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New Tampa wrote:I mean he probably is burning in hell, so they aren't wrong there.

I don't have too many opinions on the guy, but he was someone who used his network to mock those who died of aids, compared gay marriage to 'normalizing pedophilia', etc.

I'm not celebrating nor mourning his death, but yeah, anyone who would do those things isn't of good moral character.

Even if not 'good' its pretty understandable for anyone who is lgbtq+ to be gloating over his death.

If some prominent member of the KKK died I, nor most other black people would be sheading any tears over it, that's for damn sure.

And while comparing him to the Klan may not be the most accurate comparison, thats how I would imagine it would feel like to those Limbaugh hated.

Limbaugh wasn’t perfect, as no man is. He expressed regret over those comments and he wishes he never said them - when you’re on radio for that long, you’re gonna have some bad quotes - it’s better not to judge people off of their worst traits, which is something democrats love to do.

Miencraft, Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Afrikanerstan

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Skaveria wrote:I just don't like how callous our society is getting.

I see people, some of whom I know aren't even religious, going out of their way, against their own criticisms of fundamentalist belief, to wish torment on someone. It's nasty stuff.

I mean yeah I agree and feel that sentiment tbh.

But despite my not liking it, I've acknowledged or accepted that's how it is, (for the detriment of society) for now, at least.

Skaveria wrote:Wishing death or eternal torture on ANYONE is messed up.

This I disagree with as I think some definitely deserve it.

Mainly those who commit, participate or lead in genocides, like Hitler and Stalin.

That's not a category of which a radio host falls under, but obviously others have other standards, which are much lower then my criteria.

Again, for the detriment of society, but, not like there's a simple way to change it, so acknowledgment of why is all that can be done.

Rateria

Auxorii wrote:Limbaugh wasn’t perfect, as no man is. He expressed regret over those comments and he wishes he never said them - when you’re on radio for that long, you’re gonna have some bad quotes - it’s better not to judge people off of their worst traits, which is something democrats love to do.

Eh, bad quotes is a pretty big simplification.

Him celebrating, or at the very least getting humor from, the death of people because it was from aids, is a pretty direct view of what his true moral character is.

Obviously after getting outrage/pushback for it he stopped, but that's the case with most 'controversial' or bad things that catch the eye of the public, rarely do peopled double down when called out on things like that.

Ironic that a man who cheered other's deaths is now having his death cheered.

If there's anyone who was outraged over what Limbaugh said, and is also outraged about people celebrating his death, then that is great, those people are of a rare and good character.

But otherwise, its a double standard.

Rateria

New Tampa wrote:Eh, bad quotes is a pretty big simplification.

Him celebrating, or at the very least getting humor from, the death of people because it was from aids, is a pretty direct view of what his true moral character is.

Obviously after getting outrage/pushback for it he stopped, but that's the case with most 'controversial' or bad things that catch the eye of the public, rarely do peopled double down when called out on things like that.

Ironic that a man who cheered other's deaths is now having his death cheered.

If there's anyone who was outraged over what Limbaugh said, and is also outraged about people celebrating his death, then that is great, those people are of a rare and good character.

But otherwise, its a double standard.

Bad quotes isn’t a pretty big simplification. Everybody has said things in bad taste and either for immature or other bad reasons. People develop over life and while it may have been a “good indication of his moral character” at the time (though I’d be haste to ever do that, let alone off of a single comment) he said he regretted it and it was one of the worst things he’s ever done. What more do you want from the guy?

And of course, that is a double standard - I am only speaking for Limbaugh.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

I tend to ignore what a few degenerates say on twitter. that place is a cesspool

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, New Tampa, Miri Islands

Auxorii wrote:Bad quotes isn’t a pretty big simplification. Everybody has said things in bad taste and either for immature or other bad reasons. People develop over life and while it may have been a “good indication of his moral character” at the time (though I’d be haste to ever do that, let alone off of a single comment) he said he regretted it and it was one of the worst things he’s ever done. What more do you want from the guy?

And of course, that is a double standard - I am only speaking for Limbaugh.

Did he really regret them? If so, admitting that would be a sign of maturity and growth for him. Not everyone can admit that they were wrong.

Auxorii, New Tampa

Rateria wrote:Did he really regret them? If so, admitting that would be a sign of maturity and growth for him. Not everyone can admit that they were wrong.

The New York Times reported that Limbaugh eventually stopped the segment after a few weeks and said it was "very insensitive to people who were dying."

He called it one of the "most regretful things I've ever done.”

Rateria

Rateria wrote:Did he really regret them? If so, admitting that would be a sign of maturity and growth for him. Not everyone can admit that they were wrong.

I didn't know him personally, but am acquainted enough with someone who does to know that he was a sincere man who grew and matured over the years to love people in spite of their moral stupidity. And People in groups are morally stupid in their natural state of savagery to the point of irredeemable evil. The miracle is when people as groups actually accomplish some form of indelible beneficence or a lasting good.

Wise people can go one of two directions in life -- they can become more cynical and grow to hate everybody (sometimes themselves as well) in order to justify their existence. More often than not they end up loving the concept of "humanity" or certain types of individuals, but ironically end up hating people in general and certain individuals in particular) corrupting their wisdom into profane foolishness.

Or, they realize that we are all equally flawed human beings who are all in the same boat sinking or swimming together on this spinning rock who need more than one second chance at redemption without getting others killed. That is the tricky part. Bad ideas get people killed -- murdered by the millions.

On the other hand, good ideas allow people to be free to live, love, make mistakes (without getting themselves and others killed), and learn and grow from those mistakes into greatness. The latter (according to one who did know him) is what Rosh was, and believed. His greatness was based on the soundness of the goodness of the ideas he espoused.

Good ideas are based on Objective truth, do justice impartially, and act in loving-kindness. Rush became man enough to apologize and repent for various things he did and said as he grew and developed distinguishing the persons infected with bad ideas from the bad ideas (that get millions killed) themselves. He loved America because the Ideas that America is founded on -- Truth, Justice, Liberty, Free Enterprise and Equality are noble concepts worth loving and emulating. Those things that America has done that do not live up to those impeccable standards needs to be decried, rejected, and reformed (as each generation of Americans (including Rush) have done.)

Rateria

there should be a law that makes congressional bills less than 50 pages

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Nosam Republic

New Tampa wrote:....

If there's anyone who was outraged over what Limbaugh said, and is also outraged about people celebrating his death, then that is great, those people are of a rare and good character.

But otherwise, its a double standard.

How many people are defending his comments on people dying of Aids? Anyone? He didn't even defend that, he said what he did was terrible. I see plenty of people saying what he said was terrible and then celebrate his death. If mocking someone who died of an incurable disease is bad why is it okay to mock Rush, who died of cancer?

Miencraft, Auxorii, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:there should be a law that makes congressional bills less than 50 pages

But that’s a pipe dream I know

Suzi Island wrote:there should be a law that makes congressional bills less than 50 pages

Nah, how about mandatory sunset clauses for bills with less than 2/3 majority

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:Nah, how about mandatory sunset clauses for bills with less than 2/3 majority

How about we just mandate that they stop making laws

Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands

Miencraft wrote:How about we just mandate that they stop making laws

Now there's a law I can love

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:Now there's a law I can love

Laws are against the law!

Miencraft

remember a year ago today when nancy pelosi said it was safe to gather in large groups in chinatown

Narland

I missed Trump at CPAC how was he?

Suzi Island wrote:I missed Trump at CPAC how was he?

Who?

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Vichtander, Afrikanerstan

I'm tired of being angry all the time. Is there any chance the hippies were right and we can all just sing a big kumbya and get along? It's just too much to care about anymore. Makes me want a cabin in the mountains. The air there is so crisp.

Republic Of Minerva, Vichtander, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:I'm tired of being angry all the time. Is there any chance the hippies were right and we can all just sing a big kumbya and get along? It's just too much to care about anymore. Makes me want a cabin in the mountains. The air there is so crisp.

Sounds like you just want to eat Xanax

Vichtander

Skaveria wrote:I'm tired of being angry all the time. Is there any chance the hippies were right and we can all just sing a big kumbya and get along? It's just too much to care about anymore. Makes me want a cabin in the mountains. The air there is so crisp.

Nature is the best relaxant

Suzi Island wrote:Nature is the best relaxant

Bet you’ve never been stuck with morphine.

Republic Of Minerva

all us libertarians want is our own peace of land, away from the humdrum of society, nothing to bother us, pure bliss all around

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Bet you’ve never been stuck with morphine.

Fair enough

Suzi Island wrote:I missed Trump at CPAC how was he?

He started with the ego, "Do you miss me yet?" Then he praised the American people for their work ethic and vision, and that we've got quite a journey ahead of us. That in the end, the American People will win. "As we gather this week, we're in the middle of a historic struggle for America's future, America's culture and America's institutions, borders, and most cherished principles. Our security, our prosperity, and our very identity as Americans is at stake, like perhaps at no other time." That we will be victorious over the "Establishment" and powerful interest groups, America will be stronger than before.

It was long and Trumpy. He touched the usual talking points of Conservatives against Leftists. Almost all of which I agree -- as long as it is done in the spirit of Liberty, and that where we must all be wary. Whether you support Trump wholeheartedly are are very reserved about him, Liberty and Equality is the goal, not entrenching a new political establishment.

Here are some some of his quotes:

"For the next four years, the brave Republicans in this room will be at the heart of the effort to oppose the radical Democrats, the fake news media and their toxic cancel culture, something new to our ears, cancel culture. And I want you to know that I'm going to continue to fight right by your side. We will do what we've done right from the beginning, which is to win."

"We will be united and strong like never before, we will save and strengthen America. We will fight the onslaught of radicalism, socialism, and indeed it all leads to communism once and for all. That's what it leads to. You'll be hearing more and more about that as we go along, but that's what it leads to."

"Biden has failed in his number one duty as chief executive, enforcing America's laws. This alone should be reason enough for Democrats to suffer withering losses in the midterms and to lose the white house decisively four years from now." Because of these things democrats will suffer withering losses in 2 and 4 years. "Actually, as you know, they just lost the white house, but it's one of those. But who knows? Who knows, I may even decide to beat them for a third time, okay?"

"The future of the Republican Party is as a party that defends the social, economic, and cultural interests and values of working American families of every race, color, and creed."

"And that's why I'm announcing that I will be actively working to elect strong, tough and smart Republican leaders. Speaking of that, I heard Jim Jordan did a great job. I heard that from Mark Meadows. I heard it. Oh, there he is. Look at that. Hi Jim. I heard you were great. In fact, I hated to follow you. I want to follow other people. I could name them too. I like to follow other people."

He described the coining of the word Trumpism which sounds very much like Reform Party platform. He discussed getting rid of the grand-standers (never trumpers, neocons and Establishment types). He named names. He discussed how vicious and amalgamated Democrats are and how much like "herding cats" -- my terms the Republicans are. That it is important to get the right people in the party who respect the american people and their families. (I didn't get the quote on that.) The last 4 paragraphs of his speech were typical of his goals. I will post them separately.

Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:I missed Trump at CPAC how was he?

Trump Continued... Last four paragraphs of his ACU CPAC speech...

"If you want to help us take back the future of our country, go to donaldjtrump.com. I don't do this. I've never done this. But it's time that we have to put forces together because these people with their big tech and the fake news media right back there. Okay. And when you talk about election, they turn off. When you talk about... They probably have them going, because they also care about ratings. But when they talk about election, they turn off the cameras. You know why? It's a very sore subject. Okay? They don't like that subject. There's only one way to contribute to our efforts, to elect America first Republican conservatives. And in turn, to make America great again. And that's through Save America PAC and donaldjtrump.com. So go out there and do whatever you can because we're going to help a lot of great people.

We know the right people to help. We need your help to win and to fight big tech and the radical left and the DC establishment. We need to save your Second Amendment, which is under siege. We need to help protect funding for our military and for our great vets. And that's what we're doing. As we discussed earlier, we're in a struggle for the survival of America as we know it. This is a struggle. This is a terrible, terrible, painful struggle. The path ahead will not be easy, but we will win. We are going to win. Ultimately we always win. And when we do, history will show that this was the moment when we could have given up, when we could have despaired, but instead we chose to keep on pushing forward. The greater the challenge and tougher the task, the more determined we must be to pull through to triumph. We have to have triumph. We have to have victory.

With the talent and dedication of everyone here today ... And you have tremendous, not only dedication, tremendous talent in this room. I know many of you. That is exactly what we will do. We will go on to victory. We will summon the spirit of generations of American patriots before us, like those heroes who crossed the Delaware, conquered the Rockies, stormed the beaches, won the battles and tamed the unknown frontiers. We will persist and we will prevail. We're tougher than they are. We're stronger than they are. Together, in the coming years, we will carry forward the torch of American liberty. We will lead the conservative movement and the Republican Party back to a totally conclusive victory. And we've had tremendous victories. Don't ever forget it. With your help, we will take back the House. We will win the Senate. And then a Republican President will make a triumphant return to the White House. And I wonder who that will be? I wonder who that will be. Who, who will that be? I wonder.

Standing before you today, I am supremely confident that for our movement, for our party and for our country, our brightest days are just ahead. And that together we will make America prouder, freer, stronger and greater than it ever has been before. Thank you, CPAC. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you."

Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:I missed Trump at CPAC how was he?

As long as he keeps his Disestablishmentarian and deregulation focus, he has my support. He needs to get fiscally disciplined. Low taxes are worthless if the government is going to spend money like a drunk sailor. As an entrepreneur, I hope he never forgets that wealth and prosperity come from free and open markets of a free people living lawfully in a free society with all of their rights to life, liberty, and property intact. He is correct that the battle must be waged against Establishmentarianism, Socialism, and Communism.

But he must be more clear that the battle is for Federalism, Constitutionalism, Truth, and Justice to promote Liberty and Equality if America is to continue without permanantly going over to the Dark Side, like what created the USSR, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and the parade of nations afterwhich destroyed themselves and brought death, destruction, and lasting poverty billions of people to much of the planet since.

Miri Islands

Trump isn't very smart sending a fur clad barbarian waving a flag with a motley crew of at least one Antifa Leader, and 300 others who didn't know what was going on to wage insurrection by taking a trespass tour of the Capitol Building.

At least Thailand did it right. insurrection means replacing the current wielders of power by replacing them by military force (which for the US would take a literal army). Which party is wielding the military force of troops with an army that is currently occupying DC with razor wire? It isn't Trump or his supporters.

Narland wrote:Trump isn't very smart sending a fur clad barbarian waving a flag with a motley crew of at least one Antifa Leader, and 300 others who didn't know what was going on to wage insurrection by taking a trespass tour of the Capitol Building.

At least Thailand did it right. insurrection means replacing the current wielders of power by replacing them by military force (which for the US would take a literal army). Which party is wielding the military force of troops with an army that is currently occupying DC with razor wire? It isn't Trump or his supporters.

It’s ok when they do it

the fur clad barbarian had more balls than half of the supposed armchair revolutionaries out there

Narland, Vichtander

This game makes absolutely no sense. I permitted concealed carry and weaponization went down. Like wtf.

Narland, Rateria, Miri Islands

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Nosam Republic wrote:This game makes absolutely no sense. I permitted concealed carry and weaponization went down. Like wtf.

Max Berry is biased against Libertarians and so is his algorithm. His book is basically a parody critique of Libertarianism.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva

Nosam Republic wrote:This game makes absolutely no sense. I permitted concealed carry and weaponization went down. Like wtf.

Ever ban free press than have your political freedom go up?

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:Ever ban free press than have your political freedom go up?

Not had that happen to me cuz I've never banned free press. But that's pretty damn stupid.

Also, when did the WA become so freaking leftist? It's like they took a hairpin turn to the left and aren't looking back.

Nosam Republic wrote:This game makes absolutely no sense. I permitted concealed carry and weaponization went down. Like wtf.

This game isn't supposed to make sense; it's whole concept is nonsensical

Narland, Rateria

Nosam Republic wrote:Also, when did the WA become so freaking leftist? It's like they took a hairpin turn to the left and aren't looking back.

Let's see, the WA was formed in 2008, so...

13 years ago.

Narland, Miri Islands

Nosam Republic wrote:Not had that happen to me cuz I've never banned free press. But that's pretty damn stupid.

Also, when did the WA become so freaking leftist? It's like they took a hairpin turn to the left and aren't looking back.

The WA is a lot less leftist then it used to be.

Communists / NSLeft legit had pretty dominant power in it 2016-2018, now its more controlled by liberals / social democrats

Narland, Auxorii

New Tampa wrote:The WA is a lot less leftist then it used to be.

Communists / NSLeft legit had pretty dominant power in it 2016-2018, now its more controlled by liberals / social democrats

Ah I see. It's been fairly tame in my experience, though I haven't payed much attention to it. But it seems to me just recently that it's gotten much more radical

Narland

NS was fun when I was age 12~16. People who play are retarded.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Auxorii

giant international organization is leftist, news at 11

the only winning move is not to play

Narland

Republic Of Minerva wrote:giant international organization is leftist, news at 11

the only winning move is not to play

Yea, that's why I haven't joined the WA

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:Yea, that's why I haven't joined the WA

Or you can join to vote against all resolutions, and vote for all repeals.

Narland, Auxorii, Nosam Republic

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:NS was fun when I was age 12~16. People who play are retarded.

Hey now, some of us are just late bloomerz. Or something like that.

Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots

Skaveria wrote:Max Berry is biased against Libertarians and so is his algorithm. His book is basically a parody critique of Libertarianism.

aren't the issues submitted by users though

Rateria

Post self-deleted by Narland.

The States Of Balloon wrote:aren't the issues submitted by users though
I think both play a factor. The original questions reflected the book, and Max Berry wrote the questions. Those who took up the mantle reflect reflections of the book, etc.

I would like to see a bunch questions submitted by the Mises Institute, or Reason.org with their calculations.

The States Of Balloon wrote:aren't the issues submitted by users though

The people submitting the issues don't decide what the results of the choices are.

Skaveria

The States Of Balloon wrote:aren't the issues submitted by users though

Yes, but the outcomes are determined by mods. How much whichever graph goes up or down and by what percentage.

Hard to believe “two weeks” turned into one year

Narland, Auxorii, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:Hard to believe “two weeks” turned into one year

Not that hard when you remember that government is government.

Narland, Vichtander, New Tampa, Miri Islands

Miencraft wrote:Not that hard when you remember that government is government.

True, the government generally takes a year to get done what the private sector can do in two weeks

Narland

I have a hard time explaining my opposition to the mask mandates and shutdowns without them thinking I don't care if people die.

I was in a conversation with someone where they expressed they wished Americans would've complied with the mandate so we could be done with this already.

I pointed out that the thing she was actually complaining about was the shutdowns, and that "just comply so they'll stop." Is the attitude of an enslaved populace.

"But people are dying."

I don't know how to look at someone I care about and say "Are they?" Without them immediately thinking I'm a selfish bastard.

Vichtander

Why does legalizing child labor increase taxes lol

Auxorii, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:I have a hard time explaining my opposition to the mask mandates and shutdowns without them thinking I don't care if people die.

I was in a conversation with someone where they expressed they wished Americans would've complied with the mandate so we could be done with this already.

I pointed out that the thing she was actually complaining about was the shutdowns, and that "just comply so they'll stop." Is the attitude of an enslaved populace.

"But people are dying."

I don't know how to look at someone I care about and say "Are they?" Without them immediately thinking I'm a selfish bastard.

>caring if people die

ISHYGDDT

Afrikanerstan wrote:Why does legalizing child labor increase taxes lol

More labor to tax

Afrikanerstan

Skaveria wrote:I have a hard time explaining my opposition to the mask mandates and shutdowns without them thinking I don't care if people die.

I was in a conversation with someone where they expressed they wished Americans would've complied with the mandate so we could be done with this already.

I pointed out that the thing she was actually complaining about was the shutdowns, and that "just comply so they'll stop." Is the attitude of an enslaved populace.

"But people are dying."

I don't know how to look at someone I care about and say "Are they?" Without them immediately thinking I'm a selfish bastard.

At first, it was either wear a mask or keep a meters distance. NOT BOTH. It is liars and cheats who move goalposts. Those who will lie to your face will have no problems cheating you of your life, liberty or property if they can rationalize it so in their heads.

Virulent forms of the flu are more deadly for healthy people (healthy -- fully functioning immune system) under 60 than Covid.

1. Washing hands,

2. not licking oneself or poking one's face,

3. keeping a meters distance,

4. staying outside in the sunshine,

5. occaisional fresh breezing by keeping one's windows and curtains open,

6. using copious amounts of bleach and ammonia (never at the same in the 7. same place oc),

8. wearing freshly laundered clothes when leaving one's domicile

9. bathing regularly with real soap (or mild detergents)

and

10 maintaining a healthy immune system

are all demonstrably more effective (science) by a magnitudes than just wearing a face gag on one's head. And except for #3 everyone should be doing this anyway.

Its easy over here in rural Idaho (and many rural states). If you want to wear a face diaper to feel morally superior to everyone else (even though the full efficacy of a surgical mask is 3% (statistically negligible)), you are free to do so. If you do or do not nobody cares.

I would recommend the book: "Live Not By Lies", by Rod Dreher. It is a warning by those who lived through Communist subversion of their countries. It is good advice irrespective of one's political spectrum.

I am also reading "Slaying Leviathan" by Glenn Sunshine for a look at the task of ridding ourselves of unlawful coercion by misgovernance.

Miencraft

***anectdote alert*** Took a minute to remember what she said.

I had an encounter in a grocery store. A Nancy (we call them Nancies or Debras over here) got in my face for not wearing a mask while entering a store. I just got back in the psychotic woman's face. I wasn't angry so it was hard to be loud back. In my best debaters voice, I asked at a yell, "Did you bathe, wash your hands, and wear freshly laundered clothes before leaving the house?

It took her aback, and she shot back, "I don' t have to. Not wearing a masks makes me feel unsafe. Yada Yada"

I shot back, "You didn't? Why do you want people to die? It is wear a mask or keep a meters distance. Get your facts straight!." I think I added "Lady!" at the end.

She yelled some obscenities at me and continued shopping. Once she noticed that only some of the people were wearing masks she calmed down -- this is small town Idaho. But she didn't leave -- She continued shopping. She was just another pretentious jerk who had an encounter with an unassuming jerk, me. My hope is that she is less volitile next time. She could run into some really mean people that would just as soon punch her lights out than stand up to her with words.

***end anecdote alert***

Those who are so afraid of dying that they cannot live their lives and won't let others live theirs, are the worst type of despots.

One of its names is the tyranny of the weaker brother. The little brother uses his weaker status to get the big brothers to ascede to his demands. The big brother puts up with it because he is family but eventually it becomes unthinking ingrained habit. For some it is an adrenelin rush, and they are addicted to the power its pretension wreaks on others who are too weak willed to resist.

They are playing both the coward and bully, plain and simple. The best way to resist is to speak back to the lies and the deceit.

If they really cared about others they would keep their mouths shut until they read the data themselves to know what they are talking about. If they don't have access to read the raw data to form their own opinion, then they cannot form their own well reasoned opinion. They are forced to parroting someone else's. Opinions are like armpits and terminal alimentary sphincters -- Almost everyone has at least one and it usually stinks. And why someone would want someone else's is beyond me.

A wise person is cautious while letting things run their natural course. A foolish person tries micromanage everything --banning this, and exacting that as though their good intentions are all that is needed. No sane person lets any coward lead anything. A wise person lets a bully have just enough power so the bully either does himself in or learns hard from the consequences such that they never want to do so again.

Miencraft

The worst thing is that states giving there citizens their freedom back (Texas, Florida, et al) are lambasted by the media and leftists who would rather us cower in fear. (This gives the media what they want: ratings and what the leftists want: power.

Miencraft, New Tampa

What do you guys think of the scandals Governor Cuomo is facing? Do you think they will be the things to tank his career?

Rateria wrote:What do you guys think of the scandals Governor Cuomo is facing? Do you think they will be the things to tank his career?

Well, being terrible to begin with didn’t tank his career.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, New Tampa

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Well, being terrible to begin with didn’t tank his career.

I see where you’re coming from, but sexual assault allegations and sending infected elderly people into nursing homes then plotting a coverup still look pretty bad, to understate it. Both establishment and not-so-establishment Dems are calling for his resignation, but we’ll see how that goes. I doubt he’ll actually resign barring any new revelations about these things.

Edit: I had the thought that any party-approved successor would have similar views but possibly not be tainted by these scandals. They’ll probably be another establishment liberal, or something like that.

Narland, New Tampa

Skaveria wrote:I have a hard time explaining my opposition to the mask mandates and shutdowns without them thinking I don't care if people die.

I was in a conversation with someone where they expressed they wished Americans would've complied with the mandate so we could be done with this already.

I pointed out that the thing she was actually complaining about was the shutdowns, and that "just comply so they'll stop." Is the attitude of an enslaved populace.

"But people are dying."

I don't know how to look at someone I care about and say "Are they?" Without them immediately thinking I'm a selfish bastard.

"You just want people to die" I love Remy. Anyway libertarians get hung up on this all the time. Say: I don't think there should be seatbelt laws. And you will get the "you just want people to die" stique rather than the actual position of believing people should be responsible for their own safety. That being said there should be laws that prevent people from causing harm through negligence like firing a gun into the air and drunk driving

Narland, Rateria, New Tampa, Afrikanerstan

Rateria wrote:I see where you’re coming from, but sexual assault allegations and sending infected elderly people into nursing homes then plotting a coverup still look pretty bad, to understate it. Both establishment and not-so-establishment Dems are calling for his resignation, but we’ll see how that goes. I doubt he’ll actually resign barring any new revelations about these things.

Edit: I had the thought that any party-approved successor would have similar views but possibly not be tainted by these scandals. They’ll probably be another establishment liberal, or something like that.

The democrats dont care about the nursing home scandal at all.

But as for the sexual harassment / misconduct things, it will hard to get over those now that there's 6+? Women accusing him, AND actual evidence exists for some of these cases.

Narland, Rateria, Afrikanerstan

Miri Islands wrote:"You just want people to die" I love Remy. Anyway libertarians get hung up on this all the time. Say: I don't think there should be seatbelt laws. And you will get the "you just want people to die" stique rather than the actual position of believing people should be responsible for their own safety. That being said there should be laws that prevent people from causing harm through negligence like firing a gun into the air and drunk driving

Stique? do you mean schtick?

Narland

Miencraft wrote:steek

No, Homer we can't afford steek

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:No, Homer we can't afford steek

20 dollars? But I wanted a peanut!

Miencraft, Narland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:20 dollars? But I wanted a peanut!

20 dollars can buy you many peanuts.

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots

Suzi Island wrote:20 dollars can buy you many peanuts.

Explain how.

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:Explain how.

Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

Miencraft, Narland

The WA is a giant joke. Two joke condemnations in a row made it to the floor.

Auxorii, Cavisco

Nosam Republic wrote:The WA is a giant joke. Two joke condemnations in a row made it to the floor.

It’s cause the extreme leftist regions have all the power.

Narland, Auxorii, Miri Islands

Cavisco wrote:It’s cause the extreme leftist regions have all the power.

I struggle to think of anything the left doesn't completely dominate except internet culture

Narland, Auxorii, Cavisco

Miri Islands wrote:I struggle to think of anything the left doesn't completely dominate except internet culture

Even still, they rule a good chunk of it

Narland, Auxorii, Cavisco

Miri Islands wrote:I struggle to think of anything the left doesn't completely dominate except internet culture

And if you point out that they dominate everything you’re a conspiracy theorist who watches fox news

Narland, Auxorii

Libertatem’s official position on crack is that it should be mandatory.

Republic Of Minerva, Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Cavisco wrote:And if you point out that they dominate everything you’re a conspiracy theorist who watches fox news

The gaslighting is so infuriating. "40% of college professors in the humanities and social sciences are self-avowed Marxists."

"ArE yOu ReAlLy ScArEd Of CoLlEgE sTuDeNtS?"

"No, but those students grow up to become teachers, advertising executives, journalists, HR professionals, ect..."

Miencraft, Narland, Vichtander, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa, Miri Islands, Cavisco

Skaveria wrote:The gaslighting is so infuriating. "40% of college professors in the humanities and social sciences are self-avowed Marxists."

"ArE yOu ReAlLy ScArEd Of CoLlEgE sTuDeNtS?"

"No, but those students grow up to become teachers, advertising executives, journalists, HR professionals, ect..."

We already lost the culture war

Suzi Island wrote:We already lost the culture war

We lost the culture war a long time ago. Leftists have been playing it for decades, seems like we just found out about it five years ago.

Thankyou GOP, you've done positively NOTHING culturally since Goldwater. Reagan gets a pass because he was busy destroying the Soviets.

But EVERYONE ELSE, every Republican after Goldwater's campaign besides Reagan is culpable for the negligence that led us to this place. Also Trump gets a pass obviously. Also Ron Paul gets a pass.

But THAT'S it, Reagan, RON Paul, and Trump. Every other Republican has been garbage on this.

Narland

Skaveria wrote:We lost the culture war a long time ago. Leftists have been playing it for decades, seems like we just found out about it five years ago.

Thankyou GOP, you've done positively NOTHING culturally since Goldwater. Reagan gets a pass because he was busy destroying the Soviets.

But EVERYONE ELSE, every Republican after Goldwater's campaign besides Reagan is culpable for the negligence that led us to this place. Also Trump gets a pass obviously. Also Ron Paul gets a pass.

But THAT'S it, Reagan, RON Paul, and Trump. Every other Republican has been garbage on this.

Neither Reagon nor Trump get a pass. No statist gets a pass.

x

Suzi Island wrote:We already lost the culture war

It ain't over till its over.

Liberals (actual Liberals, not illiberals masqing as "liberals"), Conservatives (actual Conservatives, not those failing to conserve Classical Liberalism of Evangelical Christianity), and Libertarians (of any stripe that recognize Objective reality) are very capable of fixing the unconstitutional mess the criminals in government are pushing. Pushing Statism violating the rights of any citizen and the natural rights of any human withing the jurisdiction of every state in the US. Start calling out the crimes of the establishment Democrats and Republicans. Put them on the defense.

Most Americans still like the ideas of freedom and self-government. Those who present a united front against the Statists in our midst to return back to the Liberty and Equality enshrined in the Constitution since the Reconstruction Amendments in the 1860s and the start of the Civil Rights Acts to reinforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments from 1876 onward currently have the upper hand and can squash the Marxist (International Socialists), National Socialists, and Fascists (Corporato-Socialists) quite readily if they are called out for the socialists lying, cheating, murdering scum of ideas that they perpetuate. Socialism cannot be defended on any level except to lie, cheat, steal from, and murder those who point out its infeasing unworkability.

The most natural form of governance for freedom and prosperity for everyone severally to willfully participate has always been, and for the foreseeable future will be constitutional government that supports truth, justice, and peace for the purpose of limited government, and maximal liberty. History bears this out. Any other form is evil (causes harm).

All forms of government that do not allow the People to have the freedom to grow and develop into maturity and productivity of their own self-interest as what seems best for that individual acting lawfully and charitable of their own accord (i.e., the gov doesn't lie, cheat, steal, defraud, or otherwise deprive the the life, liberty, and justly gained property of others) fail spectacularly to the order and magnitude that they deny the natural law/order of reality regarding these things. In other words any other form of government are criminal -- they coerce or defraud to the extent they do not practice these concepts. Connect with organizations who have the facts and truth and push back against the darkness. Make a practice of it, and rise to the occasion.

culture war is a marxist ploy. Who cares about marry xmas vs happy holidays? This is a deception, the real battles is be allowed to speak at all

Miencraft, Auxorii

Cavisco wrote:And if you point out that they dominate everything you’re a conspiracy theorist who watches fox news

Q-Anom is everywhere! Ask any flat-earther. OC there are probably multitudes more flat-earthers than there are actual Q=anoners.

Q-Anon crashed with all the grace and subtlety of a bungled CIA psyop. How many Conservatives can we get to join a fake group? It has all the moral stupidity of a typical agiprop recruiting campaign of bad acting (both meanings) by what illiberal Leftists think American Right-Wing Conservatives are gullible of. And some Conservatives will be gullible/naive enough to join. The rest of us think it is laughably ubsurd.

If it isn't an alphabet soup campaign of incompetents, or a over funded shoddy privately funded ruse, I will be pleasantly surprised. It is nice to have all simple-minded people who are more of a danger to themselves than others in one organization anyway. The fact that the American Drive-By Media is screaming about it, its supposed founders, and its supposed aseity is ludicrous beyond belief for any thinking/thoughtful non-anti-intellectual (of any political persuasion).

The best conspiracies are history. Why? Because nothing happens in human events by accident. Those whose work together to succeed make history.

Q-Anon won't make history? Why? Because if is astroturf. Those who don't do anything to work together (but are merely gathered by others for propagated dupery) are casualties of history.

Skaveria wrote:We lost the culture war a long time ago. Leftists have been playing it for decades, seems like we just found out about it five years ago.

Thankyou GOP, you've done positively NOTHING culturally since Goldwater. Reagan gets a pass because he was busy destroying the Soviets.

But EVERYONE ELSE, every Republican after Goldwater's campaign besides Reagan is culpable for the negligence that led us to this place. Also Trump gets a pass obviously. Also Ron Paul gets a pass.

But THAT'S it, Reagan, RON Paul, and Trump. Every other Republican has been garbage on this.

Some of us have been fighting since Goldwater. We just haven't had traction to a watershed event until Trump. It has literally taken a lifetime to get this far.

Those of us who have grass-root campaigned under various (organized and unorganized) associations (almost always the same congregation of Americans) from JBS, Deacons, YAL, TEA Party, ACR, Mastodon, etc., are finally happy to see the day when Americans are waking up from the mickey they were slipped while partying in the 60s with establishment Fabians, and Marxist Cultural Revolutionaries.

When I was a kid in the 60s and a teen in the 70s an young man in the 80s, etc., Paleo-Conservatism was pronounced dead by the Progressive Republicans who had control of the GOP. They, along with Establishment Democrats, and Major Media were happy to drive the last nail in the coffin of Goldwater Conservatism and make sure that another Goldwater never happens again. Then came Reagan and they made sure that the Reagan Revolution was stillborn by 1988 and that another Reagan never happens again. Then came Kemp and he didn't get any traction. Then came Ron Paul, and the Establishment made sure another Ron Paul never happens again. Then came Trump, and he had enough traction to destroy the will of the Establishment GOP. If we loose this battle, there will never be another chance to live unmolested.

All this because of we, Deplorables clinging to our God, our guns and the Constitution, constantly fighting for truth, justice, liberty and liberty and the liberty and recognition of the rights of each and every individual regardless of race, color, creed, religion, and sex. We have never stopped fighting against the serfdom of Godless Communism in particular (mainifest as Political Correctness, and Wokemess), and the slavery of Statism in general. I am nearing the end of my days. If Khrushchev had had his way we would have fallen by 1968. I am glad we have survived this far with what liberties and rights we still have intact.

The Globalists/Establishmentarians are freaking out. They know that they must win the US over (by hook or crook) to being a failed Marxist (or pseudo-Marxist) state before 2024 or there is enough pushback and backlash to totally dismantle their Statism next time around. If they do push for a civil war, the Democrats will be on the loosing end, and since they (the Democrats) have been on the wrong side of history on every moral issue since the Civil War) they will not go unpunished this time around. This desperation is palpable in their ramming through HR1, the most racist, most enslaving and unconstitutional bill in US history.

All the while the grassroots have been here working behind the scenes trying to gain control of the local means of governance that the Eisenhower Republicans ceded to the Establhismentarians. What is important is returning to our roots through Revival, Repentance, and Reformation of our Founding Principles, and punishment (through due process of duly constituted jurists) of those who would coerce and defraud us from our heritage and birthright as human beings.

The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria, New Tampa

Republic Of Minerva wrote:culture war is a marxist ploy. Who cares about marry xmas vs happy holidays? This is a deception, the real battles is be allowed to speak at all

Dialectic Determinsm, the prefered tool of narcissists, Marxists, and hatemongers everywhere. It starts with getting people to quibble over words, with the intent to cause strife so that Marxists can step in with their totalitarianism of no speech.

Our military is so woke we fell asleep to the China threat

Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Cavisco

Skaveria wrote:The gaslighting is so infuriating. "40% of college professors in the humanities and social sciences are self-avowed Marxists."

"ArE yOu ReAlLy ScArEd Of CoLlEgE sTuDeNtS?"

"No, but those students grow up to become teachers, advertising executives, journalists, HR professionals, ect..."

>Hurr Durr, you're a hick if you don't trust the science that always says I'm right

No, I don't trust science anymore because it's full of Marxists paid by Marxists to come up with answers that are convenient to Marxists

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:>Hurr Durr, you're a hick if you don't trust the science that always says I'm right

No, I don't trust science anymore because it's full of Marxists paid by Marxists to come up with answers that are convenient to Marxists

No such thing as settled science

Miencraft, Narland

Suzi Island wrote:Our military is so woke we fell asleep to the China threat

Technically we have been asleep since the Boar (his KGB/GRU handle), Henry Kissinger successfully convinced the US State Dept to let the Chinese Communist Red Party to continue confusing, misusing, and abusing not just the Western Nations, but in oppressing its own People. NAFTA killed the wealth of opportunity to create wealth by the children of laborers of US Citizens since its inception allowing the utter failed command economics of China to get a footing into the world marketplace funded by US banksters more faithful to Globalism than to Liberty. The have become wealthy through the transfer of wealth by Globalists by dismantling American (and Western) economic infrastrutcture to China (until Trump) for over 40 years. Biden has appointed people in the reins of the US Departments who have no problem with the business as usual depleting America of its economic strength.

Audit the Fed. Return banking back to having to compete in the free markets like every other business must do. Return to freedom of currency that we had until 1913 -- anyone can use whatever currency that best holds up in the marketplace that any two parties freely agree. Get your state legislatures to end all taxes except local property taxes (by election bond) at municipal and county level, and whatever taxes the People of the State of wherein their citizenship resides directly concent by approbation.

Miri Islands wrote:>Hurr Durr, you're a hick if you don't trust the science that always says I'm right

No, I don't trust science anymore because it's full of Marxists paid by Marxists to come up with answers that are convenient to Marxists

Suzi Island wrote:No such thing as settled science

Technically, there is such a thing as settled science. It is rudimentary and basic (science proper). Mathematics, Logic, and the Evidentiary Procedures based on them, are tools for understanding knowledge. The tools improve, and the knowledge increases over time when the purpose is to objectively seek truth, justice, and goodness. The tools fail and knowledge is irredeemably corrupted when science becomes becomes either an end unto itself (Scientism), or wrongly used as tools for other means to other ends.

When there is a failure of both form and function, such as existential dialectics of deceit, coercion, and bullying so common today, science is no longer a body of reliably systematized knowledge allowing freedom of well reasoned opinion. It instead becomes a a weapon of mass destruction/propoganda (evil sense of the term) used to deprive and enslave people of their inherent rights. The problem is when people fail to distinguish when science is being used as a a technique, referenced as a body of knowledge, or misappropriated as a religion or worse some form of "magical thinking."

Science as unthinking "magical thinking" is always unsettling. :)

Rateria, Miri Islands

Narland wrote:Technically, there is such a thing as settled science. It is rudimentary and basic (science proper). Mathematics, Logic, and the Evidentiary Procedures based on them, are tools for understanding knowledge. The tools improve, and the knowledge increases over time when the purpose is to objectively seek truth, justice, and goodness. The tools fail and knowledge is irredeemably corrupted when science becomes becomes either an end unto itself (Scientism), or wrongly used as tools for other means to other ends.

When there is a failure of both form and function, such as existential dialectics of deceit, coercion, and bullying so common today, science is no longer a body of reliably systematized knowledge allowing freedom of well reasoned opinion. It instead becomes a a weapon of mass destruction/propoganda (evil sense of the term) used to deprive and enslave people of their inherent rights. The problem is when people fail to distinguish when science is being used as a a technique, referenced as a body of knowledge, or misappropriated as a religion or worse some form of "magical thinking."

Science as unthinking "magical thinking" is always unsettling. :)

Great response as usual narland

Rateria, Miri Islands

Jim Browning is a hero

Miencraft, Narland, Nosam Republic

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Jim Browning is a hero

He's truly an unsung hero

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

people are calling ron desantis a murderer no that's Cuomo

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:people are calling ron desantis a murderer no that's Cuomo

How tf is DeSantis a murderer if Florida's Covid rates are the same, if not better than Cali's and NY's?

I just don't understand people.

Narland, Miri Islands

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