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Region: Libertatem
It doesn't tell us anything except that we are anti-communists, which isn't even fully true anymore.
Meanwhile, in the other flag I had like 5 to 6 symbols that mean liberty.
Eh, we are still anti-communists. I guess I am still nostalgic
Anti communists who are friends with The Communist Bloc and Anti Authoritarian Action, both prominent communist regions. (Okay the latter is more panarchist).
But really our activities have moved to become more anti-authoritarian than anti-communist in particular.
I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwuZRKsjDZ4
Here is a quite interesting study about power and corruption from my university. I personally participated to the first study and took all the money I could.
I support this idea.
Yeah...It's too...Ideologically centered. You can tell because in the constitution it somewhat mandates it. *Cough*Article *Cough*
Once the month starts, sure.
It'll be a simple "yes/no/conditionally" thing, of course, and if the winner is yes then we'll see about what new flags people come up with.
The Constitution is in a good need for reform, since the commies are just using Liberosia's speech against us now.
I feel like we've already been down this road
http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/356849/resized_chemistry-cat-meme-generator-your-test-results-are-in-100-failure-a259a0.jpg
lol what is this sh!t
http://www.nationstates.net/region=international_communist_court
I say we do the libertarian thing and skip our court date. After all, it's government coercion.
Which board seat is up for election next? Whichever one that is, I'm hereby announcing my candidacy for it.
Too late
Nah. Elections can run until 12:00 AM on Monday.
I believe the only one left is seat 3, which Renegalis is running for. It's either that one or Seat 4. But Renegalis' seat is the only one that's left.
Seconded. Pev and Humph have specifically told me that Libertatem is anti-authoritarian.
It's 4.
I endorse Rotgeheim for his election to the board.
I officially announce my candidacy for Seat 4 on the board.
^
Why vote for Renegalis, a newcomer to Libertatem, when you can vote for somebody with experience?
I've been a member of Libertatem cumulatively for over a year. I was one of the original ratifiers of the Constitution and have much more experience in Libertatem's politics than my opposition. Although I haven't been too active in the past few months, I've nonetheless observed the goings-on of Libertatem's political stage. When I was not a member of Libertatem, I was a member of the Federation of Free States, a (once) similarly-run organization. I'm a loyal member of Libertatem, and if you want to see the future of this great alliance become bright, vote for me.
Rotgeheim - building a brighter tomorrow™
1 minute ago: The Rogue Nation of Dred reborn
Ah feck. Dred's back. I thought I killed that beast?
So glad to hear you recognize me. :)
Let's keep past disputes out of Libertatem. If you guys got issues, that's what parking lots are for.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Judge-Judy-Eye-Roll-Thumb.gif
So anything major I missed?
Then why have I never heard of you?
Look at the Constitution in "Laws". He was a ratifier and he was in the region before either of us got here.
I'm a forerunner. I'm not an original member (also Liberosia actually did contact me when the region was founded, fun fact there), but I joined about a week or two after the founding.
A revolution is happening. One that seeks to burn the ancien regime to the ground! Burn! Burn! Burn!
I remember those days. Libertatem and the International Republican Union were hand in hand.
Why you ask?
Former Senator and Chief of Staff of the Navy of the old Republican Union
I dont like our relationship with the FFS. They are the ones who destroyed the original IRU.
I see your funny wit hasn't changed.
Was IRU the region run by north turkey?
Wot?
No. By Allied Engineers.
Being a newcomer is a really good thing in my point a view, Libertatem needs some fresh air, and the only thing we can smell is the pestiferous odor of an outdated RLP.
Then open us a window, so we dony have to smell your farts.
My farts smells way better than the RLP's odor.
Last I checked the RLP has brought glory to this region
The RLP will continue to crush skulls and regurgitate entrails so that YOU may suffer the glory of being under it's thumb.
True fact: All the best Presidents have been part of the RLP.
Well at least I missed nothing huge.
*I slowly shuffle Guns and Money to the Anti-RLP Revolution*
Don't mind me...
Wrong: the hammer and sickle is not the universal sign of communism, and any communists who are offended by it clearly don't know too much about communism or the history of socialism. It was conceived during the Russian Revolution by the Bolsheviks. So the hammer and sickle represents communism as much as the swastika represents Darwinism.
Most of the other flags were crap. Liberosia's current flag, however, would be a very good reflection of Libertatem's values.
Or better yet, form our own kangaroo court and add to the fun!
In the words of Peter Griffin: who the hell cares? Those who know us and our mission know what we're about. Those who don't are already either enemies or imperialist intent on twisting our words for their own agenda. The intellectual dishonesty expressed by the Bolsheviks is at times breathtaking. TI's Casita, who deserves to be nominated for the Statist Idiot of the Year Award, has gone to great lengths to prove that we are somehow fascists or aligned with fascists by pointing to two-year old embassy ties, while dismissing our current ties to leftist regions as "PR". Ming has done the same thing multiple times.
The only thing in Article VIII that should be amended is the parts restricting political activity of socialists.
I think it's pointless trying to paint this region into RLP vs everyone else. I'm only in this party because of what it stands for: freedom at home and the War on Communism. I'll happily switch parties if the RLP is somehow taken over by noninterventionists. But the reason my party has been in power for so long is because it is a fundamentally constitutional party based on our region's values - values that have enjoyed broad public support. The reason smaller parties aren't successful isn't because we're in a position of dominance. It's because of a) consistently poor organisation and leadership and b) unpopular political positions. CHUM, the NLP, etc. would be much more successful if they adjusted their policies to fit with public opinion. The truth is that anti-war folks are in the minority here, as they have always been.
Well I could say with confidence. Snabagag was a terrible president.
Why would you say that?
His policies held the region back and plunged this region to near death, until you came to power. Snabagag was a mere office holder.
Pev good to see you again.
Our TCB allies also wear a hammer and sickle flag. Are they totalitarians by any chance Pev? Do you want to reconsider embassies, then? Almost all communist parties in the world have adopted the hammer and sickle, like the CPUSA. Try again.
Because the constitution is, like the flag, specifically more ammo to from the authoritarians to keep libertarian regions on their side by presenting the region as hostile to them. That's why it matters.
I strongly disagree. He helped build the region from the ground up, and was instrumental in creating policies that helped the region in the long term and are still in effect today. He purged the final remnants of fascism within the region, co-authored the Constitution and brought dozens of bright and talented nations to the region, many of whom are still here today. He dealt skilfully with diplomatic troubles, easing tensions with TFI from a position of strength. He established the foundation of the War on Communism and oversaw key successes in TCR and multiple North Korean satellite states.
I think, though, that towards the end of his term his staunch conservatism and principled opposition to democratic reform hindered the region, which was made worse by inaction on his part towards pushing for recovery. But we can't blame him for having a life outside NS.
Overall, I think he was a great president.
I apologize for my stance. I was oringinal member of the old International Republican Union, and I saw much diffrent until you finaly arrived. As I recall you were an open critic of his polcies, and even calling a change in administration. Then you had tore down tons of his policies in the name of progress. Though Snabagag's greatest failure was the allowance bof the Libertatem Empire.
Also Snabagag was not either the first or second WA delegate of this region. So ground up is pushing it.
*sigh*
He sounds like a GREAT proponent of Freedom...
Adopting the swastika because it's a cool symbol does not make it lose its connotations and historical origins. While the original intent of the flag was to represent anti-communism, it can just as easily represent anti-Bolshevism, because it is the original Bolshevik flag.
I am uninterested in pandering to foreign powers by wrapping up our mission in cozy politically correct terms such as anti-authoritarianism or anti-tyranny, terms which I admittedly referred to for quite a while. Anti-Bolshevism sums up our cause best. Bolshevism is Russian for "majority", and Menshevism is Russian for "minority ". That is, we should ally with the minority of socialist regions that practice ideologies of peace and voluntaryism, while continuing to oppose the interests of the barbarian, imperialist majority.
Hey, no problem for having an opinion. In fairness, the Empire was more Liberosia's project than anyone else's.
The previous delegates did very little for the region. They were largely inconsequential bystanders. As soon as Snab joined, he was active in the political process and went straight for constitutional reform.
The conception of Libertatem was not as the libertarian region that we see today, but instead a region of rampant McCarthyism, authoritarianism, and despotism. These elements that continue to exist, such as the flag, constitution, and whatever else, only seek to hold us back. We have been seeing this trend for a while, from expunging the fascists and severing ties, to destroying the Libertatem Empire, to even allying with UCR and invading prominent authoritarian regions. To continue this trend is to finally rid ourselves of the remnants of dissolution that have plagued us over and over again, to finally stand up to the principles of libertarianism and anti-authoritarianism, and to fulfill the destiny which we have laid down before us. All of our allies agree with me that the flag has got to go, Sherm, Zenya, NST, have all said to me directly or indirectly that our reputation is being hampered. The hammer and sickle is foremost associated with communism, bolshevism is a faint afterthought. To assume that everyone else will think of that when they first see the region is folly. Impressions are everything, Pev.
It was not our commitment to tradition that allowed us to prosper, but stern progressiveness! And you SEEK to end this progress that even you had started next to Snabagag, becoming the very thing which you reviled!
Minerva 2015!
Actually this region was modeled after a buisness, nothing to do with government at all.
Silence, heretic!
Boom
Bang
Good luck with that.
Shots fired
Anyways, on a more serious note, I personally wouldn't advocate changing the flag unless it were to become something like Liberosia's; we were created for the War on Communism, and we need to make it a point that we haven't abandoned our most fundamental principle.
Never thought I would see the day when Minerva, militant anti-communist and champion of the Pevvania administration's war efforts would call for a change in public policy on what communist regions thought of us.
I mean, I know that you were going to run for President, but I never would have thought that it would be on an anti-Libertatem ticket. Hmm. You think you know a guy.
This guys flag, wow
You can stop disliking everything now, Dred.
hail dred
Dred reminds me of the UCR-Chernobyl War.
Ok sorry.
Ah yes I remember that very well.
Wise words. I'm a fan.
Wouldn't be so much of a fan if you knew that he is the second most active general in the history of Libertatem to wage the War on Communism and he was responsible for most of our victories. Such as Communist Beach and countless tag raids on places like DK and the UCR.
Not in any way is this true. It was a small region almost entirely populated by libertarian and conservative anti-communists. Any laws restricting their political freedom were practically irrelevant, as none ever came here to migrate. The lack of democratic features also did not matter much at a time where the region was small and military-focused. Only as we became more diverse and open to others did we change and adapt.
It's an afterthought that's fitting. Please point me to any friendly socialist regions that are dissuaded from speaking with us as a result of our flag. Clearly, for UCR, Juche Union, AAA, TCU and TCB to all become friends with us indicates that the flag hasn't hampered diplomacy one bit.
Umm... No. I have never believed in change for the sake of change. If I were a mindless progressive, I would have jumped on board with the "new constitution" movement, but I did not because it was a dumb idea. So by your logic, I abandoned any belief in progress at the beginning of my presidency - which clearly is not true. I am a libertarian and a republican but also a pragmatist. Sticking to our guns can be just as useful as reform, depending on the situation. I do not want to change the flag just because of tradition. The flag is a symbol of resistance to the forces of Bolshevism and evil, and a powerful expression of freedom through noncompliance. I do not want to change the flag, also, because I refuse to bend over for foreign powers in order to appeal to a wider audience. It is not our mission to be everything to everyone. It is our mission to fight Stalinism until the forces of The Red Fleet and their puppets are broken, stagnate and irrelevant. This cannot be accomplished if we lower the age rating so kids can tune in. To quote Article VIII:
"The Confederacy of Liberosia notes that it will be shunned by even capitalist regions/nations. It could encounter hostility from a variety of different regions. It is doubtful that our region will grow at the same rate as other more neutral regions. We will most probably remain stagnate. We will encounter ridicule, and mockery. However, we will shoulder all of these. To any nation reading this, if you are anti-Communist, if you believe in free people and free markets, if you don't want to see the Communists take power now or ever, you have a home in Libertatem."
Oh dayum
As an Alien, Permanent Resident and Diplomatic Ambassador to the now defunct Chernobyl Union, I am guessing I do not have the right to vote since I am not a citizen.
Technically, yeah, you're not a citizen yet, but you can get citizenship from Mr. Roads up there after a time.
I also participated in a raid. I don't know the contexts and aim of those he led. And really I don't care, I've learned compromise. Still better than rotting with outdated ideas.
But, seriously, I'm curious. What's up with Minerva's change of heart? Simply playing the public opinion to get elected? Or was he genuinely convinced?
Outdated? We'll never be outdated for as long as there are massive raiding forces among the totalitarian communists.
So who might be the next Chairman of the Board?
I dunno. I guess we'll figure it out the first time we convene.
Whose going to be the new Attorney General?
Humpy's going to stay as AG.
Thats possible?
Humpy wouldn't be running for Board if it weren't.
The AG can hold any other government position other than President.
CI's going to CTE tomorrow...
WATT?
10 Watt's
Mhmm. ^
Won't be on much until Monday guys, my apologies.
Two days to become VP again. Challenge accepted.
Er.. have at it if you & Mien really want to. Won't hurt my feelings.
I mean, it's not like I ever do anything for the region../sarcasm
:p
I was joking, boo boo.
I just learned the values of Giorginoism
How the Revolution Sprouts
-Workers in the Steel Mills, Factories and low-paid farmhands must secretly form separate leagues.Â
-On the night before the revolt willing party members (assuming their is a revolutionary party, otherwise revolutionaries) must spread leaflets spreading the message of the revolutionÂ
-On the day of the revolution (if it is violent) the revolutionaries must seize weaponry and ammunition and seize places of communication (if it is peaceful rally the revolutionaries)
-Revolutionaries must stage sort of a "palace coup" capturing the seat of government and decentralizing the state
-The revolutionaries in the south and north must take up arms and seize major manufacturing centers
-the Revolutionaries must win over the rest of the country
After Revolution
-The Government must send message of the Revolt's ideas around the nation
-The Companies CEO's must be arrested on charges of treason and exploitation and sent to trail as for former leaders and officials
-Companies must be governed by a council of laborers who will decide fair wages and make sure conditions are goodÂ
-The new government must gain loyalty of military or all is lost
-Government must be prepared to fend off unfriendly neighbors
-People must be united under the revolution's banner
Centralizing Again
-With a united populace the government must reestablish order perhaps at first (if necessary) martial law
-After a few months the government must get the industry and service companies running again (run by workers councils)
-Democratic elections must be held (preferably with only left-wing candidates)
I don't know what that is.
I know humpy bear :)
The values of the revolution *nods*
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