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Region: The Mystical Council
Tell me about it. Anyway, did you say the interview part of the newspaper is going out today or in next week's issue?
Hmmm, do we still not have a definite thing about this?
[nation=short]Alistia[/nation] can you please add the offices' term limit discussion to this https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=707692
Alistia, Parakka Northland
sure.
i think 3-4 months would be good
Mugwop
I don't know about the first part. I mean sure, yes anyone with border control has the power, but does that give them the right to exercise it whenever they like? I have apparence power, does that give me the right to mess up the WFE however I want?
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the way that Civ tackled the issue, but the matter of ejections must taken with more gravitas.
On an unrelated note.
[B]@The_Whole_Lot_of_You[/B]:
Be advised that the current poll must link to this dispatch https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=701680 but some mistakes were made.
Forestavia, Malcholm
The interview with CIVILSUNIO want out in todays news and interviews with Forest and hopefully Parakka will go out on Sundays news
Forestavia
Not whenever they like. Whenever it is [I]necessary[/I]. We're cracking down.
Of course the effected nations have the right to appeal ejections and bans to the Lunar Council. So when we do it, it's got to be justified. Otherwise the Lunar Council will crack down on us.
Parakka Northland
See the problem is how you define necessary. Necessary can easily go out of the window, especially when it's personal with the other party.
To me personally I have strict definition of what necessary is to ejecting pre trial:
Are they spamming even after being warned and suppressed? (Note that a conversation between two individuals, not pups of the same person, cannot qualify as spam)
or
Are they part of a raid group and their presence is imminent danger to the region's security?
Those in my opinion are the only conditions that qualify for pre trial ejections and/or bans.
Forestavia
I have finally cooled off.
Here is my formal apology.
I am sorry [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] for posting incredibly mean stuff about you I just felt backed into a corner and used un-nescissary language to try and get my self out which was horrible and I am so ashamed of my actions I can barley even bear it. I fully accept that I was ejected and would have ejected someone who was acting as foolish as I was.
Sincerely and Apologies,
[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation]
Forestavia
I accept your apology. Whilst I might seem like I was backing you into a corner, when someone is criticised for something it's only natural to want to know what they have been criticised for. Obviously if then that criticism seems unfair or unjust then naturally it's going to be challenged. I hope that makes sense?
Forestavia, Civilisunio
I does. Thank you for accept my apology.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Ok, here's my criteria. (I'll put this into the decrees dispatch):
All officers holding authority over borders and/or communications will have the following emergency powers as applicable. The following should be understood as general guidelines and not the strict letter of the law. Some people will naturally be more lenient than others.
0. Post suppression is like a yellow light. Ejection is like a red light. Banjection is sort of like being pulled over for speeding through a red light.
1. Any personal insult or directly demeaning remark to another nation should be suppressed. The nation should be warned. (Ejection may also be used with a telegram warning if the situation warrants it. This will be left to the discretion of the border control officer.) If the next infraction occurs within say a week they will be banned from the region with a telegram pointing out the post.
2. Border control may be used for defense in military threats and regional invasions. This is part of the R/D game. The Ministers of Defense and War should have some say in this process.
3. As this is a game about politics, civilized debate is encouraged. Nations involved in an RMB argument should be told to take it to telegram if an argument becomes personal so that they can work it out themselves. If they refuse to take it to telegram their posts pertaining to the argument may be suppressed, especially any containing accusations or personal attacks. If they continue they may be ejected with a telegram warning. If they come back and bring drama to the RMB they will be banned.
4. The founder or delegate may remove any powers being abused. This action may also be appealed to the Lunar Council. A telegram should be sent to the nations explaining why the action was taken.
5. Helpful tip and personal note. When I, suppress a post I mean business. It means slow down because Forestavia is about to get real. I am usually very laid back and lenient on stuff. A lot of times there are things that I should suppress that I don't. I really do believe in freedom of speech and in the ability of players to do the right thing and sort out their own conflicts. But - things are getting a little out of control lately and I want to get civility back before our region self-destructs into one big dramatic power struggle. My goal in enacting the above decree is to achieve civility and peace in our region.
6. This decree will remain in effect as a backup policy in the event that the etiquette act or something similar is passed by the region.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
We have an embassy request from Cyberius Confederation.
Forestavia
i would accept it
Kazukame, Forestavia
Did you read the telegram?
The link in the poll doesn't seem to be the right link. So you will need to start the poll again
Republic Of Greater Cuba
You all, a constitution is in progress of being constructed right now. But the rights do need to be protected temporarily.
Kazukame, Alistia, Malcholm
No no no no, please no. I realize the mistake but no need to redo it now. I think anyone who needs to see the dispatch can easily find it.
[B]THIS IS THE CORRECT DISPATCH EVERYONE:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=701680[/B]
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I am resuming my region tour.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Thank you for listing the correct link :)
Forestavia
I have added the dispatch on the ICTO. It can be found in my nation
Forestavia, Alistia
Link the actual ICT dispatch within yours, so that we can pin your dispatch instead.
Kazukame, Forestavia, Alistia
Post self-deleted by Alistia.
Post self-deleted by Alistia.
what telegram?
You're doing a great job with foreign affairs Kazukame!
Alistia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Indeed, the best one we've probably ever had.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Yo! This is Adawn!
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Role Play
Negotiations have broken down between government bodies in Forestavia regarding the transition from Theocratic Republic to Empire. The Monastery has threatened legal action against the Emperor and High Council for unconstitutionally altering the government. Emperor Troublesolver and High Councillor Pressley have both had their religious titles taken away from them. Strongly Fortruthian Southern Forestavia is now debating about leaving the empire.
Emperor Troublesolver sighed as he prepared for an interview with one of the region's newspapers.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]Republic of Greater Cuba[/nation],
I need a direct answer on whether you are or are not a member of the Lunar Council. They've been busy and need an odd number for tie breaking purposes.
Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Welcome to TMC! :)
Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Wolan
they currently do have an odd number.
we will be holding the elections soon in the backup as well so we do need to know, cuba has avoided the question 5 times though
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Who is the fifth?
they don't have a fifth, but civ's temporarily suspended
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I might as well rejoin lc
aren't you gonna be going off to Ussd soon?
I object. I believe it is wrong to have a nation hold more than one position of power.
Nations must stay within their boundaries.
Malcholm
I agree but there is no official rule against it yet. All we have is tradition and social pressure preventing people from holding two positions.
Malcholm
your'e confused
He just said he will rejoin the lc, giving up the minister of war
Malcholm
I sent this telegram to Wind Dragon Empire.
Hey,
You're the only one who expressed any interest in running for the Lunar Council. We're currently short on people and the ones who were nominated have not accepted their nominations. If you are interested, you may come over or send a puppet over to our region and we can look into instating you temporarily as Acting Lunar Councillor.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=72854
Malcholm
the heck are you talking about
roavin and emforia accepted their nominations
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] don't try to pull off the appoint whoever you want in the lc stunt again
We need five Lunar Councillors right?
AU912
Malcholm
Teurs
Cuba
Civ is temporarily suspended.
We still need one member, right?
Civ, I'm endorsing your pleadge of guilt.
Pledge*
Some of those councilors might not even be there, lets wait till the trial.
But since cuba rejoined, at least for now
so lets just make it so roavin/emforia are the canidates for au912's seat.
civ has claimed not guilty, what are you talking about
You can't suspend people willy nilly just like that. It should at least come from Alistia or AU912. Come on Fest that's not democratic.
Alistia, Malcholm
Him pleading guilty.
Really? You're going to go back to that? I'm taking this to telegram.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Parakka Northland
The LC:
AU912 - his seat is for re election in a few days
teurs - heir to presidency, safe member
malcholm - safe member
civ - involved in a lc trial
cuba - JUST re joined, also involved in lc trial
Forestavia, Malcholm
Okay so to summarize.
Civ is out of the LC for now.
Cuba just rejoined the LC and is no longer minister of war?
Malcholm
I'm going to run five-day poll for candidates again for AU912's seat. I'm not worried about that right now. I'm worried about the fifth Lunar Councillor. Do you need someone to fill in?
Parakka Northland
I guess we currently do not.
The empty seat was cuba's, but he just rejoined.
After the outcome of the lc trial we may need another one though
Traditionally, the Judiciary President has held the power of tie-breaking but under our current system no such power was granted.
Parakka Northland
I think so... But we still only have four Lunar Councillors.
Alistia
only 3 councilors are on the current case, so a tie breaker isn't needed
Forestavia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba
I'm really sorry. I understand now. Ok, good. I thought we were short on people!
Alistia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba
I find it really funny that some members of the lc are in a trial being reviewed by the lc
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
Yep, that's probably why I'm confused. It unprecedented in our region for something like that to happen.
Alistia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Viva Italia
Shall I release the statement you sent to me?
In the tg?
Got to say that you really have embraced your role :)
well the Lunar Council is under AU912 control as Lunar President (or whatever the title is now) so actually Alistia should keep out of Council affairs
Kazukame, Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
It is partially true about the current investagation about me in tmc, however it is only right on one part. I am technically in the red fleet as a spy, but I am barely in contact with them anymore, times change. I only came into the region to talk with you guys, your my friends m8. That stuff in the screenshots all made up, I only told him it because I knew he is the type of person who would "break" my supposed trust of him and use it, and then that "evidence" he gave everyone would start in some stage or another some outrage and Civ would over react, making him look weak
That was all just a trick I did for political gain and to secretly try to ruin Civ's reputation, I'm a sneaky little bee
However this doesn't mean that he maybe didn't give the password, he could have given it for all I know, I just messed him over in a act of clever revenge
Sent by Cuba to Gagala
Well I would say that in the event of the LC president being absent, the prime minister can take action, but AU912 seem to have been active recently.
[nation=short]AU912 Mystical Council Consulate[/nation], any comments?
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
This region is full of spies it no big deal.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
*It's no big deal.
Kazukame, Malcholm
I would say its important to keep the ministry and the judicial bodies separate, and that the LC should have a system in place to deal with the possibility of one of their president being absent
Forestavia, Alistia
I agree with both of you on this. Once again this goes back to the region's lack of structure. Bacon mentioned earlier that a constitution is being prepared so hopefully our bare bones structure will make a little more sense to us once it is finished.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Wolan
God bless Alistia though for being able to keep up with everything. If Alistia wasn't involved, no one would know what was going on.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
That is fair enough, but i did have evidence to give to the lc regarding the trial.
And yeah, AU912 hasn't been as active, but he knows this and said he probably won't be running for re election this term so ill be stepping out of it :p.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
please understand i was only referring to the running of the Lunar Council, if that makes sense?
Alistia, Malcholm
Civ's suspension from the council was my decision, not Alistia's. I received no objection from AU912 or Teurs. Alistia has only acted on behalf of himself, not the LC.
The entire situation is certainly without precedent, but it'll better to set a higher standard now than deal with a mess later.
Forestavia, Alistia, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Since this is the election for AU912 seat, will the winner be LC president?
Personally I recommend that the seat becomes a normal seat, and once the election is done, the LC from among them chooses a president.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
On that same note, yes, both Civ and Cuba are suspended from Council activities until their cases are resolved.
I ask that anyone with any final bits of evidence to submit for judicial reviews of Barishmacht or Mugwop please step forward now via TG. Any submissions beyond this point may remain anonymous by request. Direct telegrams to AU912, Teurs, and myself.
Forestavia, Alistia, Parakka Northland
the person who has been on the council the longest will get the presidency, which is [nation=short]teurs[/nation]
Forestavia, Malcholm
ive said that before, or have the title Rotate amongst the council so they all get a go at being president
Nope. Person on the bench with seniority becomes LCP, so it'd be Teurs.
IMO, I'm still enjoying the historic tradition of seniority. It sorta requires the LCP to have experience and popular support.
Forestavia, Alistia, Parakka Northland
[B]Okay listen up people[/B]
This is getting really confusing.
Is [nation=short]Republic of Greater Cuba[/nation] the minister of war? Is he a lunar councilor? Is he both? Is he neither?
There's a lot of conflicting statement and this needs to be cleared.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
He is a suspense councillor.He is not Minister of war
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
he choose to return to his former position of lunar councilor so as such he is no loner minister of war
Malcholm
So he is a suspended LC?
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Yes
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
what did you want me to add to the to do list?
im going to be adding the vote on weather to merge the minister of war and defense positions to the list in a bit
Malcholm, Mugwop
yep ^^
Alistia, Malcholm
Oh yeah, that, and offices' term limit discussion, and also I think we need to create a definition as to what the delegate's duties are, so that we can setup a clear chain of command.
Alistia, Malcholm
Anyone here watch poldark?
Alistia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Civilisunio
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=718452 Lord [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] this is the link.
No I mean put this link https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=642978 within the context of your dispach.
it is
At the guidance of Lord [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] I have added the ICTO Treaty link. Regarding term limits I do believe that all offices including the WA delegate should have a term limit. I personally support merging the defence and the war ministries.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
I have just wrapped up my tour from the Conservative League. Like the other regions I previously visited they want more engagement.
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
I don't disagree with anything stated here but how would you enforce a time limit on the WA Delegate?
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Viva Italia
I was thinking that myself
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I disagree with a term on the wa delegate.
If the people want a change they can endorse someone else, they shouldn't be forced to endorse someone else or unendorse someone who they think is good
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I actually voted in favor of a WA resolution for once in my life.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'd say Ministers/Councilors have a 3 month term / no term limits, Delegate can change on a whim.
I only say 'no term limits' because we don't really have enough people interested in the regional government to warrant them.
Forestavia, Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
To be honest I'm happy to go with the majority on this one as being WA delegate it would be biased of me to majorly object lol
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm
So, yeah. This region belongs to us. We are the true authentic beneficiaries of TMC. We are the people! And if any force thinks they can take us down easily they are gravely mistaken. As long as we can stick together we will not fall. We will continue, inch by inch, to create this fine government of ours as well as a culture of liberty opposed to both of those authoritarian forces called fascism and communism. So go right ahead fleeters! Try us. We survived the February Invasion and that farce of an "Emergency Constitution" instating the Lunar Soviet! I know there are spies reading this. We are not afraid. And we will always be victorious. If you got the endorsements, bring 'em. Bring it on!
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Alistia is right. The Delegate's "term limit" (if we call it that) occurs when popularity wanes and the people decide to endorse someone else.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
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