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Chingis wrote:Mugwop can we explain the situation in English plz

Ewww.

Alistia wrote:Id like a vote to be put up to add 1 judicial seat to the bench or something similar

Ewww.

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Hey Y'all i have returned from yet another dumb adventure on NS and have returned for some action *Rubs Hands Together*, but really i wanted to say i missed you guys (Yet Again :/ xD). For real though i decided i couldnt stay put anywhere without getting bored so i decided to return here although it probabally gets old, i dont really care.

Thanks, Ole' Civ

Alistia, Parakka Northland

Viva Italia wrote:I would advise not antagonising either side

Since when were you holding embassies with Kaiserreich since the Red Fleet strikes for over 10 years?

Mugwop wrote:"Look at me, I am new puppet of someone who has a grudge against Kais. Let me me go to a region that has a bad history with Kais, and make a public statement about plotting an attack against Kais (which is a useless and pointless effort for TMC)"

Just what the hell are you doing pal?

So what? And are you enemies with Kaiserreich because this region is labelled by the CAIN as a Nazi region?

Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull wrote:Since when were you holding embassies with Kaiserreich since the Red Fleet strikes for over 10 years?

So what? And are you enemies with Kaiserreich because this region is labelled by the CAIN as a Nazi region?

In any case, if you are here for some sort of brigade to go help you in some personal vendetta against KAIS, then you have come to the wrong region. Such things are useless and pointless to us and are nothing more than a waste of time.

You seem to be very familiar with CAIN, so go take your puppet and whatever is your case over to their regions to help you in your war against KAIS. You will find no help from us.

Alistia, Malcholm

Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull wrote:Since when were you holding embassies with Kaiserreich since the Red Fleet strikes for over 10 years?

So what? And are you enemies with Kaiserreich because this region is labelled by the CAIN as a Nazi region?

Trust me we don't want to annoy either of them.

Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:Yeah I'm not saying anything about changing the seniority system, it's just now we're gonna have some discrepancy about who will be the next JB president after Gyuamno, whenever that happens, but I guess we can reassess the situation at that time.

As to next month's election, all the seats are now filled. If we have a JB election next month, we gotta put one of the current councillors seat up for election. If one of the current members wants to volunteer and reset their cycle, feel free to go through an election on your seat. If not, no election next month.

That being said, as I mentioned earlier, [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]'s seat will be up for election in March. The JB election cycle after that will be in April. Whose seat will be up for reelection? [nation=short]Chingis[/nation] or [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation]? You all need to figure this out if there's no one to volunteer for reelection.

So that's the current reset issue. Either one [nation=short]Chingis[/nation] or [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] volunteer their seat for election next month, or we have to later decide whose seat is up for election in April.

As it shouldn't make a difference regarding succession then ill volunteer to have my seat up for election next month. Though in future you might want to make a note of when each seat is due for election and then make the candidates aware of that so they know when their seat is next up (as it would save a lot of hassle if that makes sense)

Alistia wrote:Id like a vote to be put up to add 1 judicial seat to the bench or something similar

Looking at the poll again option for 4 seats didn't even get a vote. So as such it would seem completely ludicrous to even add one seat. So either we stick with 3 seats as voted for or we go back to 5 seats (though that would require yet another vote and more wasted time)

Civilisunio wrote:

Hey Y'all i have returned from yet another dumb adventure on NS and have returned for some action *Rubs Hands Together*, but really i wanted to say i missed you guys (Yet Again :/ xD). For real though i decided i couldnt stay put anywhere without getting bored so i decided to return here although it probabally gets old, i dont really care.

Thanks, Ole' Civ

Whilst its nice to see you back saying that you had a dumb adventure in Solar Alliance which is my region by the way is kinda insulting (im aware you might not have meant it to come across like that but thought i should point it out)

Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:As it shouldn't make a difference regarding succession then ill volunteer to have my seat up for election next month. Though in future you might want to make a note of when each seat is due for election and then make the candidates aware of that so they know when their seat is next up (as it would save a lot of hassle if that makes sense)

Looking at the poll again option for 4 seats didn't even get a vote. So as such it would seem completely ludicrous to even add one seat. So either we stick with 3 seats as voted for or we go back to 5 seats (though that would require yet another vote and more wasted time)Whilst its nice to see you back saying that you had a dumb adventure in Solar Alliance which is my region by the way is kinda insulting (im aware you might not have meant it to come across like that but thought i should point it out)

I was other places to mate. Dont get butthurt i didnt mention your region and didnt so on purpose.

Parakka Northland

Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull wrote:I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL WARMASTER HORCRUX, PRIMARCH OF THE SONS OF THE HORCRUX, LORD OF THE 666TH SPACE MUFFINS LEGION!

TAKE COVER! IT'S THE DEVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gyuamno, Viva Italia

*casually waits for a job*

Parakka Northland wrote:As it shouldn't make a difference regarding succession then ill volunteer to have my seat up for election next month. Though in future you might want to make a note of when each seat is due for election and then make the candidates aware of that so they know when their seat is next up (as it would save a lot of hassle if that makes sense)

Gotta be honest with you, things change all the time here that it's hard to keep schedule of things.

Okay, so here's what's gonna happen now regarding the JB:

>The next JB president will need to be picked by [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] if he loses his seat before the other 2 current JB members. He doesn't have to choose now, but whenever [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] leaves the council.

>Like the ministers, each JB now serves a term of 3 months before elections.

>The seat in which [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] serves has the terms:

(January 1st - March 31st) / (April 1st - June 30th) / (July 1st - September 30th) / (October 1st - December 31st)

>The seat in which [nation=short]Chingis[/nation] serves has the terms:

(February 1st - April 30th) / (May 1st - July 31st) / (August 1st - October 31st) / (November 1st - January 31st)

>The seat in which [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] serves will be reset by putting it up for election next month, such that it has the terms:

(March 1st - May 31st) / (June 1st - August 30th) / (September 1st - November 30th) / (December 1st - February 28th/29th)

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

I added the aforementioned schedule in here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=743586 under section 4 of Election Rules and Regulations.

I didn't actually change any laws with this, I only implemented more preexisting details into the dispatch.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:Gotta be honest with you, things change all the time here that it's hard to keep schedule of things.

Okay, so here's what's gonna happen now regarding the JB:

>The next JB president will need to be picked by [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] if he loses his seat before the other 2 current JB members. He doesn't have to choose now, but whenever [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] leaves the council.

>Like the ministers, each JB now serves a term of 3 months before elections.

>The seat in which [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] serves has the terms:

(January 1st - March 31st) / (April 1st - June 30th) / (July 1st - September 30th) / (October 1st - December 31st)

>The seat in which [nation=short]Chingis[/nation] serves has the terms:

(February 1st - April 30th) / (May 1st - July 31st) / (August 1st - October 31st) / (November 1st - January 31st)

>The seat in which [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] serves will be reset by putting it up for election next month, such that it has the terms:

(March 1st - May 31st) / (June 1st - August 30th) / (September 1st - November 30th) / (December 1st - February 28th/29th)

I know what you mean I naturally assumed you knew which seat was up for election next. Sorry about the assumption

Civilisunio wrote:I was other places to mate. Dont get butthurt i didnt mention your region and didnt so on purpose.

I brought it up as it showed on the region news feed which region you arrived from so yeah that night help understanding my comment

Ok guys not finished my Wiki 100% but i would say im a good 80% the way throw. Heres a link to the directory ive created on [nation=short]Parakka[/nation] if anyone is interested https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka/detail=factbook/id=759701

Forestavia

Civilisunio wrote:... i decided i couldnt stay put anywhere without getting bored so i decided to return here although it probabally gets old, i dont really care....

Feel free to come and go as you please. There is a lot to explore in this big NS world of ours. Solar Alliance and TMC are getting very close lately so it's almost like you never really left us! :)

Are you still going to RP over there? I'm just curious because if not I'll have that CEO move to a different country.

Gyuamno, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia

We should name the seats so it's easier to keep track of their rotations

Forestavia, Parakka Northland

Chingis wrote:We should name the seats so it's easier to keep track of their rotations

Gy is now in seat 1, you're in seat 2, Parakka is in seat 3

Forestavia

Forestavia wrote:Feel free to come and go as you please. There is a lot to explore in this big NS world of ours. Solar Alliance and TMC are getting very close lately so it's almost like you never really left us! :)

Are you still going to RP over there? I'm just curious because if not I'll have that CEO move to a different country.

He's after colour territory Civ haha

Forestavia

Forestavia wrote:Feel free to come and go as you please. There is a lot to explore in this big NS world of ours. Solar Alliance and TMC are getting very close lately so it's almost like you never really left us! :)

Are you still going to RP over there? I'm just curious because if not I'll have that CEO move to a different country.

Obviously.:p I intend to keep my ties to solar alliance tight as long as people do rp with me.:) [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] Sorry if i sounded like i meant SA i didnt i should have been more descriptive.

Forestavia, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:In any case, if you are here for some sort of brigade to go help you in some personal vendetta against KAIS, then you have come to the wrong region. Such things are useless and pointless to us and are nothing more than a waste of time.

You seem to be very familiar with CAIN, so go take your puppet and whatever is your case over to their regions to help you in your war against KAIS. You will find no help from us.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Mugwop. We are the damned, we are the despised. And I am going to make you sure that we, as the Vanguard of the Left, will rise!

Parakka Northland wrote:He's after your territory Civ haha

I thought I would change my auto correct error

Civilisunio wrote:Obviously.:p I intend to keep my ties to solar alliance tight as long as people do rp with me.:) [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] Sorry if i sounded like i meant SA i didnt i should have been more descriptive.

It's all cool :)

Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull wrote:The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Mugwop. We are the damned, we are the despised. And I am going to make you sure that we, as the Vanguard of the Left, will rise!

Ok I'm getting a little tired of reading this type of post. So before anyone in the region should even remotely entertain doing as you wish, which let's be clear is declare war on anouther region, you are going to have to answer some questions first.

1) who is your main nation?

2) what's your beef with Kass (I've abbreviated the name as I can't spell it and I can't be bothered to look for it)

3) Why us and not anouther region?

If you fail to answer these question I will discuss this issue with the other members of the judicial branch to firstly see if you have violated any rules or even put the regions security at risk.

Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:Ok I'm getting a little tired of reading this type of post. So before anyone in the region should even remotely entertain doing as you wish, which let's be clear is declare war on anouther region, you are going to have to answer some questions first.

1) who is your main nation?

2) what's your beef with Kass (I've abbreviated the name as I can't spell it and I can't be bothered to look for it)

3) Why us and not anouther region?

If you fail to answer these question I will discuss this issue with the other members of the judicial branch to firstly see if you have violated any rules or even put the regions security at risk.

Kaiserreich

Parakka Northland

He's an anti nazist

Parakka Northland

Welp they changed the mobile layout for ns.

Gyuamno, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Aratain

Civilisunio wrote:Welp they changed the mobile layout for ns.

I thought my phone was about to explode.

Civilisunio

Civilisunio wrote:Welp they changed the mobile layout for ns.

Yes and it is atrocious...

Truxol, Civilisunio

Viva Italia wrote:Yes and it is atrocious...

I agree, looked better when everything was vertical.

Civilisunio, Viva Italia

Viva Italia wrote:Yes and it is atrocious...

I don't know it's not that bad....

Parakka Northland wrote:I don't know it's not that bad....

Some things go on top of other things and it just looks a bit wrong...

Aratain wrote:Some things go on top of other things and it just looks a bit wrong...

I had that problem with the old layout.

Hm.

I am tempted to go a technology addiction/anti-borg tirade but I think I'll just let everyone vent freely instead.

Gyuamno, Parakka Northland

I can't help myself. I miss the days when a phone was just a phone!

*Reminisces*

Gyuamno, Parakka Northland

I'm telling you. There's a conspiracy afoot! They're going to have our phones connected to our brains. And then what'll happen???? Then where will we be? Huh? Huh? Don't get sucked in people. Do we really need Facebook on our phones? Twitter? NS? Our entire existence???? You feel me?

Gyuamno, Parakka Northland

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

Gyuamno, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

*Meets with mob boss*

I'm interested in mind control. There is a rumor going around that when people look at the right combination of pixels in their phones, computers, and TV's you can plant subtle thoughts in their brains.

Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

Hello!

I am the President Elect of The Serenity Republic! I want to extend my friendship by saying we look forward to seeing and meeting everyone here!

Gyuamno, Forestavia, Alistia, Barishmacht, Civilisunio, Viva Italia

Nah jk. Hello! Welcome to tmc.

Parakka Northland wrote:Ok I'm getting a little tired of reading this type of post. So before anyone in the region should even remotely entertain doing as you wish, which let's be clear is declare war on anouther region, you are going to have to answer some questions first.

1) who is your main nation?

2) what's your beef with Kass (I've abbreviated the name as I can't spell it and I can't be bothered to look for it)

3) Why us and not anouther region?

If you fail to answer these question I will discuss this issue with the other members of the judicial branch to firstly see if you have violated any rules or even put the regions security at risk.

I have had an answer to these questions via telegram. So to quote as i dont believe its a secret

"1. I am the main nation.

2. I have been sent to unite the entire NS against Kaiserreich, to avenge Lampar and Naumadal and the others who are against Kaiserreich.

3. Because it was there Naumadal and Lampar were from."

Thanks for your cooperation [nation=short]Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull[/nation]

Parakka Northland wrote:I have had an answer to these questions via telegram. So to quote as i dont believe its a secret

"1. I am the main nation.

2. I have been sent to unite the entire NS against Kaiserreich, to avenge Lampar and Naumadal and the others who are against Kaiserreich.

3. Because it was there Naumadal and Lampar were from."

Thanks for your cooperation [nation=short]Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull[/nation]

So what do we do avoid it?

Parakka Northland wrote:I have had an answer to these questions via telegram. So to quote as i dont believe its a secret

"1. I am the main nation.

2. I have been sent to unite the entire NS against Kaiserreich, to avenge Lampar and Naumadal and the others who are against Kaiserreich.

3. Because it was there Naumadal and Lampar were from."

Thanks for your cooperation [nation=short]Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull[/nation]

>"I am the main nation."

>Founded 3 days ago.

>Happens to know all about CAIN, KAIS, Lampar, and Naumadal

Boy I sure do believe all of this.

I say if he comes back in, we ban this puppet.

Truxol, Viva Italia

Oh my godddd the mobile layout is trash! This is my first time logging in to the mobile layout of ns. It's chaotic!

Gyuamno, Alistia, Truxol, Civilisunio, Viva Italia, Aratain

New Bacon wrote:Oh my godddd the mobile layout is trash! This is my first time logging in to the mobile layout of ns. It's chaotic!

i like the new layout personally

New Bacon

Mugwop wrote:>"I am the main nation."

>Founded 3 days ago.

>Happens to know all about CAIN, KAIS, Lampar, and Naumadal

Boy I sure do believe all of this.

I say if he comes back in, we ban this puppet.

We would have to convene as a council first to decide if that is appropriate or not

Parakka Northland wrote:We would have to convene as a council first to decide if that is appropriate or not

He's a puppet of an outsider who has come in here to incite negative discourse between us and another region. He does not have have rights here.

Civilisunio

Mugwop wrote:He's a puppet of an outsider who has come in here to incite negative discourse between us and another region. He does not have have rights here.

Although i would like to say thats true, its not. It is not clearly defined in the basic rights of nations on how a nation obtains those rights meaning we have to assume he has the rights or we hold a case (Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull vs. The Mystical Council Issue: The Rights of nations that have come to the mystical council to do wrong. Keep in mind another issue arises as well which is wether or not he DID anything wrong.) I have said this before and i will say it now, our complete government is flawed to a extreme, The Judicial Branch denying cases and infringing nations rights, Laws not into place to clearly define if somebody did wrong. Meaning we are just trying people or accusing people based on our morales and some ethical reasons. This is why we need to speed up the process of the constitution because our government is, again, flawed and that would create a basis for new laws, amendments, and a structure for the region.

(By the way, the first educated medium speeech i have done in a while. 😃😊)

Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland

Civilisunio wrote:Although i would like to say thats true, its not. It is not clearly defined in the basic rights of nations on how a nation obtains those rights meaning we have to assume he has the rights or we hold a case (Warmaster Horcrux Luprecull vs. The Mystical Council Issue: The Rights of nations that have come to the mystical council to do wrong. Keep in mind another issue arises as well which is wether or not he DID anything wrong.) I have said this before and i will say it now, our complete government is flawed to a extreme, The Judicial Branch denying cases and infringing nations rights, Laws not into place to clearly define if somebody did wrong. Meaning we are just trying people or accusing people based on our morales and some ethical reasons. This is why we need to speed up the process of the constitution because our government is, again, flawed and that would create a basis for new laws, amendments, and a structure for the region.

(By the way, the first educated medium speeech i have done in a while. 😃😊)

I agree a constitution and well established laws are essential for the judicial branch to function. Rulings will be based in material law rather than one's opinion or moral standing.

Alistia

Bad stuff is going on in my life. I'm going to be off of nationstates for while. I'll be back though, don't worry.

[nation=short]Teurs[/nation], and any other future delegates, I grant you the powers belonging to the Monarch for whatever span of time it takes for me to return.

Welcome back to TMC [nation=short]Ann Arbour[/nation]!

Gyuamno, Alistia, Civilisunio, Aratain

Forestavia wrote:Bad stuff is going on in my life. I'm going to be off of nationstates for while. I'll be back though, don't worry.

[nation=short]Teurs[/nation], and any other future delegates, I grant you the powers belonging to the Monarch for whatever span of time it takes for me to return.

Welcome back to TMC [nation=short]Ann Arbour[/nation]!

Hope everything is OK and you manage to sort things out. If there's anything I can do to help let me know

Civilisunio

Forestavia wrote:Bad stuff is going on in my life. I'm going to be off of nationstates for while. I'll be back though, don't worry.

[nation=short]Teurs[/nation], and any other future delegates, I grant you the powers belonging to the Monarch for whatever span of time it takes for me to return.

Welcome back to TMC [nation=short]Ann Arbour[/nation]!

Good to be back.

Forestavia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

I would like to propose some changes to the current system.

[B]First[/B]

i would like to see the creation of two legislative bodies, the first body would consist of all nations not in the second body and would be for all intensive purposes Parliament. There main task would be to write and debate pre-Legislation ensuring that they comply with - and what is hoped - will be our constitution at some point. They would then pass it onto a committee for approval and polishing. In addition the process can be reversed. Once both Parliament and the Committee have agreed then the legislation comes into force.

The aim of this will be to ensure that our region legislation meet with approval of the region but are also of a certain quality and are not what could be classed as revenge legislation.

[B]Second[/B]

i would like to propose that we define what Citizenship means. I think the following definition should apply "A citizen is a nation that can prove that he is not a proxy nation, this can be achieved either by ensuring that the Founder, Judicial President and Delegate are aware of his main nation, or by being a member of the World Assembly." By being a citizen it means that a nation can be fully part of the region and can participate in elections, become a region official (of some description) and create legislation that well be debate and voted on.

In addition a new nation to the region will receive Temporary Citizenship for the first seven days within the region, Temporary Citizenship is defined as "A nation of the region who is granted temporary citizenship and is protected by the regions laws, for the first seven days of being a member of the region. After those seven days they either comply and remain a citizen or don't will be known as a foreign national". A Nation that is granted Temporary citizenship will only be protected by the regions laws, they will not be allowed to vote, draft legislation or run for government positions.

Finally a Foreign Nation is a nation that has not become a citizen of the region and is not protected by the regions laws, not allowed to vote, take part in government and not allowed to draft legislation. They will however, be allowed to take part in discussion on the RMB.

Would it be possible please [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] to put these issues up for a regional vote, particularly the last one?

Forestavia, Malcholm, Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:I would like to propose some changes to the current system.

[B]First[/B]

i would like to see the creation of two legislative bodies, the first body would consist of all nations not in the second body and would be for all intensive purposes Parliament. There main task would be to write and debate pre-Legislation ensuring that they comply with - and what is hoped - will be our constitution at some point. They would then pass it onto a committee for approval and polishing. In addition the process can be reversed. Once both Parliament and the Committee have agreed then the legislation comes into force.

The aim of this will be to ensure that our region legislation meet with approval of the region but are also of a certain quality and are not what could be classed as revenge legislation.

[B]Second[/B]

i would like to propose that we define what Citizenship means. I think the following definition should apply "A citizen is a nation that can prove that he is not a proxy nation, this can be achieved either by ensuring that the Founder, Judicial President and Delegate are aware of his main nation, or by being a member of the World Assembly." By being a citizen it means that a nation can be fully part of the region and can participate in elections, become a region official (of some description) and create legislation that well be debate and voted on.

In addition a new nation to the region will receive Temporary Citizenship for the first seven days within the region, Temporary Citizenship is defined as "A nation of the region who is granted temporary citizenship and is protected by the regions laws, for the first seven days of being a member of the region. After those seven days they either comply and remain a citizen or don't will be known as a foreign national". A Nation that is granted Temporary citizenship will only be protected by the regions laws, they will not be allowed to vote, draft legislation or run for government positions.

Finally a Foreign Nation is a nation that has not become a citizen of the region and is not protected by the regions laws, not allowed to vote, take part in government and not allowed to draft legislation. They will however, be allowed to take part in discussion on the RMB.

Would it be possible please [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] to put these issues up for a regional vote, particularly the last one?

Could we not put citizenship up for vote? I worked on something for citizenship in thw constitution that closely relates and i dont want my written atricle to be nullified.

I believe the government need a complete makeover. It is in-efficient and doesnt get anything done in a time frame and doesnt have any structure to work off of.

Alistia, Parakka Northland

Civilisunio wrote:Could we not put citizenship up for vote? I worked on something for citizenship in thw constitution that closely relates and i dont want my written atricle to be nullified.

I believe the government need a complete makeover. It is in-efficient and doesnt get anything done in a time frame and doesnt have any structure to work off of.

Normally I would say we could wait if it wasn't for the issue repeatedly cropping up.

Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:Normally I would say we could wait if it wasn't for the issue repeatedly cropping up.

Then do you want me to take it out of the constitution and make it a bill?

Parakka Northland

Civilisunio wrote:Then do you want me to take it out of the constitution and make it a bill?

I would want to see it first tbh

Civilisunio

Parakka Northland wrote:I would want to see it first tbh

Righty. I will get it ready and i will release it by tomorrow evening CST.

What will constitute to regional citizenship?

Ann Arbour wrote:What will constitute to regional citizenship?

Nevermind I see what has been said. I vote to move ahead with this plan. Ann Arbour shows strong support for this plan.

Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:I would like to propose some changes to the current system.

Would it be possible please [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] to put these issues up for a regional vote, particularly the last one?

Make it into a dispatch. I like a lot of this.

Civilisunio wrote:Could we not put citizenship up for vote? I worked on something for citizenship in thw constitution that closely relates and i dont want my written atricle to be nullified.

I believe the government need a complete makeover. It is in-efficient and doesnt get anything done in a time frame and doesnt have any structure to work off of.

If the definition of a citizen is the same one I saw a while back in the copy of the constitution, then it's a really bad one. I'm not gonna go into details about it as the copy of the constitution has not been made public, but when it becomes so, I will share an entire list I made of each and every section that I found loopholes and inefficiencies.

Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland

First order, if you did not get an acceptance letter from me on the Battle Guard, that means your either A, not committed, or B, you do not have a World Assembly and your form got trashed. Reconsider your actions on registering. You're required to have a World Assembly when registering for The Battle Guard.

Next! There needs to be a clear reason on what you define citizenship. [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka[/nation].

Aratain

I'm also proposing a bill on citizenship. Also before I finish this constitution I would like to see interactive legislative bodies of government. I expect to see that if the constitution passes.

New Bacon wrote:I'm also proposing a bill on citizenship. Also before I finish this constitution I would like to see interactive legislative bodies of government. I expect to see that if the constitution passes.

Before it's voted on, I expect that it would be best to have a discussion period first. So when will be posted publicly?

Parakka Northland

Mugwop can burn I'm joining a raider region

Mugwop wrote:Make it into a dispatch. I like a lot of this.

If the definition of a citizen is the same one I saw a while back in the copy of the constitution, then it's a really bad one. I'm not gonna go into details about it as the copy of the constitution has not been made public, but when it becomes so, I will share an entire list I made of each and every section that I found loopholes and inefficiencies.

I have literally copied what I said in here https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=761344 no point in typing it all up again.

New Bacon wrote:Next! There needs to be a clear reason on what you define citizenship. [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka[/nation].

Have you not been reading the RMB lately? And the issues we have had regarding regional legislation protection in relation to citizenship. I think that is reason enough to propose legislation changes. Equally since when in this region has there ever a requirement to have a firm reason to propose legislation?

Civilisunio

New Bacon wrote:I'm also proposing a bill on citizenship. Also before I finish this constitution I would like to see interactive legislative bodies of government. I expect to see that if the constitution passes.

I'm with [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] on this one, it needs to be discussed with the rest of the region first before you simply put your proposal up for the vote. Not to mention it would be a massive abuse of power for any officer with poll authority to simple post a poll about there ideas without publishing them first, when the rest of the region cant do that.

Parakka Northland wrote:I'm with [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] on this one, it needs to be discussed with the rest of the region first before you simply put your proposal up for the vote. Not to mention it would be a massive abuse of power for any officer with poll authority to simple post a poll about there ideas without publishing them first, when the rest of the region cant do that.

Mugwop wrote:Before it's voted on, I expect that it would be best to have a discussion period first. So when will be posted publicly?

I will post it publicly when I'm done with it and when it gets to second stage. It's only a draft because it has not been voted on. The constitution also has a citizenship clause. I did not say I was going to put a poll up. Please do not assume that I was going to propose something and put a poll up. I don't work like that. The constitution is the same way there are stages in viewing the constitution. Only officials can view the constitution because all the officials have not confirmed it yet. Same as this proposal. Viewed by officers and then the public. Once the public confirms then it will be up for vote. I have a process.

Barishmacht

Also [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka[/nation], when the constitution is voted on, then this proposal will be voted to be repealed. Because laws shouldn't contradict with the constitutional clause on citizenship.

Parakka Northland wrote:I have literally copied what I said in here https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=761344 no point in typing it all up again.

Have you not been reading the RMB lately? And the issues we have had regarding regional legislation protection in relation to citizenship. I think that is reason enough to propose legislation changes. Equally since when in this region has there ever a requirement to have a firm reason to propose legislation?

I cannot read 1,000 messages everyday. I'm not in all of the time. There is no visible legislature.

Alistia, Barishmacht, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:Also [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] and [nation=short]parakka[/nation], when the constitution is voted on, then this proposal will be voted to be repealed. Because laws shouldn't contradict with the constitutional clause on citizenship.

In theory as my proposal has been made and can be debated / voted on. There's no reason not to put it to the vote and if it passes change your part of the constitution in accordance

New Bacon wrote:I cannot read 1,000 messages everyday. I'm not in all of the time. There is no visible legislature.

Yeah sorry about that, I was tired when I made that post and it was a bit unfair in places, again sorry. In terms of the legislator we have the house of Lords and parliament, but it's never used as it should be in the region and I don't think a lot of people understand how it's meant to work (me included) as it doesn't have any correlation to the current government / judicial structure that is in place at present.

New Bacon

Parakka Northland wrote:I have literally copied what I said in here https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=761344 no point in typing it all up again.

Have you not been reading the RMB lately? And the issues we have had regarding regional legislation protection in relation to citizenship. I think that is reason enough to propose legislation changes. Equally since when in this region has there ever a requirement to have a firm reason to propose legislation?

I believe we don't have the man power (Active Population) to continue with your plan which is basically a congress mimic. Currently we are having trouble filling 3 judicial seats, and now you want to add more government positions? That is completely insane. We couldn't be able to handle that. Every active nation would have to be in government and then some that have 2 positions. It is just not going to work.

New Bacon, Viva Italia, Aratain

Civilisunio wrote:I believe we don't have the man power (Active Population) to continue with your plan which is basically a congress mimic. Currently we are having trouble filling 3 judicial seats, and now you want to add more government positions? That is completely insane. We couldn't be able to handle that. Every active nation would have to be in government and then some that have 2 positions. It is just not going to work.

Things would be adjusted, to account for the changes. Equally keep in mind that we had 5 people for the last election to the judicial council. In addition if we had a citizen act then only nations who class as citizens would be part of the "parliament" branch and then a minimum of 3 nations would make up the committee. As such if we were to look at the last election where we had 5 people run for 2 seats, meaning 3 people miss out, in this scenario they could have gone on to the legislative committee. Thus no one would have to do double duty and would ensure that all region laws were of the same calabria and where scrutinised. It certainly would be an improvement on our current system.

Black hawks have raided forest region....

New Bacon, Malcholm

New Bacon wrote:I will post it publicly when I'm done with it and when it gets to second stage. It's only a draft because it has not been voted on. The constitution also has a citizenship clause. I did not say I was going to put a poll up. Please do not assume that I was going to propose something and put a poll up. I don't work like that. The constitution is the same way there are stages in viewing the constitution. Only officials can view the constitution because all the officials have not confirmed it yet. Same as this proposal. Viewed by officers and then the public. Once the public confirms then it will be up for vote. I have a process.

Alright well that's good, but the question remains of when will it be public?

I'm not trying to pressure you, just trying to see if there's a timeline for it.

New Bacon

Parakka Northland wrote:As it shouldn't make a difference regarding succession then ill volunteer to have my seat up for election next month. Though in future you might want to make a note of when each seat is due for election and then make the candidates aware of that so they know when their seat is next up (as it would save a lot of hassle if that makes sense)

Looking at the poll again option for 4 seats didn't even get a vote. So as such it would seem completely ludicrous to even add one seat. So either we stick with 3 seats as voted for or we go back to 5 seats (though that would require yet another vote and more wasted time)Whilst its nice to see you back saying that you had a dumb adventure in Solar Alliance which is my region by the way is kinda insulting (im aware you might not have meant it to come across like that but thought i should point it out)

It didn't get a vote because the people who voted for it switched to 5 to try and stop 3 (myself included in that group).

Malcholm

I have simple thoughts on citizenship.

Citizens should just be those with their main nations in the region, or those with their wa's in the region that have their main nation revealed publicly.

Puppets or nations with intent of harm, secrecy or military action/coups aren't citizens.

Alistia wrote:I have simple thoughts on citizenship.

Citizens should just be those with their main nations in the region, or those with their wa's in the region that have their main nation revealed publicly.

Puppets or nations with intent of harm, secrecy or military action/coups aren't citizens.

Yeah but someone can still bring a non-WA puppet in here and say that they are new and that this is their main nation.

Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:I have simple thoughts on citizenship.

Citizens should just be those with their main nations in the region, or those with their wa's in the region that have their main nation revealed publicly.

Puppets or nations with intent of harm, secrecy or military action/coups aren't citizens.

plus also anyone who is trusted and out with the battle guard or whatever is automatically not a citizen and please dont use the argument "we can judge each case on a case by case bases" as that leaves things very much open to interpretation and will only cause problems down the road. At least my idea did have different levels, im sure i mentioned something about a list being created of those who do and dont meat the criteria for citizenship (if i didnt my bad) but that would tell everyone who in the region is and is not a citizen

Mugwop wrote:Yeah but someone can still bring a non-WA puppet in here and say that they are new and that this is their main nation.

they could, but if they went through all that work to hide their past then they would obviously have a plan to do something in the region, and we would kick them when that time comes.

Parakka Northland wrote:plus also anyone who is trusted and out with the battle guard or whatever is automatically not a citizen

where did you get that from?

Alistia wrote:they could, but if they went through all that work to hide their past then they would obviously have a plan to do something in the region, and we would kick them when that time comes.

where did you get that from?

From your previous post, it's how it came across

Alistia wrote:I have simple thoughts on citizenship.

Citizens should just be those with their main nations in the region, or those with their wa's in the region that have their main nation revealed publicly.

Puppets or nations with intent of harm, secrecy or military action/coups aren't citizens.

The above basically translates to, if you don't have your WA nation here then your not a citizen.

Parakka Northland wrote:From your previous post, it's how it came across

The above basically translates to, if you don't have your WA nation here then your not a citizen.

Alistia proposal does not sound reasonable.Banning puppets from having citizenship is completely ridiculous and would lead to the region having much less actual citizens

Parakka Northland

My Clause in the constitution has a clear and seamless way to get citizenship for you and your puppets. We dont need any citizenship laws it is in the constitution so just move on from the issue. Capiche?

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Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Civilisunio wrote:My Clause in the constitution has a clear and seamless way to get citizenship for you and your puppets. We dont need any citizenship laws it is in the constitution so just move on from the issue. Capiche?

Afraid not, we don't have a constitution.... yes one is in the pipeline but it's been that way for the last month odd. So we can still vote on my proposition for citizenship right as there is no legal reason why we can't. Plus even if we did have a constitution which covered it we could still vote to amend it. So again there's no reason why not to vote on it. [B]I have requested a poll to be posted and I would like the government to act on my request, otherwise I will request that the Emperor makes the poll and bring a case against the government for denying my request without any solid legal reason.

Civilisunio

Good morning.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Alpha Wolf wrote:Good morning.

Good evening

Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:Good evening

How you guys doing?

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:Afraid not, we don't have a constitution.... yes one is in the pipeline but it's been that way for the last month odd. So we can still vote on my proposition for citizenship right as there is no legal reason why we can't. Plus even if we did have a constitution which covered it we could still vote to amend it. So again there's no reason why not to vote on it. [B]I have requested a poll to be posted and I would like the government to act on my request, otherwise I will request that the Emperor makes the poll and bring a case against the government for denying my request without any solid legal reason.

The government has the right to deny whatever they choose.

Parakka Northland

Alpha Wolf wrote:How you guys doing?

Good thank you just the usual debates

Civilisunio wrote:The government has the right to deny whatever they choose.

Yet as a member of the house of Parliament or whatever it is my right to propose legislation and have that legislation voted on by the rest of the houses. As such whilst the government is responsible for posting those polls they are not and I repeat not allowed to deny their creation as that would violate the role we all play as legislators and turn this government into a dictatorship which only picks and chooses legislation to put to the vote that directly suits their agenda.

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and [nation=short]Teurs[/nation] can you please look at the poll creation for me regarding my proposed citizenship found here https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=761344

Viva Italia wrote:Alistia proposal does not sound reasonable.Banning puppets from having citizenship is completely ridiculous and would lead to the region having much less actual citizens

i didnt even say that though?

what are yall smoking O.o

Malcholm

Alistia wrote:i didnt even say that though?

what are yall smoking O.o

You said puppets or nations with intent of harm arent citiziens

Parakka Northland wrote:Afraid not, we don't have a constitution.... yes one is in the pipeline but it's been that way for the last month odd. So we can still vote on my proposition for citizenship right as there is no legal reason why we can't. Plus even if we did have a constitution which covered it we could still vote to amend it. So again there's no reason why not to vote on it. [B]I have requested a poll to be posted and I would like the government to act on my request, otherwise I will request that the Emperor makes the poll and bring a case against the government for denying my request without any solid legal reason.

You're in the JB, forward your request directly to [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation].

Civilisunio wrote:My Clause in the constitution has a clear and seamless way to get citizenship for you and your puppets. We dont need any citizenship laws it is in the constitution so just move on from the issue. Capiche?

The thing is, and nothing personal here, your clause is horrible. If it's the same since I last saw it, first of all, it doesn't mention anything about the WA. In essence, it allows any 1 person to create a bunch of nations, unknowingly to us declare them all as citizens under the guise that each nation is operated by an independent person, and then allow this 1 person to manipulate our election process as such. Meanwhile, if my memory serves me well, the wait to actually get citizenship status is something ridiculously long, about a month and a half.

Now if it has been updated since, then you have my apologies, but if not, then it's terrible and needs a serious overhaul. The clause has no real mechanism whatsoever to sift through who is a genuine nation and who is an intruder, and makes actual genuine nations wait a very long time before they can participate in our region as citizen, a time in which they will get bored and leave for a better region.

That why, while I don't think Parakka proposal is perfect, I think it's far more superior than the clause I read in the constitution draft a while back.

Parakka Northland

[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] I would like to refer you to this posts

Parakka Northland wrote:Afraid not, we don't have a constitution.... yes one is in the pipeline but it's been that way for the last month odd. So we can still vote on my proposition for citizenship right as there is no legal reason why we can't. Plus even if we did have a constitution which covered it we could still vote to amend it. So again there's no reason why not to vote on it. [B]I have requested a poll to be posted and I would like the government to act on my request, otherwise I will request that the Emperor makes the poll and bring a case against the government for denying my request without any solid legal reason.

Parakka Northland wrote:Yet as a member of the house of Parliament or whatever it is my right to propose legislation and have that legislation voted on by the rest of the houses. As such whilst the government is responsible for posting those polls they are not and I repeat not allowed to deny their creation as that would violate the role we all play as legislators and turn this government into a dictatorship which only picks and chooses legislation to put to the vote that directly suits their agenda.

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and [nation=short]Teurs[/nation] can you please look at the poll creation for me regarding my proposed citizenship found here https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=761344

If a poll is not forthcoming I believe there is a case that needs to be looked in by the judicial branch

*sigh*

Apparantly, due to rising labor costs I was told to go home, halfway through my shift. This is going to be a terrible paycheck.

Gyuamno, Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] I would like to refer you to this posts

If a poll is not forthcoming I believe there is a case that needs to be looked in by the judicial branch

As there is no current date of when a constitution will be finished (it's been months), we should look to rectify the problem in the meantime. A very fundamental piece is missing in this region, what does it mean to be a citizen? This will also enable us to understand who and who is not covered by certain laws.

I support [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation]'s notion of proposing a bill that would define citizenship as the constitution can still be months away from completion.

If you are to propose your bill, ensure there is a section that clearly states that the law will be void after the establishment of the constitution.

Parakka Northland

The Immortal Elysium wrote:*sigh*

Apparantly, due to rising labor costs I was told to go home, halfway through my shift. This is going to be a terrible paycheck.

I go back to work Friday. Seems silly to have sent you home right on the spot.

Gyuamno wrote:I go back to work Friday. Seems silly to have sent you home right on the spot.

We weren't busy enough to keep me there.

And I only have 1 day this week to work.

Gyuamno, Civilisunio

The Immortal Elysium wrote:We weren't busy enough to keep me there.

And I only have 1 day this week to work.

Are yoy getting laid off?

Civilisunio wrote:Are yoy getting laid off?

No...just getting less hours.

Civilisunio

The Immortal Elysium wrote:We weren't busy enough to keep me there.

And I only have 1 day this week to work.

Open up shop next to them and run them out of business.

Malcholm

Gyuamno wrote:Open up shop next to them and run them out of business.

Don't think that's going to happen.

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