Post Archive
Region: Libertatem
That government is best which governs not at all.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Nova Gharoukannia
Love the flag, Muh. Anarchyball is one of my favourite pages.
Muh Roads, Rateria, Nova Gharoukannia
So you don't want the government to protect property rights?
Ok commie.
The New United States, Nova Gharoukannia
wut
Nova Gharoukannia
Ummmm.
I can protect my own property thanks.
Nova Gharoukannia
That's what a 7.62 mm is for.
Miencraft, Muh Roads, Nova Gharoukannia
What about little old grannies?
How are you going to deter an army by yourself?
The New United States, Nova Gharoukannia
I'm so happy that you're back, you always have something interesting to say!
Pevvania, The New United States
What about them?
I'm not going too. The US army is just as much as a threat to you now as an army would be under anarchy.
Greetings Libertatem,
I'm so very sorry yesterday didn't work out, so I decided to post my speech as soon as I could today. I am so pleased to finally be able to come here, and take part in this historic event. Sadly, my schedule today has been quite hectic both in my personal life, and in NS. I have tests coming up, elections in process in the CFN, and it's been hard to find the time to be able to speak with you all. I would firstly like to thank President Humpheria for welcoming me and arranging this whole thing. He is a true hard worker and he should be very proud of his accomplishments. It's funny to think how close our regions have become, considering our majority of ideologies. Libertatem. A bastion of conservatives, and libertarians. And the CFN, a sprawling community of Leftists and Liberals. Albeit we do have the odd Conservative here and there. But it is because we are so different that we can achieve harmony together. I look forward to the coming days when alongside my self, some of our region's Cabinet Ministers can come and educate you all about the workings of the CFN. We are a very unique and colossal region, with a Gigantic Law Code, a coveted Constitution, and an ever growing Parliament to serve the needs of our citizens. There is so much I want to share with you people, but alas, not much time today for me to talk with you guys. But, I will try my best to converse with you all, as I want to get to know the real nucleus of this region. You. The citizens. So, with that, I conclude my opening speech and let's raise our glasses and our hopes up, to celebrate this new period in our regions' history. To Democracy! To Libertatem! And to the Commonwealth of Free Nations!
Thanks You.
Kings Island, New Jaslandia, Rateria, Condealism, Nova Gharoukannia
I would further like to add, that some of our Cabinet Ministers will try to make their speeches today, because of the lost time from yesterday.
The debate last night made me very sad last night for a few reasons. First, I hate seeing the fact that that's seriously all the democrats have. I understand that most democrats back either Clinton or maybe Sanders and see running as pointless, but that's just pathetic. Chafee is such a weak candidate. I am seriously fairly certain anybody from this region could have given better debate than he did, from what little I saw. You could see him trembling as he talked, he just looks weak. He looked like he was thinking, "I...is....is it okay if I say this?" It looked so weak. O'Malley did equally as weak, generally looked like he didn't know what he was talking about. And Webb was good, but just a weak candidate with practically no recognition. Sanders definitely won, might I say. But of course if you look at CNN every headline says "Clinton Wins Debate" in some way. Last night was just CNN grooming Clinton for victory. She will win the primaries, I have no doubt. It makes me very sad though. Very very upsetting. Very upsetting to see our next president is pretty much going to be Clinton or Trump, which is really concerning to me. I hate that presidential elections are becoming Celebrity Wars. Rich Jerky White Guy vs Former First Lady. Rich Mormon White Guy vs Black Guy. Oil Baron vs Eco-Nut. It's frustrating.
Perhaps the saddest part was the lack of Joe "Hypeman" Biden. But you know, whatever.
Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria, Nova Gharoukannia, Markotovia In Libertatem
Thanks Rateria. Likewise, I enjoy the perspectives that you add to discussions.
Rateria
Welcome to Libertatem, Commonwealth Delegation! Do enjoy your abbreviated stay.
I'm sure our populace will do well to welcome you. Though it won't be nearly as exciting as the Commonwealth Visit.
Nova Gharoukannia, Markotovia In Libertatem
Chafee looked like the bumbling dad of a 70s family sitcom on that debate stage. And in a party that usually elects candidates more akin to Patrick Bateman than Howard Cunningham, that wasn't going to cut it. O'Malley, despite having a solidly statist record and significant achievements towards undermining the Bill of Rights, came across as cold, yet unnecessarily snappy and unable to communicate the message he was trying to get across. Jim Webb is easily the most sensible candidate in the Democratic primaries, and his gravelly voice and moderate record could have been paired to assertively push a pro-business, more centrist Democratic platform. But he added very little to the debate, and wasted much of his time complaining about, erm, having no time.
The stage was easily dominated by Clinyon and Sanders, whose policies seem to be increasingly converging. Hillary did quite well, and I thought it was wise of her to avoid questions about voting for the War in Iraq. As she pointed out, she had discussed that subject hundreds and hundreds of times already and the issue is no longer as important as it used to be. Meanwhile we had Bernie spouting off statistics that were either out of context, misleading or downright falsified to fuel his violent socialist agenda. He looked slightly more vulnerable, though, in an environment where he was not in control.
Overall the debate seemed like a rather pathetic attempt to skirt around a few points of contention while leaving the inevitable nominee clean of any personal attacks that could hurt her in the general. It was less of a debate and more of the beginning of a coronation, even with Sanders thrown in the mix.
Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes, The New United States, Rateria
I think, "Yeah Anderson, everyone else got a ton of time I just want some time on this side of the stage, you feel me?" accounted for like 90% of what he said
Pevvania, Rateria
Well Trump and Clinton are not necessarily celebrities. Well they are, but both of them are very experienced people. Clinton served as First Lady, a Senator, and as Secretary of State. So, she is a very seasoned public servant and her in the elections isn't necessarily making it a Celebrity Contest. Same with Trump. He's a Real Estate mogul and business owner who yes is a celebrity, but he does have some credentials to be in the race.
I'm not American, but no matter what, I support Sanders. Although Clinton isn't too bad
Terra Gymnos long time no see!
What a juicy contradiction
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/p2Z5s8BKric/hqdefault.jpg
The New United States, Markotovia In Libertatem
I meant to say they are celebrities once the Primaries started, but before they were famous from their public service and businesses
My dear brethren of Libertatem,
It is a profound privilege for me to stand before you today. The bond of our two regions is a connection that has never before been realized with any other region we have come in contact with. The bond we share will not only serve to fortify our security, but facilitate fraternal affections among us. It is through this fraternal bond that we we not only share in a common defense for each other's well being, but ensure our good relations for the future to come. The future of indeed of our great regions rests on a multitude of things. However the one aspect I am most interested in is the legal and judicial dimension of good government. A dimension that your great region as recently come to update and restructure, for the good of your people. In the Commonwealth of Free Nations, our judicial system is both simple and complex. It's a simple system in that the core makeup of it is so fundamental. There are three courts; a magistrate court, a circuit court and the supreme court. Each court deals with a specific crime and therefore has different jurisdictions. For example, our Magistrate Court is the court used for non-criminal offenses, non-criminal offenses being defined in our laws of course. Our Circuit Court deals with all crimes considered criminal. Our Supreme Court acts as our court of appeals for the other two as well as the supreme court on constitutional issues. You, dear brethren, have a similar structure and jurisprudence; only furthering our fraternal bonds as we strive for a better future. Let us work together then, in his aspect of good government, to better of government, to secure our rights and freedoms and most of all, to provide for the common citizen.
Glory to the Commonwealth, and Long Live Libertatem!
The New United States, Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism, The Dark Lieutenant, Markotovia In Libertatem
Post self-deleted by Humpheria.
Additionally, people that need to make offices on the Forum:
Everyone
Teuberland
Is the forum not listed on the WFE, or am I simply missing it?
libertatem.freeforums.net
It isn't its my bad. I will get to it tonight.
Lain Iwakura
Technically "Law Archives" links to the forums but that's not readily apparent.
I don't know what I'm supposed to do!
The Aradites
I suppose something similar to your factbook. I want to back everything up on the forums for preservation.
So I'll just copy and paste what the Judicial Branch page says about the Circuit courts and Miencraftify* it.
Main-KRAE-thih-fie
Made the office
Can I establish the Office of Efficiency and Bureaucracy Reduction? It won't be too complicated.
Kings Island, Lain Iwakura
Oh my god
Yrellian Confederacy, Lain Iwakura
['maɪn.kɹaft.ɪ.faɪ]
USE IPA DAMMIT
Post self-deleted by Miencraft.
1) No
2) You have one syllable too few.
So there's this Vox article focusing on Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton's exchange over capitalism in the debate, written by Ezra Klein, who is a pretty smart guy for a leftist. A part of the article caught my eye:
"Clinton walks in the tradition of her husband and President Obama, both of whom emerge out of a post-Reagan strain of Democratic thinking that sees the private sector as vastly more efficient than the public sector. As Obama wrote in The Audacity of Hope:
'[T]he conservative revolution that Reagan helped usher in gained traction because Reagan's central insight that the liberal welfare state had grown complacent and overly bureaucratic, with Democratic policy makers more obsessed with slicing the economic pie than with growing the pie contained a good deal of truth. Just as too many corporate managers, shielded from competition, had stopped delivering value, too many government bureaucracies had stopped asking whether their shareholders (the American taxpayer) and their consumers (the users of government services) were getting their money's worth. Not every government program worked the way it was advertised. Some functions could be better carried out by the private sector, just as in some cases market-based incentives could achieve the same results as command-and-control-style regulations, at a lower cost and with great flexibility.'"
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/14/9528873/bernie-sander-hillary-clinton-socialist-debate
It goes on to say that Clinton and Obama have favoured public-private partnerships like 'Clintoncare' and Obamacare to more New Deal-ish programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
So this begs the question: is Obama a centre-right 'New' Democrat of the Bill Clinton variety? Or is he an 'old' Democrat more similar to Lyndon Johnson and Franklin Roosevelt?
Republican Congressman Justin Amash, whose office is lined with pictures of Mises, Milton Friedman and Henry Hazlitt and has a 100% libertarian voting record, was instrumental in toppling John Boehner, phasing out NSA bulk data collection and bringing down the Export-Import Bank: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/justin-amash-freedom-caucus-house-republicans-214819
Libertarianism is gaining ground in the Republican Party, with the 40-member House Freedom Caucus effectively having veto power over the next speaker.
The New United States, Republic Of Minerva, Lain Iwakura
If Trump becomes president, we will all die. He might also force Americans like me to get atrocious comb-overs like his.
Pevvania, The New United States
As much as I despise Trump politically, I am a fan of what he has done with his hair. It is a very creative, and dare I say, cool way to cover a bald spot and thinning hair in old age.
#CallMeCrazy
Rateria, Condealism, Teuberland
As much as I hate Trump, there are people running this cycle whom I hate more, and that scares the hell out of me.
Pevvania, Rateria
We've got enough people here, let's take an island, and name it Libertatem.
Condealism, The Aradites, Teuberland
Legislation formalizing the existence of and creating a structure for our Foreign Legion has been authored.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_new_united_states/detail=factbook/id=496911
I request of the Chairman that a vote be held after 24 hours.
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism
False. It has four syllables, as is the same in the word "profundify." Miencraft is two syllables, the short i in the middle is one, and "fy" is the final syllable.
Let us not mistake tea party members for libertarians though, quite a few of the Freedom Caucus members would vote against gay marriage if they could. (coughsalmoncough)
But of course, they could be fantastic for economic gains and some minor gains over data collection and the like.
Humpheria, Teuberland
This bill has my support.
Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, Condealism
I don't care. It's my word, it has as many syllables as I say it does.
And I did notice you do actually have the right amount of syllables, but they're the wrong syllables.
Ok.
We're an Independent Republic with a House, and now we're forming a Legion.
Ring-a-ding, baby.
Pevvania, The New United States
Alright Whiney Mieny
When will Humpybear change his name to Augustus, officially deify Lord Roads and re-establish the Empire?
Muh Roads
So, I have a military organization, like NATO, but with less political ideological influence. If you want to join the International Trade Federation, shoot me a TG and I will be right on it.
Regional Officers are here guys.
The New United States, Rateria, Lain Iwakura
I like this, but we should outline parameters for recruitment into the foreign legion as well, such as where they are allowed to be recruited from, or what criteria makes for a "good" recruit and what criteria shall deny someone entry into the foreign legion, if any. Maybe this is up to the Foreign LAF Commander, or not. I think that belongs in the bill.
The New United States, Rateria
I thought about that, but I figure that it would be best to leave the specifics of the vetting process at the discretion of the Manager of War, rather than legislated.
However, I'm glad you bring that up, because we probably should make sure that all recruits are approved for service by the War Manager, so that it's not a bunch of random people we've never met, recruited by the Commander.
It is done.
The New United States
Good. Do you think the criteria should be set in the bill, or shall the bill establish the War Manager shall set the criteria? Probably the latter, would be easier. That's honestly all I see wrong with the bill. Looks good otherwise Broseph
The New United States
Hmm... I'm thinking that it would probably be best to go with the latter. Not only would it be easier, but, more importantly, when it comes to assessing potential Legionnaires, I have full faith that the judgement of our military leaders is infinitely more effective than mandated guidelines and regulations.
With that said, it is vital that all potential Legionnaires are, in fact, assessed by the Department of Military Affairs. I'm going to go ahead and edit the Act to make sure that all potential recruits are vetted by the Manager of War.
Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes, Rateria
Section III
.....
[B]Subsection IX
All potential Legionnaires must be assessed for suitability and cleared of a security check before they may be inducted into the Foreign Legion
Subsection X
Suitability assessments and security checks must be conducted by the Manager of War, and the fashion in which they are conducted shall be left to the discretion of the Manager of War[/B]
Rateria
You can't solve problems with bureaucracy. Only action.
Bleh, I need to do something with Miencraft and Minovdigon.
Any ideas? Could incorporate them into some RP on our forums...
The prophecy is coming true.
The New United States
Neoliberalism? Classical Liberalism? Libertarianism? What do these words mean, and what are the differences explained:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=498633
Here is a link.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=baxten/detail=factbook/id=458112
PS: This is a military RP alliance.
As soon as the official language is changed to American.
Omg suppression
Tyranny detected
Muh Roads
I know i can supress whatever comment i want
I really wish they'd kept that as part of border control.
From the Facebook Page 'Bernie Sanders Exposed':
During the 1990s, the not-so independent Congressman Sanders voted for and/or otherwise supported:
* Economic sanctions that killed more than a million Iraqi civilians
* Every U.S. bombing of Iraq from 1992 on
* The sending of U.S. military units to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to threaten Iraq because we cannot tolerate aggression
* The objectively racist and mass-incarcerationist Federal Crime bill.
* Every US intervention since elected to CongressIraq, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Liberia, Zaire (Congo), Albania, Sudan, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia.
More from Bernie's voting record...
Voted YES on Congressional pay raise. (Jul 2009)
Voted YES on instituting National Service (forced government service) as a new social invention. (Mar 2009)
Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
Voted NO on allowing tribal Indians to opt out of federal healthcare. (Feb 2008)
Voted YES on authorizing states to collect Internet sales taxes. (May 2013)
Voted YES on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)
Impose sanctions and an import ban on Burma. (Oct 2007)
Voted NO on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on eliminating the Estate Tax ("death tax"). (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on banning Internet gambling by credit card. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on keeping Cuba travel ban. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on regulating tobacco as a drug. (Jun 2009)
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on $192 Billion additional "anti-recession" stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Voted YES on additional $825 Billion for economic "recovery" package. (Feb 2009)
Voted NO on protecting middle-income taxpayers from a national energy tax. (Apr 2009)
Voted NO on prohibiting eminent domain for use as parks or grazing land. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
The New United States, Right-Winged Nation, Muh Roads
Bernie Sanders:
pro-socialism
anti-constitution
pro-war
pro-police state
What's not to like?
Miencraft, The New United States, Right-Winged Nation, Rateria, Lain Iwakura
#triggered
Teuberland
It also says i can ban and eject people too, mwhaaaaaaaaaa
We don't have an official language. We just speak English/American in the alliance
"The official language of West Trade is French."
What is West Trade, if not an alternate name for the International Trade Federation?
Given the fact that this was said in the ITF's factbook, and that there's nothing within the context to indicate the that West Trade is a distinct entity, I presumed that "West Trade" was synonymous with "International Trade Federation."
It used to be called the "Western Trade Federation" But people wanted changes as the abbreviation was WTF, so we changed it.
The New United States, Rateria
As suppression is against regional statute and you did it, I will be taking away your Communications power. It is built into the power that we intend to use for mass communication, not mass oppression. You will continue to hold your other powers, just not that one.
Everyone else that has communication, be warned. It is difficult to maintain liberties in this ever growing mechanically authoritarian website so we have to take extreme measures to do so.
Miencraft, The New United States
Ladies and gentlemen, the man who invented Libertatem's private court.
;)
Wait did i supress a comment, whoops lol sorry
2 hours ago: The Dark Side of Right-winged nation suppressed a post on the regional message board.
Teuberland
Oh yeah I meant to hit quote and hit surpress, then had to go unsurpress. Sorry to whoever was surpressed
Teuberland
I didn't write the amendment bro, I translated it into the format and tweaked vocabulary.
Also, the transcript is made public record after the trial. It just happens (with like ten people present) away from public eye so public opinions don't sway judges in their opinion of the law.
I'm just giving you a hard time. ;)
In defense of Right-Wing, it's very easy to accidentally suppress a post on the RMB. I've slipped up with that mechanic more than a few times.
Miencraft, Right-Winged Nation, Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism
Seconded.
Right-Winged Nation, Condealism
Good Guy Jim Webb:
"We cannot tax ourselves into prosperity. It is possible to simplify the tax code, including reducing the corporate tax rate... and to examine shifting our tax policies away from income and more toward consumption. We did not even have a federal income tax in this country until 1913. The loopholes and exceptions that have evolved have made a mockery out of true economic fairness. I would never support raising taxes on ordinary earned income, whether it goes to a school teacher or a nurse or a doctor or a film star. But we need to find a better way."
DO NOT OCCUPY TERRITORY. The terrorist armies make no claim to be members of any nation-state. Similarly, it would be militarily and politically dangerous for our military to operate from permanent or semi-permanent bases, or to declare that we are defending specific pieces of terrain in the regions where the terrorist armies live and train. We already have terrain to defend the United States and our outposts overseas and we cannot afford to expand this territory in a manner that would simply give the enemy more targets.
"The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Millions of our citizens are either in prison or under the supervision of the criminal justice system. When one applies for a job, the stigma of having been in prison is like a tattoo on your forehead. In many cases, prison life itself creates scars and impediments that can only be remediated through structured re-entry programs. Millions of Americans are now in this situation, many of them non-violent offenders who went to prison due to drug use. To those who wonder whether we can or should put such programs into place, my answer is this: Do you want these former offenders back on the street coming after your money or your life, or do you want them in a job, making money and having a life?"
"Finally, lets find a way to return to good governance. It will take time, but it is possible to rebalance the relationship between the executive and legislative branches, and to carefully manage the federal government, which is surely the most complex bureaucracy in the world. The federal bureaucracy is huge and Byzantine. I have seen many people come to public service from highly successful careers in the business world, only to be devoured and humiliated by the demands of moving policy through the bureaucracy and then the Congress."
What a grand shame that the only straight-talking, intelligent Democrat in the race has about as much chance of winning the nomination as a Japanese bullfrog.
Right-Winged Nation, Rateria
Quick opinion time!
http://imgur.com/a/dOTE2
Top flag is 62, bottom flag is 76.
Which do y'all think is just generally better-looking?
I'm kinda liking 76, it's simpler and cleaner but I don't think it looks quite as special and Miencrafty as 62. And of course 62 looks more Miencrafty because it's basically the Miencraftic flag by now.
76
62
You wanna fight?
Thirded. You know full well that established officials like RWN wouldn't engage in despotism on purpose, Mr. President.
Right-Winged Nation
Just setting a precedent.
RWN, you have been granted reprieve by public support. Get me that report on Monday.
👍👍👍👍
So.... uhhh, when we gonna get that FMT started up?
Interesting trivia:
Those are actually the 62nd and 76th flags I made.
Flag 1 dates back to 2011. Good times.
I challenge you to fisticuffs, puttem' up sir
Oh you know what I totally forgot it's been a day already.
Board knows what to do, I guess.
We gon be doin' the votin'.
With it's additions, RAFFLE has my support. I vote in favor of it
Seconded
Before your embassy closes in 60 minutes, could I get an official statement on the decision to sever the alliance? Thanks.
You are a liability.
Pevvania
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