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Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Forgive me for interjecting and though I may not be the sitting AG so it is not my job to interpret and I'm sure Yrellian will put it in your favor, but the precedent was established by decree of the Founder that a flag change would be treated as a Constitutional amendment and those processes must be followed.

If I am not mistaken, no mention of a referendum exists in ours laws, I'll check.

You're correct - you won't find a mention of referendum in our laws. Hence implicit rather than explicit.

Note that Article 7, Section 7, does give the people of Libertatem a right to form and keep any government they so choose; this would logically include an alternative legislative process like the referendum just conducted. The same section also notes that our founder does have the power to dispute the decision to change the flag and do away with the precedent for referenda all in one fell swoop - needless to say, that would not be a very popular move.

I've requested that the founder come Herr to clarify this issue.

I don't know what it is, but there's just something I like about Cenk Uygur, the guy from The Young Turks. He seems like a nice guy.

Alderney And Liberty City

I think there are three crucial positions that make you a libertarian: opposition to minimum wage laws, the Drug War and gun control.

Three is too many. I say the one crucial position that makes you a libertarian - or at least reasonable - is an opposition to big government.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:You're correct - you won't find a mention of referendum in our laws. Hence implicit rather than explicit.

Note that Article 7, Section 7, does give the people of Libertatem a right to form and keep any government they so choose; this would logically include an alternative legislative process like the referendum just conducted. The same section also notes that our founder does have the power to dispute the decision to change the flag and do away with the precedent for referenda all in one fell swoop - needless to say, that would not be a very popular move.

Article 7 is made for individual rights. It says that you can hold any government in your nation that you please. Not the power to damn the rest of the Constitution by majority rule. You are looking at it from a collective view, that is for individuals. The precedent has been set that the regional government does not have the rights of an individual.

Pevvania

The previous section also says that all rights not granted to the regional government belong to the people.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Three is too many. I say the one crucial position that makes you a libertarian - or at least reasonable - is an opposition to big government.

Conservatives also claim to be opposed to big government, and even Democrats do so from time to time.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Article 7 is made for individual rights. It says that you can hold any government in your nation that you please. Not the power to damn the rest of the Constitution by majority rule. You are looking at it from a collective view, that is for individuals. The precedent has been set that the regional government does not have the rights of an individual.

A fine point by Minerva. I'm too tired to go too much into this, but I think we should hold off on the flag change until Lib gives his two cents.

The difference is that libertarians are serious.

Indeed. We'll wait for Lib's opinion.

Pevvania wrote:opposition to minimum wage laws

We need minimum wage laws, but the current ones are way too high.

Pevvania wrote:Conservatives also claim to be opposed to big government, and even Democrats do so from time to time.

A fine point by Minerva. I'm too tired to go too much into this, but I think we should hold off on the flag change until Lib gives his two cents.

Minerva?

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Minerva?

That's your name now, apparently.

Sorry. I'm tired.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:We need minimum wage laws, but the current ones are way too high.

Ummm... Then what is the appropriate price floor for wages?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:The previous section also says that all rights not granted to the regional government belong to the people.

Constitutional amendment is granted to the regional government.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Constitutional amendment is granted to the regional government.

The right to change the flag is not explicitly granted to the regional government. Wouldn't it fall to reason that this right would be granted to the people?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:The right to change the flag is not explicitly granted to the regional government. Wouldn't it fall to reason that this right would be granted to the people?

No it wouldn't.

The standing legal principle is that a flag change is a constitutional amendment which is granted to the regional government.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=337206

I know this might kinda be personal for some, but I'm just curious. How many of us are female or male in this region?

I am pretty sure that this region like most regions is a sausage fest.

Hallo Island

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:We need minimum wage laws, but the current ones are way too high.

You're absolutely correct. We do need laws enforcing a minimum wage.

One that is non-existent, because everything else just leads to an enormous amount of problems.

Pevvania, Alderney And Liberty City

The United Libertarian American Republic wrote:I am pretty sure that this region like most regions is a sausage fest.

I'm pretty sure that many also like sausage.

Alderney And Liberty City

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:I'm pretty sure that many also like sausage.

Good night, everybody!

Pevvania

After careful deliberation, I have chosen a Manager of State.

There were multiple applicants, but I've chosen [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation]. I've been meaning to add him to my Cabinet for a long time now, and this will probably be my final opportunity to do so.

The United Libertarian American Republic wrote:I am pretty sure that this region like most regions is a sausage fest.

I figured, I honestly don't know any girls who are libertarian here in Quebec, let alone right wing. They're mostly philosophically inept and going along with we're being taught, liberals who think they're promoting "human rights" and mainstream feminists who as much as what they're talking about as a peanut.

The Aradites wrote:I know this might kinda be personal for some, but I'm just curious. How many of us are female or male in this region?

I identify as a nonbinary transmasculine two-spirit.

The Aradites wrote:I figured, I honestly don't know any girls who are libertarian here in Quebec, let alone right wing. They're mostly philosophically inept and going along with we're being taught, liberals who think they're promoting "human rights" and mainstream feminists who as much as what they're talking about as a peanut.

You live in Quebec?! *shudders*

Quebec is a liberal hell.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Quebec is a liberal hell.

That's an understatement. I've lived in liberal hells. Quebec is something else. It's deeply racist, crushingly bureaucratic and utterly cultureless. It is a tasteless, fascistic dump.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:After careful deliberation, I have chosen a Manager of State.

There were multiple applicants, but I've chosen [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation]. I've been meaning to add him to my Cabinet for a long time now, and this will probably be my final opportunity to do so.

Yay!!!!!!

Pevvania wrote:I identify as a nonbinary transmasculine two-spirit.

I applaud the fact that you are and that you oppose anti-discrimination laws.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Quebec is a liberal hell.

Pevvania wrote:That's an understatement. I've lived in liberal hells. Quebec is something else. It's deeply racist, crushingly bureaucratic and utterly cultureless. It is a tasteless, fascistic dump.

Most people I know would agree with you Pevvania, but instead they advocate a reverse-racist, democratic socialist and forced multiculture (aka non-western) state. They don't understand the concept of natural rights special privileges. You basically have to choose between Ultra-nationalistic franco-state or an forceful liberal hell.

Liberosia wrote:For the purposes of clarification, the modus operandi for changing of the World Factbook Entry has been at the discretion of the primary executives, with the ultimate source being the founder and the president. This does not preclude consultation of the various legislative/judicial branches, it simply conforms to the identity of gameplay. The issue of the flag is rather different, for all those reasons that have heretofore been mentioned regarding its representation of the region et al.

The flag has become increasingly legislatorial over time (like other things), but it is not without precedent. There are even constitutional supports for my position on the authority to change the flag. The precedent, insofar that it exists, is but the instance of the installation of the current flag by myself and on my own authority. This would lend itself to the same precedent on the WFE. However, the region's flag must reflect the region's laws, and since the region's laws are determined by the people in the House, the flag should reflect those laws.

Article II, Section I, Subsection III of the Constitution

The President shall hold the power of the founder, but only at the discretion of the founder. The founder may restrict, or veto, the President’s power, or choose to share more privileges. The Presidency is attained by having the majority of endorsements, as legally mandated by tri-annual popular elections.

The President and by extension the executive have the legal power to change the flag qua execution of changing the flag as an authority granted by my discretion (which I do indeed grant).

By the above logic of laws related to the flag, a change of the flag should and must be put to a region-wide vote in the House, and then the executive must conform to this decision. The change can be anything within the bounds of the parameters of Article VIII of the Constitution, which, until repealed, is a primary legal position/precedent that the flag must reflect (again by the prior logic of laws related to the flag).

In the sense of policy, the appropriate course of action would be to hold a vote in the House for a new (or status quo) flag within the bounds of anti-communism. If the region wishes to make the flag unrelated to Article VIII, then there must be a constitutional amendment for its removal.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Forgive me for interjecting and though I may not be the sitting AG so it is not my job to interpret and I'm sure Yrellian will put it in your favor, but the precedent was established by decree of the Founder that a flag change would be treated as a Constitutional amendment and those processes must be followed.

If I am not mistaken, no mention of a referendum exists in ours laws, I'll check.

Basically, according to my interpretation of the law, a referendum is fine, but there must be a symbol of anticommunism on the flag, visible to the eye. If you don't like that, then pursue a constitutional amendment to remove Article VIII.

Ok that would be easy. Symbols could just be put in the blue areas like the anti Com symbol,the statue of liberty and other Libertatem and or Libertarian symbols.

The United Libertarian American Republic wrote:Ok that would be easy. Symbols could just be put in the blue areas like the anti Com symbol,the statue of liberty and other Libertatem and or Libertarian symbols.

That would ruin it.

The constitution is a worthless piece of crap. The goals and definitions of a region change, yet we are still bound to a document that had been made in a different period and population. Democracy is often derided as a tool for collectivism, but it begs the point: How else can liberty be secured if cultural changes are only so effective? If this region was founded as a Nazi region, and there was a constitution binding ourselves to the Nazi ideology, would it not make sense for an overwhelmingly modern liberal populace to reject it and create a new one if the majority willed it?

Alderney And Liberty City

President Minerva 2015! Unless the Lord our Roads runs.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The constitution is a worthless piece of crap. The goals and definitions of a region change, yet we are still bound to a document that had been made in a different period and population. Democracy is often derided as a tool for collectivism, but it begs the point: How else can liberty be secured if cultural changes are only so effective? If this region was founded as a Nazi region, and there was a constitution binding ourselves to the Nazi ideology, would it not make sense for an overwhelmingly modern liberal populace to reject it and create a new one if the majority willed it?

Which is why it's desperate for amendments.

Fun fact: 22% of Americans have libertarian leaning beliefs, but that doesn't stop the state from ignoring such a large segment of people. In any way, libertarians still have to educate others, and democracy has only been the best way to represent the people. A multi party state would ensure that libertarians would get the representation they want instead of hanging off the fringes of the Repubs. Democracy is something that can be a force for good, but is currently ignored.

Minerva's flag is an implicit symbol of our War on Communism. We've got plenty of libertarian and anti-authoritarian symbolism in it that illustrates our military efforts in support of this War.

And since the majority has voted in favor of it, that does mean that Liberosia has granted his blessing for the flag change (even if it is begrudgingly), right?

Republic Of Minerva, Alderney And Liberty City

hi guys !!!

the president of the united environmentalist states of mhomen

i like our flag. It is perfectly fine.

So apparently the democrats want to sell to the American people the first woman president, after the first black president. As always this seems to be their only argument in favor of their lifelong bureaucrats candidates with really poor results.

What will it be after that ? The first homosexual president ? The first asian president ?

And the most terrible thing is that this is actually working, people here in Europe are already supporting her ( even the members of the french government on twitter... diplomacy f*** you ), even if they don't have a single clue about what she has done during her political career and despite her terrible performance as secretary of state.

Some interviews of average americans show the same thing over and over, they cannot argue in her favor without mentioning her gender, and very often this is like their only reason to say they are ready to vote for her.

Idiocracy is coming.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

So apparently the Nutzis somehow got control of Islam. I guess the term "Islamofascist" now fits the region.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=islam

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen, Alderney And Liberty City

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Minerva's flag is an implicit symbol of our War on Communism. We've got plenty of libertarian and anti-authoritarian symbolism in it that illustrates our military efforts in support of this War.

And since the majority has voted in favor of it, that does mean that Liberosia has granted his blessing for the flag change (even if it is begrudgingly), right?

No, he said that Article 8 would have to be repealed or amended. Which is what I have been saying for months.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Republic Of Minerva wrote:So apparently the Nutzis somehow got control of Islam. I guess the term "Islamofascist" now fits the region.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=islam

I got a telegram from their former leader. Apparently their Founder rose from the dead and took over.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Can the Board please fast-track Humph's citizenship? I motioned this several days ago and have only gotten one vote so far.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:So apparently the democrats want to sell to the American people the first woman president, after the first black president. As always this seems to be their only argument in favor of their lifelong bureaucrats candidates with really poor results.

What will it be after that ? The first homosexual president ? The first asian president ?

And the most terrible thing is that this is actually working, people here in Europe are already supporting her ( even the members of the french government on twitter... diplomacy f*** you ), even if they don't have a single clue about what she has done during her political career and despite her terrible performance as secretary of state.

Some interviews of average americans show the same thing over and over, they cannot argue in her favor without mentioning her gender, and very often this is like their only reason to say they are ready to vote for her.

Idiocracy is coming.

That's exactly what I fear.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:No, he said that Article 8 would have to be repealed or amended. Which is what I have been saying for months.

No, he said this:

Liberosia wrote:Basically, according to my interpretation of the law, a referendum is fine, but there must be a symbol of anticommunism on the flag, visible to the eye. If you don't like that, then pursue a constitutional amendment to remove Article VIII.

I can name three symbols of anticommunism, each of which are visible.

The blue borders are the same color as our old flag, and represents the capitalism the communists lack.

The existence of a centerpiece is the same as our old flag, and the yellow around it represents the libertarianism the statists lack.

The message of the Gadsden snake is "Don't Tread On Me", our policy against the Red aggressors who, by their very actions, justify the continued existence of our War.

Not only is our flag a symbol of libertarianism, but it's also a symbol of anti-authoritarianism, with some reactionary elements from our old flag thrown in. To that end, changes to Article VIII are not necessary at this time... though I do wish we could get rid of the pesky clauses that suggest we need to attack "libertarian communists" and ally with fascists.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:No, he said this:

I can name three symbols of anticommunism, each of which are visible.

The blue borders are the same color as our old flag, and represents the capitalism the communists lack.

The existence of a centerpiece is the same as our old flag, and the yellow around it represents the libertarianism the statists lack.

The message of the Gadsden snake is "Don't Tread On Me", our policy against the Red aggressors who, by their very actions, justify the continued existence of our War.

Not only is our flag a symbol of libertarianism, but it's also a symbol of anti-authoritarianism, with some reactionary elements from our old flag thrown in. To that end, changes to Article VIII are not necessary at this time... though I do wish we could get rid of the pesky clauses that suggest we need to attack "libertarian communists" and ally with fascists.

Well, it appears as though the flag has not passed.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:No, he said this:

I can name three symbols of anticommunism, each of which are visible.

The blue borders are the same color as our old flag, and represents the capitalism the communists lack.

The existence of a centerpiece is the same as our old flag, and the yellow around it represents the libertarianism the statists lack.

The message of the Gadsden snake is "Don't Tread On Me", our policy against the Red aggressors who, by their very actions, justify the continued existence of our War.

Not only is our flag a symbol of libertarianism, but it's also a symbol of anti-authoritarianism, with some reactionary elements from our old flag thrown in. To that end, changes to Article VIII are not necessary at this time... though I do wish we could get rid of the pesky clauses that suggest we need to attack "libertarian communists" and ally with fascists.

That's great, but any legislation also has to pass the Board. Has it even been brought to the Board?

As a Libertarian Populist i think that the people have the power. The power of the Board comes from the people. So if the people have approved a change then why should their Representatives have the power to counter the will of the people?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, Alderney And Liberty City, Continental Commonwealths

What a bunch o bull. The flag is a part of the WFE and should be changed without prevedent

http://rare.us/story/michael-reagan-rand-paul-gets-my-dad/

wow, Reagan's son says Paul represents his dads foreign policy. How can the GOP establishment fight that? Reagan's family would know Ron best.

Alderney And Liberty City

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What a bunch o bull. The flag is a part of the WFE and should be changed without prevedent

Well, the constitution says other why

3 votes on waiving Humph's citizenship requirement. All for, so far. If we don't get two more votes today, I'll finalise it and Humph can be a citizen again.

The United Libertarian American Republic wrote:http://rare.us/story/michael-reagan-rand-paul-gets-my-dad/

wow, Reagan's son says Paul represents his dads foreign policy. How can the GOP establishment fight that? Reagan's family would know Ron best.

I always smile when people insinuate that Reagan was some kind of a war hawk. He was certainly no non-interventionist, arming anti-communist forces abroad and using military force when necessary, but I think libertarians can admire his hostility to war and desire for peace with the Soviet Union. He also resisted the influence of neo-conservatism in the party, passing over Jeanne Kirkpatrick for Secretary of State for the more pragmatic George Shultz. Reagan once remarked about neo-conservatives that "Those sons of bitches won’t be happy until we have 25,000 troops in Managua, and I'm not going to do it."

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:That's great, but any legislation also has to pass the Board. Has it even been brought to the Board?

Incorrect. The whole point of a referendum is for the people to enact legislative change themselves, and of Board participants, two voted for and two voted against. Besides, the power to change the WFE - and by extension, the flag - is completely outside of the Board's authority.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Well, the constitution says other why

The Constitution does not so much as mention the flag.

The majority have voted in favor of Minerva's proposal, and it meets the standards our founder has put in place. Now, if there are no further objections...

The United Libertarian American Republic

I think we should defer to the founder on this one, who is clearly the highest authority on this matter, and either draft a new flag proposal or revisit the issue later.

I'm drafting the CITIZEN Act (again, I need help with an acronym). It will include transferable citizenship, so that nations who have CTE'd, renounced their citizenship or are using another nation can immediately get their citizenship back pending approval by the IAD.

Please TG me or post suggestions so I can get this on the floor of the House!

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem

Did [nation=Muh Roads] agree to become Manager of State?

Pevvania wrote:I think we should defer to the founder on this one, who is clearly the highest authority on this matter, and either draft a new flag proposal or revisit the issue later.

The people are the best source of power within any region, and the majority voted for. Therefore, I see no reason as to why there is even a discussion. The President has agreed, the people through referendum have agreed, and many foreign agents visiting also agreed. The only section of government that didn't agree is the Board, which is currently composed of one party and of course, would want to keep a flag that shows that we hate sickles and hammers. It makes no sense. Having a Libertarian flag makes much more sense, as it actually represents what we believe in, Libertarianism (Unlike a Sickle and Hammer with a cross on it, which simply represents ignorance). This matter is also not a matter of the board according to the constitution.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:The people are the best source of power within any region

Ideally, yes. In practice, hell no.

The way the game works means that the Founder is always the ultimate authority in every region, ever, and always will be unless he for some reason decides to give up his magical powers.

Ours has not given up his magical powers, and seeing as how currently Liberosia's account is currently the only one that has access to editing the region, it's up to him to decide if he's going to change the flag or not.

Pevvania, The New United States, Muh Roads

Uh, get rid of one of those "currently"s, didn't notice I had two.

Pev, call it the Comprehensive Indemnity Transfer for Identified Zealous Expatriated Nations Act.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Did [nation=Muh Roads] agree to become Manager of State?

The people are the best source of power within any region, and the majority voted for. Therefore, I see no reason as to why there is even a discussion. The President has agreed, the people through referendum have agreed, and many foreign agents visiting also agreed. The only section of government that didn't agree is the Board, which is currently composed of one party and of course, would want to keep a flag that shows that we hate sickles and hammers. It makes no sense. Having a Libertarian flag makes much more sense, as it actually represents what we believe in, Libertarianism (Unlike a Sickle and Hammer with a cross on it, which simply represents ignorance). This matter is also not a matter of the board according to the constitution.

I am not familiar with the opinion of the entire Board, but as you may recall I said I would vote for whatever the region wanted. But since Liberosia had clarified this on a constitutional level, I must defend the Constitution.

"Democracy" and "the will of the people" can be dangerous things indeed. I personally don't think this is a big issue, but I pledged to uphold the Constitution and I will continue to do so.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Pev, call it the Comprehensive Indemnity Transfer for Identified Zealous Expatriated Nations Act.

Great! Any suggestions as to what else should go in the bill?

Muh Roads will have to resign from his Board seat to take on the job, keep in mind.

Yes, Muh has agreed to accept the Manager position. Though I think that means we need to elect someone to his Board seat...

Pevvania wrote:Great! Any suggestions as to what else should go in the bill?

Nations that move away from the region should be given a more gracious waiting period before their citizenship is revoked, and whatever time period that is should be doubled if they consult the IAD before their departure and inform them that they will return.

Oh, and providing expatriated/vacationing citizens a means of voting from abroad would be ideal as well.

I'll run to replace Lord Roads on the Board as a Independent.

hello!

Alderney And Liberty City

Hello highly obvious commie spy, what brings you here?

Alderney And Liberty City

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Yes, Muh has agreed to accept the Manager position. Though I think that means we need to elect someone to his Board seat...

Nations that move away from the region should be given a more gracious waiting period before their citizenship is revoked, and whatever time period that is should be doubled if they consult the IAD before their departure and inform them that they will return.

Why do nations lose their citizenship when they leave the region? That seems a bit nationalistic. Letting folks have citizenship permanently (unless they renounce it or have it revoked) would also be a good way to attract more nations to the region.

Republic Of Minerva, Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, Alderney And Liberty City, Continental Commonwealths

Pevvania wrote:Great! Any suggestions as to what else should go in the bill?

Muh Roads will have to resign from his Board seat to take on the job, keep in mind.

I am interested in the position as soon as my Citizenship comes through. Running as an Independent. Of course.

I would also be interested in running for Seat Three of the Board, representing the Party for Resistance and Reform.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:I would also be interested in running for Seat Three of the Board, representing the Party for Resistance and Reform.

Any job you can get, right?

Pevvania wrote:Why do nations lose their citizenship when they leave the region? That seems a bit nationalistic. Letting folks have citizenship permanently (unless they renounce it or have it revoked) would also be a good way to attract more nations to the region.

Well, our message board is open to nations in allied regions, and we do have a variety of other tools at our disposal that could make involvement in the region's government possible without having a nation physically present here. Is this the direction we want to go?

Pevvania wrote:I think there are three crucial positions that make you a libertarian: opposition to minimum wage laws, the Drug War and gun control.

This is an older post, but here's my two cents on it.

"Libertarian" was initially used to describe French anarcho-communists, and later anarchists and anti-Vanguardist socialists in general. Eventually, it referred to American neoclassical liberals and moderate conservatives. So, I'd see opposition to an authoritarian state as the core aspect of libertarianism, along with a disdain for coercive hierarchy and individualism. I see libertarianism as more of a mindset than a specific ideology, which focuses on individual rights over a oppressive hierarchy or collective. And, taken to it's logical conclusions, I see that libertarian mindset as being radically anti-statist, anti-capitalist, voluntaryist if not pacifist, anti-religious and feminist.

To quote Benjamin Tucker, "if the individual has the right to govern himself, all external government is tyranny."

The New Sea Territory wrote:along with a disdain for coercive hierarchy and individualism.

Add "promotion of" before individualism.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Any job you can get, right?

I was offered a position in the Judicial Department, offered a position as Manager of State, and offered a seat on te Board. I declined the first and was rejected for the second. I don't see that as taking anything I can get.

I vote to AYE regarding Humpheria's citizenship.

I am running for president American.

Yes I have agreed to take on the manager of state position, however, CI, if you find a better suitor than let them have the position. I enjoy being on the board very much :)

I may support a Minerva presidency my lord Roads. He is more Populist. He puts the People's wants before the wants of The Board.

No worries American. My campaign will certainly be like no other though. I've got plans and they are going to be put to action very soon.

Just make sure that you stay active through the campaign. OK Lord Roads;)

Heheh won't be a problem this time. I've almost finished training with the new job. I'm moving much closer to it this week too, a 140 mile commute everyday has been no fun. City life sucks, gonna miss my big backyard and porch, but my new apartment is pretty dang nice as far as apartments go..

BOARD VOTE

Waiving the Citizenship Waiting Period for Humpheria

Pevvania AYE

Hallo Island AYE

Right-Winged Nation AYE

Northern Prussia NAY

Muh Roads AYE

By a vote of 4-1, Board votes in FAVOUR of restoring the citizenship of Humpheria.

The CITIZEN Act (or perhaps FRAUD II) will include

-Transferable citizenship

-Permanent citizenship regardless of residence

-Expanded Board power to challenge the IAD

Other items on my agenda for this month include

-Comprehensive constitutional reform

-An act to affirm the status of the War

-An act addressing the flag

The election to replace Muh Roads should occur today. Who are the candidates other than Humpheria?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem, Hallo Island

I spent a few minutes documenting rates of gun ownership and gun homicide state-by-state. The data is out of sync, with the ownership rates being in 2007 and the gun murders being recorded in 2010, so I will update it with more recent data. There isn't any strong correlation between the two. Take a look for yourselves.

http://i.imgur.com/iBK6Z8f.png

Pevvania wrote:I spent a few minutes documenting rates of gun ownership and gun homicide state-by-state. The data is out of sync, with the ownership rates being in 2007 and the gun murders being recorded in 2010, so I will update it with more recent data. There isn't any strong correlation between the two. Take a look for yourselves.

http://i.imgur.com/iBK6Z8f.png

I will say, though, that the graph seems to show an initial increase in gun murders per 100,000 people as the gun ownership rate goes up, but then murders tend to decline after the 25% mark. Vermont has the lowest amount of gun murders in the nation, at 0.3 per 100,000 people, but a gun ownership rate of 42%, which is quite high.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:I would also be interested in running for Seat Three of the Board, representing the Party for Resistance and Reform.

I'm glad to see that you chose the PRR, it is kind of a dead party since Actum left.

Alderney And Liberty City

Post self-deleted by The New United States.

Pevvania wrote:BOARD VOTE

Waiving the Citizenship Waiting Period for Humpheria

Pevvania AYE

Hallo Island AYE

Right-Winged Nation AYE

Northern Prussia NAY

Muh Roads AYE

By a vote of 4-1, Board votes in FAVOUR of restoring the citizenship of Humpheria.

The CITIZEN Act (or perhaps FRAUD II) will include

-Transferable citizenship

-Permanent citizenship regardless of residence

-Expanded Board power to challenge the IAD

Other items on my agenda for this month include

-Comprehensive constitutional reform

-An act to affirm the status of the War

-An act addressing the flag

The election to replace Muh Roads should occur today. Who are the candidates other than Humpheria?

I want in on helping with the items on the agenda, so I'll throw my hat in the ring.

I request to run as the RLP's candidate. If that is not possible, I will run as an independent.

Woah.

I've got more influence than CI.

Neat.

Also,

"6 hours ago: Lack there of ceased to exist."

We've got a distinct lack of Lack.

Muh Roads wrote:No worries American. My campaign will certainly be like no other though. I've got plans and they are going to be put to action very soon.

Hey! My campaign was pretty great. Good luck in topping it.

The New United States wrote:I want in on helping with the items on the agenda, so I'll throw my hat in the ring.

I request to run as the RLP's candidate. If that is not possible, I will run as an independent.

There goes my electorate.

The United Libertarian American Republic wrote:I may support a Minerva presidency my lord Roads. He is more Populist. He puts the People's wants before the wants of The Board.

That's a very warped way of looking at it, but nonetheless each to his own.

Pevvania wrote:Why do nations lose their citizenship when they leave the region? That seems a bit nationalistic. Letting folks have citizenship permanently (unless they renounce it or have it revoked) would also be a good way to attract more nations to the region.

FRAUD was written at a time when embassy posting didn't exist and honestly, I just didn't think about people that come back. So, I would support an amendment to FRAUD.

The New United States wrote:I want in on helping with the items on the agenda, so I'll throw my hat in the ring.

I request to run as the RLP's candidate. If that is not possible, I will run as an independent.

First RLP member to declare their candidacy automatically gets the nomination, unless barred from seeking office or another party candidate comes up.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Hey! My campaign was pretty great. Good luck in topping it.

There goes my electorate.

That's a very warped way of looking at it, but nonetheless each to his own.

FRAUD was written at a time when embassy posting didn't exist and honestly, I just didn't think about people that come back. So, I would support an amendment to FRAUD.

Excellent. FRAUD II is under construction.

Pevvania wrote:First RLP member to declare their candidacy automatically gets the nomination, unless barred from seeking office or another party candidate comes up.

Darn. I might as well drop out now.

Lol, quote of the day talking about Cold War: ¨No one votes for communism, the USSR invaded and took over. You would have to be retarded to vote for communism.¨From my professor on history

Miencraft, Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Conservative Idealism In Libertatem

Humph, you're an independent now, remember?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Humph, you're an independent now, remember?

Yes, but the RLP is still my electorate.

On a lighter note, Fortside Rock Radio's main playlist is up to 50 songs, including Boston's More Than A Feeling. Special thanks to Miencraft's Diamond Radio for playing that song first!

Pevvania

That is a good , our flag says no communism , which is good !!!

Ironically we allow communists to inhabit this region, if they wish

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Ironically we allow communists to inhabit this region, if they wish

Peaceful communists who wish to debate. We are anti-Communist not anti-Communists.

Continental Commonwealths

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Peaceful communists who wish to debate. We are anti-Communist not anti-Communists.

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