Post Archive
Region: Thalassia
First.
Sho, Andenstistan, Zentata, Monkelandd, Esslea, Madden Oweight, The Great Moroccan Crown, Coalandia, United Provices Of Goolata, Charville, Holy Land Of Germania, Baltic Nrc
Second. :P
Andenstistan, Esslea, The Great Moroccan Crown, Holy Land Of Germania, Baltic Nrc
Third. :D
Sho, Andenstistan, Esslea, The Great Moroccan Crown, Baltic Nrc
Fourth!
Viva Thalassia!
Sho, Andenstistan, Esslea, The Great Moroccan Crown, Baltic Nrc
Fifth!
Sho, Andenstistan, Esslea, The Great Moroccan Crown, Baltic Nrc
This feels so uncomfortable to move to a region that doesnt match up with my Mission name. >_<
Wiskawga, Sho, Andenstistan, Esslea, United Provices Of Goolata, Baltic Nrc
A fresh new Dino to mark a fresh start :D
Dino Pacifica Mission, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Esslea, Baltic Nrc
[Continuation of song in Pacifican RMB]
Bye Pacifica...
P R A I S E T H E E ! !
(play glorious version of Baby Mine first verses)
Wiskawga, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Indeed! :P
Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Lets hope that the move goes through smoothly and that we can ensure the continuity of Pacifica, at least in its community and culture.
Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Sho, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
To all new arrivals, please refrain from endorsing me until Rockiberg has a good majority. Also, welcome to Thalassia!
Edit: I think it's safe to go ahead and swap endorsements.
Czech Germania, Ayeinc, Sho, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
This is the first time I've been in the top ten in the region for anything.
Czech Germania, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Sho, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc, Cyclist Antifa
Post self-deleted by Silverbird Amaria.
New flag.
Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Holy Land Of Germania, Baltic Nrc
Cool.
Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
I'm currently the least corrupt government in this region. Wow.
Ayeinc, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc, Cyclist Antifa
Post by Maritagnia suppressed by Sho.
"God, I thought Pacifica was rightful, the shining city on hiiil, but in the end, we are not to bend, for its us they want to kiiiiiiiil
We are powerful and strong, democracy a plentyyyyy,, but compared to us now Pacifca is lookiiing deeee-eeeeeentyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I hope you liked my muscial number, I worked for ages on this, clearly"
-Edgelord Mcmemeyface
"Denty as it is
The Lev'lers are amiss
For they love democracy so much
They give fascism a kiss!"
Andenstistan
Hii 😃
Ayeinc, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Monkelandd, Baltic Nrc
Hello and welcome!
Toerana Iii, Nationific, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Just so you know, I relocated from Pacifica!
Yaldian Territories, Vaskrland, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
why did we all have to move here just because the founder is gone,
and also are we going to keep the old roleplay system.
ooh now im #1 in the region for defence forces, like i always hoped.
Toerana Iii, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Good to have you here with us! :)
It's safer and more secure if we have a Founder, and once the Delegacy is stable it will also allow us more freedom to do things like gather WA endorsements, something we had to cut way back on in Pacifica for security reasons.
My understanding is keeping the old RP system is the plan, yep.
(This is Cormac - I'm using this as my nation in the new region, at least for now).
Liruslau, Czech Germania, Toerana Iii, Nationific, Wiskawga, Sho, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
ok seems good
Vaskrland, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
All roleplay stuff transfers over, I can confirm that. The rewards will be held off for this week until I can get them updated and everything transfered over.
Czech Germania, Sho, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
exists
Hi guys :)
Liruslau, Czech Germania, Toerana Iii, Nationific, Wiskawga, Sho, Andenstistan
Hi hi! Welcome to Thalassia! :D
Isle Alexandra, Toerana Iii, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
That move definitely makes a change: still, looking forward to a new chapter in Pacifican history!
Wiskawga, Sho, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Thanks! Probably won't be involved too much, but wanted to at least have a nation in Pacifica's newest chapter after leaving Pacifica last May ^-^
Sho, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Thalassia Semper!
Hooray
For Thalassia!
Our home
And our land!
Where good stegos roam
Where free nations
Call home
And where freedom
Is our command!
The land of Thalassia
Of nobility, of truth
Where the righteous
Can come and spread their roots!
Our Thalassia,
Our Thalassia!
The noble...
And true!
Liruslau, Toerana Iii, Owl Archipelago, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc, Technocratic Terra
As much as we appreciate enthusiasm and pride, I think its best to spoiler all long texts for reasons. :)
Isle Alexandra, Liruslau, Czech Germania, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
There we are. Move succesful. :)
Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Comrades!
Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
The RMB rules are in effect. Please spoiler long text!
Hi and welcome Arthenas and Johanic! 😄
Isle Alexandra, Liruslau, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Hello people!
We have just released a draft of our Constitution! It is available to see over at helpful links, in WFE.
Give it a read and think of any things you may want to bring up when we will be discussing it! From September 26th to the 28th, a discussion will take place, followed by a ratification referendum.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1260965
Liruslau, Czech Germania, Toerana Iii, Yaldian Territories, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Vaskrland, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
When will elections be?
Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Please remember to snip long quotes! The dates for elections cannot be determined until a constitution is ratified.
Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Thks, and sorry I'm new could you send me the rules?
Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Its alright, and sure! Here they are: [spoiler=RMB Rules]https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1260641[/spoiler]
If you have any questions, please dont hesitate to contact me or the acting Minister of Information, Wiskawga!
Since youre new, you might find this helpful too:
[spoiler=Regional Welcome Dispatch]https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1260744[/spoiler]
Toerana Iii, Johanic, Andenstistan
I can't believe I missed this for a whole day. Whoops.
Time to form new bureaucracies and oversized military forces. And rewrite my factbook.
Czech Germania, Sho, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Per Wymondhams request:
I fully support this constitution, and I look forward to joining the rest of you once I am finished helping in Pacifica.
Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Hi friends,
I have chosen to use this transition as the right moment to focus my time in a different region. For a little while I have been thinking that Pacifica was not the perfect place for me, just in terms of the governance structure. I've chosen to keep my main nation in India, where there is more of a participatory democracy, as opposed to the structure here, and I'm glad I'm able to do that in a region that will still have close ties with Thalassia.
I didn't want to completely abandon so many friends here, so I've created another nation to leave here so I can still keep up to date on the next part of the journey.
Best wishes,
- V
Isle Alexandra, Grasswhistle, Liruslau, Maritagnia, Toerana Iii, Wiskawga, Dino Thalassian Mission, Andenstistan, Baltic Nrc
Why cant we have a Court or some sort of arbitrary board?
Baltic Nrc
Guys, look around, look around. How lucky we are to be alive right now! Look around, look around. How lucky we are to be alive right now!
(get it?)
Sauelsuesor
Mystery is happening. Manhattan? is? ???. In the greatest city, in the greatest city in the world.
I think
Baltic Nrc
Steps off the plane, and looks at the new homeland
Grasswhistle, Dwarf Land4, Baltic Nrc
NS courts are notoriously slow to act and routinely issue ridiculous rulings. As an example, the court of The North Pacific has in the past acquitted an individual who has twice perpetrated coups and massive native purges against TNP.
Given the moderation issues our community has regularly faced, we really don't need a court slowing things down and making bizarre rulings that allow guilty people to stick around causing disruption. We especially don't need it just because some people like to play prosecutor or judge. We need to do what's best for our community, not accommodate some people's individual niche preferences. A court system would be bad for our community and logistically impractical given our gameside focus.
I'll also note Pacifica had a court once before, under the Republic of Pacifica, and it utterly failed.
Also, the word you're looking for is arbitration board, though I'm sure its decisions would end up being arbitrary.
- Cormac
Isle Alexandra, Czech Germania, Dino Thalassian Mission, Baltic Nrc
History is happenin' in Manhattan and we just happen to be in the greatest city in the world! In the greatest city in the world!
Baltic Nrc
[spoiler=My response to Cormac]
I'm assuming you're referring to JAL? That's personal something relating to The North Pacific only. I'm not sure if we have acquitted us nor have other regions acquitted coupers. And personally? I think he should had been found guilty.
Frankly I disagree. When I was Chief Justice, the SecGen asked me to deliver a ruling regarding a trouble maker relating to moderation and it only took me 5 hours. Very speedy for a NS court, unlike TNP, a region you stated that was slow and problematic. I also find it silly that you think a court is an bad idea. You filed a writ on the old Pacifca forum, didn't you? The only trial ever.
Funny, because it only had one case ever and as I said above was because of you asking to court to approve a ban on the WAA Minister for treason. If it failed, it simply was because it wasn't used a court. You asked for no trial, just permission from the court to ban. Also no offense to Josh, I think he's a great guy, but he didn't do too much other than give input on a trial potentially regarding Qwabour, and resigned when Wymond became PM. Afterwards, the Court was completely vacant due to our silly system of having one justice and two other temporarily ones when a trial came. Wymond didn't have the time to get his CJ nominee passed and utterly withdrawn all of his nominees for cabinet following the dissolution of the Republic of Pacifica.
Most likely that's what it'd be. All it is would be an appeals board and be a judicial advisory board at the same time.
I would like to point out that I have no personal issues against you, Wymond, Josh, or anyone else. I just think that you are incorrect with your arguement.[/spoiler]
Baltic Nrc
Per Wymondhams request:
I agree with Cormac and that Dino's proposals would damage us and leave us open to toxic individuals being able to grab a hold of the community.
Baltic Nrc
[spoiler=Response to Dino]
I've seen issues with court systems in plenty of other regions, not just TNP. Including Pacifica. NS court systems aren't an efficient way to deal with troublemakers. Can you imagine if we'd had to wait for court rulings every time we had an issue in Pacifica? It's not practical.
Yes, I filed charges on the old Pacifica forum because at the time we had a court system, and that was the only way to handle the situation. And guess what? The situation didn't get handled by the court system at all. That's why we don't have a court anymore.
Uh, no, and frankly if you want to be involved in government at as high a level as running a judicial branch, you need to pay better attention to what actually goes on here. You're involved so many places and spread so thin you really don't have a firm grasp on what's happening in any of them, to be completely blunt with you. I filed criminal charges against the individual in question, and asked the court to approve a ban while the charges were being heard. The charges were never heard. You can blame Josh's activity level at the time all you want, but the fact of the matter is absurdly slow response is a frequent problem in court systems in many regions.
In regard to Pacifica's "silly" system at the time, that system existed because of the tiny number of people we had involved off-site at the time. You can't very well fill a three person court full-time when you've got about nine active people involved. Speaking of off-site platforms, it's worth noting that because we don't have off-site platforms anymore, any court system would be a logistical nightmare. We'd either have to use the government Discord server and invite criminals onto it for trials, establish a Discord server specifically for trials, or worse yet, conduct gameside trials via RMB. It's a logistical absurdity and we don't need it. We haven't had a court system for months in Pacifica and we've been doing fine without one, by relying on commonsense moderation instead of people wanting to play a Law & Order RP and not doing a very good job of it.
There is absolutely no reason to have a judicial system here except that you want one because you like to play in judicial systems. That's not a good enough reason. And given you're already involved in other regions' judicial systems, do you really need to spread yourself just a little bit thinner still and get involved in one here? I really don't think you do.
- Cormac[/spoiler]
Johanic, Baltic Nrc
50 Nations! 🎉
Isle Alexandra, Liruslau, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Wiskawga, Sho, Rockiberg, Johanic, Baltic Nrc
Tell me if I'm out of line here but can we vote on the courts thing? I mean surely it's our right as a democracy 2 . Once again tell me if I'm out of line
Happy 2 be part of it
Toerana Iii, Baltic Nrc
The constitution draft will be voted on. :)
Do you have a nation in the World Assembly? If not, you should check out our guide on how to join. I bring this up because only WA members will be able to vote on the new constitution and the elections that will occur once a constitution is ratified.
- Cormac
Isle Alexandra, Toerana Iii, Wiskawga, Sho, Johanic, Dino Thalassian Mission, Baltic Nrc
ok that's great but after that will we vote on the court system?
Baltic Nrc
Post by Neo-Byzantinium suppressed by Thalassia Founder.
I was told regions sometimes have discords, do you guys have one?
I use discord a lot it would be an easy way to get a hold of me
We don't have a Discord open to the public.
Toerana Iii, Wiskawga, Dino Thalassian Mission, Neo-Byzantinium, Baltic Nrc
only a government one, as im pretty sure they think that having a discord would take away from the game, and make the rmb unnused
Neo-Byzantinium, Baltic Nrc
[spoiler=My furious response]This is utterly false and frankly slanderous. You saying I do not pay attention to the landscape of regions is an outright lie. For 4 months now, I have been serving as the Tatenda Chief Justice and Associative Justice for two other months. I always look into the region every week and voice my opinion on its matters. When I became Associative Justice, we had to deal with an important court case. I have been Associative Justice for less than 2 weeks and I gave a very detailed and quick opinion after oral arguments had concluded. And you know what? The Chief Justice didnt bother to write out their opinion and just said they concur with my argument. In other cases, I have also tried to make things go speedy.
Unfortunately, the other two justices arent as active as me so the court has been going slow with its rulings. And to reply to your claim saying court cases on a Discord Server wouldnt work, then you are out right wrong. Tatenda doesnt have a forum either (and it never did) and we still have court cases on its server. I understand Pacificas situation and I dont support making a new community server unless proved to bring back one. But that doesnt mean we cant have cases. Theres a thing called Direct Message Groups. I can hold a trial on there, then discuss on a separate one with the other Justices with out opinions and announce back in the other group regarding our ruling (and publicly announce it too). Hell, I can even probably screenshot everything in both DM groups and put it in a dispatch.
To say I dont how to run a Judiciary branch is just slanderous. And to echo what I said before, as Chief Justice of Pacifica, it only took me a mere few hours to deliver a ruling. (note the following screenshots dont include the full discussion between me and Minime. Just highlighting some parts to prove my point)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/417305636251107332/624710534398476317/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/417305636251107332/624710996304592906/unknown.png
Of course by now the time frame has disappeared due to it being 4 months but feel free to ask Minime if hes okay with it. Hell say that it only took a few hours, if only one-two hours. The ruling was never publicly announced because Minime had decided with the RC that the Regional Council should be the supreme Judiciary, Legislature, and Executive and my job as Chief Justice of Pacifica would be just to advise. As I said above, we could just make this court into a judicial advisory board and only be for legal questions. And if we really wanted to, it would be temporarily until no longer needed.
Saying that I dont pay attention to Pacifica is bull. While its true thats i am in 5 or so regions, it doesnt mean I care less or care more for a region. Regions Im inactive in tend to no longer have a puppet there. I used to be in Force with a puppet and left due to inactivity. I used to be Warzone Europe. I got thrown out because I got slandered by someone who did it for political gain. I joined Pacifica I. February and still have been active in it. You saying I dont pay attention is also just slanderous. Yes, I have been inactive for some times, but I returned under Minime and then returned when DRUS became SecGen/when you became the interim Delegate.
I like you Cormac but I cannot stand for this slander. No where did I say that I wanted to return as Thalassias Chief Justice. All I suggested was perhaps brining one back, and you keep saying that I only want it to expand my legal resume. Sure, Id like to be Thalassias CJ, but thats not why Im suggesting brining it back. I have said this multiple times, it can just be an advisory that interprets the law. It doesnt have to handle criminal cases. So many of my NS friends and even non NS friends (just NS colleagues) have asked me for Legal interpretations of things. And thats why I have a big Legal resume in NS. All of my NS friends say that the good thing I am actually good at in NS is the Legal field, and people have been trying to kill it off.
All I did was suggest brining back a Court, and now we arent discussing brining back a court, rather, were having this petty and useless argument about my NS Legal career. I ask you to redact your slanderous comment said immediately.[/spoiler]
Zentata, Baltic Nrc
Anything spoilered with "My furious response" isn't going to end well if it further escalates, so what I've done is chosen not to read this post, and what I will instead do is apologize for going into irrelevant details about your involvement in other regions. It was uncalled for, it was unnecessary, and it was beneath me. So I hope you will accept my apology and we can move on.
On the topic of a judiciary, I've said all I have to say about it and will leave others to continue discussing the idea, or not. I remain opposed to one but I have no interest in getting into a heated argument about it, and I hope this one has been diffused.
Once again, apologies to everyone, especially Dino, for the unnecessary escalation.
- Cormac
Maritagnia, Dino Thalassian Mission, Baltic Nrc
Thank you Cormac, and I apologize for titling my spoiler as such. I hope we can move pass this.
Maritagnia, Vaskrland
And this is why I love Paci I mean, Thalassia.
Liruslau, Czech Germania, Ayeinc, Dino Thalassian Mission
On a less serious note- When you guys read our regions name, Thalassia, how do you pronounce it? I've seen some pretty varied responses, so I'm just curious. :)
Czech Germania, Toerana Iii, Dino Thalassian Mission, Baltic Nrc
Thuh-LASS-ee-uh
TA-lass-ee-uh
Well said!
Also, I usually pronounce it
Tha-LASS-ee-uh.
Baltic Nrc
I alternate between Tha-lass-ee-uh and Tha-lay-she-uh.
Baltic Nrc
Post by Neo-Byzantinium suppressed by Thalassia Founder.
hey some guy from 'the levellers' just sent me a telegram. asked me if I would spy on you guys. should we be worried about that or are they nothing?
I pronounce it Thuh-lass-ee-uh with stress on the lass. I presume the name comes from the root thalasso- meaning sea (used in the word thalassocracy) so I follow the pronunciation of that root.
Sho, Baltic Nrc
Basically The-loss-ee-uh but "the" is asperated.
Greetings. Could you please either join the World Assembly or, if you already have a WA nation, disclose it?
You can find details on how to join the WA here.
Baltic Nrc
Post by Neo-Byzantinium suppressed by Thalassia Founder.
thanks I joined
Post self-deleted by Maritagnia.
Post by Neo-Byzantinium suppressed by Thalassia Founder.
I wasn't planning on it it is kinda weird if your stalking a page for new players to bribe or whatever the hell
Resigned from WA?
Baltic Nrc
Post by Neo-Byzantinium suppressed by Thalassia Founder.
I
don't like the idea of a overreaching entity over all individual nations, kinda stanch position there, I did not read up what is actually was
Ah, I was once staunchly anti-WA myself. It certainly has it's benefits, depending on the region and their set up, but whatever works, region to region I suppose.
Toerana Iii, Baltic Nrc
Alternatively, after I reported you on suspicion of WA multying, NationStates moderators likely told you to resign one of your WA nations from the WA as is standard practice for multying when it's a first time offense.
I think that's the more plausible explanation, don't you?
When and if you have a WA nation to disclose to me by telegram, you can rejoin the region -- and not a moment sooner.
Baltic Nrc
I don't like the WA, mostly because its function is to legislate the world and I dislike legislation. Also too much stuff is proposed and passed. Its whole structure is also fundamentally broken, as a majority can essentially oppress a minority. What's that, 40% of the vote was against? Oh well, screw that 40% of the WORLD.
Czech Germania, Baltic Nrc
In addition, it works on a massively influential snowball vote. Intelligent voters aside, the large majority of voters base their vote off of whatever vote is most popular. As such, if a bunch of people vote in favor of a proposal as soon as it enters referendum, then that would likely result in that proposal having a majority in favor over time.
Then, theres also the problem of botting and puppeting. Im sure that there are some people who bot tons of puppets into the WA with separate emails.
Its just a vulnerable system overall and I dont believe that it serves its purpose well.
It could use an overhaul, vote wise. I like it more for its applications outside of voting, in terms of regional security.
Baltic Nrc
Happy to trade endorsements since we are in a new reigion.
Baltic Nrc
That would probably work in eliminating that problem, but it could come with mixed results. One key thing to consider is that most of the time, the majority is right, so letting voters see what the current vote is can give them a sense of direction. The problem comes when they take that majority as an answer to every proposal and dont use it correctly - as a base opinion to consider while reading the full proposal or looking at discussion threads.
Its really just an overall lack of education in voters that makes the WA such a stupid system. The simplest way to solve that would be by having only some nations vote, in the form of a sort of council. However, thats never really gonna happen.
Tha-L-As-s-ia? I honestly dont know.
Tha - lass - e - ah
Honestly, the best thing is to start RP
Sooo...
RP
The nation of Maritagnia announces the launch of the country's new news channel, the Maritagnian News Company (MNC), for the purposes of information broadcasting (duh), as well as practical and educative subjects such as documentaries, home economics and life living, in addition to entertainment such as game shows, cartoons, and movies.
RP
The Ayeincian National Broadcasting Corporation responds by proposing a contract with the MNC. This contract allows Ayeincian shows to be broadcasted in Maritagnia and vice versa.
[sub](*sneaks in to post RP Rules for folks, so there are no questions later* Also, Thalassia Roleplay Rewards is working on getting up and running, so have fun roleplaying~!)[/sub]
Czech Germania, Toerana Iii, Ayeinc, Johanic, Dino Thalassian Mission
RP
The nation of Maritagnia requests a listing and a viewing of the Ayeincian shows for review and shall send the previous but with Maritagnian shows for review by the ANBC. Some Maritagnian shows include The Yaldian (a story about differences and understanding), Marcaza (the story of the first foreigner from the Four Nations of Origination) and Callaoh and the Gap of Gandnigogan (a modern retelling of a classic Maritagnian fairy tale).
Watch out: here comes Mediocre Idea Liruslau![sub]TM[/sub]
For the next factbook contest, why dont we do pets of leaders?
Czech Germania, Toerana Iii, Wiskawga, Sho, Johanic
Thats different. I like~! 😄
Liruslau
Hello
Is there a role play map?
Toerana Iii
Not sure if the Pacifica RP Map still applies here but it might.
Toerana Iii, Johanic
Thks
Yes
It does still apply
could u tag it?
Toerana Iii
I added the RP Guide to the WFE for convenience. This guide has links to the RP Map, the Rewards Program, and the RP Rules. Go and check it out!
Toerana Iii
Could I have:
Nation Name: Johanic
Desired Capital City Name: Wada
Desired Nation Slot: 25
Desired Capital Position: I don't Mind
Johanic, I am not the Minister of Culture. Please check the RP Guide for more information.
Toerana Iii
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