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Pax Osca wrote:

It's not theft if you've agreed to it - which you did when you voted in that government

Except if you vote against it, in which case it's theft and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

So what has been going on? It seems like a lot since I was last online.

Northern Prussia wrote:I will run for seat 1. Campaigning to expand the war on communism.

You have to apply for citizenship first..

What written law did TTA break, anyways?

I have been here before for almost a month just as Rotgeheim. Last I heard I did not need to apply , but reside for a period of tims which I have met.

He attacked Libertatens and leaked information. It was in direct violation with general decorum of military and certain sections of ARMA.

Northern Prussia wrote:I have been here before for almost a month just as Rotgeheim. Last I heard I did not need to apply , but reside for a period of tims which I have met.

You are eligible but you still have to apply, it doesn't happen naturally.

Northern Prussia wrote:I have been here before for almost a month just as Rotgeheim. Last I heard I did not need to apply , but reside for a period of tims which I have met.

The "Citizenship" link on the WFE clearly states that an application must be filled out.

How does one get this citizenship application

Miencraft wrote:Except if you vote against it, in which case it's theft and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

In which case, tough, it's a democracy. Unless you can devise a better form of running a country and persuade enough people to join you to create a new nation then suck it up and accept that most people don't agree with you.

NB: That's not to say that the current choice between right-wing or slightly-more-right-wing-and-christian party in America isn't despicable, but that's an issue of too many blind voters always voting the same way no matter what, plus no good alternatives. Also, rich people funding big parties with big budgets to get their messages out :P

Last time I was here tjats what went on my appolagies ill take care of that now

Copy-paste it with the proper information to Muh Roads. The application template is in the "Citizenship" link of the WFE.

Pax Osca wrote:In which case, tough, it's a democracy. Unless you can devise a better form of running a country and persuade enough people to join you to create a new nation then suck it up and accept that most people don't agree with you.

NB: That's not to say that the current choice between right-wing or slightly-more-right-wing-and-christian party in America isn't despicable, but that's an issue of too many blind voters always voting the same way no matter what, plus no good alternatives. Also, rich people funding big parties with big budgets to get their messages out :P

Are you talking about the US?

Humpheria wrote:Copy-paste it with the proper information to Muh Roads. The application template is in the "Citizenship" link of the WFE.

Thank you

Hallo, I've sent you more flags via TG as you've requested. Just posting here to confirm you've got them.

I did. I am just a little busy.

Humpheria wrote:He attacked Libertatens and leaked information. It was in direct violation with general decorum of military and certain sections of ARMA.

There are no sections in ARMA that define his actions as illegal, to my knowledge. Same with the constitution.

Any Act of Treason is Illegal its common sense.

Hallo Island wrote:There are no sections in ARMA that define his actions as illegal, to my knowledge. Same with the constitution.

It's done, there is nothing to be said about the TTA fiasco that has not already been said

Hallo Island wrote:There are no sections in ARMA that define his actions as illegal, to my knowledge. Same with the constitution.

Mainly it is just, like I said, general military decorum. And ARMA Section I Subsection III (I believe) says that the law's purpose is to "better prepared against coercion, spying, and extortion". While it does not layout any solid plan to prevent this, it is in the law, so we can assume that it is frowned upon.

Humpheria wrote:Are you talking about the US?

In this case I was, yes

Lack There Of wrote:It's done, there is nothing to be said about the TTA fiasco that has not already been said

It was an act of treason, yes, but a justifiable one. He was trying to defend an innocent region from a senseless, ignorant act of imperialism, and frankly, I would have done the same thing. The raid was bullsh!t, plain and simple.

Pax Osca wrote:In this case I was, yes

I didn't vote for s***. This is a Republic, I don't have the ability to vote on welfare, or did you not notice that we don't get to do that.

Hallo Island wrote:It was an act of treason, yes, but a justifiable one. He was trying to defend an innocent region from a senseless, ignorant act of imperialism, and frankly, I would have done the same thing. The raid was bullsh!t, plain and simple.

IT WASN"T A RAID! Libertatem did not sanction it. A few of our residents were there, but we didn't sanction it. An official of this government shall not let his own opinions of our laws get in the way of his regional loyalties. He didn't like the war, so he attacked Citizens of our region.

Now, TTA is long ogne, the debate is over. His purpose in life was to divide this region, and he continues to succeed after he is gone. Stop talking about it.

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Pax Osca wrote:

It's not theft if you've agreed to it - which you did when you voted in that government, implicitly. That's how democracy works.

poor misguided soul, so young and nieve. A modern tragedy really

I kid, I kid

But not really

what if we're all tta puppets

Hallo Island wrote:What written law did TTA break, anyways?

That's an easy one. He attacked Libertatem's military. It doesn't matter why, but that is what happened. The law is impartial.

Lack There Of wrote:what if we're all tta puppets

*Inception theme plays*

Humpheria wrote:IT WASN"T A RAID! Libertatem did not sanction it. A few of our residents were there, but we didn't sanction it. An official of this government shall not let his own opinions of our laws get in the way of his regional loyalties. He didn't like the war, so he attacked Citizens of our region.

Now, TTA is long ogne, the debate is over. His purpose in life was to divide this region, and he continues to succeed after he is gone. Stop talking about it.

If Libertatem didn't sanction it, why did you charge him with fighting against Libertatem? I know him better than any of you, and I know that he loved this place and only wanted the best for it.

Hallo Island wrote:If Libertatem didn't sanction it, why did you charge him with fighting against Libertatem? I know him better than any of you, and I know that he loved this place and only wanted the best for it.

Probably because the people involved were citizens of Libertatem.

Miencraft wrote:Probably because the people involved were citizens of Libertatem.

But it wasn't a Libertatem raid.

Hallo Island wrote:But it wasn't a Libertatem raid.

If some American tourists go to some country and are killed by that country's military for any reason, they killed Americans and by extension demonstrated aggression to America as a whole.

Miencraft wrote:If some American tourists go to some country and are killed by that country's military for any reason, they killed Americans and by extension demonstrated aggression to America as a whole.

He didn't kill Libertatemites. He tried to protect an innocent region.

Hallo please stop. The law was enforced, so follow suit and argue with evidence in a future time. Right now focus on your campaign.

Northern Prussia wrote:Hallo please stop. The law was enforced, so follow suit and argue with evidence in a future time. Right now focus on your campaign.

If I don't fight for what I believe now, how do you know that I will in office?

Hallo Island wrote:If I don't fight for what I believe now, how do you know that I will in office?

Honestly, at this point what you believe on this matter is of no consequence; it's done, it won't be overturned, so just move on.

Hallo Island wrote:He didn't kill Libertatemites. He tried to protect an innocent region.

Also, you missed the metaphor.

Miencraft wrote:Honestly, at this point what you believe on this matter is of no consequence; it's done, it won't be overturned, so just move on.

If nobody believed that DERP was wrong, it would have continued to oppress people of Libertatem.

Hallo Island wrote:If Libertatem didn't sanction it, why did you charge him with fighting against Libertatem? I know him better than any of you, and I know that he loved this place and only wanted the best for it.

He did not attack the region's government, he attacked the region's people. That alone should be enough. I can tell you that regardless of any lies he told you, he did not love this place. I don't know if he mentioned it to you, or you just don't care, but he was only here to serve out his three month ban from CFN. He planned on leaving as soon as his ban was up. He didn't give a flying frickadoodle about this region. And the fact that he tricked you into thinking that makes me think that you are just as gullible as you sound.

Now, it is over. If you claim that defending a convicted traitor who has displayed multiple times that he wishes only harm to the region, helps your campaign, you are sadly mistaken. This is the second time in the last three hours you have tried to defend or assist people who have broken regional laws, laws that you want to be elected to defend.

Hallo Island wrote:If nobody believed that DERP was wrong, it would have continued to oppress people of Libertatem.

DERP was passed before half of us existed. That was a different time and a different place. Regardless, all it did was dissolve a political party that was dedicated to standing against everything this region stands for.

Hallo Island wrote:If nobody believed that DERP was wrong, it would have continued to oppress people of Libertatem.

DERP was contrary to our principles anyways. That's why it was overturned.

ARMA is a relatively recent law that serves to uphold our principles. You'd have better luck challenging ARMA as a whole than trying to dispute this one event, the one real time ARMA was invoked. Just drop it, please. It'll be better for everyone. You're free to try to overturn ARMA, and, by extension, TTA's ban, but if you're not going to go there (and if you do go there, it'll be nearly impossible to get anything done) then please, just drop it and move on.

Whatever. Continue to oppress an innocent man.

Hallo Island wrote:If I don't fight for what I believe now, how do you know that I will in office?

You should have argued for that a long time ago. It's already been decided.

Hallo Island wrote:If nobody believed that DERP was wrong, it would have continued to oppress people of Libertatem.

I was all for repealing it, but I wrote the act in the first place to ensure the fascists wouldn't oppress the people of this great region. Now they aren't a danger, and it's clear that the law has no purpose, and is now contrary to our principles. So we got rid of it. Yay.

Hallo Island wrote:Whatever. Continue to oppress an innocent man.

Innocent men do not violate laws.

However, I'd like to just drop this here, so rather than continuing, I'd like to start up a random discussion, if anyone's up for one.

Anyone ever play Starbound? It's pretty neat.

Hallo Island wrote:Whatever. Continue to oppress an innocent man.

Whether he was innocent then (which I doubt) is not important. But he sure as hell isn't innocent now; he's attempted to sow discord on multiple occasions since that incident, and may even be doing so now. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he got you to do it.

"Innocent Man"

One that renounced Libertatem citizenship.

One that was here because his real home got mad at him.

One that has insulted all of us.

One that attacked the citizens you wish to serve.

One that fought the war you wish to win.

One that hated the laws you wish to uphold.

"Innocent Man"

Miencraft wrote:Anyone ever play Starbound? It's pretty neat.

Never heard of it. Let's continue to see the political joke tell the one about the leftist turncoat; that one's always a laugh.

Humpheria wrote:"Innocent Man"

One that renounced Libertatem citizenship.

One that was here because his real home got mad at him.

One that has insulted all of us.

One that attacked the citizens you wish to serve.

One that fought the war you wish to win.

One that hated the laws you wish to uphold.

"Innocent Man"

That's actually a bit of a poem.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Whether he was innocent then (which I doubt) is not important. But he sure as hell isn't innocent now; he's attempted to sow discord on multiple occasions since that incident, and may even be doing so now. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he got you to do it.

I do know better and believe it now. I would not be surprised if Hallo does this at TTA's request. Not saying it happens, saying I wouldn't be surprised.

Humpheria wrote:"Innocent Man"

One that renounced Libertatem citizenship.

One that was here because his real home got mad at him.

One that has insulted all of us.

One that attacked the citizens you wish to serve.

One that fought the war you wish to win.

One that hated the laws you wish to uphold.

"Innocent Man"

Truthful and great poetry *faints*

Lack There Of wrote:poor misguided soul, so young and nieve. A modern tragedy really

I kid, I kid

But not really

Is anything I said wrong or untrue?

I never said democracy was fair.

Humpheria wrote:I didn't vote for s***. This is a Republic, I don't have the ability to vote on welfare, or did you not notice that we don't get to do that.

You get to vote for representatives. If they don't represent your views then get yourself one that does.

It's a sh*tty system, given, but unless you want a dictator there are few fairer ones.

My rep does vote how I want, but it doesn't mean a thing. We don't have a voice. Backrooms in Washington have a voice. And they don't like that idea.

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Humpheria wrote:"Innocent Man"

One that renounced Libertatem citizenship.

One that was here because his real home got mad at him.

One that has insulted all of us.

One that attacked the citizens you wish to serve.

One that fought the war you wish to win.

One that hated the laws you wish to uphold.

"Innocent Man"

He insulted you because you insulted him. He attacked the citizens that I wish to serve, because they were attacking innocent people. He fought the war, because the way it was being fought at the time was tyrannical and oppressive. He only hated the laws that oppressed him.

Humpheria wrote:My rep does vote how I want, but it doesn't mean a thing. We don't have a voice. Backrooms in Washington have a voice. And they don't like that idea.

Again, isn't this a problem of corruption of the system rather than the system itself?

Corporatism and money in politics ruins a lot of the ideals of the system...

Pax Osca wrote:

It's a sh*tty system, given, but unless you want a dictator there are few fairer ones.

Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it...

We let the market handle everything!!

Its perfect

Hallo Island wrote:He insulted you because you insulted him. He attacked the citizens that I wish to serve, because they were attacking innocent people. He fought the war, because the way it was being fought at the time was tyrannical and oppressive. He only hated the laws that oppressed him.

I insulted him, he insulted the region.

He attacked citizens because they were doing what they wanted to do. He wanted to attack citizens, he faced the consequences. And they weren't innocent people. They had attacked us before. He fought with our enemy.

No, he fought the war because he was a communist and he hated that us darn libertarians were fighting it.

That law didn't oppress anyone, it was irrelevant, he was a communist, he didn't mind oppression.

Humpheria wrote:I insulted him, he insulted the region.

He attacked citizens because they were doing what they wanted to do. He wanted to attack citizens, he faced the consequences. And they weren't innocent people. They had attacked us before. He fought with our enemy.

No, he fought the war because he was a communist and he hated that us darn libertarians were fighting it.

That law didn't oppress anyone, it was irrelevant, he was a communist, he didn't mind oppression.

Im a communist and I mind oppression.

Humpheria wrote:I insulted him, he insulted the region.

He attacked citizens because they were doing what they wanted to do. He wanted to attack citizens, he faced the consequences. And they weren't innocent people. They had attacked us before. He fought with our enemy.

No, he fought the war because he was a communist and he hated that us darn libertarians were fighting it.

That law didn't oppress anyone, it was irrelevant, he was a communist, he didn't mind oppression.

Can we just be done.

Lack There Of wrote:Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it...

We let the market handle everything!!

Its perfect

Because the market CARES about people :3

Like people with cancer. The market really cares about people with cancer. Especially the ones that are going to die soon and cease to be good sources of income for somebody else.

Hey, at least the market can rip off all their relatives that are desperately working to keep them alive! Oh what's that? The market made them homeless for trying to save their family? Oh well! Market knows best.

Bloodiandiplomat wrote:Im a communist and I mind oppression.

He didn't.

Lack There Of wrote:Can we just be done.

I would be if he wouldn't continue to post after I have said the exact same thing three times.

Humpheria wrote:

I would be if he wouldn't continue to post after I have said the exact same thing three times.

*disrupts Muh's Hump day to hug Humpy*

Pax Osca wrote:Because the market CARES about people :3

Like people with cancer. The market really cares about people with cancer. Especially the ones that are going to die soon and cease to be good sources of income for somebody else.

Hey, at least the market can rip off all their relatives that are desperately working to keep them alive! Oh what's that? The market made them homeless for trying to save their family? Oh well! Market knows best.

Oh wait whats that, cancer drugs are a result of profit driven pharma companies and wouldn't even exist without them. Woah that be cra, yo.

I'm trying to work on my youth dialect)

Lack There Of wrote:Oh wait whats that, cancer drugs are a result of profit driven pharma companies and wouldn't even exist without them. Woah that be cra, yo.

I'm trying to work on my youth dialect)

Indeed. Might want to try it with somebody who speaks it.

Pharma companies can continue to make their profits, payed for collectively via taxation and the creation of a national health service instead of having individuals and their families' lives ruined on a case-by-case basis.

Miencraft wrote:*disrupts Muh's Hump day to hug Humpy*

We... we can share.

Pax Osca wrote:Indeed. Might want to try it with somebody who speaks it.

Pharma companies can continue to make their profits, payed for collectively via taxation

I think the word you're looking for is corporatism, or fascism to the layman. Its a rather dangerous precedent to choose which companies make a "profit" and which don't. Furthermore that further degrades the profit incentive which has given us the benefits of modern civilization. Central planning does not allow for innovation by nature.

Muh Roads wrote:We... we can share.

*hugs Muh*

*presses Muh and Humpy together*

I care about this said "communist" because I care about every person who ever has or ever will live in Libertatem. I want them all to be as free as I. And if one damned citizen of Libertatem is being oppressed by the government, than I shall disregard all of your opinions and all of your damned laws until every single atom is free.

Hallo Island wrote:I care about this said "communist" because I care about every person who ever has or ever will live in Libertatem. I want them all to be as free as I. And if one damned citizen of Libertatem is being oppressed by the government, than I shall disregard all of your opinions and all of your damned laws until every single atom is free.

Now that is FREEDOM!

Hallo Island wrote:I care about this said "communist" because I care about every person who ever has or ever will live in Libertatem. I want them all to be as free as I. And if one damned citizen of Libertatem is being oppressed by the government, than I shall disregard all of your opinions and all of your damned laws until every single atom is free.

Compare and contrast Hallo Island and a wheel.

Both are great at spin.

Only one is running for president.

Post self-deleted by Ipian.

Well, this Friday the 4th Brigade Combat Team "Currahee" of the 101st Airborne Division (AASLT) will be de-activating. It's a sad day in America.

Ipian wrote:Now that is FREEDOM!

no, thats more like the degradation of rule of law

Lack There Of wrote:no, thats more like the degradation of rule of law

No law = freedom.

Rotgeheim wrote:Well, this Friday the 4th Brigade Combat Team "Currahee" of the 101st Airborne Division (AASLT) will be de-activating. It's a sad day in America.

Ill be there

Ipian wrote:No law = freedom.

No law = absolute anarchy

Rotgeheim wrote:No law = absolute anarchy

Exactly. What is more free than Anarchy?

without law there can be no freedom.

Hallo Island wrote:I care about this said "communist" because I care about every person who ever has or ever will live in Libertatem. I want them all to be as free as I. And if one damned citizen of Libertatem is being oppressed by the government, than I shall disregard all of your opinions and all of your damned laws until every single atom is free.

You're really not helping your campaign much. He's not being oppressed; he's being punished in accordance with the laws that we agreed upon and were discussing and debating back then, and can continue to discuss and debate now if someone wants to get them overturned.

I really do want to say that I could vote for you, but I simply cannot because you really aren't showing that you're fit for a position where it's your job to understand and uphold these laws.

Ipian wrote:No law = freedom.

no law = chaos

freedom = controlled chaos

no law ≠ controlled chaos

Northern Prussia wrote:Ill be there

There's no official closing ceremony for 4th BCT. They're closing the subordinate units individually. 1-61 CAV just got de-activated today, and that's four our of five units that make up 4th BCT. Only one more to go and the Currahees have been cased.

Miencraft wrote:You're really not helping your campaign much. He's not being oppressed; he's being punished in accordance with the laws that we agreed upon and were discussing and debating back then, and can continue to discuss and debate now if someone wants to get them overturned.

I really do want to say that I could vote for you, but I simply cannot because you really aren't showing that you're fit for a position where it's your job to understand and uphold these laws.

Lack There Of wrote:I think the word you're looking for is corporatism, or fascism to the layman. Its a rather dangerous precedent to choose which companies make a "profit" and which don't. Furthermore that further degrades the profit incentive which has given us the benefits of modern civilization. Central planning does not allow for innovation by nature.

What "central planning"!? I suggested no such thing. A properly structured national healthcare service analyses available medication based on a cost/effectiveness system. The companies that make a profit are those that make effective medication - as proven by their clinical trials - and receive contracts from the government. In turn, this allows them to fund trials on further drugs and make a profit. Thus, a successful company gets contracts for medication that has proven effective and continues to exist. Companies that are unable to provide medication that provides effective results (and preferably cheaply) continue to be the ones that flounder and die.

This is still at the very essence of capitalism.

I'm not saying private healthcare should not exist as an option alongside a national health service, I'm saying that there should always be the option of receiving treatment available to people - no matter how much income they make. In my "oh so humbly naive" opinion, protecting a citizen's right to life is a duty of the government - is that so wrong?

Miencraft wrote:I really do want to say that I could vote for you, but I simply cannot because you really aren't showing that you're fit for a position where it's your job to understand and uphold these laws.

not too mention help make more of them..

Humpheria wrote:freedom = controlled chaos

It's not freedom because it is controlled.

Ipian wrote:It's not freedom because it is controlled.

You'll never learn the importance of law until you have a toddler. :)

Muh Roads wrote:You'll never learn the importance of law until you have a toddler. :)

:) But no kid is really free. All have to go to school blablabla.

Rotgeheim wrote:There's no official closing ceremony for 4th BCT. They're closing the subordinate units individually. 1-61 CAV just got de-activated today, and that's four our of five units that make up 4th BCT. Only one more to go and the Currahees have been cased.

Sniff sniff. Im going to cry

Ipian wrote:It's not freedom because it is controlled.

Ever seen the Purge? Welcome to a world without laws.

What's the difference between a sad clown and Hallo Island?

One is a despondent circus performer and the other is a nation running for the Libertatem presidency. /antijoke

So, Board elections start tomorrow.

From what I understand, all the incumbents are running for those same seats, except RRRG, who Amarican is going to replace.

That sound about right?

Humpheria wrote:Compare and contrast Hallo Island and a wheel.

Both are great at spin.

Only one is running for president.

Mine was funnier.

Miencraft wrote:So, Board elections start tomorrow.

From what I understand, all the incumbents are running for those same seats, except RRRG, who Amarican is going to replace.

That sound about right?

Unless RRRG announces.

OK everyone. Just an FYI:

I am on Spring Break this week so you can imagine that I have been doing a lot of stuff. I try to check this once a day but I have a rather hard time sifting through the RMB at the end of each day. I am seeking reelection for my Board seat also.

Humpheria wrote:no law = chaos

freedom = controlled chaos

no law ≠ controlled chaos

Yeah freedom is chaos. It's beautiful. Controlled chaos is not freedom. For that you need laws and government and both of those time and time again restrict freedom and are slowly turning human beings into slaves. So objectively, freedom cannot possibly be controlled chaos.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote: I am seeking reelection for my Board seat also.

In that case, I'll go get the popcorn. GID v. Amarican should be interesting.

And given that, thus far it's this, then:

1- Lack

2- Humpty Dumpty

3- RRRG

4- Mien

5- Godisdead v. Amarican

That is, assuming I did read that correctly and Amarican did indeed say he'd be running for 5 if RRRG announced, which he has.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Yeah freedom is chaos. It's beautiful. Controlled chaos is not freedom. For that you need laws and government and both of those time and time again restrict freedom and are slowly turning human beings into slaves. So objectively, freedom cannot possibly be controlled chaos.
Again, freedom is not a great thing for a 3 year old. Just saying.

As humans, i do think we strive for some form of control, naturally. That does not have to be from government though, so don't take what i am saying incorrectly.

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