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Teuberland wrote:Oh thank goodness. Raiding is almost as bad as NS economics.

As the leader of what was once one of the most prominent anti-Communist raiding regions in the entire game, I am deeply offended by this comparison.

Still, the lack of big raiders makes everything a bit boring now. At this point you'd be lucky to get a few tag-raiders to come and annoy you.

Miencraft wrote:As the leader of what was once the most prominent anti-Communist raiding regions in the entire game

The nazi's just didn't have our flow.

Teuberland, Nova Condealism

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Looking for more regions to keep an eye on. Anyone have any recommendations?

I may be biased, but if you're not watching it already, perhaps The Most Serene Republic Of Montaris?

Nova Condealism

New Jaslandia wrote:I may be biased, but if you're not watching it already, perhaps The Most Serene Republic Of Montaris?

Seems like it has a lot of CFN's survivors..

New Jaslandia, Nova Condealism

Miencraft wrote:As the leader of what was once one of the most prominent anti-Communist raiding regions in the entire game, I am deeply offended by this comparison.

Still, the lack of big raiders makes everything a bit boring now. At this point you'd be lucky to get a few tag-raiders to come and annoy you.

As another former leader in the realm of anti-communist raiding, I strongly disagree with your conclusion.

NationStates has entered an era of relative tranquility - this is a peace many nations have worked ceaselessly to build and maintain. We are closer than ever before to the closure of the ideological gap, but the strategy of many totalitarian, invader, and imperialist regions remains as follows: divide and conquer.

New Jaslandia

Nova Condealism wrote:As another former leader in the realm of anti-communist raiding, I strongly disagree with your conclusion.

NationStates has entered an era of relative tranquility - this is a peace many nations have worked ceaselessly to build and maintain. We are closer than ever before to the closure of the ideological gap, but the strategy of many totalitarian, invader, and imperialist regions remains as follows: divide and conquer.

Well, the first part is a joke. I don't get offended by anything.

But we were a lot more active when we were a raiding region. Conflict keeps things alive.

Teuberland

Miencraft wrote:Well, the first part is a joke. I don't get offended by anything.

But we were a lot more active when we were a raiding region. Conflict keeps things alive.

That's correlative, not causative - our activity as a region is derived from the healthy collaboration and competition of the individuals who comprise it. Our past prosperity was more due to the fact that many of us were eagerly endeavoring to achieve our goals than the fact that our goals pertained to interregional conflict.

It's apathy, not peace, that keeps us from entering a second golden age. Our own allies are evidence of this.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Seems like it has a lot of CFN's survivors..

For the most part, yes.

Nova Condealism wrote:That's correlative, not causative - our activity as a region is derived from the healthy collaboration and competition of the individuals who comprise it. Our past prosperity was more due to the fact that many of us were eagerly endeavoring to achieve our goals than the fact that our goals pertained to interregional conflict.

It's apathy, not peace, that keeps us from entering a second golden age. Our own allies are evidence of this.

True enough.

Still, an argument is activity all the same...

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Even if you dislike raiding, I'm not certain that what happened is something to be happy about.

The mods were kind of ridiculous on that issue.

I'm not familiar with what happened to DEN. I do remember TBR being decapitated after the founder used a mod to kind'of cheat the game...on telegrams, right?

Teuberland wrote:I'm not familiar with what happened to DEN. I do remember TBR being decapitated after the founder used a mod to kind'of cheat the game...on telegrams, right?

I'm not familiar with the fate of TBR.

However, what happened with DEN was a few of the high command were found to have used an update tool that exceeded site API rates or something.

Anyhow, the issue was rather than just punish the rulebreakers, the mods decided to punish everyone and everything associated with DEN -- going to far as to hit regions that were associated with them in the past (before they were revived under then current leadership) but those regions were not tied to DEN anymore.

It was not pleasant, and greatly altered my opinion of this site's leadership.

Not a fan. So, like I said, even if you dislike raiding, I'm not certain that was an event to be celebrated.

Teuberland

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:I'm not familiar with the fate of TBR.

However, what happened with DEN was a few of the high command were found to have used an update tool that exceeded site API rates or something.

Anyhow, the issue was rather than just punish the rulebreakers, the mods decided to punish everyone and everything associated with DEN -- going to far as to hit regions that were associated with them in the past (before they were revived under then current leadership) but those regions were not tied to DEN anymore.

It was not pleasant, and greatly altered my opinion of this site's leadership.

Not a fan. So, like I said, even if you dislike raiding, I'm not certain that was an event to be celebrated.

Fair enough. I know TBR's head got deleted, and the region collapsed from the top down.

Though needless to say I remember DEN raiding my old region (I still have a nation there, it's just that this is my main). My problem with tag-raiding is that it tarnishes the appearance of small regions, and makes it hard for them to grow. Also some raiders had a mind to close all of our embassies and suppress as many posts as possible. This was extremely tedious to remedy with over 100 embassies and hundreds 'pon hundreds of posts (the older posts usually were just left as they were, since NS lets us look past them).

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:I'm not familiar with the fate of TBR.

However, what happened with DEN was a few of the high command were found to have used an update tool that exceeded site API rates or something.

Anyhow, the issue was rather than just punish the rulebreakers, the mods decided to punish everyone and everything associated with DEN -- going to far as to hit regions that were associated with them in the past (before they were revived under then current leadership) but those regions were not tied to DEN anymore.

It was not pleasant, and greatly altered my opinion of this site's leadership.

Not a fan. So, like I said, even if you dislike raiding, I'm not certain that was an event to be celebrated.

I think this may have happened while I had that really long period of inactivity. I also noticed that the Cimmerians were also victims of this mod action.

You guys wanna hear a joke?

Government.

Muh Roads, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Kumquat Cove, Teuberland, Nova Condealism

Miencraft wrote:You guys wanna hear a joke?

Government.

Wanna hear a bigger one?

This election cycle.

New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, Teuberland, Nova Condealism

I'm cracking up over here.

Muh Roads, Rateria

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Wanna hear a bigger one?

This election cycle.

I might have an even bigger one.

NS Logic.

New Jaslandia, Muh Roads, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Teuberland

Rateria wrote:I might have an even bigger one.

NS Logic.

Even better one?

The fact that humanity still exists.

Rateria

Teuberland wrote:Even better one?

The fact that humanity still exists.

That was just beautiful.

Teuberland

UPDATE: just saw a Gary Johnson tv ad on CNN.

If con is the opposite of pro is the opposite of progress congress?

Rateria, Nova Condealism

The United States Of Patriots wrote:If con is the opposite of pro is the opposite of progress congress?

Yes.

Also, zoological fact: a group of baboons is called a congress.

Rateria, Nova Condealism

The United States Of Patriots wrote:If con is the opposite of pro is the opposite of progress congress?

What's the opposite of the Constitution?

Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Shirayuki Mizore

Nova Condealism wrote:What's the opposite of the Constitution?

https://media.giphy.com/media/DsFhEEGzo9LVu/giphy.gif

Rateria, Nova Condealism

Teuberland wrote:UPDATE: just saw a Gary Johnson tv ad on CNN.

They are probably running them for free just to draw votes away from Trump.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:They are probably running them for free just to draw votes away from Trump.

Eh. The ad equally jabs both, and frankly both candidates are at risk for losing votes. Whether Gary can win, I don't know. Probably not, but appearing in the debates gives him more potential.

Kumquat Cove, Rateria, Salton Juncture, Nova Condealism

Hillary Clinton got her first classified security briefing Saturday.[1] Based on Hillary's track record handling classified information to date, Snowden should have it up on Wikileaks by Tuesday afternoon at the latest.

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[1] http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-arrives-fbi-office-1st-classified-briefing/story?id=41678486

Kumquat Cove, Teuberland

Teuberland wrote:Eh. The ad equally jabs both, and frankly both candidates are at risk for losing votes. Whether Gary can win, I don't know. Probably not, but appearing in the debates gives him more potential.

As long as the Libertarians get the support they need to be a major party, doesn't really matter that he's almost definitely not going to win.

Rateria, Teuberland, Nova Condealism

One of my classes is forcing us to read a book that non sequitur glorifies communists.

I've never been actively disgusted by a class or book before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Holy s***...

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:One of my classes is forcing us to read a book that non sequitur glorifies communists.

I've never been actively disgusted by a class or book before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Holy s***...

Suggest Planned Chaos as the next read?

Muh Roads wrote:Suggest Planned Chaos as the next read?

Somehow I don't think the professor will go for that considering it was him, not the school, that chose this this particular atrocity of a book.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:One of my classes is forcing us to read a book that non sequitur glorifies communists.

I've never been actively disgusted by a class or book before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Holy s***...

If you have to give a book report as part of your grade, don't tell them what you really think.

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:If you have to give a book report as part of your grade, don't tell them what you really think.

I'd argue damn the grade, give them what-for.

Obviously they wouldn't value free thought very much, but you've got to let them know that you won't tolerate their nonsense somehow.

Nova Condealism

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:One of my classes is forcing us to read a book that non sequitur glorifies communists.

I've never been actively disgusted by a class or book before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Holy s***...

When ever I get a new history text book I follow this flow chart:

Are any of the authors a UCLA Berkley graduate?

No: proceed as normal

Yes: place book on shelf and never read

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Shirayuki Mizore wrote:One of my classes is forcing us to read a book that non sequitur glorifies communists.

I've never been actively disgusted by a class or book before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Holy s***...

The book "The God That Failed" by Arthur Koestler comes to mind as a good counter, and has a tweakworthy title. One of the things I did in high school was pass out booklet size copies of The Road To Serfdom by Hayek, and Socialism by Von Mises to the entire class when the teacher turned out to be a rabid statist. I cannot seem to find the pamphlet versions, but the entire books are free online. Back in the 70s I had to ask JBS (John Birch Society -- yes, I was a teenage card carrying member of the JBS) members to help defray the costs; iirc it was FEE (Foundation for Economic Education) that sent a box of Bastiat's the Law to hand out to my classmates ex gratia as well.

I like the internet. Today, you can find a wealth of accurate resources online, instead of taking trial by error through inter-library loan. I would strongly recommend getting in touch with mises.org, fee.org, and cato.org; they seem to love helping students.

The God That Failed

https://rosswolfe.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/the-god-that-failed.pdf

Socialism

https://mises.org/system/tdf/Socialism%20An%20Economic%20and%20Sociological%20Analysis_3.pdf?file=1&type=document

Road to Serfdom

https://mises.org/system/tdf/Road%20to%20serfdom.pdf?file=1&type=document

The Law

https://mises.org/system/tdf/thelaw.pdf?file=1&type=document

***note: Don't be intimdated by von Mises, thumb through it, and use it like an encyclopedia or other reference book for the topic you need. ***

Rateria

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Narland wrote:The book "The God That Failed" by Arthur Koestler comes to mind as a good counter, and has a tweakworthy title. One of the things I did in high school was pass out booklet size copies of The Road To Serfdom by Hayek, and Socialism by Von Mises to the entire class when the teacher turned out to be a rabid statist. I cannot seem to find the pamphlet versions, but the entire books are free online. Back in the 70s I had to ask JBS (John Birch Society -- yes, I was a teenage card carrying member of the JBS) members to help defray the costs; iirc it was FEE (Foundation for Economic Education) that sent a box of Bastiat's the Law to hand out to my classmates ex gratia as well.

I like the internet. Today, you can find a wealth of accurate resources online, instead of taking trial by error through inter-library loan. I would strongly recommend getting in touch with mises.org, fee.org, and cato.org; they seem to love helping students.

The God That Failed

https://rosswolfe.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/the-god-that-failed.pdf

Socialism

https://mises.org/system/tdf/Socialism%20An%20Economic%20and%20Sociological%20Analysis_3.pdf?file=1&type=document

Road to Serfdom

https://mises.org/system/tdf/Road%20to%20serfdom.pdf?file=1&type=document

The Law

https://mises.org/system/tdf/thelaw.pdf?file=1&type=document

***note: Don't be intimdated by von Mises, thumb through it, and use it like an encyclopedia or other reference book for the topic you need. ***

I appreciate the links, and will likely make use of them elsewhere, but frankly there's nothing in the book to counter.

You see, I think many of you are misinterpreting the source of my disgust. I don't mind reading communist nonsense when that's what it is in its own right.

The issue here is that this text has nothing to do with communism whatsoever, and yet it completely goes off topic for a few pages to jack off communists for a while -- for no reason and to the detriment of the overall argument of the text.

It's insane. It's like some demented fan fiction, only this was written by a doctorate holder and is supposed to be considered college material.

I was completely dumbstruck when I read it, hence my post here which I normally would have avoided.

Narland, Rateria

In my intro to college English class we are going to end up talking about Marxism and feminism eventually. And when I say Marxism and Feminism I mean talking about it at the same time.

It's like you couldn't choose just one thing I oppose to talk about, no you have to them both at the same time.

I have a plan to sit near the door during that class to make sure I can escape in case sht goes crazy.

Side note: I love it when I say I oppose Feminism and the first response is "So you don't believe women should have rights?" No I fkn don't, I'm an individualist where rights are for individuals only not arbitrary groups.

The Aradites wrote:In my intro to college English class we are going to end up talking about Marxism and feminism eventually. And when I say Marxism and Feminism I mean talking about it at the same time.

That's stupid. One's a destructively misguided ideology permeated by rational egalitarian thinkers, and the other's a school of rational egalitarian thought permeated by destructively misguided ideologues. (In case you couldn't tell, that's Marxism and feminism, respectively.)

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, The Aradites

Guess who's back

Back again

Pev is back

Tell a friend

Miencraft, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, Hyderbourg, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots, Shirayuki Mizore

Unfortunately I simply do not have the time to play NS as actively as I used to anymore, but I'll still be checking in to see old friends and support y'all.

Just got back from working in the San Bernardino Mountains, CA for 3 months and man, it's a real downer coming back to the UK from that.

Pevvania wrote:Guess who's back

Back again

Pev is back

Tell a friend

I kept your seat warm.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Teuberland

Pevvania wrote:Unfortunately I simply do not have the time to play NS as actively as I used to anymore, but I'll still be checking in to see old friends and support y'all.

Just got back from working in the San Bernardino Mountains, CA for 3 months and man, it's a real downer coming back to the UK from that.

I'll bet. Once you've got a taste for American freedom, it can be hard to let go.

Pevvania, Narland, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Teuberland

Pevvania wrote:Unfortunately I simply do not have the time to play NS as actively as I used to anymore, but I'll still be checking in to see old friends and support y'all.

Just got back from working in the San Bernardino Mountains, CA for 3 months and man, it's a real downer coming back to the UK from that.

I don't envy anyone who sees California as an improvement over... well... anything.

Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Nova Condealism wrote:I'll bet. Once you've got a taste for American freedom, it can be hard to let go.

https://youtu.be/IhnUgAaea4M

Nova Condealism

Nova Condealism wrote:I'll bet. Once you've got a taste for American freedom, it can be hard to let go.

Since when is California a shining example of freedom?

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:Since when is California a shining example of freedom?

When your only other perspective is the UK, it's pretty grossly incandescent.

Pevvania, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Nova Condealism

Miencraft wrote:When your only other perspective is the UK, it's pretty grossly incandescent.

This

Also, if anyone's interested in grand strategy, every Paradox game is on sale on Steam right now. You could grab EU4 and CK2 for a total of twenty bucks.

Teuberland, Shirayuki Mizore

Cut taxes on luxury goods---OOH LOOK THE ECONOMY DROPPED!

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:When your only other perspective is the UK, it's pretty grossly incandescent.

Oh, and the Reagan Library is in California, too.

That's pretty much the only reason to go to California, though, but at least it's a damn good reason.

Nova Condealism

Miencraft wrote:Also, if anyone's interested in grand strategy, every Paradox game is on sale on Steam right now. You could grab EU4 and CK2 for a total of twenty bucks.

Seriously? Thanks for the tip.

Teuberland

Pevvania wrote:Unfortunately I simply do not have the time to play NS as actively as I used to anymore, but I'll still be checking in to see old friends and support y'all.

Just got back from working in the San Bernardino Mountains, CA for 3 months and man, it's a real downer coming back to the UK from that.

Make time bruh 'fore I make time for yuh

Miencraft wrote:Also, if anyone's interested in grand strategy, every Paradox game is on sale on Steam right now. You could grab EU4 and CK2 for a total of twenty bucks.

Bought CKII last night. Thanks bruh.

Miencraft

Gar! I spent two hours working on a fact book post only to loose it after having to log in again. I am done for the day. Lesson learned--Next time use an html editor, save early/save often and paste into NS.

Miencraft, Rateria

California is good.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=251537

Very few places are still habitable for our people, the people of the plains. The people of Salton Juncture have a small presence there but the rest is plain on the map and we respect their land claim. Not so with the Coumba who paints everything purple, forcing us to move westward, and making our children drown on grape juice and choke on eggplant.

But California is still a plain spot on the map. The land of fruits and nuts they say, but we call it our home. Sadly we can make no claim to the map.

We ask please that you great citizen nations let us live there in peace and do not take away our last refuge.

Ah! I earned my first report on the forum!

I'm so proud of myself.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Ah! I earned my first report on the forum!

I'm so proud of myself.

Not for nothing, but I don't think that's a reasonable accomplishment.

Nova Condealism wrote:Not for nothing, but I don't think that's a reasonable accomplishment.

It's half in jest (though admittedly half not so.)

The issue being that any time that you oppose someone on the forums or cause them cognitive dissonance you seem to have a fifty-fifty chance of being accused of "flaming or trolling, I don't know which."

Dependent upon the user which whom you're conversing, of course.

Honestly, I'm just kind of amused that it took me this long to show up on a report.

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself, I am [nation=short]the_Wisconsinite_Confederation[/nation]. I have played this game before and decided to play again, so I created this nation and came here. I am a libertarian.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The Wisconsinite Confederation wrote:Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself, I am [nation=short]the_Wisconsinite_Confederation[/nation]. I have played this game before and decided to play again, so I created this nation and came here. I am a libertarian.

Welcome to Libertatem!

The Wisconsinite Confederation

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What's up

No homework all weekend. It's been nice.

Teuberland wrote:No homework all weekend. It's been nice.

I envy you

Teuberland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I envy you

Ikr? All I've got is extra credit.

Teuberland wrote:Ikr? All I've got is extra credit.

Has anyone noticed how many over achievers and advanced classes people are on this site?

Rateria, Teuberland

What do you guys do other than NS?

The Wisconsinite Confederation wrote:What do you guys do other than NS?

There is no other.

Rateria, Teuberland, The Wisconsinite Confederation

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:There is no other.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3GYmecuz4ncOc/giphy.gif

I wonder how many of the Americans in this region support either Federalism or Confederalism. As a Libertarian I am a confederationalist when it comes to American politics and believe that the central government should only be in charge of foreign policy, the military, and currency, all other powers should go to the states and their territories.

I concur.

I am a Federalist in the original sense. One of the greatest bait and switch tactics of the 18th Century was during our establishment when the Nationalists called themselves Federalists, and the original Federalists got labelled as Anti-federalists for opposing the new Constitution. Before the Civil War a Confederation had a stronger central administration than a Federation; afterwards the meanings flipped.

The Constitution is to secure the blessings of Liberty. It gives the federal government a limited number of enumerated powers in 17 sentences that amount to roughly 20 functions depending how one lists them. My State Constitution has 123 enumerated functions scattered throughout its corpus. I expect them to do only what they are contracted to do, do it well, and stay out of things for which they have no lawful interest. Everything else is relegated to the silent branches of Federalist governance, the States and the People.

The Wisconsinite Confederation

California may seem like a liberal nanny state to you guys, but compared to the rest of the world it's pretty free. Marijuana is practically legal, you can concealed carry if you're 21 and there's no socialised medicine. Can this be said of any other country in the world? No.

Say what you want about it's politics, but Cali's a beautiful state.

Nova Condealism

California was at the forefront of eugenics up until the 60s lmao

Guys, I thought this was a stronghold for radical Reaganism; what's with all the Cali hate, lmao

Narland wrote:I concur.

I am a Federalist in the original sense. One of the greatest bait and switch tactics of the 18th Century was during our establishment when the Nationalists called themselves Federalists, and the original Federalists got labelled as Anti-federalists for opposing the new Constitution. Before the Civil War a Confederation had a stronger central administration than a Federation; afterwards the meanings flipped.

The Constitution is to secure the blessings of Liberty. It gives the federal government a limited number of enumerated powers in 17 sentences that amount to roughly 20 functions depending how one lists them. My State Constitution has 123 enumerated functions scattered throughout its corpus. I expect them to do only what they are contracted to do, do it well, and stay out of things for which they have no lawful interest. Everything else is relegated to the silent branches of Federalist governance, the States and the People.

A similar thing happened with the word "Liberal" which originally the philosophy of liberals was conservatism. Then in the 1930's progressives(AKA Communism-friendly-fascist-loving socialists) realizing that their brand is unchangeably smeared with their failures from the 1920's. Such as Prohibition, Eugenics, everything else they've ever done, ect... Decided to appropriate (isn't it refreshing to have that word used correctly?) the label of Liberalism to which all of the "Liberals" say: No you're not a Liberal. But if you are taking that title for yourself I guess we need a new word to describe our philosophy(which hasn't change). Screw it we want to conserve the constitution we'll call ourselves conservatives.

And of course the so called "conservatives" now aren't conservatives anymore.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, The Wisconsinite Confederation

Pevvania wrote:California may seem like a liberal nanny state to you guys, but compared to the rest of the world it's pretty free. Marijuana is practically legal, you can concealed carry if you're 21 and there's no socialised medicine. Can this be said of any other country in the world? No.

Say what you want about it's politics, but Cali's a beautiful state.

In the past few years the last two have changed. Gun rights in California suck and we are on our way to single payer healthcare in this country (shoot me, wait, never mind I'm in a state with gun rights galore XD)

Still better than Europe though. And the middle east goes without saying.

Narland

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Nova Condealism wrote:Guys, I thought this was a stronghold for radical Reaganism; what's with all the Cali hate, lmao

Unfortunately CA is not a very free state. Only NY is worse on the Freedom Index. Of course compared to the typical Mediterranean Country, CA and NY are heaven. Compared to other US States not so much. Reaganism never really caught on or stuck in CA.

http://www.freedominthe50states.org/

That is a very good resource, btw.

Narland wrote:Only NY is worse on the Freedom Index.

Seriously can someone wire me some money so I can get the hell out of here

The Wisconsinite Confederation

The Wisconsinite Confederation wrote:What do you guys do other than NS?

I make TV for a living.

Miencraft wrote:Seriously can someone wire me some money so I can get the hell out of here

I got... **Count, count, count... ** $2.41 and an Aladdin's Castle game token. Will that help?

Miencraft, Rateria, Shirayuki Mizore

If you're already made your money, California's a great place: beautiful environment and sunny and nice all year round. If you're trying to build wealth...not so much.

One good thing about living California is Prop 13, which limits the amount of property tax increases each year as long as you stay in your home.

That favors long-time homeowners--I pay about 1/3 the property tax of the guy who buys a house next to mine tomorrow. And people who have been around for 30 years are paying less than me.

Miencraft wrote:Seriously can someone wire me some money so I can get the hell out of here

Just go to mexico before the wall is built.

Plugo wrote:Just go to mexico before the wall is built.

I have two problems with this.

First is that Mexico is even worse.

Second is that walls wouldn't keep me from going to a gate and saying "yo here's my passport let me go to Mexico".

Of course, that's probably a joke, but I like to do stuff like this.

Miencraft wrote:I have two problems with this.

First is that Mexico is even worse.

Second is that walls wouldn't keep me from going to a gate and saying "yo here's my passport let me go to Mexico".

Of course, that's probably a joke, but I like to do stuff like this.

Lmao, i don't think the wall would have a gate, that would defeat the whole purpose of building it XD.

Lol yeah mexico is bad to live in but as a youngster it's nice to go over there for a weekend and have some fun >:).

Also what state are you in?

Plugo wrote:Lmao, i don't think the wall would have a gate, that would defeat the whole purpose of building it XD.

Donald Trump did say that he would have a gap in the wall for legal immigrants. An absolute solid wall without any entrances would just be impractical.

Plugo wrote:Lmao, i don't think the wall would have a gate, that would defeat the whole purpose of building it XD.

Lol yeah mexico is bad to live in but as a youngster it's nice to go over there for a weekend and have some fun >:).

Also what state are you in?

First, it's a wall to keep illegals out. A border wall isn't going to be some impenetrable forcefield; you need to be able to move through it at checkpoints, so that you can actually immigrate legally. If you have a gate in it, and you're guarding that gate to make sure that only the people that are allowed to come in can, then you're doing exactly what the wall is meant to do. Border walls aren't supposed to just stop all movement. They're meant to define borders and make sure people can't cross those borders whenever they want.

Secondly,

Miencraft wrote:Seriously can someone wire me some money so I can get the hell out of here

Consider the context of this.

Castaway Island Of Wilson wrote:If you're already made your money, California's a great place: beautiful environment and sunny and nice all year round. If you're trying to build wealth...not so much.

One good thing about living California is Prop 13, which limits the amount of property tax increases each year as long as you stay in your home.

That favors long-time homeowners--I pay about 1/3 the property tax of the guy who buys a house next to mine tomorrow. And people who have been around for 30 years are paying less than me.

There's far more wrong with Cali than the economic side.

Frankly, I've never understood the weight people place on weather. I actually like several forms of inclement weather. I'd never sacrifice nice government for a bit of sun.

Miencraft wrote:

Consider the context of this.

North Korea?

Miencraft wrote:Seriously can someone wire me some money so I can get the hell out of here

New Hampshire is just a hitch-hike away. ;)

Miencraft wrote:First, it's a wall to keep illegals out. A border wall isn't going to be some impenetrable forcefield; you need to be able to move through it at checkpoints, so that you can actually immigrate legally. If you have a gate in it, and you're guarding that gate to make sure that only the people that are allowed to come in can, then you're doing exactly what the wall is meant to do. Border walls aren't supposed to just stop all movement. They're meant to define borders and make sure people can't cross those borders whenever they want.

Secondly,

Consider the context of this.

Fair enough.

Ill give you 500$ and you can come to florida for a couple days lmao.

Narland wrote:New Hampshire is just a hitch-hike away. ;)

I know, and as soon as I get some decent moneys I'm getting my ass over there.

Gonna make an amazing jump from the least-free state in the union to the most-free. That'll be amazing.

Narland, Teuberland

Muh Roads wrote:Muh Aleppo!

Even if it was overblown, that was pretty embarrassing... I got some secondhand from that...

Rateria, Teuberland

I got warned for flaming. My buttons get pushed in surprising ways. Willful ignorance is insufferable and I loose my patience. Any suggestions on resources about sharpening skills on dealing with such things?

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Even if it was overblown, that was pretty embarrassing... I got some secondhand from that...

Never heard of Aleppo til this either.

Narland wrote:I got warned for flaming. My buttons get pushed in surprising ways. Willful ignorance is insufferable and I loose my patience. Any suggestions on resources about sharpening skills on dealing with such things?

Live and let live brotha

Nova Condealism

A positive thing. Johnson is getting more press, and with that, the opportunity to talk about the the platform.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Nova Condealism

Muh Roads wrote:Muh Aleppo!

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:Even if it was overblown, that was pretty embarrassing... I got some secondhand from that...

Who in the US other than military advisers and history majors, knows the 3rd largest Metro of the Ottoman Empire and the endpoint of the Silk Road?

Muh Roads wrote:Never heard of Aleppo til this either.

Live and let live brotha

Point taken. Unrealistic expectations for intelligent conversation can be maddening. Dum vivimus vivamus.

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