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Region: The Mystical Council
31 minutes ago: Oakplumington granted Appearance authority to Flood of Sunshine as The Bright One! in The Mystical Council.
It would appear that our region's future is bright! (Couldn't resist!)
I want to make it clear to the world where TMC really stands. We are at peace with everyone except for what is on this list. I hope that clears up any questions.
By the way, if you're keeping embassies with Kreich, Gay won't consider an embassy with us.
Malcholm
Did you run this pass the legislators? Maybe the Lunar Council might not want to enemies with them? Just saying
Oakplumington
Well.... they can have embassy relations with whatever regions they want, as long as it's consensual and as long as it stays in the bedroom. You know what I think though? KAISERREICH must be their secret crush and I bet their jealous of our relationship with them. Or maybe [I]we're[/I] the secret crush and their jealous of us. I don't know, but no matter how you shake it, it seems that we are part of a love triangle.
Great question. I didn't have to. They are already enemies. Based on previous regional history and based on the fact that the Lunar Council has passed no treaty specifically stating that The Red Fleet and the Internationale are at peace with TMC, I just went ahead and created a list. The likelihood that these particular regions would sign such a treaty with us is slim to none. I'd say that they would nonchalantly shrug us off as a nuisance at best and as a thorn in their side at worst so a peace treaty is not completely out of the question. But the Lunar Council has to do the legwork on this. To take them off the list we need a treaty. In order to get such a treaty they're going to tell us to close embassies with certain regions, which is a non-negotiable. We're not the soft squishy pushover region we used to be. We're going to stand our ground. Regional Sovereignty Baby!
Mmmmmm..
It was fun three years ago when this region started. A lot of us were just here to have fun pulling coups against each other and propose silly legislation. We took a hard step away from that mentality a whole year and a half ago. The thing with what your saying is that those regions will not have positive relations with us if we try to be friends with everyone.
That's your individual view on the situation though. That's more national sovereignty than regional.
The situation between KAISERREICH, Bunicken, The Iron Order, The Red Fleet, The Internationale, MT Army etc. is entirely political. None of them like each other because they're all so hawkish on their view of what acceptable ideology constitutes. It's base-level ideological incompatibilities, not some mushy, kid-friendly love triangle where Misely calls Cresenthia "Baka!" and slaps him for being lewd. They genuinely do not like each other, and will not even consider relations with us if we're so flippant about our own views.
This is gonna be controversial, but here's something I just proposed on our Discord: it's time to do away with our flippant endorsement policy. I want to institute real Delegate elections (or a real meritocracy, if that's how we go), endorsement caps, etc. I don't believe that attempting to establish a government on our current endorsement policy is ever going to work. If we're going to shake it up and re-establish ourselves, we need to go all the way with it. What I'm proposing is we hold Delegate elections and enforce a stricter endorsement policy wherein all WA nations must be endorsing the Delegate, and maybe his Secretary Del. if they're in the WA.
This is totally open for discussion, change, and accusations of overreach. Tell me why I'm wrong.
Exotic Lemon
I think maybe the delegate needs a reduction in power or something. We have had 3 emperors in like 2 weeks
Malcholm
Just the opposite; we need a strong, powerful, established delegate to lead our region. As a region, we've never been willing to make that commitment because we believe people should be able to do what they want with what they have whenever they want--and we're not wrong in that sense. The thing is, we've also never had the security and stability every other region has due to this ideology. When was the last time any of us in this region were able to kick back and say we've accomplished all we've set out to do? The delegate has, at least in my personal opinion, always been the weakest position in our government. As a region, we've always been at odds with each other due to our own weak, complacent leadership. We need to mix it up.
Oakplumington
Ya boi just reached 5 billion citizens
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon
ayyyy nice, almost 7.5 bil here and almost 8 on my main ;)
Oakplumington, Terran Flux
When we had 12 WA nation's we were pretty secure though. The problem with all this is that it's going to come down to a popularity contest and if the delegate does something that others don't like they will switch their endorsements and the entire system will be for nothing.
Unrelated to you yourself per say. But I thought the majority had given up on the region as a general rule of thumb.
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Sure. That's why I'm suggesting we also institute an enforceable endorsement cap. The responsibility to enforce it then befalls the delegate and all others with border control.
We got the executive delegacy back sooner than expected. Things are going our way(?), and Oak seems relatively content with going with the flow.
Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
It is possible to have a strong delegate and have a free endorsement policy. I do not like endorsement caps. I created this region to escape the hypocrisy of "Our region is free and democratic and oh by the way, you are required to endorse the delegate or else you'll be silently shunned by the community."
The people have the right to decide whether to have a WA here in the region or not.
The people have the right to decide who to endorse at any given moment.
And the people collectively have the right to decide who represents them in the capacity of the delegate position.
If they are unhappy with the leadership all they have to do is change their endorsements and boom! New executive leadership!
The endorsement is the ultimate weapon in this game. The endorsement is power. To take away the people's ability to revolt against their own government would be suicide for our small region. I point no further than to my own recent revocation of the delegate's executive power. The region was dead. And now that the delegacy has the power that it was meant to have, it's coming back to life. It's because of the freedom. When the people have the right to endorse who they want they feel empowered. When the delegate position is left executive, then the people have a voice in government. When both are present at the same time, then you have fertile ground for a truly free, democratic region.
Our previous system was somewhat unstable. This is why, under the default government that I have set up, the Lunar Council members serve a permanent position once elected. The only reason they will not serve on the Lunar Council is if they resign, or if they are impeached by me for being inactive or some other judicial reason, or if they are impeached by the Delegate plus two members of the Lunar Council for a similar or possibly political reason.
The Emperor/Delegate is already a powerful position in the sense that they can sign, veto, represent us in the WA, and have access to executive abilities. The only reason why it changes so much is because we don't have the WA membership in this region that we used to have. But that will come back up in time.
I am pulling the founder card here. This is the government that we will operate under (if we are to operate under one at all):
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=683532
If you wish to change it then you must go through the amendment process contained therein. It will require work, dedication, and yes, moving some WA's here for a period of time. But it is possible to amend my constitution in such a way that you could render any part of or even the entire document null and void.
I'm going to tweak a few things in this document over the next few weeks to reflect the changes we made (such as the veto override process).
I'd also like to remind everyone that we repealed everything except for the Embassy Protection Act and the Regional Anthem. The purge was only completed about two weeks or so ago. So, my suggestion is to try my system out for a little while before condemning it to yet another failed attempt to govern the region. I relinquished control in the summer of 2016 thinking that maybe the region could come up with a better system then me (remember Sentagon?). But it is now 2018 and we still don't have a satisfactory system. So I'm back.
I'm going to lay all my cards on the table.
If the region successfully passes an amendment that would render this entire default government constitution null and void, then you can have any government you want and I will let Oak cease to exist.
If the region implements a password, then I will return and revoke it. (I can't figure out if I hate passwords or endorsement caps more.)
If the region decides to give up on TMC, then I will continue to run this region under the current default system.
If the region decides to cooperate and discovers (to everyone's astonishment including mine) that the system actually works, then we will all live happily ever after.
If the region decides to cooperate and discovers (we all know it's coming) that once again we have a system that doesn't work, then we will use the amendment process to fix it one problem at a time. The default system will change and evolve as needed.
^^^
For every situation there is an action to take and for every action there is a consequence.
There is one liberty that I'm taking. Because this constitution is new, I am going to give myself the freedom to revise and change the constitution at will until the last day of April. That is the date that the state of emergency was supposed to end.
I'm willing to go with the flow, and I'm happy to see the shenanigans returning to our region. But I will stand against any attempt to destroy the rights that our region has come to stand for. We have to be a beacon of light to the rest of the world. We have to show them that we are not afraid.
Passwords and endorsement caps do nothing but tell the world that we are fearful, insecure, and weak. TMC is not any of these things. We are strong and mighty!
*Holds celery stalk in clenched fist*
We should tell the world that strength only comes through vegetables! ;)
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Just posting this let you know I read through most of it, I'll have a detailed response for you when I get off work.
Oakplumington, Terran Flux
Looking forward to it. Oak vs. Mal
Malcholm
Read All About It! This week:
- We're now listing The Rejected Times
- We've a fresh Union Times
- The new Virtuous Times
- A bad day at the Euro Gazette
Elsewhere:
- Sharpen your pen for the Interregional Writing Contest
- And play ♠♥Sands Hold'em ♦♣ at The Sands
GuEsS wHoS bAcK!!!!
Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Welcome back Big Daddy. You came back at an interesting time. This week we were raided by the Holy Knights. Malcholm and I are involved in the complicated dance of politics.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Well isn't that the darndest thing I've had the displeasure of hearing!
Terran, get the nuke codes!
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
Interesting. Founders are not as all-powerful as once thought!
When you are a founder of one region and that same nation is also a non-executive founder of another, and you request embassies with the non-founder region from the executive founder region, you get a message like this:
"You are not authorized to handle matters relating to Embassies in Warzone Tmc."
Technicalities. But I am authorized to handle matters relating to Embassies in the original TMC. So...
One of you try it. See if it works for you guys. I'm curious.
I'm going to try moving my location to see if that makes a difference.
(Nah, that didn't work)
I'm gonna go visit some peeps.
Malcholm
I requested embassies mighty Oaky Oak!
Terran Flux
Oh about that, I kinda replaced the big red button with a dance dance revolution thingy so you have to dance to rick astley before any nukes can be launched
zzzzzzzzzzzzz what a lively bunch
Terran Flux
Post by Gotesbourg suppressed by Parakka Northland.
It's great to be back
Something looks different. Hm.
*ponders*
Oh, look! We got an embassy request!
Post self-deleted by Gotesbourg.
Oakplumington please return border control to the Lunar Council. Some of us would like to clear out the trash that is Gotesbourg and his ilk
Oak you are quite irritating right now.
Parakka Northland
Post self-deleted by Gotesbourg.
Post by Gotesbourg suppressed by Parakka Northland.
I accidentally deleted my previous message, but I would like to reiterate my thanks to Oakplumington, and extend an offer of citizenship before we confer orders and decorations on him
They just want to be our friends!
Orders and decorations? Is it Christmas already?
I swear Oak if you do not fix this and dismiss that guy I will leave the region
Parakka Northland
Don't worry. I got this. I got this.
In fact Oak restore the Council back to the natives who you put there in the first place.
Oakplumington
done.
Thank you
Hey, Mr. Secretary Delegate, I'd like to have a word with Gotesbourg. That's why I'm removing Gotesbourg from the ban list for now.
@Gotesbourg, I await your arrival. We need to discuss matters.
The way I see things, some of the people you're working with now haven't been good to you. They tried to refound your region, many of them have left, and a few of those that remain are bolshy and entitled.
We'd like you to join our fraternity of regions, like the Union Of Royalists, and enjoy self-government with our stewardship and support. How about that?
I'm sure those who are sceptical will come round
Oakplumington
Fraternity of regions? Sounds interesting. But the government would have to vote on it.
You can be sure of that! ;)
Our region's middle name is skepticism.
Of course
You do remember he and his puppets tried to coup the region last year right?
Alistia, Oakplumington
This could be a very easy and simple solution to the dilemma we've been having for awhile. We've never been a colony of an empire before. What would happen if we would join? Would we still have autonomy? Could we participate in military mission for the Empire? Do you guys RP?
Gotesbourg
The lc won't agree to this
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I actually don't remember that at all. Who is Gotesbourg? That name IS familiar now that I think about it.
Forest please you some sense here, none of this is about helping us but them
I'd like to hear from them directly on that. Anything is possible these days.
He and some guys from his region tried to raid us after he closed our embassy and we closed it on our side right after.
Me and some others found them out as they were obvious, and banned em.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Forest no we won’t agree I’m willing to bet
Oakplumington
Poll the lc!
Also when is next lc election? Also heads up I am running
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Gotesbourg,
I'm not convinced you have our region's best interests at heart. I'll give you immunity from banishment for another six hours. But after that, the officers may do what they please to you.
The delegate wants the LC to push an emergency resolution to ban Morrania and Gotesbourg from the region. TMC is a colony of TGHI, not whatever backwards region you guys are from :^)
Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Agreed.
I know I am not lc anymore, but I was a government member once so I hope the lc will agree to not become a colony of anyone other than tghi
Malcholm, Terran Flux
That's two nays. I'm assuming Alistia is a nay as well. Plus Terran that makes three. Three no go's out of five. Well, I figured I'd hear what he had to say, anyway.
Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
You would have self-government, and you could also join the Imperial Forces in expeditions. We have a WWI RP running right now
Can confirm they've "No"'d on Discord, they can post here too if you need them to.
Terran Flux
Did you count mal? All we need is ely I think
Edit: And gyuamno
Malcholm, Terran Flux
While your offer is kind, we are already a colony
Civilisunioan Colonys
We are! Woah.
Oakplumington
That would be preferable. Otherwise I won't really know where they stand. I'm just making an educated guess on Alistia and Terran.
Malcholm
U guessed right
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Welcome back, Civ.
Civilisunioan Colonys
Not sure I agree with us being a colony of anyone but I suppose TGHI is better than some backwater region.
Alistia, Oakplumington
Technically we are under the greater holy islands (mal's region) but he lets us keep our independence in everything but name
Alistia, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Civilisunioan Colonys
If it was pretty much anyone other than mal I would have a problem too.
Edit: Well anyone from tmc really. Yall tmc peeps pretty cool
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Just Call me Zuth. Civ is dying in Customs Of Agora, So it doesn't really make sense to use him. Zuthra is much better off.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
We're only a colony in name 😛 mostly just to celebrate the return of executive powers to the delegate.
Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
Alistia,
Give the old chap five hours at least. Man, I gave this guy temporary immunity.
What has he done to deserve it? We've already rejected the notion of becoming a colony of any foreign entity outright. We don't need to keep him here any more than he needs to be here.
I think we should hear out Gotesburg, he is a great leader!
Oakplumington
Because I promised him temporary immunity. In my eyes, the guy doesn't deserve to be banned at all. So I granted six hours of immunity so that he would have a fair amount of time to argue his case. You don't have to agree with him and you can still ban him. But no ban until 10pm EST.
Gyuamno
You crack me up! I'm glad someone else here is thinking the same way I am.
Gyuamno
While we are here bickering amongst ourselves Gotesbourg and Co. are making real progress, real improvement! What do we have to show? Nothing!
Oaky Oak has tried his best but you lumps are always against him! Maybe Gotesbourg can sort this mess out!
Oakplumington
👎🏼
Alistia, Oakplumington
Just Fyi - You don't need a poll. Just 3 votes from the Lunar Council and a signature from the Delegate.
Walk in a mile in our shoes, you'll understand why we opt to play the game.
Oh, I'm just making sure our displeasure is as public as possible :)
Alistia, Terran Flux
That's no way to speak to your leader
Malcholm, Oakplumington
But-but, I was looking forward to orders and decorations..
Gyuamno, Malcholm
*nods with approval*
That's right! I deserve respect! Yeah.
Alistia, Gotesbourg
He's already established himself as more of our region-mate than leader, so I'm not sure where you're coming from. He just happens to be the guys with the controls.
Alistia, Oakplumington, Terran Flux
Perhaps things should change
Alistia, Oakplumington
I have 'em? Controls? What are those thingys?
Malcholm
Oakplumington is the rightful king of the Mystical Council
God save the king!
Oakplumington
Perhaps they shouldn't. This is coming right after Oak chastised me for objecting to a fundamental policy our region has operated on for three years. What's your place here?
Alistia, Oakplumington
Believe me. They know that, too. At least they did until I handed executive powers back to the delegate. Hehehe. Now I'm not so sure who's in charge anymore!
Alistia, Malcholm
Me 😉
Oakplumington
You can't obscure the truth
Oakplumington
But I just did 🤔
God save the King
Oh my! O_O
Malcholm
Gotesbourg you can stop spamming the RMB now, your rhetoric has gotten old.
Post by Gotesbourg suppressed by Terran Flux.
King Oakplumington I of the Mystical Council, let's end this spectacle and form a new government
But what really is the truth? This thing we call truth.....
Oh no! Not a another government! I want stability for a little while.
Alistia, Malcholm
That's grand 😂 stability in TMC?
Alistia
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