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Region: Thalassia
Yeah. It's most probably against NS rules.
Welp, I guess it is. And the name, too, perhaps.
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044#002
And this https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=361490
Hello, everyone! I'm very sorry for the late RP Rewards update, but here it is. The Ministry of Culture's picks for the best role players from the past two weeks are Nationific, Laeden, Conklandi, Hopal Ii, Clarkstan, Kalderisara, Maxilains, and Coalandia! Congratulations and thank you to all those winners, and to everyone else participating in RP!
Once again, RP stats are not currently required. The NSTracker website, last I checked, is unavailable, and the MoC is working on a larger idea to break away from this kind of stat system anyway. Another update on this matter will be giving in the future.
Clarkstan, Mornicoder, Nationific, Ayeinc, Veaetmar, Monkelandd, Portugal And Great Britannia, Maxilains, Kalderisara
Thanks Czech Germania!
Czech Germania, Portugal And Great Britannia, Maxilains
Any Thalassian card collectors and traders here?
Nationific
High value collecter and duplicates trader at your service! I'm low on bank, so I'll have to start by selling.
But, i collect all high value cards and I'm pretty sure I don't have Thalassian ones in my collection
Ayeinc, Monkelandd
RP
The His Majesty's Government of Esslea is delighted to announce the transition of the Capital of the Kingdom of Esslea from the Metropolitan City of Paronpon to the National City of Essleya. All nations are advised to transfer their Embassies, Delegates, Trade Representative Offices, Consulates and the like to the new capital.
Ayeinc, Monkelandd, Federated Commonwealth Of Selstville
RP
Eamon Ave is lined with people as cars with the flags of Hopal and Kalderisara stroll down to the embassy of Kalderisara. Hundreds of people from both countries swarm the embassy. The Prime Minister and the Prince step out of their cars and the Prime Minister starts speaking.
"Hopalians and Kalderisarians alike as we open this great building I hope that it will be a testament of a great relationship between our two nations. A testament to solidarity and unity. A symbol of free trade and travel. A symbol of a joint struggle and a joint future and with that I invite the Prince to have a few words."
Ayeinc
One More Day to complete the map survey, linked on the WFE! Please complete it if you have not already.
Ayeinc, Portugal And Great Britannia
RP
Air Esslea has been created after a merger between Esslea International Air Lines, Esslea National Air and Air Paronpon. It wishes to know if any nations want their cities to be connected to Esslea through them. Their hubs are Esslea International Airport, serving Essleya, and Paronpon Boonlay International Airport, serving Paronpon. Current destinations (all in Esslea) include Kyensani Imperona International Airport (serving Kyensani) Ellone International Airport (Ellone) and Cayn Queensburg International (serving Cayn and other seaside destinations)
Mornicoder, Ayeinc, Zentata, Monkelandd, Federated Commonwealth Of Selstville
World Assembly - General Assembly - Restrictions On Blood Sports
Vote: For
This would help stop barbaric practices, and continue to allow consensual maiming. This also helps with rehabilitation, is written in a clear and succinct manner, and also makes an exception for hunting, thereby covering the major points about a resolution of this subject. I personally am in strong support of this resolution. I will be honest, I have no idea why you would vote against. The resolution is written quite well, and I couldn't spot any holes in it big enough to warrant it being useless. Therefore, I'd encourage Thalassia to vote for.
Nationific, Ayeinc, Monkelandd, Portugal And Great Britannia, Esslea
RP
the government of Baltic NRC gladly accepts your offer and hopes this can lead to an amazing friendship between our countries
Zentata
RP
Ayeinc is interested in offering Air Esslea a new destination, Ayeinca City International. Recently built and located just outside Ayeinca City, ACI is the place to connect Ayeinc to the world.
Nationific
rp
Coalandia would like to give Air Esslea 2 new destinations, Port Silver International Airport, and New Dover International Airport.
Mornicoder, Nationific, Ayeinc, Zentata
Selstville would like to offer a new destination for the Airline. Central, Selstville, Brunhoff International Airport. More destinations to come...
Nationific
RP
"The Outer Union must not take this opportunity due to still having experimenting the commercial planes and making sure that flight safety is the priority and even possible high delays for planes to check everything and would probably anger customers" Said Air Commissioner Fynn Van Jonathan of Air Union National.
Head of the Department of Education, Joanna Long, stated of his Opinion in foreign students exchange "Honestly, when I thought of this I was surprised that this happened. Any nation is welcome to change students with The Outer Union. We will be sending 8,000 students and 2,000 military cadets to any nation wanting to exchange. This would be one of, if not, One of the first ever time we will interact with the other nations."
RP
Nationific is willing to accept The Outer Union's foreign exchange offer. In return, Nationific will be sending the same number of students to The Outer Union. It welcomes The Outer Union to the outside world.
Maxilains, The Outer Union
Selstville will welcome the students for an education exchange programme. We will also send 10,000 students to the nation for education.
Mornicoder, Nationific, Maxilains, The Outer Union
The Outer Union thanks Nationific and seltsville for the foreign exchanges and would expect the students and cadets to arrive in 2 to 3 weeks. The Outer Union will ensure that the students will feel and will be like there at home. The president calls it "The first of many processes to open to other nations" over 80% of the nation came out in support of this movement. 10,000 will also be sent to selstville for the foreign exchange.
Nationific
RP
Air Esslea thanks the cities who have agreed to allow flights to and from Esslea. The flights will currently operate to Paronpon and Esslea International Airport.
The Government of Esslea is delighted to have a greater friendship between Esslea and Baltic Nrc. Air Esslea asks which city/airport should the flights operate to.
Nationific
RP
we would love to have it fly to our capital city baltica
Esslea
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1380930
UPDOOOT
Edit: we've gotten to #1!! But we can do more! Be sure to spread the word around y'all!
Alaniztan, Nationific, Ayeinc, Monkelandd, Portugal And Great Britannia, Maxilains, Hellaflylandia
RP
Monkeish Airways and Coral Air would both like to send flights to Esslea from Moncecreta Apomix, Moncecreta Eugs, Labarintia, Yarmotta and Vestutti.
Monkelandd would love to be involved in an exchange program with The Outer Union.
Nationific
As an LGBTQ member of NS I am legit loving Thalassia's new regional flag for June.
Liruslau, Nationific, Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Veaetmar, Sho, Toerana Vii, Arenado, Monkelandd, Portugal And Great Britannia, Kalderisara, Federated Commonwealth Of Selstville
I know right?
Liruslau, Nationific, Veaetmar, Sho, Monkelandd, Hellaflylandia, Hopal Ii, Federated Commonwealth Of Selstville
Thanks, I'm glad you like it, it was pretty fun making it :]
Liruslau, Nationific, Veaetmar, Sho, Portugal And Great Britannia, Hellaflylandia, Kalderisara
If you love that, you should totally see our discord icon for June 😝
Liruslau, Nationific, Ayeinc, Toerana Vii, Arenado, Portugal And Great Britannia, Kalderisara
RP
Esslea accepts the offer and asks if Monkelandd will allow Air Esslea to send flights to Monkelandd. If permission is granted, please state the name and airport name of the city/cities.(OOC: I'm making a factbook)
Air Esslea also asks if any other countries would like flights with Air Esslea to and from their cities. Again, if permission is granted, please state the name and airport name of the city/cities.
Nationific, Monkelandd
RP
Spaceport Flights in the next decade
After the successful flight to the moon by scientists, Air Conklandi announces that in the next decade, new spaceflights will fly to the Moon on the same aircraft as the successful flight was conducted.
The Conklandi government would accept new flights to Esslea via its airline to Conklandi City and entreaties other nations to accept new connections by Air Conklandi in order to take advantage of the fledgeling space industry in the country which currently has a projection of $10 million by the new decade.
Monkelandd, Esslea
I am a social conservative and traditionalist, but I will not make noise about that. I talked at on topic about this on the forum, if anyone is interested, they can look at my post about it on the NS forum.
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Mornicoder, Nationific
Same here! I remember everyone changing their flags for last June, it was great
Here is the dispatch!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1381201
Ayeinc, Veaetmar
RP
The Nationifician Government is interested in operating flights to and from Esslea. Air Nationific will operate a twice weekly flight from Nationific City Airport, Nationific City. The Government requests Esslea to also commence Air Esslea flights in this route. Passenger demand and profits would finalise a decision to open up the route to private airlines and to another airport, Nationific Aero Base International.
Esslea
RP
Air Esslea announces it's new route to Nationific City Airport, Nationific City, prior to the suggestion of Nationific
Nationific
RP
The Outer Union would love to exchange 20,000 students from the Outer Union to the nation of Monkelandd.
Nationific
RP tags please!
Nationific, Veaetmar
Oops, missed that, "You're slipping up, old man!"😆
Veaetmar, Portugal And Great Britannia
RP
Veaetmar would welcome opportunities to improve international air travel between Esslea and Veaetmar, including a new destination for Air Esslea, Antoine Jean-Baptiste Airport in Holte Upper. As neighbours it is important to encourage air travel between our nations.
Nationific, Ayeinc
Two days ago my school year was over so now Ill be much more Active
Nationific, Ayeinc, Veaetmar, Zentata, Monkelandd, Banq, Oh My God It Is So Hard To Find A Name 3
RP
Monkelandd accepts this kind offer and will hope to see flights into the cities of: Moncecreta (Apomix and Eugs Airports) Labarintia, Yarmotta, Edine and Vestutti.
OOC: Like my new flag?
Nationific, Ayeinc, Esslea, Hopal Ii
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_3nd_german_republic/detail=factbook/id=1370345
B-20 report!
Nationific, Monkelandd
I'm starting the ratification process of the Treaty of Le Port per the recommendation of both Prime Minister Arenado before his LoA and the currently Acting Prime Minister Veaetmar.
The Treaty of Le Port is a treaty of mutual recognition, non-aggression, cultural/diplomatic cooperation and friendship between the Kingdom of Thalassia and the Twelfth Mandate of Lazarus.
Citizens will have one day to discuss said treaty, after which it will move to a vote lasting two days. The ratification will require a 2/3rd majority to pass.
Here's the treaty:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1381322
Liruslau, Nationific, Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Veaetmar, Zentata, Arenado, Banq, Kalderisara
I fully support this treaty.
Liruslau, Ayeinc, Esslea, Banq
So do i
Liruslau, Ayeinc
It brings me great pleasure to see this Treaty being brought to the region for referendum.
I made strengthening our relationship with Lazarus a key priority in my first term as Minister of Foreign Affairs and Lazarus made it a priority to progress Treaty discussions following the election of their new Prime Minister. They are seeking out stronger relations with other neutral regions like ourselves, being the largest region within the neutral sphere as a Game Created Region (GCR). Like our other Treaty ally, Osiris, Lazarus is a Sinker region and a leader in NationStates.
Its a joy and an honour to have such well respected friends and I think this Treaty will be valuable to Thalassia, bringing our two communities closer together and offering opportunities for further collaboration.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Liruslau, Nationific, Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Zentata, Arenado, Monkelandd, El Hierro, New Khalifa
RP
The Prince and the Prime Minister step inside the embassy where they take their seats at a small table in the middle of the room. The table surrounded by press has a paper on it. Which reads:
The countries of Hopal Ii and Kalderisara have agreed to the following:
-Free movement of goods and services between both countries
-Citizens of both countries can go to the other country visa-free for 30 days
-Teachers of both countries can live and work in the other country
-Students of both countries will be allowed to go to any universities in the other countries
This agreement has been signed on Saturday May 30, 2020 by
____________________________
____________________________
They add their names
Prime Minister Jack Nicholls of Hopal
Prince Alimon Aepeiros of Kalderisara
Veaetmar, Kalderisara
New flag!
Ayeinc, Zentata, Monkelandd
New flag for me as well!
For those unfamiliar with LGBT history in the US, the date on the left marks the first day of the Stonewall Riots, which is the founding moment for the LGBT Rights Movement in the US. The date on the right is the day that Obgerfell v. Hodges was decided, legalizing gay marriage across the US.
Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Sho, Zentata, Esslea, Banq
Well I decided to join in the fun and also alter my flag. Since I didn't want to design a flag I decided on the flag of Malawi. Black, green and red are the colours of African-Americans I don't remember why you can search it up. (Yes I spell colour with a u because I live in Canada.) And two colours of the rainbow is good enough I guess (Sorry guys.) It has the rising sun at the top going along with my other flags which represents hope and the flag of the native people of Hopal would have looked similar.
Nationific, Ayeinc, Sho, Zentata, Monkelandd, Portugal And Great Britannia, Oh My God It Is So Hard To Find A Name 3
Candide x Pride Month
Badivermeraed, Ayeinc
Pride is awesome
Badivermeraed, Ayeinc
Post self-deleted by Oh My God It Is So Hard To Find A Name.
Please don't double post!
Portugal And Great Britannia, Oh My God It Is So Hard To Find A Name
Remember this is an opinion. I think whats happening with the protests has gone a little too far. What the people are protesting for is justified but the problem is that a lot of people are opportunists so they use this time to loot stores also the person that did this horrible crime is fired from his job as a police officer and is charged with third-degree murder so normally the protests would be over what do people do use this opportunity route stores are still doing it. This is my opinion on whats happening with the riots if you have a different opinion please quote me. Ps sorry about this random post
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Liruslau, Nationific, Ayeinc, Zentata, Banq, Hopal Ii, New Khalifa
S2:
"(3) Both parties agree that the deployment of military forces on opposing sides, in a region that is not the home region nor possession of the other is not a violation of this treaty."
So we don't fight eachother except when we are allowed to fight eachother outside of each others controlled regions?
EDIT: - Before Wym gives me a text wall about how common this clause is in other agreements, I am aware of this, but it would take a drastic change of both Thalassian and Lazerene Military policy to make this a useful clause, although multiple parties have already explained the purpose of the clause.
S2"
"(2) Both parties pledge to not knowingly conspire to or raid or otherwise attack....."
If I am not mistaken, this is not correct English. I would have expected Legislation to be proof read before a discussion period is opened.
S5:
"(1) Both parties recognize the close relationship and friendship between them."
Surely this should be the preamble, I don't see how an entire clause is necessary when he Preamble states, "Desiring friendship between Lazarus and Thalassia, both parties hereby ratify this treaty."
Instead of the preamble stating that we "desire" friendship, it should clearly state that the purpose of this treaty is friendship.
S3:
If we are going to number the sub sections of section 5, it should at least be consistent and have done within Section 3 as well.
Sections 3 and 4 could be merged into "Cooperation", have seperate sections which only contain 1 clause each doesn't make a massive amount of sense to me when they could be relatively easily located in the same section.
Overall, I think it could be written much better, and I believe there has been a lack of care that went into the drafting process, leading to the multiple simple errors in the treaty itself.
Nationific, Ayeinc, Zentata, Monkelandd
I agree with you on many points, especially the part regarding opportunists using this to loot. But I do not believe this to be the sole reason they have persisted.
I believe the other reason protests have continued is that this has been an issue far too many times in the states. Not only that but while the murderer was charged, the other officers who stood by and allowed that to happen were not despite effectively being accessories.
Ayeinc, Monkelandd, Hopal Ii
Post self-deleted by The Nordic Democracy.
Nationific
It is important to note that this is far from the first police-brutality related riot (they date back the Civil Rights Era). Even this pattern of internal destruction and widespread looting isn't new. The only particularly unique things about this set of riots are:
1. How widespread they are
2. The timing
If this was some new, final act like some people on the internet are pushing (not that anyone here is), there'd be way more deaths. Thus far, 8 people have been killed and ~1700 arrested in this set of riots. Compare this to the 1992 LA riots, in which 63 were killed, 2,383 were injured, and 12,111 were arrested.
In my cynical opinion, this set of riots will change nothing. The story will be dead within a weak of the protests ending.
Nationific, Sho
Well, the dispatch is more about fighting the police that use too much force and hence the title; brutality. It's also designed to help people affected by the protests!
Sho
Its a vicious cycle, unfortunately.
Kalderisara, Hopal Ii
These protests probably wont change anything long term
- British Redcoats, 1776
I'm just saying, protests do work!
Ayeinc, Sho, Toerana Vii, Monkelandd
My dear lad, three words:
Boston tea party
Nationific
You do have a point history tends to repeat itself
Badivermeraed
Post by The Nordic Democracy suppressed by Zentata.
What separates this from the Boston tea party is that its hurting the common citizen. The Boston tea party didnt even really affect the average citizen
The United Nations Of Kvenland
Post by The Nordic Democracy suppressed by Zentata.
I am near were Chicago is and a lot of the Big stores near me has been looted and theyre planning on looting a Store near me
The United Nations Of Kvenland
Woah there. No triple posting. It's fine to express your opinions and all, but please continue to follow the rmb rules. You can edit your previous posts. Thanks!
Ayeinc, Monkelandd
The Patriots only destroyed the thing related to what they were protesting. They didn't go around burning homes and stores, they didn't even burn the ship. They destroyed the tea and that was all.
It would be comparable if the rioters/protestors only attacked police stations and related things.
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Nationific, Ayeinc, Banq, Hopal Ii, New Khalifa
Welcome to the real, ugly world of the 21st Century, folks.
Or, for that matter, the world has been really ugly since we started killing people. (Which is, since forever)
Edit: I sound like a pessimist, sorry.
Mornicoder, Hopal Ii, New Khalifa
It's not really pessimistic though, people have been slaughtering each other since the beginning of the human race. Hell, even animals do that. It's nature.
Nationific
got on the trend of Pride Flags as well
Mornicoder, Hopal Ii
I know I haven't been very active, but I don't want to stay silent on this, and I hope others also do not stay silent. I'm in the United States right now, and I am absolutely heart broken by the racism that has been in the spotlight this past week. I'm heart broken by the continued murder of Black men, women, and children. And I'm heart broken and angered by the system that refuses to change. So I want to use this platform to share my (unorganized) thoughts on this.
These protests are about a system that does not respect Black lives. It's about a country where people armed with guns (and brandishing them in an extremely threatening and intimidating manner) protesting public health, with posters of Nazi slogans and with confederate flags are protected by the police, yet people peacefully protesting a violent racist system are mowed down by police cars, sprayed with tear gas, and infiltrated with undercover police officers to instigate violence.
Colin Kaepernick was vilified and made public enemy #1 because he peacefully protested police brutality. Peaceful protest isn't respected by many of the same people that are enraged by the looting.There exists two different Americas - one that white people live in, designed for them. And the other that has been created by white people for minorities, one that doesn't respect their lives, especially not those of Black Americans.
One of the murders that is being responded to with these protests is that of Breonna Taylor. In Louisville Kentucky, Breonna Taylor was killed in her own house. When the police used a battering ram to enter her house, her boyfriend, licensed to have a gun, used it for self-defense of the couple (as armed men had just broken into the house unidentified in the middle of the night). The police officers shot Breonna 8 times. Breonna Taylor was an EMT, and had wanted to become a nurse, buy a house and start a family, and have a career in health care. There are countless other stories like this, and police continue to be held unaccountable.
Let's not forget that the institution of police in the south was born from a force created to catch run-away enslaved people. They evolved to enforce segregation and the sharecropping system which continued to exploit Black citizens, and eventually Jim Crow. With many officers having connections to the KKK, they failed to protect Black Americans, and perpetuated (and still perpetuate) a system of oppression. To call the police a racist institution is not only appropriate considering its history and its present day track record and failure to change, but is necessary to have conversations that can lead to change. In 2006, the FBI found that white supremacist groups were infiltrating local police forces across the country to protect other white officers and to antagonize communities of color.
Meanwhile, there are white people that wield their deadly privilege by calling the police on Black Americans sitting in Starbucks or bird-watching in Central Park (look up Amy Cooper). Don't try to deny that the police protects and empowers white racism while continuing the murders of Black Americans, white people in America already know this and use it to their advantage.
For those of you who may be thinking of saying this I'm not saying that all cops are bad. But I am saying that many cops are bad, and are part of an institution that has failed to change and continues to excuse racist and unfit officers and kill Black Americans without cause.
So I would like to make a few things clear to those who may find it unclear.
1. Much of the violence and looting is initiated by undercover white supremacists (some of them cops) looking to create violence and confusion, antagonize these protests, and excuse the ensuing use of excessive force by the police.
2. The police in America is a deadly institution - there's no denying this - one that refuses to change It is killer institutional racism.
3. These protests are 100% justified and 100% necessary. The anger against the system is 100% justified. Things haven't changed, but they need to. These protests aren't trivial, and should not be ignored, but spotlighted in positive, non antagonistic ways. And their message cannot sputter out to only those threatened by police brutality. If you are in a position of privilege, use it to support movements against police brutality, institutional racism, and movements like BlackLivesMatter and CampaignZero.
4. These protests will have consequences for those protesting and for Black people in America. There will be charges for people who were defending themselves against unprovoked police brutality. There already has been unprovoked violence by police against protesters. Black people in America will be punished politically by the right and the political arms of white supremacy in America, and racist white people will direct their outrage at being confronted with the murder of Black people that they allow to happen, and they will direct it through systems built for white people. So don't sit by as racist and complacent antagonize those who a) are exhausting avenues trying to stop the murder of Black people in America and b) very much understand the risk that they are taking. Speak up.
NS is an important platform, and I think we should 100% have the discussion. I think we should have it where it will reach the most people, and I think that is on the RMB. If you think that this isn't the type of thing that you should have to see on the RMB, then wake up and recognize the privilege you have for this to be an issue you can ignore, or pick and choose when to be confronted with it.
Thank you to Sho, Dekks, Warden Nakari, Qvait, Badivermeraed and Prince Reece Island for working and promoting the dispatch. Please donate to one of the groups listed in it if you are able. Anything contributes, and it takes less than two minutes.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1380930
Alaniztan, Mornicoder, Nationific, Ayeinc, Sho, Monkelandd, Oh My God It Is So Hard To Find A Name, Esslea, Coalandia, Tirr Savattstra, Kalderisara
While I completely agree with it, I'd appreciate it if you would spoiler the text. And, do you like my new flag? I painted it, this painting is an achievement.
P.S.- I kind of shudder to think what kind of a world we are living in right now. Will this be the world that future generations would come to know?
Badivermeraed, Ayeinc, Sho, Monkelandd
Hopefully not, if we take initiative and change the world.
Nationific, Sho
I would like to encourage everyone to read the posts about this issue and look online for resources.
This is not an issue that any of us should get to ignore or choose to remove ourselves from. On NS we make hypothetical situations all the time, putting a lot of effort into them. I myself have written paragraph and paragraphs or meaningless details about cobble stone streets or the painting on a teapot. But police brutality and institutional racism is not hypothetical - it is very real. It's not something that those effected and killed by have a choice on.
NS is full of ideas that work just like privilege. Don't want to be involved in an RP? You have the choice to opt out. Don't like what is said in a post? You have the choice not to read it.
In real life, it's much the same. Those with privilege can "opt-out" of social responsibility, they can choose to remove themselves from issues like institutional racism and police brutality. I hope that we can all recognize that, and the immense privilege we have when it comes to an online platform like NS. I hope that we will not stray away from having the discussion, and supporting positively and contributing to movements for racial equality and anti-racism/police-brutality movements.
Alaniztan, Nationific, Monkelandd, Hopal Ii
^I agree, opting out is the only thing that we seem to be doing nowadays. And believe me, I...Always seem to skirt around important topics, people say it's good diplomacy. I wonder...
Sho
[spoiler]
Dude just no.
These protests are not justified, not okay, and not useful. Innocent people are being beaten and nearly killed in the streets by protestors. Business owners many of whom are black are having their business burned to the ground and being beaten for trying to defend them. Rioters are yelling racist remarks about how they will kill all whites and police.
These riots started being violent almost immediately. The violence was not instigated by some secret underground white supremacy group. It was instigated by the protestors themselves and no one else.
The police officer who unlawfully kneeled on the mans neck was immediately condemned by every person in America. His own wife divorced him. The president started an investigation immediately and sided with the black man. The police officer has now been charged with third degree murder and the other officers involved will likely face similar charges soon enough. Who the heck are these protestors protesting against? Are they protesting the so called Secret Underground White Supremacy Group that every right wing guy is secretly part of? Well sorry to tell you but it doesn't exist. They are protesting the boogie man and failing at it.
Even if the government was secretly racist how does that justify burning private property? A lot of it is owned by black people. Or harming innocent citizens who try to stop you from burning crap.
Just a few weeks ago the left was condemning the peaceful anti-lockdown protests saying that by gathering together they might be a threat to everyones health. But now its suddenly okay to leave your homes be in close proximity to each other and go around destroying private property and beating people up?
Also side note. Colin K. was not made into a villain. People didnt think he was evil or something. They just disagreed that kneeling for the national anthem was a good way to protest. They thought it was somewhat disrespectful and wanted Colin to protest in another form. Also a lot sports fans just didnt like politics being involved with a game. I was one of those angry sports fans.
Im fine with people saying that the American police force has some issues that need solving. Im willing to hear your proposals for helping it but I am not gonna sit here and let you say that these protests are a good thing. People are being beaten in the streets and having their business burned to the ground for nothing.
[/spoiler]
Laeden, Nationific, Ayeinc, Kalderisara, Hopal Ii, New Khalifa
Protests against violence are justified as long as they themselves don't turn violent. Same goes for other kinds. But, having said that, what Avalonia says isn't wrong. Remember, peaceful protests turn violent only when there is violence against the protesters. We're just like animals. Provoke a human being, and that human being will do everything they can to return it, often in excess.
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Hopal Ii
To be honest, you should make a forum post on what you just typed into this RMB. Would make for more meaningful discussion (and input) if you did that.
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Nationific, Monkelandd
Yes Protests against violence are justified. All protests are justified. People have the right to protest what ever the hell they want and I will always support their right to do so. However what is happening now is not a protest. It is a violent, dangerous, and pointless riot. This riot was peaceful for all about 10 minutes before people started to start fires and beat business owners. Also I dont necessarily disagree with everything Avalonia said. Mainly I just disapprove of his comment that these riots are 100% justified. Beating innocents and burning private property is most definitely not justified.
Mornicoder, Kalderisara, Hopal Ii, New Khalifa
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Nationific, New Khalifa
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Mornicoder, Banq, New Khalifa
*sniffs*
Is that the smell of flam(ing)?
Nationific
Well theres a difference between a debate and a political conversation. Debates are typically ineffective because in a debate both sides simply want to win and are unwilling to listen to or learn from the other side. Its the reason why many political podcasts are becoming more popular among people, because in many podcasts they actually talk and listen to each other instead of trying to win. Sadly however its much harder to have a well mannered political conversation on a text based forum. I dont know what it is but on text based sites people just tend to become more aggressive and more unwilling to listen. I myself have fallen prey to this many times by being unwilling to listen to the person Im chatting with.
Nationific, New Khalifa
Don't worry, I'm more willing to read than to write. See what comes out of me writing...
I obviously never knew MLK personally so I dont wanna say that I have any right to speak for him but I dont think he would really approve of these riots. If MLK were to have ever rioted which to my knowledge he never did, he would not have gone around and burned the businesses of his fellow black men and hurt innocents. MLK was a peaceful, great, and wise man. I doubt hed agree with this form of a riot.
Nationific, Hopal Ii, New Khalifa
What monsters have we become?
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Monkelandd
like 4 police and fire trucks went by my house an hour ago turns out they are burning a bunch of stores on the west coast too, in my town
Jerkania, Mornicoder, Nationific, Maxilains, New Khalifa
Hope everyone is okay out there. Keep calm and carry on, as best you can. :3
Mornicoder, Nationific, Badivermeraed, Monkelandd, Hellaflylandia, Hopal Ii
These protests are not justified, not okay, and not useful. Innocent people are being beaten and nearly killed in the streets by protestors. Business owners many of whom are black are having their business burned to the ground and being beaten for trying to defend them. Rioters are yelling racist remarks about how they will kill all whites and police.
These riots started being violent almost immediately. The violence was not instigated by some secret underground white supremacy group. It was instigated by the protestors themselves and no one else.
The police officer who unlawfully kneeled on the mans neck was immediately condemned by every person in America. His own wife divorced him. The president started an investigation immediately and sided with the black man. The police officer has now been charged with third degree murder and the other officers involved will likely face similar charges soon enough. Who the heck are these protestors protesting against? Are they protesting the so called Secret Underground White Supremacy Group that every right wing guy is secretly part of? Well sorry to tell you but it doesn't exist. They are protesting the boogie man and failing at it.
Even if the government was secretly racist how does that justify burning private property? A lot of it is owned by black people. Or harming innocent citizens who try to stop you from burning crap.
Just a few weeks ago the left was condemning the peaceful anti-lockdown protests saying that by gathering together they might be a threat to everyones health. But now its suddenly okay to leave your homes be in close proximity to each other and go around destroying private property and beating people up?
Also side note. Colin K. was not made into a villain. People didnt think he was evil or something. They just disagreed that kneeling for the national anthem was a good way to protest. They thought it was somewhat disrespectful and wanted Colin to protest in another form. Also a lot sports fans just didnt like politics being involved with a game. I was one of those angry sports fans.
Im fine with people saying that the American police force has some issues that need solving. Im willing to hear your proposals for helping it but I am not gonna sit here and let you say that these protests are a good thing. People are being beaten in the streets and having their business burned to the ground for nothing.
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I totally agree with you, buddy. After seeing so much looting and hellraising, I can't help but to think if people aren't just looking for an excuse to destroy things and express their hatred. Because burning, beating and pillaging doesn't change anything, at all. In fact, it just forces the police officers to be yet more violent.
While I admit that the police has serious flaws, they absolutely do not justify what these rioters are doing.
And I'd also like to point out that, in my humble opinion, this discussion should be conducted elsewhere, not here in RMB. I think this space should be reserved for roleplaying. I respect all who think otherwise, though.
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Nationific, Hopal Ii
Destroying private property is a crime as it is killing someone
Laeden, The United Nations Of Kvenland, Nationific, Hopal Ii
The space isnt reserved for roleplaying, hence why [RP] tags are required. Not everyone can/does take part in the discord, so this is a multipurpose hub.
Nationific, Ayeinc, Hopal Ii
burning building wont bring that man back
just like bombing Afghanistan didn't bring back twin towers.
The United Nations Of Kvenland, Nationific, Hopal Ii, New Khalifa
Who the hell is gonna listen to a bunch of 'nerds' who supposedly don't know anything about the 'real world'?
I'd like to make a point. Human beings just want an excuse to be violent. Personal opinion, though.
And, before you say anything about the first comment, let me tell you, this platform serves only to make people aware. It is the people behind the flags, the real people, who must bring about a change. Not fictional nations.
I know I'm being hypocritical, I seriously am in no position to bring about real change anytime soon, but I believe that if we persuade those who are in such a position, change is bound to happen. That's why I'm so actively spewing rants.
Mornicoder
As you watch what's unfolding, remember: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Nationific, Monkelandd
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