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I kid, of course.

Does it need a hammer a sickle or fifteen?

Well...I guess. Time's up. I'm be leaving to a region that likes me until I am pardoned (If I am.)

Bye-Bye

Albenia wrote:Well...I guess. Time's up. I'm be leaving to a region that likes me until I am pardoned (If I am.)

Bye-Bye

Join the Coalition of Governmen...

Not supposed to recruit people, right.

Nvm :P

Albenia wrote:Well...I guess. Time's up. I'm be leaving to a region that likes me until I am pardoned (If I am.)

Bye-Bye

Noooooo stayyy

There's nothing legal about the boards decision to have people vote on TTAs pardon according to APPEAL or COURT. Not to mention, Pev brought up a very good point about Ankha being judge. However, granted the major support that TTA garnered I would like to think he would be granted a pardon by Pev. I don't know for certain though.

That would be logical, yes..

Anyways, roads is going camping for the weekend. My activity will be shakey. Deputies, you know what to do. I want at least 5 "muh roads" style comments from each of you. :P

Muh Roads wrote:Anyways, roads is going camping for the weekend. My activity will be shakey. Deputies, you know what to do. I want at least 5 "muh roads" style comments from each of you. :P

So I should just say "The secret is in the sauce" a couple times a day, yes?

The New United States wrote:So I should just say "The secret is in the sauce" a couple times a day, yes?

That'll work.

Roads, the vote is not legally binding. The decision is up to Pev. That was just a public referenda.

This government takes so long to get anything done.

Hallo Island wrote:This government takes so long to get anything done.

This isn't bureaucracy, this is Pev living in England.

Humpheria wrote:This isn't bureaucracy, this is Pev living in England.

Totally need more US east-coast Presidents.

Or one from Wyoming. Obama isn't even a leader. He's a joke.

Miencraft wrote:Totally need more US east-coast Presidents.

I would vote for TTA if he lived in EST.

Smanatchenka wrote:Or one from Wyoming. Obama isn't even a leader. He's a joke.

*facepalm*

Oh, you mean the region. Oh. I'm a derp.

Humpheria wrote:I would vote for TTA if he lived in EST.

I thought he was

Lack There Of wrote:I thought he was

TTA 2014!

Humpheria wrote:This isn't bureaucracy, this is Pev living in England.

Damn it Pev.

It is currently 10:34pm in England

Hallo Island wrote:It is currently 10:34pm in England

Sadly, Pev has a real life so he has to actually sleep.

Humpheria wrote:Sadly, Pev has a real life so he has to actually sleep.

What is sleep

Humpheria wrote:Sadly, Pev has a real life so he has to actually sleep.

What is a real life

Lack There Of wrote:What is a real life

Or lack there of?

Lack There Of wrote:What is a real life

What is a "real"?

Miencraft wrote:What is a "real"?

A tougher question is what is life.

Is a virus life? Yet a bacteria is...

Where do you draw the line?

Pax Osca wrote:A tougher question is what is life.

Is a virus life? Yet a bacteria is...

Where do you draw the line?

I know how to draw the line on intelligent life. Ask the entity it's thoughts on communism

It would be much appreciated if one of you could telegram me a play-by-play of important things that I missed related to this region, starting Monday and ending today. Thanks in advance!

Lack There Of wrote:I know how to draw the line on intelligent life. Ask the entity it's thoughts on communism

Communism is necessary for the unshackling of the Working Class from the vile, destructive grasp of the bourgeois capitalists, of course!

The New United States wrote:Communism is necessary for the unshackling of the Working Class from the vile, destructive grasp of the bourgeois capitalists, of course!

Beep-beep-beep

Nope, no signs of intelligent life here

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:It would be much appreciated if one of you could telegram me a play-by-play of important things that I missed related to this region, starting Monday and ending today. Thanks in advance!

A lot

Lack There Of wrote:Beep-beep-beep

Nope, no signs of intelligent life here

I'll have you know I graduated from the top of my class at UC Santa Cruz, with a double major in Art History and Gender Studies, thank you!

The New United States wrote:I'll have you know I graduated from the top of my class at UC Santa Cruz, with a double major in Art History and Gender Studies, thank you!

There was such a lack of intelligent life that the machine actually broke

Gender Studies: I am not going to make any money!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Gender Studies: I am not going to make any money!

I was hoping that the government could just give me money for a while.

*proceeds to spend food-stamps on lobster and wine*

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Gender Studies: I am not going to make any money!

College: I am not going to keep any of my money for the next couple decades

Lack There Of wrote:College: I am not going to keep any of my money for the next couple decades

College: because spending money is more important than earning it.

Miencraft wrote:College: because spending money is more important than earning it.

College: because you've got to spend money to make money

The New United States wrote:College: because you've got to spend money to make money

College: Because what are you, a liberal?

The New United States wrote:College: because you've got to spend money to make money

I'd prefer digging ditches to being in debt for the rest of my life, thanks.

Miencraft wrote:I'd prefer digging ditches to being in debt for the rest of my life, thanks.

Public Universities + Scholarships = Not too much debt

The New United States wrote:Public Universities + Scholarships = Not too much debt

Well, sure, but I'd rather go get a crap job for a couple of years while I find out what I actually want to do (which is what I did).

I mean, most people just go into college with some random major (which more often than not is a useless liberal arts major) and end up going nowhere with it because they had no plans for it and couldn't find any ways to use it.

I think maybe once I leave NY I'll go to college, but for the next few years I'll avoid it like the plague.

Miencraft wrote:Well, sure, but I'd rather go get a crap job for a couple of years while I find out what I actually want to do (which is what I did).

I mean, most people just go into college with some random major (which more often than not is a useless liberal arts major) and end up going nowhere with it because they had no plans for it and couldn't find any ways to use it.

I think maybe once I leave NY I'll go to college, but for the next few years I'll avoid it like the plague.

That is true. I have met people that have changed their majors five or six time. I already knew what major and career I wanted before college, so I think that college is right for me.

The New United States wrote:That is true. I have met people that have changed their majors five or six time. I already knew what major and career I wanted before college, so I think that college is right for me.

Well, good luck.

Post self-deleted by Pevvania.

I'm going to be off now, new episodes of stuff on in like right now so I should get going.

Woo, Seinfeld is on.

Miens a new yorken?

Hey guys, I was out on the town with the ladies. Soz for having a life. But now I am back, to give precious freedom and irritating monologues to you all!

I've thought about this quite a bit, and I've concluded that the verdict, and for that matter the trial procedure, of the appeal trial of TTA was not a legal decision. I do not place the blame on Ankha or anyone for this. Legal systems are based on trial and error (lol), so it's important for missteps to occur in order for us to rectify them for a stronger judiciary and legal system in the future. My analysis is based on current laws.

The first mistake came when Ankha assumed he was the judge. The COURT Act mandates that the Board Chairman appoints the judge, which I do not believe occurred. Although I did not direct Ankha to make any sort of decision, having the Attorney-General as judge could potentially create a conflict of interest, since the AG is appointed by the President. Nevertheless, the only legal mistake at this point was self-appointment of the judge.

Secondly, TTA did not exactly appeal his ruling. This is not so much a violation of the law is at is an indicator of a general lack of knowledge about how law is supposed to work. I don't know why TTA would plead guilty, since this was an opportunity to make either a case against his original conviction or a case against the sentence he received. So in effect this acted as a retrial - something which is already covered for in the COURT Act. I hate to say it, but the APPEAL Act was a lazily written piece of legislation. I will seek to amend it so it is closer to an actual appeal case.

Thirdly, Ankha's verdict was unclear. At first he declared TTA guilty and ordered his puppet to leave the region within 24 hours. But then he divested his role as the judge in this case to the rest of the region by requesting a poll on the matter. He has no legal power to do this.

Section III, Subsection X of the COURT Act:

If the defendant is guilty, the judge may choose the sentence, which is to be enforced by the President.

It's also worth noting that he did not specify a sentence, which is basically like saying "Continue to serve your permanent ban."

And perhaps the killing blow in this was that there was no jury at all. Nada.

APPEAL Act

Section IV

Approving or denying appeals

Subsection I

After the trial has been arranged by the attorney general, the court case will proceed according to the COURT act sections II, III, and IV

The COURT Act says there must be a jury. There was no jury here.

I could easily grant TTA a pardon. I personally would like to see him return, and I have all the legal power to bring him back. But I've done it once before for him, and I would like to see the legal system do what it is supposed to do.

I am motioning the Board to vote on whether or not this was a mistrial. I believe it was, and fits the description of one as described in Section IV of the COURT Act.

If the Board votes for a new trial, remember:

-The judge must be selected by the Board Chairman, Miencraft.

-A six-nation jury is to be randomly selected via number assignment, managed by the Board Chairman.

-Both legal teams must present their argument, etc. It's all in the COURT Act.

I think this is a very silly way of doing an appeal trial. Everyone knows that TTA is guilty, so the only realistic way of doing this would be pleading guilty and hoping for a reduced sentence or pleading not guilty on the basis of good behaviour.

We can do the trial first, if the Board wishes, or we could amend the APPEAL Act for a much quicker and more sensible process. If they wish for the latter first, I can draft a new APPEAL Act for tomorrow and we can vote on it then.

Is this really necessary?! The vast majority of the region would like him to return, and we have been putting this off for months! Just let him back in. Almost all of the region has voted and agreed that this is what we want. Why the hell do we have to wait any longer?! This is ridiculous.

Hallo Island wrote:Is this really necessary?! The vast majority of the region would like him to return, and we have been putting this off for months! Just let him back in. Almost all of the region has voted and agreed that this is what we want. Why the hell do we have to wait any longer?! This is ridiculous.

This region is based on the rule of law. I'd like to see him back too, but we can't be sidestepping legislation at our own convenience. Anyway, we need a good trial run of our courts.

So much for Humph telling me it went well. Wow!

Pevvania wrote:This region is based on the rule of law. I'd like to see him back too, but we can't be sidestepping legislation at our own convenience. Anyway, we need a good trial run of our courts.

I'm sorry but there doesn't really seem to be a point of having a trial when literally everyone has voted for his return.

It isn't fair to further postpone his return when you could just pardon him and get it over with. We shouldn't be making him suffer just because we want to test out our court system.

Hallo Island wrote:The vast majority of the region would like him to return

Hahaha

Oh wow

No, I don't even see why we let him back in the first place. Defeating the only judicial ruling we've ever had would make us look weak; if we can't punish those who don't abide our laws, how can we maintain order when someone inevitably takes advantage of that?

Ankha wrote:Miens a new yorken?

...unfortunately...

Liberal heaven....(aka hell))

Ankha wrote:Liberal heaven....(aka hell))

Mhmm.

Fortunately NH isn't too far away.

Ankha wrote:Liberal heaven....(aka hell))

But modern liberals don't go to heaven. ......

The Amarican Empire wrote:But modern liberals don't go to heaven. ......

Shots fired

The Amarican Empire wrote:But modern liberals don't go to heaven. ......

Ankha wrote:Liberal heaven....(aka hell)

Although I was the cause of most of it, Pev is correct. Like I said earlier that trial was no where near acceptable by AMERICAN standards. Pevvania forgets that the trial was based on APPEAL and COURT. I don't think it is very fair for him to judge that trial on real world standards rather than Libertatem standards. However, I do agree that the guilty plea was unacceptable. But understand that the motion for a vote was not legally binding at the end of the day, the Board does not have pardoning power.

But, Pev, way to be harsh on a first attempt.

Pevvania wrote:And perhaps the killing blow in this was that there was no jury at all. Nada.

There was a jury, they never got a chance to vote. But there was one.

Ankha wrote:So much for Humph telling me it went well. Wow!

Way to blame Pev's bitterness on me. I told you that the trial was legal. It was. Pev is basing his condemnation on American Judicial standards.

Well shniz, I didn't even save that opening statement

Humpheria wrote:There was a jury, they never got a chance to vote. But there was one.

Way to blame Pev's bitterness on me. I told you that the trial was legal. It was. Pev is basing his condemnation on American Judicial standards.

Which I don't really understand, seen as he isn't even American....

Lack There Of wrote:Well shniz, I didn't even save that opening statement

I'll just go back and find mine and repost it.

Pev, why are you in hard ass mode?

Hallo Island wrote:I'm sorry but there doesn't really seem to be a point of having a trial when literally everyone has voted for his return.

We are a republic, not a democracy.

Hallo Island wrote:It isn't fair to further postpone his return when you could just pardon him and get it over with. We shouldn't be making him suffer just because we want to test out our court system.

Albenia can come back, since this ruling will likely be overturned. And yes, we should, because we should have a reliable legal system rather than a judiciary based on the whims of the President. We tried this once, and we'll try it again until we get it right. And you seem to be forgetting that Ankha ruled that his ban was to remain in place. The poll he issued legally means nothing. If we stick with the current ruling then TTA will not return unless he appeals again.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Hahaha

Oh wow

Watchu talkin bout Willis? New Hampshire is the most libertarian state in the country.

No, I don't even see why we let him back in the first place. Defeating the only judicial ruling we've ever had would make us look weak; if we can't punish those who don't abide our laws, how can we maintain order when someone inevitably takes advantage of that?

Welcome back, Idealism. Wise words.

Miencraft wrote:Mhmm.

Fortunately NH isn't too far away.

Humpheria wrote:Although I was the cause of most of it, Pev is correct. Like I said earlier that trial was no where near acceptable by AMERICAN standards. Pevvania forgets that the trial was based on APPEAL and COURT. I don't think it is very fair for him to judge that trial on real world standards rather than Libertatem standards. However, I do agree that the guilty plea was unacceptable. But understand that the motion for a vote was not legally binding at the end of the day, the Board does not have pardoning power.

But, Pev, way to be harsh on a first attempt.

I did not judge it on real world standards, I judge it based on the COURT and APPEAL Acts, which currently form the basis of most of our judicial system. It should be clear to anyone familiar with the law of our region that incorrect procedure was followed. I wasn't invoking American standards at all; I actually know British law much better than US law. But while I was busy with work and exams I delegated the responsibility of finishing the APPEAL Act to someone else. I've merely commented that it did not turn out the way I had hoped, and that I would seek to amend it as soon as possible so we have an actual Court of Appeal rather than another avenue to a retrial.

I am not being harsh, I am being frank. And if not me, the guy this region elected to represent you, then who else is going to uphold the law? Isn't that my prime function?

Humpheria wrote:There was a jury, they never got a chance to vote. But there was one.

Way to blame Pev's bitterness on me. I told you that the trial was legal. It was. Pev is basing his condemnation on American Judicial standards.

Duly noted. And I've made it very painfully clear that my opinion that the appeal trial of TTA was based on existing Libertatem law.

Hallo Island wrote:Which I don't really understand, seen as he isn't even American....

I have lived in several countries and have tasted each of their cultures. Speaking of the US, I'm gonna try and get a 10-year travel visa next year.

Hallo Island wrote:Pev, why are you in hard ass mode?

I'm not. I just don't understand why it's so hard for us to follow the law. This is not a big deal. We should organise a quick retrial and then move onto more pressing matters, such as the FRAUD revisions and the Board elections.

Out of all the countries you have been to what are your top three favorite ones.

The president's purpose is to be a barrier between the will of the people and the rule of law

When can the Board vote on whether it was a mistrial?

The Amarican Empire wrote:Out of all the countries you have been to what are your top three favorite ones.

Sorry for my Grammer I am just an average American lol.

Pevvania wrote:I did not judge it on real world standards, I judge it based on the COURT and APPEAL Acts, which currently form the basis of most of our judicial system. It should be clear to anyone familiar with the law of our region that incorrect procedure was followed. I wasn't invoking American standards at all; I actually know British law much better than US law. But while I was busy with work and exams I delegated the responsibility of finishing the APPEAL Act to someone else. I've merely commented that it did not turn out the way I had hoped, and that I would seek to amend it as soon as possible so we have an actual Court of Appeal rather than another avenue to a retrial.

I am not being harsh, I am being frank. And if not me, the guy this region elected to represent you, then who else is going to uphold the law? Isn't that my prime function?

Duly noted. And I've made it very painfully clear that my opinion that the appeal trial of TTA was based on existing Libertatem law.

I have lived in several countries and have tasted each of their cultures. Speaking of the US, I'm gonna try and get a 10-year travel visa next year.

By regional standards, the only illegality was Anhka being judge. Which admittedly I had forgotten even though I wrote that law.

When you come to the US, stop by Jeff and we'll do lunch.

I'm off to bed now. I hope you'll have come to a decision by the morning.

And by the way, I do not need to start a poll for you guys to propose and or vote on legislation.

Humpheria wrote:By regional standards, the only illegality was Anhka being judge. Which admittedly I had forgotten even though I wrote that law.

When you come to the US, stop by Jeff and we'll do lunch.

And how the jury was not consulted, and the divested verdict... It was a good first try, don't get me wrong, but we still have work to do.

Sounds good! :)

Pevvania wrote:And how the jury was not consulted, and the divested verdict... It was a good first try, don't get me wrong, but we still have work to do.

Sounds good! :)

The jury isn't involved until both sides have closed, we didn't get to that point. Not really as it is supposed to be like all other court cases and guilty pleas equal guilty verdicts.

You're paying.

The Democratic Confederation of The Time Alliance

Seconds ago

I'm done. I'm not returning.

Goodbye. Send Libertatem my regards.

You couldn't just f*cking let him return. Good job guys.

Humpheria wrote:The Democratic Confederation of The Time Alliance

Seconds ago

I'm done. I'm not returning.

Goodbye. Send Libertatem my regards.

So, what ever though, right

Lack There Of wrote:So, what ever though, right

Basically.

Hallo Island wrote:You couldn't just f*cking let him return. Good job guys.

So much for your vast majority.

Listen, I know you liked him more than the rest of us did. He was a stand-up guy, but he stood us up and stood against us in so many ways - you have to understand why we did what we did, even if you don't agree.

Hey, maybe I'll just leave too.

He decided not to come back.

Humpheria wrote:The Democratic Confederation of The Time Alliance

Seconds ago

I'm done. I'm not returning.

Goodbye. Send Libertatem my regards.

Huh. I don't get it. I really don't.

Hallo Island wrote:Hey, maybe I'll just leave too.

That would be a bad thing, but your decision entirely.

The New United States wrote:Huh. I don't get it. I really don't.

The drama of this whole situation is getting too much.

Humpheria wrote:The drama of this whole situation is getting too much.

Yep.

There wouldn't be any drama if Pev had just pardoned him.

Tta will be back he always does come back.

The Amarican Empire wrote:Tta will be back he always does come back.

Do you know why? Because he loves this place. But you guys just won't let him be a citizen. He has been here for months.

Hallo Island wrote:There wouldn't be any drama if Pev had just pardoned him.

There would be even less drama if everyone stopped pointing fingers, please?

Let's all take a chill pill.

Hallo, what is your favorite restaurant?

Mine is Denny's. I love Denny's. It jiggles my puffs.

Humpheria wrote:Hallo, what is your favorite restaurant?

Hm...

We don't have Denny's around here.

I like a nice sushi/steak/seafood place a few towns over called 84 Main.

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