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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Heimat

Yes, that is what Germany called it. I had forgotten. What became the Department of Homeland Security act was advocated back in the the 30s by the American Nazi Party. It (and other abominations -- like the 1967 Federal gun act) had been floating around the Beltway in various forms for 70 years before the Bush administration and Congress was gullible/sinister enough to pass it after 9/11 tragedy.

Statist regimes all have an arm of its state (European sense) -- even Marx's stateless state such as the Soviet Union under Lenin tending their version of of Homeland Security. One of our American History textbooks used to use as a proof that we (Americans) had no need of a Department of Homeland Security (a national arm to spy on its Citizens). Unlike Police States, we are free because we have no need of a Department of Homeland. It gave warning that Britain having adopted one, would soon fall into the same loss of personal freedom that other European countries that had never truly known freedom. Leave it to craven despots in our midst to foist this most unAmerican and unRepublican abomination of enslavement upon the American people.

Narland wrote:I was going to do a short glossary, but this is too long already. If it is a political term, you can best bet that the definition has been twisted to frame a Dialectic Determinist narrative.

Possibly because you quoted me twice.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:Instead of having a senate and a house of representatives, how about having a council of governors and a house of representatives, to balance the political ideological balance of the council of governors, with a president and vice president of the nation? The governors can propose laws to the house of representatives in groups of governors and separately? The governors administer the laws of their states and the laws of the house of representatives, through their council of ministers? I Prefer to use the term nation instead of country, it sounds nicer, like in nationstates. I Prefer a Council of Ministers and Ministries instead of departments and secretaries, it sounds nicer.

I’m not much of a fan of executives being directly involved in the making of laws and legislative decisions, in normal circumstances.

Keep in mind that in the past, the state governments used to appoint senators, which represented the states governments. Today, the Senate is simply a less-responsible House, with larger constituencies and longer term limits.

Miencraft, Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:Instead of having a senate and a house of representatives, how about having a council of governors and a house of representatives, to balance the political ideological balance of the council of governors, with a president and vice president of the nation? The governors can propose laws to the house of representatives in groups of governors and separately? The governors administer the laws of their states and the laws of the house of representatives, through their council of ministers? I Prefer to use the term nation instead of country, it sounds nicer, like in nationstates. I Prefer a Council of Ministers and Ministries instead of departments and secretaries, it sounds nicer.

We had something better than that. The Federal Government was restricted to 17-20 things mentioned in the Constitution (depending on how one listed them). The States through its Governor and State legislatures had a say at the Federal level because they appointed the Senators, and the Senators of that State worked at the pleasure of the State's Legislature. The States through their free association with (or without) other States did everything else except those things (all political power not specifically delegated to the Federal Government, the State Government (some were Shared responsibilities) were reserved to the People.

My State Idaho, has 124 delegated powers derived from the People. All other powers are reserved to the People. The people then use their undelegated sovereignty to contract for themselves at the County/Municipal lever through deliberation (County and City legislative powers) and voting on bonds. It worked too well. Progressives couldn't Socialize the United States into instability and revolt until they destroyed our republican (little r) form of government.

Miencraft

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Possibly because you quoted me twice.

I’m not much of a fan of executives being directly involved in the making of laws and legislative decisions, in normal circumstances.

Keep in mind that in the past, the state governments used to appoint senators, which represented the states governments. Today, the Senate is simply a less-responsible House, with larger constituencies and longer term limits.

Right. Their involvement was as a check and balance against Legislative corruption, not as a director of legislation. If I misspoke I did not mean to imply otherwise.

The Founders were very particular about their choices for the names of political offices. A President traditionally has less power and authority than a Governor. They chose President because it implied that the President would act in service to the country as an ambassador at large in international community. He would help the Governors themselves regarding the 20 delegated powers, and recognize the Governor's superiority in the powers reserved to the States and the People.

The Founders didn't anticipate Manifest Destiny being hijacked as a concept (originally Carey and his predecessors used the term (minus the caps) as the inevitability of free trade (real free trade not the fake free trade that is called free trade by our pollical hacks in the 21st century) and access to foreign markets directly by American businessmen and workers. They couldn't have imaged growing any farther west than the Mississippi river. The Senate's role as Presidential advisors, and participants in foreign matters of State under the Constitution works well with 13 to 20 states. 50 States, not so much.

it is harder to bribe 35 of the 50 state's Legislatures to graft the lobbied legislation against the will of the People, than the redundant House Lite that is the Senate that we have now. Repealing most of the amendments civil statute amendments (and relegating them to statutes at large needing a supermajority to change), and rewording the Reconstruction Amendments to rid us of bad banking would be a good change of pace for the People.

Miencraft

I think it is imperative to repeal the 17th Amendment so the both the States and the People are represented in the Federal Government.

Miencraft

I just took a break from arguing back and forth on the general forums, with the leftist, liberal, democrat, progressives and real leftists as Therm calls them, all by myself like usual, lol.

Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I just took a break from arguing back and forth on the general forums, with the leftist, liberal, democrat, progressives and real leftists as Therm calls them, all by myself like usual, lol.

If I could clone myself multiple times, I would be able to spend more time on NS forums (among other things.)

Miami Jai-Alai 3

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Narland wrote:I look forward to many good conversations.

The USA should have a Minister of Immigration and Citizenship, like my nations of Miami.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:

What would be the Office's duly constituted functions, and what would be its the checks and balances?

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Personally, I would dissolve every unconstitutional agency. I would greatly reduce the State Department and decentralize it much in the manner of Switzerland.

There would be an independent Bureau of Immigration under the office of the President, with Senatorial oversight that would insure that criminal fraud and coercion is not being perpetrated on by or for those entering and leaving US borders forcussed on investigation and forensics (traditional jurisprudence sense, not pop culture synonym for fancy coroners with privilege); that those who are outlaws, brigands, pirates, and highwayman, -- the 21st Century equivalents) are identified and pursuit given over to the US Marshals Service, but otherwise make the borders as open as possible in relation to the State of world peace, and in consideration of the strategies of our enemies.

Right now IRL Trump's plan is the most sane thing I have heard that is reasonably implementable. Once our border is secure then we can have those golden gates open to the world. Once we get rid of private, personal, and corporate welfare subsidized without contractual legitimacy by written consent of each and every taxpayer involved, then we can return to greatly opening our borders.

I would stick Customs under the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard itself would be under a greatly reduced Department of Interior. Instead harrassing honest free enterprise operatives that engage in the gray markets (and the black markets that do no actual harm), but to once again seek down those who would commit criminal fraud or coercive acts against the people in perfidious ways.

I would encourage each and every State to take Citizenship seriously as to what type of Citizenry would best fit a free people as it is their Constitutional duty to determine who may become Citizens.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Narland wrote:What would be the Office's duly constituted functions, and what would be its the checks and balances?

To enforce legal and illegal immigration laws. To make sure one part of the government is not doing one thing and another part of the government is doing another.

I have very strict legal and illegal immigration laws in my nation of Greater Miami Shores, we have 0 illegal immigrants.

Meet my Ministers of Immigration and Citizenship:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1722990

Narland

Abolish all the three letter agencies

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:Instead of having a senate and a house of representatives, how about having a council of governors and a house of representatives, to balance the political ideological balance of the council of governors, with a president and vice president of the nation? The governors can propose laws to the house of representatives in groups of governors and separately? The governors administer the laws of their states and the laws of the house of representatives, through their council of ministers? I Prefer to use the term nation instead of country, it sounds nicer, like in nationstates. I Prefer a Council of Ministers and Ministries instead of departments and secretaries, it sounds nicer.

Or, hear me out, we just repeal the 17th amendment

Miencraft, Narland, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Let's get rid of 16 while we're at it.

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:Let's get rid of 16 while we're at it.

The sixteenth amendment is insanely counter to the basic points of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Miencraft, Narland, Miri Islands

16 is basically:

Congress can take any of your money for any reason whatsoever.

Miencraft, Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands

All Trump supporters, should resign en masse from the majority or plurality leftist, globalist, new world order WA and create a right wing organization.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:All Trump supporters, should resign en masse from the majority or plurality leftist, globalist, new world order WA and create a right wing organization.

What benefit would this be to Trump supporters?

As an aside, I didn’t care for the cult of personality around a man unfaithful in several marriages, and I don’t see the benefit to liberty that could come from maintaining that cult post-presidency. It’s not as though there is a reasonable chance the guy is going to get re-elected. He’s already old.

Auxorii

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:What benefit would this be to Trump supporters?

As an aside, I didn’t care for the cult of personality around a man unfaithful in several marriages, and I don’t see the benefit to liberty that could come from maintaining that cult post-presidency. It’s not as though there is a reasonable chance the guy is going to get re-elected. He’s already old.

I am tired of this, I don't call Hillary supporters Hillary Cultists. President Obama Supporters Obama Cultists, Biden Supporters, Biden Cultists, I call them Supporters, because they strongly agree with them and Democrat Politicians on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it.

I am tired of this, and we are tired of this. I am not a Trump Cultist, we are not Trump Cultists, we are Proud Republican Trump Supporters, because we strongly agree with President Trump and most Republicans on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it, like on CRT, Cuba Perhaps lol, Russia Gate, Ukraine Gate, Virus Gate, Election Gate, Jan 6 Gate and all anti Trump Gates. by the leftist, liberal. democrat, progressive Politicians, VIPs and leftist media, talking points. As far as I GMS and us are concerned President Trump is not guilty of these charges, so there is nothing to criticize him for on it. I am tired of this calling us Trump Cultists because we strongly support President Trump. We are Republicans, we are not Democrats and real leftists as Therm calls them. You guys learned these terms from the leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media.

Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I am tired of this, I don't call Hillary supporters Hillary Cultists. President Obama Supporters Obama Cultists, Biden Supporters, Biden Cultists, I call them Supporters, because they strongly agree with them on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it.

I am tired of this, and we are tired of this. I am not a Trump Cultist, we are not Trump Cultists, we are Proud Republican Trump Supporters, because we strongly agree with President Trump and most Republicans on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it, like on CRT, Cuba Perhaps lol, Russia Gate, Ukraine Gate, Virus Gate, Election Gate, Jan 6 Gate and all anti Trump Gates. by the leftist, liberal. democrat, progressive Politicians, VIPs and leftist media, talking points. As far as I GMS and us are concerned President Trump is not guilty of these charges, so there is nothing to criticize him for on it. I am tired of this calling us Trump Cultists because we strongly support President Trump. We are Republicans, we are not Democrats and real leftists as Therm calls them. You guys learned these terms from the leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media.

This, I get tired of being labeled a "trump supporter" as though I agree with everything he does (which I don't). It seems to be a foreign concept in the mind of the left that you can disagree with your own candidate and still support the candidate at the same time

Narland, Auxorii

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Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I am tired of this, I don't call Hillary supporters Hillary Cultists. President Obama Supporters Obama Cultists, Biden Supporters, Biden Cultists, I call them Supporters, because they strongly agree with them and Democrat Politicians on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it.

I am tired of this, and we are tired of this. I am not a Trump Cultist, we are not Trump Cultists, we are Proud Republican Trump Supporters, because we strongly agree with President Trump and most Republicans on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it, like on CRT, Cuba Perhaps lol, Russia Gate, Ukraine Gate, Virus Gate, Election Gate, Jan 6 Gate and all anti Trump Gates. by the leftist, liberal. democrat, progressive Politicians, VIPs and leftist media, talking points. As far as I GMS and us are concerned President Trump is not guilty of these charges, so there is nothing to criticize him for on it. I am tired of this calling us Trump Cultists because we strongly support President Trump. We are Republicans, we are not Democrats and real leftists as Therm calls them. You guys learned these terms from the leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media.

Dude, chill out.

This exact post (the sentence structure, vocabulary, etc.) is sorta what I’m talking about.

As to not calling other people cultists... I don’t see people falling head over heals for Obama or Hillary at every event, or see Obama or Hillary hats and flags multiple times a day, and none of the liberals I know on social media plaster their social media pages with the same post where the former president is standing like Jesus next to a Bible verse and a bunch of rhetoric about “Him” (big emphasis) being martyred for attempting to redeem the nation.

The only two politicians in America that I can identify with major cults of personality like that are the former president and Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders is steadily going to the wayside without a presidency to bolster his attention.

Lol

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:This, I get tired of being labeled a "trump supporter" as though I agree with everything he does (which I don't). It seems to be a foreign concept in the mind of the left that you can disagree with your own candidate and still support the candidate at the same time

I wasn’t calling “Trump Supporters” cultists, I was pointing out the dangerous, counterproductive, un-republican cult of personality around Donald Trump.

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I wasn’t calling “Trump Supporters” cultists, I was pointing out the dangerous, counterproductive, un-republican cult of personality around Donald Trump.

He's the best president we've had in a long time, someone who seems to really get what America is all about and you're suprised when people love him? I'd agree with you if people blindly supported everything he did but it's just not the case. Remember when he did that missile strike in Syria and his base gave him hell for warmongering. He didn't do anything like that again. Bump stock ban? Base was angry with him and he later admitted it was a mistake. He pushed for people to take the vax and he got booed at his own rally. It's clear there isn't a cult of personality there

Miencraft, Narland, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Dude, chill out.

This exact post (the sentence structure, vocabulary, etc.) is sorta what I’m talking about.

As to not calling other people cultists... I don’t see people falling head over heals for Obama or Trump at every event, or see Obama or Hillary hats and flags multiple times a day, and none of the liberals I know on social media plaster their social media pages with the same post where the former president is standing like Jesus next to a Bible verse and a bunch of rhetoric about “Him” (big emphasis) being martyred for attempting to redeem the nation.

The only two politicians in America that I can identify with major cults of personality like that are the former president and Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders is steadily going to the wayside without a presidency to bolster his attention.

Lol

I think you don't post to much on the general forums. I don't have anything to chill out about: Posted by highway_eighty-eight - As an aside, I didn’t care for the cult of personality around a man - in reference to President Trump and his supporters, yes you are calling us Trump Cultists. I have posted video links on the forums of President Obama supporters, celebrating his election victory, I have posted video links of Obama supporters, Hillary and Bernie Sander supporters cheering them on, and I GMS dont them Obama Cultists, Hillary Cultists, Bernie Sander Cultists and Biden Cultists, I call them supporters, and there is nothing wrong with it. It is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy. I Practice with Pride and Honor.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I think you don't post to much on the general forums. I don't have anything to chill out about: Posted by highway_eighty-eight - As an aside, I didn’t care for the cult of personality around a man - in reference to President Trump and his supporters, yes you are calling us Trump Cultists. I have posted video links on the forums of President Obama supporters, celebrating his election victory, I have posted video links of Obama supporters, Hillary and Bernie Sander supporters cheering them on, and I GMS dont them Obama Cultists, Hillary Cultists, Bernie Sander Cultists and Biden Cultists, I call them supporters, and there is nothing wrong with it. It is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy. I respect with Pride and Honor.

Whatever dude. I’ll let you know the next time I see a Hillary Clinton supporter (buying Hillary Clinton merch, flying a Hillary flag over their front lawn, with their outdated Hillary presidential candidacy sign still up, while also maintaining a Facebook page where half the posts praise the former president as if he were comparable to Jesus).

The examples you gave were also during rallies and after elections. Trump has been out of the white house for a while now...

And, yeah, I find loving any politician to be distasteful and suspect in a republican system (and despite the oft repeated claim, he most certainly is a politician, and during his presidential election he was the most successful.) The fact is that I said one thing against the former president, you freaked out and sorta gave evidence in favor of my point, and ended your response with what was essentially: He did nothing wrong at all, so don’t criticize him.

Miri Islands wrote:He's the best president we've had in a long time, someone who seems to really get what America is all about and you're suprised when people love him? I'd agree with you if people blindly supported everything he did but it's just not the case. Remember when he did that missile strike in Syria and his base gave him hell for warmongering. He didn't do anything like that again. Bump stock ban? Base was angry with him and he later admitted it was a mistake. He pushed for people to take the vax and he got booed at his own rally. It's clear there isn't a cult of personality there

I’ve pointed out a lot of the bad things that Trump has supported, like the bump stock ban, to his supporters, and most of them seemed to be completely unaware that he supported them. Anecdotal, but still.

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Whatever dude. I’ll let you know the next time I see a Hillary Clinton supporter (buying Hillary Clinton merch, flying a Hillary flag over their front lawn, with their outdated Hillary presidential candidacy sign still up, while also maintaining a Facebook page where half the posts praise the former president as if he were comparable to Jesus).

The examples you gave were also during rallies and after elections. Trump has been out of the white house for a while now...

And, yeah, I find loving any politician to be distasteful and suspect in a republican system (and despite the oft repeated claim, he most certainly is a politician, and during his presidential election he was the most successful.) The fact is that I said one thing against the former president, you freaked out and sorta gave evidence in favor of my point, and ended your response with what was essentially: He did nothing wrong at all, so don’t criticize him.

As I said, President Trump is not guilty of the leftist Democrat charges against him, according to me and us, so we cant criticize him for it, as you leftist Democrats and real leftists as Therm calls them want. It does not make us cultists of any kind, I did not prove your point. You can criticize President Trump, it does not bother me, but don't call us cultists for supporting him and defending him. But I will defend him, just like you guys criticize him.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:As I said, President Trump is not guilty of the leftist Democrat charges against him, according to me and us, so we cant criticize him for it, as you leftist Democrats and real leftists as Therm calls them want. It does not make us cultists of any kind, I did not prove your point. You can criticize President Trump, it does not bother me, but don't call us cultists for supporting him and defending him. But I will defend him, just like you guys criticize him.

Damn, you caught me, them. I’m a full out Marxist drag queen on roller skates... I wasn’t aware that he was completely without blame according to you. Please carry on my Latinx friend. May Gaea bless you.

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Damn, you caught me, them. I’m a full out Marxist drag queen on roller skates... I wasn’t aware that he was completely without blame according to you. Please carry on my Latinx friend. May Gaea bless you.

I stated very clearly the issues President Trump is not guilty of. I have posted on the general forums, I strongly disagree with his betrayal of the Kurds, I think Kurdistan should be and can be an independent nation state, oil rich, military power like Israel, allied to the USA. I have the nation of NS Greater Kurdistan.

I criticized him on the general forums for his negotiations with the Taliban in Afghanistan, you cant Trust the Taliban. I have stated on the general forums, I did not like his praise of North Korea's dear leader. I used to work with 2 North Koreans, a Vietnamese Lady and a Nicaraguan Lady, on our hour long break we used to speak in English and share stories of our native nations of Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Nicaragua, and we found out we have a lot in common.

I am not a Latinx. You can call me Crazy, Crazy Cuban, Cuban, Cuban American, Alberto, Hispanic or Latino, or any of these terms in combination.

Your NS and Discord Friend - Crazy Cuban Alberto - Peace.

Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I am not a Latinx. You can call me Crazy, Crazy Cuban, Cuban, Cuban American, Alberto, Hispanic or Latino, or any of these terms in combination.

Your NS and Discord Friend - Crazy Cuban Alberto - Peace.

I’m sorry, I’m not going to humor your internalized chauvinism and racism, resulting from hundreds of years of WASP domination of the world’s means of production and institutionalized power dynamics that negatively impact the lives of minorities, especially PoC, Latinx, women, LGBTQA+ and the working class.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I’m sorry, I’m not going to humor your internalized chauvinism and racism, resulting from hundreds of years of WASP domination of the world’s means of production and institutionalized power dynamics that negatively impact the lives of minorities, especially PoC, Latinx, women, LGBTQA+ and the working class.
Whoever you are, because based on this post, I might know you by another nation name, What? I posted a nice post to you and I signed it your NS and Discord Friend, but you call me a chauvinist and racist for my Pro Republican, Pro Trump Political views. It does not mean I am racist. Most Hispanic Latinos don't use the term Latinx. Most Hispanic Latinos don't like the term Latinix.

My Spaniard ancestors of España La Madre Patria, had black slaves and sugar plantations in Cuba, it does not mean I am racist. I think you saw my post, where I state, my family in Cuba was middle class and upper class, we had cars, houses, farms, businesses and the hotel bar and restaurant. But Voltaire was the rich $ upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of high society. He had 5 family style restaurants in La Habana, not Havana, La Habana, and many business investments, all impounded or nationalized by Fidel, while he and his family live like rich $ upper class capitalists.

I have the nations of Madrid Espana and Madrid Spain, Viva España La Madre Patria.

Your NS and Discord Friend - GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto.

I am all Persons NS and Discord Friend - Even Rojava s.

I like you crazy cuban

Narland, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Narland wrote:I look forward to many good conversations.

Suzi Island wrote:I like you crazy cuban

Gracias and Thank you.

Crazy Cuban.

Narland, Suzi Island

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:Whoever you are, because based on this post, I might know you by another nation name, What? I posted a nice post to you and I signed it your NS and Discord Friend, but you call me a chauvinist and racist for my Pro Republican, Pro Trump Political views. It does not mean I am racist. Most Hispanic Latinos don't use the term Latinx. Most Hispanic Latinos don't like the term Latinix.

My Spaniard ancestors of España La Madre Patria, had black slaves and sugar plantations in Cuba, it does not mean I am racist.

The term is an example of the inherent chauvinism of societies, which is so prevalent that languages become gendered, with the masculine given precedence over the feminine. As to your second point, the fact that your ancestors held slaves, and that your society upheld slavery, but doesn’t overtly hold slaves today, is not evidence against internalized, unconscious racism. The effects of racism and slavery continue to place people of color at a disadvantage.

https://discord.gg/qut6EPZ

It feels good to be in a region where you can be Pro Republicans, Pro Trump.

Narland

Imagine being pro- a man and pro- the Homeland Security but with elephants party.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

The GOP is so far from actual liberty that republicans would be better off boycotting elections.

Auxorii

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The GOP is so far from actual liberty that republicans would be better off boycotting elections.

We're working on it. Rino's are being purged left and right. The alternative is allowing a democrat to win. The choice is guy who promises to be your friend or a guy who promises to be your enemy

Narland, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I’m sorry, I’m not going to humor your internalized chauvinism and racism, resulting from hundreds of years of WASP domination of the world’s means of production and institutionalized power dynamics that negatively impact the lives of minorities, especially PoC, Latinx, women, LGBTQA+ and the working class.

Lol, looks like an AI generated leftist response on Twitter or something

Miri Islands wrote:Lol, looks like an AI generated leftist response on Twitter or something

Thanks

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Imagine being pro- a man and pro- the Homeland Security but with elephants party.

Called been Pro USA and Pro Democracy, Viva Trump 2016 2020 2024 and Forever, GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto, with Pride and Honor.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:with Pride

Isn’t awesome that you can marry now?

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I am tired of these leftist, Democrats, anti Republican, anti Trump, Political Kangaroo Court.

Narland, Miri Islands

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I am tired of these leftist, Democrats, anti Republican, anti Trump, Political Kangaroo Court.

Well, that’s what happens when people listen to FBI plants.

Narland

1 back to University to be a Right-Libertarian thorn in the side of Marxist Professor 5-anglo-names (with last one hyphenated) the IV, but goes by "Chaz" so as to belie his gilded boarding-school, gated community, fear & self-loathing upbringing

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:All Trump supporters, should resign en masse from the majority or plurality leftist, globalist, new world order WA and create a right wing organization.
It should at least be tried.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:What benefit would this be to Trump supporters?

As an aside, I didn’t care for the cult of personality around a man unfaithful in several marriages, and I don’t see the benefit to liberty that could come from maintaining that cult post-presidency. It’s not as though there is a reasonable chance the guy is going to get re-elected. He’s already old.

Chances are Trump will run in 2024. If DeSantis is the main contender it will get very ugly. The conglomerate media machines are already figuring out their plan of attack for this contingency.

They will make DeSantis look like the better of two evils; then they will make him look worse than Trump and Hitler combined. They will make any Conservative, Libertarian, Constitutionalist, or Independent look like National Socialist goons under Rohm. They will make any Democrat captured minority feel like they are traitors to their race. The barrage will be a tactic to turn off voters from anything middle America. Voters who (even though are normally even keeled lovers of liberty) are already made to look like domestic terrorists if they show any anger, resolve, or capability to stop the Marxist revolution.

Trump has some unfinished business with the Beltway regarding those policies. Ending ending the deep state is one of them. I would like to see it through. Trump has skin in the game in a manner that DeSantis does not. Trump has been burned by the hot stove of DC corruption in a way that has steeled his resolve.

DeSantis would make a wonderful Chief-of-Staff for Trump; an immediate advisor (even as he is still FL governor); or try him out as Secretary of Homeland Security. The synergy that they would have as partners would be too dangerous to Beltway. They must find a way to create an inseparable rift between the two.

Much of the US was stupid enough to believe the Leftist lies about Trump instead of reading his own books, the books he recommended to others, and the policy positions he wrote when helped form the Reform Party. (He may have had ghost writers, but that is not the point. Those were positions he held, even if he hired someone to put his thoughts down on paper, translated from Trumpese into acceptable Reformese.) Most of Americans drinking the mainstream media swill do not even remember that he ran in the 2000 primary on the Reform party. They quickly forgot those of his friends and neighbors (especially middle-class workers) who endorsed him, had their lives ruined by that same media scum.

If they were able to do that to a beloved (by the Left) media reality show producer with his own business empire, what are they going to do to DeSantis (a middle American without the necessary vicious survival instinct) when push comes to shove?

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Narland wrote:Chances are Trump will run in 2024. If DeSantis is the main contender it will get very ugly. The conglomerate media machines are already figuring out their plan of attack for this contingency.

They will make DeSantis look like the better of two evils; then they will make him look worse than Trump and Hitler combined. They will make any Conservative, Libertarian, Constitutionalist, or Independent look like National Socialist goons under Rohm. They will make any Democrat captured minority feel like they are traitors to their race. The barrage will be a tactic to turn off voters from anything middle America. Voters who (even though are normally even keeled lovers of liberty) are already made to look like domestic terrorists if they show any anger, resolve, or capability to stop the Marxist revolution.

Trump has some unfinished business with the Beltway regarding those policies. Ending ending the deep state is one of them. I would like to see it through. Trump has skin in the game in a manner that DeSantis does not. Trump has been burned by the hot stove of DC corruption in a way that has steeled his resolve.

DeSantis would make a wonderful Chief-of-Staff for Trump; an immediate advisor (even as he is still FL governor; or Secretary of Homeland Security. They synergy that they would have as partners would be too dangerous to Beltway. They must find a way to create an inseparable rift between the two.

Much of the US was stupid enough to believe the Leftist lies about Trump instead of reading his own books, the books he recommended to others, and the policy positions he wrote when helped form the Reform Party. (He may have had ghost writers, but that is not the point. Those were positions he held, even if he hired someone to put his thoughts down on paper, translated from Trumpese into acceptable Reformese.) Most of Americans drinking the mainstream media swill do not even remember that he ran in the 2000 primary on the Reform party. They quickly forgot those of his friends and neighbors (especially middle-class workers) who endorsed him, had their lives ruined by that same media scum.

If they were able to do that to a beloved (by the Left) media reality show producer with his own business empire, what are they going to do to DeSantis (a middle American without the necessary vicious survival instinct) when push comes to shove?

You are correct on the leftist media. Trump DeSantis President and Vice President 2024. But that darn 14th amendment, The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; Would mean Trump would have to make a deal with DeSantis to be his vice, and move to a safe Republican state in time to qualify on the ballot. But I hear Bush and Cheney had the same and similar problem, and it was fixed through a drivers license, not exactly sure how. But Ron DeSantis would have to resign as the reelected Governor of Florida. So I don't think it will happen, unfortunately so. Viva Trump 2016 2020 2024 and Forever.

Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I am tired of this, I don't call Hillary supporters Hillary Cultists. President Obama Supporters Obama Cultists, Biden Supporters, Biden Cultists, I call them Supporters, because they strongly agree with them and Democrat Politicians on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it.

I am tired of this, and we are tired of this. I am not a Trump Cultist, we are not Trump Cultists, we are Proud Republican Trump Supporters, because we strongly agree with President Trump and most Republicans on most issues, and there is nothing wrong with it, like on CRT, Cuba Perhaps lol, Russia Gate, Ukraine Gate, Virus Gate, Election Gate, Jan 6 Gate and all anti Trump Gates. by the leftist, liberal. democrat, progressive Politicians, VIPs and leftist media, talking points. As far as I GMS and us are concerned President Trump is not guilty of these charges, so there is nothing to criticize him for on it. I am tired of this calling us Trump Cultists because we strongly support President Trump. We are Republicans, we are not Democrats and real leftists as Therm calls them. You guys learned these terms from the leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media.

The Leftists usually accuse their enemies of that which they do or are themselves. This is one of them. Calling Individualists cultists is like calling cats herd animals.

I am a Trump cheerleader because I have read his works, I know his positions, and that he stands by his positions. His big benefit is that he is true to himself, and is loyal to America in ways that that the moral relativists and decadent powermongers that infest the Beltway cannot comprehend. The fact that he is self-aware of his moral failings and allows friend and family to help him introspect and change makes him like middle Americans, and unrelatable to the halls of power in the Federal government.

The only real change he has made in 40 years is becoming anti-abortion on demand. I know that he is only half-conservative. I can live with that because he is also totally disestablishment -- something that most GOP are not. In fact, I prefer it over a so-called Conservative or a Libertarian who will play footsies with the very machinery that hates the our principles of lawful constitutional governance of Liberty, Equality, and being left let be to enjoy its blessings. Trump understands that, DC doesn't.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Miri Islands wrote:He's the best president we've had in a long time, someone who seems to really get what America is all about and you're suprised when people love him? I'd agree with you if people blindly supported everything he did but it's just not the case. Remember when he did that missile strike in Syria and his base gave him hell for warmongering. He didn't do anything like that again. Bump stock ban? Base was angry with him and he later admitted it was a mistake. He pushed for people to take the vax and he got booed at his own rally. It's clear there isn't a cult of personality there

Technically there is. But it isn't the driving factor, and they make up an insignificant amount. Anyone with 10s of millions of followers will have a few thousand of them, even Trump.

As long as Trump remains true to being Disestablishment, pro-free enterprise, and sticks to dismantling the unconstitutionality of the Beltway, he will have most of middle-America's support. I would like him to become more Liberty minded towards Goldwater and Ron Paul, but I will take him as he is.

Miri Islands, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I think you don't post to much on the general forums. I don't have anything to chill out about: Posted by highway_eighty-eight - As an aside, I didn’t care for the cult of personality around a man - in reference to President Trump and his supporters, yes you are calling us Trump Cultists. I have posted video links on the forums of President Obama supporters, celebrating his election victory, I have posted video links of Obama supporters, Hillary and Bernie Sander supporters cheering them on, and I GMS dont them Obama Cultists, Hillary Cultists, Bernie Sander Cultists and Biden Cultists, I call them supporters, and there is nothing wrong with it. It is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy. I Practice with Pride and Honor.

I agree. Remember when some of them wrote hymns to Obama and had schoolkids sing it in DC shortly after his first Presidency? It was creepy. But that doesn't make Obama supporters in general cultists. If some Trump supporters did that, they would be chastised by the others for violating the the 1st Commandment. (2nd depending on whose counting).

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:The term is an example of the inherent chauvinism of societies, which is so prevalent that languages become gendered, with the masculine given precedence over the feminine. As to your second point, the fact that your ancestors held slaves, and that your society upheld slavery, but doesn’t overtly hold slaves today, is not evidence against internalized, unconscious racism. The effects of racism and slavery continue to place people of color at a disadvantage.

I get your point that individuals can be blinded by the language that they use. By (using logic and reason for introspection and liberality we overcome these things). But the rest of it not so much.

Not having recognized grammatical genders in other languages never stopped people from being male chauvinist sexists, slavers, abusers of others, or any such the like. The confusion by Neo-Marxists is deliberate. It would be laughable if Marxism didn't have a history of being and creating covetous murdering robbers of humanity themselves. To deliberately confuse grammatical categories with real world politics and the politics of personal identity like Marxists do to create their disgruntled proletariat who willing to burn the world to the ground because -- boogie is (not you, by Neo-Marxists) getting pretty tiresome.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Well, that’s what happens when people listen to FBI plants.

I listened to my plants once. "More Water!" "Cat bad!" "Help me!" It was horrible.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:You are correct on the leftist media. Trump DeSantis President and Vice President 2024. But that darn 14th amendment, The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; Would mean Trump would have to make a deal with DeSantis to be his vice, and move to a safe Republican state in time to qualify on the ballot. But I hear Bush and Cheney had the same and similar problem, and it was fixed through a drivers license, not exactly sure how. But Ron DeSantis would have to resign as the reelected Governor of Florida. So I don't think it will happen, unfortunately so. Viva Trump 2016 2020 2024 and Forever.

Trump 2024

DeSantis 2028

Unless the GOP falters then

Libertarian 2028 (if pro-life), if not Constitution Party 2028

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Narland wrote:I get your point that individuals can be blinded by the language that they use. By (using logic and reason for introspection and liberality we overcome these things). But the rest of it not so much.

Not having recognized grammatical genders in other languages never stopped people from being male chauvinist sexists, slavers, abusers of others, or any such the like. The confusion by Neo-Marxists is deliberate. It would be laughable if Marxism didn't have a history of being and creating covetous murdering robbers of humanity themselves. To deliberately confuse grammatical categories with real world politics and the politics of personal identity like Marxists do to create their disgruntled proletariat who willing to burn the world to the ground because -- boogie is (not you, by Neo-Marxists) getting pretty tiresome.

A lot of the stuff I posted was posted mockingly because I was called a leftist by Miami Jai-Alai 3, because he is apparently incapable of wrapping his head around somebody not liking Trump, and being a conservative, libertarian

Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:As I said, President Trump is not guilty of the leftist Democrat charges against him, according to me and us, so we cant criticize him for it, as you leftist Democrats and real leftists as Therm calls them want.

I am most definitely not a Democrat, and if I’m a leftist, we must live in White Russia...

Auxorii

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:A lot of the stuff I posted was posted mockingly because I was called a leftist by Miami Jai-Alai 3, because he is apparently incapable of wrapping his head around somebody not liking Trump, and being a conservative, libertarian

You are a conservative Libertarian? This I have to see. I have to check your post history when I have time. But you are an anti Trump, anti Ron DeSantis, conservative Libertarian. But you make all the comments against Trump, Ron DeSantis and the Republicans, leftist liberal democrats make. So you agree with Trump on certain issues, but you don't like his wonderful personality? Are you a social libertarian? So you are an economic conservative Libertarian? Economic Conservative Libertarians are Conservative Republicans Friends.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:You are a conservative Libertarian? This I have to see. I have to check your post history when I have time. But you are an anti Trump, anti Ron DeSantis, conservative Libertarian. But you make all the comments against Trump, Ron DeSantis and the Republicans, leftist liberal democrats make. So you agree with Trump on certain issues, but don't like his wonderful personality? Are you a social libertarian? So you are an economic conservative Libertarian? Economic Conservative Libertarians are Conservative Republicans Friends.
I never once said anything about DeSantis so you are making many assumptions

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I never once said anything about DeSantis so you are making many assumptions

ok my bad, but please answer the questions. what do you think of Ron DeSantis and his policies? Do you like certain Trump policies, but don't like his wonderful sense of humor and personality? Do you like certain or most Republican policies? Are you a social libertarian? Are you an economic, conservative, libertarian? Economic, conservative, Libertarians, are conservative Republicans Friends. What do you think of the Democrats? What do you think of the Democrats policies? What do you think of Biden and his policies?

The only thing I wish Trump would of done was pardon Assange. Maybe DeSantis will

Narland, Miri Islands

Pardon Snowden

Narland, New Tampa, Miri Islands

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:A lot of the stuff I posted was posted mockingly because I was called a leftist by Miami Jai-Alai 3, because he is apparently incapable of wrapping his head around somebody not liking Trump, and being a conservative, libertarian

I never really recovered from the last TBI. I can read a room or a person when talking face to face okay, but text is hard to sort. Thanks for reaching into wherever my brain goes on the autistic spectrum to explain that.

I can respect that. Trump is a great and greatly flawed man. A good friend dislikes Trump as well. I would have thought that she would have rallied by his side. But she is an intelligent and capable women and no less a libertarian leaning conservative than I.

A blow to one of greatest evils of American history and culture.

Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots

Today in history can be summed up in a simple phrase: hoes mad

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, Highway Eighty-Eight

The insanity of 50 years of taxpayer funded, federally enforced death to unborn babies at the whim of the mother for any reason all the way up to and including leaving the birth canal, ended. And abortion law returned to their respective States. It is a good day.

The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:A lot of the stuff I posted was posted mockingly because I was called a leftist by Miami Jai-Alai 3, because he is apparently incapable of wrapping his head around somebody not liking Trump, and being a conservative, libertarian

I have stated many times, we are what we say we are, not what other persons say we are. ok my bad, you are an economic conservative libertarian, anti Trump. But my criticisms of anti Trump persons, who use the same terms as leftist, liberal, democrat, progressives and real leftists as Therm calls them, fits you too and anti Trump Republicans. but I have stated many times, we are all NS and discord Friends who can chat and RP together despite Trump and our different politics. crazy cuban#1161

Miri Islands wrote:Today in history can be summed up in a simple phrase: hoes mad

Maybe we can begin working to recreate a society of ladies and gentlemen, taking what what’s been good and integrating it into a new vision for the future.

Narland, Miri Islands

Post self-deleted by Miami Jai-Alai 3.

Republican President Ronald Reagan is a Gentleman, they don't make them like President Ronald Reagan anymore.

Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:Republican President Ronald Reagan is a Gentleman, they don't make them like President Ronald Reagan anymore.

Reagan wasn’t that great. He laid much of the foundation for the problems of today, such as his poor record with second amendment rights, his unconstitutional (and sometimes treasonous, in the case of the Iran-Contra affair) use of unaccountable organizations like the CIA, and his support for the war on drugs. The War on Drugs alone has been nothing but a disaster.

Let’s just ignore the role the Fed has played in the actually distribution of narcotics.

Auxorii, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Reagan wasn’t that great. He laid much of the foundation for the problems of today, such as his poor record with second amendment rights, his unconstitutional (and sometimes treasonous, in the case of the Iran-Contra affair) use of unaccountable organizations like the CIA, and his support for the war on drugs. The War on Drugs alone has been nothing but a disaster.

Let’s just ignore the role the Fed has played in the actually distribution of narcotics.

There you go again, anti Trump, anti Reagan and I guess anti Ron DeSantis, I am not surprised or shocked, I expected it. Just like the leftist, liberal, democrat, progressives and real leftists as Therm calls them.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:There you go again, anti Trump, anti Reagan and I guess anti Ron DeSantis, I am not surprised or shocked, I expected it. Just like the leftist, liberal, democrat, progressives and real leftists as Therm calls them.

Dislike of Reagan is not uncommon amongst libertarians. Reagan was far from a libertarian president, and I have some big examples. The CIA and similar organizations have run all over the constitution and our liberties. Reagan was an enabler.

Rateria, New Tampa

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Dislike of Reagan is not uncommon amongst libertarians. Reagan was far from a libertarian president, and I have some big examples. The CIA and similar organizations have run all over the constitution and our liberties. Reagan was an enabler.

The one's running over our constitution and our liberties at the moment, are Biden and the leftist, liberal, democrat, progressive politicians, VIPs and the leftist media.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:I guess anti Ron DeSantis

I was going to respond to your original interrogation, but put it off, forgot, remembered, and decided I didn’t feel like it. I don’t think I ever described myself as anti-Trump (if anyone here has me on the record using that term to describe myself, my apologies). I do not like the former president, and do not consider myself a member of his camp. I am not particularly inclined to worship or idolize individuals, and my general habit is to not attach myself to politicians. In Trump’s case, aside from him policies as president, I do not have any reason to believe he is an honorable or generally honest man in private life, and the distinction between public and private life is completely arbitrary. His eldest sons come across much worse, although I suppose that’s the norm with men who possess wealth and power in the United States.

I would rather attach my name to an honest, but foolish, gentleman than what I see in the former president, but I try to avoid that too. Men should be respected for their history of morality and integrity, honesty, and honor, rather than policy decisions. Policy decisions might be great, but there are many men who can be found supporting particular political positions. Only a few should be trusted, elevated and respected.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:The one's running over our constitution and our liberties at the moment, are Biden and the leftist, liberal, democrat, progressive politicians, VIPs and the leftist media.

Nice dodge. You win.

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:There you go again, anti Trump, anti Reagan and I guess anti Ron DeSantis, I am not surprised or shocked, I expected it. Just like the leftist, liberal, democrat, progressives and real leftists as Therm calls them.

Respond to the points - simply saying he’s “anti this so you must be that” is not enough.

Narland

Auxorii wrote:Respond to the points - simply saying he’s “anti this so you must be that” is not enough.

We have discussed this a few times on the points.

Post self-deleted by Highway Eighty-Eight.

Auxorii wrote:Respond to the points - simply saying he’s “anti this so you must be that” is not enough.

I’m not really very interested. I’m more upset that I forgot to point out that yesterday was the nativity of Saint John the Baptist.

Narland

Yesterday was a great day for life and justice

Narland, Auxorii, Miri Islands, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Conservatives reacting to excess should be careful not to go too far and render themselves ridiculous and hypocritical. I’m speaking about the right of churches to perform gay marriages, and the right of homosexuals to be left alone, and the right of any American to be free to live their lives without the state, or their neighbor, snooping in the bedroom.

Auxorii

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:You are correct on the leftist media. Trump DeSantis President and Vice President 2024. But that darn 14th amendment, The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; Would mean Trump would have to make a deal with DeSantis to be his vice, and move to a safe Republican state in time to qualify on the ballot. But I hear Bush and Cheney had the same and similar problem, and it was fixed through a drivers license, not exactly sure how. But Ron DeSantis would have to resign as the reelected Governor of Florida. So I don't think it will happen, unfortunately so. Viva Trump 2016 2020 2024 and Forever.

DeSantis being vice president is an extreme waste of his talent.

DeSantis 24, plain and simple.

Narland, Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots

New Tampa wrote:DeSantis being vice president is an extreme waste of his talent.

DeSantis 24, plain and simple.

Trump DeSantis 2024 - Ron DeSantis 2028.

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Conservatives reacting to excess should be careful not to go too far and render themselves ridiculous and hypocritical. I’m speaking about the right of churches to perform gay marriages, and the right of homosexuals to be left alone, and the right of any American to be free to live their lives without the state, or their neighbor, snooping in the bedroom.

I don't think there is a constitutional case against gay marriage. It's literally a 14th amendment equal protection case. Gay couples have the same right to marriage as a straight couple. I cannot conceive of any reason aside from religious morality that would ban gay marriage

Auxorii, Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:I don't think there is a constitutional case against gay marriage. It's literally a 14th amendment equal protection case. Gay couples have the same right to marriage as a straight couple. I cannot conceive of any reason aside from religious morality that would ban gay marriage

I think it’s been covered by the first amendment since it was ratified. Church have every right to perform whatever rites or sacraments they so choose, barring any actual violation of rights (and there is no major religious group in the United States pursuing such). While the first amendment might not automatically protect the government recognition of marriage (for tax benefit purposes, which, as an aside, I oppose. The government should not be involved in marriage at all, beyond enforcement of contracts.) these are, as stated, covered elsewhere.

However, there are many conservatives, maybe not a majority, but a sizable percentage, who do wish to end gay marriage or otherwise pass laws or amendments which would restrict the free exercise of religion or access to government benefits (which I mostly disagree with, but if we are going to give benefits, they should be done without discrimination based on religious convictions, and opposition to homosexuality, aside from the most extreme excesses, is almost entirely a religious matter which should be reserved for the churches and voluntary associations.

There is also a good percentage of conservatives (maybe on the smaller end, but enough to be considered sod consequence) who do seek to punish priests and ministers in some way, or keep them from being able to carry out their religious duties, based upon their own religious convictions, within their own denominations, to perform marriages, even without government recognition of those marriages. An anecdote: I am a member of a certain voluntary association. Recently the leaders of a group within this association in another state expelled a member who was a minister or priest in either an Episcopalian or Methodist church (I think I remember right), not for being homosexual, but for performing his religious duty as a cleric within his church, to perform a gay marriage that was acceptable within the bounds of his religious convictions. The irony is that this association prides itself in being a major proponent of, and considers a major foundational tenet to be, religious liberty, and this same association is multireligious in terms of membership. (Another aside: The leadership that expelled this member is, as far as I am aware, entirely Christian)

Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands

I am going to push back on all the Reagan dislike out there a bit. Like Trump, Reagan wasn't perfect. Just to be clear, declaring a war on an amorphous abstract concept is asinine. It keeps the War Powers Act, Emergency War Powers Act, Direct Payroll Taxes, and 80% of the Deep State tolerated under the shadow of Constitutional expediency. Get rid of all wars, like Ron Paul was going to do, and they can be declared unconstitutional. I don't think the Cowboy ever got that.

Part of Reagan Ops like VK, and SE under the War on Drugs were to call the CIA in out of the cold -- mostly and seditiously ignored by the alphabet soup agencies. Reagan got the Marines directly involved in wiping out the rogue CIA cells that were laundering money through drugs and counterfeiting. He didn't realize that the Bush machine was going behind his back regarding foreign policy, and there wasn't much he could do about it once finding out. The records about it should be unsealed in the 2050s. You young'uns keep an eye out for it, if we still have a National Archives by then. A lot of the clusterfrags were tipped off cells by Rhodes-ian foreign policy ideologues, the Military Industrial Complex, the so-called "Rational Administrative State," (better called the Deep State) retaliating against our Marines. One of the first things Bush XLI did when gaining the presidency was drop that directive, and channel the war on drugs against enemies of Occidental, continue to allow Afghanistan to grow opium, instead of going after rogue operatives on the taxpayer dole. This is one of the things directly responsible for the rise of the Reform Party (and Trump).

The Leftists were rewriting the history books in real time (very similarly to Trump even now). Just get a video copy of Reagan's Victory Speech and his Inaugural Address as televised by the mainstream media and listen to the news anchors blatantly contradict Reagan's very own words as they are reinterpreting his speech even as he is still talking. I can damn well understand English enough to know what Reagan is saying is contrary to what those ashbins said he said and did. They (ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, the AP and the UPI continued to that on everything Reagan said, and like Trump maligned his motives. Instead of what Reagan actually said, and the policies he actually tried to implement, what the liars in the media and fake state said that he did ended up in my nephew's history books. Unless we are vigilant the same lies about Trump will go into the books as factual as well.

Reagan relied on the expertise of the people he brought with him to DC to be the Goldwater Administration that never was. The the dominant media, the deep state, Democrats and RHINOs amongst him carried out a frighteningly successful character assassination campaign that picked them off one by one. Their malicious tactics were so successful that it continued on to destroy any Disestablishment voice from gaining a foothold including Bork. Thankfully it started getting old with Thomas, but the lies destroyed his reputation. By the time Trump came they decided to attack the Office of the Presidency and Trump directly, as well as his picks. By Regan's 2nd Presidency, most of us couldn't reach him through the fakery of Establishment goons that had surrounded him.

The Reagan Revolution was stillborn, and most Americans didn't realize it because Rockefeller (Liberal) and Moderate (Moderately Socialists) GOP (who have controlled the Party since WW2) had to regroup (As Neoconservatives and Moderates (again moderately Socialist) and (fake) Conservatives) from the realignment of the Religious Right with the Disestablishment Conservatives, the Pro-Market / Anti-Socialist others, and the almost extinct Radical Republicans (of whom I am one) derailed it. Most Liberty loving Conservatives did not realize how vicious and vindictive the Beltway was back then. And they certainly didn't realize that they hated middle America enough to see its extinction. That was inconceivable.

Reagan went to Washington to get taxes down to 20%, end the Dept of Education, Department of Energy, and 5 other agencies, shut down the CIA, return the FBI to being an investigative agency, call our military home from needless places, make the military lean and capable, etc. The reason he didn't get anywhere at returning us to where we were before the cultural revolution of the 60s, because most Americans assumed the news media and DC was as honest and hardworking as they. If they had known what snakes in the grass they were, I am certain the WW2 generation would have risen up in arms against the Socialist bastards here that they were sent over to Europe to destroy 30 years prior.

Reagan (and his cohorts) were successful at stopping the tide of everincreasing overt Socialism until Obama. That is a 40 year reprieve. Biden is just now continuing the hell they were imposing on us before Reagan interrupted. According to their plan we were supposed to be indistinguishable from the Soviet Union within 20 years (by the year 2000.) -- and they believe (as do I) that they would have succeeded. Congress under Tip O'Neill had planed to continue debasing the currency, regulation businesses to death, forcing every Citizen on some sort of government subsidy, make home schooling illegal, force all schools under the Department of Education, enact a British style health, medicine, and hospital rationing scheme, (just of the top of my head). Instead they ended up having to fight Reagan tooth and nail. The fall of the Soviet Union was utterly devastating to an entire generation (30 years worth) of pro-Marxist overeducrats whom were trying to turn us into them.

Reagan failed because the American people were under the delusion they still had a government of the people, by the people, and for the people in DC. They didn't understand that Academia, Media, and the Political Establishment loved the idea of an American Soviet Union more than they loved a free American people.

I will also defend most of what Uncle Ollie was doing, even the couple of missions that went sidewise. Everyone knew what he was doing, and he was doing it in accordance with international law. It was in the daily papers in France, Italy, and Germany, and the free press coverage gave us the ability to conduct most of these missions -- I know because I was over there reading them (or having them read to me). Congress pretending that what he did was some sort of secret subversion just shows how corrupt and disingenuous some in our Senate was even back then. They were willing to through a good man's life and reputation down the drain in the hopes of making Reagan look bad. One may not like what he was doing, I understand that. But they way they lied and twisted the evidence just to cripple the anti-Socialist factions amongst us inexcusable.

Miri Islands wrote:I don't think there is a constitutional case against gay marriage. It's literally a 14th amendment equal protection case. Gay couples have the same right to marriage as a straight couple. I cannot conceive of any reason aside from religious morality that would ban gay marriage

Beside marriage being specifically described as the union of a man and woman in the monotheistic religions, it is also a natural law argument. Any (actual) man and woman who are capable and willing to devote the rest of their lives and their bodies to each other are married. Their natural function is to satisfy their emotional and sexual needs, compliment (classical definition) each other, and perpetuate the species by providing a safe haven when bearing and raising children in a familial environment with a(n actual) mother and father. Homosexual unions in and of themselves are naturally an evolutionary dead-end regarding the species. (As are celibacy and making oneself a eunuch).

Men and men, or women and women cannot marry by definition. It is like saying a square circle. It would still be a domestic union/partnership, but it is not a natural marriage in the full sense of the term. To allow men-men, women-women marriages is giving special rights outside of the bounds. The problem is how to rectify this. Should homosexuals be given special rights in order to marry, or should they be considered domestic unions with the full recognition of their contractual obligations to each other without unnaturally redefining marriage?

That being said, the state has a vested interest in leaving law abiding people be.

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:Trump DeSantis 2024 - Ron DeSantis 2028.

DeSantis is everything good about Trump, without everything that is bad about Trump.

Dump Don, Choose Ron

Auxorii, New Tampa

Miri Islands wrote:I don't think there is a constitutional case against gay marriage. It's literally a 14th amendment equal protection case. Gay couples have the same right to marriage as a straight couple. I cannot conceive of any reason aside from religious morality that would ban gay marriage

See my opinion is that there's a real simple solution to this, and it's that we've got a couple of choices:

1) Remove the economic and other incentives from marriage altogether, so that the system itself no longer discriminates against couples who either cannot or choose not to be married - What this does is it means anybody can continue to go through the symbolic process of marriage, but it no longer confers any benefits that are off-limits to people who are for one reason or another excluded from marriage.

2) Move the incentives that are currently tied to marriage to the concept of civil union; then, require the government to certify civil unions of any two consenting adults; governments would then be able to, if they so choose, define "marriage" as a civil union between a man and woman with no special distinction otherwise - This allows civil unions to continue to provide benefits for those who choose to go through with them, while maintaining the ability to strictly define "marriage" as requiring one man and one woman without violating equal protection rights for those who want these benefits but are not a pair of one man and one woman.

3) Ditch marriage as a government procedure altogether and have it be a purely religious ceremony, which is like option 1 except in this case the government no longer issues marriage certificates at all.

Because, realistically, a marriage in the United States is little more than a contract that happens to have symbolic importance. Since the main objection to same-sex marriage tends to be based on a concept of marriage wherein it is defined as requiring specifically one man and one woman, and this objection does not necessarily include any objection to the concept of same-sex couples having the same special legal status as opposite-sex couples, the means to address this objection is to either remove the special legal status that comes with marriage (thus removing any particular reason for same-sex couples to seek out a "marriage" for anything other than symbolic reasons), or rename the contract so that any such unions are no longer "marriage". I personally would prefer that no such union confer special legal status on the couple in question, but if we are unwilling to surrender that special status, then we can very easily just call that special status something other than "married" and call the contract that grants that status something other than a "marriage". While the colloquial term used to refer to such unions will in all likelihood remain "marriage", doing this essentially removes any potential to object on the grounds that a marriage must only be one man and one woman, while doing absolutely nothing to obstruct the ability of religious organizations to perform marriages as religious ceremonies according to the specifications of their faith.

As long as it's not called a "marriage", then it shouldn't particularly matter what sorts of couples get these unions - provided, of course, the couple consists of two consenting adults. Constitutionally, by the concept of equal protection, if we're offering special status and benefits to married couples, other couples must be able to get these same benefits and status regardless of the sex of the individuals involved, and if a couple cannot be married on the grounds that they are not an opposite-sex pair, then the exact same benefits that come from being married must be available to them under a different name but with the exact same procedure - go to a clerk, sign a piece of paper, maybe one partner gets a name change, then you're done. That doesn't have to be called marriage, and if we want to continue calling that "marriage" when it's specifically a union of a man and a woman, there's nothing stopping us from doing that either, as long as anyone can get those unions whether it's called a marriage or not.

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

Also, option 2 there is literally what a whole bunch of places already do; there are lots of places where gay couples can get the same privileges that come with being married, but through a contract that's identified as a civil union and not a marriage, so it's really a non-issue since the solution is right there already and we can just expand that to be how it works nationwide.

Narland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:DeSantis is everything good about Trump, without everything that is bad about Trump.

Dump Don, Choose Ron

Hell No. Trump is the original. Trump DeSantis 2024 - Ron DeSantis 2028

Narland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:DeSantis is everything good about Trump, without everything that is bad about Trump.

Dump Don, Choose Ron

Trump 2024 -- Trump has unfinished business in the Beltway.

DeSantis 2028 -- DeSantis will have a much better future if Trump clears the way for him in 2024

Miami Jai-Alai 3

Trump needs to let 2020 go. Yes there was sketchy stuff about the election but focusing on the past does no one any good. Let the Dems keep boring us with January 6th coverage and focus on the real issues: Inflation, crime, weakened foreign standing, etc. I worry that Trump will keep harping about 2020 and that won't lead to a win. I also think there needs to be a challenge to Trump in the primary to get him back to his 2016 self

Auxorii, Miri Islands, Miami Jai-Alai 3

Suzi Island wrote:Trump needs to let 2020 go. Yes there was sketchy stuff about the election but focusing on the past does no one any good. Let the Dems keep boring us with January 6th coverage and focus on the real issues: Inflation, crime, weakened foreign standing, etc. I worry that Trump will keep harping about 2020 and that won't lead to a win. I also think there needs to be a challenge to Trump in the primary to get him back to his 2016 self

Someone please for the love of God make Romney primary trump. A grilling of that magnitude would be so enjoyable to watch

Suzi Island wrote:Trump needs to let 2020 go. Yes there was sketchy stuff about the election but focusing on the past does no one any good. Let the Dems keep boring us with January 6th coverage and focus on the real issues: Inflation, crime, weakened foreign standing, etc. I worry that Trump will keep harping about 2020 and that won't lead to a win. I also think there needs to be a challenge to Trump in the primary to get him back to his 2016 self

We strongly agree. I agree with Lindsey Graham, who advices Trump, that he needs to stop talking about 2020 during the 2024 elections, talk about his record, accomplishments and the bad Biden and Bad Democrat leftist policies, to win the 2024 elections. I hope Trump listens to his advice, it is said they are good friends who golf together. Trump DeSantis 2024 and Ron DeSantis 2028.

Narland

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:Hell No. Trump is the original. Trump DeSantis 2024 - Ron DeSantis 2028

Call me crazy, but why would I choose a 78 year old loose cannon who sometimes chooses to not only shoot his foot, but saw the whole thing off and then hand it on a silver platter to the crocodiles in the mainstream media over a 46 year old former member of congress and current governor who has demonstrated all of the policy goals and fighting spirt of Trump, without the huge draw backs of Trump's personality and moral character?

Auxorii, New Tampa

Miami Jai-Alai 3 wrote:

I cant get telegrams to send. In answer to your question

Reagan had 70 years of Progressive mess to clean up in one administration of 8 years. He did a good job of it considering it was a handful of people standing against the inevitability (in the minds of New Left Academia, Entrenched Media, and Beltway Elite) of a Soviet America by 2000 AD. Most people didn't listen to, or ignored the boasts of the radical Left in that halls of power back then, or perhaps middle-America did not take their claims seriously, regardless it was disconcerting to say the least.

Reagan showed us show us how bad it actually was. At the very least Reagan was the Dutch boy who stuck his finger in the dike until help could arrive, and at most he was one of the 300 who held off the Persian Army at Thermopylae. He was a good stopgap until a Conservative congress in the 1990s could slow the onslaught of the Socialization down even further.

I liked him. He was willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt until they proved otherwise. He was one of that WW2 generation that learned to live life fully and in so doing were larger than life in real time. He wasn't as Libertarian as I would have liked but he was Liberty loving enough, and instrumental in getting our money supply and taxes tamed. He was not establishment and wouldn't play their reindeer games if it could be avoided. Compared to the authoritarians around him, he certainly was for more Liberty than they were willing to concede back to the people.

Miencraft, Miami Jai-Alai 3

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