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Region: Libertatem
Secession is more logical (and more civilized) than rebellion. After all, the American experience has never truly (in any case) been one of rebellion, but of separation. Especially the Confederate experience, which created the main idea for secession.
Thanks is extended to Board Member [nation=short]VincitQuiSeVincit[/nation], for his long service to this region. However, due to inactivity, it is necessary to open his position to the nation's of Libertatem.
To all who haven't read it, here is our constitution:
The Constitution of Libertatem
We, the nations of Libertatem, establish this constitution to insure security, justice, and greatest of all, liberty, for ourselves and the future and to stay the course of defeating communism and socialism so that all nations may have true liberty.
Article I
Legislative
Section I
Subsection I
The Board shall consist of eight nations. These nations shall be chosen through appointments by the founder. If an impeachment is successful, a new appointment shall be made.
Subsection II
Three of these nations shall have executive authorities and titles of Manager of Military Affairs, Manager of Recruitment and Internal Affairs, and Manager of the State.
Subsection III
The Board shall have the authority to approve the construction of embassies, declare war, create peace, and check the power of the WA Delegate when it deems fit through petition and redress, as well as a popular vote among the various Board Members and Managers.
Subsection IV
The Board must choose among them, via votes to the founder as well as the Regional Message Board, a Chairman, which shall act as the general leader of the elected representatives.
Subsection V
The Board, its members, and the Managers may not propose taxation or a budget of any kind in the name of the region, nor may they attempt to create legislation outside the realm of embassies, war, peace, and the check of Delegate power.
Subsection VI
The members of the Board, including the Managers, shall have 24 hours to submit their vote to the founder.
Section II
Subsection I
The House of Representatives shall consist of all nations residing within the region of Libertatem.
Subsection II
A vote of no confidence in an appointed Board member or Manager may be undertaken via the House of Representatives. This shall be the power of impeachment.
Subsection III
The House has the power to impeach any member of the Board or the Managers, but not the founder, WA Delegate or Vice WA Delegate. An impeachment can be called for with the approval of four nations. For an impeachment to be successful, a simple majority of the nations who took part in the voting must have voted for such an impeachment, as opposed to a majority of the entire region.
Subsection IV
The House shall make any law for the region it sees fit to be vetoed or approved by the founder or WA Delegate, but the bill must have the vote of two thirds of the nations residing within the region in order to become law.
Article II
Executive
Section I
Subsection I
The Executive branch of Libertatem shall consist of the founder, the WA Delegate, the Vice WA Delegate, and the Managers (who shall also retain legislative capabilities).
Subsection II
The founder shall always retain the supreme executive authority in the region. When a matter is deemed a tie, is very close, or is predictable, the founder may use executive authority to resolve the issue in any manner that should be deemed the greatest good of the region. This executive authority extends to all powers over the legislative branch and the security of the region.
Subsection III
The WA Delegate shall hold the power of the founder, but only at the discretion of the founder. The founder may restrict, or veto, the Delegates power, or choose to share more privileges. WA Delegate status is achieved by having the majority endorsements.
Subsection IV
The Vice WA Delegate shall have the power to break ties in the event of one occurring between the Board Members and Managers. Vice WA Delegate status is achieved by having the second greatest majority endorsements; however, the founder may name a Vice WA Delegate if endorsements are tied or a nation that is already on the Board or is a Manager has more endorsements.
Subsection V
The Manager of Military Affairs shall cooperate with the founder and the WA Delegate regarding military strategies and organization of military tactics, excluding role playing.
Subsection VI
The Manager of Recruitment and Internal Affairs shall cooperate with the founder and the WA Delegate regarding the regions expansion policies and the keeping of peace, harmony, and cohesion within the region through means solely approved of by the founder.
Subsection VII
The Manager of the State shall cooperate with the founder and the WA Delegate regarding all non-military foreign affairs with alien regions and nations excluding role playing.
Article III
Judiciary
Section I
Subsection I
The government of Libertatem shall have an Attorney General, appointed by the founder, who shall make cases when needed for the government based on existing laws and this constitution.
Subsection II
The House of Representatives may, if it so chooses, elect a Peoples Attorney with the duty of criticizing or speaking out against government actions. This includes speaking out against actions made by the House. Any nation who wishes to present a case against a certain act may do so independently, but the case must use legal authority pertaining to existing laws and this constitution.
Section II
All cases must be submitted to the founder and the founder alone, as the supreme arbiter of the law, for judicial review.
Article IV
Amendments
Section I
This constitution may be amended in two out of three of the following ways.
Subsection I
The founder seeks an amendment to the constitution.
Subsection II
The Board, the Managers, the WA Delegate, and the Vice WA Delegate all seek an amendment to the constitution.
Subsection III
The House of Representatives may seek an amendment with one third of the regions population.
Section II
The founder shall have the power to make adjustments and edits to the constitution for the purposes of efficiency. This power shall extend until the constitution is made agreeable. It, the power, shall expire two months after the creation of the constitution.
Article V
Suspension
Section I
Subsection I
In the event of invasion or imminent security threats to the region, this constitution may be suspended by the founder until said threat is defeated or deemed no longer a threat.
Subsection II
A threat is defined as imminent destruction to the regions population, spam on the RMB, illegal recruitment telegrams, any coup that uses communist/socialist forces for aide.
Section II
The WA Delegate may suspend this constitution with six of eight approvals from the Board and the Managers provided the threat follows the definition in Article V, Section I, Subsection II.
Article VI
Approval
Section I
This constitution shall be approved with a two thirds majority of the Board Members and Managers. Their votes shall be inscribed on this constitution, whether they voted for or against it.
Article VII
Rights
Section I
Subsection I
The government shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Subsection II
All nations may retain the power of weaponry, or arms, in order to secure the liberty of the state and its people. No law shall be made restricting the ownership of said weapons.
Subsection III
No nation shall be investigated by Internal Affairs without suspicion or probable cause.
Subsection IV
Every nation has a right to represent him or herself in a trial or case when banjection is considered. If the case is made to the founder and on the Regional Message Board using legal authority, suppression will not follow.
Subsection V
All nations are entitled to the liberties that can be provided. Liberty shall not be infringed upon without probable cause and legal justification.
Subsection VI
All the powers not designated to the Regional Government, belong to the nations respectively.
Subsection VII
Nations have a right to form and keep any form of government they so choose, as long as said government does not infringe upon the rights of other Libertatem nations and is in no way allied with the forces of socialism and communism. The founder retains the power to make exceptions for this rule.
Article VIII
Anti-Communism
Section I
Subsection I
The factbook of Libertatem founder The Confederate States of Liberosia shall be used as a precedent in accordance with the manner in which the regions politics shall be carried out.
Subsection II
This speech, although not directed at the nations of Libertatem, rather the people of Liberosia, retains full legal capabilities.
Subsection III
Citizens of Liberosia,
All forms of totalitarianism in our country have been abolished. The private sector makes a massive majority of our economy and we are thriving as a nation. However, there still exists nations dedicated to government power, and although the game of NationStates does not allow them to progress to their natural state of totalitarianism, we know from history that this ideology is the cause of much suffering and death. In this light, The Confederacy of Liberosia hereby declares war on communism. We will help any nation/region who wishes to pursue this war on communism by means of puppets, traditional warfare, and deception. This all in the name of a free people trying to pursue a free market. In case of invasion of our region, all radically leftist nations who are WA delegates will be ejected and banned to insure the security and stability of the region. Nations only moderately leftist will be permitted to enter the region without fear of banishment. Because we wish to further this cause effectively, the capitalist nations will be forced to ally with the fascist nations. In this light, fascist nations will not be ejected from the region, but we maintain this region is inherently capitalist, not fascist. If a fascist nation comes to power, spams, or otherwise disrupts the stability of our region, he or she will be ejected and banned. The Confederacy of Liberosia notes that it will be shunned by even capitalist regions/nations. It could encounter hostility from a variety of different regions. It is doubtful that our region will grow at the same rate as other more neutral regions. We will most probably remain stagnate. We will encounter ridicule, and mockery. However, we will shoulder all of these. To any nation reading this, if you are anti-communist, if you believe in free people and free markets, if you don't want to see the communists take power now or ever, you have a home in Libertatem.
Thank you
Article IX
Party System
Section I
The party system descriptions and rules can be found here.
Section II
The party system is extremely informal and the member nations are left to decide how their party shall operate through their own coordination.
Approve
Liberosia
Snabagag
Conservative Idealism
Coolidgestein
Independent States of America
RedBadge
Einsiev
Rotgeheim
That is quite the constitucíon. I suggest replacing "Rotgeheim" with "Steinweg".
In answer to Liberosia:
I understand your stance perfectly, and again, I used to agree but since then I have come into contact with the works of men such as Murray Rothbard and Hans-Hermann Hoppe. After that, I lost all faith in democracy.
Democracy is in fact not very different from monarchy, as Hoppe says, the difference is that democracy is public government and monarchy is private government, so the monarch would use his power more wisely because he must think to the future but the democratically elected official has 3 years to do as he wishes and then in the last year, use the media to manipulate citizens into thinking they need him again. Therefore I am not a supporter of democracy, although it has worked best of what has been tried in modern times (market anarchy existed in medieval Iceland).
Simply put, I believe men can live amongst each other without the initiation of force by government, and that goverment is in no way essential to civilization but rather an obstacle for civilization. Government will always abuse its citizens and such practice I can not condone, "There was never a good government" someone said.
Shall we now agree to disagree on this? I understand you, and I hope you understand me.
Liberosia - you are correct on Hobbes, although I believe he is correct on the state of nature. Perhaps Locke provides a better template?
Democracy is stupid whenever 51% of the populace is idiotic.
The solution is simple - make sure the majority of the populace isn't moronic.
I'm sorry but I resign
I'm very sorry
:(
Our regional government slots are becoming vacant fast. We need to re-organize and become smaller.
Might I recommend disestablishing the board and re-assigning managerial positions to former board members? It will ensure that the majority of our regional government officials are active, and will be a great stride towards a small, yet efficient government.
I propose that we put CI's idea to a vote.
You can vote in the House. Directions for amendments are in the constitution.
Alright then House I want you to vote "yea" or " nay " on CI's idea of reducing our manager positions. The voting process will end 5:00 pm eastern time on wednesday so everyone may vote. Put you answer on the RMB and it will be recorded.
My vote will be no!
Nay.
I'd like CI to provide further explanation to his idea.
Hit 3 billion population, finally.
Okay, I'm thinking we can just get rid of the Board Member positions, as well as the Chairman position. Two of the three current board members could become the managers of military and state, and the remaining could be re-assigned to a new manager role that works however Liberosia sees fit.
In this way, the regional government as a whole would be a lot more efficient, somewhat more active, and - this is important - smaller.
In any case, we need a government suited to our decreased nation count - allowing for up to one-fifth of the region's population to be in a position of power isn't really such a good idea. While it is not necessarily a problem that we have fewer nations than we did before (after all, those who have remained here TRULY have the interests of Libertatem at heart), we should either reorganize to avoid having a huge chunk of blank space or try to fill the space with new nations.
I've said time and time again that I am not the most reliable recruiter, and I haven't had time to do as much recruiting as I'd like. Perhaps we should organize a joint recruitment effort, and attempt to introduce as many nations into the fold as possible. We could send puppets to boost our numbers until they level back out, at which point they can return to their rightful places. The thing is, we need more than one person to do this - that's why I've been looking for help in my Department.
I'm not sure how much time I could devote to helping recruit, but I could definitely do some when possible. Is there a standard message you're sending out for recruiting?
There are aspects of the idea I like, but as a whole, I think it's too radical. I vote nay.
I'd be glad to help recruiting.
It is by no means an unflexible plan, and I personally didn't want to call a vote for it just yet.
What aspects do you like?
I'll telegram all interested parties some templates for recruiting.
The results so far are:
Nays-3
Yeas-0 ( unless CI voted yes then it's a 1)
I can't vote, but for what it's worth, I'd probably be a "nay" if I could. Also interested in helping to recruit. If we have multiple people recruiting it may make sense to coordinate what regions or nations are being targeted by whom, in order to avoid multiple people contacting the same prospect (apparently frowned upon by NS).
Hold off. It's my idea, so I say no voting...yet. (Also, Grand Macallan, you can vote, seeing as your nation is present within this region.)
I know it sounds like a radical idea, but I would prefer to have a less radical alternative rather than dismissing the idea altogether. We need a government with fewer inactive nations, fewer vacancies, and more nations that have the region's interests at heart, and any method of carrying that out is fine with me, not just my proposal.
Am I missing something or is the current WA proposal re: currencies totally stupid?
Alright due to CI's request the voting is suspended so he can have time to reform his idea.
Just in case that this actually happens, where do we should move if Libertatem collapses?
The currency standards act is as stupid as keynesianism, don't even think about approving it, please!
So...do we have any other plans to fill/remove the vacancies and improve the structure?
UWS, we aren't moving anywhere because there will be no collapse.
I most definitely voted against the currency standards act. It's one of those things that's so insanely stupid that i almost had to think twice!
Oh and Snabagag - how goes the WA legislation that you're drafting? Let me take a glance after you submit it, I'd like to endorse you.
Sorry for the many posts but want to get thoughts before I forget to ask. What does everyone think of what's happening with the Japanese targeting 2-3% inflation? Wanted to remember to get everyone's thoughts on this (it's scary stuff, in my opinion).
The what?
I got into a very, very pointless debate on the NationStates forums. And I won by accepting defeat. :P
Aha, sneaky idea.
Executive Request
As your founder and leader, I would like to put forward a plan I have for regional reinvigoration. As you all know, the region has suffered a recent population loss. Part of these were puppets of which I allowed to die, and a smaller portion were independent nations. To correct our population loss, I am firmly requesting that all members of this region create and maintain roughly 5 puppets. This even distribution of puppets will allow for greater population stability.
There will be no requirement to report your puppets. You have two motives to follow this plan:
1) Regional Patriotism: you would be doing a service to your region
2) Anticommunism: you would be doing a service to the collective population of the Anticomintern Pact
3) Self Gain: the constitution is structured so that every nation, not player, gets a vote in the House; the more nations you have the more influence
Thank you
WORKERS UNITE!
I'll get to the puppets later today if I remember.
Maybe I'll just re-open the puppets I already had.
It delights me to inform you that my first WA proposal is in the works. Up to this point, I have not felt the need to make a proposal, but I am now working on two proposals.
The first one is the "Restrictions on restrictions on civil gun ownership act" and bans all restriction of civil gun ownership.
The second one is the "Anti Government Counterfeit act" and affirms that no central bank shall weaken the economy by printing more than 1%-5% of the Gross GDP each 10 years.
Hey guys!
Welcome!
Okay, so that's one puppet created, three to go!
Post self-deleted by The Other Five Islands.
I ran out of flags for puppets, so I used one of my older ones.
I'm glad to see the puppet manufacturing is going well.
The Confederate States of Liberosia (16 hours ago)
Executive Request
As your founder and leader, I would like to put forward a plan I have for regional reinvigoration. As you all know, the region has suffered a recent population loss. Part of these were puppets of which I allowed to die, and a smaller portion were independent nations. To correct our population loss, I am firmly requesting that all members of this region create and maintain roughly 5 puppets. This even distribution of puppets will allow for greater population stability.
There will be no requirement to report your puppets. You have two motives to follow this plan:
1) Regional Patriotism: you would be doing a service to your region
2) Anticommunism: you would be doing a service to the collective population of the Anticomintern Pact
3) Self Gain: the constitution is structured so that every nation, not player, gets a vote in the House; the more nations you have the more influence
Thank you
I suppose I have some forces in the Atlantic Docks that I don't need there right now.
Including my recruitment puppet, five of the nations here belong to me.
You all should watch some FOX news or c-span, Hillary is testifying!
I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there's someone here posing as (or perhaps actually is) a communist.
It's that random time again in my nation where we elect a new leader and that leader is Allen West!
Alright, this is the fourth puppet of mine. Going to get a fifth set up tomorrow.
Anyway, I think I'll recruit a bit. I've got a little time on my hands.
Alright House I would like to propose a Bill written by me that I would like you all to vote on and here it is.
Recently our numbers have dipped low ( due to numerous reasons ) and thanks to CI we all know that there is a communist within our ranks, it is rather obvious that he is a communist just look at his motto. I would first like CI to be recognised as a staunch communist fighter of Libertatem and second ( which is the meat and potatoes of this bill ) I want the Manager of Internal Affairs and his staff to conduct background checks and interviews ( via telegram ) on anyone that joins us who are not puppets of members in this region.
The voting will end Saturday at 6:30 pm eastern time.
I'll start the voting off with a big fat YES.
That seems rather invasive. I like where you're coming from, but as an advocate of free government I'll have to vote NO.
(In any case, I'll say something if I see anything suspicious.)
Also, I welcome all nations that have just arrived.
I'll just vote no for now because, for one it does seem invasive as CI has said, and people could always just lie in telegrams/do whatever to make themselves seem less suspicious.
Kind of like Mafia!
In unrelated news, the Denaria is now worth $1.993. So close.
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1 Conservative Coin=$1.3165 it can only get better
I vote nay. It is too invasive, and makes it a hassle to join. Either way, we'll find out soon enough if there is a communist amongst us. On that subject, mr. attourney general should adress the matter to the founder and delegate so that action may be taken.
Also, I'm looking to appoint a new defense manager. Those interested may contact me via telegram and inform me of their tactics.
I agree with the previous voters- no.
I vote for, but the bill needs some restructuring.
I from federal islands sup with u
Okay, so the bill is intended to:
- Commend me for opposing communism.
- Grant the responsibility of performing background checks on newly recruited nations to the Department of Internal Affairs.
- Grant the responsibility of questioning newly recruited nations via telegram of their allegiances to the Department of Internal Affairs.
...I don't require a commendation (although that's very nice of you, thanks), I can already check (without being invasive) if a nation has communist allegiances, and it would be a waste of my time to accuse them of being commies via telegram. I don't see this bill working out, sorry.
Hi, I Will Enslave You. Welcome to Libertatem.
Nice to meet u
Me has questions y u make embassy wit federal island
I'd like to know the answer to that also. I'm also amazed that relations between our regions are improving.
Perhaps it's because of our united resolve to stamp out communism.
We should not be asking "why" but instead be glad that we are once again allies that will figjt communism even if our regions have different ideas. We will put aside our differences and work with our friends as equals.
Well said, ISA. Well said.
I negotiated the embassies.
Would anyone like to help me co author a bill I have in mind? If so, comment or telegram me. This is a regional bill, not one for the WA.
2 more to go!
Done! 4 puppet's created and moved to here!
Sorry about that! I forgot to switch to the main country!
Excellent job. The region appreciates your Patriotism.
In the midst of all our regional patriotism, I would like to start an in depth discussion. We always talk about the benefits of capitalism economically---there is really no sane argument against the fiscal might and superiority of the free market system. However, the main drive for liberal and socialist economics is the moral issue. They always claim the moral high ground in their quest to help the "poor, downtrodden, and disabled" of society. What are your views on the morality of capitalism over socialism?
hi :)
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In socialism it seems everyone is poor with those high tax rates. Its also disgusting how people that support socialism have no morals because they sell them out for the government to take care of them. I also believe that capitalism is a great system but I myself am a free market capitalist not a crony capitalist like we see today.
Remember, " Government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem!"
So you're an anarchist?
Reagan had said that government is the problem, and he was definitely not an anarchist.
WOOOOOOO COMMUNISM!
WORKERS UNITE!
I think we've found our Communist.
Hmmm... Please, communist, tell us why you like your idiot ideology?
Don't be mean be gay like rainbow
So far the results on that bill is:
2 yes
4 no
Just felt like we all needed a little update.
I would also like to introduce a fun little game for anyone to play in their spare time, it's called Win the White House on a website called icivics. You can always just search the game name on a search engine to find it its really a great game to play in my opinion.
It gets stuck at 94% for me. Always.
Just keep trying is all I can advise.
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Well, I had to re-connect, but I won with 277.
That was close.
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It's a pretty good game, during the start I like to take away my opponents states then get cali, texas, ny, and florida.
Socialism is immoral because it encourages people not to live up to their full potential. Why work when you can have a free fridge full of government cheese, and a free prescription of medical marijuana?
Indeed. Socialism doesn't work because socialists don't work.
I never understood the argument that by decriminalising and making marijuana boring that it would end the dealers from bringing the drugs over here. I believe that it gives them more of a reason to bring it because more people will buy and sell without ramifications. I think I'll stick with fighting the drug dealers like Bush 41 did as head of the CIA.
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