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Region: Libertatem

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Funkytopia wrote:I can get behind this!

Yeah, me too!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Speaking of flags, I'd like to "leak" the second proposal to change Libertatem's flag. This one I hope speaks more to tradition. It's quite simplistic and memorable.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20ayo1u&s=8#.VKxSAGTF-N8

My region, Eleutheria, has what the flag would look like if it were put up in the region.

Now, see, that's something good.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Me.

Good! I think everyone should go to the gym. It's so mentally and physically rewarding.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Speaking of flags, I'd like to "leak" the second proposal to change Libertatem's flag. This one I hope speaks more to tradition. It's quite simplistic and memorable.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20ayo1u&s=8#.VKxSAGTF-N8

My region, Eleutheria, has what the flag would look like if it were put up in the region.

I don't like it. The colours look bland and go badly together, the yellow shape looks far too angular and the whole thing looks rather uninspired.

If we change the flag, which I don't think is necessary, I think we should be going for something like Liberosia's flag.

Miencraft wrote:We're figuring out recruitment.

If you decide to become a citizen, you can help out; all you'd have to do is get the NS++ plugin and be logged in a decent amount of time every day.

What all does NS++ add? Would I have to do anything other than log in to recruit?

Miencraft wrote:I'm on the more generic "flags with dark blue backdrops" team.

Fun fact: The red, white, and blue on my flag are the official red, white, and blue for the flag of the US. Generally, the official colors aren't seen since they're not easy to mass-produce.

Still a good team to be on. Which "official" red, white, and blue are you using? The real official colors, the brightened official colors, the London embassy official colors, or the Stockholm embassy official colors? :P

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Speaking of flags, I'd like to "leak" the second proposal to change Libertatem's flag. This one I hope speaks more to tradition. It's quite simplistic and memorable.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20ayo1u&s=8#.VKxSAGTF-N8

My region, Eleutheria, has what the flag would look like if it were put up in the region.

Very nice! Simple, not overstated... It looks like you've kept the blue from the current flag, which is a really nice touch.

Pevvania wrote:I don't like it. The colours look bland and go badly together, the yellow shape looks far too angular and the whole thing looks rather uninspired.

If we change the flag, which I don't think is necessary, I think we should be going for something like Liberosia's flag.

Hey now, blue and yellow complement each other very well thank you very much.

Liberosia's flag isn't bad, but it... well, it doesn't look very much like a flag. It's very busy with lots of drop shadows and effects. Don't get me wrong, it's cool, but I like designs that cut through the excess and get right to the point.

Shadows, blurs, etc. do not exist on flags irl. If you really want, I can make a custom ripple like some regions have, but I generally prefer it plain.

Also, blue and yellow go bad together? Tell that to Sweden, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and me.

Everyone else: thanks

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Shadows, blurs, etc. do not exist on flags irl. If you really want, I can make a custom ripple like some regions have, but I generally prefer it plain.

Also, blue and yellow go bad together? Tell that to Sweden, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and me.

Everyone else: thanks

Somebody likes an ego-stroke huh?

Humpheria wrote:Somebody likes an ego-stroke huh?

What? Naah

A flag change referendum can be conducted publicly, but an official flag change must be accomplished like a constitutional amendment.

Humpheria wrote:A flag change referendum can be conducted publicly, but an official flag change must be accomplished like a constitutional amendment.

Based on what? At no point during any previous debates was this said. I find no reference to a flag in Libertatem's Constitution or any amendment.

I too have a yellow and blue flag. But on Minerva's proposal, it just doesn't look good.

Please don't change the flag. It is an idea that I've entertained, but I can never support it when all these bad flag proposals get so much attention. Minerva's come up with much better works of art than his new flag proposals.

Funkytopia wrote:Based on what? At no point during any previous debates was this said. I find no reference to a flag in Libertatem's Constitution or any amendment.

It is a fundamental concrete regional trademark that was established in the constitutional era. It is a form of the government and it shouldn't be as easy as hey some people like this, we're gonna do it.

It's obvious that a vote is going to happen, and you'll need to know everything so that you can be properly prepared and campaign thusly. As Attorney General, there is no precedence for such a thing and the closest thing in magnitude to this is a constitutional amendment.

Pevvania wrote:I too have a yellow and blue flag. But on Minerva's proposal, it just doesn't look good.

Please don't change the flag. It is an idea that I've entertained, but I can never support it when all these bad flag proposals get so much attention. Minerva's come up with much better works of art than his new flag proposals.

^

Humpheria wrote:It is a fundamental concrete regional trademark that was established in the constitutional era. It is a form of the government and it shouldn't be as easy as hey some people like this, we're gonna do it.

It's obvious that a vote is going to happen, and you'll need to know everything so that you can be properly prepared and campaign thusly. As Attorney General, there is no precedence for such a thing and the closest thing in magnitude to this is a constitutional amendment.

The constitution is crap, useless, and breeds irrational conservatism.

But only people here want to fap to a prohibition sign generally used by large governments.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The constitution is crap, useless, and breeds irrational conservatism.

But only people here want to fap to a prohibition sign generally used by large governments.

*looks around*A what?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The constitution is crap, useless, and breeds irrational conservatism.

But only people here want to fap to a prohibition sign generally used by large governments.

But, anyway, cool down. It is a small pattern of color that no one looks at in the corner of a web page.

Humpheria wrote:But, anyway, cool down. It is a small pattern of color that no one looks at in the corner of a web page.

It has been looked at enough to stop larger regions from making embassies with us (Capitalist Paradise).

Rather, I shall expand my original point: the whole constitution needs to be scrapped or/and recreated to reflect it's current society and time.

Also, bills or articles, like their creators, should have a lifetime before they "expire" and become invalid. This would encourage laws to be revisited every so often. (Thank you Laissez Faireholm for this idea).

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Funkytopia wrote:I'm sorry, Humph... I've tried to play nice, but this reeks of moving the goalposts at the very moment when flag reform seems likely to pass.

This region is governed democratically, the flag is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, and there is absolutely no precedence in RMB proceedings or previous AG rulings to support this sort of wild judicial activism.

EXACTLY! There is no precedence. No precedence on anything involving this. This is not a law about Regional Holidays. This is not your everyday piece of legislation. The only thing even close to the proportion of a flag, as you think it is important enough to tear the region apart, is a constitutional amendment.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:It has been looked at enough to stop larger regions from making embassies with us (Capitalist Paradise).

Rather, I shall expand my original point: the whole constitution needs to be scrapped or/and recreated to reflect it's current society and time.

Also, bills or articles, like their creators, should have a lifetime before they "expire" and become invalid. This would encourage laws to be revisited every so often. (Thank you Laissez Faireholm for this idea).

Oh great, a whole Cabinet of people that wants to distort this region to please foreign powers. Yay.

You are more than welcome to try to overthrow the Constitution, but under Oath, I am required to defend it. I will remind you that you are as well.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=9241585

For those of you that think that overthrowing the government would work.

*cough* http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=258248 *cough*

Humpheria wrote:EXACTLY! There is no precedence. No precedence on anything involving this. This is not a law about Regional Holidays. This is not your everyday piece of legislation. The only thing even close to the proportion of a flag, as you think it is important enough to tear the region apart, is a constitutional amendment.

Oh great, a whole Cabinet of people that wants to distort this region to please foreign powers. Yay.

You are more than welcome to try to overthrow the Constitution, but under Oath, I am required to defend it. I will remind you that you are as well.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=9241585

If there is no precedence, then it should be apt to be changed from a simple democratic majority vote. It doesn't require anything but that, but only you wish to make a mountain out of a molehill.

If that is the case, then I withdraw from the military manager position for the time being until you revisit the constitution.

Humpheria wrote:For those of you that think that overthrowing the government would work.

*cough* http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=258248 *cough*

"-Discarded"

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Also I withdraw my membership from the RLP for the time being.

I don't even like Reagan that much.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:If there is no precedence, then it should be apt to be changed from a simple democratic majority vote. It doesn't require anything but that, but only you wish to make a mountain out of a molehill.

If that is the case, then I withdraw from the military manager position for the time being until you revisit the constitution.

Why are you waiting on me? I'm content where I am and will not change my position. But, you don't need me to be on your side. I am sworn to defend the Constitution, if you redo the Constitution, the entire government is defunct and replaced, I lose my job and my opinion is moot.

Your employment is up to you, but overreacting and exploding is no way to victory.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"-Discarded"

Yeah. That's the point. I didn't succeed. I'm pointing out that you likely won't either.

Funkytopia wrote:Well, if you feel that the current government and all ACOP supporters are in the pocket of "foreign powers," perhaps you should resign from said government.

Then who would stop it?

Sheesh, one of you resigning, and another one ordering me to resign. Tell me again how the Attorney General serves at the leisure of the State Department?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Also I withdraw my membership from the RLP for the time being.

I don't even like Reagan that much.

I thought you had already done that?

Oh well, I hope you come back when you figure out the plan.

Humpheria wrote:Why are you waiting on me? I'm content where I am and will not change my position. But, you don't need me to be on your side. I am sworn to defend the Constitution, if you redo the Constitution, the entire government is defunct and replaced, I lose my job and my opinion is moot.

Your employment is up to you, but overreacting and exploding is no way to victory.

Yeah. That's the point. I didn't succeed. I'm pointing out that you likely won't either.

Then perhaps it is time we finally transferred to pure voluntaryism instead of a corrupt "minarchist" state. Government? Who needs it?

Adieu.

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Funkytopia wrote:You serve at the pleasure of the President, one of the people you accuse of "distorting this region to please foreign powers."

I would also point out:

"A vote of no confidence in an appointed Board member or Manager may be undertaken via the House of Representatives. This shall be the power of impeachment."

Libertatem's Constitution, Article I, Subsection II

A few things.

1. CI knows my view on foreign influence, you're not hurting me any.

2. I don't see why you quoted the Article of Impeachment to respond to me saying that if we got a new Constitution, my opinion wouldn't matter....

3. Anyone is welcome to try to impeach a government official, we are a Republic.

4. While I don't appreciate the threat, I would like to point out that creating feuds in the region and putting the President in a situation of one party leaving his Cabinet or another completely destroys his bipartisanship tenet. I thought we were all on the same page.

Now, I think we all need to calm down. Everyone is overreacting here, Cabinet members, I have voiced my concerns.

This is quickly plummeting from policy debate to a regional civil war that shows weakness to everyone that looks here. If you are so concerned about what people think about us, maybe you should be less concerned about a flag and more worried about how regional business is conducted.

So, Manager Funkytopia has made a threat. Either the President fires me, or he quits. There is no one in this region besides the President that is as qualified as Manager Funky to be a diplomat. Anyone can read the Constitution, for however longer it is there. As such, I am giving the President until tomorrow at 8AM EST to find a new Attorney General. There are some on the Cabinet that will not rest until all RLP members are off the Cabinet. Our Chief Diplomat threatened to condemn this region's foreign standing just because I said that I would vote against a new flag.

Congratulations, Manager Funkytopia. You've done more damage to this region than the Commies. Maybe you can help the President fill the TWO Cabinet positions that have been emptied as a direct result of your actions.

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I will return to my duties as military manager, but I still resign from the RLP. Instead I am thinking of creating my own party.

*cough*noneofthiswouldhavehappenedifiwontheelection*cough*

Bad time? Bad time.

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1. Don't appreciate that I resigned. I didn't do it for you. I did not do it to satisfy your little temper tantrum. I did it to keep you from royally screwing this region like you planned to because big bad Humpheria was a meanie head.

2. Don't call me a nickname. My friend's do that.

3. I'm glad that you are so pleased to get your way. An Attorney General later, maybe now you can manipulate the President to pushing through domestic "reforms". I mean, who cares about finding allies are making trips. As long as we can change that flag! "Oh, we have a dissenting person? Mr. President: you have to choose between the two best people for their respective jobs or I'm leaving you high and dry." That flag must have been really important for you.

You will be a really great politician. Whining until you get your way to get rid of your enemies. No party politics here.

On a related note, I have recommended to the President that he appoint Ankha to the position of Attorney General. He, unlike some people, is not interested in his own agenda and has experience in the Department. He has resigned from regional politics, which makes him a great man for the job.

Miencraft wrote:*cough*noneofthiswouldhavehappenedifiwontheelection*cough*

Bad time? Bad time.

Ask Funkytopia if it is a bad time. He seems to be the ones making decisions for everyone now. He'll surely know.

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[nation=short]Alderney and Liberty City[/nation], please delete the above message. The government is aware of it and taking appropriate action.

Funkytopia wrote:please delete the above message.

Do you really think that carries any weight at all?

Funkytopia wrote:[nation=short]Alderney and Liberty City[/nation], please delete the above message. The government is aware of it and taking appropriate action.

Didn't know you were aware of it yet. My apologies.

Alderney And Liberty City wrote:Didn't know you were aware of it yet. My apologies.

No prob... It's just sensitive info at the moment.

Funkytopia wrote:No prob... It's just sensitive info at the moment.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Not really.

Yeah, everyone can see it. It's a public region.

Humpheria wrote:Yeah, everyone can see it. It's a public region.

It's probably already known. Besides - we are busy with something else. Right guys?

It's good to be back home.

Shermaniya Ii wrote:It's good to be back home.

Welcome back.

Miencraft wrote:Welcome back.

Thanks

Shermaniya Ii wrote:It's good to be back home.

Your ban got lifted?!?! That's great!

Humpheria wrote:Your ban got lifted?!?! That's great!

Shermaniya [B]II[/B]

No I think he just got deleted.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Shermaniya [B]II[/B]

No I think he just got deleted.

This

That's what I meant. When you get deleted, most of your puppets get deleted on sight.

Humpheria wrote:That's what I meant. When you get deleted, most of your puppets get deleted on sight.

Shermaniya, Transnitia, Uspekh, Bozdugan, Liberty State, Magharib and a couple others.

Humpheria wrote:That's what I meant. When you get deleted, most of your puppets get deleted on sight.

Not necessarily.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Not necessarily.

At least I thought, but I'm not an expert.

Hey Libertatem! This is the Red & Black, regional news service of your good friends in [region=The Internationale]. We're a weekly news service published every Sunday.

I'm just here to bring your attention to our special edition: Libertatem government splinters over region's flag; Attorney General resigns!

Plus, EXCLUSIVE comments given only to the R&B by Libertatem's Manager for Military Affairs!

Read it here, now! http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=350602

The Red And Black wrote:Hey Libertatem!

Whoops, already found an error in line one of your propaganda.

Not good.

The Red And Black wrote:published every Sunday.

So you couldn't have waited five days? This was so important for you to spread around immediately as evidence of how we're falling apart?

And I'll rip apart every single error in there soon enough.

The Red And Black wrote:Hey Libertatem! This is the Red & Black, regional news service of your good friends in [region=The Internationale]. We're a weekly news service published every Sunday.

I'm just here to bring your attention to our special edition: Libertatem government splinters over region's flag; Attorney General resigns!

Plus, EXCLUSIVE comments given only to the R&B by Libertatem's Manager for Military Affairs!

Read it here, now! http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=350602

A sickle and hammer can depict a million things. It can even represent wheat farming and production of Boeing aircraft in the United States. It doesn't necessarily represent STATE SOCIALISM (Not Communism).

Miencraft wrote:So you couldn't have waited five days? This was so important for you to spread around immediately as evidence of how we're falling apart?

And I'll rip apart every single error in there soon enough.

Because Communists have never had an internal feud before. *cough*UCR*cough* *cough*DK*cough*

Also

The Gadsden snake is first and foremost a right-libertarian and voluntaryist symbol. For the short while when the Tea Party was exclusively libertarian (e.g. before it became riddled with conservative fundies) it used it, but it was appropriated by the religious right and made a mockery of itself.

I want to appropriate it back, personally. The snake has always been a perfect symbol for Libertatem, imo. Do not tread on me, and Time's Up.

Shermaniya Ii wrote:A sickle and hammer can depict a million things. It can even represent wheat farming and production of Boeing aircraft in the United States. It doesn't necessarily represent STATE SOCIALISM (Not Communism).

Individually, yes, they can represent anything.

Together in that position, they represent Bolshevism.

Humpheria wrote:Because Communists have never had an internal feud before. *cough*UCR*cough* *cough*DK*cough*

I slightly resent that.

Humpheria wrote:Because Communists have never had an internal feud before. *cough*UCR*cough* *cough*DK*cough*

The UCR always had problems starting after the first Zombie mini-game back in 2013.

How do i get my population to increase and how do issues go into effect?

Shermaniya Ii wrote:The UCR always had problems starting after the first Zombie mini-game back in 2013.

Way before that my dear friend

Younsta wrote:How do i get my population to increase and how do issues go into effect?

Both of these happen automatically.

Population increases on its own over time, and issues go into effect at the next update (which happens every twelve hours at about noon and midnight EST) after you actually decide on them.

Younsta wrote:How do i get my population to increase and how do issues go into effect?

Hello strangely suspicious puppet! You can't get your population to increase per se, you just have to wait and it'll increase each update. Issues merely change things about your classification and other stats.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Hello strangely suspicious puppet!

Just have to call everyone suspicious, don't you?

Ankha wrote:I slightly resent that.

We still love you.

Humpheria wrote:We still love you.

Aww thanks Humpy

Miencraft wrote:Just have to call everyone suspicious, don't you?

Look at it's history.

I hope everyone on here as conservative views. Lmao

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Look at it's history.

its*

It was a joke anyways. You can tell because I used italics.

Younsta wrote:I hope everyone on here as conservative views. Lmao

We've got a communist or two floating around, bunch of libertarians, etc.

Lord help those two lmao

Younsta wrote:Lord help those two lmao

Probably Abdul... Pull the whole "how to I play NS" crap when he came here as Jambion (?). Didn't accomplish anything that time either...

Funkytopia wrote:Probably Abdul... Pull the whole "how to I play NS" crap when he came here as Jambion (?). Didn't accomplish anything that time either...

I was notorious for doing that in UCR during the occupation.

Shermaniya Ii wrote:I was notorious for doing that in UCR during the occupation.

NO KIDDING

Ankha wrote:NO KIDDING

Haha Bozdugan.

Actually I just found out about this game today. One of my friends know I love politics so they recommended this game.

Shermaniya Ii wrote:Haha Bozdugan.

Ya. You're hitting a nerve

Manager Funkytopia and I have reconciled our differences. He has agreed to retract his request, and I have rescinded my resignation. Still, it was tendered and the result is up to the President. He may accept my rescission or deny it. However, if I am retained, I have agreed to leave the nature of a flag referendum up to the President.

I would like to personally apologize to the region for my temper and curtness and to Manager Funkytopia for being less than pleasant.

CI's going to be in for a good time when he gets on. 50+ telegrams, drama, foreign issues. Oh the life of a President.

So, I learned a lot about Classical Liberalism today. It was a good day.

Humpheria wrote:CI's going to be in for a good time when he gets on. 50+ telegrams, drama, foreign issues. Oh the life of a President.

He can deal.

Humpheria wrote:So, I learned a lot about Classical Liberalism today. It was a good day.

Cool

I have a confession. I just found out about the glorious Adam Smith.

Thanks, Humph. I'm glad we figured out a solution that won't mean losing a talented and dedicated AG.

I have very strong convictions regarding the changes Libertatem needs and flag reform is symbolic of that struggle. My passion got in the way and I certainly could have handled the whole situation, and myself, far better than I did. One of the first things that I want to do is go through and retract some of my comments that crossed the line, since I don't want my anger towards you to be part of posterity.

Humpheria wrote:I have a confession. I just found out about the glorious Adam Smith.

Oh fun. Keep reading...

Miencraft wrote:So you couldn't have waited five days? This was so important for you to spread around immediately as evidence of how we're falling apart?

Given that we can now claim responsibility for Humpheria rescinding his resignation as a desperate attempt to save face over this ridiculous situation being publicized and played up by your enemy? Yes, absolutely.

Miencraft wrote:And I'll rip apart every single error in there soon enough.

Can't wait.

The Red And Black wrote:Given that we can now claim responsibility for Humpheria rescinding his resignation as a desperate attempt to save face over this ridiculous situation being publicized and played up by your enemy? Yes, absolutely.

Can't wait.

Hahaha Yeah. Nah.

Your article was released with only public information. We've been talking one on one for quite a while. I only found your article to be opportunistic and a little premature. I resign pretty much everything, if you did your research like a real reporter, you would know that. This was nothing special.

Your predilection to resigning from things doesn't make this entire situation any less of a farce worth shining a light on.

Does anybody know what the black riders are?

Younsta wrote:Does anybody know what the black riders are?

Basically the most infamous raiding group in the game.

Raiding is in the FAQ.

Don't feed the trolls, people.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Don't feed the trolls, people.

I'm not 100% convinced Younsta is a spy. Let's give him a chance.

Watching the House today. Pelosi had some time to talk and she just completely hijacked it. Used Boehner's inauguration as a chance to promote one of her pieces of legislation.

Humpheria wrote:Watching the House today. Pelosi had some time to talk and she just completely hijacked it. Used Boehner's inauguration as a chance to promote one of her pieces of legislation.

I have concluded she is a crack addict, because there a logical person would not say half of the things that come out of her mouth.

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