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Northern Prussia wrote:I say nay to this bill. The bill is unconstitutional in its own right and the mere fact that the Attorney General, who is charged with legal and constitutional matters of this region would even dare propose such a bill.

The constitution can be amended, as I plan for it to be. The constitution is a living document, what was true two years ago may not be true now.

Now you are not even opposing for valid reasons you're just spouting empty rhetoric and trying to guilt me for wanting to change the region for the better.

Northern Prussia wrote:I oppose this legislation more for its constitionality, rather than its content.

But a moment ago you opposed it for the expansion, you did not mention constitutionality at all. Now you are just clinging on to every hope you have to defeat it.

Besides what help does the Attorney General need. What courts exist? Why is this necessary? If this bill passes, then a creation of a more formal court will be needed to counteract the Prosecution with a defense, and a judge to rule.

Do not confuse both my arguments. I believe both of them as powerful in their own right, but the Constitution must be ammended prior or this bill serves a purpose in the trash can.

Northern Prussia wrote:Besides what help does the Attorney General need. What courts exist? Why is this necessary? If this bill passes, then a creation of a more formal court will be needed to counteract the Prosecution with a defense, and a judge to rule.

There has been countless judiciary legislation passed. COURT, APPEAL, etc. The Appeals court exists, civil suit courts exist, and legislative courts exist.

If the Attorney General is involved in a conflict of interest in a civil suit, plaintiff or defendant, they cannot prosecute. If they are involved in a conflict of interest in an appeal or legislative court, they cannot rule.

You are running out of last ditch arguments.

A real concern is why the president chooses which bills go for a vote?

Northern Prussia wrote:Do not confuse both my arguments. I believe both of them as powerful in their own right, but the Constitution must be ammended prior or this bill serves a purpose in the trash can.

The bill, as it is already at vote, can be passed before the amendment. The amendment will be voted on. If it passes, the President will sign and it will go in effect. If it fails, the President will veto and it does not. Thus, your constitutionality argument falls.

Fine you win your argument over a computer. I guess ill go back to the real world, and you know prosper.

Why don't we just repeal the Constitution and create a new more modern and democratic one in its place?

Northern Prussia wrote:A real concern is why the president chooses which bills go for a vote?

Oh my God, really? Changing the subject, hmm?

Northern Prussia wrote:Fine you win your argument over a computer. I guess ill go back to the real world, and you know prosper.

Yep, that's how we remain mature here.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Why don't we just repeal the Constitution and create a new more modern and democratic one in its place?

Tried that, it was a nope.

Humpheria wrote:Yep, that's how we remain mature here.

Tried that, it was a nope.

When was the last time we as a region tried that?

Northern Prussia wrote:I would like to motion a vote to create the unofficial office of Chairman of the House and place Pevania on the seat.

Meant to address this earlier.

1. Not remotely legal.

2. Pevvania is not a member of the House of Representatives.

Humpheria wrote:Meant to address this earlier.

1. Not remotely legal.

2. Pevvania is not a member of the House of Representatives.

3 why not have election for the job.

The Amarican Empire wrote:When was the last time we as a region tried that?

I believe it was last November.

You can try it if you'd like. I did it last time. It was not fun, and it will not be fun for you.

The Amarican Empire wrote:3 why not have election for the job.

Why does that need to be a job?

Now that really would be government expansion.

Humpheria wrote:I believe it was last November.

You can try it if you'd like. I did it last time. It was not fun, and it will not be fun for you.

What will I be called a traitor constantly or something?

I as a member hold my right to create, vote, and pass or fail legislation. So I can propose legislation to do such actions.

Humpheria wrote:Why does that need to be a job?

Now that really would be government expansion.

I agree with all your points I just meant that even if we did have that position why just appoint pev immediately.

Just throwing names out thats all.

The Amarican Empire wrote:What will I be called a traitor constantly or something?

I wasn't called a traitor. It would just be extensively destroyed.

Northern Prussia wrote:I as a member hold my right to create, vote, and pass or fail legislation. So I can propose legislation to do such actions.

What are you referencing? Making Pevvania "Chairman of the House"?

Also hint the "unofficial"

Chairman of the House is a unofficial office appointed by the House of Representatives to give us encouragement and advice on bill creation.

Northern Prussia wrote:Also hint the "unofficial"

Then what would he do? If he was unofficial and held no official authority or responsibilities of a branch of government that he was not apart of, what would he do?

The Chairman serves at the House's pleasure

Northern Prussia wrote:Chairman of the House is a unofficial office appointed by the House of Representatives to give us encouragement and advice on bill creation.

Why would you need a position for encouragement or advice? You can ask any veteran member of the region. I've authored a lot of legislation, Pev is knowledgeable, Mien has written legislation and so has Muh. You can also open proposed legislation for critique without voting on it.

Northern Prussia wrote:The Chairman serves at the House's pleasure

You're making my head hurt.

Northern Prussia wrote:The Chairman serves at the House's pleasure

I thought mien already passed an executive order making hump serve at the houses pleasure.

An unofficial office meaning it wouldnt exist. The holder would have the right to say he is such without meaning and serves until the Houses favor has run out. The chairman can be anybody, but the president, vice president, and the founder.

New thoughts on the AG Act:

(Former) President Humph has made it clear that this is an amendment to the Constitution, which should be made clear in its factbook. This also means that the President cannot veto it. I am now more at ease with the bill's constitutionality. However, I still feel that the entire premise of an elected AG is rather... liberal. It's an Amarican idea; something you'd find in the proposed replacement constitution. Electing the AG would be like electing the Manager. If the AG represented some impartial judicial role then this would be a more plausible idea. And while the AG must uphold and defend the Constitution, it is still fundamentally an executive-appointed position. It seems that in drafting this act, Humpheria has conflated Attorney-General with Chief Justice. In summary, it is an unsound idea.

If this part as taken out of the amendment, and perhaps if the bureaucracy clause was altered so that the new staff do not have to be appointed, then it would have my support.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I thought mien already passed an executive order making hump serve at the houses pleasure.

He serves sex acts at the House's pleasure, but yeah.

Northern Prussia wrote:An unofficial office meaning it wouldnt exist. The holder would have the right to say he is such without meaning and serves until the Houses favor has run out. The chairman can be anybody, but the president, vice president, and the founder.

If it's unofficial, you can not set regulations for the position because it is unofficial and cannot be official regulated. It makes absolutely no sense.

Northern Prussia wrote:I would like to motion a vote to create the unofficial office of Chairman of the House and place Pevania on the seat.

I'm flattered, Prussia, but

1. it's Pevvania* :P

2. I've had too much time in the limelight! :P My governmental duties right now lie with Reagan's Riders. Let someone else do that. Also, I'm not a member of the House, so I'd be an unwise choice.

Pevvania wrote:New thoughts on the AG Act:

(Former) President Humph has made it clear that this is an amendment to the Constitution, which should be made clear in its factbook. This also means that the President cannot veto it. I am now more at ease with the bill's constitutionality. However, I still feel that the entire premise of an elected AG is rather... liberal. It's an Amarican idea; something you'd find in the proposed replacement constitution. Electing the AG would be like electing the Manager. If the AG represented some impartial judicial role then this would be a more plausible idea. And while the AG must uphold and defend the Constitution, it is still fundamentally an executive-appointed position. It seems that in drafting this act, Humpheria has conflated Attorney-General with Chief Justice. In summary, it is an unsound idea.

If this part as taken out of the amendment, and perhaps if the bureaucracy clause was altered so that the new staff do not have to be appointed, then it would have my support.

The election clause is the purpose of the amendment. I feel that an elected AG would serve the region and it's people, rather than it's president and their agenda. In theory the President could attempt to pass legislation, the AG could say it is unconstitutional, and he could replace him like *that*. Boom! New AG, law passes, General Will is bastardized.

There is nothing wrong with adding an extra splash of democracy to Libertatem.

And NP will reciprocate everything Pev says in 3, 2, 1...

Northern Prussia wrote:Exactly

Humpheria wrote:And NP will reciprocate everything Pev says in 3, 2, 1...

Also on the list

Regional Greeter

Sargent at Arms

Chief Editor

Northern Prussia wrote:Also on the list

Regional Greeter

Sargent at Arms

Chief Editor

1) What

2) Sergeant*

3) That's me.

Humpheria wrote:The election clause is the purpose of the amendment. I feel that an elected AG would serve the region and it's people, rather than it's president and their agenda. In theory the President could attempt to pass legislation, the AG could say it is unconstitutional, and he could replace him like *that*. Boom! New AG, law passes, General Will is bastardized.

There is nothing wrong with adding an extra splash of democracy to Libertatem.

And NP will reciprocate everything Pev says in 3, 2, 1...

So it could weaken the establishment. Hmmm you are almost convincing me my dear humpy.

No I spelled it right. No dictionary will tell us how to spell.

Northern Prussia wrote:No I spelled it right. No dictionary will tell us how to spell.

"Sargent" is a completely different word.

The military term is "sergeant".

Miencraft wrote:1) What

2) Sergeant*

3) That's me.

He greets newcomers

Keeps order during voting periods

Gramar checks all government work

Humph.

So the two new appointed posistions don't really do much ans it adds more elections?

hey guis am i a good raidr?

Northern Prussia wrote:He greets newcomers

Keeps order during voting periods

Gramar checks all government work

We do that already. Most newcomers were recruited and talk to the person that recruited them.

We are constantly voting on things. You can't hijack or filibuster a poll, we don't need that.

Proposed legislation is a private endeavor, once it is passed, citizens are generally very swift with grammatical critiques without having an unofficial title.

The Warring States Of The Mediterranean wrote:Humph.

So the two new appointed posistions don't really do much ans it adds more elections?

Yes. That was the point of it.

The two appointees have less power than managerial deputies.

The AG becomes an elected office who serves three month terms with term limits.

hu mp am i a gud raider?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:hu mp am i a gud raider?

u rade gud

Republic Of Minerva wrote:hu mp am i a gud raider?

yus

Republic Of Minerva wrote:SAY NO

DON'T YOU HAVE PROPAGANDA TO PROPOGATE

Al uss gude peple aend raderz

Miencraft wrote:DON'T YOU HAVE PROPAGANDA TO PROPOGATE

What the hell did you just fecking say about me, you little snitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Black Riders, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on The North Pacific, and I have over 300 confirmed banjections. I am trained in tag warfare and I’m the top raider in the entire game. You are nothing to me but just another fenda. I will wipe you the feck out with clicking precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this game, mark my fecking words.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What the hell did you just fecking say about me, you little snitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Black Riders, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on The North Pacific, and I have over 300 confirmed banjections. I am trained in tag warfare and I’m the top raider in the entire game. You are nothing to me but just another fenda. I will wipe you the feck out with clicking precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this game, mark my fecking words.

Is that a threat on the President's existence?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:What the hell did you just fecking say about me, you little snitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Black Riders, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on The North Pacific, and I have over 300 confirmed banjections. I am trained in tag warfare and I’m the top raider in the entire game. You are nothing to me but just another fenda. I will wipe you the feck out with clicking precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this game, mark my fecking words.

You mad?

I is kind, I is smart, I is important.

*sips bourbon and lights a montecristo*

Here's to capitalism boys (and girls)!

Muh Roads wrote:*sips bourbon and lights a montecristo*

Here's to capitalism boys (and girls)!

*sips applejuice*

Humpheria wrote:*sips applejuice*

That's good stuff too.. do y'all have cider mills in Indiana? I ask because I haven't found one in any other state than Michigan. It's kind of a tradition I guess... hot/cold cider, warm donuts, fresh off the tree apples... hayrides and pumpkin patches..lol

Northern Prussia wrote:They do in Minnesota

Definitely worth the drive from western North Dakota then :D

Muh Roads wrote:That's good stuff too.. do y'all have cider mills in Indiana? I ask because I haven't found one in any other state than Michigan. It's kind of a tradition I guess... hot/cold cider, warm donuts, fresh off the tree apples... hayrides and pumpkin patches..lol

If they do, they're up north. Down here we build barges and mine coal.

Humpheria wrote:If they do, they're up north. Down here we build barges and mine coal.

Yeah, Southern Indiana is actually more city. It's northern Indiana where all the farm land is.

Muh Roads wrote:That's good stuff too.. do y'all have cider mills in Indiana? I ask because I haven't found one in any other state than Michigan. It's kind of a tradition I guess... hot/cold cider, warm donuts, fresh off the tree apples... hayrides and pumpkin patches..lol

I went to one of those once. They even had alcoholic cider.

Zeouria wrote:I went to one of those once. They even had alcoholic cider.

Some do! It's good stuff! Usually unfiltered, but typically pasturized thanks to our friends at the USDA... *sarcasm*

Never have really had much apple flavored beer. Only angry orchard and reds apple ale. Angry Orchard is better than reds apple ale in my opinion.

Oh, I've also had some of this microbrewery crap at my sisters.... it wasn't very good. (It tasted like they had poured whiskey and mold into it)

Zeouria wrote:Never have really had much apple flavored beer. Only angry orchard and reds apple ale. Angry Orchard is better than reds apple ale in my opinion.

I like Red's Apple Ale. I have never tried Angry Orchard before.

Call me a woman all you want, but I like Mike's Hard Lemonade.

Jordsindia wrote:I like Red's Apple Ale. I have never tried Angry Orchard before.

Call me a woman all you want, but I like Mike's Hard Lemonade.

Their Strawberry ale or whatever is better then the 'Apple ale'. Angry Orchard is just more bitter and harder to drink, I guess is the best way to describe it.

I've only had a few sips of Mike's Hard Lemonade from a friend, but I remember it tasting good. Ever drink trusted tea? Now that's good.

*twisted tea

Fvck autocorrect.

Zeouria wrote:*twisted tea

Fvck autocorrect.

Can't say I have?

Do you drink 'dark beer' like Guinness?

Jordsindia wrote:Can't say I have?

Do you drink 'dark beer' like Guinness?

I enjoy Guinness

Redds apple ale is an ale, whereas angry or hard is a cider. Quite different drinks.. angry orchard is one of my favorites, I really like the granny smith style one.

I am a big Guinness fan, but ever since I've drank it in Ireland.. it just doesn't seem to taste the same here in the states.

Zeouria wrote:Oh, I've also had some of this microbrewery crap at my sisters.... it wasn't very good. (It tasted like they had poured whiskey and mold into it)

Hate to be this guy, but aren't you like 14 or 15?

Humpheria wrote:Hate to be this guy, but aren't you like 14 or 15?

Shhh..... Underage drinking isn't anything new

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Shhh..... Underage drinking isn't anything new

I'm just sayin...

Humpheria wrote:I'm just sayin...

I know

Humpheria wrote:Hate to be this guy, but aren't you like 14 or 15?

Tsar is 15 I believe.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Shhh..... Underage drinking isn't anything new

I've never illegally drank. I live life dangerously

The Amarican Empire wrote:Tsar is 15 I believe.

Hey, I'm 15 as well. Anyway, drinking age is not the federal governments business.

All you guys must do is Acknowledge Me, and then everything will be fine.

Arstotskah wrote:All you guys must do is Acknowledge Me, and then everything will be fine.

Um.... hi! :)

Arstotskah wrote:All you guys must do is Acknowledge Me, and then everything will be fine.

Hello and welcome to a dictators hell.

Btw/ there's a really fascinating article I just read.

Recent archaeological research has shown that early human civilization collapsed at the end of the neolithic era. This may have been due to the fact that the communal, egalitarian societies of the early tribes were incompatible with forming large communities. I recommend you guys give it a read!

http://io9.com/how-farming-almost-destroyed-human-civilization-1659734601

Arstotskah wrote:All you guys must do is Acknowledge Me, and then everything will be fine.

You. Hello.

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Kincoboh wrote:Hello Libertatem.

I am not speaking on behalf of the Alliance, but I'm just curious.

As a fellow libertarian region, what are your opinions on the current WA proposal regarding patents?

That proposal, like most, are a massive affront on civil and personal liberties.

Pres, elections better get going soon.

Now, as it seems impossible for AGA to pass, do not think that I will stop working for this idea. If I have to write an amendment for every word in the Constitution to make this possible I will. The people will have control over the judicial branch. The people will take charge of the influence on the civil trial and legislative constitutionality trials of this region. I will make this the truth or I will type my fingers to the bone trying.

Pevvania wrote:Pres, elections better get going soon.

There are only 2-3 contested seats. If we start tomorrow, we've got plenty of time.

Also, speaking of the elections, Funky can't run while he's in the Cabinet, and he'll be there until he's replaced.

THAT'S WHERE MINERVA COMES IN.

MINERVA, ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AND WE CAN GET STARTED.

Welcome back, GID!

Humpheria wrote:Welcome back, GID!

Is there any new candidate ?

Hello, all. Godisdead here. As you may recall, Godisdead was RMB banned for no particular reason, as was my backup nation, so here is the nation I will be using.

Basically what happened is that once band and subsequently school began, I was no longer able to tend to my nation, and I never picked it up again for personal reasons. (Not to sound melodramatic, but I was kind of a mess. But let's skip that) So, I am back, but with reduced activity to start with, because I'm fairly busy. I may eventually get back into the swing of things. Also, I saw that, Lack.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Is there any new candidate ?

I believe it stands at.

1. Yrellian Confederacy (I)

2. Humpheria (RLP)

3. Amarican (I)

4. RWN (RLP) v. Funkytopia (ACOP) v. Renegalis (Unknown)

5. NCSA (RLP)

Humpheria wrote:I believe it stands at.

1. Yrellian Confederacy (I)

2. Humpheria (RLP)

3. Amarican (I)

4. RWN (RLP) v. Funkytopia (ACOP) v. Renegalis (Unknown)

5. NCSA (RLP)

TTA is running for 5.

Humpheria wrote:I believe it stands at.

1. Yrellian Confederacy (I)

2. Humpheria (RLP)

3. Amarican (I)

4. RWN (RLP) v. Funkytopia (ACOP) v. Renegalis (Unknown)

5. NCSA (RLP)

I shall run for seat 5. Why not?

What party are RRRG, TTA, and Renegalis running in?

TTA, Amarican and me are probably going to run for a new party : the New Libertatem Party.

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