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I thought the above motto was good for our capitalist region. Congratulations to all who made it into the top ten for most pro market.

Welcome to the Lonestar Party, CI! I believe a beer is in order. Make that beers for all who join!

I want to have dual membership of LP and RP.

I vote nay, and a loud one. I think this idea of making background checks on each nation that joins is bullshit, absolute bullshit, and creates unnecessary bureaucracy. We should only background check those under suspect, otherwise welcoming everyone (except commies obviously).

Snabagag, only people that raise red flags will even know the background checks are going on and this is because they will be notified that we think they're a possible infiltrator.

I, personally, will not be performing any background checks. Nice to have a law that grants me the right to, though.

What is your nation's national anthem? Anyone can reply, just wondering.

Mine's Battle Hymn of the Republic.

My nation doesn't have an anthem. People can whistle any patriotic-sounding song they want.

America the Beautiful Ray Charles style.

Noddinagushpa, which is the theme of the Age of Empires 3 base game.

Miencraft, look it up on youtube. I like that. Also CI, "And now stand for the national anthem." Then everyone just stands and starts whistling random songs. Lol.

Miencraft, I meant I looked it up on youtube.

80 nations strong. Let's keep it up!

Voting ends for the NATION Act in 24 hours.

Coming soon, another piece of legislation Actum and I will call....

....the PATRIOT Act.

Watched the new show The Americans. Reagan declares war on the KGB!

When the NATION act becomes law, I intend to challenge it in court on the grounds that it infringes on article VII, subsection III which clearly states: "No nation shall be investigated by Internal Affairs without suspicion or probable cause."

Consider your votes based on this. I, for one, hold the firm belief that the constitution means exactly what it says. I hope you all do too.

Article VII of the Constitution, obviously.

I just want to say how proud I am of Snabagag and CI for upholding our constitution, and how they'll fight til the end. I might not support their side on this bill but I applaud their patriotism and I promise not to choose any sides, not like I would, when this bill goes to court because those two make a great point.

Here is a bill being proposed by Actum (who had the idea) and myself (who wrote it). Please read and, after consideration, please vote.

PATRIOT Act

Patriots Against Terror Rendered In Overt Treason Act

Section I

Clarifying the purpose of this Act of the House of Representatives of Libertatem.

Subsection I

To secure the homogeneous, unique, and core principles of the region Libertatem; to ensure there are valid reasons for the violation of said core principles as purported in the preamble of the Constitution of Libertatem.

Subsection II

To protect the general security of Libertatem, and in so doing, the freedom and liberty of the nations residing within.

Subsection III

To prevent domestic convulsions which may errupt into the beginnings of despotism, born of policies that do not reflect the core values of the region of Libertatem.

Section II

To secure the rights and general peace within the region of Libertatem, the Manager of Military Affairs shall have the power to demand that certain nations that may qualify as "communist" give valid reasons for their governmental and economic policies.

Subsection I

Defining "communist" governmental policies as

Subsection Subsection I

A progressive tax rate that is above 70% of an individual's wealth or

Subsection Subsection II

Civil Rights and Political Freedoms that measure 5/100 or below or

Subsection Subsection III

Factbook entries that denote leftist or socialist economic or political sympathies or

Subsection Subsection IV

Regional Message Board comments that denote leftist or socialist economic or political sympathies.

Subsection II

Defining "valid reasons" to mean

Subsection Subsection I

A specific need to have such policies, which may include, but are not limited to, invasion tactics, puppet identity, and/or experimentation with Nation States issues.

Section III

All nations targeted by the Manager of Military Affairs are required to write a telegram to the founder and the Manager of Military Affairs containing valid reasons expressed in Section II, Subsection II.

Subsection I

If the founder, upon review of the evidence provided by both the Manager of Military Affairs and the suspected "communist" nation in question, deems said nation a threat, then

Subsection Subsection I

Banjection may be secured with a simple majority vote of the Board and the Managers.

Section IV

This Act shall not inhibit the emergency powers of the founder in cases of threats as defined by Article V, Section I, Subsection II.

Section V

The WA Delegate may exercise this power if the founder has been absent for a period of 25 days.

Authored By: The Confederate States of Liberosia and The Holy Empire of Actum

I vote no, this bill is hypocritical in stating it wants to prevent despotism but the manager of military affairs will be gaining TO MUCH POWER if NATION and PATRIOT are passed.

ISA, NATION was changed so that the power would be given to the Board and the Chairman. PATRIOT is the first power given to Military Affairs.

I still vote no, this is a job that would be more suited for Interal Affairs and I believe that it entitles to much power to one person.

That's unfortunate.

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I'm not sure how to vote, but I think it's pretty sketchy.

Hey all you Christians in Libertatem, I am trying to puzzle out this question... Does God truly approve of the American Revolution? Sure our system of government has Judeo-Christian values, but what about Romans 13 and Peter calling us (followers of Christ) to "submit to the governing authorities". Anyone wishing to talk with me about this, please telegram. PLEASE NO RMB POSTS.

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I vote for the PATRIOT act.

Yeah! I'll vote FOR as well.

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I think we set the bar too low, we must require higher standards.

I suggest changing subsection subsection I to:

A tax rate that is above 60% of an individual's wealth or

And then subsection subsection II:

Civil Rights and Political Freedoms that measure 15/100 or below or

As an ambassador, I realise I do not get a vote, but as your former defence advisor, and current defence advisor to TFI, I would like to voice my personal support for the Patriot Act. It is a solid defencive measure,and I am tempted to suggest something similar in TFI. I would however say to Snabagag that while the tax rate criteria seems acceptable, a nation like my fatherland, Brauistan, would be heavily under suspicion under civil rights and political freedoms, while even model Vicicorporate states like this one and Vicicorpus would still fall foul of the low pol. freedom criteria.

What if the normal people pay say, 30% but the weathy pay 100%? We should probably change it just a bit.

I'm currently on the fence for this one, and leaning against. I agree with ISA's points. Would it make sense to amend the bill so that in the event of a close vote (or any vote), member nations could request a recount that throws out the votes of communist nations?

Actum, you are suggesting discriminating a group in society based on their wages.

The bill will not be changed.

I vote nay on the PATRIOT act.

Snabagag, on my earlier post, I mean in relation to the communism requirements, what should it mean if the wealthy pay 100% but the average tax is 30%? Look at Tyribia

Here is Snabagag's case against the NATION Act:

I hereby challenge the proposed NATION act now before the house of representatives based on subsection III of article VII of the Constitution of Libertatem.

The section clearly states:

"No nation shall be investigated by Internal Affairs without suspicion or probable cause."

The NATION act is to me a clear violation of that subsection, since it suggests imposing background checks and investigations on ALL new nations joining Libertatem. Joining is not probable cause. Therefore I demand its immediate suspension and erasure from the constitution.

Signed,

Kjartan Magnússon

Prime Minister and WA minister of Snabagag, WA delegate for Libertatem.

Ah, I understand now Actum. That's a good question.

ISA concedes Delegate Snabagag's case. The court rules the NATION Act unconstitutional on the grounds of violations of rights.

Where does the court's decision leave the NATION act?

Overturned (i.e. an amendment must be sought).

This case shows the justice of our system. There is no mob rule here, although there is a vote. Because of it's violation of rights, I will no longer support the NATION Act and an amendment will have to be sought with the Board and the House.

Obviously I don't support it anymore because I am the Attorney General and I side with the constitution.

This dose not effect the PATRIOT act because there must be probable cause to make the nation send the telegram.

Just remember folks vote no on PATRIOT.

Just remember folks, ignore ISA tell voting is over on the PATRIOT Act. I don't mean to be rude ISA, but the commies are stepping up security and we can't be left as easy targets.

Random Actum Fact: Actum means "law" or "decree" in Latin!

How can you know if the commies are stepping up in security? Are you one yourself or associated with them? I don't mean to be rude Actum, but it is suspicious.

ISA, I demand you back your accusations with constitutional law or reason.

PATRIOT Act voting ends tomorrow.

Like I said Liberosia it gives to much power to one person and Snabagag has added that it is descriminatory especially in section II subsection III that anyone that leans to the left is under suspicion. I might not like the left's positions either but I wouldn't call them communists.

Correction: leans to the hard Left, otherwise known as....

....COMMUNISTS.

Though most of section II is blatantly attacking the left and accuses them of being socialists and anyone that leans to the left of being communists. You should have put in the bill that it is the "hard left".

We're not attacking the left, we're attacking communists. There absolutely no grounds for this to be legally challenged. The bill will pass in 20 minutes.

Hello everyone I am new to this Region and I seem to like it so far

Well, you have probably guessed we are Right wing, economically. Some are conservatives, some are Randians.

A hat tip to CI, the Henry Ford of our region. Your auto industry is admirable.

Religiously, we're pretty mixed.

The PATRIOT Act passes! To celebrate, I shall post Dixie!

I wish I was in the land of cotton

Old times there are not forgotten

Look away, look away, look away to Dixie Land

In Dixie Land where i was born

Early on one frosty morn

Look away, look away, look away to Dixie Land

I wish I was in Dixie

Away, away

In Dixie Land I'll take my stand

To live and die in Dixie

Away, away, away down south in Dixie

Away, away, away down south in Dixie

In Dixie Land where i was born

Early on one frosty morn

Look away, look away, look away to Dixie Land

I wish I was in Dixie

Away, away

In Dixie Land I'll take my stand

To live and die in Dixie

Away, away, away down south in Dixie

Away, away, away down south in Dixie

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Liberosia I do believe you should post time frames for how long the bills are up for voting. You cut off voting at around 3:00-4:00 a.m. eastern time when people are sleeping and the voting was 3-2, the bill was clearly in your sides favor at that time. This is completely unfair to the nations of Libertatem that perhaps did not get to vote or were still making up their minds. I suggest that for now on you post time frames on bills.

I agree with ISA's point, and would liked to have voted no on the bill.

Voting was cut off at 1am Pacific on a Friday night?

He said it would end tomorrow and then later said there were 20 minutes left. I think it depends on what time zone Liberosia is in. Also realize, nationstates is worldwide. That's alot of time-zones in the entire world.

It would have been respectful though to have a starting time and an ending time when the bill was introduced instead of just deciding to end it right then and there.

I would like all board members and managers to agree with me on putting forth an amendment to the constitution:

Section I

The founder and WA delegate shall retail individual power to veto amendments based on their consistence with this constitution.

Section II

All sessions in which the house of representatives votes on amendments shall remain in session for a minimum of 72 hours.

"He said it would end tomorrow and then later said there were 20 minutes left."

Yeah, I was confused by that too, because "tomorrow" rarely means "in five hours." The 20 minute notice before ending is really not very much notice. I can't agree with how this bill just got shoved down our throats.

I move to repeal the patriot act. Is there a second for the motion?

I vote against the repeal.

I would also, separately, like to challenge the constitutionality under Article I subsection IV, which reads: "the bill must have the vote of two thirds of the nations residing within the region in order to become law"

I vote to repeal as well. I may have been 50-50 for whether it was a good idea or not, but the way in which it was passed was completely unfair.

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3-4. The bill is repealed and will be voted on at a later date.

Now that the patriot act has been repealed, I agree with Snabagag's proposed amendment, and would add the following:

Section III

The Founder and WA Delegate shall not have the power to veto motions that repeal amendments.

Just to be clear, your amendment will have to be gotten with House and Board.

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I move for a vote on the VETO act:

Section I

The founder and WA delegate shall retain individual power to veto amendments based on their consistence with this constitution, given the approval of the appointed attorney general OR approval by 3/5 of the board.

Section II

All sessions in which the house of representatives or board votes on amendments shall remain in session for a minimum of 72 hours.

Section III

The Founder and WA Delegate shall not retain power to veto motions that repeal amendments already made to the constitution.

Changing the basic structure of the constitution?

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