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It's important to understand something. These anti-Fascist groups are only anti-Fascist because they're Communists. There's a reason you never see Gadsden flags or porcupines in Antifa mobs. They get no moral credit from me. They see Fascists as competition to their evil, ideological utopia.

Also, every official chapter of the Black Lives Matter organization, lends itself towards violence. The tenents of the organization are inherently revolutionary, calling for the destruction of Capitalism itself. Is it any wonder buissnesses, which are tangible representations of Capitalism, get targeted for theft and destruction?

I've seen how they operate, I participated in two marches. I thought perhaps I had been unfair to them and wanted to see for myself what it was like from their perspective. They bus people into communities that they don't live in, that rile up the crowd with rhetoric, then lead masked, destructive, operations.

They literally called us moving from one location to another, "marching orders." It's a few very malicious and charismatic people, manipulating thousands of well-intentioned locals who hate racism, as they should. They control the crowd like zombies and get them into intentionally confrontational situations.

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Ankerland, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:It's important to understand something. These anti-Fascist groups are only anti-Fascist because they're Communists. There's a reason you never see Gadsden flags or porcupines in Antifa mobs. They get no moral credit from me. They see Fascists as competition to their evil, ideological utopia.

Also, every official chapter of the Black Lives Matter organization, lends itself towards violence. The tenents of the organization are inherently revolutionary, calling for the destruction of Capitalism itself. Is it any wonder buissnesses, which are tangible representations of Capitalism, get targeted for theft and destruction?

I've seen how they operate, I participated in two marches. I thought perhaps I had been unfair to them and wanted to see for myself what it was like from their perspective. They bus people into communities that they don't live in, that rile up the crowd with rhetoric, then lead masked, destructive, operations.

They literally called us moving from one location to another, "marching orders." It's a few very malicious and charismatic people, manipulating thousands of well-intentioned locals who hate racism, as they should. They control the crowd like zombies and get them into intentionally confrontational situations.

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences. I for one do not know how representative your story is of the entire movement, but I’m sure you’re telling the truth about what you witnessed.

I remember the organization itself having Marxist roots, which is definitely something most of Libertatem’s residents will frown upon. You saying that they act as revolutionary anti-capitalists seems to corroborate that. As USOP said, it is worth distinguishing between the Black Lives Matter organization and the broader movement. I still found your story to be informative and if it is indeed representative, that is truly concerning.

Vichtander, The United States Of Patriots, Ankerland, Skaveria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:While the two are heavily interlinked, I think it is a mistake to view the Black Lives Matter movement as being synonymous with the Black Lives Matter (TM) organization.
Nothing happens in a vacuum. Replace BLM with any revolutionary agitation that is inherently flawed (denies basic human dignity to its adversaries) in its ideology from history to see if that holds. For example:

While the two are heavily interlinked, I think it is a mistake to view the National Socialist movement (the adherents of which are Nazis) as being synonymous with the National Socialist (NSDAP) organization. (The Jews are not us; they are them; and millions of people are murdered).

While the two are heavily interlinked, I think it is a mistake to view the Great Leap Forward movement (the adherents of which are Maoists) as being synonymous with the Great Leap Forward organization (CCP). (The land owners are not us; they are them; and over 10s of millions of people are murdered).

While the two are heavily interlinked, I think it is a mistake to view the GPP movement (the adherents of which are Colectivos) as being synonymous with the PSUV organization. (The greedy businessmen are not us; they are them; and 100s of thousands are dying and by the time they are through, over a million will be dead.

What you are implying is inevitably a distinction without a difference. BLM dehumanizes it rivals, Cops and those who support policing are not us; they are them. Scores of policemen, and civilians who support various modes of policing are dead in the wake of their agitation and they are not sorry. It is, in fact a part of their plan.

As a Marxist organization BLM will not and has no reason (in their twisted minds) of apologizing to those whose lives were destroyed or irreparably altered to their more important high and lofty goals of fixing the irrationally defined "racial justice" by burning everything down around them. No more than Leninists saw a need to apologize to the Kulaks, or Nazis to the Jews, or the Collectivos to the Venezuelan entrepreneurs, or Maoists apologize to the Manchu (and other non-Han they lumped in with "landowners" and) genocided.

Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:Corporations aren’t bad necessarily it’s just that some use lobbying to stifle their competition with burdensome regulations and high taxes. A truly free market would be rid of most regulations and taxes but keep corporations

The people forced into having to used corporations run the gamut from good to evil. The structure of corporatism imposed however is pure despotism. Businessmen should be free to use it or not as they see fit. However that option was taken away from us (in this part of the US) in the 1960s, and Progressivists (and their Neo-Con GOP counterparts) persist in strangling out free enterprise forms for those that are required by law to use their (the state's) creatures.

Lawful business = good no matter what form it takes: concern, entrepreneurship, partnership, company, corporation, industry, cooperative, etc. To force all forms of business into a corporate structure whether it is warranted or not denies free enterprise and forces all business into the Corporatist model espoused by Fabian Socialists and their Progressivist allies.

My biggest complaint is that Conservatives and Libertarians ignore the history of the movement and will defend it as though it were a legitimate form of free-enterprise, which by nature and definition is the very model of Statist intervention. They think that because government corporatism (indirect confiscation) is relatively more conservative than direct confiscation, it must be Conservative when it neither converses free enterprise, nor classical liberalism, and is in and of itself a quite illiberal concept.

Narland wrote:Nothing happens in a vacuum. Replace BLM with any revolutionary agitation that is inherently flawed (denies basic human dignity to its adversaries) in its ideology from history to see if that holds. For example:

While the two are heavily interlinked, I think it is a mistake to view the National Socialist movement (the adherents of which are Nazis) as being synonymous with the National Socialist (NSDAP) organization. (The Jews are not us; they are them; and millions of people are murdered).

While the two are heavily interlinked, I think it is a mistake to view the Great Leap Forward movement (the adherents of which are Maoists) as being synonymous with the Great Leap Forward organization (CCP). (The land owners are not us; they are them; and over 10s of millions of people are murdered).

While the two are heavily interlinked, I think it is a mistake to view the GPP movement (the adherents of which are Colectivos) as being synonymous with the PSUV organization. (The greedy businessmen are not us; they are them; and 100s of thousands are dying and by the time they are through, over a million will be dead.

What you are implying is inevitably a distinction without a difference. BLM dehumanizes it rivals, Cops and those who support policing are not us; they are them. Scores of policemen, and civilians who support various modes of policing are dead in the wake of their agitation and they are not sorry. It is, in fact a part of their plan.

As a Marxist organization BLM will not and has no reason (in their twisted minds) of apologizing to those whose lives were destroyed or irreparably altered to their more important high and lofty goals of fixing the irrationally defined "racial justice" by burning everything down around them. No more than Leninists saw a need to apologize to the Kulaks, or Nazis to the Jews, or the Collectivos to the Venezuelan entrepreneurs, or Maoists apologize to the Manchu (and other non-Han they lumped in with "landowners" and genocided.

This is playing in to the Black Lives Matter organizations hands to say that they are synonymous with the movement. If you were to read of the, since removed, "What We Believe" section from their website to the crowd at a peaceful march. I don't think you would be finding as much agreement as you would find if you read sections of Mein Kampf to a Nazi rally, or quotations from the Mao's Red Book to a group of CCP members. The analogy doesn't work as well when the movement isn't as ideological as the organization.

I do not think the majority of people who changed their profile pictures to a black square, for instance, are synonymous for chapter members of BLM.

Miencraft, Rateria, Ankerland

The United States Of Patriots wrote:This is playing in to the Black Lives Matter organizations hands to say that they are synonymous with the movement. If you were to read of the, since removed, "What We Believe" section from their website to the crowd at a peaceful march. I don't think you would be finding as much agreement as you would find if you read sections of Mein Kampf to a Nazi rally, or quotations from the Mao's Red Book to a group of CCP members. The analogy doesn't work as well when the movement isn't as ideological as the organization.

I do not think the majority of people who changed their profile pictures to a black square, for instance, are synonymous for chapter members of BLM.

No it is not. It is the same dialectic determinism all despots use to confuse (and confound) the issue. Anyone with a black square share the blame for the evil committed in its name, just as any young pioneer who wore a red scarf is to a degree culpable in the murder of millions by Communists; any German who wore a swastika, same with colectivos, maoists, ad naseum.

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BLM fools people into believing it’s about protecting black lives, in reality it is a violent wing of the globalists in their efforts to create a NWO. By targeting local police they can make an excuse to usher in the UN control they desire.

Narland, Skaveria, Miri Islands

I apologize. I spent days trying to cut this down to just a few paragraphs. I know it is still huge. Thank you for your patience.

Rateria wrote:So Black Lives Matter is based on evil?

Uniquivocably so, yes. When black children (on more than one occasion) were shot and killed (murdered) at their "protests" BLM did nothing to condemn the incidents. Silence is violence. (More accurately, silence implies consent). The lives of Black parents and their children do not matter. In fact their website stated that one of their goals is to disrupt the nuclear family. One cannot get more disruptive to a family than ignore the condemnation of someone attending your protest who shoots someone's little one's in the face. Their lives do not matter.

Comments about this was deflected by BLM about them being about police brutality (what they call racial justice), specifically Blacks killed by White Police, further supporting the claim that their agenda is based on racism. Yet no comment was made about black police officers who died during the riots they provoked either. Black Police Officer's lives and their families do not matter either.

Obviously to BLM, the only Black lives that matter are lives whoa deaths can be narrated into agiprop conducive to their agenda of burning everything to the ground. Being well trained Marxists is something the leadership of BLM has boasted about. This is totally consistent with Marxist weighs and means throughout history.

BLM also supports Planned Parenthood's depopulation of Blacks in America through Leftist abortion mills. Over half of the black children are aborted each year -- think about that (53%). The most natural place in the world where a baby should be safest is the most dangerous place for a black baby in urban America 2020 as less than half make it out alive. BLM agrees with Progressivist (and National Socialist) Margaret Sanger that their lives do not matter either.

Rateria wrote:I wouldn’t call a movement based on fighting racism evil
Nor do I. But BLM [tm] is not based on objectively fighting racism (that humans of certain races (or a certain "race") is more human (or superior) than others). BLM is based on using racism to foster hatred of police to foment civil unrest to promote Marxist ends. They are thoroughly and inextricably corrupt in their moral reasoning, and their ends are lawlessness.

Rateria wrote:, but I don’t think that’s what you’re saying. You yourself have condemned racism multiple times. You criticized LBJ earlier for sending a lot of young black men to their deaths via the Vietnam War, if I remember correctly. From what I’m getting, you consider fighting racism to be good, but this specific movement to be bad.
Fighting racism is good. Using racism to fight racism is utter damnfoolery.

Racism boils down to the belief that homo sapiens sapiens is not inherently non-homogeneous (sorry for the double negative); or the lack of belief that humanity is a homogeneous species combined with the notion that some subsets of humanity because of some perceived immutable characteristics not shared by others, cannot thus relate to those others, with one subset being preferred because of said perceived immutable characteristics. It expresses itself as a treatment of that divides humanity into genetically "more human/more humane" and "less human/less than human" that creates a wrongly derived us-verses them mentality that is not based on our humanity. OC, this is wrong on all levels.

To believe that humanity can be divided into genetically (both generic and biological senses) "more-human" and genetically "less human" sub-types is the height of willful ignorance. To conflate it with politics takes a hatred for one's fellow man based to even higher levels of delusion and avarice. Only delusional people think they can run other people's lives better than the person themselves because they are more human or more humane that the fellow humans they are lording over. Only dangerous sociopaths will burn, loot, pillage, rape, and murder to prove the rightness of their actions. Just because someone politically disagrees with someone else NEVER justifies treating political opponents as inhuman because of their immutable characteristics. BLM is one such group.

By race I am not making an anthropological argument sociologically (thus based on political opinion of manipulated statistics) that race is blah blah this culture, or blah blah that group; but they cannot (and never will) find causation let alone direct correlation between genetic makeup and innumerate ideological decisions make by the peoples and their ancestors of a culture that brought them to the point of civilization, barbarism, or savagery. These things are all ideological, independent of one's breeding and immutable attributes, and best left to the anthropologists studying how disparate groups of our homogeneous species inculcate the common graces of truth, justice, and beauty to make sense of the world.

Rateria wrote:What do leftists have to do with Dred Scott’s ruling? I don’t quite see the relationship here.

Republicans were the right wing radicals who were willing to fight a bloody civil war to disenfranchise the Democrats (the Leftists) of their Slaves.

Rateria wrote:While I’m sure you personally want to be left alone and live by your vision of freedom,
I expect to be left the hell alone because of the Supreme Law of this land that states so. I have a reasonable expectation that the public servants will do their due diligence to uphold their oath of office to do the same. My vision of freedom is irrelevant to those who wish to deny us the right to be left alone unmolested from force or fraud. This is the point of contention -- despots and tyrants cannot leave people be. This battle must be fought each generation, or they will lose what has been gained.

Rateria wrote:I wouldn’t say all right-wingers want what you want and act peacefully. As I’ve pointed out before, the US has had plenty of right-wing violence within the past few decades or so, and that fatalities from these incidents exceed those of left-wing ones. The El Paso Shooting, Tree of Life Synagogue Shooting, Unite the Right Rally, and Oklahoma City Bombing certainly aren’t instances of peaceful right-wing activities. I mention these with the caveat that this does not mean that all right-leaning people are violent, and that not all right-wingers are unhinged racists and anti-Semites.

And those that are actually right wing -- advocating more liberty, more freedom, and more individual self-government are rightly and soundly condemned --each and every time they violate someone else's life liberty and property.

The problem with Progressivist Leftists, is they castigate anyone who disagrees with their peculiar form of Marxian directives as "right wing" even if those groups hold to obviously left-wing ideology, or no coherent ideology at all. The right wing in America historically has insisted vociferously that there is one race- the human race. That racism is a political fiction used to enslave others. That involuntary servitude is wrong forever and always, and that every person be given their duly constituted rights, privileges, and immunities to their life, liberty, and property, each and every one. No Republican has ever owned a slave. No Republican can be a white supremacist -- they will be disowned and ostracized -- even in 2020. Only in cases where the courts ruled that a non-republican can run as a republican (such as KKK David Duke). Just because a democrat judge ruled that Duke could run as a GOP did not make him welcome within the local Republican party and they denied him association even as he ran as a (R).

The El Paso shooter was disaffected from both the Democrat Party and the Republican Party. He was a mentally ill person who wasn't taking his anti-psychotics, and whose doctors were unable to stablilze him. That he is an existential nihilist after the manner of Camus distances him further from any coherent right-wing ideology. The concept of killing Mexicans (and Americans of Mexican descent) to deter Mexico from retaking the southwestern States is incoherent. It denies the very principles of republicanism (little r) which is the the basis of justice is to begin by treating others the way one themselves would want to be treated. Denying anyone their lives (without due process of law) is certainly illiberal, and thus not what Conservatives are conserving (Classical Liberalism). He is a mentally insane individual who should have been on his meds, or confined to an insane asylum. Had the EPS been an officer in the GOP, or a leader with a Tea Party group, he would have been instantly condemned by republicans in the GOP (they all call themselves republicans, but most are really Whigs and Moderates (Moderately Socialist)) -- but soundly condemned regardless.

The Synagogue Shooter left the conservative movement and joined a White Supremacist organization of anti-Semitic neonazis. To call him right wing is disingenuous as National Socialists and all the baggage that comes with it is left-wing (government control vs individual self-government). The fact that he could not govern himself to safeguard the life, liberty, and property of others, clearly impeaches any claim that he is right-wing.

Do you see the problem here? To be a conservative right wing in the American sense, not only must one advance truth, justice, and liberty. One must advance truth justice and liberty by being true, just, and liberal (grant others liberty). In order to be consistently traditionally American Right-Wing Conservative, conservatives are conserving just this -- truth, justice, and liberty by means of respecting the rights of others to life, liberty, and property. Those who cannot do so, cannot be consistently Right-Wing Conservative in the American sense and certainly not a Right-Wing Conservative Evangelical Christian in the American sense. Any inconsistencies will be denounced, because it is the right thing to do.

However, if you perceive them as right wing (I consider them criminally insane dangers regardless), I do disavow them, their actions, and their inconsistent behaviour with, for, and to the radical right-wing republican conservatism that fights against perpetrating force and fraud upon others. They who cannot grant life, liberty, and property to others are not conserving Classical Liberalism but something other.

Miri Islands

Narland wrote:Snip.

Narland is building a wall (of text) and he is going to make Rateria pay for it.

Joking aside I agree with some of what you said and disagree with others. For instance you state that those who are right-wing advocate for "more liberty, more freedom, and more individual self-government"

The right-wing isn't a monolith. I get that in America our politics are generally on a binary between left and right, but that doesn't capture the full view of what is on the left or right. A Mike Lee or Rand Paul right-winger is not the same as a Trump right-winger or a Ron Paul right-winger. Nor are any of those the same as a fascists right-winger. I think our resident fascist tupolite will heartedly agree with me on that much. The Authoritarian Right is still the right-wing.

Miencraft, Auxorii, Rateria, Ankerland

Re: The right-wing isn't a monolith is an irrelevant statement.

The right wing of the US is an ideology -- the conservation of Classical Liberalism (a coherent system of theology, law, philosophy, jurisprudence, and universals which must be adhered in order to participate in conducting oneself as such.) Those who match that ideology belong to it. Those who do not, cannot belong to it, no matter how they or others protest, and some doth protest too much. Freedom, justice, and peace with that particular foundation articulated in previous posts. Those who deny others their life, liberty, or property in the name of furthering life, liberty, and property cannot be right-wing because they deny the very right-wing methodology (extreme liberty with unrelenting justice/due process) that guarantees those rights, privileges, and immunities for each and every individual who socially contract into Citizenship.

Miri Islands

Narland wrote:Re: The right-wing isn't a monolith.

The right wing of the US is an ideology -- the conservation of Classical Liberalism (a coherent system of theology, law, philosophy, jurisprudence, and universals which must be adhered in order to participate in conducting oneself as such.) Those who match that ideology belong to it. Those who do not, cannot belong to it, no matter how they or others protest, and some doth protest too much. Freedom, justice, and peace with that particular foundation articulated in previous posts. Those who deny others their life, liberty, or property in the name of furthering life, liberty, and property cannot be right-wing because they deny the very methodology that guarantees those rights.

Again, Classical Liberalism is not the only ideology that falls in the right-wing. Just because a plurality of those on the right in America fall into a specific category does not limit the category of right-wing to just that ideology.

Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria, Ankerland, Jadentopian Order, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Theology has literally nothing to do with the right wing or classical liberalism

Unfortunately.

Jadentopian Order

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Theology has literally nothing to do with the right wing or classical liberalism

It kinda does, Judeo-Christian principles of the individual being a devine center of the Logos. That's fairly unique to our enlightenment values.

Narland

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Theology has literally nothing to do with the right wing or classical liberalism

Very true, we see the lines between ideology and theology blurred alot especially with socialism and race theory

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Again, Classical Liberalism is not the only ideology that falls in the right-wing. Just because a plurality of those on the right in America fall into a specific category does not limit the category of right-wing to just that ideology.

Yes. Yes it does. You were not listening (reading). The right wing means something specific because Conservatism is based on a specific ideology that is defined by the American Experiment itself -- the right-wing of the spectrum as Extreme Liberty with relenting justice by constitutional due process. (Conservation of Classical Liberalism) All ideologies that oppose classical liberalism are on the Left because only Classical Liberalism (and its Objectivist Libertarian sibling) advocate Extreme Liberty as a matter of Law and Justice --that is as far right as one can get without circling around to Totalitarianism/Authoritarianism (Despotism). Everything else other than individual anarchy can only be to the Left.

In the United States the political spectrum has three elements none of which use Socialism as a pole. It is only the European political spectrum where there is only Socialism in the Spectrum. National Socialista are on the Right, and International Socialists are on the Left, and all the other Socialists are somewhere in between. Non-Socialists are lumped into a useless Centre Right Category that is functionally meaningless. That doesn't work for America. Totalitarianism/Authoritarianism is on the Left and Anarchy is on the right.

The Politics of Liberty: Tyranny (abuse of lawful authority) --- Liberty (recognition that lawful authority consists only in justly stopping of force and fraud being perpetrated on the individual and that individual's person) --- Anarchy (No authority).

The right-wing in America leans as close to anarchy within individual liberty as is lawfully possible without chaos ensuing, and eschews abuse by external governance. The left wing leans toward authoritarianism/totalitarianism whenever the people are amenable to being taxed and spent for X government over-regulatory program that (unless it involves killing people and breaking things which governments historically excel at,) the private sector of self-governing individuals can almost always do more efficiently. Even some (Anarcho-capitalists) in particular will argue that armies can be privatized. I am skeptical, so am a Minarchist when it comes to standing armies, but am an Anarcho-capitalist on nearly everything else. More external government means farther left (Socialism by definition is government ownership of the means of production -- not individuals owning their own means of production Liberty. Anarchy in the good sense is extreme liberty also.

The Politics of Federalism: Centralization/Nationalization --- Federalism --- Local Tribalism

The Right Wing of the US leans as close to autonomous self-governance as is possible. The Left wing of the US leans as close to central/nationalized authority as much as possible. Federalism is supposed to be a golden mean: The Federal Govt is delegated 17 specific things (mostly relating to stopping invasion and insurrection, scientific progress (including standardization of weights/measures), and allowing the People as individuals to engage readily in foreign commerce by making free enterprise a regular thing (how far we have fallen). My State is delegated 126 specific things mostly dealing with securing my rights, having a just and fair legal system, and making sure the governor doesn't hurt himself with sharp pointy objects. My community has delegated to my county over 5000 special functions from fire and ambulance to all sorts of infrastructure which comes out of my taxes -- I make up for it by ordering lots of inter-library loan books to check out each month.

It is quite obvious that leftists hate this arrangement and want to destroy the very notion of Federalism in our Country. The right wing is confused on the issue but generally sides with Articles IX and X more times than not, or circle the wagons with Tea Party movements (local tribalism). .

The Politics of Constitution. The far-left hates the Constitution. One of the reasons is that it is a bulwark against tyranny of which Socialism is one. The far-right loves the Constitution because the document itself is conserving Classical Liberalism. The Constitution is about limiting external government and giving individuals extreme liberty so that they can enjoy their life, liberty, and property with due process (recognizing everyone else's life liberty and property. I repeat myself. Those who cannot respect other people's right to life, liberty, and property by definition cannot be US right-wing.

In US political jurisprudence liberty, federalism, and constitution coincide as a golden mean. Only the right adheres to this arrangement. Those who abandoned Classical Liberalism (a system allowing each and every individual their dignity as a human being) completely for Socialism, Centralization, and unconstitutional governance gravitate to the left. One cannot by definition be right-wing if they deny others their Constitutional rights. If one does not believe in the Constitution (thus recognizing everyone's constitutional right to justice (not being defrauded or coerced) one cannot be right-wing in the United States. Period.

Those who call abusers of other human beings right-wing (except in cases where they are failing to live up American Right ideology) do not know what they are talking about. The only group further right are Libertarians, and the NAP coincides with the Right's Golden Rule (treat others as you yourself want to be treated).

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Theology has literally nothing to do with the right wing or classical liberalism

Prove me wrong. :) I know you know better. One cannot read our Framers and the books they recommended without getting a barrage of Evangelical Theology from Knox, Puffendorf, Newton, Edwards, Rousseau, Blackstone, Sidney, Locke, not to mention our Founders themselves -- including the two least Christian Jefferson and Franklin who routinely quoted the Bible (and Evangelical Christian principles) and whose Deism did not detract from the dignity of the human individual -- the dignity of which coincides with the Westminster Confession, the 39 Articles, and built on the Renaissance, Reformation/Counter-Reformation, and Enlightenment Christianity -- and the concept that each individual is an autonomous being made in the image and likeness of God, who are imbued with certain inaleniable rights, of which Kings and milkmaids have equal footing with everyone else. Nothing in the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, Constitution etc., runs contrary to sound Evangelical Christianity and is subsequently amenable to it. The theology of Classical Liberalism is squarely that of Evangelical Christianity.

Narland wrote:Yes. Yes it does. You were not listening (reading). The right wing means something specific because Conservatism is based on a specific ideology that is defined by the American Experiment itself --

No - politics is not only confined to the United States. Conservatism has existed long before 1776 and if anything, the founders would’ve been considered as leftists due to their opposition of monarchy.

Vichtander, Rateria, Jadentopian Order, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Auxorii wrote:No - politics is not only confined to the United States. Conservatism has existed long before 1776 and if anything, the founders would’ve been considered as leftists due to their opposition of monarchy.

But muh hardlined sectarianism >:(

Auxorii, Rateria

Narland wrote:

In the United States the political spectrum has three elements none of which use Socialism as a pole. It is only the European political spectrum where there is only Socialism in the Spectrum. National Socialista are on the Right, and International Socialists are on the Left, and all the other Socialists are somewhere in between. Non-Socialists are lumped into a useless Centre Right Category that is functionally meaningless. That doesn't work for America. Totalitarianism/Authoritarianism is on the Left and Anarchy is on the right.

Yes, the totalitarian Democrats who will abolish private property and nationalize all corporations by... taking millions in donations from... corporations...? No no, this can't be right... The Democrats are going to establish a Stalinist regime by... voting in Joe Biden, who has promised to socialize our healthcare system by... scaling up employer insurance...? This just sounds off. I'm sure there's something about replacing Joe Biden with a diabolical triumvirate of Bernie Sanders, AOC, and the rotting corpse of Eugene Debs in there somewhere. What about the liberty loving Republicans who are going to launch a mass guerilla campaign against these Godless Communists by... also taking millions from PACs and corporations...? That doesn't matter though, what's really important is that they are going to... to... yell really hard about meaningless culture war drivel that will definitely win them the election!

Oh and those god-damn far left Scandinavians who've mass-collectivized their economies in order to... still rely heavily on private industry with a kind-of larger public sector than the US.

I think I just might be on to something here.

Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria

Communism is the very definition of failure.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands

Democracy is non-negotiable.

Auxorii, Rateria

Communism, the very definition of evil.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Only together can we stop the spread of Communism.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

My fellow ‘Tatemites, let me affirm to you all,

So long as I am President, Libertatem will never fall to the authoritarian threat - be it fascism, communism or monarchism. I will never be under any communist influences, and you all know better than I than I will never sell out my beliefs or my people.

The threat of tyranny is crushed under the heel of Lady Liberty, long live Libertatem!

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Communism is the very definition of failure.

Ain’t he right?

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Post by Jadentopian Order suppressed by Auxorii.

Jadentopian Order

I must come clean.

In the past few months, I have been involved in what some might call, a "deep-state" operation. The goal of this operation was to influence the government of Libertatem to succumb to the red specter of Communism. I will not go into details as most of the information is irrelevant, but what you must know, is that I have a list of each member of Libertatem who I successfully convinced to act as Marxist Communists, specifically Marxist-Leninism. From here, I will list each member and the praxis they have done to forward my glorious agenda.

Auxorii: Successfully convinced to follow the immortal science of Marxist-Leninism (Voted for Joe Biden, spread Marxist propaganda in the Discord server)

Rateria: Successfully convinced (Voted for Joe Biden, convinced to start shoplifting)

Patriots: Rejected my agenda (Still voted for Joe Biden, convinced to switch from Dunkin Donuts to Starbucks [marxist coffee shop])

Tupolite: Successfully convinced (Became a femboy)

The People's Revolutionary Council of Communtatem thanks these agents for their service.

Auxorii, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:I must come clean.

In the past few months, I have been involved in what some might call, a "deep-state" operation. The goal of this operation was to influence the government of Libertatem to succumb to the red specter of Communism. I will not go into details as most of the information is irrelevant, but what you must know, is that I have a list of each member of Libertatem who I successfully convinced to act as Marxist Communists, specifically Marxist-Leninism. From here, I will list each member and the praxis they have done to forward my glorious agenda.

Auxorii: Successfully convinced to follow the immortal science of Marxist-Leninism (Voted for Joe Biden, spread Marxist propaganda in the Discord server)

Rateria: Successfully convinced (Voted for Joe Biden, convinced to start shoplifting)

Patriots: Rejected my agenda (Still voted for Joe Biden, convinced to switch from Dunkin Donuts to Starbucks [marxist coffee shop])

Tupolite: Successfully convinced (Became a femboy)

The People's Revolutionary Council of Communtatem thanks these agents for their service.

SO TRUE!

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:SO TRUE!

Nonsense.

Tupolite is as masculine as they come.

All lies. Sad!

I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Auxorii wrote:Nonsense.

Tupolite is as masculine as they come.

All lies. Sad!

I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!

SAD! Communist Aux (As One Libertatem News Network has started calling him!) thinks he can get away with LYING to the people of COMMUNTATEM.

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:SAD! Communist Aux (As One Libertatem News Network has started calling him!) thinks he can get away with LYING to the people of COMMUNTATEM.

GAYden is only mad that he has no power, and he never will! Power is mine, do you understand? MINE, MINE, MINE!!!!1!

Rateria

Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic femboys and Chads. The modern champions of communism have selected this as the time. And, ladies and gentlemen, the chips are down—they are truly down. While I cannot take the time to name all the men in the Regional Government who have been named as members of the Communist Party and members of a spy ring, I have here in my hand a list of 205. The red menace has its creeping tentacles in every aspect of our government! The intelligence agencies of the red threat are working to subvert out people, our government, and our very way of life! The influence of the PRCC must be combated and exposed, this cannot be allowed to stand! I DEMAND immediate investigations in order to weed out and dispose of these communists subversionaries. ACTION NOW!

Auxorii, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Auxorii wrote:GAYden

Ok that's a low blow.

Auxorii, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic femboys and Chads. The modern champions of communism have selected this as the time. And, ladies and gentlemen, the chips are down—they are truly down. While I cannot take the time to name all the men in the Regional Government who have been named as members of the Communist Party and members of a spy ring, I have here in my hand a list of 205. The red menace has its creeping tentacles in every aspect of our government! The intelligence agencies of the red threat are working to subvert out people, our government, and our very way of life! The influence of the PRCC must be combated and exposed, this cannot be allowed to stand! I DEMAND immediate investigations in order to weed out and dispose of these communists subversionaries. ACTION NOW!

Yes! I will personally undertake this investigation myself, and when I come to a conclusion, you will all know!

Rateria

In order to curb the growth of regional Communism we must fund the counter revolutionaries in Evil Genius Land in order to maintain peace, slow the spread of communism, and maintain our banana supply

Auxorii, Rateria

WARNING: communistic anti gov cells detected

DEATH SQUAD : active

Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Evil Genius Land wrote:WARNING: communistic anti gov cells detected

DEATH SQUAD : active

We must fund this

Evil Genius Land's strategic value is absolute. The Communists must be denied the banana supply in order to keep our soldier better nourished with potassium.

Rateria

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The Imperial Union Of Scandinavia

Auxorii

It’s become apparent that, for some strange reason, your delegate has chosen to close our embassy on the basis of the The Commonwealth Of Crowns being a Monarchist region?

This has had no bearing on our relations before, and though we’ve since stopped interacting with each other, our regions share history with one another. I would ask that you reconsider your decision, or please open discussion with us so that we may prevent the embassy’s closure.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

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Borduriaa

The Imperial Union Of Scandinavia wrote:Auxorii

It’s become apparent that, for some strange reason, your delegate has chosen to close our embassy on the basis of the The Commonwealth Of Crowns being a Monarchist region?

This has had no bearing on our relations before, and though we’ve since stopped interacting with each other, our regions share history with one another. I would ask that you reconsider your decision, or please open discussion with us so that we may prevent the embassy’s closure.

They have given the reason to Osberg that they are closing embassies because we are monarchist. Libertatem has lost their purpose.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

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The Imperial Union Of Scandinavia

Borduriaa wrote:They have given the reason to Osberg that they are closing embassies because we are monarchist. Libertatem has lost their purpose.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Your immediate adoption of Marxism-Leninism.

So you’re to tell me that Libertatem can’t respect the internal politics of our region, like you have for the past (for as long as I’ve been in the Commonwealth, at least) 4 or 5 years?

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

The Imperial Union Of Scandinavia wrote:Auxorii

It’s become apparent that, for some strange reason, your delegate has chosen to close our embassy on the basis of the The Commonwealth Of Crowns being a Monarchist region?

This has had no bearing on our relations before, and though we’ve since stopped interacting with each other, our regions share history with one another. I would ask that you reconsider your decision, or please open discussion with us so that we may prevent the embassy’s closure.

The reason is that you’re a monarchist region. I am not sure what is so strange about this - we are a libertarian region and under my administration there will be no dealings with monarchists, communists or fascists.

Your region’s reaction to my closure of the embassies was to ban me from the region (lol) and to say we’re irrelevant - and then accusations we are under communist infiltration. Even if there was opportunity to stop the closure of the embassy, that opportunity is now lost - especially with these recent RMB postings.

Borduriaa wrote:They have given the reason to Osberg that they are closing embassies because we are monarchist. Libertatem has lost their purpose.

Point proven. Why would I want an embassy with you people?

Weird... I thought I had revoked posting privileges from other regions...

Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:And all Americans are guilty of the crimes of the US government, without exception. Wave that flag and you’re guilty like Obama.
Every official of the US government swears to uphold a document (The US Constitution) that guarantees limited government, due process, and that the right to life, liberty and property of the people be respected. Any US government official who violates any person's rights is in violation of their oath of office and is guilty of a felony (deprivation of rights under color of law/authority and includes misprision of felony for any officer or agent which allows such, ignores it, or covers it up which is also a felony).

Any American who does not call out the US government servants when they forswear themselves share in the guilt of the oath breakers to the extent of their involvement and their ability to countermand the treachery. Calling Bush out for being a war criminal and having the International Court of Justice review his actions was one of the few things the Leftists have done in this country that was on the right side of history. The Administrative Staters that lied to Bush and fed him the false information that led to the war crimes are still at large. They were never prosecuted. They are still in the Swamp, and need to be rooted out.

I may not be able to stop the corruption in DC, or Missouri (places I do not want to live as imnsho they are Leftist hell-holes of which I encourage people to leave) but I can (and do) scream bloody murder (or the equivalent) when jack booted thugs try to deprive anyone of their life, liberty, and property in my county, and State in particular and nationwide when news reaches here.

My Congressmen know exactly how I feel about the Potomac Swamp and the evil that resides there. They know exactly what needs to be done to lawfully return to being a free country. I do engage in the right to protest the government and give petition for redress grievance constantly. Every person should. Protesting is giving demonstration with a legal remonstrance for consideration. Rioting is not protesting. Rioting is committing an act or terror.

We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. -- Lincoln

Only individuals have conscience, and only individuals with conscience can stop tyrants, oligarchs, and mobs from doing the unconscionable.

Miri Islands

Auxorii wrote:under my administration there will be no dealings with ... communists or fascists.

🤔

Miencraft, Auxorii

Auxorii wrote:The reason is that you’re a monarchist region. I am not sure what is so strange about this - we are a libertarian region and under my administration there will be no dealings with monarchists, communists or fascists.

Your region’s reaction to my closure of the embassies was to ban me from the region (lol) and to say we’re irrelevant - and then accusations we are under communist infiltration. Even if there was opportunity to stop the closure of the embassy, that opportunity is now lost - especially with these recent RMB postings.

Point proven. Why would I want an embassy with you people?

Weird... I thought I had revoked posting privileges from other regions...

There is nothing mutually exclusive with monarchism and libertarianism this is so dumb especially coming from a Catholic

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:There is nothing mutually exclusive with monarchism and libertarianism this is so dumb especially coming from a Catholic

?

Rateria

The New Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:There is nothing mutually exclusive with monarchism and libertarianism this is so dumb especially coming from a Catholic

I sort of agree; it's the actions and policies of an administration that determines whether it is authoritarian or libertarian, not the nature by which that administration is decided, to an extent.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

I feel I must express my displeasure with the number of suppressed posts recently. Jaden's was a joke. I get that. But when it comes to actual serious usage, even from places we are removing embassies from, I do not support suppression. Full stop. I will hope that the president will note this objection and take it in to consideration in the future.

Shallowell, Narland, Auxorii, Vichtander, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I feel I must express my displeasure with the number of suppressed posts recently. Jaden's was a joke. I get that. But when it comes to actual serious usage, even from places we are removing embassies from, I do not support suppression. Full stop. I will hope that the president will note this objection and take it in to consideration in the future.

My reasoning for suppressing those from outside our region honestly stem from my belief that I had already revoked posting privileges from outsiders - it was a mistake on my part that they were able to post to begin with.

Alternatively, I didn’t think it would be productive to argue with people that clearly don’t have a desire for fruitful conversation or have those that would disrespect our region in such ways posting on our RMB - which is just that, our regional messaging board.

I hope you can all understand why I took those actions, but you have my word that next time I will remember the bad taste it leaves and I will refrain from suppression unless I find it absolutely necessary.

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

the region is now paleocontatem by my orders

Suzi Island wrote:the region is now paleocontatem by my orders

Éiretatem shall never fall.

Auxorii wrote:Éiretatem shall never fall.

What an odd way to spell Albatatem.

Auxorii

Vichtander wrote:What an odd way to spell Albatatem.

Cymraegtatem>

Highway Eighty-Eight

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christ you lot are autistic

Auxorii, Ankerland, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eighty-Eight

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To quote Fight Club (and the tagline of the best libertarian blog Zero Hedge) "On a long.enough timeline the survival rate of everyone falls to zero"

Trump has already made plans that if he doesn't win in the courts, to run again in 2024. What do you think are the odds of him winning the nomination again, and do you think his potential loss will change his messege?

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Miksii wrote:Oh god I really hope he doesn't run again. He should have never entered politics in the first place.

I disagree, I supported him in 2016 and he was my second choice in 2020 behind Jorgensen. I only favored him in 2016 because Johnson was just Republican-lite, might as well have wrote in Jeb Bush, and Trump ran a faux-conservatarian campaign. I thought he was basically Rand Paul with more border control.

Narland

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Miksii wrote:I disagree with the use of the word "gay" to denote something negative. However I do believe it to be slightly ironic to use what is in essence an inverted French tricolor and then form a non-secular government.

**just a note, I accidently suppressed - didn’t mean to click it. I’m on mobile**

This government is secular. It’s not Catholic. I am just Catholic. He’s just being him, don’t mind it or feed him too much.

Rateria, Miksii

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If it means anything, I’m in like the top 5% of gayest people here and also top like 1% of most Communist here and I use gay all the time to make fun of stuff.

Rateria

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Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:Related;

Jadentopian Order and I are gonna start a new Anti-Gay party to combat the LGB Mafia that clearly dominates our region.

Why would I do that

Miksii wrote:Vibes. I do it ironically, because I'm Bi. Though I would never do so in a serious manner. That would just be ignorant.

Yeah same, I’m not some self hating gay, it’s just fun

Auxorii, Rateria, Miksii

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so glad that authoritarianism goes up when I make it more difficult for a defendant to be convicted. damn "believe all victims" bleedin' hearts.

Auxorii, Rateria

The States Of Balloon wrote:so glad that authoritarianism goes up when I make it more difficult for a defendant to be convicted. damn "believe all victims" bleedin' hearts.

I had an issue regarding the value added tax, I chose to abolish it and my tax rates went up.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

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Miksii wrote:So I'm guessing you know everyone who writes the issues on a personal basis? You sound angry my dude.

it's called deduction ya knobhead

Auxorii, The New Icelandic Commonwealth, Highway Eighty-Eight

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Miksii wrote:Honestly your comedy routine needs some work it just ain't all that original and as a result it's pretty boring. Better luck next time bro.

Also can I get "Anti-social cigarette" on a t-shirt somewhere? 🤔

Calling people bro? Wanting "Anti-social cigarette" on a t-shirt? Sounds like we got some faux-alt, crustpunk scrub on the messege board boys!

Nah but seriously, we're a typically pro-gay region with one noticeable exception. I'm Bi myself, but I will roast you for starving Ukrainians if you're a Commie.

Vichtander, Rateria

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Skaveria wrote:...one noticeable exception...

Who?

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:But no popery

Such a scared, sad man. No wonder you need freemasonry in your life.

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I’m not anti-gay at all, which should be obvious to all our members.

You're not who I was talking about, I was talking about that guy who's "Italian" but isn't he Middle Eastern? Let's split the difference and call him Macedonian. That's how that works right?

Auxorii, Rateria, The New Icelandic Commonwealth

Skaveria wrote:You're not who I was talking about, I was talking about that guy who's "Italian" but isn't he Middle Eastern? Let's split the difference and call him Macedonian. That's how that works right?

Oh right, our Arab friend.

The New Icelandic Commonwealth

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Social democracy and the Nordic model is gay

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Miksii wrote:I'm a SocDem. I do think Marx had some good ideas but they are more relevant in the context of sociology and not so much economics. A good example would be the concept of alienation.

I completely agree with this. Marx had great diagnoses’ of the ills and flaws of capitalist society — but not only are his solutions impossible but they are also insanely outdated at this point; and the class of proletariat virtually doesn’t even exist in western countries thanks to the successes of capitalism.

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