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Rosmana wrote:Sure, but that is not the same as a Stalinism or anarcho-communism. :)

Also, I donīt know how many people here are actually Stalinists or Ancoms. From what Iīve seen in the discord, people arenīt exactly fond of stalin, despite running autocratic states.

Rosmana

Zestria wrote:Also, I donīt know how many people here are actually Stalinists or Ancoms. From what Iīve seen in the discord, people arenīt exactly fond of stalin, despite running autocratic states.

Ah, good to know.

And in case you meant me, my flag design is based of the ancom flag, and I guess Iīm Ideologically adjacent, but Iīm a staunch believer in the necessity of a state existing.

Zestria wrote:And in case you meant me, my flag design is based of the ancom flag, and I guess Iīm Ideologically adjacent, but Iīm a staunch believer in the necessity of a state existing.

No, but good to know, and just do not ban religion, try looking up liberation theology instead or something.

Rosmana wrote:No, but good to know, and just do not ban religion, try looking up liberation theology instead or something.

Oh no, I banned religion a long time ago ...

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Oh no, I banned religion a long time ago ...

Great. 😑

Rosmana wrote:No, but good to know, and just do not ban religion, try looking up liberation theology instead or something.

Oh, no worries, while I personally am an anti-theist, I have no intention of telling my citizens what they can and canīt believe.

Rosmana

Zestria wrote:Oh, no worries, while I personally am an anti-theist, I have no intention of telling my citizens what they can and canīt believe.

I am RCC, but likewise.

I'm not a full socialist either, but I think some of the companies needs to belong to the goverment because of corruption. Total communism or total capitalism is bad.

Peimbertia

To be honest I do not know what I am now.

Rosmana wrote:To be honest I do not know what I am now.

Actually me too :P

Rosmana

But game is cool :D

Peimbertia

Microsa wrote:Actually me too :P

And my sense of patriotism is DEAD in real life.

Rosmana wrote:And my sense of patriotism is DEAD in real life.

Why?

Microsa wrote:I'm not a full socialist either, but I think some of the companies needs to belong to the goverment because of corruption. Total communism or total capitalism is bad.

Oh, yeah, irl Iīm not that dogmatic either, I mainly just want corporatism shattered and essential industries state owned so everyone can live with some dignity.

Karambo, Microsa

Rosmana wrote:And my sense of patriotism is DEAD in real life.

Youīll fit right in with our local dictator, and a handful of others, including me.

Rosmana, Karambo

Zestria wrote:Youīll fit right in with our local dictator, and a handful of others, including me.

Our ocal dictator?

Rosmana wrote:Our ocal dictator?

Josh. Have you read the constitution and/or met Josh/his proxy Technocratic Founder?

Antarctic Sarnz, Rosmana

Zestria wrote:Josh. Have you read the constitution and/or met Josh/his proxy Technocratic Founder?

Oh, yeah, is his real name Josh?

Rosmana wrote:Oh, yeah, is his real name Josh?

I assume so, itīs the name he goes by here. His main nation is the Empire of Josh, and on Discord heīs Josh, Director of the Technate.

Uncuteatoo, Rosmana, Microsa

Zestria wrote:I assume so, itīs the name he goes by here. His main nation is the Empire of Josh, and on Discord heīs Josh, Director of the Technate.

If he is Irish I will laugh so hard they will hear it on the ISS. :D

Rosmana wrote:If he is Irish I will laugh so hard they will hear it on the ISS. :D

lol

Rosmana

Rosmana wrote:If he is Irish I will laugh so hard they will hear it on the ISS. :D

Nah, heīs a brit.

Edit: Although I donīt know what kind of brit, so thereīs a small chance heīs northern irish.

Rosmana

Microsa wrote:lol

Zestria wrote:Nah, heīs a brit.

Ok, one of the characters in my book is called Josh. :)

Zestria where are you from?

Microsa wrote:Zestria where are you from?

Letīs say central to western continental europe, and leave it at that for now.

Antarctic Sarnz

Zestria wrote:Letīs say western continental europe, and leave it at that for now.

Ole. LOL

Antarctic Sarnz

Rosmana wrote:I am RCC, but likewise.

As long as they don't try to protest it seems.

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:As long as they don't try to protest it seems.

That is just IC. ;)

Rosmana wrote:That is just IC. ;)

Fair enough then.

Rosmana

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Fair enough then.

I am going to get rid of that.

Rosmana wrote:I am going to get rid of that.

Hopefully it doesn't take you too long to get the right issue. Secularism is my highest stat, so I won't be bringing back religion anytime soon. I like the little gold picture thing too much.

Microsa

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Hopefully it doesn't take you too long to get the right issue. Secularism is my highest stat, so I won't be bringing back religion anytime soon. I like the little gold picture thing too much.

Ok, but does that mean people are banned from praying?, what does it mean?

Rosmana wrote:Ok, but does that mean people are banned from praying?, what does it mean?

Yep. Any public or private displays of religious activity are banned. We have a 1984 kinda thing going, little kids turning in their parents and all that.

*Not really. I suppose it would just be public displays of religious activity, including congregations and services.

Rosmana

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Yep. Any public or private displays of religious activity are banned. We have a 1984 kinda thing going, little kids turning in their parents and all that.

Ah, well, thats just cold.

Antarctic Sarnz

Rosmana wrote:Ah, well, thats just cold.

That's fitting since our demonym is Cold Ones.

Rosmana

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:That's fitting since our demonym is Cold Ones.

Its also a pun.

Antarctic Sarnz

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Microsa wrote:Apellidor are you Turkish?

No I just enjoy their cuisine.

Apellidor wrote:No I just enjoy their cuisine.

I am Turkish. Our cuisine is good, try "biber dolması" or "lahmacun" :D Both of them are delicious

Random question. If you could create your own country and you came to education, and you only had enough funds available for one option, which would you start with:

1) Free education for all but is low quality

Or

2) Expensive but high quality education

There is no wrong answer just want to hear what you think.

Uncuteatoo

United South Africa wrote:Random question. If you could create your own country and you came to education, and you only had enough funds available for one option, which would you start with:

1) Free education for all but is low quality

Or

2) Expensive but high quality education

There is no wrong answer just want to hear what you think.

Well depends are the people of My country "rich" or "poor", beacause knowing that my decition would change, beacause if they we're "rich" i would 100% chose the second one, but if they are "poor" the low Quality would definetly be better

United South Africa wrote:Random question. If you could create your own country and you came to education, and you only had enough funds available for one option, which would you start with:

1) Free education for all but is low quality

Or

2) Expensive but high quality education

There is no wrong answer just want to hear what you think.

I would start with free, lower quality education. Access to education should be available to all, and an educated population is a requirement for a modern society.

Technocratic Founder, Uncuteatoo

Peimbertia wrote:Well depends are the people of My country "rich" or "poor", beacause knowing that my decition would change, beacause if they we're "rich" i would 100% chose the second one, but if they are "poor" the low Quality would definetly be better

You’re citizens average income would be very low in the scenario.

United South Africa wrote:You’re citizens average income would be very low in the scenario.

Then I would obviously chose the first option and as my citicens get more educated they would probably earn more money which could be used so that slowly but shurely we can make the ediņucation system better while still mantaining it as cheap as possible if not free, and also a recommendation, you should join the world assembly :)

Because if the citizens were poor I would pick the second one because assuming all people in this scenario follow my thinking, because having a few highly educated people start businesses in the country could theoretically improve people’s standard of living which in turn could allow them to afford better education for their children.

Imagine if you were the president of South Sudan when it became independent. Which option would you pick?

United South Africa wrote:Because if the citizens were poor I would pick the second one because assuming all people in this scenario follow my thinking, because having a few highly educated people start businesses in the country could theoretically improve people’s standard of living which in turn could allow them to afford better education for their children.

Imagine if you were the president of South Sudan when it became independent. Which option would you pick?

but how would they afford it un the first place

Peimbertia wrote:but how would they afford it un the first place

Remember though it would be average income. So you would have a few people who could afford.

United South Africa wrote:Because if the citizens were poor I would pick the second one because assuming all people in this scenario follow my thinking, because having a few highly educated people start businesses in the country could theoretically improve people’s standard of living which in turn could allow them to afford better education for their children.

Imagine if you were the president of South Sudan when it became independent. Which option would you pick?

I would worry that people with a worse education, or potentially none at all due to never being able to afford one, will never get a good pay (good enough for 'expensive' education). And the family would just be stuck trying to get by, generation to generation. Regardless of well educated people creating businesses.

United South Africa wrote:Remember though it would be average income. So you would have a few people who could afford.
but as you said only a few people could afford it, if you choose the low quality it helps everyone, or actually I just thought of an alternative, if you make it so that the few people with an education get some special benefits if they start a school thats free and available for other people, that way You could force the system to your advantage

Antarctic Sarnz

United South Africa wrote:Random question. If you could create your own country and you came to education, and you only had enough funds available for one option, which would you start with:

1) Free education for all but is low quality

Or

2) Expensive but high quality education

There is no wrong answer just want to hear what you think.

Free education, then I improve my economy to slowly upgrading the education system. I would choose this, so my people see this as an improvement so they dont bother me Xd

Peimbertia, United South Africa

United South Africa wrote:Random question. If you could create your own country and you came to education, and you only had enough funds available for one option, which would you start with:

1) Free education for all but is low quality

Or

2) Expensive but high quality education

There is no wrong answer just want to hear what you think.

I think I'd rather have low quality education for free. But that's mostly because it seems the most stable way to do things.

Rosmana, Peimbertia, The Great Hiatus, United South Africa

Dijkland wrote:I think I'd rather have low quality education for free. But that's mostly because it seems the most stable way to do things.

Agreed.

We do not want an system like the USA has.

Peimbertia, Microsa, United South Africa

Peimbertia wrote:but as you said only a few people could afford it, if you choose the low quality it helps everyone, or actually I just thought of an alternative, if you make it so that the few people with an education get some special benefits if they start a school thats free and available for other people, that way You could force the system to your advantage

That’s actually a awesome idea. Haven’t thought of that.

Rosmana wrote:Agreed.

We do not want an system like the USA has.

Well, the US has trash quality education too, lol

Rosmana

Technocratic Founder wrote:Well, the US has trash quality education too, lol

Which is why I do NOT want it. :)

''We DO NOT want a system like the USA has''

Rosmana wrote:Which is why I do NOT want it. :)

''We DO NOT want a system like the USA has''

Yes, but what did you agree with and what was the imagined trade off? You were given a scenario where one option was free and bad, and the other was expensive and good. But let's be real here, the US is neither of those :P

The US is expensive and bad.

Antarctic Sarnz, Uncuteatoo, Rosmana, Peimbertia, Fellwieg

Technocratic Founder wrote:Yes, but what did you agree with and what was the imagined trade off? You were given a scenario where one option was free and bad, and the other was expensive and good. But let's be real here, the US is neither of those :P

The US is expensive and bad.

Agreed, but I am just saying that I would chose free and bad over expensive and good.

Though I do not think that free AND good is impossible, you just need to raise the taxes of the truly wealthy.

And if they refuse to cooperate or threaten to move jobs they should be charged for extortion and treason.

Antarctic Sarnz, Peimbertia, The Great Hiatus

Rosmana wrote:Agreed, but I am just saying that I would chose free and bad over expensive and good.

Though I do not think that free AND good is impossible, you just need to raise the taxes of the truly wealthy.

And if they refuse to cooperate or threaten to move jobs they should be charged for extortion and treason.

Or just charge them for tax evasion, the crime they'd be committing :P

Technocratic Founder, Rosmana, Zestria

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Or just charge them for tax evasion, the crime they'd be committing :P

Everyone needs to be taxed. Tax for all! \o/

Antarctic Sarnz

Rosmana wrote:Agreed, but I am just saying that I would chose free and bad over expensive and good.

Though I do not think that free AND good is impossible, you just need to raise the taxes of the truly wealthy.

And if they refuse to cooperate or threaten to move jobs they should be charged for extortion and treason.

Yea I dont think Im gonna tax the rich!!! I prefer to tax the poor for everything, its easier for me

Technocratic Founder wrote:Everyone needs to be taxed. Tax for all! \o/

Taxes are the baseline of any functional society.

United South Africa

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:Or just charge them for tax evasion, the crime they'd be committing :P

Yes, of course, but threatening the elected government of your own country and jobs of ones own employees to keep the taxes down is inherently exstortion as well as treason.

So it should be seen and treated as such.

Antarctic Sarnz

Rosmana wrote:Yes, of course, but threatening the elected government of your own country and jobs of ones own employees to keep the taxes down is inherently exstortion as well as treason.

So it should be seen and treated as such.

So is any company allowed to set up overseas?

The Great Hiatus wrote:Yea I dont think Im gonna tax the rich!!! I prefer to tax the poor for everything, its easier for me

Pretty sure Trump is thinking the same thing, which explains his utter lack of basic morality.

Or common sense for that matter.

Uncuteatoo, The Great Hiatus

Zestria wrote:Taxes are the baseline of any functional society.

Thats right!!!! might as well take advantage of that!!

Antarctic Sarnz wrote:So is any company allowed to set up overseas?

I mean thay they threaten to shift jobs overseas if the taxes are raised.

THAT is inherently extortion as well as treason, and should be treated as such, companies not to be held accountable for their actions just as much as governments, or we will end up with a global, corporate plutocracy.

How can I raise my economy

Rosmana, The Great Hiatus

Fieldburg wrote:How can I raise my economy

What I do is absolutely give the companies every right to do anything!!! Even if my workers have to work in very bad conditions

Fieldburg wrote:How can I raise my economy

Like everything in this game, through picking the "right" answers on issues.

The Great Hiatus

Rosmana wrote:I mean thay they threaten to shift jobs overseas if the taxes are raised.

THAT is inherently extortion as well as treason, and should be treated as such, companies not to be held accountable for their actions just as much as governments, or we will end up with a global, corporate plutocracy.

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! Treason is a completely unrelated crime, dealing with military and security issues. If lets say, northrop-grumman, a US military gov't contractor moves overseas, then it is treason. However if ralphs moves anywhere else, it just hurts the economy, nothing more.

I agree with the USSR

Hurting a countryries economy is possible worse than any other kind of treason in the modern age.

OBJECTION!

Impeerium Of Man wrote:Hurting a countryries economy is possible worse than any other kind of treason in the modern age.

So do you protest the lockdown/quarantine orders?

Ussr Of Big Brother wrote:So do you protest the lockdown/quarantine orders?

Yes

Ok then. I want to just make it clear that I have no problem with you or your person, before I get into a argument.

Ussr Of Big Brother wrote:Ok then. I want to just make it clear that I have no problem with you or your person, before I get into a argument.

No worries

Great. So would that mean that you put value in the economy over human lives? If not, then I just wanted to say that if everyone dies, there is no economy to go back to, and as such this whole argument is pointless. I am quite aware that the lockdown is hurting economies, and it is bad, but that is no grounds to cause human deaths.

Socialist Imperators, Kiranistania

Ussr Of Big Brother wrote:Great. So would that mean that you put value in the economy over human lives? If not, then I just wanted to say that if everyone dies, there is no economy to go back to, and as such this whole argument is pointless. I am quite aware that the lockdown is hurting economies, and it is bad, but that is no grounds to cause human deaths.

Oh no I mistook the message I definitely don't protest the lockdown I read that wrong

Socialist Imperators

Ussr Of Big Brother wrote:Great. So would that mean that you put value in the economy over human lives? If not, then I just wanted to say that if everyone dies, there is no economy to go back to, and as such this whole argument is pointless. I am quite aware that the lockdown is hurting economies, and it is bad, but that is no grounds to cause human deaths.
You make a valid point, and I agree with it completely

If anything I think they should have taken action quicker

Kiranistania

I personally think that the countryries made a mistake when they let the highly infective virus into their countryies than decided to take action

But alas this politicians weren't very good at biology it seems

Ussr Of Big Brother wrote:WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! Treason is a completely unrelated crime, dealing with military and security issues. If lets say, northrop-grumman, a US military gov't contractor moves overseas, then it is treason. However if ralphs moves anywhere else, it just hurts the economy, nothing more.

If they threaten to cut jobs if taxes are increased, yes, that is extortion of the federal government in the name of profit, because they know that subsequent layoff will make the government look bad, meaning that the same elected officials will be held accountable for the fact that those corrupt businesses refuse to contribute to the society they benefit from, do yes, I would call that a form of treason in a moal sense.

I sign - https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1353665

Adontia

Saint Chuck wrote:I sign - https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1353665

I have indeed signed this deal with Saint Chuck

Saint Chuck

That is a beautiful new map.

Technocratic Founder, Uncuteatoo

We need a forum. LOL

Apellidor wrote:That is a beautiful new map.

Ikr! Looks pretty cool with a lot more nations on it.

For those who don't know, I updated the map with all the claims made in the last few days! Take a look here:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1306444

Uncuteatoo, Rosmana

Hello everyone, I have arrived from my lord Drew 👈🏻

Uncuteatoo

Welcome friend

The Nebula Sovereignty wrote:Hello everyone, I have arrived from my lord Drew 👈🏻

Oh god another one xd

The Nebula Sovereignty wrote:Hello everyone, I have arrived from my lord Drew 👈🏻

*Welcome

The Nebula Sovereignty wrote:Hello everyone, I have arrived from my lord Drew 👈🏻

Happy to have you here, welcome

Darn it I kinda wanted that area where Adontia is.

Technocratic Founder wrote:Ikr! Looks pretty cool with a lot more nations on it.

For those who don't know, I updated the map with all the claims made in the last few days! Take a look here:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1306444

Technocratic Founder

Technocratic Founder wrote:Ikr! Looks pretty cool with a lot more nations on it.

For those who don't know, I updated the map with all the claims made in the last few days! Take a look here:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1306444

How do we get on the map?

Uncuteatoo

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