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Crumlark wrote:When we all agreed to play by the rules that the rich and powerful set out themselves, and they decided to break them. You happen to call those sorts of people 'criminals', and that means they get 'jail'. Isn't it fun when you understand social contract?

Thats called justice, not fairness. Also the company which the article you linked references is Mossack Fonseca. Who, although own an office in the US, are based in Switzerland.

Crumlark wrote:Mates, I got some news for you. Really big leak of LOTS world leader off-shore accounts- and hardly any American media is covering it. This is a huge story! The leak is called the Panama Papers. A coalition of a few hundred news organizations colluded to break this story, and the best we get is a CNN story on questionable Putin finances. That's it. No mention of American allies off-shore funds, or anyone really, apart from America's personal hitlist.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-35918844

If you want to support the rich (who I'd argue need the least support), that's your personal prerogative. But they at least have to play fair.

Emphasis added.

The reason for not mentioning "Americas allies" is because only one American is an alleged customer of Mossack Fonseca. The leak mainly involves Russians (definitively not an american ally) and Icelanders (technically an american ally but not a global superpower). The reason that the focus has been placed on the Russian and Icelanders connections is that it allegedly involves government leaders.

And finally your "if you want to support the rich line" Yes of course they have to play fair. But attacking people based on there personal income level is a socialist/communist(I repeat myself) thing to do.

Yes there are rich people who play the system and they should be held accountable but we don't want to go on some witch hunt for the bourgeoisie. They have tried that in the past. Didn't work too well

New Jaslandia

The New United States wrote:*slides guillotine back under bed*

*pulls out propaganda posters*

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Thats called justice, not fairness. Also the company which the article you linked references is Mossack Fonseca. Who, although own an office in the US, are based in Switzerland.

Emphasis added.

The reason for not mentioning "Americas allies" is because only one American is an alleged customer of Mossack Fonseca. The leak mainly involves Russians (definitively not an american ally) and Icelanders (technically an american ally but not a global superpower). The reason that the focus has been placed on the Russian and Icelanders connections is that it allegedly involves government leaders.

And finally your "if you want to support the rich line" Yes of course they have to play fair. But attacking people based on there personal income level is a socialist/communist(I repeat myself) thing to do.

Yes there are rich people who play the system and they should be held accountable but we don't want to go on some witch hunt for the bourgeoisie. They have tried that in the past. Didn't work too well

They company is based in Panama, actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossack_Fonseca

But you're right that no American officials have been implicated in this scandal. From what I've heard, Argentina, Iceland, and Russia are some of the biggest offenders, but Wikipedia has a handy list of all countries where public officials have been tied to the Panama Papers scandal. China is implicated, France is implicated, Syria is implicated, etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Countries_implicated_in_the_Panama_Papers.svg/863px-Countries_implicated_in_the_Panama_Papers.svg.png

The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:*pulls out propaganda posters*

*destroys cathedral and worships the faculty of reason, while eating frog-legs*

Muh Roads, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:The reason for not mentioning "Americas allies" is because only one American is an alleged customer of Mossack Fonseca. The leak mainly involves Russians (definitively not an american ally) and Icelanders (technically an american ally but not a global superpower). The reason that the focus has been placed on the Russian and Icelanders connections is that it allegedly involves government leaders.

And finally your "if you want to support the rich line" Yes of course they have to play fair. But attacking people based on there personal income level is a socialist/communist(I repeat myself) thing to do.

Yes there are rich people who play the system and they should be held accountable but we don't want to go on some witch hunt for the bourgeoisie. They have tried that in the past. Didn't work too well

The details are still rolling out- the Panama Papers is over 4 TB large, and it'll take a while before all the details are sorted out into media. We'll see who is who when it comes to their clientele, but for now we will have to be satisfied with this ominous line from a journalist involved with the leak. (translated by the retweet)

https://twitter.com/georgikantchev/status/716771770636898304

Now that some time has passed, more media is covering the financial information leak, and my blood has cooled a bit, but I'm not attacking the rich, just the rich that use their wealth outside the rules we all agreed on. My personal economic beliefs aren't an integral part to my hatred of these sort of people, nor should your economic beliefs stop you from doing the same.

Crumlark wrote:I'm not attacking the rich, just the rich that use their wealth outside the rules we all agreed on.
Crumlark wrote:When we all agreed to play by the rules that the rich and powerful set out themselves, and they decided to break them. You happen to call those sorts of people 'criminals', and that means they get 'jail'. Isn't it fun when you understand social contract?

The "social contract" is fiction; my existence is not some tacit agreement to having my liberties trespassed against.

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Shirayuki Mizore

The social contract theory is detestable (as is any concept of authority beyond pure meritocracy and voluntary collaboration), but it is the only reliable way to pin the elite to their actions with a tool (authority and the state) they once used to just keep the underclass in line. It's quite fun, turning the monster against Dr. Frankenstein.

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i have voted. FOR I AM A SHEEP WHO CAN'T THINK FOR HIMSELF.

Rateria

Wonder who I should vote for.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Wonder who I should vote for.

I really like the ideas of that Miencraft guy, but on the other hand, Miencraft has made some nice promises and has done some very nice work in the past.

Oh, and also, I need a VP.

Who wants to do that?

The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:I really like the ideas of that Miencraft guy, but on the other hand, Miencraft has made some nice promises and has done some very nice work in the past.

Oh, and also, I need a VP.

Who wants to do that?

I think Miencraft would make a good VP.

Miencraft, The New United States, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

I would encourage the region to vote against "Condemn Caelapes." Despite the campaign promises of our new WA Secretary-General, the game has yet to show that the position has any power whatsoever. Consequently, anything he does falls under the category of RP actions, which cannot be condemned by the World Assembly.

If he actually is allowed to do stuff as WA Secretary-General, and does something undemocratic, he will have garnered a condemnation. Thus far, my opinion rests that the proposal cannot legally pass in the WA.

New Jaslandia

Miencraft wrote:I really like the ideas of that Miencraft guy, but on the other hand, Miencraft has made some nice promises and has done some very nice work in the past.

Oh, and also, I need a VP.

Who wants to do that?

*raises hand*

Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Well, I'd like to vote for Miencraft.. but he doesn't support the ROADS amendment. So I think I'll vote for Miencraft.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Shirayuki Mizore

Muh Roads wrote:Well, I'd like to vote for Miencraft.. but he doesn't support the ROADS amendment. So I think I'll vote for Miencraft.

No need to worry, my Lord. As soon as Miencraft is elected, and as soon as the ROADS Amendment is passed, Miencraft will have the power to excommunicate Miencraft for his heresy, according to Subsection IV.

The New United States wrote:

The ROADS Amendment

The Religious Overture to the Accession of the Deity Superhero - Roads Amendment

Section I

Purpose of the act

Subsection I

Establish the state religion of Libertatem

Section II

Establish the state religion of Libertatem

Subsection II

The state religion of Libertatem, henceforth, is the Holy Church of Roads

Subsection III

The Holy Church of Roads, as the infallible institution of our Supreme-Overlord Roads, shall have ultimate say over public policy

Subsection IV

Heretics shall be excommunicated from Libertatem

Subsection V

We reaffirm our commitment to Roads' righteous jihad against communism

Subsection VI

The word of Roads shall henceforth be canonized as scripture - The Manager of Internal Affairs shall be tasked with compiling every word ever spoken by Roads into a Facebook titled "The Doctrine & Covenants of the Holy Church of Roads"

Authored by The New United States

All glory to Roads! Viva Miencraft! Death to Miencraft!

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The New United States wrote:*raises hand*

Funny enough, I wanted it to either be you or Lord Roads.

You raised your hand first. You got the job.

The New United States wrote:No need to worry, my Lord. As soon as Miencraft is elected, and as soon as the ROADS Amendment is passed, Miencraft will have the power to excommunicate Miencraft for his heresy, according to Subsection IV.

First thing I'm doing after getting inaugurated is getting that amendment kick-started. And then that damn heretic Miencraft will burn for his sins.

The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:Funny enough, I wanted it to either be you or Lord Roads.

You raised your hand first. You got the job.

First thing I'm doing after getting inaugurated is getting that amendment kick-started. And then that damn heretic Miencraft will burn for his sins.

Finally some justice around here! Also when are board elections?

The New United States, Rateria

I'm glad to have brought the vote to a tie

The New United States

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Finally some justice around here! Also when are board elections?

Probably right after this.

The United States Of Patriots

I recommend that, after Miencraft is inaugurated, [nation=short]Republic_of_Minerva[/nation] and [nation=short]Shirayuki_Mizore[/nation] be excommunicated from Libertatem for voting for Miencraft.

Unless they repent and vote instead for Miencraft, of course.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria

Dammit, guys. Stop voting for Miencraft. Miencraft is clearly the one who will lead Libertatem to glory.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

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Crumlark wrote:When we all agreed to play by the rules that the rich and powerful set out themselves, and they decided to break them. You happen to call those sorts of people 'criminals', and that means they get 'jail'. Isn't it fun when you understand social contract?

Really? Can you direct me to that list of rules? I think I was absent that day in school.

The United States Of Patriots

If we raise the minimum wage to $15/h , then everyone will have a living wage. Some jobs might be lost and some businesses might go down under, but it's OK. Any corporations that cannot handle the minimum wage rising don't deserve to exist anyway.

-a certain prog on this site

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots, Reformed Venice

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me when i find the grandkids that didn't eat with papaw

I got only two-and-a-half hours of sleep last night, finishing a 45 minute-long presentation for this morning. I have a 6 page paper due tomorrow morning and another due the next morning, neither of which I've begun.

:'(

New Jaslandia

The New United States wrote:I got only two-and-a-half hours of sleep last night, finishing a 45 minute-long presentation for this morning. I have a 6 page paper due tomorrow morning and another due the next morning, neither of which I've begun.

:'(

Daaaang that sucks.

Quick everyone start being distracting

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria

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The New United States wrote:I got only two-and-a-half hours of sleep last night, finishing a 45 minute-long presentation for this morning. I have a 6 page paper due tomorrow morning and another due the next morning, neither of which I've begun.

:'(

I don't miss those days.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria

Whyyyyyy isn't this nation getting the capital city issssssueeeeeeeee.

Which reminds me, if you guys feel the need to endorse your favorite ABSOLUTE DICTATOR BY DEFAULT, this nation is WA :P

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If we raise the minimum wage to $15/h , then everyone will have a living wage. Some jobs might be lost and some businesses might go down under, but it's OK. Any corporations that cannot handle the minimum wage rising don't deserve to exist anyway.

-a certain prog on this site

That's downright tame for this site...

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Hmm, I can't decide who to vote for. I agree with Miencraft on most issues, but he just seems so elitist. On the other hand, Miencraft is such an approachable guy, like you could have a beer with him. I mean, Miencraft means well I'm sure, but I think he would be a far worse President than Miencraft. If nothing else, Miencraft has experience. Tough call.

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/dead-horse.gif

Miencraft, Rateria

Murfree wrote:Hi

Greetings! Welcome to Libertatem!

I haven't posted in a long while here.

Americans, who is best? Gary Johnson? John McAfee? Austin Petersen? Darryl W. Perry? Marc Allan Feldman? Those are the five Libertarians with I Side With profiles. There are around a dozen others running, but they have no chance of getting the nomination and the last two of the five require a miracle to get the nomination as the first three are the most likely.

Parvimperia

New Jaslandia wrote:Hmm, I can't decide who to vote for. I agree with Miencraft on most issues, but he just seems so elitist. On the other hand, Miencraft is such an approachable guy, like you could have a beer with him. I mean, Miencraft means well I'm sure, but I think he would be a far worse President than Miencraft. If nothing else, Miencraft has experience. Tough call.

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/dead-horse.gif

stop beating a dead horse

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Couldn't be happier with Wisconsin, at the moment.

The United States Of Patriots

Your State wrote:I haven't posted in a long while here.

Americans, who is best? Gary Johnson? John McAfee? Austin Petersen? Darryl W. Perry? Marc Allan Feldman? Those are the five Libertarians with I Side With profiles. There are around a dozen others running, but they have no chance of getting the nomination and the last two of the five require a miracle to get the nomination as the first three are the most likely.

Not sure. Out of all the candidates, I match the most with Austin Petersen, according to iSideWith, matching w/ 91%.

Austin Petersen 91%

Ted Cruz 88%

Darryl W. Perry 86%

Marc Allan Feldman 84%

Gary Johnson 79%

Donald Trump 73% (ew)

Bernie Sanders 21%

Hillary Clinton 16%

Supporting Ted Cruz, though. In my estimation, his presidency would be a profoundly positive step in the right direction on most all fronts, despite his campaign rhetoric and a few bad positions (criminal justice reform, for instance), and he's got a somewhat good shot if he wins the nomination, I think.

Not sure who I would support for the Libertarian Party nomination. I like Gary Johnson, besides a few of his ideas, and I really don't know enough about Austin Petersen.

The New United States wrote:Couldn't be happier with Wisconsin, at the moment.

Hm? What did they do?

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Hm? What did they do?

Chose Cruz over Trump by a margin of over 13%.

http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/results/2016/primary/gop/president/wisconsin/

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Murfree wrote:Hi

Welcome to Libertatem! Snacks are over to your right.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots

Can't tell if I have norovirus or rotavirus. Either way feeling horrible.

San Andrias wrote:Can't tell if I have norovirus or rotavirus. Either way feeling horrible.

Get better soon!

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, The United States Of Patriots

I guess I can stick around for a little while longer.

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:I guess I can stick around for a little while longer.

Awesome! How's life, Humpybear?

"The minute, pro-business government, or what there is of one, is solely concerned with Defense. It meets to discuss matters of state in the capital city of Port Victoria. Income tax is unheard of."

Describes my nation well, methinks.

Rateria, Parvimperia

Guess whose back.

Parvimperia

Murfree wrote:Guess whose back.

give us a hint pls

Parvimperia

Murfree wrote:Old timer

Too old perhaps, as I don't know who you are, and I doubt 80% of others here do either.

Parvimperia

Well Im off on my Barbershop choirs tour. I'll be back on Sunday. Miencraft I fully expect you to have ...."dealt"... with that no good, filthy, traitorous Miencraft once and for all.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria

Humpheria wrote:I guess I can stick around for a little while longer.

Who are you?

San Andrias, Parvimperia

Murfree wrote:Former VP
Republic Of Minerva wrote:Too old perhaps, as I don't know who you are, and I doubt 80% of others here do either.

Beyond my time too?

Parvimperia

Murfree wrote:Guess whose back.

Slim Shady?

New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Slim Shady?

Would the real one please stand up?

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Muh Roads wrote:Beyond my time too?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Too old perhaps, as I don't know who you are, and I doubt 80% of others here do either.

Weren't we all around when th VEEP Amendment was passed, though?

Muh Roads

Spoilers!

It's NP.

Source: he told me.

The New United States, Muh Roads

This is a close race. Is Miencraft going to keep his lead, or will his opponent Miencraft get a come-from-behind victory?

Miencraft, The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria

Miencraft vs. Miencraft

Doesn't something seem strange here?

The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia

United Massachusetts wrote:Miencraft vs. Miencraft

Doesn't something seem strange here?

What's strange is that that heretic Miencraft has any votes at all!

The New United States, Rateria, Parvimperia

Miencraft wrote:What's strange is that that heretic Miencraft has any votes at all!

Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed that so many folks would vote for Miencraft. :/

United Massachusetts wrote:Miencraft vs. Miencraft

Doesn't something seem strange here?

Indeed, it is quite strange that Miencraft could even compete in this election, what with his apostasy and all. I can't believe that he's even coming close to Miencraft.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia

I disagree. I'm a huge Miencraft supporter... it's just that I'm not so sure about Miencraft.

Miencraft, The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia

Your State isn't a citizen, so it looks like Miencraft will loose and Miencraft will win.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

San Andrias wrote:Your State isn't a citizen, so it looks like Miencraft will loose and Miencraft will win.

Miencraft must lose! How can we betray Miencraft like this? I can't believe mien (ha) eyes.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, Rateria, Parvimperia

7 hours left to vote Miencraft!

Remember, Miencraft not Miencraft!

Miencraft, The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia

On a more serious note, that cabinet has to be sorted out...

Dunno how active Pev is anymore, so I don't know what I'll be doing for War, and we'll need a Circuit Justice...

I'm finally free! No more essays! Victory!

New Jaslandia, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:On a more serious note, that cabinet has to be sorted out...

Dunno how active Pev is anymore, so I don't know what I'll be doing for War, and we'll need a Circuit Justice...

I can do something if you need me. My expertise is in legal affairs.

It's neck and neck. Can Miencraft beat Miencraft?

New Jaslandia, Rateria

San Andrias wrote:I can do something if you need me. My expertise is in legal affairs.

Looks like you get a choice between appellate and circuit, on account of how Humph is listed as the appellate justice and he's retired.

San Andrias

It seems that a lot of folks over at Conservative League have an odd disdain for property rights and religious liberty. Who'd have thought.

We need to export some libertarianism over in their direction.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The New United States wrote:It seems that a lot of folks over at Conservative League have an odd disdain for property rights and religious liberty. Who'd have thought.

We need to export some libertarianism over in their direction.

http://imglulz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/jehova.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/39/40/f9/3940f9282db08aae537ce63fbbe45268.jpg

Muh Roads wrote:Who are you?

https://youtu.be/PdLIerfXuZ4

Conservative Idealism wrote:Would the real one please stand up?

https://youtu.be/bxch-yi14BE

Miencraft wrote:On a more serious note, that cabinet has to be sorted out...

Dunno how active Pev is anymore, so I don't know what I'll be doing for War, and we'll need a Circuit Justice...

Like I said a while ago, I can help out in some position if needed, just as long as I don't displace any native Libertatem citizens.

The New United States

New Jaslandia wrote:Like I said a while ago, I can help out in some position if needed, just as long as I don't displace any native Libertatem citizens.

Weren't you RWN's AG?

You could keep doing that.

The New United States wrote:It seems that a lot of folks over at Conservative League have an odd disdain for property rights and religious liberty. Who'd have thought.

We need to export some libertarianism over in their direction.

Considering they abandoned REATO for their own fascist-ancap alliance, I don't particularly think that would help.

The New United States

Miencraft wrote:Weren't you RWN's AG?

You could keep doing that.

Okay. If you think I'm qualified, I'd be happy to continue on as AG.

Also, it was a tough call, but I voted for the underdog Miencraft. Miencraft is just an establishment tool! Miencraft, meanwhile, is a man of the people who makes the establishment tremble.

#NeverMiencraft

#Miencraft2016!

The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Is the War still going?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Considering they abandoned REATO for their own fascist-ancap alliance, I don't particularly think that would help.

*nods gravely in agreement*

Changed the NEWS section, because it wasn't really relevant.

I'll do some proper cleaning when I'm actually ABSOLUTE DICTATOR FOR LIFE, but there's a lot more work to be done than just making the WFE look nice.

Miencraft wrote:Changed the NEWS section, because it wasn't really relevant.

I'll do some proper cleaning when I'm actually ABSOLUTE DICTATOR FOR LIFE, but there's a lot more work to be done than just making the WFE look nice.

don't you fvckin dare touch the wfe

Still no cleaning of citizens register? I mean, I appreciate that y'all honor me enough to keep me on after renouncing, but that seems like a problem if you don't know who should have say in the region. ;)

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Still no cleaning of citizens register? I mean, I appreciate that y'all honor me enough to keep me on after renouncing, but that seems like a problem if you don't know who should have say in the region. ;)

To be fair, this election is pretty much the first government activity we've had in ages. It's been pretty stagnant around here.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

K. Errbody endorse Miencraft, just don't endorse Miencraft.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Congratulations, Mien! The heavy task now falls on you to bring us back from the abyss. I won't be very active, but I can help anyway you need me to.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Muh Roads wrote:K. Errbody endorse Miencraft, just don't endorse Miencraft.

Seriously though, if you do want to endorse someone, endorse Minovdigon.

Or not. I don't really care.

In other news, since the last administration ceased to be, are there still going to be inaugurations?

Because I don't know if I need to wait for that to start shoving people into the Court and the Cabinet.

Miencraft wrote:Looks like you get a choice between appellate and circuit, on account of how Humph is listed as the appellate justice and he's retired.

Can someone serve on the court and the Board, or only one?

Maybe we should have a Skype meeting with the new government coalition to get everything sorted out and the new government in order asap.

San Andrias wrote:Can someone serve on the court and the Board, or only one?

You can do both.

San Andrias wrote:Maybe we should have a Skype meeting with the new government coalition to get everything sorted out and the new government in order asap.

Skype is gross.

San Andrias

The New United States wrote:Steam?

Steam is not gross.

New Jaslandia, Parvimperia

The New United States wrote:Steam?

Pssst use Discord. It's all in browser (unless you download the program) with no sign-up or anything required.

You can see what it's like in the CFN Discord: https://discord.gg/0rnkfeWHF72acM4u

New Jaslandia

Unfallious wrote:Pssst use Discord. It's all in browser (unless you download the program) with no sign-up or anything required.

You can see what it's like in the CFN Discord: https://discord.gg/0rnkfeWHF72acM4u

Discord is also not gross.

New Jaslandia

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