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Region: Libertatem
Yep
Nobody said he was nice.
Same as the confederate side of the United States during Civil War. As well as the Soviet Union. Brezhnev wanted to create a super Slavic union consisting of all of the ethnicities of the Soviet Union. This would increase nationalism and cause ethnic cleansing of other cultures if the plan worked out in the end. This is why the whole Soviet population learned Russian first, then their other language second.
More brainwashed confederacy hating I see.
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This is a valid starting point for a discussion.
This is unnecessary information.
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The Confederacy is an embarrassment. Perhaps I'd they'd had any moral high ground, it would be easier to persuade people of noble causes such as states' powers and secession.
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I'm not even going to get into this today. You all have heard what I had to say a thousand times.
They did have a Moral cause. Ecspecially to you.
They thought the Feds were going to interfere in their economics (I.E. Tariffs, Slavery, ect.). Thus they were simply protecting their economic freedoms...
For me I wouldn't had supportsupported them had the Union not went to war once they seceded
Slavery is NOT a moral cause. I don't care about "muh states rights," you do NOT enslave people.
IMO the concept of self ownership should be enshrined in the constitution, and the states should be forced to obey it. That alone will justify any reasons for and against states rights according to their agenda and purpose.
The South had no great cause, but the Union in my opinion had no right to retake the Confederacy ecspecially when they had no conditional right to limit slavery.
Because literally every single person of the 9,103,332 that lived in the Confederate States supported slavery, owned slaves, and 100% completely hated anyone that wasn't a white man.
And, of course, every single man, woman, and child that lived above the Mason-Dixon were God-Loving Libertarians waving the golden flags of human rights, fighting tirelessly for every man to be free. What? No, they weren't opposing slavery just to secure their economic interests. Yeah, the northern agricultural economy would suffer without having the workforce of the South, but still, every Northerner knew that slavery was immoral and they had to defeat it.
Totally.
Enslaving people is not "securing economic freedom".
Kinda of is.
Economic Freedom= Government stays out. Without a government inserted into that slaves are a possibility.
Wage slavery is still slavery. And you don't believe that would happen. It happens already.
Outsourcing. The cheap labor. The people still buy the products.
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What a ridiculous definition. Economic freedom means allowing individuals to make choices about their own property. Slaves cannot make economic choices when they're held in bondage by other people.
Too tired to debunk this one: http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/WageSlavery
"Cheap labour" is actually a very good thing. Millions of people line up for these jobs because they pay so much more than anything they've ever worked as. A study found that the average sweatshop job in developing countries pays wages that are 60% higher than the average wage. If you close down child labour and sweatshops, then you put people further into poverty, and kids out on the street and into prostitution.
Slaves are property. Thus the term slaves. I'm not saying it's right, but without government had do you prevent slavery economically unlesss *Shocked look* there is a law.
And I'm appalled. It's because those countries don't have laws like America. If we freed up society from government economic control then America would have Children Labour, Cheap Labour and sweatshops all of which is bad. That is why there needs be government intervention. Because there is nothing prwventing that same syuff happening in America.
But why are they bad?
You can't just say "it's immoral", because morality is subjective, and you cant just say "it's bad", because that doesn't mean anything.
Child labor jobs were usually sweatshop work that is dangerous or unwanted for kids or anyone but ecspecially kids.
Cheap Labour is a way for bussinesses to lower costs by decreasing payments. And people turn blind eyes to these incidents.
People are property only to themselves. Self-ownership is inalienable as long as the mind controls the body. So slavery is akin to feudalism.
The economic ignorance here is painful. Even cringeworthy. Fact: the only reason there is child labour is because poor families have to send their kids to work to live. American families, even the poorest, have no such problems. Fact: American families, who are wealthier than most people on Earth, have no tolerance for poor working conditions, so kids being employed would not be a bad thing. How old are you? 14? Wouldn't you like to have a paying job at a shop or a paper round? I sure did.
If these are unwanted jobs, then why do so many kids in the Third World line up for them?
The world would be a much better place if people understood economics.
What Mien/Humph II: The Sequel will do for Libertatem:
-Keep cutting government
-Reducing the bureaucracy and streamlining the legal system
-Protecting and defending the Constitution
-Keeping Libertatem and REATO strong in the face of the Bolshevik scourge
I LIKE MIEN 2014
Basically these things.
Also, can the rest of the Board guys please announce soon so we know exactly when we can have elections?
Although I must admit there's one thing that's making me consider voting for Vice President Roads: he'd update the radio more often. Why the hell is 181 Overture still up there?
Because everything I have in my collection has already been there/is video-game music, so I'm relying on people to recommend some, which nobody is doing.
I do have some nice choices though that I will put up soon even if they've already been there or whatever, because they're good and people should hear them.
Well, there were recommendations a couple days ago, but I forgot about them until just now honestly.
Nonetheless, expect more frequent updates until I run completely out of music. Or forget. Probably the latter. Just keep reminding me to change it and it'll change eventually.
Nick Kershaw: The Riddle
Bloodhound Gang: The Bad Touch
Huey Lewis and the News: Hip to Be Square
Yeah, vote for Roads! We'll update the radio!
Grazie, mi amore.
Thank the educational system.
Quoted for truth.
I suppose it's in the government's interest to keep people ignorant of economics. I'm sure most politicians realise how destructive their policies are to everyone but themselves.
Anyone heard about Gary Johnson vowing to run as a Libertarian Party candidate in 2016 against a possible Rand Paul nomination? I think he's being a pretentious asshole. He's questioned Paul's libertarian credentials, which is pretty f-cking rich coming from the guy who promised to send troops to Africa to go after Kony. Paul is the last, best hope for the libertarian movement, and thus humanity.
Oh noooo... Libertarian infighting start again...
I doubt anyone believes that Johnson guy anyway. He lies often and has run for just about every party except for the one that best suits him - Democrat.
To those who know a little - or even those who know a lot - of my life, let me give you some advice: Don't envy me. It isn't near as good as it may appear, and the grass is no greener on this side.
That's dark and maybe even a little morbid. However, the most confusing thing is that I have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't hate the confederacy. I hate one of their policies. It was a huge thing to pull off, and it was done (Even if it was just for a few years).
That moment you idiotic Ponyist ideology spreads and people start making branches of it...
I feel like Karl Marx!
Humpy, the confederacy enslaved Africans, not people to necessarily root for
Guys. Guys.
The new experimental "Rift" theme is beautiful.
My only complaint is that it has no dark version, but oh my god it's wonderful.
Pevvania, Dawsinian
You know who else enslaved Africans?
Africans.
Too steampunk and modern for me.
This is the worst resolution I have ever seen:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal/council=1
I forgot WA proposals existed; my handy link directly to the Proposals section hasn't been showing up lately.
Wow... fraking? I've heard it's even worse than fracking. /s
I know that, but we are speaking on terms of the civil war. Yes there were a few Africans who also enslaved Africans that were apart of the confederacy, it's still not right if you are of the same race.
No, I mean, the Africans in Africa enslaved Africans. That's kind of why we got them in the first place. We traded for their slaves. We didn't suddenly just decide "hey, you guys are dark so therefore you're slaves". We bought the slaves they were already using.
Oh, well now why didn't you say Africa in the first place? Yeah, I know that America just didn't go "Oooh Brown People"
... I did...
Emphasis added.
I thought you were talking about Africans owning other Africans in the confederacy
Then I would have said black southerners. When I say "Africans", I'm specifically talking about people in Africa. Same as if I refer to the "Russians" or the "Australians". It's specifically the people in that place. Far as I'm concerned, you're in America, you're American, unless you're a slave from way back when somehow, in which case I'd refer to you as a generic slave, but that's the only exception.
Humpheria
*Sees it clearly now*
And the rain is gone.
[/bad joke]
Except it was raining here and now it's not so it's true.
The Irish were a large part of the US slave population also
You are joking right Pev?
NEWS: To those incoming from CDN: Welcome to Libertatem!
I sympathize with the recent immigrants to Libertatem from CDN. Brition just isn't active enough anymore for the NBE to ever come back. Hopefully in the future a new CDN can be created.
-New Thatcheria
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Am I the only one here who despises Lena Dunham?
Nope.
Appreciate the welcome, but I'm kind of just hoping that NBE permanently and completely merges with Libertatem.
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I'm in love with my banners!
So much religion!!!
and as for the D.W.S.M- So much Military!
Not indentured servants they were slaves in the founding of the colonies a little prior to the revolution. The Irish were enslaved by the GB and sent to help in the New World. Some of these slaves were still around up to the revolution although the GB decided it didnt want to continue the slave trade.
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It's ok
I would love it if it were dark.
That's what she said
Kanatistan
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* pick up the inert body of Humpheria and bring him to the hospital *
Well both regions have entirely different history and cultures, so we'll see.
I once called you Pevident and now you make such sophomoric attempts at humor. Disgraceful.
Kanatistan
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Spread the word. Make sure he'll *guns drawn* will never work in this town again. *finger wiggle*
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I....just....CANNOT STAND HER!!
How do I found a political party?
Go to Monsiuer Pev.
Speaking of, Pev and Humpster, you guys mind making your flags a little bit different?
Like maybe add a small colored bar to one side so we can tell the difference between you two.
I created a fake religion called Muhammaddism a Muslim/Mormon mix. Followers called Mormslims.
Ok, I'm over-dramatising. But on a political level, he is our best shot in the short-term.
I think generally, individuals drive the libertarian movement. Education via the internet and voluntarism through the Free State Project have been monumental in bringing the movement to the mainstream and will become even more important in the future.
Unfortunately, Libertarianism stays a very American exception, as nothing like a libertarian party or famous declared libertarian politician exist in Europe.
They git Liberal-Conservative or Conservative-Liberal Parties...
Normally those are pretty good parties.
Tee-hee!
Still, libertarianism has had a strong influence on Europe. Many of the more successful post-Communist market reforms, revolutions and liberalisations were inspired or even directed by libertarian economists or think tanks. The Prime Minister of Estonia, Taavi Rõivas, says that he read heavily into Milton Friedman even before becoming a politician. The Road to Serfdom was the most important book in Eastern Europe, being circulated widely and illegally. It came to influence a great many people to seek freedom, such as Roivas and also Balcerowicz in Poland. And of course, the Chicago School and the libertarian movement were instrumental in the creation of Thatcherism and the New Right Conservative Party. There is a small but important faction of libertarians within the Conservative Party, who have several cabinet members and pushed the 'Great Repeal Bill' of deregulatory measures in 2011. UKIP's proclamation as "libertarian" (lol) has drawn some attention.
It's also become extremely important in Australia, as a hardcore minarchist (David Leyonhjelm) was elected to the Senate, and is one of the cross-benchers that's instrumental if the Abbott Government wants to pass anything. So the movement is slowly spreading.
UK's conservative party is the only one in Europe to have a " libertarian " economic program. In fact, most of the time you have the choice between : social-democrats or moderate leftists = statists, and liberal-conservatives = less statists.
The CDU ( Germany ) and PP ( Spain ) are quite statists despite what you can hear on Merkel, and the UMP ( France ) and FI ( Italy ) are far away from any kind of economic libertarianism.
There are some good libertarian leaning parties in Switzerland and Austria, but that's all.
I totally forgot Estonia, where some very good progresses have been accomplished, and even Sweden where the right reduced the public expenses from 72% to 54% of the GDP, while saving the country's finances and introducing competition in a lot of former state monopolies.
Indeed, Eastern and Northern European countries have had pretty good records on economic reform.
Can anyone tell me about Rogernomics? The free-market reforms undertaken in New Zealand in the 1980s were apparently not very economically successful. This is the only case I can think of pro-market policies not working very well. Can anyone enlighten me?
See, I would but........... *sighs*........... you see the thing is............. you don't own me.
Question:
Would you Libertarians argue your economic policy increases or decreases income inequality?
Just come to my office and I'll change your mind.
Are you sure you have enough room for him under your desk with all of us here?
Humpheria
It depends. Generally we aren't concerned about 'benign' income inequality, i.e. when an economy grows helping everyone, with the rich generating wralt faster as a result of market processes. However, there doesn't seem to be much evidence of this happening. Many of us, including myself, are concerned about income inequality resulting from government cronyism, such as in African countries where the state redistributes wealth from the bottom of society to government officials and cronies. We are also concerned about racial income inequality, which has growed significantly since 2000.
But to answer your question, though we don't tend to discuss remedies to issues that we see as being nonexistent, some of us have suggested our policies would decrease income inequality. For example, pension privatisation would make workers rich and poor owners of capital, something which a lot of rich people already do but not many lower-income workers do. So it would slightly bridge the gap. Removing marriage penalisations in the welfare system - which some have argued has accounted for as much as 30% of the income inequality increases in the last 50 years - would take many people out of poverty and decrease inequalities. And needless to say, school choice is a big thing that would give poor kids the same chance as rich kids to achieve.
It's a big desk, man. And you can join in if you want.
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