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Region: Libertatem
This might be the greatest (unintentional?) compliment I've ever received.
The new face of the DRP: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_time_alliance/detail=factbook/id=260651
*cringe & grimace*
It was intentional.
Congrats, Miencraft!
I think the absence of Lone Star during that particular poll shows just what we'd see from him had he been elected.
Also, time for Seat 5, and then we're done here.
Morning all.
Ankha, do you still choose to represent the Communist Party?
I'll start the poll, but if Ankha changes his party allegiance then I'll restart it to reflect this.
^
Lack is back, that is all
I think I would like to join the Libertarian Party, If Lack is good with that.
back from the dead and already converting the commies, dang im good
i kid, i kid, We'd be glad to have you
Great.
I was representing a region, but yes. You aregood.
I know, that's the worst part
Ha.
If someone would be gracious enough to TG me the highlights of the last few weeks (looks like i missed quite a bit) it would not be frowned upon
Would if I knew/
Welcome back, Lack! I'll send you a TG shortly.
Pevv, the poll.
Thanks ^
neat
Does Pevv vote?
He's above such plebian tactics
Oh. XD
Sometimes. Usually I do so because I feel strongly about a particular candidate, or if I wish to swing the election a certain way.
RRRG had 3 votes...Then he had one.....
I'm happy ACP is getting no votes....
Go Ankha!!!!
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:)
OK then....*Humpy voice* Do You feel strongly for me??
I have to go, but to all voters:
I believe in many liberties, and strongly about freedoms. I am an advocate for the small business, and fight for all human rights.
VOTE ANKHA JUNE BOARD/Seat 5!
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Well, I have to go. Lets get our votes in. Hope to be on the board! Bye for now.
What in the literal home of eternal damnation!
When did we let this guy back in?
I think you're a fresh choice in this region's politics, but I don't know enough about your policies to feel strongly about your candidacy. Yet.
Ask me anything. TG or RMB.
lack, change this. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=lack_there_of/detail=factbook/id=191903
You're probably right. Congrats Mien.
I'm Independent broÂ
Nev mind I realize you where referring to Alchandria
My real question for Ankha:
Do you even lift, bro?
Best debate ever 10/10 would watch again yoloswag
Ha :P
How can we trust an individual who can so easily switch from the Communist ideology to Libertarianism? How do we know that your regional allegiances are not so fluid?
What's so funny?! If you don't lift then, why should you be trusted in the government? I bet you don't even know what a bench is. GOSH
On a more serious note, this too^^^
I was in many regions and only representing the region I was in then.
I didnt respond. Yes I do life. Quite a bit. I play football/
I am IN many regions, and I do my best to represent the people in each.
WHAT'S UR BENCH MAX? I BET IT'S LIEK 20 LBS LOLOLOLOLOL
So wait, you're saying that you just mold your nation into the beliefs of each region? That makes you a poser, literally.
So your regional loyalties [B]are[/B] fluid? Then why should we trust you, if you may just end up jumping ship (as you did in your previous region)?
A better question is why you should trust me. I'm exactly the same way, if not more unstable. Yet I remain.
In the 3 regions that I've known you in, (here, TFI, and IRU) you pretty much seem the same to me
Indeed. The difference is: Until a day ago, Ankha was serving a Communist region and had a Sickle & Hammer adorned flag. Now he is a Libertarian?
Exactly
Original Communism is Akin to Left-Libertarianism
My ideals and speech do not change, but my actions sure do. I'm equipped to deal with different kinds of governments, and you would be surprised with the finesse I've had when it comes to managing aspects of communist regions.
As for Ankha's actions, his activity and organizational ability are astonishing, to say the least. Having seen him in action, I think he would be always on the ball when it comes to this region's affairs. His ideals appear to be libertarian communism, which, as I've seen, apparently isn't a contradiction at all (though, I'll admit, lib-comms are total idealists, and I can only understand them because I, too, am very idealistic).
So basically by "Having seen him in action" and "as I've seen" you are just talking about him on a personal level because you know him and are defending him because and only because of that. Let's all remember folks that CI knows Ankha, so most things he says today will be bias. Just saying'
Also I call cheating by Ankha or one of his supporters. Hollerozen was founded, just so happened to move here, then immediately voted for Ankha. That isn't suspicious at all. I'm not saying it's you Ankha, but to whoever did this, seriously? Like, really? Why did you have to do this?
Hollerozen isn't even a citizen; their vote doesn't count anyway.
Hmm. But I know you, don't I, Grimes?
But seriously, I just don't understand why people have to cheat.
You said you know him IRL, didn't you? I thought you did at least?
Hey, I'm sorry, didn't want to start some sort of a mess around here! I just voted for him because I wanted to be more proactive and I saw that he was in the libertarian party, and I share some ideals with that party.
Didn't know he was an ex communist, neither did I want to do any harm.
Just a rookie mistake.
Well if you are a legitimate new comer, then don't worry you didn't make a mistake. I've been in several elections in the past where someone uses puppets to vote for themselves and against me and it just really makes me mad. Also here you have to wait, what, a month I think it is before you get full citizenship and can vote, just a heads up. I still hold suspicion though. How did you find out about Libertatem?
I'm sorry, it was not my intention at all! I started to play recently, and since I've all ways been a libertarian I accepted the invitation that pevvania sent me. Is there any place where I can see some guidelines of how things are run around here? Just so that I don't do the same stupid mistake again XD
People change. And he may have never been a Commie.
No no, its fine man.
Seems legit. Welcome! and sorry about the hassling then. Give the constitution a read for all the government good stuff:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/id=75156
Honestly, Id agree with that. Libertarian communism is way to unstable. Actually, one person can destroy the whole system by hoarding (Minerva's twinkies) and such. So, in reality, I think capitalism is the best you can get on earth at this time.
No, Im saying that I am in alot of regions and will reflect the regions views while I am an AMBASSADOR from that region. My views [B]dont change. [/B]
Really though.. Why do I trust you??
Are you telling us you belief Capitalism is the best we have just to get us to elect you, or do you actually belief that? what happened to being a Communist?
What is ACP ?
I believe that there are forms of Communism, that a) isnt really communism, but b) is good. However, upon further examination, you will find that the good kind of communism, the kind that I found acceptable is ridiculously unrealistic. When one person can ruin the system you have an issue. Capitalism is the best political system that can be in use realistically. That is coming from a business owner.
For Godis dead? It is the founders party read this:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=liberosia/detail=factbook/id=259674
you better not be fooling me.
Im not. My actions will speak louder than my words. I assure you.
Unfortunately. ow I actually have to go. Well, in like 2 minutes......Ill be here for a couple minutes, then again later.
well, so I think that it's a marketing mistake to use red for an anti-communist party.
LOL. Where did I see red ? OK I'm going to kill myself.
Not IRL, no. I know him from the UCR, is what I've been saying.
Why you trust me, if at all, is your decision entirely. I make no guarantees about my character.
"The embassy with Apartheid South Africa is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 2 days 19 hours."
I have to say, I'm very pleased this is finally happening. It's true that some nations believe that they aren't really racists, but I think having an embassy with them absolutely sends the wrong message.
Quite.
That doesn't exist
WellÂ… never mind then.
That is not recommendedÂ
Very true. Well, partially; it exists as far as schools of thought, and works for individual communes, but in terms of its very definition it does not exist. Why?
The very principle of communism is to enforce this political system across the entire world; that is how Marx envisioned it, as did Lenin. It has never existed, and if it were to exist, it would not be a good thing.
But I digress; that's not what Ankha meant. He meant to say good kind of theoretical communism (as applied to other regions here).
Okay so I haven't been on for three days and I'm confused. 1. It's too late too announce citizenship. 2. You're a puppet and have to wait 30 days for citizenship.
Some of the original libertarians were actually economists that were inspired by anarchist and libertarian socialist philosophy.
My main criticism of libertarian socialism is that it doesn't coincide well with reality. While it is true that the original affluent societies were communistic, it was only because they had the time, resources, and ingrained division of labor (e.g. women do x men do y), whereas libertarian socialists want more of the former and none of the latter. When you have a society larger than these tribal societies, you'll have to have a greater division of labor in order for everyone to be well provided for, hence the class system formed. Feudalism was the best example of this, where one part of society worked (the peasants) other part fought (knights), and another part prayed (priests). These factions were not united because of some trickery of the princes and elites (heck, most of the princes didn't get along, hence all the wars), but because they shared mutually enemies or it was the only way to survive against others who were doing the same. Any "affluent" communistic tribe living in Europe during the middle ages would of gotten quickly conquered and destroyed.
Even if a communist society were to be established, without a unifying cause (eg workers vs the bourgeois) it would quickly turn in upon itself. All the resources could be provided, and yet there would still be competition between who has the most (hoarding). In species of the wild, the instinct to compete (to gain more food than the rest to ensure your individual survival) would still be apart of them even if all resources were granted. Otherwise all of it's members would eventually turn against each other, trying to destroy each other through useless ego stroking that we already see enough of right here in Nationstates.
2 hours ago: FascistaItalia lodged a message on the Nazi Europa Regional Message Board.
2 hours ago: FascistaItalia relocated from Libertatem to Nazi Europa.
2 days 15 hours ago: FascistaItalia was ranked in the Top 10% of the region for Most Authoritarian (last census: Top 5%).
11 days ago: FascistaItalia was ranked in the Top 5% of the world for Most Primitive.
11 days ago: FascistaItalia was ranked in the Top 5% of the region for Most Primitive.
18 days ago: FascistaItalia relocated from Balder to Libertatem.
18 days ago: FascistaItalia was refounded in Balder.
284 days ago: FascistaItalia ceased to exist.
342 days ago: FascistaItalia was ranked in the Top 10% of the region for Most Authoritarian.
344 days ago: FascistaItalia was refounded.
Who the hell is this guy? A puppet that was gaining influence?
On Anhka, he shouldn't have been given Citizenship. He would classify as a foreign puppet which would mean he would have to wait 30 days rather than 10. Pev, please take the poll down. Muh please postpone his citizenship for another 13 days. Sorry Anhk.... :(
I'm afraid there's been a grave lapse in judgement on my part. [nation=short]Ankha[/nation], you were improperly granted citizenship as Ankhora as a foreign puppet within days of your arrival. This process should have taken 30 days according to the FRAUD Act. You must be a citizen to stand for office.
I apologise for the inconvenience caused. I'm on my tablet and I've only just been informed of the facts, but Humpheria is right. This should not have happened. Sorry, Ankha, you'll have to run next month.
Poll will be dismantled and then re-posted.
Huh. I could have sworn it was ten.
I will abstain from the Seat Five vote.
It IS ten!
Section IV
Foreign dignitaries
Subsection I
Any nation from any ally of Libertatem may send a dignitary puppet
Subsection II
These puppets must be identified as dignitaries to be granted proper rights
Subsection III
It is illegal for a foreign nation to send a puppet disguised as a sovereign nation
Subsection IV
After having membership of more than thirty days, these puppets will classify as Citizens
Section V
Citizenship
Subsection I
Only Citizens may hold office and vote in public elections, they are not required to do either
[B]Subsection II
One must be a resident by at least ten days before being eligible for citizenship[/B]
Subsection III
Citizens who wish to stand for public office must identify their World Assembly nation to the President or Manager of Internal Affairs
Subsection IV
Once attaining office, they must inform the President or Manager of Internal Affairs the location of their World Assembly nation whenever relevant
Subsection V
After the residency requirement is met, a nation must notify the Manager of Internal Affairs
Subsection VI
The Manager of Internal Affairs will keep a public list of Citizens, and will manage the status and list of Citizens appropriately
Ankha is NOT from one of our allies, and is not a foreign dignitary. Additionally, Muh added him to the Citizens register after ten days. Therefore, he is a citizen and is eligible to run.
Ankhora's first post on our RMB: "And, I, am the delegate, here for my own reasons as to advise my hand in foreign relations. We are very watchful of you after your Communist Beach antics, and are just keeping tabs. Anyway, Hello."
He is not Ankhora anymore. He is Ankha.
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This changes things because...?
The UCR is not "any ally of Libertatem" (nor is he the delegate, nor has he been for more than ten days) - therefore, Ankha is not a dignitary puppet. Therefore, Section IV does not apply.
Section V says only ten days are required, and he has more than fulfilled that.
Ankha is his main nation.
Ah, missed that ally part.
Never mind then.
Yes, Humpy, yes you are. I hope you aren't any longer, now that we have clarified.
Now, let's get back to the elections in earnest. We've stalled for too long already.
And Miencraft is mine. Sahrok Nivod is a puppet of mine. If I were to swap the locations of Miencraft and Sahrok Nivod, then would that change the fact that they're both mine? No.
Since it's an arguable point of law, I will allow both sides to make their arguments before restarting the poll - in its final form - tomorrow. Right now, I will sleep, but I'll read everything that is said.
30 days for a puppet, 10 for a main nation.
False. 30 days for a dignitary, 10 days for a nation that isn't a dignitary. If I were to send Sahrok Nivod here in an unofficial capacity and take Miencraft out, it would only take 10 days for the citizenship to go through. If I were to declare it an ambassador from the International Liberty Alliance, it'd take 30 days.
Hmm. I was wrong.
*applause*
I thought we amended it to 30 days in the FRAUD Act?
It may just say ally but I can tell you as the author of that section that I meant any foreign puppet. He is still a foreign puppet. He has said many times that he has foreign nations. The thirty day rule should still apply. I honestly don't feel too strongly about any of the candidates and I didn't bring this up for political reasons. If an application is invalid and hasn't yet reached the puppet (BECAUSE HE IS A FREAKING PUPPET), even if Muh accepts, it wouldn't be valid. I'm sorry that you're upset about your friend CI, but using wordplay and lawyer's semantics won't change the fact that he has other nations and his Citizen nation is a puppet.
Ankha is not a dignitary (1. he does not represent UCR 2. he does not represent any region 3. the word of law says he has to represent an allied region to be a dignitary). Therefore, ten days, Ankha is a citizen, he can participate.
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