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Region: Libertatem
i spent the entire week end and friday throwing up what did i miss?
Rateria
Fixed that for ya.
#RLPtyranny strikes again.
Pevvania, Alistia, Rateria, Muh Godliness
Did you for real just steal Sean's campaign slogan
Alistia, Rateria, Venomringo
FLC: Civil War.
Miencraft, Alistia, Venomringo
Post self-deleted by Venomringo.
Back in the day when Sean had the confederate flag as his nation's flag. Such a long time ago.
Alistia, Venomringo
Also back in the day when Sean said science kills babies and I was against abortion.
Alistia, Venomringo
What the hell happened to you then?
Alistia
I grew up
Alistia, Ankerland
Unlike those babies that are murdered
Alistia, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo, Hayashimo, Highway Eight
Ohhhh
Alistia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Oh here we go with the baby murdering argument. I should probably clarify that I'm not for it after the first trimester, but I'm guessing that hardly comes close to your moral standards, Mr. Cotton. A fetus doesn't have a brain that can be considered fully human until 23 weeks. At 12 weeks, the most it has is a barely functioning brain that doesn't even recognize it's surroundings.
Miencraft, Alistia, Ankerland
I am against abortion, personally, but I hate to say that it should be legal up until the first trimester. People will still perform abortions even if it's illegal just like how people get guns in Detroit. If you make it illegal to get an abortion, then women will seek an 'alternative' method to kill their baby, which is unsafe for everybody involved and cause serious defects with the baby. It's a terrible, terrible situation, but, in the end, abortion will avoid further complications.
Pevvania, Alistia, Rateria
I agree. It's not a desirable situation at all, but if abortions are going to happen anyway, it's better they're safe and legal than messy and potentially deadly.
Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Alistia, Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order
Since when did we join some rightist alliance? I thought Libertatem was finally going to be isolationist, but alas, we must entangle ourselves in the world again.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
A vote for Highway 8 is a vote for Libertatem.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
So? If someone is extremely mentally handy capped, or is in a coma and thus not self-aware, is it okay to actively kill them?
First is it a life. Obviously, even the smallest single celled organism is alive. Next, is it a life separate from that of the mother? Again, yes. Every single cell of that baby has DNA that is different from that of its parents. Entirely unique to it. So if it is A. a life and B. a life separate from that of the mother than the only question left is: is it a human life? Well with the exception of epigenetic changes to the DNA of a fetus and zygote is the exact same as that of an adult. So if we accept the premisses that 1. The fetus/zygote/baby is a life and 2. it is a life separate from that of the mother. The only justification for actively killing it is by saying that it is not a human. Why would it not be a human? I really am game to hear your best argument for why a zygote isn't a human. But assuming that for some people there is grey area (Although for me its very simple. If its got entirely Human DNA it's a human) would it not be better to side on the air of caution? Allowing others to define with flexibility what is and isn't a human is opening the door to the abuse of peoples rights. For example, slavery.
My belief that abortion is murder is not based in religious thought. It is instead entirely based on human rights. No one. Absolutely no one. Has the right to deprive you of yours, life being chief among them, without an infringement being made on theirs. Actively killing a child is the exact same.
If abortion is murder though. And I am willing to have this debate with you, why should it be legal? Laws exist (or should exist, I should say) to protect our rights from the infringement of others. A comparable example would be well drug cartels are going to kill people so we might as well legalize using hitmen.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
"Avoid further complications" Under that logic eugenics is perfectly fine. We are just avoiding further complications. Killing someone who has not broken the law is murder. Murder should not be legal. Buying a gun illegally is entirely different from actively killing someone
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Post self-deleted by The United States Of Patriots.
I personally believe abortion is cruel and unneeded. If the baby threatens the life of the mother, then its fine. Up until that point, though, that miracle of life will and should have a future. Many would be parents make the argument that giving away or handing the child over to the state gives it barely any life, but to me it is a life nonetheless. I do not want my tax dollars to pay for mothers who are lazy or are too scared to tell their husbands and boyfriends they were pregnant. Next time, use birth control.
Humpheria, The United States Of Patriots, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Solution: don't put government money to it. You want an abortion, you should be able to get one if it's early on and you pay for it.
Ankerland, New Tampa
I disagree, USOP. Is it moral to willingly allow mothers to try and kill their babies by themselves? That is cruel and unusual if so because willingly trying to kill your baby is accepting the risk that the child will be born with physical deformities that will impair the rest of his/her life. Is that moral to be a vegetable for the rest of your life? It is not eugenics, it's compassion.
Miencraft, Rateria, Ankerland
Under a Pevvania Presidency Term 2, we'll have GREAT treaties, a smaller bureaucracy and a stronger military. Above all we will continue to MAKE LIBERTATEM GREAT AGAIN!
No. It is not moral to allow people to kill there children. Just because people are going to do that doesn't make it right. Murder is murder.
So? is a human beings value dependent only on their quality of life? No, it's intrinsic to there being. All people no matter how old, young, healthy, or disabled, deserve the same chance at life. And no one has the right to deprive them of it without a violation of their rights taking place. WHOA, hold up. it's the compassionate thing to kill the disabled? First off the incidence of physical disabilities that cause you to become a "vegetable" is incredibly low. It's much more common for developmental disabilities to the victims of abortion. For example Iceland has "cured" down syndrome experiencing an extreme drop in down syndrome births. Why? Well because 85% of the women that find out that they will be giving birth to a baby with down syndrome decide to kill it. How is that compassionate? That is selfish, that is eugenics, and that is murder.I agree whole heartedly. If the treatment for a condition the mother needs to receive, for example chemotherapy, would cause the unintentional side effect of killing the child that's different than actively killing it. Same if the mothers life is threatened by childbirth.
I don't want my tax dollars to be funding murder. Also there are plenty of people who can't have kids who desperately want them. Adoption is alway an option. For the first few years of my parents marriage they where unable to have kids despite trying. They were able to adopt my brothers, who were an unwanted teen pregnancy, and they have been such an important part of my life. To imagine that there are hundreds of thousands of babies just like my brothers being killed each year breaks my heart
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
President Pevvania
Executive Order
By the power vested in me by the Constitution of the Second Republic of Libertatem, I do hereby declare the month of December 14th 2017 to January 14th 2018 as 'Star Wars Month'. During this period, explicit discussion of 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' on the regional message board and all Discord channels is strictly prohibited, except for 'The Dred Monument'. This channel will be reserved for spoiler-related discussion amongst those who have watched the film. I will also be suspending RMB posting from embassy regions from Thursday until Monday as an added measure of security.
Those in violation of this executive order will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and or banned from the Libertatem Discord indefinitely.
It's in the spirit of our community that the Libertatem Government is taking these measures. The lore of Star Wars is something we all enjoy, and for the content to be ruined or spoiled by a rogue or an outsider would be irreparably damaging to the many fans of the films in this region.
Pevvania
President V of the Second Republic
Libertatem
Miencraft, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
LEGISLATION AND ORDERS SIGNED UNDER PRESIDENT PEVVANIA
September 1st - December 12th
-Executive Order #1: military reorganization order. 9/1
-Executive Order #2: Quinquennial Celebration Month. 9/1
-REAGAN Act: stopped population losses, began recovery. 9/12
-FRAUD Act Amendments: liberalized immigration laws. 10/27
-Termination of Libertatem-CFN partnership: foreign regions now respect Libertatem. 11/14
-SAVE Act drafted: refugee program. 11/26
-'Chief of Staff' post created. 11/28
-Discord Annexation Act signed: extends Libertatem law to Discord. 12/5
-Executive Memo #1: guidelines on elections. 12/7
-Executive Memo #2: Christmas Break ordinance. 12/7
-Law Code Amendment: adjusts definition of 'evasion'. 12/9
-Executive Order #3: outlaws disclosure of 'Star Wars' spoilers. 12/12.
PEV IS A HARD WORKER
PEV IS FIGHTING FOR PROGRESS AND SMALL GOVERNMENT
PEV IS MAKING LIBERTATEM GREAT AGAIN
[B][I]IT'S MORNING IN LIBERTATEM AGAIN![/I][/B]
Bro. Again. No shame.
Miencraft, Rateria, Venomringo, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Post self-deleted by Ankerland.
Im going to be completely honest with you. Stealing VenomRingos campaign slogan is only hurting your image.
Lol Pev used it originally. Look at the Office of the President at the 5th of December
Lmao
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Really? Interesting.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
wow
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
If anyone has any questions they'd like to see asked of the candidates at this weekend's Presidential debate, shoot me a telegram.
Rateria
Pev used it before VenomRingo ever got in the campaign. The reverse is true, though.
Pevvania
Man, it's been a long week and I haven't even memorized all of the EOs
Besides, 'Morning Again' means that things are looking up, i.e. Reagan's 1984 campaign. So Venom using that slogan is effectively endorsing me, lol. So he can keep using it if he wants.
That reminds me: #FreeSnany you dirty deepstate terrorist.
Campaign slogans are hard, man. I'm changing it to "It's about to be morning in Libertatem."
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa
A vote for me is a vote for you! (Unless you are my opponent, lol)
Miencraft, Pevvania, Humpheria, New Tampa
Vote Pev. Our military depends on it.
Pevvania, Humpheria, New Tampa
a vote for gary johnson is a vote for...clintrump?
Miencraft, Humpheria
New political talk show starring the four quadrants of the political compass
Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
I endorse [nation=short]Highway Eight[/nation] for Senate. He's quickly become a respected and trusted member of the Libertatem community, and with his proven leadership experience, he'll do wonderfully filling Seat 1.
Rateria, New Tampa, Highway Eight
Thank you for the kind endorsement, former President Minerva.
Republic Of Minerva, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
ANNOUNCEMENT
I am very pleased to announce that Chancellor of War [nation=short]New Tampa[/nation] has accepted my offer to be my running mate in this election. He is going to bring tremendous energy, dignity and enthusiasm to the vice presidency as well as to the Department of War. We are going to continue to MAKE LIBERTATEM GREAT AGAIN!
New Tampa
Thank you Mr. President, I must say that I believe you have done a lot for this region and hope you will continue helping Libertatem progress into the future.
Pevvania
Indeed, we will usher in a new great age for all Quakers. The reformation has begun.
Pevvania
Commies on here are so smug it makes me want to gut myself.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=venomringo/detail=factbook/id=937047
My Presidential platform for all who enjoy such.
Rateria, The Aradites, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight
Commies everywhere are smug scumbags.
I went undercover at a Communist club meeting in my city the other day and they claimed that values such as not stealing, not cheating, and working hard are perpetuated by the bourgeoisie to oppress the working class. They have no morals and I would feel nothing if they were all wiped out.
Pevvania, Rateria, Hayashimo
I wouldn't say I want them wiped out. I'd rather have them see the light of Libertarianism.
Do you hear that though? That's the sound of an angry commie making yet another post on the forum about how Libertatem is a terrorist region. (Yeah, I know you stalk us, losers.)
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
Undercover for Who?!
Oh no, a government agent!
Rateria
Fixed that for you.
Rateria
Commies in general make me want to gut myself
Rateria
I love Commies, their parties are all the rage.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
you have already lost
Pevvania, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight
New NS Forums post:
LIBERTATEM TURNS COMMIE????? TROLLED SO HARD!!! WAR ON FASCISM VICTORY
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Purple: Chill guy
Green: positive vibes
red and blue: that one guy who say "order wings"
Rateria
I'd like to say we're better than that. But it's ok, because communists aren't people.
I have disabled embassy posting as per the new executive order. I've unfortunately already been exposed to some alleged spoilers about the new film via Facebook. You can never be totally safe, but it always helps to be vigilant. I will always be here to keep Libertatem SAFE and SECURE, be it from spoilers, terrorists or communists! Make Libertatem Great Again!
Miencraft, Venomringo
Jar-Jar is D- *choking noises*
Miencraft, Rateria, New Tampa
When the government is the cause of your problems but you blame libertarians anyway
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
Vote Venom/Aradites 2017!
For far too long the forgetten men and women of this beautiful region have been deprived of a voice and I seek to restore such an integral voice to our region built by the people and for the people .This voice has been wanting a candidate to hear their demands, but they have been ignored by the bureaucrats in Reagan City! Election cycle after election cycle, the same establishment bureaucrats have been voted in by other bureaucrats who only seek to maintain the status quo of "good enough." This "normalcy" is dangerous the development of new, better ideas such as mine. You will be forgotten no longer under a President Venom.
The Aradites, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
A slow day today in Libertatem, but progress made nonetheless. Our 'extreme vetting' of embassies continues - we only pick from the cream of the crop. Also, I have presented the Senate with the SAVE Act, which would enable potentially hundreds of nations across NationStates to enjoy the Libertatem Dream and escape from the confines of tyranny. We see former friends like Central Pacific Empire and the Confederacy have been usurped by hostile regimes. The best we can do for our friends is to show them the light of liberty. Let's pass a refugee bill and make that a reality. The best and brightest should all come to Libertatem!
It's Morning in Libertatem Again!
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa, Highway Eight
Blue is best
Well memed.
It's not a joke
You keep telling yourself that.
Can't have economic freedom without personal freedom.
Miencraft, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
There is no such thing as a "safe dictatorship"
Miencraft, Jadentopian Order, New Tampa, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa
Purple > Green > Blue > Red
Nah, purple, blue, red then green. Because as much as I loathe the state communists, they're nowhere near as disingenuous and hypocritical as the "libertarian leftists" and ancoms that ruin our discourse. Commies will admit they want to rule you; ancoms will not. Also, lib-lefts smell bad.
Hayashimo, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Post self-deleted by Pevvania.
https://i.imgur.com/j51uHm1.gifv
Hold up, gotta edit this little guy, keep your pants on
How'd you know my pants are off huh?
[B]THE WAY FORWARD: BUILDING THE PATH TO THE 2020s
We have released the Pev/Tampa 2017 platform ahead of tonight's debate, which you can read below!
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=937312
Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Pants are back on
Miencraft, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Jaden I'm right next to you. Why are you ashamed about who you are?
I'M UGLY AND I'M PROUD
Pevvania
Not to me xox
Humph is not going to like you going public with this Pevvy
Let's be honest here, purple is the only good one. Everything else is horrid.
Pevvania, Jadentopian Order, New Tampa
Let's be doubly honest. Even if they're horrid, you're still going to have an order of preference for them.
Did you know there are lesser and greater values of infinity? Even if that knowledge isn't particularly useful to most people, they do exist.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order, New Tampa
Hey Vsauce, Michael here
Tune in to L-SPAN on Discord at 8.30pm EST to hear the Presidential Debate: Pev vs. Sean.
Miencraft, Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa
Debate recap:
-Sean and Pev both admit I run this region.
-Bickering about dumb stuff that was off topic for a whole 30 minutes. (Not even joking)
-Sean prefers personality over thicc. (Not even joking, again)
-PA declared best state in USA.
-Pev and Sean both in hospital suffering from acute kidney failure. Expected to pass within a few days.
Rateria, The Aradites, Venomringo, Hayashimo, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa, Highway Eight
Huge WIN for the MLGA Agenda - SAVE Act passes the Senate and is signed into law.
It's Morning in Libertatem Again!
Rateria, New Tampa, Highway Eight
Vote for Experienced Leadership!
-As Senator, VenomRingo has been the most vocal proponent of legislation that reduced the size of the regional bureaucracy and reduced the size of government.
-If and when elected, VenomRingo will vigorously recruit new and experienced nations into Libertatem, so we can increase the activity of our citizenry, military, and government.
-VenomRingo will only advocate for legislation that is useful to our beautiful region, not legislation that is only virtue signalling.
-If and when elected, VenomRingo will urge the Senate to listen to the people rather than their echoes in the Senate offices.
-VenomRingo bolstered the regional population in the International Republican Union when he was President for three terms before their Golden Age, during their Golden Age, and the Pax Romana that occurred afterwards.
In Your Heart, You Know He's Right!
Rateria, The Aradites, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa, Highway Eight
Countable vs uncountable, yep
Clarify your intention?
max barry took my gotdamn weed
Rateria
People who will shoot their eye out:
-You
Miencraft
Hello there, I'm new to this place. Nice to meet you all
Pevvania, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa
Welcome to tbe region! If you have any questions just telegram me. Also, we would love for you to join our Discord server
Rateria, New Tampa
What the viking said
Miencraft, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, New Tampa
Yay Im represented
The Aradites, Venomringo, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Hi. Warning, Lib bites newcomers. Enjoy your stay!
Miencraft
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