Post Archive
Region: Refugia
I'm currently neutral
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Winlandy
Fair enough, but if I may ask - why so? o.o
Floofybit, St Leone, Winlandy
NatSov-cloaked arguments which claim any use of funding that support arts programs are misappropriate resources do not understand or value the Education and Creativity GA categories, and have no business operating a repeal which target their subjects. I'm unconvinced that an independent arbitrator will be biased and divert funding away from music they don't personally enjoy, and question how a self-respecting author might think that was possibly an argument for their case. The austerity-themed cynicism that the repeal's third clause is based on is borderline offensive.
Soundly against.
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Honeydewistania, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, St Leone, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Post self-deleted by Addy And Arielle.
However, a point you raised in the Calref Discord and something I just completely forgot was that the WA gnomes* exist. From what I can see, they're the ones who staff the Museum, and therefore would be responsible for finding the arbiter. Based on that, it's pretty safe to assume the gnomes would find a perfectly unbiased arbiter (probably another gnome somewhere) to deal with the issue. Based on that, what you say is true and the repeal's arguments fall flat. Your points in the proposal's apparent distaste for art are something I didn't pick up on, but now that I see it I do agree it isn't a good outlook (although not enough to vote against the repeal if the core argument was solid, which it isn't).
Therefore, I'll await to see others' thoughts but if nothing comes up I'll proooobably change my rec to against tomorrow, I'll see.
*For those who do not know (or just forgot like me TwT), it's presumed that all WA-instituted entities (like the Museums Of Musical Heritage) are staffed by perfect gnomes who can preform the committee's work in a perfect technical and ethical manner. The reason this assumption exists is because if one presumes the WA is corrupted and/or not working properly, then the entire WA would simply fail as an institution. Working off this assumption of the gnome staffers, it is therefore logical that the MoMH can find a perfect arbiter to handle its tasks because the people who run it do everything perfectly - thereby nullifying the repeal's arguments.
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, St Leone, Tiralta, Jazur, Parvesha
I totally agree with Refuge Isle, because of these Gnomes. May also remind everyone that it is better to oppose a badly-written repeal even if we think the original porposal needs to be repealed, because a repeal cannot itself be repealed.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, St Leone, Tiralta, Parvesha
I got a telegram from some random nation telling me to, and i quote "VOTE AGAINST" the WA resolution repeal. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures lol
Floofybit, Portmanteau
Who sent the telegram, I think I know who it is.
Floofybit, Portmanteau, St Leone
"The World of Simone Republic" idk who it is, i thought i had blocked all telegrams but i guess not lol
Floofybit, Portmanteau
That's the writer of the resolution. They likely don't want their resolution repealed so they are trying to sway people to vote otherwise.
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, St Leone, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Yea that makes sense, i havent looked too much into either the original resolution or the repeal tbh cx
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Istastioner
Yeah, I'm not that into the world assembly much either. If you ever feel like voting on a resolution, but don't understand the resolution or can't tell whether you're for or against, I always find it a safe option to vote with the delegate for the good of Refugia.
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, St Leone, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
yea thats what i do 99% of the time, im more into internal politics so mostly just vote what the delegate does
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Istastioner
*don't let them know you vote with the majority when you don't care about the resolution*
Y-yeah I do so much research all the time! Your vote is so safe with me for sure.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, St Leone, Dacay, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Yeah I thought it was him
Floofybit, Portmanteau
*hauls over the entirety of my trust and plops it down into your hands*
Ah, I knew I could count on you to lead by example!
Chacapoya, Honeydewistania, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, St Leone, Dacay, Tiralta, Parvesha
Fair enough, yeah.
Delta Vega Iv, Honeydewistania, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
If its not an issue I feel particularly strongly about I too just vote with our delegate. Ive been meaning to get into the WA more and actually read forum debates and at least skim every current resolution on the books. I imagine Ill get to that eventually but in the meantime my vote is in the hands of other people most of the time.
I also noticed what appears to be an exact copy of the resolution currently being repealed has been submitted by another nation with the author being listed as a co-author. Im not sure what the legality of it is but regardless it really strikes me as odd that they wouldnt at least try to fix the things its being repealed for.
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Dacay, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
(Notice at the top, please do not quote this entire message! It will alert every nation tagged. If you quote the message for a reply, cut out the nations being tagged at the top so they don't get overwhelmed with notifications. Thanks so much!)
Welcome Swoulor, Flurgzistan, Dos Brasilianos, Alstromen, Serilussark, Klag, Evangelion0, Surbetia, Moud Ard, Rouingaeha Moistersland, Union_Of_South_Republics, Republic Of Middle East, Ameth, North Warischobiamivemps, Nametane, Koz Bank 4, Venetra, Itfral, Chazrachia, United Imperium Of Ararat, Scarlett Thorne, Copper And Turquoise, Slapstickopal, Noahistia, New Ras, Redahiel, Outer Islanattcrozerny, Museania, Atramentous, Lis, Cornonor, Volkerstamm_Deutschlands, Unhappy_Amerigah, Yathanne, Barn_Island, Joutou, Sodertorn, Weeeehzzdgs, and Southern_Skane to Refugia!
It's so nice to have you all here! Theres a lot of great information in the welcome telegram youve already received, but I have a few things that might help settling into the region easier. Refugia is part of a larger community named Calamity Refuge, or CalRef. We have a discord here: https://calref.network/chat/ and a forum here: https://calref.cc/index.php. Links for both are in the region description box at the top of this page. We host game nights and movie nights from the discord server from time to time. On the forum we have RPs and spam games (not really related to NS). If you want a place to just chill and talk to friendly people, those are great spaces for that.
If you haven't already done so, please consider joining the World Assembly and endorsing the delegate (that's me!). Click the link to learn more information on what that means and how to do it. If you join the World Assembly, you can endorse as many other nations in the region as you want, and get endorsed in return. You'll also become a Refugia Member State, which means you can vote in our elections and get a spot on our map of Refugia!
If you have any questions, please let us know. Everyone here is really friendly- I think weve only ever had one fatality from an introduction. If you prefer to read something pre-written over asking, however, check out this dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1449847
Finally, if you are an alt nation (which just means if the nation tagged in this welcome message is not your main nation on NationStates), it is required by regional law for you to report your main nation and intentions in Refugia to the Operations Councillor (that's also me!). Thanks so much.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Nekhuser-Ra, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, St Leone, Dacay, Tiralta, Jazur, Parvesha, Ameth
Eco-tag, attempt number 2!
Typica, can you raise your eco-friendliness stat to 29,100? When you do, you can choose the next victim of eco-tag. >:)
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Aephony, Jazur, Parvesha
Challenge accepted!
Chacapoya, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Tiralta, Jazur, Parvesha
It's already difficult enough staying ahead of Typica in eco friendliness aaaaaa 😱
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Tiralta, Jazur, Parvesha
Hurrah!
Two for the price of one *evil laugh*
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Jazur, Parvesha
yeah so..uhhh... my leader is on trial for murder apparently
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Polushia, Istastioner, Parvesha
Post self-deleted by Istastioner.
Trial by combat 👀👀
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, New Filippe, Liphia, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha, Chazrachia
Good evening friends <3
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Tiralta, Parvesha
Hello
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Tiralta
I've became father knows the best state.
One question.
Why?
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Istastioner
OK IM BACK
As promised, after seeing all le discussion I will be reversing my recommendation and recommending a vote AGAINST Repeal "Museums Of Musical Heritage".
The section has two fatal flaws as presented by Refugi here & in the Discord:
The repeal's core argument is that because there is no guidelines set by the target, the "impartial arbiter" the MoMH must appoint to award compensation may face biases of their own whilst setting their own guidelines - thereby encouraging musicians to seek compensation to exploit the arbiter. However, this proves a false argument if one accepts the widely revered WA gnomes as I explain here. The WA will appoint an impartial arbiter with no biases. Thereby, this argument falls apart.
Another issue is the repeal's issue with musicians asking for monetary compensation for their work. Section 1 basically argues that compensation makes donations less likely; Section 3 argues the target resolution leads to supporting the musical industry to a level not meant by the target. While both are broadly & technically true, they aren't really a concern - artists work extensively hard to produce art including musical pieces, so if they wish to submit them to a public database then it is absolutely their right to seek compensation for it (and in cases where compensation may not be warranted, well, the WA gnomes will decide what to do). In short, this repeal's stance against the welfare of musicians is a bad precedent to set, and therefore shouldn't be supported.
Much thanks to y'all for actively discussing, as pretty much all the above I mentioned came not from my thought process but from those of y'all. Appreciate it ^-^
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Istastioner, Jazur, Parvesha
Classifications are determined by where you position in civil rights, political freedom, and economic freedom.
In your case, you changed because you gained additional economic freedom.
This may help:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1446209
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Jazur, Crabani, Parvesha
I think that's funny to have "father knows the best state" between other more serious things like, other dictatorships.
Delta Vega Iv, Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Aephony
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Istastioner, Parvesha
AephonyⓇ brings minimalist and abstract flags to a whole new level.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Liphia, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner
That's some top notch branding you've got going on.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Everetunga-Hari, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
I commend this proposition 🥹
[spoiler]Also, it's hard to type with one hand cause I just fractured my finger.[/spoiler]
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Aephony, Tiralta, Parvesha
Ouch. Hope it heals soon.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Aephony, Tiralta, Parvesha
awe D:
Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
hi :)
Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
Hello
Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha, Canada 15
I have a query, how many of us Refugi ( think is the plural for Refugia but k may be wrong ) have taken the 16 personalities quiz if not I highly recommend you do and if so what is your personality
Do you mean the MBTI personality tests?
Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
mf i wish thats something we could do here x)
Trial by combat for murder is like double-kill or bust
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Floofybit, Parvesha
Zad
how are u doing this tuesday?
Floofybit
pretty good, how bout you?
Floofybit
If you mean MBTI, I got ESTJ last time I took it. I much prefer the enneagram though.
Delta Vega Iv, Araine, Floofybit, Parvesha
Gud 👍
Floofybit
Heyy guys, I am new and I am glad to be apart of this huge peace-loving, LGBTQIA+ positive place and I am glad to have everyone as an ally!
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, New Filippe, Portmanteau, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha
👍👍
👋 ❤️
🙏🙏
🌞☕
Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
morning friends
Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Afternoon from over the globe babs
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Good morning!
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
yes
Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha, Akiracat
I just accidentally forbade my citizens from connecting to the internet
Delta Vega Iv, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha, New Ras
Now just prevent them from leaving the country
Delta Vega Iv, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha, New Ras
I have just managed to keep up a 'high' tax so our economy will increased whilst still being able to satisfy all by allowing them to decided where the money goes. I would love to reduce tax cuts but our economy is weak - does anyone know how to increase?
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Well, at the risk of stating the obvious, choosing answers to issues that seem to favor the economy will often increase economy. However, your nation is very new, so there should be a good deal of fluctuation in your stats. So you could be seeing pretty large swings in both directions, for a bit. Early on, if I am looking to increase economy as quickly as possible on a nation, I tend to seek out answers that subsidize business and just generally increase government spending. Because the pro-business answers which provide for more economic freedom seem to have the potential to actually hurt your early economy, counterintuitively, given the detrimental effect on your environment and the related tourism industry and even things like agriculture and cheese.
I think you have done your people a great service... :P
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Jazur, Parvesha
It's so nice to have you all here! Theres a lot of great information in the welcome telegram youve already received, but I have a few things that might help settling into the region easier. Refugia is part of a larger community named Calamity Refuge, or CalRef. We have a discord here: https://calref.network/chat/ and a forum here: https://calref.cc/index.php. Links for both are in the region description box at the top of this page. We host game nights and movie nights from the discord server from time to time. On the forum we have RPs and spam games (not really related to NS). If you want a place to just chill and talk to friendly people, those are great spaces for that.
If you haven't already done so, please consider joining the World Assembly and endorsing the delegate (that's me!). Click the link to learn more information on what that means and how to do it. If you join the World Assembly, you can endorse as many other nations in the region as you want, and get endorsed in return. You'll also become a Refugia Member State, which means you can vote in our elections and get a spot on our map of Refugia!
If you have any questions, please let us know. Everyone here is really friendly- I think weve only ever had one fatality from an introduction. If you prefer to read something pre-written over asking, however, check out this dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1449847
Finally, if you are an alt nation (which just means if the nation tagged in this welcome message is not your main nation on NationStates), it is required by regional law for you to report your main nation and intentions in Refugia to the Operations Councillor (that's also me!). Thanks so much.
Chacapoya, Honeydewistania, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
To all BCSA agents, here is summary of that 300 pages long report.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=crabani/detail=factbook/id=1735416 [/url]
Hi everyone.
Here is another factbook.
Plus I've just learned how to edit text.
Typica, Nekhuser-Ra, Tovenia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Hi! Thank you for letting me join your region! I am unfortunately, unable to access Calref.network/chat/, due to being on a computer that does not support calref (School computer, lol). I would like to stay informed, however I will attempt to access calref either tomorrow, or Thursday. Thank you for your consideration and understanding! My Time Zone is CST.
Edit: I was able to access Calamity refuge forums on my school computer! unfortunately, Calref.network/chat does not.
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Nekhuser-Ra, Floofybit, Tovenia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Hey question is the verification question in actual numbers or letters cause it keeps kicking me and getting mad on https://calref.cc/index.php?action=signup2
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
It's numbers. No spaces.
The current server invite is: https://discord.com/invite/brfnvFZa
The network site rotates the link periodically, so it won't work forever, but if you're blocked from the network site for some reason, you can use this today.
Chacapoya, Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Thanks! It was the spaces getting mad.
Chacapoya, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Holy cow I just realized I'm first in Refugia for political freedoms
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tovenia, Tiralta, Winlandy, Archipelago Nine
Hey, good job on being first, I'll catch up when my stats get back up (Cough Below average political freedom Cough)
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Winlandy, Parvesha
45th only in political freedom
Floofybit, Tiralta
Awwwww, well it is very nice to have you! =D
Btw, some of us are also part of the LGBTQIA+ community =)
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Tovenia, Tiralta, Parvesha
same, i want to reverse it but it wont let me
what
nah nah you see, ban the internet, ban leaving, now you have an isolationist regime
Delta Vega Iv, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Hoqeallistan, Jazur, Parvesha, Snasal
Hey everyone, quick announcement as the Ops Councillor. I've just ejected some nations from the region, and I wanted to explain why and how it will affect us going forward.
Just before my term began there was an amendment updating the Ops Councillor's responsibilities under RRS 7d. One of the new responsibilities was to create and maintain a registry of sleeper nations within the region. For more information on sleepers, check out this dispatch.
The nations expelled today were undisclosed sleepers that had been in the region for some time. Since I have a lot of influence and an ejection discount as delegate, it made sense for me to take out some of the heaviest-cost ejections now. I'm still working my way through the 430+ nations in the region, so expect more ejections in the coming days, but the oldest ones should be gone.
If your nation is a sleeper and you haven't reported it to anyone, please let us know! We don't mind you hanging out if you want to be a part of the community, but it is required that sleepers be registered.
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Refuge Isle, Araine, Nekhuser-Ra, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Istastioner, Duneraven, Jazur, Winlandy, Parvesha, Alison Hammond
update: I may or may not have violently suppressed a revolution in my country: Current political freedoms: Few
Floofybit, Hoqeallistan, Winlandy
Do ya'll like my new prime banner?
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Floofybit, St Leone, Everetunga-Hari, Istastioner, Jazur, Winlandy
beautiful o7
Floofybit, Istastioner, Jazur, Winlandy
I mean It is interesting
Typica, Floofybit, Jazur
Not what I expected to be in the backrooms 😅
Sylh Alanor, Istastioner, Jazur, Winlandy, Parvesha
Yes. Very much so.
Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Winlandy
How do I get my population to rise faster? It seems like it rises about 1 million people per day, and I wonder if there is a way to get more population?
Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Jazur, Winlandy
Post self-deleted by Istastioner.
It'll automatically increase, don't worry. It speeds up a bit after a while.
Typica, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Jazur, Winlandy, Parvesha, Archipelago Nine
Alright, thanks for letting me know!
Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Jazur
Hello all, I have an issue. I apparently now make many typos. It used to be none for ages, but all of a sudden, I write one to two sentences and look it over. Everything's fine...Okay, sounds good. I check back 0.05 seconds later and discover I've actually made at least one (possibly three typos).
Why is this. Emily says it's a B12 deficiency, but that sounds kinda sketch. Almost no words have 12 Bs.
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Winlandy, Parvesha
I may get wooshed for this... but I think they mean a vitamin B12 deficiency
Hi reddit if this gets on there
Edit: heres a link to what vitamin B12 is https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements-vitamin-b12/art-20363663
Floofybit, Jazur, Winlandy
Post self-deleted by Moulk2.
Oh that makes snence
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Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Jazur, Winlandy, Parvesha
You need to eat moar potatoez!
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Floofybit, Jazur, Winlandy
Achievement get: didn't get the joke
Achievement: Didn't get the joke
Floofybit, Jazur, Winlandy
"We all make mistakes in the heat of passion, Jumbo"
Delta Vega Iv, Winlandy
That dose sound strange... The only word I could find were flibbertigibbet. Weight... I spelled does wrong! And I used were instead of was and said weight instead of wait. I think I mite have it too. Ahhh! That's another typo!
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Parvesha
The B12 strikes again!
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Istastioner, Parvesha
hello! I got your telegram, what does this group usually do?
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Exist in a perpetual state, I should say
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Everetunga-Hari, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
yes
Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Istastioner
Oh yes!!!
I finally got a top-of-the-region badge. Two numbers one's in Refugia! 😄
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Dyllonia, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
I have 25 😎
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
Oh yeah? I have zero
beat that
Delta Vega Iv, Honeydewistania, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
bet u dont have an army of attack woodpeckers
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Parvesha
When you forgot to read on what a member state is
"Member States are defined as World Assembly Residents that have resided within the Region for a period not less than seven days."
I can't join the regional map until Tuesday.
I literally submitted my application 3 hours ago
big brain moments with Archipelago Nine
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Jazur, Parvesha
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.