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The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No you just make a law saying you can only have a certain amount of your production robotic. Unless, of course, you want everything to become automatic and put everyone on UBI

I prefer UBI to our broken welfare system

West Smolcasm

Bring back gladiators

Highway Eighty-Eight

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No you just make a law saying you can only have a certain amount of your production robotic. Unless, of course, you want everything to become automatic and put everyone on UBI

The latter would definitely be preferable to imposing limitations on what property a person could have, strangling businesses in regulations that inhibit their profit and innovation, and maintaining a bloated, bureaucratic mess that can't help but dole out welfare on an arbitrary basis no matter how much attention and funding the government gives it.

Automation combined with a universal basic income would finally free the populace from the rampant need for human labor without taking away an individual's ability to profit from it - people would be free to pursue whatever makes them happy, be it the accumulation of wealth or the pursuance of a hobby that might deepen humanity's cultural worth. Imagine free market capitalism that sagely adopts only the most acceptable aspects of socialism and wholeheartedly embraces the advancement of technology - humanity's potential for greatness in every field would rise to levels hitherto unimaginable.

West Smolcasm wrote:the accumulation of wealth

Me when the UBI check comes in: https://i.imgur.com/KM5JFS6.png

Today's featured region: The Internationale

*screeches*

Miencraft, Rateria

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:Today's featured region: The Internationale

*screeches*

Featured at... like... not being awesome

Likes to the left please

Rateria

West Smolcasm wrote:Featured at... like... not being awesome

Likes to the left please

They're on the right so I will not be liking this post.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Sniped through closed window with shades down from a distance of 4,000 meters by angery mods.

Guys there's an angry large man at my door he says his name is Misley wtf what do I do someone help

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:...What's the libertarian view of the work week and what do you think about shortening it?

It is immoral to interfere in any contractual obligation agreeable to all parties to their mutually beneficent satisfaction where no coercion or fraud is perpetrated in their transactions and exchange of goods and services rendered in the marketplace (including offering ones self for employment, or offering to employ someone.) If both parties (be it employer and employee; employer and contractor; or contractor and subcontractor) are benefiting and satisfied it is unjust and unbefitting good governance to impede their happiness and satisfaction. It is furthermore no one else’s business when I work, how many hours, or for what wage.

My personal druthers is to negotiate for my own salary wage and what benefits I may desire and reject those not. I by right should not be dependent upon nor beholden any a third party for negotiating my livelihood, unless I voluntarily contract a particular third party to do so. Having a third party force itself upon me by edict or stature is reprehensible.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No but it's still low. Also, whether they live with their parents is totally irrelevant to how much pay they should get

My inclination is to pay the kid who has left the house more for his initiative.

Pevvania wrote:Trump Admin is planning to block-grant Medicaid without Congress. I'd love to see it happen, but is that even legal?

lWhen since Dred Scott has what is lawful or legal stood in the way of any branch of the Federal Govt getting what it wanted? No, it is neither lawful nor legal, but it will probably be done anyway.

Skaveria wrote:mImI'm not arguing people's intrinsic worth is based on what they make. I'm referring to one's labor. Your labor is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, or whatever tou produce if you're working for yourself. I think this minimum-wage debate would go away if people had a little more self-awareness about what labor is worth. When I worked as a janitor, I can honestly say I wasn't worth 15$ an hour. I just wasn't. Fast food workers aren't worth 15$ an hour either. People overestimate the value of their own labor because it's THEIR labor. It's arrogant.

Sometimes its ignorance. The public schools certainly no longer teach how to go out and make jobs, and many do not even seem to teach how to use an entry level job as a springboard to better employment. Learning how much one’s labor is worth is a big part of self-discovery. Any kid who hasnt had at least one part-time job by the time they are 14 are not going to be as adept as those who have been taught to be enterprising teenagers.

Skaveria wrote:There's been a kind of a cultural understanding in the U.S that jobs that pay minimum wage are for college students and high schoolers. Most of them anyway.. It's usually the cultural expectation that you either go to school to learn to do something technical, or you get started in a trade, both of which pay well. The problem is that the trade jobs are disappearing and not everyone is capable of succeeding in college.

Take this for instance: The United States military will not take any applicant with an I.Q lower than 83. That's an organization with a strong motivation to take in as many people as possible and the resources to figure this out. They've come to the conclusion that with an I.Q lower than 83 there's not a single job in the military a person could do and it not be 100% counter-productive. Think about it, That's 10% of the population. There's 10% of the population that literally cannot sustain employment with even the most basic of jobs. The big question now is: What do we do with them? The Left's answer is , "Throw money at them." That won't work. People need a purpose, a calling, an identity. A career is a big part of that. Especially for men.

People best find themselves when they are given the tools to read, write/type, and think clearly and are allowed to be free to find happiness in what product or service they can provide to satisfy the needs of others in the marketplace as well educated mature individuals in a free society. People need to be left the hell alone from meddling “do-gooders” (especially statist “do-gooders”) who try to pigeon-hole people into an identity, purpose, and calling and then abuse them by misusing the state to drag down everyone’s standards of living so that no one can afford to take care of the less advantaged. That is the opposite of what being a free person in a free society is all about. Let the market free to find its equilibrium so that the mean average of the three quintiles can live an increasing prevailing wage, and the lowest quintile can be taken care of exceptionally well.

Miencraft, Rateria

Narland wrote:It is immoral to interfere in any contractual obligation agreeable to all parties to their mutually beneficent satisfaction where no coercion or fraud is perpetrated in their transactions and exchange of goods and services rendered in the marketplace (including offering ones self for employment, or offering to employ someone.) If both parties (be it employer and employee; employer and contractor; or contractor and subcontractor) are benefiting and satisfied it is unjust and unbefitting good governance to impede their happiness and satisfaction. It is furthermore no one else’s business when I work, how many hours, or for what wage.

Thanks for keeping it simple ;) The situation is that the unions are demanding it in their negotiations with employers, I'm not sure if it would go into law

Rateria

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Thanks for keeping it simple ;) The situation is that the unions are demanding it in their negotiations with employers, I'm not sure if it would go into law

Btw, I'm not anti-union, unions have freedom of association as well. Using collective bargaining isn't violating anyone's rights.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:What pisses me off is when you are forced to join a union.

I hate teachers unions.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Hey, I live in Wisconsin. I grew up learning about those.

Got quite a few days off of school.

what was it that you were taught?

NS logic:

don't nationally fund sports teams.

Crime increases and your weather gets destroyed

Miencraft, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:what was it that you were taught?

Sounds like a joke about strikes, but I'm not sure.

The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order, Highway Eighty-Eight

Well I'm back again

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

And on the seventh day he rose again.

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Highway Eight wrote:And on the seventh day he rose again.

And on the seventh day Condy rose again to grant us our peace back, BTW anyone wanna fill me in on what happened???

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Zo what has become of that commendation repeal so far?

Highway Eight wrote:And on the seventh day he rose again.

Holy crap. I thought a nation deleted by the moderators was doomed never to return.

How did you do that?

Rateria

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:And on the seventh day Condy rose again to grant us our peace back, BTW anyone wanna fill me in on what happened???

Our guardian angel returned to grant us salvation from the Red Fleet.

West Smolcasm wrote:Holy crap. I thought a nation deleted by the moderators was doomed never to return.

How did you do that?

Weed

Rateria

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I like how Rateria literally likes everything lol

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eighty-Eight

The States Of Balloon wrote:Zo what has become of that commendation repeal so far?

I don't think anyone has worked on it so far.

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The Completly Oppressive States wrote:I like how Rateria literally likes everything lol

Methinks the "likes" are used as a placeholder to mark what has been read. Early on it was encouraging to post something and think, "Well that wasn't the best way to phrase that post, but at least Rateria 'liked' it." Later, the thoughts were "Hey, at least someone in Libertatem is friendly and at least reading the message board."

Then, "Wait, a minute... what I posted was an incoherent jumble yesterday, but Rateria "liked" it. Is Rateria like Mikey who likes Life (tm) breakfast cereal <70s pop culture reference>)? Then Narland posts something anomalously ambiguous and Rateria "likes" it.

Narland posts something ridiculous (of course Narland does this often) but this time deliberately, yet Rateria "likes" it. Narland thinks to himself, "Self, you should type something uncharacteristically morally offensive (to be later deleted)." And Rateria was silent.

So then Rateria seems use "like" as a placeholder for civil discourse, but not for uncouth vulgarity (in the proper sense). But it never occured to Narland to ask Rateria himself. Perhaps I should.

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:I like how Rateria literally likes everything lol

real n*bba hours only

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

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Pevvania wrote:real n*bba hours only

WHO TF UP RN

The New United States, Rateria

Narland wrote:Methinks the "likes" are used as a placeholder to mark what has been read. Early on it was encouraging to post something and think, "Well that wasn't the best way to phrase that post, but at least Rateria 'liked' it." Later, the thoughts were "Hey, at least someone in Libertatem is friendly and at least reading the message board."

Then, "Wait, a minute... what I posted was an incoherent jumble yesterday, but Rateria "liked" it.

As hard as it might be to believe, I don’t exactly hit “like” on everything I read, but I see why you thought of that. I’ll admit it, sometimes I have to look up several of the words that you use in your posts.

Narland wrote:

Then, "Wait, a minute... what I posted was an incoherent jumble yesterday, but Rateria "liked" it. Is Rateria like Mikey who likes Life (tm) breakfast cereal <70s pop culture reference>)? Then Narland posts something anomalously ambiguous and Rateria "likes" it.

I actually get this reference. I thank my dad for that.

Narland wrote:

Narland posts something ridiculous (of course Narland does this often) but this time deliberately, yet Rateria "likes" it. Narland thinks to himself, "Self, you should type something uncharacteristically morally offensive (to be later deleted)." And Rateria was silent.

So then Rateria seems use "like" as a placeholder for civil discourse, but not for uncouth vulgarity (in the proper sense). But it never occured to Narland to ask Rateria himself. Perhaps I should.

For the post you deemed offensive, I probably didn’t see that one. I probably may not have agreed with it anyway. I remember that you sent me a TG about this. I didn’t expect it, as I read this post afterword. I like talking to the people here and reading what they have to say. I try to be friendly to people.

As for the liking thing, I guess I’m a meme now.

Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Skaveria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eighty-Eight

Rateria wrote:As for the liking thing, I guess I’m a meme now.

Wow, this is so sad. Can we get 50 likes?

Pevvania, Narland, The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, West Smolcasm, Highway Eighty-Eight

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I have a competition for y'all:

Whoever can come up with the best mission statement for Libertatem gets a knighthood.

"Libertatem is an EPIC community of ABSOLUTE MADLADS and WHAMEN-RESPECTING CHADS dedicated to owning LIBTARDS with FACTS and LOGIC."

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I'm your messiah, who died for your memes. Bow down and worship me.

OH NO YOU DI'NT

also note,

y'all really gonna adopt anarchy after I stop being active??

TRIGGERED.

Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eighty-Eight

Post self-deleted by Muh Roads.

"Citizens no longer take selfies with their dead relatives at funerals." Sometimes I have no words for this game.

Narland, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

The Completly Oppressive States wrote:"Citizens no longer take selfies with their dead relatives at funerals." Sometimes I have no words for this game.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/80/b6/6780b6a2aa56ffef7f906ec48b5272ad.jpg

Narland, The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I have a competition for y'all:

Whoever can come up with the best mission statement for Libertatem gets a knighthood.

"Down with knighthood!"

Highway Eighty-Eight

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I have a competition for y'all:

Whoever can come up with the best mission statement for Libertatem gets a knighthood.

"weed."

Miencraft, Highway Eighty-Eight

Rateria wrote:guess I’m a meme now.

https://i.imgur.com/5qtraoN.png

Miencraft, Rateria

When you completely disregard the desires of your citizens and enforce your will on them through backfire methods but it's okay because they're wrong

West Smolcasm

Jadentopian Order wrote:https://i.imgur.com/5qtraoN.png

I’m proud of you.

Jadentopian Order, Highway Eighty-Eight

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I have a competition for y'all:

Whoever can come up with the best mission statement for Libertatem gets a knighthood.

Anything but "In Roads We Trust" is blasphemy.

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-palin-ocasio-cortez-face-off-in-lowest-scoring-celebrity-jeopardy-episode-in-history

I thank TNUS once again for introducing me to this publication.

The New United States

Under the history of Libertatem and "things we still need" it lists roads...

yeah. whatever guys. who is gonna build those?

Muh Roads wrote:Under the history of Libertatem and "things we still need" it lists roads...

yeah. whatever guys. who is gonna build those?

One of my personal pet peeves... if you need a road, just build the damn thing. If you do not need one leave the ones that are there the hell alone. If you cannot build a road get the freak out of the way and let those of us who know how do so. Don't freaking pass ordinances and statutes inhibiting those us who need and use roads from doing what comes naturally in the pursuit of improving the right of way in commerce, trade, business and leisure. One of the most basic of human human conditions lost in the quagmire of statist/socialist incompetence.... grrrrr... ***Narland notices that a ice cold beverage has been placed in front of him to presumably stop the furious clacking of keyboard....***

Narland wrote:One of my personal pet peeves... if you need a road, just build the damn thing. If you do not need one leave the ones that are there the hell alone. If you cannot build a road get the freak out of the way and let those of us who know how do so. Don't freaking pass ordinances and statutes inhibiting those us who need and use roads from doing what comes naturally in the pursuit of improving the right of way in commerce, trade, business and leisure. One of the most basic of human human conditions lost in the quagmire of statist/socialist incompetence.... grrrrr... ***Narland notices that a ice cold beverage has been placed in front of him to presumably stop the furious clacking of keyboard....***

https://pics.me.me/when-you-finishing-explaining-who-will-build-the-roads-and-10398720.png

Narland

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1154741

This is what we need.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Muh Roads wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1154741

This is what we need.

At long last. The perfect government

Miencraft, Muh Roads, Rateria, West Smolcasm

The United States Of Patriots wrote:At long last. The perfect government

This is the ideal government. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

Narland, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, West Smolcasm

I love how only now, after two years, is there a "scandal" over the anti-semitism present within the leadership of the Women's March. The hatred for Jews and white people that its leaders harbor was always pretty clear; why only now are people pretending to be outraged? They featured literal terrorists and convicted murderers to speak in DC!

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I love how only now, after two years, is there a "scandal" over the anti-semitism present within the leadership of the Women's March. The hatred for Jews and white people that its leaders harbor was always pretty clear; why only now are people pretending to be outraged? They featured literal terrorists and convicted murderers to speak in DC!

To the left, Jews are only a minority when they're attacked by white supremacists. When they're targeted by Muslim extremists they're just white people.

Honestly I've never understood why Jews are considered a separate ethnicity in the first place. From my very limited knowledge on the topic. A wide range of people have Semitic blood, from a dark skinned Israeli to a pasty Eastern European. There's even an African tribe that claimed ethnic jewish heritage if I'm not mistaken.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:To the left, Jews are only a minority when they're attacked by white supremacists. When they're targeted by Muslim extremists they're just white people.

Honestly I've never understood why Jews are considered a separate ethnicity in the first place. From my very limited knowledge on the topic. A wide range of people have Semitic blood, from a dark skinned Israeli to a pasty Eastern European. There's even an African tribe that claimed ethnic jewish heritage if I'm not mistaken.

Even in that case, there's a growing number of young/"progressive" leftists who would rather turn a blind eye. Hostility to Judaism has always had appeal on the fringes of the left, and now I fear that's been given a much bigger platform after the midterm elections sent avowed BDS advocates to Congress. History has shown that the far left and the so-called far right often share common cause in persecution of the Jewish people, whom they deride as unscrupulous capitalists trying to undermine the state. The main difference between Hitler's and Stalin's treatment of them was a matter of intensity.

I know very little about race or ethnicity in general, but that's interesting. Yes, I think that tribe is based in Ethiopia if I recall correctly.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

The States Of Balloon wrote:When you completely disregard the desires of your citizens and enforce your will on them through backfire methods but it's okay because they're wrong

That would be every issue ever

Pevvania wrote:I love how only now, after two years, is there a "scandal" over the anti-semitism present within the leadership of the Women's March. The hatred for Jews and white people that its leaders harbor was always pretty clear; why only now are people pretending to be outraged? They featured literal terrorists and convicted murderers to speak in DC!

In America you can't be racist against white people, whites are, evidently, immune.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria

I'll vote yes if it's changed to the council of weed

Miencraft, Highway Eighty-Eight

Skaveria wrote:To the left, Jews are only a minority when they're attacked by white supremacists. When they're targeted by Muslim extremists they're just white people.

Honestly I've never understood why Jews are considered a separate ethnicity in the first place. From my very limited knowledge on the topic. A wide range of people have Semitic blood, from a dark skinned Israeli to a pasty Eastern European. There's even an African tribe that claimed ethnic jewish heritage if I'm not mistaken.

One of the oldest converts to Judaism by 800 bc was the Ethiopian nation. One of Moses' wives was Ethiopian. In the Torah God struck Miriam (Moses sister) with leprosy for complaining about it. Ethiopia was also an early adopter of Christianity. When the Communists took over in the 1980s many Jews and Christians were persecuted and killed. Israel immigrated as many Jews as they could into their country to save them from Marxist starvation. Jews can be from any ethnicity because of conversion, but the main genetic stock is still strongly Semitic.

I never really understood it as a kid when my grandfather would say that the White Race was a political fiction propagated by demagogues to control weak minds. Now that I am older it has become rather obvious. When anthropology was in its infancy, humanity was divide by "scientists" into Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid (some added Australoid), it based on bone structure and skeletal proportions. Skin color was ancillary. Technically Caucasian ranges from dark black (in India and Bangladesh) to pasty white (Northern European). There is no such thing naturally as the White Race. It is a political fiction and a lie. German Tribes are not Celts are not Romantics are not Slavs are not... ad naseum

Rateria

My (incomplete, experimental) attempt at a Constitution:

[spoiler=Constitution of Libertatem, Proposal, Rough Draft]

Preamble

We, the nations of Libertatem, in order to reap the practical benefits of statehood while retaining our cohesion and liberty to as great a degree as is feasible, do ordain and establish this Constitution of Libertatem.

Article I

The Rights of Resident Nations

Section 1

The powers and rights not delegated to Libertatem by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the nations residing in Libertatem, are reserved to the nations residing in Libertatem respectively.

Section 2

All nations neither condemned by nor ejected from Libertatem reserve the right to residency in Libertatem.

Section 3

All nations not condemned by Libertatem reserve the freedoms of speech, expression, the press, peaceable assembly, and the exercise of religion or creed, on any forum within the jurisdiction of Libertatem (e.g. Libertatem's Regional Message Board) provided that the constraints imposed by the host thereof (e.g. the NationStates Terms & Conditions) are adhered to.

Article II

The Executive Authority

Section 1

The Founder of Libertatem reserves the sole right to and distinct responsibility of Executive authority, through which they appoint, dismiss, and set the authority of Officers.

Section 2

The individuals who may access the Founder reserve the right to determine who may be among them, and cannot be compelled by any outside party to grant or deny this access. These individuals, and these individuals alone, are responsible for the use and stewardship of the Founder.

Section 3

Individuals who possess a similar executive or administrative authority on any forum within the jurisdiction of Libertatem likewise reserve the right to determine who may be among them, and cannot be compelled to grant or deny this access except by mandate of the Founder.

Article III

The Officers

Section 1

The individuals who may access the Founder reserve the right to appoint or dismiss their own nations as Officers, unless doing so would leave insufficient room for the Officer positions to follow.

Section 2

The Founder must also appoint nations to the following positions: The Manager of Military Affairs, the Manager of Internal Affairs, and the Manager of the State. The Founder reserves the right to dismiss nations from these positions and make new appointments unless overruled by the Board.

Section 3

The Manager of Military Affairs advises the Founder and the Board on matters of regional security and defense, and is granted the Border Control and Communications authorities at the discretion of the Founder.

Section 4

The Manager of Internal Affairs advises the Founder and the Board on matters of regional administration and recruitment, and is granted the Appearance and Communications authorities at the discretion of the Founder.

Section 5

The Manager of the State advises the Founder and the Board on matters of interregional relations and diplomacy, and is granted the Communications and Embassies authorities at the discretion of the Founder.

Section 6

Regardless of the nature of their appointment, Officers are obliged to use their authorities in a timely manner to enforce decisions made by the Board.

Article IV

The Board

Section 1

All nations who are in the World Assembly, are not currently condemned by Libertatem, and have resided in Libertatem for at least three consecutive days reserve the right to join the Board, which makes legislative and executive decisions on behalf of Libertatem.

Section 2

The Board reserves the right to appoint a Chairman from among themselves by any means they see fit, provided that those means are approved of by more than 50% of all Board members.

Section 3

The Chairman of the Board is granted the Appearance, Border Control, Communications, Embassies, and Polls authorities at the discretion of the Founder. The Founder reserves the right to revert this position and its authorities to a previous Chairman unless overruled by the Board.

Section 4

A Board member may bring a decision to poll with the support of at least three other Board members or the Chairman of the Board. Regardless of the nature of the decision, the poll lasts for two days, is announced to all Board members when it starts, and only the votes of nations who were members of the Board when the poll started and remained so until it ended are counted.

Section 5

Alterations, dispatch pins, and dispatch unpins may be made to the World Factbook Entry and embassy requests may be approved, rejected, or sent without the need for a formal poll provided that a Board member does not disapprove of the proposed course of action.

Section 6

Simple legislative addenda, as well as decisions involving appearance, communications, embassies, and recruitment, may be passed with the approval of more than 50% of voting Board members.

Section 7

The Board may condemn a nation - restricting their rights to residency and the use of forums under Libertatem's jurisdiction as the Board sees fit - or remove a nation from the Board, declare war, or declare peace with the approval of more than 75% of voting Board members.

Section 8

The Board may overrule an appointment or dismissal made by the Founder, or decide upon how they will appoint their next Chairman, with the approval of more than 50% of all Board members.

Section 9

The Board may amend the Constitution with the approval of more than 75% of all Board members, as well as that of the Founder.

Article V

Ratification

I Have No Freaking Idea

I don't think I added everything a Constitution needs anyway, and some of the things I did add are questionable[/spoiler]

Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Jadentopian Order wrote:I'll vote yes if it's changed to the council of weed

dude weeeeeeeeee

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I mean in the election

As far as I can tell, it’s a joke option.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I mean in the election

Miencraft wrote:I mean, considering "Weed" is obviously the meme option, there ain't anything stopping anyone from just ignoring all votes for weed.

Hell, even if it were yes v. no and no won, ain't nothing really stopping anyone from making a government anyways.

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New Poll in Zentari!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=135957

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Look at Anarchy's message board. 'pparently we are fascist puppet region, and not a once major Libertarian region.

East Angria Wild Lovers

You can only be bashed for being fash if you are actually fascist.

Some people don't appreciate good comedy. Parody is a dying art these days.

Rateria

Still, this is something of a wake-up call. This region used to be the scourge of authoritarianism on NationStates, but now residents of a region dedicated to the absence of government refuse to establish embassies with us because they mistakenly believe that Libertatem is merely a protectorate of some conservative or fascist region somewhere. There has been no public outcry in regards to TRF's attempted annexation of this historic community because the world has forgotten who we are and felt it safe to assume that we were Nazis or some other acceptable targets.

It seems wrong to let the seat of NationStates' (short-lived) first and only libertarian empire, the founding member of a fearsome anti-communist military organization, the benefactor to numerous anti-statist communities, fade into obscurity just because most of its conquests, protectorates, and former allies have. Do you not cherish this legacy? If we reform and reorganize, we may yet be able to enter a new golden age and remind NationStates of what Libertatem is really about.

Please give me feedback on this proposal:

West Smolcasm wrote:My (incomplete, experimental) attempt at a Constitution:

[spoiler=Constitution of Libertatem, Proposal, Rough Draft]

Preamble

We, the nations of Libertatem, in order to reap the practical benefits of statehood while retaining our cohesion and liberty to as great a degree as is feasible, do ordain and establish this Constitution of Libertatem.

Article I

The Rights of Resident Nations

Section 1

The powers and rights not delegated to Libertatem by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the nations residing in Libertatem, are reserved to the nations residing in Libertatem respectively.

Section 2

All nations neither condemned by nor ejected from Libertatem reserve the right to residency in Libertatem.

Section 3

All nations not condemned by Libertatem reserve the freedoms of speech, expression, the press, peaceable assembly, and the exercise of religion or creed, on any forum within the jurisdiction of Libertatem (e.g. Libertatem's Regional Message Board) provided that the constraints imposed by the host thereof (e.g. the NationStates Terms & Conditions) are adhered to.

Article II

The Executive Authority

Section 1

The Founder of Libertatem reserves the sole right to and distinct responsibility of Executive authority, through which they appoint, dismiss, and set the authority of Officers.

Section 2

The individuals who may access the Founder reserve the right to determine who may be among them, and cannot be compelled by any outside party to grant or deny this access. These individuals, and these individuals alone, are responsible for the use and stewardship of the Founder.

Section 3

Individuals who possess a similar executive or administrative authority on any forum within the jurisdiction of Libertatem likewise reserve the right to determine who may be among them, and cannot be compelled to grant or deny this access except by mandate of the Founder.

Article III

The Officers

Section 1

The individuals who may access the Founder reserve the right to appoint or dismiss their own nations as Officers, unless doing so would leave insufficient room for the Officer positions to follow.

Section 2

The Founder must also appoint nations to the following positions: The Manager of Military Affairs, the Manager of Internal Affairs, and the Manager of the State. The Founder reserves the right to dismiss nations from these positions and make new appointments unless overruled by the Board.

Section 3

The Manager of Military Affairs advises the Founder and the Board on matters of regional security and defense, and is granted the Border Control and Communications authorities at the discretion of the Founder.

Section 4

The Manager of Internal Affairs advises the Founder and the Board on matters of regional administration and recruitment, and is granted the Appearance and Communications authorities at the discretion of the Founder.

Section 5

The Manager of the State advises the Founder and the Board on matters of interregional relations and diplomacy, and is granted the Communications and Embassies authorities at the discretion of the Founder.

Section 6

Regardless of the nature of their appointment, Officers are obliged to use their authorities in a timely manner to enforce decisions made by the Board.

Article IV

The Board

Section 1

All nations who are in the World Assembly, are not currently condemned by Libertatem, and have resided in Libertatem for at least three consecutive days reserve the right to join the Board, which makes legislative and executive decisions on behalf of Libertatem.

Section 2

The Board reserves the right to appoint a Chairman from among themselves by any means they see fit, provided that those means are approved of by more than 50% of all Board members.

Section 3

The Chairman of the Board is granted the Appearance, Border Control, Communications, Embassies, and Polls authorities at the discretion of the Founder. The Founder reserves the right to revert this position and its authorities to a previous Chairman unless overruled by the Board.

Section 4

A Board member may bring a decision to poll with the support of at least three other Board members or the Chairman of the Board. Regardless of the nature of the decision, the poll lasts for two days, is announced to all Board members when it starts, and only the votes of nations who were members of the Board when the poll started and remained so until it ended are counted.

Section 5

Alterations, dispatch pins, and dispatch unpins may be made to the World Factbook Entry and embassy requests may be approved, rejected, or sent without the need for a formal poll provided that a Board member does not disapprove of the proposed course of action.

Section 6

Simple legislative addenda, as well as decisions involving appearance, communications, embassies, and recruitment, may be passed with the approval of more than 50% of voting Board members.

Section 7

The Board may condemn a nation - restricting their rights to residency and the use of forums under Libertatem's jurisdiction as the Board sees fit - or remove a nation from the Board, declare war, or declare peace with the approval of more than 75% of voting Board members.

Section 8

The Board may overrule an appointment or dismissal made by the Founder, or decide upon how they will appoint their next Chairman, with the approval of more than 50% of all Board members.

Section 9

The Board may amend the Constitution with the approval of more than 75% of all Board members, as well as that of the Founder.

Article V

Ratification

I Have No Freaking Idea

I don't think I added everything a Constitution needs anyway, and some of the things I did add are questionable[/spoiler]

Pevvania, The New United States, New Tampa, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

I barely pay attention to this region anymore but still check th discord every few days.

I see some talk of establishing a new government and that weve become kinda inactive and ill just say that before the 'Anarchy' was established i myself was more active on site and discord.

Afterwards with the memes, abolishing of the senate and military etc there just was nothing to do here anymore and it became boring, bland and annoying.

Pevvania, The New United States, West Smolcasm

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Someone link them to the history of Libertatem factbook

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

we did it boys

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

what is wrong with you people

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Regarding the proposed constitution up for vote, while I appreciate Highway's work on it, I don't think that the answer is simply to codify the current "Council of Elders" system. Without elections, the Council of Elders will not be accountable to the region and there won't be any way for people to get involved in the government.

I do like how simple and concise your constitution is, but I can't support it without some changes to government.

West Smolcasm wrote:Please give me feedback on this proposal:

Just a couple thoughts:

1) I think that we should keep government as lean as possible to start, and mandating too many offices than can be reasonably filled (given how many active members there are) could be detrimental. Therefore, I'd suggest that creating and filling ministry positions should be left to the discretion of the President, instead of mandated by the Constitution. (ie scrap section 3 article 3)

2) A small, active, elected board would be more effective than an open one of indeterminate size. I'd say that a board of 3 members, elected every month or so, would be the best way of organizing it.

I just did a quick scan of it, but those are the things that jumped out to me the most.

Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, West Smolcasm, Highway Eighty-Eight

The New United States wrote:Just a couple thoughts:

1) I think that we should keep government as lean as possible to start, and mandating too many offices than can be reasonably filled (given how many active members there are) could be detrimental. Therefore, I'd suggest that creating and filling ministry positions should be left to the discretion of the President, instead of mandated by the Constitution. (ie scrap section 3 article 3)

2) A small, active, elected board would be more effective than an open one of indeterminate size. I'd say that a board of 3 members, elected every month or so, would be the best way of organizing it.

I just did a quick scan of it, but those are the things that jumped out to me the most.

So basically, switch the indeterminate/fixed natures of the Managers and the Board? I can get behind that.

...say, what's a President?

The New United States, Rateria

What's with the An-Com's obsession with the elimination of currency? Currency is literally what makes advanced economies even possible. We all as a society agree that some thing has value, that way we don't have to have the EXACT number of chickens it takes to buy a cow. Do they really suggest we go back to bartering? It doesn't even make sense from their perspective. Currency is only worth anything because the people agree that it is. If even just 20, hell, just 10% of the population said "Screw your fancy paper" the entire economy would grind to a halt. But then... That's the point isn't it? They don't care about poor people, as long as they get to line porky against the wall and shoot him in the back of the head.

The New United States, Republic Of Minerva

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Highway Eighty-Eight

Skaveria wrote:What's with the An-Com's obsession with the elimination of currency? Currency is literally what makes advanced economies even possible. We all as a society agree that some thing has value, that way we don't have to have the EXACT number of chickens it takes to buy a cow. Do they really suggest we go back to bartering? It doesn't even make sense from their perspective. Currency is only worth anything because the people agree that it is. If even just 20, hell, just 10% of the population said "Screw your fancy paper" the entire economy would grind to a halt. But then... That's the point isn't it? They don't care about poor people, as long as they get to line porky against the wall and shoot him in the back of the head.

Indeed. We should really be aiming for the opposite: a plurality of currencies, instead of state back fiat.

Narland, The New United States, Rateria

We could just have a board of 3 or so people in staggered election. And perhaps the balance of power would be a citizen veto

The New United States, West Smolcasm

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:How about a system of Triumvirs. Rome-ish.

Staggered elections. Together serving as legislature and cabinet. Some form of citizen veto, as proposed by patriots.

That might work. Would we still call it "The Board," or...?

The New United States

The United States Of Patriots wrote:We could just have a board of 3 or so people in staggered election. And perhaps the balance of power would be a citizen veto

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:How about a system of Triumvirs. Rome-ish.

Staggered elections. Together serving as legislature and cabinet. Some form of citizen veto, as proposed by patriots.

I like both of these ideas a lot.

West Smolcasm

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"Grand Awesome Heavenly Council of Libertatem, Territories, and the Universe"...

"The Great Infallible Council of the Immortal Master-Lords of the Libertatem Multiverse"

Muh Roads, Highway Eighty-Eight

Miencraft wrote:"The Great Infallible Council of the Immortal Master-Lords of the Libertatem Multiverse"

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Well, we could call officers and institutions whatever, but just as an example, if we were to use the title "triumvir" for an officer, it'd make sense to call it "the triumvirate". Director->Directorate, Senator->Senate, Consul->Consulate, Councillor->Council, or any other manner of names. I prefer "Grand Awesome Heavenly Council of Libertatem, Territories, and the Universe"...

Both of these sound like a theocracy of some sort... Deus Vult!

West Smolcasm wrote:Some people don't appreciate good comedy. Parody is a dying art these days.

Even if you are fash, you don't deserve to be bashed unless you're about to bash someone yourself. So they're wrong in multiple ways.

1. Fascists can be bashed literally for only they're political opinions.

2. Call anyone right of Trotsky a Fascist.

3. If they deny being a Fascist, that's just more evidence of their fascism.

One of my biggest annoyances when debating with lefties is they're insistence on turning perfectly innocuous statements and making them evidence against you. Like when Tomi Lahren went on the daily show and said, "I don't see color." and the audience laughed. Well what do you think she means by that? She obviously means she treates people the same regardless of race, but you've twisted it and stretched the logic so far that now to say, "I don't see color?" Is to erase the existence of minority groups.

Oh, and another thing. What's with this completely over the top, hyperbolic language. I constantly hear claims of erasing people's existance or denying someone's humanity. It's not that serious guys. Even the most hardcore conservative who thinks transgenderism is a mental illness knows they're people and wouldn't want them round up and shot. It's the constant acting like you're being genocided while also being annoying and condescending to the rest of us that was the perfect combination of ignorance and arrogance that propelled Trump to the white house. People say Trump didn't win the election, Hillary lost the election, but I disagree. I didn't want some milktoast Republican who was gonna pander to them while they call him a dictator like they did Bush for 8 years. Trump is a personified middle finger from the middle of the country to the soft-necked, twead-wearing, ironically bourgeoisie, socialist, college students who look down their noses at anyone who drives a truck to work and eats fast food. They don't like the poor, the poor are conservative, they just use the poor to justify their hatred for the rich, which is just jealousy.

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Skaveria wrote:Trump is a personified middle finger from the middle of the country to the soft-necked, twead-wearing, ironically bourgeoisie, socialist, college students who look down their noses at anyone who drives a truck to work and eats fast food. They don't like the poor, the poor are conservative, they just use the poor to justify their hatred for the rich, which is just jealousy.

The issue is that Trump and the GOP represent the rich. They do whatever they can to make the rich richer (and consequently, the poor poorer). And some working class people vote for them just to give the middle finger to... who, exactly? Anyone with a college degree? Anyone who doesn't eat fast food? Anyone who drives a sedan instead of a truck?

Voting for someone who will make your life worse, for no other reasons than jealousy and spite, makes you look like an idiot. So I can understand those liberals who look down on the people who do that. Many conservatives also look down on the people who do that.

West Smolcasm

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