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Region: The Mystical Council
Apparently Frankiestine thinks I'm corrupt and trying to benefit myself when that is really not the case. Geez
Castlemaine 1St Air Squadron
Take it easy on the personal jabs, buddy. We've got free speech and all but think before you write. We're here to have fun.
Castlemaine 1St Air Squadron
Hospitallers, you outdid yourself with the Anarcho Capitalism dispatch. Great work!
So far it looks like the AAA is going to pass with approval from the Lunar Council and the Delegate
Order of Hospitallers has approved
Malcholm, AU912, and Tumetu have approved (3/5)
Sentagon has 5 votes in favor so far.
Not one nation has voted against the law. This is a very good sign. If you have not voted yet I encourage you to participate.
Malcholm
Post self-deleted by Frankiestine.
Post self-deleted by Oakplumington.
Post self-deleted by Frankiestine.
Hey, you can even launch your own political party that believes in taking power away from government. Maybe it isn't New Bacon who has too little power. Maybe the Lunar Council have too much. It's all perspective. RP.
Post self-deleted by Frankiestine.
So what's your plan and motive?
Post self-deleted by Frankiestine.
Post self-deleted by Oakplumington.
Post self-deleted by Frankiestine.
That post suppression was a warning not to harass my trusted government officials. I thought it was tactless and written to hurt our President's feelings. That's why I suppressed it. Perhaps you would be so kind as to delete your posts and rewrite them in a more respectful manner.
Order Of Hospitallers
Post self-deleted by Frankiestine.
FYI - There is no law restricting the use of polls as tools for filibuster. I personally think it was a brilliant political move. But that's just my opinion.
Malcholm
Post self-deleted by Frankiestine.
Oh my god [nation=frankiestine] you are rude. New Bacon is not that bad. [nation=Oakplumington] is he alright? And by the way don't talk to my best friend like that.
Order Of Hospitallers
I saw that he left the region
Order Of Hospitallers
Yea i saw too but he went to some bootleg inactive one
Vaspassia
I think every will be ok in time. Frankiestine did the right thing by deleting his posts. Everything is over now.
Vaspassia, Order Of Hospitallers
Damn I missed the arguing on the bright side it was not caused by me... for once.
Vaspassia, Order Of Hospitallers
Now what was this all about?
A player just crossed a line but everything seems to be fixed now. We all have a bad day once in awhile.
I hope this does not continue. Anyways what is new today?
I'm in a bad mood right now and stressed out.
I would like to note that my vote against the Full Authority Act is due to the fact that it is regional law and not constitutional. I believe that the President of Sentagon needs rock solid authority written not in regional law format which can easily be repealed by two branches of government.
Our President in Sentagon deserves something stronger. I vote against this FAA with the intention and hope and desire of passing an amended version of section 13 in the constitution. Sentagon is autonomous and may set many of its own rules and policies within it. We cannot afford to have our Sentagon President's authority revoked by Sentagon itself or by two arbitrary branches of government. If we truly want both of our Presidents to have "equivalent" powers then both must be equally granted those powers by the constitution.
For this reason, I encourage a No vote.
Malcholm, Vaspassia, Order Of Hospitallers
The section that should have been added to the amendment was Border Control and Embassies
Vaspassia
I will revise it then
Vaspassia
I hope you feel better.
Vaspassia
hmm
Vaspassia
What happened to the poll I could've sworn I just voted
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=546132
The 3 hour one is the best. I love it. I forgot about it until now. Maybe I'll listen to it before bed tonight.
Vaspassia
Or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY
Vaspassia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK-BSdq7WXo
Vaspassia
Whoops I meant to quote your post not suppress it. What happened to our votes on the poll?
Everloyal, I got your telegram. But I think we should talk about Malcholm's idea first. I like what we have but I really think this is interesting. It's more complex and it seems to give you more power. Instead of being some sort of figurehead General, this appears to be a way to make the military official and yet still preserves your control over it to some degree. Very fascinating.
Malcholm
I'm off for the night. Keep that relaxing music playing!
Malcholm
2weeks is way to long for a poll, even the world assembly could conduct a more efficient census then that!
New Bacon, Malcholm, Frankiestine
New news article tommorow.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Frankiestine
what is the theme of our region too?
New Bacon
[nation=short]Oakplumington[/nation] how many more votes do we need before this passes because I swear this will be up for two weeks or until I cancel the poll.
Malcholm
Two weeks is plenty of time I'm giving everyone a chance. It is now or never because after this poll it will not be re-proposed by me again. Because if it were to fail again that means the people do not want the Sentagon president to have full authority. I could have rushed the poll setting it to twelve hours then no one would get a chance to vote. I know it is ridiculous to have it set for two weeks but right now it is. That is one of my political tactics that I pulled. Last time saying this its two weeks or until further notice. Thank everyone for their cooperation. #filibuster
Malcholm
ill try and get everone in the ACP to vote but i still feel 2 weeks is poll hogging.
if it takes someone 2 weeks to get on nationstates then they shouldn't play it. 3 days should be the max.
but considering its 8-1 i dont think you will have to worry about it not passing.
New Bacon
By the way sorry about what happened yesterday Bacon and Oakplumington. Hopefully you guys forgive me.
New Bacon, Oakplumington
I would like to say a word for them. See that it does not happen again
New Bacon
Never, we will forever hold a grudge against you.
Jk ;D
New Bacon
Apology accepted
Oakplumington
We could call it now if you want. We have two branches of support. The Delegate and three members of the Lunar Council.
Sentagon has 5 votes in support, 1 vote against, and 17 not voting or absent.
(In the future, once the constitution is actually adopted, the rules will be stricter for amendments. We would need a simple majority of Sentagon, too.)
New Bacon
How are you oak?
Oh Everloyal! I need to telegram you and Vedan something exciting!
...when people post how they are going to TG someone about something on a public RMB I am just like whyyyyyyy?!
Order Of Hospitallers
Ok make it snappy... never mind that I will be waiting for it.
I'm sorry, I got distracted with something else.
Ok I was joking about that snappy thing so take your time.
Oakplumington
I'm like seriously trying to catch up with stuff and I keep forgetting to do things! There's always something new cooking. ;)
That's a really good question. I think it was just that I wanted to get Everloyal's attention in that moment. Because with me. I'll post something, leave, and come back 5, 10, 30, 60 minutes later. But yeah, you have a point there.
Castlemaine 1St Air Squadron
RP:
The Forestavian High Council has declared Oakplumington's (its territory) banishment of the Lunar High Admiral unconstitutional. "It is the duty of the Lunar Council to take such action if it chooses to do so. The Lunar High Admiral shall inevitably face the wrath of the Lunar Council and when they do, the ban will more than likely be reinstated. It is not Forestavia's job to play judge and jury but to patiently await the justice that only the Lunar Council has the authority to exercise. This is why, starting immediately, the ban on the Lunar High Admiral will be no longer. We cannot allow our country to be in violation of regional law."
High Councillor Nobleton read from a parchment with the official seal on it. He hoped deep in his heart that the ban would be reinstated.
Malcholm
Post by Forestavia suppressed by Domos Pinca.
RP:
National Politics:
The Forestavian Socialist Party celebrated the decision. It was a victory for The Red Fleet.
Order Of Hospitallers
My regional government dispatch is way behind the times. I have a ton of Anarcho-Capitalists marked as "No Affiliation". I'll fix that real quick.
I am no longer Anarcho-Capitalist Party, I am creating my own
Oakplumington
My puppet [nation=short]West Castlemaine[/nation] will be replacing this one as a presence in the region.
Bye all!
Awesome!
Yah I do not like when one party takes control especially when I do not agree with them.
We'll have to amend the ANTICOM Alliance Act to give your new nation the powers.
What should we do? Should I slip the new nation name in there just before passage? Any objections to replacing the nation Castlemaine 1St Air Squadron with West Castlemaine in our proposed law?
Can I have a second on this motion?
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I object.
I had to say I will second it for my own reasons.
*Squints*
I will second it.
*Holds hand to ear*
What did you say? ;)
I will second it... hopefully to the benefit of the regional guard.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Alright, I'll go ahead and revise it.
Malcholm
whats it called?
President Beldan held a teleconference press announcement from an undisclosed location.
"I have just signed legislation restoring normal relations with Everloyal and all other nations of The Mystical Council. We will be providing humanitarian and reconstruction assistance to any nation that requests it.
The legislature is currently debating whether to formally request that The Mystical Council reopen the embassy with The Union.
The AU912 legislature also currently has the following legislation pending that will also impact our relations with The Mystical Council:
- Whether to formally request that the Lunar Council try The Lunar High Admiral immediately.
- Whether to start our own political party within The Mystical Council."
Malcholm, Oakplumington
The Free Toad Party! :)
Post by Forestavia suppressed by Domos Pinca.
RP:
"I propose we do section 32 after this poll is done. It's been too long!" This was the only thing he said on the floor of Sentagon. Then he went back to his office. Sentagon Representative Brick Potato didn't have his coffee yet and was very cranky. He read the paper and saw that the Consulate was pushing for justice on [nation=short]The Lunar High Admiral[/nation]. "Excellent, bring the darn good-for-nuthin' fleeters to justice," he muttered to himself. He was particularly annoyed that the filibuster was slowing things down but saw the value in it.
He sent a letter to New Bacon. The writing was a bit messy but showed determination. One of Potato's staff personally delivered it. It read:
"Mr. President,
You're really slowing things down, but at least Sentagon will be more powerful at the end of the day. Once we secure your rightful position in this regional government, we should get together sometime and discuss Sentagon procedure for electing a President. No one in Sentagon has yet challenged your position. We need protocols. We need Sentagon rules for how we conduct ourselves. Many different kinds of political parties are forming. Times are changing quickly.
Thank you for your time,
- Brick Potato"
Malcholm
Or you can just recognise that I am the successor of Castlemaine 1St Air Squadron to this position.
All fixed.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=575091
"2. Nations will not be ejected or banned just for being affiliated with The Red Fleet."
What is they are participating in a raid?
Forestavia
presumably raiders will run afoul of one (or more) of these:
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[/spoiler]Forestavia, Malcholm
boom
Inca Tribals
I love this question! I'm looking for the perfect post to quote.
I finally found my old posts.
1. Generally nations are not ejected or banned unless they themselves have ejected or banned someone else.
2. Or if there is a violation of site rules regarding respect among players or something like that.
Your question gets into the whole philosophy of raiding. Essentially the question that is being asked is: "Is raiding a bad thing?"
Here are some past opinions of mine:
This will be an ongoing discussion that this region will continue to have from time to time. I think it's also important to point out that raids generate activity and can be helpful in preventing regions from becoming stagnant. This is really the realm of political parties. I think that the political parties that are developing should have this discussion within their leadership, too. Pro/Anti-Raiding, Pro/Anti-Defending, Pro/anti either/Neither etc.
I like to play both sides of the fence. While I'm pro-raiding OOC, the RP character Brick Potato would probably have a heart attack if another raid ever happened. And in the RP he's very anti-Red Fleet. That's another angle. So in-character I'm anti-raiding.
Malcholm
Also, there is the judicial valve of the Lunar Council which is preparing to act in the case of The Lunar High Admiral from the last raid.
We have an interesting approach to the issue in this region. And maybe we are getting to that point where we need a law at the regional level just laying out OOC and IC scenarios that can happen and what the consequences should generally be for certain infractions against regional laws.
Post by Au912 Mystical Council Consulate suppressed by Domos Pinca.
Welcome to the AU912 Capital City News Hour. I'm Fleia Mausolos.
Today, the AU912 legislature tabled the debate over The Union after failing to come to a consensus. Discussion is expected to continue tomorrow.
The legislature also overwhelmingly passed proposals to formally support replacing the nation Castlemaine 1St Air Squadron with West Castlemaine in the Anticom Alliance Act wording, as well as a request an expedited trial for The Lunar High Admiral. Both proposals had been supported by President Beldan, who is expected to sign them into law before noon local time tomorrow.
A bill to create a new political party was also debated. According to Senator Edward Uranus III, the proposed party would be a breakaway faction of the Anarco-Capitalist party tentatively to be called the "Minarchist Party" and would oppose "both fascism and state socialism" and favor "most smallish to almost nonexistant government systems, and legalization of almost all forms of private ownership, consensual relationships, and private organizations."
Forestavia, Malcholm
Sounds like they broke the sound barrier again.
RP:
"Oh my! The Lunar High Admiral has daringly reentered regional territory!" Potato went into cardiac arrest and was taken to the nearest hospital.
A new Forestavian representative was appointed by the High Council to serve in Sentagon. He wrote a letter to The Lunar High Admiral:
"I admire your courage to stand and face the Lunar Council. They may take your nation's cooperation into consideration at the trial. My country's official position is that they 'hope no mercy is shown'."
The letter was short and to the point. With a signature -
"Mr. Lenin Sandgars"
But there was something written really small at the bottom. "P.S. Just between us, we in the Forestavian socialist party do not agree with your crimes. But the vision of a Lunar Soviet inspires many of us."
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When Potato learned that Lenin was serving in his place, he had another heart attack. "He'll sell us down the river! Forestavia will be made to look sympathetic to flippin' fleeter -"
Doctors surrounded the bed and revived him once more.
Malcholm, Trebisond
If anyone is in need of farming supplys we have a open market
Lets just hold a trial for their crimes regarding punishment, i think all officers should act as the judges
http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=our_governator_1456594017
The world needs this.
Forestavia
President Beldan took the stand.
"I have asked my nation's Attorney General to study the case against The Lunar High Admiral as summarized by The Outpost Of Oakplumington.
It is our understanding that The Lunar High Admiral stands trial for the following alleged unconstitutional offenses:
- The ejection and banning of two native nations, New England Bastards and Forestavia.
- The banning of five nations native to embassy regions of The Mystical Council.
- The removal of all administrative authority for the entire Lunar Council.
In addition, we note that, immediately following these actions, The Lunar High Admiral also:
- appointed offices who themselves stand accused of unconstitutionally and grossly abusing their authority.
- attempted to replace the entire constitution of The Mystical Council with a new constitution without consent of the founder or natives.
Our understanding is that The Lunar High Admiral is not on trial for these last two actions, only the first three, but it is also our belief that these additional acts provide evidence of intent."
Forestavia
Give your opinion on the situation with the_lunar_high_admiral and it will most likely be put in todays paper!
just telegram us.
He was a raider, banned done.
So much bureaucracy... lol
Forestavia, Malcholm
He was also just a TRF puppet. Just ban him and get it over with, damn it. (You can quote me on that ;))
When the government has to jump through hoops, you have liberty.
When individual nations have to jump through hoops, you have tyranny.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, West Castlemaine
The author is the delegate of one of our embassy regions.
This poll already has the majority.
Total members = 29
Members supporting bill= 15
Members against bill = 1
Members abstained from bill= 13
even if all the abstainers voted no, yes would still have the majority
Forestavia, Order Of Hospitallers
Btw, I love the name of newspaper and the motto, it's bloody amazing!
Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers
I'm just copying the votes here as a public government record. I think New Bacon's going to delete the poll soon. The amendment passed for sure. We will move on to section 32 - attempt #2 (finally) after this. We really need to get section 32 out of the way so our Delegate can have a way to appoint cabinet members. (Please, no new polls people.)
Yes: Netherfar (2), New Bacon (2), Malcholm (LC), Oakplumington (1), AU912 Mystical Council Consulate (LC), Vaspassia (LC), Inca Tribals (1), Trebisond (1), Everloyal (1), Tumetu-iin Noyan (LC), Communista Doctrine (1), Order of Hospitallers (D), Fascism Vector (1), Lunar Apoclypse (1), and Anarcho Capitalist Party (1).
No: Frankiestine (1).
The amendment has passed with approval from two branches of government. This is good enough for a working constitution. (Please note, when the constitution is actually official the rules for passing amendments will be more stringent.)
I will make the appropriate changes in the constitution.
Sentagon (worth 25 votes) [LACKING SUPPORT]: 12 votes in support (48%), 1 vote against (4%), 12 votes absent (48%)
(I think we're going to have to do something about absent voting in Sentagon in the future. Inactivity shouldn't be the thing that kills legislation, in my opinion. We may have to get rid of the simple majority requirement. The larger the region gets, the harder it will be for Sentagon to pass laws. I'm thinking of something along the lines of just majority of voting members. For example, in this case 12-1 would obviously pass Sentagon. This is a another conversation for another time.)
Lunar Council [PASSED]: 4/5 support, 80%
The Delegate [APPROVED]: Approved by Hospitallers
New Bacon, Malcholm
After section 32, we should deal with this:
Section 10
10. Constitutional amendments or alterations must be passed by at least six-tenths of Sentagon, by at least three-fifths of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate.
Replace with
10. Constitutional amendments or alterations must be passed by at least six-tenths of active Sentagon members, by at least three-fifths of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate.
New Bacon, Malcholm
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