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Horse.
I don't even understand half of that, but HELL YES. It's a business. Businesses pay taxes. Why should a church where people are fooled into paying to absolve themselves of sins be treated any differently than a business? That's what they do, and they make you feel bad if you don't put money in the dish thing. Every church ever:
"We are all sinners and we all do things that are bad. You are all awful people, but you can find redemption... somehow. Okay let's pass the dish now, we encourage everyone to donate! *pastor starts whispering* you sinners."
That isn't fair. If God had any actual power he would just create mounds of money so the church could feed all of the people that way, wouldn't he? He has infinite power, right? So why would he help out all these starving people, you big dumb idiot?
And the only thing the church contributes to society is the mental installment of slavery to get fools like you to donate and keep feeding priests or popes pockets, not hungry people.
What....oh...
HOLD ON NOW!
1. A religion is not a business. Business pay their workers. Religious...SOME RELIGIONS do not.
2. A religion is not a governments business. If it was taxed then government could begin regulating religion. Take a look at USSR to see an example
3. It's voluntary charity. Pastors never say someone is awful...well....depends actually. But at this point that's just bashing it and has no place in this discussion.
4. That's not how god does things. He tests people to see if they are righteous
5. My religion doesn't pay the clergy. So don't go saying I'm being enslaved. Because at that point your trailing off the discussion at hand and straight in bashing and slander (Technically Libel)
Now I will not have sex with a horse. Okay?
Lets get that through your head.
No longer commenting on this matter.
Good. Now. When the hell will I get a Socialist/Communist Party in France on Victoria 2. I can't make a red france if there are no Red parties.
1&2. The church is on government owned land. They should pay taxes to that government. Again, if God really cared, he would say "don't tax my churches" but he doesn't, because he can't.
3. I have been to church before son, and I am completely aware of their tactics to make you feel bad and coax people into giving money. It's not that hard. If you tell someone their going to suffer forever then they will probably give you 10 bucks to make themselves feel good, don't you think?
4.That's bullshit. And if so, he certainly is testing all those kids dying of malaria and starvation in Africa then, huh?
5. I can guarantee they make a salary for the "work" they do. You have been indoctrinated since birth to think the way you are right now, and told if you stray away you're going to burn in Hell. Sounds like slavery to me. "Do this or you will be punished!" And way to just say I'm slandering because you have no legitimate argument against me right now haha. That cracks me up. It does belong here. Please tell me why God can't just give these people what they need right now, prove his existence infallible, and prove me wrong right now? Why would he allow people to die for no reason? Please answer me, with a legitimate reason, prove me wrong right now. And don't retreat into your "stop offending me" argument just to get out of it.
1. There is separation of church and State.
Look at Medieval Europe politics to see what would happen if religion had power in government.
Look at USSR to see the opposite.
Neither of those situations are good. If you started taxing religion. Religion would become political and one of those two things would happen.
3. I honestly don't know what your talking about. The issue here is only I'm a Mormon and you apparently understand zip about my religion. I on the other hand understand very little about other religions outside of Baptists, and Muslims. Catholicism is pretty bad at that as well as most protestant religions. However this isn't the kind of crap that happens in every religion. That's like me saying all Atheists are Communists because of those two people.
4. .......And some people it's just their time to return to heaven.
5. My Clearview do not. No one is paid. Money we pay as tithing goes towards temples and charity. Now it does not say anywherethe only people going to heaven are Mormons. It says that no where. You just ccan't do stuff like murder and stuff like that. Again this is my religion standpoint as I can't argue for other religions views on god.
5a. I said you were trailing off somewhat and it was heading towards slander. You haven't said any slander yet but you were kinda close once or twice.
5b. Prove you wrong...........?
My problem with Paul Krugman is that he puts his politics before his economics. Breaking with traditionally Keynesian counter-cyclical policies, he runs with moronic liberal proposals like raising taxes during recessions and introducing green regulations, despite the obvious harm that they do to the economy. Slightly less insane Keynesians like the Romers realise how stupid it is to raise taxes during a recession, but because Krugman is a very bad economist, he still barks on about how teh rich need to pay der fare share, and inequality, and other politically manufactured non-issues. F__king Keynes was a supporter of the Laffer Curve, like anyone who knows anything about economics is. But modern liberalism has become so mentally corrosive that even the Keynesian so-called economists believe the populist lies that Michael Moore and other fools float around.
Whoever supports voter IDs is racist.
If a white guy says "black", it must have a racist connotation to it and that man should be burned.
Related: voter ID = good idea
Finally, some debate. I agree with you - I don't care whether it's a ploy to restrict Democratic voters. You need a license to drink alcohol and drive a car, but why not vote?
It's a ploy to do what?
I rather like the way Mark Levin structured the Voter ID mandate amendment in The Liberty Amendments; make it mandatory to have photo ID to vote, but also provide for free photo ID in the event that you can't get something like a driver's license, as long as you can prove you're a citizen. That seems 100% reasonable to me. Apparently, most people don't feel that way.
Ban IDs.
No. If you can't prove your a citizen you can't vote.
Why have citizenship?
Such is this awful region.
If it's so awful why are you here :p
Btw, you could always try and have the law repealed..
Joke....and Lord Muh, what is the answer to our newest fallacy? (TTAs crisis)
I'd hope you were joking xP
Which fallacy? Voter IDs?
No, TTAs *gasp* NOISES!! OH NO THE WORLD IS EMDING!!!
Because....Ummm....Because it is good.
....Shut up...
I guess Ill have to......IF I DIE ON JUDGEMENT DAY!!,
(No offense, joke..)
Ohhh lol
I won't claim to know where the noises are coming from.. however, being the non-religious type I would not freak out over such things. I'm sure there is a scientific and reasonable explanation.
What seems odd to me is that if they were in fact the "trumps" as I'm the bible.. and some could not hear this noise, then how did the news capture the sound? It seems to be the same situation as when they saw a horseman during the Egyptian rioting or when some trashy individual sees Jesus on toast.
Being owned is a good thing?
I second this, and third this..
I looked the thing up.
It's called the Hum. It is at low frequencies so only 2% of people in a given area could hear it, yet Recording devices could pick it up when around the sound.
So god speaks to machines too..
.......I have no clue what he speaks to.
Not Chris..
Chris?
Well of course not. Everybody hates him.
Blast. Beat me to it.
haha
That was an innuendo speaking of Chriss ever active relationship with humpy, but both work. :)
Just letting everyone know: I have been kinda inactive this week, but starting Sunday, I won't even remotely be on until next Friday.
Clarification: I am not, in fact, in a relationship with Amarican.
Humpy is no God :p. However....
I however...
(Gonna love this quote forever).
I however? Stupid phone. Not so smart for a smart phone :(
I can see it as clearly as a magic trick. (You see it fine, but r decieved)
Wut?
^ WAT?
Hes not?
I know?!
Doesn't mean you aren't amazing :)
I'm confused. What about me being a god?
Scroll up/down a Lil you will see lol.
your the opposite of a god, Hallo is more of a godlike figure. jk
I'm just here to spread the goodword of the government. Come friends, hold hands and let's sing Kum-by-Obama.
Kum by Obama, my love
Kum by Obama
Kum by Obama, my lord
Kum by Obama
Kum by Obama, my lord
Kum by Obama
O'lord Kum by Obama
We made another statist, O'lord
Kum by Obama
I'm so done lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4&hd=1
no!!!!!!! it hurts to see the kids being brainwashed by the left.
Beware of the Left Side. Anger, fear, aggression; the Left Side of Politics are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. Once you start down the Left path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did America's Democrats.
Democrats... Is the Left Side stronger?
No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.
But how am I to know the good side from the bad?
You will know... when you are rational, focused, attentive. A libertarian uses politics for knowledge and freedom, NEVER for control.
But tell me why I can't...
No, no! There is no "why".
Your feeble debating skills are no match for the power of the Left Side. You'll pay the price for your lack of political ambition. Now, young Idealism, you will die...
Since your dicta.... eternal leader and all, and I'm evidently the governments prophet. I guess I'm left side too. Succumb to the left.
You can join the Middle Side.
The Dark Right or Light Left as I call it.
There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
That is a narrow way of thinking.
Indeed.
"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Not sure if truly this ignorant, or is really good at trolling
Yeah, I hate grey
Yep, grey presupposes a black and a white.
Deal with it, Statist
(Kidding...kinda) it is merely an affirmation of moral objectivity: the only kind of morality. I'm only gonna go with logic based on rational premises. I refuse to grant pardons to immoral individuals.
Btw it's a Rand quote
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K7oAb5c2q_k/UIXCHK3CoZI/AAAAAAAAAAs/ReW8oNBPuOQ/s320/WW+objective+morality.jpg
Guys, there is a reason we are called Libertatem, we don't side with the left or right
From: Right Winged Nation
The middle is not always evil. In most cases it is preferable.
You see though, I have dark side of the moon as my flag, which contradicts the name for a practical joke. I do see how the name would make the statement seem ridiculous.
Yeah
I will say this, the next president we elect needs to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
Moderate Conservative economically.
Perhaps our definitions aren't the same. Either way you're wrong.
Pretty much sums up everything
The middle is always a compromise of the good with the bad. When the moral right is sacrificed for expediency, then morality has ended and you are left with the arbitrary wills to power: evil.
The middle tales the good aspects of both and combines them
[quote=albenia;6672196]Moderate Conservative economically.[/quoted[quote=albenia;6672196]Moderate Conservative economically.[/quote]
We have an 18 trillion dollars debt because of republicans and democrats. Our government operates according to what their political affiliation is, we need a change.
It looks lie we answered the question, Who is John Galt
Minerva, how can I take someone who doesn't care about consistency seriously? I mean really, what foundation do you have to stand on.
You libertarians are in the middle with their views, so is Libertatem evil?
We've had the "middle" for the past century. Pragmatism. Read it pls
Looks like you done did miss the point
Please, don't attempt to fit libertarians on any BS left right political scale. Please just don't. We have our own, distinct, consistent philosophy (usually?)
We do yes.
But with Moderate Conservatives economics.
I'm not a Libertarian entirely. Not economically.
No. We have not. We have had Left-Right
I apologize for the horrible typing, my computer is so screwed up.
Your right- Libertarian on the Compadd
......oh TTA, those scales are so arbitrary. I'm a liberal anarchist. Isn't that good enough?
Consequentialism.
[quote=albenia;6672286]Your right- Libertarian on the Compadd[/quote libf[quote=liberosia;6672279]Please, don't attempt to fit libertarians on any BS left right political scale. Please just don't. We have our own, distinct, consistent philosophy (usually?)[/quote]
I'm not trying to, but we are libertarians who agree with conservatives economically but agree with liberals on social issues(at least I am) so technically that's in the middle.
Yes.
I'm a Libertarian Neoliberal with a belief in Social Market Economy
A mix, yes. Have you ever listened to JFK? "Practical" economics. That's how it's been, a moderate mix of socialism and enterprise
Have you guys ever wondered how the state first came into being ? Was it just some big cave man with a stick extorting food out of his neighbors, or a more relatively recent development ?
That Political Spectrum is economics only...
JFK? No...
*claps slowly at the astounding philosophical truth revealed in the RMB post*
Thank you Mr. Friedman
I'm speaking of views of libertarians, i'm not putting us on the spectrum, i'm just saying we are in the middle with our views.
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