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Also to Pevvania, Happy birthday and welcome back from Grenada.

You'll be overtaking the CoG's population at this rate, Chairman Pev ;)

Pax Osca wrote:You'll be overtaking the CoG's population at this rate, Chairman Pev ;)

Nice to see you in the neighbourhood, Pax :) I think we actually did a few weeks ago, but numbers whittled down back to 100-ish.

Just passing by by for the being, methinks ;) Libertarianism is really not my cup of tea, but when I saw you were the right hand man of a region, I had to come investigate :P

I believe that back in the CoG we're only about 5 above you. Had a newbie join today though, and Van's been recruiting so it may pick up, who knows?

Pax Osca wrote:Just passing by by for the being, methinks ;) Libertarianism is really not my cup of tea, but when I saw you were the right hand man of a region, I had to come investigate :P

I thought not. Despicable commies like you will never know the meaning of real freedom! ;)

Pax Osca wrote:I believe that back in the CoG we're only about 5 above you. Had a newbie join today though, and Van's been recruiting so it may pick up, who knows?

Well, I hope your numbers get back up. It was shocking to watch the Coalition's numbers go from 200-odd to 100. But it's been happening to dozens of regions in the past six months, this one included.

Indeed ;) Socialists like me only care about freedom from poverty, freedom from health bills and freedom from being exploited by ebul businesses led by people who were born richer than you and got a better education and job opportunities thanks to their rich ass parents ;)

Van's been saying he's been sending out 400+ messages at times with zero returns (until the newbie today)... it's weird...

Pax Osca wrote:Indeed ;) Socialists like me only care about freedom from poverty, freedom from health bills and freedom from being exploited by ebul businesses led by people who were born richer than you and got a better education and job opportunities thanks to their rich ass parents ;)

Van's been saying he's been sending out 400+ messages at times with zero returns (until the newbie today)... it's weird...

I assume he's using mass TGs? Tell him to buy telegram stamps if he doesn't have any already. They're pretty cheap, and really helped us get from 55 to 100 nations in the span of a few weeks.

I think he's using some brand-spanking new NS++ function along with stamps... but I'm not 100% sure X)

I remember him saying he got some stamps a short while back, but that's it.

Did you co-found this region then, or are you just the delegate for t3h lulz?

Pax Osca wrote:I think he's using some brand-spanking new NS++ function along with stamps... but I'm not 100% sure X)

I remember him saying he got some stamps a short while back, but that's it.

Hmm. Well, I hope it works out eventually.

Pax Osca wrote:Did you co-found this region then, or are you just the delegate for t3h lulz?

No, I came here about six months ago when I left the COG. I was the Military Manager until I successfully ran for Delegate. The founder, [nation=short]Liberosia[/nation], abdicated power a while ago, so I'm basically the head honcho.

Sadly, nearly all of our long-time residents have moved on.

Pax Osca wrote:Indeed ;) Socialists like me only care about freedom from poverty, freedom from health bills and freedom from being exploited by ebul businesses led by people who were born richer than you and got a better education and job opportunities thanks to their rich ass parents ;)

Van's been saying he's been sending out 400+ messages at times with zero returns (until the newbie today)... it's weird...

I'm sorry, I don't believe we've met before, so I can't tell whether or not this is some type of joke.

I've changed the parties factbook to add some cool colours and show how many seats each party occupies. I recommend that all independents join a political party. I also recommend all active residents to join the House of Representatives or run for a Board seat.

Let's all welcome two new parties to the fray: the Libertarian Objectivist Party and the Anarcho-Capitalist Party. Info in party factbooks.

Lack There Of wrote:I'm sorry, I don't believe we've met before, so I can't tell whether or not this is some type of joke.

*laughs nervously and holds up hands in defensive gesture* now, now... don't get your Libertarian panties in a twist just yet. Your WFB entry says you welcome all ideologies.

If you think Socialism is as an absurd of an idea as I think Libertarianism is, I think we both know that there will, therefore, be no point in arguing about it. Ain't nobody's views going to change, and we'll both just end up getting angry for now reason.

In other news... Hello, I'm Pax Osca (call me Pax), a puppet of the nation of Paixão. I know Pev from another region (your first region, Pev? I can't remember if you were new or not when you joined the CoG...), and was interested to see what he'd done with this place :3

Pax Osca wrote:*laughs nervously and holds up hands in defensive gesture* now, now... don't get your Libertarian panties in a twist just yet. Your WFB entry says you welcome all ideologies.

If you think Socialism is as an absurd of an idea as I think Libertarianism is, I think we both know that there will, therefore, be no point in arguing about it. Ain't nobody's views going to change, and we'll both just end up getting angry for now reason.

In other news... Hello, I'm Pax Osca (call me Pax), a puppet of the nation of Paixão. I know Pev from another region (your first region, Pev? I can't remember if you were new or not when you joined the CoG...), and was interested to see what he'd done with this place :3

Don't mind Lack, we ain't used to your kind around here :) UCR's founder established a party here a while back, but he abandoned it thereafter and returned to his region. Would you like to become the new leader of the Libertarian Socialist Party and join the House of Representatives?

The COG was my first region. Moved here after I got severe writers' block, and felt that I wasn't really needed anymore over there.

Hello all, I would just like to introduce myself as the newest member of the House and the Leader of the Libertatum Anarcho-Capitalist party and formally invite anybody who shares my views to join the Anarcho-Capitalist party. On a more serious note, I would like to announce my candidacy for the Manager of the state and announce that I am dedicated to the well being of Libertatum and the fall of communism. Thank You.

I have a feeling today is going to be a very eventful day for us.

Zarden wrote:Hello all, I would just like to introduce myself as the newest member of the House and the Leader of the Libertatum Anarcho-Capitalist party and formally invite anybody who shares my views to join the Anarcho-Capitalist party. On a more serious note, I would like to announce my candidacy for the Manager of the state and announce that I am dedicated to the well being of Libertatum and the fall of communism. Thank You.

Apologies if I did not clarify this, but all Managerial seats are appointed by the President. I recommend running for the Board.

You can't run for manager of the state

That spot is appointed by the president.

Also, way to misspell the name of the region.

oops

yeah that what i meant. sorry bout' that. Done did got all up head' myself.

Hello all, I would just like to introduce myself as the newest member of the House and the Leader of the Libertatum Anarcho-Capitalist party and formally invite anybody who shares my views to join the Anarcho-Capitalist party. On a more serious note, I would like to announce my candidacy for the BOARD MEMBER OOPSY and announce that I am dedicated to the well being of Libertatum and the fall of communism. Thank You.

Fixed it.

"that what I meant"

Words of wisdom from the professor over here.

Woah guys, let's all calm down... We're all friends here. Zarden, what seat do you want to run for?

1st seat: The Free Land of Muh Roads RLP

2nd seat: The Commonwealth of Humpheria RLP

3rd seat: The Objectivist Empire of Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes RLP

4th seat: The Minarchist Republic of Miencraft Independent

5th seat: Liberty front RLP

Seat 3 and Seat 5 are currently occupied by Islands and Abaretta, but are not running for re-election so right now Reagan and Liberty Front are set to inherit the Seats. Each candidate can contest one seat.

I'd recommend you two running on Seats 3 and 5, as these are not safe seats being handed over to new Board members. The others, especially 1 and 2, are pretty safe.

I'll go for fifth, please

I'll run for the 3rd, if It wouldn't be too much trouble

When does the campaign end?

The election goes from the 18th to the 20th.

Board Races

1st seat: [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] RLP

2nd seat: [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] RLP

3rd seat: [nation=short]Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes[/nation] RLP, [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] LOP

4th seat: [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] Independent

5th seat: [nation=short]The Liberty Front[/nation] RLP, [nation=short]Zarden[/nation] ACP

So reagan is not running for re election?

How is the voting process done?

Er, scratch that, it is just reagan and I?

Alchandria wrote:So reagan is not running for re election?

No, Reagan is running to replace Islands. In the list I drew up below, candidates in bold are incumbent and candidates not in bold are not currently in office.

Zarden wrote:How is the voting process done?

A region-wide telegram is sent out, and voters select what candidates in which Seats they want to see elected. Unopposed candidates will automatically win.

So basically the race will come down to the Seats with multiple candidates, on which the electorate will vote on.

Pax Osca wrote:*laughs nervously and holds up hands in defensive gesture* now, now... don't get your Libertarian panties in a twist just yet. Your WFB entry says you welcome all ideologies.

If you think Socialism is as an absurd of an idea as I think Libertarianism is, I think we both know that there will, therefore, be no point in arguing about it. Ain't nobody's views going to change, and we'll both just end up getting angry for now reason.

In other news... Hello, I'm Pax Osca (call me Pax), a puppet of the nation of Paixão. I know Pev from another region (your first region, Pev? I can't remember if you were new or not when you joined the CoG...), and was interested to see what he'd done with this place :3

Sorry if that sounded aggressive, it was not intended to be an insult. Honest mistake, i thought you were really attempting humor. We dont get to much of that around here

so who is up for a little commie fighting?

Pevvania wrote:I've changed the parties factbook to add some cool colours and show how many seats each party occupies. I recommend that all independents join a political party. I also recommend all active residents to join the House of Representatives or run for a Board seat.

Let's all welcome two new parties to the fray: the Libertarian Objectivist Party and the Anarcho-Capitalist Party. Info in party factbooks.

How many freaking Libertarian parties do we actually need!?

Furthermore both Libertarian Objectivitism and an Ancrcho-Capitalist party are paradoxical in nature. Any strict, hardliner objectivist would not involve themselves in the affairs of other individuals (or nations for that matter) by means of public policy. Likewise, an anarchist party running for a seat in a functioning government is ludicrous.

Does any one else see an issue here, or is it just me?

This is not a place for you to trash other political ideologies, so don't. Thank you.

Zarden wrote:This is not a place for you to trash other political ideologies, so don't. Thank you.

Im not trashing, I am just pointing out the paradoxes of these alleged parties. Personally, I agree with An-Cap philosophies, but to make a political party from those ideas would be hypocritical. The closest thing available would be a minarchist party, or the regional LP (which is already in place).

The point of a Anarcho-Cap. Political party is to raise awareness and just get into government to minimize the government and instill Anarch-Cap ideals.

Furthermore, I am greatly excited to see the expansion of activity in the region, but we cant get away with ourselves. There are currently four different branches of the Libertarian party in the region. I suggest the leaders of the parties hold a convention and all come to an agreement to choose individual party names.

Zarden wrote:The point of a Anarcho-Cap. Political party is to raise awareness and just get into government to minimize the government and instill Anarch-Cap ideals.

So the libertarian party?

Make a Libertarian party for all the things! lol

Or merge into maybe two. I would like to get more diverse parties into Libertatem, also. But I agree completely.

Muh Roads wrote:Make a Libertarian party for all the things! lol

Basically, yeah

I feel like you guys are just trying to get more people into your own parties.

Alchandria wrote:I feel like you guys are just trying to get more people into your own parties.

I disagree, its not about the size of the party its about the values. If we have four parties that differ only marginally, we run into the same issue that the US is in currently. Vauge associations that people are drawn to only by name recognition.

A party's values don't matter if it has no members or supporters.

Lack There Of wrote:Basically, yeah

You have a point though, the two are basically the same thing. Although, even if the parties have the same ideals.. i don't nessecarily think it's a bad thing to have two different parties supporting a similar idea.. our ideals are typically similar and don't vary much for the region as a whole. Its seems like it's just a battle for who is the most Libertarian right/left

My party's values differ greatly from Libertarianism.

Likewise i would say a bloated, ineffective, party with no real values would not matter, philosophically, regardless of the numbers it contains.

The freaking place has libertarian in the name; what did you expect

Lack There Of wrote:Sorry if that sounded aggressive, it was not intended to be an insult. Honest mistake, i thought you were really attempting humor. We dont get to much of that around here

Hehe, nope :P While this nation is merely a puppet of a nation of socialist version of a "Brave New World" type of 'government', my IRL views are largely moderate with a left leaning bias, in European terms. By American standards I'd be a "communist" - according to mal-informed Republicans - or a Socialist by their less biased peers not still stuck in the middle of a cold war Red Scare.

Pevvania wrote:Don't mind Lack, we ain't used to your kind around here :) UCR's founder established a party here a while back, but he abandoned it thereafter and returned to his region. Would you like to become the new leader of the Libertarian Socialist Party and join the House of Representatives?

I'm not quite sure how you can combine Libertarianism with Socialism in any meaningful way, Pev ;) It'd certainly require some pretty skilled double-think. I'm afraid this puppet will probably only be here temporarily. I'm anticipating needing it in an RP on Lerodas soon, so it's been around a while just slowly bubbling up it's population and a couple of other stats.

Zarden wrote:My party's values differ greatly from Libertarianism.

Anarcho-capitalism is pretty libertarian, at least by definition where i reside.

Muh Roads wrote:You have a point though, the two are basically the same thing. Although, even if the parties have the same ideals.. i don't nessecarily think it's a bad thing to have two different parties supporting a similar idea.. our ideals are typically similar and don't vary much for the region as a whole. Its seems like it's just a battle for who is the most Libertarian right/left

I love it. We should just have two parties the libertarian party and the Libertarian Party

Still many differences.

The american democrat and republican parties are bloated, ineffective, parties with no real values, and they matter.

Lack There Of wrote:I love it. We should just have two parties the libertarian party and the Libertarian Party

The capital letters makes the Libertarian Party better, clearly.

And anarcho-capitalist really is just a fancy way of saying libertarian.

Alchandria wrote:The american democrat and republican parties are bloated, ineffective, parties with no real values, and they matter.

They "matter" because of an ignorant population, that doesn't mean their platform means anything

Muh Roads wrote:The capital letters makes the Libertarian Party better, clearly.

Obviously

Muh Roads wrote:The capital letters makes the Libertarian Party better, clearly.

bigger is better, i suppose.

Zarden wrote:bigger is better, i suppose.

Unless it's government... right...? right..?

;)

Alchandria wrote:And anarcho-capitalist really is just a fancy way of saying libertarian.

Real world libertarianism holds its roots to the classical liberals of the enlightenment, which would be considered more minarchist than anything else. It is true, however, that in the Seventies that An-Caps, most notably Rothbard, did play a role in getting the American LP off the ground.

A staple of Libertarianism is that social interaction should be voluntary.

Ya'll should just feel lucky that I am here.

Muh Roads wrote:Unless it's government... right...? right..?

;)

I love you people.

Pax Osca wrote:I'm not quite sure how you can combine Libertarianism with Socialism in any meaningful way, Pev ;) It'd certainly require some pretty skilled double-think. I'm afraid this puppet will probably only be here temporarily. I'm anticipating needing it in an RP on Lerodas soon, so it's been around a while just slowly bubbling up it's population and a couple of other stats.

I didn't found the party, but it seems that a fair few socialists these days are jacking the mantle of 'libertarian', for some reason. That's a shame, but hopefully you can drop by another time. :)

Alchandria wrote:And anarcho-capitalist really is just a fancy way of saying libertarian.

no.

Alchandria wrote:A staple of Libertarianism is that social interaction should be voluntary.

Ya'll should just feel lucky that I am here.

We're all greatly honored

Zarden wrote:no.

Wow, what a well rounded defense!

Please, teach me!

While I too am enjoying the resultant activity boost, I do think that something needs to be done about all these libertarian parties. Perhaps they could be consolidated into two or so parties in a meaningful way. The An-Caps would fit well into the LP - which has at least two anarchists in it - and the LOP could merge with the RLP.

I'll make a point of mentioning the distinctiveness of my party, the RLP. It's very much a minarchist party, and while we all believe in social and economic freedom, we are foreign interventionist.

Alchandria wrote:Wow, what a well rounded defense!

Please, teach me!

Well Anarcho-cap is basically "buy things and don't rape or kill anyone".

It is a minimised Libertarian that is more extreme.

Sounds like an ok plan

By the way, how many active nations do you estimate there are

"It is a minimised Libertarian that is more extreme"

That is what is known as a double negative, something that people should be drowned for using.

i object to the destruction of the An-Cap party and proposed something else.

Send the anarchists to An-Cap and then Merge Obj. Libertarianism and RLp

What I mean is that there are less ideals and we are much more focused on civil rights and freedom to do whatever you want, (with the acception of raping and killing and such)

First of all, THAT IS THE BASIC IDEA OF LIBERTARIANISM

Second of all, exception, not acception, acception is not a word.

Who are we, as libertarians no matter how you spin it... to destroy minor parties? We should encourage this, not make them merge into larger parties.

All those in favor of compromising a merger, say I

All those in favor of destroying small parties, say Y

Alchandria wrote:All those in favor of compromising a merger, say I

All those in favor of destroying small parties, say Y

I think it makes more sense to let the parties themselves handle this, democratic intervention isn't really necessary is it?

Muh Roads wrote:I think it makes more sense to let the parties themselves handle this, democratic intervention isn't really necessary is it?

People in the same parties seem to have different ideas

How about a democratic intervention within each of the parties?

Just sayin'.. like a start up business might have a similar model of business to say, McDonalds, but that doesn't mean they should be shut down just because the start up also sells cheap hamburgers.

Alchandria wrote:How about a democratic intervention within each of the parties?

Sure, if that's what the party wants to do.

I feel that the destruction of minor parties violates the Libertatum constitution and the POLICY act.

Guys... I wasn't forcing anything on ya :P Just making a suggestion.

Pevvania wrote:Guys... I wasn't forcing anything on ya :P Just making a suggestion.

I know, was just offering my opinion on the matter :)

Zarden seems to think he is.

Political parties in Libertatem are privately owned. How diverse they are is up to their owners. I was there when we established that.

That is why I would like to announce that I am forming the Anti-Corporatist Party, a reactionary movement that seeks to sway the Libertatem government into not only avoiding relations with fascist regions, but with all regions dedicated to big government or government-corporation relations. Telegram me with questions, or if you seek membership.

Just to warn y'all, having more than one of your nations in the World Assembly will invoke harsh penalties from the moderators.

i just don't think the destruction of minor parties is constitutional.

Why do you say that, Pev?

The dissolution of political parties is entirely up to their owners. It isn't the business of the Libertatem government.

Also, say no to government-mandated workplace exploitation. It defies the principles of capitalism.

I propose an act on dealing with the creation of politically redundant parties.

Not an end all thing, just a set of procedures for different situations relating to the idea.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:The dissolution of political parties is entirely up to their owners. It isn't the business of the Libertatem government.

I realise this, and was only making a suggestion as a citizen, not a President.

I propose an act on dealing with the destruction of innocent parties who are not violating any rules, nor harming anything.

They are being a pain in the ass, though.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Political parties in Libertatem are privately owned. How diverse they are is up to their owners. I was there when we established that.

That is why I would like to announce that I am forming the Anti-Corporatist Party, a reactionary movement that seeks to sway the Libertatem government into not only avoiding relations with fascist regions, but with all regions dedicated to big government or government-corporation relations. Telegram me with questions, or if you seek membership.

Thank you for using an original name. I am still in favor of the NAMES of parties being discussed, and perhaps changed VOLUNTARILY. All of this talk of merging parties is kind of against the purpose of parties in the first place.

I am against any act that would permit the regional government to dictate what is and isn't a political party. Political parties in the region are a private institution. If Libertatem's government were to regulate the parties, it would be like a government regulating the economy - in the eyes of the Anti-Corporatist Party, that's no good.

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