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Region: Libertatem
We've had the most despicable man on Earth here, and we let him stay. In fact, I believe he left of his own volition.
Enemy spy?
No, but he did try very unsuccessfully to get some commies to raid us.
We tried him for it, but in the end he just gave up and left on his own.
Well, would you allow enemy spies to stay?
I'm not a Communist, I lean strongly towards Democratic Socialism, which many of us in TCB do. As far as regional laws, we have some of the largest political freedoms in the leftist community and embrace diversity. After all, this is just a game and its still to sit around and fight when we all could be working together against real threats like the Nazi regions. It really just depends on how you look at it.
If we are talking political compass wise, I lean heavily towards Libertarian and away from Authoritarian as I believe in far-left-economics paired with very large civil and political freedoms and little government control over people's private lives.
This is correct. It is a basic right for residents & citizens to operate their nations however they please. It is counter-productive to regional growth to persecute resident nations for the category, name, economy, political freedoms, or civil rights. Again, its a game, and we play the game to give us as many advantages as possible to stay competitive and continue growing :)
No one cares about the nations, I am referring to the person. What if the person is a fascist who openly supports animal cruelty (finding it amusing), violence, racism, and other more despicable things... the most despicable person on Earth?
Also, if you wanted to grow, then why did you name yourselves communist, one of the most backwards ideologies around, second only to fascism?
Well first, hate speech is specifically an eject-worthy offense. If someone wants to come into the region and toss around anti-semetic, homophobic, etc comments, no they won't be welcome in the region as we are a community and all friends. Mutual respect is very important to maintain a friendly community. We may have disagreements over policy, but at the end of the day, we all know that we stick together in TCB and work for the improvement of the region.
Second, please do not insult me or the region I represent. I would never disrespect your home region, and I hope you will do the same for me.
It was more of a criticism of communism, but okay...
This isn't my home region, since I just came here, but we redditors have a thick skin and a dirty hand. Such things are quite commonplace in /r/pol, but that does not excuse my critique on communism nor does it prevent you from being offended by that statement.
Dislike towards homosexuals is hardly hate speech.
Boo! Communism!
I know this is against standards, but... LOL!
Well, I'm a lady that like ladies, so yeah if someone comes it talking about how homosexuals should be hung or how they're bad people, yep they're getting the boot. Homophobia is disgusting.
Would I get the boot, then, since I hate communists?
For good reason, too...
Your suggesting that 'homophobic' people want to kill them. No, just, no.
It is possible to dislike homosexuality, while viewing them as humans that deserve basic human rights (i.e. right to life).
Exactly my point.
Well, I don't know where you live, but where I live, a lot of people think the penalty for being homosexual should be Biblical, and they should be killed. Every person I've met that is homophobic believes it is some kind of disorder or unnatural. But I don't really want to talk to you about this.
Umm if you came in and started insulting everyone and purposely trying to cause trouble with everyone, yeah you'd get ejected. We try our best to keep the RMB friendly and casual.
Where do you live? Holy crap, I have never met anyone who wants to kill them, and I live in a very conservative place. The amount of people who believe that are slim.
She is probably exaggerating...
I live in the very heart of Dixie, the Bible Belt, and I have never heard of such a homophobe...
Lol, I live in the Deep South x)
I'd like to contribute to this with my penny's worth.
From a historical perspective the Bolsheviks (later named Communists and Reds) were very different politically from the Soviets.
The Communists believed in massive centralised planning to achieve equality and improve living standards, sacrificing individual liberty for collective growth and development.
The Soviets believed in massive decentralisation of power, this would have severely hindered economic growth and development, but inequality would still have been reduced greatly.
If the soviets had continued to lead the Russian Revolution, and Lenin not come to power then it is highly likely that the Nazis would have crushed Russia and won the second world war.
And as previously agreed, Nazism and Fascism are even worse than the the Bolsheviks/Communists...
Its worth some consideration...
Then I doubt you have to worry about encountering an extreme homophobe in your region...
Agreed, but authoritarian capitalism seems to be even worse than communism. :)
The Bolsheviks weren't communist, just saying.
Are you kidding me?
I've faced a lot of hate here, for being a Jew, for my family being all immigrants, and for my sexuality. The South is a very intolerant region, and if you're claiming otherwise, we have nothing more to talk about.
The Bolshevik party later coined the term Communists, and all "Communist" parties that have gotten into power are based on the Bolshevik rather than the Soviet model.
I don't know what you're talking about. I am a white, straight, protestant. I, too, am a Spanish immigrant who fled Spain at a young age. I have faced little trouble down here... My issue was with adopting the more American customs, like eating more and drinking more.
Everyone vote for flag one or you are a fascist.
Hmm... then I suppose that the English Diggers, that the early French communist philosophers, and that Karl Marx had nothing to do with the term communism.
Is that a threat or a promise? ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
Ohh man, a white straight protestant telling me about how there isnt intolerance in the South.
I am so shocked.
Alrighty. Good talk guys, hope I cleared up some stuff about the region, apologies for being dragged off topic!
Have a good one!
[B]-President [nation=short]Zenya[/nation][/B]
Hello, Zenny...
Good bye, Zenny!!! :)
I win.
I don't know if non-resident votes count though. Anything to get rid of that old flag, really. Sends the wrong signal.
The Gadsden flag is the epitome of anti-authoritarian Libertarianism. If only the tea party would stop using it and give it back to us.
Both.
I won't count. I have a feeling that I might get banned soon. :P
It's rare that we ban people. Only person that has been banned is probably TTA.
My goodness!!! Another commie!
There errywhere
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wheeeererererererer
red skaaare
Why are you guys so against Left wing libertarianism... its where i fall on the political compass...
You've banned my spies in the past. :)
Now, for a spout of leftist propaganda:
http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/18/us-war-on-iran-takes-bizarre-turn/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ebola-outbreak-the-latest-u-s-government-lies/5405584
http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/07/ukraine-nazis-in-plain-sight/
https://news.yahoo.com/syrian-ambassador-calls-isis-american-myth-230412940.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2i89qo/all_wars_are_bankers_wars_featured_documentary/
http://www.wired.com/2014/10/fbi-is-wrong-apple-encryption-is-good/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4282603.stm
Look at the flag.
I am deemed an enemy of this region, despite being a libertarian communist.
Only 2 people are currently on the ban list:
Einsiev
Kraannei, whoever the hell that is.
But also TTA at some point in the past.
I mean, technically, yeah, but you're not really an enemy of us unless you're a threat.
Well from what I've read of this region (this being a 2nd account) you guys seem to do a lot of threatening.
Then, I guess, that means that Das Kommune and the such is a threat to Libertatem. :P
Now that I know that my spies are not banned, I will only stay until I am ejected with the passwords set up.
We go after aggressors, and we're also generally pretty skeptical.
But that's about it, really. I haven't really noticed any threats being made that aren't related to our own safety.
My reaction:
http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/3pjq8f
*readys banjection catapult*
The hell would we eject you for?
I mean, thanks for telling us that you've got spies here, but I highly doubt they're collecting anything of value.
Does advocating against your embassies, especially among leftist regions, count as a danger to your safety?
... Unless you're telling people to raid us, no.
We honestly don't care about criticism about what we do. Sure, we take it into account to make us stronger, but people just going around shouting about how terrible it is that we have embassies with leftist regions are just things that we pay no mind to.
Well my main regional home League Of Reformed Socialist States received a nasty threat from you guys recently because we spoke out publicly against the invasion of C.A.P.S...
I don't see how that makes us the aggressors... also you guys took our previous home The Cooperative Union which we have asked to be returned diplomatically but have been brushed aside...
Nah. It just proves that you are a dick.
You do realize that the symbol portrayed above is a Bolshevik symbol?
Why aren't you using the symbols of anarchism and Antifa? The red and black flag? Those are way more representative of libertarian communism.
Talk to Pevvania about that stuff, man.
And I highly doubt you'd get a threat just for speaking out against it. Probably someone talking about trying to take it back forcefully.
Eh, I don't attack you, I just advise against relations with you guys.
Artistic license.
You ain't ever seeing that again.
Goodness, aren't you acting quite like a communist. Please leave before you are forced to do so.
It would be an honor to be banjected. :)
You're not even a citizen here, so you're really not in a position to make a threat like that.
Pevvania was the one that threatened us, because we were trying to make a STRICTLY DEFENSIVE pact with Das Kommune for fear that you would invade us...
I mean, if you want to be banjected, I guess we can make it happen...
Forcing people to leave is against the non-aggression principle. Well, even if Libertatem is a private entity...
The Libertatem Corporation: Private Defense Contractors. Ancap ftw
Probably on account of how Das Kommune is basically our mortal enemy, and any pact they make will likely end up in their attempting to attack us.
They're not really known for being defensive...
Why would Das Kommune be so stupid as to directly make an attack on a region without executive control to the WAD and, more importantly, [B]with a founder[/B]?
They may not be, but OUR agreement with them would have been. We haven't even started the planning of it...
He also demanded that we sign up to REATO...
As the former Military General, I can honestly say I don't give a rats arse about your region [B]before[/B] you made that defensive pact.
didn't not don't
They wouldn't necessarily have to attack us. In fact, nobody would attack us directly. Instead, they'd go after one of the many regions connected to us. There are quite a few...
I guarantee you they'd end up using it as a tool for an attack regardless.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOT ONE!
We just expressed interest in it when CAPS was invaded...
All of the regions we have attacked in the last two months we had done so because they had provoked us in some manner. Ever since Communist Beach, we hadn't really gone around attacking random leftist regions just cause
I'm talking about your in-game region guy...
But surely you can understand why leftist regions are so fearful! Your flag, and the attacks...
We currently have no pact with Das Kommune... We would like to see our inactive and peaceful original homeland The Cooperative Union returned to us.
We see no benefit to you owning it, other than to spite us, but it is of great sentimental and historical value to our region...
We keep telling you we don't do these things without a good reason. Maybe you might not see a reason for us to keep it, but we do.
We have received no justification for the occupation... on the WFE it says you took it from "communist occupation" which is rubbish. We didn't occupy it, we founded it, and we weren't even strictly "communist." Around 75% of the members were left wing libertarians...
We don't need to justify an occupation to the people we're taking over. Again I say that if we had no reason to attack you, you'd still have your region. We have plenty of communist friends, regions that aren't a threat to us. Regions that could potentially be threatening, we need to remove so that they don't have a chance to attack us or those connected to us.
Also, that first sentence does sound a bit imperialistic, but honestly, whenever you conquer anything you're basically taking over the land and the people on it.
It was an inactive, founderless region... hardly threatening. As I'm sure you will note TLRSS is very different in ideology and leadership from TCU...
I'll just stop arguing since obviously it'll go nowhere.
Who was the founder (I assume he CTE'd)? Can you provide a list of elected government officials of the former region we can check with?
I'm curious to find out more regarding the circumstances there. When we came in to refound the region, I clearly recall there was only a single nation left in there. As you mentioned, the region was abandoned which makes establishing any legitimate ownership difficult.
I like this idea:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=315050&f=24&view=unread#unread
It's not to spite you as much as it is to conquer what had attempted to conquer us and ours. TCU had engaged in aggressive military action against Libertatem and sabotaged our raid on a FASCIST region out of everything. One that I had luckily managed to claim since the Volksstaat region fell...
Neo that's a terrible idea. If a condemnation won't work for North Korea, what makes you think an utterly useless liberation would?
Vote for flag 1 and I promise to give you cookies. (:.:)
Cmon I'm just kidding. (Even though it would be pretty cool to see NK fall apart.)
We must unite against the flag of Tyranny!
Unrelated, I was bored, so now I'm hand-drawing a map of Miencraft and labeling everything in the Miencraftic language.
Help me.
I want to publicly state that I withdraw my support from my own design (Flag 4) and ask that those wanting a flag change please vote in favor of Flag 1.
This flag is a symbol that all Libertatemites can be proud of, standing for liberty in opposition to statism.
It was abandoned so that it could be refounded, since the founder, Altaslavia, left.
Can you teach us some curse words? :-P
Also, can I just say that if there's a tie between any two choices, the flag remains the same by default.
So, yeah. Since the current tie is between keeping the flag and flag 1, that shouldn't be a problem.
Eiaen - Tits
Flag number 1: A flag of symbolism
[B]Background Color:[/B] Buff. The original color of the US army's pants, later used as the color for the Whig Party of America (a classical liberal party). Also the color of the state of New Jersey. Close to the color yellow, which is associated with liberalism, and gold, which is associated with libertarianism.
[B]Rattlesnake:[/B] The same snake found in the Gadsden flag, which was the first flag to be waved by the US Marines during the Revolutionary War. The snake (and the flag) is now associated with libertarian ideals and movements. Historical significance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag
[B]Ama-gi[/B], or the text on the bottom rug of the snake's coil: Literally "Back to the Mother" written in Sumerian cuneiform. The words refer to "The restoration of persons and property to their original status" (wikipedia), a popular capitalist and libertarian idea. More: http://studentsforliberty.org/blog/2014/01/09/ama-gi-does-not-mean-liberty/
[B]Phyrgian Cap and Liberty Pole:[/B] Phyrgian Caps are one of the oldest symbols of freedom which date back to the classical era. It was worn by freed Roman slaves and came to represent liberty in the late classical period. During festivities, the cap was put on a pole.
"[B]Noli Me Calcare:[/B]" Don't tread on me in Latin. Associated with Libertarians and the non-aggression principle proper, the slogan is found on the Gadsden Flag this flag emulates. My idea to translate it to Latin was due to the fact that "Libertatem" is Latin for liberty, and thus is appropriate.
There is a Wikipedia article on curse words in the Albuli language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_profanity
Wow. Your language is Latin.
Very original.
Also, flag 3 is basically the flag we have now but with some minor adjustments. I can see why it has basically no support.
Goin' to a college party tonight, maybe I will get lucky.
Please use a "glove".
*cough* Noli[B]te[/B] me calcare might be more appropriate. *cough*
Damn, will change it after.
Both are fine, it's just that the -te speaks to a more general audience, as it is the plural imperative. Without it, the statement speaks to a singular audience.
The difference is subtle enough that the meaning does not change.
Perfect... so much more original and something we can stand for! Adopting this flag would not only be a shot in the arm for Libertatem's pride, but would be a wonderful recruitment tool.
I see. I'll probably change it anyway to add some detail and make it less cartoony later.
"Adopting this flag would not only be a shot in the arm for Libertatem's pride"
Only the grumpy cultural conservatives who can't see that Libertatem isn't solely dedicated to McCarthyist like anti-communism like the good old days can't accept it. B)
A rubber glove?
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