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Upon reading the CC chat I found this little gem.

"Maoism is not Communism. Nor is Stalinism, Leninsim, Titoism, Hoaxism, etc! True Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society and the societies that implemented the ideologies above had states, currency, and social classes. So, all Maoists here, please consider Libertarian Communism, pure communism."

Pevvania wrote:He wants to leave Israel and others in the dust. Basically he adheres to the Washingtonian policy of "do not get involved in entangling alliances".

I don't want to leave Israel in the dust completely. But That policy of not Entangling ourselves in Alliances is good. That's how WW1 and WW2 started after all.

Pevvania wrote:

Fascist foreign policy was wildly expansionist. They stormed country after country in their quest for world domination.

What are we doing? Raiding Region after Region Widely Expanding.

Pevvania wrote:Our foreign policy bears closer resemblance to the Reagan Doctrine.

Huh?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I see our raids more like Canada sacking the white house in 1812. Like that.

.........That's not a good comparison.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ankh. Delete. Post. Now.

Which one?

Post self-deleted by The Time Alliance.

TTA, our last raid on the fascist region didn't even last a day. Its guerilla warfare, that is it. We are not occupying regions like Duck Boss is in Anarchy

Why did you have me delete that? (IT WAS QUOTED 2X)

Ankhora wrote:Which one?

Nevermind! Pevv seems to have some secrets hidden. :)

Clearly......youre fine..

Doesn't matter. Security reason, but it means nothing now. Especially if you are correct.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:TTA, our last raid on the fascist region didn't even last a day. Its guerilla warfare, that is it. We are not occupying regions like Duck Boss is in Anarchy

I'm pretty sure though afterwards we lock it.

And if we aren't then we are LITERALLY WASTING OUR TIME raiding a region just so they can go back and act as if nothing happened next update.

Im just warning you. I dont know if the revenge will come, but it might..

Ankhora wrote:Im just warning you. I dont know if the revenge will come, but it might..

Eventually we are going to have made so many enemies.

You dont say...

You guys should leave invasions to your Nazi counterparts. You suck at it, I got kicked out for 45 minutes the delegate lasted only 4 minutes ahahaha

Oh, we are just getting started, Sheng.

He's from Communist China.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Oh, we are just getting started, Sheng.

.......no

A foreign policy designed against expansionistic left and right wing organizations (like ANTIFA) is not imperialism, it is structured retaliation. If you want a clear example of previous attempts of our region at Empire, I suggest you research The Libertatem Empire. Although not strictly speaking an Empire, it existed as an organization for "territorial" expansion, similar to Antifa. My feelings on this previous experiment of the region are mixed, however, I do recognize its appearance and initial purpose.

Hu Sheng wrote:You guys should leave invasions to your Nazi counterparts. You suck at it, I got kicked out for 45 minutes the delegate lasted only 4 minutes ahahaha

Try not spamming.

I quote from "A Treatise on the Nature and Principles of Libertatem and the Empire":

"...a large wave of libertarian sentiment led to the elimination of alliances with fascist organizations and regions, favoring a moral standing against communism without the corruption of fascism. Shortly before, Libertatem drafted and passed the IMPERIAL Act, creating The Libertatem Empire, a confederacy under the leadership of Libertatem and more specifically the founder of Libertatem (as the Emperor). This Empire incorporates a diverse amount of regions and conquered (communist/fascist) territory, growing to immense proportions. After several waves of anti-fascist sentiment, the region finally made its final official act. In a sweeping majority vote of the House of Libertatem, the anti-fascist tag was added to the region, once and for all making the region both anti-communist and anti-fascist (although still focusing on the anti-communist war effort). Libertatem now functions as an Empire and a region, its influence in NationStates greatly expanded and a formidable opponent to communist forces. The diversity and fluidity of the Empire allows for maximum efficiency and the spread of ideas, as well as access to support from member regions."

The above are the words on the founder written long ago before the repeal of the IMPERIAL Act.

The Lone Star wrote:I quote from "A Treatise on the Nature and Principles of Libertatem and the Empire":

"...a large wave of libertarian sentiment led to the elimination of alliances with fascist organizations and regions, favoring a moral standing against communism without the corruption of fascism. Shortly before, Libertatem drafted and passed the IMPERIAL Act, creating The Libertatem Empire, a confederacy under the leadership of Libertatem and more specifically the founder of Libertatem (as the Emperor). This Empire incorporates a diverse amount of regions and conquered (communist/fascist) territory, growing to immense proportions. After several waves of anti-fascist sentiment, the region finally made its final official act. In a sweeping majority vote of the House of Libertatem, the anti-fascist tag was added to the region, once and for all making the region both anti-communist and anti-fascist (although still focusing on the anti-communist war effort). Libertatem now functions as an Empire and a region, its influence in NationStates greatly expanded and a formidable opponent to communist forces. The diversity and fluidity of the Empire allows for maximum efficiency and the spread of ideas, as well as access to support from member regions."

The above are the words on the founder written long ago before the repeal of the IMPERIAL Act.

Do you think we should rebirth the Libertatem Empire?

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Do you think we should rebirth the Libertatem Empire?

How bout no.

Hu Sheng wrote:You guys should leave invasions to your Nazi counterparts. You suck at it, I got kicked out for 45 minutes the delegate lasted only 4 minutes ahahaha

If Nazis are our counterparts, then so are the an-coms.

And you seem not to be familiar with the concept of 'tag raiding'.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Do you think we should rebirth the Libertatem Empire?

Terrible idea. Myself and Condealism led the push to end it, and I'm glad we did. It ended up being an empty husk of a military power; lonely, toothless and embarrassing to the cause of anti-statism. We're liberators, not "liberators".

Who here is in favour of an act making it easier to impeach the President?

Yes please.

That may be useful some day in the (hopefully) far future.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Do you think we should rebirth the Libertatem Empire?

No.

ThIs is why you need to be out of office. You are too imperialistic.

Pevvania wrote:Who here is in favour of an act making it easier to impeach the President?

I'm in favor.

The new arrival Minovdigon is a puppet of mine that I will keep here for roleplay purposes.

Freedollar will be moved out, since I only want to have one puppet here at a time.

Pevvania wrote:Who here is in favour of an act making it easier to impeach the President?

I.

Pevvania wrote:I choose not to terminate the employment of [nation=short]The Neo-Confederate States of America[/nation], who I see as being the greatest Military Manager our region has ever seen. He's advanced the power and prestige of Libertatem at home and abroad, and has brought us a chain of victories in our twin battles against the left and the right socialist factions.

If anyone strongly disagrees with my decision, they may challenge me in court.

While I am disappointed by this decision, I believe it would be in the best interest of the region to give NeoCon a "probationary period" through the next board elections to comply with the law in all future endeavors. If he does not comply, or goes flagrantly out of line in the meantime, a trial would be ideal if the President decides not to act.

Hallo Island wrote:I do feel that our foreign affairs are aggressive, imperialistic, and fascist, and this is a prime example of it, sir.

While I am a staunch supporter of ending the War on Communism, I fail to see how the regions actions could be seen as fascist. Imperialistic, on certain circumstances, but not largely. Aggressive, certainly, but in no way facist. In addition, making personal attacks on member nations due to their policy stance is completely unnecessary and in no way helpful to the peace cause.

Muh Roads wrote:

Also, I am going to make decision considering TTAs citizenship tonight. I will relay my decision to Pev for his input on the matter before any final decisions are made.

If we are giving pardons and resolving insubordination I plead that the executives can reason that the returning of citizenship to an active and insightful nation is in no way out of the question.

Pevvania wrote:Who here is in favour of an act making it easier to impeach the President?

Honestly we just need an amendment to clarify legal procedures in general

Pevvania wrote:Who here is in favour of an act making it easier to impeach the President?

Sure, why not.

Lack there of.

He wasn't attacking a member. He was attacking a policy of the region.

As fot Fascism it involves what we do to "liberated regions" silencing them and banning opposition.

The Time Alliance wrote:He wasn't attacking a member. He was attacking a policy of the region.

The Time Alliance wrote:well....he put it a bit more bluntly then I did as I was hoping not to directly insult someone.

I didn't even have to say anything. He blatantly called the founders of the regions fascists and you called him out too. The War on Communism, as it is being fought now, is aggressive, unproductive, and sends the wrong message about Liberty Politics, but it is not an example of a fascist foreign policy.

Lack There Of wrote:I didn't even have to say anything. He blatantly called the founders of the regions fascists and you called him out too. The War on Communism, as it is being fought now, is aggressive, unproductive, and sends the wrong message about Liberty Politics, but it is not an example of a fascist foreign policy.

It honestly is. Look at Fascist Nations policy on attacking nations.

Look at a real democracies policy.

We're following the fascist policy.

The Time Alliance wrote:It honestly is. Look at Fascist Nations policy on attacking nations.

Look at a real democracies policy.

We're following the fascist policy.

Fascism promotes the acceptance of only one creed and the engulfing and destruction of all others. We don't attack libertarian communists (at least by policy) nor monarchist regions. Our attacks are highly targeted and rarely result in permanent occupation.

Highly targeted? Ummm....As of late.? No.

The Time Alliance wrote:Highly targeted? Ummm....As of late.? No.

Barring the recent mishaps, our actual regional policy does not go after any region that isn't up to libertarian standards. When was the last time we sponsored a raid on technocrat region or a monarchist regions? even our "accidental" raids maintain a certain level of targeting. Im not trying to justify our aggression, I am simply trying to point out that the current war policies are not fascist and labeling our founders as such is foolish and uncalled for.

Pevvania wrote:Who here is in favour of an act making it easier to impeach the President?

I am; we may need it.

Pev, I understand that you're standing up for your position, but your subversion of the Board's authority and failure to protect the people's right to organized criticism - all for the sake of misplaced pride in an increasingly anti-libertarian military - makes me wonder whether power really has gotten to your head. You still have the opportunity to turn this around; trust in the will of this region and it's people, for the foresight of the brave and free is seldom inaccurate.

108 days in office is INSANE in the other regions I am in.

It's actually a bit more than that, there was a time where he hadn't had office for a short time.

Also, this is Miencraft. Too lazy to switch to that one to post on the RMB.

Wow. Thats a long time. In UCR, 31 days. Max.

And, for the switches, NS++

Oh, I know, I have NS++, I was doing stuff and couldn't be bothered hitting the list to go to this one, then have to go back to that to write stuff.

I have a ton of regions to care for. Anyone want to adopt any one of these regions listed in this dispatch?:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=230483

I am going to run for seat four instead of one, now.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:

Pev, I understand that you're standing up for your position, but your subversion of the Board's authority and failure to protect the people's right to organized criticism - all for the sake of misplaced pride in an increasingly anti-libertarian military - makes me wonder whether power really has gotten to your head. You still have the opportunity to turn this around; trust in the will of this region and it's people, for the foresight of the brave and free is seldom inaccurate.

My thoughts exactly

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:I have a ton of regions to care for. Anyone want to adopt any one of these regions listed in this dispatch?:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=230483

Maybe. Define "adoption".

Ankhora wrote:Maybe. Define "adoption".

Me giving you a region as your own.

I'll take occupy nationstates

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Me giving you a region as your own.

Do we get the founder nation?

Ankhora wrote:Do we get the founder nation?

Yes.

Hallo Island wrote:I'll take occupy nationstates

No. Occupy Nationstates is too important. I put that on accident.

Ok...Im deciding between Rhodesia and Atrium...

Ankhora wrote:Ok...Im deciding between Rhodesia and Atrium...

Commies aren't allowed to adopt my regions. Sorry, but I'm picky about who I let adopt regions that I own.

:( Question though:

Were they ever developed?

Ankhora wrote::( Question though:

Were they ever developed?

Define developed.

Had more than one nation in them, set up recruitment, actually did something...

Ankhora wrote:Had more than one nation in them, set up recruitment, actually did something...

As far as I know, only a few.

Osterreichisch Deutsche Reich

Laiklandic Commonwealth

Socialist States Of India

Dutch Republic

Yes, most of them are former Nazis regions that had been conquered by Antifa, and then CTEd and refounded.

I'll take the Chinese soviet republic

How many can we adopt?

The Time Alliance wrote:How many can we adopt?

As much as the adopter will allow.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:As much as the adopter will allow.

?

I would like to adopt.

Communist Party of America

And

Territory of Syria.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Commies aren't allowed to adopt my regions. Sorry, but I'm picky about who I let adopt regions that I own.

Read the earlier quote, TTA.

TAO will have no buisness here. I have made sure.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Read the earlier quote, TTA.

..... I'm not communist.

I like the idea but I understand that at this point in time the closest we can get to it is State Socialism which I hate with a passion.

Socialism isn't an oppressive thing like many are led to believe however I'm not even fully Socialist. I'm a Social Democratic moderate Left Libertarian.

Or in simple terms Progressive Centre-Left

Ankhora wrote:TAO will have no buisness here. I have made sure.

TAO? Am I missing something?

Yes. Most certainly. That note was for Pevv and Minerva.

How? Did Pevv or you ban him or something?

Information is power. And you got a lot of information, Ankh.

Ankhora wrote:Yes. Most certainly. That note was for Pevv and Minerva.

No, who is TAO?

Looks like I missed quite a bit. I was wrenching on cars today lol.. will try to catch up.

What would TAO want with us?

About your llist of regions, Atrium was never a Korean Peoples Army region as you currently claim in the WFE.

There is no history of that in the region KPA, it was never in the WFE of Atrium, Atrium never had a political flag (flag picture was of a concert hall).

It was a non-political jumper region that I made - to last one or two updates.

The WFE said "A region for arts and music".

Lets face it, a BS fake "win" like that takes away prestige of actual military victories of yours, who believes any of it anymore? I have no qualms with respecting the enemy, particularly when they deserve it - but this is kind of sad, I hoped for a little more maturity.

Ankhora wrote:TAO will have no buisness here. I have made sure.

Thank you.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:I have a ton of regions to care for. Anyone want to adopt any one of these regions listed in this dispatch?:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=230483

I'm kinda liking Laiklandic commonwealth and dutch republic.

Also, if nobody takes it in a week or so, I'd like Atrium. Not high priority for me so if you give it to someone else that's fine.

"Our observers noted that your nation was banned from North Korea by The Worker-Peasant Red Guard of The Defender Alliance"

lol

you guys are a big region

Yeah... we're getting raided.

Also, you don't have enough puppets to beat Pev. So, uh, ya stupid.

Nice raid attempt.

So, anyways, how's everyone doing?

Told you we'd make enough enemies.

I wouldn't classify them as enemies, more like that scratch in the small of your back that doesn't really bother you, it's just annoying. This isn't the first time they've done something like this. I'm glad to see they haven't given up.

Humpheria wrote:I wouldn't classify them as enemies, more like that scratch in the small of your back that doesn't really bother you, it's just annoying. This isn't the first time they've done something like this. I'm glad to see they haven't given up.

An enemy is a person or group acting against you. It doesn't matter if they are capable of anything or not.

Nice new flag, TTA. Why green, though?

These guys were trying stuff before your nation existed. This wasn't because of recent happenings.

Just act as they don't exist.

Look guys! Up in the sky! It's a flock of imbeciles!

President Pev will be thrown out in about ten minutes. The Board wishes to convey the message to everyone to stay calm. It's a tag raid. On a fairly inactive day, so no worries. Once they change the factbook, I'll post it on here and make an entry in my factbook.

Or one imbecile with multiple accounts...

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

Humph...we are okay.

I know. Again, not the first rodeo. I have it here so we can easily get it back once Pev gets back in office. It's just easier than redoing it again. And people can still see the region.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Nice new flag, TTA. Why green, though?

Variation of my other flag for St. Patrick's day. Thus the star

Well look at that, didn't know you guys endorsed him. Nevermind. Good job guys.

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