Post Archive
Region: Refugia
https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/
Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Friedens Reich, Oakgall
thank you. i'm a little surprised that's not bigger news
of course, i don't really check the news much, but i feel like i should have heard of it by now
Typica, Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Friedens Reich, Tuesh
Adding onto this, using AI to [I]help you[/I] throw ideas at a wall for something (as long as paraphrasing and/or citations are heavily used) is fine [I]as long as it does not use someone else's work without their consent.[/I] Unfortunately, all major AI models are trained off internet scrapers that don't care whether it's a news article or a copyrighted story that took months to write :/ (this has been said like 20 times already in like 8 different ways but idk)
and by the way, AI sources [I]can[/I] cite their sources. www.perplexity.ai is an example of that, although it might be just about the only one.
Chatbots are fine imo as a concept although they can be quite unethical. Both in the "internet-scraping" sense and the "this-bot-was-trained-on-twitter-to-say-racial-slurs" sense. just make sure you know where the data is being sourced. in c.ai's case I think it's mainly local data collection (you have to train your bot extensively on its own to get it to do what you want) and so should be mostly ethical
I personally use an AI storymaker thing that reads what you've put in and spits out how it thinks the story would continue. While I have many problems with it (like it being pretty bad at actually, y'know, telling stories sometimes), the ethics is not necessarily one of them, because the older models are trained on just the data on the site and some stories likely put in at the beginning to fuel this. Now, the newer models are mainstream LLMs, which suck, but the older models are good ethics-wise.
Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
I think you have to telegram Sylh Alanor. If it's already been reoccupied by another country, that will probably be more complicated and I wouldn't have a clue.
Chacapoya, Portmanteau, Jazur, Tuluni
I can't even imagine what this would entail. Do you mean a generated image or ....what data of yours would you train it on?
Tuluni
Professor Neil Postman's work are the benchmark for evaluating developing technologies:
His "5 Things to Know about Technology" are an excellent framework for priming and educating folks, and his "5 Questions" I think should be used by governing bodies, social services, ethical watch-dogs, and mental /public health officials to guide debate and decisions.
1. Culture always pays a price for technology.
[e.g. cars and pollution (and many other less obvious examples).
2. There are always winners and losers in a technological change.
3. Every technology embodies a philosophy, an epistemological, political or social prejudice.
[ The printing press de-values the oral tradition.
4. Technological change is not additive, it is ecological.
[The invention of the printing press in Europe, did not create old Europe + the printing press. It created a new and different Europe.]
5. Technology becomes mythic, it becomes seen as part of the natural order of things.
[Digital natives vs pre-internet / pre-PC humans. Pre and Post Electric world]
Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall
Neil Postman's "5 Questions We Should Ask About New Technology" I think should be used by governing bodies, social services, ethical watch-dogs, and mental /public health officials to guide debate and decisions.
1. What is the problem to which this technology is a solution?
2. Whose problem is it?
3. What new problems might be created by solving the original problem?
4. ***Which people and what institutions will be most seriously harmed by this new technology?***
5. What changes in language are being forced by these new technologies?
6. ***What sort of people and institutions gain special economic and political power from this new technology?***
A clever librarian says we should also ask 7. How Fragile is It and Who can fix it when it breaks?
I think this is a subset of Questions 4 and 6: Who will be at the mercy of the companies / repair workers(AI/robots/machinery), and how can that super-specialized knowledge be exploited ?
"[Reparability. When there is a problem with your piece of technology can you fix it or must you consult a specialist (a genius perhaps)? A device that can be easily damaged and not easily repaired is one where a person does not truly have possession of the device, they must always be aware that should something go wrong THEY WILL BE POWERLESS without the help of that specialized technician.
The seventh question serves a helpful reminder that though the power systems (economic and social) represented by a given piece of technology may appear as ominous monoliths the devices themselves are not nearly as solid. Granted, planned obsolescence is the tech industrys own rock with which older pieces of tech are smashed to drive consumers into buying new items. At which point the questions are asked anew."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlfPhsrvtw
Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall
Character.ai has a character creation feature where you basically give it a name, a description, a few words to describe it, and (this is optional) how it would talk to you.
How it would talk to you examples would be like:
Character: Howdy! How are you on this fine evening?
Person: I'm fine, thanks
C: Well that's just fine and dandy
You could really get into as much detail as you want because it has a pretty high character limit on the boxes but if you're not very detailed it's not the best. Still fun though!
The Blue Fire
Great news! I am pleased to report that there is a new edition of the legendary Western Digital newspaper:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2002370
Please give it your attention and support
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Nahelia, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Diamontia
How timely a creator I enjoy just posted his summary of Yancey Strickler's "Dark Forest theory of the Internet" which predicted this general behavior back in 2019.
Tuluni, The Blue Fire
people can be so damn horrible
Typica, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Deg0Od
"Over three hundred dockworkers found themselves out of a job this week, as the SeaTop Point to the Sea shipping company discovered that the county was landlocked, and had been for the previous seventy-five million years."
Comedy gold, there. Thank you
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Sinzalia, Deg0Od
I wonder what happens when you ask Chat GPT to cite its sources? Hmmmmm.
Tuluni, Tuesh
In the future, do yall think i should make my economy completely socialist or continue to tolerate private industry with my current mixed economy model.
Typica, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern
Second one
Typica, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh
Socialism is best!
Typica, Tiralta, Duneraven, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
Go completely socialist, and then optionally make monopolies in other countries by buying up a bunch of businesses (not sure if this is an issue yet, and if it's not imma start writing... eventually)
Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
just whatevs, I dont care
Tuluni, Tuesh
Gojo.
Superpower ones like any of em.
The highschool ones (which i usually destroy)
idk
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
Issues be like:
(TW: Death)
[Spoiler]Recently, a controversy has been brewing, some proponents say we shouldn't kill poor people, but many are disagreeing.
"Leader, I am from megacorp 5000, You must let us kill poor people, after all if you don't the economy will suffer, and plus we have the best interests of business, and plus it wil- erm I mean it won't harm people, after all who doesn't want more business?"
Accept
"Leader, says optimistic socialist blogger in the north province, the death of any human, especially the most misfortunate is bad, we must prevent the death of our worst off and provide resources to help them and help them become better, we all are human after all!"
Accept (clicked)
Manufacturing (Down by 50%) Economic output (Down by 30%) Quality of life (Down by 40%) Average income (Down by 20%)[/spoiler]
New Equanimia, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
The paper airplanes that have been entered into the competition so far have been added to the dispatch!
There are still four days to go!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2001381
Chacapoya, Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Melun, Tuesh
We've probably all heard terms like "socialist", "communist", or "fascist" thrown around willy-nilly because of a lack of understanding of the terms or a blatant disregard for what they actually mean.
What is the most ridiculous country, political party/organization, or person you've seen labeled with one of these terms or something similar?
Chacapoya, Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
You might have forgotten the airplane
Chacapoya, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh
How in the world am I able to edit it?
Chacapoya, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Pantumaca, Tuesh
How are you guys talking so late/early!?!? It is like 2am ET when your talking
Tuluni, Tuesh
Chacapoya, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh
We all live in different time zones and some just are night owls
Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Gathadia, Tuesh
Hello I'm Lokisi I'm new here!
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Oakgall, Tuesh
It is hard to believe, but not all internet users are on the east coast of the USA, or even in north America! For example here in the UK it is currently 3pm.
At the bottom of this dispatch is a handy dandy timezone map of what timezones our community members live in. It's a year old but probably still broadly applicable.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1814042
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Oakgall, Gathadia, Tuesh, Elucubria
why wasn't there a 2023 census?
Tuluni, Pantumaca, Tuesh
Welcome to Refugia!
Yondoria, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh
hello everybody, I just moved to Refugia!
Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, Villagers Uninted, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh
Welcome to Refugia as well! Nice to see newcomers talking on the board :>
Araine, Yondoria, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
My mother thinks that the US Democratic Party is a socialist organization. She also once said that Tucker Carlson is too much of a leftist for her.
Melenavenia, St Leone, Yondoria, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh
Because I was sad at the time and the censuses take a lot of work and mental energy
Chacapoya, Araine, Portmanteau, St Leone, Yondoria, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh, Elucubria
that is an extremely valid reason
do you think there will be one this year? i like looking at statistics (number :3)
Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern
Pretty likely, especially if things are active during census times. I've often tried to run censuses in November because it was a more active time in the chat, but that average was set many years ago, and there might be a better time of year to run it these days.
Edit: Older censuses ('13-'20) are here if you're at all interested: https://forum.calref.ca/index.php?topic=196.0, also '21: https://forum.calref.ca/index.php?topic=201.0
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh
I was once called a fascist for, get this, stating that I find genocide to be reprehensible. I was 10. He was a 60 something year old man.
[spoiler]It was my stepmoms dad who said it, my dad and stepmom lived with my stepmoms parents at the time and I was there for the weekend. I didnt have a bedroom, or even a bed, I slept on the couch, and her dad did nothing but watch Fox News all day. I didnt have anywhere to go to avoid it.
There was some news story where they were talking about the Holocaust and something was said that cast Hitler in a surprisingly positive light.
So I commented on it, said Hitler was evil and genocide is never okay.
The mean old man in the corner got angry, called me a fascist, and said Id been brainwashed by the public school system and needed to go to church more.
He was really quite racist, antisemitic, and Islamophobic. I remember when the 2011 earthquake and tsunami hit Japan he said they deserved it. Wrath of God and all that.
I didnt like him.[/spoiler]
Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Zerphen, Araine, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh
I think my planes ain't gonna fly in this competition.
My plan(es) won't get off the ground.
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
it'll fly if you believe in the power of sabotaging other planes friendship!
Araine, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington
Salutations, good nations of Refugia! 'Tis I, Inaros OPA. To be honest, I completely forgot about this site and only recently rediscovered it. Having been resurrected from the brink of nonexistence, I shall now continue my quest to become the most nonreligious country in the world!
Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Oakgall, Tuesh, Microwaviington
What do you call/consider yourself politically? i'm a libertarian socialist.
Araine, Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
Just leftist.
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
General far-leftist. I'm on the fence between libertarian and authoritarian. While I believe that most people are naturally good, some powerful people tend towards evil and need to be kept in check with extremely strong laws. While I personally am an atheist, I believe that religion can potentially be good for society because it offers guidance in times of uncertainty. I try to not put myself in any boxes politically except I know I am on the far-left portion of the spectrum.
Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Elucubria
i'm not sure... i believe in some socialist values (helping people who can't help themselves, and subsidised healthcare)... but also, capitalist (right wing) values are also valid, such as corporations not being bad for society. However, that's only to a point. People who exploit others under the guise of corporation should be rightfully punished. Also, socialism is also only good to a point, with an overly large system being too bureaucratic and bloated.
Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
Araines population now exceeds that of earth.
Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Duneraven, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Forgo Regia, Tuesh, Microwaviington, Elucubria
Welcome baaaaaaaack!
Araine, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh
Thanks! This time I promise I won't cease to exist.
Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Oakgall, Tuesh
still call myself syndicalist even though I know it's technically not entirely accurate. additional labels include "excessively jaded news-watcher" and "a whydoweneedpartyaffiliationsfortheboardofeducationist"
Typica, Araine, Inaros Opa, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh
Ultimately a communist (I find the extreme fractalisation of the left to be the thing keeping us from making actual progress) but I'd be happy with almost any flavour of socialism at this point. So I generally just refer to myself as a leftist for solidarity purposes.
Typica, Araine, Inaros Opa, Duneraven, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
Irish nationalist :p
But yeah, just leftist.
Typica, Araine, Inaros Opa, Duneraven, Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
Libertarian Socialist would be close, so let's go with that.
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
Also a Libertarian Socialist. I can see how the idea of capitalism's free markets can grant freedom in the consumer, however I feel they keep to much a competitive stance, especially how they can be used to a corporation's gain or profit. I also am in flavour some form of a trotskyist, with international co-operation and the world revolution. The fractured state of the left nowadays really concerns me. I also like the idea of a form Meritocracy as well.
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
Same thing prolly
Tuluni, Tuesh
My furniture restoration is at -14. Are we destroying furniture? What did it do to deserve this?
Araine, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Villagers Uninted, Estebere, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Lbaniya, Oakgall, Gathadia, Tuesh, Elucubria
mine's at negative 13 (we can destroy furniture together :3)
also in the negatives for my nation is: arms manufacturing automobile manufacturing basket weaving beverage sales gambling insurance mining pizza delivery retail and finally, timber woodchipping
i have massive IT stat though so if anyone needs any electronics fixed you know where to go
Inaros Opa, Villagers Uninted, Tuluni, Lbaniya, Oakgall, Tuesh
I have a -7 public education, we spread misinformation
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh
anarchist. I wish for the peaceful disso'ution of all forms of hierarchy, both po'itical and social, inc'uding the concepts of currency and "natural" hierarchies. I see democratic confedera'ism as a reasonable transitionary state between the current ethnonationa'ism and this envisioned state of multicultural, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs," togetherness.
I could've just 'eft it at anarchist, but where would be the c'arity in that?
Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, Tuesh
Jazur why are using an Apostrophe instead of the letter L unless if its the last letter of a word?
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh
fr!
Tuluni, Tuesh
I've been so inspired by democratic confederalism since AANES was established. I was able to write a report on the ideology for a class last term and it was so nice to learn more about an ideology that was specific to the needs and culture of the region.
Chacapoya, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Aseanindia, Tuesh
All my industries aside from basket weaving and book publishing are below 0. I plant trees, put diamonds in caves and disassemble weapons and war machines.
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington
Just passed 3 billion citizens!
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Aseanindia, Tuesh, Microwaviington
i just smashed 3 billion citizens /j
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Aseanindia, Tuesh, Microwaviington
Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern
how could you possibly afford 3 billion copies of super smash bros??? and not give us any?????
Inaros Opa, Villagers Uninted, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington
whoops
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington
just out of curiosity, what kind of hammer did you use
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington
Sledgehammer
Inaros Opa, Villagers Uninted, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Microwaviington
what type of sledge hammer can hit 3 billion people and not break?
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington
We here in Estebere only make new furniture look horrible.
Want some furniture to destroy?
Inaros Opa, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington
Welcome to the region! Its always awesome to meet new friends. Youve already gotten a welcome telegram that gives some basics for the region, but here are some quick tips to get started.
Check out your telegram preferences and select Block All for Recruitment. That way youll stop getting all those spam telegrams youve been seeing from other regions.
If you havent already, please consider signing up for the World Assembly! If you do, youll become a Member State in a week, which will get you access to all sorts of perks like getting a spot on our regional map and also extra snacks. Youll also be able to endorse and collect endorsements from other people in the region through our regional tool Tart, found at https://tart.calref.ca/
Finally, if you have any other questions, come check out our Discord server ( https://discord.gg/Rt6uGMsNpr ), where there are a lot of friendly people who will help you find all of the fun things to do on NationStates.
If you have any questions or need help, feel free to ask!
Typica, Araine, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Aseanindia, Oakgall, Moun Gratis, Tuesh, Microwaviington, Elucubria
Is the PASA passport thing in WA Is real, are there real citizens ,and how can I issue passports in my nation to my citizens Refugia
Inaros Opa, Jazur, Tuluni, Tuesh
Inaros Opa, Tuluni
General assembly resolutions only affect in-game stats, so no, there isnt a real PASA, but you could design a passport template for your own nation and put it in a factbook if you wanted.
Edit: also dont ping people just because you didnt get a reply in 2 minutes.
Typica, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Aseanindia, Tuesh, Elucubria
Yes please! We'll give you some :3 in return
Inaros Opa, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Tuesh
anyone else not able to use forums?
Chacapoya, Tuluni, Tuesh
rhode island sized sledgehammer
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh, Microwaviington
I will remember not to ping sorry
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh
Tuluni
I've got a speech impediment, and this is a casual chat area, so it's easier for me to type stuff and read over it if I type it this way
Typica, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall, Tuesh
Yes! I think it's very interesting and nice
I hope that they continue to thrive
Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
I am not even trying to do that consciously (though I support the idea of abolishing it, and lorewise my nation doesn't even need defense forces) and it's still well below 0, so I guess my nation has no armed forces whatsoever.
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Sinzalia, Tuesh
They were down for a bit but they should be back up now
Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
Reminder:
There is only one day left to vote in the RRS Referendum: In the Year of Our Lord Twenty-Twenty-Forest.
Consider voting if you have not done so already: https://vote.calref.ca/vote/62
There is only one day left to turn in a paper airplane for the paper airplane event
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Tuesh
If anyone's still looking for inspiration on paper plane designs, check out this site, it has a lot of designs with instructions you can follow! https://www.paperairplaneshq.com/index.html
Chacapoya, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Tuesh
Damn I got a nomination for best nsplayer? How tf?
Chacapoya, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Pantumaca, Tuesh, Elucubria
Theres an award for best NS player??????
Chacapoya, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca, Tuesh
just banned aircraft for a 12% increase in public transportation
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
Typica, Portmanteau, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh
Hell yeah, a fine representative for Refugia
Typica, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, Heinfield, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern, Tuesh, Elucubria
hi where can I buy like 1000
Chacapoya, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Heinfield, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
EXCELLENT
Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_star_enpire/detail=factbook/id=2004585
I made a thing.
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh
Another brilliant idea, straight from the mind of our glorious Grandee!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2004586
Chacapoya, Typica, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Tuesh
THE AIR FARCE IS ARRIVING
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, St Leone, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
HELL YEAH
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Tuesh
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