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Region: Libertatem
Hey, guys, it's Baxten. I'm just wondering; why did y'all close interregional chat?
Winter is coming.
Miencraft, Kings Island, Humpheria, Reaganomic Nws, Teuberland
Ugh, don't remind me. I despise the cold.
Miencraft, Nova Gharoukannia
My opinion of you has reached -1, which is the Celsius temperature that would be nice to go hillbilly sledding in. Happy winter.
Just got back from a concert, and it was... Surreal.
My favorite band playing my favorite song not more than three meters away from me. I still can't quite believe it.
I think if I were to die right now, I wouldn't mind so much. My life feels complete.
Spent way too much money, but I really don't even care.
Sorry. I know y'all don't really care and that it's not the normal topic of this RMB, but I just had to say that to someone, and for some reason y'all came to mind.
Muh Roads
Hey guys, I've got a joke for you. Today, a nation called Misley messaged me, saying that the Red "Fleet" is not a sinking ship. LMAO I can screenshot the telegram if you don't believe me.
He telegrammed me too, instead it was about the IRU leaving REATO and that it wasn't mentioned in the Gazette.
Woo hoo hoo, to edgy4me, gotta leave and join the Fleet now so I don't get oppressed.
Humpheria, Rateria, Reaganomic Nws
Oh man, a region making use of their ability to leave REATO at will wasn't mentioned in a newspaper that isn't sponsored by Libertatem government and is based entirely on people wanting to submit things to it! We must be falling apart!
Kings Island, Pevvania, Humpheria, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, Reaganomic Nws
I share everything here, who's going to stop me? =P
Lain Iwakura
Our porch columns are crumbling!
Miencraft
Unrelated, is the EA in REATO pronounced like in Real or like in Reagan?
Teuberland
I always pronounced it as Real, but I'd suspect it's Reagan rather considering the name and it's name relation to NATO.
Miencraft, Lain Iwakura
I've always said it as in real but that's because it's spelled REATO and that looks like NEATO.
Any Rick and Morty fans out there?
I've always pronounced it Rito.
Reeayto is my spin.
Same
Yep
Got another year to go.
Unfortunately...
Teuberland
Part of me hopes they have a surprise episode for Christmas. Something that involves killing Santa Claus or elaborating on how Rick has met the Devil and doesn't believe in God.
It's REATO as in Reagan, you commie pigs
>calls reato weak and insignificant
>celebrates it as a 'major victory' when they launch failed attacks against it
>huh
Rateria, Condealism
I gotta say though, I'm loving all this free publicity we're getting!
Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism
Indeed. I have even refrained from doing them harm, yet they still cower at my approach and ceaselessly endeavor to sabotage my exploits wherever I roam. Strange that they do not show this sort of cowardice and desperation towards their goose-stepping cousins.
Ray-toh.
K.
Will remember that.
Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland
I will still say Re-ate-oh
Humpheria
I mean I'm still saying it as Ree-toh but that's because it just seems more normal!
Condealism
Some people rhyme REATO with neato, and others with Plato... but no one rhymes it with gelato.
Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria, Teuberland
Anyone here a fan of Bon Jovi?
Rateria
I always pronounced it as /'ɹɜ:ɒtou:/
Anybody here interested in bodybuilding/fitness?
Rateria
So I guess that's a pretty resounding no. Shame there aren't more libertarian gym freaks out there.
Humpheria
I always pronounced it as rato.
I'd be more pissed about the lack of Bon Jovi fans
Pevvania, Rateria, Brasil The Hueland
Was into Bon Jovi during early high school. Interests kinda shifted over the years though.
Probably the same reason Libertarians don't throw coups.
Bon Jovi's neat.
BEHOLD: Spongebob's radical critique of socialism revealed: http://media.giphy.com/media/fNvXkjC50ywBW/giphy.gif
Miencraft, Condealism, Teuberland
LOL I remember that one to
I do what I want.
Pevvania
LOL, I'm not even a libertarian, more like a moderate left-centrist.
A majority of the people here hold some type of libertarian belief, though.
I'm not one either, but you kind of get used to it.
*still waiting on all those tax dollars I was promised as president*
Miencraft, Rateria, Brasil The Hueland, The Dark Lieutenant
KILL ALL LEFTISTS! REMOVE USSR! MUHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!! - Fascist that cannot understand that FASCISM IS A LEFT.
Post self-deleted by Pevvania.
I lift nearly every day actually, and run. I'm pretty into it actually, I take it pretty seriously #gainz
Bon Jovi sucks. I'm just going to leave that there.
Good for you, you escaped
Also, I always thought it was pronounced "Rea-toe". Sorry I haven't posted for a while, I have been legitimately busy for the last few days.
Pevvania
Sorry, accidentally suppressed that post. Didn't know I had RMB powers. Huh.
Same here. I train four times a week, sometimes five. Running is not my thing. I do cardio sometimes, and used to do a lot more, but I find long periods of it insufferable.
What's not to like about Bon Jovi?
"An"coms that say property is theft/tyranny/force/whatever because it's drawing boundaries and defending them by force, therefore 'forcing' everyone else not to cross into their property, is the moral equivalent of saying that banning murder is infringing on people's rights to kill people.
Which again is paradoxical because then everyone would have the right to the bodies and produce of others but not to themselves. But this is nevertheless a fundamental staple of socialist belief.
I row, so that's my fitness.
Pevvania
I just do a lot of cardio. I used to climb semi-competitively, but I fractured my ankle pretty badly while bouldering and never got back into it.
Yes because an ultra nationalist "economy" (if you can call it that) and no real ties to the left other than the word socialist which literally means nothing to fascists, is super left. Maybe come up with a real argument instead of spitting out backwards and nonsensical rhetoric?
I've never found an ancom that can make a legitimate argument o support his claims. Communism is outdated and nonsense in modern society. It had its place in 1840, but now its done and the communists should just let it die. (Or destroy modern industry and allow true capitalism to strip workers rights and make a governing body based around wealth and business accumulations)
Inb4 Pev loses suppression powers
The Con giveth, the Humph taketh away
On a more serious note, as it stands now, most government officials can send region-wide telegrams without using stamps.
That's a thing?
What?
What even?
It only works if you have access to the communication controls - and maintain it for about three updates - which I granted to Humph's cabinet the last time I logged into Lib.
Can someone give me a refresher as to why the Red Fleet has been at war with Libertatem? Also FYI a commendation for their region is leading well in the SC.
It's necessary that I go inactive for a while. If I return, it'll be at least a few weeks before I do.
Before I depart, I'll note that RAFFLE has been passed by the Board and needs to be signed into law, President [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation].
Vivat Libertas,
[nation=short]The_New_United_States[/nation]
Teuberland
The War on Communism.
Curiously, the Fleet was the instigator of the conflict. A red army, formed under the pretense of antifascist action yet ostensibly dedicated to combating doctrines they deem "liberal" - whether through speech or force - got real pissy when they saw a seventy-man region with a "War" against their ideology. It wouldn't have been so hypocritical were it not for the fact that, at the time, Libertatem had done little, if anything, to actually fight this war.
It didn't stay that way for long, though most of this region's early victories were about as inconsequential as they come. The original Liberosia was eager to send what few troops we had on small raids, so much so that he leaped into the fray himself, whenever he could, after he left a particularly ambitious infiltration mission in my methodical yet clumsy hands. As you might expect, the reds' efforts were similarly ineffectual, and had substantially less fallout.
This was until they scaled down their war with the fascists in a desperate bid to get us - by this point in time, united under the REAGAN Treaty Organization - to show weakness. We responded to this with an as-of-yet unmatched offensive: Das Kommune, a region originally created by individuals affected by the mixed results of my months-long mission, faded into near-obscurity after our tag raid, International Socialists fell by our hand, and an attempt at a pan-leftist alliance with a further reach than even the Fleet was preempted with the occupation of their base. The Congress of Armed Proletarian States was plucked from their hands, and every attempt on their part to retrieve it has failed.
The Fleet didn't take the introduction of a wild card - actually, several wild cards - into the conflict too well. (Never mind that their aggression spurred us to action.) Suffering such a defeat at the hands of a relatively new, somewhat motley faction was humiliating for them... so they set about inflicting that humiliation in kind.
They placed spies in multiple REATO signatories; during my Presidency, our military operations were crippled by an ineffective chain of command (with a relative dove like me at the top, a beleagured Minerva serving as Manager beneath me, struggling and failing to locate an informant beneath him), and we assume this same spy was responsible for jeopardizing the security of the Hyatt Islands. All this and more; they claim to have gotten their revenge on every CAPS participant sans the IRU, though some attempts at this were more vapid and petty than others. This much you may not have known; like CAPS, it's rather old news.
The intimidation tactics, public shaming, and focus on hitting as many of our allies as possible rather than trying to keep any of them down for good... well, that's been going on more recently, even though this development began to occur around the same time. Indeed, their campaign against us is retributive in nature, so much so that they're willing to sacrifice a potential antifascist victory just to keep us on our toes. Of course, that part is obvious now that I've shared a brief history of the context behind it, minus any details that would get me court-martialed, of course. Knowing how they operate - and how few permanent victories they've been able to accomplish - leads me to believe that mirroring their motivations would be a fruitless endeavor, and that, personally, any military involvement on my part would be superfluous. (Though you're all more than welcome to challenge them without me - I wouldn't dream of keeping you from seeking justice.)
Does anyone have any further questions?
Miencraft
Can I put that into the paper?
Sig Ned
Can you let me know more privately so we can figure out a plan?
I see a confederate nation was elected delegate, and that embassies were established with GGR. Explanations?
Eh, sure.
Liberosia wrote his "The War on Communism" speech about two weeks after the region was initially founded. In that speech, he asserted that communism must be driven out of NationStates once and for all, and that it would become necessary for the fascists to help us achieve this. Nowadays, the vast majority of us strongly disagree on both counts, but back then, it was a riveting and provocative speech... even if there was little we could do to back it up.
So early Libertatem allied itself with the most militarily successful fascist regions it could for backup it would never receive. It created an "Empire" - really more of a hierarchical alliance, but Lib insisted on calling it an empire - to profess grandeur it did not have. I even created an Anticomintern in the hopes of fighting battles that wouldn't occur, in league with regions who provided no aid.
It became clear that authoritarians are no worthy threat to other authoritarians. We decided fascism had influenced our policies enough and called for a constitution, written to bring us a step closer to our namesake: liberty. It was the first of many.
The long, grueling infiltration mission revealed to me that my knowledge of communism was limited; though there are many leftists who seek to spread their ideals through force and "revolution" - many of whom this region still does battle with today - there are also many who do not believe despotism will achieve their goals, and even some of those who do are tolerant and understanding individuals. I relayed this information back here, and the people understood that not all communists are our enemies. (Indeed, we tried to build bridges between ourselves and the left. No points for guessing who burned them down.)
Meanwhile, President Pevvania introduced democracy and strengthened the rule of law, and every President since has followed this example.
We have changed tremendously for the better since first began the War. And we did it by staying true to our own ideals rather than allowing ourselves to be subjugated by Nazis or pitted against fellow libertarians.
As for the confederate, I believe that was before my time. Not sure what his deal was.
Teuberland
Literal copypasta because I thought it was neat and we should have that somewhere. It just felt like something that should be in the paper.
Indeed.
Have there been attempts at peace? Raiding regions ain't nice, and I saw my first region trashed too many times to wish it on others.
There were.
The result was "nope, we're going to keep trying to beat you up".
Source: 'Dealism Presidency
Condealism
Funny you should ask.
Almost a year ago, I was originally Muh Roads' running mate... and he suddenly dropped off the face of the earth for awhile. So I made a half-joking run for the Presidency myself to keep the dream alive... and I got serious as soon as I learned The Communist Bloc was cutting ties with us as a result of the Fleet's posturing (and revenge plot). My resolve to improve our public image was so strong that poor incumbent Miencraft went from a near-insurmountable lead to a 9-to-6 vote loss, and the majority of the populace joined me in clamoring for an end to the War on Communism. Somehow I had won.
One of my deepest regrets was that I didn't take charge with our military and establish diplomacy from a position of uncontested strength. Minerva was a brilliant tactician, but he was out of his depth in a leadership position, and furthermore was the only Libertatemite as prone to self-sabotage as I... he let the entire military in on his plans instead of following the chain of command, and the Fleet was ready to apprehend us every time. If I'd have only ordered him to stick to strategy while I deployed the troops in phases, we might have finished our campaign strongly enough to justify an end to the war.
Midway through my term, my chief of staff - our current President - informed me that Admiral Misley was willing to work out a peace deal with me. I jumped at the chance to sue for peace and it ended poorly: In my foolishness I agreed to turn over two trophies in exchange for a total ceasefire... and I was not worthy nor capable of relinquishing the fruits of our hard-fought campaigns. We kept IS and CAPS - monuments to what we are capable of when provoked - but were accused of reneging on the deal.
Granted, the Fleet hit one of our allies that same week - before I'd given them a straight answer as to whether Pev and Minerva would hand the captured territories over - so I'm skeptical that they would have kept their end of the bargain even if I were able to convince everyone on our side to do so.
I called for peace conferences multiple times since, and all were rejected. The best I've been able to do was make my holdings as impenetrable as possible whilst refusing to continue the cycle of revenge... even though I'd be damn well justified in making them pay for what they've done.
Now the Fleet says they're turning over a new leaf. It's not that I don't believe them - it's that if they are telling the truth, they're getting off way too easy. No one should escape justice like that... but, ultimately, I should not be the one to decide that. I've caused them more harm than they've been able to inflict on me; even just recently they've been trying to sabotage my diplomatic endeavors because they feel I have escaped justice.
The cycle would continue... if I were to refuse to sheath my sword. But I feel it is no longer more noble for me to avenge those who need no avenging than it is for me to lay down my arms and grant my foes a repreive for the sake of interregional harmony. Besides, Libertatem's role in this is not over, and there are still a few things this old wordsmith can do to balance the books... and those things are better communicated with a mouth rather than a fist.
Aggressors can take care of themselves, no matter who they are. I refuse to be one any longer.
Miencraft, Humpheria, Teuberland
I still don't even know how you did that.
What the hell even happened?
I don't know, but in retrospect, I'm sorry it happened. You barely had a chance to lead.
*pulls string on the Magic Conch Shell*
Maybe some day
Speaking of, who remembers that one nation that was called the Magic Conch or something
Post self-deleted by Teuberland.
Misley states that the war started over the region's alliance with fascists, and y'all concur in saying it proved to be a fruitless alliance.
It's not fun to have a region raided, especially smaller ones that can't fix the issues created. It ain't fun to reestablish embassies and it's annoying as I can get out to unsuppress posts. I really can't see the use in raiding regions.
How about this: a treaty of status quo ante bellum. Any regions refounded to serve as REATO or Red Fleet trophies shall be deleted. Any regions under occupation, but not refounded, shall be transferred to the natives. All raiding shall cease, and the regions are recommended to maintain a peace of coexistence.
In addition:
a.) The Red Fleet shall not raid capitalist regions or regions affiliated with REATO unless they can present proof of ongoing support for fascist regions, or recent raiding activity against capitalist regions un-associated with the fascist regions.
b.) REATO shan't raid socialist and communist regions unless they can prove that said regions were involved in recent raiding activity against regions unaffiliated with fascist regions.
c.) Applications to raid must be filed with an active nonpartisan commissioner agreed upon by both REATO and TRF.
d.) Both regions are anti-fascist. *Starts playing "Why Can't We Be Friends"*
I sincerely doubt that would work out very well, and I'm the idealist here.
Miencraft, Teuberland
[Nation]magic conch[/nation]
Miencraft
Ideals aside, I think Misley is a pretty good person. I picture him as the guy I get along at the bar until we're drunk and argue politics.
...but I fervently support the War. TRF or none.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland, Lain Iwakura, The Dark Lieutenant
Preferably none.
I chose not to bring this up on the Security Council forum out of respect for what they're trying to accomplish, but the Fleet had a sordid past, extending to even before I arrived on the scene. In fact, I surmise that their war crimes in particular may have inspired Liberosia to, say... found a region and start a war three years in the making? This is only a wild guess, though.
My point is that such a disreputable organization would have been better buried than... rehabilitated, as it were. Yet, here we are, watching them receive a commendation for their efforts to better conform to what's popular. That might even be a good thing: the problem is that many outside Libertatem don't know who they're commending.
Regions like Libertarian and New Republica might contest the author's claim of a supposed policy of not targeting non-REATO-aligned capitalist regions, but for all we know, the Fleet may very well have such a policy these days. Who knows, maybe the exceptions to this rule were a result of their incompetence rather than any malevolence.
And what the proposal doesn't touch upon at all are the various examples of... friendly fire, if you will. Their love-hate relationship with the various fragments of what was Slavia is just one in the long list of anticommunist actions they've taken. The UCR - in all its incarnations - was sundered for daring to ever work alongside us, despite being comprised almost entirely of leftists. They revealed to me that they knew full well that fascists had taken over Freecomunism - a region that got a little too friendly with us after CAPS for some reason - and did nothing whereas I learned of it days too late to save it. To top it all off, regions like Das Kommune and The Communist Bloc were coerced into serving them... and this is visibly sapping their strength. Maybe they've changed, maybe they do mean to unite the left... but this does not change that they were clearly the primary cause of the left's division.
It hurts me to see that schism. Communists might not mean much to you guys, but when I look at them, I can see they're lacking something we have. When a libertarian region suffers hard times, larger capitalist regions often take the opportunity to reach out a little bit, whereas if an anarcho-communist region ends up in the red (pun intended), their pleas for help are usually met with indifference from Big Communism. Civil wars between capitalist regions seldom grow more heated than the ancient petty rivalry between Libertatem and The pre-exodus Federal Islands. But leftists? They hold grudges, even against each other, especially if their differences stem from disagreement over the dialectic. The left isn't united the way it is now, and I feel as though the biggest proponents of leftist unity have been causing that goal the most harm.
But, hey, I'm an outsider to them. Maybe I'm not looking at it like a communist. Maybe stabbing one another in the back is how they express their friendship... it would explain a lot...
However, if I'm right, that means there is something we can do for them that they've been unable to do for themselves. Not all of them are our enemies; some just need a little bit of salvation from their present woes.
And I hope the more violent revolutionaries learn from this SC proposal and start showing a little more class. (Pun intended.)
Miencraft, Rateria, The Dark Lieutenant, Gradea In Libertatem
Anyway, what does it matter... there's no way we'd be able to solve the World Assembly's corruption problems or take on the burden of those who have ideologies greatly differing from our own, even if we wanted to. It may very well be that all this region knows is how to fight for freedom. The rest? I'm not sure.
And though I'm sure many of you have reservations about seeing our archnemeses receive adulation from the masses, I also know that we have better things to do than spoil the moment for them. (Even if they might deserve it - your mileage may vary.)
Just... we've been through a lot. I haven't really stopped to take it all in for quite some time.
Gradea In Libertatem
Greetings from Angbhand.
Gradea In Libertatem
The Red Fleet is a leftist terrorist organization which targets regions which don't agree to their childish beliefs.
Welcome to Libertatem!
Thank you. Are there any plans to revive the fascist political party?
Post by Trf Submarine Group I suppressed by Liberosia.
This much is true.
Because you did, and you know that you did. Or you admit that you had no control over Libertatem's military while serving as this region's President. Libertatem's military, during the supposed "cease-fire", launched a false-flag attack against [region=United Socialist Republics] that The Red Fleet broke up. The Red Fleet Intelligence Directorate knows it was LAF.
This was after you tried to hit our allies.
Because you failed to hold up any end of your bargain the last time. Why would we go down that path again?
Like Condealism said, this would not be possible. And that's leaving out your addendum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAsPu-FTBsw
This, but "Libertatem or none".
No, but you can do it if you want.
Post by Trf Submarine Group I suppressed by Liberosia.
Please. It's a game. No one is committing "war crimes."
Both of these regions had embassies with you or other REATO members. Libertarian has made it a policy not to construct embassies with REATO members in the wake of our raid, and we haven't been back since. That is not a coincidence.
I'll also remind everyone that Libertarian and New Republica were simply tag raids.
Slavija was hit because of its ties to you, also. The astute observer will notice that none of the regions you mention continue to have an embassy with you, and we haven't been back to any of them.
The leftists who were able to seek out a community without meddling from this region are now happily members of [region=Federation of Anarchist Communes], an ally of ours. There's no bad blood between us, or at least none that has been expressed. FAC maintains good relations with TI and other regions that provide sailors to TRF.
Freecomunism was not much of a leftist region - they naively sought to "unite Capitalism and Communism into one Eco-Friendly and Peaceful government" and accepted "ALL ideologies!" Beyond the prospect of booting the fash out (who decided to attempt a very risky passwordless refound before we would have been able to mobilize) there was no motivation for us to intervene...
Oh, don't be so dramatic. The left is divided because of historical arguments and disagreements. Not because of The Red Fleet.
Pretty sure more often than not we see you all break ties because they're a liability, but there I go being a silly Marxist and basing things in historical materialism!
What?
You'd be wrong.
The ice axe is the preferred weapon in leftist circles.
Post by Trf Submarine Group I suppressed by Liberosia.
lol at that "Anti-Fascist" tag
Oh, wow, a libertarian region doesn't ban ideologies even if we're against those very same ideologies abroad! We must be hypocrites or something for allowing people to think and act how they wish!
Rateria, Dark Commander, Reaganomic Nws
I will concede that, yes, DERP was a thing that disbanded a political party because of our anti-fascist policies at the time, but it was struck down as illegal later on and now political parties are for the most part immune to regulation.
Post by Trf Submarine Group I suppressed by Liberosia.
I thought that your constitution provided for the Founder to banject a Communist Delegate. That would make it seem that a Fascist could win elections and legally be President, but a Communist couldn't.
Don't return.
Rateria, Condealism, Reaganomic Nws
Well alrighty then.
So, anyone into The Elder Scrolls?
Humpheria
Oh, actually, y'know what, someone with access to The Law of Libertatem needs to do something with WAR so that it can be seen that it's not in effect any longer.
I am, but it's been hard to get excited about it ever since ESO...
ESO's much better now that they trashed the subscription model. Especially on PC, just because the PC community is great.
Orsinium is coming out on Monday, and that's exciting for someone like me who pretty much only plays Orcs.
I have all but ESO and I also have the extremely controversial opinion that Oblivion is the best.
Renegalis, Condealism
Yes, Oblivion is amazing, even for a game that really shows its age when you play it on console. The atmosphere, the story... tremendous.
My biggest gripe with Oblivion is that everyone sounds the same.
Every.
Goddamn.
Person.
There's very little variance in the voices for each race, which I think is something Skyrim really fixed.
Oblivion is still really good though, but Morrowind has my favorite overall experience, Skyrim's got its world and playability, and Oblivion has story.
Of course, Morrowind is terrible at combat and has a horrible cookie-cutter dialogue system, Oblivion is terrible at immersion once you actually start talking to people (but you do get some unique dialogue, which is nice, even if everyone sounds the same), and Skyrim is just too easy.
Oblivion's NPCs don't really annoy me all that much. Especially the ones voiced by Wes Johnson - I could listen to that VA talk for hours.
I played Skyrim some if that counts.
Commies be tripping that we kicking ass in The Communist Internationale
Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes, Rateria, Reaganomic Nws
Yay! Eat that, pathetic left.
Pevvania, Rateria
Eh, Johnson's unique characters were great.
The generic Imperial dudes that he voiced get super-repetitive though because they all have the same voice.
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