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Humpheria wrote:Lone Star: Darth Maul

Snabagag: Dooku

Then who's Kenobi?

Reagan: You were my brother pev: I loved you

Pev: I hate You!

Hallo is Princess Leia.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Hallo is Princess Leia.

I was thinking chief Ewok. (just kidding Hallo, don't whine)

The Amarican Empire wrote:Reagan: You were my brother pev: I loved you

Pev: I hate You!

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I think in this instance it might be

Liberosia: Sidious

Pev: Vader

Humph: Luke that has fallen to the dark side

or

Liberosia: Darth Bane's Ghost

Pev: Sidious

Humph: Vader

Wait isn't Pev Sidious? Official vote right now for the sake of this argument, the first senario above or the second? I personally prefer senario 2.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Hallo is Princess Leia.

haha sounds legit

Humpheria wrote:I was thinking chief Ewok. (just kidding Hallo, don't whine)

no not even chief, he has to be Wicket.

Fun Fact: the word "Ewok" is never even said in the movie

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Wait isn't Pev Sidious? Official vote right now for the sake of this argument, the first senario above or the second? I personally prefer senario 2.

I prefer to simply BE the Dark Side

Humpheria wrote:As much as I disagreed with TTA, the current "MPA" is nothing cloe to what it used to be. TTA may have been a communist, but he was a good leader.

Awww

Thank yo-

....I wasn't a Communist.

Humpheria wrote:The MPA was at least semi-successful. They didn't win any elections but they were stronger than it's current embodiment.

Much. Hallo when I told you to refound the MPA I trusted you. I was wrong.

Humpheria wrote:The RLP and the ACPL have informally joined a political alliance!

Are you kidding me? Okay. MPA needs to be refounded right.

The Amarican Empire wrote:TTA is the ewok.

*Nods*

The rebels would've lost without me.

-I speak. Everyone leaves. -

Albenia wrote:-I speak. Everyone leaves. -

Would you restart the minority parties thing

Albenia wrote:Awww

Thank yo-

….I wasn't a Communist. Much. Hallo when I told you to refound the MPA I trusted you. I was wrong. Are you kidding me? Okay. MPA needs to be refounded right.

Don't even start bro

Liberosia wrote:I prefer to simply BE the Dark Side

Well then there we go

Liberosia: The Eternal Embodiment of the Dark Side of The Force

Pevvania: Supreme Lord of the Sith Darth Sidious

Humpheria: Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Vader

Humpheria wrote:I was thinking chief Ewok. (just kidding Hallo, don't whine)

technically he shouldn't complain at all it's just an analogy, and at that, a pretty accurate one. Although this means one day you will be defeated by teddy bears...

If he turned to the dark side.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Don't encourage him!

It's interesting!

Liberosia wrote:Would you restart the minority parties thing

Due to the reasons I am not allowed to be politically active due to my banning. I can not.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Don't encourage him!

I encourage myself

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Don't even start bro

I won't deny I like Original Communism; however it is a form of government that will never come to pass thus we shouldn't attempt to try to become Communist as it always leads to a State socialist society.

Albenia wrote:Due to the reasons I am not allowed to be politically active due to my banning. I can not.I encourage myselfI won't deny I like Original Communism; however it is a form of government that will never come to pass thus we shouldn't attempt to try to become Communist as it always leads to a State socialist society.

Ah yes, you were banned.

Probably true.

We get it, you like fiction

The Amarican Empire wrote:I would be Luke

The Amarican Empire wrote:If he turned to the dark side.

I don't really think you can be a part of this analogy since you're in the Paul Party. You could be a bounty hunter I guess. Do you want to be Boba Fett?

Albenia wrote:Due to the reasons I am not allowed to be politically active due to my banning. I can not.I encourage myselfI won't deny I like Original Communism; however it is a form of government that will never come to pass thus we shouldn't attempt to try to become Communist as it always leads to a State socialist society.

O…ok just, let's not.

Liberosia wrote:Ah yes, you were banned.

Probably true.

We get it, you like fiction

1. Indeed. However if the Board reversed it we could get something done.

2. Like Marx said "I don't care for being popular." (Not an exact quote but rather close)

3. I do like Fiction. MLP FTW!

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:

O…...ok just, let's not.

What?

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I don't really think you can be a part of this analogy since you're in the Paul Party. You could be a bounty hunter I guess. Do you want to be Boba Fett?

O�ok just, let's not.

no, I am not Payed to work for the Empire!

Albenia wrote:1. Indeed. However if the Board reversed it we could get something done.

2. Like Marx said "I don't care for being popular." (Not an exact quote but rather close)

3. I do like Fiction. MLP FTW!

1. Eh...nahhh...

2. I'm sure we can all trust the word of his Holiness Karl Marx

3. What...nvm...

you could be Lando Calrissian then? or Han?

and I think the other day you even said you are the closest thing to a lap dog around here so I thought it would be fitting because Boba Fett is a private contractor

The Amarican Empire wrote:aka RLP

I transcend the RLP, as I am the living embodiment of the Dark Side

Liberosia wrote:1. Eh...nahhh...

2. I'm sure we can all trust the word of his Holiness Karl Marx

3. What...nvm...

1. Well there goes my way back in. That's cool.

2. If he were alive today yes. Seeing as his class warfare struggle were predominantly focused on Capitalism we no longer truly have though.....

3. It's a good show. Try it out.

Albenia wrote:1. Well there goes my way back in. That's cool.

2. If he were alive today yes. Seeing as his class warfare struggle were predominantly focused on Capitalism we no longer truly have though.....

3. It's a good show. Try it out.

1. We'll see

2. I don't even know what that means, but I don't really want an explanation

3. Eh, maybe

Albenia wrote:1. Well there goes my way back in. That's cool.

2. If he were alive today yes. Seeing as his class warfare struggle were predominantly focused on Capitalism we no longer truly have though.....

3. It's a good show. Try it out.

Karl Marx was an idiot who based his ideology on getting the things that he wanted. He was an economist, yes, but he had little experience with the beauty of free market capitalism and saw things at a very biased perspective. Please get that weak sh*t that is communism out of here.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I think i am the Closest thing to a lap dog in the region, besides Hallos supporters who do his every wish.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Karl Marx was an idiot who based his ideology on getting the things that he wanted. He was an economist, yes, but he had little experience with the beauty of free market capitalism and saw things at a very biased perspective. Please get that weak sh*t that is communism out of here.

Okay, if you want to debate, go ahead. As for me, I would direct anyone interested in my reservations about marxism to my factbook entry "My Debate with a Marxist".

I also discourage the advocacy of communism above basically any other ideology...just btw

Liberosia wrote:1. We'll see

2. I don't even know what that means, but I don't really want an explanation

3. Eh, maybe

1. Yes we will

2. It means most of the things he disliked about Capitalism are fixing themselves in a way.

3. YES!

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Karl Marx was an idiot who based his ideology on getting the things that he wanted. He was an economist, yes, but he had little experience with the beauty of free market capitalism and saw things at a very biased perspective. Please get that weak sh*t that is communism out of here.

Everyone's ideology is based off what they want/ think is best. Frankly Communism is to help the Working class and not the Rich high up classes. Free Market Capitalism without restrictions is asking for discrimination, Unfair wages, and environmental disaster. Basically everyone see's thing at a biased Point of View. it's called where you grew up and what environment you grew up in.

I don't intend to debate, especially at this hour I was just throughing a little somethin somethin out there

The Amarican Empire wrote:

People Support Hallo?

Liberosia wrote:Okay, if you want to debate, go ahead. As for me, I would direct anyone interested in my reservations about marxism to my factbook entry "My Debate with a Marxist".

I also discourage the advocacy of communism above basically any other ideology...just btw

Liberal Socialism is best ideaology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_socialism

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I don't intend to debate, especially at this hour I was just throughing a little somethin somethin out there

*sadface*

Okay.....

Albenia wrote:1. Yes we will

2. It means most of the things he disliked about Capitalism are fixing themselves in a way.

3. YES!

Everyone's ideology is based off what they want/ think is best. Frankly Communism is to help the Working class and not the Rich high up classes. Free Market Capitalism without restrictions is asking for discrimination, Unfair wages, and environmental disaster. Basically everyone see's thing at a biased Point of View. it's called where you grew up and what environment you grew up in.

So I guess you grew up in soviet russia in the unheard of mormon district? Because by your logic that must be true.

And I must have atheist parents, right? Oh no, they are super Catholic. So this doesn't really apply here.

The Amarican Empire wrote:maybe i am starkiller.

IT IS DECIDED

I end with that though, goodnight everyone

Albenia wrote:*sadface*

Okay.....

I'll engage in a socratic discussion sometime in the future, if you want. However, I am not prepared to accept socialism on moral and ethical grounds, even above the economic arguments (which are superior for capitalism.) To this end you will not convince me, but I am willing to share knowledge about philosophy with you.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:So I guess you grew up in soviet russia in the unheard of mormon district? Because by your logic that must be true.

And I must have atheist parents, right? Oh no, they are super Catholic. So this doesn't really apply here.

Your Environment isn't limited to your family and friends. It can influenced by the Internet, Personal thought processes and events that happen around you.

I was born in Macon, Georgia.........

Albenia wrote:Your Environment isn't limited to your family and friends. It can influenced by the Internet, Personal thought processes and events that happen around you.

I was born in Macon, Georgia.........

Background is irrelevant if an individual is open to new evidence and uses logic/reason with rational premises.

At that I bid you all good night

Good night. I must go as well. See you all Tomorrow...Maybe

Random review on Representative Democracy here.

A democracy requires an informed populace to function properly. Today, citizens learn about issues and politics from the news media. However, the news media are quite often controlled by large corporations with political agendas. Furthermore, citizens get no direct say on any issue and instead must support a platform or a candidate that does not have their best interest in mind. Many free thinking voters will find that none of the candidates from which they may choose, or none of those who stand a realistic chance of being elected represent the voters own views. This leaves a voter with a choice of not voting, voting for a candidate that does not serve their best interest, or abstaining from participating in an election. A fourth option exists in which a voter becomes a candidate and runs in an election themselves. This is impractical however because of the financial burden placed on candidates. They do not have the funding or the support needed to be heard. No one takes third party candidates seriously.

The act of voting itself is quite trivial.. Citizens take one day off from work every couple years to go and spend 3 minutes casting a ballot and choosing from unfamiliar people who are granted immense power over their lives. Limits to participation in the democratic process are also a common issue. Voter ID's are a form of disenfranchisement used to prevent poor people who usually do not have a form of identification from voting. Some poor in the city would not have a drivers license or other form of identification.

Corruption is also a major issue of the democratic process. Representatives are given great power and influence. This can be used for personal gain for themselves or friends and family. They owe their buddies who got them into office through funding their campaign.

In closing, I contend that we are not a democratic society but a capitalistic society. The wealth of an individual directly correlates to his or her influence in society. Make no mistake, the 'democratic process' seems more like an oligarchy than a democracy on the federal and state levels especially. I have only covered a few issues with the political system. There are countless more, including the fact that politicians themselves are not informed enough to make good decisions on the majority of issues.

I suppose the "spread of democracy" throughout the world was truly just the spreading of the influence of the dollar.

Kay, so I didn't think I'd end up agreeing with stuff TTA said.

Except this part.

Albenia wrote: Voter ID's are a form of disenfranchisement used to prevent poor people who usually do not have a form of identification from voting. Some poor in the city would not have a drivers license or other form of identification.

"Requiring a photo ID is neither an onerous nor a unique requirement in the twenty-first century. Identification is required to obtain [many things]... Yet, when it comes to state efforts to ensure the integrity of the electoral process through modest voter identification laws, there are howls of protest from certain political activists... Merely requesting an individual to establish eligibility for voting is portrayed as a resurrection of Jim Crow laws." ~Mark Levin, The Liberty Amendments

He then quotes Attorney General Holder, 'Many of those without IDs would have to travel great distances to get them and some would struggle to pay for the documents they might need to obtain them. We call those poll taxes."

He returns, "Holder felt no urgency to offer any substantive information about... how those same individuals managed to function in their daily lives without a photo ID right now."

So, uh. Yeah. Requiring something that almost everything else in life requires to do something as simple as voting is corrupt... how?

Your favourite incumbent is back. The exam went reasonably well.

Anyways, onto more pressing matters: my proposed Constitutional Amendment passed weakly, with the support of

-The President

-Two out of three Managers

-Three out of five Board Members

-A unanimous House vote (two Reps)

Shocking turnout. But it's just barely enough to pass into law. I'll codify the amendment below.

Constitutional Amendment to Section II, Subsection II of the TERM Amendment

Changes "The election will take place between the 25th and 27th day of each month" to "The election of each Board member shall occur during any span of time between the 20th and final day of each month, provided that a sufficient and equal amount of time is allocated for the election of each Seat. The President, Founder, Board or other deputised official will organise the finer details and rules of Board Elections. "

It's even better when you consider that nobody would be listening to Holder's speech there if they didn't have photo ID.

Pevvania wrote:Your favourite incumbent is back. The exam went reasonably well.

Anyways, onto more pressing matters: my proposed Constitutional Amendment passed weakly, with the support of

-The President

-Two out of three Managers

-Three out of five Board Members

-A unanimous House vote (two Reps)

Shocking turnout. But it's just barely enough to pass into law. I'll codify the amendment below.

Constitutional Amendment to Section II, Subsection II of the TERM Amendment

Changes "The election will take place between the 25th and 27th day of each month" to "The election of each Board member shall occur during any span of time between the 20th and final day of each month, provided that a sufficient and equal amount of time is allocated for the election of each Seat. The President, Founder, Board or other deputised official will organise the finer details and rules of Board Elections. "

PUT A POLL UP!

Board Races

Seat One: TNUS (RLP) vs. Lack there of (LP) vs. Hallo (OP)

Seat Two: Humpheria (RLP)

Seat Three: Amarican (PP) vs. Ipian (ILCP)

Seat Four: Miencraft (RLP) vs. Lone Star (I)

Seat Five: Godisdead (RLP) vs. RRRG (I)

Pevvania wrote:Board Races

Seat One: TNUS (RLP) vs. Lack there of (LP) vs. Hallo (OP)

Seat Two: Humpheria (RLP)

Seat Three: Amarican (PP) vs. Ipian (ILCP)

Seat Four: Miencraft (RLP) vs. Lone Star (I)

Seat Five: Godisdead (RLP) vs. RRRG (I)

I think it would be most efficient to make each one a day long.

Shockingly, Seat 1 has actually become a battleground for the first time ever. It's unfortunate that Lack There Of is not here to defend his position, but this is the law and it's his own fault for inactivity.

I was going to vote for him, but I believe that he is about done with NS.

Okay so board Seat 1 race....

Lack There Of (LP)

The New United States (RLP)

Hallo Island (OP)

I don't like it, but the only good candidate here might be the RLP candidate.

Miencraft wrote:

So, uh. Yeah. Requiring something that almost everything else in life requires to do something as simple as voting is corrupt... how?

Because unlike the other stuff you need ID for, The Right to vote is Extremely important compared to the other things you would need a Photo ID for. After all Voting allows you to have a say over the people who dictate the laws of your country.

Albenia wrote:Okay so board Seat 1 race....

Lack There Of (LP)

The New United States (RLP)

Hallo Island (OP)

I don't like it, but the only good candidate here might be the RLP candidate.

*Fanfare and reporters frantically scribbling in notebooks*

Humpheria wrote:*Fanfare and reporters frantically scribbling in notebooks*

Well It is true.

Lack has disappeared so you can't really trust him to be active

and Hallo over here gets off on insulting everyone and frankly failing at a leadership position in the MPA.

I Don't Know this New US guy, but he seems like the only good choice.

Also. I might as well fiddle with the government of this nation while I'm using it....What type of Government should I try for.

He was here back before you first showed up in the form of a different nation. He was on the Board before.

Humpheria wrote:He was here back before you first showed up in the form of a different nation. He was on the Board before.

Has he not been on since?

He left for awhile, but he's back.

Humpheria wrote:He left for awhile, but he's back.

Okay. I got worried. If you had said he still hadn't come back I would have been worried that all three of them were incompetent....

I have a really big announcement that I can't wait to tell. But I have to wait for some responses.

Humpheria wrote:I have a really big announcement that I can't wait to tell. But I have to wait for some responses.

What is this big announcement?

You'll find out when I get the responses. Shouldn't be too long.

Albenia wrote:Also. I might as well fiddle with the government of this nation while I'm using it....What type of Government should I try for.

Capitalizt.

Humpheria wrote:I tried to get it done legitimately, but someone still claimed a redress voted for by the Board was illegal. *glares at Muh*

...

Pevvania wrote:It seems that it's harder to avoid this game than I thought.

I consider defeating the new constitutional movement one of my proudest early achievements in office. At the time, it was quite scary and to me seemed like a threat to the stability of the region. The document itself, no offense to those who drafted it, was a very poorly written morass of obscure old ideas and bad new ones. I'm so glad we pursued reform rather than replacement.

This guy <3

Hate to say Humpy, I had a lot of supporters rooting for my cause.. lol

Anyway, I'm doing my best to check in time from time until I'm replaced. Have the successor TG, I'll give them some useful info.

Albenia wrote:Because unlike the other stuff you need ID for, The Right to vote is Extremely important compared to the other things you would need a Photo ID for. After all Voting allows you to have a say over the people who dictate the laws of your country.

But... I thought your whole post there was to point out that that's actually not what happens with voting.

And, related, you need an ID to buy firearms. Are not the rights to live and bear arms important as well?

You need an ID to buy alcohol, which, being technically a luxury item, falls under something you should be able to have, as per the right to pursue happiness.

But best of all, you need identification to even enter the country in the first place and to continue to be here, unless you're natural-born. Since being in the country (unless you're in the military, which by the way requires ID) is a prerequisite for voting, I'd say it's considerably more important to have an ID for that than for voting.

Albenia wrote:Well It is true.

Lack has disappeared so you can't really trust him to be active

and Hallo over here gets off on insulting everyone and frankly failing at a leadership position in the MPA.

I Don't Know this New US guy, but he seems like the only good choice.

Excuse me, who are you to criticize me?

Hallo Island wrote:Excuse me, who are you to criticize me?

A valid criticism, even from someone as infamous as TTA, is still a valid criticism.

Hallo Island wrote:Excuse me, who are you to criticize me?

The founder of your organization.

He isn't even a citizen, and no, I do not insult everyone.

Muh Roads wrote:...

This guy <3

Hate to say Humpy, I had a lot of supporters rooting for my cause.. lol

I had ISA and Zion. Not exactly the best people. I just thought that was what the people want and I do not regret my involvement.

Humpheria wrote:The founder of your organization.

Also, what exactly did TTA do that was so great?

Hallo Island wrote:He isn't even a citizen, and no, I do not insult everyone.

1. Still a historical figure in this region

2. As a candidate, I would appreciate it if you didn't insult my intelligence and lie to me

Hallo Island wrote:He isn't even a citizen, and no, I do not insult everyone.

So only citizens have the right to have opinions about regional politics?

Miencraft wrote:So only citizens have the right to have opinions about regional politics?

Especially politics that they created.

Miencraft wrote:So only citizens have the right to have opinions about regional politics?

Didn't realize that it was TTA.

Hallo Island wrote:Excuse me, who are you to criticize me?

The founder of the MPA, TTA.

Hallo Island wrote:He isn't even a citizen, and no, I do not insult everyone.

So I don't get an Opinion on an organization I founded?

Hallo Island wrote:Also, what exactly did TTA do that was so great?

Founded the MPA, Actually somewhat united the majority of the minor parties

Hallo Island wrote:Didn't realize that it was TTA.

Miencraft wrote:A valid criticism, even from someone as infamous as TTA, is still a valid criticism.

You know, I go right out and say that that's TTA right there.

So, uh. Yeah.

Albenia wrote:The founder of the MPA, TTA.So I don't get an Opinion on an organization I founded?Founded the MPA, Actually somewhat united the majority of the minor parties

And they aren't united now?

Hallo Island wrote:Didn't realize that it was TTA.

Oh, and you kind of dodged the question there.

Miencraft wrote:But... I thought your whole post there was to point out that that's actually not what happens with voting.

And, related, you need an ID to buy firearms. Are not the rights to live and bear arms important as well?

You need an ID to buy alcohol, which, being technically a luxury item, falls under something you should be able to have, as per the right to pursue happiness.

But best of all, you need identification to even enter the country in the first place and to continue to be here, unless you're natural-born. Since being in the country (unless you're in the military, which by the way requires ID) is a prerequisite for voting, I'd say it's considerably more important to have an ID for that than for voting.

I see your point.

Hallo Island wrote:And they aren't united now?

Not to the extent I would like you to be.

Albenia wrote:Not to the extent I would like you to be.

I added more parties to it. There are more in it now then there were when you ran it.

Hallo Island wrote:I added more parties to it. There are more in it now then there were when you ran it.

Name the parties. Please. And there are more parties than when I wwas here.

Hallo Island wrote:I added more parties to it. There are more in it now then there were when you ran it.

How many parties are in it?

Hallo Island wrote:LOP ACOP CP ILC

When I was the Leader

We had the DRP, LOP, ACOP.

Last I checked Last said he wasn't going to associate with you...

Hallo Island wrote:LOP ACOP CP ILC

And we do remember the DRP was stronger than CP and ILC member wise.

Also, I do believe I deserve more respect from you, as I am the only person who eve defended you, AND, seen as you were the one who old me to get the MPA back together to try to get you back in here.

Hallo Island wrote:Also, I do believe I deserve more respect from you, as I am the only person who eve defended you, AND, seen as you were the one who old me to get the MPA back together to try to get you back in here.

Says the guy who hasn't shown any real respect to anyone but his own followers.

Hallo Island wrote:Also, I do believe I deserve more respect from you, as I am the only person who eve defended you, AND, seen as you were the one who old me to get the MPA back together to try to get you back in here.

1. I don't care if anyone defended me. If they get a poor attitude then they don't deserve any respect.

2. Because I didn't know you turned into such an Insulter.

Miencraft wrote:Says the guy who hasn't shown any real respect to anyone but his own followers.

I respect everyone but Humpheria at this point, as he insults me on the daily.

I founded the MPA to unite the Minor Parties against people I respect yet dislike (RLP).

You Founded it and showed respect to none except those who followed you.

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