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Greater Gibraltar wrote:Second off, while guns don't kill people, it makes it a lot easier for people to kill people. Should we really let the mentally ill get guns? Look at the tragedies and Sandy Hook, the movie shootings, etc. While I do think that people should be allowed to own guns, we should use some common sense

Gun enthusiasts would agree with you - it's just that current regulations don't prevent the mentally ill from registering guns outright, but do make it harder for the average law-abiding citizen to legally own a weapon. It's not that they need to be relaxed; it's that they need to be changed.

Ideally, regulation would be used as a tool to track down crimes committed with registered weapons, rather than a means of prohibiting mentally-competent people from owning them. The reason people should be armed is that they need to defend themselves from criminals who use unregistered ones...

Miencraft, Rateria

So apparently from one source I heard, Trump's approval rating is lower in the Libertarian Party than the Democrats.

Right-Winged Nation

Ovybia wrote:Whether or not a man can exists without the help of another doesn't change his humanity. A really old man is still a man even if he needs the help of others to feed him.

Many top scientists recognize that life begins at conception. At the U.S. senate hearing on the topic, dozens of scientists who had made important discoveries testified that life began at conception when the sperm and the egg came together. Although invited to do so, no scientists was able to give a proof that life began at any other time.

The baby is in his first stages of growth at conception so he may not be able feel very well yet (i.e. won't respond to pain). Many of his senses aren't devolved yet. But nevertheless, he is still a person. As he grows he will feel pain (inside of the mother's womb). He will be able to kick and move his hands. He can hear and respond to sounds. He is simply receiving nutrition from the mother, nothing more. He is growing by himself.

Thanks for your response, I was hoping to hear the other side but it was still nice to see such a well-thought out response anyway.

The New United States, Condealism

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:So apparently from one source I heard, Trump's approval rating is lower in the Libertarian Party than the Democrats.

But the good news for Trump is that he now has the support of the KKK.

Kings Island

Greater Gibraltar wrote:This one is also incorrect.

First off, gun laws have been tightened (Brady Bill, new regulation, etc.)

Second off, while guns don't kill people, it makes it a lot easier for people to kill people. Should we really let the mentally ill get guns? Look at the tragedies and Sandy Hook, the movie shootings, etc. While I do think that people should be allowed to own guns, we should use some common sense

They've been both loosened and tightened depending upon where you look. We got crap like the Brady bill, but the AWB also sunset and we have far more states allowing CC.

It's funny how similar the talking points always are between those with your opinion, though. I wonder if someone has something like that poetry generator only for anti-gun rhetoric.

Rateria

Greater Gibraltar wrote:This one is also incorrect.

First off, gun laws have been tightened (Brady Bill, new regulation, etc.)

Second off, while guns don't kill people, it makes it a lot easier for people to kill people. Should we really let the mentally ill get guns? Look at the tragedies and Sandy Hook, the movie shootings, etc. While I do think that people should be allowed to own guns, we should use some common sense

The concept of the mentally ill not having access to firearms is one everyone agrees on. The problem us gun nuts have is, we don't trust the state to decide who is mentally ill. The science and treatment for mental illness is hazy at best, so any government involvement could easily cause problems.

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism

Greater Gibraltar wrote:This one is also incorrect.

First off, gun laws have been tightened (Brady Bill, new regulation, etc.)

Second off, while guns don't kill people, it makes it a lot easier for people to kill people. Should we really let the mentally ill get guns? Look at the tragedies and Sandy Hook, the movie shootings, etc. While I do think that people should be allowed to own guns, we should use some common sense

To answer your question: No. But, then again, we don't really have a good legal, objective definition of "mentally ill", nor is there any really good way of treating them. I haven't even seen a mental hospital my entire life. I'm not sure they exist anymore.

But also consider this: have you ever heard of a shooting at a firing range or a gun show? If people have guns, and people know they have guns, people tend to not shoot people because they know they'll just get shot at in return. Generally, when (mentally sound) people have guns, only that special kind of crazy person is going to decide it's a good idea to shoot people, especially if they don't know who has guns, or if everyone around them does.

Rateria, Austex

Miencraft wrote: I haven't even seen a mental hospital my entire life. I'm not sure they exist anymore.

They're generally wings or subbuildings of general hospitals. You won't often see "Brookhaven Asylum" as you're driving around, though.

Tyrinth wrote:They're generally wings or subbuildings of general hospitals. You won't often see "Brookhaven Asylum" as you're driving around, though.

Dammit, stop invalidating my point!

Miencraft wrote:Dammit, stop invalidating my point!

Sorry. That's not to say that there aren't many problems with our mental health system.

Miencraft

Miencraft wrote:have you ever heard of a shooting at a firing range

I've heard of one instance... but, yeah, the shooter was mentally ill.

Condealism wrote:I've heard of one instance... but, yeah, the shooter was mentally ill.

Chris Kyle?

Tyrinth wrote:Sorry. That's not to say that there aren't many problems with our mental health system.

Well, that post was a joke.

But still, it's broken. We can agree on that.

Tyrinth wrote:Chris Kyle?

Oh, yeah, I did actually forget about that one. Point is it takes a special kind of crazy though.

Miencraft wrote:Well, that post was a joke.

But still, it's broken. We can agree on that.

Dang. You're throwing me off my game. I get into the habit if assuming everyone is being all serious all the time around here, and then you throw a joke at me when I don't expect it.

Tyrinth wrote:Chris Kyle?

Sounds familiar. Might be it.

Tyrinth wrote:Dang. You're throwing me off my game. I get into the habit if assuming everyone is being all serious all the time around here, and then you throw a joke at me when I don't expect it.

I just need to get a bit better at differentiating between when I'm joking and when I'm not.

Usually I use exclamation points when I'm joking though, and pretty much never otherwise, so look out for that.

Miencraft wrote:I just need to get a bit better at differentiating between when I'm joking and when I'm not.

Usually I use exclamation points when I'm joking though, and pretty much never otherwise, so look out for that.

Omg i hate jokes!!!

Triggered!!!

Speaking of mental asylums...When I lived in New York there was a nut house that was basically in my backyard called the Kings Park Psychiatric Center and it was the place where kids would dare each other to go in at midnight and spend 10 minutes exploring it. It closed in '96 and it's all boarded up now, but it was the scariest freakin place...At night I could of sworn I heard screams coming out of that place. It looks like a horror film could of taken place there, here's a picture of what it looks like:

http://imgur.com/EpblFzO

Pevvania, Rateria, Austex

Poptropia wrote:Speaking of mental asylums...When I lived in New York there was a nut house that was basically in my backyard called the Kings Park Psychiatric Center and it was the place where kids would dare each other to go in at midnight and spend 10 minutes exploring it. It closed in '96 and it's all boarded up now, but it was the scariest freakin place...At night I could of sworn I heard screams coming out of that place. It looks like a horror film could of taken place there, here's a picture of what it looks like:

http://imgur.com/EpblFzO

That's awesome. I've always loved old abandoned stuff -- especially large buildings.

I'd love to visit Waverly Hills Sanatorium someday...

Tyrinth wrote:That's awesome. I've always loved old abandoned stuff -- especially large buildings.

I'd love to visit Waverly Hills Sanatorium someday...

It's freaky man.

Tyrinth

Humpheria wrote:It's freaky man.

Waverly Hills?

Tyrinth wrote:Waverly Hills?

Yeah I went when I was little and they did regular tours.

Tyrinth

Humpheria wrote:Yeah I went when I was little and they did regular tours.

Lucky... I want to go see it so badly.

Mental hospitals with in-patient care still exist and are not freaky in the slightest. One of my good friends just got released from Havenwyck... which looks like this

http://www.mhweb.org/oakland/photos/havenwyck.jpg

Humpheria wrote:Under what jurisdiction? Not in Libertatem, or anywhere for that matter.

Understood, thank you.

Wovenland wrote:#West2020!

I really hope he was joking and that the people who say they're going to support him are also joking.

Except deep down I think we all know it's not a joke.

Miencraft wrote:I really hope he was joking and that the people who say they're going to support him are also joking.

Except deep down I think we all know it's not a joke.

kanyewest2020.com redirects to LibertyFest NYC 2015.

Wovenland wrote:kanyewest2020.com redirects to LibertyFest NYC 2015.

Well, someone bought that domain and made it do that, at least!

I'd gladly vote for Adam West.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Austex

> Professor asks class if federal government has too much power

> The class resoundingly says "no"

God help me.

The New United States wrote:> Professor asks class if federal government has too much power

> The class resoundingly says "no"

God help me.

Whee questions that have no objective answer are fun.

So is it anybodys' first day school?

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Congratulations Humpheria! When do you take office?

Undoubtedly the best thing Obama has done in office: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=078BGtKNL1o

Miencraft

Right-Winged Nation wrote:*writes down Rateria on RLP hitlist*

There is no need to do that, as I have nothing against the RLP. I even agree with them on a lot of things.

Rateria wrote:There is no need to do that, as I have nothing against the RLP. I even agree with them on a lot of things.

It's a joke sir. It's based on another joke saying that the RLP is Libertatem's tyrannical one-party ruler.

The Aradites wrote:It's a joke sir. It's based on another joke saying that the RLP is Libertatem's tyrannical one-party ruler.

I see your point.

Hello all I am new

The New United States, Austex

Unknown Territories wrote:Hello all I am new

Who the hell are you?

Pevvania wrote:Who the hell are you?

I am Unknown Territories, I just started NationStates

Unknown Territories wrote:I am Unknown Territories, I just started NationStates

Just kidding. It's a little in-joke here. Welcome to Libertatem.

Pevvania wrote:Just kidding. It's a little in-joke here. Welcome to Libertatem.

Thank you, so what would be the best way to get involved here?

Unknown Territories wrote:Thank you, so what would be the best way to get involved here?

This. Right now. What you're doing. Do more of it.

Austex

Miencraft wrote:This. Right now. What you're doing. Do more of it.

Ok then I will post on the RMB. How is the RP here?

Unknown Territories wrote:Thank you, so what would be the best way to get involved here?

Welcome!

I'd think about getting citizenship. After five days of maintaining residence here in Libertatem, you will be allowed to apply for citizenship.

Consider reading the citizenship factbook: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=275437

And perhaps take a gander at the Constitution and some laws; you'll need to have a rough knowledge of them to pass the citizenship test. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/dcategory=1

After you've gained citizenship, you should join the Libertatem Armed Forces, by contacting [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]. This region is dedicated to eradicating statism across NationStates, and we need as many dedicated, zealous, liberty-loving men as we can get, in order to keep the war machine rolling.

Pevvania

Unknown Territories wrote:Ok then I will post on the RMB. How is the RP here?

There isn't much, but you could probably get a group together.

Unknown Territories wrote:Ok then I will post on the RMB. How is the RP here?

Underdeveloped, but we've had some great RPs before and have an active regional map that you can claim from when you get more active.

By the way, I'm selling Southern Africa for $1.2 trillion USD 2015 value.

Pevvania wrote:Underdeveloped, but we've had some great RPs before and have an active regional map that you can claim from when you get more active.

By the way, I'm selling Southern Africa for $1.2 trillion USD 2015 value.

How about 475 billion Denarias?

Pevvania wrote:Underdeveloped, but we've had some great RPs before and have an active regional map that you can claim from when you get more active.

By the way, I'm selling Southern Africa for $1.2 trillion USD 2015 value.

Why so much?

Miencraft wrote:There isn't much, but you could probably get a group together.

How does a zombie apocalypse sound?

The New United States wrote:Welcome!

I'd think about getting citizenship. After five days of maintaining residence here in Libertatem, you will be allowed to apply for citizenship.

Consider reading the citizenship factbook: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=275437

And perhaps take a gander at the Constitution and some laws; you'll need to have a rough knowledge of them to pass the citizenship test. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/dcategory=1

After you've gained citizenship, you should join the Libertatem Armed Forces, by contacting [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]. This region is dedicated to eradicating statism across NationStates, and we need as many dedicated, zealous, liberty-loving men as we can get, in order to keep the war machine rolling.

Is there like a religious factor in that?

The New United States wrote:Welcome!

I'd think about getting citizenship. After five days of maintaining residence here in Libertatem, you will be allowed to apply for citizenship.

Consider reading the citizenship factbook: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=275437

And perhaps take a gander at the Constitution and some laws; you'll need to have a rough knowledge of them to pass the citizenship test. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/dcategory=1

After you've gained citizenship, you should join the Libertatem Armed Forces, by contacting [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]. This region is dedicated to eradicating statism across NationStates, and we need as many dedicated, zealous, liberty-loving men as we can get, in order to keep the war machine rolling.

I am gonna have to use all five days studying it xD

The New United States, Rateria

Unknown Territories wrote:Is there like a religious factor in that?

A religious factor in the region? Definitely not!

There are plenty of non-religious folks here; I can count the number of folks I know to be Christians on one hand.

The New United States wrote:A religious factor in the region? Definitely not!

There are plenty of non-religious folks here; I can count the number of folks I know to be Christians on one hand.

I was just wondering

Do you guys know about the Men Kampf plugin?

The Aradites wrote:Do you guys know about the Men Kampf plugin?

no

Unknown Territories wrote:I am gonna have to use all five days studying it xD

If you have any questions, feel free to post them here or I'm sure most of us, myself included, would be more than happy to help if you shoot a telegram over. :)

Austex

The New United States wrote:If you have any questions, feel free to post them here or I'm sure most of us, myself included, would be more than happy to help if you shoot a telegram over. :)

I am already studying it all

Unknown Territories wrote:I am already studying it all

You don't need to worry too much. As long as you have a general idea of how things are supposed to work around here, you'll do fine on the test.

(unless it has changed since I took it)

Tyrinth wrote:You don't need to worry too much. As long as you have a general idea of how things are supposed to work around here, you'll do fine on the test.

(unless it has changed since I took it)

oh so like ground rules that have to do with the constitution?

Unknown Territories wrote:oh so like ground rules that have to do with the constitution?

Not allowed to tell you what it's over, but... just don't worry too much. It seems overwhelming, but it's really not.

Tyrinth wrote:Not allowed to tell you what it's over, but... just don't worry too much. It seems overwhelming, but it's really not.

OK thank you...that is very kind of you

Tyrinth wrote:Not allowed to tell you what it's over, but... just don't worry too much. It seems overwhelming, but it's really not.

Well, you can go as far as "it's about understanding how the region works and knowing its laws", but stuff like specific help is what I was trying to prevent.

But, really, I didn't make it that hard at all.

Unknown Territories wrote:How does a zombie apocalypse sound?

I mean, we're going to have one in-game at the end of next month anyways... Probably. Most likely.

Really though, I'd join any RP that's deep and developed enough.

Unknown Territories

Oh and also we'll have a different IA manager in a few days, so that's going to be fun. First time someone who isn't me will have proctored.

I also do not actually remember who the next guy is... That's embarrassing.

Miencraft wrote:Oh and also we'll have a different IA manager in a few days, so that's going to be fun. First time someone who isn't me will have proctored.

I also do not actually remember who the next guy is... That's embarrassing.

[nation=short]Kings Island[/nation]

ALL CABINET MEMBERS MUST LOG ON AT SOME POINT TOMORROW TO GET SWORN IN!!! The Presidential Inauguration will be sometime tomorrow around 10AM (EST). For those of you who don't remember, the Attorney General (RWN) will ask for RMB silence and post the Oath, I will repost it and then I will post it for the Cabinet to complete at their leisure. Technically today was the first day of my term, but I gave Muh an extra day.

Austex

Got my WA all lathered up!

Oh so guys, YEEZUS 2020!!!!!!!!!!

The New United States wrote:A religious factor in the region? Definitely not!

There are plenty of non-religious folks here; I can count the number of folks I know to be Christians on one hand.

There's always my cul... totally legitimate religion.

Rateria, Austex

Humpheria wrote:Technically today was the first day of my term, but I gave Muh an extra day.

#president4ever

Tyrinth

Muh Roads wrote:#president4ever

All hail our president for life.

Muh Roads

I didn't get an extra day... *pouts*

Tyrinth, Rateria

Fun fact: the Miencraftic Denaria is exactly .26 ounces (troy, obviously) of silver.

At current silver prices, that means a single Denaria would sell for $3.81 American.

My currency is almost four times the value of the Dollar.

Did I do good?

Oh, and another fun fact: the .26 ounce size of a Denaria is derived from the size of your average US dollar coin, which happens to also be .26 troy ounces.

If it were a real coin they'd be pretty much identical except nobody's face is on a Denaria, it's just got the J-looking M symbol and some years on the obverse and a tower on the reverse.

http://commonwealthcollege.boards.net/thread/32/pso-convention-session

(OPEN TO THE PUBLIC)

Alrighty Guys, commence RMB Silence

Humpheria, repeat after me... I, [nation], do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office, so help me God.

I, Humpheria, do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office, so help me God.

Thank you Mr. President. I will now Go... I,Right-winged nation, do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office, so help me God.

I, [nation], do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office, so help me God.

All Cabinet members please do it, then you will take office.

I, Pevvania, do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office, so help me God.

I, Condealism, do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office, so help me God.

Alright, everyone, I am now WA! Please endorse me so that I can take the title of Delegate at midnight.

Miencraft

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Mr. President, you might want to update your nation's title...

I, King's Island, do solemnly swear to protect, defend, and uphold the Constitution of Libertatem. I swear to execute the will of the People of Libertatem within the rightful extents of the law. I affirm that it is my solemn duty to defend Libertatem from all threats, foreign and domestic, to uphold the integrity of the region. I promise to uphold these obligations understanding the sanctity of my office.

Ahh retirement. Back to front lines!

Cabinet members! Send me your factbooks. Feel free to plagiarize your predecessors.

First policy initiative: The Judicial Reform Amendment.

An amendment that is being drafted by a close friend, CFN Chief Justice, Ruclax (who I believe has a puppet here to draft such a thing), that will scrap our current justice system. It will create a Circuit Court, Appellate Court, and Supreme Court.

Circuit: Original jurisdiction, an appointed Justice

Appellate: Appellate jurisdiction, an appointed Justice

Supreme: Supreme jurisdiction, Circuit Justice, Appellate Justice, elected Chief Justice, and President or designee.

I'll get to work on my factbook right away.

Can I get your permission to implement a project I like to call CINDEI? The Conservative Idealism National Diplomatic Envoy Initiative is currently only a part of the IRU's Chancellery, so I'd like your approval to incorporate this project into Libertatem's State Department as well.

Congratulations to now President Humpheria! May you serve Libertatem well!

Humpheria

Praise be to two-time President Humpy!

Humpheria

I get the impression that someone discovered NS++ for the first time.

Condealism wrote:I'll get to work on my factbook right away.

Can I get your permission to implement a project I like to call CINDEI? The Conservative Idealism National Diplomatic Envoy Initiative is currently only a part of the IRU's Chancellery, so I'd like your approval to incorporate this project into Libertatem's State Department as well.

Send me a more in depth synopsis of it.

Humpheria wrote:First policy initiative: The Judicial Reform Amendment.

An amendment that is being drafted by a close friend, CFN Chief Justice, Ruclax (who I believe has a puppet here to draft such a thing), that will scrap our current justice system. It will create a Circuit Court, Appellate Court, and Supreme Court.

Circuit: Original jurisdiction, an appointed Justice

Appellate: Appellate jurisdiction, an appointed Justice

Supreme: Supreme jurisdiction, Circuit Justice, Appellate Justice, elected Chief Justice, and President or designee.

I support reform, but is all that necessary? 3 courts?

Muh Roads wrote:I support reform, but is all that necessary? 3 courts?

The Supreme Court would transfer the power of Judicial Review from the Board and almost always focus on constitutional issues.

The other one is just somewhere to go and an avenue of appeal. I don't expect them to be used every day.

Humpheria wrote:The Supreme Court would transfer the power of Judicial Review from the Board and almost always focus on constitutional issues.

The other one is just somewhere to go and an avenue of appeal. I don't expect them to be used every day.

Y'all can the JUDICIAL Act in the IRU if you want or use it as a template.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=international_republican_union/detail=factbook/id=421326

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