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Boksburg wrote:If I were to say that I'm halfway between republicanism and anarchy, what would I be dubbed in the modern world?

Depends. Minarchist, perhaps.

per…HAPS!

Also I guess I'll do this then. I RRRG am running for seat 3 under the RLP party.

Pevvania wrote:However, I recommend that someone run against [nation=short]Abaretta[/nation]. He's been very much inactive, having neither participated in a raid nor voting on anything in the past few weeks.

If I may, I would be honored to run for Board Seat #5, under the RLP, though I am extremely new to this region. Is participation in raiding a requirement, though?

Anyhow, I'm very active, so you won't have to worry about me neglecting my duties.

Nope not a requirement to raid. Welcome to the race!

Muh Roads wrote:Nope not a requirement to raid. Welcome to the race!

Great. Thank you very much, for the welcoming! :D

Boksburg wrote:If I were to say that I'm halfway between republicanism and anarchy, what would I be dubbed in the modern world?

How much power do you want the government to have?

Pevvania wrote:[nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation] has been a faithful servant of the region and I strongly recommend his re-election.

Thank you president Pev. I'm happy my work is appreciated!

Muh Roads wrote:How much power do you want the government to have?

I would prefer an administrative republic. I like liaise-fair governments, of course in smaller countries.

The United States Of Zion wrote:Anarchy doesn't work neither does Socialism, Communism, or Fascism

To group all these ideologies together with zero explanation is completely ludicrous. Arguably ANY economic or governing system could work, it just depends on the populace and whether or not they want to be serf farmers. In addtion, I would love to hear why "Anarchy doesn't work" what exactly does the state do that couldn't be provided voluntarily by the market?

Humpheria wrote:Thank you [nation=short]Muh Roads[/nation]! I encourage others make a shot. Just a quick layout: Dec. 9/10th - Dec. 18th(EST) Announcement. Dec. 18th - Dec. 25 Campaign. Dec. 25 - Dec. 28th Election via Telegram to President [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]

How does the "campaign" phase usually go? Will we have any public debates, statement of intent, or anything like that?

The Liberty Front wrote:How does the "campaign" phase usually go? Will we have any public debates, statement of intent, or anything like that?

I was having similar thoughts also

The Liberty Front wrote:How does the "campaign" phase usually go? Will we have any public debates, statement of intent, or anything like that?

We've never really had an election before, aside from the Special Election a month or two ago. I'd very much like to see debates, campaign promises and the like. I'm relying on [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] to organise all of it.

Lack There Of wrote:To group all these ideologies together with zero explanation is completely ludicrous. Arguably ANY economic or governing system could work, it just depends on the populace and whether or not they want to be serf farmers. In addtion, I would love to hear why "Anarchy doesn't work" what exactly does the state do that couldn't be provided voluntarily by the market?

I think it's too simplistic to simply dismiss anarchy because "it wouldn't work". It's never really been tried in a free market context before, and it's far too easy to fall into the Somalia fallacy. At the same time I think it's a little utopian to assume that everything would work perfectly in a state-free extended order. Nevertheless, I'd love to see it tried out.

Boksburg wrote:I would prefer an administrative republic. I like liaise-fair governments, of course in smaller countries.

I was gonna agree with Minarchist until you said in smaller countries. What is your reason for this? Do you think Laissez-Faire will not work in a big country?

I'm not being critical, i promise.. just curiosity.

The Liberty Front wrote:How does the "campaign" phase usually go? Will we have any public debates, statement of intent, or anything like that?

The campaign phase is right before the election where any disputed seat hosts a small debate and candidates may post campaign propaganda and send campaign telegrams. You can do anything that is legal and that you think will help you get elected.

Pevvania wrote: And while I don't always agree with him, [nation=short]Humpheria[/nation] has shown himself to be a competent and driven Board Chairman who is not afraid to voice his opinions.

Thank you for the shout-out Mr. President.

I'm glad to see everyone take such interest in this election, I think it's going to be a good one.

Hey guys, guess who I am:

"We should kill people to stimulate the funeral industry."

I believe anarchy is not a guarantee of perfection and non-rights violation. It's not a guarantee of fairness or safety. However, government IS a GUARANTEE of these things, of theft and violence, and on a massive scale.

Pevvania wrote:Hey guys, guess who I am:

"We should kill people to stimulate the funeral industry."

KRUGMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pevvania wrote:I think it's too simplistic to simply dismiss anarchy because "it wouldn't work". It's never really been tried in a free market context before, and it's far too easy to fall into the Somalia fallacy. At the same time I think it's a little utopian to assume that everything would work perfectly in a state-free extended order. Nevertheless, I'd love to see it tried out.

Here's a well documented example. Times change, humanity doesn't

http://mises.org/daily/1121

Right on. Here are some more brilliant quotes that are sure to give you a chuckle:

"Debt doesn't matter."

"We need to create a housing bubble to replace the Dot-Com Bubble."

"We should be printing more money faster."

"We need a war to end this recession."

This comedian ended up winning a Nobel prize.

Pevvania wrote:Right on. Here are some more brilliant quotes that are sure to give you a chuckle:

"Debt doesn't matter."

"We need to create a housing bubble to replace the Dot-Com Bubble."

"We should be printing more money faster."

"We need a war to end this recession."

This comedian ended up winning a Nobel prize.

I just love me some

KRUGMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

I have been asked to inform the Libertatem populace that Abaretta will NOT seek re-election for the Fifth Seat of the Board. Liberty Front is so far running unopposed.

In order for you to have a thriving capitalist economic system you need a small government that would protect Copyrights, Trademarks, Patents: Intellectual Property. Otherwise, in anarchy no one would want to take the risk to invent because their ideas would just be stolen. Another problem with anarchy is that people wont have time to do what capitalism does best... Specialization. Without government people wouldn't have time to specialize on specific careers because they will be spending too much time trying to meet their own needs to survive and protecting their property 24/7. Now, there is nothing wrong with having a personal/family garden. In fact, I encourage that All people have one. However, if that's ALL they have then they cannot progress in ingenuity and technology. The people within an Anarchist society would be stuck as a purely agricultural nation with limited if any industry.

Muh Roads wrote:I was gonna agree with Minarchist until you said in smaller countries. What is your reason for this? Do you think Laissez-Faire will not work in a big country?

I'm not being critical, i promise.. just curiosity.

I've read of small settlements in South America and Denmark embracing anarchy, but I think in bigger settlements where there's more cultural diversity and poverty a government should take more action to prevent bad things from happening. I would definitely say that such an administration would be much easier achieved with a homogenous population.

The United States Of Zion wrote:In order for you to have a thriving capitalist economic system you need a small government that would protect Copyrights, Trademarks, Patents: Intellectual Property. Otherwise, in anarchy no one would want to take the risk to invent because their ideas would just be stolen. Another problem with anarchy is that people wont have time to do what capitalism does best... Specialization. Without government people wouldn't have time to specialize on specific careers because they will be spending too much time trying to meet their own needs to survive and protecting their property 24/7. Now, there is nothing wrong with having a personal/family garden. In fact, I encourage that All people have one. However, if that's ALL they have then they cannot progress in ingenuity and technology. The people within an Anarchist society would be stuck as a purely agricultural nation with limited if any industry.

These are some very good points, actually. I'm not an expert on IP law, but it would be a significant disincentive to come up with a brilliant idea, only for it to be stolen by someone else. Your point about a focus on protection of property is important too - in the short-term of anarchy, there would be total chaos. People would be fixed in one spot to protect their home. But I think these problems would go away after a time.

Nevertheless, I'm with Henry Hazlitt on the subject of government.

"Necessary policemen, firemen, street cleaners, health officers, judges, legislators and executives perform productive services as important as those of anyone in private industry to function in an atmosphere of law, order, freedom and peace."

The United States Of Zion wrote:In order for you to have a thriving capitalist economic system you need a small government that would protect Copyrights, Trademarks, Patents: Intellectual Property. Otherwise, in anarchy no one would want to take the risk to invent because their ideas would just be stolen. Another problem with anarchy is that people wont have time to do what capitalism does best... Specialization. Without government people wouldn't have time to specialize on specific careers because they will be spending too much time trying to meet their own needs to survive and protecting their property 24/7. Now, there is nothing wrong with having a personal/family garden. In fact, I encourage that All people have one. However, if that's ALL they have then they cannot progress in ingenuity and technology. The people within an Anarchist society would be stuck as a purely agricultural nation with limited if any industry.

The whole idea of copy right laws are absurd. How any one individual can claim to be of a higher level of intelligence than another is beyond me. Copy right laws are essentially claiming that you (the "creator") have thought of something that no one else has ever been capable of thinking. Further more, copy right laws CAN be used as tools of thievery by those who steal ideas, look at the early music industry in America for a good example of that. In addition, copyrights can hold a society back by limiting who can produce what, look to Bessemer steel as an example of such lusciousness.

I am at a complete lack of understanding at your comment regarding specialization and would appreciate a further explanation.

How the state prevents crime I am also uncertain of. Those who would rob and steal will do so regardless of the presscece of a "neutral" police force or not.

Most importantly an Voluntary society would not be purely agrarian. I must apologize if i was not clear enough. Anarcho-Capitalism is the ideology i am furthering here. I believe you might have confused that with Anarcho-Communism/Socialism/Syndicalism, which of course are all oxyrmornical in nature and do lead to a complete break down of industrialized production.

Pevvania wrote:These are some very good points, actually. I'm not an expert on IP law, but it would be a significant disincentive to come up with a brilliant idea, only for it to be stolen by someone else. Your point about a focus on protection of property is important too - in the short-term of anarchy, there would be total chaos. People would be fixed in one spot to protect their home. But I think these problems would go away after a time.

Nevertheless, I'm with Henry Hazlitt on the subject of government.

"Necessary policemen, firemen, street cleaners, health officers, judges, legislators and executives perform productive services as important as those of anyone in private industry to function in an atmosphere of law, order, freedom and peace."

I would have to agree that a sudden and complete absolution of the state would lead to complete and total chaos, which is why a liberty/anarchist themed revolution to overthrow the governing apparatus of a society is a ridiculous notion. A society must be weened of the state slowly over time so that they understand whats happening and that they can function without a state. This most readily explains what i am attempting to say:

I heartily accept the motto,—“That government is best which governs least;” and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe,—“That government is best which governs not at all;” and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient.

—Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

This is an official statement confirming that the Minarchist Republic of Miencraft will be running to maintain the Fourth Seat on the Board, presently under the banner of the Independent party. While I was absent due to unforeseen circumstances for many months, those who will remember my presence before such will recall that I was the Board Chairman, a position under which I served Libertatem faithfully and dutifully, managing to somehow accumulate a couple of WA endorsements, must mean I did something right. To be totally honest, though, I can't remember much about back then anymore. Thusly, for those who do, I promise to serve in exactly the same manner as then (except, of course, in the Fourth seat, not the Chair), and for those who do not, I promise to serve with honor and faith to Libertatem while on the Board.

Miencraft wrote:This is an official statement confirming that the Minarchist Republic of Miencraft will be running to maintain the Fourth Seat on the Board, presently under the banner of the Independent party. While I was absent due to unforeseen circumstances for many months, those who will remember my presence before such will recall that I was the Board Chairman, a position under which I served Libertatem faithfully and dutifully, managing to somehow accumulate a couple of WA endorsements, must mean I did something right. To be totally honest, though, I can't remember much about back then anymore. Thusly, for those who do, I promise to serve in exactly the same manner as then (except, of course, in the Fourth seat, not the Chair), and for those who do not, I promise to serve with honor and faith to Libertatem while on the Board.

Good luck Miencraft!

Glad to see your running for re-election Miencraft & Humpheria! Its been great working with you two.

It's been great living here and just being a part of this, glad to contribute to things.

Also, good luck you two.

Wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

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I don't want to run for a new term on the Board. So far I have been Board Member, Chairman of the Board and Manager of the State in Libertatem. For almost a year I have been part of the government in Libertatem. And I have always enjoyed it. But now, I gave up my seat, so another nation can run for Board Member. Libertatem is a great region and I will still be available to help to the region in any way.

Can we have a page which shows who all is running, for what position, and which political party they aline with cuz right now it's too confusing to make choices... if a web page like that already exsists can you show me where it is?

The United States Of Zion wrote:Can we have a page which shows who all is running, for what position, and which political party they aline with cuz right now it's too confusing to make choices... if a web page like that already exsists can you show me where it is?

Your wish has been granted.

1st seat: Muh Roads RLP

2nd seat: Humpheria RLP

3rd seat: Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes RLP

4th seat: Miencraft Independent

5th seat: The Liberty Front RLP

So far, everyone campaigning runs unchallenged due to drop outs.

It is unfortunate to see Islands bid farewell. He has been a loyal and experienced public servant, who has stuck with Libertatem through thick and thin.

I wish we had more competitive races. We need some more nations running for spots.

Remember we still have seven days for announcements, so don't get to down just yet. And congratulations to the five candidates.

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Anyone heard about the new Congressional budget deal? I heard that "Paul Ryan's master deal" is going to be making $23 billion worth of cuts to the deficit each year. It's pathetic. Paul Ryan is a big disappointment, and as much of a budget hawk as any other Republican. He's the exact type of hypocrite who wants to gut social welfare spending, but makes marginal cuts to corporate subsidies and actually increases military spending. https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1482864_656952301023208_745393534_n.jpg

Rand Paul's budget plan is magic: http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/MASTERBUDGET.pdf

I was disappointed to see defense increases, but it's got some fantastic provisions that Ryan's doesn't even scratch.

Pevvania wrote:Anyone heard about the new Congressional budget deal? I heard that "Paul Ryan's master deal" is going to be making $23 billion worth of cuts to the deficit each year. It's pathetic. Paul Ryan is a big disappointment, and as much of a budget hawk as any other Republican. He's the exact type of hypocrite who wants to gut social welfare spending, but makes marginal cuts to corporate subsidies and actually increases military spending. https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1482864_656952301023208_745393534_n.jpg

Rand Paul's budget plan is magic: http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/MASTERBUDGET.pdf

I was disappointed to see defense increases, but it's got some fantastic provisions that Ryan's doesn't even scratch.

Welcome to American politics, where "compromise" is worshiped and mediocrity is strived after.

Lack There Of wrote:Welcome to American politics, where "compromise" is worshipped and mediocrity is strived after.

Speaking from a British perspective, America probably has a better democratic system. We've got an effectively unicameral legislature that allows the governing party to do literally whatever it wants. This has served us very well recently, as we're still in the post-Thatcher years, but it won't be so nice when a hardcore socialist gets into power. America's bicameral system affords quite a few checks and balances to make sure no party gets too much power.

I think in this political climate compromise would be a good thing. But both parties are so stubborn and ignorant that they hardly ever get anywhere.

Pevvania wrote:Anyone heard about the new Congressional budget deal? I heard that "Paul Ryan's master deal" is going to be making $23 billion worth of cuts to the deficit each year. It's pathetic. Paul Ryan is a big disappointment, and as much of a budget hawk as any other Republican. He's the exact type of hypocrite who wants to gut social welfare spending, but makes marginal cuts to corporate subsidies and actually increases military spending. https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1482864_656952301023208_745393534_n.jpg

Rand Paul's budget plan is magic: http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/MASTERBUDGET.pdf

I was disappointed to see defense increases, but it's got some fantastic provisions that Ryan's doesn't even scratch.

Rand Paul is a Wizard, sir.

I sure hope he runs in 2016.

I'm by no means an expert on British politics, or the governing apparatus of the isles. I was thinking about the whole system and I realized if I didn't even know if there is an English constitution. Can anyone answer this?

Lack There Of wrote:I'm by no means an expert on British politics, or the governing apparatus of the isles. I was thinking about the whole system and I realized if I didn't even know if there is an English constitution. Can anyone answer this?

There ISN'T a British Constitution, which is damn scary. It's uncodified, meaning that there isn't a solid constitution. Instead, constitutional law is made up of thousands of tidbits of information from various pieces of legislation. This basically means the government has a blank cheque to do what it wants.

It's unfortunate to see so many parties become defunct. The Libertarian Socialists, the Democratic Republicans and the Green Peace Democrats are all leaderless. The Fascist Party has only one member and is inactive in political affairs. I'm not encouraging partisanship, but it'd be nice to see party activities come back again.

New article in The Liberty Gazette!

I would not be opposed to starting a (or restarting i guess) minarchist party, but between the RLP and the LP i just didn't see the need.

I thought about forming a party called "The International Liberty Front," but I fear it would probably be very similar to RLP, but with a little bit of a NatSov gameplay ideology.

Hhmmm... Would it be a good idea to form such a party?

My political views match well with RLP's, but no parties have a gameplay ideology. If I were to form a party, it would be NatSov, which is anti-World Assembly. We'd encourage member nation to submit GA repeals, campaign for other people's repeals, etc. in order to preserve our nations' right to self-determination.

I don't like the name, but a WA-focused party sounds interesting.

What about The National Sovereigntist Party (NatSov Party)?

I am starting to find the idea of creating a party more appealing. :D

The Liberty Front wrote:What about The National Sovereigntist Party (NatSov Party)?

That's not too bad. If you're pushing national sovereignty, I'd recommend getting involved in our RP affairs. You'd have a bone to pick with Blahbania -- he's conquered nearly all of Europe and Asia, and is attempting to annex Africa.

It seems that anywhere you go there will always be a two-party system.

Pevvania wrote:That's not too bad. If you're pushing national sovereignty, I'd recommend getting involved in our RP affairs.

Maybe I will :) ..... As soon as I'm done with finals and this damn research paper. :'(

The Liberty Front wrote:Hhmmm... Would it be a good idea to form such a party?

My political views match well with RLP's, but no parties have a gameplay ideology. If I were to form a party, it would be NatSov, which is anti-World Assembly. We'd encourage member nation to submit GA repeals, campaign for other people's repeals, etc. in order to preserve our nations' right to self-determination.

In doing so you'd have to ensure the party members who are going about submitting the proposals do indeed have the 2 endorsement minimum to do so.

Just ensuring you knew this.

Pevvania wrote:That's not too bad. If you're pushing national sovereignty, I'd recommend getting involved in our RP affairs. You'd have a bone to pick with Blahbania -- he's conquered nearly all of Europe and Asia, and is attempting to annex Africa.

South Africa cannot possibly be liberated anymore than what i have provided. xD

Miencraft wrote:In doing so you'd have to ensure the party members who are going about submitting the proposals do indeed have the 2 endorsement minimum to do so.

Just ensuring you knew this.

Yeah, I know. Thanks, though. If you're wondering, I do have a WA, with which I can submit proposals (The New United States). I've never done it before, but I'm going to submit one to the GA forum this weekend, and I'll see how that goes.

The Liberty Front wrote:Yeah, I know. Thanks, though. If you're wondering, I do have a WA, with which I can submit proposals (The New United States). I've never done it before, but I'm going to submit one to the GA forum this weekend, and I'll see how that goes.

Just a tip... post a draft in the forums first. People go nuts when you just submit something.. lol

I just posted a reply on something. People are going crazy.

Muh Roads wrote:Just a tip... post a draft in the forums first. People go nuts when you just submit something.. lol

Yeah. If you read my post one more time, you'll see that I said I'm submitting one to "the GA forum." ;)

I very much appreciate your intentions, however. :)

The Liberty Front wrote:Yeah. If you read my post one more time, you'll see that I said I'm submitting one to "the GA forum." ;)

Blah its late for me sorry! Lol

Who's got the most up-to-date map?

I think blahbania during the Africa RP...?

Muh Roads wrote:I think blahbania during the Africa RP...?

Nevertheless, the map needs an update.

This is amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc

Pevvania wrote:Nevertheless, the map needs an update.

This is amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc

That was awesome.. lol

If I can get a complete list of all the nations who have a claim on te map then the new map will be online by saturday.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/bang-payday-for-man-suing-cops-over-guns/

Good for this man..

I feel like this is a huge Regional Alliance but at the same time I only see the same 10 people comment are we the only ones that play this game? I mostly just play this game for the Issue desision making and seeing how it would effect a country

Pevvania wrote:Nevertheless, the map needs an update.

This is amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc

One of the best things i have ever seen

I was looking at our current line-up and we still only have one candidate per seat. I urge other nations in the region to run, lest this race be boring.

There is a variety of people that post and participate USZ, but given the month I'd say things might be a little slower. We've had quite a few come and go as well. But not everyone participates in the RMB either. Look back you'll see some variety. :P

Humpheria wrote:I was looking at our current line-up and we still only have one candidate per seat. I urge other nations in the region to run, lest this race be boring.

I agree, was looking forward to the debates. Maybe make an updated announcement for what's going on?

It should be in the news section too I think, Pev.

1st seat: Muh Roads RLP

2nd seat: Humpheria RLP

3rd seat: Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes RLP

4th seat: Miencraft Independent

5th seat: Liberty Front RLP

This is the official progress of the election and we can take five more candidates.

Muh Roads wrote:http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/bang-payday-for-man-suing-cops-over-guns/

Good for this man..

That's brill. Police powers have expanded massively over the years, and you get so many incompetent cops with no knowledge whatsoever of the law.

Speaking of downtime, I will be off for a week starting December 21, I'm going to visit family in Tennessee.. and they are way back in the sticks where internet is powered by a hamster in a wheel. So if any important legislation comes to vote, You can assume my vote will go to the RLPs majority if that is what you wish to do, otherwise, message me before then and I'll gladly give you a way to contact me.

Muh Roads wrote:Speaking of downtime, I will be off for a week starting December 21, I'm going to visit family in Tennessee.. and they are way back in the sticks where internet is powered by a hamster in a wheel. So if any important legislation comes to vote, You can assume my vote will go to the RLPs majority if that is what you wish to do, otherwise, message me before then and I'll gladly give you a way to contact me.

I too am going away. To Canada, specifically. On the day I leave I'll be enacting a password to keep the region safe. I'll try to check in every few days, but I'm unsure as to how often I'll be able to go on.

The Presidential Election will go on as planned.

Humpheria wrote:I was looking at our current line-up and we still only have one candidate per seat. I urge other nations in the region to run, lest this race be boring.

I condone you for your use of the word "lest." Such culture. Many language. Very English.

So what are our thoughts on Uruguay fully legalising marijuana? I think it's great. Less violent crime for everybody.

That's fantastic.

That is all.

Pevvania wrote:So what are our thoughts on Uruguay fully legalising marijuana? I think it's great. Less violent crime for everybody.

Well as long as there are certain limits on who can smoke it and where they can do so, it's awesome. :)

Jordinwland wrote:Well as long as there are certain limits on who can smoke it and where they can do so, it's awesome. :)

I think it's stupid.

Pevvania wrote:So what are our thoughts on Uruguay fully legalising marijuana? I think it's great. Less violent crime for everybody.

Now for the US... Lol

Your allies UCR, they are invading the United Kingdom and they need help... Please send some...

Islands wrote:If I can get a complete list of all the nations who have a claim on te map then the new map will be online by saturday.

So no one has a complete list of all the claims on the map I guess?

Islands wrote:So no one has a complete list of all the claims on the map I guess?

I'll do what i can to help you here...

working off of this map: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=blahbania/detail=factbook/id=182540

You can see the new claims.. i have south africa aswell (its kinda hard to see)

ISA moved to IRU so he can be removed.

Same with Jasmine, although her puppets here.. up to you if you keep that claim.

The justin empire moved.

Jordinwland wrote:Well as long as there are certain limits on who can smoke it and where they can do so, it's awesome. :)

Those limits generally aren't going to work, though, people are still gonna go out, buy pot, and smoke it even if they're not supposed to.

It's kind of like the US prohibition of alcohol way back when. Once the stuff because legal again, you had way less of that mob activity, thus less violent crime and less black market activity.

I think they meant limits akin to smoking tobacco, which is luckily not necessary; marijuana has fewer (some, but still fewer) health risks than tobacco...and that's not counting all the other things they put in cigarettes.

Is anyone up to invade a communist region?

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Alchandria wrote:Is anyone up to invade a communist region?

If you can organise it then go ahead. I'm done for the Christmas period.

Well I had a damn fine birthday :)

I'd like to ask you fellas about abortion. I hear some people telling me that being pro-choice is inherently libertarian, but I disagree. It violates the nonaggression principle as it forfeits the right to life of every human being. I don't know how scientifically valid it is to claim that life begins at conception, but surely a living, breathing being should be considered human despite having not seen sunlight?

I am personally pro-choice.

I feel that a fetus does not have a free will to violate, so it isn't technically violence.

You know, except the free will to decide which side of the amniotic sac to float around in.

A fair point, but consider that such beings have the imminent potential to exercise free will; they have but to be born to do so. Denying someone a future is wrong, even more so when there's nothing the denied can do to stop it.

Pevvania wrote:Well I had a damn fine birthday :)

I'd like to ask you fellas about abortion. I hear some people telling me that being pro-choice is inherently libertarian, but I disagree. It violates the nonaggression principle as it forfeits the right to life of every human being. I don't know how scientifically valid it is to claim that life begins at conception, but surely a living, breathing being should be considered human despite having not seen sunlight?

Exactly. That people think that abortion is a right is something that has always confused me.

Pevvania wrote:Well I had a damn fine birthday :)

I'd like to ask you fellas about abortion. I hear some people telling me that being pro-choice is inherently libertarian, but I disagree. It violates the nonaggression principle as it forfeits the right to life of every human being. I don't know how scientifically valid it is to claim that life begins at conception, but surely a living, breathing being should be considered human despite having not seen sunlight?

Congrats on not diying for another 365.25 days!

Abortion is a tricky subject for Libtards and Anbags. The "who's rights are more important" is a dangerous game. Laws that are anti-abortion are administered at the end of a gun, just like any other law. This, of course, is sickening. Those who claim that a pro-life stance is far more libertarian than pro -choice should probably do some research on what classical-liberalism really is.

That being said, i find abortion to be a horrific act and I am uncertain how anyone could ever go through with that. But I must stress the way to stop abortion is not through laws and the use of force, but rather through education and publicity on the subject.

Pevvania wrote:Well I had a damn fine birthday :)

I'd like to ask you fellas about abortion. I hear some people telling me that being pro-choice is inherently libertarian, but I disagree. It violates the nonaggression principle as it forfeits the right to life of every human being. I don't know how scientifically valid it is to claim that life begins at conception, but surely a living, breathing being should be considered human despite having not seen sunlight?

Happy belated Pev!

I think i might take a different stance on this.. I believe that if the baby is going to be born with a life threatening disability or defect that would effect quality of life in a terrible way then it could be justified. Otherwise I'm pro-life, not by any religious stance, i just feel that it is the moral thing to do.

And then there's the whole thing with "what if she was raped?"

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