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Floofybit
POV you are you
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Floofybit, Everetunga-Hari, Tiralta, Parvesha
froot wars
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit
Hey guys,
The time until the card lottery is closing in. Make sure you've got those endorsements on Sylh Alanor to be entered!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1727982
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Jazur, Parvesha
i am awake and about to make that everyone's problem by starting a discussion on the newest World Assembly proposal - Contact Rights Between Parent And Child.
Proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=ga
Thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=520243
ETA to vote: Currently at vote
What this resolution aims to do, based on the text, is establish certain rights for parents to maintain contact with their children. The proposal manages this first by defining the various terms it uses like Child, Court, Parent, Contact, etc. It then splits itself into Sections. Sections 1 - 3 concern the right to Contact - basically saying that while the right is established for the Parent, it can be revoked or restricted to meet the child's best interests. Section 4 states that Parents not taking care of the Child still have a general right to receive information on the Child; Section 5 states the Child can receive information regarding them and have their own interests weighed in the decisions of a Court - if they are competent enough. Section 6 essentially states individuals in a custody battle for a child should be seen as a parent if they're a citizen of a WA member state, even if that isn't the state wherein the child primarily lives.
[spoiler=My opinion/analysis]My thoughts on this are leaning towards the negative. While I think the concept is pretty beneficial, I think the execution could be a bit better. To start:
I think this could use some edits for grammar.The resolution's definition of "best interests" is a bit concerning to me because it is so highly vague and depends on each nation to define. I imagine what each nation believes is in the child's best interests could vary based on culture, and I do wonder if parents could be discriminated against in certain nations in terms of whether they can care for their child. (Or maybe the WA's anti-discrimination laws cover that topic well enough, I'm not sure honestly.)Either way, I believe best interests merits definition or at least some form of guidance on what it means, especially considering that multiple clauses of the resolution allow the courts to place limits based on "best interest".
I'll be honest, I do not like the (i) definition of parent because it regulates to the states what exactly a Parent should be - especially when the author themselves mentions this resolution supposed to deal with situations wherein some people may not be considered parents due to not being legally married. What if a nation somehow works in legal marriage into the definition of Parent? Then, this resolution would not protect some couples even though it was intended to.As for (ii), while it shares the same concerns as with (i), additionally I feel it'd be more pragmatic to define who is a parent based on the Resident State (defined as where the child lives) if you're gonna define parent based on national law. For example - what happens if a parent is a citizen of 2+ WA nations? What definition of parent is used? I'm not sure why this isn't done in the first place, but I may be missing something.
Anyways, these reasons are also why I don't like Section 6 of this proposal.
This is another very vague thing to me. What determines if a child is sufficiently competent? I'd presume the age of majority, but that could differ per nation as well. Are there other factors that determine competency? My fear with this is that we could end up seeing children in situations where they should have a say in what happens to them, but may not be deemed competent due to national culture. Or vice versa - that children may be seen as competent when they really aren't.[/spoiler]Ultimately, the resolution relies too much on certain key words that it leaves relatively undefined - which I believe makes this resolution quite ineffective in certain potential situations. Therefore, I think I'm leaning towards a recommendation AGAINST "Contact Rights Between Parent And Child", although I'm open to seeing other viewpoints and why I may be seeing this in an incorrect way.
So! How do y'all plan to vote? What are your thoughts?
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Im voting against, mainly due to sections 4 and 5
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner
They're two opposing forces, but they can't exist without the other.
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Portmanteau
When the child reaches the age of majority, they are no longer a child, so that doesnt really make sense, which makes this even more confusing. Competent is definitely way too vague. I personally think every child able to express an opinion should be heard. Unless the child is too young to talk I feel like their opinion should at least be considered. If they really dont want to see one of their parents ever again then they should get to say that.
I actually have a huge problem with section 5 for personal reasons. My parents divorced when I was 8 and I was not consulted at all. I was treated like property and despite it definitely not being in what I would consider to be my best interests, a judge decided joint custody would be best because children need their parents. At that age I already despised my dad and didnt want to see him at all, but no one cared what I thought. Because of that I wasnt able to get him out if my life for years.
This experience isnt only limited to younger kids either, I have a good friend whose parents divorced when we were in high school. It was decided that joint custody was best despite her not wanting to see her mom. She was 16 at the time, which I would hope everyone can agree should be old enough to be considered competent for the purposes of deciding whether or not to have one of their parents in their life after a divorce.
It concerns me that a judge (or whatever legal authority a nation uses to make these decisions), who doesnt know either the parents or the child personally, could just make a decision based on what they perceive to be the childs best interests but is really personal bias on the judges part. And it frustrates me that they can decide a child doesnt deserve to have what they want taken into account when making a potentially life changing decision about custody rights without even considering the wishes of the individual who will be impacted the most.
I voted against if that wasnt clear lol.
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
I'm thinking about voting against, but I just want to hear what another people think.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta
haiii owo
If you are comfortable with it, could you explain what you find wrong with Sections 4 & 5? Would be helpful for me to understand your stance and potentially those of other Refugi as well ovo
If not it's fine - definitely appreciate your input either way! ^-^
Fair point, honestly. Forgot that upon reaching the age of majority one isn't considered a child anymore, indeed does mess things up a bit.I'm really sorry to hear that happened to you and your friend. :/Fair points, yeah. Based on what you said, I can see now that Section 5 may not really make sense conceptually either - a child's wants should definitely be considered in most cases, because as you say it is their life that has the most at stake.Thank you a lot for your input, appreciate it! ^-^
Completely fair! Though if I may ask - what is making you lean against? (If you don't wish to share, nw! ^.^)
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
I mean It's a lot of things to it really, and there are a lot of reasons (Reasons that I'm not going to talk about) that are why I lean towards voting against it.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Gotcha!
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Parvesha
Hello all, and thanks for having me! New to the game and cant wait to meet and interact with everyone. Sorry in advance for the stupid questions Ill inevitably be asking.
Cheesy Tots, Dyllonia, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Welcome. Its a friendly group!
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha, Getshitdoneistan
Hi Getshitdoneistan and welcome to Refugia
Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha, Getshitdoneistan
I hope you enjoy your stay; I think you'll like it here! ^_^
Oh, if you happen to see a silly looking woodpecker, let me know cause he's mine! Don't go near him though, I sharpened his beak so that it can pierce armor...
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Dacay, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha, Getshitdoneistan
My biggest issue with section 5 (and a lot of the proposal in general) is that a court is deciding if a kid is competent. How does the court decide this? Why do they get to make the decision? And as you attested to earlier, I take issue with the fact that a parent can receive information on a child even if they dont have custody over them. So yeah, thats my reasoning lol.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta
Thank you for sharing your reasoning! :D And yeah, fair enough - seems Section 5 is the biggest concern most of us have.
I will note I don't think I protested the fact that parents without physical custody can maintain legal custody. However, based on the discussion around the resolution's lack of specificity and The Pacific Northwest's earlier points, I can see why making it a general rule is a bad thing considering in most cases, physical custody is probably denied to protect the child and therefore information of the child shouldn't be provided by default to parents without physical custody - is that why you think Section 4 isn't good or is there another reason? (Sorry for hounding you, but I do think the point you're making is interesting - I'm just struggling to understand it 'cuz im dumb with this stuff x.x)
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
S'up!
Clear against from me. I understand the point of view this is written from, but I wouldn't vote for anything that gives a parent this sort of right. It needs to be inverted - I would happily vote for something that granted the right for a child to have contact with all parents, where there is no substantive reason in the eyes of the court for the denial of this right, if it was tailored correctly.
I have issues with the framing, and also with specifics in almost all sections.
Section 2 is a clear bananas moment, where anyone who can prove biological parenthood of a child is automatically granted the right to obtain information about that child. In cases of domestic abuse where the ofher parent has fled without going through legal systems, for example, this right being automatic would mean it applies until a court says otherwise, allowing abusers to poll schools, doctors offices, hospitals and the like across the land until they found the school their child is enrolled in, at which point the school is legally bound to give them information unless the other parent has provided them with a court ruling to prevent it. This puts the child and the other parent at a substantial risk.
Section 4 - nope. If a parent is not entitled to physical custody (note that this includes joint custody) they have no basis on which to be consulted. This will introduce an unknown factor into decision making about the child, which should be done by the person or people in physical custody who know the child and are currently caring for the child.
Section 5 - too vague, and I hate the idea of "due weight" being given to the child's opinion. Again, this right should be inverted. The child's best interests, including what they think, should be the primary factor in this discussion, not the right of a parent to have contact with a custody of a child, but the right of a child to know their parent(s).
Section 6 - absolutely not. What if a state has a law that said that any man in the room when the child was born was a legal parent to the child? The child is born overseas and then brought home to their parent's nation, and then various men produce legal proof of parenthood and demand information, contact and custody arrangements. Strict limits need to be drawn on the definition of parenthood.
Look, I know it was a bit of a rant! But yeah. The framing of this is wrong. It's the right of a child to know their parent(s). Legal parenthood grants parental rights of some descriptions, but it is right that in most places to enforce them you must go via a court when they are in dispute. Passing a resolution which grants an automatic right to a legal parent for information and contact where they have not previously had this means that the rights of one estranged legal parent in the first instance override the wishes and rights of both the child and any other legal parent, unless they wish to go to court to prevent it. It puts schools, hospitals, doctors offices in horrendous positions by opening them up to lawsuit for failing to provide information to a legal parent.
All around just a poorly thought out resolution.
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
hi there
Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Everetunga-Hari, Tiralta, Parvesha, Getshitdoneistan
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Istastioner
Nations states is just a bunch of people who like to read very long things
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner
Yes
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Everetunga-Hari
So I agree that physical custody should be the main way to get legal custody, but I also think if a parent without physical custody wishes to obtain legal custody, they should be able to get it in a limited consult-but-cannot-make-final-decisions form (once they go through a vetting process to ensure they meet my aforementioned points a & b, as well as to showcase their ability to consistently check-in and weigh on the child). I think it is more beneficial for a child to have more invested opinions (parents) to guide their future, so long as the child is fine with said parents w/o physical custody having a say. I do think the parent with physical custody should make the final decision, though.
Yep, agreed.WA rants are the best rants - because more discussion is a great thing >:DSolid point. I'll be honest and say I was only viewing the resolution in terms of a court case, not in practical everyday life. But based on the latter, as you say, this resolution does open up major issues by defaulting to give parents contact.Probably doesn't help this was only given two weeks of drafting time, rip.But yeah, thank you so much for your thoughts! From what I understand, me saying this seems conceptually good in my first post was not a great take, so I'm glad that through this discussion I was able to see the more deeper flaws the resolution has. ^-^
Nah, that's fair! Thankies for tolerating me xDI can see what you mean now!
true
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Everetunga-Hari, Tiralta, Parvesha
Hey Ae (does that rhyme?)
True, very true.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Everetunga-Hari, Aephony, Parvesha, Auranda
Weed whacking overgrown weed.
Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Auranda
In the case of a tied vote between two options in one of our votes (referendum, determining a councilor, etc.) what do you think would be the fairest and most democratic way of solving that dillemna?
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Auranda
How many of your nations have banned cars
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Liphia, Parvesha, Auranda
I'm doing my part
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Yondoria, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha, Auranda
in cases of referendum, failing it
not sure about councillors though
Melenavenia, Araine, Floofybit, Auranda
Rock, paper, scissors for councillors; flip a coin for referendum. Let fate decide 🫡
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Melenavenia, Araine, Auranda
Hello everyone
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Floofybit, Istastioner, Parvesha, Getshitdoneistan
Hi Auranda are you new to Refugia ?
Araine, Floofybit, Bobesville-Sholstine, Auranda
yes I am new and I would like to join rp in this place too so yay
Floofybit, Istastioner
Welcome, sewing enthusiasts, to the Fantastic Refugi Sewing Bee! I am your host, Annika Draper, here to bring challenges to the best tailors Refugia has to offer.
For this competition, we have Giuliano Rosiello of Parvesha, Marel Bello-Kula of Talmon, Fanny Kahale and Domino Domingo of Portmanteau and Señor Aethametamine of Aephony.
The theme of this first round is "Refugia Together". Cheesy, I know, but we all need to improve our cheese exports to Avatar Webby for their famous pizzas somehow. You may remember that we asked you all what your favourite accessories were as part of the registration process. For the first challenge, we will ask you to make a gift for one of your fellow competitors - their favourite accessory in the style of your own nation's traditional materials.
Giuliano, you will be making a flower garland with a Parveshan twist for Fanny and Domino.
Marel, we'd like to see a Talmonian take on a fedora for Señor Aethametamine.
Fanny and Domino, you will be making a Manteau-inspired belt or waist ribbon for Marel.
And finally, Señor Aethametamine, please can you make a necklace or purse in the Ae style for Giuliano.
Please describe your finished product as best you can, and if you have any pictures to share, we would love to see them! We're really looking for something here which will blend well with your competitor's traditional dress, so points will be awarded for taking that into consideration. Three of you will be moving into the next round, so please give it your best shot!
[Spoiler=A reminder of what your competitors wrote about their traditional style and favourite accessories]
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The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Liphia, Portmanteau, Aephony, Talmon, Parvesha
Welcome West Hyrationa, Saint Luis, Intash, Yomacia, America Do Cruzeiro Sul, Myrrdin, Alabastapunk, Istastioner, Jovencia, Soarkaer, Slaymama, Hacter-Junobal, Lightcone, Zaulaspa, Outer Truth Homophoras, Corouba, Volupa, Susi Baki, Sioma, Weaseltowm, Fock, New Connland, Pizza And Fun, The Butterscotch Republic, Youthessex, Dus Hotoack, Gendlany, Doofus Mcdooo9Oooo, Califanas, -Darth Maul-, Johnolonia, Tanthur, Greenessex, Runor, Tyranny Of Jim, Ranca Norts, Winlandy, Izopistan, Al Dabaran, Futara, Parvesha, Sunshine And Puppies, Divesanane, Rickandmorty, United Friendship States, Uvst, Fsr Cascadia, Libeenes, Greater Soposhire, Madagayscar, Giraffe Lovers, Feathers Bold, Iche, Venislavia, Addy And Arielle, Creativerse, Nicksonalisation, Korvid, Chocolavie, Getshitdoneistan, Porlick, Galyum, Auranda, Darkgrass, Funky Beats, Gellend, Thirastia, Saint Garydus Shereopia, Swoulor, and The Mushroomlands to Refugia!
It's so nice to have you all here! Theres a lot of great information in the welcome telegram youve already received, but I have a few things that might help settling into the region easier. Refugia is part of a larger community named Calamity Refuge, or CalRef. We have a discord here: https://calref.network/chat/ and a forum here: https://calref.cc/index.php. Links for both are in the region description box at the top of this page. We host game nights and movie nights from the discord server from time to time. On the forum we have RPs and spam games (not really related to NS). If you want a place to just chill and talk to friendly people, those are great spaces for that.
If you haven't already done so, please consider joining the World Assembly and endorsing the delegate (that's me!). Click the link to learn more information on what that means and how to do it. If you join the World Assembly, you can endorse as many other nations in the region as you want, and get endorsed in return. You'll also become a Refugia Member State, which means you can vote in our elections and get a spot on our map of Refugia!
If you have any questions, please let us know. Everyone here is really friendly- I think weve only ever had one fatality from an introduction. If you prefer to read something pre-written over asking, however, check out this dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1449847
Finally, if you are an alt nation (which just means if the nation tagged in this welcome message is not your main nation on NationStates), it is required by regional law for you to report your main nation and intentions in Refugia to the Operations Councillor (that's also me!). Thanks so much.
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Tiralta, Istastioner, Hacter-Junobal, Winlandy, Parvesha
*laughs nervously*
I was barely awake and quoted the wrong section of Desenteres message :headslap:
But yeah their opinion on Section 4 was what I meant to quote XD
I agree with your view that parents should be able to make the decisions and that children should only allow the parent who doesnt have custody over them to be able to call the shots if theyre comfortable with said parent; however, I think the problem with Section 4 (and much of the resolution) is that a lot of it is the courts decision, meaning that the child themself has no (or a very limited ability) to be able to make any decisions involving the parents and custody and stuff like that.
[spoiler=More sewing stuff? :o]Giu looks at the finished product, admiring his work. Hed done work with flowers before, but not like this. Giu analyzed the garland, making sure every detail worked. Combining the typical styles of two countries was not easy! The garland consisted of little bunches of blue orchids and pink and gold roses, with large strands of jasmine in between the bunches. Giu had two of them - one for Fanny and one for Domino. He stared at them one more time before carefully packaging them.[/spoiler][spoiler=Picture]The closest I could find to my garland was this: https://postimg.cc/3dD8ctwy[/spoiler]
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Winlandy
question if you could be in charge of any nation other than the 4 super powers (china, America, Russia and CHAD the last one is a joke) what nation would you pick? mine would be Canada
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Inaros Opa, Letargia, Winlandy, Getshitdoneistan
oop, well now I do definitely understand what you mean! indeed, seems the resolution's framing is a pretty major issue with how it focuses so much on litigation and parent rights, and not so much on the children themselves.
Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
I think I would choose Australia. Common language, geographic location, and overall potential are the most important deciding factors for me.
Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Bobesville-Sholstine, Auranda
Sealand
Araine, Floofybit, Istastioner, Bobesville-Sholstine, Winlandy
Brazil. Its massive and evologically stunning. south america is so beautiful and mostly keeps to themselves. Best place to be when these "super powers" get into a pissing match and start throwing nukes.
I'd probably choose Somalia because it has potential, but it just needs some help =)
Floofybit, Istastioner
Good
good
Good and no you are not safe from nukes if Brazil does join or do anything on one or another side which is likely yes to them joining a side
so likely the nation will get nuked also this is not me trying to be mean but just saying that I respectfully disagree
good
Floofybit, Istastioner, Winlandy
Marel Bello-Kula presents a light blue wool fedora, with a leather ribbon wrapped around the raised part of the hat.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/0sbDr3Q.jpg[/img]
(The image won't work but the link should)
Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Hacter-Junobal
India has a ton of potential
Typica, Araine
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1731009
Friends! In the interests of continuing to post long-things for all to read, I hereby present to you this IFV recommending a vote AGAINST "Contact Rights Between Parent and Child"!
I tried to incorporate the viewpoints of Refugi who participated in discussions, however I feel the IFV may have gotten to big so I had to cut some stuff and simplify other things. But many thanks to everyone who gave their input - definitely helped me get this IFV done :D
If you have any feedback or anything, lemme know! And if you like the IFV... give it an upvote! :D
The Star Enpire, Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner
Already voted against
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
quite epic!
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha
As did I =)
I feel as if the "child" should have more say in the matter as they will be deeply affected by the outcome(s).
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
Liechtenstein, The prince regnant of Liechtenstein is seen as a pretty normal guy who pedestrians just wave to, normally, with no chaos at all + There is no stress about running a 160 km² nation with so much less issues than other nations.
"Ah," Aeth sighs, "not a fedora? Well, I'll be damned, I guess I shouldn't stick to one thing, but a necklace? I am not used to using metal." As he gets working, he goes to the nearest local store and gets stainless steel, as he keeps stressing himself out until he gets a decent finished product, which he didn't like very much, but Aethametamine is way too self-critical of his own art.
[spoiler=Finished result]https://i.ibb.co/fQ5dt22/image-2022-07-10-052911.png[/spoiler]
Big credits to Dilini on Etsy for the set!
Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Ngl, I live for what new abstract concept Aephony's flag will be next
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Portmanteau, Yondoria, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
Thanks for this Talmon! You might want to edit out that quoted message as it's accidentally tagged all the new people :)
Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Aephony, Istastioner, Talmon, Winlandy, Parvesha
New Zealand. They're pretty far away from other countries, they have a good economy, they're more progressive than the USA, they're spectacularly handling COVID right now, and their land is gorgeous.
Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy
Delta Vega Iv, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Winlandy
Ireland! First thing on my list is banning airbnb.
Also, another poll time. Sharing examples of artists you like from that decade is definitely encouraged. :D
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha
Malta. Mostly because of the great weather there
Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Winlandy
gives you all a pretty rock
You have unlocked the achievement: You Rock
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Liphia, Portmanteau, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha, Korvid, Thirastia
+1 ROCK has been added to your inventory
Oh, wow, a fun new item! Let's see, I'll just click EXAMINE and see what it does...
This is a pretty rock. You feel slightly better after looking at it, and come away with a better appreciation of nature's wonder
Well alright then! And now we'll just click USE...
nothing happens
Hrm. Still, it's a pretty rock :)
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Dyllonia, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Liphia, Erie-Arcadia Of Wombats, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha
I wonder what happens when I click USE.
The surface of the rock seems shinier than normal. You scratch of the loose sediment and find a geode in the center!
How pretty! This must be worth millions.
Value: $2.50
Oh... I'll just keep the pretty rock 😅
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Dyllonia, Typica, Araine, Liphia, Portmanteau, Erie-Arcadia Of Wombats, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha
Did I read somewhere that we have a Discord server?
Chacapoya, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Winlandy
Woah nice rock, I am just going to uh... hm. *Sells secretly*
Thanks for the rock, Dyll! I will use it so much!
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Liphia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
I would pick Northern Ireland. I'd secede from the UK and unite with the rest of Ireland, in some form of a Federation of the two parts of the island.
I voted the 70's. My favourite artist is Sting, with and without the Police. Best music ever, at least to my personal taste.
Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Huliunov, Parvesha
The Fantastic Refugi Sewing Bee
As Fanny and Domino accept the lovely garlands from Giuliano Rosiello and drape them round their necks, the two appear truly impressed. The colors, the arrangement, the meshing of styles...they know they will have to craft something of equivalence in order to remain in the competition.
The two Manteauan garmentarians mull over Marel's description of traditional Talmonian dress - "characterized by thick, long, and wool-lined coats, pants, and the colors brown and blue ... outfits do not vary much between women and men, as fashion in Talmon is a big part androgynous ... a belt or ribbon around the waist makes any outfit just look that much better."
They settle on an article of clothing known in the region as a kiekie, which is a sort of traditional girdle worn during formal occasions. Once a piece that was primarily associated with female dress, the girdle began to be adopted more and more outside of that narrow range, until today when it has become an acceptable look to be worn by anyone. They hope this unisex design will fit nicely into the androgynous look of Talmonian apparel.
The material is made from hibiscus plants, and is plaited together, embroidered, and then varnished. Keeping in mind the color preferences, they dye the material a rich blue and brown, with pigments derived from traditional Manteau sources. The berries of the 'uki'uki plant are inedible for humans but brilliant for pigmentation, and are used to create various shades of blue and purple. Meanwhile, the inner bark of the candlenut tree contains a sap that, when collected, may be used to render deep reddish-brown dyes. The sap may also be boiled down into a delicious syrup, Fanny announces to no one in particular.
Here is a small gallery of a few different designs, to get a general sense of the look:
https://imgur.com/a/SscJVbs
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Aephony, Tiralta, Parvesha
If you look at the top of the region's World Factbook Entry, you'll see a link for the discord among the other links that are separated by maple leaves. I know there's a way to quote the actual link, but I do not know how.
This is why we keep running out of inventory space during the later stages... :P
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Aephony, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha, Getshitdoneistan
Most of my favorite music is from the 2010s/ 2020s.
Although I love classical music too! :D
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Winlandy
As someone from Belfast, I can only salute you for your brave choice here, even if I'm disappointed that we're not recognised as one of the major world powers. :P
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Haibaria, Winlandy, Parvesha
Rule Hibernia
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Tiralta, Winlandy, Parvesha
Thank you!
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Winlandy
This is why we need a bag of holding xD
Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau
Thanks for the heads up!
Floofybit, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy
its fine!
Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha
I really like music from the roaring 20s in America, I know its really old school :)
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Yondoria, Tiralta, Istastioner, Winlandy, Parvesha
Oooooh, have you any recommendations for songs/artists?
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Everetunga-Hari, Winlandy, Parvesha
I grew up listening to the chords and they are very good! But I recently found out about Al bowlly and he had some good music too! Also when Im in the mood for something more modern I turn to electro swing which is basically a mix of electric/techno music with music from the roaring 20s
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Winlandy, Parvesha
Swing is definitely a lot of fun, makes me nostalgic for a time Ive never lived in XD8
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Everetunga-Hari, Tiralta
Makes me feel the same way!
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Winlandy, Parvesha
I listen to stuff from all of those decades, but a lot of my favourite records are from the '00s. Interpol, Brand New, Modest Mouse, Bomb the Music Industry, all that good stuff
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Huliunov, Winlandy, Parvesha
I don't really know what genre my music I listen to is. It's really just electronic but it slaps! I like artists like Creo and Teminite (who are still making music) and other artists like Dunderpatrullen and Cloudier [Cloudier unfortunately broke up so I'll never know what the next songs in their new album were :(]
Edit: I just listened to the new Creo song. Reaction: it's perfect 🥰
Portmanteau, Tiralta, Winlandy, Parvesha
00s emo music without screaming is my jam.
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Erie-Arcadia Of Wombats, Tiralta, Winlandy, Parvesha
We must be nearly the same age... the first three bands on your list made three of my favorite albums:
Our Love to Admire, The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me, The Moon & Antarctica
However, this is my first time even hearing of Bomb the Music Industry. Would you recommend any specific album or song as an introduction?
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Parvesha
Modest mouse goes unbelievably hard
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
Anything Phoebe Bridgers, I also enjoy Spoon, Neutral Milk Hotel and Lucy Dacus among many other indie folk/pop/rock bands of current.
00-20s indie
Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
Turn on the Bright Lights is the big one for me, I felt like OLtA was when they started to slip. Still better than the s/t though. And TDaG is excellent but I always listen to the first five or six tracks and then want to tap out, it's such a lopsided listen for me compared to Deja.
BtMI is pretty different from the others but I've been really into it lately. Haven't checked out too much, but Album Minus Band is a fantastic bit of ska and folk punk that I can never get out of my head. If you like any of the newer emo acts like Brave Little Abacus, Kara's Walk Home, any of that, you might find some overlap in the arrangements. I'm a sucker for super earnest lo-fi indie sounds like that.
Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
Anybody wanna pizza me?
Floofybit, Everetunga-Hari, Tiralta, Winlandy
I dont think Id like single handedly running a nation, but if I did I would definitely pick Switzerland. Switzerland has a good economy, its citizens enjoy a very high quality of life, the landscape is beautiful, and the country is highly defensible (surrounded by mountains). Because of its staunch neutrality, Switzerland also has no geopolitical enemies and is on good terms with many global superpowers.
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Floofybit, Inaros Opa, Tiralta, Istastioner, Huliunov, Winlandy, Parvesha
Hmm, I've got a question. What should Website's capital be?
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Tiralta, Parvesha
.com?
Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Letargia, Tiralta, Istastioner
Gave that "Album Minus Band" record a spin, and Oh boy! Not what I was expecting, given the other bands mentioned. But it really took me back in time, been awhile since I listened to just good hard fast stripped down ska punk. All sorts of memories of Catch-22 and Mustard Plug came flooding back. The vocals remind me of someone very specific, but I couldn't for the life of me nail down quite who it was... Anyways, thanks for the rec. I'll give those other acts a listen at some point. I've never had a great handle on emo, or even what was all encompassed within that broad genre, so I'm interested to hear them.
Domain? Server?
Typica, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Istastioner, Parvesha
The cloud?
Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Istastioner, Website, Parvesha
Johann Strauss II is simply the best! Aka before 1900 or riot in the gardens!
Chacapoya, Honeydewistania, Refuge Isle, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
It's definitely a snapshot of 2005, with the sound and the politics. Rosenstock's singing is hard to nail down - a little Harvey Danger, a little Against Me!, but no one super obvious influence I can pinpoint. Definitely let me know if you try out any of the others, though if you don't listen to much emo those might be a little jarring compared to the classics. I'm always around the Discord server if you want to geek out about music.
Floofybit, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Parvesha
Okay, so like...
There was an "Issue" that my nation just resolved. (The one about tax reforms)
And I chose an option that seemed like it would be beneficial to the citizens of my nation, but corruption shot up by 264% xD
Typica, Floofybit, Everetunga-Hari, Parvesha
Nice
Winlandy
NS issues in a nutshell XD
Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Winlandy
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=cheesy_tots/detail=factbook/id=1722270
The WAA Councillor dispatch has been updated - the clicky things are no longer as satisfying, but they have proper homes now so the sacrifice is worth it. Also included WAA Correspondents as I feel they're a specialized deputy of sorts, and deserve mention
lemme know if anything looks wonky/wrong!
Chacapoya, Honeydewistania, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Istastioner, Parvesha
All clicky things are satisfying
Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Honeydewistania, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Yondoria, Istastioner, Parvesha
The Peep Show theme song and the trans song??? Sign me up!!
Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Parvesha
Hello
I am new here
Cheesy Tots, Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Istastioner, The Bengal Region, Winlandy, Parvesha
Araine, Floofybit, Portmanteau, Winlandy
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Written by Refuge Isle.