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The Mystical Council News Agency wrote:You are not subordinate, you are on equal footing. I cannot write many articles now, I am absolutely swamped. Maybe in the future I will tell people interested in writing the password so they can each use it to write articels

Wait for the other part of the Roleplay, the news company will eventually break up. However this is a privatized news company not in control of government.

Roleplay

Prime Minister Orion Guard begins trip to Rondaland, where he will sign the contract that will begin trade between the two nations in Arm Manufacturing.

Plugo

The Mystical Council News Agency wrote:You are not subordinate, you are on equal footing. I cannot write many articles now, I am absolutely swamped. Maybe in the future I will tell people interested in writing the password so they can each use it to write articels

gotta love how our news is in the top 10% for least corrupt

New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba

Plugo wrote:gotta love how our news is in the top 10% for least corrupt

So what is this minister thing all about?

Plugo, Exotic Lemon

Viva Italia wrote:So what is this minister thing all about?

Hey bud!

Long time no see.

The minister thing is my proposal to reform the government.

Currently we have the lunar council, a big form of government with 5 officers that have the same exact duties and barely get anything done and or take weeks of arguing to get things done.

I want to make it so instead of 5 members doing the same thing, each member has a specific duty like defense or embassies, etc.

Viva Italia

Plugo wrote:Hey bud!

Long time no see.

The minister thing is my proposal to reform the government.

Currently we have the lunar council, a big form of government with 5 officers that have the same exact duties and barely get anything done and or take weeks of arguing to get things done.

I want to make it so instead of 5 members doing the same thing, each member has a specific duty like defense or embassies, etc.

I like the idea of ministers mainly because I have no idea how the sentagon and the council's work. You have my vote!

Plugo, Exotic Lemon

Viva Italia wrote:I like the idea of ministers mainly because I have no idea how the sentagon and the council's work. You have my vote!

I like Cubas but it doesnt have enough votes to have any chance of winning

Plugo

Viva Italia wrote:I like Cubas but it doesnt have enough votes to have any chance of winning

Yeah, the other proposals are popular (hell i like some of them too) but early on we knew it would be a clash between mine and civs.

Viva Italia

Plugo wrote:Yeah, the other proposals are popular (hell i like some of them too) but early on we knew it would be a clash between mine and civs.

Civs seems a good but different than yours

Plugo

Viva Italia wrote:Civs seems a good but different than yours

Yeah, his idea is good on paper but a lot of us here a fed up with a big bureaucratic government system.

New Bacon

Plugo wrote:Yeah, his idea is good on paper but a lot of us here a fed up with a big bureaucratic government system.

The governement is quite large. I think the number has to be lessened. Parakkas idea is good how I think it gives to much power to congress.

New Bacon, Plugo

I just noticed @patvarus has CTE'd...

Now that the news has came to us today is a day of mourning..

We will have a funeral for him tomorrow.

He will also be receiving the honorable vikings award.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Viva Italia

RIP PATVARUS.

Malcholm, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon

Apologies everyone,

I was a little sick yesterday. So here's my plan. I'll make a dispatch with this outline shortly.

Three branches of government:

*An eleven member Lunar Council which includes the Delegate, the President of the Lunar Council, and 9 other Lunar Councillors. This will be the executive and judicial branch. Two Lunar Councillors will be elected every month. Sentagon will be entirely eliminated. Plugo and the four members of Parliament will be brought into the Lunar Council.

*Direct Democracy (legislative branch) - Every resident nation eligible to vote will vote on regional laws. All votes are equal.

*Direct Democracy with a twist (second legislative branch) - Every resident nation eligible to vote will vote on regional laws. This is the same as above with the exception of one key element. WA members will get 5 votes and non-WA will get 1.

Both Legislative branches contain the same group of nations.

A member of the Lunar Council cannot be a member of the Legislative branch.

Sentagon will be entirely eliminated due to ineffectiveness. The Secretary Delegate office would be eliminated as well.

The ORCA Rep would NOT be a member of the Lunar Council and would vote with the Legislature. Just to be clear, there would be one legislative branch, but 2 methods of counting votes.

So think about this for awhile everyone. I'll try to check in tomorrow or Saturday night. I'll try to get to my telegrams tomorrow.

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Plugo, who won the elections?

Post by Civilisunio suppressed by Plugo.

Civilisunio

Forestavia wrote:Plugo, who won the elections?

No one yet. 2 days untill We find out.

Forestavia wrote:Plugo, who won the elections?

I will make a factbook with the results right now

Viva Italia

Forestavia wrote:Apologies everyone,

I was a little sick yesterday. So here's my plan. I'll make a dispatch with this outline shortly.

Three branches of government:

*An eleven member Lunar Council which includes the Delegate, the President of the Lunar Council, and 9 other Lunar Councillors. This will be the executive and judicial branch. Two Lunar Councillors will be elected every month. Sentagon will be entirely eliminated. Plugo and the four members of Parliament will be brought into the Lunar Council.

*Direct Democracy (legislative branch) - Every resident nation eligible to vote will vote on regional laws. All votes are equal.

*Direct Democracy with a twist (second legislative branch) - Every resident nation eligible to vote will vote on regional laws. This is the same as above with the exception of one key element. WA members will get 5 votes and non-WA will get 1.

Both Legislative branches contain the same group of nations.

A member of the Lunar Council cannot be a member of the Legislative branch.

Sentagon will be entirely eliminated due to ineffectiveness. The Secretary Delegate office would be eliminated as well.

The ORCA Rep would NOT be a member of the Lunar Council and would vote with the Legislature. Just to be clear, there would be one legislative branch, but 2 methods of counting votes.

So think about this for awhile everyone. I'll try to check in tomorrow or Saturday night. I'll try to get to my telegrams tomorrow.

We have a vote going on for the changes right now though.

5 Votes for WA members is very outrageous and not democratic at all and i will do everything in my power to stop that from passing.

Plugo wrote:I will make a factbook with the results right now

But the poll is still up? Is this a different election?

Viva Italia wrote:But the poll is still up? Is this a different election?

this is for government changes, we had an election for sentagon seats before this.

Forestavia wrote:Plugo, who won the elections?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=685269

Forestavia

Plugo wrote:We have a vote going on for the changes right now though.

5 Votes for WA members is very outrageous and not democratic at all and i will do everything in my power to stop that from passing.

I see that. Carry on then.

I'll post an example tomorrow in my dispatch to explain it a little more. It is very democratic because the 5 vote thing would only happen with one branch out of three. I'll provide a concrete example so that everyone knows what I mean by it. There is a possibility I may not be online until Saturday evening, though.

Plugo

Plugo wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=685269

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plugo, Viva Italia

Forestavia wrote:I see that. Carry on then.

I'll post an example tomorrow in my dispatch to explain it a little more. It is very democratic because the 5 vote thing would only happen with one branch out of three. I'll provide a concrete example so that everyone knows what I mean by it. There is a possibility I may not be online until Saturday evening, though.

Kick everyone out of sentagon except sentagon and the semiwan colonial empire, we need to make it so only registered members can be in sentagon.

You should also remove the password so the winning nations can be appointed.

(Unless we are waiting for the current poll to be over before we appoint them, since in some of the proposals sentagon and the lc are merged in which case the sentagon council wont exist)

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Plugo wrote:Kick everyone out of sentagon except sentagon and the semiwan colonial empire, we need to make it so only registered members can be in sentagon.

You should also remove the password so the winning nations can be appointed.

(Unless we are waiting for the current poll to be over before we appoint them, since in some of the proposals sentagon and the lc are merged in which case the sentagon council wont exist)

Done. I've kept the password up though. You can give the winners the password so that they can be appointed over there.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Also [nation=short]Plugo[/nation],

I have no idea what powers to give the Parliamentary members. I just gave them everything but border control but if you had something else in mind just have New Bacon dismiss or add/remove authorities as needed.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

I'm glad to announce that I'm the new ambassador to the region Bunicken!

Forestavia, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Civilisunio

Lampar wrote:I'm glad to announce that I'm the new ambassador to the region Bunicken!

how is it?

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Lampar, Plugo

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:how is it?

It's going well.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba

The Order of Hospitallers has returned!

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon

Calatravan Knights wrote:The Order of Hospitallers has returned!

For how long? And welcome back

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Calatravan Knights

Exotic Lemon wrote:For how long? And welcome back

4ever

all my colledge cramping is done its easy stuff now.

i made a new nation though, this one is gonna be military and religious, my other ones in my pup storage

Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon

Calatravan Knights wrote:4ever

all my colledge cramping is done its easy stuff now.

i made a new nation though, this one is gonna be military and religious, my other ones in my pup storage

Welcome back. I am campaigning for the wa delegate

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo, Civilisunio

Exotic Lemon wrote:Welcome back. I am campaigning for the wa delegate

I endorse you btw

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo, Exotic Lemon

I will like to be in the sentagon. And join the capitalist party

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo

Dhinka wrote:I will like to be in the sentagon. And join the capitalist party

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Sentagon is closed at the moment.

But I'm sure that the Capitalist party will gladly accept you.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon

Dhinka wrote:I will like to be in the sentagon. And join the capitalist party

awesome! :^)

I will add you to both lists.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Hidimba

Lampar wrote:I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Sentagon is closed at the moment.

But I'm sure that the Capitalist party will gladly accept you.

the region of sentagon is closed, not the branch

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Lampar, Naumadal

Plugo wrote:the region of sentagon is closed, not the branch

Oh, okay.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Naumadal

Good day. I am honored to be in the Parliament. I will try my best to discharge the duties you have bestowed upon me. I hope you will me be beside me whenever I need your help. You will hold me accountable when I am wrong. I also commit to you that I will serve out my entire term in office and will not run for any other office during my tenure.

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Exotic Lemon

I was ejected from the sentagon. I don't think it is nice.

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Tomarland wrote:I was ejected from the sentagon. I don't think it is nice.

We asked everyone to move out polietly the first time.

Sentagon is home to regional government, not a camping site for any nation.

Access to Sentagon will be restricted to registered members of sentagon, if you wish to register send me a tg.

Current sentagon member list: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=683084

Malcholm

I find it interesting that all members of the parliament are wa.

I wannabe in the sentagon

Ilusat wrote:I wannabe in the sentagon

is this your main nation?

Tomarland wrote:I was ejected from the sentagon. I don't think it is nice.

I am sorry that you felt this way. But it is not a region. It is a government branch. I would like to tell you that we want you here. We need your help to make this region great.

Malcholm, Plugo

Kazukame wrote:I am sorry that you felt this way. But it is not a region. It is a government branch. I would like to tell you that we want you here. We need your help to make this region great.

Lol thats the nice version.

Off to bed goodnight all

Kazukame, Malcholm

Post self-deleted by Kazukame.

I think we should put up a password while the poll is up. Forestavia can you password it?

Kazukame

I find it interesting that almost all the current and former government voted plugo but all the brand new and "younger" nations vote civ. Only mug wop voted for civ, all other government a third party or plugo

Malcholm, Plugo

Exotic Lemon wrote:I find it interesting that almost all the current and former government voted plugo but all the brand new and "younger" nations vote civ. Only mug wop voted for civ, all other government a third party or plugo

The majority of WA nations are also supporting civilsunio's proposal

Exotic Lemon

Plugo wrote:is this your main nation?

Yes. I will be joining the spectrum party.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio

Ilusat wrote:Yes. I will be joining the spectrum party.

Welcome to the spectrum party!:) I would love it if you would vote for my proposal in the poll. It would mean alot!:)

Kazukame, Republic Of Greater Cuba

Exotic Lemon wrote:I find it interesting that almost all the current and former government voted plugo but all the brand new and "younger" nations vote civ. Only mug wop voted for civ, all other government a third party or plugo

half of the nations that have voted aren't even registered in sentagon.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Lampar

Exotic Lemon wrote:I think we should put up a password while the poll is up. Forestavia can you password it?

We should have done it way earlier, it won't matter anyway though, after the results of the poll are done i will put the poll results side by side with the sentagon list to determine the actual number of votes

Parakka Northland

I still don't understand why civ's proposal is so good, his has my ministers idea in it, the main difference is that he keeps the "lunar council" which's only purpose is to veto laws that the ministers have made.

Civilisunio

Plugo wrote:half of the nations that have voted aren't even registered in sentagon.

That's a problem...

Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia

Plugo wrote:I still don't understand why civ's proposal is so good, his has my ministers idea in it, the main difference is that he keeps the "lunar council" which's only purpose is to veto laws that the ministers have made.

I think it only serves as a check to the minister powers

Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Plugo wrote:I still don't understand why civ's proposal is so good, his has my ministers idea in it, the main difference is that he keeps the "lunar council" which's only purpose is to veto laws that the ministers have made.

On the contrary, The Lunar Council protects the citizens, protects their rights, and vetos laws. Inhad the minister idea written down before you did. Although you and others came up with the minister idea, I was the first to convey it.

Kazukame

Plugo wrote:We should have done it way earlier, it won't matter anyway though, after the results of the poll are done i will put the poll results side by side with the sentagon list to determine the actual number of votes

That will be akin to suppressing the will of the majority. And rules being forced upon by the elite

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio

Civilisunio wrote:On the contrary, The Lunar Council protects the citizens, protects their rights, and vetos laws. Inhad the minister idea written down before you did. Although you and others came up with the minister idea, I was the first to convey it.

your proposal has no president or leader of the council, a group of councilmen with no leader will be horrible.

Kazukame wrote:That will be akin to suppressing the will of the majority. And rules being forced upon by the elite

Some of plugo's voters aren't registered either.

We can't just have anyone moving puppets in and voting in elections.

Kazukame, Alistia, Plugo, Civilisunio

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:your proposal has no president or leader of the council, a group of councilmen with no leader will be horrible.

Some of plugo's voters aren't registered either.

We can't just have anyone moving puppets in and voting in elections.

Yes it does. The Ministry has the Delegate, and The Lunar-Sentagon Council has The Founder (Which is their to solve BIG problems).

Kazukame wrote:That will be akin to suppressing the will of the majority. And rules being forced upon by the elite

The WA pop getting 2 votes is also a suppression of the majority, but you're not against that.

Kazukame, Plugo, Naumadal

There social classes here?

Plugo, Civilisunio

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:There social classes here?

Lol nope

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Naumadal wrote:Lol nope

supposedly

Plugo, Naumadal

Alistia wrote:The WA pop getting 2 votes is also a suppression of the majority, but you're not against that.

indeed that's true.

Kazukame wrote:That will be akin to suppressing the will of the majority. And rules being forced upon by the elite

Considering that the sentagon voters act was passed with no opposition by sentagon, i would hardly say the "elite" (which you are a part of since your in parliament) is suppression the masses.

Kazukame, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

I think the voters act should be more strict, it is pretty obvious that on both sides some nations are puppets,

we have had over 5 nations move in here and vote in the poll, without commenting on the rmb or even answering an issue.

Forestavia, Plugo, Naumadal

We nee to stop voter fraud now. In fairness, why is it sentagons business to reform the lc? The lc isn't allowed to reform sentagon, but attempting to reform ourselves is suppression

Kazukame, Plugo, Parakka Northland, Naumadal

Exotic Lemon wrote:We nee to stop voter fraud now. In fairness, why is it sentagons business to reform the lc? The lc isn't allowed to reform sentagon, but attempting to reform ourselves is suppression

this is a reformation of the whole government, not juts one branch.

Malcholm

Plugo wrote:this is a reformation of the whole government, not juts one branch.

*just*

Exotic Lemon wrote:We nee to stop voter fraud now. In fairness, why is it sentagons business to reform the lc? The lc isn't allowed to reform sentagon, but attempting to reform ourselves is suppression

sentagon is also being reformed in some proposals though.

Post self-deleted by Exotic Lemon.

we honestly should just make it so only wa nations can vote, or with the exception of people doing a raid, if they show us their raiding nation that's in the WA.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal, Calatravan Knights

Avadam Inn, it looks pleasant.

Embassies, anyone?

Malcholm, Civilisunio

Plugo wrote:we honestly should just make it so only wa nations can vote, or with the exception of people doing a raid, if they show us their raiding nation that's in the WA.

I agree. I will delete the poll when u get home

Naumadal

Plugo wrote:we honestly should just make it so only wa nations can vote, or with the exception of people doing a raid, if they show us their raiding nation that's in the WA.

Yeah, I have one, because this nation got banned from WA.

Naumadal

Lampar wrote:Yeah, I have one, because this nation got banned from WA.

There will be exceptions.

I am also banned from the wa for a 'indeterminate' amount of time (which is forever probably)

Lampar

Plugo wrote:There will be exceptions.

I am also banned from the wa for a 'indeterminate' amount of time (which is forever probably)

But they ended permanet bans

Lampar, Plugo

Haha voted for the poll under the wrong nation whoops. :)

Plugo

Plugo wrote:There will be exceptions.

I am also banned from the wa for a 'indeterminate' amount of time (which is forever probably)

Yeah, my sentence is about 250 days.

Plugo

Naumadal wrote:But they ended permanet bans

They did in most cases, however because i have a "history of misconduct and rule violation" the moderation are allowed to give higher ban lengths at their digressions.

New Bacon

Lampar wrote:Yeah, my sentence is about 250 days.

Lucky

New Bacon, Lampar

Plugo wrote:Lucky

How long's yours?

New Bacon wrote:Haha voted for the poll under the wrong nation whoops. :)

Fix it then :)

Lampar wrote:How long's yours?

I don't know, i think its forever.

Lampar

Plugo wrote:Fix it then :)

I don't know, i think its forever.

You can check by trying to apply again.

It tells you how long. Mine's 259 days.

Plugo

Lampar wrote:You can check by trying to apply again.

It tells you how long. Mine's 259 days.

Mods haven't determined how long my sentance is yet.

New Bacon, Lampar

Plugo wrote:Mods haven't determined how long my sentance is yet.

Ah, I see.

What'd you do?

New Bacon, Plugo

Plugo wrote:Fix it then :)

Just did. I voted under [nation=short]bacon central news[/nation] instead of my main.

Naumadal

Lampar wrote:Ah, I see.

What'd you do?

Well, i used a wa nation on my pc and a wa nation on my phone once, to help a friend raid.

Also my "past flaming" of communist regions.

New Bacon, Lampar

Plugo wrote:Well, i used a wa nation on my pc and a wa nation on my phone once, to help a friend raid.

Also my "past flaming" of communist regions.

Mine's about the same. I had 2 WA nations at the same time, they sent me warning telegrams, but I didn't think they would do anything.

New Bacon

Plugo wrote:Well, i used a wa nation on my pc and a wa nation on my phone once, to help a friend raid.

Also my "past flaming" of communist regions.

That sucks. You were once delegate here right?

New Bacon, Plugo

Exotic Lemon wrote:That sucks. You were once delegate here right?

As a matter of fact [nation=short]plugo[/nation] was delegate before I stepped in.

Plugo, Exotic Lemon

Exotic Lemon wrote:That sucks. You were once delegate here right?

For a couple times yeah, probably 2-3 times.

It mainly sucks though because they are punishing me for past deeds that haven't happened for a while.

I mean they made an excuse to delete my nation nordrlond for stuff that usually gets warnings, doesn't make since to then wa ban me later too.

New Bacon

New Bacon wrote:As a matter of fact [nation=short]plugo[/nation] was delegate before I stepped in.

Well maybe I will step in next, I am campaigning for the delegacy

New Bacon

Exotic Lemon wrote:Well maybe I will step in next, I am campaigning for the delegacy

I'm waiting on that to come. :)

Plugo

New Bacon wrote:As a matter of fact [nation=short]plugo[/nation] was delegate before I stepped in.

Our wa delegate history is a small list lol.

Knights, Me, Bacon, Netherfar and malcholm for a day or two.

Malcholm

Plugo wrote:For a couple times yeah, probably 2-3 times.

It mainly sucks though because they are punishing me for past deeds that haven't happened for a while.

I mean they made an excuse to delete my nation nordrlond for stuff that usually gets warnings, doesn't make since to then wa ban me later too.

You were nordrlond?

New Bacon, Malcholm, Plugo

Exotic Lemon wrote:You were nordrlond?

12-29-15 - 5-11-16

New Bacon

Plugo wrote:12-29-15 - 4-11-16

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