivity of the region and was looking for an active region.

Austrian economics is the most free market, liberty oriented school of economics. I am currently reading Rothbard's Man, Economy, and State. Anyone who has not should read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. These people know what they are talking about.

On an unrelated note, as you have heard, I am no longer involved in the region's politics. However, I'll still post from time to time regarding issues like economics. TG me if you are interested in more information regarding the Austrian school.

i did an economics class this year and we studied out of that book. I love it and highly suggest it to everyone.

I have to recommend a book called The Road to Serfdom.

"Austrian economics is the most free market, liberty oriented school of economics. I am currently reading Rothbard's Man, Economy, and State. Anyone who has not should read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. These people know what they are talking about.

On an unrelated note, as you have heard, I am no longer involved in the region's politics. However, I'll still post from time to time regarding issues like economics. TG me if you are interested in more information regarding the Austrian school."

And this has been a message from our leader-turned-scholar. *nods*

the republic of friedmanica says that if you need a reference on me or the devoonshires TG to please contact him.

ISA, that is a great book by Hayek. I must read it at sometime.

Glad to see this region bouncing back. I'm on chatzy.

Sorry for my absence. I got caught up in work, but I'm here now. I see you've been discussing ideals, that makes me glad to see.

Only 1-2 more months until Snabagag celebrates 365 days of being WA Delegate!

Sorry for my absence as well! Congrats Snag. Hope I did not miss much what has happened these past few weeks?

Also may I have my seat as a chairman back? Or chairman of the board perhaps?

Hey Confederate! :) I was starting to fear that you weren't coming back :P

Woah!!!!! That's true!

CPotUS, I'll reinstate you as board member. I removed you due to inactivity.

Greetings from the Evil Empire, I love you all

Regards,

The all seeing, All knowing, King of the Sky and Sea, Defender of monarchy, His Highest Honor, Emperor for Life, Field Marshal, Good Doctor, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of all Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea, and Conqueror of the British Isles in General and Africa in Particular, Sir Doctor Lord Emperor Commander Covan.

Well that fella sure is a nut ^

Greetings Commander Covan!

^^^Reagan once spoke of an evil empire. Today, their ideological descendants run the regions of our enemies.

It's funny how they're such a political minority in real life, though. Most 'communists' are either nostalgic old Russians or 12-year-olds who've just come out of a history lesson thinking, "Wow, Lenin/Stalin/Mao were such horrible people, what if I pretend to like them on the Internet? That is SO FUNNY and definitely hasn't been done before!!!"

I believe that in modern day ignorance to history could bring back communism, a lot of people ( the liberals in my mind ) are ignorant to the modern day and that is why I believe socialism to be such a threat. People need to know that big government doesn't work.

Liberals have their minds set on an uncertain future and rush headlong at it. They don't think about the present or the past, and their ambition is dwarfed only by their lack of knowledge regarding the workings of the political world. They don't understand the economy or the role of government.

almost of that was true! Except for the 12 year old bit, but other words right on! To be honest I really do hate communism and empires. Although I have had a blast being a dick to other nations :P. Anyways in all seriousness can I ask a question about your political veiws real quick?

It`s good and all to not approve of Communism but why hate the left? The right is not perfect either. I prefer kind of an mix of the two. ever heard of a Centrist. People just don`t tend to understand that you have to be extreme left or extreme right. If ya`ll agree with what I say, I don`t know about the rest of Ya`ll but I am from U.S.A and i`m tired of Red States and Blue States, it is tearing apart Our nation (not like thats the only reason we are having problems but its one of `em!) Anyways, please give me some feedback I`d love to get some ideas :)

Controversial to my previous comment I believe only a select few of liberals to be intentionally evil with government control. I see that the liberals think that for people who cannot take care of themselves then they want the government to take care of them, and I'm not saying compassion is bad but I believe in my way which is get the government out and show compassion by teaching independence and self-reliance. I often like to use the quote " give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime "

I also disagree with the 12-year-old bit. That's ageist - I was twelve once and was still all for capitalism.

Centrists are okay, but ultimately the right promotes more freedoms than the left does. (Except for the authoritarian right, but even that's better than authoritarian left.)

Liberals, as I've said, are misguided. They want things they can't have, and these aren't necessarily bad things. They're just...childish and irresponsible with what they want.

There's no harm in short-term centrism if it's done right. But I prefer something I call 'Neo-Reaganism' - belief in free markets, free personal lives and a strong national defense. Basically libertarianism plus the military.

I agree, a liberal is like a child who wants to want and wants to give without believing in the economically repercussions and the fact that people deserve the keep the most money possible that they earn. They believe that as long as people are out there with over $250,000 that they can tax them openly at 80% and that because they're "rich" they're bad.

Peace through strength takes on a whole new meaning.

It`s true. People think that the government has to help every asshole on the planet or they are evil, they also believe that the government owes them something. And for what? dropping out of school and knocking up some teenager? However speaking for the left, They want people to have a say in what they do in their day to day lives where as extreme rightest belive you MUST do what the government say or you face serious consequences.

example of extreme left- Stalin

example of extreme right- Hitler

now i am not saying that if your Political beliefs lean to the right, that you will be hitler, but according to your logic the left is a stepping stone to Mao, and Lenin.

In my foreign policy ideas I believe to not mess with others ( unless genuinely threatened ) , end foreign aid , but sustain and continue to upgrade a strong military so nobody will mess with us.

and i like neo- Reaganism

Hitler was actually authoritarian center. He kept changing his mind about the economic freedom issue.

The left is ultimately a stepping stone to communism, but it depends on whether one leans authoritarian or libertarian, also. Anarcho-communists are RIDICULOUSLY and dangerously idealistic.

Ostasia I would like to see someone like you stay here as long as you lower your taxes and quit with the evil empire and all seeing, knowing , and that mess.

anyways I do agree with the fact that military should be strong. Btw I am going to marines boot camp in October and i am wondering what im doing with my life, at the same time I feel its the best decision I have ever made

to tell ya the truth, this evil empire thing is getting old for me too, im thinking about making a open minded nation. but im not staying here im committed to helping this region get onto its feet, afterwords ill consider coming over here. That would at least give time to change

Well we're on our feet so you must be talking about your old region.

The only moral, practical, and righteous option for a society is capitalism.

Seconded, Liberosia.

I agree, Liberosia. Botswana, the fourth-fastest growing economy in the world, has been transformed into a modern, economically free democracy using the power of the free market. It should be an example for the other nations of Africa.

Does anyone want to have a small debate with me on economics? I'm willing to play the part of a Keynesian and try arguing the left's point of view in the interest of hearing some of y'all's arguments defending the capitalist system. Keep in mind, I will know the answer to all the stuff I say and I of course don't believe in it. I just think this might be interesting.

I'll do some of the fundamental philosophy, too. This would be cool.

I'll debate any of you I absolutely love to do so. I specifically love to debate on foreign policy and economics.

ISA, maybe we could do a debate over telegrams. TG me.

Good idea. I've gotta clock off soon, though.

Thanks for fixing the WFE error, Liberosia. It was bothering the Coding Nazi in me, but at the same time I didn't want to confront Snabagag about it. :P

My dad and I were discussing where to move in the US if he eventually gets a visa. I'm looking for a place with very low taxation levels, cheap prices for consumer goods, and, erm... that's about it. Anyone wanna recommend the best state to move to?

New Hampshire? I don't know.

Compared to my dear home of North Carolina, which is on the track, thanks to Pat McCrory, to be the best state in the union, South Carolina has lower taxes all around and the real estate market is booming. Although if you want you can get a house for $500-$1500 in Detroit but then there's no neighbours and the house has been looted.

I went through the Carolinas during hurricane/twister season 2011. If we'd stayed another night in Florida, I think it was, then we would've probably been caught up in the natural disaster that afflicted the area. Sadly, a dozen people died.

Back on the subject of where to move in the US, I'd prefer somewhere on the Western Seaboard or in the Mid-West.

The Midwest is a nice place. The coast-ers think it's just a place planes fly over, but there are a number of sprawling metropolises in the Midwest, and a lot of culture.

Got anything to say about South Dakota? It's got the lowest unemployment and tax levels in the US.

Never been there. I wouldn't know.

You have that wrong I believe there Pev, it's actually due to fraking in North Dakota that the unemployment is under 3%

My mistake, then. On a different subject, has anyone here seen RED?

Folks! Today I am going again on a vacation, I'll be back in 10 days!

I would go to South Dakota. The low taxes, many cities and tourist destinations, and the booming natural gas industry are great fetures

Welcome, Prussia! :) I'd prefer somewhere close to California, since that's where I'd like to establish a career in some day.

Northern California or Utah

If you want to be near California ( which I cannot understand why ) I must agree with going to Utah or one of my most favourite, Nevada.

In Fear the Boom and Bust, John Maynard Keynes and F. A. Hayek, two of the great economists of the 20th century, come back to life to attend an economics conference on the economic crisis. Before the conference begins, and at the insistence of Lord Keynes, they go out for a night on the town and sing about why there’s a “boom and bust” cycle in modern economies and good reason to fear it.

SING ALONG

WeÂ’ve been going back and forth for a century

[Keynes] I want to steer markets,

[Hayek] I want them set free

ThereÂ’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it

[Hayek] Blame low interest rates.

[Keynes] NoÂ… itÂ’s the animal spirits

[Keynes Sings:]

John Maynard Keynes, wrote the book on modern macro

The man you need when the economyÂ’s off track, [whoa]

Depression, recession now your questionÂ’s in session

Have a seat and IÂ’ll school you in one simple lesson

BOOM, 1929 the big crash

We didn’t bounce back—economy’s in the trash

Persistent unemployment, the result of sticky wages

Waiting for recovery? Seriously? ThatÂ’s outrageous!

I had a real plan any fool can understand

The advice, real simple—boost aggregate demand!

C, I, G, all together gets to Y

Make sure the totalÂ’s growing, watch the economy fly

WeÂ’ve been going back and forth for a century

[Keynes] I want to steer markets,

[Hayek] I want them set free

ThereÂ’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it

[Hayek] Blame low interest rates.

[Keynes] NoÂ… itÂ’s the animal spirits

You see itÂ’s all about spending, hear the register cha-ching

Circular flow, the dough is everything

So if that flow is getting low, doesnÂ’t matter the reason

We need more government spending, now itÂ’s stimulus season

So forget about saving, get it straight out of your head

Like I said, in the long run—we’re all dead

Savings is destruction, thatÂ’s the paradox of thrift

DonÂ’t keep money in your pocket, or that growth will never liftÂ

becauseÂ

Business is driven by the animal spirits

The bull and the bear, and thereÂ’s reason to fear its

Effects on capital investment, income and growth

ThatÂ’s why the state should fill the gap with stimulus bothÂ

The monetary and the fiscal, theyÂ’re equally correct

Public works, digging ditches, war has the same effect

Even a broken window helps the glass man have some wealth

The multiplier driving higher the economyÂ’s health

And if the Central BankÂ’s interest rate policy tanks

A liquidity trap, that new moneyÂ’s stuck in the banks!

Deficits could be the cure, you been looking for

Let the spending soar, now that you know the score

My General TheoryÂ’s made quite an impression

[a revolution] I transformed the econ profession

You know me, modesty, still IÂ’m taking a bow

Say it loud, say it proud, weÂ’re all Keynesians now

WeÂ’ve been goinÂ’ back n forth for a century

[Keynes] I want to steer markets,

[Hayek] I want them set free

ThereÂ’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it

[Keynes] I made my case, Freddie H

Listen up , Can you hear it?

Hayek (THIS IS THE FREE MARKET GUY) sings:

IÂ’ll begin in broad strokes, just like my friend Keynes

His theory conceals the mechanics of change,

That simple equation, too much aggregation

Ignores human action and motivation

And yet it continues as a justification

For bailouts and payoffs by pols with machinations

You provide them with cover to sell us a free lunch

Then all that weÂ’re left with is debt, and a bunch

If youÂ’re living high on that cheap credit hog

DonÂ’t look for cure from the hair of the dog

Real savings come first if you want to invest

The market coordinates time with interest

Your focus on spending is pushing on thread

In the long run, my friend, itÂ’s your theory thatÂ’s dead

So sorry there, buddy, if that sounds like invective

Prepare to get schooled in my Austrian perspective

WeÂ’ve been going back and forth for a century

[Keynes] I want to steer markets,

[Hayek] I want them set free

ThereÂ’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it

[Hayek] Blame low interest rates.

[Keynes] NoÂ… itÂ’s the animal spirits

The place you should study isnÂ’t the bust

ItÂ’s the boom that should make you feel leery, thatÂ’s the thrust

Of my theory, the capital structure is key.

Malinvestments wreck the economy

The boom gets started with an expansion of credit

The Fed sets rates low, are you starting to get it?

That new money is confused for real loanable funds

But itÂ’s just inflation thatÂ’s driving the ones

Who invest in new projects like housing construction

The boom plants the seeds for its future destruction

The savings arenÂ’t real, consumptionÂ’s up too

And the grasping for resources reveals thereÂ’s too few

So the boom turns to bust as the interest rates rise

With the costs of production, price signals were lies

The boom was a binge thatÂ’s a matter of fact

Now its devalued capital that makes up the slack.

Whether itÂ’s the late twenties or two thousand and five

Booming bad investments, seems like theyÂ’d thrive

You must save to invest, donÂ’t use the printing press

Or a bust will surely follow, an economy depressed

Your so-called “stimulus” will make things even worse

ItÂ’s just more of the same, more incentives perversed

And that credit crunch ainÂ’t a liquidity trap

Just a broke banking system, IÂ’m done, thatÂ’s a wrap.

WeÂ’ve been goinÂ’ back n forth for a century

[Keynes] I want to steer markets,

[Hayek] I want them set free

ThereÂ’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it

[Hayek] Blame low interest rates.

[Keynes] No itÂ’s the animal spirits

“The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.”

John Maynard Keynes

The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money

“The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”

F A Hayek

The Fatal Conceit

Whose side are you on?

I am an Austrian, and while the Keynesian theory sounds great, I do not believe it stands up to deductive and inductive analysis. Read the rap and make a comment.

I hate, hate, hate, hate Keynesianism. I'm a firm supply-sider, and from what little I know about Austrian economics, I like the sound of it. But I need to do more research on it.

On a different subject, I've got further into my book on FDR. I've been shocked to learn that he was as morally bankrupt as he was economically clueless. He used the IRS as a political tool to lock up his enemies, and sat back while Democratic city bosses used corruption to garner votes. He channeled the majority of federal aid to swing states while Solid South Democratic states received very little in comparison.

So basically, he was corrupt before Nixon made it cool.

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Post self-deleted by Pevvania.

Someone come on Chatzy :I

I would agree mostly Pevvania, but we have to look at some other aid programs. Such as the TVA, Civilian Corps of Engineers, and the Social Security. All of those worked at the time, but now the only thing that is still working is the TVA. Social Security should be a private companies job, as the government has no place in individual lives, adding to cuts would be Obamacare, unemployment and food stamps (churches and charities can handle welfare), and cut most of the foreign aid such places as Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, and Brazil. Just by doing that we can reduce our deficit and end our debt, while still maintaining a powerful military, strong economy and and a strong sense of national unity.

ps. also lower commerce taxes in the US, while raising the taxes on companies that move jobs outside the US

I would like to interject that I believe we should use the Chilean model of social security, Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain both explain it well and if you watch their 1 on 1 2012 debate by c-span you can really understand how it works.

I think we should have no social security, at all. There is no "perfect" model and there is no model which is not ethically outrageous and morally bankrupt insofar as forcing other people to pay for you.

I disagree, I believe the current model is bankrupting us but with no social security at all people will live paycheck to paycheck at some low paying job and never get a long deserved rest. I only support social security because it just doesn't seem right that people cannot retire at a set age and enjoy the rest of their lives.

I'm in favor of a flat, low tax. Like really low. Like 0.

ISA, it is no-one's responsibility but yours to save money for your retirement. To expect the state and therefore the victims of the state to sponsor your old age is not acceptable

The income tax should be abolished: proportions are progressive and therefore unequally burdened towards the wealthy.

I'm in favor of a pancake tax. Like 0% flat. And with the government paying you with pancake breakfasts to pay for the atrocious crimes they've committed against their people. :P

I like a 10% flat income tax that never goes up or down.

I'm not anti-tax, as taxes are necessary for the few things that the government should be involved in. But income tax is morally wrong, in my opinion. The fed has no right to be taking anything out of what an individual earns. The US was doing just fine even as an emerging military power before it was introduced in 1912. But it's a part of government that just balloons out of proportion to incorporate so many programs, if you got rid of the income tax today you'd be pulling the rug from under millions of Americans. It needs to be eliminated slowly, program-by-program.

My father has always believed in a 10% flat tax, and while that's good, I'd prefer a three-tier rate: 0% on lower-income families, 20% on higher-income families, and 10% on everyone in between.

On the subject of Social Security, it's not a program that I know too much about, but I was flabbergasted to learn that this money-guzzling behemoth that I'd heard so much about was mostly old age pensions, when I'd always thought it was unemployment welfare. It should be privatised; everyone should be responsible for saving up for themselves to retire. But I don't know why so many people want to retire. I plan to keep working until my last breath :P

well as i understand it social security is a retirement plan provided to you by the government

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