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Region: The Mystical Council
Well elected officials aren't really telling people who to vote for. Elected officials should be able to cast their vote for who they want as president of Sentagon because that's not just New Bacon or AU912 voting it would be everyone in all three branches voting for Sentagon's president. But at the least whoever is running for Sentagon President that is an elected official should be able to vote for themselves and not give up his or her seat just for running.
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Yes to that ^
I understand why LC members shouldn't vote for the sentagon canidate, but canidates in the LC should be able to vote for themselfs.
I have always disliked that the delegate himself is a whole branch, as one person being a branch gives them a lot of powers, but restrictions in other regional things like voting and such. (hell i was delegate for a while)
Parakka Northland
Plugo
I understand why LC members shouldn't vote for the sentagon canidate, but canidates in the LC should be able to vote for themselfs.
I have always disliked that the delegate himself is a whole branch, as one person being a branch gives them a lot of powers, but restrictions in other regional things like voting and such. (hell i was delegate for a while)
The thing is Plugo I am not entirely in charge just like I told Forestavia. You all are in charge and I'm here to serve you all.
Plugo
Forestavia, are you against the proposal of the delegate or lunar council members running for offices in sentagon without first resigning their position?
To be perfectly clear, I believe that they can run and if elected by Sentagon they can resign their current office and serve an office in Sentagon. I'm cool with that.
What I'm not cool with is this idea that any Lunar Councillor or Delegate can vote in any internal Sentagon proceeding. Yes, even if it is just to vote for themselves. Because once you allow one exception it won't be long before the entire central government gets their fingers inside of Sentagon. I know this is the slippery slope argument but still we must remain ever vigilant.
To protect against this, I proposed a solution - a mandatory resignation for Delegates and Councillors desiring to run so that only a member of Sentagon could run for an office in Sentagon. If you're not a member of Sentagon, then you have no business running for office there.
But again, I don't like this solution either because it is too strict and it discourages our regional leaders from switching between branches.
That brings me back to square one. The argument is that one should be able to vote for themselves. While this is generally true, it is not true in the case where a Lunar Councillor runs for an office in Sentagon. They are not part of Sentagon and therefore, do not have a say in Sentagon's election process. The Sentagon Presidential election should be open for members of Sentagon only. Otherwise the President of Sentagon becomes something else entirely...... but maybe that's the direction where we are going. Perhaps we are seeing Sentagon evolve in unexpected ways - I don't know.
*shrugs*
But at any rate we should be very very careful about allowing the other branches to influence Sentagon internally. The "autonomous branch" experiment could easily fail if we are not careful.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] should move to the executive branch since he has executive powers.
Oh no. We're not going that far off the rails. I will stop you right there. We would have to rewrite the constitution from scratch if we did that. That means another year and a half worth of waiting for a constitution to be adopted. No.
*grabs bottle of beer*
New Bacon
What I'm not cool with is this idea that any Lunar Councillor or Delegate can vote in any internal Sentagon proceeding. Yes, even if it is just to vote for themselves. Because once you allow one exception it won't be long before the entire central government gets their fingers inside of Sentagon. I know this is the slippery slope argument but still we must remain ever vigilant.
To protect against this, I proposed a solution - a mandatory resignation for Delegates and Councillors desiring to run so that only a member of Sentagon could run for an office in Sentagon. If you're not a member of Sentagon, then you have no business running for office there.
But again, I don't like this solution either because it is too strict and it discourages our regional leaders from switching between branches.
That brings me back to square one. The argument is that one should be able to vote for themselves. While this is generally true, it is not true in the case where a Lunar Councillor runs for an office in Sentagon. They are not part of Sentagon and therefore, do not have a say in Sentagon's election process. The Sentagon Presidential election should be open for members of Sentagon only. Otherwise the President of Sentagon becomes something else entirely...... but maybe that's the direction where we are going. Perhaps we are seeing Sentagon evolve in unexpected ways - I don't know.
*shrugs*
But at any rate we should be very very careful about allowing the other branches to influence Sentagon internally. The "autonomous branch" experiment could easily fail if we are not careful.
Forestavia I understand the political autonomy. I have it in New Bacon. Zoo Park and Vaspassia are basically roleplaying the provincial governments while I Roleplay the main government. You just never hear about the Roleplay. Autonomy is good but people should be able to vote for themselves.
Plugo
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] you'd make a good executive official. Consider it. ;) hehe.
*Smokes cigarette*
Forestavia
*Dramatically points around the room*
Vaspassia, don't you see what Bacon and the Councillors are conspiring to do??? They are trying creep their tentacles into our branch. Don't fall for it!
[I]Otherwise everything will fall apart![/I]
*Dramatically seizes on floor*
*Regains composure*
Alright, then. I need someone to keep track of all of the proposed ideas for changing or altering the constitution. If someone could make a dispatch and list the ideas. I haven't read through all of the RMB only parts it's likely I missed something. Anyone can volunteer for this clerical job. How about one of you members of Sentagon, eh?
The councilors are not trying to "conspire". If you think I am trying to cheat you, dismiss me. I saw a problem and I am considering ideas to fix it. There will be disagreements, as nothing is a perfect solution. I will draft up ideas later, and we can vote on every ones different proposals.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
The Childish New Bacon crowd says,
"Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!!!!!!"
I agree that candidates should be able to vote for themselves. But the branches should also remain distinct. What do we do about this?
How about "Only members of Sentagon will be eligible to run for offices contained within the branch of Sentagon."
Yeah, you're basically still forced to resign from the Lunar Council and join Sentagon before running for office if you want to switch branches.
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Alright, let's say we open up the Sentagon elections to all residents. The problem with that is the vote tally. You see? There's no way to tally a Lunar Councillor's vote if they vote for themselves because they are not in Sentagon. Does their vote count once or does it count twice? If we make everyone's vote equal, we would basically have to tell every WA member of Sentagon that their voices are cut in half or more when it comes to elections within their own branch.
I don't see a way around this without other repercussions. It's going to be tricky. The fairest way to do it in my opinion is you're either in Sentagon or you're not. If you're not, then you're not running for any Sentagon office. If you are, then you can run.
Don't take that post personal. I was just.....spouting off a little.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon
*grabs bottle of beer*
How about "Only members of Sentagon will be eligible to run for offices contained within the branch of Sentagon."
Yeah, you're basically still forced to resign from the Lunar Council and join Sentagon before running for office if you want to switch branches.
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Alright, let's say we open up the Sentagon elections to all residents. The problem with that is the vote tally. You see? There's no way to tally a Lunar Councillor's vote if they vote for themselves because they are not in Sentagon. Does their vote count once or does it count twice? If we make everyone's vote equal, we would basically have to tell every WA member of Sentagon that their voices are cut in half or more when it comes to elections within their own branch.
I don't see a way around this without other repercussions. It's going to be tricky. The fairest way to do it in my opinion is you're either in Sentagon or you're not. If you're not, then you're not running for any Sentagon office. If you are, then you can run.
How about councillors or the delegate who are running for sentagon have their powers suspended while the election lasts (2-3 days) so they can vote for themselfs.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
OR, they are suspended until the election is over, and should they lose, a poll will be put in place to see if they should get reelected. The poll would not be a formal one, no other candidates, just,
Should [nation name] be allowed to return as lunar councilor?
Yes
No
Abstain
No other candidates, just based on how well they did previously.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
*Kisses you*
That's genius! Now that's a compromise I can get behind. So basically a "temporary Sentagon membership" issued for candidates from other branches during Sentagon elections?
I really like that. That's good. Well, I have nothing to say now.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Should [nation name] be allowed to return as lunar councilor?
Yes
No
Abstain
No other candidates, just based on how well they did previously.
No, they do not need to be re elected because they never lost their position, all powers but say communication would be revoked for the poll duration.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
Should [nation name] be allowed to return as lunar councilor?
Yes
No
Abstain
No other candidates, just based on how well they did previously.
I don't think they should be placed in the hot seat just for trying to get elected in Sentagon.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Guys like my new flag? I probably wont keep it as I have grown fond of Norway. Unless you guys want me to keep it.
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
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*starts making a proposal flag for exotic lemon*
What I'm not cool with is this idea that any Lunar Councillor or Delegate can vote in any internal Sentagon proceeding. Yes, even if it is just to vote for themselves. Because once you allow one exception it won't be long before the entire central government gets their fingers inside of Sentagon. I know this is the slippery slope argument but still we must remain ever vigilant.
To protect against this, I proposed a solution - a mandatory resignation for Delegates and Councillors desiring to run so that only a member of Sentagon could run for an office in Sentagon. If you're not a member of Sentagon, then you have no business running for office there.
But again, I don't like this solution either because it is too strict and it discourages our regional leaders from switching between branches.
That brings me back to square one. The argument is that one should be able to vote for themselves. While this is generally true, it is not true in the case where a Lunar Councillor runs for an office in Sentagon. They are not part of Sentagon and therefore, do not have a say in Sentagon's election process. The Sentagon Presidential election should be open for members of Sentagon only. Otherwise the President of Sentagon becomes something else entirely...... but maybe that's the direction where we are going. Perhaps we are seeing Sentagon evolve in unexpected ways - I don't know.
*shrugs*
But at any rate we should be very very careful about allowing the other branches to influence Sentagon internally. The "autonomous branch" experiment could easily fail if we are not careful.
Not read all the comments but how about this for a solution:-
"If the delegate or a Lunar Council member wishes to run for a Sentagon position or visa versa, they will temporarily be suspended from their current positions and granted membership of that branch for the duration of the vote. If they are elected then they automatically resign from their old positions. If not then the temporary ban and membership are withdrawn and they return to their old duties"
To me this seems a pretty good solution, and does technically mean no other branch can interfere in an anouther branches proceedings, what does everyone think?
"If the delegate or a Lunar Council member wishes to run for a Sentagon position or visa versa, they will temporarily be suspended from their current positions and granted membership of that branch for the duration of the vote. If they are elected then they automatically resign from their old positions. If not then the temporary ban and membership are withdrawn and they return to their old duties"
To me this seems a pretty good solution, and does technically mean no other branch can interfere in an anouther branches proceedings, what does everyone think?
Temporary power suspension. That's actually a good compromise.
Would the suspension begin when the person announces their desire to run, or when the actual voting polls are setup?
Plugo
Would the suspension begin when the person announces their desire to run, or when the actual voting polls are setup?
Open to debate on that one. Depends on the time difference between when the election is announced that it will be comming and when it actually starts I suspose if that makes sense?
I'd like to inform everyone that [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]'s puppet [nation=Short]Pynru-Esirus[/nation] ceased to exist last night in Star Wars Battlefront. The soldiers solute the former emperor.
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
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[nation=short]Monotheistic Deities[/nation] also ceased to exist. Military salutes them.
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Illfated, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Announcement:
If you are a nation who is into role play, check out Solar Alliance! Parakka is the founder over there. I was checking out their RMB and they've got space on their map and military RP's. Parakka can tell you more about it if you have questions.
Parakka Northland
Is there any elections that will happen next?
The election already took place several days ago. But there is a Lunar Council seat up for grabs next month if you'd like to run for that.
So far the candidates are:
Mugwop (Chef)
Teurs
and I think.... Kazukame
Yep. There is a Lunar Council election next month. Would you like to run for it?
Kazukame, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
So far the candidates are:
Mugwop (Chef)
Teurs
and I think.... Kazukame
Yep. There is a Lunar Council election next month. Would you like to run for it?
My seat is up after chef's, right? And also, how do you become the president of the LC?
Please vote in the poll
I support the creation of a new military into The Battle Guard. I encourage you all to vote yes. We have a structure, plans, targets, experience and a history of success with both regions.
Illfated, Parakka Northland
I support the creation of a new military into The Battle Guard. I encourage you all to vote yes. We have a structure, plans, targets, experience and a history of success with both regions.
I would like to see a plan as to how the Battle Guard command structure would work in relation to TMC government structure before I vote either yes or no.
I'm aware you both might have said previously but reiterating it, to consider with the vote might be useful for people.
Exotic Lemon
I'm aware you both might have said previously but reiterating it, to consider with the vote might be useful for people.
I've abstained because I'm involved in this so I'll let Sentagon and LC pass it.
Parakka Northland
I'm aware you both might have said previously but reiterating it, to consider with the vote might be useful for people.
You'll have to ask lemon because I don't know all the plans
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I'm aware you both might have said previously but reiterating it, to consider with the vote might be useful for people.
command structure:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=655619
basic structure
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=659975
Any more questions? I have an archive and division factbook as well.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=655619
basic structure
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=659975
Any more questions? I have an archive and division factbook as well.
Sorry I might be missing something during reading but neither factbook say how the Battle Guard structure will work with or alongside TMC structure?
For example is the battle guard going to be subservient to TMC or operate on a semi independent basis?
Also thinking on it is the battle guard going to be the sole military of TMC or will it have the scope to be the military of a number of regions like ORCA?
(Promise I'm not trying to make your life harder here)
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
For example is the battle guard going to be subservient to TMC or operate on a semi independent basis?
Also thinking on it is the battle guard going to be the sole military of TMC or will it have the scope to be the military of a number of regions like ORCA?
(Promise I'm not trying to make your life harder here)
1. I believe it would act pretty much the same as it was, mostly independent, but if you want you can send a government representative to watch over us. However, due to the fact [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], and [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] are all members of the government I don't know if that is necessary. [nation=short]plugo[/nation] and [nation=short]Moltavo[/nation] are also members, so most of the government is already in.
2. Solely TMC, but if our allies need us we will donate at least some troops.
Forestavia, Illfated, Plugo, Parakka Northland
2. Solely TMC, but if our allies need us we will donate at least some troops.
Thank you for answering my questions
Illfated, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Hello everyone!
New Bacon, Illfated, Gyuris, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]Moltavo[/nation], since you're the Acting ORCA Rep I wanted to make you aware of an important poll taking place in Orca Hq. If you feel that a regional poll here in The Mystical Council is necessary to help you make an informed decision you may ask someone with polls authority.
It appears that the Deputy Prime Minister has already resigned, though.
Parakka Northland
Breaking News!
Unfortunately, shortly after the Poll to Impeach the Deputy Prime Minister, [nation=short]south-east_antarctica[/nation], SEA resigned before the poll could even hope to end. This poll will be closed down soon.
In other news, ORCA is officially closing down embassies with inactive regions. This is due to one of ORCA's members, Heroes Rise, being raided by none other than the Black Hawks. HR was inactive, however, a stable member of ORCA. Since several other member regions are inactive, their embassies have been closed down to halt the possibility of another HR coincident.
The 2016 ORCA Summit is arriving soon, and it is in the best interest of every ORCA member, rep or not, to participate in the summit itself. There will be discussions on what ORCA's next move should be, and how current situations should be dealt with. Nations may post ideas, and even opinions, that could be discussed at a certain time of the summit.
Thank you for your time,
~[nation=short]Slattsenw[/nation]
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Unfortunately, shortly after the Poll to Impeach the Deputy Prime Minister, [nation=short]south-east_antarctica[/nation], SEA resigned before the poll could even hope to end. This poll will be closed down soon.
In other news, ORCA is officially closing down embassies with inactive regions. This is due to one of ORCA's members, Heroes Rise, being raided by none other than the Black Hawks. HR was inactive, however, a stable member of ORCA. Since several other member regions are inactive, their embassies have been closed down to halt the possibility of another HR coincident.
The 2016 ORCA Summit is arriving soon, and it is in the best interest of every ORCA member, rep or not, to participate in the summit itself. There will be discussions on what ORCA's next move should be, and how current situations should be dealt with. Nations may post ideas, and even opinions, that could be discussed at a certain time of the summit.
Thank you for your time,
~[nation=short]Slattsenw[/nation]
Who will be replacing SEA?
Roleplay
Bacon Central News
After a shocking battle of running for the presidential office of New Bacon, President Taharqa has been replaced with Tycho Clímaco a Hispanic Baconian. The New Bacon citizens have elected a New President. President Taharqa will announce his closing remarks as Tycho Clímaco takes office.
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
Breaking News!
[nation=short]Kronomia[/nation] has been officially appointed as Deputy Prime Minister of ORCA by the Prime Minister, [nation=short]slattsenw[/nation]. This is only after SEA left the position vacant.
United We Stand.
Forestavia, New Bacon
I am running to be a lunar council member. I hope I will get your support. I feel that the lunar councillor should be there to work for all nations of the region. I will work to become the lunar councillor for all of you. We have many important issues facing us today that will determine the future of our region. So we need new ideas from nations that will be new in our lunar council. so vote for me in the upcoming elections.
New Bacon, Barishmacht, Plugo, Parakka Northland
What is in your personal opinion, the most important issues to tackle right now, and how would you tackle them
Who's changing the
"Welcome to The Mystical Council, a region that upholds the principles of freedom, liberty & democracy!" into difficult to read colors? Pick the colors you like, that is fine, but pick hues that are not eye straining. Skyblue? Come on guys. Changing it to #0000FF
New Bacon, Malcholm
"Welcome to The Mystical Council, a region that upholds the principles of freedom, liberty & democracy!" into difficult to read colors? Pick the colors you like, that is fine, but pick hues that are not eye straining. Skyblue? Come on guys. Changing it to #0000FF
I changed it. But if you can't read it that's fine.
I believe this should be the new song of the week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3-czNbCqbM
New Bacon, Malcholm
[nation=short]Gyuris[/nation] please bare with me I got caught up in busy life work. I will update the map. I have not forgot about you.
I feel sentagon is a burning issue. We need to walk a fine line between a breakaway and autonomy regarding the sentagon. I will work through consultation with everyone who has a stake in the issue. The real challenge will be to deal with challenges that are unknown and unseen as of now. So we should try to make this election about the future. My job if elected will be to help my fellow councillors to chart a path that will lead us to a brighter future.
Pastia
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[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation], how are you liking Agora?
Exotic Lemon
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Thats vague.
But what would I know? Ive been up since 10 in the morning yesterday. Its noon right now..
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Come to conglomeracy
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RMB posting is not appreciated in this region unless it is tagged recruiter-friendly thank you [nation=short]enchanciana[/nation]
Hey [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] give me border control in Sentagon and everyone who holds an officer position there.
(The parliament will be set up soon so sentagon member's will not hold an officer position unless they run)
New Bacon
I will be creating a poll after exotic lemon's runs out.
New Bacon, Barishmacht, Exotic Lemon
So far the candidates are:
Mugwop (Chef)
Teurs
and I think.... Kazukame
Yep. There is a Lunar Council election next month. Would you like to run for it?
I won't run. I would like to know if the sentagon nations will have to register to vote or they will vote by virtue of their residence in the region
RIP MALCHOLM.
You will be missed, you were a valued member of the council and an excellent military helper.
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I will have to be a mystical council resident? I can't vote staying in the sentagon? Please clarify this and give necessary eligibilities to vote in the sentagon region
you can vote staying in sentagon, but we will be hosting a poll for sentagon elections soon, and the plan is to host the poll here, so when i put up the poll about elections if you want to run move here for a second just to vote.
[nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], what is the interim secretary you appointed [nation=short]Dosh Semiw[/nation] to? Is it a replacement for Malcholm?
Yes. I can appoint a secretary delegate at my discretion.
Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Plugo
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