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Region: Libertatem
I never said social liberalism is not liberalsim, for that is just a fancy way of saying it.
I said that socialism is not liberalism, which you failed to recognize.
I refuse to be bantered at when you don't even both to read my posts.
Good. We can ally as that then. Embassies are good, since we are similar enough.
Again,
Those are the extrems of left-wing nations. What about the mixture of left and middle? (a lesser extreme of left-wing politics)
This is a major thing that I must know.
Cylthropia, exactly, which is why we're going to stop this destructive conversation and move forward.
As Senatress Cylthropia mentioned, she and I are only single Senators. Like I said, our system is more decentralized than yours, but I would say I'm more convinced now that establishing embassies could have some benefit to both regions.
As for the IRU issue, it is a more touchy subject. It seems the pinnacle of arrogance to recreate our old region after its citizens willingly left it, like a man erecting a statue to his dead wife but she's not dead and, in fact, she's standing right there.
Mid-left, Third Way, Soft Socialists: Meh, we don't like 'em, but they're too weak to actually do anything we don't like.
Do you support them? We have some liberals in our region. None of which are socialist or communist, but just side with the more "left" side of the political scale, if you will.
I couldn't support opening an embassy with a region that despises them for their political affiliation.
Are we absolutely agreed on embassies? I'd like a certain measure of assurance before we move on.
That's not as reassuring as I would like it to be, but in time we both could adjust.
I support opening embassies. :)
So. they are essentially just moderate leftists? I disagree with them, but tolerate them.
As does the FFS.
Cyl, we don't despise them. Keynesians and consumerists...there just...not a threat, so we don't really care. Obviously, we don't support them, but we're not going to go to war with Democrats.
Resolved: Embassies shall be created between Libertatem and Federation of Free States.
Wait, wait. I'd be more than happy to support the embassy, but I'm not about to commit to it, especially when there's the elephant in the room, leaving large stains on the nice carpet we're trying to steam-clean.
WE AGREED! :D
I knew we could do it! *sips last bit of tea*
Mmm. Thank you gentlemen for your kind hospitality and the tea. I must return to the Federation of Free States.
May this spark a new ear of peace and friendship between our two regions, and with that, good night.
Good. Now, everyone finish your tea and we'll be on our way.
*Quickly drinks, sets cup down*
Hang on a tic. I don't recall getting an assurance about your pet IRU clone.
Western Mars, why do you think you own the IRU?
*whispers*
Mars, we weren't here for that. Just get on the plane and head back to the FFS. GOR and Balkans can handle that.
Property. It is property. Our property. You have no right to take that.
We refounded it to save it from communist capture (refounding). I was a citizen of the IRU as much as you were, and so was Conservative Idealism. You failed to refound it, so we stepped up.
It is a jewel of the Empire, of course.
It protects them from communists. We don't oppress it, we govern it the same as Libertatem. It's just a protected region, part of a alliance of defenders from communism.
I don't own the IRU. I simply think it's an appalling idea to erect a region with exactly the same name as our old, beloved one, like resurrecting a dead friend but taking a scalpel to his features because DIY-Doctor Frankenstein thinks he's some kind of plastic surgeon.
Would you rather a communist recreate it and inscribe "Vive la Revolucion" on it?
It is nonetheless ours. You can object. *makes note of objection*
Now we're done.
It's the same region as before. It just changed leadership.
Capitalistic Imperialism...like that ended well the first time!
Let us not forget, you all at FFS were the ones that left the IRU to death.
It's an old region that we in the FFS have a history with. It's a memory of a time that's very dear for us. There's no need to refound it. There's no need to do anything with it. I don't want to see the name used as some kind of personal trophy for Libertatem. It simply grates my nerves that's all.
Nice 40% public sector Cylthropia.
We abandoned the IRU after seeing its corruption. The Founder of the IRU was the Founder of the FFS...not Libertatem.
It's not a trophy at all. It is an equal member of the Libertatem Empire, granted full rights, administered by Conservative Idealism, and preparing to be rebuilt.
Actually, I had full control of the founder nation of the IRU...but that's a different story.
Cylthropia is a person, not a country. It is a representative of Mirmadon.
Still, nice 40% public sector.
And Cylthropia dares call me the communist...........
You abandoned it to refound it with a different banner. The FFS. It is not a trophy. But I don't want to give the communists targets.
I was talking to Conservative Idealism since he controls the region:
"on our rejection of your new IRU you have to realize we (Balkans specifically, who controlled CSE by that point) meant for the IRU to die out as a region completely and pulled relics of it to the FFS as a memorial of sorts so reviving it and sticking Libertatems name on it didnt exactly float our boat if you know what I mean. "
Aden founded the IRU, and you know that.
NST, I never called you a communist! Why do you think so?
I was analyzing your statement and concluded that you called US the communists!
And it's ours now.
We are protecting it from communists.
Liberosia, hold yourself to a higher standard. You said no "hate-talk".
I know, I gave it to Balkans. However, it is alive again, ready to roar back to life. Except this time, there is new leadership.
The GOR once had 100% Public sector (for no good reason might I add) and then like the next day is jumped all the way to 100% Private sector. That's nationstates for you.
Cyl, I called you Neo-Con tyrants. How on Earth is that Communism? You just took the big fishbowl of politics and threw it out the window of a twelve story building.
Cylthropia, you're not communist, no way. I'm being sincere. That's just a huge public sector...
It would have been a symbolic victory for the Communists, nothing more. I suppose I don't want that, but why refound it? It had passed away a long time ago. I doubt many outside of a few circles even remember its name.
It's small comfort that it's being rebuilt. I'll never understand what motivates some to collect old regions, but perhaps you do intend to rebuild it. What as, though?
Did you know that I was the one that gave it to you!
Aden gave CSE to me (along with all of his other puppet that are the founders of countless regions). I had health problems and he suggested you.
@NST
Yes I did. As with the rest of that telegram.
Halt! Civilized tones please! I apologize for anything I might have said...
...any more tea?
No.
We will be on our way, thank you.
NST, would you kindly please stop calling anyone anything? We're trying to have a civil interregional summit here, and I'm sorry to say that I feel your contributions have been more disruptive than constructive.
O...M...G... Are you that Ayn Rand nation?
O...M...G...
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Will our rightful, glorious, and just ownership of the IRU be an impediment to embassies?
No. Our embassy is with Libertatem, not the IRU.
Whoa...
Who? Me?
Yes, Rand was a great theorist.
No, Cylthropia...
Small world, no?
And do you know the NS Pope....I do...
Good. Then we are done for tonight, I presume. Further talks regarding the IRU can occur once...peaceful relations have been established through embassies.
We will send an envoy once construction has completed.
It's been a pleasure. Thank you for the tea.
Perhaps
You're welcome. Next time, we will provide coffee.
I am lost in the discourse.
Truly interesting though.
Anyone wants to help me raid The Dprk? I am moving there now!
DAFUQ ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS RMB IS LONGER THAN WAR AND PEACE!!!!?!?!?!????
Oceasia! Delete your post. No talking of operations on the RMB, and we already have a target.
What?!?!?! Someone fill me in.
What is it that we have to gain from an embassy with them? Or lose? It's kind of a 'meh' issue, and it seems like it's really their issue. On to bigger and better things?
Will someone explain to me a summary of what happened over-night?
Embassies for Peace and non aggression.
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Not much, admittedly. But they could be a useful ally in the long run.
Not too long ago they had initiated an embassy with another region and then cancelled only to re-open it after a kind of embarrassing (for them) display of their political red tape. Although there's no real reason not to build an embassy with them, are they willing to give any assurance that the same process won't happen with us?
How is everyone today?
If anyone closes it again, we just drop it. Leave it at that. If 85 Million Victims of Communism and other allied ideologies won't rally them to their neo-con arms, nothing will.
Very good point.
I am going to withdraw from this subject because I have no idea what we are talking about.
Erm...what happened here?
Okay, I would like to clear something up to everyone here - the IRU does not belong to Libertatem: it belongs to whomever occupies it. If the citizenry is mostly from this region, then that's just how it is, but Imperial control of the region is nominal at best. Its new direction must be determined, and I do not intend for it to be exactly the same as Libertatem (nor exactly the same as the previous IRU, because that didn't end well). It is its own sovereign entity, and must be respected by both Libertatem and the Federation of Free States as such - neither party is responsible for its future.
That said, though, I'm glad the new IRU has ties to this region (and I do hope more of you will send puppets there). If only it had a better leader than I, though.
Calling all Patriots! Lovers of Liberty, Enlist! Your Region, and the Entire NS, needs you for our crusade of Liberty!
Telegram me to enlist today! Join the Libertatem Armed Forces, to defend liberty from the communist hordes and fascist snakes alike, as our current targets will soon be liberated from authoritarian trash and oppressive "people's" dictators. We need more volunteers to effectively defend freedom from totalitarian plagues.
I had to move Alak out of the Communist Region. Sorry guys.
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Lolz
Fool! You didn't do it right! Now they can see you!
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x2 The Lolz
Go to hell.
Capitalist scum!
Do I get a free dance with the Devil?
If Hell existed, then I would meet you there as well.
WOLOLO conversion to communism
Yay, Communist Party in da house!
That's it. I declare war!
Just u and me Kalrathia.
Oh, Naughty Naughty.
Going to have to walk past mai guys, Bai boi
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Workers slaving away, risking their lives, selling their valuable labor to fat cats that don't give a damn about them. If it weren't for the workers, Capitalism would fail. In a capitalist society, labor creates commodities but labor itself is a commodity. Fat cats trap workers with the illusion of wages so that workers can manage to create the commodities.
And this is my objection to the "self interest" criticism of communism. If you accept egotism, & that all people ought to be selfish & pursue their own interests (which I do); then wouldn't it be only logical for the workers to pursue communism?
And about democracy:
"Democracy is the road to socialism" -Karl Marx
And socialism is the road to communism.
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