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Skaveria wrote:Ok boomer

Satisfactory, elder.

Islands

Post scarcity is nonsense. You'll always have scarcity of material goods to some extent, including things thought of as pretty common (such as water.) Even in unequal distribution where food is so common in the first world one might think of the better, least economically wasteful method of throwing your food away then the labor intensive, cost intensive option to transport it to Africa. And on a smaller scale do I remind people that food pantries exist?

Alterrum, Pevvania, The New United States

Also even in situations where the distribution is unequal, the best result will always be achieved by markets via Pareto optimality.

Alterrum, Pevvania, The New United States

We will always need human labor to create great art.

Islands, The New United States

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-economy-2020-analysis/brazil-economic-stars-align-turning-2020-into-make-or-break-year-idUSKBN1YG1T7

Just like in the US, despite the pomp of a loud, controversial and obnoxious leader lies an accelerating economic comeback due to smart conservative policies.

The New United States, Rateria

How is life friends? I’ve been looking

forward to Christmas break for a loong

time!

Islands, The New United States, Kumquat Cove, Rateria

Luxemborglo wrote:How is life friends? I’ve been looking

forward to Christmas break for a loong

time!

Life is going well for me. Thanks for asking. How about you?

The New United States, Luxemborglo

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:Post scarcity is nonsense. You'll always have scarcity of material goods to some extent, including things thought of as pretty common (such as water.) Even in unequal distribution where food is so common in the first world one might think of the better, least economically wasteful method of throwing your food away then the labor intensive, cost intensive option to transport it to Africa. And on a smaller scale do I remind people that food pantries exist?

Exactly; and on a more philosophical note, the human appetite for social display never vanishes; neither will the genetic inequalities in talent, health and beauty inherent to human beings which bring the former about. Hence, if the supply of some resource becomes infinite, new, limited commodities will be invented to signal high status. Countless commodities have undergone such transformations, from cars, high-end electronics etc. to the point where just buying a product for its brand name even when there are no significant differences in quality in comparison to a cheaper alternative remains a strong motivator for many consumers. Even in communist states, those with "connections" (which was the only way to get anything of any value -- speaking as a citizen of a former Soviet republic) had access to the nicest cars, quality food, best color TVs and so on. There really is no way to ever bring about a communist utopia in this world; for such high-minded aspirations, man needs religion. You cannot change the laws of the immanent world; you need a perspective that surpasses it. The communists have always made the naive mistake of thinking all our deepest existential desires can be satisfied by just economic policy.

The New United States, Republic Of Minerva

Rateria wrote:Life is going well for me. Thanks for asking. How about you?

Very good. I’m looking forward to the new year and

spending time with friends and family this holiday season.

The New United States, Rateria

Merry Christmas, team!

Narland, The New United States, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, Luxemborglo

All I want for Christmas is to End the Fed

Cheers

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Muh Roads, Kumquat Cove, Luxemborglo

Merry Christmas all.

The New United States, Kumquat Cove, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:All I want for Christmas is to End the Fed

Cheers

End the Fed; Drain the Swamp; get US out of the UN & get the UN out of the US; and you won't get my gum till you pry it from underneath my cold kitchen table. :)

Well, each one except for the last one.

Miri Islands

What's up with so many people wanting to start a pine tar and bird feather factory in Greater Richmond Economic Impact Zone? =)

Rateria, Luxemborglo

Narland wrote:What's up with so many people wanting to start a pine tar and bird feather factory in Greater Richmond Economic Impact Zone? =)

Pine Tar? Whos in charge? George Brett

Narland

Narland wrote:End the Fed; Drain the Swamp; get US out of the UN & get the UN out of the US; and you won't get my gum till you pry it from underneath my cold kitchen table. :)

Well, each one except for the UN & the last one.

Happy Christmas from Spain

Narland, Kumquat Cove, Rateria

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Suzi Island wrote:Pine Tar? Whos in charge? George Brett

Apparently some irate Virginians who want to disinfect their more unruly public servants from a condition known as gun grabbing petty despotism. It also works great at inhibiting cannibalism in chickens. A dual use manufactory (pine tar and bird feathers -- rail sold separately) seems to have a high marketability when its items are sold as political recall kits.

The Virginian Political Recall Kit instructions:

Apply copious amount of warmed pine tar (120-140* Fahrenheit) liberally upon the infected illiberal with mops. Next, add a large amount of feathers until no more feathers adhere. Place malfeasancing miscreant upon a rail and carry out of jurisdiction. Repeat until condition improves.

Disclaimer: Some assembly required. Petty despot not included. Works best with 10 or more Patriots. Pine tar may void warranty of mop. Consult with Bill of Rights before using. Restrictions may apply.

TLDR: The best Political Recall Kit ever invented consists of warmed pine tar; feathers, and a rail.

Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Franco's still dead?

Unfortunately; blessed be his memory

Tupolite, Miri Islands, Luxemborglo

Republic Of Minerva wrote:All I want for Christmas is to End the Fed

Cheers

I asked Santa for this and he didn't deliver. Santa's a commie anyway, next year its Roadsmas.

Republic Of Minerva, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, Luxemborglo

The elven People's Workers' Socialist Democratic Republic of the North Pole (PWSDRNP) must be communist.

The elves are so poorly fed they grow thinly to a quarter of the height of their Tolkien kin while Great Leader is tall, fat and jolly.

They are worked in a toy factory all year around and aren't allowed to change jobs. (A certain Refusenik, Herbie wanted to become a dentist but it was disallowed until Western Media exposed it.)

Border Security is so tight that none have been immigrated to or from, and none have escaped into Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Norway, Sweden or even Iceland or Finland to ask for amnesty (according to the US State Department web site -- no refugee elves anywhere).

He makes a list of those who tow the party line (whose been naughty and whose been nice).

The Great Leader's global spy network is so vast he sees you when your sleeping, and knows when you're awake.

He always wears red and the leader of his entourage Rudolph ' s nose glows red (whom some Ancient Dark Conspiracy Theorists believe may be the notorious brown-nose commie raindeer Rudolov Rudolfski in guise).

Whenever western media and journalists report on North Pole elven activities, it is always in a humorous light and sweetened to a cartoonish level, obviously hiding the hellish condition which must exist there.

He shows up at least once a year on the NORAD tracker in violation of International Treaty.

Misfit and nonconformist toys are sent to an island gulag.

etc. etc. ...

Republic Of Minerva, Muh Roads, Rateria, Miri Islands, Wyattish

Narland wrote:The elven People's Workers' Socialist Democratic Republic of the North Pole (PWSDRNP) must be communist.

The elves are so poorly fed they grow thinly to a quarter of the height of their Tolkien kin while Great Leader is tall, fat and jolly.

They are worked in a toy factory all year around and aren't allowed to change jobs. (A certain Refusenik, Herbie wanted to become a dentist but it was disallowed until Western Media exposed it.)

Border Security is so tight that none have been immigrated to or from, and none have escaped into Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Norway, Sweden or even Iceland or Finland to ask for amnesty (according to the US State Department web site -- no refugee elves anywhere).

He makes a list of those who tow the party line (whose been naughty and whose been nice).

The Great Leader's global spy network is so vast he sees you when your sleeping, and knows when you're awake.

He always wears red and the leader of his entourage Rudolph ' s nose glows red (whom some Ancient Dark Conspiracy Theorists believe may be the notorious brown-nose commie raindeer Rudolov Rudolfski in guise).

Whenever western media and journalists report on North Pole elven activities, it is always in a humorous light and sweetened to a cartoonish level, obviously hiding the hellish condition which must exist there.

He shows up at least once a year on the NORAD tracker in violation of International Treaty.

Misfit and nonconformist toys are sent to an island gulag.

etc. etc. ...

This is awesome. I love it!

Rateria

Kongeriget Island wrote:Unfortunately; blessed be his memory

Lib, you're back!

Kongeriget Island wrote:Unfortunately; blessed be his memory

I would piss on his grave and have no qualms

Rateria

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Tupolite wrote:Lib, you're back!

I'm always in your hearts, my friend

Tupolite

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Easier now that the Spanish government has finally gotten around to evicting him.

Should’ve taken the body and tossed it into the ocean Bid Laden style.

Rateria

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=luxemborglo/detail=factbook/id=main

Like it so far?

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

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Tupolite wrote:Lib, you're back!

When did you get back

If you search Santa on the RMB you'll find some gold comments.

Narland

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One of the topics on the forbidden list for US sailors on liberty in Spain in the 80s was Franco. We were to be polite but be disinterested, have no comment, and if necessary change the topic of conversation.

But being sailors the conversation to something less controversial usually went something like:

Los hombres reales no necesitan siesta en la tarde. :)

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Franco was sorta like Mussolini:

Both were perverted degenerate thieves who plundered their countries.

Tupolite's favorite type of people.

Fascism enslaves the people with the state, and the dictator, as their master.

Rateria

A bit late, but here it is; a Libertarian gift guide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqC36b39BvA

Tupolite what on earth scared you into leaving. not that lone islands guy I hope or me. just know your still welcome back.

By the way Hi Libertatum from the UAS and Merry Chistmas.

The New United States

If you're between the ages of 18 and 20 and are caught trying to buy cigarettes or alcohol, you can be tried as an adult for not being an adult.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Skaveria wrote:If you're between the ages of 18 and 20 and are caught trying to buy cigarettes or alcohol, you can be tried as an adult for not being an adult.

I went to Italy this summer and their attitude on alcohol is pretty great. Out of my whole group of people 16-18, not one person was carded once. I think the law there is 16 for wine and beer, 18 for anything else.

Rateria, Venomringo, Kongeriget Island

Skaveria wrote:If you're between the ages of 18 and 20 and are caught trying to buy cigarettes or alcohol, you can be tried as an adult for not being an adult.

Imagine being old enough to be forced to go die in a war in some desert but not old enough to crack open a cold one with the boys.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

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I'm leaving the Libertarian party of the United States; it's just too toxic. A guy who is literally running to be a representative called all Trump supporters tyrants, not unwitting supporters of a tyrant, not brainwashed justifiers of a tyrant, but tyrants themselves.

I'm sick of the LP treating those with different views as literal demons. They're doing their very best to purge the Mises caucus as Nazi sympathizers, they don't even primary in my state, they caucus instead, the party is more and more adopting the mannerisms of the "woke left."

They're just SJWs who like guns and capitalism. They're perfectly willing to call you names when you suggest that MAYBE not everyone who flies the Confederate flag is a racist and not every Trump voter is either "stupid or racist." I'm just about done. I'll never be a Democrat or Republican, I was hoping to join a party of people who are similar to me in values, but I guess I'll just be unaffiliated from now on.

Pevvania, The New United States, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Everyone who flies a Confederate flag is stupid though

*Flies a racist flag, gets called racist*

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png

Rateria

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Miri Islands wrote:When did you get back

I don't know if I'm "back" per se, just checking in while I still have time. Demands on my time keep on increasing.

The New United States

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Franco was sorta like Mussolini:

Both were perverted degenerate thieves who plundered their countries.

Tupolite's favorite type of people.

I hate you. But no, Mussolini was better than Franco. If it weren't for the bane of international socialism, the dishonest "human rights" grievances of left-wing "idealists," and the iron-clad hegemony of America over the West, Franco might have had a better performance and renewed the faith that the Spanish people placed in him during the Spanish Civil War. In the end though, he betrayed the core of his base in the Falange under foreign pressures and became a yankee lapdog. The end result, the defilement of his corpse, is all he has to show for submitting to Eisenhower and the specious bilateral ideological divide of the Cold War.

Skaveria wrote:I'm leaving the Libertarian party of the United States; it's just too toxic. A guy who is literally running to be a representative called all Trump supporters tyrants, not unwitting supporters of a tyrant, not brainwashed justifiers of a tyrant, but tyrants themselves.

I'm sick of the LP treating those with different views as literal demons. They're doing their very best to purge the Mises caucus as Nazi sympathizers, they don't even primary in my state, they caucus instead, the party is more and more adopting the mannerisms of the "woke left."

They're just SJWs who like guns and capitalism. They're perfectly willing to call you names when you suggest that MAYBE not everyone who flies the Confederate flag is a racist and not every Trump voter is either "stupid or racist." I'm just about done. I'll never be a Democrat or Republican, I was hoping to join a party of people who are similar to me in values, but I guess I'll just be unaffiliated from now on.

The yellowbellies are probably trying to piggyback the left's unceasing assault upon Trump in the media into an entry to national relevance. It's ok though, you're always going to be SJWs to me.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:In my experience, people who fly Confederate flags also tend to be racist.

People intepret symbols differently over time. What was once the flag of a government that practiced slavery is now just the flag of southern cultural pride. As a person who literally advocates for a confedercy, it means decentralized government and a middle finger to the feds. That's really all it's meant to convey anyways when it's flown. I've literally lived in the south my entire life, I've seen that flag thousands of times, I could count on one hand the times it was in a racist capacity.

Miencraft, The New United States, Kongeriget Island

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Most people I've met from the south are racist.

1) you haven't met that many people from the south

2) you have been unlucky

3) your a racist

4) your a fool

5) your a comedian I don't understand

Not an exhausting list...

The New United States, Muh Roads

Skaveria wrote:People intepret symbols differently over time. What was once the flag of a government that practiced slavery

Could’ve stopped it right there.

Jadentopian Order wrote:Could’ve stopped it right there.

To be fair, most people who have the Stars and Bars on the back of their pickup trucks in my area seem to be less functionally "racist" than me. They however don't know how to shave and look like winos generally.

Kongeriget Island

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Jadentopian Order wrote:Could’ve stopped it right there.

You can't just take one fact about something without a broader context and come up with a conclusion.

The New United States

Tupolite wrote:To be fair, most people who have the Stars and Bars on the back of their pickup trucks in my area seem to be less functionally "racist" than me. They however don't know how to shave and look like winos generally.

Typically they actually interact with people who aren't white way more than white liberals.

The New United States

Skaveria wrote:Typically they actually interact with people who aren't white way more than white liberals.

I surmised that this was broadly true because of the whole country bumpkin thing. Then somewhere down the line, something went wrong and we got Wilhelm

Skaveria wrote:You can't just take one fact about something without a broader context and come up with a conclusion.

How about some more facts then?

Slavery was not limited to America or the South, let me make that clear. But, the civil war was fought for slavery. The South wanted to perpetuate their institution of racism and dehumanization against slaves. An institution that told blacks that their lives were worth less than their owners, and stripped of their human rights. Rape and brutal whippings and beatings were very common, and it’s not hard to find photos of the results of a whipping. Body mutilation was also common too. Let’s not forget the various states’ slave codes that prohibited them from learning to read or write, imposed fines on owners for employing their slaves or giving them alcohol, and stated that slaves were to be branded and publicly beaten for attempting to escape from their slavery. This is ultimately what the confederate flag stands for. It stands for states’ rights. The state’s right to dehumanize an entire people, the state’s right to tell the government, “No, I won't stop owning other people.”. Just about every state in the Confederacy made it clear that this was a war to defend slavery. In their declarations of freedom from the US, they clearly pointed to the defense of slavery. The Confederate Flag doesn’t just stand for a nation that just so happened to practice slavery, it’s the flag of a nation that was so embroiled in the institution of slavery that they decided they would kill their own brothers for it.

Pevvania, Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:CSA Flag Flyers: "I'm proud of my heritage. I'm a patriotic American, libtard."

Normal Americans: Fly American flag because they are proud of their heritage, are patriotic Americans, and and don't support slavery.

Based and redpilled Americans: I fly the flag of Tibet

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Based and redpilled Americans: I fly the flag of Tibet

Woke Americans: Flag of Sealand

Muh Roads, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:How about some more facts then?

Slavery was not limited to America or the South, let me make that clear. But, the civil war was fought for slavery. The South wanted to perpetuate their institution of racism and dehumanization against slaves. An institution that told blacks that their lives were worth less than their owners, and stripped of their human rights. Rape and brutal whippings and beatings were very common, and it’s not hard to find photos of the results of a whipping. Body mutilation was also common too. Let’s not forget the various states’ slave codes that prohibited them from learning to read or write, imposed fines on owners for employing their slaves or giving them alcohol, and stated that slaves were to be branded and publicly beaten for attempting to escape from their slavery. This is ultimately what the confederate flag stands for. It stands for states’ rights. The state’s right to dehumanize an entire people, the state’s right to tell the government, “No, I won't stop owning other people.”. Just about every state in the Confederacy made it clear that this was a war to defend slavery. In their declarations of freedom from the US, they clearly pointed to the defense of slavery. The Confederate Flag doesn’t just stand for a nation that just so happened to practice slavery, it’s the flag of a nation that was so embroiled in the institution of slavery that they decided they would kill their own brothers for it.

That is quite a broad brush you are painting with. Slavery was a worldwide institution of the human condition practiced near universally for all of recorded history. Most of the world except for a very few spots briefly here and there practiced slavery over the centuries.

So forgive me if I don't join in and condemn the South for doing what humans have always done (and still do ) throughout the centuries. The fight for abolition, liberty and equality is something that wasn't done until some European nations (motivated by Christianity) insisted upon it -- its time had come.

Even so, this was not unanimous. Had it been it would not have been a real world epic struggle. If the European powers had not been world-wide empires at the time, slavery would still be just another fact of life. And of course things like Communism and other totalitarianisms are just slaveries by other names that are still practiced and are still using Hegelian dielectics to dehumanize those who are not with them.

The concepts of Freedom and Liberty are so very rare as to be nearly nonexistent in history. For it to be practiced governmentally is unique to Modern Western Civilization in general and the Anglo-sphere in particular with kudoes to Spain for valiantly forbidding it almost from the onset (1615 iirc) of its re-introduction through even though it was powerless to totally abolish it throughout its expansive sphere).

Slavery and abolition was already a simmering issue in the Anglo-Sphere before the war started. The British Empire managed to do it by Abolitionists inciting rebellion and intimating Parliament into action.

When the War started for the American National Government it was about collecting the new tariffs they knew the Southern States could not afford to pay. When the War of Northern Aggression proved unpopular (rioting in the streets of major Norther Cities, and burning of the draft cards), Freeing the Slaves quickly became the Battle Cry. For some of the Southern States it was about a tax revolt led by South Carolina, about protecting their borders from foreign aggressors, and about keeping trade and commerce going.

For the Power-brokers on both sides it was (as it always is) about consolidating their power using whatever slogans the "little-people" need to hear.

For the Abolitionists before during and after in both the Union and the Confederacy, it was about freeing the slaves, making Civil Rights part and parcel of the Constitutional and Common Law, preaching the Gospel, and making sure that everyone who can attain, does attain the highest levels of education possible in the pursuit of their happiness (finding a trade profession or vocation in life with which they are satisfied).

For the Slavers and slaveholders it was about about Slavery (many of whom though few in number were part of the power structure in both the North and the South. Those who are attacked have little incentive to change just to please their attackers. Slavery became one of those things.

For the Farmers/Yeoman (in the North, South, and Border States) it was about surviving the hell to come as best as a Christian can without killing except in self-defense -- draft be damned, and it did. Houses were divided never to be reunited as brother fought against brother and sons against fathers.

By the end of the War Slavery was the major issue because of the magnitude of the impact that abolition had. For the North the noble cause was to free the slaves and rightly so. For the South the noble cause was to stop a corrupt District of Columbia passing oppressive tax legislation and then using the Northern states to attack the Southern States. The South was politically correct (in the proper sense, not the Neo-Marxist "everyone must behave like an godless little commie" sense). The North had the morally superior cause of equality of all persons regardless of race and thankfully won.

The North was wrong about several issues that are exacerbated today. (For example: is the Federal govt. a creature of the States and People and therefore beholden to them, or are the States and the People creatures of the Federal Govt. and beholden to it). Perhaps the next civil war will fix those issues.

To broadbrush the Confederacy into a one dimensional caricature is not helpful. Slavery, especially chattel slavery is evil. But that is not solely what the Confederacy was about. For most (even the Black and Amerind Confederate Soldiers) fighting for Slavery was not on the top of their list of reasons, let alone the meaning of their flag. That goes for today as well.

Miencraft, The New United States, Skaveria, Miri Islands

addenda:

The caricature of the issue of States rights (really State Powers) given in that post is beyond the pale.

The Federal Govt has 17 specific responsibilities delegated to it by the People and the States. That's it. That's all they have to do. And they cannot even do that right, let alone the 15,000 other things they are not authorized (except by their own usurpations) to do, but persist ineptly and inefficiently to the detriment of the States and the People.

My State has 124 powers delegated to it by the People of the State. That is it. That is all they get to do, and they have to do it in on a tight budget.

My county, my community, and the local civic organizations do the 5,000 other things (usually through special districts/local bonds and volunteer organizations) I expect from a public infrastructure to to live in 21st century comfort as a rural American by choice.

And I get to do the rest. It is up to me. Individual rights. If I want to live under a bridge and starve it is my right. If I want to buy 40 acres and a mule to grow food to take to the the market, or create an app that earns my living, it should be my right free and unhindered by all the aforementioned governments to do.

The New United States, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:CSA Flag Flyers: "I'm proud of my heritage. I'm a patriotic American, libtard."

Normal Americans: Fly American flag because they are proud of their heritage, are patriotic Americans, and and don't support slavery. EDIT: or traitors

When a "libertarian" accuses people of being traitors to the federal government.

The New United States

Jadentopian Order wrote:How about some more facts then?

Slavery was not limited to America or the South, let me make that clear. But, the civil war was fought for slavery. The South wanted to perpetuate their institution of racism and dehumanization against slaves. An institution that told blacks that their lives were worth less than their owners, and stripped of their human rights. Rape and brutal whippings and beatings were very common, and it’s not hard to find photos of the results of a whipping. Body mutilation was also common too. Let’s not forget the various states’ slave codes that prohibited them from learning to read or write, imposed fines on owners for employing their slaves or giving them alcohol, and stated that slaves were to be branded and publicly beaten for attempting to escape from their slavery. This is ultimately what the confederate flag stands for. It stands for states’ rights. The state’s right to dehumanize an entire people, the state’s right to tell the government, “No, I won't stop owning other people.”. Just about every state in the Confederacy made it clear that this was a war to defend slavery. In their declarations of freedom from the US, they clearly pointed to the defense of slavery. The Confederate Flag doesn’t just stand for a nation that just so happened to practice slavery, it’s the flag of a nation that was so embroiled in the institution of slavery that they decided they would kill their own brothers for it.

Yes, the Civil War was fought over slavery, but it's my opinion that the issue of state's rights would've lead to a civil war anyway. It just so happened that the issue of state's rights manifested in the form of southern slavery. It could've just as easily been Midwestern homesteaders fighting against Washington, a government that was disconnected from their lives in every way. The Civil War WAS about slavery, but the background story was state's rights.

It's only an accident of history that the issue was slavery, an abominable evil. If it was over literally any other issue, we'd all fly the Stars and Bars, or whatever equivalent of it that'd be in the alternate timeline. A confederal government is objectively more free than a federal one. That's why to many southerners, they use the flag as a middle finger to elites, the feds, usually also to rich people, and yes, sometimes to minorities, but ironically if you single a guy out and ask him why he flies it, he'll never give a racial answer. The answer will usually be about regional pride or ironically, similar to the reasoning behind people who fly the Anarchist flag.

The New United States

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Miencraft wrote:Woke Americans: Flag of Sealand

I'm glad that you and I as sovereign nations, recognize the sovereignty of Sealand. E Mare Libertas!

Miencraft, Rateria

I always forget to mention the compounding issues that made things much worse for the Abolitionists:

The US Supreme Court decision Dread vs Scott binding upon all States that Black Slaves are not persons to be afforded rights under the law making Abolitionists seditionists and subversives.

Racism justified by "science" in the publishing of Charles Darwin's "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" (1854) solidifying the pretense that Whites were more evolved and therefore fit to survive while other races were not, and what evolved (no pun intended) into the evils of Eugenics and Social Darwinism.

and

The general condition of Sub-Sahara Africa in the Old World, and in the New World, Faustin I and Haiti's instabilities were touted as examples that Blacks were incapable of self-governance.

The New United States

Narland wrote:I always forget to mention the compounding issues that made things much worse for the Abolitionists:

The US Supreme Court decision Dread vs Scott binding upon all States that Black Slaves are not persons to be afforded rights under the law making Abolitionists seditionists and subversives.

Racism justified by "science" in the publishing of Charles Darwin's "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" (1854) solidifying the pretense that Whites were more evolved and therefore fit to survive while other races were not, and what evolved (no pun intended) into the evils of Eugenics and Social Darwinism.

and

The general condition of Sub-Sahara Africa in the Old World, and in the New World, Faustin I and Haiti's instabilities were touted as examples that Blacks were incapable of self-governance.

So you're a creationist, I'm guessing?

I'm interested in what your opinion is on Michael Hill

Skaveria wrote:Yes, the Civil War was fought over slavery, but it's my opinion that the issue of state's rights would've lead to a civil war anyway. It just so happened that the issue of state's rights manifested in the form of southern slavery. It could've just as easily been Midwestern homesteaders fighting against Washington, a government that was disconnected from their lives in every way. The Civil War WAS about slavery, but the background story was state's rights.

It's only an accident of history that the issue was slavery, an abominable evil. If it was over literally any other issue, we'd all fly the Stars and Bars, or whatever equivalent of it that'd be in the alternate timeline. A confederal government is objectively more free than a federal one. That's why to many southerners, they use the flag as a middle finger to elites, the feds, usually also to rich people, and yes, sometimes to minorities, but ironically if you single a guy out and ask him why he flies it, he'll never give a racial answer. The answer will usually be about regional pride or ironically, similar to the reasoning behind people who fly the Anarchist flag.

If the Civil War occurred over homesteaders' rights in the Midwest, you realize that academe would be weeping and sobbing on the displacement of those poor, defenseless little indigenous savages.

Kongeriget Island

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Traitors to America, the Constitution, the Enlightenment principles that form the foundation of the country.

They sure were. Those slave-owning, states rights-loving rebels, they were traitors to the enlightened ideas of the slave-owning, states rights-loving rebels from the century before.

I can't believe how traitorous they were to the Constitution when they exercised their Constitutional right to secession. It's insane. They were all probably just really stupid and evil. They didn't even accept LGBT rights, can you believe that?

Skaveria, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:So you're a creationist, I'm guessing?

I'm interested in what your opinion is on Michael Hill

There's a massive middleground between being a creationist and believing blacks are inferior to whites for evolutionary reasons.

The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Miencraft wrote:There's a massive middleground between being a creationist and believing blacks are inferior to whites for evolutionary reasons.

This is true, but I'm just guessing that he is a creationist from the tenor more than the content of his post.

There are also creationists who believe in a racial hierarchy but justify it in being appointed by God. I believe Lib is one, is he not?

The New United States wrote:They sure were. Those slave-owning, states rights-loving rebels, they were traitors to the enlightened ideas of the slave-owning, states rights-loving rebels from the century before.

I can't believe how traitorous they were to the Constitution when they exercised their Constitutional right to secession. It's insane. They were all probably just really stupid and evil. They didn't even accept LGBT rights, can you believe that?

You should read some of the treatises of George Fitzhugh.

Jadentopian Order wrote:How about some more facts then?

Slavery was not limited to America or the South, let me make that clear. But, the civil war was fought for slavery. The South wanted to perpetuate their institution of racism and dehumanization against slaves. An institution that told blacks that their lives were worth less than their owners, and stripped of their human rights. Rape and brutal whippings and beatings were very common, and it’s not hard to find photos of the results of a whipping. Body mutilation was also common too. Let’s not forget the various states’ slave codes that prohibited them from learning to read or write, imposed fines on owners for employing their slaves or giving them alcohol, and stated that slaves were to be branded and publicly beaten for attempting to escape from their slavery. This is ultimately what the confederate flag stands for. It stands for states’ rights. The state’s right to dehumanize an entire people, the state’s right to tell the government, “No, I won't stop owning other people.”. Just about every state in the Confederacy made it clear that this was a war to defend slavery. In their declarations of freedom from the US, they clearly pointed to the defense of slavery. The Confederate Flag doesn’t just stand for a nation that just so happened to practice slavery, it’s the flag of a nation that was so embroiled in the institution of slavery that they decided they would kill their own brothers for it.

One thing I disagree with: "state's rights" was a pretext, and not a very good one, because the South was outraged that the Fugitive Slave Act was not being enforced in the North, and forbade any state in the Confederacy from abolishing slavery.

Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"states rights" unless you aren't a racist douchebag. Disagree and I'll beat you with my cane.

I think you've gotten it backwards.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Nah, how I said it is how it went.

Anything to save face, Senator Sumner

Happy New Year!

Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Couple points cause that’s a lot of writing I don’t have time to quote/respond to all:

1.) I know the North was racist, I’m not defending them. Trust me I have plenty to say about that

2.) Flying the flag of a people that were willing to die for their right to dehumanize and subjugate an entire race is not the way to support state rights or tell the feds to F off. I completely agree with the sentiment though.

3.) Happy new year everyone!

Narland, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:One thing I disagree with: "state's rights" was a pretext, and not a very good one, because the South was outraged that the Fugitive Slave Act was not being enforced in the North, and forbade any state in the Confederacy from abolishing slavery.

I won’t disagree, but I do think it gets downplayed just how important the issue of slavery was. The South built it’s entire economy and way of life around slavery and the products of slavery. I’m pretty sure I could drive 30 minutes in any direction from where I live and find a plantation or some place similar. States’ rights for sure was a part of it, I won’t even try to deny it, but I do really think people downplay just how huge slavery was to the South.

Pevvania, Rateria

Happy new year and new decades to all of you degenerates! Yes, even Wilhelm!

Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Jadentopian Order wrote:I won’t disagree, but I do think it gets downplayed just how important the issue of slavery was. The South built it’s entire economy and way of life around slavery and the products of slavery. I’m pretty sure I could drive 30 minutes in any direction from where I live and find a plantation or some place similar. States’ rights for sure was a part of it, I won’t even try to deny it, but I do really think people downplay just how huge slavery was to the South.

Yeah I'm totally with you on that, and I 100% agree that slavery was the driving factor behind the war, as Southerners at the time made abundantly clear. But I'm just saying that their embrace of state's rights is entirely hypocritical, for if they were sincere about it they wouldn't have tried to force slavery on as many states as they could.

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Happy Gregorian New Year Everyone.

The New United States, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Yeah I'm totally with you on that, and I 100% agree that slavery was the driving factor behind the war, as Southerners at the time made abundantly clear. But I'm just saying that their embrace of state's rights is entirely hypocritical, for if they were sincere about it they wouldn't have tried to force slavery on as many states as they could.

Ohhh, I got you. I think I just misunderstood what you said

Rateria

Tupolite wrote:So you're a creationist, I'm guessing?

I'm interested in what your opinion is on Michael Hill

Yes, of course. I do not believe in spontaneous generation on any level, or any category whether biological or cosmological. Those who do have more blind faith than I.

Nothing ever begets nothing. By its very nature nothing cannot but be the absence/deprivation of the something that "be." In a universe where everything that exists, does exist, nothing is just that -- nothing.

Nothing as an empty set is something (an empty set), and is therefore not nothing. True nothingness isn't anything -- it doesn't exist. ^Something brought the universe into being -- it cannot and does not just magically appear.

Science can describe the material and temporal mechanism(s) since creation and expansion but not the transcendent "Something" outside of time and space that necessarily brought it into being. (Plato's prime mover/uncaused first cause causeless). Like all Theists, I posit that this Prime Mover is God.

I am also an Evangelical Christian of the American Non-denominational variety leaning on the Whitfield side of the Whitfield/Wesleyan fence with an affinity to Jonathan Edwards, Francis Schaeffer, CS Lewis, Malcom Muggeridge, and Alvin Platinga. As such I am an ardent supporter of the Biblical view of Man -- that we are all of one blood, brothers one of another in whom we live, move, and have our being by Providence.

I also hold to the Republican view that "race" is a political fiction created by demagogues to control weak minds. Everyone and everybody is a minority of one (individuals) who congregate, affiliate, generate, and inculcate with others in manners/morés, and times that seem best to their own happiness. This brings about families, kindreds/communities, tribes, nations, and languages in a constant flux of cultures and civilization out of which anthropologists and politicians have created the concept of "race" -- the former as a descriptor the latter as a commodity.

Those who use race as a token/commodity of poltical convenience are dispicable people who have blinded themselves from seeing who people truly are -- unique individuals all, created in the image and likeness of God. As such we are as one (individuals) no more or less than anyone else. Our differences are in what we do with what we are given.

Re: Michael Hill, he is a capable professor and dedicated to ending modern slavery. I consider him a modern abolitionist. A young journalism student who can, might consider his classes at Cardiff.

Q: Hill keeps a low profile, how do you know him?

Narland wrote:Yes, of course. I do not believe in spontaneous generation on any level, or any category whether biological or cosmological. Those who do have more blind faith than I.

Nothing ever begets nothing. By its very nature nothing cannot but be the absence/deprivation of the something that "be." In a universe where everything that exists, does exist, nothing is just that -- nothing.

Nothing as an empty set is something (an empty set), and is therefore not nothing. True nothingness isn't anything -- it doesn't exist. ^Something brought the universe into being -- it cannot and does not just magically appear.

Science can describe the material and temporal mechanism(s) since creation and expansion but not the transcendent "Something" outside of time and space that necessarily brought it into being. (Plato's prime mover/uncaused first cause causeless). Like all Theists, I posit that this Prime Mover is God.

I am also an Evangelical Christian of the American Non-denominational variety leaning on the Whitfield side of the Whitfield/Wesleyan fence with an affinity to Jonathan Edwards, Francis Schaeffer, CS Lewis, Malcom Muggeridge, and Alvin Platinga. As such I am an ardent supporter of the Biblical view of Man -- that we are all of one blood, brothers one of another in whom we live, move, and have our being by Providence.

I also hold to the Republican view that "race" is a political fiction created by demagogues to control weak minds. Everyone and everybody is a minority of one (individuals) who congregate, affiliate, generate, and inculcate with others in manners/morés, and times that seem best to their own happiness. This brings about families, kindreds/communities, tribes, nations, and languages in a constant flux of cultures and civilization out of which anthropologists and politicians have created the concept of "race" the former as a descriptor the latter as a commodity.

Those who use race as a token/commodity of poltical convenience are dispicable people who have blinded themselves from seeing who people truly are -- unique individuals all, created in the image and likeness of God. As such we are as one (individuals) no more or less than anyone else. Our differences are in what we do with what we are given.

Re: Michael Hill, he is a capable professor and dedicated to ending modern slavery. I consider him a modern abolitionist. A young journalism student who can, might consider his classes at Cardiff.

Q: Hill keeps a low profile, how do you know him?

Well, I smelled the Evangelical off you at any rate. To answer your question, I was referring to a different Michael Hill, the founder of the League of the South. Specifically his thoughts on "rainbow Confederates."

Tupolite wrote:Well, I smelled the Evangelical off you at any rate. To answer your question, I was referring to a different Michael Hill, the founder of the League of the South. Specifically his thoughts on "rainbow Confederates."

I do not know who he is. From a cursory scan on the Internet he sounds like a wannabe power-broker trying to create a name for himself in the shadow of a "could have been" that never was. The fact that he was an academecian who was disillusioned by Academia is also telling. But swapping new lies for old makes him seem a sad case.

Now I am curious as to why do you ask.

Tupolite wrote:Well, I smelled the Evangelical off you at any rate.

Thank you for noticing. Hopefully the fragrance you smell is that of the grace of God overshadowing the stench of my flesh. Some days are better than others.

The United States Of Patriots

Narland wrote:Science can describe the material and temporal mechanism(s) since creation and expansion but not the transcendent "Something" outside of time and space that necessarily brought it into being.

In all fairness, it doesn't really claim that it can nor does it ever really attempt to.

The closest there is to a scientific origin theory is the Big Bang, which only describes an action of expansion and does not attempt to explain where the stuff doing the expansion came from.

Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Narland wrote:Thank you for noticing. Hopefully the fragrance you smell is that of the grace of God overshadowing the stench of my flesh. Some days are better than others.

Smells more like must actually

Narland wrote:I do not know who he is. From a cursory scan on the Internet he sounds like a wannabe power-broker trying to create a name for himself in the shadow of a "could have been" that never was. The fact that he was an academecian who was disillusioned by Academia is also telling. But swapping new lies for old makes him seem a sad case.

Now I am curious as to why do you ask.

I was curious what you think of his opinions about what he calls "rainbow Confederates"

Tupolite wrote:Smells more like must actually

I was curious what you think of his opinions about what he calls "rainbow Confederates"

Until you brought him up, I did not know who he is. I do not even know what he considers a "rainbow Confederate" to be. The Confederacy is what it is -- a relic of the past for whom those born in the South share its heritage -- the good, the bad and the ugly. "Argle Bargle" neologisms that spring out of nowhere with the political intent of a sledgehammer instead of sound deliberation from its own historicity are usually a signs of chicanery. If you like I can read up on it and get back to you.

Wohoo! It's 2020. Lets go to Sealab!

I am disappointed there are no Arcologies; no power armored she-ninja punk bands emerging from a Bubblegum Crisis to fight Boomers; no black market cybernetics, no 3-d Net to plug the brain directly into; no Crystal Palace above for when gravity fails. No flying cars as a common means of conveyance. I still want the jet-pack I was promised, darn it.

There is a bright side. Some Cyberpunk speculation has happened. We have created insane and rogue AIs and synthetic holographic singers.

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