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Region: Libertatem
According to the BBC, Somalia's real GDP per capita has roughly tripled since 1991 to $600. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12285365
Libertarianism (better known as American Conservatism v2.0) is a fad political ideology for 13-year-old boys, first year college students, stoners, and white business owners who use the "private property" argument so they don't have to serve black people. Libertarians more commonly known as Libertards or Lolbertarians, believe that governmental "intrusion" into people's lives should be limited as much as possible--except when someone breaks into their house, they need a contract enforced, or want a health inspector to check out the local restaurants. Government is just fine in those cases. They also believe roads and civic infrastructure are naturally occurring phenomena.
Libertarianism has a big crossover with Extropians, who think that you can realize science fiction ideas like space elevators and self-genetic engineering in the near future. Most Libertarians are either 13-year-old boys, fratboys who watch South Park, people that want to appear "alternative", or paranoid survivalists living in tiny cabins in Montana where they stockpile weapons and food for the dreaded day when Big Brother comes 'round tryin' to implant fail chips in their brains. Libertarians claim to be a radical philosophers but are really as bourgeoisie as they can get. Ultimately, all libertarians are really interested in is defending their petty, white, middle class interests.
Libertarians believe that humanity falls into two categories:
1. Libertarians
2. Sheep
Copypasta from Encyclopedia Dramatica?
Yeah, it's pretty clear that you've given up.
Thoughts on Andrew Jackson?
given up? i'm just getting started !
Doesn't look like it, since you haven't countered a single one of my points, instead copy and pasting random bullshit from Encyclopedia Dramatica.
I think FDR and Abraham Lincoln were the best US presidents.
FDR? What good did he do?
Economy Act
vetoed Bonus Bill
approved abolishment of Prohibition
completed end to occupation of Haiti
A handful of good points in a sea of bad, imo.
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TTA is NOT Kan who is NOT Einsiev
Ya, I've known Kan and Einsiev. Very different.
Seems rough. TG me.
Ankha, would you like to be the defense for Kanatistan? We cannot have a trial until he has a defense.
Sherm, I edited your article to change "Congress" (which does not exist in Libertatem) to Board, and I formatted the Cabinet.
Reaganist-Libertarian Primary for Seat Four of the Board
The Reaganist Libertarian Party leadership has determined to conduct a CLOSED primary for Seat Four. As political parties are a private institution with no government regulation, this means that only those determined to be in good standing with the party may vote. Any Citizen may send in a vote, but only those agreed upon as being in good standing with the party.
Good standing is defined as:
* Being an elected official in the RLP
* Having voted for an RLP candidate at least once
* Sending a valid reason with your vote
You may vote for incumbent Right-Winged Nation or challenger Shermaniya.
Please send your votes to Political Director Humpheria. Voting ends December 30.
No...I nevet had a similarly sounding puppet here.
Why would I try to hack Into your accounts?
More importantly don't we both have WA?
So in other words we should dissolve every country into a small nations with major internal issues and pirates because it helps the economy.
nation*
We could really use a Grammar Police Force in this region.
No, all I was saying is that Somalia has improved in the absence of socialism.
I believe he is referring to The Islamic States of the Mediterranean.
I don't know how that sounds like The Time Alliance, but yes Funky that is mine.
Well...I mean it's amazing a country in its situation could do that economically.
Indeed it is. Violence isn't very conducive to free markets.
Not from what I believe, it isn't.
That brings the question why it is doing so well.
Distraction: Who are the next Board contestants?
Well, instead of there being one gang with a monopoly on force, there are competing gangs without a monopoly on force.
Renegalis vs. NCSA for Seat 5
So far it is 3-0 RWN up to Shermaniya.
...See that's the kind of Internal problem I dislike.
Multiple groups competing violently for power.
Actum takes Seat 3 unless there is another challenger Seat 4 is a primary.
Amirite?
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So gang violence is okay as long as it's one gang doing it to everybody?
How bout no violence?
Unless defending yourself or another.
But the existence of government necessarily requires violence.
What's the official outcome for Board Seat 2 elections? I know the result is 9-7 as it stands but which voters are actually citizens?
Thus my exception.
It does and government is sadly necessary but not to the extent we take it.
They were all Citizens.
Is Coumba a citizen?
Coumba, Actum, and Shermaniya were all granted by the Board or the President during the Presidentials.
Congratulations to (former) President Humpheria on his election win. I look forward to working with him on the Board in the New Year.
He was here before my First Nation.
I don't know quite how to respond to that at this moment.
Gimme the parties and we'll get this done with.
Renegalis (ACOP) vs NCSA (RLP)
Perhaps it would be in the best interest of Libertatem that the Internal Affairs Department produce a public list of citizens and how it was bestowed. As it stands, this process is completely opaque and favor the incumbent since those in power can simply create new voters with few checks or balances.
I should also mention that two weeks ago a certain RPP official was decrying CI's election due to an influx of "new citizens," only for his recent election to be secured by such "new citizens" at a time when Libertatem is beset by foreign spies and sabateurs.
*RLP
A few things.
1. The Board grants through a system of checks and balances and the President has such a thing as executrive orders
2. I would have won regardless of new Citizens
3. Please stop blatantly making everything about party politics
We do have a public list of citizens.
Also, what do you mean "how it was bestowed"? You literally have the IA Manager who can appoint those who legally qualify upon application, and the President whose power extends only when the Manager is unable to do his job.
What?
Libertatem: the only place democracy works
If that's the case, then that makes Humph and I even - no need to complain about that. Besides, your consolation prize is a Manager position.
Humpheria, congratulations on attaining your Board seat.
Alright, then it seems our problem has a fairly simple solution. Considering you are to be our next Manager of Internal Affairs anyway, do you think you could provide an updated list? (And if you have already, could you link us to it?)
If not, I could do it, but I'd need to be filled in on whether any nations on Muh's list have become ineligible for any reason, and on who exactly Mien approved.
The list is always kept up-to-date when the one hosting it is around.
I'll run through it anyways and personalize the entire office. I've done this before, man, you don't need to tell me what my job is.
Naw.
Humph, I'm simply stating the facts of the matter. Your side were sore losers following the Presidential elections and after working in government here, I'm more that aware how the incumbent government likes to ensure that their side gets the upper hand. I distinctly remember appeals to withdraw from races and offers of government appointments. Additonally, the AG's office has been negligent in prosecuting cases of espionage including a hacking attempt (!) of our top military official.
Is like to recommend the following changes to the citizens' registrar:
1. The list should be made more easily available with an explicit link on the WFE.
2. The list should include whether their citizenship was confirmed by the IA manager or Board and President.
3. The list should additionally include whether the applicant was required to wait.
Yes, but as we've seen, things fall apart in the absence of the host. Hence, this solution.
It's three days until the New Year. We can hold out until then.
1) While I was IA, there was a link to the registrar in the application, which I will return. There is also a link in the map page and the IA page. All three of these things are in the WFE.
2) I will list only special cases where the President has granted citizenship; the Board can only terminate the waiting period, not grant citizenship outright.
3) No.
That's up to President Miencraft, but I like the idea.
He has acknowledged the trial and is preparing for it accordingly. Perhaps a bit slowly, but this hardly constitutes negligence.
Perhaps there were sore losers (and, if my reaction was any indication, sore winners) shortly after my election, but I intend to distinguish no such thing during my Presidency. We are all Libertatemites, and thus we are all winners, as we work together not only to expand our influence as a NationStates power, but also advance in our endeavor to possess and distribute more of our namesake - liberty.
As a minister of Internal Affairs if I could add.
To point 3. The list should include the nation. It's puppets and what variant of citizen it is. Waiting times, answers and all of that are to be kept private to defend both the application sender and receiver. If they want their wait time revealed they may say it on the RMB
This is a good idea, actually, I'll mark foreign diplomats and list the confirmed WA nation alongside.
Regarding the trial, Kanatistan is not anyone's puppet, and I'm not sure where the allegations that he belonged to TTA or Einsiev came from. (I've known the guy since before he came to Libertatem!) All we know is that a few of our residents got bad login attempts and complained, the moderators identified Kanat as the culprit, and he confessed to it - there is no evidence to suggest that he is guilty of any other crime, and thus he should only be tried for this one.
Well that's what I meant by varient of citizen, but it doesn't matter.
Yeah make sure the list includes all it's registered puppets and it's holding WA Nation.
Let's not - otherwise, my entry would be the longest.
I thought you'd get the hint; the possessive form of "it" is "its".
I don't know what you're talking about negligence. The trial cannot be taken up, by law, until there is a defense attorney. How dare you insinuate that I am using my power to someway punish this region.
I don't see how forgoing the trial would help me or the RLP in any way. May I remind you that Pevvania, the Chairman of the RLP, was a target? Why do you possibly think to assume that I am filibustering this trial? I find your blatant accusations of abuse of my powers as not only insulting, but uncharacteristic of someone of your influence.
The RLP are the sore losers here, obviously. Never could it be someone who just lost an election after expecting a landslide following a Presidential victory.
No.
That would be appreciated... It's getting a bit silly when we can't even keep track who the heck we're talking about aka Kanatistan/Alak-Kangistan/Somethingstan/Funkystan.
Hmm, Funkystan is actually not a bad idea!
That's incorrect. There is sufficient evidence of attempted espionage which will be publicized in the trial if the non-existent Defense does not plea guilty.
Well I mean...Your puppets ade easy to notice, but it's the best way to keep up with others.
...Fascist.
Well I mean. A list of their puppets improves the ability to easily spot a puppet.
Whateverthehellyourideologyoftheweekisist
No it won't.
Besides, the citizenship register lists citizens; puppets of citizens are not citizens, and thus will not be listed.
Take, for example, Minovdigon. He's a puppet of mine, he lives here, but he's not a citizen, and shouldn't be treated as one, but he's a citizen's puppet regardless.
Well I mean. It's still nice to recognize possible puppets of each person in the region.
It helps my region with the Regional Citizenship Applicatory Plan I set up. Anyways. Just a suggestion.
Social Libertarian and Economic Centrist. Still.
...Not what I meant. I meant list it Under the nation's name as a puppet. Not a citizen. I can show you our regional roster if you eant an example of what I mean.
Their puppets carry no influence here unless they hold citizenship with a diplomatic puppet, and as such my Internal Affairs department will not acknowledge foreign puppets of citizens.
I know what you mean, but puppets can't be listed on a list that only lists citizens, because the puppets aren't citizens. Doesn't matter whom they belong to, they aren't citizens and won't be on the citizenship registrar.
Okay then... I'm not completely sure you understand, but it's your roster. Not mine. So you can run it however.
There's an easier way to say all that - moderate. More accurately, liberal moderate. Never thought you had it in you.
Ah, that changes things, then. Carry on.
Enough of this petty drama, both of you. You are both to be members of my Cabinet come January, and I shudder to think what will happen if bickering like this continues. (Oh dear, I seem to have delved into the drama myself.)
Liberal Moderate? Maybe...
Never thought I had what in me?
Now, I am going for a nice day with my family. DOn't blow anything up.
Moderation - you used to strike me as the rather extreme sort (or, at least, one prone to varying extremes).
Then what am I supposed to do with all of this dynamite?
What is your evidence? I did not commit and never planned on espionage nor sabotage.
Yes on the last part of the last sentence.
Me? I van get extreme. But a government centered around any form of extremism is a bad government.
What form of extremism did you expect me to be?
An apt observation.
No kind in particular, just some form of extremism to be replaced by another at some point in the near future. It seems that perception is no longer accurate, if it ever were.
Good God. A Communist anarchist to a State Socialist To an Anarchic Capitalist to a Fascist in that kind of a cycle.
That would be awful.
Got a good day of skiing in, what did I miss?
Nuthin much
Seat 4 elections going on?
You see the open election for Seat Five (a close race so far), but there's also a closed RLP primary for Seat Four (which you are in the running for). Humpheria's collecting the votes for that one.
Now i'm being blamed for being [nation=Shermanea], some dumb **** who keeps posting junk on RMB's.
To be fair your names are similar.
Just leave it alone. You know your not him. We know your not him.
Is he impersonating you?
Yes
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Ya think...
Your [nation=Shermanea]?
I was told that that was a primary.
Also, guys, "you are" is "you're", not "your".
Sorry, tired.
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