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Region: The Mystical Council
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Naumadal
Order hasn't been restored, just wait till fort comes back on he will re affirm his stance on the poll time and such.
we need to draft what constitutes as emergency powers so the emperor cant abuse them anymore
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
Indeed. The decree stands. We have always given nations at least 3-4 days voting time in elections and legislation in the past.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I say that in this emergency case, the 2 day poll, at least for the prime minister, the most important position, your 3-4 day poll can be tweaked. But to have one set rule for many different scenarios is unwise.
Civilisunio
No we haven't, most polls have always been 2-3 days, except when you make them 7+ days for constitutional votes etc.
We agreed yesterday about 3 day poll times, but think that it should be DEMOCRATICALLY Passed and AFTER the govt. is established.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
[nation=short]new_bacon[/nation] as a prime minister candidate i wish to know your position on the talked about issues.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Civilisunio
The idea was entirely Lampar's. I just agreed to support him bringing it up for a vote.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
Such a law hasn't been passed democratically and I have seen one too many short polls recently potentially disenfranchising voters. Therefore, I did what needed to be done. This is not that big a deal. I made concessions for your revolution now it's my turn to make one strong position. This is not tyranny. I have solidified - for the voters of our region - the right to have a decent amount of time to respond to the most important polls our region has faced since the constitutional vote. It is the decent, fair, and proper thing to do. We have a large population here and everyone has different schedules and stuff. If this government isn't willing to grant the people just one extra day to cast their ballots, I cannot help but think what other things this government is going to do in the name of "efficiency".
My emergency authority as Monarch is also a check on government power within this new system and that is how I intend to use it.
Parakka Northland
Did you even ask the people if they want a longer voting period though?
All of these issues we have I will be cleaning up. Also we need to clean up this voter mess that's going on. I think our current government needs work. Most of all. I will be working with the other officers IF I become prime minister.
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
I've heard from some of them on the RMB. And it is something that's been bothering me. Simple voting rules need to be established prior to holding elections otherwise there is no point in electing anybody or even having a government. And if you can make that case, you have an emergency situation.
It's also more transparent to do it that way. A two day poll looks like the government is trying to sneak something by the region without being noticed.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
but i am not trying to be sneaky. I am trying to bring back democracy.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Then give the people a chance to voice their opinions! :)
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
No one has approached me about lengthening the poll so I never though to fix it.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
I kinda don't like this voting system because I don't know who is actually voting I me or Plugo. Like the non-wa people's votes are hidden and that's not right. The information should be released by telegram or something to let people know what's going on.
Parakka Northland
Parakka was confused about prime minister being WAD.
Mugwop and you are the only ones who have voiced a call for longer poll time.
Its not hidden lmao.
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
-_- okayy
#TheHousesOfLordsAndCommonsDispatch
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=682989
Forestavia
Wait do WA votes count for like 2 or are all votes the same?
I think all the same
New Bacon, Plugo
Thanks for the reference
Plugo, Civilisunio
Hey why isn't my map Factbook up there?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio
I will post it now.
Civilisunio
Post self-deleted by Plugo.
it is? its in the wfe called 'regional map'
Alistia
We need to know for certain. Check with the rest of the temporary government and get back to us.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
I also want info on the FRAUD Act. Is there a link to the poll? Did the 11-member Lunar Council vote? Did the revolutionary government bring it in? There is no information anywhere. I want to know how this was made law.
I took a lot of heat today for my royal decree. Now I'm going to turn the tables. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, am I right?
Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
It was passed during the Coup de t'at by naumandal he was a dictator sonhe didnt need the approval, the act is pinned to the wfe.
Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Thank you.
*Pulls out Decree Parchment*
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio
Royal Decree 2.
Under the 38th Delegacy of [nation=short]Naumadal[/nation] an Executive Order was put into law. I hereby, uphold the Executive Order issued by our region's 38th Delegate known as the FRAUD Act. I believe the FRAUD Act was and is a sincere attempt to standardize voting rules in The Mystical Council for the purpose of attaining regional stability during our region's transitional government period.
9/14/2016
- [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] Monarch of The Mystical Council
- Emperor Troublesolver (RP purposes)
Republic Of Greater Cuba
* 39th Delegacy - ahem
Republic Of Greater Cuba
I do sincerely hope I have not created a monster with idea I did not imagine would actually win at the time I started to write it down.
Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
You probably have. Every government system has a little monster in it, you know. Right now, I'm just trying to get our voting system down pat before that poll closes. I don't want any questions or loopholes or ambiguities.
We really should have voted on the Fraud Act before we started holding elections. But since we didn't I am forced to sort of sign Naumadal's illegal Executive Order into law, for the sake of compromise and stability. And it is a good-looking document, I have to admit.
Hopefully, someone gets back to us within 20 hours about how many votes WA members get otherwise I might have to issue another decree. :P
*Shudders*
In all seriousness though, if the voting process isn't clear to everyone then there is going to be more confusion and we'll be right back where we started a week ago. I'm really trying to prevent another round of:
"I thought WA were worth 2 votes!"
"How come I can't vote in the poll?"
"Why are the polls so short?"
We can't afford to rehash all that again. These kinds of questions have to come to an end before the end of this poll. Our government needs to show leadership and unity in this. I hope that they see I'm trying to help them out. I really don't want to have to reinstate my emergency government.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
Hey
Welcome to The Mystical Council!
If you like controversy, you came to the right place! ;)
I am the founder but this is my main nation. We are in the process of a government transition right now.
Amacha, Republic Of Greater Cuba
Just end the WA nations only voting thing, technically this thing going on is a form of segregation
Also now that I realize it I probably have been one of the most "dark" politicians here
http://img08.deviantart.net/2a1a/i/2007/350/3/2/television_rules_the_nation_by_vhm_alex.jpg
http://pre14.deviantart.net/bfb8/th/pre/i/2006/182/5/0/no_more_by_vhm_alex.jpg
so there is my dark side in NS...
The one who rules from behind-the-scenes with much Machiavellian scheming, delegating much of his powers, and almost always has a hidden agenda or grand plan in mind
No its not, non wa members can still vote, and evrryone ive talked too likes the new system.
Yes all votes are equal
Forestavia
Can you point me to something specific that says that? Is there a link? Was there a vote or a poll? Whose idea was it?
Civilisunio
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=naumadal/detail=factbook/id=688663
Exotic Lemon
That one doesn't specify anything about the number of votes WA nations get compared to non-WA counterparts.
Civilisunio
Post self-deleted by Mugwop.
All voted are equal
Plugo
Well is there going to be a postion of Prime Minister in the region that is beside the position of the delegate?
If yes, all seems fair to me now. If not, and the delegate is the same as the prime minister. Then there needs to be a new better poll that includes all the candidates who put their name in the delegate section.
Exotic Lemon
Is there also a link?
Well it was discussed at one point that the votes shall be equal, their is no reason to make them higher, it just something ns put in for some people to feel like they can propose and make intwrnstion laws that don't actually go into effect.
Exotic Lemon
Delegate is not prime minister
Forestavia, Plugo
No but it was widely agreed. I am using my own emergency powers to say all votes count once
Not according to AU912's system.
Prime Minister (WA Delegate)
Powers: Executive, etc., can call for vote.
How selected / replaced: WA Endorsements or removed by Founder in an emergency
Parakka Northland
The 3rd Royal Decree.
Elections have begun without a solid foundation. I am therefore, put into an awkward position and have come to the conclusion that I must issue yet another decree. I truly hope this is my last for a good long while.
WA votes used to be worth 2 votes under the old system as well as under the Founder's Emergency Government. Today, that voting system is officially laid to rest.
From this point forward all votes cast by resident nations, who are eligible to vote, are equal.
9/15/2016
- [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] Monarch of The Mystical Council
- Emperor Troublesolver (RP purposes)
Dosh Semiw
So wait the poll is to replace me? Why am I not an option. I thought my title was viceroy anyway
I'm going to flip my lid.....
Parakka Northland
Well if AU912's system won, and the delegate is the prime minister, then the current poll must be struck down and immdiately be replaced with another one that includes everyone here https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=67808 who put their name under delegate or prime minister, since it's the same position.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Why? And Apparently their is a poll to replace me.
Well currently the poll is open only to WA members, which we should keep it so for the new poll that actually represent all the candidates. (some exceptions apply, such are Lampar's case)
Forestavia
Post by Forestavia suppressed by Plugo.
Done.
Royal Decree #4.
Poll for Prime Minister?/WA Delegate?/Wait Why are we voting for the Delegate?
New Bacon: Dosh Semiw, Republic of Greater Cuba, Anahuac Empire, New Bacon Special Operations Command, AU912 ANTICOM Expeditionary Force, Fezchia, and Mugwop.
Plugo: Barishmacht, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal, Teurs, New Mallow, and Emforia.
Forest that's 4 decrees within 2 days. You are letting the idea of a monarch get to your head or something.also do I have emergency powers or no?
What would you have me do? No one seems to know what's going on yet. I want the government to hold a meeting about AU912's framework and please get on the same page. This is too confusing for everyone.
If you feel the need to issue an Executive Order like Naumadal did go ahead. We're still in transition and we need leadership right now.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Can we try to harmonize these two things?
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=67808
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=689291
I say we stop and hold an emergency meeting tonight
Forestavia
The 4th Royal Decree.
It has been revealed that some nations define the term "Prime Minister" as "WA Delegate" while others define it as another position separate from the Delegacy.
I have deleted the poll to give the government a chance to redo the poll correctly. The poll should be established around clearer definitions, have a longer poll time, and nations should have an opportunity to reapply/apply for the position they intended to apply for.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=67808
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=689291
9/15/2016
- [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], Monarch of The Mystical Council
- Emperor Troublesolver (RP purposes)
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
I agree. Let's take a breather. The last couple of days have been really busy and our region has gone through a lot. Maybe if there are any details AU912 didn't include in the dispatch we can discuss them as well.
Forestavia's questions for the meeting:
Is the Delegate the Prime Minister?
Why are we holding elections for the Delegate when they are already elected by WA nations?
Do WA nations still have the freedom to endorse who they want?
If we are separating the role of Prime Minister and Delegate what will be their differences?
Powers and limitations for each office?
Civilisunio
Here: I added to the voter Fraud Act, it is just a suggestion.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=691204
Forestavia
I think we shall combine the prime minister and delegate as the prime minister according to au is like delegate. I agree we shouldn't hold elections just campaigns for delegate by candidates, WA members should be able to freely choose who that endorse and who they dont without discrimination and without being oppressed.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Will you be at the meeting tonight?
Civilisunio
Can i propose embassies with Tressnovice?
What time? I have football practice and school.
As far as I know you can. Do you have embassies authority?
Civilisunio
No.:/
As Exotic Lemon.
Ok. Then ask someone to approve it who does. See what they say.
Civilisunio
Correction - *ask
What?
Civilisunio
What are people asking me?
Alright, I'm signing off. I've got to get ready for work. I'll be back tonight sometime, hopefully.
Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
I will be on throughout the day
Me as Well. Been on the bus for about 15 mins about to school. Ill check up once and a while.:)
What time is the meeting tonight?
Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
Exotic Lemon
Let's try around 7-8 central time. But I an flexible
Civilisunio
Post by Plugo suppressed by Naumadal.
we renamed the titles, prime minister IS NOT WA DELEGATE.
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Exotic Lemon, Naumadal
my god why did you delete the fricking poll, if you would just read the pinned dispatch you would have seen the government titles, it seems like evryone here is illiterate or something.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=683620
Exotic Lemon, Rondaland
This was just a bad excuse for you to delete the 2 day poll so you can make the new polls so that the new govt takes 2+ weeks to be voted for.
The members here and the founder have so many questions that are anwsered if they just read the pinned dispatches..
You are confused about the government?
WOW!
Not like i made a dispatch with the government positions on it...
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=683620
Exotic Lemon, Rondaland
Post self-deleted by Amacha.
I'm on Eastern time so that would be fine with me.
Naumadal
he pulled a mugwop on you.
he deleted the poll without waiting for an answer to his questions.
and considering you are wa banned, its pretty dumb for them to think your running for delegate.
Exotic Lemon, Rondaland
Being in a region with illiterates is annoying but..
Exotic Lemon
Funny to repeat it.
MAN WHO KEEPS REMOVING THE MAP DISPATCH? IM NOT ON NS++ WHERE ITS BUILT IN, MAYBE.
Forest you need to take a break
I'm on the regular NS right now.
From these royal decrees and stuff, you are taking the constitutional out of constitutional monarchy
I'm not Forest
I know I meant to quote forest
New Bacon
Can you put the map dispatch up because someone keeps removing it.
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