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Region: The Mystical Council
Hello friends
Malcholm, Terran Flux, The Immortal Elysium
Yes.
My job is to interpret law, but I've taken to fixing what others have started on the side. The same can be said of you; you're a citizen of the region, better yet, currently holding the highest 'elected' office. Let's see you pump out laws to magically fix the region without disenfranchising the native populace.
Sure, you're right, but that's an inherently flawed argument. For sake of example: would I be allowed by the region to overthrow the existing government on my authority as JCP just because there's no law specifically barring me from the act?
There's no law explicitly stating that your word as the Delegate is law, so I ask: which law gives you the authority to issue executive orders, and which law compels the government to see them carried through?
The way I see it, Parakka knew full well the ramifications of announcing and carrying through his own resignation. In an identical situation, would you have granted Civ or Lemon the same grace had they changed their minds and re-ran for the same position in the follow-up special election? I think it's pertinent to ensure that people understand that their actions have consequences--that was instituted the moment our region decided we should abide by the laws we write.
Food for thought.
Alistia, New Bacon
Hey he is delegate and emperor so can do that. Besides you can't complain about him stopping a poll, when you did.
You are missing one vital point, that being I could have reinstated myself. Plus to add a point and that being up until now everyone was more than happy to let the delegate decide if I were to be reinstated or not.
New Bacon
Oh for those of you who are using a real world example of people resigning. I would remind you the courts don't seem to behave in a real world manner, note has the government. Finally this is a game so leeway should be given
Thats a lie, he isnt emperor.
It was decided that exotic lemon would be emperor even if he lost the delegate position.
The courts dont act like in the uk you mean.
New Bacon
Decided by Who? It was decided as delegate Lemon would be emperor. Now he isn't delegate he is simply a normal nation.
And yes but probably also not like they should in the U.S.
You guys back to your mess? I thought you are rebuilding the system? And yeah Gyuamno is Emperor since he is a native delegate. Forest said Lemon is "eternal" Emperor, but he had no authority to declare that. Anyway, was does the delegate have only 3 endorsements? If you don't like him you could quickly elect someone else.
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Wat r u gonna do, chief lands? Put Big Daddy on the treadmill? cus then he'll be BIG & BUFF!
BIG BUFF DADDY!
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
;*
Give big buff daddy a hug
Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
This is unbelievably creepy
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm, Teapoticus
I'll keep'm runnin, yeah, runnin for the hills 😎
Gyuamno, Teapoticus
No laws to say I couldn't be reinstated. Please keep in mind I could have been very self serving and reinstated myself but I didn't.
Also as delegate he acting emperor or so I've been told numerous times. When Lemon was delegate no one complained about saying he was emperor of the region. Yet people complain now? Double standards much.
I've already conceded that point. There'd be a [I]much[/I] larger outcry had you done that, so I kind of wish you had.
You'd be correct. I'm not complaining about the fact that he's the de-facto emperor, I'm complaining about how he's chosing to use his powers. I'm complaining that he's issuing "executive orders" that have no base in our laws as they exist in their current state. Sure, he's the region's executive, but we never granted the executive the authority to appoint officers as they see fit. I'm not playing a game of "Oh, that's not a law! We can totally just get away with whatever we want!" It's childish, at best. You know the kinds of problems that causes.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Forestavia issued a series of "Royal Decrees" as Emperor of the region. That dispatch no longer exists, as such, the terms laid out in them no longer hold precedence over us as regional law--as they shouldn't have in the first place.
Alistia, New Bacon
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=454436
I'd also like to vote to overturn and nullify Regional Law #1 and the Treaty Decree by Star King Nodenpuff, as neither apply to the current culture or lore of our region.
Alistia, New Bacon
I know you conceded the point but others hadn't so merely pointed it out. I'm aware of the outcry that would have caused hence why I didn't do it.
I'm aware but there is a pecident set already for their use and by and large acceptance or at least acceptance when it suits people.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Not against it. Though I would say it's a shame the region over the last year has lost a lot of its culture and identity that made it unique from others
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm
xoxox
I luv my BBD! ;)
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
Wats so creepy about it? Haven't met u yet, Italy. Im Ice-T.
Hes your big buff daddy too u know. Now go over there and give him a heartfelt hug. Keep it real man
VIVA LA VIDA LOCA!
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm
Y u people give El Pakka the short stick? He's prime minister he should be tellin u all wat to do
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm
Lol
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Teapoticus
I would say that the reinstatement on Parakka is neither legal or illegal as there is no written law on it.
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
shame on you, i will never sign off on this!
you should be worried about other things than a dang holiday! get to work doing real stuff! OR GET DRAINED!
Malcholm
A SAW A SIGN IN THE CLOUDS AND A LITTLE BIRDIE VISITED ME---
THERE ARE GRUMBLINGS OF A POSSIBLE CONSPIRACY TO OUT ME AS YOUR BELOVED BIG DADDY DELEGATE, FOR NO REASON MAY I REMIND YOU.
THIS WILL BE MET WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.
PREPARE TO GET BANNED OR EJECTED! I WILL FOLLOW THROUGH IF YOU ARE IMPLICATED!
Malcholm, Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
This is the post with the mostest reasonable truth. Tasty Bacon speaks the truth!
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Tasty Bacon has some intelligent moments too. ;-)
Teapoticus, Exotic Lemon
Hello ladies and gentlemen, how is everyone doing this evening/afternoon?
Malcholm
A new policy! I will promise endos to those who support El Pakka and the big daddy agenda.
Malcholm
Hello. Im having a hooooooowwwwwwwling good time. And u good wolf?
The Fing Motherland
KEEP BIG DADDAYYYYYYYY!
It's going great. Alpha has decided to stop being a nomad and we're finally settling down into our last region. Now I'm trying to find new members to join and finding new regions for us to be friends with.
Ok, good luck on ur mission :)
The Fing Motherland, Malcholm
*howls*
Teapoticus
Thanks. How's the region doing? No problems I assume.
The Mystical Council Bourgois are upset that I have changed the status quo. So now they are trying to remove me from office, typical!
The Fing Motherland, Malcholm
I'm not sure.. I'm new
The Fing Motherland, Malcholm
Ah, I see. Welcome aboard then. I'm sure you'll find this region to be a marvelous place.
Malcholm, Teapoticus
Malcholm you have 10 minutes to write an essay (two pages, 12 font, century schoolbook, double spaced, 1 inch margins) saying how you will do a better job as the Chief Justice going forward. Big Daddy likes accountability!
Your response will determine whether you get DRAINED or not.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Unfortunate. If anything, I can offer some advice as to how you can potentially solve the situation to the satisfaction of both parties.
Gyuamno
Seems I知 to be sued people... I think before the trial starts I would like to understand the outcome that our good friend Alistia is hoping to get? Ban? or is it Ejection?
Tell them to give a guy a chance! Instead, they want the same few people as delegate. Malcholm, Alistia, or New Bacon!
Talk about corruption!
*scoffs*
The Fing Motherland, Malcholm
I wouldn't say corruption, but it does seem to reek of stagnancy. Under what conditions did you attain office?
Gyuamno
Finally someone with a brain on their shoulders.
Legitimate endorsement! Lemon left to go raid, and that changed the delegate to me.
The Fing Motherland
I see. Where is Lemon now? I would suggest having term limits as a method of keeping the region moving so as to not have one person be in power for too long.
Gyuamno
Lemon Man is off doing lemony things like making lemonade. I would accept term limits. Four score and seven years ago Parakka said he would resign as delegate after 100 days! Good idea!
It's corruption because they purposely move WAs and get people to join the region to endorse them! SAD!
The Fing Motherland, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Hmm. Curiouser and curiouser. Try voting on a dispatch that formally dictates that any person can maintain a position of power for no longer than X number of term limits consisting of X number of days, irregardless of whether or not those terms are consecutive or not.
Gyuamno
I would add I was at least 20 days if not more away from 100 when I was removed from being delegate
Gyuamno
Excellent idea! I will put it in motion THIS NIGHT because Big Daddy GETS THINGS DONE!
It will be 60-day terms of no more than 2 consecutive! Switching positions does not reset your term either!
The Fing Motherland, Parakka Northland
Perfect. I would go so far as to say they don't have to be consecutive either. Two terms per position. Period.
If we had a larger population that would work (This is also why we need to shrink the government!). We usually have the same 5 or so people run every time so we would have no one after 2 terms.
The Fing Motherland, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Limited government is love, limited government is life.
Parakka Northland
Exactly, I can run this place with only 2 other officers. That is all! Big Daddy is effective and quick!
The Fing Motherland
Bonfi YOU ARE WARNED. DO NOT COME BACK HERE!
WHO ELSE WANTS A PIECE OF THE BIG DADDY??????
The Fing Motherland, Parakka Northland
I'll take the leg.
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Do you want the dark or white meat?
The Fing Motherland, New Bacon
The bigger piece.
New Bacon
:o
The Fing Motherland, New Bacon
*Smacks lips, gets out BBQ sauce and moonshine*
New Bacon
I make my own BBQ sauce because I'm the sauce boss. I can send you the recipe if you want.
The Fing Motherland
Nice! I'll send you my moonshine recipe if you want.
Yknow what? Sure. I値l write your constitution too, while I知 at it. Might not happen tonight or tomorrow, work dictates so, but expect some BIG changes by Saturday ;)
(Am currently at work do not hang me for no response pls & thx)
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Term limits have went to the polls, been proposed, and failed.
Multiple times.
The Fing Motherland, New Bacon, Malcholm
Mainly because government officials don't want to give up power. It would be in everyone's best interest if the terms were limited so new people could contribute to the region.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
Teapoticus asked me to endo big daddy Gyuamno. The Baconians will let him have his fun as least for the next day or less.
Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
We've been waiting on Bacon's Constitution for a year! I can have one done lickity split! Forest even made one in just a few days! Not hard!
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I make it royal decree! No poll needed!
E Z
Big Daddy gets it done!
I told you it's the power hungry bourgeoisie!
*Hands Communist Manifesto*
We need fresh blood!
The Fing Motherland
You'd think my constitution would pass but it won't. I got to draft another one that could work with the current government.
Parakka Northland
i've never even saw it for a vote what do you mean not pass LOL
New Bacon
NEW GOVERNMENT COMING OUT IN A FEW MINUTES STAY TUNED!
It won't. I have to do some VERY HEAVY editing before getting it up for vote. You even made me rewrite the whole thing because of the bullet points!!! I haven't forgot that.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
Hahahaha I love you Bacon sorry <3
If it was too much you could have asked, I would have done it.
Oopsie.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
"Director of External Affairs"
Interesting
Glad you think so!
My job's easy.
Are there any nations who have issues with other regions? Cause if not, I'll just be doing what I usually do.
Gyuamno
Okay okay just hang with me for a second--
Yes I dismissed some of you (sorry), but your position didn't fall within the 2 positions I created. I kept Terran and Elysium because their prior position more of less has the same responsibilites. The Mystical Council is a unique region and that calls for a unique system of "government". When I think of The Mystical Council, I imagine of a utopian society. We don't have the traditional high strung Minister of this and Minister of that. We have directors who are appointed to overwatch the masses. Let's face it. The region is more or less self sufficient without government. If the government was completely abolished I am sure we would be fine... Going back to Forest's vision, we are okay without a founder nation. We just need a few people to be in charge if things head south. That's why these 3 positions I have made would be ideal.
WA Delegate is in charge of everything internal and is in trusted with the general guidance of the region. Director of External Affairs allows us to extend our presence out into the World and build close regional relationships. Shout out to The Bear Country. Director of Intelligence, they will keep us up to date on the latest threats throughout the World and from time to time will lead us into battle if the time so requires. I'm willing to give this system a go. You should feel confident in ourselves as a whole to believe we are more than capable to run the place with only a few nations. You may notice a lack of a judicial branch, I believe we should not use a traditional court system but instead a regional arbitration agreement. The 3 Director's will be the arbitrator panel and they will hear the case before them.
This is a very simple yet effective system. I don't believe The Mystical Council needs a government, it only needs a few people to iron out the rough patches when they occur.
The WA Delegate will be elected by the people and will have the power to appoint the 2 other Directors. WA Delegate (Director) will serve for 60 days, for no more than 2 consecutive terms. The other Directors can be replaced at the discretion of the WA Delegate for any reason what so ever.
In my entire time here there has been two court cases, one ludicrous in which the defendant was in absentia the entire time and another ludicrous one against our founder. We don't need 3 people devoted to sit on a judicial branch for such an infrequent amount of cases. They can be better used else where.
The legislative system is by popular vote. What the majority want is what we will abide by.
Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
I'm holding office hours!
Ask Big Daddy anything!
New Bacon, Teapoticus
My communist days are over. I can help, but I won't go back to communism.
Terran Flux
b i kno
Booo, put it back. If you think we can do better elsewhere, you should've left up the PM poll. Three rupees says I would've won and finally gotten out of the LC so I could do things.
We only have like 6 active people...
Gyuamno, Malcholm
Kids are annoying. Invest in birth control. Then your Nation can Rest In Peace
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Nah you wouldn't have done anything, just like everyone else who held the position. Parakka tried to do stuff and you all complained until he gave up. I do stuff and you all complain. You all like complacency, the system sucks, there is no need for 5 ministers or whatever the hell. We have ~30 nations and of which maybe 10 are active on the RMB and about ~6 government positions. I don't think a region where 60% of the active region is government. It seems desperate to look more active than what we are. You can do stuff, be elected director and you can do what you wish. Under this system everyone is empowered, bring a bill to vote, what more do you want? What do you consider "do things" actually means? Clearly you saw first hand the inefficiency of the system, yet you want me to put it back?
Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
Maube everyone is conplainong because your forcing un wanted changes without any input from everyone else being taken into consideration
They're called executive orders for a reason buddy ol pal!
Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
And I believe these changes are wanted. People wanted a smaller government, I made it smaller! I changed the names of the positions, Boo hoo!
Terran Flux, Teapoticus, Parakka Northland
So, uh,
Wow
Malcholm
You really know how to buff out the scratches Big Daddy I like the changes!
Parakka Northland
Woah, what the hell! Waaaaaaat did u do to Big Daddy!!!!!!!!???????????
I want my daddyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Parakka Northland
Nobody did anything to him.
I'm so confused I can hardly bare it
What's gonna happen?
Well, I have the most endorsements since he left, I'll be the delegate. Hopefully I can help calm things down
Pyrosky
Interesting.
Gyuamno and The Fing Motherland!
Yall have same flag!
The Fing Motherland, Teapoticus
Post self-deleted by The Fing Motherland.
No step on snek!
Edit: You just noticed?
Terran Flux, Teapoticus
Okay like, uhm.
I coulda sworn.
Yeah
The Fing Motherland
No worries. *gives you pat on the back and offers some moonshine*
Now, where on Gods Green Earth is Lemon?
Terran Flux
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