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Region: The Mystical Council
The only problem I see with the poll is that the Lunar Council members are judges by definition. The constitution grants them that power. Unless...Are you suggesting we create a fourth branch of government - a judicial branch?
Trebisond
I will run for a councilor spot.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Inca Tribals, Order Of Hospitallers
I think the lunar council should have a say, but that they don't get full power to decide punishments.
But based on the amount of cases this week, you all will most likely stall this decision.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
We should make a fourth branch, but the council should have some say.
If we do this that would mean a new clause in the consitution
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I would also like to run.
Malcholm
Post self-deleted by Malcholm.
The Mystical Council's Supreme Court hereby convenes to for the initiate the trial of [nation=short]The Snake Treaders[/nation] v. The Mystical Council. The prosecution [any Lunar Councillor or Lunar Court Justice] is hereby called to the RMB to present the case on behalf of the region.
Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Order Of Hospitallers
Guilty with permanet banjection
Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Fascism Vector
Perma ban
Fascism Vector
HE WILL NEVER JOIN AGAIN
he was part of a communist invasion force. enough said.
perma ban
Great! But I need a briefing of the case, not a verdict. Something similar to [spoiler=this.]
[/spoiler]The prosecution has one hour from the time of initiation to present an adequate case to the court. Past that, the defense will have one hour to present a rebuttal.
If the prosecution fails to present an adequate case within the allotted time, charges will be dropped. There's no precedent set for this yet, however I believe a criminal should not be tried twice for the same crime. If you want [nation=short]the_snake_treaders[/nation] convicted, hurry up!
Would this work I took it straight out of oak criminals of February.
1. The United States of The Snake Treaders:
Abused communications authority by unnecessarily silencing vast sections of the RMB.
3 days 5 hours ago: The Snake Treaders revoked posting privileges on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board from nations in embassy regions.
3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Oppressed Peoples of Vaspassia as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.
•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Republic of Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.
•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Protectorate of AU912 Mystical Council Consulate as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.
•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The United Provinces of New Bacon as President of Sentagon / Map Minister of The Mystical Council.
•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Nomadic Peoples of ChingisLan as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.
•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Vereint Reich of Malcholm as Lunar Council President of The Mystical Council.
Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
Thank you! I'd have rather had it come from one of the Councillors or Court Justices, but I'll make an exception.
Order Of Hospitallers
So would that work?
Hell from me or them does it matter? The difference between me and them is I am on.
Malcholm
The prosecution has made their case, seeking the permanent banishment of [nation=short]The_snake_treaders[/nation] from The Mystical Council. Defense, the court requests that you now take the stand and present your opening statements.
OOC: My government course is slowly but surely trickling back into my head.
Forestavia
Post self-deleted by Malcholm.
Not really. Now that I think about it, it's probably actually better that you did it. The Lunar Council should judge, and Sentagon should be jury.
Absolutely.
The defense now has until 11:36 to present. If this time is not met, the court will adjourn and reconvene when it's time to cast votes and seek a verdict.
Alright, I'd like to tear the poll to shreds. Let's review.
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First off! You're proposing to create
when already exists, and I don't appreciate redundancy.______
The Lunar Council has a President. Sentagon has a President. Are you suggesting that the Lunar Council shouldn't have a president, or that the most senior member shouldn't be able to run for re-election? That's just as bad as setting up an infinite FOR loop in Java, because you'll never stop removing Councillors! If that were to continue, Councillors wouldn't be able to stay in office for more than a couple terms. It doesn't make sense! I can see why you wouldn't want a Delegate to also be a Lunar Councillor, but that's already mentioned in the Constitution. If you're seeking to heavily alter the duties of the Lunar Council in regards to it's judiciary powers, then propose comprehensive legislation, not a flash poll designed to contradict existing legislation. It also seems that you're suggesting that Sentagon's most valued shouldn't be able to seek a seat among the Lunar Councillors? What's wrong with that? Lastly, what judge? Do we have judges? Are you inciting that the Lunar Council shouldn't be allowed to do their duty as designated by the Constitution? The Lunar Council are Supreme Court justices in the same sense that SCOTUS justices are Supreme Court justices.
'Regional rank' has no working definition within the current bounds of the constitution, so..? I suppose that you may have viewed the Lunar Council and Sentagon as a combined Legislative Branch, such is the Senate and House of Representatives, but this is not the case. If you want to further divide the responsibilities of our existing government, then take away the Lunar Council's power to propose legislation and divide Sentagon into two sub-entities similar to the Senate and HoR. It would make much more sense.
There's one more thing that I think everyone's missing. I saw earlier that Oak mentioned that Hospitallers may be seeking a fourth 'judicial' branch of government. Thing is, there already is a Judicial Branch. It's called the Lunar Council, and it currently has a panel of five Supreme Court justices. The Delegate and their Cabinet make up the Executive Branch, Sentagon is the Legislative Branch, and the Lunar Council is the Judicial Branch. I thought that concept was clear-cut, but it seems I was wrong, just as I had assumed that everyone had at least glanced the Constitution.
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Everloyal
The defense has failed to present their opening statement within the allotted amount of time. The Supreme Court of The Mystical Council hereby adjourns this court session. The verdict of [nation=short]the Snake Treaders[/nation] v. The Mystical Council will now go to vote. Lunar Council members, the poll will be up in [region=Sentagon] shortly.
Lol leave it to Malcholm
Forestavia, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=50378
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
~RP~
Via letter with the official seal of Forestavia.
To: The Delegate - Order Of Hospitallers
From: The Government of Forestavia, Sentagon
It has come to our attention that you have rightfully exercised your right as defined by the working regional constitution to appoint cabinet members of your choice and with titles of your choice. However, the titles "Lunar Judge" and "Lunar Justice" remain obscure and vague at best and downright confusing at worst. There is a Lunar Council made up of five positions. This body is both legislative and judicial. The nations serving on the Lunar Council, to our understanding, are fully in charge of justice in this region. Their names are: Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Jegerkompaniet, Vaspassia, and Tumetu-Iin Noyan. Are you trying to amend the constitution in such a way as to take away the rightful authority belonging to our Lunar Council? Are you trying to create a fourth branch of government that deals only with justice? The constitutional amendment currently running in the poll, if passed, will be challenged. The Forestavian government believes the Section 11 amendment to be unconstitutional in that it is out of sinc with many other parts of the constitution. No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line. Is it really necessary to have more than five justices? Does our regional government need to expand anymore than it already has? The Lunar Council has been elected by the people. Your cabinet members have not been elected but appointed by you to help you serve the region more effectively. It seems to some of us here in Forestavia believe that there is something more sinister afoot in our region's capitol.
Yours Truly,
The High Council of Forestavia
The Senate of Forestavia
((OOC - This ought to get interesting real fast! :P))
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers
Nice job on the WFE! :)
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I vote guillotine.
Malcholm
You do realise if Sentagon, is meant to play a jury type role then they shouldn't be allowed to play a part in either defence or prosecution. As Sentagon should remain independent until it becomes time to vote (if required)
Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
I want home hanged drawn and quartered.
Order Of Hospitallers
Congrats to the following five countries! You have the most valuable currencies in the region. Give yourselves a pat on the back. :)
1: The United Provinces of New Bacon
1 New Bacon Dollar = $1.83
or $1 = 0.55 New Bacon Dollar
2: The Federal Republic of Fascism Vector
1 Yok = $1.68
or $1 = 0.60 Yok
3: The Theocracy of Order of Hospitallers
1 Doeg = $1.59
or $1 = 0.63 Doeg
4: The Vereint Reich of Malcholm
1 Malcholmian Dollar = $1.51
or $1 = 0.66 Malcholmian Dollar
5: The The Glorious Soviet State of Vedan
1 Edensia = $1.49
or $1 = 0.67 Edensia
Vedan, New Bacon, Malcholm, Everloyal, Order Of Hospitallers
The
~~RP~~
I agree ^.
Montesquieu - The Seperation of Powers.
JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER! * screams the grandmaster *
THAT IS THE CURRENY FUNCTION OF THE COUNCIL!
They help decide if the accused is guilty or innocent, and then get to decide the punishment, which is unacceptable!
With all due respect they do not need both of those powers.
Either they help decide the innocence or they help decide the punishment, not both.
Oakplumington
It is the Constitution that gives me the power to appoint members of cabinet.
Much like the function of the president of the united states.
They appoint justices.
But if the council is so afraid then we could ad a new function.
The delegate nominates judges but the council can swear them in?
Im saying that the council shouldn't have all judicial powers.
" No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line "
EXECUTIVE OVERREACH!? AHAHHAHAHAH!
Considering many delegates have caused terror and banjected many people i feel i am not close to that line at all, as i am just following the Constitution, our people are horrified by your statement and tensions rise between our two nations....
This nation is a socialist hellhole.
Trebisond
Me and many other nations will stand behind oak... No matter what.
Nordrlond Mercenarys
Speak for yourself.
I like oak but i do agree that all judicial powers shouldn't be held in the council.
West Castlemaine, Nordrlond Mercenarys
You can have your opinion I was referring to "tensions rise between our two nations..."
Nordrlond Mercenarys
Very interesting, do you think the majority supports oak or the delegate?
i was just stating that in the roleplay, but of course, in the roleplay you and i are already bitter
I'm not sure I'm on either side. I do feel that I may have too much power as a member of the Lunar Council, but if we want a judiciary separate from the Lunar Council we'll need to do quite a bit of discussion to flesh out exactly how it will work before I'd be willing to support it.
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers
(mine) http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=591055
I made a sort of profile for my nations leader based of of this factbook: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=liburia/detail=factbook/id=589499
you all should do the same, it would be cool!
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Trebisond
I agree, my idea is just a proposal
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I will suspend the judges in the cabinet, until friday.
Hopefully a decision will be made by then
Oakplumington
thats cool, ill make one
I suppose above of my statement I should of said RP
I don't have an opinion 'cause I don't really know what's going on....
Trebisond
Well this region and anticom are fascist sympathizers *cries*
well you know what they say, if you cant beat em join em
He he, our spys finally put out your old extremist regime, and although we didn't want you to be fascist, its better then before.
Updated the info center a little.
Malcholm
I'm guilty of that too. I'll try to get better with the RP/OOC designations. It's usually easy enough to figure it out based on context but the way we play, things tend to blend together. One minute well be talking OOC. The next we'll be RPing an OOC government thing. And the next we'll be doing a IC RP. Anyone up for some alphabet soup? ;)
Malcholm
RP:
"But," said Potato slyly, "It is important to have an efficient government. These five have been elected." He leaned over and whispered "Let's keep the government small shall we?" He pushed a wad of Baps in the grandmaster's direction. "The Council may be powerful, but that is why we have two other branches to keep them in check."
Potato had fully recovered from his time in the hospital and was doing better than ever.
Oh darn. I thought I was under Forestavia for that last post. I'm turning in for the night. Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow.
Malcholm, Nordrlond Mercenarys
mine: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=au912_mystical_council_consulate/detail=factbook/id=591157
IC the leader of Vedan Kragon Khalin appears on regional tv with a important announcement.
"People of the Mystical council I am Kragon Khalin. Many of you know me as the liberator of vedan from the evils of vulture capitalism. Other know me only as a extremist bent on the destruction of there way of life but today that does not matter. No today I come to you not as leader of vedan but as a concerned old man fearfull for his regions future. For you see it has come to my attention that certain members of the ANTICOM alliance of which the mystical council is a part express the ideals of a horrible ideology known as fascism and wishes to see it spread something that cannot be tolerated. Some of you may now be wondering why this should concern them. It is understandable few now remember the horrors of Zikzator or the Vedanian Invasion of Oakplummington of the rampant death and destruction that perpetuated the region when it was still young. However there is at least one of us who still remembers one of us who still sees a field of Forestavian corpses stretched out before him every time he closes his eyes one who hears the charismatic voice of Zolo Wilson speaking to him on warm sunny days ushering thousands of young men to die for his personal gain. And fortunately he is here to tell you the truth about fascism and what it has already done to our vulnerable region. It all started with a man named Zolo Wilson who ruled over a nation known as Zikzator decades ago. Zolo was a greedy manipulative man who managed to spread his country's reach far and wide first to my country and then to a small portion of Forestavia known as Oakplummington. With considerable success he managed to sway my colleagues on the Vedanian Mystical Council (the former ruling body of vedan) into helping certain elements of Oakplummington society lead a revolution agents Forestavia establishing a independent nation lead by a totalitarian puppet regime. Inspired by our success The Facist members of the Council decided to launch a bloody invasion of Forestavia in a bid to capture more land for them to rule over leading to the deaths of countless innocents. After that the citizens of Oakplummington began to see that they had made a terrible mistake and revolted agents the tyrannical rule they were subjected to day after day. The Oakplummington government panicked and pleaded for help from the Vedanian and Zikzatorian Military. Our action was swift and without mercy.......my nations troops swarmed into Oakplummington killing men women and children alike before taking a large portion of land which is know known as The Oakton Tract named after the leader of Oakplummington who's tyranny lead to it's annexation. However it is what occured in the area that was not annexed that I am shamed to tell you, for you see after the people of Oakplummington were crushed they were forced to undergo a process of cruel eugenics and cultural destruction carried out by the Vedanian military which intalled the castration of every male in the nation no matter how young or how old and the rape and forced inpregnattion of the women of Oakplummington by the vedanian troops. Even today children in Oakplummington are born with red eyes and worship a pantheon that was forced upon there ancestors in a language which they did not speak." he wipes his Brow and pauses to catch his breath "It has now been long since Zikzator collapsed and The Mystical Council was replaced by the Vedanian Soviet however the threat of Facism has not yet passed. No it looms over us now looking for every chance it has to destroy all of our regions progress and plunge us back into the days of Zikzator to the days of petty wars and unfathomable misery it is for that reason why we must fight it at every turn. We must end our relationship with the warmongers of ANTICOM who would gleefully plunge us into wars ten times the scale of the ones I have told you about. We must end our hostility towards the red fleet who even know is valently trying to guard agents the restoration of a region bent on the spreading of racist ideals like those exemplified by the vedanian military force in oakplummington. And we must end all tolerance for the evil tenets of Fascism which has done nothing but bring death and destruction to this land and countless others. If we do not then there is no telling what shall befall us.
Forestavia, Malcholm
Damn commie the red fleet "Liberated" us once it wasn't so glorious.
Order Of Hospitallers
Because the Facists brought them here. We just wound up in the crossfire of there righteous torpedos.
Yes because you commies do nothing wrong... Take no blame.
IC the people in the recording studio are quick to correct the name of the land annexed from oakplummington as the Darkness Riseing ridge and try and cover up the mistake. (The Oakton tract is a stretch of woodland in eastern Vedan named after Plum Oakton because it's full of Rabbits.)
OOC: Its Been a long time since we did that RP. And I kinda got two of his leaders mixed up.
Oh No we take full blame. You see it's just that we distribute the blame equally across the entire nations population. So it kinda gets waterd down to near nothingness pretty easily.
Look anticom is a protected embassy you would have to convince some people to change that.
Malcholm
Post self-deleted by Vedan.
Which I'm currently trying to do. You see it's all apart of my master plan to get the Mystical Council to leave ANTICOM and join the red fleet. :) You should join me it's kinda fun being a fifth columnist.
Forestavia, Malcholm
Annnnnnnd I got a new flag. :P
Forestavia
Lol I came here from the bloc I was a part of a tag raid I have seen your side. Besides I am going to try to get us to create an beasts with KAISERREICH.
Good to see that this wonderful region is flourishing!
As the new FA of Grand Central, I'd like to extend a welcoming hand to you guys.
What this "welcoming hand" entails:
Firstly, an invitation to pick an ambassador to represent your region in an on-forum embassy. (No need to move any puppets anywhere)
Secondly, an invitation to move some random puppet into the region, which qualifies you for a citizenship.
Both diplomatic and citizenship applications can be found here: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Grand_Central/forum/3239276/
With a reg. citizenship, you have a right to be involved in anything, vote for anything and run for any position. With a diplomatic citizenship, you can participate in forum based discussions.
I hope to see you guys out and about in the region!
PS: This in no way means I expect you to prefer GC over this region, or have conflicting interests, merely an invitation to have some fun, and meet new people!
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm
Excellent post Vedan!
Do you have NS++? I was thinking you could start an anti-fascist newspaper.
i could give him the authority
Oakplumington
excellent post? you support commies now?
this region is messed up so im gone
Wtf just happened? First of all someone take that flag.
Hospitallers... Well I hated him first.
What just happened here?
Anyways, if there are any anti-communists among you, you can still help ANTICOM.
Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Fascism Vector
I am not sure, it looks like the founder is supporting a communist from TRF, and hospitallers went beserk.
I am anti communist, and ive heard good things about C.U. so ill be moving there
Fascism Vector
No oak just supports everyone's rights to free speech and wants to make this region have more then one view.
Malcholm, Oakplumington, West Castlemaine
Oak is too much of a pacifist.
One day TRF raids his region the next day they are buddy buddy?
How can we help anticom?
CU?
Hmm, founder is supporting communism? Why'd he ever allow you to join ANTICOM?
I do not think he is buddy's with them but he does not let them bother him.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Yeah... so... what's your point?
You can participate in raids. TG me if you want to be added to my navy roster, I'll contact you about any navy operations.
Pacifism is fine too, I respect that. But if he doesn't want war, inviting the communists here is a very bad idea. Remember that ANTICOM won't help now, so have fun!
You have Red Fleet nation's in here? Why is the ANTICOM embassy up for closing? What's up with that flag?
New Bacon, Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, West Castlemaine
Um, do you guys need any help?
New Bacon, Oakplumington, West Castlemaine
Apparently our delegate Hospitallers went stone because Forestavia said "excellent post Vedan" which was indeed a big mistake. I don't know why the red fleet flags are here.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
If you move a puppet over here get it in the WA I can probably reestablish the regional government here if you endorse me.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
What is that mess about? Are any of you guys leaving because of this?
Inca Tribals
It appears the founder here is allowing Communist free reign so I have no option than to close embassies and alliance.
New Bacon
I'll send one over.
New Bacon
Thanks
It was Hospitallers who changed the flag to the TRF one. As far as I can tell, he did it (and dismissed the Lunar Council) out of disgust for The Mystical Council rather than actual alliance with TRF. So there's two solutions: the founder can clean up the mess, or we can get a new delegate in here to fix things.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Oakplumington
No problem.
New Bacon
ANTICOM won't officially help but I will if you want.
New Bacon, Oakplumington
Alright then
If Oakplumington does not login before update I will fix it.
I loved this region, it is such a shame
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, West Castlemaine
Why is everyone acting like the region is going to end it is just a rough patch we have been through it before and will go through it again.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I dont really know where to go but ill go to the wolf syndicate or CU
Guys I said it earlier if Oakplumington does not log in I will fix it. No the region is not going to end. Currently as of now hes been on 21 hrs ago.
Malcholm
It's not the end. All that happened was a the delegate threw a temper-tantrum over an insignificant misunderstanding.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Hospitallers is charged already with the following crimes...
8 hours ago: Vedan was ejected and banned from The Mystical Council by Order of Hospitallers.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers ordered the closure of embassies between The Mystical Council and New Great Khans.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers ordered the closure of embassies between The Mystical Council and ANTICOM.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Nordrlond Mercenarys as The Most Honorable VikingRaider Visitor Ever in history of The Mystical Council.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Vaspassia as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Tumetu-iin Noyan as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed AU912 Mystical Council Consulate as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed New Bacon as President of Sentagon / Map Minister of The Mystical Council.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Malcholm as President of the Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.
8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed West Castlemaine as ANTICOM Liaison of The Mystical Council.
Violation of New Bacon Appearance Act which is by regional statute
Malcholm, Oakplumington
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