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Region: The Mystical Council
I know. It would create a tie, which I hope to God we have an established process for. I understand your hesitancy. Well, I will respect whatever decision you make.
See you guys in about a week.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
*communist coup intensifies*
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Illfated, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]Parakka[/nation] I feel that if you solved the map committee issue and all that in sa it would have passed.
I support it but remained neutral in voting due to understanding why the others voted no.
Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
I suspect that you are right. I will be releasing a cohesive statement of the situation later to the other founders of The Regional Alliance Project. I might release it here also.
In terms of the map committee in the SA, I'm still unclear what the issue is. All I have read so far is a complaint from [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] about several things which he was trying to form connections between, which made it hard to understand what he was complaining about. In addition I have also been told by [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] that the SA is turning into something tyrannical without actually saying what except for the "map" and that was it.
Alistia
If someone would like to state some specific issues with the map committee I'll happily champion that it be reformed
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Statement has been sent to the other founders
Alistia
Barishmacht,could you appoint Parakka Northland Culture Minister?
Truxol
No the delegate can't do that. Parakka Northland resigned himself, no swap here.
Speaking of which, why did you resign Parakka Northland? I mean if you wanted to be delegate for the poll, anyone else could have done that for you.
Gyuamno, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Oh.I assumed that the law still stood.In that case I'll set up a candidacy poll
Truxol
what is even happening? I am gone for 2-3 days and now there seems to be a huge argument over solar alliance
Truxol
[nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] there is also 1 small technically that you can still argue your poll. I will leave that to you.
The poll was defeated 6-5, with the last NO voter being [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation], who still remains unregistered as a citizen, thus his vote doesn't technically count. Whether or not you want to purse this point, is up to you.
Yeah only Forest can appoint, and only when necessary. Right now we can setup an election though; term length unchanged.
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
The regional alliance was rejected by the voters.Civ and Alistia say that SA is dictatorial and following the no vote Parakka resigned
Alistia, Truxol
why is sa "tyranical". Last I saw it seemed democratic
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
I have no idea.Civ said something about a map I think and Alistia said something about discord
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
I have know idea about discord. I assume there is a massive power vacuum with a new delegate?
Alistia, Truxol
Well Barish has taken the Delegacy right now
Truxol
changing of delegates always invites power vacuums. I even brought my wa back here.
Truxol, Viva Italia
I would like to peruse the matter and it was not one i originally thought of. Also [nation=short]Viva Italia[/nation] are you allowing Forests vote to count?
That was the main reason for resigning plus also being told that my region is tyrannical was a bit of a blow to be fair, and as such i didn't feel it was appropriate for me to stay on as delegate here if that was generally the perception of others
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If people wish i am happy to release the statement i have sent to the other founders?
Truxol
its rather complicated to explain, my statement to the other founders was about 2 1/2 pages long and i was trying to summarise things and probably missed some stuff out
Truxol
No I'm not.In regards to Rondalands vote if it doesn't stand it means the Monarch needs to tiebreak.However due to his absence Barish is regent of the region so therefore he must tiebreak the vote
Parakka Northland
guess we wait for [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] to decide (probably a good thing im not delegate as if i had to do the tie breaker vote it would be very biased)
Truxol, Exotic Lemon
I did my best to summarize it in my news article. This was meant to be unbiased, please let me know if it seems unfair. As for your statement, that is your business and your reasons. I think it should be entirely up to you if you want people to see it.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Nope not a bad summary, though there is a typo in your region coding
New Bacon, Truxol
I will fix that. Anything you want me to add or change?
New Bacon, Truxol
Ill wait to see what others think first, i have no issue with providing it.
New Bacon, Truxol
you might want to add that those who have made the accusation in place of "by several members" as im only aware of two people who have openly said it though i would say a third is likely to agree also
New Bacon, Truxol
Okay for some reason it won't let me set up the poll.Could someone else with Poll powers make it?
New Bacon, Truxol
Ive put my WA back on my main nation for the time being
New Bacon, Truxol
I just read the RMB really fast when I was scrolling through. Would changing it to "a few members" be better? Or should I just get off my lazy bum (plugo's only insult) and find it myself?
New Bacon, Truxol
na a few is fine
Truxol
No no no no no. Delegate doesn't have tie breaking powers, only Forest. The matter is not urgent. We can wait until Forest returns.
Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Forest appointed the delegate regent to rule on his behalf
Truxol
https://www.nationstates.net/region=mystical_council#poll
If its a tie then the vote still failed to get majority
This
Also still no. The laws we agreed on allow only Forest to break a tie on a vote, no one else. Section 3 of the Election Rules and Regulations, which also applies to general polls when applicable.
"3. In the event of an election tie, the Emperor (founder) [nation=short]Oakplumington[/nation] (also known as [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]) will be the final deciding vote. This decision can be disputed, if the Judicial President, Prime Minister, and the Viceroy (delegate) all agree to do so; in such case, elections are re-held."
We can probably make an exception if it's an urgent situation or if Forest has been gone for an extended period, but neither of these things are true in this case.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
However the Emperor appointed the Regent to rule on his behalf therefore they take on the responsibilities of the Emperor including tiebreak votes
Civilisunio
This is not an election, this is a bill vote. Does not apply.
Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol
Do not go rollerskating if you do not know how.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm
Don't tell me what to do! I'm gonna go rollerskating right now!
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Absolutely not. There is absolutely no law whatsoever that we have that grants the delegate the same powers as the founder.
It applies far more than the fact that delegates does not have tie breaking abilities at all.
That being said, I understand that you can argue your point under the pretenses that delegates have "executive" powers and can take such action if there is an extended absence of the founder, or if this is an urgent matter that needs to be settled immediately. However there is absolutely no precedence to that since the matter is not urgent and Forest has been here less than a day ago, so you can't argue under these points.
Malcholm
Forest did say as far as I remember that he would be absent
Alistia, Truxol
We aren't talking about the Delegate we are talking about the regent
Alistia, Truxol
Which is basically the delegate since we don't and shouldn't have a system by which Forest can make any random person to be the executive acting person instead, however
I just actually saw this post
In which case I guess if he's gone for such an extended period then it would make for the delegate to act in his stead for such matters.
Truxol
However a while ago the Delegate was appointed to hold the powers of Monarch.
Truxol
Yeah in an event that Forest takes an extended leave, such is the case now it seems.
Truxol
So Barishmacht what is your decision?
Truxol
Can I have a short summary of the situation, and what do you want from it?
Truxol
Well a while ago Parakka,Forest and Malcholm had the idea of creating the regional alliance.Recently the three regions of which they are founders of voted on it (Sa voted yes,TGHI is voting soon I think and we aren't sure).Originally the yes vote was winning here but some people (Civ and Alistia) claimed that SA was tyrannical and that they didn't want to join an alliance with them.The vote saw 6 vote no,5 vote yes and 3 abstained but Rondalands vote was discounted so that is why we require your tiebreak.
My opinion:While I would like a alliance or treaty between the three regions to solidify our friendship with them I do not agree with a alliance government that would hold influence over us.That is the main reason I voted no.
Founding treaty:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=malazan_imperium/detail=factbook/id=main
Alistia
I say no
Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol, Viva Italia
Hey everyone
It tis me.
Barishmacht, Civilisunio
Hello there
Civilisunio
Hi.
Truxol, Order Of Teutons
Can I ask why you think it would hold influence over the region? The alliance government is in place to make sure the alliance runs smoothly.
Malcholm, Truxol
What I mean is that if we voted yes we would be barred from being members of raiding regions.Whi I realise that currently we are a pro-defender region but what if in the future we had more pro raisin members?I don't believe that the alliance should dictate whether we can be raiders,communists or fascists.
Alistia, Truxol
I presume you are referencing this under article 6:-
"The Alliance will not collaborate, associate or endorse, regions on either end of the political extremist spectrum."
I think you have misunderstood what I was getting at. It's not about controlling what individual people do. Some well always have ties with raiding regions and that's fine just as it is if people have ties to defence organisations. The aim of that clause is to make it clear that the Regional Alliance as an organisation does not support Fascistsor or Communism as they are the two main political extremes that exist on NS.
If people want to be either Fascists or Communism that's their choice and right to do so. At that point I would hope they wouldn't go around saying "the Regional Alliance supports communism or fascist ideals". In addition if ultimately The Mystical Council was to become a region of political extremism then not only would the region seek to leave the alliance but the Senate could conceivably ask the region to leave the alliance.
Malcholm, Truxol
I was under the impression that we were a pro-raider region, based on the activity of The Battle Guard, such prominent members as Alistia, and the discussions that take place on Discord. I'll be the second to object and state that the intent of The Regional Alliance is not to dictate the activities of member regions, but to open up the options presented in formalized relations between member regions. The current revision of the Treaty is a draft, and won't be ratified unless all signatories of the Alliance are satisfied with the terms. I believe Parakka has mentioned this fact on multiple occasions.
I would hope that as our benevolent Delegate you would consider more than just one person's opinion. >_> The Regional Alliance is a mutual pact that acts as a safeguard or 'safety net' for the nations of our three regions. I appreciate skepticism, but I guarantee that the three of us only act within the best interest of our respective regions.
New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
[Nation=short]TMC Weekly News[/nation] you might want to add how their have been questions asked about these tyrannical claims from myself and members of the Solar Alliance yet no answer has been given.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol
I will add that to it
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
hey guys I updated my news article. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=804734 let me know if there is anything else I need to add
New Bacon, Malcholm
Happy Easter!
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Order Of Teutons
I want to apologize to [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] for attacking his region instead of his bikl which was a terrible thing to do. I still do oppose the bill as it stands but would be delighted to help tweak it to fit the demands of signing regions.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Thank you for the apology
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol, Civilisunio, Order Of Teutons
If you guys ever wanna have a revote on that whole issue and if the Newspaper wants to put together a story stating the sides so people dont have to read through the whole RMB to know all the positives and negatives, then I would be happy to organize the revote.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
I feel we should revise the treaty to meet the needs of signing citizens first.
Alistia, Viva Italia
I agree with Civ.I think the treaty should be revised before we vote on it
Alistia, Barishmacht
Well, I see a few ways of going about that. We could either sit down and do it all in one sitting or we could section it up and put it up to debate.
Truxol
Keep in mind guys this treaty has to meet the needs of all signatories, so far that is only the Solar Alliance. The original intention had been to get the draft treaty to pass all three regions. Form the Senate and then allow the Senate to finish off the treaty. Otherwise the process becomes unmanageable and not workable because everyone will want a say, and by everyone we are talking about potentially 100+ people.
Unfortunately the vote for TMC was scuppered by something in the solar alliance that was used as an excuse to ensure the vote was defeated. Hopefully that well change in the future.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
Stop.bringing it up, it happened, so what? Its not an issue that we are focusing on. The issue at hand is the region needs more say in the treaty before we pass it and we want to have un-biased representation in the senate or whatever it comes out to be and we are 100% ok with working with SA on this process.
Gyuamno, Alistia
So what? It's about trust. As much as I accept your apology, the situation has damaged the trust I have in you.
In terms of Senate representation the likely hood is that it will consist of two or three people potentially though [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] mentioned something about this back along that was perhaps quite reasonable and fair.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
Just to be 100% clear, me voting no had nothing to do with SA.
Malcholm, Truxol, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
You'll want to refer here for that: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=794277
Parakka Northland
That would be the one
Malcholm, Truxol, Civilisunio
Hi, I am new to this region!
New Bacon, Malcholm, Civilisunio
Hi
New Bacon, Malcholm, Civilisunio
Why have you put your feelings out in front to try and make people feel bad for you? At this point the bill is in secoundly place parrotca and if we don't do soemthing about it tmc will never sign the bill.
Cheers. Cick a duda doo civ-
Gyuamno
I secoundly agree wit dis notion 'ere Civvy has a good ol point m7. u prop3r got defeated on dey bill let it go parrotca.
Malcholm, Truxol, Civilisunio
See i have a secoundly agreer dis generious governer over he're has ma'de me day.
Gyuamno
Oi m7 its prop3r noice to have a smart person like yu in dis region 'ere. Secoundly i say u should be delegate mayb even EMPEROR!111!11!1
Truxol, Civilisunio
I agre boiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuu. Its only prop3r m9. W3 ned to hav3 the ceremony now.
Gyuamno
Ayyyyyyy lmao.
I goin to get dat purp drank now boiii. moutain dew and doritios eyyyy gon'a get littt cityyyyy.
Truxol, Civilisunio
I agre m9. Dis is da time. W3 ned to k33p the party goin.
Keep er goin. Cick a duda doo civ-
Gyuamno
Ayy u here dat pleb-a-ronies???? endorse ur king overlord civvy. only few can r worth;y enuf to be delegate like good ol civvy
god save duh king!
Truxol, Civilisunio
Zee descusion has bern made. Endorse zee overlord Civvy.
Cheers. Cick a duda doo civ-
Gyuamno
oi prop3r good m8. always luv wen dings go to plan eh ol pally matey civvy? i alredy enrodsed u i expect everyune to duda doo the same.
Truxol, Civilisunio
I agre duda in da doo like i alway slay. Mayb3 parrotca will 2 m9.
Gyuamno
gud point dere matey i hope jolly ol parrotca will secound dis gra8 notion 'ere. i even open a prop3r extra can of moutain dewy for em. be a darn shame if he dosent
Truxol, Civilisunio
Zee tru. I ned to go brush me booty hole talk to yoi mate l8tr.
Cheers. Cick a duda doo civ-
Gyuamno
oh hevens me civvy. zat reminds me i must do meself to m8. ofcurse after i hav a prop3r gud ol tee time wit me krumper nuppers.
cheerio good friendo civvy nd a doo duda cick 2 u m8
Truxol, Civilisunio
hey :)
New Bacon, Truxol
Oh you misunderstand. You asked so what so I answered your rhetorical question. I don't expect people to feel sorry for me as you put it.
I will be discussing the situation with the founders and going from there.
Any chance you could use English? I haven't a clue what your talking about
Truxol
I will translate.
I also agree with that notion and old Civilisunio has a good point.You were defeated on the bill and you should let it go Parakka.
I think that's it
Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol
Oh, wow! Ghetto English Textacanese. Never learned about that language before. Can I sign up for lessons?
Gyuamno, Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Are you implying that I should let it go about running the bill vote again go?
By the way whilst I think about it where is this statement from the ministers as to what they plan to do in there term as was promised during the elections?
Alistia, Truxol
No I am not.I just translated what Gyuamno said.And what you are referring to can be found in the April report.Sadly three of the ministers didn't write their reports by the deadline
Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
My bad, I didn't realise till this post that you were translating
Truxol
Theresa May has called an election!
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Lmao ;)
I love u Forest
Forestavia, Truxol, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Welcome! Have a nice hot cup of tea! Enjoy!
New Bacon, Truxol, Ilha Da Vera Cruz
Isn't it supposed to be "! luv y00 4est"?
Gyuamno, Truxol
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