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Region: Libertatem
Abortion
The family
Immigration
National-defense
The United States Of Patriots
Anybody watch the LP debates?
If it can be argued that fetuses and/or embryos are living, it would certainly be a Libertarian position to protect them.
One ridiculous statement I've heard is believing in life in the womb but supporting the allowance of abortion. "It's murder but I don't care" is like saying that one's neighbor could be robbed, but as long as it isn't the home of the apathetic individual.
Parvimperia
The Heritage Foundation? Really? If you agree with their policy positions that's fine, but they are not a scientific organization.
"Judith Stacey, of New York University, stated: "Rarely is there as much consensus in any area of social science as in the case of gay parenting, which is why the American Academy of Pediatrics and all of the major professional organizations with expertise in child welfare have issued reports and resolutions in support of gay and lesbian parental rights".[42]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting#Consensus
As for the rest of that post, I'll just say 'traditional morality' and the 'traditional family' have changed countless times; if it didn't, it would still be legal for people to have 47 wives. Talk of how we don't know what we're dealing with when changing norms is fear-mongering, when society and its norms are constantly evolving.
Of course, that position assumes fetuses and embryos can be considered 'life', which is highly debatable to say the least. Though, if you do believe fetuses and embryos are living, it does seem a bit odd to still be okay with abortion, and on the surface it seems like a case of individualistic libertarianism taken to the extreme.
Well, I guess my stance on abortion is kinda similar. I find abortion immoral, but if I had a power to ban it, I wouldn't do it. IMO it should be a decision of community and probably in libertarian society there will be conservative towns, where abortion is equal to murder and homosexuals are heavily ostracized, and places with liberal law, where fetuses are being removed on a regular basis. If pro-lifers want people to let children be born, they should work from the bottom up, convince and persuade. But banning abortion without widespread support all over the society won't help, it will just make it a little bit more dangerous and expensive. BTW, bombing abortion clinics won't help either.
Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia
because im a anarcho-capitalist/right wing libertarian now and this region seem to understand the importance of the free-market
Hello!
I'm an prime ministerial candidate in the Central Pacific Empire, If I am elected to serve as lease of the region, I will seek to draft and reinstate the Inter Regional Defence Treaty, essentially an agreement between all signatories (Hopefully the CPE, FFS, CoC and UEI) which mandated each region to use its military wing to assist any region in that agreement who is attacked or raided. The idea of this is to ensure stable long term security for all signatories.
I have already approached your President about this, however I'd like gather some more opinions, suggestions and comments.
-- Conta
Sorry, autocorrect. *I'm A prime ministerial candidate in the CPE. If I am elected to serve as *Leader of the region and *in which each region is mandated
Even if they aren't, they will become living things, and by stopping them from becoming alive you are killing them.
The United States Of Patriots
I believe fetuses to be alive and I would ban it and anyone involved in an abortion would be tried with murder. Is it too much to give the baby a chance at life? It doesn't make sense to end someone's life because it interferes with your own.
Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas
I agree mostly, but at the same time, I think minors who are raped should be able to get an abortion, or anyone who is raped for that matter. However, if you voluntarily have sex and end up pregnant, it's no one's fault but your one.
Essentially, my view is the same, but only on morality level. If the pregnancy had come from a voluntary act, even if you didn't intend it, it's immoral to have an abortion. On the other hand, that's only with morality, I don't believe to have any right to ban abortion and control an individual and what they with their body.
Las-Vegas
I love how Marxists don't even recognize how communism(Marxism) has failed and don't see how it's their formula that makes it fail each. The fact that Marxism requires a dictatorship of the proletariat shows completely how it fails each time. One can't expand a government's size and then expect it to use force to relinquish its power. Plus, this idea automatically gives some sort thinking of legitimacy to having a dictatorship alongside Marx's creed.
Lenin, Mao, Castro, they all believed their dictatorships as legitimate because of this flawed step in Marx's plan for utopia. Unfortunately, very few believe in skipping this step and just creating Marx's utopia that is as he described, while most believe in having a so-called local council that is totally not a state. This is what plagues our world and we must find a way to have more people move away from this oppressive way of thinking, that they don't even realize they are preaching.
Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas
You see, it's their body, but it's the baby's life.
Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots
After the LP debates, I think the possible nominees are either Johnson or McAfee. Johnson has the political experience while McAfee has the life experience and can actually use technology, unlike literally 99% of the entire political body. I hope in the televised debate, the candidates will have better explained platforms (except Johnson since for some reason he's not going).
I think all abortion should be outlawed. It doesn't matter how the baby came about, he or she still has the right to life and that cannot be denied.
Parvimperia, Las-Vegas
What if a ten year old is brutally raped and then gets pregnant?
Hi I am new here
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Hold on that's too much black and white to have a good you need to have some grey.
Whereas i think abortion is something bad, i also think there should be some "hard" cases those being:
-Rape
-Diseases, that will kill the child ( mortality rate over 25%)
Las-Vegas
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdv148-FUwbcjY-YNgRUZOw/videos
It's split into 3 parts due to the streaming issues and the 1st has too much lighting but they fix it later on.
Republic Of Minerva
The child still deserves a chance at life. The child can be put up for adoption, but killing it because it inconveniences you is not okay.
There are many children born via rape that are just as good as the rest of us. Also, if the baby is likely to die of disease, why not give it a chance instead of just killing it. It's like saying "I'll probably fail my math test so I won't take it."
Parvimperia
What if the mother has a high chance of dying?
Parvimperia
You still can't kill a baby. If you could die from pregnancy, you'd know, and you'd make sure you could not get pregnant using birth control pills, hormonal stuff, etc.
Greetings! Welcome to Libertatem, United Nations of the far Weast! You'll have to excuse this little abortion debate going on; our region can be quite political at times.
Um no, if it's a serious risk to your health and you probably won't survive childbirth, should it still be illegal? (Keep in mind if the mother dies, the baby often does too)
Abortion = murder and murder is illegal so all abortion should be illegal.
Las-Vegas
Like someone else said, that's pretty black and white. IRL things are usually a but more grey than that, with multiple shades of grey, in fact. Possibly up to fifty (sorry couldn't help myself).
I disagree, but we won't change each others' minds. Although at the same time I'm not so sure where I stand.
Hello everyone. I notice that this region does not have WA delegate. I would like to be one. Please endorse me. Thank you.
What must I do to be a WA delegate in here?
Ummmmmmmmm, how about no.
Parvimperia
bye.
Bye! Have fun annoying other regions asking to be a delegate!
Rateria, Parvimperia
Well I think it all comes down to is it ever okay to purposely kill an innocent life
Las-Vegas
It's not that simple
New Jaslandia, Rateria, Las-Vegas
Murder is a legal term, if the state doesn't see fetuses as human than how can it be murder?
The state should see them as humans.
Even if they aren't considered alive, they will become alive, so keeping that from happening is essentially murder anyways.
I have puppets in a crapton of regions and I swear this anddd guy has been to every single region in the game. I'm seeing him everywhere.
Rateria, Las-Vegas
While libertarianism lags behind in England, the Scottish Libertarian Party (SLP) is actually getting a fair bit of attention. I wonder how they will fair in the future.
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/pro-indy-scottish-libertarian-party-names-first-holyrood-election-candidates.14118
Ikr me too
Rateria
But I literally swear he's following me. He's been to like 25 regions and 2 or 3 of them were really small and specific regions I had puppets in.
Rateria, Las-Vegas
1st most pro-market region in the world.
Congrats, guys
The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas, Ancapville
Libertatem is the least corrupt region in the world!
San Andrias, Rateria, Parvimperia, Las-Vegas
I think the system right now is a little glitched, considering it's ranking us out of only 2 other regions.
The New United States, Rateria, Parvimperia
Murder is defined legally but the actual word is separate. As in there is a Legal definition of murder and there is a linguistic definition. So it could fit under one and not the other. But I understand the point you were making
Now that you mention it, it doesn't seem very likely that we'd be top three in every category.
Brie Larson is a slut.
Well there goes our trophies...
Jeez, and I thought NS++ was broken enough before this update.
Darn Firefox, making NS++ broken. Worked fine on Chrome...
San Andrias
Shhhhhhhh we are the best and you know it.
The New United States, Rateria, Teuberland, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots
Hey chill out there, Room was a good movie and J-Law still has her beauty and her Oscars :)
I just had a thorough discussion of libertarianism with my history teacher. He's an Obama voter but I think he actually learned something from the discussion.
San Andrias, Rateria, Parvimperia, Las-Vegas
You know it's sad when you have to teach your history teacher...
Miencraft, San Andrias, Rateria
Well, that came out of nowhere.
*looks at nation name* Oh, right.
Post self-deleted by Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia.
Nobody teaching anyone anything here. A discussion is an exchange of thoughts. I'm libertarian myself but I'm not so sniffy to think I'm "teaching" others when arguing with them.
Parvimperia
Did you read what I quoted? It said "I just had a thorough discussion of libertarianism with my history teacher. He's an Obama voter but I think he actually learned something from the discussion."
New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia
Besides, if you never learn anything from any discussions, what's the point of having them?
Miencraft, Quarantinia, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Parvimperia
Is the nation in REATO about to CTE on purpose?
San Andrias, Las-Vegas
Uh-oh
Actually, it either has automatic login or is on vacation mode. If vacation mode, it still has nine days to go.
Fair enough.
Teuberland, Las-Vegas
Bottom 99% of the world and bottom 93% of Libertatem in the compliance category!
Off the cops,
Fire to the prisons,
a-n-a-r-c-h-ism
Teuberland, Las-Vegas
'Taaateeemmm!!!
Rateria, Las-Vegas
I don't control the region anymore..
Do you know the password?
I just had someone in my issues named Falala Singh. Can't tell if that's intentional or not...
New Jaslandia
We can't let TRF refound REATO. I'd be happy to control it if that's needed.
Las-Vegas
Ummm, isn't the CL not part of REATO?
We pulled out about a month ago.
Why?
We had a vote, and that was that.
Las-Vegas
Pev you better not be behind the UK tory students initiative to build a giant iron statue of Thatcher :p
The New United States, San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Las-Vegas
Ah, I have heard of this thatchue (not my own joke, sadly).
Rateria, Las-Vegas
I can control the region independently. All I'd do would be to log in every once in a while to prevent the region from CTEing.
I suppose now that UK Tories want a massive statue of Thatcher, it's only a matter of time before American Republicans want a giant golden statue of Reagan. I imagine Cruz and Rubio will be talking all about it tomorrow morning. Well, assuming they're still in the race by then, and haven't dropped out due to being crushed by Trump.
No offence intended by this at all, but I believe the region should be controlled by someone from a region that's a member of REATO. However, if that were for some reason impossible, it should be with one of our closest allies, like the CL. But I'm sure there's someone from 'tatem who can do it.
What's happening with the thatchue? I haven't heard about it until now. And yes, we should totally get a huge, golden Reagan statue... hmm, maybe in front of the White House? Or the Capitol building? Or at the U.S. embassy in Moscow? Or put his face on Mt. Rushmore... or we could just put him on the $500 bill, which would exist solely to have money with Reagan on it.
Rateria
We've actually had several versions of the $500 bills before, with the most recent having the face of William McKinley.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_denominations_of_United_States_currency#High_denomination_United_States_banknotes
However, more to your point, a Reagan statute in front of the US Embassy would be... interesting, to say the least. Though, I imagine Putin would reciprocate by putting a giant statue of himself in front of the Russian embassy in Moscow.
Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Las-Vegas
In his statue, do you think he would be depicted shirtless while riding on a horse?
Rateria
Of course not! It won't be a horse; it'll be a bear!
Rateria, Las-Vegas
There's no reason for either Cruz or Rubio to drop out, despite Trump's wins. It's entirely possible, perhaps probable, that Trump won't win a majority of delegates - in which case, he probably would not be chosen as the nominee.
San Andrias, New Jaslandia
It should be an eagle.
If Rubio and Cruz can prevent Trump from getting a majority, then yes, I think there will be a brokered convention and Rubio will be nominated. Of course, something like hasn't happened in years, and to many, it would seem so undemocratic that it could doom the entire party. Of course, the alternative is to let a massively unpopular candidate like Trump to get the nomination. It's a lose-lose situation for the Republicans.
Interesting idea. Definitely would be a big middle finger to the US.
The New United States, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, Teuberland
We should have Reagan riding a nuke, flipping off the USSR.
The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia, Teuberland
Be kinda ironic, since Reagan was responsible for a couple of nuclear disarmament treaties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/START_I (yes, I know Bush I signed it, but Reagan proposed the idea and got the ball rolling).
The New United States, Rateria
It's the image of Reagan on a nuke with his middle finger high up in the air that matters :D
New Jaslandia, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, Parvimperia
Can't argue with that logic.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, Parvimperia, Las-Vegas
Guys, I have just... abolished the government. 'There is no government in the normal sense of the word' says description of my nation. I didn't think it's possible :o
Quarantinia, New Jaslandia, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Las-Vegas
That's awesome! I'm trying to get that done in my nation. How did you go about doing that?
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, pro-business, outspoken individuals keep a keen eye out for any attempt to organize such a thing, and ruthlessly crush it. Income tax is unheard of.
Beautiful
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria
Most ofthe government expenditure vanished kind of naturally because I was always choosing options associating with not spending taxpayers' money. Then I got rid of military by "stripping the national defense budget" and removed law & defense by firstly introducing a capital punishment and legalizing lynches a few days later. However, I have to admit I haven't expected that it'll end up with removing the government altoghether, I just did it for fun.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Las-Vegas
Who would you vote for Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders ?
Because I pretty much know it is going to be those two
No, I'm positive trump will be the Nominee...
Not a chance Bernie will be the nominee. Clinton will win it and the presidency unfortunately.
I'd vote for Bernie Sanders. Because honestly, Congress would be way less likely to work with him and get his agenda through, while he may be able to decriminalize pot at most. Can't say anything about foreign policy, both seem to want to spew isolationist rhetoric while at the same time continue bombing the Middle East.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Ancapville
Although in reality I'll be voting for Gary Johnson, as I do not need a false dilemma to hold me back from voting who I really want in.
San Andrias, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Rateria
This seems most likely. The Establishment wants an Establishment candidate.
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Apparently, increasing freedom of speech decreases civil rights, according to the outcome of this one Nationstates issue I got.
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