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Region: The Mystical Council
Guys from what I can gather Civ might or might not have baited [nation=short]Viva_Italia[/nation] into banning him from the region. Can I suggest the poll for PM be suspended till this matter is resolved. It's too important for me to win on the chance someone got conned into making the wrong call which cost them the election. Especially as they were winning.
Just trying to be fair here
New Bacon, Malcholm, Viva Italia
He should take it on the chin like I will tommorow🙂🙂
New Bacon
chill dude. I think the lc will judge fairly, if they are summoned at all.
He saw that. He is very upset that you guys are all saying such things. I know he isn't dead, but the saying "You should not speak ill of the dead" I think applies here.
PEOPLE OF TMC Should I suspend the PM poll? [nation=short]Parakka_northland[/nation] i hear you, but i and other officers dont want to suspend the poll w/o the people's permission.
Parakka Northland
I haven't a problem with civ but he can get annoying.What he done has cost me the election.
On that note I don't know if the election should be suspended or not.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
no
New Bacon, Malcholm
I am fine with either, but I slightly lean towards suspension
New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
ill suspend u
New Bacon
Guys vote in this poll. Thanks.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=94043
THE FACT EVERY DAMN POLL THIS REGION DOES HAS AN ABSTAIN OPTION IRKS ME SO MUCH
Malcholm, Truxol
Given that Civ was in third place, the result wouldn't have been affected in regards to him.
No, your actions cost yourself the election.
Good, maybe next time he comes in with a new nation he won't bail so quickly.
Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
This statement is now nullified. [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] is the emperor which is good in my opinion.
Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Which slightly confuses the election...
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
Why would you confuse the election?
I'll take my spot as judge on June 1st. Thanks everyone for electing me.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
What?
New Bacon
I thought I was strait forward, why would that confuse the election?
Well he is emperor/viceroy now meaning he can't be pm unless we allow the emperor to hold tie positions.
New Bacon
That's just simply means Parakka forefeits the seat as pm
Viva Italia
Assuming he accepts
New Bacon
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So [nation=short]illfated[/nation] said that coups deter people from the region. I'm going to recommend and vote for very stiff punishments as I become judge June 1st.
Alistia, Viva Italia
And something fishy is going on with this election.
Alistia, Malcholm
Good
Alistia, Illfated
Lmao like wut m8
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol
Something fishy?
Hmm......Swim little bugger, swim.
Malcholm
Personally, my favorite delegates have been [nation=short]Exotic_Lemon[/nation] and [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] because
Lemon is my love you long time with emphasis on long, friend
And Gyuamno for love you long time as well, but also for his amazing ideals that aren't run by rich people. In a nation far off, Nobody is rich or poor, all are equal. As in that nation is a dictatorship and nobody but me is happy
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
I kind od agree, though this wasnt even a coup it was just kicking for no reason for a lame attempt of i dont even know.
The only 2 real coups weve had did boost activity, but they where actually legitimate and had actual government reform.
Kicking ppl and changing the wfe isnt a coup.
[nation=short]illfated[/nation] it might have been, but if it was active at the time it all woulda been different
New Bacon, Illfated, Exotic Lemon
My job is to conduct and manage the court. If you want a trial, bring a case against them and the court will review it.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Civ's untimely departure thereby promotes me to Chief Justice, no? I would consider his refusal to return a forfeiture of his existing authority, meaning his RO position should be updated to reflect it.
Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
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What do you expect me to do? Create a dispatch and do all the work just for you to read it?
That's your job. I'm not even in the goverment anymore.
The issue is that the recent instability has been instigated by [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] who allowed [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] to run amok just for Forest's entertainment #BurnTheForest And also on whether [nation=short]Viva_ITALIA[/nation] should be prosecuted for his actions of seemingly unjust ejections.
Effective immediately you are the Judicial President. We do not have in our region a separate branch for investigation and a branch for judging. It is all part of the JB, and as the head of the JB you should do your job of investigating and bringing those rascals to justice.
#BurnTheForest
#DownWithCelery
New Bacon, Illfated
Thank you. I am leaning towards running for delegate again, but I am not 100% decided.
Gyuamno
ty it is a great honor 2 serve u, the proletariat will be exploited no longer!
At least I previously thought...everything is fine.
Truxol
[nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] I think you should dismiss civ as Judicial President.
Malcholm
I could have told u that m8
New Bacon, Truxol
[nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] what delegate number is this for you? 5th? 6th? more?
New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
7th I think? I've lost count to be fair haha
New Bacon, Truxol, Exotic Lemon
Done. I'll have to wait till tomorrow to give [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] Border Control powers
New Bacon, Malcholm
Yeah that's what happened to me earlier. I had to wait a couple of days to restore government.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Yes, I expect you to take up the helm and help provide substance on a case you want to see pushed through the court. I was under the impression that the Judicial Council has always been a court, not a detective agency or bundle of public investigators; e.g., we're not there region's trick pony. That may have been how you ran the council, but I don't anticipate piecing together cases from RMB scraps to build the prosecutor's case for them.
For starters, since you seem to be the one advocating their indictment, I'd like your separate formal statements and verdicts you'd like to see handed down on both Forestavia and Viva Italia. I don't think Viva Italia's actions warrant prosecution, or that Forestavia's behavior was any different from the norm. If we're going to prosecute Viva Italia's ejection of Civilisunio, would you also like me to prosecute Civilisunio's ejection of New Bacon? And should I hit Gyuamno for treason since he's the one who decided to actually run rampant and disband the government? That's four impending cases straight away, not two.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Barishmacht, Truxol, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia
I was looking through the history, it seems this is your 7th. Of course, I might not be able to count, but it should be in that range
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Like I said I've lost count there was one week where I was delegate every other day lol
Truxol, Exotic Lemon
I'd say I have ambitions for the delegacy, but I'm a judge, so I just sit here and judge you all
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I have some ambition for the delegacy, but I am fine without it. I think we may have a revolving door of delegates again.
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
treason for gyuamno! he's a scumbag
Forestavia, Malcholm, Barishmacht, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Unironically though
Gyuamno, Truxol
Typical. Once again I am expected to do the work for the region while you sit back and do absolutely nothing.
Alright then. Have it your way. You want all the office powers and do none of it's responsibility? Go for it. It's not my business anymore that the goverment is corrupt anyway.
Gyuamno, Malcholm
Hello guys.
Civilisunio has given [nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] control of this nation. I repeat exotic lemon now owns this. This is not civ's anymore. He decided to start fresh with an anonymous nation somewhere in the world. He asked me to keep it alive in his memory. If you need me ([nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation]) to confirm I will.
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm
Oh
New Bacon, Malcholm
Just an rmb confirmation, I do control this nation.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol
Also an FYI, back when I was on the JB, and the matter of Civ ejecting Bacon was brought into question, [B]we did investigate it ourselves.[/B] And we also investigated [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] as Civ claimed Alistia ejected him unfairly. We found them both not guilty. Investigations were not done by the plaintiff. That would be ludicrous and unfair; they were done by a neutral arbiter party: The JB. But I guess that's just too much work for you.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Ok so how about we not fight like a bunch of 5 year olds about it yeah?
I mean, if we need to we can put you both in the corner and have you think about what you have said?
New Bacon, Truxol, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia
No no. I am done. If the goverment wants to revert back to the old days of everyone just running for office powers and doing absolutely nothing of their office responsibilities, then that's not my business anymore.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol
Greetings.
Just a heads-up: you currently have an embassy with Mr Money Headquarters, a member of a rogue military organization called the NSRight. The Libertatem Department of State has recently classified that organization and its members as threats to the security of sovereign regions across NationStates. While any relations you have with them aren't serious enough to threaten your relations with us, we do recommend you deny them support, whether by closing embassies or convincing them to abandon their aggressive neighbors. This is, of course, entirely up to you.
Thank you for your attention.
Barishmacht
Thank you for alerting us
New Bacon, Truxol
[nation=short]exotic_lemon[/nation], should I de-incorporate [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] from western Russia on our map or just list it as your territory?
Truxol
Greetings Chancellor,
We are a diverse region with many political ideologies so I can only speak for myself. But I would personally love to see NSRight become a success even if only to balance out the militant communist agenda. Forestavia supports capitalism strongly and is supportive of many things NSRight stands for. But let me take a step back and be a little more neutral.
Is there any real proof that they are a "rogue military organization"?
And even if there is "proof", are they any more "rogue" than the fleeters who terrorize conservative leaning regions simply for having an embassy with a controversial one?
Maybe the real issue is freedom of thought. No region (conservative, liberal, fascist, communist, or otherwise) has any right to force its political ideology on another region by deliberately targeting such region through embassy warfare. Every region has the right to withdraw their embassies with any region with which they have embassies - there is no issue there. However, the system of methodically forming a block of regions who work together to wage war on smaller, weaker regions by first labeling, then warning, then threatening, then finally targeting via raids and embassy closures and slander is something that really bothers me. It is collectivism. It is group think. And where there is group think, people stop thinking for themselves.
You claimed that NSRight is a threat to regional sovereignty. Perhaps they are! But in my opinion your region should also label The Red Fleet, The Internationale, Antifa, and others as threats also. Furthermore, their numbers are larger than that of NSRight which in my mind makes me think that those regions are a GREATER threat to regional sovereignty than NSRight ever will be.
I suspect that NSRight has been labeled "rogue" as part of a political ideological war. The region was formed less than 100 days ago, has 14 nations, and it is already considered a [I]serious threat[/I]. The best way to crush them is to give them certain labels so that the movement is crushed before it even has a chance to get started. That is the well-established method of the militant left.
But The Black Hawks have been around since 2005, have hundreds of nations, have been condemned - not once - but twice by the WA, and engage in consistent military operations, but they're not really a big deal are they? Maybe it's because they're just here to have fun with the R/D game. But the minute someone stands for something even remotely "conservative", oh my goodness someone call a doctor! They are sliding down the slippery slope to nazism. And everyone knows that's really, really BAD.
So...is Libertatem keeping an eye on regions who have embassies with regions who have embassies with The Black Hawks? If your answer is no, then I have proven my point and I can justifiably call your post out as a load of BS.
My final point is this: Your region's Department of State has just engaged Libertatem and the nations of your noble region in a global war of political ideology, whether the Department is aware of it or not. I can only hope the nations of Libertatem correct the grave error made by the people in your State Department.
According to this document, the State Department is an arm of the Peace Corps which is in turn administrated by you, Chancellor (assuming the dispatch is up-to-date). My recommendation is that you look a little deeper into what the folks are saying in your State Department. It is not too late to walk back Libertatem's position.
Please understand I mean no disrespect but I am sincerely concerned that Libertatem, an old and well-established region, could be used as a pawn by the communists and the militant left.
Best Regards,
Forestavia
Gyuamno, Illfated, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Mugwop, WHY IS MY NATION STILL BURNING TO THE GROUND????? The fire department has told me that the blaze is about 30% contained. People are dying! I mean come on.
*Stands at window watching the smoke rise*
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Illfated, Truxol, Parakka Northland
*[nation=short]Mugwop[/nation]
Malcholm, Truxol
Okay, let me put this a little simpler:
The NSLeft is a problem. Creating a mirror image of it that repeatedly pokes it with a sharp stick is not an example of a solution.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Illfated
I know we've been corrupt and chaotic, but we still love you Mugwop, and you Civ, and you Viva, and you Gyuamno, and everyone else too. Come here everyone - we need to share a regional group hug. We're all gonna be ok. I'm not sure how but I believe it and I know it's true.
Special Moment:
*Hands shiny brass medal to Mugwop*
This medal is for all the hard work that you've done for the region. It reads - "The TMC Medal of Honor - To Mugwop, for dedicated loyalty and service to the region's democratic process. Thank you."
It would've been gold, but I used all the gold to buy fire trucks and hire fire fighters to fight the flames of wrath in my nation.
Malcholm, Illfated, Parakka Northland
You speak the truth. But now what? How do we deal with the problems we currently face?
Stay the hell out of the crossfire until the conflict dies down again. Hence my message.
Extra credit: Pull your allies out of no man's land too.
Forestavia, Illfated
ill only give u a hug forest, i don't want these other filthy people to lay their hands on me. u are as pure as celery.
[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] ill buy u reddit gold for all ur contribution pm me ur username
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] ill send u one gyuamnan firefighter with a single fire extinguisher as a token of our great friendship
Forestavia, Malcholm, Illfated, Truxol, Parakka Northland
I must apologize. I misunderstood the motivation behind your message. I understand exactly where you're coming from now. Your motivation is peace. And that is a noble cause I can stand behind.
Illfated
That's been happening quite a bit today - no doubt because of some social nuance I'm missing - so no big deal. Stay safe; these are dark times.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Illfated
That sounds like a deal. I could use an extra fire extinguisher. :)
Gyuamno, Truxol
gyuamno is poor, our fire extinguishers are squirt guns
Forestavia, Truxol
*sighs*
Well, I suppose it's better than nothing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfXSPi8RNH0
Truxol, Parakka Northland
omg that movie :')
Truxol
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Malcholm, Truxol
I don't want no midget cricket! I want a REAL fire extinguisher!
Gyuamno, Truxol
u cant handle a midget cricket if it cricked your midget
Truxol
O_O
*Whispers*
Be careful what you say.... You might end up banned like Civ. And then you'll be stranded in the back-up region!
Truxol
Then I will declare myself God King of the backup region. HUZZAH!
Forestavia, Truxol
fck off reddit normie reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Truxol
r u hacker 4chan
http://imgur.com/gallery/sy9lVl4
Truxol
http://i.imgur.com/dzJUfZr.gif
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Truxol
omg u used the code gif... it is u 4chan!
Truxol
No no, let him vent, what he's got is fair criticism.
Absolutely not. You're expected to the work required of you in substantiating the cases for analysis by the Judicial Branch. There's plenty of work to be done on our end that you won't see for a bit; I'm appalled that you'd accuse me of such complacency!
Again ^ you'll be doing what is requested & necessary for developing the case.
So you are saying when Civ brought his case against Alistia, we should not have investigated the issue ourselves (the unbiased JB) instead we should have had Civ (the plaintiff) do the investigation? Answer this.
"There's plenty of work to be done on our end that you won't see for a bit"
If not investigating regional issues, what work are you talking about? I used to be in the JB and [B]investigation of issues was the main job. [/B]
Look at these:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=704692
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=719483
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gyuamno/detail=factbook/id=752369
[B]These were all done by members of the council, not by the defendants or the plaintiffs[/B], because the council is expected to be the neutral arbiter. The council's job IS to collect evidence, for and against, and investigate.
So if you are not investigating issues brought to you, then are doing nothing. Absolutely nothing, and you should pass your seat to another council member who would actually do their work and responsibility.
Not at all. All I'm directly asking you to do is [I]submit a claim or statement to me regarding each of the individual situations because the court doesn't operate on memes and hashtags.[/I] I don't want to have to speculate your positions while writing the case file.
Composition of the appropriate case files and associated documents? What else would I be talking about?
[B]I'm aware. I took the time to compile all of that information into the Judicial Branch master dispatch you can find linked in the WFE. Thanks for the free ELI5.
:-) let's talk about how much Truxol, Civilisunio, and other former Chief Justices have contributed to the Judicial Council as well, shall we? Or we can just lynch Malcholm on day one for objecting to Mugwop's interpretation of a seat of government that exists by means of no legislation.
If there's anyone other than Mugwop who feels as though Forestavia or VIVA ITALIA have wronged them in doing what Mugwop has purported, I ask that you please come forward. The reason I'm handling these cases as such is that not enough people have come forward to substantiate wrongdoing against the region at behest of the accused. The court does not view VIVA ITALIA's ejection of Civilisunio as unwarranted, and does not view Forestavia's inaction as treasonous, treacherous, or in any way a danger to the stability of the region. On the other hand, Gyuamno clearly abused his powers as delegate in open defiance of our existing system of governance and needs to be treated as such. I feel this is a more pressing matter than either of the other issues brought forward, however, they will still be looked in to. Just want to make that crystal-clear. This whole time, I haven't been saying that I won't look into them. I'm saying that I won't open formal investigation or a case file because I don't feel as though either of the situations warrant it, just as I won't re-open Cuba's dead case. I'm not going to create unnecessary work.
Viva Italia
Alright [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], if you want a more specific statement, here it is:
1. You must prosecute [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] for inciting chaos and mess in the region for his own entertainment. [B]This is not the first time he has done it[/B], but we should prosecute him so that it becomes the last. Numerous times before he has done this "chaos week" shenanigans. [B]He never does the dirty work himself[/B], he just gives command and permission as the Emperor to a subordinate delegate to go around banning and suppressing people. If you want to prosecute [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], feel free to do so (in fact I recommend that as well) but prosecuting Gyuamno alone doesn't matter, because in the future Forest will just do this same mess again using another delegate. Moreover, [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] will intentionally allow the founder [nation=short]Oakplumington[/nation] to CTE tomorrow just to put the region in a state of danger. This is further testament and proof that from time to time he likes to put the region in a state of anarchy, while he sits back and laughs as turmoil unfolds.
He is a damned sadist and you know it.
For that he must be taught a lesson by banning all of his Forestavia nations, including [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]Southern_Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]Northern_Forestavia[/nation] and other similarly named nations.
2. You must prosecute [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] for unjustly ejecting and banning [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation]. Viva banned Civ because Civ posted this https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=25692552, binary translation: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=25692637 Google Latin translation: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=25692654
Based on this Viva claimed that Civ is going to ban people, a very long jump in conclusion that everyone else thought is unfair. The consensus was that if Civ going to do something bad on the way out, he couldn't have done anything that isn't an easy and quick fix, and that Viva should have waited and acted on something that is real, so that he would have a an actual claim on Civ. [B]The main reason that Viva needs to be prosecuted on this[/B] is that if we do not, we will create a precedence that it is okay to ban verified citizens of the region, just because someone in the goverment felt the citizen was being weird or they didn't like what they said. Ejections and bans must be taken most seriously, and failure to do so must have consequences.
These are my statements. If that's not enough, I don't know what it is. You should study this starting Thursday June 1st with [nation=short]Truxol[/nation] and [nation=short]New_Bacon[/nation].
Forestavia, Malcholm
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#BurnTheForest
#covfefe
Truxol
So what happens in regards to the election?The vote was tied but Parakka is emperor now
Revote? I dunno
Viva Italia
Forest would tiebreak but as he won't be emperor in 15 hours it would fall on The Delegate who is Parakka who is in the election.And Parakka would also have to resign from the wa if he wants to be elected
Malcholm, Truxol
And the next in line for delegate is Lemon
Exotic Lemon
It's a pickle. As your right as Delegate I hold the tie break vote which I would natrally throw my way. However, to become PM I would have to give up being delegate yet if I throw away the PM position I could lose my delegate position tomorrow and then I lose out entirely..... you see the difficult position I'm in I'm sure?
Forestavia, New Bacon, Illfated, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia
Of course.You have to make a decision on way or another
Illfated
You should stay delegate.
Far too often have you been ousted, while not accomplishing your goals.
The 3 successors behind you with most endos (lemon, bacon, teurs) don't want to be delegate, it is up to you to step up to the place and lead our region into a place of glory, which has not been seen for almost a year.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
huh? I was going to run for delegate later today, I just didn't have any time to write up a campaign. I would be nice to have the delegacy, but I will not be offended or upset if I don't get it again.
Gyuamno, Illfated, Truxol
I am not trying to steal the position though, if parakka wants it I would be happy to wait to campaign for it. My statements earlier were just making sure that people knew I wouldn't be aggressively running for it.
Truxol
Lenin- I mean Lemon for Delegate 2017
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
I will proudly appear before the Lunar Council also known as the Judicial Body for these [I]alleged[/I] crimes. These accusations have no actual substance to them, [I]whatsoever[/I]. I will go through the list point by point at the trial, when I have gathered all evidence for my defense....
EVIDENCE AND WITNESS TESTIMONY REQUEST:
[nation=short]Alistia[/nation], I need you to come to my trial as a witness. You have some testimony that will be key to my defense.
[nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], although you are serving as judge I will need your testimony, too.
Gyuamno, Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Illfated, Exotic Lemon
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