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Do people not realize that I don't personally send out recruitment TGs to people? I've already had two people respond to me as if I actually took the time to go to their nation page and personally send them a message.

Better question: Why is it even possible to hit "reply" on messages marked as Recruitment?

Narland, Rateria, Condealism

To my knowledge there's one scientific study I can think of that concludes the minimum wage has either positive or insignificant effects on wages and employment. This is the Card and Krueger study, executed in the mid 90s in New Jersey. Regressive leftists of the Paul Krugman/Robert Reich vein often point to this study as some kind of a 'gotcha!' when people accuse the minimum wage of being corrosive to employment.

The problem is that this study was horribly flawed in its conception and the results should not be taken seriously. The two economists, Card and Krueger, studied the effects of a 1992 state minimum wage increase in the New Jersey restaurant business. Instead of using payroll records - which turned out to show significant job losses when analysed by economists ad hoc - they used telephone records from an old phone book, and used a very small sample size. Even the media denounced the study after it was exposed, using terms like "snake oil", "dubious numbers", "grossly inaccurate" and "plain wrong".

Yet dopey Robert Reich and his army of morons continue to cite this study, showing just how much intellectual honesty they have left. When these people are the intellectual voices of the left, you have to feel bad for them!

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Condealism

Thanks all for the support! Viva Hyderbourg.

Narland, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:To my knowledge there's one scientific study I can think of that concludes the minimum wage has either positive or insignificant effects on wages and employment. This is the Card and Krueger study, executed in the mid 90s in New Jersey. Regressive leftists of the Paul Krugman/Robert Reich vein often point to this study as some kind of a 'gotcha!' when people accuse the minimum wage of being corrosive to employment.

The problem is that this study was horribly flawed in its conception and the results should not be taken seriously. The two economists, Card and Krueger, studied the effects of a 1992 state minimum wage increase in the New Jersey restaurant business. Instead of using payroll records - which turned out to show significant job losses when analysed by economists ad hoc - they used telephone records from an old phone book, and used a very small sample size. Even the media denounced the study after it was exposed, using terms like "snake oil", "dubious numbers", "grossly inaccurate" and "plain wrong".

Yet dopey Robert Reich and his army of morons continue to cite this study, showing just how much intellectual honesty they have left. When these people are the intellectual voices of the left, you have to feel bad for them!

From what I've seen, most studies that find that the Min Wage does not have a, "significant affect on unemployment," do not account for negative affect on employment growth.

A sufficiently healthy economy can support a Min Wage increase without causing increased unemployment (dependent upon the degree of the increase, of course), but it always has some negative affect upon employment. You just need to know where to look.

Narland, Condealism

Good to see lots of new countries coming in!

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

You see, my brilliant telegram message worked.

Narland, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You see, my brilliant telegram message worked.

Excellent job.

Narland

I've been to a TON of places to test them and I want to stay here. The community and rules are very good.

Narland, Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Ancapistanville

Welcome to Libertatem.

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:From what I've seen, most studies that find that the Min Wage does not have a, "significant affect on unemployment," do not account for negative affect on employment growth.

A sufficiently healthy economy can support a Min Wage increase without causing increased unemployment (dependent upon the degree of the increase, of course), but it always has some negative affect upon employment. You just need to know where to look.

Also studies rarely cover the working rural interactive economy where cost of living is so low that the detriment of minimum wage laws are readily quantified.

We seem to be growing quite a bit. I'm glad that we are getting some new members.

Narland, Fairbankska

Greetings Libertatem,

I am [nation=short]American Grand Eagle[/nation], Superiorem Merionem Region's Secretary of Foreign Affairs. I am eager to work with you guys and hope we can strengthen our bond as great, proud regions. If there any questions or concerns, you can telegram me anytime. If one of our members, spams or trolls your RMB please do not hesitate to contact me as soon as possible. If you know of any possible threats to you or any allied regions of yours, please by all means contact our Secretary of External Defense, [nation=short]Marksista[/nation].

Thank you for your time.

Miencraft, Rateria

I hope I can work with you guys. This is probably the best chance I have at a place that realizes I stand for freedom.

Of science.

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Experimentopolis wrote:I hope I can work with you guys. This is probably the best chance I have at a place that realizes I stand for freedom.

Of science.

Welcome to Libertatem. Freedom of science is an interesting attestation. I hope you find this a good home with plenty of conversation. To paraphrase Voltaire, "I may disagree with your empirically derived double-blind controlled environment hypothesized procedurally derived data falsifying or affirming conclusions but will defend to the death your right to say it." ;)
Fantastic World wrote:I've been to a TON of places to test them and I want to stay here. The community and rules are very good.
Also, welcome to Libertatem. We hope you enjoy it here as well. :)

It was sad to find out that one of my favorite comedians whom I had assumed died ages ago had just died recently at 103. RIP "Professor" Irwin Corey, the Worlds Foremost Authority (1914-1917). It is even sadder to find out that he had been blacklisted in the 1950s for being a Marxist (which now explains why it was so hard to find copies of his acts when looking for them in the 70s and 80s.) He financially supported Cuba throughout his life through a front organization, and even till the end supported Bernie Sanders in this last election. I suppose if it wasn't for the internet we would have never known what a subversive he was to Liberty--without which our only hint probably would have been reading between the lines that NPR considered him one of the greats. Sadness.

Narland wrote:It was sad to find out that one of my favorite comedians whom I had assumed died ages ago had just died recently at 103. RIP "Professor" Irwin Corey, the Worlds Foremost Authority (1914-1917). It is even sadder to find out that he had been blacklisted in the 1950s for being a Marxist (which now explains why it was so hard to find copies of his acts when looking for them in the 70s and 80s.) He financially supported Cuba throughout his life through a front organization, and even till the end supported Bernie Sanders in this last election. I suppose if it wasn't for the internet we would have never known what a subversive he was to Liberty--without which our only hint probably would have been reading between the lines that NPR considered him one of the greats. Sadness.

Pitty one so brilliant was so freakin' clueless.

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DAVID LEYONJHELM JUST MET WITH RAND PAUL

Republic Of Minerva, Hyderbourg

Pevvania wrote:DAVID LEYONJHELM JUST MET WITH RAND PAUL

Pics or it didnt happen

Hyderbourg

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Pics or it didnt happen

Check out Dave's Facebook page bro

Dates to keep in mind:

-May 1st: Senate elections

-(From what I understand of the constitution) April 26th-29th: Presidential elections

Republic Of Minerva, Hyderbourg

Could people stop responding to my recruitment TG kay thanks.

Do these people seriously not understand that this is all automated? I don't know or care whom it gets to unless they actually move here.

I mean, I could check whom it's scheduled to be delivered to but that's just a waste of energy. Already got at least a dozen people that actually seem to have legitimately thought I took the time to personally send them an invitation.

I bet they also go through and respond to every single one of the dozen or more recruitment TGs you're guaranteed to get spammed with as a new nation.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Ancapistanville

Hey guys!

I'm new here, and to the game, and I chose Libertatem because freedom reigns the most out of all the other regions I looked at. I always welcome good political discourse and I look forward to getting to know you and engaging with the community!

Thanks,

1776

Miencraft, Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Hyderbourg, Ancapistanville

Miencraft wrote:Could people stop responding to my recruitment TG kay thanks.

Do these people seriously not understand that this is all automated? I don't know or care whom it gets to unless they actually move here.

I mean, I could check whom it's scheduled to be delivered to but that's just a waste of energy. Already got at least a dozen people that actually seem to have legitimately thought I took the time to personally send them an invitation.

I bet they also go through and respond to every single one of the dozen or more recruitment TGs you're guaranteed to get spammed with as a new nation.

This happens so often in Gay that they dedicate the occasional RMB post to a "telegram of the week."

Miencraft, Rateria, Hyderbourg

Welcome!

17.76 is the number of money that I withhold from the IRS

*hides*

Pevvania, Rateria, Seventeen Seventy-Six

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Welcome!

17.76 is the number of money that I withhold from the IRS

*hides*

Now we know who's knocking on your door all the time.

Hyderbourg, Ancapistanville

MRW some skinny guy from La Mancha marches up to my farm and declares war on all the "giants": https://youtu.be/ZQg8JKo_3ZQ?t=2s

Hyderbourg, Fairbankska

Just a message for all nations arriving in Libertatem,

[B]Don't forget to apply for citizenship![/B]

Citizenship will allow your nation to vote in our elections, run for office, and be added to the Map of Libertatem.

Send these questions (and their answers) to The United States Of Patriots!

On what date did you arrive in Libertatem?

Are you currently acting as an Ambassador?

If so for whom?

Do you have any puppet states?

If so do you currently have any in Libertatem?

What is your reason for seeking citizenship?

Rateria, Ancapistanville

Hyderbourg wrote:and be added to the Map of Libertatem

More realistically, be added to a waiting list to be put onto the Map because I haven't updated it in damn near a year by now and might just scrap the project.

Miencraft wrote:Could people stop responding to my recruitment TG kay thanks.

Do these people seriously not understand that this is all automated? I don't know or care whom it gets to unless they actually move here.

I mean, I could check whom it's scheduled to be delivered to but that's just a waste of energy. Already got at least a dozen people that actually seem to have legitimately thought I took the time to personally send them an invitation.

I bet they also go through and respond to every single one of the dozen or more recruitment TGs you're guaranteed to get spammed with as a new nation.

Did you get another missile through the windshield?

Hahahaha the Dems filibustered Gorsuch. Now the GOP will go nuclear and will be able to confirm as many constitutionalist justices as they like. Thanks Cuck Schumer!

The Ambassador To The Clfr

The MSM and deep state are trying to drag the US into a war with Syria. Resist, Papa Trump!

Left-wing media on suicide watch:

"At 49, Gorsuch has the potential to shape the supreme court for generations to come, cementing the advantage conservatives have held in recent years. Democrats must pray Trump is a one-term president who only gets one opportunity to name a justice. His power at the moment confirms again what a disastrous failure Hillary Clinton’s campaign really was and why Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the beloved liberal hero of the supreme court, deserves only opprobrium for not retiring when Obama and a Senate Democratic majority had a chance to name an ideologically suitable replacement."

- The Guardian

Narland, Fairbankska

Next step, expand the supreme court to include 15 to 21 Justices and quarantine the lunacy of the 9th Circuit to Southern and Central California. Confine the despotic hubris of Olympia and Salem (western Washington and western Oregon) to its own circus court and stick Hawaii in one of those two. Then start relieving judges who persist in bad behaviour. No judge too big to fail.

Pevvania wrote:Left-wing media on suicide watch:

"At 49, Gorsuch has the potential to shape the supreme court for generations to come, cementing the advantage conservatives have held in recent years. Democrats must pray Trump is a one-term president who only gets one opportunity to name a justice. His power at the moment confirms again what a disastrous failure Hillary Clinton’s campaign really was and why Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the beloved liberal hero of the supreme court, deserves only opprobrium for not retiring when Obama and a Senate Democratic majority had a chance to name an ideologically suitable replacement."

- The Guardian

You're enjoying this too much, love.

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Hahahaha the Dems filibustered Gorsuch. Now the GOP will go nuclear and will be able to confirm as many constitutionalist justices as they like. Thanks Cuck Schumer!

Actually, you may thank Harry Reid (Idiot-NV) for setting the stage up for that one.

Pevvania

50 missiles fired at Syria

Can the Trump supporters here explain this one?

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I reluctantly support Trump in expectation in doing these things:

1. Break the back of the Beltway Establishment--especially the Bush political machine. (Drain the Swamp)

2. Repeal and Replace Obamacare. (I blame Ryan for this failure)

3. Get rid of GATT and NAFTA. (Independent businessmen cannot survive against the Chambers of Commerce with these monstrosities in place.)

4. Lower taxes

5. Simplify the tax code.

Everything will be a battle of wills and prone to disappointment but less so than with Clinton. Trump has been Reform Party and helped establish it's platform (and has been consistent with it except for 2 areas--he is pro-life, and pro-borders. He jumped from party to party and has been both Dem and GOP before going GOP again. His generals are war hawks and his wife and kids are moderate to liberal Democrats. He will listen to their suation, and therefore must be reminded constantly that the Constitution and Liberty are at stake. Vigilance -- constantly calling/emailing/writing the White House, keeping in touch with our Congressmen, and reminding them of their duty to uphold and defend the Constitution and its principles (--to wit, secure the blessing of Liberty) are needed to be consistently and persistently applied.

The national alternative was a criminally insane grifter of globalist proportions riding on the urban populism of socialist progressivism--it was she who was the most imminent danger to be averted. Trump is not the best choice, but he is the best chance we have to retake this country. As much as I wanted to vote Libertarian or Constitution this election even knowing their chance slim, the danger from the Mormon Industrial/Intelligence Establishment and their spoiler candidate, McMullin/Finn was a more needful vote for Trump in my state which has more LDS per capita than Utah. Trump is the first GOP President I have voted for since Reagan. It had been Libertarian or Constitution every other time. Regardless and in repetition--vigilance and constant and persistent contact with all elected representatives are necessary in this battle for freedom.

Pevvania

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I'm pro-opening ANWR and reducing the EPA's clout, which is why I preferred Trump over Clinton.

I have basically no confidence in Trump for anything else, be it healthcare (where he supported a failed Obamacare-lite bill from Ryan), security policy (where he has promised to make things worse by expanding NSA power), or genuinely breaking the Beltway Establishment's back. The reason why: Rex Tillerson, while a great pick for State, was recommended by three people. Robert Gates, Condi Rice, Jim Baker. George H. W. Bush's longtime ally, protege, and consigliere. I couldn't imagine a more establishment pick. He just happens to be from the reasoned, realist, non-quixotic "chaos is bad for business" Big Oil wing of the establishment.

Republic Of Minerva

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Proudly cast my first presidential vote for Johnson, for the record, since I live in one of the most solid (though not most conservative; our state GOP is divided between the "Big Oil" Murkowski faction and the "union hacks" Palinista faction, the former are only vaguely center-right and the latter are economically center-left) of red states. The Libertarian Party has long stood to make huge gains here, and sometimes nets up to 30% in statewide elections. We've had Libertarian state legislators before.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism

Meh. Trump bombed an empty air field, big deal. Of course, if this brings the US further into the conflict then he needs to be very careful.

In other news, Gorsuch gets confirmed to the Supreme Court! CAN'T REPEAL THE NEIL

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Narland wrote:oday Narland ranked dead last for the most politically apathetic citizens in Libertatem. That arguably makes them the least apathetic citizens. The prefix "a-" means "not" for Greco-Latin root words adopted into the English language. The philosraptor part of the brain must ask, "Does that make Narland the least politically not pathetic citizens in Libertatem?" -- or more to the affirmative, the "the most politically pathetic citizens?" =) If only Don Rickles were here. RIP (May 8, 1926 – April 6, 2017)

I heard about Don Rickles. R.I.P.

Narland, Fairbankska

Today Narland ranked dead last for the most politically apathetic citizens in Libertatem. That arguably makes them the least apathetic citizens. The prefix "a-" means "not" for Greco-Latin root words adopted into the English language. The philosraptor part of the brain must ask, "Does that make Narland the least politically not pathetic citizens in Libertatem?" -- or more to the affirmative, the "the most politically pathetic citizens?" =) If only Don Rickles were here.

RIP Don Rickles (May 8, 1926 – April 6, 2017), stand-up comedian, actor. and insult comic who could out-heckle the best of hecklers.

The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Fairbankska, United Carolina Nations

Updated Census (Summary):

Population: 70

Citizens: 25

Active Citizens: 17

Inactive: 8

CTE'd:26

For the full report check the Citizenry Factbook.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria

Rest in peace, Mr. Potato Head. :(

Pevvania, Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria

Narland wrote:RIP Don Rickles (May 8, 1926 – April 6, 2017), stand-up comedian, actor. and insult comic who could out-heckle the best of hecklers.

There will never be another Don Rickles. He came at a time when America still had a sense of humor. There will never be another.

Narland, Rateria, United Carolina Nations

What's happening, dudes?

Pevvania wrote:What's happening, dudes?

Enjoying my day off work, about to play some Skyrim. You?

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva

Condealism wrote:Enjoying my day off work, about to play some Skyrim. You?

Enjoying my extended break from work (*cough cough* temporary unemployment), just finished playing some Knights of the Old Republic, and now I'm gonna get some rest for my audition tomorrow.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:...and now I'm gonna get some rest for my audition tomorrow.

For?

Pevvania wrote:What's happening, dudes?

On vacation in San Francisco. It's nice, but #EastCoastBestCoast

Pevvania

#WestCoastBestCoast

#NorthCoastBest-erCoast

I've just been doing schoolwork, and playing Overwatch. Way too much Overwatch.

Rateria

Fairbankska wrote:#WestCoastBestCoast

#NorthCoastBest-erCoast

I've just been doing schoolwork, and playing Overwatch. Way too much Overwatch.

I heard that they're altering Lúcio's ability.

Rateria wrote:I heard that they're altering Lúcio's ability.

Ability, like the wall-run? I always thought that was kinda hard to use well, should have more vertical movement.

Rateria

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:Ability, like the wall-run? I always thought that was kinda hard to use well, should have more vertical movement.

All of his things are getting changed. Dunno if the patch already went through, but they cut his area of effect down to just 10 meters, and his ult down to 20, both from 30.

Personally I think they should have just had them both be 20.

Rateria, Fairbankska

The United States Of Patriots wrote:For?

The London Central School of Speech and Drama. Didn't get to the recall, and since that was my last audition, it looks like I'm going to Cal Poly! :)

Narland, Rateria

Speaking of Overwatch, the event is live from now until the first.

Rateria

I've heard a lot about Overwatch, but tell me, why should I buy it? I've played a lot of shooters in my time. What makes this one different from the rest?

Condealism

Pevvania wrote:I've heard a lot about Overwatch, but tell me, why should I buy it? I've played a lot of shooters in my time. What makes this one different from the rest?

The memes.

Pevvania, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:What makes this one different from the rest?

I play it.

Rateria, Fairbankska

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The cool characters, the fun arenas to fight in, the interesting combat mechanics and (mostly) unique roles each character plays.

Also it's really fun. Mostly that.

Pevvania, Rateria, Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/790843/world-war-3-china-bomb-north-korea-kim-jong-un-nuclear-test/amp

The art of the deal, folks!

Another great week for libertarians and Trump supporters. Gorsuch confirmed, Trump reaffirms the US will not go into Syria, Hillary says she'll never run again, cooperation with the Chinese on North Korea is looking good, and healthcare reform is revived in Congress. Nice!

Narland, Condealism, Fairbankska

I don't know how the right to birth (of the unborn) can be upheld consistently and logically. Most arguments I've seen end up with logical conclusion that even post birth, the child could have to be taken cared of without end.

I think Ruth Bader Ginsburg is up there with Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, W Bush, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in terms of inflicting the most damage on the US Constitution and system of government in the past 30 years. She has repeatedly shown herself as having absolutely no class and no principles. She sides with the regressive left's agenda unquestionably and unflinchingly in every case brought before the Court. She has no real principles either. To her, the law is something to be twisted and bent to suit the wills of her overlords in the DNC.

I would never wish for somebody's death. But I do hope she's replaced with someone who cares about the Constitution, and soon. Judicial activism and legal relativism must end!

Miencraft, Narland, Fairbankska

I really couldn't disagree more.

When did progressives start to be called regressive? At what point does trying to go forward be see as backward by those who disagree? RBG has had an outstanding career in defending gender equality and I applaud her for that.

Oh, and it's such a surprise that a liberal would take a liberal interpretation of the constitution. It was written 250 years ago and certainly isn't perfect. Plus, did you expect a democratic judge to have extremely different views from the Democratic National Committee? That's not bending to their wills, that's committing to your beliefs.

(If you're wondering, my name is satire. I'm just a 13 year old progressive from NYC who's still salty about the election and knows nothing about politics)

Republic Of Minerva

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:It was written 250 years ago and certainly isn't perfect.

That's why there are two ways to change it.

The Supreme Court, funny enough, isn't actually involved in either of those at any point. The Court is bound to apply the Constitution to other things, not to use other things to decide what the Constitution says. Ginsburg and others like her have a bad habit of using their power to decide the laws of the land. They're in no position to do that. Hell, they can't even decide anything outside the scope of the particular case in front of them. And yet, people pretend that they can, and so they pretend that they can, and now we're left with nine guys in robes deciding the laws around here.

"Not perfect" is not an excuse. "Not perfect" is when you get the states together to change it. The Supreme Court needs to get the hell out of where it doesn't belong.

Pevvania, Narland, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

What the court does is apply the Constitution to the law, and that says as much about the Constitution as the law itself. It shows that the highest legal document in the country is compatible and supportive of this bill. The justices are using their power to decide the laws of the land because that's exactly what they do, in determining their constitutionality. The court isn't supposed to create laws, yes, but that's not what they are doing at all, and I dare you to prove that anything else is so.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:I really couldn't disagree more.

When did progressives start to be called regressive? At what point does trying to go forward be see as backward by those who disagree?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_left

Actually, one of your own came up with the term. It's most commonly applied to SJWs and Islam apologists, but broadly it can also be used to describe leftists that do not, in fact, seek societal progress. More and more, your party, your ideology and its adherents seek to take liberal society backwards. Anti-Uber Luddism, anti-choice education policies, anti-black social engineering (i.e. minimum wage and gun control) and accommodation for Islamism/Sharia are all regressive policies. What exactly is the Democratic Party's vision of progress? To them, progress means marching towards more government control and less individual freedom. This is not progress. This is gradual enslavement. So it's not a case of agreeing or disagreeing. Your party - with a few exceptions, perhaps Cory Booker and a couple of others - is regressive.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:RBG has had an outstanding career in defending gender equality and I applaud her for that.

Explain to me how she's defended gender equality? Even if she has, she's had a horrible track record on defending individual rights. In 2008 and 2009 she twice voted against a man who was convicted for owning a pistol in Washington DC. This woman has no regard for anyone's freedom.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:Oh, and it's such a surprise that a liberal would take a liberal interpretation of the constitution. It was written 250 years ago and certainly isn't perfect. Plus, did you expect a democratic judge to have extremely different views from the Democratic National Committee? That's not bending to their wills, that's committing to your beliefs.

As dear leader Miencraft just stated, it doesn't matter if it's not perfect, it was designed with a mechanism for future generations to amend it if they have a problem with it. The problem with Ginsburg and all of her activist buddies isn't that they hold a leftist interpretation of the Constitution. There have been plenty of Democratic-appointed nominees in the past who have respected the Constitution. Ginsburg and co. seek to rewrite the law to fit their own agenda.

And anyway, it's pretty much impossible to have anything but a classical liberal interpretation of the Constitution because it was written by classical liberals with classical liberal governance in mind. The left's treasonous degradation of the Commerce Clause, amongst other things, has nothing to do with interpretation and everything to do with judicial lawmaking. Ginsburg is a crony and an enemy of the Constitution, and anyone who views it as a 'living document' in this sense doesn't want constitutional government, and wants to destroy the republic. The US is supposed to be a country built on the rule of law, not the law of rulers!

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:(If you're wondering, my name is satire. I'm just a 13 year old progressive from NYC who's still salty about the election and knows nothing about politics)

Well you seem intelligent and you write well. It's just your beliefs that need to change. I recommend The Road to Serfdom by FA Hayek, Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell, Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman and The Ethics of Liberty by Murray Rothbard.

Miencraft, Condealism, Fairbankska

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:What the court does is apply the Constitution to the law, and that says as much about the Constitution as the law itself. It shows that the highest legal document in the country is compatible and supportive of this bill. The justices are using their power to decide the laws of the land because that's exactly what they do, in determining their constitutionality. The court isn't supposed to create laws, yes, but that's not what they are doing at all, and I dare you to prove that anything else is so.

It's exactly what they're doing. In DC v Heller, as I mentioned before, four regressive justices including RBG declared their opposition to the historical fact that the 2nd Amendment guarantees the individual right to own a firearm and to self-defense. They believed it was right to charge an elderly black man with a felony for wanting to buy a pistol to defend his home. Another egregious example of constitutional lawmaking was in the 1930s, when the corrupt and evil Franklin Roosevelt essentially scared the Supreme Court into rubber-stamping his New Deal government expansions. Everyone on the court knew that the NIRA, WPA, Social Security and all the rest were not authorised anywhere in the Constitution, because there was a very specific list of powers given to the federal government, and giving free money to people was not one of them. What a coincidence that they all magically started voting for his agenda after he threatened to pack the court with his cronies.

Miencraft, Condealism, Fairbankska

presidential order:

everyone must join our discord. it's greeeeeeeeeeat

Miencraft, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:presidential order:

everyone must join our discord. it's greeeeeeeeeeat

Damn right it is!

Pevvania wrote:Everyone on the court knew that the NIRA, WPA, Social Security and all the rest were not authorised anywhere in the Constitution, because there was a very specific list of powers given to the federal government, and giving free money to people was not one of them.

That's the difference between a liberal and conservative interpretation of the Constitution. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you said: I think that if it doesn't violate it, it's legal; you say that if it isn't greenlighted by it, it's illegal.

I won't disagree with you that FDR's court packing scandal was disgusting in all ways. Yet, you have to admit that his social policies were critical in shaping the US into its former prosperity and ending the Great Depression (even though the final end was from the beginning of WW2). Certainly this was better than Hoover and the conservative policy of rugged individualism and unregulated laissez-faire capitalism?

I can tell that I am out of my league in this debate, and I'll quit while I'm behind. Yet I remain unchanged in my belief that progressivism, and the Democratic party as soon as it gets with the program and shifts left, is the ideology for me.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:I think that if it doesn't violate it, it's legal; you say that if it isn't greenlighted by it, it's illegal.

There's no difference. The Constitution outlines explicitly what the federal government can do, and it also explicitly says in the tenth amendment that, if the Constitution doesn't explicitly grant the federal government power to do something, it is not allowed to do it, no exceptions.

The federal government doing something that isn't explicitly allowed in the Constitution is in itself a violation. At that point, it's not about interpretation, it's about just flat out ignoring what the Constitution says to push an agenda.

Pevvania, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

Republic Of Minerva wrote:presidential order:

everyone must join our discord. it's greeeeeeeeeeat

ORDER ME THIS IS OPPRESSION THIS IS COERCION THIS IS CENSORSHIP AM I BEING DETAINED

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:ORDER ME THIS IS OPPRESSION THIS IS COERCION THIS IS CENSORSHIP AM I BEING DETAINED

You sound like me on a daily basis.

Condealism

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:That's the difference between a liberal and conservative interpretation of the Constitution. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you said: I think that if it doesn't violate it, it's legal; you say that if it isn't greenlighted by it, it's illegal.

Well, put simply yes but conservative justices, by and large, tend not to simply vote in line with their preferred political outcomes. Originalist or textualist justices like Scalia interpret the Constitution based on their view of the Constitution and have made many rulings that they did not like and led to less than preferred outcomes. I'm not a fan of Justice Roberts and I don't consider him an originalist. But when he voted to uphold Obamacare, a program he strongly disagreed with, he did so because he thought it was constitutional and that's all that should matter. Granted, I think that this was wrong, since the Constitution doesn't give the federal government power to force people to buy health insurance. But the difference between Roberts and Ginsburg is that Ginsburg probably made up her mind on Obamacare before even researching it's legality.

What I'm saying is that she's an example of justices who cast their votes in order to engineer preferred political outcomes rather than upholding the Constitution, what they're supposed to do.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:I won't disagree with you that FDR's court packing scandal was disgusting in all ways. Yet, you have to admit that his social policies were critical in shaping the US into its former prosperity and ending the Great Depression (even though the final end was from the beginning of WW2). Certainly this was better than Hoover and the conservative policy of rugged individualism and unregulated laissez-faire capitalism?

Heh heh. I remember when I accepted the history my public school taught me. No, FDR's new deal did nothing to alleviate suffering during the Depression, and actually prolonged it. I've written entire essays about this subject but put simply his policies diverted wealth from the efficient private sector that would have led the nation into recovery earlier towards the inefficient government sector which gave many people jobs, but temporary jobs on boondoggle projects. Unemployment never dipped below 16% before WW2 and his misguided policies even caused another mini-depression in 1937. Stabilising the banking system was fine, but he should have kept the gold standard and slashed taxes and government spending to stimulate recovery.

Contrary to popular belief, Herbert Hoover was in fact a progressive of the Teddy Roosevelt mould and actively legislated to combat the Depression through expansion of government. FDR's own cabinet members even admitted most of the New Deal was built off of Hoover's ideas and initial programs.

Over regulation of the banking sector and an artificial build up of the money supply by the Fed, followed by a sharp contraction, caused the Stock Market Crash and hence the Great Depression. Indeed it was a lack of laissez-faire capitalism that caused it.

Depressions had occurred previously in American history, usually due to similar credit bubbles popping, but most often recovery came relatively quickly because the government allowed the markets to correct themselves. Is it any wonder that the longest and most severe depression in history was the one that saw the heaviest amount of government involvement in the recovery process?

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Condealism wrote:ORDER ME THIS IS OPPRESSION THIS IS COERCION THIS IS CENSORSHIP AM I BEING DETAINED

HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!

DID YOU SEE HIM REPRESSING ME? YOU SAW IT, DIDN'T YOU?

Rateria, Condealism

The Aradites wrote:I don't know how the right to birth (of the unborn) can be upheld consistently and logically. Most arguments I've seen end up with logical conclusion that even post birth, the child could have to be taken cared of without end.

You could transfer care to another, based on every NAP-based system I've seen. But yes, people who uphold a "consistent life ethic" and who reject abortion except in cases of rape/incest/the mother's life being in danger do reject Rothbard's argument that outright child abandonment is justifiable.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:It was written 250 years ago and certainly isn't perfect.

This is where conservatives and libertarians think the left gets into dangerous territory. If you can just interpret the Constitution however you'd like because "it isn't perfect," then what you have is a system of fiat rule by unelected judges, and essentially lawlessness besides their edicts because the basis for our law becomes meaningless. A judge's job is to interpret past precedent in applying it to modern circumstances, not to weave new and very strained interpretations out of whole cloth. There is a mechanism to change portions of the Constitution if we as a country decide they've become a hindrance in our different era, this is passing an amendment.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:Yet, you have to admit that his social policies were critical in shaping the US into its former prosperity and ending the Great Depression (even though the final end was from the beginning of WW2).

No I don't. Even most left-wing economists today would state that his policies had no real impact on the Depression. There's a good argument to be made that they also prolonged it, unlike the initially worse 1920 depression. This would be by programs like the WPA and the various farm aid programs encouraging investment in unproductive quick-to-fail areas, and also exacerbating food commodity shortages through the basically insane policy of slaughtering meat to help raise its price when few could afford it as-is.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:Certainly this was better than Hoover and the conservative policy of rugged individualism and unregulated laissez-faire capitalism?

A policy Herbert Hoover didn't uphold, you may be thinking of Coolidge. Hoover began FDR's cartelization of industry. As FDR later pointed out, most of his programs had an origin in Hoover's own policies. The egregious Smoot-Hawley tariff also was the furthest thing from "unregulated laissez-faire capitalism."

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:Yet I remain unchanged in my belief that progressivism, and the Democratic party as soon as it gets with the program and shifts left, is the ideology for me.

I think it's shifted too far left to begin with, and despite what the Bernie crowd claims, I think most Americans agree with that. The Democrats who fare best tend to be centrists like the aforementioned Booker.

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Miencraft wrote:HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!

DID YOU SEE HIM REPRESSING ME? YOU SAW IT, DIDN'T YOU?

COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

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Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:What the court does is apply the Constitution to the law, and that says as much about the Constitution as the law itself. It shows that the highest legal document in the country is compatible and supportive of this bill. The justices are using their power to decide the laws of the land because that's exactly what they do, in determining their constitutionality. The court isn't supposed to create laws, yes, but that's not what they are doing at all, and I dare you to prove that anything else is so.

*Cough* Marbury v. Madison was wrongly decided *Cough Cough*

Fairbankska wrote:*snip*

Many Economists believe that Hoover and FDR's policies extended the Depression turning what could have been a sever recessions into a massive decade long Great Depression.

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:That's the difference between a liberal and conservative interpretation of the Constitution.

You mean we view it as the law?

So out of curiosity, I really am wondering not trolling, what do you believe the Liberal view of the Constitution is?

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:

I can tell that I am out of my league in this debate, and I'll quit while I'm behind. Yet I remain unchanged in my belief that progressivism, and the Democratic party as soon as it gets with the program and shifts left, is the ideology for me.

It sort of is a 1v5 out here.

Here is my two-cents: any ideology that wants to control (by law) what people can and can't say, what opinions are 'hate speech', and see nothing wrong with riots that have happened at college campuses over the past year and a half. Ain't the ideology for me.

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The United States Of Patriots wrote:*Cough* Marbury v. Madison was wrongly decided *Cough Cough*

Many Economists believe that Hoover and FDR's policies extended the Depression turning what could have been a sever recessions into a massive decade long Great Depression.You mean we view it as the law?

So out of curiosity, I really am wondering not trolling, what do you believe the Liberal view of the Constitution is? It sort of is a 1v5 out here.

Here is my two-cents: any ideology that wants to control (by law) what people can and can't say, what opinions are 'hate speech', and see nothing wrong with riots that have happened at college campuses over the past year and a half. Ain't the ideology for me.

Good thing that's not my ideology 👍

Now, I've gotten quite tired of this debate. Call it quits?

Our Beloved Exalted Leader Trump wrote:Call it quits?

Aww, but that's no fun.

Pevvania, The United States Of Patriots

Trump considering reappointing Janet Yellen?

fu

Pevvania, Fairbankska

so what's up with the geopolitics in ns right now? It's been months since we achieved peace, so now what?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Trump considering reappointing Janet Yellen?

fu

I saw that. And he's scrapping the federal hiring freeze. Not good!

Condealism

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[Screenshot of Facebook page 'Liberty Hangout' having a message conversation with the Libertarian Party Facebook page]

"Doesn't taxation go against the nonaggression principle?"

LP: "Yes, but if we have to pay taxes, why should religion be exempt?"

The "Libertarian" Party is a mess!

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