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Also, I just performed a musical adaptation of the 1990 film 'Ghost' with Patrick Swayze, in which I portrayed Carl Bruner, the villain. They tell me I was pretty good.

Kings Island, Midland County

Pevvania wrote:Also, I just performed a musical adaptation of the 1990 film 'Ghost' with Patrick Swayze, in which I portrayed Carl Bruner, the villain. They tell me I was pretty good.

Uh you're amazing

Pevvania

Pevvania wrote:Also, I just performed a musical adaptation of the 1990 film 'Ghost' with Patrick Swayze, in which I portrayed Carl Bruner, the villain. They tell me I was pretty good.

I love that movie.

Pevvania

Midland County wrote:Uh you're amazing

Why thank you.

Kings Island wrote:I love that movie.

Me too. Great film.

http://tinyurl.com/okzkyug

Landosenrego

Miencraft wrote:Currently, nobody's running but Humph. Elections are in August, I believe.

Someone do correct me if I'm wrong.

It happens in July.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:It happens in July.

Huh. I thought the last one was in April but ok.

Miencraft wrote:Huh. I thought the last one was in April but ok.

It's in the PA

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:It's in the PA

What's the PA?

Reaganomic Nws wrote:What's the PA?

Presidents' Amendment

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=191063

Pevvania wrote:http://tinyurl.com/okzkyug

Getcho Bernie ass outta here!

Pevvania wrote:Muh Roads has been the best President in nearly a year, and we're truly getting things done. A recruitment drive meant a strong, meaningful boost to our population, while under his tenure the TOTAL RECALL Amendment was passed, along with FRAUD II.

Along with The REDS Amendment, which was symbolic of this administration's intensifying of and commitment to The War.

Muh Roads was an exceptional President, and I, personally, am saddened to see him leave the office that he has served so very well.

Thank you, Roads. Thank you, VP Humpheria, Managers, Board members, and citizens. This truly has been a great time to call Libertatem home.

May we be blessed with many more victories and many more years.

Was there ever a group more entertaining to watch on stage and fun to listen to?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obAtn6I5rbY

The New United States wrote:Along with The REDS Amendment, which was symbolic of this administration's intensifying of and commitment to The War.

Muh Roads was an exceptional President, and I, personally, am saddened to see him leave the office that he has served so very well.

Thank you, Roads. Thank you, VP Humpheria, Managers, Board members, and citizens. This truly has been a great time to call Libertatem home.

May we be blessed with many more victories and many more years.

Speaking of; REDS, TOTAL RECALL, and my amendments need to be added to the laws.. am I missing anything else?

The New United States wrote:Was there ever a group more entertaining to watch on stage and fun to listen to?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obAtn6I5rbY

Rhetorical?

Tyrinth wrote:Rhetorical?

Nope. You got a recommendation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oiWPNYr30I

this is what i see when i close my eyes

Pevvania

The New United States wrote:Nope. You got a recommendation?

A certain Australian band with a name gleaned from a sewing machine comes to mind.

A little less so nowadays now that they're like 90, but still... Haha.

jeb bush is a libertarian republican

Alyakia wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oiWPNYr30I

this is what i see when i close my eyes

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/001/517/must_not.jpg

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:It happens in July.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Presidents' Amendment

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=191063

That's a glitch, remember? Elections are December-April-August

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Pevvania wrote:That's a glitch, remember? Elections are December-April-August

No I don't remember. We've always done it by the PA.

The Liberty Gazette wrote:A glimpse at this week's headlines:

[B]SURGE - Communists Crumble as REATO Returns

I Choose Not to Run - President Roads Forgoes Re-election, Citing Successful First Term

Fantastic! - Hyatt Islands Saved by Multi-Regional Coalition Against the Odds[/B]

The Liberty Gazette - bringing freedom right to your doorstep.

I didn't know there was a Liberty Gazette - nice story. Maybe we should push this as a propaganda piece? If it was put on a forum thread and the region factbook, I mean. Sort of like the Red and Black.

And here I am with no easy access to the newspaper because NS++ is broken and neglected.

Miencraft wrote:And here I am with no easy access to the newspaper because NS++ is broken and neglected.

I feel your pain, brother.

The Liberty Gazette wrote:A glimpse at this week's headlines:

[B]SURGE - Communists Crumble as REATO Returns

I Choose Not to Run - President Roads Forgoes Re-election, Citing Successful First Term

Fantastic! - Hyatt Islands Saved by Multi-Regional Coalition Against the Odds[/B]

The Liberty Gazette - bringing freedom right to your doorstep.

Great headlines, now write the etories.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Great headlines, now write the etories.

The first one is written.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:No I don't remember. We've always done it by the PA.

I wrote the Presidents' Amendment, and intended for it to mean that elections take place during December, April and August, writing in Section II.3 "Every four months, popular, region-wide elections are to be held for the position of President."

Section 2.7 begins by reading that "A single Presidential term is to last four months, and will begin and end on the First of every January...". Beginning the Presidential Term on January clearly indicates that the election would have occurred the previous month. (Hence S2.4 "These Presidential elections are to fixed, and held for 3 days in the later part of every month before a new Presidential term begins.") The rest of S2.7 reads "April and August". But this cannot possibly follow if "A single presidential term is to last four months", because that would mean elections would be held in December, March and July. If we followed this, Condealism would have had to leave office on April the 1st!

We've always recognised this technical error in the Constitution - but for some reason never rectified it - which is why since my constitutional reforms we've held the presidentials on December 2013, April, August and December 2014, and April 2015.

The New United States wrote:Was there ever a group more entertaining to watch on stage and fun to listen to?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obAtn6I5rbY

http://youtu.be/gOjzF5TGoio

Pevvania wrote:jeb bush is a libertarian republican

He is?

Kings Island

Pevvania wrote:jeb bush is a libertarian republican

Jeb Bush supports mandatory prison sentences for drug offenses, escalating the drug war, supported TAARP, the Florida budget has expanded 27% since he's been in office, supports common core, says he doesn't understand the debate around NSA spying and calls it "hugely important" to continue, encourages regime change in Iran and says that a military option shouldn't be taken off the table, and the whole Terri Schiavo things.

I'm not sure "Republican Libertarian" means what you think it means.

Tyrinth, Kings Island, Pevvania, Hallo Island, Condealism

I would like to request my citizenship and all offices and commendations be transferred to this nation.

Humpheria wrote:I would like to request my citizenship and all offices and commendations be transferred to this nation.

Boop.

Hallo Island

Miencraft wrote:Boop.

Thank you, Manager.

So several clicking functions on my mouse became pretty broken.

Apparently, the solution is to simply blow on them.

I can't tell if that's good or bad.

It's good because it's an easy fix, but it's bad because it means that this thing can break because of really silly things.

Pevvania wrote:Bit of both. I like the the empiricism of the Chicago School, but it's too reliant on Keynesian tropes. It has continued to press the inevitability of 'bleeding out' a troubled economy via monetary policy, despite the supply-side school's assertions that negative effects of tight money can be offset by tax cuts.

I'm slowly accepting more and more of the arguments of the Austrian School, particularly with the federal reserve and the 2008 crisis explanation of which the Chicago School/CATO is unconvincing.

Otherwise I have always been more of a beltway libertarian than anything :p

Kings Island, Pevvania, Reaganomic Nws

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'm slowly accepting more and more of the arguments of the Austrian School, particularly with the federal reserve and the 2008 crisis explanation of which the Chicago School/CATO is unconvincing.

As someone whose only background on the 2008 crisis is the Thomas Woods book "Meltdown" and whatever I've read at CATO, I'd love it if someone could give me a breakdown of the Austrian School of thought on the matter.

It's not exactly hopping today.

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The Liberty Gazette wrote:A glimpse at this week's headlines:

[B]SURGE - Communists Crumble as REATO Returns

I Choose Not to Run - President Roads Forgoes Re-election, Citing Successful First Term

Fantastic! - Hyatt Islands Saved by Multi-Regional Coalition Against the Odds[/B]

The Liberty Gazette - bringing freedom right to your doorstep.

I'm glad I was active to help with Hyatt Islands! :)

Pevvania

"The truth is that men are tired of liberty." -Benito Mussolini

Hallo Island, Reaganomic Nws

Post self-deleted by The American Empire In Libertatem.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"The truth is that men are tired of liberty." -Benito Mussolini

Yes, we all dream of being controlled by fascists.

Reaganomic Nws

Muh Roads wrote:Yes, we all dream of being controlled by fascists.

I don't know about you, but when I say "I want more liberty", what I really want is the state to interfere and tell me whats best in every single facet of my life. I'm so tired of being able to do whatever I want to do, please put a gun to me head and tell me what to do!

Reaganomic Nws

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'm slowly accepting more and more of the arguments of the Austrian School, particularly with the federal reserve and the 2008 crisis explanation of which the Chicago School/CATO is unconvincing.

Otherwise I have always been more of a beltway libertarian than anything :p

It kind of disappoints me in the direction that CATO has headed towards in the 21st century. If you ever have any questions about anything, let us know!

Muh Roads wrote:Yes, we all dream of being controlled by fascists.

Furtively. Cautiously. *slowly extends arm* Heil.

Rothbardialand wrote:I don't know about you, but when I say "I want more liberty", what I really want is the state to interfere and tell me whats best in every single facet of my life. I'm so tired of being able to do whatever I want to do, please put a gun to me head and tell me what to do!

Agreed, comrade. Furthermore, if there is no state, then who in the heck will protect my right to other people's stuff?!

Rothbardialand wrote:It kind of disappoints me in the direction that CATO has headed towards in the 21st century. If you ever have any questions about anything, let us know!

...controlled by the Ku Klux Koch and Objectivist alliance...

I can't stand the imbeciles at strike the root blog who make innane comments about minarchism not being libertarian. Maybe they should read Nozick and stop fapping to muh nap all the time. Smh

Muh Roads wrote:Yes, we all dream of being controlled by fascists.

We already are, it's called the RLP. :p

CATO isn't that bad though, and produces a lot of amazing stuff.

Also:

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2015/06/25/op-ed-libertarians-have-long-led-way-marriage

Libertarians: more progressive than the Progressives since 1972.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:We already are, it's called the RLP. :p

It's a one party state. This democracy is just an illusion xD

Republic Of Minerva, The American Empire In Libertatem

So, is the RLP the only active party? I've read the lists, I mean in actuality.

Kings Island wrote:So, is the RLP the only active party? I've read the lists, I mean in actuality.

Weren't you going to start your own party?

Kings Island wrote:So, is the RLP the only active party? I've read the lists, I mean in actuality.

Yeah, kinda. The PRR has membership but not any office.

The Aradites wrote:Weren't you going to start your own party?

Yes. I'm announcing it and a canidacy 2 weeks prior to the board election, so it's not forgotten about and I can build up hype. I'd also like time to analyze the RLP so I know what I'm up against.

I have a working platform but I'd also like to conceal that until the appropriate time.

I support Market Democracy and Anticipatory Democracy as the only fair democratic systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_capitalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticipatory_democracy

Kings Island wrote:Yes. I'm announcing it and a canidacy 2 weeks prior to the board election, so it's not forgotten about and I can build up hype. I'd also like time to analyze the RLP so I know what I'm up against.

Ask away to any party leadere. Pev is Chairman so you would probably get the best answer from him.

Kings Island

I've thought a lot lately about the ideal form of government, and I'd like your input.

To me, the ideal state would be headed by an elected monarch. Limited accountability ensures efficacy of government. Let's call the monarch an emperor because it sounds cool.

The emperor would constitutionally have no domestic powers, but would act as a chief diplomat. He/she would however be granted extensive reserve powers during times of emergengy as determined by a 3/4 vote of the upper house, as well as appointing senators.

The lower house (let's call it the Legislative Assembly) would be chosen by interest groups divided among professions, so as to be truly representative. It would have the sole power to declare war and to elect a prime minister.

The upper house (the Senate) would consist of appointed peers. Half would be appointed by the states and half by the monarch. The senate would be able to delay the passage of legislation for 2 years, to appoint chief justices, to depose the Emperor upon a 4/5 vote and to grant reserve powers upon a 3/4 vote.

The constitution would include strict limits on the economy, guaranteeing overwhelming property rights. This would additionally lead to a nonpartisan spirit where officials are chosen solely for their efficacy, and would discourage the formation of parties.

I've thought a lot about this lately. What do you all think?

The American Empire In Libertatem

I meant to say strict limits on government intervention in the economy.

Best state=no state

Acceptable state=night-watchman state

Pevvania

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:We already are, it's called the RLP. :p

What does that stand for?

Reaganomic Nws wrote:Best state=no state

Acceptable state=night-watchman state

Well, it's designed to ensure the state never grows larger than a night watchman state.

I disagree with giving tax money to a watery old tart who wears metal on his head.

Any benevolent monarch is just that - a utopian ideal. We do not let central planners run the market, and neither shall we let them run the country. Only the people can guarantee their liberties, and the best way to do that is through a constitutional republic with elements of direct and grassroots democracy, like Switzerland. Or a democracy based on market decisions (market democracy). Ancient Iceland is actually a good example of the latter.

Let's not forget that minarchy is mutually incompatible with monarchy.

Reaganomic Nws wrote:What does that stand for?

The Reaganist Libertarian Party

Sorry Kings, Board elections occur every two months. So you'll have to run in August.

Pevvania wrote:Sorry Kings, Board elections occur every two months. So you'll have to run in August.

I know mate, I'm waiting until then. I'm familiar with the laws.

Pevvania

Reaganomic Nws wrote:Let's not forget that minarchy is mutually incompatible with monarchy.

Eh. I would argue that a monarch can in certain cases act as a check against the legislatures.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I disagree with giving tax money to a watery old tart who wears metal on his head.

Any benevolent monarch is just that - a utopian ideal. We do not let central planners run the market, and neither shall we let them run the country. Only the people can guarantee their liberties, and the best way to do that is through a constitutional republic with elements of direct and grassroots democracy, like Switzerland. Or a democracy based on market decisions (market democracy). Ancient Iceland is actually a good example of the latter.

It's essentially a president with a life term and a different title.

I think the question is though; in a fully democratic system, what checks are there on the masses? It seems that absolute democracy, and even republicanism, can lead to tyranny of the masses.

Kings Island wrote:Eh. I would argue that a monarch can in certain cases act as a check against the legislatures.

*I would argue.

Kings Island wrote:It's essentially a president with a life term and a different title.

I think the question is though; in a fully democratic system, what checks are there on the masses? It seems that absolute democracy, and even republicanism, can lead to tyranny of the masses.

A constitution maybe? Derp.

In market democracy, the actors of democracy are making decisions not through voting, but through their own economic decisions. In many regards its like direct democracy, but instead of voting people's rights away, people keep their rights and utilize them.

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:A constitution maybe? Derp.

In market democracy, the actors of democracy are making decisions not through voting, but through their own economic decisions. In many regards its like direct democracy, but instead of voting people's rights away, people keep their rights and utilize them.

Let's say I'm an actor in a market democracy, and I produce, I don't know, some sort of chemicals. Due to my negligent business practices I pollute a local river and suddenly, more people start having stillborn children.

I would argue such a practice would violate the NAP, yet in this case I could also reasonably claim it does not. Without some form of government to protect my right to life and, furthermore, my right to safeguard my property from pollution, who's to stop me?

To address your other point, the US has a constitution. Yet this is frequently ignored by the legislature.

I don't see why libertarians are so hostile to democracy. The early liberals all believed that democracy was superior to monarchy - it would be better to give some people say in the management of their lives than none at all, and there never existed a ruler or king that gave freedoms to the people. Only the people can do that, after all. A libertarian society won't come about due to an enlightened minority, but only until the majority acceptance of libertarian ideals by the masses.

In any situation, a market in which products or whatever die out do to a competition is similarly an encroachment on some people's negative rights to enjoy that product. The market is no different from democracy in which it selects what will be made, who will have power, whatever. The only difference is that since direct democracy doesn't work well, the market is the next best thing.

Kings Island wrote:Let's say I'm an actor in a market democracy, and I produce, I don't know, some sort of chemicals. Due to my negligent business practices I pollute a local river and suddenly, more people start having stillborn children.

I would argue such a practice would violate the NAP, yet in this case I could also reasonably claim it does not. Without some form of government to protect my right to life and, furthermore, my right to safeguard my property from pollution, who's to stop me?

To address your other point, the US has a constitution. Yet this is frequently ignored by the legislature.

I am not an anarchist. My vision of market/anticipatory democracy is that policy would be set on market analysis - that is the law would be made through a common law system that arises out of these sort of conflicts in the market, as you just describe. The government's only job is to enforce this. Juries too, can play a powerful role in the system - look up jury nullification.

Who would you trust as an Emperor?

Muh Roads?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I don't see why libertarians are so hostile to democracy. The early liberals all believed that democracy was superior to monarchy - it would be better to give some people say in the management of their lives than none at all, and there never existed a ruler or king that gave freedoms to the people. Only the people can do that, after all. A libertarian society won't come about due to an enlightened minority, but only until the majority acceptance of libertarian ideals by the masses.

In any situation, a market in which products or whatever die out do to a competition is similarly an encroachment on some people's negative rights to enjoy that product. The market is no different from democracy in which it selects what will be made, who will have power, whatever. The only difference is that since direct democracy doesn't work well, the market is the next best thing.

So until the market adjusts to bring production of a product which is clearly and severely harmful to unborn children (in this case) to a grinding halt, we should just twiddle our thumbs, comforted by the knowledge that we're promoting free markets?

To address your point, the system I described is rather democratic. The monarch is elected by the populace, the lower house is elected, and the upper house is appointed by elected officials.

Even if it wasn't, government exists to safeguard individual liberties and prevent aggression. Frankly, whether a night watchman state is democratic or not doesn't especially matter so long as there are firm limits on it's power.

The American Empire In Libertatem wrote:Who would you trust as an Emperor?

Muh Roads?

This is a real life thing, and would fail in Libertatem. An emperor would be bad for our image, and would be problematic considering nations CTE.

But if I trusted anyone, it would be Muh President.

Kings Island wrote:So until the market adjusts to bring production of a product which is clearly and severely harmful to unborn children (in this case) to a grinding halt, we should just twiddle our thumbs, comforted by the knowledge that we're promoting free markets?

To address your point, the system I described is rather democratic. The monarch is elected by the populace, the lower house is elected, and the upper house is appointed by elected officials.

Even if it wasn't, government exists to safeguard individual liberties and prevent aggression. Frankly, whether a night watchman state is democratic or not doesn't especially matter so long as there are firm limits on it's power.

See my above post. Past precedent creates laws.

Then that's a rather fancy term for a president, don't you think?

Such limits cannot be created without first getting to that point. And a libertarian dictatorship is a nice idea in theory, but a dictator has no more vested interested than the populace, or may be equally flawed.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:See my above post. Past precedent creates laws.

Then that's a rather fancy term for a president, don't you think?

Such limits cannot be created without first getting to that point. And a libertarian dictatorship is a nice idea in theory, but a dictator has no more vested interested than the populace, or may be equally flawed.

Well, fancy names cultivate the sort of image that's useful for a head of state. Monarchs make excellent diplomats.

Right, I misread the post. My mistake.

The "dictator", an odd term considering I specified that the emperor's powers are severely limited except in times of emergency (with senatorial authorization) and that he/she is elected, has a vested interest in not being voted out by the Senate.

Note to the commies: if you send a nation here, calling it a name beginning with 'Capital' is not exactly going to make you blend in.

Reaganomic Nws

Rothbardialand wrote:Jeb Bush supports mandatory prison sentences for drug offenses, escalating the drug war, supported TAARP, the Florida budget has expanded 27% since he's been in office, supports common core, says he doesn't understand the debate around NSA spying and calls it "hugely important" to continue, encourages regime change in Iran and says that a military option shouldn't be taken off the table, and the whole Terri Schiavo things.

I'm not sure "Republican Libertarian" means what you think it means.

yeah well you just want the democrats to win!!!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'm slowly accepting more and more of the arguments of the Austrian School, particularly with the federal reserve and the 2008 crisis explanation of which the Chicago School/CATO is unconvincing.

Otherwise I have always been more of a beltway libertarian than anything :p

What is the Chicago School explanation, anyway? Interest rates raised too quickly or something?

Landosenrego wrote:As someone whose only background on the 2008 crisis is the Thomas Woods book "Meltdown" and whatever I've read at CATO, I'd love it if someone could give me a breakdown of the Austrian School of thought on the matter.

Meltdown's a good layman's book, but it does simplify things quite a bit. I also think that Woods's bit on deflation glossed over the immediate problems that it can sometimes cause, and does not effectively answer mainstream criticisms of it, nor does it distinguish between monetary and price deflation.

Landosenrego

So what would Liberosia's position as founder be analogous to in a real life government? The type of figurehead queen/king England has?

Midland County wrote:So what would Liberosia's position as founder be analogous to in a real life government? The type of figurehead queen/king England has?

My understanding of the constitution is that the founder possesses extensive reserve powers and the ability to create executive legislation. So not quite a figurehead.

Midland County wrote:So what would Liberosia's position as founder be analogous to in a real life government? The type of figurehead queen/king England has?

Nah, the way I see it, he'd be more like the team of guys with access to the nuclear launch codes.

Miencraft, Tyrinth, Kings Island, Pevvania, Hallo Island, Midland County, Landosenrego, Reaganomic Nws

Midland County wrote:So what would Liberosia's position as founder be analogous to in a real life government? The type of figurehead queen/king England has?

No, [nation=short]Liberosia[/nation]'s not a monarch. He's the hero this region deserves, but doesn't need right now. A dark defender, a silent guardian. A libertarian knight.

Kings Island, Humpheria, Right-Winged Nation, Muh Roads, Midland County, Landosenrego, Reaganomic Nws

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When socialists preach peace, but advocate a system of institutionalised violence, force, theft and murder

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg

The New United States, Reaganomic Nws

Pevvania wrote:When socialists preach peace, but advocate a system of institutionalised violence, force, theft and murder

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg

Haven't seen that in a while...

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva

Us capitalists sure are evil, How dare I pay for a strangers groceries this morning.

Miencraft, Kings Island, Pevvania, The New United States, Humpheria, Right-Winged Nation, Condealism, Midland County, Landosenrego, Reaganomic Nws

Idiotic meme of the day:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NiBUaduZqz8/T9uCAoHHcCI/AAAAAAAABko/Q-pIf_ha1Y0/s1600/common+sense+bernie.png

My retort: oh really, is this why freaking Norwegians are seeking out healthcare in the US because it's much better? Or maybe it's all dat oil money clogging the system?

Go read a book, Bernie.

Landosenrego

I'm fed up with earth, who wants to go live the borderless life on Mars with me? I've got a lucrative business plan :P

Miencraft, Pevvania, Right-Winged Nation

Muh Roads wrote:I'm fed up with earth, who wants to go live the borderless life on Mars with me? I've got a lucrative business plan :P

I've got a plan to mine asteroids for silver and other metals!

Muh Roads

Can we stop being so dead please? Thanks.

Humpheria wrote:Can we stop being so dead please? Thanks.

Sorry i was blazing listening to grateful dead

Midland County

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