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Some of them do actually
Interestingly, most left-wing politicians are white themselves, and they're far too insufferably smug to be classified as self-hating. One must wonder why the leftists pursue this insipid strategy of condemning their own race while promoting every minority ethnic group (or minority interest group in general, which will then be treated as if an ethnic group), when it would be much easier to indicate the drain on society that many of these minorities are and react decisively. I can only conclude that the aim is to keep the whole democratic political charade up until every last strategic asset of the country has been sold to George Soros and his cabal.
Miri Islands
*Critical race theorist enters the room*
ackshually
The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands
I ran into one during a BBQ invite this Spring accompanying one of the new neighbors. He is getting a BA with an emphasis in "Diversity Studies" Thankfully, he was just visiting and headed back to UC Davis. It seems he had never had his assumptions challenged before, and was quite agitated that no one else present agreed with his assessments at the BBQ (including the friend who brought him).
It seems he learned American history from Zim, (not to be confused with Invader Zim which is more realistic). He had no idea that the Republican Party was formed because of radical abolitionists nor the fact that the Democrat Party platform advocated for such a thing as the political fiction of the "White Race" whereas the GOP stood for us all being brothers one of another. I gave him bibliography to read, but he didn't seem interested. I don't know what is more to be despised, Leftist Bigotry or Progressivist Civic Stoopidity.
It was quite an entertaining evening. I don't think he will be moving to Idaho on graduation. Hopefully, mission accomplished.
The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands
My whole point is to say we have already had street battles. Factions on the left and right, albeit small factions, are already willing to jump to violent altercations. This isn't in anyway a good thing for the country.
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria
I think I have to disagree with you on this one. A good fistfight and the occasional public brawls used to be the way to let off steam, a possible way to make friends by offering each other a drink afterward, and a serious way to keep bullies in check. Thanks to Trial-Liars run amok and post-Cultural Revolution sissification of public masculine expression there is a serious misunderstanding of how public order should function -- Men should act like 9 year old girls in public instead of men (with all it entails).
The Antifa that I have seen so far seem to be willfully ignorant spoiled entitlement brats, not real Communists. These wannabes are protected by their Blue State handlers only as far as their leash will allow. A good pummelling by an angry public is called for.
***anecdote alert***
A lasting impression as a young kid (K or 1st Grade) was going to the airport with my paternal Grandfather to pick up one of the cousins returning in Nam outside the Boise Airport. There was a trip of Hippies shouting things like "babbykillers," etc. A couple of the hairier ones tried to hit the Marines with their peace signs as they were exiting the airport.
The Marines (my cousin included) beat the living daylights out of the batterers as the trip melted away, and the Sheriff's Deputies entered the fray. When the accounts were given the Deputies arrested the hippies and we went home. Turns out that one of the guys arrested was the younger brother of my cousin's best friend.
He wasn't recognized because of the unshaven hair. When my cousin found out (from calling his old friends on Ma Bell), we went down to the County Courthouse and my cousin bailed the two arrested hippies out. My cousin and the other Marines asked for the charges to be dropped (which they were).
The irony has never been lost on me.
***end Anecdote Alert***
I am not saying that Antifa and Hippies are alike. There is nothing wrong with a Hippy that a bath, shave, and job wouldn't cure. You can do that for an Antifa but you are still stuck with their nasty disposition.
The New United States, Skaveria
By Jove, I agree with this
The New United States
A good street brawl should be fought with fists not bikelocks and Dodge Challengers
Narland, The New United States, Skaveria
Tupolite I just realized you took my spot as the nation with the lowest political freedom in the region. This is saddening
The New United States
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I have the second largest military in the region and I have the second lowest political freedom because I'm sandwiched between two dictatorships that are more dictatorial than me
The thing is that they need to experience consequences for their actions. Ironically they need some good ol fashioned working class justice. You can't just have your unmasked comrade distract the target, while you, in a mask, come up from behind or the side and sucker punch them or hit with something metal, and then weave back into the wall of masked people. Screw that, they need to be isolated and made to fight.
They need to get into actual fights so they know what actual violence is like, maybe it'll make them reconsider. Either out of fear of being hit themselves, or maybe it'll grow some empathy when they know what it feels like.
If they never face consequences this behavior will continue. It's for their own benefit as well, we're talking about fist fights. If they're allowed to escalate then when the REAL right-wing reactionaries come, they'll bring guns, they'll treat them like actual enemy combatants, with extreme prejudice. We need to punch them now so they don't get shot later.
Narland
Whack
Thoroughly agree.
The founders did warn about factions...
Narland, Rateria
If city police actually did their job maybe this crap wouldn't happen so often. Further evidence of the 'Ferguson Effect'.
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Too busy forcefully stroking their ego..at their moms house.. in Iowa.. on a farm.
Pevvania
Me 🤝 The rest of Libertatem
hating the dnc
Rateria
Whenever I'm on Facebook, I oddly always get ads for BBC "Comedy." The weird part about the BBC "Comedy" videos is how uniformally unfunny and blatantly partisan they are, despite being a public broadcaster.
Seems like every video is a lecture about white privilege, how terrible Boris Johnson is, how terrible Brexit is, how to be more sensitive to Pakistanis, vegans, etc, or all of the above.
You'd think the UK state broadcaster would be a little less on-the-nose about how far-left they are and how much they hate the current UK government.
Pevvania, Narland, Skaveria, Tupolite
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Why does Boris Johnson "suck"? Better than any UK leader in recent memory, even if far from perfect.
Pevvania, Miri Islands
I don't think the UK has had a competent PM this decade. Boris is no exception, a complete moron who will most likely go down as a national embarrassment. I remember seeing the news that he had become the new PM and I actually laughed. I would not be surprised to another brexit referendum happens, though I don't know if I think it will.
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Torries only suck in comparison to American politics. They're basically what the Democrats were five years ago before they fully revealed themselves as insane cultural marxists. I'd prefer UKIP, but Torries are WAY better than the Labor party.
The New United States
That's true, although there is much more diversity among the modern Tories than among the 2015 Dems. There are plenty of moderately socialistic Tories, but there are also people that'd easily be to the right of the GOP norm; for instance, there are Austrian-schoolers like Steve Baker and plenty of pro-market traditionalists like Jacob Rees-Mogg and the Cornerstone Group. You couldn't find anyone even close to them among the Dems now or then.
Muh Roads
Although I don't understand why ANOTHER brexit referendum would happen, they got the answer, and hosting more seems like they'd want more until they get the no answer they're looking for.
The New United States
The State disarmed the population decades ago. The population cannot assert its authority over the dissent of the State. Now all the British State has to do is play its reindeer games and wear the people down until they submit.
If the British State was still constitutional (and consequently the general population would still be armed) the Brits probably would have never submitted to Eurodespotism to start. Or if they did Brexit would be over and done already. But the 70+ years of flirting with Socialism has crippled the State of its good governance and denied the People their prerogative.
The New United States
As the region's resident Brit...
*breathe in* wrong
The New United States
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Wow Pev, how could you say something so brave yet so controversial?
Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Wyattish
Could we please get him to say this in voice chat with an earrape version of God Save the Queen playing in the background?
The New United States
Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D74-MhpXYAASSXU.jpg
The New United States, Rateria
A quick aside, how do I make the shortcut for the game on my phone?
The New United States, Rateria
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The most grating kind of libertarians are definitely the SJW libertarians.
Narland, Miri Islands
Morally or physically?
What do you mean by those? Also, I wasnt aware of a poll until Wilhelm mentioned it.
Narland
Basically they act exactly like the stereotypical SJW, except they like guns and capitalism.
Narland, The New United States, Rateria
Exhibit A: LNC Chair Nick Sarwark referring to the Mises Institute as a think-tank for "actual Nazis" CuZ JeFf DeIsT and ToM wOoDs ArE rAcIsT!!!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/nsarwark/status/897197530504507392?
Rateria, Skaveria
Ive heard of the Mises Institute being branded as neo-Confederate by the SPLC, but I havent heard of them being called Nazis. I dont know a lot about Deist or Woods, but I havent heard of them being racist. I dont remember the Mises Institute supporting Nazism either.
Narland, The New United States
It was a hard choice between "weed bro" libertarians and SJW libertarians because on one hand the weed libs don't even attempt to understand the important founding principles behind libertarianism and instead but want weed and will vote for anyone who wants to give them weed. The SJW libertarians are a little worse because they seek to make people equal and give special privileges to certain groups which fundimentaly goes against libertarianism
Narland, The New United States, Skaveria
Well in all fairness, the SJW libertarians usually have semi-solid libertarian policy suggestions, they just use the same buzz-words, have the same mannerisms, and accuse not-Nazis of Nazism in the same way SJWs do. That's why they're annoying.
I think the purely weed vote is starting to go away too as weed gets legalised, the weed libertarian has evolved into the "gay weed guns" libertarian. "If I LiKe AlL tHoSe ThInGs I mUsT bE lIBeRtArIaN!"
Like no bro, you're just liberty-leaning on those three issues, come back in two years when you're ready to legalize heroin and abolish the fed.
Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands
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I tell ya what, President Trump is actually an anti-deepstate plant funded by George Soros lost brother, Q. Soros. See that first part? Q? Yeah. Thats who Qanon is. And his most recent post proves Trump actually pulled out of Syria because the Kurds were involved in the global deepstate conspiracy and Erdogan is the only one who can stop them.
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria
Huh, more plausible than the Russia collusion hoax.
Rateria, Miri Islands
The Russia thing just proves to me how awful american neo-liberals are.
You lose an election, by running the WORST possible candidate, run 0 ground game in important states, and generate 0 excitement against Donald Trump, then when you lose you BLAME ON THE FKING RUSSIANS INSTEAD OF TAKING ANY TIME TO REFLECT ON WHAT WENT WRONG. Then, rather than doing any actual organizing, you just post about how Trump is Voldemort and act like its a form of legitimate resistance. To American liberals (and conservatives but they won), there is no actual criticism of the systems in place, but rather superficial whining about "foreign interference" and "cheeto-man".
They know, though, that this is all meaningless, because if they legitimately felt threatened, they would actually organize and "resist". Most of the liberals in America are middle class and higher people who won't be affected by anything. Instead of fighting for real change and reform, they'll vote for another status-quo DNC bootlicker like Harris or Buttigieg and wonder why Trump wins again, then blame it on Russia or probably Iran too.
Didn't mean to turn this into a rant but the Russia stuff just pisses me off, it's ridiculous. The DNC dumbasses who propagated that stuff are an embarrassment to the country.
Pevvania, Narland, Rateria
I'm genuinely interested to see how the left will react when trump is elected to a new term. Will they reflect on their horrible policy positions or will they double down on orange man bad
Narland, Rateria
Most likely a little bit of the first, a lot of the 2nd. The American Left is nothing but neoliberals who dont care about change. Trump to them is ultimately just someone they just find annoying.
Rateria
Britain dos have a Constitution (technically the UK, but in common parlance Britain). It's most distinguishing feature is that it is not codified into a single document but unwritten as with that of NZ and Israel. Britain's constitution comprises a host of diverse laws, practices and conventions that have developed over time. The key landmark is the Bill of Rights (1689), which established the supremacy of Parliament over the Crown following the forcible replacement of King James II by William and Mary in the Glorious Revolution of 1688. It relies on the Magna Carta (1215) and something other (a decree or ruling of the Crown from the time of Henry II, iirc) as the basis of its authority.
Personally, I try to make a distinction between Left in the traditional American sense and Left in the more sophisticated sense. I think most of us here do this, if not all of us. I personally get annoyed when people call Democrats like Elizabeth Warren or Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez communists, or I just find it funny. From the way I see it, theyre social democrats at the most.
As for the American Left not wanting actual change, Im not entirely sure about that one. There are Democrat-leaning people who want single-payer healthcare, more government action on the environment, restrictions on firearms, and other policies. Does that make them socialists who want to collectivize the means of production? No.
As for these people seeing Trump as a mere annoyance, that could be the case for some people, but my experience may differ from yours. The leftists and liberals that I know tend to think of him as an existential threat to Americas stability. They accuse him of being corrupt, jeopardizing alliances, and other such criticisms that Im sure weve all heard.
I will agree and say that Democrats focus a lot on Trump, which can make it look like all they have to say is Orange Man Bad.
Narland, Jadentopian Order
There would undoubtedly be riots again like there were when he first got elected.
Don't make the mistake of thinking he's a shoe in though. That's the mistake Clinton supporters made in 2016 and they didn't go vote.
People who aren't a part of the progressive orthodoxy see their candidates as insane, but you gotta remember that that's the base of their party. There won't be any bleeding from democrats to republicans with Trump in office, he's just too unliked by everyone left of center. Obviously there won't be any bleeding from right to left either if the nominee is anyone but Biden, but it won't be Biden.
This is gonna be a close election. The dems are gonna mobilize like never before. The impeachment hearing will help Trump's case, sure, but if the economy slows down there's a good chance that'll balence out.
This is gonna be an election of attrition. It won't be about ideas, everyone already made up their minds. This will be about mobilizing the base and using resources appropriately.
Don't get cocky now, this ain't the time. If he loses then everything goes back to business as usual and this'll be marked down as just a wacky, fluke election. He needs this second win to permanently change the culture. Any one of these candidates could be potentially deadly, especially Biden and Bernie. They can flip independents with rustbelt appeal.
Pevvania, Narland
I think the conspiracy is perpetuating the myth that Trump is an an idiot lacking understanding. If anyone bothers to read Trump, or the policies of the Reform Party under Perot (which Trump was a part of formulating), one of the goals is to dismantle the Bush political machine and cripple the (Cecil) Rhodesian Administrative State so small businesses and entrepreneurs could once again thrive in this country. Trump may not be a crafty politician or bureaucrat intellectual, but he is a persistent powerful force with enough knowledge to be dangerous to those he considers enemies of the Republic (primarily wielders of the petrodollar and beneficiaries of GATT and NAFTA).
Skaveria
I am looking forward to watching from local Campaign Headquarters 2020, the wall of 36 monitors turned to all the various networks the tears, wailing, gnashing of teeth and other TDS phrenetics of the talking heads from the leftist news media. Not to mention watching the cheery smiles from the Blaze, Fox, and that Canadian Conservative broadcast group trying to be a network of its own (icr its name).
I wouldn't be surprised if the proles go out into the streets, pull dumpsters out into the streets, light them on fire, and dance around chanting, "Orange man bad! <repeat>" until its time to go back to their jobs at university, or for the rest their parent's basements for breakfast.
The funniest to me is that no legitimate Communists or Leftist is supporting someone like Warren (In fact most hate her lol), and many just support AOC and Bernie purely because they're the farthest left. "Leftist" barely means anything anymore in America because everyone goes around thinking that any slightly less right-of-center policy than the status quo is socialism.
Rateria
The Leftists that I know do want to fundamentally change America to a non-existent Scandinavian Socialist State that exists only in their imagination.
The Liberals that I know want to dismantle the foundations of the US because they have been persuaded by Neomarxist thought that America is not founded on the principle that all men are created equal nor does it know that the purpose of government is to pursue the ideals of Truth, Justice, and Peace, through Liberty and Equality (except for the few old Left who (like Paleo-Conservatives) just want to be left alone) to live their lives unmolested.
Rateria
We shall see who KOS, The Daily World, et. al., endorses. :) They usually do endorse the Democrat candidate.
As they should, because it is.
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I think Ill have to disagree with you on this one. The government doing stuff does not make that thing socialism. To my knowledge, the plans proposed by Democrats want state-funded healthcare, but I dont remember the medical practitioners being state employees under those plans. I do recall that Sanders wanted to abolish private health insurance though. Have socialists advocated for single-payer healthcare? Yes, but wouldnt socialism by definition have all production controlled by the collective? If the rest of the means of production is in private hands, wouldnt it be a social democracy? I think we can both acknowledge that the government providing public goods such as roads and firefighting isnt socialist. Im not happy when people call literally anything the government does socialism. This goes both ways, with some people claiming fire departments are government services, so theyre socialism.
You mention people wanting some kind of imaginary Scandinavian socialist paradise, and I can see why this is irritating. The Nordic Model is social democratic, with major government programs existing alongside private enterprise.
Liberals influenced by Marxists in an attempt to destroy America? I cant speak to that. I dont like the whole liberal gungrabbing thing and possibly a few other positions, but I cant say that theyre Marxists.
Narland
On a similar note, maybe I should get back into politics as a whole. I guess Ive just gotten apathetic regarding a wide range of issues. Ive been looking mostly at gun-related stuff and a little bit of drug policy. If anyone has any suggestions on how I can help myself out, Im willing to listen.
Pevvania, Narland
Politico, The Hill, Breitbart, Daily Wire and Reason. First two are liberal/fake news, Breitbart is paleo-con, Daily Wire is more traditional conservative and Reason is libertarian. These are the ones I read and give me a pretty good spectrum of opinions.
Rateria
No, but they, like our supposed to be Public Schools turned State Schools, will be transformed de facto in a similar fashion that public school teachers and administrators are in the 21st century de facto state employees. There isn't a Socialist alive that doesn't want to subsume all public activities (including Public Governments) under the auspices of the State.
I think it is a distinction without a difference. Social democracy (also called Economic Democracy, and Revised Marxism, of which Fabian Socialism is a part) is a political ideology that advocates a peaceful evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes.A faction of the Social Democrats have decided to go the route of Soft Fascists and espouse economic control by an independent and centralized administrative state to control the means of production through extensive regulation and state regimentation of businesses rather than state ownership directly; and then creating extensive social welfare programs to create an underclass from which to draw out the next generation of proletariat.
Yeah, we have had 90+ years of "Social Democracy" thanx to Wilson, FDR, the corporatization of businesses in 1954, the LBJ Raw Deal, Nixon's wage and price controls, Carter's Stagflation and encroachment upon encroachment of the Swamp up to this Day (minus a bit of JFK, some of Reagan and a lot of Trump).
Both the (then) New Democrats (pick any), and the moderate Republicans (really moderate Socialists) like Nelson Rockefeller or George Romney (power brokers in both parties) never saw a bureaucracy they didn't like, nor a small business that they didn't believe should be driven into the ground.
Besides that is the opposite of what America is about. The government's business is to stay out of the people's businesses, not control or stifle it. It is incumbent upon the state to insure the right to pursuit of happiness by facilitating that each and every individual owns or is allowed to own their own means of production through just recognition of property rights.
A little bit of Socialism in the Government is like a little bit of arsenic in the Soup. How sick in body do you think you can handle before succumbing? How anemic do you want your economy to be, and how impoverished our children?
That is the rub isn't it? Schools and Roads as public concerns (such as public utilites or special districts) are not Socialist, but schools and roads under direct control of the state (no matter what its name) is. Socialist of moderate stripe have defined themselves as Statists.All Socialists (except Anarchists) are Statists in some sense. It comes with the territory.
As a former volunteer firefighter (and independent road builder) who served with "anti-government" (really anti-corruption limited government) Conservatives and a couple of Libertarians, I heartily agree. Yes, they like a big safety net, but unlike American Socialists in our midst they do not want to squelch free market enterprise and private entrepreneurs (and since I was there last) have done an excellent job of getting out of the way of family businesses.Some of the things that help me most in politics is:
"To What End?";
"Who Benefits?";
"Follow the Money,";
letting their actions speak louder than their words; and
looking for both the method to the madness & the madness to the method.
The history of mankind is the history of man's inhumanity to man through despotism and tyranny. Our age is no different, we just have the benefit of a Civilization built with blood, sweat, and tears of our forebears on the radical notion of limited government, self-government, and inherent right of the individual. It takes a special kind of people (moral and rightly educated) to live as a free people in a free society fighting against the evils and injustice of each generation so that the next generation lives better than the previous. It seems the current gen and the next gen are being denied the tools to do so.
Thanks for conversing. I am enjoying this greatly.
Rateria
Summarized my thoughts exactly. I'm really hoping for Warren as the nominee. For us - people on the right - she's perfect. She has the shrill voice and fake personality of Hillary, but the insane and unconstitutional ideas of Bernie. As far as I'm concerned, that's a win-win for me. And you better believe the Native American stuff will come up again.
Narland, Skaveria
Also, I find the jabs at my being British very hurtful and insensitive. This is a disease I was born with and I'm trying desperately to cure myself of it by wearing red, white and blue as much as I can, saying "y'all" in conversation and saluting every American flag I see. Please be understanding of my condition and my nationality dysphoria. I was born in the wrong country and doctors are doing all they can to treat me
Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Skaveria, Highway Eighty-Eight
If Biden wins, and he will win, it'll be a guaranteed Trump victory. If Trump has issues than this guy has too much skeletons he can't get rid of.
Narland, The New United States
I totally agree with you. People wonder why the British people's liberties have been eroded so much - or in some cases never existed - and the answer is very simple: we do not have a codified constitution. An "uncodified constitution", in my view, is the same thing as "uncodified laws" - merely traditions and precedents. At this point it would be very difficult to bring one in since we've re-entered the era of adversarial politics - after 20~ years of consensus politics - and most of the British people, unfortunately, have little respect for individual rights.
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria
Interesting take. I don't think he's gonna be the nominee though man. He's been slipping a lot lately and Warren is gaining ground.
Number 1 for most pro-market in Libertatem, yes boys
Narland, Rateria, Skaveria
fake news
The electors like squishy soft liberal centrists with warmongering tendencies. Hence Hillary. I think Biden has too much going for him there.
I hope things go well for you. Doctors under State supervision can do wonders. I used to think I was supposed to be an Oceanian but the Ministry of Truth won't talk to me over the telly anymore. I don't know if I am supposed to be at war with Eastasia or Eurasia. But that was okay because the US has troops in conflict everywhere. With Trump threatening to call troops home, I am starting to get the feeling I am supposed to be Oceanian again.
I miss hanging around some of the small town local pubs and keeping my trap shut (that murikan accent of mine). I loved listening to the friendly banter. if I ever get back into the leisurely class, I would head back to GB just to hang out with an mug of stout and listen. As long as I don't have to listen to a bloke cry that he's are a mere factory worker in love with a lady of distinction that is too good for 'im that is. :)
Pevvania, The New United States
AnCaps are easily the most annoying libertarians. Anarchism and capitalism are complete opposites and incompatible, theoritically and especially realistically.
Hope you guys have been well.
Jadentopian Order
But they aren't. Unless you use the extremely vague definition of anarchy to mean "to abolish heirarchy". Anything can be a heirarchy if you play semantics hard enough
The New United States
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>tfw you sell half your city to fundamentalist oil sheikhs from the Gulf, but building a Chick Fil-A is just a hateful bridge too far
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelinemaynard/2019/10/18/ta-ta-amid-lgbt-protests-chick-fil-a-gets-kicked-out-of-a-uk-mall/amp/
Auxorii
No, Im defining anarchy as it was originally defined by Proudhon: the stateless and classless society (i.e, the same end goal of communism)
The reason why Proudhon developed modern anarchism was because Marxism-Leninism was more authoritarian, and he believed that communism would be better achieved through the abolishment of the state (as it upholds property) rather than a totalitarian regime based in a vanguard party.
When you understand this basic concept of anarchism, that the state upholds property, you realize why capitalism and anarchism are incompatible. Property and its value are determined by statism. You need a court system to decide when people argue over property, if you want a currency system you need a government to print it (hopefully) or at least to validate it, and ultimately you need a police force/military to enforce decisions concerning property. Property is upheld by the state, and therefore capitalism and anarchism are incompatible.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Yeah but are you in the top five for furniture restoration industries? I didn't think so, loser.
Rateria, Skaveria, Jadentopian Order, Wyattish
My thought for conspiracy theorist libertarians was the type who claims to be pro-liberty yet peddles conspiracy theories regarding Jewish people and such. Im talking about the whole Siegepilled type that are on their way to becoming full Christopher Cantwell types.
To put it simply, there are very weird people on the Internet.
Republic Of Minerva, Highway Eighty-Eight
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In absence of a state the individual will protect property as property is a god given right. Without police a factory owner would just hire private security as many already do
False, paper currency for a long time was made by banks as a place holder for gold before states made currency of their own the value was held by how much gold that currency could exchange for at the bank if the currency is Fiat then it is up to the banks to protect the value by not over printing in the same way the fed does in the United States. In the absence of the state people will hire security to defend their property. Disputes of property will have to settled by neutral arbiters or through private settlement. The classless part of your definition is impossible to achieve as even in a state of nature people form heirarchies
Pevvania, The New United States
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Potato, potato
Auxorii
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Saying god given is supposed to be mean Impossible to take away as God is omnipotent. It's the terminology the founding fathers used and I decided to use it in this case
Property is inherent to the nature of being human and our rights as individuals, and capitalism actually arose as a reaction to the statism of its day, feudalism, which deprived individuals of their property rights in favor of crown-backed lords and landowners. In practice, a small, limited government is best for protecting property rights and capitalism, but theoretically I believe anarcho-capitalism is the logical conclusion of the economic system. In theory, the spontaneous order left to itself would replace public institutions with a series of interlocking private institutions.
Also, money was not magically invented by the state to oppress people. Like capitalism, it arose out of necessity, in this case to solve the problems of the barter system. Any society that abolishes money would very quickly be in the dark ages.
Rateria, Miri Islands
One of the silliest arguments against colonialism is that the diseases that killed Native Americans somehow counts as a "genocide". No. The Europeans did not have a good enough grasp of germ science to even know they'd be transmitting diseases to which native Americans had no immunity. They would have had no idea. And unfortunately, this would have happened any way you slice it, because the Europeans were always going to find the Americas before the Americas found Europe, and Europeans already had disease immunity, which the native Americans never could have acquired. This is just one of those sad, unavoidable facts of history.
Miencraft
It's just a matter of logistics. Afro-Eurasia had 85% of the world's population, with 10% in sub-Saharan Africa, 5% in the Americas, and less than 1% in Polynesia.
When you have more people, you get exposed to more bacteria and build up immunities. You also develop war technologies much quicker because there are more people to potentially go to war with. It's no an accident the the greatest empires the world has ever known came from Europe, the Middle East, and the far East. That's where the overwhelming majority of people were.
Pevvania
I keep hearing the small box blankets thing thrown around but that would imply they knew what biological warfare is. They clearly didn't it wasn't till the 1900s that germ theory became widely accepted. Civil war medical tools were never disinfected and gauze was constantly reused. President McKinley was dragged into a restroom while he had an open gunshot wound. Even then I think European culture was a massive improvement over what was here regardless
Pevvania
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Right, this and a few other geographic factors mean Eurasian dominance of world affairs was an inevitability. 9 out of the 11 livestock animals ever domesticated were in this region (the Americas only had alpacas), Eurasia is latitudinal rather than longitudinal (which often sees different civilizations coalesce in smaller pockets that correspond with similar weather patterns, preventing expansion and cultural exchange) and travel was relatively easy compared to the other continents of the world. The racialists who point to the "inferiority" of native peoples in the Americas, Australia and Sub-Saharan Africa often overlook or just ignore these facts. Eurasia had all the advantages.
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Okay, and so when the person trying to take your property has more guns than you, what happens? You chase after and try to get your property back on your own?
You missed my point on currency. Without a government there is no defined and validated currency for a territory, as any person can just decide what is valuable to them in that moment; and while that sounds nice, its obvious how having no unified currency in large scale territories fails. Thats why the founding fathers abandoned the idea of states having their own currencies.
Neutral arbitrators and private settlements, this is completely vague and again has no actual weight to it, because in an anarchist society there would be nothing binding you to its decisions.
Thats not my definition, its Pierre Joseph Proudhons. You can disagree with it all you like, Im not an anarchist.
Youre misunderstanding my argument. I dont deny that private companies could replace public services and institutions. However, if there are not within the jurisdiction of a government, the system is incapable of being upheld. While private corporations can run these institutions, they do not validate it.
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Ah, I see. I think it's very debatable honestly. I certainly agree that right now a limited state would be the best way to protect a flourishing market economy, but I definitely think the theoretical case for anarcho-capitalism is strong. The main flaw in Rothbard's theory is it ignores negative externalities. Which is pretty problematic for multiple reasons I'm sure I don't need to go into.
I think the market has the capability to naturally adopt a single currency. The reasoning is very simple: the less successful consumers and businesses will want access to the more successful consumers and businesses. Nobody would stubbornly hold on to a currency that has little value or isn't traded by more powerful market actors. Look at the prevalence of the US dollar in third world countries like Zimbabwe.
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wait a sec... was Hitler... a Zionist?! it all makes sense, he wanted the Jews to acquire new world dominance by establishing Israel and moving to the US en mass. that's some real 6 millionD chess!
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In small communities, sure; but theyd have to be overseen and protected by governments in order to actually be long term sustainable and protected.
I dont see why a unified currency is what the economy would drift towards- and currency has nothing to do with how successful a business is, its their products/services. On the business end, they would just accept or deny whatever currencies they saw fit.
The U.S dollar being valuable in Zimbabwe does not equate it being an official currency of Zimbabwe.
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In that case you have a warlord who is capable of monopolising power on your hands and congratulations you are no longer in anarchy as this warlord has become the state. This is why I'm not an anarchist
With modern technology it's easier than ever to have a unified currency without a state. If local areas all had their own currency exchange rates would be determined in a moment's notice and besides isn't the point of anarchy to be free of defined territory and involentary association? If it's economically beneficial areas would come together with a unified currency in the same way the European Union did except in this case it would be volentary.
it's another pickle for anarchism that would be even worse for ancom rather than ancap. A way to solve this would of course be more guns but then we start running into the warlord problem again. it's the definition you're using and he has a terrible definition for anarchism. You ARE using a bad definition of anarchism.and I am not an anarchist either I'm simply responding to the claim that ancom is the most likely form of anarchism when it is clearly ancap. I am a minarchistPevvania
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