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French Communists wrote:This is what constantly goes through your head: "TYRANNY! IT SURRONDS ME! GOVERNMENT BAD, BUT ANARCHISM BAD TOO!" *spits dip from mouth*

We're talking about the possibilities of a gunman killing much more people than he can with a hunting rifle with grenades and M60's, not what would people do to defend themselves in a Fascistic and tyrranical state led by f*cking hitler and mussolini's genettically engineered son.

I am a Minarchist. Small Government is fine.

...I didn't think I would win a debate with such a mundane, yet macabre comment.

Its also late/early so french might have gone to bed.

Anyone here want a place to put their puppets? Telegram me. :)

Also as you see my nation is the 3rd in Arms manufacturing and its the 2nd biggest sector in my economy. So for economic perposes I need to sell arms to the people of libertatum

Y'all, I don't like communists. I really don't.

We know. You passed laws to discriminate against them m

We need more Anti-Left Laws!

No we do not. This is a democratic region, a tolerant democratic one like that and not the one party kind that happens in some more statist regions. FC is welcome to stay here as long as he likes.

The Amarican Empire wrote:You came here to debate, First question is Why do you think Communism will last when Their has been no True Communist Nation in Modern History and no self claimed Communist nation has lasted for at least 100 years?

I guess you could say the same about libertarianism ^_^

French Communists wrote:Hello, everyone! I came here to debate and discuss, but looks like I've been banned from my previous region, so this might become a long-term stay.

Welcome, French. A few of us are a little rough around the edges when it comes to leftists, but we're still a generally tolerant bunch. You'll fit right in.

Lack There Of wrote:I hate this question. It can easily be turned around, "well if the free market is so great why has it never been done successfully" While the historical aspects of practical application of ideology shouldn't be ignored, it would be much more beneficial if the ups and downs of an ideology were discussed in a purely hypothetical setting in which the society in question acts accordingly to the philosophy in question.

This.

French Communists wrote:So people should be able to Frag Grenades? RPG's? Miniguns?

Hm... I wonder what would resort from that.

It's funny that you bring this up, as I actually addressed the WMD fallacy the other day.

Pevvania wrote:I think it's ridiculous how some gun control advocates say "Well if people can own assault rifles then why can't they own nuclear weapons and ICBMs?"

Firearms and knives are designed so that their users are able to choose who they target with them, so they can be used effectively for self-defense rather than mindless indiscriminate killing. WMDs are built as weapons of mass murder. They are designed to terminate the lives of thousands of people in a given area. You can't program a nuke to kill some people and not others.

Firearms are tools of self-defense that can be controlled by mental impulses, but WMDs are haphazard killers, so are naturally unlawful and can never be used in any legitimate conflict situation without destroying the lives of noncombatants.

Good, you saved Fusionism! They have been an ally of Libertatem for a long time.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Idk, sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me. Ok red.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but hollow points explode on impact.

Just got back from a 4.5 mile run. I think I'm going to lie down for the next six years.

Pevvania wrote:Just got back from a 4.5 mile run. I think I'm going to lie down for the next six years.

I feel ya

Pevvania wrote:Just got back from a 4.5 mile run. I think I'm going to lie down for the next six years.

I imagine you wearing a shirt with the Pevvanian flag on it while you run.

Actually, that's a good idea. I should get a bunch of money together and make 'Tatem shirts. Yeah.

I have returned. Welcome, France. Are you actually French?

Humpheria wrote:I have returned. Welcome, France. Are you actually French?

I'm a bit French, yes.

I had recently discovered this game while reading some alternate history articles. I love alternate history. While looking at flags (I was planning on writing a short alternate history on whatever flag caught my mind) I found this one and decided to make a NationStates nation with it.

I agree with your arguement, Pevvania. I used Frag Grenades as an example for a weapon that A) Cannot be used for self defense (unless a small regiment of muggers atack you xD) and B) It has not other use. A rifle is used for hunting and knife is used for gutting, opening containters, among 1000's of other things. You cannot mass-murder with a knife and you'd have to be very skilled to mass-murder with a hunting rifle. But something like a Frag Grenade is whole other story. If you throw a Frag Grenade into a crowd of people, you're going to kill/wound a lot. If you ran into a crowd of people with a knife you will stab much less before being tackled by the crowd. It'd simple logic people shouldn't own Grenades or large explosives of any sort. That does not deter the firing range (or shooting club/shooting society in a Communist society) from having Grenades for skilled members to use in the ranges field.

French Communists wrote:I agree with your arguement, Pevvania. I used Frag Grenades as an example for a weapon that A) Cannot be used for self defense (unless a small regiment of muggers atack you xD) and B) It has not other use. A rifle is used for hunting and knife is used for gutting, opening containters, among 1000's of other things. You cannot mass-murder with a knife and you'd have to be very skilled to mass-murder with a hunting rifle. But something like a Frag Grenade is whole other story. If you throw a Frag Grenade into a crowd of people, you're going to kill/wound a lot. If you ran into a crowd of people with a knife you will stab much less before being tackled by the crowd. It'd simple logic people shouldn't own Grenades or large explosives of any sort. That does not deter the firing range (or shooting club/shooting society in a Communist society) from having Grenades for skilled members to use in the ranges field.

But of course... We have mindless fools like 'Murica who takes my arguements against the use of WMD's as a infringment on his right to protect himself from the "evil and tyrranical regime" he lives under.

Miencraft wrote:I imagine you wearing a shirt with the Pevvanian flag on it while you run.

Actually, that's a good idea. I should get a bunch of money together and make 'Tatem shirts. Yeah.

Good idea, but I'd feel bad if you spent money on the region! Are you any good at graphic design, by any chance? I'd like to have some 'Pev 2014' campaign posters crafted.

Humpheria wrote:I have returned. Welcome, France. Are you actually French?

Welcome back, Humpheria!

French Communists wrote:I'm a bit French, yes.

I had recently discovered this game while reading some alternate history articles. I love alternate history. While looking at flags (I was planning on writing a short alternate history on whatever flag caught my mind) I found this one and decided to make a NationStates nation with it.

I'm descended from perhaps the most famous French person of all time, so I guess you could say I have a little bit of it in my blood too.

Pevvania wrote:Good idea, but I'd feel bad if you spent money on the region! Are you any good at graphic design, by any chance? I'd like to have some 'Pev 2014' campaign posters crafted.

Welcome back, Humpheria!

I'm descended from perhaps the most famous French person of all time, so I guess you could say I have a little bit of it in my blood too.

I can only guess who that is. ;)

French Communists wrote:I can only guess who that is. ;)

Hint: it's not Napoleon.

It's Proudhon! Nah, Mutualist Philosophy joke.

French Communists wrote:It's Proudhon! Nah, Mutualist Philosophy joke.

Mutualism is a very interesting economic theory. A nice blend of Austrian and Marxian economics, but ultimately misguided.

Pevvania wrote:Mutualism is a very interesting economic theory. A nice blend of Austrian and Marxian economics, but ultimately misguided.

I have my issues with the idea, as well. I respect for founding Anarchism as a modern though.

Hey, hey, hey, you gained a new nation today!

I have returned once more!

I'm back with the gang.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140103085413/sonicfanchara/images/6/61/Forever_Alone_(God_dammit,_Ross).jpg

French Communists wrote:A fascist?! Oh no!

Neither of us are fascists.

National Socialists?! Oh no!

French Communists wrote:National Socialists?! Oh no!

That's even worse. We aren't National Socialists, either.

Welcome back to the both of you! [nation=short]Rotgeheim[/nation] was one of our first Military Managers, over a year ago, back in Libertatem's infancy. [nation=short]Northern Prussia[/nation] is Scheinfeld, I believe? Anyway, he was here a few months ago, but left to join the IRU.

French Communists wrote:National Socialists?! Oh no!

I prefer to call myself a Liberal Imperial Parliamentary Confederacy. That's what I refer to myself as.

Post self-deleted by French Communists.

Rotgeheim wrote:I prefer to call myself a Liberal Imperial Parliamentary Confederacy. That's what I refer to myself as.

Same

I encourage you to join (or create) a party.

I hereby found the Liberal-Imperial Party!

Rotgeheim wrote:I hereby found the Liberal-Imperial Party!

If you're not a National Socialist of a Fascist for that matter, explain your fact books. You know, the ones that use swastikas and other National Socialist symbols... even the early flag.

Rotgeheim wrote:I hereby found the Liberal-Imperial Party!

Could you explain to me your political ideology?

More former military managers eh?

Please telegram me and I'll give you a briefing on what happened and what is happening.

French Communists wrote:If you're not a National Socialist of a Fascist for that matter, explain your fact books. You know, the ones that use swastikas and other National Socialist symbols... even the early flag.

I don't have any swastikas. I have the Iron Cross, which is a symbol of Germany and Lutheranism (my religion, mind you). In no way, shape, or form is my country fascist or National Socialist.

The Verteidigungsstaffel is a multi-national quick-reaction force - much like the United States Marines - designed to counter military threats.

Why not use the term "national liberal?" or National Liberal Party (NLP)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_liberalism

Rotgeheim wrote:I don't have any swastikas. I have the Iron Cross, which is a symbol of Germany and Lutheranism (my religion, mind you). In no way, shape, or form is my country fascist or National Socialist.

The Verteidigungsstaffel is a multi-national quick-reaction force - much like the United States Marines - designed to counter military threats.

Look at the symbols in the Military factbook, the first one. They portray swastikas.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Why not use the term "national liberal?" or National Liberal Party (NLP)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_liberalism

That's actually better.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=rotgeheim/detail=factbook/id=242089*cough* Panzer Decisions *cough*

French Communists wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=rotgeheim/detail=factbook/id=242089*cough* Panzer Decisions *cough*

Do you know what a Panzer is? All German-speaking countries use the term "Panzer" when referring to armored units (called "tanks" in colloquial English). Panzer-Divisions are utilized by all German-speaking countries even today.

Rotgeheim, I love your factbooks. They're so detailed and well-crafted.

Pevvania wrote:Rotgeheim, I love your factbooks. They're so detailed and well-crafted.

Thank you! I really strive to make them the best I can!

Rotgeheim wrote:Do you know what a Panzer is? All German-speaking countries use the term "Panzer" when referring to armored units (called "tanks" in colloquial English). Panzer-Divisions are utilized by all German-speaking countries even today.

The symbols on the sides!

Rotgeheim wrote:Thank you! I really strive to make them the best I can!

Pevvania wrote:Rotgeheim, I love your factbooks. They're so detailed and well-crafted.

I do also enjoy how detailed they are and the length of them.

French Communists wrote:The symbols on the sides!

Those are Balkenkreuze. They're not Swastikas. You're really disappointing me with your lack of knowledge pertaining to WWII. The Balkenkreuz is a symbol used in even modern military formations (mostly utilized by Germany). It's an identification symbol and has no political affiliation tied to it.

French Communists wrote:The symbols on the sides!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism

Read this, please. After you check out those Nazi symbols, then look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz

Rotgeheim wrote:Those are Balkenkreuze. They're not Swastikas. You're really disappointing me with your lack of knowledge pertaining to WWII. The Balkenkreuz is a symbol used in even modern military formations (mostly utilized by Germany). It's an identification symbol and has no political affiliation tied to it.

Swastikas with curved ends aren't swastikas at all? Interesting, learn something new everyday.

Hey Rotgheim, hey Northern Prussia! This is [nation=short]Blahbania[/nation]. Welcome to Libertatem.

French Communists wrote:Swastikas with curved ends aren't swastikas at all? Interesting, learn something new everyday.

Those aren't Swastikas. Those are Maltese Crosses, Balkan Crosses, and Iron Crosses. The one I use, the Iron Cross, actually originated in Jerusalem.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Hey Rotgheim, hey Northern Prussia! This is [nation=short]Blahbania[/nation]. Welcome to Libertatem.

Friends are everywhere! Woah! Hey, Blahbania!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/5th_SS_Division_Logo.svg/25px-5th_SS_Division_Logo.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/12th_SS_Division_Logo.svg/25px-12th_SS_Division_Logo.svg.png

Oh, you're referring to those? Those aren't Swastikas, either. Those are Nordic. Swastikas have straight edges.

Ill be joining the Liberal-Imperial Party!

Northern Prussia wrote:Ill be joining the Liberal-Imperial Party!

National Liberal* Party :)

Northern Prussia wrote:Ill be joining the Liberal-Imperial Party!

Good to see you're on board, mein guter Kamerad!

Northern Prussia wrote:Ill be joining the Liberal-Imperial Party!

It's the National Liberal Party, by the way. I forgot to tell you it's been renamed.

Post self-deleted by Northern Prussia.

Northern Prussia wrote:Für Partie, Präsident, und Völker!

Ich denk, "Leute und Land".

Ok, Für Leute und länder!

Northern Prussia wrote:Ok, Für Leute und länder!

Nur Land, nicht Lländer. Wir haben doch einen Land.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Invade France!

*waves white flag immediately*

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Invade France!

That is a wonderful Idea.

There is a very disturbing contradiction in the Constitution: Article VII, Section I guarantees that "The government shall make no law enforcing an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

But at the same time, Article VIII says that "In case of invasion of our region, all radically leftist nations who are WA delegates will be ejected and banned to insure the security and stability of the region. Nations only moderately leftist will be permitted to enter the region without fear of banishment."

And at the same time, we've got the POLICY Act, which is essentially a reaffirmation of Article I of the Bill of Rights. I'm going to speak with the Founder and see if I can amend Article VIII to remove the Leftist Clause, and perhaps the Fascist Clause.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Invade France!

Let's do it!

The Amarican Empire wrote:Für Deutschland!

Für die Ehre des Reiches!

The Amarican Empire wrote:Für Deutschland!

I like your flag. A nice blend between the Gadsden Flag and the Stars and Stripes.

*builds trench defense along border*

French Communists wrote:*builds trench defense along border*

*easily navigates through a forest to invade your neighbors, then subsequently you*

We will go around like last time

Northern Prussia wrote:We will go around like last time

Step ahead of you, my friend. We've already taken half of the country.

Pevvania wrote:I like your flag. A nice blend between the Gadsden Flag and the Stars and Stripes.

Danke Pevvania

Ich liebe Deutschland und wurde alles fur sie tun! Sieg heil miene Bruder!

Sorry my computer will not let me make umlauts.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Ich liebe Deutschland und wurde alles fur sie tun! Sieg heil miene Bruder!

Sorry my computer will not let me make umlauts.

When you can't make umlauts, just put an "e" after the desired vowel. It's just as correct as using the umlaut in the first place (i.e. Brüder becomes Brueder).

I didn't realise that [nation=short]Actum[/nation] had co-authored The PATRIOT Act. Interesting.

Rotgeheim wrote:When you can't make umlauts, just put an "e" after the desired vowel. It's just as correct as using the umlaut in the first place (i.e. Brüder becomes Brueder).

I've never done that in my German typing before, nor have I ever heard of that.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I've never done that in my German typing before, nor have I ever heard of that.

It's perfectly acceptable. Believe me, it's widely used.

Present I'm considering giving my girlfriend when she gets out of rehab Wednesday. A fully domesticated Marble Fox. It is amazingly cute.

http://jpgmag.com/stories/11798

Pevvania wrote:Good idea, but I'd feel bad if you spent money on the region! Are you any good at graphic design, by any chance? I'd like to have some 'Pev 2014' campaign posters crafted.

Nope, I have no skills of the sort at all. I just do flag commissions.

Matter of fact, Humpy will be able to tell you about my skills.

That was a joke, by the way. I just remembered that sarcasm doesn't carry well over the internet.

Glory to Pev.The Eternal Leader!

Humpheria wrote:Present I'm considering giving my girlfriend when she gets out of rehab Wednesday. A fully domesticated Marble Fox. It is amazingly cute.

http://jpgmag.com/stories/11798

It's pretty damn cute. I hope your girlfriend kicks whatever she has.

And by the way, how'd the hospital appointment go? How are you feeling?

Humpheria wrote:Present I'm considering giving my girlfriend when she gets out of rehab Wednesday. A fully domesticated Marble Fox. It is amazingly cute.

http://jpgmag.com/stories/11798

OOOOH WAIT A MINUTE THE MARBLE FOX! I looked that up the other day. Aren't there only around a hundred in existence? Buying one of those must be pricey!

What does the fox say anyway?

Pevvania wrote:It's pretty damn cute. I hope your girlfriend kicks whatever she has.

And by the way, how'd the hospital appointment go? How are you feeling?

I'm just sore, will be for awhile. I have rehab appointments weekly for a month. She is is a rehab center in Indy til Wednesday. Family is pretty mad. I was supposed to go get some TL&C at my parent's house, but I ditched em at the hospital to go to Indy for the hospital. What I've learned- never get in an accident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_DVvNK7mRA&hd=1

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