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Region: The Mystical Council
Guess who is back!:)
Malcholm
I need to find my old post so that I can do the Lunar Council ceremony with you to make it official.
Civilisunio
Would you like to do that ceremony thing tomorrowish?
Civilisunio
I've got so many dispatches to update...
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Alright well keep me in the loop if there's anything new going on in there.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Sure thing! As far as I'm concerned you can refound it if the founder doesn't return by March. I'll have to clear that with TUDB first though.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'm thinking of developing the backup region. I'm not sure where I'm going with it yet but I might build some embassies over there. I'm leaning towards making it an RP based region.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
Isn't that what MC is?
Alistia, Malcholm
[nation=short]malcholm[/nation] you are already in the lc, why you selected the 'i want to be a candidate' option?
and [nation=short]republic_of_greater_Cuba[/nation] have you decided on weather you will take back the lc seat?
Forestavia, Malcholm
K-Reich embassy canceled! #FashFree
Malcholm
Yeah. Pretty much. I think I'm going to open some windows and get some of that stale air out of there. It needs...something.
Malcholm
What's going on with that? I know we usually discourage people from serving in more than one office but there is no rule against it specifically yet.
Malcholm
I just checked out Mystical Council. I'll volunteer to fill in for a Lunar Council seat temporarily if there is no interest. I can serve as Acting Lunar Councillor. We have nobody over there who is even interested. Or we could loosen up on the "unofficial rule" that bars people from serving in two positions in government.
[nation=short]Emforia[/nation]! Hey, you were once a candidate for the Lunar Council. Still interested?
Alistia, Malcholm
I think this needs to be done here first.
Civilisunio
*chews the celery*
Emperor Troublesolver wrote Civilisunio's name in a book and then pointed to the ring on his finger. "That ring that I gave you the other day belonged to the former Lunar Councillor from Parakka Northland. The ring is a circle. And a circle is the one geometric shape that can look at an issue from all angles. May you judge wisely and ever look at your cases from all angles, being objective, and fair."
"You may take this opportunity to give a speech or an oath to the region."
Malcholm
What did you have in mind?
Anybody want to write an opinion piece for Sunday's paper?
Forestavia
I have stated once before and I state it again. I think that we are all focusing on the goverment of the region, much more than on the region itself and its development. It is a form of narcissism that all regional officers seem to be guilty of, no exception.
Forestavia, Malcholm
Cause I've been doing it since the dawn of time!
I'd say he's had plenty of time to indicate one way or the other. Didn't someone already set a date/time for him to accept/decline by?
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Pretty sure he is.
Malcholm
That would be me a couple of days ago now
Malcholm
To even have a functioning region you need a functioning government. But, we do have to focus on both to keep the unrest low.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Viva Italia
Unrest.. Lol.
*throws Molotov*
Malcholm, Viva Italia
Great, then I am sure you would agree that being clear, direct, mature, and respectful are important keys to a functioning goverment, meanwhile childish angry tantrums serve the exact opposite. Is that true or not?
Malcholm, Viva Italia
It is true.
Anyone interested in participating in the liberation of a region?
Experience in R/D doesn't matter at the moment.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
Post by Barishmacht suppressed by Oakplumington.
It may be true yes but you do not need to flame in the RMB. I know what you are talking about and I asked for it to stop. If you wanna do that then take it to telegrams. This is not childish and immature it is simply to keep the RMB from being clogged up with things that do not need to even happen. If you want to go and completely undermine my authority then we can easily correct that.
Alistia
Would you like to write an opinion piece in the newspaper?
^^^^
Come to think of it I think he's right! After a year and a half (give or take) I should've caught on!
Malcholm
How about an RP interview with Emperor Troublesolver? Does Sunday work for you?
Post by Mugwop suppressed by Oakplumington.
[B]And I did take it to telegrams[/B], and not only did I continue getting disrespectful behavior from you, you continued to refuse explaining why you're acting in a childish and disrespectful manner. And I still ask, [B]why do you act like this?[/B]
I tried time and time again to not only be respectful with you, but also friendly, but all I got from you was uncalled for rude behavior that is not befitting of anyone over the age of 12. Why do you do this?
I mean seriously. This region has seen countless arguments by many people, but as far as I can remember, people always had the decent respect and maturity to at least explain to the other party [B]why they are mad... except you[/B], you who acts like a child with a tantrum, refuse to say the reasons for having this tantrum, and expects in return for people to know your reasons and respect you.
You want people to respect you and your "authority"? How about you act like an adult for a second and earn that respect?
That would be great!Are you able to do it tonight as that would be ideal but Sunday suits fine.
Guys, can you take it to telegram or agree to a "cool down period" and leave each other alone for awhile?
Malcholm, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland
I would like to see some sort of truce.
Alistia, Malcholm, Barishmacht
Indeed.This is rather childish behaviour from both parties.
Alistia
Note that I did do so, but as I said, telegrams did not work. All I have got in return to my attempts of conflict resolution, is a barrage of disrespect.
That is why I have escalated the issue to the judicial branch, the prime minister, and the delegate. Right now the trial of Lampar is reaching final verdict, after that Barishmacht will be put on trial. The biggest issue in all of this is that not only his attitude was disrespectful and rude, but he continues to behave in a childish manner and not even explain [B]WHY[/B] he is disrespectful in such way.
I believe to resolve a conflict, you must understand why it started. Barishmacht refuses to share the 'why' and I am sure you would agree that this is the exact opposite behavior that you would expect from someone who has the position of Minister of Domestic Affairs.
Um, I don't know. What time zone are you in? I might be available after 9pm (EST).
Alistia
Ok, let's try to figure it out together via telegram. I'll make sure I get back on tonight.
i might be able to help, if you are communicating through discord pass me the link
Forestavia, Malcholm
I'll send you a TG :)
Hmm I don't know if that suits me.Sunday is fine.
That might work better because I'm still on and I still have stuff to do. I have to get ready for work tomorrow and stuff still.
Viva Italia
This makes me wish I could 'like' the act of RMB suppression.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Get me in the loop too!
Alistia
Of course :)
Alistia, Malcholm
Heck, I'm 'boutta start campaignin' against the lot'v y'all's ministerial rights.
What does the Minister of War need Communications controls for, anyway?
Alistia, Barishmacht
Maybe to try to prevent leaks of raid information and such?
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
True! However, such responsibility could also fall under the Defense minister's position.
Alistia, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland
I think it should fall under both. They both do have to do with raids and war. Offense and Defense
Parakka Northland
Thats a question to [nation=short]parakka[/nation]
Malcholm, Barishmacht
Do we need an offense and a defense though? Why not have one position that manages both? An effective force is not a divided force, and having individual armies for both offense and defense will spread thin our already slim resources.
Alistia, Barishmacht
i think both positions should merged into one, and maybe given a new title as 'defense' wouldn't exactly fit anymore
Malcholm, Barishmacht
Maybe we will have to put it up to a poll some time
Alistia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba
I have only one outline of why he may be mad. You are a very extreme supporter of the right to free speech, which is a good thing. You said this 10 days ago
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=22016198
While this does say if it violates site rules then it wil be suppressed, in a way it is vague because if it does not need to be suppressed, does that give the peron a chance to fire back with the same things the person previously before did? It seems that in my eyes (maybe more people, idk, I am not them) that you use this to your advantage to basically say whatever the hell you want to say as long as it doesn't violate site rules
Barishmacht
i concur
Malcholm, Barishmacht
the suppression tool is bad in general, the post is still viewable.
Malcholm, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba
basically, using freedom of speech to such an extreme point that pretty much says "hey if I ain't breaking site rules then it doesn't matter"
Alistia, Barishmacht
'Adviser to the Guard?' 'Minister of the Guard?' Maybe?
TBG is our official military, but we hardly even use them.
Alistia, Barishmacht
Post self-deleted by Republic Of Greater Cuba.
I know
Barishmacht
Post by Republic Of Greater Cuba suppressed by Oakplumington.
so their is my idea. Barishmacht is this correct?
Barishmacht
i feel that minister of war is a fine title, as it in name, includes both.
Malcholm, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba
Lets just wait for the thing and that will be the final decision. Until then it should be dropped.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Alright, but my belief is not simply that I, as a citizen of the region, should have the right to say "whatever the hell you want to say as long as it doesn't violate site rules" but also others should have that right, even if I disagree with them.
And that's the crucial point. I don't think this just extends to me and the opinions I agree with, but to all opinions made by the citizens of the region.
Post by Republic Of Greater Cuba suppressed by Oakplumington.
yeah, but it just clutters space up. The only opinions that need to be heard are one that are worth it, Barish's and yours are not important and frankly bs. You keep saying "grow up, and be mature" and Barish fires back at you in response. In the very end it just looks like you two are trying to see who can win at firing more bullsh*t bullets at each other the greatest amount
Alistia
you should still try to settle petty arguments privately, not making the rmb a juicy soap opera.
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Republic Of Greater Cuba
that we all need to see
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Post by Mugwop suppressed by Oakplumington.
The problem is that he is the Minister of Domestic Affairs. His job is to resolve issues, right?
I sent him many respectful and friendly telegrams trying to resolve the problem, I was doing his job. His replies however were the polar opposite: Uncooperative, disrespectful, and condescending.
I find that it is a major issue if one of our ministers neglects their duties. However, when they do THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what their duties are, wouldn't you agree that this is a whole other level of wrong?
Post by Republic Of Greater Cuba suppressed by Oakplumington.
Nope it doesn't matter who's what because your in the government as well as Parakka's right hand man, wouldn't that theoritically make your more powerful? I think so, and shouting at someone below you of neglecting duties while you are doing it yourself in a higher poisition is just plain stupid
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Pthb.
Can I get you to TG the LC some screencaps? Consider your and [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation]'s Judicial review to be officially underway.
@-everyone
Our review of Lampar's case will be published soon, so keep an eye out for updates.
Oakplumington, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Viva Italia
One more post about this subject will result in ejections.
Alistia, Malcholm, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba
*makes a post about the subject*
Malcholm, Barishmacht
We should probably start discussing the next poll. What do we want to vote on next?
Or we could tell jokes for the rest of the evening... I could use some jokes.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
We go to V?
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=707692
Oakplumington
Any rights not listed that we should add?
Anything that should be reworded?
Grammar and spelling?
Nothing to complain about from my end, it checks out.
I'm just eager to finally some laws in this heathenish region.
Alistia, Oakplumington, Barishmacht
I think this should be elaborated on:
"8. Freedom of speech and of the press will be upheld with the exception being violation of NationStates website rules."
I am not necessarily saying that my views on the matter should be what's in there, but I think this requires more details about when and when not to suppress posts.
Also about this "18. All registered voters shall be granted fair and equal access to the polls."
An official definition must be made about what a registered voter is.
Alistia, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Civilisunio
I although I have had these circumstances brought upon my self by my own selfish actions would like to make a huge announcement and I understand this is Probabally the worst time, but When is the best time?
I am officially announcing apon whom that serves me and whom I serve that I will be campaigning to become our regional Viceroy.
Although, I have these chains on my keeping me held by this current case I ask that whomever did such thing please confess I know it is hard, but if you were my freind you would pubically confess [nation=short]lampar[/nation], or [nation=short]republic of greater Cuba[/nation].
Whomever is present at this time I wish to say what must be said.
History has laid a bluntfull blow on us that really has broken the skin. Lemon left when we were just starting to get our grip, then [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] is elected which is all great and dandy except when he is barley on as much. Nobody has sewn up this wound That we have, but I will be the one to sew up this wound and bring a more beautiful and efficient government to our great state.
I already see the keyboard warriors objecting, but what I have been through will make persevere threw such just as I will do if I am elected Viceroy!
I hope that you will consider me for your next delegate!
Alistia, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba
Very good.
I'd like to submit this.
Registered voter - A nation with verifiable WA membership.
Your point about freedom of speech is a fine point. Post suppression should be at the discretion of all nations holding communications of course. But yeah, we do need some clarification on that. It is a form of maintaining order and decorum but it theoretically it can be abused (like all power) by nations holding that authority.
I am very pro freedom of speech myself. I don't like suppressing posts personally, in fact I rarely do it. But I do have the authority and responsibility to maintain order and serve as a check on elected officials that may abuse their authority.
Perhaps we could also explore this proposal written by Parakka:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=653997
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
It's good to see a healthy, public fight for the delegate's seat :) I have no doubt that despite recent events, your prior service to the region shine some light beyond your current situation.
Alistia, Oakplumington, Barishmacht, Civilisunio
Thank you good sir!:)
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Barishmacht
Oak! Define verifiable! What does it mean to be verified?
Pass it as a rider to the Basic Rights of Nations, I say.
Oakplumington, Barishmacht
My goodness... silly me!
A nation has a verifiable WA if they carry WA actively or if they have WA status on another nation and vote with their puppet. In order to verify the puppet the nation should send a telegram from their WA nation to an auditing nation including but not limited to the Monarch, Viceroy, Grand Duke, Prime Minister, and Lunar Councillors. All of these nations should have the authority to audit any puppet as deemed necessary.
Can someone clean this up for me? What I just wrote is a mess and contains thousands of loopholes. I'll be right back. I really do have things to do. It's getting late.
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
their should be a limit on how often someone can be audited, or some sort of special status preventing an audit every 5 seconds, for those that fend/terrorize and switch wa's a lot.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
That'd be the Emperor's Vault that Oak made a week or two back. Dunno if that's signed into any executive orders though, so we might want to make sure it's included as well.
Forestavia, Alistia
I haven't put that into an executive order yet because there is a part of me that is having trouble with the lack of transparency. Right now it's a program that gives our military people requiring secrecy an opportunity to vote. However, if the Lunar Council were to rule against the program in the future the program would come to an end and all of the people in the vault would no longer be considered verified unless they would also let themselves be verified by the other government leaders with auditing powers.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I have just completed my tour of the icto regions I will soon issue a dispatch on what I have learned.
Alistia, Malcholm, Mugwop
Awesome
Gosh I am in the news this week!:0
Viva Italia
Indeed.I am not done yet I still need to finish my interview with Forest.
Civilisunio
I see.
Viva Italia
Wheres the article?
And [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] you should copy vivas articles into the ns++ newspaper.
Malcholm
Today is the first Saturday of November.
I think there's a piece of poetry about remembering something today.
I think it goes "Remember remember... the Alamo"
Yeah that's it. Or is it something else? What do you think guys?
Malcholm
Tmc Weekly News is my puppet.I use it for writing the newspaper.
Partly for the reason below vv but also because i thought it was one of those abilities that might be more beneficial to the role. If the region would like i can have said power removed?
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To answer it was part of the system that the region voted for and thus i had to candidates for one position and decided to place them in roles that best suited their skill sets and focuses. I'm happy for a poll to take place at some point in the future, but in the Minister of Wars defence it would be a shame for him to only just get his position and have it taken away....
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I have to respond to this and point out a few things. Firstly i live in the United Kingdom and thus my "peak time" is not the same as yours, due to the time difference. So saying "he is barley on as much" is hardly true, i'm on quite a bit during my day on my phone or ipad when i get a spare moment. Furthermore, i check NS when i get up in the morning at 4:40am before i go to work, so if thats not me being on i don't know what is. In addition you forget that i have my own region to oversee, so that gets part of my NS focus. Finally, but i also feel the need to point this out that i have a real world life to deal with as well, which involves kid, work etc etc. As such i cannot be on Nation States every waking moment of my life.
Also you speak of wounds, what wounds would you be referring too exactly? As keep in mind this current government system came into being because you and others removed the old one. So i think some clarification is needed here please
Now if your not happy with the government system we have in place, create a proposal for a new one and i will ensure it gets put to the vote. I will confess this government system isnt perfect but then nothing in life is. We have yet to be told how long each minister term of service is and how future elections will be held. For example, will they be on an individual bases or a party basis? This to me is something that should have been answered when the system was put to the vote. But like everyone else here i overlooked it and its something i think needs an answer to ASAP, before any other votes take place.
If you wish to become delegate then go for it
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
I may sound stupid, but what do you mean by "but if you were my freind you would pubically confess [nation=short]lampar[/nation], or [nation=short]republic of greater Cuba[/nation]"?
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
You gotta do one of these things:
[B]EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE![/B]
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=718139
The [nation=short]Lampar[/nation] case is coming to a close. Will he be canned? Will he be banned? Will he be hanged? Read all about it.
And read all about the rumors in town. Is a new delegate coming around?
EXTRA! EXTRA! Get your copy of TMC Weekly News now https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=718139
Alistia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
hanged?
Malcholm
Hanged..... i suppose it rhymes :)
Alistia, Republic Of Greater Cuba
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