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Narland wrote:Biden Administration will unfortunately go down as the worst Presidency in US history.

It's hard to believe that anyone could be worse than Buchanan or Carter but here we are

Narland, Kumquat Cove, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:It's hard to believe that anyone could be worse than Buchanan or Carter but here we are

To be as nice as possible:

I dislike that Biden is an empty shell being exploited by his wife and others. If he were a fully cognizant individual he probably would have been at least as corrupt and evil as LBJ (if not more so) but he and the press would have been able to hide the corruption better. The gross incompetence of his handlers not even the mainstream media can ameliorate.

Carter had enough sense not to ignore the clear game plan of a nuclear power for gobbling up another state, let the nuclear power advance, then afterward try to back that power into a corner and then dare it not to use nukes. He didn't have much sense in whom he appointed around him. I think he really believed the progressive lies. and pivoted to a more Christian understanding after his presidency.

Buchanan was the wrong man for the wrong job in the wrong place at the wrong time in history. He was pro-slavery. Had he been born 70 years later or 70 years earlier he would probably be considered just one of the Democrat pack who wouldn't have been asked to run for president. Had he stayed in diplomatic service he might have even been considered one of our better ambassadors.

I think because he was in overseas during the formation of the US abolition crisis that he never gain a reasonable grasp of the gravity and complexity of the situation. He treated abolition like hyperbole and empty threats not realizing it was a driving force behind the American spirit. At best his misunderstanding paralyzed him to inaction which is bad enough. It is conceivable that might have been passive deliberately. That would make not only make him one of the worst presidents, but also one of the most evil men in history.

Evil men beget evil societies (deprivation and denial of life, liberty, and property). They have no place in polity.

Biden has brought back to us the worst of the 60s and 70s. Ideas have consequences. Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. Ideas of 20th Century big government illiberal "Liberalism" that brought about the horrors of the social unrest of the Cultural Revolution, national malaise and economic destruction didn't work back then. Why do Leftists think that it will work this time around?

Narland wrote:Biden has brought back to us the worst of the 60s and 70s. Ideas have consequences. Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. Ideas of 20th Century big government illiberal "Liberalism" that brought about the horrors of the social unrest of the Cultural Revolution, national malaise and economic destruction didn't work back then. Why do Leftists think that it will work this time around?

It works for their plan to destabilize the United States enough to implement their truly radical communist agenda

Narland

According to NS I'm 20 days shy of 2,000 days in this region

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:It works for their plan to destabilize the United States enough to implement their truly radical communist agenda

I forget sometimes that evil is that evil.

Narland wrote:I forget sometimes that evil is that evil.

I pray that our leaders, even the most radical, will turn to Christ and repent of their wicked ways. If not for me but for their enternal souls

Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands

Tulsi Gabbard's "Dear John" speech to the Democratic Party is worth listening to. I hope she does well as an Independent. It would be nice if she eventually gives up her big government ideas.

Narland wrote:Tulsi Gabbard's "Dear John" speech to the Democratic Party is worth listening to. I hope she does well as an Independent. It would be nice if she eventually gives up her big government ideas.

Even if I don't agree with her most of the time it's nice to see some independent thinkers remain on the left

Suzi Island wrote:Even if I don't agree with her most of the time it's nice to see some independent thinkers remain on the left

Yep. Ms. Gabbard is thoughtful, personable, capable (can shoulder responsibility, knows how to delegate authority), and can handle a weapon. She a human being who sees other's as fellow human beings -- exactly what the Democratic Party of the US is sorely in need of in the early 21st Century. It seems that she understands the basic concepts of liberty and constitution, but sadly, is still for big government, and high taxes.

Hopefully after leaving the Democrat Party she can leave the big government mentality.

Suzi Island

Can I get specific laws and instances where the State usurped the role of the churches, friendly societies, and voluntary organizations in providing social assistance and charity?

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Can I get specific laws and instances where the State usurped the role of the churches, friendly societies, and voluntary organizations in providing social assistance and charity?

Forcing the Little Sisters of the Poor to pay for irth control

The question is about 50 years beyond the ability of the average person to quickly locate common sense bibliographical references from that perspective in that line of questioning in media (books, magazines etc.). Media answering questions framed that way would have been considered right-wing conspiracy theories and eventually removed from shelves controlled by the ALA, Academia, and media in real time (1960s, 70s, and 80s for LBJ's Great Society and the 1930s, 40s, and 50s for FDR's Raw Deal). By the 70s it was very hard outside of special interest groups like Young Americans For Freedom, and John Birch Society (and finding the right JBS Chapter) to locate specifically accurate material outside of personal libraries (which get scattered to the wind when the person dies), even though society was much more Christian back then.

I would recommend contacting a research librarian from a Liberty-loving intellectual university trying to keep Americanism alive (and such not hostile to Biblical Christianity) such as Hillsdale College, or a Conservative Evangelical Seminary such as Calvin College, or perhaps you can find somebody at New Saint Andrews College. I had some luck in the 00s with Mercator group within George Mason University. In the 90s FEE (Foundation For Economic Education) was a good source for tracking down specific failed legislation from a classical Liberty perspective. LoC and NA are basically worthless I will keep my eyes open and get back to you when I find some good material.

There are some really good candidates running for senate and governor in some of these races. But remember the even more important races are often the school board races. Elect liberty minded, common sense candidates who will uphold common sense

Narland

NATIONSTATES CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION CENSUS

The Union Of Christian Nations is again hosting Nation States' Christian Denomination Census to gain an insight into the denominational identification and diversity of Christian expression across NationStates.

Question: Which Christian denomination/tradition do you most readily associate/identify with?

For those of you who are Christian, we invite you to participate in the Census here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=192188

Note: For the 'Other Christian' category, please let us know your denomination/faith tradition in the Union Of Christian Nations RMB or telegram Ecclestia so we can accurately capture your denominational identification.

Ecclestia wrote:NATIONSTATES CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION CENSUS

The Union Of Christian Nations is again hosting Nation States' Christian Denomination Census to gain an insight into the denominational identification and diversity of Christian expression across NationStates.

Question: Which Christian denomination/tradition do you most readily associate/identify with?

For those of you who are Christian, we invite you to participate in the Census here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=192188

Note: For the 'Other Christian' category, please let us know your denomination/faith tradition in the Union Of Christian Nations RMB or telegram Ecclestia so we can accurately capture your denominational identification.

I don’t see Auxorii’s denomination of Christian Identity on that list. Boo

Ecclestia, Auxorii

Ecclestia wrote:NATIONSTATES CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION CENSUS

The Union Of Christian Nations is again hosting Nation States' Christian Denomination Census to gain an insight into the denominational identification and diversity of Christian expression across NationStates.

Question: Which Christian denomination/tradition do you most readily associate/identify with?

For those of you who are Christian, we invite you to participate in the Census here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=192188

Note: For the 'Other Christian' category, please let us know your denomination/faith tradition in the Union Of Christian Nations RMB or telegram Ecclestia so we can accurately capture your denominational identification.

Surprised to see majority not catholic

Fetterman got skunked in that debate

Suzi Island wrote:Fetterman got skunked in that debate

Like with Biden, I am saddened that there are not people around Fetterman that care about him enough to tell him the truth that he is not capable of holding office. But ideologues blinded by their own hubris tend to see the truth as a commodity to dispensed sparingly if at all. Why shine the light of truth, when maintaining a web of lies grants power over others? Deception is oppressive. Abiding in truth liberates, and where there is liberty there is no need for coercion or deception.

Narland wrote:Like with Biden, I am saddened that there are not people around Fetterman that care about him enough to tell him the truth that he is not capable of holding office. But ideologues blinded by their own hubris tend to see the truth as a commodity to dispensed sparingly if at all. Why shine the light of truth, when maintaining a web of lies grants power over others? Deception is oppressive. Abiding in truth liberates, and where there is liberty there is no need for coercion or deception.

If these people don't care about their own families they sure as heck don't care about the country

Anarchlandia

Zaaaahmbee, zaaaahhhmbee, zaaahmbee-ee-ee-ee

Narland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Zaaaahmbee, zaaaahhhmbee, zaaahmbee-ee-ee-ee

That reminds me, happy 505th Reformation Day on this Allhallowtide, the spark that began the Modern Era.

Suzi Island, The United States Of Patriots

Would be great if this game could have something other than the exact same event every six months.

Narland, Suzi Island, The United States Of Patriots

I expect everybody to properly celebrate the Hallowtide.

Mid-term Elections

Remember to check out your local county/municipality election clerk's website for a pdf of what the ballot at your precinct looks like so there are no surprises while at the ballot booth. Make sure you know for whom you are voting.

Make sure you know what bonds, levies, (library, emergency services, schools, etc.) referenda, initiatives, constitutional amendments, local candidates that are not usually on the radar (school board, animal control director, coroner, sheriff, etc.)

If you are able, please vote.

Do not forget, employers are required by law to allow you to go vote.

Miencraft wrote:Would be great if this game could have something other than the exact same event every six months.

Turns out there's actually a setting to hide most zombie-related stuff.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Miencraft wrote:Turns out there's actually a setting to hide most zombie-related stuff.

That’s funny

Mimimimimimimimi...

Miencraft wrote:Turns out there's actually a setting to hide most zombie-related stuff.

Yeah it's called just ignoring it

Suzi Island wrote:Yeah it's called just ignoring it

No, there's literally a checkbox in the settings menu that just stops all the zombie stuff from being displayed.

Suzi Island, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Miencraft wrote:No, there's literally a checkbox in the settings menu that just stops all the zombie stuff from being displayed.

Well I'm opted out for next year

It looks like the GOP is going to take both the House and Senate if nothing spectacular happens in the meantime. Never underestimate the power of GOP leadership to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, nor preemptively cave to Leftist determinism. At the ground level there are more actual conservatives (those conserving classical liberalism) running this election than in the last 50 years.

Narland wrote:It looks like the GOP is going to take both the House and Senate if nothing spectacular happens in the meantime. Never underestimate the power of GOP leadership to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, nor preemptively cave to Leftist determinism. At the ground level there are more actual conservatives (those conserving classical liberalism) running this election than in the last 50 years.

This feels like the biggest midterm in my lifetime (26 years) The country's future really may hinge on it

Miencraft, Narland

Suzi Island wrote:This feels like the biggest midterm in my lifetime (26 years) The country's future really may hinge on it

I think so. Over 100 years of Progressivist machinations to destroy Liberty and turn us into a Marxist hellhole are nearly complete. GOP leadership has usually caved at every major event unless outliers like Goldwater, Reagan, Paul, and Trump stepped in as a stopgap. The despots are so close to enacting an irrevocable Socialist tyranny they can taste it. And the thought of losing political control is making them desperate and irrational. They have gotten so brash that they no longer pretend to be law abiding Americans who just to want the same thing for everybody by doing things a bit differently.

It is a shame. Abraham Lincoln gave great leniency to the Democrat Party despite their racist, bigoted, and prejudicial ways. +150 years and they have been on the wrong side of history on nearly every major issue. When they do come around to the right decision, it has usually been for the wrong reasons. Just like when they fought to the death to keep slavery, they still want to use chicanery to spread their racism, bigotry and intolerance. This time to our children in the public schools.

I hope this time around the GOP is ready to be serious about returning to a limited constitutional government conceived in Liberty but I am not holding my breath.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Narland wrote:I think so. Over 100 years of Progressivist machinations to destroy Liberty and turn us into a Marxist hellhole are nearly complete. GOP leadership has usually caved at every major event unless outliers like Goldwater, Reagan, Paul, and Trump stepped in as a stopgap. The despots are so close to enacting an irrevocable Socialist tyranny they can taste it. And the thought of losing political control is making them desperate and irrational. They have gotten so brash that they no longer pretend to be law abiding Americans who just to want the same thing for everybody by doing things a bit differently.

It is a shame. Abraham Lincoln gave great leniency to the Democrat Party despite their racist, bigoted, and prejudicial ways. +150 years and they have been on the wrong side of history on nearly every major issue. When they do come around to the right decision, it has usually been for the wrong reasons. Just like when they fought to the death to keep slavery, they still want to use chicanery to spread their racism, bigotry and intolerance. This time to our children in the public schools.

I hope this time around the GOP is ready to be serious about returning to a limited constitutional government conceived in Liberty but I am not holding my breath.

We still have the three boxes of liberty but those are slowly being taken away with fraudulent elections, a weaponized DOJ, and the left coming for guns.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

It looks like the pendulum is in midswing like in 2002. Neither Dems nor GOPs got a big win. But GOP did win the house which is of strategic importance of ameliorating the inflationary destruction of Americans and the rest of the people of the world from the imbecilic "Modern Monetary Theory."

Auxorii

Narland wrote:It looks like the pendulum is in midswing like in 2002. Neither Dems nor GOPs got a big win. But GOP did win the house which is of strategic importance of ameliorating the inflationary destruction of Americans and the rest of the people of the world from the imbecilic "Modern Monetary Theory."

I hope you're right. It was a disappointment but look at Florida that was a great day for DeSantis

Kumquat Cove, Miami Jai-Alai 3

President Trump did a great job up until 2020. Covid and the antifa riots cost him the election and DeSantis handled both well. It is Desantis' time now

Kumquat Cove, New Tampa

Suzi Island wrote:I hope you're right. It was a disappointment but look at Florida that was a great day for DeSantis

At local levels red got redder and blue got bluer. A lot of the disappointment for GOP is at the high expectations of a red wave indicated by the polling data. Either the polling data was badly skewed, there was a lot of cheating, or a mix of both. The fact that a majority of Americans voted GOP by 5% is a good sign. School board votes across the country are also a good sign for truth, justice, and liberty.

Suzi Island wrote:President Trump did a great job up until 2020. Covid and the antifa riots cost him the election and DeSantis handled both well. It is Desantis' time now

I would prefer that Trump go back to DC to finish what he started -- to be a wrecking ball to the delipidated establishment highrise. Then DeSantis can go in and lay a good foundation without all the blight in the way.

Kumquat Cove, Miri Islands, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Happy US Veteran's day, everyone. If you are a part of any uniformed service, even if it isn't military, thank you for your service.

Kumquat Cove, Auxorii

[quote=narland;49773365]At local levels red got redder and blue got bluer. A lot of the disappointment for GOP is at the high expectations of a red wave indicated by the polling data. Either the polling data was badly skewed, there was a lot of cheating, or a mix of both. The fact that a majority of Americans voted GOP by 5% is a good sign. School board votes across the country are also a good sign for truth, justice, and liberty.

The school boards are the most important. Education is a key for the next generation and we have to wrest it back from the American and liberty and truth hating left

Miencraft, Narland, Kumquat Cove, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Suzi Island wrote:The school boards are the most important. Education is a key for the next generation and we have to wrest it back from the American and liberty and truth hating left

This is the most pressing issue for the long term survival of Liberty.

Presidential elections have started:

Candidates are myself, and the incumbent tyrant Marxist, Auxorii.

Vote for me, and Tatem will be made build back great better again.

New Tampa

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Presidential elections have started:

Candidates are myself, and the incumbent tyrant Marxist, Auxorii.

Vote for me, and Tatem will be made build back great better again.

You have my full support.

Make Libertatem Great Again!

Greater Miami Shores 3

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Presidential elections have started:

Candidates are myself, and the incumbent tyrant Marxist, Auxorii.

Vote for me, and Tatem will be made build back great better again.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Libertatem sucks

One of the restaurants in town offered free meals for Veterans Day. We were seated at a large table next to a veteran who is a self-identified Independent Progressive. It was nice to have a meal with someone who actually spoke level-headedly about his malad... er, opinions. He willingly gave his reasons and understanding, but didn't ask any questions other than, "How many here are Trump supporters?"

He honestly thought that it logically followed that the poor needed the government (whom he identified as those making under $50,000 per year). Those at the table who did make around or under that were all Conservatives. He couldn't understand why, other than they were believing lies.

He didn't understand how those at the table (the preponderant consensus) would think that the state was the most oppressive engine against the well being of people in the history of the human species. There was a couple from Mexico who were Libertarian, and tried to explain that the reason Mexico was so impoverished was because of over 100 years of Progressive policies implemented by one party rule. We were all amicable, but he got quiet toward the end, and left without saying a word.

As your newly elected president, I hereby appoint New Tampa as my VP. Cabinet positions are open for applications. Senate elections will take place in the near future.

My number one goal is the increase of our population, and my number two goal is getting enough people to help build our capital, Reagan City, in Minecraft.

New Tampa

Post self-deleted by Narland.

New Poll Up

Despite the postings of the last few days on the RMB and Discord, Libertatem is still officially in interregnum, that is, without a proper functional government.

I was under the assumption that most ‘Tatemites were happy with such circumstances, however it has come to my attention that this is not the case.

Therefore, citizens of Libertatem, please make your voices heard in whether you want to pursue continuity or open a new chapter in ‘Tatemite governance.

Kumquat Cove, Rateria

From the Office of the Presidency of Libertatem

Fellow ‘Tatemites, since coming to this region, I have seen it change a lot, as I have changed myself. I had always wanted a place in this region since I was converted to the right-wing by its members, a track that opened me up so many IRL opportunities that I otherwise would not have had - had I never thought about things fully and had I never truly looked at other perspectives.

At the present time, it has become clear that a new way must be forged going forward. I want to be there as much as I can, but I think my role in government should come to an end at this point. Thus, I hereby resign as President of Libertatem, effective upon the next legitimate election of a new leader.

I have much to thank Libertatem for, and it has been a privilege to serve as your President and Supreme Executive. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for allowing me to represent Libertatem in any capacity.

Auxorii

Kumquat Cove, New Tampa, Nova Xander

Restore the Second Republic or the Consulate?

A friend took me to Chinese dinner today. The restaurant hands out fortune cookies. The fortune cookie (made by Winfar Foods) had "FTX" in bold letters with the FTX Logo printed on one side of the fortune! Yes, that FTX. On the other side, the fortune reads: "Money talks. Make it yell."

Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I’m calling it

The early late voters, and late early voters, and late late voters haven't had their ballots counted yet. :)

Auxorii

RIP Glen Brooks, author of "The Man-Month Myth" and IBM360 OS. He helped to make the world a better place.

Narland wrote:A friend took me to Chinese dinner today. The restaurant hands out fortune cookies. The fortune cookie (made by Winfar Foods) had "FTX" in bold letters with the FTX Logo printed on one side of the fortune! Yes, that FTX. On the other side, the fortune reads: "Money talks. Make it yell."

Yes make it yell as it's being burned

Rateria

President Trump is back on Twitter for the 1st time since the fiery but mostly peaceful protest at the capitol

Narland

Hello everyone! How's it going? I see an election is being considered?

Nova Xander wrote:Hello everyone! How's it going? I see an election is being considered?

It’s already been determined

Nova Xander

Also, just to make this clear, am I the only one in favor of creating Libertatem on Minecraft?

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Also, just to make this clear, am I the only one in favor of creating Libertatem on Minecraft?

I don't play so I wouldn't care either way

In appreciation for opening our embassy, breakfast is on us:

**Sets up a table of muffins, butter, jam, pancakes, maple syrup, bacon, ham, scrambled eggs, strawberries, coffee, tea, hot chocolate, and Hershey's kisses**

Kumquat Cove, Auxorii, Rateria, Greater Miami Shores 3

US Thanksgiving is tomorrow. May everyone have a have a Happy Thanksgiving. I am grateful to God for family and friends, and for living in the most prosperous times in human history.

Suzi Island wrote:I don't play so I wouldn't care either way

Well that’s dumb

New Tampa and I propose a new triumvirate, to act as a collegial provisional government until constitution is agreed upon. Anybody who wants to participate in constitutional construction, speak up whenever. We’ll really begin that process after Thanksgiving. Be thankful that you weren’t stabbed today.

Narland wrote:US Thanksgiving is tomorrow. May everyone have a have a Happy Thanksgiving. I am grateful to God for family and friends, and for living in the most prosperous times in human history.

Amen. Even through our difficult times I wouldn't trade living in America for anything

Miencraft

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Narland, Auxorii

Post self-deleted by The United States Of Patriots.

NATIONAL SEX PARTY

ALWAYS PLAPPIN

NEVER FAPPIN

Highway Eighty-Eight

Pro Trump or Anti Trump Poll 1 of x. Would you vote for Republican President Trump as President in 2024? Please read the introduction Page First. https://www.nationstates.net/region=greater_miami_shores_3#poll

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Pro Trump or Anti Trump Poll 1 of x. Would you vote for Republican President Trump as President in 2024? Please read the introduction Page First. https://www.nationstates.net/region=greater_miami_shores_3#poll

I would vote for President Trump for 2024 because all of the Establishment monies are being spent stopping him. That is one of the best indicators for his support.

Greater Miami Shores 3

Watch authoritarian conservatives and populists lose another, just because they can’t pick a better candidate than a philandering crooked spectacle.

Y’all need Jesus

The States Of Balloon wrote:NATIONAL SEX PARTY

ALWAYS PLAPPIN

NEVER FAPPIN

Balloon for president

Narland wrote:I would vote for President Trump for 2024 because all of the Establishment monies are being spent stopping him. That is one of the best indicators for his support.

I voted for Trump twice, best president of my young lifetime (26) but he should step aside, there are plenty of good, young, anti establishment people in the GOP (DeSantis, Younkin, etc) that being said I would vote for Trump in a heartbeat over Biden or any Democrat

In the wake of the recent poll, and seeing no one else take the lead, I am simply going to declare that I am taking up a transitional leadership position, and that Libertatem will be holding elections for a new Senate.

Libertatem has not possessed a strong, independent legislative body since the dissolution of the Second Republic and its Senate in late 2018. That was over four years ago. At the time, the decision to dissolve the government was very popular, many of our people were ending their time in high school and were entering the labor force and college, and Libertatem, like many regions, was struggling to find meaning and cope with rules and mechanics enforced by this website’s administrators. There was hope that ‘Tatem could expand outside of Nationstates, and for many months prior, the ‘Tatemites of the Discord Server were increasingly separating from this site. Libertatem did see some expansion, and a generation of ‘Tatemites have come and gone over the course of those years with almost no connection to NS. Some of us drifted back towards Nationstates since then, at various times, and a few attempts have been made to establish small administrations on this website again to deal with this regions affairs, as part of the greater community of Libertatemites, with these projects generally coming to a slow halt due to much the same issues as the Second Republic: many citizens had to shift their focus elsewhere.These cycles of activity and inactivity are natural. All communities like our own need to learn and relearn how to deal with them, and work, education, and the creation of families will always pull our longtime members, away, as they should. Hopefully they will not completely leave, or they will come back, but that’s not a reasonable expectation.

Libertatem needs to look to the future again, and to a new generation of ‘Tatemites— to build a new generation of ‘Tatemites. We have many older members here still in the region, and many more still in our Discord server, who can, and want to preserve the heritage, history, and principles of the community, and I am counting on them to do so, and we have many newer members who want to put their mark on the group. Our number one goal needs to be the satisfaction of our community, to supply it with activity, and our second goal should be to expand our population, and bring it back to the levels we saw during our best years.

There are legitimate fears that have been expressed whenever recruitment or expansion has been brought up in recent times, mostly on discord. Libertatem is unique amongst online forum based groups in that it has been consistently grounded in libertarian principles and ethics, priding itself in genuine freedom of speech and expression, allowing even the most distasteful opinions to be expressed and defended, with, really, no rules beyond expectation of reciprocity and respect for the rights and (real) safety of our members. At a time when this is not only not the norm, but actively discouraged for online groups and forums, Libertatem has always served as a medium for true communication on matters as varied and far between as politics and religion, video games and pop culture, science, and food. Despite, or possibly because of, our laissez-faire attitudes, and commitment to libertarian principles, we have created a long lasting and close community, and I am happy to identify many ‘Tatemites as friends. There is fear that we may lose this, but I think that if the older generation maintains its commitment to the community, and is willing to allow new generations to continue to enrich our Libertatem with the new, the only possible outcome is a closer, stronger group.

To see this happen, I am going to be cooperating with others to see elections take place, and a new constitution decided upon. I believe a new Senate, with powers similar to the last one, is absolutely necessary and anybody who wishes to participate is encouraged to announce their candidacy now. An executive with come after. I personally propose a Second Consulate, but unlike the previous triumvirate of consuls, we elect only two.

Narland, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa, Anarchlandia

If you wish to participate in the new senate, announce your candidacy here. The senate will be made up of five members.

I fully endorse the Transitional Leader, Highway Eighty-Eight, as well as his proposals concerning a new government; and will help support bringing said proposals to their fulfillment in any way I can.

Libertatem is a unique community - not only should it be preserved, but it should be expanded.

Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa, Anarchlandia

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:If you wish to participate in the new senate, announce your candidacy here. The senate will be made up of five members.

Or three, we’ll see

Auxorii, Rateria

(Roleplay)

The governments of Auxorii & Rateria are pleased to announce the formation of a new regional defense pact with the intention of preserving ‘Tatemite culture, way of governance and supporting the interests of ‘Tatemite nations.

Information on the alliance can be found here:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1802971

Narland, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Anarchlandia

Back in Business!

Hi everyone. I have decided to run in the upcoming Senate elections. Now more than ever, Libertatem needs industrious, creative and experienced people in public positions to get this region up and running again. Having partaken in such revival attempts before (successful and not), and caring about this region of which I have been a member for five and a half years, I believe I am a good fit for the job. In any case, I am very proficient in causing heated debates and stirring up controversy. Controversy = activity.

If you have any questions hit me up on the website or on Discord.

Regards,

Lib

Kumquat Cove, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Anarchlandia

I also would like to fully endorse The New Icelandic Commonwealth for any position he seeks in the future regional government - he will work for our region and will not forsake us or our values.

Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Anarchlandia

I will also be accepting submissions for recruitment messages

Rateria, Anarchlandia

I will be announcing my intention to serve Libertatem as part of the Senate.

I plan on embezzling all of this region’s monies and spending all of my time playing video games and selling drugs to kids.

Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Anarchlandia

Suzi Island will you serve in the senate?

Rateria, Anarchlandia

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Suzi Island will you serve in the senate?

I'm able and willing to serve

Kumquat Cove, Auxorii, Rateria, Anarchlandia

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I will be announcing my intention to serve Libertatem as part of the Senate.

I plan on embezzling all of this region’s monies and spending all of my time playing video games and selling drugs to kids.

Huzzah!

Rateria

Currently, those who plan on serving in the senate are:

Suzi Island

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

And myself.

I understand that New Tampawill also most probably serve.

Kumquat Cove, Suzi Island, Rateria, New Tampa

Preferably, we’d have one more senator, for five. Since there aren’t enough people currently intending to serve in the Senate, all those names will automatically gain a seat.

Rateria, New Tampa

The first Senate of our new republic will be comprised of:

New Tampa

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Suzi Island

Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight

Further development will occur soon.

Kumquat Cove, Suzi Island, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa

I don’t think the pinned factbook, originating with the First Republic and Empire, does much good being pinned. It is historically important, of course, and its preservation is good, but I don’t think it helps explain what Libertatem is today, or what it has been for most of its history.

The First Republic was a deeply passionate era. It was Libertatem without a real identity. Anti-Communism (and really, anti-leftism) was what we attempted to define ourselves with. Rather than defining ourselves by what we were, we prioritized what we were not, and that is always less commendable. Words like “Liberty” were used, but were of secondary importance. The First Republic, and its association with Fascists and other non-libertarian anti-communist (and really just not great people), was Libertatem in its youth, and its troubled origin. The death of the First Republic was the start of its maturation and allowed Libertatem to begin to discover what it was.

Honestly, I think that the Second Republic was probably the most important period of Libertatem’s history. Libertatem’s character was fundamentally, and probably irrevocably, changed during the time, and with the departure of most of our eldest generation, I think that the 1st Republic and Empire have only a trace, sentimental part in what makes Libertatem, Libertatem, today. The anti-Liberty element disappeared, either leaving the group out of disgust and fear, or realizing that Liberty breeds genuine community, abandoned a desire to control. Real diversity became a defining feature. Rather than define ourselves as enemies to a chosen enemy, we became the good qualities that our opponents lacked and scoffed at. We didn’t start as a real libertarian region, but we grew into it. We aren’t a region in decay, but a community that has come of age.

Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I don’t think the pinned factbook, originating with the First Republic and Empire, does much good being pinned...

While I share your sentiments about the Empire and First/Second Republics, the two factbooks pinned are pinned for historical purposes.

I recently pinned the Treatise because I thought it would be interesting to have some words of the founder of the region there; as well as what he envisioned Libertatem to be - I didn’t really think it was important, rather I just stumbled upon it from the archives and thought it was neat, so I pinned it - I do that from time to time when I find interesting ‘Tatemite stuff - eventually, anything informal or non-archival goes away usually, being unpinned to make room for something of importance.

I do however think the History of Libertatem pin should remain, despite it beimh outdated. Really, we should assemble a team of ‘Tatemites to rewrite some topics and write up to the present day. It already has a lot of the events that were defining to the Second Republic and so I think they are still relevant, as you’ve said they’ve made the region into what it is today.

Perhaps a historian role would be a good idea in future? I think we can all agree the regional history should be maintained, especially if we are to open a new chapter in recruitment and governance.

Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The first Senate of our new republic will be comprised of:

New Tampa

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Suzi Island

Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight

Further development will occur soon.

I look forward to serving in the senate and working on the growth of Libertatem, the best region on NS

Narland, Kumquat Cove, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Some stuff in Cuba

https://www.cubanet.org/noticias/gran-logia-de-cuba-llama-a-los-masones-a-hacer-politica/?fbclid=IwAR3ylQPbx4DofAEV9f2VJh2k-DbPX-DomwHSBU2eSX42J0LCAzTeFSB0yOs

(Google Translate)

[Grand Orator] “In one of the oaths taken in my Masonic career, I sanctioned 'always work for the building of our country and constantly fight for the progress of humanity.' Now I ask myself, how can I build my country if I don't do politics for it? If we Freemasons, as the highest expression of free thought, do not work for the acceptance of all types of political doctrines in society, we are doomed to failure”.

And he added: “In our fraternal bosom members of dissimilar political expressions coexist: pro-government and outlawed. And from that harmonious coexistence arise, most of the time, the necessary solutions for the problems that we face as an Institution. That is why we must and are called to work for this to happen in civil society; we have to look for the way to influence and persevere so that civic space is granted to all currents of thought”.

Auxorii wrote:While I share your sentiments about the Empire and First/Second Republics, the two factbooks pinned are pinned for historical purposes.

I recently pinned the Treatise because I thought it would be interesting to have some words of the founder of the region there; as well as what he envisioned Libertatem to be - I didn’t really think it was important, rather I just stumbled upon it from the archives and thought it was neat, so I pinned it - I do that from time to time when I find interesting ‘Tatemite stuff - eventually, anything informal or non-archival goes away usually, being unpinned to make room for something of importance.

I do however think the History of Libertatem pin should remain, despite it beimh outdated. Really, we should assemble a team of ‘Tatemites to rewrite some topics and write up to the present day. It already has a lot of the events that were defining to the Second Republic and so I think they are still relevant, as you’ve said they’ve made the region into what it is today.

Perhaps a historian role would be a good idea in future? I think we can all agree the regional history should be maintained, especially if we are to open a new chapter in recruitment and governance.

This region has a rich history that should ve maintained

Narland, Auxorii

New Citizenship Process is Up

Everybody must reapply for citizenship, including the current Senators.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fourth_republic_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/id=1808698

Rateria

Several notes on the oath.

There is no option to affirm. My Society of Friends upbringing binds my conscience in this regard even when role-playing fictional nations, or it might be high functioning autism. .

True allegiance is what a subject (not a Citizen) owes his sovereign. An enslaved people must swear obeisance to their master. A free and equal people mutually pledge their allegiance.

That "I will conform to any duly constituted lawful order, decree, or statute of Libertatem, and fulfill all reasonable obligations as a Citizen" is more fitting.

That "I shall never knowingly participate in any activity calculated to cause harm to the Libertatemite community," and "I understand that any violation of this oath may result in the termination of my citizenship." are well worded and agreeable.

If the oath is amended in some manner to reflect these considerations, or if my sentiments are acceptably binding to you, I will gladly accept the responsibility of Libertatem Citizenship.

Auxorii

Narland wrote:Several notes on the oath.

There is no option to affirm. My Society of Friends upbringing binds my conscience in this regard even when role-playing fictional nations, or it might be high functioning autism. .

True allegiance is what a subject (not a Citizen) owes his sovereign. An enslaved people must swear obeisance to their master. A free and equal people mutually pledge their allegiance.

That "I will conform to any duly constituted lawful order, decree, or statute of Libertatem, and fulfill all reasonable obligations as a Citizen" is more fitting.

That "I shall never knowingly participate in any activity calculated to cause harm to the Libertatemite community," and "I understand that any violation of this oath may result in the termination of my citizenship." are well worded and agreeable.

If the oath is amended in some manner to reflect these considerations, or if my sentiments are acceptably binding to you, I will gladly accept the responsibility of Libertatem Citizenship.

I would say that I understand your concerns, but I don’t really understand them.

I get that certain individuals and sects refuse to take oaths and makes promises when the words “swear” and “oath” are included, but with take the exact same oath and promise if these words are omitted and replaced with the words “affirm” and “pledge,” which have only slight sentimental differences in meaning, within certain dialects. I have never been able to understand the difference, and as far as I am concerned, they mean the same thing, so I don’t care whether or not those changes are made, so long as the obligations are understood to be the same, and the changes are not being made with a purpose of evasion, hesitation, or reservation which would undermine the very point of the oath, and render the taker a hypocrite.

To “swear” “True allegiance” is something found in several oaths under the United States. Every new citizen and every enlisted man within the US swears to bear it. I don’t understand what is servile about it.

All obligations, by their very nature as obligations, are reasonable. “Reasonable obligation” is to state something twice, and justifies infidelity to an obligation.

Narland, Auxorii

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