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Region: Libertatem

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:You shall submit to the hivemind.

*nervous chuckles*

Oh, Minerva you merry prankster, you sure know how to get those new guys.

*angry whispers*

You know we don't talk about that on the rmb, you dumb sonofabitch! We can't let them know!

Humpheria wrote:Welcome. FFS puppet, yes? Whom, if I may ask?

WEEWOO WEEWOO

INCORRECT USAGE OF "WHOM"

KILL THE INFIDEL

Humpheria wrote:I have been delegated to inform everyone that FFS has recovered.

How so?

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:How so?

"If you could accurately inform their government of the current talks amongst our currently active and formalized government, specially in regards to regional security, I feel that will help the situation even more."

-Cylthropia

Hello Libertatem,

As this nation's name implies, I am the Minister of Security for the Federation of Free States, the Republic of Wreptzle. There has been rumor that some of you here believe that the FFS is rapidly collapsing on itself, I am here to assure you all that such is not the case.

As you all know, mods deleted our founder, leaving us founder-less. We are currently discussing plans in order to resolve this issue. Due to the importance of the issue, there has been much debate as to what is to be done. Unfortunately, many of our elected officials are present very little, prompting criticism and confusion. While these are certainty important issues, they will not cause regional collapse. The Federation is a very tight-knit community and we've always had arguments between each other. It's nothing new to us and is quite common place. I suppose you could say we all have a love-hate relationship. But for certain, it is no "madhouse" as has been stated. This has likely been the most civil major argument in FFS history. I'm actually quite impressed with how nice everyone is becoming and believe that it'll only get better. Any veteran of the Pxoria v. Beastland wars and they'll tell you the same thing.

Claims of "rupturing at the seems" and "[the FFS] will fragment in a matter of days" are grossly exaggerated. With all respect intended, I believe that you greatly underestimate us. The calls to end relations with the FFS because of this is quite insulting. If such minor issues as these could tear the Federation apart, then we would have died long ago. While it is true that our population is slowly declining, such is to be expected when we are forced to lock the region. Reports of members leaving every day clearly use inflated statistics as the regional population count has remained fairly even since we lost our founder with only small declines when stagnant nations were lost or in the few cases like today.

Despite all of our issues from the inquisition of the mods, foreign threats, and domestic disturbances, we remain united and will always be united. We will not falter, we will only grow stronger. We have long stood with Libertatem and ask that you too stand by us.

I apologize fr a mediocre speech on such an important issue, I've been working on Security reforms for the past 6 hours. I will keep this puppet in Libertatem until it is needed elsewhere and will respond to any questions anyone asks.

Thank you, and goodnight.

Humpheria wrote:Goodnight.

Goodnight mate.

Godisdead wrote:WEEWOO WEEWOO

INCORRECT USAGE OF "WHOM"

KILL THE INFIDEL

*black jumpsuit equipped men break through the roof and detain the infidel*

Ffs Minister Of Security wrote:Hello Libertatem,

As this nation's name implies, I am the Minister of Security for the Federation of Free States, the Republic of Wreptzle. There has been rumor that some of you here believe that the FFS is rapidly collapsing on itself, I am here to assure you all that such is not the case.

As you all know, mods deleted our founder, leaving us founder-less. We are currently discussing plans in order to resolve this issue. Due to the importance of the issue, there has been much debate as to what is to be done. Unfortunately, many of our elected officials are present very little, prompting criticism and confusion. While these are certainty important issues, they will not cause regional collapse. The Federation is a very tight-knit community and we've always had arguments between each other. It's nothing new to us and is quite common place. I suppose you could say we all have a love-hate relationship. But for certain, it is no "madhouse" as has been stated. This has likely been the most civil major argument in FFS history. I'm actually quite impressed with how nice everyone is becoming and believe that it'll only get better. Any veteran of the Pxoria v. Beastland wars and they'll tell you the same thing.

Claims of "rupturing at the seems" and "[the FFS] will fragment in a matter of days" are grossly exaggerated. With all respect intended, I believe that you greatly underestimate us. The calls to end relations with the FFS because of this is quite insulting. If such minor issues as these could tear the Federation apart, then we would have died long ago. While it is true that our population is slowly declining, such is to be expected when we are forced to lock the region. Reports of members leaving every day clearly use inflated statistics as the regional population count has remained fairly even since we lost our founder with only small declines when stagnant nations were lost or in the few cases like today.

Despite all of our issues from the inquisition of the mods, foreign threats, and domestic disturbances, we remain united and will always be united. We will not falter, we will only grow stronger. We have long stood with Libertatem and ask that you too stand by us.

I apologize fr a mediocre speech on such an important issue, I've been working on Security reforms for the past 6 hours. I will keep this puppet in Libertatem until it is needed elsewhere and will respond to any questions anyone asks.

Thank you, and goodnight.

Was this on behalf of your Minster of Foreign Affairs or your own venture? Is this how the diplomacy of the FFS works? I'm confused. .-.

Humpheria wrote:"If you could accurately inform their government of the current talks amongst our currently active and formalized government, specially in regards to regional security, I feel that will help the situation even more."

-Cylthropia

That's adorable.

I will temporarily be leaving this region, please contact me via TG if you have any questions.

Ostenburg wrote:Was this on behalf of your Minster of Foreign Affairs or your own venture? Is this how the diplomacy of the FFS works? I'm confused. .-.

Our Minister of Foreign affairs is busy right now. Nonetheless, I believed that a speech about regional security is best given by the Minister of Security himself.

In the FFS they're talking about banning me and N. Prussia from re-gaining membership and whatnot. Do they honestly think it matters to us, gaining membership for a region that we do not want to be in?

They include that in a clause that could be better used for repairing their broken government.

Banning us is just another testament to their oppressive policies.

Rotgeheim wrote:In the FFS they're talking about banning me and N. Prussia from re-gaining membership and whatnot. Do they honestly think it matters to us, gaining membership for a region that we do not want to be in?

They include that in a clause that could be better used for repairing their broken government.

I find those moments funny.

Ffs Minister Of Security wrote:Our Minister of Foreign affairs is busy right now. Nonetheless, I believed that a speech about regional security is best given by the Minister of Security himself.

Busy, busy, busy.

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Rotgeheim wrote:Banning us is just another testament to their oppressive policies.

Banning=Oppression.

Got that everyone?

Tis tis... We were pioneers of the FFS and long standing members of the IRU. They lost their way and we could do nothing to help. Every complaint as a citizen was thrown away and was treated as being a terrorist. I myself condemn the FFS.

The Time Alliance wrote:I find those moments funny.

They've banned me before. I was actually the first person banned from the FFS. It was ridiculous why I was banned in the first place. They're very petty over there.

The Time Alliance wrote:Banning=Oppression.

Got that everyone?

Eh, they're quite oppressive at times. Voicing your opinion is a hard thing to do.

Northern Prussia wrote:Tis tis... We were pioneers of the FFS and long standing members of the IRU. They lost their way and we could do nothing to help. Every complaint as a citizen was thrown away and was treated as being a terrorist. I myself condemn the FFS.

That's great and all, but are we about to throw a "hate on FFS" party in the middle of the Libertatem RMB? :P

Ostenburg wrote:That's great and all, but are we about to throw a "hate on FFS" party in the middle of the Libertatem RMB? :P

That's exactly what we're doing. N. Prussia and I didn't do anything wrong. We just left the show at our own will, politely resigning too! We didn't do a single thing to them and they call us "traitors" and are trying to ban us. They deserve my condemnation now.

Na I just wanted that off my chest

The Time Alliance wrote:Banning=Oppression.

Got that everyone?

Ok then we will oppress TTA.

Rotgeheim wrote:Eh, they're quite oppressive at times. Voicing your opinion is a hard thing to do.

I know. Some regions do that frequently

I was about to leave, but then:

Rotgeheim wrote:Banning us is just another testament to their oppressive policies.

This is outright disrespectful and untruthful. Regardless of your opinion of those in the FFS, I take personal offense for your attitude, especially after sticking my neck out for you. I was hoping to remain on good terms with you despite all this, but now I'm not so sure. I'm going to continue trying to keep them from banning you and Prussia, but I will not be successful if you do not at least try to remain civil.

If you excuse me, I am now late for my flight.

Rotgeheim wrote:They've banned me before. I was actually the first person banned from the FFS. It was ridiculous why I was banned in the first place. They're very petty over there.

What were you banned for.

I once called a region fascist and left. That made them begin discussing banishing me.

What region was that TTA :)

The Amarican Empire wrote:What region was that TTA :)

I can't seem to remember. Started with an "L"

The Time Alliance wrote:What were you banned for.

I once called a region fascist and left. That made them begin discussing banishing me.

I was banned for no reason, quite frankly. I was the scapegoat for the destruction of the IRU. It was the founder's fault, who abandoned the region and gave it away to another leader, but the masses blamed me for it. Liberosia actually inherited the region. The FFS has had this who "anti-Liberatem" attitude about them ever since then. It's all very obstinate.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Latter Day Saints?

.....No.

Rotgeheim wrote:I was banned for no reason, quite frankly. I was the scapegoat for the destruction of the IRU. It was the founder's fault, who abandoned the region and gave it away to another leader, but the masses blamed me for it. Liberosia actually inherited the region. The FFS has had this who "anti-Liberatem" attitude about them ever since then. It's all very obstinate.

Ahhh.

Also I dont believe that is the reason that region wants to ban you. Maybe its because they gave you many chances and you constantly betray them.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Also I dont believe that is the reason that region wants to ban you. Maybe its because they gave you many chances and you constantly betray them.

I never betrayed the region.

Defending a small region was all I ever did against the large region.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Also I dont believe that is the reason that region wants to ban you. Maybe its because they gave you many chances and you constantly betray them.

If you're referring to me, then no. I've never betrayed the FFS. If their definition of betrayal is legally emigrating from the region, then they need to delete that feature.

Ffs Minister Of Security wrote:I was about to leave, but then:

This is outright disrespectful and untruthful. Regardless of your opinion of those in the FFS, I take personal offense for your attitude, especially after sticking my neck out for you. I was hoping to remain on good terms with you despite all this, but now I'm not so sure. I'm going to continue trying to keep them from banning you and Prussia, but I will not be successful if you do not at least try to remain civil.

If you excuse me, I am now late for my flight.

http://goo.gl/NkRmv7

Rotgeheim wrote:If you're referring to me, then no. I've never betrayed the FFS. If their definition of betrayal is legally emigrating from the region, then they need to delete that feature.

No. He's referring to me.

I've been referencing this region and he's been referencing me.

The falcon cannot hear the falconer.

Tta its Sunday your exile is up.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Tta its Sunday your exile is up.

.....Oh yah it is...

Okay peace.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The falcon cannot hear the falconer.

Arsonists are surprisingly nimble.

Rotgeheim wrote:Arsonists are surprisingly nimble.

The ceremony of innocence is drowned.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The ceremony of innocence is drowned.

Beartraps are frequently used in elections.

Is it mean that I remembered when he could go back to his region?

Rotgeheim wrote:Beartraps are frequently used in elections.

42.

[B]***MILITARY NOTICE***[/B]

If you have not signed up for the military, I strongly urge you to do so! Signing up means that you'll be eligible to receive telegrams to participate in private military matters, such as raids and defense based operations. You must be a citizen in order to participate, with a few exceptions.

I shall begin constructing public parts of the Libertatem Military into my factbook.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:[B]***MILITARY NOTICE***[/B]

If you have not signed up for the military, I strongly urge you to do so! Signing up means that you'll be eligible to receive telegrams to participate in private military matters, such as raids and defense based operations. You must be a citizen in order to participate, with a few exceptions.

I shall begin constructing public parts of the Libertatem Military into my factbook.

Is the hivemind in the military?

The Amarican Empire wrote:Tta its Sunday your exile is up.

The Time Alliance wrote:.....Oh yah it is...

Okay peace.

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Humpheria wrote:What do you all think about renouncing relations with FFS? They are rupturing at the seams and the mods have been called. They are dragging the IRU in, I think it would be wise to cut the cancer off before it spreads. Perhaps we can hold a House vote?

No way. The FFS are one of our oldest allies, and while they haven't always been completely reliable, they share our values. They've stood by us many a time, and now in their darkest hour I don't think it's honourable to abandon them.

The Time Alliance wrote:I never betrayed the region.

Defending a small region was all I ever did against the large region.

You've betrayed the region numerous times. Many of us still are discussing banning you, and I've been your chief defender against certain others who wish to see you banished from this region. They've made arguments against you based on your utter lack of respect for our laws and insufferable arrogance. I have protested that to ban you for this would be to violate the Free Speech Clause of the Bill of Rights.

I no longer have any sympathy for you. I am hereby revoking the Presidential Pardon I issued to [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation] in regard to his attack on Libertatem troops in Communist Beach. Should anyone decide to do so, they may now press charges.

Pevvania wrote:You've betrayed the region numerous times. Many of us still are discussing banning you, and I've been your chief defender against certain others who wish to see you banished from this region. They've made arguments against you based on your utter lack of respect for our laws and insufferable arrogance. I have protested that to ban you for this would be to violate the Free Speech Clause of the Bill of Rights.

I no longer have any sympathy for you. I am hereby revoking the Presidential Pardon I issued to [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation] in regard to his attack on Libertatem troops in Communist Beach. Should anyone decide to do so, they may now press charges.

Mine continue to stand for the AG to accept.

And I'll add his CB involvement on.

I feel it necessary to apologize for restoring his citizenship after CB. I assure you all that will not happen again.

Muh Roads wrote:I feel it necessary to apologize for restoring his citizenship after CB. I assure you all that will not happen again.

Don't worry about it. Many of us were in the mood to give everyone a second chance, and this was before TTA showed his true colours.

Here's the first draft of the COURT Act.

Tell me what you think.

The COURT Act

Codifying Overt Utilities of Regional Tribunals Act

Section I

Purpose of the act

To clearly define the powers of the Attorney-General and the region's court system.

Section II

The High Court

The Libertatem judicial system is to be composed of a single court: the High Court.

The High Court shall address criminal matters as defined by legislation.

Court cases shall be addressed by a judge, who shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Board, and a jury of 6 that is to be randomly selected by the President.

The jury and judge shall preside over the arguments of both legal teams, and when these are concluded, the former shall decide whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty, and the latter shall decide what sentence the defendant shall receive if they are guilty.

Section III

Stucture of court cases

In each criminal court case, which will be openly presented on the RMB, there will be two legal teams: the defense and the prosecution.

The defendant shall be represented by a legal defense of his or her choice, which includes whether they wish to defend themselves.

The defendant has the right not to attend their trial, in which case they would be tried in absentia.

The prosecution will be composed of the nation pressing charges against the defendant, or anyone else they delegate this authority to.

The prosecution may drop their charges against the defendant at any time, at which point the court case will end.

A court case begins with each legal team presenting their opening statement, after which each will take turns to demonstrate their arguments, which will end with a closing statement.

The jury shall then deliberate in private and consider the arguments in deciding whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty.

A unanimous result must be achieved, but the judge may accept a 5-1 ruling otherwise.

If the defendant is guilty, the judge may choose the sentence, which is to be enforced by the President.

Section IV

In occasions when regional security is threatened

In the case of invasion or other instance when regional security is under imminent threat, the President may be granted executive power to defend against attack, and may use any tools at his or her disposal to do so.

Non-imminent security threats can be ejected via majority Board vote and Presidential approval.

Section V

Other powers

The President may be granted the power by this Act to create a civil court for the region, should the need arise.

The President may be granted the power to compile a list of criminal offences. The Board may challenge any one of these offences with a super-majority vote.

Authored by Pevvania.

As an undergraduate law student, I can attest that were this real life, that would be known as a sound case. I vote Yea on the COURT Act. Thank you, Mr. President.

Humpheria wrote:As an undergraduate law student, I can attest that were this real life, that would be known as a sound case. I vote Yea on the COURT Act. Thank you, Mr. President.

I'm not putting this to vote yet, it's just in 'committee' stage right now. I want to make sure everyone is happy with the bill before I put it to vote.

I am studying law at college. I thought it would be something I'd enjoy. I was wrong.

Then I retract. I like it.

Two suggestions to be discussed:

Make a notice to appear (subpoena?) Mandatory for all parties involved. This way, you can't be tried in secrecy.

Let the manager of internal affairs handle criminal records (section v). It goes along with the citizens register. Crimes should be held in public record.

Otherwise, solid bill.

Oh, and maybe we need definitions for crime and consequences, or maybe I'm thinking to deep into this.

There we go, NS is back up!

Muh Roads wrote:Two suggestions to be discussed:

Make a notice to appear (subpoena?) Mandatory for all parties involved. This way, you can't be tried in secrecy.

It mandates that all trials are done openly on the RMB, but I'm opposed to making it compulsory for the defendant to represent themselves. However, they'd be notified at all major points in the trial and would be allowed to represent themselves at any time.

Muh Roads wrote:Let the manager of internal affairs handle criminal records (section v). It goes along with the citizens register. Crimes should be held in public record.

Ok, I'll add that bit.

I thought something was wrong with my server.

I have returned to feast on your souls.

Humpheria wrote:I thought something was wrong with my server.

Nope, it was down for everyone for over 5 hours. http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/nationstates.net.html

I thought something was wrong with my connection. I guess even NationStates has to update every now and then.

I support Muh's ideas

Post self-deleted by Rotgeheim.

Well, friends, I've applied to become a citizen of Libertatem.

Rotgeheim wrote:So, how does one become a citizen in Libertatem?

See The FRAUD Act. To be a citizen you need to have resided in Libertatem for at least ten days. You don't have to supply the location of your WA account, but you do if you are in a government position.

You've resided for well over ten days in total, so you're eligible.

Pevvania wrote:See The FRAUD Act. To be a citizen you need to have resided in Libertatem for at least ten days. You don't have to supply the location of your WA account, but you do if you are in a government position.

You've resided for well over ten days in total, so you're eligible.

I didn't know if it was ten consecutive days or not, so that's why I was asking for help. But I've got it all sorted out now. Thanks much.

Rotgeheim wrote:I didn't know if it was ten consecutive days or not, so that's why I was asking for help. But I've got it all sorted out now. Thanks much.

Cool. What are your thoughts on the COURT Act?

Now I am a full-fledged member of Libertatem! Hooray!

Everyone receives a pint of the finest beer from the Mohnke Brewery!

Pevvania wrote:Cool. What are your thoughts on the COURT Act?

I like every bit of it except the clause under Section II that grants a random panel of 6 to be selected. The only worry I have is that these random 6 could be chosen purposely to ensure a particular sentence is carried out. However unlikely it may be, it's still a worry. Maybe a way to double-check those selected few could be implemented.

Other than that tiny bit, it's great. I'd vote for it.

I looked at the map. How does one claim land on it?

If I'd be allowed to, I'd like to lay claim to all of Scandinavia and the Faroe Islands.

Now that President Pev has revoked the pardon of TTA, I hereby press charges against TTA.

Under our current laws, the Board shall wait for evidence, if any, from either side before voting.

Rotgeheim wrote:I looked at the map. How does one claim land on it?

If I'd be allowed to, I'd like to lay claim to all of Scandinavia and the Faroe Islands.

Oceania is mine!

Rotgeheim wrote:I looked at the map. How does one claim land on it?

If I'd be allowed to, I'd like to lay claim to all of Scandinavia and the Faroe Islands.

We're still awaiting map reform. Nobody has stepped forward to create a new, updated map.

Rotgeheim wrote:I like every bit of it except the clause under Section II that grants a random panel of 6 to be selected. The only worry I have is that these random 6 could be chosen purposely to ensure a particular sentence is carried out. However unlikely it may be, it's still a worry. Maybe a way to double-check those selected few could be implemented.

Other than that tiny bit, it's great. I'd vote for it.

I second this concern. What if citizens were assigned a number when they received their citizenship and the choice was made through an online numbers generator? That might be a bit awkward to word in, but in practice it could erase the possibility of a (purposefully) biased jury

Lack There Of wrote:I second this concern. What if citizens were assigned a number when they received their citizenship and the choice was made through an online numbers generator? That might be a bit awkward to word in, but in practice it could erase the possibility of a (purposefully) biased jury

I like that idea. That's great! It'd eliminate the possibility of corruption at the judicial level.

Lack There Of wrote:I second this concern. What if citizens were assigned a number when they received their citizenship and the choice was made through an online numbers generator? That might be a bit awkward to word in, but in practice it could erase the possibility of a (purposefully) biased jury

I like it! Citizens already have a number too! (2-20)

I have an idea for map reform:

I will take requests for what you want your nation to look like. Here is the form:

1. What do you want your nation on the map to look like?

2. Where on the map do you want your nation? (North, Southwest, Center, etc.)

And that is my proposal for map reform.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:I have an idea for map reform:

I will take requests for what you want your nation to look like. Here is the form:

1. What do you want your nation on the map to look like?

2. Where on the map do you want your nation? (North, Southwest, Center, etc.)

And that is my proposal for map reform.

A large peninsula southwest .

Muh Roads wrote:A large peninsula southwest .

Covered in roads. xD

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:I have an idea for map reform:

I will take requests for what you want your nation to look like. Here is the form:

1. What do you want your nation on the map to look like?

2. Where on the map do you want your nation? (North, Southwest, Center, etc.)

And that is my proposal for map reform.

A nation far north, covered by ice and snow, preferably in the shape of Scandinavia.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:I have an idea for map reform:

I will take requests for what you want your nation to look like. Here is the form:

1. What do you want your nation on the map to look like?

2. Where on the map do you want your nation? (North, Southwest, Center, etc.)

And that is my proposal for map reform.

A large atoll, slightly south of the equator.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:

Where on the map do you want your nation? (North, Southwest, Center, etc.)

I am everywhere

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:I have an idea for map reform:

I will take requests for what you want your nation to look like. Here is the form:

1. What do you want your nation on the map to look like?

2. Where on the map do you want your nation? (North, Southwest, Center, etc.)

And that is my proposal for map reform.

Central area, such as Europe. Large france-looking region

I would like Northern Germany, Denmark, and parts of Netherlands and poland.

Northern Prussia wrote:I would like Northern Germany, Denmark, and parts of Netherlands and poland.

God forbid Prussia be in Prussia.

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