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Welcome to Libertatem. (Yay, I got a recruit!)

This is Libertatem, a home for anti-communists, proponents of smaller government, and defenders of the free market.

That sounded rehearsed lol

Well, that's for me.

Idealism, how'd you get a recruit so easy? It's so hard for me :I

And hooray, our numbers are recovering slowly but surely! :)

I asked about fifteen people. That was my only response of any kind.

Welcome, all new nations! I'm so glad to see you join us.

I'd like the Disestablishment of the Right Party (DERP) Act to be voted on again. Idealism introduced it about two months ago, but I don't think it picked up any traction. I don't see the Right Party as having any real purpose, and I dislike its acception of statists and fascists. Besides, the region as a whole needs to get more active, so we should vote on DERP.

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I bring before the House of Representatives two Acts I would like to see passed within the next three days.

First, the DERP Act, which has been revised to accommodate the new party system by simply ordering the Right Party to be disestablished and enabling any upstart to refound it so that it is not in defiance of the PATRIOT Act.

Second, the Repeal IMPERIAL Act, which is a wordless law that simply eliminates the legal status of the IMPERIAL Act.

In accordance with tradition and the constitution, the majority vote of all members who cast them wins. For the sake of making this fair I ask that no one use puppets considering the volume of votes is irrelevant, unlike constitutional amendments. The vote will last 3 days. I will tally the results.

Below is the revised DERP Act:

DERP Act

Disestablishment of the Right Party Act

Section I

Purpose

Subsection I

To remove the Right Party from the list of private parties in defiance of its tolerance of fascism and statism.

Subsection Subsection I

Its tolerance is alluded to by the inclusion of "fascist corporatism" in a list of what members of that party could be like.

Subsection Subsection II

Also alluded to by the tendency of present government officials to avoid it, and the tendency of past unpopular officials such as Einsiev or Abatael to endorse it.

Section II

Effect

Subsection I

The Right Party, in its present form, will be discontinued. It will no longer be on the roster of parties until refounded.

Subsection II

Those who wish to refound it must set it in a different direction that does not sympathize with fascists, Nazis, or statists.

Subsection Subsection I

It must also, if it is to have a leader, have a leader that does not have fascist or statist sympathies.

Does this look fair to everyone?

I lol'd at DERP haha

As I've said two months ago, IT'S NOT FUNNY. Well, it's kind of funny. The acronym just happened to fit better than any word I could find.

Well, let the vote begin. It will end about six update times from now.

I will vote FOR on the DERP Act and FOR on the Repeal IMPERIAL Act.

DERP - 1, 0

RIMPERIAL - 1, 0

Yea for both DERP Act and Repeal IMPERIAL Act.

Yea for the DERP Act and yea for the RIMPERIAL.

Also, I'm on Chatzy.

DERP - 4, 0

RIMPERIAL - 3, 0

Sure. Do you know what it's for?

The Right Party is a currently empty party that used to have fascists in it, and it's kind of spoiling our name. That's why I voted for, so that we could get rid of it.

The Libertatem Empire is kind of a failed central government I'm currently in charge of, and considering it is too costly to run I voted for on Repeal IMPERIAL so that we could disband it.

I don't like fascists or big governments, I vote for for both

DERP - 5, 0

RIMPERIAL - 4, 0

Would you guys be mad if I felt like voting against?

Personally, I wouldn't be mad (even though I did suggest the legislation). Just confused.

Besides, there's already quite a few votes for. If you want to change your vote, that's perfectly fine - in fact, I'm sort of unnerved that there's no opponents yet.

Nonononono, I'm not changing my vote, I was just asking a theoretical question

Oh? Well, okay. Hope I answered it for you. :/

Yea for DERP act and yea for repealing the IMPERIAL act. This is a great leap forward for Libertatem. I urge one and all to vote.

I have been working on appointing a new board member, but I have hit a bump. The consitution provides me no power to appoint board members, only the founder. That is highly problematic.

Don't you remember what Liberosia said when he left? He said he left you and the government "discretion". That same term is used in the constitution to describe the powers Liberosia gives you. Hence, you can appoint Board members, at least until his return.

Idealism, CLOF, Islands. Go on Chatzy, I have a question.

Alright, thanks for reminding me, CI.

Ok. I'm back FOR GOOD.

I'll use puppets this time.

Hold that thought, please.

I would like to continue running for Manager of the State.

*Guffaws loudly* Good luck with that.

DERP - 6, 0

RIMPERIAL - 5, 0

Nay on Derp act. That would be violating freedom of expresion if the government stamps the party out. Even if it isnt aligned with the members of the region.

Yea on Imperial act. The Empire on my side of the table was somewhat oppresive, especialy to the old members of the IRU

I don't think the Right Party has any members in it apart from Coolidgestan, who's been inactive for a while, so it's basically a dead party.

Operation: Tampico will begin in seven hours. Contact me if you wish to participate in the liberation of a region we've codenamed Tampico.

Bad news to all who are participating in Tampico. I unfortunately won't be awake for the proposed time of the operation start, so it will have to be postponed to the following update.

Sorry guys :/

That's alright, I can wake up early.

Flenzburg, if we are to abide by the constitution, the DERP act must be approved. The constitution explicitly forbids fascism and nazism.

Einsiev, one does not run for manager of the state. Telegram me if you believe you have what it takes and explain to me why.

Great, Conservative. The 1800 UTC update gives me much more flexibility.

The Tampico regime has strengthened its defenses to six endorsers. So now we need four more troops.

So, what did i miss? What is Tampico?

Yeah, what is that????

Tampico is the codename of a region that is going to be liberated by Libertatem forces later today. I need as many people as I can get, so could you two help us?

Maybe....... what would I have to do?

When instructed, you have to move a puppet nation to 'Tampico', get it to join the World Assembly and then use it to endorse the nation that will take the Delegacy. Simple enough?

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I already have a WA nation.......................

Then could you move that nation to Tampico when instructed?

How long will I have to leave it there???

Not long. Hopefully less than a week.

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Here's something I've come up with. It may be small, but I see no reason to oppose it as it makes perfect sense.

The Demonym Act

Section I

Clarification of the purpose of this act.

Subsection I

To provide a suitable demonym fitting members of Libertatem and the affairs they partake in.

Section II

Effects of the act.

Subsection I

Upon the authorisation of this act, the official demonym of the region of Libertatem is to be 'Libertan'.

DERP - 6, 1

RIMPERIAL - 6, 0

Voting will continue for two more days.

Then the constitution has great contradiction. We have the freedom of speech and expresion unless you are not conservative

Article VIIRightsSection ISubsection IThe government shall make no law enforcing an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.Subsection IIAll nations may retain the power of weaponry, or arms, in order to secure the liberty of the state and itÂ’s people. No law shall be made restricting the ownership of said weapons.Subsection IIINo nation shall be investigated without suspicion or probable cause.Subsection IVEvery nation has a right to represent him or herself in a trial or case when banjection is considered. If the case is made to the founder and on the Regional Message Board using legal authority, suppression will not follow.Subsection VAll nations are entitled to the liberties that can be provided. Liberty shall not be infringed upon without probable cause and legal justification.Subsection VIAll the powers not designated to the Regional Government, belong to the nations respectively.Subsection VIINations have a right to form and keep any form of government they so choose, as long as said government does not infringe upon the rights of other Libertatem nations and is in no way allied with the forces of socialism and communism. The founder retains the power to make exceptions for this rule.The Derp act is unconstitutional its all over the constitutions

The freedom of speech does not mean the freedom from consequence. We will not stop you from saying something but will take appropriate action should what you say infringe upon the rights of the rest of us to a region free of communism or fascism. We all know this.

The DERP act is not unconstitutional. However, this is a flaw in the constitution. I agree on that. Freedom of expression is to be at liberty to tell people what they do not want to hear.

so what's this region all about?

We're an anti-communist region that promotes small government, a free market, and peace through strength.

peace through strength? oh i get it like war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength?

Snab, Conservative, I gotta talk to you guys on chat.

And Not Relics, 'peace through strength' was an old Roman military saying, recently poached by Ronald Reagan. He used it to describe his foreign policy: helping to secure peace for America through expansion of the military and by funding foreign anti-communist guerillas.

hmm... interesting.. i have a question... how would peace be achieved if even nation started to do that?

i don't mean it in any bad way haha just wondering..

Reagan himself explains it best:

We know that peace is the condition under which mankind was meant to flourish. Yet peace does not exist of its own will. It depends on us, on our courage to build it and guard it and pass it on to future generations. George Washington's words may seem hard and cold today, but history has proven him right again and again. "To be prepared for war," he said, "is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." Well, to those who think strength provokes conflict, Will Rogers had his own answer. He said of the world heavyweight champion of his day: "I've never seen anyone insult Jack Dempsey."

Greetings one, greetings all! This is Galacticorp - bringing you intelligent solutions. We are a galaxy-wide corporation that prides itself on finding intelligent solutions to the Milky Way's problems! First, we pioneered interstellar travel. Then we gave you quantum mining. After that, the functioning wormhole. Where will the innovation end?

Recent news: Chief Executive Greg Perkins has announced that operations have been permanently suspended in Reaganomic Paradise due to the economic effects caused by the recent ROL invasion. The anti-enterprise military dictator, Sharqi, has all but destroyed any market opportunity there and flooded the place with his own soldiers, turning away hundreds of investors. All resources have been withdrawn immediately to prevent government nationalisation/destruction of company property.

We are pleased to announce the beginning of company operations in Libertatem!

Well that sounds like Mao. After his revolution he alowed freedom of speech then after a year he weeded out those who critizized him. Thats what it looks like here

No. You have clearly misunderstood what Libertatem is. Libertatem is a region solely intended for promoting liberty and fighting leftism. I will not allow fascists and communists in this region, as the constitution states. I agreed with you partly because the constitution lacks harmony in these matters. I'll be working on that soon.

Just making a reference, but if the governmet dictates a peraons beliefs on politics and a way of life. Then that is not Personal Liberty

And if the persons belief is of a socialist view than that is their choice. Not the government and thats the point of personal liberty

You can believe whatever you want. What you must understand about NationStates, though, is that each region caters to a niche. Some regions accept people who like a certain thing in real life, and it might not even be a political thing. Some regions accept people who will help them wage war. Libertatem accepts people who defy communism, promote small government, and would like to see a freer market.

If you don't like our tendencies, go find a region that caters to your niche. Like the Federation Of Free States, for example...but of course you'd know all about that.

Im emplying the constitution needs to be ammended. That is awfully misleading for a constitution as was Mcarthy puting several on trial for beliefs. Also its sad you guys talk down the FFS, as they are larger, stronger, and more diverse without a lame one sided rmb. Also you just might be careful of who plays the ball game. Just because you fight your "war on communism" does not make you guys tough. For sakes you guys create region called the communist assylum and claim victory. Yet you are to preoccupied to realise who is the real power the FFS. Look at your government and the allies of the FFS. Your war is over.

Your crass statements show a fatal misunderstanding of precisely what Libertatem is. The FFS may be larger and more diverse, but only in the way Canada is to the US.

Libertatem was not created to be an ideological melting pot. It wasn't even created to be a democracy. It was originally structured as a business-like entity whose core purpose was fighting the War on Communism.

The Constitution allows leftist thought. It allows leftists to be a part of this region. But is it really that terrible to disallow Jew-hating fascists and socialists bent on the murder of the 'burgeous' from spreading their hate here? This is a measure not only to keep our 'business' free of radicals, but it's also a good way to keep us secure from spies.

The war is not over. It will never, ever be over, because you can neither kill the communist ideology nor the minarchist one. We may have suffered some setbacks recently, but we'll come back to form. Plenty of other once-active regions have suffered a lack of activity and even a large loss of nations during this summer. My original region used to have bristling RMB conversations that you had to comb through for whole minutes to get through. Now there's even less RMB activity than in this region. It used to have over 180 nations; now it's got 130.

And anyway, why should any of us listen to the same idiot who started throwing cuss words around just because someone else had a different opinion from yours?

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=254329 Vote Electiona Progressive Democracy Party! (I made that party) :P

Okay, Pevvania, i will move my puppet there soon, just tell me the region.

I voted for the National Liberal Party. And Australia, the puppet must be moved at the correct time as they are always watching for invaders. Once the UDL has got enough soldiers to help liberate Tampico, that will be the time to strike. When the time comes, I'll send you and everyone else involved a TG.

What's the UDL, and yes sir!

This is not the first time someone from a fellow capitalist region has attempted to encourage dissent by claiming our methods to be ineffective and authoritarian. Given my experience with these matters, though, it is now clear to me that nations that do this often work alone, as Flenzburg did - I have confirmation from the Chancellor of the FFS that his actions here were unsanctioned. His method of attacking and provoking us was petty and uncalled for, indeed, but there is a simple defense to this - knowledge.

As in the knowledge that our friend Flenzburg is actually Scheinfeld, an FFS resident who has long held a personal grudge against Libertatem that few other nations share. As in the knowledge that Flenzburg sent telegrams to residents we'd recently recruited encouraging them to leave Libertatem and move to the Federation of Free States (hence my previous remark). As in the knowledge that he sought a government position so that he could further destabilize us, and threw a "Libertatem isn't free" tantrum when he didn't get it. As in the knowledge that none of his actions were sanctioned by the FFS's government, and that he sought to provoke us without any reinforcements on our home turf - meaning, he was acting alone because no one was with him to tell him how stupid his plan was.

Our enemies do not lie solely in the communist regions, but I will tell you this right now - we must not let the enemies among our friends dissuade us from destroying the red menace. We are Libertatem. We are anti-communists. And we will be victorious.

Greetin's one, greetin's all. My name be Space Pirates, terror o' the Twelve Nebulas an' redistributor o' the corrupted greed an' wealth o' tyrants from Terra Nova to Antilles VII! We like grog, wenches, an' a warm meat pie.

This region be active enough fer our tastes.

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Yes, I'm last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome, Space Pirates. And Snoopy, I think I misunderstood your election. I voted for another party because I thought they were all you :( I apologise, and will change my vote using a different nation.

That's fine! You don't have to.

Hey, bud, I'm the only pirate round these parts. Just ask Corsairs Indifferent.

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