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Region: Libertatem
The fact that it is a differing viewpoint does not concern me. I personally have no stake in this argument.
What does bother me is that you aim to belittle and demean rape victims on the basis of their gender by ignorantly claiming that they are no such thing if they're male. (Going on to make smutty comments right after didn't exactly help matters either.)
Miencraft
Pev, can you please add POG to the list? I provided a description several times.
Also somebody add my bill to the laws?
In 24 hours a vote will be started on embassies with Philosophy 115 and World Space Administration.
Wow. 120+ messages over the space of one night's rest?
I don't think that we should be prematurely establishing embassies with any region, before the waters are tested and we solidify an actual relationship with that region.
Embassies should serve to represent the fact that we are friends with that region. Relations are not established with a region when you establish embassies; relations should exist before embassies are established, or else we don't even know what kind of relationship we're jumping into.
I will fully support establishing embassies with Philosophy 115, as soon as we have already invested diplomatic resources into successfully creating a relationship.
World Space Administration, on the other hand, I would not support embassies with, regardless.
Miencraft, Condealism
We have always been a very passionate region.
In short, embassies represent a pre-existing relationship. So, I will not support establishing embassies until we have a working relationship with these regions.
Miencraft, Condealism, Wovenland
Well, that was painful.
What's your issue with WSA?
Christians don't want to research space because they don't want to be proven wrong.
Actually kind of slow compared to what I'm used to, but it caught me off guard.
Shame it had the tone it did.
I'm ready to see whatever hissy fit is about to happen.
;)
How often do I throw hissy fits?
Lunch break is about to end, and I've got a meeting after work, so I'll try to explain my position sometime tonight or tomorrow.
I eagerly await that.
What are your thoughts on what I said regarding embassies?
I personally believe that embassies can be used early in diplomacy to pave the way to close friendship.
Says who? You can't just make an unsupported statement and tout it as fact. [joke]something you wouldn't know, mormon[/joke]
Embassies can be made for a variety of purposes and represent a variety of things.
Point taken. Embassies can represent friendships, political interest, friendly competition, etc.
International Union For Peace
Hey, who else wants to be a diplomat?
Diplomat? I'm interested, but i'm not a citizen yet. Please, tell me more.
Basically I'm like "go put a puppet in (blank) and start making friends" and you do it and wait for further instructions.
Oh, thanks for telling me. I'll think about it.
neato
Wowee the midday lull
Yup.
Sorry mate. Can you post it again? I'll take care of it now.
It's half ten here, almost midnight!
Pevvania
AND MY BILL AND MY BILL!
"The Party for Open Governance (POG), led by Kings Island, advocates for the replacement of the house and the board with a single legislative assembly, from which managers would be elected, for a separate judiciary, and for a greater focus on regional diplomacy and propaganda.
POG is currently the largest and most influential opposition party, with 2/5 representatives as members. The Party for Open Governance is committed to working with the RLP for reform, and Kings Island has been nominated for the position of Interior Manager by the Humpheria campaign. "
Party colors are dark red, dark blue, and dark gold, so please make the letters those colors.
Done. What bill, Hallo?
Dammit, Pev, I keep thinking monitor-related things are messed up because the part of your flag that used to be blue is black now.
Tyrinth
Thanks mate. Could you change the founding date? I believe it was the 6th of this month.
god I've posted this like four times
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=hallo_island/detail=factbook/id=446314
I tried to give it an ancap feel. I don't think it works. I'll try something else.
Okay Kings.
Oh, that bill. Has it been passed or should I just mark it as a proposal?
It's been passed for like, two weeks.
Actually I love it. And I'm gay. I know about style.
Kings Island, Pevvania, The New United States
I can't say I'm anywhere near as qualified as Hallo to render judgements on style, but I really like the flag, nonetheless.
International Union For Peace
As someone who looks at Hallo on a daily basis, you may not want to hold his fashion opinions in as high an esteem as you do.
The American Empire In Libertatem, International Union For Peace
So my flag idea wasn't ugly and shouldn't be burned?
Hey I clean up pretty well, Mr. Maroon Old Man Sweatshirt On Maroon T-Shirt On Maroon Shorts.
> Sweatshirt
> T-Shirt
> Shorts
> At same time, all same color
Please tell me your brother is forced at gunpoint to do that to himself.
Nope. All though, when he takes off his sweatshirt and a t-shirt of the exact same color is revealed, it is of some comedic value.
Can someone explain to me, that when can an RMB ban be applied on a nation? And who has the power to do so?
Just out of curiosity.
The point is that establishing embassies first is backwards and, in fact, damaging to our diplomatic efforts with that region. Why? Because, making embassies with another region takes all of the effort out of actually creating a real inter-regional friendship. That effort is where the relationship is actually built. There will not be any effort put into making a friendship with a region that we've already got superficial relations with, because people call it quits (in many cases) when we see we've got an embassy, as if the point of diplomacy is to rack up the longest list of embassies. Establishing embassies with potential partners, before even solidifying a relationship with them, discourages the growth of any prosperous relationship (friendship does not spring out of an embassy in most cases; it is the other way around, and this can be plainly seen if you look at the way any major GP region conducts diplomacy).
Just look at Atheist Empire. How hard did y'all fight for establishing embassies with them, for the sake of having superficial relations with an atheistic region? How much effort was actually put into creating a relationship with that region? How much effort would have been put into crafting that relationship if a working relationship were a prerequisite for the establishment of embassies? If y'all had actually put effort into befriending Atheist Empire, instead of into convincing us to make a meaningless and unprofitable embassy with them, then an actual friendship may have been developed - which should have been the objective; not just adding them to our embassy list. At this point, Atheist Empire serves us no purpose, and establishing embassies was in vain. Making embassies before making relationships is destructive, in many cases.
Establishing embassies with a region should never come before befriending and forming a relationship with that region. Sure, swapping embassies first won't always be destructive, and it may lead to a productive and mutually-beneficial relationship. BUT, there is no justification for insisting on requesting embassies before having a real relationship. If we were to, as a rule, always use our resources to form relationships with regions before we form embassies with those regions, we would ensure that we don't just make embassies: we make friends.
The Board should never vote 'Yes' on an embassy, without seeing evidence that we have already formed a promising and profitable relationship.
Miencraft, Condealism
The World Space Administration is an illegitimate organization, created by the criminal World Assembly and given the sole task of carrying out a task that should not be in the hands of the government in the first place, much less in the grasp of the heavy-handed bureaucrats of the General Assembly. The organization was created by a GA mandate that Libertatem was bound by law to vote against, anyway.
Besides, there are absolutely no benefits to establishing embassies with them. Philosophy 115? Okay, they are folks that we can talk to about political philosophy and possibly win people over to our side. The World Space Administration? It's simply not that kind of place, nor is it a region which will help us to advance any of our foreign policy interests.
I have never been rmb banned. Hallo would know more about it.
International Union For Peace
Yooo
When a nation says something overtly sexual, flame bait-y, graphically violent, or otherwise against site policy on an RMB, the Moderators will first apply a warning, then on the next offense, a ban, ranging from one day to two months or more, depending on your offense, and then on the next offense, a perma ban. Sometimes they will skip this process and apply a perma ban or delete your nation, also.
International Union For Peace
What is the TABLOID Act? Am I missing something really obvious?
Okay, thank you.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33619045
Have fun!
Hello everyone!
Yay! I'm in Libertatem's top 10 for longest lifespan!
International Union For Peace
I don't own maroon shorts. I have been known to layer maroon on my torso, though.
I personally believe it is a lot easier to befriend the people of a region when everyone has embassy posting privileges to go talk to those people, because many people are too lazy to make puppets.
Once again making claims without backing them up. The WSA is a place for regions to collaboration, and collaboration breeds friendship, therefore it is of some pretty massive diplomatic value. And the GA aren't illegitimate and criminal just because you personally don't like them. There is nothing wrong with nations of the world working together to make it safer and more advanced. It's not like they are wasting money.
The American Empire In Libertatem, International Union For Peace
TNUS, you realize that that isn't how diplomacy works in the real world, correct? The United States isn't all that friendly with Cuba, but we are creating embassies so we can become friendly with them.
Rateria, Midland County, The American Empire In Libertatem, International Union For Peace, Sweden And Finland
Nobody want to fill me in on what the TABLOID Act is?
Of course I know that! It's quite obvious that, before embassies are established in real life, the countries involved have almost no contact whatsoever, and that communications don't really open up in earnest until after an embassy/consulate has been constructed and a diplomatic staff speedily dispatched to occupy it. Governments don't form meaningful relationships with each other or discuss and investigate the benefits gained thereof before making those relationships official! Duh!
Diplomacy 101
This is kind of a moot point because we're maintaining rather friendly relations with the governments of all of the regions we are seeking embassies with so far.
International Union For Peace
Give me a few hours. And there's no reason to be so aggressive, when we're discussing regional affairs. It just makes it less fun.
It didn't know I was being aggressive.
International Union For Peace
Saying "hi" and saying you want embassies on the RMB does not constitute "friendly relations."
Btw guys, we've started making friends with the people and government of the region Gay. They'll probably send a diplomat or two here soon.
Humpheria, International Union For Peace
There's a thing called a telegram, and it's a place where foreign relations happen sometimes as well.
International Union For Peace
The names of all the regions we are currently starting new diplomatic relations with are in the dep. of state factbook.
Humpheria, International Union For Peace
TNUS, maybe try not to only cater to your own personal views when discussing foreign affairs. You may not like the WA for some ridiculous convoluted reason, but we could definitely benefit from the creation of embassies with WSA. Think about the region, not just yourself.
International Union For Peace
I agree with you.
International Union For Peace
Any decision on becoming a diplomat?
I could communicate to authorities in other regions. So possibly.
I think the more the embassies the better it is.
I don't think that's true.
I would prefer it if you not attack my loyalty to the region. I have never advocated for any regional policy for the purpose of personal gain. NatSov ideology is founded upon legitimate principles, and ones that the region (at least at one point) heavily sympathized with, as evidenced by the passing of the WAR Act.
Miencraft
I'm sorry, do you see a National Sovereignty tag on this region? No. You don't.
International Union For Peace
That's irrelevant. A tag doesn't mean anything, compared to the laws we have on the books.
Post self-deleted by Hallo Island.
I know that you're just full of personal grudges, but you should really just let The Manager of State do his job.
I don't have any grudges against anybody. There is really no reason to attack my character.
There's really no reason to object to every single reasonable thing proposed.
The American Empire In Libertatem, International Union For Peace
I think we need to have a serious talk about the WAR act, because it's a little insane. I'm not sure why the president needs to vote against every new GA proposal and for every repeal. A little crazy.
Rateria, International Union For Peace
It's his job to conduct diplomacy, and it's the Board's to review his embassy requests and whatnot. I have not overstepped the boundaries of my job description, and I have not been arguing out of resentment; in fact, I hate arguing. It makes me feel anxious and terrible. I only argue out of concern for regional policy, and I do not appreciate being denigrated.
* being denigrated for it.
I don't really have any issue with criticism and people talking about my job quality; I value your opinion.
Miencraft, International Union For Peace
You haven't overstepped your boundaries, but your crusade to shoot down every idea presented is getting to be a pretty large nuisance.
The American Empire In Libertatem, International Union For Peace
It does get old, honestly.
I never criticized your job quality, all I wanted to do was discuss the way that diplomacy should be gone about.
This conversation has been made into one that is uncivil, with attacks against my sincerity and my intent. I am disengaging from this discussion.
Can we have a talk about section 3 of the WAR act though?
International Union For Peace
Some people here take RMB posts very seriously.
[joke]...so, what your saying is that I've won?[/joke]
International Union For Peace
No it isn't. The reach of the General Assembly is too great, and their tyranny too real - it is the duty of our President to use what influence he has to prevent them from infringing further upon the sovereignty of individual WA nations.
The New United States
Or maybe the president could vote how he sees fit because he's a free person.
International Union For Peace
But why couldn't he simply vote on what he thinks is best for us, and not be forced to vote on things just by it's classification?
International Union For Peace
I think there is nothing wrong with nations choosing to work together to better the world in the WA
International Union For Peace
The President votes for the region, not just himself. He has a vote for each endorsement he has. Therefore, he is accountable to the will of the people and responsible for protecting our liberties from the tyrants of the World Assembly.
Miencraft, Condealism, The American Empire In Libertatem
Who officially decided that the WA is a bunch of tyrants? We're not anti-WA, you are.
International Union For Peace
That I understand, but voting against new legislation just because it's new legislation and stuff like that seems illogical.
Because he has more than one vote in the World Assembly due to the fact that he is Delegate, as opposed to an ordinary member of the WA. He votes not for himself but for Libertatem.
Miencraft, The New United States
Grab a footlong at Subway and Eat Fresh!
Just NEVER enter the Jared Foundation or my bedroom.
The World Assembly is antithetical to Libertarianism. It is a world-spanning bureaucracy that, through mob rule, imposes its (often vile) will upon the nations of the world.
Miencraft, Condealism
I don't think when voting for the entire region he should just mindlessly vote against everything without looking at it; that's insane.
International Union For Peace
It's legislation passed by a government we do not recognize the sovereignty of. It's legislation passed to undermine Libertatem's autonomy. The sooner and more often these whimsical inventions of big-government-supporters are repealed, the better.
Miencraft
He does look at it: He has to make sure it's not a repeal. If it is a repeal, he votes for it.
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