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Region: Refugia
absolutely
the taxes are a little high but welfare is big enough that you'll probably be fine
also the cities combined with forests called steel jungles (i should write a factbook about those) would be awesome to live in
Chacapoya, Tiralta, Lanassia
ABSOLUTELY! Rights for everybody, money for everybody! Although anyone who speaks ill of our leader shall be considered outcasts. Don't worry, it won't escalate to anything else.
Tiralta, The Blue Fire
I would probably would not want to live there but maybe a short visit
Tiralta, The Blue Fire
Indeed I would live in it
i strive to build my nation into a better place every day
Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Lanassia
Yeah! My main goal in making Sinzalia was to make it a nice lil place to live, so i wouldnt mind moving here (although needing to learn a whole new language and stuff would be kinda difficult)
Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Lanassia
Isn't it concerning when "quotations" are used in questionable "places" in "sentences"?
Yeah, it'd probably be one of the most "beautiful" "places" in the "world"... not so humble brag.
Chacapoya, Typica, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Lanassia, Silliy
hell yeah, I'd visit a nation full of furries.
Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Sinzalia
as it currently stands:
no. please no
Tiralta, Tuluni
Totally! That's why I built it the way I built it. But it looks like I banned airplanes a long time ago so I guess I gotta take a ship there. And it looks like a lot of people are getting lost in wilderness.
My tax rate is also high, 95.99%, but that's the government paying for things and making them accessible for everyone. So my government, in my view, is paying for free, quality healthcare, free, quality education, extremely cheap and quality public transport, etc.
Chacapoya, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
Yeah, Araines government is paying for good stuff (no military or religion!) I just dont like paying taxes when my current ones go to things I dont support while also not providing me with even vaguely affordable healthcare. I have chronic health problems and have spent a lot of money on routine care; never mind not being able to afford surgery. Id be happy to pay a 45% income tax for all the services that my fictional government provides, but theres no way Id be pleased with over 90%!
Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Lanassia
agreed
Tuluni
Who hates furries
Hell yeah, the taxes are canceled out with welfare payments.
It's the U.S. with (basically) no taxes!
Tuluni
are you an antifur
Tuluni
Nobody here I would hope :(
Chacapoya, Araine, Dutchformosa, Silliy, Lbaniya
Furries? Eww...
:3
Imsalia, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Silliy
Well, maybe some statistics are a bit weird in NS. Or maybe at 90% tax rate and above the government also pays for groceries, utilities and whatnot.
Araine, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Oakgall
whattt???????
furriess?? yuck.
:3:3:3:3:3:3:3
Tuluni, Weirtopia, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Silliy
Oh yeah I'd definitely live in it! Would be a bit weird since there's basically no IT industry yet so wouldn't be able to find a job in my domain, but! Income equality, enormous healthcare, welfare and education focus, plus practically no government corruption! I mean, I am trying to make it a utopia for everyone but the wealthy and controlling sooooo
Maybe not groceries (though it could be counted as health subsidies I guess), but utility, rent and so on could definitely be considered rights!
Araine, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Lanassia, Oakgall
I noticed a lot of countries that score particularly good on metrics such as safety, low corruption, welfare, education, etc. also have really high youth rebelliousness, which my nation doesn't despite also ranking high on similar things, and I'm curious if anyone has any insight on the implications of high youth rebelliousness on your nation.
Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, Nahelia, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
Yuck indeed! :3
Tuluni
:3 is eternal
Tuluni, Weirtopia, Silliy
Im not sure about the implications of high youth rebelliousness but Araine also has very low score (-10).
Typica, Melenavenia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
These are just my own personal observations, but I've noticed that increases to Youth Rebelliousness often come along with choices that increase Civil Rights and Cheerfulness. Stuff that really lets your citizens express themselves, too. Letting them choose their own educations. Making schools nicer places, and their homes less strict. Also, choices that lower Law Enforcement often raise the stat, if the issue is themed properly. Raising that Law stat, and Public Education, can both sometimes lower Youth Rebelliousness.
Typica, Melenavenia, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, Nahelia, The Blue Fire, Lanassia, Deg0Od, Oakgall
I have "Superb" Civil Rights though that only comes as top 17%. Meanwhile my cheerfulness is in the top 10%. My public education is top 2% and law enforcement is top 13%. The biggest restrictions I have is that I've outlawed gun and automobile ownership, though I'm thinking I'll end up repealing the latter since my public transport is really good. I also used to have smoking outlawed but that has since been repealed. My youth rebelliousness is top 17%... but that comes out as 0 youth rebelliousness. Not sure what exactly negative youth rebelliousness implies though I did dip down to -12 at my lowest.
Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Lanassia, Pantumaca, Deg0Od
-10 youth rebelliousness is considered top 86%. Ive got top 3% cheerfulness, top 2% public education, top 18% law enforcement, and top 19% civil rights (also superb). But Ive banned a lot of things guns, automobiles, video games, smoking, and eating meat. I also have legalized weed, DNA harvesting, and no prisons.
Typica, Melenavenia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Deg0Od
I have no idea, but looking at our stats we're broadly the same for a lot of things except you have much higher scientific advancement and IT industry - I wonder if it's internet related?
Typica, Melenavenia, Araine, Portmanteau, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Deg0Od
Your youth rebeliousness still isn't that low. There are many people who have higher though. I have civil rights at "Excessive" and a Youth rebeliousness score of -36. I feel like I am an oddity though.
Melenavenia, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Deg0Od, Izzalia
the cult of :3 will thrive in aeturnum :3
Tiralta, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Deg0Od
In my experience, if I'm trying to make a nation relatively "sensible", the Youth Rebelliousness stat usually defaults to hovering around 0, plus or minus, which is where you're at. Only when I'm attempting to make a nation more extreme do I notice that stat begin to really move. For instance, this nation emphasizes things like Primitiveness and Cheerfulness, very often at the expense of making well-rounded choices for a nation. And that YR stat often shows up, simply as a byproduct, especially when I'm chasing those options. So, my guess would be that you're simply succeeding in making practical, sensible choices.
I think Tiralta makes a good point about the disparity between both of your Science stats, as well. There could be some kind of inverse relationship there, even if not directly. Also, I'll note how much higher their Cheerfulness stat is.
But it's hard to say. The workings of the stats often seem quite obscured, like trying to divine meaning from the stars...
Typica, Melenavenia, Araine, Tiralta, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Lanassia, Pantumaca, Deg0Od
all rise for the pledge of :3
i love the :3
i spread the :3
i protect the :3
i attack non :3
i am :3
we are :3
:3
Tiralta, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Sinzalia, Deg0Od, Lbaniya
NationStates stats are like astrology.
/s
Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Deg0Od, Oakgall
I think that rent might actually be a thing of the past in NS countries with high tax rates as the government might use taxes to build housing for everyone either directly or by giving out money to let people build their own homes. Naturally, that's up to everyone's own imagination, but there aren't a lot of people renting in my country by my headcanon
On the topic of youth rebelliousness, one thing that bothers me is the description for it. For me it's 17 and that'd be a lot of theft, especially since my crime rate is at 2.01. My headcanon is that the youth rebelliousness stat merely expresses the richness youth culture and how much freedom they have.
And while we are on the topic of stats, what's up with the public transportation stat? It seems like a ton of issues decrease that stat little by little unless you get a question about public transportation and you pick an answer that is in support of the public transit system.
Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Deg0Od
...no one's active.
*rolls a fat blunt*
mmmm I'm boutta trip so hard
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa
I'm new here, how does this work?
Typica, Refuge Isle, Jazur, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, Oakgall
Endorse as much people as possible, get your environment up, and have fun!
You can answer issues in the issue tab, which shape your nation
You'll get telegrammed sometimes, so make sure to check those!
Join the WA (World Assembly) to help pass or deny legislation
I hope you enjoy your stay in Refugia :3
Typica, Refuge Isle, Jazur, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Silliy, Pantumaca, Oakgall
Lads,
Do ya ever think. My golly, I have my own gravity! Everyone is entitled to gravity. You got some mass? And that means you have some minute level of gravity. In whatever way in which that's measured. And I don't even need to give money to Disney for it. Hot damn.
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Oakgall, Diamontia
The rain has just come,
Oh my it is very loud,
The rain is gone now.
Refuge Isle, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca
Welcome to the region! Its always awesome to meet new friends. Youve already gotten a welcome telegram that gives some basics for the region, but here are some quick tips to get started.
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Typica, Refuge Isle, Araine, Portmanteau, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Democratic Weimar, Oakgall
My main and alt accounts have top 3% and top 4% youth rebeliousness, at +9 and +5 respectively. It's surprisingly easy to rank highly on this stat, I guess?
Refuge Isle, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire
I never thought Id see the day that someone collectively referred to Refugi as lads.
Typica, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Tiralta, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Izzalia, Oakgall
I call anyone I don't take seriously "lads" and I take us all least seriously of all
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa, Izzalia, Oakgall
Hello everyone I come to you with a gift, a gift that will require at least one of you to agree and support it in a fight to the death.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2001124
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Poquaoi, Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Duneraven, Villagers Uninted, Jazur, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
I shall gladly be your squire in said fight to the death (I second the proposal).
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
In Ireland everybody is "lads" so this just passed over my head.
Typica, Araine, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Oakgall
HUZZAH
Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
Lads,
Isn't it a wonder that every bakery has a Dane on staff? Otherwise they'd have to call it sparkling pastries
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
I'm at top 2% with +20, so it seems like it gets significantly tougher to get into the top 1% after a certain point.
Also, could the stat have been reworked at some point? Cause the top nation has 1,480 Youth Rebelliousness, but they also started off at 872, which nowadays would've put them as #2 in the world lol. I think I started off as a plain 0. Any thoughts?
Typica, Araine, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
When you create a nation, you get questions to help narrow down what kind of nation you have that you agree or disagree with, and these affect your starting stats. It might be that person made a lot of choices that affected youth rebelliousness strongly and you made decisions that affected it negatively or not at all.
Typica, Portmanteau, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
For sure I mean it has weird laws but is pretty good the weirdest one is that clothing is forbidden
Typica, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire
A difficult task, but one that is possible. We will begin moving our people to off shore platforms to save valuable rainforests.
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall
Thats not that weird; though this might be due to Uwuguaya outlawing clothes, too. The weirdest laws are probably always those unwritten, dont you think?
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Aseanindia
Hey yall, you guys probably don't remember Koliland right? Well im back (forgot to turn on vacation mode so my old nation got deleted :( )
Portmanteau, Villagers Uninted, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
Now that this has been seconded by a valiant and brave and valiant soul, I present it to Refuge Isle so that it might be brought to a vote!
Chacapoya, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Friedens Reich
Rip my -4 public education, i accidentally raised it to 0 :(
Portmanteau, Tuluni, Kolish Covenants
Today
Walking through this quaint, college town
In shoes as wet as puddles
I kick myself soggy
For failing to check the weather.
Araine, Tiralta, Villagers Uninted, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Friedens Reich
We, the Diamond people, shall abide by that task, and make our port pristine and our cities full of trees!
Also, congratulations to anyone working in the Starlight Brigade! As pacifists, we simply couldn't condone joining, but we're glad we're by your side. Incredible work!
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Portmanteau, Villagers Uninted, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Sinzalia, Friedens Reich, Oakgall
Referendum Notice:
A referendum regarding modification of the Refugia Revised Statutes has been submitted, entitled In the Year of Our Lord Twenty-Twenty-Forest, authored by Sylh Alanor and seconded by Araine. Having met all requirements, a vote is triggered at this time and all Member States are entitled to vote on its integration into Refugia's system of law.
You can view the text of the measure here.
Vote today: https://vote.calref.ca/vote/62
Voting ends in one week, on Saturday March 9[sup]th[/sup] at 14:35 Pacific Time.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Villagers Uninted, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Friedens Reich, Oakgall, Diamontia
Hello everyone now that we are voting on something I've decided to sneak this one by you. We're doing an airplane-design competition, so pull your finest engineering minds together!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2001381
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Villagers Uninted, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Sinzalia
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Duneraven, Villagers Uninted, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Sinzalia, Kolish Covenants
Stance on 1700's burghers?
Chacapoya, Tiralta, Tuluni
Depends, with or without cheese?
Chacapoya, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Oakgall
i just got a real life copy of my flag next step is making currency heck yeah
Delta Vega Iv, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Sinzalia, Oakgall
Correct like the ones irl
Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Uwuguaya, The Blue Fire
That's very neat. I remember when you said you were doing that. It seems like an incredibly quick turnaround. What material is the flag?
I've never seen an event hosted at someone. My condolences.
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Sinzalia, Kolish Covenants
It is done.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tiralta/detail=factbook/id=2001635
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Jazur, Tuluni, Ullrani, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
This reminded me of something so now I'm required to write an incredibly long tangent or it'll be stuck in my head all day
[spoiler]
I recently finished Heaven Will Be Mine. It's a visual novel, but the world it takes place in and the themes it explores are incredibly unique. It also has space lesbians, but that's not important right now. What is important is what the conflict is centered around. During the Cold War, humanity made huge jumps in technology, allowing to colonize both the Moon and Mars. Something happened, though, and they were both abandoned. Sometime around this, after the war, humanity declared war on an Existential Threat. It's very vague about this, but the very nature of it threatens human Culture, which the game describes as similar to gravity, keeping humanity together. I'm still not entirely sure what's happening, as it's a rather confusing game, but my interpretation is that the three factions at war (who have all been declared outcasts by Earth) are fighting over the Gravity Well above the Moon. They're fighting over it because they all want to get away from Earth, but they can't have human culture without Earth's (humanity's) gravity. The game explores similar themes throughout, but it really made me think. Everyone has their own little Culture, their own little Gravity. Their ideals, memes if you will, that all combine to make them human, and combine with other people to make Humanity. Every decision you make, every action you take, is influenced by these memes. Which makes me wonder: what would a human be like if they were kept away from everything? In Monsoon's words: "Expose someone to anger long enough, and they will learn to hate. They become a carrier. Envy, greed, despair... all memes. All passed along." You wouldn't be able to put someone on a planet to be isolated. They would see the animals, learn from them. Learn their memes, even if the animals don't have any. It's in the way they act. You would need to put the person somewhere where there is absolutely nothing. No memes. No culture. No gravity. Nothing pulling them toward or against loving or hating, selflessness or selfishness, mercy or ruthlessness. I really do wonder, what kind of human would develop? And would they really, truly, be human?
[/spoiler]
Typica, Tuluni, Diamontia
Guess who just opened a card pack with S1 cards
This guy B]
[spoiler]Now we wait for some sort of karma to balance out my goodluck with something bad ;~;[/spoiler]
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
[quote=portmanteau;55106080]That's very neat. I remember when you said you were doing that. It seems like an incredibly quick turnaround. What material is the flag?
its made with a premium fabric thats used for high quality outdoor flags. i posted a picture of it on the discord :3
Typica, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
Sylh Alanor, Refuge Isle stands ready to lend the region its engineering designs
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=2001826
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
I am submitting my paper "planes" :D
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tuluni/detail=factbook/id=2001858
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Gathadia
I can't even begin to tell you how delightful both of these entries were lmao, thank you so much
Chacapoya, Typica, Zerphen, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
Build a paper airplane and your done :|
Delta Vega Iv, Tuluni
It's a bit more involved than that, but that's certainly part of the competition, yes.
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
i can't do formatting for the life of me :(
Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Dutchformosa
...Kinda looks like the Starlight Brigade(To clarify: The ships in the music video)
Chacapoya, Typica, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Friedens Reich
How do I get my map spot back?
Tuluni
We banned air flight in DV-IV. No airplanes for us
Chacapoya, Typica, Tiralta, Duneraven, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca
Post by Zabenyaland suppressed by Refuge Isle.
EUROPE
Land of the Bear (Mordu)
Kingdom of the Cauldron (The Horned King)
Fae Lands (Maleficent)
Archdiocese Pontificus Immortalis (Claude Frollo)
Sultanate of Agrabah (Jafar)
Pleasure Island (The Coachman)
Olympus (Hades)
Bald Mountains (Chernabog)
Mirror Kingdoms (Queen Grimhilde)
Arendelle (Hans)
AFRICA
Land of the Leopard (Queen La)
Pridelands (Scar)
Dinosaur Island (Carnotaurus)
Island of Naboombu (King Leonidas)
ASIA
Free Creatures (Bagheera)
Shere Khanate (Shere Khan)
Subjugate of Kaa (Kaa)
Kingdom of the Red Flower (King Louie)
Hunnic Empire (Shan Yu)
AMERICAS
Royal Colony of Virginia (Governor Ratcliffe)
Shadowlands (Dr. Facilier)
Old West (Alameda Slim)
Charred Lands (Firebird)
Mexican Empire (Ernesto de la Cruz)
El Dorado (Tzekel-Kan)
Sunless Empire (Yzma)
ELSEWHERE
Spirit Realm (Aurora Borealis/Great Spirits)
Elite Global Huntsmans Club (various including Gaston, Cruella de Vil, etc.)
Pirate Kingdoms (various including Captain Hook, etc.)
Imperial Republic of Atlantis (Lyle Tiberius Rourke)
Lalotai (Te Ka)
East India Trading Company (Cutler Beckett)
Ursulas Islands (Ursula)
Do you have what it takes to survive in this villainous world?
Ejected for puppeteering
Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire
Has anyone ever visited the Arctic or Antarctic Circles? (I guess living there also counts, lol)
Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, Dutchformosa, Pantumaca
This looks like a really silly and fun contest :D I would make a plane myself, but it seems to be only for member states. I suppose it would be a bit difficult for the average nation such as mine to send an interplanetary aircraft all to violate international treaties in another land :P
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern
We would participate in the aircraft creation event however the resources the party has allocated to aircraft research and construction is better spent on rivalling the productions of our corrupt Qieran sister state Qierany.
Tiralta, Tuluni, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern
Y'all need me to come over here to boost your Environmental Beauty stat? xD
Zerphen, Tiralta, Tuluni, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern
You can follow the rules here!
Typica, Tiralta, The Blue Fire, Pantumaca, Ban Oldern
im bored
...
anyone got any good C.AI bot recommendations
Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern
no, but you can ask chatgpt for board/video game ideas
that's my go-to when i'm bored
Typica, St Leone, Tuluni, Silliy, Ban Oldern
AI-generated stuff is gross and should be shunned :c
Chacapoya, Typica, Refuge Isle, Zerphen, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Silliy, Ban Oldern, Sinzalia, Oakgall, Gathadia
are chatbots ok? like c.ai?
Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern
taking stuff from ai and calling your own is gross and should be shunned, but i don't see a problem with just talking (or using it like i do, to bounce ideas of off it or simply see what it comes up with for fun)
Typica, Jazur, Tuluni, Dutchformosa, Silliy, Ban Oldern, Friedens Reich
none that arent fandom specific, but https://theuselessweb.com/ and https://www.boredbutton.com/ are good websites to visit
you could also make an ai based off of yourself. it's not usually the best though :/
Jazur, The Blue Fire, Silliy, Ban Oldern
what're you looking for
Tuluni, Ban Oldern
Where does it get its words? Does it scrape my writing and thoughts for content without my knowledge? Does it scrape extremist sites and spit back out their opinions as facts? We had chat ai back in the early 2000s on MSN (smarter child) but you had to specifically add it as a friend and agree that it would use your conversations with it to learn. Nowadays people hail that same 20 year old technology as somehow new and wow and so cool without considering that it's way less ethical.
Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Sinzalia, Oakgall
Ethics what ethics, I don't know about any ethics.
Tuluni, Ban Oldern
that is a good point. i would like to point out that chatgpt at least seems to have some safeguards against the extremism one, but i could see how that could easily happen.
I was wrong, and will most likely refrain from using those services in the future.
Typica, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern
The biggest issue with something like chatGPT is the way that it sources its data. Even data that gets posted to NationStates gets scraped by AI companies to make their models better. No one asked me, no one asked NationStates, but because it's on the internet, it can be been downloaded as AI material and used to make someone a whole lot of money. And the same is true of pretty much anything you put on the internet from pictures to original artwork, novels, and code.
CalRef used to have a lot of open-source repositories on GitHub. In addition to us running our own software, it was freely available for other people to download and run on their own. That isn't much the case anymore. We still run a lot of our own software, but it's not open source anymore because of people stealing it and saying it's theirs, or being used as part of AI suggestions where sections of the code are made available to people to copy-paste without even knowing where it came from or who came up with it originally, all while being sold as a subscription service.
It puts us in a difficult situation because the only available "solution" is to put up walls that stop people from being able to see the things we post unless it's within a smaller, pre-approved community. A closed off, proprietary internet is not really one that I want to see because it deprives access to free and high quality tools just to stop scalpers who care nothing for how much effort and creativity it took to create the original product. And, unfortunately, every aspect of """AI""" is making money for someone at the expense of the people who made its remixed content originally.
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Zerphen, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Diamontia, Tuesh
Imsalia, Jazur, Tuluni, Ban Oldern
i wouldn't be surprised at all, but do you have a source? this is the first i've heard of it
Typica, Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
[quote=refuge_isle;55123915]
[quote=tuesh;55124035]I've also heard that chatgpt pays workers almost nothing to keep their servers running.[/quote]
Lives, crushed by the wheels of progress, ground between Calces Machinae. Eternal, the computing power increases, swamping our binary worlds with a deluge of regurgitation, computerised response.
Tuluni, Ban Oldern, Tuesh
AI can be a great tool (I read about an AI that's been trained to scan cell shapes to spot cancer earlier) but imo the most easily accessible ones are unethical. We can't tell what's trained them, and some people are using it to write articles or create images and post them as fact so it's getting harder and harder to actually know what is real online. There are certainly ethical ways to go about language learning tools, and I am sure they must have their uses. I just don't love that anything I put online can become content without my knowledge.
Chacapoya, Typica, Zerphen, Araine, Portmanteau, Jazur, Tuluni, The Blue Fire, Ban Oldern, Friedens Reich, Tuesh
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