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Formidable Opponent wrote:Ahhhh now we're getting somewhere!

I believe in the fundamental rights for nations to govern themselves as they see fit, equal Opportunity for all nations to rise above the pack and become exceptional. I'm also a constitutionalist, meaning I would support a constitution exactly as it's written, and never let my bias get in the way, unless I fundamentally disagree with a part of it, in which case I would abstain and propose an amendment.

In the real world, I have been involved in politics for 10 years, and even proposed a piece of state legislation which eventually got passed (which I won't mention here because you would learn my name). I am well known in my real life circles as a person who has principles and will call out people on whatever side of the political isle when they are - ...well, full of sh*t - regardless of whether that particular lie benefits me or not.

If elected, I plan to uphold these values forever and never let personal vendettas over-ride my principles. I also belong to our military arm and am happy to serve in the name of this region.

Also, I am a rather good writer, and would be an excellent choice, both for Judicial decisions, and for proposing legislation (as a sovereign nation, never letting my position give influence to the vote)

I can promise you this. If you elect a Justice Trump, this region will become one of the most organized, Democratic and fair Monarchies in the history of Nationstates.

We will make TMC Strong again

We will make TMC Proud again

We will make TMC Safe again

We will make TMC GREAT again!

Imperator Cæʃar Divi Filivs Donaldvs Trvmpvs

Your future Justice

Salve! Loquerisne linguam latinam?

Sadaria wrote:Salve! Loquerisne linguam latinam?

Sic, paululum linguae Latinae dico, but not as much as Norwegian, which I am fluent in, or Russian and German, which I am passable in

Malcholm

Congratulations Teurs on winning WA Delegate! I was more than happy to overlook your Socialist views to endorse you, knowing you'd do the job well!

Alistia

so now teurs is Delegate...So that means another judicial seat is up for election.

Parakka Northland

Post by Alistia suppressed by New Bacon.

Alistia

I have evidence that the nuc guy wanting to be WAD wanta to coup the region.

http://m.imgur.com/a/kdL0H

Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:I have evidence that the nuc guy wanting to be WAD wanta to coup the region.

http://m.imgur.com/a/kdL0H

Was he talking to gyuamno or teurs? Because he was talking to a lunar councillor.

Alistia, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:I have evidence that the nuc guy wanting to be WAD wanta to coup the region.

http://m.imgur.com/a/kdL0H

Well if this is true they should be banjected.

Alistia, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:I have evidence that the nuc guy wanting to be WAD wanta to coup the region.

http://m.imgur.com/a/kdL0H

I'm sure [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] will now upload the evidence I have submitted to him which shows that [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] was asking for advice on how to stage a coup. I have always been fairly neutral here, and therefore have no strong views on who ought to govern the region, but this was clearly either an attempt to organise a coup against the government, which was then abandoned in return for favour with Alistia, or an elaborate lie to entrap me, which is a crime in itself.

Post by Nucerea suppressed by Malcholm.

Nucerea

I have further evidence which I will submit now which demonstrates that I was trying to convince him to do what he wanted via our constitution, and not by a coup attempt which he clearly had designs on.

Nucerea wrote:I'm sure [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] will now upload the evidence I have submitted to him which shows that [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] was asking for advice on how to stage a coup. I have always been fairly neutral here, and therefore have no strong views on who ought to govern the region, but this was clearly either an attempt to organise a coup against the government, which was then abandoned in return for favour with Alistia, or an elaborate lie to entrap me, which is a crime in itself.

I would support bringing a case against both of you to the Lunar Council once we have all the evidence

Parakka Northland

Viva Italia wrote:Well if this is true they should be banjected.

The message was sent, I don't deny that, but at [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]'s request, and there was a coup attempt, lead by [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], in which case there's a list of people you'll have to banject, which I can provide.

Viva Italia wrote:I would support bringing a case against both of you to the Lunar Council once we have all the evidence

Well you'll need to appoint two new members of the Lunar Council, because one is accused, and the other is the WA delegate.

Post by Nucerea suppressed by New Bacon.

Nucerea

Here's the evidence of me trying to convince [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] not to overthrow the government, and to do what he wanted to do via legal and constitutional means. If he was set up to this by [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] I'd like them both to be tried, one for conspiracy, the other for entrapment and misconduct in office.

http://i.imgur.com/uwVvd1c.png

Let's hold elections then for LC. I'd like to get to the bottom of this asap.

Hang on....what's happening with Gyuamno and whatnot?

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Nucerea wrote:Here's the evidence of me trying to convince [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] not to overthrow the government, and to do what he wanted to do via legal and constitutional means. If he was set up to this by [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] I'd like them both to be tried, one for conspiracy, the other for entrapment and misconduct in office.

http://i.imgur.com/uwVvd1c.png

Interesting. These are some serious accusations to both [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] and [nation=short]Alistia[/nation]. If convicted they will definitely lose their position in the goverment, maybe even be banned for conspiracy against the region. And you say they are not the only two involved? Who else?

Viva Italia

So it looks like Parakka was right.I call for a complete investigation of Sanctine,Immortal Elysium and Sadaria as these nations arrived around the same time as the two coup-plotters

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:Interesting. These are some serious accusations to both [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] and [nation=short]Alistia[/nation]. If convicted they will definitely lose their position in the goverment, maybe even be banned for conspiracy against the region. And you say they are not the only two involved? Who else?

If this is true we are looking at the conviction of two of the highest ranking officers in the region and another citizen.

Barishmacht, Parakka Northland

Viva Italia wants to investigate me? Man...do I at least get a cookie?

Malcholm

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Viva Italia wants to investigate me? Man...do I at least get a cookie?

Anyone found innocent will be given a plate of fresh cookies, made by me.

But they'll be Oatmeal Raisin, so you won't eat them anyway!

Sanctine

Formidable Opponent wrote:Anyone found innocent will be given a plate of fresh cookies, made by me.

But they'll be Oatmeal Raisin, so you won't eat them anyway!

Jokes on you! I like oatmeal raisin!

Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:And you say they are not the only two involved? Who else?

Will I have immunity from prosecution?

Nucerea wrote:Will I have immunity from prosecution?

Well if what you are saying is true then it looks like [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] was trying to instigate you into his coup. A manipulated victim cannot be prosecuted.

Nucerea

Nucerea wrote:Will I have immunity from prosecution?

That would be likely.

Nucerea

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Viva Italia wants to investigate me? Man...do I at least get a cookie?

Yes as you came around the same time as the nations in question.I am not accusing you but we must investigate all nations that could be involved

Parakka Northland

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Barishmacht wrote:If we just start throwing accusations around and saying "To the guillotine!" then we effectively ruin the entire judicial process. Let me say what I know.

1. Im not sure if a reason was stated at some point (feel free to fill me in) but the nations who have come in recently have all decided to endorse Gyuamno and the delegacy has bounced back and forth between like 3 nations. (They also unendorsed him after but he still remains with 1 or 2 new nations endorsing him)

2. Nucerea should definitely tell us more about his conspiracy.

3. Mugwop seems a little fast on the trigger.

4. Nucerea was accused by Alistia of planning a coup. Then Nucerea comes up saying that Gyuamno is trying to create a coup himself and he was trying to stop him.

We really can't move forward without Gyuamno

Barishmacht

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Viva Italia wrote:We really can't move forward without Gyuamno

If there is so much conspiracy surrounding this whole delegacy then we might as well have someone we can trust at the moment 100% than someone who we cant. (No offense Gyuamno)

Parakka Northland, Viva Italia

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Viva Italia wrote:We really can't move forward without Gyuamno

Viva I would like it to be put in your newspaper as well as a special report.

Barishmacht wrote:If there is so much conspiracy surrounding this whole delegacy then we might as well have someone we can trust at the moment 100% than someone who we cant. (No offense Gyuamno)

Indeed.I believe Teurs is someone we can trust

Barishmacht

Gyuamno wrote:Viva I would like it to be put in your newspaper as well as a special report.

Okay.I will make a special report today and on Sunday when the weekly news comes out I will include whatever info we have.

Barishmacht wrote:If we just start throwing accusations around and saying "To the guillotine!" then we effectively ruin the entire judicial process. Let me say what I know.

1. Im not sure if a reason was stated at some point (feel free to fill me in) but the nations who have come in recently have all decided to endorse Gyuamno and the delegacy has bounced back and forth between like 3 nations. (They also unendorsed him after but he still remains with 1 or 2 new nations endorsing him)

2. Nucerea should definitely tell us more about his conspiracy.

3. Mugwop seems a little fast on the trigger.

4. Nucerea was accused by Alistia of planning a coup. Then Nucerea comes up saying that Gyuamno is trying to create a coup himself and he was trying to stop him.

These are some good observations, also by all means I do not think either [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] or [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] should be prosecuted before we have solid evidence of wrong doing. I for one hope they will be in the clear, but we must consider the alternative as well and be prepared.

So if [nation=short]Nucerea[/nation] has information on the subject I hope he can shed light on the matter about who else was conspiring.

Parakka Northland

Intermission!

I would like to say that Viva did say if I will actually get a cookie.

Also, I would like to say I did not endorse Gyuamno.

Alright, carry on.

Malcholm, Barishmacht

Formidable Opponent wrote:Sic, paululum linguae Latinae dico, but not as much as Norwegian, which I am fluent in, or Russian and German, which I am passable in

Optime! Also what the hell is going on...

The Immortal Elysium wrote:Intermission!

I would like to say that Viva did say if I will actually get a cookie.

Also, I would like to say I did not endorse Gyuamno.

Alright, carry on.

I know however it makes sense to investigate the nations that came when the nations involved came

But do I get a cookie!?!?!?

Barishmacht

Barishmacht wrote:4. Nucerea was accused by Alistia of planning a coup. Then Nucerea comes up saying that Gyuamno is trying to create a coup himself and he was trying to stop him.

Yes, and I've provided you with the evidence of that. I gave him advice initially, and then said he didn't have to upset the constitutional order of the region to gain a leadership position.

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The Immortal Elysium wrote:But do I get a cookie!?!?!?

Yeah, I want one too!

Nucerea wrote:Yes, and I've provided you with the evidence of that. I gave him advice initially, and then said he didn't have to upset the constitutional order of the region to gain a leadership position.

Who was helping in the coup?

Barishmacht wrote:You gave us one message. There is clearly more to that conversation.

That is true. There is more to this

[nation=short]Nucerea[/nation] you stated that [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] is implicated in this, and that there are others. Who are they and why would they do this?

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Post self-deleted by Gyuamno.

Post self-deleted by Barishmacht.

Mugwop wrote:These are some good observations, also by all means I do not think either [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] or [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] should be prosecuted before we have solid evidence of wrong doing. I for one hope they will be in the clear, but we must consider the alternative as well and be prepared.

So if [nation=short]Nucerea[/nation] has information on the subject I hope he can shed light on the matter about who else was conspiring.

Here are all the messages I have from [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] which implicate him in the coup, the rest have unfortunately been deleted automatically as my inbox has exceeded 20.

http://i.imgur.com/k34u8tr.png

I think that's fairly damning, no? I then sent the message explaining how [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] could have control of the region using legal and constitutional means. I shall provide the details of everyone else implicated in this attempt once I have a guarantee of immunity.

As I said, either this was a set-up, or an actual attempted coup. If it's the latter, then if you're going to co-opt someone into an illegal attempt against the government, [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], at least refrain from informing on them. No honour among thieves I suppose.

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Gyuamno wrote:All of those are asking what YOU would do. At no point did I suggest anything.

That's how you structure a sentence when asking for advice. What would you suggest *I* do?

Nucerea wrote:Here are all the messages I have from [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] which implicate him in the coup, the rest have unfortunately been deleted automatically as my inbox has exceeded 20.

http://i.imgur.com/k34u8tr.png

I think that's fairly damning, no? I then sent the message explaining how [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] could have control of the region using legal and constitutional means. I shall provide the details of everyone else implicated in this attempt once I have a guarantee of immunity.

As I said, either this was a set-up, or an actual attempted coup. If it's the latter, then if you're going to co-opt someone into an illegal attempt against the government, [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], at least refrain from informing on them. No honour among thieves I suppose.

Okay, so that's [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]. What about the others?

Mugwop wrote:Okay, so that's [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]. What about the others?

I need a guarantee of immunity,

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Nucerea wrote:I need a guarantee of immunity,

For whom exactly?

Barishmacht wrote:We will not guarantee a SINGLE person immunity until we get to the bottom of this.

Who even are you?

Civilisunio

Mugwop wrote:For whom exactly?

Myself, otherwise why would I supply the information?

Nucerea wrote:I need a guarantee of immunity,

How do we know that you aren't lying?

Mugwop wrote:That is true. There is more to this

[nation=short]Nucerea[/nation] you stated that [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] is implicated in this, and that there are others. Who are they and why would they do this?

I was exploring regional RBMs and I saw a post about [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] and overthrowing the govt. I'll try and find it if I can.

Nucerea wrote:Who even are you?

The grand duke. Don't dig yourself in it a larger hole. I suggest you compile a response and put it into a dispatch so we have a couple response that the JB can quickly refer to.

Viva Italia wrote:How do we know that you aren't lying?

About what I've already said? Because I've supplied screenshots. About what I information I could supply? I have evidence for that too.

Nucerea wrote:About what I've already said? Because I've supplied screenshots. About what I information I could supply? I have evidence for that too.

Okay.If you supply the evidence we will give immunity

Nucerea

Wait, am I involved in this?

Viva Italia wrote:How do we know that you aren't lying?

Well for now even if they are not hard proven facts, we can still settle with just claims and follow the leads.

Sadaria wrote:I was exploring regional RBMs and I saw a post about [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] and overthrowing the govt. I'll try and find it if I can.

Interesting, please do. And do tell us if you know anyone else involved.

Sadaria wrote:Wait, am I involved in this?

Nobody is out so at this point you are but you dont need to worry unless you have something to say.

Sadaria wrote:Wait, am I involved in this?

Currently no,however you may come under investigation because of the timing of your move here

Civilisunio wrote:The grand duke. Don't dig yourself in it a larger hole. I suggest you compile a response and put it into a dispatch so we have a couple response that the JB can quickly refer to.

A bigger hole? Are you not the disgraced former delegate?

I've given my evidence. I'm clearly partly at fault, but a pawn in a larger game. My conscience is clear.

Civilisunio

Nucerea wrote:Myself, otherwise why would I supply the information?

So are you saying that the information you have implicates you?

Mugwop wrote:So are you saying that the information you have implicates you?

Not any further than I am already. The point is, I might be prosecuted anyway, so why would my cause be advanced by supplying more information?

Nucerea wrote:A bigger hole? Are you not the disgraced former delegate?

I've given my evidence. I'm clearly partly at fault, but a pawn in a larger game. My conscience is clear.

Give us the evidence please

Truxol

Nucerea wrote:Not any further than I am already. The point is, I might be prosecuted anyway, so why would my cause be advanced by supplying more information?

Are you trying to only help yourself or the region?

Truxol, Sanctine

Viva Italia wrote:Currently no,however you may come under investigation because of the timing of your move here

Ok that's fair...I deleted my inbox because I couldn't receive telegrams and I didn't know there was an archive folder so don't depend on me for information...

Nucerea wrote:Not any further than I am already. The point is, I might be prosecuted anyway, so why would my cause be advanced by supplying more information?

It means that we can punish fellow revolutionaries

Mugwop wrote:Well for now even if they are not hard proven facts, we can still settle with just claims and follow the leads.

Interesting, please do. And do tell us if you know anyone else involved.

I'll see what I can dredge up from my search history...

Barishmacht wrote:Are you trying to only help yourself or the region?

Well the region hasn't treated me that well tbh

Sadaria wrote:Ok that's fair...I deleted my inbox because I couldn't receive telegrams and I didn't know there was an archive folder so don't depend on me for information...

I don't think you,elysium or sanctine have anything to do with it however we must investigate

Nucerea wrote:Well the region hasn't treated me that well tbh

Let's not get mean here...keep it civil dude.

I've been accused of being part of a raiding party from Kaiserreich and elsewhere, I've been asked to participate in a coup, and then informed on

Nucerea wrote:A bigger hole? Are you not the disgraced former delegate?

I've given my evidence. I'm clearly partly at fault, but a pawn in a larger game. My conscience is clear.

I am not disgraced. I just did something that was for a jb case but nobody likes it. At least I am not attempting a coup'. You have some real nerve to talk to me like that.

Parakka Northland

Viva Italia wrote:I don't think you,elysium or sanctine have anything to do with it however we must investigate

No problem...I you need to ask me anything, I'll be honest.

Nucerea wrote:I've been accused of being part of a raiding party from Kaiserreich and elsewhere, I've been asked to participate in a coup, and then informed on

Politics and paranoia, nothing more.

Nucerea

Nucerea wrote:Here's the evidence of me trying to convince [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] not to overthrow the government, and to do what he wanted to do via legal and constitutional means. If he was set up to this by [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] I'd like them both to be tried, one for conspiracy, the other for entrapment and misconduct in office.

http://i.imgur.com/uwVvd1c.png

Please by all means investigate me.

Nucerea wrote:I've been accused of being part of a raiding party from Kaiserreich and elsewhere, I've been asked to participate in a coup, and then informed on

Just give us info and we will give you immunity

Civilisunio wrote:I am not disgraced. I just did something that was for a jb case but nobody likes it. At least I am not attempting a coup'. You have some real nerve to talk to me like that.

You were kicked out of the region by Alistia, looking at the records. But let's see if your name remains untarnished once I've handed over my evidence.

Civilisunio

Question: do you guys do RP?

Parakka Northland

Nucerea wrote:You were kicked out of the region by Alistia, looking at the records. But let's see if your name remains untarnished once I've handed over my evidence.

What evidence? Evidence against me? I have only ever talked to you and that was asking for your endorsement.

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Nucerea wrote:You were kicked out of the region by Alistia, looking at the records. But let's see if your name remains untarnished once I've handed over my evidence.

So Civ was involved?Just give the evidence already

Parakka Northland, Sadaria

Barishmacht wrote:A little yeah. We have (or used to have idk anymore) embassies with RP regions

According to Forest, our neighbours Solar Alliance are all the rage with RP

Parakka Northland

Viva Italia wrote:So Civ was involved?Just give the evidence already

Once I can be sure that I do have immunity, so where most of the leadership agree, I will.

Sorry can I be updated on this trial thing?

Barishmacht wrote:A little yeah. We have (or used to have idk anymore) embassies with RP regions

I'd be happy to start it up again if you want me to direct RPs. I have some experience with writing...I'm a professsional author, that sort of thing. After this whole thing is resolved of course.

Why else did he agree to go on a raid and then keeping joining the WA here?

Nucerea wrote:Why else did he agree to go on a raid and then keeping joining the WA here?

Well a lot of us did that because we thought the region was in danger.

Sadaria wrote:Well a lot of us did that because we thought the region was in danger.

And it was, as it turns out.

Nucerea wrote:Once I can be sure that I do have immunity, so where most of the leadership agree, I will.

Hand over the evidence and you will be given immunity

But then of course, if someone comes to you with plans for a coup, and they have some good ideas, and you're new to the region and don't have any affinity with the current government, what would you do? I eventually decided to try and convince him to do it legally, at which point he apparently changed his mind and informed on me to Alistia.

Nucerea wrote:Not any further than I am already. The point is, I might be prosecuted anyway, so why would my cause be advanced by supplying more information?

Prosecuted is different from investigated.

You will probably be investigated, and so will [nation=short]Alistia[/nation], [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] and few others I believe, but no one will be prosecuted until there is evidence to suggest willful wrongdoings by attempting to instigate a coup.

Now from the information you have given, it looks like [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] was the one trying to use you to become the delegate and launch a coup. If that's the case, you are a victim in this situation, not someone to be prosecuted. However, what you have given us does not prove this case, because we lack the full picture. The truth is, the only one that can give you immunity is yourself, by virtue of your honest statement.

That's why, for your sake more than others, you need to help us build the full picture against the conspirators. If we know who else is involved, we can discern who's the criminal, who's the bystander, and who's the victim.

Nucerea, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia, Sanctine

Nucerea wrote:But then of course, if someone comes to you with plans for a coup, and they have some good ideas, and you're new to the region and don't have any affinity with the current government, what would you do? I eventually decided to try and convince him to do it legally, at which point he apparently changed his mind and informed on me to Alistia.

I want to know everyone who is implied and what evidence you have

Gyu didnt do anything, he was approached about doing a coup and has been playing with it so get screens of their senr telegrams

Truxol

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