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The Blue Fire wrote:i wouldn't be surprised at all, but do you have a source? this is the first i've heard of it

https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/

Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Friedens Reich, Oakgall

Tuesh wrote:https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/

thank you. i'm a little surprised that's not bigger news

of course, i don't really check the news much, but i feel like i should have heard of it by now

Typica, Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Friedens Reich, Tuesh

The Blue Fire wrote:taking stuff from ai and calling your own is gross and should be shunned, but i don't see a problem with just talking (or using it like i do, to bounce ideas of off it or simply see what it comes up with for fun)

Adding onto this, using AI to [I]help you[/I] throw ideas at a wall for something (as long as paraphrasing and/or citations are heavily used) is fine [I]as long as it does not use someone else's work without their consent.[/I] Unfortunately, all major AI models are trained off internet scrapers that don't care whether it's a news article or a copyrighted story that took months to write :/ (this has been said like 20 times already in like 8 different ways but idk)

and by the way, AI sources [I]can[/I] cite their sources. www.perplexity.ai is an example of that, although it might be just about the only one.

Silliy wrote:are chatbots ok? like c.ai?

Chatbots are fine imo as a concept although they can be quite unethical. Both in the "internet-scraping" sense and the "this-bot-was-trained-on-twitter-to-say-racial-slurs" sense. just make sure you know where the data is being sourced. in c.ai's case I think it's mainly local data collection (you have to train your bot extensively on its own to get it to do what you want) and so should be mostly ethical

I personally use an AI storymaker thing that reads what you've put in and spits out how it thinks the story would continue. While I have many problems with it (like it being pretty bad at actually, y'know, telling stories sometimes), the ethics is not necessarily one of them, because the older models are trained on just the data on the site and some stories likely put in at the beginning to fuel this. Now, the newer models are mainstream LLMs, which suck, but the older models are good ethics-wise.

Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Yondoria wrote:How do I get my map spot back?

I think you have to telegram Sylh Alanor. If it's already been reoccupied by another country, that will probably be more complicated and I wouldn't have a clue.

Chacapoya, Portmanteau, Jazur, Tuluni

Tuluni wrote:none that arent fandom specific, but https://theuselessweb.com/ and https://www.boredbutton.com/ are good websites to visit

you could also make an ai based off of yourself. it's not usually the best though :/

I can't even imagine what this would entail. Do you mean a generated image or ....what data of yours would you train it on?

Tuluni

Professor Neil Postman's work are the benchmark for evaluating developing technologies:

His "5 Things to Know about Technology" are an excellent framework for priming and educating folks, and his "5 Questions" I think should be used by governing bodies, social services, ethical watch-dogs, and mental /public health officials to guide debate and decisions.

1. Culture always pays a price for technology.

[e.g. cars and pollution (and many other less obvious examples).

2. There are always winners and losers in a technological change.

3. Every technology embodies a philosophy, an epistemological, political or social prejudice.

[ The printing press de-values the oral tradition.

4. Technological change is not additive, it is ecological.

[The invention of the printing press in Europe, did not create “old Europe + the printing press”. It created a new and different Europe.]

5. Technology becomes mythic, it becomes seen as part of the natural order of things.

[Digital natives vs pre-internet / pre-PC humans. Pre and Post Electric world]

Tiralta wrote:AI can be a great tool (I read about an AI that's been trained to scan cell shapes to spot cancer earlier) but imo the most easily accessible ones are unethical. We can't tell what's trained them, and some people are using it to write articles or create images and post them as fact so it's getting harder and harder to actually know what is real online. There are certainly ethical ways to go about language learning tools, and I am sure they must have their uses. I just don't love that anything I put online can become content without my knowledge.

Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall

Neil Postman's "5 Questions We Should Ask About New Technology" I think should be used by governing bodies, social services, ethical watch-dogs, and mental /public health officials to guide debate and decisions.

1. What is the problem to which this technology is a solution?

2. Whose problem is it?

3. What new problems might be created by solving the original problem?

4. ***Which people and what institutions will be most seriously harmed by this new technology?***

5. What changes in language are being forced by these new technologies?

6. ***What sort of people and institutions gain special economic and political power from this new technology?***

A clever librarian says we should also ask 7. How Fragile is It and Who can fix it when it breaks?

I think this is a subset of Questions 4 and 6: Who will be at the mercy of the companies / repair workers(AI/robots/machinery), and how can that super-specialized knowledge be exploited ?

"[Reparability. When there is a problem with your piece of technology can you fix it or must you consult a specialist (a “genius” perhaps)? A device that can be easily damaged and not easily repaired is one where a person does not truly have possession of the device, they must always be aware that should something go wrong THEY WILL BE POWERLESS without the help of that specialized technician.

The seventh question serves a helpful reminder that though the power systems (economic and social) represented by a given piece of technology may appear as ominous monoliths the devices themselves are not nearly as solid. Granted, planned obsolescence is the tech industry’s own “rock” with which older pieces of tech are smashed to drive consumers into buying new items. At which point the questions are asked anew."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlfPhsrvtw

Ban Oldern wrote:Adding onto this, using AI to [I]help you[/I] throw ideas at a wall for something (as long as paraphrasing and/or citations are heavily used) is fine [I]as long as it does not use someone else's work without their consent.[/I] Unfortunately, all major AI models are trained off internet scrapers that don't care whether it's a news article or a copyrighted story that took months to write :/ (this has been said like 20 times already in like 8 different ways but idk)

and by the way, AI sources [I]can[/I] cite their sources. www.perplexity.ai is an example of that, although it might be just about the only one.

Chatbots are fine imo as a concept although they can be quite unethical. Both in the "internet-scraping" sense and the "this-bot-was-trained-on-twitter-to-say-racial-slurs" sense. just make sure you know where the data is being sourced. in c.ai's case I think it's mainly local data collection (you have to train your bot extensively on its own to get it to do what you want) and so should be mostly ethical

I personally use an AI storymaker thing that reads what you've put in and spits out how it thinks the story would continue. While I have many problems with it (like it being pretty bad at actually, y'know, telling stories sometimes), the ethics is not necessarily one of them, because the older models are trained on just the data on the site and some stories likely put in at the beginning to fuel this. Now, the newer models are mainstream LLMs, which suck, but the older models are good ethics-wise.

Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall

Friedens Reich wrote:I can't even imagine what this would entail. Do you mean a generated image or ....what data of yours would you train it on?

Character.ai has a character creation feature where you basically give it a name, a description, a few words to describe it, and (this is optional) how it would talk to you.

How it would talk to you examples would be like:

Character: Howdy! How are you on this fine evening?

Person: I'm fine, thanks

C: Well that's just fine and dandy

You could really get into as much detail as you want because it has a pretty high character limit on the boxes but if you're not very detailed it's not the best. Still fun though!

The Blue Fire

Great news! I am pleased to report that there is a new edition of the legendary Western Digital newspaper:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2002370

Please give it your attention and support

The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Nahelia, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Diamontia

Refuge Isle wrote:... It puts us in a difficult situation because the only available "solution" is to put up walls that stop people from being able to see ...

How timely a creator I enjoy just posted his summary of Yancey Strickler's "Dark Forest theory of the Internet" which predicted this general behavior back in 2019.

Tuluni, The Blue Fire

Refuge Isle wrote:because of people stealing it and saying it's theirs, [...]all while being sold as a subscription service.

people can be so damn horrible

Typica, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Deg0Od

Refuge Isle wrote:[spoiler=new edition of the legendary Western Digital newspaper:]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2002370[/spoiler]

"Over three hundred dockworkers found themselves out of a job this week, as the SeaTop Point to the Sea shipping company discovered that the county was landlocked, and had been for the previous seventy-five million years."

Comedy gold, there. Thank you

Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Sinzalia, Deg0Od

I wonder what happens when you ask Chat GPT to cite its sources? Hmmmmm.

Ban Oldern wrote:Adding onto this, using AI to [I]help you[/I] throw ideas at a wall for something (as long as paraphrasing and/or citations are heavily used) is fine [I]as long as it does not use someone else's work without their consent.[/I] Unfortunately, all major AI models are trained off internet scrapers that don't care whether it's a news article or a copyrighted story that took months to write :/ (this has been said like 20 times already in like 8 different ways but idk)

and by the way, AI sources [I]can[/I] cite their sources. www.perplexity.ai is an example of that, although it might be just about the only one.

Chatbots are fine imo as a concept although they can be quite unethical. Both in the "internet-scraping" sense and the "this-bot-was-trained-on-twitter-to-say-racial-slurs" sense. just make sure you know where the data is being sourced. in c.ai's case I think it's mainly local data collection (you have to train your bot extensively on its own to get it to do what you want) and so should be mostly ethical

I personally use an AI storymaker thing that reads what you've put in and spits out how it thinks the story would continue. While I have many problems with it (like it being pretty bad at actually, y'know, telling stories sometimes), the ethics is not necessarily one of them, because the older models are trained on just the data on the site and some stories likely put in at the beginning to fuel this. Now, the newer models are mainstream LLMs, which suck, but the older models are good ethics-wise.

Tuluni, Tuesh

In the future, do y’all think i should make my economy completely socialist or continue to tolerate private industry with my current mixed economy model.

Typica, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern

Tuesh wrote:In the future, do y’all think i should make my economy completely socialist or continue to tolerate private industry with my current mixed economy model.

Second one

Typica, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:In the future, do y’all think i should make my economy completely socialist or continue to tolerate private industry with my current mixed economy model.

Socialism is best!

Typica, Tiralta, Duneraven, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:In the future, do y’all think i should make my economy completely socialist or continue to tolerate private industry with my current mixed economy model.

Go completely socialist, and then optionally make monopolies in other countries by buying up a bunch of businesses (not sure if this is an issue yet, and if it's not imma start writing... eventually)

Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Imsalia wrote:what're you looking for

just whatevs, I don’t care

Tuluni, Tuesh

Silliy wrote:just whatevs, I don’t care

Gojo.

Superpower ones like any of em.

The highschool ones (which i usually destroy)

idk

Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Issues be like:

(TW: Death)

[Spoiler]Recently, a controversy has been brewing, some proponents say we shouldn't kill poor people, but many are disagreeing.

"Leader, I am from megacorp 5000, You must let us kill poor people, after all if you don't the economy will suffer, and plus we have the best interests of business, and plus it wil- erm I mean it won't harm people, after all who doesn't want more business?"

Accept

"Leader, says optimistic socialist blogger in the north province, the death of any human, especially the most misfortunate is bad, we must prevent the death of our worst off and provide resources to help them and help them become better, we all are human after all!"

Accept (clicked)

Manufacturing (Down by 50%) Economic output (Down by 30%) Quality of life (Down by 40%) Average income (Down by 20%)[/spoiler]

New Equanimia, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca

The paper airplanes that have been entered into the competition so far have been added to the dispatch!

There are still four days to go!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2001381

Chacapoya, Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Melun, Tuesh

We've probably all heard terms like "socialist", "communist", or "fascist" thrown around willy-nilly because of a lack of understanding of the terms or a blatant disregard for what they actually mean.

What is the most ridiculous country, political party/organization, or person you've seen labeled with one of these terms or something similar?

Chacapoya, Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

i give up.

thats my entry by the way!

Sylh Alanor

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Imsalia wrote:

i give up.

thats my entry by the way!

Sylh Alanor

You might have forgotten the airplane

Chacapoya, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh

Imsalia wrote:

i give up.

thats my entry by the way!

How in the world am I able to edit it?

Chacapoya, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Pantumaca, Tuesh

How are you guys talking so late/early!?!? It is like 2am ET when your talking

Tuluni, Tuesh

Chacapoya, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh

Gathadia wrote:How are you guys talking so late/early!?!? It is like 2am ET when your talking

We all live in different time zones and some just are night owls

Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Gathadia, Tuesh

Hello I'm Lokisi I'm new here!

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Oakgall, Tuesh

Gathadia wrote:How are you guys talking so late/early!?!? It is like 2am ET when your talking

It is hard to believe, but not all internet users are on the east coast of the USA, or even in north America! For example here in the UK it is currently 3pm.

At the bottom of this dispatch is a handy dandy timezone map of what timezones our community members live in. It's a year old but probably still broadly applicable.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1814042

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Oakgall, Gathadia, Tuesh, Elucubria

why wasn't there a 2023 census?

Tuluni, Pantumaca, Tuesh

Lokisi wrote:Hello I'm Lokisi I'm new here!

Welcome to Refugia!

Yondoria, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh

hello everybody, I just moved to Refugia!

Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, Villagers Uninted, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh

Microwaviington wrote:hello everybody, I just moved to Refugia!

Welcome to Refugia as well! Nice to see newcomers talking on the board :>

Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Melenavenia wrote:We've probably all heard terms like "socialist", "communist", or "fascist" thrown around willy-nilly because of a lack of understanding of the terms or a blatant disregard for what they actually mean.

What is the most ridiculous country, political party/organization, or person you've seen labeled with one of these terms or something similar?

My mother thinks that the US Democratic Party is a socialist organization. She also once said that Tucker Carlson is “too much of a leftist for her.”

Melenavenia, St Leone, Yondoria, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh

The Blue Fire wrote:why wasn't there a 2023 census?

Because I was sad at the time and the censuses take a lot of work and mental energy

Chacapoya, Araine, Portmanteau, St Leone, Yondoria, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh, Elucubria

Refuge Isle wrote:Because I was sad at the time and the censuses take a lot of work and mental energy

that is an extremely valid reason

do you think there will be one this year? i like looking at statistics (number :3)

Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Araine wrote:My mother thinks that the US Democratic Party is a socialist organization. She also once said that Tucker Carlson is “too much of a leftist for her.”
The democrats are literally funding the far right, don’t know why people think they’re socialists.

Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern

The Blue Fire wrote:that is an extremely valid reason

do you think there will be one this year? i like looking at statistics (number :3)

Pretty likely, especially if things are active during census times. I've often tried to run censuses in November because it was a more active time in the chat, but that average was set many years ago, and there might be a better time of year to run it these days.

Edit: Older censuses ('13-'20) are here if you're at all interested: https://forum.calref.ca/index.php?topic=196.0, also '21: https://forum.calref.ca/index.php?topic=201.0

Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh

Melenavenia wrote:We've probably all heard terms like "socialist", "communist", or "fascist" thrown around willy-nilly because of a lack of understanding of the terms or a blatant disregard for what they actually mean.

What is the most ridiculous country, political party/organization, or person you've seen labeled with one of these terms or something similar?

I was once called a fascist for, get this, stating that I find genocide to be reprehensible. I was 10. He was a 60 something year old man.

[spoiler]It was my stepmom’s dad who said it, my dad and stepmom lived with my stepmom’s parents at the time and I was there for the weekend. I didn’t have a bedroom, or even a bed, I slept on the couch, and her dad did nothing but watch Fox News all day. I didn’t have anywhere to go to avoid it.

There was some news story where they were talking about the Holocaust and something was said that cast Hitler in a surprisingly positive light.

So I commented on it, said Hitler was evil and genocide is never okay.

The mean old man in the corner got angry, called me a fascist, and said I’d been brainwashed by the public school system and needed to go to church more.

He was really quite racist, antisemitic, and Islamophobic. I remember when the 2011 earthquake and tsunami hit Japan he said they deserved it. Wrath of God and all that.

I didn’t like him.[/spoiler]

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Zerphen, Araine, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh

I think my planes ain't gonna fly in this competition.

My plan(es) won't get off the ground.

Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Imsalia wrote:I think my planes ain't gonna fly in this competition.

My plan(es) won't get off the ground.

it'll fly if you believe in the power of sabotaging other planes friendship!

Araine, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Salutations, good nations of Refugia! 'Tis I, Inaros OPA. To be honest, I completely forgot about this site and only recently rediscovered it. Having been resurrected from the brink of nonexistence, I shall now continue my quest to become the most nonreligious country in the world!

Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Oakgall, Tuesh, Microwaviington

What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

Araine, Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

Just “leftist.”

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

General far-leftist. I'm on the fence between libertarian and authoritarian. While I believe that most people are naturally good, some powerful people tend towards evil and need to be kept in check with extremely strong laws. While I personally am an atheist, I believe that religion can potentially be good for society because it offers guidance in times of uncertainty. I try to not put myself in any boxes politically except I know I am on the far-left portion of the spectrum.

Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Elucubria

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

i'm not sure... i believe in some socialist values (helping people who can't help themselves, and subsidised healthcare)... but also, capitalist (right wing) values are also valid, such as corporations not being bad for society. However, that's only to a point. People who exploit others under the guise of corporation should be rightfully punished. Also, socialism is also only good to a point, with an overly large system being too bureaucratic and bloated.

Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Araine’s population now exceeds that of earth.

Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Duneraven, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Forgo Regia, Tuesh, Microwaviington, Elucubria

Inaros Opa wrote:Salutations, good nations of Refugia! 'Tis I, Inaros OPA. To be honest, I completely forgot about this site and only recently rediscovered it. Having been resurrected from the brink of nonexistence, I shall now continue my quest to become the most nonreligious country in the world!

Welcome baaaaaaaack!

Araine, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh

Sylh Alanor wrote:Welcome baaaaaaaack!

Thanks! This time I promise I won't cease to exist.

Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

still call myself syndicalist even though I know it's technically not entirely accurate. additional labels include "excessively jaded news-watcher" and "a whydoweneedpartyaffiliationsfortheboardofeducationist"

Typica, Araine, Inaros Opa, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

Ultimately a communist (I find the extreme fractalisation of the left to be the thing keeping us from making actual progress) but I'd be happy with almost any flavour of socialism at this point. So I generally just refer to myself as a leftist for solidarity purposes.

Typica, Araine, Inaros Opa, Duneraven, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

Irish nationalist :p

But yeah, just leftist.

Typica, Araine, Inaros Opa, Duneraven, Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Libertarian Socialist would be close, so let's go with that.

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

Also a Libertarian Socialist. I can see how the idea of capitalism's free markets can grant freedom in the consumer, however I feel they keep to much a competitive stance, especially how they can be used to a corporation's gain or profit. I also am in flavour some form of a trotskyist, with international co-operation and the world revolution. The fractured state of the left nowadays really concerns me. I also like the idea of a form Meritocracy as well.

Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

Same thing prolly

Tuluni, Tuesh

My furniture restoration is at -14. Are we destroying furniture? What did it do to deserve this?

Araine, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Villagers Uninted, Estebere, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Lbaniya, Oakgall, Gathadia, Tuesh, Elucubria

mine's at negative 13 (we can destroy furniture together :3)

also in the negatives for my nation is: arms manufacturing automobile manufacturing basket weaving beverage sales gambling insurance mining pizza delivery retail and finally, timber woodchipping

i have massive IT stat though so if anyone needs any electronics fixed you know where to go

Inaros Opa, Villagers Uninted, Tuluni, Lbaniya, Oakgall, Tuesh

I have a -7 public education, we spread misinformation

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.

anarchist. I wish for the peaceful disso'ution of all forms of hierarchy, both po'itical and social, inc'uding the concepts of currency and "natural" hierarchies. I see democratic confedera'ism as a reasonable transitionary state between the current ethnonationa'ism and this envisioned state of multicultural, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs," togetherness.

I could've just 'eft it at anarchist, but where would be the c'arity in that?

Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, Tuesh

Jazur why are using an Apostrophe instead of the letter L unless if it’s the last letter of a word?

Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh

Zalor wrote:Jazur why are using an Apostrophe instead of the letter L unless if it’s the last letter of a word?

fr!

Tuluni, Tuesh

Jazur wrote:anarchist. I wish for the peaceful disso'ution of all forms of hierarchy, both po'itical and social, inc'uding the concepts of currency and "natural" hierarchies. I see democratic confedera'ism as a reasonable transitionary state between the current ethnonationa'ism and this envisioned state of multicultural, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs," togetherness.

I could've just 'eft it at anarchist, but where would be the c'arity in that?

I've been so inspired by democratic confederalism since AANES was established. I was able to write a report on the ideology for a class last term and it was so nice to learn more about an ideology that was specific to the needs and culture of the region.

Chacapoya, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Aseanindia, Tuesh

All my industries aside from basket weaving and book publishing are below 0. I plant trees, put diamonds in caves and disassemble weapons and war machines.

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Just passed 3 billion citizens!

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Aseanindia, Tuesh, Microwaviington

i just smashed 3 billion citizens /j

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Aseanindia, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Lanassia wrote:All my industries aside from basket weaving and book publishing are below 0. I plant trees, put diamonds in caves and disassemble weapons and war machines.
I defund my defense sector every chance I get

Jazur wrote:anarchist. I wish for the peaceful disso'ution of all forms of hierarchy, both po'itical and social, inc'uding the concepts of currency and "natural" hierarchies. I see democratic confedera'ism as a reasonable transitionary state between the current ethnonationa'ism and this envisioned state of multicultural, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs," togetherness.

I could've just 'eft it at anarchist, but where would be the c'arity in that?

I generally think socialism should be in a general peaceful way, through diverse means, by diverse peoples, I believe that through the power of cooperation, protest, trust, strikes and civil disobedience, bottom-up socialism can be built, but as MLK said, "Those who make a nonviolent revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable".

Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern

Imsalia wrote:i just smashed 3 billion citizens /j

how could you possibly afford 3 billion copies of super smash bros??? and not give us any?????

Inaros Opa, Villagers Uninted, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Tuluni wrote:how could you possibly afford 3 billion copies of super smash bros??? and not give us any?????

whoops

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Imsalia wrote:i just smashed 3 billion citizens /j

just out of curiosity, what kind of hammer did you use

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Ban Oldern wrote:just out of curiosity, what kind of hammer did you use

Sledgehammer

Inaros Opa, Villagers Uninted, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Imsalia wrote:Sledgehammer

what type of sledge hammer can hit 3 billion people and not break?

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Tuluni wrote:My furniture restoration is at -14. Are we destroying furniture? What did it do to deserve this?

We here in Estebere only make new furniture look horrible.

Want some furniture to destroy?

Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington

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Is the PASA passport thing in WA Is real, are there real citizens ,and how can I issue passports in my nation to my citizens Refugia

Northwest Pacific

Inaros Opa, Jazur, Tuluni, Tuesh

Aseanindia wrote:Is the PASA passport thing in WA Is real, are there real citizens ,and how can I issue passports in my nation to my citizens Refugia

Northwest Pacific

Typica

Sylh Alanor

Inaros Opa, Tuluni

Aseanindia wrote:Is the PASA passport thing in WA Is real, are there real citizens ,and how can I issue passports in my nation to my citizens

General assembly resolutions only affect in-game stats, so no, there isn’t a “real” PASA, but you could design a passport template for your own nation and put it in a factbook if you wanted.

Edit: also don’t ping people just because you didn’t get a reply in 2 minutes.

Typica, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Aseanindia, Tuesh, Elucubria

Estebere wrote:We here in Estebere only make new furniture look horrible.

Want some furniture to destroy?

Yes please! We'll give you some :3 in return

Inaros Opa, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Tuesh

anyone else not able to use forums?

Chacapoya, Tuluni, Tuesh

Villagers Uninted wrote:what type of sledge hammer can hit 3 billion people and not break?

rhode island sized sledgehammer

Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington

Araine wrote:General assembly resolutions only affect in-game stats, so no, there isn’t a “real” PASA, but you could design a passport template for your own nation and put it in a factbook if you wanted.

Edit: also don’t ping people just because you didn’t get a reply in 2 minutes.

I will remember not to ping sorry

Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh

Silliy wrote:anyone else not able to use forums?
The mods block you from the forums you are under 13, that may be why you can't use them.

Tuluni

Zalor wrote:Jazur why are using an Apostrophe instead of the letter L unless if it’s the last letter of a word?

I've got a speech impediment, and this is a casual chat area, so it's easier for me to type stuff and read over it if I type it this way

Typica, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh

Sylh Alanor wrote:I've been so inspired by democratic confederalism since AANES was established. I was able to write a report on the ideology for a class last term and it was so nice to learn more about an ideology that was specific to the needs and culture of the region.

Yes! I think it's very interesting and nice

I hope that they continue to thrive

Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Tuesh wrote:I defund my defense sector every chance I get

I am not even trying to do that consciously (though I support the idea of abolishing it, and lorewise my nation doesn't even need defense forces) and it's still well below 0, so I guess my nation has no armed forces whatsoever.

Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Sinzalia, Tuesh

Silliy wrote:anyone else not able to use forums?

They were down for a bit but they should be back up now

Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire

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Consider voting if you have not done so already: https://vote.calref.ca/vote/62

There is only one day left to turn in a paper airplane for the paper airplane event

Consider making a dispatch if you have not done so already

Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Tuesh

If anyone's still looking for inspiration on paper plane designs, check out this site, it has a lot of designs with instructions you can follow! https://www.paperairplaneshq.com/index.html

Chacapoya, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Tuesh

Damn I got a nomination for best nsplayer? How tf?

Chacapoya, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Pantumaca, Tuesh, Elucubria

Imsalia wrote:Damn I got a nomination for best nsplayer? How tf?

There’s an award for best NS player??????

Chacapoya, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Tuesh

just banned aircraft for a 12% increase in public transportation

Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Silliy wrote:There’s an award for best NS player??????

THIS DISPATCH!

Typica, Portmanteau, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh

Imsalia wrote:THIS DISPATCH!

Hell yeah, a fine representative for Refugia

Typica, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2004500

Sylh Alanor

THEY ARE APPROACHING IMMINENTLY

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Jazur wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2004500

Sylh Alanor

THEY ARE APPROACHING IMMINENTLY

hi where can I buy like 1000

Chacapoya, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Heinfield, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

Jazur wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2004500

Sylh Alanor

THEY ARE APPROACHING IMMINENTLY

EXCELLENT

Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_star_enpire/detail=factbook/id=2004585

Sylh Alanor

I made a thing.

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh

Another brilliant idea, straight from the mind of our glorious Grandee!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2004586

Sylh Alanor

Chacapoya, Typica, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh

THE AIR FARCE IS ARRIVING

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Tay-Mania wrote:just banned aircraft for a 12% increase in public transportation

HELL YEAH

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