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Region: The Mystical Council
Due to lovely politics within the defender community, I'm going to have to move my WA again. If anyone needs verification of it's location for voting purposes, just ask and I will send you a telegram.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
The LC does have the ability to create legislation currently, though.
Civilisunio
Can I have an answer to my question please or should I start the elections on the 1st of December for the position of Prime Minister by putting up a candidate poll?
the elections are to start in late december, so that each cabinet member starts their term close to january
The Following Nations Have been added to the map
[nation=short]the Christonian imperium[/nation]
The Following Nations Removed
[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation]
Also western Austrailia is open and is no longer de jure of New Bacon. Eastern Austrailia is still de jure by New Bacon.
What's de jure?
de jure means by the right of or according to the law in Latin but used in English
Alistia, Parakka Northland
So sad that Lemon ceased.
And it was right around the same time as myself, we always did share things in common.
Alistia, New Bacon
You sir are a scoundrel.
Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
What if I asked to own western Australia?
Alistia
Oh you trifling for that. I repeat triflinnnnnnnng!
Alistia, Parakka Northland, Mugwop
You're a menace to society! And a saddle-goose, a whimpering saddle-goose!
Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Can you please create a schedule for the elections? So that we know that all the elections will be done by the end of December.
Alistia
Well I think the candidate poll should go up around the 1st because if the candidate poll is 3 days long and the election poll is 3 days long the polls will likely be finished on the 30th.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
That makes 0 sense. If we release the candidate poll on the 1st we will likely be done on the 4th then at the latest we will have the election 2 days after (AT THE LATEST) so then the poll would be done by the 11th or even the 20th at the very latest.
Could you please elaborate on your post?
Alistia
Sure
I meant all the ministers elections.If the candidate poll is 3 days long and the election poll is put up on that exact day it will mean we will probably be allocating 6 days per minister/prime minister.We have 4 ministers and 1 Prime minister so if we allocate 6 days each we get 30 days.
Alistia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
If we did one big candidate poll for every minister, then and then we did a poll for every minister for 3 days then that's around 18+3= 21enaing we would have an extra 10 days! We could do it the week after.
Alistia
The problem with that is people tend to want to change their minds after the event and what if someone wants to run for multiple roles? Basically to henge their bets so to speak, they wouldn't be able to do that with the system you are suggesting.
There is a case to be made for having political parties running for government rather than individuals with this type of government system, as then it would be up to the parties to sort out who would take what Minister position and elect their own party leaders. Then the delegate would play the role of Speaker of Parliament, which would be basically making sure that the government does its job and the opposition seeks to prove they would be better than the government.
As a side note I suspect if that ^^ was adopted then I think things would suddenly get real interesting in terms of politics of the region
Alistia, Civilisunio
I have already suggested many things in that terms like making political parties more prominent and that district idea.
The district idea was perhaps over complicating things somewhat, unless people were to be randomly put into districts to keep things equal then that might work instead of parties. Then each district would have to seek support from the other districts to get stuff done. Now that's an interesting idea
Alistia, Civilisunio
I think the candidate poll should be held [B]a week before end of term[/B].
In real life, elections are held and finalized for the coming term before the end of the current one. We should follow that model.
We should not do all of that AFTER the end of the term; that makes no sense.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Thats what I meant. Nobody would choose their district.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Unfortunately the current government didn't think about that. So on the 1st of December we will start a candidate poll for Prime minister, then hold an election etc. Then basically rinse and repeate till its all done
Why?
Why wait?
There's nothing in the current government system that'd strictly against that.
I know we have less than 1 week left till December, but I refuse to let a useless cycle to continue, therefore I break it.
Poll is up now.
Please send a regional mass telegram of this poll: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=75281
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Hey guys!!!
*Psst, don't tell [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] that I'm here.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Civilisunio
Post self-deleted by Barishmacht.
Okay so the poll is up now but to simplify things people elected as Ministers don't take office til January 1st
Alistia, Parakka Northland
You mean like a handover period?
Yes.It will make things simpler for when the next election will be.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Why?
This has nothing to do with the ministers, whom each began their office at a different period than each other. This is just the prime minister. [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] became the prime minister beginning of September. We voted for 3 month terms; the 3 months are out. Therefore we must not wait for January.
But I guess you want to standardize when terms began.
I propose this, with the current circumstances of 3 month term limits:
December 1 Prime Minister term begins.
January 1 Minister of Foreign Affairs term begins.
February 1 Defense Minister & Minister of Culture & Minister of Domestic Affairs term begins.
March 1 Prime Minister term begins.
[B]Alternatively to that mess, we can have this second proposal of mine:
[/B]
>December 1 Prime Minister term begins.
>January 1 Minister of Foreign Affairs term begins.
>February 1 Defense Minister term begins.
>March 1 Minister of Culture term begins.
>April 1 Minister of Domestic Affairs & Prime Minister term begins.
The cycle then repeats smoothly:
>May 1 Minister of Foreign Affairs term begins.
>June 1 Defense Minister term begins.
>July 1 Minister of Culture term begins.
>August 1 Minister of Domestic Affairs & Prime Minister term begins.
This however requires a 4 month term length, which y'all thought a 3 month term length is waaaaay better. Clearly not. For now We should have the elections for the prime minister in December. And if a bunch of you who voted for a 3 month term length like my second proposal, then maybe we can revisit the term length issue.
[*])I would like to run for the office of the Prime Minister of The Mystical Council
"Your vote has been lodged."
Parakka Northland
This does not mean I am suspending my campaign for delegate. I am doing this if I don't get the position or in the meantime. I can't pass up an opportunity like this.
Barishmacht, Parakka Northland
Didnt even read all that but basically all ministers were appointed in october. The whole point on the 3 month thing was to have it so that there will be 1 election for each quarter of 2017, so i am for waiting to actually apoint them all until the 31st.
Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Also, the majority of the region is for it, but we never voted on weather to merge defense and war into one.
Well Kaz was appointed earlier in October, Bacon and Viva were much later that month, and Bar was earlier this month.
So do you recommend a term reset on all of them and have them all on Jan 1st? We can do that I guess. Make December elections month and have the ministers start their terms Jan 1st. That has some benefits and some downfalls.
The Prime Minister's office though, if all other ministers are starting in the same day, I highly recommend that this one be different than the others. Have the Prime Minister offset 1 month before the rest. This way we can get a larger pool of people running for that very important office, and if they don't win, they still have the opportunity to run for 1 of the minister positions.
Trump can definitely sound like a politician when he wants too.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=221011881656117&id=100012419200820&fs=1
well all the ministers where appointed 'temporarily' by lemon at the same time, then actually voted in during october.
i don't think the pm office should be a month shorter, but it should be the first position to be voted on for the electorate candidates.
Viva Italia
like i said personally i dont mind the idea but i equally dont think it should be the focus of the region at this moment in time
I think that all of them should be voted on within their quarter, then the Delegate / Founder should appoint the new Ministers at the start of their quarter if that makes sense?
Alistia
well it is going to be elected soon, so we should decide what position is being elected.
Parakka Northland
keep it as minister of defence for now then once all the elections are done we can vote on that issue
[nation=short]Alistia[/nation] just to let you know [nation=short]Plugo[/nation] has been made a member of the Solar Alliance Security Council (SASC) till January. This was due to a member CTE and as Plugo was runner up in the last election it seemed only right to give you the position, rather than hold a whole new poll
Alistia
I have recently made a lot of promises that I have been told are vague. Well Civ is back here to tell you about my promise as delegate that will be my campaign agenda and with support from every branch it will get done.
This is what I want to do,ensure I will work with every branch to ensure that we draft an amazing constitution with the help of our cartographer and former delegate New bacon.
Your probably asking Hey, Civ, that's vague again why are you bring vague stuff back?
how will we draft the constitution? give an example of what will be in it.
Basic laws and rules to guide the judicial branch and a basis for the government to keep the government on track which I hope to include my pillars of democracy in as well.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland
This Prime Ministerial Election will be interesting.
Civilisunio
How so?
i think you mean your promise as prime minister?
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Yep. Sorry.
Parakka Northland
I have been so used to saying delegate.XD
Parakka Northland
Under the assumption that war and defense will be merged, i will not be running for re election as prime minister, and will be running for the war/defense minstry instead.
I have a lot of military experience.
I Used to run the Varangian Guard with Exotic Lemon, used to be a general in anticom, and currently i am heavily involved with the west pacifican military, and am establishing new relations with more raiding and defending militaries every day.
I will increase on and create better versions of our emergency incase tmc gets raided plan, and implement a DEFCON system, with different defcons for each danger/safety level
Gyuamno, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Well. My vote is with you. Could you give us a sense I'm how you would perform those actions?
Hey there, fancy seeing you in these parts. *spits on ground*
Joking, it's nice having you around. Welcome!
Hey, don't spit on the ground. The ground did nothing wrong to deserve something like your spit upon it.
*mutters*"You could have at least said bye!*stops muttering*
Also, [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], I have a job! I finished training ,and my first official day is Thursday. Scheduled for the dinner rush.
Forestavia
That's great! I gave myself the whole week off for Thanksgiving hehe. I just got back home a few hours ago, endured the ~5 hour drive bumper to bumper back home so now I just want to sleep. Welp, the week starts back up tomorrow. I'm sure you'll do great, just don't eat the ingredients :-P Got to LOVE the rush baby. That'll make the time go by faster, although might be harder to handle as it is your first day. Tomorrow I'll be having the rush, kind of looking forward to it.
Well, have fun sleeping. I have 4 days before I need to go in.
I'm getting 7.5 hours this week, but I am part-time after all.
Ah! Typo! Um, [nation=short]Alistia[/nation]! WFE = * Prime Minster Elections Happeneing Now region=the_mystical_council#poll
It should be "Minister" and "Happening"
Forestavia
Wow throwing me out already? I see...
Malcholm
*Glares*
*Walks to Gyuamno*
*Picks Gyuamno up*
*throws Gyuamno out*
Gyuamno, Malcholm
I did not say by the way that the PM should have a shorter term length. It's the same 3 months term, but the term begins a month earlier than the rest. Though having the PM elections before the others as you suggest can solve the problem.
So I guess we can have the PM and the rest of the ministers begin term on Jan 1st.
Side note however, by abstaining from the current poll, you are saying that you are not running. Is this your actual intention? [B]Are you sure of it?[/B] I personally would like you to run.
[B]Back on topic however, this is my new proposal[/B]: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=729713
It's a medium sized read [B]but I recommend that you all review it[/B].
Forestavia
I would call the new position if it is indeed merged, Military Minister.
Alistia
It would be easier now the government is established. So as such elections for the new ministers should take place in the final month of the current government. Then when the new quarter starts the new ministers are appointed. This would be the simplist solution
That's exactly why I made my proposal.
Still, while I think the election cycle proposal is as efficient and democratic as possible given what we have, I think it would have been better if we had only 3 election cycle (by making the terms 4 months) leaving us more time to focus on the region's other aspects. Though I guess we can revisit this issue after the end of this year.
Anyway, I hope we can approach the coming election season with the proposal I outlined, at least as an experiment. It's the best idea we got right now in order to keep things organized, without jeopardizing democracy and fair opportunity. And if all goes well, we can make it the standard for later elections.
sup
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Barishmacht, Civilisunio
I trust by now you have all seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9t-slLl30E
Forestavia, Malcholm
@newbacon if elected PM will you be active in the region?
And how has your construction of the constitution been going?
Forestavia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]new_bacon[/nation]
Alistia, Parakka Northland
malcholm you should run for pm
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
Yes I will be active; it will be about another 3 to 4 weeks before I start again to finish it.
Forestavia, Alistia
He's hardly active these days. Come to think of it, the whole of the LC is hardly active these days.
Malcholm
Stand corrected active as I can. I do have several regional laws in mind. Only two have been stated in discord.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Malcholm's still active. He's been doing a lot of defending lately.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Since when?
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620
Wouldn't that interfere with the legislature's role?
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Good catch! (And welcome to the region!)
Can someone with appearance fix those typos?
Malcholm
All I did was follow [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation].
But I am glad to be here.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland
Hmmm, maybe he is a good choice.
He has a long record and he is consistent throughout.
I made a mistake when I made the current poll. I forgot to add a "write in" option; it's best to have that option on candidacy poll from the beginning rather than later on the election poll. Will keep that for future record.
I will add my name as a placeholder for [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] in the meantime.
[B]To everyone else:[/B]
If there is someone that you would like to run for PM, beside yourself, please reply to this post.
Alistia, Malcholm
You have become one of The Enlightened Ones.
Alistia
I've always been enlightened.
The quest of enlightenment is to not be taken lightly.
-- unrelated note: I love and hate the rain. If only my stuff didn't get wet as I walked :-/
Well, I am literally on the edge of wifi, so my posts may be sporadic.
Also, it is raining here too
The dreaded wifi. So convenient but when it doesn't work there's pandemonium.
I rather have it be snowing than rain but oh well. Time to go walk in the rain. :-P
If there wasnt wifi, then Id just read a book.
What books do you like to read?
Uh...everything fiction. Mystery crime fantasy scifi stuff like that.
Alistia
i like sci-fi, fantasy, political, post-apocalyptic, historical.
Back
Alistia
for how long?
Trudged forth through the rain, only once more I need to go out to get food.
I read mostly nonfiction.
There are few sci-fi books I like. Are you familiar with the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov? Great books.
Post-apocalyptic is a neat subject matter and historical as well. I am especially fond of the Medieval period.
Once again, if you are interested in sci-fi check the Foundation series if you have not already.
Alright, the candidacy poll concludes with candidates [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], and write in candidate [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]. Election poll will be held on Thursday December 1st. Until then, if any of you would like to nominate another person, please reply to this post.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
A month or so
So........We have a new WAD....
Malcholm
In light of this, [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation], I assume you withdraw your bid for PM?
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
Yep.:)
Gyuamno, Malcholm
malcholm doesn't want to run, he said so in discord
Malcholm, Civilisunio
Post self-deleted by Mugwop.
Very well, could you please temporarily reinstitute poll authority for me. I put forth my proposal for the elections and I would like to carry out my duty through it. I don't want to just leave a job undone.
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
Hmmm, I will put forth his name nonetheless. On the chance that he does win the vote and still doesn't want it, he can still reject the postion and it will go to the person in second place.
Alistia, Malcholm
I'll run now I'm not delegate
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
I officially endorse parakka for the prime minister.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
As do I
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
I select [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] for grand duke if he wishes to accept.
Forestavia, Alistia, Barishmacht
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