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Tyrinth wrote:What does criminal activity have to do with rights?

This isn't an area of expertise for me. Just curious.

The vast majority of rapes are male on female, because for some reason men think that raping someone is okay.

Hallo Island wrote:Once again, pay gap, and rape.

Yes, because obviously only women get raped, and the fact that rapists go after women obviously reflects on the fact that they have fewer rights.

As for the pay gap, have you considered it's possibly due to not being as skilled as those who get paid more highly?

Domenic And Friends

Hallo Island wrote:The vast majority of rapes are male on female, because for some reason men think that raping someone is okay.

That's absurd.

Miencraft wrote:Yes, because obviously only women get raped, and the fact that rapists go after women obviously reflects on the fact that they have fewer rights.

As for the pay gap, have you considered it's possibly due to not being as skilled as those who get paid more highly?

So, you claim not to be sexist, but you assume women are worse at everything?

Hallo Island wrote:but you assume women are worse at everything?

Show me exactly where I said that.

Great, the SJW crowd has come to Libertatem.

The 'gender pay gap' is bullshit. The 77 cents statistic you hear about so much is actually an average that does not take into account education, degree level, occupation, hours worked or anything else for that matter. When these are all taken into account, the 'gender pay gap' is about 98 cents on the dollar. http://blog.independent.org/2015/04/07/the-gender-wage-gap-a-myth-that-just-wont-die/

Domenic And Friends, The New United States

Pevvania wrote:The 'gender pay gap' is bullshit. The 77 cents statistic you hear about so much is actually an average that does not take into account education, degree level, occupation, hours worked or anything else for that matter. When these are all taken into account, the 'gender pay gap' is about 98 cents on the dollar. http://blog.independent.org/2015/04/07/the-gender-wage-gap-a-myth-that-just-wont-die/

More or less my point, except I'm not an encyclopedia of statistics.

Pevvania

Maybe it's just me, but many of the women I've met are just not very career driven. I'm not saying any of them were not compassionate about their career, they just were more concerned with the better things in life. Family.

I think it all depends on how you were raised, if mom and dad taught you societal norms, or let you be more of a free spirit and do what you actually want to do.

Miencraft, Domenic And Friends

Muh Roads wrote:Maybe it's just me, but many of the women I've met are just not very career driven. I'm not saying any of them were not compassionate about their career, they just were more concerned with the better things in life. Family.

I think it all depends on how you were raised, if mom and dad taught you societal norms, or let you be more of a free spirit and do what you actually want to do.

In my family my dad worked very hard while my mom stayed at home and took care of us. Perhaps I am " old school" but I feel that it's the man responsibility to go out and work and it's the woman job to stay home and raise the family. I can't stomach the sight of stay at home dads. It spells out laziness.

Modern feminism is a hateful, sexist, bigoted ideology that does not seek equal rights between men and women. If it did, then it wouldn't ridicule men's rights activism or egalitarianism. It is an ideology that demands special rights for women at the expense of men. They don't give a f*ck about the thousands of unreported male rapes that occur every year, or the millions of men being subjected to the slavery known as alimony payments, or the stigma against short men, or anything else for that matter. Feminists don't even care about women. They have begun a campaign to systematically disarm women in the interest of "teaching men not to rape", which is about as sane as telling a child not to look when crossing the road in order to "teach drivers not to hit kids".

It is an authoritarian ideology. In classic feminist style, [nation=short]Hallo Island[/nation] has attempted to shut down debate by calling people he disagrees with "ignorant", "bigot", "sexist" and inventing fanciful straw men accusing others of calling women "lazy" or whatever BS can be manufactured to silence the opposition. It is a dirty tactic that unfortunately works in far too many circumstances. When I was brave enough to post an anti-feminist Facebook status, I was swarmed by my female friends the next day asking me how I could hold such a heretical point of view. They have created a culture where it is automatically "right" to be a feminist, and disagreeing with the ideology means you are stupid, or sexist, or whatever.

This sort of collectivism has absolutely no place within the libertarian movement, or anywhere else for that matter.

Miencraft, Domenic And Friends, The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Great, the SJW crowd has come to Libertatem.

The 'gender pay gap' is bullshit. The 77 cents statistic you hear about so much is actually an average that does not take into account education, degree level, occupation, hours worked or anything else for that matter. When these are all taken into account, the 'gender pay gap' is about 98 cents on the dollar. http://blog.independent.org/2015/04/07/the-gender-wage-gap-a-myth-that-just-wont-die/

Wait, are you actually claiming The Independent Institute to be a reputable source? Because I'd actually be more inclined to believe something off The Onion. Any organization that doesn't believe in climate change is basically a joke.

My view on the role of women: http://alibertarianfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/stop-telling-people-what-to-do-ron-paul-libertarian-quote.jpg

Also I am so glad we debate about politics in this region. In my old region all they did was RP and had zero intrest in debating on politcal issues. They also didn't have politcal parties. I didn't like that at all they think that the game is just meant for Role playing.

Pevvania wrote:Modern feminism is a hateful, sexist, bigoted ideology that does not seek equal rights between men and women. If it did, then it wouldn't ridicule men's rights activism or egalitarianism. It is an ideology that demands special rights for women at the expense of men. They don't give a f*ck about the thousands of unreported male rapes that occur every year, or the millions of men being subjected to the slavery known as alimony payments, or the stigma against short men, or anything else for that matter. Feminists don't even care about women. They have begun a campaign to systematically disarm women in the interest of "teaching men not to rape", which is about as sane as telling a child not to look when crossing the road in order to "teach drivers not to hit kids".

It is an authoritarian ideology. In classic feminist style, [nation=short]Hallo Island[/nation] has attempted to shut down debate by calling people he disagrees with "ignorant", "bigot", "sexist" and inventing fanciful straw men accusing others of calling women "lazy" or whatever BS can be manufactured to silence the opposition. It is a dirty tactic that unfortunately works in far too many circumstances. When I was brave enough to post an anti-feminist Facebook status, I was swarmed by my female friends the next day asking me how I could hold such a heretical point of view. They have created a culture where it is automatically "right" to be a feminist, and disagreeing with the ideology means you are stupid, or sexist, or whatever.

This sort of collectivism has absolutely no place within the libertarian movement, or anywhere else for that matter.

Oooooh you're so much more scathing when you are not the president. And what special rights do feminists demand? The right to be equal? That must really be oppressing men. You cannot say all feminists are extreme feminists, because they just aren't. Once again, all Christians are not in The Westboro Baptist Church.

Domenic And Friends wrote:Also I am so glad we debate about politics in this region. In my old region all they did was RP and had zero intrest in debating on politcal issues. They also didn't have politcal parties. I didn't like that at all they think that the game is just meant for Role playing.

A balance of both is nice, in my opinion. Too much arguing and people get very heated, too much RP and it feels like there's no substance.

I am somewhat sick of the RPing from my old regions, however. . .

Miencraft, Domenic And Friends

Hallo Island wrote:Wait, are you actually claiming The Independent Institute to be a reputable source? Because I'd actually be more inclined to believe something off The Onion. Any organization that doesn't believe in climate change is basically a joke.

The Independent Institute is a libertarian think tank. Their main forte is economics. Environmentalism has nothing to do with this. That's one of literally thousands of sources on this subject.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/

http://www.cato.org/blog/gender-pay-gap-when-youve-lost-slate

http://skepchick.org/2015/04/bad-chart-thursday-redditors-prove-the-gender-wage-gap-is-a-myth/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html

There's a huge negative stigma attached to the word feminism lately, women actively telling men to castrate themselves and the like. I'm definetly for equal rights for everyone, but would not ever consider myself a feminist.

Miencraft, Tyrinth, Pevvania, Domenic And Friends, The New United States

100 new posts what

Domenic And Friends

Tyrinth wrote:A balance of both is nice, in my opinion. Too much arguing and people get very heated, too much RP and it feels like there's no substance.

I am somewhat sick of the RPing from my old regions, however. . .

We would occasionally RP on the RMB, but I'm thinking the forums might be the best place for it now. Not that you can't RP here, your welcome to post whatever you like here.. we just can't stop the mods from doing what they please. Ask Hallo... =P

Feminism-the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

End of story.

Muh Roads wrote:We would occasionally RP on the RMB, but I'm thinking the forums might be the best place for it now. Not that you can't RP here, your welcome to post whatever you like here.. we just can't stop the mods from doing what they please. Ask Hallo... =P

Haha...haha...ha...ha...ha.

Hallo Island wrote:Oooooh you're so much more scathing when you are not the president. And what special rights do feminists demand? The right to be equal? That must really be oppressing men.

As I just explained, they care about advancing the feminist agenda above all else. They believe rape can only happen to women, men should be forced to make child payments, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Putting one gender in another dominant position is not equality. In the words of Captain America, that's not freedom, that's fear.

Hallo Island wrote:You cannot say all feminists are extreme feminists, because they just aren't. Once again, all Christians are not in The Westboro Baptist Church.

Give me proof. As far as I'm concerned, when you see organisations like the UK National Union of Students, which is pretty much the only national student's union in the UK, drumming up bullshit like this, it's pretty safe to say that feminazism has entered the mainstream of the feminist movement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32032291/students-swap-clapping-for-jazz-hands-at-nus-event

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010872/Students-told-wave-jazz-hands-conference-speakers-whooping-clapping-scary.html

Muh Roads wrote:We would occasionally RP on the RMB, but I'm thinking the forums might be the best place for it now. Not that you can't RP here, your welcome to post whatever you like here.. we just can't stop the mods from doing what they please. Ask Hallo... =P

Nah. I have plenty of puppets for that purpose. I sought out this region specifically for a break from such activity.

I need some seriousness in this game as I was beginning to lose interest.

Hallo Island wrote:Feminism-the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

End of story.

"Feminism is for equal rights"

"Communism is for poor people"

All you nubs have been drafted into the Libertatem army.

Once you get your citizenship you'll be awarded private status and will participate in invasions post-raid

Pevvania wrote:"Feminism is for equal rights"

"Communism is for poor people"

Is black supremacy for whites?

Pevvania

Hallo Island wrote:So, you're saying all women constantly take vacations and only care about socializing? What if a single mother can't work overtime, because she has children to raise? Basically you are saying women are lazy and men are all hardworking.

I never said that. Way to take it out of context. Watch those videos.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:All you nubs have been drafted into the Libertatem army.

Once you get your citizenship you'll be awarded private status and will participate in invasions post-raid

That so?

I've not done much raiding before. Seems like it could be fun.

Muh Roads wrote:Is black supremacy for whites?

By that logic

Tyrinth wrote:That so?

I've not done much raiding before. Seems like it could be fun.

Raiding is fun.

Invasions are sitting around for a month in a region as the delegate collects influence to password it.

Muh Roads wrote:We would occasionally RP on the RMB, but I'm thinking the forums might be the best place for it now. Not that you can't RP here, your welcome to post whatever you like here.. we just can't stop the mods from doing what they please. Ask Hallo... =P

I hate forums lol. I like to keep it all on the RMB.

Being Classically Liberal does a brilliant takedown of feminism here: https://beingclassicallyliberal.liberty.me/why-i-am-not-a-feminist/

"I’m convinced that feminism is more than anything a label for misandrists, young women with victim complexes, and individuals who take the concept of gender equality to the extreme"

"80% of suicide victims are male

93% of workplace fatalities are male

76% of homicide victims are male

In federal criminal cases, males on average get60% longer sentences for the same crime as females (the patriarchy dropped the ball on this one)."

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Hallo Island wrote:Jesus Christ. What you are saying is that the dominant demographic of humans is being oppressed because the people they are oppressing want to be equal.

Watch the amazing atheists video on "its only sexist if men do it". End of story

Pevvania wrote:Being Classically Liberal does a brilliant takedown of feminism here: https://beingclassicallyliberal.liberty.me/why-i-am-not-a-feminist/

"I’m convinced that feminism is more than anything a label for misandrists, young women with victim complexes, and individuals who take the concept of gender equality to the extreme"

"80% of suicide victims are male

93% of workplace fatalities are male

76% of homicide victims are male

In federal criminal cases, males on average get60% longer sentences for the same crime as females (the patriarchy dropped the ball on this one)."

You are a smart man.

I'm sympathetic to first and second wave feminism, and feminist intellectuals - some who happen to be quite libertarian.

http://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-feminism-honorable-tradition

Unfortunately that column forgets that individualist-anarchists WERE socialists, but is mostly spot on.

Pevvania

So what, you people think that women are equal everywhere!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Raiding is fun.

Invasions are sitting around for a month in a region as the delegate collects influence to password it.

Hah. Didn't take quite that long last time I did it. Interesting.

Well, I'd be willing to play along sometime.

Hallo Island wrote:So what, you people think that women are equal everywhere!

Not everywhere but in the United States and first world nations.

Tyrinth wrote:Hah. Didn't take quite that long last time I did it. Interesting.

Well, I'd be willing to play along sometime.

I'll telegram you if we have an invasion in progress. Do enough of em, and you can come on raids.

Hallo Island wrote:Also, time to explain the whole anti feminism thing. Are you ignorant, a bigot, or do you hate equality?

I am more for equality than most tumblr-feminists.

Domenic And Friends

Hallo Island wrote:So what, you people think that women are equal everywhere!

Of course not. The problem with feminism, though, is that it focuses on trivial first-world issues that have absolutely no relevance to the millions of women subjected to oppression in Asia and Africa every day. Liberty is solution, not division.

Miencraft

Domenic And Friends wrote:How is being a anti feminist being a bigot? He doesn't think that one gender should have this assumed superiorty over another. They constantly talk about this struggle that simply does not exist anymore lol. The gender gaps are over, as for the military I think that woman should not have lowerd requirements they should be able to pass any test that a male has to test. If they want to be so "equal" lol

Smart.

Domenic And Friends

Woman have it very good in the US, Canada, Europe, and other first world nations. In many second and third world nations they are barred from doing everyday tasks such as driving, and cannot go anywhere without their husband or any male.

Hallo Island wrote:So what, you people think that women are equal everywhere!

In the U.S. And most first world countries. We need to be focusing on Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Domenic And Friends wrote:Not everywhere but in the United States and first world nations.

Guess what, First world nations are the minority of nations.

Anti-Feminists wrote:I am more for equality than most tumblr-feminists.

Tumblr feminists aren't what all feminists are like. It's like saying all gay people want to kill all straight people.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'm sympathetic to first and second wave feminism, and feminist intellectuals - some who happen to be quite libertarian.

http://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-feminism-honorable-tradition

Unfortunately that column forgets that individualist-anarchists WERE socialists, but is mostly spot on.

I'm on the same page. I think you'd like Camille Paglia. She's an extremely intelligent woman and a self-proclaimed feminist, despite the fact that the feminazi crowd despise her. She also seems to be quite libertarian-leaning, and has said as much before.

Hallo Island wrote:Guess what, First world nations are the minority of nations.Tumblr feminists aren't what all feminists are like. It's like saying all gay people want to kill all straight people.

You've not provided any evidence to support this idea.

Hallo Island wrote:Then how is it the vaccine's fault? Obviously if the doctor knew you had it, he wouldn't have administered the vaccine. As with anything else in the world, the field of medicine is not always perfect, and there are occasionally mishaps.

The vaccine is dangerous. I am not saying they should be banned, but we should all have the right to not have them and focus on more holistic remedies.

Pevvania wrote:I'm on the same page. I think you'd like Camille Paglia. She's an extremely intelligent woman and a self-proclaimed feminist, despite the fact that the feminazi crowd despise her. She also seems to be quite libertarian-leaning, and has said as much before.

Yeah.

Anti-Feminists wrote:In the U.S. And most first world countries. We need to be focusing on Saudi Arabia and Iran.

*draws circle around most of Asia, most of Africa, all of the Middle East, and parts of Eastern Europe*

Anita sarkeesians are the slime of the world

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'll telegram you if we have an invasion in progress. Do enough of em, and you can come on raids.

I have my WA listed as a certain nation right now, but if I do that I'll end up switching my WA more likely than not. Must I request some kind of change of my citizenship listing if I'm to participate, then?

Pevvania wrote:You've not provided any evidence to support this idea.

204 nations, how many are industrialized and democratic?

Hallo Island wrote:*draws circle around most of Asia, most of Africa, all of the Middle East, and parts of Eastern Europe*

Mate, Why are you complaining about suh fake things the wage gap while, as you have said, there are worse things happening in all the world. Watch the amazing athiests video it's only sexist when men do it

Anti-Feminists wrote:The vaccine is dangerous. I am not saying they should be banned, but we should all have the right to not have them and focus on more holistic remedies.

Explain to me how it is dangerous? The don't administer it to people that they know have compromised immune systems, so how else is it dangerous? And what do you think, some lavender and catnip will prevent you from getting measles, polio and smallpox?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Hallo Island wrote:204 nations, how many are industrialized and democratic?

No, I mean explain to me what evidence you have to support the claim that extreme feminists are a minority?

It's like the good old days again.

Pevvania

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:It's like the good old days again.

*whistles victory tune*

Pevvania wrote:No, I mean explain to me what evidence you have to support the claim that extreme feminists are a minority?

Have you ever met one? Because the only feminists I know are, you know, normal, rational people.

Hallo Island wrote:Have you ever met one? Because the only feminists I know are, you know, normal, rational people.

Perhaps a stroll through tumblr is in order.

Okay, what's up with all of the anti-feminist platforms?

Modern feminism is a complicated mess of opposing viewpoints, that's true, and that's a point I'll get to later. Regardless of what each of us think of modern feminism, I'm seeing a lot of insinuations that feminism as a whole is unnecessary at this point in history, or that men are somehow the victims of "social justice", or that modern feminists are tilting at windmills - I'm appalled, quite frankly, by the implications of these many "anti-feminist" arguments I'm seeing.

To tell the truth, feminism in general is pretty modern. Women's suffrage was a major issue less than a century ago. Marital rape wasn't considered a crime until the early 90's. The issues of sexual harassment, domestic violence, and birth control are actually relatively recent in terms of human history. Men and women alike are benefiting now that these issues have been resolved, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking there's nothing more to be done like the "racism is over" crowd - just as it isn't, sexism isn't over either.

Yes, we're all annoyed by the "feminazis", the misandrists, the demagogues who insist that men are evil and women are superior. We know they exist - they are, after all, very loud - but don't think for a second that they are any sort of majority within the feminist movement, because they aren't. People who consider themselves anti-feminist might be outraged by the antics of this vocal minority, but what many of them do not realize is that they are unintentionally dismissing the major issues that have truly defined the feminist movement throughout the past couple of centuries in their crusade against the measly, fruitless efforts of, say, tumblr.

Besides, there is still a lot of work to be done, especially outside of the United States. There are hundreds of nations where domestic violence is commonplace, or marital rape is permitted, and a large fraction of these are still quite heavily male-dominant in terms of culture. The rest of the world has need of the movement so many here have dismissed as archaic or out-of-practice.

And here, even the first world, we still have need of feminism: The causes of the alleged wage gap are worth investigating, even if the "77 cents to a dollar" claim is dubious - the societal concept of gender roles seems to have a major effect on which people seek which jobs, and this might have a detrimental effect on men and women alike. Not to mention that there are many double standards that cast both men and women in unflattering lights - many of which are related to this whole feminazism vs feminism vs anti-feminism debate - and an unspoken assumption on the part of many people that they know what is best for a given gender, or both genders. There are still many socially-backwards elements to our present society that threaten our equality in the sense that we are all individuals with sovereignty over ourselves, and an entire culture of finger-pointing that needs to change.

Perhaps you don't agree that misandrists represent a minority of feminists, and assume that they must be prominent because you so often see their arguments. Perhaps you don't agree that there is a point to modern feminism, and prefer to think that the first world has already benefited from it to the fullest extent possible. It could also be that we're all in violent agreement with one another, arguing over the differences of words - and regardless of what those differences might be, I consider myself a feminist because I believe in gender equality, and I wholeheartedly support the past endeavors that made our culture more civilized.

Republic Of Minerva

Hallo Island wrote:Have you ever met one? Because the only feminists I know are, you know, normal, rational people.

I have the displeasure of having two feminists in my politics class. They're everything about normal and rational, and raging economic illiterates to boot. Regardless, we're speaking in anecdotes. You have not given me proof.

Hallo Island wrote:Have you ever met one? Because the only feminists I know are, you know, normal, rational people.

Have you seen this amazing website called Tumblr?

Pevvania wrote:I have the displeasure of having two feminists in my politics class. They're everything about normal and rational, and raging economic illiterates to boot. Regardless, we're speaking in anecdotes. You have not given me proof.

*applause*

As a league pf debater, I can tell you that Pev is winning.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Perhaps a stroll through tumblr is in order.

Well, that's kinda where the radicals congregate. I mean in normal society.

Pevvania wrote:I have the displeasure of having two feminists in my politics class. They're everything about normal and rational, and raging economic illiterates to boot. Regardless, we're speaking in anecdotes. You have not given me proof.

How am I supposed find statistics on what percent are radical? There is no way to do that, since there is no working definitions on what is radical, only opinions.

Hallo what do you think should be done about this "Wage-Gap"? How do we fix it?

Philosophical Anarchism wrote:Have you seen this amazing website called Tumblr?

You probably have, pony boy.

Philosophical Anarchism wrote:Hallo what do you think should be done about this "Wage-Gap"? How do we fix it?

We could start by teaching employers not to discriminate based on sex.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Perhaps a stroll through tumblr is in order.

Haha

Hallo Island wrote:You probably have, pony boy.We could start by teaching employers not to discriminate based on sex.

THEY DONT!

I shall respond to this in two-parts

Hallo Island wrote:You probably have, pony boy.

1.Actually...Yeah...moving on to point two...

Hallo Island wrote:We could start by teaching employers not to discriminate based on sex.

2. Discrimination? When did you join the tumblr SJWs? It's called capitalism. Capitalism breeds some discrimination and it always will.

Philosophical Anarchism wrote:I shall respond to this in two-parts

1.Actually...Yeah...moving on to point two...

2. Discrimination? When did you join the tumblr SJWs? It's called capitalism. Capitalism breeds some discrimination and it always will.

So, what, you support discrimination?

Tyrinth wrote:I have my WA listed as a certain nation right now, but if I do that I'll end up switching my WA more likely than not. Must I request some kind of change of my citizenship listing if I'm to participate, then?

No, not necessary. Just give me the name of a puppet nation you want to raid with so I can document it.

Hallo Island wrote:So, what, you support discrimination?

To Support capitalism you have to realize that there will always be discrimination in the system.

Domenic And Friends

Philosophical Anarchism wrote:To Support capitalism you have to realize that there will always be discrimination in the system.

Yes, division of labor, so oppressive!

Pevvania

Novus England wrote:What up, fellas?

Not much man watching ghost adventures and lugging around. Hbu?

How the hell does capitalism breed discrimination? Studies have actually shown that economic freedom is strongly correlated with tolerance.

Trying to figure out what the hell to do with my idea of an independent New England. Thoughts?

Domenic And Friends

Novus England wrote:Trying to figure out what the hell to do with my idea of an independent New England. Thoughts?

Are you a new Englander?

Pevvania wrote:How the hell does capitalism breed discrimination? Studies have actually shown that economic freedom is strongly correlated with tolerance.

Because only in a Capitalistic system can someone choose to deny anyone service without Government annoyances.

When is the next presidential election?

Novus England wrote:What up, fellas?

Hi there!

I am indeed. Live in CT, home of Nathan Hale and Benedict Arnold both.

Domenic And Friends

Philosophical Anarchism wrote:Because only in a Capitalistic system can someone choose to deny anyone service without Government annoyances.

But it doesn't happen. Free markets are colour-blind and bring different types of people closer together. Governments are based on collectivism, so are naturally discriminatory institutions.

Novus England wrote:I am indeed. Live in CT, home of Nathan Hale and Benedict Arnold both.

Nice to meet a fellow new Englander I am from RI the ocean stare and the home of Roger Williams.

Domenic And Friends wrote:Nice to meet a fellow new Englander I am from RI the ocean stare and the home of Roger Williams.

Ocean state*

Pevvania wrote:But it doesn't happen. Free markets are colour-blind and bring different types of people closer together. Governments are based on collectivism, so are naturally discriminatory institutions.

We both know that this isn't true across the board. People discriminate everyday in minor or major situations. Individualism is more discriminatory than collectivism because it is based on one individual cooperating with only whom they wish instead of being forced to cooperate.

I went to school in Westerly for a bit

Domenic And Friends

Novus England wrote:I went to school in Westerly for a bit

Westerly is nice I live in Northern RI closer to CT.

Cool. So anyhoo, I have the idea behind the Republic of Novus England outlined in my Factbook, and am considering what has happened in this independent nation since then. How are its relations with those scumbag Americans? Did the South secede? Etc.

Domenic And Friends

I'd Like to form my own party who would i talk to about forming a new political party

Domenic And Friends, Novus England

Gavriilia wrote:I'd Like to form my own party who would i talk to about forming a new political party

TG me.

Gavriilia wrote:I'd Like to form my own party who would i talk to about forming a new political party

Nobody - you can just start one and I'll put it in the world factbook entry! :)

Novus England wrote:Trying to figure out what the hell to do with my idea of an independent New England. Thoughts?

An independent New England will probably be progressive as hell, except for New Hampshire, which will be libertarian.

We are indeed divided between a Libertarian Party and a Democratic Socialist Party.

oh my god OH my god OH MY god OH MY GOD You can basically say anything to me until you say that you don't think vaccines should be mandatory.

Anti-Feminists wrote:What is your argument for vaccines? I am very against them. They flared my Lyme disease as a kid and Made me miss 2ish years of school 4-5th grade.

I get that you had a bad experience with vaccines, but it's most certainly not the fault of the vaccine itself. You know how if you eat corned beef or something before you get really sick, you can't stand the sight of corned beef for like 5 years? Yeah, it's literally not like that at all. It's more like if you get prescribed hydrocodone and you unknowingly slug it down with a double tall Jack daniel's. You can't blame the vicodin for you waking up handcuffed to a hospital bed, and you can't blame the jack and you certainly can't blame the doctor. Some would argue it's your fault for not second guessing your clearly misguided knowledge of drug interactions, but that's not very conducive to the point. It's not the vaccine's fault you had an underlying condition you weren't aware of.

Hallo Island wrote:My argument for, is that if you don't get vaccinated you are a public safety risk. And what proof do you have that they made your Lyme disease flare up? Your medically inept mother told you so?

Even though Hallo's only real defense in a debate is "call the dude a f*ckstick and play it as it lands", he's

actually right here. Vaccines have been proven to work by the fact that they have actually just about eradicated several deadly diseases. Unfortunately, people who have been misinformed with horror stories like your own have made many of these diseases reappear in America. We can't develop herd immunity against a disease if people choose not to give their children the vaccine because of something they read on christiansciencemonitor.com. This is why vaccination is one of the very very very few things I believe should be mandatory. By not getting your child vaccinated, you are hurting other people's children by incompletely immunizing the community and giving viruses a chance to adapt past the vaccine.

Philosophical Anarchism wrote:There'll be no individual autonomy if everyone is forced to put things into themselves they don't want.

I don't think you understand how many people died of spanish influenza. During WWI, it killed more than the actual fighting did.

Anti-Feminists wrote:The vaccine is dangerous. I am not saying they should be banned, but we should all have the right to not have them and focus on more holistic remedies.

I believe you should be able to choose to do anything that doesn't hurt others, but choosing not to vaccinate actually does hurt others, no matter how counter-intuitive it may seem. And the thing with holistic remedies is that when they work, the compounds in them are purified and used as actual medicines so they are stronger. Unless you think holistic remedies are like magical or something, in which case I don't know what to tell you. Many antacids are quite literally just flavored chalk. If you'd rather gnaw on willow bark than take aspirin, go ahead. If you'd rather suck on penicillium fungus than just take penicillin, be my guest. If you just got shot in the kneecap and would rather shove teabags in the wound and lick latex out of persian poppies than take a purified astringent and oxycodone, that's your own suffering. But there is no holistic alternative to vaccination, so you're going to have to suck it up just for once.

And if any of you say a damned word about vaccines having mercury in them, bring it on. Vaccines have mercury in them in the same way that table salt has highly explosive sodium and poisonous chlorine in it. The organomercury compound used as a preservative in vaccines has high enough of an LD-50 that you literally could fill a standard 10 ml syringe with it and it would not once "cause autism"; I so don't want to hear it. Every "incident" of a child getting autism "because it was vaccinated" was actually just an incident of an uninformed mother mistaking correlation for causation and posting about it on their alarmist soccer mom blog.

So, to those of you who believe vaccines are dangerous: tell me; tell me why; I'll tell you why you're wrong.

Midland County wrote:I don't think you understand how many people died of spanish influenza. During WWI, it killed more than the actual fighting did.

Security does NOT trump freedom.

Miencraft

Philosophical Anarchism wrote:Security does NOT trump freedom.

You can't endanger the lives of other people's children because "muh freedom". It doesn't work that way and it never will.

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