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Region: The Mystical Council
then you shall verse me!
Gyuamno, Forestavia
All are invited to join me in my office for any conversation that you may need to have or just for fun!:)
*Pours a glass of Moscow Champagne*
Forestavia
Loki is the only one who may curse our people. For we do not and will not accept you as a diety
*slaps glass out of hand, since you are more underage then me
Forestavia
Loki is the only one who may curse our people. For we do not and will not accept you as a diety
( I meant false not also )
I'd be glad to join in the festivities!
Civilisunio
Great.
Gyuamno
Eventually have no doubt about that. Things are just taking time due to the communication channels that are open to all participants.
Mugwop
I will be running for Minister of Culture.
Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
In the meantime, if you can't make it public and that's understandable, it's probably best to disclose the basic idea with at least whomever becomes the minister of foreign affairs.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Well,
*pauses to wink at [nation=short]Parakka[/nation] and [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]*
I was thinking since RP is dead here anyway and since we have embassy posting in The Greater Holy Isles and Solar Alliance, why don't we just role play there? I've completely moved my RP over to those two regions.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
some of us use separate nations over there.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
They wouldn't be effected, but for those people who only have one nation and don't want to move between regions it's not a bad idea
Forestavia
Like Parakka said, there's nothing to release yet since nothing is for sure. But let me be straight to the point with you guys. We are working on a form of merge between our three regions - a soft merge. Maybe merge is "too strong" a word. It could be better understood as a significant alliance that ties our three regions together in a special way. We are exploring several different ideas at this time.
We are still in very preliminary stages and are taking these talks extremely slowly because we want to prevent loss of regional identity. I'm fully aware that many people in this region have had bad experiences with merges in the past so we're gonna make it so that no one is forced to move if they don't want to, each region will retain their identity and regional government, and there will be a way for us to pull out of the agreement down the road if we're not happy with it. So this "merge" will be a soft one and will incorporate several protections for each region and the nations residing therein. In a lot of ways, most things will stay exactly the same way they are now and it will be business as usual. And I promise you, it's not going to be the typical "close every embassy, close the borders, and eject everyone". This is not going to be that kind of a merge. No one will be kicked out against their will.
For now, nothing is for sure. Even if the founders of all three regions agree on something it's going to have to go to vote in each of our respective regions according to each regional government and according to each region's laws. So this is going to take some time with our different schedules and the fact that we are in different time zones.
I know it's vague, but that's all there is to say at this point. When we have something more concrete to share with you we will share it. But for now you can rest assured that we are taking every measure necessary to do this in a way that honors and respects every nation and each region involved.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Barishmacht, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
both [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] and [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] should be granted coms authority again.
They use their powers for things they shouldn't have, but its been a while so i think they can handle getting them back.
Forestavia, Barishmacht
But that does not address the issue at all; this can't be a valid verdict of the case. It does not examine the charges laid out in the case, and it does not address whatsoever the extremely inappropriate, disrespectful carried out by Barishmacht. I expect at the very least that the Judicial Council forces Barishmacht to admit what exactly is the reason for his poor behavior.
Barishmacht has said that he treated me with such disrespect and hostility, because I have done the same to him in the past. When I asked hmi to "show me where I have done that and I will apologize" He refused to do that.
That is why I request that the Council make an appropriate decisive ruling and should force [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] to:
[B]A)[/B]Show clear evidence by submitting links to posts made by me predating the dispatch incident, in which I was unnecessarily "rude and arrogant". And upon showing us his clear evidence, [B]and I will make a public apology to him[/B].
[B]B)[/B] Upon his failure to submit and evidence that I have mistreated him before the dispatch incident, [B]he must make a public apology to me[/B] for his inappropriate and condescending during the dispatch incident.
Or [B]C)[/B] If [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] refuses to submit any evidence to the council, like I have, about me wronging him before the dispatch incident, and refuses to apologize for his behavior during the dispatch incident, the council must rule to [B]remove him from office temporarily or permanently due to his disrespect and suprodiantion[/B] to the regional government.
Gyuamno, Malcholm
I double curse your children... and Loki.
Malcholm
Interesting Mugwop, I would like to respond to your post later. I'm on my phone right now.
In other news: Someone brought a cake to work. I look very much forward to eating it.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Is it a cheesecake? I live cheesecakes. Well, I love fluffy beautiful cheesecakes.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
i dont think that was the verdict, just a statement on it.
Parakka Northland
[nation=short]teurs[/nation] [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation]
one of yall find all the posts submitted as evidence
Malcholm
i think that should be down to only [nation=short]teurs[/nation] and [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] for obvious reasons
Malcholm
You have no power over The Christonians Imperium
No if Barishmacht says that I have made posts about him predating the dispatch incident in which I was without cause being rude and arrogant of him, he gotta submit those as evidence to justify his attitude towards me.
These are my documentation regarding RMB posts made during The dispatch incident, that I have submitted to the LC, which shows Barishmacht unjustifiably being disrespectful, hostile, and extremely uncooperative, for reasons unknown. The posts are of course public record and can be seen by anyone browsing the RMB.
http://i.imgur.com/QRD9x4O.png (Picture is zomeable)
Malcholm
I CURSE THE IMPERIUM CHILD! You can't stop us from cursing all of your people's nation
Only boiled dodo meat can ward off our curses, and the dodo has been extinct. It's the most evil plan. Haaaaa hahahahaha!
Malcholm
Unfortunately, it was not cheesecake. My coworker's daughter made the cake. It was a devil's food cake with chocolate mousse. Delicious none the less, I approved.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
You misunderstood what I meant. Yes Barishmacht should submit any evidence as needed. But in terms of gathering the other relevant information for the case that should be done by someone impartial
Gyuamno, Alistia
[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] you get comms and so does [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation]. You need to stop talking about the case on the tomb [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] it is just a nuisance now and we have already heard you story and you can submit additional information by telegram or discord to the judicial branch.
I allow comms back because teurs is the authority and what he says goes for this case and if he believes your ready than you are but if you keep dragging on the case you will lose comms.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Alistia
Not tomb I meant rmb.
Malcholm
We have genetic cloning machines for surgery and medical uses.
Civilisunio
But before the dispatch incident you guys where cool?
I just meant that if he can find the original things he submitted while AU912 was still in office, he should
Parakka Northland
Muggy we can clone dodos
Forestavia, Mugwop
Oh that makes sense. Moreover from the other parties who were involved in the case, I also trust [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] to be impartial if they want to gather anything to submit as well.
I sympathize with how you feel. So here's what I do. If someone asks me somethings or makes a post on the RMB referencing the case and requiring my input, I will reply to it on the RMB. If they make it through telegram, I will reply via telegram. I will however not make a reply on the RMB for a telegram (unless it's something that somehow pertains to the entirety of the region) That's my simple philosophy that I hope you can find reasonable.
As far as I knew, yes. I had nothing against the guy. He however claims that I at some point at the past then, have said something to him and acted in an arrogant manner, and he uses that to justify his attitude with me. When was that point? What did I actually say? Are there any links to such posts? All that remains a complete mystery.
Malcholm
YOU CAN'T CLONE WHAT DOESN'T EXIST!
Our savage people hunted that stupid bird down into extinction almost a thousand years ago.
Your children remain cursed. Praise be to Lord [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation].
you didnt kill them all actually, a few existed all over, you can also clone them from preserved bones which is what we did.
Mugwop
[nation=short]viva italia[/nation]. Fix it:http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618
Nope. You can be diplomatic and tell them you will telegram them the information. Nobody should be talking about the case on the rmb pure and simple. I don't want to have to ask you any more.
Try some manners lol
Viva Italia
Fixed.
Civilisunio
Thank you.
I changed the WFE you can go check it out. It looks attractive and clean.
Gyuamno, Mugwop
Looks very good, well done!
Civilisunio
Thanks.
Gyuamno
why would anything before the incident matter at all?
the incident sparked it all
Alistia, Barishmacht
i liked all the colors before :(
Barishmacht, Civilisunio
Civ, let's be honest here. We all know why you are trying to cover this up and hide it, and please try to be level headed as you read this whole thing.
It's not diplomacy, it's not about it being a nuisance to the region, it's not about the conversation being out of control. All the conversations that have been made on the RMB regarding the case in the last day, have been proper, civil, and respectful of each other. There is no issue here and I think the rest agree.
No, the reason you want to cover this up is not any of this. The reason is because [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] is your friend. Most people knew this before, and those who didn't became aware of it when you made him Grand Duke.
[B]And I don't really blame you for it[/B], people sometimes do... less than ethical things for their friends, and so you are trying to protect your friend by burying the case.
Now the thing is I knew Bar was your closest friend in the region for a long time now, waaaaaay before I endorsed you, and I have expected that this might result in some biases. I just want you to know that if you come out in the open about the protection of your friend, you don't have fear that I will un-endorse you.
However, neither I nor the rest of the region will be appreciative if you stifle the conversation like that to protect Bar. That's undemocratic. Now if things get out of control as they once did between me and Bar, feel free to put your foot down. But right now the conversation is appropriate, and people are having a civil discussion.
So if you want to honest with us and say something in defense of Bar, go right ahead, I encourage our delegate to be direct and clear with us. But please, don't kill people's right to a civil conversation.
[B]P.S:[/B] Thank you for amending the WFE. It looked like an eyesore for a while and now it's much more sleek.
To me the dispatch incident was the start. To [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], he claims that I have done something before that in which I have horribly wronged him, and so his poor attitude during the dispatch incident and thereafter, is a response to what I have done then.
The problem is, it is completely unknown what it is that I have done to him before the dispatch. I have informed him numerous times via telegram that if he would direct me to whatever it is that I said before the dispatch incident that he found offensive, then I would be more than happy to apologize for it.
He refused all of my attempts to work on the issue, and rejected all my attempts of apology... because I am arrogant. [B]So his logic is:[/B] I was arrogant at some unknown point to him before the dispatch thing, and because I am arrogant, he will not tell me when that point is, so that I can't apologize to him for being arrogant.
I can't say that I follow up with that logic. Can you?
Civilisunio
YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH THIS!
LORD [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] will have the last laugh!
Alistia, Malcholm
Barish and Civ have only really gotten close recently, and can you give any proof that barishmacht said the conflict started before the dispattch incident?
It's not barishmacht. It's [nation=short]alistia[/nation] and I don't bias him so that shows you that I picked bsrishmacht because he was interested and seemed right for the job. I even have you comms first.
Not that I have anything right now in my 20 telegrams only inbox. But I can show you screenshots of my sent telegrams asking him numerous times to please show me where it is that I have offended him before the dispatch thing, asking him to please direct me to the point where it all started for him, and that I will be more than willing to apologize.
Alright, well I just hope that you allow a conversation to exist so long as people are civil to each other. If something goes out of hand however I will respect your decision muffle those.
Gyuamno, Alistia
From some earlier rmb posts it just seems that he got mad that you didnt answer some of the questions he asked you
Gyuamno
I remember him mentioning something like that actually.
Correct. He did say that part of the reason he didn't answer my question about the dispatch, is because he asked me a question sometime in the past and I missed it. This of course happens all the time in RMB as many messages get easily lost. I myself, and I imagine most people here, sometimes ask questions that get lost. It's not an issue, we just ask again and make sure the matter is brought attention to. It's a simple concept.
I have informed Bar that if such occurrence had happened, I am sorry for missing it and he should ask the question again and I will do my best to answer it, instead of holding an unnecessary grudge against me. He never responded to that with whatever his supposed question was.
So what was the question he asked? When did he ask it? Are there any links to it? Why did he not make his question known to me again after I told him I will gladly answer it? Does his supposed question even exist? These as well remain complete mysteries that Bar refused to share.
It seems to me that the simplest and best solution to problem if his issue was an unanswered question, is to just ask again and get it over with. Bar however was adamant on being uncooperative to the extremes. Why? That too is a mystery.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] found this https://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=the_mystical_council?postid=22091450#p22091450
[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] barish requests that it be discussed on discord
Yeah that's exactly the one I remember. He made a unfounded claim about me being "condescending and uncooperative" and not answering people's question, after I had accused him of such when I asked him about the dispatch. I offered to answer the question multiple times should he ask it of me again, he refused.
So what the question itself is, if it's real, remains an absolute mystery.
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[nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation], you cannot threaten civil people having a discussion with ejection. This is undemocratic to the extreme. Please do not make such claims.
Emperor [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and Prime Minister [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] please inform our delegate of this fact. I have informed our delegate that of course if there is a uncivil conversation, then he is absolutely within his right to stop it, but civil conversation should not be beaten out like this.
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
I can do telegrams, it just needs to be within NS... should in the very unlikely event that mods have to review anything.
We didnt make this in the first place. They did.
how come it should stay within ns?
i feel the convo would probably be useful to the judiciary too so they should be able to see it
So yeah if you want that create a conversation with everyone involved and TG me.
Post by Civilisunio suppressed by Alistia.
I don't care. Listen, I am fed up with this fight. Talk on the discord or face ejection. I don't mean to be mean, but you have pushed me too far.
Why can't the judiciary see it if it's a group TG?
why? ns tgs are very inefficient and slow
You do not care that you have to be a democratic delegate?
Civilisunio
Hmmm, alright, I will concede to you.
Alistia
I am democratic. I think your confused. Just because someone breaks the law and the United States arrests them that's not democratic?
link to join is in factbook
Mmmm, we have absolutely no law here against civil conversation. What we do have laws for however is protecting civil speech as outlined by The Basic Rights of Nations. So I'm afraid it's the other way around, but alright, I'm on chat now.
-His Holiness The God Lord Mugwop (And yes this is the longest name Discord allows)
Alistia, Malcholm
Democratic? You have issued a public threat to anyone who should speak about the case.... will I want to speak about the case and I plan to do it here frankly to defy your decree! Now both participants are guilty of continuing a pointless argument on and it should never have gotten this fair. But from wgat i have read on discord [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] seemed to make reference to a wrong doing carried out by [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] and rather when asked provide evidence of what it was he was petty and refused. If he had been up front at the start the problem would have been sorted days / weeks ago. Instead look where we are! We have two individuals arguing so to speak about something petty. Then we have you being a dictator and treating to eject people from the region.
As Delegate you should not be threatening people with ejection but should be getting the LC to speed up the process somewhat, so perhaps you should belt up a little and get on with doing your job.
Alistia, Malcholm, Viva Italia
Hey as far as I remembered the threat of Ejection was made a long time ago and not by me or Civ. So you pinning that on him is bogus and frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about.
[nation=short]oakplumington[/nation] [nation=short]forestavia[/nation]
you should add more info on #39.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=686766
this one is so good: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=373754
it tells a pretty good story
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Civ,I don't think threating ejection is a good idea.We are a free and democratic place.
Alistia, Civilisunio
Its not undemocratic. Why would I listen to someone such as yourself? You didn't belive me in my time of need.
Really? Did you not get the same region wide telegram as the rest of us? As that quite clearly says that anyone who talks about the case will be ejected from the region, and it was from Civ, which is what I'm going by
Alistia
Does this mean that if I try to report the news I will be ejected?
Alistia
Parakka, when this whole thing happened I believe it was Oak that originally said that anyone would get ejected if it kept happening.
Alistia
It was me that asked you to give your side of the story.
Alistia
He's talking about the mass TG civ just sent, but that's alright now. You guys want to talk on Dis, let's finish on there now.
Alistia, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Defending, defending, homework, and defending.
Alistia, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland
All in a days work eh?
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Viva Italia
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Forestavia, Alistia, Parakka Northland
Come back to Dis and finish our talk. After that tell me about the incest girl.
Alistia, Malcholm
You still cant just threaten to eject people as you dont have the authority to do so, in accordance with the regional laws! Also because your delegate so you should listen to the people or you wont be delegate for long
New Bacon
Easy there now.
I am sure that Civ was just in a moment of rage... and by now he retracts the statements he is made and everything is fine now, right [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation]?
I am still waiting on [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] on Discord however. I mean that's where he wanted me to be after all. Not only he needs to finish our discussion, he must explain to me who the incest girl is, and how does she factor into the political climate of "Planet of the Harambes"
Malcholm
When that retraction is sent via regional telegram ill be happy
Alistia
That is a fair course of action in which Civ can promise that he didn't mean what he said, and that our new delegate would never actually just eject citizens of the region for talking about a subject he doesn't like, and that he just momentarily lost control of what he was saying... as we all do from time to time. I hope you find this a fair thing to say [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation].
New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Ohh no he can't eject nobody illegally. And Civ has to have a bunch of influence to eject many people. If no one has did anything wrong they have de jure rights in this region to reside.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
AND TAKE IT EASY! Civ won't do anything.
Parakka Northland
[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] don't play with us!
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
You guys don't know what your talking about. If I wanted to eject anyone it would have been done already I would have ejected [nation=short]new Bacon[/nation] [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] and [nation=short]mugwop[/nation], but I didn't. I could have also shut down the region. I have enough influence.
But I didn't. It's called being scared straight to get you in line. I threatened ejection, so you would be scared and stop. But I mean business no talking about the case on the rmb. Capiche?
Yes my friend that is why it is actually best to not say things that you don't wholeheartedly believe. Besides I am sure if you think about it, you would agree that we should never foster an atmosphere of fearing each other in our region.
Malcholm
I'm not scared so nice try. Also if I wish to discuss it I will, weather or not you approve. So about the case, how's it progressing on Discord? My phone is on charge so I'm using the iPad
Malcholm
Not sure he cares if he is likes, respected or feared so long as he's delegate, or at least that's what his comments suggest anyway
Well we're at least communicating, but Bar is away now so I guess we will resume when he returns.
Parakka Northland
I think when we communicate about the case, we should give it a code name like I don't know Ejectoseat or something so [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] doesn't get mad and eject us all lol ok I'm being a little sarcastic with that
Parakkaaaaaaaaaaaa, you are not helping, but Ejectoseat is funny.
Parakka Northland
*Puts region on chillax sedative drip IV*
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] are you planning to unsupress my post? Or is this anouther anouther act of you being democratic?
Alistia
88 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Civilisunio unsuppressed a post on the Regional Message Board.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Ah, the dawn of a new day.
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
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