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Condealism wrote:Where we're going, we don't need roads. Join me, TUSP, and I will make your face the greatest in Libertatem (for like three days tops)!

Where I'm going i don't need a face....

Don't think into it very much

Rateria, Condealism

The United States Of Patriots wrote:The real question is if the second voice is really just Condy's schizophrenia or...

The second voice is conscience-sama. Conscience-sama doesn't get out much.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Condealism wrote:The second voice is conscience-sama. Conscience-sama doesn't get out much.

#BringBackOurConscience-Sama

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Where I'm going i don't need a face....

Don't think into it very much

Why?

*thinks about where one could go if they didn't need a face*

Oh. The Internet. Right. nvm fam

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Is there a link to the discord anywhere?

My brother just started singing a Spice Girls song. Currently hiding in panic room.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Is there a link to the discord anywhere?

Did the >>>Discord<<< in the WFE not clue you in?

https://discord.gg/qut6EPZ

Rateria

Condealism wrote:Did the >>>Discord<<< in the WFE not clue you in?

https://discord.gg/qut6EPZ

Ah, thank you.

My brain instinctively filters out that color, it's a self defense mechanism

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Ah, thank you.

My brain instinctively filters out that color, it's a self defense mechanism

I, too, must defend myself from the sight of grass

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Note to my advisors: You're being laid off, partly because you're not doing anything and partly because I'm not sure whether it was even legal for me to hire you.

I know the Constitution lets me pick diplomats, though, so you can still do that if you want.

After reading the discord, I would like to say, not to argue, nor my own gratitude, but to demonstrate my loyalty, and although inexperience within this region, my dedication to the government.

I have been known to disagree with the establishment, and recall a senator noting me as a rebel, while I do disagree with the establishment, regional government, and so on, I have proven that I am a dedicated worker for this region's government, by working for the State Department as an advisor for someone I disagreed with, why? Simply, I want to get things done and I want to be apart of this region. During my senatorial campaign, despite the rigorous campaign against the establishment and even having the current senator, Humph, concede his seat to me because of the slander that I was put through, I declined, as I want to work for this region, and by me not being elected by this region, I would find myself incapable of doing so.

My own political views do not shape my work efforts in the State Department or if I was chosen to be Attorney General, as my job would be soley to work for this region, and as I have shown, that to me, is completely seperate from politics.

To work for this region, as an advisor or attorney general, would be an honor, and I would do so to serve my position with respect to those who appointed me and who I work for, regardless of politics. I am dedicated to my jobs, I really am, and if I were to hold on office dealing with justice, politics would absolutely not be involved.

I am sad to see my nomination be rejected by the Senate, but I see the concerns that I may not fulfill my duties properly because of my known disestablishment positions and rebellious qualities. However, I hope that I am able to clear this up, by saying that if I were to be hired to a position that did not ask for my politics, then I would not give them. I am not aware if I could ask for a reconsideration, and if I cannot, then I won't. I do however wish for the Senate and the people to know, that I will fulfill my duties justly, and my politics will remain where they should be, which is in my political campaigns.

Thank you.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:-snip-

Now would probably be a bad time to tell you that I no longer require any advisors (though you're, of course, still welcome to provide advice) - but I've been fiddling with the Discord settings and want to coordinate the efforts of the region's diplomats. If you wish to become a diplomat, just let me know.

Condealism wrote:Now would probably be a bad time to tell you that I no longer require any advisors (though you're, of course, still welcome to provide advice) - but I've been fiddling with the Discord settings and want to coordinate the efforts of the region's diplomats. If you wish to become a diplomat, just let me know.

I saw your RMB post, and regardless of that, I still took the opportunity to work for you, it's the principle that I was trying to get it.

Rateria, Condealism

And no- I will not be interested in a diplomatic posituon.

Rateria, Condealism

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I saw your RMB post, and regardless of that, I still took the opportunity to work for you, it's the principle that I was trying to get it.

Indeed. Anyway, I trust you when you say your distaste for the establishment is not equivalent to an unwillingness to cooperate with it; I don't know if you realize it yet, but a lot of us - even those who have become this region's establishment - feel the same way. I'd go so far as to call such a mindset a cornerstone of sensible libertarianism.

Rateria

Condealism wrote:Indeed. Anyway, I trust you when you say your distaste for the establishment is not equivalent to an unwillingness to cooperate with it; I don't know if you realize it yet, but a lot of us - even those who have become this region's establishment - feel the same way. I'd go so far as to call such a mindset a cornerstone of sensible libertarianism.

I'm glad you trust me, I want the all of the Senate to know that my politics is in absolute no interference with my work.

Rateria, Condealism

Gaelic: *posts well written post about important things*

Me: "will do arm reveal for 3 subs thanks for watching like for more jaden vlogs"

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

It isn't a good day unless I get accused of somehow manipulating the region to power. But really, thanks for likening me to royalty, its taken so long for people to acknowledge the crown I brought from home.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred

Humpheria wrote:It isn't a good day unless I get accused of somehow manipulating the region to power.

I hope this isn't referring to me, as alls I referenced was the unintentional sabotage of my reputation, which I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees with.

Also, you're in power because I rejected your concession to me. I hate to put it in such an arrogant way, but I could've accepted and I would be the one in the Senate right now. The whole reason you're even a senator still is because I wanted to not only keep my own dignity and self respect to my ideals but also yours.

I, too, enjoy feeling like a princess.

Yes, I am making this a public comment.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I hope this isn't referring to me, as alls I referenced was the unintentional sabotage of my reputation, which I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees with.

Also, you're in power because I rejected your concession to me. I hate to put it in such an arrogant way, but I could've accepted and I would be the one in the Senate right now. The whole reason you're even a senator still is because I wanted to not only keep my own dignity and self respect to my ideals but also yours.

Ah, you missed Supting's glorious rant - that's what he was referring to.

Miencraft, Rateria, Fascist Dred

Condealism wrote:Ah, you missed Supting's glorious rant - that's what he was referring to.

Ah, I see.

That's okay. What I said I feel still needs to be said.

Rateria

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I hope this isn't referring to me, as alls I referenced was the unintentional sabotage of my reputation, which I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees with.

Also, you're in power because I rejected your concession to me. I hate to put it in such an arrogant way, but I could've accepted and I would be the one in the Senate right now. The whole reason you're even a senator still is because I wanted to not only keep my own dignity and self respect to my ideals but also yours.

Not referring to you at all bruh but way to find another excuse to say something self-aggrandizing and arrogant. We all remember that and I'm not sure why you felt the need to point it out. But, hey, right on for dignity or whatever

Condealism, Fascist Dred

After recent experiences and close counters, I believe it is necessary to enact the final solution to the ticking question...For far too long we have been letting ticks go around and spread Lyme disease and suck blood from humans unwillingly and this must be held to account. We need to gas the dirty ticks to hell, so that is why I am begging President Hyderbourg today to pass an executive order to end these damn buggers

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Jadentopian Order

Humpheria wrote:Way to find another excuse to say something self-aggrandizing and arrogant. We all remember that and I'm not sure why you felt the need to point it out. But, hey, right on for dignity or whatever

When have I referred to myself in an arrogant way except just now which I asked for excusal on? My whole thing was to be elected and to be liked by the people. I'm not sorry that you're sore over me actually standing up for myself, and it seems as though you're not used to people doing that- but I will actually believe what I believe and not settle for a seat in the Senate, power, reputation, or anything else. That's what dignity is. Frankly, you lack it in my eyes.

Venomringo wrote:After recent experiences and close counters, I believe it is necessary to enact the final solution to the ticking question...For far too long we have been letting ticks go around and spread Lyme disease and suck blood from humans unwillingly and this must be held to account. We need to gas the dirty ticks to hell, so that is why I am begging President Hyderbourg today to pass an executive order to end these damn buggers

Dig it out with a knife then burn it with a match

Humpheria wrote:Dig it out with a knife then burn it with a match

I think Zyklon B or going Ender's Game on them will work better

Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:When have I referred to myself in an arrogant way except just now which I asked for excusal on? My whole thing was to be elected and to be liked by the people. I'm not sorry that you're sore over me actually standing up for myself, and it seems as though you're not used to people doing that- but I will actually believe what I believe and not settle for a seat in the Senate, power, reputation, or anything else. That's what dignity is. Frankly, you lack it in my eyes.

Yeah I'm absolutely heart broken that you didn't accept my chance to give you a consolation out of pity. Assault my character all you want but while you're doing that, I'll keep working to do the job the people elected me to do. With dignity.

Humpheria wrote:Yeah I'm absolutely heart broken that you didn't accept my chance to give you a consolation out of pity. Assault my character all you want but while you're doing that, I'll keep working to do the job the people elected me to do. With dignity.

Out of pity? You mean when you engaged in a spear campaign against me and then when everyone was telegramming me apologizing and you were actually trying to get to accept the seat because everyone knew what happened was ridiculous?

Yes, what you are doing right now is incredibly dignifying.

Venomringo wrote:I think Zyklon B or going Ender's Game on them will work better

Ender's Game? Buggers? I see what you did there

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Fascist Dred

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:...everyone was telegramming me apologizing...

Everyone? I though it was only the one.

I could just be out of the loop though, or I guess there could have been more private telegrams...

Or, crap I ran out of other possibilities

Humpheria wrote:Yeah I'm absolutely heart broken that you didn't accept my chance to give you a consolation out of pity. Assault my character all you want but while you're doing that, I'll keep working to do the job the people elected me to do. With dignity.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Out of pity? You mean when you engaged in a spear campaign against me and then when everyone was telegramming me apologizing and you were actually trying to get to accept the seat because everyone knew what happened was ridiculous?

Yes, what you are doing right now is incredibly dignifying.

You're both acting incredibly dignified right now. Might I recommend doing so in a more private, dignified venue?

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Condealism wrote:You're both acting incredibly dignified right now. Might I recommend doing so in a more private, dignified venue?

ooooooo, are duels legal?

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:You're both acting incredibly dignified right now. Might I recommend doing so in a more private, dignified venue?

I've got a great set of dueling keyboards

Rateria

Condealism wrote:You're both acting incredibly dignified right now. Might I recommend doing so in a more private, dignified venue?

Dude are they gonna bang

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

The United States Of Patriots wrote:ooooooo, are duels legal?

I will make it legal

Jadentopian Order wrote:Dude are they gonna bang

Not. Yet.

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Everyone? I though it was only the one.

I could just be out of the loop though, or I guess there could have been more private telegrams...

Or, crap I ran out of other possibilities

A lot of people telegrammed me telling me they felt that was happened was uncalled for, and some apologized for their part and wanted to be friends, which I am more than happy to do. The President telegramming me about the original issue, that he felt pressure from his party to not vote his mind, was the one that started it. After it was an issue and after the election, I recieved a lot of support privately and the Rainbow Party has about 5 members at the moment. One actually telegrammed me saying they felt Humph was showing a superiority complex.

Condealism

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:A lot of people telegrammed me telling me they felt that was happened was uncalled for, and some apologized for their part and wanted to be friends, which I am more than happy to do. The President telegramming me about the original issue, that he felt pressure from his party to not vote his mind, was the one that started it. After it was an issue and after the election, I recieved a lot of support privately and the Rainbow Party has about 5 members at the moment. One actually telegrammed me saying they felt Humph was showing a superiority complex.

Thank you for the clarification

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:Not. Yet.

So when are they going to?

Condealism wrote:You're both acting incredibly dignified right now. Might I recommend doing so in a more private, dignified venue?

Yes, you are right. This isn't dignified for either of us. I just want to reiterate my point.

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Thank you for the clarification

Anytime.

Exciting things are happening in the Senate. To see more progress from the people's representatives, tune in tomorrow for the weekly agenda-setting meeting.

Rateria, Condealism

Venomringo wrote:After recent experiences and close counters, I believe it is necessary to enact the final solution to the ticking question...For far too long we have been letting ticks go around and spread Lyme disease and suck blood from humans unwillingly and this must be held to account. We need to gas the dirty ticks to hell, so that is why I am begging President Hyderbourg today to pass an executive order to end these damn buggers

Done.

Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order

Dang you guys were up late.

Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism

Marco Rubio makes me want to be a better person.

Hyderbourg, Fascist Dred

Andrew Scheer makes me want to cut myself

Post self-deleted by Supting.

Post self-deleted by Supting.

Do you believe in democracy?

Recall these senators!

The Aradites

Supting

Pevvania

These men walked onto the senate as a king walks onto his royal court.

We should all collectively agree to depose them by 2/3 citizen majority (even if we like them), just so we have a chance to see if the deserve their spots in the special elections that will follow.

FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE

FIGHT FOR REVOLUTION

SUPTING.

Uh you want to recall yourself?

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Humpheria wrote:Uh you want to recall yourself?

I wanna recall myself and then run again, to prove I am the voice of the people.

Supting wrote:Do you believe in democracy?

Recall these senators!

The Aradites

[B]Supting

Pevvania

These men walked onto the senate as a king walks onto his royal court.

We should all collectively agree to depose them by 2/3 citizen majority (even if we like them), just so we have a chance to see if the deserve their spots in the special elections that will follow.

FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE

FIGHT FOR REVOLUTION

SUPTING.

Supting wrote:I wanna recall myself and then run again, to prove I am the voice of the people.

Oh ok. Yeah sure, why not? If you are the voice of the people, you have nothing to worry about.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Supting wrote:Do you believe in democracy?

Recall these senators!

The Aradites

Supting

Pevvania

These men walked onto the senate as a king walks onto his royal court.

We should all collectively agree to depose them by 2/3 citizen majority (even if we like them), just so we have a chance to see if the deserve their spots in the special elections that will follow.

FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE

FIGHT FOR REVOLUTION

SUPTING.

Reminder that three fifths of Libertatem's Senate are unsanctioned and unelected! #Resist

"Great, now Condy's bringing that meme over here"

THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE HAS SPOKEN

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Supting wrote:Do you believe in democracy?

Recall these senators!

The Aradites

Supting

Pevvania

These men walked onto the senate as a king walks onto his royal court.

We should all collectively agree to depose them by 2/3 citizen majority (even if we like them), just so we have a chance to see if the deserve their spots in the special elections that will follow.

FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE

FIGHT FOR REVOLUTION

SUPTING.

Weirdly not a bad idea.

Rateria, Condealism, Fascist Dred

Recalling more than half the Senate, including its Speaker, while there is legislation to be processed kinda is a bad idea.

Miencraft, Humpheria, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Post self-deleted by Hyderbourg.

Condealism wrote:Recalling more than half the Senate, including its Speaker, while there is legislation to be processed kinda is a bad idea.

Justice !

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Hyderbourg wrote:Weirdly not a bad idea.

Condealism wrote:Recalling more than half the Senate, including its Speaker, while there is legislation to be processed kinda is a bad idea.

During today's session, if Pev ever logs on, I plan to introduce a law code, codifying criminal and civil actions warranting judicial action.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=360591

Rateria, Condealism

Humpheria wrote:

I would also like to point out, publicly, that taking an absurd amount of time to process that legislation just for the sake of decorum isn't a good idea either.

Rateria, Gaelic Eire Nua

Condealism wrote:I would also like to point out, publicly, that taking an absurd amount of time to process that legislation just for the sake of decorum isn't a good idea either.

The only legislation that is taking us a long time is FRAUD because it isn't complete.

If Pev does not log on soon, I will call the Senate to session at 3PM EST as Speaker Pro Tempore.

Condealism wrote:I would also like to point out, publicly, that taking an absurd amount of time to process that legislation just for the sake of decorum isn't a good idea either.

This.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:This.

Humpheria wrote:The only legislation that is taking us a long time is FRAUD because it isn't complete.

This.

Humpheria wrote:This.

I literally just went through the discord where just picking an Attorney General is taking an insane amount of time. You should just say a name and then vote on it. It really should take an hour at most.

Also, the reason why it takes so long to get something done is because we have a Senate and not a region where everyone votes on the legislation, I think it'd be a lot simpler and efficient, not to mention more democratic that way.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I literally just went through the discord where just picking an Attorney General is taking an insane amount of time. You should just say a name and then vote on it. It really should take an hour at most.

Also, the reason why it takes so long to get something done is because we have a Senate and not a region where everyone votes on the legislation, I think it'd be a lot simpler and efficient, not to mention more democratic that way.

As slow as Senate votes can be, direct democracy would be even slower. Our current system is a fine balance between all of the various systems we've tried throughout the existence of the first republic.

Miencraft, Rateria

Condealism wrote:As slow as Senate votes can be, direct democracy would be even slower. Our current system is a fine balance between all of the various systems we've tried throughout the existence of the first republic.

No it wouldn't, we could elect a Chancellor of Legislation that approves of what legislation is to be voted on and then we all vote on said legislation. How would that take longer?

By the way, we're still hiring Diplomats.

Rateria

Supting wrote:Do you believe in democracy?

Recall these senators!

The Aradites

Supting

Pevvania

These men walked onto the senate as a king walks onto his royal court.

We should all collectively agree to depose them by 2/3 citizen majority (even if we like them), just so we have a chance to see if the deserve their spots in the special elections that will follow.

FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE

FIGHT FOR REVOLUTION

SUPTING.

Hail Dred

Rateria

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I literally just went through the discord where just picking an Attorney General is taking an insane amount of time. You should just say a name and then vote on it. It really should take an hour at most.

Also, the reason why it takes so long to get something done is because we have a Senate and not a region where everyone votes on the legislation, I think it'd be a lot simpler and efficient, not to mention more democratic that way.

First paragraph: It literally took us two hours and we went through 3 nominations. That is lightning speed comparable to the Board of the first republic

Second paragraph: Write an amendment if you would like it changed but we had that system in the 1st republic and it took uz forever to pass legislation.

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

I rescind my point about the Senate being slow. It would be a luxury to instantaneously create legislation without need for review, but such a thing would be brought into fruition by poorly-disguised mob rule at best and autocracy at worst - authoritarianism, in any case.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Humpheria wrote:First paragraph: It literally took us two hours and we went through 3 nominations. That is lightning speed comparable to the Board of the first republic

Second paragraph: Write an amendment if you would like it changed but we had that system in the 1st republic and it took uz forever to pass legislation.

Two hours? It should take 30 minutes.

By the way, if you're suggesting having a political hierarchy is better simply because it's faster than I suggest you write an amendment implementing fascism because it's the most efficient system in terms of no discussion and quick passage.

Condealism wrote:I rescind my point about the Senate being slow. It would be a luxury to instantaneously create legislation without need for review, but such a thing would be brought into fruition by poorly-disguised mob rule at best and autocracy at worst - authoritarianism, in any case.

Do you not realize that having soley the Senate decide what passes and fails is a form of authoritarianism? If you're so anti-authoritarian, you should be supporting direct democracy.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Do you not realize that having soley the Senate decide what passes and fails is a form of authoritarianism? If you're so anti-authoritarian, you should be supporting direct democracy.

Personally, I consider democracy to be too authoritarian, because it allows a majority of individuals to determine what is best for a minority. Anarchy is the only true libertarian position.

However, it is unrealistic to assume that everyone wishes to self-govern, so trade-offs must be made. In terms of form, function, and freedom, I feel the republican model is far superior to the democratic model.

Miencraft, Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Two hours? It should take 30 minutes.

By the way, if you're suggesting having a political hierarchy is better simply because it's faster than I suggest you write an amendment implementing fascism because it's the most efficient system in terms of no discussion and quick passage.

Do you not realize that having soley the Senate decide what passes and fails is a form of authoritarianism? If you're so anti-authoritarian, you should be supporting direct democracy.

Literally we passed an amendment that gave the executive powers to veto

Rateria, Condealism

Reminder, it's been a month since we started to rebuild, it's our first government since major activity. Everything is still new for even the veterans.

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

Condealism wrote:Personally, I consider democracy to be too authoritarian, because it allows a majority of individuals to determine what is best for a minority. Anarchy is the only true libertarian position.

However, it is unrealistic to assume that everyone wishes to self-govern, so trade-offs must be made. In terms of form, function, and freedom, I feel the republican model is far superior to the democratic model.

Mate, seriously? Democracy is too authoritarian? The majority's ruling should be law. Not the minority. Which is the Senate.

I'd rather not trade-off my freedom, thanks.

The Aradites wrote:Literally we passed an amendment that gave the executive powers to veto

The people should be the executive powers.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Mate, seriously? Democracy is too authoritarian? The majority's ruling should be law. Not the minority. Which is the Senate.

I'd rather not trade-off my freedom, thanks.

The people should be the executive powers.

The Senate was elected by the majority... That's how they got to the Senate

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Mate, seriously? Democracy is too authoritarian? The majority's ruling should be law. Not the minority. Which is the Senate.

I'd rather not trade-off my freedom, thanks.

The people should be the executive powers.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

[nation=short]Pevvania[/nation] [nation=short]Supting[/nation] Hope to see you in an hour

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:You should just say a name and then vote on it.

You are aware that AG is a Presidential appointee, right? The Senate can't just throw names out of nowhere and magically confirm them when the President has not given a name.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:The majority's ruling should be law.

Okay. I'm going to go convince a majority of people that the Jewish race should be exterminated.

Guess genocide's okay as long as the majority wants it.

And yes I realize that's super outlandish of an example, but, seriously, the majority is not always right. That's why the United States was not set up as a democracy. It's why the only directly-elected Federal position is supposed to be the House of Representatives. It's why there's an Electoral College. Majority rule is nothing short of tyranny.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Humpheria wrote:The Senate was elected by the majority... That's how they got to the Senate

And? Why have a quasi-majority leadership? That seems like a waste of time, let's just have the majority vote directly.

Condealism wrote:Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

No. We're all citizens of this region. We all choose to be here.

Miencraft wrote:You are aware that AG is a Presidential appointee, right? The Senate can't just throw names out of nowhere and magically confirm them when the President has not given a name.

Okay. I'm going to go convince a majority of people that the Jewish race should be exterminated.

Guess genocide's okay as long as the majority wants it.

And yes I realize that's super outlandish of an example, but, seriously, the majority is not always right. That's why the United States was not set up as a democracy. It's why the only directly-elected Federal position is supposed to be the House of Representatives. It's why there's an Electoral College. Majority rule is nothing short of tyranny.

Democracy isn't a substitute for moralty, and that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking strictly on policy having to deal with this region. In a country where that could be voted on, it would be wrong as it infringes on the doctrine of free will.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:And? Why have a quasi-majority leadership?

Because it's more or less a condensed form of a majority leadership. Ever heard the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth"?

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:In a country where that could be voted on, it would be wrong as it infringes on the doctrine of free will.

Every system in which one person's morals are imposed on another person without their consent is a violation of free will. It is important to determine which system does the best job at mitigating this while still serving its functions, and I feel it is a republic.

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:it would be wrong as it infringes on the doctrine of free will.

What makes it any different here? Do we magically now not have free will because Nationstates is a game?

The United States Of Patriots

I am overthrowing the kings of Libertatem for a true democracy.

These leaders are officially deposed

Hyderbourg

Condealism

Republic Of Minerva

The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft

Humpheria

Pevvania

Rateria, Condealism

Supting wrote:These leaders are officially deposed

By whose authority?

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Supting wrote:I am overthrowing the kings of Libertatem for a true democracy.

These leaders are officially deposed

Hyderbourg

Condealism

Republic Of Minerva

The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft

Humpheria

Pevvania

Viva la revolución

"But Condy, you're being overthrown"

I never liked that Condy fellow anyway

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:By whose authority?

The people.

Rateria, Condealism

Supting wrote:The people.

Okay. Go write up a new Constitution and have it approved by whatever means you want, as per this current Constitution.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:By whose authority?

By authority of King Supting, ruler of Libertatem

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:By authority of King Supting, ruler of Libertatem

Oh, good, for a second there I thought it was just some random guy telling us we're all fired.

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Supting wrote:The people.

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Miencraft wrote:What makes it any different here? Do we magically now not have free will because Nationstates is a game?

It makes it different here because we can't handle domestic policy like a Jewish genocide through a regional government in an online game? I didn't know it was this hard to comprehend.

Miencraft wrote:Oh, good, for a second there I thought it was just some random guy telling us we're all fired.

Yeah, like the President of the United States

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:It makes it different here because we can't handle domestic policy like a Jewish genocide through a regional government in an online game? I didn't know it was this hard to comprehend.

No, I mean, if democracy impedes free will in real life, what stops democracy from impeding free will in a game?

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Miencraft wrote:No, I mean, if democracy impedes free will in real life, what stops democracy from impeding free will in a game?

I don't understand your question and what is has to do with this discussion, I'm saying the majority vote is what should be final, you responded with a strawman "what if everyone votes for genocide" and then I said that wouldn't happen because it would impede on free will. What are you trying to get at?

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Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I don't understand your question and what is has to do with this discussion, I'm saying the majority vote is what should be final, you responded with a strawman "what if everyone votes for genocide" and then I said that wouldn't happen because it would impede on free will. What are you trying to get at?

It wouldn't happen, except it has in real life and it does happen because majority rule is inseparable from tyranny. Majority rule is, by definition, tyranny.

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