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Region: Libertatem
That reminded me.
I'd also support the South Party (Southern Party?)
So you want a white supremist party to take control of America because you like their economic/foreign policies?
Even though in the process they'll gas or deport anyone who isn't white?
Ok...that's some twisted logic.
As a white person, I see nothing wrong...
with picking a different party to support.
Well I also like a larger police with less militarization.
That's my issue.
Most of my policies are Libertarian supported but some such as a larger police force and highly closed borders as well as my Americanized Canadian, Caribbean and Mexican Plans throw me outside of the Libertarian spectrum and into the fascistic nationalism spectrum.
Alrighty, well nice talk guys.
Gonna go talk to my family (all immigrants and Jews) because thank God I live in a country where we aren't second class citizens and not in a Fascist Aryan hell hole.
... I'm Pro-Jews? And legal Immigration...when it comes to non-West African/Middle Eastern legals.
The LP is more likely to grant you less police militarization, foreign non-interventionism, and a smaller government than the Third Position Party.
Police funding would be more heavily state dependent, which would force them to look after themselves without the police militarizing and popping out of everywhere (ferguson)
Lol bye.
Well remember the scenario...they died. I support the L.P. over all parties currently with The Constitutional Party being my #2.
I'm for Non-Interventionism but am For American Imperialism of adjacent influential countries like Mexico and the Caribbean.
I like a large police force but don't like the privacy being taken away. So long as the police keep regular police cars and regular police guns I don't care what kinds of amour they got.
You do realize that in their attempt to deport all the illeguls and brown people, the American fascists would most likely run into some serious debt problems (most likely because of the former) and therefore attempt genocide? That's a logical conclusion at least.
Imperialism doesn't mesh with the LP at all. Non-interventionism means anti-imperialism. Imperialism is expensive and unsustainable.
Try another party.
And please, stop scaring off all our guests!
Well if y'all don't need TCB's support today, then I must depart. Be well.
--[nation=short]MSLuvsZenya[/nation] / [nation=short]Modern Sin[/nation]
Last I checked they didn't want to deport them...it might have changed but yeah. Even the Nazi Party doesn't want them deported. They want all Illegals deported which I immediately support.
I'm a Non-Interventionist Imperialist!
How?
Imperialist: I support America Intervention and expansion into the rest of the Americas due to their closer proximity and thus level of destabilizing threat. I also support intervention in other affairs that could harm America such as Isis.
Non-Interventionism: If a war is not ours and threatens none of Americas Primary assets then I say stay out. I do not agree with any government aid to any countries for any reason whatsoever.
Distraction!
Anyone care to explain to me how new math works?
http://i.imgur.com/3FEYToS.jpg
9+6=15
Subtract 1 from 6 so the 6 becomes a 5.
Add the 1 you took from 6 to 5 to make the 9 10.
Solve for 10+5 and get 15
It doesn't. That's the problem! ;-)
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I still have no idea how anyone thinks that makes sense.
It makes some sense....the problem you link doesn't though.
Oh it works, alright - using addition to solve a subtraction problem, however, is a very convoluted way of doing it.
9+6=15 is the same as 10+5=15, is what he's trying to say. Again, convoluted.
It's laughable that they prescribe any one way of solving a problem. The difference is that schools used to teach students how to think rather than what to think.
i tink that the baltic coast is a puppet of one of those communist regions like das kommune or that reformed league region.
Probably. There are lots of puppets, enemy and ally alike, in our region; however, it would be to authoritative to go through and banned everyone we thought were spies (at least without trial). So we let them stay.
I think Liberosia is a spy.
*Nods*
Maybe we're all spies.
Where are we with putting the BRA amendment to a vote so we can get to other business?
We really need to debate a flag change. For the fifth or sixth time I've been approached by a prospective ally only to have to explain that we are not enemies of all leftist regions because they're repulsed by our flag. If that isn't bad enough, we've got TTA expounding on the RMB about his vile "kill all the ____" theories. Talk about grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory...
I will go with the Founder's opinion on this one. But his flag would be a superb replacement.
Wait...what?
BRA? And when have I done a "Kill all the _____" Theory?
There's also a blue version of Lib's flag that is currently the thingymadoohickey in the Presidential Office factbook.
His flag has Anarco-Capitalist symbols on it though and we are not all Anarco-Capitalist.
Correction: I THINK they are Anarco-Capitalist symbols.
If they aren't please correct me.
As the guy that made that flag, I can confirm that they are ancap symbols.
I thought it'd be implied by the heavy use of yellow.
That still doesn't solve the main problem. If we could at least include an anti-fascist symbol as well, the we can demonstrate some unity with moderate-left allies. If we want the help of those regions, we need to show some compromise. Right now our flag is undercutting the very war it symbolizes by repelling the allies we need to fight it.
Along with that it shouldn't exactly include a certain form of Libertarianism or Anarchism. Even though they are the majority ideologies we don't all support the same forms of it.
Sorry, which flag are we talking about? I might be mistaken...
Lib's.
If we do use Lib's flag, I can easily remove the excess symbols.
This region's sole original purpose is to fight Communism. We do have Communist allies that understand that our war is not against all Communism. Those that don't understand this will make enemies of us anyways.
I'm fine with the use of Libs flag so long as the Anarco-Capitalist symbols are removed.
I think you should have an Anti-Fascist symbol on place of one and maybe Anti-Monarchy/Theocracy symbol on another since they are also oppressive forms of government.
But... muh symmetry!
Also, again, we're fundamentally an anti-Communist region. While our war has been expanded to be more of a war on totalitarianism, our flag should reflect what we were created for and what the bulk of our fighting is against.
And some other stuff about Communist allies (see: embassy construction w/ TCB)
I know fundamentally we are an Anti-Communist region and that's why that symbol can take center stage, but still we have expanded. We can't always be stuck in the past. We can keep tradition, but at the same time we need to expand our symbols (such as our flag) to fit who we are today and that is a firce agaibst all tyranny.
It's worth noting that the hammer and sickle is a Bolshevik/Stalinist symbol and not accepted by all communists. Most libertarian communists use the red and black flag, the anarchy symbol, the clenched fist, whatever.
Those communists who do use it are woefully naive.
That being said, we should change our flag so that others do not get the wrong idea. Keeping it for the sake of tradition is nonsense.
I currently don't have any good ideas for a flag though.
This is true too.
Now that I think about it, I actually may have something. It's a take on the Gadsden Flag that I created a long time ago, except in a logo form. Let me see.
I'll be real I like the flag as it is
you dont even live here
"https://www.nationstates.net/region=commonwealth_of_free_nations"
is next to your name when you post
Yeah.
then why do you give a single flipping flop as to what our flag looks like
Trust me Lack, you'll be blown away.
I have incorporated every single symbol of liberty I could find into this flag, most of them are subtle.
May we see it?
I'm already having trust issues with you and now you want to change one of the few things remaining from the olden days
Because someday I'll have my darn citizenship back, which I hate how dang beuarcrat citizenship is. Technically I'm not a CFN citizen either.
This.
Still putting the things together.
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As this is an amendment proposal, I request that our President initiate a poll.
So we'll either need to wait until after the threat passes, or Liberosia could set it up instead.
I support having the hammer and sickle in our flag just so long as other symbols gor fascism and other forms of tyranny are used.
The President has access to the founder's account, so it's all good.
Yup. Should be going up shortly.
The hammer and sickle is the most oppressive symbol and the main target of our scorn. The tyrannical Soviet Union waved that horrible banner and brought shame to all other communists as they killed ten times more people than had died under the infamous swastika. Evil has never been more closely unified than under the calling card of the Bolsheviks, and that is what this region was born to oppose.
1. It is yes, but it only covers leftist tyranny not Right Wing Tyranny and Not Classical Tyranny.
2. I know. If we go by that then the Crown and Cross are the most tyrannical symbols going by people killed.
3. I don't know Theocratic Tyranny and Fascist Tyranny are also pretty United....well somewhat...
4. I understand that the Sickle and Hammer is the worst but we still need to acknowledge the fact we also fight the others and have others acknowledge it.
Sure hope I did that right.
Constitution says 5 days for amendments, so don't kill me if it's too long or something.
Okay guys, here is the flag:
http://i60.tinypic.com/2e6d7rt.png
Overview of the symbolism:
Background color: The background color is buff. You'll recall this is the same color used in the pants of military soldiers, particularly American. It was later adopted as the Whig party's color and is generally associated with it. It is also the color of my state flag.
Gadsden Snake: The snake from the "Don't tread on me" flag. Associated with libertarianism and now the NAP.
Liberty cap: This cap (often on a pole) symbolized free slaves in the Roman Empire. The Gadsden snake curls around it, as if to protect it.
Ama-gi: On the bottom rung of the snake, if you look closely, you'll see the symbol of Ama-gi. This is the oldest known expression of freedom, found in ancient Sumeria.
Noli Me Calcare: It means "Don't tread on me" in Latin. I figured since our name "Libertatem" is latin, this would be a good motto for us.
We know that our war is against all tyrants, no matter where on the political spectrum they hide - we are not obligated to force others to take our word for it.
That it does. Works for me.
Then why don't we show it in our flag?
I just said we're not obligated to force others to take our word for it, and we shouldn't have to bend over backwards to do so (if we even do so at all). Political correctness is no excuse for removing one of our region's most honored traditions.
This new flag highlights moreso our devotion to liberty (Libertatem) than anti-authoritarianism however.
I couldn't think up any universal anti-authoritarian symbol, and I don't see why we should present it as such.
Otherwise it's a damn good flag, if I'd say so myself. My only concern is if it is well rendered on the small space we have for a flag.
Of what? A crossed out communist flag?
Our flag. For years, I might add.
We're still keeping the major part of our flag...and keeping it the center theme I might add. Just adding to it.
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This.
Stop being stuck to tradition instead of true representation.
Noli me Calcare, bich
Gatorade me.
How about we have a vote on the damn flag? So this doesn't waste our time any longer?
"Should we change the flag to x"
I'll tread where i damn well please, THIS IS MURICA'
I could totally do that next.
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o/
You can tread where you want so long as you don't hurt another
Need citizenship somewhere...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFRs2U2pnH4
Reminds me of a story he told where he got a Gatorade and then threw it at someone who shouted that at him.
Here's what the flag would look like on our region (I used a test region):
http://www.nationstates.net/region=lausanne
You can just make out the motto.
Thats a great flag min!
Thanks!
Click me for a blow up.
Fact: Whenever people refer to Minerva as "Min", I think they're talking about me and get very confused because I did nothing 99% of the time.
There's a joke here somewhere.
dont encourage him
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I'd like to see you come up with something better. >.>
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I'll be honest, as much as I've loved your other designs, I don't really like the flag. The colours are drab, the shapes are weak and the whole thing looks a little Arab to me. Something as daring and as bold as Liberosia's flag would be better.
Yeah I still really like Lib's flag but with the suggested changes of the left symbol being a Red crossed-Fascist symbol and the right symbol being a Red Crossed Cross and Crown
Since Fascism Communism (Center for traditional reasons) and Absolute Monarchies are the most oppressive governments
I'm pretty sure the lack of symmetry that would result from that (on top of how crowded it would get with how big those other symbols would need to be to be visible) would just make it look worse.
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Actually, they could be pretty visible, but I think including any other crossed-off symbols in Lib's flag in place of the ancap ones would just make it look horrible. I can remove the ancap symbols if we want to use that flag, but I'm not putting anything else where they used to be.
Then We can do it symmetrically.
Put the Fascist Symbol above the Communist one and then the Monarchic one below the communist one.
Oh god.
1) That area has already had so many effects applied to it that changing it would literally mean I'd have to do the entire flag from scratch
2) Probably very cluttered
There's not enough space.
Fair points...
Damn I guess you're right. Just get rid of the Anarco-Cappie symbols. I want the representation, but not at the chance of ruining the flag.
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