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jeez you raiders pay real close attention to gp don't you <.<

I can confirm Chingis and Jegerkompaniet, as though they weren't confirmed enough. I sent mine in, please keep it confidential >.>

Alistia, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:jeez you raiders pay real close attention to gp don't you <.<

I can confirm Chingis and Jegerkompaniet, as though they weren't confirmed enough. I sent mine in, [B]please keep it confidential[/B] >.>

Yeah that's the problem, the list is public, and I think you switch often.

Okay then [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation], [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] I need 2 of you to give me verbal confirmation of Mal.

Malcholm, Civilisunio

Mugwop wrote:Yeah that's the problem, the list is public, and I think you switch often.

Okay then [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation], [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] I need 2 of you to give me verbal confirmation of Mal.

Ill confirm Malcholm.

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol

Mugwop wrote:Yeah that's the problem, the list is public, and I think you switch often.

Okay then [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation], [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] I need 2 of you to give me verbal confirmation of Mal.

Mal is good.

Malcholm, Truxol

Mugwop wrote:Yeah that's the problem, the list is public, and I think you switch often.

Okay then [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation], [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] I need 2 of you to give me verbal confirmation of Mal.

You begin to see why I said one of the department heads or the founder should keep maintaining the list. You are doing a good job on updating the list. Also routine checks are also good too :)

Malcholm

Parakka Northland wrote:You begin to see why I said one of the department heads or the founder should keep maintaining the list. You are doing a good job on updating the list. Also routine checks are also good too :)

Yeah but now the list is transparent https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=820739 If someone is not WA verified, you can refer to who confirmed them.

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:Yeah but now the list is transparent https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=820739 If someone is not WA verified, you can refer to who confirmed them.

Is the seal going to go on this next flag?

New Bacon wrote:Is the seal going to go on this next flag?

Seal remains the same.

Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:Seal remains the same.

Uhh IS THE NEW FLAG GOING TO HAVE THE CURRENT SEAL?!!!

That's what I was asking.

Malcholm

New Bacon wrote:Uhh IS THE NEW FLAG GOING TO HAVE THE CURRENT SEAL?!!!

That's what I was asking.

Yes.

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Mugwop wrote:Seal remains the same.

Quick question looking back at this deal stuff, but if a flag is chosen with some sort of emblem on it. How are we going to incorporate the seal with the new flag without making the flag look cluttered?

New Bacon

Malcholm wrote:Yes.

No.

Currently this is the leading image for the flag poll: http://i.imgur.com/uXqXRyk.jpg

If it wins, then this image will be the flag. No alterations to it will be made. It's only this image, no more or less.

The seal has nothing to do with the flag. It does not go onto the flag. The seal is independent of the flag.

I hope this is all clear now.

Alistia, New Bacon

Mugwop wrote:No.

Currently this is the leading image for the flag poll: http://i.imgur.com/uXqXRyk.jpg

If it wins, then this image will be the flag. No alterations to it will be made. It's only this image, no more or less.

The seal has nothing to do with the flag. It does not go onto the flag. The seal is independent of the flag.

I hope this is all clear now.

I think there's a confusion because the current flag, does have the seal on it, now people are thinking that all flags must have the seal on it. This is not true.

When the current flag was voted on, it was presented as this: http://i.imgur.com/pLFzP0d.png It was NOT presented to vote without the seal, and then the seal was added later. So again, if this image wins http://i.imgur.com/uXqXRyk.jpg nothing will be added or removed from it.

Alistia, Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:No.

Currently this is the leading image for the flag poll: http://i.imgur.com/uXqXRyk.jpg

If it wins, then this image will be the flag. No alterations to it will be made. It's only this image, no more or less.

The seal has nothing to do with the flag. It does not go onto the flag. The seal is independent of the flag.

I hope this is all clear now.

I was asking because sometimes seals are on flags. Not all the time though. But I thank you for clearing this up.

Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland

[nation=short]viva italia[/nation], [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation], [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] I believe [nation=short]moltavo[/nation] is not a puppet, although inactive, and should be verified.

Alistia, Malcholm

Also, the nation of the week poll will resume Friday. Please nominate people again!

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol

Exotic Lemon wrote:[nation=short]viva italia[/nation], [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation], [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] I believe [nation=short]moltavo[/nation] is not a puppet, although inactive, and should be verified.

To verify a person means that you personally can confirm they are indeed an independent person. It's not about someone else telling them that this person is real.

Currently [nation=short]moltavo[/nation] and [nation=short]Rondaland[/nation] are half verified by [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation]. If they can't get an independent verification from another person, then [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] is the only other person who can confirm them.

Mugwop wrote:No.

Currently this is the leading image for the flag poll: http://i.imgur.com/uXqXRyk.jpg

If it wins, then this image will be the flag. No alterations to it will be made. It's only this image, no more or less.

The seal has nothing to do with the flag. It does not go onto the flag. The seal is independent of the flag.

I hope this is all clear now.

Oh.

I read that as "is this new flag going to be accompanied by the current seal," not as "is this flag going to be amended with the current seal." My bad!

Parakka Northland

Ummm has anyone ever noticed our gov. is very similar to the UK's Gov. I call for a governmental rehaul and reform.

Gyuamno

Civilisunio wrote:Ummm has anyone ever noticed our gov. is very similar to the UK's Gov. I call for a governmental rehaul and reform.

Been calling for that, for the last month. What exactly is your plan?

Civilisunio

Civilisunio wrote:Ummm has anyone ever noticed our gov. is very similar to the UK's Gov. I call for a governmental rehaul and reform.

Oi m8 jolly ya old cream cracka, cheese gromit!

Parakka Northland

[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] I nominate [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] for nation of the week

Gyuamno, Alistia, Exotic Lemon

Parakka Northland wrote:Been calling for that, for the last month. What exactly is your plan?

Not 100% sure. Just brainstorming right now. I might change my government plan to work with tmc.

Civilisunio wrote:Ummm has anyone ever noticed our gov. is very similar to the UK's Gov. I call for a governmental rehaul and reform.

Civilisunio wrote:Not 100% sure. Just brainstorming right now. I might change my government plan to work with tmc.

NO.

Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:NO.

Agreed...

Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:NO.

Viva Italia wrote:Agreed...

What are we not agreeing on?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=civilisunio/detail=factbook/id=684773 Still a rough draft with much more detail and changes to come but i think with enough tweaks could work.

Civilisunio wrote:What are we not agreeing on?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=civilisunio/detail=factbook/id=684773 Still a rough draft with much more detail and changes to come but i think with enough tweaks could work.

There's absolutely no need for a government restructure at this point, and doing so would only destabilize the region. We're at a point where we've almost worked out all of the kinks with the constitutional monarchy, why change just because our region's government "is very similar to the UK's gov?" Why would you have a problem with that?

Alistia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia

Malcholm wrote:There's absolutely no need for a government restructure at this point, and doing so would only destabilize the region. We're at a point where we've almost worked out all of the kinks with the constitutional monarchy, why change just because our region's government "is very similar to the UK's gov?" Why would you have a problem with that?

Because i dont come to nationstates to look at another version of what i see in real life. Either way there isnt much fun and reason to be doing anything in the government if everybody is too afraid to be active and mix things up.

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm

[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] I nominate [nation=short]Truxol[/nation] for nation of the week

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol, Exotic Lemon

Mugwop wrote:Yeah that's the problem, the list is public, and I think you switch often.

Okay then [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation], [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation], [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] I need 2 of you to give me verbal confirmation of Mal.

I confirm him

Alistia, Malcholm

Malcholm wrote:There's absolutely no need for a government restructure at this point, and doing so would only destabilize the region. We're at a point where we've almost worked out all of the kinks with the constitutional monarchy, why change just because our region's government "is very similar to the UK's gov?" Why would you have a problem with that?

Absolutely agree. In fact from now on we should not do that unless all goverment heads say there needs to restructuring. It's an unnecessary pain in the ass.

Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:Absolutely agree. In fact from now on we should not do that unless all goverment heads say there needs to restructuring. It's an unnecessary pain in the ass.

Shouldn't that be a decision for the people?

Alistia

Truxol wrote:[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] I nominate [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] for nation of the week

Parakka Northland wrote:[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] I nominate [nation=short]Truxol[/nation] for nation of the week

Great job guys, keep nominating!

Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Truxol wrote:[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] I nominate [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] for nation of the week

luv u truxxy, im voting 4 u fyi ;)

Alistia, Truxol, Exotic Lemon

Post self-deleted by Mugwop.

Parakka Northland wrote:Shouldn't that be a decision for the people?

Well the goverment heads are all chosen by the people. So there you go. This is a massive undertaking that requires unanimous approval.

We can't make a new goverment system just whenever someone gets bored and what's to try out their own faulty system. And who the hell is going to fix the nuances of the new system? Who's going to organize it to make it work right? Who's going to have to make a laundry list of policies to fix all the loophole in system?

I am not doing that all over again.

This the exact problem we used to have before, some genius comes in and goes "oh hey guys, here's my brilliant idea to rebuild the whole goverment from the ground up. It's a broken piece sh!t that requires a lot of patching and amendments until it gets better, but I'm not gonna do any of that, you guys figure how to fix this piece of crap I handed it to you. okay bye"

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck no.

The current system works great. We don't need a broken goddamn mess that we have to worry about fixing it.

Malcholm, Viva Italia

I am trying to figure out a regional holiday. Any suggestions? Right now I am thinking of a [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] and [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] day of chanting lettuce and sacrificing nations to a volcano. thoughts?

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol

Exotic Lemon wrote:I am trying to figure out a regional holiday. Any suggestions? Right now I am thinking of a [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] and [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] day of chanting lettuce and sacrificing nations to a volcano. thoughts?

I approve!

Parakka Northland wrote:[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] I nominate [nation=short]Truxol[/nation] for nation of the week

I thank you!

Gyuamno wrote:luv u truxxy, im voting 4 u fyi ;)

:D

Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Just a reminder everyone that tomorrow we're gonna have the Minister of Foreign Affairs merger poll. If you have any input please share it beforehand.

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol

Mugwop wrote:Just a reminder everyone that tomorrow we're gonna have the Minister of Foreign Affairs merger poll. If you have any input please share it beforehand.

It's an awful idea that I don't agree with.

:-)

Truxol, Parakka Northland

Malcholm wrote:It's an awful idea that I don't agree with.

:-)

Well tomorrow the poll will have 3 options

1. Merge Minister of Defense and Minister of Foreign Affairs office powers: Border Control, Communications, Embassies (all these powers are currently held by the Minister of Defense)

2. Merge Minister of Domestic Affairs and Minister of Foreign Affairs office powers: Polls (currently Domestic exclusive), Communications, Embassies (currently Foreign exclusive)

3. Do not Merge the office of Minister of Foreign Affairs

If 1 or 2 is most popular, then of course they win. If 3 is popular, the combined vote of 1&2 must be < 3, then no merge will happen.

If the combined vote of 1&2 is > than 3, but 1 and 2 each has less votes than 3, this might indicate that people are in general in favor of merger, but there was a split vote. In this case, the poll will be redone again with 2 options, an option for the most popular merger from the previous poll, and a no merger option.

If there is a need for a second merger poll, it will take place on May 21 - May 24, on Mystical Council, since the flag poll will be finalized today.

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol, Exotic Lemon

I see many people are saying that this government is like the U.K. I can tell you all it's not like the U.K. simply because this government is missing a legislature. The U.K. has the House of Commons and the House of Lords. That is something I am not seeing. However it is in the constitution that I am proposing.

Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:I see many people are saying that this government is like the U.K. I can tell you all it's not like the U.K. simply because this government is missing a legislature. The U.K. has the House of Commons and the House of Lords. That is something I am not seeing. However it is in the constitution that I am proposing.

Why no house of memes

Gyuamno, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon

New Bacon wrote:I see many people are saying that this government is like the U.K. I can tell you all it's not like the U.K. simply because this government is missing a legislature. The U.K. has the House of Commons and the House of Lords. That is something I am not seeing. However it is in the constitution that I am proposing.

But we literally do have a house of commons and lords

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618

Truxol wrote:Why no house of memes

I want a house of memes rn thx

Malcholm, Truxol

Sum of u gov't offishals don't even know their own gov't lololololol

Malcholm, Truxol

New Bacon wrote:I see many people are saying that this government is like the U.K. I can tell you all it's not like the U.K. simply because this government is missing a legislature. The U.K. has the House of Commons and the House of Lords. That is something I am not seeing. However it is in the constitution that I am proposing.

Gyuamno wrote:But we literally do have a house of commons and lords

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618I want a house of memes rn thx

Bacon point is why we have it, it's not run as it should be which is the issue. The two houses in the UK are separate yet here they run or operate with no boundaries. When votes are carried out they are done combined, which shouldn't happen (I'm not talking about government elections but legislative ones). In the UK the government would propose legislation and the commons would vote on it. If it passed it would then go to the house of lords for debate and a vote of approval.

This isn't happening because firstly we don't have a leader of the Commons (Though I suppose thats the domestic minister) but we need a leader of the Lords to ensure that laws are debated by members of the house of lords. Now I suspect that certain members of the government will be up in arms about this. But it is what our system of government should have and should take place. The only reason why it doesn't is because it's not convent to certain individuals.

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] can you please appoint a leader of the house of lords. Thanks

Mugwop wrote:Well the goverment heads are all chosen by the people. So there you go. This is a massive undertaking that requires unanimous approval.

We can't make a new goverment system just whenever someone gets bored and what's to try out their own faulty system. And who the hell is going to fix the nuances of the new system? Who's going to organize it to make it work right? Who's going to have to make a laundry list of policies to fix all the loophole in system?

I am not doing that all over again.

This the exact problem we used to have before, some genius comes in and goes "oh hey guys, here's my brilliant idea to rebuild the whole goverment from the ground up. It's a broken piece sh!t that requires a lot of patching and amendments until it gets better, but I'm not gonna do any of that, you guys figure how to fix this piece of crap I handed it to you. okay bye"

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck no.

The current system works great. We don't need a broken goddamn mess that we have to worry about fixing it.

You quite finished with your rant? I dont talk to you in that manner, so please don't do it to me.

You are not the only one in government or in the region. If you feel you are the only one doing any work then seek an impeachment of your fellow ministers. As from what I have read it seems that's what you are implying.

Parakka Northland wrote:Bacon point is why we have it, it's not run as it should be which is the issue. The two houses in the UK are separate yet here they run or operate with no boundaries. When votes are carried out they are done combined, which shouldn't happen (I'm not talking about government elections but legislative ones). In the UK the government would propose legislation and the commons would vote on it. If it passed it would then go to the house of lords for debate and a vote of approval.

This isn't happening because firstly we don't have a leader of the Commons (Though I suppose thats the domestic minister) but we need a leader of the Lords to ensure that laws are debated by members of the house of lords. Now I suspect that certain members of the government will be up in arms about this. But it is what our system of government should have and should take place. The only reason why it doesn't is because it's not convent to certain individuals.

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] can you please appoint a leader of the house of lords. Thanks

You quite finished with your rant? I dont talk to you in that manner, so please don't do it to me.

You are not the only one in government or in the region. If you feel you are the only one doing any work then seek an impeachment of your fellow ministers. As from what I have read it seems that's what you are implying.

All I am saying is that if yet another piece of broken trash is introduced, I am not going to fix this one too.

You want a new goverment system? You fix your own mess that you bring with it.

Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:All I am saying is that if yet another piece of broken trash is introduced, I am not going to fix this one too.

You want a new goverment system? You fix your own mess that you bring with it.

Look i understand that you dont want to put in anymore work, but we need change. Your going to have to fix issues some way or another so why not with a change that could make ns interesting again, at least for tmc.

>>tfw its not interesting bc its not done your way

Alistia, Truxol, Mugwop

I mean, if we switch systems again, I'd like to see a return to the Lunar Council of yore. I think we were at our best as a tyranny by majority.

Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Civilisunio wrote:Look i understand that you dont want to put in anymore work, but we need change. Your going to have to fix issues some way or another so why not with a change that could make ns interesting again, at least for tmc.

So you want government change because the regions government isn't interesting enough??

Malcholm

Civilisunio wrote:Look i understand that you dont want to put in anymore work, but we need change. Your going to have to fix issues some way or another so why not with a change that could make ns interesting again, at least for tmc.

NOPE.

You want a new goverment? YOU fix the issues that come with it. I'm not gonna treat you like a kid and clean up after your mess.

Gyuamno wrote:Sum of u gov't offishals don't even know their own gov't lololololol

Gyuamno wrote:But we literally do have a house of commons and lords

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618I want a house of memes rn thx

You especially are about to piss me off ;). Now the House of Lords and Commons are dysfunctional and disorganized and should be an elected body. So we really don't. It just states that all WA members are the House of Lords and all non-WA are House of Commons. Do we have a House of Commons and Lords? Again No. My answer stays the same. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:All I am saying is that if yet another piece of broken trash is introduced, I am not going to fix this one too.

You want a new goverment system? You fix your own mess that you bring with it.

[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] some of this mess in this current government needs tor straighten up and be more organized. You can help out also but you just don't want to I understand.

Barishmacht, Parakka Northland

[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], [nation=short]illfated[/nation], and [nation=short]alistia[/nation] do you all not respond to telegrams?

Gyuamno

Malcholm wrote:I mean, if we switch systems again, I'd like to see a return to the Lunar Council of yore. I think we were at our best as a tyranny by majority.

If we switch systems it should and must be unicameral, without Sentagon. The lunar Council can be the ultimate legislative body.

Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] some of this mess in this current government needs tor straighten up and be more organized. You can help out also but you just don't want to I understand.

So far by large I am the only person who has introduced policies and systems to make the goverment system works.

My job is Minister of Domestic affairs, a title that comes with just creating polls and telling people about it. My job is not to create a complete election schedule, my job is not make sure all our laws are up to date, my job is not to keep up with who can and who cannot vote, my job is not to write new laws about running the goverment to cover up all the issues that come up with its offices, but I did all of those anyway.

If someone else introduces a new goverment system, I am doing none of that all over again. [B]Whomever introduces the system, will have to do all that work.[/B] If I am in the similar office postion in a new goverment system, then all I will do is create polls; no more or less. I am not cleaning up messes anymore.

Malcholm, Viva Italia

Parakka Northland wrote:

If you feel you are the only one doing any work then seek an impeachment of your fellow ministers. As from what I have read it seems that's what you are implying.

Parakka, do you feel that the government needs impeachment? Not trying to roast or be rude just genuinely curious (it is also good for my news nation). Also, do you have plans to run for a major position when elections come up?

Parakka Northland

I am against merging the offices, if the office is inactive, that is that nation's fault. We simply need an active minister

Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia

New Bacon wrote:You especially are about to piss me off ;). Now the House of Lords and Commons are dysfunctional and disorganized and should be an elected body. So we really don't. It just states that all WA members are the House of Lords and all non-WA are House of Commons. Do we have a House of Commons and Lords? Again No. My answer stays the same. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

but its literally called house of commons and lords m8 who cares how they are elected/assigned. u literally acknowledged we have them, but u say no? wot gives m8.

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], [nation=short]illfated[/nation], and [nation=short]alistia[/nation] do you all not respond to telegrams?

wot is a telegram

Exotic Lemon wrote:Parakka, do you feel that the government needs impeachment? Not trying to roast or be rude just genuinely curious (it is also good for my news nation). Also, do you have plans to run for a major position when elections come up?

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] needs to be impeached, that pervy celery man is up to no good. jk luv u 4est dont ban me

Truxol wrote:I am against merging the offices, if the office is inactive, that is that nation's fault. We simply need an active minister

i am proposing a great solution some say the best solution i only have great solutions all minister offices are merged into one this new office will be called gyuamno's office and gyuamno oh hey thats me gets to be the first minister to hold gyuamno's office and he can do whatever he wants including ban everyone because he hates everyone i hope you enjoy no punctuation but please do not let it distract you from the fact that in 1998 The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell and plummeted 16 feet through an announcer’s table

Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Gyuamno wrote:but its literally called house of commons and lords m8 who cares how they are elected/assigned. u literally acknowledged we have them, but u say no? wot gives m8.

wot is a telegram

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] needs to be impeached, that pervy celery man is up to no good. jk luv u 4est dont ban me

i am proposing a great solution some say the best solution i only have great solutions all minister offices are merged into one this new office will be called gyuamno's office and gyuamno oh hey thats me gets to be the first minister to hold gyuamno's office and he can do whatever he wants including ban everyone because he hates everyone i hope you enjoy no punctuation but please do not let it distract you from the fact that in 1998 The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell and plummeted 16 feet through an announcer’s table

Roleplay

Now Comrade Igor, surely you are not going to make me mad before my night is over, surely. I can't handle commies too well. Yes I acknowledged the fact. But I don't see any real action between house or lords and commons.

*Grabs bottle of Alistian Rum*

But of course this is the moment when all hell breaks loose and chaos begins.

Mugwop wrote:So far by large I am the only person who has introduced policies and systems to make the goverment system works.

My job is Minister of Domestic affairs, a title that comes with just creating polls and telling people about it. My job is not to create a complete election schedule, my job is not make sure all our laws are up to date, my job is not to keep up with who can and who cannot vote, my job is not to write new laws about running the goverment to cover up all the issues that come up with its offices, but I did all of those anyway.

If someone else introduces a new goverment system, I am doing none of that all over again. [B]Whomever introduces the system, will have to do all that work.[/B] If I am in the similar office postion in a new goverment system, then all I will do is create polls; no more or less. I am not cleaning up messes anymore.

I'm not changing the government but it needs to be better. [nation=short]mugwop[/nation].

Truxol, Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:I'm not changing the government but it needs to be better. [nation=short]mugwop[/nation].

Well then someone better give me hand in figuring out ways to make it better.

Malcholm, Truxol

Truxol wrote:I am against merging the offices, if the office is inactive, that is that nation's fault. We simply need an active minister

I agree.I think the office is an important one we just have incompetent people running it

Truxol

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Malcholm, Truxol

Exotic Lemon wrote:Parakka, do you feel that the government needs impeachment? Not trying to roast or be rude just genuinely curious (it is also good for my news nation). Also, do you have plans to run for a major position when elections come up?

From what [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] said or implied it seems he genuinely feels that he is doing the majority of the work. If that is the case then yes an impeachment of the government might be the way to go.

In terms of myself i have put my name down for the judical position and I might again run for prime minister. As my delegate ambitions are slow to materialise.

Malcholm, Truxol, Exotic Lemon

Parakka Northland wrote:From what [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] said or implied it seems he genuinely feels that he is doing the majority of the work. If that is the case then yes an impeachment of the government might be the way to go.

In terms of myself i have put my name down for the judical position and I might again run for prime minister. As my delegate ambitions are slow to materialise.

Impeachment is not what I think should be done. I don't mind doing the things that I do, but I very much mind if I have to do them all over again.

What should be done is that if a new system of goverment is introduced, whomever introduces it has to work out all the problems and holes that accompany it. This way we don't have someone shoving down their own ideas onto everyone just so the feel good that their idea is the system, and not worrying about the fallout.

If a person introduces an idea, they patch the problems that come with it. Not someone else. They must take full responsibility on creating solutions to fix any outstanding problems.

Malcholm, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:Impeachment is not what I think should be done. I don't mind doing the things that I do, but I very much mind if I have to do them all over again.

What should be done is that if a new system of goverment is introduced, whomever introduces it has to work out all the problems and holes that accompany it. This way we don't have someone shoving down their own ideas onto everyone just so the feel good that their idea is the system, and not worrying about the fallout.

If a person introduces an idea, they patch the problems that come with it. Not someone else. They must take full responsibility on creating solutions to fix any outstanding problems.

So one person works on everything?

Isnt that kinda counter intuitive?

Barishmacht wrote:So one person works on everything?

Isnt that kinda counter intuitive?

Not on the day to day operation of the region. That continues as before with each person handling their roles.

However, with the introduction of a new goverment system, a laundry list of issues arise about how to setup the system. Things like how the system of election is, what's the goverment hierarchy, what are the loopholes in the new system that need to be patched, what are the duties and responsibilities of each goverment postion, who oversees domestic conflict in the region and how, who oversees foreign conflict and how... the list goes on and on. Figuring this out is not part of the day to day operation. It's the initial big mess that comes with the introduction of a new system. And that mess should be the responsibility of whomever introduces the system.

We can't afford every day having someone saying "hey guys check out my brilliant idea for a goverment" and just tossing their pile for us to deal with. Whomever wants a new goverment system, if they are truly serious about it, they should take responsibility in fixing and patching all the issues that comes with their system. They must fix any new messes they create.

Alistia, Malcholm, Viva Italia

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], [nation=short]illfated[/nation], and [nation=short]alistia[/nation] do you all not respond to telegrams?

you havent sent me ANYTHING.

New Bacon

Truxol wrote:I am against merging the offices, if the office is inactive, that is that nation's fault. We simply need an active minister

thats not why it was proposed though.

Alistia wrote:thats not why it was proposed though.

Eh

Oh well. Still against.

Gyuamno, Alistia

Nation of the week poll is up tomorrow. So far we have:

[nation=short]truxol[/nation], nominated by [nation=short]parakka northland[/nation]

[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation] nominated by [nation=short]truxol[/nation]

Call in a last minute nomination! The more the better!

Alistia, Truxol

Alright well I guess the region doesn't seem to want to merge the position so I am not sure what we will do if future Minister of Foreign Affairs is also inactive. [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] what would you do in that case?

Also since the ministries will stay as is, I will go back to the proposal of amending their office powers, currently these are all the official office powers granted to each office: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618

Minister of Defense. Powers: Border Control, Communications

Minister of Foreign Affairs. Powers: Embassies, Communications

Minister of Domestic Affairs. Powers: Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture. Powers: Appearance, Communications

The proposal was to officially amend the offices to add secondary office powers:

Minister of Defense: Embassies

Minister of Foreign Affairs: N/A (No minister to comment)

Minister of Domestic Affairs: Appearance

Minister of Culture: Polls

Thoughts? Opinions? Share all.

Malcholm, Truxol, Viva Italia

Mugwop wrote:Alright well I guess the region doesn't seem to want to merge the position so I am not sure what we will do if future Minister of Foreign Affairs is also inactive. [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] what would you do in that case?

Also since the ministries will stay as is, I will go back to the proposal of amending their office powers, currently these are all the official office powers granted to each office: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618

Minister of Defense. Powers: Border Control, Communications

Minister of Foreign Affairs. Powers: Embassies, Communications

Minister of Domestic Affairs. Powers: Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture. Powers: Appearance, Communications

The proposal was to officially amend the offices to add secondary office powers:

Minister of Defense: Embassies

Minister of Foreign Affairs: N/A (No minister to comment)

Minister of Domestic Affairs: Appearance

Minister of Culture: Polls

Thoughts? Opinions? Share all.

Impeachment.Strict impeachment for inactive offciers

Truxol

Mugwop wrote:Alright well I guess the region doesn't seem to want to merge the position so I am not sure what we will do if future Minister of Foreign Affairs is also inactive. [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] what would you do in that case?

Also since the ministries will stay as is, I will go back to the proposal of amending their office powers, currently these are all the official office powers granted to each office: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618

Minister of Defense. Powers: Border Control, Communications

Minister of Foreign Affairs. Powers: Embassies, Communications

Minister of Domestic Affairs. Powers: Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture. Powers: Appearance, Communications

The proposal was to officially amend the offices to add secondary office powers:

Minister of Defense: Embassies

Minister of Foreign Affairs: N/A (No minister to comment)

Minister of Domestic Affairs: Appearance

Minister of Culture: Polls

Thoughts? Opinions? Share all.

Also thinking that Judicial President embassy powers should be removed and replaced with communications. Seems far more relevant and useful to the position.

Truxol, Civilisunio

Mugwop wrote:Alright well I guess the region doesn't seem to want to merge the position so I am not sure what we will do if future Minister of Foreign Affairs is also inactive. [nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] what would you do in that case?

Also since the ministries will stay as is, I will go back to the proposal of amending their office powers, currently these are all the official office powers granted to each office: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618

Minister of Defense. Powers: Border Control, Communications

Minister of Foreign Affairs. Powers: Embassies, Communications

Minister of Domestic Affairs. Powers: Communications, Polls

Minister of Culture. Powers: Appearance, Communications

The proposal was to officially amend the offices to add secondary office powers:

Minister of Defense: Embassies

Minister of Foreign Affairs: N/A (No minister to comment)

Minister of Domestic Affairs: Appearance

Minister of Culture: Polls

Thoughts? Opinions? Share all.

Nah.

Bad enough that most positions already have to ask and wait for another position to make a simple factbook change or to make a poll, we dont need to increase this further.

Since the poll in the back up region is till running, I will postpone the nation of the week poll until it clears up.

Truxol

Alistia wrote:Nah.

Bad enough that most positions already have to ask and wait for another position to make a simple factbook change or to make a poll, we dont need to increase this further.

Well then effective next term, if we win your position again, you will lose your embassy powers since it was given to you without prior approval from the region. I sure why [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] gave Minister of Defense this extra power when all the sanctioned and voted by the region office powers are outlined here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618 So especially for you we need to legitimize your embassy powers or remove them.

Truxol

Mugwop wrote:Well then effective next term, if we win your position again, you will lose your embassy powers since it was given to you without prior approval from the region. I sure why [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] gave Minister of Defense this extra power when all the sanctioned and voted by the region office powers are outlined here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618 So especially for you we need to legitimize your embassy powers or remove them.

Probably because i got confused during the government change, when I was trying to install new officers on one phone tab and look at which powers they have on anouther. So no he probably shouldn't have it in fairness.

Truxol

Mugwop wrote:Well then effective next term, if we win your position again, you will lose your embassy powers since it was given to you without prior approval from the region. I sure why [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] gave Minister of Defense this extra power when all the sanctioned and voted by the region office powers are outlined here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=709618 So especially for you we need to legitimize your embassy powers or remove them.

wow im actually confused.

i had the same powers the previous term to, but i just looked at the original document from when i created the new government, and defense doesn't have embassies under it. but since i had them the previous term i think it was unofficially added or something? idk.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=683620 (original doc)

Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:wow im actually confused.

i had the same powers the previous term to, but i just looked at the original document from when i created the new government, and defense doesn't have embassies under it. but since i had them the previous term i think it was unofficially added or something? idk.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=683620 (original doc)

Yeah probably some mix up happened, that's why one way or another we gotta amend things to make it official.

Alistia, Parakka Northland

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_mystical_council_news_agency/detail=factbook/id=827079

Malcholm

Alistia wrote:you havent sent me ANYTHING.

Exactly, just checking to see. Because when I send info to you and others I should get a decent response later on. ;)

Alistia, Malcholm

Thoughts?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=815038

Alistia wrote:Thoughts?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=815038

What does Skynet actually do?

Alistia wrote:Thoughts?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=815038

Well what is outlined is basically what the Minister of Defense is already expected to do in such situations.

Alistia wrote:Thoughts?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=815038

It violates the citizen status act in places. In addition I really don't like the Minister of defence having what virtually amounts to unchecked power.

New Bacon, Malcholm

Mugwop wrote:Well what is outlined is basically what the Minister of Defense is already expected to do in such situations.

well last time you and the judiciary all put in heavy sanctions on being able to kick out the puppets from the allied federation of nations.

Parakka Northland wrote:It violates the citizen status act in places. In addition I really don't like the Minister of defence having what virtually amounts to unchecked power.

Where does it violate it?

And it just gives the position the ability to actually defend the region in a dire situation.

Viva Italia wrote:What does Skynet actually do?

It would be guidelines for what to do under an emergency like an invasion.

Alistia wrote:well last time you and the judiciary all put in heavy sanctions on being able to kick out the puppets from the allied federation of nations.

I don't recall that. I only remember that [nation=short]Gregorstan[/nation] was a point of debate, but he wasn't a puppet.

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation], [nation=short]illfated[/nation], and [nation=short]alistia[/nation] do you all not respond to telegrams?

rarely..

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm

Alistia wrote:Thoughts?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=815038

I like it. THen again, it took me hours to help you set it up, so I may be a little biased. Beside that, you put "weak" instead of "week"

Alistia, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:well last time you and the judiciary all put in heavy sanctions on being able to kick out the puppets from the allied federation of nations.

Where does it violate it?

And it just gives the position the ability to actually defend the region in a dire situation.

It would be guidelines for what to do under an emergency like an invasion.

Okay...

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=93274 please vote - Lemon

Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland

[B]Election Poll Everyone![/B]

This poll is for seat #3 on the JB council, currently held by [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation], for the term June 1st - August 30th. [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] opted not to rerun.

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:[B]Election Poll Everyone![/B]

This poll is for seat #3 on the JB council, currently held by [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation], for the term June 1st - August 30th. [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] opted not to rerun.

That makes [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] Judicial President.

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Nordic Warriors wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=93274 please vote - Lemon

Consider making it a "Nation of the Month" This way there's a longer time period for people to do something that is worthwhile of commendation, and also it will have more prestige than if we have it every week.

Viva Italia wrote:That makes [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] Judicial President.

That is correct.

Malcholm, Truxol

Mugwop wrote:Consider making it a "Nation of the Month" This way there's a longer time period for people to do something that is worthwhile of commendation, and also it will have more prestige than if we have it every week.

That is correct.

I will put it up for a vote next poll. I like it better than the weekly.

Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol

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