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Region: Libertatem
I know that Jaden likes the Pauls. My IRU nation is The United Libertarian American Republic
RON PAUL REVOLUTION
But wasn't the flag widely used by members of the Democrat party? Isn't therefore saying the flag is a symbol of racism and slavery the same as saying the Democrats are a symbol of racism and slavery? I don't think you'd find many people outside of the Black Panthers who'd argue that point. Flags are made for a reason. The red of the flag signifies hardiness and valour (racist?) the white signifies purity and innocence (racist?) the blue signifies vigilance, perseverance and justice (racist?) and the stars signify the number of seceded states (racist?). Nothing about the flag itself is racist (unless I missed something) how people use it can be racist but that doesn't make the flag itself racist. Case in point, here in England we have a small group of nazis called the English Defence League. Funnily enough, they use the St. George's Cross to represent them. So, when I wave the English flag, am I being racist? Do I support the expulsion of black and Asians from Britain? No. Because to me the flag means something very different than it does to them.
http://www.tomsmithcamp.com/tomsmithpics/news02.jpg
http://www.theroot.com/content/dam/theroot/articles/news/2015/07/black_supporters_of_the_confederate_flag_don_t_let_cowards_in_bedsheets/screen_shot_20150630_at_11.33.12_pm.png.CROP.rtstory-large.33.12_pm.png
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https://exposingmodernmugwumps.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/black-confed.jpg
Stop right there black people. That's racist.
Rateria
...In defense of the opponents of the Stars and Bars, the Democrats were overwhelmingly racist. In fact, their moralistic pandering to special interest groups and zealous support of AA indicates they're still closet racists to this day.
Miencraft, The New United States
I would agree through and through. There's a closeted racist segment of the Democrat Party just as much as I was a closeted transgender person for all but the last week or two.
Rateria, Condealism
More to the point, though, the flag simply represents modern Southern heritage and pride. It's no more a message of hatred than the rainbow flag is; that doesn't stop some people from construing it differently.
Rateria
I'll just remind you that the democrats were basically the slavery party, and more recently, the segregation party...
George Wallace, democratic Governor of Alabama, personally stood in front of the engine of colleges to prevent black students from entering, and famously stated in his inauguration address;
"It is fitting that I stand where Jefferson Davis once stood... for the heel of the state cannot snap the neck of an upright man... segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"
Miencraft, The New United States, Condealism
But they aren't really today are they. I mean certain members still are extremely racist but that doesn't mean you can characterise the entire party this way the same way you can't characterise people who use the Confederate flag as racists just because historically these two entities mainly represented racism doesn't mean they do today.
Rateria
Ooh let's see if this brings humpy out. Ahem... The civil war was about slavery
The American Empire In Libertatem
Maybe humpy bear is sick or hanging out with bae.
I know that he saw paper towns last night, what a softy
Nope, nope and nope.
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Yeah because they were the ones with wealth
Can the Left send a better debating emissary, please?
Miencraft
I am doing this of my own accord, no one elses.
Fetuses are not human beings. They lack sentience, personhood, and autonomy. They are under the jurisdiction of the pregnant person's body. You have no right to force someone to carry through a pregnancy.
Rateria
What?
Please elaborate.
I think there IS a certain point where the Brain is fully formed, but that is in the last few months.
Rateria
Yes, and most abortions occur within the first trimester, when the fetus has barely begun developing physically, let alone mentally. Only in rare instances are abortions performed after the second trimester, and that is only admissible if the woman's personal health is at risk.
Miencraft, Kings Island, Pangaean Debating Emissary
Well specifically speaking for all of history jews have been a minority group with wealth and poles had wealth as well
Rateria
Well specifically speaking for all of history jews have been a minority group with wealth and poles had wealth as well
All jews are wealthy?
Not all but a good amount are which would cause marx and ingles to despise them because of kill the rich people part of communism
Rateria
http://www.marxmail.org/faq/antisemitism.htm
http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html
Not all but a good amount are which would cause marx and ingles to despise them because of kill the rich people part of communism
Aaaaaaaand no sources.....
Would you like me to
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You do know, that Marx was an ethnic jew, right?
How about the jewish question by karl marx
I doubt whatever you pull up would already be debunked by the links I have shown you.
Yup that is adressed, go read.
http://www.marxmail.org/faq/antisemitism.htm
http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html
You should
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/engels.html
And was ashamed of his upbringing as well
https://www.worldsocialism.org/canada/marx.and.antisemitism.1960.v27n214.htm
The growing nineteenth-century socialist movements often explicitly promoted anti-Semitism. Although himself a Jew, Karl Marx continued these anti-Jewish polemics. The historical association between Jews, private property, and commerce led to his infamous anti-Semitic diatribes. Marx, who sought to reconstruct society according to his master plan, detested the particularistic nature of Jewish religion and custom. Some of Marx's followers, such as Dühring and Lassalle, believed that if the public could be convinced to hate Jewish capitalists, the public would eventually come to hate non-Jewish capitalists as well.
Miencraft, Pevvania
Lol, Marx's family converted to christianity a year after he was born.
So do you refuse to read my link?
Sorry, *links
Did you read mine
And I did read your links, something to the effect of join the class struggle and don't identify as jews or else
His father had to convert to become a lawyer and he still had family members that were rabbis.
Rateria
Sometimes being jewish is not only religious but also is nationalistic.
In the Marxist view of history, the struggle was about the empowering of the proletarians, and this in a Internationalist way.
In this interpretation, those peoples that are fighting for ethnic, nationalistic or any other kind of excluding identity.
Nations are not only built within a group, but also against the others.
Who?
So since they identified as jews semitism is the answer?
His Uncle?
Who?
His mother in particular, she held on to her faith until marx grew older
I think you only read one of them.
http://communism-explained.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html
Oh the one were they asserted that it was engles that wrote it and marx wasn't a anti-semi? Yeah read that one too. Did you read mine?
His mother uncles aunts grandparents
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Asserted!?
Your source is a blog, nice try though
I was reading then I saw the mistranslated 'racial trash' and came back to you to make sure you read mine, and it seams you only read it to please me for the sake of the conversation, and soon after you read it you had an immediate cognitive dump of all read info.
Your source is a blog with people who don't agree on what is says
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It was a blog
No, my family is middle class.
And that immediately de-values every single letter on the page?
Elaborate.
It's a blog...Blogs are for people to share their opinions, and thus, not credible.
Yes because it is not a credible source, anyone could have written this and people commented with disapproval. Any brainwashed and bias source could have wrote this. I gave you credible sources
Do you mean the comments?
They are more credible because they do not allow criticism?
I'm not a dogmatist, so I'll look into it. Libertarian intellectuals are not flawless either when it comes to racism - Murray Rothbard was fairly racist towards African-Americans (although he was voraciously anti-slavery, viewing it as morally reprehensible and believing that freedmen should have been given land and compensation by former slave owners), and both he and Hans-Herman Hoppe became advocates of borders later in their careers, despite being anarchists, for largely xenophobic reasons. Hoppe has never been a leader of the libertarian movement in the same way that Rothbard, Hayek, Mises and Friedman were, however.
Either way, respecting and believing in most of the ideas of an intellectual does not mean you totally agree with them or condone their personal behaviour.
Rateria, Pangaean Debating Emissary
The whole thing, bud. Show me a site that is credible.
So because it allows criticism means it is less credible.
I have a question for you: is Wikipedia a credible source?
Because it gave an unbiased view point and look at it from a historical point. Yours was a nameless uncited source
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Yes and no it has gotten better but is still iffy
Emissary argues that since anyone can write on a blog it is credible...Anyone can write on Wikipedia.
Very true. One source was join the cause or else, and the other was a nameless blog, not too great. My sources are good though
So... does anyone have any idea why Chairman Hallo was RMB banned? Because I am confused.
Right-Winged Nation, Condealism
I agree that your sources are, indeed, more credible, but Wikipedia and that nameless blog are not as credible, as other sources. So, I think, Emissary should find us a credible website, then we can go back to the debate at hand.
Right-Winged Nation
Libertarian pro-tip of the day: some regulations are justified by the NAP. For example, if a business misleads or lies in its advertising or product information, they can often be stealing from customers and thus violating their rights. A business that pollutes private property also must pay compensation, because property damage is a violation of the NAP. Even a limited amount of safety market regulation is justified, since a business selling a service that they market as safe, but ends up killing someone
But I use the term 'regulation' very loosely. Regulation in a free market would be done by private regulators - which actually exist today and cover thousands of different types of industry, like toasters, for example - and enforced by private judicial firms, and by extension bounty hunters and the like. Government regulation is obtrusive, violent, destructive, impoverishing, unnecessary and ultimately an active coercion against of consumers, businesses and workers.
Anyone could have made those pages Right-Wing_Nation linked.
No bias whatsoever here, nope, none at all....
You can't detect the bias because you believe what the blog says.
Are you just attacking it on the grounds it is a blog, so you don't have to deal with it on an intellectual level?
No he is not...You are bringing a blog into this so you don't have to deal with it on an intellectual level.
Right-Winged Nation
It being?
It has been occurring over the past two years, particularly since late 2013.
Clearly we have, since your comrades have not been able to seize a single active region, nor have you touched the vast majority of our allies. You've made a noticeable but cosmetic dent, while we're slowly chewing up your empire.
Dismantling REATO is impossible. For every member that leaves, one will rejoin. Every violent attack you launch against a free region, another free region will join our cause to confront you, another nation will join. REATO managed to command over 35 endorsers in the recent Hyatt Islands defense, and the vast majority of them came from the IRU and Libertatem. All this while we ran operations elsewhere. Do you see what this means? Bullying members into leaving or graffiti-ing the WFEs of former members hasn't put a dent into our military strength. The more you push, the stronger we become. Yet when we took out International Socialists, one of four members of The Red Fleet, your leaders not only did not replenish the loss, you continued to decay. Since then, the number of regions in The Red Fleet has shrunk by a half, and you now need the KPA for support in operations. It is clear that the libertarian revolutionaries of REATO are growing stronger by the day, while the red tide of economic ignorance, slavery and oppression continues to weaken and stagnate.
No, I mean that the longer you continue blowing chunks on our RMB, the more evident it is to everyone else in the region that you're talking out of your ass.
The meme questions the motivations of left- and right-socialist hatred of Israel. Personally, I don't know enough about the Israel/Palestinian debate to give strong support to either side.
Redneck racist conservatives masquerading as libertarians. Plenty of idiots use the Gadsen Flag.
99% of libertarians oppose the Confederacy, because it was not libertarian in the slightest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvKjRB7wg5k
Individual rights trump states' rights in every single case.
Rateria, Condealism
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I decided to document the number of killings by police officers per million people to individual gun ownership in each US state and DC. The result indicates a positive correlation. In other words, states with higher gun ownership are more likely to have more police killings. But correlation does not prove causation. This scatter graph does not tell whether police brutality drives defensive gun purchases and thus higher ownership, or whether high gun ownership leads to more confrontations with the police.
http://i.imgur.com/bLzZm30.png
Right-Winged Nation
Quote of the day
"A free market is the only way to control corporations. As long as government has the power to regulate business, business will control government by funding the candidate that legislates in their favour." - Dr. Mary Ruwart
Right-Winged Nation, Rateria
What are the two outliers?
Oklahoma and Wyoming.
Tyrinth
Here's the data I used:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-ownership-by-state-2015-7?IR=T
Would that not be a no true scotsman?
Not calling all conservatives racist at all. Racist conservatives are actually a very small minority. But it is a very stupid and very annoying minority.
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Think he meant that saying those are just conservatives masquerading as libertarians, not actual libertarians, was being No True Scotsman.
It told you who wrote it
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He was? From our RMB? No idea.
You mean today?
He did resort to name-calling and defamatory speech during the debate, but it seemed relatively mild to me...
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