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When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade because that’s too much work❤️

Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Journia, Typica, Floofybit, Yondoria, Tiralta, Polushia, Whitanchir, Jazur, Dimm-A-Land

Afternoon

Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Afternoon

Typica, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Etilenia wrote:Afternoon

I think we should start a reply chain with "Afternoon"

Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Afternoon

Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

West Remeshile wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur, West Remeshile

Felzus wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Ameth wrote:Afternoon
Afternoon

Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur, West Remeshile

Refuge Isle wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Rejakhta wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Why does making my economy better always come at the expense of my citizens?

Delta Vega Iv, Cheesy Tots, St Leone, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Jazur, Dimm-A-Land, Ujjainyi

Sylh Alanor wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

St Leone, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur, Rejakhta

Floofybit wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Floofybit, St Leone, Yondoria, Felzus, Polushia, Jazur

Tiralta wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Floofybit, St Leone, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Jazur

Polushia wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

St Leone wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Cheesy Tots wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Journia wrote:Afternoon

Afternoon

Journia, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Yondoria, Felzus, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur

Map Update!

Greetings all. In the words of Emily, "I can do the update...*turns off computer*...'Oops'. I'm soooo clumsy", and therefore I am here in her stead.

The following fun-loving nations have been added to the nations of the map, in what might be the largest addition of single-name nations:

[list]

[*]Siren 1 (Refugi)

[*]Tidelia (Mediterranean)

[*]Honlan (Refugi)

[*]Ullrani (Alóqi)

[*]Amiyoka (Refugi)

[*]Kuybifox (Floofy)

[*]Gerasiad (Refugi)

[/list]

Additionally, we're pleased to welcome a new alliance to the map for the second update in a row, called SEDA, the Southwest Economic-Defensive Alliance, composed of Rupika, Liphia, and Dimm-A-Land.

Arabellia was removed from the map after the nation recently crumbled to ruin.

Witness the glory of these changes in the full dispatch below, and hard refresh if the images don't appear to have updated for you.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1287372

Journia, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur, Amiyoka, Tidelia, Ullrani, Powesaria

Well. Well. Well. Looks like we have an evacuation to start, lets move!

(Find the WW2 and Project Wingman Reference, I dare you. You won't.)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1765421

Typica, Floofybit, Portmanteau, St Leone, Tiralta

West Remeshile wrote:Why does making my economy better always come at the expense of my citizens?

Welcome to NationStates, the game of eternally facing Impossible Dilemmas, where each choice has at least one negative unforseen outcome. It's not a bug, it's by design.

Floofybit, Portmanteau, Felzus, Tiralta, Jazur, West Remeshile, Powesaria

Delta Vega Iv wrote:Welcome to NationStates, the game of eternally facing Impossible Dilemmas, where each choice has at least one negative unforseen outcome. It's not a bug, it's by design.

yup

Delta Vega Iv, Floofybit, Tiralta, Jazur, West Remeshile

Hey why my name is not Added in the Nation list??

Ujjainyi wrote:Hey why my name is not Added in the Nation list??

I don't know which "nation list" you're referring to, but I bet the answer is located in the opening paragraph of whatever thing you're reading.

Typica, Tiralta, Jazur

Sylh Alanor wrote:Welcome Greensealand, Journia, Dravida_India, Avfallheim, Gratia_Fera, Uhacion, Theotados_Unidos, Hotchocolis, Slavalenia, Ikarsum, Shethal, Nepalese_Red_Army, Inner_New_Denna, Deaner_Beaner, West_Serlduka, Goryygrad, Renanl, Bofaburg, Donardria, Maltand, The_Mandalorian_Scavangers, State_Farm_Yass, Thanks-To_Them, Conifer, Waywards_Edge_Nuclear_Command, Waywards_Edge_Nuclear_Command_Force_A, Flowofybit, Fluwufybit, Paridizon, Many_Money, Vyltos_Makksa, Estergend, The_Ever_Reaching, Carnaca, Rusino, Chillvibes, Schizotypia, Captilisim_And_Money, Galadrien, Talkeetna, Astarrien, Gamord, Jack_Chalya, Entropic, Tenfold, Lbeer, Etilenia, New_Esterriver, Makabela, Belmontagne, Tri_Neum, The_United_Empire_Of_Aurosong, Northern_Arctica, Focaccia, Andrewgarfield99Tomholland, Dobsonia, Auhd, and Hollow-Earth to Refugia!

It's so nice to have you all here! There’s a lot of great information in the welcome telegram you’ve already received, but I have a few things that might help settling into the region easier. Refugia is part of a larger community named Calamity Refuge, or CalRef. We have a discord here: https://calref.network/chat/ and a forum here: https://calref.cc/index.php. Links for both are in the region description box at the top of this page. We host game nights and movie nights from the discord server from time to time. On the forum we have RPs and spam games (not really related to NS). If you want a place to just chill and talk to friendly people, those are great spaces for that.

If you haven't already done so, please consider joining the World Assembly and endorsing the delegate (that's me!). Click the link to learn more information on what that means and how to do it. If you join the World Assembly, you can endorse as many other nations in the region as you want, and get endorsed in return. You'll also become a Refugia Member State, which means you can vote in our elections and get a spot on our map of Refugia!

If you have any questions, please let us know. Everyone here is really friendly- I think we’ve only ever had one fatality from an introduction. If you prefer to read something pre-written over asking, however, check out this dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1449847

Finally, if you are an alt nation (which just means if the nation tagged in this welcome message is not your main nation on NationStates), it is required by regional law for you to report your main nation and intentions in Refugia to the Operations Councillor (that's also me!). Thanks so much.

Journia, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Jazur, Thanks-To Them

Aerial Defense Platform Bravo, Research Log update #1

Dear Waywards Edge

Our scientists in St.Leone have an update on the LGADS x ADMS joint defense project.

We have currently developed 2 types of AA platforms. The currently named SATMS, a Stationary ground-to-air missile defense system with an incredible range and high effectiveness,

aswell as our MADS platform, a mobile air defence system. Nicknamed the "Loris" by some of our scientists for its non-threatening appearance but high lethality.

We are just undergoing some last stage tests and changes before the systems are ready to be deployed.

Mvh- Nihgel, Head Researcher for the RLRI

Journia, Floofybit, Jazur, Waywards Edge, West Remeshile

St Leone wrote:Aerial Defense Platform Bravo, Research Log update #1

Dear Waywards Edge

Our scientists in St.Leone have an update on the LGADS x ADMS joint defense project.

We have currently developed 2 types of AA platforms. The currently named SATMS, a Stationary ground-to-air missile defense system with an incredible range and high effectiveness,

aswell as our MADS platform, a mobile air defence system. Nicknamed the "Loris" by some of our scientists for its non-threatening appearance but high lethality.

We are just undergoing some last stage tests and changes before the systems are ready to be deployed.

Mvh- Nihgel, Head Researcher for the RLRI

Dear St Leone

Wonderful news! Do we have blueprints for these? We would like some. Also, have you heard the news about Ameth's conquest of Tovenia? You are harboring the old government in exile of Tovenia. I would be careful.

-Kirsti Alanor, Secretary of External Affairs

(OOC: In the business, we call this loaded Foreshadowing.)

Journia, Floofybit, St Leone, Jazur

Waywards Edge wrote:Dear St Leone

Wonderful news! Do we have blueprints for these? We would like some. Also, have you heard the news about Ameth's conquest of Tovenia? You are harboring the old government in exile of Tovenia. I would be careful.

-Kirsti Alanor, Secretary of External Affairs

(OOC: In the business, we call this loaded Foreshadowing.)

Yes, we have indeed gotten the news about the current events between Ameth and Tovenia.

Rest assured that we will be keeping a keen eye on the situations development and will be taking the government in exile to a secure and classified area for the time being.

And about the ADP-Bravo systems, we were planning on sending over the blueprints once we are finished with the last tests,

however if you do want them now so that your scientists can look over it themselves as well, we can send them over asap.

(OOC: If you need them for the story rn I can send some badly drawn W.I.P sketches to you).

Your kindest regards - Alrkus, Secretary of External Affairs

Journia, Floofybit, Jazur

Hello, Good afternoon

Journia, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, St Leone, Tiralta, Whitanchir, Jazur

St Leone wrote:Aerial Defense Platform Bravo, Research Log update #1

Dear Waywards Edge

Our scientists in St.Leone have an update on the LGADS x ADMS joint defense project.

We have currently developed 2 types of AA platforms. The currently named SATMS, a Stationary ground-to-air missile defense system with an incredible range and high effectiveness,

aswell as our MADS platform, a mobile air defence system. Nicknamed the "Loris" by some of our scientists for its non-threatening appearance but high lethality.

We are just undergoing some last stage tests and changes before the systems are ready to be deployed.

Mvh- Nihgel, Head Researcher for the RLRI

Yes we’ll be slaying those aliens if they decide to come to Refugia and attack us 😜

Journia, Floofybit, St Leone, Jazur

West Remeshile wrote:Yes we’ll be slaying those aliens if they decide to come to Refugia and attack us 😜

Ofc ofc, It can defend from basically anything...yk...stuff like...Jets, Missiles, bombs...ehh.....Alien...space....crafts....yk,

the usual :D

Delta Vega Iv, Journia, Floofybit, Jazur, West Remeshile, Powesaria

St Leone wrote:Yes, we have indeed gotten the news about the current events between Ameth and Tovenia.

Rest assured that we will be keeping a keen eye on the situations development and will be taking the government in exile to a secure and classified area for the time being.

And about the ADP-Bravo systems, we were planning on sending over the blueprints once we are finished with the last tests,

however if you do want them now so that your scientists can look over it themselves as well, we can send them over asap.

(OOC: If you need them for the story rn I can send some badly drawn W.I.P sketches to you).

Your kindest regards - Alrkus, Secretary of External Affairs

(OOC: I don't go to that level of rp, it's fine)

West Remeshile wrote:Yes we’ll be slaying those aliens if they decide to come to Refugia and attack us 😜

Sure... Aliens... Yeah... Hmmmm... Maybe that's what we should have told the press.

Journia, Floofybit, St Leone, Jazur, West Remeshile

What are y’all’s thoughts on the WA vote?

Delta Vega Iv, Cheesy Tots, Werstonal, Floofybit, Jazur

Aephony

Delta Vega Iv, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Jazur, Powesaria

Aephony wrote:Aephony

based

Floofybit, Aephony

Greetings all,

I have posed a quick policy/development question in the current poll.

Vote now on your phones (or other devices)!

Also don't forget that there's a vote on establishing embassies with Caer Sidi up on the voting site for another day and a half. Consider voting if you haven't already: https://vote.calref.network/

Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Jazur, Parvesha

Watermelon

Journia, Floofybit, Jazur

Polushia wrote:Watermelon

Watermelon

Journia, Floofybit, Polushia, Jazur

People, I am happy to announce that St.Leone now has 2.669billion citizens ;D

Delta Vega Iv, Targis, Journia, Typica, Floofybit, Polushia, Jazur, Amiyoka, West Aralks

St Leone wrote:People, I am happy to announce that St.Leone now has 2.669billion citizens ;D

*click* Noice.

Journia, Floofybit, St Leone, Aephony, Polushia, Jazur

Polushia wrote:Watermelon

Tangerine >:(

Journia, Typica, Polushia, Jazur

Floofybit wrote:Tangerine >:(

Potato

Journia, Floofybit, Polushia, Jazur

Floofybit wrote:Tangerine >:(

Choked face* :-O

Journia, Floofybit, Jazur

Powesaria wrote:What are y’all’s thoughts on the WA vote?

The repeal's 3 reasons for repealing the resolution at vote all sound convincingly solid to me. I voted For.

Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Jazur, Powesaria, Carnaca

I wrote a helpful guide on what all these codewords are referring to in PAR.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1766072

Journia, Floofybit, Jazur

Delta Vega Iv wrote:The repeal's 3 reasons for repealing the resolution at vote all sound convincingly solid to me. I voted For.

Agreed. We voted against the target, so voting for the repeal makes good sense.

Delta Vega Iv, Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Jazur, West Aralks

guys ever tired of blending wheat with water and making wheat water?

Delta Vega Iv, Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Jazur, West Aralks

NOBLE REFUGI, LEND ME YOUR EARS. If you don't have ears to give, your thorax will do.

You may or may not remember that I published a dispatch several days ago warning of the incoming apocalypse. The apocalypse is still incoming, the only thing that has changed is us, as we are now situated closer to that world-ending nuclear disaster than ever before. So, for those of you who wish to participate in the festivities, please join this discord server!:

https://discord.gg/vMdMVxfAjY

Once you've joined, you will see a welcome message informing you of further instructions. After you've completed the steps outlined, we will be able to get you masked and ready to go, so that when the event starts on the 24th, we can all welcome the end of the world hand in hand. Remember your safety glasses and rubber gloves!

Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, St Leone, Tiralta, Polushia, Jazur, Parvesha, Zabruhmoment Of Vehemesht, Ullrani

Aephony wrote:Aephony

That is a radical flag! [spoiler](see what I did there? radical? no? okay...)[/spoiler]

Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Journia, Portmanteau, Aephony, Erie-Arcadia Of Wombats, Polushia, Jazur, Parvesha, West Aralks

Rupika wrote:guys ever tired of blending wheat with water and making wheat water?

I prefer blending barley with water and brewing it.

Journia, Jazur

Floofybit wrote:That is a radical flag! [spoiler](see what I did there? radical? no? okay...)[/spoiler]

Yeah but is it a free radical?

Floofybit, Jazur

Delta Vega Iv wrote:I prefer blending barley with water and brewing it.

yes a classic in german cusine,

Delta Vega Iv, Journia, Jazur, Carnaca

Very short discussion post on Repeal "Whistleblower Protection Act" (thread? here!)

The repeal essentially raises three key issues with the target:

[list][*]First, that the target's blockage of punishment for media outlets (Section 4 of the target) reporting financial information of a government official violates an innocent official's right to privacy. The repeal states that only with evidence of relevant bad-doing should such information be leaked; otherwise, it should not.

[*]Second, the target's prohibition on publishing identifying information on third parties (unless involved in a crime committed by an official) prevents the media from reporting on crimes conducted privately - thus harming society by prohibiting extensive reporting on unethical acts conducted by individuals who aren't government officials.

[*]Third, the way the target's Section 6(a) is written essentially nullifies the right to legally challenge libel, slander, defamation, and other similar crimes - which the repeal finds concerning.[/list]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Delta and Refuge. The repeal raises a lot of good points against the resolution - enough for me to be in support, although I will note the discussion post on the target raises different concerns from the repeal (those interested can read the post here).

In any case, I recommend voting FOR Repeal "Whistleblower Protection Act". But if anyone else has thoughts, let us know! ^-^

Delta Vega Iv, Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Werstonal, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, St Leone, Tiralta, Parvesha

Sylh Alanor wrote:NOBLE REFUGI, LEND ME YOUR EARS. If you don't have ears to give, your thorax will do.

You may or may not remember that I published a dispatch several days ago warning of the incoming apocalypse. The apocalypse is still incoming, the only thing that has changed is us, as we are now situated closer to that world-ending nuclear disaster than ever before. So, for those of you who wish to participate in the festivities, please join this discord server!:

https://discord.gg/vMdMVxfAjY

Once you've joined, you will see a welcome message informing you of further instructions. After you've completed the steps outlined, we will be able to get you masked and ready to go, so that when the event starts on the 24th, we can all welcome the end of the world hand in hand. Remember your safety glasses and rubber gloves!

say how will we protect ourselves from it?

Jazur

Rupika wrote:say how will we protect ourselves from it?

The shield production I mentioned in my dispatch

Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, Tiralta, Jazur

Sylh Alanor wrote:The shield production I mentioned in my dispatch

ok got it

Sylh Alanor, Jazur

Well there has been an attempted coup d'etat in Dimm-A-Land which is an obvious sign of a pretty successful regime if I say so my self

Cheesy Tots, Typica, Floofybit, Tiralta, Jazur

Dimm-A-Land wrote:Well there has been an attempted coup d'etat in Dimm-A-Land which is an obvious sign of a pretty successful regime if I say so my self

Usually giving the people more civil rights has worked, have you tried that?

Floofybit, Jazur

Powesaria wrote:What are y’all’s thoughts on the WA vote?

sounds like a good improvement to the pass act. I voted yes.

Typica, Floofybit, Jazur

Thanks for the feedback in the current poll, although the votes surprised me, they are very decisive

Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, St Leone, Tiralta, Jazur, Zabruhmoment Of Vehemesht

Dimm-A-Land wrote:Thats right, Doug Dimmadome! Billionare, real-estate tycoon, and de-stroyer of cherished childhood dreams!

I shall hunt you down.

Journia, Floofybit, Jazur, Zabruhmoment Of Vehemesht, Dimm-A-Land

Hello, just to let people know N-Day is in 4 days ...

(And [Url=https://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=41&sid=b0221d52a1b2432ba8b83231007bcade]Vault 41[/url] is open)

Typica, Floofybit, Tiralta, Jazur, Dimm-A-Land

so does something happen if we just don't want to participate? or is it just like a fun little event and we don't have to do anything? /ooc

Tiralta, Jazur

Lifeisacakewalk wrote:so does something happen if we just don't want to participate? or is it just like a fun little event and we don't have to do anything? /ooc

you can just ignore it. it's just a fun little event that NS gets from time to time. but you still participates, perse, but you can totally ignore it.

the zombie infection event is what i'm eagerly waiting! two years, i missed the event, now I must participate! regardless!

Floofybit, Tiralta, Jazur, Powesaria

How can I get the link to the map from the generator because it only shows me code when I press the link?

Jazur

Ullrani wrote:How can I get the link to the map from the generator because it only shows me code when I press the link?

The map website is the other link in that section. You have to enter the code to load the map.

Floofybit, Jazur

Sylh Alanor wrote:NOBLE REFUGI, LEND ME YOUR EARS. If you don't have ears to give, your thorax will do.

You may or may not remember that I published a dispatch several days ago warning of the incoming apocalypse. The apocalypse is still incoming, the only thing that has changed is us, as we are now situated closer to that world-ending nuclear disaster than ever before. So, for those of you who wish to participate in the festivities, please join this discord server!:

https://discord.gg/vMdMVxfAjY

Once you've joined, you will see a welcome message informing you of further instructions. After you've completed the steps outlined, we will be able to get you masked and ready to go, so that when the event starts on the 24th, we can all welcome the end of the world hand in hand. Remember your safety glasses and rubber gloves!

Can I just exist a be like Switzerland during the apocalypse?

Floofybit, Jazur

Polushia wrote:Can I just exist a be like Switzerland during the apocalypse?

Switzerland during the apocalypse would still get nuked, ya know...

Neutrality doesn't protect you from Mutually Assured Destruction, especially in todays world.

Floofybit, Polushia, Jazur

Waywards Edge wrote:Switzerland during the apocalypse would still get nuked, ya know...

Neutrality doesn't protect you from Mutually Assured Destruction, especially in todays world.

Oh D-:

Floofybit, Jazur

Polushia wrote:Can I just exist a be like Switzerland during the apocalypse?

Yeah, you have to choose to sign up for the event when it starts. But constantly having to restate this takes away from the fun game the rest of us want to participate in lol

Floofybit, Polushia, Jazur

Polushia wrote:Oh D-:

technically you could be neutral you just wouldnt participate i think

Floofybit, Polushia, Jazur

Sylh Alanor wrote:Yeah, you have to choose to sign up for the event when it starts. But constantly having to restate this takes away from the fun game the rest of us want to participate in lol

Oh, my bad

Waywards Edge wrote:technically you could be neutral you just wouldnt participate i think

Cool, thanks

Floofybit, Jazur

if i don't want to join the N-day event, do i have to quit the refugia?(new here)

Jazur

Carnaca wrote:if i don't want to join the N-day event, do i have to quit the refugia?(new here)

If you direct your vision to the posts just a micrometre above the one you just made, you should see that the answer is "No, your nation participating in the event is optional"

If it were written any more times than it already has been, it would be every text on this page.

Cheesy Tots, Jazur

Sylh Alanor wrote:The map website is the other link in that section. You have to enter the code to load the map.

Thanks

Jazur

Refuge Isle wrote:If you direct your vision to the posts just a micrometre above the one you just made, you should see that the answer is "No, your nation participating in the event is optional"

If it were written any more times than it already has been, it would be every text on this page.

We should spam "No, your nation participating in the event is optional"

Jazur

No, your nation participating in the event is optional

St Leone, Jazur

Waywards Edge wrote:No, your nation participating in the event is optional

No, your nation participating in the event is optional

Jazur, Waywards Edge

St Leone wrote:No, your nation participating in the event is optional

No, your nation participating in the event is optional

St Leone, Jazur

Post self-deleted by Istastioner.

Does anyone else think my nation participating in the event is optional or is it just me?

St Leone, Jazur

The Pacific Northwest wrote:Does anyone else think my nation participating in the event is optional or is it just me?

I think it's just you who thinks that 😏

Jazur

woohoo, I'm a member state once more

Chacapoya, Journia, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Tovenia, St Leone, Polushia, Jazur

guys know what a object show is?

Journia, Jazur

It's awards season!

Introducing the Refugi Awards, an event to celebrate some of your favourite people in this region. Nominate your fellow Refugi (or yourself) in 7 different categories and the winners will get a prize I've not given out before: 24 hours in the Refugi government.

Read more about it here:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1766600

Like all other events, your participation here is optional, but as it's the last culture event this term I'd really appreciate it! <3

Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, St Leone, Jazur, Parvesha, Powesaria, Xianland

Potato ftw

Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka

Parvesha wrote:Potato ftw

Tangerine ftw. I'll allow potato to come in second though 🍊

Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Aephony, Tiralta

Rupika wrote:guys know what a object show is?

Yes

My economy is FAIR! Finally!!!!

Journia, Typica, Floofybit, St Leone, Tiralta, Istastioner, Rejakhta, Dimm-A-Land

Polushia wrote:For the people here that watch anime, what is you top 3 opening?

Mine: Dr. Stone - season 2 op

Seven Deadly Sins - op 1

Vinland Saga - op 2

jojo part 2

jojo part 6

jojo part 3

Cheesy Tots wrote:Friends! We've got anooother General Assembly proposal - "Minimum Payment Act"! Thread here!

The proposal essentially establishes in Clause 1 that for any form of unsecured retail loans (the proposal uses examples of credit cards and personal loans), any minimum payment as set by the creditor must cover the interest obtained over the payment period. Clause 2 states that if the creditor sets a minimum payment below the resolution's mandates and the borrower pays for the payment, then the payment must still be paid as the minimum payment calculated in Clause 1.

While I appreciate the sentiment behind this resolution (it prevents the amount necessary to be paid each month from growing - thus preventing infinite debt) as well as its brevity, clause 2 gives me pause. Per the author, this clause is meant to say that if the creditor sets the payment too low and the borrower pays for it, then the creditor must pay the rest to meet the requirements of clause 1. However, as clause 2 is written, it is not clear that this is the creditor's responsibility to pay the remainder. It really isn't clear who is supposed to pay up the remainder at all - and in a certain interpretation, clause 2 can be seen as completely voiding clause 1 (which is certainly the first interpretation I had when I first read the proposal).

Therefore, I'm thinking of recommending a vote against but I want to hear more thoughts on this. What are y'alls opinions on the resolution?

Journia wrote:Yes

nice

Journia, Cheesy Tots, Floofybit, St Leone, Polushia

At this moment I believe we should not be repealing the Whistleblower Protection Act.

The repeal proposal is based on a misreading and exaggeration of the original Act,

and I am concerned that many governments will use it's repeal to crack down on dissident voices within their administration and media.

I urge a vote against the repeal

Trattativa wrote:At this moment I believe we should not be repealing the Whistleblower Protection Act.

The repeal proposal is based on a misreading and exaggeration of the original Act,

and I am concerned that many governments will use it's repeal to crack down on dissident voices within their administration and media.

I urge a vote against the repeal

Could you elaborate on what you feel is misread or exaggerated?

At present, I'm inclined to support the repeal on the grounds that we voted against the target due, in part, to the analysis by former WA Councillor Junitaki-Cho

Chacapoya, Cheesy Tots, Junitaki-Cho

Gladly, thank you for asking.

First this (from the Repeal attempt)

"Section 3 prohibits the media from publishing a person's personally identifying information (such as names) unless that person is party to a crime committed by a government official. This is a substantial limit on the freedom of the press: media outlets would no longer be able to report on crimes committed entirely by private individuals and unconnected to government action."

Section 3 protects "third parties". Third part is defined by Webster as "a person other than the principals". When Government entities aren't involved, random criminals won't BE third parties.

Section 3 only covers collateral damage from leaks etc, for instance evidence of Government crime that also includes the names and information of '3rd Parties' would have to be redacted.

Aephony, West Remeshile

well shiitake mushrooms, I just became a psychotic dictatorship :(

Journia, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Jazur, Geoffistan, Waywards Edge

And the complaint about 6a (protection from libel) claims that only a court can prove something false,

and that 'proven' is in the past tense, supposedly making it impossible to get to court in the first place;

6a says

"unless the information disseminated is proven to be demonstrably false..." - I don't see this as the past tense.

Finally, I felt that concerns about identity theft from released financial documents of officials was overblown; surely past law prevents release of vitals such as personal identification numbers etc

It's coming...

Cheesy Tots, Araine, Tiralta, Jazur

Trattativa wrote:Gladly, thank you for asking.

First this (from the Repeal attempt)

"Section 3 prohibits the media from publishing a person's personally identifying information (such as names) unless that person is party to a crime committed by a government official. This is a substantial limit on the freedom of the press: media outlets would no longer be able to report on crimes committed entirely by private individuals and unconnected to government action."

Section 3 protects "third parties". Third part is defined by Webster as "a person other than the principals". When Government entities aren't involved, random criminals won't BE third parties.

Section 3 only covers collateral damage from leaks etc, for instance evidence of Government crime that also includes the names and information of '3rd Parties' would have to be redacted.

I think it depends on how you define party. You can say that a third party is "someone other than the principals", but you can also split up individuals and organizations involved into separate parties based on how involved they are and their relationship with each other.

So yes, a third party could mean in definition "anyone besides the two primary parties" - but the question of what is a party also has to be brought up. Which, usually, means an independent actor separate from another party (although parties can work together). So one could read the target resolution as essentially preventing media outlets from reporting on all individuals/institutions involved in a crime, which clearly limits the information available to the public on non-government related crimes.

This site kinda shows what I mean: https://ludwig.guru/s/multiple+parties+involved

Trattativa wrote:And the complaint about 6a (protection from libel) claims that only a court can prove something false,

and that 'proven' is in the past tense, supposedly making it impossible to get to court in the first place;

6a says

"unless the information disseminated is proven to be demonstrably false..." - I don't see this as the past tense.

Personally I see it as past tense, so I have to disagree with you here as well. I can see why it's a bit of a weird argument, but from the way I can interpret it it makes sense.

Trattativa wrote:Finally, I felt that concerns about identity theft from released financial documents of officials was overblown; surely past law prevents release of vitals such as personal identification numbers etc
I'm not sure how exaggerated it is, but there's a high chance it may be a valid statement considering both authors are well known GAers. But you may be right here, idk.

Inaros Opa wrote:well shiitake mushrooms, I just became a psychotic dictatorship :(

It ain't corruption, it's corporate lobbying!

Floofybit, Aephony, Jazur

How do I join a thing for the incoming nuclear weapons?

Floofybit, Jazur

Cheesy Tots wrote:Personally I see it as past tense, so I have to disagree with you here as well.

"Proven" is indeed the past-tense form of "prove".

Cheesy Tots, Jazur

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