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Region: Libertatem
Whatever, I'll just do my issues until I hit the 10 day mark
Anti-bureaucracy doesn't mean anti-laws.
Anti-statist. Big difference.
How do you know if your citizenship application has been processed and that you've became a citizen?
You will be told by the IA Manager.
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Ankha is your traitor. He is feeding information to other left-wing nations.
Why do I say this now, comrade? Simply put, you haven't a clue of what you are doing.
Would I be listed anywhere?
If Ankha is a traitor then why are you telling us?
*facepalm*
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Man, if only there were a convenient place where the answers to these questions are.
Like the citizenship application page or any of the other pages related to IA. Yup. Sure wish there was information around here.
He was of no help to me. Thus, I am "throwing him under the bus", so to speak. He is disliked by my region, anyway.
To sum up the "quality" of the intelligence, I sent him a telegram that I received firsthand and he told me that it was a fake telegram...
Yep.
Not just your region; ours too.
Do you realize how long we've been pretending we trust him? We've spent the past few months acting like he was a part of our inner circle, feeding him irrelevant/useless information, only for you to come along and ruin the charade.
Oh well. I guess some opportunities are too good to last.
Well, looks like the jig is up. I should tell you that you've outlived your usefulness to us, and considering how many witnesses I have, it would be remarkably easy to put you on trial.
But I'm also considering giving you a second chance - a Presidential pardon, if you will. First, though, I'd like to know: What exactly did you think you were going to accomplish?
*yawn* Tell me something that we all don't know.
The matter is under review by the Libertatem Department of Justice.
The People's Attorney is being differed to represent Boardman Ankha so that he may be prepared should a trial occur.
Ankha will be charged with Treason Class A and Espionage.
People's Attorney Yrellian Confederacy is his legal counsel.
The details of the trial have now been differed to the Chairman for the date and jury members.
Ankha's vote on the Board has been temporarily suspended and he will not be involved in business.
Should his counsel request a plea deal. The Prosecution is open to negotiations to avoid a trial.
I plead full innocence an will fully contest any charges which are not dropped, (although I expect that they will be.)
Are you forfeiting legal counsel to represent yourself? Otherwise you are under criminal charges and tour counsel should speak for you.
I suppose aill just keep taking questions via TG then..
Pevv, Funky, Minerva...Telegram me please.
I advise my client to remain silent. Also I've just waken up in the middle of the night so I'll demand a delay for the trial. Few hours should be enough.
differed -> deferred
I don't even think that's the correct use regardless.
I was literally in bed when I checked my phone and all that went down. I was on the cusp of sleep. Give me a break.
Well, that is disappointing.
Plea negotiations are currently underway. If a deal is reached, we will avoid trial.
The Defense has refused to discuss a plea deal.
Mr. Chairman, please begin preparations for trial to be conducted in Court Room B.
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For the jury, I'll pool together the names of active and trustworthy people, assign them each a number and put them through the random number generator.
That's a little thing that I like to call the Commies using a nation that was literally the President of the UCR. Not exactly hard to figure it out.
What are we going to do about his board position??
He is legally innocent until proven guilty, so he is still on the Board. But until the trial is over, the Seat Three vote has been suspended.
Do you have the legal authority to do that? Surely a Board vote would make more sense?
That would be the common sense thing to do.
If the Board voted, he would just vote to give himself a vote, but using Constitutional precedent, it would take place under the structure of an Impeachment vote which would require unanimity.
In accordance with the Constitution and the COURT Act, I declare, by executive order, the following:
- The List of Crimes and Suits, written by Attorney-General Humpheria, is to serve as an official list of criminal offenses, as it is within my authority, granted by the COURT Act, to compile and approve such a list.
- In the event of a trial by jury, the defendant will be suspended from any government positions held from the time they are charged until and unless the time they are found innocent. Furthermore, no members of the defense nor the prosecution are eligible to serve on the jury. These emendations to the COURT Act are designed specifically for the assurance of the legality and practicality of its passages and the prevention of mistrials.
Priorities...
What about them... He's clearly guilty in my opinion, I believe the trial will prove this. But what's most important that ensuring that the legislature continues to function smoothly. It was just a question.
The legislature will run as normal, with the exception that Seat Three's votes need not be counted until after the trial.
That's okay :). I didn't know what provisions were in place, hence I asked earlier and you guys answered. That is all I wanted to know.
*rubs hands together* When can we get this trial started...?
Would it be possible to avoid having the trial tomorrow ?
The Prosecution orders the court to note that due to lack of sufficient evidence to prove guilt (not the lack of evidence, just not enough) that the charges be temporarily dropped.
The Board has asked to conduct an investigation, so until they have done so, the Department of Justice has dropped charges.
I advise the accused to maintain legal counsel as when the investigation is concluded, if sufficient evidence has been garnered, the charges will be re-filed.
For those of you that have trouble speaking legal:
I don't have enough physical evidence to convict if we went to trial so the Board is launching an investigation into the matter and until then, there is no point of having charges, so they are dropped.
Well then this will be over, because there are no charges. And there are no charges because there is no evidence and there is no evidence because I did nothing wrong. If you want proof, I'll send it to you.
Like I said, I advise the continuing use of your legal counsel because if the Board finds any evidence, the charges will be re-filed.
And I will reproove my innocence.
re-prove*
Your innocence has not been proven. I just don't have quite enough evidence to convict, and to save everyone's time, I'm delaying the trial until I can do so.
Just not to you, And as soon as you ask I can prove it to you.
247 Unread messages and Ankha under trial. Hmm...
Didn't do anything....
Hello. I'd just like to announce my entry into the region. One of my friends in another region suggested I make this nation so that I can take part in an RP he's planning with members of his region, and he said that, due to some thing going on between this region and his, getting a few people from here involved might be a good idea, so that the two would have some kind of proxy war.
Anyways, look forward to being here, and if anyone wants to take part I'll tell you when that RP gets up.
Out of curiosity, what region would that be?
This is him: Arana
He mentioned there was some bad blood... seemed like this might be an opportunity to have some fun for both regions.
Ah, the old LRSS. Thought it would be some kind of communist region.
RPs are fun. I might not take part but good luck to you with that.
Our population has remained over 100 for quite some time, thanks in part to our continued recruiting efforts.
But we can do better.
Do you use NS++? Are you a citizen in good standing? Telegram me today to become a recruitment officer - no manual recruiting needed! (Though always welcome.)
Alderney And Liberty City
*mumbles* try-hard
*mumbles* casual
Fun fact: only 5 recruitment officers can exist at once.
I can testify for Ankha if necessary. He has committed no crimes against Libertatem, and I am fully aware of his actions.
I think Humpy knows this now, and thanks much.
I have the largest military in Libertatem and I'm in the top 5% of the world.
BOW BEFORE ME MORTALS
Actually, that sounds good. We could use a little bit of 'RP diplomacy' :)
There's still room for one or two more.
Meh. Nuclear weapons master race.
Just one.
Technically, as Delegate, I can remove myself and still automatically send telegrams (or is that just a Founder thing?), and depending on future events, a nation may need to be removed from that list.
So, actually, that's three - plenty of room for people to become a recruitment officer. Step right up, folks with NS++!
I'm in the nuclear/biological/chemical sort of game.
Muh WMDs
Was that a shot at me?....Grrrr if it was we need to talk.
Not you specifically, no.
Good. You should still telegram me.
The Attorney General's office drops the Treason Class A charge, but will pursue the Espionage charge.
The Board Chairman is asked to structure a trial for tomorrow.
That's ridiculous....
Wow I'm sorry but this week-end is skying time with the Libertatem taxpayer's money in a fancy Swiss station. Would it be possible to have it on monday ?
It shouldn't happen I'd like to speak to Humpheria
Speaking of Switzerland,
https://beingclassicallyliberal.liberty.me/2014/07/18/9-reasons-libertarians-should-love-switzerland/
Yep, that's one of the reasons I moved in this country.
It's very funny also to see the Swiss socialists being bitchslapped at every single election.
This is a direct violation of the Constitution of Libertatem, specifically Article VII Subsection III & V. There is no direct proof that Ankha has committed these actions. You are also violating The COURT Act, Section IV, which states:
If it is found at any point that the jury, judge or any other party involved has acted fraudulently or in an otherwise grossly inappropriate manner detrimental to the fair execution of the trial, the Board may declare it a mistrial by a simple majority vote.
In the event of a mistrial, the original verdict is to be reversed and a new trial will be held, with a new jury and a new judge.
The verdict in the newest trial will be binding.
A mistrial may be called a maximum of twice, meaning that no more than three trials may take place before an ultimate binding verdict is reached.
If you are going to try and try me, then it needs to be TODAY, or we could admit this is ridiculous and drop it.
Alderney And Liberty City
They are violating their own rules. If they want to try you, they should do it in a legal manner that doesn't violate their own legislation.
Yeah, about that, as people's attorney, I find scandalous the fact that the Attorney General launched a trial procedure even before having enough proofs against the accused.
Sounds about right,
I agree, and then presumed and very obviously stated that I was in fact guilty. In addition to that, I did nothing wrong, and even if what I did had been wrong, which it was not, the given charges were not at all appropriate.
Hold it.
You can't invoke the COURT Act's clauses on mistrial because we have not yet started the trial; right now, all the prosecution has done is press charges, and they are well within their right to do so.
As for evidence, that will be provided during the trial. Can we please follow proper procedure for once?
Yrellian Confederacy
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I highly doubt that a trial would be brought without probable cause, so this is out.
Are you privy to something the rest of us aren't?
As our President said, there hasn't been a trial. Humpheria pressed charges, dismissed those charges (which is his prerogative; look up "voluntary dismissal without prejudice"), and then drew up new charges. That is hardly "grossly inappropriate" or "detrimental to the fair execution of the trial."
There was no trial and no jury. There was, consequently, no mistrial.
I don't see how this remotely applies.
Conservative Idealism In Libertatem
To be frank, I think Humpheria is acting on a very old vendetta, and doesnt have any evidence, and even if he did, it would not hold water.
Explain why then, why has Ankha been placed under trial? Espionage? For what exactly? So many questions.
Just wait for the trial, we will do that properly.
I imagine that will come out in the trial, which is when evidence is presented for review by the jury to determine guilt. Charges don't determine guilt. If they did, we'd either have one screwed up or one incredibly efficient justice system, and I know which one is the more likely.
I have seen nothing but the utmost professionalism and strength of character from Humpheria. I find it hard to believe your slanderous assertion that he would abuse his position as Attorney General to take groundless action on a vendetta.
I would like to remind everyone that defamation of character is a civil suit; I can and will press charges if I see one more example of slander on this regional message board. Am I clear?
You can't just charge someone because of "doubt."
What do you think of Up!shweiz? Would you vote for em?
The prosecution has reason to believe that Ankha has engaged in espionage, and that is why charges have been pressed.
I understand your concern for the defendant, but I must ask you to wait until the defense calls for your testimony. If you wish to collaborate with defense attorney Yrellian, please do so in private.
I don't understand why you think Humpheria's only evidence is "doubt."
I'm going to wait for the trial to comment further, though, as nothing is going to come out of this back-and-forth.
Didn't even know them. This seems to be an unknown swiss-german political party, how did you learn about it ?
If I could vote, that would probably be for the FDP I guess.
Just by looking around the darkest corners of the internet.
http://up-schweiz.ch/
It seems like all of the baseless trashing of my name happens when I take naps.
1. I cannot fathom why anyone would even think to invoke COURT. How can you advocate for the Board to declare a mistrial before there is even a trial?
2. If you wish to contribute to the defense, do so with the defense. The RMB does not have to become a public collaboration. Discussing the details of a trial publicly can sway public opinion and thus, invalidate any jury selections. That is basic trial law, and I personally expect the Defense to maintain a proper decorum that is fitting of a legal event.
3. I'm a big boy, I can handle slandering, I've done it before. I'm a little surprised that this would be the tacticof the Defense. But executing the 'Cornered Rat' fallacy (lashing out when cornered and desperate) is no way to win a trial. If you expect to win the trust of this region by bastardizing its Justice system, you are sorely mistaken. Mr. Attorney, you are an elected representative of the people, please act like it. Defendant, you are on trial for a corporal offense, now is not the time to be insulting everyone that disagrees with you.
Now, to maintain the sanctity of this process and to refrain from blasting rhetoric before a trial, please save it for the Courtroom. I cannot force you to do anything, but I respectfully request it.
I take it, then, that no further input is necessary until the trial begins tomorrow?
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