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Region: Libertatem

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Fierrol wrote:Howdy.

Greetings and salutations.

Fierrol, Auxorii

Fierrol wrote:Howdy.

Welcome to the best region

Fierrol, Auxorii

Suzi Island wrote:Welcome to the best region

Well...

It does seem like a very nice region.

Fierrol wrote:Well...

It does seem like a very nice region.

The oldest extant, and one of the last, truly libertarian regions on NS.

Auxorii

“The senseless man does not know,

fools do not understand,

that though the wicked spring up like grass

and all evildoers flourish,

they will be forever destroyed.

But you, O LORD, are exalted forever.”

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The oldest extant, and one of the last, truly libertarian regions on NS.

Goodness, are libertarians really so rare on NationStates? I've seen a few of the libertarian/free market regions, but I do particularly like the vibe I get from Libertatem.

Auxorii

Fierrol wrote:Goodness, are libertarians really so rare on NationStates? I've seen a few of the libertarian/free market regions, but I do particularly like the vibe I get from Libertatem.

Libertatem is a great place. I am not on Social Media or Discord, so I might be missing a lot of the gameplay and discussion for Libertatem, but NS Libertatem it is a good place to hang one's hat for NS in general. Libertarian's are on NS, but neo-Marxist Leftists, and Fabian Socialist influenced Leftists tend to be the more loud, more obnoxious and more prolific posters in many of the forums (imo).

The other poster's here are friendly, and in my experience open and honest. I greatly respect them, even the one's with whom I disagree. It is good to see their perspectives.

Fierrol, Auxorii

Full disclosure.

I am a Libertarian Constitutional Conservative. I agree with Ayn Rand where Libertarian Objectivism and Objective Realism from classical Liberalism overlap (almost all of it). The parts of the epistemological disagreement is workable politically in our system of government. I think the epistemology of Jonathan Edwards and Alvin Platinga provide a more workable structure for the political expression of Liberty. And Lysander Spooner has some of the best legal theory for judicial execution within the framework of constitutional, civil and common law that would make any petty despot's head explode.

Fierrol

Wow. They really indicted Trump. This sets precedent for Hilary, Pelosi, Schumer, Mit Romney, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, (insert any candidate here) to be indicted for anything! We are all police state banana republics now.

Fierrol

Narland wrote:Libertatem is a great place. I am not on Social Media or Discord, so I might be missing a lot of the gameplay and discussion for Libertatem,

Yeah, I don't like using most social media in general, nor Discord in particular, so I am likely to have a similar scope of experience.

Narland wrote: but NS Libertatem it is a good place to hang one's hat for NS in general. Libertarian's are on NS, but neo-Marxist Leftists, and Fabian Socialist influenced Leftists tend to be the more loud, more obnoxious and more prolific posters in many of the forums (imo).

Yes, they post a lot. They always have, but in my limited experience, it seems like it might be worse these days.

Narland wrote:The other poster's here are friendly, and in my experience open and honest. I greatly respect them, even the one's with whom I disagree. It is good to see their perspectives.

Okay. I'll try not to be my usual abrasive self.

Narland

Fierrol wrote:Okay. I'll try not to be my usual abrasive self.

My grandfather used to say that all people are rough around the edges when being themselves. The more we are ourselves with others the more opportunities to become polished we have. Just don't leave your spouse, horse, or pistol at home when doing so. Or something to that effect. He used to say a lot of things that included pistol, horse, and spouse.

this region is over 10 years old

think it outlasted even laissez faireholm by far

Narland wrote:Wow. They really indicted Trump. This sets precedent for Hilary, Pelosi, Schumer, Mit Romney, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, (insert any candidate here) to be indicted for anything! We are all police state banana republics now.

It's amusing when the government tries to indict Trump for things that the government also does

Narland

Republic Of Minerva wrote:It's amusing when the government tries to indict Trump for things that the government also does

Open hypocrisy is a communist trope

Narland

So much for April Fool's Day.

The last thing the corrupt Statists should want is to make Trump a martyr.

Narland wrote:The last thing the corrupt Statists should want is to make Trump a martyr.

So, you're thinking that they would be unwise to Epstein Trump? Or are you saying they're fools for having gone as far as they have, already?

Fierrol wrote:So, you're thinking that they would be unwise to Epstein Trump? Or are you saying they're fools for having gone as far as they have, already?

They're fools for going this far. He's practically won the election at this point

Narland

Hello their! Can’t wait to get to know y’all!

Narland, Fierrol

Nosam Republic wrote:They're fools for going this far. He's practically won the election at this point

You know, I thought that too about the Republicans on November 7, 2022. I'm going to have to wait and see before I commit to any predictions in 2024.

Ok, ima head out.

Cause if i get into politics here, ima spread propaganda about the benefits of a civil war lead by my president, trump.

The States Of Southern-America wrote:Ok, ima head out.

Cause if i get into politics here, ima spread propaganda about the benefits of a civil war lead by my president, trump.

Yeah, I'm going to have to disavow, would-be glowfriend. There's a lot to be angry about, but a civil war is folly. Don't get entrapped now, ya hear.

Nosam Republic wrote:They're fools for going this far. He's practically won the election at this point

I dunno about that

Auxorii

The States Of Southern-America wrote:Ok, ima head out.

Cause if i get into politics here, ima spread propaganda about the benefits of a civil war lead by my president, trump.

Trump would the a terrible leader in that event.

(Besides, the Confederacy sucked)

Auxorii

Fierrol wrote:So, you're thinking that they would be unwise to Epstein Trump? Or are you saying they're fools for having gone as far as they have, already?

As far as they have. I don't think they are that morally stupid, but with the history of Leftists one never knows. They usually wait until they can disappear and murder people in the thousands and millions before they bare their fangs (unless they can get away with it without any suspicion of culpability).

The States Of Southern-America wrote:Ok, ima head out.

Cause if i get into politics here, ima spread propaganda about the benefits of a civil war lead by my president, trump.

Welcome to Libertatem. We can discuss terms of your surrender. :) This region is very conversational. Feel free to start up one at any time.

I think we need to return to being a free country without a civil war. Repentance, reformation, and revival will do that without the need for brother to rise against brother.

Fierrol wrote:You know, I thought that too about the Republicans on November 7, 2022. I'm going to have to wait and see before I commit to any predictions in 2024.

I am still incredulous that a corrupt and petty politician like Biden (who has been on the wrong side of almost every political issue since I was a child) legitimately got more votes than even Obama let alone Trump by hiding in his basement. We just have to take them at their word that that was the most fair election in history, and there was no evidence of corruption whatsoever. Epstein didn't kill himself; Fauci didn't do gain of function; and the Administrative State respects People with whom they politically disagree.

Nosam Republic wrote:They're fools for going this far. He's practically won the election at this point

This definitely boosts his standing in the Primary. Beyond that, it is it is too far too off in the distance too tell. If the PLA motivates enough Chicom provinces to take Taiwan during Biden's administration, I think Trump will take the Presidency. If BRIC Ghadaffies a viable dinar against the Dollar, I think we will have more things to worry about than who or who isn't president.

Miencraft, Auxorii

A Donald Trump mugshot would be the ultimate bada-- image for him to capitalize on

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:A Donald Trump mugshot would be the ultimate bada-- image for him to capitalize on

I would buy a Trump brand [tm] mug shot poster just for historic value (and to support his election campaign).

“There can be no Friendship where there is no Freedom. Friendship loves a free Air, and will not be penned up in streight and narrow Enclosures. It will speak freely, and act so too; and take nothing ill where no ill is meant; nay, where it is, ’twill easily forgive, and forget too, upon small Acknowledgments.”

~ William Penn

Narland, Nordhessir

Narland wrote:I am still incredulous that a corrupt and petty politician like Biden (who has been on the wrong side of almost every political issue since I was a child) legitimately got more votes than even Obama let alone Trump by hiding in his basement. We just have to take them at their word that that was the most fair election in history, and there was no evidence of corruption whatsoever. Epstein didn't kill himself; Fauci didn't do gain of function; and the Administrative State respects People with whom they politically disagree.

Incredulous... That's a mild way of putting it. I never said anything about trusting them, but I am inclined to think there's effectively a marginal voter, one who probably isn't the median voter. I just don't know what percentile this voter is located in. I guess I could be wrong - I've been wrong before about their willingness and ability to gaslight people.

Narland

Fierrol wrote:Incredulous... That's a mild way of putting it. I never said anything about trusting them, but I am inclined to think there's effectively a marginal voter, one who probably isn't the median voter. I just don't know what percentile this voter is located in. I guess I could be wrong - I've been wrong before about their willingness and ability to gaslight people.

Right after the 2020 election many news outlets were crowing that this was the most fair and least corrupt election in US history. MSNBC was saying that there was no evidence of voter fraud. Every election has irregularities and attempts at voter fraud somewhere. The audacity to say that those who questioned the election were doing so in bad faith was irritating to say the least.

Miencraft, Fierrol

Narland wrote:Right after the 2020 election many news outlets were crowing that this was the most fair and least corrupt election in US history. MSNBC was saying that there was no evidence of voter fraud. Every election has irregularities and attempts at voter fraud somewhere. The audacity to say that those who questioned the election were doing so in bad faith was irritating to say the least.

The wholesale dismissal of any questions surrounding the 2020 election, which was completely unprecedented in terms of new methods like widespread mail-in voting shows the establishment is either hiding something or too stupid to realize that by denying even questions from people that they are raising suspicions

Miencraft, Fierrol

Suzi Island wrote:The wholesale dismissal of any questions surrounding the 2020 election, which was completely unprecedented in terms of new methods like widespread mail-in voting shows the establishment is either hiding something or too stupid to realize that by denying even questions from people that they are raising suspicions

I think the Sam Harris interview on Triggernometry that made a splash for a couple weeks might offer a glimpse of the mindset of these folks. Orange Man was so exceptionally bad, that nothing, not even the destruction of the Republic, is too large a price to pay to defeat him. Otherwise, you'd basically have to assume that people, and I include ostensibly really smart people, are really that dumb. Epic levels of TDS is more plausible for most people, especially as a concomitant phenomenon of other recent expressions of mass psychosis.

Narland

Well we didn't get a mugshot but DJT still is willing to fight which is good

Narland

Happy Passover to any here who celebrate

Narland, Fierrol, Auxorii, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:Happy Passover to any here who celebrate

And a Happy Easter as well

Narland, Fierrol, Rateria, Nordhessir

For those who celebrate it, Happy Easter. He is risen. May everyone have a happy Easter whether one celebrate it or not. I pray that God may shower you with blessings of love, joy and peace.

Fierrol, Nordhessir

Narland wrote:For those who celebrate it, Happy Easter. He is risen. May everyone have a happy Easter whether one celebrate it or not. I pray that God may shower you with blessings of love, joy and peace.

He is risen indeed

Fierrol

Since Lib has ceased to exist for an extended period of time, there is an open senate seat. If anybody wishes to take his seat, let me know here.

Suzi Island, Rateria

Well China is threatening Taiwan

Suzi Island wrote:Well China is threatening Taiwan

They've been doing that, though it was only a matter of time until the gestures became more than saber-rattling.

Suzi Island wrote:Well China is threatening Taiwan

Sutalia wrote:They've been doing that, though it was only a matter of time until the gestures became more than saber-rattling.

The Politburo has less than two years to overthrow the democratically elected government of Taiwan and oppress them with a ChiCom totalitarian State. (Assuming the US has the good sense to actually elect someone worthy of the title, President of the United states in 2024). Occupying Taiwan (whilst calling themselves Liberators) would be a triumph for Communists. It would effectively end the Chinese Civil War with Communists as the victors.

They would propagandize Communism as the ideology of the 21st century worldwide. And it would be an ideological defeat for those evil Capitalist and their subversive notions that financial transactions should be voluntary, mutually beneficial, and confer an obligation to recognize the inherent right of the individual to actually own his own stuff. That also, would leave Singapore as the last freehold of Chinese people with their own national polity (albeit a shared polity).

Miencraft, Sutalia, Southern Cone

Narland wrote:The Politburo has less than two years to overthrow the democratically elected government of Taiwan and oppress them with a ChiCom totalitarian State. (Assuming the US has the good sense to actually elect someone worthy of the title, President of the United states in 2024). Occupying Taiwan (whilst calling themselves Liberators) would be a triumph for Communists. It would effectively end the Chinese Civil War with Communists as the victors.

They would propagandize Communism as the ideology of the 21st century worldwide. And it would be an ideological defeat for those evil Capitalist and their subversive notions that financial transactions should be voluntary, mutually beneficial, and confer an obligation to recognize the inherent right of the individual to actually own his own stuff. That would leave Singapore as the last freehold of Chinese people with their own national polity (albeit a shared polity).

A US with weakness leadership (both in boldness and morals) is a dangerous thing for the world. The evils of communism seem to be spreading from China while our country declines spiritually, physically, and politically

Narland, Southern Cone

“Grace interpreted as a principle, pecca fortiter as a principle, grace at a low cost, is in the last resort simply a new law, which brings neither help nor freedom. Grace as a living word, pecca fortiter as our comfort in tribulation and as a summons to discipleship, costly grace is the only pure grace, which really forgives sins and gives freedom to the sinner.

We Lutherans have gathered like eagles round the carcase of cheap grace, and there we have drunk of the poison which has killed the life of following Christ. It is true, of course, that we have paid the doctrine of pure grace divine honours unparalleled in Christendom, in fact we have exalted that doctrine to the position of God himself. Everywhere Luther’s formula has been repeated, but its truth perverted into self-deception. So long as our Church holds the correct doctrine of justification, there is no doubt whatever that she is a justified Church! So they said, thinking that we must vindicate our Lutheran heritage by making this grace available on the cheapest and easiest terms. To be “Lutheran” must mean that we leave the following of Christ to legalists, Calvinists and enthusiasts—and all this for the sake of grace. We justified the world, and condemned as heretics those who tried to follow Christ. The result was that a nation became Christian and Lutheran, but at the cost of true discipleship. The price it was called upon to pay was all too cheap. Cheap grace had won the day.

But do we also realize that this cheap grace has turned back upon us like a boomerang? The price we are having to pay to-day in the shape of the collapse of the organized Church is only the inevitable consequence of our policy of making grace available to all at too low a cost. We gave away the word and sacraments wholesale, we baptized, confirmed, and absolved a whole nation unasked and without condition. Our humanitarian sentiment made us give that which was holy to the scornful and unbelieving. We poured forth unending streams of grace. But the call to follow Jesus in the narrow way was hardly ever heard. Where were those truths which impelled the early Church to institute the catechumenate, which enabled a strict watch to be kept over the frontier between the Church and the world, and afforded adequate protection for costly grace? What had happened to all those warnings of Luther’s against preaching the gospel in such a manner as to make men rest secure in their ungodly living? Was there ever a more terrible or disastrous instance of the Christianizing of the world than this? What are those three thousands Saxons put to death by Charlemagne compared with the millions of spiritual corpses in our country to-day? With us it has been abundantly proved that the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. Cheap grace has turned out to be utterly merciless to our Evangelical Church.”

~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship (1937)

Thanks for posting that. Bonhoeffer was required summer reading for the 5-6th grade Friends' Sunday School classes at our meetings back in the 70s. We owed a great debt to Mr. S. (r.i.p.) for breaking it down for school kids to understand. The Gospel is given freely, the price to receive it cost God his most precious Son. The cost of discipleship is to die to our very selves and be made alive again (transformed) to live in/by/with/for Christ.

“The cross is laid on every Christian. The first Christ-suffering which every man must experience is the call to abandon the attachments of this world. It is that dying of the old man which is the result of his encounter with Christ. As we embark upon discipleship we surrender ourselves to Christ in union with His death — we give over our lives to death. Thus it begins; the cross is not the terrible end to an otherwise god-fearing and happy life, but it meets us at the beginning of our communion with Christ.

When Christ calls a man, He bids him come and die. It may be a death like that of the first disciples who had to leave home and work to follow Him, or it may be a death like Luther’s, who had to leave the monastery and go out into the world. But it is the same death every time—death in Jesus Christ, the death of the old man at his call.” Cost of Discipleship -- Bonhoeffer

Sorry for my absence

Narland, Rateria, Southern Cone

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Sorry for my absence

Welcome back!

Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Holy crap, massive update.

Fierrol, Rateria, Southern Cone

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Holy crap, massive update.

It seems interesting the update

Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:It seems interesting the update

This region is the reason I've stayed on NS

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Nosam Republic, Borgias

Suzi Island wrote:This region is the reason I've stayed on NS

Libertatem is the only good part of NS.

Narland, Auxorii, Suzi Island, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eighty-Eight, Nosam Republic, Southern Cone

A Libertatem game would be cool

Auxorii, Southern Cone

Miencraft wrote:Libertatem is the only good part of NS.

I would phrase it that Libertatem is the best part of NS.

Auxorii, Southern Cone

Narland wrote:I would phrase it that Libertatem is the best part of NS.

What I like about Libertatem is that the discussions, either here or on the Discord, are always interesting and everyone has a different flavor of Liberterianism/ Conservatism to express. Not to mention the different religious backgrounds, but it all remains civil

Auxorii, Southern Cone

... [C]ivility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate. Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring those problems which divide us. -- JFK

Auxorii, Southern Cone

A story written by myself and ChatGPT:

In the year 2050, Pope Benedict XX shocked the world by coming out as atheist.

Benedict had been a devoted member of the Catholic Church for his entire life, and he had risen through the ranks to become the leader of the Church. But one day, Benedict began to have doubts about his faith. He began to question the existence of God and the validity of the Church's teachings.

At first, Benedict kept his doubts to himself. He continued to go through the motions of his job, performing Mass and leading his flock as best he could. But as time went on, Benedict's doubts grew stronger. He began to feel like a fraud, preaching a faith that he no longer believed in.

Eventually, Benedict decided that he could no longer continue as Pope. He knew that if he came out as an atheist, he would be excommunicated from the Church and likely face other repercussions. But he couldn't keep living a lie.

So, Benedict called a press conference and announced to the world that he no longer believed in God. The news spread like wildfire, and soon there were calls for his immediate removal from the Vatican. Catholic leaders around the world condemned his actions as heresy, and called for his immediate resignation.

The Church was reluctant to take action against one of their own, but they had no choice. They were the guardians of the faith, and the Pope's actions could not be ignored. So they convened an emergency meeting of the cardinals and bishops, and after much prayer and discussion, they reached a difficult decision.

The Church convened a council to officially excommunicate Benedict from the Church. The decision was not taken lightly. It was an unprecedented move, and one that was sure to send shockwaves throughout the Catholic world.

The excommunication was swift and brutal.

The Pope was to be exiled from the Vatican. He would be stripped of his title, his power, and his status as a priest, and banished to a remote island for the rest of his life.

It was a harsh punishment, but the Church felt it was necessary to protect the faithful from the apostasy of one of their own. Benedict was given a chance to recant his beliefs and return to the Church, but he refused. He had seen the light, he said, and there was no going back.

The Church reached out to the Italian authorities, and they were able to arrange for the Pope's exile. He was loaded onto a plane, blindfolded, and flown to an unknown location. The world watched as the once-revered leader of the Catholic Church disappeared into the ether, his legacy forever tarnished by his defection.

The Catholic Church knew that their decision would be controversial, but they felt that it was the only way to protect the sanctity of the faith. By exiling Benedict, they showed that they would not tolerate heresy, no matter who it came from.

And so, the Catholic Church stood firm in their beliefs, even in the face of controversy. They showed the world that they would do whatever it takes to protect the faith, no matter the cost.

And so they soldiered on, trying to make sense of the Pope's stunning apostasy, and praying for his redemption. For they knew that even the worst sinner could be saved, if only he had the courage to repent and turn back to God. He did not have the courage, though.

The Church, meanwhile, went about its business as usual, steadfast in its mission to spread Christ's gospel to the ends of the earth. They knew that the Pope's betrayal was a blow to their credibility, but they also knew that the Church was bigger than any one man.

Auxorii

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:[spoiler=ChatGPT story]A story written by myself and ChatGPT:

In the year 2050, Pope Benedict XX shocked the world by coming out as atheist.

Benedict had been a devoted member of the Catholic Church for his entire life, and he had risen through the ranks to become the leader of the Church. But one day, Benedict began to have doubts about his faith. He began to question the existence of God and the validity of the Church's teachings.

At first, Benedict kept his doubts to himself. He continued to go through the motions of his job, performing Mass and leading his flock as best he could. But as time went on, Benedict's doubts grew stronger. He began to feel like a fraud, preaching a faith that he no longer believed in.

Eventually, Benedict decided that he could no longer continue as Pope. He knew that if he came out as an atheist, he would be excommunicated from the Church and likely face other repercussions. But he couldn't keep living a lie.

So, Benedict called a press conference and announced to the world that he no longer believed in God. The news spread like wildfire, and soon there were calls for his immediate removal from the Vatican. Catholic leaders around the world condemned his actions as heresy, and called for his immediate resignation.

The Church was reluctant to take action against one of their own, but they had no choice. They were the guardians of the faith, and the Pope's actions could not be ignored. So they convened an emergency meeting of the cardinals and bishops, and after much prayer and discussion, they reached a difficult decision.

The Church convened a council to officially excommunicate Benedict from the Church. The decision was not taken lightly. It was an unprecedented move, and one that was sure to send shockwaves throughout the Catholic world.

The excommunication was swift and brutal.

The Pope was to be exiled from the Vatican. He would be stripped of his title, his power, and his status as a priest, and banished to a remote island for the rest of his life.

It was a harsh punishment, but the Church felt it was necessary to protect the faithful from the apostasy of one of their own. Benedict was given a chance to recant his beliefs and return to the Church, but he refused. He had seen the light, he said, and there was no going back.

The Church reached out to the Italian authorities, and they were able to arrange for the Pope's exile. He was loaded onto a plane, blindfolded, and flown to an unknown location. The world watched as the once-revered leader of the Catholic Church disappeared into the ether, his legacy forever tarnished by his defection.

The Catholic Church knew that their decision would be controversial, but they felt that it was the only way to protect the sanctity of the faith. By exiling Benedict, they showed that they would not tolerate heresy, no matter who it came from.

And so, the Catholic Church stood firm in their beliefs, even in the face of controversy. They showed the world that they would do whatever it takes to protect the faith, no matter the cost.

And so they soldiered on, trying to make sense of the Pope's stunning apostasy, and praying for his redemption. For they knew that even the worst sinner could be saved, if only he had the courage to repent and turn back to God. He did not have the courage, though.

The Church, meanwhile, went about its business as usual, steadfast in its mission to spread Christ's gospel to the ends of the earth. They knew that the Pope's betrayal was a blow to their credibility, but they also knew that the Church was bigger than any one man.[/spoiler]

What input parameters did you give it?

Well fox is done

Narland, Southern Cone

Suzi Island wrote:Well fox is done

Carlson was the last thing keeping me listening to Fox. Napolitano, Stossel, Dobbs, and now Tucker -- all gone. Carlson was one of the few talking heads on Fox that would actually have meaningful conversations with Leftists, Liberals, Conservatives and Libertarians -- anyone that would come on his show. If one was sincere and honest about it, he would let you speak your peace even if you were flaky or off kilter. Sometimes it was annoying but I understand. If one was corrupt or deceptive, he would let them have it (usually with a follow-up expose as well).

Nordhessir

Narland wrote:Carlson was the last thing keeping me listening to Fox. Napolitano, Stossel, Dobbs, and now Tucker -- all gone. Carlson was one of the few talking heads on Fox that would actually have meaningful conversations with Leftists, Liberals, Conservatives and Libertarians -- anyone that would come on his show. If one was sincere and honest about it, he would let you speak your peace even if you were flaky or off kilter. Sometimes it was annoying but I understand. If one was corrupt or deceptive, he would let them have it (usually with a follow-up expose as well).

You're right aside from nailing policy most of the time, he also moved the needle in terms of guests and topics covered. Big loss for FNC

Suzi Island wrote:You're right aside from nailing policy most of the time, he also moved the needle in terms of guests and topics covered. Big loss for FNC

It looks like Black Rock and affiliates are using this opportunity of Fox's loss to acquiring from at present 15% to 17% shares. If I am reading the data correctly, that is a shame as well.

Here is a link to Tucker Carlson's speech which allegedly was an indirect factor in Murdoch firing him.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N32UPXGChgo[/url]

The Senate of Libertatem has passed the following legislation:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1871193

Voting record on this legislation:

Highway Eighty-Eight - NAY

Southern Cone - AYE

Suzi Island - AYE

Rateria - AYE

Rateria, Southern Cone

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The Senate of Libertatem has passed the following legislation:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1871193

Voting record on this legislation:

Highway Eighty-Eight - NAY

Southern Cone - AYE

Suzi Island - AYE

Rateria - AYE

count me as an aye

Southern Cone

Libertatem dispatches, including the senate records, will be updated this weekend. Sorry for slacking.

Rateria, Nosam Republic, Southern Cone

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Libertatem dispatches, including the senate records, will be updated this weekend. Sorry for slacking.

Slacker 👺

(Non-canon RP)

--TELEVISION SHOWS A CONISH TELENOVELA--

--USUAL SCHEDULED BROADCASTING IS INTERRUPTED--

--PRESIDENT JORGE JIMENEZ ALESSANDRI PANS INTO VIEW WITH A SERIOUS FACE--

--PRESIDENT SPEAKS IN SPANISH, FOR PURPOSES OF EASE, TRANSCRIPT WILL BE IN ENGLISH--

Esteemed Conish citizen. The last few days we have had some serious disagreements with Dictator Willy on a number of topics. Dictator Willy has repeatedly crossed the line, making outright prepostorous claims. The Federation will not stand idle when serpents spout their wicked lies. Evil must be stopped from spreading in this world.

The Federation Southern Cone hereby declares war on The Road to Serfdom of Highway Eighty-Eight.

Thank you, and God bless the good people of Southern Cone.

--BROADCAST FINISHED--

Rateria

From the Office of Joseph Rú, Premier of Auxorii

The ‘Tatemite Defense Alliance will remain officially neutral but will pay close attention to the conflict, readying troops and resources if necessary. Auxor and Raterian troops have been placed on official stand-by notice.

Aide will also be available upon request in the case of a humanitarian crisis - and Auxorii reserves the right to intervene in any conflict where fundamental human rights are threatened.

Auxorii also unilaterally condemns the profiting off of war and any selling of arms to either party in the conflict and cautions against the beginning of an arms race.

The Auxor government will also reserve the right to intervene if such shipments come into Auxor territory, whether it be airspace or controlled sea lanes, to the point of the ultimate destruction of said weapons and their mode of transportation.

Totus tuus,

Joseph Rú

Premier of Auxorii

Supreme Commander of the ‘Tatemite Defense Alliance

Rateria

Governor Francis Davis, broadcasted from what is clearly the counter of a bar, in Highway Eighty-Eight

My fellow Wisconsinites, and all our fellow Americans, it has come to my attention that a foreign nation in Latin America has declared war against our Free Territory. It may surprise you, as it surprised me, to know that the origin of this declaration of war lies in truths spoken by myself concerning the relationship of Finland to Sweden. The deranged leader of Southern Cone, who is clearly a pseudo-American and a Europhile, was greatly offended by my completely factual comments, and has apparently decided that war is the best response to facts. As the elected commander of a small territory in Wisconsin, I am shocked that the leader of Sourhern Cone could take such offense to a truth spoken about a European hellhole like Sweden, and am even more shocked given his country’s status as an American state. Highway Eighty-Eight has always stood for pan-Americanism, and has always endeavored to promote peace and harmony on this continent of America, ever since we marched out of the Republic of Highway Eight and seized Highway Eighty-Eight from the Wisconsinite National Guard. We urge the diplomatic community in America to help Southern Cone, and put its leader in a mental hospital until he remembers his American identity. Until then, I have ordered a complete mobilization of the local militia, and call on our comrades in Highway Eight, thankfully lead by my brother Edward, to bolster our small fighting force.

The broadcast ends with Frank returning to his drink and burger

Auxorii, Rateria, Southern Cone

Libertatem RP:

Alejandro Léon, Raterian Ambassador to the Southern Cone, sits reclined in a chair in his living room in the Raterian Embassy, with a bottle of red wine in his hand and his feet on the table. The room is windowless with beige walls covered in some places with paintings, photos, and awards. Ambassador Léon is watching the telenovela when the announcement interrupts.

Ambassador Léon is irritated, but watches intently. Upon seeing the war declaration, he responds with exasperation. “F**k. Are you f*****g serious? I gotta call my boss.” He stumbles to the landline on the small table next to him and dials for the Raterian Secretary of State.

The Secretary of State, Arthur Ellison answers.

“Hello. Secretary Ellison speaking.”

“I have bad news, Mr. Secretary.”

“Ambassador Léon, what’s going on?”

“President Jimenez Alessandri is declaring war on Highway 88. We better do something.”

“I’ll let the President know. Thank you for your service. We will evacuate you and your staff if necessary and will make preparations to do so.”

“Thanks.”

*Phone call ends*

Ambassador Léon sits alone with his head in his hands. “I’ll prepare an announcement for the Raterians here.”

Auxorii, Southern Cone

News media outlets are broadcasting live in Buenos Aires. Today, it was a sunny day. The thought of war and its consequences seemed distant in the Paris of America. The Obelisk of Buenos Aires stood tall and mighty as it had done through the centuries. It was noticeble that today was a special day, crowds gathered along the the sides of July 9 Avenue in Buenos Aires, tanks, trucks, air fighter jets and soldiers march on and are boarded unto Conish warships while a military orchesta plays on its drums. For many it was a day of pride and patriotism, for others it was a day of worries and lamentation. The future seemed uncertain.

Meanwhile, a secret elite special force of three men and two women were preparing to depart from Valparaiso, in advance to do a reconnaissance mission in 88. With the knowledge that the state of 88 was fascist, as a pre-caution, the individuals had been carefully selected. Light skin, green eyes and brown hair would hopefully help faciliate melting into the crowds.

President. Jorge Jimenez Alessandri had also sent a formal invitation letter to several CEOs and directors of arms manufucturing in Rateria and Suzi Island to come to Southern Cone and discuss a contract on an undisclosed location in Santiago de Chile. A great sum of money was promised on the letters.

Suzi Island, Rateria

The Free Republic will remain neutral, however our private arms companies our free to make deals with any country who hasn't been officially declared an enemy of the Free Republic in accordance to HR 171 passed in 2018

Rateria, Southern Cone

Nosam Republic will also remain neutral in this conflict, unless we are directly attacked. Citizens will be strongly advised not to travel to the combatting countries, and corporations are strongly advised not to do business with the combatting countries.

Rateria, Southern Cone

Nosam Republic wrote:Nosam Republic will also remain neutral in this conflict, unless we are directly attacked. Citizens will be strongly advised not to travel to the combatting countries, and corporations are strongly advised not to do business with the combatting countries.

Southern Cone requests military access for its marine vehicles to enter the Missisippi River system or Great Lakes from the Hudson Bay. SC is willingly to pay a great sum of money.

Nosam Republic

I’m curious am I legit the largest nation by territory on the map?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1813036

Southern Cone wrote:Southern Cone requests military access for its marine vehicles to enter the Missisippi River system or Great Lakes from the Hudson Bay. SC is willingly to pay a great sum of money.

Access to the Missisippi River will require transit through the Carribbean. Auxorii will respond to any attempts to violate the sovereignty of Kohalo and its seas.

Southern Cone wrote:I’m curious am I legit the largest nation by territory on the map?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1813036

Possibly. We’ll be able to get away with large map claims until a sizeable amount of claims come in - until then, there have been no issues with two nations claiming one territory.

Southern Cone

Auxorii wrote:Access to the Missisippi River will require transit through the Carribbean. Auxorii will respond to any attempts to violate the sovereignty of Kohalo and its seas.

Possibly. We’ll be able to get away with large map claims until a sizeable amount of claims come in - until then, there have been no issues with two nations claiming one territory.

The Federated States beg to differ. You can not claim the entirety of the Carribean Sea and mind you there are other ways in albeit by land. Cone considers the coast of Central America and Mexico to be no man’s land thus not an intrusion on Kohalo waters

Southern Cone wrote:The Federated States beg to differ. You can not claim the entirety of the Carribean Sea and mind you there are other ways in albeit by land. Cone considers the coast of Central America and Mexico to be no man’s land thus not an intrusion on Kohalo waters

Such incursions through land wouldn’t be an issue - the issue would be transit through the Caribbean sea, which, while Kohalo does not claim the entirety of it, such transit to the coasts of central America would require armed vessels, troops and any other military services you would bring immediately in the vicinity of the numerous islands in the Carribean sea - all of which are under Kohali sovereignty.

If such transists approach any islands belonging to Kohalo, Auxorii will be forced to respond, along with the entire might of the ’Tatemite Defense Alliance.

Southern Cone

Southern Cone wrote:Southern Cone requests military access for its marine vehicles to enter the Missisippi River system or Great Lakes from the Hudson Bay. SC is willingly to pay a great sum of money.

Any act of assistance by the state of Nosam Republic to the imperial-colonialist invasion force will be considered an act of war by Highway 88. The corruption of Southern Cone, which has violated all the principles of the American people of this continent, is both shameful and blatant. In waging an aggressive, illiberal, colonial war, Southern Cone is simply mimicking the actions of those European powers which our forefathers rejected and sent back into the sea.

Auxorii, Nosam Republic, Southern Cone

Auxorii wrote:Such incursions through land wouldn’t be an issue - the issue would be transit through the Caribbean sea, which, while Kohalo does not claim the entirety of it, such transit to the coasts of central America would require armed vessels, troops and any other military services you would bring immediately in the vicinity of the numerous islands in the Carribean sea - all of which are under Kohali sovereignty.

If such transists approach any islands belonging to Kohalo, Auxorii will be forced to respond, along with the entire might of the ’Tatemite Defense Alliance.

(you sneaky bastard! explains why you claimed venezuelan coast lines which to be seemed insignificant!)

The Federated States acknowledges your warnings. We will not enter the Carribean Sea from the east.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Any act of assistance by the state of Nosam Republic to the imperial-colonialist invasion force will be considered an act of war by Highway 88. The corruption of Southern Cone, which has violated all the principles of the American people of this continent, is both shameful and blatant. In waging an aggressive, illiberal, colonial war, Southern Cone is simply mimicking the actions of those European powers which our forefathers rejected and sent back into the sea.

Southern Cone condemns 88’s threats of military action on neutral states and rejects 88’s statement as blatant lies presenting as further evidence of fascism.

The FS are willing defend Nosam Republic from fascist aggresion by any means neccesary in the events that The Republic allows Conish seacraft to enter the Mississippi River System which would be monetary compensation.

(hehe since this is non-canon rp I’ll pull an ugly card and put you in a sh*tty position xP)

However, Cone warns that if any other nations as little as tries to break Nosam’s neutrality on the 88 vs Cone war, Cone will consider that an act of war and retaliate with military action.

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The United States Of Patriots, the Federated States request military access to pass through Patriotic land. Cone is willing to monetary compensate you.

Rateria

In the interest of neutrality, Nosam Republic will not aid Southern Cone by allowing Conish nor 88 warcraft to enter the Mississippi River, and any such warcraft found within Nosaman territory will be considered an act of war. We expect Kohalo and Auxorii to respond to any Conish warcraft found travelling in the Caribbean towards our shores. If any 88 warcraft are found outside of their sovereign claims to the lakes of Michigan and Superior, this will also be interpreted as an act of war. Nosam Republic sees itself as a buffer between the two combatting nations, and in the interest of neutrality and peace, will continue this policy unless forced to respond.

Now excuse us while we look for more oil in rural Texas.

Auxorii, Rateria, Southern Cone

Southern Cone wrote:(you sneaky bastard! explains why you claimed venezuelan coast lines which to be seemed insignificant!)

The Federated States acknowledges your warnings. We will not enter the Carribean Sea from the east.

Southern Cone condemns 88’s threats of military action on neutral states and rejects 88’s statement as blatant lies presenting as further evidence of fascism.

The FS are willing defend Nosam Republic from fascist aggresion by any means neccesary in the events that The Republic allows Conish seacraft to enter the Mississippi River System which would be monetary compensation.

(hehe since this is non-canon rp I’ll pull an ugly card and put you in a sh*tty position xP)

However, Cone warns that if any other nations as little as tries to break Nosam’s neutrality on the 88 vs Cone war, Cone will consider that an act of war and retaliate with military action.

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The United States Of Patriots, the Federated States request military access to pass through Patriotic land. Cone is willing to monetary compensate you.

The USOP congress has not passed a law allowing a non-allied nation to access our territory militarily. Trade for arms and materials is open to both sides however.

Rateria, Southern Cone

The Most Honourable, the Premier Joseph Rú of Auxorii, maintains that an arms race must not begin and is to be avoided at all costs. As an officially neutral nation, Auxorii will continue the policy of responding to any shipments of arms, troops or other supplies within Auxor or Kohali territory in support of the offensive against Highway Eighty-Eight with the use of totally destructive force.

Any nations that aide the offensive will be viewed as equal aggressors - any sale of materials for use in the offensive will be viewed as said aide. Auxorii also expects her fellow ‘Tatemite nations to prohibit the sale of such materials by private companies or individuals to Conean forces.

Auxorii will consider the use of economic sanctions against any nations that contribute to the furtherance of war.

Rateria

Auxorii wrote:The Most Honourable, the Premier Joseph Rú of Auxorii, maintains that an arms race must not begin and is to be avoided at all costs. As an officially neutral nation, Auxorii will continue the policy of responding to any shipments of arms, troops or other supplies within Auxor or Kohali territory in support of the offensive against Highway Eighty-Eight with the use of totally destructive force.

Any nations that aide the offensive will be viewed as equal aggressors - any sale of materials for use in the offensive will be viewed as said aide. Auxorii also expects her fellow ‘Tatemite nations to prohibit the sale of such materials by private companies or individuals to Conean forces.

Auxorii will consider the use of economic sanctions against any nations that contribute to the furtherance of war.

The Free Republic believes sanctions against a country based on the actions of private enterprises goes against the values of libertarianism

Rateria, Southern Cone, Mirina

Following recent events, Cone has decided re-route. On classified documents it is stated that the while the elite reconnasaince team will try to get into 88. The war ship's destination is South Baffin Island where they will set up camp. On the president's order they will then head for Hudson Bay where tanks and aircraft will make their way to Wisconsin.

Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:The Free Republic believes sanctions against a country based on the actions of private enterprises goes against the values of libertarianism

Auxorii maintains that the shipment of arms and troops threatens the peace of all Libertatem - the prospect that businesses should have the right to participate in foreign wars that threaten the security of the region is in line with the non-aggression principle is absurd. Rights only go as far until they trample on the rights of others.

This war, the first of its kind seen by Libertatem, puts the rest of us in a unique position with fruitful opportunity. In these early stages of the war, no loss of life has occured and the destruction of nations has not occured on any level - yet. We as self-proclaimed libertarians must stand firm for peace and non-aggression, not fuel the cause of unjust wars because we believe it’s ideologically consistent for us to do so. It’s not ideologically consistent - and more importantly, it’s destabilizing for the region and reprehensible on a moral level.

The Revolutionary Republic also reiterates it is completely within the right of the state to enforce our own economic penalties where seen fit and that the Auxor people have a right to determine who the Revolutionary Republic should have economic ties with. There is a well established tradition in geopolitics of pursuing conflict through economics, rather than arms - through a nationwide strike held in protest by one people against the inhumanities of another. Indeed, Auxorii views the permission of any ‘Tatemite state granted to pursue business with aggressive, war pursuing nations as inconsistent with libertarian values.

Auxorii is not interested in having economic, or any other kind of ties, with nations that take frivolous and inconsistent positions that threaten the security of the region and peace among peoples.

We stand by our condemnation of such nations, if they were to act in such a way; and stand by our promise to pursue economic sanctions on such nations as well as the withdrawal of any Auxor diplomatic missions.

Rateria, Southern Cone

Auxorii wrote:Auxorii maintains that the shipment of arms and troops threatens the peace of all Libertatem - the prospect that businesses should have the right to participate in foreign wars that threaten the security of the region is in line with the non-aggression principle is absurd. Rights only go as far until they trample on the rights of others.

This war, the first of its kind seen by Libertatem, puts the rest of us in a unique position with fruitful opportunity. In these early stages of the war, no loss of life has occured and the destruction of nations has not occured on any level - yet. We as self-proclaimed libertarians must stand firm for peace and non-aggression, not fuel the cause of unjust wars because we believe it’s ideologically consistent for us to do so. It’s not ideologically consistent - and more importantly, it’s destabilizing for the region and reprehensible on a moral level.

The Revolutionary Republic also reiterates it is completely within the right of the state to enforce our own economic penalties where seen fit and that the Auxor people have a right to determine who the Revolutionary Republic should have economic ties with. There is a well established tradition in geopolitics of pursuing conflict through economics, rather than arms - through a nationwide strike held in protest by one people against the inhumanities of another. Indeed, Auxorii views the permission of any ‘Tatemite state granted to pursue business with aggressive, war pursuing nations as inconsistent with libertarian values.

Auxorii is not interested in having economic, or any other kind of ties, with nations that take frivolous and inconsistent positions that threaten the security of the region and peace among peoples.

We stand by our condemnation of such nations, if they were to act in such a way; and stand by our promise to pursue economic sanctions on such nations as well as the withdrawal of any Auxor diplomatic missions.

The Free Republic will not allow the sale of weapons to aggressors directly

Auxorii, Rateria, Southern Cone

You would think that the biggest poltical scandal since Watergate would be talked about more but nope

Narland, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:You would think that the biggest poltical scandal since Watergate would be talked about more but nope

Which one is it?

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:You would think that the biggest poltical scandal since Watergate would be talked about more but nope

I know right? The White House was stocked with the knock-off brand Craeter’s chocolate chip ice cream instead of Graeter’s chocolate chip. Oh, the humanity! Wait... what Watergate? Was that even a thing? ...

The MSM is going to blithely ignore anything that shows how corrupt our administrative State is (even if it destroys our country), it is going to protect Biden at all costs (btw Hunter's favorite food is chicken pot pie), and it is going to vilify to the maximum any serious contender against the re-election of Biden to the throne, er presidency (Orange Man bad. Puny humans who vote for him bad. Badder than Hitler, Badder than Mussel... Musell.. Fascist Chin Guy... and even worster than Ron Paul!)

Southern Cone, Nordhessir

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Southern Cone wrote:Which one is it?

The Obama administration spying on the trump campaign

Narland, Southern Cone, Mirina

Hi!

I used to be a member of the International Republican Union, REATO, and ran a couple RP regions allied to the IRU.

Auxorii, Rateria, Southern Cone, Nordhessir

South Otselic wrote:Hi!

I used to be a member of the International Republican Union, REATO, and ran a couple RP regions allied to the IRU.

Welcome

South Otselic, Auxorii, Rateria

South Otselic wrote:Hi!

I used to be a member of the International Republican Union, REATO, and ran a couple RP regions allied to the IRU.

I remember the IRU I was there until it folded and than came here

South Otselic, Rateria

DeSantis is in. I really hope that people see he's the best choice to win the general in 2024

Southern Cone

Suzi Island wrote:DeSantis is in. I really hope that people see he's the best choice to win the general in 2024

But I'm supporting whomever is the GOP candidate in the general

Suzi Island wrote:DeSantis is in. I really hope that people see he's the best choice to win the general in 2024

DeSantis or Tim Scott are the best options for the GOP, but I'm on team DeSantis. Trump is just too geriatric and he's too unpopular to beat Biden. DeSantis is younger and just about matches Trump's energy. DeSantis is 100% the way to go.

Of course I would love Rand Paul to become President but he has the charisma of a dead goldfish. Brilliant guy and proud to call him my Senator.

South Otselic, Southern Cone

Nosam Republic wrote:DeSantis or Tim Scott are the best options for the GOP, but I'm on team DeSantis. Trump is just too geriatric and he's too unpopular to beat Biden. DeSantis is younger and just about matches Trump's energy. DeSantis is 100% the way to go.

Of course I would love Rand Paul to become President but he has the charisma of a dead goldfish. Brilliant guy and proud to call him my Senator.

Rand Paul for Secretary of Treasury, and Special Council to the President for Reduction and Elimination of all Extra-Constitutional Entities.

We're still supporting Trump over here. I tend to see things through. Trump has unfinished business with the corrupt deep state bad cops and faithless bureacrats. The administrative state is so scared of him they thought it was necessary to do a frame job on him, Reichstag fire his supporters with the January 6 set-up, and use the weight of the intelligence agencies to hide their criminal activities. Sending Trump back to the White House is a signal their despotic lawlessness will not longer be tolerated.

The unAmerican Administrative State does not seem to be afraid of DeSantis to the same extent, if at all. I would support him for VP, but not for president at this time. Perhaps in 2028.

Presently I am supporting the GOP candidates in this order -->

Trump then Elder then Ramaswamay then Scott then possibly DeSantis. I will not work against anyone that the Establishment GOP likes or supports.

I am still angry about the RNC backstabbing Reagan in 1975, (not to mention robbing Paul of the Iowa Straw poll victory, and their dragging their feet for the last 50 years over RoeVWade). I want to see the RNC eliminated from its usurpation of the Federal GOP altogether and returned back to being an administrative and exploratory body that works with the State Chairs for national unity instead of against them or see then divorced from the GOP altogether.

Miri Islands, Southern Cone, Nordhessir

Narland wrote:We're still supporting Trump over here. I tend to see things through. Trump has unfinished business with the corrupt deep state bad cops and faithless bureacrats.

This is part of my issue with trump. He had 4 years to drain the swamp yet he hardly did. And when Covid time rolled around he let Fauci run the country for a year. So much for draining the swamp i guess....

I will certainly vote for him if he is the Republican nominee, but I think he's had his time and should step away.

Plus, he's only 4 years younger than Biden, and as old as Reagan was when he left office. Both of whom got struck with dementia. Who knows if Trump is next, he hasn't looked as good in his recent appearances.

Narland, Southern Cone

I generally like DeSantis, but his decision to run seems to me like a strategic blunder. I also don't like that his decision seems to be influenced by some of the RINO donors like Ken Griffin. For better or worse, I do take for granted that Trump is going to be the Republican nominee (although I've been wrong before), and it would be a shame to see him turn DeSantis into the next Low Energy Jeb.

I do like Elder and Ramaswamy, and while I don't expect them to win, I hope they can pull the Overton window in the populist libertarian direction and hold Trump's feet to the fire on topics like abolishing the Department of Education and FBI, or making Schedule F a public topic of discussion, or pressing Trump on why he feels justified in appointing Gina Haspel to the (Deputy) Directorship of the CIA, banning bump stocks by executive order, creating CISA which is now attempting to police our "cognitive infrastructure", a whole array of horrible decisions throughout 2020, and why he didn't pardon Assange for the crime of journalism. Maybe they can find positions in the next administration.

Now, I know Bobby Kennedy is a statist, but he's clear-eyed on a lot of the problems we're facing (and he's gotten better on things like crypto) and I'm hopeful he can move the Overton window for the Dems back to social liberalism from their current neo-Marxist outlook. He is too sympathetic to government as a solution to problems, but I think even he has the potential of being a decent president since he knows who many of the enemies are. I just hope he can avoid what has become the family fate.

Is Dave Smith still looking like he could be the Libertarian nominee?

Narland

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