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Region: Refugia
Alright, the proposal Repeal "Freedom of Religion" is up for debate, and the first of my problems with this is that is it very poorly written. The author of this proposal probably did a cursory glance through the resolution it's trying to repeal, and then wrote this up. In the 4th paragraph of the repeal proposal, the author seems to dislike the fact that cannibalism is prohibited for being a health risk, yet calls out licensing and disease testing mandates as being less restrictive, but also less effective. A statement that has nothing to do with practicing religion.
There's also the fact that the author also calls out the World Assembly for restricting religious practices to those that "will advance environmental protection" and "advance interests in health, safety, and good order", which makes me believe that they are reaching for reasons to decry the resolution.
In my opinion, this is getting an AGAINST vote from me, but the floor is open to those who want it.
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Tiralta, Waywards Edge, Amiyoka, Funf, Antimai
I like the flag! Could I ask what the colors/shapes represent?
Tiralta, Amiyoka
Wacky question for the older nations out there, but does anyone know how the game distinguishes land from marine state animals? I thought that was weird when I made mine, and it gave me the banner
Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Amiyoka
Gonna be honest, I opened the proposal and thought "oh, this author again?" cause I'm sure I've voted against 2 or 3 of their recent proposals based on writing quality.
But yeah, I agree that this one in particular makes very little sense. I can't tell what point they're trying to make in half the paragraphs.
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Rejakhta, Amiyoka, Antimai
As far as I'm aware, there are land, air, and sea animals. The latter two are hard-coded lists and if something is unknown, it's assumed to be a land animal.
There's a animal relocation thread for admin to update those lists, if there's something relatively non-niche that's been overlooked.
Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Avfallheim, Amiyoka, Antimai, Duerrenberg
Disappointed, X-02 Wyvern does not count as an air based animal
Amiyoka, Duerrenberg
I dont think cannibalism is prohibited by the WA at all, theres a proposal being drafted by a secretariat to regulate, but not ban it. The proposal asserts that due to the resolution mandating any regulation of religion be done through the least restrictive means, it is keeping nations from banning cannibalism outright, instead requiring licensing and testing of that meat because it is less restrictive than a ban.
Some cultures throughout human history have practiced cannibalism as a normal cultural/religious practice. I think thats why its being used as an example, its something that could be a religious practice that nations may want to ban due to health reasons, but cant because of a ban is more restrictive than testing.
The author makes the argument that the resolutions requirement for restrictions on religious practices is too narrow, as it doesnt include environmental protection as a permissible reason for restriction, only that of health, safety, and good order.
The author has drafted a replacement, the main difference between it and the resolution up for repeal being that it mandates governments not aim solely to suppress, promote, or discourage religion, and does not specify that nations regulate religious practices in the least restrictive way possible.
I voted for the repeal earlier today because I was aware there was a replacement well in the works and didnt see anything really wrong with it when I read it. The first two paragraphs are just saying the author believes religious freedoms should be protected and that a replacement has been drafted. The only actual arguments for the repeal are that the resolution gets in the way of banning certain practices and doesnt specifically consider environmental protection a valid reason for restriction.
Deciding what does or does not constitute a compelling practical interest, and determining whether a restriction on a religious practice could be considered to be mainly for the purpose of suppressing or discouraging religion could get tricky. At least the current resolutions requirement that restrictions be the least restrictive means necessary gives something to go on. The replacement has a few more days for feedback and improvements. If nothing changes Ill probably change my vote to no on the repeal.
Are there any opinions on the replacement?
Typica, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai
Yes good thing it was midnight
Amiyoka
It wasnt for me ;-;
Amiyoka, Quelidriquaqnas
Not in my part of the world lol
Amiyoka, Quelidriquaqnas
Pretty good
Amiyoka, Quelidriquaqnas
Im going to write a Factbook about the founding of my nation, is there any specific stuff about Refugia as a whole I should keep in mind?
Araine, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Quelidriquaqnas
Not really, go nuts! For the most part, we endorse creativity!
Araine, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Quelidriquaqnas
Ok then, thanks! Btw in the welcome telegram it said something about a robotic cube so Im wondering how high tech refugia is in-lore
Amiyoka, Quelidriquaqnas
Ok then, thanks! Btw in the welcome telegram it said something about a robotic cube so Im wondering how high tech refugia is in-lore
St Leone, Tiralta, Rejakhta, Amiyoka, Duerrenberg, Quelidriquaqnas
That's actually a good question. I think either Sylh or Refuge would have a better answer on that
St Leone, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Duerrenberg, Lycanjeskai, Quelidriquaqnas
Ive asked this multiple times and from what what ive heard there isnt really an answer to this question :P
So in my mind its like . . idk maybe 2050-2100 ish, but some nations seem to have it way into the future and some are like medieval so idk lol
Tiralta, Rejakhta, Amiyoka, Duerrenberg
Tiralta, Amiyoka
ye, i have it like a little bit in the future so I can use like futuristic-ish weapons and that kind, but still be pretty close to real time so that you could still use real life as refference and it still making some sense.
Tiralta, Amiyoka
The slope is for our mountainous terrain, and the dash is for equality.
Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai
I like to imagine Refugia as a region wherein every country is their own pocket dimension thing... So they can pick whatever they want for their nation! That's a half joke of course, but if in-lore Refugia is very advanced technologically, wouldn't it be hypothetically possible? It's cool hearing everyone's takes.
Portmanteau, Tiralta, Rejakhta, Antimai, Lycanjeskai
Oh and maybe they all gather in one larger area for votes that being the official map
Amiyoka
I mean, I'd believe it
Tiralta, Amiyoka, Lycanjeskai
My economy is effed on so many levels.
St Leone, Amiyoka
yeah i accidentally the organ harvesting
Amiyoka, Fadnesia
The good thing about NationStates is that you can always rebound from a bad economy. I had a drop at first, but I pulled myself up! You can do it!
Araine, Portmanteau, Imperve, Tiralta, Antimai, Fadnesia
lmao my economy went from being my worst stat by far to now being my best lol, and all it costed me was. . . my civil rights for a short while lmao, who needs those anyways amiright cxxxxxxxxxxxx
Araine, Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai, Fadnesia
I like to imagine mine is current day, but a much better alternate reality version with better equality and stuff :D
Typica, Araine, Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Lycanjeskai
Tiralta is in 2050 but on an alternate timeline where we didn't mess up the planet.
Typica, Araine, St Leone, Imperve, Amiyoka
Estebere, for whatever reason, is in 2050 but with tech that would be for 2025.
Typica, Araine, Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Prodigal
🕺🎉
Tiralta, Amiyoka
I just got that same result not even two weeks ago lol
Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka
Amiyoka is present, but it retains and constructs mostly 1400s era architecture to preserve tradition, and because it looks nice. I like to imagine it's described as a time capsule due to the preservation of culture ^__^
Typica, Araine, Imperve, Tiralta
same basically the same as St. Leone then xD
just that im not exactly set, just somewhere in the near future, up to like 2100ish max lol
Tiralta, Amiyoka
Neither of us are aware of previous times that you asked. Feel free to ping us next time if we don't see it.
Refugia is based off of CalRef's RP of about 480,000 words, Fanciful Tales and Wild Stories of the Refuge. The RP took inspiration from real events that happened in the community and made them into a fantasy-tech world. Forum boards were D&D style buildings. It's not so much that Refugia is technologically *advanced*, but the tech was a fundimental component of the magic system, and Refuge Isle (Where Calamity Refuge was located) even existing.
Scripts were spells, and programming was the language of magic. Portals and street cars were operated by Google, and mods and admins were powerful wizards and warriors against spam bats and the mindless marauding forces of noobs. The land was the site itself, in the same vein as xkcd's map of the internet (https://xkcd.com/802/), normal ground with grass and trees, but from code. A digital mesh upon wish people could construct anything someone had the capability to make. There were many other types of magic as well, which were non-tech reliant, like BladesCraft, GeneGraft (used by the Shapers to create new life), elemental magic, and much more.
The robot that greets you in the welcome telegram is a simplebot. Simplebots are small, compact robots that service Calamity Refuge. Their shape and function vary depending on what they're programmed to do. This is anything from cleaning things up, relaying messages, or defending the territory from spam bats. It's a bit antiquated, but here's the original RP article:
https://wiki.calref.network/index.php/SimpleBots
In IRL administrative terms, simplebots were (and still are) automated accounts that do things. There is a simplebot account for the forum interfacing with the mysql database. Another for managing the routine tasks of the wiki. Another for handling the mail system for the forum. And, functionally, Nightly updating our databases and dispatches falls under that concept too. As does Dot, really.
The Star Enpire, Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Imperve, Tiralta, Jazur, Rejakhta, Amiyoka, Antimai, Lycanjeskai
Rejakhta is in 2055, but retained a lot of the military and architectural styles from the 1500s
Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka, West Islate
That is insanely cool, thanks for the clarification
Cheesy Tots, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Imperve, Tiralta, Jazur, Rejakhta, Amiyoka
oh, pretty sure I got an answer before, but maybe i mistunderstood :P
sorry
Imperve, Jazur, Amiyoka
How do you join the different treaties? I was 'ooking through them, and I noticed that none of seem to outright say how
St Leone, Amiyoka
I would assume message the founder (or just a member maybe) from the treaty and ask to join and i guess they will tell it further to the people in charge of the map?
This is just me guessing but i would assume its along those lines. Wouldnt hurt to message the founder of the treaty regardless i guess :P
Sylh Alanor, Imperve, Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka
I believe if you have the prerequisites the treaty you're trying to join is looking for, then you should message the founders of the treaty
Sylh Alanor, St Leone, Imperve, Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka
It's so nice to have you all here! Theres a lot of great information in the welcome telegram youve already received, but I have a few things that might help settling into the region easier. Refugia is part of a larger community named Calamity Refuge, or CalRef. We have a discord here: https://calref.network/chat/ and a forum here: https://calref.cc/index.php. Links for both are in the region description box at the top of this page. We host game nights and movie nights from the discord server from time to time. On the forum we have RPs and spam games (not really related to NS). If you want a place to just chill and talk to friendly people, those are great spaces for that.
If you haven't already done so, please consider joining the World Assembly and endorsing the delegate (that's me!). Click the link to learn more information on what that means and how to do it. If you join the World Assembly, you can endorse as many other nations in the region as you want, and get endorsed in return. You'll also become a Refugia Member State, which means you can vote in our elections and get a spot on our map of Refugia!
If you have any questions, please let us know. Everyone here is really friendly, except for one, because everything in life is a roll of the dice. If you prefer to read something pre-written over asking, however, check out this dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1449847
Finally, if you are an alt nation (which just means if the nation tagged in this welcome message is not your main nation on NationStates), it is required by regional law for you to report your main nation and intentions in Refugia to the Operations Councillor (that's A Million Dreams!) Thanks so much.
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Jazur, Amiyoka, Antimai
I like your new flag ^^
Kinda reminds me of the one you had around june-ish with all the blue, for a second I thought you had just switched back xD
Tiralta, Amiyoka
Yeah, it's kinda a combo of my last flag and my June flag! You have a good memory
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tiralta/detail=factbook/id=1752532
Typica, St Leone, Jazur, Amiyoka
mhm, good memory, sure.
Not like i just thought it looked familiar and so i checked the flag history or anything haha totally not :D
(Btw you have to teach me how to make a St Leone wiki just like you have cause it looks amazing) :O
(Joking obv you dont have to xD But it does look good ^^)
Tiralta, Amiyoka
Aw thanks! It's just liberal use of [hr] to be honest, which is my favourite thing in bbcode cause I don't have to remember to close it.
St Leone, Amiyoka
Just got an issue about humans on the dinner table. I was confused for a good minute there. I need to change my animal to crow.
Edit: Done.
Typica, Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai, Neurodiversity
Youd think banning political parties would raise political freedom but ig not. Washington is crying rn
Typica, Imperve, Amiyoka, Wolfielandia, West Islate
Tidelia is in 2300, but it's actually in an alternate timeline where 2300 is how 2022 is right now.
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Cadenzana, Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka
You're doing the people of 2300 dirty
Portmanteau, Tiralta, Tidelia
I'll be sure to pray for them next half-moon.
Melenavenia, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Tidelia
As promised, that time has come.
If you guys are looking for help finding out what nations you haven't yet endorsed, I've spun up a new service to help with just that.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1793031
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Portmanteau, Fel Vudos, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai
Wow my internet and data went down at the same time and theyre through completely different companies. Never had that happen before.
My nation is just an idealized version of modern day Oregon and Washington so its just plain old 2022 here with the exception of dinosaurs. I brought those back before I decided what this nation was entirely going to be so Ive just got dinosaurs wandering around.
Delta Vega Iv, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Dilwyn, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Tidelia
Sorry North Pacific, the cool kids are in town.
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka
So, this is a random thing, but everyone saw the new recreational drug use change, right. So, more factors go into deciding that, cool. But can someone explain how subsidizing the dino-park breeders lowers recreational drug use?
Imperve, Amiyoka, Neurodiversity
TNP's program is currently down, which is probably not a surprise because r3n isn't an active player anymore. Neither is August. And the rest of the world needs a reliable way to get help endorsing.
Either way, we're definitely more inclined to use our services than rely on third parties.
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Liphia, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai, Lycanjeskai
Helluwu :)
Typica, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Fadnesia
How do I become a member?
Tiralta
hello :D
Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
To become a member state you just join the world assembly and hang out here in the region for 7 days, then you get added to the list
Typica, Araine, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
Hello-owo
Amiyoka
Mhm, kay. When does WA answer usually?
Amiyoka
you've got to confirm it by email.
Also welcome!
Typica, Araine, St Leone, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
Ive only been playing since 3 hours before the latest z day began but Im already feeling like a part of Refugia so I just wanted to thank everyone who has helped me through the early stages of the game :)
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Portmanteau, Imperve, Tiralta, Rejakhta, Amiyoka, Wolfielandia, Uwuguaya
i am just new at here, don't know how to vote or do something further, hope i can stay at this religion longer(no means to disoffen anyone, if my language is offensive, sorry!!! and i use translator)
Sylh Alanor, Portmanteau, St Leone, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Antimai, Uwuguaya
what in this painful hell is this
Amiyoka, Antimai, Uwuguaya
Morning Yall,
Also
I am now classifed as liberal democratic socialist's despite having a very HIGH economy,
I am pretty pro-environment here but my economy is REALLY good soo no idea what happened
Typica, Amiyoka
We have 666 nations in refugia!
Typica, Portmanteau, Womentopia, Rejakhta, Amiyoka, Neurodiversity
This is something that is a little quirk of NS. The 3 stats at the top of your nation page and when you click on your trend tab are Civil Rights, Political Freedom and Economy. However, your classification is based on your Civil Rights, Political Freedom and Economic Freedom. You have a high economy, but low economic freedom, so you're a Liberal Democratic Socialist nation.
Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, Imperve, Amiyoka
Oh, Fair
Thanks!
Typica, Tiralta, Amiyoka
I support this. I'm personally pro-dinosaur
Typica, Sylh Alanor, Portmanteau, Imperve, Tiralta, Amiyoka
Welcome to the region! Your language isn't at all offensive, don't worry.
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Araine, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Amiyoka
Um people dont need to take drugs to see dinosaurs anymore?
In other news, I got duped by confusing wording and now I dont hold democratic elections anymore.
Typica, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Portmanteau, Tiralta, Amiyoka
Nice to have a more reliable alternative, thanks for putting that together. Next stop - Texas's suite of tools! (actually, as I write that joke, I think it would be pretty great to have more reliable versions of those, too)
I would like to step into the light of the day as also being pro-dinosaur.
Cheesy Tots, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Tidelia, Antimai, Quelidriquaqnas
Same
Sylh Alanor, Portmanteau, Amiyoka, Antimai
very close to 700 pages.. exciting! also love the new tart alternative :)
Sylh Alanor, Araine, Liphia, Tiralta, Huliunov, Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
That was me!
Tiralta, Huliunov, Amiyoka
You ain't seen nothing yet. Me banning circumsision made my arms manufacturing economy jump by 75%!
Delta Vega Iv, Typica, Imperve, Huliunov, Amiyoka, Antimai, New Mountlynd, Uwuguaya
lol
Amiyoka, Tropifia, Landwallis, Uwuguaya
it is truly crazy how that can happen
Typica, Amiyoka, Landwallis, Uwuguaya
Yes it also made recreational drug use go up about 25% and communications economy go down 5%
Huliunov, Amiyoka, Tropifia, Uwuguaya
oh wow
Amiyoka, Tropifia, New Mountlynd, Uwuguaya
Hello all nations of Refugia!!
New Mountlynd is the worst.
(This is a joke, New Mountlynd is my alt that i created for history :) )
Tiralta, Amiyoka, Neurodiversity, Uwuguaya
whatever you want do do champ
Amiyoka
lmbo
Amiyoka
DUDE i want dinosaurs! Was it an event or something, or can I still get them???
Tiralta, Amiyoka, Mountlynd
It's an issue that will just pop up...who knows when
Delta Vega Iv, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Mountlynd, New Mountlynd, Uwuguaya
Jurassic park looks over all our shoulders
Typica, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
It's not Hell, it's Sushi Rice.
This joke was brought to you by the Ministry of Obscure References' Extremely Obscure References Branch.
The Star Enpire, Tiralta, Amiyoka, Neurodiversity, Uwuguaya
MORE ORB
The Star Enpire, Amiyoka, Estebere, Antimai
OH SUSHI RICE NO I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT
That is pretty funny that it has a good acronym though.
Better than the MMAFWB or the MFARB.
Edit: On the topic of MOREORB, did anyone else get feel as if the color scheming of the half of the video dedicated to the new 'Everyday Clutter' kit that just came out for the Sims 4 might have reminded them of Kazuha, a character from Genshin Impact, or is that too specific?
Brought to you by the Ministry of Obscure Referenses' Extremely Obscure References Branch.
Tiralta, Amiyoka, Neurodiversity
May I present to you all!
Inspired by the corporate war (and project wingman, and Rejakhta's own corpo war 15 years ago*)
Aces Of Refugia: The Corporate War: Prologue
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1793601
Options:
WSO (extra side character)
no WSO (no extra side character)
[sub]*The war 15 years ago[/sub]
Tovenia, Portmanteau, St Leone, Jazur, Rejakhta, Amiyoka, Antimai, Uwuguaya
Uwu-What do you mean?-uwu
Typica, Amiyoka
Hello :3
Amiyoka, Mountlynd
HOLY (f triple dash word) MY RETAIL JUST JUMPED $14,390% FROM EXPEDITING A DRUGxz
Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
if you understood the joke i'm very happy
[sub]*The war 15 years ago[/sub]
Amiyoka
I'll make a flag for you guys for free just telegram me! I'm pretty good at making them.
Typica, Portmanteau, Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
honestly same id love to make some flags too :D
(Also im sorry Waywards Edge, i might have gotten a little busy with school so i havent made any more flags for you yet sorry) :/
Portmanteau, Tiralta, Waywards Edge, Amiyoka, Uwuguaya
nah is chill i also have school so i completely understand
St Leone, Tiralta, Amiyoka
Ill take you by your word then :3
Amiyoka
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