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Boes Othan wrote:hey vote for me.

yeah i'll vote for you

guys my frog has ligma.

Einsiev wrote:What’s sad is that some people even view racism as commonplace. No, it isn’t going to go away totally, but we can all take steps to peacefully combat it. Also, I agree with your views of both sides, they’re absolutely filthy groups.

^^^ Exactly. Racism will never be completely defeated, but promoting love and fighting against intolerance can get us very close. There's always gonna be people who simply refuse to stop being hateful, but we can reduce the number of them.

I think I remember the one time you joined the discord voice chat a while back and we all had a very good discussion on your political views, we need more of that and less toxicity. We might have polar opposite views, but by having that respectful and intelligent talk, it allowed both of us to understand each other a lot more and avoid hate and anger.

Anyways, sorry for rambling. Very tired right now.

Miencraft, Einsiev, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:but promoting love and fighting against intolerance can get us very close

Be the neighbor Fred Rogers knew you could be.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Miencraft wrote:Be the neighbor Fred Rogers knew you could be.

RIP MR. ROGERS

Died about 45 min from where I used to live, there's a whole section of the local amusement park there that's dedicated to his show. Such a great person, really someone that everyone should strive to be like.

Miencraft, Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:^^^ Exactly. Racism will never be completely defeated, but promoting love and fighting against intolerance can get us very close. There's always gonna be people who simply refuse to stop being hateful, but we can reduce the number of them.

I think I remember the one time you joined the discord voice chat a while back and we all had a very good discussion on your political views, we need more of that and less toxicity. We might have polar opposite views, but by having that respectful and intelligent talk, it allowed both of us to understand each other a lot more and avoid hate and anger.

Anyways, sorry for rambling. Very tired right now.

Conversation and understanding is what we need more of, as that’s the only way we will be able to combat the toxicity running rampant in the world. Unfortunately, the evil on both sides will make attempts to combat that.

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Jadentopian Order wrote:RIP MR. ROGERS

Died about 45 min from where I used to live, there's a whole section of the local amusement park there that's dedicated to his show. Such a great person, really someone that everyone should strive to be like.

There was some wholesome stuff on reddit once to the effect of

"I'm sure the second coming of Christ has already come and gone, and the Lord walked the earth in a body named Fred McFeely Rogers."

Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Einsiev wrote:Conversation and understanding is what we need more of, as that’s the only way we will be able to combat the toxicity running rampant in the world. Unfortunately, the evil on both sides will make attempts to combat that.

I think of it like this: If I'm interacting with an asshole, it's hard to not be an asshole back and vice versa. So to reduce the number of assholes, it all starts with you.

Miencraft wrote:There was some wholesome stuff on reddit once to the effect of

"I'm sure the second coming of Christ has already come and gone, and the Lord walked the earth in a body named Fred McFeely Rogers."

Growing up on Mr. Roger's Neighborhood is one of those things that when I was younger I really didn't think much of, but now that I'm older, I can thank my parents for putting it on for me. I can guarantee that at the time I wasn't too sure of what the hell Mr. Rodgers wall telling me. Now though, looking at a lot of what he's said, its nice to know that I was learning the right messages.

Miencraft, Einsiev, Rateria

Greaterflorida wrote:guys my frog has ligma.

peepee the frog

Isn't it funny how the mainstream media suddenly acknowledged Antifa violence when it's THEIR reporters who got attacked? Antifa has been targeting alternative media for years.

>paper due in 7 hours

>haven't started

>still just binge watching The Office

Wow. I'm a terrible student.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

guys can you send

Bobs

And

Vegana. pleese

Greaterflorida wrote:guys can you send

Bobs

And

Vegana. pleese

just stop

The New United States wrote:>paper due in 7 hours

>haven't started

>still just binge watching The Office

Wow. I'm a terrible student.

Had a scenario like that. 5 page final paper for Composition, and then a short essay after that. Spent from 3pm to 11pm working on it (the due date was electronically by 12am). Felt good when I completed it. Got an A.

The New United States, Rateria

I do hope the Dems nominate a California Crazy for the presidecy next election. Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Eric Garcetti, Tom Steyer - any will do. Their contempt for mainstream America and any kind of moderate political values is well-documented - they'd be the biggest disaster since Michael Dukakis.

The New United States, Rateria, Rufinius

Pevvania wrote:Their contempt for mainstream America and any kind of moderate political values is well-documented

I'm hoping that if the dems call enough people idiots, we'll see a 1984-type red wave in 2020.

That is essentially what they're setting us up for. Call the average American an idiot for not subscribing to your ideology and all you accomplish is push the average American that was on the fence away from you, and you push the average American who was already on the opposite side even further away from you.

Pevvania, Narland, The New United States, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I do hope the Dems nominate a California Crazy for the presidecy next election. Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Eric Garcetti, Tom Steyer - any will do. Their contempt for mainstream America and any kind of moderate political values is well-documented - they'd be the biggest disaster since Michael Dukakis.

Speaking of crazies and contempt for mainstream America, Andrew Cuomo somehow that it'd be good to say in a speech today that America "was never that great."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/politics/andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great/index.html

Pevvania, Rateria

China had the right idea banning peppa pig memes

I hope Larry Sharpe does well. He could be a great candidate for the Libertarian Party in 2020. Very charismatic and knows how to talk to the media.

Narland, Rateria

Happy 83rd birthday to Ron Paul!

Miencraft, New Tampa, San Carlos Islands

my economic teacher told my class that "communism has never work."

Rateria

Greaterflorida wrote:my economic teacher told my class that "communism has never work."

Well it’s a fact. It’s a failed ideology that has never been able to benefit the population of any nation it’s come into contact with. Not to mention that about 200 million innocent lives have been slaughtered in its name.

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Rufinius, Greaterflorida

i live in florida btw

north florida is considered more conservative. or at least that's how i see it.

Rateria

Greaterflorida wrote:i live in florida btw

north florida is considered more conservative. or at least that's how i see it.

This region is being invaded by the mystical "Florida Man" I see... Very bad news.

this region is trash

Greaterflorida wrote:this region is trash

Wait, that was a joke. Just playing with the Florida Man meme.

How do you guys feel about photo ID to vote? I'm usually against any type of restrictions on voting. I believe in early voting and same day registration, but I still feel like it's reasonable to require a photo ID. It falls within the valid role of government to maintain the validity of their own elections. I know that voter fraud is a non-issue; I'm not talking about it in practicality, but ethically, I see no problem with it. Poll workers would have to be trained to spot a fake ID, but bouncers know how to do that and I'm sure a program to train poll workers in it wouldn't be too expensive.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:How do you guys feel about photo ID to vote?

Absolutely.

It's unreasonable to expect a citizen of the United States to not have access to photo ID. It's not difficult to get a passport, local governments will hand out photo ID if you ask, if you can drive you already have photo ID, schools issue photo IDs like they're nothing (though I'm not sure if those would count as state-issued), you need ID to buy alcohol, or a gun, or any list of things...

There really is no excuse for an American citizen not having some form of photo identification considering you need to have one for most things people see as just a default feature of life. It's absolutely reasonable to expect the various governments in the US to hold elections to the same standards as buying booze.

Rateria, Skaveria, Highway Eight

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

In florida the further north you go the more south it gets

Rateria

I am 100% for voter ID. I also understand what you mean about voter fraud being a non-issue as in it has very little if any affect on election results (at least that is what I'm assuming you mean)

It still is a huge issue because it is canceling the vote of citizens who wanted to make their vote heard. It's a form of censorship as well as fraud. With something as fundamental as elections people should be able to trust that their vote isn't going to be canceled out by a non-citizen or a long-dead relative.

Rateria

It was Robbie Rotten's hat, Mr. Krabs! He was number one!

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:In florida the further north you go the more south it gets

In Florida the further in any direction you go the closer you get to being somewhere better.

The United States Of Patriots

Florida is like Texas in that people from there do crazy things, the only difference is that in Texas, a lot of those crazy things are legal, in Florida, they're illegal, but people do them anyways.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:How do you guys feel about photo ID to vote? I'm usually against any type of restrictions on voting. I believe in early voting and same day registration, but I still feel like it's reasonable to require a photo ID. It falls within the valid role of government to maintain the validity of their own elections. I know that voter fraud is a non-issue; I'm not talking about it in practicality, but ethically, I see no problem with it. Poll workers would have to be trained to spot a fake ID, but bouncers know how to do that and I'm sure a program to train poll workers in it wouldn't be too expensive.

As long as it free and easily obtainable

Rateria

If not photo ID, there should at least be the requirement to provide some sort of proof of citizenship.

Literally every citizen has something for that, so being able to provide it is a non-issue.

Rateria

The United States Of Patriots wrote:In florida the further north you go the more south it gets

I can testify to this. Even parts of central Florida are pretty much rural and somewhat isolated.

Miencraft wrote:In Florida the further in any direction you go the closer you get to being somewhere better.

Florida isn’t really that bad. Not in my experience, anyway.

Wisconsin has a decent voter ID idea thing. Y'all should try it out.

Rateria

Dear Aux,

Stop being a god damn dumbass and buff your regional security up. Also, be careful who you trust ;)

Much love,

Someone who has dealt with spies way more than you. <3

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

FREE HELICOPTER RIDES FOR ALL COMMIES

Miencraft, Rateria, Saint Sunday

Free States Of Chile wrote:FREE HELICOPTER RIDES FOR ALL COMMIES

let's not

Einsiev, Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:FREE HELICOPTER RIDES FOR ALL COMMIES

Murder is wrong

Rateria

The States Of Balloon wrote:Murder is wrong

Communists aren't people.

Miencraft

Free States Of Chile wrote:Communists aren't people.

In the eyes of the general public, they are. Abd mmmm the ppionon thstv natfwr

Rateria

The States Of Balloon wrote:In the eyes of the general public, they are. Abd mmmm the ppionon thstv natfwr

Confirmed: communism causes strokes.

Free States Of Chile, Rateria

don't vote for me i only wanted to run if casino wasnt

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:don't vote for me i only wanted to run if casino wasnt

Good thing I, the Overlord of the Deep State Jewish Conspiracy, don't care what you want and have declared that you are running anyways.

Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:Communists aren't people.

This is the same type of thinking that people use to assault people that you agree with and also caused genocides.

...or you're just joking and I'm being a hardass

Miencraft wrote:Good thing I, the Overlord of the Deep State Jewish Conspiracy, don't care what you want and have declared that you are running anyways.

My evil plans to never advance in this region has been thwarted again.

Miencraft, Rateria

Just remember, China is committing the genocide of the century: Uighurs, Dungans, Kazakhs, and minorities of all ethnicities and religious affiliations.

Rateria

Jadentopian Order wrote:...or you're just joking and I'm being a hardass

You are being hardass. hehehe

The whole "Trow de commish from helichopptersh" meme is counterproductive. Unlike them, we don't murder people when we get power. That's why you can have a commune in a capitalist society, but can't open a buissness in a communist society.

Pevvania, Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Skaveria wrote:The whole "Trow de commish from helichopptersh" meme is counterproductive. Unlike them, we don't murder people when we get power. That's why you can have a commune in a capitalist society, but can't open a buissness in a communist society.

Nobody said anything about throwing them from the helicopters.

Can't we take our comrades on an innocent ride in a helicopter without being accused of murdering them?

Nevermind that they've never come back from a ride, but still.

Pevvania

Skaveria wrote:The whole "Trow de commish from helichopptersh" meme is counterproductive. Unlike them, we don't murder people when we get power. That's why you can have a commune in a capitalist society, but can't open a buissness in a communist society.

Mcbain voice: That's the joke

Miencraft wrote:Nobody said anything about throwing them from the helicopters.

Can't we take our comrades on an innocent ride in a helicopter without being accused of murdering them?

Nevermind that they've never come back from a ride, but still.

Okay, but it won't be "free."

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Okay, but it won't be "free."

Yeah, free is for commies.

What would you guys think of trying another RP on Discord? Ideally, I would like to use our nations and Libertatem map.

Miencraft wrote:Yeah, free is for commies.

Extreme Milton Friedman voice. There is no such thing as a free helicopter ride.

The results of the Ohio Special Election are in, and the Republican won. If it was the Democrat it would be front page, headline news. They've used every special election to build enthusiasm for the "blue wave", even if they lose it! If a Dem wins, it's an early sign that Trump will suffer heavy defeats this November. When they lose it, they say it's amazing how close they got and proclaim how "endangered" Republicans are this year. The media is undertaking a coordinated effort to manufacture support for Democrats where there is none. Never mind that 7 out of 8 House special elections were won by the GOP. Never mind that the Democrats' supposed polling lead is identical to the lead the had before getting trounced in the '14 midterms (and of course the same polls that told us Hillary would win in a landslide). And nevermind that the RNC has out-raised the DNC by over $100 million. The corrupt media and their political puppeteers want a blue wave, so they're trying to kill conservative enthusiasm. Let's see how that works this time around - let's hope as well as it did in 2016!

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria

Trump is -12 right now. A blue wave is going to happen unless there is a miracle.

Free States Of Chile wrote:Trump is -12 right now. A blue wave is going to happen unless there is a miracle.

He was behind in the polls in 2016, too, and look how that turned out.

Polls mean exactly 0 when it comes time to actually vote.

Pevvania, The New United States, Rateria

The national polls got the PV right which was a Hillary win, the state polls were a bit more problematic and still Trump won by the closest of margins in many decisive states...

And now he is -12. But I guess it's easier to ignore data and just go with gut feeling!

Free States Of Chile wrote:The national polls got the PV right which was a Hillary win, the state polls were a bit more problematic and still Trump won by the closest of margins in many decisive states...

And now he is -12. But I guess it's easier to ignore data and just go with gut feeling!

Well, popular vote literally means nothing.

It's essentially about winning more states than the other guy, which he did, despite being behind in 2016.

What you're saying is utterly irrelevant. Polls are worthless information - be behind now, come out ahead in the actual elections. Happens all the time.

You wanna talk about a blue wave, let's see some real data that indicates that everything's gonna go blue. Because all the stuff that's actually happening indicates exactly the opposite.

The New United States, Rateria

Polls are pretty predictive at this point, plus there are other factors that make a blue wave extremely likely.

1.Dems have the edge on fundraising in many competitive house seats.

2.Historically the party out of power wins midterm.

3.Republicans are down about 10 points in special elections who have a good track record of predicting midterm vote share.

So yes, nothing points out to a red wave besides your gut feeling and right-wing echo chamber.

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:1.Dems have the edge on fundraising in many competitive house seats.

[citation needed]

Free States Of Chile wrote:2.Historically the party out of power wins midterm.

Then don't go calling these midterms a blue wave if that's normal midterm behavior.

Free States Of Chile wrote:3.Republicans are down about 10 points in special elections who have a good track record of predicting midterm vote share.

Polls or real elections? 'cause...

Pevvania wrote:7 out of 8 House special elections were won by the GOP

...that might require a bit of explaining.

The New United States, Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:Polls are pretty predictive at this point, plus there are other factors that make a blue wave extremely likely.

1.Dems have the edge on fundraising in many competitive house seats.

2.Historically the party out of power wins midterm.

3.Republicans are down about 10 points in special elections who have a good track record of predicting midterm vote share.

So yes, nothing points out to a red wave besides your gut feeling and right-wing echo chamber.

Mark Levin brought up a good point earlier this week that you can't judge what's going to happen historically with a President in power that has broken literally every historical norm there is.

Did you expect things would start getting done in Washington again? Did you expect a non-politician to become President? Did you expect that same guy wining states that haven't flipped since '88 or '84? Did you expect one of the most controversial people ever to get the nomination of a major party?

History means nothing. The Trump base realizes that the fight isn't over yet, they're not sitting there satisfied Trump is President and thus wont vote in 2018. They're going to get back out again to vote and may very well break the historical precedent once again.

Miencraft, The New United States, Rateria

The issue is Trump is not on the ballot, he got some low-propensity voters that will only show up again in 2020 just like some Obama voters never showed up on midterms and a lot of Trump voters have little love and enthusiasm for republicans in congress.

Plus Trump is DEEPLY unpopular and a president of the opposing party motivates the opposition to turn out which has happened in every special election so far.

Trump barely won against a deeply flawed democratic candidate, but this time there is no Hillary on the ballot.

Republicans themselves know they are going to lose. Why you think there is record retirements in the House GOP? If they expected to retain power, they wouldn't be leaving...

Republic Of Minerva, Rateria, Jadentopian Order

Free States Of Chile wrote:The issue is Trump is not on the ballot, he got some low-propensity voters that will only show up again in 2020 just like some Obama voters never showed up on midterms and a lot of Trump voters have little love and enthusiasm for republicans in congress.

Plus Trump is DEEPLY unpopular and a president of the opposing party motivates the opposition to turn out which has happened in every special election so far.

Trump barely won against a deeply flawed democratic candidate, but this time there is no Hillary on the ballot.

Republicans themselves know they are going to lose. Why you think there is record retirements in the House GOP? If they expected to retain power, they wouldn't be leaving...

If Trump's base isn't showing up, why are Trumpian candidates winning primaries across the country? His people are showing up even in the primaries and further shifting the GOP away from it's establishment, center-right roots. This gives Trump voters more enthusiasm going into 2018. In many places they have the chance to further take the government.

You also have to realize that special elections always have very low turnout. All the special election districts were R+, low turnout almost always hurts the leading party in a district. We're 7 for 8 in House elections.

We also have many deeply flawed Democrats on the ballot opposed to one. Pelosi, Schumer, Cortez. Centrists and Indys want nothing to do with them and rather vote for the actual results of the Trump presidency.

Miencraft, Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:The national polls got the PV right which was a Hillary win, the state polls were a bit more problematic and still Trump won by the closest of margins in many decisive states...

And now he is -12. But I guess it's easier to ignore data and just go with gut feeling!

Except the data was wrong. The majority of polls had a much wider gap than in reality, such as Trump 38, Hillary 50, Trump 40, Hillary 48, and so on. The polls were totally unable to predict Trump's support in swing states like Florida, and Ohio, which could even go solid red soon - there was an 11-point swing towards Trump from Obama in that state. That's huge. And of course, the mythical 'blue wall' crumbled, which nobody saw coming (many polls had Hillary on ridiculous double-digit leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan and others).

Free States Of Chile wrote:The issue is Trump is not on the ballot, he got some low-propensity voters that will only show up again in 2020 just like some Obama voters never showed up on midterms and a lot of Trump voters have little love and enthusiasm for republicans in congress.

Plus Trump is DEEPLY unpopular and a president of the opposing party motivates the opposition to turn out which has happened in every special election so far.

Trump barely won against a deeply flawed democratic candidate, but this time there is no Hillary on the ballot.

Republicans themselves know they are going to lose. Why you think there is record retirements in the House GOP? If they expected to retain power, they wouldn't be leaving...

Also, Trump's 'popularity', according to all these highly discredited polls, has barely budged since the election. Most polls show him in the early 40s, which isn't much of a difference from the 46% of the popular vote he received. At this point in his presidency, Obama was at 45%. Once again, the leftist media is greatly distorting reality and ignoring inconvenient facts to paint a preferred picture.

Yes, the Democrats have a solid chance at retaking the House. But anyone that thinks this will be some kind of a 'wave' election like 2006 or 2010 is just deluding themselves. Republicans have a huge advantage in the Senate, and will pick up at least two seats, and best-case scenario as many as 8 or 9. 'Wave' elections see failures across the board, that's not on the cards! In my California district - California, for Christ's sakes - the Republican is tied with the incumbent Democrat. Tied! Surely a blue wave would keep him safe, eh? And again, may I remind you that the Democratic lead in the generic ballot has tumbled from double-digits last year to single-digits today. It will be a challenging election for both sides.

The leftist media has been very successful in brainwashing a lot of people. But there are still millions of patriots out there that see what's going on and realize the Democratic Party wants the evisceration of our Republic. The only one that can save the Republic in this environment is Trump and good conservative/libertarian candidates. Hopefully the voters will see that!

Miencraft, Rateria

The right-wing media has been very successful in brainwashing a lot of people. But there are still millions of patriots out there that see what's going on and realize that Trump wants the evisceration of our Republic. The only one that can save the Republic in this environment are Dems and good candidates who oppose Trump. Hopefully the voters will see that!

Fixed for you.

Free States Of Chile wrote:The right-wing media has been very successful in brainwashing a lot of people. But there are still millions of patriots out there that see what's going on and realize that Trump wants the evisceration of our Republic. The only one that can save the Republic in this environment are Dems and good candidates who oppose Trump. Hopefully the voters will see that!

Fixed for you.

lol

> Right-wing media

> Brainwashing millions

> Patriots

> Evisceration of the Republic

> Democrats, save the Republic

First off, advocating against and being a threat to the 1st and 2nd Amendments is more a "evisceration of the Republic" then anything Trump could to.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:Trump wants the evisceration of our Republic

Um excuse me what

Do you have literally anything to back this claim up?

Pevvania, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Um excuse me what

Do you have literally anything to back this claim up?

"Buh Miencraft! Muh (Russian Interference)! Muh (Sexual Assault)!"

xd

Miencraft, Rateria

San Carlos Islands wrote:"Buh Miencraft! Muh (Russian Interference)! Muh (Sexual Assault)!"

xd

"But he lost the popular vote, thereby demonstrating exactly how the republic is supposed to function!"

Pevvania, Rateria, San Carlos Islands

Miencraft wrote:"But he lost the popular vote, thereby demonstrating exactly how the republic is supposed to function!"

"Only if Mid-America wasn't so hateful, and Trump wasn't such a racist cheater, we wouldn't be here!"

Miencraft, Rateria

San Carlos Islands wrote:"Only if Mid-America wasn't so hateful, and Trump wasn't such a racist cheater, we wouldn't be here!"

Seriously though, is there any wonder Trump won, and Republicans are winning specials, when the Dems are running around calling Middle-Americans racist idiots?

Like, literally the only way they actually would be idiots is if they supported the party that does nothing but insult them all the time. It's no wonder they lost Middle America when they run around talking about how much Middle America doesn't matter and it's full of stupid rednecks. You think it doesn't matter? Great, have fun never winning another election ever again.

Rateria

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Free States Of Chile wrote:The right-wing media has been very successful in brainwashing a lot of people. But there are still millions of patriots out there that see what's going on and realize that Trump wants the evisceration of our Republic. The only one that can save the Republic in this environment are Dems and good candidates who oppose Trump. Hopefully the voters will see that!

Fixed for you.

Uncommon opinion. Can't wait to see you justify it with logic and evidence!

Miencraft, Rateria

I also am looking forward to learning how the people burning the US flag and calling police and border patrol Nazis are more patriotic than the people who believe in free speech, the Constitution and the greatness of America.

Miencraft wrote:Seriously though, is there any wonder Trump won, and Republicans are winning specials, when the Dems are running around calling Middle-Americans racist idiots?

Like, literally the only way they actually would be idiots is if they supported the party that does nothing but insult them all the time. It's no wonder they lost Middle America when they run around talking about how much Middle America doesn't matter and it's full of stupid rednecks. You think it doesn't matter? Great, have fun never winning another election ever again.

This.

The Democrats aren't appealing to GenZ and they're loosing the Unions and Minorities; hell, even Hollywood is showing some signs of revolt against the Dems. They need to change something quick in my opinion, or stay in opposition forever.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:I also am looking forward to learning how the people burning the US flag and calling police and border patrol Nazis are more patriotic than the people who believe in free speech, the Constitution and the greatness of America.

Meanwhile, compare to us who accept that these are things that people have the right to do, even if they're wrong, and that the US is literally the only country in the history of the world where these things have ever been acceptable.

Pevvania, Rateria

San Carlos Islands wrote:lol

> Right-wing media

> Brainwashing millions

> Patriots

> Evisceration of the Republic

> Democrats, save the Republic

First off, advocating against and being a threat to the 1st and 2nd Amendments is more a "evisceration of the Republic" then anything Trump could to.

Fox News, talk radio, Breitbart, there is a massive right-wing echo chamber that keeps the GOP base in line to the dear leader.

Do you think only those who support the president can be patriots? Are you saying dissent is unpatriotic?

The president who wants the FBI and Justice department to work for him and hide his corruption is a republican...

But HAIL THE DEAR LEADER!

Free States Of Chile wrote:Fox News, talk radio, Breitbart, there is a massive right-wing echo chamber that keeps the GOP base in line to the dear leader.

Do you think only those who support the president can be patriots? Are you saying dissent is unpatriotic?

The president who wants the FBI and Justice department to work for him and hide his corruption is a republican...

But HAIL THE DEAR LEADER!

Funny, I never said the things in bold. But whatever.

The leftist media does the same thing. At least right-wing media doesn't spread hate, applaud violence, and cause division.

It's also funny that FBI and Justice Depo. are working against Trump. If you were President wouldn't you want them working for you so you can fully carry out your oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution?

Also, name one valid time Trump was corrupt.

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

Miencraft wrote:Meanwhile, compare to us who accept that these are things that people have the right to do, even if they're wrong, and that the US is literally the only country in the history of the world where these things have ever been acceptable.

Indeed, that's the difference between those on the right and those on much of the left. Those on the right believe you have the right to be stupid or hateful, even if it's be repugnant. Many on the left think those who disagrees with them are morally reprehensible and should be silenced or worse.

Miencraft, Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:Fox News, talk radio, Breitbart, there is a massive right-wing echo chamber that keeps the GOP base in line to the dear leader.

"Right-wing echo chamber".

Almost all media we consume today is based around echo chambers. That goes for me and probably goes for you too. Almost all media is biased one way or another, and we'd all rather watch and read content that conforms to our worldview than content that doesn't. That's just the truth.

But please, don't be disingenuous and pretend that the right-wing media has more power than the left-wing media. It most certainly doesn't. Screen and print media is dominated overwhelmingly by leftist networks. On TV it's every major network except Fox, and in print it's most newspapers except possibly the Wall Street Journal and a handful of others. Indeed, Hillary received 500 total newspaper endorsements, while Trump received 28. Surveys have shown journalists overwhelmingly vote for and donate to leftist causes and candidates (I believe the figure is 5% of journalists identify as conservative or Republican), and in terms of donations, there is no comparison.

The leftist media has indoctrinated millions of people into believing that government is the answer, that Trump and his supporters are evil, that the 2nd Amendment should be repealed. And what's scary is that a lot of this isn't from overtly biased viewpoints, but from selective coverage and skewed headlines. For example, the recent headline "ICE detains husband while driving pregnant wife to hospital" obscures the fact that he was wanted for murder in Mexico; or how about the absurd amount of coverage for the Parkland protests that totally ignored the sizeable number of high school and college students that protested for gun rights?

Criticize right-wing media, sure. But to pretend that there is even a comparison in terms of reach and influence, then the only one you're deluding is yourself.

Miencraft, Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:Do you think only those who support the president can be patriots? Are you saying dissent is unpatriotic?

Not at all. There is a shrinking number of liberals and leftists that love their country - for example a good friend of mine who was asked to leave a Women's March event because he wore an American flag bandanna. The base of the Democratic Party today is rabidly anti-American and would rather talk about what a "racist" history we have, as if slavery was unique to America, than talk about making it a better place. Again, please refer to the flag burnings, Nazi accusations, etc.

Free States Of Chile wrote:The president who wants the FBI and Justice department to work for him and hide his corruption is a republican...

But HAIL THE DEAR LEADER!

Not at all, he simply wants to see the corrupt Mueller investigation to be executed fairly, and he wants the DOJ and FBI to finish their botched investigation of Hillary Clinton. You know, the same DOJ and FBI that conspired to save Hillary from indictment and prosecution and attempt to stop the election of Donald Trump?

Miencraft, Rateria

Also, you are yet to explain why the party seeking the abolition of the Constitution actually wants to save the Republic. And I'm not being hyperbolic. The ideology of the modern Democratic Party - pro-war, pro-welfare state, anti-free speech, anti-2nd Amendment, pro-socialism - contradicts both the intent and text of the Constitution and everything the Founding Fathers worked so hard to establish. What you need to realise, Chile, is that leftist and so-called 'liberalism' is morally, economically and historically illiterate. The basis of leftist ideology is that your rights are derived from government as opposed to yourself, which is incontrovertible with the spirit of the Constitution. We need people running our government that recognize the state has far exceeded its original mandate. President Trump and his cabinet can certainly be inconsistent with that goal. But he is at least moving us towards an America that values free speech, free men and free markets.

The Republican Party is far from perfect, and in fact is plagued with much of the hypocrisy and corruption that beseeches the Democratic Party. But at the very least, it's core beliefs emanate from faith in the individual and recognition that capitalism is the only MORAL economic system.

Miencraft, Rateria

Pevvania wrote:Also, you are yet to explain why the party seeking the abolition of the Constitution actually wants to save the Republic. And I'm not being hyperbolic. The ideology of the modern Democratic Party - pro-war, pro-welfare state, anti-free speech, anti-2nd Amendment, pro-socialism - contradicts both the intent and text of the Constitution and everything the Founding Fathers worked so hard to establish. What you need to realise, Chile, is that leftist and so-called 'liberalism' is morally, economically and historically illiterate. The basis of leftist ideology is that your rights are derived from government as opposed to yourself, which is incontrovertible with the spirit of the Constitution. We need people running our government that recognize the state has far exceeded its original mandate. President Trump and his cabinet can certainly be inconsistent with that goal. But he is at least moving us towards an America that values free speech, free men and free markets.

The Republican Party is far from perfect, and in fact is plagued with much of the hypocrisy and corruption that beseeches the Democratic Party. But at the very least, it's core beliefs emanate from faith in the individual and recognition that capitalism is the only MORAL economic system.

I just had this weird feeling that I'd already seen this exchange before, and I'm pretty sure you said this exact thing not too long ago, maybe even to the exact same person.

That, or you said something extremely similar recently...

Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:The president who wants the FBI and Justice department to work for him

Uh, you do realize they do work for him, right?

The DOJ is part of the executive branch, and therefore answers to the President. The FBI, as part of the DOJ, works for the President. This isn't something unique to Trump. That's literally how these departments work.

Rateria

Free States Of Chile wrote:The right-wing media has been very successful in brainwashing a lot of people. But there are still millions of patriots out there that see what's going on and realize that Trump wants the evisceration of our Republic. The only one that can save the Republic in this environment are Dems and good candidates who oppose Trump. Hopefully the voters will see that!

Fixed for you.

just stop

Miencraft, Pevvania, Rateria

Literally the only media that's right wing is fox. Sure talk radio, but there's liberal talk radio too, and places like Breitbart have there opposites like the Washington Post. The media is owned by the left. What's sad is organizations that used to be good like the New York Times becoming more radically left and believe it or not the Splc used to actually protect people's rights rather than legitimize violence against anyone remotely right winged.

Pevvania, Rateria

Hello, just gonna answer some of these just because...

Free States Of Chile wrote:Do you think only those who support the president can be patriots? Are you saying dissent is unpatriotic?

He's not saying that, and I won't either, but a great many on the left would.

Free States Of Chile wrote:The president who wants the FBI and Justice department to work for him...

Well, considering that they do in fact work for him...

Free States Of Chile wrote:...and hide his corruption is a republican...

Can you actually name a real, relevant time that he has done this?

~ Wilhelm

Miencraft, Rateria

Guys, I now see it. I was wrong!

I too love the Dear Leader, may he reign forever with his blind trust, giant deficit and tariffs for all!

We dont have to fight anymore, I am in your side. We can definitely not do better than the shining beacon which is Donald Trump.

Free States Of Chile wrote:Guys, I now see it. I was wrong!

I too love the Dear Leader, may he reign forever with his blind trust, giant deficit and tariffs for all!

We dont have to fight anymore, I am in your side. We can definitely not do better than the shining beacon which is Donald Trump.

None of us said that he was infallible.

Miencraft, Pevvania, The New United States, The United States Of Patriots

Oh well, I have changed my nation so I can go full MAGA.

*Deploys ICE*

Free States Of Chile wrote:Guys, I now see it. I was wrong!

I too love the Dear Leader, may he reign forever with his blind trust, giant deficit and tariffs for all!

We dont have to fight anymore, I am in your side. We can definitely not do better than the shining beacon which is Donald Trump.

Free States Of Peru wrote:Oh well, I have changed my nation so I can go full MAGA.

*Deploys ICE*

> Has no real argument, or anything to refute ours.

> Pulls childish stunt.

Rateria

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