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Melenavenia wrote:Does anyone know if the ridiculously long pre-titles are still a thing? It sounds like the perfect solution...

Those are mod only I think... Mods please seek me out in the name of public good (long pretitles)!

Melenavenia, Araine, Jazur, Uwuguaya

I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man. He's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man. Misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog. I have to resort to the cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with grapeshot. "Tally ho, lads." The grapeshot shreds two men in the blast. The sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are difficult to stitch-up. Just as the founding fathers intended.

Siornor, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Tidelia, Ullrani

Antimai wrote:....?

im not sure what you're trying to get at here.

as stated by the author within the forum thread for the proposal:

Edit: For the record, I plan on criminalizing perjury in a separate resolution, so that's the main reason it's not included in this resolution.

perjury is simply not within the purview of this proposal, that will come at a later date once (presumably,) this resolution passes. this is setting up a baseline which will then be built off of. previous drafts of the resolution did include excluding those that falsely accused from having the same protections, but it was found to be too complex for a single clause (iirc). from my interpretation, the purpose of this resolution is to specifically protect victims and bring charges against those that would discriminate/harass/obfuscate the case, not altering rulings or charges or evidence gathering procedures in the actual cases once they're brought to court.

Thank you for this clarification. I cannot see now any reason not to support the current proposal.

Sylh Alanor, Jazur, Antimai, Uwuguaya

Rejakhta wrote:The rate of which a false SA claim happens changes, but I would hazard a guess to be between 1.5 and 9 percent. Not often, I'll admit. As for the rate nobody believes the victim, 690 of those are never believed or followed up on, while 310 are. But this is a rough estimate.

I'm not sure where you've gotten these numbers unless you're just truly estimating, but hard evidence in terms of an amount or rate of false accusations of SA is near impossible to quantify. every jurisdiction has its own legislation regarding SA cases, and with that comes their own definitions of what perjury is. it doesn't help that false allegations are often conflated with unfounded allegations; only one has evidence to prove that the accusation was made falsely, not just not having enough evidence to convict the accused.

in any case, in my view, a rhetoric of "doubt until proven true" in the case of SA victims is incredibly dangerous due to the current stigma already surrounding victims and the power dynamics often at play. i think that believing a victim that turns out to be lying is better than defending the accused that turns out to have actually committed a crime. regardless, i would imagine a court case isn't enjoyable for either party, let alone in the case of SA accusations. there are much easier methods of dragging someone through the mud.

Delta Vega Iv, Tiralta

Landwallis wrote:[Spoiler=Bloody RP (at least I hope that's what it is)]I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man. He's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man. Misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog. I have to resort to the cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with grapeshot. "Tally ho, lads." The grapeshot shreds two men in the blast. The sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are difficult to stitch-up. Just as the founding fathers intended.[/spoiler]

I dunno if your post will be suppressed, but in case it isn't, For God's Sake, (sorry for swearing, I just had to), Please enclose in future such things in spoiler tags (you can see an example for this in my post). This is the reason why such tags exist in the first place -- to avoid causing trauma to sensitive people (not me, Thank God). Please, be considerate.

P.S.: This was one of the best lessons I learned when moving to Mastodon.

PPS: You can still edit your post and enclose it in spoiler tags if you choose.

Antimai, Uwuguaya

Delta Vega Iv wrote:I dunno if your post will be suppressed, but in case it isn't, For God's Sake, (sorry for swearing, I just had to), Please enclose in future such things in spoiler tags (you can see an example for this in my post). This is the reason why such tags exist in the first place -- to avoid causing trauma to sensitive people (not me, Thank God). Please, be considerate.

P.S.: This was one of the best lessons I learned when moving to Mastodon.

tis a copypasta

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/9sc91k/own_a_musket_for_home_defense/[/url]

Delta Vega Iv, Siornor

I already put my thoughts on false accusations in the discord (come to discord, we have an excellent bot etc etc), but I'll repost 'em here.

"I think for me [the proposal] doesn't cover protection in the case of false accusations cause it says that they shouldn't face consequences strictly for reporting. Lying in court, wasting judicial/police time, defamation would all still be liable in the case of making a false report from my reading."

On an additional note, we can all discuss false report statistics, the rates of reports being even seen through to a court never mind justice, all that. But it is worth bearing in mind that those statistics are based on how many people report assault in the first place, and not the much larger number of people who experience assault and never report it for all sorts of reasons, but among them is always "I wouldn't be believed" or "it would just ruin my own life more". I think protections for those reporting are a good step towards increasing the number of people who feel safe and supported in seeking justice for this sort of crime.

Delta Vega Iv, Sylh Alanor, Amiyoka, Ullrani, Antimai, Uwuguaya

Refuge Isle wrote:Referendum Notice:

A referendum regarding modification of the Refugia Revised Statutes has been submitted, entitled Proscription Drug Coverage, authored by Refuge Isle, and seconded by Sylh Alanor, Tiralta, Amiyoka, and Junitaki-Cho. Having met all requirements, a vote is triggered at this time and all Member States are entitled to vote on its integration into Refugia's system of law.

You can view the text of the measure here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1796707

Vote today: https://vote.calref.network/vote/43

Voting concludes in one week, the 23rd of November, at 15:50 Pacific Daylight Time

I am not sure if I am understanding this right. Like, doesn't this mean that everybody will be subject to dissolution? We all became members of NationStates.net before Refugia after all.

The Star Enpire wrote:I am not sure if I am understanding this right. Like, doesn't this mean that everybody will be subject to dissolution? We all became members of NationStates.net before Refugia after all.

You and I are not NS leadership, and the only site staff member in our region was a member of our community before becoming site staff.

Cheesy Tots, Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka, Antimai, Uwuguaya

Sylh Alanor wrote:You and I are not NS leadership, and the only site staff member in our region was a member of our community before becoming site staff.

oh, this only applies to staff members, gotcha.

Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Tiralta, Jazur, Antimai, Uwuguaya

Landwallis wrote:I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man. He's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man. Misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog. I have to resort to the cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with grapeshot. "Tally ho, lads." The grapeshot shreds two men in the blast. The sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are difficult to stitch-up. Just as the founding fathers intended.

If George Washington didn't want me to own a musket, why would he be born? God Bless the USA

Weenus, Jazur

Post self-deleted by Landwallis.

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Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka

Landwallis wrote:.  。    •   ゚  。   .   .      .     。   。 .  .   。  ඞ 。  . • . Sylh Alanor was ejected. . .   。 .     。      ゚   .     . ,    .  .   .

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah D:

Cheesy Tots, Typica, Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka, Uwuguaya

i saw burrito in the telegram and i exist here now... or exist as much as i did before but now here :\

Typica, Tiralta, Jazur

This is another one of my puppet nations, but as it doesn't fit into my rapture region, I've decided to locate it here. I'm left-wing IRL, but I've decided to run a conservative nation in Nationstates just to think about what a hypothetical society of highly inclusive conservatives would be like.

Weenus, Jazur, Uwuguaya

Inclusive Conservatives 1 wrote:This is another one of my puppet nations, but as it doesn't fit into my rapture region, I've decided to locate it here. I'm left-wing IRL, but I've decided to run a conservative nation in Nationstates just to think about what a hypothetical society of highly inclusive conservatives would be like.

lost me at 'rapture'

Jazur, Uwuguaya

Outer Space Equality wrote:lost me at 'rapture'

I have a fictional setting that I've only played through Nationstates, the Diamonil Rapture, originally Polis Diamonil. A godling thing (possibly a super-AI) is maintaining a set of universes with a reincarnation system operating in and between them. Inclusive Conservatives 1 doesn't fit into it, because Polis Diamonil has never had a strong conservative faction.

Jazur, Uwuguaya

Inclusive Conservatives 1 wrote:I have a fictional setting that I've only played through Nationstates, the Diamonil Rapture, originally Polis Diamonil. A godling thing (possibly a super-AI) is maintaining a set of universes with a reincarnation system operating in and between them. Inclusive Conservatives 1 doesn't fit into it, because Polis Diamonil has never had a strong conservative faction.

Oh wow, is Polis Diamonil your nation?

Jazur, Uwuguaya

Outer Space Equality wrote:i saw burrito in the telegram and i exist here now... or exist as much as i did before but now here :\

Welcome! Please wait, you will be assigned an extrovert soon.

Thank you!

Jazur, Uwuguaya

Sylh Alanor wrote:Oh wow, is Polis Diamonil your nation?

What, have I been here before? I just got the recruitment telegram and thought, "Oh, they're marked as inclusive! I should go visit them."

Jazur, Uwuguaya

Post self-deleted by A Million Dreams.

RRS 3:

Inclusive Conservatives 1 has been banned from Refugia under RRS 2.b: "[...]the Resident poses a risk to the stability of Refugia or the security of its inhabitants."

Sylh Alanor, Junitaki-Cho, Scandinavia And Colorado, Tiralta, Tidelia, Antimai, Uwuguaya

Thoughts on my card? https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=4854862

Cheesy Tots, Liphia, Tiralta, Antimai

Cloak Of White wrote:Thoughts on my card? https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=4854862

oh thats cool ^^

Tiralta, Jazur, Antimai

Cloak Of White wrote:Thoughts on my card? https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=4854862

I like it!

Jazur, Antimai

Antimai wrote:....?

im not sure what you're trying to get at here.

as stated by the author within the forum thread for the proposal:

Edit: For the record, I plan on criminalizing perjury in a separate resolution, so that's the main reason it's not included in this resolution.

perjury is simply not within the purview of this proposal, that will come at a later date once (presumably,) this resolution passes. this is setting up a baseline which will then be built off of. previous drafts of the resolution did include excluding those that falsely accused from having the same protections, but it was found to be too complex for a single clause (iirc). from my interpretation, the purpose of this resolution is to specifically protect victims and bring charges against those that would discriminate/harass/obfuscate the case, not altering rulings or charges or evidence gathering procedures in the actual cases once they're brought to court.

Yes, but for me the phrasing there is a bit unclear plus it misses coverage, plus it’s only mild.

Jazur

Anyone excited for the WorldCup??

Portmanteau, Uwuguaya

Polushia wrote:Anyone excited for the WorldCup??

The men’s one?-No. The women’s one?-Yes.

Delta Vega Iv, Liphia, Jazur

Hmmm.

Still uncertain about this thing (I'm talking to myself here out loud at this stage).

If certain action is taken by others, I'll have to reconsider how I react.

Do I just stay silent (and content myself in not supporting it)?

Do I speak up against it in advance?

Do I just decide that, if worst comes to worst, I just pack up and leave?

I know the context is missing, but it is a real dilemma for me and I cannot share it here, only rant.

Thank you for listening.

Weenus, Cheesy Tots, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Waywards Edge, Uwuguaya

Cloak Of White wrote:Thoughts on my card? https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=4854862

Very nice design. Well thought-out.

Polushia wrote:Anyone excited for the WorldCup??

Not me. I never had that much of an interest in Commercialized / Televised Sports, but for this event I have negative interest (I.e., I'm going to boycott it and take no part in reading about it/discussing it).

Thank you for listening.

Portmanteau, Tiralta, Uwuguaya

Delta Vega Iv wrote:Hmmm.

Still uncertain about this thing (I'm talking to myself here out loud at this stage).

If certain action is taken by others, I'll have to reconsider how I react.

Do I just stay silent (and content myself in not supporting it)?

Do I speak up against it in advance?

Do I just decide that, if worst comes to worst, I just pack up and leave?

I know the context is missing, but it is a real dilemma for me and I cannot share it here, only rant.

Thank you for listening.

I hope you're okay Delta <3

Portmanteau, Uwuguaya

Delta Vega Iv wrote:Hmmm.

Still uncertain about this thing (I'm talking to myself here out loud at this stage).

If certain action is taken by others, I'll have to reconsider how I react.

Do I just stay silent (and content myself in not supporting it)?

Do I speak up against it in advance?

Do I just decide that, if worst comes to worst, I just pack up and leave?

I know the context is missing, but it is a real dilemma for me and I cannot share it here, only rant.

Thank you for listening.

If your heart asks you to speak, be not silent.

Cheesy Tots, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Uwuguaya

Delta Vega Iv wrote:Hmmm.

Still uncertain about this thing (I'm talking to myself here out loud at this stage).

If certain action is taken by others, I'll have to reconsider how I react.

Do I just stay silent (and content myself in not supporting it)?

Do I speak up against it in advance?

Do I just decide that, if worst comes to worst, I just pack up and leave?

I know the context is missing, but it is a real dilemma for me and I cannot share it here, only rant.

Thank you for listening.

It’s difficult to help you without knowing the issue at hand. I do hope though that you can resolve it by finding the best possible answer within yourself. I wish you good thinking.

Portmanteau, Tiralta

Delta Vega Iv wrote:Not me. I never had that much of an interest in Commercialized / Televised Sports, but for this event I have negative interest (I.e., I'm going to boycott it and take no part in reading about it/discussing it).

Thank you for listening.

Yes, I will probably boycott it, too, plus I have absolutely zero interest in it.

Weenus, Liphia

Uwuguaya wrote:The men’s one?-No. The women’s one?-Yes.

*The women's one?-No.

Delta Vega Iv wrote:Hmmm.

Still uncertain about this thing (I'm talking to myself here out loud at this stage).

If certain action is taken by others, I'll have to reconsider how I react.

Do I just stay silent (and content myself in not supporting it)?

Do I speak up against it in advance?

Do I just decide that, if worst comes to worst, I just pack up and leave?

I know the context is missing, but it is a real dilemma for me and I cannot share it here, only rant.

Thank you for listening.

I guess it really depends

I would speak out

If you do need someone to talk to though, dm me on the discord. I am always happy to talk to other people.

Portmanteau, Tiralta

Uwuguaya wrote:Yes, but for me the phrasing there is a bit unclear plus it misses coverage, plus it’s only mild.

i think you quoted the wrong post, but regardless- the wording is cut and dry in my eyes? like i said in my original response, you removed the rest of the context, so of course it would appear unclear. what do you mean by misses coverage?

Tiralta, Uwuguaya

Referendum Notice:

It's the last day to vote in the referendum regarding the embassy with Celtia. Consider voting today if you have not already.

https://vote.calref.network/vote/42

Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Jazur

poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

Portmanteau, Jazur, Antimai

Delta Vega Iv wrote:Hmmm.

Still uncertain about this thing (I'm talking to myself here out loud at this stage).

If certain action is taken by others, I'll have to reconsider how I react.

Do I just stay silent (and content myself in not supporting it)?

Do I speak up against it in advance?

Do I just decide that, if worst comes to worst, I just pack up and leave?

I know the context is missing, but it is a real dilemma for me and I cannot share it here, only rant.

Thank you for listening.

If in doubt, scream and shout. Tell everyone, be an activist. If you were fine with it, deep in your subconscious, you wouldn’t be having this dilemma. If you had no problem with it, you’d have no problem with the decision of what to do with it. If- hmm. You see- no. …I’m running out of ways to phrase it. Just speak up, you’d be helping yourself and probably others less brave than you.

Delta Vega Iv, Cheesy Tots, Portmanteau, Jazur

Waywards Edge wrote:poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

flight rising 😎

edit: ive taken a break from it for a bit so i forgot, but should probably also say i do a Lot of D&D

Portmanteau, Waywards Edge

Waywards Edge wrote:poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

I volunteer, and I play Sims on and off. Theoretically I like reading but I haven't had the concentration to do much of that this year.

Portmanteau, Waywards Edge, Antimai

Waywards Edge wrote:What do you do in your free time besides NS?

Lots of housework; and I'm a student, so I do schoolwork too. When I'm not doing that, I enjoy taking the train and reading!

Portmanteau, Tiralta, Waywards Edge, Antimai

Waywards Edge wrote:poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

*nervous laughter* I have no free time. NS is my free time.

Portmanteau, Waywards Edge

Antimai wrote:flight rising 😎

edit: ive taken a break from it for a bit so i forgot, but should probably also say i do a Lot of D&D

Never heard of it, might look into it later

Tiralta wrote:I volunteer, and I play Sims on and off. Theoretically I like reading but I haven't had the concentration to do much of that this year.

Same, I try to volunteer but student problems.

Amiyoka wrote:Lots of housework; and I'm a student, so I do schoolwork too. When I'm not doing that, I enjoy taking the train and reading!

*cries in schoolwork*

*laughs in NS being available on my chromebook*

Neurodiversity wrote:*nervous laughter* I have no free time. NS is my free time.

S [sub](h)[/sub] ame

Portmanteau, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai

Waywards Edge wrote:Never heard of it, might look into it later

do you know neopets? it's basically that. but with dragons. and very good art

Tiralta

Antimai wrote:flight rising 😎

edit: ive taken a break from it for a bit so i forgot, but should probably also say i do a Lot of D&D

OH MY GOD FLIGHT RISING

That was highkey my special interest like 4 years ago (I was in Earth but I didn't talk much on the forums, I just made fun dergs)

Antimai

Sylh Alanor wrote:Welcome Weenus, Astriova, Lakhmira, Lund Sovi, Tavinstadt, Zathokis, Tobiastan, Nikraga, Kon Deaslater, Laus Cenickdoirshant, Republik Wien, Libervillea, Dijibuti, Lavender Haze, Vas Rath, Magmixia, Degin Telda, Numenburg, Great Cheyenne, Upper Feltrop-Herronia, Biochernobly, Goose Republik, Kakkaran, Brasoniana, Outer Space Equality, Plastik, and Vatican city town

Thank you for joining our region! This post is not only to welcome you, but also to give you a basic introduction to Refugia and ways to interact with the community if you’re interested in doing so.

Refugia is part of a larger community, Calamity Refuge (or CalRef for short). If you want to hang out with us, check out our Discord server: https://calref.network/chat/. You can find a list of CalRef services on our Network Site: https://calref.network/. From there, you can access our forum (for RP and spam games), Wiki (to collaborate on RP and regional documents and information), a full list of our Discord bot Dot's commands, and more!

There are a lot of things you can do on NationStates and in Refugia! Become a Member State by joining the World Assembly. Once you’ve joined the World Assembly and have been in the region for 7 days, you’ll be able to get a spot on the map of Refugia, as well as vote in our regional elections and run for Council positions! You can also endorse other nations in the region easily by using our custom tool, Tart.Calref: https://tart.calref.network/ For more information, please check out this dispatch, which includes information on what the World Assembly is and why it’s important.

If you are visiting on a puppet nation, please disclose your main and reason for visiting to our Operations Councillor, A Million Dreams.

Finally, if there’s anything else you’re interested in learning about our region or NationStates, feel free to ask! I’ll incorporate feedback into these welcome messages in the future, so you’ll be helping other people as well!

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Libervillea, Great Cheyenne, Upper Feltrop-Herronia, Jesus E Deus

Tiralta wrote:OH MY GOD FLIGHT RISING

That was highkey my special interest like 4 years ago (I was in Earth but I didn't talk much on the forums, I just made fun dergs)

that's awesome! i haven't, uh, touched the forums at all (and idk if i will) but i do very much enjoy pairing together and caring for my dragons. my user is mnmix if you're still active!

Cheesy Tots, Tiralta, Jazur, Uwuguaya

Antimai wrote:that's awesome! i haven't, uh, touched the forums at all (and idk if i will) but i do very much enjoy pairing together and caring for my dragons. my user is mnmix if you're still active!

I made a new account just now cause I can't remember my old one's email, but I'm now Tiralta there too :D

Cheesy Tots, Jazur, Antimai, Uwuguaya

Antimai wrote:do you know neopets? it's basically that. but with dragons. and very good art

the only thing i know about neopets is that it was run by scientologists or something like that lol

Tiralta, Jazur, Antimai

Waywards Edge wrote:the only thing i know about neopets is that it was run by scientologists or something like that lol

iirc scientologists attempted to buy into neopets, but the deal fell through lmao

Tiralta, Jazur, Waywards Edge

Antimai wrote:iirc scientologists attempted to buy into neopets, but the deal fell through lmao

I probably misremembered lol

Jazur

Hello :)

Tiralta, Jazur, Antimai, Plastik

The Tornspan wrote:Hello :)

Hello! :>

Jazur

Antimai wrote:iirc scientologists attempted to buy into neopets, but the deal fell through lmao

No, Scientologists owned a controlling interest in the company for years and tried to apply their own business model and teachings to it. The founders fought them on it and won, but there was still a several year period when that was the ownership.

Tiralta, Jazur, Antimai

Junitaki-Cho wrote:No, Scientologists owned a controlling interest in the company for years and tried to apply their own business model and teachings to it. The founders fought them on it and won, but there was still a several year period when that was the ownership.

huh, interesting

Jazur

Post self-deleted by Jesus E Deus.

Jesus E Deus wrote:eu só quero é ser feliz, com bolsonaro presidente do pais, e poder me orgulhar de ter um presidente que não gosta de roubar.

¿Tú hablas inglés? Refugia no es una región portuguesa

Jazur

Junitaki-Cho wrote:¿Tú hablas inglés? Refugia no es una región portuguesa

sorry i did not know

Junitaki-Cho wrote:¿Tú hablas inglés? Refugia no es una región portuguesa

luckily i know

Landwallis wrote:*The women's one?-No.

So will you watch the men’s one?-I will not for various reasons.

Antimai wrote:edit: ive taken a break from it for a bit so i forgot, but should probably also say i do a Lot of D&D

I've only played d&d a couple of times, but I consume vast quantities of TTRPG actual play podcasts and streams, so I have a great fondness for the game and its world. I hope to one day have my own steady group to play with.

Typica, Tiralta, Antimai

Antimai wrote:i think you quoted the wrong post, but regardless- the wording is cut and dry in my eyes? like i said in my original response, you removed the rest of the context, so of course it would appear unclear. what do you mean by misses coverage?

It must be clear no matter the context. If it isn’t it’s not perfect and if it ain’t perfect it ain’t worth it. The wording is important and this, this isn’t given here.

It misses coverage of protection of SAV’s in cases not covered here; its being quite foggy; it doesn’t even define who a SAV is and what form of reparations they get if any.

Furthermore article 4 is really, really vague, it isn’t specifying the punishment per se.

Overall it is really indeterminately worded, misses definitions and is an unusual work of incredibly sloppy rhetoric but at the end of the day, there’s nothing substantial to be detected. I also have no clue where the bill is for the punishment of the culprit/offender. When will it come?

Antimai

Imagine if they finally reveal what the Sushi Rice happened during the Great Gulon Incident in Stellarlune.

As if I'll be reading it anytime soon. I get the feeling that KotLC will take like 20 days to reread- and that isn't even counting Stellarlune.

Brought to you by the Ministry of Obscure References' Written Works Branch(MORWWB)

Plastik wrote:Hello! :>

bonjour

Waywards Edge wrote:poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

I play the bass and guitar in my free time as well as play a couple of video games. I used to play them a lot more, but I’ve been swamped with schoolwork recently, so I can’t find much time anymore

Tiralta, Jazur

Waywards Edge wrote:poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

I’ve been playing a lot of Elden Ring and Horizon Forbidden West lately

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Tiralta, A Million Dreams, Jazur, Waywards Edge

Waywards Edge wrote:poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

I usually play Destiny 2, Final Fantasy 14, or Stellaris

Sylh Alanor, Tiralta, Waywards Edge

Waywards Edge wrote:What do you do in your free time besides NS?

My favorite thing to do is go on hikes and walks with my dog! I also spend a lot of time training him and I sometimes I go camping. I play video games (mostly just apex legends), research random stuff, listen to indie music, and do nothing™. I also enjoy reading novels but I haven’t had enough time to read much this year aside from assigned school stuff. Right now I have to read War and Peace for English class and it’s over an hour of reading every day. It’s really well written but kind of boring and definitely not the kind of book that I would read for fun.

Tiralta, Waywards Edge

Waywards Edge wrote:poll because there is no poll

What do you do in your free time besides NS?

there is no such thing as free time

Tiralta, Jazur, Waywards Edge

The Pacific Northwest wrote:I’ve been playing a lot of Elden Ring and Horizon Forbidden West lately

I have Forbidden West, I just haven't gotten into it

Rejakhta wrote:I usually play Destiny 2, Final Fantasy 14, or Stellaris

I sometimes mess around on D2, I burned out last season. I've just started getting into Stellaris, it was on sale on the store

Araine wrote:My favorite thing to do is go on hikes and walks with my dog! I also spend a lot of time training him and I sometimes I go camping. I play video games (mostly just apex legends), research random stuff, listen to indie music, and do nothing™. I also enjoy reading novels but I haven’t had enough time to read much this year aside from assigned school stuff. Right now I have to read War and Peace for English class and it’s over an hour of reading every day. It’s really well written but kind of boring and definitely not the kind of book that I would read for fun.

I've gone on a hike before. It left me sore and I slept afterwards. I also have look into random stuff syndrome when bored. English class is my favorite class mostly because i'm one of the only kids that does their work.

Libervillea wrote:there is no such thing as free time

Okay, let me phrase it differently

If you wake up bored at 3am and you got nothing[sup]TM[/sup] to do

Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Uwuguaya

Waywards Edge wrote:If you wake up bored at 3am and you got nothing[sup]TM[/sup] to do

go back to sleep[sup]TM[/sup]

Araine, Tiralta, Jazur, Uwuguaya

Libervillea wrote:go back to sleep[sup]TM[/sup]

what if you can't go back to sleep[sup]TM[/sup]

Jazur, Uwuguaya

Waywards Edge wrote:If you wake up bored at 3am and you got nothing[sup]TM[/sup] to do

My answer there is "go on the CalRef discord and say hello". I love that we've got a good mix of timezones so there are always Awake Friends <3

Araine, Jazur, Waywards Edge, Uwuguaya

I have once again resurrected from the graves! What's new?

Tiralta, Uwuguaya

Tiralta wrote:My answer there is "go on the CalRef discord and say hello". I love that we've got a good mix of timezones so there are always Awake Friends <3

*tries to go onto computer*

*my dad who fell asleep watching metallica*

Werstonal wrote:I have once again resurrected from the graves! What's new?

We found the solution to world hunger and told no one

N-Day and Z-Day have passed

Tiralta

Werstonal wrote:I have once again resurrected from the graves! What's new?

Hey, how's it going? :D

Is "I see the world as is. Do you see me?" a good motto to put on my card?

Araine, Neurodiversity, Uwuguaya

Uwuguaya wrote:It must be clear no matter the context. If it isn’t it’s not perfect and if it ain’t perfect it ain’t worth it. The wording is important and this, this isn’t given here.

It misses coverage of protection of SAV’s in cases not covered here; its being quite foggy; it doesn’t even define who a SAV is and what form of reparations they get if any.

Furthermore article 4 is really, really vague, it isn’t specifying the punishment per se.

Overall it is really indeterminately worded, misses definitions and is an unusual work of incredibly sloppy rhetoric but at the end of the day, there’s nothing substantial to be detected. I also have no clue where the bill is for the punishment of the culprit/offender. When will it come?

I'll just politely agree to disagree with your first point; in my eyes the entire sentence is the only way in which it can be genuinely viewed, not... half of it- perfectionism aside.

secondly, I'm not sure what you mean by "cases not covered here," the resolution is specifically for protecting victims that report SA. it's exclusive for a reason. with not defining what a SAV is, I don't have any particular opinions- though as for reparations, i would say that's outside of the author's intended scope. this baseline of protecting victim reports is being established before anything else.

i agree that the 4th article is unfortunately vague ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

with your last point though, to my knowledge, the author hasn't stated that that's a resolution they'll be writing, instead wanting to follow this one up with a resolution pertaining to perjury in relation to SA reports.

Tiralta, Uwuguaya

I just like futeboll. Do I like the World Cup is in Qatar? No. Do I want to see people kicking a ball for 90 minutes? Yes

Tiralta

Junitaki-Cho wrote:Endorsements are nice because they can give you 1% gold badges in endorsements and influence, so endorsing everyone and getting endorsed back makes you immediately cooler. Endorsing the World Assembly Delegate - the person with the most endorsements in the nation - increases how much their vote counts for, which makes our region have more of a say in WA legislation passing or failing. And it also acts as a type of security: in the unlikely event that someone tried to take over our nation, everybody having high influence is good for us because it makes it harder for invaders to kick people. There's no reason not to spread the endorsement love around, and if it seems like a hassle, you can try Tart Dot CalRef to streamline the process.

Late reply, sorry. Thank you though! I thought I could only endorse one nation at the same time lol

Tiralta, Antimai, Uwuguaya

Polushia wrote:I just like futeboll. Do I like the World Cup is in Qatar? No. Do I want to see people kicking a ball for 90 minutes? Yes

I’m not a fan of football in general, but my country got through for the first time since 1958, so I’m watching it this year. I wish it wasn’t in Qatar though.

Polushia

I just found a mistake in the proposed SC resolution so I am strongly suggesting to repeal it entirely.

Maybe the author can withdraw it, too, or we have to start to write a repeal for the proposed resolution.

Polushia wrote:I just like futeboll. Do I like the World Cup is in Qatar? No. Do I want to see people kicking a ball for 90 minutes? Yes

That’s very weak willed.

Yes, Qatar is a bad place for hosting it due to enforced slavery of guest labour (many guest labourers, mainly Indians, go their for better payment and die due to the climate and harsh conditions on the construction sites); neither FIFA nor UEFA nor any of the main football leagues do really care for the aforementioned nor LGBT+ rights, despite advertising for it. The footballers who participate are-in large parts-not in favour of LGBT+ rights either; then there’s the issue regarding sponsors like Emirates and Etihad airlines, oil companies, etc. It just goes on and on and on and is basically a long and never ending list of reasons of why not to watch the men’s World Cup 2022. To me, at least, that is.

Though I’d also be concerned from an ethical pov; meanwhile with women’s World Cup(s) it’s so far not as commercialised and bad as the men’s one. Plus all female teams do seem to be rather supportive of LGBT+ rights and people, unlike the men. Thus my stance is clear.

Polushia, Neurodiversity

Uwuguaya wrote:I just found a mistake in the proposed SC resolution so I am strongly suggesting to repeal it entirely.

Maybe the author can withdraw it, too, or we have to start to write a repeal for the proposed resolution.

The current SC vote is already a repeal. You can't just repeal a repeal, that way lies madness! Next you'll be dipping chips in mashed potatoes or eating toast sandwiches!

Typica, Tiralta, Antimai, Wolfielandia, Heinfield, Tavinstadt, Uwuguaya

Antimai wrote:I'll just politely agree to disagree with your first point; in my eyes the entire sentence is the only way in which it can be genuinely viewed, not... half of it- perfectionism aside.

secondly, I'm not sure what you mean by "cases not covered here," the resolution is specifically for protecting victims that report SA. it's exclusive for a reason. with not defining what a SAV is, I don't have any particular opinions- though as for reparations, i would say that's outside of the author's intended scope. this baseline of protecting victim reports is being established before anything else.

i agree that the 4th article is unfortunately vague ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

with your last point though, to my knowledge, the author hasn't stated that that's a resolution they'll be writing, instead wanting to follow this one up with a resolution pertaining to perjury in relation to SA reports.

You almost, just almost, convinced me there to vote for it. Also it’s only in the mild category when such a resolution really shouldn’t be. It should be more harsh, not mild. At least, as I understood it the category might make a change regarding enactment, right?

Antimai

Sylh Alanor wrote:The current SC vote is already a repeal. You can't just repeal a repeal, that way lies madness! Next you'll be dipping chips in mashed potatoes or eating toast sandwiches!

I will write a repeal for a repeal if I have to. Either that or you all vote for repeal on the current proposed SC resolution.

Wolfielandia

Uwuguaya wrote:I will write a repeal for a repeal if I have to. Either that or you all vote for repeal on the current proposed SC resolution.

I've already voted against the repeal so there is little more I can do lol

Typica, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Antimai, Wolfielandia, Uwuguaya

Sylh Alanor wrote:I've already voted against the repeal so there is little more I can do lol

I am trying to talk to some of the most esteemed delegates with the most weight behind them directly; maybe I can make at least one of them change their mind.

If you have any contact to them which you could use or any other means to use your influence as you are most certainly one of the most esteemed delegates on NationStates you can at least try to convince them not to vote for it.

Wolfielandia

Uwuguaya wrote:I am trying to talk to some of the most esteemed delegates with the most weight behind them directly; maybe I can make at least one of them change their mind.

If you have any contact to them which you could use or any other means to use your influence as you are most certainly one of the most esteemed delegates on NationStates you can at least try to convince them not to vote for it.

See the thing you gotta know about me is, since I don't tie my vote to inter-regional pressure or requests, other delegates really wouldn't care what I have to say lol. They'll put on tiny glasses and pull out a ledger so they can point to me voting against their GA resolution on the relative sizes of salad spoons in 2020 and tell me that was the moment I was dead to them.

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Antimai, Wolfielandia, Uwuguaya

Sylh Alanor wrote:See the thing you gotta know about me is, since I don't tie my vote to inter-regional pressure or requests, other delegates really wouldn't care what I have to say lol. They'll put on tiny glasses and pull out a ledger so they can point to me voting against their GA resolution on the relative sizes of salad spoons in 2020 and tell me that was the moment I was dead to them.

As someone who has only been here since 2021, I cannot believe you didn't make me aware of your opinions on the relative sizes of salad spoons prior to this moment. Drafting "Condemn Sylh Alanor" as we speak. :P

Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Antimai, Wolfielandia, Dyrand

Tiralta wrote:As someone who has only been here since 2021, I cannot believe you didn't make me aware of your opinions on the relative sizes of salad spoons prior to this moment. Drafting "Condemn Sylh Alanor" as we speak. :P

I always knew those spoons would be the death of me!

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Tiralta, Antimai, Wolfielandia

Uwuguaya wrote:I will write a repeal for a repeal if I have to.

Mechanically it isn't physically possible to repeal a repeal, there's no button to accomplish it.

But yes, as the author of the target resolution, I recommend voting against its repeal, which is fuelled by nothing more than pettiness and which carries a cost the repeal author does not even understand.

Sylh Alanor, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Antimai, Wolfielandia, Uwuguaya

Sylh Alanor wrote:See the thing you gotta know about me is, since I don't tie my vote to inter-regional pressure or requests, other delegates really wouldn't care what I have to say lol. They'll put on tiny glasses and pull out a ledger so they can point to me voting against their GA resolution on the relative sizes of salad spoons in 2020 and tell me that was the moment I was dead to them.

Oww :(

Well, at least you could try, maybe?

Still thank you for being you and being our delegate. :)

Sylh Alanor

Refuge Isle wrote:Mechanically it isn't physically possible to repeal a repeal, there's no button to accomplish it.

But yes, as the author of the target resolution, I recommend voting against its repeal, which is fuelled bynothing more than pettiness and which carries a cost the repeal author does not even understand.

You can’t repeal a repeal?-What madness is this?-Please, you‘ll have no enemy in me, as I’ve already voted AGAINST this insane proposal to repeal the condemnation of a raider.

If this resolution passes and given it’s possible, I would be more than honoured to be your co-author for a new condemnation of Ever-Wandering Souls.

Ok, so Giovanniland is a firm no; they will vote FOR the currently proposed SC resolution; they didn’t specify why though.

Tepertopia on the other hand came up with a very good and well mannered response.

Tepertopia’s reply:

Hello Uwuguaya!

Thank you for sharing your concerns with me!

I see you're already aware of the kind-of reverse effect of condemnations in the eyes of the raider community, but this is actually the very reason why the at-vote proposal should pass. Repealing this "badge of honor" for a well-known raider would be a big hit in the face for the raider community, since they weren't able to protect one of their own from losing a valued badge.

TSP as a defender region will always support the defeat of raiders wherever possible, and this proposal would set a precedent of the Security Council simply not recognizing ‒ and thus rewarding ‒ the actions of raiders with a badge anymore, and thereby contributing to their exclusion from a central element of the game.

Of course this won't stop raiding itself, but neither will condemning them (as you mentioned), so slowly ostracizing raiders is the most effective remaining option.

Therefore, TSP's vote will remain For, unless the Cabinet instructs me otherwise. I hope you understand.

~ Tepertopia~

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