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Region: The Mystical Council
What if I'm...
A. Found guilty
and
B. Refuse both choices
Then what?
Parakka Northland
Yeah, it's like peer pressure or something.
Here kids try some discord... You've got to. Everybody's doing it!
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I was kicked from the Discord and I'm never joining back!
Parakka Northland
I like the trial to occur in Mystical Council
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Basically. It depends on whether New Bacon and Truxol agree with me. If they don't, then you're welcome to solicit on behalf of the defense.
He's set to stand before the court following the conclusion of your trial. No final decision has been made, however it's strongly recommended that you hire a lawyer who isn't accused of and soon to be on trial for treason against the state 😛
[I]We can, if you'd like.[/I]
Questioning the authenticity will get you nowhere, however, you could stand to question my austerity. I hold vested interest in maintaining the security of the region and will not allow Forestavia's destructive behavior to run amuck.
I'd like to set the trial for tomorrow, 6:30PM EST, if you're all available then. We'll have to hold it here or in Mystical Council since Forest doesn't use Discord.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
You must have your role as Judicial President wrong. You are NOT in charge of security for the region.
no official powers; votes on constitutional violations, punishments, & rules on disputes over interpretation of the Constitution, can call for vote.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618
Do I though? 🤔
It would seem that regional security is a vested interest of not only the Judicial Council President, but [I]a long-standing member of the region and it's community.[/I]
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
*Whispers*
[I]And we don't have an official constitution yet.[/I]
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I feel very secure right now.
Malcholm
Security should go to [nation=short]alistia[/nation] until his term ends
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Me too. There are enough holes in the prosecution's case that this should be easy peazy.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Right, but that doesn't mean that we don't all hold a responsibility to maintain our region's security!
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I am working on a plan to get us some defenders in the event we are raided, but for right now I feel pretty vulnerable.
Malcholm
Really? The Emperor's got 9 solid endos. We gud m8.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Do you have any contacts from anticom or other organizations? We could use all hands on deck. I have a proposal coming out soon, I already outlined it with forest. However, I need the government to approve it. I will be back in 10-20 minutes.
Forestavia, Malcholm
I and bacon have 8. Still, remember trying to retake heroes rise? that was 15-20 raiders took it. Back soon
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Oh yeah... that's right. If that happens here then I'll just revive Oak. That Heroes Rise thing was an occupy, destroy, and refound mission. We tried so hard too with ORCA. We just didn't have the numbers.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
9 solid can be [I]very[/I] easily stepped on by a number of groups;; take, for example, The Grey Warden's continued defense of Atrigeas. The 10-11 endorsements we had on our point were very easily topped, though we did manage to take it back the very next update.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Then the prosecution moves to its original punishment:
[B]1.[/B] Abolishing the office of Emperor from [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]/Oakplumington, such that [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] will no longer directly (through the founder Oakplumington) or indirectly (by means of using others as his tools) attack, manipulate, destroy, or change anything with The Mystical Council, unless [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] is legally authorized by the legal and native executives of our goverment, to repel a raid attempt. This is the most important key to ensure this most recent attack never happens again.
[B]2.[/B] The prosecution also asks for [B]one[/B] of the following:
A) [B]The permanent ban[/B] of the nation [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] from the region (his other puppets are not to be banned) and the permanent barring of [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] from serving in the goverment, through any nation of his. However, should [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], through any nation of his, become delegate, then in the 6 months following the verdict of this case, he will be recognized as an illegal and non-native delegate, and his actions deemed invalid and the region should act to remove him from office. Following the 6 month period, he may be recognized as a legal delegate.
B) [B]A six month ban of[/B] the nation [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] from the region (his other puppets are not to be banned) and the permanent barring of [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and his co-conspirator lawyer [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] from serving in the goverment, through any nation of theirs. However, should [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] or [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], through any nation of theirs, become delegate, then in the 6 months following the verdict of this case, they will be recognized as an illegal and non-native delegate, and their actions deemed invalid and the region should act to remove them from office. Following the 6 month period, they may be recognized as a legal delegate.
That's a great idea! I never thought about running for delegate before! :)
That's what I'll do, I could be Emperor then....
*Looks about nervously*
Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland
that would be odd. I am going to campaign for it after [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] decides he does not want it anymore
Parakka Northland
*Darts around talking to imaginary dolphins*
I'd like to make an insanity plea.
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Viva Italia
Oh. Oh. Are you? Is that so, eh? Then you and I will be political opponents yet again. I will also be campaigning at that time. ;)
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I look forward to it. I will not begrudge it to you if you win though.
Parakka Northland
NOPE. Whether you take my deal or the deal of [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], henceforth the now on hiatus position of Emperor, will be abolished.
Malcholm
If you are still in TMC
Exotic Lemon
It is good to be in the company of a fellow statesman who cares for his country.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Or maybe I am an ambitious loser focused on a selfish power grab.
Forestavia, Malcholm
*Gulps*
Oh. That's right. That is a possibility.
*Shifts uncomfortably*
Come on Mugwop! Just drop the charges, already. It's baseless. Where will I go? What will I do if I am exiled from my home? What if - What if I - ahem - end up in one of those [I]graveyard regions[/I]?
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
That would make things - interesting.
Exotic Lemon
You can spend the rest of your days in MC, and if you interfere with poll operation there, we will abandon you and MC behind, and make another better secondary region... with blackjack and hookers.
Forestavia, Malcholm
After careful consideration, I have decided to retain Gyuamno as my representation. Although Lunar Council President [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] has advised against it, I feel that Gyuamno's thorough work on my case is unparalleled.
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Hold up. We don't have that here yet?
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
6:30. Tomorrow night. Could really use some blackjack right now to take my mind off of it. In all seriousness, [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation], that isn't a bad idea at all. I'm trying to think how we could play blackjack on NationStates. This could definitely boost regional culture. Might come out with a dispatch in a couple weeks.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
That would be cool, but I do not know how we would be able to do that.
Truxol
it might not be 9 for much longer. [nation=short]pepoana[/nation], [nation=short]fezchia[/nation], and [nation=short]ashah[/nation] ([nation=short]mugwop[/nation]) are all about to cte.
Malcholm
Interesting 66 RMB posts. I have an opinion about some of what I have read but I won't voice them as it will/could influence the trial.
On a serious note just encase I'm not around at 6:30 your time, if I'm called for the trial please telegram me your questions or quote me and I will respond at the 1st available opportunity.
Malcholm
Correction: [nation=short]gregorstan[/nation] is also about to cte, and [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] just checked Ashah.
Truxol
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=838265 proposal I would like tmc to vote on after elections and the trial are over.
Gyuamno, Truxol, Parakka Northland
On the note of elections,nobody ran for culture Minister...
Malcholm
mugwop nominated teurs
Viva Italia
Whilst I'm not against the idea at all for a temporary measure till something with the Regional Alliance or something else can be sorted. I have to ask (before someone else does) how would this measure relate to The Battle Guard?
Truxol
Oh.
Truxol
the battle guard would automatically be conscripted to join (if [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] also approves), everyone else can just pitch in to help. Also this allows allies to help instead of just members of the battle guard. Think of the battle guard as a standing army, and the militia is a group of volunteers joining temporarily to protect the country, then disband when it is over. As for the regional alliance, you know I am hesitant to consider after ORCA fell, but I think an alliance could be beneficial. The militia will be disbanded if threat levels are low or oak is revived. I think the militia and the regional alliance could work well together. It would take any alliance time to organize, whereas most of the militia members will hopefully be natives, already here and with influence. However, allied nations from other regions could take a while to reinforce, same as a regional alliance.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Thank you for the explanation it's much appreciated. I support the idea.
Malcholm, Truxol, Exotic Lemon
If it gets approved, would you or anybody else be interested in joining it?
Malcholm, Truxol
*raises hand*
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
As current delegate probably wouldn't be able to do much though I could move one of my nations in to gather some influence.
Exotic Lemon
As current delegate you are at a slightly higher risk of being overthrown, but also you have high influence already, and more importantly, I assume you would be willing to endorse another native should you be overthrown by a hostile delegate. Really any WA natives promising to support any native delegate is all that is needed. I encourage you and anyone else to join the militia (if it gets approved).
[nation=short]truxol[/nation], once we have 5ish members I will make a list. Which rank do you want?
Truxol, Parakka Northland
None of these are about to CTE. They got 2 more weeks at least.
For the regional alliance idea, I have a suggestion to pool here, especially since we also brought up the idea of regional military forces. Who do I pitch it to. :P
Malcholm
Put me down as culture minister. I'm starting the casino idea.
*shuffles cards*
Who wants to play?
Malcholm
Oh and it involves blackjack too. Though not multiplayer :P
Parakka, Malcholm, or myself. Did you say blackjack?
*pulls out the cards*
Parakka Northland
fake news
Malcholm
Misley go block Yuno some more. Let the little regions deal with their own affairs.
Misley! You're here. Quick - I need your testimony for the big trial. Meet my lawyer [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation].
Gyuamno
only if you hand over the nation "Oakplumington" who is wanted for high crimes against The Red Fleet's Lunar Admiral
Truxol
All you have to do is clarify for the court the fact that I accessed Oak to strip the delegate, "the Lunar Admiral", of their executive authority that time when you guys kept raiding us. February 2016.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
COTTON CANDY! BEER! PEANUTS! GET YOUR POPCORN HERE FOLKS! SOFT SERVE ICE CREAM HERE! TRY OUR ICE COLD LEMONADE!
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Truxol
Defender
Forestavia, Malcholm
I'm here for the soft serve
Forestavia, Malcholm
Present for the trial! Is Bacon on?
I've got connections, yes.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
What flavor?
Gyuamno
use the internet version.
i also agree the credentials shouldn't be handed to a fenda
Forestavia
>:0
Forestavia
TBH
Be
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Thats gonna need a regional vote.
i nominate lemon
The
Black
Hawks
Parakka Northland
Yes and no. The JB can rule the permanent removal of a person from office, but I guess we do need a regional vote to abolish the office itself entirely and make the delegate head of state.
Malcholm
Ladies and gentleman, boys and girls, I give you - Looooorrrrrrd Mugwooooop!
Malcholm
Or 'Emperor' Could be made into a real title, how about a title held to a delegate considered 'Legitimate' and who has ruled at least 3 months in the past year, and the title is held by 6 months.
So Parakka would be delegate/emperor, but if gyuamno took the delegate position again, parakka would still be 'emperor' so that the emperor doesn't change every time in a raid, and we can have a stable government (if a lot of delegate switch, our leader doesn't)
Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Vanilla, of course.
Malcholm, Truxol
Look here I'm not playing with you whatsoever. Don't you mess up.
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Delegate already has a title: Viceroy. Emperor should be abolished to remove any connotation associated with the office holder thinking "I'm the emperor I can do whatever I want"
Forestavia, Malcholm
Oops -
*Hides Hersheys Syrup*
Let me getcha a new bow.
"And now presenting the Honorable High Councillor, Juuuuudge New Bacooooonnnnn!"
New Bacon, Malcholm
Oops -
*Hides Hersheys Syrup*
Let me getcha a new bow.
"And now presenting the Honorable High Councillor, Juuuuudge New Bacooooonnnnn!"
New Bacon
"No worries my good sir, take your time!"
*places $5 in the tip jar*
Malcholm
Uh, I already won defense minister (barely, good job forest).
New Bacon
If you know anyone willing to help, please tell them to telegram me. Also, would you be interested in joining the militia if it passes?
New Bacon, Malcholm
Uh, thank you.
You want a bowl or a cone?
".... And now presenting the one and only President of the Lunar Council, Juuuudge Maaalllchoooolllllmmm!"
Malcholm
The Honorable Judge New Bacon
First off I would like to say, that the New Bacon Marshals are present and will be the enforcement arm of this trial. Anyone mess up will expect to get taken into custody. Let the trial begin.
Exotic Lemon
Is everyone on? Also, I will have to leave soon. I know it doesn't affect the trial but just a heads up
New Bacon, Malcholm
Suppose we should formally start this thing then? It seems that all are present.
Since the court has already heard/read the majority of the plaintiff's case and I've released my initial summary/etc., I'd like to start with the defense's statements. [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], what say you in response to the loaded allegations laid out by the plaintiff? Will you refute any part of my summary?
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
Everyone should be on it is understood that I was the only one they were waiting on???
Malcholm
You raise a good point. Someone could abuse their power. That would be baaaaaad. Maybe the Viceroy should be subservient to the Prime Minister?
We're good to go, the ball is in the defense's court. Let's see how they play it.
Is Truxol on?
New Bacon
Looks like he got off a few minutes before mal got on
New Bacon
Alright, I have to get off. I believe [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation] already has my testimony, in the event it is needed. Good luck to both sides.
Forestavia, New Bacon
viceroy was abolished and was for an assaistant
Parakka Northland
This should be occurring in Mystical Council, and it is tradition the plaintiff always goes first.
Cheers.
Militia?
check my factbook. Have to go. Bye.
New Bacon
I'm just in time….
New Bacon, Malcholm
gib a link
Well current protocol is that the delegate has a higher authority. However this only applies to a native delegate. A raider delegate has zero authority in the region's goverment and should be removed by endorsing a native citizen who has the current most amount of endorsements among the native citizens.
You are thinking Grand Duke https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=88379 The Viceroy title of the delegate is still active.
my god you are lazy. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=838265 Bye everyone!
Gyuamno, New Bacon
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