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Humpheria wrote:That is such a weak argument, no offense.

1. Really? That is like defending Obamacare because Canada has universal healthcare.

2. That is absolutely no excuse.

3. So you support something. But, you don't. Okay.

Hump, you can't hate Washington too much. Keep in mind, without him, there is no America.

Humpheria wrote:That is such a weak argument, no offense.

1. Really? That is like defending Obamacare because Canada has universal healthcare.

2. That is absolutely no excuse.

3. So you support something. But, you don't. Okay.

1 no Canada came after us.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Hump, you can't hate Washington too much. Keep in mind, without him, there is no America.

Horatio gates could of done the same thing.

The Amarican Empire wrote:1 no Canada came after us.

But they got universal healthcare first.

Ankha wrote:Horatio gates could of done the same thing.

Horatio Gates was a Pu$$y. His favorite thing to do was retreat. You know his first victory? It was the work of Benedict Arnold. Horatio Gates was weak and he always undermined Washington. If Horatio Gates would have lead us we would still be saying Colour.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Horatio Gates was a Pu$$y. His favorite thing to do was retreat. You know his first victory? It was the work of Benedict Arnold. Horatio Gates was weak and he always undermined Washington. If Horatio Gates would have lead us we would still be saying Colour.

I think Benedict Arnold was stronger than Horatio Gates and Arnold turned into a backstabber.

The Serbian Empire wrote:I think Benedict Arnold was stronger than Horatio Gates and Arnold turned into a backstabber.

Yep.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Without this man, there is no America. I know he blundered with the Whiskey Rebellion and I know the National Bank wasn't that great either(Even though it bought us Louisiana which was a great thing.) He lead us to victory over the British, and he set the two four year term to make sure there would never be a dictatorship or monarchy. Washington did have his faults, but without him there is no America, so stahp it.

This is why I hate debating history with you, Jack. You repeat exactly what the History Channel tells you, rather than actually looking at it. There would be an America without Washington. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. Madison was the Father of the Constitution. The Dem-Rep party pressured him into retirement (it was not entirely a unilateral decision). We did not win solely because of Washington. He was not the only general, he also suffered more losses than victories. We are taught to believe he was the only person out there with a rank, but in reality he was only there to take the credit on the tailcoats of Gates and Arnold. Now I realize you are going to respond with some generic "Washington was the father of our country and he was single-handedly responsible for our country". Just don't.

The Serbian Empire wrote:I think Benedict Arnold was stronger than Horatio Gates and Arnold turned into a backstabber.

That's because everyone keep taking his glory and insulting his honour. Arnold deserved to be treated better then he was in the revolution.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Horatio Gates was a Pu$$y. His favorite thing to do was retreat. You know his first victory? It was the work of Benedict Arnold. Horatio Gates was weak and he always undermined Washington. If Horatio Gates would have lead us we would still be saying Colour.

Im just saying..say Washington was king, wouldnt another general lead another revolution or something? I think our army would of overthrown him.

Thanks Humph. (Educate yourself.....)

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Horatio Gates was a Pu$$y. His favorite thing to do was retreat. You know his first victory? It was the work of Benedict Arnold. Horatio Gates was weak and he always undermined Washington. If Horatio Gates would have lead us we would still be saying Colour.

A couple things. LEARN SOME GRAMMAR.

It is similar to the France thing, he blundered after his victories, so he is seen as a failure. Washington blundered before his victories, so he has been martyred.

That is a totally baseless piece of conjecture.

Humpheria wrote:This is why I hate debating history with you, Jack. You repeat exactly what the History Channel tells you, rather than actually looking at it. There would be an America without Washington. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. Madison was the Father of the Constitution. The Dem-Rep party pressured him into retirement (it was not entirely a unilateral decision). We did not win solely because of Washington. He was not the only general, he also suffered more losses than victories. We are taught to believe he was the only person out there with a rank, but in reality he was only there to take the credit on the tailcoats of Gates and Arnold. Now I realize you are going to respond with some generic "Washington was the father of our country and he was single-handedly responsible for our country". Just don't.

Humpheria wrote:This is why I hate debating history with you, Jack. You repeat exactly what the History Channel tells you, rather than actually looking at it. There would be an America without Washington. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. Madison was the Father of the Constitution. The Dem-Rep party pressured him into retirement (it was not entirely a unilateral decision). We did not win solely because of Washington. He was not the only general, he also suffered more losses than victories. We are taught to believe he was the only person out there with a rank, but in reality he was only there to take the credit on the tailcoats of Gates and Arnold. Now I realize you are going to respond with some generic "Washington was the father of our

country and he was single-handedly responsible for our country". Just don't.

Humpy, I don't care what you think of him politically. He is the reason we won this war. Without Washington, Von Stuben doesn't train our troops and get them more disciplined. Without Washington and his tactics, America would have lost the American Revolution. Washington Turned the war around at a critical moment when he crossed the Delaware River. He didn't follow the code of war and that lead to winning many battles. Without Washington, there is no way we win the American Revolution and form our own country.

The Amarican Empire wrote:That's because everyone keep taking his glory and insulting his honour. Arnold deserved to be treated better then he was in the revolution.

I think that might in fact be correct. If he was treated better, he might have not become the figure known for treason.

Humpheria wrote:A couple things. LEARN SOME GRAMMAR.

It is similar to the France thing, he blundered after his victories, so he is seen as a failure. Washington blundered before his victories, so he has been martyred.

That is a totally baseless piece of conjecture.

No it is not.

The Serbian Empire wrote:I think that might in fact be correct. If he was treated better, he might have not become the figure known for treason.

The Serbian Empire wrote:I think that might in fact be correct. If he was treated better, he might have not become the figure known for treason.

That is true, Benedict was never given the credit for any of his victories.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Humpy, I don't care what you think of him politically. He is the reason we won this war. Without Washington, Von Stuben doesn't train our troops and get them more disciplined. Without Washington and his tactics, America would have lost the American Revolution. Washington Turned the war around at a critical moment when he crossed the Delaware River. He didn't follow the code of war and that lead to winning many battles. Without Washington, there is no way we win the American Revolution and form our own country.

Thank you for conceding two of your three contentions. Now to destroy your third. We won because of Washington, huh? Well, in a word, no. Washington was a failure during his early years, being discharged from the British army. Some scholars argue that he rose through the ranks so passionately in the American army because of his resent for the British army, not as many believe, a belief in America.

But.... but..... he was a great general. A master tactician. He was a great guy.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

No.

Many of his great victories, such a Yorktown can be attributed to some of his lower officers and the commands of the individual units. His few really good victories are not really his doing.

Let me fix my tta comment. I support states rights to an extent. I still think that we should be one nation.

Humpheria wrote:Thank you for conceding two of your three contentions. Now to destroy your third. We won because of Washington, huh? Well, in a word, no. Washington was a failure during his early years, being discharged from the British army. Some scholars argue that he rose through the ranks so passionately in the American army because of his resent for the British army, not as many believe, a belief in America.

But.... but..... he was a great general. A master tactician. He was a great guy.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

No.

Many of his great victories, such a Yorktown can be attributed to some of his lower officers and the commands of the individual units. His few really good victories are not really his doing.

It is interesting to note that the "General George Washington" character in Age of Empires III is a very minor character throughout the campaigns in which he appears, and his appearances are few and far between.

In fact, his coding makes him a regular footsoldier that falls unconscious when he runs out of health.

It's not an incredibly accurate source of historical information, but I think the fact that Washington isn't actually all that important in what is probably one of the more accurate video games should serve as an indicator of something.

Humpheria wrote:Thank you for conceding two of your three contentions. Now to destroy your third. We won because of Washington, huh? Well, in a word, no. Washington was a failure during his early years, being discharged from the British army. Some scholars argue that he rose through the ranks so passionately in the American army because of his resent for the British army, not as many believe, a belief in America.

But.... but..... he was a great general. A master tactician. He was a great guy.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

No.

Many of his great victories, such a Yorktown can be attributed to some of his lower officers and the commands of the individual units. His few really good victories are not really his doing.

First of all, his career with the British army has nothing to do with what Washington did for America. Second of all, you mean to tell me that the crossing the Delaware isn't great strategy? You sir are wrong, Washington had a great military mind. Finally, he laid his life on the line for this country. I do not care what his motive for joining America was, he lead us to victory and independence.

Didn't Washington offer his service for free? I might be wrong.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Didn't Washington offer his service for free? I might be wrong.

He was selected by Continental Congress

Right-Winged Nation wrote:First of all, his career with the British army has nothing to do with what Washington did for America. Second of all, you mean to tell me that the crossing the Delaware isn't great strategy? You sir are wrong, Washington had a great military mind. Finally, he laid his life on the line for this country. I do not care what his motive for joining America was, he lead us to victory and independence.

1. It had everything to do with it. You can't just say it doesn't and think that it is solid evidence.

2. Crossing the Delaware is a relatively small victory. It really wasn't all that great. Jack, why did he cross the Delaware. Exactly the reason. And what did it impact? No one else answer this, I want RWN to. Give up? Wanna Google it?

3. That is such a ignorant argument. He was a commander, he was never on the front line and rarely in danger. Every soldier does that, Washington was actually the farthest from that on the soldier's spectrum.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Didn't Washington offer his service for free? I might be wrong.

No, he didn't.

Humpheria wrote:1. It had everything to do with it. You can't just say it doesn't and think that it is solid evidence.

2. Crossing the Delaware is a relatively small victory. It really wasn't all that great. Jack, why did he cross the Delaware. Exactly the reason. And what did it impact? No one else answer this, I want RWN to. Give up? Wanna Google it?

3. That is such a ignorant argument. He was a commander, he was never on the front line and rarely in danger. Every soldier does that, Washington was actually the farthest from that on the soldier's spectrum.

You are full of it, Washington was being shot at. An English officer had a clean shot at Washington, but didn't take it because it was against the code of war to kill an officer. With the Delaware, it was done on Christmas. The Hessians were partying and getting drunk. For those of you who don't know, the Hessians were fierce assassins hired by the English to ravage towns and kill and steal and rape the women. So the Hessians were getting hammered and they all fell asleep. Washington knew that since it was Christmas, that they would not be ready to attack. So Washington and his troops crossed the Delaware and performed a sneak attack on the drunk and asleep Hessians. It was a victory for America, which was greatly needed because we were battered with loss after loss and Valley Forge. The Hessians surrendered and withdrew support from the English army.

Just because you are intelligent, it does not give you the right to call me an uneducated brainwashed fool.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:You are full of it, Washington was being shot at. An English officer had a clean shot at Washington, but didn't take it because it was against the code of war to kill an officer. With the Delaware, it was done on Christmas. The Hessians were partying and getting drunk. For those of you who don't know, the Hessians were fierce assassins hired by the English to ravage towns and kill and steal and rape the women. So the Hessians were getting hammered and they all fell asleep. Washington knew that since it was Christmas, that they would not be ready to attack. So Washington and his troops crossed the Delaware and performed a sneak attack on the drunk and asleep Hessians. It was a victory for America, which was greatly needed because we were battered with loss after loss and Valley Forge. The Hessians surrendered and withdrew support from the English army.

Source? Washington never stood on the front line.

Good job. And why was this important. He killed less than 100 people. Not really a "great victory". You used that as an example becuase someone painted it. It was not a real battle. There were no British. And they were all drunk. No where near impressive.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Just because you are intelligent, it does not give you the right to call me an uneducated brainwashed fool.

And I would love for you to show me when I said that.

Humpheria wrote:This is why I hate debating history with you, Jack. You repeat exactly what the History Channel tells you, rather than actually looking at it. There would be an America without Washington. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. Madison was the Father of the Constitution. The Dem-Rep party pressured him into retirement (it was not entirely a unilateral decision). We did not win solely because of Washington. He was not the only general, he also suffered more losses than victories. We are taught to believe he was the only person out there with a rank, but in reality he was only there to take the credit on the tailcoats of Gates and Arnold. Now I realize you are going to respond with some generic "Washington was the father of our country and he was single-handedly responsible for our country". Just don't.

Humpheria wrote:Source? Washington never stood on the front line.

Good job. And why was this important. He killed less than 100 people. Not really a "great victory". You used that as an example becuase someone painted it. It was not a real battle. There were no British. And they were all drunk. No where near impressive.

Right wing is correct.

Humpheria wrote:This is why I hate debating history with you, Jack. You repeat exactly what the History Channel tells you, rather than actually looking at it. There would be an America without Washington. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. Madison was the Father of the Constitution. The Dem-Rep party pressured him into retirement (it was not entirely a unilateral decision). We did not win solely because of Washington. He was not the only general, he also suffered more losses than victories. We are taught to believe he was the only person out there with a rank, but in reality he was only there to take the credit on the tailcoats of Gates and Arnold. Now I realize you are going to respond with some generic "Washington was the father of our country and he was single-handedly responsible for our country". Just don't.

http://www.historynet.com/the-marksman-who-refused-to-shoot-george-washington.htm

Also Humpy, the Battle of Brandywine Creek September 11, 1777 is where Washington could have been killed.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:

I still fail to see where I called you uneducated and brainwashed. I called you misguided.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:http://www.historynet.com/the-marksman-who-refused-to-shoot-george-washington.htm

Point taken. However, it does not change the fact that he was the commander-in-chief and defended from harm.

Humpheria wrote:I still fail to see where I called you uneducated and brainwashed. I called you misguided.

Point taken. However, it does not change the fact that he was the commander-in-chief and defended from harm.

He would ride his horse up and down battles, which was advised against but he did it anyways.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:He would ride his horse up and down battles, which was advised against but he did it anyways.

But he wouldn't, though. Historical reenactments are not always true. He was usually about a quarter of a mile in the command tent where he would discuss strategy and give orders.

Look politically he may have not been the best, but without his presence in the military there would have been no way America is independent.

Humpheria wrote:But he wouldn't, though. Historical reenactments are not always true. He was usually about a quarter of a mile in the command tent where he would discuss strategy and give orders.

It isn't the Historical Reenactments, there are quotes from both American and British armies of Washington riding up front and riding back and forth at the front of the line, making sure that there is plans were going well. Now, Washington did get special privileges, at Valley Forge it is quite apparent.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Look politically he may have not been the best, but without his presence in the military there would have been no way America is independent.

The gentleman's argument closes, the three contentions fall. Good debate.

Even if Washington was not a great general he inspired his troops and boosted moral.

Humpheria wrote:The gentleman's argument closes, the three contentions fall. Good debate.

No, I still hold my stance that Washington was a great military mind and that he is the reason we are independent. I acknowledged that Washington had his faults beforehand. I will Still argue that without him there is no America.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:No, I still hold my stance that Washington was a great military mind and that he is the reason we are independent. I acknowledged that Washington had his faults beforehand. I will Still argue that without him there is no America.

Humpheria wrote:There would be an America without Washington. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. Madison was the Father of the Constitution. The Dem-Rep party pressured him into retirement (it was not entirely a unilateral decision). We did not win solely because of Washington. He was not the only general, he also suffered more losses than victories. We are taught to believe he was the only person out there with a rank, but in reality he was only there to take the credit on the tailcoats of Gates and Arnold. Now I realize you are going to respond with some generic "Washington was the father of our country and he was single-handedly responsible for our country". Just don't.

Hump if Washington was soo bad then why is he soo honored in our nation?

Humpheria wrote:

We would have lost without Washington, and all of those men would have been found as traitors and executed and everything written and formed would have been destroyed. Again Horatio Gates's favorite thing to do was retreat, and Benedict Arnold became a red coat, so we would have lost without Washington.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Bonjour!

Welcome to Libertatem.

Humph! A French speaker pour vous!

The Amarican Empire wrote:Hump if Washington was soo bad then why is he soo honored in our nation?

He was the first President, why would he not be glorified?

Liberosia wrote:Welcome to Libertatem.

Humph! A French speaker pour vous!

I know! I sent him a recruitment telegram and when I saw his name, I freaked.

Sembra Humpy ha qualcuno a parlare fluentemente francese con.

There are other French speakers? C'est magnifique!

I was born in France and lived there for a while, but I have lived in the Americas since 2009. I am fluent in English and French.

I think Humpy found a new love.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:There are other French speakers? C'est magnifique!

I was born in France and lived there for a while, but I have lived in the Americas since 2009. I am fluent in English and French.

Salut! Etes-vous de Saint Michele?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I think Humpy found a new love.

It was only a matter of time humpy loves his france.

Humpheria wrote:Salut! Etes-vous de Saint Michele?

Je comprend un peu de français.

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Nel frattempo sto qui parlando italiano

Humpheria wrote:Salut! Etes-vous de Saint Michele?

J'ai vécu pendant un court laps de temps avant de passer à Viriginia. Je suis né à Bordeaux.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Nein! Nein! Nein!

I know very little German, sorry. I'm from Western France. We don't like those sausage eaters.

Perché qualcuno non parla italiano?

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:J'ai vécu pendant un court laps de temps avant de passer à Viriginia. Je suis né à Bordeaux.

Vraiment? J'ai étudié à Bordeaux pour un semestre! C'est belle!

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:I know very little German, sorry. I'm from Western France. We don't like those sausage eaters.

you wanna fight? Joking*

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Perché qualcuno non parla italiano?

What are you saying?

The Amarican Empire wrote:you wanna fight? Joking*

Sorry, it is my culture.

Ci arrendiamo, ha detto il francese

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Ci arrendiamo, ha detto il francese

I don't speak Italian.

I made a French joke that may or may not offend.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:I don't speak Italian.

Perche non utilizzi un traddutore?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I made a French joke that may or may not offend.

What did you say?

Miencraft wrote:Perche non utilizzi un traddutore?

Please speak English or French. I don't know Italian.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:What did you say?

We surrender, Said the french.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:We surrender, Said the french.

Lol!

I'm gonna go eat dinner. I'm so happy!

Humpheria wrote:I'm gonna go eat dinner. I'm so happy!

chou

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Please speak English or French. I don't know Italian.

Let me translate that:

"Why don't you use a translator?"

Besides, Spanish, Italian, and French are similar enough to understand if you speak one of the three.

French is the least similar of the three but you should still be able to understand Italian if you focus.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:We surrender, Said the french.

Pourquoi les hommes italiens ont des moustaches? Ainsi, ils peuvent ressembler à leurs mères!

Miencraft wrote:Let me translate that:

"Why don't you use a translator?"

Besides, Spanish, Italian, and French are similar enough to understand if you speak one of the three.

French is the least similar of the three but you should still be able to understand Italian if you focus.

I figured it was something like using a translator, but I wasn't sure. But, no I only use languages I know.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Pourquoi les hommes italiens ont des moustaches? Ainsi, ils peuvent ressembler à leurs mères!

You are not wrong, that is funny and true at the same time.

I took and failed two years of French so I know alittle french. I am a little better in german.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:I figured it was something like using a translator, but I wasn't sure. But, no I only use languages I know.

If you know one of those three, trust me, you already know the other two.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I took and failed two years of French so I know alittle french. I am a little better in german.

I'm not saying this specifically to you, but I have no idea how one could fail French. It is such a natural language. But I did learn it before English.

Miencraft wrote:If you know one of those three, trust me, you already know the other two.

I know two of the three. I was raised in a French household. In France, children are taught English in the third level of schooling. And I've lived in the United States for five years.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:I'm not saying this specifically to you, but I have no idea how one could fail French. It is such a natural language. But I did learn it before English.

II am sorry but I just was not that interested in the french language. I only do better in german because of the interest I have in the language. I am 32.5% German.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:I know two of the three. I was raised in a French household. In France, children are taught English in the third level of schooling. And I've lived in the United States for five years.

When'd you learn the other one?

English wasn't in my list, y'know.

Miencraft wrote:When'd you learn the other one?

English wasn't in my list, y'know.

Oh, my mistake. I only know the two.

Unrelated, trainer AI in the Gen 5 Pokemon games is horrendously overpowered.

I swear everything rolls better for the AI than it does for a human player.

The Amarican Empire wrote:II am sorry but I just was not that interested in the french language. I only do better in german because of the interest I have in the language. I am 32.5% German.

*mumbles about germans being angry*

I take Latin. :P

Cite De Saint Michael I have two questions.

Do you have a nickname that you would like us to call you?

I would also like to ask you where are you politically?

Thank you.

Ankha wrote:I take Latin. :P

I know legal latin, but nothing else. I'd like to learn it eventually.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Cite De Saint Michael I have two questions.

Do you have a nickname that you would like us to call you?

I would also like to ask you where are you politically?

Thank you.

Cite de Saint Michele. (sit-ay-duh-sane-mish-elle)

Anything would work. You can call me Saint Michele if you'd like, I suppose.

Conservative Libertarian all the way.

Humpheria wrote:*mumbles about germans being angry*

Mumbles french slurs*

The Amarican Empire wrote:Mumbles french slurs*

Joking of course. I love all of Europe. Even France and Russia. Lol

The Amarican Empire wrote:Joking of course. I love all of Europe. Even France and Russia. Lol

He isn't wrong. There are a lot of anti-German sentiments in Aquitaine. Mainly from World War 2.

Humpheria wrote:I know legal latin, but nothing else. I'd like to learn it eventually.

I kinda know legal latin...I know mpre casual language...sooo useful. :P

Ankha wrote:I kinda know legal latin...I know mpre casual language...sooo useful. :P

I here it makes it much easier to learn other European languages.

Humpheria wrote:He isn't wrong. There are a lot of anti-German sentiments in Aquitaine. Mainly from World War 2.

Well if Germany was not forced to pay war fees then ww2 would have started. People do terrible things when they are desperate for survival.

Germany should have been taken care of like it was taken care of in the cold war but without the split up of Germany part.

Cite De Saint Michele wrote:Shoulda Woulda Coulda

I, like, really like you, monsieur.

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