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Region: The Mystical Council
If the Sentagon wants a council I will not oppose it even if it's not clear it's necessary. The Lunar Council should stay out of Sentagon affairs unless it is something that affects the region as a whole in a major way.
New Bacon, Plugo
Appointed or elected?
New Bacon
Whatever sentagon prefers. Not up to me.
New Bacon
No, the sentagon president eleciton only occurs when multiple sentagon members ask for it.
Like 2 months ago people requested one, and rondaland decided to run and narrowly won, New Bacon was the president then.
If you want a election though get like 2-3 other people to support it.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Its not just one person, the secretary delegate is also a part of sentagon.
New Bacon
What was your proposal?
I know rondaland is considering making a set of sentagon advisors, but one thing at a time, just wait for him to get on re set the poll and all that.
I'm admitting defeat with it so I'll be removing it from my factbook shortly
No don't. I kinda disagree with it, but I personally think it is a worthwhile point to be discussed and voted on. But like Plugo said, one thing at a time. Cramming all these issues together will actually undermine the value of each of them.
I'll look at putting it back
Yeah but in that essence most of the region is part of the Sentagon. I think Parakka wants a designated "Sentagon Council Member" as a firewall to ensure the president doesn't abuse their powers. And yeah on the matter of Sentagon president elections, I am looking forward for this to become official https://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=632387
This way we can consistently make sure in a better way that the region approves of Sentagon's president. Right now the system is in a way that the president may remain in office, even if most of Sentagon disapproves of them, such that elections won't be held until the disapproval reaches a low breaking point and there's an uproar in the region, only that would trigger an elections.
It's a wonky system, but still it's not the immediate issue that Sentagon should look into. Right now the focus should be on the current poll and have it reset for outside region voters, then I suppose if [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] wants he can submit his council idea, after that is addressed, Sentagon should probably vote on the proposed policies dispatch.
I've added my idea back with a bit more thought added to it, hopefully it will make a bit of sense when you read it
Exotic Lemon
I pinned up your new proposal.
Parakka Northland
After the poll in sentagon ends, i will put up a poll asking the confirmed sentagon members if they want a council.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
That looks nice. Any thoughts on how often would there be elections for the president? Maybe every 1 month*number of councillors?
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]Parakka Northland[/nation] I really like your proposal so far.
Parakka Northland
If their is going to be a set date, it should be a equal time length with the lunar councils president's term.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Well currently, and correct if I am wrong, there isn't an actual set date for when to hold elections for LC president. It's just a cycle that rotates and depends on how many seats there are in the council. So right now it's every 5 months.
New Bacon
5 months? No offense to Au but isn't that a little long
New Bacon
Remember what I said to you via telegram about your seat being safe for 5 cycles. That's all lunar council members. Sentagon should be the same way as far as the president and the council.
Parakka Northland
[nation=short]Naumadal[/nation] explain your reasoning that "[nation=short]new bacon[/nation] and [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] are pressuring you to vote yes" because we are just encouraging people to vote yes not what you so called pressuring. It's your opinion. Right now Sentagon has collapsed as far as the constitution. It will not pass. That's ok. But I would like to know your reason on you thinking that I and Forestavia are pressuring you.
Parakka Northland
I dont mind giving up my seat, I just didnt really pay attention to how long I am on the lunar council.
You are wrong, the president has no set election date, the election for sentagon occurs when 3-4 members of sentagon ask for a election.
Exotic Lemon
The Sentagon can also remove a member of the LC if they wish to increase the number of elections, or we could go back to 2 LC members elected per month, but in the past that proved tricky, so we'd need to rethink the election procedure.
Naumadal
Wait, what? I am talking about the LC president not the Sentagon president. You said that if we set and election date for the Sentagon President, it should have the same office term as the LC President, to which I said that LC President does not actually have a set office term either; it is simply set by the cycle of LC members. Soooo yeah? ? ?
Well it's the same thing for all LC members.
Naumadal
how did you become president of the LC?
*pressuring us*
Well i have received over 5 telegrams saying things like sentagaon go out and vote! Etc.
Don't need a constant reminder to go vote, if people are active they would have seen your first telegram and they will vote.
If they are not active spamming telegrams to them is useless and has no point. It also seems that you are all trying to rush the ratification poll.
He was voted in
New Bacon
Under the current system, the member with the longest continuous service becomes president.
Parakka Northland
so are you permanently president?
There was a election a while ago for your re election though?
Under the current system, until I either loose an election, am impeached or resign.
Plugo
I think the ratification should be postponed a week.
It will be almost 2 days until the votes from the sentagon poll will be finished, and it will absolutely take more then 2 days to discuss the sentagon council / adviser ideas, and if the pro democracy people win for that idea it will take like 4-5 days to finish those elections.
We should just put the anticom poll up and begain the religious wars RP.
New Bacon, Plugo
You forgot the time it will take to register the active members of sentagon.
Oh yeah my bad.
So are you saying that you are pressured into voting yes, or are you pressured into just voting in general? Major difference of course, with the former being unethical, but the latter is more of your own perspective. Two things to note as well. There is a difference between being encouraged to vote in a certain direction, and being pressured. Being pressured into doing something, means someone has told you to do something, and told you if you refused they would apply some real consequences to you. So think again, were you encouraged to vote, or where you actually pressured?
Moreover, I think I was the last one to send a regional telegram about voting, in response two or three people participated in the vote, so the telegrams do have an effect.
That being said, if you do not have interest in hearing any regional news, information, or announcements via telegram, you can actually block these in your telegram preferences settings.
New Bacon, Barishmacht
That's not pressuring... Just like Rrepaimziaraseh said, that isn't pressure. That is encouragement. Unless you pay no attention to politics or business or anything like that then you would know that people use that kind of "encouragement" to try to influence people to vote for them. They aren't applying any consequence of punishment if you don't. They are just simply asking you to vote for them. Its no big deal.
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon
[I]Propaganda[/I] is a good word.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
I don't really think [nation=short]Naumadal[/nation] meant it in a bad way, but reciving 5 telegrams on the same topic within a span of a couple days is excessive.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] vote in the current poll in the guard.
Exotic Lemon
Yeah I get how he might feels; it might feel too much especially if you're not in the the thick of it. He can limit the telegrams he receives if he wishes.
Exotic Lemon
In the proposed constitution, sentagon is not reformed. I am changing my vote to no, but only because of sentagons current problems
Plugo
I really thought [nation=short]naumadal[/nation] meant something negative; I understand now. If Naumadal wants to limit the number of telegrams he can go to his preferences and limit regional telegrams. It is mainly I and Forestavia sending region-wide telegrams.
More so encouraged. I did not tell them to vote yes. Nor did Forestavia.
Plugo, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Exactly [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation]. I and Forestavia were just encouraging to vote yes.
Barishmacht, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Thought I would quote you all for a collective response rather than an individual ones. Generally speaking over election dates I feel that if this idea was to gain real traction then we all as a collective would need to really add some detail in how it would all work etc. But it would make sense to follow the same cycle as the Lunar Council with election dates and presidential rotation.
New Bacon, Plugo
I agree, it is un nessicary for the poll to be up an extra 5 days when it won't get passed.
We could accomplish something else in this time.
Happy august!
New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
It's that time of year again! Where Regional Representatives vote in the ORCA Prime Minister election. It will be a clean slate after this election as British Reserves is not running for reelection, so your vote is extremely important!
New Bacon, Oakplumington
Why is this here? It is so irrelevent.
New Bacon
How is it irrelevant?
New Bacon
How is it relevant? We are debating constitutions and reforms does this election concern us somehow? am I missing something?
New Bacon
I think it's relevant but only to our representative who probably should have been shot a telegram about it rather than posting our RMB
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
Sorry guys I accidentally tapped my nation to move to SWB. Oak will have to reinstate the password protection.
Salt :P
He is telling our rep to vote but also informing us abput the election
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Thanks, for the info. It looks like we'll be having a new Prime Minister in ORCA this election. Exciting stuff!
Exotic Lemon, Rondaland
I ended up cancelling the poll last time. This time we go all the way - even if it's defeated.
Too bad our orca rep is away indefinitelyi
Anyone who's in charge can change our guys' rep if they want to. Just make sure to notify me so I can update the Overview
http://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/michigan/university-of-michigan-ann-arbor/admission/
Challenge accepted Michigan.
Challenge Accepted
Now I will have to take breaks from video games to actually study and focus on school and hopefully get a good grade in Math. Gr8
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
Good Luck!
Have Fun!
New Bacon, Barishmacht, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]rondaland[/nation] no one can vote in the poll. You have to make it public for everyone to vote. It is restricted to residents.
Dosh Semiw, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Hello.
I'm here to come to Mystic Council, but I can see that it's closed at the moment.
So I'll be communicating through embassies.
My main nation [nation=short]lampar[/nation], is a good friend of your Lunar Councillor, or [nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation].
Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon
Post self-deleted by Rrepaimziaraseh.
Hi there, we look forward to have you once we reopen.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Thank you, and I hope to see that this region will thrive.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
It is true, I believe he will be an excellent addition to the region
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Thanks for the positive talk. :)
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] as school has started, I will be a little less active. Feel free to replace me as lunar councilor if I get too inactive.
New Bacon
School started for me too. So my activity is subject to be spotty.
Mine starts in 7 days
New Bacon
I will call this Sentagon Policy 1: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=rondaland/detail=factbook/id=654251
Congratulations Sentagon! You have adopted your very first Sentagon Policy! Excellent work!
I apologize for not being as active (been sort of busy with work and other stuff). But look at what you guys just did. The Sentagon Policies are starting to form. My hope is that one day this region will be able to stand on its own feet. And it looks like we are well on our way to achieving this goal. Keep up the good work!
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Welcome Lampar! Yes, in nearly 30 hours our region will be reopening and returning to normalcy (whatever "normal" means...), I look forward to developing stronger relations with Bunicken.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Going off of the old list and old method, we are 13 votes away from passing the constitution in Sentagon.
However, considering the recent Sentagon Policy, we may be a lot closer to passing the constitution than that. If the numbers look "good enough", I will pull out one last ace I've been hiding up my sleeve. I have a crazy idea and it may just be crazy enough to work..... ;)
I'll talk more about it after the poll closes. Come on people! We need your votes. Constitutional ratification depends on you!
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I left Bunicken, I know reside in Kaiserreich.
Exotic Lemon, has thought that I will be well fit in your region.
Oh, ok. Everyone is a good fit over here! I think you will enjoy it. :)
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
In my view the current constitution poll is invalid due to Sentagon new policy coming into effect, during the current vote, as it majorly regs the current poll in favour of the yes votes. Personally in my view the constitution poll should be closed, then wait a week or two weeks max, to allow former Sentagon members to register, if they wish to become part of Sentagon and then the poll should be put back up. Plus it would allow a two week period max to make any amendments to the constitution that has been suggested should be made during this polls running.
After all you cannt bring in something like a constitution which is for all intensive purposes law binding (in a regional context) in a manner that would be considered controversial
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Hehehehe..... That won't stop me from trying. ;)
In all seriousness, I'm going to present something very reasonable, but only if the numbers are exactly where they need to be.
Parakka Northland
I hope I will as well.
Exotic Lemon
As sentagon has been reformed, I am changing my vote to yes. I also agree with Parakka Northland I believe we should redo the vote. I do not support a more than 5 day constitution poll though. Anything more than that would be a waste of time and the reforms made to sentagon would be worthless. Also, since I am LC, does my vote even matter [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]/[nation=short]oakplumington[/nation]
Plugo
Guess who's back!
New Bacon
Poll ends in 8 hours
The vote doesn't effect the Sentagon numbers but your switch may inspire others in Sentagon to join you. We'll see, I guess.
With two nations ceasing to exist, I have updated the Sentagon stats. We are 11 votes away from passing the constitution by the old method.
What's new here?
New Bacon
Voting on constitution. I was recently elected lunar councilor. Also your main died a few days ago
New Bacon
[nation=short]au912_mystical_Council_consulate[/nation] banject the turtle from RFRO
I saw a seal today. It stared at me for a good half a minute, then it went beneath the waves.
Parakka Northland
Oh hi Lemmon hey if it makes you feel any better I rigged that election in the sacred order.... So ya good times
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
At least you are honest about it.
New Bacon
Post self-deleted by Exotic Lemon.
Post by Everloyal6 suppressed by Exotic Lemon.
Wasn't planning on it but sacred order is no more so I really don't care... Hey I just gotta win
I finally made it.
Good to finally meet everyone.
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
Why did you admit it? You didn't do a very good job either, you went cte a few days later after getting the job
New Bacon
Post by Everloyal6 suppressed by Exotic Lemon.
I admit it because it does not affect me anymore. I got busy but hey I'm commanding a more powerful army now.
New Bacon
Cheat your way up there as well?
New Bacon
I know I have no idea what this relates too but does it effect TMC?
Not really. Everloyal here used to be a member of the sacred order, but he screwed me over there and cted, only to come back
Ah I see...
Exotic Lemon
I am conducting a trial run for the Sentagon council. All will be dismissed soon. Your name has trial-run next to it.
Parakka Northland
[nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] thanks for the officer position! However, I would rather be elected to the position in some fashion rather than appointed. As at present I haven't done anything to earn it, besides make a proposal.
Hope your not offended and that ^^ makes some soft of sense haha
New Bacon
Looks like I jumped the gun slightly haha
New Bacon
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