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Ankhora wrote:I fell a little unwelcome....

It's fine.....When you don't share the exact same interests as everyone else in any region some people tend to....do this occasionally.

I just tend to myself.

The Time Alliance wrote:And what comment would that be?

The past 3 comments, where you squawk at everything I say.

Ankhora wrote:OK.

That reminds me. Politically what do you consider yourself as?

Ankhora wrote:I fell a little unwelcome....

I apologise, Ankhora. I just realised that you're not Tsardom but actually the Delegate! ^_^ I am Pevvania, nice to meet you.

Would you like to join the Libertarian Socialist Party?

Pevvania wrote:I apologise, Ankhora. I just realised that you're not Tsardom but actually the Delegate! ^_^ I am Pevvania, nice to meet you.

Would you like to join the Libertarian Socialist Party?

Is it not defunct?

The Time Alliance wrote:Is it not defunct?

Only by default, since Tsardom's puppet left the region.

Guys, I hope you got my telegram *winkwink*

Tonight.

I encourage you to join the Anti-Corporatist Party. We are sympathetic to the plight of the common worker, and oppose the oppression that is so often seen in big business. Furthermore, we oppose statism and totalitarianism, for they place the value of riches and power above the freedom and equality of the people.

Whether you're left or right, Libertatem could do with ACOP.

The Time Alliance wrote:That reminds me. Politically what do you consider yourself as?

Depends. I believe in a couple things. I appreciate the validity in the socialist economic system, and agree with the communist ideal of redistribution where people give what they can and take what they need, but I still believe people should get credit for what they do. My problem with communism is "Why would you work to become a doctor if you get the same amount of money if you're a janitor." It changes slightly sometimes with good enough reason. Anyway, Im glad to be here.

Pevvania wrote:I apologise, Ankhora. I just realised that you're not Tsardom but actually the Delegate! ^_^ I am Pevvania, nice to meet you.

Would you like to join the Libertarian Socialist Party?

Yes, it is true.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:I encourage you to join the Anti-Corporatist Party. We are sympathetic to the plight of the common worker, and oppose the oppression that is so often seen in big business. Furthermore, we oppose statism and totalitarianism, for they place the value of riches and power above the freedom and equality of the people.

Whether you're left or right, Libertatem could do with ACOP.

Hmm...Sounds good.

Pevvania wrote:Only by default, since Tsardom's puppet left the region.

ahh okay.

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Guys, I hope you got my telegram *winkwink*

Tonight.

Yep.

I am the Owner of the Democratic-Republican party. A party which values not choosing Right or Left but instead combining the best policies of both wings to create Moderate Centrism.

Our Motto: "Not Right, Not Left, But forward."

If you have further questions just contact me via TG.

Ankhora wrote:Depends. I believe in a couple things. I appreciate the validity in the socialist economic system, and agree with the communist ideal of redistribution where people give what they can and take what they need, but I still believe people should get credit for what they do. My problem with communism is "Why would you work to become a doctor if you get the same amount of money if you're a janitor." It changes slightly sometimes with good enough reason. Anyway, Im glad to be here.

Oh really? Check out the DRP then. it sounds like it fits you.

You can join ACOP and still be a part of the other party; if you were ever to obtain a government position, the other party would be listed instead of ACOP. We believe that nations have a right to their own party designations, but encourage our residents to take a stand for liberty and justice by promoting small business/government above big business/government.

TTA, that's syncretic centrism, not moderate.

Lawless, If I can call you that here, can you tell me about all the parties and help me pick? I trust you alot, and you offer good advice..

Ankhora wrote:Depends. I believe in a couple things. I appreciate the validity in the socialist economic system, and agree with the communist ideal of redistribution where people give what they can and take what they need, but I still believe people should get credit for what they do. My problem with communism is "Why would you work to become a doctor if you get the same amount of money if you're a janitor." It changes slightly sometimes with good enough reason. Anyway, Im glad to be here.Yes, it is true.Hmm...Sounds good.

Market socialism is an interesting idea, but it seems pretty gimmicky to me, as it did to Hayek.

Ankhora wrote:Lawless, If I can call you that here, can you tell me about all the parties and help me pick? I trust you alot, and you offer good advice..

The DRP sounds like it's right up your alley, and you could always be a secondary member of ACOP. (And most of NationStates calls me CI, short for Conservative Idealism - Lawless is the one exception.)

Big business was actually the original institution that lobbied for government intervention in politics. It's just as parasitic as big labour.

Conservative Idealism In Libertatem wrote:You can join ACOP and still be a part of the other party; if you were ever to obtain a government position, the other party would be listed instead of ACOP. We believe that nations have a right to their own party designations, but encourage our residents to take a stand for liberty and justice by promoting small business/government above big business/government.

This is actually an awesome stance I wouldn't have expected I'd ever see.

Great *sarcasm*, we allow a spy in our region.

Today, it's letting a spy in our region, and tomorrow it's becoming best buddies with The Internationale.

But a nation isn't an individual...:/

I have to go. Ill get back to you all.

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Great *sarcasm*, we allow a spy in our region.

Today, it's letting a spy in our region, and tomorrow it's becoming best buddies with The Internationale.

........It's a diplomat.

Turns out I dont have to go for a while...

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Great *sarcasm*, we allow a spy in our region.

Today, it's letting a spy in our region, and tomorrow it's becoming best buddies with The Internationale.

Thats insulting..

The Time Alliance wrote:........It's a diplomat.

Precisely, and I want to be a contributing member also..

The Neo-Confederate States Of America wrote:Great *sarcasm*, we allow a spy in our region.

Today, it's letting a spy in our region, and tomorrow it's becoming best buddies with The Internationale.

Blahb, can you knock it off?

It's not a spy if you know exactly who he is, where he's from, and why he's here. He happens to be from a region that we've had an alliance with for a very long time.

Neo, just...stick to warring with the totalitarians; you're really good at that, and we need that. Meanwhile, I'll stick to making peace with the libertarians, as that is my niche. Don't go making our diplomats feel unwelcome, now.

And i'll just.. go back to being my goofy self. :)

Oh, and do Manager stuff..

So, when can we announce intent to run for a board seat, and when do elections begin?

Any time but elections aren't for two more weeks.

The New United States wrote:Got it. Thanks.

Are you in a party?

The Time Alliance wrote:Are you in a party?

Indeed, I am.

I'm in the LP, and I served one term as seat 5, with the RLP.

Humpheria wrote:Liberty Front?

That's me. [nation=short]The Liberty Front[/nation] was my secondary nation.

I decided to move my main nation, [nation=short]The New United States[/nation], to Libertatem, as I like it here.

Why'd you party switch?

Humpheria wrote:Any time but elections aren't for two more weeks.

Wow 2 weeks? It feels like this term has gone on for a while. Perhaps because we have actually done stuff this term, which I like.

The New United States wrote:That's me. [nation=short]The Liberty Front[/nation] was my secondary nation.

I decided to move my main nation, [nation=short]The New United States[/nation], to Libertatem, as I like it here.

Humpheria wrote:Why'd you party switch?

Yeah man, RLP for life!

Republic Of Minerva wrote:Who is on atm?

Am I showing my ignorance if I tell you I don't know what "atm" is?

Lack There Of wrote:Am I showing my ignorance if I tell you I don't know what "atm" is?

At the moment.

Lack There Of wrote:Am I showing my ignorance if I tell you I don't know what "atm" is?

at the moment

45 minutes...

be there. Or be square. ;)

Why be here in 45?

Republic Of Minerva wrote:45 minutes...

be there. Or be square. ;)

Be where?

All these questions and so few answers

Lack There Of wrote:All these questions and so few answers
life.

Ankhora wrote:Why be here in 45?

Maybe we're having a surprise party... Whose birthday is coming up?

Muh Roads wrote:life.

That was deep... Like a well

Mine's not til May.. :p

Lack There Of wrote:Maybe we're having a surprise party... Whose birthday is coming up?

Mines July 9, so not me.

Muh Roads wrote:Mine's not til May.. :p

What day in May?

True story, I was born on April 1st. I guess that's why I'm one of those Libertarian FOOLS

*reads mind* May ..... 88th.

Lack There Of wrote:That was deep... Like a well

But only filled with more water. Most of it salty.

Muh Roads wrote:Haha the 16th

Mine is May 13th.

Happy early berfder everybody!

Ankhora wrote:*reads mind* May ..... 88th.

My favorite day of the year right there

Humpheria wrote:Happy early berfder everybody!

You too! Or maybe its late I dunno

I'm a (close to) Halloween dude. October 26.

Lack There Of wrote:True story, I was born on April 1st. I guess that's why I'm one of those Libertarian FOOLS

My parent's anniversary is on april first.

IT MUST BE A SHAM.

I have signed the VETO Act, and will soon likely introduce a presidential impeachment bill.

[B]Official Redress of Executive Power to the Office of the President[/B]

Section One, Subsection Three of the Constitution of Libertatem

"The Board shall have the authority to declare war, create peace, and check the power of the President when it deems fit through petition and redress, as well as a popular vote among the various Board Members and Managers."

As such, the members of the elected Board hereby redress the Office of the President. This redress is involving the employment of The Neo-Confederate States Of America as this region's Manager of Military Affairs. We hereby respectfully request that the President remove him from office effective immediately. The Manager has shown countless times that he is not fit for an office of that esteem. While we commend the Manager's devotion to our cause for freedom, we equally acknowledge his unforgivable mistakes.

Firstly, he has acted in a manner unfitting of his status. He has been a detriment to regional affairs by insulting a foreign dignitary and furthering the division of our citizens since the events of the raid on Communist Beach.

Secondly, he has shown other regions a picture of a ruthless military state in his relentless raiding of various regions.

Thirdly, he has ignored recently passed laws, ARMA. This is shown in his actions during the events of the Communist Beach raid.

We feel that it is important to show that all actions have consequences, especially for those who hold such high office. This has been decided upon by a majority vote. We feel that this would be the best course of action for the good of our region.

This constitutional redress has been approved by the Board for review by the people, and action by the President of Libertatem.

Signed,

[B]Lack There Of[/B]

Ronald Reagan And Rick Grimes

Alchandria

Humpheria

Miencraft

Bold- Author and proposer of redress

Well didn't see that one coming. I'm going to watch things unfold before i make any decisions on my end.

We didn't want to say anything until we finished debating and everyone was in agreement one way or another. This was a hard decision.

I'm quite puzzled by this sudden condemnation of Neo-Confederate. I'll address your complaints, which are quite absurd.

Firstly, Neo-Con had no involvement in the Communist Beach raid. I know this for a fact as his WA was stationed elsewhere.

Secondly, the task of the Manager of Military Affairs is to coordinate raids and other operations in the name of the region. And he's done so extremely well. Libertatem's position in foreign affairs has been strengthened exponentially since his appointment to the office, and has scarcely abused his powers in ways previous Managers have done. He has aided in the destruction of fascist and communist regions alike, and has refounded countless regions for the cause of liberty. He has shown other regions a picture of strength.

Thirdly, I agree that this was completely inappropriate, but I guarantee he will not treat foreign emissaries this way in the future. Regardless, it is by no means grounds for terminating employment, especially when he has been such a productive Manager.

I detest this motion but at the same time I'm afraid that I must comply with it. I ask of the Board to reconsider this case, and if they are still unanimously supportive of Manager Neo-Confederate's termination, then I will acquiesce to the Chairman's demands.

If this is passed, who will take his place?

Pevvania wrote:I'm quite puzzled by this sudden condemnation of Neo-Confederate. I'll address your complaints, which are quite absurd.

Firstly, Neo-Con had no involvement in the Communist Beach raid. I know this for a fact as his WA was stationed elsewhere.

He was the one who recruited me for that raid.

Alchandria wrote:He was the one who recruited me for that raid.

Then shouldn't you be punished, too? And Minerva? And TTA? Many of us made mistakes during the CB fiasco, but I don't see how Blahb had any real involvement in it either way. The Chairman's statement is also vague concerning how exactly he violated ARMA.

Hallo Island wrote:If this is passed, who will take his place?

If I am forced to discharge Neo-Confederate, then I will appoint [nation=short]The Republic of Minerva[/nation] to replace him.

Presidential Pardon

All those involved in the fiasco at Communist Beach have now been issued a [B]Presidential Pardon[/B]. It is in the opinion of the President that all involved made mistakes, but it is best for the health of the region and the continued unity amongst the populace that we put this matter behind us. [nation=short]The Time Alliance[/nation]'s citizenship will remain revoked, pending further review by the Department of Internal Affairs.

Well for one TTA went directly against us

Firstly, these are not my words, they are the Board's collectively.

Secondly, Lack has said that he is to blame and did not follow ARMA because the Manager must approve all military raids, freelancing.

Thirdly, we are not wishing to further debate the Communist Beach fiasco, we only wish to hold our government accountable. We feel unanimously that he is not fit for the job, but in the end, Mr. President, the decision is yours.

Hallo Island wrote:Well for one TTA went directly against us

Can we not start this again? I've gotten to the point that even though I am disappointed in the President's decision, it's time to just drop it.

Humpheria wrote:Firstly, these are not my words, they are the Board's collectively.

Secondly, Lack has said that he is to blame and did not follow ARMA because the Manager must approve all military raids, freelancing.

Thirdly, we are not wishing to further debate the Communist Beach fiasco, we only wish to hold our government accountable. We feel unanimously that he is not fit for the job, but in the end, Mr. President, the decision is yours.

2. Clearly he must have approved the raid since Alchandria was recruited by him for it.

3. I will consult with the Attorney-General on this matter.

Humpheria wrote:Can we not start this again? I've gotten to the point that even though I am disappointed in the President's decision, it's time to just drop it.

I will not be so forgiving the next time this happens.

Pevvania wrote:2. Clearly he must have approved the raid since Alchandria was recruited by him for it.

Which is why he is being held to blame for involvement. While your pardon excuses legal action, it does not excuse accountability by our military commander.

So, Mr. President, did the Manager of Military Affairs have "no involvement, as you said at first, or did he authorize it, as you later say?

If the former, then it was not an official Libertatine military operation, and TTA did not fight against a legitimate Libertatine raiding party, therefore, he is guilty of nothing.

If the latter, then the Manager should be held accountable, not just TTA.

The New United States wrote:So, Mr. President, did the Manager of Military Affairs have "no involvement, as you said at first, or did he authorize it, as you later say?

If the former, then it was not an official Libertatine military operation, and TTA did not fight against a legitimate Libertatine raiding party, therefore, he is guilty of nothing.

Not commenting on TTA, but if he approved it at all he is accountable because he approved Libertaten military freelancing.

Alchandria wrote:I smell bias.

How so?

The New United States wrote:So, Mr. President, did the Manager of Military Affairs have "no involvement, as you said at first, or did he authorize it, as you later say?

If the former, then it was not an official Libertatine military operation, and TTA did not fight against a legitimate Libertatine raiding party, therefore, he is guilty of nothing.

If the latter, then the Manager should be held accountable, not just TTA.

My point is that he was involved enough to approve the raid but not so involved that he was responsible for the military failure there.

Pevvania wrote:My point is that he was involved enough to approve the raid but not so involved that he was responsible for the military failure there.

Not the military failure, the raid in general. And the PR disaster to follow.

Humpheria wrote:Not the military failure, the raid in general. And the PR disaster to follow.

That's what I mean, he had very little to do with the planning and execution of the raid.

I have dropped charges against any citizen(s) of Libertatem. [Nation]No Borders[/nation] will be prosecuted.

Post self-deleted by Pevvania.

Ankhora wrote:I have dropped charges against any citizen(s) of Libertatem. [Nation]No Borders[/nation] will be prosecuted.

No Borders is Minerva...

Im with Pev on this one, everyone made mistakes and Neo-con has been doing an excellent job thusfar in my opinion.

Also, I am going to make decision considering TTAs citizenship tonight. I will relay my decision to Pev for his input on the matter before any final decisions are made.

Ok. Im giving this one up to CB officials and what they want.

I personally lean with Pev. But it's my job to defend the decision of the Board. It wasn't a tie, so I didn't vote. But I signed it because the Board wanted it. So, our original redress stands. Mr. President, you may do as you please.

Fine. How about you TTA?

I'm doing great. My band just went to LGPE event where we are graded. Waiting for our grade.

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