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The only problem I see with the poll is that the Lunar Council members are judges by definition. The constitution grants them that power. Unless...Are you suggesting we create a fourth branch of government - a judicial branch?

Trebisond

I will run for a councilor spot.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Inca Tribals, Order Of Hospitallers

Oakplumington wrote:The only problem I see with the poll is that the Lunar Council members are judges by definition. The constitution grants them that power. Unless...Are you suggesting we create a fourth branch of government - a judicial branch?

I think the lunar council should have a say, but that they don't get full power to decide punishments.

But based on the amount of cases this week, you all will most likely stall this decision.

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Oakplumington wrote:The only problem I see with the poll is that the Lunar Council members are judges by definition. The constitution grants them that power. Unless...Are you suggesting we create a fourth branch of government - a judicial branch?

We should make a fourth branch, but the council should have some say.

If we do this that would mean a new clause in the consitution

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Trebisond wrote:I will run for a councilor spot.

I would also like to run.

Malcholm

Post self-deleted by Malcholm.

The Mystical Council's Supreme Court hereby convenes to for the initiate the trial of [nation=short]The Snake Treaders[/nation] v. The Mystical Council. The prosecution [any Lunar Councillor or Lunar Court Justice] is hereby called to the RMB to present the case on behalf of the region.

Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Order Of Hospitallers

Malcholm wrote:The Mystical Council's Supreme Court hereby convenes to for the initiate the trial of [nation=short]The Snake Treaders[/nation] v. The Mystical Council. The prosecution [any Lunar Councillor or Lunar Court Justice] is hereby called to the RMB to present the case on behalf of the region.

Guilty with permanet banjection

Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Fascism Vector

Perma ban

Fascism Vector

HE WILL NEVER JOIN AGAIN

he was part of a communist invasion force. enough said.

perma ban

Great! But I need a briefing of the case, not a verdict. Something similar to [spoiler=this.]

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:I'll restate my post from several days ago:

The Lunar High Admiral is accused of violating the constitution of The Mystical Council by abusing its powers as delegates as follows:

Without any deliberation, trial, or support from the Sentagon or Lunar Council, The Lunar High Admiral unconstitutionally banned several nations from The Mystical Council, including two long - term residents, New England Bastards and Forestavia. In addition, The Lunar High Admiral unconstitutionally stripped all powers from the Lunar Council.

The Lunar High Admiral also appointed officers who also abused their powers by unconstitutionally suppressing a large number of RMB posts and attempted to replace the constitution with one that would have given that nation arguably dictatorial powers. While The Lunar High Admiral is not on trial for either of these acts, they may be informative in understanding motive.

[/spoiler]

The prosecution has one hour from the time of initiation to present an adequate case to the court. Past that, the defense will have one hour to present a rebuttal.

If the prosecution fails to present an adequate case within the allotted time, charges will be dropped. There's no precedent set for this yet, however I believe a criminal should not be tried twice for the same crime. If you want [nation=short]the_snake_treaders[/nation] convicted, hurry up!

Malcholm wrote:The prosecution has one hour from the time of initiation to present an adequate case to the court. Past that, the defense will have one hour to present a rebuttal.

If the prosecution fails to present an adequate case within the allotted time, charges will be dropped. There's no precedent set for this yet, however I believe a criminal should not be tried twice for the same crime. If you want [nation=short]the_snake_treaders[/nation] convicted, hurry up!

Would this work I took it straight out of oak criminals of February.

1. The United States of The Snake Treaders:

Abused communications authority by unnecessarily silencing vast sections of the RMB.

3 days 5 hours ago: The Snake Treaders revoked posting privileges on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board from nations in embassy regions.

3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Oppressed Peoples of Vaspassia as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Republic of Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Protectorate of AU912 Mystical Council Consulate as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The United Provinces of New Bacon as President of Sentagon / Map Minister of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Nomadic Peoples of ChingisLan as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Vereint Reich of Malcholm as Lunar Council President of The Mystical Council.

Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers

Everloyal wrote:Would this work I took it straight out of oak criminals of February.

1. The United States of The Snake Treaders:

Abused communications authority by unnecessarily silencing vast sections of the RMB.

3 days 5 hours ago: The Snake Treaders revoked posting privileges on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board from nations in embassy regions.

3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Oppressed Peoples of Vaspassia as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Republic of Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Protectorate of AU912 Mystical Council Consulate as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The United Provinces of New Bacon as President of Sentagon / Map Minister of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Nomadic Peoples of ChingisLan as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

•3 days 6 hours ago: The Snake Treaders dismissed The Vereint Reich of Malcholm as Lunar Council President of The Mystical Council.

Thank you! I'd have rather had it come from one of the Councillors or Court Justices, but I'll make an exception.

Order Of Hospitallers

Malcholm wrote:The prosecution has one hour from the time of initiation to present an adequate case to the court. Past that, the defense will have one hour to present a rebuttal.

If the prosecution fails to present an adequate case within the allotted time, charges will be dropped. There's no precedent set for this yet, however I believe a criminal should not be tried twice for the same crime. If you want [nation=short]the_snake_treaders[/nation] convicted, hurry up!

So would that work?

Malcholm wrote:Thank you! I'd have rather had it come from one of the Councillors or Court Justices, but I'll make an exception.

Hell from me or them does it matter? The difference between me and them is I am on.

Malcholm

The prosecution has made their case, seeking the permanent banishment of [nation=short]The_snake_treaders[/nation] from The Mystical Council. Defense, the court requests that you now take the stand and present your opening statements.

OOC: My government course is slowly but surely trickling back into my head.

Forestavia

Post self-deleted by Malcholm.

Everloyal wrote:Hell from me or them does it matter? The difference between me and them is I am on.

Not really. Now that I think about it, it's probably actually better that you did it. The Lunar Council should judge, and Sentagon should be jury.

Everloyal wrote:So would that work?

Absolutely.

The defense now has until 11:36 to present. If this time is not met, the court will adjourn and reconvene when it's time to cast votes and seek a verdict.

Alright, I'd like to tear the poll to shreds. Let's review.

______

First off! You're proposing to create

The Poll wrote:Any nation with the regional rank of delegate, president or judge may not run for the lunar council.( For example: If you are a judge you may not also be a lunar councilor. )"
when
The Constitution wrote:25. The Delegate may not hold a seat on the Lunar Council or in Sentagon.
already exists, and I don't appreciate redundancy.

______

The Lunar Council has a President. Sentagon has a President. Are you suggesting that the Lunar Council shouldn't have a president, or that the most senior member shouldn't be able to run for re-election? That's just as bad as setting up an infinite FOR loop in Java, because you'll never stop removing Councillors! If that were to continue, Councillors wouldn't be able to stay in office for more than a couple terms. It doesn't make sense! I can see why you wouldn't want a Delegate to also be a Lunar Councillor, but that's already mentioned in the Constitution. If you're seeking to heavily alter the duties of the Lunar Council in regards to it's judiciary powers, then propose comprehensive legislation, not a flash poll designed to contradict existing legislation. It also seems that you're suggesting that Sentagon's most valued shouldn't be able to seek a seat among the Lunar Councillors? What's wrong with that? Lastly, what judge? Do we have judges? Are you inciting that the Lunar Council shouldn't be allowed to do their duty as designated by the Constitution? The Lunar Council are Supreme Court justices in the same sense that SCOTUS justices are Supreme Court justices.

'Regional rank' has no working definition within the current bounds of the constitution, so..? I suppose that you may have viewed the Lunar Council and Sentagon as a combined Legislative Branch, such is the Senate and House of Representatives, but this is not the case. If you want to further divide the responsibilities of our existing government, then take away the Lunar Council's power to propose legislation and divide Sentagon into two sub-entities similar to the Senate and HoR. It would make much more sense.

There's one more thing that I think everyone's missing. I saw earlier that Oak mentioned that Hospitallers may be seeking a fourth 'judicial' branch of government. Thing is, there already is a Judicial Branch. It's called the Lunar Council, and it currently has a panel of five Supreme Court justices. The Delegate and their Cabinet make up the Executive Branch, Sentagon is the Legislative Branch, and the Lunar Council is the Judicial Branch. I thought that concept was clear-cut, but it seems I was wrong, just as I had assumed that everyone had at least glanced the Constitution.

Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Everloyal

The defense has failed to present their opening statement within the allotted amount of time. The Supreme Court of The Mystical Council hereby adjourns this court session. The verdict of [nation=short]the Snake Treaders[/nation] v. The Mystical Council will now go to vote. Lunar Council members, the poll will be up in [region=Sentagon] shortly.

Malcholm wrote:Alright, I'd like to tear the poll to shreds. Let's review.

______

First off! You're proposing to create

when already exists, and I don't appreciate redundancy.

______

The Lunar Council has a President. Sentagon has a President. Are you suggesting that the Lunar Council shouldn't have a president, or that the most senior member shouldn't be able to run for re-election? That's just as bad as setting up an infinite FOR loop in Java, because you'll never stop removing Councillors! If that were to continue, Councillors wouldn't be able to stay in office for more than a couple terms. It doesn't make sense! I can see why you wouldn't want a Delegate to also be a Lunar Councillor, but that's already mentioned in the Constitution. If you're seeking to heavily alter the duties of the Lunar Council in regards to it's judiciary powers, then propose comprehensive legislation, not a flash poll designed to contradict existing legislation. It also seems that you're suggesting that Sentagon's most valued shouldn't be able to seek a seat among the Lunar Councillors? What's wrong with that? Lastly, what judge? Do we have judges? Are you inciting that the Lunar Council shouldn't be allowed to do their duty as designated by the Constitution? The Lunar Council are Supreme Court justices in the same sense that SCOTUS justices are Supreme Court justices.

'Regional rank' has no working definition within the current bounds of the constitution, so..? I suppose that you may have viewed the Lunar Council and Sentagon as a combined Legislative Branch, such is the Senate and House of Representatives, but this is not the case. If you want to further divide the responsibilities of our existing government, then take away the Lunar Council's power to propose legislation and divide Sentagon into two sub-entities similar to the Senate and HoR. It would make much more sense.

There's one more thing that I think everyone's missing. I saw earlier that Oak mentioned that Hospitallers may be seeking a fourth 'judicial' branch of government. Thing is, there already is a Judicial Branch. It's called the Lunar Council, and it currently has a panel of five Supreme Court justices. The Delegate and their Cabinet make up the Executive Branch, Sentagon is the Legislative Branch, and the Lunar Council is the Judicial Branch. I thought that concept was clear-cut, but it seems I was wrong, just as I had assumed that everyone had at least glanced the Constitution.

Lol leave it to Malcholm

Forestavia, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Malcholm wrote:Lunar Council members, the poll will be up in [region=Sentagon] shortly.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=50378

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

~RP~

Via letter with the official seal of Forestavia.

To: The Delegate - Order Of Hospitallers

From: The Government of Forestavia, Sentagon

It has come to our attention that you have rightfully exercised your right as defined by the working regional constitution to appoint cabinet members of your choice and with titles of your choice. However, the titles "Lunar Judge" and "Lunar Justice" remain obscure and vague at best and downright confusing at worst. There is a Lunar Council made up of five positions. This body is both legislative and judicial. The nations serving on the Lunar Council, to our understanding, are fully in charge of justice in this region. Their names are: Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Jegerkompaniet, Vaspassia, and Tumetu-Iin Noyan. Are you trying to amend the constitution in such a way as to take away the rightful authority belonging to our Lunar Council? Are you trying to create a fourth branch of government that deals only with justice? The constitutional amendment currently running in the poll, if passed, will be challenged. The Forestavian government believes the Section 11 amendment to be unconstitutional in that it is out of sinc with many other parts of the constitution. No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line. Is it really necessary to have more than five justices? Does our regional government need to expand anymore than it already has? The Lunar Council has been elected by the people. Your cabinet members have not been elected but appointed by you to help you serve the region more effectively. It seems to some of us here in Forestavia believe that there is something more sinister afoot in our region's capitol.

Yours Truly,

The High Council of Forestavia

The Senate of Forestavia

((OOC - This ought to get interesting real fast! :P))

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers

Nice job on the WFE! :)

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Malcholm wrote:The defense has failed to present their opening statement within the allotted amount of time. The Supreme Court of The Mystical Council hereby adjourns this court session. The verdict of [nation=short]the Snake Treaders[/nation] v. The Mystical Council will now go to vote. Lunar Council members, the poll will be up in [region=Sentagon] shortly.

I vote guillotine.

Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:Not really. Now that I think about it, it's probably actually better that you did it. The Lunar Council should judge, and Sentagon should be jury.

You do realise if Sentagon, is meant to play a jury type role then they shouldn't be allowed to play a part in either defence or prosecution. As Sentagon should remain independent until it becomes time to vote (if required)

Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers

West Castlemaine wrote:I vote guillotine.

I want home hanged drawn and quartered.

Order Of Hospitallers

Congrats to the following five countries! You have the most valuable currencies in the region. Give yourselves a pat on the back. :)

1: The United Provinces of New Bacon

1 New Bacon Dollar = $1.83

or $1 = 0.55 New Bacon Dollar

2: The Federal Republic of Fascism Vector

1 Yok = $1.68

or $1 = 0.60 Yok

3: The Theocracy of Order of Hospitallers

1 Doeg = $1.59

or $1 = 0.63 Doeg

4: The Vereint Reich of Malcholm

1 Malcholmian Dollar = $1.51

or $1 = 0.66 Malcholmian Dollar

5: The The Glorious Soviet State of Vedan

1 Edensia = $1.49

or $1 = 0.67 Edensia

Vedan, New Bacon, Malcholm, Everloyal, Order Of Hospitallers

Forestavia wrote:~RP~

Via letter with the official seal of Forestavia.

To: The Delegate - Order Of Hospitallers

From: The Government of Forestavia, Sentagon

It has come to our attention that you have rightfully exercised your right as defined by the working regional constitution to appoint cabinet members of your choice and with titles of your choice. However, the titles "Lunar Judge" and "Lunar Justice" remain obscure and vague at best and downright confusing at worst. There is a Lunar Council made up of five positions. This body is both legislative and judicial. The nations serving on the Lunar Council, to our understanding, are fully in charge of justice in this region. Their names are: Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Jegerkompaniet, Vaspassia, and Tumetu-Iin Noyan. Are you trying to amend the constitution in such a way as to take away the rightful authority belonging to our Lunar Council? Are you trying to create a fourth branch of government that deals only with justice? The constitutional amendment currently running in the poll, if passed, will be challenged. The Forestavian government believes the Section 11 amendment to be unconstitutional in that it is out of sinc with many other parts of the constitution. No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line. Is it really necessary to have more than five justices? Does our regional government need to expand anymore than it already has? The Lunar Council has been elected by the people. Your cabinet members have not been elected but appointed by you to help you serve the region more effectively. It seems to some of us here in Forestavia believe that there is something more sinister afoot in our region's capitol.

Yours Truly,

The High Council of Forestavia

The Senate of Forestavia

((OOC - This ought to get interesting real fast! :P))

The

Parakka Northland wrote:You do realise if Sentagon, is meant to play a jury type role then they shouldn't be allowed to play a part in either defence or prosecution. As Sentagon should remain independent until it becomes time to vote (if required)

~~RP~~

I agree ^.

Montesquieu - The Seperation of Powers.

JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER! * screams the grandmaster *

THAT IS THE CURRENY FUNCTION OF THE COUNCIL!

They help decide if the accused is guilty or innocent, and then get to decide the punishment, which is unacceptable!

With all due respect they do not need both of those powers.

Either they help decide the innocence or they help decide the punishment, not both.

Oakplumington

Forestavia wrote:~RP~

Via letter with the official seal of Forestavia.

To: The Delegate - Order Of Hospitallers

From: The Government of Forestavia, Sentagon

It has come to our attention that you have rightfully exercised your right as defined by the working regional constitution to appoint cabinet members of your choice and with titles of your choice. However, the titles "Lunar Judge" and "Lunar Justice" remain obscure and vague at best and downright confusing at worst. There is a Lunar Council made up of five positions. This body is both legislative and judicial. The nations serving on the Lunar Council, to our understanding, are fully in charge of justice in this region. Their names are: Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Jegerkompaniet, Vaspassia, and Tumetu-Iin Noyan. Are you trying to amend the constitution in such a way as to take away the rightful authority belonging to our Lunar Council? Are you trying to create a fourth branch of government that deals only with justice? The constitutional amendment currently running in the poll, if passed, will be challenged. The Forestavian government believes the Section 11 amendment to be unconstitutional in that it is out of sinc with many other parts of the constitution. No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line. Is it really necessary to have more than five justices? Does our regional government need to expand anymore than it already has? The Lunar Council has been elected by the people. Your cabinet members have not been elected but appointed by you to help you serve the region more effectively. It seems to some of us here in Forestavia believe that there is something more sinister afoot in our region's capitol.

Yours Truly,

The High Council of Forestavia

The Senate of Forestavia

((OOC - This ought to get interesting real fast! :P))

It is the Constitution that gives me the power to appoint members of cabinet.

Much like the function of the president of the united states.

They appoint justices.

But if the council is so afraid then we could ad a new function.

The delegate nominates judges but the council can swear them in?

Forestavia wrote:~RP~

Via letter with the official seal of Forestavia.

To: The Delegate - Order Of Hospitallers

From: The Government of Forestavia, Sentagon

It has come to our attention that you have rightfully exercised your right as defined by the working regional constitution to appoint cabinet members of your choice and with titles of your choice. However, the titles "Lunar Judge" and "Lunar Justice" remain obscure and vague at best and downright confusing at worst. There is a Lunar Council made up of five positions. This body is both legislative and judicial. The nations serving on the Lunar Council, to our understanding, are fully in charge of justice in this region. Their names are: Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Jegerkompaniet, Vaspassia, and Tumetu-Iin Noyan. Are you trying to amend the constitution in such a way as to take away the rightful authority belonging to our Lunar Council? Are you trying to create a fourth branch of government that deals only with justice? The constitutional amendment currently running in the poll, if passed, will be challenged. The Forestavian government believes the Section 11 amendment to be unconstitutional in that it is out of sinc with many other parts of the constitution. No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line. Is it really necessary to have more than five justices? Does our regional government need to expand anymore than it already has? The Lunar Council has been elected by the people. Your cabinet members have not been elected but appointed by you to help you serve the region more effectively. It seems to some of us here in Forestavia believe that there is something more sinister afoot in our region's capitol.

Yours Truly,

The High Council of Forestavia

The Senate of Forestavia

((OOC - This ought to get interesting real fast! :P))

Im saying that the council shouldn't have all judicial powers.

" No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line "

EXECUTIVE OVERREACH!? AHAHHAHAHAH!

Considering many delegates have caused terror and banjected many people i feel i am not close to that line at all, as i am just following the Constitution, our people are horrified by your statement and tensions rise between our two nations....

Forestavia wrote:Congrats to the following five countries! You have the most valuable currencies in the region. Give yourselves a pat on the back. :)

1: The United Provinces of New Bacon

1 New Bacon Dollar = $1.83

or $1 = 0.55 New Bacon Dollar

2: The Federal Republic of Fascism Vector

1 Yok = $1.68

or $1 = 0.60 Yok

3: The Theocracy of Order of Hospitallers

1 Doeg = $1.59

or $1 = 0.63 Doeg

4: The Vereint Reich of Malcholm

1 Malcholmian Dollar = $1.51

or $1 = 0.66 Malcholmian Dollar

5: The The Glorious Soviet State of Vedan

1 Edensia = $1.49

or $1 = 0.67 Edensia

This nation is a socialist hellhole.

Trebisond

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:Im saying that the council shouldn't have all judicial powers.

" No one has yet cried that horrifying allegation "Executive Overreach!" But your nation is creeping ever closer to that line "

EXECUTIVE OVERREACH!? AHAHHAHAHAH!

Considering many delegates have caused terror and banjected many people i feel i am not close to that line at all, as i am just following the Constitution, our people are horrified by your statement and tensions rise between our two nations....

Me and many other nations will stand behind oak... No matter what.

Nordrlond Mercenarys

Everloyal wrote:Me and many other nations will stand behind oak... No matter what.

Speak for yourself.

I like oak but i do agree that all judicial powers shouldn't be held in the council.

West Castlemaine, Nordrlond Mercenarys

Trebisond wrote:Speak for yourself.

I like oak but i do agree that all judicial powers shouldn't be held in the council.

You can have your opinion I was referring to "tensions rise between our two nations..."

Nordrlond Mercenarys

Everloyal wrote:You can have your opinion I was referring to "tensions rise between our two nations..."

Very interesting, do you think the majority supports oak or the delegate?

Everloyal wrote:You can have your opinion I was referring to "tensions rise between our two nations..."

i was just stating that in the roleplay, but of course, in the roleplay you and i are already bitter

Nordrlond Mercenarys wrote:Very interesting, do you think the majority supports oak or the delegate?

I'm not sure I'm on either side. I do feel that I may have too much power as a member of the Lunar Council, but if we want a judiciary separate from the Lunar Council we'll need to do quite a bit of discussion to flesh out exactly how it will work before I'd be willing to support it.

Malcholm, Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers

(mine) http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=591055

I made a sort of profile for my nations leader based of of this factbook: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=liburia/detail=factbook/id=589499

you all should do the same, it would be cool!

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Trebisond

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:I'm not sure I'm on either side. I do feel that I may have too much power as a member of the Lunar Council, but if we want a judiciary separate from the Lunar Council we'll need to do quite a bit of discussion to flesh out exactly how it will work before I'd be willing to support it.

I agree, my idea is just a proposal

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

I will suspend the judges in the cabinet, until friday.

Hopefully a decision will be made by then

Oakplumington

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:(mine) http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=591055

I made a sort of profile for my nations leader based of of this factbook: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=liburia/detail=factbook/id=589499

you all should do the same, it would be cool!

thats cool, ill make one

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:i was just stating that in the roleplay, but of course, in the roleplay you and i are already bitter

I suppose above of my statement I should of said RP

I don't have an opinion 'cause I don't really know what's going on....

Trebisond

Well this region and anticom are fascist sympathizers *cries*

well you know what they say, if you cant beat em join em

Fascism Vector wrote:Well this region and anticom are fascist sympathizers *cries*

well you know what they say, if you cant beat em join em

He he, our spys finally put out your old extremist regime, and although we didn't want you to be fascist, its better then before.

Updated the info center a little.

Malcholm

Everloyal wrote:I suppose above of my statement I should of said RP

I'm guilty of that too. I'll try to get better with the RP/OOC designations. It's usually easy enough to figure it out based on context but the way we play, things tend to blend together. One minute well be talking OOC. The next we'll be RPing an OOC government thing. And the next we'll be doing a IC RP. Anyone up for some alphabet soup? ;)

Malcholm

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:The~~RP~~

I agree ^.

Montesquieu - The Seperation of Powers.

JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER! * screams the grandmaster *

THAT IS THE CURRENY FUNCTION OF THE COUNCIL!

They help decide if the accused is guilty or innocent, and then get to decide the punishment, which is unacceptable!

With all due respect they do not need both of those powers.

Either they help decide the innocence or they help decide the punishment, not both.

RP:

"But," said Potato slyly, "It is important to have an efficient government. These five have been elected." He leaned over and whispered "Let's keep the government small shall we?" He pushed a wad of Baps in the grandmaster's direction. "The Council may be powerful, but that is why we have two other branches to keep them in check."

Potato had fully recovered from his time in the hospital and was doing better than ever.

Oh darn. I thought I was under Forestavia for that last post. I'm turning in for the night. Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow.

Malcholm, Nordrlond Mercenarys

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:(mine) http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=591055

I made a sort of profile for my nations leader based of of this factbook: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=liburia/detail=factbook/id=589499

you all should do the same, it would be cool!

mine: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=au912_mystical_council_consulate/detail=factbook/id=591157

IC the leader of Vedan Kragon Khalin appears on regional tv with a important announcement.

"People of the Mystical council I am Kragon Khalin. Many of you know me as the liberator of vedan from the evils of vulture capitalism. Other know me only as a extremist bent on the destruction of there way of life but today that does not matter. No today I come to you not as leader of vedan but as a concerned old man fearfull for his regions future. For you see it has come to my attention that certain members of the ANTICOM alliance of which the mystical council is a part express the ideals of a horrible ideology known as fascism and wishes to see it spread something that cannot be tolerated. Some of you may now be wondering why this should concern them. It is understandable few now remember the horrors of Zikzator or the Vedanian Invasion of Oakplummington of the rampant death and destruction that perpetuated the region when it was still young. However there is at least one of us who still remembers one of us who still sees a field of Forestavian corpses stretched out before him every time he closes his eyes one who hears the charismatic voice of Zolo Wilson speaking to him on warm sunny days ushering thousands of young men to die for his personal gain. And fortunately he is here to tell you the truth about fascism and what it has already done to our vulnerable region. It all started with a man named Zolo Wilson who ruled over a nation known as Zikzator decades ago. Zolo was a greedy manipulative man who managed to spread his country's reach far and wide first to my country and then to a small portion of Forestavia known as Oakplummington. With considerable success he managed to sway my colleagues on the Vedanian Mystical Council (the former ruling body of vedan) into helping certain elements of Oakplummington society lead a revolution agents Forestavia establishing a independent nation lead by a totalitarian puppet regime. Inspired by our success The Facist members of the Council decided to launch a bloody invasion of Forestavia in a bid to capture more land for them to rule over leading to the deaths of countless innocents. After that the citizens of Oakplummington began to see that they had made a terrible mistake and revolted agents the tyrannical rule they were subjected to day after day. The Oakplummington government panicked and pleaded for help from the Vedanian and Zikzatorian Military. Our action was swift and without mercy.......my nations troops swarmed into Oakplummington killing men women and children alike before taking a large portion of land which is know known as The Oakton Tract named after the leader of Oakplummington who's tyranny lead to it's annexation. However it is what occured in the area that was not annexed that I am shamed to tell you, for you see after the people of Oakplummington were crushed they were forced to undergo a process of cruel eugenics and cultural destruction carried out by the Vedanian military which intalled the castration of every male in the nation no matter how young or how old and the rape and forced inpregnattion of the women of Oakplummington by the vedanian troops. Even today children in Oakplummington are born with red eyes and worship a pantheon that was forced upon there ancestors in a language which they did not speak." he wipes his Brow and pauses to catch his breath "It has now been long since Zikzator collapsed and The Mystical Council was replaced by the Vedanian Soviet however the threat of Facism has not yet passed. No it looms over us now looking for every chance it has to destroy all of our regions progress and plunge us back into the days of Zikzator to the days of petty wars and unfathomable misery it is for that reason why we must fight it at every turn. We must end our relationship with the warmongers of ANTICOM who would gleefully plunge us into wars ten times the scale of the ones I have told you about. We must end our hostility towards the red fleet who even know is valently trying to guard agents the restoration of a region bent on the spreading of racist ideals like those exemplified by the vedanian military force in oakplummington. And we must end all tolerance for the evil tenets of Fascism which has done nothing but bring death and destruction to this land and countless others. If we do not then there is no telling what shall befall us.

Forestavia, Malcholm

Vedan wrote:IC the leader of Vedan Kragon Khalin appears on regional tv with a important announcement.

"People of the Mystical council I am Kragon Khalin. Many of you know me as the liberator of vedan from the evils of vulture capitalism. Other know me only as a extremist bent on the destruction of there way of life but today that does not matter. No today I come to you not as leader of vedan but as a concerned old man fearfull for his regions future. For you see it has come to my attention that certain members of the ANTICOM alliance of which the mystical council is a part express the ideals of a horrible ideology known as fascism and wishes to see it spread something that cannot be tolerated. Some of you may now be wondering why this should concern them. It is understandable few now remember the horrors of Zikzator or the Vedanian Invasion of Oakplummington of the rampant death and destruction that perpetuated the region when it was still young. However there is at least one of us who still remembers one of us who still sees a field of Forestavian corpses stretched out before him every time he closes his eyes one who hears the charismatic voice of Zolo Wilson speaking to him on warm sunny days ushering thousands of young men to die for his personal gain. And fortunately he is here to tell you the truth about fascism and what it has already done to our vulnerable region. It all started with a man named Zolo Wilson who ruled over a nation known as Zikzator decades ago. Zolo was a greedy manipulative man who managed to spread his country's reach far and wide first to my country and then to a small portion of Forestavia known as Oakplummington. With considerable success he managed to sway my colleagues on the Vedanian Mystical Council (the former ruling body of vedan) into helping certain elements of Oakplummington society lead a revolution agents Forestavia establishing a independent nation lead by a totalitarian puppet regime. Inspired by our success The Facist members of the Council decided to launch a bloody invasion of Forestavia in a bid to capture more land for them to rule over leading to the deaths of countless innocents. After that the citizens of Oakplummington began to see that they had made a terrible mistake and revolted agents the tyrannical rule they were subjected to day after day. The Oakplummington government panicked and pleaded for help from the Vedanian and Zikzatorian Military. Our action was swift and without mercy.......my nations troops swarmed into Oakplummington killing men women and children alike before taking a large portion of land which is know known as The Oakton Tract named after the leader of Oakplummington who's tyranny lead to it's annexation. However it is what occured in the area that was not annexed that I am shamed to tell you, for you see after the people of Oakplummington were crushed they were forced to undergo a process of cruel eugenics and cultural destruction carried out by the Vedanian military which intalled the castration of every male in the nation no matter how young or how old and the rape and forced inpregnattion of the women of Oakplummington by the vedanian troops. Even today children in Oakplummington are born with red eyes and worship a pantheon that was forced upon there ancestors in a language which they did not speak." he wipes his Brow and pauses to catch his breath "It has now been long since Zikzator collapsed and The Mystical Council was replaced by the Vedanian Soviet however the threat of Facism has not yet passed. No it looms over us now looking for every chance it has to destroy all of our regions progress and plunge us back into the days of Zikzator to the days of petty wars and unfathomable misery it is for that reason why we must fight it at every turn. We must end our relationship with the warmongers of ANTICOM who would gleefully plunge us into wars ten times the scale of the ones I have told you about. We must end our hostility towards the red fleet who even know is valently trying to guard agents the restoration of a region bent on the spreading of racist ideals like those exemplified by the vedanian military force in oakplummington. And we must end all tolerance for the evil tenets of Fascism which has done nothing but bring death and destruction to this land and countless others. If we do not then there is no telling what shall befall us.

Damn commie the red fleet "Liberated" us once it wasn't so glorious.

Order Of Hospitallers

Everloyal wrote:Damn commie the red fleet "Liberated" us once it wasn't so glorious.

Because the Facists brought them here. We just wound up in the crossfire of there righteous torpedos.

Vedan wrote:Because the Facists brought them here. We just wound up in the crossfire of there righteous torpedos.

Yes because you commies do nothing wrong... Take no blame.

IC the people in the recording studio are quick to correct the name of the land annexed from oakplummington as the Darkness Riseing ridge and try and cover up the mistake. (The Oakton tract is a stretch of woodland in eastern Vedan named after Plum Oakton because it's full of Rabbits.)

OOC: Its Been a long time since we did that RP. And I kinda got two of his leaders mixed up.

Everloyal wrote:Yes because you commies do nothing wrong... Take no blame.

Oh No we take full blame. You see it's just that we distribute the blame equally across the entire nations population. So it kinda gets waterd down to near nothingness pretty easily.

Vedan wrote:Oh No we take full blame. You see it's just that we distribute the blame equally across the entire nations population. So it kinda gets waterd down to near nothingness pretty easily.

Look anticom is a protected embassy you would have to convince some people to change that.

Malcholm

Post self-deleted by Vedan.

Everloyal wrote:Look anticom is a protected embassy you would have to convince some people to change that.

Which I'm currently trying to do. You see it's all apart of my master plan to get the Mystical Council to leave ANTICOM and join the red fleet. :) You should join me it's kinda fun being a fifth columnist.

Forestavia, Malcholm

Annnnnnnd I got a new flag. :P

Forestavia

Vedan wrote:Which I'm currently trying to do. You see it's all apart of my master plan to get the Mystical Council to leave ANTICOM and join the red fleet. :) You should join me it's kinda fun being a fifth columnist.

Lol I came here from the bloc I was a part of a tag raid I have seen your side. Besides I am going to try to get us to create an beasts with KAISERREICH.

Good to see that this wonderful region is flourishing!

As the new FA of Grand Central, I'd like to extend a welcoming hand to you guys.

What this "welcoming hand" entails:

Firstly, an invitation to pick an ambassador to represent your region in an on-forum embassy. (No need to move any puppets anywhere)

Secondly, an invitation to move some random puppet into the region, which qualifies you for a citizenship.

Both diplomatic and citizenship applications can be found here: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Grand_Central/forum/3239276/

With a reg. citizenship, you have a right to be involved in anything, vote for anything and run for any position. With a diplomatic citizenship, you can participate in forum based discussions.

I hope to see you guys out and about in the region!

PS: This in no way means I expect you to prefer GC over this region, or have conflicting interests, merely an invitation to have some fun, and meet new people!

Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm

Excellent post Vedan!

Vedan wrote:Which I'm currently trying to do. You see it's all apart of my master plan to get the Mystical Council to leave ANTICOM and join the red fleet. :) You should join me it's kinda fun being a fifth columnist.

Do you have NS++? I was thinking you could start an anti-fascist newspaper.

Forestavia wrote:Do you have NS++? I was thinking you could start an anti-fascist newspaper.

i could give him the authority

Oakplumington

Forestavia wrote:Excellent post Vedan!

excellent post? you support commies now?

this region is messed up so im gone

Wtf just happened? First of all someone take that flag.

Hospitallers... Well I hated him first.

What just happened here?

Anyways, if there are any anti-communists among you, you can still help ANTICOM.

Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Fascism Vector

West Castlemaine wrote:What just happened here?

Anyways, if there are any anti-communists among you, you can still help ANTICOM.

I am not sure, it looks like the founder is supporting a communist from TRF, and hospitallers went beserk.

I am anti communist, and ive heard good things about C.U. so ill be moving there

Fascism Vector

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:I am not sure, it looks like the founder is supporting a communist from TRF, and hospitallers went beserk.

I am anti communist, and ive heard good things about C.U. so ill be moving there

No oak just supports everyone's rights to free speech and wants to make this region have more then one view.

Malcholm, Oakplumington, West Castlemaine

Everloyal wrote:No oak just supports everyone's rights to free speech and wants to make this region have more then one view.

Oak is too much of a pacifist.

One day TRF raids his region the next day they are buddy buddy?

West Castlemaine wrote:What just happened here?

Anyways, if there are any anti-communists among you, you can still help ANTICOM.

How can we help anticom?

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:I am not sure, it looks like the founder is supporting a communist from TRF, and hospitallers went beserk.

I am anti communist, and ive heard good things about C.U. so ill be moving there

CU?

Hmm, founder is supporting communism? Why'd he ever allow you to join ANTICOM?

Fascism Vector wrote:Oak is too much of a pacifist.

One day TRF raids his region the next day they are buddy buddy?

I do not think he is buddy's with them but he does not let them bother him.

Malcholm, Oakplumington

Everloyal wrote:No oak just supports everyone's rights to free speech and wants to make this region have more then one view.

Yeah... so... what's your point?

Fascism Vector wrote:How can we help anticom?

You can participate in raids. TG me if you want to be added to my navy roster, I'll contact you about any navy operations.

Fascism Vector wrote:Oak is too much of a pacifist.

One day TRF raids his region the next day they are buddy buddy?

Pacifism is fine too, I respect that. But if he doesn't want war, inviting the communists here is a very bad idea. Remember that ANTICOM won't help now, so have fun!

You have Red Fleet nation's in here? Why is the ANTICOM embassy up for closing? What's up with that flag?

New Bacon, Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, West Castlemaine

Um, do you guys need any help?

New Bacon, Oakplumington, West Castlemaine

Alpha Wolf wrote:You have Red Fleet nation's in here? Why is the ANTICOM embassy up for closing? What's up with that flag?

Apparently our delegate Hospitallers went stone because Forestavia said "excellent post Vedan" which was indeed a big mistake. I don't know why the red fleet flags are here.

Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Dark Commander wrote:Um, do you guys need any help?

If you move a puppet over here get it in the WA I can probably reestablish the regional government here if you endorse me.

Malcholm, Oakplumington

Vedan wrote:IC the leader of Vedan Kragon Khalin appears on regional tv with a important announcement.

"People of the Mystical council I am Kragon Khalin. Many of you know me as the liberator of vedan from the evils of vulture capitalism. Other know me only as a extremist bent on the destruction of there way of life but today that does not matter. No today I come to you not as leader of vedan but as a concerned old man fearfull for his regions future. For you see it has come to my attention that certain members of the ANTICOM alliance of which the mystical council is a part express the ideals of a horrible ideology known as fascism and wishes to see it spread something that cannot be tolerated. Some of you may now be wondering why this should concern them. It is understandable few now remember the horrors of Zikzator or the Vedanian Invasion of Oakplummington of the rampant death and destruction that perpetuated the region when it was still young. However there is at least one of us who still remembers one of us who still sees a field of Forestavian corpses stretched out before him every time he closes his eyes one who hears the charismatic voice of Zolo Wilson speaking to him on warm sunny days ushering thousands of young men to die for his personal gain. And fortunately he is here to tell you the truth about fascism and what it has already done to our vulnerable region. It all started with a man named Zolo Wilson who ruled over a nation known as Zikzator decades ago. Zolo was a greedy manipulative man who managed to spread his country's reach far and wide first to my country and then to a small portion of Forestavia known as Oakplummington. With considerable success he managed to sway my colleagues on the Vedanian Mystical Council (the former ruling body of vedan) into helping certain elements of Oakplummington society lead a revolution agents Forestavia establishing a independent nation lead by a totalitarian puppet regime. Inspired by our success The Facist members of the Council decided to launch a bloody invasion of Forestavia in a bid to capture more land for them to rule over leading to the deaths of countless innocents. After that the citizens of Oakplummington began to see that they had made a terrible mistake and revolted agents the tyrannical rule they were subjected to day after day. The Oakplummington government panicked and pleaded for help from the Vedanian and Zikzatorian Military. Our action was swift and without mercy.......my nations troops swarmed into Oakplummington killing men women and children alike before taking a large portion of land which is know known as The Oakton Tract named after the leader of Oakplummington who's tyranny lead to it's annexation. However it is what occured in the area that was not annexed that I am shamed to tell you, for you see after the people of Oakplummington were crushed they were forced to undergo a process of cruel eugenics and cultural destruction carried out by the Vedanian military which intalled the castration of every male in the nation no matter how young or how old and the rape and forced inpregnattion of the women of Oakplummington by the vedanian troops. Even today children in Oakplummington are born with red eyes and worship a pantheon that was forced upon there ancestors in a language which they did not speak." he wipes his Brow and pauses to catch his breath "It has now been long since Zikzator collapsed and The Mystical Council was replaced by the Vedanian Soviet however the threat of Facism has not yet passed. No it looms over us now looking for every chance it has to destroy all of our regions progress and plunge us back into the days of Zikzator to the days of petty wars and unfathomable misery it is for that reason why we must fight it at every turn. We must end our relationship with the warmongers of ANTICOM who would gleefully plunge us into wars ten times the scale of the ones I have told you about. We must end our hostility towards the red fleet who even know is valently trying to guard agents the restoration of a region bent on the spreading of racist ideals like those exemplified by the vedanian military force in oakplummington. And we must end all tolerance for the evil tenets of Fascism which has done nothing but bring death and destruction to this land and countless others. If we do not then there is no telling what shall befall us.

What is that mess about? Are any of you guys leaving because of this?

Inca Tribals

It appears the founder here is allowing Communist free reign so I have no option than to close embassies and alliance.

New Bacon

New Bacon wrote:If you move a puppet over here get it in the WA I can probably reestablish the regional government here if you endorse me.

I'll send one over.

New Bacon

Dark Commander wrote:I'll send one over.

Thanks

New Bacon wrote:Apparently our delegate Hospitallers went stone because Forestavia said "excellent post Vedan" which was indeed a big mistake. I don't know why the red fleet flags are here.

Alpha Wolf wrote:You have Red Fleet nation's in here? Why is the ANTICOM embassy up for closing? What's up with that flag?

It was Hospitallers who changed the flag to the TRF one. As far as I can tell, he did it (and dismissed the Lunar Council) out of disgust for The Mystical Council rather than actual alliance with TRF. So there's two solutions: the founder can clean up the mess, or we can get a new delegate in here to fix things.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Oakplumington

New Bacon wrote:Thanks

No problem.

New Bacon

ANTICOM won't officially help but I will if you want.

New Bacon, Oakplumington

Alpha Wolf wrote:It appears the founder here is allowing Communist free reign so I have no option than to close embassies and alliance.

Alright then

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:It was Hospitallers who changed the flag to the TRF one. As far as I can tell, he did it (and dismissed the Lunar Council) out of disgust for The Mystical Council rather than actual alliance with TRF. So there's two solutions: the founder can clean up the mess, or we can get a new delegate in here to fix things.

If Oakplumington does not login before update I will fix it.

I loved this region, it is such a shame

New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, West Castlemaine

Why is everyone acting like the region is going to end it is just a rough patch we have been through it before and will go through it again.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

I dont really know where to go but ill go to the wolf syndicate or CU

Everloyal wrote:Why is everyone acting like the region is going to end it is just a rough patch we have been through it before and will go through it again.

Inca Tribals wrote:I loved this region, it is such a shame

Guys I said it earlier if Oakplumington does not log in I will fix it. No the region is not going to end. Currently as of now hes been on 21 hrs ago.

Malcholm

Inca Tribals wrote:I loved this region, it is such a shame

It's not the end. All that happened was a the delegate threw a temper-tantrum over an insignificant misunderstanding.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Hospitallers is charged already with the following crimes...

8 hours ago: Vedan was ejected and banned from The Mystical Council by Order of Hospitallers.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers ordered the closure of embassies between The Mystical Council and New Great Khans.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers ordered the closure of embassies between The Mystical Council and ANTICOM.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Nordrlond Mercenarys as The Most Honorable VikingRaider Visitor Ever in history of The Mystical Council.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Vaspassia as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Tumetu-iin Noyan as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed AU912 Mystical Council Consulate as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed New Bacon as President of Sentagon / Map Minister of The Mystical Council.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed Malcholm as President of the Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

8 hours ago: Order of Hospitallers dismissed West Castlemaine as ANTICOM Liaison of The Mystical Council.

Violation of New Bacon Appearance Act which is by regional statute

Malcholm, Oakplumington

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