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Region: The Mystical Council
I had a thought on the poll length. As a compromise, could we have multiple polls at once? That way, it won't take 3-4 weeks to vote on 7 things.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
Because in AU912 original idea they were not separate titles. Read his proposal as Plugo changed it later in his version
Northwest Germania
'royal decree 1: 'my government shall listen to its people - and it will listen carefully in a transparent manner." '
you are not listening to your people, you are listening to a couple people who favor your ideas.
Exotic Lemon
fair enough, but he was for the ministry
Your both wrong.
Click on AU912's dispatch and scroll down to the office of Prime Minister. This change was not "minor". It created another office. I'm not opposed to it. In fact, I actually like Plugo's idea better. But after we're done messing around with 912's idea, we need to send it right back to the legislature for approval.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
text of original idea here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=689291
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Lets take an unoffial poll. Who here feels forestavia was wrong to issue those decrees? I stand on that side. And who here feels that forestavia is right? Feel free to stay neutral.
"Powers: as per current temporary gov't (all positions optional)"
in the temp govt, the prime minister and delegate where separate positions.
How selected / replaced: elected by popular vote for fixed terms, impeached, or removed by WA Delegate or Founder in an emergency
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon
It is the basic principle of any elected government to carry out the will of the people. Therefore they must listen to them, even the minority or they are nothing more than a dictatorship. Do you really think making the government accountable to the people is a bad thing?
Forestavia
the people don't want this, each side in this is pushing their own agenda.
Parakka Northland
Forestavia I just don't agree with you on these issues. Your reasons, however noble, are fairly unpopular.
Northwest Germania
I am going to be a neutral vote. I felt the decrees were heavy handed, but well meaning. Still, the fewer decrees in the future, the better. It means the region is working well.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
Well, let's see if we can try to work together. Are we in agreement that the Lunar Council should be 5 or 3? 7 is too big.
I might possibly resign the delegacy in a few days. Not sure yet so dont quote me on it. But if I cant help this region then there is no point in me staying here.
Civilisunio, Northwest Germania
are they official officers or just unofficial?
If you mean the lc as judicial unappointed, 5.
if you mean regional government: 0
So you disagree with the basic principle that the elected government should listen to the people?
Civilisunio
I disagree with him using his royal decrees and emergency powers. I agree with him standing up for the people. However, I feel his attempt to stand up for the people backfired, at least partially since our prime minister candidate left along with 2 more candidates.
Civilisunio
Whatever. I get the feeling your side doesn't like having their feet held to the fire of accountability. You've already made up your mind and so have I. So let's try to work together so that I don't have to keep issuing decrees. Decrees are part of the problem right? That's your claim. Ok, well. Let's work out the details in AU912's framework so that this Decree business doesn't keep happening. Let's move slowly, not rushing into anything. We have a government system. Let's hash out some details. Otherwise this meeting is a waste of my time. I'm not here to be grilled.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I'm assuming we're going to pick up with the members that are still left. They are official and elected by the people from the former government.
getting grilled is part of political dissent. It is necessary. You think I want parakka following me everywhere with a barbecue? I still like you, even if I disagree with your actions.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
I meant do they hold an office with powers?
Ok we got an answer in the end. Though effectivly your saying it's all his fault. If we were to flip this issue on its head it could be said that the reason his decree was issued in the first place was because of you and other individuals who didn't make things clear and or changed things without the people concent. As such rather than blame one side or the other it would seem sensible to give both sides equal blame for this mess
Forestavia
this event should show that this region isn't meant to be a monarchy.
i would still like to salvage au's proposal tho
Forestavia, Civilisunio
True that. :)
Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
sure blame me. You would love to see me gone wouldn't you? finally claim that delegates seat you want so bad. I take responsibility for my own mistakes. I apologize if i caused confusion.
Northwest Germania
It says "no official powers". I'm guessing they could hold something nominal like appearance or communications, but not both. That's how I interpret it.
AU912, am I right on that?
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon
I thought it would just be an unappointed group of individuals that would make decisions on judicial issues when needed.
Forestavia
I am so glad there is someone else here who sees this. Good, I'm not crazy afterall - or as crazy....
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Goodness, football, then I come back and we are talking about creating a new region? For a second it seemed just like what happened to my first region. I would be happy to help you [nation=short]exotic_lemon[/nation] and all other government officials.
[Spoiler]Now, for some fun, can anyone guess how old I am, since everyone is releasing their age range. [nation=short]greater_Cuba[/nation] dont tell.[/spoiler]
Bloody hell man get a grip! If I wanted you gone I would have said last week! Mind I could say the same about some of the members of your group wanting me gone but hey I'm not going too
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
That would work too! :)
Northwest Germania
I dont want you gone. But I feel your personal ambition might be clouding your judgement.
Northwest Germania
I could be wrong of course, but not many have the ability to contain their own ambition. I struggle with it daily.
Northwest Germania
Very understandable of your saneness had lowered during this, [I]Event[/I]
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
dividing people into groups is part of the problem.
i still like fort/oak , and i still like you and your region parakka, i just 100% disagree with you about this regional crisis.
Parakka Northland
Heres what I am going to do. I am going to get off for a while and think it over. My anger is causing me to make irrational, emotional decisions. I will come back with a plan (hopefully) I usually play moderator, not take an side, let alone an extreme side.
Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Post by Parakka Northland suppressed by Domos Pinca.
I never said you wanted me gone but there are times when some of your group members comments might be construed as such a desire. Anyway I don't want to dwell on that topic because frankly it makes everything sound paranoid. I will say this though, yes I would like the delegate seat but frankly I'm not going to lose sleep over it if I don't get it.
Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
Also [nation=short]parakka[/nation] I should not have snapped at you. I was paranoid and selfish. I should not have done that. I have no intention on being delegate forever, so when I announce my resignation I encourage you to run for it.
Forestavia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
this is why I should never play this game angry.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
i wish they would add armed conflicts to this game, that way instead of bickering i could be committing genocide against the loyalists to get the revolutionary agenda passed :/
Civilisunio
we cool?
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
This game is intense sometimes. No matter what happens, (together, apart, friend, or foe) I really do enjoy playing this game with you people. It's always fun, even in these kind of moments. It keeps things interesting. If they do decide to make another region I hope they have the courtesy to drop by and invade us once in awhile. ;)
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
I've snapped a bit myself tonight / this morning so its all cool. Listen if I really didn't like you I would have told you by now. Same for plugo and the rest of your supporters. Everyone here cares about this region which is why we are staying very firm in our views as to what should happed to it. Granted we are not all going to agree on these issues 100% but I would hope a solid compromise can be found that satisfies everyone.
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
Thats why I joined ns. Did you read my spoiler?
Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
Yes. I'm guessing. Let's see. You're on a football team so that puts you in high school or college. So 15-25 is my guess.
Civilisunio
Ok guys I'm going to head off as my 11 month old has finally gone to sleep, so I'm hopefully off to bed as it's 0240 here and I've been up nearly got 24 hours straight so I'm shattered. Night all, and I'll catch up in the morning :)
Forestavia, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
Pleasant Dreams.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
I can't believe that guy is 31. I thought everyone here was teenagers
Parakka Northland
im guessing 13 - 20
Civilisunio
lol nope, parakka, fort, au912, ill are all full grown adults (though i am taller then them all i bet)
Forestavia
Hmmm. Remember, don't change your view of me as you find out my age. I'm still the same person just now you know a little more about me.
[Spoiler]13[/Spoiler]
Forestavia, Barishmacht, Northwest Germania
There is probably a large amount of people 25+ in NationStates.
There is a lot of diversity on this game from what I can gather. I think we have a few here who are in their 40's.
Northwest Germania
Ding Ding!
Barishmacht
Really? I am really scrawny and short
Barishmacht, Civilisunio
Im skinny and tall.
Exotic Lemon
I only weigh about 100 pounds and I'm a junior in high school
Aw, shucks! I was two years off. :P
Civilisunio
How tall are you?
I'm average and strong, I'm the back-up quarter back and main Wide-Reciever.
Im almost 110 pounds, 6 feet and a Freshman.
Civilisunio
I play ice hockey.
Forestavia, Barishmacht, Civilisunio
Goodness. I am 120 5'5
Im actually perfectly healthy even known I am slightly (just slightly)... Underweight
Northwest Germania
I am pretty scrawny and not strong at all
Barishmacht, Civilisunio
Forestavia
That would be about where I am at.
Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
That's the spirit! Turn it into a positive affirmation! :)
Civilisunio
i am 6'3 in height and around 160-180 in weight
Civilisunio
Generous but untrue.
Civilisunio
Adult, right? I am also a junior programmer, my mum says she doesn't like me in football in case I get a concussion or such.
That's pretty big. You strong? Do you play sports?
Civilisunio
Forestavia
No plugo is around my age I think he is a little younger
Civilisunio, Northwest Germania
No, 15. I am in a special PC/IT program too.
aint bad at soccer or basketball, and prob gonna run track this year
Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
Sorry. took a break due to not feeling well.
I think you are asking under my plan what powers would the Lunar Council have?
None, except they decide disputes, and judge constitution - breakers. It would then be up to the officers, delegate, & founder to carry out any decisions they make.
Forestavia, Northwest Germania
Are we making a new region?
Northwest Germania
No. Not soon anyway
the only thing everyone can agree on is the fraud act and the lc judicial branch
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Lampar, Parakka Northland
Agreed. But democracy has made a bigger presence since the revolution.
Cuba also thought speaking my mind would end up badly for me.
Northwest Germania
I guess we should start there then. Should we start with points of agreement and slowly work toward those things that will require compromise?
I also agree with the 5 member Lunar Council thing. I think Cuba resigned earlier today based on his post. I will telegram him just to be certain. That gets us down to 6.
Should we keep the same rules as far as five-month terms and elections during the full moon?
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Sounds good to me.
Viva Italia
I'm being just as bold as you are. I am an ancient nation like you said but that doesn't mean pressure people with decrees.
we're discussing the government system now. The decrees aren't up for debate. Please join us.
Yes they can be regardless of what you say. You cannot control the people ;) everything can be negotiable
ROLE PLAY
NEW BACON CONSTITUTION BREACH WARNING
I don't know about the rest of you all but there is no such thing as a "DECREE" in [nation=short]new bacon[/nation]. It will not be tolerated in New Bacon. There is such thing as statutes which is synonymous for a law. But a decree, is a royal law. Any decree passed in this region will be null and void in New Bacon and will be ignored.
Dosh Semiw, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania
I've got to turn in for the night. I think the meeting was productive overall.
Dosh Semiw, Civilisunio, Northwest Germania
That's a matter of opinion.
Totally agree that everything can be negotiated but are these negations going to be fair and a two way thing or one sided that's the question?
New Bacon, Civilisunio, Viva Italia
These negotiations will be fair, for the people of the region. Me and [nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] will do what we can to protect people in this region.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Northwest Germania, Viva Italia
Cuba retired.
*sighs*
I could see that happening.
Forever?
Civilisunio, Northwest Germania
For a long time, possibly forever
Civilisunio
Unforunatley.
Yep. Its hard this year, I have to go to NJHS meeting A and do football while doing my homework, but im a Semi-Pro Fps Gamer. Its hard fitting all of that in and still have 'relax' time, should I say.
Oh, no! The region is splitting! We are like bacteria! What's that process called when bacteria divides, splits, and doubles? I know there's biological term for that.
New Bacon, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Asexual Production.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Thanks! It's been awhile since I took biology.
Our region is producing asexually or as I like to call it [I]splitsies[/I]! :)
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Since our great region is splintering I would to take an opportunity to say to anyone contemplating on leaving us to consider Solar Alliance for a great RP experience, The Greater Holy Isles if you like a smaller-sized RP region, Anticom if you would like to fight communists, Orca Hq if you would like to defend, and The Battle Guard for raiding and defending operated by Lemon and Bacon.
For those leaving us, I wish you the best of luck in your new home regions. I new this day would come sooner or later. This region is pretty big after all. It was only a matter of time. I hope you will come back and visit us once in awhile. :)
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
If everyone is leaving I suggest we form a new region
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Civilisunio, Rondaland
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