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Give me a sliced of olive oil soaked liberally topped Chicago or American-Napolitan style deep dish pizza pie over a slice of flattened disk with sparse toppings any day. :) We have a friend from Manhattan here who hates that all of his friends prefer deep dish. We have some good NY style pizza places but we only go there because its his favorite style. On that note, when it comes to pizza I wouldn't serve the cheapest of the grocery store frozen pizza to my worst enemy.

Narland wrote:Give me a sliced of olive oil soaked liberally topped Chicago or American-Napolitan style deep dish pizza pie over a slice of flattened disk with sparse toppings any day. :) We have a friend from Manhattan here who hates that all of his friends prefer deep dish. We have some good NY style pizza places but we only go there because its his favorite style. On that note, when it comes to pizza I wouldn't serve the cheapest of the grocery store frozen pizza to my worst enemy.

Oh man we have a chicago style pizza place around my university and man it good. Meat lovers deep dish is heaven on a plate

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You know the propensity for Europeans to include cheese in their dishes is because Europeans are far less likely to be lactose intolerant than other people.

Auxorii, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:You know the propensity for Europeans to include cheese in their dishes is because Europeans are far less likely to be lactose intolerant than other people.

Actually learned about this in my anthropology class recently, the theory behind it is that they were more heavily pastoral, and would be drinking milk their whole lives. Crazy stuff to think about!

Anyways, how has everyone been? I just had my appendix taken out. Fun stuff

The New United States, Rateria, Skaveria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Actually learned about this in my anthropology class recently, the theory behind it is that they were more heavily pastoral, and would be drinking milk their whole lives. Crazy stuff to think about!

Anyways, how has everyone been? I just had my appendix taken out. Fun stuff

haha this nigga lost his appendix

Pevvania, The New United States, Auxorii, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

The States Of Balloon wrote:haha this nigga lost his appendix

Chad appendix haver vs the virgin appendix non haver

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:There’s a whole wing of political theory dedicated to Capitalism is wrong, it’s not really an argument to say they’re “objectively wrong”. Plus, if it’s wrong, will the market not fix it?

It's hard for the market to fix a one-party totalitarian regime that'll kill you if you resist it

Jadentopian Order wrote:Anyways, how has everyone been? I just had my appendix taken out. Fun stuff

wow what a loser, come on guys let's socially ostracize Jaden for not having an appendix

The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Real talk though pray for my boy Jaden

The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Pevvania wrote:Real talk though pray for my boy Jaden

Do the appendix-less even deserve our prayers? I'd rather pray for people that have the decency to have an appendix.

Pevvania, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Pevvania wrote:It's hard for the market to fix a one-party totalitarian regime that'll kill you if you resist it

Like I said, this is why I believe in arming the people

Pevvania wrote:

wow what a loser, come on guys let's socially ostracize Jaden for not having an appendix

Leftist loser Jaden can’t even keep himself healthy, had to get his appendix removed! Studies show only alpha male winners have their appendix folks.

Pevvania wrote:Real talk though pray for my boy Jaden

Don’t worry, we caught it super early so I’ll be all good to go in just a few days. Just no strenuous activity for a while, my 35 SMOKING HOT GIRLFRIENDS will be so disappointed😓😓

The New United States wrote:Do the appendix-less even deserve our prayers? I'd rather pray for people that have the decency to have an appendix.

To the people of libertatem: I am so, so sorry to have betrayed you like this. Real men have appendixes. Now, I am reduced to a soy-boy beta male.

Pevvania, The New United States, Auxorii, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Like I said, this is why I believe in arming the people

Leftist loser Jaden can’t even keep himself healthy, had to get his appendix removed! Studies show only alpha male winners have their appendix folks.Don’t worry, we caught it super early so I’ll be all good to go in just a few days. Just no strenuous activity for a while, my 35 SMOKING HOT GIRLFRIENDS will be so disappointed😓😓To the people of libertatem: I am so, so sorry to have betrayed you like this. Real men have appendixes. Now, I am reduced to a soy-boy beta male.

at least now your hairstyle will be fitting

The States Of Balloon wrote:at least now your hairstyle will be fitting

Kaz, I'm already a femboy...

What rights do animals have under a libertarian society?

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:What rights do animals have under a libertarian society?

The right to barbecue sauce.

The New United States, Miri Islands

Its now been 100 years since the armistice of WWI

Narland, The New United States, Rateria

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Narland wrote:The right to barbecue sauce.

Well done, you got me with that one.

You may laugh at me for not having an appendix, but I grew my wisdom teeth in without needing to have them removed.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:What rights do animals have under a libertarian society?

Rights Because of Sapience

To have rights one must have the capacity to be transcendentally cognizance of those rights -- sapience. This is beyond mere ability to communicate wants, needs and desires, but having an understanding that one has understanding as do others of like understanding to understand and use our will/mind/soul to transcend (govern) nature. So far, mankind/human beings/homo sapiens the only kind other than God, angels and devils have this capacity. If you do not believe in God and his other sapient creatures throughout the universe, it is of course a moot point.) We compact with other humans in ways totally other (because of rights) that animals cannot.

Natural Welfare in Accord Class (Fullness/Level) of Life

Animals do not have rights but humans do have the obligation to afford animals general welfare with benign indifference in accordance to (and in proportion to) the fullness of life that they naturally bear. For example we pretty much ignore the harmless bacteria in our water and food supply that we eat and drink as the fullness of life they show is minimal. Many of us will stop and pull a stuck vertebrate animal out of a ditch. Entire communities will pull resources together to save beached whales and dolphins. Biotic prions seem to have the least fullness of life (and get no kindness from us) and other than us, primates, and cetacea deserve the most.

Pet and Domesticated Animals

Once an animal is taken outside physical nature the human responsible is 100% responsible for its welfare. A pet ant colony requires less responsibility than a tarantula , than a pet golfish, than a pet puppy etc. Domesticated sheep/turkeys have had the instinct to survive bred out of them and (some breeds) are so stupid as to need perpetual care -- it is incumbent upon the farmer to take ownership.

Vermin, Vectors and Diseases

We conversely treat certain classes of plants and animals as nuisances relative to the harm caused us in degree to their proximity, and pervasiveness. We do not (as they have not the capacity) to make treaty with disease and vermin. We have the capacity and right (to protect other people and ourselves) to deal with this by the best means possible including there eradication/elimination.

TLDR; People have rights, animals deserve welfare, not the other way around.

---***START anecdote alert***---

I had a she-bear neighbor at my old homestead -- she stayed on her side of the creek, and I on mine, thanks to a pet canine that was well trained to defended the property line (which was the creek on that side). I enjoyed her on her side and we coexisted because of a good boundary that she and her cubs (about 2 ever 3rd year) understood. Had she been a nuisance, we would have sedated her and flown her a few mountain ranges into the wilderness. The moles in the garden, and fleas on the dogs were not afforded the same courtesy.

---***END anecdote alert***---

The New United States, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:What rights do animals have under a libertarian society?

It depends on the organism, doesn't it? Like Narland said, we don't really put in too much thought into killing bacteria. It's pretty well established that single-celled organisms and other microorganisms don't really think or have any sort of consciousness as we know it. Animals that we see in the wild, like deer, bears, etc are far more complex and can exhibit at least some semblance of basic feelings. I'm not one of those people that's against hunting and whatnot, but I do think that those sorts of animals have the basic rights to be treated with dignity and care. Killing an animal while hunting shouldn't be unnecessarily brutal or bring any extra suffering to the animal. Abuse, mistreatment, etc, all should be illegal against animals. Animal experimentation is a really tough issue for me because on one hand, they clearly can't consent, but the experiments can be extremely necessary.

The New United States, Rateria

Anyone been following Nick J. Fuentes and the groyper war against TPUSA and Conservative, Inc.?

If you haven't been following, pro-Trump, campus-conservative Christians have been showing up to TPUSA events and raiding the Q&A to ask Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw, etc. really inconvenient questions about their purported support for the America First agenda.

They humiliated Charlie Kirk and Rob Smith pretty bad a couple weeks ago at OSU, then Ben Shapiro gave an entire speech about how ebil they are the weekend after, and yesterday they dominated the crowd at UCLA and booed Charlie Kirk off-stage for cancelling his Q&A with Don Jr.

Dan Crenshaw also embarrassed himself a couple of times at different events, and the infighting between America First conservatives and TPUSA/Conservative, Inc. has been acknowledged by at least a few GOP congressmen in just the last day. Apparently, entire TPUSA chapters have started disbanding in response to how the organization is handling the conflict. Seems to be getting bigger and bigger.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/11/donald-trump-jr-book-talk-ucla-derailed-by-far-right-protesters/%3foutputType=amp

Any thoughts on this?

Rateria, Kongeriget Island

The New United States wrote:Anyone been following Nick J. Fuentes and the groyper war against TPUSA and Conservative, Inc.?

If you haven't been following, pro-Trump, campus-conservative Christians have been showing up to TPUSA events and raiding the Q&A to ask Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw, etc. really inconvenient questions about their purported support for the America First agenda.

They humiliated Charlie Kirk and Rob Smith pretty bad a couple weeks ago at OSU, then Ben Shapiro gave an entire speech about how ebil they are the weekend after, and yesterday they dominated the crowd at UCLA and booed Charlie Kirk off-stage for cancelling his Q&A with Don Jr.

Dan Crenshaw also embarrassed himself a couple of times at different events, and the infighting between America First conservatives and TPUSA/Conservative, Inc. has been acknowledged by at least a few GOP congressmen in just the last day. Apparently, entire TPUSA chapters have started disbanding in response to how the organization is handling the conflict. Seems to be getting bigger and bigger.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/11/donald-trump-jr-book-talk-ucla-derailed-by-far-right-protesters/%3foutputType=amp

Any thoughts on this?

I think you guys can predict how I feel already LOL

I think TPUSA and the likes are just the dumbest things. They're just propaganda wings that spout moronic and surface level arguments like "le Venezuela xDD". There's not much to say about idiots like Shapiro and Kirk besides that they're complete morons. Fuentes has said some pretty terrible stuff so I'm not a fan of his at all, but I will say, it is hilarious to see a bunch of far right quacks own TPUSA. I don't even know what a "groyper" is. Infighting, left or right, is always hilarious just from an outside point of view.

The New United States, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:I think you guys can predict how I feel already LOL

I think TPUSA and the likes are just the dumbest things. They're just propaganda wings that spout moronic and surface level arguments like "le Venezuela xDD". There's not much to say about idiots like Shapiro and Kirk besides that they're complete morons. Fuentes has said some pretty terrible stuff so I'm not a fan of his at all, but I will say, it is hilarious to see a bunch of far right quacks own TPUSA. I don't even know what a "groyper" is. Infighting, left or right, is always hilarious just from an outside point of view.

Shapiro is far from moronic. I don't know if you've seen him outside of a debate or lecture context, but he's typically incredibly thoughtful on most topics. When he doesn't know something or an inconsistency is pointed out that he can't deal with, he falls back on his Jewish dogma, but we all do that to a certain degree. "I can't answer this myself, I'll consult the NAP on the topic and just go with it's interpretation until I can form my own opinion."

I think people get Shapiro wrong when they assume he's simply a fast-talking grifter, who's only out to crush college students in debates about asinine social issues. Just because somebody is incredibly dominant in debates doesn't mean they don't address issues thoughfully.

Kirk on the other hand, irritates me constantly. He INSISTS on doing debates even though he's a piss-poor debater and loses to anyone who isn't the stereotypical college SJW. He comes off as incredibly arrogant as well. Michael Knowles has the same problem. Just because you trigger the libs doesn't mean you're a net good for the cause. They have everything bad about Milo Yianopolous, but none of the good.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Its now been 100 years since the armistice of WWI

Thanks for bringing it up. The world has forgotten the lessons of WW1 just as it is forgetting the lessons of WW2 (especially post-911). The harshness with which the Central Power were treated totally overshadows the danger of Prussian Dictatorial Socialism posed, and what even more of a failure world mercantilism would have been (Keynesian economics and Central banks under ruthless command economies as the only means productivity).

It is too bad we didn't learn enough about WW1 to depose Dewey's Progressive Modern Education model (really a redressed Prussian model of Socialist Education Theory) of Public Schools that has lead to the OBE and Common Core disasters that are creating a dim-witted proletariat to overthrow the hard won Liberties and Freedoms enjoyed by the world.

The New United States wrote:Anyone been following Nick J. Fuentes and the groyper war against TPUSA and Conservative, Inc.?

If you haven't been following, pro-Trump, campus-conservative Christians have been showing up to TPUSA events and raiding the Q&A to ask Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw, etc. really inconvenient questions about their purported support for the America First agenda.

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Groypers are idiots. Their anti-semitism is enough to give me an idea about their intelligence. I have been noticing this more and more among younger rightwingers and it concerns me. I am worried that this coming generation will be the most anti-Semitic generation currently alive in america. They will do more damage to the conservative movement in the medium to long term than RINOs.

Narland, The New United States, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Groypers are idiots. Their anti-semitism is enough to give me an idea about their intelligence. I have been noticing this more and more among younger rightwingers and it concerns me. I am worried that this coming generation will be the most anti-Semitic generation currently alive in america. They will do more damage to the conservative movement in the medium to long term than RINOs.

It's because it's being normalized through far right memes. People on the far right are making literal Nazism and fascism cool and edgy through memes that make them seem sane.

The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

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The United States Of Patriots wrote:Groypers are idiots. Their anti-semitism is enough to give me an idea about their intelligence. I have been noticing this more and more among younger rightwingers and it concerns me. I am worried that this coming generation will be the most anti-Semitic generation currently alive in america. They will do more damage to the conservative movement in the medium to long term than RINOs.

Some groupers are having fun being agents provocateur. They show signs of being indolent and immature. Most will grow out of it or become Statists, the remainder will remain in their parents basements for the rest of their lives.

Some groupers show all the signs of being agents provocateur. The best way to deal with their deviation (for the hateful ones) is to point out their sources of funding, and their leftist ideological heritage (wherin it is engaged), especially in their modes and methods. When they are ready, they can civilly join the body politic .

There is no place on the American right (or in America period) for bigotry and malice (and since rooting out Continental Enlightenment radicalism because of the Second Great Awakening, never has been) as exemplified by our nation's fight to end slavery, recognize, defeat Jim Crow laws and extend Civil Rights equally to all Citizens. It is and has always been (since the founding of American Republicanism of which much later came the the GOP -- which has lost its way) the purvue and prerogative of the Democrats (big D) to which they accuse the Right of being the very thing they are and use as a dialectic to sway hearts and minds. This is distinct from heckling, satirizing and what today is called trolling and a good/honest lampooning and satire. (Trolling used to be a form of begging akin to singing for one's supper)

As usual each generation has to weed out the detractors (from the coalition of republicans (little l), small business whigs, federalists that make up the American Right from their midst. The cure of which is more Objectivism (in the Randian sense which Ron Paul who was all too quiet but had an excellent handle on politically), and a bit more Realism (in the Edwardsian sense -- which ironically Shapiro is the loudest who has a handle on Realism).

RIP NAT TURNER 188 YEARS AGO TODAY

why do the people I keep calling cattle hate me

The States Of Balloon wrote:why do the people I keep calling cattle hate me

Because they're in a bad MOOd

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Shapiro is far from moronic. I don't know if you've seen him outside of a debate or lecture context, but he's typically incredibly thoughtful on most topics. When he doesn't know something or an inconsistency is pointed out that he can't deal with, he falls back on his Jewish dogma, but we all do that to a certain degree. "I can't answer this myself, I'll consult the NAP on the topic and just go with it's interpretation until I can form my own opinion."

I think people get Shapiro wrong when they assume he's simply a fast-talking grifter, who's only out to crush college students in debates about asinine social issues. Just because somebody is incredibly dominant in debates doesn't mean they don't address issues thoughfully.

Kirk on the other hand, irritates me constantly. He INSISTS on doing debates even though he's a piss-poor debater and loses to anyone who isn't the stereotypical college SJW. He comes off as incredibly arrogant as well. Michael Knowles has the same problem. Just because you trigger the libs doesn't mean you're a net good for the cause. They have everything bad about Milo Yianopolous, but none of the good.

Yes I think it's incredibly hard to argue a Harvard graduate with both a J.D. and a talent for playing the violin is a moron - the same reason why Barack Obama, for example, is clearly an intelligent man. I don't agree with everything Shapiro believes but I'm definitely a fan.

I met Charlie Kirk once, who did strike me as being a little arrogant actually, though I didn't really know who he was at the time. It also annoys me how he shills for the Trumps at every opportunity and will literally never say anything bad about them or admit they can ever do wrong. Perhaps you could argue any movement needs a low-rent quasi-intellectual of this type to bring in the uninitiated, but considering how much I see him on the internet I can't help but be irritated by all the platitudes.

Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria

Sorry what is a groyper?

The New United States, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:It's not at all a surprise that anti-semitic, anti-semitism based, and especially attacks directly on Jews, are increasingly common. Up from historic lows in the late part of the last century.

I have really never understood anti-semitism. Hating Christians, hating Muslims - at least those two are based on the actions of historical polities/civilizations. But what inquisitions or terror campaigns did historical Jewish states/societies inflict on anyone?

The New United States, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I have really never understood anti-semitism. Hating Christians, hating Muslims - at least those two are based on the actions of historical polities/civilizations. But what inquisitions or terror campaigns did historical Jewish states/societies inflict on anyone?

Most anti-semitism has its roots in holocaust denial.

The New United States, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I have really never understood anti-semitism. Hating Christians, hating Muslims - at least those two are based on the actions of historical polities/civilizations. But what inquisitions or terror campaigns did historical Jewish states/societies inflict on anyone?

Honestly, most of it is “Da Joos control the media, banks, and international organizations and are using them to destroy Western civilization! Also, they somehow faked the Holocaust.”

You can trust me on this. I’ve run into more than enough of them.

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:I met Charlie Kirk once, who did strike me as being a little arrogant actually, though I didn't really know who he was at the time. It also annoys me how he shills for the Trumps at every opportunity and will literally never say anything bad about them or admit they can ever do wrong. Perhaps you could argue any movement needs a low-rent quasi-intellectual of this type to bring in the uninitiated, but considering how much I see him on the internet I can't help but be irritated by all the platitudes.

No wonder Turning Point USA is a meme.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1305529-turning-point-usa

The New United States

Rateria wrote:“Da Joos control the media, banks, and international organizations and are using them to destroy Western civilization! Also, they somehow faked the Holocaust.”

me

Dear Libertatem,

If you like freedom so much, why not move to SOMALIA?

Jaden Kirk, Founder of Turning Point Libertatem

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Dear Libertatem,

If you like freedom so much, why not move to SOMALIA?

Jaden Kirk, Founder of Turning Point Libertatem

This is something they'd probably unironically say tbh

The New United States, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:This is something they'd probably unironically say tbh

Yeah cause their only actual agenda is liberal owning

The New United States, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:This is something they'd probably unironically say tbh

Jadentopian Order wrote:Yeah cause their only actual agenda is liberal owning

Wow, can someone say "triggered"? Can't stand the marketplace of ideas, libtards? XDDDDD

#factsdontcareaboutyourfeelings

#owned

#logic

Rateria, Skaveria, Miri Islands

The States Of Balloon wrote:Most anti-semitism has its roots in holocaust denial.

Yeah, the worst thing I've seen out of the assault on TPUSA was some blatant holocaust denial at the Dan Crenshaw ASU event.

While I have enjoyed watching Charlie Kirk get wrecked at his own events and agree with the sentiment against people like him, there are clearly some dirty elements among those that have been attacking him.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

The New United States wrote:Wow, can someone say "triggered"? Can't stand the marketplace of ideas, libtards? XDDDDD

#factsdontcareaboutyourfeelings

#owned

#logic

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The New United States, Rateria

Anti-Semitism is such a non-issue in today's world we shouldn't even waste our time on it

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Shut up.

Wow I just got destroyed with facts and logic there didn't I?

The New United States

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Shut up.

To be fair, it kinda isn't much of an issue these days, I mean there's the occasional shooting, but if the Jews would just shoot back the problem would be solved. Arm the Jews.

We should also be honest about WHO poses the biggest threat to Jews. It ain't white supremacists, it's Muslims.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Auxorii, Kongeriget Island

Pevvania wrote:Sorry what is a groyper?

Groypers are a very loose group of memers and trollmeisters who hang out on the Chans and other Social Media (especially the comment sections). Generally, they try to reach Paleoconservative ends using Progressivist (Marxian) means (which is an oxymoronic impossibility). They the Progressivists own Hegelian dialectics against them to cause strife and division to attain their goals. They believe in the myth of the white race, black race etc., solely the domain of Marxists, Progressives, and Leftists, and antithetical to the Paleoconservative assertions that we are all of one Race of manifold cultures that make up various civilizations. Most are accused of being tied to Nick Fuentes (and Far Right Broadcasting) which is debatable. Most believe that there is a white genocide afoot.

Some are young and inexperienced, and others are there to promote hate and bigotry, hoping that the American Right will embrace it or can be broadbrushed by it. It is a perfect environment for agents provocateur to camp out and cause further strife and unrest. Just like always, we (Americanist Paleocons -- Right Libertarians) have to be diligent to train, discipline, and disciple those who desire to have a historical understanding of Conservatism through the virtues of prudence, justice, temperance, and courage and the Biblical fruit of faith, hope, love, joy, and peace in self-governance to avert tyranny and for Liberty to thrive.

The New United States, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I have really never understood anti-semitism. Hating Christians, hating Muslims - at least those two are based on the actions of historical polities/civilizations. But what inquisitions or terror campaigns did historical Jewish states/societies inflict on anyone?

Orthodox Jews have a very tight-night community, based on a theonomic social structure that keeps its Jewishness throughout the generations. Their religious imperative to instill morality and education to each generation opens doors to the courts of kings and academicians regardless of level of liberty and technology to becoming skilled political advisers in every age. Their exactitude with just weight and measures in fairness without regard for wealth or poverty makes them trustworthy merchants, bankers and entrepreneurs. It allows their adherents to thrive in urban environments.

Historically within 3 to 5 generations any large group of Jews (who continue to follow their religion) and are allowed to participate in most societies, many of their children will be found in and amongst the professionals and academicians of the upper classes. They encourage others to attain to the most fitting positions possible and give of their time, effort and money to help the next generation achieve. After a few centuries the descendants of those Jews can be found with a vested interest in everything, and nominal Jews everywhere are in positions of wealth and power. This has made them the target by avarice, envy and calumny wherever they have prospered (and their otherness by way of their Jewishness is noticed).

Miencraft, The New United States, Auxorii, Rateria

Kongeriget Island wrote:Anti-Semitism is such a non-issue in today's world we shouldn't even waste our time on it

At what point do we ‘waste time’ on anti-semitism? Do we waste our time when a bomb threat is called to a synagogue?

Narland, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I don't think you can waste your time when it comes to opposing hatred.

True, but we should recognize when some issues are way more pressing and dangerous.

"Ok guys, there's a guy about to blow up a Synagogue and a guy who used anti-semetic language on 4chan, half of you go deal with the bomb guy and half of you stay and monitor this incel. All hatred is equal."

Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:True, but we should recognize when some issues are way more pressing and dangerous.

"Ok guys, there's a guy about to blow up a Synagogue and a guy who used anti-semetic language on 4chan, half of you go deal with the bomb guy and half of you stay and monitor this incel. All hatred is equal."

You can do both without contributing equal resources

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Oops

Highway Eighty-Eight

Kongeriget Island wrote:Anti-Semitism is such a non-issue in today's world we shouldn't even waste our time on it

Ok, asshole.

Skaveria wrote:True, but we should recognize when some issues are way more pressing and dangerous.

"Ok guys, there's a guy about to blow up a Synagogue and a guy who used anti-semetic language on 4chan, half of you go deal with the bomb guy and half of you stay and monitor this incel. All hatred is equal."

"Everyone work on the boombthreat. All hatred is equal, but some hatred is more equal than others..."

Venomringo wrote:Ok, asshole.

Correction: anti-Semite!

Skaveria wrote:To be fair, it kinda isn't much of an issue these days, I mean there's the occasional shooting, but if the Jews would just shoot back the problem would be solved. Arm the Jews.

We should also be honest about WHO poses the biggest threat to Jews. It ain't white supremacists, it's Muslims.

Nah, anti-semitism is still a pretty big issue. Since becoming more visibly Jewish, I have experienced *a lot* of hate at my university. I’ve been called a k*ke, h*eb, Christ-killer, and told that I’m going to h*ll. Then there are the microaggressions like “nice disk on your head,” which may not seem like a big deal to those outside the community but these annoyances compound with the direct aggressions and it’s impossible not get enraged. Organizations on my campus like Students Against Israeli Arpatheid go way beyond just “criticizing” Israel; they demonize, delegitimize, and hold it to double standards, which are all tenets of anti-Semitism. A lot of anti-Semitism today doesn’t solely exist just as stereotypes, insults, and general dishonor, but as Anti-Zionism as people try to literally erase our identity.

Don’t go around speaking for a community and their experiences. Hate has existed and will always continue to exist if we don’t do something about it.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eighty-Eight

Venomringo wrote:Ok, asshole.

Well that's totally unnecessary...

Venomringo wrote:Nah, anti-semitism is still a pretty big issue. Since becoming more visibly Jewish, I have experienced *a lot* of hate at my university. I’ve been called a k*ke, h*eb, Christ-killer, and told that I’m going to h*ll. Then there are the microaggressions like “nice disk on your head,” which may not seem like a big deal to those outside the community but these annoyances compound with the direct aggressions and it’s impossible not get enraged. Organizations on my campus like Students Against Israeli Arpatheid go way beyond just “criticizing” Israel; they demonize, delegitimize, and hold it to double standards, which are all tenets of anti-Semitism. A lot of anti-Semitism today doesn’t solely exist just as stereotypes, insults, and general dishonor, but as Anti-Zionism as people try to literally erase our identity.

Don’t go around speaking for a community and their experiences. Hate has existed and will always continue to exist if we don’t do something about it.

I'm not speaking for anybody except myself. I shouldn't have to preface my every opinion with: in my own humble opinion as a white man, while recognizing I benefit from societal privilege and that I can't know what it's like to be *insert minority group*

You can talk about football without being a football player, you can talk about Jews without being Jewish.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

Venomringo wrote:Nah, anti-semitism is still a pretty big issue. Since becoming more visibly Jewish, I have experienced *a lot* of hate at my university. I’ve been called a k*ke, h*eb, Christ-killer, and told that I’m going to h*ll. Then there are the microaggressions like “nice disk on your head,” which may not seem like a big deal to those outside the community but these annoyances compound with the direct aggressions and it’s impossible not get enraged. Organizations on my campus like Students Against Israeli Arpatheid go way beyond just “criticizing” Israel; they demonize, delegitimize, and hold it to double standards, which are all tenets of anti-Semitism. A lot of anti-Semitism today doesn’t solely exist just as stereotypes, insults, and general dishonor, but as Anti-Zionism as people try to literally erase our identity.

Don’t go around speaking for a community and their experiences. Hate has existed and will always continue to exist if we don’t do something about it.

I've noticed disturbing amount of genuine anti-Semitism from the left yet nobody calls it out.

Miencraft, Narland, Skaveria

Skaveria wrote:I'm not speaking for anybody except myself. I shouldn't have to preface my every opinion with: in my own humble opinion as a white man, while recognizing I benefit from societal privilege and that I can't know what it's like to be *insert minority group*

You can talk about football without being a football player, you can talk about Jews without being Jewish.

Exactly, you’re literally just a white dude who has had the privilege of never being marginalized in your life. You will never be able to understand the depth and breadth of hate that exists in this country and the world as long as you keep maintaining the structure that perpetuates it. Sitting here and debating whether or not anti-Semitism exists does not find truth in the situation, it diminishes its severity! Sure, you can talk about football without being a football player, but you can’t claim to know the practice that goes into each game. There are things that are just not accessible to you as a white dude that leaves your opinion pretty much empty

Jadentopian Order, Highway Eighty-Eight

Kongeriget Island wrote:Well that's totally unnecessary...

I can guarantee you’ve said more than one anti-semetic slur in your lifetime and that’s a generous amount for you

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Miri Islands wrote:I've noticed disturbing amount of genuine anti-Semitism from the left yet nobody calls it out.

Anti-semitism is not a partisan issue. I call it out on every side

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Venomringo wrote:Exactly, you’re literally just a white dude who has had the privilege of never being marginalized in your life. You will never be able to understand the depth and breadth of hate that exists in this country and the world as long as you keep maintaining the structure that perpetuates it. Sitting here and debating whether or not anti-Semitism exists does not find truth in the situation, it diminishes its severity! Sure, you can talk about football without being a football player, but you can’t claim to know the practice that goes into each game. There are things that are just not accessible to you as a white dude that leaves your opinion pretty much empty

I never said anti-semitism doesn't exist. It's incredibly strange to me that you can lie about what I said, when the original post is literally on the same page. scroll up, tis not hard

On another note, direct experience makes for weak evidence. It's literally anecdotal; you can't base opinions on experience. Unlike some bourgeois, twead-wearing, middle class socialists, I've lived around minorities my entire life. Most of my bullies weren't white, I've been called white boy and other such derogatories. All that being said, my experiences don't dictate my beliefs and I hold nothing against people who happen to look like the people who messed with me.

It also leaves nowhere for the argument to go. If you say a thing, then I argue the thing, then you respond with: "You're white, so you can't know and your opinion is empty." then I can't really say anything else to you. No matter what logic I present you with, you'll just default back to: "You white tho"

Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands

Venomringo wrote:Anti-semitism is not a partisan issue. I call it out on every side

Yea but people advocating for Israels destruction because of their perceived oppression of the Palestinians is different to a bunch of edgy teens going (((Them))) on the internet

Narland

Skaveria wrote:I never said anti-semitism doesn't exist. It's incredibly strange to me that you can lie about what I said, when the original post is literally on the same page. scroll up, tis not hard

On another note, direct experience makes for weak evidence. It's literally anecdotal; you can't base opinions on experience. Unlike some bourgeois, twead-wearing, middle class socialists, I've lived around minorities my entire life. Most of my bullies weren't white, I've been called white boy and other such derogatories. All that being said, my experiences don't dictate my beliefs and I hold nothing against people who happen to look like the people who messed with me.

It also leaves nowhere for the argument to go. If you say a thing, then I argue the thing, then you respond with: "You're white, so you can't know and your opinion is empty." then I can't really say anything else to you. No matter what logic I present you with, you'll just default back to: "You white tho"

I wasn’t aware that white people have a history of genocide, bigotry, and discrimination besides, y’know, imposing those structures. I’m sorry you got bullied but merely being around people different from you, and claiming you cannot possibly be racist, is equivalent to saying that because you had a black friend, you’re not racist. My experience with anti-semitism is not unique to just me; I’m a witness to it to other members of my community as well. Anecdotal evidence and my experience is something that f*cking numbers and statistics can’t make you feel and think about.

Miri Islands wrote:Yea but people advocating for Israels destruction because of their perceived oppression of the Palestinians is different to a bunch of edgy teens going (((Them))) on the internet

It’s certainly different, but still disgusting! I really don’t see your point

Venomringo wrote:I wasn’t aware that white people have a history of genocide, bigotry, and discrimination besides, y’know, imposing those structures. I’m sorry you got bullied but merely being around people different from you, and claiming you cannot possibly be racist, is equivalent to saying that because you had a black friend, you’re not racist. My experience with anti-semitism is not unique to just me; I’m a witness to it to other members of my community as well. Anecdotal evidence and my experience is something that f*cking numbers and statistics can’t make you feel and think about.

Which white people? The same people who claim whiteness is a social construct will turn around and use it as a racial category.

And I didn't claim that I wasn't racist because I got bullied by minorities. I said that I didn't use that experience to justify racism. That's a completely different claim. So far you've misrepresented what I've said 2/2 times. I'm wondering if you're gonna go for 3/3 now.

I'd also like to point out that multiple anecdotes don't equal statistics.

As for something I half-way agree about though, just to keep this from turning into a slug match. You're right when you say that having a black friend doesn't necessarily make a person not racist. Where I take issue is that people seem oblivious as to why a person would think that. The logic is simple, but consistent.

"Racists hate people who aren't their race, I have a friend who isn't my race, you can't be friends with people you hate, therefore, I cannot be racist." Again, that's WRONG, but it's an understandable conclusion.

Also, at some point, it kinda can be used as evidence... Multiple minority friends, multiple minority girlfriends, making me a dirty dirty race mixer now, not to mention a mixed race sister I'd literally die for. At some point that all just stacks up until it's just obvious that the person isn't racist. If they are than that's all a preposterously elaborate deep cover...

Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Kongeriget Island

I mean yeah you can talk about a marginalized group even if you’re not in it but is it really fair to say “x isn’t a big deal” if you haven’t ever been in that position?

Rateria, Venomringo, Highway Eighty-Eight

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Jadentopian Order wrote:I mean yeah you can talk about a marginalized group even if you’re not in it but is it really fair to say “x isn’t a big deal” if you haven’t ever been in that position?

Objectively speaking some things just aren't a big deal. Like being asked where you come from or being cat called

Narland, The New United States, Kongeriget Island

Miri Islands wrote:Objectively speaking some things just aren't a big deal. Like being asked where you come from or being cat called

You’re right. Objectively, the slaughter of Jews in their own synagogue is just like being asked where you’re from.

Venomringo wrote:You’re right. Objectively, the slaughter of Jews in their own synagogue is just like being asked where you’re from.

What the hell you hyperbolic d-bag. You made mount Everest out of an ant hill. Of course murder is bad AND I NEVER SAID IT WAS GOOD!!! What I was saying is there are some things we can look at as the outgroup and say they're not a big deal and murder is not one of those things. Kys

Narland, The New United States, Venomringo, Kongeriget Island

Miri Islands wrote:What the hell you hyperbolic d-bag. You made mount Everest out of an ant hill. Of course murder is bad AND I NEVER SAID IT WAS GOOD!!! What I was saying is there are some things we can look at as the outgroup and say they're not a big deal and murder is not one of those things. Kys

I think he was just trollin ya man, btw venom is our resident communist, if that explains anything

Narland, The New United States

Skaveria wrote:I think he was just trollin ya man, btw venom is our resident communist, if that explains anything

https://i.imgur.com/7L6oAKs.png

Miencraft, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:I think he was just trollin ya man, btw venom is our resident communist, if that explains anything

Wouldn’t say I’m much of a communist but aight

Miri Islands wrote:What the hell you hyperbolic d-bag. You made mount Everest out of an ant hill. Of course murder is bad AND I NEVER SAID IT WAS GOOD!!! What I was saying is there are some things we can look at as the outgroup and say they're not a big deal and murder is not one of those things. Kys

The timing of your comment in context of the thread of conversation did not help with meaning of your message

Rateria

Venomringo wrote:Wouldn’t say I’m much of a communist but aight

If your not Ancap you're a communist.

Thats my impression of Libertarian Party members, how'd I do.

Rateria, Venomringo

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Venomringo wrote:Wouldn’t say I’m much of a communist but aight

The timing of your comment in context of the thread of conversation did not help with meaning of your message

I thought you were for some reason. I think you had said you didn't believe in private property like a year ago, and I know that several ideologies don't, but it's potayto potahto to me

The New United States

Venomringo wrote:Exactly, you’re literally just a white dude who has had the privilege of never being marginalized in your life. You will never be able to understand the depth and breadth of hate that exists in this country and the world as long as you keep maintaining the structure that perpetuates it. Sitting here and debating whether or not anti-Semitism exists does not find truth in the situation, it diminishes its severity! Sure, you can talk about football without being a football player, but you can’t claim to know the practice that goes into each game. There are things that are just not accessible to you as a white dude that leaves your opinion pretty much empty

This form of prejudicial bigotry is the very thing Socialism exists to engender. The attitude that "I refuse to accept that X can understand/relate to me therefore I will continue in my prejudicial/bigotry against X because I am have been told I am a victim thus somehow morally superior which makes my contribution to hatred more important than learning that I am no more or less than anyone else as human beings than our perceived differences." One group is pitted against another and both end up losers to the dialecticians who formulated the power-play to exploit both ends against the middle so they (the power-brokers perpetuating the lie) come out on top.

We see how well that went with the the black-shirts of Italy who accepted the politics of victim-hood were told they were robbed by capitalists. The brown shirts of Germany swallowed the Socialist lie were told they were defrauded by Jewish industrialists. the hatred of the Weather Underground (and Leftist hate groups) in the 1960s who were told they were under-classed because of the "Establishment" of which they are now participating influentially in perpetuating their hate-mongering. The victim of the politics of victim-hood cannot see that they are the bigot they accuse everyone other than themselves of being. The accusation they make may or may not be true but they have cut themselves off from any ability to make a sane determination.

Miencraft, The New United States, Skaveria, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Venomringo wrote:

The timing of your comment in context of the thread of conversation did not help with meaning of your message

You intentionally missed the point in both of my posts even in context the posts are benign

Skaveria wrote:I thought you were for some reason. I think you had said you didn't believe in private property like a year ago, and I know that several ideologies don't, but it's potayto potahto to me

I mean I’m not excluding the possibility of me saying that but I’d like to think that I’ve moved past my edgy phase :p

Rateria

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You know who else is an antisemite? You guessed it, Frank Stalllone!

Jadentopian Order wrote:I mean yeah you can talk about a marginalized group even if you’re not in it but is it really fair to say “x isn’t a big deal” if you haven’t ever been in that position?

True, but at the same time when you're in a marginalized group you may be more sensitive to perceived slurs and attacks which may not be so.

I'm just stating that as a rule though, I think there's definitely a huge and mounting anti-semitism problem in the world, particularly in Europe.

Rateria

Venomringo wrote:Exactly, you’re literally just a white dude who has had the privilege of never being marginalized in your life. You will never be able to understand the depth and breadth of hate that exists in this country and the world as long as you keep maintaining the structure that perpetuates it. Sitting here and debating whether or not anti-Semitism exists does not find truth in the situation, it diminishes its severity! Sure, you can talk about football without being a football player, but you can’t claim to know the practice that goes into each game. There are things that are just not accessible to you as a white dude that leaves your opinion pretty much empty

you just posted cringe bro

Kongeriget Island

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I guess there are not any other Norm Macdonald fans here

Suzi Island wrote:I guess there are not any other Norm Macdonald fans here

I've seen a few clips and want to get into him because my friends won't stop talking about him

Suzi Island

Pevvania wrote:you just posted cringe bro

(((ok)))

Auxorii, Rateria, Kongeriget Island

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Pevvania wrote:True, but at the same time when you're in a marginalized group you may be more sensitive to perceived slurs and attacks which may not be so.

I'm just stating that as a rule though, I think there's definitely a huge and mounting anti-semitism problem in the world, particularly in Europe.

I think rightfully so (the slurs/attacks thing, NOT the anti-semitism). It's not really my place to tell a black person, "Oh you really shouldn't take that much offence to x y or z". I personally don't really take offense to stuff like being called names or whatever, I've never really had to be in a place where LGBT+ discrimination was a major deal, but I can recognize other groups have been in places where they face legitimate discrimination and hatred. I think downplaying hate just hurts more than it helps. The thing about antisemitism is very true. It's being made very casual through alt-right memes and such. If you make something seem okay, people won't see it as hatred.

Rateria, Venomringo

Libertatem? More like Libtardatem.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Kongeriget Island

Auxorii wrote:Libertatem? More like Libtardatem.

Dear libtards,

What happens after we die?

#epicpwnage

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