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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Britain doesn't have constitutional monarchy. A constitutional monarchy requires a constitution.

The UK does have a constitution you ignorant fool

The New United States wrote:Because I'm an American, loyal to a people, place, and culture over any ideology.

That being said, there is obviously a range among both democratic and monarchical leaders. I think that Trump is definitely on the better end of American politicians, and I think many of his most egregious shortcomings as President, like pressuring the Fed to kick credit expansion into high-gear, have been due to the fact that he must short-sightedly do what will make him more viable for re-election.

The solution, drawing from our rich cultural heritage as Americans, is not to make the President into an FDR-esque dictator for life, but it is to return to our roots of limiting suffrage to those with the biggest stake in our nation's long-term prosperity. If voting rights were limited to those deeply invested in their communities' wellbeing - like property owners and military servicemembers and veterans - then I think a lot of our problems with the socialists would be solved.

EDIT:

I think it might even be a good idea to limit voting rights to heads of household that have a minimum number of children under their care. It'd encourage folks to have more children and ensure that those voting have a legitimate stake in the future of our nation. Say, a minimum of three or four children per parental couple, for instance, would grant those parents the right to vote. No more childless catladies and nihilistic weenies voting our great nation into socialist, progressive oblivion.

Stripping many people of the right to vote in the present day doesn’t sound very libertarian to me. I understand that you want people to think about the long-term consequences of their decisions, which is an admirable sentiment, but this doesn’t seem like the way to do it. Not as many people are married, for better or for worse. Having multiple children also doesn’t automatically make you a good person, but you know this already.

America has changed greatly since the Constitution was established as the supreme law of the land. I don’t want to throw out the notion of limited government, but I despise the “Rights for me, none for thee” mentality. Once voting rights are taken from certain groups, wouldn’t that empower the government to seize them from others? I don’t want to use the slippery slope fallacy, but we must pay attention to precedent.

I disagree with your idea, but I think I can at least see where you’re coming from.

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Seeing Pete Buttigieg's stupid rat face all over the news tomorrow talking about how he had an awful Iowa finish is going to feel so sweet.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I'm sorry, but it must be invisible, because I can't see one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

Retard

Jadentopian Order wrote:Seeing Pete Buttigieg's stupid rat face all over the news tomorrow talking about how he had an awful Iowa finish is going to feel so sweet.

Of course I wake up to the rat king declaring victory with 0% of the polls in

The only song I want played at my funeral is careless whisper played by germans in lederhosen with tubas.

The New United States, Rateria

Kongeriget Island wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

Retard

An unwritten constitution doesn't count.

They don't have a constitution.

They just have a bunch of traditions.

Jadentopian Order

Miencraft wrote:An unwritten constitution doesn't count.

They don't have a constitution.

They just have a bunch of traditions.

You'd think after however long they've existed for, someone would say, "Hey, let's write the rules down and decide how to change them."

Miencraft

Miencraft wrote:An unwritten constitution doesn't count.

They don't have a constitution.

They just have a bunch of traditions.

Ah I forgot we had a constitutional attorney among us...

Kongeriget Island wrote:Ah I forgot we had a constitutional attorney among us...

Bro it does not take that much effort to get to that conclusion

Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Let's play a game. There are rules to the game. The rules are not written down though and may or may not come from a wide range of things that have nothing to do with eachother and from people and things that may have questionable authority and can be made up or changed at basically any time by whomever.

The game's name is Britain.

Rules are also just guidelines.

You just made me lose the game.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Don't have to be an attorney to understand what a constitution is.

Yeah and everyone except for idiots knows that the UK has a constitution

Kongeriget Island wrote:Yeah and everyone except for idiots knows that the UK has a constitution

No, they don't.

A constitution is a document. The UK has no such document.

The UK operates under British common law, which is what our constitution is partially based off of, but they themselves do not have a codified constitution. They instead refer to a series of acts and use them as precedent.

The New United States, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:No, they don't.

A constitution is a document. The UK has no such document.

You don't get to define what a constitution is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

Kongeriget Island wrote:You don't get to define what a constitution is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

It's literally just a series of traditions. There's no actual requirement that anyone abide by anything the UK constitution "says", and nobody actually knows how their government works because they never wrote it down anywhere.

They do not have a constitution.

It's literally just a series of words. There's no actual requirement that anyone abide by anything the American Constitution "says", and nobody actually knows how our government works because they never obey the Constitution anyway.

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Miencraft wrote:It's literally just a series of traditions. There's no actual requirement that anyone abide by anything the UK constitution "says", and nobody actually knows how their government works because they never wrote it down anywhere.

They do not have a constitution.

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about

New poll on if the UK has a constitution

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The Constitution is a clear, easy to read document that was ratified and made the supreme law, enforceable and still very much followed. Everyone who's can read can indeed get a pretty good of how the government works, even if they disagree on particulars.

"Still very much followed"

lol

Rateria

Kongeriget Island wrote:Yeah you don't know what you're talking about

ok

Mitt Romney is an enemy of the people

The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands

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Pevvania wrote:Mitt Romney is an enemy of the people

I believe he believes Trump is guilty.

Narland, Rateria

Mitt Romney should take his magic underwear and go back to Utah.

The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands

The Liberated Territories wrote:Mitt Romney should take his magic underwear and go back to Utah.

Back to Massachusetts, por favor.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The Liberated Territories wrote:Mitt Romney should take his magic underwear and go back to Utah.

He ain't from utah.

The New United States

The Liberated Territories wrote:Mitt Romney should take his magic underwear and go back to Utah.

You have capitalism and no taxes. How do you have an imploded economy

The New United States

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Americaa And Canada wrote:Trump hasn't done anything for the second amendment or unjust laws and passed this anti semetism bill which violates the first amendment trump is nothing but a pawn for the deep state the only difference between democrats and republicans is how fast they will take away your freedom
Most of us are under no illusion that Trump is a Libertarian, nor a Principled Conservative. Trump is Reform Party on all issues except one -- he firmly believes in the right to life for all of our posterity including our unborn.) As I have typed (over and over) Trump is a retaliation of fed-up voters. Hardly anyone voted for Trump because he is a perfect fit for them, except maybe those of us who wanted monkey wrench in the machinery of an increasingly illegitimate Federal state. Most people held their nose and hoped for the best because, Hillary.

Understanding Trump objectively is not difficult. It may be very hard to accept, but not difficult understand. Everything he wrote for the Reform Party (including policy development), and his books are out there for anyone to read. Those personas whom he has emulated (Peale, Guinness, Hill), are also out there to read.

I think we have different understanding of Deep State, what Trump represents (Reform Party platform sans right to life), and how the Swamp operates. . Specifically what the Progressivists perpetrated on the American People from the Spanish-American War onward as the "Rational Administrative State." The goal was to paraphrase Dewey, "bypass the Common Law (through administrative decree) without dismantling the Constitutions, and thus not provoke the ire of the American People." Basically a slow-moving bait-and-switch fraud perpetrated piece-meal over as many generations as it takes.

The Deep State is not an amorphous monolithic entity consisting of everything sinister. The Deep State is the bureaucratic apparatus established by Fabian Socialists and perpetuated by Progressivists to create intermediately a Socialist framework of governance so that Communism (for the Internationalists), or Nationalized Socialism/Fascism (for the Corporatists) may pollute free and open market Capitalism into a Marxist straw man (Cronyism) so as to prevail against our American Experiment. The Deep State and its political machinery is inimical to constitutional self-governance, equality of civil rights, the right to be and to own the means of our own production and all that it entails as human beings (the right to pursuit of happiness), and maximal liberty guaranteed by our several States and our Federal Union.

Trump is not the Deep State, nor is the Deep State, Trump Organization, LLC. They are two distinct power structures that are bent on destroying each other. This is a good thing that can be used for the advantage of a return to freedom that has been greatly diminished throughout the 20th Century. I see it as an opportunity of a lifetime to stop the Progressivist rot and a bloodless means to water the tree of Liberty (by supporting Trump in the Draining of the Swamp, and resisting any and all Statism that Trump supports).

Pevvania

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I am curious myself about what antisemitism bill. .

Some of us recognize Trump as a Cyrus to be a rod of punishment upon our own selves (those of us who bear the name of Christ) and perchance a staff to restore our peace (and maybe plant the seeds to restore the Republic). He is the President we deserve (for better and worse). He is a correction upon ourselves for our failure to love God (with our whole being), and to love our neighbors as much as we love our (ever-loving) selves thus failing to do justice (real justice), love loving-kindness (truth spoken lovingly/tough love), and walk humbly with our Redeemer (and not arrogantly as Caesar).

Nature has a way of rebuffing the generations who persist in their willful ignorance against Nature (and the nature of things). Nature's God has a way of rebuffing the generations of their willful defiance against righteousness/justice. They sew the seeds of their own self-destruction. We just don't want to be there when it happens.

The Liberated Territories wrote:Mitt Romney should take his magic underwear and go back to Utah.

Please, no. I don't want is brand of politics anywhere near me. Mit's political ideology will destroy the US as surely as his father's business practices destroyed American Motors.

Their pioneer forebears settled Chihuahua, Mexico to continue polygamy, while retaining American citizenship. I wouldn't wish him upon Michigan (they've suffered enough under GATT and NAFTA). He needs to go back to Massachusetts and fix what he broke there, or back to his familial Colony in Mexico and get their houses in order before trying to tackle Utah, or the US.

I would like to see the GOP remove counter-conservative, anti-republican (little r), and cyrpto-Progressivists from the rosters, but I am not holding my breath. The Romneys, McCains, Bushes, and Hatches are closer to the Clinton/Bezos/Soros factions of the Democrat Party (especially in regards to foreign policy and corporatism) and would be better off there as well.

Skaveria wrote:I believe he believes Trump is guilty.

I think that Romney believes Trump guilty of being undeserving.

The New United States

The United States Of Patriots wrote:He ain't from utah.

the virgin Mitt Romney vs the chad Mike Lee

https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1225207096255361024

The United States Of Patriots

Narland wrote:The Romneys, McCains, Bushes, and Hatches are closer to the Clinton/Bezos/Soros factions of the Democrat Party (especially in regards to foreign policy and corporatism) and would be better off there as well.

It's unfortunate that Latter-day Saints are represented in the political spotlight by such cowards as Romney and Flake. Hatch didn't serve well and wasn't particularly conservative, but he was at the very least a far more modest and decent figure than the aforementioned, opportunistic blowhards.

I thank God we have people like Mike Lee to carry on the liberty-minded conservatism that is found in such abundance in the Latter-day Saint canon and tradition. I can only imagine what Ezra Taft Benson or J. Reuben Clark would think of the neocon self-promoting hackery of Pierre Delecto or Flake.

The United States Of Patriots

The United States Of Patriots wrote:He ain't from utah.

Well he is Mormon and Utah is the Mormon Containment Zone.

The New United States

Speaking of Mormons, I wonder what TTA is doing right now...

Miencraft

The New United States wrote:It's unfortunate that Latter-day Saints are represented in the political spotlight by such cowards as Romney and Flake. Hatch didn't serve well and wasn't particularly conservative, but he was at the very least a far more modest and decent figure than the aforementioned, opportunistic blowhards.

I thank God we have people like Mike Lee to carry on the liberty-minded conservatism that is found in such abundance in the Latter-day Saint canon and tradition. I can only imagine what Ezra Taft Benson or J. Reuben Clark would think of the neocon self-promoting hackery of Pierre Delito or Flake.

Mike Lee is good about listening to his constituents, is knowledgeable on the Constitution, is reasonable and personable. I think his procedural understanding of the Constitution and the Common Law is flawed, but we have common ground with the same Constitution to advance Liberty and free enterprise.

With Romney there is not even that. His ambition is willing to compromise the very principles of Liberty. The Adminstrative State and their decrees seem to be his Basic Law, and the Establishment status quo his Constitution. I wish Romney well with his life, just not in the political arena.

The New United States

Americaa And Canada wrote:Trump hasn't done anything for the second amendment or unjust laws and passed this anti semetism bill which violates the first amendment trump is nothing but a pawn for the deep state the only difference between democrats and republicans is how fast they will take away your freedom

Part II: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly about Trump

The Good

Trump is a whirlwind of activity that expects results, not excuses. He is an amalgam of Norman Vincent Peale, Og Mandino, and Cyrus the Elder. He is kind to his friends and brutal to his enemies, and civil (for a Queens bombast) to everyone else. Typing of which, he assumes he is just one of everyone else -- he just works harder, faster, smarter and stronger than most in contradistinction to the political class who think they are apart from everyone else. Trump sees them and the Deep State as his enemies. They along with the Deep State consider him theirs.

Trump was forged in a crucible of military school studies, business acumen, and celebrity. Moreover, he is simple in his determination, and skilled at working within a system to maximize results, remove the obstacles of inefficiency, ineptitude, and incompetence (which he loathes) to achieve real things in real-time. He prides himself in beating others at their own game to leave his mark in the world.

These aforementioned are what he is and is what he does.

The Bad

Trump does not care about ideological consistency. Trump states that America is failing because:

>>>the working man has been forgotten. The solution is open markets with a federal safety net (the cost of which closes markets).

>>>foreign invasion stopped with a Great Wall and beautiful gates (by means of an unconstitutional federal police state).

>>>ending NAFTA (but not GATT -- the matrix by which all trade agreements must conform and the reason NAFTA could not but fail)

>>>bureaucratic strangulation (but not elimination of extra-constitutional bodies the reason for impoverishing over-regulation to begin with).

He wants solutions meaning results, that is demonstrable results in reality. He will delegate them to anyone whom he considers competent to the task, even if they are Swamp Creatures (Sessions, Bolton, Kavanaugh).

The Ugly:

He rarely apologizes. He is braggadocios and talks in hyperbole. He speaks in streams of consciousness for which he has no filter, but so do many other Americans. He has baggage.

His understanding is pretty binary -- you are either friend or foe. He is in the winter years of his life -- he not most likely not going to change.

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Speaking of Mormons, I wonder what TTA is doing right now...

TTA? Tri-State Transit Authority? The Three Amigos? The T'Avenging Angels? Task Team Amaretto? The Thorious Avengers? Trinitarian Theological Association? Theistic Thinking Apologists? ...

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I had to defend Romney today when someone claimed he had fled to Mexico because of polygamy charges and then fled to France to avoid the draft. The first was actually his grandfather, and the second was a missionary trip.

I can understand that.

Nobody deserves to be falsely accused. I have only voted for two GOP Presidents (Reagan and Trump). I did not support Bush 41 nor Bush 43.

Unfortunately I went back to college in 2000s for refresher courses and ended up defending W against some of the most bizarre accusations ever heard (until Trump). The false accusations obfuscated Bush 43s actual wrongdoings giving no ground for realistic dialogue. It made Bush's nuttiest supporters look sane in comparison and helped give him the victory in 2004.

The New United States

Narland wrote:TTA? Tri-State Transit Authority? The Three Amigos? The T'Avenging Angels? Task Team Amaretto? The Thorious Avengers? Trinitarian Theological Association? Theistic Thinking Apologists? ...

The Time Alliance.

Uhh, better to ask the others here.

Redacted. This is a better question for Stack Exchange.

Hey can anyone educate a foreigner on why Trump was impeached and why you think he's guilty/innocent

Mitt is done

Pevvania

Kongeriget Island wrote:Hey can anyone educate a foreigner on why Trump was impeached and why you think he's guilty/innocent

During talks with providing military aid to Ukraine, Trump mentioned how they should investigate curruption into a company Joe Biden's son is associated with. Since Joe Biden is a political rival of Trump's, this was interpreted as Trump threatening to withhold the aid unless the investigate his rival. So the first charge of impeachment was about collusion with a foreign power to subvert democracy.

The second was because the white house used executive privilege to not cooperate with the DOJ in overturning documents. Even though they have the legal right to do that, the house proceeded in calling that "obstruction of congress." The second article of impeachment.

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Some Mormon.

One of many of the Mormons and Jews that have occupied this region's government.

He never occupied regional office, did he?

Strange guy, that TTA.

Besides him, Patriots and I are the only Latter-day Saints to have been actively involved in the region, no?

Skaveria wrote:During talks with providing military aid to Ukraine, Trump mentioned how they should investigate curruption into a company Joe Biden's son is associated with. Since Joe Biden is a political rival of Trump's, this was interpreted as Trump threatening to withhold the aid unless the investigate his rival. So the first charge of impeachment was about collusion with a foreign power to subvert democracy.

The second was because the white house used executive privilege to not cooperate with the DOJ in overturning documents. Even though they have the legal right to do that, the house proceeded in calling that "obstruction of congress." The second article of impeachment.

Then maybe we should censor and recall Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff and Mad Maxine for "obstruction of president" in their blocking of welfare reform, immigration reform and infrastructure bills?

The New United States

I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone here that this impeachment process was a shameful, partisan sham from start to finish. Clinton, who essentially used the powers of the federal government to conceal a personal affair, was impeached on greater charges than this, and he really did not deserve that fiasco either. At least perjury and obstruction of justice are actual crimes, unike "abuse of power" and "obstruction of congress", neither of which are found in the criminal code.

And even if he did commit the horrifying act of trying to investigate corrupt deep state shill Joe Biden, that is well within his electoral mandate of draining the swamp and upholding his oath to the Constitution, which has been continually trashed and abused by decades of federal overreach and systemic corruption at the hands of opportunistic bad actors like Biden, Comey, Johnson, Roosevelt and so on. Perhaps he shouldn't have done so in such a blunt and feckless fashion, but nevertheless, it's very clear this is just another witch hunt.

Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Skaveria

Pevvania wrote:"obstruction of congress"

Congress talks a big game about how necessary oversight is and then when the President rightfully attempts to subject Congress itself to oversight they whine about obstruction.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States

Obama actually had scandals. Trump just tweets when he is POed.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States

The New United States wrote:Besides him, Patriots and I are the only Latter-day Saints to have been actively involved in the region, no?

Evil genius land is also LDS

Kongeriget Island wrote:Hey can anyone educate a foreigner on why Trump was impeached and why you think he's guilty/innocent

Re: Q1 Long Answer

Hillary and all of the hopes and dreams the Progressivist Narrative that the Leftists have painted her thereby was supposed to be President. The fix was in. Only something evil could thwart that. Trump is that evil. He “robbed” Hillary and the Left of "their Presidency."

Moreover, Trump represents everything about America that the DC Establishment and their ilk have been taught to hate. Trump throughout his life has been successful at beating systems at their own game. This is unbelievable to those who have rigged the system and they are certain that he must have cheated somehow.

The Left continuously iterates that traditional Americans are ignorant, unlearned, unwashed Deplorables who cling to God and our guns, and by implication we must be put down. Trump has (for better or worse) become our champion. Unlike Reagan who merely set the Leftists back 20 years in the Marxification of the US, Trump (in their minds) has the means to stop them in their tracks.

Trump represents an America that does not need them (Leftists). Socialism (the models espoused by the 1st Internationale) and its offshoots (Communism, Fascism, National Socialsim, Corporatism, Syndicalism ad naseum), are abject failures. For Conservatives the only alternative is to returning to the American Model of Free Enterprise, Maximal Liberty and Limited Government as a Federal Republic established on Classical Liberal Principles that they abandoned long ago. Free enterprise capitalism, coupled with Republican Self-Government and Classical Liberal Limited Government is the most successful model for pulling people out of poverty more quickly and most sustainably than any other model the world has ever known. Leftists cannot stand it as it goes against their belief in an infallible Socialist/Marxist state).

Trump is the Anti-Obama. Leftists are afraid Trump will destroy everything that they have built to turn the US Marxist over the last 120 years in their persistent push into a Socialist State. He has stated that we will go back to Freedom. He has stated unequivocally that America will never become a Socialist country (we already follow 9 out of the 10 blanks of the Communist Manifesto), all we need is to misconstrue the Imminent Domain laws just a bit further. Trump wants to disestablish all of it.

In the areas where Trump agrees with Leftists politically (half of Trumps policies) they will not support him. It is repugnant to them that their message should be delivered by such a monster. In their minds, the only thing for which Trump is fit, is to be castigated as the racist, sexist, misogynist, islamophobe, (place phobe flavor of the month here), they need him to be to continue their fictional narrative, retain their political base, and press forward in the deconstruction of the US.

The Leftists see Trump and his supporters as wholly totally evil. Leftists will use all political means to remove Trump from office. They saw Impeachment as that means, and since before Trump was sworn in they looked for any excuse. Trump's inquiry into the corruption of Ukraine was what they went with. It failed.

Re: Q1 Short Answer

Hillary and all of the hopes and dreams the Progressivist Narrative that the Leftists have painted her thereby was supposed to be President. The fix was in. Only something evil could thwart that. Trump is that evil. He “robbed” Hillary and the Left of "their Presidency."

The Leftists see Trump and his supporters as wholly totally evil. Leftists will use all political means to remove Trump from office. They saw Impeachment as that means, and since before Trump was sworn in they looked for any excuse. Trump's inquiry into the corruption of Ukraine was what they went with. It failed.

Re: Q2. Short Answer

Trump is guilty of being Trump. The Leftists in this nation are so close to implementing full blown Socialism they can taste it. The Right in the US (those who believe in Freedom, Liberty, and Equality; are both anti-fascist and anti-communist; and cling to their God and their guns) and whom Trump has interposed himself between, are the last hindrances to realizing their goal. He must be destroyed so they can continue on their course of criminalizing the rest of us who reject their delusions.

Miri Islands

I decided who I am going to support for president.

Vermin Supreme 2020

Rateria

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As the regional leftist I would like to say Hillary Clinton is not and will never be remotely close to a leftist

Rateria

Any of you who are familiar with college canvassing and mass flyering, what are some effective strategies/locations in your experience?

Jadentopian Order wrote:As the regional leftist I would like to say Hillary Clinton is not and will never be remotely close to a leftist

I agree. She is a Crony Mercantilist cut from the same Keyneseian and Rhodesian cloth as Bush, Romney. Their differences is in their ethics (social liberal vs social conservative). The only distinction in their foreign policy is they disagree in which petty dictators to prop or depose, and would support opposite sides of the skirmishes their identical foreign policy model creates.

However, that is not how she has been painted, i.e., the Establishment Narrative is that she is a champion of the Left. She is Leftist enough for The Hard Left, and Moderate enough for the Soft Left. They have been painting this lie for decades. Intellectual and philosophical sincerity is not their forte.

The New United States

Skaveria wrote:Any of you who are familiar with college canvassing and mass flyering, what are some effective strategies/locations in your experience?

Student Union Building,

the cafeteria areas that are most laid back,

study halls,

dorms

the library forum and the students in the lieberry,

the Quad Forum (or your schools equivalent),

outside the colosseum and auditorium halls (dance, theatre, or whatever it is or they are),

the primary parking areas,

the college Business District (if your school allows there to be one).

Public bulletin boards in and around the campus (especially coffee shops and restaurants, but any business where a student might shop).

Some companies allow free advertising for being a College Group -- public transit (in/on bus and benches that have advertising), nearby shopping malls, etc.

Get a map of the campus, and assign routes and areas so everyone is on the same page.

Assign charismatic "face-things" (ei, facemen) to wear distinctive livery (t-shirts or even a button) to create a positive impression and associate the flyers with fellow students as they are being passed out.

Get a booth in the student union building and other areas for events where booths are appropriate.

I hope some of that helps.

What not to do:

Don't use clowns, mimes or puppeteers (i don't know why personally, but i was told to never do that again) :D

Don't rent a blimp (few people look up or around these days with their smart phones)

Don't dress as Batman (Warner Communications might sue)

Narland wrote:I agree. She is a Crony Mercantilist cut from the same Keyneseian and Rhodesian cloth as Bush, Romney. Their differences is in their ethics (social liberal vs social conservative). The only distinction in their foreign policy is they disagree in which petty dictators to prop or depose, and would support opposite sides of the skirmishes their identical foreign policy model creates.

However, that is not how she has been painted, i.e., the Establishment Narrative is that she is a champion of the Left. She is Leftist enough for The Hard Left, and Moderate enough for the Soft Left. They have been painting this lie for decades. Intellectual and philosophical sincerity is not their forte.

I have to disagree on the second part. What do you mean by the hard left? Socialists and Anarchists? None of them like Hillary remotely, in fact, many of them openly mock her and her supporters. She is nothing more than a corporate puppet.

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:I have to disagree on the second part. What do you mean by the hard left? Socialists and Anarchists? None of them like Hillary remotely, in fact, many of them openly mock her and her supporters. She is nothing more than a corporate puppet.

In American terms, the "hard left" is Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, et al., who verge on being or outright claim to be democratic socialists. Many of these people found Hillary Clinton [I]at least[/I] acceptable enough to endorse her in 2016.

Narland

Jadentopian Order wrote:I have to disagree on the second part. What do you mean by the hard left? Socialists and Anarchists? None of them like Hillary remotely, in fact, many of them openly mock her and her supporters. She is nothing more than a corporate puppet.

Part I of II

Hard Left (the Progressivist Movement more specifically); but those in the US who since the 20th Century have advocated the transformation of the United States from a Free Republic to a Socialist Democracy politically and institutionally including but not limited to various movements in general and those who since 1968 in particular have primarily used the Democrat Party, the Administrative State, and co-opted institutions to accomplish their goals, intermediately and finally.

But that misses the point. The point is the Leftists have portrayed her a certain way (champion of the Left) in order to further their goals since the 1960s. Once the Hard Left has "progressed" farther Leftist than she, she can be discarded for younger more radical subversives.

The rise of social media has laid many things bare, including duplicity. One can no longer be a political chameleon, pretending to be something in one town and then something utterly other in the next city over. This was something the Clintons were very adept at.

The New United States, Rateria

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Skaveria wrote:Any of you who are familiar with college canvassing and mass flyering, what are some effective strategies/locations in your experience?

I'm actually volunteering as a canvasser with a local campaign right now! I've done quite a bit of it before too. Generally I knock and ring the doorbell once, wait maybe ten to twenty seconds, then move on. I don't argue when they say no and have a smile ready at the door when they answer. My brother is working the campaign as well, and when canvassing a stoner college student's door who asked what party our candidate is, he said she was an "independent candidate for change". She is officially nonpartisan so that's technically true, but regardless it's good to tailor your message to the individual being canvassed.

Narland, Rateria

Coronavirus is germ warfare

Jadentopian Order

Pevvania wrote:I'm actually volunteering as a canvasser with a local campaign right now! I've done quite a bit of it before too. Generally I knock and ring the doorbell once, wait maybe ten to twenty seconds, then move on. I don't argue when they say no and have a smile ready at the door when they answer. My brother is working the campaign as well, and when canvassing a stoner college student's door who asked what party our candidate is, he said she was an "independent candidate for change". She is officially nonpartisan so that's technically true, but regardless it's good to tailor your message to the individual being canvassed.

Are you doing a YAL Win at the Door type of thing, or just volunteering locally?

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:I have to disagree on the second part. What do you mean by the hard left? Socialists and Anarchists? None of them like Hillary remotely, in fact, many of them openly mock her and her supporters. She is nothing more than a corporate puppet.

Part II of II

Most countries were born out of tyranny and despotism. Their right (conservatives) try to conserve that status, and their radicals (the left) tended to fight for more Liberty and Equality. The United States was born of extreme Liberty and determined to propagate uncompromising Equality. Our right (American conservatives) try to conserve that status (defending perpetrative extreme Liberty and expansive Equality/Civil Rights). Our radicals (the American Left) try to fight for more State control (even going so far as using Liberty and Equality/Civil Rights as an excuse to do so). It robs the People of our self-determination and self-governance. So our spectra tend to be reversed.

Objectively, the American Political Spectrum pits Statism on the left and Individualist Anarchy on the Right.

Classical Liberalism as expressed by a Polity of Federally Constituted Republicanism composed of an ethical Free People in a Free and Open Society living in mutual self-interest (e.g., only force and fraud forbidden), who freely engage (in mind and body) in free and open markets living in mutual self-interest (engaging in industry and enterprise) and are free to worship God (or not) according to the dictates of their own conscience is the golden mean. The operative words being Liberty, and Equality.

Most forms of Afro-Eurasian governments historically are Left of American Center, and many forms of Amerind and Aleut-Eskimo governance (such as the Oneida Tribe) are Right of American Center. All forms of utter Totalitarianism whether expressed as Tyranny, Oligarchy, Democracy or an admixture of them is as extreme left as it gets. Anarchy is as extreme right as it gets.

All those advocating more Statism/Totalitarianism, whether Feudalism, Monarchism, Socialism, Administrative Democracy, Marxism, Fascism, Corporatism ad infinitum, are Leftist. All those advocating less Statism/Totalitarianism, and more Liberty, Freedom, Free and Open Markets, Personal Responsibility, and Rugged Individualism, are Rightist.

Some things that complicate the issue is that some people who think they are Conservatives are not conserving their American political heritage, but are conserving the status quo of their normative lifestyle (whether it is objectively Conservative or not). They tend to be Neoconservatives, Social Conservatives, but that does not necessarily mean they are principled Conservatives (in the Classical Liberal sense).

Narland wrote:Part II of II

Most countries were born out of tyranny and despotism. Their right (conservatives) try to conserve that status, and their radicals (the left) tended to fight for more Liberty and Equality. The United States was born of extreme Liberty and determined to propagate uncompromising Equality. Our right (American conservatives) try to conserve that status (defending perpetrative extreme Liberty and expansive Equality/Civil Rights). Our radicals (the American Left) try to fight for more State control (even going so far as using Liberty and Equality/Civil Rights as an excuse to do so). It robs the People of our self-determination and self-governance. So our spectra tend to be reversed.

Objectively, the American Political Spectrum pits Statism on the left and Individualist Anarchy on the Right.

Classical Liberalism as expressed by a Polity of Federally Constituted Republicanism composed of an ethical Free People in a Free and Open Society living in mutual self-interest (e.g., only force and fraud forbidden), who freely engage (in mind and body) in free and open markets living in mutual self-interest (engaging in industry and enterprise) and are free to worship God (or not) according to the dictates of their own conscience is the golden mean. The operative words being Liberty, and Equality.

Most forms of Afro-Eurasian governments historically are Left of American Center, and many forms of Amerind and Aleut-Eskimo governance (such as the Oneida Tribe) are Right of American Center. All forms of utter Totalitarianism whether expressed as Tyranny, Oligarchy, Democracy or an admixture of them is as extreme left as it gets. Anarchy is as extreme right as it gets.

All those advocating more Statism/Totalitarianism, whether Feudalism, Monarchism, Socialism, Administrative Democracy, Marxism, Fascism, Corporatism ad infinitum, are Leftist. All those advocating less Statism/Totalitarianism, and more Liberty, Freedom, Free and Open Markets, Personal Responsibility, and Rugged Individualism, are Rightist.

Some things that complicate the issue is that some people who think they are Conservatives are not conserving their American political heritage, but are conserving the status quo of their normative lifestyle (whether it is objectively Conservative or not). They tend to be Neoconservatives, Social Conservatives, but that does not necessarily mean they are principled Conservatives (in the Classical Liberal sense).

Go preach to the "conservatives" on the Nationstates forum. They'd likely call you a liberal, and deny you are a conservative.

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Narland wrote:[spoiler=-SNIP-]Part II of II

Most countries were born out of tyranny and despotism. Their right (conservatives) try to conserve that status, and their radicals (the left) tended to fight for more Liberty and Equality. The United States was born of extreme Liberty and determined to propagate uncompromising Equality. Our right (American conservatives) try to conserve that status (defending perpetrative extreme Liberty and expansive Equality/Civil Rights). Our radicals (the American Left) try to fight for more State control (even going so far as using Liberty and Equality/Civil Rights as an excuse to do so). It robs the People of our self-determination and self-governance. So our spectra tend to be reversed.

Objectively, the American Political Spectrum pits Statism on the left and Individualist Anarchy on the Right.

Classical Liberalism as expressed by a Polity of Federally Constituted Republicanism composed of an ethical Free People in a Free and Open Society living in mutual self-interest (e.g., only force and fraud forbidden), who freely engage (in mind and body) in free and open markets living in mutual self-interest (engaging in industry and enterprise) and are free to worship God (or not) according to the dictates of their own conscience is the golden mean. The operative words being Liberty, and Equality.

Most forms of Afro-Eurasian governments historically are Left of American Center, and many forms of Amerind and Aleut-Eskimo governance (such as the Oneida Tribe) are Right of American Center. All forms of utter Totalitarianism whether expressed as Tyranny, Oligarchy, Democracy or an admixture of them is as extreme left as it gets. Anarchy is as extreme right as it gets.

All those advocating more Statism/Totalitarianism, whether Feudalism, Monarchism, Socialism, Administrative Democracy, Marxism, Fascism, Corporatism ad infinitum, are Leftist. All those advocating less Statism/Totalitarianism, and more Liberty, Freedom, Free and Open Markets, Personal Responsibility, and Rugged Individualism, are Rightist.

Some things that complicate the issue is that some people who think they are Conservatives are not conserving their American political heritage, but are conserving the status quo of their normative lifestyle (whether it is objectively Conservative or not). They tend to be Neoconservatives, Social Conservatives, but that does not necessarily mean they are principled Conservatives (in the Classical Liberal sense).[/spoiler]

In what sense of the word "equality" are we talking about "uncompromising equality?" Individuals' equality before the law, or some kind of inherent equality between all men?

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Freedom of conscience isn't a very popular thing within the American Right.

I'd say it's at least more popular on the right than on the left.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland

The New United States wrote:In what sense of the word "equality" are we talking about "uncompromising equality?" Individuals' equality before the law, or some kind of inherent equality between all men?

In the Classical Liberal sense where Liberty and Equality are complimentary to each other. Liberty is the freedom to do as one ought (fulfull his uncoerced contractual obligations and not infringe upon the Liberty of others. Equality is treating others and being treated no more or less than anyone else given the Liberty they have. E.G., If I am in a bank queue Elon Musk has no right to cut in front of me for being rich than Oscar the Grouch does for living in a trash can.

Oops, sorry, I was under the gun (short on time) and thinking faster than I meant to type. That should have been unrelenting equality. Sorry. The compromise was in stopping the slave trade, but passing the question of abolition on to the next generation, a portion which I deleted.

The concept of Equal Justice for all was unrelenting and set the stage to allow each generation to advance the cause of Liberty and Equality to allow women to own real property in their own right, for the advancement of abolition, and Civil Rights.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Go preach to the "conservatives" on the Nationstates forum. They'd likely call you a liberal, and deny you are a conservative.

*face-palm*

That is the point. American Conservatives are Conserving Classical Liberalism, not Monarchism, and certianly not some form of Socialism, Fascism, or Communism) or some other anti-republican system of governance. American Socialists long ago Co-opted the term Liberal and use it to progressively advance Socialism and Marxism. In America Classical Liberals are considered Conservative Right Wing Extremists by the Leftists.

When I was in France, I was considered an "unenlightened" Classical Liberal. Unenlightened because as a traditional American I am at the very least un-Socialist, and the the most Anti-Socialist. I had no place on their Spectrum except for a local party composed of some Duck hunters that were squeezed into a middle right that were still bloody Socialistic). In Spain I was a (well I can't repeat what they called me in Barcelona), and when I lived in the UK the Conservative Party had a good time at my expense on issues of divergence since they were conserving (somewhat poorly) UK polity, and I was conserving the opposition to King George III style US federal republican liberalism.

The United States Of Patriots

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Freedom of conscience isn't a very popular thing within the American Right.

Of course it is. Leftists, like anything they wish to subvert have merely redefined the term to mean "do whatever you want even if it is unconscionable -- violates conscience," making it unrelated to its legal and political usage, and meaningless for political discourse.

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States

the oscars are terrible and only award movies that are leftist in other news water is wet

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:the oscars are terrible and only award movies that are leftist in other news water is wet

As a vendor of dehydrated water I beg to differ.

Narland

🦀Capitalists mad, go Parasite!!🦀

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Freedom of conscience isn't a very popular thing within the American Right.

Are you joking? Maybe in 2000 but these days the left is the dogmatic side. You're branded a heretic if you deny anything the left takes as divine truth be it systemic racism, communism, climate change doomsday cult and others

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Kongeriget Island

Miri Islands wrote:Are you joking? Maybe in 2000 but these days the left is the dogmatic side. You're branded a heretic if you deny anything the left takes as divine truth be it systemic racism, communism, climate change doomsday cult and others

Don't forget being run out of business for not baking a cake, or being taken to the Supreme Court because you would rather not pay for employees' birth control. Any business owner that tries to live their faith fully and according to the dictates of their conscience is a possible target for destruction by the tolerant left.

Narland, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:the oscars are terrible and only award movies that are leftist in other news water is wet

It makes the Razzy Awards that much more enjoyable!

Wilhelm, once again, trying –and failing– to be edgy

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Freedom of conscience isn't a very popular thing within the American Right.

It depends on what kind of right-winger you're talking to. If you're talking to my 83 year old evangelical grandfather, you're gonna get a much different impression of a conservative than a 22 year old who's a college Republican.

Although, after having a conversation with him about what Libertarianism is (I occasionally use his printer to print LP posters) he told me he was open to the idea of medical marijuana. That's a HUGE deal for him. He was only a boy when WWII ended. He's told me he remembers folks dancing in the streets at the news of an allied victory. He's been subject to two and a half generations of propaganda surrounding marijuana. I was VERY proud of him. (I know that seems like a disrespectful thing to say about your elder, but I mean no disrespect)

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ok im a bit late on this show but designated survivor wastes a interesting concept with needless PC lecturing.If you are not familar its a show where kiefer sutherland plays a hud secretary who is forced into the presidency by a devestating terrorist attack on the SOTU. It should be an interesting thriller which goes through the hypothetical of what would happen to the US if an unelected, very much unprepared bereaucrat is forced jnto the positon of the commander in chief of a country facing an unprecented challange of having the enitre federal gov brought to its knees but it is wasted by pointless lectures on the treatment of immigrants by those evil republicans, police, and military.

Pevvania, Narland

Suzi Island wrote:ok im a bit late on this show but designated survivor wastes a interesting concept with needless PC lecturing.If you are not familar its a show where kiefer sutherland plays a hud secretary who is forced into the presidency by a devestating terrorist attack on the SOTU. It should be an interesting thriller which goes through the hypothetical of what would happen to the US if an unelected, very much unprepared bereaucrat is forced jnto the positon of the commander in chief of a country facing an unprecented challange of having the enitre federal gov brought to its knees but it is wasted by pointless lectures on the treatment of immigrants by those evil republicans, police, and military.

I had to stop watching because of it. The new president breaks the constitution almost every episode. The show is extremely partisan as well. It sucks because I actually find politics, even fake politics, quite engaging, but shows like this, Madam Secretary, and their progenitor, West Wing, all do the insidious work of presenting themselves as centrist, but actually being center-left. The reason that's awful is because they shift the overton window so that mainstream conservatism is where fascism used to be.

Pevvania, Narland

should i do more tv/ movie reviews

Designated Survivor is boring and unrealistic. The thought that Republican governors would call for a halt on all immigration at once (Season 1) is an absurd caricature and one no president would accept outside of a time of war.

The West Wing, however, is a classic, despite its biases.

Venomringo

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Pevvania wrote:The West Wing, however, is a classic, despite its biases.

West wing has poisoned the minds of americans

Narland

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