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Region: The Mystical Council
I might not be able to attend at noon, not sure yet
Civilisunio
ĦIN GENERAL!
[spoiler=;)]Had to put an emphasis on that.[/spoiler]
Civilisunio
Haha when I can fit it in, I also get up for work at 4:40am 5 days a week and go to sleep about 10 so yeah sleep is a luxury
Haha well ok a summary might be helpful
Only quoted you as your the first comment that's available for me to see on here at present. I'll probably have to just jump into the meeting at some random point. As tbh I have no idea what time noon central here in the UK would be haha
Civilisunio
I really don't want this region to end up like Old Westphalia, but if we must abandon, then I won't argue.
I think Its around 4-5 Your time.
Am or pm? I'm imagining am.
Civilisunio
Looks like it would be about 6 pm by this:
http://everytimezone.com/#2016-9-17,300,cn3
Parakka Northland
This was a very interesting video.
Civilisunio
Actually your 7 hours so 7;00 pm
Parakka Northland
suits me i can attend the meeting
New Bacon
Parakka Northland you're on the Universal Coordinated time right?
Nope we are on British Summer Time and then i think sometime next month go back to Greenwich Mean Time :)
New Bacon
Like the new flag? im trying to have all my nations have similar therms
Forestavia
I protest the embassy with bunicken. Exotic held a poll for it in a foreign region and did not send a regional to for it, therefore most people, including me, didn't vote. I ask that [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] make a royal decree suspending the embassy
They have the same type of government as us, also there was a poll running here at the time so we had to use another controlled region
I'm in an awkward position right about now.
you promised 48 hours so i would stick to the promise. We can cancel or undo the embassy later.
What region was it that the poll was head in? unless its our last back up region namely Mystical Council then it probably cant be counted as an official poll
Republic Of Greater Cuba
That sounds like a good plan. Perhaps we can "extend voting" on the Bunicken embassy issue.
[nation=short]Illfated[/nation],
If you could, please telegram your vote against the Bunicken embassy to Plugo, Exotic Lemon, and I. I'll talk with them about accepting late votes because you raise a good point about not receiving a region-wide telegram on the issue.
Parakka Northland
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=68120
Does anyone know if we have sorted something with them on paper? and we voted to accept whats been decided on paper?
thanks
Republic Of Greater Cuba
I wrote please vote for 3 days on the wfe and posted on the rmb about it. If you want we can suspend it but if people would read the wfe my job will be so much easier. But I should have sent a region wide. People please read the wfe though.
Forestavia
was something ever agreed on paper before you accepted the embassy request?
No because it had one more for yes than only conditionally.
then if you add the no votes and the ones that "yes,but only if we come to an agreement on "paper" regarding rules" together that makes more than the yes votes. As technically they said no unless you got something on paper
Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Northwest Germania
Fine do what you want. Issue another riyal decree for all I care
Republic Of Greater Cuba
There is a possible truce in play. I'm not issuing any decrees for the next 48 hours.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
2 days? That's nothing, either don't use them at all or use them whenever.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
dude im not the founder here just the Temporary Secretary Delegate, thus im making sure that our delegate sticks to the rules of the vote. If someone says but only if, that means if that condition isn't met then they have or would have voted no. As you failed to get something on paper which i presume you were going to given you made that as an answer on the poll, that means you didn't meet the condition as such the nos have it. You could always redo the poll and have a simple yes / no answer. That would suffice i should think
Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba
Are you interested in trying to negotiate future affairs, though? I think a truce between the Monarch and your side would be good for our region. Our people crave stability.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Just because I used a different region to the poll doesn't mean it is invalid. This is why people are leaving. We can't solve any problems
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Maybe. This region is losing my faith fast though. I don't know if we can salvage it
Viva Italia
WHAT THE HELL! YOU GUYS CRITISCISE EMBASSIES BECAUSE OF DICTATORSHIP BUT YET YOU WON'T ACT ON A POLL THAT WE SET UP TO DECUDE!
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
Try doing the poll again, and make it a simple yes / no / abstain and see what happens. But dont go putting an answer that says "yes but only if" because otherwise people who selected that option are basically saying no unless you do something first.
Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba
So should we have an embassy or not?
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Okay.I have an idea.It may seem insane to you but hear me out...
Let's listen to our citizens! Or is that beyond our capabilities as well?
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
YES!
Exotic Lemon
Do you support lemons side or forests
You because you are trying tp get things done.
Exotic Lemon
it would help if you and your followers werent going on about leaving every 5 minutes. Doesnt exactly create the right impression now does it
I had supported the embassy earlier but changed my mind as I saw more evidence. I will now need evidence that things have changed to support it. However, I will not oppose it if the people support it. To me this is a secondary issue.
Thank you. I want democracy back again but my initial hope of the government being fixed by 9/18/16 is not going to happen
Yes I think you are correct....
What the revolutionaries and counter revolutionaries need to do is just sit down and talk to each other about basic things like what a poll should look like, who should be the one to telegram the region about polls in other locations, etc.
"Followers"? I don't control anyone. People are free to do what they want. But I promised democracy back by the 18th and we haven't even started elections.
I have never said anything about leaving but what a small amount of people have managed to do has made VERY interested in leaving
Forest, parakka you guys are so opposed to compromise. I admit I should compromise more, but we don't need to sit and delay some more
Viva Italia
We just need basic standards so that our wires aren't getting crossed all the time.
Parakka Northland
You need a better diplomat than me. I am known to have a short temper
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Same
I can be diplomatic if they are also willing to be dilpomatic
Forestavia
You are much more patient than me. I would like you to represent me, I doubt I will be on for the meeting tonight
Republic Of Greater Cuba
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] I have selected a diplomat. I would like you to send one sympathetic to your cause. They should be patient and intelligent
Out of curiosity what exactly do you want? Because every day you say you want democracy back yet you started this process on the wrong foot, by removing the lunar council undemocratically. Then a fraud act was brought in, again undemocratically. Finally we get a democratic option which was voting for a new government frame work. Which you and Plugo (to my understanding) decided to change the names, and powers of various offices and basically say heres your new government (thus this became undemocractic).
Since then [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] has issued 4 decrees, which are the following:-
- Polls should last for 3 days minimum
- The Fraud act your side brought it would be staying
- WA votes count as two under the old system
- A Vote on which government type to use, the one we all voted for or the one you and Plugo edited.
Yet according to you and your side these decrees are unacceptable, but when asked which ones in particular, i have yet to get a response. I presume your happy with the 2nd one at the very least?
Anyway back to my point i was making before going off a tangent, every day you say you want democracy, yet at the same time you keep saying, im leaving soon, because your not happy here. So again what is it you want, do you want to be here and sort things out or do you want to leave?
Also The Battle Guard RMB is an interesting read, if i didnt know any better i think we got raided by our own army...
Republic Of Greater Cuba
ill compromise when i see the same thing happening on the other side of the table. So far im seeing you do this or ill leave, what impression should someone take from that? Some of your comrades have already left because they felt they werent getting their own way
GMT is the Coordinated Universal time! So you all are an hour ahead of the Coordinated Universal Time in other words. Great Britain is on the Prime(Greenwich) Meridian in which the Coordinated Universal time is located. Our time zones are an offset to GMT time because GMT is UTC-0. ;)
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Sure blame me for everything. Fine its all my fault. Is that what you want me to say?
I know but to me it will always be GMT :)
New Bacon
No they left because they felt the region was undemocratic. Why you call me their comrades? They were yours too. I didn't tell them to leave, they left on their own accord
New Bacon, Viva Italia
I understand Parakka. And to me it will always be the Coordinated Universal Time(UTC) even though it is also Greenwich Mean Time(GMT). :)
Parakka Northland
Not really because blaming you or someone else solely for this mess doesn't solve it and just makes things worse. As it backs people into corners that they cant get out off without losing face. At which point they either stick to their guns or back down. Neither option is ideal and sure as hell doesn't do anything to build trust and ensure people will compromise. My point still stands are you staying or going? because there is little point in negating with someone who isnt going to be here possibly by the end of the week
I will be representing myself.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Shall we begin the meeting?
Then I will represent myself, bringing viva as a backup. I assume you will bring parakka
Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Yes.
Sure. Parakka can come as back-up for me.
Parakka Northland
you didnt like followers so i thought comrades might be more apt, given you were all revolutionaries together?
I am remaining for at least a while, but if we can't fix at least some of these problems I will leave
Parakka Northland
Okay.I believe we must discuss the Bunucken poll
Forestavia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
then i hope you have a specific list of them to speed the process up somewhat
The revolution overthrew me (kinda, they demanded my temporary resignation) so i wouldn't count myself as a member. The revolution left so apparently I am starting a second one
I believe so. Should we agree to three options from now on to prevent future confusion? Yes, No, Abstain for all polls of this type?
Parakka Northland
I had a list. But I deleted it when no one cared. I will have to rewrite it
Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Yes for future but people voted yes and they voice hasn't been heard.We should open embassies
Exotic Lemon
Well let's first agree to look at the poll. We should examine it carefully, right?
Parakka Northland
Yes naturally
Parakka Northland
people voted yes and people voted no. But what about the people who voted yes but only if something was put on paper?
They didn't get enough votes.In a democratic scociety it's majority rules
Very well.
Let's see....
Yes: Forestavia, Brol, Republic of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon, and VIVA ITALIA.
No: Plugo, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, and New Mesopa.
yes,but only if we come to an agreement on "paper" regarding rules: Jeistic and Mugwop.
I don't care: Dosh Semiw.
Who is Brol? Does this vote count?
Brol and new whoever do not count same with jiestic
Forestavia
in a democratic society the leader who created the poll would not have put up a question with an answer as confusing as was put as such there answers would count as a no by default and yes once the condition was met
Parakka I am about to snap. Blame it on me one more time I dare you.
It not confusing.
No neither does Jeistic and New Mesopa
I agree.
So we have:
Yes - 3
No - 3
Yes, if there is an agreement on paper - 1
Don't Care - 1
Would you agree?
Calm.remember the telegram I sent
Exotic Lemon
i dont do well with challanges like that... you sure you would like me to call your bluff?
No.
yes 4
No 3
Agreement on paper 1
Abstain 1
Fine.
Parakka...Do not continue with this nonsense
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
Post self-deleted by Exotic Lemon.
I understand your anger but we can't give them ammunition
I disagree. Your vote doesn't count, Viva.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683084
Parakka Northland
Seriously? Why?
Is it Naumadal's Fraud Act?
Parakka Northland
Why do I not count?
I really don't know. It's not my dispatch.
Parakka Northland
i would advice lemon the same, and for the record as i saw lemons post before he deleted it. I will say for the 6th time that i do not want him gone simply to get the delegate position!
I am leaving the meeting. I cannot stand it anymore
Let's take a recess for now then. We have to get to the bottom of Viva's vote anyhow.
Civilisunio
If you stop the meeting you stop any chance of fixing tmc. Just continue without me
Just stop blaming him.
So I have no rights because someone said so.And you guys don't understand why people are leaving....
Exotic Lemon
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