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Region: The Mystical Council
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New Bacon, Malcholm, Joincoo
Alright, since you don't allow. If anyone's just curious, I'll be working on something similar on my Factbook.
Alright, factbook entry's been made, if anyone's interested. If not, crying shame... Oh well.
New Bacon
That's actually pretty sweet. Coffee might be the way to my heart 💖☕
I see you served your's with a side of banjection, though. Were there later actions taken by Civ that warranted you banning him from the region?
Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
You should join us instead. We could use the help.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Yep. He started throwing darts and I'm not going to put up with it. Suppression on the first offense. Banishment on the second. To be fair it wasn't the rudest comment in the world but still unappreciated. If Parakka, Lemon, and you think he's worthy of another chance, you can take Civ off the ban list. Be my guest.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Treating the coffee shop like a bar will get you tossed out faster than your darts fly.
I finally got around to sitting around. This covfefe coffee is sooooo good 👌🏽
New Bacon, Oakplumington
I have an announcement. Not sure if you guys remember Followers Of The Ferret which TMC, ORCA, and TUDB defended awhile back. That region has been successfully transferred to Mugwop. I know that Mugwop and I are in a pretty heavy fight right now but I don't want the rest of you to feel weird about participating or joining in on the fun in that region. I'm really happy to see it coming to life again. It was under the protection of TMC for a really long time. It would be good to develop positive relations with that region as it is in good hands. I see our Minister of Foreign Affairs is already on the scene. Awesome.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Since Lemon hasn't gotten on yet I'm going to reappoint Terran and Elysium.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
You kicked him out, there is simply no excuse for your actions.
Alistia
We got it. We're fixing it.
Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Post by Oakplumington suppressed by Malcholm.
I'm going to log off before I kick bacon out, too.
Gyuamno
IT BETTER BE FIXED!!! IM NOT PLAYING ABOUT THIS FOOLISHNESS BETWEEN OAK!
Alistia, Malcholm, Joincoo
Oakplumington shhh, sleep.
Parakka Northland
A NOTE TO EVERYONE!!!
I don't give a crap if you all that are elected with border control kick me out. I'm also elected with no RO powers. I will not tolerate this kicking foolishness or post suppression without due process. I don't budge with A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL or the FOUNDER ESPECIALLY. If you are wrong you are wrong!!! I am going to say what I have to say without government officials and the founder telling me what I should and should not say!!! THIS SITUATION BETTER BE RECTIFIED IMMEDIATELY OR I WILL LEAVE!!! IM GETTING IMPATIENT WITH THIS INSANITY!!! THIS IS AN OFFICIAL WARNING COMING FROM ME!!!
And I don't care if you all suppress this particular post....
Alistia, Joincoo
Currently fixing all the sh1t working to debug the government. Please bear with me.
Parakka Northland
What about me?
I am a democratically elected official.
Amen
Malcholm, Joincoo
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon fix this.
Let’s keep cool heads yeah. Constant threats from any side isn’t going to fix things but only make it worse
Malcholm
Yeesh, that some chaos...
Malcholm
Fix #1: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901664
Flash poll goes up in TGHI in t-minus 10 minutes. Discuss.
@everyone
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=103311
Go vote. Poll closes in 2 days. People want fast fixes, so I'm fixing things fast.
Oakplumington, you made an edit to The Basic Rights of Nations 23 days ago without documenting any changes. Please divulge. Currently updating it to reflect present day terms used by the region, "Lunar Council" is dated.
New Bacon
Do we have an official embassy policy?
Updated to BRoN to reflect the current gov't: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901683
Needs to go to vote somewhere, I'll have to find another region to host.
EDIT: It's being hosted in IHOHP: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=103315
Alistia
None other than the Embassy Protection Act--nothing in terms of standards for Embassies. Was going to propose something once we sorted out our relations to all of our embassies, feel free to beat me to it.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=899974
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=899982
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=899799
BREAKING NEWS!!!
CURFEW/STATE OF EMERGENCY STILL IN EFFECT FOR ALL OF NEW BACON!!!
The New Baconian Curfew is from 12AM to 12PM (12 hrs maximum per New Bacon Law). New Bacon Citizens please don't get apprehended by the Police!!!
Also Executive Climaco issues this statement regarding the situation in The Mystical Council
President Climaco Says,
"This is a sad time to do this everyone, but there is a curfew in effect. No one needs to be out during this curfew because of the elevated risk for New Bacon and other nations being kicked from the region. The Official Region for New Bacon is the Mystical Council per New Bacon law. If this nation is in any circumstance is removed it will be a violation of the Official Region Act. The nation is at an elevated risk for the continuing threats from the regional founder which is the purpose of the curfew. If the curfew needs to be updated, it will be updated. The Bacon Emergency Management Agency and other emergency officials are monitoring the actions of the region and this country closely."
Malcholm
I try to stat working on something in a bit, then.
Malcholm
MORE NEWS POSTED!!!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901693
What constitutes as a disqualifying crime?
A crime worthy of the receiving "you can no longer register as a citizen and/or run for public office" as part of a nation's sentencing post-trial. Need to draft a proper list of crimes that can punished with such rather than continuing to go by word of mouth.
Alright then.
New Bacon, are you interested in levying formal charges against Forestavia/Oakplumington as a result of his rampant post suppression and unjustified banishment of both Civilisunio and Mugwop? Neither of them have appealed to the Judicial Council, so there's not much I can do yet aside from proposing edits and passing new laws to prevent this sort of caboose in the future.
Alistia, New Bacon
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
No need, this is a separate incident with different charges. The former docket still stands.
Oh I thought you were talking about the other docket with the 59 days, ok yes drop those charges.
The 59 day docket still stands
Malcholm
Right, anything new would instead be appended to and overwrite the old stuff.
New Bacon
You do realise you said in the docket that he had to sign in at minimum once every 59 days right? In his defence he did comply with that order of the court or should I say found a loop hole with your sentencing.
Yes. Someone would need to appeal to have it revised, or get in on Bacon's levy for formal charges against Oak. I can't do that myself because I would see it as overstepping my bounds.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Oak has found a loophole. He turned off his vacation mode. Which would allow his nation to cte after 28 days.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Id like to file charges against him for violating the rights of nations, dismissing the government, raiding the region, and everything/anything else that counts as a legal crime
New Bacon, Malcholm
I’m aware he found a loophole, but unfortunately you can’t punish him for breaking the courts verdict as he would argue that the court was short sighted in their ruling.
I’m not trying to start anything here just pointing out an obvious flaw and would rather try and get things back to normal in some fashion rather than see more fuel added to the flames.
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
We know about the flaw. Yes forest can circumvent the court when he wants even though people disapprove of it. There is nothing much more myself Malcholm and Barishmacht can do.
Alistia
Another strain on my life...ugh...
We got you.
Alistia
Why not both? Most of the region isn't going to look past the fact that Oak violated the very laws he helped author and instate for us.
Worth noting: Oak/Gyu alleges that the court violated the BRoN in it's verdict on TMC v. Forestavia, citing "10. Nations shall retain the right to run their own governments as they see fit without hindrance from the regional government."
Full text: "10. Nations shall retain the right to run their own governments as they see fit without hindrance from the regional government. Everything from anarchies to psychotic dictatorships and everything in between will be safe within the region."
This implies that the government will not impose on how a nation chooses to answer issues and will not enforce any certain ideology or nation classification. It's not interpreted as a protection from the regional government dictating how a player (OOC) should use a nation (IC);more specifically, it does not block the court from conscripting Oak to compulsory activity every 59/ however many days so that the founding nation, hopefully, will not CTE.
I don't believe that levying more formal charges against Oak is adding more kerosene to the flame, it's just a part of the process of restoring the region to it's former sanity. More laws, stricter penalties, and clear-cut policies on the founder's conduct and role in a democratically elected government.
Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
*A strange fellow reeking of marijuana strolls in*
yooo maannnnn how about we get rid of all government to begin with? let's just be free souls man far outtttt.
*lights a joint*
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
*hoarse cough*
that shizz was el cronico homies
Terran Flux
Dude I don't disagree with what your saying generally speaking. However, having anouther trial at this moment in time isn't going to calm things down it's just going to keep tensions high. I'm not day thing that a trial shouldn't take place, but it should be scheduled for a later date. Instead of it being continuously brought up on the RMB.
Hopefully that makes sense
Malcholm
I am legit getting spammed with telegrams, notices, mentions, and whatnot.
Regional Announcement
As the unofficial emperour, it is my duty to defend the region and its people. I have thought about it, and the needs of the people must come first over the regions. I am sorry forest, but you overstepped your bounds. I was fine with, even happy, that you brought oak back and started declaring an emergency. But I think you took it too far:
-You suppressed multiple posts
-You dismissed democratically elected officials for "conspiracy", when they were just stating their opinion.
-You handed malchom, parakka and myself basically unlimited power, but we didn't ask for it and I certaintly don't want it.
-Your emergency powers are to be honest not very legal, and I wasn't ever consulted about your
To the people:
I am issuing a lemon state of emergency to revise the state:
- Democratically elected officials are to be returned to office
- Posts are to be unsurpressed and bans lifted if needed
- Forest is removed from emergency powers temporarily
- Complaints, concerns, and comments will be taken up by myself and the other democratic government. I will not, however, make any action against forest other than removing his temporary power.
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Joincoo
Well, sure, it doesn't have to happen right this instant. I had thought you meant that it shouldn't happen at all.
Take a look at #government on Discord for my list of things that I'm gonna try to do over the next couple days--the trial itself isn't even a priority right now.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
I can see that I have no place here anymore. The region has made the personal attack of myself its number one priority. The creator has been baffled by its creation. Good luck guys.
Gyuamno, Alistia
I'm should prob. do some foreign affairs thingys.
So I'm going to pretend I know what I'm doing.
Alistia, Malcholm
Oh, how about a small short story contest, Halloween themed? Inter-regional?
I'm trying to think of how to strengthen our ties between our region, and our embassies.
So, by pretending I know what I'm doing, I thought of this.
Is it a good?
(Posting this here, too, because not everyone goes on discord)
Alistia, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon, Joincoo
The creation is running a chkdsk and repairing corrupted files. I do hope you don't consider my egging Bacon to press charges as a personal slant; I assure, you, it's anything but that, and it's certainly not my first priority. See: (copied from discord)
Malch's TODO List:
Create Judicial Code: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=27661631
Create Embassy Policy: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=27661367
Update Judiciary Database: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=716146/
Nullify the Regional Laws and Treaties Dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=454436
Re-draft/update New Bacon's Constitution Proposal and propose it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15om9RW4XrU3SW3bhBLEMjk_k07gSmYsPKuxlB8bjDVQ/edit
Formally Veto Founder's State of Emergency: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=900320
I'm pushing the region to take a more strict and stringent stance on upholding and updating it's laws. Take a breath and come back when you're ready.
Alistia, New Bacon
Well, I'm heading off for the night.
Feel free to let me know your thoughts for a story contest thingy, interegional thingy, a couple posts ago.
Alistia, Malcholm, Joincoo
You will always have a place here. If you need to chat you know where I am
New Bacon, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Courtesy Mention: Forestavia
I'm not trying to press more charges against you. Me and mal were talking about dropping the earlier dockets of you involved. I really don't want another trial to be honest. You will always have a place in this region, you are the founder. We just need the chaos to tone it down some; please come back. I really want this region to be in unison not apart, and like Parakka Northland said, the threats are getting us NOWHERE! If we could all just work together and not repeat this cycle over and over again I would appreciate it.
Alistia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Well said!
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
This thing. I also need to know if anybody wants to be judge.
Also, maybe a halloweeny flag contest, too?
Alistia, Joincoo
I have officially transferred the back up region into your hands. The password is visible. All powers have been granted. When the founder ceases to exist in the back up region the delegate position will become executive by default. I will be getting on in a few hours to make my final address to the region as founder.
Forest I don't know what's going on but if you want to chat you know where I am.
Alistia, New Bacon, Joincoo
😢
Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
😮 Are you okay?
Alistia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
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I did not realize it at first but Mugwop was right about something. There is a connection between the Lunar Council’s verdict and the state of emergency that I recently declared. Instead of doubling down on my decision to enforce a state of emergency, I should have doubled down on my decision to allow the founder puppet to cease to exist.
I have spent the better part of this year attempting to convince the region that a founder is no longer needed. With the court’s verdict, the government reforms that are so badly needed, and the chaos, I thought maybe the court was right. Maybe I let the region convince me I was still needed. Maybe out of a sense of selfishness, I wanted to convince myself that I was still needed. I misplayed my hand so badly this week. I hope that the region can find it in their hearts to accept my sincere apologies. I will not stand in your way again.
I knew that this day would eventually come. I endeavored to create a truly free, genuinely democratic, and fiercely independent region. The region is stronger, more vibrant, and more successful than I could ever have imagined it would become. We have a bulwark of influential power here that many regions will never have a chance to see. We have active world assembly nations here, again, something that many regions never develop. I am truly honored to have been part of this region. You all helped to make it a wonderful experience. But now, the time has come for us to part ways. My life has become busier over the past year and leaving the region will allow me to focus on other things. I’m sure most of you have noticed the lengthy spans of time when I’m not active.
I will not be logging onto the founder account for a long time. The day will come when the founder will cease to exist again. And when it does, I will not bring it back. This region is powerful enough, old enough, and stubborn enough to operate without the constant presence of a founder. I will only log back onto the founder account for two reasons:
- If the region would succumb to an occupation by a hostile force which lasts more than five days.
Or
- If the region would suffer from a severe collapse in population.
If this new policy worries you, if you think that this is too dangerous or too risky, then I would point no further than to the long trail of activity pages behind us. Look at what you just did as a region. You fought me off. After three days of what - I hear in some circles - could be considered a raid, an attack on the region. Congratulations! If I was a raider, I wouldn’t come anywhere near this place. It is too strong and too powerful. This region is ready to take on an attack from any direction at any time. So long as it is in your hands, this region and the values that we believe in will be safe from harm.
As the mother bird sometimes must force her young from the nest so that they may learn to fly, so I must do to The Mystical Council. I do not do this to spite the Lunar Council’s ruling or the desires of the regional government. I do this because I know that this region is ready to take it to the next level and the next level is something that no founder can do for you. It is something that you must do for yourselves. It must be this way so that you can fulfill your destiny as a truly free region.
Now go forth! Spread those wings and continue your noble work here in The Mystical Council, in this wonderful game, and make a difference in this unique world that we live in called NationStates!
*Waves goodbye*
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Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon, Joincoo
I’ve sent you a message from Parakka, but I am truly sorry it’s come to this for what it’s worth.
Alistia, New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
Malcholm I think it's best to go ahead and nullify the docket that I composed also that was issued September 1st. With Forestavia's speech, it's not really worth issuing the docket anymore. The docket is no good and very hard to enforce. THIS IS MY OFFICIAL OFFER FOR NOW. Given that there is nothing much more that the court can do. At Forestavia's ultimate discretion, the founder puppet will be either inactive or active. The docket is not really enforceable. I'm just telling the truth Malcholm. Maybe the court should have had some deeper thought before actually initiating the sentence on Forestavia. We as a judicial team should have thought deeply about this sentence. This sentence was also a part of the chaos as well.
Forestavia, Alistia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
It saddens me to see you go, but tmc will never forget you. You mean far more than just owning the founder nation You are the heart and soul of tmc, and you will always have a place among us should you decide to return.
Forestavia, Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Viva Italia
I am sorry too. But tmc will survive without a founder.
ARRGH! Lost me ship in th' waves o' time.
Malcholm
That's what the raiders want us to think! We need a founder, STAT!
Alistia
Went ahead 'in walked th' plank all by 'imself. Too much rum I be guessin'.
Forestavia, Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Civilisunio
yeah good thing you came back as soon as the founder left.
funny how things work out like that
Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
With Forestavia gone, I will most likely not be very active here anymore.
So long folks!
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Not so fast! My new region has embassies with you guys. You're not rid of me yet! ;)
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Yeah timing is everything isn't it.
Malcholm
Yer best guessin' shant be takein' ye anwheres. Ahoy! Welcome back, me hearty!
Malcholm did you get the memo?
Boosted for lols. I can't wait to read the spooky tales we get from this :>
was just getting around to it :P
New Bacon
Poll Up
After the last government poll I have posted the follow up poll.
Malcholm
Yep. Now to spread this thingy around.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Yep. We only have alot of embassies.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Option 2 will bring us full circle. Make it five "council" positions instead of three and we'll have re-instated the old Lunar Council.
Both options look exactly the same on paper though. What makes option 1 different from 2?
Also, what sort of positions are we designating in these new government structures? How are we handling the division of powers and responsibilities? Will these new positions be elected, or appointed? How do we decide proportional representation? etc..
New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Option 1 specific duties with specific powers
Option 2 council (abit like the old system)
In both options and per the last poll the judicial branch (lunar council) will still be in place.
I suppose in option 2 case we could have 4 elected seats rather than 3 to make it an odd number. Not worth doing that for option 1
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
So....many...dead....embassies
New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Do I get a cookie fo actually doing something this term?
New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
What if, I don't like either option....
Malcholm
I'm getting alot of likes from my posts. Oh well.
Let's see how many notifications I have when I get home from work.
New Bacon, Malcholm
this is why i was doing the embassy relations thing :P
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New Bacon, Terran Flux
Got it, so it's still 1 Exec, 3 Ministry, 3 Judiciary no matter which option.
Feels a bit like what I set up in TGHI after we put in the monarchy here. My region has 1 Exec, 3 Solar Council (Leg.), 3 Lunar Council (Jud.), but all with full powers. Probably a lot closer to what option 2 would look like.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Feel free to close any embassies you'd classify as "dead"--i.e., no one has posted in 3+ weeks & the region doesn't belong to one of us.
Terran Flux
I suppose you don't vote or vote for which option you prefer out of two bad ones?
Yep pretty much that's how option 2 would look if that's what's chosen
*turns off like notices*
I'll go through the embassies when I get back from work
Malcholm, Terran Flux
We're not still in the State of Emergency, are we?
Malcholm, Terran Flux
Technically no.
No one repealed it yet, no requirement to repeal it though. I'm pretty sure Lemon, Parakka, and myself yelling at Oak to restore the gov't counts as a veto, tho, so it's technically been rescinded.
EDIT: Fixed WFE to reflect this.
Terran Flux
Thought: we're the Mystical Council, but don't have a Council of Mystics 🤔
Volunteers?
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
I thought we where gonna have more time to discuss/propose ideas for the revised government.
I don't like either option, and I agree with Malcholm in that a revised version of the LC should replace the current system.
(Poll seems rushed)
Terran Flux
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