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baha... it tried to type in the antifascist video but got this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtCPGPQv4GA

I only took a girl from the city who had never hunting before once. It should have been nonce. But i was young and she was game.

Narland wrote:baha... it tried to type in the antifascist video but got this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtCPGPQv4GA

I only took a girl from the city who had never hunting before once. It should have been nonce. But i was young and she was game.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Be_a_Sucker

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

*gone for a week, sees 80 new messages*

"Should I meticulously read all these messeges to see what my region has been up to and discussing so I can contribute something meaningful? Hah, naaah."

well the summer heat has arrived where i live

Skaveria wrote:*gone for a week, sees 80 new messages*

"Should I meticulously read all these messeges to see what my region has been up to and discussing so I can contribute something meaningful? Hah, naaah."

meaningful armchair deliberation is all rage. these days it seems the more meaningful the contribution more rage that results...

If dogs can be police officers, they should have the right to vote.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:If dogs can be police officers, they should have the right to vote.

Dogs are people too you know

Suzi Island wrote:Dogs are people too you know

I am more concerned about government officials who cant tell the difference between the worth and dignity of a dog, and that of a fellow human being. People who are so confused as to treat a dog like a human, doesn't instill confidence in me that they won't evidentially treat people like dogs.

The United States Of Patriots

My nephew sent me this link: It is fairly humourous in a sad sort of way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7SvFffTwZg

Narland wrote:I am more concerned about government officials who cant tell the difference between the worth and dignity of a dog, and that of a fellow human being. People who are so confused as to treat a dog like a human, doesn't instill confidence in me that they won't evidentially treat people like dogs.

Police officer shoots your dog for expressing discomfort with strangers trespassing on property: Always "self defense"

You shoot police officer's dog for scratching car during random narcotics sweep in local gas station parking lot: You are now slapped with a felony and potential 40 year prison sentence, and $30,000 dollars in fines, you cannot claim self defense.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Auxorii, New Tampa, Anti-Polis

I am Mudd! -- Mudd

I am France! -- DeGaulle

i am woman! -- Reddy

I am the Law! -- Dredd

I am Science! -- Fauci

I am not impressed -- Tonio K

quote=narland;44252994]

I am Science! -- Fauci

The last gasp attempt of a fraud to save his career

Narland, Miri Islands

Dr Tony Fauci is a fraudster; most people thought he would be a reasonable voice who could give good advice about on how to deal with a new virus. Instead he was nothing more than a bureaucrat who got addicted to the power and prestige his position during the COVID crises afforded him. It was never about the science to Fraudi it was all about himself. He should be relegated to the trash bin of history like all other fraudsters throughout time

Miencraft, Narland, Miri Islands

Wow I’ve been in Libertatem just over 4 years. Time flies when your having fun.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria, New Tampa

Suzi Island wrote:Wow I’ve been in Libertatem just over 4 years. Time flies when your having fun.

amateur

I told a joke at the checkout to the clerk when paying at a local store. The clerk (a young-un) looked nervously and asked me, "Is it okay to laugh at that?" The one-liner: "I heard that six out of seven dwarfs are not Happy."

Rateria, The United States Of Patriots, New Tampa

Narland wrote:I told a joke at the checkout to the clerk when paying at a local store. The clerk (a young-un) looked nervously and asked me, "Is it okay to laugh at that?" The one-liner: "I heard that six out of seven dwarfs are not Happy."
it will be a sad world when even dad jokes are considered offensive

Narland, New Tampa

Suzi Island wrote:it will be a sad world when even dad jokes are considered offensive

um eckscuse me it is sexist to assume that only dads can tell dad jokes and racist to assume that everyone had a dad

Narland, New Tampa, Anti-Polis

Narland wrote:I told a joke at the checkout to the clerk when paying at a local store. The clerk (a young-un) looked nervously and asked me, "Is it okay to laugh at that?" The one-liner: "I heard that six out of seven dwarfs are not Happy."

*Ba dum tis*

Miencraft wrote:um eckscuse me it is sexist to assume that only dads can tell dad jokes and racist to assume that everyone had a dad

The sad thing is people actually would say something like that

Miencraft, Narland, New Tampa

Suzi Island wrote:quote=narland;44252994]

I am Science! -- Fauci

The last gasp attempt of a fraud to save his career

Suzi Island wrote:Dr Tony Fauci is a fraudster; most people thought he would be a reasonable voice who could give good advice about on how to deal with a new virus. Instead he was nothing more than a bureaucrat who got addicted to the power and prestige his position during the COVID crises afforded him. It was never about the science to Fraudi it was all about himself. He should be relegated to the trash bin of history like all other fraudsters throughout time

This sheds some pretty important light on the interworkings of the government. Incompetent people fail their way to the top

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:This sheds some pretty important light on the interworkings of the government. Incompetent people fail their way to the top

Yes. The bigger the government the higher up there is to fail to the top.

Anyone can become incompetent when spending someone else's money, but it takes a real narcissist to fubar a basic societal contractual obligation to civic service on behalf of the citizenry in the sacred obligation to protect the citizen's rights and liberty.

Miri Islands

Miri Islands wrote:This sheds some pretty important light on the interworkings of the government. Incompetent people fail their way to the top

Narland wrote:Yes. The bigger the government the higher up there is to fail to the top.

Anyone can become incompetent when spending someone else's money, but it takes a real narcissist to fubar a basic societal contractual obligation to civic service on behalf of the citizenry in the sacred obligation to protect the citizen's rights and liberty.

And that’s another reason that small government is wiser

Miri Islands

What is it going to take to get rid of the AFA? I do not understand why people in both parties want to shove the same sub-standard care of Veterans in the VA Hospitals on the entire nation. Power-mongers in both parties would rather let people strangle and die under bureaucrat inefficiency than let the free market raise care to the most optimal solution for everyone.

Narland wrote:What is it going to take to get rid of the AFA? I do not understand why people in both parties want to shove the same sub-standard care of Veterans in the VA Hospitals on the entire nation. Power-mongers in both parties would rather let people strangle and die under bureaucrat inefficiency than let the free market raise care to the most optimal solution for everyone.

Decentralize, privatize, and uphold the law. Government isn't interested in doing any of these lately

Narland

why would the gov be interested in privatizing itself?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:why would the gov be interested in privatizing itself?

It should be the citizens clambering for that but unfortunately too many have accepted the growing leviathan of the federal bureaucracy

Republic Of Minerva wrote:why would the gov be interested in privatizing itself?

Good rhetorical question. Why would anyone be interested in divesting himself, be he a real person, be it an artificial person that is a corporation (business, city, county, state, federal government, or organization of any sort).

External government is never interested in divesting itself of raw power and ownership without a persuasive enough incentive -- like chaining down its propensity to mischief with the chains of a proper Constitution that recognizes the inherent Liberty of the rights of the People AND punishes evildoers masquerading as civil servants with 5 year prison sentences for such the like as deprivation of rights under color of authority, misprisions of felony, malfeasance, fraud, conspiracy to defraud, and for justices also expelling them for bad behaviour. Like I don't know, maybe enforcing the US Law and statutes that are already on the books.

Suzi Island wrote:It should be the citizens clambering for that but unfortunately too many have accepted the growing leviathan of the federal bureaucracy

I learned from a teacher in civics class long ago that the fight to be free from oppression and slavery is three-pronged to be lasting. You have to fight for your right:

1. to be free,

2. to be let be, and

3. to govern yourself unmolested by the whims of others.

People who are willing to sacrifice their lives, liberty, and property to fight for the above deserve the freedom they win, and their children and grandchildren are blessed by it. A lazy and depraved people deserve the tyranny and ruin that they foist upon themselves, but it is their children and grandchildren end up paying the price for their dereliction.

Miri Islands

Narland wrote:I learned from a teacher in civics class long ago that the fight to be free from oppression and slavery is three-pronged to be lasting. You have to fight for your right:

1. to be free,

2. to be let be, and

3. to govern yourself unmolested by the whims of others.

People who are willing to sacrifice their lives, liberty, and property to fight for the above deserve the freedom they win, and their children and grandchildren are blessed by it. A lazy and depraved people deserve the tyranny and ruin that they foist upon themselves, but it is their children and grandchildren end up paying the price for their dereliction.

You were lucky to have a teacher who valued freedom and taught that way. Unfortunately that’s a rare thing these days

Miri Islands

Happy Father’s Day to any Fathers in the region

Narland, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:You were lucky to have a teacher who valued freedom and taught that way. Unfortunately that’s a rare thing these days

I wish I could remember the specially made social studies textbook focusing on liberty we (students/parents) had to pay for out of our own pockets because the public school administrators wouldn't authorize them for use.

I do remember this. One of the best AVs Mr. M played was "Philosophy of Liberty" by Ken Schoolland on 10mm film for the class. I recommend it to everybody.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1buym2xUM[/url] (now digitized for your viewing pleasure)

Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:You were lucky to have a teacher who valued freedom and taught that way. Unfortunately that’s a rare thing these days

Having a teacher who values freedom is so eye opening. At my highschool we were very rural so there were plenty of teachers who genuinely cared. The reason the teachers unions are so dogmatic is because it takes only one liberty minded teacher to completely break the indoctrination

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:Having a teacher who values freedom is so eye opening. At my highschool we were very rural so there were plenty of teachers who genuinely cared. The reason the teachers unions are so dogmatic is because it takes only one liberty minded teacher to completely break the indoctrination

How true

Narland

This thread may be of interest to some in Libertatem:

General Assembly Reset

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=506629&f=15&view=unread#unread

What does everyone think about John McAfee's "suicide"?

I'm new btw, hi

Kumquat Cove, Rateria, New Tampa

Anti-Polis wrote:What does everyone think about John McAfee's "suicide"?

I'm new btw, hi

Welcome Anti-polos.

1. McAfee had an unshakable "do no harm" ethic, and had an end goal to try to live long enough for life extension therapies to become effective.

2. He took adequate precaution to let others know that under no circumstances would he commit suicide in prison.

3. He had resources to fight the US bureaucrats at least to a standstill.

4. He had the worldwide support of anti-globalists who do not want to see the Earth turned into a neo-fuedal prison planet that would provide help should things go sidewise with the rogue administrative state's vendetta against him. Unlike what Assange was unprepared to encounter.

5. He made enemies with Mexican drug lords, Belize politicos, kicked the hornets nest of US Alphabet soup agencies, and "flaunted" his Libertarian individuality.

If he was killed it was most likely for actions directly derived from his Libertarian ideals. I have yet to hear a convincing argument otherwise. Of all the "reasons" tossed out there go into verbal gymnastics to the effect that he was so deranged that he committed suicide to psyche people into thinking that he was murdered.

He was on several of my todo lists:

"people to meet"

"brains to pick -- entrepreneurial ideas"

"people to buy a cup-o-joe /pint of ale for "

Miencraft, Kumquat Cove, Miri Islands

Good points, especially no. 1.

The other possibility is that he was so committed to libertarianism that he actually killed himself in order to publicize US government corruption. So he could have been trying to become the next Epstein. Or maybe he figured he would be "suicided" soon anyway so he decided to do it himself. Ofc it's still quite possible that he was killed.

Apparently he collected a bunch of data about government corruption which was supposed to be released after his death, let's see if that pans out.

twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1137777348919681024

Narland

Anti-Polis wrote:Good points, especially no. 1.

The other possibility is that he was so committed to libertarianism that he actually killed himself in order to publicize US government corruption. So he could have been trying to become the next Epstein. Or maybe he figured he would be "suicided" soon anyway so he decided to do it himself. Ofc it's still quite possible that he was killed.

Apparently he collected a bunch of data about government corruption which was supposed to be released after his death, let's see if that pans out.

twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1137777348919681024

I didn't know him, but from what I did know about him, he didn't seem to be someone who would take the easy way out.

Anti-Polis

I sort of think he did it himself. He is well known for being fairly trollish, his last post on instagram was a letter "Q." I suspect that things caught up to him and he didn't want to be extradited. Any sentence he received at age 75 was a death sentence. He stated in the past he had a dead-mans trigger to release information on a whole bunch of people but so far nothing has happened.

Anti-Polis

Anti-Polis wrote:What does everyone think about John McAfee's "suicide"?

I'm new btw, hi

He was suicided much like Jeffrey Epstein

Narland, New Tampa, Miri Islands

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I sort of think he did it himself. He is well known for being fairly trollish, his last post on instagram was a letter "Q." I suspect that things caught up to him and he didn't want to be extradited. Any sentence he received at age 75 was a death sentence. He stated in the past he had a dead-mans trigger to release information on a whole bunch of people but so far nothing has happened.

That's possible, but I don't think it would just be a troll or an act of desperation. He definitely knew that if he died in prison, people would theorize that he was killed for knowing too much. If he did commit suicide, he did it with the intention of getting people to publicly theorize and question authority (just like what happened after Epstein). And if he did have 31 terabytes of info to release, then being Epsteined in prison would be the best way of getting people interested in it. And if lots of people are interested in the info, cover-ups are unlikely to be effective.

So should we do a poll?

Narland, The United States Of Patriots

The United States Of Patriots wrote:I sort of think he did it himself. He is well known for being fairly trollish, his last post on instagram was a letter "Q." I suspect that things caught up to him and he didn't want to be extradited. Any sentence he received at age 75 was a death sentence. He stated in the past he had a dead-mans trigger to release information on a whole bunch of people but so far nothing has happened.

It is a possibility that he committed suicide. But the Q post is most suspicious for several reasons.

1. McAfee's elint hasn't released meaning that his personals possession and effects may have been compromised.

2. it appears from his twitter feed that many of his main supporters were being shadowbanned from McAfee's sight indicating he may have been targeted.

3. Posting "Q" is It is something that a statist mindset would expect someone like McAfee to post, but not something that someone who thinks like McAfee actually would.

4. It is possible that this was a codeword for someone. It is not outside of standard operating procedure in many orgs for ops to sigma in such a manner. Or (on the slim chance imo) it was a sig from McAffee to associates to release the elint, it failed.

A poll sounds great.

The United States Of Patriots, Anti-Polis

Friends don't let vaccinated friends wear masks.

Narland wrote:Friends don't let vaccinated friends wear masks.

Friends don’t let friends get vaxxed

Narland, Miri Islands

Post self-deleted by Narland.

Suzi Island wrote:Friends don’t let friends get vaxxed

I liked it because of the humour, even though I think (proper) vaccination and inoculation are important.

Everyone, please, please, do your research to the best of your ability when it is your body. You are the only you you've got. Discuss it with a physician that can think for himself/herself and is not just a paper-pusher for an Orwellian bureaucracy, or a automated drug dispenser for a racketeering franchise.

Your physician as practiced, skilled and educated as he/she may be, cannot always be fully versed with the intricacies of the entire compliment of medicinals for the scores of patients to be treated. Find out if there is viable market competition with several choices. A second or third opinion professional opinion can never hurt.

Never, just get a vaccine because they have it, even in the States. Research and do a risk benefit analysis that best fits you and your family. Never trust that nobody will never give in to the natural human condition toward incompetence, negligence, recklessness, and indifference when you and your family's health is on the line (sometimes double negatives are necessary).

Some vaccines are worth the risk as long as the manufacturer can be trusted to release all of the data in an accurate manner. Some vaccines are next to useless (especially in authoritarian regimes). Always research what serum from which company/dispensary goes into the vaccine, and order the one that specifically meets your standards. The vaccines could be from sources that are do not care if there is human fetal tissue, mercury, or other repugnant stuff present. The storage and distribution may be subpar, etc. There are other factors that may influence your decision. Please be diligent.

(A friendly public service announcement from someone who lost a loved-one from bad medicine.)

Miencraft, Auxorii, New Tampa

Narland wrote:I liked it because of the humour, even though I think (proper) vaccination and inoculation are important.

Everyone, please, please, do your research to the best of your ability when it is your body. You are the only you you've got. Discuss it with a physician that can think for himself/herself and is not just a paper-pusher for an Orwellian bureaucracy, or a automated drug dispenser for a racketeering franchise.

Your physician as practiced, skilled and educated as he/she may be, cannot always be fully versed with the intricacies of the entire compliment of medicinals for the scores of patients to be treated. Find out if there is viable market competition with several choices. A second or third opinion professional opinion can never hurt.

Never, just get a vaccine because they have it, even in the States. Research and do a risk benefit analysis that best fits you and your family. Never trust that nobody will never give in to the natural human condition toward incompetence, negligence, recklessness, and indifference when you and your family's health is on the line (sometimes double negatives are necessary).

Some vaccines are worth the risk as long as the manufacturer can be trusted to release all of the data in an accurate manner. Some vaccines are next to useless (especially in authoritarian regimes). Always research what serum from which company/dispensary goes into the vaccine, and order the one that specifically meets your standards. The vaccines could be from sources that are do not care if there is human fetal tissue, mercury, or other repugnant stuff present. The storage and distribution may be subpar, etc. There are other factors that may influence your decision. Please be diligent.

(A friendly public service announcement from someone who lost a loved-one from bad medicine.)

Obviously I was being (somewhat) facetious but the Covid jab is one that I wouldn’t trust. Other more established vaccines (smallpox, mumps, etc) are proven to be safe and effective with decades of use and tests

Miencraft, Narland

Man I am really drifting away from this site. Came back to a message warning me my nation may cease to exist four days ago.

Skaveria wrote:Man I am really drifting away from this site. Came back to a message warning me my nation may cease to exist four days ago.

I only stay on NS because of this region, really. Not only because of a natural loss in interest, but because NS admins and mods seem intent, like just about everybody else in the world lately, to murder their creation with stupid rules and ideologically motivated bullcrap. NS used to be more interesting prior to regional officers, site-enforced ideological purity, other anti-R/D changes, over zealous mods, etc.

Miencraft, Narland, Republic Of Minerva, Auxorii, Rateria, The United States Of Patriots

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I only stay on NS because of this region, really. Not only because of a natural loss in interest, but because NS admins and mods seem intent, like just about everybody else in the world lately, to murder their creation with stupid rules and ideologically motivated bullcrap. NS used to be more interesting prior to regional officers, site-enforced ideological purity, other anti-R/D changes, over zealous mods, etc.

Pretty much summed it up.

Narland, Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:Obviously I was being (somewhat) facetious but the Covid jab is one that I wouldn’t trust. Other more established vaccines (smallpox, mumps, etc) are proven to be safe and effective with decades of use and tests

No problem on this side of the screen.

I have some family in medical care who are strong (and well reasoned) advocates for inoculation. All of them are strongly critical of the current vaccine industry (even pre-Covid-19) because of he industry's sloppy attitude towards human life and health. And I have some family that are anti-vaxxers who believe in weird stuff like fanny packs and avocado flavoured ice cream. But we meet together at family reunions and for the most part get along. We did lose someone to a very bad reaction from a poorly made batch distributed in a part of the globe not known for its modern sanitation, hence the public service announcement.

Rateria

Skaveria wrote:Man I am really drifting away from this site. Came back to a message warning me my nation may cease to exist four days ago.

If you do drift away, please come back for a one last goodbye.

Auxorii, Rateria, Skaveria, New Tampa

Narland wrote:If you do drift away, please come back for a one last goodbye.

I'm gonna try to stick around for a while yet; this region has been a pretty good community for me these past few years.

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Also I was really bummed out when I heard the news about McAfee. It was only a matter of time though.

Narland, Republic Of Minerva

Skaveria wrote:Also I was really bummed out when I heard the news about McAfee. It was only a matter of time though.

Who would have thought prison was a dangerous place for enemies of the elite. It's almost like pre democratic Europe

Narland

Skaveria wrote:I'm gonna try to stick around for a while yet; this region has been a pretty good community for me these past few years.
this region is pretty cool

Narland, Auxorii, Rateria

Miri Islands wrote:Who would have thought prison was a dangerous place for enemies of the elite. It's almost like pre democratic Europe
If the local counties and individual cities had to fully pay for the cost their own criminals there would be quick and real justice reform. Also, methinks that the elite would loose control of the prison systems their machinery of state has its tentacles into. Leftist Europe and Beltwayland USA are hellbent on returning to the feudalism our Founders warned freed us from -- it should be no surprise as the globalists and their political class act more like courtiers of King Louis XVI than responsible productive citizens of their respective societies.

Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:Also I was really bummed out when I heard the news about McAfee. It was only a matter of time though.

It makes me wonder who could be next.

*** Conspiration Alert***

Tucker Carlson has proof that our alphabet soup agencies are spying on him in violation of law. O'Reilly and Dobbs have been removed from Fox for various "reasons." And it looks like the Leftist big guns are trained on Carlson next. If they can't get him removed, how far will they go try to frame him, or Epstein him?

***End Conspiration Alert***

Miri Islands, Anti-Polis

Happy 245th B-Day America!

I pray we make it to our semiquincentennial intact.

What a celebration today. I haven't seen this many people grilling, clogging the streets and launching their own fireworks since 1976.

Auxorii, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands

I dunno why it’s such a bad thing to believe that rich people, police and military personnel, politicians, bureaucrats, etc. should receive extreme punishments for committing crimes, or doing things like:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/06/11/pregnant-woman-car-flipped/?utm_source=agorapulse&utm_campaign=recycled&fbclid=IwAR0ugBKFHKZIcjmlBXNT_laqcZBJb0IpPy3alHoHHulPwqVwVTBtjsB3_oo

The idea that this is legal to do is just stupid.

Narland, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I dunno why it’s such a bad thing to believe that rich people, police and military personnel, politicians, bureaucrats, etc. should receive extreme punishments for committing crimes, or doing things like:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/06/11/pregnant-woman-car-flipped/?utm_source=agorapulse&utm_campaign=recycled&fbclid=IwAR0ugBKFHKZIcjmlBXNT_laqcZBJb0IpPy3alHoHHulPwqVwVTBtjsB3_oo

The idea that this is legal to do is just stupid.

I understand the use of pit maneuvers in extreme circumstances but that was ridiculous

Miencraft, Narland, Rateria

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:I dunno why it’s such a bad thing to believe that rich people, police and military personnel, politicians, bureaucrats, etc. should receive extreme punishments for committing crimes, or doing things like:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/06/11/pregnant-woman-car-flipped/?utm_source=agorapulse&utm_campaign=recycled&fbclid=IwAR0ugBKFHKZIcjmlBXNT_laqcZBJb0IpPy3alHoHHulPwqVwVTBtjsB3_oo

The idea that this is legal to do is just stupid.

Suzi Island wrote:I understand the use of pit maneuvers in extreme circumstances but that was ridiculous

Agreed. Stooopid with three o's.

History reminder --> Who was it in the 40s, 50s and 60s (60s in Idaho) demanding power to pull people over for minor infractions with bubblegum machine lights -- instead of use to clear the road so the police can get to a critical destination quickly?

It was the freaking Statists, mostly in the Democrat party also the Progs in the GOP.

Who was it who kept saying that this would break the social contract and that police need to continue being Peace Officers and only step in when dangerous and continuous reckless driving is observed (like any Citizen has the power and authority to do anyway)?

It was the traditional Conservatives in the GOP and the Civil Libertarians in the Democrat Party (Libertarians didnt exist yet).

Who broke the police so they could demand its defunding?

Statists.

Miri Islands

Narland wrote:Agreed. Stooopid with three o's.

History reminder --> Who was it in the 40s, 50s and 60s (60s in Idaho) demanding power to pull people over for minor infractions with bubblegum machine lights -- instead of use to clear the road so the police can get to a critical destination quickly?

It was the freaking Statists, mostly in the Democrat party also the Progs in the GOP.

Who was it who kept saying that this would break the social contract and that police need to continue being Peace Officers and only step in when dangerous and continuous reckless driving is observed (like any Citizen has the power and authority to do anyway)?

It was the traditional Conservatives in the GOP and the Civil Libertarians in the Democrat Party (Libertarians didnt exist yet).

Who broke the police so they could demand its defunding?

Statists.

Step 1 Defund the police

Step 2 Put in social workers (lol)

Step 3 When that inevitably blows up in their face call in the UN “peacekeepers”

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:Step 1 Defund the police

Step 2 Put in social workers (lol)

Step 3 When that inevitably blows up in their face call in the UN “peacekeepers”

When a Socialist says social worker they always mean Socialist Worker -- forcing their hapless victims into the constraints of their Socialist policies. They never mean enabling others to be self-sufficient and therefore capable of social-societal function, be it Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Maoist China ad nauseum. The last thing any country needs are armed orderlies ala "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" running amok through the welfare agencies.

Narland wrote:When a Socialist says social worker they always mean Socialist Worker -- forcing their hapless victims into the constraints of their Socialist policies. They never mean enabling others to be self-sufficient and therefore capable of social-societal function, be it Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Maoist China ad nauseum. The last thing any country needs are armed orderlies ala "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" running amok through the welfare agencies.

More like soycalist worker amirite?

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:More like soycalist worker amirite?

I like that for the Kascadian and Kalifornia extremists. Soycialist. Kind of rolls of the tongue.

Suzi Island wrote:More like soycalist worker amirite?

My nephew that was in Seattle quit as a studio musician and moved to eastern Washington. The grunge industry must be hurting because they let him out of his contracts with minimal fuss. He makes more money by far as a depot freight director for a trucking outfit. His high point was sitting in with a band opening for Slayer at the Whiskey-A-Go-Go about 15 years ago.

I mentioned on the phone "Soycialist" and he laughed for a good minute and a half. :)

Rateria

Suzi Island wrote:More like soycalist worker amirite?

What is this "soy" you speak of? sounds like something a Русский would trick Murikan farmers into growing so they will be forever in indentured to the Beltway Agri-industrial Complex.

O Joy.

Some of the world's most evil people are meeting in my State. They've made hellholes of their own states and want to come here to pow-wow. Probably discussing how to keep the global serfs from revolting.

[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9762519/Media-tech-moguls-appear-day-one-exclusive-Sun-Valley-billionaire-summer-camp.html[/url]

Miri Islands

Compagnonnage

https://www.ohio.edu/chastain/ac/companon.htm

https://www.museecompagnonnage.fr/en/le-compagnonnage/histoire

Narland wrote:O Joy.

Some of the world's most evil people are meeting in my State. They've made hellholes of their own states and want to come here to pow-wow. Probably discussing how to keep the global serfs from revolting.

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Sun Valley: Because we need something to do before our demented summer camp known as Bohemian Grove

Suzi Island wrote:Sun Valley: Because we need something to do before our demented summer camp known as Bohemian Grove

It is amazing that the lunacy of pre-Canaanite idol worship is extant 3500 years later. It's almost as if there is a spiritual force behind it. :sarcasm emoji:

***misc. ramblings***

It is like a chess game within a chess game within a chess game to the nth degree. Each person thinks he is the grandmaster of his own board with his own king queen, rooks, bishops, knights and pawns to do with others as he wills, unwitting that he is but a piece on the board of a higher power and so on.

***end misc. ramblings***

I don't get how the Democrats can have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the United States is. Democrats have this strange idea that they can just impose federal rule over the entire country and think the Constitution (which they haven't read) just allows them to do this. It's pretty clear the government as envisioned by our founders exists solely to provide for the common defense of the union and regulate interstate commerce, not impose cow fart bills and taxpayer funded abortions. The United States is a FEDERAL republic made up of semi-autonomous states that are free to govern themselves as they see fit. Keep the failed policies in California and New York and don't try to impose them through federal action not explicitly stated in the Constitution to be under the jurisdiction of the federal government. Read the tenth amendment at some point

Miri Islands wrote:I don't get how the Democrats can have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the United States is. Democrats have this strange idea that they can just impose federal rule over the entire country and think the Constitution (which they haven't read) just allows them to do this. It's pretty clear the government as envisioned by our founders exists solely to provide for the common defense of the union and regulate interstate commerce, not impose cow fart bills and taxpayer funded abortions. The United States is a FEDERAL republic made up of semi-autonomous states that are free to govern themselves as they see fit. Keep the failed policies in California and New York and don't try to impose them through federal action not explicitly stated in the Constitution to be under the jurisdiction of the federal government. Read the tenth amendment at some point

They don't misunderstand. They understand what it is, but want to change it. Their use of Constitutional language is always a farce, that is whenever their not openly mocking the constitution.

Then again, I can't really say anything. I think the constitution isn't constrained enough. I dislike it in the other direction. My constitution would just be the NAP copy and pasted, which could be summed up in a single sentence.

I think a lot of Libertarians make this mistake. Our position isn't constitutional. Of course compared to the Democrats and Republicans it's way closer to constitutional, but it's not constitution worship.

The constitution is a Paleo-Conservative document, not a Libertarian one. Now I do believe it's the most robust example of freedom the world has seen thus far, but it's not without faults. It still allows expansion of the state via loopholes, which has happened.

Our only saving grace is it's rigidity when compared to something like British Common Law. Without that, we'd probably look a lot like Europe right now.

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii, Miri Islands

Skaveria wrote:They don't misunderstand. They understand what it is, but want to change it. Their use of Constitutional language is always a farce, that is whenever their not openly mocking the constitution.

Then again, I can't really say anything. I think the constitution isn't constrained enough. I dislike it in the other direction. My constitution would just be the NAP copy and pasted, which could be summed up in a single sentence.

I think a lot of Libertarians make this mistake. Our position isn't constitutional. Of course compared to the Democrats and Republicans it's way closer to constitutional, but it's not constitution worship.

The constitution is a Paleo-Conservative document, not a Libertarian one. Now I do believe it's the most robust example of freedom the world has seen thus far, but it's not without faults. It still allows expansion of the state via loopholes, which has happened.

Our only saving grace is it's rigidity when compared to something like British Common Law. Without that, we'd probably look a lot like Europe right now.

I think radio host Jesse Kelly is most on point with this. We are at war with the leftist forces. It was a mistake to believe they would be like us and live and let live. The leftist wants complete control over every facet of our lives.

Narland, Miri Islands

Well the sc is officially gone off the deep end

Suzi Island wrote:Well the sc is officially gone off the deep end

What did SC do?

Skaveria wrote:They don't misunderstand. They understand what it is, but want to change it. Their use of Constitutional language is always a farce, that is whenever their not openly mocking the constitution.

Then again, I can't really say anything. I think the constitution isn't constrained enough. I dislike it in the other direction. My constitution would just be the NAP copy and pasted, which could be summed up in a single sentence.

I think a lot of Libertarians make this mistake. Our position isn't constitutional. Of course compared to the Democrats and Republicans it's way closer to constitutional, but it's not constitution worship.

The constitution is a Paleo-Conservative document, not a Libertarian one. Now I do believe it's the most robust example of freedom the world has seen thus far, but it's not without faults. It still allows expansion of the state via loopholes, which has happened.

Our only saving grace is it's rigidity when compared to something like British Common Law. Without that, we'd probably look a lot like Europe right now.

It is unfortunate that the most sinister people were (at each step made) the most crafty at subverting the intent of the Constitution away from its aims of protecting the life, liberty and property of the citizenry and has been perverted into allowing an unconstitutional rational administrative state to form in direct violation of the principles of self-government. It is easy to fix each step of the way, but will hard to implement. But I have hope that those of this generation can get the job done to return to free enterprise, full liberty, and civil self-government.

***minor point***

Technically our Federal Constitution is liberally (true liberality) Classical Liberal ontologically (paleo-liberal in its prescribed outcomes -- extreme Liberty and relentless Equality (in application of Law)) and conservatively (retaining) Classical Liberal epistemologically (paleo-conservative in the order the pattern of its reasoning -- inhered rights of self-governing individuals in natural and covenantal/governmental social contract). The problem is most of our Liberals have been shifted into illiberal Leftists who promote Statism after falling for Kantian Existentialism and Hegelian Determinism to nihilistic deconstruction and ultimately succumbing to Marxist "stategery." At least 1/3 to 1/2 of GOP have forgotten what it is that they are conserving (Radical Abolition and Classical Liberalism), or are conserving something other (e.g., familial tradition, whiggery, anti-intellectual "X," corporatism, etc.) which they then try to illiberally prescribe on others. Both parties are near always in control of authoritarians who are a part of an Establishment ruling political class that synergistically work to strengthen the unconstitutional rational administrative state that seeks authoritarian control of the States and the People at all levels.

Anti-Polis

Narland wrote:What did SC do?

The anti-fascist bill that is passing by a huge margin in the sc is ridiculous

"Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a fascist region as any region that identifies as fascist"

Ah yes this floor is made out of floor

Miencraft, Narland, Auxorii

Why is it that the people who are the worst at defining things are the people eager to redefine everything?

Rateria, Anti-Polis

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Why is it that the people who are the worst at defining things are the people eager to redefine everything?

My great-grandparents' generation called it being a half-wit (too stupid to know how ignorant they are) or being a damned-fool (smart enough to have known better but too stupid to care). I am sure there are more correct terms, but my generation wasn't allowed to make such observations as the "powers that be" in control of my education considered it "rude." It seems to have re-emerged to societal consciousness as the Dunning–Kruger Effect.

Auxorii

The United States Of Patriots wrote:Why is it that the people who are the worst at defining things are the people eager to redefine everything?

Is it because we no longer are allowed to publicly cane uncaring fools whose folly (disarray, unintended consequences, ruin) harms others?

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The United States Of Patriots wrote:Why is it that the people who are the worst at defining things are the people eager to redefine everything?

I don't understand it either. I saw an activist on TV get asked a simple question, define racism. He used the word in the definition 4 times. I'm paraphrasing: "racism is racist structures, racist prejudice, racist actions and racist attitudes." Did he define anything? No! The point was that anything could be defined as racism on a whim

Narland, Rateria, Anti-Polis

Miri Islands wrote:I don't understand it either. I saw an activist on TV get asked a simple question, define racism. He used the word in the definition 4 times. I'm paraphrasing: "racism is racist structures, racist prejudice, racist actions and racist attitudes." Did he define anything? No! The point was that anything could be defined as racism on a whim

These crazies think even the roads are raaacist

Narland, Anti-Polis

Suzi Island wrote:These crazies think even the roads are raaacist

But without the government, who will racially prejudice muh roads?

Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Miri Islands, Anti-Polis

Suzi Island wrote:These crazies think even the roads are raaacist

Finally some place where we can agree: cancel roads

Miencraft, Narland, The United States Of Patriots, Anti-Polis

Miri Islands wrote:I don't understand it either. I saw an activist on TV get asked a simple question, define racism. He used the word in the definition 4 times. I'm paraphrasing: "racism is racist structures, racist prejudice, racist actions and racist attitudes." Did he define anything? No! The point was that anything could be defined as racism on a whim
That is how Marxist insurgency works. Get the most unthinking, uncaring, uncouth people and convince them that hate, covetousness, and ruin is a good thing, and then agitate them to burn society to the ground under the directives of a few deceptively charismatic narcissists. Many of them couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag.

Marx narrowed the definition the proletariat to "noble wage slaves," but (since the ancient Greeks/Romans) they were the indigent day laborers who were the lowest class because they were either morally or mentally deficient (this includes not knowing the local language and customs) but had strong backs and a willingness to work. The best they could hope for in ancient days was to (according to one of them (I cannot remember which Greco-Roman philosopher)) said that the best they could hope for was to give their children over to the powers-that-be (in Marx's case the oxymoronic stateless State) to be raised inculcated (assimilated) into a better life.

Marx was so wrong in his understanding of humanity, economics, sociology, and reality, that he thought that a dictatorship of the proletariat (mobbing day laborers) would raise themselves up by their own bootstraps by burning everything to the ground around them. They would incidentally create a stateless (no aristocracy) State and utopia would erupt everywhere. The stupidity is palpable.

Marx's proletariat does not exist in a society of free and open markets. Those who are capable work their way out of poverty. Those who are bereft of good judgment drop from whatever status they had to a fitting level, able to try again with some introspection. Why is it that the greatest proponents of Marxism tend to be self-loathing decadent dilettantes who have been given everything, do not understand the self-satisfaction that comes with honest labor, and do not comprehend what it is to truly have nothing let alone the ramifications of loosing everything? Those that escape the impoverishing chains of Marxism do not want "free" medical care, "free" money, or "free" rent. They want free-dom.

Narland

The proponents of Marxism are self loathing, decadents because Marx himself was a self loathing decadent. Marx never once put in an actual days work, wealthy patrons paid him to whine about how cruel capitalism is while he crashed on rich peoples couches

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:I don't understand it either. I saw an activist on TV get asked a simple question, define racism. He used the word in the definition 4 times. I'm paraphrasing: "racism is racist structures, racist prejudice, racist actions and racist attitudes." Did he define anything? No! The point was that anything could be defined as racism on a whim

Also you can’t define a word using the same word. Really shows the state of our education system

Miencraft, Narland, Miri Islands

Suzi Island wrote:Also you can’t define a word using the same word. Really shows the state of our education system

No kidding, I took critical thinking in college and my professor admitted I was one of his favorite students in a long time as I actually had an understanding of what critical thinking was. Figures I was a contrarian 90% of the time

Narland

Miri Islands wrote:No kidding, I took critical thinking in college and my professor admitted I was one of his favorite students in a long time as I actually had an understanding of what critical thinking was. Figures I was a contrarian 90% of the time

Critical thinking has been replaced by emotional thinking. Many of my peers unfortunately are massive narcissists who believe their feelings are what the world should revolve around

Narland

Suzi Island wrote:Critical thinking has been replaced by emotional thinking. Many of my peers unfortunately are massive narcissists who believe their feelings are what the world should revolve around

That is something that flames every destructive rise to tyranny from within. Emotions are a good thing when tamed and well utilized for good. Emotional thinking isn't really thinking but being thoughtless, and easy to be manipulated by external force (and one can be sure that their superiors are outwitting and outthinking them). Those subject to their emotions cannot be reasoned with because they lost or reject the impetus to think, understand and get their emotions under control. Passion is great when harnessed and horrific when out of control.

Miri Islands wrote:No kidding, I took critical thinking in college and my professor admitted I was one of his favorite students in a long time as I actually had an understanding of what critical thinking was. Figures I was a contrarian 90% of the time

It brings me nearly to tears to watch this happen -- and to know it was out of deliberate disdain for what was great about America in lieu of a lie. Growing up i was confident that when Academia, NEA et al, (60s, 70s, 80s) saw that they were failing (since the 30s, 40s, 50s or whenever they took over tradition education) in their concepts to educate that they would go back to what had outstandingly worked for the last 6000 years. It wasn't until about 5 years ago it dawned on me this was deliberate. Even if I had realized this was deliberate, I don't think many would have been convinced that American ideologues could be so cruel.

The best grammar/elementary schools used to teach the foundations of literacy (reading, writing, and numeracy); the foundations of civility (science, open communication, personal, spiritual and civic virtue -- the basis of civilization itself), logic, reason and rhetoric (the good kind -- needed for thoughtful deliberation and self-government) by 14 years of age. (It did more of course but I am focusing on the academic aspects) The WWI generation (in most of the US) could not graduate the 6th grade and go on to higher education until they mastered the concepts and showed a proficiency in one's understanding. From pubescence people were given the tools to be self-learning, self-interested, and capable (productive) individuals.

Those that needed college (prep school, college proper, and university) were fully equipped to continue their schooling in the arts and sciences uninterrupted with remediation. By the time they were college age their BS Detectors were functional. They were well informed, well reasoned and resistant to blatant indoctrination as one outgrew the indiscretions of youth.

A person couldn't get into college and university unless he proved ready to function at a collegiate level. Now logic is an elective and 20 year olds are functional 5th graders. No logical, reasonable, and rational thought, no civilization.

***I apologize this post is so long. It is a passion of mine to see real education restored to public schooling.***

Miri Islands

Narland wrote:I have been looking for a quote from Thomas Jefferson from an old musty book (it may have been wrongly attributed), that goes along the lines, "If you let people be ruled by their passions and engage in every indulgence they will becomebrute beasts fit only for the slaughterhouse." If anyone knows it, or where it can be found please let me know. Thanks.

Not from Jefferson, but:

“Men and nations will always sell themselves into slavery, to gratify their passions and obtain revenge. The tyrant's plea, necessity, is always available; and the tyrant once in power, the necessity of providing for his safety makes him savage.”

Narland, Anti-Polis

Miri Islands wrote:No kidding, I took critical thinking in college and my professor admitted I was one of his favorite students in a long time as I actually had an understanding of what critical thinking was. Figures I was a contrarian 90% of the time

addenda: Cudos to you for standing on your reasonable convictions. The free flow of information is crucial to both a free and open society and a state of (actual) civilization. Discussing issues and weeding out the true form the false, the real from the fake, and the honesty from the deception.

Helping people to reason and understand is becoming a full time job for everyone who can think on their feet and are apt to teach. I used to hand out college and high school level books (depending on issue and interest) confident they would understand what was written therein. Later we would discuss it over coffee.

Now I usually have to hand out books on how to think and acceptable social behaviour before handing out the other books, supposing they even want to read. Videos from PragerU and FEE are filling the niche.

Suzi Island wrote:Critical thinking has been replaced by emotional thinking. Many of my peers unfortunately are massive narcissists who believe their feelings are what the world should revolve around

addenda: Trying to convince a narcissist that: the truth matters; pride kills; other people and their stuff are not their playthings; and they are their own worse enemies who suffucate (or worse) anyone and break (anything) around them, is a herculean task.

May God help the Cubans. If the State Department's "lack of response" to Hong Kong's cry of help for freedom and self-determination is any indication, the Cubanos are screwed.

Miencraft

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