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Backtothereichfuture wrote:

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::von Arian Reich::

(Chapter.I)

Quotes on me:

"You're a troublemaker!" ~ Verborgenen Herrn

"You're immature!" ~ Felix Alfarth

"You're a secret weapon sent by the enemy to destroy us!" ~ Captain Woodhouse

These 3 wonderful specimens exhibited hightened senses, as they had foreseen my fast, V-rocketed Waffen SS career back when I was still a civilian with zero military experience. I can only thank them for their continued support of my ongoing service to the Reich and National Socialism. Despite my immaturity I managed to counterattack Felix's February Plot, conquer the Reichstag back from Slavia invaders and their many communist allies from many enemy regions, without ever compromising the Greater German Reich's integrity or reputation, as they all have at one point or another. All of this after having been banned from the game for well over a month for a reason no one but the nameless, faceless Ghosts seem to know. I've sacrificed almost everything for this region, my true home, and despite their assaults and hatred of my presence in the Reich, I grew even more resiliant in My Struggle.

They all tried to cut me down like a ranger mercilessly axes down a young cherry tree. Despite their multiple strikes, despite their vast game experience, they could not break my Iron Will and Fiery Heart. I was saved and sheltered by National Socializtiche, a true Herr and noble Hero in whose shadow any of them would be too lucky to even stand beneath.

Along with Jekrehnot, my faithful Waffen SS kamerad, we fought against the liberals of NationStates for over a year, despite their blind, fanatic obsession with us, and censoring the truth we spoke and fought for.

This is the Final Struggle, This is the Last Resolution ... This is ~::Mein Kampf::~ !!

The Great Civil War that began December 4th 2012, when I was recruited by Our Great Fuhrerin, saw me as one of the first targets of the vicious scum infiltrated deep in our ranks. Those traitors would later reveal themselves to be part of the February Plot, enemy rebels who staged a failed coup against our region. As National Socializtiche fought bravely as ReichsMarschall, defending our borders and regional safety as the Longest Serving WADelegate, repelling waves of invasions and raids from the enemy scum, I overcame internal difficulties and calmed the streets of the Reich, while marxist rabble'rousers sought to terrorize our Volk, and incite dozens of rebelions against Our Fuhrerin.

With great pride I shall give my life in service of ::the Greater German Reich::, my homeland defended by AH himself, Chosen as the Great Bastion to stand against the Red Tide of Marxist Warmongers. The Final Barrier between the Reich of a Thousand Years, and the chaos that stands to devour this world from inside, until there is no shred of Light & Justice left in this Gott Forsaken world.

My only regret is that in my death, the memory of Legendary SS Heroes of National Socialism, like Jekrehnot and National Socializtiche will be lost to time, drowning our region in a darkness so heavy only our Fuhrerin's whip can lash through. Raining down bright slashes of pain over our dishonorable enemies.

Many former allies began to turn against us, betraying us one by one, as the Internationalist Shadow of Zion took over their hearts and minds through devious propaganda. Only ::NAZI EUROPE:: remained true kamerads to our Movement, and in their most solemn hour, we should rise with all our forces and defend them from the constant siege they are subjected to, by the Marxist swine who plots even now, to destroy our last great ally in this war of Weltanschauung.

With our remaining forces we will lead this Operation Zitadelle, to fortify and defend the National Socialist bastion that is ::NAZI EUROPE::, and must sacrifice all we can to end the senseless butchering of their fine, proud region! They are our main priority in Foreign Diplomacy, and our strongest ally so far. If we protect them, we defeat the Enemy. Each month we keep their region alive, by joining Shadow Legion's defensive forces, is a slap to the Red cheeks of our petulant enemies.

I will not idly stand by as our kamerads struggle for their very survival, for their home and the Great Name of ::NAZI EUROPE::, the Europe of a New Aryan Order, is threatened while we gently roleplay, solve issues, or engage in other senseless gaming interactions for shallow entertainment. If you are not part of the WA, please join it, with a puppet nation freshly created, so you don't destroy your main nation with WA abusive internationalist laws. Register for ::NAZI EUROPE::'s Defense Korps, and show our foes we can unite and save that besieged region from mindless land hawks, oil barons and fat bankers, who have tried in vain to conquer it only to retreat in desperation and humiliation to their bf's.

If you are a National Socialist, now is your best and final chance to prove it! Copy this speech, save it in your Factbook to make it visible to all players who are viewing Dispatches! Post it on the RMB of every good region you know! Post it in the forums, send it by TG to your friends, do Anything And Everything you MUST to end the Security Council's Cruel Tyranny against our Player Created Regions, and their CRIMINAL Liberation Resolutions.

Now is the time to act, or forever fall to the shadows of failure! Do it for every friend of yours who was DEAT'ed with no given reason, or DOS//ASSASSINATED by a nameless shadowy stranger, a hitman who gave you or them no explanation, no final words, no justification, just a bullet through the back of the head and a post mortem sentence. The Liberation of the NationStates World from "Security Council"=Socialist Communist Mafia Starts Now! SAVE NAZI EUROPE!!

FREE PLAYERS OF THE NATION STATES WORLD, UNITE!!

SAVE NAZI EUROPE!

SAVE NAZI EUROPE!!

SAVE NAZI EUROPE!!!

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Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des The Greater German Reich Leather-clad Germany, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen

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SIEG HEIL!!

And your point is?

Backtothereichfuture wrote:

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::von Arian Reich::

(Chapter.I)

Quotes on me:

"You're a troublemaker!" ~ Verborgenen Herrn

"You're immature!" ~ Felix Alfarth

"You're a secret weapon sent by the enemy to destroy us!" ~ Captain Woodhouse

These 3 wonderful specimens exhibited hightened senses, as they had foreseen my fast, V-rocketed Waffen SS career back when I was still a civilian with zero military experience. I can only thank them for their continued support of my ongoing service to the Reich and National Socialism. Despite my immaturity I managed to counterattack Felix's February Plot, conquer the Reichstag back from Slavia invaders and their many communist allies from many enemy regions, without ever compromising the Greater German Reich's integrity or reputation, as they all have at one point or another. All of this after having been banned from the game for well over a month for a reason no one but the nameless, faceless Ghosts seem to know. I've sacrificed almost everything for this region, my true home, and despite their assaults and hatred of my presence in the Reich, I grew even more resiliant in My Struggle.

They all tried to cut me down like a ranger mercilessly axes down a young cherry tree. Despite their multiple strikes, despite their vast game experience, they could not break my Iron Will and Fiery Heart. I was saved and sheltered by National Socializtiche, a true Herr and noble Hero in whose shadow any of them would be too lucky to even stand beneath.

Along with Jekrehnot, my faithful Waffen SS kamerad, we fought against the liberals of NationStates for over a year, despite their blind, fanatic obsession with us, and censoring the truth we spoke and fought for.

This is the Final Struggle, This is the Last Resolution ... This is ~::Mein Kampf::~ !!

The Great Civil War that began December 4th 2012, when I was recruited by Our Great Fuhrerin, saw me as one of the first targets of the vicious scum infiltrated deep in our ranks. Those traitors would later reveal themselves to be part of the February Plot, enemy rebels who staged a failed coup against our region. As National Socializtiche fought bravely as ReichsMarschall, defending our borders and regional safety as the Longest Serving WADelegate, repelling waves of invasions and raids from the enemy scum, I overcame internal difficulties and calmed the streets of the Reich, while marxist rabble'rousers sought to terrorize our Volk, and incite dozens of rebelions against Our Fuhrerin.

With great pride I shall give my life in service of ::the Greater German Reich::, my homeland defended by AH himself, Chosen as the Great Bastion to stand against the Red Tide of Marxist Warmongers. The Final Barrier between the Reich of a Thousand Years, and the chaos that stands to devour this world from inside, until there is no shred of Light & Justice left in this Gott Forsaken world.

My only regret is that in my death, the memory of Legendary SS Heroes of National Socialism, like Jekrehnot and National Socializtiche will be lost to time, drowning our region in a darkness so heavy only our Fuhrerin's whip can lash through. Raining down bright slashes of pain over our dishonorable enemies.

Many former allies began to turn against us, betraying us one by one, as the Internationalist Shadow of Zion took over their hearts and minds through devious propaganda. Only ::NAZI EUROPE:: remained true kamerads to our Movement, and in their most solemn hour, we should rise with all our forces and defend them from the constant siege they are subjected to, by the Marxist swine who plots even now, to destroy our last great ally in this war of Weltanschauung.

With our remaining forces we will lead this Operation Zitadelle, to fortify and defend the National Socialist bastion that is ::NAZI EUROPE::, and must sacrifice all we can to end the senseless butchering of their fine, proud region! They are our main priority in Foreign Diplomacy, and our strongest ally so far. If we protect them, we defeat the Enemy. Each month we keep their region alive, by joining Shadow Legion's defensive forces, is a slap to the Red cheeks of our petulant enemies.

I will not idly stand by as our kamerads struggle for their very survival, for their home and the Great Name of ::NAZI EUROPE::, the Europe of a New Aryan Order, is threatened while we gently roleplay, solve issues, or engage in other senseless gaming interactions for shallow entertainment. If you are not part of the WA, please join it, with a puppet nation freshly created, so you don't destroy your main nation with WA abusive internationalist laws. Register for ::NAZI EUROPE::'s Defense Korps, and show our foes we can unite and save that besieged region from mindless land hawks, oil barons and fat bankers, who have tried in vain to conquer it only to retreat in desperation and humiliation to their bf's.

If you are a National Socialist, now is your best and final chance to prove it! Copy this speech, save it in your Factbook to make it visible to all players who are viewing Dispatches! Post it on the RMB of every good region you know! Post it in the forums, send it by TG to your friends, do Anything And Everything you MUST to end the Security Council's Cruel Tyranny against our Player Created Regions, and their CRIMINAL Liberation Resolutions.

Now is the time to act, or forever fall to the shadows of failure! Do it for every friend of yours who was DEAT'ed with no given reason, or DOS//ASSASSINATED by a nameless shadowy stranger, a hitman who gave you or them no explanation, no final words, no justification, just a bullet through the back of the head and a post mortem sentence. The Liberation of the NationStates World from "Security Council"=Socialist Communist Mafia Starts Now! SAVE NAZI EUROPE!!

FREE PLAYERS OF THE NATION STATES WORLD, UNITE!!

SAVE NAZI EUROPE!

SAVE NAZI EUROPE!!

SAVE NAZI EUROPE!!!

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Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des The Greater German Reich Leather-clad Germany, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen

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SIEG HEIL!!

KINDLY GO SUCK A DICK, SIR.

Red Tide of Marxist Warmongers? Please leave......

This is getting out of mein kampfort zone.

Quoting his entire message doesn't help, guys. It just clutters the RMB, even more.

The Liberty Front wrote:I regret to say, I will not be running for re-election.

I'm sad to see you go.

Here's a thought. Once a term, the Delegate gives an RMB State of the Region address. I of course get the idea for this after watching the SOTU. I think it's a good idea, your thoughts?

Humpheria wrote:I'm sad to see you go.

Here's a thought. Once a term, the Delegate gives an RMB State of the Region address. I of course get the idea for this after watching the SOTU. I think it's a good idea, your thoughts?

I think that the SOTU was bull.

Hey anyone here up? I have info a communist region around 30+ nations founder Inactive for 5 days WAD has only 4 endorsements and is relatively new- (18 days in office)

They're about to start recruiting soon so it would be best to take them down early assume?

So yea TG me if you want that info as I don't want to leave it on a public RMB. (Heads back to the islands)

Or we could....maybe...Leave communist regions alone?

Libertatem remains a part of REATO I assume? The alliance also fights communism if this has changed since I've last heard then I may attempt to initiate more tolerant policies in the islands.

I've sent you a TG, UFA.

The Time Alliance wrote:Or we could....maybe...Leave communist regions alone?

Libertatem was actually founded on the basis of the War on Communism. I will continue to fight them, even beyond my Presidency.

Humpheria wrote:I'm sad to see you go.

Here's a thought. Once a term, the Delegate gives an RMB State of the Region address. I of course get the idea for this after watching the SOTU. I think it's a good idea, your thoughts?

Once every Presidential term, yes?

I would like to announce my candidacy for 1st chair.

Mallaska wrote:This is getting out of mein kampfort zone.

haha

It is RLP policy to support all incumbents with the party. Nevertheless, I encourage as many of you to run as you can.

Pevvania wrote:Once every Presidential term, yes?

If you are so inclined. Just an idea.

Okay everybody I'm sorry I have been absent for a while now. My home internet router, well… broke. I had to wait a while and buy a new one. Longest few days of my life without the internet. So there is an election now? What is this business aboot.

And Remember the New Factbook of the Democratic-Republican Party is out. You can see it here.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_time_alliance/detail=factbook/id=205180

It is open for anyone to join.

The Time Alliance wrote:And Remember the New Factbook of the Democratic-Republican Party is out. You can see it here.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_time_alliance/detail=factbook/id=205180

It is open for anyone to join.

Are you going to run?

Pevvania wrote:Are you going to run?

For seat 2 of the board?

The Time Alliance wrote:For seat 2 of the board?

If that's what you want.

Message delivered see ya people and have chill day.

Pevvania wrote:If that's what you want.

Sure I can run.

The Time Alliance wrote:Sure I can run.

You know, it's dangerous to run against me, so you might want to make sure before I have to *pops neck* rough you up. And why did you recommend seat two, Pev?

Could someone assemble a list of candidates as of right now? Would be helpful.

My apologies, read it wrong, he recommended it, Pev is of no fault for the imminent destruction that will soon ensue.

Candidates for what election guys?

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Candidates for what election guys?

Board elections have been made monthly now.

Let me take this opportunity to announce that LIBERTATEM NEEDS YOU to join operation south woods. Its gonna be EEXXTTTREEEMMMEE yyeea! Filled with EXPLOSIONS! ATVS SKYDIVING JET SKIS AND EXPLOSIONS! ExTReME EXPLOSIONS! BOOOM!*

*none of this is guaranteed. please drink responsibly.

Humpheria wrote:You know, it's dangerous to run against me, so you might want to make sure before I have to *pops neck* rough you up. And why did you recommend seat two, Pev?

Ah I always like a challenge. If you're a challenge at all, that is.

The Time Alliance wrote:Ah I always like a challenge. If you're a challenge at all, that is.

I assure you you won't be disappointed.

Humpheria wrote:I assure you you won't be disappointed.

Then may the best man/women win.

Elections have now Commenced!

Seat One: [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] RLP

Seat Two: [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] RLP vs. [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation] DRP

Seat Three: [nation=short]Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes[/nation] RLP

Seat Four: [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] LOP

Seat Five: [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] LOP

The only contested seat is the second seat. If I missed anything, please let me know. Send your votes to [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]. Good luck all those in the running.

VOTE HUMPHERIA FOR SEAT TWO!!!

Why should you vote for Humpheria?

Experience

I have served as Board Chairman for two terms. I have fulfilled the description of both of my responsibilities to the letter. And I have made mistakes, which is the best teacher, I know what works.

Integrity

I have never been a closed book. When asked a question I answer truthfully and honestly, for those that remember, I didn't try to cover up or spin anything in the course of my little "mistake". An all-around good guy.

Patriotism

I am a Libertaten through and through. I help in the war on Communism whenever I can, and would gladly lay down my existence for this region. Libertatem is my home and I would do anything to serve her in the best way I can.

Conservative Minded

Ronald Reagan is my hero. I believe in fiscal responsibility and holding our elected officials accountable for what they do in office. I identify with Libertarians and fully support and agree with the RLP.

The Best Choice for Libertatem

I have proved countless times that I am the right and best choice for the second seat of the Board. My esteemed opponent is an upstanding citizen and a good person, but I just don't think he is a good choice for this position. Regardless of my opinion, either way, you can't go wrong. With people like this running, I know Libertatem's future is bright.

So, join me as we ride into the horizon of Libertatem, ride into a better future. Vote Humpheria for the Second Seat of the Board.

Humpheria wrote:Elections have now Commenced!

Seat Four: [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] ACOP

Fixed it.

For those who don't see what I did there: it said LOP, so I fixed it.

My apologies, I was under the impression that you said LOP, not ACOP. My mistake.

It happens.

*muttering under breath*but if it happens again why i'll...*

*cough*

Anyone want some pie?

Miencraft wrote:It happens.

*muttering under breath*but if it happens again why i'll...*

*cough*

Anyone want some pie?

I'm watching you buddy.

Post self-deleted by The Time Alliance.

Vote Time Alliance for Seat 2

"Not right, not left, but forward"

Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen. Democrats, Republicans, libertarians, Fascists, Communists and whatever other government you may support. My name is The Red Star Nations of The Time Alliance. I am the current head of the The Democratic-Republican Party and I am here to tell why exactly you should vote for me.

-I represent the Centrists. I support good policies from both wings and I believe that both wings have some good in them.

-I believe in Direct Democracy and that the Government should stay out of issues that do not effect the Economy, Law or Foreign Policy.

-I believe in Social equality of all humans, regardless of Sex, Religion, Race, Social standings, monetary means and sexual orientation.

-I believe in Isolationism and wish to end this foolish war against 'Communism' and wish to direct it towards a "War on Stalinism."

-I believe that the Government should be held responsible for anything that may occur.

In addition to these beliefs I would like to describe myself with three-terms.

-Tolerant

-Open-Minded

and of course

-Hard-Working

I already can tell this is an Up-hill battle and frankly I don't even expect to win. This is just me speaking my mind and wanting to make a change. To get our current Government out of the Right-Wing rut it has placed itself into and giving it a touch of something new. Something called: Centrism. I hope you can see the light in the center and just remember. We don't need to go Right or Left. We just need to go Forward.

After reading both of those I can tell Seat 2 is going to be pretty interesting.

Two honorable opponents face off. It's a pity I've already made up my mind; it would be simply amazing to see what these two nations could do together rather than separately.

My opponent has pointed out that he wishes to pull Libertatem out of it's right-wing rut. What rut is he talking about? The rut that that has produced one of the most robust libertarian regions in NationStates. We have prospered in this rut, made it our rut, a strong rut. And to fight to pull this entire region out of such a nice rut would be preposterous. This rut that we call our home, the rut where we have made so many freedom pastries, deserves to be improved not destroyed and started from scratch. Another thing about this rut, it is where we started our revered War on Communism, the fight that this region was built on. It would be detrimental to our society to throw out our most sacred principle. And I for one, will not vote for someone who wishes to shame our history in such a way. Will you?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Two honorable opponents face off. It's a pity I've already made up my mind; it would be simply amazing to see what these two nations could do together rather than separately.

Thank you for these kind words, I agree fully.

Now you're just assuming I voted for you :3

(I did.)

It's quiet around here... too quiet.

Humpheria wrote:It's quiet around here... too quiet.

Yes it is.

Humpheria wrote:My opponent has pointed out that he wishes to pull Libertatem out of it's right-wing rut. What rut is he talking about? The rut that that has produced one of the most robust libertarian regions in NationStates. We have prospered in this rut, made it our rut, a strong rut. And to fight to pull this entire region out of such a nice rut would be preposterous. This rut that we call our home, the rut where we have made so many freedom pastries, deserves to be improved not destroyed and started from scratch. Another thing about this rut, it is where we started our revered War on Communism, the fight that this region was built on. It would be detrimental to our society to throw out our most sacred principle. And I for one, will not vote for someone who wishes to shame our history in such a way. Will you?

I agree. A region dies when its principles die.

Hakaro wrote:I agree. A region dies when its principles die.

Region's may die when it loses it's principles. I am not here to change these original principles. I am here to expand upon these principles and turn this region into a region where all are excepted. A region that doesn't target all based on a few (Reference to attacking all Communist regions even though Marxism, Leninism, and Trotskyism? are not bad). We can change while we hold on to principles. Having a more Centrist member of the board is new and a change, but does it truly defile the principles of the region? No.

We are a region of storied tradition and strong conservative values, and we should be very proud of that. We should also be proud of our great strides towards libertarianism and our defiance of tyrants NationStates-wide.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:We are a region of storied tradition and strong conservative values, and we should be very proud of that. We should also be proud of our great strides towards libertarianism and our defiance of tyrants NationStates-wide.

I agree with that too.

The Time Alliance wrote:Region's may die when it loses it's principles. I am not here to change these original principles. I am here to expand upon these principles and turn this region into a region where all are excepted. A region that doesn't target all based on a few (Reference to attacking all Communist regions even though Marxism, Leninism, and Trotskyism? are not bad). We can change while we hold on to principles. Having a more Centrist member of the board is new and a change, but does it truly defile the principles of the region? No.

This is an environment where all are accepted. The region itself is not what must change; the conservative values are precisely what ensures its prosperity. No, what must change are our hearts; we must be more tolerant of libertarians, right or left, and more accepting of those who keep to the center. If we are to harden our hearts to anyone, if we are to cast any out, let it be the enemy - the totalitarians that seek to bend NationStates to their will.

That is why the Anti-Corporatist Party is here; we can only hope to influence the region, but it is within our power to modify the environment.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:If we are to harden our hearts to anyone, if we are to cast any out, let it be the enemy - the totalitarians that seek to bend NationStates to their will.

And if you are targeting the wrong bad guy?

The Time Alliance wrote:And if you are targeting the wrong bad guy?

Doubtful.

Our War on Communism began as a blanket defiance of the left, to be sure, but it isn't that way now. Just look to some folks across the left-right line - Ucr is a region dedicated to true communism, but they are our allies! Our war is now more a war against fascism, Nazism, state socialism, and all forms of tyranny and terror. We have learned we have enemies on the right and friends on the left, so don't speak as though we haven't.

The Time Alliance wrote:And if you are targeting the wrong bad guy?

Are you aware of what region you are in? You're trying to preach fiscal responsibility to President Obama.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:

state socialism

When you say state Socialism?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Doubtful.

Our War on Communism began as a blanket defiance of the left, to be sure, but it isn't that way now. Just look to some folks across the left-right line - Ucr is a region dedicated to true communism, but they are our allies! Our war is now more a war against fascism, Nazism, state socialism, and all forms of tyranny and terror. We have learned we have enemies on the right and friends on the left, so don't speak as though we haven't.

Incredible points

Humpheria wrote:Are you aware of what region you are in? You're trying to preach fiscal responsibility to President Obama.

This sentence made my day.....

The Time Alliance wrote:When you say state Socialism?

Think USSR, Cuba, or to a degree North Korea. Basically failed and evil form of communism.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Think USSR, Cuba, or to a degree North Korea. Basically failed and evil form of communism.

Okay. Then. That's good. But if your not targeting all Communism...Why call it "The War on Communism"? Why not "The War on Tyranny"

The name is irrelevant, it is the message and outcome that matters/

The Time Alliance wrote:Okay. Then. That's good. But if your not targeting all Communism...Why call it "The War on Communism"? Why not "The War on Tyranny"

Because these communists were our first enemy, and remain our most dangerous adversary.

Humpheria wrote:The name is irrelevant, it is the message and outcome that matters/

Fair enough.....

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Because these communists were our first enemy, and remain our most dangerous adversary.

Ditto.

Currently, the invasions does not just happen when you change the delegates. Invasions also occur when nations of enemy regions infiltrate spy's to corrupt the ideal of others regions.

The Libertatem exists to end with the dictatorship. We have friends on the democratic left and enemies on the dictatorial right, but that does not mean we become a communist region, our flag represents the anti-communism.

This just means respect, what our enemies not have.

Anyways to get off the Topic...... for a moment(This isn't over)...Who saw the State of the Union address?

The Time Alliance wrote:Anyways to get off the Topic...... for a moment(This isn't over)...Who saw the State of the Union address?

Worst hour of my life.

Humpheria wrote:Worst hour of my life.

I believe this person said it best...

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2443961/Socialist-Seattle-councilmember-Kshama-Sawant-responds-to-State-of-the-Union

The Time Alliance wrote:I believe this person said it best...

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2443961/Socialist-Seattle-councilmember-Kshama-Sawant-responds-to-State-of-the-Union

Well put, though, while some people may find the political views of the commentator to support the claim detrimental to said claim. It portrays the argument in a negative light. Sub-par rhetoric is a pet peeve of mine.

"Since prisons were banned, The Time Alliance's crime rate has skyrocketed and calls have been made for the creation of a new prison system."

De frick did this happen?

Phew, I have been away a while X) But, nothing going on RPwise in the CoG today so I figured I'd post here :3

Minarchists and Libertarians,

What is your ideal tax rate and, with this in mind, how do you fund the military of your nation to protect it against other nation's greed? Especially a world leading military or one that could enforce "power projection" as does the current United States.

(Similarly, anarchists, in a hypothetical situation where a single nation were to descend/ascend - depending on your point of view - into anarchy, how do you propose citizens organize themselves effectively into militias (much less a fully fledged army) that could stand up to an invasion? Also, how do the citizens of this territory-no-longer-occupied-by-a-nation represent themselves internationally?)

Pax Osca wrote:Phew, I have been away a while X) But, nothing going on RPwise in the CoG today so I figured I'd post here :3

Minarchists and Libertarians,

What is your ideal tax rate and, with this in mind, how do you fund the military of your nation to protect it against other nation's greed? Especially a world leading military or one that could enforce "power projection" as does the current United States.

(Similarly, anarchists, in a hypothetical situation where a single nation were to descend/ascend - depending on your point of view - into anarchy, how do you propose citizens organize themselves effectively into militias (much less a fully fledged army) that could stand up to an invasion? Also, how do the citizens of this territory-no-longer-occupied-by-a-nation represent themselves internationally?)

Roads, the armed forces and other public services were all provided for by the government long before the income tax came into force in the United States. Between 1907 and 1909, Teddy Roosevelt showed off the strongest navy in the world to the other nations - completely unfunded by any income tax.

I hear many libertarians yearn for the abolition of the income tax in favour of a national sales tax. The problem I have with this idea is that sales taxes and the like are regressive, despite promises for working class exemptions. I haven't worked out the math for this (although my budget plan left a $1.8 trillion surplus http://www.kowaldesign.com/budget/resu34.html), but I'd like to see all capital gains and excise taxes removed in favour of a fixed 10% income tax above the $80,000 threshold.

At the end of the day I'd prefer no income tax, but then revenue would have to be accumulated regressively.

The fact is, I would love to have no taxes, but it seems impossible. I cannot fathom the government collecting revenue without the collection of some taxes. So I would like to see serious tax reductions and spending cuts. In a perfect world there would be no taxation, no wars, and no Clintons.

Humpheria wrote:The fact is, I would love to have no taxes, but it seems impossible. I cannot fathom the government collecting revenue without the collection of some taxes. So I would like to see serious tax reductions and spending cuts. In a perfect world there would be no taxation, no wars, and no Clintons.

It doesn't just seem impossible. It is impossible. Don't get me wrong. I'd love not having taxes, but like you said how would the government get any money to pay for stuff?

Hello, Libertatem. Allow me to introduce myself.

I am Republic of Minerva (RoM), otherwise known as Minarchist States/The Liberated Territories. You may know me from the NSGS (NationStates General Senate. Alternatively, if you are from my home region of Laissez Faireholm, you may or may not be familiar with me.

I currently have sparked an interest in raiding, and I have a few...targets on my mind that I'll only reveal via telegram. You can contact me on TLT, which will be my raider puppet, unless it would be more beneficial to stay here. I might have to revive an older puppet so I can continue chatting with both regions, whatever works.

Otherwise, before we start, I shall answer a question for a question.

1.) Do you believe that raiding is consistent with the NAP? Or justified if it isn't?

2.) To answer the question above, I would prefer if the income tax were abolished, or replaced with a fair tax. I'd entertain abolishing the sales/or Vat (since it is regressive) for basics to relieve the poor of burden for essential goods.

The Time Alliance wrote:It doesn't just seem impossible. It is impossible. Don't get me wrong. I'd love not having taxes, but like you said how would the government get any money to pay for stuff?

Voluntary charities/legalized gambling

You must also realize that government size is proportional to the amount of funds it needs.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Voluntary charities/legalized gambling

You must also realize that government size is proportional to the amount of funds it needs.

Yeah...Which is why we need to get rid of all those useless programs..

The Time Alliance wrote:Yeah...Which is why we need to get rid of all those useless programs..

Corporate subsidies first. ;)

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Corporate subsidies first. ;)

Yep.

Welcome back, Minerva! I never really knew you, but I understand that you were an important nation in the old days; before my time.

We've got a Board election ongoing at the moment. Cast your vote for the following candidates, and or run for yourself. Right now there's only one active race, for Seat 2. Popular incumbent and Board Chairman Humpheria is running against Democratic-Republican leader The Time Alliance, who is pushing to move away from the War on Communism and towards direct democracy.

Pevvania wrote:We've got a Board election ongoing at the moment. Cast your vote for the following candidates, and or run for yourself. Right now there's only one active race, for Seat 2. Popular incumbent and Board Chairman Humpheria is running against Democratic-Republican leader The Time Alliance, who is pushing to move away from the War on Communism and towards direct democracy.

More of Pushing away from calling it "The War on Communism" to fit better with our war on all Tyranny. Maybe "The War on Tyranny."

The Time Alliance wrote:More of Pushing away from calling it "The War on Communism" to fit better with our war on all Tyranny. Maybe "The War on Tyranny."

It was called the War on Tyranny, for a while, but many of us felt that it was a politically correct attempt to carry favour with our socialist allies in UCR and Juche Union. Although we target all purveyors of totalitarianism, calling it the War on Communism is a matter of tradition.

Pevvania wrote:It was called the War on Tyranny, for a while, but many of us felt that it was a politically correct attempt to carry favour with our socialist allies in UCR and Juche Union. Although we target all purveyors of totalitarianism, calling it the War on Communism is a matter of tradition.

politically Correct....Lets see.

"The War on Non-democratic Regions that are not our allies where the nations and Citizens are mistreated."

-Political Correctness right here

Tradition isn't always the best thing.

The Time Alliance wrote:politically Correct....Lets see.

"The War on Non-democratic Regions that are not our allies where the nations and Citizens are mistreated."

-Political Correctness right here

Tradition isn't always the best thing.

In this case, it has served us well.

Hey guys, who's your favourite comedian? Mine has gotta be Paul Krugman. He just says the darndest things.

Oh tradition... What terrible things have been (and continue to be) committed in your name.

Pevvania wrote:Hey guys, who's your favourite comedian? Mine has gotta be Paul Krugman. He just says the darndest things.

Jim Gaffigan...Brian Reagan

Pevvania wrote:In this case, it has served us well.

As our record shows.

The Time Alliance wrote:It doesn't just seem impossible. It is impossible. Don't get me wrong. I'd love not having taxes, but like you said how would the government get any money to pay for stuff?

There's more than one way to make revenue; why make it compulsory when it can be voluntary?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Corporate subsidies first. ;)

I totally agree. Heck, those need to go even if we're not considering cutting taxes.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:There's more than one way to make revenue; why make it compulsory when it can be voluntary?

What madman would pay taxes by choice to a government that isn't really even giving it back anything in return?

I mean... if the government is giving you universal healthcare then yeah, I'd be happy to voluntarily pay some taxes, but nobody in their right mind would volunteer to pay taxes - that is, unless they intend on getting something in return.

Pax Osca wrote:What madman would pay taxes by choice to a government that isn't really even giving it back anything in return?

I mean... if the government is giving you universal healthcare then yeah, I'd be happy to voluntarily pay some taxes, but nobody in their right mind would volunteer to pay taxes - that is, unless they intend on getting something in return.

No one would pay taxes by choice.

But taxes, like I said, are not the only form of revenue.

The simplest notion by far is for a government to establish a donations service; people could donate however much money they want to, anonymously, to ensure that their government is well-funded. Unfortunately, it seems very few would donate.

An interesting and unorthodox alternative would be the creation of public-owned casinos. Meaning, the government sets up some gambling spots, establishes a house advantage much like any private casino would, and collects the revenue. It would be great legal fun for gamblers and a lucrative yet ethical means of income for a government.

Pevvania wrote:Welcome back, Minerva! I never really knew you, but I understand that you were an important nation in the old days; before my time.

I think you might be thinking of someone else, as I never really got active until recently. I was here for around a month and a half until I CTED.

I also prefer "the war on Tyranny," as I understand the libertarian left might get the wrong idea.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:There's more than one way to make revenue; why make it compulsory when it can be voluntary?

I totally agree. Heck, those need to go even if we're not considering cutting taxes.

Less corporate welfare = less taxes (even if a little bit).

So where do we vote? :p

Pax Osca wrote:What madman would pay taxes by choice to a government that isn't really even giving it back anything in return?

I mean... if the government is giving you universal healthcare then yeah, I'd be happy to voluntarily pay some taxes, but nobody in their right mind would volunteer to pay taxes - that is, unless they intend on getting something in return.

Public recruitment drives can do a world of good. If you knew your money was going towards a good cause, there's much more incentive to be charitable. I despise institutionalised welfare programs like Medicare and Medicaid, but I like the idea of government-funded 'social objectives' being reached through the voluntary payment of income tax.

What would your ideal system of taxation be?

Ron Paul raised the most money out all of the Republican candidates last time. He had a strong goal (raise a ton of money) and a good objective to carry it out.

Imagine that a massive, nation wide scale, for public works projects. That would be ideal in a minarchist state. The government would set goals that benefit the public, and launch nation wide advertising campaigns through the use of politicians. (I pledge to raise the most money for X to be elected...) Or something like that.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:

An interesting and unorthodox alternative would be the creation of public-owned casinos. Meaning, the government sets up some gambling spots, establishes a house advantage much like any private casino would, and collects the revenue. It would be great legal fun for gamblers and a lucrative yet [B]ethical[/B] means of income for a government.

Ethical? The government making money off of people with gambling addictions is an ethical source of revenue?

I'm struggling to understand your logic here...

Pevvania wrote:

What would your ideal system of taxation be?

Not really ascribing to the "taxation is theft" ideas, I really have no problem with a democratically elected government collecting taxes the way pretty much all western style democracies do currently. If you voted them in you should know what they intended to do with your taxes, if you didn't like that party, ya shoulda voted for a different one. Voted for one that didn't get it? Tough. That's how democracy works. NO parties you like? Create your own one to spread your ideas and ideals.

In an ideal world I would make politicians more accountable for lying during election periods/going back on election promises, though. Corruption and lies, I think, is a bigger problem with the current system than taxes in themselves.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ron Paul raised the most money out all of the Republican candidates last time. He had a strong goal (raise a ton of money) and a good objective to carry it out.

Imagine that a massive, nation wide scale, for public works projects. That would be ideal in a minarchist state. The government would set goals that benefit the public, and launch nation wide advertising campaigns through the use of politicians. (I pledge to raise the most money for X to be elected...) Or something like that.

I'll preface with my admission to being largely ignorant to all but the biggest events in American politics, but wasn't Ron Paul massively pro rich and pro business? Anybody promoting that is going to get a sh*tton of cash in corporate America. The wealthy want to protect their interests and have the methods to do it.

In terms of public works projects, what's the incentive to invest in them if they don't benefit you directly or indirectly? Bar patriotism I see little reason for somebody on the East Coast of the US to invest in a medium sized bridge on the West Coast of the US (unless you have individual/corporate sponsorship for public works...? I mean... imagine coca cola and McDonalds plastered across every other bridge/dam/road constructed. Makes me shiver).

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Pax Osca wrote:Ethical? The government making money off of people with gambling addictions is an ethical source of revenue?

I'm struggling to understand your logic here...

What exactly makes taxes ethical in the first place? It's a "legal" form of extortion.

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