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Pevvania wrote:

I think it's just a crap excuse to get out of something one shouldn't have gotten themselves into in the first place.

Now, if it was rape or something, there's stuff to deal with that, but if it's just some dumb girl who ends up getting pregnant because neither of them thought protection was a good idea, tough. Should have thought about that before having sex.

Speaking of rape, male rape is a serious issue that's growing across America: http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/hard-truth-girl-guy-rape/

Pevvania wrote:

I've shadowed attorneys in Juvenal and family courts and witnessed lives be destroyed by vengeful partners. Child support is one of the most dangerous aspects of the legal system today.

Fontes Iuris Germanici Antiqu wrote:To be honest the people of UCR don't seem to pleasant or kind.

They are xenophobic because nobody likes them. The UCR has established a pretty centralized foreign policy. They only ally themselves with hardline communists.

Pevvania wrote:

Well. If the father left the kid.......... then...........yeah. He needs to pay support.

Albenia wrote:Well. If the father left the kid.......... then...........yeah. He needs to pay support.

Well if the mother was irresponsible enough to hook up with someone who was committed to a relationship then she needs to deal with the consequences. The state has no business in their social life. It is only padding poor life choices through wealth distribution.

Anyone want to join NSG senate and join my party?:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=299504&sid=c1f89c25f488730bbc925c2e5249feb9

Lack There Of wrote:Well if the mother was irresponsible enough to hook up with someone who was committed to a relationship then she needs to deal with the consequences. The state has no business in their social life. It is only padding poor life choices through wealth distribution.

So you hurt the kid because of the mom?

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Anyone want to join NSG senate and join my party?:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=299504&sid=c1f89c25f488730bbc925c2e5249feb9

I saw your party.

Can't say u quite liked it myself. However since I'm RPing a Social Democratic Conservative as my Senator it halfway fit him.

Albenia wrote:I saw your party.

Can't say u quite liked it myself. However since I'm RPing a Social Democratic Conservative as my Senator it halfway fit him.

*I

Albenia wrote:So you hurt the kid because of the mom?

Mum should'a thought about the consequences of having sex before she was ready for pregnancy.

Me and Pev have been discussing the creation of a new flag to replace the current one. We are thinking some variation of this might work:

http://i.imgur.com/JGXPp.jpg

Of course this is only an idea.

Shermaniya wrote:Me and Pev have been discussing the creation of a new flag to replace the current one. We are thinking some variation of this might work:

http://i.imgur.com/JGXPp.jpg

Of course this is only an idea.

Jesus, Pev, why not go to 'Tatem's resident flag-crafter?

I'm offended.

[/sarcasm]

Seriously, though, if we're making a new flag, I want in.

Miencraft wrote:Mum should'a thought about the consequences of having sex before she was ready for pregnancy.

Don't punish the kid gor his mom's mistake. It's bull.

Shermaniya wrote:Me and Pev have been discussing the creation of a new flag to replace the current one. We are thinking some variation of this might work:

http://i.imgur.com/JGXPp.jpg

Of course this is only an idea.

Mix of Confederate flag and Anarcho-Capitalist flag

...Looks good.

Albenia wrote:Don't punish the kid gor his mom's mistake. It's bull.

So, instead of punishing the mother for her own stupid mistake, we should punish the father because he's the one with the penis?

That makes so much more sense.

Also, I totally didn't say that just because I wanted to put "penis" on the RMB.

Miencraft wrote:Also, I totally didn't say that just because I wanted to put "penis" on the RMB.

You did didn't you?

Miencraft wrote:So, instead of punishing the mother for her own stupid mistake, we should punish the father because he's the one with the penis?

That makes so much more sense.

Yes. He deserves Castration.

No. Not really. In a legal case though if he leaves behind his family due to something he caused he should pay the support.

Albenia wrote:You did didn't you?

Yes. He deserves Castration.

No. Not really. In a legal case though if he leaves behind his family due to something he caused he should pay the support.

- Yes, actually, I was waiting for an opportunity to say it in-context, and here we go.

- Uh, what? You seem to be implying that pregnancy is a centrifugal force with families.

Speaking of flags...

How's my new flag look (at least relative to my previous one)?

Shermaniya wrote:Me and Pev have been discussing the creation of a new flag to replace the current one. We are thinking some variation of this might work:

http://i.imgur.com/JGXPp.jpg

Of course this is only an idea.

I'm sorry, Sherm, I think I've misunderstood you. I thought you were asking for help on replacing your own flag.

The Founder would only support a new flag if it contained some element of anti-communism.

Pevvania wrote:

The Founder would only support a new flag if it contained some element of anti-communism.

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*I physically want yo stab my eyes out now*

Pevvania wrote:I'm sorry, Sherm, I think I've misunderstood you. I thought you were asking for help on replacing your own flag.

The Founder would only support a new flag if it contained some element of anti-communism.

I like it. Didn't NST have a flag like that?

Pevvania wrote:I'm sorry, Sherm, I think I've misunderstood you. I thought you were asking for help on replacing your own flag.

The Founder would only support a new flag if it contained some element of anti-communism.

Why? Anti-Communism sounds kind of fascist. Don't you mean Anti-Totalitarianism or Anti-authoritarianism?

Shermaniya wrote:Why? Anti-Communism sounds kind of fascist. Don't you mean Anti-Totalitarianism or Anti-authoritarianism?

No. It was founded to be against Communism.

It's about tradition

Albenia wrote:No. It was founded to be against Communism.

I believe you are referring to Socialism (Marxist-Leninism).

Shermaniya wrote:I believe you are referring to Socialism (Marxist-Leninism).

No , he was referring to communism

Shermaniya wrote:I believe you are referring to Socialism (Marxist-Leninism).

Our founding principle is the War on Communism, worded as such.

Lack There Of wrote:No , he was referring to communism

You are absolutely positive?

Definition of Communism:

A socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of classes, money, and the state; as well as a social, political and economic ideology and movement that aims to establish this social order.

The Soviet Union was Socialist. The only communist places were the communities after the French Revolution and Jamestown in it's early days.

This means that you are not against authoritarian socialism.

Shermaniya wrote:I believe you are referring to Socialism (Marxist-Leninism).

Marxism-Leninism is Communism.

Miencraft wrote:Our founding principle is the War on Communism, worded as such.

As much as I hate it this is true.

Shermaniya wrote:You are absolutely positive?

Definition of Communism:

A socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of classes, money, and the state; as well as a social, political and economic ideology and movement that aims to establish this social order.

The Soviet Union was Socialist. The only communist places were the communities after the French Revolution and Jamestown in it's early days.

This means that you are not against authoritarian socialism.

THANK YOU!

You can't twist the definition of Communism to fit the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was State Socialist.

Albenia wrote:You can't twist the definition of Communism to fit the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was State Socialist.

That's why I called it Socialist...

Shermaniya wrote:That's why I called it Socialist...

Talking to the others.

When I say the war on communism I mean the war on communism. I don't care the variety or classification. Collectivism is a disease of multiple variants, but reason is the only cure. Feel free to "school" us on the various schools of leftist thought, but be aware none of us are ignorant commie haters. We've all come independent understandings that communism has given birth to one of the most dangerous ideologies to haunt the globe.

Lack There Of wrote:When I say the war on communism I mean the war on communism. I don't care the variety or classification. Collectivism is a disease of multiple variants, but reason is the only cure. Feel free to "school" us on the various schools of leftist thought, but be aware none of us are ignorant commie haters. We've all come independent understandings that communism has given birth to one of the most dangerous ideologies to haunt the globe.

Your "War's" purpose is baseless either way.

I ran for the board (successfully) on an anti war platform you ignorant plebeian, I was just hoping to give you some context to our region's long history and honored traditions.

Lack There Of wrote:I ran for the board (successfully) on an anti war platform you ignorant plebeian, I was just hoping to give you some context to our region's long history and honored traditions.

I'm not going to convince you otherwise, so I will just end the argument here.

Convince me of what exactly?

Lack There Of wrote:Convince me of what exactly?

The definition of communism.

Lets change the topic. What is everyone's opinion on PMC's? Do you think they will eventually replace national militaries?

Alot of things have different definitions. Communism is one example of a word with many definitions.

O and I support a new flag. Doesn't our region mean more then just being against communism. Half the regions in ns are against communism. We need a flag that represents Libertatem not just one of our many beliefs.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Alot of things have different definitions. Communism is one example of a word with many definitions.

O and I support a new flag. Doesn't our region mean more then just being against communism. Half the regions in ns are against communism. We need a flag that represents Libertatem not just one of our many beliefs.

Libertatem IS anti communism. Take it out of the constitution if you want to change that.

Alot of regions are anti communism. That does not mean they wave a flag describing only that belief.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Alot of regions are anti communism. That does not mean they wave a flag describing only that belief.

The region was founded solely for waging war on communism (i.e. The popular term for collectivism). It been the flag for two years.

It would be like if the csa had a flag showing only a slave in chains. Sure they believed in slavery but that does not mean they have to wave it in their flag.

Liberosia wrote:The region was founded solely for waging war on communism (i.e. The popular term for collectivism). It been the flag for two years.

So basically this region will have no purpose if communism is ever gone from nation states

The Amarican Empire wrote:So basically this region will have no purpose if communism is ever gone from nation states

It will have to be constitutionally changed. Or it can be right now. But until you take it out of the constitution, the anti hammer and sickle WILL stay in some form.

Ok, so flag makers you just have to have a anti communist sign on your flag. You can make it as small as you like (nano size) andlib will be happy.

Listen man, I hate how the war is being fought, but the flag is our history. This is a big deal we're talking about.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Ok, so flag makers you just have to have a anti communist sign on your flag. You can make it as small as you like (nano size) andlib will be happy.

You are awarded most hilarious person on the Board. Congratulations.

Liberosia wrote:The region was founded solely for waging war on communism (i.e. The popular term for collectivism). It been the flag for two years.

But it has evolved into much more than that at this point.

Shermaniya wrote:But it has evolved into much more than that at this point.

Then seek an amendment, or try away your elected officials (good luck), but to just change history and tradition isn't going to fly.

Shermaniya wrote:But it has evolved into much more than that at this point.

How long have you been in Libertatem?

Liberosia wrote:How long have you been in Libertatem?

Good point

Can we all take a moment to examine and stare in awe at Pevv's flag?

I find it painfully accurate

Good morning all. Anyone else have an awful night's sleep?

Liberosia wrote:Can we all take a moment to examine and stare in awe at Pevv's flag?

Lack There Of wrote:I find it painfully accurate

It's a Pevvania Original, so thank you.

Take anti-communism out of the constitution? No thanks. Move along :P

I'm going to return to sending out daily recruitment messages. The talent pool has shrunken (or failed to expand), so it's important that we gain more nations dedicated to the region.

I can't help but feel I was supposed to be doing something.

The new REAGAN Treaty has been ratified by Libertatem.

Miencraft wrote:I can't help but feel I was supposed to be doing something.

Making me french toast.

And damn it.

Anarchism is beginning to sound Appealing to me...

Muh Roads wrote:Take anti-communism out of the constitution? No thanks. Move along :P

Awwwww..

You guys. You Commie lovers please.....don't make my mistake just put up a dang amendment. I will help you write it if you need. Just amend the constitution please.

Muh Roads wrote:Making me french toast.

Ah, yeah, that sounds about right.

Albenia wrote:Awwwww..

You guys. You Commie lovers please.....don't make my mistake just put up a dang amendment. I will help you write it if you need. Just amend the constitution please.

Miencraft wrote:Our founding principle is the War on Communism

Also works in reverse, by the way.

I feel like I've been too inactive lately.

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So this is the true Basis of Anarchy.

>Anti-State Rule

>Anti-Capital Rule (capitalism)

>Anti-Religious Rule

.....Nope...

Anarcho-leftism is a paradoxical concept.

Albenia wrote:Awwwww..

You guys. You Commie lovers please.....don't make my mistake just put up a dang amendment. I will help you write it if you need. Just amend the constitution please.

*tongue click* or nah

Humpheria wrote:I feel like I've been too inactive lately.

Me too

Albenia wrote:So this is the true Basis of Anarchy.

>Anti-State Rule

>Anti-Capital Rule (capitalism)

>Anti-Religious Rule

.....Nope...

Or you could say, no government. That's all. Why do you have to overanalyze every single political philosophy?

Pevvania wrote:Anarcho-leftism is a paradoxical concept.

Is it?

If Anarchy is truly against all forms of Hierarchy including Capitalism. Isn't the biggest Oxymoron then Anarcho-Capitalism?

Would anarchy in as such be able to fit on the Economic Spectrum? Or would it in thus be a Third Way type of Economy?

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:

Or you could say, no government. That's all. Why do you have to overanalyze every single political philosophy?

Because if you don't over-Analyze it then your going to end up believing something is good when it is truly bad.

Albenia wrote:Is it?

If Anarchy is truly against all forms of Hierarchy including Capitalism. Isn't the biggest Oxymoron then Anarcho-Capitalism?

Would anarchy in as such be able to fit on the Economic Spectrum? Or would it in thus be a Third Way type of Economy?

Because if you don't over-Analyze it then your going to end up believing something is good when it is truly bad.

Capitalism is not hierarchical. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41838752/Pictures/Hierarchy.png

Pevvania wrote:Capitalism is not hierarchical. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41838752/Pictures/Hierarchy.png

Here.

"The term anarchy comes from the Greek, and essentially means 'no ruler.' Anarchists are people who reject all forms of government or coercive authority, all forms of hierarchy and domination. They are therefore opposed to what the Mexican anarchist Flores Magon called the 'sombre trinity' -- state, capital and the church. Anarchists are thus opposed to both capitalism and to the state, as well as to all forms of religious authority. But anarchists also seek to establish or bring about by varying means, a condition of anarchy, that is, a decentralized society without coercive institutions, a society organized through a federation of voluntary associations." ["Anthropology and Anarchism," pp. 35-41, Anarchy: A Journal of Desire Armed, no. 45, p. 38]

Albenia wrote:Because if you don't over-Analyze it then your going to end up believing something is good when it is truly bad.

That doesn't even make sense. Nobody cares about the ultra specific definitions you insist on giving, and if anyone dares to say something a little different, you must instantly say why they are wrong and you are right. It's annoying and nobody likes that.

I think we need more people to endorse pev.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:That doesn't even make sense. Nobody cares about the ultra specific definitions you insist on giving, and if anyone dares to say something a little different, you must instantly say why they are wrong and you are right. It's annoying and nobody likes that.

Seconded.

Shermaniya wrote:I think we need more people to endorse pev.

A lot of people can't.

Albenia wrote:You can't twist the definition of Communism to fit the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was State Socialist.

Albenia wrote:Marxism-Leninism is Communism

Some perfect examples of your need for arbitrary ultra specific definitions. I'm surprised Lack didn't loose it

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Some perfect examples of your need for arbitrary ultra specific definitions. I'm surprised Lack didn't loose it

Well I mean. I cant help that you feel the need to twist definitions to make a type of government completely different..

Capitalism is not hierarchical.

1. You choose where you work and how you work, so you could become employed either by yourself or another person.

2. Your boss has no power over you at all outside the workplace.

3. You chose to submit to their authority.

4. Contracts limit what employers can and cannot do.

5. The market is the ultimate boss, and determines the very existence of companies.

6. It is a circular relationship. There is no hierarchy in capitalism.

Follow the damn link. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41838752/Pictures/Hierarchy.png

Individual America wrote:Hello, new neighbors!

Welcome!

Pevvania wrote:Capitalism is not hierarchical.

1. You choose where you work and how you work, so you could become employed either by yourself or another person.

2. Your boss has no power over you at all outside the workplace.

3. You chose to submit to their authority.

4. Contracts limit what employers can and cannot do.

5. The market is the ultimate boss, and determines the very existence of companies.

6. It is a circular relationship. There is no hierarchy in capitalism.

Follow the damn link. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41838752/Pictures/Hierarchy.png

Okay I see.

Albenia wrote:Well I mean. I cant help that you feel the need to twist definitions to make a type of government completely different..

And I can't help it that you probably just go by the Wikipedia definition of every philosophy and have cemented that into your life, or rather, your bookmarks bar. And whenever someone doesn't line up exactly with your little set definitions, you just go crazy because that's not what Wikipedia says.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:And I can't help it that you probably just go by the Wikipedia definition of every philosophy and have cemented that into your life, or rather, your bookmarks bar. And whenever someone doesn't line up exactly with your little set definitions, you just go crazy because that's not what Wikipedia says.

My bookmarks bar....That reminds me...I need to favorite Sh*t instead of putting it there.

No I don't as for anarchism I have been reading this little site: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html

And Pev please read this in as such depicting how Anarchy is against Capitalism as much as they are against Government.: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secFcon.html

Albenia wrote:My bookmarks bar....That reminds me...I need to favorite Sh*t instead of putting it there.

No I don't as for anarchism I have been reading this little site: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html

And Pev please read this in as such depicting how Anarchy is against Capitalism as much as they are against Government.: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secFcon.html

The main argument here is "anarcho-capitalism isn't anarchism because it doesn't let me murder people and take their stuff". There are rules under anarchy as there is science in the jungle.

Pevvania wrote:The main argument here is "anarcho-capitalism isn't anarchism because it doesn't let me murder people and take their stuff". There are rules under anarchy as there is science in the jungle.

and this is where you are wrong. Let me direct you to the What anarchy is: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secAcon.html

A Truly Anarchic System isn't a "Murder and take stuff" System like I used to think it was. It is much better then that as it is for Human Equality by way of No Rulers. No Government doesn't mean no laws.

Albenia wrote:and this is where you are wrong. Let me direct you to the What anarchy is: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secAcon.html

A Truly Anarchic System isn't a "Murder and take stuff" System like I used to think it was. It is much better then that as it is for Human Equality by way of No Rulers. No Government doesn't mean no laws.

The problem with this concept is that there is a ruler - the majority. Replacing a government dictated by majority rule with just plain majority rule isn't much of a change. Under anarcho-capitalism, every man owns himself. He can do whatever he wants as long as he does not infringe on the rights of others. But under "anarchy", everyone is mutually chained by everyone else.

Pevvania wrote:The problem with this concept is that there is a ruler - the majority. Replacing a government dictated by majority rule with just plain majority rule isn't much of a change. Under anarcho-capitalism, every man owns himself. He can do whatever he wants as long as he does not infringe on the rights of others. But under "anarchy", everyone is mutually chained by everyone else.

I guess you are correct. Anarchy in it's normal form would be a "Tyranny by Majority" form of Government. But that doesn't mean people are Mutually chained by everyone else. It means the people directly have to decide for themselves on laws. People then decide whether someone has committed a crime by themselves. It's a true People's government.

How in such would Anarcho-Capitalism be any different though. It'd be the same situation but with a Capitalistic Principle added in (Which might be worse as the people with the Money could then oppress the Majority)

What do you guys think about Belarus and it's "Lite Communist" government?

Shermaniya wrote:What do you guys think about Belarus and it's "Lite Communist" government?

Eastern Europe.....Name a system of Government there that is good in anyway?

Albenia wrote:I guess you are correct. Anarchy in it's normal form would be a "Tyranny by Majority" form of Government. But that doesn't mean people are Mutually chained by everyone else. It means the people directly have to decide for themselves on laws. People then decide whether someone has committed a crime by themselves. It's a true People's government.

How in such would Anarcho-Capitalism be any different though. It'd be the same situation but with a Capitalistic Principle added in (Which might be worse as the people with the Money could then oppress the Majority)

That principle would be applied so that individuals could defend their property.

Albenia wrote:Eastern Europe.....Name a system of Government there that is good in anyway?

The Polish model.

Albenia wrote:Eastern Europe.....Name a system of Government there that is good in anyway?

Poland and the Baltic States, but i'm referring to Belarus.

Can this be our regional anthem

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE&feature=kp

Lack There Of wrote:Can this be our regional anthem

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE&feature=kp

Featuring the fact that it has nothing to do with government or politics at all, I don't think so.

Pevvania wrote:That principle would be applied so that individuals could defend their property.

Well I see what your saying.

Private Property over true Anarchy. Which I slightly agree with. However. While the system is defined that way would it stay that way? What stops Anarcho-Capitalism to become a corporate run 'Majority Rule?" It would have the chance to become a corporate run state.

I think Semi-Presidential Republics with a President, Prime Minister and Council of Ministers works best.

The black riders got the vodka distillery.. lol

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