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The Amarican Empire wrote:Hump why does it matter?

You know what a person is talking about no matter how the person pronounces the city name.

The Amarican Empire wrote:You know what a person is talking about no matter how the person pronounces the city name.

Still, people need to know how to speak english

The Amarican Empire wrote:Hump why does it matter?

This issue is like, a big deal here.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:No, it is the french pronunciation.

No. I'm not asking you what is the correct pronunciation. Trust me, I'm Humph I can appreciate some French. I'm talking about what people around here say.

Humpheria wrote:This issue is like, a big deal here.

No. I'm not asking you what is the correct pronunciation. Trust me, I'm Humph I can appreciate some French. I'm talking about what people around here say.

You mean in Louisville? They pronounce it the wrong way.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:You mean in Louisville? They pronounce it the wrong way.

You say Luaval too, Jack. Don't act like you don't. Everyone here does.

Albenia wrote:For everyone: https://imgflip.com/i/am5vm

I object to this.

Afternoon everyone.

Pevvania wrote:Afternoon everyone.

Morning/afternoon.

Pevvania wrote:Afternoon everyone.

Morning.

Baphometus wrote:I object to this.

It's do very true.

Pevvania wrote:Afternoon everyone.

*mumbles hazy slurs about Brits being up so early*

Humpheria wrote:*mumbles hazy slurs about Brits being up so early*

Lel

Can anyone give me an update on the scheduled Board races?

Pevvania wrote:Can anyone give me an update on the scheduled Board races?

After this is is four. Hallo (I) vs. CI (ACOP)

Humpheria wrote:After this is is four. Hallo (I) vs. CI (ACOP)

But we've already done Four. Godisdead conceded the race. I don't think we have any laws against running for multiple seats, but we certainly can't redo an election.

Pevvania wrote:But we've already done Four. Godisdead conceded the race. I don't think we have any laws against running for multiple seats, but we certainly can't redo an election.

CI is running for four now. There is no law against it.

Humpheria wrote:CI is running for four now. There is no law against it.

But we've already had that election. Hallo won. The TERM and ELECT amendments clearly state that there is supposed to be one election for each Board seat per cycle. The amendment to the TERM Amendment is more overt, reading: "The election of each Board member shall occur during any span of time between the 20th and final day of each month, provided that a sufficient and equal amount of time is allocated for the election of each Seat."

If CI wants to run for the Board, then he can challenge Seat 2, 3 or 5.

I meant to underline "provided that a sufficient and equal amount of time is allocated for the election of each Seat.""

Pevvania wrote:I meant to underline "provided that a sufficient and equal amount of time is allocated for the election of each Seat.""

I don't interpret that as meaning one shot per seat.

Humpheria wrote:I don't interpret that as meaning one shot per seat.

Holding two elections for Seat 4 would mean that more time would be allocated for the election of that seat. There can only be a special election for a Board seat if the Boardman leaves. That there is only one regular election per seat per month is in both the intent and wording of the law, and so it is what we have always done. It would also be extremely unfair to subject Hallo to two non-special elections in one month while all of his peers would only face one.

Humpheria wrote:I don't interpret that as meaning one shot per seat.

So if I wanted to, I could run for seat 4 6 times in a row?

The Board is ready to vote on TTA's appeal.

Pevvania wrote:The Board is ready to vote on TTA's appeal.

The board already has, sorry if you were not TG directly. We unanimously voted to absolve him of all charges.

Lack There Of wrote:The board already has, sorry if you were not TG directly. We unanimously voted to absolve him of all charges.

Excellent.

Pevvania wrote:Holding two elections for Seat 4 would mean that more time would be allocated for the election of that seat. There can only be a special election for a Board seat if the Boardman leaves. That there is only one regular election per seat per month is in both the intent and wording of the law, and so it is what we have always done. It would also be extremely unfair to subject Hallo to two non-special elections in one month while all of his peers would only face one.

It would also be unfair for any Board member's terms to last longer than their allocated month. But if you're that intent on saving face...

Of seats 2, 3, and 5, which are currently uncontested?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:It would also be unfair for any Board member's terms to last longer than their allocated month. But if you're that intent on saving face...

What?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Of seats 2, 3, and 5, which are currently uncontested?

I believe Seat 3 is uncontested.

And keep in mind, guys: my selection of the next Manager of State may complicate the ongoing elections and the next Board term. So I'll find a successor before the end of the Seat 1 election.

So what's your opinion of Glenn Beck?

This is the first time I'm really listening to him. I know he went to the border and gave those kids toys and that he supported some Brony that was bullied and was punished for being bullied by broadcasting an episode with mlp toys and such but that's all I know

Albenia wrote:So what's your opinion of Glenn Beck?

This is the first time I'm really listening to him. I know he went to the border and gave those kids toys and that he supported some Brony that was bullied and was punished for being bullied by broadcasting an episode with mlp toys and such but that's all I know

He seems like a nice guy, I suppose. But he strikes me as something of a political opportunist.

Pevvania wrote:He seems like a nice guy, I suppose. But he strikes me as something of a political opportunist.

Oh, yes, he's definitely that.

A few years ago I agreed with him, but listening to him lately, it sounds like he's pushing different ideals for the sake of ratings. I mean, there's selling out, and then there's going from hardcore conservative to unconvincing moderate. He's not fooling me.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Oh, yes, he's definitely that.

A few years ago I agreed with him, but listening to him lately, it sounds like he's pushing different ideals for the sake of ratings. I mean, there's selling out, and then there's going from hardcore conservative to unconvincing moderate. He's not fooling me.

I certainly wouldn't be surprised. Whenever he says something that isn't typically conservative, the media just laps it up.

Ehen it comes to talk shows I listen to Michael Savage and another person (Can't remember name) that comes on at the same time.

Albenia wrote:Ehen it comes to talk shows I listen to Michael Savage and another person (Can't remember name) that comes on at the same time.

I love listening to Savage, I know everyone may not like him all that well, but I love listening to Savage.

Why are we constructing embassies with the Coalition of Freedom?

Albenia wrote:Ehen it comes to talk shows I listen to Michael Savage and another person (Can't remember name) that comes on at the same time.

Rush?

Cowboy Libertarian wrote:Why are we constructing embassies with the Coalition of Freedom?

They have Political Parties!

Let me see which is best.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Rush?

Ah yes. Limbaugh.

Albenia wrote:They have Political Parties!

Let me see which is best.Ah yes. Limbaugh.

That's who I listen to.

Albenia wrote:They have Political Parties!

Let me see which is best.Ah yes. Limbaugh.

I can't escape the bastards

Cowboy Libertarian wrote:I can't escape the bastards

So you don't like them?

You guys, Mick Jagger is 71 today

Pevvania wrote:He seems like a nice guy, I suppose. But he strikes me as something of a political opportunist.

This^

Believe it or not, it was mr beck that got me into politics . I was looking for a copy of Thomas Paine's common sense And the only copy I could find was attached to becks addition. It took me a couple years to figure out he is more for making money than maintaing his principles.

WHY AM I SURROUNDED BY MORMON RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS RIGHT NOOOOW?

I can't be Libertarian without massive ridicule.

So guys, what should we do to cut the deficit?

NOW THEY ARE GLENN BECK EXTREMISTS!

I hate my grandma a lot at the moment.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:You guys, Mick Jagger is 71 today

Today around 50 people will die due to the drug violence I'm Mexico field by the prohibition in America

Pevvania wrote:So guys, what should we do to cut the deficit?

CUT EVERYTHING

Right-Winged Nation wrote:So you don't like them?

No

Cowboy Libertarian wrote:CUT EVERYTHING

No

Duh. But what should the first item/program to be slashed?

Pevvania wrote:Duh. But what should the first item/program to be slashed?

There Is a lot

Pevvania wrote:So guys, what should we do to cut the deficit?

The elephant in the room is obviously social security, which in all honesty is just a ticking time bomb because it will never be politically expedient to tamper with it. Realistically a revised form of the Chilean model would be a fantastic step in the right direction. Idealistically, the government would let people decide what they want to do with their own money and get the hell out of the savings/insurance business.

Pevvania wrote:Duh. But what should the first item/program to be slashed?

IRS

Combine DoHS, FIB, CIA and NSA. Pay as one.

Ironically, much of Chile's success was indirectly caused by libertarians - the Chicago Boys, to be precise, students of Milton Friedman.

Albenia wrote:FIB

Been playing GTA, Time?

Lack There Of wrote:Today around 50 people will die due to the drug violence I'm Mexico field by the prohibition in America

Lack, can't you just look at the positive and celebrate that Mick Jagger? That stuff happens every day, gosh such a deby downer

Get rid of the IRS and get rid of the ridiculously over complicated tax code

The New United States wrote:Been playing GTA, Time?

No.

Also. Calls Glenn a political oppurtunist. Grandparents say he is the only one who tells the truth.

I say Israel is as much to blame as Palestine. They pull out the Bible.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Lack, can't you just look at the positive and celebrate that Mick Jagger? That stuff happens every day, gosh such a deby downer

I'm sorry, I'm just jealous I don't have those moves like jagger

Also, Lack is right on, abolish social security. Allow people to fund their own retirement and allow private charity, because the amount social security provide is not enough to survive.

Lack There Of wrote:The elephant in the room is obviously social security, which in all honesty is just a ticking time bomb because it will never be politically expedient to tamper with it. Realistically a revised form of the Chilean model would be a fantastic step in the right direction. Idealistically, the government would let people decide what they want to do with their own money and get the hell out of the savings/insurance business.

This, this, this. Even AARP, a powerful group of elderly welfare parasites, have accepted that some form of privatisation is inevitable. It's just such a poorly designed program.

What really pisses me off is how the social security tax is the largest tax coming out of my paycheck but I know that I will never see a dine of it again, and in reality my parents won't either.

Albenia wrote:IRS

Combine DoHS, FIB, CIA and NSA. Pay as one.

Good idea, but the FBI is essentially a national police force, so it functions differently from intelligence agencies.

The first thing America should do is reinstate a flat tax system around 18%. This would massively benefit the economy.

Next, gut the entirety of Obamacare and install a voucher system that gives everyone healthcare while still driving down costs by allowing insurance companies to compete.

For education, encourage the creation of publicly owned but privately run charter schools.

Downsize welfare to those who actually need it instead of giving away to anyone like candy. Force the states to pay more of the burden and administration.

Also, cut all of the environmental crap that Al Gore brought us.

Pevvania wrote:Good idea, but the FBI is essentially a national police force, so it functions differently from intelligence agencies.

This is pretty accurate. That also goes for Homeland Security. ICE and CBP, among many, many others, have nothing to do with the core missions of the CIA, NSA, etc.

Pevvania wrote:Good idea, but the FBI is essentially a national police force, so it functions differently from intelligence agencies.

Don't care still. They can handle both thw jobs with less beurocracy

Albenia wrote:Don't care still. They can handle both thw jobs with less beurocracy

You're kidding right? Cutting the FBI would be foolish to everyone but hardcore AnCaps.

We are in a world filled with domestic and foreign threats galore. 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You're kidding right? Cutting the FBI would be foolish to everyone but hardcore AnCaps.

We are in a world filled with domestic and foreign threats galore. 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

I don't Cate. Combine them all pay them as one thing and let them continue said jobs they do. Just instead of 20+ organizations only one.

Albenia wrote:I don't Cate. Combine them all pay them as one thing and let them continue said jobs they do. Just instead of 20+ organizations only one.

Except the FBI has nothing to do with the police. They are two separate law enforcement entities. The FBI has the SWAT, which are in no way comparable to regular police. They are divided because it's more efficient (and cheaper) to have multiple entities than one giant one.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Except the FBI has nothing to do with the police. They are two separate law enforcement entities. The FBI has the SWAT, which are in no way comparable to regular police. They are divided because it's more efficient (and cheaper) to have multiple entities than one giant one.

I never said combine them with the police. I said Combine them with the CIA, NSA, DoHS, and whatever other intellect agencies we got.

Albenia wrote:I never said combine them with the police. I said Combine them with the CIA, NSA, DoHS, and whatever other intellect agencies we got.

The CIA is an intelligence agency. I could get combining them with the NSA, but not the FBI.

Albenia wrote:Don't care still. They can handle both thw jobs with less beurocracy

You do realize that combing a dozen agencies, each with separate objectives, would just make it more bureaucratic an less efficient, right?

Might as well combine the Armed Forces and the IRS, amirite?

The New United States wrote:You do realize that combing a dozen agencies, each with separate objectives, would just make it more bureaucratic an less efficient, right?

Might as well combine the Armed Forces and the IRS, amirite?

No...because they are all Intelligence agencies.

Albenia wrote:No...because they are all Intelligence agencies.

And the Air Force and Navy are both military branches.

Or, we could size down the police tremendously.

Miencraft wrote:And the Air Force and Navy are both military branches.

Well there's another thing we need to cut spending on in half somehow. So let's see how tp do that. Scrap a bunch of ships and scrap a bunch of bases.

Baphometus wrote:Or, we could size down the police tremendously.

And do this to.

Also, abolish income tax.

Anyone who hasn't already should do this please.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=304475

And just so that I can find this easier later: Boop.

Baphometus wrote:Also, abolish income tax.

And sells tax.

Albenia wrote:And sells tax.

Don't forget estate tax.

Lack There Of wrote:I'm sorry, I'm just jealous I don't have those moves like jagger

Ha

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The first thing America should do is reinstate a flat tax system around 18%. This would massively benefit the economy.

Next, gut the entirety of Obamacare and install a voucher system that gives everyone healthcare while still driving down costs by allowing insurance companies to compete.

For education, encourage the creation of publicly owned but privately run charter schools.

Downsize welfare to those who actually need it instead of giving away to anyone like candy. Force the states to pay more of the burden and administration.

I agree, but that tax should only apply to those earning above $100,000 a year, who contribute about 93% in income tax revenues. So income tax should be eliminated for the bottom 80% of Americans. Eliminating the corporate tax would go a very long way at stimulating wage and general economic growth and bringing back jobs from overseas.

How about a 10 percent consumer tax?

Fun fact: The Lone Star was refounded last night.

Thanks for getting me squared away on the map Miencraft.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:How about a 10 percent consumer tax?

It would be an excellent alternative to the income tax on all fronts, but the elimination of the income tax is politically foreseeable, while a sales tax would be much more difficult to get rid of.

Miencraft wrote:Fun fact: The Lone Star was refounded last night.

Good to know. Former President Lone Star is a patriot and a fine contributor to the region.

Miencraft wrote:Don't forget estate tax.

Yes.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You're kidding right? Cutting the FBI would be foolish to everyone but hardcore AnCaps.

We are in a world filled with domestic and foreign threats galore. 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

We could definitely cut the FBI, since a big chunk of its operations involve enslaving people for smoking a plant.

Pevvania wrote:We could definitely cut the FBI, since a big chunk of its operations involve enslaving people for smoking a plant.

Thank you Pev.

I mean, when I say cut the FBI I mean scale back its operating budget, not eliminate it entirely.

[Quote=pevvania;7128810]I mean, when I say cut the FBI I mean scale back its operating budget, not eliminate it entirely.[/quote]

Oh. Combine it please and then cut them all at once....I don't know...

Anyways has Liberosia taken the Political Compass test. Libertarian wise I want to see how I go against with an Ancap

Also Campaigning time:

Why vote Humpheria when you can vote for freedom from the true Libertarian, Time?

Albenia wrote:Also Campaigning time:

Why vote Humpheria when you can vote for freedom from the true Libertarian, Time?

...Besides experience....and criminal history.

Super amazing campaign:

Vote for either guy, because Mien is IA manager for both of them!

Albenia wrote:Also Campaigning time:

Why vote Humpheria when you can vote for freedom from the true Libertarian, Time?

Albenia wrote:Why vote Humpheria when you can vote for freedom from the true Libertarian, Time?

Albenia wrote:vote for freedom from the true Libertarian, Time

Albenia wrote:the true Libertarian, Time

Albenia wrote:Libertarian, Time

wut

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You're kidding right? Cutting the FBI would be foolish to everyone but hardcore AnCaps.

We are in a world filled with domestic and foreign threats galore. 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

From a pragmatic approach I'll agree that immediately cutting the FBI would be a bad, if not horrific, idea. What does need to be instituted are some seriously strict rules of engagement and limitations on the organizations involvement in local issues, though most problems brought on by side effects of the drug war

Pevvania wrote:wut

I Pev. Have on the Political Compass. THE Lowest score libertarian leaning. I am at -7.95 Libertarian put of -10. No one is more libertarian here who took that test.

Pevvania wrote:We could definitely cut the FBI, since a big chunk of its operations involve enslaving people for smoking a plant.

Yeah, no. I like the idea of an organization that can activity stop threats, instead of gap their mouths as a plane smashes into a building.

Legalizing marijuana would be a start. It would definitely help law enforcement against the drug dealers by regulating their activities to the same thing they were created to do - defend private property. This would cripple the dealers and give us a source of revenue to tax.

The FBI has become to politicized, and lost track of their priorities.

Albenia wrote:Also Campaigning time:

Why vote Humpheria when you can vote for freedom from the true Libertarian, Time?

TTA your not a Libertarian your confused.

Albenia wrote:I Pev. Have on the Political Compass. THE Lowest score libertarian leaning. I am at -7.95 Libertarian put of -10. No one is more libertarian here who took that test.

But you're also the farthest left, heh.

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