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Jaraakaven wrote:I heard i could get bitcoins here. Any way i could recieve 1 Bitchcoin plz?

To the bitcoin gulag with you. 20 years!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:To the bitcoin gulag with you. 20 years!

I already made that joke

Good morning, I am the government

Armranackvlononistan wrote:Good morning, I am the government

You suck

Armranackvlononistan

I love vacation. Anyone have big plans for New Years?

Humpheria wrote:I love vacation. Anyone have big plans for New Years?

Watching Sean's inauguration

The States Of Balloon wrote:Watching Sean's inauguration

It's tied.

Jadentopian Order wrote:It's tied.

Then better for it to stay that way

Jadentopian Order wrote:It's tied.

One vote for Sean is invalid.

Boes Othan wrote:One vote for Sean is invalid.

So is one for Pev

I think the reason the vote is tied right now is because both candidates have very similar platforms

12-14 now, one invalid on Pev's side, and one on Sean's side.

Post self-deleted by Venomringo.

Venomringo wrote:Citizens, it is time I release some information about President Pevvania. I have been keeping this to myself and Pevvania, so I could give him an opportunity to preserve his dignity, but it is time for the rest of you to know. The President has, as I suspect, committed voter fraud. The account of Liberosia has been accessible to a few individuals, but the one I want to bring to question is Pevvania. Pev has controlled Liberosia ever since he left the game a few years ago and this Liberosia only votes when Pev is on the ballot. This is evident because in this election and the last Liberosia voted for Pev (https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=99203), however, in the election before that (Hyder vs Condy, https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=90388) Liberosia had not voted. Now, how do I know Pev logged into Liberosia to vote for himself? Well, the most recent government activity has their activity being logged at one minute apart, which is too much of a coincidence to be innocent (https://imgur.com/a/U80A9). Furthermore, he attempted to bribe Goldi (which is also voter fraud) by offering her any government position in exchange for her vote (https://imgur.com/a/m7d28). This behavior is sickening. It brings me no pleasure to unveil this information, but I must be transparent with you all and you deserve to know the truth. Thank you and God Bless you.

-Sean

Pev has Liberosia on Facebook and asked him to vote for him. He posted a screenshot of their conversation in Messenger on Discord. I don’t know that making accusations and trying to smear your opponent when it’s clear that you’re going to win is the best strategy. I’ve heard from a few people that they didn’t like how dirty this race got. And I agree with them, I think both campaigns did too much mudslinging.

I would hope that our next President would enter office as a positive and unifying figure and I hope that’s what you do from here on as you become a leader.

Pevvania

y'all mind if i uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh jinx the mf election

Venomringo wrote:Citizens, it is time I release some information about President Pevvania. I have been keeping this to myself and Pevvania, so I could give him an opportunity to preserve his dignity, but it is time for the rest of you to know. The President has, as I suspect, committed voter fraud. The account of Liberosia has been accessible to a few individuals, but the one I want to bring to question is Pevvania. Pev has controlled Liberosia ever since he left the game a few years ago and this Liberosia only votes when Pev is on the ballot. This is evident because in this election and the last Liberosia voted for Pev (https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=99203), however, in the election before that (Hyder vs Condy, https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=90388) Liberosia had not voted. Now, how do I know Pev logged into Liberosia to vote for himself? Well, the most recent government activity has their activity being logged at one minute apart, which is too much of a coincidence to be innocent (https://imgur.com/a/U80A9). Furthermore, he attempted to bribe Goldi (which is also voter fraud) by offering her any government position in exchange for her vote (https://imgur.com/a/m7d28). This behavior is sickening. It brings me no pleasure to unveil this information, but I must be transparent with you all and you deserve to know the truth. Thank you and God Bless you.

-Sean

You're in the lead as of now. Don't do anything to mess it up. . .

Miencraft, Venomringo

Post self-deleted by Venomringo.

Venomringo wrote:I only posted it to be transparent and to follow the request of the very people who switched their vote. The whole region practically knows, anyhow...But, yeah, he sent a screenshot of a message he had with somebody - how do we know if it's actually Liberosia?

Man- you’re going to win. What do you want to happen? Either Pev refuses to release the name of our founder or he gives this guys name out to everyone that wants it.

You told me earlier tonight you are ready to move on from the past and look forward to what we are going to do as a region. I hope you meant it.

And on that note, good night everyone! Don’t let the commies bite!

Rateria, Venomringo

Post self-deleted by Acelandinisia.

thank you all for your votes; i am proud to announce that i am president

Rateria, Acelandinisia, Jadentopian Order, Firstname Lastname Ron Paul Usa

Minarchist party, i shall join you when i gain citizenship if you change the name to "The Birthday Party"

Eef wrote:thank you all for your votes; i am proud to announce that i am president
Congratulations mr president!

Reaganists, i'll join if you rename it "The Reagan Ranch Foundation" and make the Banner of the Reagan Ranch with Ronald Reagan Ranching on the Range at the Reagan Ranch in Ranch Clothes

Gastineau

Eef wrote:thank you all for your votes; i am proud to announce that i am president

You too

Friends, I will deliver a speech on the morning of December 30th. God bless you all.

Rateria, Venomringo, The First Islands, Venom For President

Post self-deleted by Venomringo.

Friends, supporters, and citizens,

Thank you. It's been a tumultuous journey, but we did it together. From a decisive lead to a one vote disadvantage to a sweeping victory - we did it. For the first time, in a long time, a non-establishment candidate has won the Presidency for Libertatem and I cannot feel more honored to be the one who did it with your help, of course. I would like to thank President Pevvania for putting up one hell of a fight for he is a true fighter and, forever, a great friend and opponent. The future is bright for us and I am thankful to be the one to lead us to new heights and adventures that was only obtainable with your help. I will not let you down, Libertatem.

-Sean

Pevvania, Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight, Irvino

Hey, puppets, your votes don't count. Go back to Russia. Thanks.

Miencraft, Rateria

A huge thank you to all of our supporters this election! The next four months will be some of the greatest in Libertatem history!

Rateria

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Post by Alagska suppressed by Jadentopian Order.

Alagska

has anyone here ever gotten their dick stuck in a door jamb

Post by Alagska suppressed by Jadentopian Order.

Alagska

i'm asking for a friend

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Alagska

time sensitive question

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WA Member here voting for Venomringo

Wait so who won because has 10 more votes right now

Venomringo has 3 more WA votes.

Electoral College knows best

Goldi went rogue. She is the definition of a flip state.

New Acrlandinisia is NOT ME

Lol. Trolls.

Rateria

Anyone who claims to be me, KICK THEM. They are Houthi spies trying to influence the election. These people who joined all of a sudden CANNOT CHANGE THE ELECTION, as they aren't citizens

Sfr Yugoslav

Acelandinisia wrote:Anyone who claims to be me, KICK THEM.

We can't go around kicking anyone we want.

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Miencraft wrote:We can't go around kicking anyone we want.

Yes we can, because they aren't citizens

Acelandinisia

Miencraft wrote:

We can't go around kicking anyone we want.

But they are foreign spies attempting to take my place, as well as influence the election. Look, Houthia has a long history with Raiders. You guys need to stop the problem. These people clearly are puppets attempting to influence the election, and the sudden surgence for Venom's opposition is because of these fake accounts.

Sfr Yugoslav

Acelandinisia wrote:But they are foreign spies attempting to take my place, as well as influence the election. Look, Houthia has a long history with Raiders. You guys need to stop the problem. These people clearly are puppets attempting to influence the election, and the sudden surgence for Venom's opposition is because of these fake accounts.

We have a process in Libertatem. We can't just kick them all we want immediately, even if not citizens. And the odds of them becoming citizens is quite low considering their actions right now. If it is in fact a threat Libertatem will deal with it.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

The Aradites wrote:

We have a process in Libertatem. We can't just kick them all we want immediately, even if not citizens. And the odds of them becoming citizens is quite low considering their actions right now. If it is in fact a threat Libertatem will deal with it.

Fair enough. Still though, is it possible to get rid of New Acelandinisia, as that isn't me, and he's trying to influence the election? It's obvious he's a poser

Sfr Yugoslav

Acelandinisia wrote:But they are foreign spies attempting to take my place, as well as influence the election. Look, Houthia has a long history with Raiders. You guys need to stop the problem. These people clearly are puppets attempting to influence the election, and the sudden surgence for Venom's opposition is because of these fake accounts.

See, the thing is, as it stands whatever drama is going on in your home region isn't our business.

On top of that, they're not citizens, so it doesn't matter if they're trying to influence the election here. Legally, they're just random people who came to vote without having it counted. If there were actually someone making fake citizens trying to shift the polls, that'd be a crime, but right now there's nothing actionable.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Yes we can, because they aren't citizens

Only if they're a threat to regional security. For right now I don't really see any particular threat here. I just see one guy who has some enemies that are launching some pathetic attempt to get back at him.

Rateria

If someone is impersonating you, tell the mods. They can deal with it.

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Final count is 10 for Pevvania, 17 for Venomringo. The new President will take office on January 1.

Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

we did it boys

Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Honestly though someone impersonating you is the worst thing, and sometimes it isn't obvious enough for the moderators to take action. Someone is trying to join our region and become an active member of our community, and he's being harassed. It's our duty to do try and help him

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Honestly though someone impersonating you is the worst thing, and sometimes it isn't obvious enough for the moderators to take action. Someone is trying to join our region and become an active member of our community, and he's being harassed. It's our duty to do try and help him

That is the thing, what can we do that doesn't require arbitrary measures?

Miencraft, Rateria, Acelandinisia

Congratulations President-elect Venomringo and The Aradites.

Rateria, Venomringo, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Honestly though someone impersonating you is the worst thing, and sometimes it isn't obvious enough for the moderators to take action. Someone is trying to join our region and become an active member of our community, and he's being harassed. It's our duty to do try and help him

Hello I am Lib. This man is a fraud.

Miencraft, Rateria

History factbook has been updated and the Reform Crisis section is now complete. Some information on Supting is still needed, and more detailed information on everything before then is needed as well, but for now there's some coverage of everything leading up to the present day, barring some things after the entry into NURight.

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight

Highway Eight wrote:Congratulations President-elect Venomringo and The Aradites.

Thank you!

Rateria, Venomringo, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Honestly though someone impersonating you is the worst thing, and sometimes it isn't obvious enough for the moderators to take action. Someone is trying to join our region and become an active member of our community, and he's being harassed. It's our duty to do try and help him

Funny hearing you speak of responsibility, considering your "non-citizens should be enslaved" policy.

Miencraft, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight

Is the Discord down?

Humpheria wrote:Is the Discord down?

Yep

Irvino wrote:Funny hearing you speak of responsibility, considering your "non-citizens should be enslaved" policy.

Lol it's not quite like that. It's just that Iceland has a lot of lazy immigrants that just hang on the streets and harass people and such, so why not force them to work on a farm somewhere and do something good? Otherwise they can just gtfo of the country

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Lol it's not quite like that. It's just that Iceland has a lot of lazy immigrants that just hang on the streets and harass people and such, so why not force them to work on a farm somewhere and do something good? Otherwise they can just gtfo of the country

Serfdom isn't libertarian. Slavery is evil. If you wanted the immigrants to work, then your nation should cut down on immigration and repeal welfare laws. If the state didn't enslave these people in its own way to the indolent lifestyle of the welfare dime, they'd have to search for job opportunities. The destabilization of society caused by mass influx of immigrants can be cut down by limiting the flow. Assimilation needs time and generations to work.

That being said, Iceland is a broken wreck of a country which I doubt even has the capacity to create job opportunities for an excess of people.

Also, you still advocate a weird dictatorship, which isn't libertarian in any sense.

That being said

Miencraft, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eight

Irvino wrote:Serfdom isn't libertarian. Slavery is evil. If you wanted the immigrants to work, then your nation should cut down on immigration and repeal welfare laws. If the state didn't enslave these people in its own way to the indolent lifestyle of the welfare dime, they'd have to search for job opportunities. The destabilization of society caused by mass influx of immigrants can be cut down by limiting the flow. Assimilation needs time and generations to work.

That being said, Iceland is a broken wreck of a country which I doubt even has the capacity to create job opportunities for an excess of people.

Also, you still advocate a weird dictatorship, which isn't libertarian in any sense.

That being said

Well you are right about the welfare thing but even if there wasn't welfare we'd probably still have a few foreigners without a job here, and even if they are not a burden if we don't have welfare they're still not contributing in any way, which is exactly what we want foreigners to be doing. Plus by "enslaving" them (I don't really like that term) we are at least giving them a shelter and food and clothes, so it's also the compassionate thing to do.

Also, Iceland is not perfect but it's not doing that badly, and I don't advocate a dictatorship in any way, shape or form, so I really don't know what you're talking about. Did Highway Eight tell you that I was a "clerical fascist"?

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Plus by "enslaving" them (I don't really like that term) we are at least giving them a shelter and food and clothes, so it's also the compassionate thing to do.

wat

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Miencraft wrote:wat

Well yeah. They would get a roof over their head and clothes and such, so it's the compassionate thing to do

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well yeah. They would get a roof over their head and clothes and such, so it's the compassionate thing to do

What universe do you have to live in where forced labor is compassionate?

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Miencraft wrote:What universe do you have to live in where forced labor is compassionate?

Lol you make it sound like I'm a monster. Forced labor doesn't mean a 16 hour workday and guards with whips to make sure you don't stop working

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well yeah. They would get a roof over their head and clothes and such, so it's the compassionate thing to do

What do you think of this? "...This was true because while the black in the South worked in the fresh air, the wage slave worked in stuffy factories that were littered with diseases. Also, the black slaves in the south had a secure home and food from their masters, while the wage slaves did not have these "privileges."

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eight

The personality of most overwatch characters is that they are attractive

Acelandinisia

[U]MOVING FORWARD

Dear people of Libertatem,

It's been a tumultuous 48 hours and I'd like to both officially concede to the president-elect and clear up some of the confusion we've had, in the interest of transparency and for the good of the region.

I regret that in the final stretch of the race, the election devolved into a mudslinging contest. I bare as much blame for this as Sean, and for that I am sorry. I tried to keep it civil but in our desperation to win we lowered ourselves to do things only politics can compel you to do. I did indeed offer Goldi Chief of Staff in return for her vote, a cheap and desperate ploy to change the direction of the race.

Regrettably, I also declassified the following screenshots (https://i.imgur.com/FsnKMhB.png

https://i.imgur.com/bixjsmL.png) and sent them to LibIceland, Rateria and Dred. My intention was to expose the reasons for Venom's dismissal as Chancellor of War and counteract the claim that he wasn't given sufficient authority as Chancellor. This was clearly the wrong thing to do, as it helped poison the well of a campaign that had largely been clean up until the election itself, and I hope as a region we can quickly reconcile the differences of the campaign and unite to propel our republic to further success.

Regarding Liberosia, as I told both the president-elect and Justice Miencraft, the endorsement from the Founder is legitimate. He asked me to use his account to vote for me out of convenience, but I withdrew the vote and asked him to do it personally. This can all be corroborated with screenshot evidence and if necessary I can have the founder come on Discord and personally vouch for himself, as he did in the last election cycle. I am disappointed that this non-issue was used to undermine the legitimacy of my reelection campaign, but we should dwell no further on it - it's time to move forward as a region.

If anything, the result of the rumors spread about the Pev/Tampa campaign gives me great confidence and hope in the people of this region - that they recoil at the mere insinuation of corruption, and are a fundamentally good, decent and moral people. Allegations turned the electorate in the opposite direction, which has renewed my pride in our citizens and gives me optimism for the future.

Finally, I'd like to congratulate President-Elect VenomRingo on a hard fought campaign. The people have spoken and I will respect their wishes. He is, like me, a fighter, and that fills me with the hope that he will fight for you and for the future of Libertatem. I am immensely proud of what we've accomplished over the past four months and the past four years, the former of which I will detail in my farewell address, and I love Libertatem just as much today as I always have. We have a long history of cordial and peaceful transitions and I look forward to making the transfer of power as smooth as possible. It has been an honour and truly a pleasure to serve this region for so long. I have said it before, and will say it again: our best days are ahead of us.

God bless the Republic of Libertatem.

Rateria, The Aradites, Venomringo, Acelandinisia, Jadentopian Order, Boes Othan, Highway Eight, The First Islands, El Casablanca

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well you are right about the welfare thing but even if there wasn't welfare we'd probably still have a few foreigners without a job here, and even if they are not a burden if we don't have welfare they're still not contributing in any way, which is exactly what we want foreigners to be doing. Plus by "enslaving" them (I don't really like that term) we are at least giving them a shelter and food and clothes, so it's also the compassionate thing to do.

Also, Iceland is not perfect but it's not doing that badly, and I don't advocate a dictatorship in any way, shape or form, so I really don't know what you're talking about. Did Highway Eight tell you that I was a "clerical fascist"?

I told everyone here you were a theocratic reactionary without being told anything. I actually find you quite anti-clerical, since I was told you hate the Church and worship Wotan and the Aesir.

Using the institution of the state to organize workforces from unpaid labor is nothing less than slavery and dictatorship.

It's state-controlled collective farms. In this regard, you remind me of Stalin.

In any case, I find that if someone were told to find work or starve, they'd either find work or resort to criminality. Oftentimes, the latter choice might be made.

The second part of the problem therefore comes up. There need to be enough job opportunities, preferably menial ones.

If America brought its industry back from China (which uses de facto slave labor in many instances) and cut down on immigration, the job opportunities would reappear. Capitalism would make the country productive again.

Iceland, however, is a small, cold, bitter patch of land that I don't see has much opportunity for production, except of the agricultural kind, and almost no opportunity for industrialization. What's more, it's a small land for a small population. Massive influx of immigrants is not conducive to maintaining a small population. It would suit these immigrants best therefore to emigrate somewhere else.

I digress. The bottom line is that you are not a libertarian or a capitalist. You are a statist and a theocrat.

Rateria, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Pevvania wrote:[U]MOVING FORWARD

Dear people of Libertatem,

It's been a tumultuous 48 hours and I'd like to both officially concede to the president-elect and clear up some of the confusion we've had, in the interest of transparency and for the good of the region.

I regret that in the final stretch of the race, the election devolved into a mudslinging contest. I bare as much blame for this as Sean, and for that I am sorry. I tried to keep it civil but in our desperation to win we lowered ourselves to do things only politics can compel you to do. I did indeed offer Goldi Chief of Staff in return for her vote, a cheap and desperate ploy to change the direction of the race.

Regrettably, I also declassified the following screenshots (https://i.imgur.com/FsnKMhB.png

https://i.imgur.com/bixjsmL.png) and sent them to LibIceland, Rateria and Dred. My intention was to expose the reasons for Venom's dismissal as Chancellor of War and counteract the claim that he wasn't given sufficient authority as Chancellor. This was clearly the wrong thing to do, as it helped poison the well of a campaign that had largely been clean up until the election itself, and I hope as a region we can quickly reconcile the differences of the campaign and unite to propel our republic to further success.

Regarding Liberosia, as I told both the president-elect and Justice Miencraft, the endorsement from the Founder is legitimate. He asked me to use his account to vote for me out of convenience, but I withdrew the vote and asked him to do it personally. This can all be corroborated with screenshot evidence and if necessary I can have the founder come on Discord and personally vouch for himself, as he did in the last election cycle. I am disappointed that this non-issue was used to undermine the legitimacy of my reelection campaign, but we should dwell no further on it - it's time to move forward as a region.

If anything, the result of the rumors spread about the Pev/Tampa campaign gives me great confidence and hope in the people of this region - that they recoil at the mere insinuation of corruption, and are a fundamentally good, decent and moral people. Allegations turned the electorate in the opposite direction, which has renewed my pride in our citizens and gives me optimism for the future.

Finally, I'd like to congratulate President-Elect VenomRingo on a hard fought campaign. The people have spoken and I will respect their wishes. He is, like me, a fighter, and that fills me with the hope that he will fight for you and for the future of Libertatem. I am immensely proud of what we've accomplished over the past four months and the past four years, the former of which I will detail in my farewell address, and I love Libertatem just as much today as I always have. We have a long history of cordial and peaceful transitions and I look forward to making the transfer of power as smooth as possible. It has been an honour and truly a pleasure to serve this region for so long. I have said it before, and will say it again: our best days are ahead of us.

God bless the Republic of Libertatem.

A rogue Goldi is a dangerous Goldi.

Pevvania

Irvino wrote:I told everyone here you were a theocratic reactionary without being told anything. I actually find you quite anti-clerical, since I was told you hate the Church and worship Wotan and the Aesir.

Using the institution of the state to organize workforces from unpaid labor is nothing less than slavery and dictatorship.

It's state-controlled collective farms. In this regard, you remind me of Stalin.

In any case, I find that if someone were told to find work or starve, they'd either find work or resort to criminality. Oftentimes, the latter choice might be made.

The second part of the problem therefore comes up. There need to be enough job opportunities, preferably menial ones.

If America brought its industry back from China (which uses de facto slave labor in many instances) and cut down on immigration, the job opportunities would reappear. Capitalism would make the country productive again.

Iceland, however, is a small, cold, bitter patch of land that I don't see has much opportunity for production, except of the agricultural kind, and almost no opportunity for industrialization. What's more, it's a small land for a small population. Massive influx of immigrants is not conducive to maintaining a small population. It would suit these immigrants best therefore to emigrate somewhere else.

I digress. The bottom line is that you are not a libertarian or a capitalist. You are a statist and a theocrat.

Lol I do not worship Wotan or the Æsir. I'm a Christian. You can't believe every word that those guys say on the Discord :þ

Also, Iceland is number 10 when it comes to both silicon and aluminum production (not per capita). And I may not be a libertarian but I'm most certainly a capitalist

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:And I may not be a libertarian but I'm most certainly a capitalist

Not if you support the government buying up all the arable land and renting it to farmers.

Pevvania, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:And I may not be a libertarian but I'm most certainly a capitalist
600% tariffs and refusing to allow people of foreign ancestry to work in jobs that you deem to be for natives isn't capitalist.

Miencraft, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Not if you support the government buying up all the arable land and renting it to farmers.

Ever heard of geolibertarianism?

Highway Eight wrote:600% tariffs and refusing to allow people of foreign ancestry to work in jobs that you deem to be for natives isn't capitalist.

Actually it's 700% and I do not support it except on some agricultural products. Also, I have not said that some jobs should be limited to natives (except members of Alþingi). Rather, I just don't want the foreigners in the country in the first place ;)

Highway Eight wrote:600% tariffs and refusing to allow people of foreign ancestry to work in jobs that you deem to be for natives isn't capitalist.
I thought Tariffs were put in place to protect private industry within countries, and help Icelandish companies build up? Don't get me wrong, Tariffs are stupid, but the intent are to help private businesses in the country grow and prosper. It brings competition out, however it doesn't destroy the free market. Whoever doesnt pay the tariffs have to find somewhere else, and whoever does has a chance to knock of Icelandish competition. Tariffs usually get backlash though, as we saw with the American Great Depression

Pure capitalism works temporary. I'm a Laissez-Faire Capitalist, but even i think that going completley capitalist is suicide. Move a little to the left, while staying in the right, and you've got yourself the recipe for success. I would make a comment about Anarchy, but i don't wanna become public enemy numner uno

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Sfr Yugoslav

Acelandinisia wrote:Pure capitalism works temporary. I'm a Laissez-Faire Capitalist, but even i think that going completley capitalist is suicide. Move a little to the left, while staying in the right, and you've got yourself the recipe for success. I would make a comment about Anarchy, but i don't wanna become public enemy numner uno

Anarchy is fekkin gahbage

Pevvania, Acelandinisia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, El Casablanca

The States Of Balloon wrote:

Anarchy is fekkin gahbage

Thank the lord you agree. Everytime i go to a Libertarian community, half are Anarcho-Capitalists, while the other are Libertarian because of weed

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth, Sfr Yugoslav, El Casablanca

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Lol I do not worship Wotan or the Æsir. I'm a Christian. You can't believe every word that those guys say on the Discord :þ

Also, Iceland is number 10 when it comes to both silicon and aluminum production (not per capita). And I may not be a libertarian but I'm most certainly a capitalist

Well, if Iceland has such a thriving industrial base, perhaps it could create menial job opportunities for some of these immigrants once the welfare laws are repealed. But if you bind them to the land like serfs and deny basic freedom of movement, that not only seems inimical to libertarianism but also your stated goal of getting the immigrants out of your country. I don't care what "geolibertarianism" entails, but state ownership of arable land is not libertarian is any traditional or meaningful sense. Neither is the management of foreign people like cattle.

Acelandinisia wrote:Thank the lord you agree. Everytime i go to a Libertarian community, half are Anarcho-Capitalists, while the other are Libertarian because of weed

I don't believe in anarcho-capitalism either and believe that there should be some state regulations on the economy. The difference to be is that libertarianism advocates "minimal state regulations" while anarcho-capitalism, like anarchism proper, believes in "no state at all."

Miencraft

PSA: The Inauguration will take place on Discord tomorrow at noon!

Venomringo wrote:PSA: The Inauguration will take place on Discord tomorrow at noon!

Purge the voter fraud sinners in the holy fire, Gord!

Irvino wrote:Well, if Iceland has such a thriving industrial base, perhaps it could create menial job opportunities for some of these immigrants once the welfare laws are repealed. But if you bind them to the land like serfs and deny basic freedom of movement, that not only seems inimical to libertarianism but also your stated goal of getting the immigrants out of your country. I don't care what "geolibertarianism" entails, but state ownership of arable land is not libertarian is any traditional or meaningful sense. Neither is the management of foreign people like cattle.

I don't believe in anarcho-capitalism either and believe that there should be some state regulations on the economy. The difference to be is that libertarianism advocates "minimal state regulations" while anarcho-capitalism, like anarchism proper, believes in "no state at all."

Yeah well guess what? I'm not a libertarian. And they are foreigners in my country, and are in here on our terms. If they don't like the terms they can get the hell out of the country

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Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Yeah well guess what? I'm not a libertarian. And they are foreigners in my country, and are in here on our terms. If they don't like the terms they can get the hell out of the country

Of course they could. But not if you made them into serfs.

Irvino wrote:Of course they could. But not if you made them into serfs.

Yes. Leave or work

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Yeah well guess what? I'm not a libertarian. And they are foreigners in my country, and are in here on our terms. If they don't like the terms they can get the hell out of the country

You lost me at "I'm not a libertarian"

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Highway Eight wrote:600% tariffs and refusing to allow people of foreign ancestry to work in jobs that you deem to be for natives isn't capitalist.

"Iceland is expensive, so let's make it more expensive!" YAY LOGIC

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Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Yes. Leave or work

But you see, a capitalist system with thriving industry and no welfare laws can do that on its own.

You don't need dictatorships that organize people by hook or by crook into state-owned collective farms.

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When you save up money for your child to use during their adult life but the government takes it all and gives it to stoners and welfare cucks

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Anarcho-capitalism is a great idea that, at least in a modern context, has never been properly tried. When society matures we should look at the dissolution of the state as a viable option. However, right now we have numerous international issues that can only be solved by collective action through the state. If we abolished the state now, the void would be filled by the UN and other groups or even foreign governments like Russia and China. We probably can't get rid of the Fed right now, unfortunately, because then China and England would effectively dictate our interest rates. And if we got rid of all tariffs on our own, where would that leave us with the rest of the world?

The challenge of the 21st Century, from a libertarian point of view, is of how we shrink the state permanently and at the same time convince our the rest of the world to follow suit. Luckily, America is still the sole superpower, so we're in a good position to lead the way.

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Pevvania wrote:Anarcho-capitalism is a great idea that, at least in a modern context, has never been properly tried. When society matures we should look at the dissolution of the state as a viable option. However, right now we have numerous international issues that can only be solved by collective action through the state. If we abolished the state now, the void would be filled by the UN and other groups or even foreign governments like Russia and China. We probably can't get rid of the Fed right now, unfortunately, because then China and England would effectively dictate our interest rates. And if we got rid of all tariffs on our own, where would that leave us with the rest of the world?

The challenge of the 21st Century, from a libertarian point of view, is of how we shrink the state permanently and at the same time convince our the rest of the world to follow suit. Luckily, America is still the sole superpower, so we're in a good position to lead the way.

Ancapism is fekkin gahbage

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