Post Archive
Region: Thalassia
RP
[spoiler=News Coverage of Protests]
"We have live coverage of the protests, really riots outside of the Belmont Hotel."
"This of course all started when Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Manuel Calaba invited the Prime Minister of Grey County to Hopal to discuss an investigation into the Baltic NRC scandal. Protests broke out outside of the Belmont Hotel where the Prime Minister was staying. One side supported the investigation while the other supported the Manion Administration. Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Manuel Calaba ordered police officers to disband the protests while Deputy Prime Minister John Leswig ordered the military to protect the protesters and talk to the officers. But when the military showed up the officers or rather Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Manuel Calaba saw this as a threat and they were ordered to fire. A battle broke outwith protesters taking sides with the Pro-investigation people siding with the officers and the Pro-Manion people siding with the military. When the Prime Minister of Grey County and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Hopal left the next day protesters threw stuff at their helicopter. Seeing their former master flee the country police officers started working with the military to contain the protester or now rioters. They are now mostly under control but the area has been left looking like a war zone.
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[spoiler=Cabinet Meeting]
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs John Leswig sits at the head of the cabinet table thinking about what he had done and what was ahead. He had never supported the Jack Nicholls Administration and yet here he was defending the worst parts of it. Killing People in the defence of wrongdoing. But he knew that he had to move to continue the functions of government that the people so desperately relied on, he could resign, he could step down, he had to move on, to move forward, because no one else would, no one else would have the courage to move forward in the wake of such tragedy of which they were so responsible. They are people out there who relied on him to continue, not to stop the government and to move on. But how should they approach this new reality, they couldn't approach this as business as usual because it very obviously wasn't. Their Chief Justice and really only Justice of the Supreme Court had fled the country, riots were engulfing the capital, half of the country had been destroyed by Hurricane Amy, and the international community was turning against them. "Well how do we approach this" A Minister asked.
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[spoiler=Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Manuel Calaba]
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Manuel Calaba woke up ashamed of himself that morning he had abandoned his country one that he had worked so hard to shape. But he knew deep down that this was his chance to make his country even greater he had never imagined this day would come when he could disprove once and for all democracy, the international community was behind him, and he could prove that democracy led to incompetent leaders and only he could bring true justice and equality to all. Meritocracy in his mind was the best system of government, he had originally left for Hopal escaping an incompetent regime brought forth by democracy, he had seen his own country engulfed by an incompetent regime brought forth by democracy, but now was his chance to make a utopia based on a system of meritocracy and justice. He walked into the Prime Minister's office feeling good about himself.
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Edit: OOC: Wow I had worked for a while on this post just saw Grey County's post now and that was right on time, so good job. Can you read minds?
Monkelandd, Aaurumnia
RP
The PM proposes this to the Chief Justic. I have begun planning for something. My Allie Conklandi has begun to take controll of Hopals economy so that they dotn have money to fund a conflict. We have the support of Nationific and Monkelandd It appears. I think we overthrow the government then make you governor of it as our colony and once we have controll we give it independence and you can do what you want. What do you say.
OOC:THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL NOBODY BUT THE PM AND CHIEFJUSTICE KNOW. basically u cant use this yet
Post self-deleted by The Outer Union.
This movie gets better with every word.
Hello hello!
Nationific, Monkelandd
Hello there
Amrushika, Monkelandd
(sorry but I couldn't resist jumping in)
It's sad to see Thalassia go down this path.
A mere 100 days ago we had a debate around an amendment in relation to becoming a Constitutional Monarchy. In response to my, to be blunt, fear mongering surrounding the change of title, Arenado, a member of the IC, assured you this:
While I predicted this:
I am disappointed to see that this administration is unwilling to try and fix the democratic system, in stead choosing to scrap it entirely due to the supposed inactivity of the most recent (and possibly past) governments.
I apologise to those of you who believe that it isn't my place to comment on Thalassian Affairs, I did leave the region after all, but I implore Thalassians to make their voice heard and fight for a democratic system, as opposed to a most likely meritocratic system, that would take its place. A system in which Thalassians would loose their voice, regardless of the merits the system may have.
I'll stick around until I'm either ejected or leave again of my own free will.
Nationific, Monkelandd
Your President's gone right? The Outer Union
God I'm so inactive and clueless.
The Outer Union
Still there... We literally where supposed to have a meeting 3-5 days ago
Edit: 12 days ago
You probably dont know me but might remember my former nation Lapents.
Before this I was our seputy MOS and from what I have heard there will be democracy in the new government so I dont get how reorganizing government is a dictatorship. The government isnt scrapping its "democratic ideals" its trying to fix government inactivity which is a problem. Just my opinon but thought I would chime in. Also we dont normally eject people for their opinons unless they are like facist and 1 more thing This wasnt "the administration" not being willing to try and fix it. This want decided on by cabinet which I know because I was in cabinet and was still surprised
Toerana Ii, Nationific, Monkelandd
You are always welcome in Thalassia, to the best of my knowledge. And.... Welcome back, I guess?
Monkelandd
RP
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Manuel Calaba answers with a simple "Sure"
This move was done without a constitutional amendment. Nowhere in the constitution is any body given the power to scrap the constitution entirely and demolish its government. If this was a true reorganising, then a new constitution would be put to vote for the current constitution would be, most likely, heavily amended. Neither of these happened, no citizen beside a select few has a say. This is incredibly out of character for a region like Thalassia, which promotes its democratic ideals. The government system doesn't inherently lead to inactivity, it just happened that some people who were elected were inactive. That can happen in any democratic system, therefore, this would mean that all democratic systems, encourage short term activity, not long term bursts.
Inactivity isn't based off the system of governance, there are always exceptions, but this is not one of them.
Grey County
I get what you are saying but a interim constitution is being prepared right now. I wish this wasnt the case but I get why the are doing it
EDIT
RP
The military has moved to stage 4 "state of war likely"
Monkelandd
You don't completely axe a government and constitution and *then* introduce a brand new one. This is extraordinarily worrying that the public was not forewarned about such a move.
Grey County
I do wish that we knew with some sort of advance and there are some risk but hopefullty its better in the end
Toerana Ii
I'll be on now onwards? so Tomorrow?
Sure
Amboron
So, Toerana, you left the region nearly 3 months ago, why are you re-emerging rn to try and stir some rubbish, stop coming back to try and stir up trouble. This is for Thalassia to deal with, not people coming back solely to stir up trouble for Curse words and giggles
Owl Archipelago, Monkelandd, Grey County, Amboron
I am pleased to announce that Owl Archipelago has been invited to join the Interim Council as we work on the Interim Constitution to forge a new path forward for our region. Thank you for your patience. Semper Thalassia!
Wymondham1, Ayeinc, Owl Archipelago, Monkelandd, Melodi Isles, Grey County, Amboron
Honestly the public has not objected to this. It's much more of a restructuring than us "going down the wrong path." Rest assured, if the people's voices aren't heard in any way, I'll be the first one to object. Needless to say, Aren, Wym, and Sho especially have led us through some tough times, so I have confidence in them.
Nationific, Ayeinc, Veaetmar, Grey County, Amboron
agreed
Badivermeraed, Amboron
Hi Mr wym this is Toeranas father and im very concerned about how you are talking to my son. I would like for you to issue a formal apology to my son to restore your own honour. Mocking and bullying such a stand up Thalassian as Toerana is beneath you, sir! Toerana fought against tyranny in the first Thalassian war and this is how he is rewarded. I must say I expected more from such an upstanding and moral region such as this one. Respecting our troops should be the number one priority. If you do not retract your false and quite frankly derogatory statements we will have to take you to court for slander. And I will have you know I have some of the best attorneys on speed dial for these very occasions. After im done with you you wont even have enough money to rent an apartment in francograd!
Im looking forward to hearing back from you and wish you all the best,
Kyorgia Blackfyre
Toerana Ii, Nationific
I started a go fund me for wym
Nationific, Veaetmar, Amboron
After careful deliberation with IC, I would like to present to you the Interim Constitution of Thalassia. In the interest of time and security, this Constitution is being enacted whilst the IC continues its work on the final document. This will not include meritocracy but it will include a democratically elected legislature. More members of the IC will be added in time as we move forward to ensure that it best represents Thalassia as a region. Semper Thalassia!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1421858
Clarkstan, Nationific, Ayeinc, Arenado, Monkelandd, Amboron
Lmao Kyo
Nationific
Thanks for all the support dad
Just because I left 3 months go does not mean I can't state my opinion. Thalassians didn't have a say, which is why I am here.
Grey County
Thanks for being our super hero we didnt need
Kyorgia, Wymondham1, Toerana Ii, Nationific, Ayeinc, Veaetmar, Sho, Owl Archipelago, Thalassia Founder, Arenado, Monkelandd, The 3Nd German Republic, Melodi Isles, Amboron
The residents of Thalassia are the one's who should decide whether they have a say or not. I'm sorry, but your opinions do not matter here anymore.
Wymondham1, Nationific, Sho, Monkelandd, Grey County
They can't decide that when they lack that option.
Nationific, Grey County
Can we all calm down here? Let's just give this a shot to see if it works, if not: okay, let's just tweak the system.
Nationific, Grey County, Amboron
Just because Ive been gone for several months and Im completely out of the loop doesnt mean I cant shout my opinions on the RMB about what the inhabitants of a region can or cant do
Nationific, Ayeinc, Sho, Monkelandd, Sebero Sree, Grey County, Amboron
There is no clause for amendation to the constitution and was passed without a vote.
Nationific, Grey County
don't forget HES Our superhero lol
Nationific, Monkelandd
Okay, so this means something happened in the higher-ups end and needed to resolve things... On closed doors... Besides we just found out, and you are already giving it criticism with not even a month in
Now excuse me... SOMEONE GIVE ME MY TEA!!!!
Monkelandd
... that's my point
That's why it's called an... Interim... Constitution...
*Confused face*
Clarkstan, Monkelandd, Grey County, Amboron
The citizens have made it clear to you we dont need u speaking for us
Sho, Monkelandd, Amboron
Okay.... It means they need to fix some if necessary all of the system
Amboron
Cool
I'll continue to speak for myself then
🙄 There is also nothing in the constitution giving it a time limit, meaning in theory it can go on indefinitely.
I do not believe that'll happen, but the new constitution replaced the old one without any opportunity for the public to say anything.
How do we know that it won't happen again?
Grey County
do you not understand what thalassias Ideals are
Monkelandd
Why so much drama?
give it some time and if someone doesn't feel good with the new rules then... THAT COUNTRY CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE
Nationific, Sho, Monkelandd, Grey County, Amboron
Democracy, Liberty & Solidarity
As has been at the top of the WFE from the founding of the region until today.
Nationific
It still is the ideals of the region though
Then why are they being ignored by this new government?
They are literally working their asses off to help Thalassia. They dont plan on it being permanent and any nation can leave at any time.
Monkelandd, The Outer Union
I'm not saying they aren't working hard, they certainly are, but, they proved today that they are willing to do something incredibly significant without so much as a mention to the region at large beforehand.
As I have said before, nothing in the constitution says it is only meant to be temporary, meaning it could in theory continue indefinitely.
These do not follow Thalassian values, with the possible exception of "Liberty." They haven't banned me, which is nice (thanks sho).
The constitution will be temporary. They've already outlined their plans for a new government structure. This fuss over rules and such is absurd when no one in thalassia is complaining :P
whats going on idk what any of this means or who toerana II is and why are there suddenly 34 new messages in the RMB there has not been this much text seance the grey county civil war
Nationific, Amboron
We suspended the constitution and have inststed a interim government NON RP
Monkelandd
NON RP:
We're having an administrative re-organisation, with the support of the PM and the vast majority of the populace, there's an interim constitution and we're working on a new one
Ayeinc, Owl Archipelago, Monkelandd, Grey County
RP
The PM walks up to the Podium and begins his speech "My fellow citizens, Our northern neighbors in Hopal have used their military to hold our diplomats hostage. They are corrupt and We dont believe they have their citizens best interests at heart. With this in mind we are offering them a deal. They can become a province of Grey COunty with the chief justice as their governor or there will be war. We will not tolerate this corrupt nation holding us hostage. Thank you
RP
The head of the Investigation of the missing 10 rifles and 10 anti air weapons came out with the following testifying to Congress
"I hearby confirm to testify about the ongoing investigation of the missing Weaponry. After some time and some place of the crime scene we have, on the behalf of the Investigation teams, the following:
1. The culprits must have been military trained, there is no other way the culprits can steal an anti air weapon.
2. The culprits had it pre-planned and precise in order to move forward... Otherwise they could immediately get caught.
3. The crime happened in District 6 from the rifles and District 3 from the Anti air weapons.
4. We managed to get three and interrogate them for answers...
5. The culprits aren't from here... The come from a foreign country... Meaning we might need more tougher security
6. After a very extensive look, they are confirmed to be from Grey Country.... And maybe more ....
That is all we have Congress"
Monkelandd, Grey County
RP
The PM will comment on this soon but says he has his suspicions
The Congress also has their suspicion
Grey County
RP
Statement from the AAurumnia government:
In view of the current events that could trigger a war, in 30 minutes a convoy will leave for the conflict zone. Which is expected to arrive in 48 hours. The convoy will be made up of 3 hospital ships, 3 submarines, 4 frigates, 2 destroyers and a tanker.
Grey County
RP
The PM can confirm that it was a monarchist ectremist group that supprts the former king. He condemmnd them and says thet he prays for The Outer Union
The Congress thanks them for their cooperation of finding the culprit and is requesting to turn the culprits to be trialed in their nation
Grey County
RP
The PM will turn all over except one who currently holds confidential Grey County information. They will most likely be executed.
The Outer Union appreciates the cooperation from Grey County they shall expect trial soon as they arrive
Amboron
I like the fact that how y'all switched to RP from needless gov-nonsense within just one post.
Clarkstan, Hellaflylandia, Aaurumnia, Hydrolist, Amboron
Toerana Ii, I understand that you do not trust nor like this government. Isn't that why you left? You didn't agree with where Thalassia was going, so you decided to leave, and that is completely valid and understandable. And now you come back, just to attack Sho Wym, Aren and Owl when they are doing their best to help Thalassia. I believe that Sho, and every other member of the IC have the best interests of Thalassia in mind, just like they did when we moved from Pacifica. If you do not trust them, leave. The citizens of Thalassia do not need you to represent our opinions for us, nor do we need you to debate over something that does not concern you. If you do not like what is happening, leave. For your sake and ours.
Wymondham1, Nationific, Sho, Zentata, Arenado, Holing, Grey County, Amboron
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1422067
A dispatch has been created to spare you from the long message. We stress that nothing major will happen in terms of Selstville-Thalassia commitment for now.
Nationific, Monkelandd
RP
Hopal has till the end of the day to accept our terms or we will go to war
Nationific
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If ya'll want an autocratic government then I suppose I'll leave you to it.
It's a real shame that the region is continuing to leave its democratic past behind and is being sucked into the Meritocratic sphere.
Never said we wanted anAutocracy
Monkelandd
They haven't even started, not will this be Autocracy
RP
The second phase of Conklandi retaliation against Hopal Ii has begun.
The Conklandi government has disclosed that they have $10 trillion worth of Hopalese currency that were dropped over Hopal Ii a week ago.
If hostilities carry on against Thalassia, it will drop more currency until "the locals use them for toilet paper".
If done, the Conklandi Fund will be earning at an estimated minimum of $12 trillion.
Nationific, Grey County
This region was not an autocracy, is not an autocracy, and will never be an autocracy. Whatever is happening, is happening with the welfare of the region in mind and in the interest of the people which doesn't seem autocratic in any manner to me or anyone in the region I suppose. You are the only one who is objecting the move which I also believe is an internal matter of the region you aren't even a part of anymore.
Nationific, Monkelandd, The Outer Union
Wow mate, well put but wow
Nationific, Monkelandd, Amboron
Do the diplomatic talk thing now?
Nationific, The Outer Union
Sure, If your okay with it
Nationific, Amboron
RP
President Wilson and President of The Outer Union Mrs.Lopez leave for the Horizon Auditorium in Ambopolis.
Nationific, Monkelandd, The Outer Union
RP
President Mrs. Lopez asks President Wilson from Amboron if this was his first time doing a diplomatic talk
Nationific, Amboron
Have- have you read the interm constitution? We're moving away from meritocracy, not towards lol.
Nationific, Monkelandd
RP
President Wilson says that this is his first time having a diplomatic talk and is glad that he is the host in this scenario.
Nationific, The Outer Union
RP
President Lopez also says likewise and is honored to have diplomatic talks with you
Nationific, Amboron
RP
President Wilson and President Lopez reach the Horizon Auditorium and take a seat to have diplomatic talks. President Wilson asks President Lopez about the things that she wants done to strengthen the bond between The Outer Union and Amboron.
Nationific, The Outer Union
RP
The Conklandi would like to strengthen relations with The Outer Union and Amboron via embassies.
Nationific, The Outer Union, Amboron
RP
The Conklandi would like to strengthen relations with The Outer Union and Amboron via embassies.
Nationific
RP
Amboron would like to send Talia Nightingale as an ambassador. Whom would Conklandi like to send as their representative?
Nationific
RP
The President take a paper and stated the following:
"As Allies, The Outer Union states the following
1. Any attacks made to Amboron will be Will result in a military counterstrike by The Outer Union
2. Both nation's will have unrestricted borders
3. Both nation's military can attend to any military events if it is authorized
4. Both nations will work together in business and workforce
5. If needed for investigations, the nations have the right to accept and reject the request
This is what we came up and will be presented and modified by the two nations"
The President finished
Nationific
RP
Conklandi would like to send Mr Alam Algenis.
Nationific
Conklandi we already have embassies in both our nations, we forgot, lol. That was unprofessional of us.
RP
President Wilson agrees to all the terms listed by President Lopez and then they leave for the Presidential Palace after a small press conference.
Nationific, The Outer Union
RP
The Outer Union will sent Alex Goingson as the ambassador
The President was delighted to be here and thanks President Wilson for the time being here
Amboron
President Wilson says that he was delighted to host President Lopez and goes on to request an embassy in The Outer Union.
The Outer Union
The government will send Mandel Vo Abrica
The Outer Union, Amboron
No response to Mr.Wilson's request? The Outer Union
The Outer Union
I was but the system was down!
Also
RP
Very well, corklandi
Amboron
Post self-deleted by The Outer Union.
RP
Joseph Schneider VII, the son of Joseph Schneider VI, has risen to the need of the nation and is now the Supreme Leader of Hydrolist. He wishes to make a trip to Nationific on 22nd August as was the wish of his father before he suffered a heart attack. The Supreme Leader shall be leaving for Nationific on the 21st of August at 10:35 p.m. sharp.
The Hydrolistian Government hopes that Nationific does not have any problems. If they do then they are free to let us know. The trip shall be postponed to a later date in such a case.
Nationific
RP
President Lopez accept the request and will send Ms. Jane Longfield as the Ambassador
Amboron
Post self-deleted by Amboron.
RP
President Wilson says that he would like to send Talia Nightingale as its representative in The Outer Union. He also says that he will be accompanying President Lopez to the airport for her flight back to Outer Union.
The Outer Union
RP
Nation Guy will be delighted to host Mr. Schneider on the mentioned date and says that there will be no problem and that the Supreme Leader shall enjoy true Nationifician Hospitality.
An aide sniggers after Nation Guy finishes writing the communiqué, commenting, under her breath of course, that the folks at the Nationific City Hall of Commerce now only need to change the name on those banners put up days ago.
She is overheard by the President, and is given a stern look.
Hydrolist, Amboron
RP
President Lopez is delighted to hear that and will send their ambassador after their return
OOC: updates here of embassies
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_outer_union/detail=factbook/id=1410175
Amboron
RP
The Cabinet of Hopal has issued a statement saying
"We must apologize to the people of Hopal while we have tried to deescalate the situation, we simply cannot. And the people who are suffering the most are weakest among us, those who have so heavily relied on government to provide the most basic of necessities and who now find themselves with a dysfunctional government. We have tried to reconcile with Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Manuel Calaba but to no avail. When he sent in police officers to disband protesters, peaceful protesters let us remember our government stepped out of its way to protect our sacred right to protest, to gather, to make our voice heard. And while he used violence to disband protesters, we instructed our soldiers to discuss the ongoing situation and to try to get some agreement. But they relented our efforts to make peace, in favour of a violent overthrow of our government. We did not hold officials of the Grey County government hostage, let us remember they willingly entered the hotel even with protesters stationed outside. Our military stood by and they ordered not to shoot, our government did instruct these protesters they acted on their own will, knowing the consequences. Our government has not shown hostility to international community and we hope to work with other countries to make our world a better place. We will work to investigate links between our government and the government of Baltic Nrc as well as delta.corp let us remember that Conklandi and Grey County both worked and sought to acquire delta.corp, which propped up the Baltic Nrc regime, we hope that the people of our country recognize that no government is perfect but we can work to remove our flaws and imperfections and we will take steps to make our government better.
Nationific, Monkelandd
RP
The German Government asks if it can buy land from Arenado and Greater New Briton.
OOC:this is the last land I want but take a look in the Factbook below.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1405765
Nationific
RP
A leak from the office of Vera Sitriko, the Monkeish ambassador to The 3Nd German Republic indicated that she would be withdrawing the embassy soon. The leaked memo told her staff: "the [foreign] minister has discussed with me the issues presented with the 3rd Republic. I have tried to convince [Josh] Henderson [the German ambassador] to back down, but he resists. The Republic's empire-building attempts, and its ties with Baltic NRC have lead me to consider closing this [embassy] and ceasing relations with the Republic. I have tried to prevent this, but my attempts have been futile. I am deeply sorry that I have failed you."
~~BREAKING NEWS: EMBASSY WITH THE 3RD GERMAN REPUBLIC WITHDRAWN~~
Vera Sitriko responded to the leak, and admitted to its truth and withdrawing the embassy. In her address, she urged Hydrolist to withdraw its embassy too.
Nationific, The 3Nd German Republic, Aaurumnia, Hydrolist, Amboron
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.