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Region: The Mystical Council
LOOOL there's this parking garage I park in but I think I'm totally not allowed to. Haven't been towed yet, knock on wood!
Terran Flux
A day late and a dollar short but happy Rosh Hashanah too.
OOC:
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I can always approve people. I remember I had to get reapproved after I came back from my retirement
Terran Flux
long time natives and even normal natives shouldnt' lose citizenship whenever they go for a raid, that's not what the law was proposed as when voted on.
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Hi guys, hope you're well!
Gyuamno, Forestavia
It's an outrage I'm tellin' you! Gerissa has to sign in more often than 26 days? I have to sign in every 59? There's no consistency! And the government has gone beyond its original role in telling other nations when they have to log in, how often they must be active, how many RMB posts takes them from suspected sleeper status to mere puppet status. The Rights of Nations belong to all of us! Not some us, some of the time, in some ways. All of us, all the time in all ways. We the people need to overthrow this government! We need to reassert our rights!
(OOhhh edit feature)
How long will it be before they give us our rights as a reward for conforming to unspoken codes of conduct? How long will it be before we had to "earn" our rights? We're on a slippery slope to tyranny!
*Pounds fist on table*
Gyuamno, Alistia
I agree. They should tell us (or someone trusted) where there WA is located during these raids so their vote counts.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
Did I miss a mention?
Don't think so. Since you seem very busy (you only check every 3-4 days as of recently) I appointed Mugwop to a temporary position just to keep polls on track. Last time I set up the poll I forgot people, and alistia tends to be alistia and be bad at polling.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Ah, good. I would to speak to you, oh Great and Wonderful Viceroy, about something near and dear to my heart. We need to add another right to the Basic Rights of Nations.
"Each nation shall have the right to cease to exist if they so choose."
It's basic, elementary. The Lunar Council has overstepped their bounds and no one is outraged about this. There hasn't even been a sniff of revolution or a whiff of protest! They should have banned me when they had the chance. It would've been easier!
Gyuamno
Then get yourself approved as has been to the case with other no WA nations.
NO NO NO NO NO. My clock doesn't start until October 1st. You have to do without me till then.
Exotic Lemon
Aha! This is exactly what I'm talking about. The unspoken rules must be lost if we are to survive as a region. Lemon did the same by banning all those nations. That pirate nation was also given a hard time for not "fitting" in according to the unwritten code. It's time for a revolution! Activity can't be measured by the number of posts or issues answered. Maybe Gerissa would have been a good leader. Now we'll never know!
I need some tea. No celery though, I'm already fired up enough this morning.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
Then I need someone. Alistia doesn't want it. I can't do it, I probably won't be on much at all tomorrow. Forest can't do it.
Alistia, Terran Flux
Forest do you agree with the fact we need a polling scheduler?
Terran Flux
The problem is we need more nations with polling authority. Sort of like how we used - ah forget it.
*Sips tea*
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
What's the next poll we're looking at? I'll do it right now.
Terran Flux
I don't know to be honest. Mugwop knows, which is why I gave him the position in the first place.
Terran Flux
At the request of Mugwop, he has been relieved of election scheduler. I need a new one if anyone is willing, unless forest wishes to take control of the election schedule
Terran Flux
If only there was a schedule somewhere
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=743586
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I'll take control for a day.
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Mugwop did I ever mention you are one of my favorite people here? Man I feel dumb right now.
I think I should be sacrificed in a pit of celery deep in the heart of a volcano
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
You and I will both be. IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!
Exotic Lemon
i trust none of u
maybe u forest
Forestavia, Terran Flux
I appreciate that. It might come in handy.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
You're a handy guy Forest, may you guide us through these trying times.
I will do my best to. The fact is it's been a year and we have not formalized this government that we have yet. It's been a year and we're still operating off of a framework that is loosely based off of a framework written by AU912. The fact is that this temporary government that we have is not a bad government but still I would like to see something a little more formal than a framework. It doesn't have to be written in legalese. Just something a little more formal than a framework. Maybe something with paragraphs... I'm cranky today.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
I agree, we need solid structure to our government! Clear and well defined positions and their responsibility. Not a one sentence vague description as we have now. This would be work to accomplish, but it seems no one here cares and is all about the status quo!
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Yet the simplest structures seem too difficult to follow.
3 hours ago: The Federal Empire of Forestavia created a new regional poll: "Prime Minister Elections".
>"Prime Minister Elections".
>"Prime Minister Elections"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really Forest? PM Elections? Like the one we already had?
Elections still to be done:
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Culture, and Judicial Council (Terran Flux seat still remains empty) Candidacy election in MC, election poll in TMC.
Could it be that it is too difficult to follow due to the lack of organization and well-defined system?
Classic Forest being a goober
You're exactly right. I'd volunteer but my constitution was rejected in August of 2016. Bacon tried and his still hasn't been accepted so as far as I'm concerned that's a big regional nay right there. It's been a year and we're still operating off of a temporary framework. So now here's what I'm thinking... The next time I log onto Oak, the next time a government body forces me to log onto Oak, the next time I am shamed, guilted, manipulated, or threatened into logging back onto Oak, it will be a new day here in The Mystical Council. The Founder will be taking back some powers for himself for once. That's where my mind is at today. I'm not sure where I'm going with this yet. I'm not sure what new world awaits us when Oak returns. But I can tell you this, it's going to be different.
Case in point: My first act after bringing Oak back was to appoint every regional newspaper to a position with polls and appearance so that they could more effectively do their jobs. Seconds later Delegate Alistia reverses the action. Nothing wrong with reversing my action, but I'm just looking at this from a transparency-hey-let's-do-the-people-of-TMC-a-favor kind of a thing and give them access to news.
I was just following the clearly marked schedule of elections. :)
I don't know. Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Maybe I woke up in the wrong bed. Maybe there wasn't even a bed! But my point today is that things are just a little off around here. That's all.
If I'm not mistaken the poll should be for a judicial councilor seat. Sept 17th was the date and I don't think we have had that yet.
When people fail at doing something here, they just hit the breaks and never try again. The Constitution is dead in the water at this point as it fell out of relevance months ago. Bacon or whoever proposed it/helped should have done a better job pushing it and promoting it (not throwing stones). Instead, it feels like when someone gets told no, they completely abandon the project. Come on people, you got to try and put a little effort into it! We can't just blindly agree to every proposal.
Maybe Oak does need greater authority as if things are not sorted out by then, he can take the appropriate action by overhauling the system.
Gyuamno it works fine :P
We had a list of trusted natives that could vote without being in the wa 24/7, and I was on it.
And speaking of telling the govt the wa spot, it could work in some circumstances, but if I raid every day then i will constantly have to spam them telling them where my wa is every night, and a raid could be 50 puppets a night, so 50x7=amount of telegrams govt will get.
And some sleeper operations are secret, no one is supposed to know.
Thats why Lemon made you a pollster, but you refused so....
What do you mean that au912 made...
I made the current system ;(
Some election operations could be secret too though. Get my drift.
What do you mean?
Forestavia make a poll already
How quickly we forget. You reformed the system that we voted for originally which was designed by AU912. I just want sentences. I don't really even want paragraphs. Take your framework and put it into sentences.
election rigging
Forestavia
?
What does election rigging have to do with not exposing your wa when on a sleeper operation?
In a minute.
if someone joins the region, says they're on a "super duper secret sleeper operation", by your logic they can vote because they do not have to expose their WA in such a circumstance.
Well that person who you had not disclose their WA is actually a raider who wants to influence our elections.
Because there is still confusion about elections years after this region has been founded I think it's time to take the hardline. No matter who you are or how long you've been here if your WA isn't present in the region at the close of a poll then your vote will not count. I'm going to try to push to make this law.
Gyuamno
There, even I the founder can't vote because I too am on a super secret mission.
Gyuamno
LOL me too ;-)
Don't worry. We have four days. I added an extra day for those of us with military priorities. And one can always ask a WA member nation to nominate them.
I was talking about [U][B]NATIVES[/B][/U], not some random guy who just joined.
What about equality? Huh? It shouldn't matter how new or old you are the same rules should still apply, right?
Gyuamno
I will approve any and all natives that wish to move their wa to raid. I will go ahead and approve you
Alistia, Terran Flux
I would like to nominate Illfated
Forestavia, Alistia, Terran Flux
Can I have the definition of a native please? Like here in the good old TMC, what does it mean when we use the word "native"?
Gyuamno, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Certainly a native NEVER betrayed their region before. We can not pick and choose who the law applies to, we should all share the collective responsibility to abide by the laws, regardless of status.
Forestavia, Terran Flux
citizens under malchoms dispatch, unless they are under 1 month here
Terran Flux
At the risk of being hung drawn and quartered with the government system we have here it would make sense to have political parties! one election and done. Obviously the parties would need some sort rules to ensure that people were treated fairly and that the leader of the party was elected by its members and not simply appointed by virtual of starting the political party. In addition if someone wanted to run as an independent then their would need to be rules surrounding that. We could also leave the Lunar Council elections as they are as its pretty easy to remember them.
Now im going to run for the bunker and not come out till people offer me a cup of coffee and a biscuit
Forestavia
A worse idea I never heard.
1 singular election of a party and they get to full the entire government? That is horrible. No thanks.
Alistia, New Bacon, Terran Flux
bb pls you always choosing forest over me
Gyuamno
I like the idea of political parties.
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
:O
u always have my heart bb
Terran Flux
Parakka Northland I have to agree with Mugwop on this one. Political Parties are just more chaos.
Forestavia whose seat is up? I strongly think it's my seat. I've been judge for three months.
No, this region isn't communist.
Those who are trusted and have invested a lot of time in this region should be able to raid and not expose their wa's.
We even have/had a system where certain nations where on a 'list' of natives that allowed them to still be full citizens if they where raiding.
Like me, chingis and malch (fending in malchs case)
We used to have parties, but they didn't really have a function as a party can only have a certain amount of 'policies' and such to be based on.
its truxols since he has a current govt position.
New Bacon
I'm deleting this poll since its restricted to wa nations only.
I tried to make a law saying that only wa nations could vote before, and it failed horribly.
Forestavia is trying to curb voting rights, and I WILL NOT stand for it.
welp, applied for a new job. send your energy this way!!1111!111
Alistia, Terran Flux
Wait. What am I being nominated for?
Judiciary
(job doesn't involve much unless their is an active case, if there is one you would just have to discuss with the other judges over time if any wrongdoing happened and if any punishment is warranted)
Gyuamno
We had political parties way back. They really didn't do anything significant, so I wouldn't be against them necessarily.
Do you trust me?
I go through 60 - 120 pups any given raid day. If they want, I could always give them that many tg's.
So, Imma agree with Alistia here.
Alistia
Well I was thinking about running for Culture Minister but in the interest of serving TMC I shall accept Lemons gracious nomination. (starts shopping on Amazon for a powdered wig)
Alistia, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
I'm not saying I don't disagree but this election system is horrendous and something needs to be done about it. As there is about 8 polls to sort out the governemtn which is way to many.
Gyuamno, Forestavia
I agree
You pizza making folk are a different breed
Terran Flux
*government
So...you do trust me?
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
That question is up in the air at this juncture
Terran Flux
Alright well let's see if y'all can do this.
IN TWO DAYS
There should be in election for the JB seat here.
And a candidacy poll for Minister of Foreign Affairs in MC (Make sure to make it public so we can vote)
And a region wide telegram should be sent informing the region about it.
It's so simple. Can you all do this?
If I make the poll then I'm going to make it WA only in the interests of election integrity. So let's all hope I don't make it!
Gyuamno
Besides every time I do something around here someone undoes it or redoes it.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
Our government system shouldn't be this confusing and it's partly my fault for letting it get that way.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Oh and by the way, we still do have political parties. They just aren't very active. Malcholm runs the Pyroshkianist Party.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
And Gyuamno runs the communist party.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Why so many dispatches?! Someone give me appearance!!! Ugh.
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Stronk glorious revolution is in our future dear comrades!
Join Our People's Communist Party™ today for great politik involvement!
Terran Flux
Oak's regional info center, and your government page should be the only ones tbh
every other one can be accessed in one way or the other thru those 2
New Bacon, Terran Flux
and wtf is this confession and interrogation shizz
LOL
Alistia, Terran Flux
The TMC Inquisition will set our dissidents straight.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
Gladly. *dons robe*
We will strike at the heart of these traitors
Terran Flux
I gotchu bro.
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Terran Flux
All four of those dispatches are being used right now. Leave them up.
Terran Flux
mucho gracis senior lemon you cleaned 'er up real good
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
I technically inherited Naumadal's old solidarity bloc party. Although I think only myself and maybe illfated didn't cte or give away their account
Forestavia, Alistia, Terran Flux, Illfated
Just in case our government falls apart I'm working on a constitution. Not one that we will vote on - one that we will start with. So if there are any imperfections in the system let's fix them before the system crashes.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=608752 is it. I guess there are more old members than I thought.
Terran Flux
I forgot about the Solidarity Bloc! That's right! Bring 'em back!
Gyuamno, Alistia, Exotic Lemon
With naumadal gone, I am going to recreate the party should we bring back political parties.
Forestavia
i sent u stronk telegram
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Stronk it was dear comrade! Stronk it was.
Terran Flux
If I remake the solidarity block, I will see about adding a communist wing if you and terran want to join
forest you should check oak and claim land in tmc warzone
Gyuamno
Is stronk party
Gyuamno
I'm already involved with an RP that I barely have time for. I've been RPing a single day in Parakka's region for four months. Maybe once things slow down with my RP over there I will engage in another one. I'm trying to reduce my responsibility load though.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
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