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Did anyone like my idea?

Civilisunio wrote:Did anyone like my idea?

It is intereresting, though I don't personally agree with all of it, it has some fair points to consider. In conclusion, Its oklay, but I think someone else with fuse together your idea with someone elses to create an even better structure

Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Civilisunio

Exotic Lemon wrote:It is intereresting, though I don't personally agree with all of it, it has some fair points to consider. In conclusion, Its oklay, but I think someone else with fuse together your idea with someone elses to create an even better structure

Who will be the decider of thead descisions of there is even any descisions to be mada? The public?

Civilisunio wrote:Who will be the decider of thead descisions of there is even any descisions to be mada? The public?

Everyone, or at least the majority. We will take reasonable steps in the future, you will not get off and log on the next day to discover we completely redid the government.

Malcholm

he]y gu]ys just wanted to tell ]you something. M]y spellcheck is reall]y screwed right now so ]you will see this "[" alot. Sorr]y if ]you do

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:he]y gu]ys just wanted to tell ]you something. M]y spellcheck is reall]y screwed right now so ]you will see this "[" alot. Sorr]y if ]you do

Is this some form of secret code? this is almost unreadable.

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:he]y gu]ys just wanted to tell ]you something. M]y spellcheck is reall]y screwed right now so ]you will see this "[" alot. Sorr]y if ]you do

and no this is not a prank, m]y pc is actually screwed up

Exotic Lemon wrote:Is this some form of secret code? this is almost unreadable.

No smart one, m]y chromebooks spellcheck is so f**ked up right now it does this automatically

and before this my spellcheck was so screwed up it looked like french, Esperanto and latin had a baby

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:and before this my spellcheck was so screwed up it looked like french, Esperanto and latin had a baby

the word thanks looked like this

"thrahanks"

Malcholm

Exotic Lemon wrote:Who is the +1? Au912 is a little different because he is president.

.....

Civilisunio

Plugo wrote:.....

never mind. What is your idea for reforming the government?

Republic Of Greater Cuba

[nation=short]Exotic_Lemon[/nation]

+1 means i agree, so i add my support.

I pinned a factbook that has my ideas for the government named 'The Act of Ministers [REGIONAL PROPOSAL]' surprised you haven't seen it.

New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon

Plugo wrote:[nation=short]Exotic_Lemon[/nation]

+1 means i agree, so i add my support.

I pinned a factbook that has my ideas for the government named 'The Act of Ministers [REGIONAL PROPOSAL]' surprised you haven't seen it.

Yeah I saw it after I posted that.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Plugo wrote:[nation=short]Exotic_Lemon[/nation]

+1 means i agree, so i add my support.

I pinned a factbook that has my ideas for the government named 'The Act of Ministers [REGIONAL PROPOSAL]' surprised you haven't seen it.

I support Plugo's idea currently, but I am open to other suggestions.

New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo

I want my ministers thing to happen, but one branch doesn't seem just right so i'm open to add on proposals.

Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon

Plugo wrote:[nation=short]Exotic_Lemon[/nation]

+1 means i agree, so i add my support.

I pinned a factbook that has my ideas for the government named 'The Act of Ministers [REGIONAL PROPOSAL]' surprised you haven't seen it.

Boy don't get salt :P

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

I agree with the ministers, but we should have a registered voting list.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Plugo wrote:I want my ministers thing to happen, but one branch doesn't seem just right so i'm open to add on proposals.

How bout' adding my other branches to it?

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Woohoo!

Malcholm

I'm liking AU912's idea of not completely destroying our existing government. The problem with job/role-specific ministers is that not every position is going to get filled every time. Maybe we go through a slow phase later, or people leave, and we have lots of empty seats because there's no one that wants to run for them. What would we do then? Cut/condense the roles?

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:I'm liking AU912's idea of not completely destroying our existing government. The problem with job/role-specific ministers is that not every position is going to get filled every time. Maybe we go through a slow phase later, or people leave, and we have lots of empty seats because there's no one that wants to run for them. What would we do then? Cut/condense the roles?

I agree somewhat, but got now I doubt it will be a problem. I like the minister ideas because instead of 5 people doing one thing, everyone has just one job

Kazukame, Malcholm

Plugo wrote:The problem is people feel the branches are Too seperate, i.e. lunar councilors feeling useless not being able to vote in sentagon matters etc.

Why don't we make.it this way sentagon won't vote for the lunar council also.

Kazukame wrote:Why don't we make.it this way sentagon won't vote for the lunar council also.

That might work, but assuming there is only one seat up for election them there is an even number. Also, the lc has 5 people doing the same thing, without any distinction or differences

Exotic Lemon wrote:That might work, but assuming there is only one seat up for election them there is an even number. Also, the lc has 5 people doing the same thing, without any distinction or differences

Lunar council will be like the Senate. A legislative branch. Sentagon will also be a legislative branch like the house of Representatives

Kazukame wrote:Lunar council will be like the Senate. A legislative branch. Sentagon will also be a legislative branch like the house of Representatives

Why have 2 legislative branches? Thats peculiar and not efficient, if we dissolved Sentagon then molded it into the Lunar Council we could have one medium sized legislative branch. Then if we implemented The Minister System we can take control of large issues and put it into the hands in which were voted in. Then we obviously have the founder and Delegate which will be an 'Elite' in The Lunar-Sentagon Council.

Kazukame, Alistia, Plugo

Malcholm wrote:I'm liking AU912's idea of not completely destroying our existing government. The problem with job/role-specific ministers is that not every position is going to get filled every time. Maybe we go through a slow phase later, or people leave, and we have lots of empty seats because there's no one that wants to run for them. What would we do then? Cut/condense the roles?

What do you mean every position would not be filled?

You don't think people would want to run for them?

Alistia, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon

Plugo wrote:What do you mean every position would not be filled?

You don't think people would want to run for them?

I kinda of get it. I think he means that some positions might not intrest The public so nobody run.

Alistia, Malcholm, Plugo

Civilisunio wrote:Why have 2 legislative branches? Thats peculiar and not efficient, if we dissolved Sentagon then molded it into the Lunar Council we could have one medium sized legislative branch. Then if we implemented The Minister System we can take control of large issues and put it into the hands in which were voted in. Then we obviously have the founder and Delegate which will be an 'Elite' in The Lunar-Sentagon Council.

I support your view

Alistia, New Bacon, Plugo, Civilisunio, Naumadal

Civilisunio wrote:Why have 2 legislative branches? Thats peculiar and not efficient, if we dissolved Sentagon then molded it into the Lunar Council we could have one medium sized legislative branch. Then if we implemented The Minister System we can take control of large issues and put it into the hands in which were voted in. Then we obviously have the founder and Delegate which will be an 'Elite' in The Lunar-Sentagon Council.

is their a point to having a council and ministers though?

Plugo, Civilisunio

In really not a fan of the ministry style government. As has already been mentioned not ever position will get filled. You then have the situation where some ministerial jobs will take more priority than others, which means some will feel undervalued. Then you have the difficulty of measuring people's performance to ensure jobs get done (some will be easy and others won't). BUT most importantly it will destroy debate. I mean what works will with the LC and Sentagon model is issues and ideas get debated. If people step on others toes then there is a debate about their ideas and actions. With a minister position you won't get that as other Ministers will be expected to stick to their own roles and responsibilities.

I honestly belive that if we are going to change our systems it needs to be into a congress of sorts. With a president and vice president and then congressman.

Kazukame, New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:In really not a fan of the ministry style government. As has already been mentioned not ever position will get filled. You then have the situation where some ministerial jobs will take more priority than others, which means some will feel undervalued. Then you have the difficulty of measuring people's performance to ensure jobs get done (some will be easy and others won't). BUT most importantly it will destroy debate. I mean what works will with the LC and Sentagon model is issues and ideas get debated. If people step on others toes then there is a debate about their ideas and actions. With a minister position you won't get that as other Ministers will be expected to stick to their own roles and responsibilities.

I honestly belive that if we are going to change our systems it needs to be into a congress of sorts. With a president and vice president and then congressman.

That was my original idea, But it was shot down already. Sorry

Parakka Northland

How about having a parliamentary system? Sentagon and lunar council stays. Minister appointees will be from the sentagon and the lunar council

Plugo, Exotic Lemon

Civilisunio wrote:That was my original idea, But it was shot down already. Sorry

Posted a dispatch about it here http://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=683498 a couple of days ago that you might find interesting (good luck though finding the discussion that preceded it on the RMB haha)

Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:Posted a dispatch about it here http://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=683498 a couple of days ago that you might find interesting (good luck though finding the discussion that preceded it on the RMB haha)

I don't like the president is delegate, other than that it's good.

Plugo, Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:In really not a fan of the ministry style government. As has already been mentioned not ever position will get filled. You then have the situation where some ministerial jobs will take more priority than others, which means some will feel undervalued. Then you have the difficulty of measuring people's performance to ensure jobs get done (some will be easy and others won't). BUT most importantly it will destroy debate. I mean what works will with the LC and Sentagon model is issues and ideas get debated. If people step on others toes then there is a debate about their ideas and actions. With a minister position you won't get that as other Ministers will be expected to stick to their own roles and responsibilities.

I honestly belive that if we are going to change our systems it needs to be into a congress of sorts. With a president and vice president and then congressman.

I really don't understand why you guys say all the minister jobs wont get filled.

We are not doing the long list that naumadal posted, he just posted that as an example..

These are what we would do:

Prime Minister - Appearance, Embassies, Border Control, Communications, Polls

Minister of Defense - Border Control, Communications

Foreign Minister - Embassies, Communications

Interior Minister - Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture - Appearance, Communications

I do think that all these positions will get filled in elections and no one has given any reason why they wouldn't be, just saying that those 5 positions won't get filled due to lack of interest, but considering how many people are interested in being in government oi doubt that.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal, Borbun, Rondaland

Plugo wrote:I really don't understand why you guys say all the minister jobs wont get filled.

We are not doing the long list that naumadal posted, he just posted that as an example..

These are what we would do:

Prime Minister - Appearance, Embassies, Border Control, Communications, Polls

Minister of Defense - Border Control, Communications

Foreign Minister - Embassies, Communications

Interior Minister - Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture - Appearance, Communications

I do think that all these positions will get filled in elections and no one has given any reason why they wouldn't be, just saying that those 5 positions won't get filled due to lack of interest, but considering how many people are interested in being in government oi doubt that.

Yeah i just gave that list as an example, didn't mean that all those positions would actually be in our government.

Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Borbun

Plugo wrote:I really don't understand why you guys say all the minister jobs wont get filled.

We are not doing the long list that naumadal posted, he just posted that as an example..

These are what we would do:

Prime Minister - Appearance, Embassies, Border Control, Communications, Polls

Minister of Defense - Border Control, Communications

Foreign Minister - Embassies, Communications

Interior Minister - Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture - Appearance, Communications

I do think that all these positions will get filled in elections and no one has given any reason why they wouldn't be, just saying that those 5 positions won't get filled due to lack of interest, but considering how many people are interested in being in government oi doubt that.

I agree with that, and i think the WA Minister (delegate) and the Emergency Minister (founder) should both be placed in an executive branch.

So that way we will have two branches.

The WA Minister can't directly start legislation in the other branch but can vote in legislation they create and put up on their own.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Borbun

Exotic Lemon wrote:I don't like the president is delegate, other than that it's good.

It was an idea, if people hate it, obviously could be changed should an official first draft be put together.

Plugo wrote:I really don't understand why you guys say all the minister jobs wont get filled.

We are not doing the long list that naumadal posted, he just posted that as an example..

These are what we would do:

Prime Minister - Appearance, Embassies, Border Control, Communications, Polls

Minister of Defense - Border Control, Communications

Foreign Minister - Embassies, Communications

Interior Minister - Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture - Appearance, Communications

I do think that all these positions will get filled in elections and no one has given any reason why they wouldn't be, just saying that those 5 positions won't get filled due to lack of interest, but considering how many people are interested in being in government oi doubt that.

I know the list that naumadal posted was just an example list. I'm not a fan of the ministerial idea for the reasons I outlined earlier.

Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo

Parakka Northland wrote:It was an idea, if people hate it, obviously could be changed should an official first draft be put together.

I know the list that naumadal posted was just an example list. I'm not a fan of the ministerial idea for the reasons I outlined earlier.

if my minister idea was rejected, i will support your pres and vice pres idea, however a general 'congress' still doesn't solve the problem of people feeling useless as their are 4 other people with their exact same duties and responsibilities.

Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon

Plugo wrote:if my minister idea was rejected, i will support your pres and vice pres idea, however a general 'congress' still doesn't solve the problem of people feeling useless as their are 4 other people with their exact same duties and responsibilities.

But you wouldn't have three branches of government which would make things simpler and reduce the question of which branch is more important/has more authority. Is it the Lunar Council or Sentagon or The Delagate?

Instead you would have one branch of government where everyone is equal etc etc

I am leaning towards a council of ministers, or specialists currently, but with the name of the lunar council. Basically the LC with more specialized positions. Sentagon for now, due to just being reformed, remains mostly the same, excluding minor tweaks. If we have a third branch, it would be the delegate, possibly founder, and maybe more generalized officers like the lc currently is. What does everyone think?

Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Plugo, please reduce my vote by 1. I am moving my WA elsewhere temporarily. I am on a secret mission.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Post self-deleted by Lampar.

I have caught up on reading the RMB (that was a lot of posts) and have been thinking about things and will share it tomorrow evening I'm dealing with other stuff today. I think I may have a way to simplify things, save the Lunar Council concept (which I think makes our region stand out uniquely), and reduce bureaucracy at the same time, while maintaining our legacy of liberty.

Kazukame, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Parakka Northland

Lampar wrote:I'm regretting to say that I'm officially suspending my campaign.

Why? You are quite close.

I haven't been reading every little bit of the RMB, but I can get the main concept.

Exotic Lemon

Exotic Lemon wrote:Why? You are quite close.

It doesn't look like I'm going to get the 2 votes I need to tie for fourth, but I'll stay I guess.

Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Welcome to the region [nation=short]Hidimba[/nation]

Kazukame, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] where do you stand on reforming/restructuring the government?

Lampar wrote:It doesn't look like I'm going to get the 2 votes I need to tie for fourth, but I'll stay I guess.

you techniqly have 3 votes, since civ is WA

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio

This update is really bad. All content says this:" System Error (eval) at Tue Aug 30 19:48:59 2016."

Kazukame, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Civilisunio wrote:This update is really bad. All content says this:" System Error (eval) at Tue Aug 30 19:48:59 2016."

So it wasn't just me?

Good.

Considering the nature of the error, maybe they're finally planning on letting regions run more than one poll at a time?

New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:Oh dear, I see where the confusion is coming in at. I'm going to put a password up over there to prevent this from happening in the future. Alright then, I guess a residency of seven days in either Sentagon or The Mystical Council or both will be acceptable in this situation.

I voted for you.

[B]Hello everyone, I have an announcement to make regarding my position on the Lunar Council.[/B]

My name is [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation], some of you may know me as Chef or [nation=short]Rrepaimziaraseh[/nation]. My term will be ending this September, and with a heavy heart I am announcing that I will not rerun for office in the upcoming election. My reason for that is not related to the region itself. TMC has been the best region that I have had the honor of calling home. However, some of you might have noticed that I have been less active as of late, and may have even found me ill informed on the ongoings of the region.

The reason for all this is that for the past month or so, I have been going on a long trip across north of the United States and south of Canada. I expect my trip to go on for 1 to 2 more months. And with me exploring this area of the North America continent, I have barely had enough time for NS.

For as long as I had held my office in the Lunar Council, I have maintained that my office and all the other government offices of the region, are not there to simply serve power to whomever is in that office. My belief is that each office is there to serve the region and its people first and foremost, and not the office holder. As such, I cannot with good faith serve the people of the region and hold office powers, if I am ignorant of the ongoings within The Mystical Council. And that is why I am not rerunning for my office.

I would like however to state few points:

1) I will not CTE. I will probably be around here at least 2 to 3 times a week. So if you were hoping to get rid of me completely, you're outta luck.

2) I will be in office until the upcoming elections in September, and I will do my best to fulfill my obligations until elections time, but my name will not be on the polls when the time comes.

3) Please DO have elections for my office. Even if there's only 1 person running to replace me who would win by default, at least have a yes/no poll to ask the people if they support this person running for office. It will give us all an idea of how many people support this person, and it will also serve as a notification to all the people in the region, so that they may know that a new LC member is going to serve them, and that is very important.

5) I will probably run for office again once my trip has come to end, but that is yet to be determined.

6) There is no 4)

7) I have been responsible for the region's recruitment operation, but I have suspended that when I started my trip, since I have to run that on my home server. I have informed [nation=short]Oakplumington[/nation] of this. No worries, I will resume this once my trip ends, with the region's permission, regardless of whether or not I become a member of government again.

So that's all got for y'all. Thank you for trusting your local town Chef to be your Lunar Councillor.

Kazukame, New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Roleplay

President Friedrich Hayek, the first elected president of plugo, has died today.

He died at the age of 93 and the people of plugo will truely miss him, hayek abolished tax in plugo, and won a nobel prize in economics.

He is succeeded by Zoltan Istvan, a member of the transhumanist party.

New Bacon, Lampar, Naumadal

Does anyone else have a written factbook proposal on how to fix/change the tmc governmenrt?

these are the only two i know of:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=683498

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620

If you have one please tg me the link to it in less then 5 hours.

New Bacon, Civilisunio

Plugo wrote:Does anyone else have a written factbook proposal on how to fix/change the tmc governmenrt?

these are the only two i know of:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=683498

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620

If you have one please tg me the link to it in less then 5 hours.

Talk to [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation], he had a plan, but he didn't write it down.

Plugo

Roleplay

The ex-monarch King Charles' funeral was exactly 20 years ago today.

The nation mourns on his day of remembrance, also known as Monarch Day.

New Bacon, Plugo

Plugo wrote:Roleplay

President Friedrich Hayek, the first elected president of plugo, has died today.

He died at the age of 93 and the people of plugo will truely miss him, hayek abolished tax in plugo, and won a nobel prize in economics.

He is succeeded by Zoltan Istvan, a member of the transhumanist party.

Roleplay

Prime Minister Orion Guard plans on attending the funeral.

Naumadal

Plugo wrote:Roleplay

President Friedrich Hayek, the first elected president of plugo, has died today.

He died at the age of 93 and the people of plugo will truely miss him, hayek abolished tax in plugo, and won a nobel prize in economics.

He is succeeded by Zoltan Istvan, a member of the transhumanist party.

Roleplay

We in naumadal are saddened by this and will also attend the funeral, we also have hopes that Zoltan will share the technological advancements made by plugo to help benefit the world.

Alistia, Lampar, Rondaland

Roleplay

Prime Minister Orion Guard cancels elections for the second year, worrying the Lamparian people of his inevitable fate in the nation.

The Prime Minister also calls for Parliament to up the spending of the arms manufacturing business, and is accepted by Head Senator Lyke.

New Bacon, Rondaland

Lampar wrote:Roleplay

Prime Minister Orion Guard cancels elections for the second year, worrying the Lamparian people of his inevitable fate in the nation.

The Prime Minister also calls for Parliament to up the spending of the arms manufacturing business, and is accepted by Head Senator Lyke.

Roleplay

A market analyst for rondaland comes to lampar on a visit.

We would like to establish an arms trade with you, as you know the arms manurfacturing industry in TMC Is dominated by Anahuac Empire, Kazukame and Plugo, with the rondaland colony borbun coming 4th and lampar 5th.

If we combine our resources together we could surpass all three of the other competitors while increasing both of our nations economies.

New Bacon, Lampar

Rondaland wrote:Roleplay

A market analyst for rondaland comes to lampar on a visit.

We would like to establish an arms trade with you, as you know the arms manurfacturing industry in TMC Is dominated by Anahuac Empire, Kazukame and Plugo, with the rondaland colony borbun coming 4th and lampar 5th.

If we combine our resources together we could surpass all three of the other competitors while increasing both of our nations economies.

Roleplay

The Prime Minister welcomes the analyst, and agrees to the trade.

Prime Minister Orion will make a trip to the Rondaland capital to sign the official document.

Borbun, Rondaland

Roleplay

Would anyone like to buy some furniture?

Lampar wrote:Roleplay

Would anyone like to buy some furniture?

Didn't realize you where #1 in the region for that.. :/

New Bacon, Lampar

Plugo wrote:Didn't realize you where #1 in the region for that.. :/

Sometimes I just pick the answer to my issues randomly. I should probably start reading them.

Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Lampar wrote:Sometimes I just pick the answer to my issues randomly. I should probably start reading them.

Last time i did that my political freedom dropped from corrupted to unheard of.. so never again XD

Malcholm, Lampar

[B]Roleplay

Tumetu-iin Noyan is looking to buy arms as it commences operation desert ocean, the invasion of brasilistan.

Today is also the royal wedding, where a prince from house Izuli marries the sister of emperor cyrus of [nation=short]alistia[/nation].

This means that we are now in an alliance, and tumetu has officially adopted Rastafarianism as its religion.

[nation=short]lampar[/nation] what is your flag? did you make it yourself or just find it somewhere?

Lampar

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:[nation=short]lampar[/nation] what is your flag? did you make it yourself or just find it somewhere?

I was interested in the New Zealand flag referendum, and when I was searching for a flag I knew that they would have some good ones.

The referendum is the origin of the flag, just a red background instead of blue.

Role Play

Parakkan Broadcast Coperation

News by Alice Daniels (this was originally broadcasted across the Parakka 2 hours ago)

Today was a tough day for the Emperor. After a joint session held between The Emperors Assembly and The Hoxuse of Parliament, erupted into chaos. After the Prime Minister Roger Martin - of Imperialism Party - accused the Emperor of interfering in other world powers affairs, namely the decision by the Emperor to send Talons to keep and eye on The Eastern European States.

Roger Martin had this to say "It is not our business to constantly interfere in other nations internal affairs. It is high time the Emperor stopped focusing on other nations and started focusing on his own. Fact is since this Emperor has taken the thrown, we have been at war or near war more times than we have in the past 50 years. Yes though his leadership we have gain control of 95% South America, but now he want those citizens of these newly conquered land to become first class citizens! This is unacceptable and I as Prime Minister will not tolerate this!"

This speech was met with cheers from the Imperialism Party but was met with some criticism from Joan Aguilar, leader of the Republic Party. "I agree with the Prime Minister on one issue and that is with this Emperor, we have been involved in more conflict, since this Emperor took the throne than in the past 50 years. It as such why I firmly believe that it is high time the debate about turning the Empire back into a Republic be had!"

After this there was a number of other speeches made each getting more and more heated until Lord Richard Ironbars accused the Emperor of being unfit to rule and issued a challenge for the throne, under the Noble rules.

Before the Emperor closed this joint session he had this to say "Lord Richard Ironbars, you have left me no choice but to accept your challenge. As such the dual will take place tomorrow at noon, in the Palace guarden. I should remind you that if you loose your assets will be mine and under the law your family will be executed."

For those of you who are unfamiliar with The Noble Rules, they specify that anouther Lord can challenge the Emperor for the throne, in a trial by combat, if there is a sufficient cause to believe that the Emperor is unfit to rule. If the challenger wins he, will become the new Emperor. However, if he loses then his assets will be transferred over to the Emper and the Challangers family are executed. What is interesting is that these rules have not been used in over 679 years, due to the steep price paired if the challenger loses.

Now over to Mark for the wealthier....

Parakka Northland wrote:Role Play

Parakkan Broadcast Coperation

News by Alice Daniels (this was originally broadcasted across the Parakka 2 hours ago)

Today was a tough day for the Emperor. After a joint session held between The Emperors Assembly and The Hoxuse of Parliament, erupted into chaos. After the Prime Minister Roger Martin - of Imperialism Party - accused the Emperor of interfering in other world powers affairs, namely the decision by the Emperor to send Talons to keep and eye on The Eastern European States.

Roger Martin had this to say "It is not our business to constantly interfere in other nations internal affairs. It is high time the Emperor stopped focusing on other nations and started focusing on his own. Fact is since this Emperor has taken the thrown, we have been at war or near war more times than we have in the past 50 years. Yes though his leadership we have gain control of 95% South America, but now he want those citizens of these newly conquered land to become first class citizens! This is unacceptable and I as Prime Minister will not tolerate this!"

This speech was met with cheers from the Imperialism Party but was met with some criticism from Joan Aguilar, leader of the Republic Party. "I agree with the Prime Minister on one issue and that is with this Emperor, we have been involved in more conflict, since this Emperor took the throne than in the past 50 years. It as such why I firmly believe that it is high time the debate about turning the Empire back into a Republic be had!"

After this there was a number of other speeches made each getting more and more heated until Lord Richard Ironbars accused the Emperor of being unfit to rule and issued a challenge for the throne, under the Noble rules.

Before the Emperor closed this joint session he had this to say "Lord Richard Ironbars, you have left me no choice but to accept your challenge. As such the dual will take place tomorrow at noon, in the Palace guarden. I should remind you that if you loose your assets will be mine and under the law your family will be executed."

For those of you who are unfamiliar with The Noble Rules, they specify that anouther Lord can challenge the Emperor for the throne, in a trial by combat, if there is a sufficient cause to believe that the Emperor is unfit to rule. If the challenger wins he, will become the new Emperor. However, if he loses then his assets will be transferred over to the Emper and the Challangers family are executed. What is interesting is that these rules have not been used in over 679 years, due to the steep price paired if the challenger loses.

Now over to Mark for the wealthier....

Roleplay

Rumour has it that the arms manufacturing industry in plugo is arming secessionists in [nation=short]parakka[/nation] who want to abolish the empire for a republic and give independance to all the colonies.

President Zoltan is looking into these rumors and seeks to stop the arming if they are true, as plugo has developed more advanced weapons that would cause a big threat if given to terrorists.

Parakka Northland

Plugo wrote:Roleplay

Rumour has it that the arms manufacturing industry in plugo is arming secessionists in [nation=short]parakka[/nation] who want to abolish the empire for a republic and give independance to all the colonies.

President Zoltan is looking into these rumors and seeks to stop the arming if they are true, as plugo has developed more advanced weapons that would cause a big threat if given to terrorists.

Role Play

We can assure you that these rumours are not true but we have dispatched the Inquisitors to investigate to confirm

Plugo, Rondaland

Plugo wrote:Does anyone else have a written factbook proposal on how to fix/change the tmc governmenrt?

these are the only two i know of:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=683498

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620

If you have one please tg me the link to it in less then 5 hours.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=civilisunio/detail=factbook/id=684773

At this point I am just saying "lets remake the whole region" because we are always trying to save the government branches of old

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=republic_of_greater_cuba/detail=factbook/id=684830

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:At this point I am just saying "lets remake the whole region" because we are always trying to save the government branches of old

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=republic_of_greater_cuba/detail=factbook/id=684830

good thing you posted, i was just about to post the poll when i saw the message.

i also agree about remaking the regions government.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Lampar

Plugo wrote:good thing you posted, i was just about to post the poll when i saw the message.

i also agree about remaking the regions government.

I am actually kind sadeened by how much we want to save the lunar council and shiz when in general they are the problems

Plugo

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:I am actually kind sadeened by how much we want to save the lunar council and shiz when in general they are the problems

Did you just call us a problem?

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Lampar, Parakka Northland

Exotic Lemon wrote:Did you just call us a problem?

Uh...

*takes a step backwards*

FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Exotic Lemon

The poll description is messed up, their where spaces between links when i made it..

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Plugo wrote:The poll description is messed up, their where spaces between links when i made it..

Also you forgot my proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683954

Plugo, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:Also you forgot my proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683954

Thanks for the reminder

Please vote for my proposal!:)

Exotic Lemon wrote:Did you just call us a problem?

bro, is this really the level we are at now on a online game? Lets just peacefully forget about this

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:bro, is this really the level we are at now on a online game? Lets just peacefully forget about this

and besides, do not get offended. This region is pumped wiith such a democratic atomosphere that it allows people to critize a group

Kazukame

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:bro, is this really the level we are at now on a online game? Lets just peacefully forget about this

I found it amusing. I meant it as a joke

Malcholm

Exotic Lemon wrote:I found it amusing. I meant it as a joke

Oh, sorry

Plugos proposal is invalid. His system demolishes The Lunar Council and Sentagon and implements ministers. The Ministers control their given type, [I]Without Checks And Balances and Since this region is largely democratic, wouldn't that be against? Maybe im interpreting this wrong, but my system implements the Ministry System While Keeping the Democratic atmosphere present by presenting Vetos, Check And Balances, and many positions open for the public to join, making a System I have patented Called a Federal Democratic Council. This is a mix between a Democracy, a Large Government while keeping the feel of our old government. Sure, Elections may take longer but Thats not a problem. The government will be efficient, alot more of the public will have a chance to be elected into a council and we will be able to get everyones ideas into a law if its widely popular.

In conclusion, I believe that you should vote for My proposal (The FDC aka. Federal Democratic Council) to continue to have a strong, efficient government and having alot of ideas glowing threw as well.

(Sorry if i repeated alot!XD)

Civilisunio wrote:Plugos proposal is invalid. His system demolishes The Lunar Council and Sentagon and implements ministers. The Ministers control their given type, [I]Without Checks And Balances and Since this region is largely democratic, wouldn't that be against? Maybe im interpreting this wrong, but my system implements the Ministry System While Keeping the Democratic atmosphere present by presenting Vetos, Check And Balances, and many positions open for the public to join, making a System I have patented Called a Federal Democratic Council. This is a mix between a Democracy, a Large Government while keeping the feel of our old government. Sure, Elections may take longer but Thats not a problem. The government will be efficient, alot more of the public will have a chance to be elected into a council and we will be able to get everyones ideas into a law if its widely popular.

In conclusion, I believe that you should vote for My proposal (The FDC aka. Federal Democratic Council) to continue to have a strong, efficient government and having alot of ideas glowing threw as well.

(Sorry if i repeated alot!XD)

Lmao, sending a region wide tg to get votes, didn't know we were going real politican here.

Malcholm, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal

Civilisunio wrote:Plugos proposal is invalid. His system demolishes The Lunar Council and Sentagon and implements ministers. The Ministers control their given type, [I]Without Checks And Balances and Since this region is largely democratic, wouldn't that be against? Maybe im interpreting this wrong, but my system implements the Ministry System While Keeping the Democratic atmosphere present by presenting Vetos, Check And Balances, and many positions open for the public to join, making a System I have patented Called a Federal Democratic Council. This is a mix between a Democracy, a Large Government while keeping the feel of our old government. Sure, Elections may take longer but Thats not a problem. The government will be efficient, alot more of the public will have a chance to be elected into a council and we will be able to get everyones ideas into a law if its widely popular.

In conclusion, I believe that you should vote for My proposal (The FDC aka. Federal Democratic Council) to continue to have a strong, efficient government and having alot of ideas glowing threw as well.

(Sorry if i repeated alot!XD)

How is the minstry system not democratic and without checks and balances?

The people vote for who they want to be ministers.

And yes, ministers have control over their section of government, you're new to the region so you haven't experianced how the lc handles simple issues.

Their have been weeks worth of arguements and personal attacks all over one embassy being constructed or withdrewn, we won't have to go through that anymore if one person can make the decision (which can be protested by the way).

And sentagon wont even be "demolished".

Sentagon and its members will still exist, anyone who isn't a minister can be a part of sentagon who can debate the way a minister handles something and or can campaign.

Exotic Lemon, Naumadal

Plugo wrote:Lmao, sending a region wide tg to get votes, didn't know we were going real politican here.

How did civ even do it? He isn't an officer, but did he seriously spend money for that

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Naumadal

Exotic Lemon wrote:How did civ even do it? He isn't an officer, but did he seriously spend money for that

He must have stamps yes.

Plugo wrote:How is the minstry system not democratic and without checks and balances?

The people vote for who they want to be ministers.

And yes, ministers have control over their section of government, you're new to the region so you haven't experianced how the lc handles simple issues.

Their have been weeks worth of arguements and personal attacks all over one embassy being constructed or withdrewn, we won't have to go through that anymore if one person can make the decision (which can be protested by the way).

And sentagon wont even be "demolished".

Sentagon and its members will still exist, anyone who isn't a minister can be a part of sentagon who can debate the way a minister handles something and or can campaign.

As an lc member, I agree. What was the last thing we accomplished within a week? I have been in office for a while and still haven't got half the reform I wanted to done.

Naumadal

i still support [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] 's proposal, but since it looks like this is an all out battle between civ and plugo i am switching vote.

Exotic Lemon

as a LC member the last thing we need is a larger government.

instead of 5 people argueing over one thing weather that be defense or an embassy, one person can make the decision, and i think if sentagon (non officers) disagree with the decision the minister made it can be over turned.

Malcholm, Exotic Lemon

Where are all these nations coming from?

Naumadal

Federal: All the Executive Officers Will Will be here. There main Objective is to veto policies that will infringe the citizens security and rights. - what executive officers? the only two are the founder and the delegate, the founder doesn't even want to interfere in regional stuff unless their is an emergency, which means we have the delegate as a one person branch again.

Lunar Council: This Group is made out of elected Memebers. They will Keep check on the executives, Veto any law that goes against the policies in place, they will protect the citizens as well, and make lwas guided to keeping everyone on check. So we have two groups that protect the citizens?

You don't even have a group that makes the laws, just two groups that protects citizens from bad laws..

The Ministry: This is a Group of Ministers that have certain types in which they will make policies and veto policies according to that type they have been selected for. So the ministry makes up certain laws for certain things, but also vetoes the own laws they make?

[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation]

Plugo, Civilisunio, Rondaland

Exotic Lemon wrote:Where are all these nations coming from?

Who cares as long as they all dont start voting in the polls.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Exotic Lemon

Naumadal wrote:Federal: All the Executive Officers Will Will be here. There main Objective is to veto policies that will infringe the citizens security and rights. - what executive officers? the only two are the founder and the delegate, the founder doesn't even want to interfere in regional stuff unless their is an emergency, which means we have the delegate as a one person branch again.

Lunar Council: This Group is made out of elected Memebers. They will Keep check on the executives, Veto any law that goes against the policies in place, they will protect the citizens as well, and make lwas guided to keeping everyone on check. So we have two groups that protect the citizens?

You don't even have a group that makes the laws, just two groups that protects citizens from bad laws..

The Ministry: This is a Group of Ministers that have certain types in which they will make policies and veto policies according to that type they have been selected for. So the ministry makes up certain laws for certain things, but also vetoes the own laws they make?

[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation]

I was gonna vote for civ, but i will wait until he responds to you

Republic Of Greater Cuba

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