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Liberosia wrote:You can still support him. The executive branch will just use the veto power if his proposals are too outrageous.

Yeah.

Humpheria wrote:So you would add one thing? Mere posts ago you made it appear as I had written the whole damn thing in red crayon misspelling things and using cherub-esque mistakes.

One thing?

I said that meaning I have no idea why you guys write your laws so weirdly. The have little to no circumstantial detail. Anyway, I think they need to be more clear.

Miencraft wrote:Well, maybe a little, but nothing excessive.

Hahahahaha

Humpheria wrote:Hahahahaha

Yeah. Sure.

Ankha wrote:I said that meaning I have no idea why you guys write your laws so weirdly. The have little to no circumstantial detail. Anyway, I think they need to be more clear.

They are purposely written to be vague, so that they can be flexible and interpreted.

Ankha wrote:Yeah. Sure.

I can't laugh at a joke?

Humpheria wrote:They are purposely written to be vague, so that they can be flexible and interpreted.

I know, but the interpretation needs to BE CONSISTENT!!!

Humpheria wrote:I just don't like the idea of one branch being too powerful. You wrote the constitution, you can clearly see that the Board was not intended to be the supreme council of Libertatem.

Well when I wrote the constitution, the Board basically had no real power, so I think we might have moved on from my original intent slightly. Y'all turned the region into a Republic, so it seems that the legislature should be the prime authority (despite my reservations.)

Humpheria wrote:I just don't like the idea of one branch being too powerful. You wrote the constitution, you can clearly see that the Board was not intended to be the supreme council of Libertatem.

I think what I was going to do was something kinda like the way the US was supposed to work for stuff like this. Board votes on a thing, presents outcome to President or whoever, they consider, then do thing.

Humpheria wrote:I can't laugh at a joke?

I meant to quote Mien.

I tried to find that article, all i could find is Hump and muh talking about how they think pevs accent is sexy.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I tried to find that article, all i could find is Hump and muh talking about how they think pevs accent is sexy.

Wow. And is Pevvs accent the only thing about him you think is sexy Chris?? (Uhha)

Miencraft wrote:I think what I was going to do was something kinda like the way the US was supposed to work for stuff like this. Board votes on a thing, presents outcome to President or whoever, they consider, then do thing.

This, of course, gives the President the power to just go "nope, not doing that" if it's not suitable, goes back to the Board, Board changes it, pass go, collect $200.

It'll make more sense when I start writing it out and people start poking it.

Ill be back in a bit.

um i said it was Humpy and muh talking about pevs accent.

Liberosia wrote:Well when I wrote the constitution, the Board basically had no real power, so I think we might have moved on from my original intent slightly. Y'all turned the region into a Republic, so it seems that the legislature should be the prime authority (despite my reservations.)

Prime authority does not mean supreme rulers.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I tried to find that article, all i could find is Hump and muh talking about how they think pevs accent is sexy.

Pretty much sums it up.

Humpheria wrote:Prime authority does not mean supreme rulers.

I mean, but, dude, democracy

Liberosia wrote:I mean, but, dude, democracy

Dude, it's what the people have voted for and the House still exists, man.

I dedicate this daily video of mine to TTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFFWFkDAuM4&hd=1

Liberosia wrote:I'm not particularly concerned about your intellectual development. The mere exposure to new ideas and different conclusions about economics has created what I see as a massive shift for you. Provided your current moral premise, I can see you becoming a bleeding heart libertarian. There really is no justification for statism, my friend (I mean...uh...courts and stuff for all the minarchists out there.)

Ha! There are people more moderate than minarchists. I consider myself a classical liberal or pragmatic consequentialist libertarian, in the intellectual heritage of Bastiat, Hayek, and Milton Friedman. I generally am culturally liberal, being from the northern east coast, and I disdain conservatism, including more conservative forms of libertarianism* and I am skeptical of anarcho-capitalism. :)

*probably does not apply to you guys, but I have met racist "states rights" libertarians that I just roll eyes at.

Okay, I think I covered all of the contentious bits.

The changes are bolded: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=261654

Thoughts?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ha! There are people more moderate than minarchists. I consider myself a classical liberal or pragmatic consequentialist libertarian, in the intellectual heritage of Bastiat, Hayek, and Milton Friedman. I generally am culturally liberal, being from the northern east coast, and I disdain conservatism, including more conservative forms of libertarianism* and I am skeptical of anarcho-capitalism. :)

*probably does not apply to you guys, but I have met racist "states rights" libertarians that I just roll eyes at.

I follow you, ancapism is harder to get to when you're doing it all through economics. What is your philosophy?

The New United States wrote:Okay, I think I covered all of the contentious bits.

The changes are bolded: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=261654

Thoughts?

2:3 should mention that they can request the change only if the puppet to which the citizenship is being swapped has been here for 10 days.

The New United States wrote:Okay, I think I covered all of the contentious bits.

The changes are bolded: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=261654

Thoughts?

I like it except I would like to see something about all puppets being thirty days.

Humpheria wrote:I like it except I would like to see something about all puppets being thirty days.

If this is put in, then my suggestion still stands, but with that 10 becoming a 30.

Humpheria wrote:I like it except I would like to see something about all puppets being thirty days.

Then you have to define "puppet".

Miencraft wrote:If this is put in, then my suggestion still stands, but with that 10 becoming a 30.

It'll be done.

Ankha wrote:Then you have to define "puppet".

It already kinda is defined.

Miencraft wrote:It already kinda is defined.

Well then, define it.

The New United States wrote:It'll be done.

Cool. Other than that one change + Humpy's, this is basically exactly what I was going to do.

Ankha wrote:Well then, define it.

A secondary nation.

But I consider this my main nation.

A nation that is not your primary nation.

Humpheria wrote:A nation that is not your primary nation.

This is my primary. Biggest, most active...

Ankha wrote:But I consider this my main nation.

But you are transferring from a puppet *just saying*

Humpheria wrote:A nation that is not your primary nation.

In two words, secondary nation.

Yay.

Ankha wrote:This is my primary. Biggest, most active...

I was defining puppet for you, sir. Not referencing your case.

Okay, I changed it to where that nation must also be citizen eligible.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=261654

Humpheria wrote:I was defining puppet for you, sir. Not referencing your case.

Well then...Mr. Humpheria, would you please reference my case? (With all due respect)

The New United States wrote:Okay, I changed it to where that nation must also be citizen eligible.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=261654

I would have worded it

"Citizens are entitled the ability to exchange citizenship between the nations under their control that are eligible for citizenship"

Miencraft wrote:I would have worded it

"Citizens are entitled the ability to exchange citizenship between the nations under their control that are eligible for citizenship"

I'll put that in. I hadn't realized how convoluted I had made it, until now. Thanks!

The world wars show includes mcarthur, mussolini and lenin

Liberosia wrote:I follow you, ancapism is harder to get to when you're doing it all through economics. What is your philosophy?

Classical liberalism economically. I like things like the negative income tax as a replacement for welfare, and the expansion of charter schools. Although I also consider myself a moderate libertarian through and through, I sometimes disagree with Ron Paul or GJ's positions. I am a civil libertarian, prefer negative liberties unless positive liberties are shown to be rationally superior by a large margin, and am a flat tax advocate. I like the ideas of Mike Gravel and Robert Sarvis.

True philosophy? I like Descartes, Aristotle, and Kant. I also have some "Objectivist influences," but I am turned off by the dogmatism of it.

Miencraft wrote:I would have worded it

"Citizens are entitled the ability to exchange citizenship between the nations under their control that are eligible for citizenship"

o and add that humpy is First Citizen second only to the founder

Ankha wrote:Well then...Mr. Humpheria, would you please reference my case? (With all due respect)

I 1. Think you should have to wait thirty days and 2. Think that Anhka (any transferred nation) should also have achieved the necessary requirements. (ie. both nations have to have met the requirements for citizenship)

Northern Prussia wrote:The world wars show includes mcarthur, mussolini and lenin

The lenin twist was very surprising for me. So was the Mussolini one also.

Oh, should also include that any elected/Managerial positions will be transferred to the secondary nation alongside citizenship, because I have a feeling that not mentioning that will cause trouble later on.

The Amarican Empire wrote:o and add that humpy is First Citizen second only to the founder

Wut?

Miencraft wrote:Oh, should also include that any elected/Managerial positions will be transferred to the secondary nation alongside citizenship, because I have a feeling that not mentioning that will cause trouble later on.

Humpheria wrote:Wut?

It's funny because you got here after I did.

Well, technically I think you got here while I was CTE'd, but I had been here first.

I am also an artist/philosopher and not a economist or politician, so it can be kind of hard to relate to some of you guys.

Humpheria wrote:I 1. Think you should have to wait thirty days and 2. Think that Anhka (any transferred nation) should also have achieved the necessary requirements. (ie. both nations have to have met the requirements for citizenship)

1) I think I was here 30 days, and 2) Who decides this stuff ultimately? Pevv?

Also, when the poll got deleted, was I winning?

Miencraft wrote:Oh, should also include that any elected/Managerial positions will be transferred to the secondary nation alongside citizenship, because I have a feeling that not mentioning that will cause trouble later on.

Ankha wrote:1) I think I was here 30 days, and 2) Who decides this stuff ultimately? Pevv?

Also, when the poll got deleted, was I winning?

1) Ankhora was. Ankha was not.

2) Citizenship is the responsibility of the Manager of Internal Affairs.

Humpheria wrote:Wut?

o and declare 50 days if thanksgiving in his honor,give him the courts and elect him President for life. Hail to the Great Hump!

Miencraft wrote:1) Ankhora was. Ankha was not.

2) Citizenship is the responsibility of the Manager of Internal Affairs.

Is that Muh roads?

Ankha wrote:Is that Muh roads?

Presently, it is Muh Roads, yes.

Ankha wrote:1) I think I was here 30 days, and 2) Who decides this stuff ultimately? Pevv?

Also, when the poll got deleted, was I winning?

1. Anhkhora was only here for 17 days

2. It would be put in an amendment to FRAUD Act and the people would vote.

3. Yes, by one.

The Amarican Empire wrote:o and declare 50 days if thanksgiving in his honor,give him the courts and elect him President for life. Hail to the Great Hump!

I'm scared of you becoming Chairman.

Ankha wrote:Is that Muh roads?

Ja

behold, I have found Humpheria's true form: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/custom/images/large/50bc8520a1e20.jpg

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The Amarican Empire wrote:o and declare 50 days if thanksgiving in his honor,give him the courts and elect him President for life. Hail to the Great Hump!

Hail comrade humpy!!!!!!!

Miencraft wrote:1) Ankhora was. Ankha was not.

2) Citizenship is the responsibility of the Manager of Internal Affairs.

I believe he was talking about one of the amendments.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:behold, I have found Humpheria's true form: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/custom/images/large/50bc8520a1e20.jpg

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No, this is his true form.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/245/stormtrooper.gif

Republic Of Minerva wrote:behold, I have found Humpheria's true form: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/custom/images/large/50bc8520a1e20.jpg

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^^

Republic Of Minerva wrote:behold, I have found Humpheria's true form: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/custom/images/large/50bc8520a1e20.jpg

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That's great. And absolutely correct.

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Fontes Iuris Germanici Antiqu wrote:Hail comrade humpy!!!!!!!

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/258/6/0/profile_picture_by_no_face_plz-d49yok6.png

Humpheria wrote:I believe he was talking about one of the amendments.

I CAN STILL SAY THING.

Miencraft wrote:No, this is his true form.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/245/stormtrooper.gif

Only on Tuesdays.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I am also an artist/philosopher and not a economist or politician, so it can be kind of hard to relate to some of you guys.

Kant and Descartes? I know what you mean about the dogmatism of closed Objectivism, but there's a different branch (which I happen to be a part of) which is open to new observations on politics and ethics (refinement, mostly). Of the five branches of philosophy, what would you say your positions are? I'm on board with objectivist metaphysics and epistemology, although I hesitate on ethics and politics, as I am an ancap. What are your thoughts on Nietzsche and the post-modernists? Btw, I'd love to have a conversation with you over tg

Humpheria wrote:Only on Tuesdays.

*looks back at The Humpy Calendar*

Looks like Muh has a lot of fun then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYYS70eZSmE&hd=1

watch starting at 16:20

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=261666

The Amarican Empire wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYYS70eZSmE&hd=1

watch starting at 16:20

Whatchu tryna say ese??

I'm going to bed now. Good night.

Humpheria wrote:Whatchu tryna say ese??

Hump you are the Caesar of Libertatem which is why you should beware the Ides of March.

I swear to God if one of you stabs me Imma come back and haunt yo ass like punk. Feel me?

Okay. Anything else I may be missing?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=261654

I saw that video dedicated to me. I saw the first 10 seconds.

Yay Marxism.....and Centrism! And Left Libertarians.

But I'm not a Communist.

Humpheria wrote:I swear to God if one of you stabs me Imma come back and haunt yo ass like punk. Feel me?

To avoid getting stabbed I suggest moving to the Alaskan wood and build a compound with your own paramilitary.

The New United States wrote:Okay. Anything else I may be missing?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=261654

30 day puppet requirement.

Albenia wrote:But I'm not a Communist.

We see that communist flag, commie. Albania was the worst of them all, which was state capitalism disguised as communism, where the bosses of all corporations were also leaders of their local parties and in order to progress you had to be involved with politics.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:We see that communist flag, commie. Albania was the worst of them all, which was state capitalism disguised as communism, where the bosses of all corporations were also leaders of their local parties and in order to progress you had to be involved with politics.

Now that I think about it maybe that was Yugoslavia? Anyway it is basically the same deal.

Humpheria wrote:30 day puppet requirement.

Section II Subsection III

"Citizens are entitled the ability to exchange citizenship between the nations under their control, but only if the receiving nation is also eligible for citizenship"

Would it be better to actually say "30 days," instead of what I said?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:We see that communist flag, commie. Albania was the worst of them all, which was state capitalism disguised as communism, where the bosses of all corporations were also leaders of their local parties and in order to progress you had to be involved with politics.

I found the flag more fascist/monarchy.

Anyways. This is a puppet I'm not interested in doing anything. My flag on The Time Alliance profile is actually representing the ideology of Harmonism which is the main ideology of the ruling party, The Harmonist Party.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Now that I think about it maybe that was Yugoslavia? Anyway it is basically the same deal.

No you where right before that is the flag of Albania.

The is the flag of Yugoslavia

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yugoslav_Partisans_flag_(1942-1945).svg

Heres the deal. According to his application, Ankhora was the main nation. He stated he was NOT a foreign dignitary. He had NO indication that said he was had a true home elsewhere. Ankhora resided in Libertatem for over 10 days. We only accept puppets from citizens and allies of Libertatem.

Subsection I

[B]Any nation classified as a Citizen is entitled to the use of puppets[/B]

Subsection II

Said puppets ARE NOT Citizens, and do not have voting rights nor the right to stand for public office

Only citizens can hold puppets in Libertatem. Key words. Ankhora was NOT considered a puppet.

There is no sure fire way of knowing who is whom. I can do a basic bit of research and that's about it.

If the people are so vehemently against his citizenship, then so be it. I will move to have it revoked.

But clearly it says this is valid.

By the by, Ankhora has been in and out of Libertatem for 30 days at very least. Don't think i do not thoroughly research applicants.

Albenia wrote:I found the flag more fascist/monarchy.

Anyways. This is a puppet I'm not interested in doing anything. My flag on The Time Alliance profile is actually representing the ideology of Harmonism which is the main ideology of the ruling party, The Harmonist Party.

I always associate red and black with communism (Russian constructivism), however that makes sense too, given that communists usually don't have monarchist symbols.

Ankha wrote:But clearly it says this is valid.

Yes sir, you have done no wrong. As Manager of Int. Affairs, I stand behind my decision and will do what i can to defend you in this case. I'm due to be replaced soon (not because of this), but when i get the opportunities to open my mouth about the situation, i will.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I always associate red and black with communism (Russian constructivism), however that makes sense too, given that communists usually don't have monarchist symbols.

Not that this flag matters in my opinion. Only my main flag matters.

Muh Roads wrote:Yes sir, you have done no wrong. As Manager of Int. Affairs, I stand behind my decision and will do what i can to defend you in this case. I'm due to be replaced soon (not because of this), but when i get the opportunities to open my mouth about the situation, i will.

Now who to replace you with?

Albenia wrote:Not that this flag matters in my opinion. Only my main flag matters.

My main flag has a lemur on it. Doesn't mean I am one.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Now who to replace you with?

That's Pev's call. I'm his employee.

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