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Mugwop wrote:First, my apologies on missing "I know this seems like a lot of power for one minister to have (we can add checks and balances like delegate approval or something)." I honestly missed that. It was late at night when I read it, but as long as you got a checking process, yeah I'm all for it.

As to the matter of office powers, my main concern is not that everyone should have 2 office powers. My main concern is that everyone should have the same number of office powers. So why not push for every minister having 3 office powers?

Explain to me how the minister of defense having 3 office powers while the others have 2, is a better idea than all the ministers having 3 office powers?

And it's not just a question of "fair" it is a question of the ministers having the proper powers to do their duties.

As I said before, just as you find it limiting right now to not have appearence powers, it was extremely limiting to me as Minister of Domestic Affairs to not have appearence powers. Likewise I imagine that the postion of Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Culture would greatly benefit from having poll powers, to gather opinion on our international relations, and on activity to have in the region.

So if you agree with that notion, push for all ministers having 3 office powers. This way you get to fix ALL 4 ministries, instead of just 1.

If I ever became delegate, it was my intention to push for more powers. Technically, I already have appearance (via TMC News Agency) but that is kind of a shady way to do my job, and I only used it once. I think that 3 powers is fair to all positions, maybe even 4 for a big position like domestic minister (I am considering running for it when my term ends). When I was culture minister, then-delegate [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] was kind enough to give me polls, enabling me to do my job much better. I would support your entire point of adding 3 powers to all positions and maybe even 4 for domestic or something

Alistia, Barishmacht, Terran Flux, Mugwop

Exotic Lemon wrote:If I ever became delegate, it was my intention to push for more powers. Technically, I already have appearance (via TMC News Agency) but that is kind of a shady way to do my job, and I only used it once. I think that 3 powers is fair to all positions, maybe even 4 for a big position like domestic minister (I am considering running for it when my term ends). When I was culture minister, then-delegate [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] was kind enough to give me polls, enabling me to do my job much better. I would support your entire point of adding 3 powers to all positions and maybe even 4 for domestic or something

Approved

Alistia, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

Barishmacht wrote:Approved

Hey thanks for breaking the law to let me have polls power back when I was culture minister

Alistia, Barishmacht, Terran Flux

[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] has been inactive for 39 days

Malcholm, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] has been inactive for 39 days

He logs in every couple of days to see things. Call him from Discord, he said that he gets notifications from there quickly.

Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Do I spend too much money on defence forces? Yes, is it nice having more nukes then I do citizens? Yes.

Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Terran Flux wrote:Do I spend too much money on defence forces? Yes, is it nice having more nukes then I do citizens? Yes.

Kim Jong Un

Donald Trump

[nation=short]Terran Flux[/nation]

Which of these 3 people will start the thermo-nuclear war?

The world will await this coming hell.

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

[nation=short]zuthra[/nation] has smelly feet

Terran Flux

Mugwop wrote:Why did you die my brother?

You mean my nation?

Well I died probably 3 times in this region and that was due to a lack of time for me

Ififififif wrote:You mean my nation?

Well I died probably 3 times in this region and that was due to a lack of time for me

It's good to have you back! :)

Ififififif

Gyuamno oozes culture.

Gyuamno, Terran Flux

[nation=short]Alistia[/nation] you put me down for running in the above poll, when I indicated that I wouldn't be lol

Gyuamno

Parakka Northland wrote:[nation=short]Alistia[/nation] you put me down for running in the above poll, when I indicated that I wouldn't be lol

Congratulations! You are the unwilling candidate. You never know. Crazy things happen in this region. You could win!

Alistia, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

Mugwop wrote:First, my apologies on missing "I know this seems like a lot of power for one minister to have (we can add checks and balances like delegate approval or something)." I honestly missed that. It was late at night when I read it, but as long as you got a checking process, yeah I'm all for it.

As to the matter of office powers, my main concern is not that everyone should have 2 office powers. My main concern is that everyone should have the same number of office powers. So why not push for every minister having 3 office powers?

Explain to me how the minister of defense having 3 office powers while the others have 2, is a better idea than all the ministers having 3 office powers?

And it's not just a question of "fair" it is a question of the ministers having the proper powers to do their duties.

As I said before, just as you find it limiting right now to not have appearence powers, it was extremely limiting to me as Minister of Domestic Affairs to not have appearence powers. Likewise I imagine that the postion of Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Culture would greatly benefit from having poll powers, to gather opinion on our international relations, and on activity to have in the region.

So if you agree with that notion, push for all ministers having 3 office powers. This way you get to fix ALL 4 ministries, instead of just 1.

I fully support this idea. There are several times when I needed to use appearance powers as Domestic Minister and I couldn't do it. We've been sticking with this new government for about a year now. I think now is a good time to look at fixing anything that isn't working and improving upon the current system.

Alistia, Terran Flux

Forestavia wrote:Gyuamno oozes culture.

How many incest riddled stories has he written? None.

[nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] has at least several intercit incest plots.

Support incest royalty RP's. Vote for [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation]

Alistia, Terran Flux

ty [nation=short]alistia[/nation] for updating the world factbook entry, the current events were months old!

Alistia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Who to pick, who to pick.....

Gyuamno, Alistia, Terran Flux

Forestavia wrote:Congratulations! You are the unwilling candidate. You never know. Crazy things happen in this region. You could win!

I was a somewhat unwilling candidate for my only term as lunar councilor (back when they had all the power).

Gyuamno, Alistia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:[nation=short]Alistia[/nation] you put me down for running in the above poll, when I indicated that I wouldn't be lol

yeah but someone wanted you on the ballot :P

Gyuamno, New Bacon, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Post self-deleted by Gyuamno.

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Who to pick, who to pick.....

pick [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation], he really wants it

couldn't spell parakka right

Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

hi [nation=short]Kirwina[/nation] i want 2 be friends

Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:yeah but someone wanted you on the ballot :P

Guess that would be you.... thanks haha

Terran Flux

I'm thinking of picking what's behind door number 15.

Alistia, Terran Flux

Temp giving all ministers appearance until its voted on.

Next poll is on lemons defense proposal. Then on appearance. Goodnight.

Gyuamno, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Hey, guys, what's behind door number 15? I don't want to get up.

Terran Flux

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Hey, guys, what's behind door number 15? I don't want to get up.

*walks over and opens door #15*

It is uh, uhm, uh. A naked moleratpainting.

Gyuamno

Terran Flux wrote:*walks over and opens door #15*

It is uh, uhm, uh. A naked moleratpainting.

Molerat-painting

2 words

Gyuamno

Ok, naked molerat painting for minister of culture it is.

Terran Flux

Terran Flux wrote:Molerat-painting

2 words

for some reason i was thinking it was pronouced moler - at - painting

i am not a smart man

Terran Flux

Gyuamno wrote:for some reason i was thinking it was pronouced moler - at - painting

i am not a smart man

yep spelling is hard 2

pronounced*

Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:Temp giving all ministers appearance until its voted on.

Next poll is on lemons defense proposal. Then on appearance. Goodnight.

hi its me a minister

appearance pls

Malcholm, Terran Flux

time to spam the rmb

jk time for bed

Terran Flux

<:::::[]=¤༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I am the knight of spamerino. Stand back foul moderino <:::::[]=¤༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ

Malcholm, Terran Flux

5 posts? Yay!

Really, [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]? Really?

Gyuamno, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:Temp giving all ministers appearance until its voted on.

Next poll is on lemons defense proposal. Then on appearance. Goodnight.

polls is probably more useful to Minister of Foreign Affairs to gather opinion about regional relations, though you should ask [nation=short]Terran Flux[/nation] what he thinks is best suited for him.

Alistia, Terran Flux

Still needs to vote

Malcholm

Guys really I appreshate the love but what would I do as minister of Culture?

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

Parakka Northland wrote:Guys really I appreciate the love but what would I do as minister of Culture?

Cultural things, I would think.

Alistia, New Bacon, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Malcholm wrote:Cultural things, I would think.

I've been in this region for a year and a half and the only culture that I've noticed comes from arguing lol

Any suggestions if I'm to be stuck with the role?

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux

Parakka Northland wrote:I've been in this region for a year and a half and the only culture that I've noticed comes from arguing lol

Any suggestions if I'm to be stuck with the role?

It might be good for the MoC to have a bigger role in our region's discord chat so that we can pull more off-site shenanigans. I like the sound of some contests--maybe an MSPaint contest?

Alistia, Terran Flux

I don't see the point in a crappy and slow bureaucratic process when a simple change is made by the Prime Minister or something and it actually helps a minister majorly in doing their job. If the action is unwanted then just start a little poll and not have a whole trial over it.

Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

MSPaint? Is that the default paint program on most computers?

Cause I have something called Paint 3D

Terran Flux

Should I tie the poll, or not....hmm....

Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Paint 3D's granddad, the one that's been around since the 90's 😛

Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:Paint 3D's granddad, the one that's been around since the 90's 😛

Alright, yeah, I know.

*opens paint3d*

I prefer the original.

Malcholm, Terran Flux

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Should I tie the poll, or not....hmm....

Don't worry I did haha

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Alright, yeah, I know.

*opens paint3d*

I prefer the original.

I've not used the 3d version yet. But I use the original one a lot

Post self-deleted by Mugwop.

[nation=short]Parakka_northland[/nation], [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation]

It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-debate

Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:I've been in this region for a year and a half and the only culture that I've noticed comes from arguing lol

Any suggestions if I'm to be stuck with the role?

This underlined statement is EXTREMELY true!!!

Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

I haven't seen a monthly report published yet [nation=short]viva_italia[/nation]

New Bacon wrote:I haven't seen a monthly report published yet [nation=short]viva_italia[/nation]

Viva is inactive as hell.

Gyuamno, New Bacon, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

a tie between [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka[/nation], how will we decide this?

Gyuamno, New Bacon

Alistia wrote:a tie between [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka[/nation], how will we decide this?

u, ur the delegate

Terran Flux

Mugwop wrote:[nation=short]Parakka_northland[/nation], [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation]

It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-debate

Ok let's debate, to be honest this isn't a role I would be good at. I personally am not convinced that their should be a minister of culture and of the opinion that the culture duties should be merged into the domestic affairs ministers.

Anyway to summarise I'll be rubbish so pick the other guy

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm

Alistia wrote:a tie between [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka[/nation], how will we decide this?

It used to be Forest who breaks ties but his position is now suspended, so I think you get to do it.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:Ok let's debate, to be honest this isn't a role I would be good at. I personally am not convinced that their should be a minister of culture and of the opinion that the culture duties should be merged into the domestic affairs ministers.

Anyway to summarise I'll be rubbish so pick the other guy

I was terrible at culture minister. It takes a special skill to be good at it.

Alistia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:Temp giving all ministers appearance until its voted on.

Next poll is on lemons defense proposal. Then on appearance. Goodnight.

Unlimited power

Side note: I a may be a little inactive for a while. Do not be alarmed

Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux

Exotic Lemon wrote:I was terrible at culture minister. It takes a special skill to be good at it.

You were good.

We had reliable news back then

New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

congratz Barry boy on your promotion, I expect role plays as promised!

New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

Alistia wrote:Viva is inactive as hell.

He checked into his main [nation=short]gagala[/nation].

Alistia, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:Viva is inactive as hell.

New Bacon wrote:He checked into his main [nation=short]gagala[/nation].

I think something been going on in Bunicken if TMC discord was anything to go by

New Bacon, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

[nation=short]the_immortal_elysium[/nation] got removed from office for being active in other regions but not TMC.

Where are the double standards!!!!

Unjust!

Terran Flux

Gyuamno wrote:[nation=short]the_immortal_elysium[/nation] got removed from office for being active in other regions but not TMC.

Where are the double standards!!!!

Unjust!

*yawns*

Someone mentioned me?

Terran Flux

Parakka Northland wrote:I think something been going on in Bunicken if TMC discord was anything to go by

True.

New Bacon wrote:He checked into his main [nation=short]gagala[/nation].

Yeah I see, should we do anything?

New Bacon

I say off with his head, off with his head I say!

Gyuamno, Alistia

The Immortal Elysium wrote:I say off with his head, off with his head I say!

*Reads that as "I say we need an impeachment, we need an impeachment I say!"*

Alistia wrote:True.

Yeah I see, should we do anything?

If you need to contact bunicken I can help

Feel free to tg or message me on discord

Alistia wrote:You were good.

We had reliable news back then

Fake news?

Gyuamno, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:You were good.

We had reliable news back then

And then I got really lazy and stopped with the news. Although, my news agency never cted

Alistia, Terran Flux

Exotic Lemon wrote:And then I got really lazy and stopped with the news. Although, my news agency never cted

Yeah, but vivas did.

Exotic Lemon wrote:Fake news?

Just a news in general

Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

Alistia wrote:Yeah, but vivas did.

Just a news in general

Put up the poll on the defense minister proposal

Note, it is unofficially called

The Lemon Power Grab Act *evil laughter*

Gyuamno, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:True.

Yeah I see, should we do anything?

Impeach for inactivity like he did with other officers.

Alistia, Terran Flux

On Lemon's bill I need more details on procedure to vote yes.

New Bacon wrote:Impeach for inactivity like he did with other officers.

We probably also need a procedure for impeachment too, that address reasons for impeachment and how to impeach someone.

Terran Flux

Mugwop wrote:On Lemon's bill I need more details on procedure to vote yes.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=867563 Has now been updated. Note: None of the original text was altered, only a new paragraph under the title "Limitations" in gold text is new. I hope this clears up any confusion on a defense minister abusing their power

Terran Flux, Untoreragarekinae

Mugwop wrote:On Lemon's bill I need more details on procedure to vote yes.

We probably also need a procedure for impeachment too, that address reasons for impeachment and how to impeach someone.

Somewhere in the depths of all of our laws we have something on impeachment

New Bacon, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon, Untoreragarekinae

Alistia wrote:Somewhere in the depths of all of our laws we have something on impeachment

There is?

Exotic Lemon wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=867563 Has now been updated. Note: None of the original text was altered, only a new paragraph under the title "Limitations" in gold text is new. I hope this clears up any confusion on a defense minister abusing their power

I can go with that, but I recommend that it's edited so that the defense minister can get clearance from the Delegate OR Judical President. This is in case there isn't a quick response from the delegate, the minister can get a response from the JB President. Also edit it to so say native delegate, just to clear some loopholes.

Alistia, Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:There is?

I can go with that, but I recommend that it's edited so that the defense minister can get clearance from the Delegate OR Judical President. This is in case there isn't a quick response from the delegate, the minister can get a response from the JB President. Also edit it to so say native delegate, just to clear some loopholes.

I will edit to add JB pres (unless pm seems more fitting). I will also try to clear loopholes

Alistia, Terran Flux

Mugwop wrote:There is?

I can go with that, but I recommend that it's edited so that the defense minister can get clearance from the Delegate OR Judical President. This is in case there isn't a quick response from the delegate, the minister can get a response from the JB President. Also edit it to so say native delegate, just to clear some loopholes.

updated

Terran Flux

From what I can find, and I did look through alot of dispatches, impeachment is done by majority vote of the upper and lower house.

Terran Flux

Yeah guys I'm gonna be inactive for a while. I'm heading on holidays and Bunicken is going through stuff rn.

New Bacon, Terran Flux

Viva Italia wrote:Bunicken is going through stuff rn.

I feel like this is part for the course.

New Bacon, Terran Flux

I will support your bill Lemon when there is a proclamation declaring me God King for eternity

Thx for your consideration

:)

Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon

Gyuamno wrote:I will support your bill Lemon when there is a proclamation declaring me God King for eternity

Thx for your consideration

:)

You can't be God King because I am the rightful God King.

Malcholm

The Immortal Elysium wrote:You can't be God King because I am the rightful God King.

No.

I am chief and i have the one ring!

(Tho ive heard rumours that lemon is traveling to mt.doom to pray to mugwop and craft a ring to challenge mine)

Gyuamno, Malcholm, Terran Flux

Mugwop wrote:There is?

I can go with that, but I recommend that it's edited so that the defense minister can get clearance from the Delegate OR Judical President. This is in case there isn't a quick response from the delegate, the minister can get a response from the JB President. Also edit it to so say native delegate, just to clear some loopholes.

I think so, something about if they are inactive for 2-3 weeks straight.

Inactivity not is posting, doing an issue, or fufilling role in govt in that time.

Any citizen can ask for impeachment and it will be voted on.

(This is outta memory, i kbow we had sumn somewhere but i think all our master dispatches are outdated

Malcholm, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:I think so, something about if they are inactive for 2-3 weeks straight.

Inactivity not is posting, doing an issue, or fufilling role in govt in that time.

Any citizen can ask for impeachment and it will be voted on.

(This is outta memory, i kbow we had sumn somewhere but i think all our master dispatches are outdated

Oh it isn't a law, but I know what you're referring to, I found it

Ironically it was written by Viva https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=770028

"I can promise government accountability and activeness

During my time in government,I have quite sadly witnessed inactivity and corruption in our government officials.This is a sad state of affairs and I will do everything in my power,whether it be impeachment votes or public criticism,to stop this from happening.The government is here to serve you,the people,and we can't do that unless ever Minister,General and Judge is accountable and active."

Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:No.

I am chief and i have the one ring!

(Tho ive heard rumours that lemon is traveling to mt.doom to pray to mugwop and craft a ring to challenge mine)

You are the chief, I do not dispute that. However, clearly, I am the God King. It is quite clear, wouldn't you agree?

Alistia, Your link to the factbook doesn't work. I trust Lemon wouldn't propose anything to crazy but still need to read it before I vote. Also your votes on the current WA issues are off base and I have canceled them out with my votes. I'm sure your father would be disappointed in you ;-)

In regards to impeachment, the way I did it was any nation could ask for an impeachment and the pm could then grant or deny their request for a vote.

Terran Flux

"- Alistia, current WA Delegate and probably our most experienced raider, has stated that the position is ineffective."

[nation=short]chingis[/nation] come fight

Alistia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Viva Italia wrote:In regards to impeachment, the way I did it was any nation could ask for an impeachment and the pm could then grant or deny their request for a vote.

I would make it more of a vote of confidence, if two or more citizens come forward and request impeachment then the PM can consider it. Allowing it to happen on one nation's opinion could clog up the polls if worse comes to worse.

Alistia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Malcholm wrote:I would make it more of a vote of confidence, if two or more citizens come forward and request impeachment then the PM can consider it. Allowing it to happen on one nation's opinion could clog up the polls if worse comes to worse.

What if its the pm or jud pres getting impeached?

Illfated wrote:Alistia, Your link to the factbook doesn't work. I trust Lemon wouldn't propose anything to crazy but still need to read it before I vote. Also your votes on the current WA issues are off base and I have canceled them out with my votes. I'm sure your father would be disappointed in you ;-)

Everyone can vote the way y want :p

The Immortal Elysium wrote:But it does work.

[nation=short]illfated[/nation]

Gyuamno, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

OOC:

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And check out the [URL=https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=861531]World Arts Fair[/URL]

Discord: https://discord.gg/jUE4U93

Forum: http://nsworldartsfair.proboards.com

Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux

Illfated wrote:Alistia, Your link to the factbook doesn't work. I trust Lemon wouldn't propose anything to crazy but still need to read it before I vote. Also your votes on the current WA issues are off base and I have canceled them out with my votes. I'm sure your father would be disappointed in you ;-)

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=867563 is the link

To everyone,

I would like to thank everyone for supporting the Lemon Power Grab Proposal, I mean um the Empower the Defense Minister Proposal. Except [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], who I cannot guarantee the position of "GOD King"

Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux

The Immortal Elysium wrote:But it does work.

Actually the Link above the poll is not clickable. I need things to be easy as I am old as dirt. Alistia knows this but has no respect for his elders.

I was able to use Elysims link to read it, and vote for the coup powers..erm, I mean great proposal.

btw how the f do I format someone's name? The little info on formatting tags at the bottom left is useless and doesn't seem to work no matter how I try it.

Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon

Exotic Lemon wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=867563 is the link

To everyone,

I would like to thank everyone for supporting the Lemon Power Grab Proposal, I mean um the Empower the Defense Minister Proposal. Except [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], who I cannot guarantee the position of "GOD King"

screw [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], don't listen to him lemon ur bill is bigly yuugeeee!

he's such a primadonna

Terran Flux

Gyuamno wrote:screw [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], don't listen to him lemon ur bill is bigly yuugeeee!

he's such a primadonna

I am not sure if I should be grateful or sad you didn't vote for it.

[nation=short]new bacon[/nation], any particular reason you abstained?

Alistia, New Bacon, Terran Flux

Alistia wrote:What if its the pm or jud pres getting impeached?

Same-ish thing, charges could be brought on the PM by two ministers, then could be impeached the agreement of 3/4 ministers w/ grace from the JCP, JCP could have charges brought on them by the other two councillors, then could be impeached by the agreement of the other two councillors w/ grace from the PM. That's just gov't members impeaching other government members tho, I would think that charges brought against the JCP or PM would need the backing off more that two citizens.. four seems like a solid number to me.

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