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Skaveria wrote:It depends on your perspective I guess. It's like those people who used their stimulus check to buy firearms. There are ways to use that money to advance liberty.

Personally, I think taking state resources AWAY from the state is always a good thing. It's my money anyway. It came out of my taxes. I'd rather it go to people who vote and campaign to shut these programs down. It's also not like their personal gain would expand the programs in any way. If someone got foodstamps, sold them for .50 on the dollar, and used that money to organize a new LP chapter. I'd call that a net gain for liberty.

Of course, that implies they're actually using the money for that purpose, hense they're ACTIVELY opposing those programs.

I'm not talking about someone who is always screaming against welfare, but does a complete 180 once a Republican talks about doing it.

So passive-aggressive opposition? I hadn't thought of with that specific line of reason before (or if others had mentioned it, it didn't click). Using Statist monies that are free and clear (cash payment) for purposes of Liberty and Equality, I have no problem with. The foodstamp example is not good, because it is an instrument of monetized contractual obligation that is being impaired by an act of fraud -- violating NAP.

I still prefer objective opposition by principled consistency, but one of my character weaknesses is lapsing into pragmatic utility. I might just take the stimulus monies (if it isn't too late) and use it for lawful purposes to support liberty. That is an interesting strategy.

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Post self-deleted by Narland.

To formulate: When the government insists on acting like an abusive spouse trying to force the weaker partner into a codependent relationship by gaslight and threat of verbal and physical abuse, using their own resources against them would be a prudent course of action -- especially when avenues of escape from the abuse are not immediate. Does that sound congruous? --because it is like a lightbulb in my head.

The stimulus check for guns was a great idea

Narland, Etiloput Magnum

Atlantis is holding Winter Games on the 1st Feb to celebrate our region's 18th Anniversary. You are welcome to participate if you wish. Details in the dispatch.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1494749

Suzi Island wrote:The stimulus check for guns was a great idea

I agree

The vax may have killed Hank Aaron.. wow

Narland, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:The vax may have killed Hank Aaron.. wow

The current Pfizer (sp) vaccine has a 20% adverse reaction rate -- mostly minor reactions, but still an unacceptable level (imo), especially for seniors. My understanding is that later Pfizer and the to be released J&J vaccine will have taken care of those problems. For those getting a vaccine, it might be prudent to get a later dosage once the complications from the serum are lessened.

Rateria

Hey if this region was on the world map, what would it be

Rateria

Earth Allies wrote:Hey if this region was on the world map, what would it be

There's a world map?

Auxorii, Rateria

Earth Allies wrote:Hey if this region was on the world map, what would it be

Somalia

Auxorii, Rateria

Earth Allies wrote:Hey if this region was on the world map, what would it be

China

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Somalia

Somalian Pirates, we

Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria

Earth Allies wrote:Hey if this region was on the world map, what would it be

Mars chillin with Elon Musk

Suzi Island wrote:Somalian Pirates, we

We left our homes and we left our mothers

To go on a pillaging spree

We’ll cut off your ears

And break your toes

And make you drink our pee

And if you sail into our waters

You better hear this decree

We’ll take your boat

Set your ass afloat

Somalian pirates we

Auxorii, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:We left our homes and we left our mothers

To go on a pillaging spree

We’ll cut off your ears

And break your toes

And make you drink our pee

And if you sail into our waters

You better hear this decree

We’ll take your boat

Set your ass afloat

Somalian pirates we

Oh! Sally Brown, she's the gal for me, boys

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

Sally Brown, she's the girl for me, boys

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

It's down to Trinidad to see Sally Brown, boys

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

Down to Trinidad to see Sally Brown, boys

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

She's lovely on the foreyard, and she's lovely down below, boys

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

She's lovely cause she loves me, that's all I want to know, boys

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

Old Captain Baker, how do you store yer cargo?

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

Some I stow forward, and some I stow after

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

Forty fathoms or more below, boys

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

There's forty fathoms or more below, boys

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

Oh, weigh high ya, and up she rises

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

Weigh high ya, and the blocks is different sizes

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

Oh, one more pull, don't ya hear the mate a-bawling?

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

One more pull, that's the end of all our hauling

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

Sally Brown, she's the gal for me, boys

Roll, boys! Roll, boys, roll!

Sally Brown, she's the girl for me, boys

Weigh high, Miss Sally Brown!

Auxorii

Any Senator: Question of Clarification.

Chair: What is the question?

Any Senator: For the record, who is the President of the United States?

Chair: The President is Joe Biden

Any Senator: Question of Clarification.

Chair: What is the question?

Any Senator: In accord with Article 2 Section 4 we are we impeaching the President of the United States, Joe Biden?

Chair: We are impeaching Donald Trump.

Any Senator: Point of Order

Chair: What is the Point of Order

Move to dismiss as Donald Trump is not the President, or is he, and Biden is a fake?

Is there something I missed in high school parliamentary procedure?

Miencraft, Auxorii, Vichtander, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa

I actually find it funny that people were so ready to get rid of trump that they voted against their interests then are shocked that Biden is going against their interests

Narland, Skaveria

Miri Islands wrote:I actually find it funny that people were so ready to get rid of trump that they voted against their interests then are shocked that Biden is going against their interests

In light of the Trump presidency itself, I'd call the 2020 election something of a Hobson's choice for millions of Americans. People whose livelihoods are founded on exploitative industries (even through no fault of their own) could vote for the impeached grifter incumbent whose lack of coherent policy beyond self-aggrandizement would see America's economic influence and soft diplomatic power erode further, or they could vote for the empathetic career politician challenger who promised, in no uncertain terms, that he would champion a progressive agenda never before seen from a US president (and, over the course of the past week, has proven himself more than capable and willing to follow through). Either way, albeit for vastly different reasons, they'd be throwing away opportunities to enrich themselves and their families at the expense of the less fortunate - it was a choice between voting in favor of lifting the underprivileged up or in favor of knocking themselves down so even richer people wouldn't have to.

In case my bias wasn't clear, I favor a great many progressive policies, but at this time, it would be rather naive to assert that they benefit everyone's interests. In time, they could - but as long as we're playing this game of winners and losers, certain groups will just have to lose until the parameters of the game can be changed for the mutual benefit of all Americans. It's a small mercy that many of these groups, at present, are composed of people who aren't really used to losing.

Vichtander, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

What do you think of my flag UwU

6987-Hiv wrote:What do you think of my flag UwU

Do you happen to be a radical centrist?

Auxorii

6987-Hiv wrote:What do you think of my flag UwU

i think you are mentally ill

6987-Hiv wrote:What do you think of my flag UwU

ugly mess

6987-Hiv wrote:What do you think of my flag UwU

delete this

The States Of Balloon wrote:i think you are mentally ill

Yes i am

Is my new flag better?

#FreeGameStop

Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria, New Tampa, Smolcasm, Miri Islands

6987-Hiv wrote:Is my new flag better?

Needs more MS Paint.

Narland, Auxorii

Jadentopian Order wrote:#FreeGameStop

Power to the players!

Auxorii, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, New Tampa, Miri Islands

Jadentopian Order wrote:#FreeGameStop

TO THE MF MOON

Vichtander, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Smolcasm, Miri Islands

we need something to call this whole stock debacle. since it involved gamestop, I propose the name Gamergate

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Smolcasm

If there was any question before today that the game is rigged it's gone now

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Smolcasm

New Tampa wrote:TO THE MF MOON

diamond hands

Truth is the gamer was gated from the start

Narland, Rateria, Miri Islands

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Truth is the gamer was gated from the start

[puffs blunt] thats deep man

Narland, Rateria

Gamestop is gonna be blacklisted after this. Makes me feel bad. Now I have to go to a pawnshop to get brutally underpaid for my games.

Narland, Miri Islands

Every Dhar Mann video: "This person made an assume, but it's bad to make assume. Don't assume."

Does gamestop still have the one overly loud tv talking about all the new games that somehow makes you less likely to buy them?

Narland, Skaveria

Somone pls kill me

6987-Hiv wrote:Somone pls kill me

What’s wrong man?

tfw being gamer in 2021

Auxorii

what are your thoughts on Mike Cernovich?

Mike Cernovich? Ehhh hes good att sucking if u know what i mean UwU

Suzi Island wrote:Does gamestop still have the one overly loud tv talking about all the new games that somehow makes you less likely to buy them?

The closest gamestop near us, hocked their monster sized monitor of a tv long ago (or maybe it was looted). BobFM was playing over the mallish type drop ceiling loudspeakers. Three employees trying not to appear desperate gave prompt attention, asking if I needed help. That was about 4 months ago.

They had a false wall up making the shopping area about a 1/3 of the size it was last time I was there (over a decade past). I found a misplaced box of PS3 games while cleaning out the garage. They had a decent deal on Outer Worlds for PC (electronic download -- i hate those) for the trade.

I hadn't been in last since 2003. They looked in awe at my paper Gamestop wallet punch card. I felt so old that I didn't even try to flirt with the college girl with the blue hair, nose rings and the "boobs aren't a disability" t-shirt. :)

Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:what are your thoughts on Mike Cernovich?
Given some maturity and a classical education he could become the next George Carlin. But given the "McCarthyist" malice of the Leftists, he probably will end up being a 21st Century analog of Lenny Bruce -- despised, castigated, and underappreciated. If we go full tilt AOC, he will probably end up being declared an enemy of the state and executed without fanfare like the entertainers (including comedians) of Shanghai under Mao, or any other totalitarian Statism.

The fact that he denounces the alt-right lends credence to his not being alt-right. American Alt-righters and other Leftists tend to boast in the fact they are ideologues and rationalize (most irrationally) their illiberal sentiments. I have yet to meet a white supremacist, or other person who hated one, some, or all of the human race who wasn't proud of and boasted in the fact that they did so (with all the false reasons for doing so). I don't think he is particularly witty at this time, but given the opportunity he may become quite skilled in making people with some sense of humor of which they are aware, laugh. (American Leftists in general, and global Communists in particular tended to have sacrificed their sense of humor on the altar of hate long ago.)

Baloo Kingdom wrote:If this post gets 40 likes I will literally reveal the side of my refrigerator.

Narland wrote:Given some maturity and a classical education he could become the next George Carlin. But given the "McCarthyist" malice of the Leftists, he probably will end up being a 21st Century analog of Lenny Bruce -- despised, castigated, and underappreciated. If we go full tilt AOC, he will probably end up being declared an enemy of the state and executed without fanfare like the entertainers (including comedians) of Shanghai under Mao, or any other totalitarian Statism.

I will bet my entire lifesavings that this literally never happens

Jadentopian Order wrote:I will bet my entire lifesavings that this literally never happens

We shall see. Other than the three choices of acclaim, disdain, or being disappeared there aren't many alternatives left. What do you think is in store for him?

I don't do high stakes gambling, but perhaps we can wager a 24-pack (or equivalent) of your favorite (moderately priced) beverage. I am partial to sugar cane Dr. Pepper, dry sangrias, and Boylan-style birch beers.

***anecdote alert***

I made the mistake once of betting an unspecified bottle of beverage back in the early 90s (Her taste was in the Blue Nun range) but the sassy red-head wanted a $400ish bottle of Dom Perignom. :/ She thought I was wealthy because I was starting a business. =) ***insert cynical laughter here*** We are still friends, though. Every once in a while i will dramatically check my wallet when she is nearby to see her give that priceless "glare of death." :)

***end anecdote***

Auxorii, Jadentopian Order

Narland wrote:***anecdote alert***

I made the mistake once of betting an unspecified bottle of beverage back in the early 90s (Her taste was in the Blue Nun range) but the sassy red-head wanted a $400ish bottle of Dom Perignom. :/ She thought I was wealthy because I was starting a business. =) ***insert cynical laughter here*** We are still friends, though. Every once in a while i will dramatically check my wallet when she is nearby to see her give that priceless "glare of death." :)

***end anecdote***

Sounds like you dodged a bullet there lol

Narland

Auxorii wrote:Sounds like you dodged a bullet there lol

Yep. I thought she was after my heart, but methinks she was after my wallet. Champaign tastes and a beer income make for a very unhappy spouse. She finally settled for an actuary (and she is a part-time medical transcriptionist). I am more or less a feast or famine type guy. With Biden going back to "Suck-America-Dry" policy of the last 40 years, it is going to be famine for the foreseeable future.

Auxorii, New Tampa, Miri Islands

This topic looks promising:

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=497864

Is it time to depose of Capitalism, comrades? Viva la starvación!

Of course, real Capitalism, not the Marxist straw-man of deranged oligarchical despotism that conveniently ignores the human condition, and reality itself (or as our Framers put it nature, nature's God). Free enterprise (being synonymous with Americanist Capitalism) is a self-governing free people in a free society lawfully (viz., voluntarily) exchanging goods and services with their inhered rights to life, liberty and justly gained property fully intact, protecting themselves in said self-governance from fraud, corruption, or undue interference (which includes bullies in whatever form be it racketeers or bureaucrats -- but I repeat myself).

It should go without saying (but it doesn't because Socialist thought is pervasive in obfuscating the nature of things) implies that each and every individual is just in owning, operating, and conveying his own means of production should he so desire. That it is or ought be a tort or a crime (but not necessarily a jailable offence) to hinder anyone from liberally engaging in the right to pursuit of happiness clear of entanglements of involuntary contract, malice, criminal elements, and the State itself by right of freedom of association.

Or the sociological norms of what my grandfather's generation meant with they used to say, "hard work," or what one particular grandfather meant by job when he said, "Go get a 'real' job, hippie!"

Skaveria

The internal communists threat created by the leftists in the US has infiltrated every facet of culture from Hollywood and the MSM to our schools, churches, and military. Nothing is safe because communism is more than an abstract political or economic philosophy; it is an all consuming religion in which all must be converted or eliminated. Unfortunately Trump was an outlier, the one figure on the right who not only stood up to the threat but also won. He may be far, far from perfect and he has no political future thanks to the lying MSM and dems in conjunction with weak willed GOPers who rather salvage what years they have left with an semblance of power before their inevitable demise as the American Communist revolution comes to full force.

Miencraft, Narland, Skaveria

is it any wonder that the generation that was pratically banned from free play outside (due to the media fueled spectre of danger) is the same one so willing to give up freedoms in the name of a virus with a 99.9 percent survival rate?

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Skaveria, Miri Islands

https://www.reuters.com/article/poland-politics-internet/poland-targets-big-tech-with-anti-censorship-law-idINL8N2JQ2QJ

"We are going to enforce Free Speech by destroying it!" — Poland

Dang, usually its the left that has trouble with this concept, not the right. Even the most ardent trump supporting libertarians here have to admit this crosses the line. Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and can censor what they please. This of course does not extend to the public sector, like a political rally at a park. Why can't people understand the difference?

If you want private companies and individuals to not censor, change the culture from one of censorship to one that embraces free thought and opinion. You cannot enforce freedom, only create the conditions for it.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and can censor what they please. This of course does not extend to the public sector, like a political rally at a park. Why can't people understand the difference?

The thing with them is that Twitter and Facebook and the like are legally protected as if they are the public sector - the way it's meant to work is that they aren't considered responsible for the content on their platform, and in exchange they don't have the right to curate the content on their platform. They can censor whatever the hell they want, but they have to give up their immunity to do so, and the problem lies in the fact that they're getting both the immunity and enjoying the ability to censor the content posted to their platforms.

They stopped being private platforms when they became the public square, so if they want to start censoring and curating content then they also have to be held legally responsible for any content posted to their platforms. That's the exchange.

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

Republic Of Minerva wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/poland-politics-internet/poland-targets-big-tech-with-anti-censorship-law-idINL8N2JQ2QJ

"We are going to enforce Free Speech by destroying it!" — Poland

Dang, usually its the left that has trouble with this concept, not the right. Even the most ardent trump supporting libertarians here have to admit this crosses the line. Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and can censor what they please. This of course does not extend to the public sector, like a political rally at a park. Why can't people understand the difference?

If you want private companies and individuals to not censor, change the culture from one of censorship to one that embraces free thought and opinion. You cannot enforce freedom, only create the conditions for it.

Of course the competitors to twitter and FB have a devil of a time being able to stay online. (Parler)

Narland

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If you want private companies and individuals to not censor, change the culture from one of censorship to one that embraces free thought and opinion.

gee, thanks

Republic Of Minerva wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/poland-politics-internet/poland-targets-big-tech-with-anti-censorship-law-idINL8N2JQ2QJ

"We are going to enforce Free Speech by destroying it!" — Poland

Dang, usually its the left that has trouble with this concept, not the right. Even the most ardent trump supporting libertarians here have to admit this crosses the line. Twitter, Facebook etc. are private platforms and can censor what they please. This of course does not extend to the public sector, like a political rally at a park. Why can't people understand the difference?

If you want private companies and individuals to not censor, change the culture from one of censorship to one that embraces free thought and opinion. You cannot enforce freedom, only create the conditions for it.

Brief History

Because on the one hand it is a distinction without a difference and on the other it is a false dichotomy. Post 1960s enforcement of the 1954 wholesale corporate reform laws derived from FDR's Raw Deal from Statists in the 30s and 40s have forced all business concerns to register as creatures of the State where the state has a vested interest in business policy -- at first the duly constitutional power to stop piracy (et.al.) then allegedly arbitrary power to stop "tax fraud" (a legitimate goal now abused) ever increasing with now the goal of "suppressing disinformation." It has just taken 70 years to condition the People (raise a generation) to except this. Corporations as practiced since the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s are for all intensive purposes an integral part of the State. The State is just being "magnanimous"in letting you think you run your own business and own the labor of your own person.

Their Goal (and ever changing goalposts)

This is where i have protested most of my life for remonstrance against the tyranny of Progressivists' (from the Civil War onward) insistence of state created corporation as a form of governance (normalcy) as apposed to free enterprise normalcy. When the dialectic was free enterprise vs Marxian dogma, corporatism was an acceptable synthesis for them. Now that all business are some form of corporation (creature of the State) the dialectic has of course shifted from corporatism (disguised as free enterprise) vs Marxian Dogma. See how that works? -- always changing the goalposts and always discarding their previous cause for one closer to their delusional Marxist Utopia hoping the conservatives will conserve not the original objective (right to pursuit of happiness, but a supposed right to start a corporation). Their next step is to incorporate corporations into the State directly as instruments of said state (National Health Service, etc) or abolish them altogether (Salvation Army providing health services to the community), destroying what little remains of free enterprise in the process.

Separation of One's Business and State

Businesses (generic sense) have only the aim of providing a vehicle for the pursuit of happiness for those so engaged (as individuals) by lawful contractual obligation free from force or fraud by any source including the State to provide a product or service in voluntary exchange. My only obligation to the State is to give them the address of my actual person "doing business as" so if force or fraud is committed, I can be informed so my public servants can rectify the (actual crime) with all due process keeping all our rights fully intact, and while keeping their noses otherwise out of my (and everyone else's) business. My obligation to pay taxes was trivial because taxes were few in number, small in amount, directly representative and/or voluntary (legal sense), and government only stopped force, fraud, made doing business easy (that is what regulation originally meant), and could call out the troops to stop invasion and (real not fake) insurrection.

Why is this important?

Because the first rights they (those who hate objective liberty) took from us de jure (statutorily) was our right to pursuit of happiness regarding each person's business being nobody else's (literally) including the State (whereas the State is everybody's business -- despots always get this backward). So long as I act Lawfully -- didn't use my labor (means of production) for actual harm against the person and property of others, the state had no business in my business. I had an ethical duty to govern my self, my person, and my business in as professional a manner as able (in accords with the community ethical standards) as part of the public goodwill, to which I was subject only to God, my conscience, to my peers and my customers -- not the State. It was NOT the duty of the State to impinge their druthers upon my lawful business practices in either form or function.

Liberty vs Serfdom

Make no mistake, if you have to license your person to practice your God given right to do business not as a free person in a free society but as a creature of the State it is no longer a matter Liberty and Equality, but a matter of Serfdom. The "corporation" that is an instrument of the State to which the individuals are beholden has no place in a free society. Poland may understand that something is dreadfully wrong with Statist Corporatism (Fascism -- not the epitath, but the actual form of governance), but may not exactly understand the whys and wherefores to make sound decisions.

Learning from History

The answer is of course to remove the state from self-governing persons engaging in business. Then it is simple (hard but simple) to apply the law of liberty in the public fora evenly upon those who which to engage; to apply the liberty of publishing to those who whish to engage; and the liberty of advertisement (legal definition) to those who wish to engage. When we had town criers, physical public fora, public billboards (think per-automobile billboards not 20th century highway billboards), bulletin boards, etc. there were simple, and coherent rules conducive to liberty that were followed. These are principles and practices that have been honed for the last 3000 years in what is now Western Civ and easily transferable to electronic virtual communication, for those who have the fortitude to fight against those who despise Liberty.

Sorry for the essay, but this is important. Corporations and Buracracies are two sides of the same Statist coin. Corporations (as created by Progressives), are not made to facilitate free enterprise, but to break free enterprise so that direct government intervention looks like a better option. Mussolini's goal of fixing Marx by institutional Socialism through corporatism was doomed to failure, not because free enterprise fails but because Marx fails. It has failed there and it has failed here in every part of the sector that it is tried. The Statists create the problem, and then use more Statism as the solution. Rinse and repeat until we are all under a totalitarian grip run by a ruling elite of neo-Marxist Globalists -- whether they support corporatism (neocons) or support bureaucratization (neolibs) -- both of whom have abandoned the concepts of Liberty and Equality through constitutional self-governance for the ravings of a madman named Karl Marx who has wrought death, destruction, and destitution to untold billions caught in his snare.

Yes, I am aware that corporations are statist entities (something that can be said with much more brevity).

Right, if corporations should be forced to adhere to the rules and laws previously limited to the public sphere, you go down the deep rabbit hole of then using the Constitution to justify eroding the free market. You go from enforcing corporations respect the first amendment, to forcing corporations to promote the "public welfare" or whatever smarmy justifications the democrats can think up. And also, lets not forget the trade clauses, protectionism, and all that.

I agree mostly though with your conclusion (whether you said this directly I cannot discern), that the concept of "corporations" and "corporate personhood" must go. A person's business is a fundamental extension of his property rights, it does not become the property of the state.

:( I am under a curse of wordiness.

Republic Of Minerva

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Yes, I am aware that corporations are statist entities (something that can be said with much more brevity).

Right, if corporations should be forced to adhere to the rules and laws previously limited to the public sphere, you go down the deep rabbit hole of then using the Constitution to justify eroding the free market. You go from enforcing corporations respect the first amendment, to forcing corporations to promote the "public welfare" or whatever smarmy justifications the democrats can think up. And also, lets not forget the trade clauses, protectionism, and all that.

I agree mostly though with your conclusion (whether you said this directly I cannot discern), that the concept of "corporations" and "corporate personhood" must go. A person's business is a fundamental extension of his property rights, it does not become the property of the state.

Thank you for putting succinctly what I could not. I think it is of utmost importance to expound at each and every opportunity the point of your last paragraph. To quote, "that the concept of "corporations" and "corporate personhood" must go. A person's business is a fundamental extension of his property rights, it does not become the property of the state."

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Right, if corporations should be forced to adhere to the rules and laws previously limited to the public sphere

Bottom line: they should not be allowed to act as the public sphere without being legally treated that way.

Social media giants currently do have the legal protections of being the public sphere, but also act as private corporations. They can't be both.

If they're the public sphere, then the law ought to be enforced on them as such, regardless of the consequences and implications. If they're not, then they need their protections stripped from them because they are currently hiding behind the guise of the public sphere while acting as if they are still private entities.

Fortunately, we do already have laws in place for this sort of thing: enforce section 230 as it currently exists, and hold social media accountable for whatever content appears on their platforms if they curate in the way, for example, twitter does. Any platform that does not curate should, rightfully, enjoy protections from the consequences of hosting illegal content (and other privileges extended to the public sphere), because they simply host and don't have a hand in what does and does not actually appear on their platform - these are the protections currently given to twitter, Facebook, etc. in the name of their being the public sphere.

Simply remove the section 230 protections from platforms like twitter that flagrantly violate the conditions of those protections, and the problem is solved.

Narland

I cannot overstate the degree to which I find communists an irredeemably vile and reprehensible people

The States Of Balloon wrote:I cannot overstate the degree to which I find communists an irredeemably vile and reprehensible people

I’ve been saying this about Shlomo for years...

People I got somethings happening but today I´m going to do a flag contest for the week, Friday will see who will make the best flag and I will make a region with that flag on it showing the best flag I got in embassy regions, telegram me to join or ask more

The super bowl was bland this year

god people are so entitled these days. "ohhh don't draw porn of my sona" "wehh don't write fics of real people" where do you think you are? suck it up or get out.

Suzi Island wrote:The super bowl was bland this year

Because Brady did his thing as always?

New Tampa

Auxorii wrote:Because Brady did his thing as always?

The game was decent, ads forgettable, and halftime show underwhelming.

Auxorii, New Tampa

There was a superbowl this year?

Narland wrote:There was a superbowl this year?

Tom Brady won.

Auxorii wrote:Tom Brady won.

Good to hear he is still alive. How old is he now, 50, 60? For every year of play there is an indirect proportion of IQ points lost from brain cells concussed. If he plays into his 90s he might just derive a low enough IQ to be elected to Congress.

Miencraft, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Narland wrote:Good to hear he is still alive. How old is he now, 50, 60? For every year of play there is an indirect proportion of IQ points lost from brain cells concussed. If he plays into his 90s he might just derive a low enough IQ to be elected to Congress.

43 and going strong 💪🏼

#TomBrady4Congress

Narland, Rateria, New Tampa

This has got to be the (legitimately) stupidest, most (morally) vacuous Congress in the history of the US. They are like self-important grade school children trying to ostracize the "icky" guy with the orange hair by pretending to be "grown-ups." We are going to have to put ourselves on our own rogue-nations list if DC doesn't get itself together.

Come to think about it, I would trust well disciplined, conscientious, and astute 6th graders from a school with a well developed classical education curriculum to federally congress before I trusted these clowns with my constitutional governance.

***My apology to clowns everywhere for comparing them with Congress. No offence intended. All rights reserved. Your mileage may vary. Not a paid spokesperson. Void where prohibited. Consult a physician to see if clowning around is right for you.***

Miencraft, Skaveria, Nosam Republic

Narland wrote:This has got to be the (legitimately) stupidest, most (morally) vacuous Congress in the history of the US. They are like self-important grade school children trying to ostracize the "icky" guy with the orange hair by pretending to be "grown-ups." We are going to have to put ourselves on our own rogue-nations list if DC doesn't get itself together.

Come to think about it, I would trust well disciplined, conscientious, and astute 6th graders from a school with a well developed classical education curriculum to federally congress before I trusted these clowns with my constitutional governance.

***My apology to clowns everywhere for comparing them with Congress. No offence intended. All rights reserved. Your mileage may vary. Not a paid spokesperson. Void where prohibited. Consult a physician to see if clowning around is right for you.***

I would trust actual clowns instead of some in this congress. At least they are wasting tme on a pointless impeachment rather than going through with their crazier ideas.

Narland

Math is racist

Auxorii, Rateria

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Miencraft, Auxorii, Nosam Republic

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Math is racist
:) Such a blatantly insane statement would be humorous if it weren't for people who act upon such madness.

One can always tell a deranged Marxist (but I repeat myself), by the inane statements. "Property is theft!" No, property is just some stuff that sits there subject to entropy until someone does something with it. What a person does with that "stuff" determines the fitness of the action.

To say property is theft is incoherent at best. To make it so. is madness, and to enforce it at the point of a gun is criminal insanity -- years of progress is lost; countless lives are destroyed; cultures, and civilizations are irreparably harmed -- hundreds of millions have already been murdered to make what cannot be, somehow function.

"Math is racist!" No, math is a discovery and extrapolation of the correlation of shape, size, and number woven into the fabric of universe. It just doesn't do anything. It just lays there hidden until someone uncovers it and does something with it. What a person does with it determines the fitness of the action.

To say that math is racist is incoherent at best. To make is so is madness. To enforce it within the halls of government will irreparably harm countless lives, and if not abated millions of people will be destroyed by enforcing this insanity. But that is of course what they want -- destruction.

As logic and mathematics are woven into the fabric of the cosmos (and transcend it), it must be hard for some people to grasp that if indeed math can be racist by their magical thinking, then those who are "anti-racist" must by necessity make all of reality into a lie. They must justify their own (lack of) fitness by blaming everyone and everything else. They make themselves into a cosmic malfunction wherein the whole of the universe can not but be against them. By so doing, they become a danger to themselves and others. This of course is but madness and folly -- and when fools and madmen reign, death, destruction, and unfixable damage are not far behind.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Math is racist

Engineering is bigotry.

Auxorii wrote:43 and going strong 💪🏼

#TomBrady4Congress

The fact that he is 43 and it’s looking like he has at least 2 more years in him is insane. Peyton Manning is 44 and has been out of the NFL for years. Not to mention that Manning’s last season he was essentially carried to a Super Bowl, whereas Brady is still one of the driving forces on his team.

Auxorii

REMOVING ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS DOESN’T REDUCE ANY FACET OF MY GOVERNMENT

I HATE THIS WEBSITE

Narland wrote:Engineering is bigotry.

:(

Rateria

Narland wrote:Engineering is bigotry.

Grammar is sexist.

Narland

Miencraft wrote:Grammar is sexist.

Meteorology is homophobic

Narland

Wait, it gets cold in the winter how did I not know that?

The United States Of Patriots wrote::(

Sorry, I am talking like an educated-to-ignorance Marxist that has been schooled beyond his intellect into knowing things that just aren't so. :) Sometimes the stupidity humorous -- until they try to implement it by force. Delusionally thinking that square pegs don't fit into round holes because square pegs are evil needing a bigger hammer with more force, always ends badly.

In truth, engineering is an antithesis of bigotry.

Narland wrote:Sorry, I am talking like an educated-to-ignorance Marxist that has been schooled beyond his intellect. Some of us find the stupidity humorous -- until they try to implement it by force. Delusionally thinking that square pegs don't fit into round holes because square pegs are evil needing a bigger hammer with more force, always ends badly.

Engineering is the antithesis of bigotry.

engineering is NIGGATRY haha

RIP Rush Limbaugh 1951-2021 Talent returned to God.

Miencraft, Auxorii, Suzi Island

Narland wrote:RIP Rush Limbaugh 1951-2021 Talent returned to God.

I really hate it when people gloat over someone's death. It's downright cruel and disgusting. People are saying they hope he's burning in hell.

Narland, Auxorii

Rush Limbaugh could explain conservative ideals simply and did so with humour and intelliegance even as he eviscerated the left. RIP

Miencraft, Narland

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/19/perspectives/rush-limbaugh-talk-radio/index.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/618058/

Skaveria wrote:I really hate it when people gloat over someone's death. It's downright cruel and disgusting. People are saying they hope he's burning in hell.

I guess many people forget that one day they too will die. I want to be remembered for the good things i did and said. I do not want to be remembered as that guy that hated so and so so much that nobody remembers what little good I was able to be a part of while here on Earth. I hope all those who gloat and hate will come to their senses and learn to love.

Limbaugh was a man with a great mind who loved his work, and loved people even greater. In spite of his trials and tribulations he forged ahead creating a voice for Middle America that had been progressively ignored and berated by Establishment. He created a national market for alternative voices in radio and tv that had been closing down. There were others before him, like Barry Farber (RIP -- 1930-2020) but Rush had a style all his own. Without him i doubt there would be an AM band today, a Fox News with the usual suspect of talking heads, or even a Drudge Report. He was very blessed that it didn't get to his head.

Suzi Island wrote:Rush Limbaugh could explain conservative ideals simply and did so with humour and intelligence even as he eviscerated the left. RIP

His wit and common sense will be missed. I love how he used the smugness and pomposity of academic and political elites to entertaining effect by acting pompous himself when "commentatoring." A lot of the hatred is probably out of envy that he was liked for it (perhaps not understanding that it was an act), and they and they have nowhere near the level of popularity and general name recognition. The difference is in what type of person remains once the mask comes down.

Auxorii

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/19/perspectives/rush-limbaugh-talk-radio/index.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/618058/

I used to subscribe to The Atlantic, from the 70s onward, (or read it at the library when I couldn't afford a subscription) but something happened about 10-20 years ago where it stopped being a work of excellent journalism (with whom my opinion more often that not differed ) and became something other. I cancelled my subscription, and the general office did not even want to know why. I have lost all respect for the Atlantic but nowhere near the lack of respect I have for CNN.

Leftists never seem to understand that (Americans in general) and American Conservatives (in particular) aren't like them. We aren't the Borg who mindlessly take marching orders from some utopian idealism resting on the skulls of a 100 million dead or be cancelled as defective. We are a coalition of disparate groups asserting the hopes we have in common based on The Founding Documents, the Abolition of Slavery, The Reconstruction Amendments, every Civil Rights Acts from 1876 to present, and Conserving Classical Liberalism (including Free Enterprise Capitalism) and a Constitutional Federal Republic of member States in extreme Liberty and unrelenting Justice.

Unlike the Left, Rush Limbaugh is an individual who by traditional standards was himself a slightly to the left Republican (Think about it, he had always modeled his political stands he asserted off of those of JFK during his last year of office. JFK was not a Conservative). For someone like me who is a radical republican, Rush Limbaugh is middle of the road. He is not Libertarian enough, but he opened the channels so that my voice, and millions of others were not silenced. He has earned our respect for doing so.

The appeal of Trump is that he is a double-O-7 -- he is a wrecking ball to the Establishment who have been trying to shove their "rational administrative" Statism down our throats in violation of the Law of Liberty since John Dewey turned the public schools into Socialist incubators. Anybody who did any research before supporting Turnip could have read any of his political papers, or any of his books. They are well documented and very clear that he is Reform Party on every issue except abortion.

Unlike "moderates" of the duopoly who always side with the Establishment half of the Democrats, and the Establishment half of the Republicans, Perot and the Perot faction of the Reform Party took the Disestablishment half of the GOP, and the Disestablishment half of the Democratic Party and platformed it. If I have to choose between an establishment GOP and a disestablishment Reform Partier (who is only half-conservative), I am voting for the Reform candidate. I would prefer to vote for a pro-life Libertarian but that was not a viable option this election cycle.

Trump is not a Conservative, but that is not where the divide is. The divide between those who seek a globalist hegemony of command economy by a ruling global elite (the Establishment) snuffing out our Liberty for their privilege and comfort, and those who wish to retain our Federalist identity as a free country of free Citizens in a free and open society where we are free to pursuit our happiness unmolested. Rush made the same decision when choosing to support Trump who is middle of the road to Rush. This is consistent in character and behaviour. . CNN and the Atlantic are being obtuse, sloppy, or deceptive. Any which way, journalism in the main is truly dead.

Skaveria wrote:I really hate it when people gloat over someone's death. It's downright cruel and disgusting. People are saying they hope he's burning in hell.

I mean he probably is burning in hell, so they aren't wrong there.

I don't have too many opinions on the guy, but he was someone who used his network to mock those who died of aids, compared gay marriage to 'normalizing pedophilia', etc.

I'm not celebrating nor mourning his death, but yeah, anyone who would do those things isn't of good moral character.

Even if not 'good' its pretty understandable for anyone who is lgbtq+ to be gloating over his death.

If some prominent member of the KKK died I, nor most other black people would be sheading any tears over it, that's for damn sure.

And while comparing him to the Klan may not be the most accurate comparison, thats how I would imagine it would feel like to those Limbaugh hated.

Rateria

New Tampa wrote:I mean he probably is burning in hell, so they aren't wrong there.

I don't have too many opinions on the guy, but he was someone who used his network to mock those who died of aids, compared gay marriage to 'normalizing pedophilia', etc.

I'm not celebrating nor mourning his death, but yeah, anyone who would do those things isn't of good moral character.

Even if not 'good' its pretty understandable for anyone who is lgbtq+ to be gloating over his death.

If some prominent member of the KKK died I, nor most other black people would be sheading any tears over it, that's for damn sure.

And while comparing him to the Klan may not be the most accurate comparison, thats how I would imagine it would feel like to those Limbaugh hated.

Not saying the guy was a saint. I don't know much about him aside from people's opinions. I just don't like how callous our society is getting. Wishing death or eternal torture on ANYONE is messed up. It's partially why I'm not religious. The concept of a "loving" god damning people doesn't sit right with me.

Yet I see people, some of whom I know aren't even religious, going out of their way, against their own criticisms of fundamentalist belief, to wish torment on someone. It's nasty stuff.

Miencraft

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