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The Amarican Empire wrote:Pev is not the Sovereign,Liberosia is!

Since it's impossible to overthrow a founder, overthrowing the President is basically what we consider treason.

Humpheria wrote:Who you callin a tyrant?

No one.

The New United States wrote:Even if those who rebel/revolt are attempting to install another tyrannical system?

Is Jabhat an-Nusra good because they are fighting Bashar?

...Damn it.

*ONLY revolutions against Tyrants can be good.

Not every Revolution is though.

Its like saying an overthrowing the Feds would be treason!

The Amarican Empire wrote:In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors, such as the murder of a husband by his wife or that of a master by his servant. Treason against the king was known as high treason and treason against a lesser superior was petty treason. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.

Mr.T did not say sack Libertatem he said overthrow Pev. Pev is not the Sovereign,Liberosia is!

Semantics.

The Amarican Empire wrote:In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors, such as the murder of a husband by his wife or that of a master by his servant. Treason against the king was known as high treason and treason against a lesser superior was petty treason. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.

Mr.T did not say sack Libertatem he said overthrow Pev. Pev is not the Sovereign,Liberosia is!

Go check out the Constitution and the Presidents' Amendment. Unless Liberosia says Pev isn't executive, Pev is the executive. So, by your logic, Pev is the sovereign.

The Amarican Empire wrote:In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors, such as the murder of a husband by his wife or that of a master by his servant. Treason against the king was known as high treason and treason against a lesser superior was petty treason. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.

Mr.T did not say sack Libertatem he said overthrow Pev. Pev is not the Sovereign,Liberosia is!

...So by those terms....

...

...

SEE Not treason.

Humpheria wrote:Go check out the Constitution and the Presidents' Amendment. Unless Liberosia says Pev isn't executive, Pev is the executive. So, by your logic, Pev is the sovereign.

Plus, y'know, it's impossible to overthrow Liberosia anyways...

Albenia wrote:...So by those terms....

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...

SEE Not treason.

That's a crap argument because

Miencraft wrote:Plus, y'know, it's impossible to overthrow Liberosia anyways...

Miencraft wrote:That's a crap argument because

Now I'm referring to another case.

Miencraft wrote:Plus, y'know, it's impossible to overthrow Liberosia anyways...

Thats Glorious eternal leader to you, buddy. :D

Albenia wrote:Now I'm referring to another case.

"against one's... nation"

So, uh, yeah, it was.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Its like saying an overthrowing the Feds would be treason!

It is. Overthrowing any form of the federal government is considered treason by the United States. He openly called for an enemy region to attack us, why are you using semantics and wordplay to let someone who attempted to overthrow the government become a citizen?

Albenia wrote:...So by those terms....

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...

SEE Not treason.

No TTA you turned on your fellow comrades in combat. that is an act of trason because you directly harmed the region.

Muh Roads wrote:Thats Glorious eternal leader to you, buddy. :D

Liberosia is Kim Jong?

Kill me now.

Miencraft wrote:Liberosia is Kim Jong?

Kill me now.

LOL.

The Amarican Empire wrote:No TTA you turned on your fellow comrades in combat. that is an act of trason because you directly harmed the region.

It was not an of-

You knoq what. We'll handle this in court

The Amarican Empire wrote:No TTA you turned on your fellow comrades in combat. that is an act of trason because you directly harmed the region.

He was ruled as such. He was found guilty of treasin and banned from the region. He is back on probation in an attempt to appeal.

Humpheria wrote:It is. Overthrowing any form of the federal government is considered treason by the United States. He openly called for an enemy region to attack us, why are you using semantics and wordplay to let someone who attempted to overthrow the government become a citizen?

Overthrowing the feds would not be treason, it would be an act of Patriotism. We the People are the Sovereign of the United States.

*cough*criminal dodge*cough* JK

We need a living wage, more regulations, and a greater centralized government.

Miencraft wrote:Liberosia is Kim Jong?

Kill me now.

Liberosia wrote:The position of Eternal Leader is already filled, godammit

The Amarican Empire wrote:Overthrowing the feds would not be treason, it would be an act of Patriotism. We the People are the Sovereign of the United States.

According to the law of the United States, yes, it would be treason.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Overthrowing the feds would not be treason, it would be an act of Patriotism. We the People are the Sovereign of the United States.

That is literally the farthest thing from relevance I could possibly fathom.

Miencraft wrote:According to the law of the United States, yes, it would be treason.

Blame your grandparents.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Overthrowing the feds would not be treason, it would be an act of Patriotism. We the People are the Sovereign of the United States.

...therefore Terentuem should not be tried???

The New United States wrote:...therefore Terentuem should not be tried???

Exactly

(I think? )

Miencraft wrote:According to the law of the United States, yes, it would be treason.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness- The Declaration of Independence.

Now that that is over i will continue to be the yes man of the RLP.

Then take him to trial on terrorism charges. Boom.

Being a Yes man is bad.

This isnt the US. This is Libertatem, We run off of Libertatems laws, not those of the United States of America. [nation=the law of libertatem] acquaint yourself with it people. *drops law book in front of Amarican*

The Amarican Empire wrote:That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness- The Declaration of Independence.

Now that that is over i will continue to be the yes man of the RLP.

You are correct and there are proper ways to do that. Asking our enemies to smite us is not one.

The Board has collected 3 votes in favor of a trial.

The government wouldn't even allow you to make your own unofficial businesses, houses, and transactions. If you buy the land you have to pay property tax.

The only way a group of "patriots" could successfully secede from the US is if they bought up a bunch of land, weapons, and then entered a Waco like scenario, except for the sole reason of sovereignty, eventually resulting in two scenarios: a.) the government kills everyone there or b.) the government allows these patriots to live uninterrupted.

Ankha wrote:This isnt the US. This is Libertatem, We run off of Libertatems laws, not those of the United States of America. [nation=the law of libertatem] acquaint yourself with it people. *drops law book in front of Amarican*

*Reads laws*

OOOH we did pass the Appeals act.

Secession would be more viable than revolution, imo, and affect less people negatively.

Ankha wrote:This isnt the US. This is Libertatem, We run off of Libertatems laws, not those of the United States of America. [nation=the law of libertatem] acquaint yourself with it people. *drops law book in front of Amarican*

Ankha wrote:This isnt the US. This is Libertatem, We run off of Libertatems laws, not those of the United States of America. [nation=the law of libertatem] acquaint yourself with it people. *drops law book in front of Amarican*

Ankha wrote:This isnt the US. This is Libertatem, We run off of Libertatems laws, not those of the United States of America. [nation=the law of libertatem] acquaint yourself with it people. *drops law book in front of Amarican*

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Secession would be more viable than revolution, imo, and affect less people negatively.

All 50 States souls gather into groups and Secede.

Albenia wrote:*Reads laws*

OOOH we did pass the Appeals act.

That is also true. We just need to remember to conduct this matter fairly, and do everything as the law says. We arent doing "Im mad" Hes guilty. We need to use the law for this, for all legal matters. WE DONT USE THE US's laws. Remember that. We use the Laws of Libertatem.

Humpheria wrote:

Why triple quote?

Or Separate all 50 states each with their own government.

fine, i announce that i voted Yea for a trial. most of the people seem to be in favor of it.

"It is the People's Duty to Disobey Unjust laws."

Miencraft wrote:The Board has collected 3 votes in favor of a trial.

As it is past Pev's bedtime in a different time zone. I, as Vice President and acting exceutive under the VEEP Act, authorize the defense and the prosecution (whoever would want to be prosecutor) to begin preparing arguments. The initiation of the trial will be up to the new Attorney General. Mr. Chairman, please organize the jury of six due to our recent low activity numbers.

The Amarican Empire wrote:fine, i announce that i voted Yea for a trial. most of the people seem to be in favor of it.

Your say all that? And then vote yea?

*facepalm*

Ankha wrote:Why triple quote?

Triple emphasis.

Albenia wrote:"It is the People's Duty to Disobey Unjust laws."

Easy there Thoreau. Don't wanna find your freedom in a prison cell ;)

I believe you were looking for this:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson.

One of my good political quotes...

Humpheria wrote:Triple emphasis.

Its true. We need to look at this through a level-headed, just, unbiased standpoint. Thats what Im doing.

Muh Roads wrote:Easy there Thoreau. Don't wanna find your freedom in a prison cell ;)

I don't think that was Thoreau

Humpheria wrote:As it is past Pev's bedtime in a different time zone. I, as Vice President and acting exceutive under the VEEP Act, authorize the defense and the prosecution (whoever would want to be prosecutor) to begin preparing arguments. The initiation of the trial will be up to the new Attorney General. Mr. Chairman, please organize the jury of six due to our recent low activity numbers.

And so everyone knows, also under VEEP, when Pev wakes up if he decides to rescind this, anything the VP does, the President may change. But we have to wait for the new AG before we have a trial.

Ankha wrote:I believe you were looking for this:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson.

One of my good political quotes...

There you go

I dont think thats a real quote.

Ankha wrote:I believe you were looking for this:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson.

One of my good political quotes...

Albenia wrote:Your say all that? And then vote yea?

*facepalm*

My opinion remains the same, but as i said in the campaign that got be elected in the first place, I will act with the people. the Majority want a trial.

Ankha wrote:I believe you were looking for this:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson.

One of my good political quotes...

Oh I thought he was referring to this:

If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law, Thoreau

The Board has voted 4 in favor and one not present to commence a Trial against the nation of Terentuem on the charges of Treason.

The Trial shall commence as soon as an Attorney General has been assigned and declares the trial to have begun.

Please note that the Regional Message Board will be unavailable for public discussion for the duration of the trial.

I will announce the names of the six Jurors shortly. If a name is called who does not wish to participate in the Jury, I will attempt to replace them if we have the appropriate numbers.

Muh Roads wrote:Oh I thought he was referring to this:

If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law, Thoreau

Oh, I just knew the one I wrote off the top of my head. I didnt know the Thoreau one.

Ankha wrote:Oh, I just knew the one I wrote off the top of my head. I didnt know the Thoreau one.

I'm a fan of Thoreau. Even though he was a little wacko.

Ankha wrote:I believe you were looking for this:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson.

One of my good political quotes...

Yes.

The Amarican Empire wrote:My opinion remains the same, but as i said in the campaign that got be elected in the first place, I will act with the people. the Majority want a trial.

THIS!

THIS is a man of the people.

Miencraft wrote:The Board has voted 4 in favor and one not present to commence a Trial against the nation of Terentuem on the charges of Treason.

The Trial shall commence as soon as an Attorney General has been assigned and declares the trial to have begun.

Please note that the Regional Message Board will be unavailable for public discussion for the duration of the trial.

I will announce the names of the six Jurors shortly. If a name is called who does not wish to participate in the Jury, I will attempt to replace them if we have the appropriate numbers.

He is correct. During a trial, the region stops and only Def., Pro., and Officials may post. As precedent-ed by the Alchandria Trial.

Albenia wrote:THIS is a man of the people.

Vox populi!

Albenia wrote:THIS!

THIS is a man of the people.

I do it a thousand times and he does it once. Thanks, TTA. I love you too.

Humpheria wrote:I do it a thousand times and he does it once. Thanks, TTA. I love you too.

Humpheria wrote:I do it a thousand times and he does it once. Thanks, TTA. I love you too.

....Hehe

Love ya Humph

Ooh, can I be on this trial?

Mien: Anhka, and whoever volunteers to be prosecutor is not eligible for the jury. FYI.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Ooh, can I be on this trial?

You can be a prosecutor if you know the trial well enough or Mien can assign you to the jury.

Humpheria wrote:Mien: Anhka, and whoever volunteers to be prosecutor is not eligible for the jury. FYI.

Of course.

Humpheria wrote:You can be a prosecutor if you know the trial well enough or Mien can assign you to the jury.

Yay!

Preferably I would like to be on the jury

Muh Roads wrote:Vox populi!

The voice of the people indeed.

Aequitas Equitas est in omnes.

Humpheria wrote:Mien: Anhka, and whoever volunteers to be prosecutor is not eligible for the jury. FYI.

I do not wish to take part in the defense, but I can consult on either side, and will offer my opinion if asked or if necessary. If Mr. T does want my defense, I will offer it to him out of his rights to lawyer, and because I plan to use the fact that I am somewhat well versed in the law to help him to the furthest extent possible. Anyway, I will be on neither side currently, but if I am put on the jury, OK. I wish neither to prosecute nor defend without request.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Preferably I would like to be on the jury

Poof. You are now in the RNG for the jury.

Ankha wrote:Anyway, I will be on neither side currently, but if I am put on the jury, OK. I wish neither to prosecute nor defend without request.

You have been assigned a number to be put into a RNG for the jury. If you change your mind, you can always step down from that, as it's not mandatory to participate in the jury if you're picked.

Miencraft wrote:Poof. You are now in the RNG for the jury.

You have been assigned a number to be put into a RNG for the jury. If you change your mind, you can always step down from that, as it's not mandatory to participate in the jury if you're picked.

OK. Thank you. *tips hat, sits down with phenomenal posture*

Ankha wrote:The voice of the people indeed.

Aequitas Equitas est in omnes.I do not wish to take part in the defense, but I can consult on either side, and will offer my opinion if asked or if necessary. If Mr. T does want my defense, I will offer it to him out of his rights to lawyer, and because I plan to use the fact that I am somewhat well versed in the law to help him to the furthest extent possible. Anyway, I will be on neither side currently, but if I am put on the jury, OK. I wish neither to prosecute nor defend without request.

I thought you already agreed to be his defense.

If I'm current only citizens are able to be on the jury?

Can.. Can I volunteer for a Juror position?

Every citizen with reasonable activity levels has been added to the RNG for the jury.

I will call 6 numbers and their corresponding nations shortly. Well, after we get

Humpheria wrote:I thought you already agreed to be his defense.

that cleared up.

Albenia wrote:If I'm current only citizens are able to be on the jury?

That is correct.

Albenia wrote:If I'm current only citizens are able to be on the jury?

uhh..... ya.

Humpheria wrote:I thought you already agreed to be his defense.

If he asks. Otherwise, I will offer my opinion, 100% based on facts (laws)

The New United States wrote:Can.. Can I volunteer for a Juror position?

You have been added to the RNG, but if one of the chosen does not wish to be a juror and you are not already on the jury, you can replace them.

The New United States wrote:Can.. Can I volunteer for a Juror position?

You have to be appointed by the Chairman.

Humpheria wrote:uhh..... ya.

Thank God.

There's no possible chance I'm be involved so I can completely ignore this region while that trials going on.

Why is he on trial for treason?

I swear on my honor as Chairman that I had no diabolical influence in the drawing of these numbers, and that these were the results as chosen by random.org from a pool containing 16 of the most active citizens:

10

16

14

12

15

8

The names are:

Pevvania

Seafield Islands

Right-Winged Nation

Amarican Empire

Ankha

The New United States

I'm not exactly sure what the procedure is if the President ends up on the jury, though...

Northern Prussia wrote:Why is he on trial for treason?

He is under suspicion for trying to start war against Libertatem with another region.

Northern Prussia wrote:Why is he on trial for treason?

He asked the UCR to attack us.

I've got a feel that seafield might not show.

That is hardly grounds for a trial

Muh Roads wrote:I've got a feel that seafield might not show.

Well, I can always generate a new name if he's not here when the new AG shows up.

Unless someone wishes to volunteer.

Miencraft wrote:I swear on my honor as Chairman that I had no diabolical influence in the drawing of these numbers, and that these were the results as chosen by random.org from a pool containing 16 of the most active citizens:

10

16

14

12

15

8

The names are:

Pevvania

Seafield Islands

Right-Winged Nation

Amarican Empire

Ankha

The New United States

Have each of these nations confirm on the RMB to ensure activity and understanding. I don't think Pev should be on because the trial directly involves him.

Northern Prussia wrote:That is hardly grounds for a trial

The board has decided by vast majority that we do have grounds for a trial.

We'll see what comes of this after it begins.

Also, if anyone would like to volunteer for prosecution and defense, that'd be nice.

Muh Roads wrote:I've got a feel that seafield might not show.

Humpheria wrote:Have each of these nations confirm on the RMB to ensure activity and understanding. I don't think Pev should be on because the trial directly involves him.

Aye, I was thinking the same. I'll have him re-generated.

Northern Prussia wrote:That is hardly grounds for a trial

Hahaha trial. We're going to tie the accused to a cement block and throw him in the river. If he floats to the surface then he's not a wit...

I mean yea trial.

Northern Prussia wrote:That is hardly grounds for a trial

He asked someone to attack us. Yeah, it is.

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Anyways, Ankha has also come to me about potentially being unable to participate in the jury.

So, I guess I'll generate a new jury just because I can, then whoever gets called will be telegrammed.

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