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Region: Libertatem
That doesn't mean we give up.
This is funny:
http://i.imgur.com/2yprfu9.jpg
That made me laugh.
Nobody said anything about active citizens. That is the majority of citizens period. Besides, that is only if a veto is ordered. Now you only need 10.
I know...
I'm going to anti authoritarian alliance for a while. Do not takes this as me denouncing my citizenship.
Lol
Why?
I oppose such an amendment. Many may recall that we've changed the name of the War a few times on an unofficial basis. For a while, it was called the War on Totalitarianism, and then the War on Tyranny after that before it was changed back to the War on Communism.
There are multiple names we can use: War on Statism, War on Bolshevism, War on Stalinism. We can use any one of these, but we don't need to amend the Constitution just for that. I also don't want our war to appear like some vague neo-conservative human rights declaration. We fight on the principle that statism is wrong, and that the far-left of NationStates are destroying the game through their lust for power.
Why call it a war against at all. A war against is aggressive and repressive, why not say something like a war to protect freedom and liberty. The protection of repressed Capitalistic/ Libertarian groups. Why do we so eagerly rush to call it a war on Communism or Totalitarianism. Words like that are not what people looking to rally behind us are gonna want to hear. If we were to make this change I think we need to cast ourselves in a different light.
I would be the first to declare myself anti-communist and anti-statist, but to declare war against the whole of a people sounds sort of statist and totalitarian if you ask me, but hey I'm just 17 what do I know?
As to a majority vote to override a veto. Isn't that just majority rule. How can we repress any individuals and call ourselves Libertarian or Objectivists or however you identify
Hello I come from the L.R.S.S.
I would like to provide a certain degree of information regarding the far left on nationstates. The ultimate aim of the far left is social equality by any means necessary, this includes opposing totalitarian governments. Some theories surrounding the "dictatorship of the proletariat" include the idea that for the revolution to be completely successful it must, at an eventual stage, decentralise. However others are of the opinion that only a strong central government can protect their Socialism, especially whilst aggressive capitalist nations still exist.
Nearly all true socialist will not agree with authoritarian leadership, at least on a permanent basis. I worry your information about what the majority of socialists believe in is false or at best skewed. Additional concerns are that, of course there are some dictatorial socialist states, all left-aligning regions will be tarred with the same ultra-libertarian brush as being oppressive.
I offer to enlighten this region and would like to see some form of better information regarding socialist ideologies. If interested in further debate please telegram me or send a diplomat to our region? :)
I would be happy to conduct a NK style interview if necessary.
To overthrow a veto we should make a system that is irrefutable and undeniable that what we are doing is right and justified. We should have to have that check for all systems. Every time we hear something dependent on how the board feels at least one board member should disagree( regardless to whether they agree or not) and look into ways to get that issue through. That way all people have a voice. If there is even a single exception to a law, something undeclared or implied that it can be abused. We need to have a system with limited law (like we have), but without any loopholes or endless rows of amendments. We need to find a way to reason through all issues and find solace in the fact that no matter what we say, no matter how outrageous an idea or a proposed law that someone will listen and look into its viability. If I was elected to the third seat than I would do all in my power to make sure that every individual inside and outside the nation who has an idea on how Libertatem should be run would be heard. Hell I'd be willing to push legislation to make a new Department of government who's sole role is to listen to the new ideas and try to convince people of them because that is the only way we'll truly be free. When every individual can include their judgement. When people are heard. Libertarians are not only in our region, they are everywhere and giving them hope needs to be our primary concern. Before I came here I never had hope to find Anti-statist like the citizens here. Now I have hope, and I know there are others in the position I was in not too long ago. I fwe have to make one small change to get them here then we should. Presidential veto is a statist ideal and should be unheard of. Presidential veto is an extension of the President's power and if it goes against the people it shoud be stopped. It is an undeniable and may I say fundamental ideal of Libertatem that when faced with statism we fight back
The Constitutional amendments I will propose will be as follows.
1. The repellent of Article 8
If that fails then I will do an Amendment Revising Article 8 to say Anti-Statism
Also. I'll conduct an interview on him.
Socializing the means of production will always require authoritarian force. Socialism is by its nature a totalitarian ideology, which always lead to the disappearance of individual liberties, such as private enterprise and freedom of insurance.
And I laughed when I read " aggressive capitalist nations ".
Northern-Vietnam on Southern-Vietnam, North-Korea on South-Korea , USSR on Afghanisatn, China on Tibet...
There is no doubt that the communist bloc was the most aggressive against capitalist countries during the cold war.
Cuba!
Actually small capitalist enterprises are fine with most progressive forms of Socialism, the issue is about taxation and public spending. We dislike the power corporations wield in the economy.
And I could just as easily list US, British or French acts of aggression... which have taken place long before the Russian revolution...
Oh remember that imperialism and slavery thing that lasted for 400 + years?
What is the L.R.S.S.?
If it is conducted at all, it would be up to the State Department to appoint someone to represent us. This would be a diplomatic venture, not a private one like your submission to North Korea.
The League of Reformed Socialist States
Then it's no interview.
You'll be concerned with a debate...not actually looking at what they truly believe. Your all to closed minded. I don't trust a Libertatem Interview mission.
It's an interview. Not a debate.
Besides...my interviews aren't diplomatic....
Although I'm trying to use them to see if they could be.
If it is someone interviewing someone on a region, the interviewed must be an official appointee. When you surrendered our values to NK in your "interview", you talked to an official representative, not a private citizen who did not even stand for the region's beliefs. You did not interview a capitalist resident of NK about NK. You do not believe in Libertatem's values and beliefs, therefore it would be useless to interview about Libertatem's values and beliefs.
You can interview whomever you would like on a private basis. But an informational inquiry would be a function of our State Department and not a private citizen.
I'm not over here trying to promote Libertatem beliefs.
I'm over here showing the reason others believe the way they believe. Why wpuld I not talk to an official representative. They obviously understand their beliefs.
It is the same thing here. Why would he not talk to an official representative here? They would obviously understand our beliefs. So why would he interview you, the person who literally runs every election on completely changing the region's belief system.
If I may input here... I believe it is all done with good intention and creates a positive space for ideological dialogue. I know that it clears up misconceptions surrounding our differences too.
He is interviewing me, I am not interviewing him...
So did you guys hear about the time when Shrek got his onions taken by Bowser
That's fine. I thought that you said that you were going to interview us.
I might in the future.
...*Facepalm*
Interview a Libertatemite...
doubleplus ungood thoughtcrime
I hated pretending to like that...
Net Neutrality is a lousy idea - Reason
President Barack Obama recently came out in favor of both "net neutrality" and the FCC changing the way that Internet service providers, or ISPs, are regulated. Shortly thereafter, Sen. Ted Cruz opined "'Net Neutrality' is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government." Obama's and Cruz's statements fed into the popular misconception that the proposed FCC reclassification is the same thing as net neutrality. It's not. The policies are distinct, though both are bad ideas.
http://reason.com/archives/2014/11/12/net-neutrality-is-a-lousy-idea
How to Deal with North Korea - CATO
By Doug Bandow
The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea long has been recognized as one of the globes most difficult challenges. For two decades concern over Pyongyangs nuclear program has dominated international attention toward the Korean peninsula. The new United Nations report on the Norths human-rights practices reminds us that the DPRK most directly is a threat to its own people.
Washington needs to develop a positive package for a reform North Korean leadership: peace treaty, trade, aid and integration.
What to do about the North Korean problem has troubled three successive U.S. administrations. All have variously tried engagement and isolation, without success; embraced South Korea and Japan, allied states threatened by Pyongyang; and pressed China, the Norths only ally, to intervene. The result is a tentative nuclear state seemingly ruled by an immature third-generation dictator willing to terrorize even his own family. At least there have been few direct consequences for America, which has sufficient military capacity to deter all but the insane or suicidal, neither of which, thankfully, appears to characterize the leaders in Pyongyang.
Not so lucky are the residents of North Korea, however. There never has been any question about the extraordinary nature of DPRK tyranny. Among others, The Committee for Human Rights in North Korea has published devastating reports on North Korean human-rights practices. But the United Nations just released its own gruesome analysis. The UN typically fillsits official human-rights bodies with human-rights offendersChina, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Gaddafis Libya, etc. However, Pyongyangs practices are so grotesque that even the normally tolerant world body took notice.
The UN issued 372 pages of detailed findings. But the 36-page summary report alone is devastating. The finding is simple: systematic, widespread and gross human rights violations have been and are being committed by the DPRK. In many instances, the violations found entailed crimes against humanity based on State policies. While far too many nations today mistreat and even murder their peoples, North Koreas policies are extraordinary and extreme by any standard.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/how-deal-north-korea-0
I propose that the Board vote on the embassy request from Pro Choice.
Let's play guess the average age of DK citizens. I would say 12.
5 and a half
Being aa bit generous, aren't we?
13-20
Bout the same age of Libertatemites.
They don't age. They are aborted violently by state guards before they are born.
...
Bahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
It would seem, through age admittance and maturity that being 13 there is pushing the life expectancy. The youngest person in this region, that I know of, is either you or Amarican.
Congratulations to TTA for being the sixth most Authoritarian in the region, and to Pevident for being the least authoritarian.
Vote no...
Wrong!
I own the Fifth and Sixth most Authoritarian spots.
Ad-shabi is mine.
Double congratulations!
I'm actually rather happy...and disappointed.
I answered no issues on Ad-Shabi yet my Purposefully Authoritarian nation of the Mediterranean is some how behind them in Authoritarianism.
Thoughts on Zionism... and go
I'm against it.
While I support a state for the Jews in Israel, I do not support the continual violence against Islamic Congregants in the nation. I disagree with their stance towards Palestine and am not fond of the attempts to completely give the area to the Jews when so many Muslims are there putting them in a position against religious freedom. If Israel does exist I'd wish it to be less theocratic in nature and more secular to balance issues between the two.
"If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists." - FA Hayek
Out of curiosity, Ankha, what are your current real life political leanings?
I support Israel defending themselves, but forcing ration laws on Palestine is not ok. We probably should have given them Christian territory instead considering it was supposed to be a safe haven following WWII. And you know with the extremely Catholic German army.... Probably would have been a good tribute.
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Can we put it off until after elections?
Is that necessary? This Board session is literally in the middle of its term. I don't like the idea of it being a lame duck Board so soon before the next term.
The Board isn't what it used to be.
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Don't worry Pev..I'll have some legislation to vote on up soon.
I wonder what that could be.... hmmm
I think they'd only need to vote on ordinance.
Also, nice NSG thread.
Why thank you.
The Article 8 Acts...
First try the Article 8 Repeal
Second Try The Article 8 Amendment.
I am aware. Thus the sarcastic ellipses.
Also a link to said Nice NSG Thread.
Please post there.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=320316
Just thought I should point out: anyone without NS++ can still read the paper here:
https://nationstatesplusplus.net/newspaper?id=582
Not that anyone really uses the paper anymore, but y'know.
I do!
Libertatem news will soon be mine haha..Private market pushing out my competition.
This game is labeling me a Communist. Any advice on how to change that?
> Less Authoritarian than Lack
> More Authoritarian than Pev
I don't know anymore man...
Choose options that require less government intervention and keep taxes low.
Been doing that. In fact, more than half the time, I just dismiss the issues because they're none of the government's business.
You'll get there then. It took me a little while to get where I wanted, anarchy of course. I dismiss most of my issues...lol
Look what I got!
During the middle of the night, someone has mysteriously put a lever in the middle of the city park. On it, it says, "Pull the Lever, And See The World End."
The Debate
"I've always wanted to see the apocalypse." says an elderly man on a park bench. "All that fire and brimstone. To see God's wrath. Something I can tell my grandchildren about later on. I say we should."
This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.
"Not on your life!" says his wife sitting next to him. "If you pull that lever, we'll have no grandchildren, no life, only heaven and hell. Don't you dare pull that lever."
"Now, don't think of it as a do/don't option," says a hot dog vendor. "What if we give tours so that people can see the lever? Not to touch it of course, but to see that humanity can be ruined by such a contraption. We can make a profit."
Hello friends, I am a new citizen of Libertatem. I want to be active in the region, so what can I do?
Well, using the RMB a lot more would definitely help.
We've also got a nice military headed by Pevvania that you could join, some internal affairs shenanigans that are under the control of Muh Roads, you could help Humpheria with the justice department, or once the Board elections get done with next week you could help out my next manager of State with diplomacy.
Or you could do none of that and just hang around on the RMB for a while.
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Ooh. Shiny Egg...
I wrote a telegram to Pevvania, I want to be a part of the military! War on communism!
...Not another...
Also...This Friday I'll be releasing some more news. Deseret News shall be #1 in the News.
Glad to hear it! Also, thanks for joining the RLP!
Hey I'll have you know I run a very fine newspaper.
Darn another RLP
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"Band Aid" 30 - f-cking atrocious. I was literally laughing out loud during some parts of it. Some things are just too embarrassing to cringe at.
U wot?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_Aid_30
[spoiler=North Korea][B]Kim's former bodyguard tells of beatings, starvation in North Korean prison camp[/B]
Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- The physical wounds are clear.
Dozens of purple scars crisscross Lee Young-guk's lower legs. He says many are the result of beatings endured while imprisoned in North Korea's most notorious prison camp.
Removing his dentures, Lee shows just five or six original teeth, wonky and cracked; the only ones has has left after countless punches to the head. Being hit with the butt of a rifle, he says, left him blind in one eye.
Lee was the bodyguard to Kim Jong Il for more than 10 years, before the late North Korean leader assumed power in 1994.
Kim Jong Il's former bodyguard tells all Defector accuses N. Korea of smears CIA director details North Korea mission Locals fear reprisal over propaganda
A once loyal servant of the regime, Lee says he left Kim's employment without issues. He realized he was not a nice man, but only after he traveled out of North Korea, and saw how other parts of the world functioned, did it become clear to him that Kim was a dictator.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/17/world/asia/north-korea-bodyguard-yodok/[/spoiler]
Reactionary propaganda. And if it's true, they deserved it.
DEATH TO COMMUNISM!
The heck?
What's wrong with communism?
Have you become gravely ill?
Must we end you to prevent you from harming yourself or others?
That is a good question, though, one many of us can very well answer.
Nothing is wrong about Communism.
Now Socialism on the other hand.
Hehe...Pev. Join the Dark Side.
Our first NS++ recruitment campaign has started!
Thanks to Funkytopia for authoring the base telegram.
I'll probably use it for Eleutheria...once Condealism gets back on. What happened to him anyway?
Hey that Political Crowd Chart is inactive...
It's like to do something similar to it but focus on different aspects than the Compass and list them in a Factbook to replace it.
The way it would work is something is listed. Lets say for example Tacos vs. Pizza
Fully Pizza / Mixed Leaning Pizza / [Dependent on topic] / Mixed Leaning Taco / Fully Taco
Don't you have a destined to fail constitutional amendment to be working on?
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