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Region: The Mystical Council
I love the flag, Alistia! We are burning hot today! That is the flag the Volcanic Lords will be flying when basketball season starts. I am officially signed up.
Alistia, Wolflandil
I'm gonna quit NS soon. Tired of the game and it's boring really
Alistia
Shout-out to all of TMC for being probably one of my favorite regions ever, you guys, HRB, DEN when I was shortly in it when I first started then later got kicked out of for meeming their rmb. Lol. My communist buddies from back in the day, my fascist buddies from back in the day, my Exotic Lemon buddies from today, ya know. Peeps
The Fing Motherland, Alistia, Pyrosky, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Ultranationalist State, Aremnant
Goodbye fellow Fascist. It was neat to support your regime back in the day, farewell MEIN FÜHRER 😓/
Alistia, Pyrosky, Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Sorry to see you leave, but if this game is no longer entertaining then no point continuing it. Farewell
Lalucia, Alistia, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Terran Flux
I bought one of your cards so I can add it to my "Farewell" Collection
Alistia, Oakplumington, Terran Flux
Good luck with your future Terran Flux! It was good. It was fun. And I understand. I'll be honest... I have no idea why I'm still playing this game either! Haha. Something keeps pulling me back. Come back and visit if you ever decide to return.
Alistia, Ultranationalist State
Announcements!
- The full moon is tonight. I obviously made a mistake with the poll. But fear not! The Lunar Council symbolic figurehead election will begin tomorrow. In the event of a tie both (or more) candidates will win seats on the Lunar Council as there are five open spots.
- Speaking of open spots, Governor Terran Flux has resigned so we have an open spot there to fill.
- Also, TMC is on a death spiral. Gyuamno may or may not return for the election. Terran Flux is quitting. Mugwop is dead. Everyone else's activity has also declined including my own. I'm sporadic at best these days. It's okay. Death is nothing to fear. Let's embrace this as a wonderful opportunity for transformation. I'm open to suggestions. I'm bringing back Lunar Council elections and I'm also engaging in public relations with embassy regions in an attempt to rejuvenate the region. But if we get too dead, I might talk to Pyrosky about that colony idea. The Mystic Isles does have a nice ring to it!
Pyrosky
Sorry to see you go buddy. Keep in touch when you can :)
Lalucia, Alistia, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon, Ultranationalist State
Okay, election is running and Valentine's Day is over. My next adventure will be to visit 21St Century Rome. We've participated in their activities in the past.
Not alive enough it seems haha. I'm doing as good as a Civ can be I suppose. Things have definitely been hectic recently, and by recently I mean the past 2 years or so, so I have been trying to keep up with everything and unfortunately nationstates did not fit in the category of stuff I need to keep up with
Alistia, Wolflandil, Northern Forestavia, Solar Administrator
I promised Gyuamno my vote. So there it is! Looks like Wolflandil is in the lead so far. Good luck to all of the candidates tonight! :)
Congratulations to Wolflandil! Your job is to sit in a chair and look very wise and important. ;)
Also....
Announcement:
Gyuamno has volunteered to do some recruiting for the region so I appointed him as our official region recruiter. This is a temporary appointment.
Alistia
RIP Terran.
We add your ashes to that of the Volcano.
Oakplumington
We should make a TMC hall of the dead, for nations who were here forever before they ceased to exist or moved. We could put mugwop and new bacon in it, and vote on who should enter it.
Alistia, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
Good idea
Gyuamno, Exotic Lemon
*Pulls up chair*
boy you 'oughtta take a seat
Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Definitely Not Gyuamno
I sent Gyuamno on his travels once again. Consider this nation my permanent residency in The Mystical Council so I can remain in touch! :)
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon
You will probably have to redo the citizenship application and all that since you technically left without stating if you would ever return. I put you under pending in the citizen log but won't touch anything to do with that until this poll concludes.
Side note: What happens if no one votes? Does it go to the delegate's decision?
Oh brother, guess I need to remain here for a week before I can be a citizen once again!
Id be willing to make an exception once this poll ends, its not like you are a stranger to us. The only reason I am bothering to ask you to reapply is because you technically left without telling anyone (to my knowledge) on if you were gone permanently.
*Sits down with a bag of popcorn.*
I think we should make an exception. We're a tiny region. We don't have to be so formal. Gyuamno was only gone for two weeks. Now when the new people start coming we might have to play more by the book.
Wolflandil, Exotic Lemon
I would be in favor as well, I guess if anyone has an objections speak now.
Northern Forestavia
I have a objection! Ask if Mayonnaise is an instrument before allowing citizenship!
Pyrosky, Northern Forestavia, Exotic Lemon, Definitely Not Gyuamno
I'll pour one out for ya, bud. NS retirement isn't forever :)
Northern Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Call it "solidarity for TMC," as long as I can come back to 65 more messages when I log back in next month 😛
Pyrosky
No, Patrick. Mayonnaise is not an instrument
Wolflandil
Spoilers! Shhhh! Don't tell him. Terran's supposed to discover that for himself. lol!
Pyrosky, Parakka Northland
It is instrumental, however, when it comes to creating a tasty sandwich. ;)
Alistia, Wolflandil, Definitely Not Gyuamno
@ Definitely Not Gyuamno, that campaign telegram is coming. Currently dealing with a medical situation in the real world which is putting me behind. I'll be sending it your way at some point this week, bud. Your region is much obliged and thanks you for your patriotic stamp donation.
Alistia, Definitely Not Gyuamno
I have to disagree.
Exotic Lemon
I agree to disagree.
Pyrosky, Ancient Whispers
I agree
Alistia
yall need sum jesus
Alistia, Pyrosky, Oakplumington
I need some wine... Anyone has a bottle or shipping container they would like to trade?
Pyrosky, Oakplumington
https://www.nationstates.net/region=federation_of_conservative_nations/page=display_region_rmb?postid=27685547#p27685547
I just got a notification that this post was liked
Pyrosky, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon
It was a good post, I don't blame them.
Alistia, Pyrosky, Wolflandil
This one - is on me.
It's a 4985. A very good year in Forestavia.
Lalucia, Definitely Not Gyuamno
Second Lunar Council election is coming! :)
Lalucia
Okay, I'm awake and I can't sleep so I'm going to share something really crazy with you guys... You ready for this?
Nazis inside the Earth
Some hollow-Earth believers exhibit not just fascination with but open sympathy for Nazi Germany. The chief figure in the Nazi hollow-Earth movement is a Toronto man named Ernst Zundel, who writes under the name Christof Friedrich. Zundel operates a clearinghouse for Nazi materials and contends, as do other neo-Nazis, that the Holocaust never took place. In UFO's - Nazi Secret Weapons? (1976) he claimed that when World War II ended, Hitler and his Last Battalion boarded a submarine and escaped to Argentina; they then established a base for advanced saucer-shaped aircraft inside the hole at the South Pole. When the Allies learned what had happened, they dispatched Adm. Richard E. Byrd and a "scientific expedition" - in fact an army - to attack the Nazi base, but they were no match for the superior Nazi weapons.
To Zundel the Nazis were "outer earth representatives of the 'inner earth'." This in his view accounted for their racial superiority. In 1978, with the publication of his Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions Zundel solicited funds for his own polar expedition, for which he planned to charter an airliner with a large swastika painted on its fuselage. The swastika not only would bear witness to Zundel's ideological loyalties but also let the inner-Earthers know that their visitors were friendly.
Around the same time an expedition to the opposite pole, the northern one, was being planned by Tawani Shoush of Houston, Missouri. Shoush, a retired U.S. Marine Corps pilot and head of the International Society for a Complete Earth, wanted to fly a dirigible through the pole, where he and his companions would meet the "Nordic" inner-Earthers and possibly join them permanently in their realm. "The hollow earth is better than our own world," he told Chicago Tribune columnist Bob Greene (October 31, 1978). Though he denied harboring Nazi sympathies, his stationery prominently featured a swastika. Neither Zundel's nor Shoush's expedition ever got off the ground, literally or figuratively.
An unambiguously pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic work, Norma Cox's self-published Kingdoms Within Earth (1985) held that an international Zionist conspiracy has hidden the truth about the hollow Earth as part of a plot to enslave the human race. In this and other homemade books, as well as in a newsletter titled Secrets, the unabashedly racist Cox, an elderly Arkansas woman, warned that "here in the United States the White Christian is targeted for extinction," and soon Jesus himself will do open battle with the demonic inner-Earthers and their surface-dwelling allies. In the meantime, she said, "It appears that Deros have all but taken charge of the world."
Comparable themes figure in literature published by Cosmic Awareness Communications of Olympia, Washington. The organization claims to have its information from spirit beings who channel through the group's representatives.
This excerpt is brought to you by... "Unexplained! strange sightings, incredible occurrences, & puzzling physical phenomena" by Jerome Clark, (1999) (pp. 558-559) ISBN 1-57859-070-1
This interesting little book (actually, it's very thick) covers everything from mothman, bigfoot, UFO's, ghosts, fairies, and just about anything else paranormal. But this little section caught my eye. Oh. My. God. I've never heard such absurdity! Nazi's inside the earth? Really? I figured I'd share just for entertainment value. I'm into some pretty weird stuff. But this is the about wackiest thing I've read in a long while.
I hope to see this "mystery" finally be explained when the Lunar Council returns and sets itself up to rule over the hollow inner Earth for all eternity. Then we'll kick out the Nazis and finally get the real story behind the rumors. Long live the Lunar Council! The true heirs of the Hollow Earth!
Pyrosky, Parakka Northland
Enjoyed 9 days in texas over spring break, best week of my life.
Oakplumington
Hey, I just moved here, it’s nice to meet you guys. I’m not new to NS, but I just recently reactivated my account
Alistia, Pyrosky, Wolflandil, Oakplumington
Free poll!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=139305
Welcome to the region, anything you would like to know?
Oakplumington
Nice! :)
I promised Gyuamno a recruitment telegram awhile ago. I'm going to start drafting a copy of our recruitment telegram right here on the RMB so that I can have feedback from the region.
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It was a dark and stormy night.... *pauses to take a break*
*returns*
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THE FOLLOWING IS AN OFFICIAL RECRUITMENT TELEGRAM FROM The Mystical Council PAID FOR WITH TELEGRAM STAMPS
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Greetings! The Mystical Council is an older region that will be celebrating its fifth anniversary this fall. We come from humble beginnings and our story begins with a founder who stumbled onto a political simulation website run by Max Barry. It was a dark and stormy night. But unbeknownst to Oakplumington, the storms were only just beginning.
If you would like to be part of the storm, join us today! :)
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Oakplumington, Founder of The Mystical Council
P.S.
Serenity isn't freedom from the storm, but peace within the storm. - Anonymous
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TELEGRAM TERMINATION
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Alistia, Parakka Northland, Definitely Not Gyuamno
There ya go. Short, sweet, and simple. Any suggestions?
Definitely Not Gyuamno
In my humble opinion, I think all of those ideas are smart. But that's just me. I abstain from voting.
It's good to have you aboard.
*Looks him over real closely*
Mmm, yes. The Force is strong in this one.
Wolflandil, Draakkonia
Uhhhhh I dunno, anything you think that I should know?
Pyrosky
Only thing I can think of is we are pretty chill, anything to do with the government/politics you can ask pretty much anyone here.
Pyrosky, Oakplumington
CC: Wolflandil, Steward (Foreign Affairs) of The Mystical Council
Scansinia has invited us to join the Kaiserbund. Please read Article III, sections III and IV of the Imperial Codex. For everyone's convenience I have pinned the dispatches. Let's discuss if we want to be part of the Kaiserreich Empire.
Wolflandil, we need you to get in touch with Foreign Affairs Officer Galrythia of Kaiserreich. Ask any questions that you have. Bring your critiques to the table. Remember that you represent the good people of The Mystical Council so take their questions into consideration as well. Coordinate with the other officers and Emperor as well. Let's not rush into a decision. Let's take our time while we consider these things. I'm sure Emperor Alistia will have a few words to say and may even make a speech to the people on the matter.
[spoiler]
The following are the relevant sections from Article III of the Codex.
Section III: Kaiserbund
I. The Kaiserbund is the larger inter-regional, semi-autonomous, and united entity of the Empire.
II. Kaiserbund regions, run by a native or provincial government, have the protection of Kaiserreich, and may call upon the Reichswehr if needed to defend itself.
III. Kaiserbund regions are required to give assistance to Kaiserreich during a state of emergency through armed assistance or any other help determined by the Kaiser or Reichstag.
IV. Leaders of Kaiserbund regions represent their region within the Reichstag, as well as having at least 1 Tribune in the Reichstag and will increase by 1 Tribune by every 10 active persons after 10, and thus all representative may be take part in any legislative action therein.
V. Secession of any Kaiserbund regions from the Reich is strictly prohibited.
VI. Kaiserbund regions may have their own Military forces and conduct their own missions and conquests as long as this does not interfere nor hinder the Greater Reich. Furthermore, their military forces will be added as a Regiment or More with their own standards in the Reichswehr.
VIa. Their militaries may be separate but will also be made into regiments in the Reichswehr.
VII. An Imperial Official/Observer/Adviser may made a Regional Officer if needed to guide and ensure that the Region is strong and running smoothly.
VIII. Kaiserbund regions are granted autonomy, yet must not cause harm to the Greater Reich.
IX. Kaiserbund regions are allowed to keep their own laws, traditions, and faith. However, they must not be oppressive nor contradictory to that of the Greater Reich.
X. Kaiserbund regions must mark their region as a "Protektorate/Vassal/Kingdom/Principality/Republic/etc. in Kaiserreich", or pin the HUB, and their founder/Leaders or those coming to the Reichstag must swear Allegiance openly to the
Reich and Accept The Kaiser as Head of State. While, their actual leaders may hold the real authority (Holy Roman Empire in a sense). They may also keep their own regions, vassals, colonies.
XI. Kaiserbund regions members in the Reichstag, i.e. nobles or leaders, must take the Noble Exam or High Noble Exam if they desire a higher office.
XII. Kaiserbund regions citizens are citizens of the Greater Reich, yet if they desire to move to Kaiserreich they must take the Citizenship Exam, but do not need to be in the Region for 7 days.
XIII. Nobility status will be honored throughout, yet if they desire to participate in the Reichstag then they must take a short exam and oath just as the rest of the nobles in Kaiserreich.
XIV. Citizenry is the same everywhere with free travel, yet to become a noble in Kaiserreich they need a recommendation from their native region.
XV. Mergers have the same ability for the leaders to gain status as a Kaiserbund region, and may even have their own cultural channel in the general discord.
Section IV: Hierarchy
I. The main hierarchy and precedence of the Kaiserbund
-Kaiser
-Reich Chancellor/Archduke
-Reich Council Ministers
-Duke (Also equivalent rank of Kaiserbund regions royals of more than 20 active citizens in their region)
-Count (Also equivalent rank of Kaiserbund regions royals with less than 20 active citizens in their region)
-Margrave (Also Kaiserbund regions Democratic heads for time in office)
-Baron
-Lord (Also Kaiserbund regions nobles who are in the Reichstag through the exam, while those not in Kaiserreich who have not taken the noble exam are classified this but do not have entry nor may rise higher)
-Tribune
-Citizen
-Serf (Prospective Citizen)
-Bauer
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Exotic Lemon
"V. Secession of any Kaiserbund regions from the Reich is strictly prohibited."
This one makes me nervous. What if TMC changes its mind?
I'm sure an interesting regional discussion will ensue for the next few days.
Wolflandil, Exotic Lemon
I feel there would be bias against my prospective citizenship due to my involvement in multiple operations against Kaiserreich. That aside, their 'no-exit' clause should be a fairly strong deterrent for us. Since when have we ever committed to something? 😛
edit: Seems like I always log in to keep Oak in line. Is it some kind of coincidence?
Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
I will send it out!
Oakplumington
Alistia, Wolflandil, Oakplumington
I realize my position is the exact opposite of foreign affairs, but I would like to offer the unofficial opinion that I am against such a proposal. While I don't have anything against Kaiserriech, I think that TMC has a very unique culture of lunar cycles, lettuce, made-up religions, and a variety of political views. I find KR has a mostly right-wing, Germanic, centralized population. While there is nothing wrong with that, I feel like if people here wanted that they would have left for KR or other regions like it. Also a couple of notes on the articles:
"III. Kaiserbund regions are required to give assistance to Kaiserreich during a state of emergency through armed assistance or any other help determined by the Kaiser or Reichstag." - I am against forcing our population to join a "military" of a region unless it is 100% voluntary. Also the exact definition of "help" that is based solely on the jurisdiction of a government with little to no direct representation from us is sketchy in my opinion. We also have a founder, as well as other friends in regions, so the help reciprocated thing is nice but I think we are a low risk region of getting invaded and I feel like the deal will be more likely to be one-sided.
"VII. An Imperial Official/Observer/Adviser may made a Regional Officer if needed to guide and ensure that the Region is strong and running smoothly." While innocent enough in theory, we have no idea who may be sent or what their intentions are, and even if they may be sent. Also the "may be made" seems entirely arbitrary, what decides if we need one or not?
"V. Secession of any Kaiserbund regions from the Reich is strictly prohibited." Obviously already pointed out, seems a pretty serious, if we join and decide it isn't for us, then we can't leave without major penalties and a general loss of face, not to mention possibly a war.
These are just some opinions from me as a member of the region, not as a government member and definitely not as chancellor. I welcome any suggestions and if we do decide to do it I will be on board with everyone else. If KR wants to clarify then they are more then welcome to as well.
Alistia, Oakplumington, Draakkonia
Scansinia has informed me of some amendments. I'm bringing the information straight to you guys. I'm going to invite him to have dialogue with us right here on the RMB that was our concerns can be addressed. He seems willing to bargain and wants this to be a collaborative process.
[spoiler]
Section III: Kaiserbund
I. The Kaiserbund is a political, military, and economical league of regions; of which all are equally united in the Empire.
II. The capital of the Kaiserbund is KAISERREICH, which seats the Kaiserbund administration.
IIa. The member regions of the Kaiserbund are known as Free States or another agreed upon status.
III. Kaiserbund regions have the protection of all its members. Free States may call upon the Reichswehr if needed to defend themselves and receive any assistance as needed by all members.
IV. All citizens of the Free States (etc.) are, within local provisions, eligible for citizenship and services in the other Free States and the capital region and are encouraged to take part in the administration of the Kaiserbund.
V. Leaders of Kaiserbund members represent their region within the Reichstag, as well as having at least 1 Tribune (public representative) in the Reichstag (if desired) and will increase by 1 Tribune by every 10 active persons after 10, and thus all representatives may take part in any legislative action therein.
VI. Secession of any Kaiserbund region requires a 14 day notice where in that State will list its reasons for leaving and ensure that a peaceful exiting occurs. Once the 14 days are up then the State may legally leave or if they desire to stay in the Kaiserbund they may but must restart the 14 day process over again if they desire to withdraw again.
VII. Free States may have their own Military forces and may conduct their own missions and conquests as long as this does not interfere nor hinder the Greater Kaiserbund. Furthermore, their military forces will be added as a Regiment or More with their own standards in the Reichswehr.
VIII. The Free States are entitled to keep their own laws and traditions; but The Kaiserbund does not accept nor allow extremist views and ideologies as listed in the Civil Code and this Codex.
IX. The Free States may keep their embassy policies, with the exception of embassies with regions that hold extremist views and ideologies, nor have been proclaimed as enemies by the Kaiserbund.
IXa. Violating these provisions may result in ejection of the region or individual from the Bund.
X. Free States are granted autonomy, yet must not cause harm to each other nor the Kaiserbund as a whole
XI. Free States are allowed to keep their own laws, traditions, and faith; however, they must not be oppressive nor contradictory to that of the Greater Reich.
XII. Free States must mark their region as a part of the Kaiserbund, or pin the HUB. Their founder/leaders or those coming to the Reichstag must swear Allegiance openly in KAISERREICH's rmb. They may also keep their own regions, vassals, colonies, etc.
XIII. Free States regions members in the Reichstag, i.e. nobles or leaders, must take the Noble Exam or High Noble Exam if they desire a higher office.
XIV. Nobility status will be honored throughout, yet if they desire to participate in the Reichstag then they must take a short exam and oath just as the rest of the nobles in Kaiserreich.
XV. Citizenry is the same everywhere with free travel, yet to become a noble in Kaiserreich they need a recommendation from their native region.
XVI. Mergers have the same ability for the leaders to gain status as a Kaiserbund region, and may even have their own cultural channel in the general discord.
XVII. Imperial awards may be granted to all and each Member may create their own families and clans.
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Don't sell yourself short, Lemon. As Regional Chancellor and Lunar Council Candidate and long-time resident and native of the region, your voice carries clout. I really like your analysis. You're bringing up the really good points, too. I like that. I'm looking forward to hearing Steward Wolflandil's take on the matter as well as a statement from our Emperor.
Wolflandil, Draakkonia
There could be some bias! ;P
True, commitment isn't our strong suit AND we are a fiercely independent region that has always scoffed at the idea of a merge and even inter-regional "soft merges" are looked at with great suspicion, - but hey! Don't shoot the messenger! I'm just sharing an opportunity that has come across my desk. As your founder I'm just fulfilling my duty to keep the regional government and its wonderful citizens informed.
(Say goodbye to your potato tax, Pyrosky.)
Very Well, Oakplumington
Citizens of TMC!
I come out of the hole of my Telegrams and Forum Seven to announce my abivilance towards joining the Kaiserbund. While the Kaiserbund's amended terms are more fair than the previous ones, We would have less freedom in our spontaneous and erratic government changes. April fools is around the corner, and joining the Kaiserbund could ruin the effectiveness of said ensuing pranks, like last years cat prank. Sudden regime changes could spark concern and possible deployment of troops from other Kaiserbund regions.
However the Kaiserbund could prove to be a decent way of getting our region out there, interacting with similar sized member regions and could provide a potential for newcomers to find out about this region.
Whatever is chosen, it will change the path of this region.
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon, Draakkonia
TO: Wolflandil, Steward of The Mystical Council
FROM: Oakplumington, Founder of The Mystical Council
It has come to our attention that Pyrosky/Malcholm is concerned about his prospective citizenship under the Kaiserbund. Pyrosky's concerns stem from his participation in military R/D operations against Kaiserreich. I am requesting that you reach out to Foreign Affairs Officer Galrythia as soon as possible to clarify their government's feelings and attitudes towards Pyrosky. Please make a note that Pyrosky is a VERY long-time native of TMC who has served as Delegate, Lunar Councillor, and many other officer positions throughout the years on multiple occasions and multiple times over.
Thank you Wolflandil.
- Oak
I really appreciate the clarification by Scansinia and everyone else who deserves the credit, so I will try to take a more open stance on this even though as stated previously, I am kind of against any long-term commitment (we all know how this region is), but once again I would like to point out some things I believe may be cause for concern.
"III. Kaiserbund regions have the protection of all its members. Free States may call upon the Reichswehr if needed to defend themselves and receive any assistance as needed by all members."
- Already mentioned previously, TMC has an executive founder, high influence nations (Last I checked Parakka Northland has a landslide in influence), and a peaceful past. The only real military action taken against us is from The Red Fleet, who seem to do this more for laughs and prestige than actual conquest, and any attempts to truly conquer us would likely draw the attention of large and small defender forces and allies (Hopefully I didn't jinx us). On the flipside, it might not be fair for us to join this defensive pact if we can't contribute to it, only a handful of us are even World Assembly and I doubt many of us want to revive TMC's disbanded military. Also, movement of TMC's WA nations is hardly stable, I think back to a while ago when Parakka Northland and Gyuamno were each delegate twice in 4 days, and just a recent history shows some short lived delegates.
"V. Leaders of Kaiserbund members represent their region within the Reichstag, as well as having at least 1 Tribune (public representative) in the Reichstag (if desired) and will increase by 1 Tribune by every 10 active persons after 10, and thus all representatives may take part in any legislative action therein."
- We are a small region so I believe we would only be eligible for 1 tribune, which sparks a whole new problem just by how to choose the tribune. But besides that, how would they represent us? If its through discord I automatically view it with suspicion, some of us here don't use discord and I find it takes the fun out of nationstates.
"XII. Free States must mark their region as a part of the Kaiserbund, or pin the HUB. Their founder/leaders or those coming to the Reichstag must swear Allegiance openly in KAISERREICH's rmb"
- Seems innocent enough, but also seems to semi-contradict the new (and appreciated) ability of 14 day entering and exiting. I know a lot of us here take our word very seriously, and TMC should never swear anything it cannot uphold. If we swear allegiance but then decide it isn't or won't work out well, we are going back on our word. Its kind of a small technical issue in theory, but to me it is important because TMC should not be known as a region that breaks promises.
Not a particular article
Just some things I think we should remember about TMC: I would classify us as a lot of things, but we do not commit to anything for long. Remember we went from a medieval government to a fascist dictatorship, star-wars themed democracy, Roman-ish government, to a TGHI invasion, to the current government in less than a year. Some of those governments were only a few days or weeks, not to mention the other delegates who only remained for a day or less who never got a chance to try their plan.
Final Thoughts
Once again, this is my opinion, coming from me as a citizen and not as a government member. Also, I would like to state this is not an attempt to "roast" Scansinia, Galrythia or anyone in KR. I just want us to make sure we don't rush into an agreement that won't work out for both regions. If we decide to go along with it, I will be happy to go with the flow. I also want to thank Scansinia, Galrythia, and everyone else who deserves credit for their actions in making clarifications, adjustments, and more flexible entrance and exit policy.
I would also like to hear Delegate Alistia's opinion, as well as any feedback from TMC and KR.
Alistia, Scansinia, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland, Draakkonia
Very well put Lemon.
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon
In retrospect that was really long so I probably should have used the [spoiler]this thing[/spoiler]
But I feel like editing it takes out some of the legitimacy so R.I.P. mobile users. I am sure this won't be the last discussion so I will try to keep it shorter in the future.
Wolflandil, Draakkonia
I don't care what we decide to do, as long as I still have control over my precious Lunar Council. Lol! ;)
Considering the years of history i myself and TMC has had with kaiserreich and scansinia himself, both as allies and as foes, i am definitely against joining that.
And Lemon i like your idea of a hall of the dead.
Northern Forestavia
I'm going to vote for Parakka since he doesn't already hold a government position. Sorry Lemon!
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
So far it appears that I don't care, the Emperor is against, the Chancellor and Lunar Council Candidate is wary, our Steward is ambivalent while remaining concerned for our region's freedom but also seeing the advantages of joining the Kaiserbund, while long-term native and Former Delegate Malcholm is concerned about his citizenship status and immunity due to previous military actions taken against KR.
If I add all of this up, it's kind of looking like a no-go so far. I motion to put the Kaiserbund up for a vote following the Lunar Council elections. Can I get a second on the motion? I'll leave it to Chancellor Exotic Lemon to create the poll provided there's enough interest to vote on this Kaiserbund business.
Also, a question for the Chancellor, will our newest member Draakkonia be added to the citizenship roster in time for the vote on the Kaiserbund??
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Draakkonia
I can host the poll, but I think we should wait a few days first. That gives anyone else in TMC time to check whats going on and gather their opinions. It also gives KR a chance to essentially "sell" their case, as I would agree with your assessment it appears we are leaning towards a no. We can also wait for clarification regarding Malcholm's citizenship question.
Regarding Draakkonia: They technically haven't been here long enough to apply for citizenship but I think we should change that law, if people apply for citizenship they obviously intend to stay for at least a considerable amount of time. If no one raises any objections, I think Draakkonia should be able to apply for citizenship at their convenience.
Oakplumington and TMC, I am thinking of creating a TMC hall of the dead, and I would like to know who you guys think should be nominated to join it. I think the Hall should be special, not just citizens, but nations who had a large impact on the region. Some people I think deserve it are New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate (Still alive but mostly retired to my knowledge), Mugwop, and most recently Terran Flux, but feel free to nominate others.
Oakplumington, Draakkonia
Hi I have a question
How does one apply for citizenship
Oakplumington
The Guardians have chosen to elect two Lunar Councillors this election! This is okay since we still have extra spots that are unfilled.
1. I could use the "founder's privilege" to grant you citizenship.
Or
2. you could go through the more "official process". I'm not exactly sure what the "more official process" is but Lemon is in charge of the citizenship list so maybe he'll know.
I prefer you try going through #2 first. If that doesn't work out for you then come see me and we'll talk. :)
Wolflandil, Draakkonia
I am in favor of a TMC Hall of the Dead! Death is wonderful!
Alrighty! I’ll wait for Lemon to come on and see what he’s got to say
You just need the approval of two government members other than knights. Just send me a telegram saying something like "I would like to apply for citizenship". I will ask you a few simple questions, and you are set. The questions aren't going to be tricks or anything like that, more to see how well I think you will fit in. You are also free to ask us any questions. You then need to get the approval of a second government member, they may ask you questions or approve you without asking anything. Oakplumington also has the ability to grant instant citizenship.
Oakplumington, Draakkonia
[spoiler=some thicc text]Hello, all.
This account is, as you can see, in Kaiserreich. However, it is not my main account. This nation is merely a puppet of Kintada, of the region Montealba. I would talk to you using my main, but unfortunately Montealba and The Mystical Council do not have embassies with eachother.
Anyway, Montealba is a Kaiserbund region. So far we have enjoyed being part of the Kaiserbund very much. Let me first ease your fears about it:
Q1: What does this mean for us militarily? Do we need to fight in Kaiserreich's wars?
A1: Actually, no! You are not required to take part in any of the wars that Kaiserreich fights in. Of course, if you want to help, that would be appreciated, but you will not be forced to send you armies in support, and your people will not be conscripted.
However, Kaiserreich is required to fight in your wars, as long as they are defensive. So if somebody else attacks you, Kaiserreich will come to your aid. This means that for military matters, the Kaiserbund is essentially a no-commitment, high reward thing.
Q2: But what about our independence?
A2: I generally liken the Kaiserbund to the Holy Roman Empire. And any of you who have studied the history of the HRE know that many of it's states were almost completely independent in practice. I have already explained how you will be independent militarily, but I should also say that the Kaiserreich will not attempt to influence the laws of your region, will not attempt to influence government decisions, and will not try to ban nation within your region. Of which, I should mention: I believe Pyrosky was concerned about his citizenship? Well, worry not. I have talked with the Kaiser and Chancellor, and they have agreed that any actions you have made before joining the Kaiserbund are not to be held against you.
Q3: What if we want to leave?
A3: I believe you have been informed of the amendments we made to the Codex? You may start discussions within the Reichstag to have you leave. If you have legitimate worries about what is happening, you will be allowed to leave, and hopefully good relations between the two regions will continue post-independence.
Q4: Will we have enough representation within the Reich?
A4: Yes! Your leader automatically gains a Reichstag seat, as do an extra person for every 10 active nations. I believe that right now you would be entitled to have two seats in the Reichstag? Not an insignificant number. As well as that, about 5 seats are already held by members of other Kaiserbund regions in total, and so if anyone tried to pass laws that would negatively impact Kaiserbund regions, it would easily be voted down by us collectively.
And now for some reason why you should join:
For one thing, getting to play at politics. In a small region, it is generally hard to participate in an interesting political climate, as one can not develop with so few people. Anyone here interested in being a politician? In the Kaiserbund, that is possible, as there are a lot more people to make a political environment with.
You would all be eligible for Kaiserreich citizenship. You would be able to participate in the roleplay of Kaiserreich, as well as every other Kaiserbund state. If you wish to participate in the Reichswehr (Kaiserreich army) you can. Basically, you get to stay in a small region, with all the benefits of a small region, but you also have access to all the benefits of a large region.
Anyway, if you have any questions, feel free to ask me. If you have any concerns, also tell me, and I will bring these concerns before the Reichstag for consideration.
Thanks you for your time.[/spoiler]
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon
So let me get this straight. TMC, KR, Montealba all retain their regionhood, while simultaneously aligning themselves with an even larger "region" and "Interregional Alliance" if you will called Kaiserbund. So we're going to be like a small region inside of a larger region? I'm just getting real basic for a second just for clarity.
Cogaii
Oakplumington, with the revival of the lunar council, are we going to revive the lunar council's leader/president (Maybe give them a different title and/or border control?) ? If so, by the old laws, Wolflandil would qualify for the position by the seniority succession we had. Also with this recent double election I think Parakka Northland should be the next most senior because I already hold a government position here.
Alistia, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Draakkonia
Shhhhh! Right now the Lunar Council is composed only of "figure heads". Their power is *symbolic only*. Let's wait two more moons before we ask such questions. A house must be built brick by brick, beam by beam. Right now all they need to know is that we have five figure heads with communications authority who are kind of, sort of discouraged from using their communications authority in an official capacity, that is.
Exotic Lemon
Key question for the Kaiserbund:
I consider Alpha Wolf to be my friend and an ally to The Mystical Council. In my opinion, The Wolf Clan is an important embassy for our region. In the event that The Mystical Council joins the Kaiserbund, would The Mystical Council be permitted to retain embassy relations with The Wolf Clan? And furthermore, can the Kaiserbund offer some sort of guarantee in writing that would protect The Wolf Clan's embassy in this region from any future hostility?
Edit:
I kinda have a feeling that this is where the negotiations are gonna get murky. I'm going to have our servers put out some tea, coffee, wine, and cigarettes so that we can get through these sensitive discussions.
Cogaii
Well according to the old government dispatch, they are the judicial branch as well. Fortunately we haven't really needed that in a while. I figured we might as well bring back the old title while dragging old titles out of the past. I guess I shouldn't have said they need border control, as it looks bad if I ask for more power for a ceremonial council I am on.
Oh, and speaking of The Wolf Clan, they are getting ready for baseball season. So if you're interested please be sure to get in touch with Lycanberg! Basketball season is about to wrap up. I have pinned the Baseball dispatch for anyone here in TMC who is interested in participating.
Play Ball!!!
Lycanberg
Post by Cogaii suppressed by Wolflandil.
Correct. I acknowledge that its hard to explain, but yeah, thats the gist of it.
Kaiserreich and The Wolf Clan are, too my knowledge, currently at peace. An uneasy peace, admittedly, but peace. Kaiserreich has no plans to restart conflict, so as long as TWC also have no plans for war, their should be no issue. I will talk to the Kaiser and Chancellor to try and get that written guarantee.
Oakplumington
Very good. Peace is good. I wonder if perhaps The Mystical Council might be able to strengthen peace between the two regions. Not sure how at the moment but it's another angle to consider.
Cogaii
That is actually a very good idea. I'll have to bring that up in the Reichstag, thanks.
Oakplumington
You're welcome.
Cogaii
Draakkonia has applied for citizenship and received their first approval. They now require a second government approval as well. Since the governor and marshal spot is vacant and the knight post is excluded (sorry Lalucia, those rules were from when we had a larger government), and the lunar council is symbolic only, Wolflandil or Alistia can give the second approval.
Wolflandil, Draakkonia
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon, Draakkonia
I am happy to announce Draakkonia is a full fledged citizen, welcome to the region.
Also unrelated: I am trying to consolidate and update the government/history factbook if anyone sees something that needs to be changed, tell me
Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Draakkonia
Oh, yeah! Citizenship Party for Draakkonia! Refreshments are on the house. I think we might have some chocolate chip cookies somewhere.
Wolflandil, Draakkonia
Oakplumington, Draakkonia
Well, I have received definite confirmation from the Kaiser himself that you can keep your embassy with the Wolf Clan if you join the Kaiserbund.
Oakplumington
Thanks for the citizenship party guys. Funnily enough, today also happens to be my birthday!
Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon, Definitely Not Gyuamno
Post by Definitely Not Gyuamno suppressed by Wolflandil.
Happy birthday.
Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Draakkonia
Happy birthday
Oakplumington, this calls for double celebration.
Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Draakkonia
Very good. Thank you.
Cogaii
In celebration of Draakkonia's birthday and citizenship, I have granted him a temporary government position (in the spirit of these festivities) that should last for no longer than one week. Congratulations, Draakkonia! Why don't you create a poll for the region? And don't forget to make a wish when you blow out the candles on the cake! :)
This has never happened before. Lemon, this indeed calls for a double celebration. Lalucia! Bring out the wine!
Draakkonia
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