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Right-Winged Nation wrote:TTA, slavery, civil rights, equality for women all three examples of how the constitution was used to fight and improve those problems.

Those were amendments.

Not the Original Constitution.

Albenia wrote:Those were amendments.

Not the Original Constitution.

Doesn't matter if it's the "original", the amendments added to the constitution follow the belief of equality for all. The constitution has produced solutions to some of America's problems.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Doesn't matter if it's the "original", the amendments added to the constitution follow the belief of equality for all. The constitution has produced solutions to some of America's problems.

It does matter...because we've been speaking or I have been speaking on basis Of the Original non amended constitution.

Lack There Of wrote:#publiclibraryprobs #howamazongetsmymoney

Might as well use the library if I am forced to pay for it, eh?

I should get it delivered via drone.

Albenia wrote:It does matter...because we've been speaking or I have been speaking on basis Of the Original non amended constitution.

You can't argue on that basis, because the constitution has been amended, the constitution has adapted to modern society, and it has been formed to modern day problems that America has faced. Critizicing the unamended constitution is like critizicing artwork that isn't finished, the constitution was created to adapt, and it has done that.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Might as well use the library if I am forced to pay for it, eh?

I should get it delivered via drone.

Yeah I get that, I just wish my money would be used to buy good books. No joke, my home town library had an ENTIRE WALL of nothing but romance novels.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:You can't argue on that basis, because the constitution has been amended, the constitution has adapted to modern society, and it has been formed to modern day problems that America has faced. Critizicing the unamended constitution is like critizicing artwork that isn't finished, the constitution was created to adapt, and it has done that.

The point is without the Bill of Rights the constitution gave too much power to the Feds.

Albenia wrote:The point is without the Bill of Rights the constitution gave too much power to the Feds.

I'd go as far as to say that the Feds had far more power than what would be seen in a republic and more akin to the unitary governments in Europe.

The point is the constitution is a meaningless piece of paper

The Serbian Empire wrote:I'd go as far as to say that the Feds had far more power than what would be seen in a republic and more akin to the unitary governments in Europe.

Exactly.

Lack There Of wrote:The point is the constitution is a meaningless piece of paper

...Are you an Anarchist?

Albenia wrote:Anarchist?

You're powers of observation are uncanny

Lack There Of wrote:You're powers of observation are uncanny

...Ooooohhhhh

Come on now, the constitution is not meaningless.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Come on now, the constitution is not meaningless.

Do go on and explain how it has stopped the expansion of federal authority, or how it is in any way a legitimate and binding legal document .

Albenia wrote:What?

You basically voided your entire argument on the topic on which we were arguing.

Miencraft wrote:You basically voided your entire argument on the topic on which we were arguing.

How?

Miencraft wrote:You basically voided your entire argument on the topic on which we were arguing.

How out of character for TTA

Lack There Of wrote:Do go on and explain how it has stopped the expansion of federal authority, or how it is in any way a legitimate and binding legal document .

The interpretation of the constitution has lead to the expansion of federal authority, but you can't blame the document because of what people have done with it. It is a legal document that was established by our founding fathers and the people of America, it had to be voted on.

Albenia wrote:...Ooooohhhhh

His name is literally "lack there of"

:facepalm:

Republic Of Minerva wrote:His name is literally "lack there of"

:facepalm:

I thought it was just a name....

Lack There Of wrote:How out of character for TTA

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Albenia wrote:How?

You made the point I was making, that's how.

Albenia wrote:You want to tell me if I trust the government with my life? No. The only people I trust with my life are my parents and my current love.

Miencraft wrote:You made the point I was making, that's how.

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Republic Of Minerva wrote:His name is literally "lack there of"

:facepalm:

At least someone got it. Now I can die at peace

Right-Winged Nation wrote:The interpretation of the constitution has lead to the expansion of federal authority, but you can't blame the document because of what people have done with it. It is a legal document that was established by our founding fathers and the people of America, it had to be voted on.

I didn't vote for it, so how am I bound

Lack There Of wrote:I didn't vote for it, so how am I bound

Furthermore, I did not consent for the founders to found anything

Lack There Of wrote:I didn't vote for it, so how am I bound

By the faults of your ancestors.

Technically you are bound by science, life and nature.

It is what our country runs under, so you are bound to it lack.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:It is what our country runs under, so you are bound to it lack.

Just so we're all on the same page, because I was born inside imaginary lines that constitute the territory of a gang of thieves and murders I am obligated to abide by the laws this gang of thieves and murderers have established under the pretense that theses laws are for my own benefit. Because of my obligation I agreed to at birth I have renounced my self sovereignty and any attempt to regain my sovereignty will be considered a crime against this gang of thieves and murderers and will result in either my death or incarceration. But it's ok because that's how the system works and it's the best one we've got. So love it or leave it, am I right?

Lack There Of wrote:Just so we're all on the same page, because I was born inside imaginary lines that constitute the territory of a gang of thieves and murders I am obligated to abide by the laws this gang of thieves and murderers have established under the pretense that theses laws are for my own benefit. Because of my obligation I agreed to at birth I have renounced my self sovereignty and any attempt to regain my sovereignty will be considered a crime against this gang of thieves and murderers and will result in either my death or incarceration. But it's ok because that's how the system works and it's the best one we've got. So love it or leave it, am I right?

What thieves and murderes are you talking about Lack?

Speaking of slavery, time for me to clock in

Lack There Of wrote:The state

Tell in what ways "the state" has robbed and murdered.

Lack There Of wrote:Speaking of slavery, time for me to clock in

You clocked in when you were born.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Tell in what ways "the state" has robbed and murdered.

It robs you of your income not just every month, but every second of every day. It's mere existence as a coercive monopoly on force means that it is destroying wealth all the time. It murders millions of people every year to sustain itself either through flat execution or warfare.

Pevvania wrote:It robs you of your income not just every month, but every second of every day. It's mere existence as a coercive monopoly on force means that it is destroying wealth all the time. It murders millions of people every year to sustain itself either through flat execution or warfare.

Sadly this is true.

Does the state make income besides taxes?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:From what I know of Nozick, I actually agree with him a lot of points, at least philosophically. Of course I am willing to make a lot more exceptions and I justify the state's existence more on utilitarianism than Nozick's idea of it's inevitability.

His idea of anarcho-capitalism as a transitional stage between a coercive and a non-coercive state sounds quite attractive to me, but I'd need to read his work before making a real judgement.

Albenia wrote:Sadly this is true.

Does the state make income besides taxes?

Borrowing and printing money are the only other major ways it makes money. But inevitably its expenses must be paid for by taxation.

Lol - http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/630w/53b85e40a9744.jpg

Pevvania wrote:Borrowing and printing money are the only other major ways it makes money. But inevitably its expenses must be paid for by taxation.

Okay. I needed to know because I was wondering if taxes were needed.

Pevvania wrote:It robs you of your income not just every month, but every second of every day. It's mere existence as a coercive monopoly on force means that it is destroying wealth all the time. It murders millions of people every year to sustain itself either through flat execution or warfare.

Pevvania wrote:It robs you of your income not just every month, but every second of every day. It's mere existence as a coercive monopoly on force means that it is destroying wealth all the time. It murders millions of people every year to sustain itself either through flat execution or warfare.

I was speaking in terms of the constitution, apparently Lack thinks that the constitution promotes that.

Guys, Pink Floyd is coming out with a new album, this is serious

Right-Winged Nation wrote:I was speaking in terms of the constitution, apparently Lack thinks that the constitution promotes that.

yes actually it does, as the constitution creates "justification" for the state's existence, and thus promotes robbing and murdering

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Tell in what ways "the state" has robbed and murdered.

was this one real, or were you just trolling me?

Albenia wrote:You clocked in when you were born.

And i would like to thank tta for making me highly unproductive at work today while i pondered this. It finally occurred to me that my creator was kind enough to give me the free will to "opt out," if you will, something the state, nor a slave master, would allow. So no, I am not a "slave" to life so long as I can end it on my own terms when ever i so choose to do so. Among other things, the idea of being "born a slave to nature" is rather appalling. Our instinct to live makes us no more a slave to water as a rock is a slave to gravity for not moving. Perhaps i show my ignorance, but i cannot fathom the concept of being owned by an inanimate object such as water, or gravity. This sort of nonsense is what allows leftists to claim that working for wages is indeed slavery, something I unwittingly made a joke about earlier. It is just a reality that you need to labor to survive, but again you are always given the option to voluntarily not survive, so not even that could really be slavery.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Guys, Pink Floyd is coming out with a new album, this is serious

Pink Floyd is WAY overrated

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Pink Floyd is WAY overrated

I second that motion. Dont get me wrong, Dark side of the moon is a decent album, but im just not into mechanical stuff. Example, on the run, what even is that?

Pevvania wrote:Lol - http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/630w/53b85e40a9744.jpg

#swag

Lack There Of wrote:I second that motion. Dont get me wrong, Dark side of the moon is a decent album, but im just not into mechanical stuff. Example, on the run, what even is that?

The only reason they are famous is the cover of that album. Otherwise they are nothing.

The Wall is a work of art.

Hallo Island wrote:The Wall is a work of art.

Your flag is a work of art.

Hallo Island wrote:The Wall is a work of art.

I'm not really a fan of the wall, but maybe I'm just not very cultured

The Amarican Empire wrote:Your flag is a work of art.

Morrissey is gawd

Good afternoon everyone. Observation of the day: I love Milton Friedman, but I do not agree with his views on monetary policy.

Pevvania wrote:Good afternoon everyone. Observation of the day: I love Milton Friedman, but I do not agree with his views on monetary policy.

Said every libtard ever

His son is an anarcho capitalist.

Pevvania wrote:Good afternoon everyone. Observation of the day: I love Milton Friedman, but I do not agree with his views on monetary policy.

Morning*

lol ;)

The Amarican Empire wrote:His son is an anarcho capitalist.

Well where is his Nobel prize? Therefore, anarchy is bad

Lack There Of wrote:Well where is his Nobel prize? Therefore, anarchy is bad

Lack, it's time to take your state issued medication. =P

No he just needs to go back to the brainwashing facilities aka public school. Jk but public schools are brainwashing facilities.

Muh Roads wrote:Lack, it's time to take your state issued medication. =P

I already did, but I wish they'd give me some sleeping pills because my sleep cycle isn't correcting itself just like the market and needs some state intervention.

At least we brainwash and drug the next generation less then other countries do......

According to the BOARD Amendment, four positions must be appointed to the Boardsmen: Imperial Representative, Recruitment Specialist, People's Attorney and Political Specialist. The first position is legally defunct, as the Libertatem Empire was disbanded almost a year ago. I hereby appoint [nation=short]The New United States[/nation] to the position of Recruitment Specialist, [nation=short]Hallo Island[/nation] to People's Attorney and [nation=short]The Amarican Empire[/nation] to Political Specialist.

So taking

Calculus

AP CHEMISTRY

VIDEO 3

ENGLISH 12

PE

AP EUROPEAN HISTORY

PHOTOGRAPHY

is brain washing? I worked my way to those classes and are my choice alone.

The amended APPEAL Act is here. I'll leave it here for y'all to review, and then I'll put it to vote.

Amending the Allocating Precise Powers Enabling Appeals to Litigation Act

Changes

Section IV

Approving or denying appeals

Subsection I

After the trial has been arranged by the attorney general, the court case will proceed according to the COURT act sections II, III, and IV

Subsection II

If the convicted criminal is deemed not guilty all charges pending and settled are to be dropped

to

Section IV

Approving or denying appeals

Subsection I

After the appeal has been arranged by the Attorney-General, it will proceed to the Court of Appeal

Subsection II

The Board shall act as the region's Court of Appeal, and shall approve or deny an appeal by a convicted felon based on a unanimous or super-majority vote

Subsection III

The convicted felon will be represented either by themself, by a designated legal representative or by the People's Attorney

Subsection IV

The felon may appeal their sentence or their conviction

Adds

Section VII

Modifying the People's Attorney

Subsection I

The People's Attorney will continue to be appointed by the Founder or President, but shall not be chosen from the Board due to fears of a conflict of interest

Section VIII

Further improvements to the judicial system

Subsection I

Alterations to the structure of the judicial system may be passed by the Department of Justice

Subsection II

Such alterations may be repealed or rejected at any time by the Board with a super-majority vote

Forcing kids to take PE makes me angry. If you want to be fatass, shouldn't that just be your choice?

I wasn't forced. I could drop out, do JROTC (I did), or apply for a waiver. And honestly Americans need it.

Pevvania wrote:The amended APPEAL Act is here. I'll leave it here for y'all to review, and then I'll put it to vote.

Amending the Allocating Precise Powers Enabling Appeals to Litigation Act

Changes

Section IV

Approving or denying appeals

Subsection I

After the trial has been arranged by the attorney general, the court case will proceed according to the COURT act sections II, III, and IV

Subsection II

If the convicted criminal is deemed not guilty all charges pending and settled are to be dropped

to

Section IV

Approving or denying appeals

Subsection I

After the appeal has been arranged by the Attorney-General, it will proceed to the Court of Appeal

Subsection II

The Board shall act as the region's Court of Appeal, and shall approve or deny an appeal by a convicted felon based on a unanimous or super-majority vote

Subsection III

The convicted felon will be represented either by themself, by a designated legal representative or by the People's Attorney

Subsection IV

The felon may appeal their sentence or their conviction

Adds

Section VII

Modifying the People's Attorney

Subsection I

The People's Attorney will continue to be appointed by the Founder or President, but shall not be chosen from the Board due to fears of a conflict of interest

Section VIII

Further improvements to the judicial system

Subsection I

Alterations to the structure of the judicial system may be passed by the Department of Justice

Subsection II

Such alterations may be repealed or rejected at any time by the Board with a super-majority vote

I find these changes to be satisfactory. section 8 is a nice addition

Northern Prussia wrote:I worked my way to those classes and are my choice alone.

Brainwashing does not imply that something is mandatory.

You have, however, selected a very clean array of classes, with the only one in which I can expect any serious brainwashing to occur is European History.

Northern Prussia wrote:I wasn't forced. I could drop out, do JROTC (I did), or apply for a waiver. And honestly Americans need it.

In my school you need PE credits to graduate. Honestly, I think Marching Band should count as a PE credit cause wow

Pevvania wrote:According to the BOARD Amendment, four positions must be appointed to the Boardsmen: Imperial Representative, Recruitment Specialist, People's Attorney and Political Specialist. The first position is legally defunct, as the Libertatem Empire was disbanded almost a year ago. I hereby appoint [nation=short]The New United States[/nation] to the position of Recruitment Specialist, [nation=short]Hallo Island[/nation] to People's Attorney and [nation=short]The Amarican Empire[/nation] to Political Specialist.

You found it! I remember having given many of the Board positions special responsibilities, but forgot how it worked.

I think they'll fit their positions nicely.

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Pink Floyd is WAY overrated

*Gasps* They are the greatest Progressive Rock band of all time, these words sadden me :( If Ankha sees this, he is going to lose it.

Also, the appeal act looks pretty good.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:*Gasps* They are the greatest Progressive Rock band of all time, these words sadden me :( If Ankha sees this, he is going to lose it.

Progressive rock? I prefer conservative stones.

*ba-dum-tsh*

Pevvania wrote:Progressive rock? I prefer conservative stones.

*ba-dum-tsh*

Hey, I make the puns here.

We have had like two police officers killed in Indiana yesterday and people are coming out of the woodwork to congratulate the murders for giving the world "one less pig". I am disgusted to live in the same country with people who so despise the people that keep them alive. It is disgraceful.

Humpheria wrote:We have had like two police officers killed in Indiana yesterday and people are coming out of the woodwork to congratulate the murders for giving the world "one less pig". I am disgusted to live in the same country with people who so despise the people that keep them alive. It is disgraceful.

You stay classy, Indiana.

Humpheria wrote:We have had like two police officers killed in Indiana yesterday and people are coming out of the woodwork to congratulate the murders for giving the world "one less pig". I am disgusted to live in the same country with people who so despise the people that keep them alive. It is disgraceful.

They're crazy for calling their public guardians pigs.

They're even crazier for advocating the murder of pigs of any kind if it doesn't involve meat processing, because that means the world has less bacon.

Conclusion: Bigots hate bacon.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:Conclusion: Bigots hate bacon.

Or the people that risk their lives for their safety....

Humpheria wrote:We have had like two police officers killed in Indiana yesterday and people are coming out of the woodwork to congratulate the murders for giving the world "one less pig". I am disgusted to live in the same country with people who so despise the people that keep them alive. It is disgraceful.

I think it's awful how someone could automatically dismiss a dead officer like that, but I see where they're coming from. As I hear more and more horror stories about US police officers, I'm becoming more hostile to them in general. Did you know that between 2003 and 2011, more people were murdered by American police officers than there were US combat fatalities in Iraq? And whenever horrible occurrences like the murder of Kelly Thomas happen, everyone expects the 'good cops' to teach the bad ones a lesson. I'm still waiting.

Humpheria wrote:Or the people that risk their lives for their safety....

Same people that shoot dogs and beat up people with Down syndrome

Humpheria wrote:We have had like two police officers killed in Indiana yesterday and people are coming out of the woodwork to congratulate the murders for giving the world "one less pig". I am disgusted to live in the same country with people who so despise the people that keep them alive. It is disgraceful.

Well as much as I hate how they dismissed the officer...what exactly do you expect in a country where police do less good than harm.

Let me say this. The Police arrive after the fact. They protect no one....

Humpheria wrote:Or the people that risk their lives for their safety....

Well, them too. I was using insane troll logic to demonstrate that they are truly awful people; after all, no good man can resist the allure of bacon.

So, yeah. Don't call cops pigs. It isn't nice.

Hallo Island wrote:Same people that shoot dogs and beat up people with Down syndrome

Just like every profession, there are good ones and bad ones. The bad ones ruin the reputation of them all.

Pevvania wrote:I think it's awful how someone could automatically dismiss a dead officer like that, but I see where they're coming from. As I hear more and more horror stories about US police officers, I'm becoming more hostile to them in general. Did you know that between 2003 and 2011, more people were murdered by American police officers than there were US combat fatalities in Iraq? And whenever horrible occurrences like the murder of Kelly Thomas happen, everyone expects the 'good cops' to teach the bad ones a lesson. I'm still waiting.

Source?

Hallo Island wrote:Same people that shoot dogs and beat up people with Down syndrome

There are millions of police officers and every few weeks one of those videos come out, thus every single person that puts on a badge i and goes out in a very dangerous world is the re-incarnation of Satan? EVERY [B]SINGLE[/B] officer of the law is a horrible person who lives to bully people, right? Glad we got that cleared up.

Not to mention that it isn't their fault their departments are horribly inefficient - like with most public services, the (or more likely, a) government is at fault.

Of course, this can be exploited, too; if my house is being robbed or something, I could call the pizza place for backup considering how quickly they can get here.

Who in God's name is dissing the police?

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Who in God's name is dissing the police?

A lot of people. And Hallo.

Humpheria wrote:A lot of people. And Hallo.

I interpreted his comment as referring to the people who hate cops, not the police themselves.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I interpreted his comment as referring to the people who hate cops, not the police themselves.

All the same.

Northern Prussia wrote:I wasn't forced. I could drop out, do JROTC (I did), or apply for a waiver. And honestly Americans need it.

Racist.

Albenia wrote:Not a race...

Technically, a race is any group of people with a shared language, history, and heritage, so "American" can qualify as its own ethnicity at the very least.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Technically, a race is any group of people with a shared language, history, and heritage, so "American" can qualify as its own ethnicity at the very least.

.....Caucasian. That's race.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Guys, Pink Floyd is coming out with a new album, this is serious

THE ENDLESS RIVER!!! Lets go! (It prob wont be that great, but it should be good, so :) :)

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes wrote:Pink Floyd is WAY overrated

NO BLASPHEMY!! *writes* "Reason 10000 why I dont like RRRG: Unclutured Heathen"

Lack There Of wrote:I second that motion. Dont get me wrong, Dark side of the moon is a decent album, but im just not into mechanical stuff. Example, on the run, what even is that?

You uncultured ostragoth.

Hallo Island wrote:The Wall is a work of art.

Yup.

Right-Winged Nation wrote:*Gasps* They are the greatest Progressive Rock band of all time, these words sadden me :( If Ankha sees this, he is going to lose it.

Yup. *flips*flios again*flips, just to be sure*

Still American culture is a breeding ground for gluttony and stupidity, and this is comming from an American

In other news and this will make most here happy. The American Import and Export Bank established by FDR in 1934. Has its charter up for renue in September. The US congress is seen likly to end the charter as its a corporate supporting bank. The bank is not favored by either party and is seen as a contradiction by Obama by his administration. Thats one less bank I guess.

Northern Prussia wrote:Still American culture is a breeding ground for gluttony and stupidity, and this is comming from an American

Ah, a self hating racist, are we?

Humpheria wrote:Just like every profession, there are good ones and bad ones. The bad ones ruin the reputation of them all.

Police officers have by and large been complacent in locking up millions for victimless crimes. This is tyranny.

Humpheria wrote:Source?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/americans-killed-cops-outnumber-americans-killed-iraq-war/

Right-Winged Nation wrote:Who in God's name is dissing the police?

I am dissing the police. I'm not dissing all police officers, but I'm dissing the police in general for enforcing authoritarian laws and covering up the crimes of some of their officers. My grandfather was a cop until he resigned to the overwhelming amount of corruption in the force.

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