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Region: Libertatem
Your Citizens: "Why did our government classify us as a Chancellor of War? Tired of this bs."
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
sh*tizens pls
Rateria
Imagine how mad the Miencraftic people are right now.
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
My Citizens: "Why the hell are we a Chancellor of State?"
All in favor of forcing Miencraft, Pevvania, and The Aradites into the Senate regardless of whether or not they want to serve?
Humpheria, The Ambassador To The Clfr
Wouldn't that be ironic in a region like this?
Condealism, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots
If we can't do NS stamps, could we do a regional RP, or one that at least promotes the region? I've had an itch to do something post-apocalyptic as of late.
Here are the ones I'm leaning towards:
--An RPG based off of A Canticle for Leibowitz, which is a novel about a Roman Catholic monastery that tries to preserve and recover pre-nuclear war artifacts after said nuclear war causes a purging of scientists, teachers, and eventually the literate to the point that civilization scarcely exists.
--Revolving around Crusader Kings II's mod After the End, which uses some allusions to the above (widespread Catholicism and a St. Louis-based papacy) and is set in a medieval-tech level North America hundreds of years after an unknown cataclysm causes a collapse of civilization.
We could easily slip in-game references or simply promote our region now and then in the game.
That we reached a point in our nation's history wear a bunch of clueless idiots led by a people pissed off over not getting a check can stop a legally permitted pipeline that was blessed, not once, but twice, by federal judges and an appellate court.
Trump cannot take over too soon.
Pevvania
booooooo fuk the pipeline!
to sum up my feelings:
>indians: we dont believe in property
>dapl appears
>muh property
Miencraft, Pevvania, The Ambassador To The Clfr
Although I am a libertarian, I very much believe in the idea of socialization of memes.
Go for it!
Rateria, Teuberland
As one of the dankest meme dealers on the internet
goo.gl/mdxV0x
Pevvania, Rateria
All cultural issues can be solved by the free market.
Pevvania
Is "can" necessarily the same as "should" in this context?
Muh Roads, Rateria
Adam Kokesh is a cuck
Republic Of Minerva
Michael Moore cracks me up.
https://youtu.be/pqoKqKfeRgU
May I ask what he did?
It does seem like it'll require some progress. Hmm.....
I could combine the map with a Settlers of Catan-style economy system, and require colonization, construction, etc. in order to maintain my sanity. I did try to set up such a thing for Settlers that failed miserably, but perhaps a CK2 After the End version of things could make things interesting.
Howza' bout we have the following resources:
Wood
Stone
Cattle / Fish
Coal
Forging Ores
Special Resources:
Rust Belt Technology
Pre-Event Manuscripts
Slaves
If I do get off my lazy rear and do it, I would very much appreciate help. I like sleep. A lot.
Well, I have... Ice.
Lots and lots of ice
Teuberland
It will give Canada a reason to exist.
The United States Of Patriots
I missed you Muh Roads!
Do not speak ill of Lord God Kokesh
Does anyone have the recruitment template for Libertatem? Or should I make one up?
"Come to Libertatem! OR ELSE!"
Rateria, Condealism
We have an old template somewhere, but I suggest making a more updated one.
I think I'm still running the really old one from a few years ago that I hooked into NS++, but I can't get NS++ to work well enough anymore to derive the template or to turn it off.
There is really no justification for the modern public education system.
We've outlawed child labor, but legalized unpaid labor (e.g. slavery) for children where the only wage they get are abstract letters.
We've created a social system which expects absolute conformity and punishes individuality, so that kids who unquestioningly obey the teacher's demands are the ones who do well, and the ones who do not, are labelled anti-social and punished.
We've created an education system that does not work and teaches children absolute bollocks, from common core in math to skewed national appraisal in history to believing that dinosaurs and man coexisted in science or whatever.
And at the end of it all, at the end of 12 years of slavery, the only reward we get is a license (diploma) to participate in the labor force on equal standing of everyone else.
Miencraft, Pevvania, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Kumquat Cove, Condealism
I guess I'll make a new one. l'll share it with the region.
Rateria
I've been saying this - all of this - for the better part of a decade now.
Only recently has it dawned on me that there is a justification for this system: It's the perfect tool for perpetuating the socioeconomic status quo. It gives people an excuse not to think. It's a counter to the otherwise prodigious influence of intellectualism. The sheer inanity of it allows the youth, upon entering the workforce, to compete at a more similar/equal level than they would have otherwise. And it allows persistent historical revisionists to subtly inculcate the next generation with their political views.
Miencraft
Missed you too Pev, good to have you back!
Rateria
Christopher Cantwell belongs in a zoo.
Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva
Here's is the one that got me 200+ nations. You are welcome to edit it.
Greetings %NATION%,
I am -Insert your nation name and title here-, and I would like to formally invite you to join in our glorious conquest against tyranny and oppression across Nationstates!
Libertatem was originally founded as a democratic region dedicated to the struggle against totalitarian communism, but our mission has expanded to take on fascists as well in our War on Communism!
We share a dream of spreading liberty across Nationstates and putting an end to Authortarianism and we need your help!
Besides our War on Communism Libertatem offers:
* A large, friendly, and active community.
* A regional government system that allows you to participate very quickly.
* A "trainer" of sorts who can help you learn how to play Nationstates proficiently.
* A privatized political party system, create your own or join an existing party!
* An active military that is always seeking new participants!
* Free and open debate without censorship, all opinions matter here!
We welcome nations of all types here!
So what are you waiting for %NATION%? Join Libertatem today!
Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria
Can somebody sue somebody, I'm trynna attorney general this place.
Rateria
I'd like to sue Pevvania for blasphemy and heresy, on one charge of holding another god before Lord Roads.
Pevvania, Muh Roads
Spot on. The unfortunate fact of government schooling is that whether it's intentional or not, the government-sanctioned view of society is always the prevailing opinion taught in schools. I.e. the Industrial Revolution was bad for poor people, socialised healthcare is efficient, Keynesianism is fact, and so on. A system of voucherised private schools is the logical next step in progress to a better system. I've heard statists say this will lead to 'corporate' indoctrination of children, such as in Max Barry's ridiculous and poorly written book Jennifer Government. First of all, what are kids going to be taught? That consuming product X is a good thing? And secondly, even if this had any truth to it, unquestionable loyalty to a private entity is always preferable to loyalty to the prevailing monopoly on force that is government.
Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Condealism
He's a genuinely nasty and hateful person. What kind of 'libertarian' would support the systematic execution of all leftists and statists?
Republic Of Minerva, Rateria
Vouchers? Eugh.
The whole system is rotten and must be abolished. Compulsory education is morally equivalent to slavery. What is more corporate type of education than the assembly line education we have now?
Personally I would like to see a decentalized schooling system based on practical trade skills and individual focused. Think of old time apprenticeships, where the master would oversee the student's progress. I also endorse the style of individual collaboration championed by the early New England transcendentalists, like Ralph Emerson. Ive been briefly to a trade school and found it thousand times more useful than the garbage I learned in high school.
Condealism
You guys should come to the Libertarian Discussion Thread in NSG. Its my own purposely designed safe space for libbies.
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/marxist-vegan-restaurant-closes-after-customers-no-longer-willing-to-wait-40-minutes-for-a-sandwich/
Socialism will fail, continue to fail, and always fail.
I'm just saying that vouchers would be a good stepping stepping stone. Since taking an economics course, I have a much better grasp of externalities than I did before, and since education is a merit good, having it universally provided maximises social and individual good. So some kind of long term transition to a private system would be best in my opinion.
To be honest, in the last year I've shifted away from Rothbard and much further towards Friedman.
Condealism
http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/09/leftist-students-shouted-fck-you-bitch-a
The SJW movement is a cancer on western society.
Post self-deleted by Evil Genius Land.
I knew your libertarian streak would run out eventually. I bet in the next few years youll keep shifting over to some old time tory conservativism, with a stinge of Atlanticism and perhaps a bit of nostalgia for the late Thatcher. You will be fully adopted into the neoliberal program, and might even begin to view the EU favorably.
Ptuey.
I forsee all.
This attitude I don't see changing.
Post self-deleted by Evil Genius Land.
Although I do admit myself I tend to go back and forth between pragmatism and reformism to radicalism. It really depends but so far I haven't compromised my views. Ive seen so many do so this year however.
Minerva, only the Sith deal in absolutes. I'm very much still a libertarian, just a minarchist, like you are (or used to be?). Really I'm still a philosophical anarchist, and would happily take instant anarchy over the current socioeconomic order. But come on, not agreeing 100% with the ancap platform doesn't make me a statist or a non-libertarian.
I despise Toryism, which is essentially a patriarchal version of social democracy. I was one of the 17.4 million Britons who voted to leave the EU, so I highly doubt I'll ever change my mind on that. However, I have always had more nuanced views on the EU from a continental standpoint. I'd still oppose it whether I was Greek or German, but it's important to note its very libertarian benefits, encouraging trade liberalisation and open borders, as well as the fact that it's a horribly complex, anti-democratic authoritarian superstate. And I have never made it a secret that Thatcher is my spirit animal.
Condealism
Yes it does, statist.
Republic Of Minerva
Bah, they always revert back to the statist path. Ive seen millions of em do it. Well not that much, but you get my point
My father used to say (and still does on occasion), "To take a kid for 12 years and fill him full of confidence despite that he cannot think and figure; to turn him loose at 18 with a diploma that he cannot read all while letting him assume the world owes him a living [B]is[/B] the height of child abuse."
Mandatory schooling is an abject failure. Education must not just be learned, but earned. My grandfather used to say, "Never let public schooling interfere with your education."
Miencraft, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
I like DeVos' message of devolving educational responsibilities back to locales and the parents.
Your Grandfather liked Mark Twain I see.
Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
Never a bad time to talk about cutting spending. The Cato Institute's series on downsizing government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwKpT7P9OiU&list=PL2w2AA116bYVv4ErpI79O5jI-zpdifAGx
The federal government is such a bloated, obtuse, overcomplicated mess. Departments like Labor, Agriculture, Education and HUD are in many ways just slush funds for special interests and should get the axe. But fundamentally, if we want to return to a balanced budget we need to reform entitlements, which already form the bulk of federal spending. Medicaid should be devolved to the states, Medicare should be privatised and Social Security, at the absolute minimum, should be reformed to raise the retirement age and cap benefits. But ideally we need to do what the UK and Australia have been doing for 20+ years, which is transition to private pensions.
Trump has signaled some welcome and long overdue reforms, such as block granting Medicaid, but more needs to be done to constrain the monster that government is.
Condealism
if we get rid of da minimum wage evry1 will be paid nuffin!!!!11
What is the template code?
Also, I am considering toning down the War on Communism in the telegram, since we are at the moment not actively pursuing the War on Communism, and we might draw in the wrong crowds who are seeking that. Of course, the non-violent debate war on communism is never ending.
Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland
Actually I'll create a new one, for that reason
Rateria
At the moment? *glares*
That, I can live with.
What do you guys think of Tom Woods? I am trying to find a replacement for Stephen Molyneux, whom has gone full altright.
100% unrelated but I still make flags if anyone wants one. I promise I'll actually do things with your requests, unlike how I'm just kinda leaving the map sitting there until we get populated.
Rateria
I like. He's a great historian, one of the best in my opinion, but a little conjectural on economics. His book Meltdown, which rightly blames the Great Recession on Fed and federal government policy, draws big conclusions from a very small body of evidence. I mean, I agree with everything he's saying and I know that it's in many ways a primer on libertarian economics, but it'd be nice to see more convincing empirical evidence to back up his claims. Libertarians and free-marketeers don't need to cherry-pick, because we're right. If we see the occasional study or statistic that disagrees with our worldview we should challenge it, rather than ignore it.
Molyneux's videos were always too long for me anyway.
Republic Of Minerva
What had shifted you toward Friedman? I'm still very much Rothbardian.
I think the best away to improve activity in Libertatem is to jumpstart its politics because, honestly, there's nothing going on. Our senate is more volunteer based than elected. My idea is to make Libertatem more of a melting pot for libertarian ideas.
Just an idea for recruitment.
Rateria, Condealism
Hi Aradites, how ya doing? Essentially, I came to believe that there are too many practical and philosophical holes in anarcho-capitalism to continue advocating for it politically. First of all, the numero uno response to 'who will build the roads?' is 'the private sector'. While I firmly believe that absence of supply fuels demand, sometimes it's not beneficial to wait around for the market to solve a problem when collective action via government is much easier and can be just as, if not more so, economical. It's all well and good wanting to replace all welfare programs with charities, but we cannot assume that a massive network of charities can magically pop up overnight and be able to cover everyone in need. Similarly, with infrastructure I think the best way to stimulate investment in roads and bridges is to incentivise the private sector to do it by repealing building, land use and construction regulations, and also offering tax credits for infrastructure development, but the truth of the matter is that government investments in this can create benefits outweighing the fact that the funds were expropriated via taxation. Essentially I'm saying that government should mostly stay out of the private sector, but it can at least nudge it in the right direction before we get rid of all government programs.
My next big problem with anarcho-capitalism is that there are certain public goods that could simply not function without them being owned and operated by a centralised authority. I'm well-versed in the concepts of private judiciaries and militaries and so forth, but consider this scenario: a neighbourhood has become overrun by gangs and criminal heathens, so one day there's a homeowner's meeting to discuss addressing this problem. 7 out of 10 of the homeowners decide to pool together a fund to pay for a private police force to clear the neighbourhood of gangs and violence; 3 out of 10 refuse for whatever reason. The NAP dictates that this minority of homeowners cannot be compelled by the majority to put forth money to this fund, so they are not and pay nothing. However, after the private police force comes in and secures the neighbourhood, ridding it of crime, property values in said neighbourhood go up, and in fact double in the next 5 years. And who benefits from this? Every homeowner in the neighbourhood, despite the fact that 30% of them paid nothing towards the private police company. So there's a big free rider problem in anarcho-capitalism, too, which has not been addressed.
I must strongly emphasise that there are only a few areas of government that I want left intact. I'll leave you with a Friedman quote: Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost come in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.
Rateria, The Aradites
Has anyone else noticed how monumentally silly and unbalanced US foreign policy is with China and Russia, the two countries closest to being superpowers that aren't the United States? Obama has essentially attempted to be anti-Russia and pro-China, yet this has worked out miserably. America has gained nothing from confronting Russia on Ukraine - which is wrongheaded in the first place since Ukraine has always been in the Russian sphere of influence, and Crimea is historically Russian - and has lost a lot through diplomacy, trade and our power in the Middle East. Because of Obama's antagonistic actions, he has risked ceding America's influence in the Middle East to the Russians. Of course we shouldn't have been there in the first place, but now Putin is essentially leading the campaign against ISIS and gaining credibility as 'doing something' about the issue.
And on China? Obama has done his best to please the Communist Party, tiptoeing around sensitive issues that may upset their sensibilities, but to no avail. Jinping and his cronies saw weakness in day one and capitalised on it, aggressively expanding into the South China Sea, ramping up its trade manipulation practices and virtually protecting North Korea from any serious international rebukes. We have lost so much diplomatic ground to China, and what have we gained?
Trump seems to want to pivot to cooperating with the Russians and getting tough on China, which I think is a a very strategic move. We can work with them to fight ISIS and contain China.
Not bad, just finished my first semester at CEGEP (sort of a junior college, it's a Quebec thing).
Your points here I mainly agree with. I always want things to be more and more privatized, and to me, whenever the state gets smaller I always think that it can do better to be smaller. I'm not picky between minarchy and anarchy, I'll take what I can get, but I do feel that sectors shouldn't be monopolized, but able to compete with whatever government option there is (if there is a private security option, it shouldn't be deemed illegal).
But my rule is whenever someone wants a state program to exist: as long as I don't have to pay taxes.
Pevvania
Is the Austrian School "unscientific?"
Whatever you think of Eisenhower, I think it is still commendable to give both the commies and fash the middle finger. His actions alone preserved more liberty, even if his presidency was mediocre.
Rateria, Condealism
WW1 was a stupid waste of human life but if anyone says that WW2 wasn't worth it is a moron of the lowest caliber
Ah. The sweet sound of reductionism.
lit !
Rateria, Chacondom
what
LIT!
Rateria
on fleek
Rateria
WHAT
Rateria
turn down for
Rateria
ALERT. ALERT:
KING OF THE HILL IS SHOWING 2 EPISODES PER NIGHT ON ADULT SWIM AGAIN!!!!
The Ambassador To The Clfr
.22?
Only four more years till the next Hyderbourgian election, LIT!
Rateria
WE IN HERE FAM!!
Rateria
yas, we gonna get turnt af, bae
dat aesthetic tho
Rateria
What have I done
The United States Of Patriots
no chill
The United States Of Patriots
What just happened?
Millennials.
Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg
Post self-deleted by Narland.
They only need to figure out 3 things--how government works, how money works, and how to get that starbucks barista to extra the skim.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism
Post self-deleted by Narland.
Still struggling with this
Send reinforcements
Kumquat Cove, Rateria
Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
Okay there Ron.
The United States Of Patriots
The Ambassador To The Clfr, The United States Of Patriots
Yeeeeuuup!
Teuberland
I downloaded Old Crow Medicine Show's debut album (O.C.M.S.) a few days ago and I've been listening to it near nonstop. I want to get another one of their albums for Christmas but I'm not sure what to get. I do prefer the folk sound in that album, as it gave me hope for true folk bands in this century rather than pseudo-folk, which seems more common. Could anyone point me to an album to get?
I love old crow medicine show.
Trampled by turtles is pretty good if you're looking for another folksy/bluegrass band.
Teuberland
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/03/b4/6803b4a21eab67cd0024366d0b387fcf.jpg
Miencraft, Pevvania
I apologize for not being more active but >>finals<<
Rateria, Teuberland
I don't blame you. Most of my midterms are happening next week.
Finals? I thought all those got canceled after Trump won and all the Snowflakes melted.
Shirayuki Mizore
remember when leftists were pro-freedom of speech?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Movement
Condealism
Hi everyone
Kumquat Cove, Rateria
Hello.
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