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Muh Roads wrote:gotcha, but then why is there a trial?

GET WRECKED.

Alchandria wrote:But I thought that the jury wasn't considering anything I had to say anymore.

Humpheria wrote:Hey. You comment much more, I'll replace you on the jury. That was definitely subjective. Alchandria, remember, you closed. Anything you said after that, except your contempt, will not be considered by the jury.

Who even is the judge here.

Muh Roads wrote:gotcha, but then why is there a trial?

Being Charged to see if he can be charged.....

I'm gathering data and evidence not running a jury.

Humpheria wrote:

Remember the part where there is no law against contempt?

Alchandria wrote:Who even is the judge here.

CI....I believe.

The Time Alliance wrote:Being Charged to see if he can be charged.....

lolwut

grabs bowl of popcorn and mtn dew.

Alchandria wrote:Remember the part where there is no law against contempt?

Note to self: after trial push for this law....

Muh Roads wrote:gotcha, but then why is there a trial?

evidence that is found in the investigation is being presented to trial. We technically are in trial. But, also investigating at the same time. The process is getting streamlined so when can get this over with and move on. And hopefully get it over with before the term starts. I remind everyone that Alchandria is innocent until proven guilty by the jury.

Muh Roads wrote:lolwut

I dunno. The courts logic.

I'm just investigating the case

Humpheria wrote:evidence that is found in the investigation is being presented to trial. We technically are in trial. But, also investigating at the same time. The process is getting streamlined so when can get this over with and move on. And hopefully get it over with before the term starts. I remind everyone that Alchandria is innocent until proven guilty by the jury.

Your gathering evidence.. During the trial? Oh dear.

Alchandria wrote:Who even is the judge here.

No judge. There are two sides and a jury. While there is no law against free speech, it will still be considered in the debate, that is why no one is restricting you, it is only being noted.

Muh Roads wrote:Your gathering evidence.. During the trial? Oh dear.

I'm not, TTA is. He is gathering evidence and then presenting it to the trial. That is why we're still here.

*You're

The office of internal affairs is displeased at the "court's" decision to press charges for the point of.. pressing charges.

Muh Roads wrote:The office of internal affairs is displeased at the "court's" decision to press charges for the point of.. pressing charges.

.... No charges have been pressed.

Muh Roads wrote:The office of internal affairs is displeased at the "court's" decision to press charges for the point of.. pressing charges.

They had a reasonable suspicion to. They're looking into it now, before the positions are permanent.

why do we need to make a big deal cant we all just talk it out before going to the judicial system.

Who exactly is prosecuting me right now.

Alchandria wrote:Who exactly is prosecuting me right now.

TTA is. And the Board, including Managers, are the jury.

The Time Alliance wrote:.... No charges have been pressed.

The Time Alliance wrote:Being Charged to see if he can be charged.....

I'm gathering data and evidence not running a jury.

I'm done after this. There is a lot of misinformation here. TTA, may i please ask you to make a formal court order with all the information needed for the case AFTER the investigation. Then proceed.

Oh, so I am in the jury too? cool.

Muh Roads wrote:I'm done after this. There is a lot of misinformation here. TTA, may i please ask you to make a formal court order with all the information needed for the case AFTER the investigation. Then proceed.

Regional law indicates that he can do it his way.

Alchandria wrote:Oh, so I am in the jury too? cool.

I think your being the defendant puts you out of the jury, but I'm not certain.

Muh Roads wrote:I'm done after this. There is a lot of misinformation here. TTA, may i please ask you to make a formal court order with all the information needed for the case AFTER the investigation. Then proceed.

Being Charged to see if we can press charges is an obvious joke about how this process is working at the moment.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Regional law indicates that he can do it his way.

I realize that, I guess that is more of a suggestion than an order.

Alchandria wrote:Oh, so I am in the jury too? cool.

No, you aren't. When TTA first announced it was made clear that you wouldn't be.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I think your being the defendant puts you out of the jury, but I'm not certain.

I don't see a law about it.

Humpheria wrote:No, you aren't. When TTA first announced it was made clear that you wouldn't be.

Sarcasm. Heavy sarcasm.

There isn't a law, it's common sense. No one directly involved can sit on a jury.

Muh Roads wrote:I realize that, I guess that is more of a suggestion than an order.

I have broken no rules. This is worthy of investigation.

Post self-deleted by The Time Alliance.

Alchandria wrote:Sarcasm. Heavy sarcasm.

I figured. I'm making sure all bases are covered so we don't have battles over semantics.

It is a very worthy investigation. I am almost done searching for evidence.

Notice how Urerus is inactive now or has been for 2 hours.

The Time Alliance wrote:I also must note the defenses Contentment during this debate where he took any and every chance to insult me and other observers.

Doesn't matter.

The Time Alliance wrote:-snip-

Thank you sir, i now have a better understanding of the situation.

Muh Roads wrote:Doesn't matter.

Can't be used as evidence, but will be reviewed by the jury.

The Time Alliance wrote:

The Defense has also been accused of Puppet Fraud before thus causing the Fraud Act to be made. I also must note the defenses Contentment during this debate where he took any and every chance to insult me and other observers.

I was Acquitted of puppet fraud, Assh*le. And I'm going to go ahead and exercise my right to be pissed off over this on account of the fact that it is a load of horseshit.

I will let Ein's evidence on then close our arguments side.

Aaand the jury continues to document Alchandria's rants.

Alchandria wrote:I was Acquitted of puppet fraud, Assh*le. And I'm going to go ahead and exercise my right to be pissed off over this on account of the fact that it is a load of horseshit.

He's right TTA. He was acquitted. That cannot be used against him. The jury will nto take that claim into account.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Aaand the jury continues to document Alchandria's rants.

That too.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Aaand the jury continues to document Alchandria's rants.

You don't have to announce it every time I say something you don't like.

Alchandria wrote:You don't have to announce it every time I say something you don't like.

*writes that down*

No, I'm just kidding.

Ok folks, very sorry for the inactivity but i'll be gone for about an hour roughly.

I'll stand in with the jury, it just doesn't hurt to bring some talking points. I'm defending no one, let me make that clear.

Humpheria wrote:He's right TTA. He was acquitted. That cannot be used against him. The jury will nto take that claim into account.

Okay. In that case I will amend my investigation.

This is an investigation report involving The possibility Alchandria commited violations against the Fraud Act. In section 2 it States any citizen is allowed to use puppets but said puppets aren't citizens. Section 3 Subsection II States

Only Citizens of Libertatem may vote in any office or legislative election or referendum. The nation of Urerus relocated from The East Pacific to Libertatem approximately 115 minutes of this typing. As soon as he joined the region he voted for Alchandria. This happened 5 minutes after his founding. Since then he has had no new activity and Alchandria wasn't on during this time. He hasn't had activity since this. I have taken into account that Pev had sent out 500 recruitment telegrams but those more than likely weren't recieved. The time he sent them has not been revealed as of now so we can't rule out that he may or may not have received this telegram in The first place. I also must note the defenses Contentment during this debate where he took any and every chance to insult me and other observers.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:*writes that down*

No, I'm just kidding.

*writes that down*

The jury will take that into account.

Alchandria wrote:And I'm going to go ahead and exercise my right to be pissed off

I would probably be to.

Muh Roads wrote:*writes that down*

The jury will take that into account.

*writes that down*

Interesting, we need to document what the jury is doing.

Muh Roads wrote:*writes that down*

The jury will take that into account.

lol

Humpheria wrote:lol

*writes that down*

Textspeak? Unprofessionalism in the jury? I might need to write an expose in the Liberty Gazette about this...

I agree with TTA. Urerus had arrived and was active for only 5 minutes and voted for Alchandria. So far, that nation has remained inactive after voting.

Einsiev wrote:I agree with TTA. Urerus had arrived and was active for only 5 minutes and voted for Alchandria. So far, that nation has remained inactive after voting.

This is like the third time you have said this, and it hasn't become more important since then.

I disagree; it has, at the very least, been documented as evidence.

Regardless, this jury will need to see something more.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I disagree; it has, at the very least, been documented as evidence.

Regardless, this jury will need to see something more.

That can't come until Pev gives the recruitment details....as That is fundamental in deciding if this was normal recruitment or not.

Would a puppet use a latin motto?

Alchandria wrote:Would a puppet use a latin motto?

Mine did when I had other puppets.

Alchandria wrote:Would a puppet use a latin motto?

Mine is English

Well, mine was based off the real life micronation.

Alchandria wrote:Would a puppet use a latin motto?

Yes. Google or bing translate.

Alchandria wrote:Would a puppet use a latin motto?

How do you know so much about this puppet, anyway?

Plus it's easy to edit the puppet then say.

"Would a puppet do this?"

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:How do you know so much about this puppet, anyway?

Because I can see it, assh*le.

And for the record, for a long time, one of my puppets DID use a Latin motto. So, yes. Yes they would.

Alchandria wrote:Would a puppet use a latin motto?

*takes notes*

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:How do you know so much about this puppet, anyway?

Good point.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Mine is English

Well, mine was based off the real life micronation.

MICRONATION?

I'M INTRIGUED. I love Micronations. Minerva real?

Alchandria wrote:Because I can see it, assh*le.

Good point....

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:And for the record, for a long time, one of my puppets DID use a Latin motto. So, yes. Yes they would.

As did mine.

Alchandria wrote:Would a puppet use a latin motto?

Mine do.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I've heard of Minerva.

I know of Sealand it got me hooked.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I've heard of Minerva.

I as well. I use a Czech motto and a puppet of mine uses a Russian motto.

The Time Alliance wrote:I know of Sealand it got me hooked.

Sealand is an intriguing one, but not my favorite. It is also what got me hooked.

The Time Alliance wrote:Good point. MICRONATION?

I'M INTRIGUED. I love Micronations. Minerva real?

http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva

Now, who here recognizes South Ossetia, Nagorono Karabakh, Transnistria etc...? I don't recognize any of them. Nor Kosovo.

I can give you a list of all of my puppets. Not a single one uses a latin motto.

Alchandria wrote:I can give you a list of all of my puppets. Not a single one uses a latin motto.

I honestly don't see what that will prove.

I like Perloja

Established in theaftermath of World War I, the Republic of Perloja had its own court, police, prison, currency (Perloja litas), and an army of 300 men.[

Einsiev wrote:Now, who here recognizes South Ossetia, Nagorono Karabakh, Transnistria etc...? I don't recognize any of them. Nor Kosovo.

I recognize every nation.

Also, Urerus's motto means "and the war in fire"

So it isn't like I went into google and was like "translate and the war in fire into latin"

I don't even know what that means.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:D:

What can I say? They just aren't ready.

Einsiev wrote:I honestly don't see what that will prove.

Not like you are out here proving sh*t left and right.

Einsiev wrote:What can I say? They just aren't ready.

Coming from someone who constantly hears update about relief efforts there, the Kosovoan people are most certainly ready for sovereignty.

Alchandria wrote:Also, Urerus's motto means "and the war in fire"

So it isn't like I went into google and was like "translate and the war in fire into latin"

I don't even know what that means.

That proves nothing.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Coming from someone who constantly hears update about relief efforts there, the Kosovoan people are most certainly ready for sovereignty.

All nations are. I demand a worldwide revolution against these Sovereign countries to recognize rights of these unofficial nations.

The Time Alliance wrote:That proves nothing.

And what have you proven?

Alchandria wrote:And what have you proven?

I have pointed out timeline of the event.

Proof he has been inactive since.

And I'll have telegram recruitment details tommorow.

Alchandria wrote:Not like you are out here proving sh*t left and right.

I don't enjoy your language so talk to me when gain some maturity.

The Time Alliance wrote:I have pointed out timeline of the event.

Proof he has been inactive since.

And I'll have telegram recruitment details tommorow.

You didn't prove any of those things. They were in plain sight.

I chose Minerva as my nation's name as it was the only de facto non communist libertarian nation conceived. What brought of Minerva's downfall was ultimately a principle I stand against: unwillingness to invest in protecting your homeland. Ergo, canonically the version of Minerva I play is much more aggressive, interventionist nation with a strong national defense.

Einsiev wrote:I don't enjoy your language so talk to me when gain some maturity.

I don't enjoy you being an awful human being.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Coming from someone who constantly hears update about relief efforts there, the Kosovoan people are most certainly ready for sovereignty.

I think Serbia needs to remain in control for a while. Maybe in the coming years it could become independent. So, what's your stance on Transnistria?

Alchandria wrote:I don't enjoy you being an awful human being.

You know nothing about me. I don't see how I'm being awful in any way at all.

Alchandria wrote:I don't enjoy you being an awful human being.

That's it..... where's the restriction. Do we have any because his ability to say that is crap.

The Time Alliance wrote:That's it..... where's the restriction. Do we have any because his ability to say that is crap.

He does. Free speech. You are a proponent from past experience would prove.

Einsiev wrote:You know nothing about me. I don't see how I'm being awful in any way at all.

Because you are only pushing this trial to get me off the board.

Einsiev wrote:I think Serbia needs to remain in control for a while. Maybe in the coming years it could become independent. So, what's your stance on Transnistria?

Serbia can hardly take care of themselves, and they're rather hard on the Kosovoans.

Alchandria wrote:Because you are only pushing this trial to get me off the board.

No, I'm not. It was a fair race till this came up.

Alchandria wrote:Because you are only pushing this trial to get me off the board.

.... That doesn't justify calling him "A horrible human being."

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