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Republic Of Minerva wrote:lolrationalwiki

I read something on there once. It was about Cultural Marxism, and the article had a weird, rambling argument.

Pevvania

Republic Of Minerva wrote:lolrationalwiki

"Rational" "Wiki"

That is such an insufferable website. I once edited their article on the New Deal and replaced it with a 2000 word essay on why it was such a failure. Full of empirical evidence and statistical data, along with mea culpas from FDR's own cabinet officials. They reversed my edit, though, because I hadn't run it through the article discussion first, and when pressed further they said I was trying to "push an agenda". Sad!

Rateria wrote:I read something on there once. It was about Cultural Marxism, and the article had a weird, rambling argument.

I too have read that article. It just harps on about neo-Nazis and conspiracy theories. No intellectual value in it whatsoever.

Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Condealism

What are our thoughts on the whole Bill O'Reilly fiasco?

Condealism wrote:The "=" things you mentioned are just the lies they tell their supporters. Very obvious lies at that - especially Hillary's. Her militarism and dealings with corporations are well-documented at this point.

Really?

Ok, take a look at what trump has actually done and tried to do. See how many of the equal signs are in fact equal.

Pevvania wrote:What are our thoughts on the whole Bill O'Reilly fiasco?

I find it hard to believe. I worked with Bill from time to time over the years and if even a one of the allegations are true, he is the best actor to ever walk the face of the earth.

I do know that everyone, even a little controversial is subject to this kind of accusation. This is especially true for those with a lot of money and who do not stand on their tongue for anyone, let alone the politically correct thought police.

But I was not there. I didn't hear or see anything first hand. So I really cannot know one way or the other.

Pevvania

If anyone is curious, I support Fillon in the election today, but if La Pen wins, I will not be dissatisfied.

Pevvania, Narland

Pevvania wrote:Genuine question here, folks: why are so many of the wealthy American elite liberals? I have these friends who live in a super nice suburb of San Diego and have a massive house worth over $5 million because their grandfather made a lot of money in commodities trading. The father is friends with the LA Lakers, the guitarist from Blink-182 - the point is they do very well. But the parents and the eldest son all voted for Hillary.

Is all this the result of virtue signalling? The appeal of corporatism? I really don't know.

weed and hippie brainwashing. "it's cool to love your nature and like, your neighbor, man. unless like, they assume your gender"

Pevvania, Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria

The Ambassador To The Clfr wrote:Really?

Ok, take a look at what trump has actually done and tried to do. See how many of the equal signs are in fact equal.

I find it hard to believe. I worked with Bill from time to time over the years and if even a one of the allegations are true, he is the best actor to ever walk the face of the earth.

I do know that everyone, even a little controversial is subject to this kind of accusation. This is especially true for those with a lot of money and who do not stand on their tongue for anyone, let alone the politically correct thought police.

But I was not there. I didn't hear or see anything first hand. So I really cannot know one way or the other.

You work in broadcasting? That is so cool!

Personally, I am a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty (I once debated a rape survivor about the presumption of innocence, which certainly was interesting), and loathe the trial-by-media culture that has arisen in modern times. And these allegations against O'Reilly are, as far as we know, just allegations. But I suppose Fox would not have fired their most profitable anchor for no reason, so there must have been some basis to the claims being made. Or maybe they just let him go because all the advertisers were pulling out. Who knows?

Narland, The Ambassador To The Clfr, Condealism

Is anyone else disgusted by the conduct of Berkeley and its students towards conservative and libertarian speakers? It's frankly un-American. And to think that my ex-fiancee is a student there. Terrible!

Narland, Condealism, Fairbankska

political compass describes Macron as a libertarian. lol?

Pevvania

Post self-deleted by Fairbankska.

Post self-deleted by Fairbankska.

His plans do involve reductions in state spending, he's more libertarian-leaning than pretty much anyone else on the French left and most on the French far-right. He definitely is in no way an ideological libertarian though. He's the French equivalent of a Jerry Brown Democrat; socially very liberal, economically moderate. I'd put him a little lower socially, and around the center economically.

They also are vastly understating Melenchon's authoritarianism, he's a Chavez fan and openly wants to rewrite the French Constitution into a system of absolute majority rule.

I'd put Hamon further left economically considering his universal income plan and other proposed welfare state expansions, he's about right on the social scale.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva

Republic Of Minerva wrote:political compass describes Macron as a libertarian. lol?

"In reality, Macron is a classic libertarian in the US sense, with a socially liberal outlook and, crucially, an extreme right wing (ie neoliberal) economic agenda."

wtf

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Fairbankska

Prediction: ISIS defeated in Iraq by the end of summer, run out of Syria by the end of 2018. Healthcare reform and taxes accomplished, all of which give Republicans a big boost and help them win the midterms. I think tax and regulatory reform will either soften or prevent the coming cyclical recession the economy is due to have, so economic and foreign policy success will propel Trump to reelection in 2020.

If he can really reform the economy like he says he wants to, maybe the Republicans will continue winning in 2022 and even 2024, but this would make for the longest economic expansion on record, so who knows.

The political compass was made by British marxoids who apologize for leftist dictators.

The Nolan Chart is still superior, anyway.

Pevvania, Narland, Fairbankska

https://beinglibertarian.com/maxime-bernier-true-libertarian-candidate/

The Aradites, Fairbankska

Republic Of Minerva wrote:The political compass was made by British marxoids who apologize for leftist dictators.

The Nolan Chart is still superior, anyway.

That wouldn't surprise me. Their methodology and quiz are gutter trash.

Republic Of Minerva, Fairbankska

Republic Of Minerva wrote:https://beinglibertarian.com/maxime-bernier-true-libertarian-candidate/

I hope he wins. Canada is an absolute mess, both culturally and politically. Has a good corporate tax rate and that's about it.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:I hope he wins. Canada is an absolute mess, both culturally and politically. Has a good corporate tax rate and that's about it.

Not just the corporate tax rate, but

http://www.maximebernier.com/a_fair_gun_policy_for_canada

someone who isn't completely retarded on gun policy. Yay

Fairbankska

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Not just the corporate tax rate, but

http://www.maximebernier.com/a_fair_gun_policy_for_canada

someone who isn't completely retarded on gun policy. Yay

I meant Canada as a whole has a decent rate, but it's great to hear that Mad Max ticks all the boxes.

As a native Maple Leaf, can you tell us a bit about Canada's gun policies? It's my understanding that they're relatively relaxed compared to most of the world but still stricter than the US. Is this true?

Pevvania wrote:I meant Canada as a whole has a decent rate, but it's great to hear that Mad Max ticks all the boxes.

As a native Maple Leaf, can you tell us a bit about Canada's gun policies? It's my understanding that they're relatively relaxed compared to most of the world but still stricter than the US. Is this true?

In general, it's just pricey to get a permit, nowhere near new york level control. It honestly depends on where you live (if you live in quebec like me, it gets stricter of course). I live near an indian reservation that's pretty well off so you can get a gun tax-free w/o a permit. It's the closest place to libertarianism that i know.

Maxime is a god, and he better as hell win the leadership (I'll be voting for him) or else the conservatives will probably not win for a long time.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:I meant Canada as a whole has a decent rate, but it's great to hear that Mad Max ticks all the boxes.

As a native Maple Leaf, can you tell us a bit about Canada's gun policies? It's my understanding that they're relatively relaxed compared to most of the world but still stricter than the US. Is this true?

Wait, Minerva's Canadian? I know Arad is a Canadian, and lives in Quebec if I recall.

Republic Of Minerva

Rateria wrote:if I recall.

Somehow I don't think it's that hard to properly recall.

The Aradites wrote:if you live in quebec like me

Rateria

inb4 Canadian stereotypes

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Hyderbourg, Fairbankska

Friendly reminder that our elections start on this Wednesday, April 26, and will run until the 29th. Throw your hats in if you haven't already, and our good old regional justice needs to remember to start the poll.

So, uh, Humpy, pretty sure that's still you, so don't forget to do that.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:If you think scientific fact is infallible and settled, yet don't believe in the economic facts that tariffs, taxes, stimulus spending, minimum wage, entitlements, and other regulatory distortion of the market are detrimental to society, then you're either a hypocrite who only believes in facts when it's convenient to you, or is so egotistical that you think your science is superior to others.
Totally agree with the distortion. Unfortunately our founders set our system up to run policy interference via tariffs, excises and imposts for Federal sustenance. It is obvious that it is too much power for individuals in Congress to wisely wield even with the proper Constitutional checks and balances, separation of powers, divisions of responsibility, ad naseum. A Constitutional amendment may be in order.

Pevvania wrote:What are our thoughts on the whole Bill O'Reilly fiasco?
I do not believe it for a second. O'Reilly had a highly refined BS detector and challenged people on their intellectual dis-ingeniousness with Socratic questions. I may have disagreed with O'Reily's conclusions but he was an honest thinker who (for the most part) respected honest differences (when he could be convinced of its cogency). Cultural Marxists in particular, and socialists in general are cuckoo cloudlanders who cannot win with honest debate in the forum of public opinion on the face of reality and the facts for their failed ideology.

Fox News may be slightly right of the extreme frenetic left, but it is still a corporatist culture full of mostly leftists (most journalists and related industry align 90+% to liberal and progressive ideology). To say that this is statistically significant is an gross understatement. For the Cultural Marxists to take the top dog down would be an achievement for their clique in the established pecking order at Fox.

Murdoch, is a media empire built on PC trends, globalist agenda, and business as usual for the World Establishment. Gone as a regular weekly (or daily talking head) are Andrew Napolitano, John Stossel, Bill O'Reilly. Gone are the Constitutionalist, Libertarian, and Austrian leaning guests that used to regularly appear. What they had in common is they are strongly anti-Cultural Marxist, even though they are at differing places on the Liberty scale. Now it is the pro-establishment neo-cons that pervade each show. I suspect Lou Dobbs will be next to go on whatever pretext is convenient. Hannity tends to draw more anti-intellectual opinion and may survive the Murdoch, Inc purge as a token "Conservative."

That and never flirt with women in the workplace--it only brings grief.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Condealism, Hyderbourg

The Aradites wrote:In general, it's just pricey to get a permit, nowhere near new york level control. It honestly depends on where you live (if you live in quebec like me, it gets stricter of course). I live near an indian reservation that's pretty well off so you can get a gun tax-free w/o a permit. It's the closest place to libertarianism that i know.

Maxime is a god, and he better as hell win the leadership (I'll be voting for him) or else the conservatives will probably not win for a long time.

Well that's still miles ahead of Australia, the UK and many parts of Europe.

Rateria wrote:Wait, Minerva's Canadian? I know Arad is a Canadian, and lives in Quebec if I recall.

He was born in Canada but has lived in New Joisey most of his life, I believe.

Miencraft wrote:Friendly reminder that our elections start on this Wednesday, April 26, and will run until the 29th. Throw your hats in if you haven't already, and our good old regional justice needs to remember to start the poll.

So, uh, Humpy, pretty sure that's still you, so don't forget to do that.

Perhaps if I had a bit more time and energy for this game I'd throw my hat in the ring. I wouldn't mind running for a fourth term some day. What does the party system look like at the moment? Are the RLP and LP still around?

Narland wrote:Totally agree with the distortion. Unfortunately our founders set our system up to run policy interference via tariffs, excises and imposts for Federal sustenance. It is obvious that it is too much power for individuals in Congress to wisely wield even with the proper Constitutional checks and balances, separation of powers, divisions of responsibility, ad naseum. A Constitutional amendment may be in order.

First of all we'd need to repeal the 16th Amendment so we get rid of the income tax. This will be very difficult of course, and will likely require years if not decades of consensus-building and a profound shift towards federalism. If we can convince the liberals that blue states can compensate for the loss of federal revenue by raising their own taxes - mitigated by lower taxes in the rest of the nation - perhaps we could get them on board at some point. Indeed this will also need years of spending cuts to prove that the federal government can operate much smaller and much leaner. Once the income tax is gone we'll be relying on tariffs and consumption taxes for a while, so we'll need to do the same thing in order to get rid of those.

Narland wrote:I do not believe it for a second. O'Reilly had a highly refined BS detector and challenged people on their intellectual dis-ingeniousness with Socratic questions. I may have disagreed with O'Reily's conclusions but he was an honest thinker who (for the most part) respected honest differences (when he could be convinced of its cogency). Cultural Marxists in particular, and socialists in general are cuckoo cloudlanders who cannot win with honest debate in the forum of public opinion on the face of reality and the facts for their failed ideology.

Fox News may be slightly right of the extreme frenetic left, but it is still a corporatist culture full of mostly leftists (most journalists and related industry align 90+% to liberal and progressive ideology). To say that this is statistically significant is an gross understatement. For the Cultural Marxists to take the top dog down would be an achievement for their clique in the established pecking order at Fox.

Murdoch, is a media empire built on PC trends, globalist agenda, and business as usual for the World Establishment. Gone as a regular weekly (or daily talking head) are Andrew Napolitano, John Stossel, Bill O'Reilly. Gone are the Constitutionalist, Libertarian, and Austrian leaning guests that used to regularly appear. What they had in common is they are strongly anti-Cultural Marxist, even though they are at differing places on the Liberty scale. Now it is the pro-establishment neo-cons that pervade each show. I suspect Lou Dobbs will be next to go on whatever pretext is convenient. Hannity tends to draw more anti-intellectual opinion and may survive the Murdoch, Inc purge as a token "Conservative."

That and never flirt with women in the workplace--it only brings grief.

Indeed, rumour is that Murdoch's liberal children influenced the firing. The neo-con talking heads on Fox are so predictable and have almost no original opinions. It's just boring to listen to them.

Narland, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

A look back at my presidency, Nov 2013 - Sep. 2014. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=263074

It's sad to see that most of my cabinet officials CTE'd long ago. I miss Lack There Of, The New United States and even Independent States of America. Who else remembers when I fired him for undermining my administration?

Condealism, Hyderbourg

Rateria wrote:Wait, Minerva's Canadian? I know Arad is a Canadian, and lives in Quebec if I recall.

Yes but I currently live in the US. Aradites probably knows more aboot the current political station than I.

Rateria, Hyderbourg

Socialists: Venezuela, North Korea, the USSR, Communist China, socialist Latin America, post-colonial Africa and eastern Europe weren't real socialism, so really there's no way you can criticise it if it hasn't been tried yet.

Also socialists: hahahaha war-scarred, over-regulated Central America is terrible, so capitalism doesn't work!

Also socialists: boy look I wish our country could be more like Sweden

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Fairbankska

Pevvania wrote:A look back at my presidency, Nov 2013 - Sep. 2014. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=263074

It's sad to see that most of my cabinet officials CTE'd long ago. I miss Lack There Of, The New United States and even Independent States of America. Who else remembers when I fired him for undermining my administration?

Of course I remember that, I made you!

Pevvania, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Are the RLP and LP still around?

Technically, I think so, but nobody cares about the old party politics here so everyone's been running as an independent since the new constitution. Even me.

Pevvania wrote:A look back at my presidency, Nov 2013 - Sep. 2014. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pevvania/detail=factbook/id=263074

It's sad to see that most of my cabinet officials CTE'd long ago. I miss Lack There Of, The New United States and even Independent States of America. Who else remembers when I fired him for undermining my administration?

You can actually see our population get lower if you look through my offices.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=275436

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=310573

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=miencraft/detail=factbook/id=664487

Condealism

Speaking of old offices, what ever happened to that list of all the Presidents?

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Speaking of old offices, what ever happened to that list of all the Presidents?

What president nuddy

Can we organize a debate? I think rn it'd be Condealism vs Hyderbourg

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

A debate sounds good to me. Hyderbourg's communist ties, and Condealism's ties to the neocon globalist deep state which led him to accuse Hyderbourg of communist ties, can be brought up there.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Biggest Dred

Candidates will have until 12 noon (EST) tomorrow to send me official correspondence of their intention to run to be placed on the ballot.

Rateria, Condealism, Biggest Dred, Fairbankska

Fairbankska wrote:A debate sounds good to me. Hyderbourg's communist ties, and Condealism's ties to the neocon globalist deep state which led him to accuse Hyderbourg of communist ties, can be brought up there.

I look forward to literally demolishing my opponent.

"Haha, you mean figuratively, right?"

...In a subversion of the usual punchline, yes, I do in fact mean figuratively.

Narland, Rateria, Fairbankska

[B]OFFICIAL BUSINESS

In the race for the office of President of the Second Republic of Libertatem:

The Hon. Delegate Hyderbourg has achieved ballot access as an Independent.

The Hon. Senator Condealism has achieved ballot access as an Independent.

No other candidates have filed for ballot access at this time.

Narland, Condealism

#DraftPev #PevForPres #BringingSexyBack #MLGA

Pevvania, Biggest Dred

Humpheria wrote:#DraftPev #PevForPres #BringingSexyBack #MLGA

*awkward silence intensifies*

The United States Of Patriots

I'm glad to hear that Colonel Sanders has condemned the violence and anti-intellectualism of the Berkeley snowflakes. When it comes to our liberal friends, if you don't condemn the violence, then you condone it!

Humpheria, Rateria, Fairbankska

If I am president I will

1. beat up communists, like literally, beat them up.

2. Recruit like my life depended on it. (Not necessarily just recruiting residents, but hopefully active citizens who won't put up with the government's overbearing tendencies, #revolt.)

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred, Fairbankska, Supting

Humpheria wrote:The Hon. Senator Condealism has achieved ballot access as an Independent.

I'm so dishonorable, he can't even say the full, unabbreviated word with a straight face, I'll bet. Also, I'm glad "official correspondence" is so loosely defined.

Hyderbourg wrote:If I am president I will

1. beat up communists, like literally, beat them up.

2. Recruit like my life depended on it. (Not necessarily just recruiting residents, but hopefully active citizens who won't put up with the government's overbearing tendencies, #revolt.)

If I am President... oh, hell. It's not like I'm going to win anyway, so I may as well promise the moon.

If I am President, I will do something I should have done three years ago: I will merge the International Republican Union with us - by which I mean, I will use my evil, cruel, despotic powers to dissolve their government and convince their residents to become our residents. This will save me the trouble of recruiting because recruiting is bullsh*t, and if it goes well, it might encourage other inactive like-minded communities to join us in the same way. I'll also work on legislative reforms that grant me more power and allow me to delegate that power however I see fit - not just for the sake of being a militant dictator, though that is a bonus - so that we can have a government that actually does things. Finally, I'll establish Mhomenism as the state religion.

(If you don't elect me President, I may still do those things to some degree, but they'd be considerably less effective. It's difficult to enslave people you don't lead.)

Pevvania, Narland, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Fascist Dred

Condealism wrote:I'm so dishonorable, he can't even say the full, unabbreviated word with a straight face, I'll bet. Also, I'm glad "official correspondence" is so loosely defined.

If I am President... oh, hell. It's not like I'm going to win anyway, so I may as well promise the moon.

If I am President, I will do something I should have done three years ago: I will merge the International Republican Union with us - by which I mean, I will use my evil, cruel, despotic powers to dissolve their government and convince their residents to become our residents. This will save me the trouble of recruiting because recruiting is bullsh*t, and if it goes well, it might encourage other inactive like-minded communities to join us in the same way. I'll also work on legislative reforms that grant me more power and allow me to delegate that power however I see fit - not just for the sake of being a militant dictator, though that is a bonus - so that we can have a government that actually does things. Finally, I'll establish Mhomenism as the state religion.

(If you don't elect me President, I may still do those things to some degree, but they'd be considerably less effective. It's difficult to enslave people you don't lead.)

Merging the IRU into Libertatem is a marvellous idea, and if you can actually get this done, I'll happily give you my support and endorsement.

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria, Condealism

[quote=condealism;25089334] I'll establish Mhomenism as the state religion....

forgot establishing Muh Roads as our state Cult leader. SMH.

Muh Roads, Rateria, Condealism

The election will be between Condealism and Hyderbourg.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg, Fairbankska

[quote=the_united_states_of_patriots;25102106][quote=condealism;25089334] I'll establish Mhomenism as the state religion....

forgot establishing Muh Roads as our state Cult leader. SMH.[/quote]

Roads was merely the Herald of Mhomen.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

I don't really see the necessity of merging IRU with Libertatem. The former is more of a conservative region for Republicans, whilst we are non-partisan region of neo-libertarians.

Rateria

Republic Of Minerva wrote:I don't really see the necessity of merging IRU with Libertatem. The former is more of a conservative region for Republicans,

Was. Have you seen it recently?

Condealism wrote:I'll establish Mhomenism as the state religion.

Vile Mhomenite Heretic. You will burn for your blasphemies.

Muh Roads, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Vile Mhomenite Heretic. You will burn for your blasphemies.

Mhomen shall protect me, for I am good at politics

Rateria

Midnight Ramble:

Narland is finally back to Anarchy. Every time Narland would come up as Civil Rights Lovefest (CRL) I would think of my Grandfather who himself was a 20s Flaming Youth, bootlegger, blues musician, and bohemian entrepreneur. He would say with a twinkle in his eye, "Nothing wrong with a Hippie that a bath, shave, haircut, change of clothes, good job, and some rehab won't fix."

Civil Rights Lovefest (CRL) is fine for a tag but it didn't seem to get enough questions allowing for economic growth without ugly side effects--rudeness, bad weather, increased taxation, but that might just be a NS bias.

Anarchy under Rule of Law that exemplifies Liberty as the first rule of government (within the framework of justice and peace) technically isn't anarchy, but it is probably as good as its going to get pragmatically for a free society until we reach post-scarcity "singularity." I put that in quotes because I can hear Inigo Montoya in the back of my mind saying, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." The future isn't going to be what it used to, and i suspect convergence/singularity isn't going to be what anyone expects. That is if good intentions, bad religion, or ugly politics doesn't drag us back into preindustrial or stone ages first.

***Narland ceases to ramble and meanders off back to the arms of Morpheus whence he was dreaming of stopping his alternate self from interstitching the timeline with temporal overlays that erode the underlying anchorpoints of reality and fraying spacetime for all of us just to get rid of last week's parking ticket.***

Rateria, Hyderbourg

Condealism wrote:Was. Have you seen it recently?

I'd say it's gotten worse.

-Updated census-

[spoiler]

Official tally:

Population: 73

Citizens: 29

-Abroad: 5

Active Citizens: 18

Inactive: 11

CTE'd: 25

More information in the Factbook entry.

[/spoiler]

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:-Updated census-

[spoiler]

Official tally:

Population: 73

Citizens: 29

-Abroad: 5

Active Citizens: 18

Inactive: 11

CTE'd: 25

More information in the Factbook entry.

[/spoiler]

Why is condealism not a citizen?

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Current Electoral Results:

Condealism - 4

Hyderbourg - 4 (2/6 votes not of citizens)

Also question, does the president need a simple majority of the citizenry or just those voting? The constitution implies the former.

The Aradites wrote:Current Electoral Results:

Condealism - 4

Hyderbourg - 4 (2/6 votes not of citizens)

This is a close one...

The Aradites wrote:Why is condealism not a citizen?

The Aradites wrote:Also question, does the president need a simple majority of the citizenry or just those voting? The constitution implies the former.

Libertatem lesson #1: The law is nominal, not literal. Seeing as it's inconsistent, rife with loopholes, and violated fairly often, you might consider it a libertarian's dream.

I look forward to the gnashing of teeth when I change that.

Rateria

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

The Aradites wrote:Also question, does the president need a simple majority of the citizenry or just those voting? The constitution implies the former.

It's supposed to just be a majority of citizens who voted.

I can see how there'd be confusion, and I don't think anyone would mind if I found a way to word that better...

Still, I didn't think that'd actually be unclear when it was written, but apparently it does need some kind of clarification.

Rateria, Condealism

I'd hate to try to get >50% of all citizens anyways. It'd be damn near impossible.

Anywho, I'm technically a citizen abroad. (I might actually move that particular nation back over here if things in the IDA don't work out too well.)

I see that the voters could use some encouragement. Very well.

If elected President, my first act in office shall be to have the Regional Link to "The Senate" replaced with a picture of Chancellor Palpatine.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Pevvania wrote:That is so cool!

It was in 1968 when I started pulling cable at football games. Now, much of the cool seems to have worn off.

Pevvania wrote:and loathe the trial-by-media culture that has arisen in modern times.

You and me both. I worked the Duke Lacrosse Team Rape Scandal. That is the all time grand champion example of trial by media. All of us know how that came out. The Atlanta Constitution Journal, the New York Times, The Charlotte Observer and other papers all wrote checks over that one. Every national broadcast news organization except Fox wrote five digit checks over that mess. In addition to CNN's we-screwed-up-check, they got to write a bonus eight digit check in a separate settlement over Nancy Grace's mouth. (That is not the first check CNN wrote as a direct result her mouth.)

It is ironic that Bill O'Reilly was one of the few that said, "We don't know if these boys did it or not." He also steadfastly defended coach Mike Pressler saying the coach is not their full time nanny.

Pevvania wrote:But I suppose Fox would not have fired their most profitable anchor for no reason, so there must have been some basis to the claims being made. Or maybe they just let him go because all the advertisers were pulling out. Who knows?

They didn't fire him. It was a mutual parting of the ways.

It is sad the advertisers pulled out. But it is their money. They can spend it where they want it.

Pevvania, Condealism, Hyderbourg

The Aradites wrote:Why is condealism not a citizen?

Condealism wrote:Anywho, I'm technically a citizen abroad. (I might actually move that particular nation back over here if things in the IDA don't work out too well.)

Yay I didn't even need to answer the question.

I have two ideas for how this could be handled:

1) Judging that citizenship is not granted to puppets if the original nation is also a citizen. Each can act in the others place. (As long as it is a known puppet)

2) we are all actually voting for Nova Condealism even though it is the puppet Condealism that is the actual inhabitant of the region.

Judging by the complications of the second I would highly suggest the former.

Rateria, Condealism

Condealism wrote:I see that the voters could use some encouragement. Very well.

If elected President, my first act in office shall be to have the Regional Link to "The Senate" replaced with a picture of Chancellor Palpatine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MHusGl9BeM

Golden

Condealism

The United States Of Patriots wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MHusGl9BeM

Golden

Wasn't it crazy when The Senate and Yoda were fighting in The Senate and The Senate threw The Senate at him?

The United States Of Patriots

Exciting week in Washington. Mnuchin has presented a huge tax cut plan (3 brackets, top rate 35%, corporate rate cut to 15%, no more death tax, and a doubled standard deduction), a revised GOP healthcare bill has the support of the Freedom Caucus, and NAFTA is soon going to be renegotiated, meaning that some of the older provisions can be brought up to date, and Mexico can be pressured into paying for the wall.

Also, new executive orders, one of which promotes education federalism and another that may see the repeal of 20 years of land grabs by the Department of the Interior. Overall, I'd give Trump's first 100 days a B+. Not an A- because he's had few major legislative victories, but neither did most recent presidents in their first few months in office. Remember that it took Reagan getting shot to nudge Congress into action on tax cuts, lol.

Miencraft

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Yay I didn't even need to answer the question.

I have two ideas for how this could be handled:

1) Judging that citizenship is not granted to puppets if the original nation is also a citizen. Each can act in the others place. (As long as it is a known puppet)

2) we are all actually voting for Nova Condealism even though it is the puppet Condealism that is the actual inhabitant of the region.

Judging by the complications of the second I would highly suggest the former.

Legally, citizens aren't actually defined by this Constitution, so whatever you want to go with is 100% up to you.

That means you get to decide all the requirements and what actually qualifies as a citizen in the case of puppets.

Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots

Hey guys, I'm GAY!

G - grateful

A - for

Y - Jesus

The United States Of Patriots

Reasons Trump has had an unconstitutional presidency and should be impeached:

-Passing a healthcare law that was an illegal expansion of federal power not authorised by the Constitution or even the Commerce Clause

-Illegally enforcing parts of the ACA which didn't even exist

-Selling thousands of guns to cartels and instructing his Attorney-General to lie under oath about it

-Using the IRS to target conservative and libertarian groups

-Effectively going to war with Libya and unseating its government without congressional approval

-Appointing a VA head whose incompetence led to the deaths of dozens of veterans waiting for care

-Appointing federal judges when the Senate was in recess

-Lied to Congress about a prisoner release to secure the Iran nuclear deal, concealing the fact that the prisoners were terrorists and arms exporters

-Intimidating and surveilling the press using the unconstitutional Espionage Act

-Continuing to run the illegal, unconstitutional surveillance state

-Knowingly communicating with Hillary's private email server then lying to the press about it

oh wait sheet these are all Obama's scandals haha, my bad

Miencraft

Pevvania wrote:Hey guys, I'm GAY!

G - grateful

A - for

Y - Jesus

Why shouldn't you be happy?

Pevvania, Fairbankska

Condy, Mhomen is dead. Join my cult or get the hose.

Sign up with our deluxe package and gain an all access pass to watch the saturday night girl scout whippings.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Hey guys, I'm GAY!

G - grateful

A - for

Y - Jesus

me too!

G - GAY

A - GAY

Y - ALSO GAY

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska, Supting

Muh Roads wrote:Condy, Mhomen is dead. Join my cult or get the hose.

Sign up with our deluxe package and gain an all access pass to watch the saturday night girl scout whippings.

Silence mortal. Mhomen is dead, long live Mhomen

Rateria

The States Of Balloon wrote:Asian nut crunch

weaboo scum

Rateria

Votes are still tied, both have two non-citizen votes

Rateria, Supting, Yakian

The Aradites wrote:Votes are still tied, both have two non-citizen votes

That reminds me that we have no Constitutional provisions for what happens during a tie.

Oh well.

Narland, Rateria, Condealism, Supting

Miencraft wrote:That reminds me that we have no Constitutional provisions for what happens during a tie.

Oh well.

It will be in the prerogative of the judiciary to decide how to proceed.

Rateria, Condealism

Humpheria wrote:It will be in the prerogative of the judiciary to decide how to proceed.

Speaking of the judiciary, lemme just remind you that the inauguration ceremony is just a ceremony at this point - I figure you'll probably want to swear the winner in just as a matter of tradition, but I want it to be on record that the President's term starts as soon as he's elected now.

Humpheria, Rateria, Condealism

Humpheria wrote:It will be in the prerogative of the judiciary to decide how to proceed.

Isn't it kind of biased that the Regional Justice is a voter in this election and will now attempt to make an objective decision in regard to the winner?

Miencraft, Rateria, Fairbankska, Supting

Hyderbourg wrote:Isn't it kind of biased that the Regional Justice is a voter in this election and will now attempt to make an objective decision in regard to the winner?

truuue

Miencraft, Rateria, Hyderbourg, Supting

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Humpheria wrote:It will be in the prerogative of the judiciary to decide how to proceed.

Calvinball; flipping a virtual bitcoin; dueling sock puppets at 20 paces; a friendly game of rock, paper, shotgun; a fast game of double-blind Monopoly--the possibilities are boundless.

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, The United States Of Patriots, Fairbankska

Hyderbourg wrote:Isn't it kind of biased that the Regional Justice is a voter in this election and will now attempt to make an objective decision in regard to the winner?

*tries to smother you with a pillow* Shhhh

Miencraft, Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots

to end a tie, usually it's a legislative body the votes and decides, no?

Miencraft, Rateria, Condealism, Hyderbourg

Mr Justice, I'm requesting you make a judgement on how the tie for the presidential election will be decided upon.

Humpheria, Condealism

The Aradites wrote:to end a tie, usually it's a legislative body the votes and decides, no?

I think that makes a lot of sense. If it's not covered in the Constitution that means it's legislation and should be handled by the Senate.

Hyderbourg wrote:I think that makes a lot of sense. If it's not covered in the Constitution that means it's legislation and should be handled by the Senate.

The only problem is that there are only two active Senators, one of them is Condealism and the other is one of my constituents, wouldn't that result in another tie...?

Maybe a second round of voting? Compromise choices can then throw their hat in the ring as well.

Miencraft, Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots

Have we ever had a tie in the history of the region?

Hyderbourg wrote:The only problem is that there are only two active Senators, one of them is Condealism and the other is one of my constituents, wouldn't that result in another tie...?

The senators are Aradites, Muh Roads and Pevvania. The link isn't updated.

Rateria, Hyderbourg

There is a third option...

Yes. It involves... MURDER! *plays scare chord*

Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots

With the occurrence of a tie, it falls upon the Judiciary to interpret our laws and determine that fairest course of action within the law. And it will be done.

The point has been brought up that as Regional Justice, I am charged to determine our path forward however I did vote in the election. As the Constitution provides that all citizens may. I am not forbidden from voting but I understand the concerns of the Hon. Delegate and Senator. So I can promise that I will make the fairest and most transparent ruling possible. Nothing less than the integrity of our government is at stake.

Condealism

Ruling of the Judiciary:

In traditional representative republican government, when no leader is chosen with a clear majority, we turn to our representatives. Unfortunately, our legislative branch has fallen inactive and is long overdue for for election at any rate, even with our current situation notwithstanding. This must be amended and we must move forward with a trusted body to represent us.

Therefore, I am ordering, effective immediately, a 24 hour announcement and campaign period for a special election for each of the three seats of the Senate which will last 24 hours beginning at the end of the aforementioned period. This newly elected body will be charged with casting the tie-breaking vote immediately following their election. Candidates may file for only one of the three seats and each seat will be elected separately via telegram ballots. All registered citizens may vote for all three seats.

The term of the newly elected Senators shall be the same as that prescribed by the Constitution.

President Minerva will continue to serve until the Senate has seated his successor. At which time, the presidential term will continue as prescribed by the Constitution.

This concludes the lawfully binding ruling of the Regional Court.

[I]Humpheria

Regional Justice

Miencraft, Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Condealism

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