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Region: Libertatem
There's much work to be done yet: forming an independent recruiting establishment, increasing our population to over 100 (permanently) and transforming the region into a military power compatible in might with the socialist empires.
I don't see why not. Both wings have good ideas. If you implement them together it makes it better.
Most people don't. They are either right or left.
Well economic policies on the left wing are crap, so.
It's like this: If you have black and white operating independently they both look esthetically pleasing but when they are mixed it just looks grey and no one likes grey. (In no way a comment on race)
did anyone else have their nationstates ++ cease to function?
That's happened to me a few times. Either re-enable the extension through your browser or reinstall it.
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Natural Rights in a Nutshell
Natural rights are not a social construct. Individuals control their bodies and minds using a series of complex nerves and organs connected to our brain - this is scientific fact. You, by right of birth, choose what you do with yourself. So since external forces (i.e. governments) cannot physically control the individuals, and can only dictate the actions of others with the threat of physical force, they have no material right to apply coercion towards them.
So since you own your own body and choose what you do with it, you're naturally entitled to self-governance.
Can we get some recruiting done please? We're starting dipping into pre-October levels now.
I'll do some recruiting.
Could someone tg me a copy of an updated recruitment telegram?
To those who voted 'other', may I ask why?
And whom?
I would like to see who else is running before I make any commitments.
Gazette article released.
I'm gonna be doing the political articles now if nobody else will.
Would be fun to see some things on more local happenings, if that's a thing we can do.
Thanks a lot, Miencraft. I don't have much time to submit articles these days, so I think you're the guy for the job.
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I saw The LEGO Movie today with my brother and friend. It's perhaps one of the most classically liberal mainstream films ever made.
How so?
*sigh* Remind me to buy Postmaster General some day soon.
Seconded
Not always.
I find grey to be a nice color. Relative to silver.
Darn. That sounds controlling.
It condemns the relationship between business and government, vilifies monopolistic regulations and state planning, praises the idea of anarchy and essentially states that government is the exploitation of the productive and creative in society to its own parasitic benefit. It celebrates the power of the individual and makes a scathing attack on collectivism.
Yes. The reason we have governance is to uphold moral standards of those who don't have as high morals. Thus the government's only jobs are as follows. To keep it's citizens safe and to help it's citizens. Government should have no other role.
I was just wondering.
I feel as if after 2 failed presidential elections and how every many failed board elections you should understand that nobody wants you in any position of power, Time Alliance.
At least not yet ^_^ I think TTA is running on principle rather than politics, which we should all respect him for. But I don't think he has much chance of convincing any of us to adopt his strange brand of centrism. Hopefully we can one day make him a libertarian convert ;)
Haha
So. There's a thing. Always stand for what you believe in no matter if everyone around you disagrees. Besides people enter and leave this region all the time.
We may not agree entirely, but you have to applaud his determination and that at least should earn our respect and commendation.
I don't understand how my recruiting has actually lowered the population. guess it's not my thing.. lol.
But yes i will send more TG's soon.
For the record, I do plan on running for president of Libertatem someday. However, I don't feel the need as of yet because President Pev is doing a fantastic job. Not to mention, his knowledge on Libertatem's past far surpasses mine. I have a good knowledge of the laws and some of the history.. but its not first hand experience like Pev's.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
You make a good point
You're efforts have been very much beneficial, don't get me wrong. The recent CTE's have been healthy puppet clearances and a weeding-out of more inactive nations. My request was directed at others, specifically the rest of the Board. Recruiting should be an official responsibility of Board members.
Thank you, Muh Roads.
This is so true.
And good for you man. I like Time Alliance because I think he has ran in like every election since I've been here and he never gives up. I respect your persistence.
Thank you.
TTA may have the best healthcare and welfare, but the happiest citizens are in an Anarchy. Buahaha.
I also have second smartest and Nicest Citizens.
Fun fact: Somalians are better off now than under the pre-90s Communist regime.
While I don't doubt that, can I get some context?
http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/Somalia
Libertarian paradise? Hahaha. Funny.
We're the happiest and most cultured, but also the most avoided.
So that's a thing. I'd bet TTA is the least avoided.
We won't know till it's shown
So far I am in 1st twice and 2nd once.
Every time they mention largest exporter of ________ I am always dead last.
I honestly had no idea the data was so striking, thanks
I have drafted a measure that builds on the PUPPET Amendment, and changes some things. I asked for advice from the Board, and in the process, we voted on it and it passed there unanimously. We then sent it to the Office of Internal Affairs, where the Manager signed. I know propose it to the House for voting. If passed, we will give it to President Pev. Thank you, and I am open to amendments and suggestions. That's what we did in the Board.
FRAUD Act
Future Regional Activity Unfair Discourse Act
Section I
Purpose of the Act
Subsection I
Clarify specific laws on puppet use
Subsection II
Address voter fraud
Subsection III
Foreign puppets
Subsection IV
Citizenship
Section II
Clarify specific laws on puppet use
Subsection I
Any nation classified as a Citizen is entitled to the use of puppets
Subsection II
Said puppets must be announced as such, or they are illegal
Subsection III
Said puppets ARE NOT Citizens, and do not have rights
Section III
Address voter fraud
Subsection I
Any Citizen may have only one vote in any office or legislative election or referendum
Subsection II
Only Citizens of Libertatem may vote in any office or legislative election or referendum
Subsection III
No nation that has resided in Libertatem for less than ten days may be qualified as Citizens
Subsection IV
Any nation convicted of voter fraud will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Section IV
Foreign puppets
Subsection I
Any nation from any ally of Libertatem may send a dignitary puppet
Subsection II
These puppets must be identified as dignitaries to be granted proper rights
Subsection III
It is illegal for a foreign nation to send a puppet disguised as a sovereign nation
Subsection IV
After having membership of more than one month, these puppets will classify as Citizens
Section V
Citizenship
Subsection I
Only Citizens may hold office and vote in public elections
Subsection II
One must be a resident by at least ten days before being eligible for citizenship
Subsection III
After the residency requirement is met, a nation must notify the Manager of Internal Affairs
Subsection IV
The Manager of Internal Affairs will keep a public list of Citizens, only those nations may hold office and vote
Authored By:
Yea:
Nay
None
House Ruling
AT VOTE
Signed By:
The President of Libertatem
Pevvania (Not Yet Signed, Pending House vote)
Manager of Internal Affairs
I take offense to Section IV.
Subsection IV Buddy. I think few people even remotely see you as a foreign anything.
While I'm aware that it does not apply to me, I believe that in other circumstances, it very well could. I think the proposed legislation is too quick to single others out.
The point is that if a nation is a dignitary, they have to triple the time to qualify as a full-blown citizen, they openly hold allegiance elsewhere. It's not singling them out, it's being safe.
And that's a point I can't stand behind. I'm a full aversion to that, after all.
I think these proposed "dignitaries" are just as trustworthy as non-aligned newcomers, if not more if they're from an allied region.
I see your point. My thought is that they are solely in existence to represent foreign lands, even if they are allied. So, I was saying let them prove themselves before having power to influence our elections. I'm not saying ban all foreign relations, just try to avoid another TFI incident. Although we don't have a lot of those factors, well... you get the point.
But that is a minor detail, one that I'm willing to change if someone else disapproves, you can't propose legislation without being willing to change it.
CI has a valid point. What if it were amended to having "foreign" puppets needing only the same time as other new nations? The point of this bill should really be to make a voter registry not to exclude active players.
Indeed; what I'm trying to say is, there is no need to differentiate a new recruit from a new recruit that has a presence in other regions. As far as categories go, they're pretty much the same, and equally biased.
I digress, that wasn't my intention, when you view the bill in my factbook, it will be changed.
Amended
Any other issues you two?
Looks good to me. Glad to see the IRU (and later, TFI) won't be alone in having loose yet effective criteria for a citizen body.
That was a big one discussed by the Board.
The question is, which ally do I represent? I'm not exactly a slouch in any of our allied regions in which I am present. Lolz :3
There are many thins that I wonder about you CI, that's pretty low on the list.
On the current state of our Military:
We have done very well this year. But we now face that an ally of ours, TFI 2 Gen, is now under attack, but me, and Muh Roads are already involved in a raid.
But I have asked Humpheria a special favor. If want to know what this favor is, feel free to TG me or Humpheria.
Lol
Upon a closer rereading of the proposed legislation I must declare my approval.
Glad to hear it.
False alarm. Favor cancelled.
TFI 2nd Gen is currently fine, but keep an eye on it.
What are you guy's stance on the situation in Anarchy?
Let it get conquered. It was just an Anarcho-Communist hellhole anyway.
I don't like ancoms any more than you, but a.) there are also AnCaps in that region and b.) I somewhat dislike TBR more.
I like Sections III and V of the act, but the other two seem to emplace burdensome restrictions on the inflow of nations. The act definitely has some good parts, but I don't want to see a tight immigration state created.
I will re-read it when I get back from college, then give further recommendations.
I don't think we should bother quarrelling with the Black Riders. The military incompetence of the Communists means that they're often more effected than we are by their actions, so they can be a useful to us. Our fight is with the Red Fleet, not with a towering morass of loosely interconnected raiding groups.
Thank god it got conquered.
On the FRAUD Act
This bill has some promise, and I like sections III and V, but the act in general contains too many restrictive regulations for me to get behind it. I'll lay out some suggestions in amending the bill, and I recommend that these are met before the bill is taken to House vote.
-Banning non-citizen puppets is unnecessarily authoritarian. Block puppeteering in the electoral process, sure, but prohibiting puppets in this scale is against our region's values. There is also no need for it - as long as a puppet is not being used to inflate votes or to over-represent a member of the government.
-Make citizenship applicable, not automatic.
-Tie citizenship directly to WA, meaning that one can only be a citizen if they identify their WA nation.
- Not banning, I said they were legal and any citizen may have as many puppets as they want, they just don't have rights. A citizen shouldn't be able to be citizens twice, that's the point.
- That's why you notify Internal Affairs, he doesn't automatically put you on the list, you have to ask
- That's a good idea. Consider it done.
- where is this in the act?
- If you come here you must have citizenship. Otherwise you must forfeit your rights to vote and ect.
-And if they don't have a WA nation?
I have serious restraints with demanding WA status for citizenship.
As do I.
1. It clearly states that unregistered puppets are illegal.
2. Ok, cool.
It would be a trust verification method and would ensure that no subversives infiltrate the government.
What if they don't want a WA nation?
Thirded. Especially considering military operations.
As a suggestion, maybe citizenship could mean a forum sign-up? Might kickstart the old thing.
That could be used as an excuse for any potential spy seeking to overthrow the government and sabotage our operations.
If this idea meets significant resistance, maybe only government officials need to verify their WA location? I think this is absolutely necessary for our security.
I like this idea, but it also interferes with the house no?
So what would become of "foreign" puppets and dignitaries whom have their "main" nation with WA status housed in an alien region?
A citizen (Libertatem resident) having a disguised puppet to vote and such is illegal. You can have puppets, you just have to say they're yours. There is no way to enforce this. It is more of a deterrent, and if someone is accused of this and they broke this law, it is an extra, solid grounds to prosecute them on. It is merely a legal device.
He didn't say they needed their WA to be here, they just needed to identify their WA, so we know they aren't spies. It's a good idea.
Attention, Board of Libertatem:
As President of TFI, I ask - nay, demand - that you not establish a military presence in The Federal Islands 2nd Gen and do not get involved in any way with The Federal Islands 2. If there is a security threat, I will inform you. Because I have not detected such a threat, you guys can keep an eye out, but please leave the citizenry of the region in peace. There is nothing that currently necessitates your involvement. Is that clear?
I'm glad to see everyone so invested in the Region's legislation.
What if I left the WA right now.
No, unless a representative is authoring a bill.
Speaking of which, does the citizenship requirement for public service apply to the House too, [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation]?
They would have special status.
Understood. We will respect the military sovereignty of The Federal Islands 2nd Gen.
I will add that you must be a citizen to serve, but you don't have to serve to be a citizen.
Thank you. I will hold a vote in TFI; if the results are in favor of a Libertatem occupation, I will reconsider.
Defensive reinforcement*
Very important.
Right.
Can we get a check on differences between these two. It sounds more like tomato, tomahto than anything
If we are going to add the WA identification, there needs to be special circumstances. If i have a puppet currently involved in a mission i don't want to reveal whom that is during that mission. Maybe add an exclusion for recognized Libertatem military members?
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