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Region: The Mystical Council
Technically the regional guard is not your military we have not become official if you send me a telegram I may tell you more.
Our military is not merging. If that was the case I'd leave the region.
so the regional guard is forming with the wolfs?
At this moment its not "our" military.
its a group of mercs we gave some funding to so that they could form.
It is a possibility.
Just to clarify some things -
1. The Regional Guard is currently an independent military founded by Everloyal and run by Everloyal (General), New Bacon (Colonel), and Forestavia (Captain).
2. The Regional Guard is NOT the official military of The Mystical Council....(yet)
3. The Mystical Council does not officially have a regional military....(yet)
4. There is a possibility that Everloyal, New Bacon, Alpha, and myself may find a way to merge and/or coordinate missions between Alpha's army, Everloyal's army, and New Bacon's army (Star Wars Battlefront). The idea has been floating around out there but is merely a rumor at this point. We must wait and see what the future holds....
Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
Could not have said it better.
Order Of Hospitallers
Anyone! No one! It's completely up to you. The freedom is yours as protected by our working (not-yet adopted) Constitution Section 2:
"2. World Assembly member nations shall retain the right to endorse or to withhold their endorsement from any nation they wish for any reason."
Order Of Hospitallers
Good morning, Alpha! :)
Actually, Good night Alpha! My oh my how time flies.
Malcholm
The Good News: You can endorse other WA nations and therefore elect this region's Delegate.
The Important News: You can only have one nation in the WA at a time. It is a violation of site rules to have more than one WA nation.
The Bad News:
Castlemaine is right.
You will also notice that your taxes will go up with the passage of every World Assembly resolution.
If you are concerned about the WA effecting your stats, you can create another nation just for Stats and never use it to join the WA and you can create another just for WA stuff.
The decision is yours.
Another good thing is you can raid.
Oakplumington
Wow. Hello everyone. There seems to be some turmoil about military, mercs, raiding and etc. I have the Merc tag on my region but for the reason of letting people know that I will assist them no matter If they are raiders, defenders,Independent or etc. I don't worry about their tags so much but what they are about, the people.
Now as far as militaries working together, there is nothing wrong with that. We can help one another. I'm not hard to get along with, I just ask that people be straight with me.
I'm sure some of you have looked at my region wfe and said "O my God, he has territories" Did I send in military and refound them? Yes I did but they were founderless, lifeless regions and if I didn't then a raider org would probably have came in and set up shop. Once I refound these places, I have plans for them to later become functioning colonies. Currently I am in a military exercise, which no one from here is in. When I'm done with that, I plan to restructure my region and concentrate more on it's govt, constitution and etc.
I guess what I'm saying is by talking a lol about myself and my region is that, is that it's okay to work with other regions. We can both benefit and not loose our own identity in the process.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
Thanks for that info Alpha. Once we figure out what we are doing internally then we'll be in a better position to organize and work together.
It disturbs me some people here do not want the regional guard to be official but they have the nerve to tell me how to run it and that I should not do some things.
Government Transparency:
Here's what we're talking about behind the scenes:
I added and edited some things to Malcholm's original. Let's keep the conversation going. Anything else we should add, delete, or alter before taking this to vote? I have included the entire Lunar Council in the telegram conversation.
***The Regional Defense Program (Regional Law - OOC/IC)***
1. The members of the Regional Guard need only to answer to the Delegate, President of Sentagon, President of the Lunar Council, and its own internal Commander, and they may not act on the whim of any other nation.
2. The Regional Guard's purpose is quick response in the event of a raid, and defending our region's interests. Any other assignments would be dictated by a 2/3 vote among the President of Sentagon, President of the Lunar Council, and the Delegate.
3. The regional guard cannot have ideologically biased interests, nor will it regularly be used as an invading force. The Guard's role should be simply to defend our region and other regions protected under the Embassy Protection Act.
4. The Commander of the Regional Guard should have minimal authority, and should not act as a representative voice in the Regional Government unless they're already a member of the government through some other form of office. Nations who have already been elected to represent the region in government will not be superseded by another authoritative position.
5. This law may be modified, altered, repealed, or amended with the approval of two branches of government.
Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
Like I said once the council and you guys change what you want send the finished product to me I then will see what I like and do not like.
If you want the Guard to be the official military of our region, our government will tell you how to run it according to the will of the people. This option increases the security of the region.
If you want to keep the Guard's self-autonomy then it may be better to keep the Regional Guard as far away from the regional government as possible. This option gives you the freedom to run the Guard how you want.
This is the dilemma we face.
Perhaps it's time for a new perspective. Is there a creative way where we can have our cake and eat it too?
What exactly are you proposing?
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Like seriously
Glad to hear. I will be burning the candle soon. I'm going to be coming out with a Constitution, laws and etc. Then the painful act of recruiting. So more organization is on my agenda as well. :)
Order Of Hospitallers
That you have a choice. Keep the Guard as is - free, unofficial, and unhindered by this regional government.
OR
Participate in this:
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Bacon back down talk to me in via telegram.
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Continuation of previous post everloyal don't question as to what i'm saying
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Not in public.
Oakplumington
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Whatever is going on needs to stop. SERIOUSLY
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Post by Everloyal suppressed by Oakplumington.
Hell this should not have been public from the start. Yes oak telegram.
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You better because i'm steaming!
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Thats it from both of you lets confine it within telegrams please.
I sent a telegram to you both. Let's see if we can figure out what's going on.
Trying my best to keep my composure.
Oakplumington
I have an idea. If you think it would help. We could walk away from the computer for like 5 or 10 minutes?
No we are going to deal with this now.
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I'm going to bed
You do that.
Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers
Ok, I'll respond to your telegram in the meantime. And Everloyal and I will talk a little. Then you an I can talk tomorrow.
I'm back.
Good go to telegram please.
Ok.
Will the Regional Guard participate in ANTICOM operations?
Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers
Well if I agree to this I would lose all say that would be up to the delegate and council.
But that's a big "IF" because this legislation is controversial and may not pass.
Just sit back, eat some Cheetos, listen to some Bob Marley, and them come back and solve your problems ;)
Oakplumington
I honestly have no idea how I'm going to vote. I want to see your Regional Guard keep it's autonomy. But The Mystical Council does need a military, too. It's a toss up.
ANTICOM is not an entity, but an alliance of regions. So when ANTICOM is a protected embassy, so are all ANTICOM regions.
I could also start a small ANTICOM militia here that would essentially do nothing unless a mission pops up when they would be called to action, most likely working with nations from other ANTICOM regions.
Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers
I hate how I would have to depend on delegate and the council which will be biased since I am currently not in the delegates good book I pretty much lose my regional guard anyways when you guys get that done I will say what i want changed.
A simple majority of Sentagon plus a simple majority of the Lunar Council (3/5) is enough to override the Delegate's veto. Just FYI. Technically it's easier if you have the Delegate on your side, but it isn't absolutely necessary.
currently delegates against me.
Divided government can be good at times. We have a variety of parties, motivations, goals, aims. It's not too big a deal. I was against the High Lunar Admiral from the Red Fleet when they were Delegate.
But seriously, I've got to go to bed. Keep it civil everyone.
Malcholm
*burns down Sentagon building during anti-government protests*
Oakplumington
*orders soldiers to cut down all protesters with no mercy orders region to go into lockdown*
*orders anyone who has even seen a protester to be shot*
*orders all civilians and nonessential personnel evacuated from Mystical Council nations and places wormhole on maximum alert.*
*gathers a mass military and throws everything he has at them*
Everyone must submit or die.
*the civilian militia rises up against the authoritarian government, using all the guns they have, and wage a guerrilla war against the govt.*
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ISIS much?
Guerrilla warfare does not work if their is no citizens to hide among *sends civilian to gulag like camps any person that causes suspicion is shot.
*orders all exports and travel to Everloyal closed pending emergency meeting of AU912 legislature*
*Conscripts anyone who can fire a gun and prepares to launch an offensive* military spending goes through the roof.
Yes there are... the entire population of Castlemaine and all its puppets, which adds up to 4 billion. #rekt
4 billion REALLY pissed off Castlemainers. Not something you want to see driving tanks through your government building.
Scorched earth tactics leave nothing anything you can not take burn it.
Order Of Hospitallers
you are not in my good or bad book, didnt we agree to not be hostile? :p
Malcholm
At this point I can't even tell if this is actually happening.
Castlemaine 1St Air Squadron, Order Of Hospitallers
Well, this looks fun interesting. I'll be on later tonight to read through and RP with you guys.
IC:
The Forestavian government condemns the destruction of Sentagon. "It shall be rebuilt," vows High Council Leader Nobleton.
I think it'd be a good idea to add an opt-out for [nation=short]Everloyal[/nation]. As the leader of the Regional Guard, he should still have the authority to dictate how the guard conducts itself. I'd change the "2/3" part of Section 2 of the RDP to the 'simple majority' concept, and give Everloyal the ability to veto any of the assignments that come down from regional authorities. The members of the Regional Guard, however, should also be able to override Everloyal's veto with a 'simple majority' vote.
Everloyal and the members of the Regional Guard should also be able to propose assignments; something as simple as sending the region's name, update time, and participating members of the RG to the Delegate, Lunar Council President, and Sentagon President and getting 2/3 approval. It's need to be a little sneaky, but it would work. We could just put up a poll in Sentagon or Mystical Council with "Operation _____" as the name/ description and do it that way. It's entirely up in the air at this point.
[spoiler=Something that's probably controvertial]Yeah, it's buerocratic, but what's democracy without buerocracy? There sometimes is a necessity for the inefficiency of government. Things take time, especially when you have to vote. It's unfortunate, but for sure-fire efficiency, you need a benevolent dictatorship with majority support of its populace.[/spoiler]
Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers
I'm still entirely unsure as to why my Stances factbook is pinned to the WFB, but I guess it's cool.
I'm wondering if we're gonna get to convict [nation=short]the_Lunar_high_admiral[/nation] before they CTE.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers
I would very much like to do that, but I have a family emergency today and will be AFK until tonight. Until then, AU912 will be taking a break from The Mystical Council...
But the remains of the Sentagon are now the base camp of the guerrilla rebels and is heavily armed and defended.
*nuclear strike inbound*
Civil rioting begins in New Bacon's capital city of Washington DC. and New Bacon's largest city which is New Bacon City. Sentagon building was burned down and Everloyal citizens are angry. New Bacon citizens are burning the New Bacon flag.
You're gonna nuke your own citizens? Damn, bro. You realise your citizens and many civilians will be killed, right? And you just nuked the Sentagon...
EVERLOYAL IS NUKING THE SENTAGON PEEPS
Military has been moved out of there and most citizens have already been shot or conscripted.
All captured prisoners are to be shot immediately.
russia
You burnt Russia?
russia invented that tactic.
well there famous for it.
Added a dispatch describing the ACP
disclaimer: the dispatch is NOT intended to make you join or accept our ideals. JUST to inform the public.
Oakplumington
Thank you for all those who helped me win the lunar council position as shown in this pole:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=47122
When will i gain my position on the council?
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Order Of Hospitallers, Anarcho Capitalist Party
add me to the roster
I am going to make a list of all the nations who have joined the Anarcho Capitalist Party.
I see the region got blown up today. Ok. That's cool, I guess. Who here has ever watched the movie "Batteries Not Included"?
IC: A bunch of little space ships flood the area and fix everything.
OOC: Sic! That would be too easy!
IC: Funeral directors celebrate a boom in casket futures! Funeral Home stocks skyrocket!
Malcholm
So much to do so little time. First thing's first. My job tonight is:
Update political parties
Update Lunar Council (elections are over)
Put section 32 Attempt #2 up there.
I'm going to check on the Anticom Alliance Act to see if it had enough support to pass.
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Malcholm, if you want you can gather the members of the Lunar Council together. According to [spoiler=Section 21]
21. In matters of justice, both IC and OOC, the Lunar Council shall collectively serve as a supreme court. First each nation should investigate, gathering all necessary evidence from all parties involved. Next, judgment should be issued as far as guilt, innocence, constitutionality, and adherence to regional law is concerned. If a sentence is either required or fitting to the situation, then the Lunar Council, in all their wisdom, should strive for a fair and just sentence. If the Lunar Council is itself involved, then a regional court may be formed consisting of the Delegate, the Founder, the President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon.[/spoiler] justice is up to the Lunar Council. So with The Lunar High Admiral, I would just send out a telegram to the other Lunar Councillors to initiate some sort of trial. We've never had court before so a lot of new precedents and traditions will be set by our current Council. I'm going to let you and the other Lunar Concillors take the lead on this one. This is something the founder should not be involved with anyway since I'll be biased. I fought against them that night.
Malcholm
New Bacon Senate and House passes legislation to put up a regional poll to last approximately two weeks.
Senate 52-50
House 257-238
New Bacon Regional Congress Data
Signed into law by Antonio Taharqa
The Twenty-Eighth Delegate of The Mystical Council
28. Order Of Hospitallers: 2/23/2016 - Present
[nation=short]Order of Hospitallers[/nation] was elected to the Delegacy by the endorsements of the World Assembly nations.
Lunar Council Elections Under the Snow Moon for Seats 5 and 1
Lunar Council Elections concluded on 2/24/2016. Malcholm (Seat 1) retained their seat on the Lunar Council. Tumetu-Iin Noyan won seat 5 replacing Chingislan
A fourteen day poll when we have so many other things to deal with????
Everyone, this is an amazing piece of history happening here. You are witnessing the region's very first filibuster. Sentagon is sending a clear signal to the region that they will be respected. I love it!
New Bacon, I tip my hat to you.
Malcholm
There will be another filibuster if it fails again. All of yall need to experience a filibuster. I represent Sentagon which is the largest government
Oakplumington
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True, it could be construed that New Bacon is out for himself and his own power. So New Bacon will have to make a case that this is not just for the good of the Presidency but also for the good of all of Sentagon.
Hey New Bacon, take a look at what we currently have under section 13 and add the changes that you would like to see. Then we can put the amendment to a vote.
13. Sentagon shall elect a President which will have:
a. authority to propose legislation to Sentagon for passage.
b. authority over polls.
c. authority over communications.
I think this is up-to-date: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=497274
[I]Please[/I] tell me if there are any mistakes. Or if you want to change parties. Or if you want to cross-register.
I need to go away for awhile
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.