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It's not free. It works by stealing money from every individual, regardless if they have consented to it.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:It's not free. It works by stealing money from every individual, regardless if they have consented to it.

its still free healthcare, has anyone ever told you your a real wet blanket.

It's not free. You are taxed.

Hermesgrad wrote:i really do enjoy my free healthcare, hbu?

I do not. It's of a mediocre standard, I have to give up a tenth of my earnings for it and I feel guilty every time I use it because I know that I'm effectively stealing from everyone else to access it. The NHS should be speedily turned into a welfare program for the poor only, before a gradual phase-out.

The Amarican Empire wrote:It's not free. You are taxed.

Taxed enormously. National insurance is like 9 or 10%.

Pevvania wrote:gais, healthcare should be free

Just like college and housing

Pevvania wrote:I do not. It's of a mediocre standard, I have to give up a tenth of my earnings for it and I feel guilty every time I use it because I know that I'm effectively stealing from everyone else to access it. The NHS should be speedily turned into a welfare program for the poor only, before a gradual phase-out.

well thats not really fair, why should the richer pay just because they have worked harder.

Lack There Of wrote:Just like college and housing

Wrong. Even though government spending has inflated the cost of those things enormously, it's all capitalism's fault and spending even more would solve the problem, or something.

Hermesgrad wrote:well thats not really fair, why should the richer pay just because they have worked harder.

Why should 10% of my earnings go to pay for something I don't want that I could much cheaper? What's unfair is that I'm robbed when I don't need to be. A 2% payroll tax to cover those who truly can't afford healthcare would be much more reasonable.

Pevvania wrote:Why should 10% of my earnings go to pay for something I don't want that I could much cheaper? What's unfair is that I'm robbed when I don't need to be. A 2% payroll tax to cover those who truly can't afford healthcare would be much more reasonable.

its just unfair, why should the poor get all the benefits and the richer dont get any, its just creating a class division.

Hermesgrad wrote:its just unfair, why should the poor get all the benefits and the richer dont get any, its just creating a class division.

That's an argument I haven't heard before. It really boils down to this: income earners can afford to pay for healthcare. Poor people cannot. We shouldn't even have an NHS, so turning it into a low-income insurance program would be more than reasonable.

Why did the UCR reject our embassy?

Humpheria wrote:Why did the UCR reject our embassy?

They've been tagged by the Black Riders.

Pevvania wrote:They've been tagged by the Black Riders.

they where a bit of a mess anyway.

Pevvania wrote:That's an argument I haven't heard before. It really boils down to this: income earners can afford to pay for healthcare. Poor people cannot. We shouldn't even have an NHS, so turning it into a low-income insurance program would be more than reasonable.

maybe you should do it for education too and emergency services, you can have the private class and the public class

Pevvania wrote:They've been tagged by the Black Riders.

Eheh

How about instead of just giving it to the poor. Have the government cover less of a percentage of the bill over time.

Hello, Libertatem. The New Sea Territory has deployed the First NST Anarchist Interregional Division to serve as a guard and communicator between Libertatem and NST.

In other words, I've put a puppet here to keep an eye on you :P

Hermesgrad wrote:they where a bit of a mess anyway.

We are undergoing a government change...

Well I see that you're speaking about healthcare, and Switzerland is a good example of a efficient privatized system. There are dozens of health insurance companies who fight to gain customers. This year, the average monthly price is about 440$ to get insured, while the average monthly income is nearly 7000$. For that price you have a very good quality of service, and if you are still not satisfied, it's always possible to search for a cheaper insurer.

Considering that the average lifespan and the standard of living are among the bests in the world, that's a good system.

But of course, some leftists ( Swiss Socialists ) have launched a referendum to create an unique statist insurance, with the same price for everybody ( for the junkies who are too lazy to look for the cheapest insurance ).

Well, that's a congenital ill with the leftists to f*ck everything's working...

The Amarican Empire wrote:How about instead of just giving it to the poor. Have the government cover less of a percentage of the bill over time.

Howsabout the state ceases to exist? :p

The very existence of the state is contrary to laissez-faire capitalism.

Whatcha got against the state?

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:

Well, that's a congenital ill with the leftists to f*ck everything's working...

I would like to point out that, as a "leftist" in some sense of the word, the "Swiss Socialists" are likely hypocritical fools who believe in state controlled markets (Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Vanguardists, etc). They disregard the vary basis of socialism: worker self-management.

The state is fundamental in securing private property rights.

Minarchy is the only moral position.

Kravanica wrote:Whatcha got against the state?

" Kravanica's national animal is the CREDIT, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the eagle. "

LOL, you'd better fix that.

Kravanica wrote:Whatcha got against the state?

Aside from corruption, theft, tyranny, forcefulness, and imposition? Not much, really.

Kravanica wrote:Whatcha got against the state?

The state, along with being a monopoly on the initiation of force, is a monopoly on a sh!t-ton of other things, such as roads, defense, arbitration, in some cases healthcare, education (considering private schools are pretty regulated outside of their religious teachings), etc. Not to mention is has systemized tribal warfare and facilitated the rise of horrors like fascism, crony capitalism, imperialism, and Vanguardist Communism.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The state is fundamental in securing private property rights.

Minarchy is the only moral position.

Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahaha. States....property rights...whew....awesome.

Tell me one state that protects property rights?...and this still doesn't get you off the hook for the fact that the state has a monopoly on the initiation of force.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:I would like to point out that, as a "leftist" in some sense of the word, the "Swiss Socialists" are likely hypocritical fools who believe in state controlled markets (Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Vanguardists, etc). They disregard the vary basis of socialism: worker self-management.

That's true, but today nothing prevents you from becoming a self managed worker. So that is an already won fight.

Other subject, is someone interested by stocks here ?

I know it's not the best moment to buy but my savings interest rates are so lowwwww

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:That's true, but today nothing prevents you from becoming a self managed worker. So that is an already won fight.

....not true. In America, the current corporate giants that are in bed with the state will destroy any competition, worker managed or not. The fight is not won until the state dissolves. To quote....*barfs in mouth*...Joseph Stalin: "Not One Step Back".

In a voluntary society, worker self-management would be allowed if voluntary, and would likely exist within syndicates, collectives and communes.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Well I see that you're speaking about healthcare, and Switzerland is a good example of a efficient privatized system. There are dozens of health insurance companies who fight to gain customers. This year, the average monthly price is about 440$ to get insured, while the average monthly income is nearly 7000$. For that price you have a very good quality of service, and if you are still not satisfied, it's always possible to search for a cheaper insurer.

Considering that the average lifespan and the standard of living are among the bests in the world, that's a good system.

But of course, some leftists ( Swiss Socialists ) have launched a referendum to create an unique statist insurance, with the same price for everybody ( for the junkies who are too lazy to look for the cheapest insurance ).

Well, that's a congenital ill with the leftists to f*ck everything's working...

Dis. The Swiss have a kickass healthcare system. Their reliance on direct democracy and referendums has served them quite well over the years, but it's still vulnerable to bring hijacked by statists. I don't know why anyone would want to change a system there that's working so well.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:I would like to point out that, as a "leftist" in some sense of the word, the "Swiss Socialists" are likely hypocritical fools who believe in state controlled markets (Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Vanguardists, etc). They disregard the vary basis of socialism: worker self-management.

I'm a little uncomfortable with that concept. I'm completely cool with it being done on a voluntary level, but it's often used as a philosophical excuse to dissolve property rights. Cooperative socialism also puts individual employees at the mercy of their coworkers.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Other subject, is someone interested by stocks here ?

I know it's not the best moment to buy but my savings interest rates are so lowwwww

If I were you I'd be putting money in Iceland, which I'll be doing later this year. It's the most stable high-interest rate economy. Their rates have been at a stable 8-10% for several years.

Pevvania wrote:

I'm a little uncomfortable with that concept. I'm completely cool with it being done on a voluntary level, but it's often used as a philosophical excuse to dissolve property rights. Cooperative socialism also puts individual employees at the mercy of their coworkers.

It isn't used to dissolve property rights. No modern day socialist government even talks about WSM. It's becomes strictly a libertarian socialist phenomenon, despited being the very basis and foundation of early socialism.

You can own whatever you want, except a means of production. So now we are getting to what are called private property rights :p Either way, both capitalism and socialism can coexist in a voluntary society.

...versus being at the mercy of the boss, the state or the curb they'll sit on without a job.

Hey guys, I haven't been very active in the last few days because of some serious real life stuff, but I should be more available next week.

NSG Senate is planning on doing a reboot, and making it more of a UN Assembly.

Which nation would be better for me to play RP wise?:

Quebec

Crimea

Hungarian Empire

Yugoslavia

You seem more of a Crimea person.

Man Ci is in like every Democratic Government in Nationstates.

Pevvania wrote:Hmmm, I don't think I've tried it before. But I know one thing - reheating it takes out half the taste.

Try it Pev, and eat it on the toilet with sweet tea. It's so damn 'Merican.

Miencraft wrote:I love cold KFC.

Tastes just like freshly-bought.

Mostly. Just a bit colder.

Still goddamn delicious.

Mien, we might be de facto married due to humpy, but we're getting married again.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Man Ci is in like every Democratic Government in Nationstates.

#verticalintegration

Can I just say, I absolutely adore today's Census. I am saddened greatly that I am not number one.

SECOND!! LETS GO!! (Civil rights indeed)

The [B]Humpheria 2014*[/B] Campaign is taking a hiatus until at least Sunday. No campaign activities will take place until then.

So um. Bad news. TTA will not be on for 2-3 months.

Baphometus wrote:So um. Bad news. TTA will not be on for 2-3 months.

:(

Baphometus wrote:So um. Bad news. TTA will not be on for 2-3 months.

Did he say why?

Humpheria wrote:Did he say why?

The Humpheria 2014* campaign kidnapped him.

Ill be the person who runs for president and others wonder why as I oppose most of Humphs platform. Vote Northern Prussia for President.

Sponsored by the Libertarian Imperialist Party and the crazy old drunk on Maple Avenue.

Northern Prussia wrote:Ill be the person who runs for president and others wonder why as I oppose most of Humphs platform. Vote Northern Prussia for President.

Sponsored by the Libertarian Imperialist Party and the crazy old drunk on Maple Avenue.

Congratulations. You get a few days head start. I have a funeral. But, when I get back we can get ready for the debate ten days from now.

Northern Prussia wrote:Ill be the person who runs for president and others wonder why as I oppose most of Humphs platform. Vote Northern Prussia for President.

Sponsored by the Libertarian Imperialist Party and the crazy old drunk on Maple Avenue.

Good for you.

I can make you a poster if you'd like.

Humpheria wrote:Did he say why?

His parents found the gay stuff and horse stuff and he told them it was someone else and they are trying to protect him from people like that.

Baphometus wrote:His parents found the gay stuff and horse stuff and he told them it was someone else and they are trying to protect him from people like that.

*suppresses sobbing laughter*

They won't let him talk about his sexual life? What do his parents think we are a bunch of 41 year old predators or something?

No, they are fascist Mormon idiots.

Baphometus wrote:No, they are fascist Mormon idiots.

That makes sense.

The Amarican Empire wrote:They won't let him talk about his sexual life? What do his parents think we are a bunch of 41 year old predators or something?

*whistles and walks away*

Baphometus wrote:His parents found the gay stuff and horse stuff and he told them it was someone else and they are trying to protect him from people like that.

Oh, they're those kind of people.

Well, I'm not one to talk; I found his public announcement of his orientation disturbing at first...

Miencraft wrote:Good for you.

I can make you a poster if you'd like.

Thats sounds great

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:NSG Senate is planning on doing a reboot, and making it more of a UN Assembly.

Which nation would be better for me to play RP wise?:

Quebec

Crimea

Hungarian Empire

Yugoslavia

Baphometus wrote:His parents found the gay stuff and horse stuff and he told them it was someone else and they are trying to protect him from people like that.

They just now noticed?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:What, no Cascadia?

Cascadia has already been taken :( If it wasn't, I would've added it.

Northern Prussia wrote:Ill be the person who runs for president and others wonder why as I oppose most of Humphs platform. Vote Northern Prussia for President.

Sponsored by the Libertarian Imperialist Party and the crazy old drunk on Maple Avenue.

Presidential elections? Hm....

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Cascadia has already been taken :( If it wasn't, I would've added it.

Damn.

Hungarian Empire sounds like a unique experience.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:Presidential elections? Hm....

Didn't I send you a telegram a few weeks back?

Humpheria wrote:Didn't I send you a telegram a few weeks back?

That you did. I had forgotten.

Nst Anarchist Interregional 1St Division wrote:That you did. I had forgotten.

Ah. Well, yeah. There is an election happening, due to start around the 20th. Northern Prussia is running under the Libertarian Imperialist Party. I am running as an Independent. But, due to a death in the family, I will not be campaigning for another three days.

Neither will I. I have school and marineb pt so.. we will compete on even ends.

Northern Prussia wrote:Neither will I. I have school and marineb pt so.. we will compete on even ends.

Oh yeah, did you get deployed or sent to PT, I can't remember.

Humpheria wrote:Ah. Well, yeah. There is an election happening, due to start around the 20th. Northern Prussia is running under the Libertarian Imperialist Party. I am running as an Independent. But, due to a death in the family, I will not be campaigning for another three days.

Oh really. [I]running?[/I] what happened to walking briskly? Or was that just a false promise? ;P

Muh Roads wrote:Oh really. [I]running?[/I] what happened to walking briskly? Or was that just a false promise? ;P

I got a lot on my mind. Sue me.

Humpheria wrote:I got a lot on my mind. Sue me.

You got it, Ankha! I want to bring Humpy to court!

Humpheria wrote:I got a lot on my mind. Sue me.

Okay. Your name is Sue now.

As long as it can wait until Monday, I'm good.

Humpheria wrote:As long as it can wait until Monday, I'm good.

I dunno. Defamation of self is a pretty serious hate crime.. :p

Humpheria wrote:As long as it can wait until Monday, I'm good.

Alrighty then, Sue.

Muh Roads wrote:I dunno. Defamation of self is a pretty serious hate crime.. :p

An immediate family member's funeral is also a pretty important event.. :p

Humpheria wrote:An immediate family member's funeral is also a pretty important event.. :p

Not to put you on the spot or anything.

Muh Roads wrote:I dunno. Defamation of self is a pretty serious hate crime.. :p

Punishable by lethal injection then hanging. Then we throw cheese at you until you die.....

According to my lawbook *alters laws* you have the right to creul and unusual punishment.....

Ankha wrote:Punishable by lethal injection then hanging. Then we throw cheese at you until you die.....

According to my lawbook *alters laws* you have the right to creul and unusual punishment.....

cruel*

Humpheria wrote:cruel*

Ya. That.

Morning Limey.

I really love living in an industrialized and civilized society, but I f**king hate waiting for trains to go by while driving.

Pevvania wrote:Good afternoon, Libertatem.

afternoon

Pevvania wrote:Good afternoon, Libertatem.

Damn silly Easterners with your damn hours and time that isn't the same as ours.

Lack There Of wrote:I really love living in an industrialized and civilized society, but I f**king hate waiting for trains to go by while driving.

Just hit the 30 min mark.

Miencraft wrote:Damn silly Easterners with your damn hours and time that isn't the same as ours.

we are the great GMTers with the vastly superior +/-0 time zone.

Lack There Of wrote:Just hit the 30 min mark.

Stop impeding on their right to be in your way!

Pevvania wrote:Good afternoon, Libertatem.

Pev, checkout Being oblivious on FB.

What would we do without muh roads?

Heheheheh.

Artistic License.

Fun fact: if VY Canis Majoris and Betelgeuse were to be close enough together in a binary star system, each star's gravity would pull the other star, propelling the system indefinitely through space.

I'm back. I should be on until tomorrow. I have plans.

Humpheria wrote:I'm back. I should be on until tomorrow. I have plans.

*deepens voice* Where are those transmissions you intercepted? What have you done with those plans?

Humpheria wrote:I'm back. I should be on until tomorrow. I have plans.

Buys a gun and hides*

I have real life plans that prevent me from being on tomorrow, is what I meant.

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