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How do you fail to understand the concept of someone making sure that there's always something to keep the region active and engaged? Is there something that I am not making clear?
Civilisunio
I believe Minister of Culture and Domestic Affairs can be merged into one position.
Grand Duke is insignificant to the government, we can abolish the position but keep Grand Duke as a title of nobility for tradition's sake. (Holding no power and not included in government activities)
Truxol, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Please, i will no longer speak to you if you keep getting more agressive. All i am saying is that it can all be done by the public and it will save us an election.
Great idea!zb
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Gyuamno
Get on discord mate.
Well you're failing to understand the concept about the role of the minsitry, but I am not sure if it's my fault for not explaining it well or is it your fault.
Let me break it into points.
1. A region needs to be active.
2. An active region, will eventually slum into inactivity, this is typical because [B]the cycle does not go on forever by itself[/B].
3. You seem to be under the impression that cycle can go on forever without active maintenance from someone. That "the public" will just keep rolling it on and on. This is not true, I wish it was true though, unfortunately there are countless regions who are lost to inactivity.
4. [B]There needs to be someone who kick starts the cycle whenever it slows down[/B]. That is the responsibility of the minister of culture.
5. If your main concern is less election, then [B]I agree with you[/B], but removing one of our organs to save on energy is not the way to go. Personally I think the best path to less elections is making the terms into 4 months instead of 3. This way we have 1 less election season in a year. Whoever there was a vote on this and people chose 3 month terms, so for now that's what we have.
6. Is my point clear now? Is there more that I need to explain? If there's a point that I haven't clarified, please do ask.
Alistia, Truxol, Civilisunio
Metaphorically we would only be removing the appendix.
Which is not an organ and, unlike the minister of culture, has no clear function.
But let me rephrase my point, if you think the cycle of activity goes on forever and doesn't require someone actively being responsible to make sure it keeps spinning, why do so many regions out there die of inactivity when there's no one making sure the region is always active?
Truxol, Civilisunio
Citizens are lazy bums
Truxol
that makes it more useless then.
I was one of the main people who was behind the creation of grand duke, and now it seems the position is no longer really needed, so i can accept the abolition of it.
I agree with mugwop on culture, the ministry needs to stay and needs to do more then just news (as barish also said)
I also nominate [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] to serve another term in domestic affairs
Malcholm
I was going to yell at you for making your nomination here instead of on MC RMB as per system, but at least you used the poll over there.
You're a damn anarchist my friend, a damn anarchist!
On a serious note, [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] please sort yourself out in this list https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=767611 before the election for the Minister of Domestic Affairs.
Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol
Because the people do nothing to support it.
Can we have a decision regarding your position on the judical council. You have been WA delegate now for over a day so you should have made a decision by this point
Civilisunio
But it switches so frequently i would have a hard time deciding.
Which is natural. It happens all the time with the absence of a motivator. The motivator is of course not the person doing all, or even most, of the support, but he's the one who keeps the region stimulated with some sort of activities, so that the people would be intrested in supporting their region.
The minister of culture is our regional motivator. We remove the position, at some point people will get bored, no one will be responsible for re-engaging the region, and eventually we end up like one of the so many dead and inactive regions.
Doesn't matter the region decided that you can't hold multiple positions, as such it's either one or the other.
Civilisunio
Technically the unwritten rule is 48 hours of holding the postion, before he loses the old one.
That's why I will be pushing a vote on this https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=743586#proposals we must have a decisive rule on this. If anyone has any input, please do share.
Parakka Northland
All i am saying is give him some time and maybe ease his decision making by losing some endorsements. I have talked to him personally and he feels strongly about both positions.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Good point i forgot it was a 48 hour thing.
I remember when I became delegate for the first time you were hassling me within minutes to hand in my resignation to the Lunar Council despite it happening at like midnight my time
Alistia, Civilisunio
Diffrent person now.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol, Exotic Lemon
Send me the law please.
Alistia, Truxol
I agree with Civ - The WA Delegate is an unpredictable position to hold. I can resign as Judicial President today, then lose WA Delegate tomorrow. So what was the point of accepting WA Delegate in the first place? I would lose both positions and create open a vacancy in the Lunar Council.
Alistia, Truxol
Don't take this the wrong way: parakka, we get that you really want the delegacy. please, do not rush someone with a difficult decision. I am sure you will gain the delegacy again, so at least give him a day or two to consider his options.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol
says the second laziest bum. As a citizen, I will take the laziest bum title.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol, Viva Italia
Can't as I don't have it, though your welcome to check back throw the RMB and see the many times someone had taken a position whilst holding one and then been asked to resign from one of them. Plus [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] referenced a link earlier that was in relation to the issue and created due to the issue.
I know the feeling and I suffered that fate, I won the Prime Minister position if you remembered and then was made delegate and had to decide which to pick. I in the end ended up losing the delegate position, and was left with nothing! So I understand your situation all to well.
Gyuamno, Truxol
Not about rushing him and me wanting it back. Yes I would like it back no doubt, but I don't think I'm next in line to get it. However, I am treating him in the same manner I have been in the past with respect to being asked to make a decision.
Truxol
I understand. I just didn't interpret it that way. Without emotion in the words its sometimes hard to tell the meaning. Just out of curiosity, who do you think is next in line for it?
Truxol
That is a proposal, never has been sent for a vote. Which is why Mugwop wants to bring it up for a vote as soon as possible.
Exactly, at least you see where I'm coming from regarding the situation :P Accept one position to only lose both in the end (at no fault to your own).
Truxol, Parakka Northland
God knows I haven't looked yet tbh but I'm 2 endorsements off a tie, so for that reason alone I don't think I'm next in line.
Truxol
I meant just speculation, not numbers. I am sure there will be some extra endorsements and withdraws, so I meant just a guess.
Truxol
You are correct it is propposed legislation, but I'm sure you would agree that there has been an historic president set where people have been asked to pick one position when faced with two. Oh yes I know the situation and it is a difficult position to be in.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol
[nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] possibly
Truxol, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
Precedent not President.
😡
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_mystical_council_news_agency/detail=factbook/id=788274
Truxol
can someone pin up my article. And if you are running for delegate (should gyaumno resign) please announce it.
Truxol
*Throws dart at board*
Consider it pinned!
Truxol, Exotic Lemon
I left my darts at home. But I brought my exotic lemonade!
Gyuamno, Truxol
Unpin "Prime Minister Election 3/1/17" and "Regional Information Center" (the latter is available inside "The Mystical Council Government Page")
Truxol
That's actually true. There is no written rule that 1 person can't serve more than 1 postion. It's an oversight loophole that I aim to fix. So far we operated on the rule as an unwritten manner, that each person can only have 1 goverment position. So technically Gy, for now, wouldn't be breaking any rules if he retained both postion.
However, I don't imagine keeping both potions will be a popular move in the region, and this month there's an election for your seat in the JB. So I personally advise you to make a stance and pick a position.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Not unofficial when I announced it on the RMB haha but never mind
Truxol
I know. I assumed you were running but didn't want to say it was official yet
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Parakka is officially removing the unofficial status of an official campaign which was officially mistaken as an unofficial campaign for the not so unofficial office of delegate, officially.
*Adjusts bow tie*
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation] cannot be the judicial president and delegate the same time. Gyuamno may have to be dismissed as judicial president. He cannot hold two seats like that.
Alistia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Officially or unofficially? Lol!
Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
You are adopted.
Forestavia, Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Officially he wouldn't be breaking a rule, yet. Unofficially he would be breaking an unwritten rule
Forestavia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Your a bit late. Look at my original posts please. Lets give him sometime.:)
IDK gyuamno would need to cede one of those positions.
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
It's not going to be too much longer. We'll give him until X amount of time before I have to call a couple of friends over. ;)
Forestavia, Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Like Civ said we should give him some time to decide what he officially wants to do.
This is getting interesting.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Am I a friend? I like having friends.
Parakka Northland
If anyone here is a member of or a friend of The Battle Guard and/or Anticom please report to or send a puppet to one of those two regions. We need soldiers armed with WA. When you arrive, be alert.
Bunicken is at war with the commies.
Now all we need to do is wait for someone to make a captain obvious reference.
Parakka Northland
Did someone say commies!?!?
Truxol, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] you're drafted by the Battle Guard on this mission.
Ewwww Communism!
Parakka Northland
Guess you should go too to lead the Battle Guard.
New Bacon, Truxol
Lol don't play with me I'm going.
Parakka Northland
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
How dare you insult Comrade Igor [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation].
Politburo is being sent to your door as we speak.
New Bacon, Truxol
Politik
Gyuamno, Truxol
knock knock it politburo
Truxol
It's dark in here
alone....surrounded by the dark.
Truxol
Hello darkness, my old friend.
Truxol, Civilisunio
Anyone else needed? Would you like my wa to go?
New Bacon, Truxol
Happy Saint Patrick's Day!
Shamrock shakes are on me!
Forestavia, New Bacon, Truxol, Exotic Lemon
The perfect day to wear my Ireland shirt.
Gyuamno
Time to bring up my 1/4 irishness that I never really embrace :D
Gyuamno
better than my 0% irishness. My friend claims he descended from a petty Irish king, even though I don't believe him.
Truxol
As an Irish person who is descended from a major Irish king he probably is.We had a lot of different kingdoms back in the day
Truxol
I descended from italian royalty and Irish royalty.
I'm descended from Irish Royalty, you can trace my lineage to the mythological Mil Espaine. So, mythological means may or may not be true.
You can trace me back to King McDonald of the Shamrock Shake.
I'm having one right now with lunch, delicious.
Forestavia, Truxol, Civilisunio
[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] still hasn't come online to deal with this list https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=767611 since this has bEen implemented, no one who is not a verified citizen can run for office or vote.
He hasn't nominated himself for a rerun on his postion, but he has been nominated by Alistia.
[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] and [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], the decision is up to you as to whether to proceed without Mal, or delay elections by a day and await his response, or have another alternative. Please come up with an answer A.S.A.P.
Malcholm
He is most active on Discord so I pinged him there. If he doesn't respond we continue without him, he was nominated, so he may decline anyways. We are already behind schedule so I will give him a few hours (5-6), and then the poll will be posted if no response is given.
Malcholm
Alright. Also we are finally on schedule if we have the poll today.
Gyuamno, Malcholm
Then you need to figure out a way to keep endorsements if you choose to stay as delegate.
But this is the 5th+ time youve been delegate for a few days or a week while having both positions.
Either stay judicial president or resign from the wa and join back (or telegram people to un endorse you, or to endorse parakka)
Parakka Northland
You sure?
When i made the new govt thing im pretty sure somewhere some factbook or paragraph can be found about having to resign the other position, and i remember this occured when [nation=short]teurs[/nation] became delegate, someone flashed a legal document and he resigned as judicial president.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
i thought i was on plugo when i did a business issue.. my employment went from top .04% to top 100%... all my good stats dropped, frickin poop!
I don't believe so alice.
Poll over GG
Congrats!
Truxol
Sure [nation=short]truxol[/nation]
Truxol
Yeah put your WA on standby for now.
Truxol
If he doesn't respond move on.
This contains all written laws about TMC https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=747154 Nothing about holding multiple offices.
When Teurs became delegate, Mal demanded that he makes a formal resignation from his previous office, but Mal didn't actually have a formal law. It was just our custom.
Regional Poll • The Mystical Council Minister of Domestic Affairs Election Poll
The Red State of Gyuamno wrote:
The following citizens of The Mystical Council have volunteered themselves, or have been nominated by others, to take on the responsibility of being The Mystical Council Prime Minister. Vote for the individual you believe is best fit to handle this responsibility.
Umm what?
It wasn't just [nation=short]Teurs[/nation] though that this happened too so it's only fair to previous delegates if the same unwritten rules are followed
Alistia
ST PATRICKS POLL!!! VOTE!!!!! 🌈🌈🌈🌈
I would say that Gy has dun goofed, but this is my fault. I take responsibility for this and I am sorry. In this dispatch https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=743586 I have copy/pasted the text in a place and I forgot to edit this one bit about the "Minister of Domestic Affairs Election Poll" My apologies. I have now fixed the dispatch.
Oh well. The title of the poll is self explanatory though. No need to remake it and waste time.
[B]Also poll for the JB candidacy https://www.nationstates.net/region=mystical_council#poll this is for [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]'s seat.[/B]
I don't know what to tell you buddy. In any case, coming up next will be the election for JB so I guess people can vote in a way that expresses their opinion on that matter, until we have a solid law about this.
I'm going to write a law that prohibits holding of multiple offices I think it's flat out wrong.
Alistia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Welcome back [nation=short]Dosh Semiw[/nation]!
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
As Forest said welcome back [nation=short]Dosh Semiw[/nation]
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
I agree with this, but since this is a first time situation I think we should give our delegate one more day to decide. After this one exception (because it is unprecedented), I fully support the idea of 48 hours to take a stance and pick a position.
New Bacon, Truxol, Civilisunio
This is now irrelevent as parakka just took the delegacy.
Truxol
Just a little thought. Maybe we should restrict thw length a delegate can hold office. Not how many terms, that would be infinite, but i meant how long the terms are.
Exotic Lemon
considering our delegate has changed about 7 times in the past few weeks I would say for now it is unnecessary. Once things stabilize I agree with a term limit(probably around 100-200 days)
Truxol
I can't promise you two that the delegacy is going to be stable but I agree that there should be a term limit if there is a long serving delegate.
Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
You seem to be the only member of tmc to hold the delegacy for more than 50 days in row. Clearly you have some form of magic.
New Bacon, Truxol
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