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Pevvania wrote:3. Then neither should unions.

4. Cite me some credible scientific evidence to back up your claim. Regardless, humanity must go on, as we will have many challenges to face in the coming centuries that could threaten our existence.

5. National Socialism is a form of fascism.

3. Unions fight so Corporations can't push the working class around.

4. Just when I thought we could agree on something you turn LIBERAL. Why do you choose to go liberal on THAT issue. Anyways second time FOX was used in an argument of mine.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/30/proof-global-warming-isnt-making-weather-wackier/

5. There's a reason NAZIS aren't considered fascists. That's the reason. Anyways. Fascism is only a form of Authoritarian/ Totalitarian systems. So if National Socialism is only one form of Fascism that makes fascism only one form of Authoritarian government.

Wait........what?

The Time Alliance wrote:Not really.

Fascists are Right- Wing.

Communists are Left-Wing.

A group named right Expo would be expected or SHOULD include Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Right-Centrists, Fascists, Anarchists and Reactionaries.

Also, I am of the opinion that Libertarianism is an ideology beyond left and right, but that is just me.

"Rightists" believe in corporate welfare and social conservatism, backed by a huge military-industrial complex. Libertarians do not. Libertarianism, voluntaryism, and to an extent classical liberalism, exist beyond the modem of "left vs. right".

Fascism is right wing because it takes the above to the extreme.

Plus, the left-right system is outdated, but people won't stop thinking in that order.

Can't quote so yeah.

I hardly ever use the Right - Left Spectrum. I use the Political Compass. This more of started over Progressivism and Reactionaries. Not left are Right.

NAZIs were Far Right-Authoritarian. Fascism is a more Right - Authoritarian while totalitarianism is Authoritarian with both leftist abd right variations.

The Time Alliance wrote:3. Unions fight so Corporations can't push the working class around.

4. Just when I thought we could agree on something you turn LIBERAL. Why do you choose to go liberal on THAT issue. Anyways second time FOX was used in an argument of mine.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/30/proof-global-warming-isnt-making-weather-wackier/

5. There's a reason NAZIS aren't considered fascists. That's the reason. Anyways. Fascism is only a form of Authoritarian/ Totalitarian systems. So if National Socialism is only one form of Fascism that makes fascism only one form of Authoritarian government.

Wait........what?

3. ...but often they screw over workers even more than corporations do. In fact, nowadays we're seeing a terrifying fusion of union and corporate power as they both fight to keep their respective monopolies in place. There is a place for unions, but in the past fifty years they've become corrupted, morally bankrupt, parasitic organisations as bad if not worse than corporations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sNi27z_2Ss&list=PL_xthtiL-taAeywJ4vLk08ReaLp-2pKND&feature=c4-overview-vl

4. Most of my political comrades agree with you, but I just can't take any anti-climate change arguments seriously. I don't feel particularly strongly about the issue and I don't know much about science, so for now I'll just take the mainstream argument as fact until some credible evidence to the contrary comes up.

5. This is kind of irrelevant now. At the base of my argument is this: fascism, in its practised form, has operated centre-left to hard-left economic policies, and the ideology itself is deeply leftist.

[B]BOARD ELECTIONS![/B]

The Third Monthly Board Elections will occur between the 25th and 27th of February from Tuesday to Thursday next week. Right now, the only active race is the one for Seat 5, where incumbent [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] will fight [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation] to keep his spot on the Board. I think we'd all appreciate it if the candidates told us a bit more about their policies and positions so we can make an informed decision.

I encourage others to run for the Board also! If you want to change the region for the better, if you want greater influence in the region, run for the Board!

So, what kinda music do y'all like?

"The communists are people who read Marx and Engels. The Anti-communists are the ones who understand." - Ronald Reagan

Pevvania wrote:So, what kinda music do y'all like?

Mainly Dubstep and Rock.

Pevvania wrote:So, what kinda music do y'all like?

Rock

Hard Rock

Psychedelic Rock

Metal

Heavy Metal

Power Metal

Death Metal

The Time Alliance wrote:Rock

Hard Rock

Psychedelic Rock

Metal

Heavy Metal

Power Metal

Death Metal

So I guess you like rock, huh? :P

Pevvania wrote:So I guess you like rock, huh? :P

Yep.

Country, but not radio/pop country.. Hellbilly, classic, and outlaw country. :P

Muh Roads wrote:Country, but not radio/pop country.. Hellbilly, classic, and outlaw country. :P

I like some country and I'd like to get into it, but I'm first and foremost an 80s man. Metal or pop, Rick Astley or Guns N Roses, I love 80s music. 90s stuff is pretty good too.

The stuff i listen too kinda pushes the line on country.. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSt6AnBxNXQ

Pevvania wrote:I like some country and I'd like to get into it, but I'm first and foremost an 80s man. Metal or pop, Rick Astley or Guns N Roses, I love 80s music. 90s stuff is pretty good too.

Never gonna give you up.

Never gonna let you down

..... that's all I got from Rick.

Pevvania wrote:So, what kinda music do y'all like?

folk, psychadelic, acid rock

My days not complete without a dash of iron butterfly

The Time Alliance wrote:Never gonna give you up.

Never gonna let you down

..... that's all I got from Rick.

We're no strangers to love

You know the rules, and so do I

A full commitment's what I'm thinking of

You wouldn't get this from any other guy

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:We're no strangers to love

You know the rules, and so do I

A full commitment's what I'm thinking of

You wouldn't get this from any other guy

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling

Gotta make you understand

Muh Roads wrote:I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling

Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up,

never gonna let you down,

never gonna run around and desert you

Pevvania wrote:Never gonna give you up,

never gonna let you down,

never gonna run around and desert you

Ain't never gonna make you cry

Ain't never gonna say goodbye

Ain't never gonna tell a lie

And hurt you

I'd appreciate it if we had no more trolling missions to North Korea. Despite the obvious immorality of their Nazi-esque ideology, going there simply to spam does our reputation no favours.

Pevvania wrote:I'd appreciate it if we had no more trolling missions to North Korea. Despite the obvious immorality of their Nazi-esque ideology, going there simply to spam does our reputation no favours.

You mean it would be impolite to perform a barber shop quintet of popular Rick Astley songs for V Ming?

Muh Roads wrote:You mean it would be impolite to perform a barber shop quintet of popular Rick Astley songs for V Ming?

No, you'd probably be "perpetuating the culture of the bourgeoisie" or something. Only Revolutionary Songs* (*read: state-sanctioned propaganda) are permitted to be hollered in North Korea.

[B] The Time Alliance for chair 5

"Not right, not left, but forward"

Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen. Democrats, Republicans, libertarians, Fascists, Communists and whatever other government you may support. My name is The Red Star Nations of The Time Alliance. I am the current head of the The Democratic-Republican Party and I am here to tell why exactly you should vote for me.

-I represent the Centrists. I support good policies from both wings and I believe that both wings have some good in them.

-I believe in Direct Democracy and that the Government should stay out of issues that do not affect the Economy, Law or Foreign Policy.Â

-I believe in Social equality of all humans, regardless of Sex, Religion, Race, Social standings, monetary means and sexual orientation.

-I believe that the Government should be held responsible for anything that may occur.

In addition to these beliefs I would like to describe myself with three-terms.

-Tolerant

-Open-Minded

and of course

-Hard-Working

I already can tell this is an Up-hill battle and frankly I don't even expect to win. This is just me speaking my mind and wanting to make a change. To get our current Government out of the Right-Wing repitition it has placed itself into and giving it a touch of something new.Â

Something called: Centrism.

I hope you can see the light in the center and just remember. We don't need to go Right or Left. We just need to go Forward.

If you have any questions about my campaign feel free to Telegram me questions or ask them on the RMB.

[B]THE ELECTION BEGINS[/B]

It seems that Board Members occupying Seats 1-4 are secure (unless anyone wants to announce a last-minute candidacy?), so the only race is for Seat 5. Vote now in the poll above!

Nicest Citizens in Libertatem. Aww yeah.

Post self-deleted by Humpheria.

Humpheria wrote:The RLP Caucus does not officially endorse either candidate. But, I endorse Alchandria. We've had disagreements in the past, but now is the time to come together to preserve our values, traditions, and a better Libertatem. Alchandria for Seat Five!!!!!

You have literally done more for my campaign than I have. Thank you.

Alchandria wrote:You have literally done more for my campaign than I have. Thank you.

I did it not only for you, but for Libertatem. Your welcome.

Hello Northern Elliston! I didn't see you come in, welcome.

Thanks!

[nation=short]Elliston[/nation].

Remember I am open to any questions about my campaign. You may ask via TG or via RMB.

Northern Elliston wrote:Thanks!

[nation=short]Elliston[/nation].

Also as I am just now able to respond. Welcome to the wonderful region of Libertatem Elliston. Also thank you for electing me for Chair 5.

I hope you have as much fun here as the rest of us do.

Cabinet reshuffle incoming.

Pevvania wrote:Cabinet reshuffle incoming.

.....What?

The Time Alliance wrote:.....What?

After I get a reply from a certain nation, I will be reshuffling a few cabinet positions.

Pevvania wrote:After I get a reply from a certain nation, I will be reshuffling a few cabinet positions.

Ah okay.

The Anti-Corporatist Party supports all incumbents at this time.

I'm considering a constitutional amendment to the Presidents' Amendment to reduce Presidential terms to three months each. What are your thoughts on this?

Pevvania wrote:I'm considering a constitutional amendment to the Presidents' Amendment to reduce Presidential terms to three months each. What are your thoughts on this?

What's the current term limit?

*mumbles something about Objectivists*

The Time Alliance wrote:What's the current term limit?

No term limits, but right now a single Presidential term is 4 months.

Pevvania wrote:No term limits, but right now a single Presidential term is 4 months.

Meh. Keep it as it is.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:*mumbles something about Objectivists*

Hmm....I sense tension.

Pevvania wrote:I'm considering a constitutional amendment to the Presidents' Amendment to reduce Presidential terms to three months each. What are your thoughts on this?

Personally, i don't think the change is really a necessary but I'm okay with the change.

Four Presidential elections yearly as opposed to three? Sounds like more work, but I'll support the amendment if you're willing to write it.

Cabinet Reshuffle

Effective March the First, this will be the new Presidential Cabinet:

Manager of Internal Affairs: [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation]

Manager of Military Affairs: [nation=short]Neo-Confederate States of America[/nation]

Manager of State: [nation=short]Conservative Idealism in Libertatem[/nation]

[nation=short]Lack there of[/nation], I deeply thank you for your service to the region and in promoting the development of REATO and our foreign alliances. There is no doubt that you've helped improve both our military might and our diplomatic standing amongst like-minded regions. Thank you.

Conservative Idealism will be replacing him. 'Founding Father,' one-time holder of the position, IRU founder and one-time Presidential candidate, CI is known as much for his integrity and candor as he is for his past legislative achievements and great influence he's had on this region's growth. But he is less-known for his diplomatic tact - he helped me negotiate the alliance with UCR, bring peace between that region and ACA and played an integral role in developing the REATO alliance. He will be serving a greater role for the region in this position for sure.

In replacing CI it was a hard decision in choosing between Much Roads and Chairman Humpheria. But the role of Chairman and Internal Affairs Manager are two distinct roles that require different skill sets. The Chairman continues to serve the region well with his bright attitude to public office and transparency, while I'm looking forward to turning some of Muh Roads's good ideas into legislative bills.

Neo-Con/Blahb will remain the Military Manager. At first I was unsure of his abilities, but he's shown himself to be a fearless, determined leader who has learnt from his mistakes to maximise his strengths. We have conquered more statist regions under Commander Blahb than under any other General in this region's history, including myself when I occupied the spot. He has room for improvement, but has the potential to one day lead us to military superpower status. Keep up the good work.

Board Seat 1 is now OPEN. If nobody steps forward to fill/contest the seat, I will make an appointment.

Pevvania wrote:Cabinet Reshuffle

Effective March the First, this will be the new Presidential Cabinet:

Manager of Internal Affairs: [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation]

Manager of Military Affairs: [nation=short]Neo-Confederate States of America[/nation]

Manager of State: [nation=short]Conservative Idealism in Libertatem[/nation]

[nation=short]Lack there of[/nation], I deeply thank you for your service to the region and in promoting the development of REATO and our foreign alliances. There is no doubt that you've helped improve both our military might and our diplomatic standing amongst like-minded regions. Thank you.

Thank you for your kind words, it has been an honor serving under your administration.

Pevvania wrote:Board Seat 1 is now OPEN. If nobody steps forward to fill/contest the seat, I will make an appointment.

I'll throw my hat into the running since I don't have much else to do nowadays

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

Interesting fact: the last update to the Gazette was basically exactly a month ago.

and what an article it was

I humbly accept my new position, and hope to aid this region in diplomacy, conversation, and negotiation abroad to the best of my ability.

How many inactive people's we got?

How many do we know are active?

The Time Alliance wrote:How many inactive people's we got?

How many do we know are active?

We can only know for sure that those people who regularly post on the RMB are completely active, though if someone *cough* had the time to *cough* look at every nation's page and see when their last *cough* laws were passed, you could gauge activity from that. *cough*

From the RMB alone, I'd say about *cough* 10-20 active people.

Remind me to get some cough medicine.

ACOP supports cough medicine, but would like to remind Libertatem of the oppressive nature of pharmaceutical companies and the corporate shortcuts they've taken to circumvent health laws for the sake of profit. They are a disgrace to fair business practice.

Miencraft wrote:We can only know for sure that those people who regularly post on the RMB are completely active, though if someone *cough* had the time to *cough* look at every nation's page and see when their last *cough* laws were passed, you could gauge activity from that. *cough*

From the RMB alone, I'd say about *cough* 10-20 active people.

Remind me to get some cough medicine.

I'll gladly share some of my left over promethazine lol

Thank you President Pev for the opportunity to better serve Libertatem with my new position as Manager of Internal Affairs. I have a lot of ideas for new legislation that will hopefully help push us into further glory.

As usual, i am an open book. I strongly encourage my fellow nations of Libertatem to contact me with any problems they may be having within the region, ideas for legislation, or anything else that would be of concern.

A Friend:

I joined Libertatem around 130 a while ago. One of the first people to talk to me was a person we all know and love Muh Roads. A comical yet serious sentinel of common sense. I joined during the tail end of Snabagag's (did I spell that right?) term. From the low ranks looking down, I could see a clear choice for the new election, President Pev, of course. But, after that we had Board appointments and I was lucky enough to get in, with Muh Roads. Then, the Constitution mishap occurred. For those who weren't around, if you really want to know the details, I'll tell you in private. But, long story short, where I jumped the gun and spent hours on something unnecessary, Muh kept his head and looked past right know to the bigger picture. He was much smarter than I was. He has proven time and time again to be the pinnacle of everything good about our region. It saddens me deeply that we will no longer be able to work as colleagues on the Board, but it is for the better as I cannot think of a better candidate for that position. The Board wishes you the best in all of your future endeavors. I don't have to tell you that you have a legacy trailing behind you and the legacy of all those that came before you on your shoulders. Stand strong, and lift them up higher, friend. I'm betting on you.

President Pev:

Thank you for considering me for Manager of Internal Affairs, it truly is an honor. But, I completely agree with your end decision. Muh is a much better choice for the position. And not too mention that my current position is one that stands alone. But, thank you for your kind words and consideration anyway.

REMEMBER TO VOTE ALCHANDRIA FOR LIBERTARIAN VALUES OVER NEWFANGLED SOCIALIST POOP-MONGERING

That is literally the entirety of my campaign.

Alchandria wrote:REMEMBER TO VOTE ALCHANDRIA FOR LIBERTARIAN VALUES OVER NEWFANGLED SOCIALIST POOP-MONGERING

That is literally the entirety of my campaign.

.......... Whilst you resort to name-calling I have stated what I will do If elected and again. Send me questions if you wish to know about something.

http://www.zazzle.com/objectivist_athletic_department_tshirt-235079980862177666

Ha.

The Time Alliance wrote:.......... Whilst you resort to name-calling I have stated what I will do If elected and again. Send me questions if you wish to know about something.

Because that is working SO well for you.

Alchandria wrote:Because that is working SO well for you.

I support your campaign, but I will withdraw if you insist on resorting to those levels. It is disrespectful and unbecoming.

Humpheria wrote:I support your campaign, but I will withdraw if you insist on resorting to those levels. It is disrespectful and unbecoming.

I simply like to point out that you can campaign as well as you'd like, but if people dislike your ideas, then that isn't really all that helpful.

I also I would like a change to the amount of scrutiny taken to harmless fun-poking. I don't particularly dislike anyone here, but a little playful abrasiveness never killed anyone.

Alchandria wrote:Because that is working SO well for you.

I'm not resorting to offensive statements.

Alchandria wrote:I simply like to point out that you can campaign as well as you'd like, but if people dislike your ideas, then that isn't really all that helpful.

I also I would like a change to the amount of scrutiny taken to harmless fun-poking. I don't particularly dislike anyone here, but a little playful abrasiveness never killed anyone.

You said and I quote I was a: "NEWFANGLED SOCIALIST POOP-MONGERING"

This is not playful abrasiveness and I wish that we do not insult one another during the course of this election.

The Time Alliance wrote:I'm not resorting to offensive statements. You said and I quote I was a: "NEWFANGLED SOCIALIST POOP-MONGERING"

This is not playful abrasiveness and I wish that we do not insult one another during the course of this election.

Mongering is a verb. Poopmongering is also a verb, albeit a portmanteau one.

If I were to insult you with it, which I will refrain from doing, although it breaks my heart, I would call you a NEWFANGLED SOCIALIST POOPMONGERER, on the grounds that I personally believe you are mongering socialist poop. My apologies for any mental or emotional pain and suffering you withstood when I implied that you are a poopmongerer.

Miencraft wrote:Yay newspaper.

Nice article, Miencraft.

Humpheria wrote:A Friend:

I joined Libertatem around 130 a while ago. One of the first people to talk to me was a person we all know and love Muh Roads. A comical yet serious sentinel of common sense. I joined during the tail end of Snabagag's (did I spell that right?) term. From the low ranks looking down, I could see a clear choice for the new election, President Pev, of course. But, after that we had Board appointments and I was lucky enough to get in, with Muh Roads. Then, the Constitution mishap occurred. For those who weren't around, if you really want to know the details, I'll tell you in private. But, long story short, where I jumped the gun and spent hours on something unnecessary, Muh kept his head and looked past right know to the bigger picture. He was much smarter than I was. He has proven time and time again to be the pinnacle of everything good about our region. It saddens me deeply that we will no longer be able to work as colleagues on the Board, but it is for the better as I cannot think of a better candidate for that position. The Board wishes you the best in all of your future endeavors. I don't have to tell you that you have a legacy trailing behind you and the legacy of all those that came before you on your shoulders. Stand strong, and lift them up higher, friend. I'm betting on you.

President Pev:

Thank you for considering me for Manager of Internal Affairs, it truly is an honor. But, I completely agree with your end decision. Muh is a much better choice for the position. And not too mention that my current position is one that stands alone. But, thank you for your kind words and consideration anyway.

Well-said.

Seat 1 Race: [nation=short]Lack there of[/nation]

Seat 5 Race: [nation=short]Alchandria[/nation] vs. [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation]

Thank you for the kind words Humpheria! That really means alot too me. I do hope that you hold peace with the "constitution mishap". That took an incredible amount of courage to do, especially being so new to the region! Too me, it just proves that your more than capable of pushing the limit and dealing with the harder things that come with being a government official. Either way, you are a great leader, a great friend, and an extremely valuable asset to Libertatem.

Thank you, sir. It is my honor to have been able to work with you, and I hope that you don't forget about us lowly legislative Board members. Remember your roots, young man!

Jesus, you two, get a room!

Pevvania wrote:Jesus, you two, get a room!

Huh?

Pevvania, I really enjoy how you sugarcoated "NEWFANGLED SOCIALIST POOPMONGERING" into "the encroachment of socialism." Lol.

I've got a challenge for y'all. Whoever uses recruitment to boost us to 120 nations will get to choose a PC game code of a small selection of 10 or so. We really need to increase our numbers again.

And no puppetteering - I can tell when a puppet enters the region. Puppets only artificially stimulate a population and can never offer the same activity that individual nations can.

Alchandria wrote:Pevvania, I really enjoy how you sugarcoated "NEWFANGLED SOCIALIST POOPMONGERING" into "the encroachment of socialism." Lol.

Just trying to be fair and balanced ^_^

Pevvania wrote:Jesus, you two, get a room!

Well gee, he was going to marry you so i dont wanna hear it! Haha!

Also, my apologies. Forgot to send out those recruitment TG's i promised.. just did.

Today in my college politics class we were debating welfare, or more specifically unemployment benefits. Known to be some kind of right-wing extremist in my class (I'm the only one there who supports gun rights, for example), I was asked by my lecturer about my position on the issue. I responded that unemployment insurance should be privatised. Many in the class chuckled at my answer. But I explained my position, citing successful private models such as the one in Chile, and managed to convince a few classmates that it was a good option.

It's important that others recognise one thing about libertarians: just because we don't want the government doing something, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all.

Muh Roads wrote:Well gee, he was going to marry you so i dont wanna hear it! Haha!

I just follow the power, don't I?

Humpheria wrote:I just follow the power, don't I?

Lol possibly. Then again, maybe we made Pev a little jealous. xD

I tend to have the quality on most. This Seat Five race has really become heated up. To be honest, I haven't heard of half of the voters, they really seem to have come out of the woodwork for this one. I am looking forward to the results of this exciting race.

Humpheria wrote:I tend to have the quality on most. This Seat Five race has really become heated up. To be honest, I haven't heard of half of the voters, they really seem to have come out of the woodwork for this one. I am looking forward to the results of this exciting race.

I have been enjoying it.

Humpheria wrote:I tend to have the quality on most. This Seat Five race has really become heated up. To be honest, I haven't heard of half of the voters, they really seem to have come out of the woodwork for this one. I am looking forward to the results of this exciting race.

It has certainly been intense at some points.

The Time Alliance wrote:It has certainly been intense at some points.

Teehee.

The Time Alliance wrote:[B] The Time Alliance for chair 5

"Not right, not left, but forward"

Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen. Democrats, Republicans, libertarians, Fascists, Communists and whatever other government you may support. My name is The Red Star Nations of The Time Alliance. I am the current head of the The Democratic-Republican Party and I am here to tell why exactly you should vote for me.

-I represent the Centrists. I support good policies from both wings and I believe that both wings have some good in them.

-I believe in Direct Democracy and that the Government should stay out of issues that do not affect the Economy, Law or Foreign Policy.Â

-I believe in Social equality of all humans, regardless of Sex, Religion, Race, Social standings, monetary means and sexual orientation.

-I believe that the Government should be held responsible for anything that may occur.

In addition to these beliefs I would like to describe myself with three-terms.

-Tolerant

-Open-Minded

and of course

-Hard-Working

I already can tell this is an Up-hill battle and frankly I don't even expect to win. This is just me speaking my mind and wanting to make a change. To get our current Government out of the Right-Wing repitition it has placed itself into and giving it a touch of something new.Â

Something called: Centrism.

I hope you can see the light in the center and just remember. We don't need to go Right or Left. We just need to go Forward.

Wow, the smartest citizens in Libertatem come from Islands! Nice to see that those investments in education are paying well.

Islands wrote:Wow, the smartest citizens in Libertatem come from Islands! Nice to see that those investments in education are paying well.

I've been toying in my head with the idea of marketizing education and providing vouchers to the poor to attend private schools. What do you think?

Pevvania wrote:I've been toying in my head with the idea of marketizing education and providing vouchers to the poor to attend private schools. What do you think?

Vouchers to the poor to attend private schools? No. We have public schools for a reason.

The Time Alliance wrote:Vouchers to the poor to attend private schools? No. We have public schools for a reason.

Public schools that are horribly inefficient. The system itself is corrupt, sustaining on a model of education that has been outmoded for more than 100 years - the disciplinarian Prussian model. It pains me to see that some private schools have copied them.

They are even worse with the passage of No Child Left Behind. Children are being left behind as a result; teachers teach to the test and ignore any other educational needs students may have just so their schools can continue to soak up government funding. It really has become a Race To The Top, a race that children who want a real education probably won't win.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Public schools that are horribly inefficient. The system itself is corrupt, sustaining on a model of education that has been outmoded for more than 100 years - the disciplinarian Prussian model. It pains me to see that some private schools have copied them.

They are even worse with the passage of No Child Left Behind. Children are being left behind as a result; teachers teach to the test and ignore any other educational needs students may have just so their schools can continue to soak up government funding. It really has become a Race To The Top, a race that children who want a real education probably won't win.

Then we fix the Public Schools. I don't see how letting corporations own schools is going to fix these problems that are non -existent. I know at least 23 private school kids. I'm smarter than all of them. I'm a public schooler. The problem lies not in the school system but in the attitude and motivation of our youth. A youth could get the best educatIon ever. If they don't care they don't learn.

In fact on topic: http://neatoday.org/2013/12/10/how-public-schools-have-the-edge-over-private-schools/

The Time Alliance wrote:Then we fix the Public Schools. 1. I don't see how letting corporations own schools is going to fix these problems that are non -existent. 2. I know at least 23 private school kids. I'm smarter than all of them. I'm a public schooler. 3. The problem lies not in the school system but in the attitude and motivation of our youth. A youth could get the best educatIon ever. If they don't care they don't learn.

You've made some very strange points here.

1. Companies operating schools would create incentives for high quality of service to take customers away from other schools. It's a basic market principle. And as CI pointed out, the only incentive state schools have is to score well in tests for subsidies.

2. This is anecdotal evidence that doesn't reeally prove much about schooling either way. Some people are just born smarter than others, I'm afraid.

3. Private competition would incentivise providers to tailor their educational services to the wants and needs of students. A completely private education system would also be free of most of the thousands of laws regarding schooling that undermine learning, inhibit quality and restrict the freedoms of students.

Pevvania wrote:You've made some very strange points here.

1. Companies operating schools would create incentives for high quality of service to take customers away from other schools. It's a basic market principle. And as CI pointed out, the only incentive state schools have is to score well in tests for subsidies.

2. This is anecdotal evidence that doesn't reeally prove much about schooling either way. Some people are just born smarter than others, I'm afraid.

3. Private competition would incentivise providers to tailor their educational services to the wants and needs of students. A completely private education system would also be free of most of the thousands of laws regarding schooling that undermine learning, inhibit quality and restrict the freedoms of students.

1.So corporations owning schools. I immediately see how the only incentive here will be money. Cue the teachers doing something to make the school look better than it is.

2. Okay. I'll post this again. http://neatoday.org/2013/12/10/how-public-schools-have-the-edge-over-private-schools/ it mentions a very good book

3. Free Market doesn't solve everything. I'm just believing here greed happens and EVENTUALLY they will end up tailoring to the lowest student. Because either way. It's money.

We have an honors program for smart kids. Students already have enough freedoms. Those laws are their for a reason.

The Time Alliance wrote:In fact on topic: http://neatoday.org/2013/12/10/how-public-schools-have-the-edge-over-private-schools/

The Lubienskis gave a bunch of evasive and inconclusive answers, with their only shred of evidence to support public over private schools is that they allegedly teach mathematics slightly better. They don't even cite other subjects like science and even said in one answer "We didn't look at international benchmarks." To me, these people seem like public school apologists that refuse to accept the fact that the system there is fundamentally broken.

Pevvania wrote:The Lubienskis gave a bunch of evasive and inconclusive answers, with their only shred of evidence to support public over private schools is that they allegedly teach mathematics slightly better. They don't even cite other subjects like science and even said in one answer "We didn't look at international benchmarks." To me, these people seem like public school apologists that refuse to accept the fact that the system there is fundamentally broken.

There's a link to the book they wrote on the topic. Why look at international benchmarks? So we can be like every other country? It won't matter if we try to be. Learning falls to the individual learning not the groups teaching.

The Time Alliance wrote:1.So corporations owning schools. I immediately see how the only incentive here will be money. Cue the teachers doing something to make the school look better than it is.

2. Okay. I'll post this again. http://neatoday.org/2013/12/10/how-public-schools-have-the-edge-over-private-schools/ it mentions a very good book

3. Free Market doesn't solve everything. I'm just believing here greed happens and EVENTUALLY they will end up tailoring to the lowest student. Because either way. It's money.

We have an honors program for smart kids. Students already have enough freedoms. Those laws are their for a reason.

1. You're not seeing the big picture. To get more money, they'll need more customers, and to get more customers they'll have to outperform competing schools by being better. It's as simple as that. No Child Left Behind looks at test scores and nothing else, while a private firm has the incentive to meet most or all the needs of students for its revenues. If it fails to perform, it'll go under.

2. See my previous reply.

3. What are you trying to say?

I mean restrictions like dress codes and market bans. My family and I were planning to take a trip to DC a few weeks ago, but one of the reasons we could not was because my 14-year-old brother is not allowed to be taken out of school. This isn't just a school restriction, its straight from Westminster. My point is that private schools are much more flexible to suit students.

Pevvania wrote:1. You're not seeing the big picture. To get more money, they'll need more customers, and to get more customers they'll have to outperform competing schools by being better. It's as simple as that. No Child Left Behind looks at test scores and nothing else, while a private firm has the incentive to meet most or all the needs of students for its revenues. If it fails to perform, it'll go under.

2. See my previous reply.

3. What are you trying to say?

I mean restrictions like dress codes and market bans. My family and I were planning to take a trip to DC a few weeks ago, but one of the reasons we could not was because my 14-year-old brother is not allowed to be taken out of school. This isn't just a school restriction, its straight from Westminster. My point is that private schools are much more flexible to suit students.

3. Oh. I live in Georgia. Here we don't have that crap. Here Private schools wear uniforms whilst Public Schools don't. My States schools let people out. Your forgetting it's not the government as a whole. It's each individual Board. You can't say all Public Schools are as bad as one another.

2. Read my previous reply.

1. The main fracture for anything private is money. Not love or compassion. Only greed. Education shouldn't be about greed. It should be about teaching our kids.

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