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Stone Age wrote:What's a dialectic?

the art of investigating or discussing the truth of opinions.

Basically just a debate.

Torkon wrote:the art of investigating or discussing the truth of opinions.

Basically just a debate.

Ok!

Then I must say that I actually agree with Stalin (yes, I know it may seem weird by some, but even a bad man can have some good ideas). For the sake of the debate, let's assume we all want communism in all countries (with "communism" I here refer to the utopia the Soviet Union and other communists and socialists originally desired). What way is the best way to accomplish this?

To spread the world revolution?

No. Simply because it's not practical. Every country have their own culture, history, mentality, etc., so what worked as a solution in one country might not work in another. Just compare the Soviet communism and the early Chinese communism. At first the Chinese took the Soviet communism exactly like it was, without changing anything in the ideology. However, the thing was that in China, unlike in Tsarist Russia, there weren't as many workers. It was instead the farmers who were the majority standing lowest on the society level. Therefor it was necessary to change the theories by Karl Marx, written in a very industrialized Germany with a Western focus, so that it could apply to the Chinese situation (the Russian communists too had to change minor parts, but as they in the cities had factories of European standard it was not as radical changes as in China). The Chinese revolution also turned out different, since the Japanese invaded and thus Mao and Kai-Shek actually had to work together to some extent.

Then there's the Cuban revolution. In the beginning it wasn't outright socialist, that came in later when they recieved support from the Soviets and not the US.

And while not communist, some countries have managed to build a very socialist state with democracy. Sweden for example. They accomplished that by working together with capitalists to some extent, and by making peaceful reforms.

So there's no universal solution. Stalin was right.

Arachis Hypogaea

Hey everyone. Just got my citizenship approved:)

Red Dusk, Blitze, Arachis Hypogaea

Roeton wrote:Hey everyone. Just got my citizenship approved:)

Then join us in the IRC to have a chat with your fellow citizens!

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Spiritus/pages/irc/

Blitze, Arachis Hypogaea

Bloody hell, does every RMB post /have/ to be recruitment for the off-site forums?

The Salaxalans

The Armed Republic Of Dutch Coolness wrote:Bloody hell, does every RMB post /have/ to be recruitment for the off-site forums?

Not all of them, but a lot of them. At least until everyones on the forums and the chatroom, as it is where everything in this region is planned and takes place. And once that happens there won't be too much need for the RMB as we'll all be mostly chatting there.

The Armed Republic Of Dutch Coolness wrote:Bloody hell, does every RMB post /have/ to be recruitment for the off-site forums?

Plus, in the last 50 posts, only two have been "recruitment" for the off-site forums.

Red Dusk, Blitze

Stone Age wrote:Ok!

Then I must say that I actually agree with Stalin (yes, I know it may seem weird by some, but even a bad man can have some good ideas). For the sake of the debate, let's assume we all want communism in all countries (with "communism" I here refer to the utopia the Soviet Union and other communists and socialists originally desired). What way is the best way to accomplish this?

To spread the world revolution?

No. Simply because it's not practical. Every country have their own culture, history, mentality, etc., so what worked as a solution in one country might not work in another. Just compare the Soviet communism and the early Chinese communism. At first the Chinese took the Soviet communism exactly like it was, without changing anything in the ideology. However, the thing was that in China, unlike in Tsarist Russia, there weren't as many workers. It was instead the farmers who were the majority standing lowest on the society level. Therefor it was necessary to change the theories by Karl Marx, written in a very industrialized Germany with a Western focus, so that it could apply to the Chinese situation (the Russian communists too had to change minor parts, but as they in the cities had factories of European standard it was not as radical changes as in China). The Chinese revolution also turned out different, since the Japanese invaded and thus Mao and Kai-Shek actually had to work together to some extent.

Then there's the Cuban revolution. In the beginning it wasn't outright socialist, that came in later when they recieved support from the Soviets and not the US.

And while not communist, some countries have managed to build a very socialist state with democracy. Sweden for example. They accomplished that by working together with capitalists to some extent, and by making peaceful reforms.

So there's no universal solution. Stalin was right.

I see what you mean, but I would point out a way to circumvent those differences. For permanent revolution, one need not establish the same system in all countries, and obviously shouldn't as you pointed out. You would just need to support all socialist revolutionary organizations, even if they have different policies than ones own nation.

Also, it is a common misconception that Sweden is socialist. What they are is refereed to a social democrats, which is very different. To be socialist, a country would need to put all of the economy under democratic worker control and/or national control. Sweden, along with a few other European nations, have large welfare programs, but their economies still mostly comprise of private industry. The second there is private industry it is not socialism. Socialism is not something there can be some of.

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Torkon wrote:I see what you mean, but I would point out a way to circumvent those differences. For permanent revolution, one need not establish the same system in all countries, and obviously shouldn't as you pointed out. You would just need to support all socialist revolutionary organizations, even if they have different policies than ones own nation.

Also, it is a common misconception that Sweden is socialist. What they are is refereed to a social democrats, which is very different. To be socialist, a country would need to put all of the economy under democratic worker control and/or national control. Sweden, along with a few other European nations, have large welfare programs, but their economies still mostly comprise of private industry. The second there is private industry it is not socialism. Socialism is not something there can be some of.

Dude if I have APUSH next year with you, I cannot wait to see you and the other communist wrecked by the teacher

I like how low my taxes are in comparison to all yours. Hahahahahahaha! Money!

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:I like how low my taxes are in comparison to all yours. Hahahahahahaha! Money!

The Community of Arachis hypogaea is a large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape, compulsory vegetarianism, and enslaved workforce. The hard-working, democratic population of 90 million Arachis hypogaeans are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

The Community of Arachis hypogaea is a large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape, compulsory vegetarianism, and enslaved workforce. The hard-working, democratic population of 90 million Arachis hypogaeans are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

Sounds very fair.... :P

Arachis Hypogaea

Blitze wrote:The Community of Arachis hypogaea is a large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape, compulsory vegetarianism, and enslaved workforce. The hard-working, democratic population of 90 million Arachis hypogaeans are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

The Community of Arachis hypogaea is a large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape, compulsory vegetarianism, and enslaved workforce. The hard-working, democratic population of 90 million Arachis hypogaeans are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

Sounds very fair.... :P

It's not about being fair, it's about being rich!

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:It's not about being fair, it's about being rich!

Yeah. 'Bout That.

The Grand Dominion of Red Dusk is a massive, orderly nation, ruled by Lord Shadow with an iron fist, and notable for its compulsory military service, sprawling nuclear power plants, and ubiquitous missile silos. The compassionate, cynical population of 4.282 billion Duskians are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich. In their personal lives, however, citizens are relatively unoppressed; it remains to be seen whether this is because the government genuinely cares about its people, or if it hasn't gotten around to stamping out civil rights yet.

The government — a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, socially-minded morass — prioritizes Defense, although Environment, Law & Order, and Education are also considered important. It meets to discuss matters of state in the capital city of Red Dawn. The average income tax rate is 97.9%.

The powerhouse Duskian economy, worth 512 trillion Glimmers a year, is highly specialized and led by the Tourism industry, with major contributions from Information Technology and Arms Manufacturing. State-owned companies are reasonably common. Average income is an impressive 119,736 Glimmers, and distributed extremely evenly, with practically no difference between the richest and poorest citizens.

The Imperium of The blood ravens is a colossal, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Chapter Master Gabriel Angelos with a fair hand, and notable for its zero percent divorce rate, unlimited-speed roads, and sprawling nuclear power plants. The hard-nosed, hard-working, democratic population of 6.45 billion Imperials live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.

The medium-sized, liberal, outspoken government is primarily concerned with Defense, although Education, Law & Order, and Industry are also considered important, while Spirituality and Social Policy receive no funds. It meets to discuss matters of state in the capital city of Aurelia. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 25.2%.

The frighteningly efficient The blood ravensian economy, worth 865 trillion Credits a year, is fairly diversified and led by the Tourism industry, with major contributions from Arms Manufacturing, Information Technology, and Book Publishing. Average income is an impressive 134,165 Credits, but there is a large disparity between incomes, with the richest 10% of citizens earning 534,266 per year while the poor average 22,694, a ratio of 23.5 to 1.

:3

Blitze wrote:The Community of Arachis hypogaea is a large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape, compulsory vegetarianism, and enslaved workforce. The hard-working, democratic population of 90 million Arachis hypogaeans are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

The Community of Arachis hypogaea is a large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape, compulsory vegetarianism, and enslaved workforce. The hard-working, democratic population of 90 million Arachis hypogaeans are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

Sounds very fair.... :P

>Barren, inhospitable landscape

>Compulsory vegetarianism

Sounds like a recipe for famine to me.

Red Dusk, Blitze, Fahrenheit 451-America, Arachis Hypogaea

The Blood Ravens wrote:>Barren, inhospitable landscape

>Compulsory vegetarianism

Sounds like a recipe for famine to me.

Only for the poor people who can't afford the scarce amount of vegetables we can grow!

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:Only for the poor people who can't afford the scarce amount of vegetables we can grow!

Which are farmed by the poor people because they are slaves...

Arachis Hypogaea

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:Only for the poor people who can't afford the scarce amount of vegetables we can grow!

And who works in all your factories, and farms?

Poor people.

What happens when those factories, and farms stop producing because all the workers starved to death?

The rich lose money, and your economy ceases to exist.

The Blood Ravens wrote:And who works in all your factories, and farms?

Poor people.

What happens when those factories, and farms stop producing because all the workers starved to death?

The rich lose money, and your economy ceases to exist.

We'll import robots and poor people from other countries, thank you very much.

Poor people doesn't exist in my country. Wealth is distributed to those who are willing to earn it and help themselves.

Hundermenschen wrote:Poor people doesn't exist in my country. Wealth is distributed to those who are willing to earn it and help themselves.

Sounds like a nice place :D

Hundermenschen wrote:Poor people doesn't exist in my country. Wealth is distributed to those who are willing to earn it and help themselves.

Well good for you :)

I thought my hype for fallout 4 couldn't get any higher.

I was horribly wrong. Preordering Pipboy edition, and cryogenically freezing myself until November.

Arachis Hypogaea

And I'm just sitting here, not being excited at all.

Arachis Hypogaea

Hi.

Arachis Hypogaea

I'm excited!

Arachis Hypogaea

U-Uh.

Hey.

Arachis Hypogaea

I might break something..

Arachis Hypogaea

Project Book wrote:Hi.

hello, you new around here?

Eurotranrussialvanermany, Arachis Hypogaea

I'm new around here.

Eurotranrussialvanermany, Arachis Hypogaea

Saaperhaumn wrote:I'm new around here.

Then Welcome to Spiritus :)

Join the forums if you haven't already at www.spiritus.wtf and create an account. Once you've done that, apply for citizenship and you'll be able to join in on many things, such as the RA (our regional government) the SDF (our regional military, Staunchly Defender) or our many games, in fact, so many I can't remember them all!! >_<

And Also make sure you join the IRC channel at http://w11.zetaboards.com/Spiritus/pages/irc/

-This message brought to you by: The Ministry of Integration

Eurotranrussialvanermany, Saaperhaumn

Saaperhaumn wrote:I'm new around here.

Welcome, I am sure you will have a great time here :) join the Oligarchy

Arachis Hypogaea

Blitze wrote:Welcome, I am sure you will have a great time here :) join the Oligarchy

LIES!

Listen not to him, he is not thinking clearly.

:P

Arachis Hypogaea

Red Dusk wrote:snip

mfw

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0377/97/1422905016337.png

Arachis Hypogaea

Red Dusk wrote:LIES!

Listen not to him, he is not thinking clearly.

:P

You are not good enough to be in the Oligarchy, that is the only reason you are mad :P

Arachis Hypogaea

I'll endorse anyone who does the same for me!

Foxes

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Hundermenschen wrote:Foxes

Bears

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Bears are mean...

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Red Dusk wrote:Bears

Penguins

Eurotranrussialvanermany

The Blood Ravens wrote:Wolves

White Wolf

Witcher

yay

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Hundermenschen wrote:Bears are mean...

Youre right they steal our honey... bad bears >:(

Eurotranrussialvanermany

The Blood Ravens wrote:Wolves

The wolf is my national animal. 😸

Eurotranrussialvanermany wrote:I'll endorse anyone who does the same for me!

In that case shouldn't I already be endorsed by you?

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Eurotranrussialvanermany wrote:The wolf is my national animal. 😸

Ours is the timber wolf: 3

Hundermenschen wrote:Ours is the timber wolf: 3

Hey, join the club! Direwolf over here :D

Well our species are timber wolf anthros. You see we're not humans exactly.

Blitze wrote:hello, you new around here?

New.

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Dire wolves, yikes.

Our wolves are more like medium sized dogs. Island creatures tend to be smaller after all

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Project Book wrote:New.

Old.

Young.

Ancient.

Does it matter?

:p

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Our species are Bee Anthros

Urran wrote:Dire wolves, yikes.

Our wolves are more like medium sized dogs. Island creatures tend to be smaller after all

Not us :3

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Mine are crabs that we drove to extinction by hunting them down for gourmet food!

Eurotranrussialvanermany

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Eurotranrussialvanermany wrote:Um, I can check. I think there might be a limit on how many you can endorse :(....

I'll see what I can do to resolve it!

There isn't a limit on how many people you can endorse. Though there is a limit on how many endorsements you can have (Currently, the max is 30).

Red Dusk, Eurotranrussialvanermany

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Project Book wrote:New.

Welcome, I hope RedDusk has instructed you on what you can do

P.S. RedDusk is a evil tiger who will eat you if you get too close to him :P

HAVE FUN!!!

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Eurotranrussialvanermany wrote:Um... :/ Why?

um why what

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Eurotranrussialvanermany wrote:Why is he an evil tiger who will eat you, etc.?

Because he is....he taught himself how to type, that is why he can post and do other stuff...

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Eurotranrussialvanermany wrote:ATTENTION: Urgent question, what is this "nation challenging" thing when you look at someone else's nation? Is it a temporary event? How does it work? Can anyone help?

Yes I can, it is a game in which you challenge the other nation (It has no actual effect on either of your nations) it is just for fun to see who in a way has the better nation, and you can gain points and level up and stuff. As I said it is just a game and it will not harm you in any way

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Blitze wrote:Welcome, I hope RedDusk has instructed you on what you can do

P.S. RedDusk is a evil tiger who will eat you if you get too close to him :P

HAVE FUN!!!

He (It?) hasn't.

Project Book wrote:He (It?) hasn't.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Spiritus/pages/irc/ go here for Spiritus chat and go to www.Spiritus.wtf for the forum and to apply for citizenship, I would tell you more buy I am currently on mobile, sorry

Project Book

Eurotranrussialvanermany wrote:Well, Thanks. have the banner "Birds of a feather" by being endorsed by 6 nations at once :D

Oh, by the way, is there a way to order your banners VS. having a primary and then random? If not, I might suggest that to creators or the WA...

The WA has no authority over game mechanics.

Throw it in Technical: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=60f9615344f336ce29bfd2391b86c7a0

Dawsinian wrote:The WA has no authority over game mechanics.

Throw it in Technical: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=60f9615344f336ce29bfd2391b86c7a0

Oh sorry. I'm still a noob and I've played for, like, 8 months. XD

I'm a noob and I've played for about 4 years ;)

Eurotranrussialvanermany

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:Mine are crabs that we drove to extinction by hunting them down for gourmet food!

You don't have crabs anymore? Do you have plans tonight?

Arachis Hypogaea

I'll take that as a no. You can pick me up at 9 :)

Arachis Hypogaea

Our cows don't have horses. In fact, I don't think we have either. :(

Arachis Hypogaea

Bees

Arachis Hypogaea

Knees

Arachis Hypogaea

Bird

Arachis Hypogaea

Esperossa wrote:I'll take that as a no. You can pick me up at 9 :)

I didn't have the chance to write a respond, Mr/Ms Impatient-pants! Gosh! Time is not money, cuz I have the former and not the latter!

Plus, my leading corperations agree that they won't see me hangout with any of those 10+% tax countries. Acme says they are evil and Coke says they have... *shudder... Child labor laws! Eugh!

It's already been nine, though. Hurry up!

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:I didn't have the chance to write a respond, Mr/Ms Impatient-pants! Gosh! Time is not money, cuz I have the former and not the latter!

Plus, my leading corperations agree that they won't see me hangout with any of those 10+% tax countries. Acme says they are evil and Coke says they have... *shudder... Child labor laws! Eugh!

But I have no corporate tax. Coke & ACME love Esperossa, and you will too. Plus I saw that you gave my post a little heart, I wasn't being Miss Impatient-Pants :P

Arachis Hypogaea

Esperossa wrote:But I have no corporate tax. Coke & ACME love Esperossa, and you will too. Plus I saw that you gave my post a little heart, I wasn't being Miss Impatient-Pants :P

But what about your child labor laws? What about your immigration policies? Your position on tariffs?

How about your opinion on eating meat? How do you feel about me using cashews as a currency so I can have a good pun out of it, despite it meaning that anyone who grows the same species of cashews can make counterfeit currency? What do you think of the color combination of fuchsia with a trim and outline of pineapple yellow?

Sorry, I always ask these questions before having dinner with other countries. But I gotta know, ya know?

BEES

Arachis Hypogaea

Honey-B wrote:BEES

NOT THE BEES!

Arachis Hypogaea

Project Book wrote:He (It?) hasn't.

*Stops noming on Salaxalans' foot*

Ah... Life has a way of getting you away from this site... I managed to log into the IRC, and forgot here >_<

Welcome to Spiritus. I've seen that Blitze has shown you where to go, so I direct you to follow those links, if you haven't already.

*Returns to noming on Salaxalans' foot*

Project Book

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:But what about your child labor laws? What about your immigration policies? Your position on tariffs?

How about your opinion on eating meat? How do you feel about me using cashews as a currency so I can have a good pun out of it, despite it meaning that anyone who grows the same species of cashews can make counterfeit currency? What do you think of the color combination of fuchsia with a trim and outline of pineapple yellow?

Sorry, I always ask these questions before having dinner with other countries. But I gotta know, ya know?

All good questions but I don't think I know you well enough to reveal so much. It's probably for the best anyway. But maybe one day I will share my feelings about pineapple yellow trim on fuchsia.

Arachis Hypogaea

Esperossa wrote:All good questions but I don't think I know you well enough to reveal so much. It's probably for the best anyway. But maybe one day I will share my feelings about pineapple yellow trim on fuchsia.

B-b-but you asked me to dinner! How could you?! Oh, I'm in anguish now! Heartbroken to an extent that even money can't fix! Oh, misery!

Be thus when thou art dead, and I will kill thee,

And love thee after. One more, and this the last:

So sweet was ne’er so fatal. I must weep,

But they are cruel tears: this sorrow’s heavenly;

It strikes where it doth love!

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:B-b-but you asked me to dinner! How could you?! Oh, I'm in anguish now! Heartbroken to an extent that even money can't fix! Oh, misery!

Be thus when thou art dead, and I will kill thee,

And love thee after. One more, and this the last:

So sweet was ne’er so fatal. I must weep,

But they are cruel tears: this sorrow’s heavenly;

It strikes where it doth love!

Oh all right, I didn't know you were going to attack me with poetry. You can't put pineapple yellow trim on fuchsia, it would look garish. You need something a bit muted. You want them to compliment each other and that is better accomplished when one color is a dominant and the other a supplicant. Try a pastel yellow trim with the fuchsia if you really want to do yellow, but honestly, white or off white would look much nicer.

Arachis Hypogaea

Esperossa wrote:Oh all right, I didn't know you were going to attack me with poetry. You can't put pineapple yellow trim on fuchsia, it would look garish. You need something a bit muted. You want them to compliment each other and that is better accomplished when one color is a dominant and the other a supplicant. Try a pastel yellow trim with the fuchsia if you really want to do yellow, but honestly, white or off white would look much nicer.

Spoken like a true noble! *Swoon*

That is some fairly amusing poetry

Arachis Hypogaea wrote:Spoken like a true noble! *Swoon*

Too late [nation=short]arachis_hypogaea[/nation]. I'm with [nation=Short]Dutch Coolness[/nation] now.

The Armed Republic Of Dutch Coolness

Esperossa wrote:Too late [nation=short]arachis_hypogaea[/nation]. I'm with [nation=Short]Dutch Coolness[/nation] now.

:)

Remember Dutch, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. You ready to go?

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