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Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:The issue is we want a break from you and you don't want us to exercise our right to do so.

On that thought, I have been trying to come up with a compromise that allows officers to take vacations without imperiling the region. Would anyone be interested in supporting something like this?

[spoiler]6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates. However:

a. The Sentagon shall retain the right to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to impeach any other officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if that officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct the responsibilities of office in a timely manner.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other votes.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.[/spoiler]

Forestavia, Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:Ok, this is getting intense now. Take small step back everyone. I'll go ahead and make the impeachment poll in Mystical Council. It will be for Plugo. I am asking members of Sentagon to return to the region since you must be in the main region to have your vote count.

Lunar Council Members are not permitted to vote as a specified in section 17.

This should settle the argument. The poll will go for three days.

I thought it was up to rondaland and me? In this case I abstain from the poll in [region=Mystical Council] and I will not vote on the poll because it was put up illegally.

Forestavia

The poll is up. Please vote if you are a member of Sentagon. Due to new rules under Amendment 5, you have to be in this region in order for your vote to count. Our Polls are tied up in Sentagon and our main region. This will hopefully settle the issue.

I have voted against the impeachment of Plugo.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:On that thought, I have been trying to come up with a compromise that allows officers to take vacations without imperiling the region. Would anyone be interested in supporting something like this?

[spoiler]6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates. However:

a. The Sentagon shall retain the right to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to impeach any other officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if that officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct the responsibilities of office in a timely manner.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other votes.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.[/spoiler]

a. The Sentagon shall retain the right to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

So to impeach someone all that is needed is the delegate and 1 sentagon member? That doesn't sound good...

Forestavia wrote:The poll is up. Please vote if you are a member of Sentagon. Due to new rules under Amendment 5, you have to be in this region in order for your vote to count. Our Polls are tied up in Sentagon and our main region. This will hopefully settle the issue.

I have voted against the impeachment of Plugo.

No one has requested a poll though...

Regional officers in trouble I'm having a meeting immediately by telegram with the founder also.

Forestavia

New Bacon wrote:I thought it was up to rondaland and me? In this case I abstain from the poll in [region=Mystical Council] and I will not vote on the poll because it was put up illegally.

illegally indeed

Forestavia, New Bacon

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:On that thought, I have been trying to come up with a compromise that allows officers to take vacations without imperiling the region. Would anyone be interested in supporting something like this?

[spoiler]6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates. However:

a. The Sentagon shall retain the right to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to impeach any other officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if that officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct the responsibilities of office in a timely manner.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other votes.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.[/spoiler]

Yeah but this doesn't cover the issue at hand, which is a matter of image. It doesn't look good when someone from our region clicks on the nations of one of our officers and see that they have abandoned their region to spend time elsewhere.

The puppet solution is really very simple, if The Mystical Council means so much to someone, that they have chosen to go through the effort of campaigning for office here, they can't just create one nation for the sake of our region? Seems like lack of care towards the region.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:On that thought, I have been trying to come up with a compromise that allows officers to take vacations without imperiling the region. Would anyone be interested in supporting something like this?

[spoiler]6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates. However:

a. The Sentagon shall retain the right to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to impeach any other officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if that officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct the responsibilities of office in a timely manner.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other votes.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.[/spoiler]

I like this.

New Bacon wrote:I thought it was up to rondaland and me? In this case I abstain from the poll in [region=Mystical Council] and I will not vote on the poll because it was put up illegally.

Right you are, it's an illegal poll. Alright then. I'll delete it.

*founder slinks back into a corner and watches the chaos.*

New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Yeah but this doesn't cover the issue at hand, which is a matter of image. It doesn't look good when someone from our region clicks on the nations of one of our officers and see that they have abandoned their region to spend time elsewhere.

The puppet solution is really very simple, if The Mystical Council means so much to someone, that they have chosen to go through the effort of campaigning for office here, they can't just create one nation for the sake of our region? Seems like lack of care towards the region.

There is no need to have a puppet.

I honestly could care less weather you like if we are in the region or not.

We can still do all of our duties the same, you have no argument.

You have repeated the same things over and over.

What is your point?

We have proven that staying in the region is not required to do your job.

New Bacon

Arabian Reich wrote:There is no need to have a puppet.

I honestly could care less weather you like if we are in the region or not.

We can still do all of our duties the same, you have no argument.

You have repeated the same things over and over.

What is your point?

We have proven that staying in the region is not required to do your job.

And I quote myself

"[B]We are the face of the region[/B], we are the people that others in our region look towards when there is something to do, we are the leaders of this region, and when people go to our nations and see we are elsewhere, then we will be giving out a message that we don't care about the region. That's what I am trying to prevent, is that truly such a bad thing?"

New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:And I quote myself

"[B]We are the face of the region[/B], we are the people that others in our region look towards when there is something to do, we are the leaders of this region, and when people go to our nations and see we are elsewhere, then we will be giving out a message that we don't care about the region. That's what I am trying to prevent, is that truly such a bad thing?"

That is how you interpret it...

New Bacon

That's it! I'm switching to waffles.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:*founder slinks back into a corner and watches the chaos.*

Maybe I should have given myself more emergency powers......

New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland

This is what the union demands.

6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates.

However:

a. Sentagon shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with a majority sentagon approval and the approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if the officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct their duties within 5 days.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other activities.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Forestavia wrote:Maybe I should have given myself more emergency powers......

I understand that you have Permament powers but you have to let the region run on it's own. ;)

Forestavia, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Forestavia wrote:Maybe I should have given myself more emergency powers......

That would have been perhaps prudent in this situation

Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm

New Bacon wrote:I understand that you have Permament powers but you have to let the region run on it's own. ;)

True that! The region is doing a pretty good job too.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Forestavia wrote:True that! The region is doing a pretty good job too.

Arabian Reich wrote:This is what the union demands.

6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates.

However:

a. Sentagon shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with a majority sentagon approval and the approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if the officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct their duties within 5 days.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other activities.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.

Forestavia wrote:True that! The region is doing a pretty good job too.

Oak what do you think of that?

Forestavia

Rondaland wrote:Oak what do you think of that?

I like it. Is there anyone here in the region who objects to this revision of Amendment 6?

Malcholm

Arabian Reich wrote:a. Sentagon shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with a majority sentagon approval and the approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

That was what I meant to say. Sorry I confused everyone.

Arabian Reich wrote:b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if the officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct their duties within 5 days.

I'm OK with specifying 5 days, if there is concern allowing the Council to choose how long is too long gives the LC too much power.

Forestavia, Malcholm

Arabian Reich wrote:6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates.

I personally support that, you can resign and take all the vacations you wish for and tour any region you want, and you can come back here and call TMC your home.

Meanwhile, the region will elect someone else, who takes the responsibilities of their office more seriously, who does not run away and hide when confronted with different opinions, and is actually inside the region, instead of "vacationing" somewhere else, and giving a bad image in front of our region's people and everyone else.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Arabian Reich wrote:This is what the union demands.

6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates.

However:

a. Sentagon shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with a majority sentagon approval and the approval of the delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of the Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any officer, including the Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if the officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct their duties within 5 days.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other activities.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.

Rondaland wrote:Oak what do you think of that?

i think you need to define fails to conduct their duties within 5 days. Also how does that relate to this mess at the moment?

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:I personally support that, you can resign and take all the vacations you wish for and tour any region you want, and you can come back here and call TMC your home.

Meanwhile, the region will elect someone else, who takes the responsibilities of their office more seriously, who does not run away and hide when confronted with different opinions, and is actually inside the region, instead of "vacationing" somewhere else, and giving a bad image in front of our region's people and everyone else.

YOU are the only one who has said anything about a bad image so far.

"seriously, who does not run away and hide when confronted with different opinions, and is actually inside the region, instead of "vacationing" somewhere else, and giving a bad image in front of our region's people and everyone else."

If we ran away we wouldn't be communicating right now.

I do not care about opinions thats not what this is about.

We are campaigning for our rights that YOU are trying to take away.

Seriously i don't come on nationstates to argue with you my god.

Wish i would have never come on nationstates.

I hate dealing with you.

Your acting like this is a personal thing between me and you but 5 other people have joined the union and taken our side.

I'm leaving now be on later

Parakka Northland wrote:i think you need to define fails to conduct their duties within 5 days.

I was thinking the LC would have the power, as the judiciary, to decide what "fails to conduct their duties" implies. Would "constitutional duties" be sufficient?

Parakka Northland wrote:how does that relate to this mess at the moment?

Strictly speaking, it doesn't because both Lunar Council Members AND the President of the Sentagon are "on strike", so the Founder would be justified, under my proposed rule to take action if things become hopelessly stuck. But if in the future, if it was the President of the Sentagon and the Secretary Delegate, then the LC could hold them accountable.

Forestavia

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:I was thinking the LC would have the power, as the judiciary, to decide what "fails to conduct their duties" implies. Would "constitutional duties" be sufficient?

Strictly speaking, it doesn't because both Lunar Council Members AND the President of the Sentagon are "on strike", so the Founder would be justified, under my proposed rule to take action if things become hopelessly stuck. But if in the future, if it was the President of the Sentagon and the Secretary Delegate, then the LC could hold them accountable.

It's is a heated discussion with the Lunar Councilors in trouble right now. And I listening to what they have to say.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

New Bacon wrote:It's is a heated discussion with the Lunar Councilors in trouble right now. And I listening to what they have to say.

Agreed. The Sentagon can still function without its president, since, for example, the Delegate can manage the polls. The Lunar Council, on the other hand, is useless with only two members.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:I was thinking the LC would have the power, as the judiciary, to decide what "fails to conduct their duties" implies. Would "constitutional duties" be sufficient?

I'd be happy with that, i thought it should be mentioned as i could see what the next issue would be....

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:Strictly speaking, it doesn't because both Lunar Council Members AND the President of the Sentagon are "on strike", so the Founder would be justified, under my proposed rule to take action if things become hopelessly stuck. But if in the future, if it was the President of the Sentagon and the Secretary Delegate, then the LC could hold them accountable.

Fair enough.

Next on my meeting list: [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] remains on my list

[nation=short]malcholm[/nation] Secretary Delegate

[nation=short]au912 mystical council consulate[/nation] Lunar Council Pres.

[nation=short]rondaland[/nation] Sentagon president

Y'all be prepared to talk to me about this impeachment mess and y'all can let out all the energy y'all want like the last meeting.

Thank you

[nation=short]order of hospitallers[/nation]

[nation=short]plugo[/nation]

[nation=short]rrepaimziaraseh[/nation]

And [nation=short]tumetu-iin noyan[/nation] for meeting with me.

Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:Next on my meeting list: [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] remains on my list

[nation=short]malcholm[/nation] Secretary Delegate

[nation=short]au912 mystical council consulate[/nation] Lunar Council Pres.

[nation=short]rondaland[/nation] Sentagon president

Y'all be prepared to talk to me about this impeachment mess and y'all can let out all the energy y'all want like the last meeting.

Thank you

[nation=short]order of hospitallers[/nation]

[nation=short]plugo[/nation]

[nation=short]rrepaimziaraseh[/nation]

And [nation=short]tumetu-iin noyan[/nation] for meeting with me.

Let the public record, in front of the whole region, show that I am not in favor of impeachment polls of anyone, and that I have proposed a different way to tackle the issue, that I hope the other parties approve of, that makes sure this issue is tackled as what it truly is: an issue that people have the right to agree or disagree with, and not a personal problem.

Forestavia, Malcholm

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Let the public record, in front of the whole region, show that I am not in favor of impeachment polls of anyone, and that I have proposed a different way to tackle the issue, that I hope the other parties approve of, that makes sure this issue is tackled as what it truly is: an issue that people have the right to agree or disagree with, and not a personal problem.

I will post a copy of your telegram. But i need these people to talk to me.

[nation=rrepaimziaraseh] said this,

On the matter of you, Plugo, easily being pushed hard, again I say this page=rmb/postid=19953045 and say that you take things too personally. Please don't. You are not the issue to me. Know that I don't want impeachment polls. That further makes it look that the issue is personal. The issue is the issue itself; what are we gonna do? Go trying to impeach each other whenever there's a disagreement? That's not the way to go. That will destroy us whenever there's a disagreement.

You are not my enemy, and I am not your enemy, I am your fellow region mate who has a different opinion than you. That is all.

So my proposal is that if you truly care about the region, again, a simple matter of effortlessly creating a dedicated puppet for the region, that you say you care so much about, should not be an issue at all.

And again "WE HAVE STATED SO MANY TIMES ON THE RMB THAT WE ARE DOING OUR DUTIES" I know this, I swear to you I know this, but it's not just the matter of responsibilities, it is also a matter of the image you send to the rest of the region and others, when they see the people they elected aren't even home.

And if you are still adamant on puppets, I think there should be a region wide vote, here in TMC, on this issue. Not impeachment and want not. I might be wrong, maybe the majority of people here don't care if their representatives are elsewhere. I recommend that New Bacon creates such poll, and request that he puts his effort into making it unbiased.

So you don't look like you want impeachment polls, I don't want impeachment polls, but I do want to know what the region truly thinks.

So what do you think? If you still don't want puppets, can we please stop treating this issue as something personal and agree to have a poll so that all our people can democratically voice themselves? I think that's a much better way to resolve an issue than nonsensical impeachments.

Malcholm

New Bacon wrote:Next on my meeting list: [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] remains on my list

[nation=short]malcholm[/nation] Secretary Delegate

[nation=short]au912 mystical council consulate[/nation] Lunar Council Pres.

[nation=short]rondaland[/nation] Sentagon president

Y'all be prepared to talk to me about this impeachment mess and y'all can let out all the energy y'all want like the last meeting.

Thank you

[nation=short]order of hospitallers[/nation]

[nation=short]plugo[/nation]

[nation=short]rrepaimziaraseh[/nation]

And [nation=short]tumetu-iin noyan[/nation] for meeting with me.

Alright the telegrams were delivered.

Rondaland wrote:This is basicly Rrepwhatever vs The majority.

3 council members + the sentagon president agree that people should be able to work outside the region.

Certainly not, I can list a few who would like to see the regional officers stay in the region; myself included.

Rondaland wrote:TMC is our home, those officers have been out of the region for like 2 days but your having a tamper tantrum.

Speaking more in general, those officers have consistently been in and out of the region on various ops, exercises, and projects for the last couple weeks. They've done a fairly good job in maintaining their duties in our region, but it worries some of us that they might begin favoring their new region over this one. I feel that we need our elected officials to be players who are going to dedicate more of their time here and focus on our growth. Filling multiple rolls in multiple places is stressful, and it degrades the overall quality of work. There is no true "multi-tasking."

Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Western Forestavia wrote:[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], can we delete the waffle poll??? We may be having an impeachment vote soon.

Certainly! Do what you need to do.

New Bacon

Sidenote: I would like everyone to know that [nation=short]Ashah[/nation] is my nation. I will be using it for recruitment. It seems that using my main nation for recruitment, creates interruptions in the telegram sending process, and I have to keep restarting it as a result. The nation will not engage in any sort of poll voting of course, or even RMB posting.

New Bacon, Malcholm

[nation=malcholm] and [nation=rondaland] plz check your telegrams. They are important.

Malcholm

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:No one has requested a poll though...

I request it. There. Good enough? I want something to vote on since a certain President knocked down my poll over the whole issue in Sentagon.

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:[nation=malcholm] and [nation=rondaland] plz check your telegrams. They are important.

One minute! I'm still catching up.

New Bacon

Malcholm wrote:One minute! I'm still catching up.

Ok

so about the new ammendment 6..?

New Bacon

I gtg! [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] telegram me when you can. ;)

Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:Certainly not, I can list a few who would like to see the regional officers stay in the region; myself included.

Speaking more in general, those officers have consistently been in and out of the region on various ops, exercises, and projects for the last couple weeks. They've done a fairly good job in maintaining their duties in our region, but it worries some of us that they might begin favoring their new region over this one. I feel that we need our elected officials to be players who are going to dedicate more of their time here and focus on our growth. Filling multiple rolls in multiple places is stressful, and it degrades the overall quality of work. There is no true "multi-tasking."

That has only been plugo though...

Rondaland and tumetu have never left the region before this incident, and i've been idle for months.

The fact that a life time counciler with 6months in the region cant leave for 2 days is ridiculous

Malcholm

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:so about the new ammendment 6..?

As of now, the constitution as a whole is not binding until July 22, but in the matters of amendment 6, this will be voted on much sooner than the rest of the constitution, due to the issue at hand.

So I think we are going to have a region wide poll soon, and depending on what the results of the poll are, that amendment either becomes law or is changed to indicate that regional officers may come and go as they please.

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:As of now, the constitution as a whole is not binding until July 22, but in the matters of amendment 6, this will be voted on much sooner than the rest of the constitution, due to the issue at hand.

So I think we are going to have a region wide poll soon, and depending on what the results of the poll are, that amendment either becomes law or is changed to indicate that regional officers may come and go as they please.

The constitution hasn't been approved yet.

I'm asking if amendment 6 will be replaced with the proposed text.

If its not i will not vote to approve the constituion.

We are not making puppets, we will not settle.

We will only return when ammentment 6 is changed.

No point to ratify part of the constitution.

Once ammendment 6 is changed we will return so that our rights are guarenteed in writing, as of now their is nothing on the topic so we can continue on.

As of now we are not violating anything so.

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:As of now, the constitution as a whole is not binding until July 22, but in the matters of amendment 6, this will be voted on much sooner than the rest of the constitution, due to the issue at hand.

So I think we are going to have a region wide poll soon, and depending on what the results of the poll are, that amendment either becomes law or is changed to indicate that regional officers may come and go as they please.

Whoah what the muck you have over 100 puppets!...

http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_kitchen

Malcholm

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:That has only been plugo though...

Rondaland and tumetu have never left the region before this incident, and i've been idle for months.

The fact that a life time counciler with 6months in the region cant leave for 2 days is ridiculous

Good catch--Rondaland is new, I didn't mean to include them. You and Tumetu, I believe, were in and out around the time you got here. Correct me if I'm wrong! I just recall a couple times where situations similar to the current one with Chef happened in the past.

I went for ten moons without a break, up until I got voted out of office--guess I'm just special.

Even then, I don't think I've ever taken Malcholm out of the region for any reason.

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:Whoah what the muck you have over 100 puppets!...

http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_kitchen

That's insane, I only have around 26, including the ANTICOM accounts I control.

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Order Of Hospitallers, Rrepaimziaraseh & Plugo

Cant the three of you just get along lol

New Bacon, Malcholm

New Bacon wrote:I gtg! [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] telegram me when you can. ;)

Got it! Check your inbox when you come back!

New Bacon

Parakka Northland wrote:Order Of Hospitallers, Rrepaimziaraseh & Plugo

Cant the three of you just get along lol

That'd be a sight--maybe we should challenge them to only say nice things about each other for an hour.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:Whoah what the muck you have over 100 puppets!...

http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_kitchen

I am indeed the proud owner of 110 nations, this is my main. The puppets were founded in an elaborate effort to stop an invader from refounding my old and then refoundless region, The Union.

Yeaaah, those were the days. I am so happy that this type of conflict that I have with you is about as bad as it gets here. Back in The Union, that was just awful. There were secrets plots going on all the time, back stabbing, revolutions, invasions, all sort of destruction. Now that was stressful.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:I am indeed the proud owner of 110 nations, this is my main. The puppets were founded in an elaborate effort to stop an invader from refounding my old and then refoundless region, The Union.

Yeaaah, those were the days. I am so happy that this type of conflict that I have with you is about as bad as it gets here. Back in The Union, that was just awful. There were secrets plots going on all the time, back stabbing, revolutions, invasions, all sort of destruction. Now that was stressful.

I haven't led a revolution for..

*checks to see how long bacon has been WA Delegate*

31 days

New Bacon, Malcholm

Plugo wrote:I haven't led a revolution for..

*checks to see how long bacon has been WA Delegate*

31 days

Oh no sweet summer child, that's no revolution. The Union's revolutions frequently included the ejection and banning of current government officials, dictatorship-ly appointing new government officials that none of the natives want, and suppressing all who dare speak out. Oh the hundreds of telegrams that I and [nation=short]Ecuadorian Love[/nation] (last elected leader of the region) have sent to the defending organizations of NationStates, practically begging them for help. It was a complete nightmare.

TMC, has never seen anything like The Union's revolution, and I hope it never does. So despite our differences of opinion, the fact remains that TMC has achieved being something that that The Union only dreamed of: Be a true democracy.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm

[nation=malcholm] said a powerful statement,

I edited it to make it look like the original telegram.

I feel I've made myself clear in that I stand alongside [nation=short]Rrepaimziaraseh[/nation] I don't want any impeachment polls. I want to resolve this issue, and do so in a timely manner. I want to do it without ad hominems, distress, and strife. It's going to be difficult with three members of the council against it, but it's possible, so let's hold the vote. It's like Chef stated earlier: the nations we elect to positions in our region's government are the faces of our region. We need these people to stand valiantly above the rest, and do what they feel is best for the region, at home.The Councilors are not foreign diplomats. They're key components; cogs in our machine. If they're missing, how does the machine function? Sure, maybe they can still operate from afar, but it makes us (speaking as a current nation of Sentagon) feel like we're being run by a puppet government. I was President of the Lunar Council for ten moons, and not once did we have an issue with Councillors operating primarily out of other regions--even I made sure that my duties as founder of [region=The Greater Holy Isles] stayed separate from my duties to the Lunar Council, and thus The Mystical Council. The concept of vacation days on an online game are quite literally the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

Maybe we should include a clause in the constitution that prohibits nations who are leaders in other regions' governments from running for government positions here? ROs could be ok, I guess, but I don't feel like a nation who is, say, a Delegate or an elected president of another region should be running for office here.

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Rrepaimziaraseh, Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Wow. That's deep, Malcholm.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Is there anyone opposed to Amendment 6 (you know, the new one version 4 by AU912 and Rondaland)?

New Bacon, Malcholm

Amendment 6. All residents, including elected members of government, may resign at any time for any reason without warning, move around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates.

However:

a. Sentagon shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with a majority Sentagon approval and the approval of the Delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any officer, including the Secretary Delegate and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if the officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct their constitutional duties within five days.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other activities.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.

I have deleted the word "Delegate" from 6b since that is the responsibility of the WA nations. Other than that this looks magnificent.

New Bacon

Forestavia wrote:Is there anyone opposed to Amendment 6 (you know, the new one version 4 by AU912 and Rondaland)?

That doesn't actually address the issue on whether or not Regional Officers must have their office serving nations in the regions. It just says that people can get impeached. Unless I have misunderstood it... does it say that nations must first resign before moving "around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates"? If so then I agree with it, but if it does not force resignation before leaving the region and moving around, then it does not solve the issue. It only states that you can get impeached if the other members don't like you, which I think is already a given.

That is why I proposed the region wide poll vote, here in TMC, to New Bacon and the others, and it seems that Malcolm agrees with me that this form of approach is much better than all the impeachment talk. It's a way for the whole region to decide collectively and democratically on the issue.

New Bacon, Malcholm

I had a ton of telegrams flood my mailbox. If you sent me a telegram and you're still waiting for a response, please resend it.

New Bacon

Forestavia wrote:I had a ton of telegrams flood my mailbox. If you sent me a telegram and you're still waiting for a response, please resend it.

Ha lol you were in two separate meetings that were telegrammed.

Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:I had a ton of telegrams flood my mailbox. If you sent me a telegram and you're still waiting for a response, please resend it.

The poll suggestion by the way was in the telegram that New Bacon quoted here:

New Bacon wrote:[nation=rrepaimziaraseh] said this,

On the matter of you, Plugo, easily being pushed hard, again I say this https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=19953045 and say that you take things too personally. Please don't. You are not the issue to me. Know that I don't want impeachment polls. That further makes it look that the issue is personal. The issue is the issue itself; what are we gonna do? Go trying to impeach each other whenever there's a disagreement? That's not the way to go. That will destroy us whenever there's a disagreement.

You are not my enemy, and I am not your enemy, I am your fellow region mate who has a different opinion than you. That is all.

So my proposal is that if you truly care about the region, again, a simple matter of effortlessly creating a dedicated puppet for the region, that you say you care so much about, should not be an issue at all.

And again "WE HAVE STATED SO MANY TIMES ON THE RMB THAT WE ARE DOING OUR DUTIES" I know this, I swear to you I know this, but it's not just the matter of responsibilities, it is also a matter of the image you send to the rest of the region and others, when they see the people they elected aren't even home.

And if you are still adamant on puppets, I think there should be a region wide vote, here in TMC, on this issue. Not impeachment and want not. I might be wrong, maybe the majority of people here don't care if their representatives are elsewhere. I recommend that New Bacon creates such poll, and request that he puts his effort into making it unbiased.

So you don't look like you want impeachment polls, I don't want impeachment polls, but I do want to know what the region truly thinks.

So what do you think? If you still don't want puppets, can we please stop treating this issue as something personal and agree to have a poll so that all our people can democratically voice themselves? I think that's a much better way to resolve an issue than nonsensical impeachments.

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:That doesn't actually address the issue on whether or not Regional Officers must have their office serving nations in the regions. It just says that people can get impeached. Unless I have misunderstood it... does it say that nations must first resign before moving "around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates"? If so then I agree with it, but if it does not force resignation before leaving the region and moving around, then it does not solve the issue. It only states that you can get impeached if the other members don't like you, which I think is already a given.

That is why I proposed the region wide poll vote, here in TMC, to New Bacon and the others, and it seems that Malcolm agrees with me that this form of approach is much better than all the impeachment talk. It's a way for the whole region to decide collectively and democratically on the issue.

I understood the "or" to be an inclusive or. Which means that it's ok to move around. I thought this [I]was[/I] the compromise to this problem. So you're saying that with this latest and greatest Amendment 6 that we still haven't addressed the issue?

So the way I understand it you and Malcholm want the regional officers to stay here in the region and everyone else is ok with Amendment 6?

Holding a poll on this one issue won't solve the problem, it will only magnify it. What we have to do is look at the constitution as a whole and there is going to come a point where it won't be perfect in anyone's eyes but is it good enough to pass it.

So this is what the poll should say in my opinion:

Will Amendment 6, as it is currently written, cause you to vote against the Constitution during the ratification vote?

If it's only the two of you, then you will both have to accept that you are outvoted. But if there are more out there who disagree with this latest Amendment 6 then I'm going to go back to what I said before. Leave it out of the Constitution entirely. We can deal with this issue more easily after our region has a constitutional foundation.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Sorry

*exclusive or

Can I reword that first part to make it less vague? what about this:

Forestavia wrote:Amendment 6. All residents, including elected members of government, may

- resign at any time for any reason without warning

- move around from region to region as they desire

- take a vacation from the region or NationStates.

However:

a. Sentagon shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with a majority Sentagon approval and the approval of the Delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any officer, including the Secretary Delegate and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if the officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct their constitutional duties within five days.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other activities.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.

Forestavia wrote:

Well then maybe instead of a two week vote on the constitution as a whole, we can have a series of votes on its different sections, each lasting for 3 days. This way people can approve of something but reject another. However, if you still want to do a single long vote, and you feel there is a very controversial single law, then why force the issue to be part of the constitution?

The Constitution does not have to contain every piece of law that we ever make, in fact it shouldn't. It certainly is not the case in real life constitutions. The constitution would remain as the supreme piece of legislation that all citizens and other laws abide with, but not all laws have to be part of the constitution. We do have a Regional Laws and Treaties dispatch, and we can add laws to it. This way we can add laws, that are independent by their own, and they are not affected by other laws. And that's how you get my poll idea to work. No need to force it in the constitution.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Sidenote, I think this:

"This is what has been changed since June 20th:

Amendments: 1 revised, 4 added, 5 added, 6 versions 1-3 deleted, 6 added, 7 added/deleted, new 7 added

Sections 5e deleted, 13 revised, 15 revised, 18a deleted, 28 revised"

makes the WFE look cluttered, and should be temporarily moved to the dispatch of the constitution itself. And once we have formally established the constitution, we move these records of changes and all further changes of our laws, to a new, organized dispatch, that the constitution contains a link to. I can volunteer to author such future dispatch that keeps records, if Oak wishes me to.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm

On a lighter note, I would like to inform you all that one of our recruitment telegrams have went to an individual by the name of "Rape City Bitch".

And I would also like to inform you that Rape City Bitch will not be joining us, as the moderators did not take kindly to their name :(

New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Hey, any chance you could forward me a copy of the recruitment TG?

Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Well then maybe instead of a two week vote on the constitution as a whole, we can have a series of votes on its different sections, each lasting for 3 days. This way people can approve of something but reject another. However, if you still want to do a single long vote, and you feel there is a very controversial single law, then why force the issue to be part of the constitution?

The Constitution does not have to contain every piece of law that we ever make, in fact it shouldn't. It certainly is not the case in real life constitutions. The constitution would remain as the supreme piece of legislation that all citizens and other laws abide with, but not all laws have to be part of the constitution. We do have a Regional Laws and Treaties dispatch, and we can add laws to it. This way we can add laws, that are independent by their own, and they are not affected by other laws. And that's how you get my poll idea to work. No need to force it in the constitution.

I prefer to hold one long vote on one long document all at once - a document consisting of generally agreed upon ways for us to govern ourselves. And if we do three-day votes, if someone doesn't log on for three days, then their voice won't be heard. Plus it will get too sloppy and too hard to keep track of what is official and what isn't.

I think we should stick with the constitution for now and worry about regional law later. Plus Hospitallers and Rondaland are calling for this to be put into the constitution. So this is very much a constitutional issue.

So here's what I've done. I have created a tool here - a poll: Mystical Council

This is our constitution tracker. We will use this as a guide to tell us when we are ready to vote on it. I need everyone to participate honestly and tell us if you would vote in favor of the constitution as it is written today. If not, we need reasons why. We must stay focused on the constitution for now until we are satisfied enough with it. We will continue tweaking as needed. It seems this Amendment 6 issue is the major point of contention at the moment. Perhaps we can discuss other parts of the constitution as well?

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Sidenote, I think this:

"This is what has been changed since June 20th:

Amendments: 1 revised, 4 added, 5 added, 6 versions 1-3 deleted, 6 added, 7 added/deleted, new 7 added

Sections 5e deleted, 13 revised, 15 revised, 18a deleted, 28 revised"

makes the WFE look cluttered, and should be temporarily moved to the dispatch of the constitution itself. And once we have formally established the constitution, we move these records of changes and all further changes of our laws, to a new, organized dispatch, that the constitution contains a link to. I can volunteer to author such future dispatch that keeps records, if Oak wishes me to.

That would be great actually. Even if you could just make a dispatch keeping track of the changes we've made to it. That would be absolutely awesome! :)

New Bacon, Malcholm

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:On a lighter note, I would like to inform you all that one of our recruitment telegrams have went to an individual by the name of "Rape City Bitch".

And I would also like to inform you that Rape City Bitch will not be joining us, as the moderators did not take kindly to their name :(

Oh jeez....

New Bacon, Malcholm

I'm going back to pancakes.

New Bacon

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:That doesn't actually address the issue on whether or not Regional Officers must have their office serving nations in the regions. It just says that people can get impeached. Unless I have misunderstood it... does it say that nations must first resign before moving "around from region to region as they desire, or take a vacation from the region or NationStates"? If so then I agree with it, but if it does not force resignation before leaving the region and moving around, then it does not solve the issue. It only states that you can get impeached if the other members don't like you, which I think is already a given.

That is why I proposed the region wide poll vote, here in TMC, to New Bacon and the others, and it seems that Malcolm agrees with me that this form of approach is much better than all the impeachment talk. It's a way for the whole region to decide collectively and democratically on the issue.

Unfortunately, I don't feel like we're going to get that vote. You're right in saying that it doesn't solve the problem in a conventional sense, but it does allow us to persecute officials who are incapable of preforming their duties because they spread themselves too thin. If we can't get this change now, we should certainly fight for it down the road.

Forestavia wrote:Amendment 6. All residents, including elected members of government, may

- resign at any time for any reason without warning

- move around from region to region as they desire

- take a vacation from the region or NationStates.

However:

a. Sentagon shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any member of the Lunar Council at any time for any reason with a majority Sentagon approval and the approval of the Delegate. An impeachment poll must be held if three or more members of Sentagon petition for a trial.

b. The Lunar Council shall retain the right to hold a referendum to impeach any officer, including the Secretary Delegate and President of the Sentagon, at the request of any member of the Lunar Council, if the officer violates the Constitution or fails to conduct their constitutional duties within five days.

c. If any officer of the region resigns or is impeached, a replacement shall be selected by the nominal process for that office as soon as possible. Replacement of officers shall take precedence over all other activities.

d. If two or more branches of government fail to conduct the responsibilities of office, the Founder shall enact emergency powers as required to restore a functioning government.

That being said, I guess I can agree to this--but I'd still at the very least like to see a definitive public opinion poll (similar to the one I had up in [region=Sentagon]).The Mystical Council deserves to know (in a clear, concise spreadsheet format)!!

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Well then maybe instead of a two week vote on the constitution as a whole, we can have a series of votes on its different sections, each lasting for 3 days. This way people can approve of something but reject another. However, if you still want to do a single long vote, and you feel there is a very controversial single law, then why force the issue to be part of the constitution?

Mm, preach. I believe we've been trying this method for a while now, which is why we're now making the push for ratification. It seems that we didn't quite work out all the kinks :t

Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:So here's what I've done. I have created a tool here - a poll: Mystical Council

I love it already.

New Bacon

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:On a lighter note, I would like to inform you all that one of our recruitment telegrams have went to an individual by the name of "Rape City Bitch".

And I would also like to inform you that Rape City Bitch will not be joining us, as the moderators did not take kindly to their name :(

Aww h**l naw. I'm like [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] geez.

Forestavia, Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:I'm going back to pancakes.

https://media.giphy.com/media/5rvkVTPnfNxIc/giphy.gif

Forestavia, New Bacon

Hello.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm

Fogleuca wrote:Hello.

Hello :) Welcome to the region!

Forestavia, Malcholm, Fogleuca

Fogleuca wrote:Hello.

Hello there! Welcome to this magical place. We are in the midst of our constitutional convention at the moment. You are watching history in the making. And guess what? You can be part of it.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Fogleuca

Malcholm wrote:Hey, any chance you could forward me a copy of the recruitment TG?

I sent you a picture of it because I can't actually send it directly to you without screwing up the code.

The first places where it says my name, it will actually change automatically to the name of whomever is the recipient.

Forestavia wrote:I prefer to hold one long vote on one long document all at once - a document consisting of generally agreed upon ways for us to govern ourselves. And if we do three-day votes, if someone doesn't log on for three days, then their voice won't be heard. Plus it will get too sloppy and too hard to keep track of what is official and what isn't.

I think we should stick with the constitution for now and worry about regional law later. Plus Hospitallers and Rondaland are calling for this to be put into the constitution. So this is very much a constitutional issue.

So here's what I've done. I have created a tool here - a poll: Mystical Council

This is our constitution tracker. We will use this as a guide to tell us when we are ready to vote on it. I need everyone to participate honestly and tell us if you would vote in favor of the constitution as it is written today. If not, we need reasons why. We must stay focused on the constitution for now until we are satisfied enough with it. We will continue tweaking as needed. It seems this Amendment 6 issue is the major point of contention at the moment. Perhaps we can discuss other parts of the constitution as well?

Oak, again, this doesn't solve the issue one way or another at all. This whole thing can stay in a limbo and this discussion would be brought up again and again.

I will tell you this, if there is a region wide vote, here in TMC, on the issue and whether or not officers should stay in the region, and the people vote that the officers can freely come and go, and this is added to the constitution, then when the time comes to vote for the constitution, I will vote FOR it, because I will know that this is what the region wants. That's the purpose of the constitution, to serve the people, not to serve itself, and that's why we need to figure exactly what the people want, and that's what my poll proposal offer.

Also, can we please stop adding polls in Mystical Council? What is the point of that? We all know that the only people here who bother checking over there are the people in the government.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:I sent you a picture of it because I can't actually send it directly to you without screwing up the code.

The first places where it says my name, it will actually change automatically to the name of whomever is the recipient.

Thanks! I got it. Looks pretty good imo.

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Oak, again, this doesn't solve the issue one way or another at all. This whole thing can stay in a limbo and this discussion would be brought up again and again.

I will tell you this, if there is a region wide vote, here in TMC, on the issue and whether or not officers should stay in the region, and the people vote that the officers can freely come and go, and this is added to the constitution, then when the time comes to vote for the constitution, I will vote FOR it, because I will know that this is what the region wants. That's the purpose of the constitution, to serve the people, not to serve itself, and that's why we need to figure exactly what the people want, and that's what my poll proposal offer.

Also, can we please stop adding polls in Mystical Council? What is the point of that? We all know that the only people here who bother checking over there are the people in the government.

So, we should make the poll. The only thing stopping it from happening right now is my PvW poll.

New Bacon

From the looks of the meetings that I had. The New Bacon Government HEREBY DECLINES the impeachment vote. Thank everyone for their voice! :)

Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:Thanks! I got it. Looks pretty good imo.

So, we should make the poll. The only thing stopping it from happening right now is my PvW poll.

I say wait for a whole day on that poll and then call it off.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:I sent you a picture of it because I can't actually send it directly to you without screwing up the code.

The first places where it says my name, it will actually change automatically to the name of whomever is the recipient.

Oak, again, this doesn't solve the issue one way or another at all. This whole thing can stay in a limbo and this discussion would be brought up again and again.

I will tell you this, if there is a region wide vote, here in TMC, on the issue and whether or not officers should stay in the region, and the people vote that the officers can freely come and go, and this is added to the constitution, then when the time comes to vote for the constitution, I will vote FOR it, because I will know that this is what the region wants. That's the purpose of the constitution, to serve the people, not to serve itself, and that's why we need to figure exactly what the people want, and that's what my poll proposal offer.

Also, can we please stop adding polls in Mystical Council? What is the point of that? We all know that the only people here who bother checking over there are the people in the government.

Ok, see if Malcholm will suspend the pancake waffle poll. Hold the poll.

As to the poll in the back up region, every nation here will check it, because I will be a nag. If we don't have the votes over there in the constitution tracker then I'm going to work off of the assumption that we don't have the votes over here. We need a way of knowing when we're ready and since we can't run two polls at once that is the best option.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Also, can we please stop adding polls in Mystical Council? What is the point of that? We all know that the only people here who bother checking over there are the people in the government.

Typically, the only polls that occur in Mystical Council are polls specifically for the government, hence why they occur. I think having the constitution tracker there is good, because we'll be able to keep track of public opinion as we make changes to the existing text.

Now, if only a region could run more than one poll..

Forestavia, New Bacon

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=587227

[nation=short]Tumetu-iin Noyan[/nation], [nation=short]Plugo[/nation], [nation=short]Order of Hospitallers[/nation]

I have included Amendment 6.

Please vote in this poll >>> Mystical Council

New Bacon

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:I say wait for a whole day on that poll and then call it off.

Sounds good. I think some temporary poll downtime will be better in the long run--no need to over-saturate the vote. The poll regarding the "Stay vs. Go" dilemma will go up sometimes tomorrow.

Do we have a good name for it yet? We need something catchy, like "Brexit."

*Looks at constitution tracker*

You guys are killin' me....

I swear.... if there is no agreement by October, I am going to declare this region constitutionless. And then the zombies will take over. I will horde your nations with zombies.

Malcholm

ROLEPLAY**

BREAKING NEWS:

The New Bacon Federal Government has declined impeachment vote on [nation=short]plugo[/nation], [nation=short]order of hospitallers[/nation] and [nation=short]tumetu-iin noyan[/nation]. No impeachment vote will be held. (News media Awaits The Forestavian High Council's response) reporting from Bacon Central News Jeff Wayne and also we look to hear from the High Council shortly.

Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:Sounds good. I think some temporary poll downtime will be better in the long run--no need to over-saturate the vote. The poll regarding the "Stay vs. Go" dilemma will go up sometimes tomorrow.

Do we have a good name for it yet? We need something catchy, like "Brexit."

In my telegram about the poll https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=19954450

I recommended that [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] makes the poll. If you or I make the poll, some might say it is written in a biased way, and likewise if the other side makes the poll. That is why I think New Bacon should be the non partisan party in here. Is that fine with you?

New Bacon, Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:Do we have a good name for it yet? We need something catchy, like "Brexit."

[I]Should I Stay or Should I Go? If I stay there will be trouble. If I go there will be double.[/I]

New Bacon, Malcholm

So you guys, if we get immigrants coming to our region, should we build a wall and let Anticom pay for it?

#MakeTMCGreatAgain.

Forestavia, Malcholm

*Role play:

The Forestavian High Council stayed neutral on the matter issuing only a short statement.

"It is our hope that The Mystical Council will continue working diligently towards the final goal of a regional constitution. The Forestavian High Council understands that there is no perfect system of governance but is optimistic that this region will find a way to uphold the principles of freedom for all nations residing here and for all future nations to come while also keeping the members of regional government accountable to the entire region."

New Bacon, Malcholm

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:So you guys, if we get immigrants coming to our region, should we build a wall and let Anticom pay for it?

#MakeTMCGreatAgain.

Anticom has no interest in that :P

If you do im sure you could get funding from Nazi Europa or Donaldtrumpland

Malcholm

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:Anticom has no interest in that :P

If you do im sure you could get funding from Nazi Europa or Donaldtrumpland

Doesn't matter if Mexico... aaaah, I mean Anticom, has no interest in paying for the wall. We got a trade deficit or something.

Make 'Murica, I mean Make TMC Great Again

Malcholm

Rrepaimziaraseh wrote:Doesn't matter if Mexico... aaaah, I mean Anticom, has no interest in paying for the wall. We got a trade deficit or something.

Make 'Murica, I mean Make TMC Great Again

Nazi Europe will buy the wall for you.

Malcholm

Or better yet kaiserreich, since you guys want them on the protected embassy list for some reasonq

Malcholm

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:Nazi Europe will buy the wall for you.

Well that's where the immigrants are coming from. And of course there are rapists crossing the border. Anticom should pay for our wall or we just MysExit (That was my take on the word Mystical and Exit. Yes I know, I am an original genius)

Forestavia, Malcholm

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