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Region: Libertatem
Money is the main motivator, but there are other reasons than just "greed." For example, you may become a teacher because you like working with students and teaching other people. Rarely do people go to a job for simply making money.
Well, yeah, but better service = more customers = more money, thus incentive for better service.
Making money is the basis though. Is it not?
You can do this equation as well.
Service for the majority=More Customers=Money.
Except for how there's no actual incentive for public schools to do anything beyond what's required for the tests, as that's all they need to get money.
Well the only goal of Private schools would be to cater to the majority.
Not particularly. If the majority wants to take their business elsewhere due to poor quality, then they're going to do that, thus driving the lower quality schools out.
The majority is the LOW QUALITY OF STUDENTS.
[quote]Making money is the basis though. Is it not?[/quote] The basis is to make a stable income. In most accounts people have more than one choice of a job they would like to enter. If money was the sole basis, then everyone who went to college would only get a degree in law or medicine.
[quote=the_time_alliance;5498622]Well the only goal of Private schools would be to cater to the majority. [/quote]
I thought that was the goal of public schools. You know, to educate the masses without having any incentive to cater to the individual, or giving them a choice?
fkin quote feature pardon me.
By what standards, though?
By the standards of those students, it's the school what's low quality.
By the school's standards, well, they're just students. Who cares?
It doesn't fall upon the government to educate the youth. It falls upon the youth to educate Themselves
That just doesn't make sense. I suppose I just missed your point, but I just don't get it.
1. I absolutely agree with you on this.
2. That's also pretty agreeable, but at the same time there's really not much the youth can do to educate themselves. I mean, you never really know how reliable anything out there is.
It makes plenty of sense. If a youth is not educated it is their fault. Not the government's.
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If they are too lazy to get a job, then it is most definitely their fault if they starve.
Did they work to get food? And Comparing a service to a need is not a good comparison
It has to be someone's fault. The youth don't need any schools to learn anything.
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Because apparently having a job is way out there when it comes to ways to obtain food.
Alright, if you want to take something past the intended point with snide remarks in what I thought was an intelligent debate, I digress. Carry on.
It is.
Quit with those remarks. You are currently running for a seat. People running for a seat shouldn't make these remarks.
Alchandria: I find your conduct since the start of this election unsettling and inappropriate for one of your status. Due to this, not just your remarks to me, I withdraw my endorsement from your campaign. I'm sure this will not effect you too much, as you seem to not care about anything.
Alliance: Our views differ too greatly so I will not endorse you either, I'll just sit this one out.
I think the biggest question here is why the debates here always boil down to list making lol
This is great
Oh my God. *takes off glasses*
No problem man. We all have opinions. If you don't agree with the candidates don't support them.
List making?
It is probably a little to late to apologize to all of you, but I would like to do so anyways. If you haven't yet noticed, I can't quite keep my mouth shut too well. I feel that is a trait that is not befitting of anyone with any degree of power around here. I apologize for the things I say and how I say those things. However, I will never apologize for my beliefs or my eagerness to express them.
As for the elections, I am not dropping out as long as Time alliance opposes my position. I plan on Dropping out when I find an opponent I see fit to take over, such as in the next elections or whenever I get the opportunity.
Example A:
Example B:
Do not take my comments in offense. What you just did, I admire greatly. And regardless of what the "Haters" say, never apologizes for your beliefs. I just wish that you would go about it a different way. And I would rather you than your opponent, now one called for a resignation.
I think I'll regard my first few months here as a rough patch and leave it at that. Also, I don't take your comments to offense because you happen to be right.
Ah. Haha.
Standing up for your beliefs is good no matter what they are. I for one was hoping you wouldn't. What's the point of elections if there is only one person running.
Whom called for a resignation?
He was talking about dropping out, when no one mentioned it before that.
I meant I wouldn't run next time if I approved of the other candidate's agenda.
Than I misunderstood, I apologize.
Oh. Sorry the typo threw me off.
Makes sense. By the way is the Socialist Anarchist Party active or defunct?
I'd say it is defunct.
I believed it was.
I'm sure you could revive it. It just might be hard to find people who agree with that particular political standing.
No. I'm not looking to put 2 parties under one person. I'm not wanting nationalized or corporate (whichever one it is) party ownership. I'm not Monopolizing or Nationalizing parties.
And there are plenty who agree with it on NS.
Any party that is defunct may be revived by membership, just as a party can be founded by membership.
Goodnight all.
I never actually met anyone on here that understood it. I know I don't.
G'Night
On that note, welcome new nations to Libertatem!! If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask me or one of the other fine nations here!
Who exactly do I have to talk to to start a raid?
The manager of military affairs or the president would be a good start
Thank you. I wasn't quite sure since ARMA passed.
Currently trying to win WAD of The Federal Islands to get them more involved in REATO activity but I have good reason to suspect that the current WAD is cheating to win so yeah. That's going really well.
I just sent a puppet to vote for you.
So, does Liberosia ever do anything at all?
In my experience, he serves as a silent sentinel. Stepping in only when necessary.
I feel like he stays just to keep us from being founderless.
He's left before, as long as his nation exists, we will be protected. He has still done somethings in the past as well.
Who was president before Pevvania?
He retired from regional affairs a while ago to become a private citizen. I don't think he has as much time for NationStates these days, but I talk to him fairly often so I know he's still alive.
There's a good factbook about past Preaisents on the forums, but its kind of out of date. Before me came Snabagag, who I defeated in an election. He served for over a year. Before him was Tundrania, who served sporadically over a period of a few months or so. In between one of his terms was The Lone Star, who served for three days.
I sent my vote already. I strongly suspect cheating as well..
I have almost completely socialized my economy with very little capitalism.
#1 for Nicest Citizens
#2 for Smartest Citizens
#1 for Healthiest Citizens.
Are you bragging or complaining? :-)
Yeah seriously?
Presidential Statement
Libertatem condemns the flagrant abuses of power being conducted in The Federal Islands 2Nd Gen by a candidate so desperate to win an election that they'll resort to corruptive and unfair practices simply in order to win. The President reminds the WA Delegate that true victory comes not from the most puppeteered votes, but from the support of your people.
The Board seconds,
I'm just so sick of Neutricland's scheming. It's the whole reason I came to Libertatem with my main country in the first place. It's why I'm trying to get him out of WAD there in the first place.
Neutricland is a clown. He is still trying to get my vote.
If you guys could report all instances of corruption, in detail, to my puppet in the Federal Islands, it would be greatly appreciated.
This is what happens with Socialism mixed w/ capitalism.
Sounds inefficient and bureaucratic.
One or the other, please.
Seconded.
I choose capitalism :)
Last time, on NS Trek II:
Pev: "Connnnnnnnnnnnn!"
Teehee
"Anarcho-Communism"
Is that an idiom?
SAT VOCAB WORD TEN POINTS
No, it is an oxymoron. Go back to the PSAT, newb.
Can we accept the embassy request from that Pink Floyd region? I think we all agree that Floyd is beautiful.
No. Communism in literal sense has NO. Government.
See this is the problem. People don't understand that two things can be mixed into something better (if done right)
Hahahaha! I love it!
Socialism: Workers are the owners. Industries are nationalized and/or democratized.
Capitalism: Private individuals are the owners. Industries are privatized.
You cannot mix it. It's like mixing oil and water, and then throwing on a match.
It's easy to mix. Nationalize important things like Education, Healthcare, Energy, and Welfare. And keep the capitalistic Corporations.
And on health care. Before saying anything Obama care was Nationalized healthcare gone wrong. What we should do is this.
Have a base plan that everyone can receive. If someone wants to pay for better insurance they can then get it thus creating a mix of Nationalized healthcare while keeping insurance companies.
(I didn't come up with that plan. Blue Shield medical insurance did. )
Ah yes and congratulations to Alchandria and the Libertarian Objectivist Party onv winning seat 5!
Thank you, time alliance, for a fun race. A lot of nations that I didn't know existed came out of nowhere to vote; we really stirred up regional politics. It was a good race.
Congratulations, Alchandria. Looking forward to serving with you again.
And me you.
Okay elections ended 6-12
I'm not counting someone who voted for my opponent due to this.
5 hours ago: The United States of Dick Balls arrived from The Black Riders
This is similar to the system in the US. Turn on the news and see how well it works. I you nationalize "important things" than you run the risk of the government getting bigger and spending more, which history has proved detrimental to the very society they serve. Look around you. Soon all of the political ideologies just start to blur. I rarely speak up in the policy discussions of this region, but I feel like it's time to speak up. Muh pointed out that debates boil down to lists here so...
1. Socialism is ineffective to grow a nation. It might be a good policy for a compact state, but not a large one. To distribute the wealth, you have to have wealth, and Socialist states run out quickly. Under FDR, the Socialist of America, added $236 Billion (in the trillions for today's money) to the debt, a 1,048% increase. That started a chain which has not effectively been stopped since. Primarily, because of his laws and policies that still exist today.
2. Capitalism has it's flaws too. I classify with it much more easily, but it is not perfect. The difference is that Socialism has no room for economic growth and Capitalism IS economic growth. How could letting the people run their own lives not make sense?
3. The point of the policy critique is to show that very large fissures of difference. You cannot cross the two. You either take everything or you give everyone the resources to start themselves.
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Now, some government stuff. I call before the House, Board, and the Executive, the three votes of Dick Balls Ankinas Seriffe. The first nation is an inappropriately named puppet from The Black Riders, obviously. The two latter nations are disgustingly obvious puppets. They were founded a day ago and moved straight here, with the exception of moving to another region to mask suspicion, and at the first moment of citizenship voted in the election and did nothing else. I officially, as Chairman, call for the removal of their votes from the record and for those puppets to be barred from Regional activities.
While I agree with you on the first, do know that I sent out roughly 2000 recruitment telegrams.
5 recruits:
The Dictatorship of Seriffe (1 day ago)
The Free Land of Ankinas (1 day 6 hours ago)
The Kingdom of Kyleas nation bitches (1 day 12 hours ago)
The Principality of Fernadendrum (1 day 14 hours ago)
The Republic of Daoinetir (1 day 16 hours ago)
They both came from my TG's. I cant say the same for mr.dick. lol
Alright, if you say so. I digress. It just seems suspicious that they came literally right after being created.
It is similar to the American system however Obama care was failed because of how it was enacted. Not because it offered nationalization. Well here's an idea. Spend less on non -important things like NASA, NSA, CIA, Military and Congressional Salaries. List time?
1.I'm not suggesting socialism. I'm suggesting Nationalized Capitalism. Keep capitalism while nationalizing things that you can't trust Corporations with. And FDR? You mean the guy who ended the great depression. Which might I add was caused by capitalism? Yesh. Socialism totally ruined us.
2. Both have good and bad points. But both also have good points.
3. Maybe if we learned about compromise of systems The world wouldn't be so screwed up. Because as the world shows. Both systems are failing.
You do bring up a good point though [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation]. Maybe we should write legislation on voting requirements. Especially since the trouble in TFI. The only difficulty is going to be the house, seeing as all member nations are still considered part of it.
I feel like we're going in circles with this whole puppet issue
Regardless of the puppets, you still lose. Your infantile "its not fair" whining is irrelevant. Alchandria won. Stop belly aching about it.
Easy there, Time Alliance lost fair and Square and even congratulated Alchandria on his victory.
I agree and as the new Manager of Internal Affairs I believe this will be the perfect issue to address first as I get cozy in my new office. Im gonna need a ficus haha
A FICUS NEXT TO YOUR FUTON!
Power goes off for a few hours and all this happens while I'm gone :P
[B]The Board Elections are now closed[/B]
This was a rather uneventful election cycle, save for the widely-publicised retention of Seat 5 and the cabinet shuffle-up. New changes to the Board and cabinet will be made official tomorrow, as the new (-ish) Board begins its first day. Thank you [nation=short]Lack There Of[/nation] for your service to the cabinet, and welcome to the Board at the same time. I also look forward to working with [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] to improve the region's domestic affairs and [nation=short]Conservative Idealism[/nation]in a new capacity more befitting to him.
Concerning the recent 'scandal': I don't find it plausible that [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] may have resorted to vote-rigging. First of all, two of the three new arrivals came on Muh Roads's request. Secondly, Alchandria never ran a strong campaign, so wouldn't have gone to the lengths of puppeteering just for the sake of winning. And thirdly, why resort to such a tactic when you're guaranteed victory anyway? There's simply no motive for this whatsoever. But, in respecting the sovereignty of the Board, if they wish to mount an investigation or have the Attorney-General embark on one they may do so, although I see no reason to at all.
Mr Moseby
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