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Great, a terror attack in London Bridge. Which I get the train through twice a week. When will the madness end, and we all decide that Islam is the problem?

Stay safe, Pev

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

Humpheria wrote:Stay safe, Pev

Much appreciated, Humph. I'm fine since I don't live in London, I only commute. The trains and tubes are pretty well-guarded. But still, who knows, this kind of stuff can happen to anyone.

I love it when 'geeky' girls obsess over Harley Quinn and say how much they'd love to have a relationship like Harley and the Joker.

Ok, so you want your boyfriend to physically, verbally and psychologically abuse you, try to kill you multiple times, and treat you like a pet?

...actually, that makes perfect sense as to why girls want to emulate this.

Republic Of Minerva, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland

Pevvania wrote:Great, a terror attack in London Bridge. Which I get the train through twice a week. When will the madness end, and we all decide that Islam is the problem?

Don't die on me Pevv.

Pevvania, Rateria, Fascist Dred

Pevvania wrote:Much appreciated, Humph. I'm fine since I don't live in London, I only commute. The trains and tubes are pretty well-guarded. But still, who knows, this kind of stuff can happen to anyone.

Take up arms and show them ragheads hell if they ever try mess with Brits ever again!

Pevvania, Fascist Dred

Pevvania wrote:Is that you, Baxten?

Yes it is

How do you fix up your country?Do you just wait for the issues to roll in?

Rateria

Czekania wrote:How do you fix up your country?Do you just wait for the issues to roll in?

That's about it, yeah. You can only change your nation by answering issues, so if you're in a bad spot you just gotta answer them correctly and get stuff fixed.

Rateria

Miencraft wrote:That's about it, yeah. You can only change your nation by answering issues, so if you're in a bad spot you just gotta answer them correctly and get stuff fixed.

Crap

I'm sorry if im appearing a bit daft but, when and where did Condy say he was retiring?

Muh Roads wrote:I'm sorry if im appearing a bit daft but, when and where did Condy say he was retiring?

He announced it in private, in the channel for the commanding officers.

Please endorse me.

Post self-deleted by Aenaan.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=834464 Memorial is up, currently being worked on.

Rateria

Aenaan wrote:Please endorse me.

no

Aenaan wrote:Please endorse me.
no

Rateria, Terra De Libertatem

The reason TF2 is better than Overwatch is because Overwatch takes itself seriously while TF2 doesn't.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SW-BU6keEUw

undertalefandom.mp4

LSPAN: Join us tomorrow at 2PM EST for Condealism's Memorial service at LSPAN Stadium. Afterwards, Condy's friends, admirers, and former bandmates will perform as "Van Chiron" in the Concert For Chiron.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Aw man, I come back to Condealism leaving?

Rateria, Terra De Libertatem

Inissbeln wrote:Aw man, I come back to Condealism leaving?

A truly sad day. Sorry you had to come back to this

Rateria, Inissbeln

Lspan wrote:LSPAN: Join us tomorrow at 2PM EST for Condealism's Memorial service at LSPAN Stadium. Afterwards, Condy's friends, admirers, and former bandmates will perform as "Van Chiron" in the Concert For Chiron.

I request a dizi solo

Muh Roads wrote:I request a dizi solo

You will be listed as dizi

The States Of Balloon wrote:no

The World Assembly is a deadly lazer

Not anymore there's a resign button

Rateria, Terra De Libertatem

Baxten wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=790813

I know y'all are dealing with more important matters, but you can make claims now.

I realize the timing for this is gettig worse, but I'd suggesting reserving spots for future dates.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j9Dr1anRP9w/maxresdefault.jpg

A Concert for Chiron circa 2017

Pevvania wrote:I like Andrew Jackson. His decision to kill the bank was momentous. Arguably it, had bad short-term consequences a la the Panic of 1837, but once the system was able to recalibrate, it had a tremendous and direct influence on the 80 years of laissez-faire prosperity that followed. A central bank allows governments to run deficits without immediate consequence, which led to the creation of the welfare-warfare states. Restrained by the lack of easy credit, the federal government from Jackson to Taft was unable to undertake any significant experiments in big government.

Of course, Wilson changed all this, and he later deeply regretted it, privately admitting that he'd sold the nation down the river.

Like many larger-than-life self-made peops irl, Jackson was a mixed bag. His tenacity, determination, and drive for accomplishment were marred by a cruel streak and sense of exacting retribution. Jackson for good and ill as a warrior obliterated what he perceived as enemies to the United States (and thankfully the National Bank was on his bucket list). Unfortunately the Amerind Tribes were on that list as well.

His solution to the previous generation (our Founding Father's generation)'s (unintentionally) ambiguous stand, and the Southern States' discontent on the exact relationship of the Indian Nations in Constitutional Law had tragic consequences. He was politically correct to the letter of the Constitution (States have contiguous jurisdiction within its borders regarding all matters of statehood), but off base in the spirit of it (States thus lawfully constituted do so do not have to secure the rights of the individuals within said jurisdiction at the discretion of the state). This became yet another textbook case of Democracy in Action having tragic consequences for his generation' s attitudes to Tribal relations, the rights of American Indians to this day, and helped set the Democratic Party on its increasingly distancing course from the goals of our Founding Fathers (not that the GOP has a sterling record either).

Pevvania wrote:Here's a question - get rid of the state and local tax deduction or not? It's been part of the tax reform discussion to try and make up for some of the lost revenue. Getting rid of it will make state income taxes much more visible, which may mean that states like California and New York have to be careful with their spending, and perhaps even be forced to cut their taxes down.

Sounds good. Now if States will remove tax deductibility of the Federal taxes in their forms we will get somewhere. :) Perhaps more people will start to see their tax dollars at failing to work.

The States Of Balloon wrote:I'm going to sum up American politics in as few words as I can:

Conservatives are you. Liberals are your upstairs neighbors.

I see it more as upstairs neighbors running an entitlement meth lab and continuously playing their genre of defame-blame music persistently and loudly. When confronting the neighbors that what they do is detrimental to the community and to please turn the music down, they call the police officers. The downstairs neighbors are ticketed and must then must defend themselves in court to the Justice-Warrior-of-the-Peace against the false charge of hating entitlement addicts and wishing them to die.

Free States Of Cuba wrote:Do you guys think GOP should end the filibuster to move forward with the agenda?

Pretty clear the democrats are going to get rid of it whenever they retake power, might be smart for republicans to just try to make some gains now.

I only want the philibuster removed when the Senate is returned to being elected by the States.

Free States Of Cuba wrote:And he got completely steamrolled by the dems on his first budget... So far, all talk, no action.

In 120 days he has fulfilled at least 15 of his 44 campaign promises--what president in the last 50 years has done that? and has (like Reagan after Carter) in that time and with an overseas tour got some of the world respecting us as a nation again. Much of what America elected him to do needs to be done with the Congress. Congress is corrupted by its own ambition, nepotism, sycophancy, and sloth. Its like Speedy Gonzales and his cousin Slowpoke Rodriguez. Trump is whizzing by "MAGA-lé MAGA-lé! arriba arriba!" and Congress has barely moved.

Rateria wrote:Have any of you heard of [I]The Moon is a Harsh Mistress[/I]? I just received a copy that I ordered, and I want to read it over the summer.

Good book. Read it in the 1st grade and it captured my imagination with the political realities around me. It is thematically appropriate even today, even though the characterizations are outmoded.

It especially helped me to peg concepts and form my understanding of the developing conflict between land-owning Ranchers (like my family) and groups like the Cattlemen's Association in dealing with the hostility of the Federal government toward us. LBJs decision backed by Liberal think tanks ***cough-brookingsinstitue-cough-cough*** that self-sufficient family run enterprises with international reach must die affected us out to three and four generations of cousins--the Loonies. When looking at the larger theme of the book it makes understanding the power struggle even today such as the Bundy ranch standoff. Those trying to economically survive with their livelihood intact (the Bundys and their supporters), and the rest of Americas reactions (indifference or disgust but little outrage at fellow Americans incarcerated without Writ of Habeas Corpus, denied basic care, and brutalized while in Federal custody) because of later bad decisions.

It is a 50s scie-fi so no whips and chains as the title may suggest to Millennials.

Rateria

Terra De Libertatem wrote:The first paragraph of Wikipedia basically sums it up, Protestant denominations are "protesting" the errors of the Catholic Church. Up until the 1500s, the only Christians were either Catholic or Orthodox. Up until the 1300s, the only Christians were Catholic.

YAR (Yet Another Reason) why I dislike Wikipedia. Protest didn't mean as it connotes today personal disagreement, vapid difference of opinion, or unruly behaviour although that is sometimes the unintended consequences. Quite the opposite, a protest (think pro-test) is an orderly presentation of topics/theses for deliberation in demonstrating/affirming principles that express concern and resolve in a forum. This was usually, but not necessarily in opposition to that thing tested. Today, it is the second to the last resort by Law-Abiding Citizens when more expedient forms of due process have been neglected, abused, or denied; or the decent respect of opinion has been suppressed, even though it is used opportunistically by the unruly as an excuse to riot.

The Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights are protestations (in the older sense) of the British Crown, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution itself, respectively. Notice that in the first, the pro-test led to the separation from the Crown; In the second an ignoring and superseding of the Articles of Confederation; and In the third it was an addenda to and confirmation of the Constitution (the thing being con-tested.)

In todays parlance Protestants are not protesting the Roman Catholic Church but pro-testing (affirming and demonstrating) reliance/affirmation upon reforming (semper reformanda) to the catholic (little c) Church by Articles, Remonstrances, Credos, Councils, Constitutions, Rules of Order, Confessions early Church Tradition and if not those certainly by the Bible itself. This is in counter-claim to the Roman Catholic (big C) Church's at-test-ation of being the true Church. Therein lies the disagreement--Roman Catholics assert and maintain (protest) that they are fundamentally the catholic (little c) Church unbroken since Jesus Christ and Simon Peter. In this sense the Counter-Reformation pro-tested the con-testation of the Evangelicals by reaffirmations and Anathemas at the Councils of Trent. Evangelicals (the word for themselves) assert and maintain (protest) that they are fundamentally a part of the catholic Church for reasons other.

The short of it, if you stand for, affirm, and have resolved to order your life according to certain principles you are pro-testing those things by which you claim to live.

BTW, October 31st will be the 500th anniversary of Luther nailing the 95 Theses on the Wittenburg Door. Time Magazine's Most Influential Man of the 2nd Millennium AD. Hiss, cheer, or meh as you may.

Miencraft, Rateria

Terra De Libertatem wrote:Yes, it was the Catholic Church. It was the Church founded by Peter, and still is to this day. Protestants just differ on whether they are the true, infallible Church.

As for early Christianity having mosaic law, yes, it did. Until the Council of Jerusalem declared that gentiles had the right to be Christians without circumcision or holding Jewish tenets. In fact, Andrew confronts Peter in the book of Acts about this.

I believe it was Paul who confronted Peter. :) The Roman Catholic Church claims that it was founded by Peter and therefore has special privilege that the other (Orthodox) Patriarchs do not have--Keys to the Kingdom and what. To say that all the other Patriarchies, Autocepelates, and Communions of Jesus Christ especially those that were never a part of the Roman Empire let alone the Roman Catholic Rite as it evolved over the centuries are the divergents is confused at best. The Ethiopic churches (by Phillip's baptism of the Ethiopean eunuch), the Thomasian churches founded by the Apostle Thomas Didamus, and other Churches of the East were never a part of the Roman Empire (East and West). Some in the modern era have joined the Roman Communion; some whom are considered Orthodox and some whom are still independent Churches of the East.

Regardless, historic Christianity all agree as to the Church of Jesus Christ being catholic (universal), orthodox (right-thinking/believing), evangelical (preaching good news), apostolic (Jesus established his church by the 12 apostles), etc. The problem I have is not with Creed or Denomination, but with the confusion by turning those adjectives into proper nouns--much like adding "-ism" to something it changes the meaning.

.....Catholic (little c) goes from being all Christians everywhere to becoming only those particular Christians of a specific rite from a certain geographical area that expanded worldwide into Christianity's largest sect.

.....Orthodox (little c) goes from being all Christians everywhere who believe rightly the things that Jesus testified about himself to a set of rites within those who take the name Orthodox.

.....Evangelical (little c) goes from being all Christians everywhere who witness to /testify of /are martyred for the good news of the resurrection of Jesus Christ to being the Protestant Reformers and their subsequent congregants (also a large demographic chunk of unrelated American believers)--nonetheless an innumerable number given altogether to no consensual agreement as to rites or orthopraxy.

Compare progress--> Progressive; natural --> Naturalist; commune -->Communist, positive --> Positivist, Ipian-->Ipianist

Republic Of Minerva

The United States Of Patriots wrote:The amount of greenhouse gasses that man is responsible for is negligible when compared to the amount of natural emissions.

First off, source on that quote would be nice. Secondly define the scientific community, and why would the pentagon be an authoritative source on this?

As some one who is majoring in a field of physical science, what people throw around as science today is utterly ridiculous.

:) As someone majoring in avoiding con-men whose only solution seems to be robbing people of their natural rights as a human beings so that we can be "enlightened" under their dictatorial tutelage, I concur. From what I understand, a mere thousands of years ago there was a mile of ice over what will become the City of Chicago and Florida had 2X the acreage/hectarage that it does now with the shoreline 400ft/120m lower than today because the Ice Caps were huge (if not the more scientifically sounding humongous). When I was in Italy we recorded Mt. Etna belching several times more hydrocarbons high into the atmosphere during its eruptions that year than it has been calculated we have released as a species. That big gaseous fireball in the sky what comes out only in the daytime might have something to do with how warm and cool it gets as well.

Libiceland wrote:My point is that there is no climate change
There is. :) People who have to live out in nature tend to call it weather. The climate gets cold in winter, and hot in summer and then it changes back. In some parts of the world the climate changes from dry to drenchingly wet and back again. I think "climate change" is a weasel word for the duplicity of whether our freedoms can be taken away with scaremongering warming or cooling--too fears for the price of one.

Terra De Libertatem wrote:They gather the information from scientific research...

And of course NASA never falsifies data, makes mistakes, is swayed by politics, or is subject to its own confirmation biases...

Pulceria wrote:Ever heard of the global cooling crisis back in the 1900's that was "real" two. the government even said so, then they changed their mind.

P.S. don't bother trying to research about it. because there not a lot of info on the internet about it. ask your grandpa or someone that lived then they will tell you about it.

They taught it all the way up to the 1980s in many public school systems. The basic message was, "Because of Capitalism we're all going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" "You're going to freeze your children to death unless convince your parents to vote Democrat and you grow up to do the same." "Only Progressive Scientists who believe in Global Cooling are real scientists, those who disagree are frauds."

The science fiction selection in the Public School Lieberries were full of frozen apocalypses from Silverberg's Time of the Great Freeze, to some which I cannot recall the titles--Sail boats on ice skids with pirates and people trying to survive the thawing oceans. Equatorial Powers herding Northern Europeans into slave pens because there wasn't any place for them with all the ice freezing over the Mediterranean but they were really being processed as kibble (shades of Soylent Green). Space Pioneers colonize a perfect world but must stop the less advanced indigenous life forms from irrationally trying to heat up the planet to uninhabitable levels. (Turns out the Space Pioneers are methane based and the indigenous life forms are ***gasp*** humans who ruined the planet). Thankfully there were more soothingly realistic stories by Lovecraft and Howard to browse using inter-library loan.

Rateria wrote:Just so you guys know, I'm going to be inactive for two weeks or so. I'm going to be on a vacation.

Safe journeys. Don't forget to send us a t-shirt.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland

If I missed anybody please let me know. :) There is so much activity now with 100+ nations ***woohoo!** No time to responde to everyone anymore. :( Have a good morning all.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

It's a bit disingenuous to call the 1800s a period of laissez faire. Economy wise, it was all over the place with a bank run every Friday.

Narland, Rateria

Apparently this June is one of our coolest on record.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Libiceland

Narland wrote:If I missed anybody please let me know. :) There is so much activity now with 100+ nations ***woohoo!** No time to responde to everyone anymore. :( Have a good morning all.

Just make sure to be present at Condy's memorial service at 2 PM EST today! And have a good, late morning

Post self-deleted by Hyderbourg.

Greetings,

I know some of you do not know me, but I am Hyderbourg, the President of this region.

I would just like to welcome the large influx of nations, I know a lot of you are new here and I just want everybody to know that this is a warm welcoming region.

As soon as a nation joins, there's a lot of things it can do to get involved in the community.

We have an active Regional Message Board where you can engage and talk about politics as well as our own Discord channel with a link in the WFE.

You can also apply for citizenship by telegramming The United States Of Patriots.

Once you become a citizen you can be one of our regional leaders through the Judicial Branch, Legislative Branch, or even Executive Branch.

Telegram me if you have any questions.

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Libiceland, Terra De Libertatem

I feel like my Empire is a mixture of Middle Eastern, American,British, and Balkan just because of it's setting

Narland, Rateria, Hyderbourg, Libiceland

Last call for Senate nominations. Elections start tomorrow.

Czekania wrote:I feel like my Empire is a mixture of Middle Eastern, American,British, and Balkan just because of it's setting

My Republic is a mix of Gaelic, Jewish, American and Catholic culture

Rateria, Czekania

Czekania wrote:Can I enroll?

You are not a citizen, so no. It would be futile at this time however since granting citizenship right now is halted due to security reasons, but by August elections you can run!

Czekania

Condealism Memorial Service 2PM on the Discord.

Rateria, Hyderbourg, Jadentopian Order

Miencraft wrote:Last call for Senate nominations. Elections start tomorrow.

I announce my candidacy!

St Pierre And Miquelon wrote:I announce my candidacy!

You have to pick a seat.

LSPAN: Liberatem officials and citizens gather at the capitol building for Condy's memorial service. Van Chiron will conclude it's Concert For Chiron with "Art Of Dying" by George Harrison at 8 PM EST.

Rateria, Libiceland

Gah, Boes Othan had a terrorist attack. Smh. Apparently we need more wholesome diets than just pie...

Free old flags:

http://imgur.com/a/pCwGZ

Got a big folder with flags I don't use sitting around, figure I'd dump some for the public.

Rateria

I know you guys hate when I do this- but I'm switching nations once again. For the final time.

The reason I switched originally was because of how high the taxes are in this nation. But I'm just gonna get them down.

Sorry for the burden.

Auxorii wrote:I know you guys hate when I do this- but I'm switching nations once again. For the final time.

The reason I switched originally was because of how high the taxes are in this nation. But I'm just gonna get them down.

Sorry for the burden.

This is me

Auxorii wrote:I know you guys hate when I do this- but I'm switching nations once again. For the final time.

The reason I switched originally was because of how high the taxes are in this nation. But I'm just gonna get them down.

Sorry for the burden.

Uhh

Would you like to switch your senate campaign and everything?

Hyderbourg wrote:Uhh

Would you like to switch your senate campaign and everything?

Yeah

Auxorii wrote:Yeah

You're killing me, but finee.

Auxorii, Rateria

Hyderbourg wrote:You're killing me, but finee.

Make sure to TG patriots

Auxorii, Rateria

Hyderbourg wrote:Make sure to TG patriots

I did

Leslie Jones is an ape. That's not at all racist, because I'd apply the same (accurate) epithet to Rosie O'Donnell, a white woman.

Remember when SNL and late night TV used to be classy and poked fun at everyone regardless of politics? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Libiceland

I love how the Dems are hopelessly trying to turn Russiagate into a thing. I suppose it's hard to blame them for trying to get something to stick, since the House investigation into Benghazi was what led to the email scandal being uncovered.

There are clear advantages to adversarial politics, however. In the UK there's been broad bipartisan agreement about the environment, guns, drugs and cigarettes, pensions, abortion, and to a lesser extent the welfare state (it's increase a little bit vs. decrease a little bit, but nobody actually wants to get rid of the NHS). Of course with Corbyn and Brexit, the age of consensus seems to be unravelling once again. But the point is that consensus is very bad in that gives voters far less influence over policy, minimising their voice in government, and brings the political parties closer to the centre.

Hating the divided nature of American politics is totally reasonable, but the beauty of it is that it gives voters two clear visions, two ideologies, to vote on.

Miencraft, Auxorii, Rateria, Libiceland

Resurrect Maggie Thatcher please. She was a classical liberal Prime Minister in almost every respect, nowhere near the wet Toryism of May and her lackeys, and would surely rescue this country from the crisis of confidence we find ourselves in right now.

Narland, Libiceland

Pevvania wrote:Resurrect Maggie Thatcher please. She was a classical liberal Prime Minister in almost every respect, nowhere near the wet Toryism of May and her lackeys, and would surely rescue this country from the crisis of confidence we find ourselves in right now.

As an Irishman, no thanks.

Auxorii wrote:As an Irishman, no thanks.

Lol a Republican right?

Pevvania wrote:Lol a Republican right?

I'm an international supporter of Republican Sinn Feín and a member of the G.O.P.

What Thatcher did to the Catholics and Irish Republicans in the North was cruel.

Auxorii wrote:I'm an international supporter of Republican Sinn Feín and a member of the G.O.P.

What Thatcher did to the Catholics and Irish Republicans in the North was cruel.

I'm far from knowledgeable on Irish issues and I've been told it's best not to argue with you folks about it, for our own sake, but the general view in Britain is that Sinn Fein is/was somewhat of a terrorist organisation or at least harboured many terrorists. Sinn Fein, like all other UK nationalist parties, is also severely left-wing.

I've heard that Leo Vadakar, a half-Indian gay man and noted Thatcherite, has just become the presumptive Irish PM. Big win against identity politics and the regressive left!

Pevvania wrote:I'm far from knowledgeable on Irish issues and I've been told it's best not to argue with you folks about it, for our own sake, but the general view in Britain is that Sinn Fein is/was somewhat of a terrorist organisation or at least harboured many terrorists. Sinn Fein, like all other UK nationalist parties, is also severely left-wing.

I've heard that Leo Vadakar, a half-Indian gay man and noted Thatcherite, has just become the presumptive Irish PM. Big win against identity politics and the regressive left!

Republican Sinn Feín is known to be the political wing of the Provisional I.R.A, a paramilitary organized to fight against British occupation in the North. Thatcher let Bloody Sunday happen, she allowed Bobby Sands to starve to death, and she didn't care of the needless bloodshed going on in the North. If you notice, I said Republican Sinn Feín, which is different from the mainstream Sinn Feín, RSF is more active on Irish nationalism and republicanism and advocates Éire nua. But yes, a lot of Irish Republican parties are socialist, like éirígí, that's why I shy away from the mainstream.

I actually don't know much about the new guy, however, I was very against the water tax which was proposed by his party. Enda Kenny at least had the dignity to refuse to speak English in the Dáil and insisted on speaking Gaeilge.

Pevvania wrote:I've been told it's best not to argue with you folks about it, for our own sake,

That's because of how personal it is. I grew up in an Irish Republican house, my father would go through the roof at the sight of a British flag, and a lot of people in the Republic of Ireland know members of the I.R.A and we agree with the cause that they're fighting. It's one of those things where you have to experience it from the points of view

Narland, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Resurrect Maggie Thatcher please. She was a classical liberal Prime Minister in almost every respect, nowhere near the wet Toryism of May and her lackeys, and would surely rescue this country from the crisis of confidence we find ourselves in right now.

I would be fine with just bringing Cameron back. lol

Republic Of Minerva wrote:It's a bit disingenuous to call the 1800s a period of laissez faire. Economy wise, it was all over the place with a bank run every Friday.

True from one perspective, but from another, it was a golden age for entrepreneurs, businessmen, tradesmen, et al because in most of the country people didn't bother asking their regulators for assistance--they just went out and did it.

For the corporato-statists and banksters and those industrialists in bed with Federal and some State governments that is true, but this affected only those who were willing participants in the collusion. For the fast majority of Americans they never saw a Fed or State employee unless it was to deliver the mail, check bills of lading for overseas transport, or the citizen was gullible enough to axe for government assistance. The vast majority of Americans did not. Most Americans relied on the social networks created by their churches, communities, relevant occupation organizations, fellowships, beneficent societies, coöperatives, extended family and alma-maters for their livelihood. Except in major cities (a minority of America) government had little do do with any of it, and it was easy to escape its grasp by voting with one's feet.

Until the 20th Century most Americans outside of urban areas regarded banks as places where criminals kept their money. Fewer than 20% of Americans owned bank accounts. It affected high society the worst and they got most of the press. High society was where well-born could pretend they were Europeans instead of Americans (a jaundiced view of my great-grandfather). The (working) and middle class were vastly unregulated at the local levels until the rise of the Progressivists incrementally from the 1890s and their eventual reign by the 20th Century.

95% of all Americans were self-employed or owned their own estate from which to be industrious. Most did agriculture and light industry outside of the urban strangleholds. In an age before electronic surveillance it was easy to do an end-run around unreasonable economic stupidity so that families could survive and thrive with hard work and honest dealings. If you wanted to start a factory, business, or trade and you didn't like the ordinances all you had to do was move to where the environment was more hands off.

America is one of the few places in history where smuggling (to over-regulated countries) and under the table work (domestically) were honest and open as long as the activities were otherwise lawful. Money, finance and credit transfer through beneficent societies, co-ops, the valuation of real money being high (in spite of bimetallism), and the pervasive honoring of personal checks, iou's, in lieu of bank notes allowed most citizens to engage in the free market--of course in the minds of socialists this is scandalous and criminal, even though people were getting and giving expected products/services at fair prices. That is not to say that it wasn't a hard life, it was. But unlike today the rewards of one's labor were readily seen and more easily attained without the parasitic burden of bad government sucking the life out of the natural consequences of people's actions.

So yes, in a sense, America never had true laissez-faire from the text-book perspective, especially since we never really had sound currency and honest banking simultaneously like UK and some of the European States; but we had it where regulatory over-reach was non-existent/feeble, other States engaged in beneficent indifference, or the government rightly served its People.

Czekania wrote:I feel like my Empire is a mixture of Middle Eastern, American,British, and Balkan just because of it's setting

If you have balklava we have beef, corn, and washed-up comediennes to trade.

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Auxorii wrote:That's because of how personal it is. I grew up in an Irish Republican house, my father would go through the roof at the sight of a British flag, and a lot of people in the Republic of Ireland know members of the I.R.A and we agree with the cause that they're fighting. It's one of those things where you have to experience it from the points of view

I can understand the hot-hotheadedness. My great-grandfather was from Cork. He was Sinn Féin and supported the IRA until betrayed by them. They massacred his first family at his farm while away on business some time after the Great War. He immediately immigrated to the US. I am sure their is more to the story that is lost to history. He loved Ireland but hated both the Brits and the IRA, but especially the IRA.

He would go off the rails at their mere mention of the IRA. He was one of my caretakers as a kid (both of us living at my Grandfather (his son-in-law)'s ranch. I made the mistake of letting my music teacher in 1st grade me some Irish songs to sing thinking it would please him, but they were IRA songs. It sent him into a drinking spree and drunken rage that lasted for weeks. :( It is hard to believe that that was almost 50 years ago.

I tried to correct the grammarage but failed. It seems that Irish politics in the 20th century was intensely personal and ofttimes tragic. It helps in understanding your perspective on some issues.

Auxorii, Rateria

Free States Of Cuba wrote:I would be fine with just bringing Cameron back. lol

No thanks. Better than May, but still a one-nation Europhile. Same as Major. Last good PM was Maggie.

Narland wrote: I see it more as upstairs neighbors running an entitlement meth lab and continuously playing their genre of defame-blame music persistently and loudly. When confronting the neighbors that what they do is detrimental to the community and to please turn the music down, they call the police officers. The downstairs neighbors are ticketed and must then must defend themselves in court to the Justice-Warrior-of-the-Peace against the false charge of hating entitlement addicts and wishing them to die.

So, upstairs neighbors.

Narland, Rateria

Hello there, it is I, Yukona and this is my puppet

Rateria

Watching 13 Reasons Why reminds me of how petty and juvenile being in high school is. 99% of the stuff that matters to high school kids does not matter after it's over.

Narland, Pugmerica, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The Sithist Galaxy

Pevvania wrote:Watching 13 Reasons Why reminds me of how petty and juvenile being in high school is. 99% of the stuff that matters to high school kids does not matter after it's over.

I thought the same, but I remember being in high school and actually thinking adults don't understand how impactful it is. Yeah, it was tonnes of bullsh*t, but ultimately it has a huge deciding factor on how you develop as a kid and what the experience of what should be some of the best years of your life, void of most responsibility, is like.

The Sithist Galaxy wrote:I thought the same, but I remember being in high school and actually thinking adults don't understand how impactful it is. Yeah, it was tonnes of bullsh*t, but ultimately it has a huge deciding factor on how you develop as a kid and what the experience of what should be some of the best years of your life, void of most responsibility, is like.

First, welcome to the region.

Secondly, that's true as well. I was kind of confident in high school in the class clown kind of way, but my environment made me way too self-conscious to properly grow as a person and be myself. I have no regrets at all, but if I could go back to myself 6 or 7 years ago I would say "relax, don't care what anybody thinks of you, have fun and study hard". And I'd say that to any other high schooler too.

Narland, Rateria, The Sithist Galaxy

Couldn't have put it better- Irish politics is intensely personal and tragic

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The Sithist Galaxy

Auxorii wrote:Couldn't have put it better- Irish history is intensely personal and tragic

i think you mean this

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, The Sithist Galaxy

The United States Of Patriots wrote:i think you mean this

That too

Rateria

I think I may just become inactive, the whole "leading a country to success" is a lot harder than I thought.

Rateria, The Sithist Galaxy

Boes Othan wrote:I think I may just become inactive, the whole "leading a country to success" is a lot harder than I thought.

It takes a few years, but eventually you get to a point where it's easier for you to screw your country up than make it better.

Narland, Rateria

[B]OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT[/B]

Using the powers vested in me by the Constitution of the Second Republic of Libertatem and Section I Subsection II of the HOLIDAY Act, I hereby pronounce June 4 as Libertatem Memorial Day. This holiday will be treated as an observance as outlined in Section I Subsection IV of the HOLIDAY Act. On solemn this day we will congregate in the Capitol Building at a time indicated by the sitting president and remember those who have built Libertatem but are no longer with us.

Thank you,

Hyderbourg

Rateria

The elections have started. Pevvania will win Seat 2 by default. All other seats are contested.

For Seat I, the President of Libertatem officially endorses The Aradites.

He has proven to be a capable senator and should be given the ability to continue doing so.

Rateria, The Aradites

[B]OFFICE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT

[I]Vice President Humpheria

In my capacity as a private citizen and a former Senator, I am proud to endorse Aradites, Pevvania, Jadentopia, Auxorii, and VenomRingo to serve in the Senate. As the Vice President and Chancellor of State, I look forward to working with whomever is victorious.

Humph

Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo

Pevvania wrote:Watching 13 Reasons Why reminds me of how petty and juvenile being in high school is. 99% of the stuff that matters to high school kids does not matter after it's over.

Haven't seen it, but I agree. A lot of teens don't get that they're gonna be a nobody as soon as school ends. My brother is the same way. He does all this dumb stuff just to get the other kids to like him. I gave up on that stuff in middle school.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Libiceland, Pulceria

Going through old puppets when suddenly there are two old Black Riders recruitment TGs in their inboxes

http://imgur.com/a/GxKJo

Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Watching 13 Reasons Why reminds me of how petty and juvenile being in high school is. 99% of the stuff that matters to high school kids does not matter after it's over.

So Glad I'm Home-schooled!

Pevvania, Narland

How long will the "book of the month" stay the "book of the month"?

"The Law" isn't the only good political book.

Rateria

Pulceria wrote:How long will the "book of the month" stay the "book of the month"?

"The Law" isn't the only good political book.

Until someone gets around to changing it. It was [I]The Cat in the Hat for a while.

Pevvania, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:Until someone gets around to changing it. It was [I]The Cat in the Hat for a while.

Well here are some of my suggestions that are a little more political then The Cat in the Hat.

Real Dissent by Thomas Woods.

Whatever Happened to Justice by Richard Maybury.

Common Sense by Thomas Paine.

The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith.

The Tuttle Twins series by Conner Boyack.

The Creature from Jekylle Island by G. Edward Griffin.

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria

Liberty Defined by Ron Paul is my favorite

Narland, Rateria, Pulceria

Auxorii wrote:Liberty Defined by Ron Paul is my favorite

That sound awesome I'm going to look into that.

Also Tom Woods was Ron's right hand man so you would like his books.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Post self-deleted by Yakian.

Not cool. you probably lost votes from that.

Auxorii

Yakian wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME YOU PIECES OF AUTISM YOU LITTLE FUKKKKKKK BITCHES

VOTE FOR ME OR DIE

Responding inb4 ban

Auxorii, Rateria

Yakian is a true voice of the people, I commend him for his candor.

Yakian will definitely not be getting my vote, that's for sure

Auxorii, Rateria

Post self-deleted by Yakian.

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