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Miencraft wrote:I don't remember when I got here exactly but it must have been late 2012 or early 2013.

We're oooold.

We both got here around late 2012, if I recall correctly. It's just that I kept moving away.

Nova Condealism wrote:We both got here around late 2012, if I recall correctly. It's just that I kept moving away.

The good old days when the Board was appointed.

And I somehow became Chairman then CTEd and came back to find out that Pev had revolutionized everything.

That's why I used him for the currency of the Second Republic nation!

Nova Condealism

Also, happy 240th.

Miencraft wrote:Even if you haven't, nobody's broken the law anymore anyways!

Even me? Muh Roads was on a power trip and twice rejected my citizenship application.

I was the WA delegate for Libertatem for a while, but that didn't seem to make any difference.

Are bygones bygones or am I still persona non grata around here?

Miencraft wrote:The good old days when the Board was appointed.

And I somehow became Chairman then CTEd and came back to find out that Pev had revolutionized everything.

That's why I used him for the currency of the Second Republic nation!

I came in the last days of Snabagag. I talked to Peg three days before he announced his candidacy and I was his right hand man during the first days of the new government.

Rateria, Nova Condealism

Bad Libertopia wrote:Even me? Muh Roads was on a power trip and twice rejected my citizenship application.

I was the WA delegate for Libertatem for a while, but that didn't seem to make any difference.

Are bygones bygones or am I still persona non grata around here?

I don't even know what the hell you ever did.

Did you even do anything?

Nova Condealism

The Aradites wrote:Can someone inform me how the War on Communism ended? Was anybody destroyed, repealed from an invasion or had attacks from the left ceased? From my viewpoint it just ended, I wasn't involved in any mission so I'm completely out of the know.

It died because no body was willing to do the hard work.

Miencraft wrote:I don't even know what the hell you ever did. Did you even do anything?

I told Muh Roads he should process my citizenship application (he lost the first one apparently) or resign his job.

When Roads posted he was rejecting my application because, "Um...I do what I want" (while others were being granted citizenship), I joked:

"Citizenship applications are tossed in the rubbish or framed in museums based on the whims of the ruling overlords.

Libertatem has been reclassified as a Psychotic Dictatorship."

...and then you (Miencraft) threatened to suppress my posts if I didn't stop "trolling".

I was the WA delegate before Hyderbourg was; I posted on some WA forum threads trying to stop some tyrannically bad WA legislation.

I got the attention of The Republic of Libertidad, who messaged me that he would be joining Libertatem as a result of my postings.

I think he is running for Senate here now. I can't vote for him, of course.

Libertitad

Bad Libertopia wrote:I told Muh Roads he should process my citizenship application (he lost the first one apparently) or resign his job.

When Roads posted he was rejecting my application because, "Um...I do what I want" (while others were being granted citizenship), I joked:

"Citizenship applications are tossed in the rubbish or framed in museums based on the whims of the ruling overlords.

Libertatem has been reclassified as a Psychotic Dictatorship."

...and then you (Miencraft) threatened to suppress my posts if I didn't stop "trolling".

I was the WA delegate before Hyderbourg was; I posted on some WA forum threads trying to stop some tyrannically bad WA legislation.

I got the attention of The Republic of Libertidad, who messaged me that he would be joining Libertatem as a result of my postings.

I think he is running for Senate here now. I can't vote for him, of course.

I'm here and I was "elected" as senator. We fought that legislation tooth and nail. It finally got repealed. I quit WA after it got passed but then came back in once I saw the repeal winning.

I'd love to take over the WA and crash it haha. That will be a goal of my 2nd term.

The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Bad Libertopia, Nova Condealism

Well, congratulations, Senator, those are noble goals.

When I get banjected for speaking out against government thugs like Roads I hope you'll be appointed to hear my appeal.

Bad Libertopia wrote:...and then you (Miencraft) threatened to suppress my posts if I didn't stop "trolling".

Oh, right.

Well, maybe that's because absolutely none of what you had posted was anything short of just pointless trolling.

But! I don't really give a damn what anyone did as long as they don't do it again, because there's absolutely no point in holding grudges over what amounts to just a text game.

So! Let's just enjoy ourselves, eh?

Rateria, Libertitad, Nova Condealism

I actually looked back and there was one trolly thing.

All the more reason to forget about it.

That said, let it be a reminder to everyone that if you disagree with how things are going, you're free to leave. You are not free to come back and continue complaining via embassy posting about something that is no longer your problem. You can do it, sure, be respectful and we won't care, but take it too far and there will be consequences.

Rateria, Libertitad, Nova Condealism

One man's point is another man's trolling.

Like showing liberals what happens when they run out of other people's money. That is considered trolling by those on the left.

Rateria, Hyderbourg, The United States Of Patriots, Bad Libertopia, Libertitad, Nova Condealism

The Constitution says "All nations have the privilege of free movement into and out of the region"...all nations, not just citizens.

The problem of my lost/denied citizenship applications hasn't gone away.

So I'm upping the ante now: Not only do I demand to be granted immediate citizenship in Libertatem, but I want Muh Roads put on trial for abuse of power and failure to perform his appointed duty. Since he denied me citizenship rights, it seems only fair that he should lose his citizenship rights for the same period of time that I was denied mine.

Hyderbourg

Bad Libertopia wrote:The Constitution says "All nations have the privilege of free movement into and out of the region"...all nations, not just citizens.

The problem of my lost/denied citizenship applications hasn't gone away.

So I'm upping the ante now: Not only do I demand to be granted immediate citizenship in Libertatem, but I want Muh Roads put on trial for abuse of power and failure to perform his appointed duty. Since he denied me citizenship rights, it seems only fair that he should lose his citizenship rights for the same period of time that I was denied mine.

I guess the Attorney General would represent Muh Roads and you would defend yourself in front of the Regional Justice. I am not sure if a regional justice has been appointed though. The link titled "Justice" redirects to New Jaslandia which is supposed to be the attorney general, him acting as both the AG and justice presiding would not be impartial though. In regards to Muh Roads losing his citizenship I do not think this is viable in regards to the constitution, yet you do have the right to seek restitution.

Libertitad

Bad Libertopia wrote:The Constitution says "All nations have the privilege of free movement into and out of the region"...all nations, not just citizens.

The new Constitution says that, not the old. They were within their right to remove you from the premises, at the time, and the only reason you've been allowed back here is the establishment of a new government.

Bad Libertopia wrote:The problem of my lost/denied citizenship applications hasn't gone away.

On the contrary - it has. The problem was retired with the old administration.

Bad Libertopia wrote:So I'm upping the ante now: Not only do I demand to be granted immediate citizenship in Libertatem,

Don't double down on stupidity. If you want citizenship, just ask nicely, and I'd assume our Transition President would happily accommodate you.

Bad Libertopia wrote:but I want Muh Roads put on trial for abuse of power and failure to perform his appointed duty. Since he denied me citizenship rights, it seems only fair that he should lose his citizenship rights for the same period of time that I was denied mine.

That won't work, due in part to the principle of ex post facto. You were pardoned, remember? All actions that took place under the previous administration, whether previously, currently, or retroactively criminal, have been forgotten by the law - not only yours, but Roads' too.

Besides which, he's not here. He left to go form his own region, and checks in only very rarely.

If you insist on making trouble, you'll be the one in the defendant's seat. We've dropped the issue. If you want to be a citizen so badly, maybe you should too.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, Libertitad

The Aradites wrote:Thank you all for electing me as one of the first three Senators of Libertatem, I ensure that I will serve this position at the best of my abilities.

Long Live the New Republic and long live Liberty!

Senator Aradites

I know its late. I just got back in town.

congratulations!

Rateria, The Aradites

Nova Condealism wrote:They were within their right to remove you from the premises, at the time, and the only reason you've been allowed back here is the establishment of a new government.

I was never removed nor did I break any law or do any crime, nor was I "allowed" back, I just moved back.

Nova Condealism wrote:If you want citizenship, just ask nicely, and I'd assume our Transition President would happily accommodate you.
I just want equal treatment same as anyone else: not favortism nor discrimination. Really, do you want to have to "ask nicely" that the IRS agent process your taxes fairly? Do you want your daughter who interns at the White House to have to "be nice" to the President to keep her job?

I filled out my citizenship forms and sent them in. TWICE. One was thrown out with no explanation, the other denied because Roads said "Um...I do what I want". The Transition President stood by and supported this, instead of stepping in and approving my applications.

Nova Condealism wrote:You were pardoned, remember?

Wrong, I was not pardoned because I did nothing wrong in the first place.

Nova Condealism wrote:If you insist on making trouble, you'll be the one in the defendant's seat. We've dropped the issue. If you want to be a citizen so badly, maybe you should too.

Again, we're back to this notion of awarding government favors (citizenship for me) on the basis of "being nice" rather than on a process that treats everyone fairly and equally. If that's the way the founding fathers wanted their government to work, they could have just "been nice" to King George instead of fighting for freedom and for a government that works for the people, not where the people are threatened by those drunk with power.

Nova Condealism wrote:The new Constitution says that, not the old. They were within their right to remove you from the premises, at the time, and the only reason you've been allowed back here is the establishment of a new government.

On the contrary - it has. The problem was retired with the old administration.

Don't double down on stupidity. If you want citizenship, just ask nicely, and I'd assume our Transition President would happily accommodate you.

That won't work, due in part to the principle of ex post facto. You were pardoned, remember? All actions that took place under the previous administration, whether previously, currently, or retroactively criminal, have been forgotten by the law - not only yours, but Roads' too.

Besides which, he's not here. He left to go form his own region, and checks in only very rarely.

If you insist on making trouble, you'll be the one in the defendant's seat. We've dropped the issue. If you want to be a citizen so badly, maybe you should too.

If he wants a trial, give him a trial. If the justice department comes to the conclusion that the creation of the new government vacates all actions committed by the first republic then so be it. If you want, you can even speak on behalf of the state, beside New Jaslandia I presume, and defend this position. There is no point in going back and forth upon the forums, there will be constant animosity and Libertopia will inherently feel as if he was treated unjustly. Regardless of the outcome, this trial will give this issue a sense of closure.

Rateria, Castaway Island Of Wilson

Bad Libertopia wrote:I demand to be granted immediate citizenship in Libertatem

No. You have the audacity to continue this, even after I had made it clear that it was no longer an issue. You have the audacity to make demands of this government. You do not deserve my help in this, and you will never receive your citizenship from me personally. I hope for your sake that whoever becomes Chancellor of the Interior will be more sympathetic to you.

Hyderbourg wrote: If the justice department comes to the conclusion that the creation of the new government vacates all actions committed by the first republic then so be it.

That is not a decision that the Justice Department has the right to make. The new Constitution clearly defines that "and all laws passed and Supreme Court decisions made under it shall be rendered void. Further, all legislation passed by executive order and regional bans instituted will also be rendered void".

While technically this does not erase every action that the old Republic has taken, the nullification of "all laws" and all Court decisions does erase everything in relation to those laws and decisions. Therefore, people who violated the laws of the First Republic have no longer committed a crime. The law they broke no longer exists.

So, if Libertopia did something illegal (which I'm pretty sure didn't happen) during the First Republic, then no crime has been committed in the eyes of the Second Republic because all laws of the First are no longer valid. If Roads did something illegal (which he did not, because citizenship has always been entirely on the whim of whoever is in that office), no crime has been committed for the same reason.

Bad Libertopia wrote:I filled out my citizenship forms and sent them in. TWICE. One was thrown out with no explanation, the other denied because Roads said "Um...I do what I want". The Transition President stood by and supported this, instead of stepping in and approving my applications.

Under both Constitutions, the person in charge of the Interior Department has sole authority over citizenship. I have no right to interfere with that process. While, yes, I very well could declare someone a citizen, it is the right of the Interior to remove that person from the register for any reason they desire.

Now, under this Constitution, I have exactly the same abilities. The Interior Chancellery has exclusive authority over citizenship. As it is the job of the President to appoint Chancellors, were there to be no Chancellor I would most likely inherit his positions (we'll need that to be clarified later on), but as soon as there is one, my power over his domain ends. Similarly, if they are absent for whatever reason but are still in their position, I would probably be able to temporarily take on their powers until they return. As Roads was active at the time, I had no right to go over him and force your citizenship through.

The only Chancellor I could ever possibly overrule is now War, because I have a higher rank in our army than he does. That's exactly the same as in the prior Constitution.

Bad Libertopia wrote:Again, we're back to this notion of awarding government favors (citizenship for me) on the basis of "being nice" rather than on a process that treats everyone fairly and equally.

You would dare come here and make demands, and then say that you want to be treated fairly?

Citizenship is not a right. Citizenship is a privilege that needs to be earned. You cannot come here, be disrespectful, and make meaningless demands of us, and then pretend that you did something to earn your citizenship.

The Internal Chancellery has full control over the citizenship process. I will not discuss this further with you. You can take this up with whomever becomes Chancellor of the Interior.

The Ambassador To The Clfr, Rateria, Nova Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:I guess the Attorney General would represent Muh Roads and you would defend yourself in front of the Regional Justice. I am not sure if a regional justice has been appointed though. The link titled "Justice" redirects to New Jaslandia which is supposed to be the attorney general, him acting as both the AG and justice presiding would not be impartial though. In regards to Muh Roads losing his citizenship I do not think this is viable in regards to the constitution, yet you do have the right to seek restitution.

If this problem persists into the new government, I can look into it, but as per the statements of Miencraft and Nova Condealism, this is not something within my control as of now. The actions of both Roads and Libertopia that occurred under the First Republic are effectively null and void with the enactment of the new Constitution. If this problem persists with the new Chancellor of the Interior, I shall consult with the President and see what I can do.

Also, AG and Regional Justice are two different positions, so I would only be acting as AG.

New Jaslandia wrote:If this problem persists into the new government, I can look into it, but as per the statements of Miencraft and Nova Condealism, this is not something within my control as of now. The actions of both Roads and Libertopia that occurred under the First Republic are effectively null and void with the enactment of the new Constitution. If this problem persists with the new Chancellor of the Interior, I shall consult with the President and see what I can do.

Also, AG and Regional Justice are two different positions, so I would only be acting as AG.

That was the point of controversy I was speaking in regard to, if you are the AG, there is no justice as the justice link redirects to your nation.

Hyderbourg wrote:That was the point of controversy I was speaking in regard to, if you are the AG, there is no justice as the justice link redirects to your nation.

The 'Justice' link just refers to the AG, not the separate position of Regional Justice. I assume the Regional Justice position will be listed somewhere on the WFE once we have a Justice.

Hyderbourg wrote:That was the point of controversy I was speaking in regard to, if you are the AG, there is no justice as the justice link redirects to your nation.

The "Justice" link is outdated and refers to the head of the Department of Justice from the First Republic.

New Jaslandia wrote:I assume the Regional Justice position will be listed somewhere on the WFE once we have a Justice.

This. It'll be updated once we finish settling in.

That said, we can expedite the settling process if nobody else wants to run for President. If nobody's going to declare their intent by, say, next Wednesday, we can assume that I'm it, if everyone's okay with that.

Otherwise, we'll have to wait until the end of the month, because that's when elections would be if we had candidates.

Libertitad

New Jaslandia wrote:The actions of both Roads and Libertopia that occurred under the First Republic are effectively null and void with the enactment of the new Constitution. If this problem persists with the new Chancellor of the Interior, I shall consult with the President and see what I can do.

Roads' actions to deny me citizenship have a lasting impact under the Second Republic, since his actions deprived me of being able to vote on the Constitution and the Senate and to hold office. Had Roads done his job, the new government would have the consent of the people instead of being tainted.

Bad Libertopia wrote:Roads' actions to deny me citizenship have a lasting impact under the Second Republic, since his actions deprived me of being able to vote on the Constitution and the Senate and to hold office. Had Roads done his job, the new government would have the consent of the people instead of being tainted.

This constant repetition is pointless. What is it with your grudge against Muh Roads? It's as though you've swallowed poison with the expectation that he'll be the one to die from it.

Your temper has stoked our own - not only mine, but also that of our Acting President. If only you were able to control that contempt, you would be a citizen by now! Instead you let it loose with your insistence on complaining about things it has long been too late to change, and for that reason, I find it highly unlikely you will find acceptance here until you learn to refrain.

Libertatem is not just a government, you see; in fact, that's just a very small part of who we are. We're a community that has stood strong for years, but was ravaged time and again by the unbridled anger of its own members - we were nearly torn apart by our thirst for war and vengeance. It is clear to me that our citizen body has decided to bury that part of the past with our old administration. Instead of inviting our ire, perhaps you, too, should do as we did.

Rateria, Libertitad

Miencraft wrote:The "Justice" link is outdated and refers to the head of the Department of Justice from the First Republic.

This. It'll be updated once we finish settling in.

That said, we can expedite the settling process if nobody else wants to run for President. If nobody's going to declare their intent by, say, next Wednesday, we can assume that I'm it, if everyone's okay with that.

Otherwise, we'll have to wait until the end of the month, because that's when elections would be if we had candidates.

I don't want to be president but I am interested in being either regional justice or Attorney General. If the current AG wants to be Regional Justice, I would actually much rather be AG, even if it's a less important position. If he would like to remain AG, justice is almost as good.

Bad Libertopia wrote:So I'm upping the ante now: Not only do I demand to be granted immediate citizenship in Libertatem, but I want Muh Roads put on trial for abuse of power and failure to perform his appointed duty. Since he denied me citizenship rights, it seems only fair that he should lose his citizenship rights for the same period of time that I was denied mine.

ROFL!!! There's a sure fire way to win friends and influence people.

Bad Libertopia wrote:I was never removed nor did I break any law or do any crime, nor was I "allowed" back, I just moved back.

So you are trespassing?

Bad Libertopia wrote:I filled out my citizenship forms and sent them in. TWICE. One was thrown out with no explanation, the other denied because Roads said "Um...I do what I want". The Transition President stood by and supported this, instead of stepping in and approving my applications.

Can't see why they would do that to such a warm and personable individual like yourself.

Bad Libertopia wrote:Again, we're back to this notion of awarding government favors (citizenship for me) on the basis of "being nice" rather than on a process that treats everyone fairly and equally.

So you subscribe to the "You catch more flies with crap" theory rather than the one referring to honey?

Nova Condealism wrote:It's as though you've swallowed poison with the expectation that he'll be the one to die from it.

There's an idea...

Nova Condealism wrote:It is clear to me that our citizen body has decided to bury that part of the past with our old administration. Instead of inviting our ire, perhaps you, too, should do as we did.

This.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Nova Condealism

Hyderbourg wrote:I don't want to be president but I am interested in being either regional justice or Attorney General. If the current AG wants to be Regional Justice, I would actually much rather be AG, even if it's a less important position. If he would like to remain AG, justice is almost as good.

I appreciate your interest in government. I believe Humpheria already expressed interest in the Regional Justice position, and as I believe he is far more qualified for the position than I am, I shall support him for Regional Justice if he is still interested. As for the AG position, I would not mind retaining the position, but in the end, I shall leave that decision up to the President, and allow the President to appoint whoever he/she thinks would be best.

Rateria, Hyderbourg, Proletaria Kommunism

Nova Condealism wrote:This constant repetition is pointless. What is it with your grudge against Muh Roads?

He's like many who claim to believe in liberty, and then when put in a position of power it goes to their head. "Umm...I do what I want" is the refrain of the tyrant, the bureaucrat's solicitation of a bribe, and Hillary Clinton's campaign slogan.

Nova Condealism wrote:Can't see why they would do that to such a warm and personable individual like yourself.

Exactly! When I was the WA Regional Delegate here I sought out advice and suggestions, explained what I would try to do (basically vote 'yes' on repeals and vote 'no' on new oppressive laws) with transparency and a humble heart.

I saw myself as working for the people of Libertatem, albeit as an illegal alien, while patiently awaiting a decision on my citizenship application. The good people of Libertatem saw fit to elect Hyderbourg to replace me, I thanked them for the opportunity to serve and wished him well on his new office. Government (what little of it there is) should serve the people, not the other way around.

Proletaria Kommunism, Castaway Island Of Wilson

New Jaslandia wrote:he/she

I'm the first one, by the way.

Miencraft wrote:I'm the first one, by the way.

Ah. I was under the impression a new President would be elected once the new government is set up. So, I assume you'll be appointing the Cabinet officers?

New Jaslandia wrote:Ah. I was under the impression a new President would be elected once the new government is set up. So, I assume you'll be appointing the Cabinet officers?

I like how I was just clarifying which of those two pronouns applied and then you bring this up.

But, anyways, it turns out that having elections at the end of the month means a lot of waiting. Since nobody's complained yet about the I'll-automatically-become-President-next-Wednesday idea, I think we'll just roll with that, and then, yeah, I'll fill a cabinet if I can find willing people.

Miencraft wrote:I like how I was just clarifying which of those two pronouns applied and then you bring this up.

But, anyways, it turns out that having elections at the end of the month means a lot of waiting. Since nobody's complained yet about the I'll-automatically-become-President-next-Wednesday idea, I think we'll just roll with that, and then, yeah, I'll fill a cabinet if I can find willing people.

Sorry. I thought you meant you were the first President (of the Second Republic), not that you were the first pronoun.

Libertitad

A feasible strategy, but hardly inspiring. What we really need to do is breathe some life into this new system, especially now that we're midway through the site-wide summer activity crash... plus, we need to get a feel for how it works.

Counter-proposal: We host an impromptu, off-season Presidential election as a trial run of sorts. I'll even announce my candidacy.

Now, I know what some of you older folks may be thinking - I can assure you that history won't repeat itself if we do go through with such a plan. I owe Miencraft a rematch after that time I snubbed a sure win from him in the days of the old republic, and while it's true that my reason for squaring off against him is just about the same now as it was then (at least initially), I have a feeling the results are going to be very different this time now that I have a cozy Senate seat and the confidence that he can represent every one of us.

That said, it would be nice if other citizens were to get on board with this idea, even join the race. Seeing as we're kicking off the crowning piece of a new government, we might as well make it a spectacle the likes of which NationStates has never seen before - after all, we wouldn't want newcomers getting the impression that we're an autocracy. What do you guys think?

New Jaslandia, Bad Libertopia

Nova Condealism wrote:A feasible strategy, but hardly inspiring. What we really need to do is breathe some life into this new system, especially now that we're midway through the site-wide summer activity crash... plus, we need to get a feel for how it works.

Counter-proposal: We host an impromptu, off-season Presidential election as a trial run of sorts. I'll even announce my candidacy.

Now, I know what some of you older folks may be thinking - I can assure you that history won't repeat itself if we do go through with such a plan. I owe Miencraft a rematch after that time I snubbed a sure win from him in the days of the old republic, and while it's true that my reason for squaring off against him is just about the same now as it was then (at least initially), I have a feeling the results are going to be very different this time now that I have a cozy Senate seat and the confidence that he can represent every one of us.

That said, it would be nice if other citizens were to get on board with this idea, even join the race. Seeing as we're kicking off the crowning piece of a new government, we might as well make it a spectacle the likes of which NationStates has never seen before - after all, we wouldn't want newcomers getting the impression that we're an autocracy. What do you guys think?

Interesting idea. I think a new presidential election would be nice, not because I have something against Miencraft (I think he's an excellent leader who helped guide us through this transitional period), but just because I think if we're starting completely from scratch in a sense, it makes sense to reset our leadership.

Rateria, Castaway Island Of Wilson, Nova Condealism

Nova Condealism wrote:A feasible strategy, but hardly inspiring. What we really need to do is breathe some life into this new system, especially now that we're midway through the site-wide summer activity crash... plus, we need to get a feel for how it works.

Counter-proposal: We host an impromptu, off-season Presidential election as a trial run of sorts. I'll even announce my candidacy.

Now, I know what some of you older folks may be thinking - I can assure you that history won't repeat itself if we do go through with such a plan. I owe Miencraft a rematch after that time I snubbed a sure win from him in the days of the old republic, and while it's true that my reason for squaring off against him is just about the same now as it was then (at least initially), I have a feeling the results are going to be very different this time now that I have a cozy Senate seat and the confidence that he can represent every one of us.

That said, it would be nice if other citizens were to get on board with this idea, even join the race. Seeing as we're kicking off the crowning piece of a new government, we might as well make it a spectacle the likes of which NationStates has never seen before - after all, we wouldn't want newcomers getting the impression that we're an autocracy. What do you guys think?

Eh, why not.

I don't know what to do with it or if you should even be counted as a real candidate, since you're a Senator, but we can probably say it's legit, and if I somehow manage to turn the vote around from an I-win to a Con-wins on the very last day of the polls (again. I still think it's really funny how I was winning until I said something on the last day and everyone switched over), I'll just steal your Senate seat.

Humpheria, Nova Condealism

Miencraft wrote:I'm the first one, by the way.

I'm triggered by your conformity to binary genders

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The United States Of Patriots wrote:I'm triggered by your conformity to binary genders

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I'm triggered by your being triggered by my conformity to the gender binary.

Rateria, Proletaria Kommunism, The United States Of Patriots

Miencraft wrote:Eh, why not.

I don't know what to do with it or if you should even be counted as a real candidate, since you're a Senator, but we can probably say it's legit, and if I somehow manage to turn the vote around from an I-win to a Con-wins on the very last day of the polls (again. I still think it's really funny how I was winning until I said something on the last day and everyone switched over), I'll just steal your Senate seat.

Sounds fair.

As a powerful senator I am endorsing Miencraft I think it's not the right time to hand over power to an incumbent. We are just getting our foundation set and he deserves to see it through. A vote for Miencraft is a vote for stabilization.

Pretty much my endorsement seals the victory for Miencraft. We'll get laws passed and stuff done

Bad Libertopia

Libertitad wrote:As a powerful senator I am endorsing Miencraft I think it's not the right time to hand over power to an incumbent.

I don't think you meant to say "incumbent" there.

Nova Condealism

Libertitad wrote:As a powerful senator I am endorsing Miencraft I think it's not the right time to hand over power to an incumbent. We are just getting our foundation set and he deserves to see it through. A vote for Miencraft is a vote for stabilization.

Pretty much my endorsement seals the victory for Miencraft. We'll get laws passed and stuff done

Umm...

We should ally with Brazil and declare war with Argentina.

Proletaria Kommunism

Republic Of Minerva wrote:We should ally with Brazil and declare war with Argentina.

But why?

Have to agree with the "powerful senator" there that Miencraft should be the first-term President.

Even though we've sparred about some issues recently, Miencraft is a hard worker for Libertatem, and we illegal aliens can admire and appreciate honest work. If the Presidential mansion needs any yard work done or you need any, um...herbs for the garden, you let let me know, amigo.

Miencraft, Humpheria, Rateria, Proletaria Kommunism, The United States Of Patriots, Libertitad

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How do I get involved here and participate in regional activities or politics? Just a heads up, I'm a "right-"libertarian - but this nation is a mutualist experiment reforming from a totalitarian tyranny.

Bad Libertopia wrote:Roads' actions to deny me citizenship have a lasting impact under the Second Republic, since his actions deprived me of being able to vote on the Constitution and the Senate and to hold office. Had Roads done his job, the new government would have the consent of the people instead of being tainted.

I was never under obligation to do my job efficiently tbh, get over yourself. I must warn you, I'm skilled in Libertatem-fu and my people love me.

The Ambassador To The Clfr

Muh Roads wrote:I was never under obligation to do my job efficiently tbh, get over yourself. I must warn you, I'm skilled in Libertatem-fu and my people love me.

Perhaps we can finally get the ROADS Amendment passed under the Second Republic.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Proletaria Kommunism wrote:How do I get involved here and participate in regional activities or politics? Just a heads up, I'm a "right-"libertarian - but this nation is a mutualist experiment reforming from a totalitarian tyranny.

Pretty much just what you're doing.

Keep on posting on the RMB, say some stuff when people are saying things (and when they're not), and just kinda familiarize yourself with how things work.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Proletaria Kommunism, Nova Condealism

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#ResumeTheWarOnCommunism

Proletaria Kommunism, Castaway Island Of Wilson

Hyderbourg wrote:#ResumeTheWarOnCommunism

#LetsNotAndSayWeDidnt

Republic Of Minerva

Sorry if I'm barging in here, but I am so done with the new leadership in the Conservative League right now.

The leadership here doesn't do anything but pass laws after laws to make sure that democracy doesn't exist.

Did we even vote on the flag? Hell do I know anymore. I can make good flags in adobe illustrator but instead we get mien's crappy paint.net flags. Nobody appreciates modern art as much as I do.

Proletaria Kommunism

Hyderbourg wrote:#ResumeTheWarOnCommunism

If you want to resume the war on communism, then do so. Nothing here is stopping you.

What's that? Can't get enough people to actually pursue it? Now you know how I felt for months. The only high point for me was the CAPS invasion, yet much of our success was reliant on mercenaries and bringing together people who hated the enemy more than us. But for a normal tag raid I couldn't usually scrape much more than 3 people. And it started to fall apart when spies started to sabotage our efforts, which was partially my fault as I at the time was only happy that people were willing to do some actual click-and-endorse raiding.

Proletaria Kommunism, Nova Condealism

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:If you want to resume the war on communism, then do so. Nothing here is stopping you.

What's that? Can't get enough people to actually pursue it? Now you know how I felt for months. The only high point for me was the CAPS invasion, yet much of our success was reliant on mercenaries and bringing together people who hated the enemy more than us. But for a normal tag raid I couldn't usually scrape much more than 3 people. And it started to fall apart when spies started to sabotage our efforts, which was partially my fault as I at the time was only happy that people were willing to do some actual click-and-endorse raiding.

Hehe. CAPS was fun for sure.

Patvarus wrote:Sorry if I'm barging in here, but I am so done with the new leadership in the Conservative League right now.

Long time no see. Not taking sides or anything, but what's the situation?

CNN said one shooter, who has holed up in a parking garage, said "the end is near." Information is very fluid at this time, but it sure isn't going to be a pretty day tomorrow.

4 officers dead and about 10 injured by snipers amidst a peaceful BLM protest. The savagery is mind numbing, and I fear the results could serve as a path of further division in the US. Prayers wouldn't hurt at this time, and unity will be important. RIP.

New Jaslandia, Rateria

Teuberland wrote:CNN said one shooter, who has holed up in a parking garage, said "the end is near." Information is very fluid at this time, but it sure isn't going to be a pretty day tomorrow.

4 officers dead and about 10 injured by snipers amidst a peaceful BLM protest. The savagery is mind numbing, and I fear the results could serve as a path of further division in the US. Prayers wouldn't hurt at this time, and unity will be important. RIP.

America is getting increasingly divided, just as you said. This division is one reason why I have very little faith in people.

Teuberland

Rateria wrote:America is getting increasingly divided, just as you said. This division is one reason why I have very little faith in people.

I'd argue that such division is caused by little faith in people. So many of us trust the systems that promise us everything we want over our own neighbors, with whom we could have cooperated to get some of what we want. So many of us fear strangers and unfamiliar individuals, but aren't the least bit rattled by the demagogues who cause that fear. So many of us shun the experiences of others in favor of our own personalized media, and become further entrapped in our own point of view.

If we all believed in our own humanity, we would form a cohesive, but still very diverse, whole - our ideals, systems, and even governments would serve us, not the other way around. Instead, we are driven to division and conflict by mutually contradictory masters.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Rateria

Just to clarify a few things.

All laws and jurisprudence of the First Republic are antiquated and memorialized. They no longer hold relevancy. There are two problems with suing (it would be a civil private suit) Muh right now. Firstly, he was serving a government that has been abolished so it is impossible to prove a violation of law (as no such law now exists). Secondly, Muh Roads is no longer a resident or citizen of Libertatem so it would be equally impossible to try him under the Second Republic, even in absentia as he has never held citizenship under it.

Oh, and yes, I am interested in the position of Regional Justice and endorse New Jaslandia to serve as Attorney General. Any interested in serving in the judiciary there will be an open position of Solicitor General to be appointed by the RJ. The Attorney General argues for the prosecution in criminal and civil cases and for the government in cases in which the government is the target of a suit. The Solicitor General acts as the defense and argues against the government. They are the only ones eligible to argue before the RJ.

Miencraft, New Jaslandia, Hyderbourg

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Nova Condealism wrote:Long time no see. Not taking sides or anything, but what's the situation?

Pretty big clash over our regional Constitution.

So the off-season Presidentials will be next Wednesday.

They're gonna be three days because that's what the Constitution says.

It'll be fun. Anyone else who wants to throw their hat in just to see what happens definitely should.

New Jaslandia, Nova Condealism

Nova Condealism wrote:I'd argue that such division is caused by little faith in people. So many of us trust the systems that promise us everything we want over our own neighbors, with whom we could have cooperated to get some of what we want. So many of us fear strangers and unfamiliar individuals, but aren't the least bit rattled by the demagogues who cause that fear. So many of us shun the experiences of others in favor of our own personalized media, and become further entrapped in our own point of view.

If we all believed in our own humanity, we would form a cohesive, but still very diverse, whole - our ideals, systems, and even governments would serve us, not the other way around. Instead, we are driven to division and conflict by mutually contradictory masters.

You're completely right. I try not to be paranoid and give everyone a chance, but I still don't give people my full trust.

Nova Condealism

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I would recommend beginning the elections immediately as there are currently pressing matters of government that we require an actual government to attend to.

I believe that with two candidates standing we are situated to hold a fair election. Further, in the spirit of a fair election I have another proposal:

I am currently writing a constitutional amendment that I will ask a Senator to sponsor in the Senate that clarifies and structures the Judiciary. One new tiles of the Regional Justice will be to administer elections since they have a term of 12 months and they are legally obligated to be fair under oath. Plus I have access to the founder account as a former President so it should be super easy to do.

I will refer to Interim President [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] for judgement on these proposals.

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Nova Condealism

Also, and mostly unrelated, with the introduction of another candidate making it a contested race, inwithdraw my endorsement of [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation]

I strongly encourage more citizens to declare their candidacy for the coming election.

New Jaslandia, Humpheria, Rateria

Nova Condealism wrote:I strongly encourage more citizens to declare their candidacy for the coming election.

I second. Declare while you can. Don't assume you'll lose so it isn't worth it. Get involved!

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Nova Condealism

Humpheria, I will take a look at your proposal and if there's no glaring problems I will sponsor the bill. Telegram it to me when it's ready.

The Powerful Senator from Libertidad

Humpheria, Rateria, Nova Condealism

Humpheria wrote:Just to clarify a few things.

All laws and jurisprudence of the First Republic are antiquated and memorialized. They no longer hold relevancy. There are two problems with suing (it would be a civil private suit) Muh right now. Firstly, he was serving a government that has been abolished so it is impossible to prove a violation of law (as no such law now exists). Secondly, Muh Roads is no longer a resident or citizen of Libertatem so it would be equally impossible to try him under the Second Republic, even in absentia as he has never held citizenship under it.

Oh, and yes, I am interested in the position of Regional Justice and endorse New Jaslandia to serve as Attorney General. Any interested in serving in the judiciary there will be an open position of Solicitor General to be appointed by the RJ. The Attorney General argues for the prosecution in criminal and civil cases and for the government in cases in which the government is the target of a suit. The Solicitor General acts as the defense and argues against the government. They are the only ones eligible to argue before the RJ.

I would like to be the SJ if thats okay

An Open Letter to Bad Libertopia,

[B]Please chill.[/B]

The United Powers of Hyderbourg.

Nova Condealism

Libertitad wrote:Humpheria, I will take a look at your proposal and if there's no glaring problems I will sponsor the bill. Telegram it to me when it's ready.

The Powerful Senator from Libertidad

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=659264

It has to be sponsored by a Senator, approved by 2/3 of the Senate and then there has to be a three day poll.

Humpheria wrote:Just to clarify a few things.

All laws and jurisprudence of the First Republic are antiquated and memorialized. They no longer hold relevancy. There are two problems with suing (it would be a civil private suit) Muh right now. Firstly, he was serving a government that has been abolished so it is impossible to prove a violation of law (as no such law now exists). Secondly, Muh Roads is no longer a resident or citizen of Libertatem so it would be equally impossible to try him under the Second Republic, even in absentia as he has never held citizenship under it.

Oh, and yes, I am interested in the position of Regional Justice and endorse New Jaslandia to serve as Attorney General. Any interested in serving in the judiciary there will be an open position of Solicitor General to be appointed by the RJ. The Attorney General argues for the prosecution in criminal and civil cases and for the government in cases in which the government is the target of a suit. The Solicitor General acts as the defense and argues against the government. They are the only ones eligible to argue before the RJ.

We have a 2nd Republic? Man being on mobile keeps me off the RMB. My CP hasn't worked in 2 months.

Teuberland wrote:We have a 2nd Republic? Man being on mobile keeps me off the RMB. My CP hasn't worked in 2 months.

We abolished the First Republic and created a new government.

Rateria, Nova Condealism

Humpheria wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=659264

It has to be sponsored by a Senator, approved by 2/3 of the Senate and then there has to be a three day poll.

I sponsor the Amendment.

Rateria, Nova Condealism

Humpheria wrote:I would recommend beginning the elections immediately as there are currently pressing matters of government that we require an actual government to attend to.

I believe that with two candidates standing we are situated to hold a fair election. Further, in the spirit of a fair election I have another proposal:

I am currently writing a constitutional amendment that I will ask a Senator to sponsor in the Senate that clarifies and structures the Judiciary. One new tiles of the Regional Justice will be to administer elections since they have a term of 12 months and they are legally obligated to be fair under oath. Plus I have access to the founder account as a former President so it should be super easy to do.

I will refer to Interim President [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation] for judgement on these proposals.

1) I'll interpret immediately as in Sunday.

2) Sounds good to me, I guess.

Rateria, Libertitad, Nova Condealism

Miencraft wrote:1) I'll interpret immediately as in Sunday.

2) Sounds good to me, I guess.

Everyone has until Sunday to run for President

Miencraft, Rateria, Libertitad, Nova Condealism

I'm running for president.

Vote for me if you want a military general for president like Dwight Eisenhower, and not some lowly career bureaucrat.

Humpheria, Rateria, Castaway Island Of Wilson, Nova Condealism

Any citizen wishing to petition for a hearing to initiate a trial

So non-citizen residents are denied access to the justice system?

In most places we live citizens do have more rights than non-citizens (e.g. voting, government services, employment, etc.) but their legal residency (or lack thereof) does not affect their right to sue in court. Otherwise, it would be open season to rob or defraud foreign tourists because they would have no recourse.

As long as you're going to have a permanent underclass here of active residents who are denied citizenship, you should be thoughtful about what rights they have and what rights they don't have.

Bad Libertopia wrote:In most places we live citizens do have more rights than non-citizens (e.g. voting, government services, employment, etc.) but their legal residency (or lack thereof) does not affect their right to sue in court. Otherwise, it would be open season to rob or defraud foreign tourists because they would have no recourse.

We're not most places. Don't like it? Move.

Miencraft, Republic Of Minerva, Castaway Island Of Wilson, Libertitad

If Libertopia turns out to be Misley, I'm gonna flip.

Note to self: Draft an EDIT Amendment.

Humpheria wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=humpheria/detail=factbook/id=659264

It has to be sponsored by a Senator, approved by 2/3 of the Senate and then there has to be a three day poll.

The Aradites wrote:I sponsor the Amendment.

Although doing so is redundant, I also sponsor this Amendment.

Nova Condealism wrote:Although doing so is redundant, I also sponsor this Amendment.

I sent this to Retiree as a telegram but figured I shkjld post this here to see if you guys want to get an interpretation of the law and clean up the working like I wanted in one of the sections. 2 sponsors(votes) brings it to a poll now but anyways

"Can you please add a section where any defendant is free to represent themselves? I feel like it should be a given but may as well add it.

Also can you clean up the wording in the section that reads.

The Regional Justice may be serve as an ex officiomember of the Senate and Cabinet, entitling him to be present in the business of the Executive and Legislative branches to ensure the law is followed though he will neither have a role or a voice in the aforementioned proceedings"

(C)

Miencraft wrote:But why?

http://i.imgur.com/TnQRX6v.gif

Miencraft, New Jaslandia

Libertitad wrote:shkjld

Cool stroke brah.

New Jaslandia

Oh and there's some weird grammar stuff that needs to be done with that Amendment, but we'll deal with that when it gets closer to being put up for ratification.

With two of three Senators sponsoring it, it passes the Senate per the 2/3 rule.

Miencraft wrote:Oh and there's some weird grammar stuff that needs to be done with that Amendment, but we'll deal with that when it gets closer to being put up for ratification.

Literally every piece of legislation that every person has ever proposed I have seen you say something about grammar. You should just force us all to let you proofread.

Humpheria wrote:Literally every piece of legislation that every person has ever proposed I have seen you say something about grammar. You should just force us all to let you proofread.

Sounds like a potential amendment to me.

Rateria, Libertitad

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Me good grammar am certain important somehow. Can we nominate Humpheria for Proofreader General of the Department of Archives, Documents and Other Stuff? Do we have a Dept of AD&OS? Can it be justified as a necessary function of government?

New Jaslandia, Rateria, Libertitad

Humpheria wrote:Literally every piece of legislation that every person has ever proposed I have seen you say something about grammar. You should just force us all to let you proofread.

Heh.

I'll just, uh, correct stuff with the Second Republic nation if you're all fine with that.

error correction: nominate Miencraft for Proofreader General.

Humpheria, The United States Of Patriots

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