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Region: The Mystical Council
[nation=short]Alistia[/nation] do you really need it pinned in WFE? To prevent crowding we should keep the WFE for current news and all purpose dispatches that everyone needs access to.
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
I'll remove the dispatch (if lemon doesn't beat me) once I put in in the govt page or forest puts it in the regional info center [nation=short]mugwop[/nation].
Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
A Recommendation
Also again, [nation=short]chingis[/nation] should be granted an exemption some kind of way due to that den scandal that happened. Chingis is not able to join the World Assembly as of now.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
I am not aware about the details of the matter. I guess you can talk with the rest about it and I will update the list accordingly.
Civilisunio
[nation=short]Rondaland[/nation] you too please need to get yourself sorted.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I can vouch for Chingis since he's a lazy bum--I chase him nearly every update.
Truxol, Parakka Northland, Chingis
Shush you commie warden.
Malcholm, Truxol, Civilisunio
Poll on the Governmental Transparency and Activity Bill end with a 7-6 NO after counting valid votes.
Parakka Northland
This is a win for democracy and the preservation of Judaical Authority
[B]Role Play[/B]
Statement from Governor Maximus
"This is a great day for the region of The Mystical Council, we have taken a step in ensuring that not only is our Judaical Authority maintained but also that our government isn't faced with unnecessary bureaucracy. However, whilst this is a small victory it still doesn't mean we should become complacent. There is a lot of work to bring this region back to its former glory and again i am committed to ensure that is achieved. I have already said that we are running for delegate and i firmly believe that it wont be till a new delegate is chosen, well we see real change within this fine region"
Same with rondaland
I dont need it in in the wfe no, but i need it pinned
Rondaland is valid, both him and chingis proved their situation Many times before, so looks like the vote is a 7-7 tie.
When someone has a chance pin this https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=821992 and make a poll out of it.
[ honestly sucks i gotta ask someone else every time i need to make a poll or pin something now :( ]
Barishmacht
Run for office
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Pros and cons of each Minister opinion :/
anyone who has something they want to be put on the voting stands tg me.
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Well that pie chart doesn't belong there because it's not something that everyone needs to check often. It's RP stats. As Bacon said, Forest should put it in the Regional Info Center.
Pinned dispatches should be the goverment page, news, and temporary things the region needs to review before voting on like the flag dispatch you made; just to prevent overcrowding and having +10 dispatches and a complete mess.
Speaking of which, I propose we keep the flag dispatch until the 19th, wait to see if anyone suggests other ideas, and on that Friday we can make the flag poll.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=822066
I would like to thank both [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka northland[/nation] for their excellent interviews! Although you two don't always agree, you have both made tmc a better place by adding activity and debate.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
The Battle Guard's New Seal
http://imgur.com/6Sjcbf4
Truxol, Parakka Northland
I would have let it pass in January, but in May 2017 this is unforgivable.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I found reading Civ answers to question 4 was rather interesting and is a very telling answer
Civilisunio
And its very telling that you would respond to it with such a nasty comment! Im very offended.
Which comment did you find nasty and offensive?
Civilisunio
interesting and is a very telling answer
How is that a nasty and offensive comment?
Civilisunio
Just dont worry about it. You dont need to know everything parakka.
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Post self-deleted by Viva Italia.
I would today like to officially confirm my candidacy for Prime Minister.I urge you to ask questions about my candidacy
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=822423
Exotic Lemon
The link to your candidacy is in the Government page.
Viva Italia
Thanks
New Bacon
I would like to officially announce my intention to run for regional popcorn man.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'll have a box
Okay people I need more input on Article 9
9. In the event that only 1 person is running for office, then this person would be the default candidate winner. However, before assuming the office, the candidate must be approved by 2 out of the 3 executive heads of goverment: WA Delegate, Prime Minister, and Judicial President. Any executive head who disapproves of the candidate, must give a reasonable argument as to why they don't find the default candidate suitable for office.
Public Opinions on Article 9:
Malcholm
I knew I shouldn't have published that. Just let it go guys.
New Bacon, Viva Italia
I agree.Both are starting to get a bit annoying.
I would also like to announce my candidacy for that position.
Gyuamno
Its not rp stats.. Its regional influence stats, how much influence each person has, which is the main format war in nationstates happens... Can't believe you think influence is rp.. Didn't you used to raid?
Anyhow, it relates to a vote that will be coming up soon, so please pin it for god sakes.
No, stop trying to postpone it.
We should add @malcholms flag idea to the list then create the poll.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=821994
Domestic and foreign don't need to merge.Why are we even having a poll about it?
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
It's RP in the sense that regional influence is meaningless in our region beyond playing pretend, unless a disaster happens and we need to refound, then regional influence becomes a very real thing here.
Also what is the poll you are talking about? Share that with us and if the pie chart is somehow relevant data on how people vote, then yeah sure it should be pinned. Either way, such dispatches that people need to review before voting, should only be up for a week max before a poll is setup. It should not be up indefinitely. This is what we used to have before: a WFE crowded with so many dispatches that it had become a mess. We shouldn't have that again.
Also I am not postponing the flag poll for the the sake of postponing things. Remember what happened last time? I gave people a week and still after the deadline people has submissions. That is why I am postponing the poll until next Friday, to see if there's more submissions. However, if one of the department heads thinks it is essential that we do this ASAP and not wait for anymore submissions, then I don't mind setting up the poll now.
Speaking of which, is [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]'s flag in this list? https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=821992
I think this needs to be discussed first before polling. There might be some merit to the idea.
New Bacon
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Guys, limit the number of dispatches in the WFE. The overcrowding is ridiculous. Thank you.
-[nation=short]new bacon[/nation]
Parakka Northland
theres only 4?
I'm pretty sure someone suggested it to be put up for vote.
I think it may be good, I mean our last foreign minister got impeached for inactivity, and the domestic minister does little besides poll making.
Influence would be the main factor to defend against raiders though, and he is defense minister so it would be very important.
Yep, I sure do nothing around here. You're so right about that.
Not really, in the many attempts that other regions in the past tag raided us, never did our influence play a major role in the matter. I grant you that if we were founderless, then that would an entirely different story.
Illfated, Parakka Northland
I agree with this.... both have clear set roles, and merging them together would impact on the quality of work that can be achieved. Not to mention that we would be reducing the officer in the region. Now I would be more willing to say merge the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Defence. As let's face it unless there is an invasion the MD does little to nothing that can seen, they certainly haven't been doing what I think they should be. Such as training for members encase we are invaded. Contingency plans encase the founder CTE, forming closer relations with our allied regions (embassy regions) so that we can get aid in if needed, etc.
So merging those two departments would make sense. Though again doing so would reduce our officer number which wouldn't necessarily be a good thing.
FYI [nation=short]Alistia[/nation]
Yeah actually this makes more sense. Defense and Foreign affairs merged starting next election cycle. I can create a poll for that next week, till then we can discuss the logistics of it.
Parakka Northland
Meh.
One focus's on foreign relations, one focus's on regional defense. That seems like a lot of stuff for one person to handle, and they both have clear cut duties that don't correlate enough to each other to merge the positions.
I agree that more people should be trained, but I know immortal Elysium did receive training and worked with TWPAF, and in all the recruiting attempts iv'e seen in my whole lifetime in the region (by bacon, lemon, civ, alistia, etc) little people have actually wanted to receive training or work in military activities.
Parakka Northland
Just a suggestion. Though the position could be opened to two or more people to get the job done so to speak. A bit like the judical council thing if that makes sense.
It is the best idea so far. The minister of defense already has all the office powers pertaining to the minister of foreign affairs.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
It contradicts the entire idea of merging a position if your just going to have to seperate people do it. Then it becomes confusing and has no need.
Illfated
I don't understand what you mean by separate people to do it. If foreign and defense are merged the new position will be 1 ministry with 1 person overseeing it.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Parakka said this: "Just a suggestion. Though the position could be opened to two or more people to get the job done so to speak. "
And you said "It is the best idea so far. "
Ah I guess it got confusing. Yeah if any job is merged than 1 person should take over it.
lol yeah why merge the position if multiple people are gonna do it.
It may have the physical power of embassies, but no where in the description does it say to manage all foreign affairs and embassies.
Post self-deleted by Mugwop.
Well of course; no other ministry postion now beside the office of the minister of foreign affairs says they must manage all foreign affairs and embassies, because right now the potions are not merged. After they are merged however then the title and duty responsibilities will be changed to reflect that.
Okay so obviously there will be a poll on whether the office position is merged, but the question is [B]should the office merger be between Minister of Domestic Affairs and Minister of Foreign Affairs or should the merger be between Minister of Defense and Minister of Foreign Affairs[/B]
Minister of Defense and Minister of Foreign Affairs office powers: Border Control, Communications, Embassies (all these powers are currently held by the Minister of Defense)
Minister of Domestic Affairs and Minister of Foreign Affairs office powers: Polls (currently Domestic exclusive), Communications, Embassies (currently Foreign exclusive)
Now due to us having elections this term, schedule will be tight, and there won't be time for both of these polls. So far It seems there are more people supporting a Minister of Defense and Minister of Foreign Affairs merger so this will be the poll, but if you disagree with this or agree please make yourself heard; [B]please voice yourself on the RMB about this ASAP.[/B]
So as a result of this, I have realized that we have to move things quickly:
1. [B]Flag Poll[/B]: The flag poll has to be done today, if not today then it has to be postponed until Sunday May 21. [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], or anyone else, if I get your flag suggestion today then I can start the poll today. If we do it today the poll will run from May 13 - May 16 on TMC. (During that time period I want people to discuss ministry merger on RMB)
2. [B]May 17 - May 20[/B]
-We're gonna have scheduled Judicial Council seat candidacy on MC. This will be the seat of [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation]
-Also we're gonna have the ministry merger poll, after discussing it on the RMB. This poll will be on TMC.
3. [B]May 21 - May 24[/B]
-We're gonna have the scheduled Judicial Council seat election on TMC.
-If we don't do the flag poll today (May 13) we do it here (May 21) on MC.
4. [B]May 25 - May 28[/B]
-3 Day candidacy poll for the office of Prime Minister on The Mystical Council
And the rest of the election schedule is the same
Parakka Northland
My suggestion of multiple came from the point raised by [nation=short]illfated[/nation] who pointed out quite rightly that one person doing two different jobs and taking over both sets of responsibilities could be too much work. I do support the idea if the positions are merged then it should be one person overseas the new role
Illfated
Might want to forward the schedule to the prime minister and delegate so that in the event that your not around, they can do the polls for you
Illfated, Viva Italia
The entire post is linked in the telegram I sent.
[nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], [nation=short]VIVA ITALIA[/nation]
Illfated, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
put the flag poll up today, yes.
the merger poll should be:
A: Merge the position of foreign affairs with defense
B: Merge the position of foreign affairs with domestic affairs
C: Abolish foreign affairs completely.
D: Leave it be.
also, foreign affairs should have polls to, weather it be merged with defense or left in existence.
Civilisunio
Great poll format. Also, why did you go inactive?
Flag poll will be up today if I get something from [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] before 12AM EST.
And yeah I guess we can setup the poll like that, though it will split up the vote. Okay so I think we can do it like that, until Wednesday I will be on the lookout on how people feel about the issue; if the question is merge vs no merge, then we will have to have a 1 option poll to not split the poll, and determine beforehand which is the most popular merge option. However, if people are mostly open to the idea of merging and the main question is which type, then we will have a 2 option poll because splitting the vote won't be a factor.
My submission is my current nation flag.
I just sent it to Alistia bc he had the whole list of suggestions. I'll send you a link to it too.
I'm not even sure its worth the effort if no one paid attention the four times it got posted on Discord and the RMB =.="
Honestly.
It's.
A bit.
Frustrating.
Sorry about that, I asked Alistia if your suggestion is on the list he made but I didn't get an answer.
Anyway, flag poll is made. The links are easiest to check out from the telegram I sent everyone. You can also check out the links from the poll by going to the "Voters" page and copying from there.
Alistia, Malcholm
http://i.imgur.com/UbfuZfZ.jpg ...... A bit of foreshadow?
Gyuamno
What's with all the star wars flags lol
Alistia, Malcholm
Meesa bombad jedi
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
How many more times is TMC going to change the flag?
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
*gazes into my crystal ball and then looks up* I think it's broken it says 43 times, best ask the lord [nation=short]mugwop[/nation], maybe he can read the volcano smoke signals to define an answer haha
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm
Roleplay
A [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] diplomat calls Governor Maximus on the Phone...
"Governor Maximus, that's quite a large number. When the regional flag changes, the Battle Guard's seal also changes in respect to the regional flag. It is costing the New Bacon Government money to keep making those things. Hopefully the almighty [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] will answer your cries and my cries soon. Now if you will excuse me Governor Maximus, I have to get back to watching Comrade Igor from [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation]. He won't leave my office!"
Alistia, Malcholm
The previous flag poll,https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=90768, explicitly outlined this http://i.imgur.com/qcK2rJD.jpg as the seal, independent of the flag itself which was this http://i.imgur.com/pLFzP0d.png (the current flag)
So the seal is not changing and you don't have to worry about that.
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm
[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] I was referring to The Battle Guard's seal.
You mean the one that says, Seal of the Battle Guard 2016?
[B]2016?![/B]
Well you're gonna have to change that anyway. Don't put a year on it even, or "seal of". Just "The Battle Guard"
New Bacon
Role Play
"Tycho Clímaco, we understand your concerns, every time one of these silly elections take place, I have to give people time off to vote.... it's costing our economy dearly! My people here are starting to hope for more elections.... the lazy bums want more time off! Anyway I'll let you go, can't trust those commies.... he won't leave your office you say? Well start nailing down your valuables haha
New Bacon
Yes Mugwop, I like the current seal but when this flag changes.... :| A seal doesn't look good without text at the bottom and top. Some seals have years on them mugwop but I understand you don't like it.
Roleplay
I see, I may have to put the building on lockdown if Comrade Igor doesn't get out of here. He's creeping me out. I'm going to start locking all my valuables!
Parakka Northland
Oh yeah there needs to be text on the bottom. Put a motto that you like.
"Bitches be crazy" or something of the like
Malcholm
[nation=short]the_immortal_elysium[/nation], [nation=short]truxol[/nation],[nation=short]malcholm[/nation]
Folks I'm gonna need you to direct me to where your WA nations are or join the WA on these nations so that I can confirm you on the Citizen Status Register https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=820739 I'm sorry if you have done this before, it's just that something have been lost recently and we need to reorganize.
[nation=short]exotic_lemon[/nation] is also non-WA but I know he's out to help a friend with defense stuff. If it's gonna take a long while though then Lemon please give me the name of your current WA nation.
If you can't join the WA, and you can't show where your current WA nation is, then ask Delegate [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], PM [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation], and Judicial President [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] to vouch for you. If 2 of these 3 would personally confirm you, you don't need verification status (please don't ask me to confirm you myself; I don't have the authority; I am just following preset rules)
Speaking of Delegate [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], PM [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation], and Judicial President [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation], this is our list of unverified/non-citizen nations:
I need the three of you to tell if there's anyone here that you vouch for as being a unique and independent nation.
Parakka Northland
My wa is switching constantly. Currently I have none, but I know plugo needs it and I am sure someone else will ask for it in the near future.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Okay well [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], [nation=short]VIVA[/nation] ITALIA, and [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] I also need you to confirm Lemon too.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I vouch for Lemon, Chingis, Moltavo, and Rondaland
Parakka Northland
why did I need to be vouched for? Do you need me to bring back my wa?
I confirmed mine not the WA way.
Happy Mother's Day to all the moms (and dads who play mom) out there!
Can confirm, four score and seven years ago when I was Judicial President he let me know, and I let the WA Delegate at the time know - therefore, a citizen.
Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
I can vouch for lemon since hes bout to be on a military expedition with me, Truxol showed previous evidence, Jeger is raiding, and Chingis was wa banned, may not be anymore but, and rondaland has some wa problem too saw a screenshot before. Moltavo is a real seperate person but haven't talked to him lately
Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
No. Your WA doesn't have to be in the region, but every person has to have a WA in order to be in office or vote on anything, as per the Citizenship Bill.
And if you can't be in the WA, you need at least a couple department heads to verify you.
Great, do you remember who was the delegate for reference? (You can see from our regional history to figure out who was delegate in your time period https://www.nationstates.net/page=region_history/region=the_mystical_council)
Currently half verified:
[nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation], [nation=short]Chingis[/nation], [nation=short]Moltavo[/nation], and [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation]
Those four can now be verified by either [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] or [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation]
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Ill verify Lemon.I have never seen anything in regards to the other three.
Truxol, Exotic Lemon
91 days ago, sent the telegram to Parakka.
Malcholm, Truxol
Okay so this is all the changes now:
[nation=short]The_Immortal_Elysium[/nation]: WA member by another nation ([nation=short]Niv Tan[/nation])
[nation=short]Truxol[/nation] and [nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation]: verified by regional department heads
Half verified people: [nation=short]Chingis[/nation], [nation=short]Moltavo[/nation], and [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation]
And [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] will probably list his WA when he logs in.
Malcholm, Truxol, Civilisunio
I can vouch that chingis is WA banned.
Truxol
Updated.
This leaves us with [nation=short]Moltavo[/nation] and [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation], and I guess Forest can verify them.
Truxol
Ill show viva evidence 2morrow in discord
Alistia, Truxol
I guess it doesnt matter really but Teurs was the delegate when I was first confirmed
Alistia
Yeah I guess this is the correct info. 91 days ago Teurs was delegate https://www.nationstates.net/page=region_history/region=the_mystical_council I will update my list.
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
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