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Region: The Mystical Council
Who would be the dominant district?
Lampar
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=692635
Forestavia
They act as equals most of the time, but it would be somewhat more prestigious to be in the lower number districts.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
So if I am saying this correctly, Spectrum would become a district?
Exotic Lemon
No...
Nations are just affiliated with Districts.
So, you can be in both a district and a political party.
But, nations MUST be in a district.
Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
So I am head of district 1? I would like to start recruiting now then
Lampar
Go ahead.
The heads of the districts also form the Ministry of Districts.
Exotic Lemon
Can I interest you in joining my district?
Lampar
Then they are like different colors I suppose?
Lampar
Before we get carried away with this, shouldn't this be voted on by the House of Commons and the House of Lords, first?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Why don't you just pass a Royal decree? Your truce is over soon enough anyway
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Sorry, but I'm also Rep for District 8.
I forgot to mention, that if a district doesn't get a sufficient number of nations by a certain time then that district will be disbanded.
You need 2 nations, but the deadline isn't for a long time, since the districts just started.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Is that a challenge?
I guess...
Republic Of Greater Cuba
No. For once I actually want you to use it, actually reform the government instead of wasting time
SHOTS FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forestavia
Byt would it work well, feel really social class like
Lampar
It was not shots fired. My magazine is fully loaded.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Oh no...The District Uprising is beginning.
Next thing you know we will be having yearly killing games.
I'm not going to violate the region's trust. I've already promised no decrees for the truce.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
The hunger games called, they want their government structure back
Lampar
We can get rid of the thing that says lower districts are less..."popular".
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
That's where I got the idea, lol.
You mean tyranny of the majority?
cuba, tyranny was your specialty back in bunicken. Please sit down.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Lampar
Indeed it was.
The District method is what's going to give every district equal share for the people's say.
Exotic Lemon
tyranny of the majority involves a scenario in which a majority places its own interests above those of a minority group, constituting active oppression comparable to that of a tyrant or despot. My party in Bunicken was mainly headed by me and once I got a high enough position I disbanded it, makeing me then technically a dicator, it wasn't the majority that totally wanted it, it was mainly me
Exotic Lemon
I started fixing up this dispatch. It still needs a lot of work but it's getting there.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=497274
(This can be found under Regional Government at the Info Center)
Parakka Northland
Does anyone agree with me that this would be the democratic way to handle Lampar's proposal? Before we jump right into it. The people should have a voice in this, shouldn't they?
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
District 8 is neutral on the matter.
Exotic Lemon
I support it. Also, I just wrote this https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=692771
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
I do.
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]lampar[/nation] would you like to apply to be a diplomat? https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=692771
Forestavia, Lampar, Parakka Northland
Yes I would.
Parakka Northland
Very good so what do you think we should do first? Should we hold elections first or should we vote on these District and Diplomat proposals?
I dont really care.
Parakka Northland
Neither do I. But I think a lot of people are craving elections.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I am
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
quiet
I'm still on. I'm doing a lot of fixing up with the regional info center.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
why?
It needs work. It's starting to look decent now.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
I see. So have we ditched the who monarchy thing? I am confused
Parakka Northland
No, we are still a constitutional monarchy. What did you read that caused confusion?
Republic Of Greater Cuba
what if god is an alien O.O!
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio
Ancient Aliens
Civilisunio
Technically he is because he isn't from earth but you know what i mean!XD
Republic Of Greater Cuba
has [nation=short]lampar[/nation] made any dispatch about his districts thing yet?
asked him 11 times and still no reply...........
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Yep. It's under Proposals at the Info Center.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=649808
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
131 messages... Not reading all of that.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
I put a lot of work into this region, today. I'm signing off.
Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Want to know why embassies with Bunicken is still denied? Refer to this poll a while back.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=58615
Republic Of Greater Cuba
What if the government is, way more scientifically advanced than we think and Thats what ufo's are and area 51!??!!?!?
Lazarus and hosp are the same person
New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio
They are mostly puppets
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
no, only one vote in that poll is a puppet.
that was already known when the poll was made.
Exotic Lemon
I login and there is +600 RMB posts that I missed. Bruh, I sure am glad that I'm not part of the government anymore.
Anyway, in the matter of the current poll, let the record indicate that I am slightly in favor of [nation=short]Plugo[/nation]'s dispatch. My only issue with it is that it was not voted on democratically, and this issue is now fixed. If there's something else very important that I should know about from the past +600 posts, please send me a link to it on telegram.
Forestavia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
Great idea but in your dispatch can you add some more meat to the bones. For example, how does it work? What's the purpose? Terms and conditions? Etc.
It would make it easier to understand, rather than trying to peace it all together via messages on the RMB. Thank you
Forestavia
That means they are not equal.... which will make it difficult to actually get recruits to join the lower ones, plus might over complicate things (if I understand things correctly)
Hello [nation=short]the_christonian_imperium[/nation]!
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Welcome!
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
You should be able to vote in the poll above since you have WA here.
Northwest Germania
Or what if it's us from the future coming back to the past for some reason???
Civilisunio, Northwest Germania
:0. And ufo's are actually time machines! That makes sense.
Northwest Germania
I know he cheated the vote that time
Exotic Lemon
For the people who haven't voted or are unable to vote in the poll above I have Mugwop, Rondaland, and myself all voting in favor of Plugo's dispatch.
Is there anyone who wants to run against New Bacon and Plugo for the position of Prime Minister? Elections are soon.
Exotic Lemon
Voted, I just forgot :}
Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
[spoiler=Attention Lunar Councillors!]
[nation=short]AU912 Mystical Council Consulate[/nation]
[nation=short]Republic of Greater Cuba[/nation]
[nation=short]Parakka Northland[/nation]
[nation=short]Teurs[/nation]
[nation=short]Kazukame[/nation]
[nation=short]Plugo[/nation]
[nation=short]Dosh Semiw[/nation]
[/spoiler]
This is something to put in the back of your minds. The other day we discussed at the meeting the possibility of reducing the size of the Lunar Council down to five. We currently have seven. It's still early in the elections process so we don't have to do anything yet but I was thinking that if any of you win an election over the next few weeks it would probably be wise to submit a resignation so that we can shrink it down a little.
With the passing of Plugo's dispatch, I too think 5 is better than 7. It's just too many people otherwise.
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon
What's going on with the district idea that was voiced last night?
We still need to discuss how it's going to work with the current system. I'm guessing if we pursue it that we would break up both the House of Lords and Commons into districts. Personally, I think it might make our lives more complicated.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
AU912's Dispatch: Malcholm, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland, and AU912 ANTICOM Expeditionary Force.
Plugo's Dispatch: Kazukame, Anahuac Empire, Illfated, Exotic Lemon, New Bacon Special Operations Command, Naumadal, and Mugwop. Plus Rondaland and Forestavia
Abstain: The Christonian Imperium and Civilisunio.
Vote Final after Emperor's Audit.
4 - 9 - 2
Civilisunio
What are the candidates' positions on the proposals that are currently being debated?
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=649808
I find it somewhat difficult, all we are doing is just grouping people up for no good reason, and everyone has different views and ideologies, you cant or anyone else reading about this argue about that. It's like what the Europeans did after decolonization, left their former colonies with the same borders that included groups that didn't like each other. They just drew a line and thought all would be fine, that is what we are doing, I am not saying this will fail, but in the end, it sounds really role-play like and may pontetinally cause separatism, dis-connectivity, and more corruption
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
It can all be summed up in one word: Pillarisation
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=692635
i find it troubling that lampar has already decided who will be the district reps, without any elections or voices from other people.
It also doesn't explain anything about districts, just the positions.
Forestavia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
United we stand, divided we fall
what does that have to do with my previous comment?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio
Shows that no matter what we do, no matter how many proposals are created or how many elections are held, there will always be a problem with our government, from us having voting rights becoming increasingly brutal in an attempt to audit the polling system (unconfirmed results), to dealing with someone as the Emperor or us yelling at each other about different councils, at this point I would not care if we mainly just made the government so small and weakened it so much that we become in a way stateless
Forestavia
Most positions of authority that would exist are very limited in power and would not be permanently-held positions; and social bodies that resolve disputes through predefined rules would be small. It would be highly helpful in organization and cultural practices
in fact political parties themselves would be like their own districts, making laws suitable to themselves, and making there own mini armies if they choose to, the government itself would be the smallest, but a center of unity in times of desperation
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
pretty sure I just pissed off 80% of the people here since there government positions would become almost meaningless due to their power being weakened or becoming removed
In accordance with the judicial branch, if i win my seat will cease to exist.
Kazukame, Forestavia
Excellent. It seems we're on the same page here. So just to be absolutely clear it should be illegal for a member of the Judicial Branch to also hold an office in the executive branch as a minister, Delegate, Grand Duke, Emperor, etc.?
Hey i was removed from government and frankly hold a temporary position with unknown direction at present, so i dont really mind if my position was nullified
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Northwest Germania
Keep this idea in your back pocket. I would be happy to explore this with you as a side project. Right now we have a constitutional monarchy - and we should give it a fair chance. But if four months pass and for some reason we have to go back to the drawing board, this idea might be something to bring up then. You could be Johnny on the spot!
I am also working on a similar side project called the Founder's Emergency Constitution. It's basically a simple two-branch government system where you would have the People's Branch (Registered Voters not elected to office) and a thirteen member Lunar Council.
It's good to have a backup plan, just in case. But I think this Constitutional Monarchy thing might actually work out. After we get through elections, I would like to see us put Plugo's dispatch through another round of editing so that we can expound on it and include those details that we are uncertain of yet.
Parakka Northland, Northwest Germania
[nation=short]republic_of_greater_cuba[/nation] you do love to exaggerate things don't you?
"increasingly brutal attempt to audit the polling system"
How is it brutal at all?
And you have been whining about it for days, but when the people that it affects where asked, they all liked the new system, so please stop crying...
I'm not sure who Viceroy Exotic Lemon will choose to appoint for the office of Grand Duke. Grand Duke is an appointed office basically equivalent to the Secretary Delegate position.
Since you are currently the Acting Secretary Delegate, I'm assuming that you are probably at the top of the list for Lemon's choices but who knows? We shall see.
The question I have for you is if you are awarded the position of Grand Duke, will you resign from the Lunar Council?
Exotic Lemon, Rondaland
To be completely honest, I don't expect to be keeping my current position once the government is fully installed. Equally I'm not sure the Lunar Council really has much purpose under the new system, as we would have no way of actually enforcing our rulings, and if you were on their and used the founder nation to enforce a ruling then those in government would call foul.... So I think, I'm going consider stepping down from government for a time and just be a loud mouth region member for a bit.
You have to telegram me to apply to be grand duke. That way only people who want it will have a chance to be picked
Forestavia
That may be best. The Lunar Council has traditionally had more authority in the past. However, even with access to only judicial authority, the rulings of this branch should be respected by the other branches. Perhaps we can incorporate a mechanism to make sure their rulings are carried out. My interference would be an absolute last resort but I can't rule out that possibility either. It's going to be really interesting to see how all of the different parts of government work together.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Rondaland
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] I'm working on a project as Well. Its going to be huge. Ill announce it and "hype" it if its even possible.
Rondaland
Resignation from the LC should be compulsory for anyone that has an appointed position.
Sent you a telegram, might as well see if I can retain my temporary position
Civilisunio
why is it that vaspassia and frankiestine always come from the battle guard and vote for bacon/exotic during polls?
Parakka Northland
Because we can
Vaspassia still in The Battle Guard. I've been a resident of this region.
Civilisunio
Because we can
Civilisunio
He is still their for now.
I know you where once a resident here, but i asked why you always come back during elections just to vote foe exotic/bacon.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
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