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The Immortal Elysium wrote:Don't think that's going to happen.

I'll give you a small loan of $300. I'll even move and help run the place for you.

Malcholm

Gyuamno wrote:I'll give you a small loan of $300. I'll even move and help run the place for you.

You come up (down?) here first.

Malcholm

The Immortal Elysium wrote:You come up (down?) here first.

Down. If you have some properties lined up I'll come check it out.

Gyuamno wrote:Down. If you have some properties lined up I'll come check it out.

No properties as of yet....but I would like to know of my prospective employees.

The Immortal Elysium wrote:No properties as of yet....but I would like to know of my prospective employees.

You and me in the beginning. Full time pizza making. Then we can start looking for an employee.

Malcholm, Civilisunio

Gyuamno wrote:You and me in the beginning. Full time pizza making. Then we can start looking for an employee.

Alright, first step first.

Buy out the pizza from the other place.

70 medium pizzas, 80 large.

Gyuamno wrote:You and me in the beginning. Full time pizza making. Then we can start looking for an employee.

I need a job bby.

Gyuamno

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Alright, first step first.

Buy out the pizza from the other place.

70 medium pizzas, 80 large.

Nah we need some fresh homemade pizza. We can discuss this later, we also have Civ with his pizza expertise.

Civilisunio wrote:I need a job bby.

Welcome aboard!

Civilisunio

Gyuamno wrote:Nah we need some fresh homemade pizza. We can discuss this later, we also have Civ with his pizza expertise.

You misunderstand. Buy out one pizza place, so customers will be forced ro come to ours.

The Immortal Elysium wrote:You misunderstand. Buy out one pizza place, so customers will be forced ro come to ours.

Ah yes. Going Rockefeller on them, I approve.

Gyuamno wrote:Ah yes. Going Rockefeller on them, I approve.

Yep! So, I need a couple thousand dollars.

Gyuamno

Gyuamno wrote:Nah we need some fresh homemade pizza. We can discuss this later, we also have Civ with his pizza expertise.

Welcome aboard!

Yes. *Civ Places on a pizza hat and a pizza tuxedo* I knew i would be able to use this some day!

Gyuamno

Civilisunio wrote:Yes. *Civ Places on a pizza hat and a pizza tuxedo* I knew i would be able to use this some day!

How fast are our reflexes?

Civilisunio

The Immortal Elysium wrote:How fast are our reflexes?

I dont know about you but *Civ brings in military personnel* Imma catch this bullet! *The bullets fires and goes threw civs hand* Well my hand caught it.

Civilisunio wrote:I dont know about you but *Civ brings in military personnel* Imma catch this bullet! *The bullets fires and goes threw civs hand* Well my hand caught it.

Hmm.

Well, during peak hours we'll have many pizzas coming through the oven. Are you fast enought to take them out the oven, box them, and cut them before any others fall out the oven?

The oven is like a conveyor belt type thing, so no doors.

Civilisunio

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Hmm.

Well, during peak hours we'll have many pizzas coming through the oven. Are you fast enought to take them out the oven, box them, and cut them before any others fall out the oven?

The oven is like a conveyor belt type thing, so no doors.

Si.

Gyuamno wrote:As there is no current date of when a constitution will be finished (it's been months), we should look to rectify the problem in the meantime. A very fundamental piece is missing in this region, what does it mean to be a citizen? This will also enable us to understand who and who is not covered by certain laws.

I support [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation]'s notion of proposing a bill that would define citizenship as the constitution can still be months away from completion.

If you are to propose your bill, ensure there is a section that clearly states that the law will be void after the establishment of the constitution.

Thank you for your support.

I'm of the view that if the bill passes a vote then the unfinished (which is a key arguement here) constitution can and should be amended to reflect the new citizenship bill.

Parakka Northland wrote:Thank you for your support.

I'm of the view that if the bill passes a vote then the unfinished (which is a key arguement here) constitution can and should be amended to reflect the new citizenship bill.

I recommend that you split up the dispatch about your proposals, as the issues are not related and cannot be properly voted on at the same poll (but we can vote on them at the same time by having a poll in TMC and another in MC)

I for one don't support the first proposal, but support the second.

Mugwop wrote:I recommend that you split up the dispatch about your proposals, as the issues are not related and cannot be properly voted on at the same poll (but we can vote on them at the same time by having a poll in TMC and another in MC)

I for one don't support the first proposal, but support the second.

I'll look into that when I'm next at the pc as it seems reasonable to do as suggested

What a disastrous morning so far.

Civilisunio

Mugwop wrote:Alright well that's good, but the question remains of when will it be public?

I'm not trying to pressure you, just trying to see if there's a timeline for it.

Soon mugwop. Soon.

Parakka Northland wrote:In theory as my proposal has been made and can be debated / voted on. There's no reason not to put it to the vote and if it passes change your part of the constitution in accordance

Yeah sorry about that, I was tired when I made that post and it was a bit unfair in places, again sorry. In terms of the legislator we have the house of Lords and parliament, but it's never used as it should be in the region and I don't think a lot of people understand how it's meant to work (me included) as it doesn't have any correlation to the current government / judicial structure that is in place at present.

I don't understand how it works either. Which is why I haven't made any proposals.

Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:Afraid not, we don't have a constitution.... yes one is in the pipeline but it's been that way for the last month odd. So we can still vote on my proposition for citizenship right as there is no legal reason why we can't. Plus even if we did have a constitution which covered it we could still vote to amend it. So again there's no reason why not to vote on it. [B]I have requested a poll to be posted and I would like the government to act on my request, otherwise I will request that the Emperor makes the poll and bring a case against the government for denying my request without any solid legal reason.

Officials keep making changes to the constitution so it cannot be viewed publicly until the constitution is straight. Then we'll get public opinion. You all are starting to see how hard it is to get pass the stages. Forest didn't do it but if I'm writing this constitution, there are stages. The constitution is still in stage one. The officers have to crack the egg in order for the public to view it. Yes the constitution is in a pipeline as of now.

Parakka Northland

Gyuamno wrote:What a disastrous morning so far.

Lol why?

New Bacon wrote:Officials keep making changes to the constitution so it cannot be viewed publicly until the constitution is straight. Then we'll get public opinion. You all are starting to see how hard it is to get pass the stages. Forest didn't do it but if I'm writing this constitution, there are stages. The constitution is still in stage one. The officers have to crack the egg in order for the public to view it. Yes the constitution is in a pipeline as of now.

I'm not disputing that there are not stages or that it's not in the pipeline as I knew it was a month ago but that doesn't mean my proposal cannot be voted on

Ok guys I've split my proposals up

Legislator amendments:- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=761344

Citizenship Bill:- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=762848

Gyuamno, Forestavia

New Bacon wrote:Lol why?

I ordered stuff, recieved only half. Went home, had to run back to pick up the other half. Realized one of the things was incorrect had to get a refund. Bought the correct thing only to realize I probably won't need it. So about to return $300 garbage sometime tomorrow or later if I feel like going back.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:This is useful. Save this link in your favorites.

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/default.htm

Product: Holiday White Peppermint Hostess® Twinkies

Reason: Salmonella

Anyone eating Twinkies in this day and age is just asking for salmonella.

[nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] you could've just DMd me if you really wanted that poll 😂

Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:I'm not disputing that there are not stages or that it's not in the pipeline as I knew it was a month ago but that doesn't mean my proposal cannot be voted on

didnt say that youre proposal couldnt be voted on.

Parakka Northland

OOC: So are we like gonna do any RPing at all or...

Forestavia, Malcholm

Ann Arbour wrote:OOC: So are we like gonna do any RPing at all or...

We hardly do RP in this region anymore. If you want RP, you should go to Parakka's region: Solar Alliance. I do all my RP over there. They even have embassy posting so that you don't have to worry about relocating if you don't want to.

Parakka Northland

Ann Arbour wrote:OOC: So are we like gonna do any RPing at all or...

TMC is more like a regional development/regional government region with a dash of RP here and there.

Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:Product: Holiday White Peppermint Hostess® Twinkies

Reason: Salmonella

Anyone eating Twinkies in this day and age is just asking for salmonella.

I heard about that on the news.

Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:[nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] you could've just DMd me if you really wanted that poll 😂

Not seen you on discord over the last few days and didn't want to bother you if you were busy ☺😂

Malcholm

Viva Italia wrote:You said puppets or nations with intent of harm arent citiziens

i said puppets WITH intent of harm aren't citizens.

puppets that tell us their main nation and wa nations should be citizens

Forestavia

Parakka Northland wrote:Not seen you on discord over the last few days and didn't want to bother you if you were busy ☺😂

im against the legislative amendment.

on the citizen amendment i agree with clause 1, against clause 2, and partially agree on clause 3

Alistia wrote:i said puppets WITH intent of harm aren't citizens.

puppets that tell us their main nation and wa nations should be citizens

So just to be clear, what you are saying is that a nation that is a main or a puppet, must make the whereabouts of its WA known to be a citizen. Is that what you're saying?

I have finally crashed my Economy at 0

My Civil Rights are at 7 and my Political Freedom are at 6. Soon I will crush them as well.

Gyuamno, Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Aratain

Also will resign the WA so that they don't screw up my trends. Will rejoin if my WA is needed.

Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:I have finally crashed my Economy at 0

My Civil Rights are at 7 and my Political Freedom are at 6. Soon I will crush them as well.

All hail Lord Mugwop!

New Bacon, Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:I have finally crashed my Economy at 0

My Civil Rights are at 7 and my Political Freedom are at 6. Soon I will crush them as well.

Invasion probable. Taliban like.

Malcholm

Can someone please post the poll I requested a few days ago? I have to say I miss [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] running polls at least he actually posted them and kept on top of them.

FYI:- [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] & [nation=short]Teurs[/nation]

New Bacon, Malcholm

Alistia wrote:im against the legislative amendment.

on the citizen amendment i agree with clause 1, against clause 2, and partially agree on clause 3

Ok that's only somewhat informative, would you be nice enough to actually say why your against those parts and what you would change and why?

Personally I think they are fair and address the issues we have been having quite nicely

I've brought my WA back here again and possibly thinking of running for delegate again

Malcholm, Truxol

Parakka Northland wrote:Can someone please post the poll I requested a few days ago? I have to say I miss [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] running polls at least he actually posted them and kept on top of them.

FYI:- [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] & [nation=short]Teurs[/nation]

Which proposal do you want to go first? Legislator Amendments or the Citizenship Bill?

I didn't know I could do polls too. Even you left me out :P

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:i said puppets WITH intent of harm aren't citizens.

puppets that tell us their main nation and wa nations should be citizens

That is not what your earlier post said however I do agree with you.

Parakka Northland

Gyuamno wrote:Which proposal do you want to go first? Legislator Amendments or the Citizenship Bill?

I didn't know I could do polls too. Even you left me out :P

I didn't know either :) well can we do the Citizenship Bill as that's the most important out of the two please

New Bacon

Parakka Northland wrote:I didn't know either :) well can we do the Citizenship Bill as that's the most important out of the two please

Then we can do the legislative one after :) thank you btw [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation]

Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm

First time making a poll, if it is too confusing I will remove it.

FOR - You support the bill in its entirety.

AGAINST COMPLETELY - You are against a bill establishing citizenship.

AGAINST PARTIALLY - You will support the bill if changes are made. (Post on RMB)

Against completely and partially will be tallied together to determine if the majority is For or Against.

Malcholm

I allowed four days so those who are partially against are able to discuss on the RMB with reasonable time and can then change their vote to FOR if they agree with the new changes.

Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:Can someone please post the poll I requested a few days ago? I have to say I miss [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] running polls at least he actually posted them and kept on top of them.

FYI:- [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]

Sorry! I got caught up with college and work, so it completely slipped my mind. Thanks @gyamno for getting it up!

Gyuamno, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:Sorry! I got caught up with college and work, so it completely slipped my mind. Thanks @gyamno for getting it up!

its all cool, i just know what its like here, Drama happens and stuff gets forgotten. So i wanted to get the polls in as quickly as possible (Particularly the citizenship one)

Malcholm

[nation=short]parakka[/nation] this proposal doesn't involve the kicking of puppets does it?

Parakka Northland

Post self-deleted by New Bacon.

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]parakka[/nation] this proposal doesn't involve the kicking of puppets does it?

Just wanted clarification

Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]parakka[/nation] this proposal doesn't involve the kicking of puppets does it?

No not at all that would be insane.

New Bacon

To summarise the proposal (and this is where I will get confused between TMC proposal and SA citizenship act haha)

7 Days temporary citizenship for new members - this is only for regional laws nothing else is granted

Full citizenship - means can become an officer, vote, protected by regional laws and propose legislation

Foreign Nations (None citizens) - Can't vote, Can't hold an officer position, Can't propose legislation

That's it in a nut shell (without the definitions)

Gyuamno, Malcholm

Hmm....so the proposal isn't for kicking puppets....but what about punching puppets?

Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:To summarise the proposal (and this is where I will get confused between TMC proposal and SA citizenship act haha)

7 Days temporary citizenship for new members - this is only for regional laws nothing else is granted

Full citizenship - means can become an officer, vote, protected by regional laws and propose legislation

Foreign Nations (None citizens) - Can't vote, Can't hold an officer position, Can't propose legislation

That's it in a nut shell (without the definitions)

Following this you will need to crate a database of all nations in the region establishing their status.

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:Following this you will need to crate a database of all nations in the region establishing their status.

That would be correct, i would suggest if the bill is passed that three lists be created one by the founder, one by either the Delegate or Prime Minister and one by the Judaical President then at some point, again i would suggest once per month those lists to be compared and updated etc and then one list to be pinned to the region factbook.

New Bacon

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Hmm....so the proposal isn't for kicking puppets....but what about punching puppets?

I'm for punching [nation=short]The_Immortal_Elysium[/nation].

Sorry, not really.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:That would be correct, i would suggest if the bill is passed that three lists be created one by the founder, one by either the Delegate or Prime Minister and one by the Judaical President then at some point, again i would suggest once per month those lists to be compared and updated etc and then one list to be pinned to the region factbook.

Actually... I would say you don't even need to do that much work. All you would need is a text doc, maybe kept on Discord or just on your PC. I think the Founder, Delegate, and PM should all share the same doc, rather than keeping three separate ones. Cut out all that extra work!!

Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:Actually... I would say you don't even need to do that much work. All you would need is a text doc, maybe kept on Discord or just on your PC. I think the Founder, Delegate, and PM should all share the same doc, rather than keeping three separate ones. Cut out all that extra work!!

That's not a bad idea, I'll let time all figure it out if the bill passes

Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:That would be correct, i would suggest if the bill is passed that three lists be created one by the founder, one by either the Delegate or Prime Minister and one by the Judaical President then at some point, again i would suggest once per month those lists to be compared and updated etc and then one list to be pinned to the region factbook.

Unless someone volunteers, you gotta create the lists yourself and hand them over, as you are the author of the proposal. Maintaining the lists in the future however will be the task of the Founder, Judicial President and Delegate.

Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:Unless someone volunteers, you gotta create the lists yourself and hand them over, as you are the author of the proposal. Maintaining the lists in the future however will be the task of the Founder, Judicial President and Delegate.

Fair enough

Malcholm, Mugwop

[nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation], regarding your vote on the poll, please provide details on your stance.

Mugwop wrote:[nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation], regarding your vote on the poll, please provide details on your stance.

It shouldn't be required to join the WA. It proves almost nothing. Even a puppet could join.

Gyuamno

Ann Arbour wrote:It shouldn't be required to join the WA. It proves almost nothing. Even a puppet could join.

It proves that the person behind the nation cannot manipulate our elections. 1 person can only have 1 nation in the WA at any given time. So implementing this as a law will result in ensuring that 1 person cannot use multiple nations of theirs to manipulate our polls. That after all is the main reason why we need this act, to combat vote fraud.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:It proves that the person behind the nation cannot manipulate our elections. 1 person can only have 1 nation in the WA at any given time. So implementing this as a law will result in ensuring that 1 person cannot use multiple nations of theirs to manipulate our polls. That after all is the main reason why we need this act, to combat vote fraud.

They could log in from different locations.

Ann Arbour wrote:They could log in from different locations.

True, but they will have to risk incurring the wrath of the mods if they get busted. And contrary to popular belief, the NS server doesn't just track the IP address to catch cheaters, there's a bunch of other metrics used to bust them. Beside, even if they go through the trouble of circumventing the website rules just to cheat us, it would be even much harder for a person to make more than 2 WA and commit fraud. So that way even if something goes wrong, it can never have a major effect.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:True, but they will have to risk incurring the wrath of the mods if they get busted. And contrary to popular belief, the NS server doesn't just track the IP address to catch cheaters, there's a bunch of other metrics used to bust them. Beside, even if they go through the trouble of circumventing the website rules just to cheat us, it would be even much harder for a person to make more than 2 WA and commit fraud. So that way even if something goes wrong, it can never have a major effect.

If this region is about democracy, you shouldn't be allowed to force a nation to join the WA. It really proves nothing.

It's more about staying true to your core values.

Ann Arbour wrote:It's more about staying true to your core values.

Unfortunately not everyone has core values or wishes to stay true to them.

Parakka Northland wrote:Unfortunately not everyone has core values or wishes to stay true to them.

Then don't call this region democratic.

Ann Arbour wrote:Then don't call this region democratic.

An individuals core values doesn't mean that the region isnt democratic

Parakka Northland wrote:An individuals core values doesn't mean that the region isnt democratic

Then alter your nation, not the region. I will not join the WA, regardless.

Malcholm

Ann Arbour wrote:Then alter your nation, not the region. I will not join the WA, regardless.

My nation is fine, thank you for your concern though, and if you don't want to join the WA that is your choice

Ann Arbour wrote:Then alter your nation, not the region. I will not join the WA, regardless.

I just noticed you just resigned from the WA? I thought you were not going to join it to begin with?

Parakka Northland wrote:My nation is fine, thank you for your concern though, and if you don't want to join the WA that is your choice

Correct. No legislation forcing a nation to prove its validity will be supported. Corruption in democracy will not be tolerated.

Malcholm

Ann Arbour wrote:Then alter your nation, not the region. I will not join the WA, regardless.

Good on you. I'm subject to the whims of the WA since I've taken up R/D >.>

Alistia, Ann Arbour, Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:I just noticed you just resigned from the WA? I thought you were not going to join it to begin with?

Compliance, initially.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Ann Arbour wrote:Compliance, initially.

Ah thank you for clearing that up, naturally I was confused given your stance and then noticing you just resigned.

Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:Ah thank you for clearing that up, naturally I was confused given your stance and then noticing you just resigned.

Indeed. I joined before I knew the justification behind the requirement.

Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:Unless someone volunteers, you gotta create the lists yourself and hand them over, as you are the author of the proposal. Maintaining the lists in the future however will be the task of the Founder, Judicial President and Delegate.

[nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation] is an oldie from the UTNA, Oak and I's old region. I'll vouch for their legitimacy in polls.

On that note though, it would certainly help if you joined the WA occasionally, AA. Forestavia may be the founder, but he's more some time for life stuff lately.

Ann Arbour, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:but he's more some time for life stuff lately.

*but he's taking more time for some RL stuff as of late.

Parakka Northland

Ann Arbour wrote:Indeed. I joined before I knew the justification behind the requirement.

Well the current legislation being voted on efffects the citizenship of the regions members. I do have a dispatch for in on my nation profile, if you would like to read more? Though the region does have a fraud act that was installed when the old government system was replaced, which you might want to read up on.

Malcholm wrote:[nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation] is an oldie from the UTNA, Oak and I's old region. I'll vouch for their legitimacy in polls.

On that note though, it would certainly help if you joined the WA occasionally, AA. Forestavia may be the founder, but he's more some time for life stuff lately.

Perhaps. However, should their be any question of validity to ones nation, they should be kicked until they can prove that they're authentic. There shouldn't have to be a question in the first place.

We figured out puppets in UTNA by following patterns. Also, consider putting a password on this region. Would be wise.

Malcholm wrote:[nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation] is an oldie from the UTNA, Oak and I's old region. I'll vouch for their legitimacy in polls.

On that note though, it would certainly help if you joined the WA occasionally, AA. Forestavia may be the founder, but he's more some time for life stuff lately.

I don't know. I don't think that will quite cut it if the law passes. We can't just say the rules don't apply to this person because we know them. AA wants a democratic region, so he has to follow the rules set out in a democracy. The person has to be in the WA. If he doesn't want to join [nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation] in the WA, then that is absolutely fine, but he needs another nation somewhere in NS that is in the WA, that he keeps on our record about it's identity (this is BTW what I am doing as I am not joining [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] to WA)

Ann Arbour wrote:We figured out puppets in UTNA by following patterns. Also, consider putting a password on this region. Would be wise.

Following patterns works well only against weak infiltrators with no real raid experience. Case in point was the recent "raid" we had a short while ago. The infiltrators had no real experience, so the patterns were easy to spot. Unfortunately we sometimes are faced with people who are more competent and we can't easily notice their tricks. As to locking the region, that would be horrible thing to do; it would be the death of our region to isolate us. We should never do such thing unless Oak is gone.

Parakka Northland

Ann Arbour wrote:I'll just leave.

Well I hope you change your mind. I can of course see your point of view, but it's the only effective solution that we have against the problem.

Ann Arbour wrote:I'll just leave.

Aw! Well, if you're serious about RP (and want a smaller/ mid-sized to do it in), I'd seriously reccomend the Solar Alliance. The use a RL map, and have pretty decently established themselves.

Parakka Northland

Ann Arbour wrote:We figured out puppets in UTNA by following patterns. Also, consider putting a password on this region. Would be wise.

Oak/ Forest is adamantly against passwording the region, it had something to do with retention rates? We like to let people come and go as they please.

Parakka Northland

Before I can agree to the terms outlined by Parakka in his citizenship bill, I'd like to see a proper bill write-up submitted without grammatical inconsistencies. If you guys ever need something proof-read in that regard, run it by me! I'm a bit of an addict to making documents phonetically and grammatically correct.

Gyuamno

Malcholm wrote:Before I can agree to the terms outlined by Parakka in his citizenship bill, I'd like to see a proper bill write-up submitted without grammatical inconsistencies. If you guys ever need something proof-read in that regard, run it by me! I'm a bit of an addict to making documents phonetically and grammatically correct.

Yes please [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] make it nice and tidy.

Gyuamno, Malcholm

I'm going to your competitor [nation=short]The_Immortal_Elysium[/nation], Little Caesars!

Malcholm

(╯°□°)–︻╦╤─ – – – [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]

Gyuamno, Malcholm

The Immortal Elysium wrote: (╯°□°)–︻╦╤─ – – – [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]

dies

Malcholm

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