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Region: Libertatem
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Miencraft, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Rateria
Hello friends. I'm Brazilian and I'm new in the region. I do not know if it will be my permanent region but I hope to have a good stay here. There are some reasons why I'm here, so...
Why do you have several posts of the Federation Of Conservative Nations here?
Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Welcome! Be sure to join our discord server!
Rateria
Because we have embassy posting and that guy is advertising his region's poll.
Rateria
Believe me, we've been trying to get him to leave
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Rateria
This just in, former president and number one god in da whole wide multiverse Muh Roads makes a sudden RMB post.
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
OMG this is so unnecessary. I remember when this region was big and active and independent. Now it looks like a space for propaganda of polls of allied regions.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
bro I love these polls, always fun to see how people would vote knowing what they do now about the presidents of the US
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
This is fun, and this whole thing is about being fun, so I'd say it is necessary for keeping it cool here.
Rateria
And this region is decent size, active, and independent. Everything is on the discord.
Rateria
Most activity is in the discord
Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Libertarians are supposedly open borders, but I know we got a lot of Trump bleedover too, and he's pretty hard on borders. Personally borders are one of the two areas i'm not libertarian, that and being pro-life. opinions?
Pevvania, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Two words:
Private borders.
Rateria
I'm mostly pro-life. I also believe in a strong national defense, which means a well protected border. I do not believe in all this "wall" nonsense, but people should still respect the rule of law.
Rateria
I also generally approve of this latest administration, way better than the last few. A smaller government, a better tax code, and a weakening of the executive is great, and Trump has accomplished a lot of this, whether intentionally or by accident.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
Hmong: Bill Proposes National Cemetery Burial for Secret War Veterans
http://unpo.org/article/20561
https://i.imgur.com/etIh3uD.png
https://i.imgur.com/1C3b3Sw.png
Miencraft, Rateria
current vote is 4-0
Rateria
Controlling immigration is one of the few legitimate functions of the state, so it's not necessarily 'un-libertarian' to support controls. Personally, I think we should have a liberal and lightly regulated legal immigration policy while being strong and aggressive on illegal immigration and border security. Deport all criminal/felon illegal immigrants and allow genuine contributors, Dreamers and hardworking people to stay. I am highly sceptical of Islamic migration and Middle Eastern refugees being imported en mass both for cultural and security reasons. Above all we need assimilation into American culture for immigrants so we can expect them to respect our liberty and the land we love.
Miencraft, Rateria, Skaveria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Well according to some in this region you would be an islamophobic racist
That was a long read
Rateria
Yeah, but now we won't have to pass any more amendments like this for a long time.
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Rateria
Post by The Mutant Free Republic Of Genosha suppressed by a moderator.
Voting Through The Ages | Day 39, [1952]
Notice: I will be looking into the puppets used in '48 because I can confirm Dewey and Thurmond supporters were both using them... They will be weeded out in the results.
Rateria, Marrum Graecia
I voted nay due to;
Amendment VIII, Article I, Section II, Subsection IV
The Executive office, and the commanding officers of the Libertatem Armed Forces serving as part of it, may launch individual military operations without a Senate declaration of war, so long as multiple military operations launched in this way are not against the same target, or targets that are known to be part of the same organization.
Defensive operations - defined as any military operation intended to prevent occupation of a Libertatem or allied region, or to remove foreign occupants from the same - are not bound by this limitation and may be launched freely without Senate permission.
Any commanding officers planning to launch a military operation must state their intent to launch this operation in a place visible to all other commanding officers, where these plans may be discussed. Any commanding officer of higher rank may dismiss the plans outright.
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Amendment VIII, Article I, Section II, Subsection VI
The Libertatem Armed Forces may not be used for any offensive operations on behalf of any foreign region or alliance. Individual members of the Libertatem Armed Forces may freely participate in foreign military operations so long as their participation would not constitute an attack on Libertatem or its allies. Commanding officers in the Libertatem Armed Forces may deny soldiers under them the ability to participate in foreign operations.
If any treaty entered into requires Libertatem to contribute forces to an allied army, any Libertatem Armed Forces servicemen also serving in the allied army will not be considered to be acting on behalf of Libertatem or the LAF during operations conducted by the allied army -
For subsection IV, I think multiple should be defined as more then 2 offensive raids within a 3 month time period.
As forsubsection VIII, I feel that cooperation with allies, joint-raids and more will never have the chance to happen in an official capacity due to this subsection.
Miencraft, Rateria, Marrum Graecia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
The whole "individual members" thing allows soldiers to go sign up for raids under our allies whenever the hell they want to. Because there's that really big convenient allowance, ultimately all that section does is say that when people do that, it's not the LAF.
Also if a CO really wanted to they could go, "well, technically this raid we're doing with our allies isn't on their behalf because [insert reason here]" to just ignore that part entirely.
Rateria
agreed. It is a very poor generalisation. Wealth is a relative term with all of the corrupt and rigged bookkeeping. "Red-States" generally have a lower cost of living that exceeds the cost of wages comparatively. This allows in many cases more disposable income than those trapped in the urban blight of permanent underclasse welfare recipients whose tax-payer supported living is counted positively as wealth.
Lands are less expensive (less people per more land for market forces to play with), food is cheaper, and rarely is their unwanted infrastructure to pay for than plagues urban areas of "Blue-States." "Blue-States" tend to have large urban areas that control the rest of the state which are generally red counties. Red-States tend to be agricultural--land rich and federal reserve note poor. We produce the food, fibers, timber, and minerals (real wealth comes out of the ground) used by the cities. Were we to fail in our production of wealth the cities would fall apocalyptically. Most of my neighbors (including myself) know how to build our own roads and have done so when needed without a freaking inefficient bureaucracy wasting 90c on the dollar and 100s of man-hours of precious time to build the thing for heaven's sake.
If we were to treat commercial banking concerns like regular businesses (banks are one of the few entities that are allowed to claim their assets as liabilities and their liabilities as assets) they would depreciate blue states significantly. Banks also get to force people to show they do not need a loan (if we truly had free enterprise that is) and lay claim to another's assets as collateral which is also wrongly accounted. Banks use Federal Reserve Notes as Dollars (fiat currency) and monetized debt that are not assets but "certificates of indebtedness." The actual wealth of blue-states behind the legerdemain is staggeringly deprecatory compared to productive agricultural states. They are hedging their reckoning by leeching off the real productivity of labor and (actual) industry of their residents and the credit of their resident's children and their children's children. Remove all the Keynesian consumerist obfuscation from the books and the cities (generally blue states) are living in excess of their means and living on borrowed time.
The other big problem is in the 1970s when one of the Circuit Courts ruled that (in violation of the US Constitution and the Constitution of every state in the Union) that states and counties could set up Soviet style "planning commissions." zoning out legitimate industrial business activity in "non-industrial" areas like my entire county. In 20 years all of our industrial infrastructure not state sanctioned from petroleum refineries, distilleries, mints, farm equipment and vehicle production, pipe and metal foundries have been shut down in favor of graft from out of state concentrated in commercial and industrialized zones favoring the banksters, state level croneys, and DC insiders. Get rid of the socialists in our midsts and let us return to our hard work and enterprise regarding our right to business pursuits (before that generation that still knows those skills dies out) and we will thrive without the corrupt statewide good-ole-boy networks and the lawless despotism of the Beltway.
A legitimate Libertarian case can be made regarding property rights as borders logically follow by right of freedom of association as an extension of property rights. The Randian argument in favor of internationalism against nationalism it seems is an artifact of Nationalism by guilt of association (N*zism) being worse somehow than C*mmunism (internationalism). My contention is all forms of socialism are equally evil, and nation states are a legitimate expression politics. My right to my property, and right to choose with whom I associate has primacy over a stranger's demand that I relinquish in some degree or extent either.Re: radical isl*m. Those who show by their ideology and actions a slavish assent to lawlessness (violence) and eternal emissiarial sanction (the Qur'an, hadith, and sharia) of that violence are implacable and intractable in their assertion of the aforementioned presenting a clear and present danger to life, liberty, property and peace. Until they (individually) foreswear their allegiance to the same and abdicate their association to an ideology advocating the wanton disregard for the humanity of others, we are under no obligation to let those who hold to or by their action or inaction tolerate such barbarity into our country, state, county, community, nor upon my property.
Pevvania, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, The Mutant Free Republic Of Genosha
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Trump has tried to defend signing the egregious spending deal by saying that we needed more wasteful spending in exchange for boosting military funding, and that we can somehow fix this by electing more Republicans in the midterms. This is not good enough and a shameful dodge. He should have vetoed any bill that did not reduce the deficit. Our Congress is utterly disgraceful and is gambling with the financial solvency of our economy and government. Trump too should be ashamed. There goes any hope for a balanced budget in this presidency!
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, New Tampa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wweZ7sMT3Yc
Rateria
Only Rand Paul knows whats up. You can't trust anyone else
Pevvania, Rateria, New Tampa
The Phoenix Party
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=neo-icelandic_commonwealth/detail=factbook/id=971035
The Phoenix Party is a catch-all authoritarian nationalist party whose main principle is the state's purpose to act as an instrument of power for the correction of social ills and the prevention of cultural disintegration. The party is open to all nationalists, authoritarians, traditionalists, and reactionaries
Reform 2.0 has launched!
Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa, The Mutant Free Republic Of Genosha
"irrational fear of state power"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html
yeah ok please tell me more about how I should kiss big brother's boots in the name of muh jeebus and muh culture
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, New Tampa, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_in_Pinochet%27s_Chile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela_(2012%E2%80%93present)
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order, New Tampa, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
bro why u so scared the state protects our culture bro chill anarchist...
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, New Tampa, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
Post by The Mutant Free Republic Of Genosha suppressed by a moderator.
wow... u retards actually believe in having rights? cuck libtard millenials... stop being idealistic and realize that u should give absolute power to big brother so he can save jeebus... kids these days...
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
Rateria
[nation=short]Republic of Minerva[/nation], I thought you'd like to know that my uncle the Australian Senator Fraser Anning has formed a voting bloc in the Senate with Cory Bernardi and David Leyonhjelm. The government is actually being sensible and is pushing corporate tax cuts and welfare reforms. Uncle Fraser and Leyonhjelm are some of the only crossbench senators that support either of these! http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/tax-welfare-on-parliament-agenda/news-story/ff87c5d6f4cc186736b32aacdfdb7fc5
Narland, Rateria, Highway Eight
"Trump to demand tough budget cuts for domestic programs" https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-budget-cuts-domestic-programs-403636?lo=ap_a1
A flash of good news or too little too late?
Rateria, Highway Eight
Voluntary exchange is for voluntary CUCKS
Rateria
Woot woot! :)
Rateria
Remember that one time we gave absolute power to one man and it ended up good for everyone?... Please help me, I cannot remember!
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The First Islands, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
Remember that time when the people in charge were the ones with the most knowledge and information, and they shared it with everyone else because they were good, benevolent rulers?
Oh wait that never happened, that was the Catholic Church and they hoarded all the information they could get so that their subjects would be too stupid to question them.
Rateria
Gosh Wil, don't think I have an examples. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with giving one man all the power?
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria
This is not how I envisioned it, but whatever. Reform lives!
Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Rateria
While I disagree with Obama's actions as president, every president deserves respect for the office and by extension a good portrait to remember them by. The portrait of President Obama is garbage and an absolute disgrace.
Miencraft, Rateria
Rateria
I agree, why the hell is he in a bush?
Rateria
Join join join
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=neo-icelandic_commonwealth/detail=factbook/id=971035
If we want to have a chance to defeat the liberal democracy we must be united!
A stronger state for a better tomorrow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html
BETTER TOMORROW
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Last I checked we were not a democracy.
Also, what part of the region isn't working? There doesn't seem to be a real problem that needs to be fixed and all you are doing is trashing a system that is working fine.
Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Rateria
Yeah it's called a representative democracy, which is still a democracy
Go ahead and ignore the realities of your fantasy and delusional ideology and keep spouting rhetoric. Never forget the millions who have died under authoritarian dictators that you wish for.
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight
Libertatem is never officially referred to as a democracy. It's established specifically as a republic in the constitution.
So, no, it's not called a representative democracy. It's called a republic.
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eight
I'm not going to kill you if that's what you think
I don't think that- I think you're endorsing an ideology of murder and torture. You're ignoring the deaths of so many because "muh culture". You don't want to face the fact that authoritarianism kills.
Miencraft, Rateria, Cyborgs And Sentient Machines, Highway Eight
Excuse me? Who's death am I "ignoring" because I want to protect my culture? Having a powerful state acting as a force of good in society doesn't kill, it saves lives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/europe/alexey-navalny-russia-protests-moscow/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
http://humanrightshouse.org/Articles/18964.html
"Saves lives" Yeah... ok. Millions killed under authoritarian rulers. Please continue to spout your nonsense about "protecting culture" and ignore Sean's and my examples.
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eight
It's funny that you post nations that had policies that I have never advocated for, some (relatively) harmless internet censorship, a novel, and then some protest in Russia where a political activist (who was convicted for embezzlement before) was arrested. I don't really see how any of this relates to what I'm saying, so how exactly do you want me to respond to this?
Nazi Germany and The USSR both committed atrocities against humanity (One of which you refused to admit happened ;) ) under authoritarian rule. China enforces it's authoritarian policies through fear and arrests, and so does North Korea, except they literally kill and force their own citizens to work in labor camps. I don't care if you advocate for the countries, by continuing to cling to your pathetic and delusional authoritarian safety blanket, you're refusing to accept that authoritarianism literally kills people. It seems whenever someone presents you with actual evidence, you just can't accept it, no matter how glaring it is.
And no, internet censorship is not harmless, you are stripping someone of the fundamental right to speak their mind. I don't care if your feeling are hurt, the right to freely speak without censorship is one that is integral to our society.
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight
First off. I never "refused to admit" the Holocaust happened. I simply didn't find the evidence you presented at the time to be sufficient. Secondly, I have no idea why you keep talking about China and North Korea, since they have got nothing to do with what I am advocating. You are putting me and my ideas in this group of nations and people that have committed horrific atrocities without any evidence or arguments to back it up whatsoever. That's both insulting and childish. And yeah, internet censorship is pretty harmless when you look at the big picture, at least the way it is in the United Kingdom.
Equating my ideas of using the state as a force of good and to improve the lives of people while at the same protecting my culture and language with Nazism, Communism, or something like that is incredibly naive and quite simply, slander.
Except you are advocating for what they do/did. "using the state as a force of good and to improve the lives of people while at the same protecting my culture and language" Hmmmmm I wonder what angry little men had this idea? If you do not want to be group with the evil ones, stop spouting their ideas.
And dude, don't try to snake your way out of your holocaust denial. Patriots, Venom, Mien, Wil, and I all sent you tons of testimonies, primary documents, and photographic evidence and you still hid from it.
Again, stripping someone of the most fundamental right in all of society is not "harmless". You cannot have western civilization without freedom of speech.
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight
Oh nice. Wanting to use the government to prevent loanwords from entering the language is now the same as Nazism. Got it.
Calling anyone that doesn't agree with your ridiculous minarchist/anarchist ideas a Nazi makes you just like the modern liberals and social justice warriors you keep complaining about. This is simply silly and I am not going to participate in this. Have a nice day
"My ideology uses the same rhetoric that Mussolini and Hitler uses, you are ridiculous for suggesting I am anything like them, and now I will run for an argument I am losing."
Oh nice, call me an anarchist, even though I have advocated for the existence of a state plenty of times. I compare you to a fascist and you run though. Nice, glad to see you can stand up to your own standards. You know, if you actually want to win arguments, try not to have views that have gotten millions killed, and maybe, just maybe, start to accept evidence that doesn't back up your world view.
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight
In case you didn't see. As for the other thing we aren't really arguing about anything, you are just talking about North Korea ans Mussolini and I don't really know how it relates to me or the party platform that I posted
Rateria
If the Russians want to intervene to stop the election of politicians that hate the Constitution and want to end the American experiment in liberty and freedom, then that's fine by me.
Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight
Can we really call something an "experiment" anymore if it's had this degree of success?
Rateria, Highway Eight
Rateria
Citizens of Libertatem.
I am resigning from the Senate and leaving the region.
A few days after Christmas Genosha (Who was the Prime Minister of the Union of Allied States at the time) telegrammed me. He wanted to know what was the best way to hurt Libertatem and if I could be counted on. He offered me a position in his government to sweeten the deal. I said yes.
For the next few days me, Genosha, Houthia, and Handal Ands made a plan to get the password of the International Republican Union. The plan was for me to create a communist puppet, telegram the senators of this region and the president, and tell them that I (the communist puppet) had the password of the IRU. Then I (Lib) was supposed to propose a new password to the President, and use my language skills to create it. It all worked out. Venom took the bait and I had the password. Eventually the password was never used, since Plagentine (who we gave the password to) never used it. Then Jaden asked me to create a new password, and so the plan was out the window. I decided not to leak the new password.
I am ashamed of what I did. I was going to ruin a region that was dear to people that considered me their friend. The same people that have me a second chance when I didn't deserve it. Iam sorry for what I did. I really am. I know I'm not welcome here anymore but I'll just say this: This has been an incredible adventure for me. I am blessed to have been able to spend time with you. We had our disagreements, but that's not what I'm gonna remember from this region. I will remember the jokes, the laughter, the advice, and the kindness that I experienced in this region. I am also going to remember your forgiveness. You took me in after I betrayed your trust. You even voted me into your Senate, for three terms in a row now I think. Thank you. Thank you.
Just so we have an official statement on this:
This counts as a renouncement of citizenship, right?
Also someone kinda has to run for that seat now.
It does. I am leaving the region, unless some miracle happens
Got it.
go away
Jadentopian Order
Hey, every time I get the national faith issue, I pick not to have a national faith because that's stupid and authoritarian, but the faith option being locked in my settings annoys me. To those of you who have unlocked this, do you get to write in a religion and if so could I theoretically write in "no national religion" or "agnosticism" or something like that?
You do get to choose one, yes.
Yeah, the entire point of those issues is to unlock that field as a custom option.
The Zionist Cultural Marxists that control this region killed God. #LibDidNothingWrong
Rateria
Lib got Tatemed
Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Nae nae'd
Rateria, Acelandinisia
Rateria
Once a citizen, im gonna make Jewishism a national ideology fyi
Rateria
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR:
New developments concerning the full extent have brought us evidence of a significant network of puppet nations in the region, and the Chancellor of the Interior wishes to make it absolutely clear that any citizen caught aiding these puppets in their espionage shall be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Treason and espionage are not to be treated lightly. Treason Class A is defined as "Distribution of classified military information". Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
If you have any information regarding puppets and/or spies, please report it directly to the Regional Justice. Regional safety is a top priority, and we are not going to let traitors like the treacherous Libiceland ruin it.
Praise be to the holy oats,
Chancellor of the Interior Jadentopian Order
Miencraft, Rateria, Acelandinisia, Highway Eight
Sorry for raising my voice at you all, but it seems some of us can't seem to let us have nice things in life.
Rateria, Acelandinisia, Highway Eight
Rateria
Let the witch-hunt commence!
Rateria
We got him boys, pack it up
Rateria, Highway Eight
Boi
Rateria
How did you know?
Miencraft, Rateria
Post self-deleted by Acelandinisia.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
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