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It would be great if we could get an exposition style thing going with Sunalaya or Conservative League. Like we had with the Commonwealth during Humph's presidency.

Narland, Condealism

Miencraft wrote:It's when you post something, delete it, post it again, delete it, and so on.

IC. The older I get the slower my brain flows. If I am too tired after I post and see too many spelling errors, or think of a better way to say it gets reposted. I grw up b4 txtng so prpr spllng b imprtnt.

Rateria

Hyderbourg wrote:Kinda off topic.

Also off topic: you joined the Discord, right? I want to make sure I'm promoting the right people when I hand out powerful roles in there.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Also off topic: you joined the Discord, right? I want to make sure I'm promoting the right people when I hand out powerful roles in there.

That is a good point. We can use it for government discussions.

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Miencraft wrote:Also off topic: you joined the Discord, right? I want to make sure I'm promoting the right people when I hand out powerful roles in there.

Yes, I joined the discord.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Rateria wrote:That is a good point. We can use it for government discussions.

That, and I have stuff like the password to Second Republic in there.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:That, and I have stuff like the password to Second Republic in there.

Well dont just tell people that

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism

The Aradites wrote:It would be great if we could get an exposition style thing going with Sunalaya or Conservative League. Like we had with the Commonwealth during Humph's presidency.

Or both. *shrugs*

I'd be happy to help organize something.

Hello everyone!

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

Pevvania wrote:Explain.

The plot starts off with the supers running around doing their own thing, and it's heavily implied that the US government is regulating them, subsidizing them, and tying up any loose ends. It looks like an ideal setup - right up until the state gets tired of protecting supers from lawsuits, and frantically shifts gears into outlawing vigilantism and spending obscene amounts of taxpayer money relocating the supers for the sake of minimizing damage (we later learn that these relocated supers are targeted and killed off one by one by the movie's villain, and no indication is given that the US government notices or cares). The obvious lesson here is that the state is not the best judge of what benefits society.

Post-timeskip, we're (better) introduced to the family of protagonists: Bob Parr itches to help people in any way he can, caring less and less about the legal limits of his ability to do so, Helen tries to maintain a semblance of normalcy, accepting their legal obligation to hide their powers, and their children - Dash and Violet, respectively - have more extreme versions of these conflicting desires. Their common enemy, at this point in the movie, is an inability to be themselves thrust upon them by discriminatory legislation and the pervasive expectation that they will conform to a mediocre standard. (They actually discuss the ethics of this at multiple points in this section of the movie.)

Because Bob's urge to benefit society is so irrepressible, he nearly gets into trouble when he goes out moonlighting, and does get into trouble when his (now-former) boss impedes his attempt to thwart a mugging. He's earned Syndrome's attention, though, and when he's supposedly granted the opportunity to clandestinely be a hero again, he jumps at the call. And when this eventually comes back to bite him, we're given a glimpse at the competing moralities of the protagonists and antagonist.

The Parrs see that they possess certain privileges and advantages, and wish to use them for the benefit of mankind; they realize that they can't always do so because of government encroachment, and they're somewhat divided in opinion in regards to how much of that encroachment - if any - is truly necessary. That is to say, they're idealistic libertarians.

Syndrome, on the other hand, has killed dozens, manufactured powerful weapons, intends to sell those weapons to the highest bidder, all for the sake of rebelling against society by making super the new mediocre. It seems to me that he's essentially a villainous John Galt - he represents the pseudo-libertarian philosophy of Objectivism.

Syndrome has the upper hand throughout most of the movie, but his defeat is twofold: Firstly, he overestimates his own abilities and gets his ass handed to him by his own creation due to his arrogance; it's like if someone convinced of their own greatness succeeded in implementing a political system they believe would favor them, only to be no better off than anyone else - this is likely what would happen to most, if not all, Objectivists if their vision for the world were realized. Secondly, the Parrs (and Frozone) succeed in defeating that creation not only through the unbridled use of their own skills, but through teamwork and mutual defense, indicating that a balance of individualism and collectivism (or at least self-awareness and group-awareness) is more likely to solve a problem than individualism alone.

The movie ends with a more assertive Parr family, yet (as evidenced by Dash's track race, in which he takes second place) one willing to conform (for the most part) to societal standards - not necessarily because a government wants them to, but because they know it's best. Not that they won't stick up for themselves if a villain tries to undermine their achievements...

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

Miencraft wrote:I mean, technically the WAD position transcends the government of the Republic, because it hasn't been a recognized position since the Presidency was unofficially split off from it in the First Republic.

Fun fact: I don't think there was ever any official split of the Presidency and the Delegacy until the new Constitution, but they've been treated as separate offices pretty much ever since my tenure. Or, one of my tenures. Or the tenure of someone else somewhere near one of my tenures. I'm not sure exactly. I know I was there somewhere.

It was officially split in the Amendment authored by Orb to reform the office.

Miencraft

Shout out to anybody, I'm on discord and ready to talk about political issues in the world and in NS

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Hyderbourg wrote:Shout out to anybody, I'm on discord and ready to talk about political issues in the world and in NS

We've got a Discord server?

Jadentopian Order wrote:We've got a Discord server?

Seems so my friend. The link is in the WFE underneath news.

Jadentopian Order

Hyderbourg wrote:Seems so my friend. The link is in the WFE underneath news.

Sweet, I joined.

To clarify- I do not support the ACA whatsoever. Also, I was raised in single payer as well (Ireland), and if done correctly it's a very good system. My point was that I think the democrats are incompetent in implementing single payer, and I think that free market solutions are better quality. However, for those who can't afford it. I don't think anyone should have to worry about paying for treatment.

Hello, I'm a puppet of Rivier Z, whom some of you may now.

Hyderbourg

St Pierre And Miquelon wrote:Hello, I'm a puppet of Rivier Z, whom some of you may now.

Welcome to Libertatem.

Condealism wrote:snip

Spectacular and thought-provoking analysis. Dude you should work for Reason.

It's weird because once you become a libertarian you start watching films differently and trying to pick out things thet conform to your beliefs lol.

Auxorii, Rateria, Condealism

This is Hyderbourg's new WA Member puppet.

Just sayin' hi

Rateria, Hyderbourg

Post self-deleted by Minachia.

North Hyder wrote:This is Hyderbourg's new WA Member puppet.

Just sayin' hi

Now's my chance to steal the Delegacy on Minovdigon!

Condealism

Greetings from the Dead Ghost Town of the Allied Capitalist Association.

Rateria

North Hyder wrote:This is Hyderbourg's new WA Member puppet.

Just sayin' hi

Why did you resign?

Auxorii wrote:Why did you resign?

Just so we can start doing more war oriented stuff. We are going to look into maybe raiding communist regions and this makes it a lot easier.

Rateria, Condealism, Fairbankska

Please upvote and read the following dispatch, which urges nations to repeal Reproductive Freedoms, a radical legislation.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=818393

Hyderbourg, Fairbankska

Hyderbourg wrote:Just so we can start doing more war oriented stuff. We are going to look into maybe raiding communist regions and this makes it a lot easier.

I thought this was a libertarian region that's okay with other ideologies.

Hyderbourg wrote:Just so we can start doing more war oriented stuff. We are going to look into maybe raiding communist regions and this makes it a lot easier.

Raiders are a profound pain in the assets.

Auxorii

Auxorii wrote:I thought this was a libertarian region that's okay with other ideologies.

We are; ideally, every region would share our acceptance of others and willingness to live and let live. Some, however, simply won't play nice.

Miencraft, Rateria, Fairbankska

Condealism wrote:We are; ideally, every region would share our acceptance of others and willingness to live and let live. Some, however, simply won't play nice.

Well, if we're raiding and invading then we're not playing nice

Auxorii wrote:Well, if we're raiding and invading then we're not playing nice

Respect and tolerance derive their worth from mutuality. A party that grants neither should be given neither.

Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Fairbankska

Hyderbourg wrote:Just so we can start doing more war oriented stuff. We are going to look into maybe raiding communist regions and this makes it a lot easier.

What about defending regions from politically motivated invasions of all kinds?

The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots

St Pierre And Miquelon wrote:What about defending regions from politically motivated invasions of all kinds?

That should be priority number one.

Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Auxorii wrote:Well, if we're raiding and invading then we're not playing nice

I agree that right now we should stick to defending our own borders and the borders of our allies. But I should tell you that this region was founded with the very purpose of fighting the 'War on Communism'. It raged for several years and we had many successes, until around 2014/15 when we kind of grew tired of the effort we had to pour into maintaining the war effort and retired our offensive capabilities.

Miencraft, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

I support nothing. Nothing has my vote.

Pevvania, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Muh Roads wrote:I support nothing. Nothing has my vote.

Go home Roads, you're drunk

James Madison, primary author of the Constitution, on the Interstate Commerce Clause:

"[The clause] was intended as a negative and preventative provision against injustice amongst the states themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government." - Feb 13, 1829

Do we really need any more proof than this that the Democratic Party's entire economic platform is illegal?

Miencraft, Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:I agree that right now we should stick to defending our own borders and the borders of our allies. But I should tell you that this region was founded with the very purpose of fighting the 'War on Communism'. It raged for several years and we had many successes, until around 2014/15 when we kind of grew tired of the effort we had to pour into maintaining the war effort and retired our offensive capabilities.

and we just laughed and laughed and laughed when the commies took our joke regions as victories after retirement.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:Go home Roads, you're drunk

I'm awfully lovey when I'm drunk ;)

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism

Auxorii wrote:Well, if we're raiding and invading then we're not playing nice

Are you a commie-sympathizer??!questionmarkone

Btw soon ill make a list in a bit. If you wish to join the military, telegram me with your main nation residing here.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Are you a commie-sympathizer??!questionmarkone

No, I'm a libertarian. I think we should just mind our own business and not get involved with any other region's politics or civil disobedience

St Pierre And Miquelon

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Auxorii wrote:No, I'm a libertarian. I think we should just mind our own business and not get involved with any other region's politics or civil disobedience

I think that there's a lot of people in Libertatem who want to just relax and worry about their own countries. For those people, we are working on defense forces ensuring that they can do so. Others want to actively liberate nations. For those people, there is a military in place that allows them to do so. Nobody is forced to join either group. The whole idea of being a Libertarian is letting everybody do what they want, and we're trying our best to ensure that.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, St Pierre And Miquelon, Uadilifu

Hyderbourg wrote:I think that there's a lot of people in Libertatem who want to just relax and worry about their own countries. For those people, we are working on defense forces ensuring that they can do so. Others want to actively liberate nations. For those people, there is a military in place that allows them to do so. Nobody is forced to join either group. The whole idea of being a Libertarian is letting everybody do what they want, and we're trying our best to ensure that.

Well, the WA Delegate resigned for the very purpose of raiding regions. If this is a libertarian region then it's going against one of the very foundations of libertarianism

St Pierre And Miquelon

Muh Roads wrote:I support nothing. Nothing has my vote.

There is nothing we can depend on. Nothing can be done to create the ideal statesman.

Muh Roads

Auxorii wrote:Well, the WA Delegate resigned for the very purpose of raiding regions. If this is a libertarian region then it's going against one of the very foundations of libertarianism

Actually the WA delegate is completely separate from the government as we do the not recognize the position as one of importance. Many countries due to their libertarian nature actually do not join the WA as their resolutions put unwarranted restraints on their freedoms. The WA and their actions are completely independent of the government of Libertatem.

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Auxorii wrote:Well, the WA Delegate resigned for the very purpose of raiding regions. If this is a libertarian region then it's going against one of the very foundations of libertarianism

It is true that we, as libertarians, must refrain from acts of aggression; however, that does not mean we can't or shouldn't retaliate against those who threaten the adherents of libertarian ideologies. Pacifism is a noble ideal, but someone needs to protect the pacifists - why not us?

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu

Pevvania wrote:I agree that right now we should stick to defending our own borders and the borders of our allies. But I should tell you that this region was founded with the very purpose of fighting the 'War on Communism'. It raged for several years and we had many successes, until around 2014/15 when we kind of grew tired of the effort we had to pour into maintaining the war effort and retired our offensive capabilities.

Muh Roads wrote:and we just laughed and laughed and laughed when the commies took our joke regions as victories after retirement.
1st Question: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the CFR? ***eyes the room suspiciously***

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Are you a commie-sympathizer??!questionmarkone
Nothing wrong with a Commie that a strong dose of Objective Reality in Social Contract with a community of Free People in Free Association as a Body Politic jealously guarding their Liberties with all Due Diligence; a 10 foot wooden rail, a bucket of hot tar, and a 20 lb bag of feathers cannot cure.

Auxorii wrote:No, I'm a libertarian. I think we should just mind our own business and not get involved with any other region's politics or civil disobedience
I concur in part. We should only be raiding regions who are not minding their own business... Commies are a superstitious and cowardly lot so we must be able to strike terror into their hearts. We must become a black, terrible, creature of the night ... no wait, that's Batman... In order for freedom to prevail those who wish to be let alone must be a terror to evildoers everywhere, and Socialism enforced by government is one of the greatest evils of our time.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:It is true that we, as libertarians, must refrain from acts of aggression; however, that does not mean we can't or shouldn't retaliate against those who threaten the adherents of libertarian ideologies. Pacifism is a noble ideal, but someone needs to protect the pacifists - why not us?

Sounds like a textbook Republican or Democrat, Communist regions don't threaten us. They're not looking to raid us. You're only going to be creating bigger problems.

St Pierre And Miquelon, Corliyernethordowath

It doesn't matter what they're doing with other regions, just because Russia is bombing ISIS doesn't mean we have to get involved. If they don't attack us, then it's not our place to get involved.

Hyderbourg, Corliyernethordowath

I concur with Auxorii

Hyderbourg

Auxorii wrote:Sounds like a textbook Republican ohr Democrat, Communist regions don't threaten us. They're not looking to raid us. You're only going to be creating bigger problems.

False. Considering it is only a matter of time, attacking them first is a matter of self defense.

Also this is a text based simulation, not real life.

Pevvania, Condealism

Republic Of Minerva wrote:False. Considering it is only a matter of time, attacking them first is a matter of self defense.

Also this is a text based simulation, not real life.

Not false. This is exactly what Republicans and Democrats say. The whole "We have to get them before they get us" is absurd and never works. The only time we should intervene is if it directly concerns us. If we recieve warnings that a group is planning on raiding us then yes, I would have a different opinion on that specific situation. However, saying that just because they're a different ideology we should be raiding them is ridiculous. If you're so concerned about us getting raided support closing the borders and having a password lock, which I wouldn't be opposed to, don't support direct military interventionism and then say it's in the name of libertarianism. That's like voting and saying it's in the name of monarchism.

St Pierre And Miquelon

Republic Of Minerva wrote:False. Considering it is only a matter of time, attacking them first is a matter of self defense.

Also this is a text based simulation, not real life.

Being fearful of people who have no business or reason in coming for you only increases tensions unnecessarily, there's no point to attacking them.

Auxorii

Attacking a region first is self defense? Come on. To quote Gary Johnson, we should have a DEFENSE, not OFFENSE.

War is something that affects and puts every nation in danger by the way, so if military action is on the table we should have a democratic vote on it. Not allow the whole region to be threatened because some people are interventionists

Teuberland, St Pierre And Miquelon, Corliyernethordowath

Auxorii wrote:Sounds like a textbook Republican or Democrat, Communist regions don't threaten us. They're not looking to raid us.

That is where you are wrong. There are dozens of militant communist regions that would jump at the opportunity to so much as tag raid us if it were given them. In fact, some have, once before.

Auxorii wrote:You're only going to be creating bigger problems.

This, however, is a possibility. We shall see.

Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:That is where you are wrong. There are dozens of militant communist regions that would jump at the opportunity to so much as tag raid us if it were given them. In fact, some have, once before.

This, however, is a possibility. We shall see.

Then close the borders instead of causing a whole military issue for this country

In fact, I wouldn't put it past our bored, insolent former adversaries to plant agents in this region precisely because they fear this sleeping giant may return to the battlefield and punish them for taking advantage of the peace we worked so hard to build.

Pevvania, St Pierre And Miquelon

Auxorii wrote:Then close the borders instead of causing a whole military issue for this country

There should be no reason for a community with open borders to fear oppression or the military ambitions of despotic extremists. We were established as a vanguard to ensure that "should be" shall become "is," and for awhile, we believed that we had achieved that purpose. Evidently there are certain war machines out there that didn't get the hint.

Miencraft

Condealism wrote:In fact, I wouldn't put it past our bored, insolent former adversaries to plant agents in this region precisely because they fear this sleeping giant may return to the battlefield and punish them for taking advantage of the peace we worked so hard to build.

If you are implying that I'm an agent, go look at my nation's past. Go ask my former region's countries. I have nothing to hide and I'm not a communist. I'm a libertarian.

If I seriously was an agent, why would I recommend closing the borders? Can't you see I'm just living up to the ideological ideals of libertarianism?

It's completely insulting to assume that I'm a communist agent, just because I disagree with raiding a country because of FEAR. I refuse to give in to fear and would rather take rational precautions to invasions rather than degenerate to "invading is a form of self defense."

Pevvania, St Pierre And Miquelon, Corliyernethordowath

Auxorii wrote:If you are implying that I'm an agent, go look at my nation's past. Go ask my former region's countries. I have nothing to hide and I'm not a communist. I'm a libertarian.

If I seriously was an agent, why would I recommend closing the borders? Can't you see I'm just living up to the ideological ideals of libertarianism?

It's completely insulting to assume that I'm a communist agent, just because I disagree with raiding a country because of FEAR. I refuse to give in to fear and would rather take rational precautions to invasions rather than degenerate to "invading is a form of self defense."

Even if not you, the strangers who have come - or will come - to agree with you are not necessarily so noble. Our former adversaries have endeavored to steer our personal conflicts in their favor before, even when there were heroes on both sides.

St Pierre And Miquelon

Condealism wrote:There should be no reason for a community with open borders to fear oppression or the military ambitions of despotic extremists. We were established as a vanguard to ensure that "should be" shall become "is," and for awhile, we believed that we had achieved that purpose. Evidently there are certain war machines out there that didn't get the hint.

I agree. We shouldn't be fearing anyone. So don't go raiding regions because you think they're plotting against us. Alls I proposed was that if you are so paranoid than recommend closing borders, and not invasions. If a region is evidently threatening us, then yes, I would see it differently. However, that's not the case in this discussion.

Also, if you're going to imply and try to jab me with ad hominems that I'm some communist puppet, at least have some sort of evidence besides giving in to your own paranoia and someone disagreeing with you

Auxorii wrote:I agree. We shouldn't be fearing anyone. So don't go raiding regions because you think they're plotting against us. Alls I proposed was that if you are so paranoid than recommend closing borders, and not invasions. If a region is evidently threatening us, then yes, I would see it differently. However, that's not the case in this discussion.

Also, if you're going to imply and try to jab me with ad hominems that I'm some communist puppet, at least have some sort of evidence besides giving in to your own paranoia and someone disagreeing with you

Our region is secure, or at least as secure as can be expected from any other region with an active founder and non-executive delegacy - there is no reason for us to close borders. Rational self-interest, however, should not be the only guiding principle of a libertarian society; the encroachment of the militant left has made some of our neighbors wary, and we seek to ensure not only our defense, but theirs - as well as that of the innocent.

Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:Even if not you, the strangers who have come - or will come - to agree with you are not necessarily so noble. Our former adversaries have endeavored to steer our personal conflicts in their favor before, even when there were heroes on both sides.

You sound paranoid. I don't see why they'd agree with me, as I'm saying we should stay out of conflicts, attack when threatened, and if something seems suspicious close the borders. These are just basic libertarian principles.

Condealism wrote:In fact, I wouldn't put it past our bored, insolent former adversaries to plant agents in this region precisely because they fear this sleeping giant may return to the battlefield and punish them for taking advantage of the peace we worked so hard to build.

Excuse the intrusion, but if you're afraid of the communists, it's your right to make official requests to this regions government. So, instead of alluding to secret communist agents and causing tension, let's try taking this up to the big guns, alright?

Auxorii

Condealism wrote:Our region is secure, or at least as secure as can be expected from any other region with an active founder and non-executive delegacy - there is no reason for us to close borders. Rational self-interest, however, should not be the only guiding principle of a libertarian society; the encroachment of the militant left has made some of our neighbors wary, and we seek to ensure not only our defense, but theirs - as well as that of the innocent.

If you really want what I made bold in your comment, you wouldn't be supporting what you're supporting.

Corliyernethordowath wrote:Excuse the intrusion, but if you're afraid of the communists, it's your right to make official requests to this regions government. So, instead of alluding to secret communist agents and causing tension, let's try taking this up to the big guns, alright?

He is the big guns.

As Secretary of State he handles foreign affairs.

Auxorii wrote:If you are implying that I'm an agent, go look at my nation's past.

I don't think anyone was implying this, honestly.

You guys are having a discussion, that's what this region is about, nobody needs to be attacking anybody else.

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, St Pierre And Miquelon, Uadilifu

Auxorii wrote:You sound paranoid. I don't see why they'd agree with me, as I'm saying we should stay out of conflicts, attack when threatened, and if something seems suspicious close the borders. These are just basic libertarian principles.

Do you think they would prefer not to placate us - to keep us out of the conflict - if it were in their power?

Corliyernethordowath wrote:Excuse the intrusion, but if you're afraid of the communists, it's your right to make official requests to this regions government. So, instead of alluding to secret communist agents and causing tension, let's try taking this up to the big guns, alright?

I am the Senate.

"No, you're not. In fact, you're not even a Senator - just the Chancellor of State."

I am the State.

"*sigh*"

It's breathin', then

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu

Condealism wrote:Do you think they would prefer not to placate us - to keep us out of the conflict - if it were in their power?

I am the Senate.

"No, you're not. In fact, you're not even a Senator - just the Chancellor of State."

I am the State.

"*sigh*"

It's breathin', then

I apologize, I should've looked before I made that comment.

Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu

Auxorii wrote:If you really want what I made bold in your comment, you wouldn't be supporting what you're supporting.

Perhaps not. To be fair, I am essentially playing devil's advocate here; I don't have a specific enemy in mind, nor am I certain I'd personally commit to a raid against them - I just know that they exist and we need to at least consider eliminating any such threats to other libertarian regions. Really, I almost feel as though I'm arguing with a past version of myself - you bring up a number of the points I brought up back when I called for our demilitarization.

Miencraft, St Pierre And Miquelon, Corliyernethordowath

Corliyernethordowath wrote:I apologize, I should've looked before I made that comment.

It's no big deal :)

Rateria, Corliyernethordowath

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Condealism wrote:Perhaps not. To be fair, I am essentially playing devil's advocate here; I don't have a specific enemy in mind, nor am I certain I'd personally commit to a raid against them - I just know that they exist and we need to at least consider eliminating any such threats to other libertarian regions. Really, I almost feel as though I'm arguing with a past version of myself - you bring up a number of the points I brought up back when I called for our demilitarization.

I'm glad you feel that way. Alls I am saying is we should be cautious, and that the only reason are military should be used is if there is a direct, immediate threat or if we are attacked. I am not activicating for a demilitarization of the region, I am advocating for a defense, not offense.

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Corliyernethordowath

Corliyernethordowath,

There's no need for apologies.

We have a very open government where almost anyone can participate, even yourself.

If you just telegram The United States Of Patriots, you can become a citizen and almost immediately start participating in our government. We have senate elections coming up soon, presidential elections coming up soon, and you can start your political party right now if you want.

Right now you can even ask the Chancellor of War, Chancellor of State, or Chancellor of the Interior to deputize you and help them with what they are working on.

There is even a vacant spot for solicitor general, you would telegram Humpheria for that position.

Right now there is only one active party, the Reaganist Libertarian Party- but you're more than free to make your own.

The same goes for Auxorii, if you do not like the current state of affairs, Libertatem is an open community, where you can be the change you want to see.

There is so many opportunities to create change and I hope that you find that these are accessible to you.

You guys are free to also ask me questions about any of these opportunities.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu, Corliyernethordowath

Wow I won delegate without even trying lol.

First order of business: I designate the regional instrument as the banjo.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, St Pierre And Miquelon, Uadilifu, Corliyernethordowath

Auxorii wrote:I'm glad you feel that way. Alls I am saying is we should be cautious, and that the only reason are military should be used is if there is a direct, immediate threat or if we are attacked. I am not activicating for a demilitarization of the region, I am advocating for a defense, not offense.

And I'm simply advocating that we take a few liberties with how we define defense, before the militant left decides to double down on their particular definition of offense. Only the losing side of a war would exclusively value honor over pragmatism.

Teuberland wrote:Wow I won delegate without even trying lol.

First order of business: I designate the regional instrument as the banjo.

TYRANNY!

Narland, Muh Roads, Rateria, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots, Corliyernethordowath

I play Nationstates as a game and for fun. It is a great opportunity to to express thoughts and opinions and work them out in an open forum of competing and rival views to learn, understand, and sharpen mine own. As far as the mechanics of Raiding I am rather clueless, but not adverse to the idea.

I reside in Libertatem because it has been a very cordial place. The views and opinions expressed tend to be thoughtful and considerate. The region seems to at least tolerate my wry humor and my sometimes not so sharp attempt at wit--not to mention innumerable deletions and reposts. I try to extend courtesy the to other nations who arrive and do not wish to see that lost. If raiding leads to residing nations being treated discourteously and with paranoia, suspicion and accusations such that the fun is lost it would be a step too far.

Pevvania, Condealism, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots, Uadilifu, Corliyernethordowath

Teuberland wrote:Wow I won delegate without even trying lol.

First order of business: I designate the regional instrument as the banjo.

I concur!

Teuberland

Teuberland wrote:Wow I won delegate without even trying lol.

First order of business: I designate the regional instrument as the banjo.

To be fair, it was a choice between you or all the other random nations with 1 endorsement.

Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland, The United States Of Patriots

Announcement from the Libertatem State Department:

I've reached out to most of our allies. Unfortunately, a few of them seem to lack any semblance of activity, friendship, and/or willingness to communicate, and I have telegrammed the President of my concerns in this area.

The International Republican Union has agreed to merge with us. Over the course of the next two weeks (I expect), we'll be getting a gradual influx of nations - if any come from the IRU in particular, I request that they be granted citizenship on the spot (and I've imposed a password there to keep strangers from taking advantage of this merger) and that you all give them a hearty welcome home.

I'll keep you all posted on any major department updates.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The Aradites, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, St Pierre And Miquelon, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu, Corliyernethordowath

Corliyernethordowath wrote:I concur!

As long a s the official Regional Orchestra include the theramin, electric bagpipes, metal accordian, crystal armonica and synthetic hurdy-gurdy along with that banjo.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, St Pierre And Miquelon, Uadilifu, Corliyernethordowath

Condealism wrote:Announcement from the Libertatem State Department:

I've reached out to most of our allies. Unfortunately, a few of them seem to lack any semblance of activity, friendship, and/or willingness to communicate, and I have telegrammed the President of my concerns in this area.

The International Republican Union has agreed to merge with us. Over the course of the next two weeks (I expect), we'll be getting a gradual influx of nations - if any come from the IRU in particular, I request that they be granted citizenship on the spot (and I've imposed a password there to keep strangers from taking advantage of this merger) and that you all give them a hearty welcome home.

I'll keep you all posted on any major department updates.

Yes, anyone who arrives from the IRU will be granted immediate citizenship.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order

Hyderbourg wrote:Yes, anyone who arrives from the IRU will be granted immediate citizenship.

Also, [nation=short]Jadentopian Order[/nation] should be given citizenship as well. His main nation is remaining behind to help me preserve the IRU as a museum.

St Pierre And Miquelon

Narland wrote:As long a s the official Regional Orchestra include the theramin, electric bagpipes, metal accordian, crystal armonica and synthetic hurdy-gurdy along with that banjo.

I agree completely, but can we also feature the occasional Singing Tesla Coil, Hardanger Fiddle, and a Dollar General Plastic Kazoo?

Narland, Rateria, St Pierre And Miquelon, Uadilifu

Ah, it's refreshing to see 45 new RMB posts.

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:Also, [nation=short]Jadentopian Order[/nation] should be given citizenship as well. His main nation is remaining behind to help me preserve the IRU as a museum.

Hyde already gave me the greenlight on Discord for citizenship :D

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

Corliyernethordowath wrote:I agree completely, but can we also feature the occasional Singing Tesla Coil, Hardanger Fiddle, and a Dollar General Plastic Kazoo?

Sounds great (tongue in cheek)! The Orchestra Performing Arts community of other Regions will be speechless. I would like to include a certain marble driven music machine but unfortunately it is not FOSS.

Rateria, St Pierre And Miquelon, Corliyernethordowath

Condealism wrote:Also, [nation=short]Jadentopian Order[/nation] should be given citizenship as well. His main nation is remaining behind to help me preserve the IRU as a museum.

Jadentopian Order wrote:Hyde already gave me the greenlight on Discord for citizenship :D

Just remember to make sure that [nation]The United States of Patriots[/nation] knows when people need to be given citizenship, because nothing happens if he doesn't know.

Fortunately, I already TG'd him about Jaden, but we'll have to keep record of the IRU newcomers and send all their names over to him so he can put them on the register.

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:Announcement from the Libertatem State Department:

I've reached out to most of our allies. Unfortunately, a few of them seem to lack any semblance of activity, friendship, and/or willingness to communicate, and I have telegrammed the President of my concerns in this area.

The International Republican Union has agreed to merge with us. Over the course of the next two weeks (I expect), we'll be getting a gradual influx of nations - if any come from the IRU in particular, I request that they be granted citizenship on the spot (and I've imposed a password there to keep strangers from taking advantage of this merger) and that you all give them a hearty welcome home.

I'll keep you all posted on any major department updates.

mmm, tasty annexat- i mean merging

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots

Auxorii wrote:Sounds like a textbook Republican or Democrat, Communist regions don't threaten us. They're not looking to raid us. You're only going to be creating bigger problems.

Democrat and Communist regions do not threaten us even when they do make threats.

Auxorii, Rateria, St Pierre And Miquelon

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:Democrat and Communist regions do not threaten us even when they do make threats.

Hah, exactly

Is this where the cool kids hang out

Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Auxorii, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order, Corliyernethordowath

The States Of Balloon wrote:Is this where the cool kids hang out

It is now (;

Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order

Auxorii, I see the work you're doing on the flag. It looks good.

Auxorii, Condealism, Corliyernethordowath

Hyderbourg wrote:Auxorii, I see the work you're doing on the flag. It looks good.

Thank you!

Auxorii wrote:Thank you!

You should hop on our discord! We are all online right now.

Link is in the WFE

Hyderbourg wrote:It is now (;

*wipes a tear from my eye* Never forget...

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

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