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Region: The Mystical Council
Ooo, that's dangerous!
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon
Agreed. What about appointed positions - like you mister Secretary Delegate? I think we can give leeway to the Secretary Delegate to move around since that office is an appointed office and they answer to the Delegate more than to the region.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Indeed....
New Bacon, Malcholm
Keep in mind how people might feel if they see people who were elected or appointed to a position allowed to leave the region for god knows how long and still retain their position. As Malcholm said there's nothing wrong with having puppets for that sort of thing. Also thinking on it if you give leeway to one, others will expect it too, then all the problems start. Best to treat everyone the same to start with.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I am against this until it becomes more... defined. As it stands, such thing will allow governing members to go apeshit on the resident of the region, with no consequences.
Unrelated note: the Purge Movies appeal to the psyche of 13 year old children living in safe, first world countries, rebelling against their parents. Such children have no understanding or experience of what life under an anarchy ridden state truly means. Meanwhile, all 13 year old children living elsewhere in the world where anarchy is a reality, consider their experience a nightmare.
I too agree with Malcolm statement on elected officers, as well as yours. However, I add that if the appointed officers is requested to be in the region by their appointer, then the appointed officer must be here, unless the appointed officer is on officially requested business, on behalf of the region.
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
To leave, or not to leave? That is the question facing countless British citizens on this fine Thursday. What do you peeps think?
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I voted to leave
Again what your suggested could be accomplished with puppet nations, for example it would be difficult to appoint someone to a job say foreign affairs and say "ok you have to keep your main nation in the region but whats your puppet national called and ill make a note somewhere for the Lunar Council to see that when your on official business you will be operating out of that nation for X number of days" if that makes sense?
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Fiordlandia Ii
Yeah I think that's pretty much what [nation=short]Everloyal[/nation] did when he had an office position here; it works pretty good.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
Updates:
Section 18a has been deleted.
Amendment 6 has been revised.
Amendment 7 is under construction.
Amendment 8 has been added.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
Actually, I think I might delete amendment 7 entirely because the April Fool's Day Festival could interfere with the Sentagon Presidential election which is tentatively scheduled around that time.
I'm going to turn Amendment 8 into Amendment 7. Renumbering.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I will support officers staying in the region, but I have a question: how will it be enforced? If it is an officer appointed by the Delegate, the Delegate can deal with them, or they can be tried by the Lunar Council, but what if it is a Lunar Council Member? The Sentagon, not the Lunar Council, should be in charge of dealing with rogue LC members, yes?
I am a US Citizen, so I can't vote, but I support #brexit because I think the EU is headed for trouble.
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Fiordlandia Ii
Yep. There is no proper order to do this but I sort of imagine it like this.
1. As you have said, the Lunar Council can try them for being in violation of the constitution declaring their actions unconstitutional and may threaten further consequences if the officer does not return to the region immediately. In most cases this would probably be enough to make them realize its time to either come home or resign.
2. If this isn't enough, then we could try impeachment through Sentagon and the Delegacy.
3. But if that doesn't work because either Sentagon or the Delegacy refuse to vote for impeachment then the Lunar Council should probably flex its judicial muscles and vote for some sort of punishment which could include removal of certain authorities.
4. The region will only put up with a powerless, absent, and inactive Lunar Council member for so long until Sentagon and the Delegate finally are convinced to go through with the impeachment.
Malcholm
RP:
A fax was sent from Prosperity, Forestavia to the region's leaders.
"From - [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] in Sentagon
To - [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation], President of Sentagon**
CC to the Lunar Council - [nation=short]AU912 Mystical Council Consulate[/nation], [nation=short]Rrepaimziaraseh[/nation], [nation=short]Tumetu-iin Noyan[/nation], [nation=short]Order of Hospitallers[/nation], [nation=short]Plugo[/nation].
Attached is a formal request for regional leadership to accept embassies from the Forestavian Province of [nation=short]Northern Forestavia[/nation].
Forestavian Intelligence based in [nation=short]Northern Forestavia[/nation] has informed us that Followers Of The Ferret would benefit from an extra layer of protection specifically in the form of establishing and maintaining an embassy with The Mystical Council. This will allow The Mystical Council to better support Orca Hq and Star Wars Battlefront in their military defense of that founderless region. For this region we, as a member of Sentagon, are requesting the President of Sentagon to approve embassies with Followers Of The Ferret.
This request is being sent in light of the fact that the recent invasion taking place in Space has a Europeia connection to it."
Malcholm
RP:
(This chapter is called "Agent 3 Goes Off the Deep End")
Forestavian Intelligence, Prosperity, Forestavia
Agent 1: "Great news everyone. It appears that the ferrets will be secure. I just got word that New Bacon's government approved it."
Agent 2: "Excellent. We have to be ready to prevent any backlash against Europeia from effecting our mission in Followers of the Ferret."
Agent 3 was very quiet, though. "Are you both idiots?"
"Uh-" Agent 1 started to reply.
"We didn't send the request to Bacon!!"
"Oh-" said Agent 1.
"What if Taharqa is wiretapping us???? We need to launch an investigation pronto! There has been an intelligence breach."
Agent 2: "There could be a perfectly normal explanation for all of this. Perhaps one of the people we sent it to shared the information with Bacon."
Agent 3: "No! Absolutely impossible. We know Bacon's got spies in our country. And we're gonna put spies in every country in this region. We're gonna give it right back. I want the New Bacon government leadership wiretapped ASAP."
Forestavia sends spies to the New Bacon capitol to secretly discover the truth.
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Malcholm
They didn't resign their seat if you can read...
Set up a vote for this being forced to stay in the region.
I will vote against it because during stressful times i should be able to take a break from the person causing the stress instead of being forced to stay in the same room as them.
So but they left the region I just wanted to know what should happen to their seats
New Bacon
They keep them (;
New Bacon, Malcholm
Ok just curious because I had the feeling that if you left the region you automatically leave your seat
New Bacon
No, put now people want to implement that.
I assume their will be a vote on it but if we are forced to stay to have a seat but if it is implemented, i will start writing my resignation.
Forestavia, New Bacon
Ah well we all have opinions and I respect everyone's you do what you gotta do
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
the anti fascist action part is a joke btw.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=629396
WE DEMAND A UNION!
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Hw--Wh-whAT?! OAK!!!! Detain these hooligans and take their bonus!!
Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Roleplay**
Narrator: Forestavian Spies arrive at New Bacon City airport. They board the plane to Washington-Alexandria National airport from New Bacon City International. The spies arrive in Alexandria, Virgina at the airport and rent a car to cross into Washington's borders. The agents think Taharqa wiretapped. Forestavian spies try to hide as Washington DC metropolitan Police patrol the area. Only a few lawmakers are in the building at present discussing the business tax exemption act proposal for the New Bacon Territories.
Spy1: Well there's nothing going on so far but law makers discussing tax exemptions dang.
Spy2: We better hide the police is coming in the patrol car.
Spy1: There's no sign of Taharqa in there. I don't understand how New Bacon's government knew about the embassy approval.
Spy2: Hmm should we go spy on FOIL? (Federal Office of Investigations and Law)
Spy1: Bad idea. They will arrest us. Let's just remain here and see what goes on. Call spy3 and tell him to go to the White House. We'll be watching.
Spy2: Let's just hope that no one gets caught by Washington's police, they have undercover cops you know.
Spy1: Well true but even they won't see us. After we get information and investigate then we will board the plane back to New Bacon City (RP New York City) and head to Prosperity got it?!
Spy2: Got it!
--to be continued
Yes red harbor was involved in an anticom op.
At the time borduiaa malcholm and oak weren't high leaders of anticom, Plugo/Nordrlond was.
We have had the red harbor embassy for 73 days.
During that time, plugo was the second in charge of anticom, not oak malchom or anyone else.
General - Plugo (6 Feb 2016 - 25 May 2016)
So no, oak and any of the others were not involved included or anything else, no point to inform them of an operation before their time, the op was buried in top secret files and no one knew anything about it, until yall started the investigation :P.
Even if they were the leaders most likely only oak would have been informed.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
NATIONS OF THE COUNCIL, UNITE!
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Fiordlandia Ii
XD
Malcholm
That clears things up, thanks!
---
I do hope you all (meaning all who were involved in the op) understand though, the three of us can be considered one in the same. We all hold the same levels of responsibility and power in regard to the ANTICOM Alliance, and something shared with one of us would *hopefully* be shared among all three. We share a common goal, meaning will do everything in our power to ensure ANTICOM's success. The only thing I know of that currently isn't shared is the hit-list I constructed--but that will come in it's own time.
I've been a leader in ANTICOM for some time, albeit a relatively quiet one--my app was accepted a day or so after I sent it back on February 10, and I wasn't promoted to high-leadership (seeing as I was second-rank in the Air Force) until just after Castlemaine's untimely dismissal. I've been attempting to coordinate ops off and on, and depending on the reception of my proposals, they worked out--but it was never consistent. I hope now that we've entered a new era, we'll see unparalleled levels of prosperity as an organization and an alliance.
Forestavia, New Bacon
*chokes* Agh!~ I've been silenced! I can't make polls!
Forestavia, New Bacon
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=629396
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=62477
Let the battle begin! Should we make these rampant councilors stay home, or let them roam?
Forestavia, New Bacon
A Union? :)
I was wondering how far you guys were going to let us go with these changes. Vacation? Why not? :P
Very well,
I am deleting Amendment 6 entirely (both versions). Since this is such a controversial issue we will not force any nation to remain here and likewise we will not assert their right to move around either. This issue can be better dealt with via regional law. The constitution shouldn't take a position on this matter.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Fezchia
Don't fold so easily, Oak! We should have some fun with this before we let it die! I demand we hold the vote!
Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
[nation=Forestavia] spys. O_o *check the above RMB post*
Forestavia, Malcholm
Ok, I'm just going to sit back and watch. Let's make them sweat a little.
New Bacon, Malcholm
As long as I'm not forced to join and pay union dues against my will. ;)
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
*Becomes tyrant and forces all in sentagon to join the union*
Forestavia, New Bacon
There was a spy among them named Reef Chum Chum. Reef Chum Chum was the sneakiest among them. And it just so happened he was part of a union and always paid his union dues on time. He took out his magnifying glass. "Hmm.... Taharqa has been in this room before. Look at those footprints. The President has a very unique walk."
After following the footprints for awhile he came across a piece of paper.
"Aha! It's..... a coupon for ferret food! Taharqa will be at the pet store! Maybe that's why he was so interested in our mission....hmm"
New Bacon
Hehehe
Forestavia, Malcholm
Hehehehe, You'll have to talk to New Bacon about that since that office is completely controlled by the Delegate.
Malcholm, Rondaland
Whatever floats [nation=short]malcholm[/nation]'s boat.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Fezchia
Aye, Aye Captain! Polls authority granted.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
WOoooOOO!
Polls galore!! I'll keep the current poll in Sentagon though. We've got more important matters to debate here!
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
So how about that amendment to the EPA? Any word?
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=603317
Can we confirm that this is the final list?
Each of us, you, me, Oak, New Bacon and everyone who is in TMC's government, have an obligation towards the region and its people. No one forced us into these positions, we volunteered, and with our positions come responsibilities. We can't afford to just run away and hide every time something we don't like happens. That's no way for a government to function. That's why I encourage people that if they want to be in the government, they must do their roles. Fulfilling our responsibilities is the only way the region can flourish.
However, if you think you just can't handle it, then you can't fulfill the responsibilities of your position. I am imagine there will come a day that I won't be able to handle what's given onto me in this region, and if I am still a member of the government, I will resign. No shame in that buddy.
We should meet halfway. As I said, [nation=short]Everloyal[/nation] has a very good system going. He has his main Everloyal nation here, and pups in other places he need them, for example, [nation=short]Everloyal3[/nation] is his nation in The Sacred Order. That is why I think Everloyal's system is ideal.
Forestavia, Malcholm
Britain is OUT! I'm so excited!
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'm american but i literally stayed up all night (7 p.m. - 2 a.m.) watching coverage. Twas very Interesting.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
My favorite kind of breakfast is neither pancakes nor waffles but plain ordinary brexits with Canadian maple syrup. And today we have a historic amount of brexits. Eat your brexits - they're good for you.
Malcholm, Fiordlandia Ii
I have an important message on an issue that I feel will split the region apart: Dear people voting for pancakes, what is wrong with you? Pancakes are flat boring jokes. They can't even hold a decent amount of delicious maple syrup, butter, fruit jam, or anything. They are just flat and boring. If you have voted for pancakes, you must stop now and consider what went so wrong in your life, that made you think pancakes are better than a glorious waffle.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Fiordlandia Ii
Same!
^This
I just ate three entire Belgian waffles.
Malcholm
True, true - but the mess created by pancakes is so much easier to clean up.
Malcholm
Everloyal rarely comes on his puppets.
We shouldn't be forced to make a million puppets just because you want us to stay in the sweat shop all day.
We have an embassy for a reason so nothing is really different wether im here or there.
Forestavia
I will most likely have 3 troops for the attack.
Western Forestavia
3 or 4
Western Forestavia
Amendment 6:
[spoiler=Version 1 (rights)]Amendment 6. Every nation, including government leaders, shall have the right to move about as they wish from region to region. It is not the business of regional law or this constitution to force any nation to reside in the region. It is, however, the concern of the voters who will have the final say on election day.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Version 2 (accountability)]Amendment 6. Elected members of government must reside in the region. Furthermore, appointed offices will be held to the same standard upon the Delegate's request. The exception to this rule will be if the government officer is on official business on behalf of the region. If this is the case, then they may move about as required.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Version 3 (puppets)]Amendment 6. Elected members of government may move around from region to region as they desire but are required to at the very least keep a puppet in the region when they do so. Appointed government officers are exempt.[/spoiler]
What are we going to do with this political football? My opinion is to leave all of this out of the constitution.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
The purpose of the embassies is for our neighbors and outsiders to communicate with us. The purpose of the embassies is NOT for us to communicate back with home, so that we can run away and hide in the neighbour's house every time something "annoying" happens here. As I said before, there are responsibilities that come with our office that we are obliged to fulfill, responsibilities that we all volunteered to overtake, and sometimes they can be annoying, and if we can't handle these annoying things, then we can't handle the responsibilities of our office. And if any of us can't handle the responsibilities of their office, they do not belong in there.
I think V1 is too little and V2 is too much, V3 seems best.
Malcholm, Western Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Maybe just let the Sentagon decide in individual cases of Lunar Council absence. If they feel a councilmember has been absent too long or is prioritizing their extracurricular activities on NationStates over their responsibilities to the region, that member should be impeached.
And similarly, if the President of the Sentagon or the Secretary Delegate is absent, the LC should take action.
Malcholm, Western Forestavia
Look at the members here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=629396 and reconsider your suggestion, how democractic do you think that will be? No I think this is the kind of issue that it helps better if the whole region gave its perspective on.
The people in TSO are handling their responsibilities just fine, staying in the region for their whole nations lifetime isn't a responciblility.
You pissed a lot of people off and now you wont even let them have a brake from you, i mean what do you enjoy the arguments?
Do you enjoy people arguing and getting stressed because of you?
This is the best suggestion I've seen so far. I feel a version 4 coming on. AU912, you want to take a crack at drafting Amendment 6, Version 4?
Malcholm, Fiordlandia Ii
All officers in TSO seem to be in TSO. None of them, you included, seem to be residing their officer nations elsewhere. And so it seems all officers in there, again you included, seem to recognize TSO as their main home. So what was your point again?
This is a complete betrayal. You voted for pancakes? How could you?! I also sent you the minor revision for the recruitment telegram.
And maybe's AU912's suggestion could work, but I don't know, I like polls, for example, I like polls in which waffles are crushing pancakes.
Malcholm, Western Forestavia, Fiordlandia Ii
In Plugo's defense, I'm going through a phase where I'm reducing the amount of puppets I have. I'm letting Eastern Forestavia cease to exist. Does that really mean I am not holding up my responsibilities in ANTICOM? Absolutely not. I am responsible for like five separate regions. I am not any less effective in ANTICOM. Likewise, Western Forestavia is an officer in ANTICOM and is not there either. I'm still just as effective because everyone knows how to get ahold of me. They can find me here in The Mystical Council or Telegram Western Forestavia.
We know where to find Plugo if we need him. He's right next store in that shiny new building they built.
ORCA knows where to find British Reserves.
There are plenty of officers that are not located in their regions.
Now of course, I don't think it's a behavior that we should encourage and like I implied in Version 1 of Amendment 6 there will be political fallout for Plugo not being here. But, at the same time, we should be a little more understanding and patient. Plugo and Alpha are busy trying to get TSO off the ground. It's a brand new region and a merger of two separate regions. So things take time. I have no doubt that Plugo will return when the time is right.
Malcholm
But when all is said and done, you consider TMC to be your home, the place you want to see rise and flourish the most, and the place you have the most responsibility towards. When I first came in here, I was under the impression that everyone in TMC's government has this sentiment towards the region. Now it seems that more and more people are caring less and less about being here and about working together to improve the region, as if all that matters is to have your name in the WFE and have some regional powers. That's sad and disappointing, it is not an environment to build a great region.
Malcholm
You are the main reason why we are taking a break to enjoy the shiny beaches of TSO.
If you had not caused the drama and stress we wouldn't have left in the first place.
We are all still council members but need a break.
You caused a problem and we made a solution, but the solution isn't up to your standards now.
Me and plugo have refounded many regions, i already have like 30 puppets, i don't need any more just because you want us to be cooped up in here with you.
If you wanted us to stay in the region you shouldn't have made an unwelcoming and uncomtherable environment for us.
You have a good point about taking ownership and making this place a home. But allowing things to remain flexible is also very important for the future growth and development of the region especially since we have a lot of relationships with other regions and alliances. This region does better when there is flexibility. I think this is an important issue but should we really put it in the constitution? I don't think so.
We already have protections in place. The power of impeachment is held by Sentagon and the Delegate. If those two branches ever think that Plugo is eligible to be impeached for not being here or for being inactive, then they can try to impeach him. Since you feel so passionately about this. You should get in touch with [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] and [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation] and request they start an impeachment vote. As you are not a member of Sentagon your request may be denied. I will state boldly that as a member of Sentagon, I will vote against the impeachment of Lunar Councillor Plugo. Plugo is still active and is an important part of TMC culture.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Rrepaimziaraseh didn't understand, let me rephrase it.
Rephrased:
The LUNAR COUNCIL OFFERS TAKING A VACATION in TSO are handling their responsibilities IN THE MYSTICAL COUNCIL just fine, staying in the region for their whole nations lifetime isn't a responsibility.
You pissed a lot of people off and now you wont even let them have a brake from you, i mean what do you enjoy the arguments?
Do you enjoy people arguing and getting stressed because of you?
New Bacon
Being British im happy with the result. Though i think things are going to get interesting
I lean towards version 2.
Chill out! firstly if your not in an officers or council position then it doesnt matter if your hear or not. But if you are then you should be here. Your elected to represent the residents of the region not the residents of some other region. Man im getting tired of reading the back and forth bickering between the two of you.
I understand what your saying but i think the important difference between ORCA/ANTICOM is they are more coordination regions, regions where people gather from other regions to plan defence and attack of various regions (hope im correct with that as im really just taking a stab in the dark with that sentance)
But the Mystic Council is a propper region and one where people want to spend time, chill out, have fun and yes take part in ORCA/ANTICOM stuff too on occasions. My point is its a very different dynamic here than in ORCA/ANTICOM so whats acceptable and more importantly works in one region isn't necessarily the same for this region
New Bacon, Malcholm, Western Forestavia
TMC is our home, those officers have been out of the region for like 2 days but your having a tamper tantrum.
Can we put the whole blasted issue up for a region vote and allow the region to decide? it would save this drama and solve the problem with the constitution at the same time. Thus a win win all around
Malcholm
I AM NOT RESIGNING MY SPOT AS PRESIDENT
I AM NOT RESIGNING MY SPOT AS PRESIDENT
I AM NOT RESIGNING MY SPOT AS PRESIDENT
I AM NOT RESIGNING MY SPOT AS PRESIDENT
I AM NOT RESIGNING MY SPOT AS PRESIDENT
I AM NOT RESIGNING MY SPOT AS PRESIDENT
I AM NOT RESIGNING MY SPOT AS PRESIDENT
I am going to join the union!
New Bacon, Malcholm, Western Forestavia
This is basicly Rrepwhatever vs The majority.
3 council members + the sentagon president agree that people should be able to work outside the region.
But why would we do that? This is so much more exciting.
@ Rondaland, I think we should hold an impeachment vote. If anything so that we can show that the region is still largely behind Plugo. You can use the back up region if there is still a poll happening in Sentagon.
New Bacon, Malcholm
I get that but he does raise a valid point, and as you guys cant agree and if you go with the majority then its going to leave a sour taste in people mouths. Giving the region the choice would be the fairest way to resovle the issue. Not perfect but fair
New Bacon, Malcholm
its certainly controversial
New Bacon
[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], can we delete the waffle poll??? We may be having an impeachment vote soon.
New Bacon, Malcholm
#JusticeAgainstRrepaimziaraseh
For too long he has stirred problems here, dividing us on small issues!
New Bacon
Who are we impeaching?
Rrepaimziaraseh?
OOC:
I'm tired of it too honestly. Now if you are a regional officer you should be in the region at least during the constitutional vote. Then if other laws happen then y'all could create some kind of puppet or something. I have to maintain a million puppets too. The constitution couldn't even PASS because there's only TWO lunar council members in the region. We need THREE! You all are on thin and dangerous ice now!!! I am going to say VERY BOLDLY that the lunar councilors should do their job regardless of the circumstances. So therefore if you can't do your job then we can do the impeachment process if necessary but I'm gonna hold it off right now. And like [nation=short]parakka northland[/nation] said that's enough.
Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Plugo.
Except we aren't going to impeach him we are going to vote against it. At least that's what I'm campaigning for. You are going to want to come back over here so that you can help me vote against it. We need to get our President back over here, too. Otherwise Plugo might actually get impeached.
Malcholm
The vote ended days ago, it was suspended
New Bacon
I know
That is our whole argument, that we can do our job without having to stay their 24/7.
This is my first time away from the region since my 4-5 cycle reign as counciler, am i not allowed to be away for 2 days?
Rrepwhatever is acting like we have been away for months
New Bacon
I say we have a vote on who to impeach
Post self-deleted by Rrepaimziaraseh.
Then we will have a discussion because I'm tired of this mess. We already had an incident with [region=Red Harbor] and you mistakenly blamed me for closing the embassy when I had nothing to do with it. That's all I got to say I'm signing off of nationstates a little while until things cool down.
Malcholm
[nation=short]Plugo[/nation] and [nation=short]Order of Hospitallers[/nation]. What you two think of as "stressful arguing" I think of as nothing more of a healthy debate of opposing opinions. This kind of activity, not only is it not bad, it is the basis of democracy. Do not run away from opposing opinions. That is cowardice. Face it, voice yourself, and allow the whole to voice themselves too.
You get extremely frustrated on things that shouldn't frustrate you that much, and I am not sure if the fault is in you, or maybe I am simply someone who can take a lot of punch and shrug it off. In hindsight, I came from a region where people lied and betrayed each other, a region that was riddled with conflict all the time, and arguing there, real stressful arguing, was far greater than anything that TMC has seen here. Both [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and [nation=short]Parakka Northland[/nation] can stand testament to the kind of things that happened in The Union. Maybe that just made me grow too much thick skin, that I can't be stressed out by what stresses you and I can't see things from your perspective clearly. But I am trying.
So I wish you try to see things from my perspective as well: [B]We are the face of the region[/B], we are the people that others in our region look towards when there is something to do, we are the leaders of this region, and when people go to our nations and see we are elsewhere, then we will be giving out a message that we don't care about the region. That's what I am trying to prevent, is that truly such a bad thing?
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
It's up to New Bacon or Rondaland. New Bacon said he was going to hold off and Rondaland is not in the region so I guess we're not impeaching anyone.
Keep an eye on Mystical Council and Sentagon as well everyone a poll could pop up there.
I demand Rondaland create a poll in Mystical Council before this region erupts into revolution.
Yeah, it was intense in The Union. I remember that.
*Chills run up spine*
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
yeah quoted the wrong one my bad.
New Bacon
We all had the same flag for awhile so that mistake was bound to happen.
New Bacon
We just got over red harbor, but you have to bring up another incident just let the peace last will you please?
I don't really know you but i know you dont want us to have vacation days, and you didn't want red harbor.
My and many other opinions of you is very sour so please just stop starting stuff.
New Bacon
Ok, this is getting intense now. Take small step back everyone. I'll go ahead and make the impeachment poll in Mystical Council. It will be for Plugo. I am asking members of Sentagon to return to the region since you must be in the main region to have your vote count.
Lunar Council Members are not permitted to vote as a specified in section 17.
This should settle the argument. The poll will go for three days.
New Bacon, Malcholm
not to mention the biggest waste of two weeks trying to sort that S***t out
Forestavia, Malcholm
Its pointless, isn't it only 1 person that wants that vote?
Once we get a ammendment protecting our right to vacation days we will return
You and your friends seem to be blind to the fact that none of this is personal. [B]What personal quarrel do you think I have against you? Just try to think of a reason why I don't like you, personally. [/B]
There is none.
No, I would have brought up these issues forth regardless of the parties involved.
Malcholm
They are not my "friends".
The issue is we want a break from you and you don't want us to exercise our right to do so.
This I agree with. Hopefully everyone is here by July 22nd. Because when those borders close, no one will be getting in. And if anyone leaves during the constitution vote they won't be able to get back in.
Malcholm
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