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Plugo wrote:(not inducing his puppet)

Yes - 2

No - 6

Abstain - 2

Don't forget about WA status, now! You get two votes, I get two votes, and Bacon gets two votes. The rules in Sentagon are a little different.

Plugo

Higun Air Squadron 1 wrote:A member of the fleet has not held the delegacy here for a long while.

I think its time again.

0_0

Oh, my..... I didn't think this could get anymore complicated!

Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers

Forestavia wrote:Don't forget about WA status, now! You get two votes, I get two votes, and Bacon gets two votes. The rules in Sentagon are a little different.

So

Yes - 4

No - 8

Abstain - 4

Plugo wrote:So

Yes - 4

No - 8

Abstain - 4

Selven does not have WA. So Yes would be 3, the Abstain would be 3 for similar reasons, and I have 7 for No. Who are you including under No?

Plugo

Forestavia wrote:Selven does not have WA. So Yes would be 3, the Abstain would be 3 for similar reasons, and I have 7 for No. Who are you including under No?

I dont remeber polling being this complicated before :p

Yes - 3

No - 9

Abstain - 3

My bad oak

Order Of Hospitallers

Plugo wrote:I dont remeber polling being this complicated before :p

Yeah, it's still pretty messy. I was waiting for a poll like this one to see how our Sentagon system worked. I think I like it. It's a little messy, though.

Malcholm

In version two, I think what I might do is require Sentagon to vote on legislation in the Yes, No, Abstain format and whatever category gets the most votes will win. The simple majority requirement is really complicated.

Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:In version two, I think what I might do is require Sentagon to vote on legislation in the Yes, No, Abstain format and whatever category gets the most votes will win. The simple majority requirement is really complicated.

I could get behind that.

Plugo

Order Of Lazarus wrote:My bad oak

It's cool Hospitallers. Actually, I like having someone here that pushes the envelope a little. It's healthy for the region. Plus it helps me to improve the constitution here and there. I just added a clause about separation of powers in version two.

By the way, what does everyone think of Version 2 of the constitution. We're going to be voting on it next month. I changed the process for settling ties in Lunar Council elections. And we're going to switch to one Lunar Council position per lunar cycle instead of two. I think that might work better. Please vote in the poll if you haven't done so: Sentagon

New Bacon, Malcholm, Plugo

BREAKING

New Bacon President still abstains from voting. Sentagon still is having trouble reaching majority. Malcholm 's veto may stand.

Plugo

New Bacon wrote:BREAKING

New Bacon President still abstains from voting. Sentagon still is having trouble reaching majority. Malcholm 's veto may stand.

Well we still have 18 hiurs left in the poll so :p

Exciting changes for Sentagon on the horizon.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=632387

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Oakplumington wrote:Exciting changes for Sentagon on the horizon.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=632387

I like it!

Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Just to clear things up:

1. Only two people from the nco are even here, plugo and virgin.

2. Their vote in the poll does not represent the NCO in any way, shape or form.

3. They have a right to switch regions and vote as they see fit as independant nations.

4. NCO is not involved in this at all, and we do not know why you continue to mention our name / blame us in your conflicts.

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Upplasia wrote:Just to clear things up:

1. Only two people from the nco are even here, plugo and virgin.

2. Their vote in the poll does not represent the NCO in any way, shape or form.

3. They have a right to switch regions and vote as they see fit as independant nations.

4. NCO is not involved in this at all, and we do not know why you continue to mention our name / blame us in your conflicts.

Yeah, I agree with this. I would also like to state that this poll about the Bunicken embassy was initiated by our government completely independent of events occurring in NCO. As far as the pact, that is something that remains between NCO and Bunicken. The pact is not the business of The Mystical Council. The Pact and the Bunicken Embassy Poll are two completely separate things.

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

at least these events have sparked life in the council again

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

i cant remember seeing the rmb this active since the last anarchy situation.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Very true, Plugo. :)

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Embassy Update -

Yes: Forestavia (2), Selven (1), Malcholm (D), and AU912 Mystical Council Consulate (LC).

No: Rrepaimziaraseh (LC), Vaspassia (1), Frankiestine (1), VirginIslands (2), Tumetu-iin Noyan (LC), Order of Hospitallers (LC), Plugo (2), Rondaland (1), Kill All Nazis (1), and Higun Air Squadron 1 (1).

Abstain: New Bacon (2) and Parakka Northland (1).

Total Sentagon Votes: 15

Yes: 3/15

No: 9/15 (If "no" maintains simple majority then Bunicken’s embassy will be demolished)

Abstain: 3/15

Plugo

This update has been a long time coming. Well some of it's late but here it is:

The Thirtieth Delegate of The Mystical Council

30. Vedan: March 2016 - April 2016, 10 days

The Thirty-First Delegate of The Mystical Council

31. Nordrlond: April 2016 - April 2016, 8 days

The Thirty-Second Delegate of The Mystical Council

32. Netherfar: May 2016 - May 2016, 1 day

The Thirty-Third Delegate of The Mystical Council

33. Malcholm: May 2016 - 5/15/2016, 12 days

The Thirty-Fourth Delegate of The Mystical Council

34. New Bacon: 5/15/2016 - 5/15/2016, 12 hours

The Third President of Sentagon

3. Malcholm: 5/15/2016 - 5/15/2016, 12 hours

The Thirty-Fifth Delegate of The Mystical Council

35. Malcholm: 5/15/2016 - Present

The Fourth President of Sentagon

4. New Bacon: 5/15/2016 - Present

Malcholm, Plugo

Roleplay: A local news program in Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

"Earlier today, our very own Tomomi Sebastian had this remarkably candid interview with President Keith Beldan, whose approval rating has fallen to record lows in recent months."

[spoiler=interview]Q: "With all due respect, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate's position on the Bunicken issue is rapidly becoming a scandal. First you supported allying with Bunicken, then you voted to break the alliance, and then you voted to retain the embassies between Bunicken and The Mystical Council. To be honest, I don't understand how this isn't, as one of your critics put it, 'indistinguishable from madness'. How can you possibly explain your actions?!?"

A: "Let me answer that in pieces. First, why did I support working with Bunicken earlier? Like many regions, The Mystical Council has found itself placed into a conflict not of their choosing. I have supported an alliance against international socialism because, in my humble opinion, as it currently stands, radical international socialism is the chief threat to the freedom of pro-liberty regions in the world today. I believed we should choose national socialism over international socialism as the lesser of evils. Initially, it was as simple as that.

However, it became clear that there were problems. I don't think it was anything that Bunicken did so much as the fact that ideologically Bunicken and The Mystical Council had so little in common that, while there was plenty of support for the continued alliance in Bunicken, the support in The Mystical Council had become almost nonexistant. Therefore, I decided to support withdrawl from a formal alliance but retain a dialog, which is why I voted for withdraw from the alliance but against withdrawing the embassy."

Q: "It's been suggested that you might act to save the embassy against the people's wishes. Will you?"

A: "I have always believed that there is a time for leadership and a time to listen to the people. I think now is a time to listen. I think it's becoming clear that the grass roots of The Mystical Council support breaking all ties with Bunicken by a fairly broad margin, despite opposition from leadership. The vote so far is 60% to 20%, with 20% abstaining, in both the Sentagon and the Lunar Council. I suspect this is not really about what Bunicken has done, but rather what Bunicken represents in terms of The Mystical Council's regional identity. I believe the people of The Mystical Council have decided who they are. They don't need leadership to tell them."

Q: "What do you have to say to those critics who believe we are leaving ourselves open to attack from both communists and fascists?"

A: "First of all, AU912 itself is not in danger. The Mystical Council is, but they have chosen this path, and we must respect it."

Q: "What do you have to say to those critics who might say, to quote a protester at yesterday's march, deleting the expletives, 'Our President is a Hitler loving neo-nazi'?"

A: "I support only one cause: liberty. If nazis were the main group invading pro-liberty regions, I would support working with the communists against them."[/spoiler]

Forestavia, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo

Oakplumington wrote:This update has been a long time coming. Well some of it's late but here it is:

The Thirtieth Delegate of The Mystical Council

30. Vedan: March 2016 - April 2016, 10 days

The Thirty-First Delegate of The Mystical Council

31. Nordrlond: April 2016 - April 2016, 8 days

The Thirty-Second Delegate of The Mystical Council

32. Netherfar: May 2016 - May 2016, 1 day

The Thirty-Third Delegate of The Mystical Council

33. Malcholm: May 2016 - 5/15/2016, 12 days

The Thirty-Fourth Delegate of The Mystical Council

34. New Bacon: 5/15/2016 - 5/15/2016, 12 hours

The Third President of Sentagon

3. Malcholm: 5/15/2016 - 5/15/2016, 12 hours

The Thirty-Fifth Delegate of The Mystical Council

35. Malcholm: 5/15/2016 - Present

The Fourth President of Sentagon

4. New Bacon: 5/15/2016 - Present

You may need to update that again tommorow

Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:Roleplay: A local news program in Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

"Earlier today, our very own Tomomi Sebastian had this remarkably candid interview with President Keith Beldan, whose approval rating has fallen to record lows in recent months."

[spoiler=interview]Q: "With all due respect, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate's position on the Bunicken issue is rapidly becoming a scandal. First you supported allying with Bunicken, then you voted to break the alliance, and then you voted to retain the embassies between Bunicken and The Mystical Council. To be honest, I don't understand how this isn't, as one of your critics put it, 'indistinguishable from madness'. How can you possibly explain your actions?!?"

A: "Let me answer that in pieces. First, why did I support working with Bunicken earlier? Like many regions, The Mystical Council has found itself placed into a conflict not of their choosing. I have supported an alliance against international socialism because, in my humble opinion, as it currently stands, radical international socialism is the chief threat to the freedom of pro-liberty regions in the world today. I believed we should choose national socialism over international socialism as the lesser of evils. Initially, it was as simple as that.

However, it became clear that there were problems. I don't think it was anything that Bunicken did so much as the fact that ideologically Bunicken and The Mystical Council had so little in common that, while there was plenty of support for the continued alliance in Bunicken, the support in The Mystical Council had become almost nonexistant. Therefore, I decided to support withdrawl from a formal alliance but retain a dialog, which is why I voted for withdraw from the alliance but against withdrawing the embassy."

Q: "It's been suggested that you might act to save the embassy against the people's wishes. Will you?"

A: "I have always believed that there is a time for leadership and a time to listen to the people. I think now is a time to listen. I think it's becoming clear that the grass roots of The Mystical Council support breaking all ties with Bunicken by a fairly broad margin, despite opposition from leadership. The vote so far is 60% to 20%, with 20% abstaining, in both the Sentagon and the Lunar Council. I suspect this is not really about what Bunicken has done, but rather what Bunicken represents in terms of The Mystical Council's regional identity. I believe the people of The Mystical Council have decided who they are. They don't need leadership to tell them."

Q: "What do you have to say to those critics who believe we are leaving ourselves open to attack from both communists and fascists?"

A: "First of all, AU912 itself is not in danger. The Mystical Council is, but they have chosen this path, and we must respect it."

Q: "What do you have to say to those critics who might say, to quote a protester at yesterday's march, deleting the expletives, 'Our President is a Hitler loving neo-nazi'?"

A: "I support only one cause: liberty. If nazis were the main group invading pro-liberty regions, I would support working with the communists against them."[/spoiler]

How long have you been in office?

You have been a council members since the day this nation was founded lol.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Nice RP, AU912!

RP:

Headlines in Forestavia read "Region's Founder, Delegate, and Lunar Council President defeated by Lunar Council and Sentagon!"

"Mystical Council History in the making!"

"Power to the People"

"Sentagon supports Lunar Council majority!"

"Plugo get's ready to become 36th Delegate"

"Socialists declare Embassy Closure Victory for cause."

"Liberals declare embassy demolition victory for Libertarian thought."

"Pro-Bunicken Forestavians upset...Fears of Capitalist Division."

They-Said-It Quote of the Week:

"This isn't about Bunicken or their embassy so much as it is about the people of our region rising up. This is a political revolution! We have shown in one vote the power of the masses - across many countries - to rise up against the status quo." - Forestavia's Socialist Party Leader

Malcholm, Plugo

Post self-deleted by Oakplumington.

RP:

Liberals and Independents in Forestavia support Keith Belden's quest for liberty and have been seen wearing t-shirts that say "Liberty is not a Scandal".

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Order Of Lazarus

Forestavia wrote:Nice RP, AU912!

RP:

Headlines in Forestavia read "Region's Founder, Delegate, and Lunar Council President defeated by Lunar Council and Sentagon!"

"Mystical Council History in the making!"

"Power to the People"

"Sentagon supports Lunar Council majority!"

"Plugo get's ready to become 36th Delegate"

"Socialists declare Embassy Closure Victory for cause."

"Liberals declare embassy demolition victory for Libertarian thought."

"Pro-Bunicken Forestavians upset...Fears of Capitalist Division."

They-Said-It Quote of the Week:

"This isn't about Bunicken or their embassy so much as it is about the people of our region rising up. This is a political revolution! We have shown in one vote the power of the masses - across many countries - to rise up against the status quo." - Forestavia's Socialist Party Leader

Fears of capitalist division? lol wut

Plugo wrote:Fears of capitalist division? lol wut

Yeah, that's more of a reference to the political climate in Forestavia during a highly charged election year. Nationalists have been dubbed "Crony Capitalists", Liberals, "Free-market Capitalists", and Independents, "Mixed or Practical Capitalists".

Regionally, it could also be a reference to a potential lack of unity among pro-capitalist regions like ANTICOM, The Mystical Council, Bunicken, and NCO.

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Order Of Lazarus

Forestavia wrote:Yeah, that's more of a reference to the political climate in Forestavia during a highly charged election year. Nationalists have been dubbed "Crony Capitalists", Liberals, "Free-market Capitalists", and Independents, "Mixed or Practical Capitalists".

Regionally, it could also be a reference to a potential lack of unity among pro-capitalist regions like ANTICOM, The Mystical Council, Bunicken, and NCO.

We could possibly all have the same ideology, as it would let us be able to have the same type of government

Plugo, Order Of Lazarus

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:We could possibly all have the same ideology, as it would let us be able to have the same type of government

Forestavia wrote:Yeah, that's more of a reference to the political climate in Forestavia during a highly charged election year. Nationalists have been dubbed "Crony Capitalists", Liberals, "Free-market Capitalists", and Independents, "Mixed or Practical Capitalists".

Regionally, it could also be a reference to a potential lack of unity among pro-capitalist regions like ANTICOM, The Mystical Council, Bunicken, and NCO.

I roleplay a diehard capitalist nation, in real life though, i am a Democratic Confederalist, which is basically a mix of socialism and libertarianism.

Malcholm, Order Of Lazarus

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:We could possibly all have the same ideology, as it would let us be able to have the same type of government

That would be a hard sell in this region.

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Forestavia wrote:That would be a hard sell in this region.

Well, we could always modify it a tab it to suit every regions different needs

Forestavia

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:Well, we could always modify it a tab it to suit every regions different needs

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking - if we pursue it. I'm going to switch back to oak and link your dispatch to the info center. I'm going to call it the Bunicken Monarchist Party.

Forestavia wrote:Yeah, that's what I'm thinking - if we pursue it. I'm going to switch back to oak and link your dispatch to the info center. I'm going to call it the Bunicken Monarchist Party.

Okay

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:Okay

Alright it's done. Check it out: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=497421

Forestavia wrote:Alright it's done. Check it out: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=497421

Looks nice

This is the foundation of the party that Cuba and I are working on. This is basically going to be Bunickenism with a Mystical Council flavor. Cuba is putting some quality work into this political party. We're calling the political party the Royalist Party of the Mystical Council for now.

This is Cuba's essay:

"Every community deserves sovereignty. By virtue of its very existence, a community, no matter how small, is imbued with the right to continue that existence without interference from outside agents.

This seems like a statement most people would agree with, but when applied to NationStates it is decried by some, and compromised by many. Usually, the compromise sounds something like this, though often couched in many more words:

“It is my community’s right to violate other communities’ sovereignty!”

This is to be a manifesto describing a philosophy called Sovereigntism. Now is the best time for Royal Sovereigntists to publish their views and beliefs - as now is the time that the sovereignty of communities is most threatened by external forces seeking to promote their own designs at the expense of native communities.

Before we begin our discussion of how to safeguard a community’s sovereignty, we must address what sovereignty is and who deserves it.

Regions are established by a community for that community. Speaking in terms of “regions” instead of “communities” is an easy way to sooth any cognitive dissonance that may arise from disrupting one. A “region” is a simple gameplay mechanic - no more deserving of independence than a tree.

But just as a tree houses an entire ecosystem, a region houses a community. A region is founded by players seeking a home for themselves to do with as they please and they alone are its caretakers. “Tagging regions”, “taking delegacies”, “clearing RMBs”, and “spreading influence” are all convenient, euphemistic ways of saying the same thing: “disrupting communities”.

Though different methods of aggression cause different degrees of harm, any intrusion into a community’s sovereignty - whether it be “tagging regions” to claim them as one’s own, taking delegacies to exert direct control, clearing RMBs to suppress dissent, or participating in governance on behalf of a foreign power to “spread influence” - all result in harm to a region’s native community.

Royal Sovereigntists are dedicated to preserving the independence of any region and its native community from outside aggression. The only time anyone may safely say a region no longer has a community is when that region ceases to exist. Any earlier, and one infringes on the right of a person or people to make their own decisions.

Are there exceptions to this rule? Are all regions home to a community?

Dominions or colonies established by a region are an extension of the sovereignty of their mother, though dominions stolen by force from a pre-existing community, as Imperialists often do, are not legitimate. They may, and should, be liberated from their occupier. Puppet storage regions, likewise, are exempt from the same guarantees given to other regions; they are more like a lifeless filing cabinet than a thriving coral reef. Other regions, such as those dedicated to Nazism or fascism, are mostly dedicated to cause others grief. These regions, based entirely around real-life philosophies dedicated to the oppression of real people, are hardly deserving of the self-determination other communities enjoy.

Since its birth, every conflict in NationStates has had two sides: those trying to build a community, and those trying to corrupt it.

Now that this framework describing sovereignty has been set up, it seems like something most people would agree with. Few people would say that anyone is not deserving of the right to make their own choices, but unfortunately, in NationStates, this view is prevalent. As mentioned above, though, it is often not presented in such blunt terms:

“If a region doesn’t want to be raided, it should just refound itself.”

“Imperialism is simply an extension of my region’s foreign policy - we are above the same old R/D game.”

“It’s my region’s right to play this game however we want, and people who disagree with us are taking themselves too seriously.”

Sovereigntists should recognize these statements, and statements like them, for what they are:

“I think that enforcing my will on other people is fun.”

Earlier we discussed exceptions to the guarantee of sovereignty given to all communities. Here is another:

No region has the sovereign right to violate another region’s own sovereignty.

In this affirmation Royal Sovereigntism sounds a lot like defenderism. This is no accident, though the reality of the situation is more complex; just as Imperialists and raiders often cooperate to subdue founderless regions, Sovereigntists and defenders cooperate to liberate regions from their occupiers.

In the practical reality of its philosophy, though, Royal Sovereigntism encapsulates defenderism and more. Most defender philosophy falls into two camps: the “defending is morally righteous” camp and the “raiding must be opposed” camp. Royal Sovereigntism, on the other hand, takes a “big picture” view: defenses and liberations are extensions of a policy guaranteeing the independence of any community, helping prop a native provisional government, or giving aid to desperate regions, rather than simple feel-goodism. This ethical policy is one that remains true to the origins of the defending groups in the history of NS. These groups were founded as associations of mutual defense, which would reach out to new regions as they were threatened. Much in the same way, Royal Sovereigntism is a policy that is based on mutual defense given the understanding that most regions would like to be protected from invasion. This is a return to the ethos of defenders of the past, one of mutual inter-regional respect.

Sovereigntism, as a rule, postulates the right of every community in every region to make its own choices and decide its own future. Sovereigntists would be allowed to oppose colonialism imperialism in all its forms - whether it be the direct methods of raiders and Imperialists or the less direct methods used by many regions and organizations to exert influence in places they don’t belong.

Generally speaking, every community deserves its independence. The only people that should guide a community are those that call it home. Anyone else is simply infringing upon their sovereignty.

Anyone that endorses this position is a Royal Sovereigntist at heart."

Malcholm

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:How long have you been in office?

You have been a council members since the day this nation was founded lol.

Probably since November or December, if I were to guess.

Order Of Lazarus

I might have the exact date somewhere hidden in the dispatches.

Order Of Lazarus

Yep, 912's been on the council since December sometime.

Order Of Lazarus

Forestavia wrote:Yeah, that's what I'm thinking - if we pursue it. I'm going to switch back to oak and link your dispatch to the info center. I'm going to call it the Bunicken Monarchist Party.

Forestavia wrote:Alright it's done. Check it out: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=497421

i was thinking we shouls bring partyd back in the region.

Ill make a refreshed list in a little bit.

Malcholm

Time to clean up here.

New Bacon

It looks like we've reached a majority in Sentagon and Lunar Council. Bunicken's embassy is closing it looks like

Post self-deleted by New Bacon.

Plugo our delegate approves so...

My time here is finished.

Interesting....NCO collaborator as delegate.

Let it be known that ALL ties between Mystical Council and the Reich are now terminated.

New Bacon, Malcholm

IC: [spoiler=Jade's Arrival to the Forestavian Senate]

Forestavia wrote:RP:

News Ticker: Senators have been alerted via email and text message to prepare for an important guest speaker.

Troublesolver sighed. "Yes, so many regions are struggling these days." He glanced briefly through the contents and handed them to Sharp. And what sort of support is the Pyroskian government seeking precisely from these five nations. And if all five nations come from The Mystical Council, would this pave the way for something bigger. Perhaps an agreement between regions?"

[Jade: "My...well, that wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility. They've made it explicitly clear that they would likely need the support of five nations here; one being the delegate, three being councillors, and a fifth for good measure."]

Ross Paul spoke up. "Don't be fooled, Jade! This old politician who calls himself a 'Bishop' is only trying to turn your region into a colony - a mere colony to be used for The Mystical Council's purposes and ends! -"

"You're both jumping to conclusions. Let the woman speak! She wouldn't be here if she didn't trust our government. She's looking for help. She didn't say anything about turning TGHI into a colony." Sharp glanced back at the content of the envelope. "I, for one, believe that as long as there is Pyrosky, The Greater Holy Isles will exist. What solutions would you want our Senate to consider?"

[Jade, unusually secretive: "I'm afraid I'll have to keep that under wraps until we arrive. I'm sure you understand that I can't be too loose-tongued with sensitive information."]

The limo pulled up to the Senate building. Guards opened up the doors of the vehicle and building. The Senators were presently interrogating a member of the High Council on international election procedures. "....While the High Council was well within its rights to vote for Chef the first time, the Senate should have chosen the second time due to the regional tie. The High Council has no right to cast Forestavia's vote twice in such an election." It was a classic non-issue argument because everyone knew that the Senate would also have cast Forestavia's vote the same way and the regional election wouldn't have turned out any different. The Senators were very pleased when they saw the ambassador walk in eager for a distraction from debating election proceedings. Some were just arriving after having received the text.

[/spoiler]

Jade greeted a few of the senators before taking the podium, allowing for the tensions of the room to settle a bit before she began the event would become the greatest test of her diplomatic capabilities to date. She took the stand, just as she had not a day prior: her brazen stride was accentuated by a confident, heart-felt smile. The podium itself was nothing to gawk at, so she placed her documents neatly on the luminous surface. To her luck, an HDMI port was present. Jade powered on her laptop, plugged it in, and cleared her throat, just as she always did.

"Senators of the Forestavian Government, I thank you ten-fold for allowing me the opportunity to speak before you with such short notice. I'd also like to thank High Councillors Troublesolver and Sharp, and your very own Senator Ross Paul for the warm welcome upon my arrival. I wouldn't have been able to appear before you today had it not been for their generous efforts."

She paused, letting her words briefly sink.

"We see before us a world beset in turmoil, only to find beacons of light and pillars of society in the most distant lands. As some of you may know, my father was a Pyroskian immigrant who arrived here shortly after the inception of the region. Today, we call men and women of his sort "Malcholmian," after the great General, Herald Malcholm; but little do we acknowledge the continued existance of those we call "Pyroskian." Pyroskians, who settled and tamed the lands of the Holy Isles, are an immensely nationalistic morass. They stand by the name of The Greater Holy Isles so fiercely that any hecklers would be lead to believe that they'd just cut off the head of a Hydra. This is the Pyrosky's we know and the Pyrosky you senators have stood by even in their times of tribulation; if we recall the fall of Pyrus, and the assassination of President Aiko. The mutual respect held by our countries runs deep; a near-unshakeable bond that has lead our countrymen to begin adopting aspects of each other's culture. It's incredible, really. That said..I stand before you today because the government of Pyrosky's has forseen a tragic fate for the Greater Holy Isles." An overhead projector flickered on, and the flag of TGHI flashed across the screen before a still image of Pyroskian President James Harlock appeared. "Forestavians, I thank you for your patience."

[1/2, I'll finish the rest later tonight]

Forestavia, Plugo

Selven wrote:Interesting....NCO collaborator as delegate.

Yeah, I was getting around to mentioning that..

Prepare for some riots, Councillors. Don't think this foreign infiltration will go by unnoticed. I honestly think this is just as bad as when The Lunar High Admiral attempted to overthrow the government! We've been invaded and, despite the opinion of the natives, forced to close one of our embassies. We can't let this sort of voting corruption continue! We need a native voting clause that prevents foreigners from influencing our government.

Plugo

Malcholm wrote:Yeah, I was getting around to mentioning that..

Prepare for some riots, Councillors. Don't think this foreign infiltration will go by unnoticed. I honestly think this is just as bad as when The Lunar High Admiral attempted to overthrow the government! We've been invaded and, despite the opinion of the natives, forced to close one of our embassies. We can't let this sort of voting corruption continue! We need a native voting clause that prevents foreigners from influencing our government.

Before I add it to the new constitution, let's try it out for a test drive for this next election. I'll set up the poll for President of Sentagon. We are still experimenting with the constitution and voting methods after all.

Malcholm

Please submit your resignation at this time, region that shall not be named.

RP:

Newpaper Headlines - "Corruption in Voting System!" "Regional Leaders defeated in attempt to save embassy!" "Plugo Rises"

New Bacon

Bunicken wrote:Please submit your resignation at this time, region that shall not be named.

[nation=short]Plugo[/nation], would you like to do this since you're the Delegate now? I think Malcholm might have a draft written somewhere already.

New Bacon

Selven wrote:My time here is finished.

Interesting....NCO collaborator as delegate.

Let it be known that ALL ties between Mystical Council and the Reich are now terminated.

If you read the "white peace" it said all relations were terminated anyway lmao

New Bacon

Forestavia wrote:Before I add it to the new constitution, let's try it out for a test drive for this next election. I'll set up the poll for President of Sentagon. We are still experimenting with the constitution and voting methods after all.

If you are going to do that you mi as well get rid of sentagon then.

Being a "native" means you have more influence here then in any other region.

So if you were the wa delegate bunicken for 2 years you would have a large amount of influence, then say you stay here as a normal nation for a year, you wouldn't be considered a "native".

Forestavia, New Bacon

I do not like these changes.

Plugo

* A big rift in political division between hospitallers and malcholm is starting to occur... *

Forestavia, Malcholm

I have a proposal for the constiution:

Only a WA Nation may hold the position of vice delegate, and that position is an aid appointed my the delegate.

Forestavia, Plugo

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:I have a proposal for the constiution:

Only a WA Nation may hold the position of vice delegate, and that position is an aid appointed my the delegate.

Personally I'm not that interested in that.

But on another note, why do we not have a welcome telegram?

Malcholm, Plugo

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Personally I'm not that interested in that.

But on another note, why do we not have a welcome telegram?

I can make one, what do you think should be included in it?

Well I can make one too for that matter, but I was wondering why we don't have one to begin with. If there's no good reason, we should all discuss writing one.

Forestavia, Malcholm, Plugo

the number of active sentagon members if very small but i already lost :p

Malcholm + Bacon = 4 votes.

Plugo

Rondaland wrote:the number of active sentagon members if very small but i already lost :p

Malcholm + Bacon = 4 votes.

Malchom hasnt voted yet tho

Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:Yeah, I was getting around to mentioning that..

Prepare for some riots, Councillors. Don't think this foreign infiltration will go by unnoticed. I honestly think this is just as bad as when The Lunar High Admiral attempted to overthrow the government! We've been invaded and, despite the opinion of the natives, forced to close one of our embassies. We can't let this sort of voting corruption continue! We need a native voting clause that prevents foreigners from influencing our government.

quorum is necessary

Malcholm

Plugo wrote:If you are going to do that you mi as well get rid of sentagon then.

Being a "native" means you have more influence here then in any other region.

So if you were the wa delegate bunicken for 2 years you would have a large amount of influence, then say you stay here as a normal nation for a year, you wouldn't be considered a "native".

Ah~ I suppose should clarify what I meant. I believe that we should have a naturalization process for incoming nations, so that raiders and other foreign entities don't automatically have a vote in Sentagon. It definetly should not be based on regional influence, but instead by presence. If they're here longer than one week, they get a vote. For people who reside in multiple regions it would make sense to have a puppet here, rather than constantly shifting back and forth between regions with one nation. I feel like that'd solve at least a piece of the gaping hole in Sentagon's accountability.

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:I have a proposal for the constiution:

Only a WA Nation may hold the position of vice delegate, and that position is an aid appointed my the delegate.

We don't really need a "Vice Delegate," and it would set up an unnecessary heiarchy in the pre-established government. [nation=short]tatertotia[/nation] was only nominated to the position because they're a good friend who attempted to help me retain the Delegate's seat.

Rondaland wrote:the number of active sentagon members if very small but i already lost :p

Malcholm + Bacon = 4 votes.

Don't give up hope! Set up a campaign or propose some resolutions, and you may just get elected yet.

Plugo wrote:Malchom hasnt voted yet tho

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Plugo

New Bacon wrote:quorum is necessary

Too true.

New Bacon, Plugo

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:* A big rift in political division between hospitallers and malcholm is starting to occur... *

*Gazes across the chasm.*

"Gee whiz, how long has that been there?"

Forestavia, New Bacon, Plugo

TBH i don't think WA members should get 2 votes.

The WA is a international organization, being in the wa shouldn't give you a bonus in the region.

Malcholm

Plugo wrote:TBH i don't think WA members should get 2 votes.

The WA is a international organization, being in the wa shouldn't give you a bonus in the region.

The theory behind giving WA members in Sentagon two votes, as opposed to one vote for non-members, is that it does three things:

* It provides incentive for more nations to keep their WA status here which keeps the region active.

* It keeps the executive powers of the Delegate in check. An Executive Delegacy is far less likely to abuse their power when that power depends on the endorsements of WA nations. Because of the 2-vote incentive, there will always be WA nations here.

* It also prevents the development of hierarchy where Sentagon is viewed as lower than the other two branches. Instead, the Delegate is forced to work directly with Sentagon, which most of the WA nations are members of.

Is this system fair to non-WA nations?

Yes. This system honors freedom of choice and a nation's self-determination. If ever there is a vote that a non-WA member feels passionately about, they are free to transfer WA status temporarily to their resident nation and cast two votes. They are also free to not join the WA at all. It is fair because each individual has control over how they represent themselves, so long as the separation of the three branches is honored.

Malcholm

Rondaland wrote:the number of active sentagon members if very small but i already lost :p

Malcholm + Bacon = 4 votes.

I'm holding out on my vote to see whose policies I agree with more. :)

What are your goals for Sentagon and for the region?

Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:Ah~ I suppose should clarify what I meant. I believe that we should have a naturalization process for incoming nations, so that raiders and other foreign entities don't automatically have a vote in Sentagon. It definetly should not be based on regional influence, but instead by presence. If they're here longer than one week, they get a vote. For people who reside in multiple regions it would make sense to have a puppet here, rather than constantly shifting back and forth between regions with one nation. I feel like that'd solve at least a piece of the gaping hole in Sentagon's accountability.

I agree. I think the native requirement is a bit too strict. I didn't realize it was based on influence. I thought the game based it on length of time.

How about something like this: Any resident nation in the region for 12 hours can register as a member of Sentagon.

Plugo wrote:If you are going to do that you mi as well get rid of sentagon then.

Being a "native" means you have more influence here then in any other region.

So if you were the wa delegate bunicken for 2 years you would have a large amount of influence, then say you stay here as a normal nation for a year, you wouldn't be considered a "native".

Well, you learn something new everyday. Thanks for this. I didn't realize it was an influence thing.

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:I have a proposal for the constiution:

Only a WA Nation may hold the position of vice delegate, and that position is an aid appointed my the delegate.

I don't feel strongly either way on this.

Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:I agree. I think the native requirement is a bit too strict. I didn't realize it was based on influence. I thought the game based it on length of time.

How about something like this: Any resident nation in the region for 12 hours can register as a member of Sentagon.

I'd still say it should be a bit longer; say, two days instead of one week. Originally, I was thinking in terms of potential poll lengths so that people can't move here just to vote in one poll, then turn around and leave. I feel like 12 hours is too short, just because a good set of raiders could stay here upwards of a week.

However, I don't agree that they should have to register. Nations should still automatically become part of Sentagon, just after the residency buffer ends. A two day buffer would allow adequate time for the nation to become more accustomed and understanding of our government and its processes.

Forestavia, Order Of Hospitallers, Plugo

Malcholm wrote:I'd still say it should be a bit longer; say, two days instead of one week. Originally, I was thinking in terms of potential poll lengths so that people can't move here just to vote in one poll, then turn around and leave. I feel like 12 hours is too short, just because a good set of raiders could stay here upwards of a week.

However, I don't agree that they should have to register. Nations should still automatically become part of Sentagon, just after the residency buffer ends. A two day buffer would allow adequate time for the nation to become more accustomed and understanding of our government and its processes.

This seems reasonable. I'd like to see if we could build a consensus around this idea. Two days isn't too bad.

Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers

ATTENTION SENTAGON MEMBERS:

Forgive us as we tinker with the government system. This is an important election. If you would like to vote for President in the poll above but cannot because you're not yet a native, just vote right here on the RMB. Your votes will count.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Bunicken wrote:Please submit your resignation at this time, region that shall not be named.

Forestavia wrote:[nation=short]Plugo[/nation], would you like to do this since you're the Delegate now? I think Malcholm might have a draft written somewhere already.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=633528

Forestavia

Malcholm wrote:I'd still say it should be a bit longer; say, two days instead of one week. Originally, I was thinking in terms of potential poll lengths so that people can't move here just to vote in one poll, then turn around and leave. I feel like 12 hours is too short, just because a good set of raiders could stay here upwards of a week.

However, I don't agree that they should have to register. Nations should still automatically become part of Sentagon, just after the residency buffer ends. A two day buffer would allow adequate time for the nation to become more accustomed and understanding of our government and its processes.

Seems reasonable.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Lazarus

Here we are again, Election time! If you are an ORCA Representative please cast your vote for the 2nd Prime Minister of ORCA! This is the Tie Breaker and the remaining Candidates are British Reserves and Kronomia

New Bacon, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Order Of Lazarus

i got a message from communisg block too join but i am not communist so i come here.

i want to join minarchist party

New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Lazarus

This is the best thing i have ever seen in awhile lmfao.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=republic_of_eblomes_1463516125

New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Someone give me their thoughts on this:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=378516

New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Plugo wrote:This is the best thing i have ever seen in awhile lmfao.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=republic_of_eblomes_1463516125

All I'll say is, XD

Plugo wrote:Someone give me their thoughts on this:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=378516

Well, there's not much point retaining a liberation against something that doesn't exist, so I'd vote for it. As for the region itself... on the one hand, I'm not comfortable with the whole censorship thing, but NationStates isn't my website and on the whole it was a victory.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Plugo, Order Of Lazarus

I have noticed another region brought down by Hydra Command. If you do not know who this is they are a region like Den in the sense that they raid by random but the destroy regions not take over. Regions like this need to be stopped. I am pleading that the Left and Right come together to stand with The Unsettled Lands to put an end to Hydra Command. Please contact Arnett Hieghts or any officer of the Unsettled Lands to see if you can help.

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Arnett Hieghts wrote:I have noticed another region brought down by Hydra Command. If you do not know who this is they are a region like Den in the sense that they raid by random but the destroy regions not take over. Regions like this need to be stopped. I am pleading that the Left and Right come together to stand with The Unsettled Lands to put an end to Hydra Command. Please contact Arnett Hieghts or any officer of the Unsettled Lands to see if you can help.

By the way, whatever did happen to the raiders of DEN? I know what happened to their region and that whole debacle, but did they open up yet another raiding region?

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:By the way, whatever did happen to the raiders of DEN? I know what happened to their region and that whole debacle, but did they open up yet another raiding region?

Most of them joined either the black hawks or hydra command.

Order Of Lazarus

So they didn't make yet another new region? Damn.

Order Of Lazarus

Forestavia wrote:I'm holding out on my vote to see whose policies I agree with more. :)

What are your goals for Sentagon and for the region?

#MakeTheCouncilGreatAgain

For too long, the government of this region has been sitting on its but, not doing much at all, with inactive members.

We need active members, policys that benefit everyone in the region, embassys with influential regions, and a unified anti communist initiative!

Order Of Lazarus

Plugo wrote:Someone give me their thoughts on this:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=378516

I love repealing stuff! I'll vote for it.

Order Of Lazarus

Who's running a write-in campaign, Malcholm?

Order Of Lazarus

RP:

Malcholm wrote:IC: [spoiler=Jade's Arrival to the Forestavian Senate][/spoiler]

Jade greeted a few of the senators before taking the podium, allowing for the tensions of the room to settle a bit before she began the event would become the greatest test of her diplomatic capabilities to date. She took the stand, just as she had not a day prior: her brazen stride was accentuated by a confident, heart-felt smile. The podium itself was nothing to gawk at, so she placed her documents neatly on the luminous surface. To her luck, an HDMI port was present. Jade powered on her laptop, plugged it in, and cleared her throat, just as she always did.

"Senators of the Forestavian Government, I thank you ten-fold for allowing me the opportunity to speak before you with such short notice. I'd also like to thank High Councillors Troublesolver and Sharp, and your very own Senator Ross Paul for the warm welcome upon my arrival. I wouldn't have been able to appear before you today had it not been for their generous efforts."

She paused, letting her words briefly sink.

"We see before us a world beset in turmoil, only to find beacons of light and pillars of society in the most distant lands. As some of you may know, my father was a Pyroskian immigrant who arrived here shortly after the inception of the region. Today, we call men and women of his sort "Malcholmian," after the great General, Herald Malcholm; but little do we acknowledge the continued existance of those we call "Pyroskian." Pyroskians, who settled and tamed the lands of the Holy Isles, are an immensely nationalistic morass. They stand by the name of The Greater Holy Isles so fiercely that any hecklers would be lead to believe that they'd just cut off the head of a Hydra. This is the Pyrosky's we know and the Pyrosky you senators have stood by even in their times of tribulation; if we recall the fall of Pyrus, and the assassination of President Aiko. The mutual respect held by our countries runs deep; a near-unshakeable bond that has lead our countrymen to begin adopting aspects of each other's culture. It's incredible, really. That said..I stand before you today because the government of Pyrosky's has forseen a tragic fate for the Greater Holy Isles." An overhead projector flickered on, and the flag of TGHI flashed across the screen before a still image of Pyroskian President James Harlock appeared. "Forestavians, I thank you for your patience."

[1/2, I'll finish the rest later tonight]

Some of the Senators cheered. "Save the Isles!" Others called out, "Annex the Isles!"

Just over nine hundred Senators were present. During the break light chatter began in the chamber speculating about what must be done.

Malcholm, Order Of Lazarus

Forestavia wrote:10. Malcholm retakes the Delegacy! Veto reaffirmed.

11. Sentagon has trouble reaching a simple majority of votes cast in any category. Abstain - 3/ Yes - 3/ No - 6 (Lazarus not included)/ No - 8 (Lazarus included)

Thank you

Order Of Lazarus

Rondaland wrote:#MakeTheCouncilGreatAgain

For too long, the government of this region has been sitting on its but, not doing much at all, with inactive members.

We need active members, policys that benefit everyone in the region, embassys with influential regions, and a unified anti communist initiative!

That's a great speech but what's your plan to make that speech a reality? Who would you want embassies with and why those regions? How would you increase activity within the region?

Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Lazarus

Finally got back up to 500Million populance!

New Bacon, Order Of Lazarus

Plugo wrote:Finally got back up to 500Million populance!

Anarchist Uprising eh?

Plugo

Plugo wrote:Finally got back up to 500Million populance!

Back up? Is it possible to drop?

New Bacon

Just got a msg from ns mods:

Please note that when you send a recruitment telegram to advertise your region or organization, you must tick the "recruitment" checkbox. You can access this by clicking the "+" beside the "To:" box when composing your Telegram.

If you don't do this, it is considered spamming.

More information here.

But i cant even send recruitment telegrams.. I don't have any stamps XD

Forestavia

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Back up? Is it possible to drop?

No you cant drop.

On my old nation i had 600+ mil but it got deleted so i finally have a nation with 500+ mill again.

Malcholm

Plugo wrote:Just got a msg from ns mods:

Please note that when you send a recruitment telegram to advertise your region or organization, you must tick the "recruitment" checkbox. You can access this by clicking the "+" beside the "To:" box when composing your Telegram.

If you don't do this, it is considered spamming.

More information here.

But i cant even send recruitment telegrams.. I don't have any stamps XD

Please do not get the whole region in trouble with the mods. If you want to send recruitment telegrams, make sure to discuss it with the rest of us. Figure out if there's someone else already sending telegrams for the region; sometimes if two people are doing it, even if the telegrams are marked, they might be considered spam.

Forestavia, Malcholm

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