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*waves* Hello everybody, I am Fejanstein! Nice to meet you, can you tell me some more about Libertarianism?

Pevvania

Fejanstein wrote:*waves* Hello everybody, I am Fejanstein! Nice to meet you, can you tell me some more about Libertarianism?

Hi Fejanstein! Libertarianism is fundamentally based on:

-The belief that the individual, rather than government or any other group, is the ultimate arbiter of his own destiny

-The belief that central planning is inherently immoral and inefficient, and is vastly inferior to the forces of free market competition

-The belief that government intervention in the economy usually leads to disaster, except in a few cases like protection of property rights

-The belief that attempting to regulate human behaviour by force through gun control, drug wars, prostitution bans and so forth usually accomplish the opposite of what they intend to and are immoral

-The belief that the use of force is destructive and immoral unless waged in self-defense

-The belief that human freedom is natural, desirable and the ultimate political goal

Pevvania wrote:You study abroad?

Well, just the last two semesters. My home university is in the United States.

Pevvania wrote:Hi Fejanstein! Libertarianism is fundamentally based on:

-The belief that the individual, rather than government or any other group, is the ultimate arbiter of his own destiny

-The belief that central planning is inherently immoral and inefficient, and is vastly inferior to the forces of free market competition

-The belief that government intervention in the economy usually leads to disaster, except in a few cases like protection of property rights

-The belief that attempting to regulate human behaviour by force through gun control, drug wars, prostitution bans and so forth usually accomplish the opposite of what they intend to and are immoral

-The belief that the use of force is destructive and immoral unless waged in self-defense

-The belief that human freedom is natural, desirable and the ultimate political goal

Oh, my nation has a government... should I leave?

Fejanstein wrote:Oh, my nation has a government... should I leave?

I think you missed the entire point.

Miencraft wrote:I think you missed the entire point.

I think I have misunderstood...

Fejanstein wrote:Oh, my nation has a government... should I leave?

Nah, I am a minarchist and they haven't kicked me out.

This is because none of them have read Nozick and think minarchism can't be defended. :)

Fejanstein wrote:Oh, my nation has a government... should I leave?

Anyone of any stripe can live here. But you can still be a libertarian and believe in government.

Broadly speaking, there are two main types of libertarian: anarcho-capitalists, who want to abolish the government and rely on the free market enforced by the nonaggression principle to provide goods and services, and minarchists, who believe in reducing the state to the roles of defense, justice and contract enforcement. There are also Nozickians, who are somewhere in the middle, and a few more moderate libertarians who believe in leaving a few more functions of government like disability benefits.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Nah, I am a minarchist and they haven't kicked me out.

This is because none of them have read Nozick and think minarchism can't be defended. :)

On your recommendation, I bought Anarchy, State and Utopia last year, but I haven't gotten around to reading it.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:I hate George Washington.

We will fight

Hallo Island

I hate Martin Van Buren's hair.

Pevvania, Hallo Island

Ladies and gentlemen, but mostly ladies, tomorrow starts a huge recruitment drive. I will be personally sending out 20000 recruitment TGs myself, anyone else who wants to contribute please TG me. Thank you!

Board, what is the status on REDS?

Also forgive me for the multiple RMB messages, I try to keep 95% of my communication with the board open. The other 5% is mostly love mails between me and Humpy.

Muh Roads wrote:I hate Martin Van Buren's hair.

That is debatable. I think its perfect.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:We will fight

Come at me little boy. You can run, but you'll get tired eventually.

Muh Roads wrote:Board, what is the status on REDS?

Also forgive me for the multiple RMB messages, I try to keep 95% of my communication with the board open. The other 5% is mostly love mails between me and Humpy.

It passed. Like I told you last night before that other thing.

Native Americans: proving that anarcho-capitalism can't work amongst tribes of peaceful hunter-gatherers.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:That is debatable. I think its perfect.

Come at me little boy. You can run, but you'll get tired eventually.

It passed. Like I told you last night before that other thing.

I don't mean to be 'that guy', but you realise that it needs 100% support from the Board, President and Managers, right?

Pevvania wrote:I don't mean to be 'that guy', but you realise that it needs 100% support from the Board, President and Managers, right?

Then it didn't pass.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Then it didn't pass.

I see. I'll send out a big TG to all relevant officials a bit later. And of course, it has my support.

I just realised - Prussia's quit the Board! We need to host a by-election.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:That is debatable. I think its perfect.

Come at me little boy. You can run, but you'll get tired eventually.

It passed. Like I told you last night before that other thing.

Humpy you want to do this again. You will lose

So my computer has been refusing to work for the past few days.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:No one takes the bait?

I was going to respond, but then I kind of laughed it off.

Miencraft wrote:So my computer has been refusing to work for the past few days.

Excuses, excuses. :P

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Native Americans: proving that anarcho-capitalism can't work amongst tribes of peaceful hunter-gatherers.

Their whole system kinda got tampered with by the U.S. Government. Plus, by the time Jackson's Indian removal act passed, most tribes were actually representative democracies.

A recruitment drive, huh?

Gone are the days that I've managed Libertatem's NS++ recruitment tool, and I won't be unveiling my own personal diplomacy program quite yet, but I'll tell you what I can do: I can write up, or help write up, a mutual citizenship treaty between our two regions. That way you guys will at least get a few more like-minded participants in your political process, and maybe the IRU's government will see a bit more activity.

What do you guys think?

Conservative Idealism wrote:A recruitment drive, huh?

Gone are the days that I've managed Libertatem's NS++ recruitment tool, and I won't be unveiling my own personal diplomacy program quite yet, but I'll tell you what I can do: I can write up, or help write up, a mutual citizenship treaty between our two regions. That way you guys will at least get a few more like-minded participants in your political process, and maybe the IRU's government will see a bit more activity.

What do you guys think?

Sounds cool.

Hallo Island wrote:Their whole system kinda got tampered with by the U.S. Government. Plus, by the time Jackson's Indian removal act passed, most tribes were actually representative democracies.

Most tribes weren't anything near anarcho-capitalism anyhow.

It sounds cool Libretatem , libre = freedom

"Libertatem" is the Latin word for freedom, in case you can't tell by the libert- prefix.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Humpy you want to do this again. You will lose

Boy, I've beaten you onece, I will do it again you filthy statist loving scumsack. I don't give a half baked diddly doodly frickfrack about what your half baked brainwashed opinions entail

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Boy, I've beaten you onece, I will do it again you filthy statist loving scumsack. I don't give a half baked diddly doodly frickfrack about what your half baked brainwashed opinions entail

They entail whooping on your debate you ninny.

Hallo Island wrote:Their whole system kinda got tampered with by the U.S. Government. Plus, by the time Jackson's Indian removal act passed, most tribes were actually representative democracies.

What about all the frontiersmen that were operating outside of the US government in homesteading Indian lands?

I just spent the last three hours beating the hell out of this computer to get it to start.

It's only going to stay on for another five minutes before crashing again, I can feel it.

Miencraft wrote:I just spent the last three hours beating the hell out of this computer to get it to start.

It's only going to stay on for another five minutes before crashing again, I can feel it.

Three hours, close enough, right?

Pevvania

Fun fact: when I had my American history exam a year ago, a question came up on how much responsibility the Republican administrations of the 1920s had in causing the 1929 Wall Street Crash. My answer evoked the Austrian Business Cycle Theory to explain the crash, which ran contrary to the Kenyesian-inspired syllabus.

I was afraid that I would be punished for defying the orthodox, but instead I actually got an A+ for that question and an A for the exam overall.

Pevvania wrote:Fun fact: when I had my American history exam a year ago, a question came up on how much responsibility the Republican administrations of the 1920s had in causing the 1929 Wall Street Crash. My answer evoked the Austrian Business Cycle Theory to explain the crash, which ran contrary to the Kenyesian-inspired syllabus.

I was afraid that I would be punished for defying the orthodox, but instead I actually got an A+ for that question and an A for the exam overall.

Most impressive.

...Perhaps more impressive is that you had an American history class, come to think of it.

Why don't we talk anymore?

Conservative Idealism wrote:Most impressive.

...Perhaps more impressive is that you had an American history class, come to think of it.

Lol.

Well, I have officially set up the channel. If you want to make a request for your national anthem, just telegram me a picture of your flag and the name of your music, unless you would like me to write you original music, in that case, please specify in the telegram. (That would cost you money xD)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsBNJwvtVhNbh3PlkuwekBg

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Vichtander In Liberatem wrote:Well, I have officially set up the channel. If you want to make a request for your national anthem, just telegram me a picture of your flag and the name of your music, unless you would like me to write you original music, in that case, please specify in the telegram. (That would cost you money xD)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsBNJwvtVhNbh3PlkuwekBg

Hey, thanks for reminding me, I need to go chant Miencraftic words over the Age of Empires III theme.

I'll get around to that someday...

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Wow. Most pacifistic in Libertatem. When did that happen?

The New United States wrote:Wow. Most pacifistic in Libertatem. When did that happen?

Irony! Lol

I seriously has a dream the I got banjected and no one would talk to me. I have to stop eating before bed.

Free China States wrote:Hi! :D

Welcome to Libertatem!

Free China States wrote:Thanks!

Are you new to nationstates? Or have you played before?

I have played before. I currently have a few other accounts. Do you guys have off-site forums?

Free China States wrote:I have played before. I currently have a few other accounts. Do you guys have off-site forums?

We do, but they haven't seen much use as of late

http://libertatem.shivtr.com/

Free China States wrote:Oh ok.

Many of us are fairly active on the RMB. Which i think is the reason why we don't use the forum as much.

From the Fourth Edition introduction of America's Great Depression by Murray Rothbard:

"...the timidity and confusion of Reaganomics make very clear what its choice will be: massive inflation of money and credit, and hence the resumption of double-digit and perhaps higher inflation, which will drive interest rates even higher and prevent recovery... We can look forward, therefore, not precisely to a 1929-type depression, but to an inflationary depression of massive proportions. Until then, the Austrian program of hard money, the gold standard, abolition of the Fed, and laissez-faire, will have been rejected by everyone: economists, politicians, and the public, as too harsh and Draconian. But Austrian policies are comfortable and moderate compared to the economic hell of permanent inflation, stagnation, high unemployment, and inflationary depression that Keynesians and Friedmanite neo-Keynesians have gotten us into. Perhaps, this present and future economic holocaust will cause the American public to turn away from failed nostrums and toward the analysis and policy conclusions of the Austrian School."

Here, Rothbard is predicting the same thing that Keynesians like Paul Krugman were all predicting in the early 80s: that Reaganomics would lead to "double-digit and perhaps higher inflation", "which will drive interest rates higher and prevent recovery". These three predictions were horribly wrong, and the exact opposite happened.

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen

Libertatem contains 102 nations, the 131st most in the world.

Pevvania

And two more, but the point is we're over 100.

Do you guys believe in capitalism?

Confederate Nazis Of Germany wrote:Do you guys believe in capitalism?

Yes

Confederate Nazis Of Germany wrote:Do you guys believe in capitalism?

I do.

Confederate Nazis Of Germany wrote:Do you guys believe in capitalism?

No

Confederate Nazis Of Germany wrote:Do you guys believe in capitalism?

I believe in it because it's the only system where you can keep your own achievements and not have it taken away from you.

Daprington

Vichtander In Liberatem wrote:Yes

Interfront wrote:No

Behold, the magic of freedom!

You're actually allowed to disagree!

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Muh Roads, Hallo Island, Yrellian Confederacy, Vichtander In Liberatem, Midland County, Daprington

Greetings all new nations to Libertatem! Say hello, don't be shy! :)

Daprington

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Feminism is that you?

The Aradites wrote:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153385271961834&set=p.10153385271961834&type=1

Feminism is that you?

Hahahaha

https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11243641_10152770814936791_1556133789185641669_n.jpg?oh=8ff0225b8e86f8237dafad34e50c6230&oe=55C0750C

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11243641_10152770814936791_1556133789185641669_n.jpg?oh=8ff0225b8e86f8237dafad34e50c6230&oe=55C0750C

Heh. The whiteboard made me smile.

Republic Of Minerva

Republic Of Minerva wrote:https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11243641_10152770814936791_1556133789185641669_n.jpg?oh=8ff0225b8e86f8237dafad34e50c6230&oe=55C0750C

Tyrinth wrote:Heh. The whiteboard made me smile.

Number of Internet arguments won, that's fantastic. He must not play NS.

LOLOLOLO: http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/20/socialist-party-demanding-20-minimum-wage-insists-it-should-not-be-subject-to-20-minimum-wage/

Seattle is commie confirmed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Seattle is commie confirmed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle

Seattle is possibly one of the worst places on Earth. Being a Washingtonian myself, I can vouch for that.

Ustenland wrote:Seattle is possibly one of the worst places on Earth. Being a Washingtonian myself, I can vouch for that.

Seemed kind of nice compared to most of New Jersey back when I visited.

Tyrinth wrote:Seemed kind of nice compared to most of New Jersey back when I visited.

Heh, it's nice in that there are lots of cool buildings, like Pike's Place Market and the Space Needle, but I don't like the people there.

Ustenland wrote:Heh, it's nice in that there are lots of cool buildings, like Pike's Place Market and the Space Needle, but I don't like the people there.

EDIT: *most of the people

I do have a couple of friends that moved there.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Seattle is commie confirmed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle

Isn't it privately owned?

I'd like to visit Seattle, only because ive never been, not too far from me.

Im new to the game could someone help me out?

In a month this nation will go inactive. I will be leaving for Marine Bootcamp. The idea of me coming back to nation states is slim. This has been a great high school project since the sophomore year but this will be my nations end.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Muh Roads, Humpheria In Libertatem, Daprington

Northern Prussia wrote:In a month this nation will go inactive. I will be leaving for Marine Bootcamp. The idea of me coming back to nation states is slim. This has been a great high school project since the sophomore year but this will be my nations end.

Good luck

We'll miss you, Prussia.

Cape Breton Victoria wrote:Im new to the game could someone help me out?

Hello, welcome to the game.

The way the game works, you answer issues that come up in your issues inbox, and that affects the economy, political freedoms, cheese exports, etc of your nation. after a while, you can get really extreme results, and you start getting near the top of the list of nations in your region, and world wide. You can also collect plaques, which you accumulate for being in the top 10, 5, or 1 percent in your region, or the world.

The region you go to doesn't matter to your nation, it's just the nations you want to hang out with and talk to.

That's a short rundown. Anything I missed?

Oh, I forgot, the WA. The WA (World Assembly) Is sort of like the UN, in fact, it was first called by that name. You can endorse (Vote for) someone, and, with enough endorsements, they become the WA delegate of the region, and sometimes gain executive powers, if there is no founder, or the founder lets them. That basically means they can kick people out of the region, and change the world facbook entry, and suppress posts.

Northern Prussia wrote:In a month this nation will go inactive. I will be leaving for Marine Bootcamp. The idea of me coming back to nation states is slim. This has been a great high school project since the sophomore year but this will be my nations end.

Lol bye

Cape Breton Victoria wrote:Im new to the game could someone help me out?

All of what zombie said, however in an active region like ours, we have a few activities of our own. If your interested in learning more I or any of our other fine citizens here would be happy to help!

Northern Prussia wrote:In a month this nation will go inactive. I will be leaving for Marine Bootcamp. The idea of me coming back to nation states is slim. This has been a great high school project since the sophomore year but this will be my nations end.

Good luck sir, and it's been an honor.

The recruitment drive is going splendid :)

Muh Roads wrote:The recruitment drive is going splendid :)

What's our recruitment rate?

Northern Prussia wrote:In a month this nation will go inactive. I will be leaving for Marine Bootcamp. The idea of me coming back to nation states is slim. This has been a great high school project since the sophomore year but this will be my nations end.

Well I salute you.

Hallo Island wrote:What's our recruitment rate?

2.12%

Ah, so much fresh meat for the grinder.

Please, if you wish to sign up for Libertatem's military, please telegram me. Due to certain changes I cannot let you in on big invasions, but we can do practice runs.

Muh Roads

Whom holds the law of Libertatem account? There's some updating to be done... :p

The REDS Amendment did not pass the Board, correct?

The New United States wrote:The REDS Amendment did not pass the Board, correct?

No, it didn't. Sorry :/

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:No, it didn't. Sorry :/

Then I request that the Founder approves or disapproves of the Amendment, and I request that a House vote is put into motion.

The New United States wrote:Then I request that the Founder approves or disapproves of the Amendment, and I request that a House vote is put into motion.

Okay...

I thought that was already in motion, but.

The New United States wrote:Then I request that the Founder approves or disapproves of the Amendment, and I request that a House vote is put into motion.

I will ask him.

The Founder approves.

Pevvania wrote:The Founder approves.

Just to clarify, he has to say he approves for it to be legal. Otherwise, there would be no way of knowing for sure.

Pevvania, Muh Roads

I approve of the REDS Amendment.

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, Muh Roads, Humpheria In Libertatem

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