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Well I suppose I should mark the occasion where I feel ready to open this region for good...

...So, here I am, marking it...

I hope this region takes a spot in GP as an interesting, and uniquely among non-NSLeft regions, politically minded, place for people to exist. If it doesn't, well... this post will be an interesting thing for the occasional trawler of dead regions to see and shed a small tear about. Still, my dreams are greater than being a mere footnote in the storied history of this game we all play. Those who know me already know that.

To those who are yet to know me, my potential and actual recruits... I bid you welcome! Come, sit a while and chat! The RMB is open, as is the Discord.

Antarctic Sarnz, Useless Lerasian Puppet, Dudstar Land, Wallachinstein, Ceterra, Peimbertia, Middle New Dinin

hi

Technocratic Founder, Useless Lerasian Puppet

Cacasus wrote:hi

Hello!

Sad to see you've already moved on in a bit of a flurry of skipping through regions, but your visit is appreciated :P

Also hello to Spikens! Come and join the discord!

https://discord.gg/kmYgpAJ

Useless Lerasian Puppet, Socialist Imperators

I am glad to be apart of this cool thing .

Technocratic Founder, Useless Lerasian Puppet

like my new flag?

Useless Lerasian Puppet

Dudstar Land wrote:like my new flag?

It fits you very well :D

Useless Lerasian Puppet, Dudstar Land

What's up.

Useless Lerasian Puppet

Mekonian States wrote:What's up.

Nothing much just watching some youtube. What's new with you?

Useless Lerasian Puppet

Dudstar Land wrote:I am glad to be apart of this cool thing .

And I am glad to have you! Welcome!

Useless Lerasian Puppet

your all vary cool things

Technocratic Founder, Useless Lerasian Puppet

Post self-deleted by Dudstar Land.

Don't forget to join the discord :)

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder, Useless Lerasian Puppet

Dudstar Land wrote:your all vary cool things

I love being a cool thing! But also it's winter rn and I'd kinda like to be a warm thing again, so bring on summer!

The Fre Rust wrote:Don't forget to join the discord :)

And as Rust says, please do join in on there!

Useless Lerasian Puppet

Whoop we breached 10 nations. Hooray to us, lol!

Antarctic Sarnz, Useless Lerasian Puppet, The Fre Rust

am I one of those?

Technocratic Founder, Useless Lerasian Puppet

Dudstar Land wrote:am I one of those?

You are indeed! I'm glad to have you here

Useless Lerasian Puppet

Antarctic Sarnz

Is that a new flag I see? Dreamersistan, ready the flag factories!

Antarctic Sarnz

Useless Lerasian Puppet wrote:Antarctic Sarnz

Is that a new flag I see? Dreamersistan, ready the flag factories!

It is, and I didn't know Dreamer was back on NS. Thought you had left too after I stopped seeing you on TEP.

Useless Lerasian Puppet

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:It is, and I didn't know Dreamer was back on NS. Thought you had left too after I stopped seeing you on TEP.

He is on hiatus but last I checked he still accepts telegrams. Haven't gotten a cleverly crafted tg in a while, though, so he might have stopped paying attention to us mortals for the time being. And yeah. I did. Kind of. I'm less than half as active as I was before, I quit Valsora, and I've moved on, but I'm still very much around. The occasional post in TEP by Aivintis while I retain my government positions there, and I have sent a puppet to XKI to become my new WA account. I even sent a puppet to TNP to do Strangereal and this new map called Facet. And, of course, you saw my Jolly Reaper puppet, which left Osiris because conflict of interest with XKI. Get this: started an RP region. I might actually look for an embassy with here. And my Lerasi account itself has been retired by le me. So big changes. For better or worse is yet to determine. But, more importantly, how are you? I see you found a nice region. Technocratic: Oh yeah. LGBT friendly: Awesome dude. Socialist: Not my style but still not bad. I'm glad you found somewhere. Until I found TEP I didn't really have a home in NS. Everyone deserves a home, whether it's digital or not. Everyone deserves a community. I wish this place luck. </rant>

Edit: Do I get the reward for longest RMB post in the STU?

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder, The Fre Rust, Ceterra

Useless Lerasian Puppet wrote:He is on hiatus but last I checked he still accepts telegrams. Haven't gotten a cleverly crafted tg in a while, though, so he might have stopped paying attention to us mortals for the time being. And yeah. I did. Kind of. I'm less than half as active as I was before, I quit Valsora, and I've moved on, but I'm still very much around. The occasional post in TEP by Aivintis while I retain my government positions there, and I have sent a puppet to XKI to become my new WA account. I even sent a puppet to TNP to do Strangereal and this new map called Facet. And, of course, you saw my Jolly Reaper puppet, which left Osiris because conflict of interest with XKI. Get this: started an RP region. I might actually look for an embassy with here. And my Lerasi account itself has been retired by le me. So big changes. For better or worse is yet to determine. But, more importantly, how are you? I see you found a nice region. Technocratic: Oh yeah. LGBT friendly: Awesome dude. Socialist: Not my style but still not bad. I'm glad you found somewhere. Until I found TEP I didn't really have a home in NS. Everyone deserves a home, whether it's digital or not. Everyone deserves a community. I wish this place luck. </rant>

Edit: Do I get the reward for longest RMB post in the STU?

Seems you've been busy haha. I'm not sure how people manage all their puppets. I have moved around a few regions, but the person who created this region is pretty cool, so I'd like to be able to help them with this. Hope your RP region goes well.

Technocratic Founder, Useless Lerasian Puppet

Useless Lerasian Puppet wrote:[spoiler]He is on hiatus but last I checked he still accepts telegrams. Haven't gotten a cleverly crafted tg in a while, though, so he might have stopped paying attention to us mortals for the time being. And yeah. I did. Kind of. I'm less than half as active as I was before, I quit Valsora, and I've moved on, but I'm still very much around. The occasional post in TEP by Aivintis while I retain my government positions there, and I have sent a puppet to XKI to become my new WA account. I even sent a puppet to TNP to do Strangereal and this new map called Facet. And, of course, you saw my Jolly Reaper puppet, which left Osiris because conflict of interest with XKI. Get this: started an RP region. I might actually look for an embassy with here. And my Lerasi account itself has been retired by le me. So big changes. For better or worse is yet to determine. But, more importantly, how are you? I see you found a nice region. Technocratic: Oh yeah. LGBT friendly: Awesome dude. Socialist: Not my style but still not bad. I'm glad you found somewhere. Until I found TEP I didn't really have a home in NS. Everyone deserves a home, whether it's digital or not. Everyone deserves a community. I wish this place luck. </rant>

Edit: Do I get the reward for longest RMB post in the STU?[/spoiler]

Well that is quite the post indeed, so you can have a shiny :P

It's always nice to witness reunions!

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:[spoiler]Seems you've been busy haha. I'm not sure how people manage all their puppets. I have moved around a few regions, but the person who created this region is pretty cool, so I'd like to be able to help them with this. Hope your RP region goes well.[/spoiler]

It's also nice to know that I'm pretty cool! :D

Antarctic Sarnz, Useless Lerasian Puppet

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Seems you've been busy haha. I'm not sure how people manage all their puppets. I have moved around a few regions, but the person who created this region is pretty cool, so I'd like to be able to help them with this. Hope your RP region goes well.

Me too.

And between you and me, it's impossible to manage puppets. Back when I was full fledged 100% TEP, I neglected 90% of them. Now, I use my Mangegneithe Info Center to name them all and all the regions, so I can give them some quick tending to. A lot of them are just stored in my puppet storage region until I find a good place to send them, like here. Having a uniform password helps, too, since before N Day each of my 40+ puppets had unique passwords. For N Day quick switching I changed them, so now it's easier. Still a pain, though, so I stick with Aivintis, Warris, and The Battlemaster.

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder

Greetings fellow Technocrats! :)

Technocratic Founder

Technocore Hegemony wrote:Greetings fellow Technocrats! :)

Hello and welcome!

Welcome to the new people who have recently joined :)

Technocratic Founder, Wallachinstein

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Welcome to the new people who have recently joined :)

Welcome indeed! I'm glad to have everyone here. If people haven't already, please do join us in the discord server (link is on the World Factbook Entry) so we can all get to know each other better :)

Antarctic Sarnz, The Fre Rust, 88O

that is a nice new flag you got there Technocratic founder

Technocratic Founder

Dudstar Land wrote:that is a nice new flag you got there Technocratic founder

Thank you! Mekonian States and I discussed using the new regional flag as a canton on our other flags in the discord, and I think it turned out pretty well for mine. Antarctic Sarnz is who made our current regional flag, so direct your love that way :P

The Fre Rust

Like the new flag. Anyway, this puppet is off to my puppet storage region, but I suspect I might want to become involved in STU in the future with a puppet that focuses on lore.

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder

Useless Lerasian Puppet wrote:Like the new flag. Anyway, this puppet is off to my puppet storage region, but I suspect I might want to become involved in STU in the future with a puppet that focuses on lore.

That's cool! I hope to see you around sometime.

MAP!!!

Well, the latest regional project has gone pretty damn well, even if I do say so myself. We've got ourselves a cool map now, so check it out:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1306444

If you want a spot on it, please contact me (via telegram or by joining our discord) with a proposed location, the colour you want to be (you can even give me an exact hex code!), and the location and name of your capital city.

That's not the end of the opportunities with the map though! If you join the discord we've got a section for nations roleplay.

Antarctic Sarnz, The Fre Rust, Uncuteatoo

Welcome Old Hollland, The Sand Wastes, Spacerats, and Lirnama! What made you all choose our region?

Please don't forget to join our discord; since that is where a majority of our communication happens.

Spacerats, Technocratic Founder

The Fre Rust wrote:Welcome Old Hollland, The Sand Wastes, Spacerats, and Lirnama! What made you all choose our region?

Please don't forget to join our discord; since that is where a majority of our communication happens.

A couple of you have already joined it, which I'm happy to see :)

Let me also welcome Lous Roman! Glad to have you. What do you guys all think about the poll topic?

Spacerats, The Fre Rust

Welcome The Divine One, Kalmera, Wasadii. Please remember to join the discord and leave your feedback in the poll :D

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder

Welcome The Second Hungarian Empire, Bofuri, Eolfsven, Pead Lan, Renevera, An Unholy Few, and Haugenia!!! Thank you all for joining and helping Social Technocratic Union grow :D Please remember to join the discord since that is where a majority of our discussions happen. Also don't forget to participate in the poll above.

The Fre Rust wrote:Welcome The Second Hungarian Empire, Bofuri, Eolfsven, Pead Lan, Renevera, An Unholy Few, and Haugenia!!! Thank you all for joining and helping Social Technocratic Union grow :D Please remember to join the discord since that is where a majority of our discussions happen. Also don't forget to participate in the poll above.

Thank you! I don't really use Discord but I'll try to be as active as I can here!

The Fre Rust

Pead Lan wrote:Thank you! I don't really use Discord but I'll try to be as active as I can here!

Neither do I.

Pead Lan wrote:Thank you! I don't really use Discord but I'll try to be as active as I can here!

The Second Hungarian Empire wrote:Neither do I.

Aw that's a shame to hear. Ah well, hopefully we can get some interesting conversations going gameside too. What are your opinions on the ongoing polls?

Technocratic Founder wrote:Aw that's a shame to hear. Ah well, hopefully we can get some interesting conversations going gameside too. What are your opinions on the ongoing polls?

The one about political framework lacked a few answers in my opinion, such as totalitarian/authoritarian regimes

Spacerats

Pead Lan wrote:The one about political framework lacked a few answers in my opinion, such as totalitarian/authoritarian regimes

Well, part of that is by choice. Totalitarianism isn't actually a thing that means anything, in either of its iterations of use. And the first use is in the context of a fascist state, so there's no way I'll be giving that as an option. The latter is a western propaganda attempt to make the USSR and Third Reich sound like they're exactly the same, and that's so blatantly untrue to anyone who's studied them it's sad it doesn't receive more pushback.

As for "authoritarianism," that's not so much a framework of governance as a nature of it. Illiberal democracy is authoritarian. So is monarchism. So is state socialism. And the same could be said of a unique system, if its creator desired. I suppose I could have included Republican dictatorship though...

Post self-deleted by New Dolphia.

Oligarchy should definitely be up there.

Technocratic Founder

Spacerats wrote:Oligarchy should definitely be up there.

Perhaps. I can't add it now, I'm afraid. Not without deleting the thing, and I don't wanna do that. If I added oligarchy and republican dictatorship that'd also be the last two slots filled. Only able to add 12 options.

Hello

Technocratic Founder, Uncuteatoo

Ghaks wrote:Hello

Why hello there! How are you?

Uncuteatoo

Hi guys

Uncuteatoo

Letas wrote:Hi guys

Hello! Welcome to the STU!

I hope you have a good time here. I see you opted for a libertarian approach to technocracy on the poll. That's interesting. Do you not think that without a firm and centralised approach, there would be inconsistent standards and goals in government?

Hi everyone xD

Technocratic Founder

Uncuteatoo wrote:Hi everyone xD

Welcome to the STU!

Uncuteatoo

Hello,

My nation was formed yesterday and I joined this region today. Any tips?

Technocratic Founder, Uncuteatoo

Pokimon wrote:Hello,

My nation was formed yesterday and I joined this region today. Any tips?

I've just joined today - absolutely no idea what I'm doing tbh. Tips would be very much appreciated.

Technocratic Founder, Uncuteatoo

Same case as Amallare. I have no idea what this is but it seems really fun. Can someone explain?

Technocratic Founder

I have made some bad decisions in my country and lowered political freedom how do I undo issues?

Aretha wrote:I have made some bad decisions in my country and lowered political freedom how do I undo issues?

I'm guessing you have to make better choices next time an issue is presented

Technocratic Founder, Aretha

Hello my Allies,

I have found my time here pleasant since my arrival today but has anyone else found it such a pain in the butt to make and upload a custom flag for your country. It took me almost a whole HOUR to get mine working.

Technocratic Founder

Pokimon wrote:Hello,

My nation was formed yesterday and I joined this region today. Any tips?

Amallare wrote:I've just joined today - absolutely no idea what I'm doing tbh. Tips would be very much appreciated.

No Profanity wrote:Same case as Amallare. I have no idea what this is but it seems really fun. Can someone explain?

First of all, hello and welcome!

The basic premise of this game is answering the issues which appear. There's a lot more under the surface though. There's all kinds of roleplaying opportunities around; this region specifically has a map you can ask for a place on, and an area in the discord to roleplay. Otherwise, whole lotta stuff around the NS forums.

There's also a regional government system in place here, and I could use a few people to join its staff. The constitution is pinned to the WFE. The way that kind of thing works is that we picture the region more as a nation in itself, and each user as a citizen, their nations operating as a user account. We've got a department for gameside engagement at the moment, and I plan to open a foreign ministry relatively soon, so we can reach out to other regions and establish relations.

If that sounds a bit much for you, there's always the community side of things. Kick back, relax, and have a chat with everyone! Maybe tell us all a little about yourselves.

Aretha wrote:I have made some bad decisions in my country and lowered political freedom how do I undo issues?

I'm afraid you cannot reverse the answers you've given. What you can do is answer more issues, which will have effects of their own. I'm sure you'll get one that will allow you to increase your political freedoms again, if that is what you desire.

Scientorfia wrote:Hello my Allies,

I have found my time here pleasant since my arrival today but has anyone else found it such a pain in the butt to make and upload a custom flag for your country. It took me almost a whole HOUR to get mine working.

Can't say I've had that problem, but my flag isn't as unconventionally wide as yours.

The Fre Rust, Vierslan

Is anyone awake haha

Ghaks wrote:Is anyone awake haha

Yeah, I am.

Very cool, very cool

Ghaks wrote:Is anyone awake haha

Yes, it's 7pm

Cool. Seems nice. Is there any activity criteria for regions? Like, do I have to do some X at every Y time interval to continue to be a member of this region like other games? Is there any way to lose or win this game? Any good tutorials would be helpful.

Hey, I came here from Reddit so am new! I'm finding it a bit confusing. All I've done is voted on issues really. What else can I do?

Hello Everyone! I just wanted to say hi! btw how has your day been? (off topic)

Uncuteatoo

Haha we all came from that one reddit thread

Technocratic Founder, Pead Lan

Pokimon wrote:Cool. Seems nice. Is there any activity criteria for regions? Like, do I have to do some X at every Y time interval to continue to be a member of this region like other games? Is there any way to lose or win this game? Any good tutorials would be helpful.

There is nothing more you need to do besides log in so you're country doesn't become inactive, but if you want to do more I suggest joining the discord since that is where pretty much where everything in this region gets done.

Glitoria wrote:Hey, I came here from Reddit so am new! I'm finding it a bit confusing. All I've done is voted on issues really. What else can I do?

Answering the issues is the majority of what you do, but what else you do with your nation is only limited by your imagination. Currently in the discord we have an rp section (Which includes a map!) we're also working on getting other "events" up and running. If you would like to help and contribute ideas I highly recommend joining the discord.

Aretha wrote:Hello Everyone! I just wanted to say hi! btw how has your day been? (off topic)

I've been pretty good a bit busy since the bookstore ran out of the book I needed for my class, but other that that pretty good. How's your day?

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder

Pokimon wrote:Cool. Seems nice. Is there any activity criteria for regions? Like, do I have to do some X at every Y time interval to continue to be a member of this region like other games? Is there any way to lose or win this game? Any good tutorials would be helpful.

Glitoria wrote:Hey, I came here from Reddit so am new! I'm finding it a bit confusing. All I've done is voted on issues really. What else can I do?

On top of what Rust already said, we've also got a regional government to participate in! We're getting to a size now where we can start reaching out to other regions for relationships, and for that, we need diplomats :)

Aretha wrote:Hello Everyone! I just wanted to say hi! btw how has your day been? (off topic)

I slept all day, recovering from a hangover. Not exactly the most adventurous time, ik. Now though, I'm eating some very much needed food.

Ghaks wrote:Haha we all came from that one reddit thread

Yeah a lot of people seem to have flooded into the game very quickly from that! Luckily you guys have me, an experienced player with 4 years under his belt.

Antarctic Sarnz, Flandersburg

Yay :)

Technocratic Founder

Scientorfia wrote:Hello my Allies,

I have found my time here pleasant since my arrival today but has anyone else found it such a pain in the butt to make and upload a custom flag for your country. It took me almost a whole HOUR to get mine working.

Custom flags can be a pain but if you need help in the future, let me know! I can help :3

Aretha wrote:Hello Everyone! I just wanted to say hi! btw how has your day been? (off topic)

Hi! Day has just started so far so good. And you?

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder

Lol it seems like I'm the delegate now.

If I could trouble you WA peeps to do so, please endorse everyone else in the WA, myself included :)

Pead Lan, Uncuteatoo, Dospolitzbostan

Technocratic Founder wrote:Lol it seems like I'm the delegate now.

If I could trouble you WA peeps to do so, please endorse everyone else in the WA, myself included :)

I can't, right?

Hello there fellow technocratic comrades, it's me citalli

Technocratic Founder

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Seems you've been busy haha. I'm not sure how people manage all their puppets. I have moved around a few regions, but the person who created this region is pretty cool, so I'd like to be able to help them with this. Hope your RP region goes well.

Hi, I am citalli, The founder of one of the allied regions to this one the Citillan Alliance and I like your flag, it’s very nice, and trust me, it’s very hard managing 5 puppets:

Potato Cat Land

Gachapon

New Nunavut

Coastal Arabia

Inco-Bolivaria

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder

Citalli wrote:Hi, I am citalli, The founder of one of the allied regions to this one the Citillan alliance and I like your flag, it’s very nice, and trust me, it’s very hard managing 5 puppets.

Thankyou, I like your flags too. And it’s nice meet you.

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Thankyou, I like your flags too. And it’s nice meet you.

Thanks, those aren't the actual flags of the nations

Uncuteatoo wrote:I can't, right?

Your other nation in Osiris is in the WA, so no, you can't :)

Uncuteatoo

Citizen Heinrich again, while fascist-looking the current flag of our Technoconfederacy is but a place holder, we're quite occupied with internal matters to design a new one and our first flag was a pain to look at for hours, over.

Technokuba wrote:Citizen Heinrich again, while fascist-looking the current flag of our Technoconfederacy is but a place holder, we're quite occupied with internal matters to design a new one and our first flag was a pain to look at for hours, over.

Well it'd be ideal to get it switched over when you can.

Technocratic Founder wrote:

Well it'd be ideal to get it switched over when you can.

I assure you we will get to work on that as soon as we have time at our disposal kamerad, over.

Technocratic Founder

Greetings from Sibersk! This is a friendly reminder that the corporations of Sibersk currently are not aware of our alliance with this region, and that is expected to remain until the coming revolution. Speaking of the revolution, this is a friendly reminder that the bourgeois-democratic stage of Sibersk will soon be ending, and Menshevik ideologies will begin to be established. Just, don't tell the shareholders! They might get a bit cranky and try some capitalist scheme or a coup d'etat. And that would be unfavorable.

With best regards, the Council of Technocrats, Siberskian Government.

Technocratic Founder

Technocratic Sibersk wrote:Greetings from Sibersk! This is a friendly reminder that the corporations of Sibersk currently are not aware of our alliance with this region, and that is expected to remain until the coming revolution. Speaking of the revolution, this is a friendly reminder that the bourgeois-democratic stage of Sibersk will soon be ending, and Menshevik ideologies will begin to be established. Just, don't tell the shareholders! They might get a bit cranky and try some capitalist scheme or a coup d'etat. And that would be unfavorable.

With best regards, the Council of Technocrats, Siberskian Government.

Good luck with the technocratic revolution, my dudes :P

The 1St Manchukuo Republic wrote:Hat

Hat to you too, I suppose...

Spacerats

Technocratic Founder wrote:Hat to you too, I suppose...

Hat to all!

Technocratic Founder

Technocratic Founder wrote:Hat to you too, I suppose...

Hat three!

Cargerst wrote:Hat three!

This has got to be the strangest bout of RMB activity I've seen in a while, at least within a region which is usually normal...

Then again, I've not really been reading many RMBs lately. Too focused on this place.

If you eat carrots then you become strong and great

Technocratic Founder wrote:MAP!!!

Well, the latest regional project has gone pretty damn well, even if I do say so myself. We've got ourselves a cool map now, so check it out:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1306444

I don’t really mind where I go.

If you want a spot on it, please contact me (via telegram or by joining our discord) with a proposed location, the colour you want to be (you can even give me an exact hex code!), and the location and name of your capital city.

That's not the end of the opportunities with the map though! If you join the discord we've got a section for nations roleplay.

The 1St Manchukuo Republic wrote:

Don’t mind where I go, of what colour I am.

Re: regional poll -

Limited democracy is not democracy.

Spacerats wrote:Re: regional poll -

Limited democracy is not democracy.

Eh, if there's voting and more than one candidate there's democracy as far as I'm concerned. The usual idealistic nonsense that it presents doesn't play out anyway - all democracies are limited by citizen education and economic status.

Technocratic Founder wrote:Eh, if there's voting and more than one candidate there's democracy as far as I'm concerned. The usual idealistic nonsense that it presents doesn't play out anyway - all democracies are limited by citizen education and economic status.

I'm not holding an idealistic view of democracy, so much as pointing out that if there is any way to subvert the 'will of the people' (such as limiting the options to vote for), that path will be quickly widened until what results does not resemble democracy at all.

Not necessarily saying that's a good or bad thing, just saying it's not democracy.

The 1St Manchukuo Republic wrote:Don’t mind where I go, of what colour I am.

I’d recommend joining the Discord if you haven’t already. You’ll be able to see all the discussion relating to the map and RP.

Technocratic Founder

Spacerats wrote:I'm not holding an idealistic view of democracy, so much as pointing out that if there is any way to subvert the 'will of the people' (such as limiting the options to vote for), that path will be quickly widened until what results does not resemble democracy at all.

Not necessarily saying that's a good or bad thing, just saying it's not democracy.

As far as I am concerned the "will of the people" is a figment of idealist imagination. There's no such thing as a unified will on anything, and one thing being popular doesn't make it any better of an idea than another less popular thing. To refine options to a set of sane, rational choices prior to handing it to a populace that is not equipped to weigh everything up properly otherwise, and then have them chose... well, it's not what is traditionally presented as democratic, but there are many interpretations of the philosophy.

This isn't even the path I'd opt for myself, I much prefer a nondemocratic version of technocracy. But I think to reject the idea that you could do it would be dishonest. You can include democratic elements. Probably not a good idea, but hey.

Ceterra

Technocratic Founder wrote:As far as I am concerned the "will of the people" is a figment of idealist imagination. There's no such thing as a unified will on anything, and one thing being popular doesn't make it any better of an idea than another less popular thing. To refine options to a set of sane, rational choices prior to handing it to a populace that is not equipped to weigh everything up properly otherwise, and then have them chose... well, it's not what is traditionally presented as democratic, but there are many interpretations of the philosophy.

This isn't even the path I'd opt for myself, I much prefer a nondemocratic version of technocracy. But I think to reject the idea that you could do it would be dishonest. You can include democratic elements. Probably not a good idea, but hey.

Well that is why I put it in quotes.

Agree to disagree. Giving someone the option to choose between the options that you selected is not democracy. It might sound sort of like it, and it might even fool the populace, but it isn't democracy, in my opinion. If the person/entity who decides what the options are is not accountable to anyone, it will quickly devolve into totalitarianism.

Technocratic Founder wrote:As far as I am concerned the "will of the people" is a figment of idealist imagination. There's no such thing as a unified will on anything, and one thing being popular doesn't make it any better of an idea than another less popular thing. To refine options to a set of sane, rational choices prior to handing it to a populace that is not equipped to weigh everything up properly otherwise, and then have them chose... well, it's not what is traditionally presented as democratic, but there are many interpretations of the philosophy.

This isn't even the path I'd opt for myself, I much prefer a nondemocratic version of technocracy. But I think to reject the idea that you could do it would be dishonest. You can include democratic elements. Probably not a good idea, but hey.

As you know, out government functions in a horribly confusing yet strange, effective, and fair way

Technocratic Founder

I'm here for the cats

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder

Haha honestly most relatable thing here

Antarctic Sarnz, Technocratic Founder, Uncuteatoo

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