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Fair enough. I say that marriage is a religious decision, should have nothing to do with the government. I support the legalisation of marijuana for practical reasons, but I don't yet support legalised hard drugs. I agree with you on prostitution.

I have descided to withdraw myself from the election for Chairman of the Board. I want to give my opponent the chance. I'm sorry for the late message, had to work today.

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

Well, since Islands has dropped out of the Chairman of the Board race, that just leaves Humpheria running. Voting ends tomorrow, so if anyone else wants to throw their name in the hat do so now.

Side-note: I'll probably be replacing Acranea with a more active nation.

My apologies for jumping the gun, rather embarrassing, don't you think?

No, don't worry ^_^ It's pretty obvious that you'll win anyway.

I agree with the minarchist on the three subjects :)

Good to know, Tristan! :) Are there any libertarian parties in Belgium?

MARRIAGE: Government has no place here. Allow for any/all relationships.

DRUGS: Abolish all recreational drug laws. Teach drug education as a standard in early education.

PROSTITUTION: Legalise and allow private industry to set the standards for "cleanliness". consumer risk. Make a taxable industry.

I agree wholeheartedly with MUH ROOOADS

Unfortunately the most libertarian parti in Belgium is less libertarian than the democrats in the USA :( The anglo-saxons are really more libertarian than us. Europeans give importance to egality ans anglo-saxons to freedom. That's why I'm a bit revolutionnary ;) Furthermore I'm only 15 so only a few people listen to my libertarians theories :( Nice to be with people who understand me :D Ah yes, to be precise, I'm minarchist. Sorry for my English, I will improve it ...

I know how that feels, Tristan. Most of my friends are politically apathetic, so it's good to talk to people who want to listen to my rants and opinions ^_^

Unless someone else throws their hat in the ring, gets a vote from an inactive Board member and gets someone else to change their vote, [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] will be the Board's new Chairman. I'll make it official tomorrow, when voting ends and the duties of the Board begin.

I've authored a post on the forums called 'The Hall of Delegates', displaying the achievements and lasting legacies of our leaders since the region's founding. http://libertatem.createaforum.com/regional-government/the-hall-of-delegates/

If you can't read this post, sign up to the forums for free.

[B]Tomorrow...[/B]

Board duties will begin. I will expect all Board members to:

-recruit for the region five times a week (I'll send you the recruitment telegram tomorrow)

-vote on every piece of legislation on the floor

-remain active and post regularly on the RMB.

I will also be testing out a bit more democracy in the coming days. I feel that Acranea isn't active enough to execute the duties of a Board member, so I will be holding a special election* for his replacement. I'm thinking [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] would be a good replacement, but what I really want over anything else is an active Board member. Announce your candidacy soon and I'll hold the Special Election by the end of the week.

*The election would be constitutional, for anyone concerned about it. The Constitution bequeaths the power of Board appointment to the Delegate, who may select Board members however he or she wishes. For this reason, the election will be officially non-binding, although I will respect the wishes of the electorate. In other words, the Constitution grants me power to select the Board however I want, so I choose to let the region recommend a Board member.

I think Miencraft would make a good board member. You have my endorsement.

Everyone, I'm appointing Blahbania my Manager of Military Affairs. He's been with the FFS for a while now, but I've brought him here because of his enthusiasm for continuing the War on Tyranny. He's got some pretty great credentials, and has founded a fair few regions that are active in the War, notably the Alliance of Bearded Men and Blahbania, which have saved many of our conquests that we allowed to slip through our fingers.

There are few like him out there, and I'm excited about working with him to restore our pride and to confront the forces of evil.

Pevvania wrote:Everyone, I'm appointing Blahbania my Manager of Military Affairs. He's been with the FFS for a while now, but I've brought him here because of his enthusiasm for continuing the War on Tyranny. He's got some pretty great credentials, and has founded a fair few regions that are active in the War, notably the Alliance of Bearded Men and Blahbania, which have saved many of our conquests that we allowed to slip through our fingers.

There are few like him out there, and I'm excited about working with him to restore our pride and to confront the forces of evil.

Thanks for inviting me into your crusade.

Blahbania,

Welcome to Libertatem! Congratulations on becoming our Manager of Military Affairs. I trust you will do well here.

A commendable job you did on the Hall of Fame, Pev. And thank you for the kind words.

No problem, Snabber. While I disagree with your opposition to constitutional reform, you were still a great Delegate and an excellent leader.

I should try to get some sleep now. Cya tomorrow guys.

Congrats Pev, but how the change in WA happen? In case you guys didn't know I am President of IRU now. But I need a WA nation to endorse me. And good call for taking me off board member position.

Pev! Please construct an embassy with The Seafield Islands. Thanks! :)

Privatize/legalize all the stuff!!!

Not everything, Liberosia. A privatised military would be horrifying.

The House of Representatives Reform Amendment

Section I

Purpose of this amendment.

To reform the House of Representatives to prevent vote inflation within the legislative process, to streamline the legislative process, to encourage efficiency and to create a fairer legislative system.

Section II

Provisions.

Citizens must declare their membership in the House of Representatives to an Executive before participating in legislative activities.

The passage of amendments may henceforth require the vote of two thirds of the House, or through the other means described in the Constitution.

Representatives of the House may only be allocated one vote each for a piece of legislation, and may not use any other puppet nations to artificially inflate the number of votes for or against a piece of legislation.

Puppets may only be used in the case of standing in for an absent legislator.

A puppet of another nation within Libertatem already a member of the Board may not also become a member of the Board.

Section III

Enforcement.

If a legislator is found to have violated Section II of this amendment, disbarment from one of the, or both, chambers of the legislature may be invoked by a simple majority vote in the Board of Directors. Disbarment may only be repealed via executive order.

Section IV

Clauses to be amended.

Article I

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of any number of nations who volunteer to either the Delegate or the Founder.

Article IV

Section I

Subsection III

2/3 of the House of Representatives may seek an amendment.

Voting is now open! I hope to get the Board, Managers and Founder on board with my amendment. I'm really excited about HOREF, the first step in real reform for the region.

I would like to endorse HOREF, and urge my colleagues to do such. I would also like to welcome the Dominion of Tixon to the region, my first recruitment.

Well hello there. I'm new here. Although deep in my heart i'm libertarian, my country needs a ruling with iron hand. It is sad, but it have to be done.

Great job, Humpheria. Welcome, Tixon.

Hello I'm new here. I choose this because I believe in fighting the tyranny. I'm new...... Like really new, I have never tried doing this before, but I'm up for trying it.

I'm with you, I'm only a couple of weeks old, but look where I am now. I think you have found your family.

Hi everyone :)

I joined this region earlier today with Slokia to fight Tyranny as mentioned earlier and to find a good starting community who can make the journey through this game nice and funny

I'm pretty new at this game i joined 4 hours ago ((Or something like that )) So to be honest i have no idea what i'm doing but well i'm looking forward to talking to all of you :)

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I hope that you both enjoy your experiences here. Because, besides the obvious that we're better than everyone else, we are the most noble of regions.

HORREF votes:

Delegate - 1/1

Founder - 0/1

Managers - 1/3

Board - 2/4

To get this amendment passed, I need Muh Roads, Abaretta, ISA and Blahbania to vote aye, and a vote for from the founder.

Candidates for the Board Special Election

[nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] and [nation=short]The Justin Empire[/nation] both seek to be appointed to Acranea's former seat, so will be the candidates of the upcoming Special Election. If anyone else wants to run, let me know by Thursday, when the election will begin.

I missed you all tbh. Ive been busy.

Pevvania wrote:The House of Representatives Reform Amendment

Section I

Purpose of this amendment.

To reform the House of Representatives to prevent vote inflation within the legislative process, to streamline the legislative process, to encourage efficiency and to create a fairer legislative system.

Section II

Provisions.

Citizens must declare their membership in the House of Representatives to an Executive before participating in legislative activities.

The passage of amendments may henceforth require the vote of two thirds of the House, or through the other means described in the Constitution.

Representatives of the House may only be allocated one vote each for a piece of legislation, and may not use any other puppet nations to artificially inflate the number of votes for or against a piece of legislation.

Puppets may only be used in the case of standing in for an absent legislator.

A puppet of another nation within Libertatem already a member of the Board may not also become a member of the Board.

Section III

Enforcement.

If a legislator is found to have violated Section II of this amendment, disbarment from one of the, or both, chambers of the legislature may be invoked by a simple majority vote in the Board of Directors. Disbarment may only be repealed via executive order.

Section IV

Clauses to be amended.

Article I

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of any number of nations who volunteer to either the Delegate or the Founder.

Article IV

Section I

Subsection III

2/3 of the House of Representatives may seek an amendment.

I vote yes

Vote YAY for the House of Representatives Reform Act

Glad to see you're back, Acranea. I'll re-add you, although the special election will go forward as scheduled.

62 minute silence broken.

You have my "yea" on HOREF.

Awesome! All we need now are ISA and Liberosia's votes to put the amendment into action!

Thanks a lot for all the support, guys. I'm glad that many of you have a passion for change like I do.

Looks like HOREF is a go! :)

Hello Everyone!

Hope to get your support as I run this Thursday!

Help me, join forces, to help Libertatem win the war on Tyranny!

If you have any questions... Telegram me. Thanks guys!

The Justin Empire wrote:Hello Everyone!

Hope to get your support as I run this Thursday!

Help me, join forces, to help Libertatem win the war on Tyranny!

If you have any questions... Telegram me. Thanks guys!

It might (or might not) help your cause if you answer this question here:

Undoubtedly, one of the primary concerns of a board member is activity. As such, how often would you say you play nationstates and for how long each time?

If there is legislation pending that is an utter concern, i want results quickly. Miencraft, i also ask you the same question. We need active board members, and I'd go as far as to say we've been quite lucky with the exception of, and no disrespect intended, Acranea.

Apologies for the double post, but i feel i should also mention you are not required to answer said questions. Just a suggestion to sway votes in your direction.

I play Nation States every single day. Throughout the day I check how my nation is doing, I have it saved on my phone for easy access. It is very important that as a board member, I'm active in order to help the nations of Libertatem. As a board member, I promise to supply results quickly, and to the best of my ability. I promise to think about how our region can be bettered, and how we can win the war on Tyranny.

In order to achieve success, we must work together. I feel that I possess great team working and leadership skills that every board member should possess. Which seats me as a grand candidate for this position, I believe.

Help me help you! Thanks

& thank you The United States of Much Roads for the wonderful suggestions.

I can and do play daily, and I can be on now and then throughout the day to look at the RMB, do issues, etc. For anyone who remembers, it's basically the same schedule I had before I mysteriously vanished, which, mind, will not happen again. As former Chairman, I say from past experience that I am certainly capable and responsible enough to take up another position on the Board, and respond almost instantly to any telegram I receive while I'm awake or otherwise incapable of getting to a source of internet. Other than that, though, I can ensure that I have a tab on this open whenever I'm online to quickly check anything that might come up.

Two good choices here, folks. Voting will begin on Thursday.

Good luck to the both of you. I can see it's going to be a very interesting race.

why am i losing my seat?

I sent you a TG, Acranea.

Welcome all new arrivals.

Hey everybody! :)

It's time for meme of the day:

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Hi, We are here as an ambassador from the region Benevolent Capitalism on behalf of our leader Shadowdragons, to state that we wish to continue our two regions good relations, and our value of you as our allies.

Congratulations Humpheria on becoming Chairman of the Board. I look forward to continuing working with you for a better Libertatem!

Muh Roads wrote:The United States of Muh Roads is a tiny, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its strong anti-business politics.

The large, liberal, pro-business government juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Education, and Healthcare.

Uhh what? NS doesn't understand libertarians very well does it? Haha!

[nation=short]Blahbania[/nation], here's a good one too: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153475320360515&set=a.226491315514.290842.188355460514&type=1&theater

No, [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation], it doesn't. Even the word 'liberal' is outrageously misapplied - the original liberals were pro-free market and pro-civil liberties. American 'liberals' are neither.

Welcome, [nation=short]Nuns with Guns[/nation]! I haven't seen you since you were unjustly banned from Reaganomic Paradise. We value our alliance with Benevolent Capitalism, and will do anything we can to ensure its continued existence and defense.

83 nations now, not bad

Libertatem is bouncing back! :D

Is there some way to influence the leading causes of death... Cause i don't see any and 51% of my people die of Heart diseases

Should metropolitan NYC be its own state?

I created a forum thread for that here, please answer: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=269099

Sorry here's the correct link: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=269099

Yes please. We in CNY don't like them very much.

Go vote today guys if you can. For you all in NYC go vote for Joe Lhota. For you all in New Jersey, Christie is the man to continue to be governor. In Virginia it is key that you vote for Ken Cuccinelli.

Independent States Of America wrote:Go vote today guys if you can. For you all in NYC go vote for Joe Lhota. For you all in New Jersey, Christie is the man to continue to be governor. In Virginia it is key that you vote for Ken Cuccinelli.

Ken Cuccinelli not sure about.. but Christie.. Oh dear.. I have to disagree wholeheartedly. Christie seems nothing but a suck up to Obama and yet identifies as a republican. Flip-Flopper supreme in my eyes. Still, i don't know who is running against him to decide whether he is the best choice or not.

Cuccinelli? Meh. Robert Sarvis is the way to go. He's racked up something like 10% in the polls, which is an astonishing figure in such a major state. I know he won't win, but I hope he somehow manages to influence the election result.

Christie? Come on, ISA. I thought you were more conservative than that. He's one of the most liberal Republicans out there. People call him a "likeable moderate", but he's a moderate in all the wrong ways. He supports gay rights and anti-discrimination, but opposes same-sex marriage. He's pro-Drug War, pro-PATRIOT Act and pro-gun control. Perhaps these negative traits could be balanced out by a decent fiscal policy, but he doesn't have one. Tax cuts promised at the beginning of his term haven't turned up yet. He still hasn't balanced the budget.

In other words, he represents all the terrible policies of both major parties. He'd be the worst candidate for the Republican nomination, and I don't know why he's so popular at the national level right now.

Robert Sarvis is far from being a libertarian. People like Ron Paul don't even support him because he wants to increase taxes. I'm a republican and I will put the party before loosing so all those guys I said who we need to vote for are to keep us from loosing. Read this about your liar Sarvis http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/04/Ron-Paul-to-Virginians-Insane-to-Vote-for-Libertarian-Robert-Sarvis

Also, I'm ecstatic that Bloomberg is finally gonna leave. He's been the single most destructive internal force to New York, as a state and as a city, since Abraham Beame.

I'll take a look at that, ISA.

About my support of Christie though it's quite simple. He's not what we would consider conservative by looking at him and his actions, but he supports low taxes, fiscal responsibility, and he cracks down on unions. He is against same sex marriage. He can compromise while being a conservative as he has done. He is a popular governor in a very blue state and I don't want to loose it.

That's really odd, since Sarvis wants to eliminate various taxes, including the income tax. From the candidate's campaign website:

Robert Sarvis Website wrote:Second, we need to simplify and streamline the tax system so that revenue raising is transparent and least burdensome to individuals, families, and businesses alike. I propose:

Eliminating the Car Tax, which is unpopular;

Eliminating the BPOL, Machine & Tools, Merchant Capital and other business taxes that hide the cost of taxation, burden employers, and reduce business activity;

Eliminating, or dramatically reducing, the income tax, which reduces employment and lowers take-home pay;

Moving to a uniform consumption tax on all final retail sales of goods and services.

Reforming property taxes by excluding, or lowering the rate applied to, improvements to land;

Prefering, where possible, user fees to general taxes.

Someone's lying and I don't think Rand Paul and Ron Paul would support Cuccinelli if they didn't think he was the right guy for the job. Ron Paul tends to stick with those libertarians but when he comes out against one then something is up. I hope that you'll investigate more into Sarvis and I hope that Cuccinelli wins tonight.

I think that's where we disagree ISA, i vote independently. Party first politics is what brought us to our current state. Christie to me, IMO, is unreliable and doesn't "compromise" but instead flip-flops.

As far as Sarvis goes, i don't support him. I haven't read enough on him to have an opinion on the matter.

I tend to vote on the party line because quite frankly I'm a strong conservative republican. So I hope that people don't view me as ignorant or stupid because of that but I am a member of the party because we believe in the same things and so do the candidates. From John McCain ( cannot stand him honestly ) to Bobby Jindal I will always support the republican nominee unless the Libertarian one is truly better.

On Christie: my mistake, ISA, I was speaking on old information. Kudos to him for supporting fiscal responsibility, but his economic record so far has been very modest. The state still hasn't got a real tax cut, and most of what he's achieved has been focused on balancing the budget (which is pretty great, to his credit) and improving efficiencies.

On Sarvis: even though his support for a miles tax is regrettable, everything else he's promising looks good. The Libertarian Party is ace, and I'd like to see it expand in any way possible. (Although their foreign policy is batsh!t crazy.)

On the GOP: unfortunately, ISA, the Republican Party isn't what it used to be. The days of a truly minarchist Republican Party during the 80s and 90s are gone. W. took over and proved himself to be the most liberal Republican since Richard M. Nixon. People complain about Reagan not doing enough to reduce government, but you have to realise that he only ever had the Senate in his hands. Bush Jr. had complete control of Congress for four years. Four years. This would have been more than enough time to balance the budget, slash a few hundred federal programs and do something about the morass that's known as the American welfare system. But did the so-called 'fiscal conservative' achieve any of this? No. All he brought is incremental tax cuts (they amounted to something like 5% for each bracket) that were overshadowed by hugely expanded regulation, Social Security, tariffs and corporate welfare.

Back to what I was saying, he destroyed the party. Only now is the GOP beginning to recover its small government image with the help of the Tea Party. The Libertarian Party is what the Republican Party should be like. Some serious policy-poaching needs to go down if its going to recover its image.

*Note I am not trying to start an argument, only to further my own understanding of that statement.

Independent States Of America wrote:I tend to vote on the party line because quite frankly I'm a strong conservative republican. So I hope that people don't view me as ignorant or stupid because of that but I am a member of the party because we believe in the same things and so do the candidates. From John McCain ( cannot stand him honestly ) to Bobby Jindal I will always support the republican nominee unless the Libertarian one is truly better.

Just out of curiosity, during the last presidential election, something we all had an equal appreciation of regardless of location, which candidate did you support?

It was a very long thought process for me. In the primaries I was a Gingrich man until the end. After Romney got the nomination I took a serious look at all the candidates and leaned Gary Johnson for awhile. Finally I got it all together and decided that I could not compromise Romney's chances of winning North Carolina and that Barack Obama was/is a big threat to this nation so I signed on with the Romney campaign and garnered support for him.

I agree, Pevvania about the GOP. However, you'd find me hard pressed to support a tea-party candidate, no matter how conservative i consider myself.

2012 was when I started seriously learning about contemporary American politics. I was probably one of two people in Britain who supported Mitt Romney, the other being my brother.

I don't get the Tea Party. Their rhetoric is extreme, and their officials in Congress seem to do nothing but whine.

We're not extreme. I'm a tea partier, the woman with a child down the road could be one, so could a local police officer. The Tea Party is a vibrant and strong force in America that is bringing attention to the failures in our government. You say the republican party is not the same anymore, you say you support Reagan but you don't get the Tea Party. Reagan would be considered a tea partier, Ron Paul is one, Rand, Rubio, and so many others. We are not extreme, we want a strong economy. We believe in lower taxes, less government intervention, and respect for our traditional values.

When I say they have extreme rhetoric, I mean the Birthers and the ones who call Obama a Communist.

When I say I don't get the Tea Party, I mean I don't understand them. I didn't mean any offence, ISA, and I'm open to being convinced about them.

I fully realize the threat Obama did/does pose to US, but I could find few points where Romney's platform was any different excluding his dubious promise to repeal the ACA. While it was inconceivable that Johnson would have won the election, every ounce of political support pushed the LP's platform forward into mainstream American politics. I can find little logical reason owning behind supporting Romney or Obama on the grounds of "we can't let the other guy win!"

Then accept our message. Go look at the Tea Party Patriots, the Tea Party Express. Look at Ronald Reagan he is practically the father of the tea party. The Birthers though, I sat next to one on my flight from D.C. to Charlotte NC and her name was Orly Taitz, even has a website, and I talked to her and went on the same plane with her. She was not a tea partier, she was a populist. She was against free-trade most notably and merely used the shroud of the Tea Party and the Republicans to hide her hateful rhetoric.

Lack There Of wrote:I fully realize the threat Obama did/does pose to US, but I could find few points where Romney's platform was any different excluding his dubious promise to repeal the ACA. While it was inconceivable that Johnson would have won the election, every ounce of political support pushed the LP's platform forward into mainstream American politics. I can find little logical reason owning behind supporting Romney or Obama on the grounds of "we can't let the other guy win!"

I know my post sounded like that but I supported Romney on many other grounds. He was what America needed to be frank. He had an enormous amount of economic experience and was not a Washington insider. He supported the core convictions of republicanism and I could talk more but 2012 is over, 2013 is almost over, and I need to continue focusing on 2014.

Indeed, Lack There Of. Every vote counts, and even if you're throwing it towards somebody who will never win, it's still contributing to the future significance of that candidate and their party.

ISA, I quickly Wiki'd that lady and she seems like... something else.

Wikipedia wrote:[Taitz claims that] Obama is having the Federal Emergency Management Agency build internment camps for "Anti-Obama dissidents".

My problem with the tea party is their view on social issues, to avoid any conflict i will leave it at that. I do not think your ignorant for voting for the party you support, but if everyone is taking the same view.. (I just can't let the party i support lose the state!) then a third party will never have a chance.

Lack There Of wrote:I fully realize the threat Obama did/does pose to US, but I could find few points where Romney's platform was any different excluding his dubious promise to repeal the ACA. While it was inconceivable that Johnson would have won the election, every ounce of political support pushed the LP's platform forward into mainstream American politics. I can find little logical reason owning behind supporting Romney or Obama on the grounds of "we can't let the other guy win!"

As i just realize you already posted this.. lol

I assume you usually vote for Libertarian candidates, Muh Roads?

And I agree with you on the Tea Party. I'm all for (some) Christian-conservative values, but trying to criminalise 'sodomy' and shame gays is not the way forward. Enforcing one's interpretation of morality on the populace is a violation of individual rights.

Pevvania wrote:I assume you usually vote for Libertarian candidates, Muh Roads?

Actually no, I research all candidates regardless of party before the election. I feel as though many americans have gotten lazy in their research and simply vote for party.

Although, last year I did primarily vote LP. But that was because of the candidates and not their party affiliation.

I hugely dislike when people bring morals into politics. I know how absurd that sounds lol but truth is, morals are subjective. What qualifies as a moral value to one, may be a sin and cruel to another.

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