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so The Ambassador To The Clfr your rebuttal was very flawed when you say a zygote is the seed of human life but not a human you are incorrect. The Spermatozoa and Ovum are. Also comparing a Zygote to a a Sunflower seed is especially flawed as a human is an animal not a plant.

For a rebuttal to your assertion that a zygote is a parasite I've copied an article by Thomas L. Johnson

"a) A parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in or on an organism of another species (a heterospecific relationship) and deriving its nourishment from the host (is metabolically dependent on the host). (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 7, 1973.)

b) A human embryo or fetus is an organism of one species (Homo sapiens) living in the uterine cavity of an organism of the same species (Homo sapiens) and deriving its nourishment from the mother (is metabolically dependent on the mother). This homospecific relationship is an obligatory dependent relationship, but not a parasitic relationship.

a) A parasite is an invading organism -- coming to parasitize the host from an outside source.

b) A human embryo or fetus is formed from a fertilized egg -- the egg coming from an inside source, being formed in the ovary of the mother from where it moves into the oviduct where it may be fertilized to form the zygote -- the first cell of the new human being.

a) A parasite is generally harmful to some degree to the host that is harboring the parasite.

b) A human embryo or fetus developing in the uterine cavity does not usually cause harm to the mother, although it may if proper nutrition and care is not maintained by the mother.

a) A parasite makes direct contact with the host's tissues, often holding on by either mouth parts, hooks or suckers to the tissues involved (intestinal lining, lungs, connective tissue, etc.).

b) A human embryo or fetus makes direct contact with the uterine lining of the mother for only a short period of time. It soon becomes isolated inside its own amniotic sac, and from that point on makes indirect contact with the mother only by way of the umbilical cord and placenta.

a) When a parasite invades host tissue, the host tissue will sometimes respond by forming a capsule (of connective tissue) to surround the parasite and cut it off from other surrounding tissue (examples would be Paragonimus westermani, lung fluke, or Oncocerca volvulus, a nematode worm causing cutaneous filariasis in the human).

b) When the human embryo or fetus attaches to and invades the lining tissue of the mother's uterus, the lining tissue responds by surrounding the human embryo and does not cut it off from the mother, but rather establishes a means of close contact (the placenta) between the mother and the new human being.

a) When a parasite invades a host, the host will usually respond by forming antibodies in response to the somatic antigens (molecules comprising the body of the parasite) or metabolic antigens (molecules secreted or excreted by the parasite) of the parasite. Parasitism usually involves an immunological response on the part of the host. (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 8.)

b) New evidence, presented by Beer and Billingham in their article, "The Embryo as a Transplant" (Scientific American, April, 1974), indicates that the mother does react to the presence of the embryo by producing humoral antibodies, but they suggest that the trophoblast -- the jacket of cells surrounding the embryo -- blocks the action of these antibodies and therefore the embryo or fetus is not rejected. This reaction is unique to the embryo-mother relationship.

a) A parasite is generally detrimental to the reproductive capacity of the invaded host. The host may be weakened, diseased or killed by the parasite, thus reducing or eliminating the host's capacity to reproduce.

b) A human embryo or fetus is absolutely essential to the reproductive capacity of the involved mother (and species). The mother is usually not weakened, diseased or killed by the presence of the embryo or fetus, but rather is fully tolerant of this offspring which must begin his or her life in this intimate and highly specialized relationship with the mother.

a) A parasite is an organism that, once it invades the definitive host, will usually remain with host for life (as long as it or the host survives).

b) A human embryo or fetus has a temporary association with the mother, remaining only a number of months in the uterus.

A parasite is an organism that associates with the host in a negative, unhealthy and nonessential (nonessential to the host) manner which will often damage the host and detrimentally affect the procreative capacity of the host (and species).

A human embryo or fetus is a human being that associates with the mother in a positive, healthful essential manner necessary for the procreation of the species.

[This data was compiled by Thomas L. Johnson, Professor of Biology, Mary Washington College, Fredericksburg, VA. Professor Johnson teaches Chordate Embryology and Parasitology. This is reprinted, with the author's permission, from the National Right to Life News, April-May, 1974. It also appears in "The Position of Modern Science on the Beginning of Human Life," by Scientists for Life. $1.75 plus postage for two ounces for each copy to: Sun Life, 2399 Cool Springs Road, Thaxton, VA 24174, 540/586-4898.]

Note: When some people claim preborn children are parasites, they mean "parasite" in its pejorative, that is, in its social-ethical sense. Prof. Johnson's article addresses only the biological meaning of "parasite." Libertarians for Life responds to the pejorative sense in other articles. Briefly, as libertarians, we strongly agree that women as well as men have the right to control their own bodies. Nonetheless, we hold that under principles of individual liberty, parents have the obligation to support their dependent children. Our children have a right to our support, whether they are in the crib or in the womb."

The United States Of Patriots wrote:[This data was compiled by Thomas L. Johnson, Professor of Biology, Mary Washington College, Fredericksburg, VA. Professor Johnson teaches Chordate Embryology and Parasitology. This is reprinted, with the author's permission, from the National Right to Life News, April-May, 1974. It also appears in "The Position of Modern Science on the Beginning of Human Life," by Scientists for Life. $1.75 plus postage for two ounces for each copy to: Sun Life, 2399 Cool Springs Road, Thaxton, VA 24174, 540/586-4898.]

Let's see now...

This is reprinted, with the author's permission, from the National Right to Life News.

It also appears in "The Position of Modern Science on the Beginning of Human Life," by Scientists for Life.

When you can come up with some peer reviewed evidence from people that do not have a dog in the fight, get back with us. My guess is that you cannot do so. The majority of scientists do not agree with those unable to check their theological beliefs at the door to the lab.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:Let's see now...

This is reprinted, with the author's permission, from the National Right to Life News.

It also appears in "The Position of Modern Science on the Beginning of Human Life," by Scientists for Life.

When you can come up with some peer reviewed evidence from people that do not have a dog in the fight, get back with us. My guess is that you cannot do so. The majority of scientists do not agree with those unable to check their theological beliefs at the door to the lab.

Again there was no reference to religious beliefs in the article. You keep bringing it up as a blanket shield without rebutting the article

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Again there was no reference to religious beliefs in the article. You keep bringing it up as a blanket shield without rebutting the article

I would note that, despite the Ambassador's incessant and patronizing conflation of being pro-life with being religious, he has been the only person to bring religion into it at all.

Being pro-life does not necessarily have anything to do with religion and, indeed, I was pro-life long before I was religious.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Coumba wrote:when is the map coming along

Soon.

The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:Soon.

You should form a cabinet soon.

The New United States, Rateria

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:

Blastocystosis, Amoebiasis, Plasmodium (Malaria), Liver Fluke, Tapeworm and even cancer cells all have their very own, unique genome. Are you telling me that deliberately killing them is a violation of their right to live?

They, with the exception of some forms of cancer (most simply have altered gene expression and therefore are part of the host) are not of the human species, which I assume is our admittedly arbitrary qualification for natural rights. As for the cancer with unique DNA, the question arises to whether it is now even human. If it is, can its right to life can ethically be enforced when it actively harms and eventually kills its host? The answer to that is no, as the cancer is by default prioritizing its growth over its host's life, an unsentient killer. Removing a malignant tumor is employing the use of force to save one life rather than let both die if we say cancerous tumors with unique DNA are human.

Now, government interference with a woman bearing or aborting a life-threatening pregnancy is a different category. Here I agree that the government should stay out, because if one must die and the fetus is helpless without the mother, it is her own (difficult) decision on whether to sacrifice her life to save a potential child's life.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:

Apparently you've missed the debate over the drug cocktail mifepristone and misoprostol (RU486).

Yes, I am fairly new here. If you don't mind, a synopsis of that discussion would be pretty good. My gut instinct is that use explicitly for the intention of aborton should not be allowed, but access should not be controlled by the state (perhaps by pharmacies?). Quite an easy loophole to any more potential restrictions on abortion, unfortunately.

Minervan Government Expenditures:

11.6 trillion Minervan dollars - Defense (100% of budget). Total spending is 1.4% of GDP. Private Industry makes up 98% of the economy, with government spending only making up 1.4% (Assuming this is the defense spending.)

San Andrias wrote:You should form a cabinet soon.

I'm going to over the weekend. Nobody's in the Discord, nobody's responded to the telegrams.

This is happening without anyone else's input if it needs to.

San Andrias

Miencraft wrote:I'm going to over the weekend. Nobody's in the Discord, nobody's responded to the telegrams.

This is happening without anyone else's input if it needs to.

Already gave my input, without solicitation, and you then responded by saying that there wasn't any worry about forming a cabinet until you get judges in place.

The New United States wrote:Already gave my input, without solicitation, and you then responded by saying that there wasn't any worry about forming a cabinet until you get judges in place.

Well, I mean, that was my aim, I was kinda hoping everyone else would respond to it.

Since nobody has, I'll probably just pick a couple of people to be in charge of recruitment, then once we get more people I'll fill everything else.

Following legislation in Teuberland....

SHEEP ARE PEOPLE.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Post by Biggest Dred suppressed by Miencraft.

Biggest Dred

I find the lack of people worshiping the very ground I walk on here disturbing.

San Andrias

Enough of this Dred nonsense.

San Andrias, New Jaslandia, Rateria

Teuberland wrote:Following legislation in Teuberland....

SHEEP ARE PEOPLE.

FINALLY REVEALED. I KNEW IT.

New Jaslandia, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots

The New United States wrote:I would note that, despite the Ambassador's incessant and patronizing conflation of being pro-life with being religious, he has been the only person to bring religion into it at all.

Being pro-life does not necessarily have anything to do with religion and, indeed, I was pro-life long before I was religious.

Ok, let me square a couple things away here. To tell the truth, I'm not real fond of abortion either. This is especially true when it comes to serial abortions that come down to just another form of birth control. Were someone to die and leave me in charge, I would immediately ban late term abortions under the penalty of some heavy duty jail time measured in decades. The only exception being aborting the child to save the life of the mother from a clear and present medical danger.

My experience flying premature infants from outlying hospitals to neonatal intensive care units will forever cloud my view on late term abortion.

However, all religion aside, the fact is that the majority of scientists out there do not share the views presented in the article copied here by The United States Of Patriots. That information, apparently only running in Pro-life activist publications, is not unbiased nor is it peer reviewed.

The fact remains that unless and until a zygote can be reasonably expected to survive under the current technology and skill level, it does not qualify as human with all the rights and privileges that go with the title. As such the government should have no say in the matter.

Timidity wrote:Yes, I am fairly new here. If you don't mind, a synopsis of that discussion would be pretty good. My gut instinct is that use explicitly for the intention of aborton should not be allowed, but access should not be controlled by the state (perhaps by pharmacies?). Quite an easy loophole to any more potential restrictions on abortion, unfortunately.

I was referring to the national debate over RU486, the abortion pill. It works up to roughly the 10 week line by initiating a menstrual cycle, shedding the womb lining and zygote along with it. Commonly referred to as the "abortion pill," there were numerous efforts to have the RU486 pill nationally banned, restricted to the point of impossible to prescribe, restricted from minors, for use only in a clinic setting, etc, etc, etc.

Reading between the lines, to me it appears the biggest complaint of those objecting to the drug is that it did away with the need to go to an abortion clinic to terminate a pregnancy. It placed the placing the act behind closed doors and out of the reach of protesters, government officials, and other busybodies.

A quick Google search of news sites shows me that other than an FDA tweak in its use, some news out of Australia, and a state level squabble in Arizona (probably as a result of the FDA extending the use window), it has not come up in the news for the last few years. My guess is that battle is over.

Rateria, Plusiocratic Federation Of Monetia

Miencraft wrote:Enough of this Dred nonsense.

HOW DARE YOU GO AGAINST THE WILL OF DRED. SHUN NONBELIEVER!

Hamilton was a dickweed. I dont know why they get so fed up aboot Jackson but not Hamilton

Miencraft, The New United States, San Andrias, New Jaslandia, The Ambassador To The Clfr

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Hamilton was a dickweed. I dont know why they get so fed up aboot Jackson but not Hamilton

Jefferson was the best.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:HOW DARE YOU GO AGAINST THE WILL OF DRED. SHUN NONBELIEVER!

Don't think I won't suppress you, too.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Hamilton was a dickweed. I dont know why they get so fed up aboot Jackson but not Hamilton

I haven't heard a ton about Hamilton, although the idea of an illegitimate child and immigrant rising to the position of Treasurer is appealing.

Jackson deserved to be kicked off though. Firstly there is the Indian Removal Act, which led to the deaths of many southeastern Native Americans through forced relocation. The act in its own time was controversial (http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/government-politics/worcester-v-georgia-1832). "In the majority opinion Marshall wrote that the Indian nations were 'distinct, independent political communities retaining their original natural rights' and that the United States had acknowledged as much in several treaties with the Cherokees."

This controversy aside, another notable blunder of Jackson came before his presidency. During the Seminole Wars, to defeat his Native American foes, he invaded Spanish Florida and in the process also executed two British citizens. The ineptitude of his actions paid off, fortunately, for Sec. of State J.Q. Adams played it to the U.S.'s advantage in calling for Florida's annexation, but his actions were nonetheless gung-ho and risky to an absurd degree.

I wouldn't know what Hamilton has done, but Jackson regardless had it comin'.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:I'm going to over the weekend. Nobody's in the Discord, nobody's responded to the telegrams.

This is happening without anyone else's input if it needs to.

when are the Board elections going to be?

Teuberland wrote:I haven't heard a ton about Hamilton, although the idea of an illegitimate child and immigrant rising to the position of Treasurer is appealing.

Jackson deserved to be kicked off though. Firstly there is the Indian Removal Act, which led to the deaths of many southeastern Native Americans through forced relocation. The act in its own time was controversial (http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/government-politics/worcester-v-georgia-1832). "In the majority opinion Marshall wrote that the Indian nations were 'distinct, independent political communities retaining their original natural rights' and that the United States had acknowledged as much in several treaties with the Cherokees."

This controversy aside, another notable blunder of Jackson came before his presidency. During the Seminole Wars, to defeat his Native American foes, he invaded Spanish Florida and in the process also executed two British citizens. The ineptitude of his actions paid off, fortunately, for Sec. of State J.Q. Adams played it to the U.S.'s advantage in calling for Florida's annexation, but his actions were nonetheless gung-ho and risky to an absurd degree.

I wouldn't know what Hamilton has done, but Jackson regardless had it comin'.

I really don't know what I think about Harriet Tubman being placed on the bill yet. She certainly deserves a monument of some kind. And is more deserving of being on a Bill than Jackson. But I feel like there Fredrick Douglas, Ronald Reagan, Madison or Adams. I like Harriet Tubman though she was a gun tote'n bada**

Im just waiting for the day that Neil Armstrong will be on us currency

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Hamilton was a dickweed. I dont know why they get so fed up aboot Jackson but not Hamilton

Because Hamilton got a Broadway musical that everyone loves. Myself included.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_(musical)

Teuberland wrote:I haven't heard a ton about Hamilton, although the idea of an illegitimate child and immigrant rising to the position of Treasurer is appealing.

Evidently Lin-Manuel Miranda agreed.

https://youtu.be/XHt7Q18q118

Republic Of Minerva

Miencraft wrote:Don't think I won't suppress you, too.

rlp tyranny, hyelp

New Jaslandia, Shirayuki Mizore

The United States Of Patriots wrote:when are the Board elections going to be?

Good thing you pointed it out, because...

We don't have enough people who actually want to participate to be able to have Board elections.

So, I'm putting Muh Roads in charge of recruitment. I'd like for The New United States and San Andrias to also take part in that, and anyone else who wants to help out. Send out telegrams, go to recruitment-friendly regions, whatever. We need people, first and foremost. Roads got us up to our record of 270, I'm sure he can pull off some more magic for us.

Recruitment is our priority right now, so I need everyone who can to help out with that.

The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:Good thing you pointed it out, because...

We don't have enough people who actually want to participate to be able to have Board elections.

So, I'm putting Muh Roads in charge of recruitment. I'd like for The New United States and San Andrias to also take part in that, and anyone else who wants to help out. Send out telegrams, go to recruitment-friendly regions, whatever. We need people, first and foremost. Roads got us up to our record of 270, I'm sure he can pull off some more magic for us.

Recruitment is our priority right now, so I need everyone who can to help out with that.

Gladly

Miencraft, The New United States, New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Applying for citizenship. Still trying to figure out what's going on on NationStates. IRL my wife and I are voting for Gary Johnson.

Republic Of Minerva

Is citizenship even functional right now?

San Andrias

Hello! I'm new around here, although my country has a planned economy and is classified as democratic socialist I was going to make a communist banana republic but it ended up repulsing me as it usually does so soon enough I'm sure I'll swing into the rightful path of minarchism!

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Is citizenship even functional right now?

If Roads is around, which he probably is, then yeah.

Venturana wrote:Hello! I'm new around here, although my country has a planned economy and is classified as democratic socialist I was going to make a communist banana republic but it ended up repulsing me as it usually does so soon enough I'm sure I'll swing into the rightful path of minarchism!

Welcome aboard.

Bad Libertopia wrote:Applying for citizenship. Still trying to figure out what's going on on NationStates. IRL my wife and I are voting for Gary Johnson.

I don't even know when you got here but both of those sound pretty good.

Venturana

Miencraft wrote:If Roads is around, which he probably is, then yeah.Welcome aboard.

I don't even know when you got here but both of those sound pretty good.

Who would I talk to about finding out whether I'm citizenship eligible?

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Who would I talk to about finding out whether I'm citizenship eligible?

Look at the citizenship tab on the WFE.

San Andrias wrote:Look at the citizenship tab on the WFE.

Already have. I have specific questions about my eligibility due to... strange circumstances.

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Already have. I have specific questions about my eligibility due to... strange circumstances.

Roads or myself should be able to answer them.

I'd recommend Roads since I've been out of the IA game for a while but I still might be able to help.

So... Puerto Rico well and truly screwed the financial pooch here.

Should we let them off the hook, screwing all the bondholders, and give them this mythical "Super Chapter 9" bankruptcy?

San Andrias

I don't know if anyone here are ancaps, but I found this enjoyable besides not being ancap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38K9X5PMLRU

Roooooooooaaaadsssssss, I summon thee!

https://gpaspectrum.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/1370547029.jpg

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Parvimperia

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Roooooooooaaaadsssssss, I summon thee!

https://gpaspectrum.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/1370547029.jpg

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/4bfa5818c5366f249fde22aff1286f50b4780d6baae2145c33819f6aa4d19e83.jpg

http://www.politicalcure.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ISIS-roads.jpg

Communism will rule one day!

The Warning Siren wrote:Communism will rule one day!

Ew

Rateria, Parvimperia, The United States Of Patriots

The Warning Siren wrote:Communism will rule one day!

have fun with that, dane

Rateria, Parvimperia

The Warning Siren wrote:Communism will rule one day!

Uh-huh.

Parvimperia

4 hours ago: The Warning Siren relocated from FFS Libertatem IRU Cafe to Geopolity.

6 hours ago: The Warning Siren relocated from Hayek Islands to FFS Libertatem IRU Cafe.

2 days 2 hours ago: The Warning Siren relocated from The Rejected Realms to Hayek Islands.

2 days 23 hours ago: The Warning Siren relocated from International Republican Union to The Rejected Realms.

2 days 23 hours ago: The Warning Siren was ejected and banned from International Republican Union by Conservative Idealism.

The Warning Siren wrote:Communism will rule one day!

lol no

The Warning Siren wrote:Communism will rule one day!

Is that scientifically possible?

Rateria

The Warning Siren wrote:Communism will rule one day!

I'll quote you too!

The Warning Siren wrote:Communism will rule one day!

Aww, geez, thought I got rid of that guy.

How the hell did you guys manage to piss this one off?

Conservative Idealism wrote:Aww, geez, thought I got rid of that guy.

How the hell did you guys manage to piss this one off?

Hey Idelism long time no see!

Ultimately Dred wrote:Hey Idelism long time no see!

*laughs superficially* Yes, yes it was.

Conservative Idealism wrote:*laughs superficially* Yes, yes it was.

My my how big you've gotten! Have you been working out?

Conservative Idealism wrote:Aww, geez, thought I got rid of that guy.

How the hell did you guys manage to piss this one off?

By existing.

The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria

Ultimately Dred wrote:My my how big you've gotten! Have you been working out?

Nah, I let my country's issues work themselves out. Apparently my people like reproducing.

Miencraft wrote:By existing.

Oh, oh yeah. I do that all the time.

Conservative Idealism wrote:Nah, I let my country's issues work themselves out. Apparently my people like reproducing.

Hmmm......reproduction, go figure.

Rateria

Ultimately Dred wrote:Hmmm......reproduction, go figure.

Ikr

Rateria

I've missed leg day for so many days that my biceps look like monsters compared to the rest of my body.

San Andrias wrote:I've missed leg day for so many days that my biceps look like monsters compared to the rest of my body.

I'm the opposite. Who needs arms with legs like these?

Conservative Idealism wrote:I'm the opposite. Who needs arms with legs like these?

What do you like most about CI?

The obvious answer is "legs".

Greetings Libertatem, I am Markotania a puppet of [nation=short]Markotovia[/nation], the Acting Chief Justice of the CFN. There has been an illegal usurpation of power committed by the Lord-Chancellor and I wish to inform everyone to direct all diplomatic exchanges to the Next Generation Alliance. This is where we will be forming our new region. If you wish to stay in contact, please TG my main nation

New Jaslandia

In light of the events in the CFN, I have withdrawn the embassy we've had there and accepted the embassy proposal from NGA.

New Jaslandia, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Shirayuki Mizore

I'm doing some things in hopes of figuring out how to prevent obesity and support a free market, but it's not working in game.

The Serbian Empire wrote:I'm doing some things in hopes of figuring out how to prevent obesity and support a free market, but it's not working in game.

You cannot do both, in this game or reality.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:You cannot do both, in this game or reality.

It turns out people like food

Rateria, Teuberland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:It turns out people like food

More like, "if you don't ban junk food that's all anyone will eat" apparently.

Miencraft, The Serbian Empire

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:You cannot do both, in this game or reality.

I just wanted to see if it can be done using the mechanics in this game. But the result is Singapore.

The Serbian Empire wrote:I'm doing some things in hopes of figuring out how to prevent obesity and support a free market, but it's not working in game.

Maybe if you weren't a pasta goddess lol.

Teuberland wrote:Maybe if you weren't a pasta goddess lol.

That might be the problem... Hail Barilla!

Teuberland wrote:Maybe if you weren't a pasta goddess lol.

Fun fact about what you call your nation: if you're classified as a Father Knows Best state and you call yourself a Queendom, it changes to Mother Knows Best State.

The Shire Of Anarchy, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Teuberland

Miencraft wrote:Fun fact about what you call your nation: if you're classified as a Father Knows Best state and you call yourself a Queendom, it changes to Mother Knows Best State.

I'm not even sure if you need to call yourself a Queendom. I think I saw a couple of nations where just calling your Leader a feminine title like 'Queen' or 'Princess' will lead to a Mother Knows Best State.

New Jaslandia wrote:I'm not even sure if you need to call yourself a Queendom. I think I saw a couple of nations where just calling your Leader a feminine title like 'Queen' or 'Princess' will lead to a Mother Knows Best State.

Well, that's the one that I know works.

I'm gonna have to try that

Hey guys. Just checking in. What's been happening lately?

Pevvania wrote:Hey guys. Just checking in. What's been happening lately?

Well I'm back.

Also I hate to disappoint you all but I've become a supporter of Trump/Bernie 2016. I thought about it and I think I'd rather have the illegal immigrants and rich people kicked out than freeDUMB. Also the 1% own 120% of the wealth in Murica, so we gotta do something about that.

I keed, I keed. Still Britain's lone libertarian. Not that you'd wanna hear about an old fossil like me, but life's going pretty well at the moment. My 'acting career' is progressing, and I'm coming to California to work for 3 months, which is amazing. How are you awesome people doing?

The New United States

Ultimately Dred wrote:Well I'm back.

But aren't you... nevermind.

Pevvania wrote:But aren't you... nevermind.

It's ok Pev, I know you missed me.

Random thoughts: if we had a libertarian president, or at least a socially and economically liberal one, I think some very positive reforms could be accomplished. Cutting the corporate tax rate seems to enjoy relative bipartisan support, including among the Democratic establishment. And we've seen how a divided government can get concrete spending cuts in the middle of the Obama presidency: Republicans and Democrats were happy to cut military spending as long as domestic spending was cut, and vice versa. Personally, I think veto power would be essential to a modern libertarian presidency, but can be politically destructive. Either way I think spending cuts can be 'easy' if there's some political willpower.

Additionally, it's well within the executive power of the president to rein in the Drug War, regulatory, surveillance and warfare states, some of which President Obama deserves limited credit for contributing to. But still, there are many more steps that need to be taken.

Miencraft, The New United States, San Andrias, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Pevvania wrote: How are you awesome people doing?

Pretty good. Waiting on the regional government to get moving again. Kind of ironic, I guess.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Pretty good. Waiting on the regional government to get moving again. Kind of ironic, I guess.

I'm tryiiiiiiing!

Shirayuki Mizore

Pevvania wrote:Random thoughts: if we had a libertarian president, or at least a socially and economically liberal one, I think some very positive reforms could be accomplished. Cutting the corporate tax rate seems to enjoy relative bipartisan support, including among the Democratic establishment. And we've seen how a divided government can get concrete spending cuts in the middle of the Obama presidency: Republicans and Democrats were happy to cut military spending as long as domestic spending was cut, and vice versa. Personally, I think veto power would be essential to a modern libertarian presidency, but can be politically destructive. Either way I think spending cuts can be 'easy' if there's some political willpower.

Additionally, it's well within the executive power of the president to rein in the Drug War, regulatory, surveillance and warfare states, some of which President Obama deserves limited credit for contributing to. But still, there are many more steps that need to be taken.

If we had a libertarian president, the result would be some freak accident who will be immediately impeached by the two parties. Don't worry about people calling out this obvious corruption because national sentiment will somehow be directed against third parties, perhaps an UnAmerican.

Less cynically tho,

Of course, this is why the Libs are forwarding Gov'na Veto (Gary Johnson.) Of course he can also utilize his powers to unilaterally end the drug war et. cetera, so I don't think he'll be seen only as the stubborn president. There's lots to do as president that don't require trampling people's lives, that's reserved more for the Senate.

Note that even as Gov'na Veto, Gary Johnson still got reelected in New Mexico. If he can accomplish this as governor, he could probably accomplish the same as president.

San Andrias

I'm trying to make manga/anime characters of Von Mises, Von Hayek, and M Friedman...

The New United States, Teuberland

WTB citizenship response! Will pay in road pavings.

Do you guys prefer Johnson to McAfee? If so, why? It seems to me that McAfee is a lot more libertarian whereas Johnson's embraced the whole "socially progressive, economically conservative" label. I think there's a difference between social libertarianism (which focuses a lot on voluntary association) as opposed to social progressivism, which has come to mean universal adoption of "progressive values," through the force of law if necessary.

The whole ordering a baker to bake a cake for a gay couple thing is a progressive tactic and seems entirely anti-liberty.

Just my thoughts

Greetings,

Bad Libertopia has been selected as the new WA delegate, so if the WA suggests more crappy resolutions burdening you with future unwanted/unneeded costs and restrictions, don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

At present the only upcoming piece of legislation I support is the REPEAL of GA #136 "Convention on Wartime Deceased" which was passed as "A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency". Those "morals" may not be shared by everyone. Also. there are economic incentives for combatants to dump their casualties on bordering non-combatant nations, and you're forced to bear the cost of burial. I support the REPEAL of this resolution, and I suspect I will support many future repeals.

I do NOT support the upcoming proposed resolution (at the expense of industry) to protect the Volcano Rabbit.

http://cdn1.arkive.org/media/0C/0C334DBE-BB36-4C11-B7AB-7CADB4CE7C6C/Presentation.Large/Volcano-rabbit-in-habitat.jpg

In Bad Libertopia, private citizens who love the Volcano Rabbit have purchased land so these creatures can cutely frolic in a sustainable habitat in perpetuity, but for all I know in your nation these critters might be disease-carrying crop-devouring pests. Or maybe you think they are delicious.

My top priority is to leave you alone, but is there anything else you'd like to see the WA doing?

The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Ultimately Dred

I'd like to see the WA abolished.

Miencraft, The New United States, The Shire Of Anarchy, San Andrias, Kumquat Cove, Ultimately Dred, Venturana

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'd like to see the WA abolished.

"Sometimes I wish the government would just ban itself." ~Dale Gribble

The New United States, The Shire Of Anarchy

Regional Community News: Issue #25 LGBT+ Spectrum and Un-hue.

Issue: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=578372

Archive: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=505134

I'm kind of new here and not sure what to make of all the attacking and defending of Regions, but is this important?

http://www.nationstates.net/region=commonwealth_of_free_nations

The embassy with International Republican Union is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 11 hours.

The embassy with Icarus is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 1 day 23 hours.

The embassy with North American Federation is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 23 hours.

The embassy with Eurasian Socialist Union is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 23 hours.

The embassy with The Union of the Royal Alliance is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 11 hours.

The embassy with Ultimum Terrae is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 11 hours.

The embassy with Asylum is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 1 day 23 hours.

The embassy with The Great American Union is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 23 hours.

"This coup d'etat is pointless!! Reinstate the former government of democracy now!!!"

"RESPOND YOU COMMUNIST PIGS AND COWARDS!!!"

Bad Libertopia wrote:I'm kind of new here and not sure what to make of all the attacking and defending of Regions, but is this important?

I mean, the guy who said the things you quoted seems (to me anyways) to be some random person, but, yeah, we're aware of the CFN thing.

I'm just not doing anything about it, because it's their own thing to sort out.

Plus, I already, y'know

Miencraft wrote:In light of the events in the CFN, I have withdrawn the embassy we've had there and accepted the embassy proposal from NGA.

New Jaslandia

Does any one know what happened to the UCR?

San Andrias

oi m8s

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=375927

feel free to select an option in the poll! :3

Ultimately Dred wrote:Does any one know what happened to the UCR?

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Ultimately Dred

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