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In all seriousness, I’m not sure how exactly how prevalent anti-semitism is in the U.S (as if we can ever truly know) but we should always be educated about antisemitism and should always be fighting it (never again).

That being said, besides being educated and not racist yourself, what else can you really do about antisemitism?

Rateria

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Auxorii wrote:In all seriousness, I’m not sure how exactly how prevalent anti-semitism is in the U.S (as if we can ever truly know) but we should always be educated about antisemitism and should always be fighting it (never again).

That being said, besides being educated and not racist yourself, what else can you really do about antisemitism?

What to Do Re: Any Group In General

Use basic American civics (a subset of Judeo-Christian Ethics that both Christian and Jews share). Just like you do to correct any form of misunderstanding, prejudice, or outright bigotry for any group. Treat everyone as individuals responsible for their own thoughts and actions with respect to their preferred association(s) engage others politically/socially, Stay polite and civil (but remain well armed). It boils down to: Work hard (and smart), keep your own nose clean, and keep it out of other peoples business. Otherwise be civil, polite, ask questions, engage in dialogue, respect everyone as individuals understanding that your rights end at their nose and vice versa when in public.

For a Sound Familiarity of Jews in Particular

Visit a synagogue or three on a regular basis for a time. Attend some the community functions, feasts and festivals. Get to know some families in particular and befriend them.

For a Deeper Understanding of Jews in Particular

Join an Orthodox Synagogue as a zadoc goy. Go to Sabbath school and learn what they learn and think. Read the Torah with their understanding. Ask them to train you to Bar Mitvah up to but short of actual conversion.

Auxorii, Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"Judeo-Christian" is such a laughable term.

I suppose I'm an "Americo-Canadian".

Oh... You're one of those syrup-guzzling, moose-riders huh?

Narland, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"Judeo-Christian" is such a laughable term.

I suppose I'm an "Americo-Canadian".

No more laughable than Franco-American (that's the funny one for me), Germano-European, Sino-Semitic or Afro-Asiatic.

The New United States

Skaveria wrote:Oh... You're one of those syrup-guzzling, moose-riders huh?

Even worse, he’s from Wisconsin

Auxorii, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:Even worse, he’s from Wisconsin

Oh, we have a cheesy boi in our midst.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:"Judeo-Christian" is such a laughable term.

I suppose I'm an "Americo-Canadian".

I think a better term is anglo-american. They're so culturally similar it makes no sense to have the distinction

Narland

Anyone here watched "The Mandalorian" yet? I watched episode 1 last night, and it was really good!

The New United States wrote:Anyone here watched "The Mandalorian" yet? I watched episode 1 last night, and it was really good!

Will watch it tonight!

The New United States

The New United States wrote:Anyone here watched "The Mandalorian" yet? I watched episode 1 last night, and it was really good!

It might end up being the only thing I watch out of this whole Disney+ deal. I’m honestly a bit burnt out of Star Wars after seeing it literally everywhere for the past few years since the new movies have come out. I think Disney is slowing draining my soul through subliminal messaging.

Narland, The New United States

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Disney's Star Wars stuff doesn't actually exist.

At least... It shouldn't.

Episode 8 was definitely a misstep, but Rogue One was great and The Mandalorian seems promising so far.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Episode 7 and 8 sucked.

I liked them but I could definitely live without them

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The New United States wrote:Episode 8 was definitely a misstep, but Rogue One was great and The Mandalorian seems promising so far.

That was no mistep. It was deliberate. No different than Viacom turned CBS's transformation of Star Trek from an optimistic soft Humanism to abject Nihilism. Hollywood (and Hollywoodified Dixney) hates America almost as much as the Beltway Administrative State does.

"Mos Disney Boardroom. You will never find a more wretched hive of scam and banality. We must be cautious."

Jadentopian Order wrote:Even worse, he’s from Wisconsin

Wisconso-American. Hic Caseus Est. Wisconsin has a soft spot in my head for the Gen-Con from the 1980s and early 90s.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Hate them almost as much as I hated The Hobbit.

What didn't you like about the Hobbit? Just curious.

Narland wrote:What didn't you like about the Hobbit? Just curious.

You ever see that picture of Gandalf sitting around crying surrounded by greenscreen?

Miencraft wrote:You ever see that picture of Gandalf sitting around crying surrounded by greenscreen?

Yes. He almost quit acting altogether. I liked the book (as a kid), but didn't like the movie.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Episode 7 and 8 sucked.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Episode 7 and 8 sucked.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Hate them almost as much as I hated The Hobbit.

Wilhelm be spiting straight facts

Narland

Narland wrote:What didn't you like about the Hobbit? Just curious.

The Hobbit was a unmitigated disaster. Huge deviations from the books that added little of merit, extreme over use of CGI especially considering the amazing practical effects used on The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, the unique? decision to double the frame rate. The Hobbit should have been one maybe, and that is a huge maybe, two movies at most. Also the "Tauriel" and Kili romance was cringeworthy and ruined the impact behind Gimli and Legolas eventual friendship.

As someone who has huge respect for Tolkien's work, I have read The Lord of the Rings trilogy 17 times, it was a travesty what Peter Jackson allowed to be done to the hobbit. Especially considering Jacksons unique devotion to the books. He didn't invent much for the lord of the rings movies that wasn't in the books, though Faramir being tempted by the ring was a silly inclusion. He invented loads for the hobbit. For those who don't mind limited questionable legal issues, I recommend the Tolkien edit of the Hobbit trilogy if you can get your hands on one.

Miencraft, Narland

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The Disney stuff I haven't liked much of it. I hate their main story with Rey, kilo ren ect. Characters suck and the story is literally the recycled plot of the original trilogy with characters i actively despise. Rogue one had forgettable characters and a shoehorned female protagonist. Solo was disappointing I expected more out of Han, he seemed like a background character in his own movie

Narland

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The movies i am most excited for are Ford v Ferrari and The Irishman

The New United States

Jadentopian Order wrote:Even worse, he’s from Wisconsin

Didn’t you once support Scott Walker at some point?

Venomringo wrote:Didn’t you once support Scott Walker at some point?

We all make mistakes in life. Mine, unfortunately, was putting any amount of support into the state of Wisconsin.

Venomringo

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Episode 7 was pretty good for what it had to accomplish: a new Star Wars film that had to inspire the old fanbase and draw in new ones while keeping a veneer of familiarity. I liked it. But Episode 8 was a monstrosity of a film that, in my eyes, has rendered the whole new trilogy poorly written fan fiction to me. I will still see 9 but my hopes are quite low.

Rogue One was fantastic, and Solo is a straight 5/10 movie that did not need to be made. Also, the first two episodes of The Mandalorian are awesome.

Islands, The New United States

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I, a Gen Z, was just "ok boomer'd" by a slightly younger Gen Z.

Skaveria wrote:I, a Gen Z, was just "ok boomer'd" by a slightly younger Gen Z.

ok boomer

Islands, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Jadentopian Order

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Miencraft wrote:ok boomer

Your generation has no respect for their elders. . . I bet you'd try to swipe a painting. . . it's all that phone's fault . . .

The New United States, Rateria

phone bad book good. my marriage is falling apart

Miencraft, Islands, Pevvania, Rateria, Skaveria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Stop. Just stop. Go watch original trilogy and then come back and apologize for this statement.

Come on dude it was a pretty fun movie. I have no interest in it now of course, since 8 retroactively made 7 worse, but at the time I really liked it.

The New United States

Also remember that back in 2015 the collective opinion of the prequel films had not been rehabilitated yet. Many Star Wars fans were still quite angry at George Lucas, and 7 was made with that in mind and seeking to avoid any similar problems. It kind of makes sense we'd get something that felt the same as the originals.

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:Come on dude it was a pretty fun movie. I have no interest in it now of course, since 8 retroactively made 7 worse, but at the time I really liked it.

I agree with this. Ep. 7 left us with some interesting threads that were promptly crapped on and ruined by ep. 8. I remember thoroughly enjoying The Force Awakens when I saw it at the cinema.

Pevvania

New poll in Zentari. Come and vote!

Your Opinion on the Gold Standard?

The New United States, Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Luxemborglo, welcome! Feel free to introduce yourself.

Thanks. I’ve been busy the whole day and haven’t been able

to logon to NationStates. I’m 14 and I’ve just been getting into RP

and my friend recommended this game for me so I’ve decided to try it out.

Islands, Narland, Rateria, Skaveria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Stiltusgibberum

Luxemborglo wrote:I’m 14

and this is deep

But also as someone who started playing NS at 12 I feel I must warn you that if you're still around these parts in eight years you are going to feel like the boomerest of all boomers.

Islands, Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight, Kongeriget Island, Luxemborglo

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Pevvania wrote:Also remember that back in 2015 the collective opinion of the prequel films had not been rehabilitated yet. Many Star Wars fans were still quite angry at George Lucas, and 7 was made with that in mind and seeking to avoid any similar problems. It kind of makes sense we'd get something that felt the same as the originals.

The prequels were the first Star Wars movies I ever saw back when I was like 17-years old. I loved the prequels and I still do. For me the prequels are still the best Star Wars movies.

Miri Islands, Luxemborglo

Luxemborglo wrote:Thanks. I’ve been busy the whole day and haven’t been able

to logon to NationStates. I’m 14 and I’ve just been getting into RP

and my friend recommended this game for me so I’ve decided to try it out.

Welcome to NS! Enjoy the game. Feel free to ask questions if you want to know anything about the game.

Rateria

the only star wars movies worthy of attention are the original trilogy.

The United States Of Patriots, Luxemborglo

Venomringo wrote:Nah, anti-semitism is still a pretty big issue. Since becoming more visibly Jewish, I have experienced *a lot* of hate at my university. I’ve been called a k*ke, h*eb, Christ-killer, and told that I’m going to h*ll. Then there are the microaggressions like “nice disk on your head,” which may not seem like a big deal to those outside the community but these annoyances compound with the direct aggressions and it’s impossible not get enraged. Organizations on my campus like Students Against Israeli Arpatheid go way beyond just “criticizing” Israel; they demonize, delegitimize, and hold it to double standards, which are all tenets of anti-Semitism. A lot of anti-Semitism today doesn’t solely exist just as stereotypes, insults, and general dishonor, but as Anti-Zionism as people try to literally erase our identity.

Don’t go around speaking for a community and their experiences. Hate has existed and will always continue to exist if we don’t do something about it.

Oh wow I didn't know you were Jewish. Sorry to hear about your experience. These people like to use coded language. On my campus, a 'collective' of clubs demanded the university increase funding for all cultural clubs "except those promoting Zionism". Hmm.

Rateria, Venomringo

Islands wrote:The prequels were the first Star Wars movies I ever saw back when I was like 17-years old. I loved the prequels and I still do. For me the prequels are still the best Star Wars movies.

Suzi Island wrote:the only star wars movies worthy of attention are the original trilogy.

I think the originals are the best, but the prequels have their place too. 1 is not great, 2 is decent but a bit slow, and 3 is phenomenal and probably my third-favourite Star Wars movie.

Islands

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Pevvania wrote:Oh wow I didn't know you were Jewish. Sorry to hear about your experience. These people like to use coded language. On my campus, a 'collective' of clubs demanded the university increase funding for all cultural clubs "except those promoting Zionism". Hmm.

Same on my campus, it’s really quite ridiculous. Zionism is an integral part to Judaism - you can’t have one without the other and, unfortunately, many people ignore that. Nearly every essential prayer in Judaism directly references Israel as our home, including the Shema, which we recite when we awake, sleep, and near death.

Pevvania, Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Weren't you an anti-Zionist last year?

Age and religion awaken conservatism

The New United States, Luxemborglo

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Skaveria wrote:Age and religion awaken conservatism

If by age you mean the wisdom and understanding that comes with maturity and productivity, yes.

There is nothing worse than watching a 30 year thoughtlessly behaving like an obdurately immature 15 year old in public, or throwing toddlerish temper tantrum.

-- except for watching the unconservative/illiberal majority in the US House of Representatives on C-SPAN behaving like the meanest of the most morally stupid middle school thespian theatre troop imaginable method act a confused remake of Lord of the Flies to the theme of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar in the style One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest just to get at the new kid who's quirkiness challenges the mean kids' dominance.

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Skaveria

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Narland wrote:If by age you mean the wisdom and understanding that comes with maturity and productivity, yes.

There is nothing worse than watching a 30 year thoughtlessly behaving like an obdurately immature 15 year old in public, or throwing toddlerish temper tantrum.

-- except for watching the unconservative/illiberal majority in the US House of Representatives on C-SPAN behaving like the meanest of the most morally stupid middle school thespian theatre troop imaginable method act a confused remake of Lord of the Flies to the theme of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar in the style One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest just to get at the new kid who's quirkiness challenges mean kids' dominance.

The theater kid reference hit home. I was in theater my senior year, some of them, I assume, are good people, but the rest were a troup of non-stop woke

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Jesus, I've been on NS almost as long as Libertatem has existed.

Weird flex but ok

Islands

We need more super male vitality alphas and less soy boy beta male theater kids

Narland, The New United States, Tupolite, Miri Islands

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Weren't you an anti-Zionist last year?

I mean probably

Skaveria wrote:The theater kid reference hit home. I was in theater my senior year, some of them, I assume, are good people, but the rest were a troup of non-stop woke

This is a true statement, I was in theater all through jr. high and high school. The vast, vast majority of theater students are hard left, and many were militantly so.

Narland

Skaveria wrote:Age and religion awaken conservatism

Despite getting into religion, I haven't felt a desire to instill my beliefs into law and enforce my morality through government.

Rateria, Highway Eighty-Eight

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I must say: for this overly long statement, which nearly killed me, you are an awful person. Quit it.

I try to be succinct, but my head explodes when trying to make sense of what is going on in Congress. Then I realize one cannot make sense of madness, but merely describe it. This Session cares more about exorcising the Orange Man from the White House with Voodoo Theatre than they do about securing the Republic.

The New United States

Venomringo wrote:Despite getting into religion, I haven't felt a desire to instill my beliefs into law and enforce my morality through government.

Who says that's what "conservatism" is? If conservatism simply means the instilling of beliefs into law and the enforcement of some kind of morality, then essentially all legislation is "conservative" and "conservatism" ceases to be a meaningful concept.

The American conservative seeks to conserve the institutions and values that made this country great, and religion and experience [I]do[/I] often give people a better appreciation for those things.

Miri Islands, Kongeriget Island

Skaveria wrote:The theater kid reference hit home. I was in theater my senior year, some of them, I assume, are good people, but the rest were a troup of non-stop woke

It was just as bad back in the 70s and 80s -- my high school drama class were either outright Marxists (the "cool" Maoist kind) or Fabian Socialists except for the mimes (no joke). The puppeteers (they don't really count) were more representative of the local demographics).

Nothing in the media arts since the cultural revolution -- comic books, script writers, theatre and movie production except for rare oases tolerates Conservatism. It isn't hep to not push the Neomarxist envelope and therefore one is generally avoided as being too normative/bourgeoisie. Once they target you as a Christian Amero-Conservative (see what I did there. ;) ) and lean heavily Libertarian, unless you have deep pockets or thick connections there is slim chance of being appreciated (economic and social sense) or not blackballed in the media arts.

Even Randian Libertarians are rarely tolerated unless they can somehow be used as a tool.

Suzi Island wrote:We need more super male vitality alphas and less soy boy beta male theater kids

Well I like to think of myself as an alpha theatre major

Islands, Narland, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Luxemborglo, we also have a discord server (link in the text box at the top of the region page).

I haven’t used that app in a long time, I’ll have to download again.

Soapbox Rant:

Congress has one primary job to do, just one -- pass general statutes in Federal Compact regarding 17 specific things without infringing on the life, liberty and property of the States and the People (the Citizenry). That is to say, promote liberty and equality in Federal Union subordinate to the Supreme Law of the Land in excising their limited governance. They cannot even do that right. They try pass off myriads of out of bounds statutes (which they egotistically call laws) inadvertently (and perhaps deliberately) destroying liberty and equality wherever they obtrude. Except on rare occasion they do something upholding their Constitutional duty, my whole life they have done violence to their oath office.

Impeachment is a Crime and Punishment ancillary that falls to the House against actual bribery, and High Crimes and Misdemeanors by the President (such as deprivation of rights under colour of authority and misprision of felony, actual bribery) not to be used as an instrument of factious political displeasure. They cannot even do that right. No actual criminal evidence has been given (no bribery, no extortion no quid pro quo, no sedition, no treason), whilst they themselves commit High Crimes and Misdemeanors such as deprivation of rights under colour of authority (Orange Man Bad -- We lynch Orange Man with unwarranted impeachment), and misprision of felonies (suppressing Burisma data, the Medvedev hot mike, etc).

We are being the very thing our Founders rebelled against. The Majority Leadership of this Session of the House of Representatives have lost their bloody collective minds. The Minority of Congress are (as a group) obsequious Establishment spendthrifts - 1/3 of which are unabashed Nevertrumpers. The Administrative State are shown to be king-makers unto themselves and enemies of the very State (our Federal Union of States and the People), the Constitution thereunto they have supposedly sworn to uphold.

Miri Islands

Pevvania wrote:Well I like to think of myself as an alpha theatre major

Break a leg!

Pevvania, Rateria

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The crass nature of US politics can be seen on full display with the coverage of an incident related to Eric Swalwell. It is such a disgusting topic I don't even wish to dignify the nature of it, but I'm really just appalled that this is what we're talking about in the "news" this week.

The New United States

Pevvania wrote:The crass nature of US politics can be seen on full display with the coverage of an incident related to Eric Swalwell. It is such a disgusting topic I don't even wish to dignify the nature of it, but I'm really just appalled that this is what we're talking about in the "news" this week.

It’s not like anybody cares about the impeachment inquiries.

Pevvania wrote:The crass nature of US politics can be seen on full display with the coverage of an incident related to Eric Swalwell. It is such a disgusting topic I don't even wish to dignify the nature of it, but I'm really just appalled that this is what we're talking about in the "news" this week.

xd epic fart

Auxorii

As the rights of the individual are more concisely, clearly, and completely articulated in something like a constitution, and the limits of government are similarly expressed in said document, what need would a people have of democracy?

The whole point of democracy is to vote on different ideas. If the NAP were enforced in plain language and sufficiently articulated as to cover all potential issues, the politician would have no legal way to change it, therefore voting would be useless.

Miri Islands

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:If you were to join our server, the topics that seem most commonly brought up are: guns, CK2, inbred royalty, weed and drugs, the American Constitution, religion (a big topic), esotericism and secret societies, fascism, nuclear energy, Jewish supremacy, and whatever the latest meme is.

(Did I miss anything?)

Sounds good!

Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Well, technically America is nothing close to a democracy. Kinda hard to be a democracy when you have a document that is supreme, even against the will of the people.

You can't vote away natural rights. If there's a group of three people, and two of them vote to rob the third, a democratic robbery has happened. Your rights cannot be stripped from you simply because it's the "will of the people."

Auxorii, Miri Islands

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I don't think I ever said or implied that rights could be taken away. Rather, I said that " technically America is nothing close to a democracy. " and "Kinda hard to be a democracy when you have a document that is supreme, even against the will of the people."

Elections =/= Democracy

Democracy =/= Elections

Democracy is rule by the people, and more specifically, the people's will. It is populism in its most basic and pure form: Ochlocracy. A state does not require elections to be democratic, and neither is a state that conducts free elections democratic by default. America is not a democracy in that the will of the people as a collective is not in any way law, nor is it necessarily the basis of law. the United States is based on the Rule of Law, its Federal constitution being supreme over all other things. Rule of Law and Rule by the People are mutually exclusive.

I was speaking more to a hypothetical constitution. If there was a constitution that fully laid out the rights of the people in every way, would elections then become unnecessary?

Skaveria wrote:If there was a constitution that fully laid out the rights of the people in every way, would elections then become unnecessary?

How does it logically follow that every conceivable natural right belonging to people being outlined in a document leads to the obsoletion of elections?

Unless this is a constitution for a stateless society - somehow, since I get the feeling that a founding document for a society that has no state for the document to define is fairly useless - there will be a government that will have powers granted to it and in a republic it will consist of elected representatives. How would such a society participate in international diplomacy otherwise? How would it institute regulations that don't have anything at all to do with any of the rights that were defined in this theoretical constitution?

You're missing a step here. You don't go immediately from "every conceivable right is described in this document" (said rights by the way would exist otherwise, obviously, but this document just feels the need to list all of them for some reason) to "elections are not necessary". What has happened that makes them unnecessary? Is this a monarchy? An anarchy? Why would elections suddenly not be required?

Also, you're operating under the false assumption that a government of any kind - especially a democracy - cares about the rights of the people. You are correct, rights cannot be voted away. But they will be voted away anyways because no government in the history of humanity has ever cared what the rights of the people are. We don't give governments powers so that they can protect our rights - we give them powers because we need them to do some specific things, and we limit their powers so that they can't infringe upon our rights. The people have to defend those rights themselves, and in a democracy this becomes impossible because the only thing that is required for a right to no longer functionally exist in the government's eyes is for the majority of people to cease believing in its existence.

Skaveria wrote:I was speaking more to a hypothetical constitution. If there was a constitution that fully laid out the rights of the people in every way, would elections then become unnecessary?

People choose leaders to make a decision on their behalf. No matter how plain and simple the wording is in a Constitution eg:"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" someone will argue against it. A cohesive society cannot exist if people do not have leaders affirming a correct interpretation

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Miri Islands wrote:People choose leaders to make a decision on their behalf. No matter how plain and simple the wording is in a Constitution eg:"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" someone will argue against it. A cohesive society cannot exist if people do not have leaders affirming a correct interpretation

If the powers of government are reduced enough and enough actions are made unconstitutional, then the politician will have nothing to do. Obviously we can vote upon people who occupy the government positions, but a representative of a specific population would be unnecessary.

There's another thought. If the size of government were reduced enough, the people could feasibly directly elect every government employee and vote for how the spending is devided. The whole point of a representative democracy is for professional voters to represent folks who don't have time to vote on every issue.

If the government consisted of only the army, cops, courts, and a few utilities, and those things were also extremely decentralized, then members of a community could vote on who they want as members of their local constables/militia/judges. They could also vote on how those three split up the funding.

Skaveria wrote:I was speaking more to a hypothetical constitution. If there was a constitution that fully laid out the rights of the people in every way, would elections then become unnecessary?

Short answer:

In a Constitutional state (little s), elections are a check on the state. The purpose of the state is to ostensibly maintain order. The subset of the People maintaining the state (who exercise the power and authority of the state) need a reminder whom they are serving, regardless of how many rights are laid out or how pervasively those rights are enshrined.

Miencraft, Rateria

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A limited government Constitutional Federal Republic (in classical terminology) is designed to stop the natural forms of anarchy (lawlessness and despotism) occurring in human history.

These are manifest as:

==tyranny (vague and arbitrary rule of one),

==oligarchy (vague and arbitrary rule of the few), and

==democracy (vague and arbitrary rule of the many)

A Republic is designed to stop these harmful forms in their tracks.

A Republic (American sense) appeals to the higher Law (the Laws of Nature and Nature's God) instead of the powers that be (the one, the few, the many) as the final arbiter of what is right, just and true.

A republic (in the American form) encourages:

== a limited monarchy in the execute to provide quick and responsive action.

== a restrictive polity in the legislative to slowly work through long term logistics, and

== a bound aristocracy in the judiciary to provide wise decisive counsel.

A Republic is a doctrine of rule that insists on constitutional limited government, checks and balances, division of powers, distinct jurisdictions, unyielding due process, and natural rights.

Democracy is none of these things. It can only mimic for a time good governance. It can only appeal to the caprice of popularity as the basis of its authority thus undermining itself.

Historically democracies have yielded to mob rule and given way to the strong man leader that seizes control by means of the oligarchs that arises from the disaffection of the masses. In the French Revolution Democracy took on a positive term without any attempt to allay its inherent malevolence. The Continental Revolutionaries ignored it to their own peril and their own demise.

Democracy is still the rule of the many (a majority) without regard to objective truth, justice, or righteousness (rights) as it can only appeal to the many as the justification of its sovereignty. A Representative Democracy just slows down the inherent process of destruction. A Socialist Democracy, I suppose is the majority robbing themselves and the minority that they can waylay of their life, liberty, and property to give the spoils to whom the majority deems deserving through elections by disguising their avarice, hatred, and intolerance as compassion, enlightenment, and virtue.

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Anarchy and despotism are mutually exclusive.

I was using the classical definitions where anarchy is lawlessness and tyranny, not the specific modern definition of stateless self governance in lawful manner.

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It seems like no matter what I do my economic freedom keeps going down

Miri Islands wrote:It seems like no matter what I do my economic freedom keeps going down

Just stop answering issues.

Also your economy is at 100 and has been for ages. Whatchu on about?

Miencraft wrote:Just stop answering issues.

Also your economy is at 100 and has been for ages. Whatchu on about?

Economy and economic freedom are different stats. Besides I still have to lower my political freedom. I'm at 5 now

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