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Ill wait for the boards say then. Until then, ill be playing with my Newtons's Cradle.

Hallo Island wrote:Regardless of the puppets, you still lose. Your infantile "its not fair" whining is irrelevant. Alchandria won. Stop belly aching about it.

I never did. I just said I wasn't including that vote. Don't put word's in my mouth.

Muh Roads wrote:Easy there, Time Alliance lost fair and Square and even congratulated Alchandria on his victory.

Thank you

Pevvania wrote:Power goes off for a few hours and all this happens while I'm gone :P

[B]The Board Elections are now closed[/B]

This was a rather uneventful election cycle, save for the widely-publicised retention of Seat 5 and the cabinet shuffle-up. New changes to the Board and cabinet will be made official tomorrow, as the new (-ish) Board begins its first day. Thank you [nation=short]Lack There Of[/nation] for your service to the cabinet, and welcome to the Board at the same time. I also look forward to working with [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] to improve the region's domestic affairs and [nation=short]Conservative Idealism[/nation]in a new capacity more befitting to him.

Concerning the recent 'scandal': I don't find it plausible that [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] may have resorted to vote-rigging. First of all, two of the three new arrivals came on Muh Roads's request. Secondly, Alchandria never ran a strong campaign, so wouldn't have gone to the lengths of puppeteering just for the sake of winning. And thirdly, why resort to such a tactic when you're guaranteed victory anyway? There's simply no motive for this whatsoever. But, in respecting the sovereignty of the Board, if they wish to mount an investigation or have the Attorney-General embark on one they may do so, although I see no reason to at all.

There is no point in investigating. Even if those three are rigged voters (which I only think one is) it's still 6-10. Either way he Wins so why is this such a "Scandal"?

You can launch an investigation if you would like. But since I never made or associated with any puppets, I can't see a whole lot of a point. I knew I would win. It was a socialist vs. a Libertarian in a primarily Libertarian region. I come back and see all this riff raff saying I rigged the election. Do I even need to justify myself?

This region has a different means of dealing with voter fraud than I'm used to. Lolz

Sorry, I was inactive for a few hours. I digress on the fraud issue. The Board will meet to decide on our next actions regarding puppeteering. The President and Manager of Internal Affairs will be involved..

I am included in the board, correct?

Humpheria wrote:Sorry, I was inactive for a few hours. I digress on the fraud issue. The Board will meet to decide on our next actions regarding puppeteering. The President and Manager of Internal Affairs will be involved..

When shall we meet?

I had the mods take care of the uh.. "problem nation" that just CTE'd.

By "problem nation" we mean scandalous puppet, correct?

Hallo Island wrote:By "problem nation" we mean scandalous puppet, correct?

Weve never had any solid evidence that the nation was a puppet. Probably just a youngster, a deeply troubled, misguided, youth.

Humpheria wrote:Sorry, I was inactive for a few hours. I digress on the fraud issue. The Board will meet to decide on our next actions regarding puppeteering. The President and Manager of Internal Affairs will be involved..

Whethe or not you perform an investigation - which would be counterproductive and utterly futile - there is not any law specifically prohibiting the use of puppets to inflate the number of votes a candidate receives. So regardless of any alleged intent or actions, Alchandria or whatever party that would allegedly be responsible cannot be prosecuted or be penalised in any way according to the law.

The only way to prevent such a practice occurring is by creating a law to address it. I've been toying with the idea of a Citizenship Act for a while, and recommend that the Board and Internal Affairs Manager (as of tomorrow) convene on it.

Sounds like something that should have been done a long time ago.

I think that was the idea Pev, or at least I hope it was.

Alchandria wrote:Sounds like something that should have been done a long time ago.

I agree, we will get this situation sorted out.

Pevvania wrote:Whethe or not you perform an investigation - which would be counterproductive and utterly futile - there is not any law specifically prohibiting the use of puppets to inflate the number of votes a candidate receives. So regardless of any alleged intent or actions, Alchandria or whatever party that would allegedly be responsible cannot be prosecuted or be penalised in any way according to the law.

The only way to prevent such a practice occurring is by creating a law to address it. I've been toying with the idea of a Citizenship Act for a while, and recommend that the Board and Internal Affairs Manager (as of tomorrow) convene on it.

No law?

Muh Roads wrote:I think that was the idea Pev, or at least I hope it was.

I agree, we will get this situation sorted out.

We need fixed. Make this law. Quick please.

Pevvania wrote:The only way to prevent such a practice occurring is by creating a law to address it. I've been toying with the idea of a Citizenship Act for a while, and recommend that the Board and Internal Affairs Manager (as of tomorrow) convene on it.

That was what i meant. It is too late, and unnecessary to do anything involving prosecution. I mean drafting important legislation. Perhaps on the forum or via tg for those who need to be there.

Neutricland thinks we're trying to take TFI over. It sounds like he's leaving.

•3 hours ago: The United States of Dick Balls ceased to exist.

lolwtf

Humpheria wrote:Neutricland thinks we're trying to take TFI over. It sounds like he's leaving.

That sure is interesting.

It's not. It's sad that this is a result of attempted strengthened relations.

It is sad. Even more so that they haven't done their homework. CI is about to do something great for the region and establish a constitution.. I think that is what might be bothering Neutricland the most. The premise of his authoritarian reign and cheated elections being stripped of his power indefinitely.

His first election was possibly rigged from what I could gather along with this attempt.. and they withdrew military operations with REATO under Neutricland.. its actually in the regional law.. look at Neutrics factbook. It amazes me TFI is still in the security after that move but it is not my say.

Security council*

Muh Roads wrote:It is sad. Even more so that they haven't done their homework. CI is about to do something great for the region and establish a constitution.. I think that is what might be bothering Neutricland the most. The premise of his authoritarian reign and cheated elections being stripped of his power indefinitely.

I saw their parties. I laughed a lot upon viewing them.

Muh Roads wrote:His first election was possibly rigged from what I could gather along with this attempt.. and they withdrew military operations with REATO under Neutricland.. its actually in the regional law.. look at Neutrics factbook. It amazes me TFI is still in the security after that move but it is not my say.

Withdrew operations with Reagan Treaty? Well. That doesn't make him evil.

The Time Alliance wrote: Withdrew operations with Reagan Treaty? Well. That doesn't make him evil.

Didn't intend to make it sound as if that made him evil. My apologies. What I mean to say is TFI seems to have had a decent enough history within REATO and I feel that they should be involved in military affairs to stay a member OR become an observer.

I dont think Neutricland is evil either. But I do feel that he cheats elections and I dont like his leadership. Maybe im jumping the gun and making assumptions, but he seems to have a lot of opposition besides the people he knows IRL.

So what would be the best course of action?

Hallo Island wrote:So what would be the best course of action?

Wait it out. Let them develop a constitution.

Sounds good to me.

Muh Roads wrote:Didn't intend to make it sound as if that made him evil. My apologies. What I mean to say is TFI seems to have had a decent enough history within REATO and I feel that they should be involved in military affairs to stay a member OR become an observer.

I dont think Neutricland is evil either. But I do feel that he cheats elections and I dont like his leadership. Maybe im jumping the gun and making assumptions, but he seems to have a lot of opposition besides the people he knows IRL.

Libertatem has never really got along well with Neutric. He started the infamous 'Cold War' with us over the results of the 2012 election, but when he CTE'd relations warmed up. As allies we were being brought closer together for a while until he returned and started causing friction once more. But to be fair, he's been fairly tolerable to work with since he ascended to the Delegacy. And I do believe that during his first election there was quite a bit of talk about illicit practices.

Pevvania wrote:Libertatem has never really got along well with Neutric. He started the infamous 'Cold War' with us over the results of the 2012 election, but when he CTE'd relations warmed up. As allies we were being brought closer together for a while until he returned and started causing friction once more. But to be fair, he's been fairly tolerable to work with since he ascended to the Delegacy. And I do believe that during his first election there was quite a bit of talk about illicit practices.

I read a bit about the civil war from whats remaining on the forums. Shame, i had no idea he was the one who started it. I have good hopes for TFI though. With a president like CI i don't see things going awry.

Thanks, but I have quite a bit of work ahead of me.

Libertatem: 5/6 countries tested tested positive for negative tax rates (no, I didn't accidentally write "tested" twice, no, that's actually 5/6, I'm not counting one of the CIs because, well, we only have one, really).

http://imgur.com/01ESmkK

Pulled some (mostly) random people. Not sure how accurate this is, but I think I'll do a more accurate test later by collecting the names of all the nations here, assigning each a number, then pulling 20 or so from a random number generator.

Kinda interesting to see stuff like this though.

This test also taught me that the previous President's name is actually Snabagag not Snagabag as I had previously been reading.

hahahahahahahahaha

Miencraft wrote:This test also taught me that the previous President's name is actually Snabagag not Snagabag as I had previously been reading.

My fault, I forgot his name.

Humpheria wrote:My fault, I forgot his name.

Actually, when I first arrived here I'd been reading it as Snagabag, so I don't even know what the hell's going on.

Probably because Snag-A-Bag makes more sense than Snab-A-Gag. I had thought it was a clever joke at first but I don't even.

Miencraft wrote:Libertatem: 5/6 countries tested tested positive for negative tax rates (no, I didn't accidentally write "tested" twice, no, that's actually 5/6, I'm not counting one of the CIs because, well, we only have one, really).

http://imgur.com/01ESmkK

Pulled some (mostly) random people. Not sure how accurate this is, but I think I'll do a more accurate test later by collecting the names of all the nations here, assigning each a number, then pulling 20 or so from a random number generator.

Kinda interesting to see stuff like this though.

Negative tax rates? How do you have negative taxes? Does the government pay the people?

The Time Alliance wrote:Negative tax rates? How do you have negative taxes? Does the government pay the people?

No idea, but we ARE dealing with the World Assembly here, so it doesn't have to make sense.

My guess would be it pulls a whole bunch of tax numbers (national income, local income, property, etc.) out of a bunch of crazy factors, then takes them all together and does some magical math to get this particular number.

The Time Alliance wrote:Negative tax rates? How do you have negative taxes? Does the government pay the people?

Yes.

http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Yes.

http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax

That's the dumbest thing. The government shouldn't be paying it's citizens (paying then is different from helping them. )

The Time Alliance wrote:That's the dumbest thing. The government shouldn't be paying it's citizens (paying then is different from helping them. )

So food stamps/basic welfare isn't a way of "paying" people?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:So food stamps/basic welfare isn't a way of "paying" people?

Not monetary no. And I said Paying people is different than helping them.

Here in America the government doesn't help the poor. It Gives free stuff to the people whom support it.

Helping would be when you offer Food stamps and Welfare to the people WHO REALLY NEED IT. (I.E The people who can't get a job/ Aren't getting paid enough at their job to survive.)

The Time Alliance wrote:Not monetary no. And I said Paying people is different than helping them.

Here in America the government doesn't help the poor. It Gives free stuff to the people whom support it.

Helping would be when you offer Food stamps and Welfare to the people WHO REALLY NEED IT. (I.E The people who can't get a job/ Aren't getting paid enough at their job to survive.)

Yes. The income tax could be set in a way that only those who truly need it would get enough to survive.

They could use it to buy food in place of food stamps. That money could be used to improve their position. They could invest in a small amount that they get each time to make more money (perhaps through the stock market, or saving for a higher education if they don't have one).

Or do you think the government needs to help them to do that?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Yes. The income tax could be set in a way that only those who truly need it would get enough to survive.

They could use it to buy food in place of food stamps. That money could be used to improve their position. They could invest in a small amount that they get each time to make more money (perhaps through the stock market, or saving for a higher education if they don't have one).

Or do you think the government needs to help them to do that?

Okay about the things you said.....

I like the income tax set for different classes Rich are taxed more than the Working Class and Lower class.

Investing money in the stock market? The stock market has crashed 3 times in 1929, 1987, and in 2000.

Or they could get Education at a Public school without having to pay. (Well Taxes still apply.)

Pev, you haven't updated the WFE to reflect the new positions.

The Time Alliance wrote:Okay about the things you said.....

I like the income tax set for different classes Rich are taxed more than the Working Class and Lower class.

Investing money in the stock market? The stock market has crashed 3 times in 1929, 1987, and in 2000.

Or they could get Education at a Public school without having to pay. (Well Taxes still apply.)

*shrug*

That doesn't make the stock market not worth investing in. You have a lot more to gain than to lose. If you play it right, it's just like gambling - except that you win more often than lose.

I believe that people would rather have money on hand than in Washington (or wherever their credits end up).

Also, I made a cool graphic that I'd like to share:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2s0k56f.jpg

Anyone in this region is free to use as a seal or whatever. Heck, all I did was taken random elements and throw them together, so it's not all my work. Just give me some credit. :)

Republic Of Minerva wrote:*shrug*

That doesn't make the stock market not worth investing in. You have a lot more to gain than to lose. If you play it right, it's just like gambling - except that you win more often than lose.

I believe that people would rather have money on hand than in Washington (or wherever their credits end up).

Also, I made a cool graphic that I'd like to share:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2s0k56f.jpg

Anyone in this region is free to use as a seal or whatever. Heck, all I did was taken random elements and throw them together, so it's not all my work. Just give me some credit. :)

Correction

"You win more than you lose [I]IF[/I] the economy is doing well.

They can have money on hand and have money in the government's. If you work it right.

And about that picture. I see the Argentinean Coat of Arms part in that seal.

Post by Republic Of Minerva suppressed by Pevvania.

Republic Of Minerva

The Time Alliance wrote:Correction

"You win more than you lose [I]IF[/I] the economy is doing well.

They can have money on hand and have money in the government's. If you work it right.

And about that picture. I see the Argentinean Coat of Arms part in that seal.

You got to smart and stringent with your money.

The liberty pole and phyrgian cap are also not limited to Argentina, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_pole

The Time Alliance wrote:Correction

"You win more than you lose [I]IF[/I] the economy is doing well.

Actually, this isn't necessarily true. After the housing bubble burst, real estate prices plummeted so my father began buying several properties he would have had no access to otherwise, many of which he's made very good profits off of as prices have begun to creep back up.

Presidential Statement on the Federal Islands Crisis

We commend The Federal Islands 2Nd Gen for its decision to overhaul its governmental institutions in order to transition back to the democracy the region is known so well for. We hope relations between our two regions can normalise relations and continue cooperation in interregional affairs. At the same time, we request that your region remain vigilant in the face of the flagrantly illegal secessionist region that has sprung up in reaction to the virtues of democracy and republicanism. Libertatem will not recognise this new 'region', and will aid in any efforts to reconstruct the image and prosperity of The Federal Islands.

Studies have shown that Miencraft is actually composed of seven islands, not five.

I feel a bit dumb for not realizing that sooner. I mean, I did draw the original map of the place, so it's kinda strange that I'd forget something that important.

So....This months Non-American Elections.

We have the:

South Australian Legislative Election. I'll be going for the The Australian Labour Party in the House and The Family First Party in the SA Legislative.

Columbian Parliamentary Election. I'll be going for The Social Party of National Unity

El Salvador Presidential Elections. I decided to go for The Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front

North Korean parliamentary election. Upon looking I have three things to say. Hm. Much Choices, Such Democracy, So hard to choose. Wow. I'll be going for the

Social Democratic Party of Korea.

Slovakian Presidential Election. I'm going with the Smer: Direction- Social Democracy Party

Serbian Parliamentary Elections. More than likely going with the Socialist Party of Serbia. But I did like two others so I'm up in the air.

Maldives Parliamentary Elections. Surprisingly I liked the Maldivian Democratic Party. So I'm going for them.

In the Antigua and Barbuda House Election I'm choosing United Progressive Party

Speaking of North Korea, what do you guys think would be the solution to bringing democracy to the nation?

Pevvania wrote:Speaking of North Korea, what do you guys think would be the solution to bringing democracy to the nation?

The current three Parties ending that party alliance.

Pevvania wrote:Speaking of North Korea, what do you guys think would be the solution to bringing democracy to the nation?

The US staying out of their business and bettering their interior.

The Time Alliance wrote:The current three Parties ending that party alliance.

That would do literally nothing to affect anything.

Humpheria wrote:The US staying out of their business and bettering their interior.

I disagree. I'm a neo-libertarian, so I believe that human rights are universal and should be protected beyond state-imposed borders. In my opinion, non-interventionism is a naive ideology that believes inaction can solve all the world's problems. China and the US should formulate an invasion plan to liberate the nation on the grounds of their extreme human rights abuses. An interim state would be established to be slowly absorbed into the Republic.

Pevvania wrote:That would do literally nothing to affect anything.

I disagree. I'm a neo-libertarian, so I believe that human rights are universal and should be protected beyond state-imposed borders. In my opinion, non-interventionism is a naive ideology that believes inaction can solve all the world's problems. China and the US should formulate an invasion plan to liberate the nation on the grounds of their extreme human rights abuses. An interim state would be established to be slowly absorbed into the Republic.

Not true.

The three Parties could go back to their original ways.

We'd have the Communist party The Socialist party and mein favorite the Social democratic Party.

Non-Interventionism is a grand thing. It keeps countries from imperialism (Like America). China would never attack NK with US. And the US should not invade them on basis of Human Right's violations. They haven't attacked us or our allies. No reason to get involved with them.

The Time Alliance wrote:Not true.

The three Parties could go back to their original ways.

We'd have the Communist party The Socialist party and mein favorite the Social democratic Party.

Come on. The Workers' Party has total control of the courts, legislature, military, economy and the other parties themselves. If the party alliance breaks, then either the party leaders will 'disappear' and pro-WPK ones will take their places, or the parties will no longer qualify to participate in 'elections'. They wield such an insignificant amount of political power it won't make an iota of difference either way.

The Time Alliance wrote:Non-Interventionism is a grand thing. It keeps countries from imperialism (Like America).

And it also keeps populations under the thumbs of oppressive dictators.

The Time Alliance wrote:China would never attack NK with US.

They definitely would under the right conditions. China sees them as an embarassment and has told State Department officials it is working to have the peninsula united under the ROK. If the US promised to withdraw all troops from the peninsula in the aftermath of a Korean Unification, China would agree to a joint-invasion, as it wants an active role in the unification talks.

The Time Alliance wrote:And the US should not invade them on basis of Human Right's violations. They haven't attacked us or our allies. No reason to get involved with them.

Not true. They've embarked on various minor attacks on their southern neighbour in the past fifty years which have killed many South Koreans. In the 70s, the DPRK captured a US navy ship and her crew, torturing them and killing one over 11 months. In 1975, a North Korean captain murdered two American soldiers with an axe. They also have a habit of capturing westerners and putting them through forced labor. So they haven't exactly done nothing to us.

Pevvania wrote:Come on. The Workers' Party has total control of the courts, legislature, military, economy and the other parties themselves. If the party alliance breaks, then either the party leaders will 'disappear' and pro-WPK ones will take their places, or the parties will no longer qualify to participate in 'elections'. They wield such an insignificant amount of political power it won't make an iota of difference either way.

They could technically still win as it is....There is no law in North Korea submitting KIM JONG IL as the only person able to run.....The only difference is they all stand for the same thing. If they changed back to their old policies and everything else stayed the same. Social Dems. could be elected

Pevvania wrote:

And it also keeps populations under the thumbs of oppressive dictators.

So. The Dictators didn't touch my country or threaten it in any conceivable way. Look. Thinking over Sensing. Judgment over Perception. Coming from an INTJ of course.

Pevvania wrote:

They definitely would under the right conditions. China sees them as an embarassment and has told State Department officials it is working to have the peninsula united under the ROK. If the US promised to withdraw all troops from the peninsula in the aftermath of a Korean Unification, China would agree to a joint-invasion, as it wants an active role in the unification talks.

And you magically trust China? The Communist state? When it is beneficial to you to trust them. China would end up taking DRNK's side and Korean war would start over...and end the same way (Unless Putin whom actually has gonads unlike everyone else steps in.)

Pevvania wrote:

Not true. They've embarked on various minor attacks on their southern neighbour in the past fifty years which have killed many South Koreans. In the 70s, the DPRK captured a US navy ship and her crew, torturing them and killing one over 11 months. In 1975, a North Korean captain murdered two American soldiers with an axe. They also have a habit of capturing westerners and putting them through forced labor. So they haven't exactly done nothing to us.

Minor attacks. Never full scale assault (which is the only time action need be taken). The 70s.....Wow...Yep 40 years ago. American's can't get over anything. They have not done anything to us that should Provoke military action. Only Provoked Diplomatic Action.

The Time Alliance wrote:1. They could technically still win as it is....There is no law in North Korea submitting KIM JONG IL as the only person able to run.....The only difference is they all stand for the same thing. If they changed back to their old policies and everything else stayed the same. Social Dems. could be elected

2. So. The Dictators didn't touch my country or threaten it in any conceivable way. Look. Thinking over Sensing. Judgment over Perception. Coming from an INTJ of course.

3. And you magically trust China? The Communist state? When it is beneficial to you to trust them. China would end up taking DRNK's side and Korean war would start over...and end the same way (Unless Putin whom actually has gonads unlike everyone else steps in.)

4. Minor attacks. Never full scale assault (which is the only time action need be taken). The 70s.....Wow...Yep 40 years ago. American's can't get over anything. They have not done anything to us that should Provoke military action. Only Provoked Diplomatic Action.

1. It literally says in the North Korean constitution that the Workers Party of Korea is to remain the "vanguard of the revolution," along with a bunch of other references to it.

2. I'm sorry but this is a little selfish. If my neighbour was torturing and killing his kids, I would care.

3. I don't, but this would be the likely outcome. China will never, ever, ever, ever go to war with the US, unless it wants to kill its own economy. It's naïve to suggest that such a scenario would ever occur - China going to war with its biggest trading partner over a weak, petty nation that literally depends on it for its existence. NK has nothing at all to offer China. Nothing.

4. Doesn't matter. The bottom line is that people are dying en masse over there. Entire families are being sentenced to concntration camps because one member makes a joke about Kim Jong-il's height. Pregnant women are being murdered and their babies torn out. One man has fine Russian lobsters airlifted to his train while the common man has to rely on insects and grass for his diet. Something has to change.

1. A vanguard is a leading part of an advancing military formation. It's the "leading" it never says you can't vote something else.

2. That would be threatening to me. Because he is my neighbor. North Korea is AN OCEAN AWAY! We have no business over there. And me? I think not feel. It's a common trait of an INTJ.

3. It's not hard to see. North Korea is basically a puppet of China. America and China have been at odds over there for a long time. It was only a few months ago we had NK threaten us. China said they'd support North Korea. Besides. Tons of nations buy from them. Plus they own our economy with the debt we owe them. We all know Russia (Who the Pentagon believes is as we speak moving a group of Submarines with nuclear capability to the East Coast. ) After sending a destroy 100 miles off the coast of Miami.

4.Then let the people revolt. My country should be focused on one thing. Fixing the economy and ending this "Civil Rights" Issues. Not another countries citizens. We need to focus on OUR CITIZENS before another countries.

1. I can't presently access sources to disprove that, but it should be absolutely clear that Kim Jong-un controls everything within the borders of the DPRK. There is no way at all that the party will allow political change. This point is so obvious I don't even know why we're debating it.

2. Democide is bad. Period.

3. If this were true, then why did China co-author sanctions on North Korea, strongly condemn nuclear tests and publicly stand with President Obama against them?

Secondly, China only owns a whopping 8 percent of the total U.S. debt. That's probably not enough to repossess Rhode Island, let alone the whole United States. And Washington isn't begging China for money, either. The debt that the US owes to China comes from treasury bonds, which are kind of like IOUs, which they buy because it helps to keep China's currency low, which is better for trade. And because they sell so much to America, China basically has to buy our debt as a way to unload the trillions of American dollars we're giving them. So the two economies are deeply interconnected. To destroy one would be to destroy both.

4. Why not do both.

Off topic, but you're an INTJ, Time Alliance?

I'm INFP. Drastically different on the think-feel spectrum.

Oops! Accidentally suppressed a post.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Off topic, but you're an INTJ, Time Alliance?

I'm INFP. Drastically different on the think-feel spectrum.

Yep. I'm not sensitive at all. I let thinking and knowledge in over sensitivity and feeling.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Off topic, but you're an INTJ, Time Alliance?

I'm INFP. Drastically different on the think-feel spectrum.

Yep. I'm not sensitive at all. I let thinking and knowledge in over sensitivity and feeling.

Feeling is what puts me on the side of humanity in the first place. I am most sensitive to the plight of the individual; which, I suppose, would be reason enough for my ideals to reflect that.

INTP. Cold, calculating, rational.

INTJ - Ayn Rand's lovebunny

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Off topic, but you're an INTJ, Time Alliance?

I'm INFP. Drastically different on the think-feel spectrum.

Interesting... I happen to be an ENFP, apparently.

Pevvania wrote:Interesting... I happen to be an ENFP, apparently.

I was wondering why you seemed to be a more outspoken version of me on NS :P

Republic Of Minerva wrote:INTP. Cold, calculating, rational.

INTJ - Ayn Rand's lovebunny

Famous INTJ's include Putin, Hannibal (BOTH)

Pevvania wrote:Interesting... I happen to be an ENFP, apparently.

You are almost the exact opposite. Of me

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I was wondering why you seemed to be a more outspoken version of me on NS :P

Maybe you've got it the wrong way round. You're much more articulate than I am here, but I happen to be quite a good speaker IRL.

Pevvania wrote:Maybe you've got it the wrong way round. You're much more articulate than I am here, but I happen to be quite a good speaker IRL.

I think it's because I take a long time to stew over a thought before I say it IRL, because I'm not very outspoken when not online.

Apparently INTJ's are Known as the 'Masterminds of the Personality types."

All Rationals are good at planning operations, but Masterminds are head and shoulders above all the rest in contingency planning. Complex operations involve many steps or stages, one following another in a necessary progression, and Masterminds are naturally able to grasp how each one leads to the next, and to prepare alternatives for difficulties that are likely to arise any step of the way. Trying to anticipate every contingency, Masterminds never set off on their current project without a Plan A firmly in mind, but they are always prepared to switch to Plan B or C or D if need be.

Masterminds are rare, comprising no more than one to two percent of the population, and they are rarely encountered outside their office, factory, school, or laboratory.

Masterminds are not at all eager to take command, preferring to stay in the background until others demonstrate their inability to lead. Once they take charge, however, they are thoroughgoing pragmatists. Masterminds are certain that efficiency is indispensable in a well-run organization, and if they encounter inefficiency -- any waste of human and material resources -- they are quick to realign operations and reassign personnel. Masterminds do not feel bound by established rules and procedures, and traditional authority does not impress them, nor do slogans or catchwords. Only ideas that make sense to them are adopted; those that don't, aren't, no matter who thought of them. Remember, their aim is always maximum efficiency.

In their careers, Masterminds usually rise to positions of responsibility, for they work long and hard and are dedicated in their pursuit of goals, sparing neither their own time and effort nor that of their colleagues and employees. Problem-solving is highly stimulating to Masterminds, who love responding to tangled systems that require careful sorting out. Ordinarily, they verbalize the positive and avoid comments of a negative nature; they are more interested in moving an organization forward than dwelling on mistakes of the past.

From this website: http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.aspx

I have many of the traits of a mastermind - I believe I've acquired them from my family - as can be evidenced by my influence in NationState's libertarian regions. My temperament does not reflect this, however, so I'm a fan of delegating and promoting individual liberties despite my creation of structure on the interregional level.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I have many of the traits of a mastermind - I believe I've acquired them from my family - as can be evidenced by my influence in NationState's libertarian regions. My temperament does not reflect this, however, so I'm a fan of delegating and promoting individual liberties despite my creation of structure on the interregional level.

What's your personality type?

INFP you said?

The Time Alliance wrote:What's your personality type?

INFP you said?

Yep.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Yep.

Ah a Healer.

Healers present a calm and serene face to the world, and can seem shy, even distant around others. But inside they're anything but serene, having a capacity for personal caring rarely found in the other types. Healers care deeply about the inner life of a few special persons, or about a favorite cause in the world at large. And their great passion is to heal the conflicts that trouble individuals, or that divide groups, and thus to bring wholeness, or health, to themselves, their loved ones, and their community.

Healers have a profound sense of idealism that comes from a strong personal sense of right and wrong. They conceive of the world as an ethical, honorable place, full of wondrous possibilities and potential goods. In fact, to understand Healers, we must understand that their deep commitment to the positive and the good is almost boundless and selfless, inspiring them to make extraordinary sacrifices for someone or something they believe in. Set off from the rest of humanity by their privacy and scarcity, Healers can often feel even more isolated in the purity of their idealism.

I know I'm a Healer, but I prefer the Tank role in the few MMOs I play. Lol :3

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I know I'm a Healer, but I prefer the Tank role in the few MMOs I play. Lol :3

Haha

Pevvania wrote:Speaking of North Korea, what do you guys think would be the solution to bringing democracy to the nation?

Any real change would have to internally through mass education. As much as I hate to say it, states are merely reflections of the masses in the country. I'm not saying the Koreans love the regime, though some very well might, I'm simply saying that the vast majority don't understand anything different in regards to governing apparatuses .

Look to Iraq for an example. Once Hussein was deposed the whole nation went to ruin because the people weren't ready for anything different. The US interventionist policies in Iraq have caused untold amounts of chaos and destruction in a nation that was once one of the most stable in the region.

[B]Presidential Election[/B]

Later next month will be our second Presidential Election as mandated by the Fourth Amendment. (I was de facto re-elected in December as no-one challenged me.) Maybe it's a bit too early to be posting a poll, but I'm interested to see where public opinion is at. Vote in the straw poll above.

I'm pretty sure you're the fan favorite indefinitely, Pev.

Just don't let it go to your head. We know what happened with Snabagag.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I'm pretty sure you're the fan favorite indefinitely, Pev.

Just don't let it go to your head. We know what happened with Snabagag.

Haha, I won't! ^_^ I only took on the Presidency because I had to, and will probably relinquish it when all of my goals are accomplished.

I'm just amazed that they haven't all been accomplished yet.

Still, this has been a simply great political environment. Just about everyone that currently holds a government position, under the right circumstances, would be a worthy successor for the Presidency.

I'm an ENTJ. I've tested once every year for the last 3 just for a personal science project.

Time Alliance is running for President. That's cool, I guess.

I wanted to put my vote down for "Sure, I'd be up for running" but then I realized I still have things I want to do before I do that.

Good luck to Time Alliance though.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Time Alliance is running for President. That's cool, I guess.

Well. I figured why not. Third times a charm.

Miencraft wrote:I wanted to put my vote down for "Sure, I'd be up for running" but then I realized I still have things I want to do before I do that.

Good luck to Time Alliance though.

Thank you.

With all due respect to the time alliance, I feel as if the chances of a socialist winning elections in an extreme right wing region are slim to none.

Hallo Island wrote:With all due respect to the time alliance, I feel as if the chances of a socialist winning elections in an extreme right wing region are slim to none.

For the last time. I am not Socialist. I am a Social Democrat.

The Time Alliance wrote:For the last time. I am not Socialist. I am a Social Democrat.

What is the difference? A Social Democrat entails socialism, so I don't see how Hallo Island was wrong

Hallo Island wrote:With all due respect to the time alliance, I feel as if the chances of a socialist winning elections in an extreme right wing region are slim to none.

To be fair, Tine Alliance really campaigns on his centrists leanings and the label "right wing" isn't really accurate considering the vast disparities in ideologies between the several member nations within the region.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:What is the difference? A Social Democrat entails socialism, so I don't see how Hallo Island was wrong

No. A Social Democrat is one who believes in a mixture of a Socialist and Capitalist system within the boundaries of a democratic Government.

So moderation or another term Centrism.

Lack There Of wrote:To be fair, Tine Alliance really campaigns on his centrists leanings and the label "right wing" isn't really accurate considering the vast disparities in ideologies between the several member nations within the region.

Centrism. Yes.

The Time Alliance wrote:Centrism. Yes.

Not that I particularly approve of that belief system

The Time Alliance wrote:Well. I figured why not. Third times a charm. Thank you.

Good luck to ya!

A surprisingly close vote for Board Chairman has seen Humpheria re-elected. The Reaganist majority has also fallen apart, as Lack There Of has declined to join the Majority Caucus.

We're beginning to see the beginning of true party politics.

Congrats to Humpheria!!!

Anyways, I don't remember Libertatem being too hot on centrism, either.

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