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Region: The Mystical Council
Hello!
Malcholm
i don't think tudb should have all control of our troops though. like i get them reporting to tudb for defending, but we don't want tudb to take full control of the military people from tmc.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Greetings! :)
Malcholm
So should this election be for Cubas and AU912's seat or?..
Malcholm, Civilisunio
we also still need to address the Interregional Coop' Organization.
updating the things to do list on asturias now.
Malcholm
It's the cost of becoming a member of TUDB. We need people who are willing to commit to our cause, so having members with conflicting interests wont do us too well.
It's like I said though: TBG isn't TMC. It's not TBG that's joining TUDB, so take that as you will.
hmmmmmmmmm yeah. Do it.
interesting, would you be willing to put a short dispatch together for me? the idea is i would like the region to consider the pros and cons carefully before making a decision either way.
[nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] whats your view on TUDB and Malcholm post to my questions (questions listed below for your convenience)
Malcholm
So how are things going over here?
Not bad thanks and yourselves?
Alistia
I vote for Illfated
Alistia
I don't believe it.
Civilisunio
Lol.
Alistia
Okay.
jesus that article was bad..
'Others fear Obama could pardon legions of hardened criminals or even provoke a war with a foreign power'
Malcholm, Civilisunio
I agree.
Alistia, Malcholm
i wonder why this region has never gotten featured.
Malcholm
[B]Current poll.[/B]
Emforia: 3 votes
Malcholm: votes for himself even though he's already in the LC. 60 Watts.
Write in Candidate Illfated: 3 votes
Write in Candidate Dosh Semiw: 1 vote
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I voted for an issue to increase censorship, and civil rights went up,,,, what?
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Why
Alistia, Malcholm
Yeah, sorry for the delay. Any time I've spent online the last couple days has been spent at the Major/Minor updates doing ops, so I'll get you the dispatch soon.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=724354
Parakka Northland
I would like to point out that TBG has yet to follow through with Lampar's sentence: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=719483
I'm voting 'No' because of these reasons:
1. I and many others thing the minister of war position should be abolished and the powers given to the defense minister, and a different name for the combined titles.
2. It looks like the grand duke is equal to the wa delegate.
3. The prime minister and delegate should be equal, if an invasion did ever occur, a invader delegate shouldnt have more power then the legitimate prime minister.
Malcholm
[nation=short]Parakka_northland[/nation] dismiss AU912 as the jud pres and appoint [nation=short]teurs[/nation].
[nation=short]malcholm[/nation] update your dispatch so [nation=short]teurs[/nation] is president, and [nation=short]emforia[/nation], [nation=short]illfated[/nation] are councilors
Malcholm
Why is [nation=short]teurs[/nation] President now? I would like the Lunar Council to elect their own president within the next few days..... Lets get the Lunar Council to be a bit more democratic shell we? After all we all love democracy right?
Teurs is the president because AU912 is no longer in the LC, and the succession is seniority.
The LC likes their succession from what the members of it have said, and we don't want any branch interference ;)
Malcholm
And as [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] said on the topic once, being able to stay in the lc long enough to become president shows dedication, obviously having experience in the council, and being popular by the people.
Malcholm
1. Im happy to put the issue of the Minister of War and Defence up for debate, as i said a month or so ago.
2. Please note the [B]arrows[/B] going from Delegate to Grand Duke and Minister of War, they are their to show that they are appointed by myself, as i have indicated in the dispatch, if you would care to read it.
3. Sorry i disagree as the Delegate is an executive of the region whereas the rest of the positions are not. If we were raided it wouldn't matter if the raiding delegate should or shouldn't have anymore power than the Prime Minister as he would simply remove the current government. So your argument whilst i can see where your coming from, isn't entirely valid for that reason.
Well i would like the current members of the Lunar Council to confirm that via telegram if they wouldn't mind
[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]
[nation=short]Teurs[/nation],
[nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation]
[nation=short]Illfated[/nation]
[nation=short]Emforia[/nation]
Malcholm
It aint your job to change the judicial branch parakka :P
Malcholm
I fully understood [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] comment but like i said i would like confirmation before i make any changes. As now the former President has gone, now is the chance to change that if they wish
Malcholm
I am not changing the Judicial Branch, i am suggesting that they make the change themselves.
Malcholm
no once has asked for a change though, so it is fair to assume they are fine with the current system.
it also prevents corruption.
i.e. if friends got on the lc they could just choose to elect one of themselfs to the seat anytime.
Malcholm
When i was part of the LC i suggested there should be change in how the system works, which can be confirmed by the former president. I equally believe that change should happen, so i am inviting them to decide if it should. Equally its allways best never to assume things :)
No system is beyond corruption, is it right that someone can effectively be president of something forever if they wish?
I do not agree with that.
Alistia
fair enough, but it also seems like a 'im not going to appoint the legitmate president until even though i am not in the judicial branch until all of the lc members think about the idea i am suggesting' (which could take dayS)
Malcholm, Civilisunio
Hey it's there choice let's see what they do with it.
Give me one system in the world that cannot be corrupted
Its not really their choice though, since you are forcing them to choose.
they can't be president forever if 'they' wish.
AU912 was president for a year, and the people electing him back in because he did a awesome job
Malcholm
I am inviting them to choose, and it is their choice. They all could decide to keep the current system. If so then great, if not then great we can look at making the process a little more democratic. I'm curious though why are you so agains the idea of them being invited to consider changing the system that is currently being used?
im against it because you are forcing them to change it, if they want to change it they will discuss the situation on their own.
and because no current member of the lc has shown any interest in changing it, this is basically a separation of powers breach
I don't think for one Secound that he did a bad job, and yes he was elected back in again. However, that doesn't mean he should be able to hold onto the position of president indefinitely because he was the longest serving member. However, that is for the LC to decide not me.
There is a difference that you seem to be missing between forcing something and asking them if they would like to. Now if I said "ok guys I don't like this system so you will do this instead" that would be forcing them to do something that they might not want to do. However, by saying "Guys as your former president has left would you like to change how the president of the LC is appointed?" See that's not forcing them, that's giving them the option to make a choice, or inviting them to voice an appoinon on the subject.
Equally both you and me are not part of the LC so how do either of know if everyone on the LC is happy with how the president of the LC is appointed?
well i know teurs and malcholm like the current system because they have outright said so.
not sure about [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] and [nation=short]illfated[/nation], and emforia doesn't care either way
Malcholm
Like I have said let's see what they all decide. Hell there's 5 members, once a majority say one way or the other then we can go from there. I also know [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] likes the current system and I don't find that an issue in the slightest just to clairify
Alistia, Malcholm
[nation=short]alistia[/nation] [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] You guys want me to tell you guys what I think?
Parakka Northland
Yup.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
We should clarify, but that doesn't mean you should suspend appointing [nation=short]teurs[/nation]
Malcholm
I don't agree with the senority process, just because they have been there the longest doesn't mean they are the right person for the job and that also doesn't mean the judges want him to tell them what to do etc.
So basically, The senority process is a totally horrible idea and takes away the people's right to choose who they are ruled by (Democracy).
Alistia, Parakka Northland
the judiciary doesn't rule over anyone though :p
Malcholm, Civilisunio
The judges dumb dumb.:p they are still people.:)
Alistia
*sips tea*
Alistia, Malcholm
*President Charlie comes in the office and shares a cup*
Oh boy, another day where the gears of government are slowly grinding.
Forestavia, Malcholm
Emperor Troublesolver pulls out a bottle of wine.
"It wouldn't be The Mystical Council without bureaucracy now would it, Charlie?"
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
*Civ moves out of investigation Hall and to the emperor's office*
"Would you mind if I joined in?"
Alistia, Malcholm
*Sips tea while offering wine to the others.*
"Come on in and join us!"
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
I abstain on the current poll until a clear definition of what the WA delegate and their duties and responsibilities are made.
Alistia, Malcholm
*Civ Sits down*
"Why thank you for letting me attend!"
"Well I have an idea I would like to present to you and anyone who may be watching at the moment , it's drastic, but I would like to share it if that alright with you."
Alistia
The Emperor jumped out of his chair and hid behind his desk. "Oh, no! Not another idea!"
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
"Well I call it the Confederation Ordinance"
Alistia, Malcholm
"You do, do you?"
*He sighs and climbs out from under the desk.*
"I'm listening."
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
"It splits the region up into seprate States with each having a representative that will vote on behalf of the state in , Get ready, Sentagon. The represenatives will vote on the majority and will be elected, thats the basic idea."
"You want the monarchy to adopt elements of a republic?"
Alistia, Civilisunio
"Yes, I really do think the United States did many things right when drafting the constitution and I really want to adopt some of it to our region but only the stuff we need and the good stuff. I have always been a fan of Democratic Republics"
Forestavia
"Then I encourage you to draft something that will incorporate those things into our region. I suggest setting up a meeting with New Bacon who is in the process of writing a constitution. Maybe you can both work on it together."
Alistia, Civilisunio
"Thank you for the advice. Do you agree with my plan?"
"I do not have an opinion on it yet. I might have an opinion when things are more clear."
*Sips tea.*
Malcholm, Civilisunio
"I see. Well why don't we continue. Anything new?"
*Coughs a couple times.*
"Maybe."
Malcholm, Civilisunio
"Well go on then!"
"There is something I need to tell you and the other government officials. But I don't feel this is the right time. I am waiting to see about something. Enough about me anything new with you?"
He offers some more wine to the guests.
Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
"Eh not much. I recently have Aced my exams all 100% so I am really happy. Still waiting on my PSat Scores, but that probably won't happen in till spring."
Alistia, Malcholm
That just sounds like lampar's district idea.
And remember, when the LC was legislative people said that the councilors had no specific task and couldn't do anything.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
I didn't say the lc. I will tell you later.
Alistia
i know, im comparing your congress idea to the old lc :P.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
They will just vote , just exactly that.it's not like lanpars at all pamper just wanted to add districts I am adding States with abilitys.
I am for seniorority succession
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
Man, this feels weird typing on a chromebook when i usually type on a phone! Gosh, i should use my chromebook much more than i do.
Alistia, Malcholm
[nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation]
i thought you had no laptop or desktop lol
Malcholm, Civilisunio
It is a school chromebook. I can't use some sites all the time so I prohibited of doing too much of things and customizing the computer.
Alistia
I believe that's the majority in favour of the seniority system, so I'll make the update
Alistia, Malcholm
Thats not what I meant. Every system can be corrupted.
I was talking about what you said after that. " is it right that someone can effectively be president of something forever if they wish?"
No... Its not right. You might as well be a dictator.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
That all deviates from the main point and takes into a path of arguing about semantics.
Let us focus of the main point: Should the most senior LC member be president? I say yes, and for two reasons:
a) A senior LC member cannot be the president of the LC indefinitely, so long as the region does not want them to be. When all's said and done, after few months their seat will be up for election. If the region favours them, they stay in the LC as president, if they lose their seat however, they are no longer president and no longer in the LC. The region will have the final say and that's as democratic as it gets.
b) In the grand scheme of things, ask yourselves this question, does it even make any significant difference if a person is a LC member or LC president? Of course if any one of you goes down the selfish path of seeing the LC as an opportunity to get [B]office powers[/B], then sure, the LC presidency must be a big deal to you. However, if you all think of the region as a whole and not just of yourselves, if you are a person who seeks to work on the [B]responsibilities[/B] of a member of the goverment and not just strut around with office powers to feel self important, you will realize that it makes no true difference on whether or not a person is an LC member or an LC president.
All individuals in the LC, president and members, are tasked with 1 main duty: To vote on the rules and disputes. These their responsibilities and that should be their focus. And in that matter, the fact remains that[B] if you the president of the council or only a member of it, your vote has the same exact weight[/B]. The main duty towards the region remains unchanging.
So to drag this out into a big issue is truly nonsensical. It makes no significant difference who a person is on the council, and even if it did, then can easily be kicked out of the council on their next election. No one stays in power however long they desire, so let's just stick to seniority and not add extra headache and elections that will prove even less democratic than the system as is.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Welcome [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation].
I Agree
Malcholm
Thank you, I am glad to be a part of the region.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Glad to have youu here, if you need anything or have any questions feel free to ask
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Parakka Northland, Rondaland
Post self-deleted by King Vlad.
Whats gonna be up in the polls next?
I know the government elections are due soon
Alistia, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Civilisunio
[nation=short]Alistia[/nation] what exactly were you thinking adding a "forever" term limit? That's completely undemocratic.
Civilisunio
I signs in the nation of Lord [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] are burning in chaos
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mugwop/detail=trend
YES! THE FIRES WILL SPREAD!
[B]PRAISE TO LORD [nation=short]MUGWOP[/nation]![/B]
Malcholm, Rondaland
I agree with that. Plus I don't see forest allowing that to fly should it prove to get the most votes
No its not 'undemocratic'.
If the people think they all RO's should have the ability to keep their offices for as long as they want, and the people vote for that option, then it will be implemented.
Malcholm, Rondaland
I asked him to make it an option, and i have a right to have my opinion represented in the polls ;)
Alistia, Malcholm
Fair enough, why do you think it's a good idea?
Alistia, Malcholm
Hello. Today I am here to announce my candidacy for the delegacy.
As you know I have ran for delegate times on 32nd in this region, but to no avail.
I am running to bring a whole New set of ideas to the table.
[*]The 3 pillar democracy system with flow chart and pillars to make sure Democracy and our government is always functioning at a good rate and cooperation is achieved.
[*]I will be more active than the current delegate (Which I already am) to make sure things get done at all times.
[*]A government heretical system to keep the government in its lines (*Cough*Thanks for stealing my idea parakka off our private chat!:)*cough
* Also better than parkka's)
[*]I will work with every branch to ensure each is getting stuff done and their say in government (No I am not saying they arent but I want each position to feel like they are actually doing something).
[*]I will be working with the judges to continue the law making system. I will work with them to create strong laws that will increase our safety and to punish whomever needs to be punished and punish them how they need to be.
[*]I will help the ministry with guiding them with helping with their laws and for assistance.
[*]I will appoint a minister of war that is guaranteed to fullfill his duties and be one of the best.
[*]I will appoint a Grand Duke to help me with my long list and to assist me and be their in my absence. The grand duke will be less powerful than me and the emperor but stronger than the ministry at times.
That is all for now and more to come.:)
Have a great night,
Civilisunio
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