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Zeouria wrote:Hey, man. Are you suggesting killing non-mainstream music?

since when did rick astley become mainstream

Zeouria wrote:It's [I]supposed[/I] to be inexpensive. True socialized healthcare is cheap and open to all. Of course, a state never follows such a thing.

By definition, it's not. It can never be cheap when its funded by the state.

Zeouria wrote:Libertarian Socialists advocate whatever they can that will help people in Capitalism. So, getting rid of the draft was a big thing. They weren't advotating Anarchism during those protests, they're advocating killing off the draft, in order to make men's lives better. (A a women's life less stressful)

Then that entirely defeats the point of so-called "libertarian socialism". It's just siding with the state to exert even more control over people. The only type of "libertarian socialist" is a voluntary leftist that wants to destroy - or minimise to the point of irrelevance - the state, and will work with fellow libertarians to do so.

Lack There Of wrote:Great music/ videos. Its what the people wanted, freedom from the rick-rolling oppression

I would do it again to keep us safe

Pevvania wrote:By definition, it's not. It can never be cheap when its funded by the state.

Then that entirely defeats the point of so-called "libertarian socialism". It's just siding with the state to exert even more control over people. The only type of "libertarian socialist" is a voluntary leftist that wants to destroy - or minimise to the point of irrelevance - the state, and will work with fellow libertarians to do so.

Lack There Of wrote:http://cdn.meme.li/instances/23266068.jpg

Pevvania wrote:I would do it again to keep us safe

no next term for pev

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Zeouria wrote:How is killing off the draft siding with the state? How is siding with legalization of marijuana, siding with the state? How is siding with gay marriage, siding with the state? How is being anti-war, siding with the state? I can go on and on.

As for socialized healthcare, I disagree with it. It just pisses me off when people talk about obamacare as if it's actual socialized healthcare, when, as you stated, it's just corporatist. It's the state siding with corporations.

"So-called Libertarian Socialism"?

I'm referring to libertarian socialists advocating for state healthcare. You're either with the state, or against it.

Pevvania wrote:You're either with the state, or against it.

yeah, screw those minarchists, objectivists, LP libertarians, and well meaning small government voters [/notruescotsman]

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Zeouria wrote:Let's say socialized healthcare was a good thing. Let's say it legitamently 100% was good for the average working person.

Let's say the moon was made of cheese, I still wouldn't want the state to fund nasa even if it meant i would get a huge chunk of moon cheese delivered to my door on a regular basis. It comes down to the "working people" would simply be allowing violence to take wealth from the "not working people(?)" which is a morally atrocious thing

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Zeouria wrote:Let's say socialized healthcare was a good thing. Let's say it legitamently 100% was good for the average working person.

Zeouria wrote:You're arguing fantasy.

Zeouria wrote:

The Libertarian Socialist movement, is a workers movement. And, working class people make up the majority in every country of the world.

So this majority justifies the use of force to reallocate wealth to the "workers"

Lack There Of wrote:yeah, screw those minarchists, objectivists, LP libertarians, and well meaning small government voters [/notruescotsman]

You know what I mean. You can't be for anarchism but at the same time be for more government. It's completely paradoxical.

Zeouria wrote:Let's say socialized healthcare was a good thing. Let's say it legitamently 100% was good for the average working person. Wouldn't it be contradictory for a movement that is meant to help the working class, to be against it other than the fact it enlargens government? If this were to happen, they wouldn't be siding with the state, but with the wellbeing of working people.

It would be completely contradictory. "Left-anarchists" should be sticking to their principles and arguing that a stateless society would be the most desirable option for working people. And when it comes to healthcare, the best option for poor people is most certainly to have a fully private system. If you propose expanding the state then you want it emboldened. If you truly want anarchy, then you should want the state minimised by any means possible.

I like ice cream, and I'm sure that ice cream would be good for the happiness of all people, but I'm not prepared to advocate mass roberry in order to give "free" ice cream to other people. Coerced redistribution of wealth is the most immoral, and most often the least efficient, form of economic planning. If you want healthcare for all, then YOU should work for it, and actually go out and help people, rather than voting to rob your neighbour at the barrel of a gun to give it to the dude on the street.

Pevvania wrote:You know what I mean.

i kid, i kid

Zeouria wrote:Like WWII. Everyone thought it were necessary to fight Germany, even though Germany never attacked the US until after war was waged. Libertarian Socialists weren't siding with the state, rather siding with the wellbeing of the world. :p

"As an anarcho-capitalist, I wasn't siding with the state to spend $1 trillion, throw away thousands of soldiers' lives and create a mass surveillance state when I supported the War in Iraq. I was siding with the good of the people, and because my overlords told me that Saddam had nukes"

This is just like the admin on the Facebook page 'Anarchist Memes' arguing for the FDA. You're either a believer in force and coercion, or you're not.

Pevvania wrote:This is just like the admin on the Facebook page 'Anarchist Memes' arguing for the FDA. You're either a believer in force and coercion, or you're not.

but without the FDA they will put rat poison in muh bread, milk, meat, candy, fish, and then turn all the plants into GMO bombs to pray chem trails out when i poke them with a fork!

Lack There Of wrote:but without the FDA they will put rat poison in muh bread, milk, meat, candy, fish, and then turn all the plants into GMO bombs to pray chem trails out when i poke them with a fork!

I hate the FDA.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I hate the FDA.

then you must hate children

Lack There Of wrote:then you must hate children

How?

Lack There Of wrote:but without the FDA they will put rat poison in muh bread, milk, meat, candy, fish, and then turn all the plants into GMO bombs to pray chem trails out when i poke them with a fork!

GAWD BLESS THE REGULATORS 4 PROTECTING US FROM THE EVIL CORPORATIONS THAT JUST WANT TO MURDER US ALL FOR PROFIT!!!!111

Pevvania wrote:GAWD BLESS THE REGULATORS 4 PROTECTING US FROM THE EVIL CORPORATIONS THAT JUST WANT TO MURDER US ALL FOR PROFIT!!!!111

The FDA, they upset me.

Pevvania wrote:GAWD BLESS THE REGULATORS 4 PROTECTING US FROM THE EVIL CORPORATIONS THAT JUST WANT TO MURDER US ALL FOR PROFIT!!!!111

#democracyprobs

Right-Winged Nation wrote:How?

the fda is the only thing protecting us against those evil capitalists who would force feed us poison to make a profit

Lack There Of wrote:the fda is the only thing protecting us against those evil capitalists who would force feed us poison to make a profit

Right, because animal fat in food is a plot that capitalists try to use but was luckily shut down. Now they use vegetable oil which is actually ten times worse, go FDA, save us.

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Zeouria wrote:

Again...

And now, we're arguing a fantasy I made up. :p

moral of the story, kill your imagination young

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Zeouria wrote:I eat food all the time that says "not approved by the FDA" on a sticker in the front.

It was gross how they processed meat during the early 1900's. But now, I suppose, that isn't an issue. And again, a person would write a book entitled "the jungle II".

Common misconception, the jungle was nearly entirely fictional. Speaking of someone who should have avoided making up a fantasy situation

http://libertymaven.com/2010/06/08/the-truth-about-the-jungle-by-upton-sinclair/9929/

Lack There Of wrote:Common misconception, the jungle was nearly entirely fictional. Speaking of someone who should have avoided making up a fantasy situation

Someone did his research.

Liberosia wrote:Someone did his research.

and it wasn't Sinclair

Anyone have party ideas for this nation.

I've got 3...

Mormon People's Party (Majority Party: Religious Reactionary)

Liberal Party (Minor Party: Secular Classical Liberalism)

Anti-Mormon Party (Minor Party: Socialist Atheism)

The AMP is conservative not Socialist

The State Of Deseret wrote:

Anti-Mormon Party (Minor Party: Socialist Atheism)

Literally a Mormon theocracy, why would this even be allowed

Lack There Of wrote:Literally a Mormon theocracy, why would this even be allowed

The State of Deseret....was a proposed Mormon Theocracy. But due to the Mormon War we ended up joining America as a state.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Mormon_War

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War

The Time Alliance wrote:The State of Deseret....was a proposed Mormon Theocracy. But due to the Mormon War we ended up joining America as a state.

I am familiar with the actual "state" of Deseret and its tumultuous downfall. i was assuming this was entirely fictional. If you're going to go historically why even make up parties?

Lack There Of wrote:I am familiar with the actual "state" of Deseret and its tumultuous downfall. i was assuming this was entirely fictional. If you're going to go historically why even make up parties?

Those were parties.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_(Utah)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(Utah)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Party_(Utah)

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I hate the FDA.

I miss trans fats.

The Time Alliance wrote:Those were parties.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_(Utah)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(Utah)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Party_(Utah)

Then why are you asking us about our opinions if this is based on historical facts

Lack There Of wrote:Then why are you asking us about our opinions if this is based on historical facts

Because. I want some fake parties too. It's not historically accurate besides the place and parties and maybe leaders

The Time Alliance wrote:Because. I want some fake parties too. It's not historically accurate besides the place and parties and maybe leaders

Then i demand the pastafarians get a party

Lack There Of wrote:Then i demand the pastafarians get a party

Da heck? Realistic....seriously.

The Time Alliance wrote:Da heck? Realistic....seriously.

make up your mind. I'm getting mixed messages here

Lack There Of wrote:make up your mind. I'm getting mixed messages here

Not Historical

but Realistic

The Time Alliance wrote:Not Historical

but Realistic

How about the "Back to the East" Coalition. Kind of like back to Africa, but for Mormons

Lack There Of wrote:How about the "Back to the East" Coalition. Kind of like back to Africa, but for Mormons

Hmmm...

The Time Alliance wrote:Hmmm...

you know you want to. "We'll go back east and from where we began and break a bunch of windows and s*** to show them who's the true choose people"

Lack There Of wrote:you know you want to. "We'll go back east and from where we began and break a bunch of windows and s*** to show them who's the true choose people"

*choosen

Also. TTA is about to become my secondary account. Imma use State of Deseret as a main I think.

The Time Alliance wrote:*choosen

Also. TTA is about to become my secondary account. Imma use State of Deseret as a main I think.

You can take the nation out of Tatem', but in a much more real and literal sense you literally cant even

I'm back. How goes the trial?

Humpheria wrote:I'm back. How goes the trial?

lol, justice isnt that swift in Tatem' We're still waiting on the jury to confirm their participation. On a personal note i would request you check your tgs

Lack There Of wrote:You can take the nation out of Tatem', but in a much more real and literal sense you literally cant even

Huh?

The Time Alliance wrote:Huh?

you said you were switching your main nation to Deseret, which is here

Lack There Of wrote:lol, justice isnt that swift in Tatem' We're still waiting on the jury to confirm their participation. On a personal note i would request you check your tgs

Do we even have a judge?

Lack There Of wrote:lol, justice isnt that swift in Tatem' We're still waiting on the jury to confirm their participation. On a personal note i would request you check your tgs

Yeah, that's something I did. Not gonna lie, not overjoyed about it.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Do we even have a judge?

Lack, if I am not mistaken.

Humpheria wrote:Lack, if I am not mistaken.

correct

Humpheria wrote:Lack, if I am not mistaken.

Hmm, and he will more than likely be found guilty.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Hmm, and he will more than likely be found guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty, my good man.

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Zeouria wrote:Who's on trial? And why?

Einsiev. Refer to the Justice Department.

Lack There Of wrote:you said you were switching your main nation to Deseret, which is here

Move TTA here then move SoD to CFN.

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Right-Winged Nation wrote:Hmm, and he will more than likely be found guilty.

that assumes we will have an actual jury to proceed with

Zeouria wrote:Also, when am I allowed to become a citizen? I've been here for a very long time and have been very active. (And I'm not really an ambassador anymore, I don't really care about my other account much these days)

you betray the revolution with such blasphemy

Zeouria wrote:Also, when am I allowed to become a citizen? I've been here for a very long time and have been very active. (And I'm not really an ambassador anymore, I don't really care about my other account much these days)

If you've been here for 30 days, you need to apply with Mien.

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Zeouria wrote:I've been here for months.

What?

Then you have to apply with Mien.

It has been a very long day.

Humpheria wrote:It has been a very long day.

Good night, errbody.

Humpheria wrote:It has been a very long day.

wanna talk about it

*sits down on futon just close enough that its half a hair to akward

Lack There Of wrote:wanna talk about it

*sits down on futon just close enough that its half a hair to akward

I wanna sleep.

Looks like I might have to re-roll some numbers tomorrow... Liberosia is the only confirmed jury member thusfar.

Muh Roads wrote:Looks like I might have to re-roll some numbers tomorrow... Liberosia is the only confirmed jury member thusfar.

Lack There Of wrote:wanna talk about it

*sits down on futon just close enough that its half a hair to akward

I've got a strong feeling that your psychiatric sessions wouldn't help my burning anger towards big government.

*pokes Pev, Humpy, and CI*

Y'all three need to do yo factbooks, gurl.

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I'm going to try something fun...

Miencraft wrote:*pokes Pev, Humpy, and CI*

Y'all three need to do yo factbooks, gurl.

I'll get on it.

The Time Alliance wrote:I'm going to try something fun...

F is for friends who do stuff together, U is for you and me, N is for anywhere and any time at all!

Wow, looking back that sounds kinda wrong. Adulthood ruined my life.

Muh Roads wrote:F is for friends who do stuff together, U is for you and me, N is for anywhere and any time at all!

Wow, looking back that sounds kinda wrong. Adulthood ruined my life.

...Why...F*** my childhood.

My office is done. But I can't put it up because I am non-executive.

AMERICAN FOOTBALL STARTS IT'S FIRST SUNDAY TODAY, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Muh Roads wrote:F is for friends who do stuff together, U is for you and me, N is for anywhere and any time at all!

Wow, looking back that sounds kinda wrong. Adulthood ruined my life.

No wonder Plankton wasn't for it. 0_0

Humpheria wrote:My office is done. But I can't put it up because I am non-executive.

Bribe Lib into doing it for you, obviously.

Office of the President is now open to the public. Visiting hours are 9-5. Bring the stuff, I got the money.

My region just invented my next ideology.

Humpheria wrote:Office of the President is now open to the public. Visiting hours are 9-5. Bring the stuff, I got the money.

Love it!!!!

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/suggestive-quotes.html

Humpheria wrote:Office of the President is now open to the public. Visiting hours are 9-5. Bring the stuff, I got the money.

I like how you just toss it right over to me.

Miencraft wrote:I like how you just toss it right over to me.

You gotta have some job.

Humpheria wrote:You gotta have some job.

My job is poking you and telling you what to do, obviously.

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