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Region: Libertatem
Thanks.
Now comes the hard part - labeling the equator, prime meridian, (possible) districts, and (when they are added) nations with colors that aren't grating but also aren't obscured by the map's existing colors.
One short - who's the tenth liker going to be?
Rateria
Hey Condy, cool map. Wanna bring it to the White House?
Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Gaelic Eire Nua
Speaking of, I can recall such a thing happening exactly once in Libertatem history.
So, y'know, it works pretty well.
The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, Condealism
nice meme
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order
Glad that people still remember the Ahmed (?) debacle.
Condealism
Firstly, the potential.
Secondly, because it gives voters a better option of electorates.
You should use illustrator or inkscape to trace the outline, and then make countries on the map layers. Geography can also be traced. Look up how certain geofiction sites do it.
Rateria, Condealism
Two advantages of our electoral system that real-life "first past the post" is lacking: You can see the tally of everyone's votes during the election, and you can change your vote during the election.
(I guess you could consider these disadvantages, too, if you're not big on genuine populism.)
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
I can also use photoshop to do the outlines and stuff!
Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order
My issue isn't transparency of peoples votes, or changing votes. My point was that in a runoff election it would narrow down the candidate most popular with the majority.
Ultimately, being able to see people's votes and change yours accordingly is an encouragement of sorts to abandon unpopular candidates in favor of whomever is most popular with the majority. To add further incentive would be needlessly bureaucratic, not to mention unfair to newer contenders.
Miencraft, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
No, the bill makes it so you can vote for the candidate you most agree with, and then narrows it down to the majority as well.
It's not unfair to newer contenders. I did extremely well in my first election and would've moved on to the run off if this bill was in place.
I stand opposed to sponsoring Eire's bill because we simply have too small of a voter base to successfully hold the election Eire describes and if we did pass it then the elections will wind up being extremely drawn out because of the reason I mentioned first. I will not pander to any citizen solely because they are new to the region and wish to help. Eire, you are too new to the region and its system to fully understand the other variables that cause us to have the kind of government we have now. Our system is the best because it usually drives citizens to dump the candidate that they were voting for when they aren't as popular as the two frontrunners, so they then go to one of those frontrunners, which in itself is kind of a mini runoff election in an election.
Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism
Not really, it just adds another layer of bureaucracy to a system that's currently pretty simple.
If I were you, I'd hang around a bit more and keep your ears to the ground before proposing any big changes. We just had a constitutional amendment pass and we have a raft of other issues to get to before we need to make frivolous changes to the law.
Also, if you want any hope of this passing, submit this as a constitutional amendment.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
Again, the number of voters has NOTHING to do with the bill. That's why it works off of percentages and the number will always be 100. Not the number of actual voters. This point is irrelevant
Dude, you barely know anything about our region. I like that you're defending your bill, but you just got here, and you should get to know us better before trying to change everything.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Venomringo
Everyone knew I was going to propose this bill. Just because I'm arguing for something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have to drag in the "experience" of me in this region. This bill stands no matter what happened in the past
The Completly Oppressive States
I'd say the bill sits, not stands, at least until you find a Senator willing to support it.
The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
Well actually your experience is pertinent, because when I first joined this region, I too proposed a big constitutional amendment, and it was resoundingly rejected because it didn't gel with the region. Instead of acting indignant, I tried to contribute, learned the history and practices of Libertatem, and slowly built up my knowledge and credibility. A few months later I became President and was able to change our entire system of government. See what I'm getting at?
Miencraft, Narland, The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
Okay. It sits. Fair enough.
I see what you're getting at. I'm still trying to contribute in what I think is the right thing to do.
Pevvania, Narland, The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, Condealism
And that's good. I think you've already made the region a little better, because you've put some passion and debate into the RMB.
Miencraft, Narland, The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order, Gaelic Eire Nua
I appreciate it. I just feel like there's a bit of bias against me tbh.
I would understand your point otherwise, but he is not bringing in "experience" for the reason that you point out...The context of this bill and recent history proves, to me, an ulterior motive is at play...You losing in the election (not an insult) doubled with the big debate about RLP "tyranny", which could be argued either way that you won or lost, are both two great causes for you wanting to pass this bill, as you want the next election to be based on the one you proposed, so you can have a better chance of winning, and you want to redeem yourself after losing twice. Look, I understand your grievances and they are legitimate, but they are not impactful enough or significant enough to carry weight in our region that would benefit us as a whole. Listen man, I admire your perseverance, but you are clearly not well educated on the principles and variables that form our government, so I recommend you read the constitution thoroughly, ask questions about it, and sit back and learn our region from an active spectator's perspective.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order
No, it is clear that you are not ready. Please accept that and move on, but if you really want submit your idea as an amendment.
Miencraft, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
I don't know why you put tyranny in quotes as if I said it. I said explicitly that I didn't think it was intentional, I just think it'd be an issue. Then I was stabbed in the back and basically sabotaged and had my reputation ruined. Stop putting words in my mouth like everyone else has. I'm tired of it.
To be fair, "RLP tyranny" is a longstanding regional meme, so, it ends up mentioned a lot.
Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots
#MemeTyranny
Miencraft, Muh Roads, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
I put it in quotes to signal that I don't believe that tyranny exists in the RLP. If I said it without quotes it woud seem like I said it as if it were a fact
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism
is this what i sounded like four years ago
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
After all that happened, can you blame me for taking it that way? Especially since the context he was using it was referring to me bringing an issue to light that the President told me to (despite when I did, him aggressively being against me publicly)
It seemed like you were quoting me judging by the context
The term 'RLP tyranny' was, if I recall correctly, first used by the nation Hallo Island a couple years ago.
Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism
Again:
I have no bias against you honestly, I like the premise of the bill but there is much room for revision. I have a feeling that you would be excellent as a sponsor and cowriter of bills until you gain the time and cred here to be a frontrunning legislator. Not everyone is condy and is widely known and respected everywhere xDxDxD
Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Gaelic Eire Nua
Well small revision... in character I'm an insane CEO that hates xenos of my country sooooooo that's my only bias
Rateria, Gaelic Eire Nua
Perhaps it's for the best that there's only one of me.
Perhaps it's for the best that there will be zero of me in less than a century.
Rateria
Wow that went from 0 to a 100 real quick
Rateria, Condealism
Fun fact: the human species will be extinct one day, probably replaced by a better version of the human species.
Rateria
I like dis.
Rateria, Venomringo
ones with bunny ears, god willing.
Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Inissbeln
I made a bill.
section 1: don't sign this bill
subsection 1: signing this bill will violate constitutional rights
section 2: it's not a trap
subsection 2: ban all carebears.
love roads
Miencraft, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Inissbeln
Post self-deleted by Narland.
Post self-deleted by Narland.
Post self-deleted by Narland.
Back in the late 60s and early 70s the same people who had bumper stickers that read, "You Won't Get My Gun Till You Pry It From My Cold Dead Fingers"; "Get US out of the UN", "Keep Our Police Local and Independent" typically had "Don't Californicate Idaho." People newly arrived from other places would come in and (usually unintentionally) run roughshod over how we do things. It isn't that we did not like the individual Californians escaping where they came from, but we did want them to leave their Californian cultural baggage at the border. For many of us the last straw was when the overwhelming influx of Californians voted to remove the public libraries and local police from being public trusts and civic organizations to franchising them into the local government as instruments of the state. These are distinctions with irreconcilable differences between republicanism (little r) and democracy (little d).
Think of it as if a new flat-mate came into a large house that had several others who had been there a while. This new flatmate goes straight into the kitchen without getting to know the others and immediately starts rearranging where the silverware and dishes are placed in the various cupboards and drawers without regard to the knowing system that the current flatmates have already worked out, He would be immediately stopped. Once the new flatmate gets to know the flatmates better and learns the kitchen routine, he could make suggestions as to how to rearrange things or do things differently in a way that isn't so abrupt. The friendship and developed camaraderie would earn the respect for the desired changes, even if those desired changes are rejected.
I hope that helps.
Miencraft, Pevvania, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order, Pulceria
Nah, definitely gonna be sentient ai.
Rateria
Well said, Narland.
Rateria, Condealism, Pulceria
Libertatem is a strictly anti-landmass region
Sir, the 700,000,000 clones of you would like to have a word. Something about suing? And 200,534 of them claim to be the real copyright holder of the Condeatles.
The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, Condealism
I second the concerns of my colleagues in the Senate regarding the proposed legislation.
Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Pulceria
I've been trying things out on that map maker. noticed a lot of people want islands, archipelagos, and so forth. I found this one and I like it. just change the seed to 10794364,
let me now what you think.
Sincerely Pulceria
Pevvania, Rateria
Humpy, have you ever considered becoming a butler?
Rateria, Pulceria
That's fine. All I have to do is participate in a world war, spend a decade plotting to rise to power in whichever nation lost said war, seize control, and tell the populace that clones are vermin... and the rest will sort itself out.
"And what happens after you start - and lose - another world war?"
THE REST WILL SORT ITSELF OUT.
Rateria
Ok which one of you plebeians is responsible for cutting off my power?
Rateria, The United States Of Patriots
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/913/758/a12.jpg
Rateria
Theoden!?
Rateria
I'll take a look once my PC has updated.
Rateria, Pulceria
while your at it here is another seed worth trying 4363544.
and try altering the water line, it makes a difference.
Sincerely Pulceria
Rateria, Condealism
I think this map is great Idea. :)
Thanks to Condealism for finding that awesome map generator.
Lets Give him a hand."clap clap clap clap"
Sincerely Pulceria
The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, Condealism, Inissbeln
Someone rattle off some numbers that may be of cultural significance to Libertatem
Rateria, Pulceria
[nation=short]Condealism[/nation], check out this seed. The land is a bit more evenly spread across the map, and I like the idea of a bunch of archipelagos if I'm honest.
Rateria, Condealism, Pulceria
Taking a look at it now on water line 0. Which water line do you prefer?
Hmmm, I like both 0 and -0.01 to be honest with you. 0 is of course fuller and has more land which is cool.
you could try the A=1 Z=26 method.
that way...
the first five letters of Libertatem, LIBER =1292518.
or the outstanding consonants in Libertatem, LBTM = 1222013.
Libertatem supports the right o life, life =12965.
Rateria, Condealism, Inissbeln
Ah, an alphanumeric cipher - of course. Let's see...
Rateria, Pulceria
I actually like it some at 0.005
Rateria, Condealism, Pulceria
glad you like it.
you can see it all better if the center longitude is 0.
Sincerely Pulceria
Michigan?
24
You know what's better than 24?
25.
Muh Roads, Rateria
Actually, it turns out 32 is a pretty good seed.
Rateria
On a date
Girl: I work for the Social Security administration.
Me (trying to impress her): I run a Ponzi scheme
Rateria, Condealism
I also run a Ponzi scheme*
Pevvania, Rateria
This Russia collusion witch hunt is really embarrassing for the Democrats. They've found absolutely no evidence, and the only thing this is doing is undermining our foreign policy and making peace with Russia more unlikely.
And if there was collusion, then who cares? I'd write a thank you card to Putin for stopping a corrupt, murderous neocon from getting into the White House.
36 isn't bad. 88's okay. I think 117 is pretty good.
Ooh, 118 is really good.
Rateria, Nay Hofn, Pulceria
134 isn't bad either.
"Condy, are you seriously going through all of the seeds in numerical order?"
Maybe we should stick with 118.
Rateria, Pulceria
try 118 on water line 0.0125
Rateria, Condealism
Fun fact: if we use one of the maps generated by that program, they can easily be ported into something like EU4 for a Libertatem game there, because the grayscale map functions as a heightmap.
The Completly Oppressive States, Rateria, Condealism, Nay Hofn, Jadentopian Order
Yesss
Rateria
Also, seed 182, 1000x1000, water line 0.0135. It looks great, but there aren't a whole lot of archipelagos or anything. Just looked nice.
Rateria, The Aradites
i really like this one
fk archipelagos
What defines a clear majority in you bill?
Seems unnecessarly vague
Miencraft, The United States Of Patriots
Wisconsin
I hate it
[nation=short]venomringo[/nation] [nation=short]Supting[/nation]
Speaker vote on Discord until 5:51PM EST. You can also tg me before that time to vote.
Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism
I literally defined it in Article III.
Yessss!!!!!
I love it. perfect!
I vote 118 :)
speaking of voting. how will we decide?
Sincerely Pulceria
Rateria, Condealism, Jadentopian Order
We've got a lot of other stuff to deal with for now but until we get an official one we should probably get a bunch of possible map variations together, figure out how we're going to map people, and see what everyone likes with the choices presented.
Rateria, Condealism, Pulceria
p.s. I would stick with the water line at somewhere below 0. that way you have a little more Islands.
Sincerely Pulceria
We should have everyone who wants to be on the map telegram their preferences to a designated person or whatnot. That would still be a long time from now though.
Condealism
Senator Pevvania has been elected Speaker of the Senate.
Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Supting
I better be OP as fv*k
The Alt-Centrist Alliance front offices have finished construction!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=826299
Rateria, Condealism, Venomringo
Opening Address by the Speaker of the Senate
We stand at the brink of an age of renewed prosperity and hope in Libertatem. Gone are the dark days of stagnation. Our population has soared from the lowest of lows, our activity is booming, and our constituents seek leadership as we chart a new course into the future. Our newly-elected President Hyderbourg has done a stellar job of doing just that. But now more than ever, he and this region need a strong, active and organised Senate to help plot the course ahead.
In running for Speaker, I set out a simple platform: formalise voting rules, giving ample time and notice to each Senator ahead of votes, and to set an agenda for each week. I intend to act on these promises.
Rule 1: the duties of the Speaker Pro Tempore shall be to act as parliamentarian, act as the Speaker in the Speaker's absence, and perform other miscellaneous duties necessary to the conduct of this great body.
Rule 2: every Sunday, the Senate shall decide the agenda for the coming week. This may include discussing, proposing, drafting or voting on legislation, constitutional amendments, or none of the above. Discussions of the following week's agenda may occur previous to or on this day.
Rule 3: the procedure for legislation shall be propose, discuss vote. The Speaker or Speaker Pro Tempore may take a non-binding vote before the final vote to gauge the mood of the Senate.
Rule 4: this Discord channel shall be the primary means of communication between Senators.
Rule 5: matters pertaining to regional or national security will be conducted via telegram or a private chat between Senators, the President and or any designated official(s).
These are the first 5 rules for the Senate. Once again, thank you, and God bless Libertatem.
Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Jadentopian Order, Pulceria, Inissbeln
That'd be part of the how, yeah.
Rateria
I was playing around with the generator using the official Libertatem map, and I found that adding "Lefebvre2" and "Bumpmap on land only," you can see the greens on land and shadows of the mountains. Also, setting "Adjust colour by latitude" to "Yes" gives you a good idea of where the colder/snowy nations can go.
Rateria, Condealism
If Cory Booker runs for NJ governor I'd be highly tempted to vote for him, despite my disagreements with guns and economics with him. At this point the Republicans of NJ have given me a very sour taste in my mouth, and the Libertarians here are not like Alaskan or Montanan libertarians in which they can affect the outcome at all. At the very least I could expect the legalization of marijuana under him, which is already in queue.
Ooh, I like the look of that.
Inissbeln
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.