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Blah! the cakes I got were bitter with corruption and oppression. The cakes must have been made in China or Laos.

Ah, those were erroneous shipments of cake.

They should do no harm to you, but if you relay those to some Communists...

Anyways, we're sending over fresh cakes now.

Hate to be "that guy" but that got really weird, really fast. Just sayin', good metaphor though.

Roskovia wrote:Blah! the cakes I got were bitter with corruption and oppression. The cakes must have been made in China or Laos.

Maybe North Korea or Venezuela, via forced labor. It tasted a little bit like rum, it probably came from Cuba.

MUST HAVE GLUTEN FREE LIBERTY CAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blahbania wrote:MUST HAVE GLUTEN FREE LIBERTY CAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What??? MUH GLUTEN!

Muh Roads wrote:What??? MUH GLUTEN!

Gluten free, just for Gary Johnson

I need to be more active lol.

Lack There Of wrote:Gluten free, just for Gary Johnson

Aww okay. I'll pass on the animal products this time. :p

I like Gary Johnson. It would've been so awesome if he got elected President.

So, looks like Condemn the Internationale is gonna be shot down, only got an hour and a half left to get 20 more delegates on it.

So sad.

Miencraft wrote:So, looks like Condemn the Internationale is gonna be shot down, only got an hour and a half left to get 20 more delegates on it.

So sad.

Send it to Greater Fascism, I will support it.

Greater Fascism Libertatem wrote:Send it to Greater Fascism, I will support it.

That nation can't support it, as it isn't a regional delegate.

I've tried to support it, but I've reached the conclusion that it's delegate-only,

Oh. Well I can't help you then. I used to be one though, but guess who raided and took over my region?

Greater Fascism Libertatem wrote:Oh. Well I can't help you then. I used to be one though, but guess who raided and took over my region?

TBR maybe?

The Internationale

Humpheria wrote:The Internationale

The Internationale is burning right now. It'll be back, of course, but right now it's firmly out of action.

Pevvania wrote:I like Gary Johnson. It would've been so awesome if he got elected President.

I know. It really sucks how 3rd party candidates will probably never gain ground in the US

I've heard he's not exactly the most honest politician. I bet the Libertarian Party had a few better contenders, but the chances of them being as renowned as politicians on the Republican or Democrat tickets? Next to nil.

Third parties don't get enough love. Except for the ones that get too much, like the Socialist or Green Parties.

I think that in the next fifty years we will see what happened to the Whig Party. The majority party of an idealism will be taken over by a third party until the original party is a third party and eventually die out. You can already see the beginning of the process with the Libertarian Party gaining fame and the Republican Party falling from grace.

Also, today is the 72nd anniversary of the Day That Will Live in Infamy. So, remember Pearl Harbor.

Knowing how backwards this town is, the flags have probably been at full today, regardless of that Sunday in '41.

Miencraft wrote:Knowing how backwards this town is, the flags have probably been at full today, regardless of that Sunday in '41.

Are they on crack?

Anyway, I will be going on vacation tomorrow, so if I am inactive for an unusually long amount of time, DONT PANIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blahbania wrote:Anyway, I will be going on vacation tomorrow, so if I am inactive for an unusually long amount of time, DONT PANIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am already panicing!!

J/k... Have fun Blahbania!

Muh Roads wrote:I am already panicing!!

J/k... Have fun Blahbania!

Thanks :)

EVERYBODY DO THE PANIC

*invents some new dance craze in Blahbania's honor*

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I know. It really sucks how 3rd party candidates will probably never gain ground in the US

Not necessarily. While the mathematics of the first-past-the-post system inevitably results in two-party domination, it doesn't mean that third parties still can't gain significant ground. Here in Britain, the Liberal Democratic Party was instrumental in securing the Conservative Party victory. UKIP is on the rise and threatening to take many Conservative seats in the next election. Minority parties can be quite powerful, and even unseat the major ones. In the 1920s-40s, the Conservative/Liberal duopoly became a Conservative/Labour duopoly. The same thing has happened in America dozens of times.

But I don't think it'll get to the point where the LP actually becomes a major party. The Republicans will have to absorb some or most of their ideals before the liberty movement becomes too strong. So I think we'll win either way, to be honest with you.

Fun fact: President Obama has violated over 14 provisions of the Constitution, and 7 out of 10 Articles of the Bill of Rights. With a GOP as militant as the one in place now, why hasn't he been impeached already?

I have asked myself that so many times before. It's ridiculous.

[B]The First Presidential Election[/B]

...will occur later this month. I will be spending the Christmas period with my lovely family in Canada, so I'm unsure how active I will be in regards to regional affairs. But I will call an election at some point before the end of the month when I can be active enough to campaign.

In the meantime, I need y'all to decide on whether to enact a password or not from the 18th-January the 3rd. Raids are always a possibility, and while invaders wouldn't be able to eject many nations, they could still do considerable damage to the region. Vote on it.

I vote yea on password locking the region. Just so we can cover ourselves in our downtime.

Post self-deleted by The Liberty Front.

Howdy Libertatemians.

Vipertaria wrote:Howdy Libertatemians.

I like to think that we're 'Libertans' :)

I'm getting this for my birthday: http://www.zazzle.co.uk/reagan_for_president_2016_pull_over_sweatshirts-235848626729089933

Pretty awesome, right? :D

Muh Roads wrote:Hello The Liberty Front and Vipertaria. Welcome to Libertatem!

Thank you. :D

Pevvania wrote:I like to think that we're 'Libertans' :)

I like "Libertatens." :)

Libertatens. I like that name. And very nice shirt.

Pevvania wrote:I'm getting this for my birthday: http://www.zazzle.co.uk/reagan_for_president_2016_pull_over_sweatshirts-235848626729089933

Pretty awesome, right? :D

Here, let me go legally change my name to "Reagan" and run for President in '16.

That's awesome, though.

Also, I vote YEA on the password protection. Just to protect us while we'd potentially be vulnerable.

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

Pevvania wrote:[B]The First Presidential Election[/B]

...will occur later this month. I will be spending the Christmas period with my lovely family in Canada, so I'm unsure how active I will be in regards to regional affairs. But I will call an election at some point before the end of the month when I can be active enough to campaign.

In the meantime, I need y'all to decide on whether to enact a password or not from the 18th-January the 3rd. Raids are always a possibility, and while invaders wouldn't be able to eject many nations, they could still do considerable damage to the region. Vote on it.

Humpheria wrote: Under the BOARD Amendment there are five structured seats in the Board and they are as follows:

First Seat: Muh Roads

Second Seat: Humpheria

Third Seat: Miencraft

Fourth Seat: Islands

Fifth Seat: Abaretta

The seat orders are not in any particular order that is just how the dice fell. The way this election is going to go is starting December Tenth nations can announce their candidacy. The deadline for campaign announcements will be December Twentieth, which is also the start of the actual campaign period, which will cease the Twenty-fifth with the start of the election. Think about whether or not you want to run and just remember to contain your enthusiasm for Regional politics until Dec. 10th.

Thanks,

Humpheria

Chairman of the Board

Libertatem

Remember that Board elections will be roughly the same time. In two days nations may announce their candidacy. To do so they must post on the RMB their name, the seat for which they wish to run (you must pick one), and their party (RLP, LP, Independent, Green, Socialist, Fascist, Communist). You may do this at any time from the Tenth to the Twentieth which is the time for campaigning, which is optional. Incumbents must announce their candidacy as well.

I'm partial to Libertatemite, myself.

Pevvania wrote:I'm getting this for my birthday: http://www.zazzle.co.uk/reagan_for_president_2016_pull_over_sweatshirts-235848626729089933

Pretty awesome, right? :D

It will suit you well my friend. Will be good to have when you move back to 'Murica someday lol

What do y'all think about Rand Paul's Detroit proposal?

Link, in case you haven't heard:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/6/rand-paul-pushes-economic-freedom-zones-detroit/

It sounds absolutely wonderful, to me.

I like it, Detroit being where most of my family resides, I will support just about anything that doesn't involve bailing out from Washington. At this point, I'll support whatever improves the situation there.

Mallaska wrote:I like it, Detroit being where most of my family resides, I will support just about anything that doesn't involve bailing out from Washington. At this point, I'll support whatever improves the situation there.

Heh. I very much support it, as well, but I live in Atlanta.

The Liberty Front wrote:What do y'all think about Rand Paul's Detroit proposal?

Link, in case you haven't heard:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/6/rand-paul-pushes-economic-freedom-zones-detroit/

It sounds absolutely wonderful, to me.

I would like this if it was everywhere

The Liberty Front wrote:What do y'all think about Rand Paul's Detroit proposal?

Link, in case you haven't heard:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/6/rand-paul-pushes-economic-freedom-zones-detroit/

It sounds absolutely wonderful, to me.

I saw the first sentence where it said "slash taxes and regulatory red tape"

And then I was immediately, "YES."

Today is my birthday! Plus, I have a cricked neck.

Einsiev wrote:Today is my birthday! Plus, I have a cricked neck.

Happy birthday, Einsiev :)

Anyone want Dead Space 3 on Origin? I'll give it away if at least 10 nations put their names down for a lottery.

Happy Birthday Einsiev!

Thanks! Can't go to school so I'm home alone playing Battlefield 3.

Einsiev wrote:Thanks! Can't go to school so I'm home alone playing Battlefield 3.

I wish my employer would let me stay home and play video games today! :)

Enjoy the time off the best you can! Neck problems suck..

Yep, lol. What a birthday.

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Well, where would you end up getting that money from?

I mean, I have nothing against free money. I like free money. One time I found 40 bucks and went and bought Morrowind and Oblivion. My problem is with where the money is coming from, and I'd really rather see it go towards something useful, like the debt. Or bridges that don't go anywhere.

If the feds magically gave everyone enough money to eliminate poverty, chances are you'd have communism after a while.

Also, happy birthday Einsiev.

Miencraft wrote:Well, where would you end up getting that money from?

I mean, I have nothing against free money. I like free money. One time I found 40 bucks and went and bought Morrowind and Oblivion. My problem is with where the money is coming from, and I'd really rather see it go towards something useful, like the debt. Or bridges that don't go anywhere.

If the feds magically gave everyone enough money to eliminate poverty, chances are you'd have communism after a while.

Not necessarily. You'd just have everyone sustaining themselves either through work or other means.

Miencraft wrote:

Also, happy birthday Einsiev.

Thanks!

Pevvania wrote:Not necessarily. You'd just have everyone sustaining themselves either through work or other means.

Well, eventually you'd have some (which is to say, most) people dependent on the handouts, and then it'd just deteriorate through there.

Ideally though, yes, they'd all sustain themselves.

Galacticorp wrote:hey guys, ive been thinking... the Obamacare website cost $659 million. That's enough to give $2 million to each US citizen. What if the government did that? What would the repercussions be if they just gave enough money to lift everyone out of poverty??

Maybe I misunderstand what you've said, but 659 million divided by 314 million does not equal 2 million.

Galacticorp wrote:hey guys, ive been thinking... the Obamacare website cost $659 million. That's enough to give $2 million to each US citizen. What if the government did that? What would the repercussions be if they just gave enough money to lift everyone out of poverty??

#inflation

Ungodly inflation

Lack There Of wrote:#inflation

Ungodly inflation

You beat me to it! I could see a can of corn going from 99 cents to $100 overnight.. lol

Inflation is worse than regular taxation.

Who's your favourite internet pundit? Mine are Libertarian Girl and Skyler Lehto.

The Lone Star wrote:Inflation is worse than regular taxation.

Indeed. A 1% flat tax means nothing when the price of bread triples every day.

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Speaking of inflation, how would it be kept at low levels in a society of hard currency and free banking? Perhaps the only boon of the Federal Reserve is that it's done a fairly good job at keeping controlling inflation, especially in the Vlocker years of the 1980s.

All tax is theft in my opinion.

"Oh you just made $1,000 this month? Wow that's awesome! We will go ahead and taking 1/4 of that for no reason at all! Thanks!"-The Government

"No please don't, I worked so hard and earned it all by myself please"-Any Hard Working Citizen

"Well that sucks, because now we are giving to people who don't work hard and who don't deserve your hard earned money."-The Government

"YAY FREE STUFF!!!"-Any Non-Working Citizen That Can Work

It makes me sick.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:All tax is theft in my opinion.

"Oh you just made $1,000 this month? Wow that's awesome! We will go ahead and taking 1/4 of that for no reason at all! Thanks!"-The Government

"No please don't, I worked so hard and earned it all by myself please"-Any Hard Working Citizen

"Well that sucks, because now we are giving to people who don't work hard and who don't deserve your hard earned money."-The Government

"YAY FREE STUFF!!!"-Any Non-Working Citizen That Can Work

It makes me sick.

I agree. A citizen's money unjustly taken from them and infused to tasks that the citizenry often doesn't condone is simply disgraceful, especially when most of those taxes pay freeloaders and Congress (Basically the same).

On taxes, I'd rather like to see the Liberty Amendment on Taxes to be pushed through, as it puts a 15% cap on income tax and disallows Congress from collecting (probably not the right word there) inheritance tax and federal sales tax. Given that tax is indeed the equivalent of theft, it's a start, and should make everything a lot nicer.

Related, the chapter containing the amendment regarding taxes also contains an accompanying amendment on spending, which limits federal spending to 17.5 percent of the GDP for the prior calendar year and mandates that outlays not exceed receipts each fiscal year. It also mandates that the debt limit can't be increased unless 3/5 of each the House and Senate agree by roll call vote. There are a few other provisions, but it's pretty nice, would be great to have them both pushed at the same time.

I hate Congress in general. If Congress were on fire, they wouldn't even pass the "Pour Water on Congress Act".

Funny thing is, the states could technically push an amendment to do something about that if they wanted to.

I'm referring to setting Congress on fire, of course. "Amendment XXVIII: 1. On every July the Fourth, the Capitol Building is to be destroyed by fire, then reconstructed by the following July. 2. Any Congresspeople killed in the blaze will be replaced as soon as possible. 3. This Amendment shall not take effect until ratified..."

Congress should either be dissolved or forced to allow 3rd party candidates and independents with the same representation to be in congress. That way all beliefs are accurately represented. But to get any of that done, you have to convince Congress to do so. Which they will never do because they are a bunch of scummy bears.

Well, you could get the states to push an amendment mandating such a thing.

I mean, you can cut Congress out of it entirely by using the second method provided for in Article 5, "The Congress... shall propose amendments... or... two thirds of the several states shall call a convention for proposing amendments... in either case, shall be valid... ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states"

So, you can bypass Congress.

Like, completely.

Thus, you can mandate changes to Congress to keep it in line or just completely annihilate it.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Congress should either be dissolved or forced to allow 3rd party candidates and independents with the same representation to be in congress. That way all beliefs are accurately represented. But to get any of that done, you have to convince Congress to do so. Which they will never do because they are a bunch of scummy bears.

You can' force Congress to allow third party representatives, they have to get elected first and the only Independents in Congress are old Democrats who couldn't win a nomination.

I think we should force it for several reasons. The people elect the representatives, but most are extremely uninformed about 3rd party candidates and ideals other than those of republicans and democrats. The parties own almost all crucial election media. They can suppress other parties as much as they want with no repercussions. I think they should at least be forced to invite the candidates to debates.

And for Independents, I meant people that truly have never had any political affiliation and have no bias, hard to come by, but I believe they existÂ… somewhere out there.

Miencraft wrote:Well, you could get the states to push an amendment mandating such a thing.

I mean, you can cut Congress out of it entirely by using the second method provided for in Article 5, "The Congress... shall propose amendments... or... two thirds of the several states shall call a convention for proposing amendments... in either case, shall be valid... ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states"

So, you can bypass Congress.

Like, completely.

Thus, you can mandate changes to Congress to keep it in line or just completely annihilate it.

That's a really good point but again, you have to go threw state officials who are supposed to uphold their party's beliefs and they would purposely vote against something like I suggest to protect their party's interests. It's not even democracy, it's indefensible.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:

That's a really good point but again, you have to go threw state officials who are supposed to uphold their party's beliefs and they would purposely vote against something like I suggest to protect their party's interests. It's not even democracy, it's indefensible.

Well, it's really the best chance we'd get at doing something like that, so.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:I think we should force it for several reasons. The people elect the representatives, but most are extremely uninformed about 3rd party candidates and ideals other than those of republicans and democrats. The parties own almost all crucial election media. They can suppress other parties as much as they want with no repercussions. I think they should at least be forced to invite the candidates to debates.

And for Independents, I meant people that truly have never had any political affiliation and have no bias, hard to come by, but I believe they existÂ… somewhere out there.

That's a really good point but again, you have to go threw state officials who are supposed to uphold their party's beliefs and they would purposely vote against something like I suggest to protect their party's interests. It's not even democracy, it's indefensible.

Lets all take a step back and think about this. Forcing certain viewpoints on others at the end of a gun is what the government does. If we start yelling to do the same we become no better than they.

http://tinypic.com/r/35aktg8/5

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Citizens of Libertatem!

Since we have people in multiple time zones I thought we'd get this started now. I am hereby kicking off the Board election by opening announcements of campaigns. Any Libertatem citizen is eligible for candidacy. To announce just post the following on the RMB before the eighteenth: name of nation, seat that you are running for, and party affiliation (RLP, Libertarian, Green, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Independent). Incumbents must announce their candidacy, and if they do not do so then they will lose their seat. The current board is as follows:

Seat One: [nation]Muh Roads[/nation] RLP

Seat Two: [nation]Humpheria[/nation] RLP

Seat Three: [nation]Islands[/nation] Independent

Seat Four: [nation]Miencraft[/nation] Independent

Seat Five: [nation]Abaretta[/nation] Libertarian

Remember to take your time and think it over, you have eight days. It is a big decision to make because the Board will be much more active this term. Good luck to all, and thank you for participating in Regional politics.

Sincerely Yours,

[nation=short]Humpheria[/nation]

Lack There Of wrote:Lets all take a step back and think about this. Forcing certain viewpoints on others at the end of a gun is what the government does. If we start yelling to do the same we become no better than they.

ah true it's just really hard to talk about without seeing yourself become the problem.

Also would it be weird for me, a new comer, to run in this election?

I intend to campaign to keep the position of first seat as a member of the RLP.

I hope to continue to serve the fine nations of Libertatem for another term.

Some highlights in my career as a board member:

I was the only board member to vote against the unconstitutional "constitution reform" act. This act featured a poorly written constitution and the act itself was very vague. Since proven unconstitutional, the "new" constitution did no come to pass.

Helped in the war against communism. I participated in Reagan's Riders and recieved a medal for my service.

I've stayed active and have done my best to make new nations feel comfortable and welcome to their new region.

Please consider re-electing Muh Roads as first seat on the board.

I will help Libertatem build the roads to success!

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:ah true it's just really hard to talk about without seeing yourself become the problem.

Also would it be weird for me, a new comer, to run in this election?

Not at all! Participate if you wish!

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

Muh Roads wrote:I intend to campaign to keep the position of first seat as a member of the RLP.

I hope to continue to serve the fine nations of Libertatem for another term.

Some highlights in my career as a board member:

I was the only board member to vote against the unconstitutional "constitution reform" act. This act featured a poorly written constitution and the act itself was very vague. Since proven unconstitutional, the "new" constitution did no come to pass.

Helped in the war against communism. I participated in Reagan's Riders and recieved a medal for my service.

I've stayed active and have done my best to make new nations feel comfortable and welcome to their new region.

Please consider re-electing [nation] muh roads [/nation] as first seat on the board.

I will help Libertatem build the roads to success!

Thank you [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation]! I encourage others make a shot. Just a quick layout: Dec. 9/10th - Dec. 18th(EST) Announcement. Dec. 18th - Dec. 25 Campaign. Dec. 25 - Dec. 28th Election via Telegram to President [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]

Crap my country went from New York Times Democracy to Democratic Socialist the last couple issues were hard choices but I'll make sure to make more capitalistic choices in the future. Unfortunately Incentivism is not in NationState's scale of Nation Rating because if there was that would be where the USZ is at

I would like to announce my candidacy for the Second Seat of the Board. I came to this region early in my NationStates career at an incredibly historical time. I am glad to say that I entered under the rule of President [nation=short]Snabagag[/nation]. I also entered right before the Delegacy race, and while prescribing to [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]'s ideology I tried as hard as I could to get him elected and succeeded. I was a appointed to the Board under the new President and I was elected to Chairman directly afterwards. I have stayed active, or at least tried to, and I check the region regularly. Everything I have done in my term, I have done for the good of the region, including the ill-fated attempt at government reform. Many people did not support my authoring an open draft, but I feel that after the region moved past it they were left stronger from it, I to have lived and learned and hope to use the experience that I have gained to continue to serve my region, our region. In closing, I would like to thank [nation]Pevvania[/nation] and my fellow Board members for a great first term, and here's to an even better second.

Humpheria wrote:I would like to announce my candidacy for the Second Seat of the Board. I came to this region early in my NationStates career at an incredibly historical time. I am glad to say that I entered under the rule of President [nation=short]Snabagag[/nation]. I also entered right before the Delegacy race, and while prescribing to [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]'s ideology I tried as hard as I could to get him elected and succeeded. I was a appointed to the Board under the new President and I was elected to Chairman directly afterwards. I have stayed active, or at least tried to, and I check the region regularly. Everything I have done in my term, I have done for the good of the region, including the ill-fated attempt at government reform. Many people did not support my authoring an open draft, but I feel that after the region moved past it they were left stronger from it, I to have lived and learned and hope to use the experience that I have gained to continue to serve my region, our region. In closing, I would like to thank [nation]Pevvania[/nation] and my fellow Board members for a great first term, and here's to an even better second.

I am running under the Reaganist Libertarian Party.

Where the hell are the Libertarians?! Can we get some more anarchism up in here?

Anarchy doesn't work neither does Socialism, Communism, or Fascism

Statists gonna State

Sorry! Didn't mean to suppress that!

Capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchy and anarchy is the fullest expression of capitalism. Anarchists are the only principled libertarians. Other libertarians, while much better, are fundamentally statist consequentialist utilitarians. And that makes me sad.

The Lone Star wrote:Where the hell are the Libertarians?! Can we get some more anarchism up in here?

If it makes you feel better i consider myself a minarchist.. lol

Ok, i know not exactly the same thing.

Liberosia wrote:Statists gonna State

LOL!

[nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] has been a faithful servant of the region and I strongly recommend his re-election. And while I don't always agree with him, [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] has shown himself to be a competent and driven Board Chairman who is not afraid to voice his opinions.

However, I recommend that someone run against [nation=short]Abaretta[/nation]. He's been very much inactive, having neither participated in a raid nor voting on anything in the past few weeks.

What is the difference between liberalism and libertarianism?

Boksburg wrote:What is the difference between liberalism and libertarianism?

Modern liberalism's main purpose is to control society and make it 'safer' and 'work better for the little guy'. But the efforts of the Democratic Party have actually screwed over the little guy unimaginably more so than they could have ever been by anyone else. Libertarians want a freer society without government at a minimum and freedom at the maximum.

I suppose the difference between a liberal and a libertarian is that the liberal will blame spoons for making you fat and the libertarian will blame you for making you fat.

If I were to say that I'm halfway between republicanism and anarchy, what would I be dubbed in the modern world?

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