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Zeouria wrote:Just accept, humphy. Everyone wants you too.

(I say, if he doesn't accept, we force him)

Good luck with that.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Yes this is very neccessary.

Good luck with that.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Impeach of course then we could pass it with your successor.

Good luck with that.

The Amarican Empire wrote:# Tyrannyofthemajority

#ItWasAF***ingJoke

Miencraft wrote:I like how seriously people are taking a bill that was presented as a joke.

Miencraft wrote:#ItWasAF***ingJoke

This isn't a joke to us, THIS IS FOR REAL

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Zeouria wrote:*knocks Humph on the back of the head with a metal rod*

*Humph is knocked out*

OK guys, get the drill!

Zeouria wrote:*knocks Humph on the back of the head with a metal rod*

*Humph is knocked out*

OK guys, get the drill!

Zeouria wrote:*knocks Humph on the back of the head with a metal rod*

*Humph is knocked out*

OK guys, get the drill!

The president has suddenly decided to endorse this bill

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Zeouria wrote:Yay!

I know, *whispers* Good thing we had that metal rod.

Zeouria wrote:Welp... I'm off to TNBE for a while! Be back later.

Conversing with the enemy! Pev will have your head!

I am withdrawing my second. Rape is wrong.

The Amarican Empire wrote:I am withdrawing my second. Rape is wrong.

It's not rape

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We are proposing legislation to force hump into sex.

Zeouria wrote:*knocks right winged nation with metal rod*

*RWN falls to ground*

Get the drill, boys!

*my group of goons come in with drill*

It was all apart my big sex plot... muhahahaha!

No, I won't be long.

Okay then.

Beware of DK. Our enemy in law.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:It's not rape

It's rape. It mandates that he participate.

The Amarican Empire wrote:We are proposing legislation to force hump into sex.

Aka radical rape

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The Amarican Empire wrote:We are proposing legislation to force hump into sex.

No, we are passing Legislation in which Humpy brings back Humpy after Dark. Humpy after Dark is already happening, it's an event. We just need to get it recoginized on a regional scale because it is important.

Zeouria wrote:*knocks right winged nation with metal rod*

*RWN falls to ground*

Get the drill, boys!

*my group of goons come in with drill*

It was all apart my big sex plot... muhahahaha!

No, I won't be long.

Zeouria wrote:*knocks right winged nation with metal rod*

*RWN falls to ground*

Get the drill, boys!

*my group of goons come in with drill*

It was all apart my big sex plot... muhahahaha!

No, I won't be long.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

RWN are you ready to act like an adult?

Humpheria wrote:RWN are you ready to act like an adult?

Humpy, you and I know this won't pass, so relax.

We have more...pressing matters to attend to than this. Cutesy chat doesn't help us at all.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:We have more...pressing matters to attend to than this. Cutesy chat doesn't help us at all.

This was never a matter to begin with, it was a joke.

Plot twist!

Minerva is now going to be asked to replace Lack, who replaced Hallo, who replaced TNUS.

Humpheria wrote:Plot twist!

Minerva is now going to be asked to replace Lack, who replaced Hallo, who replaced TNUS.

As Foreign Affairs

Humpheria wrote:As Foreign Affairs

Fan freaking tastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbj8BBsWSA

Right-Winged Nation wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbj8BBsWSA

classic

Lack There Of wrote:classic

Gets me everytime.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbj8BBsWSA

I laughed for years when I first saw that.

Humpheria wrote:I laughed for years when I first saw that.

I am still laughing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJkO-EKRVd0

Miencraft wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJkO-EKRVd0

Miencraft wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJkO-EKRVd0

Yes

I shall veto this atrocious invasion on the natural rights of Humpheria should it pass. *looks into the distance, savoring the justice*

I motion a vote of no confidence on libs leadership. jk

The Amarican Empire wrote:I motion a vote of no confidence on libs leadership. jk

#100%democracyproof

Zeouria wrote:Look at the workplace. It is characterised by [I]slavery[/I]. It's a heiarchal institution, in which it pins worker against boss. All of what the worker produces goes directly to the owner, in which it is sold. In return, the worker is ordered around and received a wage. A wage of enough to keep him/her alive.

Wrong. The workplace relationship is frequently mischaracterized as some form of hierarchy, but this is highly inaccurate. First of all, it is completely voluntary. I do not have to work for someone else and neither do you. It might be easier in the short run to do it, but even for the disadvantaged they can simply sell their talent directly to consumers without starting a formal business (however, government licensing and regulation makes this very difficult in some circumstances). There are more complicated ways to avoid working for others, such as starting a commune or your own business, that are also made more difficult by state coercive powers. Nevertheless, my point is that self-employment is possible and quite popular in much of Europe.

Secondly, the nature of the office means that the relationship between the manager and the employee can never be truly hierarchical. First and foremost, the ultimate ruler is the market. The market dictates what the business sells and very often how it is organised. Workers are remunerated not based on the arbitrary whims of executives, but due to supply and demand, and the ever-changing nature of prices. Market pressure also restricts what the boss can do to his or her employees. Mistreating workers can not only steer away consumers, but also investors and the very labour needed to help them. A business owner cannot simply do what they want. They depend on other people to accomplish their goals, and must always settle for what the other party wants to keep business flowing. It is a complex relationship with only one clear ruler: the market.

Zeouria wrote:A workers rents his labor, right? Well, the worker [I]is[/I] his labor; a persons labor ability and a person are not seperate, you own yourself. Thus, a worker is renting him/herself.

I wouldn't word it like that. A worker's labour is a product of himself, but the two are not literally one and the same. His labour is a service that he owns because it is a product of his body, which he can never relinquish ownership of. But he can sell his labour to whoever he wishes because it is merely a product of his self-ownership and not literally a part of it. The only way someone could literally sell himself is if he agreed with a transaction partner to remove his brain from his body and have the other person's brain implanted into his old body. This would be the only legitimate way to give up self-ownership rights to the body you're born with. But since this practice is currently impossible, it is of no use discussing.

Zeouria wrote:And Americans flag , too. The conservative party is anything BUT Libertarian.

Throughout its history, the Republican Party has had very strong elements of libertarianism that have shaped policy. The Civil War/Reconstruction-era Radical Republicans sought to take land and property from former slave masters and give them to freedmen; this would have been consistent with Rothbardian property rights and natural law theory. The GOP of the 1920s slashed taxes and spending while protecting the rights of women, preventing further segregation and finally giving the Natives citizenship. The Robert Taft Republicans rolled back the New Deal and fought against foreign interventionism. Reagan was a libertarian-leaning conservative that cut down the size of government while avoiding war abroad. The Republican Party shed most vestiges of social libertarianism in the 90s, and any hope of following conservative economic doctrine under the Bush Administration.

Zeouria wrote:The conservative party is against gay marriage, pro larger military, pro the oppression of foreign peoples', against a women's right to get an abortion, etc.

It is not a woman's right. It is a convenience that results in the death of infants. I'm not saying it should be illegal, which would cause more problems than it could solve, but it is most certainly a wretched, wretched practice.

Hermesgrad wrote:the termination of life? you do realise things have to be alive in the first place.

There is a broad scientific consensus that fetuses are indeed living beings. Your political preferences do not determine what is life and what is not.

Board Elections

Here is what the make-up of next month's Board will look like. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Seat 1: Godisdead (RLP)

Seat 2: Conservative Idealism in Libertatem (ACOP)

Seat 3: Right-Winged Nation (RLP)

Seat 4: Hallo Island (CHUM)

Seat 5: Muh Roads (RLP)

Since nobody has contested any of the seats yet, the elections may still go on if there are any legitimate races. So before the end of the month, if anyone wants to run for the Board, please say so so we can organise the final races.

Tell me what you think of this.

[B]Impeachment Amendment Draft[/B]

Section I

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of Libertatem, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, abuse of power, or other high crimes and misdemeanors, through two out of the following three ways

Subsection I

The Founder seeks to impeach the President

Subsection II

A 4/5ths majority of the Board seeks to impeach the President

Subsection III

Two thirds of voting members of the House of Representatives seek to impeach the President

What do y'all think?

Board should be the jury

Northern Prussia wrote:Board should be the jury

Tried that before, it doesn't work.

How about a random jury from those people that voted in the last election.

Northern Prussia wrote:Board should be the jury

Well, the Board doubles as the High Court, but impeaching a president that way would require a unanimous vote. I don't think that'd be necessary. I think requiring the approval of 2 branches of government would make the most sense. Or perhaps we could make all three branches of government needed for impeachment.

I thought about how it should really be ‘im-grapefruit-ment’ because grapefruits are sour and getting impeached would be a sour experience.

Pevvania wrote:Board Elections

Here is what the make-up of next month's Board will look like. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Seat 1: Godisdead (RLP)

Seat 2: Conservative Idealism in Libertatem (ACOP)

Seat 3: Right-Winged Nation (RLP)

Seat 4: Hallo Island (CHUM)

Seat 5: Muh Roads (RLP)

Since nobody has contested any of the seats yet, the elections may still go on if there are any legitimate races. So before the end of the month, if anyone wants to run for the Board, please say so so we can organise the final races.

ANKHA Will run...for a seat.......DUN DUN DUUNNNNN!

Pevvania wrote:Tell me what you think of this.

[B]Impeachment Amendment Draft[/B]

Subsection III

Two thirds of voting members of the House of Representatives seek to impeach the President

What do y'all think?

Ive been gone for a couple weeks, so maybe i missed this being fixed, but doesnt the house consist of all member nations not just citizens?

Lack There Of wrote:Ive been gone for a couple weeks, so maybe i missed this being fixed, but doesnt the house consist of all member nations not just citizens?

Lack is back!

Actually, that's true. We should reform the House as a citizens-only body first before we change the impeachment process.

House Reform Part III

Changes

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all nations in Libertatem not vested with a legislatoral position.

to

Section II

Subsection I

The House of Representatives shall consist of all citizens in Libertatem, except the President and members of the Board.

An excellent and much-needed change.

I feel like now would be a good time to say that Humpy's cabinet should get their factbooks together and ready to move into the WFE right about now so that we don't waste too much time in September updating them.

Board Reform Part II

The purpose of this amendment will be to codify a silent but critical precedent that has emerged over the past year - the gradual decline of the Managers as a part of the Board. They have shifted away from their role as a body within the executive and legislative parts of the government to just an organ of the executive. It is my view, and the Founder agrees, that this change should be codified in the form of an amendment to the Constitution. I'll get a draft up soon enough, but it's essential purpose will be to officially separate the Managers from the Board.

Once I'm confident that all three amendments will pass, I will be packaging them into one vote.

I'm proud to say that during my tenure as your President, despite our increased standing in the world of NationStates, we have not succumbed to invasion once. One solid attempt was made at directly attacking us, but it was repelled. Not by me, but by the gallant people of Libertatem. As your next Manager of Military Affairs, the second time I'll be taking this job, I will continue to lead the army as one of NationStates's developing military powers.

Pevvania wrote:Lack is back!

Actually, that's true. We should reform the House as a citizens-only body first before we change the impeachment process.

what would this place be without me

Lack There Of wrote:what would this place be without me

Well, we'd certainly be lacking in many areas.

Miencraft wrote:Well, we'd certainly be lacking in many areas.

Who else would teach you about Keynes economic greatness

https://fbcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-0/10378163_10152319552450197_1740061203064938586_n.jpg

Guys, the economic illiterates are out in force tonight on a topic titled "Should the US raise the minimum wage?" http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=309331

Join me as we demolish the forces of statism and fallacies!

Pevvania wrote:Guys, the economic illiterates are out in force tonight on a topic titled "Should the US raise the minimum wage?" http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=309331

Join me as we demolish the forces of statism and fallacies!

I was one of the 22 that voted for abolition, but didn't bother commenting because there's just no way I'm going to be able to beat up 12 pages of stupid.

Miencraft wrote:I feel like now would be a good time to say that Humpy's cabinet should get their factbooks together and ready to move into the WFE right about now so that we don't waste too much time in September updating them.

Still trusting the minimum wage to reduce poverty in 2014... What a shame...

Ahah, I love to see all these guys arguing about the right level of minimum wage like if they were omniscients. " that's the good level ", " it's enough ", " it's not enough ". Please teach us, great masters !

I took a six hour nap today. I woke up and almost grabbed my gun because there were intruder in my house. It was my grandfather eating oatmeal and watching Oprah re-runs. Never take a six hour nap.

Lack There Of wrote:Who else would teach you about Keynes economic greatness

https://fbcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-0/10378163_10152319552450197_1740061203064938586_n.jpg

My God I missed you

Miencraft wrote:I was one of the 22 that voted for abolition, but didn't bother commenting because there's just no way I'm going to be able to beat up 12 pages of stupid.

I feel ya buddy. All we can do is show the light of truth and empirical evidence to those who do not see it, and hope that they listen.

Humpheria wrote:

Will get on it ASAP.

Yrellian Confederacy wrote:Ahah, I love to see all these guys arguing about the right level of minimum wage like if they were omniscients. " that's the good level ", " it's enough ", " it's not enough ". Please teach us, great masters !

An argument I've frequently made is that these price floor advocates are just pulling figures out of their asses. "I think $22 dollars is ridiculous because it would destroy small business, but $10 is a good idea" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You have no idea where the correct price equilibrium is. None at all. And the cold, hard fact is that even an incremental increase measuring in pennies still has a negative impact. Best way to raise wages? Get rid of minimum wage laws, and let prosperity flow for everybody.

Humpheria wrote:I took a six hour nap today. I woke up and almost grabbed my gun because there were intruder in my house. It was my grandfather eating oatmeal and watching Oprah re-runs. Never take a six hour nap.

I took a six hour nap, got back from a race and crashed. Someone tried to ask me to help them move and I laughed at them and went away.

Fun fact: the minimum wage was not raised once during the Presidency of Ronald Reagan, and actually lost a third of its real value under him. Meanwhile, Dubya backed the largest single increase in the minimum wage in history from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour.

Pevvania wrote:Will get on it ASAP.

Shank shoo.

Minerva (State) and Mien (IA), get on top of that.

"The Retiring President of Pevvania"

This makes me happy.

Minimum wage, because the government knows what people should make better than businesses do.

Humpheria wrote:Mien (IA), get on top of that.

Waaaaaay ahead of you.

CI needs to do a Justice factbook, though, and I'll just work at stealing your VP factbook.

Pevvania wrote:Fun fact: the minimum wage was not raised once during the Presidency of Ronald Reagan, and actually lost a third of its real value under him. Meanwhile, Dubya backed the largest single increase in the minimum wage in history from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour.

Seattles minimum wage is like $9.00

Humpheria wrote:"The Retiring President of Pevvania"

This makes me happy.

Oi

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Minimum wage, because the government knows what people should make better than businesses do.

No, it can essentially be boiled down to: f--k poor people. Another fun fact: the minimum wage was first created by Southern union lobbyists that wanted to push blacks out of the workforce.

Miencraft wrote:Waaaaaay ahead of you.

CI needs to do a Justice factbook, though, and I'll just work at stealing your VP factbook.

CI is running for Board. Either Ankha or Amarican will be AG.

Humpheria wrote:CI is running for Board. Either Ankha or Amarican will be AG.

Ah, right.

I'm getting confused already.

Well, just... whoever it is needs to do a factbook because I don't think the Justice Department has ever had a factbook.

Pevvania wrote:Oi

No, it can essentially be boiled down to: f--k poor people. Another fun fact: the minimum wage was first created by Southern union lobbyists that wanted to push blacks out of the workforce.

It must be eliminated.

Pevvania wrote:Oi

Come at me brahsky.

I'd like to recommend that the President-Elect, once officially in office, pursue some kind of recruitment legislation or similar doctrine so that it's not just me and Muh Roads doing all the recruiting. We've had a month of stagnant population growth, perhaps due to factors outside our control or maybe because nobody on the Board is pulling their weight.

Pevvania wrote:I'd like to recommend that the President-Elect, once officially in office, pursue some kind of recruitment legislation or similar doctrine so that it's not just me and Muh Roads doing all the recruiting. We've had a month of stagnant population growth, perhaps due to factors outside our control or maybe because nobody on the Board is pulling their weight.
I thought about this myself.

Pevvania wrote:Oi

It's funny because Australia.

Thinking of Australia, I went to a zoo here in ND a last week and fed a kangaroo.

On a side note, kangaroo is delicious.

Muh Roads wrote:Thinking of Australia, I went to a zoo here in ND a last week and fed a kangaroo.

On a side note, kangaroo is delicious.

Monster.

Pevvania wrote:I'd like to recommend that the President-Elect, once officially in office, pursue some kind of recruitment legislation or similar doctrine so that it's not just me and Muh Roads doing all the recruiting. We've had a month of stagnant population growth, perhaps due to factors outside our control or maybe because nobody on the Board is pulling their weight.

I have been trying to think about that. I can't buy tg stamps, so I would feel bad asking others to. Maybe a minimum number of tgs per Board member (including managers).

Humpheria wrote:Monster.

I can't imagine someone who lived on a farm would be opposed to eating any kind of animal :p

I mean humpy... rocky Mountain oysters, giblets, chitterlings.. etc. Kangaroo is much better lol

Muh Roads wrote:I can't imagine someone who lived on a farm would be opposed to eating any kind of animal :p

I was being humorous. I've never had kangaroo, but I like exotic meats.

Muh Roads wrote:I mean humpy... rocky Mountain oysters, giblets, chitterlings.. etc. Kangaroo is much better lol

I hate giblets and chitlins.

Humpheria wrote:I was being humorous. I've never had kangaroo, but I like exotic meats.

We know humpy we know :)

Humpheria wrote:I was being humorous. I've never had kangaroo, but I like exotic meats.

Humpheria wrote:I hate giblets and chitlins.

I figured lol

I never used to like them, but since they were forced upon me I tolerate them. I do really enjoy fried chicken livers though..

The Amarican Empire wrote:We know humpy we know :)

Bahahaha

The Amarican Empire wrote:We know humpy we know :)

ha.........................................ha...........................................................................................................................................ha

*crickets chirp*

Hallo passed the Hud act

Lib crushed the rights of the people and vetoed it jk.

No, no, no. Not happening.

No to us because we are not exotic enough? What about tsar he is pretty Exotic.

The Amarican Empire wrote:No to us because we are not exotic enough? What about tsar he is pretty Exotic.

Pevv:Amarican knock it off

Me: yes mr.Pevvalent

Another day another right of the people's crushed. *whistles "That's Life" by Frank Sinatra*

Here comes the Emperor.

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