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Yaldian Territories New United States 0F America

Wait so, your attacking the country who has a government friendly to you that you in fact propped up? Yaldia has massive say in the Provincial government and Zharkov will do most of the things you ask him to do. The coup is fairly right wing with the only left leaning faction being the Social Democrat Robotniki.

(Also Ozovia's geography is literal hell. Most of the country is hills, mountains, and dense forests. Not to mention that the natives have already been fighting guerrilla warfare in some areas against the Ozovians...and that the main mountain range is highly fortified.)

Ozovia wrote:Yaldian Territories New United States 0F America

Wait so, your attacking the country who has a government friendly to you that you in fact propped up? Yaldia has massive say in the Provincial government and Zharkov will do most of the things you ask him to do. The coup is fairly right wing with the only left leaning faction being the Social Democrat Robotniki.

(Also Ozovia's geography is literal hell. Most of the country is hills, mountains, and dense forests. Not to mention that the natives have already been fighting guerrilla warfare in some areas against the Ozovians...and that the main mountain range is highly fortified.)

(Reminds me on Bosnia,i mean geography)

Clarkstan

Yeah, i tried to base it off southeastern europe

Clarkstan, Ayeinc

Ozovia wrote:Clarkstan

Yeah, i tried to base it off southeastern europe

I immediately recognized XD

Ozovia, Ayeinc

Sorry about not posting for awhile, I had some real life things to take care of, but for now I'm back and active. For this roleplay I tried something a little new and I hope you guys enjoy it, thanks.

RP

Presidential Reaction To Ozovia

[spoiler]

"Mister president, I have news about a nation that wants to shed itself from its current imperial government." Says the president's personal advisor.

"Really? Well, this is certainly interesting." The president says with a thoughtful look on his face. "Perhaps a diplomatic approach would be best, what do you think Alexander?" Asks the president.

"Well, I believe we should aid them in their coup by sending supplies and troops, sir." Says Alexander seriously. "Our Republic was once under imperial control years ago and I believe we should help them gain their independence like our nation did almost fifty years ago."

"Maybe you're right, but I don't want my people going into a war that doesn't concern us." Replies the president in a calm and collected voice. "But, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to contact Ozovia's coup leaders and see if they require aid for those displaced and see what happens from there."

[/spoiler]

Clarkstan, Ozovia

Rp

[spoiler=The Senaz Welcomes Ausdonian Support]When news reached of Ausdonian aid, the Provisional Government was greatly relieved. Ozovia was a nation in turmoil, and although their self sufficiency has not created much need for economical relief, many in the Senaz have begun to worry about the nations security. With rumors of a join EUSA and Yaldian invasion, the Provisional Government would ask the The Ausdonian Republic for military supplies and vehicles in preparation for a potential conflict.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=The First Spark Of Democracy]Although the Senaz exists, being the basis of the Provisional Government, its 50 members are not proper representatives. The delegates from the various groups present at the Senaz were allowed on General Zharkov's request, and the chambers demographics do not match the nations political ones. Therefore after much debate, and silence from the foreign Yaldian Territories representatives, the Senaz made their decision. Realizing that adopting any reforms that the masses disagree with would be a massive blow to the Provisional Governments legitimacy, the delegates voted 29-50 in favor of not only holding a general election to decide the makeup of the Senaz, but to invite the far left factions and native groups into the fold of the government, hopefully avoiding any conflict with them.

In the following days, the military in partnership with both noble contractors and trade union volunteers set up polling stations and created information kiosks. Daily announcements on the process of elections were done in order to limit confusion on the system, and several mock votes would be done around the country to familiarize the people with the process.

Finally, the new look of the Senaz would be established. It would be a 141 seat legislature, with:

98 Representatives, 1 for every million Ozovian's plus the leftover,

10 Native Representatives, 2 for each native group,

32 Noble Representatives, with 2 for each major noble family,

and 1 "Speaker" who would direct the Senaz, being General Zharkov.

Bills would be able to be proposed by either: Support from any 1 noble family, Introduction by the speaker, or introduction by any political party. A mere majority vote in the Senaz would be required to pass any legislation.

And so, after a bloody coup, intense debate, and a copious amount of paperwork, the people of Ozovia experience their first taste of democracy.

And the Senaz will need more chairs[/spoiler]

United States Of Schiff

Ozovia To defend the part that is friendly to us. also to make sure it does not get invaded or for any other strike to happen

New United States 0F America wrote:Ozovia To defend the part that is friendly to us. also to make sure it does not get invaded or for any other strike to happen

well then shouldn't you ask the Provisional Governments permission for you to have a military presence? THe country is also not fractured, the army is rather friendly to the Provisional Government and most people have at least some faith in its workings. There have been no other major revolts.

RP

the Secretary of Foreign Relations has sent military vehicles and munitions immediately to aid as well as food and other supplies to help with those displaced.

Rp

The Ausdonian Republic would be thanked for the support, with the Senaz issuing the following statement:

"The people of Ozovia extend their gratitude to the Ausdonian Republic for assistance in these uncertain times. Although we hope never to use these weapons, by giving them the Ausdonians have proven themselves to be true defenders of the democratic process. It is our hope that a relationship of cooperation be formed between our two nations in the years to come"

Rp

The Provisional Government would be eager to meet with the New Camelot Of Avalonia after the governments position is stabilized and the official legislature is created.

United States Of Schiff

Ozovia wrote:Yaldian Territories New United States 0F America

Wait so, your attacking the country who has a government friendly to you that you in fact propped up? Yaldia has massive say in the Provincial government and Zharkov will do most of the things you ask him to do. The coup is fairly right wing with the only left leaning faction being the Social Democrat Robotniki.

(Also Ozovia's geography is literal hell. Most of the country is hills, mountains, and dense forests. Not to mention that the natives have already been fighting guerrilla warfare in some areas against the Ozovians...and that the main mountain range is highly fortified.)

no no i didnt mean i was attacking the right wingers, i meant i was attacking the lafitist in diffirent areas not what we control.

i wasnt attacking my allies

also the yaldians do not generally agree with letting nobles into the government, this will just restore the state the country used to be in with the nobles owning everything.

RP

The Ayeincian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has made a statement on the Ozovian Coup:

"Ayeinc at this time will express their neutrality on the Ozovian coup. We are willing to provide economic aid for non-militaristic purposes if Ozovia expresses interest. We wish the best of luck to Ozovia in keeping their nation secure and democratic."

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Officials from the Ayeincian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Treasury asks to hold a summit with President Adoric-Marrick and the leader of the Kasnovian Federal Republic shortly to draft an economic assistance treaty.

Ozovia

Yaldian Territories wrote:no no i didnt mean i was attacking the right wingers, i meant i was attacking the lafitist in diffirent areas not what we control.

i wasnt attacking my allies

also the yaldians do not generally agree with letting nobles into the government, this will just restore the state the country used to be in with the nobles owning everything.

The leftists are part of the provisional government. Any incursion into a country without its governments support is an act of war.

Ozovia wrote:The leftists are part of the provisional government. Any incursion into a country without its governments support is an act of war.

if both the right and left wingers are on our side then who isnt and who tf are we fighting against

The yaldians will not allow the formation of a socialist party

Yaldian Territories

Well......nobody. By supporting Zharkov's coup you ousted the monarchy which lead to the creation of the Provisional Government, which is currently holding democratic elections for the Senaz, the legislature that will establish the nations political system and constitution.

Ummm, your a bit too late for that. We dont have 1 socialist party....we have 5, 6 if you include the Social-Democrats.

RP - Avalonia Pledges Support

The Avalonian Government pledges to support the Ozovian government. We expect other nations to either provide support to the Provisional Government, with its permission, or withdraw its forces. The Avalonian Government, as a neighbour of Ozovia, would be interested in inviting representatives from Ozovia to the Avalonian city of Stenorholm, to meet.

Ozovia

Ozovia wrote:Yaldian Territories

Well......nobody. By supporting Zharkov's coup you ousted the monarchy which lead to the creation of the Provisional Government, which is currently holding democratic elections for the Senaz, the legislature that will establish the nations political system and constitution.

Ummm, your a bit too late for that. We dont have 1 socialist party....we have 5, 6 if you include the Social-Democrats.

rp

The yaldians Are dissapointed in the ozovians essentially betraying them in every way, they kicked them out of the government, and made a socialist party against them.

The president announces forces will retreat to the coast, but will not leave ozovia, if the socialist party is removed the yaldians will leave, but they will not allow the loss of influence in this area. If they dont remove the party, or retaliate, then the yaldians will organise there own coup to provide a democracy absent of the threat they were promised to have removed

RP

The Department of Defense sends more troops to back up Yaldian Forces.

Yaldian Territories

(No no no, i think your misjudging the situation. You gave support to the right wingers and General Zharkov. Zharkov lead the coup which overthrew the monarchy. Currently, you still have people in the Ovozian Senaz but they dont have political power. You helped establish a democracy, which was your intention. Also, the socialists are not "in control". They are given representation in the Ozovian Senaz (All 5 different groups that is).

Although Zharkov hates the socialists, his main goal was to establish a democracy in Ozovia, and he only has one vote in the Senaz. The monarchists you were talking to before are also gone because of the coup and all.

Ozovia wrote:snippio

but a major part of the coup was to eliminate the growing socialist ideals.

Yaldian Territories wrote:but a major part of the coup was to eliminate the growing socialist ideals.

Zharkov never said this. He even said that he will partner with other political groups. I have the post right here:

[spoiler=quote]"after the meeting with the Chief Diplomat, Marshall Zharkov of the Ozovian army met with the head representative of the delegation. He talked at great length of the rampant corruption in the Ozovian monarchy, the political crackdowns and governmental inefficiency. He finally revealed his intentions to the Yaldian's, he wanted to orchestrate a coup. With the aristocracies faith in the monarchy already low, and in partnership with other political groups, he believes that a coup to establish a provisional government that would reform the nation would be possible. He would ask the Yaldian's for support in the coup, primarily weapons and intelligence as well as eventual economic and technical aid. Zharkov would also be willing to have Yaldian representatives hold major influence in the actions of the future provisional government."[/spoiler]

Basically, you will have some say in the Ozovian Government after the Senaz is restructured through the election.

RP - Avalonia Reaffirms International Norms

The Avalonian Government strongly requests that nations, espescially Yaldian Territories, respect the sovereign rights of a country to hold their own democracy. If socialists have representation in Ozovia, it is for the international community to respect, not intervene. If the Yaldian Territories do not abide by the requuests of tthe Ozovian government, and withdraw their forces, it will be a severe violation of Ozovia's sovereignty. This type of violation will not give Yaldian Territories much to stand on should they want any sort of relationship with New Camelot Of Avalonia in the future. A nation that violates another's sovereignty and territorial integrity is not a nation that Avalonia, or any nation believing in international order, should work with.

United States Of Schiff

Post self-deleted by Kasnovian Federal Republic.

Ozovia wrote:Zharkov never said this. He even said that he will partner with other political groups. I have the post right here:

[spoiler=quote]"after the meeting with the Chief Diplomat, Marshall Zharkov of the Ozovian army met with the head representative of the delegation. He talked at great length of the rampant corruption in the Ozovian monarchy, the political crackdowns and governmental inefficiency. He finally revealed his intentions to the Yaldian's, he wanted to orchestrate a coup. With the aristocracies faith in the monarchy already low, and in partnership with other political groups, he believes that a coup to establish a provisional government that would reform the nation would be possible. He would ask the Yaldian's for support in the coup, primarily weapons and intelligence as well as eventual economic and technical aid. Zharkov would also be willing to have Yaldian representatives hold major influence in the actions of the future provisional government."[/spoiler]

Basically, you will have some say in the Ozovian Government after the Senaz is restructured through the election.

rp

The yaldians understand and they will allow this because theyve realised it is unlikely that socialists will actually come to power.

For now Yaldia is sending major support to ozovia,helping rebuild anything destroyed and helping build buisnessues and get ozovia running again.

They also propose a deal allowing ozovians, both military and citizens to buy weapons from leading manufacturers for 15% off

Ozovia

RP

Kasnovia's Statement

The Kasnovian President Jakov Pejić states the following of the Relations of Yaldia, NUSA and Ozovia

[spoiler]"Let it not be Kasnovian's words to change the situation, we are a small country developing from our mistakes. With Ozovia the People of Kasnovia highly recommend avoiding socialist ideals, as our country was destroyed from those ideals. Though I think this is be solved peacefully and without casualties I don't know what decisions may be made. We Kasnovians recommend a centralist state for now. But again, don't let us decide the actions of your nation. I don't think all out war is necessary but if it needs to be done it needs to be done."[/Spoiler]

Badivermeraed wrote:Speaking of the debate, we do have a question form where you can submit different questions for the debate. It does not collect your email or any information other than your nation, so feel free to submit any questions for the candidates. Here it is : https://forms.gle/RcMWcCFK2oRbyC1c8

boop

Ayeinc, Arenado

Kasnovian Federal Republic wrote:RP

Kasnovia's Statement

The Kasnovian President Jakov Pejić states the following of the Relations of Yaldia, NUSA and Ozovia

[spoiler]"Let it not be Kasnovian's words to change the situation, we are a small country developing from our mistakes. With Ozovia the People of Kasnovia highly recommend avoiding socialist ideals, as our country was destroyed from those ideals. Though I think this is be solved peacefully and without casualties I don't know what decisions may be made. We Kasnovians recommend a centralist state for now. But again, don't let us decide the actions of your nation. I don't think all out war is necessary but if it needs to be done it needs to be done."[/Spoiler]

there was a short war, but now its just transition to democracy

Ozovia

[spoiler=The Senaz Election]

Over the course of 48 hours, the people of Ozovia have effected the government more than they have in the past 50 years. Those 48 hours of voting for the Senaz elections have changed the face of Ozovian politics forever. When the voting was complete, millions took to the streets in celebration of an act so many others take for granted. General Zhukov was overwhelmed with praise, his house surrounded by celebrators and the now free Ozovian press. Zhukov, a humble man, quickly tried to lower his own importance, thanking his men in the military and the Yaldian Territories most of all for their role in Ozovia's liberation.

It was not long after the results of the vote was declared:

30 Seats to the Populists

20 Seats to the Robotniki

16 Seats to the Confederalists

10 Seats to the Unionists

10 Seats to the Anarchists

8 Seats to the Autonomists

5 Seats to the Vanguardists

In accordance with the Zharkov's agreement with Yaldia, Yaldian representatives would be called to the Senaz and with the new Senaz assembled, the creation of a new Ozovian Constitution can begin.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=First Steps On The World Stage]

With the government beginning to take hold, one of its first actions would be to accept the New Camelot Of Avalonia's offer and send three representatives to Stenorholm: Two diplomats, and Yulian Jaromir-Major Leader in the Robotniki.[/spoiler]

United States Of Schiff

Hello Everyone. If you are wondering who I am, I am the leader of Pandarctica. I just came to see the chat and introduce myself. Also, I have no wish to join the local discord. Good Day!

Ramsea, Grasswhistle, Ozovia, Ayeinc, Zentata, Arenado, United States Of Schiff

Ozovia wrote:[spoiler=The Senaz Election]

Over the course of 48 hours, the people of Ozovia have effected the government more than they have in the past 50 years. Those 48 hours of voting for the Senaz elections have changed the face of Ozovian politics forever. When the voting was complete, millions took to the streets in celebration of an act so many others take for granted. General Zhukov was overwhelmed with praise, his house surrounded by celebrators and the now free Ozovian press. Zhukov, a humble man, quickly tried to lower his own importance, thanking his men in the military and the Yaldian Territories most of all for their role in Ozovia's liberation.

It was not long after the results of the vote was declared:

40 Seats to the Populists

15 Seats to the Robotniki

15 Seats to the Confederalists

10 Seats to the Unionists

7 Seats to the Anarchists

7 Seats to the Autonomists

5 Seats to the Vanguardists

In accordance with the Zharkov's agreement with Yaldia, Yaldian representatives would be called to the Senaz and with the new Senaz assembled, the creation of a new Ozovian Constitution can begin.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=First Steps On The World Stage]

With the government beginning to take hold, one of its first actions would be to accept the New Camelot Of Avalonia's offer and send three representatives to Stenorholm: Two diplomats, and Yulian Jaromir-Major Leader in the Robotniki.[/spoiler]

RP

The yaldian government congragulate the people on there efforts to form this neww nation, and the president gives a speech

[spoiler=speech]Normally my speeches arent too long and i try to get down to the point, although im not sure this one will go that way. Not only will i talk about the great people in ozovia, but also the issues of colonisation, dacgs and other current issues. But to start i think we should honor the people who fought for democracy.

Thank you, soldiers, from both yaldia and ozovia, and our people helping in NUSA our great ally. We admire these people for standing up against The tyrannical socialists and unfair systems. And those who volonteered to do what they new was right, to create a democracy in a nation of desperate need, and for standing up against anyone who thought it wasnt our right to create that democracy. But you knew they were wrong, you knew it was right to go out and fight against people, barely concerning them, and far from home. They did this out of there hearts to help those people in ozovia, and i greatly applaud that. This has always been known as being a true yaldian, knowing that sometimes it is right to fight, nd this surely was one of those times. So thank you everybody, ozovian resistance, yaldian interventionists and american soldiers too, for helping do this so quickly ending this tyrannical monarchy. Thank you.

Now that im done with that i will get on to my next part, which is partially related. Is the lack of this spirit, in many places being patriotic isnt appreciated, and thats what us yaldians do right, we love yaldia, and we always hope yaldia will stay living, with Liberty freedom and strength in its heart. But people from other countries wont say things like that, except for some, citizens of NUSA have proved very patriotic, but many people, they may love there country, but not nearly as deeply. They may say they love there country, which is probably true, but they dont have this mindset that yaldias problems are there problems, and that to truly love your country, and love democracy, sometimes you have to support fighting for it. You cant get people to be patriotic without saying its better to be patriotic, and with patriotic people, you have no love for you country, if nobody believes in you country, nobody will fight for it nobody will root for it, then you have no country. or atleast your country has no soul. without a soul and a country the people become ignorant about the outside world, allowing terrorism and global problems. without a strong soul of a nation, the order falls apart, nobody wants to be a police officer to protect there people, to serve there country. without order like that society falls apart. You may not be able to eat patrioticnes, it may not keep you warm, doesnt give you shelter, but society lets you buy food, lets you buy shelter and a home. but for a society to live, it does need the patriotic souls to survive. otherwise nobody has anything.

Now after that i can get into some more political subjects today, the first of which is good for the yaldians. We the government are currently expanding and exploring near our colony, anc have claimed the land nearby. This also leads us to our next issue, the situation in the colonies.

im going on script now

While most is going good, towns are being established and military bases built, there is the situation in the far western colony. so far there have been no riots or protests, although there was a shooting in a police station killing 4, and it seems groups are forming, the largest United Yaldics Against Capitalism and the Socialists of Yaldia and Yaldics, (UYAC and SYY). They have carried out several small attacks, here is a list.

- suicide attack against police car in town, officer injured

- failed weapons smuggling to the SYY led to a large shooting, 7 people killed

- mayor's grandson stabbed on street, 1 innjury

- group attack against troops mobolising for ozovia near the sea, 2 killed 4 injured

- failed attempt to burn a bank down.

- failed attempt to stab police officer

This widespread violence on the west coats has led to a surge in police activity, over 30 people have been arresteb over connections with the SYY and 18 with UYAC.

so thats it for today, but yaldians all remember we live for order through strength, law through punishment.

and live with that yaldian soul.

[/spoiler]

that took a while to type

Ozovia

[spoiler=RP]

Ozovia wrote:snip

News had spread through Alangrad of a mysterious visitor from Ozovia. It appears a man who goes by the name Wojtek appeared at a the National People’s Assembly claiming to be a representative of the Vangardists in Ozovia. After talking with a few low level officials present, Wojtek was directed to meet with a detachment from the Commissariat for Foreign Intelligence. The Alaniztani delegation was headed by the head commissar of the CFI, Santiago Guerreo. He began “Comrade, Alaniztan stands in full solidarity with the Ozovian working class. We are willing to provide to provide material and logistical resources from the Comintern to aid in further struggles. The coup may have have removed the decadent monarchist regime but the continued influence of foreign imperialist powers remains concerning. A broad alliance of all anti-imperialist forces both within and outside of the provisional government may be necessary to secure true national liberation.”

Yaldian Territories wrote:snip

The President of Yaldian Territories seems to have confused anti-imperialism with bourgeois notions of pacifism remarked Chairman Marcos in response. Anti-imperialism does not imply non-intervention but rather calls for the active support of native popular movements and governments over foreign governments attempting to subvert them for their own purposes without regard for the wishes of the people. This is based on the principle that all nations have a right to sovereignty and self-determination as the people actually living in a particular country will always have a better understand what type of system suits them best compared to those who judge from outside. The Yaldian overseers present in the creation of Ozovia's new constitution are a clear violation of these principles as these "representatives" were not chosen by the Ozovian people nor will they ever have to live under the constitution they have such a hand in writing. Why should they have any say over the Ozovians who spent much of their lives fighting and suffering under the old regime?

[/Spoiler]

Ozovia

RP

Socialist terrorist attack in Jefferson.

[spoiler]At 1:21 PM mass firing was heard around the Superior Court along with bombings on the streets. Police and Tactical teams were able to end the attack however around 46 people were killed and 96 were injured. To respond to this attack all socialist political parties have been suspended the the creation of the "New United States National Office of Counter Terrorist Operations" Or simply N.O.C.T.O. has been formed to address terrorism and national security.[/spoiler]

United States Of Schiff

Alaniztan wrote:[spoiler=RP]News had spread through Alangrad of a mysterious visitor from Ozovia. It appears a man who goes by the name Wojtek appeared at a the National People’s Assembly claiming to be a representative of the Vangardists in Ozovia. After talking with a few low level officials present, Wojtek was directed to meet with a detachment from the Commissariat for Foreign Intelligence. The Alaniztani delegation was headed by the head commissar of the CFI, Santiago Guerreo. He began “Comrade, Alaniztan stands in full solidarity with the Ozovian working class. We are willing to provide to provide material and logistical resources from the Comintern to aid in further struggles. The coup may have have removed the decadent monarchist regime but the continued influence of foreign imperialist powers remains concerning. A broad alliance of all anti-imperialist forces both within and outside of the provisional government may be necessary to secure true national liberation.”

The President of Yaldian Territories seems to have confused anti-imperialism with bourgeois notions of pacifism remarked Chairman Marcos in response. Anti-imperialism does not imply non-intervention but rather calls for the active support of native popular movements and governments over foreign governments attempting to subvert them for their own purposes without regard for the wishes of the people. This is based on the principle that all nations have a right to sovereignty and self-determination as the people actually living in a particular country will always have a better understand what type of system suits them best compared to those who judge from outside. The Yaldian overseers present in the creation of Ozovia's new constitution are a clear violation of these principles as these "representatives" were not chosen by the Ozovian people nor will they ever have to live under the constitution they have such a hand in writing. Why should they have any say over the Ozovians who spent much of their lives fighting and suffering under the old regime?

[/Spoiler]

[spoiler=RP]direct quote from president.

"listen, i am not gonna let a commie tell me im violating people's rights when you dont even have elections. What happened has happened so i mean really what is your point here, oh yaldians should leave ozovia. no. whatever you think about that isnt gonna make an effect. and i dont think it would be wise to even touch ozovia. "

"or would you like reasoning for your opinion to be ignored? well first thing, if so, i wasnt saying you must be a imperialist and you must only live to love your country, i was saying a country wont get anywhere if nobody wants it to, that in no way even relates to war and pacifism, so maybe dont type your messages while your at the bar, maybe an hour later [insert fake laughing] but seriously, that wasnt even related. Okay second *yawns* so basically your saying after that, that yaldia is using ozovia for ourselves. well if you payed attention, it turns out that the democracy was what the people wanted, the right wing was majority, The ozovians welcomed us into there government, as the original intention was simply to help the people of ozovia. Yaldians have similar views to the ozovians, and it is clear they support us, also we are not affecting the creation of the cosntitution, that is all the ozovians. and that makes the next one irrelevent because we werent interfering. so there ya go commie, now go do some elections to get a smarter leade... oh yeah you dont do ellections... hrmm sounds like you shouldnt be the one accusing me of supressing freedoms." [/spoiler]

New United States 0F America wrote:RP

Socialist terrorist attack in Jefferson.

[spoiler]At 1:21 PM mass firing was heard around the Superior Court along with bombings on the streets. Police and Tactical teams were able to end the attack however around 46 people were killed and 96 were injured. To respond to this attack all socialist political parties have been suspended the the creation of the "New United States National Office of Counter Terrorist Operations" Or simply N.O.C.T.O. has been formed to address terrorism and national security.[/spoiler]

The yaldians would like to know if the attack was carried out by YSS terrorists as they are a terrorist group that is likely to attack yaldian allies

New United States 0F America

RP

Response to Terrorist attack in

New United States 0F America and Election in Ozovia.

We in Clarkstan regret the terrorist attack and the deaths of 46 people.Socialism has proven to be an unstable and dangerous ideology in the region, which confirms this case.

As for the election in Ozovia, we hope that the situation will further stabilize.Clarkstan has an interest in reducing the pressure on the border. Until the situation is fully crystallized and stable.Until then, we will continue to secure the border.

-Ministry of State

Ozovia, United States Of Schiff, The Ausdonian Republic

it's sho time

Ayeinc, Sho, Veaetmar Ii, Arenado

Badivermeraed wrote:it's sho time

I guess we moved the sho puns to the RMB!

Sho, Veaetmar Ii

RP

The president would like to send his congratulations to Ozovia on its transition to a democratic nation and requests that the Ausdonian Republic send diplomats to strengthen the bonds between our nations.

Ozovia, United States Of Schiff

RP

The leader of Zentata, Lenard Greenglas, said in a statement today that "Zentata is pleased at the transition of Ozovia to democracy and we hope that they will create a constitution that will espouse democracy and equality above all else."

Ozovia, United States Of Schiff

15 minutes can save you 15% or more on region insurance

Yaldian Territories, Wiskawga, Sho, Veaetmar Ii

ELECTION FOR PRIME MINISTER

All right ladies and gentlemen, I'm opening the two-day candidacy nomination/declaration period for the second PM election!

If you want to be declare your candidacy or nominate someone else, do it right down below!

Good luck to everyone!

Ramsea, Liruslau, Toerana Iii, Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Arenado, United States Of Schiff

I declare my candidacy for Prime Minister of Thalassia.

Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Veaetmar Ii, United States Of Schiff

As I'm currently serving in the office this election is for, and covering it with NSToday, I will not be nominating or endorsing anybody. However, I will say this. Good luck. You'll need it. It's a tough job, I don't think anyone is truly ready. But please, if you think you're willing to give it a shot, take the shot. That's what I did, and it's worked so far. All the notes for the next administration are nearly done, and I'd like to ask the next PM to please continue the tradition when it is this time again in three months.

I have another announcement, as well. I will be phasing out of NS indefinitely, with my last elected position lapsing in March. I'll be gone for a while, as I have things I need to sort out, but I've left contact information with a few trusted individuals. Good luck, and those few will know how to contact me if needed. I'm so proud of what we've done as a region, but it is time for me to sort out some stuff, and to let the new generation step in to Thalassia. Thank you for letting me serve you, and I hope I've served Thalassia well.

Wymondham, Grasswhistle, Liruslau, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Veaetmar Ii, Zentata, United States Of Schiff, Monkelandd, The Ausdonian Republic

I formally announce that I am standing for Prime Minister of Thalassia. Thank you and I hope to earn your vote on election day!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305794

Cormactopia Prime, Liruslau, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Veaetmar Ii, United States Of Schiff

New United States 0F America wrote:RP

Socialist terrorist attack in Jefferson.

[spoiler]At 1:21 PM mass firing was heard around the Superior Court along with bombings on the streets. Police and Tactical teams were able to end the attack however around 46 people were killed and 96 were injured. To respond to this attack all socialist political parties have been suspended the the creation of the "New United States National Office of Counter Terrorist Operations" Or simply N.O.C.T.O. has been formed to address terrorism and national security.[/spoiler]

The yaldians would like to know if the attack was carried out by YSS terrorists as they are a terrorist group that is likely to attack yaldian allies

Badivermeraed wrote:

snip

sads

Arenado wrote:snippity

Good luck, also i like ur logo thng, much good

Badivermeraed, Arenado

Thank you, Yaldia! :]

[RP][/B]

Responses by President Acosta to Ozovia and the terror attack in New United States 0F America

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305820

Ozovia, Toerana Iii

Alaniztan

[spoiler=Security Worries]The representative would be pleased with Alaniztan's willingness to support the Ozovian's and would begin to speak about specifics.

"Comrades, Ozovia is in a shaky position. The populace is largely supportive of the left wing, however the main power of the government is held by the nobility. The aristocrats hold nearly as much seats as necessary for 40 million Ozovians, and thats not including the Yaldians. It is our fear that as the republic begins to adopt left wing policies; reactionary forces, both domestic and foreign, will seek its destruction. That is why we must ask for your support if you would be generous enough to give it. Ozovia lacks any official clandestine organization, so your help in finding information on potential takeovers or of foreign support would go far in securing the republics continuance."[/spoiler]

Yaldian Territories

[spoiler=Yaldian's Introduced Into The Government]General Zharkov has kept his promise. With the new Provisional Government officially created, the Yaldians would be given 10 temporary seats in the Senaz that would last until the constitution was established. The Yaldian's would also be able to introduce legislation, making them on par with the rest of the Senaz's political organizations.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Leftists protest Senaz makeup]The various left-wing groups in the Senaz have denounced its current makeup, stating that the nobility nor foreign powers should have as much power as they do. They argue that the current Senaz does not accurately represent the outlook of the Ozovian people and call for the nobility and Yaldian's to be removed completely from the Senaz.[/spoiler]

Alaniztan, Yaldian Territories, United States Of Schiff

Ozovia wrote:Alaniztan

[spoiler=Security Worries]The representative would be pleased with Alaniztan's willingness to support the Ozovian's and would begin to speak about specifics.

"Comrades, Ozovia is in a shaky position. The populace is largely supportive of the left wing, however the main power of the government is held by the nobility. The aristocrats hold nearly as much seats as necessary for 40 million Ozovians, and thats not including the Yaldians. It is our fear that as the republic begins to adopt left wing policies; reactionary forces, both domestic and foreign, will seek its destruction. That is why we must ask for your support if you would be generous enough to give it. Ozovia lacks any official clandestine organization, so your help in finding information on potential takeovers or of foreign support would go far in securing the republics continuance."[/spoiler]

Yaldian Territories

[spoiler=Yaldian's Introduced Into The Government]General Zharkov has kept his promise. With the new Provisional Government officially created, the Yaldians would be given 10 temporary seats in the Senaz that would last until the constitution was established. The Yaldian's would also be able to introduce legislation, making them on par with the rest of the Senaz's political organizations.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Leftists protest Senaz makeup]The various left-wing groups in the Senaz have denounced its current makeup, stating that the nobility nor foreign powers should have as much power as they do. They argue that the current Senaz does not accurately represent the outlook of the Ozovian people and call for the nobility and Yaldian's to be removed completely from the Senaz.[/spoiler]

RP

The president warns them thatalaniztan having presence in ozovia, may led to support of the left wing groups, which could cause instability to rise again. The Yaldians are continueing to send ecenomical support, and trying to connect ozovians to the internet and outside world.

Ozovia

I'd just like to announce my candidacy for Prime Minister. Hope to see you get out there and vote ;)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305841

Feel free to ask me any questionsw

and I'm sorry for the bad looking banner

Wiskawga, Veaetmar Ii, United States Of Schiff

Wiskawga wrote:I declare my candidacy for Prime Minister of Thalassia.

I officially endorse Wiskawga for Prime Minister of Thalassia. Wisk is a strong leader with great ideas and a mindset that will prevail even in the most difficult times. He and his campaign have my full support.

Toerana Iii, Wiskawga, Veaetmar Ii, United States Of Schiff

Toerana Iii wrote:candidacy announcement

I fully support this, and officially endorse Toerana. In my opinion, Toe is a well-balanced individual with experience in many regions and government sectors, and he has my full backing. We worked well together in Culture, and I know he’d be a great fit for the office of PM.

Toerana Iii, Veaetmar Ii, United States Of Schiff

Toerana Iii wrote:I'd just like to announce my candidacy for Prime Minister. Hope to see you get out there and vote ;)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305841

Feel free to ask me any questionsw

and I'm sorry for the bad looking banner

I'm not endorsing anyone but I just wanted to know how you think your presence as FA minister will affect Thalassia's FA seeing as, you know, your banned from lazarus for leaking classified information?

Toerana Iii, Ayeinc

Three candidates, are there any more?

Toerana Iii

Wymondham wrote:I'm not endorsing anyone but I just wanted to know how you think your presence as FA minister will affect Thalassia's FA seeing as, you know, your banned from lazarus for leaking classified information?

As I am aware of some disdain that I remained in my position for so long after the opening of the trial from multiple members of wider GP, I can see people disliking the fact, if I am elected, I am Prime Minister. However, FA isn't my favourite spot, or my most able spot, so I will likely be taking a more hands off approach on foreign affairs, leaving a lot to my Minister to have quite a bit of independence. As for the leaking of information, I'm aware I didn't exactly a smart move in leaking classified information, but Thalassia is not a place I wonder even consider leaking from, I would have nothing to gain and lots to loose. I had nothing to loose in Laz and all to gain. Paired with that, I sincerely value Thalassia and would hate to anger it's citizens. Although, being honest, you're just going to have to trust my word. I have things I can cite from other games, but they aren't appropriate for here. I make my moves to protect those people and regions I value, Thalassia is one. To leak from Thalassia is to betray my core beliefs.

I hope any position I may hold does not effect Thalassia, I hold no hard feelings towards Lazarus. I broke their law and the court punished me accordingly. If they wish to cut or harm ties with Thalassia over me, then, I personally say, "So What?" I do not believe anyone would be interested in cutting ties with Thalassia over me, I am very confident that Lazarus simply does not care about me given some conversations in other regions that I cannot share. If this didn't answer your question, I apologise and feel free to point out what you weren't happy with.

Transparency is the most important part in an election.

Liruslau

Toerana Iii wrote:snip

Toerana, there is straight away a problem. Under the treaty of the sun, the treaty between Lazarus and Osiris, you are banned from Osiris as well as Lazarus for 2 years. How do you then intend to negotiate with Thalassia's only treatied ally when your banned from their region?

Toerana Iii

Wymondham wrote:Toerana, there is straight away a problem. Under the treaty of the sun, the treaty between Lazarus and Osiris, you are banned from Osiris as well as Lazarus for 2 years. How do you then intend to negotiate with Thalassia's only treatied ally when your banned from their region?

While that's awkward, if I am elected then that'd have to be a conversation that myself and my cabinet would have to have as to how we'd work in that situation, but it would likely involve discussion either via my Minister of Foreign Affairs, their Deputy, or closed door discussion directly with the relevant party/parties in Osiris, yourself as an example, as to how we negotiate that situation. However, that is not a reason to close and end relations with Osiris, I feel the treaty is an important part of our relations, and an important part of Thalassian Foreign Affairs, and any end in relations would not come from myself or the Cabinet, and I would hope that if Osiris does choose to withdraw from the treaty over me, it would be after discussion between myself, my MoFA and the relevant Osirian parties. I would feel very guilty, but It would be a tricky situation that it is more than likely I am not able to completely answer now.

Oh yay elections! Fun times. Welp time to go back to sleep!

Toerana Iii

Lower Lukatonia wrote:Oh yay elections! Fun times. Welp time to go back to sleep!

You should run one day :P

Just to be safe, I announce loyalty to Rockiberg. Nothing bad happened when they were in charge. What could possibly happen....

Toerana Iii

Toerana Iii wrote:You should run one day :P

Lol. Never! After Pacifica I decided I would just dedicate myself to one region.

Toerana Iii

Pandarctica wrote:Just to be safe, I announce loyalty to Rockiberg. Nothing bad happened when they were in charge. What could possibly happen....

Rocki's President, he isn't going. He is eternal. This is the election for Prime Minister, Badivermeraed's current job. If you want to know more, our constitution can be found on the WFE.

Nothing bad happened while I'm in charge, either, hehehe closes door with screaming Ministers ;)

Lower Lukatonia, Toerana Iii, Yaldian Territories, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Sho, Ciara, Veaetmar Ii, Zentata, United States Of Schiff

We have three very talented candidates for the Prime Minister election already and I am excited for the upcoming campaign.

However, (in the interests of transparency) I will be supporting Wiskawga in this election. I have worked with Wisk in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and seen how effective he can be. He has become an excellent Minister (and bartender...) and a credit to our region. In difficult circumstances he has always shown his class and commitment to the region and I think he is best placed to lead our government at this moment in time.

Th Empire Of Wymondham, Ramsea, Grasswhistle, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Zentata, United States Of Schiff

Oooo elections. Time to subvert them in the name of doggos nods

Toerana Iii

Yaldian Territories wrote:[spoiler=RP]direct quote from president.

"listen, i am not gonna let a commie tell me im violating people's rights when you dont even have elections. What happened has happened so i mean really what is your point here, oh yaldians should leave ozovia. no. whatever you think about that isnt gonna make an effect. and i dont think it would be wise to even touch ozovia. "

"or would you like reasoning for your opinion to be ignored? well first thing, if so, i wasnt saying you must be a imperialist and you must only live to love your country, i was saying a country wont get anywhere if nobody wants it to, that in no way even relates to war and pacifism, so maybe dont type your messages while your at the bar, maybe an hour later [insert fake laughing] but seriously, that wasnt even related. Okay second *yawns* so basically your saying after that, that yaldia is using ozovia for ourselves. well if you payed attention, it turns out that the democracy was what the people wanted, the right wing was majority, The ozovians welcomed us into there government, as the original intention was simply to help the people of ozovia. Yaldians have similar views to the ozovians, and it is clear they support us, also we are not affecting the creation of the cosntitution, that is all the ozovians. and that makes the next one irrelevent because we werent interfering. so there ya go commie, now go do some elections to get a smarter leade... oh yeah you dont do ellections... hrmm sounds like you shouldnt be the one accusing me of supressing freedoms." [/spoiler]

OOC: Yaldian Territories Just so we are clear I was responding to the earlier post where you tagged me not the speech your president just made

RP

[spoiler=Statement from the People's Ministry of Foreign Affairs]

Alaniztan will not stand for the slander of it's political system which was established after generations of struggle by the masses and in fact does involve democratic elections which allow the Alaniztani working classes voice their interests and establish a government truly by and for the people. The Yaldians claim to fight democracy yet it seems the only democracy they seem capable of establishing is "democracy" under the Yaldian boot. Alaniztan will always stand by democracy established by and for the Ozovians. And if Yaldia truly believed that the people of Ozovia were on their side they would have felt no need to send in their troops in an attempt to squash the popular movements calling for socialism but here we are with Yaldia confusing the leadership of a military coup with the will of the people. There is no such thing as a liberator of the people, the people must liberate themselves!

[/spoiler]

Ozovia wrote:Alaniztan

[spoiler=Security Worries]The representative would be pleased with Alaniztan's willingness to support the Ozovian's and would begin to speak about specifics.

"Comrades, Ozovia is in a shaky position. The populace is largely supportive of the left wing, however the main power of the government is held by the nobility. The aristocrats hold nearly as much seats as necessary for 40 million Ozovians, and thats not including the Yaldians. It is our fear that as the republic begins to adopt left wing policies; reactionary forces, both domestic and foreign, will seek its destruction. That is why we must ask for your support if you would be generous enough to give it. Ozovia lacks any official clandestine organization, so your help in finding information on potential takeovers or of foreign support would go far in securing the republics continuance."[/spoiler]

[spoiler=response]"We are more than willing to provide advisors and political training in Alaniztan for Vanguardist party cadres, we are also open to establishing a line of communication with the Vanguardists in Ozovia through which we can share any intelligence we have concerning covert actions by local reactionaries and foreign imperialists in Ozovia. Should a foreign power attempt to subvert the republic rest assured, comrade, that you can count on Alaniztan's full support in defense of Ozovia's irrevocable right to sovereignty over it's own affairs" [/spoiler]

OFFICIAL STANCE CONCERNING OZOVIA FROM THE PEOPLE'S MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

The People's Republic of Alaniztan will not recognize any constitution produced by the Ozovian Senaz as legitimate so long as unelected nobles and Yaldian officials remain involved in the constitutional assembly. We call on the immediate withdrawal of both Yaldian and NUSA Military forces from Ozovia and new elections monitored by the international community to insure the non-interference of both autocratic elites and Yaldia in the construction of Ozovia's new democracy.

New Camelot Of Avalonia, Ozovia, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc

Toerana Iii wrote:Rocki's President, he isn't going. He is eternal. This is the election for Prime Minister, Badivermeraed's current job. If you want to know more, our constitution can be found on the WFE.

Oh, Okay. I am still New to this Thalassia thing. Thanks for the correction!

Ramsea, Toerana Iii

Pandarctica wrote:Oh, Okay. I am still New to this Thalassia thing. Thanks for the correction!

No worries, happy to help.

Pandarctica

RP - Avalonia Seeks to Promote Democratic Socialism

In Avalonia, we have the Freedom System. It is a form of economics in which our taxes pay for all goods and services to be provided for free. It has been refined since 1672 to create the modern super-structure that is Avalonian economic planning. Incorporating manufacturing unions and industrial democracy, the system is so ingrained in Avalonia that Avalonia is sometimes even referred to as the Commonwealth Freedom. But this identity as a socialist nation forms the dual identity of Avalonia with democracy. The first Parliament was founded in 1275, and became the highest acting body of state, surpassing the Royal House, in 1735, when King Frederik renounced the monarch's absolute power. Since then, Avalonia has become one of the largest and most democratic nation in the world. Both ideas - democracy and the freedom - are ingrained in the Avalonian identity, and it is unthinkable for many Avalonians for things to be any other way.

But on the international stage, Avalonia struggles to have a full understanding of how some socialist nations justiify their actions. Avalonia believes that any socialist nation is not truly socialist until it has democratized governmental power. We in Köbarnhavn believe all nations should engage in democracy and a freedom-like socialism. But we are clear with the order - Democracy must take a priority in any society, socialist or not. This is why we would like to gauge interest in a League of the Democratic Left . This league would be where democratic nations practicing socialism or a state system on the left-end of capitalism, like the welfare state, would come together to promote democracy, human rights, and social policies for equality.

We encourage any democratic leftist nation to join with us in creating this league. New Camelot of Avalonia offers the beautiful city of Stenorholm, a self-declared Human Rights City, as the host city for the league's headquarters and operations.

Alaniztan, Ozovia, Zentata

Alaniztan wrote:OOC: snip

RP

we will not exit the country becaus some commie tells us to. Honestly i couldnt care less that you arent going to recognize the constitution, that matters in absolutely zero ways to me and yaldia. - president (in a bit of an annoyed mood)

Clarkstan

Hey all! Finished my campaign dispatch. Big thanks to Ayeinc for making the banner!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305900

If you have any questions whatsoever, feel free to ask! I'm up for them.

Grasswhistle, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Veaetmar Ii, United States Of Schiff

What are the other candidates response to the judicial system proposition wisk has made? ArenadoToerana Iii

And could Wiskawga explain how this court system works? Ex. Who appoints justices, what do they handle, why are they needed, can they block amendments etc

Grasswhistle, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Wiskawga

[spoiler=Quote from Arenado]

Arenado wrote:I formally announce that I am standing for Prime Minister of Thalassia. Thank you and I hope to earn your vote on election day!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305794

[/spoiler]

Hey all! Just wanted to take a moment to formally endorse Arenado for Prime Minister of Thalassia.

I think Arenado has both some great ideas as well as possessing the right temperament and good judgment needed to be a great leader for the region. He's also the only candidate to even mention recruitment in his campaign dispatch, and I think it's important to have a Prime Minister who understands the vital role recruitment plays in sustaining an active and healthy region.

I don't want to disparage the other candidates, but I'll be blunt: I believe the situation with Toerana Iii's behavior in Lazarus and its potential impact on our foreign affairs should he be elected to be disqualifying at this point. Maybe after more time has passed. I think Wiskawga has some decent ideas and has shown dedication, but I am as I was at the time of the last Presidential and Prime Minister elections vehemently opposed to a judicial system. They don't work well in NationStates and they lead to bad outcomes in which needed consequences are delayed or never even happen because of poorly functioning judicial systems. So I can't in good conscience support a candidate who advocates for a judicial system.

In summary, I think Arenado is the right person for the job at this time, and I hope you'll all take a look at his campaign dispatch and consider voting for him when voting begins. Thanks for your time!

Ramsea, Wymondham, Toerana Iii, Yaldian Territories, Badivermeraed, Arenado

[spoiler=(Covert) Alaniztan Sponsors Vanguardists]After making contact with their comrades in Alaniztan, the Alaniztani government has begun covert operations in Ozovia, working closely with the Vanguardists and other leftists factions in an attempt to hunt down any potential moles in the left wing and gather Intel on reactionary forces.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=The Ozovian Reformation Convention] With the Senaz gathered and the country mostly stabilized, progress to create the new Ozovian nation has begun. After some minor debate, the decision was reached to first decide the economy of the nation, hammering out Ozovia's most contested issue. After several days of intensive drafting of various plans, and even more days discussing them, it has come down to the following plan:

Excerpt From the "Fair Economic Plan"

In order to maintain freedom and stability, as well as to ensure the prosperity of the nation, the Convention views the following stipulations as necessary for the foundation of any free society.

I.Private Property: The rights of citizens to won and profit from private property shall be maintained and expanded.

II. New Opportunities: Although the property of the upper classes is under their rightful control, it is recognized by the Convention that some of the aristocracies holdings were acquired through immoral, and forceful means. Therefore, ownership of aristocratic businesses equaling 35% of their total profits shall be transferred to local, private owners deemed capable. This will open up new opportunities for the citizenry and ensure a freer market that will bring prosperity to all of Ozovia.

Named the "Fair Economic Plan", it affirms Ozovia as a free market system, lays out the government's rights and restrictions on taxation, defends individual's rights to private property, and weakens the aristocracies hold on the economy. Although passing by a considerable majority in the Senaz with:

82 For And 59 Against

However, if dissected by the political party an interesting revelation unfolds:

82 For

Populists: 27

Robotniki: 15

Aristocracy: 32

Natives: 8

Zharkov: 1

59 Against

Confederalists: 16

Unionists: 10

Anarchists: 10

Autonomists: 8

Vanguardists: 5

Robotniki: 5

Natives: 2

Populists: 3

Not only was the vote carried by the nobility, but the Zharkov chosen native representatives (natives were not included in the general election...being given 2 representatives per ethnicity instead) seemed to vote mostly for the proposal, even though native regions are impacted significantly more by aristocratic landholdings.

The Yaldian representatives have also not voted, although their vote would do little either way.

Following the vote, every single left-wing faction including the 5 Robotniki representatives withdrew from the Senaz, issuing the following statement:

"It is to our belief that the Ozovian Senaz and in turn the Provisional Government, do not accurately represent the will of the Ozovian people. We declare the Senaz to be an undemocratic institution and therefore have no wish to remain included in its decisions.

The reception to the vote was also rather lukewarm from the general populace, with a great many Ozovians confused about the direction of the results.[/spoiler]

Alaniztan, United States Of Schiff

RP

The founding of the "United Organization of Thalassian Safety "U.O.T.S."

[spoiler]The NUSA and the Yaldian Terrorists have formed U.O.T.S. In order to Unite Thalassian states. Through this Organization peace and prosperity will hopefully be accomplished. More is detailed in the telegram https://www.nationstates.net/nation=new_united_states_0f_america/detail=factbook/id=1305906[/spoiler]

RP

The Kasnovians are interested in the UOTS. The KFR would love to be involved with the UOTS.

Badivermeraed wrote:And could Wiskawga   explain how this court system works? Ex. Who appoints justices, what do they handle, why are they needed, can they block amendments etc

Now before I say any of this, I'd just like to go ahead and say that this is still an early version of the proposal, there's probably more that needs to be added and/or discarded, and this is all subject to change. I'd love feedback from anyone and everyone. And to what Cormactopia Prime said: if the citizens of Thalassia don't want a judicial system, then we won't have a judicial system. Though it's a point of my campaign, I am certainly willing to discard it if the people want me to. This campaign is about hearing their voices, listening to their opinions, and respecting their decisions.

Regarding who appoints justices:

[spoiler]The Supreme Court will consist of three judges (justices).

Justices will be nominated by the President and/or the Prime Minister, and will be confirmed by a regional vote. Should the President and the Prime Minister nominate a different person for a seat, one of the two nominees will be selected for the seat by a regional vote.

Justices cannot be serving as President, Vice President, Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, a Minister or a Deputy Minister at the same time that they serve as a justice, but may be an employee of a ministry or ministries. Should someone who is ineligible be nominated for a seat, and should they be confirmed by vote, they must resign the position that makes them ineligible for the seat to become justice.

Justices may only leave office by resignation or removal from office. Removal from office can mean:

1. Removal by a regional vote

2. Automatic removal, which is Ceasing To Exist, or being ejected or banned from Thalassia.[/spoiler]

Regarding what they handle and why they're needed:

[spoiler]Should a dispute over the interpretation of a law arise, the dispute can be taken to the Supreme Court. The justices will then listen to all sides of the dispute and come to a decision on how the law should be interpreted.

This next part is a bit broader, and modifies how regional bans will work.

Unless it is for a serious offense, OOC or NS-wise, a regional ban may be appealed to the President, the Founder or the Supreme Court. Should an appeal fail to work with one of these the appeal may go to another of them. Should the appeal fail to pass all three of these, the appealing party will only be able to appeal after a certain amount of time that will be decided by the Supreme Court (if it was the President, Prime Minister or Minister of Security who banned the appealing party) or by the Founder (if it was the Founder who banned the appealing party). The period between eligibility for an appeal will be no longer than one year.

All appeals made to the Supreme Court should be decided with consultation from (at least) the President, Vice President, Prime Minister, Minister of Security, and the Founder, even though the Supreme Court will ultimately have the say in this case no matter what.

The appealing party may appoint any WA resident of Thalassia that has been in the region since before said ban took place to assist their defense as an attorney, or may choose to only represent themselves. Those asked to be attorneys will choose whether or not they will serve as the appealing party's attorney.

The location of trials would likely be on Thalassia's RMB, but that may be found disruptive to regular conversation or RP.

Also, with these additions, perjury would become a regional offense.[/spoiler]

And no, at the moment I don't intend for justices to be able to block amendments. But that's just me.

It's all a bit rough, but it's a start. I advocate a judicial system with the hopes of, as I said, settling legal disputes and preventing unjust actions against any resident.

Grasswhistle, Ayeinc, Veaetmar Ii

RP

The NUSA and the UOTS accepts Kasnovian Federal Republic request to join the UOTS.

Ashurg would like to be a candidate for prime minister.

Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Veaetmar Ii, Zentata, United States Of Schiff

Alright! Ashurg is a candidate for PM!

Hello, everyone, how are you all doing today?

Arenado wrote:Hello, everyone, how are you all doing today?

Doing well, my friend. Just watching the election go by and taking notes! So far we have four candidates, and I'm guessing there might be one more.

Zentata, Arenado

Right, I've so far noted the candidacies of Wiskawga, Arenado, Toerana Iii, and Ashurg.

There's still a day and a half to nominate someone/declare your candidacy, so take your time ;)

Ramsea, Wymondham, Grasswhistle, Toerana Iii, Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Veaetmar Ii, United States Of Schiff, Pandarctica

New United States 0F America wrote:RP

The NUSA invites Alaniztan Clarkstan Wiskawga The Ausdonian Republic Ozovia to the UOTS.

Ozovia would agree to join as a temporary member.

RP

We are pleased to announce the creation of the League of the Democratic Left. This is for peace-oriented, democratic nations that are either socialist or are capitalist and committed to social equity/equality. We encourage all nations qualifying to join. This is a peaceful organization for exchange and cooperation in the interest of Democracy, Human Rights, and Equality.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305947

Zentata, United States Of Schiff

Welcome Jouhaux!

See here for some information on starting out here!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1260744

And don't hesitate to telegram me any questions, or contact anyone - they're all eager to help!

Wymondham, Ayeinc

I am happy to announce my policy positions! If anyone has any questions feel free to get in touch with me. Thank you and I hope you all have a nice day!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305979

Wymondham, Toerana Iii, United States Of Schiff

Hey folks! Just a reminder that there is a form for PM debate questions, so feel free to fill it out! It does not collect your email. And, if you fill it out, there's a very good chance it'll be in the debate!

Here it is: https://forms.gle/RcMWcCFK2oRbyC1c8

Wymondham, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Arenado

RP

New Camelot Of Avalonia wrote:RP - Avalonia Seeks to Promote Democratic Socialism

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[Spoiler=Request to Join] As a fellow socialist nation, Alaniztan would like to seek closer ties to New Camelot Of Avalonia. The Alaniztani working class has long been inspired by the achievements of Avalonia in it's own struggles for freedom and liberation. However, where Avalonian working class has been met with favorable material conditions in which the ruling class gradually phased itself out of power peacefully over the course of centuries, in Alaniztan the working class has had to fight for it's freedom against a ruling class which long exploited the worker and held on to it's power ruthlessly. Where Avalonian socialism has developed over the course of centuries, the revolution in Alaniztan has only held power for little more than two decades. Alaniztani socialism is still in it's developing stages and remains besieged by counterrevolutionary forces both at home and abroad who long for the return of the tyranny of the bourgeoisie.

Although Alaniztan prides it's self being a proletarian democracy, we make no pretense of being a "pure" democracy, bourgeois counterrevolutionary forces will not be met by democracy should they attempt their return to power, they will be met by a rifle in the hand of the worker. For us a healthy democracy must rest on system that materially provides for the people, and although the right to vote is important to us too, it will always be second to the rights to food, to water, to shelter, to education and to healthcare. As without these, no human being can live a fulfilling life and much less grow old enough to make an educated vote. Those who clamor for the return of days before the revolution where these basic material rights were a privilege of the exploiting minority are not welcomed to participate in our nascent democratic system as they attack it's very roots.

Alaniztan strives for the same values as our Avalonian comrades have achieved but recognize that until our productive forces have been developed and counterrevolution is no longer a threat we won't be able to implement these values to their full extent. If Avalonia can accept this, we will be more than willing to join the League of Democratic Left, as we seen see cooperation between socialist states in their development as an important step towards accelerating the march towards socialism and democracy both in Alaniztan and around the world[/Spoiler]

New United States 0F America wrote:RP

The NUSA invites Alaniztan Clarkstan Wiskawga The Ausdonian Republic Ozovia to the UOTS.

Although applauding the push towards an organized international body to establish international law and promote peace, Alaniztan is concerned about it's structure. The main council should hold members from each of the major power blocks so that it doesn't merely become a mechanism of rubber stamping the politics of a small group of similar nations onto the international community. Only on the condition that Alaniztan is granted a seat on the main council and that the UOTS isn't stacked towards favoring one alliance would we be open to joining.

Ozovia

Alaniztan wrote:RP

[Spoiler=Request to Join] As a fellow socialist nation, Alaniztan would like to seek closer ties to New Camelot Of Avalonia. The Alaniztani working class has long been inspired by the achievements of Avalonia in it's own struggles for freedom and liberation. However, where Avalonian working class has been met with favorable material conditions in which the ruling class gradually phased itself out of power peacefully over the course of centuries, in Alaniztan the working class has had to fight for it's freedom against a ruling class which long exploited the worker and held on to it's power ruthlessly. Where Avalonian socialism has developed over the course of centuries, the revolution in Alaniztan has only held power for little more than two decades. Alaniztani socialism is still in it's developing stages and remains besieged by counterrevolutionary forces both at home and abroad who long for the return of the tyranny of the bourgeoisie.

Although Alaniztan prides it's self being a proletarian democracy, we make no pretense of being a "pure" democracy, bourgeois counterrevolutionary forces will not be met by democracy should they attempt their return to power, they will be met by a rifle in the hand of the worker. For us a healthy democracy must rest on system that materially provides for the people, and although the right to vote is important to us too, it will always be second to the rights to food, to water, to shelter, to education and to healthcare. As without these, no human being can live a fulfilling life and much less grow old enough to make an educated vote. Those who clamor for the return of days before the revolution where these basic material rights were a privilege of the exploiting minority are not welcomed to participate in our nascent democratic system as they attack it's very roots.

Alaniztan strives for the same values as our Avalonian comrades have achieved but recognize that until our productive forces have been developed and counterrevolution is no longer a threat we won't be able to implement these values to their full extent. If Avalonia can accept this, we will be more than willing to join the League of Democratic Left, as we seen see cooperation between socialist states in their development as an important step towards accelerating the march towards socialism and democracy both in Alaniztan and around the world[/Spoiler]

Although applauding the push towards an organized international body to establish international law and promote peace, Alaniztan is concerned about it's structure. The main council should hold members from each of the major power blocks so that it doesn't merely become a mechanism of rubber stamping the politics of a small group of similar nations onto the international community. Only on the condition that Alaniztan is granted a seat on the main council and that the UOTS isn't stacked towards favoring one alliance would we be open to joining.

RP

The request is high no doubt about it, though we would love to have diversity in the MC we want to know who exactly we are having on the MC. Could temporary council be okay?

Just wanted to say, as apparently some people thought otherwise. Likes on RMB posts ≠ any form of endorsement/preference. I'm neutral and am just liking announcements and candidacy declarations and endorsements resulted to the election

Grasswhistle, Liruslau, Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Zentata, Arenado

[spoiler=Arenado 2020]https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305794[/spoiler]

Hey y'all

I just wanted to announce my endorsement of Arenado's candidacy for Prime Minister. His plan is simple and to the point, something I really like. As mentioned by Cormactopia Prime, he's the only candidate that has mentioned recruitment, which is, in my opinion, the biggest problem that Thalassia will face in 2020. He's also reform minded, just like me, so I would be glad to work with him to make Thalassia even better. He's shown nothing but good work and initiative during his tenure as Deputy Minister of Information, and I believe he will continue doing so as Prime Minister.

In regards to the other candidates, I'll echo Cormac's words - Toerana Iii's situation and the impact it would most likely have on our international relations and our image in general disqualifies him from the get-go in my opinion. Definitely when it's still so fresh. As to Wiskawga's program, I too have to point out that I'm vehemently opposed to any kind of judicial system. Our current system works, and has been working for a long time, so I don't see the reason for change, especially when you take into account the horrifyingly poor performance of judicial systems in other regions. And Ashurg, no offense, but I'd want at least a speck of civil service from someone before having them as PM.

Long story short, go Arenado, heh.

Cormactopia Prime, Wymondham, Toerana Iii, Arenado

Thank you for the kind endorsements, Cormac and Rocki, I really appreciate it, thank you both!

Cormactopia Prime, Wymondham

RP

CLTV 1

Respond to Alaniztan

[spoiler]Nationalist Party leader Richard Carrington said Alaniztan clearly wants the dominance of the left everywhere.

They openly say that they will not recognize the Ozovia constitution. Because Yaldia and NUSA are located there, it is an occupation and the elections are illegitimate.And against this is left-wing parties, Alanizatan must realize that they are not the whole of Ozovia but a extreme political groups.They do not admit that these extremists are not in power and someone else is.Yaldia and NUSA troops should only withdraw if the legitimate government decides.But a legitimate one chosen by the people and not some group made up of Drama queens.

Second, skepticism about UOTS is not justified.Groups of all ideologies are invited, but they would like to be all those groups on the left.Here we are, who are against the left,we will entering this organization, there will be a statement from the government.[/spoiler]

RP

Responds to New United States 0F America's proposal

[spoiler]Clarkstan accepts your invitation to become a member of UOTS. Regardless of the fact that there may be some left-wing countries, we, as a sovereign country, will decide whether to talk to them.We also believe that this organization has the potential to become the largest and most influential Thalassia.

- Christina Senger,Minister of State[/spoiler]

RP

Ambassador Nominees to Clarkstan and The Ausdonian Republic

[spoiler=Ambassador Nominations announced after delay; swift confirmations expected]

The Sonara Times

Ambassador Nominations announced after delay; swift confirmations expected

By Daniel Fitzgerald Jr

After weeks of delay of the Ambassador nomination announcement, President Acosta and Secretary of International Affairs Victor Helmachen finally named the nominees, Professor Jason Porteous and Mrs. Susanne Nadler, in a joint press conference this morning.

The delay was reportedly caused by a last minute switch of the prospective Ambassador to Clarkstan, a high-ranking official in the Acosta Administration originally divulged to reporters last Thursday. A different official has since cooperated this account, although who the original candidate for the post was is still unknown.

The nomination process is expected to proceed swiftly to be completed before the President’s National Schiff Speech on January 20, 2020.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Meet the Ambassadorial Candidates facing congressional hearings this week: Report]

The Schiffian Reporter

Meet the Ambassadorial Candidates facing congressional hearings this week: Report

By Cecilia McArthur

After the President and International Affairs Secretary’s brief announcement of ambassadorial candidates, the desire of Schiffians to know more about the people who may be tasked with representing the United States of Schiff abroad has emerged and inspired several reports as well as investigative pieces focused on the background events behind the announcement delay. This report aims to summarize the most important aspects of the nominees to give Schiffians information before the start of public hearings on Thursday.

The nominee for the Ambassador to the Ausdonian Republic is Jason Porteous, current Professor of International Relations at the Universitias Scientia where he has been teaching since 2015. Previously, he served as the Undersecretary of International Affairs from 2011 to 2015.

Professor Porteous was born on July 19, 1956 in Lawrence, West Novera. He is a well-known diplomat and author of several books on foreign policy and national history, including “Schiff and the World: International Alliances and Diplomatic Action” and “From 1683 to Today: How Our History Shapes Us”.

The Embassy in Clarkstan might be headed by Susanne Nadler, currently a Senior Advisor to the Secretary of International Affairs. She is a career civil servant, having served in this post since 2017, while her previous positions include Senior Advisor to the Undersecretary of International Affairs, Council on the Economy and Assistant Council on the Economy.

Mrs. Nadler has served in the Schiffian government since 2000, joining under President Clifford, making her a veteran of three Administrations from three Parties. Susanne Nadler was born on September 3, 1976 in Dennburg, Lorden and has a BA and an MA in International Relations.

Both nominees have received broad approval from politicians and citizens alike, with 70% viewing the choices favorably and Congresspersons speaking largely positively of these respected, experienced diplomatic figures.

With the nomination hearings set on Thurday, Schiffians can follow the proceedings live on Schiffian Public News (SPN) as well as coverage by all major tv networks.[/spoiler]

Clarkstan, Zentata

New United States 0F America wrote:RP

The NUSA invites Alaniztan Clarkstan Wiskawga The Ausdonian Republic Ozovia to the UOTS.

The president has expressed interest in joining the UTOS, but will need to get permission to join from a majority in Congress. Congress meets tomorrow afternoon and the proposal will be brought to them then.

The president is also pleased that the United States Of Schiff has chosen an ambassador to come to our nation and strengthen our bonds.

Zentata, United States Of Schiff

To Cormactopia Prime and Rockiberg:

[spoiler]Your objection to a court system appears to be the delay it can present in important actions being taken. But from what I can gather from Wiskawga’s plan the court would be for appeals only (and clarifying how laws should work).

I don’t see how this prevents the normal system from operating how it always has, it just provides a more formal process for appealing those actions and ensuring that those powers are used fairly. It introduces better accountability, and I don’t see how that is a bad thing. Even people in the region I trust with those powers implicitly have made mistakes in the past.

I think there needs to be a mechanism for the court to refuse to hear an appeal where it would clearly be a waste of time. In my understanding of courts in real life, you have to seek ‘permission’ to pursue an appeal against a government action to make sure the courts time isn’t wasted unless there are reasonable grounds for the claim. I think that system should be built into any court proposal.

I wish none of that were necessary, but I don’t object to a proposal that ensures fairness and keeps executive powers in check in the extreme cases where that may be necessary.[/spoiler]

Veaetmar Ii wrote:snip

Well, from Wisk's explanation you can see that the courts would handle disputes over interpretation of law and appeals. This, in my opinion, makes the judicial system even more unnecessary. Not to say that it would be necessary even if it handled regular banning too. A judicial system is basically a combination of redundancy and inefficiency.

Think about this - you have to have three experienced people who you trust; they can't hold any other position; they have to be confirmed by referendum. All of this for them to just sit for months or years on end doing nothing productive.

You know how many law interpretation problems we had since we've established Thalassia, and even before, in Pacifica? One, and it was resolved just by looking at the Constitution.

And how many appeals to bans? Exactly zero.

That statistically means that you have an entire super complicated system that ties up three people into doing nothing for a year at a time.

Like really, we have the office of the President, who doesn't have that many regular tasks. It was basically established to be the chief judicial authority. The "It introduces better accountability" argument is basically one of weakest arguments there is. People know what the President's role in the judicial system is and therefore by voting for him they put their trust in him to do the best thing. If the President breaks their trust, they can remove him from office. If that's not accountability, I don't know what is.

I mean, I just don't get the point of having a judicial system just for the sake of it, especially if you can just look into other regions and see what a massive blunder it is.

Cormactopia Prime

I don’t think the accountability argument is weak at all. Two people out of probably two dozen government positions are democratically elected.

You are both seeing it from a certain perspective but I think I see it from a very different one. Without casting judgment on either side, Toerana seems to have been forced from office on the back of pressure from a foreign government, Wiskawga was literally removed from office and banned from the region for reasons that were eventually deemed insufficient, I was forced to resign from government when I felt the President overstepped their authority because there was nowhere to direct any concerns. Waiting up to five months to vote for someone else in an election simply isn’t sufficient.

All those matters may have been an honest exercise of judgment, but we’re not necessarily good judgment from officials in the region. I don’t think any of them were worthy of any call to remove the official from office, so what is there to hold them to account or allow for a mediated or fair resolution?

Sweeping those issues under the carpet and pretending they didn’t happen doesn’t do anyone any favours. Thankfully on all those occasions the people effected took it on the chin, but I think we can do better. I don’t think a simple and efficient court system is the evil you’re claiming it to be (although I do agree that losing three good candidates from eligibility for government roles should be avoided).

Veaetmar Ii wrote:snip

Umm, yes, two of of dozen government positions are democratically elected. One of them is the President, who acts as the judicial branch, and is accountable to the people. I don't know what does that have to do with anything.

Toe hasn't been forced from any kind of pressure from a foreign government. We don't operate that way. He actually hasn't been forced by anything or anyone. While there were talks about removing him from his position should the court found him guilty (because we don't want convicted people as ministers), he stepped down on his own accord. I assume it was because he knew what kind of fallout would follow his conviction.

You have to acknowledge the fact that the whole Wiskawga fiasco was not in any part fault of our current system, nor the government. Nobody in the cabinet, including me, was contacted about it. We learned about it after it happened. It was a huge overstep by the Founder (for which they apologized) that would've happened no matter what judicial system we had in place because, well, it was an illegal action, outside of the Constitution, and therefore, outside the judicial system.

As for your situation, I don't remember it clearly. It's Pacifica times. I just remember there was a lot of hot headness.

"Waiting up to five months to vote for someone else in an election simply isn’t sufficient." Uh. I don't know what to say to that. The people can remove the President from office by impeaching him, you know that, right? If the people think that the President mishandled his power as the chief judge they can remove him from office, effective immidiately, by referendum.

Cormactopia Prime

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