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Region: The Mystical Council
Seems pointless to wait however many weeks to dismiss malcholm when someone could actually be doing something for the government in that time, if malcholm returns sure re appoint him, but letting an MIA person retain a government position is illogical.
New Bacon
[nation=short]exotic_lemon[/nation] what's the point of TMC having an embassy with Battlefront_Varangian_Guard...?
New Bacon
We are about to merge the Varangian guard and bacons Star Wars battlefront.
New Bacon
It's still not the official military though, and since you want to make it the military it would have been nice to have been informed on any changes in it :^(
New Bacon, Plugo
I thought you knew. I mentioned it earlier but apparently everyone forgot. I still plan on making it the official military
New Bacon
The Talons got most of them and then the Inquisitors got the rest..... or so they think ; )
Once the two regions merge then it will be the Official Military of both New Bacon and The Mystical Council if you all ever make it the official military. [nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] I'm going to get a recruitment key later on when the new region opens so that way I can start recruiting.
Plugo
that name doesn't really sound right but im glad the merge went through.
Exotic Lemon
in two days i have gotten 2 easter eggs :O
I think i am blessed by max berry.
I have done eggcellent detective work!
[nation=short]New bacon[/nation] picked it. I wanted to hyphenate it but it wouldnt let me.
It is our military, not just yours or mine. I plan on making it official, do you?
New Bacon
Still it is officially New Bacon and Unoffically Mystical Council. Simply because of the prehistoric times of Star Wars Battlefront ya know.
Plugo
The guard has been around a while as well. But that is irrelevent. The fact is we both want the same thing. I do hope SWB continues to vote yes.
New Bacon
*Clarification*
Not really irrelevant. It is our military. Mine, yours and TMC's. We're merged. That means two entities are as one. The fact is I have no control of the residents and their votes. It still is the official military of New Bacon, you, and Unofficlally TMC. That's three governments controlling the region at once. And all three entities must agree on something in the region. Also my recovery email is in the nation in case both of us forgets the password or something.
Exotic Lemon
Thats good. I assume your wa will want to remain here, so I will likely be out on the field pretty often.
New Bacon
Another thing is that the region has to comply with VG's code of conduct, New Bacon Federal Laws(Which I will post soon) and Exotic Lemon Laws. That's exactly what happens when something is merged. Trust me there won't be any unfair laws as I have people like Zoo Park and Vaspassia review my laws before they pass. If they say it's unfair or anyone of that matter that law won't pass. So I have checks and balances for my laws. I don't know about any of you all's laws though.
Plugo wrote the code of conduct, I thought it would be helpful. It isnt offical and it is still in construction.
New Bacon
Great ;)
Exotic Lemon
Your wa is going to remain here, right? It doesnt matter but I am curious.
Ok no laws have been written regarding the region yet accept the referendum act which caused the SWB poll.
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Yes until I decide to step down as delegate.
Just relax, Rome wasnt built in a day. These are references from 2 successful militaries to help us with the future. We will work through everything.
Lol I know it takes me a while to write just one New Bacon law :P
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Then don't. I will deal with the pesky management, and you keep being bacon. If there is something you like or dont like, just tell me. We dont need to a. micromanage everything or b. Jump through a million hoops to get one thing done.
Indeed, i am taking a step back, you two are the recognized founders, my days as the glory hound are over, i will of course still be in the scenes but it will be interesting to be under someone else command, since my founding in December i have always been in a high position in militarizes, now i will experience following someone else.
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
I suspect you will serve at least a term as a military council member. Bacon is the strategist, and I will be out on the field a lot.
New Bacon, Plugo
Oh yes, i still intend to be a part of it, but you two are the main leaders/founders/
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
Yeah I normally do it for fun haha. ;)
Are the posts elected or appointed?
Hope you will all attend the abdication of our Emperor. Our Emperor will sign his abdication on 14/8/2016
What is the job of the orca representative
Forestavia
We will confirm after sometime after the new Emperor takes charge.
[nation=short]New bacon[/nation] and [nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation]
Guys can I say that when you both make the case for why we should have an offical military, one of the key questions that I personally would want answered is how will the military fit into the current TMC command structure? Will it be subservient to the three branches of the TMC government or will it operate independently of TMC authority. If it's the latter then the relationship between the military and TMC would need defining as the military in my view would be more like ANTICOM etc than a TMC military. If it's the former how would that effect the command structure. Would the military Generals be given positions on the Lunar Council or would Sentagon be expanded to include them, alternatively would they be advisors to the "Governments".
Hope the above makes sense.
It will be largely independent of the mystical council, but if you guys want a LC or sentagon member can remain there to supervise us. Military council is voted or appointed based on merit, government official or not is irrelevant. We do our own thing, and give you guys some credit for it. As for the structure, it will likely be more like the guard because SWB did not have a large structure in place. It will likely be subordinate to the LC and maybe sentagon, not sure on that, still working out the kinks. Did I answer all your questions? You asked like 7 in one sentence so I might have missed some.
Plugo, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]Plugo[/nation], [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]AU912[/nation] Mystical Council Consulate, [nation=short]Tumetu-iin Noyan[/nation], [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation]. Do you guys need a poll up for anything? If not, I will put up making battle guard the official military
The mystical council will have representation but when an entity merges with another, [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation]'s government,TMC's government and [nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation] would have to agree. [nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation] will be out performing operations most of the time. Right now it is the official military of [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] and [nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation]. Now if something fishy is going on with the merger the residents of Star Wars Battlefront can pull away at any time and I have no control over the residents decision. You all would have to make it the official military. I have no control over mystical council law. I only have control over New Bacon law. You all would have to approve making [region=The Battle Guard] the official military. If not then the merged region will retain authority by I and lemon.
Plugo, Parakka Northland
Well I'll go along with what lemon said.
Parakka Northland
Star Wars Battlefront does have a structure but due to low populations and less interests, not all positions are filled. There's at least six positions for Star Wars Battlefront. The Battle Guard will have an emperor just like SWB and a commanding General.
Parakka Northland
We are still implementing the military council right?
New Bacon, Plugo
Yes.
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
This r/d organization is expected to run on its own like Star Wars Battlefront
New Bacon Government Notice
The position of the Secretary Delegate has been disbanded. There currently is no Secretary Delegate as [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] is unofficially the Secretary Delegate until they cease to exist. New Bacon is searching for a New Secretary Delegate. Also [nation=short]moltavo[/nation] is Acting ORCA HQ rep until TMC amends its position.
Pretty much, it was more like one question which depending on the answer would effect the follow up questions
Not really, go ahead and put yours up.
Exotic Lemon
I expected it, too much militarization
Wow feeling conflicted, i would vote to run for Sentagon president as well, but because I've said i would run for Lunar Councillor i don't think it would be right of me to put my name into that hat as well
New Bacon, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
if i do win my seat would be up for immediate election
New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Do you have a campaign? And why do you think you should become president
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Parakka Northland
In theory there a lunar election tomorrow I believe?
New Bacon
[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] there's trouble in SWB.
What's wrong?
People are not happy. As a matter of fact it's tied now.
Why are they unhappy?
Yes and No the votes are at two.
But why are they unhappy
Well [nation=short]frankiestine[/nation] got a little hot saying that I should be the founder instead of just letting both of us controlling one nation. I think you should talk to them because I don't want to push them too hard.
I can't now I'm in my phone
New Bacon
From what it reads like, they want bacon to be founder, but they think you both are sharing the founding nation which they don't like the idea of
New Bacon
Okay just whenever you get a chance. ;)
If they only want you without me then maybe a merge is not the best.
New Bacon
:P quoted the wrong person.
Parakka Northland
Oh. Quote that to your post
Anyways I was willing to work with you and your ideas for the merger. It's not working out now though which makes me angry but that's the residents though. I have no control over them.
Exotic Lemon
Can't talk now. See you later
I remember you saying that you didn't have a problem letting bacon being the founder, it sounds like you do. That's why my vote is a no.
I mean I'm not trying to talk you down its just a weird concept that's going on. Like we wouldn't know whether we are talking to bacon or you. I don't trust that.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
I thought it would be best. If you want bacon so much, we don't have to merge. Or bacon can change the password on the founder and we will continue. It took me hours to draft all that stuff, but if the residents don't want it there is nothing I can do
I'd say we continue with the merge. I won't change the password at least for now I won't--but I guess lemon can stay off but at least lemon will have the password in case I like cease to exist or something so that way the region can run without me. Those are my expectations. You all have to run without me.
Basically to just provide defenders in our region with updated information on what ORCA is doing and keeping our soldiers in the loop if there are any missions or military orders.
Keeping the lines of communication with ORCA government open.
Representing our region in ORCA by voting in ORCA polls.
Keeping the military leadership of The Mystical Council in the loop as well (for example, Telegramming Lemon and New Bacon in the loop on ongoing defender missions so that they know who's available for VG/SWB stuff).
Just basically common sense stuff. Snoop on the ORCA RMB regularly to see what's cooking. Public relations.... It's sort of like a diplomatic position with a military bent to it.
Plugo
This is like the NCO SOF merge all over again, their was a debate about who would be the founder, eventually NSO gave in, and the founder booted us all out and griefed the region.
I do trust new bacon so (if i where you) i would be willing to let him be the founder with consequence if he messes anything up, and you just get all authorizes. You are both "Co Founders" but you dont use the founder nation.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Naumadal
i know their is one this month.
I am of a similar mindset. Not that this is any of my business. But personally, I never share my nations with other players. I'm just not comfortable with it. But some players do share and are cool with that and trust each other enough.
Good luck over there with the merger negotiations anyway. Hope you are able to figure something out.
New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland, Naumadal
#Naumadal4TheCouncil
Forestavia, New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
It's supposed to start tomorrow. But with the Sentagon challenge, I think we should do that one first and then we can see what happens with the Lunar Council seats.
So far Parakka is running for Noyan's seat.
If Plugo wins the Presidential election, then we will need a replacement for his seat as well.
Parakka Northland, Naumadal
Me
Parakka Northland
Aw, yeah. There we are. Gettin' some competition in here. :)
New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland
Sure, we could do it that way. So are you saying that the Lunar Council and President of Sentagon submit names to the Delegate - and the Delegate then appoints from that list?
Plugo, Parakka Northland
that works!
Forestavia, New Bacon
Alright, I'll edit the Proposal real quick. Maybe after all this election stuff we can vote on it.
Plugo, Parakka Northland
Role Play
After a petition with over 200,000 signatures was passed to Governor Alexander calling on the government to reintroduce gladiator battles between criminals for the entertainment of the masses. The Colony has requested and been granted permission from the empire to act upon this petition. Thus, the colony has begun building a new state of the arts battle arena for the gladiators. However, it's been decided that only criminals convicted of murder, terrorism and other major crimes will be forced to become gladiators. All gladiator training facilities will be heavily policed to ensure that the "athletes" don't escape.
Out of role play
Decided to amuse myself a little.... Might even do a Spartacus RP lol
Forestavia, New Bacon, Plugo
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=649812
New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland
Looks good to me
New Bacon, Plugo
Your petty weak criminals are no match for the strong brutes in plugo's prisons!
Forestavia, New Bacon
Is that a challenge!? 5 on 5 battle no holds bard, in one months time. My prisons will need time to prepare.
Forestavia, New Bacon
I'm not going to mess up the region. :P like I said you all will run the region.
Plugo, Parakka Northland
I really could care less who the founder is. I don't have a problem being the founder. I don't have a problem with exotic lemon being the founder. I think he's a good guy and is capable of running a region. Whatever makes the residents happy I'm cool with that.
Forestavia, Plugo, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
By the way, the constitution did not pass. I tried going over the math and manipulating the numbers every which way I could. It just didn't happen.
[I]However.... (hehehehe)[/I]
We [I]could do things a little differently[/I] and adopt it as a collection of regional laws. It did technically pass all three branches of government. But it won't be as strongly binding. It will be like a "diet" constitution with fewer calories. Instead of having a complicated process for amending the constitution, two branches of government will be able to repeal any part of it at any time.
Perhaps we as a region don't need an official constitution. We would have to rename it as something else though. We couldn't call it "adopting a constitution" but we could say that "A collection of regional laws passed all three branches of government. This collection of laws concerns the governing of the region."
What do ya think everyone? Is this clever? Corrupt? Lawyerly? All of the above??????? This game is working. I'm starting to think like a politician!
New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland
It didn't pass because of the sentagon situation, which as president i vow to instutide the council as my first act as president.
Oh no not corrupt at all, trust me this region has had so much corruption behind the scene its hilarious.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I think you need to get the sentagon president and Lunar Council elections over with first.
However, your idea is certainly a crafty way around getting the constitution passed in one form or anouther. Though, with the sentagon changes you might actually get it passed next time around so it might be an idea just to wait till after the elections and then try again.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
I recommend creating some sort of dispatch to define the scope of the military first. What it does, who's commanding it, what types of targets (if anything specific) does it go after, and what other regions is it affiliated with.
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
Ok I'll do that. It takes me hours to write those and I was hoping I wouldn't have to but if people want it I will make it
Alistia, New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland
If Naumadal or parakka run to the council un apposed, will they be automatically appointed?
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Yep.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
I agree with you. I think we'll have better luck with the next vote. If the third try fails, then maybe we can get crafty.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Parakka Northland
Yay! We're a magical region again! :)
Plugo, Parakka Northland
*travels back in time and makes you found the region as "the magical council"
*Waves wand - makes time machine disappear*
so whats the op in greater holy isles? i Could send my wa there.
There isn't really a need for WA's yet. The mission is currently about building influence. This is a proactive defense mission. We can bring our WA's over if necessary.
If you do bring your WA over, please endorse Transfran, Bcrulez, and AU912.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
But do send a puppet. We need to build up some influence before Pyrosky CTE.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
You also could send your wa to help with the guards raid
Forestavia
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