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Venomringo wrote:Fantastic! I pledge my vote!

This will have to go in discord, but THE PROTECT ACT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY[/B]

This proves we are a region dedicated to the preservation of freedom inside our borders and outside!

It also means our military will need to step up :P

Rateria, Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:This will have to go in discord, but THE PROTECT ACT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY[/B]

This proves we are a region dedicated to the preservation of freedom inside our borders and outside!

It also means our military will need to step up :P

Technically you'd need to go back and vote all over again on its current form, since it did change since voting began.

Or, you could not, but I think that'd be a good precedent to set. Because, y'know, you could vote for a bill when it's one thing, and then it changes and you don't like it anymore.

Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu, Gaelic Eire Nua

Condealism wrote:[nation=short]The United States of Patriots[/nation]: Despite not having moved here directly from the IRU, I suggest granting citizenship to former IRU citizens [nation=short]Cyborgs and Sentient Machines[/nation] and [nation=short]Linnuis[/nation]. (And before anyone asks, yes, I'm sure.)

Republic of 5thColumndealism. ;)

Condealism

Miencraft wrote:Technically you'd need to go back and vote all over again on its current form, since it did change since voting began.

Or, you could not, but I think that'd be a good precedent to set. Because, y'know, you could vote for a bill when it's one thing, and then it changes and you don't like it anymore.

I really do hate it when you're right...

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:[nation=short]The United States of Patriots[/nation]: Despite not having moved here directly from the IRU, I suggest granting citizenship to former IRU citizens [nation=short]Cyborgs and Sentient Machines[/nation] and [nation=short]Republic of Linnuis[/nation]. (And before anyone asks, yes, I'm sure.)

typo corrected

Hyderbourg wrote:I really do hate it when you're right...

Learn to love it - this distinction might save our butts one day.

Miencraft, Rateria, Hyderbourg, Gaelic Eire Nua

Condealism wrote:Learn to love it - this distinction might save our butts one day.

Here's the problem though- Now I won't be able to get the senate to vote on the FREEDOM Act and then change it to say I'm the king of Libertatem...

Thanks for nothing [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation]...

Rateria, Condealism, Uadilifu

Hyderbourg wrote:I really do hate it when you're right...

I really shouldn't have told you that though, because now I won't be able to send a bill to vote that does some amazing thing, but then change it at the last minute to give me all the power.

Hyderbourg wrote:Here's the problem though- Now I won't be able to get the senate to vote on the FREEDOM Act and then change it to say I'm the king of Libertatem...

Thanks for nothing [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation]...

Oh wait we had the same idea. I saw this post come up while I was typing that.

Rateria, Condealism

Could I have a link to the PROTECT Act seeing how they're will be a vote on it?

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Could I have a link to the PROTECT Act seeing how they're will be a vote on it?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=hyderbourg/detail=factbook/id=823921

Condealism

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:PROTECT Act

What do you think?

Proud to support our military and our international efforts in my first vote in the Senate!

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu

As I've read, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no obligation for Libertatem's Armed Forces to invade or raid a region soley on the basis of a deterrent to an attack towards us, or on the basis of ideology? The only way we would become involved is if we had an ally in "good standing" that was attacked FIRST?

Hyderbourg wrote:What do you think?

It seems fine, so long as there aren't provisions that I looked over and misunderstood.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:As I've read, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no obligation for Libertatem's Armed Forces to invade or raid a region soley on the basis of a deterrent to an attack towards us, or on the basis of ideology? The only way we would become involved is if we had an ally in "good standing" that was attacked FIRST?

Exactly.

Only to protect an ally or liberate them POST invasion.

Rateria, Condealism

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:It seems fine, so long as there aren't provisions that I looked over and misunderstood.

It's great to have everybody on board.

Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:Exactly.

Only to protect an ally or liberate them POST invasion.

And they wouldn't need to ask? We would automatically be obligated to intervene without a confirmation from the previous government?

Also, could you clearly define what a "raid" is, or why we would need to intervene...

If a region democratically elects a communist or a fascist for instance, are we OBLIGATED to intervene? Do coups from natives count? Or is it soley for intervening when a known raider (such as the Black Hawks) invade?

Let us be clear: The PROTECT Act is not, nor should it be taken as, a license to wage war with whomever we wish. Our military is mobilizing for the sake of doing what we should have continued to do since the dissolution of the first republic: keeping our allies safe from hostile occupation or invasion. Over the course of the last year or so, we watched helplessly from the sidelines as we lost numerous allies, wishing that there were something we can do... but our days of helplessness are over. There are things that we can do to protect our friends, and the passage of the PROTECT Act shall see to it that we get started on them.

Rateria, Hyderbourg, Gaelic Eire Nua

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:And they wouldn't need to ask? We would automatically be obligated to intervene without a confirmation from the previous government?

It explicitly states that it would happen at the request of the regional government and then the confirmation by Chancellors, so yes they would ask.

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Also, could you clearly define what a "raid" is, or why we would need to intervene...

If a region democratically elects a communist or a fascist for instance, are we OBLIGATED to intervene? Do coups from natives count? Or is it soley for intervening when a known raider (such as the Black Hawks) invade?

I do not think we would intervene if a communist was elected, in fact, we would probably terminate all relations.

I think it's clear the intent is only if outsiders raid the community through conventional means.

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:Let us be clear: The PROTECT Act is not, nor should it be taken as, a license to wage war with whomever we wish. Our military is mobilizing for the sake of doing what we should have continued to do since the dissolution of the first republic: keeping our allies safe from hostile occupation or invasion. Over the course of the last year or so, we watched helplessly from the sidelines as we lost numerous allies, wishing that there were something we can do... but our days of helplessness are over. There are things that we can do to protect our friends, and the passage of the PROTECT Act shall see to it that we get started on them.

This is an outstanding point by the Vice-President, our enemies are notoriously more militant than our allies.

There needs to be a system to protect them, and as a TOP-100 Region, the burden falls on us.

Rateria, Condealism, Gaelic Eire Nua

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Also, could you clearly define what a "raid" is, or why we would need to intervene...

If a region democratically elects a communist or a fascist for instance, are we OBLIGATED to intervene? Do coups from natives count? Or is it soley for intervening when a known raider (such as the Black Hawks) invade?

That's implied to be up to the discretion of our government, but the way I see it, the answers to your questions are as follows: No (unless they use the power vested in them to stage a coup), yes (provided we recognize the existence of a claimant to a legitimate government), and no (not exclusively).

Hyderbourg wrote:It explicitly states that it would happen at the request of the regional government and then the confirmation by Chancellors, so yes they would ask.

I do not think we would intervene if a communist was elected, in fact, we would probably terminate all relations.

I think it's clear the intent is only if outsiders raid the community through conventional means.

Then you have my support and the Reform Party's support for this bill. I urge all of those who supported me and all affiliates of the Reform Party to support and vote FOR this legislation in order to secure allies and do what is right.

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

Just for clarification, this bill will not be voted upon by the citizens of Liberatem, solely the senate.

At the same time, we care about what the citizens think. At the end of the day we are all your representatives, so we are more than happy to address concerns.

You know what they say, if you don't like a bill, write your senator (;

Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:Just for clarification, this bill will not be voted upon by the citizens of Liberatem, solely the senate.

At the same time, we care about what the citizens think. At the end of the day we are all your representatives, so we are more than happy to address concerns.

You know what they say, if you don't like a bill, write your senator (;

"Out to Lunch" sign is hung on the door to Senator Humpheria'a office by a staffer. Blinds close nearby as a large arrow pointing the the office of Senator Venom is discreetly placed outside.

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order

Humpheria wrote:"Out to Lunch" sign is hung on the door to Senator Humpheria'a office by a staffer. Blinds close nearby as a large arrow pointing the the office of Senator Venom is discreetly placed outside.

*considers making a joke about this*

*decides against it*

I'd be much too frightened to tease a Senator.

Rateria, Hyderbourg

Condealism wrote:*considers making a joke about this*

*decides against it*

I'd be much too frightened to tease a Senator.

Especially one that got more votes than both of us in our most recent presidential bids, yikes!

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:*considers making a joke about this*

*decides against it*

I'd be much too frightened to tease a Senator.

Hyderbourg wrote:Especially one that got more votes than both of us in our most recent presidential bids, yikes!

Check it

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

When was the last Pres election?

Humpheria wrote:When was the last Pres election?

Voting started ~21 days ago, Hyderbourg won ~16 days ago

Communisim wrote:Why no endorsement for the Communist Party? I can do great things. If i can get a dead server filled with 40 players for a whole week, then I can help run a region as a elected official.

Also I like Puppies and baby penguins

I do not mean to make like of the starvation in Venezuela or the constant hunger in rural Cuba -- marine iguanas' only safe haven is Gitmo (US territory); but when Communists take over people starve and millions die (or a significant portion of the population). For those of us who have had family members tortured or murdered by Communists it a constant reminder that it can and does happen here in the New World. Of all of the forms of socialism including Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, Communism is by far the most insidious.

Miencraft, Condealism, Fairbankska, Jadentopian Order, Uadilifu

Fascism is in no way socialist. Mussolini states this in his Social Doctrine. It's corporatist economics and the Nazis weren't socialist as well, they did that to attract leftists and workers. It's pretty known how anti-marxist Hitler and his party were, especially after they murdered Strasser, the only ACTUAL Nazi Socialist.

Inissbeln wrote:Would anybody mind giving me a summary of what happened today in Libertatem? I'm sorry I'm super busy with school but I would like to know about the regional happenings.

Can someone help give Inissbeln an update? I am still tryiing to decipher +200 RMBs myself.

Narland wrote:I do not mean to make like of the starvation in Venezuela or the constant hunger in rural Cuba -- marine iguanas' only safe haven is Gitmo (US territory); but when Communists take over people starve and millions die (or a significant portion of the population). For those of us who have had family members tortured or murdered by Communists it a constant reminder that it can and does happen here in the New World. Of all of the forms of socialism including Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, Communism is by far the most insidious.

Well umm... well you see...

Alright well you see with Ideologies such as Facisim and Nazisim they are fish straight out of the gate. However with Communism the ideas on paper sound swell. They are mostly impossible mostly causing dictatorships. However it is also the teaching of Marx that created the Socialism seen in other countries like Canada. Was the Soviet Union a workers paradise? No it was a dictatorship. Is China a perfect communist state. No it's almost as capitalistic as the rest of the world, probable more, and more oppressive.

The great thing about NationStates is you build the nation you want. You can create your Workers Paraidse. Your dreams of a altruistic free nation is possible.

And thats all I have to type.

Condealism wrote:Let us be clear: The PROTECT Act is not, nor should it be taken as, a license to wage war with whomever we wish. Our military is mobilizing for the sake of doing what we should have continued to do since the dissolution of the first republic: keeping our allies safe from hostile occupation or invasion. Over the course of the last year or so, we watched helplessly from the sidelines as we lost numerous allies, wishing that there were something we can do... but our days of helplessness are over. There are things that we can do to protect our friends, and the passage of the PROTECT Act shall see to it that we get started on them.

Meh. Rev up those helicopters.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Uadilifu

Anyone watches Red Vs. Blue

Condealism wrote:*considers making a joke about this*

*decides against it*

I'd be much too frightened to tease a Senator.

Do it. I know how to deal with these po-lit-ikle types.

Communisim wrote:Anyone watches Red Vs. Blue

Only on my gas powered internet enabled blow-dryer

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:Fascism is in no way socialist. Mussolini states this in his Social Doctrine. It's corporatist economics and the Nazis weren't socialist as well, they did that to attract leftists and workers. It's pretty known how anti-marxist Hitler and his party were, especially after they murdered Strasser, the only ACTUAL Nazi Socialist.

I am not going to argue what color a blackbird is or is not. All socialists systems share several things in common (other than being failures wherever they are fully implemented)-- they rob people of their livelihood and property if not their very lives by assuming that no individual has claim upon their own capital. They use different means to do so, but they all derived their ideas directly or indirectly from the 1st Internationale and the economic theories therof. Nazis were national socialists, Communists are International Socialists, Italian Fascists were Corporato-syndicalist Socialists. The Anglo-American form of Socialism, Fabianism (Leftist / Progressivism) is alive and well in our universities and public educational system.

It is like a Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Anglican, and Primitive Baptist in the same room arguing that the others aren't really Christians. Yes, in the broader sense they all share a common Christian heritage. Likewise, Marxists-Leninists, Trotskyites, Communists all, Nazis, Fascists, Progressives, all share a common heritage and core principles indicative from whence they came.

Pevvania, Rateria, Fairbankska, Uadilifu, Pulceria

Narland wrote:I am not going to argue what color a blackbird is or is not. All socialists systems share several things in common (other than being failures wherever they are fully implemented)-- they rob people of their livelihood and property if not their very lives by assuming that no individual has claim upon their own capital. They use different means to do so, but they all derived their ideas directly or indirectly from the 1st Internationale and the economic theories therof. Nazis were national socialists, Communists are International Socialists, Italian Fascists were Corporato-syndicalist Socialists. The Anglo-American form of Socialism, Fabianism (Leftist / Progressivism) is alive and well in our universities and public educational system.

It is like a Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Anglican, and Primitive Baptist in the same room arguing that the others aren't really Christians. Yes, in the broader sense they all share a common Christian heritage. Likewise, Marxists-Leninists, Trotskyites, Communists all, Nazis, Fascists, Progressives, all share a common heritage and core principles indicative from whence they came.

I wouldn't group Progressives with communists and nazis

A good synopsis on fascism, particularly fascist economics, is the Vampire Economy by Guenter Reimann. Very good.

Gaelic Eire Nua

Narland wrote:I am not going to argue what color a blackbird is or is not. All socialists systems share several things in common (other than being failures wherever they are fully implemented)-- they rob people of their livelihood and property if not their very lives by assuming that no individual has claim upon their own capital. They use different means to do so, but they all derived their ideas directly or indirectly from the 1st Internationale and the economic theories therof. Nazis were national socialists, Communists are International Socialists, Italian Fascists were Corporato-syndicalist Socialists. The Anglo-American form of Socialism, Fabianism (Leftist / Progressivism) is alive and well in our universities and public educational system.

It is like a Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Anglican, and Primitive Baptist in the same room arguing that the others aren't really Christians. Yes, in the broader sense they all share a common Christian heritage. Likewise, Marxists-Leninists, Trotskyites, Communists all, Nazis, Fascists, Progressives, all share a common heritage and core principles indicative from whence they came.

Well said

Communisim wrote:Well umm... well you see...

Alright well you see with Ideologies such as Facisim and Nazisim they are fish straight out of the gate. However with Communism the ideas on paper sound swell. They are mostly impossible mostly causing dictatorships. However it is also the teaching of Marx that created the Socialism seen in other countries like Canada. Was the Soviet Union a workers paradise? No it was a dictatorship. Is China a perfect communist state. No it's almost as capitalistic as the rest of the world, probable more, and more oppressive.

The great thing about NationStates is you build the nation you want. You can create your Workers Paraidse. Your dreams of a altruistic free nation is possible.

And thats all I have to type.

:) Somehow I do not think you are as red as your flag suggests...

I would like to send you a copy of The God that Failed by Arthur Koestler. To me a workers paradise is a free market capitalist country where commodities are plentiful and inexpensive, and one can work or not work when one sees fit, and there is plenty of leisure time to improve one's condition. All the worker's paradises from Communists have long queues for either toilet paper or chicken (they all need both), the state tells me when, where and what my occupation is (and that I will enjoy it for the good of the party or else), and my leisure time is spent making sure I do not offend the party.

To the degree that socialism is administered by the state is inversely proportional to the freedom and prosperity (and therefore the happiness) of its people. Classical Liberalism is counter-communist at almost every level except familial and communal --where some socialist principles (that do not violate natural l law) belong -- church in particular and local community in general. With most flavors of socialism the family and church must be removed so the state can replace their legitimate functions. Families and shared community religious expression are natural and integral to the human condition. This is one of the reasons that Communism especially was and is an abject failure. Besides treating any contemplation of an objective reality outside of the state narrative as treason, it considers theism a dire mental illnesses and natural families a mere a social construct to be rearranged at will by the state.

Rateria, Condealism, Fairbankska

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I wouldn't group Progressives with communists and nazis

Why not?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:A good synopsis on fascism, particularly fascist economics, is the Vampire Economy by Guenter Reimann. Very good.
I will put it on my book list. One of the problems of pegging Fascism down is that it was continously modified on the fly, its extent was relatively limited, and it was overshadowed by Nazism. Modern Fascism by Veith is a light read and short synopsis.

***it is late in Narland's part of the world*** I am enjoying the convo Gaelic, Minerva, and Communism. Thank you. Its great to be able to discuss things--I am couped up and haven't over to the been to the university in a while. I miss the round table discussions there. Goodnight all.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Gaelic Eire Nua

Because comparing progressives to people who support racism and authoritarian dictative states is absurd.

What do you guys think of term limits? Are there any good arguments for or against?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What do you guys think of term limits? Are there any good arguments for or against?

I'm absolutely in favor of them. It would limit corruption. Politicians would be concerned about their jobs, not just getting reelected

Fairbankska

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:I'm absolutely in favor of them. It would limit corruption. Politicians would be concerned about their jobs, not just getting reelected

Yes, but do you think it would foster inexperienced politicians though?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What do you guys think of term limits? Are there any good arguments for or against?

Strongly for. The only argument I've heard against that seems halfway sane is "it'd empower special interests, because then congresscritters can't build up networks and experience of their own and are required to trust think tank flunkeys' judgement."

I think that's more than balanced out by the constant refrain of "I'd love to vote on your side on this, but I'm up for re-election" that every retired politician seems to have stories of.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Decided to go back to something more traditional for a flag

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Gaelic Eire Nua

Something tells me Freud was into milfs.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Nay Hofn

The States Of Balloon wrote:Something tells me Freud was into milfs.

Lol ;p

Rateria, Condealism

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What do you guys think of term limits? Are there any good arguments for or against?

On the one hand, it would be more democratic to allow the people to elect whomever they wish without any such limitations.

On the other, it would be more democratic to allow the people to elect whomever they wish without any such limitations.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

https://itif.org/publications/2017/05/08/false-alarmism-technological-disruption-and-us-labor-market-1850-2015

This article debunks all "robots will take over the world hurr durr" idiocy I have encountered.

Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Nay Hofn

Republic Of Minerva wrote:https://itif.org/publications/2017/05/08/false-alarmism-technological-disruption-and-us-labor-market-1850-2015

This article debunks all "robots will take over the world hurr durr" idiocy I have encountered.

So does this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ao2KBU5JI

Nay Hofn

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What do you guys think of term limits? Are there any good arguments for or against?

Support, but term limits don't work so well in the California legislature.

Muh Roads wrote:Meh. Rev up those helicopters.

Rising Storm 3: Libertatem

Muh Roads, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

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Venomringo wrote:EPIC Act[/B]

I’m sure my man Condy will hook me up with a good name!

Section I

Subsection I

Upon passage of this bill, the Senate will establish the Epic Department.

Subsection II

The Epic Department will serve to boost activity in the region by hosting weekly debates, posting memes, and serve as an independent organization that will evaluate voter desires.

Subsection III

The Epic Department will be made up of volunteers that wish to serve Libertatem in a productive way that is not too serious.

Subsection IV

Upon passage of this bill, the World Factbook Entry will be altered to contain a dispatch that holds the members of the Epic Department and the purpose* of this department.

Section II

Subsection I

Upon passage of this bill the Epic Department will be immediately created in due time.

*See Section I, Subsection II

I'll just put this bill on queue while we wait for PROTECT to pass!

First of all, congratulations to Humpheria and Venom. I look forward to working with you in the Senate.

Secondly, I want to state my opposition to the EPIC Act. The RLP is opposed to any unnecessary or frivolous expansion of government, which is what this act appears to be proposing. We can and do encourage participation and debate as regular citizens.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

PROTECT has been passed.

Also, I would greatly recommend that people join the Discord; you can find records of senate votes in there, as well as a bunch of other neat stuff.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Yes, but do you think it would foster inexperienced politicians though?

No. I think the people will make the right choice and will usually go for more experienced politicians...

Regardless who they elect, that's democracy.

Inissbeln

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What do you guys think of term limits? Are there any good arguments for or against?

In the real world, at least in the United States, we definitely need more.

It's high time we put a term limit on Congress - maybe even limit the Supreme Court to a decade or so while we're at it.

It'd really help get rid of the "I've made all these promises but I'm not going to keep any of them because if I don't keep my promises I get to make the same promises two years from now and get re-elected by saying I'll do the stuff I didn't do".

Condealism

Gaelic Eire Nua wrote:and will usually go for more experienced politicians.

This statement makes no sense as you are arguing the removal of experienced politicians.

The question of controversy isn't, "wouldn't it be ideal to have free healthcare?"

The answer to that is an obvious yes.

The question of controversy is, "who shall pay for the free healthcare?"

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Nay Hofn

Hyderbourg wrote:The question of controversy isn't, "wouldn't it be ideal to have free healthcare?"

The answer to that is an obvious yes.

The question of controversy is, "who shall pay for the free healthcare?"

"B-But if you don't want to give up your entire income to pay for someone else's healthcare, you hate poor people!"

Miencraft, Narland, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Nay Hofn, Inissbeln

Rateria wrote:"B-But if you don't want to give up your entire income to pay for someone else's healthcare, you hate poor people!"

tfw you don't want government doing something so obviously you don't want it done at all

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Inissbeln

Hyderbourg wrote:The question of controversy isn't, "wouldn't it be ideal to have free healthcare?"

The answer to that is an obvious yes.

The question of controversy is, "who shall pay for the free healthcare?"

Ironically enough, most liberals would say "not me". Last year, Colorado voted overwhelmingly - 78% - against having a universal system because of the enormous cost it would bring to taxpayers. In Vermont, perhaps one of the most liberal states in the country, the state government that was elected to implement a government system had to cancel it, since it would have meant a colossal payroll tax increase and almost double the state's budget.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Fairbankska, Nay Hofn, Pulceria

Regarding the Senate, there is the small matter of electing a Speaker. I hereby put myself forth for this position. I suggest that the entire Senate should be online at the same time to discuss, debate and vote on this matter, along with the misnomered 'EPIC' bill.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:First of all, congratulations to Humpheria and Venom. I look forward to working with you in the Senate.

Secondly, I want to state my opposition to the EPIC Act. The RLP is opposed to any unnecessary or frivolous expansion of government, which is what this act appears to be proposing. We can and do encourage participation and debate as regular citizens.

Well, I don't see this as an expansion of government, but rather a private organization that citizens can join voluntarily, not through election, so I believe that a simple rewording could your complaints. I think that this bill and what it proposes is needed for a diverse region such as Libertatem because it alloes citizens to take a more active, direct role in our society that isn't as serious as a government job. This private organization will be a foundation for regional activity...

Narland

Venomringo wrote:Well, I don't see this as an expansion of government, but rather a private organization that citizens can join voluntarily, not through election, so I believe that a simple rewording could your complaints. I think that this bill and what it proposes is needed for a diverse region such as Libertatem because it alloes citizens to take a more active, direct role in our society that isn't as serious as a government job. This private organization will be a foundation for regional activity...

If it's private, then why do you need to use government legislation to create it?

Miencraft, Pevvania, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Venomringo wrote:Well, I don't see this as an expansion of government, but rather a private organization that citizens can join voluntarily, not through election, so I believe that a simple rewording could your complaints. I think that this bill and what it proposes is needed for a diverse region such as Libertatem because it alloes citizens to take a more active, direct role in our society that isn't as serious as a government job. This private organization will be a foundation for regional activity...

Rewording would be good. Allowing and encouraging volunteerism and input is what civic virtue in self-governmnent is about. Real town hall meetings so-to-speak (wordplay intentional).

Miencraft, Rateria

Venomringo wrote:a private organization that citizens can join voluntarily

You don't need a law for that.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Nay Hofn

Venomringo wrote:Well, I don't see this as an expansion of government, but rather a private organization that citizens can join voluntarily, not through election, so I believe that a simple rewording could your complaints. I think that this bill and what it proposes is needed for a diverse region such as Libertatem because it alloes citizens to take a more active, direct role in our society that isn't as serious as a government job. This private organization will be a foundation for regional activity...

Well, as Rateria said, if it's established by government then I don't see how it would be a private organisation. If it were private, all you'd need to do was say "I hereby establish the Epic Corporation" and it'd be done. With all due respect Senator, it just seems so frivolous and unneeded at a time when our activity and population are burgeoning rapidly anyway. I think that we shouldn't be in the business of passing bills just to pass bills, especially when there are several issues to contend with as is, such as people having multiple citizenships.

Rateria, Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:This statement makes no sense as you are arguing the removal of experienced politicians.

If you read, that was not my original argument ;)

I was responding to the fact that it may put in inexperienced politicians, to which I said I have faith in the American people, and that no matter what, it's democracy. Who they elect is who they elect.

Hey. What do you guys think about Militia vs. Trained Military.

Just read a book about it and it seems really interesting.

Here are some examples of both of these.

Trained Military

US Military.

UK.

N. korea.

(Most superpowers)

Militia

Minute men.

Guerrilla fighters.

Switzerland (my favorite).

Pulceria :)

Sincerely Pulceria.

Gaelic Eire Nua

Pulceria wrote:Minute men.

While we're mentioning minutemen, that's gotta be one of the biggest things I think people don't understand about the second amendment.

The militia is the people, and our army (at least at the moment) is 100% volunteer, so why limit the capacity of the people to have weapons when they're going to be the military?

Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria, Gaelic Eire Nua

Pulceria wrote:Pulceria :)

Sincerely Pulceria.

Pulceria ?

Pulceria

Nay Hofn wrote:Pulceria ?

Pulceria.

Miencraft wrote:While we're mentioning minutemen, that's gotta be one of the biggest things I think people don't understand about the second amendment.

The militia is the people, and our army (at least at the moment) is 100% volunteer, so why limit the capacity of the people to have weapons when they're going to be the military?

Well said.

Nay Hofn wrote:Pulceria ?

That's just me. I know on Nation Sates you cant really decide stuff like that. But if I had a perfect nation its military would be militia based.

Nay Hofn

Venomringo wrote:I'll just put this bill on queue while we wait for PROTECT to pass!

Our region's government has better to do. This is a job for the private sector.

Miencraft, Rateria, Pulceria

Condealism wrote:Our region's government has better to do. This is a job for the private sector.

I agree mixing public and private never works well.

sincerely Pulceria

Condealism, Nay Hofn, Gaelic Eire Nua

Pulceria wrote:Minute men.

ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP

Miencraft, Narland, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Nay Hofn, Jadentopian Order, Pulceria

Pevvania wrote:ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP

????

:)

not very Sincerely Pulceria

Pevvania

Pulceria wrote:Hey. What do you guys think about Militia vs. Trained Military.

Just read a book about it and it seems really interesting.

Here are some examples of both of these.

Trained Military

US Military.

UK.

N. korea.

(Most superpowers)

Militia

Minute men.

Guerrilla fighters.

Switzerland (my favorite).

Pulceria :)

Sincerely Pulceria.

I think that there are situatuons where I would prefer Militia, and situations where I would prefer a trained military. Militias don't have the training or equipment, but they do know their land and how to deal with it better than anyone else, ex. Vietnam. In full scale warfare, however, training matters more and can make the difference in battle. Ex. UK and Germany in WW1

Jadentopian Order wrote: however, training matters more and can make the difference in battle. Ex. UK and Germany in WW1

I agree. training helps a lot when invading. militias are more of a defense.

but surprisingly if you are just defending. I have found that often people will claim that militia's or guerrillas are anywhere from six to one hundred times more effective at protecting a country.

One anti guerrilla warfare expert Richard J Mayburry called them the "invincible secret weapon" he is one of the people that said they were six time better then regular troops. And he worked for the US military.

Pulceria wrote:????

:)

not very Sincerely Pulceria

It's from Fallout 4 bro

Condealism, Nay Hofn

Pevvania wrote:ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP

STOP MAKING SETTLEMENTS YOU CAN'T PROTECT DAMMIT

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Nay Hofn

Pevvania wrote:It's from Fallout 4 bro

I've never played before.

So your comment just confused me. :)

Condealism wrote:Our region's government has better to do. This is a job for the private sector.

Yes, it's just that having this "department" would require recognition on the WFE, which gives me an idea that is much bigger...Since my bill was intended to be a private organization then we should have a system in place to make it easier to set up a business/organization that the government can hire as a third party to moderate debates or even just exist to serve as activity boosters in the region - government's only role is to assist in the WFE

Rateria, Condealism, Pulceria

use* not hire

Rateria

Venomringo wrote:Yes, it's just that having this "department" would require recognition on the WFE

You still don't need a law for that. Just go "Hey can we put this up somewhere public".

Our old map, for example, wasn't technically official, but there was a link in the WFE for it anyways.

Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism

Miencraft wrote:You still don't need a law for that. Just go "Hey can we put this up somewhere public".

Our old map, for example, wasn't technically official, but there was a link in the WFE for it anyways.

Yeah, I was about to suggest legislation that would allow for the promotion (and curation) of private organizations by the regional government... and then I remembered that we already do that.

Miencraft

Venomringo wrote:Yes, it's just that having this "department" would require recognition on the WFE, which gives me an idea that is much bigger...Since my bill was intended to be a private organization then we should have a system in place to make it easier to set up a business/organization that the government can hire as a third party to moderate debates or even just exist to serve as activity boosters in the region - government's only role is to assist in the WFE

We can put anything in the WFE (unless it's porn or something). Just ask.

Rateria, Condealism

Oh by the way can someone give me the password to the laws and info nation?

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Pevvania wrote:Oh by the way can someone give me the password to the laws and info nation?

Check your discord.

Pevvania, Rateria

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