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I am an anarchist
Pevvania
Alright, gonna piss everybody off here real quick. Anarcho-Capitalism is NOT Anarchism, here's why: To be An-Archist means to be Anti-Hier-ARCHY. That's the classical and technical definition of Anarchism. It's only in modern times that it's become a synonym for anti-state.
So to be an Anarchist, one must be against the state, private property, and Capitalism, as they all are or create hierarchy. Even Murry Rothbard is quoted as saying "We are not Anarchists, nor are we Archists, rather we are Non-Archists." Libertarianism is against arbitrary, artificial hierarchies, like the state, but we make exception for natural hierarchies generated though voluntary exchange.
The problem comes when it comes time to enforce the Anarchism. Seeing as though they make no distinction between artificial and natural hierarchies, they must somehow forcibly eradicate things which weren't created by force. If their revolutionaries have a monopoly on force in such a way as to do that, they de facto have created a state.
Anarcho-Capitalism, while not technically Anarchism, would resemble much more closely what people associate with the term "Anarchism." Which has just come to mean "absence of a state."
The reason I myself am not an Anarcho-Capitalist, is that the NAP would inevitably break down with different, competing, private court systems interpreting it differently. If laws can be interpreted differently to an extent that they no longer apply, then those laws don't really exist, they become mere suggestions at that point, and we'd return to a state of barbarism.
Also, the state is an inevitable phenomenon, it's pointless to advocate against it, it's like advocating against breathing. Any group of people, with a decision making mechanism and a monopoly on power within that group is in it's nature a state.
Hell, Rick's group on The Walking Dead was a state. Rick was the benevolent king with his group of trusted advisors. They had dedicated warriors and dedicated farmers. All the classic markers of a state.
Pevvania, Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, Miri Islands
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True, I'd ammend the word natural for the word forced.
Finally someone gets it
Narland
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>be jewish deepstate leader
>leave clues of my coming conquests in literally everything i touch
Some people really think that the Jewish deepstate is run by a Batman villian
Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria
I guess Pierre-Joseph Proudhon was a gamer then.
Pevvania, Jadentopian Order
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Rateria
I mean, ultimately I dont think theres any way to know how successful it would be- however I do not think a nation, especially one with the history and systems the United States has would be capable of transitioning to anarchocapitalism.
I dont understand how more guns is the answer. So to enforce decisions the best way is to use violence or the threat of violence, as a government would. You didnt like the definition I used for anarchism, but if we used yours of being free of defined territory and involentary association we can see how your depiction of anarchocapitalism just fails to meet realitys standards. I understand youre not an anarchist and I never actually claimed that anarcho-communism would work better than anarcho-capitalism. I think anarchism is best used how Bakunin utilized it, as a strategy of revolution through syndicated unions. Even this would only be possible on a small scale however.
Anarcho-communism would however work better than anarcho-capitalism, as everything we diagnosed as the ills of anarchism (the possibility and inevitably the rise of war lords, lack of community and decision enforcement) is almost exclusive to a capitalist anarchism. Anarcho-capitalism stresses individualism, materialism and would have to have a sort of vigilante style system of justice, things where our ills would be far more likely to come about. Anarcho-communism however stresses the opposite: it stresses unity and values the collective, it values working and unionization and everything but materialism.
Also, there have actually been anarcho-communist societies; there havent been anarcho-capitalist (as its stupid and impossible). Revolutionary Catalonia, Anarchist Ukraine and the Paris Communes are all examples of anarcho-communism. Successful examples at that.
Jadentopian Order
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Vigilante justice is preferable to Communism.
Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Tupolite, Miri Islands
Vigilante justice just means whoever has the bigger army wins.
This is why anarchism of any stripe is retarded
I do not think those to are mutually exclusive
Vigilante justice cannot but be exclusive to Communism. Communism has one goal -- establish the Socialist processes (via swift and violent revolution) so that bourgeoisie society (e.g., the American Middle Class) is destroyed and the new man can rise out of the ashes. All semblance of moral order (the God ordained inherent right of the people as individuals of the right to life, liberty, and property) not being conducive to the transformation (by all "rational" means necessary including to lie, cheat, steal, murder and terrorize as long as the end (Utopian Society) is realized) becomes justice in name only.
Vigilante justice steps (strongly) in when disorder (especially planned chaos conducive to the Revolution) and perpetual disorder (that Communists need to cause to rationalize their Revolution) from the Bourgeoisie Middle Class moral sensibilities of objective Truth, Justice, and Peace to stop the perpetual and cumulative disarray caused by the Communists themselves). When the purported purveyor of order impeach themselves of their moral thus lawful authority by their lawlessness (denial and/or deprivation of the rights of others), any attempts at justice will be by default vigilante justice; and by default from those (not-proletariat) others.
It is an inherent right of a free people to reserve appropriate police action to the discretion of the individual. It is my privilege as an American Citizen to arrest criminal activity conducive to keeping the peace. I have only had to make 5 or 6 citizens arrests in my life (including an on duty constable). I am not above handing out traffic citations for reckless driving by police on the roadway, but that has not been necessary (and I hope it never is). Socialism (and any police state) assumes that is the prerogative of the state only. Statists hate our heritage and try to call it Vigilante Justice as if that were supposed to be an epitaph, but it is a badge of honor.
Gamerism is the superior political philosophy, and ethnic group.
Rateria
Ah yes the times it's been tried. You must have a pitifully low bar of success if 3 years of existence is success. It's not sustainable. Under the best circumstances with groups of only highly idealistic members and bountiful land the society falls apart as the next generation comes of age. What then, kill the non believers to preserve the collective? Who makes the decision to kill the undesirables in this case? If it's the collective or the community, they have become the state. The Soviet Union with arsenals to wipe out entire nations couldn't hold together a communist state (even if in name only). The closest example of ancap in action was the first settlements of America. Initially they were communist in nature as the harvests were collective and shared evenly however with a failed harvest they reassessed their situation and divided the land into parcels and families were able to keep what they grew. As a result the harvest had a much higher yeild and there was abundance. These weren't revolutionaries, idealists, or thinkers these were regular people who didn't care either way and capitalism worked the best for them
Miencraft, Pevvania, Tupolite
The Soviet Union survived for a remarkable time considering the amount of interference it faced from the West.
Revolutionary Catalonia, for what it was, was still successful, and was a victim of fascism during the Spanish Civil war, hardly pitiful considering the situation.
Auxorii
I never said they were sustainable; again, I am not an anarchist. However, they successfully achieved what they wanted and were economically successful in the time they werent crushed out by outside forces. Id suggest youd actually look into these histories.
Rateria
The Soviet Union benefited from the vast amounts of territory and resources it controlled. Any bad economic system can last as long as the profitability of its natural resources. Look at Chavez Era Venezuela.
What was successful about these societies? Genuine question.
Rateria
Here's the latest golden quote from Beta O'Rourke: "Outside of the Third Reich, give me another example of a Western leader who has called people of one faith inherently defective or dangerous or disqualified from being successful in that country. How did a modern country, well-educated, a source of innovation and ingenuity, and a source of moral leadership in the world, descend into that level of barbarity, producing a shame that lives with every single German to this day?"
Lol, pre-Nazi Germany was not a source of moral leadership for anyone. Obviously the Nazis made it much, much worse, but I'd hardly call the German Empire inspiring for anyone other than the Germans.
Rateria
Well, in the case of Catalonia: worker productivity went up, wages went up and the standard of living all went up. Not to mention, people living there had no suppression of their civil rights as they would under Francos Spain.
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
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I think Beto was referring to the Weimar republic
Libertatem is all anarchism, vigilantes, communism, World War II
I just wanna live alone in the woods only appearing every few years to scare local residents for Gods sake
Rateria, Jadentopian Order
Well they inspired the British to build more ships
You expected subtlety?! From the left-wing?! They know nothing but how to be smug and condescending
Pevvania, The New United States
The Weimar Republic was a pseudo-democratic parliamentary mobocracy ridden with insuperable and factionalizing political divides and a culture of total demoralization reflected through the negativistic and pornographic smut that was allowed to flood the cinemas.
Pevvania, Narland, The New United States
Left-wing anarchism in practice is rule by a bunch of rapist thugs who only know how to destroy but not how to create from destruction, and who will bring ruin to everyone through their preoccupation with dismantling or making to work inefficiently the technical standards of a modernized economy. Capitalist anarchism, if ever practiced, would be rule by a bunch of rentiers and landlords who will hold basic provision of food and shelter to the tenant class ransom to squeeze maximum economic output out of them.
Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands
The Soviet Union was also given enormous technical and material assistance during and shortly after WWII by the imbeciles and traitors of the FDR and Truman administrations in America and the post-war Labour government in Britain.
Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands
Chavist Venezuela is now a wreck, with its people devouring rodents and lagomorphs because everything has become impossible to afford. All while Maduro holds succulent feasts for his chosen elite. In general, however, any rent-seeking oil economy is doomed to disaster sooner or later. The state should systematically intervene to diversify the economy and promote self-sufficiency.
Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Miri Islands
You ignore that Proudhon was Marx's contemporary and rival, that "Marxism-Leninism" was not codified as such until Stalin, that Lenin introduced the idea of the vanguard party, not Marx, and that Marx didn't differentiate between socialism and communism, the differentiation of which into separate stages of dialectical materialism was also Lenin's revision of Marx.
Anarchy is not feasible except among primitive savages for whom state political organization is too advanced to coalesce into a stable reality. The state is an eternal reality of all peoples fit to be called as sovereign nations. More than that, the state is an ethical reality acknowledged by the whole people through their commonality of cultural experience, begat through generations of cohabitation as part of the same civil society
Miri Islands
I'm more irritated when people misconstrue my usage of the word "liberal" to be specific to the American mutation of it when what I refer to is all permutations of thought in the vein of classical liberalism, taken collectively. (I understand that many here would not appreciate my conflation of classical and modern American liberalism, but that's their problem.)
Left and right are interesting concepts, because they are held variously to stand for many different policies, many of which have no logical relationship. My conclusion is that the dichotomy is most useful in defining the lines of political partisanship of liberal democracies, with certain types of people gravitating towards one wing or the other because of an interplay between politicians' rhetoric and voters' psychology and temperament. Of course, questions of demographics also play a large role.
I think you give the Dems way too much credit
Skaveria, I know I missed your poll, but looking at it, I think your 5 choices could have been condensed into 3, minus an option that you excluded of hating all the other choices in the same measure
I ignored it because it didnt need to be addressed. I understand the history behind Marxism-Leninism and I used the terms correctly. I never said Marx introduced the idea of a vanguard party either- I said that Marxism-Leninism states that a vanguard party is the best vehicle to communism, while Proudhon disagrees. I was simply talking about the Marxism that Lenin expanded upon; but Im sure you already know all about that.
Jadentopian Order
"The reason why Proudhon developed modern anarchism was because Marxism-Leninism was more authoritarian, and he believed that communism would be better achieved through the abolishment of the state (as it upholds property) rather than a totalitarian regime based in a vanguard party."
The way you worded it here made it read like you thought Proudhon's ideas were a reaction to Lenin, which he could not have anticipated since they were not contemporaries
The New United States
Yes, but they were Progressive! :) Just read their writings, they will tell you. That and everything was everyone else's fault but theirs (domestic and foreign).
The New United States
And thanks to Communist Front Organizations turned "respectable" institutions like the Brookings Institute (and their insistence) and through permissive Western Powers (utilizing the likes of Chase-Manhattan and later IMF tomfoolery) bankrolled the perennial USSR crop failures routinely with gold shipments to compensate all the way up to 1987. It would probably still be going on (that and the USSR) if Reagan had not put a stop to it.
The New United States, Tupolite
shut up before i come over there and kiss you on the lips and make you shut up
Sounds like American capitalist propaganda to me.
Miencraft, The New United States, Miri Islands
The BBC is terrible. Imagine that, a state-funded broadcaster supporting the ideology that would give it more funding. Imagine my shock.
Miencraft, The New United States, Skaveria, Miri Islands
JESUS IS KING
The New United States, Jadentopian Order
Already got >80 streams on the album
The New United States, Auxorii
Kanye is a freethinker that's why we love him
The New United States
Im a huge fan.
I think Kanye, for better or for worse, is surrounded with a bunch of yesmen. If you watch his most recent two interviews, hes really not holding back. He doesnt have anyone telling him he shouldnt say something it seems like.
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Any way to fix obesity? I know the simple solution in this game is Communism
Miencraft, Narland, Rateria
I've got the lowest obesity in the region. Unfortunately, like you said, the only solution is intervention.
Be picky about which issues you choose to answer. If you choose to prohibit soda, for instance, try to simultaneously privatize something else - beaches, for example. That'll help you to improve a lot of stats without sacrificing too much of your economic freedom.
Rateria
I'll just accept having fat slobs for citizens. They're less likely to rebel against the glorious dictatorship in mobility scooters
Narland, The New United States, Rateria
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True but honestly, I saw him on Kimmel and was absolutely astounded at the amount of words Kanye could say without saying really anything; and Im a huge Kanye fan. Nobody should be surrounded by a bunch of yesmen.
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Slavery and Conscription might do it
Something is very, very wrong with you.
...Is this a joke?
Ugh, social-democratic slime ruin everything. The German model of fascism should probably have followed a model closer to the Austrian one, but anyone who says that National Socialism wasn't the most viable option for Germany at the time must be daft.
Narland
Boo! Hiss!
Plutocracy and Bolshevism are two sides of the same coin
Latin America needs another Getulio Vargas or Hernandez Martinez. A leader combining Pinochet's style of rule with Juan Peron's economic policies.
We're all political/philosophy nerds here. Let's see who has the most idiosyncratic, wacky, or otherwise incredibly unlikely to ever be implemented in our neo-liberal hellscape, worldview. (This is gonna be a little self-deprecating)
I'll go first: Decentralized Minarcho-National Capitalism, but there's also democracy somehow.
Auxorii, Rateria
He has such a habit of doing that thing where he has a point and he just dresses it up in all this weird language to make it sound all futuristic. It just sorta makes him hard to understand and even when he has something interesting to say its so dressed up it sounds like nonsense. In his Beats 1 interview he was talking about his Yeezy domes in CA and he was like They said my domes were 10 feet too high... and he just said that a few times like it was supposed to give us some philosophical realization. Still, I love the album and looking forward to whatever comes next
Auxorii
Less talk more smooching
Auxorii
You just smashed some words together is all I see. There is no such thing as "National" Capitalism.
I guess I would go with anarcho-primitivism.
You belong in the GP dungeon with Sweeze and Cormac.
Needless to say, I think we finally have a winner for "most annoying type of libertarian."
Narland
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But we already said Communism.
Miri Islands
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Everyone is armed to the teeth when in public. After some public unrest, Society will become very polite very quickly. A Polite Society is a Happy Society.
Rateria
Infants build the roads
Rateria
Fat, sassy, overfed, and overcaffeinated underclasses with smartphones and internets who just watched some "Reality" TV are the best ones to overlord.
Cold, tired, hungry, and angry peasants with lighted torches and sharpened pitchforks who just read Common Sense are the worst.
Rateria, Skaveria, Miri Islands
Miencraft will build your damn roads.
But I wanted to. (And then subcontract it out to the former MorrisonKnudsen engineers who are now living under the bridges they helped to create). An engineer who won't live under their own bridge when homeless is like a cook who won't eat his own cooking when hungry.
Rateria
The joke in my previous comment was Bulgaria.
Sigh, my attempt at humor has failed yet again. I shall watch more "Homeboys From Outerspace" and "Mama's Family" to hone my skills. Nevertheless, I am sure Bulgaria has homeless engineers as well.
You don't get it, which is disappointing
Already have conscription maybe installing ice cream machines in the barracks was a bad idea
No, you've got to legalize slavery. I haven't gotten around to it yet (or accidentally uninstalled it if I had it in the past).
In other news, I supposedly have some of the most ignorant citizens in Libertatem, but the guy immediately worse than me in that respect appears to have an Italian Fascist flag recolored to look anarcho-capitalist. I sometimes wonder who would waste time on making these puppets.
Narland
Oh this is gonna be good: enlightened constitutional minarchist dictatorship with Austrian school economic policies and a bill of rights with gun rights enshrined (except for communists)
Narland, Rateria, Skaveria
It is most likely.
I do tend to miss a lot. I have a very wonked sense of humor (or lack of one as my friends repeated say) that vacillates from dry to pretendedly obtuse. My comments were meant to be humorously obtuse.
Tsar Boris III of Bulgaria committed the Jews of his country to public works projects such as renovating the public infrastructure (i.e. roads) during WWII to give himself an excuse not to deport them to the camps. Miencraft is Jewish. That's the joke.
IC, i was relating the comment with Meincraft (as a nation on NS) apart from RL.
Yo. You guys can't get more memey than this. This is what happens when you crossbreed a T-34 tank and an Apache helicopter for purging the worst of NAP violators.
What's up based freedom bois? Want some recreational Czar Bombas? huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue
New poll in Zentari. Come and vote!
Rateria
Welcome meme ideology nation. You put me 3rd for lowest political freedom.
Voluntary Stalinist Authority
I'd like to announce the formation of the National Liberty Party, the largest and fastest growing political organization in the region! Check out my dispatch for details on what we're all about!
The New United States, Rateria, Miri Islands
I would like to go on record saying that I only joined this party because I like Wilhelm's even less.
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Everyone please take a look at the Promethean Club as well! The NLP is only presented as an alternative for those wishing a party affiliation of whom don't fit neatly into the ideologies presented by the PC.
That being said, we're all (mostly all) libertarians. We agree on most things. These parties, while certainly they have this potential to, are not intended to cause division amongst Libertatemites.
These parties are just meant to promote comradery amongst those of whom have similar ideologies, when done right, political parties enrich political dialogue by allowing ease of identification and communication of ideas.
The New United States, Rateria
I'm interested in setting up a regional RP. We can make a map and people can claim their borders
Narland
There WAS a map once upon a time
Narland
I assume that you're the owner of Libritalia
It's not too difficult. I did RP maps for Pacifica quite some time back. I just forgot what site I used to make the maps
I believe Miencraft was responsible for it before we got rib of it, if I'm not mistaken.
Any particular reason for getting rid of it
Idk, it happened either when we dissolved the second republic or when we formed The Consulate.
Oh are we starting political parties again?
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Seems more like a loose social group rather than a political party.
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