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Region: Libertatem
Look, man, we're essentially anti-Communist, and there are plenty of moderate Communists (many of whom are our friends) that recognize the hammer and sickle as a symbol of tyranny and whatnot.
I don't think we really need anything more.
Lolwat? How does it look "Arab?"
I can always make it a bolder color of yellow, although the buff color has significance.
Like i said, we can vote on it, and I can fine tune it if needed.
If anyone else as a specific idea in mind, just ask me and I can make it, as long as it isn't too complicated or inappropriate.
Make one with boobies on it.
http://www.factzoo.com/sites/all/img/birds/two-blue-footed-boobies.jpg
Anyhow, here's a blue version of Lib's flag with the ancap symbols removed.
Why blue? Because the background of our flag is blue, silly person.
http://i.imgur.com/GLKVgsP.png
check mate
https://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/rflags/libertatem__982885.png
Okay, here is the same flag with bolder colors:
http://i60.tinypic.com/2agiko.png
I dislike too complicated shapes in flags because it ruins the meaning, simpler flags with more hidden meanings are largely better to use. Case in point: All the tricolor flags we see in Europe. More complicated shapes will also in turn make it harder to see from a distance.
I tend to stay away from the cross as it is generally associated with Christianity, imo
Wot.
It's, like, a pale and a fess. I don't get what's so Christian about a pale and a fess.
http://www.atacrossroads.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/jesus-cross-salvation-cheap-grace.jpg
http://www.paulcarlislekettler.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Sweden.jpg
There's a pretty big difference between a plus sign and a crucifix, man.
*facepalm*
The cross on all Nordic flags, plus England, are from Christianity.
For ex:
https://www.google.com/#q=flag+of+sweden
It's my flag, man. It'll symbolize Christianity if I want it to. And I don't want it to. So therefore it doesn't. [/ignorantAmerican] In fact, I highly doubt most people will look at what's basically a plus and see Christian symbolism. Y'know how I know that? It's two intersecting lines (intersecting lines that, interestingly enough, are each perfectly centered with the flag), and most people aren't going to see two intersecting lines that don't look like they're at different levels and see a cross. I don't look at a crescent and think of Islam. Hell, I didn't even know those flags had anything to do with Christianity, and I know a lot of things.
Sure, the official term for it among those fluent in flag-knowledge is "cross", but that applies to almost anything that crosses over anything else, now doesn't it?
It symbolizes Christianity.
You can make the cross in the Libertatem flag not represent Christianity, but to the majority of people who know about heraldry and flag design, it represents Christianity.
Plus, the hammer and sickle with the strike through it is being nailed to the cross, like a crucifixion. Kinda silly imo
"And I'm glad to hear, people have asked me about your flag xD I think the "its their tradition" card might wear off with more uses ^_^"
-Zenny.
So how are we going to keep on justifying using the crossed out hammer and sickle to our new allies, even as our priorities have changed? Yes, the hammer and sickle represents bolshevism, but it also tends to be associated with communism as a whole, and there are a lot of other people who think of that, or see us as hypocrites, or whatever, for flying that flag.
This region WAS NOT the same region as it was originally conceived as. We have made new allies and have new priorities. It's about time the region was recognized doing such.
"Crucifixion was used for slaves, pirates, and enemies of the state. It was considered a most shameful and disgraceful way to die." ~Wikipedia
Not the most credible source, but people have used less credible for more important things.
Then why are we crucifying the ideal of anti-communism? :p
Graffiti.
You know who we should ask about what he sees in the flag?
Lib, the guy using it.
Let's get our priorities straight, shall we?
1.) We are not a "right-wing" region. (attention, nutjobs of the Internationale). We used to be, for the short time we were allied with GGR and the fascists. However, as politics changes, so does the region. Nobody now claims that modern Germany is nazi. And just like that, nobody should claim that our region is fascist. The current flag, in my opinion, is a relic from that time that must be discarded.
2.) We instead are a libertarian (small l) region, devoted solely to the ideas of liberty in all its forms, and one of our goals is to eliminate tyranny and authoritarianism in all of its forms, whether it is Stalinist, Fascist, Legalist, Theocratic, or whatever. We invite anyone who shares our belief in eliminating tyranny; liberals, conservatives, Libertarians, social democrats, yes even communists that do not act like hypocrites.
[B]I urge the president to adopt this new mantra, this new manifest destiny where we writ our name on. I urge all Libertatemites to not cling to "tradition" as a means of preserving tyranny, like many modern conservatives of the US do.[/B]
#StandwithMinerva
But it would be hetter if the snake was holding a musket. Minerva you have my support. Its time for a new era in libertatem history!
Nothing better than a flag to wave around to hold pride in. A universally accepted symbol of "follow the leader".
The old flag shows what we are against;communism. Do we want to appear as just republicans. Republicans mostly talk about whzt they are against and rarely speak of an alternate route. We must show what we are for and not just what we are against.
You sure are passionate.
Anyways, I think it's about time I get a new computer.
Lately, I'm lucky if this thing only crashes once per day.
Maybe I should open it and see what could be wrong inside. I've had it for ~5 years and only opened it once to add a new graphics card.
Says the person with a flag in her nation.
Anyway, like I have been saying, put a poll with the choices as links to each flag (along with the choice to keep the old flag) so we can democratically vote on it. It's the fairest way in deciding something at the moment.
Post self-deleted by Miencraft.
Or that.
I was thinking I'd toss the options into a factbook, number them, and then have the choices correspond to the numbers.
And, of course, an option to keep the current flag.
Sometimes I wish these posts had edit options.
Let's do that then. I like that idea.
If your trying to imply that I'm being hypocritical, I'd like to point out that it's seemingly impossible for you to have no flag on this game. However, even if that were the case I would not do so. My nation does not have to be representative of my viewpoints. Lastly, my comment was on the subject of how many of you are being riled up over a flag change. However, I do see how it could be perceived as that I did not like the idea of a regional flag, and for that you have my apologies.
Speaking of flags, I haven't forgotten about the one you ordered. I'll get to it eventually...
A flag is representative of you as a national flag is representative of a nation. Whether the latter is fundamentally collectivist notion is debatable, perhaps, but it is useful solely as an identification marker. That being said, I am very symbolic person that loves pictures and the ideas behind it, and I know that the regional flag is one of the first main things that people look to before making a judgment of a region. Therefore, it is crucial that we get an non-offensive flag that we can all agree on, and offers others a view on what our region represents.
Cool, thank you!
I moded mivs fantastic flag.
Lvl while wearing my confederate flag shirt.
I am a bit curious as to why a region that is so heavily involved in a war against communism or rather, authoritarianism, is considering a different flag that is a bit "less offensive". I'm no citizen here of course, so take my opinion lightly if at all.
Not offensive to some of our allies, who happen to be libertarian communists, mainly.
We are called libertatem not anticommunismtem.
Get a white slate on paint and load it as your flag.
A pure white flag means surrender.
lol
He must be french.
It's Ironic.
As an Capitalistic Anarchist does not surrender any freedoms. Everyone else does surrender freedoms. Thus a flag of surrender for an anarchy is Ironic.
In the name of Humpheria, you shall not pass with that jab at the French.
Lol
Honhonhon baguette Pareee baguette honhonhon
*looks at Miencraft poignantly*
Aren't you supposed to be running a region or something?
I'm on lunch break or something.
That's when I make fun of the French.
Its the evening....
I think that's the joke.
[U]War Department Communiqué
I advise that the State Department work with the President to significantly reduce the number of embassies we have. Many regions that are connected to us are either dead, irrelevant or ideologically meaningless. We should reconsider having ties to certain regions - who may well be targets for our enemies.
State Department Communiqué
I note the War Department's Communiqué and plan to heed his advice.
*Pulls out Suit and puts a CFN tab on it*
[B] Commonwealth Diplomacy to Libertatem
We here in CFN would like to make sure that the Libertatem-Commonwealth Embassy is secured and it will not be among the ones that are closed. We wish to inform you that while staying Non-Interventionist in your exploits that we still value our embassy with which we currently hold with you. It allows for steady cooperation between our two regions when needed and a better cooperation between the Citizens of both Libertatem and The Commonwealth.
We hope that you take this into account when it comes to the closing off of your embassies and we hope for future cooperation between the Commonwealth and Libertatem.
I'm having an identity crisis. I'm unwilling to try cappuccino lays flavored potato chips, but just willingly tried a dorito labeled Jacked: spicy street taco".
That was actually the first thing I noticed when I got the job. Dead embassies.
Time to fix that.
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biches
Here's the new proposed flag (reference tag)
http://i60.tinypic.com/2agiko.png
Congratulations to myself, Snabagag, Minerva, Muh Roads and Lack There Of for "least dedicated public healthcare in Libertatem"! :D
MuhRoadsCare program works.
"Government I'm sick!"
Aww. Here have this,
http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/MjAxMi03MTEyMjk4MGEzYjlkOGYy.png
But... but... MUH FREE HEALTHCARE
In the past hour, this computer crashed five times.
I think I need a new one.
The funny thing is, I actually once did give my citizens free healthcare in an issue, since I knew I could do it without raising taxes.
+1 for libertarianism
-1. Unless it's a voucher system then that can go to hell.
I did something like that too, and i'm second last in the region.
I'll support a somewhat universal Healthcare system, but a very minor one.
The Amarican Empire has basic or full free healthcare. I dont remember which.
so much for a RLP Tyranny I am a Libertarian Police State. :)
Every time someone says "RLP Tyranny", I keep thinking "RIP Tyranny".
I can't become a right wing nation.
All the policies I would enact in real life make me a Centrist or Socialist nation....
Fun Fact: Full Universal Healthcare is cheaper than basic Healthcare on a country standpoint. So Universal Healthcare is better in all actuality economically speaking then the Democrats and Greens plan for Healthcare.
I did a thing with my free time.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=87022
"You go enjoy your freedom or I'll shoot!"
"I locked this guy up because he was sitting in the street begging for people to rule him."
No it's not.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47717000/gif/_47717500_nhs_spending2_466.gif
Der Kaiser wishes to protect the economic and social rights of his people and sees Democratic governments as paths to corruption and the trashing of economic and social rights.
A story about freedom:
I was playing EU4 once and some revolutionary rebels spawned to take my capital.
I didn't even interfere, just let those guys overthrow the monarchy and institute democracy.
Hooray for rebellion.
The spontaneous order at work!
Thank you Hayek!
Videogames: The Libertarian Way
I learned like 75% of what I know about the world from videogames.
Then I go and actually learn that stuff and it's exactly the same as I remember it from those games. Good times.
Was basic healthcare, yeah.
I pretend it was a voucher system. But I still used no taxes. :p
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/16/once-again-u-s-has-most-expensive-least-effective-health-care-system-in-survey/
America only has the 11th BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!!! SHOCKING!!!! I SAY WE TAX THE RICH TO MAKE IT THE -35236th BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!!1
I don't see how this proves anything, especially when the US government spends trillions on healthcare every year.
You said the point I'm making.
The U.S Healthcare is more expensive and less effective then countries with National Healthcare.
Oh, right. That's true, but state healthcare will probably cost as much, if not even more.
But if all these other countries have NHC and are cheaper and more efficient than ours then...if we made it universal thwn would our Healthcare get better?
No, because right now the state partially subsidises healthcare costs. A full subsidisation would cost so much more.
But it doesn't in these Full Healthcare Places...
Costs more than it would to not do that. More than what they're used to, though? Obviously not.
But it's also more efficient.
I know of very few things where more expensive = more efficient.
America is a very different country. Statist principles that work in other countries just don't apply in the United States.
But it's also more efficient.
But it's also more efficient.
I heard you the first time, man.
War Department Communiqué
As many of you know, Libertatem and a coalition of diverse regions opposed to imperialism have launched an invasion of the Congress Of Armed Proletarian States. CAPS is essentially a pact of State Communist regions that collaborate to advance "socialism" across NationStates - by force. Many of their member states - which include North Korea, Das Kommune, The Communist Region, Communist China and The Internationale - have either attacked us in the past or are at war with us. View some of the comments they've made about us on their RMB:
"The people of North Korea will never stand with allies of Libertatem. We must work to destroy the leaves of that tree wherever they grow."
"It's time to concentrate on the 'armed' part of this congress. Use all forces necessary to attack REATO, Libertatem, and every region connected to them."
"Targets [for CAPS to attack] should be anyone with embassies/connections to Libertatem/REATO."
From these comments and intelligence that we had gathered, we knew that CAPS was far too dangerous for us to ignore. So, we have assembled a coalition to invade, occupy and destroy this region. The mission is ongoing, but so far it has been successful. We have reached [B]31 endorsers[/B] and repelled a pathetic attempt by the statists to overthrow the occupation. We are working very well with our allies The Communist Bloc, Anti Authoritarian Alliance and our Reato partners.
I have telegrammed many of you about this matter. I will do so again - [B]all who are interested should send a puppet nation to CAPS to endorse [nation=short]Gorilla Warfare[/nation].[/B] Send me a telegram for the password.
I don't know how long we'll be here. I don't even know if we'll win. But I do know that we've mounted a courageous effort to rid the game of its greatest parasites - those who prey on the weak under the guise of helping them. And as much as the left will try to downplay this and mock us for whatever negligible thing they can think of, we'll know that they'd be unwise to dismiss our military capabilities in the future.
God bless the Republic of Libertatem!
I remember back when I established - and later, disbanded - REATO's precursor-of-sorts: The Anti-Communist International, or Anticomintern. It was an organization that fell into the hands of the left because I was not careful enough to secure it after shutting it down. It was a dark time, when fascists were permitted to join in our endeavors - key word "permitted", as none of the fascist regions I contacted had anything remotely useful to contribute to the fight for freedom. It was also a time when I wasn't aware of the sincerity of libertarian communists (I would have definitely rethought the name had I known there were good guys on the left as well). The Anticomintern organization was ultimately unsuccessful in what it set out to do, and was swept up by the fascists-painted-crimson (who claimed that it had been a territory of GGR despite all evidence to the contrary).
At long last, justice has finally come: As with the olden organization we in the libertarian right desperately established, so too with the similar failure the authoritarian left now possesses. CAPS was not properly maintained nor the least bit effective in suppressing the forces of freedom, yet it was an organization of ideological significance to the fascists-painted-crimson. This bastion of evil that has bound tyrants in terrible unity will now fall to the forces of free regions, thus completing the long-awaited exchange for our fallen first outpost of liberty.
Totalitarianism cannot prevail; now many advocates of liberty on political left and right alike are taking the fight to the statists, whether their banners run ebony or scarlet. I encourage you all to join us in our effort to roll back the destructive influence the authoritarians have on NationStates.
I guess....
Anyway,
are we voting on a new flag or not?
Don't forget Glorious Nations Of Iwaku! We are helping as well. have 4 endorsements there now and possibly 6 more coming if they'd get off their lazy butts!
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