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Region: Refugia
I wonder how many times Aephony has cause a trend of related messages here on the RMB like the greetings one that just took place.
Cheesy Tots, Refuge Isle, Portmanteau, Everetunga-Hari, Aephony, Tiralta, Uwuguaya, Irimara
Aephony conspiracy
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Refuge Isle, Portmanteau, Aephony, Tiralta, Uwuguaya
Hello guys!!!
Cheesy Tots, Refuge Isle, Araine, Tiralta, Thingessness
The next proposal up for vote is Repeal: Promotion of Bee Keeping, so I think we ought to discuss what we think of it.
My opening thoughts are that it's always a bit disappointing when legislation takes the stance of "Surely the environment is well-enough supported, it doesn't require additional help." And while GAR 224 may not be a categorically environmental resolution, it certainly focuses on an insect that is quite vital to both the environment and sapient food production. While bees may be an odd thing for the World Assembly to focus on, the resolution is surely providing more positives than negatives with its service.
I'll also note that the repeal is currently being sued by the target author on honest mistake grounds (that the repeal text does not accurately understand the text its citing, or makes untrue arguments). In this case, the repeal states "GAR #403 (Trade Of Endangered Organisms) prohibits the sale or transport of endangered bee populations", and it does not appear that this is accomplished in GAR 403's text. I will try to write a recommendation regarding this repeal, assuming it's not discarded, although it is not guaranteed that I will.
Chacapoya, Poquaoi, Typica, Narwhal, Araine, Liphia, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Falafelandia, Ullrani, Thingessness
I feel like this Bee Keeping promotion will be taken very well by the majority of us, and I believe that Bee keeping is essential for the well-being of the environment.
Plus, honey tastes really nice so we need as many bees as possible!!
Typica, Aephony, Crienia
A massive explosion destroyed a part of the Upperwood Suburban, with the suburban under threat by the terrorist forces, many are fleeing to the safehaven of Hailey-Upperwood Creek
The Star Enpire
Current, 5% of the land is under control by the terrorists, 2% decrease from pre-war times. But. That number is expected to rise 10% more by the end of the week.
Yeah, agreed!
North Evous Belerle
Keep in mind the bee keeping resolution is already on the books (it was passed 11 years ago). But a repeal will be at vote soon and that is what we will be voting on.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Liphia, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Thingessness, North Evous Belerle
Im not new here, im obelinia. I was inactive for too long
Cheesy Tots, Portmanteau, Tiralta
You can bring back a nation that's stopped existing because of inactivity! They stick around for about five years, so as long as you have the password you can resuscitate it.
Cheesy Tots, Portmanteau, Tiralta
I know that. i just forgot the password.
Poquaoi
I think this is a misconception. You can resurrect a nation forever unless it is refounded by someone else. Even if your nation is fifteen years dead, you can bring it back unless someone else is using the name, and they can't use the name again if you had your nation longer than six months, ever wrote an issue or resolution, bought site supporter, or founded a region that still exists.
If none of those apply, you get five years of protection anyway, but they very often do.
Chacapoya, Poquaoi, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Portmanteau, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Ullrani
For June I had the Progress Pride flag combined with the Tiraltan flag, and for July I'll have the Disability Pride flag combined with the Tiraltan flag cause it's Disability Pride month!
I hope any other disabled Refugi have a great month!
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Portmanteau, Nollyland, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Ullrani, Thingessness, Bohemia-Utopia
idk what that is, but all i know is Red, White, And blue1!1!11!!
BREAKING NEWS: General Federation of the Trades Union Congress declare General Strike for first time as negotiations with Anastasius Sponheim collapse. Hope Alliance and the Social Party form a National Unity Government. Amalgamated Textile Workers' Union call for United Front and condemns Leader of the Opposition
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ansgar/detail=factbook/id=1902260
The Star Enpire, Jazur
I've not come across that flag before (I suppose because I live under a rock), but I really like it. The more subdued color palette is quite nice. It reminds me of something, but I can't put my finger on it...
Anyway, everyone is welcome under my rock with me. We have mushrooms and salamanders.
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Nollyland, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur
Ooh France!
Chacapoya, Portmanteau, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Uwuguaya
I just forgot that Red, White, and Blue, are the most common flag colors
also no, it's not France. I'm talking about the USA. France was Declared a Republic in September 1792.
Uwuguaya
Oooh the Netherlands!
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Uwuguaya
Yeah! According to the designer the muted colours were picked specifically to be more accessible, I love them a lot.
Pepsi cola the only red white and blue I stand for in this house o7
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, A Million Dreams, Jazur
bro did you read the "Im talking about the USA". I'm also Texan btw
But I thought you were from the US???
Chacapoya, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Bohemia-Utopia
2 hours ago Biggus diccus ceased to exist and I think that's the real tragedy of the day.
"In the UK of course, the salute goes more like ₹o"
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Ansgar, Toothbrush
bro.
All across Estebere, rainbow flags are quickly replaced with slightly less vibrant rainbows to celebrate a new Pride month.
Happy Disability Pride/Awareness Month everyone, hope everyone, especially our disabled friends here in Refugia.
I'm just gonna add an edit to just question this entire post, but mainly to question that a nation called Biggus diccus ever existed.
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Nollyland, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Tiralta, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Ansgar, Pterosaur Supremacy
i am crying😔
Araine, Everetunga-Hari, Jazur, Ansgar, Pterosaur Supremacy
Kifleeki barred and ejected via RRS 2(d) after a hateful profile in the Discord.
Araine, Liphia, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy, Doge Flower, North Evous Belerle
Refugia has a discord?
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Post self-deleted by Doge Flower.
I didn't know that
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Post self-deleted by Doge Flower.
https://discord.com/invite/Rt6uGMsNpr
Jazur, Bohemia-Utopia, Pterosaur Supremacy
Post self-deleted by Doge Flower.
Post self-deleted by Doge Flower.
I just spent half a morning placing bids on common cards
Typica, Araine, Liphia, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Thanks, you too! :) Happy disability pride!
Typica, Liphia, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Falafelandia, Pterosaur Supremacy
It's linked in the world factbook entry near the top of the region page along with many other interesting and fun things!
Typica, Araine, Liphia, A Million Dreams, Falafelandia, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Oh! I am late!
I will begin working on the lottery drawing presently.
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Liphia, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Lottery Giveaway Time
Okay! That took a long time. Anyway here are the result!
We are giving away 173 legendary cards from all seasons, with a combined value of almost 10,000 bank!
Thank you for everyone helping with the delegate transition, congrats to all those endorsing Typica, as they are guaranteed winners. Double-congratulations if you won an extra special bolded card. I expect that Refugia will see a large number of new gold 1% badges in international artwork at tonight's update.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1896118
Poquaoi, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Tovenia, A Million Dreams, Falafelandia, Jazur, The Merinos, Ullrani, Weirtopia, Uwuguaya, Almander, Ridmona, Pterosaur Supremacy
I'm feeling generous
*sets up a free coconut stand with a tank full of axolotls*
if you give money, you can pick out an axolotl!
Typica, Araine, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
How much for an axolotl? I want one!
Jazur, Pterosaur Supremacy
I want one that looks like a Abrams please
Jazur, Pterosaur Supremacy
one inepta, it goes to poor Silliyan people :)
Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
I only have Fedrick Pounds-
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
I don't know the exchange rate, but those will work too
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
ok
Pterosaur Supremacy
*ticking noises*
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
*slightly concerning ticking noises*
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Post self-deleted by Pterosaur Supremacy.
The pterosaurs would like to know the exchange rate of shiny things to your Silliyian ineptas. (we don't know how money works.)
Uwuguaya
Right. Would two Esteberian silvers work? Edit: Actually, could I buy four axolotls? That should be 8 Silvers.
Unrelated: would it be bad of me to say that the Spiderverse trilogy is going to become the Paginini Caprices of animation?
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
I haven't seen the second one, but I have to say I hope not! But I also don't like Paganini's work from a music standpoint- they're extremely impressive from a technique perspective, and I know I'll never be at the level where I could work my way through even one of them, but I don't think they sound overly pleasant. Spiderverse 1 was great not only from a technical perspective, but also from a story and character writing one.
Chacapoya, Typica, Narwhal, Refuge Isle, Estebere, Pterosaur Supremacy
Don't know how many Irimaran marques an axolotl would cost, but I'd gladly take one!
Refuge Isle, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
Looking back 170 days ago, this scifi books recommendation truly by y'all has never failed to impress me. Currently have finished Three-Body Problem series (this is really a roller coaster, really well translated) and The Collapsing Empire (a lot of cussing, which i'm fond of).
Next stop gonna be Light from Uncommon Stars :D
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Refuge Isle, Araine, Liphia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Pterosaur Supremacy
Quite late, but support due to author.
Yes, that petty.
Yes well fortunately I operate on the substance of a resolution and not personal GP favouritism.
Typica
What does everyone think about the new SC resolution that we are voting on
Typica, Falafelandia, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
New recommendation from the Office of World Assembly Affairs:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1902975
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Liphia, Jazur, Pterosaur Supremacy, Doge Flower
Post by Falafelandia suppressed by Refuge Isle.
Feel free to evaluate the text of the resolution, if you have thoughts on it, but I'm going to be ending the culture of rubber stamping one way or another based on the author nation alone thanks.
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Liphia, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
I was asked my opinions on my resolution, and provided them. I did not claim it was the statement of the region. Please unsupress my post, my opinion is valid.
Uwuguaya
I'm not sure. I'd quite like to vote For on an RP statement, but as Sedgistan pointed out in the SC forum, the 2 page RP thread it relates to contains a lot of language that's evocative of Nazi imagery and I don't particularly love that on a personal level.
I will probably abstain from this one myself, unless anyone has a more persuasive opinion either way.
Chacapoya, Poquaoi, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
I support most RP resolutions that are written well, and this one is. The thread it pertains to clearly had a lot of time put into it, but as mentioned, much of it has a very... particular way of talking about war, shall we say. Such language isn't typically used by people whose beliefs run counter to those they represent in-character. And it's always more effort than it's worth to try and find out if the person RPing Nazism on this site is, in fact, a Nazi.
This shouldn't be taken as a particularly personal attack on the primary nation in question as I know little beyond having skimmed the RP thread. I just don't care for said thread being preserved by the SC on merit and will vote against.
Chacapoya, Typica, Narwhal, Araine, Liphia, Tiralta, Falafelandia, Jazur, Pterosaur Supremacy
That's a really good point.
Chacapoya, Typica, Falafelandia, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
hello
Chacapoya, Falafelandia, Jazur, Pterosaur Supremacy
Welcome
Falafelandia, Jazur
Guten tag
Jazur, Pterosaur Supremacy
Recall Referendum Notice:
An RRS 10 recall referendum has been initiated regarding the Councillor of Culture, Falafelandia, raised by Refuge Isle and seconded by A Million Dreams.
You can read the text of the referendum here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1903138
This referendum will last for five days, concluding on July 8th at seven in the evening, Pacific Time.
Link to referendum: https://vote.calref.network/vote/54
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Uwuguaya, Irimara, Ridmona, Pterosaur Supremacy, Magmillion
tl;dr Luca is atempting to throw me out of office because of petty spats, because I did my job the best I could with no guidance, but most likely because I am a member of a raider millitary. Vote Against the recall.
It's Councillor of Operations, Luca.
I am surprised, but not entirely shocked by this. However, the dispatch is flagrantly inaccurate, paints an unhealthy blame on myself, and is a gross misinterpretation of my roles in the community. I'll try to debunk each allegation made.
[spoiler=Discord Floor 16 Council Logs][pre]Natalie
30/06/2023 01:26
New person's Youtube channel is... interesting
Emilytacular
30/06/2023 01:32
On the one hand, it's all several years old. On the other hand, yikes it's still a connected channel
Natalie
30/06/2023 01:35
That's true, his status shows a lot of growth
formerly known as
30/06/2023 01:38
oh excellent
Emilytacular
30/06/2023 01:43
yeah yeet
formerly known as
30/06/2023 01:57
agrreeeeeee
what COC reason are we giving for this yeet?
Emilytacular
01/07/2023 14:29
did anyone want to do something about gilbert
Cat
01/07/2023 14:31
oh woops yeah I meant to look at the youtube channel so i could say something more concrete and then i had work
falafelandia
01/07/2023 14:31
where is the youtube chanell?
Cat
01/07/2023 14:32
Linked as one of their social media accounts in their profile
Cat
01/07/2023 14:39
Am I giving him a chance to explain the youtube channel (nvm I googled indeed the status which has been changed since yesterday and strikes me as a definite rule 2 breaker)
Emilytacular
01/07/2023 21:38
it would have definitely been better if someone said something to the person before banning them
Natalie
01/07/2023 21:41
Yeah. I didn't engage because I try to leave moderation to the Refugia folk here, but it's usually best to talk to someone before banning unless they're unambiguously being disruptive
Emilytacular
01/07/2023 21:42
Also I wish we'd led with the youtube titles, the avatar was iffy at best and the status wasn't hateful, it was something about farts as far as I remember
yeah same I have no stake in Refugia moderation at the moment so I was leaving it to the people here
[/pre][/spoiler]
This was not merely a user banned for a profile eating chickenalthough, in that regard, it was black man eating fried chicken, which is a racist sterotype. They had a copious number of red flags, including a YouTube account linked in the profile that had videos including ones with names reffer to gay intercourse.
The entirety of the Council and the Moderation team agreed that this user should be yeeted. Note that formarlly known as (Aav/A Million Dreams) wrote what reason are we giving for the yeet. Additionally, Cat/Tiralta wrote that it strikes [them] as a definite rule 2 breaker.
After the ban, other members of the Moderation team expressed that they would have preferred if the YouTube videos were more expressly shown in the messages to the nation informing them of the ban. However, it was entirely clear that the Moderation team wished for the nation to be banned for a hateful profile. This seems to be a clear instance of myself being singled out for a mistake on the behalf of the entire Council/Moderation.
The RRS is entirely ambiguous on the topic of the Discord. However, #floor-16 is described as a channel for the Councillors to plan for regional development. As far as I know, it is where every moderation issue has been raised. When I have, as a proud Refugi, reported misconduct in the past, I have been told that it is being discussed in floor 16.
[spoiler=Discord Conversation with Ward Chacapoya][pre]eidsva
29/05/2023 21:39
Hi! I was wondering why Sylh Alanor and myself were removed as Wards?
𝚏𝚊𝚕𝚊𝚏𝚎𝚕
30/05/2023 06:52
Alright, I'll do my best to explain.
I really wanted you to be a ward. You had the most experience in the category, and clearly knew how to do your job. I never received an application from you, so I thought you didn't want the job.
I thought Sylh Alanor/Emily and you had been appointed as emergency Wards while I found new ones, I didn't know either of you wanted to stay on, but I wasn't actively against it. My message to Luca read:
Okay, here's my final decisions[...]Ariane/Sirius#6118/Fox will be my only current ward, with more to be potentially added.
Not the best way to put it, I can see why they misunderstood. I take ful responsibility for that.
So I ask you, do you want to be a Ward? I think so. If so, please just tell me your time zone and hours available, and I'll message Luca right away.
eidsva
30/05/2023 14:48
Ah yeah that tracks. I hadnt applied as I didnt know you wanted me to, traditionally Wards(and Envoys) have persisted between councillors. For instance, I was appointed Ward about 4 terms ago last June.
I would still love to be a ward if possible, though no worries.
If you do still want to consider me for wardship, Im on MST and available usually between 11-3AM
eidsva
30/05/2023 18:11
Oh hey! I appreciate it, and Im sorry for my brusqueness and lack of communication![/pre][/spoiler]
This has absolute no truth in the matter. When I became the Councillor of Operations, I reached out to the community on who wanted to be a Ward. Not a single current ward informed me that they wished to be one. I later came to learn that Wards stay the same under Councillors, contacted all former Wards, and reinstalled the ones that wished to stay on. You can read more in the spoilered Discord log. However, neither Luca nor Aav informed me of this. The fact that there was no harm, that Chacapoya expressed no anger and rather apologized, and the fact that neither of my superiors informed me how this was to be run shows that the harm does not lie with myself.
[spoiler=Conversations in #human-squarewith noted raider Tom/Chef Big Dog][pre]Tom
31/05/2023 21:15
falafel!
I need your help soldier
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:15
Falafel, do you know this dude?
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:16
hey
who are you?
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:16
no, thought he was chef big dog at first lol
@rory sorry for the delay, masked you as a member
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:17
Sorry, didn't realize they weren't masked
Tom
31/05/2023 21:17
I've been personally effected by the t*rrorists
Real Scout
31/05/2023 21:17
Top 10 Anti-t*rrorists Animes:
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:17
In what way?
Real Scout
31/05/2023 21:17
#1: Tom
Tom
31/05/2023 21:17
my recognition was opposed
rory
31/05/2023 21:18
tom will singlehandedly stop t*rrorism.
Real Scout
31/05/2023 21:18
Indeed
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:18
chef big dog what are you doing here?
Real Scout
31/05/2023 21:19
I stan Tom
Tom
31/05/2023 21:19
I've made my objectives clear
I heard this region is opposed to the terrorist WA status quo
and have the only logical path forward
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:21
You are very strange, but I've given you your options if you wish to talk with our WA councillor
Tom
31/05/2023 21:21
I think Lone Wolves United and this region have similar goals
what is the WA Councillor's discord
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:21
You can telegram them
Tom
31/05/2023 21:22
why would I do that when I am on discord right now
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:24
Because it's the only option you've been given
Tom
31/05/2023 21:24
are you a councilor
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:24
I am not
Tom
31/05/2023 21:25
do you have an FA person
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:25
You sure ask a lot of questions for someone who can't be bothered to do their own goddamn research
Tom
31/05/2023 21:27
I've done my research
I know we have the same goals
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:27
I am a councilor. Our FA person is @walrus, who is what you would call a "Fenda".
I also know that, as Khalid of Lone Wolves United, you can string sentences together, which makes me believe that you are trolling. So Tom/Chef Big Dog...please, if you are trolling, stop.
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:28
We do. We tend to have the third largest delegate vote on the "raider side" in the SC. So what do you want?
Tom
31/05/2023 21:28
smh falafel u should know I'm not the Khan
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:28
smh
what's your rank again?
Tom
31/05/2023 21:29
Khalif
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:29
Pardon.
Real Scout
31/05/2023 21:29
He is the one and only dj khaled
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:29
Another one?
Real Scout
31/05/2023 21:30
Just do it
Wrong celebrity meme
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:30
I'm lovin' it
Emilytacular
31/05/2023 21:30
I don't vote on the raider side
Natalie
31/05/2023 21:30
Yeah I was going to say, Refugia is not aligned one way or the other
Tom
31/05/2023 21:31
how does that work
Emilytacular
31/05/2023 21:31
By not being aligned to either side
falafelandia
31/05/2023 21:31
Didn't mean it like that, I mean that the delegate votes lately tend to go to the vote Tom supports[/pre][/spoiler]
This was where it could be inerpreted that I screw up. However, Luca misinterpreted my words. For the vast majority of Security Council votes this year, our Delegate has voted with the raiders. This does not mean we are not neutral, nor did I claim that it did. However, that is the current state of affairs, and that was how I presented them. And it worked. Tom stopped trolling/sh*tposting the Discord chanel. While my statements may have been seen as aligned, considering the other regions I associated with, I made no statements that were not true.
[spoiler=Discord DMs With Luca/Refuge Isle][pre]Luca
26/06/2023 15:34
Hello.
You do not have permission to rip Refugia's main dispatch for the Brotherhood of Malice.
And if you continue to use it, I will GHR it for plagiarism
𝚏𝚊𝚕𝚊𝚏𝚎𝚕
26/06/2023 15:38
Sorry, I'll delte that.
Luca
26/06/2023 15:38
Our community is not a place for you to just steal things from and use in your other regions. If something like this happens again, I will absolutely ban you. Hope that's clear.
𝚏𝚊𝚕𝚊𝚏𝚎𝚕
26/06/2023 15:39
Okay, I delted it.[/pre][/spoiler]
This is where I screwed up. For the whole of eight minutes.
I was atempting to create a dispatch for The Brotherhood Of Malice. As Luca has amazing design, I thought it would be okay for me to use the formatting. I was wrong. Four minutes later, Luca contacted me. They informed me (rather harshly and rudely) that I plagarized. I apologize profusely and immediately deleted the dispatch. I did not promote it at all in that time, it was clearly a work-in-progress.
I messed up here, I'll admit that. But is eight minutes of ripped formatting, followed by an apology, valid grounds for dismissal?
In short, these allegations have a tendency to be untruthfull, misrepresentative, and blatantly petty. From Aav calling for me to be dismissed for a decission she called to be made to being told that I "disregard" Refugia because I made a truthfull statement to stop a troll, these are inconclusive and unnecessary.
I truly didn't want to have to make this RMB post. Luca has never been outwardly friendly to me, but they've done amazing things, and I respect them for that. I find Aav to be one of the best mods out there. But these petty disagreements are not valid grounds for dismissal. The only other atempt at a Recall in Refugia history was for a user who ghosted the sight. I am not perfect, but I am not awful. I am an active member of the RMB along with the Discord (which, by the way, Luca is not even a member of). I truly committed time and energy to this reason. And to charactarize this as "primarily [seeking] to use the Office to advance [my] external agendas"? I fought against my raider allies during N-Day, to support this region. I've given a lot here. And I have only once been told that I am "stepping outside of line". And the fact that this Recall was called just hours after a spat on the RMB and days after I moved a bit to The Brotherhood Of Malice is terms of RP and Forum posting suggests that this is a petty spat of injured pride. I know I am one of the only active raiders here. And I know that I am, under the RRS, an equal civilian. But that doesn't seem to be the response I've been getting.
My dear Refugi, please, for forgivenss, goodness, kindness, and common sense, vote against this recall. Vote against atempts to pin me for the "mistakes" of others. Vote for the Refugia we know and love. Let me finish my term.
Democratically Elected Councillor of Operations,
Uwuguaya, Pterosaur Supremacy
It's not. The discord is not the region, the region is not the discord. The RRS refers to the region (explicitly) and the discord is run by CalRef (you agreed to its rules when you registered). Your leaking of Floor 16 logs corroborates that you are only someone who should never be entrusted with a moderation position, and it does not empower you to ban nations from the regions for reasons other than those in RRS 2. You may *only* ban nations via RRS 2.
I am aware of what choices you made with regards to wards. I am the only one in the region who could carry out those instructions. Your instructions were to set Araine as the only Ward. That is what happened, and that is the observation that is made in the recall vote.
I did not misinterpret your words, I quoted them. Refugia is a neutral region. We support defender resolutions and we are against defender resolutions. We support raider resolutions and we are against raider resolutions. It is a tired state of affairs where I must time and time again tell both raiders and defenders to piss off when each makes an accusation that Refugia is one or the other, based their perceptions of us at the time. But rest assured I will be cold and dead in the ground before I stop defending Refugia's neutrality and right to self-determination.
Keep in mind that this is only because of the speed at which I detected the plagiarism. Had I not known that you had stolen my work, you would still be unapologetically using it to this day.
The mercy is that I contacted you directly about the illegal activity instead of reporting it to NationStates moderators. Perhaps I should not, and then they would have decided a fitting punishment for doing so. Regardless, the crime is not the duration by which you tried to use our community for your own ends, but the fact that you did so at all. It shows that you have no respect for me, this region, or the things we have made to support it.
No one else ran.
Chacapoya, Typica, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Liphia, Ridmona, Pterosaur Supremacy, Magmillion, Daymo
I understand that leaking mod logs was not the most professional thing to do. That was out of line. However, the fact that mods were agreeing with and telling me to do an action I am now being punished for is ridiculous.
You casually forgot to message that I reached out to every old Ward and added all the ones that wanted to stay. Again, I made no statements that were incorrect. We. Have. Voted. The. Same. Way. Raiders. Have. Voted. On. Nearly. Every. SC. Proposal. This. Year.Yes. You responded appropriately. I thank you for that. I think we can also acknowledge that I wasn't thinking I'm going to leave my old region and join this new region because they have cool graphics and steal them for BoM! back when I joined.
But don't get me started on the You are only here to exploit the region tirade. I have been an active member of this community from day one. I'm in the new Discord (unlike you, btw) masking new members almost daily. And what was all my exploiting, when I was given the power to completely vandalize the region? 8 minutes of stolen formatting.
That was a bit petty on my part. But I did win an election, and I believe I should be allowed to finish my term.But when all this is said and done, a recall electionlet alone a recallis not appropriate. I am not the worst officer this region has ever had. I've made mistakes. We all have. But I did not stray far enough outside the linein fact, I was only told about one of the things mentioned. A recall is not necessary. I truly love this region. I love the community, the events, the democracy, and most of all, the peaceful Refugi hobbits. Let me finish my term. I am not a selfish thief just because I am a raider.
P.S. I'm still listed as Councilor of Culture in your post :P
P.P.S. Not sure if you or someone else banned me from the CalRef server, but will you please let me back in? The community there is pretty great. Considering there hasn't been a vote on my status, this seems like an overreach.
Uwuguaya
Genshin Impact players of Refugia: Whats your opinion on the new Overture trailer? I think its cool, but whiny Focalor is the best part.
A Million Dreams, Falafelandia, Jazur
I found a typo whilst looking through the RRS. RRS 10(b(ii)) If the No Confidence vote is defeated, a standard RRS 5(c) cooldown is applied to the submitting Member State. cites RRS 5(c), which doesnt exist, instead of RRS 6(c).
Falafelandia, Uwuguaya, Bohemia-Utopia
This should never be a point of confusion.
The Refugia region is run by me, who owns CalRef and its severs, legally. Refugia is not separate from CalRef. The Refugia NationStates content is not in the CalRef discord server, but both are under the jurisdiction of Calamity Refuge, that was never ceded. The Refugia discord server is owned by CalRef Global Moderator Maddie, and she has charge to ensure that it follows our rules.
I have no idea why you keep bringing up that I'm not in the Refugia server. It's not the gotcha you think it is. Maddie is entrusted by CalRef to run that server and I'm well-equipped to carry out the entirety of my responsibilities without being there.
You can say that if you wish, I have no way of verifying it. I can definitively say that the parties I dismissed informed me of their surprise of having been removed after the fact. Your intentions were likely unclear to them, or they did not know that you wanted existing Wards to reapply. But their displeasure on being removed was certainly not a mystery.
Thanks for clarifying that you do, indeed, still believe that Refugia is in the raider voting bloc. But as is often the case with me where I have to argue against raiders trying to claim the region, and argue against defenders trying to claim the region, I'll reference the last time I had to re-affirm Refugia neutrality and right to self-determination.
You are indeed banned. I consulted every member of the CalRef staff. All but one of them was available for comment. All of the staff who were available for comment agreed that your actions were a violation of CoC 1.
Typica, Liphia, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Pterosaur Supremacy, Magmillion
Interesting. RRS was confusing for me to lol
Luca, I'm too tired to comment further. I'll write something in the morning. In regards to the WA, we are not in a bloc. but we have voted the same way raiders have voted on the majority of sc resolutions.
I'd just like to note that on the Refugia forums, when I tried to log in, I got this message:
News:
Refugia News: Councillor of Operations Ignores Questions, Repeatedly Striking Brick with Hammer, Screaming "NO!"
But I'm the one being petty.
That news post has been there since the summer of 2020. So yes, you very much are.
http://web.archive.org/web/20210922233427/https://calref.cc/
Tiralta, Falafelandia, Magmillion
lol, never noticed that. interesting coincidence
"NO!"
The Calamity Refuge forums. Not the Refugia forums.
As your actions were in violation of the Code of Conduct, you have also been banned from there, per decision of Calamity Refuge staff, same as the Discord server.
Tiralta, Magmillion
A decision I was not informed of. And I'd like to note that it is the CalRef discord server. Not the Refugia one. Because there is a difference.
It's fairly obvious you're still in the Refugia server for now, nobody's arguing that. You were banned from the CalRef discord server and the CalRef forums for being untrustworthy. You keep throwing out things that you think are gotchas, but none of them are. You are being called to task for breaking rules and, to defend yourself, you have broken more. You're trying to make it messy and dramatic, but the facts are still not on your side.
Typica, Magmillion
There is not. They are both off-site properties of Calamity Refuge, subject to the Calamity Refuge code of conduct, subject to moderation by Calamity Refuge staff, as Luca made exceptionally clear earlier.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Tiralta, Uwuguaya, Magmillion
Then why have I not been banned from the Refugia server?
Uwuguaya
While I'm not a named party in this dispute, I am the Natalie who appears in several of the quoted chatlogs, some of which come from our private staff channel. Because of this, I'd like to chime in on a few points. I am no longer on the region's council, but I am on the administration team for CalRef, the community from which Refugia sprouts. As such, I have been present for all of the mentioned events except those which took place in DMs.
From the top, I want to be clear: sharing chatlogs from private channels and conversations without permission is gross misconduct. It is absolutely a misuse of the privileges of the office of the council, and I speak from past experience when I say the drama that ensues from such leaks takes a toll on all parties involved. In my eyes, this action alone is enough to create severe unease about your position, and I'm entirely in support of the recall effort on these startling grounds regardless of the other facts of the matter.
As for the other facts of the matter:
Regarding the banning of Zerk, a.k.a. Kifleeki: I tend to be relatively hands-off in the Refugia Discord server, but I greet and assess new users from time to time as a courtesy to the council members who may not be online at the time. I brought Zerk to their attention largely because of the Youtube channel attached to their profile - I will not link it directly in case it violates site rules to do so, but this profile, which will hereafter be referred to as "UCPiv_RcQjHOb4IgPj4ZOowA", contains a handful of crude videos which appeared at a glance to make light of LGBTQ+ identities and included other crude terms and topics that seemed concerning. As you can see in the chatlogs - which, for clarification, have been abridged without indication, but are nevertheless fairly representative of the conversation - several other members of CalRef's staff agreed with these concerns. Unfortunately, nobody brought these to Zerk's attention directly, which is regrettable and out of the norm for how we handle new user onboarding. Several of us felt that between the contents of UCPiv_RcQjHOb4IgPj4ZOowA and the user's profile - a photograph of a black man biting into fried chicken with the status "Louisiana Fast" - the user seemed to be acting in bad faith, but it's important to note that there was no active misconduct from the user in either the server or the region prior to being banned. I think it's fair to say that there were failings from a few people in this situation, including Falafel, who should have made contact with Zerk to clarify these matters before dropping the banhammer.
However, it's important to understand that this incident comes at the tail end of an increasingly long list of concerns about Falafel's tenure as Councillor of Operations. Falafel has indicated, both publicly in Refugia's spaces and elsewhere, that he sees us as being aligned with raider politics and causes and that we can be reliably persuaded to vote in support of such resolutions in the World Assembly. Regardless of our current voting patterns, Refugia maintains an entirely neutral stance on r/d, has a long history of staff and council members who come from both sides of the aisle, and continues to reevaluate the metagame as the tactics and outcomes of factions change. You can say we've voted "with the raiders" on nearly every resolution this year, and yes, you're not wrong, but it misses the point: we're not a region that's currently raider-aligned and next year might be defender-aligned, we're a region that remains neutral and has a set of values which periodically places us in overlap with different gameplay groups. You don't seem to recognize this.
Regarding the appearance of Tom, a.k.a. "Chief Big Dog", in the Refugia server, I want to clarify that your method of de-escalating his trolling was to tell him that we are "a 200+ endo delegate on our [raiders'] side" with a "policy of voting against any Fenda commends". This goes significantly further than the public statements you shared in the above chatlog and indicates a politicized view of the region which directly contradicts the positions and values I've been describing.
Regarding the plagiarism of Refugia's "The Admin Tower" dispatch: you keep bringing up this 8 minute time frame and I want to be clear that this is not a valid defense. The reason it took place over the course of 8 minutes was that Luca became quickly aware, by chance, that you were working on this Brotherhood of Malice dispatch. If Luca hadn't found out about it so quickly, you would have spent considerably more time creating and editing the dispatch using Refugia's foundational formatting. You can't say that's not the case because that's the whole point of using such a template.
Regarding the implication that you are highly active in Refugia's Discord server: since June 1st, you've sent 88 messages. You masked two new users in the month of June.
Finally, regarding your ban from CalRef's Discord server: your actions today have given our staff and community cause to distrust your motivations within our communal spaces. Any functional community worth its salt will take preventative measures in the face of this type of behaviour.
This has been an immensely disappointing turn of events, and I hope it's clear to onlookers that these leaks and subsequent attempts to undermine faith in regional staff represent a huge breach of trust which is uncharacteristic both for Refugia and CalRef's broader culture.
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Narwhal, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Liphia, Aephony, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, New Atlantic, Nahelia, Uwuguaya, Ridmona, Pterosaur Supremacy, Magmillion
I'm going to go to sleep. But before I leave, I'd like to post a question for the people who've spoken, the people mentioned, and the onlookers:
Do you believe that I am trying to do/did what I consider/considered right for Refugia?
No.
Tiralta, New Atlantic, Magmillion
I don't think your aims matter in this capacity. You've broken a lot of our rules and are being called out for it. But ultimately no, I don't think you've done what you consider right for Refugia, I think you've done what is in your best interests at every possible point, even when it's gone against the region.
Liphia, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, New Atlantic, Pterosaur Supremacy, Magmillion
No
Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Magmillion
Natalie/Junitaki-Cho has said most I would like to, I think, however for the record as the Cat named in the moderation dispute, I would like to clarify that the rule 2 I referred to was the Calamity Refuge Code of Conduct rule 2: Discrimination is strictly prohibited, including but not limited to race, gender identity, orientation, and disability. This distinction was also clarified in the message I posted in the public channel at the time. It was pointed out to me at the time in Floor 16 that I had made a poor moderation decision and not met CalRef standards by not engaging and discussing first, for which I am sorry.
I am the Calamity Refuge moderator that was unavailable regarding removal from the Calamity Refuge server due to this discussion beginning overnight in the UK, and while I had planned to stay out of this initially due to my own fault in the named moderation incident, I will say I am extremely disappointed in the leaking of moderation channel chat logs and fully agree with the decision of Luca as the arch admin on this point.
I am also disappointed in the representation of Sylh Alanor's stance of voting against commends until the SC becomes vaguely more balanced as "voting with raiders". I believe I was the one who first proposed that stance, and after some confusion with friends who were affected by it, I took to writing a dispatch which I shared in the Refugia Floor 16 before posting to ensure that it read as neutral. Having gone to as many lengths as possible to ensure that my stance was presented fairly and neutrally despite the multiple disclaimers that I wasn't speaking on behalf of the region, that our regional stance is neutral, and that all are welcome to vote as they please, to still see it being represented as support specifically for raiders is deeply frustrating.
To have plagiarised a template which is against site rules (which I pointed out when you DM'd me about that incident), to have told another raider in DMs definitively that we are on their side, to still have references to BoM in your Refugi nation: this all strikes me as being raider first, Refugi second. While Member State status is not affected by loyalties, as a Refugi, I would prefer Councillors who will put this community before others for the duration of their 3 month term in regional office.
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Typica, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, A Million Dreams, Nahelia, Uwuguaya, Ridmona, Pterosaur Supremacy, Eusovonia
Oh, according to the wiki it is some sorta cake?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galette
Yeah, Wiener-Wien-Vienna could have been obvious for you if you understood or spoke German or had some degree of knowledge of the German language.
It is definitely not the weirdest or freakiest combo I have tried though, just one of the more memorable ones (for it being actually good).
Thank you for the prize!-I wasnt sure why my rating for valuable artwork increased, nor what I got it for, until I read the article you made!-Thank you for the fun engagement, and thank you, Typica, for being our new delegate!
How many (Uwuguayan) uwuwus is that?
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Falafelandia, Jazur, Silliy, Pterosaur Supremacy
Final Statement and Announcement of Resignation by the Officer of Operations
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1903266
Uwuguaya, Thingessness
As I seem to be one of the only nations which doesnt have a stance on this affair, I will just say this:
Thank you for your term, and farewell, falafel; I will keep appreciating you as a food item (like in the falafel) and maybe well meet again someday. Though for now, let me fill and raise to you the parting glass:
https://youtu.be/m5CNkWztk04
Typica, Aephony, Thingessness
I was initially planning on abstaining from the vote and staying out of this whole thing, but falafels breach of floor 16 chat logs and general unprofessionalism in handling this situation have convinced me to vote for the recall. Operations is a position which requires a solid understanding of the RRS, a desire to put the interests of the region above your own, and a careful use of discretion. None of these have been demonstrated.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Liphia, Everetunga-Hari, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Tidelia, Hanopia, Pterosaur Supremacy
I love that singer
Aephony, Uwuguaya
Yes, but I also believe that what you consider right for Refugia is not quite what is actually best for Refugia, so essentially you're the misguided antagonist.
Everetunga-Hari, New Atlantic, Pterosaur Supremacy
Instead of just seeing what happened they folded immediately and resigned. They may have had a chance to stay if people voted against the recall, but they decided instead to just leave themselves instead of taking the chance to keep their position. Probably for the better anyways, because in the resignation letter it says, and I quote, "...it seems clear that either I do not deserve to be a Councillor here, and/or that this community does not deserve to have me here." If Falafelandia is that self centered to truly believe what they said, I think it was a good idea for them to resign. Another thing that shows incompetency is them just repeating the same arguments over and over, disregarding the fact that everyone who bothered to respond disproved all of their points. At the very least, change up your arguments? I didn't expect anything like this to happen when I joined, and I find the situation hilarious considering I know one of the involved parties as a good friend.
Chacapoya, Narwhal, Liphia, Everetunga-Hari, A Million Dreams, Ethierys, Thingessness, Pterosaur Supremacy
Y'all 'ook at Fa'afel's residency chart?
Perhaps, we should amend the RRS to set a quota of sorts (hint hint, forum.calref.ca people, I'd 'ove to see a draft for this)
Pterosaur Supremacy
i have finally completed my Refugia S3 card collection!
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Szalyland, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Estebere, Ethierys, Hanopia, Irimara, Pterosaur Supremacy
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.