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Region: Libertatem
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Why not remove one board member (chair) making four seats and have the Vice President president of the senate
Senate *Board
Yay our friendly regional Anarchist!
Cuz we dont want ties. (Hence 5 is odd...)
Well like in the us Senate I believe the board is the tie breaker.
Because the Board is totally elected and their Chairman is chosen by them amongst themselves. The Vice President is just this totally random person that the guy that wants to be President campaigns with.
Someone has claimed California! Yay! Arms nukes*
Fun fact: I have, in my possession an edited flag for every major office in Libertatem. (Not the old Paint ones I did)
the moment of contraception is just cells coming together and multiplying, that up until a specific amount of weeks doesn't even resemble a human. so therefore i argue that until around 8 weeks the cells are not alive, just a tumour like group of cells in the womb. at 8 weeks The embryo becomes a foetus, with all structures present in rudimentary form and the spinal cord and brain are developing. prior to this the cells cannot feel pain and have no consciousness.
Please, answer my previous question:
Being concious and/or being able to survive away from the being it was born from
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Elaborate, please.
You better answer miencraft. Brings out the Mien Guard*
-_- im not going any further, your one of those republicans, im not any biological exert or doctor but im not dumb enough to think that soon as an egg and a sperm meet there is instant life. it takes time and growth before life is there. like i said around 8 weeks because the heart is beating, there is the human form and the baby is just beginning to move and the brain and spinal cord are developing.
It is the very beginning of life. You are baking a cake. It does not just become cake when it is done.
No, I'm one of those scientific types.
You need to explain to me more what you mean by your qualifications for life, because, to me, the qualifications for life are:
-Can metabolize
-Contains genetic material
And pretty much every cell has those traits. I think the sex cells don't have mitochondria, but they don't really need to since they just carry the genetic material. They just float.
Also, fun fact: I identify more with the Libertarians than the Republicans (isidewith agrees, puts me at 97% agreement with the Libertarian platform).
it does, you have the eggs, self raising flour, butter,ect when it is mixed it becomes batter or cake mix, only after baking does it become cake.
i didnt say you where one of those scientific types
but its not alive its just functioning, life is more that basic functions.
I know you didn't. I corrected you.
If something is performing the basic functions of life, it is automatically alive and living because it is physically impossible for a non-living thing to carry out those functions.
But life is being stopped from getting a chance to form which is terrible. Listen, I don't support it, but since Surpreme Court made it a law, and as long as it is not at the taxpayers' expense, then there is nothing anyone can do.
by that logic robots are alive? what about a piece of meat with no conciseness or head that is being worked by machines to simulate life does that make it alive?
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I, personally, have no idea where to stand on abortion, honestly. On one hand, it's an organism growing inside of you. If you want to get rid of it, you should be able to do so.
On the other hand, it's an organism.
As a compromise, for now I'd be 100% in favor of abortion limited to cases of rape (because rape) or endangerment of the mother (say the zygote implants itself in the fallopian tube. If it grows too big, that's death) because that's how my moral code works.
Rape Baby's? children born into unfit homes/family? unwanted children? children being born into pain and suffering that would lead miserable short lives?
there is not much worse than being Unwanted, being resented because of where you came from or living a painful life which you know will be cut short. is it not kinder and more humane to stop this?
Do you know what metabolism is?
Obviously not, please go look it up in a dictionary before you try to argue with me on that.
A slab of meat, though dead, is technically living because it is a sample of tissue of a living thing.
There's a difference between being alive and being a living thing.
Being alive means you're actively carrying out metabolism.
Being a living thing means you can now or previously did carry out metabolism.
Once again, a disembodied head is indeed a living thing for the same reason as above.
Is it alive? If the machines are allowing it to metabolize, yes.
Also, I noticed that I've been using "metabolism" in the place of "respiration".
Same thing, technically, but metabolism is the larger process, respiration is just the oxygen and glucose into molecules used for energy.
so because plants would fit into your criteria , is it wrong to kill plants?
Contraception is the act of murdering a fetus. You have just contradicted yourself in the largest way possible. Fetus.
You meant expert, I hope.
I would love for you to prove that an early term fetus does not feel pain, have primal sense (any sense, not just cognition), or feels anything for that matter. How would you be able to prove that they do not feel pain or any other feeling. I would adore it if you could cite a source.
Even from the most horrible backrounds, any human can make something of himself. Do you know how many people had horrible beginnings? Some of them succeeded, some of them failed. Either way, I don't think that life should be stopped. Now, if a woman was raped, then of course she has the right to do it because she didn't ask for the child. If it will threaten her life, then it must be taken care of. However, I don't agree with getting preganent from unprotected consensual sex and then wanting to get rid of that child due to idiocy. However, since Supreme Court made it a law, and since I am a libertarian who supports individual freedoms, I don't argue this issue. What sets me off is when women use taxpayer money because they were to stupid or their loser boyfriends or one night stand buddies decided to not use protection. I am not going to continue this, but that is what I feel.
I was never talking about the morality of killing anything. All I was arguing was the criteria for life.
But, since you decided to bring it up:
As far as non-humans go, I don't give a damn about killing anything that was grown for the purpose of food, medicine, manufacturing, or science, or that is killed with the intent of keeping populations in check (which is what most hunting for sport is) or providing food (since we can very well get food from wild animals and plants).
As far as humans, there's a whole bunch of situations in which I feel killing a human is totally OK, but they are few.
And, please, Hermesgrad, if you're going to quote a post, please make an attempt to respond to it.
typo's divvy
"whole bunch"
"few"
You know what I mean.
oh really, im sorry i shall note these requirements for posting to use at a later date.
Well, it's just kinda annoying when people avoid an entire argument by quoting a well-thought-out argument, then just saying something completely irrelevant.
It's just good manners to keep discussion relevant to what you're quoting, is all.
There's nothing to elaborate on silly, but whatever:
I pointed out a contradiction then also pointed out that, had I not pointed out the contradiction, it would have been a coherent argument anyways.
You tell him mien.
I TELL YAH HWAAAT.
im sorry shall i turn around for a moment while so you can brown nose in private?
................... damn
The abortion debate turned into a roast.
No I think I'll brown nose in public.
You know what the perfect song to listen to when you want to be melo? Under the Bridge.
TOPIC CHANGE BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT WE WERE HAVING IS NOT ACTUALLY MAKING ANY FURTHER PROGRESS!
Uh.
I have no new topics, actually.
So how's everyone?
Ah new topic. What does hump wish too change in Libertatem from the pev administration?
Hopefully he passes Legislation on Humpy after dark.
The HUD Act
Humpheria After Dark
Article 1
Section 1
Every day at 9PM Eastern, the After Dark period will begin.
Section II
Should Humpheria be present, this time will be called Humpy After Dark
Section III
Sex with Humpheria will be distributed freely during this time.
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I wasn't aware I had any sexy points.
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I motion for this bill to pass and be put to a vote right now!
I second the motion!
Section IV
Humpheria must comply or he will lose sexy points.
Section V
Humpheria is not allowed to wear clothes during this time, in order to achieve maximum sex.
Section VII
There can be intercourse with more than one at the same time.
What is happening with TNBE?
I am going to go to the constitution to determine if this bill is constitutional.
They're abandoning our principles, is all.
Briton is trying to turn them into a Socialist region.
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I think this it is, WE MUST PASS THIS BILL
Brition has turned to the dark side.
[B]The HUD Act[/B]
Humpheria After Dark
Article 1
Section I
Every day at 9PM Eastern, the After Dark period will begin, and it will end at sunrise over New York City the next morning.
Section II
Should Humpheria be present, this time will be called Humpy After Dark
Section III
Sex with Humpheria will be distributed freely during this time.
Section IV
Humpheria must wear either nothing, or skintight clothing for the duration of After Dark.
Article II
Section I
Humpheria will be jailed for non-compliance.
Ooh good edit.
Yes
I'm off to bed guys, I think that act's ready to move if anyone really wants to push it.
Humpheria is still technically chairman right now, he should approves this.
I am pushing this
What the actual fudge nuggets, guys? I take a short nap and you propose legislation to make me the official government whore?
Two Board Members have already approved. We just want you to display off the beautifulness you have. Please, as your last act as Chairman, Please motion this bill.
Also, you aren't getting paid like a whore would.
I'd really prefer my legacy not to be legislation whoring myself out.
You aren't whoring yourself, you are sharing the beautifulness you have. What kind of boardmember and president would you be to deny people this?
It's his choice. Although rather rude since Libertatem helped password his fvcking region down. For almost a MONTH.
A good one by protecting the integrity of the legal system.
No, you are denying the citizens of Libertatem what they are begging for. Your job is to serve the people.
Sue me.
Fine we will!
We have two board members approval, once we get the majority, we will have this bill pass.
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Have fun. Not even joking, I'm ready.
Get one more Board member and it will go to the House and on the slim chance it passes there, I will be President by then and I will veto it.
State of Libertatem v. Humpheria
Well actually we could motion a vote of no confidence because hump refuses to serve the people.
We will continue our quest. We will not rest until this bill is passed.
Bring it, man.
Well, you did kinda agree to be the regional whore when you agreed to have Sunday be the day where all of Libertatem gets to share in your sexy glory.
To sue me or impeach me?
Yeah, so you have no choice.
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A joke is a joke, but a regional law that will be there forever?
Impeach of course then we could pass it with your successor.
I like how seriously people are taking a bill that was presented as a joke.
Yes this is very neccessary.
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Then we will vote no confidence in you
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