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That's enough internet for minervia for tonight. Someone get him a cab

Jambion wrote:At the risk of sounding rude, he could have stuck around or at least given more notice. But I don't know the whole story, so I can't really talk. I just don't think someone who abandoned you should be honored.

at the risk of sounding rude, note i have no idea who you are so my apologies if this has already been explained, what i see is a brand new puppet coming in the region after a series of devastating attacks on the left, which i assume validate some type of response, making inflammatory remarks on an emotionally charged issue for the region. BTW, i never caught the name of your main nation.

Jambion is not a puppet as far as I know. He is a new almost citizen.

Lack There Of wrote:at the risk of sounding rude, note i have no idea who you are so my apologies if this has already been explained, what i see is a brand new puppet coming in the region after a series of devastating attacks on the left, which i assume validate some type of response, making inflammatory remarks on an emotionally charged issue for the region. BTW, i never caught the name of your main nation.

I am not intentionally being inflammatory, I just feel like it is a frivolous practice.

A few people were playing this in my Government class, so I joined and got a message from Humpheria to come join, so I did. The first message I got was to join a place based off of Europe, but it seemed too.... European (being facetious). I'm sorry if I have offended you.

Jambion wrote:I'm sorry if I have offended you.

That's fine. I think you should just settle in and get better accustomed with the region and its members while you wait for your citizenship.

In order to better understand how we do things, I recommend you read our Constitution and Laws:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/dcategory=1

Funkytopia wrote:That's fine. I think you should just settle in and get better accustomed with the region and its members while you wait for your citizenship.

In order to better understand how we do things, I recommend you read our Constitution and Laws:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_law_of_libertatem/detail=factbook/dcategory=1

Thank you!

Muh Roads wrote:Mahogany

Get out

The Amarican Empire wrote:Would you change the goddam news already mien. That is old news :p

I don't know if you've noticed, but I don't have access to regional controls yet.

Go yell at Lib.

Jambion wrote:At the risk of sounding rude, he could have stuck around or at least given more notice. But I don't know the whole story, so I can't really talk. I just don't think someone who abandoned you should be honored.

As someone who was until three days ago his Vice-President who was only informed the day before he left, I can say he probably had no prior notice and had to leave immediately.

Do remember that there's a magical thing called the "real world" (whatever that is) that has a great influence on how people play this game, and it's likely that there was a very urgent issue that he needed to address.

Besides the fact that the way he left office shouldn't be used to just completely ignore of all the other things he did.

Sometimes, I want to eat people.

From a recent WA proposal that had the nerve to notify me about itself,

"With the following motion asking that can be possibly approve every country in the world indipendently of the region of appartenence, provided that it is member of the world assembly, in order to promote cultural exchanges."

That's the entire proposal.

Good thing there are people that get rid of this garbage.

Miencraft wrote:As someone who was until three days ago his Vice-President who was only informed the day before he left, I can say he probably had no prior notice and had to leave immediately.

Do remember that there's a magical thing called the "real world" (whatever that is) that has a great influence on how people play this game, and it's likely that there was a very urgent issue that he needed to address.

Besides the fact that the way he left office shouldn't be used to just completely ignore of all the other things he did.

Still seems like he didn't really need to quit NS. It's not like he can't access the internet anywhere in the world, with a smartphone or a computer.

Miencraft wrote:Sometimes, I want to eat people.

From a recent WA proposal that had the nerve to notify me about itself,

"With the following motion asking that can be possibly approve every country in the world indipendently of the region of appartenence, provided that it is member of the world assembly, in order to promote cultural exchanges."

That's the entire proposal.

Good thing there are people that get rid of this garbage.

Best Proposal I've seen since the last one I tried doing. My god I sucked on the last one I entered. I thought SC was a RP thing and not a Gameplay thing.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Still seems like he didn't really need to quit NS. It's not like he can't access the internet anywhere in the world, with a smartphone or a computer.

But we just really don't know. Humph wanted to be president for at least a year, but his term got cut short to a month. Why? I don't know. But it was obviously for a reason good enough to tear him away from the internet for at least a while.

"Some of these people have endured terrible hardships to reach our borders," says International Red Cross spokesperson Daniel Mombota. "We must welcome these unfortunates with open arms. Let the world see that North Korea-chan does not turn its back on those in need!"

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

YAY! I am so happy everyone wants to move to North Korea! I will annex everyone with love and niceness!

If only the real North Korea could practice love and niceness. Lol

Heh, sounds like something from Get Smart:

If only North Korea would have used their dictatorial regime for niceness, instead of rottenness.

22 hours ago: Following new legislation in North Korea-chan, the military invades any neighboring nation with the gall to criticize its policies.

I think I am the real North Korea..

Speaking of, it looks like the "Condemn North Korea" DC proposal will pass :)

YAY! You guys should condemn Iwaku next.. or at least my main nation.. I've not done anything evil enough to get condemned but I am trying my best!

I kinda want to try sending a world wide recruitment telegram again. That will get me condemnation for sure! I just don't know if you are allowed to do it twice.. It has been almost a year since I did that.. A lot of those nations from last year have CTE and replaced with new ones.. I'd get so many members and create chaos all over the world. Nothing but profit!

All I have to do is find a nice mod to ask if it is ok.. and wait till I have the extra money.. I am a bit in a deficit right now.. We needed a new garage door before Winter. I might can work the budget out for a second super spam... I'd only need 120 dollars or so..

Condemnation of [region=North Korea] has passed. Congratulations and thanks to [nation=Republic of Minerva] for spearheading this action.

The Norks can bluster about how they "will wear this badge with pride," but the greater community of nations has shown that there is no place in the civilized world for totalitarian aggression. This condemnation could not have passed without the approval of magnitudes of reasonable left-wing nations and this proves that we have a diverse group of partners in fighting for liberty and genuine democracy.

Pevvania wrote:But we just really don't know. Humph wanted to be president for at least a year, but his term got cut short to a month. Why? I don't know. But it was obviously for a reason good enough to tear him away from the internet for at least a while.

Yeah I mean, obviously but if he claims he's never going to get back on ever because of this mystery event, he probably could have at least told us what it actually was instead of leaving us hanging like this. Seems weird.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Yeah I mean, obviously but if he claims he's never going to get back on ever because of this mystery event, he probably could have at least told us what it actually was instead of leaving us hanging like this. Seems weird.

Maybe he became a secret agent and he would've had to kill us he he told? ;-)

North Korea-Chan wrote:"Some of these people have endured terrible hardships to reach our borders," says International Red Cross spokesperson Daniel Mombota. "We must welcome these unfortunates with open arms. Let the world see that North Korea-chan does not turn its back on those in need!"

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

YAY! I am so happy everyone wants to move to North Korea! I will annex everyone with love and niceness!

"Some of these people have endured terrible hardships to reach our borders," says International Red Cross spokesperson Freddy Cruz. "We must welcome these unfortunates with open arms. Let the world see that Ronald Reagan and Rick Grimes does not turn its back on those in need!"

I got the same one today

31 minutes ago: North Korea-chan was reclassified from "Corrupt Dictatorship" to "Psychotic Dictatorship".

31 minutes ago: Following new legislation in North Korea-chan, the military has quashed a recent coup attempt.

31 minutes ago: Following new legislation in North Korea-chan, the nation has opened its arms to an influx of refugees.

WAT.. this is 140 percent rigged..

North Korea-Chan wrote:31 minutes ago: North Korea-chan was reclassified from "Corrupt Dictatorship" to "Psychotic Dictatorship".

31 minutes ago: Following new legislation in North Korea-chan, the military has quashed a recent coup attempt.

31 minutes ago: Following new legislation in North Korea-chan, the nation has opened its arms to an influx of refugees.

WAT.. this is 140 percent rigged..

topkek

Somebody accept all the embassies we have lined up =x

Condemn North Korea has passed! :)

I wonder what the NKs reaction will be.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Condemn North Korea has passed! :)

I wonder what the NKs reaction will be.

Accepting its inevitability, they've pretended to wear it as a badge of honour, despite their attempts to block its passage. Good for them. Now they can join the other imperialist regions, such as The Black Riders and The Greater German Reich, that have also been diplomatically punished for preying on the weak.

The condemnation has only just passed and people are already trying to repeal it.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Somebody accept all the embassies we have lined up =x

LIIIIIIIBBB

The Facebook page "Unbiased America" calculated that replacing all anti-poverty and welfare programs with a negative income tax would mean actual poverty reduction and an enormous decrease in government spending.

[B]The United States spends nearly a trillion dollars every single year on anti-poverty programs. That's $87,000 per family of four in poverty. And yet 47 million remain in poverty?

We could END poverty AND balance the budget if we:

1. Replaced all 126 federal anti-poverty programs and all state anti-poverty programs with a simple cash payment to those in poverty;

2. And if we stopped giving welfare to people not in poverty.

Here's the math:

Save $668 billion by ending all federal welfare programs.

Save $284 billion by ending all state welfare programs.

TOTAL SAVINGS: $952 Billion

Cost $680 billion to end the federal budget deficit.

Cost $28 billion to end state budget shortfalls.

Cost $170 billion to lift everybody out of poverty:

9,497,000 families in poverty, averaging $9,576 below the poverty line;

12,416,000 other individuals in poverty, averaging $6,401 below the poverty line;

$90,943,272,000 to bring all families above poverty;

$79,474,816,000 to bring all individuals above poverty;

$170,418,088,000 to BRING ALL AMERICANS ABOVE THE POVERTY LEVEL.

TOTAL COST: $878 Billion

NET SAVINGS: $74 Billion.

This isn't meant to endorse such a course of action, but instead to show how utterly inept government is at reducing poverty. Nearly a trillion dollars spent every single year, and yet 47 million remain in poverty?! Either our definition of poverty is completely wrong, or the government is really, REALLY inept at ending poverty.

SOURCES:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p60-243.pdf

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/threshld/thresh11.xls

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2011/table3.pdf

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/infographics/2012/10/special-welfare-spending-2012_HIGHRES.jpg

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA694.pdf[/B]

"Bobby Jindal proposes rebuilding America's defense by anchoring US defense spending, at minimum at 4% of GDP"

$672 billion a year spent on defense? How about no

Pevvania wrote:Accepting its inevitability, they've pretended to wear it as a badge of honour, despite their attempts to block its passage. Good for them. Now they can join the other imperialist regions, such as The Black Riders and The Greater German Reich, that have also been diplomatically punished for preying on the weak.

YYAAAY! I am on good terms with The GGR and The Black Riders are fun to play with! Now if only NK would let me play with them..

North Korea-Chan wrote:YYAAAY! I am on good terms with The GGR and The Black Riders are fun to play with! Now if only NK would let me play with them..

I tried to read the GGR RMB, but I just can't.

Teach me, O great Korea of most Northern position.

Post self-deleted by Miencraft.

$500 Billion should be the max defense spending in times of Pease or in a small war like wars on terrorists a 700 Billion a year limit on world or large scale wars.

Pevvania wrote:The Facebook page "Unbiased America" calculated that replacing all anti-poverty and welfare programs with a negative income tax would mean actual poverty reduction and an enormous decrease in government spending.

That really would be the lesser of two evils- the worst part of big government is in the half-measures. If your aim is to redistribute wealth, then just redistribute the damn wealth as efficiently as possible. It would cut out a lot of bureaucracy, opportunities for fraud, and simplify things quite a bit.

Pevvania wrote:Accepting its inevitability, they've pretended to wear it as a badge of honour, despite their attempts to block its passage. Good for them. Now they can join the other imperialist regions, such as The Black Riders and The Greater German Reich, that have also been diplomatically punished for preying on the weak.

But they claim they are not imperialist or warmongering

Northern Prussia wrote:But they claim they are not imperialist or warmongering

People can claim alot of things. I could claim that Obama is the best president ever (which he is not) but that does not mean it's true.

The Amarican Empire wrote:$500 Billion should be the max defense spending in times of Pease or in a small war like wars on terrorists a 700 Billion a year limit on world or large scale wars.

That's not far off from what it has been in the last decade.

http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/fy2014/FY2014_Budget_Request_Overview_Book.pdf

Northern Prussia wrote:But they claim they are not imperialist or warmongering

[region=The Black Riders] are pretty much just trolls and don't really accomplish much other than general disruption of the game. [region=The Greater German Reich] are nazis- 'nuff said.

"Um... Nazis are baaad, m'kay?"

Now that I've got RC, I'll be taking radio requests.

Funkytopia wrote:That really would be the lesser of two evils- the worst part of big government is in the half-measures. If your aim is to redistribute wealth, then just redistribute the damn wealth as efficiently as possible. It would cut out a lot of bureaucracy, opportunities for fraud, and simplify things quite a bit.

Indeed. Poverty should be eliminated as quickly as possible, which could also be done by deregulation, so we can cut spending to the ground.

Northern Prussia wrote:But they claim they are not imperialist or warmongering

So did the USSR.

The Amarican Empire wrote:$500 Billion should be the max defense spending in times of Pease or in a small war like wars on terrorists a 700 Billion a year limit on world or large scale wars.

The US should restore defense spending to 1997 levels.

Ya pev your right I was being a bit to generous in spending 350 Billion is enough.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Ya pev your right I was being a bit to generous in spending 350 Billion is enough.

300 Billion.

Depends on what site you are using

http://www.davemanuel.com/2010/06/14/us-military-spending-over-the-years/

The Amarican Empire wrote:http://www.davemanuel.com/2010/06/14/us-military-spending-over-the-years/

No I mean 300 Billion like the 1964(?) spending.

O I thought you were trying to correct my 1997 number

The Amarican Empire wrote:Ya pev your right I was being a bit to generous in spending 350 Billion is enough.

The Amarican Empire wrote:O I thought you were trying to correct my 1997 number

$350 Billion in 1997 dollars actually comes out to a little over $500 Billion today.

Yes we know our currency is going to collapse one day. What would everyone's solution to that? Duel currencies state and federal, silver standard would be mine

The Amarican Empire wrote:Yes we know our currency is going to collapse one day. What would everyone's solution to that? Duel currencies state and federal, silver standard would be mine

Revert back to gold/silver base and then just work with it from there.

Also, fun fact, the currency of Miencraft is based in silver.

Silver would be better then gold just because deflation would not be that bad. A state currency would be security against a federal dollar collapse.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Silver would be better then gold just because deflation would not be that bad. A state currency would be security against a federal dollar collapse.

Eh, sure, but I'm not so sure about the decentralized currency thing. Way I see it, might just end up causing more problems than it's worth.

Also, I think I have some banknotes lying around that represent dollars in silver. Wonder what I did with them.

No a duel currency. A state and federal currency. That way the liberals can be happy and the conservatives can be happy.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2xdogUlgfI

The Amarican Empire wrote:No a duel currency. A state and federal currency. That way the liberals can be happy and the conservatives can be happy.

The state part would be the decentralized part that I have no idea about how it would work.

And, after watching that, now I have an idea about how it would work.

Still think it'd end up being a bad idea eventually though.

You would put state and private debt and instate trade in your state dollar and interstate trade and federal debt in USD.

The Amarican Empire wrote:You would put state and private debt and instate trade in your state dollar and interstate trade and federal debt in USD.

Well, yeah, I get that, but what I'm getting out of that is that the local currency would be backed by the federal dollar anyways, which kind of invalidates the entire purpose of having a local currency in the first place.

Unless, of course, you make everything based on precious metals, but then you also have to consider the reasons for why we used to have local currencies but don't anymore.

To keep the libruls happy, keep the state currency, but allow people to trade and pay others in another currency with a small additional tax to every transaction (instead of forcing it to the black market)

Eventually, the superiority of those currencies will make the fiat currency redundant (and worthless). Then we Libertarians can laugh in their faces and repeal the tax.

Some states would choose precious metals some would choose fiat and the feds would choose for their currency. If one state makes a mistake it would not affect another 8 terms of currency as much as it does now. Making a great depression less likely to reoccur.

Hindering trade in the proccess

Republic Of Minerva wrote:then we Libertarians can laugh in their faces and [B]repeal the tax.[/B]

I'm laughing right now

Miencraft wrote:Well, yeah, I get that, but what I'm getting out of that is that the local currency would be backed by the federal dollar anyways, which kind of invalidates the entire purpose of having a local currency in the first place.

Unless, of course, you make everything based on precious metals, but then you also have to consider the reasons for why we used to have local currencies but don't anymore.

I think the easiest thing that could be done almost immediately is to slowly start raising interest rates. Schedule increases according to a long-term timetable, so the business community knows what to expect and build confidence in the economy. Once the rate reaches a reasonable rate (~5% savings), keep it there and stop lowering it every time the economy has a case of hiccups.

Inflation would begin dropping almost immediately, which would give everyone a lot more buying power. There would be a temporary slowdown in investments, which is just something we would have to deal with. But most importantly, people would start learning to save again. A population that is careful with its own money is more likely to support more responsible spending by government.

Less than an hour left and the Norks' condemnation of us has barely half the number of approvals needed.

We should have a countdown party... I'm drinking- who's buying? ;)

Funkytopia wrote:Less than an hour left and the Norks' condemnation of us has barely half the number of approvals needed.

We should have a countdown party... I'm drinking- who's buying? ;)

nah man, I dont smoke

Funkytopia wrote:Less than an hour left and the Norks' condemnation of us has barely half the number of approvals needed.

We should have a countdown party... I'm drinking- who's buying? ;)

(looks in wallet, shakes head)

"Condemn Libertatem - Status: Lacking Support (requires 28 more approvals)"

I believe this makes the score:

Libertatem - 3

Norks/ DK - 0

Lack There Of wrote:nah man, I dont smoke

I still don't understand this response.

Muh Roads wrote:I still don't understand this response.

bruh, if i wear a man of vice you can rest assured my first bad habit would be that of smoking

12 minutes ago: The Federation of Godisdead ceased to exist.

Godisdead is dead.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:12 minutes ago: The Federation of Godisdead ceased to exist.

Godisdead is dead.

to say he will be a missed would be a blatant misrepresentation of the truth

Republic Of Minerva wrote:12 minutes ago: The Federation of Godisdead ceased to exist.

Godisdead is dead.

Crap... Anyone know what happened to him?

21 minutes ago: The Federation of Godisdead ceased to exist.

ooops.. I annex helpless nation.. it was accident!

Funkytopia wrote:Crap... Anyone know what happened to him?

I believe both the wonder twins left due to their strenuous real world obligations revolving around their high school marching band.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:12 minutes ago: The Federation of Godisdead ceased to exist.

Godisdead is dead.

That's incredibly offensive.

Jambion wrote:That's incredibly offensive.

Which one:

Godisdead?

Godisdead is dead?

Godisdead is dead is dead?

hmm...

//initialize infinite loop

string.godisdead = 0

while n >=0

string.godisdead = string.godisdead + string.isdead

end

Output: Godisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdead...

Funkytopia wrote:Which one:

Godisdead?

Godisdead is dead?

Godisdead is dead is dead?

hmm...

//initialize infinite loop

string.godisdead = 0

while n >=0

string.godisdead = string.godisdead + string.isdead

end

Output: Godisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdeadisdead...

God isn't dead.

Jambion wrote:God isn't dead.

There's a movie for that

It was a silly name for an atheist to choose, because asserting that God is dead is conceding that He was ever alive in the first place. Derp.

Man, I was hoping I'd never have to take GID off the map.

And now that that's done, that empty space on the map should be filled in.

Any citizens that do not have a spot on the map are thus encouraged to get one.

"God is dead" is also apart of The Crubical, where it more or less makes sense in the context.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/child-passes-250-packets-heroin-daycare-thinking-candy/#axzz3FSalOIte

Checkmate, libertarians

Empty spot on a map? *winders if can have it*

Have any of you read the origin of "God is dead" as Nietzsche put it forth?

Can I have Canada and America?

Hey guys It's Hallo/Baph.

Freudteilung wrote:Hey guys It's Hallo/Baph.

Who?

Jambion wrote:Can I have Canada and America?

Can I have everyone? I promise I will be very nice and keep you all safe in a basket! I am not scary dictator!

North Korea-Chan wrote:Can I have everyone? I promise I will be very nice and keep you all safe in a basket! I am not scary dictator!

No.

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