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Region: Libertatem
I forgot I was dealing with one of the fascists from the top of the regional oligarchy
Everyone who signed up for Moment of Weakness can start playing now. I'll now officially stop talking about it on the RMB.
I forgot I was dealing with a class traitor closet-proletarian from the "democratically elected" Board
I am apart of the petite-bourgeois.
Fvck you! jk
I'm both.
Yes!
GUYS GUYS I JUST FOUND A SPIDER IN MY BED I'M LITERALLY CRYING
I actually am a part of the petit bourgeoisie in real life. This is why I hate Commies: it's in my class genetics.
*^the above is not my actual view. It's a satire of Lenin
It's just a spider. You can kill it with only a finger.
But what if it bites me
Kill it with fire
You should be faster then the spider.
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Okay but what if
You are also here because you love me
If it bites you, there's a 99% chance it won't do anything, because most spiders aren't poisonous.
But spider
UCR allows everyone in that's not a Leninist or Nazi.
Anyway, if you want to learn, shoot me any argument and I'll refute it.
Much arrogant. So prepped. Wow.
my wifi keeps going down
wifi y u do dis
I know, are you and Minerva related?
Because you didn't kill the spider.
I am happy to accept your compliment.
Related? Depends. I am of German and Polish descent. What are you, Lib?
Skandinavian, British, and Italian
no direct relation :|
Are you kidding me? UCR have copied our WFE word for word :L
Are you kidding me? UCR have copied our WFE word for word :L
To be fair it is a good WFE.
Boy, that was one hell of a workout.
Hiya!
*bonks*
Hello there! We are happy to have embassies with your region.
We too, how are you?
Good :) We've got Board Elections ongoing right now, which is exciting.
Oh my God they have been built. I cant escape the bastards...i could move to Nazi Europe but they would stilll make embassies there...
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Fascist Third Way
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What in the literal nonsense is this even supposed to mean?
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Better dead than goose or red.
Well it depends on the other circumstances.
How much Political Power citizens had and how much Economic and civil freedoms they had.
Hold on I'm going to answer you're question in a minute.
I wouldn't
Both Fascism and Communism are bad because in both systems I lose my #1 Freedom: The Freedom of Thought and Speech.
However I'd have to go with Fascism because I can maintain my Private Property Right's.
Number one freedom? If you're in chains, it doesn't make a difference if you protest your bondage. Freedom of expression is important, don't get me wrong, but there are more important freedoms out there. And as I've stated repeatedly, there is one freedom that is the basis for them all - property rights. Read this chapter about the subject in The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray Rothbard: http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fifteen.asp
And the concept of property rights in a fascist state is little more than an illusion. The difference between a fascist state and a Communist state (that is, a state that seeks to advance towards communism) is that the goal of the fascist state is to preserve and expand a socialist economy to fulfill the interests of the political class, while the goal of the Communist state is to use a socialist economy as a transitionary point to absolute equality and order. A fascist state, by definition, wields enormous amounts of power; enough to invalidate and destroy property rights at any time.
1. It honestly does. The way I think about it is this. Do I want a house I own or do I want the freedom to speak and act freely? That is the question of Property Right's. Property Right's are nothing more than Materialistic views on the right to own materials of your own. Freedom of Thought, Speech and Expression are rights that will be able to follow you your whole life. While Property might degrade, be taken and run down, you should never loose those former rights.
In a fascist state the Government doesn't always attempt to control EVERY aspect of the economy unlike in a Communistic.
A house won't let me do anything meaningful.
My Thoughts and ability to speak and act will.
Lack and Pev, are you guys cool with Lack moderating the debates on the 17th?
What? That's silly. Property rights encompasses far, far more than just owning a house. Property rights, fundamentally, is the right to self-ownership, to own your body and its actions. Property rights means the right to choose a line of employment, the right to get married, to educate yourself, to choose what kind of lifestyle you live, to breathe, to eat, to do anything. Freedom of speech means nothing when you can't choose to live your life how you want to.
Good idea, but the Constitution mandates the election to occur between the 20th and the 31st of August.
Which is why we have the debates on the 17th.
Oh, sorry.
Also, can we change that? it won't take eleven days to do that. We can add that with the creation of an oath.
It doesn't mandate an eleven-day election; it just mandates that the election take place within those eleven days, for a three-day period, I believe. And I like the oath idea - it could be administered by the Founder.
I know I said I wouldn't mention it anymore but anyone who signed up can get started now:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=304475
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I never did like oatmeal.
Good for you also. If you didn't see my earlier response it was fascism.
I don't classify that stuff as Property right's. I always classify that as Freedom of Thought, Speech and Ability to act.
I classify property rights as materialistic property.
I love oatmeal. Thus, I love you.
Well frankly, that definition is wrong. The factual definition of property rights is self-ownership.
Taken from Liberosia's debate with a Marxist: Instead of raising my fist and keeping it closed, I would raise my fist, and let it open.
Liberosia confirmed enemy of Metal and Rock. *Nods*
As of now I'm a go, I'll check my work schedule later to confirm
And in other news everything that was established months ago
Property rights are theoretical constructs in economics for determining how a resource is used and owned. Resources can be owned (the subject of property) by individuals, associations or governments. Property rights can be viewed as an attribute of an economic good. This attribute has four broad components and is often referred to as a bundle of rights:
the right to use the good
the right to earn income from the good
the right to transfer the good to others
the right to enforcement of property rights
It really depends on if you want to group you owning your actions with the ability to own lipstick.
That's a Sunday so I'll have to be telegrammed the questions or something as I'm not on Sundays.
Also In response to my Military plan...I'd love if I could get some verification on that.
Come on, at least say that you're quoting Wikipedia if you're going to grab text from it. Read The Ethics of Liberty, which is completely free online. It explains everything I'm saying.
...I'd honestly hope I didn't need to say when I'm quoting Wikipedia as it was a simple definition...
No offense, but I've noticed you plagiarize text from other websites a fair few times. It's helpful when you quote it.
http://www.indycarz.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22689&d=1400001688
Unrelated fun fact: between 1959 and 1979, the UK GDP per capita increased from $1,320 to $7,511 in current US dollars. Between 1979 and 1991, during the premiership of Margaret Thatcher, GDP per capita increased from $7,511 to $18,387, an increase of nearly 250%. It took 20 years for the British standard of living to rise by $6,200, while it took 12 years for it to increase by $10,800 in the 1980s. For some perspective, if GDP per capita growth had progressed at the rate it did in the 1959-1979 period, it would have taken until 2008 to reach $18,387, which was achieved in 1991 at the end of Thatcher's term in office. Real wages also increased by 33% and share ownership quadrupled.
Sauce: http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-kingdom/gdp-per-capita
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"I'm to drunk to taste this chicken"
-Col. Sanders
I love you lack
I love you humpalicous.
Muh affection
O and lack I am in The Change United Movement the Paul party no longer exists.
I love all of you.
Humpalicous who do you love most and who do you love the least in this region.
Though I do not know the specifics of your plan, I fail to see how "partly" demolishing our current military-structure would solve anything.
The key to solving all of our current challenges, in regards to our military effectiveness, lies with:
A) Professionalizing our current military. Most of our forces have no military-gameplay experience at all, besides that which they have gained while under the banner of Libertatem. Despite this, our General has been doing a wonderful job of enhancing our military effectiveness. I am sure that he will continue to do so, and I hope to assist him in this endeavor.
And,
B) We need to create a well-planned, clear-cut, efficient military command structure for REATO. When we do this, we will be able to effectively utilize a much larger, combined military-force, capable of tackling more difficult challenges than we are currently able. (And, as I said yesterday, I am working on doing this)
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Meh. I probably won't be a permanent resident. IF UCR wants sovereignty than ditto.
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If we wish to act in our own benefit, we do so here and in our military operations. When Libertatem residents influence your newly constructed society's politics, we do so for your benefit, not for ours; while I cannot speak for everyone, I can say that our sphere of influence is grand enough that we do not concern ourselves with the kind of exploitation you're worried about.
You ask to be separate from Libertatem, but you completely copy our WFE. Okay.
Why would he not be a comrade. he's AnCom
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Oh No...They copied a WFE. Scandelous
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Well, ancoms don't believe in copyright, remember?
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Friends protect their friends when they are vulnerable. Again, we're just trying to help; new allies don't help us at all if they're easily corrupted. We expect our allies and friends to maintain secure, yet free systems and to cover their vulnerabilities as best they can...and hope that they expect the same of us.
Saludos,
I am the diplomatic puppet of [nation=short]Fenshamsland[/nation], representing The Revolutionary Council. I will be staying here for a while, if you grant me permission, to better get to know this region. It is an ongoing policy of the region to get to know those with whom we have embassies, so that they are not a mere name.
Comandante Fensham
El Presidente de [nation]Fenshamsland[/nation]
I see you are just pissy because your option for government is not winning the vote, but you can't just come here and start bashing people because you are angry.
*Looks at UCR votes*
DAMN IT LIBERTATEM!
We don't need protecting, though. I'm an active founder, and like I've stated: [B]Authoritarians, of any type, will not be allowed any positions of authority. [/B]They only act in the interests of themselves and the perpetuation of the state, the growth of the state; restricting the rights of individuals.
DANG IT UCR!
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...Not always
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