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Pevvania wrote:Should female genital mutilation be banned? Should male circumcision be banned?

What you do with your genitals is none of my business

Right-Winged Nation wrote:What you do with your genitals is none of my business

Says you

Pevvania

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Says you

This season on Humpy After Dark...

Pevvania

Condealism Envoy Unit One wrote:This season on Humpy After Dark...

I still motion for the hud act to pass

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I still motion for the hud act to pass

Hud Act?

Post self-deleted by Condealism Envoy Unit One.

Is it libertarian to ban authoritarian political parties that suppress individual rights when in office?

Pevvania wrote:Is it libertarian to ban authoritarian political parties that suppress individual rights when in office?

Honestly, I just stopped reading at "ban" and thought "nope".

Then I kept going, and my answer is still "nope".

2nd round of recruiting begins friday.

If there is no challenger by midnight (est) tonight, then I guess TNUS will win.

A balanced budget amendment is coming to the UK: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/10/george-osborne-public-finances-victorian-values

This is huge.

You should use someone other than the Guardian or the Daily Mail for politics in the future. The Guardian is very biased to the left and the Daily Mail to the right. If you want a newspaper that is fairly unbiased, I'd choose the Telegraph, they're slightly right-wing but that's because they're sensible.

Pevvania

Wovenland wrote:You should use someone other than the Guardian or the Daily Mail for politics in the future. The Guardian is very biased to the left and the Daily Mail to the right. If you want a newspaper that is fairly unbiased, I'd choose the Telegraph, they're slightly right-wing but that's because they're sensible.

Telegraph and Times are a little too right-wing for my tastes, but have put out some relatively decent articles on austerity and free markets.

To anyone who sent in a citizenship application recently, I'm sorry it's been taking so long, but one of my cats has been having health issues that unfortunately can't be resolved, and I have to deal with him before I can pay attention to the game.

Hello Everyone,

I'm new and I was wondering if I can get any help and advice.

Attention...we have been threatened on a regional level...prepare our defenses. The Black Hawk might be invading or causing chaos.

United Nations Of The Far West wrote:Attention...we have been threatened on a regional level...prepare our defenses. The Black Hawk might be invading or causing chaos.

... What?

Welp, the UCR met its end, for like, the third time.

Ronacria wrote:Welp, the UCR met its end, for like, the third time.

Our problems are really good at taking care of themselves, it seems.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Our problems are really good at taking care of themselves, it seems.

I don't think they were really a problem to anybody.

Pevvania wrote:A balanced budget amendment is coming to the UK: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/10/george-osborne-public-finances-victorian-values

This is huge.

I think it's foolish and simply a trick to score points against the Labour party. The Conservatives are going to be the government for the next five years and so the Chancellor has almost total control to write a balanced budget if he wants to, a new law is not going to change that. The law is going to be totally pointless for at least five years and is only designed to affect Labour's leadership election.

Padovia wrote:I think it's foolish and simply a trick to score points against the Labour party. The Conservatives are going to be the government for the next five years and so the Chancellor has almost total control to write a balanced budget if he wants to, a new law is not going to change that. The law is going to be totally pointless for at least five years and is only designed to affect Labour's leadership election.

Pev voted conservative and is in still denial about...the speech.

United Nations Of The Far West wrote:Attention...we have been threatened on a regional level...prepare our defenses. The Black Hawk might be invading or causing chaos.

Yea, I have no idea what your talking about.

Also, your requesting protection from them? What?

They can try and raid, but we have an active founder and a non-exec WA ambassador... so ya know, raiding would be useless. Use ya head boy-o.

Skril wrote:Hello Everyone,

I'm new and I was wondering if I can get any help and advice.

Sure what can we help with?

Ronacria wrote:Welp, the UCR met its end, for like, the third time.

Good news everyone.

Miencraft wrote:To anyone who sent in a citizenship application recently, I'm sorry it's been taking so long, but one of my cats has been having health issues that unfortunately can't be resolved, and I have to deal with him before I can pay attention to the game.
Sorry Mien :(

I would like to learn the basics for the most part. I have just been winging the game so far.

Muh Roads wrote:Good news everyone.

Neat! *takes photo*

Muh Roads

Skril wrote:I would like to learn the basics for the most part. I have just been winging the game so far.

To play Nationstates is rather simple, just answering issues and seeing the results on your nation page sometime later. All the basic gameplay stuff can be found in the FAQ section of the site if you need help right away. Otherwise, there's always debate and friendly chat here on our regional message board, and of course we regularly engage in combat with other regions through the world assembly system set up by the game. I can walk you through it all if you like!

Muh Roads wrote:To play Nationstates is rather simple, just answering issues and seeing the results on your nation page sometime later. All the basic gameplay stuff can be found in the FAQ section of the site if you need help right away. Otherwise, there's always debate and friendly chat here on our regional message board, and of course we regularly engage in combat with other regions through the world assembly system set up by the game. I can walk you through it all if you like!

That would be great! Thank you. I already love the game it would be even better knowing what to expect.

New Shizturdea

The progressives finally realized that Sweden was a bad example for their social democracy, and are now praising Denmark and it's flexicurity model.

Of course, both libertarians and progressives can claim Denmark as a success, in other areas. Denmark has low barriers to trade, and is mostly import driven, being on the water. Denmark has a high negotiated minimum wage, 20$ an hour. This is no success, as it's tax rates (40-50%), pretty much make this high minimum wage not much different from the US. But can you still say that, even with taxes, people have more disposable income than in the US? I am unconvinced, and currently looking for evidence that it isn't.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The progressives finally realized that Sweden was a bad example for their social democracy, and are now praising Denmark and it's flexicurity model.

Of course, both libertarians and progressives can claim Denmark as a success, in other areas. Denmark has low barriers to trade, and is mostly import driven, being on the water. Denmark has a high negotiated minimum wage, 20$ an hour. This is no success, as it's tax rates (40-50%), pretty much make this high minimum wage not much different from the US. But can you still say that, even with taxes, people have more disposable income than in the US? I am unconvinced, and currently looking for evidence that it isn't.

It doesn't have a minimum wage. Wages are negotiated between unions and companies, which of course isn't ideal but is still far more free-market than government-imposed price controls.

Ronacria wrote:Welp, the UCR met its end, for like, the third time.

Immature teenage state-"anarchist" mismanages region of over 20 nations? Oh my!

TNUS wins the fifth seat of board

Pevvania

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:TNUS wins the fifth seat of board

Huzzah! The RLP dictatorship lives on!

Mr. Chairman, what do you think about my TOTAL RECALL amendment?

When the Republicans had (some) integrity: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1995/roll277.xml

A proposed amendment to the constitution was voted on in 1995 to place term limits on Members of Congress. Only 17% of Republicans in the House voted against this amendment. More than three quarters of Democrats voted against it.

This is really cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Republican_National_Convention#Platform

Apparently Ron Paul did have some concrete influence on the mainstream GOP. In the 2012 platform, you've got the typical authoritarian garbage - ban gay marriage, totally ban abortion - but there's also stuff in there that would have been unheard of to the neo-cons of the party before that year: included in the platform are promises to audit the Federal Reserve and a commitment to repealing Sixteenth Amendment and the federal income tax. Interesting stuff.

What does everyone think about voting ages?

Skril wrote:That would be great! Thank you. I already love the game it would be even better knowing what to expect.

There are a lot of variables, but essentially raiding other regions consists of obtaining the WA delegate position (the seat that I currently hold, you can see my name above the founders). Once held, the world factbook entry is typically changed (to you've been raided or such and such) and the members of that region are ejected and banned.

You'll learn more about it if you decide to join our military. I also highly suggest familiarizing yourself with our regional laws before you request to do so.

Thanks for joining Libertatem! I think you'll love it here!

Internal Affairs prepare yourself yet again... more recruiting tomorrow :)

Muh Roads wrote:There are a lot of variables, but essentially raiding other regions consists of obtaining the WA delegate position (the seat that I currently hold, you can see my name above the founders). Once held, the world factbook entry is typically changed (to you've been raided or such and such) and the members of that region are ejected and banned.

You'll learn more about it if you decide to join our military. I also highly suggest familiarizing yourself with our regional laws before you request to do so.

Thanks for joining Libertatem! I think you'll love it here!

I think I will like to join your military because well a majority of my funding is going to my military. I will also look over your rules and I think I will love it here.

Wovenland wrote:What does everyone think about voting ages?

Voting ages can bite my shiny metal glasses! It shouldn't matter whether you're seven, seventeen, or seventy - if you're smart enough to correctly fill in a ballot, you should have the right to vote.

Condealism Envoy Unit One wrote:Voting ages can bite my shiny metal glasses! It shouldn't matter whether you're seven, seventeen, or seventy - if you're smart enough to correctly fill in a ballot, you should have the right to vote.

Um when I was 7 I really liked Hillary Clinton. So yeah no.

Pevvania, Right-Winged Nation

If any of you want to experience real, unabashed terror in fear of the future of humanity, please visit this website: http://everydayfeminism.com/

My brain will take a good 12 hours to get unclogged of that nonsense.

Pevvania wrote:If any of you want to experience real, unabashed terror in fear of the future of humanity, please visit this website: http://everydayfeminism.com/

My brain will take a good 12 hours to get unclogged of that nonsense.

Was that a microaggression, you bigot? What next; you gonna tooth-shame some working-class minorities?

#blacklivesmatter #nonbinaryandproud

Pevvania, Right-Winged Nation

Pevvania wrote:Huzzah! The RLP dictatorship lives on!

Mr. Chairman, what do you think about my TOTAL RECALL amendment?

It's aight bruh

Midland County wrote:Um when I was 7 I really liked Hillary Clinton. So yeah no.

Not that I expect most seven-year-olds to be familiar with the voting process, anyway. Some might be, though.

Thing is, idiocy knows no age - for example, thousands of people of various ages put things like "Mickey Mouse" or "Superman" in the write-in ballot during every Presidential election. Indeed, a large percentage of voters do little to no research on the candidates, and are greatly influenced by what they see on television - on the other hand, there are many teens and even children who would know better than to vote unprepared. Why should they be denied the right to vote?

Or you know, we could just demolish the state and not worry about voting ages... :)

Miencraft, Condealism Envoy Unit One

The New United States! Why you gotta be so anti-communist? You know anarcho-socialists have feelings as well...:(

New Shizturdea wrote:The New United States! Why you gotta be so anti-communist? You know anarcho-socialists have feelings as well...:(

I've honestly never heard of an anarcho-socialist. Anarcho-communist, sure, but how does anarcho-socialism work?

Fun fact: in November of 2008, Zimbabwe hit an inflation rate of 89,700,000,000,000,000,000,000%.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Miencraft, Midland County, International Union For Peace

Pevvania wrote:Fun fact: in November of 2008, Zimbabwe hit an inflation rate of 89,700,000,000,000,000,000,000%.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Mugabe is best president.

International Union For Peace

Muh Roads wrote:I've honestly never heard of an anarcho-socialist. Anarcho-communist, sure, but how does anarcho-socialism work?

Mutualism is anarcho-socialism, iirc

Only when FedEx destroys my house and robs me at gunpoint (like the State) will I ever take the"corporashuns r ebil" argument seriously.

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, Ustenland, Condealism Envoy Unit One

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Only when FedEx destroys my house and robs me at gunpoint (like the State) will I ever take the"corporashuns r ebil" argument seriously.

How blind do you have to be to think that voluntary associations selling goods and services for profit can be anywhere near as powerful as an organisation that has all the guns, all the money (literally) and all the coercive power. The state is the ultimate monopoly.

Miencraft, The New United States, Ustenland, Condealism Envoy Unit One

Not a huge fan of corporations, but I would be if the state didn't subsidize them and treat them as more important than small businesses.

Pevvania

Condealism Envoy Unit One wrote:Not a huge fan of corporations, but I would be if the state didn't subsidize them and treat them as more important than small businesses.

You're buying into the leftist definition of corporation. The legal definition of 'corporation' encompasses all types of business. Your local mom and pop handyman store is run by a corporation, just as Coca Cola is.

But I agree, many (but not all) modern large corporations are cesspools of corruption and cronyism. Decent enterprises have become corrupted by the allure of booty and power parcelled out by the state. I've said many times before that libertarianism is not pro-corporate in the slightest. In fact, in a libertarian society many presently existing corporations would collapse under the weight of free competition. Under a normal free market system, profit and loss mechanisms determine the success and failure of a company. If a consumer is dissatisfied with the company they buy from, they buy from a different company. This process is distorted under a corporatist system of privatised profits and socialised losses.

Greetings Libertatem!

This is [nation=short]Fibertas[/nation], the incoming Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Commonwealth Of Free Nations.

Just wanted to drop by and say hello to our good friends!

I'm conducting a CFN foreign policy report so I'm visiting all of our embassy regions. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to TG me.

Pevvania

Cfn Minister Of Foreign Affairs wrote:Greetings Libertatem!

This is [nation=short]Fibertas[/nation], the incoming Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Commonwealth Of Free Nations.

Just wanted to drop by and say hello to our good friends!

I'm conducting a CFN foreign policy report so I'm visiting all of our embassy regions. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to TG me.

Hey, Fibertas! Reminder that we have an ambassador to Libertatem. Me.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Hey, Fibertas! Reminder that we have an ambassador to Libertatem. Me.

Ah. Yes. Sorry haha forgot about that!

Which would you all prefer:

Dying at 105 after an ordinary life in every way

Or

Dying at 50 after an extraordinary life in every way

Greetings to all of Libertatem. We are proud to have recently joined your region, and look forward to enjoying freedom and commerce with all of it's members. I co-founded Industrial City with a few other like minded bold pioneers of industry as a private business project with a mission to build a city-state where only individual freedom and one's own endeavor determined one's standing in life. After leaving the once noble United States during the 1960's after it became a slave to the church and certain subversive social movements which began to introduce cultural Marxism into the nation, we have succeeded in building a great citadel for free trade and reason. All who seek to trade and work freely are welcome to join us in Industrial City.

-Howard Atlas, Chairman of The Industrial City Board of Directors

Muh Roads

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Which would you all prefer:

Dying at 105 after an ordinary life in every way

Or

Dying at 50 after an extraordinary life in every way

I don't think you can call it ordinary in every way if it ends at 105. ;)

I suppose my answer would depend upon the circumstances of the death. If they both involved being healthy and active up until dying suddenly on the spot from a stroke or something, I think I'd choose, the long, ordinary life, as I think I could be happy either way, and that's what really matters in the end.

My issue with death is not the dying so much as the watching your body deteriorate until you're just a shadow of yourself.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Which would you all prefer:

Dying at 105 after an ordinary life in every way

Or

Dying at 50 after an extraordinary life in every way

The long life, no question. I guess "ordinary" means "not extraordinary bad", too and who could say what "extraordinary" would be in the end?

Industrial City wrote: Greetings to all of Libertatem. We are proud to have recently joined your region, and look forward to enjoying freedom and commerce with all of it's members. I co-founded Industrial City with a few other like minded bold pioneers of industry as a private business project with a mission to build a city-state where only individual freedom and one's own endeavor determined one's standing in life. After leaving the once noble United States during the 1960's after it became a slave to the church and certain subversive social movements which began to introduce cultural Marxism into the nation, we have succeeded in building a great citadel for free trade and reason. All who seek to trade and work freely are welcome to join us in Industrial City.

-Howard Atlas, Chairman of The Industrial City Board of Directors

Hey, this is familiar.

Industrial City

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Mutualism is anarcho-socialism, iirc

Ohhh.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Which would you all prefer:

Dying at 105 after an ordinary life in every way

Or

Dying at 50 after an extraordinary life in every way

What exactly is an ordinary life? What's an extraordinary life?

Muh Roads wrote:Ohhh.What exactly is an ordinary life? What's an extraordinary life?

Or

Muh Roads wrote:Ohhh.What exactly is an ordinary life? What's an extraordinary life?

Ordinary is like everyone else. You are born, you get a job, you die. Not necessarily bad.

Extraordinary is something great. You doing something amazing like becoming famous or something.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:

Extraordinary is something great. You doing something amazing like becoming famous or something.

I once had a streak of 14 wins on words with friends. Does this qualify?

Pevvania, Muh Roads

Let it be known that I am going out to camp for a week, so my activity will be little to none until Friday.

Humpheria In Libertatem wrote:Let it be known that I am going out to camp for a week, so my activity will be little to none until Friday.

Okay

Friendly reminder:

Newcomers with at least 10 days residency under your belt should apply for citizenship and then contact [nation=pevvania] or [nation=republic_of_minerva] if you wish to join the military.

Thank you!

Toxicflame wrote:Will do.

Thanks!

Today's topic:

Are you or have you ever been a tinfoil hat wearing nut job?

;)

Muh Roads wrote:Today's topic:

Are you or have you ever been a tinfoil hat wearing nut job?

;)

If you were, would you know it?

United Environmentalist States Of Mhomen wrote:Hi guys. Good afternoon

Mhomen 2: Return of Mhomen

Tyrinth, The New United States, Muh Roads, Condealism Envoy Unit One

The Aradites wrote:Mhomen 2: Return of Mhomen

Mhomen 2: Return of Mhomen

Who the hell is back, baby?

Featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mhomen

Pevvania, Muh Roads, The Aradites, Midland County, Condealism Envoy Unit One

The Federal Islands is dead!!!

The New United States wrote:Mhomen 2: Return of Mhomen

Who the hell is back, baby?

Featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mhomen

Oh gosh. Read all of Mhomen's posts in Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice. It's perfect.

"Natural rights arguments are just appeals to nature"

"If you like rapeseed oil you're a rapist"

Miencraft, Tyrinth, The New United States, Yrellian Confederacy

Tyrinth wrote:If you were, would you know it?

Possibly, I mean, you should have the mental capacity to at least know you are wearing a tinfoil hat. However, the hat could all just be a huge conspiracy. Can jet fuel melt tinfoil? Blame Obama.

Good day. I may not be a libertarian in the traditional sense or in the American sense of the word, but the right to individual sovereignty and self-determination is my ultimate goal as an anarchist.

Autarchist Anti-State wrote:Good day. I may not be a libertarian in the traditional sense or in the American sense of the word, but the right to individual sovereignty and self-determination is my ultimate goal as an anarchist.

Welcome!

Autarchist Anti-State wrote:Good day. I may not be a libertarian in the traditional sense or in the American sense of the word, but the right to individual sovereignty and self-determination is my ultimate goal as an anarchist.

You already know me as Amoroff in A3.

While historically libertarian, this region has supported a lot of other ideologies as well. We have had social democrats, liberals of all kinds, anarchists of all kinds, basically everyone who supports individual liberty.

Today was the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta, the document that first limited power of the king, as well as taxes. While Britain was never terribly libertarian or liberal (unlike France and the US), it does have some firsts in that regard, and there is a long standing traditional british classical liberal movement, although most liberals, such as the Liberal Party and the Liberal Democrats, are definitely authoritarian on economic positions.

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:You already know me as Amoroff in A3.

While historically libertarian, this region has supported a lot of other ideologies as well. We have had social democrats, liberals of all kinds, anarchists of all kinds, basically everyone who supports individual liberty.

Ah yes, the agorist--although probably one of the many in A3. Sorry for nation-hopping. I can't decide what to be at times and rapidly change nations.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Today was the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta, the document that first limited power of the king, as well as taxes. While Britain was never terribly libertarian or liberal (unlike France and the US), it does have some firsts in that regard, and there is a long standing traditional british classical liberal movement, although most liberals, such as the Liberal Party and the Liberal Democrats, are definitely authoritarian on economic positions.

Do they advocate for a planned economy or something, considering they're authoritarian?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Today was the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta, the document that first limited power of the king, as well as taxes. While Britain was never terribly libertarian or liberal (unlike France and the US), it does have some firsts in that regard, and there is a long standing traditional british classical liberal movement, although most liberals, such as the Liberal Party and the Liberal Democrats, are definitely authoritarian on economic positions.

I went to a lecture at a liberty conference a few months ago on the subject of the Magna Carta. In short, it was never really in use here due to suspension by the monarchy early in its life, and today only three sections of the document are legally recognised, all of which are either redundent or symbolic.

Pevvania wrote:I went to a lecture at a liberty conference a few months ago on the subject of the Magna Carta. In short, it was never really in use here due to suspension by the monarchy early in its life, and today only three sections of the document are legally recognised, all of which are either redundent or symbolic.

I read that four of it's clauses are still in force today (in the UK):

'clause one guaranteeing that the “English church” shall be “free and shall have its rights undiminished”; clause 13 permitting the City of London to “enjoy all its liberties and ancient customs”; and clauses 39 and 40, which are jointly seen as embodying what have become the rights of habeas corpus – banning arbitrary detention – and trial by jury.'

Autarchist Anti-State wrote:Ah yes, the agorist--although probably one of the many in A3. Sorry for nation-hopping. I can't decide what to be at times and rapidly change nations.

Do they advocate for a planned economy or something, considering they're authoritarian?

Worse! They advocate corporatism!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Worse! They advocate corporatism!

Well, that sounds sucky but nothing I wouldn't expect from liberals or conservatives from the Anglosphere. How fascist are they economy-wise?

You know that one movie that is so stupid it's funny? Beavis and Butthead Do America is that movie

Autarchist Anti-State wrote:Well, that sounds sucky but nothing I wouldn't expect from liberals or conservatives from the Anglosphere. How fascist are they economy-wise?

Austerity measures for failed stimuluses, although that's not different from every other neoliberal party.

Perhaps Pev can help?

Let it be known that [nation=rothbard_communities] is actually an authoritarian communist who tried to lead a failed revolution in our allied region [region=zentari] and is not to be trusted.

Also, I'm ceasing recruiting for a brief time. We need to let the unattended accounts CTE, then we will recruit again.

Also... Gabriel is gone... Mien lost his greatest rival.

Miencraft

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