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The Time Alliance wrote:3. Oh. I live in Georgia. Here we don't have that crap. Here Private schools wear uniforms whilst Public Schools don't. My States schools let people out. Your forgetting it's not the government as a whole. It's each individual Board. You can't say all Public Schools are as bad as one another.

2. Read my previous reply.

1. The main fracture for anything private is money. Not love or compassion. Only greed. Education shouldn't be about greed. It should be about teaching our kids.

Money is the main motivator, but there are other reasons than just "greed." For example, you may become a teacher because you like working with students and teaching other people. Rarely do people go to a job for simply making money.

The Time Alliance wrote:

1. The main fracture for anything private is money.

Well, yeah, but better service = more customers = more money, thus incentive for better service.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Money is the main motivator, but there are other reasons than just "greed." For example, you may become a teacher because you like working with students and teaching other people. Rarely do people go to a job for simply making money.

Making money is the basis though. Is it not?

Miencraft wrote:Well, yeah, but better service = more customers = more money, thus incentive for better service.

You can do this equation as well.

Service for the majority=More Customers=Money.

The Time Alliance wrote:

Service for the majority=More Customers=Money.

Except for how there's no actual incentive for public schools to do anything beyond what's required for the tests, as that's all they need to get money.

Miencraft wrote:Except for how there's no actual incentive for public schools to do anything beyond what's required for the tests, as that's all they need to get money.

Well the only goal of Private schools would be to cater to the majority.

The Time Alliance wrote:Well the only goal of Private schools would be to cater to the majority.

Not particularly. If the majority wants to take their business elsewhere due to poor quality, then they're going to do that, thus driving the lower quality schools out.

Miencraft wrote:Not particularly. If the majority wants to take their business elsewhere due to poor quality, then they're going to do that, thus driving the lower quality schools out.

The majority is the LOW QUALITY OF STUDENTS.

[quote]Making money is the basis though. Is it not?[/quote] The basis is to make a stable income. In most accounts people have more than one choice of a job they would like to enter. If money was the sole basis, then everyone who went to college would only get a degree in law or medicine.

[quote=the_time_alliance;5498622]Well the only goal of Private schools would be to cater to the majority. [/quote]

I thought that was the goal of public schools. You know, to educate the masses without having any incentive to cater to the individual, or giving them a choice?

fkin quote feature pardon me.

The Time Alliance wrote:The majority is the LOW QUALITY OF STUDENTS.

By what standards, though?

By the standards of those students, it's the school what's low quality.

By the school's standards, well, they're just students. Who cares?

Miencraft wrote:By what standards, though?

By the standards of those students, it's the school what's low quality.

By the school's standards, well, they're just students. Who cares?

It doesn't fall upon the government to educate the youth. It falls upon the youth to educate Themselves

The Time Alliance wrote:It doesn't fall upon the government to educate the youth. It falls upon the youth to educate Themselves

That just doesn't make sense. I suppose I just missed your point, but I just don't get it.

The Time Alliance wrote:1. It doesn't fall upon the government to educate the youth. 2. It falls upon the youth to educate Themselves

1. I absolutely agree with you on this.

2. That's also pretty agreeable, but at the same time there's really not much the youth can do to educate themselves. I mean, you never really know how reliable anything out there is.

Humpheria wrote:That just doesn't make sense. I suppose I just missed your point, but I just don't get it.

It makes plenty of sense. If a youth is not educated it is their fault. Not the government's.

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Humpheria wrote:It is not the government's fault. But it is not theirs either. If they are not given the resources, then how would it be their fault. If not given food, is it one's fault to starve?

If they are too lazy to get a job, then it is most definitely their fault if they starve.

Humpheria wrote:It is not the government's fault. But it is not their. If they are not given the resources, then how would it be their fault. If not given food, is it one's fault to starve?

Did they work to get food? And Comparing a service to a need is not a good comparison

It has to be someone's fault. The youth don't need any schools to learn anything.

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

Humpheria wrote:I agree, but that's not the point. I meant that in a metaphoric term focusing on Alliance's comment, I did not take every astronomically possible factor in account when I typed those ten words. I apologize if you thought I did.

Because apparently having a job is way out there when it comes to ways to obtain food.

Alright, if you want to take something past the intended point with snide remarks in what I thought was an intelligent debate, I digress. Carry on.

Alchandria wrote:If they are too lazy to get a job, then it is most definitely their fault if they starve.

It is.

Alchandria wrote:Because apparently having a job is way out there when it comes to ways to obtain food.

Quit with those remarks. You are currently running for a seat. People running for a seat shouldn't make these remarks.

Alchandria: I find your conduct since the start of this election unsettling and inappropriate for one of your status. Due to this, not just your remarks to me, I withdraw my endorsement from your campaign. I'm sure this will not effect you too much, as you seem to not care about anything.

Alliance: Our views differ too greatly so I will not endorse you either, I'll just sit this one out.

I think the biggest question here is why the debates here always boil down to list making lol

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Atlas facepalms.

This is great

Muh Roads wrote:I think the biggest question here is why the debates here always boil down to list making lol

Oh my God. *takes off glasses*

Humpheria wrote:Alchandria: I find your conduct since the start of this election unsettling and inappropriate for one of your status. Due to this, not just your remarks to me, I withdraw my endorsement from your campaign. I'm sure this will not effect you too much, as you seem to not care about anything.

Alliance: Our views differ too greatly so I will not endorse you either, I'll just sit this one out.

No problem man. We all have opinions. If you don't agree with the candidates don't support them.

Muh Roads wrote:I think the biggest question here is why the debates here always boil down to list making lol

List making?

Humpheria wrote:Alchandria: I find your conduct since the start of this election unsettling and inappropriate for one of your status. Due to this, not just your remarks to me, I withdraw my endorsement from your campaign. I'm sure this will not effect you too much, as you seem to not care about anything.

Alliance: Our views differ too greatly so I will not endorse you either, I'll just sit this one out.

It is probably a little to late to apologize to all of you, but I would like to do so anyways. If you haven't yet noticed, I can't quite keep my mouth shut too well. I feel that is a trait that is not befitting of anyone with any degree of power around here. I apologize for the things I say and how I say those things. However, I will never apologize for my beliefs or my eagerness to express them.

As for the elections, I am not dropping out as long as Time alliance opposes my position. I plan on Dropping out when I find an opponent I see fit to take over, such as in the next elections or whenever I get the opportunity.

Example A:

The Time Alliance wrote:1.So corporations owning schools. I immediately see how the only incentive here will be money. Cue the teachers doing something to make the school look better than it is.

2. Okay. I'll post this again. http://neatoday.org/2013/12/10/how-public-schools-have-the-edge-over-private-schools/ it mentions a very good book

3. Free Market doesn't solve everything. I'm just believing here greed happens and EVENTUALLY they will end up tailoring to the lowest student. Because either way. It's money.

We have an honors program for smart kids. Students already have enough freedoms. Those laws are their for a reason.

Example B:

Pevvania wrote:1. You're not seeing the big picture. To get more money, they'll need more customers, and to get more customers they'll have to outperform competing schools by being better. It's as simple as that. No Child Left Behind looks at test scores and nothing else, while a private firm has the incentive to meet most or all the needs of students for its revenues. If it fails to perform, it'll go under.

2. See my previous reply.

3. What are you trying to say?

I mean restrictions like dress codes and market bans. My family and I were planning to take a trip to DC a few weeks ago, but one of the reasons we could not was because my 14-year-old brother is not allowed to be taken out of school. This isn't just a school restriction, its straight from Westminster. My point is that private schools are much more flexible to suit students.

Alchandria wrote:It is probably a little to late to apologize to all of you, but I would like to do so anyways. If you haven't yet noticed, I can't quite keep my mouth shut too well. I feel that is a trait that is not befitting of anyone with any degree of power around here. I apologize for the things I say and how I say those things. However, I will never apologize for my beliefs or my eagerness to express them.

As for the elections, I am not dropping out as long as Time alliance opposes my position. I plan on Dropping out when I find an opponent I see fit to take over, such as in the next elections or whenever I get the opportunity.

Do not take my comments in offense. What you just did, I admire greatly. And regardless of what the "Haters" say, never apologizes for your beliefs. I just wish that you would go about it a different way. And I would rather you than your opponent, now one called for a resignation.

I think I'll regard my first few months here as a rough patch and leave it at that. Also, I don't take your comments to offense because you happen to be right.

Humpheria wrote:Example A:

Example B:

Ah. Haha.

Alchandria wrote:It is probably a little to late to apologize to all of you, but I would like to do so anyways. If you haven't yet noticed, I can't quite keep my mouth shut too well. I feel that is a trait that is not befitting of anyone with any degree of power around here. I apologize for the things I say and how I say those things. However, I will never apologize for my beliefs or my eagerness to express them.

As for the elections, I am not dropping out as long as Time alliance opposes my position. I plan on Dropping out when I find an opponent I see fit to take over, such as in the next elections or whenever I get the opportunity.

Standing up for your beliefs is good no matter what they are. I for one was hoping you wouldn't. What's the point of elections if there is only one person running.

Humpheria wrote:Do not take my comments in offense. What you just did, I admire greatly. And regardless of what the "Haters" say, never apologizes for your beliefs. I just wish that you would go about it a different way. And I would rather you than your opponent, now one called for a resignation.

Whom called for a resignation?

He was talking about dropping out, when no one mentioned it before that.

I meant I wouldn't run next time if I approved of the other candidate's agenda.

Than I misunderstood, I apologize.

Humpheria wrote:He was talking about dropping out, when no one mentioned it before that.

Oh. Sorry the typo threw me off.

Alchandria wrote:I meant I wouldn't run next time if I approved of the other candidate's agenda.

Makes sense. By the way is the Socialist Anarchist Party active or defunct?

The Time Alliance wrote:Oh. Sorry the typo threw me off.Makes sense. By the way is the Socialist Anarchist Party active or defunct?

I'd say it is defunct.

Alchandria wrote:I'd say it is defunct.

I believed it was.

I'm sure you could revive it. It just might be hard to find people who agree with that particular political standing.

Alchandria wrote:I'm sure you could revive it. It just might be hard to find people who agree with that particular political standing.

No. I'm not looking to put 2 parties under one person. I'm not wanting nationalized or corporate (whichever one it is) party ownership. I'm not Monopolizing or Nationalizing parties.

And there are plenty who agree with it on NS.

The Time Alliance wrote:I believed it was.

Any party that is defunct may be revived by membership, just as a party can be founded by membership.

The Time Alliance wrote:

And there are plenty who agree with it on NS.

I never actually met anyone on here that understood it. I know I don't.

Humpheria wrote:Goodnight all.

G'Night

On that note, welcome new nations to Libertatem!! If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask me or one of the other fine nations here!

Who exactly do I have to talk to to start a raid?

Alchandria wrote:Who exactly do I have to talk to to start a raid?

The manager of military affairs or the president would be a good start

Muh Roads wrote:The manager of military affairs or the president would be a good start

Thank you. I wasn't quite sure since ARMA passed.

Currently trying to win WAD of The Federal Islands to get them more involved in REATO activity but I have good reason to suspect that the current WAD is cheating to win so yeah. That's going really well.

I just sent a puppet to vote for you.

So, does Liberosia ever do anything at all?

In my experience, he serves as a silent sentinel. Stepping in only when necessary.

I feel like he stays just to keep us from being founderless.

He's left before, as long as his nation exists, we will be protected. He has still done somethings in the past as well.

Who was president before Pevvania?

Alchandria wrote:So, does Liberosia ever do anything at all?

He retired from regional affairs a while ago to become a private citizen. I don't think he has as much time for NationStates these days, but I talk to him fairly often so I know he's still alive.

Alchandria wrote:Who was president before Pevvania?

There's a good factbook about past Preaisents on the forums, but its kind of out of date. Before me came Snabagag, who I defeated in an election. He served for over a year. Before him was Tundrania, who served sporadically over a period of a few months or so. In between one of his terms was The Lone Star, who served for three days.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Currently trying to win WAD of The Federal Islands to get them more involved in REATO activity but I have good reason to suspect that the current WAD is cheating to win so yeah. That's going really well.

I sent my vote already. I strongly suspect cheating as well..

I have almost completely socialized my economy with very little capitalism.

#1 for Nicest Citizens

#2 for Smartest Citizens

#1 for Healthiest Citizens.

The Time Alliance wrote:I have almost completely socialized my economy with very little capitalism.

#1 for Nicest Citizens

#2 for Smartest Citizens

#1 for Healthiest Citizens.

Are you bragging or complaining? :-)

Presidential Statement

Libertatem condemns the flagrant abuses of power being conducted in The Federal Islands 2Nd Gen by a candidate so desperate to win an election that they'll resort to corruptive and unfair practices simply in order to win. The President reminds the WA Delegate that true victory comes not from the most puppeteered votes, but from the support of your people.

Pevvania wrote:Presidential Statement

Libertatem condemns the flagrant abuses of power being conducted in The Federal Islands 2Nd Gen by a candidate so desperate to win an election that they'll resort to corruptive and unfair practices simply in order to win. The President reminds the WA Delegate that true victory comes not from the most puppeteered votes, but from the support of your people.

The Board seconds,

Pevvania wrote:Presidential Statement

Libertatem condemns the flagrant abuses of power being conducted in The Federal Islands 2Nd Gen by a candidate so desperate to win an election that they'll resort to corruptive and unfair practices simply in order to win. The President reminds the WA Delegate that true victory comes not from the most puppeteered votes, but from the support of your people.

I'm just so sick of Neutricland's scheming. It's the whole reason I came to Libertatem with my main country in the first place. It's why I'm trying to get him out of WAD there in the first place.

Neutricland is a clown. He is still trying to get my vote.

Pevvania wrote:Presidential Statement

Libertatem condemns the flagrant abuses of power being conducted in The Federal Islands 2Nd Gen by a candidate so desperate to win an election that they'll resort to corruptive and unfair practices simply in order to win. The President reminds the WA Delegate that true victory comes not from the most puppeteered votes, but from the support of your people.

If you guys could report all instances of corruption, in detail, to my puppet in the Federal Islands, it would be greatly appreciated.

Alchandria wrote:Are you bragging or complaining? :-)

This is what happens with Socialism mixed w/ capitalism.

The Time Alliance wrote:This is what happens with Socialism mixed w/ capitalism.

Sounds inefficient and bureaucratic.

One or the other, please.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sounds inefficient and bureaucratic.

One or the other, please.

Seconded.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sounds inefficient and bureaucratic.

One or the other, please.

I choose capitalism :)

Last time, on NS Trek II:

Pev: "Connnnnnnnnnnnn!"

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Last time, on NS Trek II:

Pev: "Connnnnnnnnnnnn!"

Teehee

"Anarcho-Communism"

Is that an idiom?

SAT VOCAB WORD TEN POINTS

No, it is an oxymoron. Go back to the PSAT, newb.

Can we accept the embassy request from that Pink Floyd region? I think we all agree that Floyd is beautiful.

Hallo Island wrote:"Anarcho-Communism"

Is that an idiom?

SAT VOCAB WORD TEN POINTS

No. Communism in literal sense has NO. Government.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sounds inefficient and bureaucratic.

One or the other, please.

See this is the problem. People don't understand that two things can be mixed into something better (if done right)

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Last time, on NS Trek II:

Pev: "Connnnnnnnnnnnn!"

Hahahaha! I love it!

The Time Alliance wrote:No. Communism in literal sense has NO. Government.

See this is the problem. People don't understand that two things can be mixed into something better (if done right)

Socialism: Workers are the owners. Industries are nationalized and/or democratized.

Capitalism: Private individuals are the owners. Industries are privatized.

You cannot mix it. It's like mixing oil and water, and then throwing on a match.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Socialism: Workers are the owners. Industries are nationalized and/or democratized.

Capitalism: Private individuals are the owners. Industries are privatized.

You cannot mix it. It's like mixing oil and water, and then throwing on a match.

It's easy to mix. Nationalize important things like Education, Healthcare, Energy, and Welfare. And keep the capitalistic Corporations.

And on health care. Before saying anything Obama care was Nationalized healthcare gone wrong. What we should do is this.

Have a base plan that everyone can receive. If someone wants to pay for better insurance they can then get it thus creating a mix of Nationalized healthcare while keeping insurance companies.

(I didn't come up with that plan. Blue Shield medical insurance did. )

Ah yes and congratulations to Alchandria and the Libertarian Objectivist Party onv winning seat 5!

The Time Alliance wrote:Ah yes and congratulations to Alchandria and the Libertarian Objectivist Party onv winning seat 5!

Thank you, time alliance, for a fun race. A lot of nations that I didn't know existed came out of nowhere to vote; we really stirred up regional politics. It was a good race.

Congratulations, Alchandria. Looking forward to serving with you again.

Miencraft wrote:Congratulations, Alchandria. Looking forward to serving with you again.

And me you.

Okay elections ended 6-12

I'm not counting someone who voted for my opponent due to this.

5 hours ago: The United States of Dick Balls arrived from The Black Riders

The Time Alliance wrote:It's easy to mix. Nationalize important things like Education, Healthcare, Energy, and Welfare. And keep the capitalistic Corporations.

This is similar to the system in the US. Turn on the news and see how well it works. I you nationalize "important things" than you run the risk of the government getting bigger and spending more, which history has proved detrimental to the very society they serve. Look around you. Soon all of the political ideologies just start to blur. I rarely speak up in the policy discussions of this region, but I feel like it's time to speak up. Muh pointed out that debates boil down to lists here so...

1. Socialism is ineffective to grow a nation. It might be a good policy for a compact state, but not a large one. To distribute the wealth, you have to have wealth, and Socialist states run out quickly. Under FDR, the Socialist of America, added $236 Billion (in the trillions for today's money) to the debt, a 1,048% increase. That started a chain which has not effectively been stopped since. Primarily, because of his laws and policies that still exist today.

2. Capitalism has it's flaws too. I classify with it much more easily, but it is not perfect. The difference is that Socialism has no room for economic growth and Capitalism IS economic growth. How could letting the people run their own lives not make sense?

3. The point of the policy critique is to show that very large fissures of difference. You cannot cross the two. You either take everything or you give everyone the resources to start themselves.

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

Now, some government stuff. I call before the House, Board, and the Executive, the three votes of Dick Balls Ankinas Seriffe. The first nation is an inappropriately named puppet from The Black Riders, obviously. The two latter nations are disgustingly obvious puppets. They were founded a day ago and moved straight here, with the exception of moving to another region to mask suspicion, and at the first moment of citizenship voted in the election and did nothing else. I officially, as Chairman, call for the removal of their votes from the record and for those puppets to be barred from Regional activities.

Humpheria wrote:Now, some government stuff. I call before the House, Board, and the Executive, the three votes of Dick Balls Ankinas Seriffe. The first nation is an inappropriately named puppet from The Black Riders, obviously. The two latter nations are disgustingly obvious puppets. They were founded a day ago and moved straight here, with the exception of moving to another region to mask suspicion, and at the first moment of citizenship voted in the election and did nothing else. I officially, as Chairman, call for the removal of their votes from the record and for those puppets to be barred from Regional activities.

While I agree with you on the first, do know that I sent out roughly 2000 recruitment telegrams.

5 recruits:

The Dictatorship of Seriffe (1 day ago)

The Free Land of Ankinas (1 day 6 hours ago)

The Kingdom of Kyleas nation bitches (1 day 12 hours ago)

The Principality of Fernadendrum (1 day 14 hours ago)

The Republic of Daoinetir (1 day 16 hours ago)

They both came from my TG's. I cant say the same for mr.dick. lol

Alright, if you say so. I digress. It just seems suspicious that they came literally right after being created.

Muh Roads wrote:While I agree with you on the first, do know that I sent out roughly 2000 recruitment telegrams.

Humpheria wrote:This is similar to the system in the US. Turn on the news and see how well it works. I you nationalize "important things" than you run the risk of the government getting bigger and spending more, which history has proved detrimental to the very society they serve. Look around you. Soon all of the political ideologies just start to blur. I rarely speak up in the policy discussions of this region, but I feel like it's time to speak up. Muh pointed out that debates boil down to lists here so...

1. Socialism is ineffective to grow a nation. It might be a good policy for a compact state, but not a large one. To distribute the wealth, you have to have wealth, and Socialist states run out quickly. Under FDR, the Socialist of America, added $236 Billion (in the trillions for today's money) to the debt, a 1,048% increase. That started a chain which has not effectively been stopped since. Primarily, because of his laws and policies that still exist today.

2. Capitalism has it's flaws too. I classify with it much more easily, but it is not perfect. The difference is that Socialism has no room for economic growth and Capitalism IS economic growth. How could letting the people run their own lives not make sense?

3. The point of the policy critique is to show that very large fissures of difference. You cannot cross the two. You either take everything or you give everyone the resources to start themselves.

It is similar to the American system however Obama care was failed because of how it was enacted. Not because it offered nationalization. Well here's an idea. Spend less on non -important things like NASA, NSA, CIA, Military and Congressional Salaries. List time?

1.I'm not suggesting socialism. I'm suggesting Nationalized Capitalism. Keep capitalism while nationalizing things that you can't trust Corporations with. And FDR? You mean the guy who ended the great depression. Which might I add was caused by capitalism? Yesh. Socialism totally ruined us.

2. Both have good and bad points. But both also have good points.

3. Maybe if we learned about compromise of systems The world wouldn't be so screwed up. Because as the world shows. Both systems are failing.

You do bring up a good point though [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation]. Maybe we should write legislation on voting requirements. Especially since the trouble in TFI. The only difficulty is going to be the house, seeing as all member nations are still considered part of it.

Humpheria wrote:Alright, if you say so. I digress. It just seems suspicious that they came literally right after being created.
Anyone in that list clicked the grey box you get with recruitment telegrams, so its possible they are puppets, I wont deny that.

I feel like we're going in circles with this whole puppet issue

The Time Alliance wrote:Okay elections ended 6-12

I'm not counting someone who voted for my opponent due to this.

5 hours ago: The United States of Dick Balls arrived from The Black Riders

Regardless of the puppets, you still lose. Your infantile "its not fair" whining is irrelevant. Alchandria won. Stop belly aching about it.

Hallo Island wrote:Regardless of the puppets, you still lose. Your infantile "its not fair" whining is irrelevant. Alchandria won. Stop belly aching about it.

Easy there, Time Alliance lost fair and Square and even congratulated Alchandria on his victory.

The Time Alliance wrote:Ah yes and congratulations to Alchandria and the Libertarian Objectivist Party onv winning seat 5!

Lack There Of wrote:I feel like we're going in circles with this whole puppet issue

I agree and as the new Manager of Internal Affairs I believe this will be the perfect issue to address first as I get cozy in my new office. Im gonna need a ficus haha

A FICUS NEXT TO YOUR FUTON!

Power goes off for a few hours and all this happens while I'm gone :P

[B]The Board Elections are now closed[/B]

This was a rather uneventful election cycle, save for the widely-publicised retention of Seat 5 and the cabinet shuffle-up. New changes to the Board and cabinet will be made official tomorrow, as the new (-ish) Board begins its first day. Thank you [nation=short]Lack There Of[/nation] for your service to the cabinet, and welcome to the Board at the same time. I also look forward to working with [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] to improve the region's domestic affairs and [nation=short]Conservative Idealism[/nation]in a new capacity more befitting to him.

Concerning the recent 'scandal': I don't find it plausible that [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] may have resorted to vote-rigging. First of all, two of the three new arrivals came on Muh Roads's request. Secondly, Alchandria never ran a strong campaign, so wouldn't have gone to the lengths of puppeteering just for the sake of winning. And thirdly, why resort to such a tactic when you're guaranteed victory anyway? There's simply no motive for this whatsoever. But, in respecting the sovereignty of the Board, if they wish to mount an investigation or have the Attorney-General embark on one they may do so, although I see no reason to at all.

Hallo Island wrote:A FICUS NEXT TO YOUR FUTON!

Mr Moseby

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