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Good Afternoon everyone

The United Regions wrote:Good Afternoon everyone

Good Afternoon.

What are y'all talking about "Good Afternoon" It's dark, cuz! I don't know where you live, but here it is nighttime, shoo.

Blahbania wrote:Good Afternoon.

I am new to this region I was wondering what goes on here?

The United Regions wrote:I am new to this region I was wondering what goes on here?

Well we are home to a wide variety of people of a wide variety of viewpoints, but we are historically Libertarians. You just missed one of our most exciting elections yet, and we are about to go on a Federal Holiday, so we won't be much for awhile, but all-in-all, we are the best place on earth!

Economic equality would perhaps be theoretically possible to implement, but would never be sustainable. It's only natural that the more ambitious and resourceful rise to the top (although the state often suppresses the talented on the lower end of the income scale). Economic inequality is not an inherently bad thing. I believe that income mobility should be prioritised.

Communism can never work, because it expects every individual to act like a conformist drone. The fact is that different people like to do different things, and will only all act as such a huge, unified body if coerced.

The United Regions wrote:Can I Join The IDA?

IDA?

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Humpheria wrote:IDA?

Interregional Defense Alliance

Can I join the house of representatives?

You will have to wait for Pev. And if he doesn't do it in the next hour you'll have to wait till sat. morning. Our government closes at midnight.

Here's the difference between communist and capitalist anarchism: private ownership of capital (production) goods. The Commies want to expropropriate savings and capital from individual/corporate owners.

The Lone Star wrote:Here's the difference between communist and capitalist anarchism: private ownership of capital (production) goods. The Commies want to expropropriate savings and capital from individual/corporate owners.

Lets not forget that leftist "anarchism" is really just tyranny by the majority.

Lack There Of wrote:Lets not forget that leftist "anarchism" is really just tyranny by the majority.

Yep

WOO, GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, PARTAY.

Alchandria wrote:WOO, GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, PARTAY.

*Turns on disco music*

@Varkadia 'cause reasons! That's why :3

I mean... the region is historically anti-communist... I'd ask you the same question XD

Plus, freedom of speechez. Plus, this is t'internet, and seeing as I know none of you bar one (who, I believe, realizes I'm mostly here to have a laugh), find no moral qualm in being blunt and honest about my views on certain government types :3

Blahbania wrote:*Turns on disco music*

http://drunkronswanson.com/

The Time Alliance wrote:How does Anarchism and Communism lead to each other..WHEN they are on completely different sides of the Political Spectrum...

Ehh... I'm confused on how one leads to the other too, but both advocate no government, so they're not compleeeeetly dissimilar when it comes to a centralized/decentralized scale.

I thought this was interesting: someone who has BR support is the author of the new Condemnation bill against none other than the Riders.

Miencraft wrote:I thought this was interesting: someone who has BR support is the author of the new Condemnation bill against none other than the Riders.

Miencraft wrote:I thought this was interesting: someone who has BR support is the author of the new Condemnation bill against none other than the Riders.

?????????????

Alchandria wrote:WOO, GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, PARTAY.

WOO, KEGGER

Humpheria wrote:?????????????

The Riders have instructions to endorse Cormac A Stark, according to their WFE.

So yeah, that's interesting, seeing as how Cormac A Stark is the author of the new Condemnation proposal.

Oh, that is wierd.

That literally makes no sense at all.

I think the Riders want to be condemned.

Let's give them what they want *raises fists*

"The security council does get that condemning us over and over again isn't going to stop us right? I think they might be a little slow lol"

~A Black Rider

So, they're basically asking for it, declaring that they're gonna keep going.

LET'S KEEP CONDEMNING THEM JUST BECAUSE IT'S FUN.

Let's condemn them so much that no one will want to join unless they really like playing the villain.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Let's condemn them so much that no one will want to join unless they really like playing the villain.

That's what they want. And they aren't bad guys. They usually only attack worthless regions.

Pax Osca wrote:Ehh... I'm confused on how one leads to the other too, but both advocate no government, so they're not compleeeeetly dissimilar when it comes to a centralized/decentralized scale.

Anarchism is a leftist and rightist ideology... It's simply the anti-thesis of government, and advocates for Direct Democracy... Communism advocates for Direct Democracy, also. That left were the first ones to use "Libertarian" and "Anarchism," in conjugation with economic theries, with Proudhon in the 1700's with his idea of Mutualism. Which give birth to modern day Anarchist thought. I don't have to say I'm an 'Anarchist Communist', since they are the same things... I choose to, because everyone thinks I worship Stalin and Totalitarianism, and have to debate it with them.

Pax Osca wrote:@Varkadia 'cause reasons! That's why :3

I mean... the region is historically anti-communist... I'd ask you the same question XD

Plus, freedom of speechez. Plus, this is t'internet, and seeing as I know none of you bar one (who, I believe, realizes I'm mostly here to have a laugh), find no moral qualm in being blunt and honest about my views on certain government types :3

But... You know what they say: It's all sh*ts and giggles, until someone giggles and sh*ts. :D

And if y'all are looking for "Mob Rule" choose Ochlocracy.

The Time Alliance wrote:That's what they want. And they aren't bad guys. They usually only attack worthless regions.

They want only to get attention and fame. They want everyone to know the Black Riders, even if everyone hates them. They pose no serious threat, if we just stop giving them attention, they will fade away. The government has no official comment on the Black Riders at this time.

Humpheria wrote:They want only to get attention and fame. They want everyone to know the Black Riders, even if everyone hates them. They pose no serious threat, if we just stop giving them attention, they will fade away. The government has no official comment on the Black Riders at this time.

Good idea. Do not pay attention to Imperialists.

For the fun of it we should try to have more diverse parties. All of them are centrist except for the Fascist party and the Libertarian Socialist party.

Miencraft wrote:The Riders have instructions to endorse Cormac A Stark, according to their WFE.

So yeah, that's interesting, seeing as how Cormac A Stark is the author of the new Condemnation proposal.

It's a badge of honour as far as they're concerned... what would really insult them is a commendation.

Vardakia wrote:But... You know what they say: It's all sh*ts and giggles, until someone giggles and sh*ts. :D

I intend to be there when it happens :3 To laugh at the poor sod that shat themselves :P

Pax Osca wrote:I intend to be there when it happens :3 To laugh at the poor sod that shat themselves :P

YOU SAW NOTHING

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:YOU SAW NOTHING

N'aww don't worry, I won't tell a soul :3

Merry early Christmas from Capitalistland!

Three and a half hours for the East coast.

This should be fun.

Alchandria wrote:Happy Festivus.

I shall begin with the listing of grievances.

Alchandria, you can be a real dick sometimes.

You commies/socialists are economically illiterate.

an objectivist party doesn't make sense.

An anarchist party doesn't make sense.

You're all a bunch of libtards.

Next we shall begin with feats of strength.

Also the human fund is taking donations, people helping people...

Lack There Of wrote:I shall begin with the listing of grievances.

Alchandria, you can be a real dick sometimes.

I try.

I know the government is closed, but can I still apply to join the house and a political party?

Freedomrider wrote:I know the government is closed, but can I still apply to join the house and a political party?

Same here.

Yes, TG me and I will relay them to the President so that he can add them at his earliest convenience.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy Yuletide, you bunch of libtards

So I got me a second monitor.

Boy, this is fun.

Happy holidays, libtards! :D

A political party is only an organized group of people who believe in the same belief. Also, just because we believe in the non market economy, we're not 'economics illiterate.'

Vardakia wrote:Happy holidays, libtards! :D

A political party is only an organized group of people who believe in the same belief. Also, just because we believe in the non market economy, we're not 'economics illiterate.'

I was just in the festivus mood. Nothing directed against you personally. Personally I'm dyslexic, but that mainly deals with reading, not economics.

I kid, I kid. Merry Christmas to all

Believing in a non-market economy is a vast underestimation of the complexity and wonder of an economy, I think, but that's a discussion for a non-holiday time.

A political party is indeed a group dedicated to a political ideal. I'm surprised we don't have MORE anarchist parties.

I politely disagree, that is more of an interest group. A political party creates a platform for public policy action and host candidates to follow that platform.

Merry Christmas to all the great nations of Libertatem!

Nations! Y U NO Christmas!?! No politics today sirs! You damn libtards!

Come, I have chocolate for all of you.

If you don't eat chocolate, that's just too bad.

Here's some chocolate-free-chocolate instead. Somehow, it actually exists. Point is, you get some sweets anyways.

News flash, Lack: Anarchists want public policy action too. Sure, they can't enforce anarchism by simply being a political party, but like all opponents of big government they want to participate in it such that it can't grow any larger.

I'll take regular chocolate, thanks. :)

Politics and economic discussion is for everyday.

You couldn't of said it better, idealism.

@lack there of

Are you an Anarcho-Capitalist?

Can we just stop bashing and insulting each other for one day? Vardaki, we get you are a communist, good for you! But can you please just calm down, jeez let everyone get a day's rest from your poking and prodding at their personal beliefs.

I'm not saying anarchists don't want public policy action, I'm saying its an oxymoron for a group of "anarchists" to persue a public policy agenda, which of course is enforced by force.

@vardakia

In the RW I do align with anarcho-capitalist philosophy, but for the sake of this game and a regional government I chair the LP.

Also, I am interested in getting chocolate free chocolate

Humpheria wrote:Can we just stop bashing and insulting each other for one day? Vardaki, we get you are a communist, good for you! But can you please just calm down, jeez let everyone get a day's rest from your poking and prodding at their personal beliefs.

I am not "proding" nor pokeing. I am only asking if he is an Anarcho-Capitalist.

How's everyones Christmas been?

Pretty good for me. Got much more than expected. My haul includes a new air rifle, signed UNC lacrosse helmet, ,new lacrosse gloves, new lacrosse stick, Detroit Red Wings apparel, and a crapload of chocolate.

You live in Michigan? No way, me too! Up north though. Not U.P. but northern.

I actually live in North Carolina, but most of my family is in Michigan, thus I like Michigan teams.

Mallaska wrote:Pretty good for me. Got much more than expected. My haul includes a new air rifle, signed UNC lacrosse helmet, ,new lacrosse gloves, new lacrosse stick, Detroit Red Wings apparel, and a crapload of chocolate.

Is that the real chocolate, or the chocolate free chocolate?

Lack There Of wrote:Is that the real chocolate, or the chocolate free chocolate?

Gotta go real.

Mallaska wrote:I actually live in North Carolina, but most of my family is in Michigan, thus I like Michigan teams.

Oh. Have you been here lately? We have around 3 feet of snow.

Vardakia wrote:Oh. Have you been here lately? We have around 3 feet of snow.

Haven't been to MI since 2009. Tried to go this year, but the storms kept me from going. I instead took a last-minute trip to my hometown of Virginia Beach to see some friends.

Mallaska wrote:Haven't been to MI since 2009. Tried to go this year, but the storms kept me from going. I instead took a last-minute trip to my hometown of Virginia Beach to see some friends.

You don't wanna come here! :D

Way to much snow for this time of year. What's Virginia like?

Vardakia wrote:You don't wanna come here! :D

Way to much snow for this time of year. What's Virginia like?

Virginia was pretty good. Got rainy, but nothing compared to Michigan.

Lack There Of wrote:Is that the real chocolate, or the chocolate free chocolate?

Chocolate-Free-Chocolate (C) 1984 Miencraftic Chocolate Industries, Inc., all rights reserved

Hey folks hope yall been missing me lol... Merry Christmas!

Sorry guys about my inactivity. I've been with my family abroad, so I'm far from my computer and have much less access to NationStates. I'll be even less active in the coming days. I realise I have many TGs to answer and many requests to fulfill, which I'll personally attend to when I return on January 2nd. In the meantime, please direct your questions to The Lone Star or Humpheria.

In my Issue it says that I was chosen to hold Libertatem's Olympics but.... I dismissed the issue... I figured I wouldn't decide to raise taxes on my citizens so substantially unless they have a popular vote in support of the idea. I didn't say no but I didn't say yes... What is your Countries best Olympic sport?

The United States Of Zion wrote:In my Issue it says that I was chosen to hold Libertatem's Olympics but.... I dismissed the issue... I figured I wouldn't decide to raise taxes on my citizens so substantially unless they have a popular vote in support of the idea. I didn't say no but I didn't say yes... What is your Countries best Olympic sport?

Triathlons.

How does one join The House of Representatives?

Vardakia wrote:How does one join The House of Representatives?

This is a great question in my opinion.

TG The Chairman of the board, currently Humpheria

The Time Alliance wrote:This is a great question in my opinion.

How?

Lack There Of wrote:TG The Chairman of the board, currently Humpheria

Thank you very much, comrade.

Libertatem's government needs more diversity. So I want to join The House of Representatives to add diversity. This will also make Libertatem look more Democratic.

Vardakia wrote:Libertatem's government needs more diversity. So I want to join The House of Representatives to add diversity. This will also make Libertatem look more Democratic.

Same here. I have read the political parties and only one of them sounds like it would fit me...

(Dang the fact there is no founder.)

Remember, the Anti-Corporatist Party is still recruiting!

Have we mentioned that we really, really hate fascism?

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Remember, the Anti-Corporatist Party is still recruiting!

Have we mentioned that we really, really hate fascism?

The Libertarian Socialist party is also strongly against Fascism, National Socialism, and The Fascist Party of Libertatem.

The Time Alliance wrote:Same here. I have read the political parties and only one of them sounds like it would fit me...

(Dang the fact there is no founder.)

What party would that be?

Vardakia wrote:The Libertarian Socialist party is also strongly against Fascism, National Socialism, and The Fascist Party of Libertatem.

What party would that be?

The DRP

What does the Democratic-Republican Party support?

Vardakia wrote:What does the Democratic-Republican Party support?

Well It is a Centrist based party which believes that there can be a balance between Socialism and Capitalism.

The Time Alliance wrote:Well It is a Centrist based party which believes that there can be a balance between Socialism and Capitalism.

That's something

The Time Alliance wrote:Well It is a Centrist based party which believes that there can be a balance between Socialism and Capitalism.

Fascism, economically, is extremly hard to explain and understand, but I Fascists usually say it's a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. Is Democratic-Republicanism the same?

Vardakia wrote:Fascism, economically, is extremly hard to explain and understand, but I Fascists usually say it's a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. Is Democratic-Republicanism the same?

Yes. In the sense It believes in Socialism and Capitalism. I believe the way it is worded it also believes in a mix of Government regulation and Freedom.

Vardakia wrote:Fascism, economically, is extremly hard to explain and understand, but I Fascists usually say it's a mix of Socialism and Capitalism. Is Democratic-Republicanism the same?

It's rather impossible to nail down a "fascist" economic system. Historically it just involves heavy regulation and subsidies that result in the dominance of state favored companies.

Lack There Of wrote:It's rather impossible to nail down a "fascist" economic system. Historically it just involves heavy regulation and subsidies that result in the dominance of state favored companies.

Yet it is classified on the right side of the Economic compass....

The Time Alliance wrote:Yet it is classified on the right side of the Economic compass....

Something I've never truly grasped.

The far left believes in a non-market society, yet at the same time allowing the individual to abstain/rid belongings and goods however they like. That's probably why Fascism is placed on the far right, and by going off the zConservative-Liberal scale we can see fascism is on the far end of the scale. It's the same in Horseshoe theory also.

The fascist economic system is usually mercantilism or one of its derivations. It is a centrist economic system, not a right wing one, because it believes in property rights manufactured by the State. Ask any fascist, they don't believe in laissez faire for two reasons: it's hard to control people in a free market and their are inherent flaws in the market system. If the "left" is total economic collectivization and the "right" is individual sovereignty in a free market, fascism limits the State (the nation collective) to areas in which it is needed. The reason why fascism (as an economic system) is > and = socialism is because it allows government absolute arbitrary power in terms of property rights, but it does the job of running an economy better because it recognizes the need for specialization/talent/capitalization in individuals which inevitably leads to inequality.

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