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Region: Libertatem
You are making a very intelligent argument here. Good job, boy.
Your intellectual and rational points have swayed the dirty, uneducated plebians. Here's your trophy.
Pevvania, Rateria
>Has no argument
>Resorts to... whatever this is.
Classic.
You do realize this is not what any of us want you to do, right? We don't want you tell us what you think we want to hear (which, for the record, is not only way the hell off the mark but it's off the mark in such a way that it's actually grossly offensive on account of how it's based on your completely warped perception of those who disagree with you, but as we established earlier, it is your right to have this perception and to act accordingly), we want you to tell us what you believe and provide facts to back up why you believe it.
This ain't fun if we don't get to throw facts around, and it's certainly not fun if people show up and act like idiots because they think that's what we want to see.
Pevvania, Rateria
It's no wonder that Donald Trump won, he was the only serious candidate who wasn't condescending. Unlike Clinton, Sanders, and Stein, and a whole busload of republican candidates, he wasn't degrading the workers, wasn't lookong down his nose like an intellectual snob, wasn't criticizing and insulting the American working class. I for one can't stand rich and priviledged snobs, and I don't think I could ever support someone who treated me like I was somehow the problem.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
This is Libertatem, an internet community founded on libertarian principles. It has members from many different countries, religious backgrounds, ideologies, and social classes. We desire diversity in thought, but we also prefer coherent arguments and kind people. This is a community first, and a forum for debate second. That said, we won't censor you, because of our principles.
Miencraft, Rateria
thinking emoji inensifies
Rateria
Highway Eight Your flag is gold btw. xd
Rateria, Highway Eight
shut up already
Miencraft
Well then, I was searching for a more libertarian region, not a MAGA one.
Mean no harm, but I guess it's better for me to move on.
Speaking of, I wonder how many Libertatemites are libertarian vs. conservative vs. etc.
We should do a poll to see!
Rateria
I'm so confused with what my politics even are with how much they've constantly changed recently that I rather not bother with ideology.
Rateria
I mean, if you're going to interpret "Trump has positive qualities and is far better than the alternatives" as this being a firmly Trump region, sure.
But it'd be dumb for anyone here to believe he's perfect, especially from a libertarian perspective.
But, y'know, whatever, good luck finding whatever you're looking for. I don't have any real recommendations but there might be something good in this region's embassies.
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eight
He's truly been a President for everyone. Thats why I think he broadly gets support from across the entire Right-wing spectrum.
A little for the Populists, a little for the Conservatives, a lilttle for the Libertarians, etc.
All for for actual American progress.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Highway Eight
I've actually thought Trump is pretty libertarian for a Republican. He's no Rand Paul, but he's been slashing taxes and regulations, I don't see any evidence he's particularly anti-weed or homophobic. Maybe the people he's surrounded himself with are, but he NEEDED to do that for the evangelical vote. The tarrifs are annoying and I don't like using sanctions as ways to punish a regime's actions that we don't like, but I've come around to the idea that if they already have sanctions on us then we can have them on them. Free trade is great, but FAIR trade is better. Finally, he may play the strong-armed character, but he hasn't entangled us in another stupid war, so he's no war-hawk.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Highway Eight
It is a libertarian region and has been for the six years it's been around. We are composed of folks that fall across the right-wing spectrum (I even think we still have a few ancaps), and some of us don't support President Trump. But many of us, particularly those with more conservative libertarian leanings such as myself, view Trump as a net positive for our goals and for American politics, because we are pragmatists and not blind ideologues. This does not mean he is immune to criticism, and as with any other president we comment on, we give credit where it's due and criticism when disapproval when appropriate.
I'm disappointed you capitulated so easily. I know you were the lone left-of-center voice in this debate, but there's nothing fun or satisfying about watching you give up, pretend to agree with us and then leave. I was looking forward to a well-reasoned and fact-based rebuttal to our points, but I suppose we won't get that now. It's attitudes like this that create the very echo chambers you decry, limit debate and stifle constructive engagement between the two sides of politics. For shame.
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eight
I agree with you. The record is mixed, but under this administration we are seeing free speech being defended, a willingness to end the wars, openness to marijuana decriminalization (according to a recent statement from Trump) and progress towards criminal justice reform. He's a hell of a lot more libertarian than the previous four presidents, that's clear.
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight
It's upsetting when folk come around wanting an echo chamber for their particular and specific views. That's not Libertatem. The goal is to have many different views presented by tolerant, fair, and open minded people. Sure, the region is libertarian, but that doesn't mean everyone has to fit with pure, dogmatic doctrinism. At least, that's how I see Libertatem. I for one don't fit the bill, holding conservationist views.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
I don't think conservationism is automatically incompatible with libertarian/conservative views. I too believe we need to protect our environment around us, and there is a movement of 'geo-libertarians' and environmentalists in the conservative movement that feel the same.
Miencraft, Rateria
In the welcome tg, the citizens register is from a dead nation, and you have to search the graveyard to read it. Just fyi.
And hiya...
Rateria
Well, thanks for telling us. Also, welcome to Libertatem!
Metis Nation
Spot on. Trumps election shined a big ol light under the kitchen sink...the roaches are everywhere.
Horrible selection in my country to choose from next election both federally, and provincially.
I thought I was an anarchist finally...but was informed my idea of burning everything to the ground wasn't actually anarchy...well fuuuu...anarchy has rules...wtf
Rateria
Hold on a second - did Auxorii seriously create a region called Liber? Isn't that name a little, err, familiar?
Rateria
Yeah and you're way late to the party.
Rateria, Highway Eight
Pffffffffffffffft.
Rateria
:)
Rateria
Hes right. Weve been memeing about it for a while.
Aux: "Libertatem is a corrupt dictatorship, I'm going to go establish my own region"
Also Aux: *creates a corrupt dictatorship*
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
Post by The States Of Balloon suppressed by a moderator.
Post by Skaveria suppressed by a moderator.
I heard that he had to ask his fans to stop commenting Okay, now this is epic. on his tweets.
Pevvania
Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Twin Towers In Epic Attack To OWN New York Libs
Rateria
Ben Shapiro LITERALLY MURDERS WITH A KNIFE, CALIFORNIA LIBERAL using nuance and class.
Pevvania, Rateria
In Fords memoirs, written after he lost the election to Jimmy Carter, he wrote that he hadnt taken the Reagan threat seriously because he didnt take Reagan seriously. Reagan, he said, had a penchant for offering simplistic solutions to hideously complex problems and a stubborn insistence that he was always right in every argument.
Reminder that Reagan was also derided, discounted and mocked for what was perceived to be a shallow intellect, much as Trump is today. Also a reminder that, as Reagan himself said, "there are no easy answers, but there are simple answers." He was vindicated and the Nixon/Kissinger/Ford crowd were proven wrong when simple solutions did end America's troubles. The so-called 'moderate' Republicans of the 1960s and 1970s failed dismally at both dealing with the mounting economic crisis (and indeed helped cause it), and at confronting Communism internationally. Nixon and Ford - and Carter too for that matter - saw it more apt to tinker at the edges of policy and decision-making, seeking to retain the established order, and refused bold action or any dramatic changes in course. Reagan shocked all his detractors when it was an ambitious yet simple policy mix that ended stagflation and defeated the Soviet Union. Cut government, keep money tight and spur economic recovery; build up the military, confront the Soviets everywhere and apply pressure economically, and they will crumble. Reagan was right.
It's not dogmatic to stand by your principles if those principles are fundamentally sound.
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Metis Nation
BEN SHAPIRO DROPS TRUTH BOMBS ON HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI
Pevvania, Rateria, Skaveria
Post by Jadentopian Order suppressed by a moderator.
Post by The States Of Balloon suppressed by a moderator.
Knock it off with the obscene RMB posts. And it's not just you, it's people copying and quoting you.
This is a game played by children as well as adults. "Your" RMB is a public page. If you want to post X-rated content, go join a porn site's comment section.
The New United States, Skaveria, Highway Eight, Metis Nation
Ben Shapiro LITERALLY ASSASSINATES liberal JOHN F. KENNEDY using common sense and logic.
Rateria
It is a shame that people who would otherwise encourage me to express myself are now silencing me because they personally do not like what I create
San Carlos Islands
NS Mods NAPALM Tatemites With FACTS and AGENT ORANGE their countrysides with LOGIC
Somehow I knew those posts were gonna get suppressed and yet I posted it anyways.
Once again we are being attacked for presenting new ideas
Rateria, The States Of Balloon, Highway Eight
Lol
So am I allowed to post X-Rated content for educational purposes that children can learn from? Anyways, children can range from any age and your site only asks for "date of birth," which is not the same thing as mental age.
Highway Eight, San Carlos Islands
Post self-deleted by The States Of Balloon.
Ben Shapiro GASSES HIMSELF to prove JEWS DON'T CONTROL THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
You posted pornography on the RMB. Like the mod said, if you want to "express yourself" with smut, there are more appropriate places to do that.
Metis Nation
(That is a meme he is doing right now.)
Meme or not, pornographic content isn't appropriate for our RMB and it tarnishes our image.
Metis Nation
Well, no, the porn isn't the meme, but that response is.
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The "express myself" comment is a meme.
It's Balloon.
He lives and breathes memes.
Rateria
Ah, I see.
Rateria
I'm gonna destroy the government tonight.
This is a Marxist revolution, comrades!
I don't get why there are still people calling themselves anarcho-communists. In literally every Communist uprising, tankies used socialists and anarchists as bullet-fodder and then had them promptly lined against the wall and shot as soon as they gained power.
Wait was the post actually porn or just a Ben Shapiro X and Y with A and B meme? I don't even remember what I posted.
If Lenin hadn't died so soon there would be full communism
The New United States, Venomringo, Highway Eight
He was on the right track
Pevvania
Post self-deleted by The New United States.
It was the lyrics to ram ranch
Rateria
I am Highway Eight, and I do hereby abolish the state.
A vanguard of the leading Anarcho-Fascists has soezed control of the Libertatem community. So yeah. WoOoOo...
Maybe Caelapes will finally admit his admiration for Libertatem now that it's been transformed into a Commune....
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Aux come home and prove me right bby
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight
What's going on around here?
Rateria, Highway Eight
We reformed the government to be more Discord-centric, as well as other things. Were making memes out of it already.
Edit: Id youre not in the Discord already, I suggest doing so.
Highway Eight
Mostly what Rat said, but we've been doing a lot of memes because we abolished the government and replaced it with a council of the most senior active members. Also, this change caused a sudden jump in activity.
Miencraft, Rateria
Mostly because the one guy we banned isn't banned anymore and that other guy now approves of us because we've essentially implemented the government he's been advocating for.
Rateria, Highway Eight
Where can I find the link to the discord?
Rateria
https://discord.gg/qut6EPZ
Rateria
Meme of the month, alright
Miencraft, Rateria
In the States it is Labor Day today; the weekend where people who can afford to take the day off go out and promptly forget those who cannot. To celebrate we can encourage entrepreneurship, enterprise, and hard work in the spirit of Liberty. Whereas American labor unions bosses still shackle their members with offers of livable wage by the chains of Statism, an appetite for class envy, and the folly of a "bright" Socialist future.
If you run into a hard working person today give him (or her) some encouragement by quoting Ben Shapiro: "To move out of poverty you have to do 3 things in the U.S: 1. graduate high school. 2. get a job. 3. don't have kids until you are married. If you do those 3 things you will not stay in poverty 99.8% of the time."
The New United States, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I too walk up to random people and say Ben Shapiro quotes
Miencraft, Rateria, Skaveria, Highway Eight
*walks up to construction worker*
"My wife's a doctor."
Rateria
The Kaepernick/kneeling issue has been given a huge amount of undeserved attention. Whether or not you agree with the anthem protests, Kapernick is an intellectually shallow dimwit who can barely identify the perceived injustices he's protesting. His admiration for Communism is crass and undermines his (very limited) credibility. He's an uninformed, egotistical buffoon who can't find a job because he's a mediocre player, and somehow feels emboldened as some kind of civil rights hero as a result. The man is delusional. Protesting actual instances of police brutality and inequality is fine, but why do it when a) can't name any specific instances of such or even causes, b) cannot think of any solutions to the issue aside from kneeling and c) you protest by insulting the whole country?
Regardless, kneeling before the start of a football game is such an inconsequential issue compared to the actual problems we face as a country. It's petty surface-level stuff like this that lowers our collective IQ and just feeds into the pointless culture wars that occupy people's minds over civil liberties, rampant government spending, the direction of our foreign policy, and much more.
Miencraft, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
One of my favorite non-statistics from the left is "the new tax law accrues 87% of the benefits to the rich!". It's such a misleading statement it borders on outright mendaciousness. By 'benefits' they mean the literal cash benefits after tax, which obscures the narrative by not taking into account the percentage effects on each income group. If a multimillionaire pays $100,000 in income taxes a year and gets a 5% tax reduction on net, that's a $5000 tax saving. If a middle-class family pays $4000 in taxes a year, and gets $1000 off their tax bill, that's a 25% tax saving. To this, the left points with outrage that the rich man has 'gained' more than the middle class man. But to a multimillionaire, $5000 means much less than $1000 to a middle class man, and indeed the percentage reduction there is five times as much for the average Joe. But the left has never been concerned with facts, and if lying advances their poisonous ideology, then lie they must.
Here's a good Cato article on why the tax cuts, for better or worse, actually favor the middle class: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/senate-tax-bill-favors-middle-class-not-rich
Miencraft, Rateria
"In this country, if you spend your entire life poor, it means you are, by definition, bad with money." Ben Shapiro
Pevvania, Rateria
Why are we building embassies with the despicable Nazi Europa, and closing them with Cashnatchee, one of our oldest allies?
The New United States, Rateria
Cashnatchee closed first for whatever reason.
Nazi Europa, probably just for the memes.
Rateria
Let's not do that. We've stood proudly against the forces of fascism and authoritarianism for almost six years; let's not even entertain drifting back again.
Miencraft, The New United States, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order
Decides to come back to NS gets lost in hours of reading RMB xD
Rateria
I know you from the top of many lists you legend.
Rateria
I prefer the term Myth xD
Rateria
My view is similar. People obsess over these slights (such as "the kneel") when there are many other larger issues. I prefer to let people such as Kaepernick fade from relevance rather than attempting to vilify him. His entire focus right now is to garner attention and many feed into it which power his ego directly.
Pevvania, Kumquat Cove
Welcome back!
Exactly, why turn this guy into a martyr? What's the point?
Leftists: "the right to keep and bear arms is only for militias sweetie, read the 2nd Amendment"
>joins a militia
Leftists: "HE'S A REDNECK RIGHT-WING TERRORIST SHOOT HIM"
Miencraft, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria
You cant shoot someone if you dont have guns.
*Laughs in freedom*
Miencraft, Pevvania, Kumquat Cove
Unfortunately Leftists want the entity with the least motive for restraint, the state only to have the guns that shoot the people with whom they disagree.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
Leftists: Only the state should have guns.
Also Leftists: Drumpf is an evil Nazi! #ResistTrump!
Pevvania
(looks away in law enforcement)
Religious intolerance is antithetical to Libertarianism. You cannot be intolerant of another faith and also be a Libertarian, likewise, you cannot be intolerant of differing political opinions and honestly say you are a Libertarian.
Miencraft, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I dislike most religions, but I guess that's different than being intolerant of them.
Rateria
Yes because the difference is that you can dislike anything without simultaneously believing people don't have the right to do whatever it is you don't like.
Organized religion is utter trash, but of course people still have the right to believe whatever the hell they want.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Proletaire and all those mormons at The Red Fleet good job tagging a dead region. Fight on comrades, and bring Communism to the giant book advertisment which is Nationstates.
EDIT: There's an autocorrect issue in the above message, but I'll leave it uncorrected.
Rateria, The Liberty Brigades
>mormons
what do you have against TTA?
The Liberty Brigades
ah yes, finally, us single issue weed voters finally have representation
Miencraft, Rateria
Right-wing Populist who likes weed, prostitution, and gambling here.
Pevvania, Rateria
Okay, This Is Epic
Rateria
That's actually close to what I am as well.
Rateria
Poor people don't care that the income gap is increasing because they are keeping more money for themselves. Is this a sign of political illiteracy?
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