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Region: Libertatem
I don't want to have any unneeded contention between us, especially since we are probably on the same page on most issues, so I'll back out of this particular election.
Libertarians should not despair when thinking of the impossibility of achieving anarchy. Structures of governance have changed dramatically over the course of human existence, with feudal states, empires, and liberal nation-states all being widespread at some point over the past 1000 years alone. Human beings can, and will, politically evolve towards anarchy.
Hallo Island
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150415/1020921579.html
Republic of Minerva v2
Alderney And Liberty City
Looking at my old AG stuff, I happen along this.
Civil Suits
Trial by appointed official
- Defamation of Character: Defamation of public standing. Retraction/apology or banjection, unrestricted appeal.
- Civil Dispute: Heated argument or debate settlement. Agreement on mediation or mistrial.
- General Discontent: Displaying discontent for an action or nation. Absolutely nothing, this is just for people to whine and make a mockery of the justice system.
Do you ever forget you made a joke, see that joke again, and die laughing?
Conservative Idealism In Libertatem
Two things:
1. We have two candidates, when are we doing this election?
2. Can everyone read up on MEDAL (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=353421), I plan on introducing it if I am elected.
I don't see that anywhere. All I see is a hatred for sickles and hammers, of which can mean a multitude of things.
The United Libertarian American Republic
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would this be a more appropriate flag?
Happens to me all the time.
1. I'll start it up this afternoon. Who are our two candidates?
2. I'll take a look.
I thought that there was 4.
Alderney and Liberty
New United States
Humpy
and myself.
Unless hump dropped out.
Alderney And Liberty City
I think TNUS withdrew when he realized he was up against Humph. Not sure whether Sherm did the same.
Well Hump is sort of Intimidating.
Or maybe he kept the password of the RLP's secret Swiss bank account and just bribes his opponents.
That would make sense too. If Alderney and Liberty withdraws i will fly that flag of the PRR.
Sherm didn't withdraw, TNUS did.
You know too much.
HEY! I hate communism!
hi guys
hello
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Wait, so who's running? Humph, Amar, and Sherm?
We've almost sent a grand total of ten thousand recruitment telegrams via NS++ this year, and currently have two recruits present in the region.
I predict we will at least graze the 100-nation mark before the month is over, but we're going to need to either coordinate a massive recruitment effort or find a small region to merge with us if we're going to stay above it before summer.
Ja Herr President
Regarding the current repeal in the Security Council:
I'm not voting for it. It's poorly written, and the WAR Act does not mandate specific action on this form of SC vote.
BRB moving to Liberland
Alderney And Liberty City
How are you guys today ???
Sometimes I wish a military dictator could come to power in the US, raise taxes to 90%, nationalise most of the economy, raise the minimum wage to $25, ban guns and officially scrap the Constitution to show Americans just how bad statism is once and for all.
Hallo Island, United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Post self-deleted by The United Libertarian American Republic.
isn't it humps job to make your wishes come true? I guess hump will be joining the military....
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Or just send all the bourgeoisie anarchist kids back in a time machine to go work on a collective farm in a Leninist/Maoist country. They can come back in a few days, sort of like a trip to an ideological Dude Ranch.
Hallo Island
>bourgeoisie anarchist
>implying communists can be anarchists
>lol
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Yeah, but one day the Dictatorship of the Proletariat will organically whither away and everyone will spend all their days sitting around and having mellow jam sessions on their collective farms............or something............
United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen
Russia is statist, has a monthly minimum wage of $112, 13% income tax, legalized gun rights for some rifles and shotguns, and has a Constitution. I see your point, but it's heavily exaggerated.
Think so.
On an unrelated note, the new Star Wars trailer came out and... I'M NERDING OUT RIGHT ABOUT NOW
Yankee Freedom Fighters
It's amazing. Watch Matthew McConaughey's 'reaction': http://comicbook.com/2015/04/17/matthew-mcconaughey-reacts-to-the-second-star-wars-the-force-awa/
I saw it, it was priceless
Forum communists seem to be the biggest big government apologists, it's hard to see how they advocate for a stateless society.
Another reason why a $15 minimum wage for fast-food workers is stupid is because they're non-specialised labour. Unbiased America reports that they'd be paid higher than paramedics, photographers, radio announcers, substitute teachers, security guards, tailors, lab technicians and numerous other white-collar specialised jobs. https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11138581_355150311337637_4523403262268907166_n.jpg?oh=027f305529e575f2cd9852fdf63e57e9&oe=559F9F7D
The demands of the fast food workers are patently ridiculous. However, they have the right to peacefully demand higher wages as long as they do not resort to compulsion.
Miencraft, Royal Johnstone, Republic Of Minerva, Alderney And Liberty City
What are your views on the Trans-Pacific Partnership?
Haven't really researched it tbh. From what it seems like, another free trade redundancy organization that is filled with corruption.
This blockage of the political process is more unconstitutional than whatever the opposition can dream up. Please change the flag, Condealism.
Yankee Freedom Fighters, Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, Hallo Island, Yrellian Confederacy
Ya know if they actually flipped burgers they could make more money at a nicer restaurant. Every fast food joint I've worked at you just throw the patties on the grill and press a button and a "clam" comes down and cooks the top of the patty. It then raises back up after a certain time... BK just sent frozen patties through a broiler and they came out the other side ready for sandwiches. I mean really, I deserved minimum wage.
If you don't like the flag than move to somalia. ;P
Pevvania
Screw that, I'll move to Liberland!
I can hear the arguments change now...
"Don't like it, move to Liberland."
Alderney And Liberty City
Ooh we can be neighbors
Bit busy at the moment. I'll change the flag and get elections started as soon as I can.
Republic Of Minerva, Alderney And Liberty City
I saw that a few weeks ago. Unbiassed America is one of my favorite sources of Libertarian articles.
Allow me to rephrase that: Elections have been cancelled and the flag will not be changed. Apparently Liberosia isn't allowing anyone - not even me - access to his account.
This is a coup.
I know it probably went unnoticed but sorry for my long period of absence. I've have had to balance school and my way too extensive LSAT study plan and that meant I had to basically isolate myself from internet sites that lead to procrastination (one of them being Nationstates). However, I've decided to take a break from being a zombie so I'm happy to back to Libertatem.
Glad to hear from you. How've you been?
Nah, our founder has the right to do that. Just makes it a lot harder to get anything done around here, that's all.
Pretty good, but the reality that I'll soon be trying to get into a school that costs at least 50,000 a year to have someone explain law to me kind of dampens my mood. Im basically trying to be in as much debt as I possible can lol. How about you?
Recovering from a bout of despondency, and avoiding college so that I do not accrue such a debt.
I understand that there is a significant demand for elections to resume, and I am considering finding a different way to host them. Please be patient.
I regret to inform those who voted in favor of changing the flag - indeed, a veritable majority of trusted nations - that there is nothing I can do on their behalf. Our referendum has been denied.
Sorry to hear that and if you find a way to do so successfully, thats a good choice lol. Every time I even try to think about my financial situation I shudder with fear. It's too bad I put down I was a middle class white male on my college apps because financial aid would have been reeaaallly nice.
I'll tell you how it works out.
You could have the elections on the forums.
No one uses the forums...
Though that does give me an idea - I don't have to use this region's poll system to hold poll-like elections. We can just borrow the IRU's, set it so that it's accessible to people of every region, and I'll tally up the votes of all participating Libertatem citizens.
Hallo Island
Bah, I forgot, I'm already using it. Scratch that idea.
I suppose I could receive ballots via telegram like we did in the old days, but there's a reason we don't do that kind of thing anymore: Whomever is collecting the votes could simply fudge the numbers once it's over, and no one (except maybe the very inquisitive and observant) would be the wiser. Needless to say, having the potential for corruption in our voting process isn't my cup of tea - not that it stops some people...
Hallo Island
Capitalist scum!
Hallo Island, Yrellian Confederacy
Now available in 3 flavors, I'll sell you mine in 3 easy payments of $9.95
Pevvania, Hallo Island
Oh boy, you got us there
Hallo Island
And all of the hate on Liberosia exercising his right as the highest executive with veto power is because....?
The New United States, Alderney And Liberty City
FRAUD II
Amendments to the Future Regional Activity Unfair Discourse (FRAUD) Act
Section VII
Section I
Unless renounced or revoked, a registered citizen of Libertatem remains a registered citizen of Libertatem
Section II
Citizens may keep their citizenship even when outside of Libertatem or when their nation has been deleted
Section III
Citizens may transfer their citizenship to a puppet nation verified by the Department of Internal Affairs
Section VIII
Section I
The Board may 'fast-track' a nation's citizenship waiting time by a super-majority vote
Section II
The Board may repeal an action or order by the Department of Internal Affairs by a simple majority vote
Section IX
Section I
This section authorises the negotiation and ratification of shared citizenship treaties
Section II
The government may negotiate treaties with other regions to create common citizenship rules and allow a citizen of one region to be a citizen of both
Section III
Such a treaty, if agreed upon by both regional governments, must be ratified by two-thirds of voting House members and 4/5ths of the Board
Authored by Chairman [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation] on the 18th of April, 2015.
I would like FRAUD II to pass the House before it is introduced to the Board. Is everyone happy with this?
Post self-deleted by Miencraft.
Because obviously when you vote to do something it has to be carried out or else you're being oppressed.
The New United States
Contrary to popular belief, Bush II was not a gun nut, and has a mixed record on gun rights. He supported gun control in his 2000 presidential campaign, and said multiple times that he would re-authorise the assault weapons ban or sign a trigger lock law if they arrived at his desk. He did, however, sign a law absolving gun companies from responsibility when their guns are used to commit crimes, and pushed against the DC gun ban. He also appointed two Supreme Court Justices, Roberts and Alito, who ruled two gun bans unconstitutional in two critical Second Amendment cases, Heller and McDonald. So his impact on gun rights was probably positive overall, but his positions do not exactly smack of a defender of gun rights.
I think we are fine at playing the waiting game. [B]Shut the government down![/B] No elections, amendments, or anything, until Condealism is rightfully returned executive power over the WFE, of which the flag is apart of.
Hallo Island, Yrellian Confederacy
Duh. Ain't this a democracy?
#EndRLPtyranny #UsurpTheFounder #CultofHallo2015
Republic Of Minerva, Hallo Island
I'm on a strike from now on #justfrenchthings
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Can I get some feedback on the FRAUD amendments, please?
Looks good to me!
Hallo Island
I would add a thing to make sure that nations that CTE lose citizenship regardless, and it would also be nice if citizenship expires when you leave the region and don't attempt to make contact with the region (sure, you can keep your citizenship if you leave, but if you're not going to try to continue to be involved then there's no reason for you to keep your citizenship). Then, if you come back later, you can get it back sooner. Or something like that.
I dunno, that's just how I'd do it.
I could do with a bit of a vacation.
The bill specifically includes clauses protecting citizenship even when a nation CTE's or leaves the region. Cutting off citizenship just because somebody moves seems rather... nationalistic to me.
But I see your point. Perhaps a citizen can acquire 'permanent citizenship' after residing in our region for a certain amount of time? Maybe 90 days, for example? Or if that proves too convoluted, perhaps the amendment could give the DIA power to nullify citizenship if a nation comes here just to gain citizenship then leaves, or something of a similar nature?
I love it, except for Section IX, which seems kind of pointless to me. An individual's residency and citizenship in another region, it seems, has no bearing on their ability to acquire and maintain citizenship in Libertatem. Therefore, I find that any kind of "citizenship treaty" may be redundant and unnecessary.
I would, however, replace the current Section IX with another, placing targeted restrictions against those who are known to be citizens and/or supporters of regions antagonistic to our own.
Perhaps:
Section IX
Subsection I
A registered citizen of Libertatem may be subject to suspension of his or her citizenship, when that citizen is suspected of working for or supporting a foreign entity antagonistic towards Libertatem and towards the principles to which she adheres
Subsection II
A registered citizen of Libertatem shall be subject to revocation of his or her citizenship, when that citizen is found to be working for or supporting a foreign entity antagonistic towards Libertatem and towards the principles to which she adheres
Subsection III
A registered citizen of Libertatem shall be subject to revocation of his or her citizenship, if that citizen applies for or acquires official-residency or citizenship in a region antagonistic towards Libertatem and towards the principles to which she adheres
Subsection IV
Suspension or revocation of citizenship, under the conditions of Subsection I - III, shall be applied following executive order by the Founder or by the President, or following a super-majority vote in the Board or the House
Subsection V
Citizenship may, when suspended or revoked upon the bases set forth in Subsection I - IV, may be restored following a supermajority vote in the Board or in the House
Thoughts?
Love it! Although I don't think the last two subsections are necessary, since we already have rules and procedure on revoking citizenship, which is already done by the President/DIA and regulated by the Board.
A citizenship treaty was proposed by the President with the IRU. It would be an EU-style agreement that would mean free movement of people between regions.
First of all, I like Pev's version of Section IX better. After all, "antagonistic towards LIbertatem and towards the principles to which she adheres" is an incredibly vague phrase and could be interpreted as anything. If your proposal were to be incorporated into this legislation, would my citizenship be revoked because I have a nation in a leftist region - one, I might add, that opposes the War on Communism? Not to mention the whole "suspected" thing.
Second of all, I'm going on strike. We don't have any legislation mandating that public officials must do their jobs at all times, and I have been severely limited in my ability to perform mine over the past few months, so I'm just going to refrain - and I encourage all other government officials to do the same. If you need any President-like things done, ask our all-powerful founder.
Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Hallo Island
I get leaving, but CTEs should definitely be considered a revocation of citizenship, at least in my opinion. I'm fine with keeping it if you leave, but at least try to come into contact with us, y'know? Like, if someone leaves and they don't show any interest in communicating with us, then logically they shouldn't still be considered a citizen. That's how I see it, anyways.
I like the idea of earning permanent citizenship, though. 90 days is a nice number, doesn't seem like it would cause too much confusion.
I dunno, just my thoughts.
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And, just so I don't have to make a second post for it:
The Internal Affairs Department is going to be officially shut down for the duration of this strike, once some things get straightened out and I clean up the Citizenship Register.
I'm also going to clarify that that pretty much just means that people won't be able to get citizenship or become deputies (and, logically, the deputies won't be doing IA stuff either), and I'm not keeping track of the criminal records that won't be happening because nobody's going to be going to court while the government is shut down. Stuff like the Map is still going to be updated because that's not a part of the IA department. It's technically not even official. I just used my position as President way back when to slap "Official" onto it.
So, anyone that has any IA things that they need sorted out, you've got a few hours.
I just realized I completely forgot to keep going on about the CTE thing.
Perhaps, when a nation CTEs, they lose their citizenship, but if they come back they can just get it back right away if they want it?
I mean, technically the same thing as just letting them keep it, but I don't see the point in letting someone keep the title of citizen while they can't actually do anything.
And, of course, even if people still get to be considered citizens while they CTE, I'd still be taking them off the map for it because I don't have to listen to silly rules with a thing that isn't tied to the government in any way besides being run by a person who happens to be a part of the government.
hyaaaaaa
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Hallo Island
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Workers! Take up your banner and fight!
So what's the deal with YouTube? I don't see any tube, and there's certainly more people using it than just you!
I would like the bring up the flag vote thing again. I haven't posted in a while, but was informed via telegram of the issue.
Hallo Island
Hm, that would be beneficial. However, rules must be put into place regarding the "movement of people between regions [within the citizenship treaty]," for security purposes. Otherwise, our normal security procedures would be undermined by the fact that anyone within those signatory regions, regardless of their other affiliations, would be granted easier access to Libertatemite citizenship. A simple vetting process is in order, I believe. I have put together what I think is an appropriate modification of your Section IX, as well as a modified version of my Section IX added as Section X.
Section IX
Subsection I
This section authorises the negotiation and ratification of shared citizenship treaties
Subsection II
The government may negotiate treaties with other regions to create common citizenship rules and allow a citizen of one region to be a citizen of both
Subsection III
Such a treaty, if agreed upon by both regional governments, must be ratified by two-thirds of voting House members and 4/5ths of the Board
Subsection IV
If a citizen of a signatory region is known to be a threat Libertatem, they shall be denied access to citizenship in Libertatem
Subsection V
If a citizen of a signatory region is suspected of being a threat to Libertatem, further investigations shall be conducted by the Department of Internal Affairs, and appropriate action shall be taken based upon the results of such an investigation
Section X
Subsection I
A registered citizen of Libertatem may be subject to suspension of his or her citizenship, when that citizen is suspected of working for or providing material support to a foreign entity that poses a legitimate threat to Libertatem and her interests
Subsection II
A registered citizen of Libertatem shall be subject to revocation of his or her citizenship, when that citizen is found to be working for or providing material support to a foreign entity that poses a legitimate threat to Libertatem and her interests
Subsection III
A registered citizen of Libertatem shall be subject to revocation of his or her citizenship, if that citizen applies for or acquires citizenship in a region that poses a legitimate threat to Libertatem and her interests
No, your citizenship would not be revoked. That was meant more to target individuals that have loyalties or official, private ties to regions that may pose a credible threat to Libertatem and her interests abroad. It's been reworded, hopefully making the entire thing a little less vague.
Nice, TNUS. I'll add your mods to the amendment.
Regardless of our position on the flag issue, I think it's very silly and unpresidential for a sitting president to "strike" like this. This "crisis" - which is an utterly trivial matter that goes down in my estimations day by day - can be solved through dialogue and discussion on the Founder's interpretation. Sitting in the corner and hoping someone will notice is not the way to go about this.
While the executive branch strikes, the Board will be hard at work ironing out FRAUD II and discussing constitutional reform. I will likely not be running for re-election this month, so anyone who has an issue they'd like to bring up should contact me or a Board member ASAP.
Also, I'm beginning to think that maybe Board elections should occur every two months instead of one. The endless electioneering is getting tiring.
The New United States
hi guys
Hello.
Yrellian Confederacy
Oh hell on a pickle, what'd I miss here?
Alderney And Liberty City
Not much. How are you?
Today I learned that I can't properly type comments on Youtube anymore, because the spacebar keeps thinking I want to pause and unpause the video.
Damn it, Google.
I made another scatter graph. This one documents gun freedom to gun murders by state. 'Gun freedom' is measured by a score given to each state on gun freedom by Guns and Ammo's 2013 ranking of gun laws, and 'gun murders' on the Y-axis are measured the traditional way, per 100,000 people. Note: 49 states and the District of Columbia are included. There was insufficient data on Florida.
As you can see, the correlation is murky, but it indicates a mild downward trend.
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Alright, the strike's over, elections have begun, and the flag has been changed. Back to work!
Republic Of Minerva, Yrellian Confederacy, Alderney And Liberty City
Well, it's better, at least.
*begins chanting*
Libertatem noctis
ordo septum libertatem noctum
sanctus res publica terra regnum
noli me calcare
That moment when you realize everyone in Libertatem is part of the government.
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Written by Refuge Isle.