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Muh Roads wrote:Peanut butter and tuna hoagie. With mayo.

Whoever ate it did you a favor

Narland, Rateria

One of my cousins (growing up) loved peanut butter and mayo. His mom was so disgusted by it so he would have to make it himself, and eat it alone in his room. He eventually started making his own mayo, with some pretty good recipes.

We are trying to get him to market at least one of the better tasting ones. He says it won't sell because mayo is too easy to make at home.

I jokingly told him he's better off that way as Big Mayo wouldn't like the competition... He gave me such a stage look on his face. lol. Big Mayo is now a running joke with him and his family.

Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands

It's Big Tuna you really have to worry about...

Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands

Narland wrote:It's Big Tuna you really have to worry about...

But nothing beats having the Big Bread mafia sending their union thugs after you because your organic, whole-wheat, breadloaf is .02% too leavened and they take that as a challenge.

#breadgang. #loafcartel. #thefutureiswheat

Narland, Rateria

Narland wrote:It's Big Tuna you really have to worry about...

Chicken of the sea are real head- knockers

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:Whoever ate it did you a favor

Lies, that is the best combination known to man. Full of protein.

This is why I randomly appear. Y'all would be discussing something intellectual.

Narland

Narland wrote:It's Big Tuna you really have to worry about...

I <3 big meaty tuna.

Narland

I missed an opportunity to work on some fishing boats in Alaska as a young man. 5 of my childhood friends went one year. 4 and most of a 5th came back. (One of them lost a hand). His favorite joke back then was:

What are a dolphin's last words?

<<trigger warning for those who can't take a joke>>>

I am not a tuna! I am not a tuna!

Muh Roads, Rateria

It looks like I am not going to be able to get/keep a farm up and running without either getting into debt past my knees or going on the govt dole thanx to the "Let's return to the Misery of the 1970s" crowd domineering politics. (I will know by mid January.) I have been offered a job in private education. That is like jumping out of the frying pan and into the hellfire as far as politics is concerned.

It is so ironic that the people who want to be the least political end up having to be the most just to defend themselves against the moral stupidity of others.

Auxorii, Rateria

Narland wrote:It looks like I am not going to be able to get/keep a farm up and running without either getting into debt past my knees or going on the govt dole thanx to the "Let's return to the Misery of the 1970s" crowd domineering politics. (I will know by mid January.) I have been offered a job in private education. That is like jumping out of the frying pan and into the hellfire as far as politics is concerned.

It is so ironic that the people who want to be the least political end up having to be the most just to defend themselves against the moral stupidity of others.

We will be praying for you brother

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Narland wrote:I missed an opportunity to work on some fishing boats in Alaska as a young man. 5 of my childhood friends went one year. 4 and most of a 5th came back. (One of them lost a hand). His favorite joke back then was:

What are a dolphin's last words?

<<trigger warning for those who can't take a joke>>>

I am not a tuna! I am not a tuna!

What good is a can of tuna without the dolphin surprise?

Narland

or a tentacled creature, shark cartilage, or the occasional seabird? Who hasn't heard an urban legend of someone's auntie finding a beak when opening that can of tuna fish? Either we have gotten pretty good as sifting that stuff out since the mid -20th Century or the Internet has shown us that it just doesn't happen that much anyway.

I tried, but couldn't find the Rush Limbaugh Parody Tuna Commercial where little Bobby sez the Tuna doesn't taste as good as it used to. The announcer says, that't right, since the companies took out dolphins, sharks, and medical waste from their processing of the tuna fish, it doesn't. But Weemsco Tuna still has that great dolphin taste that kids grew up with.

Rateria

Big Mayo, Big Tuna, Big Bread -- All this is making me hungry. I just need to chop in Big Pickle for a big sandwich.

Muh Roads, Auxorii, Rateria, Skaveria

Would one becoming religious just to have hell insurance actually constitute one becoming religious?

I haven't been convinced by any argument for the existence of a creator (and I actually believe eternal torture just for the sin of not believing in something you can't see, touch, hear, or smell to be evil)

But I'm still sufficiently terrified by the prospect of passing away peacefully only to open my eyes to the smell of sulfur, that I'd like to be convinced.

The problem is I can't force myself to believe in something I simply don't believe, I can force myself to act as though I believe it, but "fake it till you make it" probably doesn't work when dealing with the almighty.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Would one becoming religious just to have hell insurance actually constitute one becoming religious?

For clarification, what is your understanding of the meaning to "become religious"? My understanding is probably different.

Skaveria wrote:I haven't been convinced by any argument for the existence of a creator (and I actually believe eternal torture just for the sin of not believing in something you can't see, touch, hear, or smell to be evil)

But I'm still sufficiently terrified by the prospect of passing away peacefully only to open my eyes to the smell of sulfur, that I'd like to be convinced.

The problem is I can't force myself to believe in something I simply don't believe, I can force myself to act as though I believe it, but "fake it till you make it" probably doesn't work when dealing with the almighty.

My first advice would be to sincerely pray and ask God to reveal Himself to you. If there is a Supreme Being who is the very God (which i truly believe there is and it is He), He will answer you in due course. He is God after all.

You are right to be sincere and honest to the best of your understanding. It is all any of us can do if we want to be able to live with ourselves (or expect others to). Faking religious sentiment is at best practicing unfulfilling pretense, and at worst ensnaring oneself into living a lie, both of which God abhors. (I am not referring to morals and ethics, but religious pretense).

Did any of the 5 classical arguments for the Supreme Being, or any of the evidenciary arguments for Jesus Christ, or any of the peripheral arguments you may have heard sound at least plausible?

I will be happy to answer any questions you have here. Even believers have hard questions and at times we have doubt. Also, feel free to telegram me. I will also be praying for you should you so desire.

Skaveria wrote:Would one becoming religious just to have hell insurance actually constitute one becoming religious?

I haven't been convinced by any argument for the existence of a creator (and I actually believe eternal torture just for the sin of not believing in something you can't see, touch, hear, or smell to be evil)

But I'm still sufficiently terrified by the prospect of passing away peacefully only to open my eyes to the smell of sulfur, that I'd like to be convinced.

The problem is I can't force myself to believe in something I simply don't believe, I can force myself to act as though I believe it, but "fake it till you make it" probably doesn't work when dealing with the almighty.

IÂ’ve never feared Hell. Hell is ridiculous.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:IÂ’ve never feared Hell. Hell is ridiculous.

I feel the same way about West Point, but it serves its purpose.

I sort of understand the sentiment, though. One branch of my family (mostly militant Secular Humanists and/or Atheists) feels the same way.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:IÂ’ve never feared Hell. Hell is ridiculous.

I don't fear it on a rational level, but it's been drilled into me from a Southern Baptist upbringing. We also don't know how to explain consciousness, or that there aren't other dimensions, or that your consciousness might be transported to one upon death.

Skaveria wrote:I don't fear it on a rational level, but it's been drilled into me from a Southern Baptist upbringing. We also don't know how to explain consciousness, or that there aren't other dimensions, or that your consciousness might be transported to one upon death.

Skaveria wrote:Would one becoming religious just to have hell insurance actually constitute one becoming religious?

I haven't been convinced by any argument for the existence of a creator (and I actually believe eternal torture just for the sin of not believing in something you can't see, touch, hear, or smell to be evil)

But I'm still sufficiently terrified by the prospect of passing away peacefully only to open my eyes to the smell of sulfur, that I'd like to be convinced.

The problem is I can't force myself to believe in something I simply don't believe, I can force myself to act as though I believe it, but "fake it till you make it" probably doesn't work when dealing with the almighty.

Friend, do not be afraid. This is what the Lord tells us consistently throughout the Bible.

PascalÂ’s Wager is not a proper apologetic argument; IÂ’d be willing to talk with you and reason about why there is a Creator, but regardless, in my own Catholic perspective (which I would argue is the traditional Christian one) I donÂ’t believe someone goes to hell based on belief, but mostly on their works. Of course, God calls on us to form a personal relationship with Him, to lobe Him with all of our soul, mind and strength; however, some do not know God. This is not a cause for conversion by the sword or lamenting, but fulfilling the parable of the Lost Son (I recommend you read this, itÂ’s in the Gospel of Luke). God is constantly calling you and trying to reach out to you - He understands you on the deepest of levels, He understands why you are taking the position you are taking now and understands exactly why you would take them. Hell is not His solution for this, but to reveal.

TL;DR, no, “believing” in God without actually having faith and only fear of punishment isn’t “belief”, and would be futile. Rather than worry about being punished from God, focus on what the Christian tradition says about saving us, God wants to save us with His ever bounding mercy. This is what you should want, not salvation from hell.

Auxorii wrote:Friend, do not be afraid. This is what the Lord tells us consistently throughout the Bible.

PascalÂ’s Wager is not a proper apologetic argument; IÂ’d be willing to talk with you and reason about why there is a Creator, but regardless, in my own Catholic perspective (which I would argue is the traditional Christian one) I donÂ’t believe someone goes to hell based on belief, but mostly on their works. Of course, God calls on us to form a personal relationship with Him, to lobe Him with all of our soul, mind and strength; however, some do not know God. This is not a cause for conversion by the sword or lamenting, but fulfilling the parable of the Lost Son (I recommend you read this, itÂ’s in the Gospel of Luke). God is constantly calling you and trying to reach out to you - He understands you on the deepest of levels, He understands why you are taking the position you are taking now and understands exactly why you would take them. Hell is not His solution for this, but to reveal.

TL;DR, no, “believing” in God without actually having faith and only fear of punishment isn’t “belief”, and would be futile. Rather than worry about being punished from God, focus on what the Christian tradition says about saving us, God wants to save us with His ever bounding mercy. This is what you should want, not salvation from hell.

Be-hold-ah, thee atheist, in his TARE-ible glory-ah.

On the topic of Heaven and Hell:

Both exist. As sinners we don't deserve Heaven. Heaven is a realm of perfection and thus anything not perfect cannot be gained entrance into the realm without being perfected. How does one become perfect? By believing in Jesus, God become man who became the 2nd Adam and lived a life without sin (as he was still fully God having been concevied by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.) He died for people's sins so that whoever believes in him does not perish but has eternal life with him in Heaven. He rose from the dead to defeat death and will return to judge both the living and the dead. By accepting Jesus as your Saviour you are justified; that is made right before the Lord. The Holy Spirit than works in you to sanctify you throughout your life. Your good works done through the Holy Spirit are fruits of this saving work. I encourage those who don't yet know the Lord to read the Bible and particularly the Gospel of John, Paul's epistle to the Ephesians, and the book of James. Obviously the whole Bible is God's holy and infallible word but these books are my personal favorites and a good place to start

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:On the topic of Heaven and Hell:

Both exist. As sinners we don't deserve Heaven. Heaven is a realm of perfection and thus anything not perfect cannot be gained entrance into the realm without being perfected. How does one become perfect? By believing in Jesus, God become man who became the 2nd Adam and lived a life without sin (as he was still fully God having been concevied by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.) He died for people's sins so that whoever believes in him does not perish but has eternal life with him in Heaven. He rose from the dead to defeat death and will return to judge both the living and the dead. By accepting Jesus as your Saviour you are justified; that is made right before the Lord. The Holy Spirit than works in you to sanctify you throughout your life. Your good works done through the Holy Spirit are fruits of this saving work. I encourage those who don't yet know the Lord to read the Bible and particularly the Gospel of John, Paul's epistle to the Ephesians, and the book of James. Obviously the whole Bible is God's holy and infallible word but these books are my personal favorites and a good place to start

Infallible means?

I would suggest for the sake of conversation that infallibility be confined to specific aspects of the Bible's own internal testimony:

The Bible testifies of itself that it is infallible in ts fitness to elucidate Divine Law, expound Natural Law, and enlighten as to the state of human nature of itself, in our relation to the Supreme Being and whatever attributes of Him to which it testifies. And specifically that its prophecies come from God, not by the prophet's own interpretation of things (not having its origin in the human will) but the prophets, though human, spoke from God (by the will of God) when prompted by His spirit (breath/motion). That they (the prophecies) are completely reliable so as to give us (those who believe) hope.

As to the purpose of infallibility (again the Bible testifies of itself that it is) to give wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. That all Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

Infallibility is more than that, but certainly not less than that. The topic easily covers thousands of pages in relation to every other conceivable matter, from basic summaries to learned doctoral dissertations. Otherwise it is easy to get sidetracked into one irrelevant disputation after another.

Suzi Island

Merry Christmas Libertatem

Narland, Suzi Island, Rateria, Miri Islands

On this day, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

Today is thus, naturally, the feast day of one of our most blessed saints, Caelapes/Misley. Praise be to Lib.

Rateria, Skaveria, Miri Islands

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:On this day, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

Today is thus, naturally, the feast day of one of our most blessed saints, Caelapes/Misley. Praise be to Lib.

Sic semper tyrannis

Narland, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Merry Christmas Libertatem

Happy Boxing day!

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

happy penis day libertatem

The States Of Balloon wrote:happy penis day libertatem

Best holiday

Narland wrote:or a tentacled creature, shark cartilage, or the occasional seabird? Who hasn't heard an urban legend of someone's auntie finding a beak when opening that can of tuna fish? Either we have gotten pretty good as sifting that stuff out since the mid -20th Century or the Internet has shown us that it just doesn't happen that much anyway.

I tried, but couldn't find the Rush Limbaugh Parody Tuna Commercial where little Bobby sez the Tuna doesn't taste as good as it used to. The announcer says, that't right, since the companies took out dolphins, sharks, and medical waste from their processing of the tuna fish, it doesn't. But Weemsco Tuna still has that great dolphin taste that kids grew up with.

mmmm medical waste.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:On this day, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

Today is thus, naturally, the feast day of one of our most blessed saints, Caelapes/Misley. Praise be to Lib.

https://postimg.cc/WhjzHhGR

This was after my grandfather had passed away and I believe, during my presidential term, or something. Can't recall. Misley wasn't the worst communist I've ever encountered.

Long time, no see everyone!

Auxorii, Rateria

Venomringo wrote:Long time, no see everyone!

Greetings VenomRingo. Have a happy Gregorian New Year.

Auxorii, Rateria

I think I told this story before, but when i was in the first grade the school music teacher tried to teach us (about 20 or so 6 year olds) to play the song "New Years Resolutions" on the little toy xylophones provided. Not having known the term New Years Resolution other than hearing it in grown-up banter, I asked the music teacher to clarify, to which he stated that "New Year's Resolutions" was when someone decided (i.e., resolved) to do something, usually change a bad habit for the better because it was a new year, which I thought was pretty stupid.

My thinking was that one should resolve to do something because it is the right, (fitting, proper, timely needful) thing to do, not because it happens to be the new year. He asked all of us pupils one at a time to list a new year's resolution. When my turn came up, I resolved NEVER to make a New Year's resolution just because it was New Year's. Iirc correctly he scowled at me, but I have kept that resolution to this day.

Have a Happy (Gregorian) New Year everybody!

Virgin: Gregorian New Year

Based: Julian New Year

Damn, this place is dead. There hasnÂ’t been a new post in this RMB since last year...

Can any of you identify this story? My grandma read me a scary story when I was a kid, I can't remember if it was scary stories to tell in the dark.

All I remember of the story is that the ghost of a woman stands over this guy's bed every Christmas Eve, I remember she's soaking wet as well. Maybe she drowned?

Skaveria wrote:Can any of you identify this story? My grandma read me a scary story when I was a kid, I can't remember if it was scary stories to tell in the dark.

All I remember of the story is that the ghost of a woman stands over this guy's bed every Christmas Eve, I remember she's soaking wet as well. Maybe she drowned?

Pretty sure that's a passage in the Holy Book of Roads titled "Hot Wet Ghost Chick on Christmas Eve".

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Damn, this place is dead. There hasnÂ’t been a new post in this RMB since last year...

We can rebuild..back..better.. omg.

Muh Roads wrote:We can rebuild..back..better.. omg.

Make America greater again

Muh Roads

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Make America greater again

Please clap

Muh Roads, Auxorii

Skaveria wrote:Can any of you identify this story? My grandma read me a scary story when I was a kid, I can't remember if it was scary stories to tell in the dark.

All I remember of the story is that the ghost of a woman stands over this guy's bed every Christmas Eve, I remember she's soaking wet as well. Maybe she drowned?

What kind of sick stuff was your grandma reading you?

Skaveria wrote:Can any of you identify this story? My grandma read me a scary story when I was a kid, I can't remember if it was scary stories to tell in the dark.

All I remember of the story is that the ghost of a woman stands over this guy's bed every Christmas Eve, I remember she's soaking wet as well. Maybe she drowned?

Sounds hot

happy anniversary to one of the funniest moments in american history

Kumquat Cove

The States Of Balloon wrote:happy anniversary to one of the funniest moments in american history

The guy hanging off the balcony will always make me laugh

Kumquat Cove

Muh Roads wrote:Pretty sure that's a passage in the Holy Book of Roads titled "Hot Wet Ghost Chick on Christmas Eve".

💦💦💦💦

Muh Roads

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:💦💦💦💦

Sploosh

Muh Roads

Skaveria wrote:Can any of you identify this story? My grandma read me a scary story when I was a kid, I can't remember if it was scary stories to tell in the dark.

All I remember of the story is that the ghost of a woman stands over this guy's bed every Christmas Eve, I remember she's soaking wet as well. Maybe she drowned?

John Kendrick Bangs - The Water Ghost of Harrowby Hall?

Muh Roads wrote:We can rebuild..back..better.. omg.

Re-Bolshevik Back Broke,

Re-Bring Back Bolshevism,

Re-Broke Back Bolshevism

This is a return to the derangement of the 70s when overeducated ruling class thought that America could spend itself into prosperity if it just threw enough of other people's money at it by taxing and spend-in everyone who worked for a living to death.

Suzi Island wrote:What kind of sick stuff was your grandma reading you?

Before mass electronic media people told each other stories verbally and in print to entertain themselves. The English speaking world was very good at it. Just like the average 20th century American boogerhead had all the tools at his disposal to be a great musician (even if he didn't have the talent for or commitment to it).

19th Century the Anglosphere was fertile in creating a civilization of great storytellers, (even if particular individuals didn't have the innate talent for it). The average English speaker could entertain with family stories much like sharing family recipes. Print media disseminated some of the better stories.

Living life got you killed. But life is an adventure and it is worth living. It is both dreadful and wonderful. Reality wasn't hidden from children until they discover it by accident as adults. Life, labor, procreation, death, duty, and obligation were taught as soon as the child could grasp the concepts.

There were no such things as teenagers. At 14 you were expected to start the trek of life to start standing on your own two feet. By 18-21 one was expected to have the experience to actually act like a productive and self-sufficient mature and capable human being as a free person in a free society. It was the privileged few living in king's palaces or off of the dole of patronage that could afford to be that immature for so long.

Until the 20th Century 1/3 of women died in childbirth. Most people had 4 or 5 if not 7 or 8 siblings. Half of your siblings didn't live to their 30s. Everyone knew several people close to them who had died by the time they were young adults. Many children watched a sibling or parent die.

The ghost story was a way of dealing with it and one of the more or less common past-times was the dreadful story. Victorian society often told dreadful stories as cautionary tales to help assess risk and reward. If told just for the fun of it it was considered "naughty" (naughty meaning coming to naught, worthless or a waste of time). The ghost story more often than not took on the form of a morality tale. :)

Rateria

Narland wrote:Before mass electronic media people told each other stories verbally and in print to entertain themselves. The English speaking world was very good at it. Just like the average 20th century American boogerhead had all the tools at his disposal to be a great musician (even if he didn't have the talent for or commitment to it).

19th Century the Anglosphere was fertile in creating a civilization of great storytellers, (even if particular individuals didn't have the innate talent for it). The average English speaker could entertain with family stories much like sharing family recipes. Print media disseminated some of the better stories.

Living life got you killed. But life is an adventure and it is worth living. It is both dreadful and wonderful. Reality wasn't hidden from children until they discover it by accident as adults. Life, labor, procreation, death, duty, and obligation were taught as soon as the child could grasp the concepts.

There were no such things as teenagers. At 14 you were expected to start the trek of life to start standing on your own two feet. By 18-21 one was expected to have the experience to actually act like a productive and self-sufficient mature and capable human being as a free person in a free society. It was the privileged few living in king's palaces or off of the dole of patronage that could afford to be that immature for so long.

Until the 20th Century 1/3 of women died in childbirth. Most people had 4 or 5 if not 7 or 8 siblings. Half of your siblings didn't live to their 30s. Everyone knew several people close to them who had died by the time they were young adults. Many children watched a sibling or parent die.

The ghost story was a way of dealing with it and one of the more or less common past-times was the dreadful story. Victorian society often told dreadful stories as cautionary tales to help assess risk and reward. If told just for the fun of it it was considered "naughty" (naughty meaning coming to naught, worthless or a waste of time). The ghost story more often than not took on the form of a morality tale. :)

I was trying to make a joke. On another note I do wish our society could still hold on to those old ideas of maturity and tradition.

Narland

Narland wrote:John Kendrick Bangs - The Water Ghost of Harrowby Hall?

That's it! It's bothered me for years that I couldn't remember the name of that story, but I read it and it's the right one. Thank you!

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Narland wrote:Before mass electronic media people told each other stories verbally and in print to entertain themselves. The English speaking world was very good at it. Just like the average 20th century American boogerhead had all the tools at his disposal to be a great musician (even if he didn't have the talent for or commitment to it) :)

I don't think anyone born after 1995 will be capable of creating good stories. The prime story forming years have just been taken up by: let me show you this cool video

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:I don't think anyone born after 1995 will be capable of creating good stories. The prime story forming years have just been taken up by: let me show you this cool video

That's why we should hold off on electronics with kids

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:That's why we should hold off on electronics with kids

Everyone I know isn't going to give their kids electronics. I don't know what's with older parents especially that will complain about technology then plop their kid infront of a tablet all day

Narland, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:That's why we should hold off on electronics with kids

Miri Islands wrote:Everyone I know isn't going to give their kids electronics. I don't know what's with older parents especially that will complain about technology then plop their kid infront of a tablet all day

I had to go to the high school (as a grade school and jr high kid) and connect the teletype terminal to something called OSCAR to access the (D)ARPA-net. I could text an honest question or a hard academic problem and get a response from an actual scientist or military person. I sneaked on a few times to play Star Trek and chess on teletype. Once or twice we played a game of Star Trek with someone stationed at NORAD. Those were the days. The Internet was pretty "kewl" before the corporations and politicians got on and messed it all up. :)

The young couples around us, and many at our church are pretty strict about electronic devices. The younger the couple the more strict they seem to be. No personal electronic devices for their kids that can access the Internet. The strict parents' kids have limited access to TV /Video if at all. It's nearly all books, family interaction, friends and neighbors (neighborhood/church interaction) for entertainment.

One set of friends have a dedicated pc used as a "learning terminal" for home-school with tightly restricted internet access and helicopter parental supervision. The kids have flip phones (or dumbed down/crippled touchscreen phones) with a whitelist until they are 14 to 16. Some kids around here won't get a phone or the Internet until they get a job and pay for one on their own.

My hunch is that these kids will grow up smarter and more capable than those who kids that are allowed to lose themselves (and their lives, hearts and minds) to the Social Media manipulators on the Internet.

Rateria, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:I was trying to make a joke. On another note I do wish our society could still hold on to those old ideas of maturity and tradition.

Sorry. When I am too tired, I go into "teacher" mode -- or as my nephews put it "uncle mode." I would blame the tbi induced autism, but the truth is that text has always been harder for me to judge in context than with in-person communication.

Narland wrote:I had to go to the high school (as a grade school and jr high kid) and connect the teletype terminal to something called OSCAR to access the (D)ARPA-net. I could text an honest question or a hard academic problem and get a response from an actual scientist or military person. I sneaked on a few times to play Star Trek and chess on teletype. Once or twice we played a game of Star Trek with someone stationed at NORAD. Those were the days. The Internet was pretty "kewl" before the corporations and politicians got on and messed it all up. :)

The young couples around us, and many at our church are pretty strict about electronic devices. The younger the couple the more strict they seem to be. No personal electronic devices for their kids that can access the Internet. The strict parents' kids have limited access to TV /Video if at all. It's nearly all books, family interaction, friends and neighbors (neighborhood/church interaction) for entertainment.

One set of friends have a dedicated pc used as a "learning terminal" for home-school with tightly restricted internet access and helicopter parental supervision. The kids have flip phones (or dumbed down/crippled touchscreen phones) with a whitelist until they are 14 to 16. Some kids around here won't get a phone or the Internet until they get a job and pay for one on their own.

My hunch is that these kids will grow up smarter and more capable than those who kids that are allowed to lose themselves (and their lives, hearts and minds) to the Social Media manipulators on the Internet.

My niece and nephew have the best imaginations be system their screen time is regulated

Narland, Miri Islands

Anybody know if it's worth it to spring for high quality weather stripping? I've always been of the mind that "That's how they get you." and just buy the cheapest one, but I was wondering if the pricey stuff actually provides better insulation. Maybe it's diminishing returns.

Skaveria wrote:Anybody know if it's worth it to spring for high quality weather stripping? I've always been of the mind that "That's how they get you." and just buy the cheapest one, but I was wondering if the pricey stuff actually provides better insulation. Maybe it's diminishing returns.

Depends on what you have to work with, what you will ultimately be satisfied with, and the capability of the tradesmen installing them. Once your mind is made regarding material type and your overall requirements, I would get in touch with as many vendors as possible for quotes; check for reviews and opinions, determine their reputation and skill. Also, getting down on paper their after-sales services and warranty details to help assess the total deal. Once you are sure you will be satisfied. You may be living there for a while. :)

If this is a DYI then do the same regarding the materials you will be using.

I am partial to double-pane windows in coated aluminum, durable v strips and for under the doors magnetic door sweeps.

On MLK day let's remember the legacy of a man who wished for unification and peace between all peoples. Let's not let the cultural Marxists divide us by race, class, or creed.

Miencraft, Narland, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:On MLK day let's remember the legacy of a man who wished for unification and peace between all peoples. Let's not let the cultural Marxists divide us by race, class, or creed.

Let's also not forget he was assassinated by the FBI after speaking out against the war in Vietnam.

Narland, Auxorii

Narland wrote:

The strict parents' kids have limited access to TV /Video if at all. It's nearly all books, family interaction, friends and neighbors (neighborhood/church interaction) for entertainment.

Me as a parent: I hope you like veggietales kid

Narland

Post by The States Of Balloon suppressed by Auxorii.

The States Of Balloon

imma be honest, MLK was one crazy nigga

The States Of Balloon wrote:imma be honest, MLK was one crazy nigga

I don't really know much about him aside from what I learned in school which let's be honest is almost certainly propaganda

Narland, Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:I don't really know much about him aside from what I learned in school which let's be honest is almost certainly propaganda

Biden said George Floyd's death meant more than mlks

The States Of Balloon wrote:imma be honest, MLK was one crazy nigga

Not funny at all.

Auxorii wrote:Not funny at all.

NO FUN ALLOWED

Highway Eighty-Eight

Miri Islands wrote:NO FUN ALLOWED

There’s a difference between fun and calling MLK a “crazy ass racial slur”. If you seriously can’t tell that line, you must be in middle school or just seriously mentally deficient.

Like it wasn’t even clever. I have no patience for unnecessary edginess that is just basic disrespect. Especially when it is over a screen like this, it’s just absurd and if you are going to justify it as “fun” then you are just seriously juvenile and need more respect for other people. There is a difference between having respect and conducting yourself decently and being a snowflake.

Miencraft

Auxorii wrote:There’s a difference between fun and calling MLK a “crazy ass racial slur”. If you seriously can’t tell that line, you must be in middle school or just seriously mentally deficient.

Lol he didn't even use hard r. Take a chill pill before you have an aneurysm because somebody called someone black instead of African American

Miri Islands wrote:Lol he didn't even use hard r. Take a chill pill before you have an aneurysm because somebody called someone black instead of African American

Auxorii wrote:Like it wasn’t even clever. I have no patience for unnecessary edginess that is just basic disrespect. Especially when it is over a screen like this, it’s just absurd and if you are going to justify it as “fun” then you are just seriously juvenile and need more respect for other people. There is a difference between having respect and conducting yourself decently and being a snowflake.
while I think that

Balloon was just trying to make a joke, you still have to be careful, after all the Internet is forever and someone is bound to misconstrue a joke into something it's not. Auxorii is just making sure our region isn't looked down upon as being racist, especially as we try and grow. I don't think it's an overreaction and that's coming from someone who despises cancel culture and pcness.

Narland, Auxorii

Miri Islands wrote:Lol he didn't even use hard r. Take a chill pill before you have an aneurysm because somebody called someone black instead of African American

You sound dumb as hell

Auxorii wrote:You sound dumb as hell

Sensing alot of hostility over a literal nothing burger. This is pearl clutching moral panic non-sense. If you care so much about growing the region, nothing turns away people more than leadership that freaks out over nothing

I understand the humor of it, every good joke needs an exaggeration or a comparison. Thinking about how eloquent MLK was when he spoke juxtaposed with that phrase, along with the fact that many did consider him crazy at that time DID make me chuckle.

However, it was also a tad inappropriate, and I understand why some folks are uncomfortable with that language. Neither of you are wrong.

Miri Islands

Miri Islands wrote:Sensing alot of hostility over a literal nothing burger. This is pearl clutching moral panic non-sense. If you care so much about growing the region, nothing turns away people more than leadership that freaks out over nothing

ItÂ’s not hostility, itÂ’s just annoyance over stupidity. How can you compare calling someone a racial slur with calling someone black rather than African-American? ItÂ’s not even close to the same thing - one is a literal racial slur.

Oh, but itÂ’s not “with the hard r”, rightÂ

While I greatly grieve the ejection of our dear friend and long-time ‘Tatemite, Balloon, who has been struck down by the anti-libertarian socialists who run our regions, I congratulate our region for deciding that people should be punished for offending me. You may not criticize me, myself, those I like, or the state.

You may mock Mother Mary.

Auxorii wrote:ItÂ’s not hostility, itÂ’s just annoyance over stupidity. How can you compare calling someone a racial slur with calling someone black rather than African-American? ItÂ’s not even close to the same thing - one is a literal racial slur.

Oh, but it’s not “with the hard r”, right…

🥔

Skaveria wrote:I understand the humor of it, every good joke needs an exaggeration or a comparison. Thinking about how eloquent MLK was when he spoke juxtaposed with that phrase, along with the fact that many did consider him crazy at that time DID make me chuckle.

However, it was also a tad inappropriate, and I understand why some folks are uncomfortable with that language. Neither of you are wrong.

One used force, some one has to be wrong. Coercion is murder, or something.

Auxorii wrote:There’s a difference between fun and calling MLK a “crazy ass racial slur”.

I thought it was fun.

Miri Islands

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:While I greatly grieve the ejection of our dear friend and long-time ‘Tatemite, Balloon, who has been struck down by the anti-libertarian socialists who run our regions, I congratulate our region for deciding that people should be punished for offending me. You may not criticize me, myself, those I like, or the state.

You may mock Mother Mary.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:One used force, some one has to be wrong. Coercion is murder, or something.

DonÂ’t construe this as some statist thing, thatÂ’s philosophically dishonest.

Auxorii wrote:DonÂ’t construe this as some statist thing, thatÂ’s philosophically dishonest.

*Does statist* ... *not to be construed as statist thing*

Miri Islands

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:*Does statist* ... *not to be construed as statist thing*

Right; and the military is the largest socialist program in America.

Post by Miri Islands suppressed by a moderator.

Post by Auxorii suppressed by a moderator.

Following recent moderator action, our regionÂ’s board of directors has decided to officially ban circles, and people who have decided, through poor lifestyle choices, to become circles, build circles, draw circles, or otherwise aid and assist circles. Circles, from the roundabouts to Michael Moore, will be immediately removed.

Circles are the primary cause of all the worldÂ’s problems, being incapable, by their nature, to render a square deal.

***Holy PG-13 Explicative! When Did I Become My Grandparents? Alert***

When I was a kid my grandmother said to never write on a postcard what you wouldn't put on a highway billboard for the whole world to see. Same thing applies to the Internet. Do not put into the Internet anything that you wouldn't put on a billboard for the whole world to see (permanently).

***End HPG-13EWDIBMG Alert***

Suzi Island wrote:On MLK day let's remember the legacy of a man who wished for unification and peace between all peoples. Let's not let the cultural Marxists divide us by race, class, or creed.
Agreed.

MLK was a mixed bag. He drew water from many wells, even in the same thesis. One paragraph may be drawn from the the typical pre-cultural revolution verbage of innately antidespotic American Liberty (that would make any Liberty loving person proud) and the next is using the verbage of Marxist propagandists with its innately deceptive dialectics of Socialism (that would bellyfeelgood any 60s revolutionary, let alone today's postmodern unthinker). He was very poor at documenting his sources to the point of plagiarism in many cases, such that the entirety of his collected works cannot be published without herculean effort that even his own estate is 50 years in the editing and nowhere near completion.

the Good: He was a preacher of righteousness. He spoke out against injustice. He believed in a color-blind society. He was Evangelical Christian, pro-American, anti-Democrat, pro-Constituon, and for honest/fair trade unions. He supported pro-republican efforts to use the NRA to arm and train minorities to protect themselves in Democrat held hellholds like Alabama, Mississippi, DC, and Chicago against the Democrat's KKK and other bigots.

the Bad: He was a muddled thinker. He had deep moral failings as a human being beyond the societal norms of the time. He was the target of a concerted disinformation and entrapment campaign by LBJ Administration and the FBI such that we may never be able to find out if his criminal predilections were actual or manufactured.

the Ugly: He stated himself as anti-Communist but seemed unaware of Communist beliefs and tactics. At times he fell into the Social(ist) Gospel trap of Marxist propaganda. There are times his writings make a clear distinction and times when they are confused and confounded. He was assassinated before we found out if he were to become a Marxist sell-out like Jesse Jackson or a stalwart of Civil Liberties champion (in which case the media, academia, and partisan politics he would insure he be relegated to obscurity).

Miri Islands

[[[Social => interactive general good in and of itself by mutually respective individuals in a free and open society. (VS) Socialism => perversion of the general good to promote the politics of covetousness, envy, strife, and hate to further a Marxian/Statist agenda usually under the guise of "progress." Once attained it is further used by dedicated Marxists to destabilize what social order remains to the eventual violent overthrow of society by malcontents of that very society so that their mutual enslavement by the new order can ensue. "Social" in the Marxian sense is anti-social derangement in the Americanist sense.]]]

Balloon is balloon. I don't like everything Balloon posts, but I will defend with my fingers the typing of Baloon to post it.

Miri Islands

Interestingly, MLK, knowingly or unknowingly, quoted the Buddha during a sermon at least once.

Narland wrote:***Holy PG-13 Explicative! When Did I Become My Grandparents? Alert***

When I was a kid my grandmother said to never write on a postcard what you wouldn't put on a highway billboard for the whole world to see. Same thing applies to the Internet. Do not put into the Internet anything that you wouldn't put on a billboard for the whole world to see (permanently).

***End HPG-13EWDIBMG Alert***

there is not a single moment where i have not lived by that principle

With all the tensions in Ukraine I'm counting down till I hear Biden say something to the effect of: we have secured peace in our times

Miri Islands wrote:With all the tensions in Ukraine I'm counting down till I hear Biden say something to the effect of: we have secured peace in our times
I have to apologize to Jimmy Carter, as he is no longer the worst president. I can imagine them spinning a worst case scenario as sudden precipitation of mostly peaceful balls of instant sunshine around 60 million Kelvins that help stop gentrification of our major cities.

The Statists in the "'Rational' Administrative State" are hellbent for pleather to demonize Russians, who seem no more corrupt than the Bidens, Palosis, Cheneys, and McCains among us. The entire apparatus is rotten to the core and needs a good cleaning. Are we really expected to to care more about corruption 5000 mi/8000 km away when similar abuses are staring us in our faces in our very own country? Don't even get me started on caring about their borders when we don't give a damn about our own.

This is a good reason to support mandatory term limits for all federal employees. After 4 years every bureaucrat would have to prove that they were more efficient, effective, and serviceable than their free enterprise equivalent, or let go. Set up a civil service recruiter program managed by the several States on behalf of the Federal Govt as a check and a balance to corrupt practices. And actually start throwing them in jail for their waste, fraud, abuse, deprivation of rights under color of authority, misprisions of felony, ad nauseam.

In the early 2000s the Russian ambassador begged the Bush Administration to let them into NATO. As a concession they offered to let the German govt oversee, monitor and co-staff their military bases as a show of good faith. Let that sink in. Germans allowed into the Russian military bases without firing a shot. The idiot Rhodes scholars instead of seeing an historic opportunity of milieu changing proportions told iirc Mendelev? it might have beenTorpolov(sp)?) that "we" needed a big bad beatstick to center our efforts on and they (the Russians) were it.

Yet another guns and butter forever-war.

Miencraft, Miri Islands

Ejecting Balloon was a mistake, even if this whole thing made the modstapo pay attention to us. Freedom of speech is important.

And I understand " Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, this is a private region yadayada," but aren't we supposed to be upholding Libertarian ideals? Like, I dunno, not exiling people for words?

Miri Islands

Just a quick disclaimer I'm not advocating for Marx I'm laying down context for why it's utopian but idiotic considering human nature. So i watched some videos on Marx and I have to say it does sound somewhat utopian in some areas. There's this idea of socially necessary work which means people should be required to work just enough to meet society's needs. In his speculation it'd only be a few hours a day assuming it's an industrialized nation and the rest would be devoted to the higher pursuits of leasure. Sounds great. If we limit the amount of time we have to work to a minimum every person can go and pursue their full potential as humans. Consider someone like myself then, my hobby consists of restoring old cars. Every day I gain valuable experience and learn new skills making my higher pursuits of leasure exactly what he envisioned. I gave commies the benefit of the doubt and assumed they might embody the ideas of Marx. After all they label themselves as such. When asked about what they'd do with their free time after the revolution. There was nothing to be found in terms of higher pursuits in their leasure. Many would say something to the effect of playing video games browsing social media, if they were feeling daring they would say they'd make art which consists of digital characters like one would find in a Twitter profile picture. These commies prove that human nature will not allow communism as Marx envisioned to ever exist. Commies and marxists see that they can do the bare minimum and exist to do nothing and leap at the opportunity calling for the revolution because capitalism has failed. Meanwhile people like myself who wish to be productive with their free time see that there is an alternative, capitalism, which rewards pro-society behavior. Creating value with ones labor is a cancerous thought for self proclaimed commies as they truely desire to do nothing while people slave away for them. They wish to destroy capitalism because it allows others to do the work they want while they must carry the burden of the socially necessary work. Nothing quite fills these commies with rage like watching those who have higher pursuits of leasure do the jobs they want that are more productive while they work in an Amazon warehouse.

Hopefully my rant is coherent

Narland, Skaveria

Miri Islands wrote:Just a quick disclaimer I'm not advocating for Marx I'm laying down context for why it's utopian but idiotic considering human nature. So i watched some videos on Marx and I have to say it does sound somewhat utopian in some areas. There's this idea of socially necessary work which means people should be required to work just enough to meet society's needs. In his speculation it'd only be a few hours a day assuming it's an industrialized nation and the rest would be devoted to the higher pursuits of leasure. Sounds great. If we limit the amount of time we have to work to a minimum every person can go and pursue their full potential as humans. Consider someone like myself then, my hobby consists of restoring old cars. Every day I gain valuable experience and learn new skills making my higher pursuits of leasure exactly what he envisioned. I gave commies the benefit of the doubt and assumed they might embody the ideas of Marx. After all they label themselves as such. When asked about what they'd do with their free time after the revolution. There was nothing to be found in terms of higher pursuits in their leasure. Many would say something to the effect of playing video games browsing social media, if they were feeling daring they would say they'd make art which consists of digital characters like one would find in a Twitter profile picture. These commies prove that human nature will not allow communism as Marx envisioned to ever exist. Commies and marxists see that they can do the bare minimum and exist to do nothing and leap at the opportunity calling for the revolution because capitalism has failed. Meanwhile people like myself who wish to be productive with their free time see that there is an alternative, capitalism, which rewards pro-society behavior. Creating value with ones labor is a cancerous thought for self proclaimed commies as they truely desire to do nothing while people slave away for them. They wish to destroy capitalism because it allows others to do the work they want while they must carry the burden of the socially necessary work. Nothing quite fills these commies with rage like watching those who have higher pursuits of leasure do the jobs they want that are more productive while they work in an Amazon warehouse.

Hopefully my rant is coherent

The "rant" is understandable, and I haven't even had morning coffee yet. Some paragraphing would help, but as far as content, I concur.

My problem is forgetting that most Marxists cannot be reasoned with because their default mindset is that of a learned narcissistic pathological liar who gaslights with all the charm of a sweet talking serial spousal abuser. Always trying to change the talking points to what the abuser thinks the victim wants or needs to hear to continue his never-ending series of dialectic syntheses to its ultimately tragic (and unforeseen to everyone but the Marxist manipulator himself) ends.

I was just on the "White supremacist site hacked, illegal activities exposed" thread and made the mistake of responding to an insufferable egotist. I had to call it quits. He/She would rather obfuscate and make personal attacks than discuss the points.

Miri Islands

It probably didnt help that I am running on 4 hours sleep in the last two days. The less sleep the stronger the autistic tendencies. When up all night I get ornery and persnickety. I need to just stay off of nationstates in such event and not engage the forum threads in General, no matter how much my foggy bain wants to.

Today is National Measure Your Feet Day. Only a seller of brannok devices could come up with that one. I would like to start a "Make Up Your Own Holiday Day where everyone makes up a holiday. Everyone has to guess what everyone else came up with. Kind of like figuring out what is in a Congressional Spending Bill but not as consequential. :)

Narland wrote:Today is National Measure Your Feet Day. Only a seller of brannok devices could come up with that one. I would like to start a "Make Up Your Own Holiday Day where everyone makes up a holiday. Everyone has to guess what everyone else came up with. Kind of like figuring out what is in a Congressional Spending Bill but not as consequential. :)

To find out what my holiday is you have to celebrate it first

Narland

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