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Jordsindia wrote:You lost my vote.

Animals have no right's but that is because they aren't sapient. Sapient beings that have intellect, reason, feelings and maintian relations like a human should have rights.

Pevvania wrote:Nah. I'll stick with Miencraft. He strikes me as a very Calvin Coolidge-like President. Which is a good thing in my book.

Wait. What kind of President do I strike you as?

The State Of Deseret wrote:Animals have no right's but that is because they aren't sapient. Sapient beings that have intellect, reason, feelings and maintian relations like a human should have rights.Wait. What kind of President do I strike you as?

Why should they protected under our laws? They should protect themselves under their own laws.

I refuse to have any 'sapient' pony living near us humans. Since we hunt them for food/sport, it wouldn't really work out.

Jordsindia wrote:Why should they protected under our laws? They should protect themselves under their own laws.

I refuse to have any 'sapient' pony living near us humans. Since we hunt them for food/sport, it wouldn't really work out.

1. Because they live in your nation should thus be protected.

2. Then deport Sapient Ponies with laws protecting them. Sapints are the only ones I care about. The other ponies can be hunted.

Deport them to nations with laws protecting them.

The State Of Deseret wrote:What kind of President do I strike you as?

Obama

The State Of Deseret wrote:1. Because they live in your nation should thus be protected.

2. Then deport Sapient Ponies with laws protecting them. Sapints are the only ones I care about. The other ponies can be hunted.

Our nation is human, founded upon principles of humans. Ponies will not get ANY recognition from us. They are food. We eat them.

Jordsindia wrote:Our nation is human, founded upon principles of humans. Ponies will not get ANY recognition from us. They are food. We eat them.

But they speak, act and feel like a human you still do it?

Can you deport the sapient ones to my nation...Deseret not D.W.S.M...as The D.W.S.M would kill them for being non-human.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Animals have no right's but that is because they aren't sapient. Sapient beings that have intellect, reason, feelings and maintian relations like a human should have rights.Wait. What kind of President do I strike you as?

In all honesty? Jimmy Hoover.

Pevvania wrote:In all honesty? Jimmy Hoover.

You Herbert?

The State Of Deseret wrote:But they speak, act and feel like a human you still do it?

Can you deport the sapient ones to my nation...Deseret not D.W.S.M...as The D.W.S.M would kill them for being non-human.

They are abominations. They speak OUR languages. They should speak their own languages. They like to steal human characteristics and try to make them their own.

No, the sapient ones are usually more tender and delicious than the others.

The State Of Deseret wrote:You Herbert?

I meant as in a mix between Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover. Jimmy's poor judgement and misguided idealism and Herbert Hoover's indecisiveness.

Jordsindia wrote:They are abominations. They speak OUR languages. They should speak their own languages. They like to steal human characteristics and try to make them their own.

No, the sapient ones are usually more tender and delicious than the others.

1. Isn't that a good thing? It allows Humans and them to cooperate better.

2. In real life if sapient ponies were treated like that I'd serve myself up so long as they all got rights.

As for this game it looks like I will have to use force. Is your nation on the Libertatem Map?

Pevvania wrote:I meant as in a mix between Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover. Jimmy's poor judgement and misguided idealism and Herbert Hoover's indecisiveness.

Misguided Idealism and Poor judgement?

I explained the insecisiveness I'm accused of is in fact not so as I have not changed my principles since may.

The State Of Deseret wrote:1. Isn't that a good thing? It allows Humans and them to cooperate better.

2. In real life if sapient ponies were treated like that I'd serve myself up so long as they all got rights.

As for this game it looks like I will have to use force. Is your nation on the Libertatem Map?

1. No, again they are trying to barge themselves into our culture without any remorse, or respect, for our culture and beliefs. Why would we have to work together, they are our dinner?

2. Should I serve you with some salt and pepper?

No, I am not on the map.

Jordsindia wrote:1. No, again they are trying to barge themselves into our culture without any remorse, or respect, for our culture and beliefs. Why would we have to work together, they are our dinner?

2. Should I serve you with some salt and pepper?

No, I am not on the map.

1. Do you know how well you guys could do if you cooperated with the sapient ones.

2. ...Sure....

3. Get some land. Then I'm invading. I'll save a species and gain some land.

The State Of Deseret wrote:1. Do you know how well you guys could do if you cooperated with the sapient ones.

2. ...Sure....

3. Get some land. Then I'm invading. I'll save a species and gain some land.

The sapient ones are too few too be of any help too us. We must save the last of them for High-priced pony steaks.

Okay, knowing that, I will get an extremely large and out-of-position piece of land on the map.

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1. What if...I purchased them from you?

2. Get the rest of The Middle East. Fits your name.

The State Of Deseret wrote:1. What if...I purchased them from you?

2. Get the rest of The Middle East. Fits your name.

The steaks?? Good to know you finally turned around and decided to taste the deliciousness. Trust me, it will make you WANT more.

Nah.

Jordsindia wrote:The steaks?? Good to know you finally turned around and decided to taste the deliciousness. Trust me, it will make you WANT more.

Nah.

I meant the Sapient Ponies...

but I mean... I'll try a steak.

The State Of Deseret wrote:I meant the Sapient Ponies...

but I mean... I'll try a steak.

HYPOCRITE! You fight for sapient pony equality and then turn around and want to eat them!!! WAIT UNTIL THEY HEAR THIS!!!!

Jordsindia wrote:HYPOCRITE! You fight for sapient pony equality and then turn around and want to eat them!!! WAIT UNTIL THEY HEAR THIS!!!!

Not a Sapient Pony steak, you said you also made steak from regular ponies. I want one of those steaks. I don't support making steaks out of the sapient ones unless the volunteer.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Misguided Idealism and Poor judgement?

I explained the insecisiveness I'm accused of is in fact not so as I have not changed my principles since may.

...since May. The last time I went through a serious political change was 2012, which was the same year I became interested in politics. There's no harm in changing your opinions, but you do it constantly to the point of triviality. This is especially problematic for views on regional policy. How do I know that if I vote for you as a candidate, I won't get somebody entirely different by the end of your term? And personally, I don't think you have the strength of judgement or foreign policy skills to be President.

Oh this election is for President....

I thought it was for board. Eh....Nevermind.

I don't change for triviality. I change based on how I think. If my opinions on something change due to proof it's wrong. I change.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Not a Sapient Pony steak, you said you also made steak from regular ponies. I want one of those steaks. I don't support making steaks out of the sapient ones unless the volunteer.

But since we were talking about the sapient ones, you'd only assume that was what I was offering, not?

Jordsindia wrote:But since we were talking about the sapient ones, you'd only assume that was what I was offering, not?

Naturally yes, I meant regular pony steaks seeing as Ive not had them. I should have specified.

Make sure all Sapient Ponies in your nation know. A nation supports them.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Naturally yes, I meant regular pony steaks seeing as Ive not had them. I should have specified.

Make sure all Sapient Ponies in your nation know. A nation supports them.

Come too our farms and tell them that.

Jordsindia wrote:Come too our farms and tell them that.

Can I?

The State Of Deseret wrote:Can I?

Better hurry, they are almost ready to be sent to the slaughterhouses.

Jordsindia wrote:Better hurry, they are almost ready to be sent to the slaughterhouses.

Give me 2 days.

I'll be there to speak with them all.

Thoughts on Ted Cruz?

Pevvania wrote:Thoughts on Ted Cruz?

I think he is good. NS seems to disagree but I ALWAYS disagree with them.

Too conservative for my tastes.

Ted Cruz is too much of a Socialist for me.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Ted Cruz is too much of a Socialist for me.

I am *this* close, young man.

Humpheria wrote:I am *this* close, young man.

I was joking Humph.

I also like Ben Carson, Rand Paul, and Allen West.

Jordsindia wrote:I think he is good. NS seems to disagree but I ALWAYS disagree with them.

NS is dominated by social democrats and eurocommies and should not be taken seriously.

I am currently boycotting NSG because of this lunacy. Maybe if we are lucky, the echo chamber will get so bored of ego stroking each other they'll go somewhere else.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:NS is dominated by social democrats and eurocommies and should not be taken seriously.

I am currently boycotting NSG because of this lunacy. Maybe if we are lucky, the echo chamber will get so bored of ego stroking each other they'll go somewhere else.

I notice that what keeps them going is each other. There are SO many of them they think they automatically win the debates because their opinions are popular on the forums.

Jordsindia wrote:I notice that what keeps them going is each other. There are SO many of them they think they automatically win the debates because their opinions are popular on the forums.

Yeah...

And they shut down news against them by popular opinion.

Jordsindia wrote:I notice that what keeps them going is each other. There are SO many of them they think they automatically win the debates because their opinions are popular on the forums.

If you want more like company (or at least different company), there tend to be more conservative, libertarian, and monarchist types in International Incidents, Factbooks and NI, and Forum 7. Otherwise yes.

Jordsindia wrote:I think he is good. NS seems to disagree but I ALWAYS disagree with them.

He's alright, I guess, but I don't trust anyone who worked under Bush. Sure, in public he opposes Obamacare and NSA surveillance... But I fear that he is a neocon.

Jordsindia wrote:I also like Ben Carson, Rand Paul, and Allen West.

I'm a big fan of Rand Paul. The others? Not so much. Ben Carson is just a guy that talks a good talk about being conservative. That's it. Don't know why Republicans are so excited by him. He supports gun control, too, which is never a good thing. Allen West is a slippery character that voted for the NDAA and is a big supporter of the Wars on Drugs and Terror. He's also not a very nice person.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:NS is dominated by social democrats and eurocommies and should not be taken seriously.

I am currently boycotting NSG because of this lunacy. Maybe if we are lucky, the echo chamber will get so bored of ego stroking each other they'll go somewhere else.

Yet when empirical evidence is brought to the table, they dissipate. I've effectively shut down many threads this way. To paraphrase an overrated comedian, "Reality has a well-known libertarian bias."

I just keep finding myself cornered and conceding. Meh. :/

I state my belief and hit and run.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I just keep finding myself cornered and conceding. Meh. :/

You never, ever, ever concede. Acknowledge a good point if you're pressed, but never concede, particularly on economic arguments. There's a wealth of sources out there that debunk every leftist claim ever made.

Pevvania wrote:You never, ever, ever concede. Acknowledge a good point if you're pressed, but never concede, particularly on economic arguments. There's a wealth of sources out there that debunk every leftist claim ever made.

Couldn't seem to scrape up anything more.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=22411351#p22411351

Mostly because I am tired...probably of NSG in general. If you can't beat em, join em.

I have the idea of to make a new nation, introduce myself as a social democrat, and then use exaggerated arguments through that viewpoint. See what happens. :p Although I don't want to be found out and possibly warned or banned for trolling though.

Minerva I've done that before.

Since everyone supports Hamas over there I made some Socialistic, ro-Islam, Black Nationalist account. I can bring him into the region right now.

The State Of Deseret wrote:Minerva I've done that before.

Since everyone supports Hamas over there I made some Socialistic, ro-Islam, Black Nationalist account. I can bring him into the region right now.

Let me guess...

Bring him in to confirm my thoughts.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Let me guess...

Bring him in to confirm my thoughts.

Guess while I bring him in.

African-AmericanÂ

Supporter of the New Black Panther Party

Pro: Black Liberation, Black Supremacy, Far-Leftism, Black Nationalism, Pan-Africanism, Pan-Arabism, Militarization, Palestine, Islamic State and Islam

Anti: Israel, Zionism, America, Imperialism, Ebola, Nazism, Europe

I haven't used him in a while. I WA thinking about putting him back on scene Friday.

TTA, have you read any Afrocentrist works?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrocentrism

It's screwy ethnocentric stuff. :p

Republic Of Minerva wrote:TTA, have you read any Afrocentrist works?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrocentrism

It's screwy ethnocentric stuff. :p

Dear God. I hate ethnocentric crap. Just admit Europe and East Asia had the largest affect up till The cold war.

Hello my Fellow Chaps.

I am Lord Oaksworth. I am a British American (As in I left Britain for America) and a Proud Tory, not in the since of the Conservative Party but in the since I wish for a Resurrection of the Strong Monarchical power of the Royal family in Britain.

America wise I wish for a Return to the British Empire and the foundation of a Multi-Party system.

Lord Oaksworth wrote:Hello my Fellow Chaps.

I am Lord Oaksworth. I am a British American (As in I left Britain for America) and a Proud Tory, not in the since of the Conservative Party but in the since I wish for a Resurrection of the Strong Monarchical power of the Royal family in Britain.

America wise I wish for a Return to the British Empire and the foundation of a Multi-Party system.

Like you already

Northern Prussia wrote:Like you already

Why thank you Northern Prussia. Another Country I wish that existed once more.

Lord Oaksworth wrote:Hello my Fellow Chaps.

I am Lord Oaksworth. I am a British American (As in I left Britain for America) and a Proud Tory, not in the since of the Conservative Party but in the since I wish for a Resurrection of the Strong Monarchical power of the Royal family in Britain.

America wise I wish for a Return to the British Empire and the foundation of a Multi-Party system.

Greetings Lord Oaksworth. I don't think we have any British natives here (most of them are in The Commonwealth Of Democratic Nations) but I encourage you to stay a bit.

Are you a Thatcherite? What is your opinion on communism? Merely curious.

(Probably not now that I think about it, although the monarchy during the 1800s was quite laissez faire.)

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Communism is an idiotic ideology promoting the disruption of proper government for the sake of people who do not understand how to rule themselves. They believe that it is possible for all to be equal. Equality is impossible and people must learn to accept that fact. Any leftist ideology is simply revolutionist for the sake of being revolutionist. They hold no thesible beliefs.

Thatcherite? The ideology is not mine. The majority of it is okay, the Anti-Communism and Anti-Trade Unions ecspecially. The social conservatism as brought in later by the ideology is also rather fair. However the Anti-Toryism and the economy which is just a bit too free. Not saying it's bad; I would just prefer a lot more Intervention by the Royals and Parliament. A more State Capitalist system Macro-Management wise. Laissez- Faire Micro-Management wise.

Lord Oaksworth wrote:Communism is an idiotic ideology promoting the disruption of proper government for the sake of people who do not understand how to rule themselves. They believe that it is possible for all to be equal. Equality is impossible and people must learn to accept that fact. Any leftist ideology is simply revolutionist for the sake of being revolutionist. They hold no thesible beliefs.

Thatcherite? The ideology is not mine. The majority of it is okay, the Anti-Communism and Anti-Trade Unions ecspecially. The social conservatism as brought in later by the ideology is also rather fair. However the Anti-Toryism and the economy which is just a bit too free. Not saying it's bad; I would just prefer a lot more Intervention by the Royals and Parliament. A more State Capitalist system Macro-Management wise. Laissez- Faire Micro-Management wise.

Ah, you should love it here then. We are all about opposing communism, particularly it's seediest variant Marxist-Leninism.

Mmm fair enough. You see, this region is primarily dominated by, ah, classical liberals and other assorted radicals, although we have a fair amount of ideological diversity still. What you describe sounds somewhat distributist, which is fine.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ah, you should love it here then. We are all about opposing communism, particularly it's seediest variant Marxist-Leninism.

Mmm fair enough. You see, this region is primarily dominated by, ah, classical liberals and other assorted radicals, although we have a fair amount of ideological diversity still. What you describe sounds somewhat distributist, which is fine.

Good. My personal opinion is that all varients of Socialism are bad and revolutionary to an extreme.

Distributist would be an accurate representation; However I don't use labels other than Tory/Monarchist.

Fair enough.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=eleutheria

%&*# the black riders keep raiding my regions. I can't even leave it open for people to come or else they come in and destroy everything.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Fair enough.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=eleutheria

%&*# the black riders keep raiding my regions. I can't even leave it open for people to come or else they come in and destroy everything.

Perhaps we can strike a deal with Vandoosa to keep them away...

Miencraft wrote:Perhaps we can strike a deal with Vandoosa to keep them away...

Doesn't work. Van even raided her own regions under TBR. "Striking a deal" is impossible, you either raid or not.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Doesn't work. Van even raided her own regions under TBR. "Striking a deal" is impossible, you either raid or not.

That was a joke, silly.

They're the Riders. They never stop. I know that.

Note to self: Use [/sarcasm] and [/joke] more often.

Is real wasabi too much to ask for? Dammit 'Murica.

I'll be using this nation to post here until my region stabilizes a bit.

Pevvania wrote:I'm a big fan of Rand Paul. The others? Not so much. Ben Carson is just a guy that talks a good talk about being conservative. That's it. Don't know why Republicans are so excited by him. He supports gun control, too, which is never a good thing. Allen West is a slippery character that voted for the NDAA and is a big supporter of the Wars on Drugs and Terror. He's also not a very nice person.

Granted. Ben Carson isn't really for gun control. He just stated that he might understand why an assault weapons ban in major cities might work. He doesn't advocate real gun control.

To be honest, I really don't know an awful lot about Allen West, I just recently stumbled upon him. He seems pretty decent on many levels.

Our dear president is the most avoided in libertatem :(

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Our dear president is the most avoided in libertatem :(

Well, I am a collection of islands just floating about in the middle of the Atlantic, so I'm not surprised.

Lord Oaksworth wrote:Good Morning.

Wassup, TTA?

Humpheria wrote:Wassup, TTA?

I don't know who that is.

Hello Lord Oaksworth.

When it comes to international politics do you follow a Marxist, Realist, Liberal or Constructivist view?

The Saar Land wrote:Hey

'Ello. Welcome to 'Tatem. Buffet table is this way.

Miencraft wrote:'Ello. Welcome to 'Tatem. Buffet table is this way.

Thank you

Really, really, really quiet today. Heading out to the theater tonight, hope there is actual activity when I get back.

Humpheria wrote:Really, really, really quiet today. Heading out to the theater tonight, hope there is actual activity when I get back.

We need to have more ideological discussion, imo.

I support another Holy Christian Empire.

Northern Prussia wrote:I support another Holy Christian Empire.

As do I.

Northern Prussia wrote:I support another Holy Christian Empire.

Sounds cool.

The Ilerminaty wrote:Why was I banned?

Because we don't like you, Albul. You are a known spy.

You were ejected, not banned.

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Humpheria wrote:Really, really, really quiet today. Heading out to the theater tonight, hope there is actual activity when I get back.

"We should really go to the theatre" ~Lincoln's wife

*dies* - Lincoln

"The secret is in the sauce." -John Wilkes Booth

"Christmas gift suggestions: To your enemy, forgiveness. To an opponent, tolerance." Joseph Stalin

Muh Roads wrote:"The secret is in the sauce." -John Wilkes Booth

"People need to stop misquoting me on the internet" ~ George Washington

"The internet is a great way to get on the net." -Bob Dole

Muh Roads wrote:"The secret is in the sauce." -John Wilkes Booth

Shyesh!!!

The Ilerminaty wrote:Why was I banned?

You weren't.

But now you are.

We know who you are, we know why you're here. You can't get anything from us, especially now, Abul. Begone!

Er, Albul, I suppose.

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