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Region: The Mystical Council
Lol I'm reading what I'm posting and my god productive text on the iPad is annoying
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
You're right about that one. Half the reason why I made my own region was to escape the crazy world of non-executives, endo caps, and people telling me who to endorse. I hope that we can continue to let the nations freely decide who to endorse.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland
Anyway guys thanks for entertaining my notion on the subject. Though in closing, In terms of powers a lot of what we have already could be salvaged to some degree and / or reused in some fashion.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
I suppose instead of congress telling people who to endorse they could recommend said person be endorsed instead. Then if the regions WA's refuse then it's back to the drawing board
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Naumadal
Except it doesn't. When was the last time we had a new delegate? Not hating on bacon but he has been delegate 99% of the mystical council replaced mostly by raiders for a day at most in between his terms. Bacon is approaching his 100 day again, and no one else comes close to him for amount of reign. The delegate will not change unless we get raided, bacon resigns, or he cte. again, I think bacon is a great delegate, but we haven't had a new one in forever
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Old things never change
Mostly
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Maybe someday someone will decide to launch a campaign for the Delegacy. It's just sitting there all ripe and juicy for the taking.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland
I doubt anyone will in the near future though. I almost did myself, but bacon is doing a good job so I won't interfere.
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Things will change in the future. Not planning on staying delegate forever. Lemon is right though I've been in government long enough.
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
Well, that was pretty fast. No one has even challenged Bacon but all it took was for one person to speak up about it and Boom! Just like that... Illfated is 3 endorsements away from taking the Delegacy. I think we've got the delegacy part of government right.
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
If [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] decides to resign, I would like to campaign to replace him.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
We're running short on officers. The 4 Parliamentary positions will take us to 13 officers. Since the ORCA cabinet office isn't official we could get rid of that one.
Or, Bacon, you could nullify the Appearance Authority Act and free up a spot that way. I don't think you need appearance to make a map. Why did we pass that? I can't remember now. Was that so that you could put the dispatch up with the map?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
You can dismiss me, I don't need to be an officer. I will stay on the council (unless you guys don't want me too) while we sort it out. I would eventually want it back though, just while we sort this out
Forestavia, New Bacon
That is very nice of you to offer. But that office is an important office. You were elected by the people. The ORCA Rep, the Secretary Delegate, and the Map Minister were not. I believe the appointed offices should be the first on the chopping block.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tHba_OtfbI&index=2&list=PLR2G3Mh5Z4fm3t9Qw7FZA3oAmddmPikn6
I have some ideas for better utilizing officer positions. Exotic Lemon raised a good point earlier about the Lunar Council not having enough stuff to do. I'm thinking we could assign some of these appointed offices to the Lunar Council:
Example:
Chef - Recruitment
Exotic Lemon - Military Director
Lunar Councillor with R/D experience - ORCA Rep
Down the road, we could assign specific jobs like this to the Parliament as well.
New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Yes without having to ask you all to put the dispatch up.
What if we give that job specifically to one of the Lunar Councillors? Their job will be to keep your map dispatches attached to the WFE and visible to the region. That way we can have an extra officer position for the Parliament. You will still be in charge of the map but the RP person will make sure that the map is up there for you.
I'm going to try something out real quick. I'm not destroying the government, I promise.
*Signs onto Oak*
Ok then. I will see about repealing the law by the New Bacon Gov't. I do expect them to keep the map clearly visible on the wfe in conjunction with it being in the info center.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Seconds ago: The Impoverished Wasteland of Oakplumington renamed the office held by The Colony of Parakka Northland from "Lunar Councillor" to "Lunar Councillor (RP Officer)" in The Mystical Council.
•Seconds ago: The Impoverished Wasteland of Oakplumington renamed the office held by The Republic of Exotic Lemon from "Lunar Councillor" to "Lunar Councillor (Military Contact)" in The Mystical Council.
•1 minute ago: The Impoverished Wasteland of Oakplumington renamed the office held by The Kingdom of Mugwop from "Lunar Councillor" to "Lunar Councillor (Recruitment)" in The Mystical Council.
This is just a test run. I want to know how we like this idea. You are still equals on the council, but now you have some "identity"
The other two are pretty clear cut, but I'll say something specific about Parakka's assignment. Your main job, Parakka, will be to keep Bacon's map dispatch attached to the WFE, if Bacon's ok with this idea.
Parakka Northland
Excellent! :)
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
What does naumadal and au912 do?
Come on people!
1 more vote to tie for fourth!
Every vote counts, vote Lampar!
Plugo, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
Incorrect, not every vote counts. Mine doesn't
I'm going to sign off for probably awhile. I wanted to be around to help things transition smoothly with Parliament coming into power. We're going through an evolutionary phase in this region. I'll try to sign back on by Tuesday or Wednesday.
Plugo, Parakka Northland
I don't know yet. Any ideas?
SHOTS FIRED
Dosh Semiw, Plugo
No one wants the delegacy, back when i first joined, i would bring my boys with me and we would get the delegacy for like 2 weeks until we needed to raid.
I tried that before but my idea was shot down.
i wanted each officer to run a department, weather that be foreign affairs, defense, etc.
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba
We should just abolish the council and give everyone one specific job.
AGREED
Plugo, Civilisunio
[B]Roleplay[/B]
[B]Breaking News[/B]
The New Bacon Senate and House are convening to repeal the regional law The New Bacon Appearance Act
these changes will occur once the law is voted out by the New Bacon Congress
-Seizure of the Map Minister Position
-Changes the Name from the New Bacon Geological Survey to Bacon-Mystical Council Geological Survey
Also The New Bacon National Government is repealing the World Assembly Act. These changes will occur once this law is passed
-Seizure of WA delegate position
-Various Taxes fall
-Loss of World Assembly Bureau
These laws are being voted on at the request of the Regional Founder and the Voices of the People.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
If your'e the delegate i guess you wont be raiding then..?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Naumadal
Roleplay
In a regional press conference Friedrich Hayek urges new bacon to stay as the regional delegate, stating that new bacon's rule with the position has been effective and strong.
Naumadal, Bacon Central News
I don't plan on being delegate long. Maybe a month or two tops, just to help set up this new government
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] we should just replace the lunar council with a council of ministers.
Each current council member can resign or choose to be a "minister of (something)*
Some of the people who win in this sentagon election will also be a minister.
Naumadal
I will definitely support [nation=short]teurs[/nation] or [nation=short]illfated[/nation] if they run for the delegacy.
Naumadal, Teurs
i agree with plugo about ministers, replace the council and sentagon with ministers with different duties.
Examples from wiki:
Agriculture minister
Climate change minister
Commerce minister
Communication minister
Culture minister
Defence minister
Deputy prime minister
Education minister
Energy minister
Environment minister
Finance minister
Fisheries minister
Food minister
Foreign minister
Forestry minister
Health minister
Home minister
Housing minister
Immigration minister
Industry minister
Information minister
Inland revenue minister
Interior minister
Justice minister
Labor minister
Marine affairs minister
Mining minister
Natural resources minister
Planning minister
Prime minister
Public works minister
Science minister
Sports minister
Tourism minister
Transport minister
Water resources minister
Plugo, Bacon Central News
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[B]Breaking News[/B]
The regional law to repeal the New Bacon Appearance Act has passed and approved by President Climaco however, repealing the World Assembly Act Failed due to President Climaco's veto. The New Bacon Congress will reconvene to try to override the veto.
Copies of the Laws Initially passed by New Bacon's Congress
Repeal The New Bacon Appearance Act Statute 199
This act hereby declares the regional law null and void with the following actions
-Seizure of the Map Minister position
Actions that remain are, the New Bacon Geological Survey continues to serve the mystical council
Renames the New Bacon Geological Survey to Bacon-Mystical Council Geological Survey.
Senate: 80-22
House: 292-287
Approval By: President Clímaco
*This law failed*
Repeal the World Assembly Act Statute 120
This law hereby repeals New Bacon from joining the World Assembly ever. Therefore be it enacted by congress.
These changes will occur,
-Seizure of the WA delegate position
-Various taxes fall in the District of Columbia and New Bacon
-Loss of the World Assembly Bureau
Senate: 60-42
House: 380-199
Approval By: VETOED by President Climaco
Plugo
Prime Minister - Appearance, Embassies, Border Control, Communications, Polls
Minister of Defense - Border Control, Communications
Foreign Minister - Embassies, Communications
Interior Minister - Communications, Polls
Minister of Culture - Appearance, Communications
WA Minister (WA delegate renamed) - World Assembly, Executive, Embassies, Appearance, Border Control, Communications, Polls
Minister of Emergencies (Founder Renamed) - Executive
I've read the 91 rmb messages and might have a solution. What if we have the 2 councils, one will be for 'ministers' and the other for elites (eg. delegate, founder, etc.). Its a small adjustment, but very beneficial. (also sorry for getting in between all this especially since im new)
Plugo, Parakka Northland
House of lords and house of commons basically?
Civilisunio
Oh no please voice your opinions! :)
We appreciate all opinions ideas and suggestions.
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Will the 'elite' one be able to vote on the ministers legislation though?
Civilisunio
Probably only 10% of the region
not even
Hmm?
Alistia, Rondaland
then 5%. I feel like this elite will always be permanent, with no elections
I agree, cuba please restate we are both confused..?
Alistia, Plugo
there will be elections, just probably not often. Example, New Bacon is elected and he has been delegate for a long time.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
I meant will the elite be able to vote on legislation the ministers are voting on?
If people wanted they could change the delegate any time so.
Alistia, New Bacon
Only a very small percentage of the region would be given those privileges
Post self-deleted by Plugo.
Post by Republic Of Greater Cuba suppressed by Exotic Lemon.
they are called the elite for a reason
your not anwsering his question XD
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
I suppressed that just because it took up so much room.
he just spammed the question mark so I do not know what he is specifically asking
Plugo
like currently the delegate cant vote on the other branches legislation, would the elite be able too?
Plugo
Will the 'elite' one be able to vote on the ministers legislation though? - [nation=short]Plugo[/nation] 8 Minutes Ago.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
Most likely, idk
Plugo
Post by Republic Of Greater Cuba suppressed by Plugo.
adding this in for sh*ts and giggles
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Post self-deleted by Plugo.
So assuming we put plugos proposal in effect, who would run for offices?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
eh, maybe me if I do not win this current election
Even if you did you won't get any seat if we are implementing the ministers.
UNLESS
We merge the current lunar council members with the elected sentagon members to get the seats.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
i would run for prime.
I would run for defense or delegate.
Plugo
I hope so then
Plugo
This region is kinda like my home now
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Malcholm, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
the thought of you as wa minister is interesting, my mind doesn't know what to think.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
I am moving a little out of defense and more into government. I am still active in military though. I have only been delegate (as exotic lemon) once, and for less than a day.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
Just logged in as this nation, found 423 posts and I checked yesterday.
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Plugo
We basically had the mystical council convention today, everyone spoke their ideas about government and wrote proposals.
Even the quite people spoke up today.
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba
This surprising?
Plugo
Its me lemon by the way.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Kind of, usually we get oike 10-20 posts a day from government people, today we got 420+ from everyone in the region, its good.
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
good in the hood
Dosh Semiw, Plugo
Its great.
we in the top 10% for drugs and nudity again :)
(our region)
Dosh Semiw, Republic Of Greater Cuba
k ima shower, then add some stuff to my ministry proposal, and watch a tv show then sleep.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
Definetley. They are a citizen and part of the government, aren't they? They would be treated normal. No 'extra votes' or 'Special Treatment'.
Pastia, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
Problem is then the ministers are not equal. Trust me when I say this you will end up with problems down the road
New Bacon
Please dont close tge lunar council.
New Bacon, Patialand, Parakka Northland
Why not? Just playing devils advocate
New Bacon, Malcholm, Civilisunio
Not really, they would be equal with different responsibilities. Of course the prime, and wa ministers would have more power but the presidents do now so no change.
New Bacon, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
I dont mean to suggest in design they wouldn't be equal but in how those roles are viewed. Equally some people might not want certain jobs etc
New Bacon
I hope any changes will be affected only after the will of the resident nations have been taken into account. I do agree that the sentagon needs a space where it can talk without any interference. There is no need to dissolve the lunar council. We can have the sentagon as the US house of Representatives. The lunar council as the Senate. A cabinet of ministers. A delegate acting as the President. All the separate branches can have their own regions, their own rules. But their membership will be controlled.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
The problem is people feel the branches are Too seperate, i.e. lunar councilors feeling useless not being able to vote in sentagon matters etc.
Kazukame, Alistia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
I have a proposal for reforming both the Sentagon and Lunar Council for us to ponder here: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683954
New Bacon, Malcholm, Plugo, Naumadal
I like that, but the proposal of specific ministers is also very appealing...
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I have an idea. Why don't we use a concept of Federalism? We divide up into 3. Federal(Elites/Large Officers) Which is the leader and it's main objective is to protect the citizens and cancel out policies that they believe will infringe that mindset. 2. The Lunar Council, These are elected in by the public and that will check all policies before they go threw and make sure they fit the region, Don't Infringe the Citizens righrd, and their problem is clearly states and their solution is valid. 3. The Ministry, this is an elected council of Ministers Thats goal is to create policies and veto policies that are based off their selected type (e.g. Defense, Agriculture, etc.)
Hope this helped!:D
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Borbun
*Rights
*stated
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
So...like the Divergent series?
lol, just kidding.
Plugo
Is it? I've never read it. I just thought of it as a book everyone else had read and i could just ask then what happened.XD
Lampar, Plugo
The beginning sounds like the main concept of it.
Having some sort of...factions, that each do their own thing.
But, besides that, nothing is really alike.
Malcholm, Plugo, Civilisunio
There are many interesting ideas going around, I for one greatly support the idea of a council of ministers, so we each have our own responsibilities instead of 4-5 people doing the same thing.
New Bacon, Plugo
+1
Who is the +1? Au912 is a little different because he is president.
New Bacon
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