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I will be sleeping in an induced hospital setting tonight due to a medical accident today, hospitalized until friday, so I will not be on when the poll closes. So, congrats to Pev and thanks to RRRG on a 7-1 race. Goodbye cruel world!!!!!!

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:How's it going?

I'm feeling a bit oppressed lately, but other than that everything's normal.

Wait...

Both of those things are normal.

Seriously though, things are good, how're you?

Humpheria wrote:I will be sleeping in an induced hospital setting tonight due to a medical accident today, hospitalized until friday, so I will not be on when the poll closes. So, congrats to Pev and thanks to RRRG on a 7-1 race. Goodbye cruel world!!!!!!

Get well soon, Humpy.

Humpheria wrote:I will be sleeping in an induced hospital setting tonight due to a medical accident today, hospitalized until friday, so I will not be on when the poll closes. So, congrats to Pev and thanks to RRRG on a 7-1 race. Goodbye cruel world!!!!!!

Aww =( Feel better HumpyBear!

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I read an interesting article from the Facebook page 'Being Classically Liberal' about the causes of poverty in the United States. They've cited some very interesting statistics:

-Only 3% of full-time workers live below the poverty line. In the lowest income quintile, an average of 0.4 workers per household hold a full-time job, compared to 2.1 workers per household in the highest quintile.

-According to the Census Bureau, the average median income of an individual who hasn't completed education past the 9th Grade is $17,422, compared to a high school drop-out and graduate's income of $20,321 and $26,505 a year, respectively.

-Of the households in the lowest income quintile, married couple families only make up 16.7% of households, which sharply contrasts with the 48.7% for all households and 82.2% for households belonging to the highest income quintile.

Conclusion:

In conclusion, to stay out of a low income household, people should avoid having children without being in a committed relationship, have at least 1 full time worker per household, and graduate from high school. While some people think more government handouts are necessary to decrease poverty and income inequality, in reality the most effective way to decrease poverty and inequality would be for everyone to emulate the behavior of the top 20% of income households.

Link to full article: http://being-classical-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/poverty.html

Wow and that can happen without a large government. Another reason why the right push for the nuclear family.

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Humpheria wrote:I will be sleeping in an induced hospital setting tonight due to a medical accident today, hospitalized until friday, so I will not be on when the poll closes. So, congrats to Pev and thanks to RRRG on a 7-1 race. Goodbye cruel world!!!!!!

Hope you get better soon!

Well, I planned to sleep for a few more hours. But, now I am up. They decided that the damage was too much and they would need to go into surgery. So, I will have to go in today. Apparently, when the car side-swiped me there was some internal damage. It can't be so bad if I'm able to have the cognitive ability to be on the internet. But, they have the PhD, I don't. The surgery starts at 10:00 and will last until 12:00. I will be out of it until tonight. So, if anything major happens until tonight, Miencraft will have to act as Chairman. The doctor just informed me that I need to get off to get prepped, so I will update tonight.

I hope everything goes well for you

Mornin'

Or even' for the Brits.

Lack There Of wrote:I hope everything goes well for you

This.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Mornin'

Or even' for the Brits.

Actually, it's mid-afternoon over here :P

Humpheria wrote:Well, I planned to sleep for a few more hours. But, now I am up. They decided that the damage was too much and they would need to go into surgery. So, I will have to go in today. Apparently, when the car side-swiped me there was some internal damage. It can't be so bad if I'm able to have the cognitive ability to be on the internet. But, they have the PhD, I don't. The surgery starts at 10:00 and will last until 12:00. I will be out of it until tonight. So, if anything major happens until tonight, Miencraft will have to act as Chairman. The doctor just informed me that I need to get off to get prepped, so I will update tonight.

We're keeping you in our thoughts Humpy! Let us know what's going on!

I have an interesting idea: a Vice President whose role doubles as Chairman of the Board. It'd be similar to the US Vice President, who is also President of the Senate. As you can see in the original Constitution (before the FREE Amendment was passed) there was a Vice Delegate, whose responsibilities were meaningless. I don't care for any frivolous expansions of government, but I think having a Vice President with a foot in the executive and a foot in the legislative branch would add an interesting dynamic to politics in the region.

Your thoughts?

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"You may have all the money, Raymond, but I have all the men with guns." - Frank Underwood

Pevvania wrote:I have an interesting idea: a Vice President whose role doubles as Chairman of the Board. It'd be similar to the US Vice President, who is also President of the Senate. As you can see in the original Constitution (before the FREE Amendment was passed) there was a Vice Delegate, whose responsibilities were meaningless. I don't care for any frivolous expansions of government, but I think having a Vice President with a foot in the executive and a foot in the legislative branch would add an interesting dynamic to politics in the region.

Your thoughts?

Would you have him elected by way of the board? Or would he be appointed by you?

If I understood him, it would just be the Chairman, so elected. I went through surgery without a hitch. I had a bruised rib and some glass in my chest. I will be in the hospital until Friday. More time to spend on the region. Thanks for the well-wishes. I'm still a bit groggy, so Imma nap. I'll be back on tonight.

Muh Roads wrote:Would you have him elected by way of the board? Or would he be appointed by you?

Either way would be unsatisfactory. The former would mean the President would be forced to serve alongside someone they wouldn't necessarily get along with, and the latter would erode the power of the Board and would have to mean that one seat would be appointed by me.

Not Nessicarly you, Hallo might win :)

Pevvania wrote:Either way would be unsatisfactory. The former would mean the President would be forced to serve alongside someone they wouldn't necessarily get along with

Personally, I always thought the twelfth amendment was detrimental to the constitution. Why shouldn't the president have a dissenting opinion as his number two? It would add a healthy dose of restraint to any governing apparatus, not that this region particularly needs one currently.

I agree a Vice President should be choosen By the President.

I am a proponent of VP being Board elected.

I do think that this should go in effect after the Election.

Pevvania wrote:I have an interesting idea: a Vice President whose role doubles as Chairman of the Board. It'd be similar to the US Vice President, who is also President of the Senate. As you can see in the original Constitution (before the FREE Amendment was passed) there was a Vice Delegate, whose responsibilities were meaningless. I don't care for any frivolous expansions of government, but I think having a Vice President with a foot in the executive and a foot in the legislative branch would add an interesting dynamic to politics in the region.

Your thoughts?

Could work, if appointed by the Board.

Alternatively, the VP could be whoever got second place in the election, but that would be a pain to write legislation for.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:

Alternatively, the VP could be whoever got second place in the election, but that would be a pain to write legislation for.

If we're going to invest the tine for such a dramatic change this might be the best route. It would solidify the separation of powers as opposed to simply expanding the board's or the president's.

Well, there is an issue there. Anyone that's unqualified can run, and if no one else runs, then the unqualified person will become the second most powerful person in the region. That tactic has been tried and failed in history. I would support Chairman doubling as VP, because as it is, the Chairman is first in the line of succession anyway.

And VP wouldn't do much alone anyway.

Or... maybe.. separate elections for the VP...

*roads cowers under his desk shaking like a chihuahua*

Humpheria wrote:Well, there is an issue there. Anyone that's unqualified can run, and if no one else runs, then the unqualified person will become the second most powerful person in the region. That tactic has been tried and failed in history. I would support Chairman doubling as VP, because as it is, the Chairman is first in the line of succession anyway.

Makes sense, and not just because that would make you the VP.

Muh Roads wrote:Or... maybe.. separate elections for the VP...

*roads cowers under his desk shaking like a chihuahua*

In light of humps valid issues, this could be a better solution

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Makes sense, and not just because that would make you the VP.

That wasn't my intention. I won't be Chairman forever.

I don't really see a way we could strike a balance here between convenience, republicanism and maintaining the separation of powers. It seems like we can either erode the Board's power that it's worked so hard to gain or frivolously expand the government to add a position that would be of no use on its own.

To be honest, I just wanted to put 'Pev/Humpheria 2014' on my campaign posters ;)

No, I meant a publicly elected VP that holds the power you described.. not make it a frivolous position.

Feeling better, but I am still sore. I don't really know how I feel about this VP issue. I can see both sides. I'll have to sleep on it.

Humpheria wrote:Feeling better, but I am still sore. I don't really know how I feel about this VP issue. I can see both sides. I'll have to sleep on it.

Follow the doctor's orders now :)

Anyway, it's by no means a extremely pressing matter for the VP to have separate elections. It was just a suggestion.

[nation=short]The Amarican Empire[/nation] has done us a great service and created a new forum! Our old one was tired and underused. I hope the new one will become the bastion of information and idealism that it deserves to be!

I also have a challenge for someone: whoever can create an account on the forums and log every single piece of legislation ever voted on in Libertatem, whether it was passed or unpassed, recording each and every vote (and preferably core arguments from each side as to why the bill should be passed), will get a free PC game code from me that they can select beforehand.

Not like I have anything better to do. I'll do it.

Won't get anything done until 3:15, I'm going to be in rehab till then. So, if someone else wants it, do it before then.

Thanks Amarican!!

I won't be able to accept applications until 3-4 pa eastern us

Humpheria wrote:Won't get anything done until 3:15, I'm going to be in rehab till then. So, if someone else wants it, do it before then.

Look at this guy! Experiencing life threatening injury and continues to work for the region! What a machine!

Welcome back, Actum!

Actum is a former long-time resident of Libertatem.

He was actually the third Manager of Military Affairs.

Lack There Of wrote:Look at this guy! Experiencing life threatening injury and continues to work for the region! What a machine!

In the words of my favorite orator: "I may sleep, but this nation [region] doesn't." Thanks for calling me a machine. This is lunch and I have never been so tired by walking up and down stairs and pacing. Always look both ways when the light turns green, some people think they can make red lights.

Everyone that sent me an Application has been accepted.

Expect mine in about thirty minutes. I gotta ride back to the hospital.

I am now adding out laws.

Humpheria wrote:I am now adding out laws.

Great! Remember to include all the votes and other details, when you get round to it.

I just saw that welcome message. Thanks. Its good to be back guys.

(If I may do an introduction here, that's fine)

You probably don't know me, Actum, and I would probably want to get to know a little about you. But I think we can learn a lot through raiding together, as the current Manager of Military Affairs I'd be delighted to work with someone who has former experience with raiding in Libertatem. Please telegram me and I'll update you with current military affairs and other misc. stuff.

Legislation is on the Forum.

The forum thingy for political parties says "Political Partys". Gotta fix that.

Participate in the chat and I will.

Man you can just tell i am the one that did that just looking at the spelling.

Glory to Liberty!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDIRnYBRbXw&hd=1

That forum is literally the best thing that has happened to me in days.

.... This account and the Dictatorship of the Warring States of the Mediterranean are TA puppets.

.... I'm too anarchist at night.....

Good job in CFN, they love you.

I guess you don't even fit in with centrists.

The Time Alliance wrote:.... I'm too anarchist at night.....

Wat?

I have no one who loves me...

I seem to become Anti- Government everything as night progresses.

Hello Neo. How's it going?

The Time Alliance wrote:Hello Neo. How's it going?

Good. How about you?

I've seen better days..... well no not really.

http://thoughtsonliberty.com/9-ways-you-know-you-are-dating-a-libertarian

Are you back for good, TTA?

Humpheria wrote:Are you back for good, TTA?

Probably.

What made you want to.come back? Lol

Muh Roads wrote:What made you want to.come back? Lol

The Privileged Upper Class belittliting me...

The Time Alliance wrote:The Privileged Upper Class belittliting me...

Ah, understandable.

So you come back to the fascist Libertarians?

The Time Alliance wrote:.... I'm too anarchist at night.....

Back in our little libertarian/fascist/neo-con/statist/anarchist dictatorship, I see?

The Time Alliance wrote:The Privileged Upper Class belittliting me...

Damn bourgeoisie!

May the Workers of the world unite!

The Time Alliance wrote:Probably.

So, let me get this straight. You call us fascists. You insult members of this region. You insult this region's laws. You leave, go to another region. They make fun of little TTA, like we did. All of a sudden they're fascists too. You leave and come back here and expect and warm reception? I think not. We have not forgotten anything you said, you traitorous communist.

I am with Humpy haven't we already given gum a 2nd chance in the past?

The Amarican Empire wrote:May the Workers of the world unite!

That's not very fascist of you Amarican. Loool

The Amarican Empire wrote:I am with Humpy haven't we already given gum a 2nd chance in the past?

More than once, really.

The Time Alliance wrote:The Privileged Upper Class belittliting me...

Sounds a lot like real life

The Amarican Empire wrote:May the Workers of the world unite!

Yes.

Humpheria wrote:So, let me get this straight. You call us fascists. You insult members of this region. You insult this region's laws. You leave, go to another region. They make fun of little TTA, like we did. All of a sudden they're fascists too. You leave and come back here and expect and warm reception? I think not. We have not forgotten anything you said, you traitorous communist.

Oh no. Unlike you they say they are a Fascist Democracy. And I technically was exiled for 48 hours.

Pevvania wrote:Back in our little libertarian/fascist/neo-con/statist/anarchist dictatorship, I see?

Damn bourgeoisie!

Until Sunday I'll be here.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Sounds a lot like real life

Indeed. I play games to avoid it..

Pevvania wrote:Back in our little libertarian/fascist/neo-con/statist/anarchist dictatorship, I see?

Damn bourgeoisie!

I have no idea how a region or country can be both Fascist and Anarchic at the same time. Those are literally polar opposites. TTA you do know that right?

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I have no idea how a region or country can be both Fascist and Anarchic at the same time. Those are literally polar opposites. TTA you do know that right?

They aren't Polar opposites. The Polar opposite of Anarchism is State Socialism (Or fascism is Anarcho- communist)

The Time Alliance wrote:They aren't Polar opposites. The Polar opposite of Anarchism is State Socialism (Or fascism is Anarcho- communist)

*if.

Not is

So you plan on leaving soon, right?

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