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Region: Libertatem
The issue with climate change is that climate change alarmists in the 90s put up "facts" saying that Manhatten would be underwater by 2015.
Well it's now 2015 and I don't think Manhatten is underwater.
Rateria, Noladen Colony
Well they we're estimates, not hard fact, though I dont really know if climate change is true or not though.
*were
Here's my flag proposal: http://i.imgur.com/603QNp0.png?1
Yes, I know, very simplistic. Don't ask me to explain it.
Noladen Colony
Post self-deleted by Condealism.
Oh, I even came up with an alternate flag proposal: http://i.imgur.com/2ZMfVYz.png
Basically, it's the French tricolor... but using only the colors from our current flag.
Noladen Colony
Since Condealism revealed his flag, I shall too ;3
http://i.imgur.com/jRGdxLw.png
Rateria, Teuberland
Won't put up anything this time, since ya'll seem to hate my flags.
Way too busy. Can't support.
Noladen Colony
Aujourd'hui, nous sommes tous français.
Today, we are all French.
Condealism, Teuberland
Post by People Of Pangaea suppressed by Condealism.
No, robots themselves could repair each other, here is an analogy, we have a special type of people who fix us when we malfunction, doctors.
You could have specialised robots that could repair each other, humans in the future will be completely replaceable.
There will be plenty being produced.
So what will drive capitalism without consumers as almost no one will have a job?
Hello, I'm a puppet from Krypton Nova (obviously) :)
Also I participate in the flag contest. I've already submitted my flag.
http://i.imgur.com/3nICVrC.png
Why are people sending me their flags? I'm part of this contest, too, guys!
What, you figure that when doctors get sick or need surgery they just fix themselves? They'd go see another doctor.
Now, why you can't do that with robots is because there are too many variables to account for that could possibly malfunction. You can't code a thing to consider every possible error, so the only alternative is to get a human who can actively think about what the problem is and how to fix it, rather than simply looking at the issue and trying a few simple procedures to fix an error that isn't actually there.
Rateria, Condealism, Parvimperia
Oh also here's what I did.
I can replace the bell with whatever.
http://i.imgur.com/DAiMcrj.png
What's this competition over?
Post by Bpsr Ambassador suppressed by Condealism.
LONG LIVE COMMUNISM!
New flag, because apparently there's hype for it again.
That's nice.
Krypton Nova Space Station
--Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, Yugoslavia, etc.
I agree. As a region we can't represent ourselves as anti-something. We ought to stand for something.
Rateria, Krypton Nova Space Station
Post by Bpsr Ambassador suppressed by Condealism.
Those countries weren't communist you moron. Communism is a stateless society. Get it right.
"We just came for discussion and debate ! Honestly!"
Yep, you're not here for any meaningful debate.
Since you're clearly just here to insult everyone I suggest you leave.
Rateria, Parvimperia
Why do you want to impose your ideology onto others? If a worker prefers capitalism over communism, what right do you have to force him into a communist society?
Miencraft, Pevvania, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland, Noladen Colony, Parvimperia
Every time someone starts a communist revolution, it ends in dictatorship.
Also, you'd need a state to keep that much order on such a large scale, and even it would fail.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Brasil The Hueland
Post self-deleted by Parvimperia.
Let's make a communist anarchy. So the human's natural desire for power leads him to use force for it, and that's allowed, because there's no state to control them.
Communism's ideas are retarded, and they never will get out of the paper.
Capitalism Uber Alles.
A juridical system could be in place without a state. There would be laws, justice, but no state. It's of course not pure anarchy.
Communist ideas are not retarded. They are just hard to realize. Especially since not everyone agrees on them.
What is your definition of a state? Does it have to have taxes to be a state? Wouldn't your judicial system eventually build a military large enough to declare itself a state? Or would you have PRIVATE militaries?
Post by People Of Pangaea suppressed by Condealism.
No, I never said that.
Don't misinterpret what I type.
Yes and repair bots can also repair other repair bots.
You are thinking of current day robots, dumb AIs, not general AIs.
Also doctors will soon be replaced, for example IBM's Watson.
Technological advances come from things becoming cheaper to make, it is already out there.
You obviously didn't watch the entire video.
http://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU
How about we go with a porcupine, the symbol of libertarianism? Worked for me.
Post by People Of Pangaea suppressed by Condealism.
No, a people's militia.
And what will motivate people to join said people's militia? Money? Where will they get it?
Agreed, no one should force their beliefs or ideologies on each other :)
Rateria, Condealism, Krypton Nova Space Station
Why does Pangaea keep coming back here, to piss you guys off?
Condealism, Parvimperia, Krypton Nova Space Station
When shall we start voting on the flags btw?
That sounds about right.
Rateria, Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
To add on, a capitalist society has no qualms with communes in which communists could run themselves. I'm sure the same could exist in communist societies, however.
Rateria, Condealism, Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
Muh Libertatem
Teuberland, Noladen Colony
A governing body that controls it's members and their actions. Might not be the correct definition though, so enlighten me if I'm wrong. And no, taxes are not necessary for it to be a state.
Why would a bunch of appointed judges want a military? Well they could have lot's of reasons... But they don't need a military. Why are we now talking about a military? I wasn't talking about a juridical system taking over the role of state.
Let me clarify myself:
- No state, no military, no police, no nothing that is connected to the state.
- Local judges appointed by the people who live in population center.
- You can ask the judges for help if you feel you've been wronged by someone.
Also private militaries is a dumb idea. Look at south-america.
Condealism, Noladen Colony
Post by Bpsr Ambassador suppressed by Condealism.
That is not the fault of communism.
Guys, our policy on enemy combatants and trolls has not changed. We are not a bulletin board for our adversaries.
Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, Noladen Colony
Rather annoying that we still have adversaries, but what are you going to do?
Anyway, I've handled the rest of the cleanup for Liberosia. Time to move on and see what we have for the flag competition so far:
Condealism Proposal 1 -
Condealism Proposal 2 -
Noladea Proposal -
Krypton Nova Proposal -
Miencraft Proposal -
Anyone else want to participate, or shall we petition the government to put this to a vote?
Rateria, Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
Vodka of course :p
Jk
Rateria, Noladen Colony, Parvimperia
Can I petition for no flag?
As in... no flag at all? Not the old one nor any of the proposals?
Question: What is going on with the flags and why don't I already know?
Rateria, Condealism, Noladen Colony
Robots can't even fold a napkin. This idea of self repairing robots so far seems far fetched.
>So what will drive capitalism without consumers as almost no one will have a job?
Wait, so we can't all be computer programmers? Or are the robots going to program the robots too? Holy sh!t, it's robots taking over the world.
In actuality, I don't really care about what might happen in 200 years time. We may still have a market, or we may have all our needs satisfied by robots. Either way, advocating any sort of central planning to achieve this is silly, particularly when almost all advancements in the technological sector in the last 20 years have been market driven.
It seems that most communists which aren't Stalinists advocating for an edgy revolution are mere political bums waiting around for technology to advance while advocating policies that do the opposite...
Miencraft, Parvimperia
So Kritarchy?
Mmm, loving that ancient Jewish law, are you. If the bible tells us anything, Kritarchy is a bad idea.
Yep =)
Don't really like any of the flag proposals. I think Nova's is the best, although I would change the phoenix? to gold (as it is hard to see on the blue field) and get rid of the fake wave.
Similarly, a gold torch on the same blue colored field I'd like the best, however I think torches are a bit overdone, especially since REATO already has the same design. Personally, I prefer a gadsden snake, as it epitomizes the pinnacle of the non-aggression principle, while preserving a bit of rebellious military flair.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=350693
Condealism, Noladen Colony
Lol, why do you think technological advances are becoming cheaper?
The government?
Rateria
We're having a contest to see who can design the coolest flag for Libertatem.
When we're done with that, we're thinking about holding a referendum to see whether the current flag should be replaced with the one we've chosen.
I like the gadsden snake, but I don't like how the site shrinks down the flag and makes it hard to see.
Speaking of which, I have some good advice for the other flag designers: You might want to rethink your designs if you have any small pieces or near-illegible icons on your proposals. We want something that'll stand out even when it's rescaled to have a maximum border of 100 pixels.
Miencraft, Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
Basically, just read the RMB. This is kind of a spontaneous thing.
Noladen Colony
I could see it.
I had text with the flag, remember.
Noladen Colony
No. As I said, those judges wouldn't replace the government. They wouldn't rule anybody. Kritarchy is were the judges would rule.
But never mind, we've gone way too far off topic anyway.
Noladen Colony, Linnuan Ambassador
Keep in mind that pursuant to the BANNER Act, the Board and President share control of flag and RMB so you would have to go through one of those channels.
Noladen Colony
Actually ancient Israel was the only country that God directly founded. It was without a central state and "every man did as he saw fit". It seems as though anarchy is the system of government that God rules by anarchy (of course it's screwed up by sin). But when Israel asked Samuel for a king God said that they weren't rejecting Samuel, they were rejecting Him. The bible says that kings will just tax you and make you fight wars.
Noladen Colony
*snaps fingers, clacks tongue, points and winks*
Noladen Colony
Note, I did not come here to flame, but to have a meaningful discussion, you obviously don't understand this concept and banned me, how do you expect peace to occur if you can't talk to people with different views?
@[nation=short]republic_of_minerva[/nation]
Robots can't fold a napkin?
http://youtu.be/5FGVgMsiv1s
Robots can do very intricate things, including surgery.
I said technological advancements comes from things becoming cheaper, maybe you should take a trip to spec-savers, for now it may be cheaper to employ humans, but in the future the price will drop and humans will be un employable.
Yes robots in the future will be able to take the job of computer programmers too.
Did you watch the full video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
When did I, at any point in this discussion about capitalism, advocate central planning, it is irrelevant to the conversation, you are moving the goal posts.
This is a straw-man.
"advocating any sort of central planning to achieve this is silly, particularly when almost all advancements in the technological sector in the last 20 years have been market driven.
It seems that most communists which aren't Stalinists advocating for an edgy revolution are mere political bums waiting around for technology to advance while advocating policies that do the opposite..."
I have no doubt this nation will be banjected by some Authoritarian who doesn't like discussion, go ahead send me to gulag :P
If I wanted to piss people off I would be edgy like BPSR Ambassador and say something along the lines of "boo capitalism"
I am frustrated that you can't tell the difference.
Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
Your entire argument is based around the strawman that robots will invalidate the free market. Yet you have provided no examples counteracting that point beyond theory.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=48821
https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/28/why-are-there-any-jobs-still-left
Miencraft, Noladen Colony
Well, now, isn't that strange. Lib put you on the banned list twice and you're still here. You say you're not here to flame yet in the same breath you criticize and insult us. You claim to want to have a meaningful conversation, but considering how often you've been coming in, posting, and leaving, it's pretty one-sided to me.
Look, I can't say I'm very pleased with this arrangement, because the truth is quite the opposite: I don't like being an enforcer of such crude policies, yet you seem not to get the picture. You are closely affiliated with individuals who desire nothing more than for us to be destroyed; do forgive me when I say you are not welcome here. There is a time and place to voice these concerns, a proper venue for this discussion, and my associates in this region are adamant that it is not here. We were once open to debates with our enemies on our RMB, and that privilege was heavily abused. They do not tolerate having their hospitality taken advantage of; why should we?
Take a hint, Pangaea. You, in particular, are not welcome here. I suggest you leave of your own free will.
Miencraft, Noladen Colony
I was thinking people would volunteer for mutual defence they have would have shared interests, e.g. the working class wouldn't want to give up it's gains (working class control of the means of production) so easily.
I actually want to learn what you Libertarians think and why you think it, I want to be able to understand what makes you tick, I do not want to broadly paint everyone as evil maniacal capitalist overlords as I have seen people do.
Everyone sees themselves as good, as the protagonist of their own life, no one wakes up and thinks "what evil can I do today".
Do you even libertarian transhumanism, bra?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_transhumanism
Condealism, Noladen Colony
*sighs heavily* I know he means well, but there are other allies of ours he can talk to. Besides, there's always telegrams and forums.
Miencraft, Noladen Colony
Last thing before I do as condealism asks.....
Please, please, watch the whole video first, particularly the example that uses horses.
http://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU
it is not a straw man, as it was the topic at hand
I will happily take a look into it.
We could continue this over telegram.
Noladen Colony
Thank you. I'm glad this could be resolved civilly.
Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
When shall the voting start for the flag?
Does anyone have any submissions before the vote?
Good question.
Well, the way I see it, this competition is going to have to be privately held. When it's done and we've chosen a result, we can ask either the President or the Board to replace the current flag with whatever wins the competition. (Granted, they may very well say "no", but it's worth a try.)
Noladen Colony, Linnuan Ambassador
I'll make a poll using a website that lets you make polls, ill put it up tomarrow just incase anyone else has any submissions :3
Linnuan Ambassador
Am I the only one who thinks that Trump reminds me of a more charismatic Nixon?
And that's bad. Really bad.
Noladen Colony
He's been oddly... distinguished, lately. It creeps me out.
Noladen Colony
Do you guys think law enforcement should be privatised?
Morning, as no else one has sent a flag submission yet, it's time to vote for the new flag for Libertatem
Here's the link = http://www.poll-maker.com/poll481580xBD394C34-19?s=res
Miencraft, Krypton Nova Space Station, Linnuan Ambassador
I'd say no. But it depends who gets control over law enforcement.
- If law enforcement is controlled by a government, they can abuse it to control the population.
- If law enforcement is controlled by a cooperation, they can abuse it to control their employees or even other cooperation's employees.
- If law enforcement was controlled by a dedicated entity, it might perhaps work, though corruption is a possibility.
I don't know what's best. I'd prefer to have no law enforcement at all, but that's just my opinion. So what's yours?
Teuberland, Noladen Colony, Linnuan Ambassador
Protip: Click on the flag, not the button.
Teuberland, Noladen Colony
Office of the President
Following the decline of any serious threat, the regional government is officially lifting the blanket ban on the Red Fleet. All nations not individually banned prior to the executive order are now not under penalty. However, any nation that comes to Libertatem to spam us, flame, or threaten our sovereignty will be banjected pursuant to site rules and Libertatem Law.
As a side note to all regional officers, remember that suppression is against regional law and that only the President and Founder (not other nations that have access to Lib) are permitted to ban or eject people. Thank you.
And happy late Pickle Day, which was yesterday.
Humpheria
President VI X
Libertatem
Condealism, Teuberland, Noladen Colony
So is Alderney and Liberty City v. Libertatem null and void now or was he individually banned before?
Noladen Colony
He was banned by President Road's executive order. It would still need to be repealed.
Noladen Colony
Ok thanks, I guess you were talking about a different executive order.
Noladen Colony
Out of curiosity, who are you comrades <(I call everyone this, it my word for friend or ally) voting for in the US,
I sadly cant yet, considering Im 14 :c.
*its
That's the possessive. You need an apostrophe.
Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station, Linnuan Ambassador
Oh, thanks :3
*it's
Krypton Nova Space Station
I'm 14 as well. Just asking, are any of my fellow Libertatemites surprised about my age?
Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
Also, Alderney and Liberty City is not and has never been a member of The Red Fleet, so the fact that the ban on TRF members has been lifted wouldn't affect him anyway.
When a libertarian says they're supporting Bernie Sanders
http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Black-Guy-Meme-Question-Marks-11.jpg
I'll say now that the 15th Amendment to the Constitution, the 'REDS Amendment', permits banjection of saboteurs and enemy combatants without trial. So Alderney's banning was both a correct and a legal action to take.
Muh Roads, Rateria, Noladen Colony
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll481580xBD394C34-19?s=res
On the polls for the new flag for Libertatem, Minerva Proposal is winning the polls by 3 points, following Miencraft Proposal that has 2 points.
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll481580xBD394C34-19?s=res
On the polls for the new flag for Libertatem, Minerva's Proposal is now tied with Krypton Nova's by 3 points.
If we're gonna change the flag, I'd like to see it changed to the French flag for a week, and then to Krypton Nova's proposal after that. But remember, guys - it's just a flag. :)
Miencraft, Condealism, Teuberland, Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
Anyway, better get back to my 3-hour arm workout!
Rateria, Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
If there are any changes that you guys wish to add to it, just ask, I still have the original layered version.
Also what do you think of my nation's flag? :p
Rateria, Noladen Colony
I think Minerva's proposed changes would be good: Change the bird to the color of the branch and get rid of the fake wave if possible.
Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station
So, does that mean we've settled on Krypton Nova's flag?
Just incase I shall end the vote in 5 hours from now, then choose the winner, you guys will have the french flag up for a week, and then put the voted flag up.
If either the Board or the President agrees, that is.
Noladen Colony
I hope they do then, good luck once it time to tell them :3
http://www.nationstates.net/region=lcrua
These guys have a cool idea: translate the WFE into another language and put them on in a factbook.
I know some people here speak Français, Deutsch, en Español...
Yrellian Confederacy, Rateria, Teuberland, Noladen Colony, Krypton Nova Space Station, Linnuan Ambassador
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