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Miri Islands wrote:5k for a firebird in the 80s? Must have been in show room condition. As the story goes you could get two of those things for less than a grand in the 80s even rare ones like the ram air 2 Firebirds didn't go for that much
I just chatted with my brother, it was a 69 Firebird Trans-Am convertible with some desirable performance options . He said they only made a handful. When it shot in in price in the 90s he sold it for a house.

I never owned a convertible (a few times my uncle loaned his 66 Galaxie convertible for a weekend) but if I did own one it would be a Desoto Adventurer or Chrysler 300, after I:

A. Pay off property

B. Win the lottery,

C. Marry a rich young intelligent entrepreneurial super-model who loves me for my humor and marries me only because of a rare temporary lapse of poor judgment.

D. All of the Above.

Come to think of it, I probably am not going to get a convertible.

Rateria

Narland wrote:I just chatted with my brother, it was a 69 Firebird Trans-Am convertible with some desirable performance options . He said they only made a handful. When it shot in in price in the 90s he sold it for a house.

I never owned a convertible (a few times my uncle loaned his 66 Galaxie convertible for a weekend) but if I did own one it would be a Desoto Adventurer or Chrysler 300, after I:

A. Pay off property

B. Win the lottery,

C. Marry a rich young intelligent entrepreneurial super-model who loves me for my humor and marries me only because of a rare temporary lapse of poor judgment.

D. All of the Above.

Come to think of it, I probably am not going to get a convertible.

I see, the trans am was a rare options and appearance package in 69 only and to have it as a convertible too would be rare indeed

Rateria

[quote=miri_islands;37454431]I got some clarifications.

He was working as a delivery driver at the time and dropped off a package at he guy's estate house. The guy had a for sale sign in his hand when my brother had him sign for the package. My brother was the right place at the right time, and said the right words. "I would keep the thing stock and only drive it to auto shows" -- something to that effect. That is when the guy mentioned the IRS breathing down his neck.

Joe Rogan's endorsement of Bernie literally means more than the NYT endorsing Warren and Klobuchar LMAO

Pevvania, Auxorii

[quote=narland;37460593][quote=miri_islands;37454431]I got some clarifications.

He was working as a delivery driver at the time and dropped off a package at he guy's estate house. The guy had a for sale sign in his hand when my brother had him sign for the package. My brother was the right place at the right time, and said the right words. "I would keep the thing stock and only drive it to auto shows" -- something to that effect. That is when the guy mentioned the IRS breathing down his neck. [/quote]

That's good, such a rare car needs to be preserved. My 68 was a 2bbl 350 V8 with 3 speed auto. nothing completely irreplaceable

Miri Islands wrote:That's good, such a rare car needs to be preserved. My 68 was a 2bbl 350 V8 with 3 speed auto. nothing completely irreplaceable

I have a 1995 white mercury villager van. pretty sure its the only in the state.

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I have a 1995 white mercury villager van. pretty sure its the only in the state.

So take that

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The United States Of Patriots wrote:I have a 1995 white mercury villager van. pretty sure its the only in the state.

There's a reason it's the only one in the state

Meanwhile I just drive my 2015 Civic

Rateria

I just got my first "real" car six months ago, an 07 Honda Accord. Before that I was driving an 02 minivan I bought from my grandma for cheap lol

The New United States, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Thanks for doxxing yourself mate. Now, after I've figured out which of the 3.16 million Utahianeseites has that vehicle I'll know who you are.

Checkmate.

Good luck and God speed

The New United States, Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:There's a reason it's the only one in the state

Its got nearly 300,000 miles on it. We've abused this car quite terribly

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Its got over 300,000 miles on it. We've abused this car quite terribly

For years it would carry 6 people, a dog, all of their camping equipment, and an aluminum boat up a dirt road into the mountains.

Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:That's good, such a rare car needs to be preserved. My 68 was a 2bbl 350 V8 with 3 speed auto. nothing completely irreplaceable

The early gen Firebirds/Camaros are fun cars to drive. I was too young for the Avanti and could never find an affordable one. My childhood dreamcar was a 1st gen Ford GT. Too bad the 70s happened.

I liked the AMX and Javelin. Too bad they didn't get any love from the press even though the Javelin had he best handling of the American muscle cars.

I never understood why the press went out of their way to besmirch the cars AMC got right -- until I got into politics.

New poll on the existence of white privilege in termsof culture and institutions

Skaveria wrote:New poll on the existence of white privilege in termsof culture and institutions

>no option for “yes but it’s justified”

Tupolite, Kongeriget Island

The States Of Balloon wrote:>no option for “yes but it’s justified”

Cringe

Jadentopian Order

RIP Kobe. My fav player growing up

Jadentopian Order

Miri Islands wrote:I have a first gen firebird. It's definitely not a full sized boat the controls are easy to reach for the most part and it's very comfy on the highway with it's soft suspension. Since it's late 60s it's more sporty with bucket seats

Miri Islands wrote:That's good, such a rare car needs to be preserved. My 68 was a 2bbl 350 V8 with 3 speed auto. nothing completely irreplaceable

Oh boy oh boy another Trans Am owner

My dad has a '77 Trans Am that's currently being restored, and we have an '81 Trans Am courtesy car here in California. It runs like a dream but does about 13 MPG on the highway LOL. Still, it's both a beauty and a beast.

Narland

Narland wrote:The early gen Firebirds/Camaros are fun cars to drive. I was too young for the Avanti and could never find an affordable one. My childhood dreamcar was a 1st gen Ford GT. Too bad the 70s happened.

I liked the AMX and Javelin. Too bad they didn't get any love from the press even though the Javelin had he best handling of the American muscle cars.

I never understood why the press went out of their way to besmirch the cars AMC got right -- until I got into politics.

Firebird is a lot of fun to drive it's LS swapped now with a 4l60e 4 speed automatic overdrive and quite nimble. I don't get where the idea came from that muscle cars can't steer

Pevvania wrote:Oh boy oh boy another Trans Am owner

My dad has a '77 Trans Am that's currently being restored, and we have an '81 Trans Am courtesy car here in California. It runs like a dream but does about 13 MPG on the highway LOL. Still, it's both a beauty and a beast.

Mine is unrestored, I hope with my engineering degree I'll get a job that can pay for a proper restoration. The body is potmarked with rust and the interior is in somewhat rough shape. I drive it every day though gets 25 highway

Pevvania

any spitfire fans here?

"Oh but Bernie's different"

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/480148-bernie-sanders-is-part-of-the-swamp

Miri Islands wrote:Firebird is a lot of fun to drive it's LS swapped now with a 4l60e 4 speed automatic overdrive and quite nimble. I don't get where the idea came from that muscle cars can't steer

Mine is unrestored, I hope with my engineering degree I'll get a job that can pay for a proper restoration. The body is potmarked with rust and the interior is in somewhat rough shape. I drive it every day though gets 25 highway

I can think of some reasons.

Enough people couldn't handle the power and anecdotal tales abounded about driving at 150 mph + into things. It is hard to negotiate a turn when accelerating at moonshot speeds. My neighbor drove a car with a 427 Cobra Jet into a bridge pylon, tossing the engine 1/4 mile down the road. At 135 mph a small correction can be more like a sharp turn. Miss it and you are off into the Great Dismal Swamp before you can blink.

Most base muscle cars doubled as a pony car (economy/commuter car -- underpowered straight 6, mush suspension, sloppy gearing). People would buy the smallest car possible, with the cheapest options with the the largest engine available. Throw out the low powered 6 and add a Hi-Pro V-8 without adjusting the drivetrain and suspension, and there can be problems.

Corvair had a hit job done too it by Nader, "Unsafe at Any Speed" that by extension tarred all American Cars, and like most leftist data suspect and decades later proved to be falsified. Corvair was not the best quality nor best engineered car, but because it was rear engine, people would buy it to drive like a bat out of Detroit.

Cars that could accelerate fastest were more profitable than engineering real American Gran Touring cars that could handle long and winding roads at top speeds at the expense of the 0-60 drag strip records.

I wish you well on the restoration. If you ever want to fix up a Barcelona made 1974 S.E.A.T. 124 Station Wagon I can show you where to dredge it out of the sea. :D Not that an owner who couldn't sell the thing would ever push his/her/its lemon, er... classic car over a cliff into the sea just to get rid of it. =/

https://mises.org/power-market/yes-college-professors-are-almost-all-left-wing

According to public records, among 12,372 professors at 124 top American colleges, the ratio of professors that donated to Dem candidates vs. to Republican candidates was 95:1. That is, over 2,000 of these academics donated to Dems, while a mere 22 donated to Republicans.

Gee, I wonder if that rubs off on the kids????

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

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The problem is even most private colleges recieve government funding, conservatives/ libertarians.are a threat to said funding therefore staff are more leftist

Narland

Young people are left-leaning before they go to college. If anything, college just cements that view. Look at the student demonstrations in the 60s. They're the ones that go to die overseas/see their friends die when war hawk politicians decide some backwater country of farmers needs glassed over. This generation of students was raised during a time when old conservative guys sat on TV and moaned about how Obama is a Muslim Communist. They saw politicians whine and cry about how gay marriage would destroy America. They saw the riots in Ferguson and the killings of Treyvon Martin and Eric Garner. It's really no shock to me that this generation is far more left leaning than before.

And yes, there is still college representation of conservative groups. I have to hear from those TPUSA dweebs all the time, and like every school has a young republicans club.

Rateria

The New United States wrote:https://mises.org/power-market/yes-college-professors-are-almost-all-left-wing

According to public records, among 12,372 professors at 124 top American colleges, the ratio of professors that donated to Dem candidates vs. to Republican candidates was 95:1. That is, over 2,000 of these academics donated to Dems, while a mere 22 donated to Republicans.

Gee, I wonder if that rubs off on the kids????

All three of my professors this semester are blind leftists 3 weeks in and they're already on about white privilege, orange man bad, and much wage gap. I expected it from my sociology professor and anthropology professor but even my geography professor goes on about it

Narland, The New United States

Jadentopian Order wrote:Young people are left-leaning before they go to college. If anything, college just cements that view. Look at the student demonstrations in the 60s. They're the ones that go to die overseas/see their friends die when war hawk politicians decide some backwater country of farmers needs glassed over. This generation of students was raised during a time when old conservative guys sat on TV and moaned about how Obama is a Muslim Communist. They saw politicians whine and cry about how gay marriage would destroy America. They saw the riots in Ferguson and the killings of Treyvon Martin and Eric Garner. It's really no shock to me that this generation is far more left leaning than before.

And yes, there is still college representation of conservative groups. I have to hear from those TPUSA dweebs all the time, and like every school has a young republicans club.

Mine doesn't. We have Young Democrats and Democratic Socialists. I found the remains of a Facebook group of college Republicans, but they were routinely protested and eventually fizzled out. We're trying to start an LP affiliate here now. Just started making flyers

Narland, The New United States, Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Mine doesn't. We have Young Democrats and Democratic Socialists. I found the remains of a Facebook group of college Republicans, but they were routinely protested and eventually fizzled out. We're trying to start an LP affiliate here now. Just started making flyers

The problem with the nearest University is that their GOP club is full of RINOs, Neocons, and Nevertrumpers who snub radical republicans, paleoconservatives, and libertarian minded GOP. Anyone who doesn't love the anti-Conservative Romney, McCain, & Bush machines are snubbed or ignored. They at least have a decent Philosophy Club, an active YAL, and a fairly decent informal networking of Libertarians (both left and right leaning).

The New United States, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Affirmative action now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...

In order to destroy discrimination we must institutionalize it!

Miri Islands

Jadentopian Order wrote:Young people are left-leaning before they go to college. If anything, college just cements that view. Look at the student demonstrations in the 60s. They're the ones that go to die overseas/see their friends die when war hawk politicians decide some backwater country of farmers needs glassed over. This generation of students was raised during a time when old conservative guys sat on TV and moaned about how Obama is a Muslim Communist. They saw politicians whine and cry about how gay marriage would destroy America. They saw the riots in Ferguson and the killings of Treyvon Martin and Eric Garner. It's really no shock to me that this generation is far more left leaning than before.

And yes, there is still college representation of conservative groups. I have to hear from those TPUSA dweebs all the time, and like every school has a young republicans club.

Depends on their upbringing.

Children who are taught to be responsible adults upon emancipation with the expectation to run their own business or know how to contract their person and skill set in order to provide a product or service in sustainable economic exchange in so they can live their dreams, tend to be overwhelmingly conservative (American Conservative -- conserving Classical Liberalism).

Kids who grow up without any particular understanding of societal responsibility (making their way in the world) other than a vague expectation of "do what you want as long as you don't hurt anybody" so they can "get a job" working for someone else's vision; or worse, to be politically correct proles, do tend to lean left. But once they get out of their Statist incubators (Public Education) and have to enter the workforce (and reality), they tend to get more Conservative each time their ox is gored and every time they realize how badly they have been lied to by the Progressivist Narratives.

You tend to conflate American Conservatism with many unconservative examples. Only 1/3 of the GOP are Conservatives and over half of Democrats are illiberal. 2/3 of GOP are Illiberal Neoconservatives, Moderate Socialists, Slow Moving Progressivists, and/or purveyors of the Status Quo. American Conservatism seeks to conserve the Classical Liberal principles established into Law by the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights, such as strongly shackled limited government, free and open markets, extreme liberty, unrelenting equality under law, and no entangling alliances with other nations.

Berate the GOP if you want, but please stop confusing them with American Conservatism. Principled Conservatives have not held power nationally in the GOP since WW2. A few have broken through the gauntlet at times, but they are few and far between. It is a good reminder that Bill Clinton presided over more Conservative legislation than either Bush XLI or Bush XLIII; and that Bush XLIII presided over some of the worst anti-Conservative legislation in US history (Homeland Security Act, so-called "Patriot" Act (which no Patriot in his right mind would pass). Clinton was also more economically Conservative than either Bushes as well. A Democrat got us into Viet-Nam, and establishment cronies of both parties ridiculously enriched themselves off of the Guns and Butter abuse of the American People. It was a GOP President, that got us out despite his otherwise being a totalitarian Statist who actually deserved impeachment.

Bush, Romney, and McCain are/were not Conservatives (Big C), but they appear conservative (Little c) because relatively they do not want the Progressivists to "lead" us into a Socialist/Communist hell overnight. But they are okay with setting up the Statist apparati to be slowly implemented over their lifetimes, passing the manacles to the next generation of tyrants to enforce. America has gotten so far to the insane left (Statist Totalitarian) that paleo-Liberals, paleo-Conservatives, and Libertarians can form alliances against them, and support at least some of President Trump's attempts at draining the Swamp.

Cyborgs And Sentient Machines wrote:The central planning discussion is five days old however I find it interesting

If Amazon was a country, it would have the GDP equivalent to a European country. Since all businesses (excluding cooperatives) are centrally planned.

Would you call corporate bureaucracy socialism?

What exactly is the false equivalency here?

The ideologies both have roots in hegel but later diverge with socialism being materialist emphasing class conflicts whereas fascism is spiritualist and emphasing national conflicts.

This is was related to the formation of the Abrahamic religions where they all have a root in the story of Abraham but all diverge after that(, summarising religious doctrine in a few sentences would be harder than ideological doctrine however).

Hello. Who are you again?

The New United States

Jadentopian Order wrote:You can't fully test ideology and keep your party completely pure, sure. There still needs to be some form of checking though. If you want to have an effective party, you need to maintain a core base of issues that everyone runs for and supports. Take the Republican party for example, I'm sure most Republicans support LGBT+ rights and marriage because its such an easy issue to win points with, but because they've allowed that dissent, most people will automatically peg them as the party of anti-LGBT. People will associate you with your least popular policy. If the Libertarians want to win, they can't be allowing wackos who claim you should be able to sell heroin to kids to go around representing them.

They desperately need to learn how to politic. You can truly believe in your heart that all drugs should be legal, or that drunk driving shouldn't be a crime, but those aren't winning votes. Run on popular issues like LGBT+ rights, legalizing weed, and even cutting spending/lowering taxes until you put yourself in the place to start going further.

The American political system is absolutely horrendous and only really allows for boring, establishment, moderate centrists from the two parties to gain any real power, but it can't be the excuse for every third party failure. The American public is becoming more and more alienated and disillusioned with the system. Candidates like Trump, Yang, Sanders, and even Tulsi who've slammed their parties' establishments are increasingly popular. If there is any time to capitalize on this, it's now.

The American political system is rotten to the core.

Miri Islands wrote:All three of my professors this semester are blind leftists 3 weeks in and they're already on about white privilege, orange man bad, and much wage gap. I expected it from my sociology professor and anthropology professor but even my geography professor goes on about it

Sounds great for a Degree in Intersectional Geography with emphasis on Anglo-Ompaloompa Studies. Anyone with such a degree can proudly speak into the mic and say, "Do you want fries with that?."

The New United States, Miri Islands

Jadentopian Order wrote:Young people are left-leaning before they go to college. If anything, college just cements that view. Look at the student demonstrations in the 60s. They're the ones that go to die overseas/see their friends die when war hawk politicians decide some backwater country of farmers needs glassed over. This generation of students was raised during a time when old conservative guys sat on TV and moaned about how Obama is a Muslim Communist. They saw politicians whine and cry about how gay marriage would destroy America. They saw the riots in Ferguson and the killings of Treyvon Martin and Eric Garner. It's really no shock to me that this generation is far more left leaning than before.

And yes, there is still college representation of conservative groups. I have to hear from those TPUSA dweebs all the time, and like every school has a young republicans club.

If I recall correctly, Auxorii was the head of his local TPUSA chapter, was he not? Their running feud with that Nick Fuentes guy continues to provide much amusement.

The New United States

Narland wrote:Sounds great for a Degree in Intersectional Geography with emphasis on Anglo-Ompaloompa Studies. Anyone with such a degree can proudly speak into the mic and say, "Do you want fries with that?."

I can agree with you there. If you graduate with a degree in something like education, psychology, or sociology, your life is going nowhere at the speed of an intercontinental ballistic missile.

The New United States

Sociology maybe, but I can see demand for education (teachers) and psychology (well, psychologists.)

The best course of action would be to simply allow the market to allocate degrees based on actual demand. Is it because college loans are subsidized no matter what that allow people to make bad decisions regarding their education? Methinks so.

The New United States

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sociology maybe, but I can see demand for education (teachers) and psychology (well, psychologists.)

The best course of action would be to simply allow the market to allocate degrees based on actual demand. Is it because college loans are subsidized no matter what that allow people to make bad decisions regarding their education? Methinks so.

You don't need a degree in education to be a teacher. All it will give you is an utterly dysfunctional idea of how a classroom and students should be managed to promote order and facilitate effective learning. As for psychology, parts of it have real use, specifically forensic psychology and physiological psychology, but much of the rest is just unverifiable abstract theoretical models, usually spun in a politicized leftist direction.

The New United States

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sociology maybe, but I can see demand for education (teachers) and psychology (well, psychologists.)

The best course of action would be to simply allow the market to allocate degrees based on actual demand. Is it because college loans are subsidized no matter what that allow people to make bad decisions regarding their education? Methinks so.

Basically, government handles all student loans and gives out money regardless of degree whereas private companies would only give money to those pursuing a degree that will actually give them their money back

Narland

TPUSA seems cool

Narland

Tupolite wrote:The American political system is rotten to the core.

This, we can finally agree on

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:Sociology maybe, but I can see demand for education (teachers) and psychology (well, psychologists.)

The best course of action would be to simply allow the market to allocate degrees based on actual demand. Is it because college loans are subsidized no matter what that allow people to make bad decisions regarding their education? Methinks so.

Methinks that youthinks correctly.

I think the worst of that type of educrat thinking is over (a degree for everything). There were over-schooled academicians back in the 70s (emboldened by Federal overreach of creating OSHA, EPA and Dept of Ed) that were talking about requiring 2 year degrees for numerous trades including truck drivers. I do not care if the conveyor of the goods to my store (and door) has an engineering degree or believes the earth is a cleverly disguised inverted pseudosphere made to look like a disk (those tricksy reptilians). I want the trucker with whom we share the road to be a safe reliable driver who knows his truck, knows the roads, and isn't easily distracted. You have to know the truck, know the roads, and not be easily distracted, and you do not need a 2 year degree for that.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Tupolite wrote:The American political system is rotten to the core.

Jadentopian Order wrote:This, we can finally agree on

Drain the Swamp, and permanently evict all swamp creatures, except for Alec and Abby Holland, they have homestead rights.

The New United States

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Why would you TP the USA? You must be a terrorist.

The USA is way too big to TP, I have to start smaller like maybe the Vatican or Andorra

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

President Trump will be re-elected in a landslide

Miencraft, The New United States, Suzi Island, Rateria, Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Imagine a three-way debate between Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Virmin Supreme.

Rateria, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:Imagine a three-way debate between Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Virmin Supreme.

That's not fair to Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump!

Miencraft

Skaveria wrote:Imagine a three-way debate between Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Virmin Supreme.

I would rather hear a 3-way debate between Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and a philosophically principled Libertarian. Any philosophically principled Libertarian -- Randian, Rothbardian, Nozickian, Badnarikian. Just anybody who understands what it means to be a Libertarian, and not think it means some of the this from the Dems, and some of that from the GOP. We have had too much of "some of this" and "some of that" since the Civil War, and it is killing us.

The Libertarian should also:

>>> Have business ownership experience,

>>> Will hold the Federal Reserve and the Banksters responsible for their fraud and

>>> Is a major wrecking ball to the Statist establishment in real time.

Pevvania, The New United States

Narland wrote:I would rather hear a 3-way debate between Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and a philosophically principled Libertarian. Any philosophically principled Libertarian -- Randian, Rothbardian, Nozickian, Badnarikian. Just anybody who understands what it means to be a Libertarian, and not think it means some of the this from the Dems, and some of that from the GOP. We have had too much of "some of this" and "some of that" since the Civil War, and it is killing us.

The Libertarian should also:

>>> Have business ownership experience,

>>> Will hold the Federal Reserve and the Banksters responsible for their fraud and

>>> Is a major wrecking ball to the Statist establishment in real time.

So John Mccafee?

Narland

Skaveria wrote:So John Mccafee?

I would consider voting for McCafee in 2024.

Right now Trump is what America needs -- a wrecking ball against over-regulation. But Trump is still a "free medicare for all from the public largess" guy.

Sanders is the wrong kind of wrecking ball. We do not need the foundations of Liberty and Equality destroyed for a new Feudalism. It took us (mankind) 6000 years (of recorded history) to get governments to recognize the right for an individual to govern himself according to the dictates of one's own conscience. We (Western Civ in general and U.S in particular) do not need a 372 year setback as seen in the former Soviet Union, East Germany, and Venezuela.

McCafee would need to roll up his sleeves and be willing to jump into the Swap and fight the swamp creatures in the same manner as Trump is trying to do (in the areas that Trump is trying to do).

The New United States

Does anyone else think that Justice Roberts is one of the Swamp Creatures?

The New United States

McAfee is a whackjob and shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

The New United States

Narland wrote:Does anyone else think that Justice Roberts is one of the Swamp Creatures?

Unambiguously so.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:McAfee is a whackjob and shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

Also, this.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:McAfee is a whackjob and shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

Yes, but he has first hand experience in international incidents. That should count for something... ***Narland bakes some trollhouse cookies to pass around.***

Pevvania wrote:President Trump will be re-elected in a landslide

I think there's situations where that happens.

If Biden wins the nom: I don't think this guy even has a chance against Trump. He's literally going around telling people to vote for Bernie and yelling at reporters. I don't need to say much.

If Warren wins the nom: Trump just has to call her Pocahontas for a few months. Progressive dems hate her now because she completely went back on the movement. She abandoned M4A and completely embarrassed herself with the whole "Bernie is a sexist" thing. I mean, who really believes a woman that lied about her race for year?

If Pete wins: He gets clobbered by Trump because he has a shady past and can't get anyone excited for him.

If Bernie wins: He's the only candidate that stands any chance. He's popular with independents and has been polling well against Trump.

Pevvania, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:I think there's situations where that happens.

If Biden wins the nom: I don't think this guy even has a chance against Trump. He's literally going around telling people to vote for Bernie and yelling at reporters. I don't need to say much.

If Warren wins the nom: Trump just has to call her Pocahontas for a few months. Progressive dems hate her now because she completely went back on the movement. She abandoned M4A and completely embarrassed herself with the whole "Bernie is a sexist" thing. I mean, who really believes a woman that lied about her race for year?

If Pete wins: He gets clobbered by Trump because he has a shady past and can't get anyone excited for him.

If Bernie wins: He's the only candidate that stands any chance. He's popular with independents and has been polling well against Trump.

Bernie doesn't stand a chance. The reason he was so popular in 2016 was because of the stagnant Obama economy. People were fed up with capitalism and wanted to try socialism. Hillary lost against trump and trump brought a prosperous economy, those independents who were sick of the stagnant economy now want to keep the economy going and they will vote for trump as a result. I expect a landslide unless the economy crashes. With Corona virus going around it seems like a possibility

Narland, Republic Of Minerva

Jadentopian Order wrote:I think there's situations where that happens.

If Biden wins the nom: I don't think this guy even has a chance against Trump. He's literally going around telling people to vote for Bernie and yelling at reporters. I don't need to say much.

If Warren wins the nom: Trump just has to call her Pocahontas for a few months. Progressive dems hate her now because she completely went back on the movement. She abandoned M4A and completely embarrassed herself with the whole "Bernie is a sexist" thing. I mean, who really believes a woman that lied about her race for year?

If Pete wins: He gets clobbered by Trump because he has a shady past and can't get anyone excited for him.

If Bernie wins: He's the only candidate that stands any chance. He's popular with independents and has been polling well against Trump.

Yeah that's pretty accurate.

Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:Bernie doesn't stand a chance. The reason he was so popular in 2016 was because of the stagnant Obama economy. People were fed up with capitalism and wanted to try socialism. Hillary lost against trump and trump brought a prosperous economy, those independents who were sick of the stagnant economy now want to keep the economy going and they will vote for trump as a result. I expect a landslide unless the economy crashes. With Corona virus going around it seems like a possibility

I really think you're underestimating his popularity right now. No one else in that field is going to get youth turnout at a level that's going to be important, they just don't get anyone excited. Trump was similar in 2016, he moved people to vote. Even Tucker Carlson said something along the lines of like, "Don't be so certain about Trump being Bernie".

Pevvania wrote:Yeah that's pretty accurate.

The Dems this year are pretty awful. They're a bunch of corporate puppets. It's been fun to watch some of them tank their campaigns though.

Pevvania, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:"Don't be so certain about Trump being Bernie"

I knew they weren't the same guy!

Narland, The New United States, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Miencraft wrote:I knew they weren't the same guy!

God damn it

Miencraft, Rateria

It's the day before the election, Trump and Bernie seem neck to neck in the latest polls, even CNN polls. Virmin Supreme and his running mate John Mccafee have just crossed the 10% line for federal funding. The other 90% seems evenly 45 to 45...

But wait, a breakthrough CNN report says someone else just entered the race! Can it be... No, it couldn't... Oh my god it is! JEB BUSH COMES CRASHING INTO THE RACE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! HE'S UP IN FLORIDA! HE WINS CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK! IT'S A LANDSLIDE! Ladies and gentlemen what a historic day in sportsmanship, let's turn to Joe Rogan for the post-election interview!

The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:It's the day before the election, Trump and Bernie seem neck to neck in the latest polls, even CNN polls. Virmin Supreme and his running mate John Mccafee have just crossed the 10% line for federal funding. The other 90% seems evenly 45 to 45...

But wait, a breakthrough CNN report says someone else just entered the race! Can it be... No, it couldn't... Oh my god it is! JEB BUSH COMES CRASHING INTO THE RACE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! HE'S UP IN FLORIDA! HE WINS CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK! IT'S A LANDSLIDE! Ladies and gentlemen what a historic day in sportsmanship, let's turn to Joe Rogan for the post-election interview!

Joe Rogan: “Congratulations on winning, President-Elect Bush. Have you ever tried DMT?”

The New United States, Skaveria

Trump has the deal sealed, and he never forgets those who stab him in the back. I think after the next election the Swamp is going to start getting a record amount of deep state pink slips.

The New United States, Miri Islands

Narland wrote:Trump has the deal sealed, and he never forgets those who stab him in the back. I think after the next election the Swamp is going to start getting a record amount of deep state pink slips.

Trump hasn't done anything for the second amendment or unjust laws and passed this anti semetism bill which violates the first amendment trump is nothing but a pawn for the deep state the only difference between democrats and republicans is how fast they will take away your freedom

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Congratulations to the UK on leaving the European Union and therefore being elevated to upper-third-world status.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, The United States Of Patriots, Skaveria, Kongeriget Island

Miencraft wrote:Congratulations to the UK on leaving the European Union and therefore being elevated to upper-third-world status.

The amount of bureaucracy and votes it took is astonishing. The globalists really don't like democracy. "Yeah, you can vote, but if you vote wrong we'll do everything in our power to tie up the effects of that vote for so long that by the time we vote again, the demographics have changed so much that the vote goes the other way."

Kongeriget Island

Skaveria wrote:The amount of bureaucracy and votes it took is astonishing. The globalists really don't like democracy. "Yeah, you can vote, but if you vote wrong we'll do everything in our power to tie up the effects of that vote for so long that by the time we vote again, the demographics have changed so much that the vote goes the other way."

The globalists own literally every choice people vote for if voting actually did anything we wouldn't be allowed to do it the only difference between politicians is how quickly you want your rights taken away

Who is going to win the super bowl?

Suzi Island wrote:Who is going to win the super bowl?

I posted my opinion before but I’m calling the Chiefs.

Miencraft wrote:Congratulations to the UK on leaving the European Union and therefore being elevated to upper-third-world status.

Any country with a monarchy can never really be apart of the first world

Miencraft, Highway Eighty-Eight

Jadentopian Order wrote:Any country with a monarchy can never really be apart of the first world

Yeah but at least they're better than other underdeveloped nations.

Maybe.

Hopefully.

I mean, even the most primitive of tribes knows how to write down how a government works, and the UK still hasn't figured that out, so maybe I'm giving them a bit too much credit.

Suzi Island wrote:Who is going to win the super bowl?

I don't even know who's playing

Jadentopian Order wrote:Any country with a monarchy can never really be apart of the first world

How's that?

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The New United States wrote:How's that?

Putting someone who has no qualification besides being born in the right family above the rest of the people is backwards

Auxorii

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"Right family?"

Sure, I suppose... One you look past the incest.

I was going to make a comment like “Even if you’re inbred and barely functioning, you’re still royalty” but I think I’ll take not being Charles II even if it means I’m just a broke college student

Jadentopian Order wrote:I was going to make a comment like “Even if you’re inbred and barely functioning, you’re still royalty” but I think I’ll take not being Charles II even if it means I’m just a broke college student

The monarchs over there don't really have political power though. They just have cultural power. Basically they're just like anyone else except they get all their luxury stuffpaid for by the government and they get to meet world leaders.

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Skaveria wrote:The monarchs over there don't really have political power though. They just have cultural power. Basically they're just like anyone else except they get all their luxury stuffpaid for by the government and they get to meet world leaders.

Soooo, they get put on a pedestal and everyone’s money goes to them for doing nothing?

Miencraft

Jadentopian Order wrote:Putting someone who has no qualification besides being born in the right family above the rest of the people is backwards

Is it really any more backwards than letting the masses choose their demagogue every election to take from one and give to another?

Kongeriget Island

The New United States wrote:Is it really any more backwards than letting the masses choose their demagogue every election to take from one and give to another?

Yes.

The United States Of Patriots

Jadentopian Order wrote:Yes.

I don't think it necessarily is. I'd much rather live in a small, constitutional monarchy like Luxembourg than in a centralized, mass-democratic hellhole like France.

Skaveria, Kongeriget Island

Jadentopian Order wrote:Soooo, they get put on a pedestal and everyone’s money goes to them for doing nothing?

Pretty much

The New United States

Skaveria wrote:Pretty much

I don't see how it's fair to criticize someone for wanting to spend on social programs and then be perfectly okay with pouring money into some rich dude's wine parties because he was born in the right family.

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Jadentopian Order wrote:I don't see how it's fair to criticize someone for wanting to spend on social programs and then be perfectly okay with pouring money into some rich dude's wine parties because he was born in the right family.

That's a very biased image you're painting of what a democracy is vs what a monarchy is.

The fact is, democratic leaders are less likely to be invested in the long-term welfare of the nation because the horizon of their career is short and so is their window of opportunity to leech off of the taxpayer. Thus, their efforts are more likely to be focused on short-sighted but popular proposals (welfare! low interest rates! cancel the debt!) that might win them re-election and fatten their wallet, even at the long-term expense of the people's wellbeing. Democratic politics naturally lends itself to sycophants, demagogues, and looters out for their own gain. Just look at DC, friendo.

Monarchs are more invested in long-term prosperity and social stability because they usually seek to retain their crown and to pass it on to their posterity. I'd rather live under a half-decent monarch than under a demagogic parasite elected by the majority.

The less democratic we make America, and the closer we get to our original Republic, the freer our once-great nation will be.

Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:If you don't like Trump so much, why don't you move to Luxembourg?

Because I'm an American, loyal to a people, place, and culture over any ideology.

That being said, there is obviously a range among both democratic and monarchical leaders. I think that Trump is definitely on the better end of American politicians, and I think many of his most egregious shortcomings as President, like pressuring the Fed to kick credit expansion into high-gear, have been due to the fact that he must short-sightedly do what will make him more viable for re-election.

The solution, drawing from our rich cultural heritage as Americans, is not to make the President into an FDR-esque dictator for life, but it is to return to our roots of limiting suffrage to those with the biggest stake in our nation's long-term prosperity. If voting rights were limited to those deeply invested in their communities' wellbeing - like property owners and military servicemembers and veterans - then I think a lot of our problems with the socialists would be solved.

EDIT:

I think it might even be a good idea to limit voting rights to heads of household that have a minimum number of children under their care. It'd encourage folks to have more children and ensure that those voting have a legitimate stake in the future of our nation. Say, a minimum of three or four children per parental couple, for instance, would grant those parents the right to vote. No more childless catladies and nihilistic weenies voting our great nation into socialist, progressive oblivion.

Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Jadentopian Order wrote:I don't see how it's fair to criticize someone for wanting to spend on social programs and then be perfectly okay with pouring money into some rich dude's wine parties because he was born in the right family.

I don't agree with it. The monarchy should be abolished, even if it's constitutional. I'm just saying it's not like having an actual monarchy.

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As an Eagles fan it was nice to see Andy Reid win a ring

all of you "libertarians" are just neofeudalists in disguise.

Long live the Republic.

Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Britain doesn't have constitutional monarchy. A constitutional monarchy requires a constitution.

I was shocked to learn that the UK didn't have a constitution. It's like they all kinda agree on some basic rules and are just winging it. I'm shocked they've come this far

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