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Ankha wrote:The redskins issue is repulsive and preposterous.

It's funny because many Natives they polled on the name issue said they don't care.

EVEN MORE OF THEM SAID THEY LIKE THE NAME.

So, basically, however many natives are offended by the name are basically the vast minority, which shouldn't be the ones we base policy off of.

Ankha wrote:The redskins issue is repulsive and preposterous.

The government is forcefully trying to bully an organization into changing their names. Hooray, now there won't be racism. Shut the hell up, you morons. Redskins was never offensive to begin with, it's just an excuse for the government to take away private rights and the ability to run a business. I am fuming, there are not enough words to describe what has happened. We should all be scared, if a business doesn't have a name that the government likes, they take away your tag rights. I could create a washington redskins shirt and make profit off of it right now. I am sick of our government, and I am disappointed in my government. They are suppose to serve the people, but all they care about is serving themselves. I have know this for a long time now, but I just can't stand it anymore.

Miencraft wrote:It's funny because many Natives they polled on the name issue said they don't care.

EVEN MORE OF THEM SAID THEY LIKE THE NAME.

I KNOW!!

Miencraft wrote:So, basically, however many natives are offended by the name are basically the vast minority, which shouldn't be the ones we base policy off of.

Our government...

Right-Winged Nation wrote:The government is forcefully trying to bully an organization into changing their names. Hooray, now there won't be racism. Shut the hell up, you morons. Redskins was never offensive to begin with, it's just an excuse for the government to take away private rights and the ability to run a business. I am fuming, there are not enough words to describe what has happened. We should all be scared, if a business doesn't have a name that the government likes, they take away your tag rights. I could create a washington redskins shirt and make profit off of it right now. I am sick of our government, and I am disappointed in my government. They are suppose to serve the people, but all they care about is serving themselves. I have know this for a long time now, but I just can't stand it anymore.

It is outrageous. It is basically censorship.

Miencraft wrote:So, basically, however many natives are offended by the name are basically the vast minority, which shouldn't be the ones we base policy off of.

I don't think it is about that, I think that the government is using that as an excuse to get what they want

Ankha wrote:I KNOW!!Our government...It is outrageous. It is basically censorship.

So the Redskins will more than likely have to change their name because they no longer own their tag rights, how sickening is that?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I don't think it is about that, I think that the government is using that as an excuse to get what they want

Which is my point.

Miencraft wrote:Which is my point.

So what's next, the Cleveland Indians? The Flordia Seminoles? The Fighting Irish? The Cleveland Browns? This is very dangerous precendent that has been set. Our government has told us that we can take away your private market rights and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. You know, this is the kinda of bullshit that happens in Socialism and Communism.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:So what's next, the Cleveland Indians? The Flordia Seminoles? The Fighting Irish? The Cleveland Browns? This is very dangerous precendent that has been set. Our government has told us that we can take away your private market rights and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. You know, this is the kinda of bullshit that happens in Socialism and Communism.

And then after they've done all that, they'll take away our own self-identity and mandate that everyone be known as and referred to by some numerical identifier.

Man, you know how those people write those books that are just totally fictional and really don't seem to have any relation to reality at the time they're written? Well, they do now.

In fact, I predict that the events of Glenn Beck's Agenda 21 will occur by the end of 2020.

This prediction also means that Atlas Shrugged is currently happening.

Miencraft wrote:And then after they've done all that, they'll take away our own self-identity and mandate that everyone be known as and referred to by some numerical identifier.

Man, you know how those people write those books that are just totally fictional and really don't seem to have any relation to reality at the time they're written? Well, they do now.

I know, who would have thought that fiction would have became reality.

Oh. The Hunger Games will be a thing by 2036.

Just watch.

Miencraft wrote:Oh. The Hunger Games will be a thing by 2036.

Just watch.

It would not suprise me, this country is heading for hell if something is not done now

Miencraft wrote:And then after they've done all that, they'll take away our own self-identity and mandate that everyone be known as and referred to by some numerical identifier.

Man, you know how those people write those books that are just totally fictional and really don't seem to have any relation to reality at the time they're written? Well, they do now.

I got an NS issue with that option recently. :P

Miencraft wrote:Oh. The Hunger Games will be a thing by 2036.

Just watch.

Ha.

What did you say to do?

Ankha wrote:Huh?

What option did you choose for the issue?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:What option did you choose for the issue?

A man by the name of &%*\@# Smith hit the headlines yesterday when he had his first name legally changed to 'John', citing the ridicule and stress he suffered because of his given name. Mr Smith publicly commented afterwards that there should be more restrictions on what parents can name their children.

The Debate

"People do so love to be different," says Insert Name Here, with a heavy sigh. "I don't know what my folks were thinking when they named me. Probably about how 'novel' and 'with it' they were being, but I didn't get a say in it did I? Growing up in my neighbourhood with the first name 'Insert' wasn't fun at all I can tell you! The government should set up a registry of recognised names that are clean, sensible, and non-teasable. Kids deserve better."

Accept

"It's none of the government's business what I name my daughter," says Follicle Rainbow Gooseknob, cradling [expletive deleted] in her arms. "Are you going to tell us what to think next? Where to go? Who to love? I don't want some grey-faced bureaucrat deciding what name is appropriate for my child! What kind of country hates personal freedom so much you can't even choose your own name?"

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

"Names? Names are so inefficient!" Says Five-Oh-Three McGoohan, counting beads. "Who can honestly tell one Beth Janssen from another? That name's so popular now, I met three people at the mall with it just last week! Face it! Names are old-hat! Everyone ought to go by a government-allocated ID number instead, much more practical. Who could make fun of a child named Six-Eight-Four?"

Accept

Ya. People deserve their rights. INCLUDING DANNY SNYDER!

Ankha wrote:Ya. People deserve their rights. INCLUDING DANNY SNYDER!

ha

Ankha wrote:Its true.

I know, I know

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I know, I know

ROBERT CRAFT! ROBERT CRAFT! ROBERT CRAFT! ROBERT CRAFT!

GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!

Ankha wrote:ROBERT CRAFT! ROBERT CRAFT! ROBERT CRAFT! ROBERT CRAFT!

GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!GO PATS!!

hahaha.

Tatem smash em commies,

socialists, nazis and monarchists too,

We always win in the end,

because libertatem I love you

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Tatem smash em commies,

socialists, nazis and monarchists too,

We always win in the end,

because libertatem I love you

Is this some weird poem??

Ankha wrote:Is this some weird poem??

It does have a ring to it though

Miencraft wrote:In fact, I predict that the events of Glenn Beck's Agenda 21 will occur by the end of 2020.

This was the book that tuned me completely off Glenn beck. What a waste of paper

Lack There Of wrote:This was the book that tuned me completely off Glenn beck. What a waste of paper

This on the hand,

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/coming-2015-ayn-rands-lost-142216400.html

This is pretty neat

Lack There Of wrote:This on the hand,

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/coming-2015-ayn-rands-lost-142216400.html

This is pretty neat

It is pretty neat

So there was a big update to Team Fortress 2 with new hats and all.

I craft #34 of one of them.

I'm exactly one of two people in the world who must now come up with a porn joke related to this hat.

Also, I'm off to bed.

Miencraft wrote:Also, I'm off to bed.

With the hat

Lack There Of wrote:With the hat

Yes, with the porn hat.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Yay, porn hat

I'm waiting for the #69 to emerge somewhere. It's basically gold for unique number collectors.

Ok I am done, the traitor of the United States just told congress that he does not need new permission to deal with iraq.

Legislation is already so bad, most americans don't even support congress.

Which is why I should be Emperor of America!

I am disapointed in his descision

You know, the Battle Hymn of the Republic is one badass song.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You know, the Battle Hymn of the Republic is one badass song.

True dat Holmes

I agree, RWN, the whole Redskins issue is utterly ridiculous. Its owners have made it painfully, painfully clear that it does not offend Native Americans, most of whom actually like the name. This is just another example of bitchy white people trying to define what is and what isn't racist to another group.

And the revocation of the Redskins' trademarks has to be a violation of the First Amendment.

I know. They stripped my baseball team, the Braves of its identity too.

Abolish copyright. Problem solved.

I think the Administration might need a new Attorney-General. As much as I value [nation=short]Rotgeheim[/nation] and his contributions to the region, he's been largely inactive since his appointment.

Pevvania wrote:I think the Administration might need a new Attorney-General. As much as I value [nation=short]Rotgeheim[/nation] and his contributions to the region, he's been largely inactive since his appointment.

I agree.

Northern Prussia wrote:He has a GF

Living a life is not tolerated in the Glorious People's Republic of Pevvanistan. Prepare to be banjected, and then banjected from TRR even though it's impossible.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Living a life is not tolerated in the Glorious People's Republic of Pevvanistan. Prepare to be banjected, and then banjected from TRR even though it's impossible.

Looool!

All hail President Pev!

Still doing the map and also flag commissions guys.

Pevvania wrote:I think the Administration might need a new Attorney-General. As much as I value [nation=short]Rotgeheim[/nation] and his contributions to the region, he's been largely inactive since his appointment.
Muh Roads wrote:I agree.

Ya, it kinda wrecks the whole "justice department" thing......

Ill temporarily do it if you like..

Pevvania wrote:I agree, RWN, the whole Redskins issue is utterly ridiculous. Its owners have made it painfully, painfully clear that it does not offend Native Americans, most of whom actually like the name. This is just another example of bitchy white people trying to define what is and what isn't racist to another group.

And the revocation of the Redskins' trademarks has to be a violation of the First Amendment.

It is outrageous

Northern Prussia wrote:I know. They stripped my baseball team, the Braves of its identity too.

Of course they did.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Living a life is not tolerated in the Glorious People's Republic of Pevvanistan. Prepare to be banjected, and then banjected from TRR even though it's impossible.

Ha!

Miencraft wrote:Still doing the map and also flag commissions guys.

Hmm? What?

I am at extreme anger, I hope that the owner fights and gets everything back. Taking away trademarks because it's "racist". Give me a break

Ban Oklahoma. Oklahoma is choctaw for "red people".

If you don't your a racist.

Muh Roads wrote:Ban Oklahoma. Oklahoma is choctaw for "red people".

How about the Clevland Indians? Their mascot is offensive. The Fighting Irish is racist against people from Ireland. Government to the rescue, we will take away your private market rights and destroy your business because you have become to successful, we will your name being racist an excuse.

Muh Roads wrote:If you don't your a racist.

Ooh, how about the Clevland Browns? That's really racist.

Ankha wrote:Hmm? What?

I'm the one making the regional map at the moment, and I also do free flag commissions.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:How about the Clevland Indians? Their mascot is offensive. The Fighting Irish is racist against people from Ireland. Government to the rescue, we will take away your private market rights and destroy your business because you have become to successful, we will your name being racist an excuse.

Irish isn't a race it's a nationality =P

Also my post was sarcasm.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I am at extreme anger, I hope that the owner fights and gets everything back. Taking away trademarks because it's "racist". Give me a break

And shouldnt happen in this country!

Muh Roads wrote:Ban Oklahoma. Oklahoma is choctaw for "red people".

I know! BAN OKLAHOMA!! *riots capital building*

Right-Winged Nation wrote:How about the Clevland Indians? Their mascot is offensive. The Fighting Irish is racist against people from Ireland. Government to the rescue, we will take away your private market rights and destroy your business because you have become to successful, we will your name being racist an excuse.

Yup; its like Atlas Shrugged, they're basically wrecking our successful big business. NEWS FLASH: THEY BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP TOO!!

Miencraft wrote:I'm the one making the regional map at the moment, and I also do free flag commissions.

Oh, can I get one of those map spots? :)

And I make flags too. Notice the floydian spread. I made RWNs new flag too, as well as mine and my puppets.

Muh Roads wrote:Irish isn't a race it's a nationality =P

Also my post was sarcasm.

I am being sarcasic too, I'm not serious.

I was really angry, had to turn on Dark Side of the Moon to mellow out

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I am being sarcasic too, I'm not serious.

I just find it disgusting we have gotten to this point.

Ankha wrote:Oh, can I get one of those map spots?

Sure, location and color and you're all set.

Freedom is merely privilege, unless extended to all.

Guess what communal, in a libertarian society, everyone will be able to practice polygamy!*

*marriage contracts not included

No one would be protected. The minorities and marginalized would be open to abuse as the majority sees fit. In a libertarian Society, the white, middle class males will hold all political power, like in Greece.

Communal Militia wrote:No one would be protected. The minorities and marginalized would be open to abuse as the majority sees fit. In a libertarian Society, the white, middle class males will hold all political power, like in Greece.

EDIT: Ancient Greece

Communal Militia wrote:No one would be protected. The minorities and marginalized would be open to abuse as the majority sees fit. In a libertarian Society, the white, middle class males will hold all political power, like in Greece.

You realize that using Ancient Greece as an argument is invalid, since there were numerous different political systems occurring simultaneously in the area and time period.

Er, as an example.

Communal Militia wrote:No one would be protected. The minorities and marginalized would be open to abuse as the majority sees fit. In a libertarian Society, the white, middle class males will hold all political power, like in Greece.

“You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means”

That was just one example. Another one being an example of a "Libertarian" society, America in the earlier years of its time. The marginalized will always slip into the cracks of society, and the white middle class will have the political say, while the economic elite having the last and final say in everything.

Such a society worked when there was only a billion people living in the world and no one really came into america other than europeans and slaves, but now such a society is not an option. There are too many ethnic and economic groups now and now you cannot simply let the market/elite run everything as we had in the beginning.

Communal Militia wrote:That was just one example. Another one being an example of a "Libertarian" society, America in the earlier years of its time. The marginalized will always slip into the cracks of society, and the white middle class will have the political say, while the economic elite having the last and final say in everything.

Such a society worked when there was only a billion people living in the world and no one really came into america other than europeans and slaves, but now such a society is not an option. There are too many ethnic and economic groups now and now you cannot simply let the market/elite run everything as we had in the beginning.

But you do realize that we can't replace the American economic system? It's too late for that.

Miencraft wrote:Federalism and a command economy are mutually exclusive. In order to transition into socialism, we would need to abandon our federal system and totally centralize all aspects of the country. The basis of America does not permit this to happen, and therefore it is impossible to introduce socialism and communism to the United States. The Constitution and an educated populace will ensure that this remains impossible.

Miencraft wrote:But you do realize that we can't replace the American economic system? It's too late for that.

That's a fairly bleak outlook on the future. While immediate change is neither realistic nor desirable, I would hope that if the right steps were taken a true free market system could be archived by any society over a reasonable time frame, including the US.

Lack There Of wrote:That's a fairly bleak outlook on the future. While immediate change is neither realistic nor desirable, I would hope that if the right steps were taken a true free market system could be archived by any society over a reasonable time frame, including the US.

Well, that's more optimization than replacement, in my eyes. Fixing something isn't the same as replacing it.

I would argue the constitution does not allow for a true free market and the current system would need replaced for that objective to be achieved

Communal Militia wrote:That was just one example. Another one being an example of a "Libertarian" society, America in the earlier years of its time. The marginalized will always slip into the cracks of society, and the white middle class will have the political say, while the economic elite having the last and final say in everything.

Such a society worked when there was only a billion people living in the world and no one really came into america other than europeans and slaves, but now such a society is not an option. There are too many ethnic and economic groups now and now you cannot simply let the market/elite run everything as we had in the beginning.

Uh, Greece was a republic

Ah The illusion of the free market...

Lack There Of wrote:I would argue the constitution does not allow for a true free market and the current system would need replaced for that objective to be achieved

Does the constitution even metion that?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Does the constitution even metion that?

I can look for it, if you want me to?

Fontes Iuris Germanici Antiqu wrote:I can look for it, if you want me to?

Can you, I can't quite recall if that is metioned or not?

Communal Militia wrote:Ah The illusion of the free market...

It's what we need

Right-Winged Nation wrote:It's what we need

If you want market need to exceed the actual amount of a resource. If you want everyone to believe that all resources are unlimited and infinite.

Miencraft wrote:Sure, location and color and you're all set.

Ah..Can I see the map to pick?

Lack There Of wrote:“You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means”

"You kill my father. Prepare to die!"

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Does the constitution even metion that?

It's entire purpose is to outline a governing apparatus.

Communal Militia wrote:Ah The illusion of the free market...

Ah yes, that delusional thought that individuals can interact peacefully on a voluntary basis with an arbitrary third party using force to enforce the will of another group. What a butter pipe dream

Lack There Of wrote:Ah yes, that delusional thought that individuals can interact peacefully on a voluntary basis with an arbitrary third party using force to enforce the will of another group. What a butter pipe dream

Ha. Indeed.

Communal Militia wrote:If you want market need to exceed the actual amount of a resource. If you want everyone to believe that all resources are unlimited and infinite.

Free market is as utopian as pure communism in contemporary society. Market need will always exceed the given amount of a resource. It will always take more and more until nothing is left. It will always have high concentrations of distribution in the places where there is the most money, where it is almost non existent in places with no money. With an unlimited span of the market, it will exempt everyone who has no money from it, and it will always benefit the people with the most. It will always starve and deplete whatever is in its way. Its capitalist monopolization plain and simple.

Lack There Of wrote:It's entire purpose is to outline a governing apparatus.

Communal, what is so wrong with people being free?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Communal, what is so wrong with people being free?

"Uh...uh.....These people are incompetent. (Yes, thats it) And they cant be trusted to run the government."

LOL

Lack There Of wrote:It's entire purpose is to outline a governing apparatus.

I was speaking in terms of ammendments, is there a specific ammendment on free markets, I can't quite remember.

Ankha wrote:"Uh...uh.....These people are incompetent. (Yes, thats it) And they cant be trusted to run the government."

LOL

Oh yes, because we are simpled minded fools who needs someone to hold our hands and control everything(sarcasm to the max)

Of course. (serious to the sarcastic max)

Ankha wrote:Ah..Can I see the map to pick?

Link is up top in the WFE.

Ankha wrote:Of course. (serious to the sarcastic max)

Because when government gets involved, everything works out for the best. Oh, wait a minute.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I was speaking in terms of ammendments, is there a specific ammendment on free markets, I can't quite remember.

Literally all of them

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