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Also why is mugwops posts being suppressed...

Alistia

Viva Italia wrote:What the hell is going on....

Forest used Oak to, illegally, give himself a government position with full office powers. Then he started issuing executive orders and doing things however he wants, as if he is the Emperor, despite the fact that the court abolished that position from him.

Then he declared a fake state of emergency, to divert attention from his corruption.

Now however we have an ACTUAL state of emergency, as Forest has gone mad, and started abusing his powers, and threaning people with treason and further consequences, should any of us challenge his lunacy https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=900320

Forestavia

Forestavia wrote:I have the power and I have declared our region's second official State of Emergency as of yesterday.

You don't have the power though. You aren't emperor anymore.

Viva Italia wrote:Also why is mugwops posts being suppressed...

Because we're going to drop the debate over the state of emergency and move on to more important matters.

Viva Italia wrote:You don't have the power though. You aren't emperor anymore.

I do now.

Forestavia wrote:I do now.

But you dont because your emergency power declaration is invalid.

Viva Italia wrote:You don't have the power though. You aren't emperor anymore.

It's like an itch that he has. Pretty much on the clock, every six months he has to fck sh!t up. We had something dumb like this happen like this around October last year, then he started some other dumb thing last April, and now he's doing it again this October, and then again next April.

He can't help it. Every six months, he gotta screw us over.

We're all getting really tired of this sh!t Forest.

Alistia

Let's talk about proportional representation through political parties.

Parakka Northland

Post self-deleted by Mugwop.

Forestavia wrote:Let's talk about proportional representation through political parties.

Is this something that we can realistically do? Do we want it? What would it look like?

Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:Is this something that we can realistically do? Do we want it? What would it look like?

Oh so now just suppress anyone who questions the crimes you're doing. Good job Forest. Good job.

Alright, I tend to try and stay ambivalent in matters such as these, but with everything that’s going on, I’m going to try and put my thoughts into words.

I’ve been in TMC what was it, almost a year now? We’ve had our troubles, conflicts, what region doesn’t? But it seems that this is the worst the region has been. I’ve been elected Foreign Affairs Minister, although I have no idea how valid that position is now.

After Oak ceased to exist, the first time, the region seemed to be in an uproar. I agreed. Having a founder limits the number of prospective raiders who would think to raid TMC. I would know, I have been a raider for some time now. For about 7 months, I’ve been a raider. I think I know enough about them to know how they think.

In other news, active founder > no founder.

But the court ruled it. Oak had to be restored. The region was content, to an extent. True, Oak wasn’t in the region, but Oak had founder powers from outside the region.So, all was well, for now.

But alas, Oak had to Cease To Exist again.I suppose it was too hard to keep it alive, even if you could enable vacation mode. But, all was well, or so it seemed, when Oak was restored again. But that hope, seemingly to the others of the region, diminished fast.

Around that time, there was talk of reforming the government, making it better. Without all of these polls, the usual. True, these topics did take place. I was content to let them take place. As usual, I tried to stay ambivalent, and without taking sides, which could have been a mistake.

Then there were talks of merging positions, and shrinking the size of the government. I was fine with this, certainly some position weren’t needed.

But back to the present, an illegally proclaimed state of emergency apparently swept through the region, the emperor position was abolished, and yet Forest used the founder, Oak’s executive ability to give himself power, and giving control of the region to 3 people: The delegate, The PM, and the Chief Justice.

Forest claims he declared this state of emergency because of how the region reacted. But shoudn’t he heed the people of the region? Instead of suppressing them, like with Mugwops posts? Shouldn’t we be free to speak our minds in a region where “you are able to freely share your ideas”, and shouldn’t we, the officers of the region, pay heed to the citizens who put us here, in this “great Democratic region”? This seems to be the low point in this regions history. Forest claims he is declaring this state of emergency until we can reform the government. But if he suppresses our ideals, our thoughts, how can we truly vote as we please? What is to stop Forest from using his founder powers illegitimately?

I do not know.

How am I supposed to function as a Foreign Affairs Minister, however valid that position is, when our internal affairs are so messed up, that I sometimes have no idea what’s going on.

How can Mugwop function as Domestic Affairs Minister when Forest keeps suppressing his posts?

I do not know.

I have been trying to stay neutral in this affair, just trying to do my job and duty. But I feel now that I must speak up.

This is The Immortal Elysium, and my rant is over.

Alistia, Malcholm, Oakplumington

Parakka Northland wrote:Now that option 3 was chosen there are a few ways we can do it.

Reduce the government down to 3 ministers, One president (WA delegate) and Vice President (Founder). Each minister can either have specific tasks (defence, domestic affairs and foreign affairs) thus Option 1 or they can be a group of equals Option 2 If specific tasks are chosen then they would have powers necessary to fulfill that role. If equals then they would have all powers. As such the group would act as a Council.

Now if we go for option 2 we could have political parties with proportional reprentation thus simplifying the voting system rather a lot. In that event I would say that elections take place once a quarter with Lunar Council elections running monthly. Now some would ask why is the Founder Vice President, well I think as the Founder is evidently an important part of the region they should be able to participate in its government, but only at the direction of the of the government / president approval.

But if we go for option 1 then I would suggest we hold an election for position Every month. For example, January = Defence Minister, February = Domestic Affairs and so on. This way we could hold ministry elections at the beginning of the month in one week and Lunar Council elections at the end of the month again all in a week. Also by the end of the quarter, we should have a new government, in place.

As such Forestavia or Oakplumington if I’m not on at the completion of the poll can you please set it up. Or if there is no arguement then we can suspend the current poll as it well eventually be up for re-election anyway under the new system.

Presenting the Prime Minister's proposals! May they be ignored no longer.

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:No we are not. You have 0 authority to declare any state of anything.

You do realize this is Forest's region, right? He can do what he wants...

Oakplumington, Terran Flux

I have to go to the airport in about an hour, fun! Mmm going to love that JFK traffic at 5PM

Terran Flux

Gyuamno wrote:I have to go to the airport in about an hour, fun! Mmm going to love that JFK traffic at 5PM

Whew, JFK traffic.

Good luck.

Gyuamno wrote:You do realize this is Forest's region, right? He can do what he wants...

We are operating on the principle of a democratic government. Where each of us has rights, and each of must use their powers responsibly, and legally, and with respect to everyone in the region.

If Forest wants to go full dictatorship mode and just do whatever he wants and threaten to suspend elections and charge those who question him with treason, then all of this is pointless. At that point there is no incentive for people to do anything in the government if Forest is just gonna screw things up.

Alistia

Gyuamno wrote:You do realize this is Forest's region, right? He can do what he wants...

Things like that are only to be whispered in the smallest of mouse voices.

Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:We are operating on the principle of a democratic government. Where each of us has rights, and each of must use their powers responsibly, and legally, and with respect to everyone in the region.

If Forest wants to go full dictatorship mode and just do whatever he wants and threaten to suspend elections and charge those who question him with treason, then all of this is pointless. At that point there is no incentive for people to do anything in the government if Forest is just gonna screw things up.

How many times do I have to say that the declared state of emergency is temporary? This is not a dictatorship. Don't you see that you guys are putting me in a very awkward position.

Terran Flux

Oakplumington wrote:How many times do I have to say that the declared state of emergency is temporary? This is not a dictatorship. Don't you see that you guys are putting me in a very awkward position.

There is a real state of emergency so long as you have given yourself illegal powers, use founder powers when the court ruled that you no longer have this privilege, and suppress people who question your corruption.

You're the one causing this disaster.

Alistia

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Whew, JFK traffic.

Good luck.

Thanks brother, going to hit the road soon so I can get parking.

Mugwop wrote:We are operating on the principle of a democratic government. Where each of us has rights, and each of must use their powers responsibly, and legally, and with respect to everyone in the region.

If Forest wants to go full dictatorship mode and just do whatever he wants and threaten to suspend elections and charge those who question him with treason, then all of this is pointless. At that point there is no incentive for people to do anything in the government if Forest is just gonna screw things up.

Nothing is guaranteed. Forest wasn't afforded the same rights as the rest of us, apparently, he has a responsibility that transcends all of us that makes him not applicable to The Basic Rights of Nations. A court ruling went against word for word number 10, "without hindrance from the government".

There is no incentive now either, people just like having their name up at the top of the region to look big and bad. Alistia signs up for everything but barely does anything. He registered to play in trivia with Terran, Lemon, and I and didn't answer a single question. Why register to play then?

Regional officers like all the power and none of the responsibility or accountability as I said before. I think Forest has the right idea of wanting to change things.

Oakplumington, Terran Flux

Gyuamno wrote:

Regional officers like all the power and none of the responsibility or accountability as I said before. I think Forest has the right idea of wanting to change things.

Hey! You right, but I think I'm doin good so far

Gyuamno, Oakplumington

Terran Flux wrote:Hey! You right, but I think I'm doin good so far

i luv my bby terran tho ;*

Oakplumington

Gyuamno wrote:Thanks brother, going to hit the road soon so I can get parking.

Nothing is guaranteed. Forest wasn't afforded the same rights as the rest of us, apparently, he has a responsibility that transcends all of us that makes him not applicable to The Basic Rights of Nations. A court ruling went against word for word number 10, "without hindrance from the government".

There is no incentive now either, people just like having their name up at the top of the region to look big and bad. Alistia signs up for everything but barely does anything. He registered to play in trivia with Terran, Lemon, and I and didn't answer a single question. Why register to play then?

Regional officers like all the power and none of the responsibility or accountability as I said before. I think Forest has the right idea of wanting to change things.

I don't know what to tell you mate, I mean you have already established yourself as a suck up and will clap for Forest even if he bans people left and right. So honestly I can't say that I, or anyone looking for an unbiased opinion, can take you seriously.

This is a new low for you Forest.

Mugwop wrote:This is a new low for you Forest.

We need to start discussing Parakka's ideas for reform. Or what other options we can take to fix the holes in the old system. Even if we take Alistia's framework put it into complete sentences and make minimal tweaks, that would even be better than letting the system collapse on itself.

The Immortal Elysium wrote:How can Mugwop function as Domestic Affairs Minister when Forest keeps suppressing his posts?

You don't have to worry about answering that question because he just illegally removed me from office altogether for standing against his corruption.

Screw democracy.

Screw elections.

Screw the government.

Screw anyone who says anything against Forest.

None of this matter now in this new dictatorship.

Alistia

Please stop.

Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:Please stop.

What next, just straight up banning me?

Go ahead. Do it and prove me right, that you have become truly and absolutely corrupt.

Mugwop wrote:What next, just straight up banning me?

Go ahead. Do it and prove me right, that you have become truly and absolutely corrupt.

I'm seriously considering it. The only thing stopping me are my patience and the fact that you are the best Minister of Domestic Affairs we've ever had.

Forestavia wrote:I'm seriously considering it. The only thing stopping me are my patience and the fact that you are the best Minister of Domestic Affairs we've ever had.

It doesn't matter. You illegally dismissed me, so I am not a minister anymore, and I won't lose anything because TMC was already lost the moment you abused your powers and gave Forestavia office powers when you had no right to do so.

Most of us here are attracted to TMC because of the democratic principles of its government. None of it matters now that you have decided to become a dictator and disregard our laws and court.

We still have democratic principles. But if we don't start discussing the things we need to discuss, then democracy will truly be lost here.

Let's start here:

Forestavia wrote:We need to start discussing Parakka's ideas for reform. Or what other options we can take to fix the holes in the old system. Even if we take Alistia's framework put it into complete sentences and make minimal tweaks, that would even be better than letting the system collapse on itself.

Parakka Northland wrote:Now that option 3 was chosen there are a few ways we can do it.

Reduce the government down to 3 ministers, One president (WA delegate) and Vice President (Founder). Each minister can either have specific tasks (defence, domestic affairs and foreign affairs) thus Option 1 or they can be a group of equals Option 2 If specific tasks are chosen then they would have powers necessary to fulfill that role. If equals then they would have all powers. As such the group would act as a Council.

Now if we go for option 2 we could have political parties with proportional reprentation thus simplifying the voting system rather a lot. In that event I would say that elections take place once a quarter with Lunar Council elections running monthly. Now some would ask why is the Founder Vice President, well I think as the Founder is evidently an important part of the region they should be able to participate in its government, but only at the direction of the of the government / president approval.

But if we go for option 1 then I would suggest we hold an election for position Every month. For example, January = Defence Minister, February = Domestic Affairs and so on. This way we could hold ministry elections at the beginning of the month in one week and Lunar Council elections at the end of the month again all in a week. Also by the end of the quarter, we should have a new government, in place.

As such Forestavia or Oakplumington if I’m not on at the completion of the poll can you please set it up. Or if there is no arguement then we can suspend the current poll as it well eventually be up for re-election anyway under the new system.

I have pinned Alistia's revision of AU912's framework up at the top of the WFE to help facilitate discussion.

Gyuamno

Oakplumington wrote:We still have democratic principles. But if we don't start discussing the things we need to discuss, then democracy will truly be lost here.

Let's start here:

I have pinned Alistia's revision of AU912's framework up at the top of the WFE to help facilitate discussion.

Pinning Alistia old and outdated dispatch that has half of its nations CTE, just because in that old thing it says you're an Emperor, does not actually make you an Emperor. It makes you a dictator. So why bother with it? Why bother with keeping any of the government at this point?

This is a free region. Democracy and freedom will thrive here even if it has to be done through force.

Gyuamno wrote:Thanks brother, going to hit the road soon so I can get parking.

Nothing is guaranteed. Forest wasn't afforded the same rights as the rest of us, apparently, he has a responsibility that transcends all of us that makes him not applicable to The Basic Rights of Nations. A court ruling went against word for word number 10, "without hindrance from the government".

There is no incentive now either, people just like having their name up at the top of the region to look big and bad. Alistia signs up for everything but barely does anything. He registered to play in trivia with Terran, Lemon, and I and didn't answer a single question. Why register to play then?

Regional officers like all the power and none of the responsibility or accountability as I said before. I think Forest has the right idea of wanting to change things.

In all the positions ive held, lc, defense, delegate, ive always done a great job.

Why i didnt anwser any questions for the game?

The government crisis happened at the same time, and i had to focus my attention to making sure my grades where good at the end of the semester. Here you go again with your stupid poking and prodding, atirring the pot when the regions situation is already bad

Parakka Northland

Forestavia is violating the basic rights of nations with this post suppression.

And now he had removed 2 of my powers, without consent from any of the 3 leaders he claims to be legal.

We're done discussing this. We really need to talk about where we want to go from here. Government stuff. This is a state of emergency and I'm not going to put up with any more power struggles.

Alistia wrote:Forestavia is violating the basic rights of nations with this post suppression.

And now he had removed 2 of my powers, without consent from any of the 3 leaders he claims to be legal.

My job is to enforce the State of Emergency. Those 3 leaders aren't responsible for that. Their job is to facilitate this region through the reforms that are so badly needed. If they have an issue with any of my actions the four of us will discuss it via telegram.

[nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation], I'm giving you a second set of powers in case someone tries to take the delegacy. You will remain Emperor despite what happens with the Delegate office.

Oakplumington wrote:We're done discussing this. We really need to talk about where we want to go from here. Government stuff. This is a state of emergency and I'm not going to put up with any more power struggles.

"We are done discussing Puerto Rico now. Now please pay attention to the NFL instead, and divert away from the screw ups that I have made"

Oakplumington wrote:[nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation], I'm giving you a second set of powers in case someone tries to take the delegacy. You will remain Emperor despite what happens with the Delegate office.

Do you take Lemon as a complete idiot? Are you seriously trying to bribe him with such an abysmally lazy attempt, by saying that you're giving him something, that he already has?

This is just sad at this point.

Alistia

Ashah wrote:"We are done discussing Puerto Rico now. Now please pay attention to the NFL instead, and divert away from the screw ups that I have made"

Do you take Lemon as a complete idiot? Are you seriously trying to bribe him with such an abysmally lazy attempt, by saying that you're giving him something, that he already has?

This is just sad at this point.

Who said anything about bribery? Lemon is Delegate and I'm not putting up with any more power struggles. It is in the best interests of the region right now to keep things stable. This is a completely logical decision.

Okay let's establish some things Forestavia stop acting like a dictator and stop surpresding anyone who disagrees with you.

To everyone else, we should begin talking reforms to the government or if necessary making a new TMC region

Forestavia, Alistia

Viva Italia wrote:Okay let's establish some things Forestavia stop acting like a dictator and stop surpresding anyone who disagrees with you.

To everyone else, we should begin talking reforms to the government or if necessary making a new TMC region

I think for starters, if it's worth it at all to fix any of this mess, Forest has to remove his illegal office from the government and stop abusing his powers. If he does that, then I guess it's worth the investment from all of us. But if he's just gonna do whatever he wants, then why bother?

That being said, we always talk here before deciding things. So let's hear it, who among you here thinks Forest should keep his illegal office, and who thinks that he should remove himself?

Ashah wrote:I think for starters, if it's worth it at all to fix any of this mess, Forest has to remove his illegal office from the government and stop abusing his powers. If he does that, then I guess it's worth the investment from all of us. But if he's just gonna do whatever he wants, then why bother?

That being said, we always talk here before deciding things. So let's hear it, who among you here thinks Forest should keep his illegal office, and who thinks that he should remove himself?

He should remove himself from the office

We're not discussing the State of Emergency. The State of Emergency is temporary. Let's discuss something more permanent. Like the reforms. Pleeeease

The next step I will take is that I will dismiss everyone except for myself and the other three.

Forestavia wrote:We're not discussing the State of Emergency. The State of Emergency is temporary. Let's discuss something more permanent. Like the reforms. Pleeeease

Forest the problem is people don't want to discuss the reforms under what is an illegal declaration and they don't know if you will honour what they pick and if you do, how long it will take you to dismantle it like you have in the past.

Alistia

Viva Italia wrote:Forest the problem is people don't want to discuss the reforms under what is an illegal declaration and they don't know if you will honour what they pick and if you do, how long it will take you to dismantle it like you have in the past.

I will honor it. I promise.

Forestavia wrote:I will honor it. I promise.

I respect you and I will take you at your word

But stop with surpressing. You are just digging yourself a bigger hole

Forestavia stop suppressing posts please! We can still see them!

Alistia, Viva Italia

Viva Italia wrote:I respect you and I will take you at your word

But stop with surpressing. You are just digging yourself a bigger hole

As long as we can keep things focused I won't suppress. But anything insulting to me, Lemon, Parakka, or Malcholm is liable to be suppressed.

New Bacon wrote:Forestavia stop suppressing posts please! We can still see them!

I only suppress certain ones.

Forestavia wrote:As long as we can keep things focused I won't suppress. But anything insulting to me, Lemon, Parakka, or Malcholm is liable to be suppressed.

Very dictatorial but I don't care anymore. So what is the choices on the table? Is it the reduce the ministry to 3 and wad as president or the one with proportional representation?

Forestavia, Alistia

Viva Italia wrote:I respect you and I will take you at your word

But stop with surpressing. You are just digging yourself a bigger hole

The thing, is there any emergency other than Forest just completely abusing his powers?

5 bucks says that he will just dismiss the whole government, do away with elections, and just appoint people who say yes to him all the time.

In my old region, the founder did exactly this, and Forest himself witnessed it. The region died soon after.

Ashah wrote:The thing, is there any emergency other than Forest just completely abusing his powers?

5 bucks says that he will just dismiss the whole government, do away with elections, and just appoint people who say yes to him all the time.

In my old region, the founder did exactly this, and Forest himself witnessed it. The region died soon after.

I don't think he will. He always makes a democratic system of government after whatever coup he had done the month or so before

If you don't have anything productive to add to the conversation, then don't post.

Terran Flux

Forestavia wrote:If you don't have anything productive to add to the conversation, then don't post.

This is somewhat devisive.

How? It's a statement that screams "I want unity!" from every angle.

Viva Italia wrote:I don't think he will. He always makes a democratic system of government after whatever coup he had done the month or so before

At this point, maybe it is us to blame for entertaining his tomfoolery all this time. He keeps screwing us over and over again, and he keeps facing no real consequences. So who knows, maybe we are all the fools in this for letting him do this to us and the region over and over again.

Forestavia wrote:If you don't have anything productive to add to the conversation, then don't post.

Translation: "If you're not gonna mindlessly agree with my dictatorship ways, then don't post, because section 8 of the Basic Rights of Nation "Freedom of speech and of the press will be upheld with the exception being violation of NationStates website rules" has been cancelled, and you will be suppressed if you voice yourself against my corruption, or even banned."

Alistia

One more strike at me and I'll eject Ashah, too.

Oakplumington wrote:One more strike at me and I'll eject Ashah, too.

I didn't write this:

"Freedom of speech and of the press will be upheld with the exception being violation of NationStates website rules"

You did.

So explain to us all why you are spitting at it and spitting at our faces.

Ashah wrote:I didn't write this:

"Freedom of speech and of the press will be upheld with the exception being violation of NationStates website rules"

You did.

So explain to us all why you are spitting at it and spitting at our faces.

Maybe some of you should look in the mirror. I've been patient. But clearly we don't understand that this is an actual state of emergency. I have matched action for action. Now I have no choice. All officers will be dismissed except for the four of us.

We will take some time to chill, breathe, regroup, cool off, have a beer, whatever you do, however you do it.

Tomorrow is a new day. When our leaders log on, we need to be willing to hear what they have to say. To listen to each other. But any post that accuses someone of something that isn't true, any post that insults or inflames, will be suppressed and snuffed out.

Oakplumington wrote:Maybe some of you should look in the mirror. I've been patient. But clearly we don't understand that this is an actual state of emergency. I have matched action for action. Now I have no choice. All officers will be dismissed except for the four of us.

We will take some time to chill, breathe, regroup, cool off, have a beer, whatever you do, however you do it.

Tomorrow is a new day. When our leaders log on, we need to be willing to hear what they have to say. To listen to each other. But any post that accuses someone of something that isn't true, any post that insults or inflames, will be suppressed and snuffed out.

You've truly have cracked up.

Alistia, Oakplumington

Guys it's my birthday today and as such was trying to avoid NS for one day. But then I get a message asking me to do something to stop things blowing up here. So after reading 80 odd messages, please can we all chill the hell out!

Forestavia please stop suppressing posts and please don't kick anyone else from the region.

Mugwop please stop antagonizing forest. We all understand your point by now and I'm not saying you are wrong but as it's not getting anywhere please can we just call it time on going over the same thing repeatedly.

As Prime Minister I have limited powers as im not delegate but I would like to point out that we all need to stop arguing with each other and pull our @#@# together to sort out these reforms I started.

Alistia, New Bacon, Oakplumington

Parakka Northland wrote:Guys it's my birthday today and as such was trying to avoid NS for one day. But then I get a message asking me to do something to stop things blowing up here. So after reading 80 odd messages, please can we all chill the hell out!

Forestavia please stop suppressing posts and please don't kick anyone else from the region.

Mugwop please stop antagonizing forest. We all understand your point by now and I'm not saying you are wrong but as it's not getting anywhere please can we just call it time on going over the same thing repeatedly.

As Prime Minister I have limited powers as im not delegate but I would like to point out that we all need to stop arguing with each other and pull our @#@# together to sort out these reforms I started.

Happy Birthday! I'm sorry it was ruined on nationstates.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Oakplumington wrote:Maybe some of you should look in the mirror. I've been patient. But clearly we don't understand that this is an actual state of emergency. I have matched action for action. Now I have no choice. All officers will be dismissed except for the four of us.

We will take some time to chill, breathe, regroup, cool off, have a beer, whatever you do, however you do it.

Tomorrow is a new day. When our leaders log on, we need to be willing to hear what they have to say. To listen to each other. But any post that accuses someone of something that isn't true, any post that insults or inflames, will be suppressed and snuffed out.

In the interests of trying to cool tensions and as a sign of good well on your part please can you reinstate all elected officials back to their positions please

Alistia, New Bacon

New Bacon wrote:Happy Birthday! I'm sorry it was ruined on nationstates.

Not ruined but certainly added a certain toon I would like to have avoided for today.

Anyway I'm off to sleep night all, and please everyone can we not blow the region up whilst I'm gone lol

Alistia, New Bacon, Oakplumington

Parakka Northland wrote:In the interests of trying to cool tensions and as a sign of good well on your part please can you reinstate all elected officials back to their positions please

For now, we're operating under an Emergency Government. Everything will go back to the way it was once things cool off.

Parakka Northland wrote:Not ruined but certainly added a certain toon I would like to have avoided for today.

Anyway I'm off to sleep night all, and please everyone can we not blow the region up whilst I'm gone lol

Happy Birthday, Parakka.

Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Oakplumington wrote:For now, we're operating under an Emergency Government. Everything will go back to the way it was once things cool off.

Ok can you provide a time frame please as I would really like my ministers back at least till a new system is implemented

Oakplumington wrote:Happy Birthday, Parakka.

Thanks

New Bacon

Oakplumington wrote:For now, we're operating under an Emergency Government. Everything will go back to the way it was once things cool off.

Things wont cool off if you continue this tyranny.

New Bacon

Parakka Northland wrote:Ok can you provide a time frame please as I would really like my ministers back at least till a new system is implemented

At the rate we're going it's going to be a couple weeks. But I'm going to try to remain open-minded. A lot will depend on how the next few days go. This region has truly lost it's mind this week. I've never seen the region like this before.

Oakplumington wrote:For now, we're operating under an Emergency Government. Everything will go back to the way it was once things cool off.

>forest says the region is ruled by malcholm parakka and lemon

>parakka and malcholm ask him to stop acting crazy, he refuses and uses his self imposed raid as a reason

>ignores and suppresses everything the citizens of the region say

>the 'emergency' is never ending

>multiple people say his raid is the only emergency

>violates rigts of nations

>dismisses legitimate government

>is shocked that people are against it

New Bacon, Exotic Lemon

Oakplumington wrote:At the rate we're going it's going to be a couple weeks. But I'm going to try to remain open-minded. A lot will depend on how the next few days go. This region has truly lost it's mind this week. I've never seen the region like this before.

Everything was going fine till you raided the region causing chaos and destroying the community.

Looks like this is gonna be alpha wolf part 2

Please stop. I'm not going to destroy the region. But these accusations have to stop. I'm ready to start ejecting if you guys keep it up. There will be peace in my region.

Parakka Northland wrote:Guys it's my birthday today and as such was trying to avoid NS for one day. But then I get a message asking me to do something to stop things blowing up here. So after reading 80 odd messages, please can we all chill the hell out!

Forestavia please stop suppressing posts and please don't kick anyone else from the region.

Mugwop please stop antagonizing forest. We all understand your point by now and I'm not saying you are wrong but as it's not getting anywhere please can we just call it time on going over the same thing repeatedly.

As Prime Minister I have limited powers as im not delegate but I would like to point out that we all need to stop arguing with each other and pull our @#@# together to sort out these reforms I started.

Well my birthday boy, congrats, but what exactly is the expectation here? I mean he is destroying everything. So what exactly would you have us do, just bend over and take it? Should we just stay silent as he continues to abuse his powers? His so called state of emergency is just a reaction to the court abolishing his Emperor position, so now he's using this emergency that he caused, as an excuse to dismantle, and reform the government into something in which he is the the "Eternal Glorious Leader" where no one has the right to question him. Do you actually think a genuine democratic government can form under such tyrannical founder?

So what should we do? I mean really, this isn't a rhetorical question. What exactly should we all do as he continues this power abuse?

Alistia, New Bacon

Oakplumington wrote:Please stop. I'm not going to destroy the region. But these accusations have to stop. I'm ready to start ejecting if you guys keep it up. There will be peace in my region.

STOP SUPPRESSING THE RMB POSTS!!!

Alistia

I want you guys to be happy. If you're truly not happy here, you can start your own region or go somewhere else. I promise that democracy and freedom will return soon - that the state of emergency is temporary. I promise to respect whatever system of government you guys come up with. Could you look at it from my point of view? We point out the problems with the current system and the region reluctantly agrees to make some reforms. Then out of the blue all this blowback over absolutely nothing. If you were in my shoes and your region was facing a government transition, and everyone started losing their minds, what would you do? Declaring a state of emergency is about the best I've got right now.

Right now you have a chance to create for yourselves an improved government based on the government that AU912, Alistia came up with. A great government with an organized system of elections that Mugwop wrote. A clear and concise citizenship verification policy written by Malcholm. You've got a new Prime Minister who wants to help the region during this difficult time. Will you give it a chance?

EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!! IT'S NEWS FROM BACON CENTRAL NEWS!!!!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901185

Oakplumington

Forestavia wrote:The next step I will take is that I will dismiss everyone except for myself and the other three.

:(

You'd think a defense minister would be useful here, guess not

Terran Flux wrote::(

You'll get your powers back soon. You did nothing wrong.

Oakplumington wrote:You'll get your powers back soon. You did nothing wrong.

Okay. *curls up in bunker to educate young children about stronk communist ideals*

Gyuamno, Oakplumington

Oakplumington wrote:I want you guys to be happy. If you're truly not happy here, you can start your own region or go somewhere else. I promise that democracy and freedom will return soon - that the state of emergency is temporary. I promise to respect whatever system of government you guys come up with. Could you look at it from my point of view? We point out the problems with the current system and the region reluctantly agrees to make some reforms. Then out of the blue all this blowback over absolutely nothing. If you were in my shoes and your region was facing a government transition, and everyone started losing their minds, what would you do? Declaring a state of emergency is about the best I've got right now.

Right now you have a chance to create for yourselves an improved government based on the government that AU912, Alistia came up with. A great government with an organized system of elections that Mugwop wrote. A clear and concise citizenship verification policy written by Malcholm. You've got a new Prime Minister who wants to help the region during this difficult time. Will you give it a chance?

Tyranny isnt the answer to problems, instead of letting the legit govt fix the problems

(like has been done since i first got here in december 2015) you are just making it worst while not solving anything.

We as a region been through way worse, yet in those times you still continued our laissez faire policy on the region, but yet this time you created a big scene and are 100% going off from your original founder philosophy, why?!

You are even saying you will kick people for talking on the rmb! Free speech has been the central tenet of tmc forever, what has changed with you?! Im honestly curious.

"There is no greater tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of the law and in the name of justice."

"Live free, or die."

New Bacon, Oakplumington

Oakplumington wrote:I want you guys to be happy. If you're truly not happy here, you can start your own region or go somewhere else. I promise that democracy and freedom will return soon - that the state of emergency is temporary. I promise to respect whatever system of government you guys come up with. Could you look at it from my point of view? We point out the problems with the current system and the region reluctantly agrees to make some reforms. Then out of the blue all this blowback over absolutely nothing. If you were in my shoes and your region was facing a government transition, and everyone started losing their minds, what would you do? Declaring a state of emergency is about the best I've got right now.

Right now you have a chance to create for yourselves an improved government based on the government that AU912, Alistia came up with. A great government with an organized system of elections that Mugwop wrote. A clear and concise citizenship verification policy written by Malcholm. You've got a new Prime Minister who wants to help the region during this difficult time. Will you give it a chance?

Also to point out is that "everyone started losing their minds" after you made up this emergency.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

New Bacon

47 messages. A short shift at work.

I come back home. Fix myself something to eat. Sit down at my laptop, boot it back up, and sign on.

Ooh, a notice. I've been dismissed. Oh well.

But how can we decide on government reforms, if you're breaking the region apart?

Now, from an outside perspective, it seems to be Forest Vs. TMC, and I just want it to stop!

Everybody, calm down!

Alistia, Malcholm

Alistia wrote:Tyranny isnt the answer to problems, instead of letting the legit govt fix the problems

(like has been done since i first got here in december 2015) you are just making it worst while not solving anything.

We as a region been through way worse, yet in those times you still continued our laissez faire policy on the region, but yet this time you created a big scene and are 100% going off from your original founder philosophy, why?!

You are even saying you will kick people for talking on the rmb! Free speech has been the central tenet of tmc forever, what has changed with you?! Im honestly curious.

"There is no greater tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of the law and in the name of justice."

"Live free, or die."

I agree with you that tyranny isn't the answer to problems. I also agree with the laissez faire approach most of the time. I believe in the laissez faire approach. I would much rather have left the region in the hands of the legitimate government. The problem is that the government was not doing its job. It took a month (maybe longer) worth of convincing and pleading and persuading to finally get people to realize that there were problems with the current system. After we finally convinced enough people to do something about it people were only willing to change things kicking and screaming. Then a couple of nights ago all of this resistance started happening. Part of it was my fault. I know. And I put things back. But people didn't stop. The day after I declared a state of emergency to refocus on the issues at hand. Everyone reacts with "Forest is the problem" and "Oak is destroying the region." For two days I have endured this. So things escalated. I decided to remain resolute. I decided I would match action for action and went as far as the region was willing to push me. I didn't get to this point without a lot of help from a lot of you. The posts I suppressed were either inflammatory, a complete distraction/waste of time, contained false information verging on that of conspiracy theories, or were berating or insulting to me, and in one case to another player. So I had enough. I reached the point where I couldn't take it anymore. And now here we stand. I don't like doing this but I was pushed to. As things escalated more posts were suppressed and the finest Domestic Minister we've ever had was ejected.

It's not the worst that could happen. At least I'm not outright banning people. I haven't been angered to that point yet. I'm not ruling the possibility out but what I'm saying is that throughout the past two days I have been patient and have practiced restraint with this regional emergency. I could have jumped from suppression to banning but I didn't. I could have pulled executive authority from the delegate but instead I've only made preparations to. I could have put up a password. I warn before I eject. I've cut a lot of slack where some wouldn't have. Our region has never seen things this bad before, but even now, with the situation being what it is, I'm still doing what I can to uphold freedom even in the most subtle of ways.

Also the word tyranny doesn't really apply here. Parakka, Lemon, and Malcholm are our highest ranking leaders which we elected together. If I was being truly tyrannical, then I would have dismissed them as well. So surprise, surprise - I am still trying to honor the democratic principles that we believe in. Even now. This is the reason why I've been and will continue to suppress any post that accuses me of being a dictator, etc. It simply is untrue, insulting, and distracting from the issue. Depending on how such posts are worded, the nation may also end up getting kicked.

Right now the four of us control the region. I am solely responsible and control the state of emergency situation. The role of the other three is to present reforms, post polls, facilitate discussion and debate on government structure, and in general move this region back towards sanity. If there is a disagreement between the four of us at any time we will take it to telegram so as not to distract from the important work that is to be done on this RMB.

The Immortal Elysium wrote:47 messages. A short shift at work.

I come back home. Fix myself something to eat. Sit down at my laptop, boot it back up, and sign on.

Ooh, a notice. I've been dismissed. Oh well.

But how can we decide on government reforms, if you're breaking the region apart?

Now, from an outside perspective, it seems to be Forest Vs. TMC, and I just want it to stop!

Everybody, calm down!

You'll probably be reappointed within the week, perhaps even sooner. You didn't do anything wrong. I only dismissed everyone to get the region's attention. From what I understand the Prime Minister is eager to get his staff back anyway.

Parakka Northland wrote:Now that option 3 was chosen there are a few ways we can do it.

Reduce the government down to 3 ministers, One president (WA delegate) and Vice President (Founder). Each minister can either have specific tasks (defence, domestic affairs and foreign affairs) thus Option 1 or they can be a group of equals Option 2 If specific tasks are chosen then they would have powers necessary to fulfill that role. If equals then they would have all powers. As such the group would act as a Council.

Now if we go for option 2 we could have political parties with proportional reprentation thus simplifying the voting system rather a lot. In that event I would say that elections take place once a quarter with Lunar Council elections running monthly. Now some would ask why is the Founder Vice President, well I think as the Founder is evidently an important part of the region they should be able to participate in its government, but only at the direction of the of the government / president approval.

But if we go for option 1 then I would suggest we hold an election for position Every month. For example, January = Defence Minister, February = Domestic Affairs and so on. This way we could hold ministry elections at the beginning of the month in one week and Lunar Council elections at the end of the month again all in a week. Also by the end of the quarter, we should have a new government, in place.

As such Forestavia or Oakplumington if I’m not on at the completion of the poll can you please set it up. Or if there is no arguement then we can suspend the current poll as it well eventually be up for re-election anyway under the new system.

Alistia I'm going to cancel your poll as the results seem unanimous. So all those embassies can be added to the protection act. FYI Exotic Lemon and Malcholm. This way I can post a new poll relating to the above post made on the RMB a few days ago.

As the only way to sort things out here is to sort the Government issues from what I can see anyway. Don't worry though I won't do anything till tonight to give you, lemon and Malcholm a chance to respond

Alistia, Malcholm

This is absolutely ludicrous. [B]Both sides have escalated this to the point that it's at now, it's not the fault of any one member of our region.

Forestavia, do not ban anyone.

Mugwop, I understand you're livid with how this is being handled. Lay off Oak until the fog clears. It is being handled, more loaded RMB posts will only get you suppressed by me instead of Oak.

Exotic Lemon, Parakka Northland, if you have any love left for our democracy you will not play in to tell way Oak is telling us to do this and you will take a more brazen stance against it. We need to be fixing the region on our terms, not his. I didn't see any issue with the way we opened into debate on the government reform poll, and and I firmly believe there was no cause for alarm or any reason to necessitate instating emergency powers. I don't care how much we talk it out, or how many polls we hold on the issues at hand; I will not condone pushing forward with reform until every minister is restored to their elected position. There is no need for anyone to be temporarily suspended from office over this.

I was two seconds from dropping a nice ICBM on some over-zealous tree-faring folk. My finger isn't getting any further from the trigger.

Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Malcholm wrote:This is absolutely ludicrous. [B]Both sides have escalated this to the point that it's at now, it's not the fault of any one member of our region.

Forestavia, do not ban anyone.

Mugwop, I understand you're livid with how this is being handled. Lay off Oak until the fog clears. It is being handled, more loaded RMB posts will only get you suppressed by me instead of Oak.

Exotic Lemon, Parakka Northland, if you have any love left for our democracy you will not play in to tell way Oak is telling us to do this and you will take a more brazen stance against it. We need to be fixing the region on our terms, not his. I didn't see any issue with the way we opened into debate on the government reform poll, and and I firmly believe there was no cause for alarm or any reason to necessitate instating emergency powers. I don't care how much we talk it out, or how many polls we hold on the issues at hand; I will not condone pushing forward with reform until every minister is restored to their elected position. There is no need for anyone to be temporarily suspended from office over this.

I was two seconds from dropping a nice ICBM on some over-zealous tree-faring folk. My finger isn't getting any further from the trigger.

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Alistia

Oakplumington, What is your issue? I realize after this message I will be kicked and this will be supressed but really wtf. Is this your attempt at trying to get back at the courts decision? Because to be completely honest after you refused to bring back this nation you lost all respect and the right to call yourself the founder. This is disgraceful the amount of torment you have put this region in. You have Zero empathy and understanding if you can kick and suppress like this. You might as well join The Internationale at this point. Disappointing and Sad to say the Least.

Alistia, Chuukango

I've already explained in the previous posts, Civ.

Oakplumington wrote:I've already explained in the previous posts, Civ.

Cool. I really don't care. You deserve to be told. Tje fact you decided to suppress me is horrible. Your own bill, The Basic Rights of Nations Prohibits this and you still do it. I didn't see anywhere in your decree that we werent following law.

Yeah, keep that off the RMB. It's unproductive. The point has already been driven home. I'm hitting up my local coffee shop today, gonna chill and sip a white mocha. Stuff usually gets done when I'm there.

Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:Yeah, keep that off the RMB. It's unproductive. The point has already been driven home. I'm hitting up my local coffee shop today, gonna chill and sip a white mocha. Stuff usually gets done when I'm there.

There was a girl I liked this one time. And I casually brought up the subject of coffee shops. Once I figured out what she liked, I wrote it down. She said she liked white mochas. A few days later I bought her a cup. It was a nice moment.

Gyuamno, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland

Oakplumington wrote:There was a girl I liked this one time. And I casually brought up the subject of coffee shops. Once I figured out what she liked, I wrote it down. She said she liked white mochas. A few days later I bought her a cup. It was a nice moment.

I like white mochas, you like me forest. Hook me up?

Gyuamno, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland

Terran Flux wrote:I like white mochas, you like me forest. Hook me up?

Here ya go! Nice and hot for you.

*Hands white mocha*

Enjoy

Malcholm, Terran Flux

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