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Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:I've heard that the prices always go up.

Costs go up for every socialized system, the United States has such a bureaucratic and regulatory mess that prices go up a lot faster.

Because of the fact that demand for care always rises as population rises, doctors can raise the costs for care constantly because the supply of doctors is made artificially low (since they lobby the government to ensure that it's immensely difficult to become one.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism

The Aradites wrote:Costs go up for every socialized system, the United States has such a bureaucratic and regulatory mess that prices go up a lot faster.

Because of the fact that demand for care always rises as population rises, doctors can raise the costs for care constantly because the supply of doctors is made artificially low (since they lobby the government to ensure that it's immensely difficult to become one.

Was it socialised before Obama?

The deep state and bureaucracy are at war with the Trump Administration because he threatens their existence! If the Clintons, Bushes, RINOs, neocons, media, political and foreign policy establishment, intelligence agencies, and now the mega bureaucracy are all opposed to this guy, why are there still cucktarians like the ones over at Reason that are fighting this guy?

I say, we support him where he agrees with us, and oppose him where he doesn't, but really there's 10-30% of his policies at best that don't overlap with libertarianism. On regulation, education, one world government, taxes, healthcare, radical feminism, minimum wage, LGBT rights, nation-building and more Trump essentially takes the libertarian position.

Miencraft, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:The deep state and bureaucracy are at war with the Trump Administration because he threatens their existence!

I seriously hope this is their death spiral. It'll get a lot worse, and they're going to get a lot crazier, but sooner or later they'll be gone.

"Gone", of course, in the "nobody cares about them anymore" sense. Authoritarianism and totalitarianism will never disappear, but we really hit them hard.

Too bad the Republicans aren't willing to take their majority, run with it, and do what they were elected to do.

Pevvania, Narland

Miencraft wrote:I seriously hope this is their death spiral. It'll get a lot worse, and they're going to get a lot crazier, but sooner or later they'll be gone.

"Gone", of course, in the "nobody cares about them anymore" sense. Authoritarianism and totalitarianism will never disappear, but we really hit them hard.

Too bad the Republicans aren't willing to take their majority, run with it, and do what they were elected to do.

Well at least they've already repealed numerous regulations using the Congressional Review Act.

Miencraft, Narland

Pevvania wrote:The deep state and bureaucracy are at war with the Trump Administration because he threatens their existence! If the Clintons, Bushes, RINOs, neocons, media, political and foreign policy establishment, intelligence agencies, and now the mega bureaucracy are all opposed to this guy, why are there still cucktarians like the ones over at Reason that are fighting this guy?

Because the enemy of one's enemy is not necessarily one's friend.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:Was it socialised before Obama?

Not directly, but the HMO-driven system was caused by handouts and favorable regulations from Ted Kennedy (signed by the Nixon administration) to expand the insurance pools.

On Trump: definitely agreed with Pevvania that on balance, his agenda favors libertarian politics and American interests. There are certain areas where he seems to want to replace the vast bureaucratic apparatus with direct top-down control by the President though, and given his statements on issues like expanding NSA surveillance throughout his campaign he's shown he's far from a consistent ally. I think one area where we should be wary is the risk, if the obstruction by the Democrats which also impedes the positive side of his agenda abates, that he'll end up expanding the "imperial presidency."

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Republic Of Minerva

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Guys. I did it. I finally got the issue that completely abolishes all labor laws.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Guys. I did it. I finally got the issue that completely abolishes all labor laws.

You fool! Do you want to enslave the children!

Oh nevermind, the children are already enslaved into government indoctrination systems. Carry on then!

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

I've been meaning to do this for a while, since it was apart of one of my commitments as president, but here is the template for the new recruitment telegram:

Greetings %NATION%,

I am Republic Of Minerva, and I would like to formally invite you to join Libertatem!

Our namesake is derived from the accusative form of the Latin word libertas, meaning "liberty." True to our namesake, we uphold liberty as the value most important to us, and this reflects in our political institutions — we do not restrict people from the democratic process whatsoever, no do we censor anyone for their political beliefs or opinions.

Many regions in the game will tell you that they are democratic and love freedom, but are all too willing to eject or ban people based on minor differences of political opinion. Or that they are willing to tolerate diversity, so long as that diversity conforms to their politics. Not us. We'll welcome you whomever you are.

Because of our commitment to these values, we have:

* A large, friendly, and active community

* A regional government system that allows you to participate very quickly

* An active discord in which you can hang out and chill

* A privatized political party system, create your own or join an existing party

* An active military that is always seeking new participants

* Free and open debate without censorship, all opinions matter here

So what are you waiting for %NATION%? Join Libertatem today!

It is roughly based on the old one, except instead of the War on Totalitarianism (which is still a thing, I remind you), it is more focused on us being a small l-libertarian region without being discriminatory. Also, I took some subtle potshots on regions such as The Internationale for supposedly being tolerant of diversity and freedom when they really hate both. I also think it is better written.

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The Aradites, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

The CBO has scored the Obamacare repeal bill, and it's good news, folks. The bill is projected to have the following effects over the 2017-2026 period:

-Cut spending by $1.2 trillion

-Cut taxes by 0.9 trillion

-Reduce deficits by $337 billion

-Decrease premiums by 10%

-Stabilize the insurance marketplace

Bare in mind, though, that this is the same CBO that said 24 million more people would gain health insurance under the ACA by 2016. The real number turned out to be 13 million, almost half of their estimate. And most of the people projected to 'lose' their insurance under Trumpcare are actually people who've been forced to buy it under the mandate and will forgo insurance now that there's no financial penalty.

TL;DR: the AHCA is still looking good. Of course it would be better if the tax credits weren't refundable, but overall its pretty good.

Mick Mulvaney (Budget Director) and Tom Price (Department of Health) are my favourite cabinet members at the moment. Both very smart, well-spoken, free market guys.

I still think it is Obamacare lite. I would much prefer Rand Paul's version, but it is going to be shot down instantly.

This act could be the GoP's death sentence if it falls apart, or its lifesaver that reenergizes the Right in the US. We'll see.

Narland, Fairbankska

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Guys. I did it. I finally got the issue that completely abolishes all labor laws.

What's this issue's title? I might have seen it before and accidentally dismissed it.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I still think it is Obamacare lite. I would much prefer Rand Paul's version, but it is going to be shot down instantly.

This act could be the GoP's death sentence if it falls apart, or its lifesaver that reenergizes the Right in the US. We'll see.

Out of curiosity, why do you think it's Obamacare Lite?

Pevvania wrote:Out of curiosity, why do you think it's Obamacare Lite?

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/25571-rand-paul-gop-health-care-plan-is-obamacare-lite

Miencraft wrote:What's this issue's title? I might have seen it before and accidentally dismissed it.

No Vocation Without Remuneration (Issue No. 369) option three

Miencraft, Narland

ITS SNOWING YAY

The Ambassador To The Clfr, Fairbankska

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Pevvania wrote:Out of curiosity, why do you think it's Obamacare Lite?

There are some good ideas in it. Expansion of health savings accounts, putting Medicaid on a budget, eliminating the individual/employer mandate, blocking federal funding to abortion providers.

However, it:

- Tosses a large amount of subsidies at insurance companies for covering at-risk patients, mirroring the Nixonian HMO policies that got us in this mess and Obamacare's own insurer bailout for the mandates.

- Retains the requirement that people with preexisting conditions be covered, which is politically popular. The only way this works is with state-enforced high-risk pools, like the financial encouragement laid out above or Obamacare's own individual mandate.

- Contains an occasionally lauded "tax credit" plan, but the mechanism has yet to be laid out. Obamacare's "tax credits" were direct subsidies, so it needs clarification.

- Has no clear funding mechanism for all of this, which invariably means it'll be funded through deficit spending.

It's definitely better than Obamacare, but I vastly prefer Rand Paul's plan and think "Obamacare lite" is a pretty fair description. The best part of Paul's plan is generously focusing tax credits not on health insurance companies, but on low-income Americans not eligible for Medicaid. This is the only way to make insurance affordable for them, and is a market solution that pulls the leg out from under the Democrats' main argument against this bill.

As Senator Tom Cotton has pointed out, the lack of a funding mechanism in this bill also gives the Democrats a very easy excuse to block it, and the usually more cautious Senate (relative to the House) will be much more reticent to vote "yes" on it just based on that. It probably won't pass the Senate.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva

As long as the mandates are out, it is a great start.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva

'Obamacare Lite' is very misleading. But I was not aware that it keeps the Medicaid expansion and Cadillac tax. I still think the bill is a net positive, but of course it'd be much better if we can get Rand Paul's bill.

Senator Kirsten Gillibrands tweets about the Hearing Protection Act are completely laughable.

Why is it that people with little to no knowledge about a subject feel they should tell everyone else what they can do?

Oh thats right bureaucracy exist to ensure that bureaucracy grows...

Pevvania

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Senator Kirsten Gillibrands tweets about the Hearing Protection Act are completely laughable.

Why is it that people with little to no knowledge about a subject feel they should tell everyone else what they can do?

Oh thats right bureaucracy exist to ensure that bureaucracy grows...

I was about to ask if she actually realized how "silencers" work, and the fact that they actually only make the gunshot slightly quieter...

And then I realized none of these people even know the slightest thing about how anything actually works, especially guns.

Because guns are bad and people who have guns are bad.

And I also scrolled through some of the rest of her twitter.

I regret this decision immensely.

Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

"Seconds ago: Following new legislation in Miencraft, teenage male videogamers often suffer repetitive strain wrist injuries. "

Oh.

Yep.

Alrighty then.

Rateria, Condealism, Fairbankska

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Senator Kirsten Gillibrands tweets about the Hearing Protection Act are completely laughable.

Why is it that people with little to no knowledge about a subject feel they should tell everyone else what they can do?

Oh thats right bureaucracy exist to ensure that bureaucracy grows...

I've been pro-gun rights for years but honestly I've always gotten my mental image of silencers from films and video games. Either way, that's a horrible place to create policies from.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Silencers are absolutely nothing like the movies. xD The idea that they make guns totally silent is a weird invention of Hollywood spy movies, who are either referring to some kind of super-silencer that's not on the market or (more likely) was imagined up by people who have never actually used one.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

According to TVTropes, it's the first one actually. Not always the most credible source, but I found this interesting:

"'Real' Silencers as used by governmental agencies do indeed muffle the sound of a gunshot to the same degree as seen in films and television, but these are custom designed weapons rather than aftermarket add-ons. In addition, they're not exactly silent, sounding like a loud cough."

Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

All set Conde-pie. <3

Condealism

I am not well, and am very aggravated that I did not save my post before Nationstates failed to post what took almost 2 hours to compile because it did not like my proxy connection. So here are the references. Perhaps when I am feeling better I will try to reconstruct it.

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:I was referring to charities when I requested recourses btw, the ion engine was just an analogy.

Price Problems

https://www.amazon.com/Bottleneckers-Gaming-Government-Private-Profit/dp/1594039070/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489590550&sr=1-1

https://www.amazon.com/Fixing-Medical-Prices-Physicians-Paid/dp/0674545168/ref=pd_sim_14_5/166-4417594-3075510?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0674545168&pd_rd_r=YAHZGJ5D2VT6S63DV0FE&pd_rd_w=1jcp9&pd_rd_wg=AfA3n&psc=1&refRID=YAHZGJ5D2VT6S63DV0FE

As wonderfully as Medicine has improved Doctors are still a dangerous breed.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

How we got here.

http://www.garynorth.com/RockefellerMedicineMen.pdf

Page 192 Medicine and Government

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism_2.pdf

Very short summary of what was:

The good--there are still good doctors and sound practice out there in spite of statism. Medical knowledge has increased exponentially. Since WW2 (and Penicillin) Doctors now have a better cure rate than faith healers, and since the 70s better than folk medicine (veterinary meds and techniques) on humans. There are still doctors out there who focus on health, hygiene, nutrition, and medicine as a practice for prevention and cure.

The bad-- AMA is their own worst enemy, and creeping regulation and corporatism has caused many good doctors to leave. ACA was the last stray for many. We now have a healthcare system that is actually a sickcare maintenance system that is allowed to make a profit on the pain and suffering of others through insurance and pharmaceutical speculation.

The Ugly -- Medicine is still an inexact science with low threshold. Every human reacts differently (if slight) to the same medication. Instead of a high bar (such as 87.5% response) it only takes 50% +1 test subjects for it to be "medicine." many times in spite of very bad side effects. Doctors misdiagnoses are the 3rd leading cause of death.

Pevvania

And for some reason Americans cannot distinguish between healthcare access and healthcare insurance. Insurance does not guarantee access to a doctor. The rich will be able to afford the lawyers to sue a health insurer that rations the money to someone else that the poor will not be able to obtain. Mandatory insurance is wealth distribution with the extremes of the bell curve benefiting (very poor (except the indigent unless tagged and monitored) and very rich who make out like bandits) at the expense of the middle with inordinate diminishing returns.

Have a good day all.

On another note. This should be required reading:

https://www.amazon.com/Its-Racket-Snares-Swindles-separate-ebook/dp/B00MNUE6F0/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489581291&sr=1-5&keywords=Insurance+swindle

Miencraft

Miencraft wrote:...

And I also scrolled through some of the rest of her twitter.

I regret this decision immensely.

My deepest sympathy

Narland

Narland wrote:-snip-

Nice to see there's another health care policy wonk on here.

Low-energy loser John McCain says "The Senator from Kentucky [Rand Paul] is now working for Vladimir Putin."

This guy is as tired and senile as Nancy Pelosi.

Republic Of Minerva, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Condealism

That 4chan prank on the Shia Labeouf live stream has got to be the greatest prank of all time

Pevvania, Narland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:That 4chan prank on the Shia Labeouf live stream has got to be the greatest prank of all time

They meticulously calculated the location of the flag based on overhead flight patterns, star maps, and ambient sounds, sending actual people to Tennessee to honk their car horns for miles until they could hear it in the live stream, then breaking into a movie star's property... Just to tear down the flag and replace it with a MAGA hat, in the name of Trump and Pepe.

Genius.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:then breaking into a movie star's property... Just to tear down the flag and replace it with a MAGA hat, in the name of Trump and Pepe.

Genius.

In Tennessee? Did they do this yet and have they started counting bodies yet?

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Pevvania wrote:Nice to see there's another health care policy wonk on here.

There was a more polished piece that NationStates refused and because I did not save, it was lost when it rejected my proxy connection. Some of the links survived, and books like Legalizing Capitalism are a very good read. https://mises.org/sites/default/files/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism_2.pdf

However, I am as wonky as I will ever be for the only health care policy that matters to be that between a free and responsible adult in a free and open society in voluntary mutual contractual agreement free from fraud, graft, and coercion from outside parties abrogating his own self-interest (in this case the health and well-being of his person in private and confidential concourse with a person or party having the capacity to practice satisfactorily) whether those outside parties be clown troupes, trade syndicates, professional associations, bevies of bureaucrats, conglomerations of corporatists, or andragogues of idealists.

;)

Pevvania wrote:They meticulously calculated the location of the flag based on overhead flight patterns, star maps, and ambient sounds, sending actual people to Tennessee to honk their car horns for miles until they could hear it in the live stream, then breaking into a movie star's property... Just to tear down the flag and replace it with a MAGA hat, in the name of Trump and Pepe.

Genius.

I just saw it. Only /pol/ would take the time to do something like this.

https://youtu.be/vw9zyxm860Q

Pevvania

Trump's budget proposal has been released!

Republic Of Minerva

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Post self-deleted by Fairbankska.

Pevvania wrote:Low-energy loser John McCain says "The Senator from Kentucky [Rand Paul] is now working for Vladimir Putin."

This guy is as tired and senile as Nancy Pelosi.

Definitely a deranged, ultra-hyperbolic statement. Although I disagree with Rand Paul on Montenegrin membership in NATO. If their authorities and Serbia's are right, the assassination attempt on Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic was a Russian operation. That the men accused of fomenting it mysteriously "disappeared" on returning to Russia seems to lend credence to that.

Between this and their open support in NATO member Hungary for Jobbik, a party that goes beyond traditional democratic processes by including a paramilitary wing, they're clearly getting bolder. A firm demonstration that this is unacceptable, that the West will not allow their interference and America will defend her allies, seems like a good idea to me so long as Montenegro follows through on their expressed commitment to meet their own defense obligations. The problem with NATO is not the idea of pooling resources for mutual defense, it definitely isn't (as certain naive libertarians would have us believe) the idea that there exist foreign threats who will take advantage of weakness. The problem is financial, member states choosing to spend money on their bloated bureaucracies rather than footing their part of the bill and leaving the US to pick up everyone's.

The United States Of Patriots wrote:That 4chan prank on the Shia Labeouf live stream has got to be the greatest prank of all time
Pevvania wrote:They meticulously calculated the location of the flag based on overhead flight patterns, star maps, and ambient sounds, sending actual people to Tennessee to honk their car horns for miles until they could hear it in the live stream, then breaking into a movie star's property... Just to tear down the flag and replace it with a MAGA hat, in the name of Trump and Pepe.

Genius.

Of course vandalism is ok, but it must be right wing. Left wing vandalism is bad and evil!!! And paid for by George Soros!!!

You Conservatives are funny

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:Of course vandalism is ok, but it must be right wing. Left wing vandalism is bad and evil!!! And paid for by George Soros!!!

You Conservatives are funny

When did we ever imply that it was 'ok'? And there's quite a difference between pulling down a flag in the middle of nowhere and burning down city blocks, destroying property, assaulting people who disagree and pepper spraying old people.

And lol at an "anarchist" coming out of The Communist Bloc

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:Of course vandalism is ok, but it must be right wing. Left wing vandalism is bad and evil!!! And paid for by George Soros!!!

You Conservatives are funny

Bruh its a prank. Of course if the people are caught they should be tried to the full extent of the law. We are after all a nation of laws, not men.

But we can still recognize that it's funny. At least it's a lot funner than Shia LaBeouf physically assaulting people he disagrees with.

And as far as pranks go this was pretty tame. Incredible, but tame.

Nothing like say the vandalism at UC Berkley in which people where actually hospitalized.

Pretending that putting a Pepe flag and a MAGA hat on a flag pole is the same as, say...

Setting fire to public property,

Breaking in windows(on both public and private property),

And physically attacking those who you disagree with.

Is patently INSAIN.

You Leftist sure are funny (and violent).

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Fairbankska

What's sad is that libertarians and conservatives, generally speaking, do not hold opposing views against the people that hold them. I and many others in this region personally love and are friends with many on the centre-left. Outside of my family, many of my friends are liberals and feminists, and I've even dated a few of them. It's easy to be loving and tolerant if you're a normal human being.

Only on the far-left do you see people actively hating conservatives and libertarians. It's not enough to 'agree to disagree' for the snowflake community. Now, because leftists have awful indefensible ideas, they know they can't win debates anymore. So they've resorted to alienation, ostracisation, bullying, and even physical violence at the extreme. Their ideas are so bad, that they can only exist in protected echo chambers and safe spaces!

Crap like this is why Trump won, why he'll win in 2020, why Mike Pence and Ivanka will win after that, and why Barron will win in 2040!

Miencraft, Narland, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:It's easy to be loving and tolerant if you're a normal human being.

Evidently it isn't easy enough for some folks.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Fairbankska

3rd most pro-market country in Libertatem. Mum I made it

Rateria, Condealism

Saw something funny in the Facebook comments section today. "Jews, Muslims and Christians coexisted in peace in the Middle East for thousands of years." No they didn't. Islamic empires essentially said 'get out or we'll kill you', leaving only the people who didn't speak out in the minority. Now the Israelis - who have every right to be bitter, but aren't - let Muslims worship freely, and give Palestinians food, water and electricity. What do they do in response? Bomb and kill Jews. Sad!

Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:3rd most pro-market country in Libertatem. Mum I made it

Why am I tenth.

What is this.

What am I doing wrong.

Pevvania wrote:3rd most pro-market country in Libertatem. Mum I made it

Miencraft wrote:Why am I tenth.

What is this.

What am I doing wrong.

I'm 32nd for most pro-market.

"I was wrong. I messed up, and now you're gone!"

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:Of course vandalism is ok, but it must be right wing. Left wing vandalism is bad and evil!!! And paid for by George Soros!!!

You Conservatives are funny

Establishing a state and calling it anarchy is pretty funny too.

#leftytactics

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism

Muh Roads wrote:Establishing a state and calling it anarchy is pretty funny too.

#leftytactics

Inb4 "it's not a state it's a government. State and government are two different things!!!"

Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:Saw something funny in the Facebook comments section today. "Jews, Muslims and Christians coexisted in peace in the Middle East for thousands of years." No they didn't. Islamic empires essentially said 'get out or we'll kill you', leaving only the people who didn't speak out in the minority. Now the Israelis - who have every right to be bitter, but aren't - let Muslims worship freely, and give Palestinians food, water and electricity. What do they do in response? Bomb and kill Jews. Sad!
No, Israel is NOT giving them food or water. They are ENSLAVING Palestinians. The UN practacly created Israel from nothing, and The Israeli government with the aid of the UN came in and kicked out the Palestinians, leaving them without a place to live.And no, this doesn't justify what Hamas and terrorists are doing, what they are doing is wrong. But I too would be mad as hell I if I were kicked off my land. In The end, religion is garbage anyways

Pevvania wrote:Inb4 "it's not a state it's a government. State and government are two different things!!!"

If you actually studies leftist ideology you would realize that little to no actual anarchists make that claim. Many anarchist philosophers and activists have criticised government, even using the word "government" not "state"

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*grabs an industrial-size bag of popcorn and a large funnel*

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:Saw something funny in the Facebook comments section today. "Jews, Muslims and Christians coexisted in peace in the Middle East for thousands of years." No they didn't. Islamic empires essentially said 'get out or we'll kill you', leaving only the people who didn't speak out in the minority.

They did actually coexist in the one example Islamophiles love to bring up, the Abbasid Caliphate. Which was ruled by fairly secular Muslims, whose specific fiqh (school of jurisprudence) was an Aristotelian almost proto-Thomism.

Pevvania wrote:Now the Israelis - who have every right to be bitter, but aren't - let Muslims worship freely, and give Palestinians food, water and electricity. What do they do in response? Bomb and kill Jews. Sad!

Ayup.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:No, Israel is NOT giving them food or water. They are ENSLAVING Palestinians.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:The UN practacly created Israel from nothing, and The Israeli government with the aid of the UN came in and kicked out the Palestinians, leaving them without a place to live.

There was room for both to live in the mandate, but the Palestinians and surrounding Arab powers immediately responded by declaring war.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism

Miencraft wrote:Why am I tenth.

What is this.

What am I doing wrong.

Not enough shrines to me tbh.

Post self-deleted by Evil Genius Land.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:They are ENSLAVING
BUZZ WORD WE GOT A BUZZ WORD THAT MEANS THE SNOW FLAKE IS MAD I'm gonna go poke him with a stick

Pevvania, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

war is peace

ignorance is strength

work is slavery

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

Muh Roads wrote:Not enough shrines to mhomen tbh.

Libertatem marches on

Condealism wrote:*grabs an industrial-size bag of popcorn and a large funnel*

*Sits down next to Condealism*

Could you please pass the butter?

Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Condealism wrote:Libertatem marches on

Who the hell marches on

Pevvania, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Condealism

Muh Roads wrote:Who the hell marches on

Who the hell what the hells to where the hell?

Rateria, Condealism

When the ancoms talk about the local council:

ANARCHO-NOT-STATE-GOVERNMENT

Rateria, Condealism

>when you live in quebec

>the provincial parties are all commies

>ones a pro-canada jerk off

>ones a commie french jerk off

>the ok one is moderately rightwing

>one is literally french bernie sanders

>have to deal with French language laws that dominate politics

>one virtue though

>i get to kek at the progressive implosion because it's the lefties who support laws that oppress minorities

Pevvania, Rateria, Fairbankska

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:The Israeli government with the aid of the UN came in and kicked out the Palestinians, leaving them without a place to live.

Except Israel has demonstrated time and time again that they're willing to peacefully coexist with the Palestinians, if only everyone acknowledges the right of Israel to exist.

And the Palestinians have demonstrated time and time again that they'd rather see Israel wiped from the face of the Earth than acknowledge that Israel has the right to exist peacefully.

I really don't know where you think the Palestinians have been kicked out of, but I think you may want to rethink who the good guys are in this.

Condealism, Fairbankska

The Aradites wrote:When the ancoms talk about the local council:

ANARCHO-NOT-STATE-GOVERNMENT

THAT IS COUNCIL COMMUNISM, NOT ANARCHISM

I DON'T VELIEVE IN A "COUNCIL"

Republic Of Minerva wrote:war is peace

ignorance is strength

work is slavery

Who the hell said work is slavery?????? I didn't say anything remotely close to that

Evil Genius Land wrote:

BUZZ WORD WE GOT A BUZZ WORD THAT MEANS THE SNOW FLAKE IS MAD I'm gonna go poke him with a stick

I AM NOT AN SJW

SJW's can rot in a garbage can

I CAN WRITE IN ALL CAPS TOO

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Shirayuki Mizore

Muh Roads wrote:Who the hell marches on

I love how some random nation who hasn't been active in 2 years still holds such an influence over this region's culture.

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism

Mr. 'Anarchist' Refuge, I am currently getting lean and making gains, but when I return home I shall respond to your logical fallacy-riddled statements.

Condealism

Pevvania wrote:I love how some random nation who hasn't been active in 2 years still holds such an influence over this region's culture.

His is the meme that will pierce the heavens!

Miencraft, Rateria

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:THAT IS COUNCIL COMMUNISM, NOT ANARCHISM

I DON'T VELIEVE IN A "COUNCIL"

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:Who the hell said work is slavery?????? I didn't say anything remotely close to that

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:I AM NOT AN SJW

SJW's can rot in a garbage can

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Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

RIP Humpheria. D:

Miencraft, Narland, Condealism

Shirayuki Mizore wrote:RIP Humpheria. D:

I just looked. I saw it too. I knew he was relatively inactive, but didn't fully expect him to CTE. I keep tabs on his puppet, but that one hasn't been active in sixteen days.

Miencraft, Condealism

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:No, Israel is NOT giving them food or water.

Then you haven't done a lot of research.

http://www.aish.com/jw/me/Israels-Support-of-the-Palestinian-Economy.html

Israel gives enormous amounts of support to the 'Palestinian' economy, including

-Supply of water and food

-Work permits to the unemployed

-Bailouts for the PLA when they've had financial difficulties

-Electricity

-A whole lot of other things meant to improve life for Palestinians.

Again: Israel gives Palestinians a heck of a lot, and they get terror attacks in response.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:They are ENSLAVING Palestinians.

Classic Marxist hyperbole. Slavery is involuntary servitude. Palestinians are not indentured to Israel or Israelis in any way. They've had multiple chances at forming their own state, which really doesn't make sense since historically they belong in Jordan, but have thrown away all of their chances each time. A Palestinian state would be awful anyway, since most Palestinians and their leaders are horrible Islamists.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:The UN practacly created Israel from nothing, and The Israeli government with the aid of the UN came in and kicked out the Palestinians, leaving them without a place to live.

Anti-semitic lies. Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews, going back thousands of years. In truth, the Jews were forced out of these lands, not the other way around! A raft of Islamic empires came into Israel and essentially cleansed it of Jews by forcing them into Europe. When Europe became hostile to their being their in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries, they began migrating in droves back to Palestine. Was anyone kicked off of their land? No. You seem to be in willful ignorance, because Wikipedia pretty accurately summarises the start of the conflict:

"The Plan was accepted by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, despite its perceived limitations. Arab leaders and governments rejected it and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division, arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny. Immediately after adoption of the Resolution by the General Assembly, a civil war broke out and the plan was not implemented."

So essentially, the Zionists wanted peaceful coexistence, and the Islamists preferred war and bloodshed to peace. The Israelis are the good guys, the Palestinians are the bad guys, end of story!

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:And no, this doesn't justify what Hamas and terrorists are doing, what they are doing is wrong. But I too would be mad as hell I if I were kicked off my land.

I'm glad that you condemn the violence, but it wasn't their land in the first place.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:In The end, religion is garbage anyways

No. That's a sweeping a statement as 'politics is garbage'. Multiple religions have made numerous contributions to humanity, including Judaism.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:If you actually studies leftist ideology you would realize that little to no actual anarchists make that claim. Many anarchist philosophers and activists have criticised government, even using the word "government" not "state"

The bulk of "anarcho"-communists I've seen on the internet are virulent opponents of the market and self-ownership. They do not seek to abolish the state; rather, they seek to reinvent it.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism

Pevvania wrote:The bulk of "anarcho"-communists I've seen on the internet are virulent opponents of the market and self-ownership. They do not seek to abolish the state; rather, they seek to reinvent it.

People like Peter Kropotkin's and Emma Goldman have criticized 'government" as well as stated. Kropotkin's is his book THE CONQUEST OF BREAD has defined Anarchist communism as "communism without government"

Literally zero anarcho communists I know use the "ANRCHY ISNT WITHOUT A GUBWRMINT!!1!" definition and if they have, they are morons who have no idea what they're talking g about.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:I AM NOT AN SJW

SJW's can rot in a garbage can

He said "SNOWFLAKE" not SJW, you are most defiantly a snowflake

Miencraft wrote:Number of consecutive posts: 3

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*mic drop*

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:...

Literally zero anarcho communists I know use the "ANRCHY ISNT WITHOUT A GUBWRMINT!!1!" definition and if they have, they are morons who have no idea what they're talking g about.

"No true Scotsman...."

No trews Scotsman goes commando unless opting for the kilt...

My list of things to never wish on anybody has increased:

Strep infection in the inner ears. Too much pain too think, not enough pain to escape reason. It will go third on the list after a metal shard under the kneecap and being trampled unconscious by clydesdales.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

...ouch. Get well soon, you'll be in my prayers. :(

Narland, Kumquat Cove, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:People like Peter Kropotkin's and Emma Goldman have criticized 'government" as well as stated. Kropotkin's is his book THE CONQUEST OF BREAD has defined Anarchist communism as "communism without government"

Literally zero anarcho communists I know use the "ANRCHY ISNT WITHOUT A GUBWRMINT!!1!" definition and if they have, they are morons who have no idea what they're talking g about.

Y'know, it's no fun if you're not actually going to present a real argument.

Put down your fallacies, take some time to put your position together, and come back when you're ready to have a real debate. It'll be nice.

Pevvania, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:The bulk of "anarcho"-communists I've seen on the internet are virulent opponents of the market and self-ownership. They do not seek to abolish the state; rather, they seek to reinvent it.

Left anarchists define anarchism as without hierarchy, but there can still be a governing body which is where the difference between left and right anarchism is if my understanding is correct.

Narland wrote:No trews Scotsman goes commando unless opting for the kilt...

My list of things to never wish on anybody has increased:

Strep infection in the inner ears. Too much pain too think, not enough pain to escape reason. It will go third on the list after a metal shard under the kneecap and being trampled unconscious by clydesdales.

Sounds absolutely painful. I hope you recover soon.

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:Left anarchists define anarchism as without hierarchy, but there can still be a governing body which is where the difference between left and right anarchism is if my understanding is correct.

Anarchists threatening to call police on people pushing back during their protests crack me up.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Shirayuki Mizore

Despite spending almost 500 stamps we've had a 0 conversion rate, which is disappointing. I might switch to new nations after all.

The Anarchist Refuge wrote:THE CONQUEST OF BREAD

I'm rewriting this book ancap style.. Gonna name it THE CONQUEST OF ROADS. Yeah, that'll work.

Pevvania, Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Despite spending almost 500 stamps we've had a 0 conversion rate, which is disappointing. I might switch to new nations after all.

Who were you attempting to recruit?

Rateria wrote:Who were you attempting to recruit?

People exclusively from the region The Communist Bloc

/s

Condealism

Who would you rather - Amy Schumer or a barnyard pig?

Pevvania wrote:Who would you rather - Amy Schumer or a barnyard pig?

Is 'just kill me' an option?

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:People exclusively from the region The Communist Bloc

/s

Why would you attempt that? Sabotage?

Pevvania wrote:Who would you rather - Amy Schumer or a barnyard pig?

Why so edgy today?

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