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Narland wrote:Until you brought him up, I did not know who he is. I do not even know what he considers a "rainbow Confederate" to be. The Confederacy is what it is -- a relic of the past for whom those born in the South share its heritage -- the good, the bad and the ugly. "Argle Bargle" neologisms that spring out of nowhere with the political intent of a sledgehammer instead of sound deliberation from its own historicity are usually a signs of chicanery. If you like I can read up on it and get back to you.

It's basically Hill's term for modern apologists of the CSA who he feels do the historical legacy of the South a disservice by interpreting it specifically with a mind for contemporary humanistic sensibilities. For example, he considers the Sons of the Confederate Veterans an organization of "rainbow Confederates" for doing things like pointing out that Jefferson Davis's wife adopted some black kid to protect him from being beaten by his mother, as he believes that it's not conducive to the goals of Dixie nationalism.

Narland

I miss normal, liberal responses to things. "Yeah, we need to secure the embassy, but we also need oversight by congress to make sure this doesn't turn into a prolonged deployment." Instead, the media is doing it's best to take the side of the damn terrorists.

Stiltusgibberum

We’re deploying more troops to Iraq and Trump

is blaming Iran? All the sudden both my legs are broken and my eyesight has gotten tremendously worse...

Rateria, Venomringo

Jadentopian Order wrote:We’re deploying more troops to Iraq and Trump

is blaming Iran? All the sudden both my legs are broken and my eyesight has gotten tremendously worse...

Blame Israel

Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:Blame Israel

*something in the Middle East happens*: blame israel

Venomringo wrote:*something in the Middle East happens*: blame israel

It's really quite fair to blame Israel and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia for virtually everything that "happens" in the Middle East. They perpetuate this chaos at the expense of other countries to enhance their international sphere of influence and obtain geostrategic advantage, and of course America's leadership is always for sale. The Republican Party's sole reason to exist is to do the bidding of the Ashkenazi paymasters more or less.

Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:It's really quite fair to blame Israel and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia for virtually everything that "happens" in the Middle East. They perpetuate this chaos at the expense of other countries to enhance their international sphere of influence and obtain geostrategic advantage, and of course America's leadership is always for sale. The Republican Party's sole reason to exist is to do the bidding of the Ashkenazi paymasters more or less.

ok

Rateria, Venomringo

Miencraft wrote:ok

I'm glad you agree. I'm just sad for you that you're both an Ashkenazi and an American. Your "culture" is just mammonistic decadence, and with America being an artificial nation, there really is no superior tradition for you to assimilate into.

Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:I'm glad you agree. I'm just sad for you that you're both an Ashkenazi and an American. Your "culture" is just mammonistic decadence, and with America being an artificial nation, there really is no superior tradition for you to assimilate into.

ok

The New United States, Rateria, Venomringo

Tupolite wrote:I'm glad you agree. I'm just sad for you that you're both an Ashkenazi and an American. Your "culture" is just mammonistic decadence, and with America being an artificial nation, there really is no superior tradition for you to assimilate into.

Ok, antisemite

Venomringo wrote:Ok, antisemite

I'm not afraid of pejoratives, Marxist

Miencraft wrote:ok

My advice is to abandon the materialistic conception of life.

Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:I'm not afraid of pejoratives, Marxist

My advice is to abandon the materialistic conception of life.

Lol Marxist isn’t a pejorative

Venomringo wrote:Lol Marxist isn’t a pejorative

At very least it is your chosen self-description. To me, the accusation of anti-Semitism is meaningless because of the lack of nuance of meaning contained therein. There are many critics of the Jews, but the substance and nature of the criticism often varies.

Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:My advice is to abandon the materialistic conception of life.

ok

Tupolite wrote:At very least it is your chosen self-description. To me, the accusation of anti-Semitism is meaningless because of the lack of nuance of meaning contained therein. There are many critics of the Jews, but the substance and nature of the criticism often varies.

Tupolite wrote:Your "culture" is just mammonistic decadence, and with America being an artificial nation, there really is no superior tradition for you to assimilate into.

Yeah, this whole thing, Judge

Miencraft wrote:ok

Whether Jewry can presently be considered a true nation, if it hopes to avoid the animus often directed at it then the substantial majority of Jews need to accept that mastery of high finance is no substitute for a dignified communal ethic and openly reject the likes of Soros and the Rothschilds.

Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:Whether Jewry can presently be considered a true nation, if it hopes to avoid the animus often directed at it then the substantial majority of Jews need to accept that mastery of high finance is no substitute for a dignified communal ethic and openly reject the likes of Soros and the Rothschilds.

poopy fascist

Miencraft, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Venomringo wrote:Yeah, this whole thing, Judge

Well, if I'm an anti-Semite, I would argue my anti-Semitism is of a different sort than Lib's, for example

I don't hate all Jews, for sure. Just the rich liberal cosmopolitan ones that have formed the stereotype for Jews as a whole. In the past I've denounced the condemnation of all Jews for the evils of a troublesome and prominent sub-demographic. I would still say that bourgeois cosmopolitanism is the only thing the Jews, at least Ashkenazim, have in lieu of an actual culture.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The Rothschilds are not even all that important or wealthy, idiots just make a big deal about them because "muh Jews," much the same with Soros. Soros is a fairly small player and not at all evil (unless not being a fascist is evil, in which case evil is good) but again "muh Jews".

Go piss on an electric fence, you and your anti-semitic retardation will get much more of a positive response from it than from 'Tatemites.

Soros and the Rothschild family are consummate international financial wreckers.

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Tupolite wrote:Soros and the Rothschild family are consummate international financial wreckers.

Wah wah sounds like someone is upset they can’t be antisemitic

Venomringo wrote:Wah wah sounds like someone is upset they can’t be antisemitic

I can't? I thought I could do or say anything here within the embarrassingly loose constraints of Libertatem's night-watchman state.

I even got away with espionage and subversion under the previous government and no punishment

Tupolite wrote:I can't? I thought I could do or say anything here within the embarrassingly loose constraints of Libertatem's night-watchman state.

I even got away with espionage and subversion under the previous government and no punishment

Well we don’t have a criminal code so I’m going to create a precedent...I’m gonna sure you

Venomringo wrote:Well we don’t have a criminal code so I’m going to create a precedent...I’m gonna sure you

I violated no law under the current government.

Kongeriget Island

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:

Again, go find a fence.

Trump is building one ATM so he will have to wait on that

The New United States, Rateria

Wasn't Soros literally a Nazi collaborator though? Isn't there video evidence of him admitting it was the best time of his life?

Tupolite

So much for ending the endless wars. Brazenly killing an Iranian general and an Iraqi military official at the airport is a heck of a provocation.

https://apnews.com/5597ff0f046a67805cc233d5933a53ed

Venomringo wrote:Lol Marxist isn’t a pejorative

In this part of the country it is one of the worst pejoratives. It is worse than being called a Thoughtless Californian and almost as bad as being called a sociopathic mass murderer (for those who assume that there is a difference between the run of the mill sociopathic mass murder and the typical Marxist -- the latter just hasn't had the opportunity to express themselves yet).

Narland wrote:In this part of the country it is one of the worst pejoratives. It is worse than being called a Thoughtless Californian and almost as bad as being called a sociopathic mass murderer (for those who assume that there is a difference between the run of the mill sociopathic mass murder and the typical Marxist -- the latter just hasn't had the opportunity to express themselves yet).

Well I guess that’s the case when PragerU and Fox News teaches you what Marxism is

Jadentopian Order, Highway Eighty-Eight

Tupolite wrote:It's basically Hill's term for modern apologists of the CSA who he feels do the historical legacy of the South a disservice by interpreting it specifically with a mind for contemporary humanistic sensibilities. For example, he considers the Sons of the Confederate Veterans an organization of "rainbow Confederates" for doing things like pointing out that Jefferson Davis's wife adopted some black kid to protect him from being beaten by his mother, as he believes that it's not conducive to the goals of Dixie nationalism.

I have no problem with people of heritage correcting the mistakes of the past and living a more enlightened present (for a better future should go without saying). Calling those who do Rainbow Confederates sounds disingenuous. I have a big problem with those who extol the errors of the past or try to shackle any progeny to them. They are petty despots of the mind and overbearing tyrants of the soul.

Dialecticians never learn that packaging can only connote the product inside for so long. Once opened, it is the character and nature of the item inside that identifies itself, whether to a badge of honor or towards a token of epitaph. The wordsmithing of powermongers can only hold sway for a portion of the generation they belie before the word given the item speaks for itself. Then they have to create a new term, further ruining the language and the ability for the next generation to communicate openly, honestly and effectively.

Venomringo wrote:Well I guess that’s the case when PragerU and Fox News teaches you what Marxism is

I don't have a problem with Marxists who aren't Communists. It's only when they try to force their Marxism on other people that it becomes a problem. Go have your commune ya damn hippie.

Narland, Rateria

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Venomringo wrote:Well I guess that’s case when PragerU and Fox News teaches you what Marxism is

I had to read Marx and Engels in grammar school. Their dysfunctional sociopathy was well taught by some of the Marxist foot-soldiers who had slipped into the local schools. Fortunately, their lies were not believed by most of us who actually had to live in reality. This is something Ivory Tower Academicians and Idealist Revolutionaries seem to care little about.

We also had parents who had to work in the real world (all of nature) for a living. Most were farmers, ranchers, miners, lumberers, and private businessmen (carpenters, plumbers, linemen, engineers) who owned their own means of production, thank you very much. When we ruralites got home from school, we had plenty of chores to do. Mine was milking, tending/herding cattle, and tending the fields (especially the alfalfa.) We didn't have time to sit around and figure out how to rob from the people their productivity through confiscatory taxation and mustering a brigade of petty despots pretending to care about our interests.

Most of our parents and grandparents had much to say about Marx as well (especially my Grandparents who fought against the tyranny of all forms of Socialism (Communism, Fascism, and Nazism from without, and Progressivists, Democrats, Faux Republicans and Fabians from within)) from WWII and through the ensuing Cold War (not to mention the turncoats in our midst Keynes, Rhodes, Dewey, and the like.)

I learned plenty from the refugees from Hungary, Romania, and Czechoslovakia that my grandfather took in 60s and 70s that helped with the harvests. They had plenty to say about what was wrong with Marx. From my late teens onward I have done the same (helped refugees acclimate to the US).

Marx was a false and failed prophet whose most ardent followers are taught to be self-loathing ingrates (self-righteous bigots, or an admixture of both) furthermore learning to detest what others have attained without them. But if only they were in charge, the world (by hook or crook) would be a Utopia. Just give up your inalienable rights to their machinations and you'll see -- it will work, because now they know for certain. Wherever they triumph they bring death, destruction, and malaise. When they fail (which Marxism cannot but do) they always blame everyone else but themselves, something only a mass murdering sociopath is capable of.

Miencraft, The New United States, Miri Islands

See y'all in bootcamp

Venomringo wrote:Well I guess that’s the case when PragerU and Fox News teaches you what Marxism is

socialism is when the government does stuff

Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Venomringo

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Jadentopian Order wrote:socialism is when the government does stuff

but who was road

You guys are being wiped by Tupolite here....

Tupolite

Kongeriget Island wrote:You guys are being wiped by Tupolite here....

Boot tastes that good huh?

For anyone who wants the rest of the conversation from yesterday, see the Discord server.

Tupolite wrote:For anyone who wants the rest of the conversation from yesterday, see the Discord server.

When Discord gets back to me about their TOS and Privacy Policy I will be happy to sign up. I am not holding my breath. :)

Rateria

Kongeriget Island wrote:You guys are being wiped by Tupolite here....

Imagine engaging with a fascist and legitimizing their views via discussion and debate.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Venomringo ok, mass murdering sociopath.

Yes, I have definitely committed many a mass murder in my lifetime

Venomringo wrote:Yes, I have definitely committed many a mass murder in my lifetime

No, but the Ideology has. You are probably a nice guy who has never been put in a situation where he must choose his own self preservation over the lives of others in a societal collapse wrought by Marxist subversion. I hope you (myself, and everyone else on the planet) never has to.

Marxist ideology eats its own to the point when the Revolution comes, for the Marxist who gain power it is kill or be killed; and for those without power it is avoid being killed at all costs. No "new man" who gives according to his abilities and takes according to his needs ever rises out of the ashes (of societal destruction). It is always the same old petty despots. Those few or that one who lies, cheats, steals, and kills the most efficiently while best organizing the most avidly loyal troops that arises from their wake of societal destruction with it's mass murders, artificial famines, and domestic terror, it is that man (and his ever shrinking smaller cabal) who always rises.

The New United States, Kongeriget Island

Communism is the very definition of failure

The New United States, Kongeriget Island

Venomringo wrote:Imagine engaging with a fascist and legitimizing their views via discussion and debate.

Imagine being scared that you might lose to a fascist in a debate

The New United States, Tupolite, Kongeriget Island

Miri Islands wrote:Imagine being scared that you might lose to a fascist in a debate

It doesn't matter since I won on Discord anyway.

*wink*

Narland wrote:No, but the Ideology has. You are probably a nice guy who has never been put in a situation where he must choose his own self preservation over the lives of others in a societal collapse wrought by Marxist subversion. I hope you (myself, and everyone else on the planet) never has to.

Marxist ideology eats its own to the point when the Revolution comes, for the Marxist who gain power it is kill or be killed; and for those without power it is avoid being killed at all costs. No "new man" who gives according to his abilities and takes according to his needs ever rises out of the ashes (of societal destruction). It is always the same old petty despots. Those few or that one who lies, cheats, steals, and kills the most efficiently while best organizing the most avidly loyal troops that arises from their wake of societal destruction with it's mass murders, artificial famines, and domestic terror, it is that man (and his ever shrinking smaller cabal) who always rises.

Marxism has got it backwards. The new man will come about through ultra-nationalism, not inter-nationalism

Narland wrote:When Discord gets back to me about their TOS and Privacy Policy I will be happy to sign up. I am not holding my breath. :)

You're already being spied on anyway, Birch Beer.

Tupolite wrote:Marxism has got it backwards. The new man will come about through ultra-nationalism, not inter-nationalism

***insert Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard palm slap meme here***

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Tupolite wrote:You're already being spied on anyway, Birch Beer.

That is not exactly the point. We need more Birch Beer distributors, btw. I am awaiting clarification of who owns my words OI. NS has no interest in my extra-curricular activities. Some social media platforms are very confiscatory if not outright hostile to an individual's person and papers.

The New United States, Rateria

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Miri Islands wrote:Imagine being scared that you might lose to a fascist in a debate

It's not being scared, it's just "I'm not going to engage this dumbass"

Rateria, Venomringo, Highway Eighty-Eight

Narland wrote:***insert Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard palm slap meme here***

That is not exactly the point. We need more Birch Beer distributors, btw. I am awaiting clarification of who owns my words OI. NS has no interest in my extra-curricular activities. Some social media platforms are very confiscatory if not outright hostile to an individual's person and papers.

Fine, fine, fine, just attack the people I don't like and I'll be happy

For example:

Jadentopian Order wrote:It's not being scared, it's just "I'm not going to engage this dumbass"

I can see it now. Jaden and Venom at some Antifa rally to deplatform Jordan Peterson. They throw milkshakes. Narland and Miri Islands show up with bike chains and red hats. The rest is just pure, unadulterated fun.

The New United States, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Tupolite wrote:Marxism has got it backwards. The new man will come about through ultra-nationalism, not inter-nationalism

This whole "new man" business, whether from the left or the right, is too utopian for my liking. Do you really think that carnal, fallen man can be redeemed by ultranationalism, and how?

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Tupolite wrote:Marxism has got it backwards. The new man will come about through ultra-nationalism, not inter-nationalism

There is no such thing as a "new man"

Narland, The New United States, Rateria

Any ideology that requires human nature to change in order for it to work is an ideology that will fail every time it is tried.

Miencraft, Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Miri Islands

Tupolite wrote:Fine, fine, fine, just attack the people I don't like and I'll be happy

For example:

I can see it now. Jaden and Venom at some Antifa rally to deplatform Jordan Peterson. They throw milkshakes. Narland and Miri Islands show up with bike chains and red hats. The rest is just pure, unadulterated fun.

Mob vs mob is great for video games and tv and movies -- break out the popcorn and turn down the lights, but not irl.

I do not hate individuals, I may feel pity for them, especially if they are an imminent danger to themselves and others. There are ideologies that are insufferable, and I hate those. But not the people infected by stinking thinking. Those that can be reasoned with and wish to live and let live are no threat. Mature and thoughtful people otherwise infected by some stinking thinking that can be reasoned make good neighbors.

People infected by unruly truculence that breach the public peace by their domestic violence do need brought to justice, but it would be by the lawful actions of the Citizenry and their duly constituted officers, certainly not by MAGAmen. My deputy days are long past, and I haven't had to make a citizens arrest in years. I am certainly not heading over to Portland just to do the job that the City Police are failing to do by making arrests for them. The Portlanders themselves will have to task themselves in such self-governance if they still know how.

Rateria

It's fun to show up at a place antifa is and wear MAGA hats so they'll assault you, then you have a legal way to beat some commie ass.

Tupolite, Miri Islands

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Narland wrote:The Portlanders themselves will have to task themselves in such self-governance if they still know how.

Take this to the comedy clubs, now!

Skaveria wrote:It's fun to show up at a place antifa is and wear MAGA hats so they'll assault you, then you have a legal way to beat some commie ass.

How is it that mixing Birch Beer and Leninade always makes spaghetti sauce?

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Gross.

Someone needs to clean up after the dog

Tupolite wrote:Take this to the comedy clubs, now!

I had to ride the Portland bus from for a month of Hell within the year and a half I lived in Portland. Every day to and from there was a disheveled man talking to invisible people, speaking in tongues and barking at people who sat too close (which no matter how crowded the bus, he always had a seat to himself). The bus driver did nothing.

Several weeks later I see him in Barbour Park with a family and he is in his right mind. When I asked him what was up, he said that he was normal, but just didn't like people sitting next to him on the bus. :/

The TV show Portlandia is more of a self-satirical mockumentary bordering on reality TV than an unfunny comedy. What I like about Portland is that people are not afraid to express their opinions despite the Antifa Fascists trying to bully others to shut up. it is also the largest community in the US that doesn't fluoridate its water.

Skaveria wrote:It's fun to show up at a place antifa is and wear MAGA hats so they'll assault you, then you have a legal way to beat some commie ass.

Screw the maga hats, I'd wear my stahlhelm

Tupolite

Tupolite wrote:

I can see it now. Jaden and Venom at some Antifa rally to deplatform Jordan Peterson. They throw milkshakes. Narland and Miri Islands show up with bike chains and red hats. The rest is just pure, unadulterated fun.

Kobe

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"Socialism is when the government does stuff"

I've rarely met a self described left-libertarian who didn't share this viewpoint. For them, socialism was free healthcare and welfare. Maybe you can accomplish socialism through voluntary association in communes and rejecting both capitalism and the state, but these libertarians seem to be the minority. Even Bookchin said so.

Narland wrote:Antifa Fascists

Look who you're speaking to

Narland wrote:it is also the largest community in the US that doesn't fluoridate its water.

...So much birch beer. I think I'm going to have the runs

Miri Islands wrote:Screw the maga hats, I'd wear my stahlhelm

You've got the right idea

Republic Of Minerva wrote:"Socialism is when the government does stuff"

I've rarely met a self described left-libertarian who didn't share this viewpoint. For them, socialism was free healthcare and welfare. Maybe you can accomplish socialism through voluntary association in communes and rejecting both capitalism and the state, but these libertarians seem to be the minority. Even Bookchin said so.

I'm fairly certain he was ridiculing the right-libertarian objection to economic interventionism here, which is odd since he was previously sworn to those ideals

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:All you Fascists bound to lose.

Maybe, but the frozen peach vendor in Libertatem will always serve me

For now, how are y'all thinking you'll vote in 2020? If nothing too big happens between now and then to change your mind, who would you vote for and why? President Trump? Jacob Hornberger? A Dem? Other?

Rateria

The New United States wrote:For now, how are y'all thinking you'll vote in 2020? If nothing too big happens between now and then to change your mind, who would you vote for and why? President Trump? Jacob Hornberger? A Dem? Other?

Orange Man, because perhaps Orange Man is not quite so bad as he has been purported to be.

Pevvania, The New United States, The United States Of Patriots, Kongeriget Island

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The New United States wrote:For now, how are y'all thinking you'll vote in 2020? If nothing too big happens between now and then to change your mind, who would you vote for and why? President Trump? Jacob Hornberger? A Dem? Other?

Definitely voting for trump again. If he's going to keep his campaign promises he's going to need a second term

Pevvania, The New United States

The New United States wrote:For now, how are y'all thinking you'll vote in 2020? If nothing too big happens between now and then to change your mind, who would you vote for and why? President Trump? Jacob Hornberger? A Dem? Other?

If not Bernie then Warren and if neither of them get the nomination then Vermin Supreme

Articles Of Confederation Usa

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:No one, because voting in the popular election is stupid and a waste of money.

By the name of the Almighty, we finally agree

Albeit my rationale is that elections are frauds and all decisions about the country's direction really being foisted on you by factions of unscrupulous gangsters.

Kongeriget Island

Umm, why has this region been tagged "Communist"? Unless it's April 1st, this is an insult to Libertatem's history, founding fathers and very being itself.

The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Venomringo wrote:If not Bernie then Warren and if neither of them get the nomination then Vermin Supreme

My favourite thing about them is how they pay their interns nothing and have supported almost every foreign war in some way or another since 1990

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Kongeriget Island

Pevvania wrote:Umm, why has this region been tagged "Communist"? Unless it's April 1st, this is an insult to Libertatem's history, founding fathers and very being itself.

Taken care of

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands

Bernie is such a joke. Maybe, Americans should actually go to the oh so heavenly Denmark, and then they would see that Denmark's (and Scandinavia's) great, socialist system is neither great nor socialist. I have seen way too much of this danophilia by the ignorant, naïve Americans, and it needs to stop, now.

Pevvania, The New United States, Tupolite

Tupolite wrote:Look who you're speaking to

You mean look to whom you are speaking, I suppose.

Italian Fascists followed all 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto. Antifa follows all 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto. Both use black shirts. Both bully people and terrorize those with whom they disagree. Just because you call a pile of refuse anti-refuse doesn't make it stink any less. George Orwell was right -- Antifa are the new Fascists.

Miri Islands

Kongeriget Island wrote:Bernie is such a joke. Maybe, Americans should actually go to the oh so heavenly Denmark, and then they would see that Denmark's (and Scandinavia's) great, socialist system is neither great nor socialist. I have seen way too much of this danophilia by the ignorant, naïve Americans, and it needs to stop, now.

Social democracy is an abomination

Narland wrote:You mean look to whom you are speaking, I suppose.

Italian Fascists followed all 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto. Antifa follows all 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto. Both use black shirts. Both bully people and terrorize those with whom they disagree. Just because you call a pile of refuse anti-refuse doesn't make it stink any less. George Orwell was right -- Antifa are the new Fascists.

I thought that it was Huey Long who said that "future fascists will call themselves anti-fascists"...

And he had the support of the Irish-American clerical fascist Charles Coughlin

Also, it's patently foolish to insinuate that fascism and communism share the same ideological tenets, but I frankly get so much of this type of thing that it's become banal

The New United States wrote:For now, how are y'all thinking you'll vote in 2020? If nothing too big happens between now and then to change your mind, who would you vote for and why? President Trump? Jacob Hornberger? A Dem? Other?

Definitely Trump. He frustrates me sometimes and unwisely wastes his political capital on insulting people, but he's racked up an impressive list of achievements in just three years. Remember, he took over an America that was stagnant, sputtering, apologetic and weak. It now sports a roaring economy and a strong, proud standing internationally. We've seen regulations slashed and taxes come down, the reshaping of the courts in a constitutionalist direction, a hard line against the expansionism of Communist China, retooling of our trade deals, attempts to finally enforce our immigration laws and an end to the subsidization of foreign terror cells. Even if you don't like Trump, you need to vote for him, because he's the best chance we have right now of keeping our Republic.

Miencraft

Pevvania wrote:My favourite thing about them is how they pay their interns nothing and have supported almost every foreign war in some way or another since 1990

Are we forgetting the part where the dude y'all worship is literally posturing for war, and has been posturing for war, despite his long ass history of criticizing Obama for doing it.

Rateria, Venomringo

Tupolite wrote:I thought that it was Huey Long who said that "future fascists will call themselves anti-fascists"...

And he had the support of the Irish-American clerical fascist Charles Coughlin

I got it from a Washington Post column misquoting a further misquote. Nevertheless, a broken cuckoo clock is still right 2x a day. Even bad eggs can tell the truth on occasion.

Tupolite wrote:Also, it's patently foolish to insinuate that fascism and communism share the same ideological tenets, but I frankly get so much of this type of thing that it's become banal

Should the the internecine feud between the schisms of Marx (Communists, Nazis, Fascists, Maoists, ad naseum) ever become banal, it will because we will have more to worry about in our lives than polite conversation. To deny that Fascism is the offspring of Marx is wholly disingenuous. Both Fascists and Communists tried to implement the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto with their own unique solutions to the failure that is Socialism. Communism and Fascism are just two sides of the same accursed half-penny.

Both use the same tactics (thuggery), the same means (violent revolution), and the same methods (dialectic determinism) to achieve the same ends. One rules de jure and owns the means of production directly through the Party Organ who eradicate all propriety through mass murder. The other rules de facto an and owns the means of production directly through the Party Members who are allowed to keep a facade propriety until that generation passes away.

The true Anti-Fascists are the Free (and Open) Market Libertarians, Jeffersonian Classical Liberals and those Objective Realists who conserve individual Liberty and Equality under the Law as their Classical Liberal heritage (Anti-Corporatist Traditional American Conservatives). A Communist can never be truly Antifascist nor a Fascist be truly Anti-Communist when they they have the same bloody ends -- a "Utopian paradise" of the same Planks in common. The best to which they can attain is Counter-Fascism/Counter-Communism if they were truthful.

I'm not voting this year.

And before someone wittily comments that then I have no right to complain: I do, and its called the first amendment.

Don't give authority to evil.

Narland

Kongeriget Island wrote:Bernie is such a joke. Maybe, Americans should actually go to the oh so heavenly Denmark, and then they would see that Denmark's (and Scandinavia's) great, socialist system is neither great nor socialist. I have seen way too much of this danophilia by the ignorant, naïve Americans, and it needs to stop, now.

mfw lib says something actually smart: 0.o

Of course it may be he just hates Danes.

Tupolite, Kongeriget Island

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:I'm not voting this year.

And before someone wittily comments that then I have no right to complain: I do, and its called the first amendment.

Don't give authority to evil.

But dude if we don’t vote for Trump life as we know it will end just like it did under Obama

Republic Of Minerva

Any chance of me voting for Trump was ruined a day ago by him killing Suleimani. While I don't buy into the hysteria that this will turn into WW3, this was an incredibly stupid move on his part.

Jadentopian Order, Tupolite

Narland wrote:I got it from a Washington Post column misquoting a further misquote. Nevertheless, a broken cuckoo clock is still right 2x a day. Even bad eggs can tell the truth on occasion.

Should the the internecine feud between the schisms of Marx (Communists, Nazis, Fascists, Maoists, ad naseum) ever become banal, it will because we will have more to worry about in our lives than polite conversation. To deny that Fascism is the offspring of Marx is wholly disingenuous. Both Fascists and Communists tried to implement the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto with their own unique solutions to the failure that is Socialism. Communism and Fascism are just two sides of the same accursed half-penny.

Both use the same tactics (thuggery), the same means (violent revolution), and the same methods (dialectic determinism) to achieve the same ends. One rules de jure and owns the means of production directly through the Party Organ who eradicate all propriety through mass murder. The other rules de facto an and owns the means of production directly through the Party Members who are allowed to keep a facade propriety until that generation passes away.

The true Anti-Fascists are the Free (and Open) Market Libertarians, Jeffersonian Classical Liberals and those Objective Realists who conserve individual Liberty and Equality under the Law as their Classical Liberal heritage (Anti-Corporatist Traditional American Conservatives). A Communist can never be truly Antifascist nor a Fascist be truly Anti-Communist when they they have the same bloody ends -- a "Utopian paradise" of the same Planks in common. The best to which they can attain is Counter-Fascism/Counter-Communism if they were truthful.

Fascism comes from Sorelianism, which in turn comes from Marxism. That is not to state the equivalency between fascism and Marxism. After all, Christianity came from Judaism and Islam came from Christianity, but that doesn't prevent them from holding markedly different tenets, values, and beliefs, much less despising each other.

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