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Region: Libertatem
Miri, this is a very bad idea and just for fun, no. It would be an ugly bloody fight, just what the leftist democrats want. Pence and a few others will challenge Trump, and that is enough challenges.
I have to agree with the guy attached to the banana shaped wicker.
Romney is dangerous. He is a danger to Constitutional liberty, to the disestablishment voters, and has a lot of dark money at his disposal. The more honest scrutiny he gets in his political dealings as a current Senator and the less attention he gets as a prospective candidate the better.
*the water is almost boiled, the biscuits🫓, sandwiches🥪, paninis, and cake🧁 are on the tray, the sugar bowl and milk jug are set, and the cups, teapots, tumblers, and mugs are on standby*🫖
Heya, hope you're having a good weekend. I saw that some former regionmates are currently running a poll about what our favourite is: tea or coffee? so I thought I'd share it here https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=187814
(Also please check out the dispatch below that I cowrote and please upvote it if you enjoyed it! Cheers!😊)
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1722120
Anarchlandia
After putting up with all of Biden's failings, I do not ever want to hear a Leftist complain about any Constitution, Libertarian, or Conservative pundit ever again.
Miri Islands, Anarchlandia, Miami Jai-Alai 3
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In times like these, viewing/reading Reagan's 1st Inaugural Address is pretty comforting. I am going on to read his State of the Union Adresses, 2nd Innagural Address, and Farewell Address next. I would recommend that others do the same.
Miami Jai-Alai 3
I'll have to read those sometime. That said, Lincoln's second inaugural address is perhaps the single greatest speech ever given by a US president.
Narland
Make Cuba Great Again.
Narland
I think it is just around the corner. When the Cubanos make a move toward Liberty, what do you think it will look like?
Miami Jai-Alai 3
Cuba will explode again. A street party.
Narland, Auxorii
It's definitely got the weather for it (after the rains) in the (relative) cool of the night.
I was at Gitmo for about 2 weeks in the 80s. I tried to import an iguana back to Florida and it turned into bureaucratic nightmare. Also I remember standing on the side of a street talking to a friend, as a brightly colored crab was crossing the street toward us. I turned my attention back to my friend, and started talking. I felt something at my leg and look down and there was the crab stopped at my feet side striking my pantleg with its claw in a backhanded manner. Wondering what it was doing, my friend said, "It wants you to get out of its way." I stepped aside and the crab sauntered on across the curb and into the brush.
I got to know more Cubans in Florida and Puerto Rico than I did at Guantanamo.
Rateria, Miami Jai-Alai 3
Cool story, thanks. Declare Guantanamo Bay Cuba, an independent Cuban nation, a Cuban government in exile. Cuban Americans estimate it can have a population of at least 500,000 Cubans, which would be more prosperous than Cuba, at least per capital $ and actual. I have the perfect flag for it, my flag, look at my flag. I have the nation of Guantanamo Bay Cuba.
Narland
I prefer the historical flag. Its simplicity is nice.
I have shown my GMS 3 Flag to many Cuban American Friends and Family and they love it. Its meanings unite the Cuban Americans and Cubans all over the world, with the Cubans in Cuba. Keep in mind, Cuban Americans and Cubans all over the world, send family and friends in Cuba, family remittances $ and care packages of foods, goods, medicines and toilet paper, even toilet paper. So my Flag would be perfect for a Guantanamo Bay Cuba nation and unity Flag for all Cubans.
It is the Cuban Flag inversed on both ends, with the Cuban Coat of Arms in the middle. Guantanamo Bay Cuba as a nation, cant officially have the same Flag as Cuba.
I have the nation of Guantanamo Bay Cuba on NS.
Narland, Perapasuy
A few years back I got to visit Reagan Ranch during a YAF conference was a great experience and really showed how humble and down to earth President Reagan was
Narland
Like that scene in The Godfather pt 2 where the communists take over?
A few leading members of my fraternity in Cuba issued statements criticizing the Cuban government last February during the protests, and were questioned or detained by the police. The fraternity in Cuba exists with the permission of the deceased Fidel Castro, and is regulated by the Central Committee and the Office of Religious Affairs, which has placed heavy restrictions on the brethren, and ultimately controls who can be elected into leadership positions, and the content, time, and place of our activities. Government infiltrators and informants are widely believed to be ubiquitous, and either way, we are required to give account of what we do to the Communist Party. Nevertheless, as far as Ive been able to tell, and as evidenced by the public actions of the Cuban brethren, theyve maintained the integrity of the institution and continue to honor our tenets. I am not aware of what ended up befalling those leaders in Cuba, the news I got was that some were briefly detained and questioned, but I suspect that the fraternity received some punishment later on.
Are you Catholic or Protestant?
"Like that scene in The Godfather pt 2 where the communists take over" How do you compare the anti Cuban government protests in Cuba on Jan 11 2021 to this statement?
"A few leading members of my fraternity in Cuba" What? You have a fraternity in Cuba? What kind of fraternity do you have in Cuba?
"The fraternity in Cuba exists with the permission of the deceased Fidel Castro, and is regulated by the Central Committee and the Office of Religious Affairs" ok, but the Central Committee and the Office of Religious Affairs" ? Lol.
"we are required to give account of what we do to the Communist Party." Give me an account of what you and we do in Cuba? How many times do you and we visit Cuba? Who are we in Cuba?
"Nevertheless, as far as Ive been able to tell, and as evidenced by the public actions of the Cuban brethren, theyve maintained the integrity of the institution and continue to honor our tenets."Cuban brethern? What are your tenets in Cuba?
Do you speak Spanish, like understand Spanish. Yes or No?
Please Post in English Not Spanish?
Neither
The initial comment was a mostly unrelated joke.
The kind where initiated members come together on a regular basis for the purpose of fraternity, to inculcate a shared morality, education, discussion of matters of import, charity, aid and relief for distressed and elderly members, as well as the initiation of new members. That kind of fraternity.
These are the bodies that Ive been told do the most meddling into what, where, and how my Cuban brothers conduct their business.
I use we because we are members are of the same group. I have never been to Cuba, and have no current plans to go there.
Belief in the fatherhood of God, that all humanity constitutes a single family, regardless of national, political, religious, and economic distinctions. We attempt to practice in our personal lives the theological virtues of faith, hope, and charity, so as to promote the liberty, equality, and fraternity of our brother men.
I do not speak or understand Spanish well. I know enough Spanish to help me make it through an average day in my Spanish class back in high school, or to communicate with some Brazilian friends and their families who speak Portuguese. That is to say, my Spanish is terrible.
I hope liberty comes to Cuba within our lifetimes
Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa, Miri Islands, Anarchlandia, Miami Jai-Alai 3
Finaly a region that feels more like home 🥺
I just joined and thought I would say hello!
Auxorii
Hurrah! The EPA has been put back in it's cage! Down with the feds!
Narland, Anarchlandia
Not really. All the court did was say that they need to wait for congress to give them the authority to do things (which they will in less than a heartbeat). The court passed on an opportunity to make what was clearly the most honest statement: that Federal bureaucracy cannot exercise congressional powers without constitutional amendment.
Miencraft, Narland
Welcome to the club.
Narland, Auxorii, Anarchlandia
Welcome friend
Narland, Auxorii, Anarchlandia, Miami Jai-Alai 3
Oh, I heard WV "won" the case and I assumed with the court being on a roll they basically ended federal overreach. I'll take a win where I can get it though
There's now at least a barrier to federal power
Narland
I GMS have been on NS for over 11 years since the old co UK forum days and NS 2, as a Proud, Pro USA, America First, Conservative, Republican, Nationalist, with a slight Economic Libertarian Streak, I Am the Real Thing.
Narland
We are happy to have you here, welcome.
Narland, Anarchlandia, Miami Jai-Alai 3
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Happy 4th of July
Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eighty-Eight, Miri Islands, Anarchlandia, Miami Jai-Alai 3
Happy Fourth of July to Fellow Americans. I am going to my favorite Primo, Cousins house in Pembroke Pines, Broward County Florida, USA, for a Fourth of July Party.
Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Anarchlandia
To those who havent yet:
Remember to join the regions discord server. A good portion of our community and our activity is offsite, so if you want a greater experience with Tatem, use the link that can be found in the WFE to join.
Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Like Coca-Cola. Its advertising slogan used to be: It's the real thing.
I had some nations on the old Jolt server but because of a bad tbi neglected and then forgot about them. One of them I think was Allezvous or Allezvous-en, or something like that.
Still waiting for a response from the Discord lawyers as to my questions regarding their TOS and PrivPol. Hope springs eternal says no one when waiting on corporate lawyers.
Miami Jai-Alai 3
I hope every one had a good Independence Day. I got to hand out a bunch of pocket sized Founding Documents. It is amazing what a difference two years makes. The same group of people 4 years ago that had given me a hard time for supporting (the Liberty loving part of) Trump, and were backing Leftists were all talking like they had been converted over to freedom.
I passed them out the Founding Documents like they were candy. And flashdrives with 2000 Mules, What is a Woman, and Principles of Liberty. :)
Miami Jai-Alai 3
I am glad that the Supreme Court is returning to an awareness that the Constitution is the Supreme law of the Land. It is difficult to adjudicate according to the Constitution when it doesn't not even believe in constitutional jurisprudence. The Progressives in my circle of association are alarmed at this turn of events.
I do think for sanity's sake the Supreme Court should be increased to 15 Justices. But that is to even out the case load by dividing up the 9th Circuit and others where the population and caseload disparity is worst among the Circuit Courts. I would only want that done in times where the appointments are done by a President who will only appoint those who actually understand the organic documents, the historic common law, not to mention capably skilled to articulate natural rights, social contract, individual liberty, and to mete justice accordingly. I think it would be too disruptive to redraw circuit court boundaries with 9 Justices, but it is doable also.
The Supreme Court restrained itself pretty well in that decision. I am impressed. It is very important for the Courts to only rule on the issue at hand. Not doing so is how America has gotten into the messes it has, especially with the worst decisions such as Dredd Scott. The next case regarding unconstitutional overreach should neuter the EPA and OSHA from their jackboot thuggery. Once the groundwork is relaid, after about 3 to 5 more decisions, there will be standing to get rid of some of the worst unsanctioned and unlawful acts of indiscretion within the Federal government.
RIP to Shinzo Abe who was assassinated today. The former PM was a true hero and patriot
Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Miri Islands, Miami Jai-Alai 3
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1730535
President - Lincoln Diaz-Balart.
Vice President - Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.
GMS Council of Ministers.
Make and Keep Miami Greater Again.
The Conservative Republican Nationalist Patriot Party - CRNPP..
The Democratic Capitalist $ Republic of Greater Miami Shores.
We order the Flags of Greater Miami Shores at Half Staff, in Honor of Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe, of Greater Japan NS, the Japanese People and the Greater Miamian Japanese community of Legal Foreign Nationals, Immigrant citizens to be and legal citizens of Greater Miami Shores. He was and is a great friend, great man and great leader of Japan and the Japanese People.
If a temple is to be erected, a temple must be destroyed.
Friggin moonie
I plan on doing scans on a large number of documents. This project will take quite a bit of time. I will offer to give Tatemites access to some of these scans.
Ive already decided to offer Tatem access to an expose on the ritual of the historical Knights of Labor. Due to the inability to share documents through NS, I would require an email. If anybody is interested, please feel free to shoot me a telegram.
God bless whoever destroyed the satanic globalist "guidestones" in Georgia.
The guidestones wre not America's Stonehenge they are a ugly reminder of globalism's main goal
Narland
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1730535
lol.
President - Lincoln Diaz-Balart.
Vice President - Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.
GMS Council of Ministers.
Make and Keep Miami Greater Again.
The Conservative Republican Nationalist Patriot Party - CRNPP..
The Democratic Capitalist $ Republic of Greater Miami Shores.
Ok, whatever. Ive never understood why many American Christians obsess over things that do no matter, and make so many assumptions about little things they know little about.
Didnt know that they were blown up though.
The claim that the guidestones were some type of Satanic monument always perplexed me. Most of the inscriptions on the thing have clear parallels with the Noachide Laws and the teachings of the Church Fathers.
Auxorii
I have alway thought of them as more like Mirror Universe Spock with a goatée parallels. :) The Noachic Covenant was God's promise to not destroy the Earth again with water. The token of the covenant is the rainbow. He will refrain from destroying the Earth with fire as long as the conditions are kept. The guidestones seemed rather rash and not well thought out.
NOACHIC COVENANT (not shouting using legal style)
Commanded By God's Sanction:
1. Prosper (work ethic and natural political economy),
2. Reproduce (marriage (implied: naturally between a man and woman -- no fornication), family, and community),
3. Fill the Earth (nations, peoples in trade, commerce, and mutual beneficial exchange).
Covenantal Obligation:
4. Conservation: Responsibility / Accountability over every living creature, and a curse on us in which animals are now "afraid" of humans.
5. Livestock in addition to Farming/Orcharding: All living creatures are ours for food (just as plants were in the earth that was), except for meat with its lifeblood still in it. Don't eat that.
6. God is now the Avenger of Blood: God will avenge the lifeblood of the humans from now on, against other humans, and the animals. We merely mete out justice.
7. Capital Punishment Required (implied just adjudication of law): Whoever sheds human blood, God both requires and sanctions humans to shed that person blood, because we are made in his image and reflect God's very nature.
8. Mandated Purpose (reiterated): We are here to be fruitful, reproduce, spread out over the earth and multiply on it (implied: the right way, not as in the Earth that was)
Promised by God:
9: He won't destroy the Earth again by Water.
Covenantal Penalty:
Implied. He will destroy the Earth eventually because mankind is wicked. Once we sufficiently violate this covenant, God will act.
Token of this Covenant
10. the Rainbow.
THE GUIDESTONES: (again not shouting, using legal style)
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion faith tradition and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world order court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth beauty love seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth Leave room for nature Leave room for nature.
Re: The Georgia Guidestones.
No. 1 is definitely a violation of the Noahide Covenant.
No 2 sounds more like Eugenics that Natural family.
No.3. Klingon anyone? Not a fan of a mandatory global language considering what happened to mankind the last time.
No. 4. According to whom? French revolutionaries, the Politburo, Manson Family, MLP, Dianeticians?
No. 5. Sounds good.
No. 6. No thank you. When world court gets it wrong (and they will), there's no voting with one's feet.
No. 7. Common sense for the win.
No. 8. Again, according to Whom?
No. 9. the infinite whom/what?
No. 10 Yet again according to whom,?
So basically batting .100 with the good ideas. And to call them "America's Stonehenge" equating them with an ancient site of historical and archeological importance was dumb as well.
Narland
Number 4 is an essential part of the ideology of founders like Washington and Franklin.
Narland
I considered it more of a curiosity than anything else. Calling it America's Stonehenge was a fraudulently gross mischaracterization, like calling a Ford Fiesta America's Flying Spur. But, like the Confusion Hill roadside attraction, or the world's largest ball of yarn it didn't seem to have much significance in the larger scheme of things.
I understand the sentiment to make a monument that will stand the test of time once the person is gone, and society is in shambles. People put up the 10 Commandments, Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights, Gettysburg Address, etc., for such purposes. For the Dispensational Fundamentalist variety of Christian, setting a monument that smacks of eugenics is Satanic. Technically it's diabolic, but I tend to give anti-intellectuals some slack in their choice of words.
All of the guide points put together are uncogent for a comprehensive and integral polity. Some are innately hostile to self-government and assume an authoritarian/totalitarian State. One rightly assumes self-governance in contradiction to some others. One is spot-on in plain English. And the rest are open to interpretation so as to invite faction and open hostility.
It could be interpreted so. There is just the one sentence. When taken with the other guidelines I can see it easily get lost in the mix of ideologies.
God bless the farmers in the Netherlands who are taking a stand against the "green" agenda. We cannot allow the WEF and Green New Deal to succeed
Miencraft, Narland, Miami Jai-Alai 3
May God protect and defend them.
Miami Jai-Alai 3
RIP to Ivana Trump
Narland, Auxorii, Miami Jai-Alai 3
Eventually I was going to personally invite Narland, Suzi Island, Miri Islands and all of my fellow Libertatem s, to vote and post on my general forum thread of The US Guantanamo Naval Base, but I see Narland found it and participated on it. Thank you Narland.
Please read the OP Introduction Post before voting on the Poll, so you understand the nature of the thread and potential poll options. Perhaps I should have made it with 10 out of 10 poll options to weight it, and now its too late, but no poll is perfect. Here is the link if any of you wish to vote and post on it, you can only vote for one poll option.
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=521161&start=150
I am the only person on NS who numbers their poll options, I do it to make it easier to follow the results of the poll and as a point of reference in our posts, and I do have bad eye sight, so it helps me. I suggest and encourage all of my fellow OPs to start doing like I do.
When a poll has the 10 maximum poll options allowed, I post them like this:
01 -
02 -
03 -
09 -
10 -
11 - 12 and so on can be used as a write in post vote.
Thank you.
GMS.
Why do we change our own for climates heated by another sun? Whoever, by becoming an exile from his country, escaped likewise from himself?
Horace
Narland
Good old Horace. There was a section on greek and roman poets in our 6th grade literature class (and peppered throughout our former curriculum) that was robbed from us when the NEA took over our school system and shoved the extremely dumbed-down New Horizons/Discovery books down our throats.
I was several grades ahead, and read the old curriculum books in the 2nd grade. when I went to reread them in the 6th grade, of course the books had all been "recycled" by the Deweyite book burners.
My uncle took me to the college library to check out a collegiate level book with the Roman Poets. Wow, was I surprised. The works for the grammar school had been sanitized for young minds to an MPAA G to PG13 for sex and an heavy PG-13/light R for violence. The college book was so baudy that my aunt decided to transcribe some of the poems for me. :D
From an excellent poem. We can never escape ourselves. Horace was not my favorite but far better than some of the ideologues in what passes for today's college texts. Too bad our grade-schoolers are no longer given the opportunity to learn for themselves.
Look forward to more
Ancient Rome and Greece were pretty perverted places at times
Narland
If America survives another century and we are fortunate enough to be given another Great Awakening, I wonder if the perversion and decadence of America's late 20th and early 21st Century America will be ignored by future generations like Germans do their own 1930's, be bemused like like the 1970s Soviets by their disastrous 1910s-1920s sexual engineering stupidity (very similar to what we are doing to ourselves today), or if we will remove the worst of it, fix what can, and keep the best of what survived, like we did the Ancients.
23rd Century Johnny, "Gee Wiz, Wally, for next semester's elective I am going to take Old American Literature with an emphasis on Jack Reacher, John Wick, and John McClane. They are pretty short reads, and it is amazing how they solved all their problems without killing anybody."
or
Designated learn-unit JNNY-555, "We bellyfeel wordgone. Wokefeel happytime next 10week. We nothavewords is good. Bigbrotherwork gooder. Bigbrother goodest."
*Bigbrother will probably be Sectionalitiest Sibling or the Wokest Among Equitables.
I think the real question when it comes to the next presidential election is actually: who will the Democrats put forward? Biden? It would be an un-democratic decision if the party did.
Narland, Auxorii
It looks like they're auditioning. Gavin Newsom is a petty enough dictator for them. I hope they pick him. He will be easy enough to beat. He gives off so much of a huckster vibe, that snake oil salesman look honest.
Old fogey note: That's what people who behaved like and preened like him used to do for a living before they discovered used car sales, ambulance chasing, and Johnson Amendment televangelism. It is sad that Californians' standards have dropped so low that they would actually elect him into political office. Governor moonbeam is a genius saint compared to him.
Miami Jai-Alai 3
The truth is that there is really no profane realm that could in any way be opposed to a sacred realm; there is only a "profane point of view", which is really none other than the point of view of ignorance.
René Guénon
I read the first part up to page 30. There are two pages missing in the scan. 2 of the Articles are written in mid 20th Century Proper American English, and one is Collegiate Standard English. The definitions are according to Webster's New World Dictionary and definitely (no pun intended) not Mirriam-Webster's Dictionary.
I agree with their understanding of what Americanism represents. I disagree some of the sentiments expressed by it. But it is a factually true snapshot of non-counterculture 1950s/1960s America. Everyone was free to speak their mind (if it was without bigotry or prejudice) whether one agreed with it or not -- you were still neighbors, brothers, and fellow humans. I would encourage scanning as much as you can for the interests of future generations.
With what is it that you are in disagreement?
I feel like Hillary will try and come back
Thanks for pointing out the missing scans. Im sure I skipped over them. Looking back at the PDF, Im fairly certain that I read those pages, and the article on property rights, but tossed the scans because I wasnt satisfied with them.
My principal disagreements tend to be not so much the general subject matter, and the opinions of the authors, but with how the opinions are presented. I am opposed to the authors stand against private schools, because while they mention that they are against public money going to religious schools, their stated mission for much of the last century was very much the opposition of the schools themselves and the enrollment of all American children into secular public schools. My knowledge of other issues of this publication, some of the history of the organization, I think this gives me a more wholesome understanding of what is being argued by some of these authors. When Kennedy was running against Nixon, for instance, the Sovereign Grand Commander made it very clear that he believed that any true member of the fraternity, and any American American would not vote for the Catholic Kennedy, who, because he was Catholic, had dual loyalties and would open up the door to a Papal takeover of the United States. He was condemned widely for this, but he certainly represented a decent enough portion of the fraternity in the South.
I have no issue whatsoever with religious schools, and religious institutions, so long as they remain private in funding (no taxpayer should be forced to support a religious institution), and voluntary. I have no issue with religious courts, be they Catholic, Jewish, or Muslim, and dont see any conflict with liberty if they can make decisions concerning the voluntary members of their organizations, and I dont see any reason why the American legal system cannot enforce the contractual agreements of these organizations and their members. I think it would be a boon to America if we relied more on private associations to regulate religious particulars like marriage, inheritance, sexuality, and speech, and dress, so long as these organizations are voluntary, and allow the rulings of these organizations to be enforced and protected by the American legal system, with exceptions only for capital punishment, which shouldnt be an option anyways.
Moreover, I find that the organization is too establishmentarian and too tied to the state.
Edit: at least as of the time of publication.
PS: This issue is more pronounced, even today, in other countries, however. In Brazil, Great Britain, Sweden, and France, for instance, the fraternity is incredibly tied to state, the elite, and status quo that it oftentimes finds itself running parallel to whatever political, nationalist, or economic ventures that are currently being pushed for, often to the detriment of the fundamental philosophy, and historical heritage of the society. In England, there hasnt been a non-Royal or non-Noble grandmaster over three centuries if I remember correctly, in Brazil, prior to Vargas, the fraternity was cooperating to some extent with progressive concepts, with its motto being Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, then adopting a strictly conservative stance with Vargas, with its motto being Order, Fraternity and Wisdom. in Sweden, the fraternity was so tied to the state and church, that many of its offices were reserved for state and church officials, and the state had awards reserved for members of the fraternity, the fraternity becoming a quasi-ministers of the kingdom. I wont touch France.
In the United States, its never been as connected to government, but its promotion of Americanism has at times come close to statism or establishmentarianism.
That is why I stressed the form of English, and whose dictionary they were probably using. Before the Cultural Revolution of the 60s (which profoundly destroyed the open forum of ideas in the US discourse), and the Marxist march through the institutions (which dumbed us down from being amiable critical thinkers, subverted our English, and divorced us from our heritage) America was a very different place that spoke a very different English.
Secular/Secularist did not mean unreligious.
The word secular for most Americans, and in Americana in general, did not mean unChristian or anti-Christian in the proper, and the standard sense. American Christians who are not ordained ministers, are secular (by virtue of not being ordained ministers) by definition -- even lay minsters. American Christians are Secularists in the general sense: The Church does churchy things and the state does statey things (there are various models of how this is carried out, such as 2 kingdom, theonomy, natural construction, etc.). But it did not mean the Marxist/Atheist sense of being completely divorced from all Theism, godly ethics, or Christian morality.
Non-Sectarian
Secular in some cases was roughly synonymous with non-sectarian (unless specifying otherwise). Non-Sectarian is that form of Christianity wherein it is recognized that Christ saves people through the preaching of the Gospel (catholicism with a little c), and not by a particular rite of exclusion that is beholden to an earthly ruler (Roman Catholicism with a big C) -- The church universal (living Christians corporately) is recognized by the three catholic confessions and the 5 solas. Constitutionally, this is the form of religion that Congress has historically supported and promoted until the Cultural Revolution.
Roman Catholicism in 1950s perspective
Non-sectarian public schools (reading the Bible, Bible lessons, and prayers in a non-Sectarian manner) is one of the main reasons why Roman Catholicism formed their own parochial schools and pulled their children from the expanding public school networks in the 1800s.
Politically the Papacy from the start of our nation would routinely side with RC nations over the US in foreign affairs. Before we were a World Power this was impactful.
The US broke off all diplomatic ties to the Vatican over the Lincoln Assassination. In the 1960s there would still be a majority of people alive whose parents or grandparents remembered that everyone involved in the Lincoln assassination were rogue Jesuits, their followers or family members. To Post War (WW2) Americans the inscrutable role played in WWII made the Vatican very suspect to American concepts of Liberty and Equality.
That, and Roman Catholicism declared Americanism a heresy in the 1800s. The RCC later backtracked and specified that they only anathematized a certain form of non-sectarianism belief, but the damage was done and most Americans took it to mean Americanism in general. Protestants were already anathematized until Pope John Paul II. Reagan reestablished diplomatic ties in the 1980s. As you know, they have their own similitude of the lodge system, the Knights of Columbus.
Schools Were Non-Sectarian in above sense not Anti-Christian Atheist (Marxist) sense
As previously mentioned Secular and Non-Sectarian did not mean that the Schools did not teach Christianity or the ethics of Jesus Christ. In public school we read the bible, prayed to God in Jesus name, and had bible classes like Old and New Testament Survey, Poetry of the Bible, and Ethics. From the time of our Founders, and before it was taught that Christian morality is American morality, just as Britain taught the Christian morality is British morality.
Our 5th grade Civics textbook cited historians, and British/American politicians that no nation can last that does not follow the 10 commandments. That to be truly be free and just it must also follow the ethics of Jesus Christ, and every citizen has the responsibility to follow the Golden Rule: Whatsoever ye that men should do to you, do even so to them. That is the meaning of Liberty and Equality under law.
Public Schools Originally
Schools constitutionally Means Land, Building, Physical Plant, and Maintenance to conduct education, not Administrators, Teachers, Students, and Pupils. Noah Webster, James Madison and others went out of their way to clarify this. In the more narrow sense it means the building itself.
Public means the the local citizens (the Public) own, control and run the schools (as defined above) in this State at the County and local corporate administration. Originally, the parents administrate the paideia, the pedagogy, and the curricula, not the State, not the Administrators, not the Teachers Unions.
We have not had public schools since the Fabian Socialist takeover of public education that turned them into Marxist amenable State Schools. This has varied by state and district. It happened to Chicago in the 1890s and finally got around to remote Idaho counties in the 1980s. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.
Those who are writing the articles sounds like they are living in an area of the country that had not yet been transformed, or had not realized the goal of Deweyized public education was to divorce the children from their heritage and culture. They are living under the assumption that the New Left had not already taken over. Hard to see as it was happening. Easy to see in hindsight. Sadly, my grandparents did not fully grasp what had happened until it was too late to do anything about it.
My brain is shutting down for the evening. I hope this clarifies some of the confusion regarding what they are discussing and what kind of America that it was they were living in. I envy those who can be succinct in these regards. Thanks for your patience. I will respond to other parts tomorrow.
I am not totally convinced the Catholics and the Church have been totally to blame for not being entirely on board with the political goals of Protestant countries historically. I think that Protestant histories tend to be very hagiographic when it comes to to their nations, leaders, and philosophers.
I am aware of the KoC, but the information I am running off of currently is that Church leadership is increasingly cutting back in the fraternal and ritualistic aspects of the group.
The person who put the place on Google maps where Biden fell off his bike as Brandon Falls is a genius
Narland
You do not have to be convinced, just aware of how deep the divide. :) Our Founding Fathers and the Forefathers roots stem from the Northern European's preponderant rejection body, soul, and spirit, of the development of Papal Roman Catholicism (in their reasoned opinion) as an institution that had insidiously co-opted the historic body of Christ. There was hardly anyone alive at the time who didn't have a family lineage that did not leave to America to escape religious wars, or religious persecution that in their opinion was started by Rome's rejection of catholic (little c) Christianity.
All of the Protestant Confessions, Creeds and Catechisms (~90% of US citizens in 1776) condemned Roman Catholicism as apostate, and that they were continuing the Ancient faith according to Scripture. Likewise at the time Rome considered non-Roman Catholics (even Greek Orthodox) apostate as well. Roman Catholics made up only 1.6% of the population when we became the US. The Great Awakening dramatically changing lives for the better was further convincement that Rome was apostate. Except in colonies specifically set up to allow Roman Catholics (Delaware for example) to live freely, they were untrusted unless they openly disavowed Papal political authority. Many would not.
Educational systems based on Classical and Early Modern models are very good at encouraging one in touch with the histories of one's family, kith, and kin. It can take a century or more for the hostilities expresses by parents to children to dissipate. One of Progressive Modern Education's stated goals is to divorce children from the knowledge of their parent's religion and heritage to make (knowingly or unknowingly) Secular Humanists who function as practical Atheists. They have been very successful at giving post-Cultural Revolution Americans perpetual short term amnesia regarding our language, heritage, and culture. Since the 1960s, we are very good at being practical Atheistis, even those of us who profess faith in Christ, to our detriment as Americans and to our shame as Christians.
As for being hagiographic, yep. :) I had to chuckle at that. For Protestant/Evangelical Christian nations (or in America's case a nation full of Christians coming out of the Reformation and the Theistic side of the Enlightenment (as distinctly opposed to the the Atheist side of the Enlightenment)), the purpose of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever with all life, libery, and pursuit of happiness that one can muster. Christians have failed in their attentiveness if they do not focus on truth, justice, and goodness wrought by God through the agency of man. When man does well by the grace of God it is worth recording for posterity. When man in and of his nature performs works of evil by the world, the flesh, or the devil that he prone to commit (and so would we all but for the grace of God), it is to be recorded as warning to the wise. Children are by definition unwise so it is routine to wait to teach them the worst of it until mid-teens and early 20s. Before then the pupillary challenge is to focus on the virtues of morality and education.
One of our local High Schools is run by KoC. They will probably continue to be simplified for quite some time. I do not think they will be disappeared. I can imagine that sometime in the far future people seeing it as a curious living relic like active cloistered monasteries/convents are for us today.
Any evidence for either of these claims?
WHAT IS THE ANSWER?
Alvin O. Smith, [***]
The New Age Magazine (June 1975) Vol. LXXXIII, No. 6
~~~~It has been said: The [*1*] is the University of [*2*]. The profound philosophy and the creed of the [*1*], combined with [*2*]'s principles of Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth, can play a very important part in finding the answer to the pressing problems of our day.
~~~~The foundations of our Nation were built by strength of character and dedication to principle as are found in [*2*]. Our forefathers had the right to thrill with pride because of their achievements. Today there is an urgent necessity for all of us to help shore up those foundations in every way we can.
~~~~The world yearns and cries out, emphatically yet pathetically, for a solution to the social and political problems before us. We dare not remain impotent, frustrated and fruitless in the face of the world's need. Edmund Burke, the great English statesman, rightly said: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for the good to do nothing.
~~~~We must admit that we are face to face with a moral and spiritual crisis in America, and we are depressed and frightened by the complacent and apathetic attitude of many. We must realize that a neutral mind cannot change our social structure for the better. We cannot afford to sit in the sidelines; we must get into the game of life.
~~~~But remember this: In each crisis the American people have faced, they have always closed ranks and overcome it. They have never given up. They have the ability to solve their problems. For two hundred years we have met head-on the challenges of our social order and, with concerted action, have turned them into opportunities for a better life.
~~~~It has been said, An optimist sees opportunities in problems and a pessimist sees problems in opportunities. There are such things as problems in progress, but they can be viewed as stepping-stones to greater effort, to a higher standard of life. They stimulate constructive minds to seek answers.
~~~~In seeking the right answers, it is vital that we use the proper methods. I am reminded of a woman who went down her cellar steps and saw a skunk below. She dashed upstairs and called the police for advice. The reply was, Just make a trail of bread crumbs from the basement to the yard, and wait for the skunk to follow it outside. Soon the distraught woman called back. I did what you told me, she said, and now I have two skunks in my cellar!"
~~~~So, let's be sure that we don't multiply our failures and difficulties by using the wrong methods. For your consideration, I submit:
~~~~The solution to our social problems lies within the recognition of the laws of the universe, the laws of God, and our obedience to them. We can solve any problem by conforming our lives to the eternal and immutable laws of God. What a thrill and an encouragement to know that the power of God can be tapped and used through His laws! Every good thing in this world is here by virtue of man discovering the laws of God and obeying them, and every bad thing by virtue of his disobedience. It is as if God were saying to us, I have arranged my universe so that you can accomplish anything if you will but obey my laws. The countless benefits that man has gained is testimony to that fact.
~~~~But, it is essential that we note that God rules and controls His universe by spiritual laws, which are just as automatically binding as physical and material laws. The tragic mistake man makes is that while he acknowledges the inexorable operation of God's laws in the physical and material realmssuch as the laws of science, physics and so onwhen it comes to His laws in the mental and spiritual realms, man either ignores them or acts as though it doesn't matter a great deal in life whether they are obeyed or not. He is unaware of how vital and practical they are, and that is the reason we are in such a social and political mess today.
~~~~Doesn't it seem strange that we have become so efficient and expert in technological power and yet have remained so backward in spiritual power? Because we have made extraordinary achievements along material lines, there is a tendency to seek all the answers in terms of science and technology. We have become so strong in material knowledge that we are sometimes tempted to wonder if we really need God, whether He hasn't become irrelevant and academic, without practical meaning. Is it possible that, before it is too late, we will face up to the truth that spiritual laws are fundamental and essential for successful living?
~~~~There are many spiritual laws in God's universethe law of faith, the law of truth, the law of mind, the law of infallible love, and many others. But there is one spiritual law that is a summary of all the others, given by the greatest Metaphysician the world has ever known: Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you. This is the eternal, infinite and all-inclusive spiritual law. It simply means that if we will make the spiritual laws of God the very center of our lives, then we will reap the abundant life and build the Kingdom of God on earth.
~~~~The will of God must come first. When this is so, our lives, become orderly. The things that are subordinate to His will begin to take their proper places.
~~~~Placing the will of God first is an immutable law. It is a cosmic law. It isn't something imposed upon us by some outside legislation. It is organized within us and expresses our very constitution. It should be the very essence of our lives, ingrained in our very souls.
~~~~There is a story about a minister playing golf who shot his ball into the rough. Suddenly a weasel ran out of his hole, picked up the ball and carried it in the direction of the cup. An eagle swooped down on the weasel, carrying it and the ball still closer to the cup. With a flash, a lightning bolt shot out of the sky, killed the eagle and the weasel, and the ball fell into the cup. The awed minister looked up and said, Please, God, I'd rather do it myself!
~~~~The point of this story is that we had better say to God: You have done your part. You have made it clear what Your will is, so please let me accept my responsibilities; don't let me checkmate myself by petty vanities and unworthy externalities.
~~~~Why is human nature so backward about making the will of God the central objective in life? Is it because of the love of money, the root of all evil?" Greed and profit seem to be the prevailing, motivating forces in the world. The primary concern today seems to be, What's in it for me?" How many generations must come and go before man gets away from the selfish greed which he has perpetuated for 6,000 years?
~~~~And this greed goes beyond individuals; it encompasses nations, as well. We celebrated an armistice on November 11, 1918 with wild, frenzied, hilarious victory celebrations. We had had the war to end all wars and permanent peace had come. Yet we have had countless wars since then. There have been 15,000 wars since the beginning of recorded history. The reason for this is that greedy nations, like greedy individuals, fight viciously for selfish advantage, out to get and take all they can. This is the technique that man has used for 6,000 years. It is the technique he has put ahead of the will of God and the spiritual laws of God, thus loosing a torrent of evils upon the world. Sixteen great civilizations, at least, have been dragged down to oblivion because they did not heed the spiritual laws of God. Our own Nation could suffer the same fate if it makes the same mistake.
~~~~Ancient wisdom has expressed it like this: The laws of God lead the willing and they drag the unwilling. But it is the difference of the life and death of civilizations whether they are led or dragged.
~~~~Timely word came from Skylab IlI as it soared through the heavens: We need to learn to live together in love and peace. How imperative that is!
~~~~Thank God for [*1*] [*2*]. It directs our minds and hearts to the great admonition: A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Love will make the will of God the central force in our lives, and then we will solve our pressing social problems.
The above post is an article from a magazine I have in my library. Ive replaced the names of two organizations and the terms associated with them because I dont think they are particularly necessary, and the article is more relevant without them.
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Asking for proof of known peculiarities from established Americana is rather surprising. I am not sure where you are coming from by asking -- if I am off track to your questions let me know. I hope these helps answer some of those:
>>>>>https://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/11/world/us-and-vatican-restore-full-ties-after-117-years.html
Note: I no longer maintain a subscription to the NYT since they became a subversive anti-American organization. I am of the opinion that The Fabulous Furry Freakbrothers comix are a more entertaining source of false information. But the URL title gets the idea across.
>>>>>https://www.the-american-interest.com/2013/02/02/americas-religious-divide/
"For its part, the Catholic Church didnt much like American democracy during much of our history. Pope Pius IX issued a famous encyclical that condemned as heretical ideas like religious freedom, the separation of church and state and the existence of secular public schools. The heresy of Americanism was condemned by Pope Leo XIII in 1899 out of the belief that American style individualism and skepticism about authority was infiltrating the American Catholic community. It wasnt until the Second Vatican Council that the Catholic Church formally endorsed the American understanding of religious freedom."
>>>>>https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/review-of-politics/article/abs/americanism-and-frontier-catholicism/517BB084DE53CCDF8E2D45683C41F578
McAvoy, T. (1943). Americanism and Frontier Catholicism. The Review of Politics, 5(3), 275-301. doi:10.1017/S003467050000245X
"One of the most confusing incidents in the history of Roman Catholicism in the United States is the condemnation of Americanism by Pope Leo XIII. In his apostolic letter, Testem Benevolentiae, of January 22, 1899, Pope Leo condemned ... methods of apologetics ... to the neglect of dogmatic teachings. These doctrines had acquired the name of Americanism ... partly as a result of a controversy ... in several European Catholic periodicals. The subsequent denials of most of the American prelates that the heretical Americanism ever existed in the United States, together with the counter-charges of certain conservative prelates and foreign-language groups, only add to the confusion of the historical account. The astute silence of most Catholic historians on the controversy for fear of reawakening the sharp animosities of the time has given rise to many misconceptions about the affair, even causing some suspicion that Pope Leo in some way condemned American national traits or even the loyalty of American Catholics to American political institutions."
>>>> Billington, Ray Allen, Tentative Bibliography of Anti-Catholic Propaganda in the United States (1800-1860), Catholic Historical Review 18, no. 4 (January 1933): 492513.Google Scholar
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I would recommend 3 books. The first two reflect the Cold War shift Of Protestants and Roman Catholics toward agreement with each other against the godless Atheism of Soviet Marxism that occured between WW2, and 1990s. Of course Americans (since the 1960s) raised as practical Atheists (even those who are "churched") aren't going to concerned with (and if they ideologically consistent with their public school education upbringing should be perturbed by) the sentiments of those for whom getting orthodoxy correct is a literal matter eternal life or eternal torment after death.
>>>>>Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences by Norman Geisler and Ralph MacKenzie
>>>>>Roman Catholicism: Evangelical Protestants Analyze What Divides and Unites Us. John Armstrong
The third is small but reflects the attitude and sentiment of Americans historically against the errors and abuses (in view of Protestantism) Roman Catholicsm, which is quite toned down from the sentiments routinely expressed from John Wycliffe till now.
>>>>>Fast Facts On Roman Catholicism by John Ankerberg, John Weldon
The decline of America is simply a reflection of the overall decline in Protestantism, and slowly, but more steadily, Catholicism and Christianity, Islam, Judaism, the Hindus, and even more slowly, Buddhism.
The Protestant world declines the quickest today as a direct result of its foundation: the rejection of tradition, authority, ritual and initiation, and its confidence in reducing everything to belief and the mind. The relativism of today is a natural child of the Protestant Solas, Utopian pretensions to the literal and absolute equality of primitive man. For all the evils, perversions, superstitions, and faults that might have arisen from Catholicism, there is not one which has caused such a swift and terrible retreat amongst Men back towards chaos, atheism, credulity, amorality, and infidelity as that unparalleled invention of Protestantism: Sola Fide, the insistence that simply believing ones belief to be right is enough to justify oneself before God and Man.
Auxorii
Some of these are typical conversations that one would find in a barber shop of the time period. Americans were good at small talk and table talk conversations that tended to drive Europeans of the same time period bonkers. TV gradually took place of our artful conversation.
Imho we went from being our own sources of broad interpersonal communication to couch potatoes with advertising jingles in our heads. You didn't have to agree with the person you were talking with, you just added your own opinion in such a way that the conversation went to a place where both agreed, or you talked about sex, politics, or religion that you could agree upon. If you didn't have even that in common one told an innocuous joke or two and talked about the weather. Imnsho most Americans today couldn't converse their way out of a wet paper bag. Never mix metaphors midstream, btw. :)
Some of it is from seeing God as the Architect of the Universe as they attempted to apply it in 20th Century America (some better than others). And some of it is quirky people being free to be quirky at a time quirky was acceptable. It is also the end of an era, when just 50 - 60 years before, everyone and their dog belonged to a benevolence society to government taking over the functions of societal welfare from them. I do not think they saw the Cultural Revolution for what it was -- the death knell of Americanism as the hope of the future.
I have to disagree. That is quite a broad brush considering the aim of Reformed Christianity is to conform oneself (semper reformata) to the ancient catholic, orthodox, and evangelical faith once and for all handed to the saints. There are libertines on and in all sides in all large enough groups, sects, and denominations. Antinomianism and the liberalisation of Christianity is a phenomena warned against, as is the opposite error of legalism. Each extreme is more successful in some areas and times than others.
My argument would be quite to the contrary. Relativism is a child of rejecting God's glory, His Christ, salvation by grace through faith, and living according to the Word. Sola Fide (as it was later encapsulated) was a response to the Vatican encouraging the purchase God's favor through money or works. The equivalent is modern day televangelist telling people that God will bless them if they send him/her their money.
Sola Fide is solely trusting in the work of Christ on the cross for our salvation in order to be justified by God, not by offering God our works, or our money to be justified. (John 3:16-17; Romans 4:21, 5:1; Ephesians 2:9) We are not saved by our good works, but God saves us for good works. (Ephesians 2:8-10). This is different from nuda fide, naked faith without any fruition of good works that follow (James 2:14-19).
What has screwed up mankind is mankind. Anywhere there is one person there is a problem. Anywhere there are more than two people, there are problems aplenty. God offers to save us from ourselves. He gives us a rule to live by. And gives us family, friends, and community to learn to love, serve, and to cherish each other and Him thereby. When done well there is Liberty (Leviticus 25:10; John 8:32, 2 Corinthians 3:17) when not done well or at all their is tyranny, misery, and a myriad of evils.
This is the second time I have requested an embassy exchange between Libertatem and Greater Miami Shores 3, I hope it will be accepted and not ignored again, but it is the their right to do so. I don't know who decides.
Narland, The United States Of Patriots
I apologize for getting off track. My intent was to explain the deep divide between the political institution of the Vatican state and American Christianity as expressed through Federal governance until the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s. It is one of the reasons Kennedy barely got elected. It is also the main reason why Roman Catholicism started their own school system in the 1800s alongside the public school system as its prayer, bible reading, and bible studies distinctly Non-Sectarian (anathema to the Vatican.)
I did not want to go into a defense of American popular culture. I am an archivist at heart, and any the preservation of what once was in an objective encapsulation was is worth defending. General Americana from before the cultural shift is one such thing, even when I do not agree with it.
I did want to point out that the purpose of American Education as envisioned by our Founding Fathers and middle Americans during the 1st political era, is to matriculate ethically upstanding and morally astute, mature and productive self-governing individuals who have learned godly self-contentment in a free society and open society freely engaging in life, liberty, and property (including the right to pursuit of happiness -- the right to own one's own selves as their own means of production, e.g., to start, operate, and engage their own business(es) unmolested from the state) in objective reality. And who were at the time were a predominately (Protestant -- work hard, play hard, die hard, keep your nose clean, and keep it out of other people's business) Christian people living with the political aim of Liberty and Equality.
The purpose of Progressive Modern Education started by Dewey (and the rational administrative state) in the fundamental transformation of the Public Schools during the 20th Century is to matriculate rebellious adults divorced from their language, heritage, and culture, conformable to practical Atheism, and amenable to rule by bureaucratic Socialism who are encouraged to go on the government dole (as a bureaucrat, academician, or public taxpayer monetary recipient), or if one must, to go out and get a job (as opposed to go out and make jobs), to further social malcontent in the name of Modernity, Education and Progress -- or whatever the current peer pressure buzzwords are -- diversity, wokeness, etc. They will then be ready for the revolutionary vanguard to come.
The purpose of Roman Catholic education is to matriculate good and faithful, mature and responsible Roman Catholics communicants who have a healthy respect for the peculiarities and distinctives of the Roman Catholic Rite, are content with their vocation, are ethically upstanding, and have a healthy disregard for political, religious, and ethical systems not approved by the Papacy.
Miami Jai-Alai 3
The fraternity in the US had seen its highest membership just a decade prior to printing. Since then it has been a steady decline, coupled with a rapid increase in the US population. Today, according to something I read, our numbers are around 800,000 unevenly distributed between the 51 mainline grand lodges, along with probably 100,000 (My own high estimate. Wikipedia claims 300,000, which is almost certainly false.) constituting the membership of the 41 legitimate and predominantly African grand lodges (These 41 do not publish statistics related to their numbers, for fear of pressure to merge into the mainline grand lodges). The GL of Iran in Exile also operates within the US, with an undoubtably tiny and shrinking membership. Some have claimed that the decline in membership is simply a return to natural levels from the previous boom, but this ignores the fact that the American population has only increased exponentially. My fraternity was not and is not, and has never been one of the Friendly Societies, but rather, something else. We do not engage in the insurance business (some grand lodges explicitly forbid it), and membership within the fraternity, and the payment of dues, does not translate into any amount of welfare, insurance, pension, or other such allotment, rather, support between members of the fraternity is governed by the individual obligations of the members. That said, we suffer the same, the only difference is that we probably do better (We've certainly survived better than the Woodmen, Oddfellows, Knights of Columbus, to name a few). I have no doubt that we will continue to exist and have an impact for at least another two centuries, but between now and then, many changes will take place, hopefully for the better.
Narland
No, this is not established Americana, it is just anti-Catholicisms that have persisted based off of nuggets of information without any actual knowledge of the subject.
First, youve said nothing to source your claim of everyone involved in the Lincoln assassination was a Jesuit, which is just a ridiculous claim at that, a claim that would only pass in a place that has absolutely no idea what a Jesuit is.
Also, if you read the NY Times article you sourced, youd see that relations between the U.S and the Vatican were none as a result of anti-Catholic sentiment from the U.S, not the other way around as you make it out to be: Establishment of full diplomatic ties with the Vatican was made possible by a move by Congress last year lifting a prohibition on diplomatic relations enacted in 1867. The original, a product of widespread anti-Roman Catholic sentiment and concern about the struggle for Italian unification, led to the withdrawal of the American minister to the Vatican, Rufus King.
As for the references to Testem benevolentiae nostrae written by Pope Leo XIII, this is not Americanism being declared a heresy - the letter is instead an informal, personal letter (that is, of no canonical consequence) from the Pope to an American Bishop where he doesnt even claim that what he sees as vices are even present in American society, he just claims that if they are or if American society allows them to appear, the hierarchy of the Church needs to address against them.
Ironically, what Pope Leo XIII was talking about is exactly what did happen in the eventual Vatican II Council.
Allow me to reference other scriptures, I would recommend for your reading that you read the books in their entirety, starting with the Book of James:
But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believeand tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:18-24
This is quite ironic as Reformed Christianity is the very thing that led millions away from that very faith you talk about. Reformed Christianity is the watered down faith - it goes contrary to all of the Church Fathers and the scriptures themselves.
Am Israel
A reminder that we threw away the Vaticans contribution to the Washington monument
based
I will respond where we left off in a week. I just lost two friends, one my best friend of twenty years and business partner. Be back soon.
Rateria
Thank you and Gracias.
Sorry for your losses. I and other Tatemites look forward to your return.
Narland, Auxorii, Rateria
René Guénons Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-Religion is just... awesome.
It goes without saying that Blavatsky herself was far from adopting a similar regime. While energetically recommending vegetarianism and even proclaiming it indispensable to spiritual development, she never adopted it herself, nor did Olcott; moreover she smoked almost continually from morning till night. Not everyone is equally amenable to suggestion, however, and it was probably when Mme Blavatsky was powerless to bring about hallucinations of sight and hearing that she had recourse to Mahatmas in muslin and her silver bell.
The attraction exercised by Mme Blavatsky is all the more astonishing in that her physical appearance was far from pleasant. W.T. Stead went so far as to say that she was hideously ugly-looking, monstrously obese, of crude and violent manners, a dreadful character, and a profane tongue; and again that she was cynical, mocking, absurd, and impassioned,in a word that she was everything that a hierophant of the divine mysteries must not be.
Theosophy is above all an instrument in the service of British imperialism. It must have been so from the beginning or near the beginning, for trustworthy witnesses have given assurance that during her stay in India Mme Blavatsky received a significant annual subvention (the figure of twelve thousand rupees has been suggested) from the English authorities. It seems that this was the price of certain services rendered against her country of origin...
Never knew that
By we I mean Americans.
The specific Americans were Nativists.
While the relationship was somewhat complex, examples like this are very common in American history, and only caused greater tensions between the Church and American society.
Auxorii
There was definitely a mistrust of catholics up until JFK
My grandparents got hit with anti Catholic discrimination till the 70s
Auxorii
Hopefully the GOP will do more than just bluster about the Mar-a-Lago raid but I have my doubts
Miami Jai-Alai 3
Sad, Bad.
Greetings Libertatem.
I had a bunch of stuff on the other comp before the move regarding the history of anti-roman catholic sentiment in the US. I think I was trying to relay why it was so important to them back then. When it gets here I will restart the convo if you like. Over the years I have become attached to Libertatem and NS. I really enjoy the interaction (as well as one can for online activity.)
I have gotten out livestock and produce, and have moved an idaho 'burb. If the economy starts to recover under Trump after 2024 from the 1970s tax and spenders. Until then, the wind is a bit out of my sails. I am crazy enough to give it another go in about 5 or 6 years.
Auxorii, Am Israel, Von Jhoram
A warning to the Christians against the foolish acceptance of wrong as in anyway equal to, or just as valid, or just as deserving, as good, and the current domination of those who reject the very existence or unknowability of Truth:
The Nazarene was asked, What is Truth? He did not ask the question.
How's everyone doing?
Narland, Miri Islands, Miami Jai-Alai 3
Grand, yourself?
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