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Region: The Mystical Council
regionally we are and you are.
But aren't you part of your region, and what applies to the region applies to you? Or are you somehow above the laws of your region?
I suppose the answer to that is that time will tell.
That is a terrible answer. In fact, that is not an answer at all. You are now dodging my questions like Hillary Clinton.
That comparison hurt anyways I do plan on helping.
Why do you have to make it so confusing oak...
Forestavia
Cant you just do small fractions?
thats incorrect.
Should we replace this: "10. Constitutional amendments or alterations must be passed by at least six-tenths of Sentagon, by at least three-fifths of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate." with this: "10. Constitutional amendments or alterations must be passed by at least six-tenths of active Sentagon members, by at least three-fifths of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate." Please note the only difference is the word active. This will prevent inactive members of Sentagon from bringing government to a standstill.
3/5 = 60%
6/10 = 60%
Inactive members of sentagon will still drag down the regions progression.
id say
1/3 of council, with president and delegate.
2/3 of council with the president OR Delegate
3/3 of council without the president AND Delegate
Order Of Hospitallers
due to the fact that the reason you are proposing this will be ineffective due to your miscalculation, and will remain the same i muss vote against this.
if you had better and acurate calculations i would have voted for.
is sentagon just the non officers/regular people in the region?
I know! I was wondering, that. Their huge! I'm hopelessly optimistic, though. I'll try anything, even if the situation is grim and the odds are against us!
Let me explain it this way.
Section 10 right now requires 60% of Sentagon regardless of whether they actually vote or not.
Section 10 (active members, that is to say voting members) also requires 60% but here's the difference.
I will illustrate with an example. Just to make it easy let's say the there are 10 non-WA nations in Sentagon. That means that there are 10 votes. Let's also say that 5 of those nations are on the brink of ceasing to exist. But the other 5 show up to vote.
With the Section 10 right now you absolutely need 6 of those votes. With the example, there is no way Sentagon can physically pass it.
With the New Section 10, Sentagon could still pass it with 3 votes out of 5 voting members. You still have the 60%. It isn't a true 60% based on population but it is instead a 60% based on active voting nations.
Yep! You are in it. I still have to add Firstguygames to the list and update some other things but you can find the complete government list at the info center under Regional Government.
For your convenience: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=497274
WA members have 2 votes and non-WA have 1.
Just make a poll with simple wording :P
*grabs for the throat*
*violently shakes Delegate*
How about this (I'm going to try to get creative):
>>>>"10. Constitutional amendments or alterations must be passed by at least [I]sixty percent of the votes cast in[/I] Sentagon, by at least three-fifths of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate."<<<<<
There, that outta fix the situation.
*Folds arms triumphantly*
Would you, consider voting for this if I put up such a poll?
New Bacon, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan
* Has the chief lobbyist of our senate come to propose a rewrite *
* Gets a drink of soda *
I thought the whole point of the poll was to lower the amount needed from 60% XD
How about >>>>"10. Constitutional amendments, legislation or alterations must be passed by at least 60% of the votes cast in Sentagon, by at least 50% of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate."<<<<<
New Bacon, Tumetu-Iin Noyan
* Leon Trotsky, The Peoples Hero In The Fight Against Fascism gets on the stage *
The leader is trying to centralize the government and take away power from the people!
We will not allow him to make us become a totalitarian state!
Forestavia
someone needs to Pin This Dispatch
*Regains composure* ;)
Actually, I was kind of hoping to improve upon what we already had - ever so slightly. Just an itsy bitsy little tweak. I think the percentages are good. I'm trying to avoid having Sentagon's voice in government become ineffective down the road. With Sentagon, I think it's going to be more practical to require 60% of votes cast instead of 60% of the total potential votes. I guess if we're happy enough with it, we could just leave it alone for now and change it down the road if necessary. This constitution is still very experimental even at this late stage.
New Bacon
I agree with having 60% of sentagon
Hehehehe
Falsities! Lies!
I'm trying to make government more [I]efficient[/I] and [I]functional[/I] *ahem*. I am also trying to save Sentagon's voice in government. We cannot afford to succumb to the whims of the Delegacy and Council.
Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
Ok, I'll put up the new section 10 poll soon. Probably tomorrow.
[These are the results so far.
Yea: Forestavia, Malcholm, and AU912 Mystical Council Consulate.
Nay: Netherfar, New Bacon, VirginIslands, Tumetu-iin Noyan, Order of Hospitallers, Fascism Vector, and Lunar Apoclypse.]
Order Of Hospitallers
My activity will be a little spotty for a day or two. Hope everyone is good!
Malcholm
Post by Anddd suppressed by Order Of Hospitallers.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=anddd_1457206318
Is everyone here still active in ANTICOM? If so, please telegram the desired name of your region's detachment of ANTICOM to [nation=short]ANTICOM Manager[/nation]. It is preferred if your detachment is named after a prominent anti-communist such as Reagan or Thatcher.
Order Of Hospitallers
Could you explain what you mean?
Sure.
Your region is a member of ANTICOM, which is a multi-regional force established to combat communism on NationStates. Due to our increasing size, we saw that it was best to create a detachment/squadron for the members of each region allied with us to better coordinate operations. You have the opportunity to name your region's squadron in ANTICOM.
Yes i know what anticom is :P
im friends with one of the representatives in your region and they got me on ns.
whats the link to the detachment/squadron?
There's no link. I'm keeping everything except high command confidential from the public for OPSEC. All you have to do is name it and then everyone from your region involved in ANTICOM is part of that detachment.
I vote we name it the Stalin detachment.
Forestavia, Malcholm
Gtfo commie
Virginislands
He has a point, Hospitallers. We could blend in.....
Malcholm
Unfortunately, this is not a verdict that came down from the Lunar Council Supreme Court. I can't consider this legitimate due to the fact that it's the result of mob justice, and the Lunar Council has yet to hold a trial for the accused.
On that note, the trial is officially scheduled for Friday, March 11, 2016 at 6pm EST.
If [nation=short]the_lunar_high_admiral[/nation] is not present at the time of the hearing, the Lunar Council Supreme Court will immediately pursue a verdict. Following the verdict, the Lunar Council Supreme Court will continue to hold individual trials for all of the accused at the same time every day until all accused nations have received a verdict. We'll end with our own founder, [nation=short]oakplumington[/nation], who unlawfully banned and ejected [nation=short]the_lunar_high_admiral[/nation] from the region. It may not be a popular case, but justice must be served.
An official court schedule will be released shortly.
Forestavia
I have to agree with Malcholm's analysis. It was a great public opinion exercise, but an attempt to enforce the results of that poll would run counter to our working constitution.
Malcholm
Announcement:
The Forestavian government has voted to leave the Regional Defense Party for AU912's party.
I may be a tad late, but I should arrive by 6:30ish. This will definitely be interesting. This is incredibly historic for our region.
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FYI - For anyone who is in a different time zone there is a link at the Info Center that lists the different time zones.
Malcholm
I disagree.
The council, the president , the delegate and sentagon all voted on the poll.
All parts of government were represented and the decision was chosen to ban them from being a officer.
Are you trying to undermine sentagon and the delegate by saying that the poll isn't valid?
Seems your trying to make the decision chosen by your group of aristocrats.
whats AU912's party?
Interesting.
You should make your own political party XD
The Antifa Extremes
Forestavia, Malcholm
are oak and fort the same person?
I guess what I'm saying is even if you were trying to pass this as a law, it wouldn't have passed. Because no option got enough support from two branches. The last two options seem to be RP options with no real consequences. The first is no action. The middle two options have real consequences. The council was divided. The delegate voted on permanent banjection. We could say that Sentagon voted for option three. The Delegate voted for option two. The council did not provide three votes on any one option and so failed to support any of them.
*No punishment.: Malcholm.
*Permanent banjection from the region.: AU912 Mystical Council Consulate, Inca Tribals, Communista Doctrine, and Order of Hospitallers.
*Allowed to stay in region, but not allowed to be on the council.: New Bacon, Vaspassia, Trebisond, Tumetu-iin Noyan, Anarcho Capitalist Party, and Firstguygames.
*Public execution of the nations leaders.: Forestavia and Fascism Vector.
*Complete Destruction of the nation via military action.: Everloyal, VirginIslands, and Lunar Apoclypse.
Even if you somehow did pass a law that banned The Lunar High Admiral from all government offices. That law would be open to constitutional challenge. More than likely, it would be struck down. It undermines the authority of the Lunar Council.
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21. In matters of justice, both IC and OOC, the Lunar Council shall collectively serve as a supreme court. First each nation should investigate, gathering all necessary evidence from all parties involved. Next, judgment should be issued as far as guilt, innocence, constitutionality, and adherence to regional law is concerned. If a sentence is either required or fitting to the situation, then the Lunar Council, in all their wisdom, should strive for a fair and just sentence. If the Lunar Council is itself involved, then a regional court may be formed consisting of the Delegate, the Founder, the President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon.
Malcholm, Fascism Vector
I am Oakplumington.
(There could be newspaper material here.)
-RP announcement-
A possible interregional trade agreement may be on the horizon. We have been invited to pursue a trade agreement with Bunicken. Think about what your nations are well-known for. Forestavia is a large producer of antibiotics, timber, and iron ore.
Malcholm, Fascism Vector
Niet. Capatalist pig I shall not leave until the hardworking proletariat of the mystical council are freed from the chains of the Bourgeoisie in the glouries flames of revolution!!!!!!!!!
Forestavia, Malcholm
damn arguing again.
RP (national politics)
Your News Forestavia
The minority socialist party in Forestavia is once again shaking things up. "Hail Vedan! Hail to the cause of justice and equality! We must create the Lunar Soviet!" protestors say during a rally. Liberals and Nationalists are using their dominating numbers in the Senate to "put the socialist element in its proper place".
The High Council has issued an official statement saying that "Forestavia remains dedicated to capitalism and to the individual's freedom to pursue property. Our country strives to prevent injustices that are a direct consequence of the crony strain of capitalism. However, we remain committed to keeping any and all regulations simple, direct, effective, and within reasonable costs. Any regulations that do not effectively protect the consumer or the worker should be repealed immediately. If necessary, these regulations should be replaced with modern regulations. No regulation should ever exist that causes confusion or interferes with the individuals they were meant to protect. If the Socialist Party in Forestavia decides to pursue worker unity along these lines, then we are confident that they could make allies with the Liberals. The true focus of the socialist should not be in regulating, taxing, or nationalizing the corporations who are too often seen as corrupt but in the inherent dignity of the individual. It is the individual who needs protection from both state and corporations; both of which will not hesitate - if given the opportunity - to make the worker a slave. It is for this reason that Forestavia has decided to join the region's Minimalist Party."
The socialist outcry that followed included accusations that the High Council of Forestavia was attempting to weaken their vision and platform. The socialist party leader, Sandy Bernards, fired back, "We will not adopt the political platform of the Liberal Party which is so dedicated to capitalism, that they wouldn't know cronyism if it hit them in the face. Down with the capitalist pigs!"
It was this final remark that damaged the Socialist Party's reputation in Forestavia. Many took this comment out of context and said that the Socialist Party was attempting to undermine the High Council. There would be consequences at the voting booth. The official statement issued by the High Council was more popular with the people.
Vedan, Malcholm
OOC
((I have been running low on puppets for awhile. I left Werewolves Of The Flame to go on a mission. One of the requirements for retaining embassies with them is to have a physical presence in the region. Is there anyone here who would be willing to send a puppet over there to represent The Mystical Council?))
Fine fine fine.
You bureaucrat scum :P
* The Peoples hero storms out of the room, about to have a heart attack from stress *
Forestavia, Malcholm
I just wish the totalitarian regime would be overthrown :P
You should have telegramed this to me for the newspaper -_-
You can use this in the newspaper. Go ahead. That's a great idea. :)
By the way, the paper is looking good. Great work!
How are things, Everloyal?
Fine I will be more active now whether that be good or bad because I am finally getting over my sickness.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Fascism Vector
Also I have decided I will try and actively participate in anticoms interests if they have nothing against me doing that.
Forestavia
Meanwhile, Brick Potato was released from the hospital with doctor's orders to take it easy. His heart would be monitored. He met with Fascist Vectorians and gave them advice. "With heart trouble, I recommend low-blood pressure, low amounts of caffeine, and high doses of fish oil and flax seed. But..." he added wisely, "Keep a bathroom close by!"
He was slightly more mild-mannered than before. But still tough on the inside. He would continue to represent Forestavia in Sentagon.
Malcholm, Fascism Vector
* The Peoples Hero Erupts in anger *
YOU WERE THE ONE WHO INCREASED MY BLOOD PRESSURE YOU AUTHORITATIVE TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR!
* Everyone in the room looks shocked *
* The Peoples General apologizes and say's they will attend the meeting *
Forestavia
I'm really glad you're feeling better. So the Regional Guard and The Wolf Syndicate have merged? This is very good for both of our regions. Defense and Raiding missions can be better coordinated.
I'm trying to get my puppets organized. I think I'm going to make Western Forestavia my main Defending/Raiding nation. I also want to have a puppet stationed in The Wolf Syndicate, Star Wars Battlefront, and Anticom at all times. My system is going to be this. At least for now. I will change, I'm sure.
Forestavia is my main nation and should be telegrammed first.
Oakplumington is my second main nation.
Western Forestavia is central command for R/D missions.
A puppet on a Wolf Syndicate mission will bear the national motto "Wolf Toads Hunt with the Pack!"
A puppet on an ANTICOM mission will bear the national motto "Free Toads against Authoritarianism" or something similar.
A puppet on a Star Wars Battlefront mission will bear the national motto "The Force is Strong in this Toad!"
Malcholm
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers, Fascism Vector
If Bunicken gets an embassy, I'm going to propose adding them to the protected embassy list as well.
Malcholm
I'm going to try to update some things in the Info Center throughout the week.
Malcholm, Fascism Vector
Someone tried to log into my account! :O
There have been 2 bad login attempts since your last successful login.
Did you accedently spell your password wrong before it let you on? I do it all the time and it cou ts those as bad login attempts.
Nope :P
and i dont actually have to type my login i just do a click.
Central Timor
Oh well that's...troubling. At least they didn't get in.
Central Timor
I would change your password and make sure it's an extra secure one just to be safe. If this keeps happening, you may want to get in touch with moderation.
Central Timor
I would like to start a poll to start a regional religion and currency.
I will most likely set it up tommorow so telegram me for what you would like it to be and ill put it on the poll.
(the changes wont go into effect until the bill is ratified by 60% of the council)
Forestavia
My region was just confronted with a issue stating this:
Lol i just saw anarcho and thought of the anarcho capitalist party
The recent national elections in Order of Hospitallers saw declining support for the established parties and a big success for the unabashedly populist anarcho-communist party Death to the State. The extremist fringe party, despised by all other parties, gained a surprisingly high number of seats. The government is now in chaos as the more traditional parties scramble to block Death to the State from having any influence on the government.
Malcholm, Oakplumington
We sell trout c:
Oakplumington
There is a poll in our back up region on section 8. I will send out a telegram shortly.
link to region plz.
Does this mean the delegate wont have border control?
In my opinion, the delegate is the only one with equal power to the founder, which creates a balance of the branches.
If the delegates border control got taken away then the founder would have superiority.
So i must vote no in order to make the delegate and founder have equal powers.
Please read the whole constitution, my friend. No worries! Border control has its own special section under 9. The founder, delegate, and both Presidents will continue to have border control.
Malcholm
Please no religion... It screws up everything.
Malcholm
It wouldn't be enforced or anything
That's precisely why we don't need to recognize it nationally! Take a look at Oak and I's old Religious Affairs Act, if you need some ideas. I think it'd be better to recognize all equally than promote one specifically if we're not going to enforce it.
Forestavia
Where is that religious affairs act at?
I think you both misunderstood, i just mean to poll the population - like a survey.
Forestavia, Malcholm
A survey would be good just to get an idea of what other nations follow. You may want to include Vedulism, Lucernism, Potatoism, and Fortruthism on the poll.
The Religious Affairs Act has yet to be voted on and probably needs some revision.
Lucernism Day is the only religious-related thing that we've passed and it happens in July sometime.
Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
I am going to seem like the biggest flip-flopper of all time. But I am requesting once again for the Lunar Council to withdraw embassies from The Union. The negotiations have broken down. The Union is not free. The Unionites have lost.
Malcholm
-_-
Malcholm
We should fly The Mystical Council flag at half staff today.
[Dark and dramatic music plays in background....]
Yeah, I really thought that The Union finally had a chance to be free. Oh, well. It's no skin off my back. It's like Numerous Currencies/Regnum/Bordurria said, "...somebody has to don the bad guy cloak sometimes..."
Malcholm
Call me cold hearted but there goes opportunity... I would like to ask you to keep trying until he outwardly says no.
Possibly... I kept the door open in telegrams. I told NC that it isn't too late to change his mind. Perhaps when he sees the region crumbling to pieces before his eyes. He'll change his mind. Who knows? I'm open to it. The Union is one of those regions that has a very weird way of doing the unexpected and surprising you when you didn't think you could be surprised anymore.
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In other news, I was just banned from The Proletarian Union. I'm heading back to endorse you in our other mission, Everloyal.
Malcholm
Thank you I would like to that one very with and then move on.
[B]Founder's position is non-negotiable [/B], that's in the clearest way I can opine on the founding nation of The Union. I never committed myself to relinquishing control of NC . I just opened a poll in response to Forestavia's ultimatum. A bait for which he fell hook, line and sinker. But he was earnest and I handed him total control, including borders.
I have a different proposal as [nation=short ]Forestavia[/nation] refused the earlier one in which he was made the sole authority and the defacto founder .
[B]What if the Lunar Council has a say on every matter in the Union. What if the Lunar Council takes control of the powers I had granted Forestavia, who I feel made a mistake by relinquishing. I am exploring the thousand possibilities that the Union has just outside it's door. The Union does not die if a Forestavia or a Glorious Days or EL forsakes it . There are so many interested parties actually and I wish to give each a chance .[/B]
If you think that we should negotiate this, then I'd request you to keep the embassy open. The art of diplomacy teaches us to keep channels of communications open.
Order Of Hospitallers
It is your right not to relinquish control of NC if you do not wish to. That's fine. You are well within your rights there. You and I can even debate semantics and the meaning of the word "committed" and I'm sure we could spend a lovely amount of time on that. But this telegram that you sent to Oakplumington is the thing that started all this. You came to me. I didn't come to you. And this is what you wrote:
"I am thinking of handing over the founding nation of The Union. I think you are the best choice. IF I give it to you, what is your plan and what would your reaction be if I ask for a general amnesty?"
Then we had nearly two weeks worth of discussions and negotiations and finally came up with an agreement and had a poll to top it all off. I thought Ecuadorian Love was exaggerating when he said that this was a scam. [nation=short]Ecuadorian Love[/nation] was apparently completely 100% right.
I look forward to developing diplomatic relations with The New Union World Order.
You are "well within your rights there" Forestavia , in your own words. I am assuming The Lunar Council is independent of your influence, as least in theory?
That would be awesome
Of course. Every nation here is free to affiliate with or negotiate with whoever they want. This is a free region.
Malcholm
Well, so the Order of the Hospitallers is interested , I presume? You may send a puppet to The Union to invigorate the region. What does the Lunar Council say on this proposal?
*Runs out of room to grab anti-nausea medication*
* Facepalms at childish behaviour of certain people*
Well, What I propose is something akin to The Union being a protectorate of The Mystical Council. I maintain the WFE as per the Lunar Council's dictate. Nitty Gritty is for you to fill up.
[B]I WARN EVERYONE TO NEVER EVER DO THAT.[/B]
Let Regnum rot and die alone in The Union. [B]You will only boost his ego if you send in any nation to The Union[/B]. In fact, if you have any nation in there, you better move it out immediately. There is no point in talking to him anymore, you heard him, he is not going to hand in anything, and that's why any further discussions with him are nothing but a waste of time, that does nothing but make him feel that he is better than you.
And know that Regnum is right about one, "The Union does not die if a Forestavia or a Glorious Days or EL forsakes it". That didn't kill The Union, what killed The Union is Regnum being the founder of The Union.
My recommendation: Don't ever be fooled and do any of that "protectorate" nonsense. [B]He's just trying to find a foothold to a power position into your place; beware of this or your region will have the same fate as The Union[/B]. There's only one effective cure to this disease; BAN Numerous Currencies and all of his nation from The Mystical Council; forget about him and his wasteland. Do not allow this dictator scum to spread to your region.
Forestavia, Order Of Hospitallers
Post self-deleted by Forestavia.
Your face looks red. What happened? Here use this extra skin-nourishing lotion. Avoid contact with the eyes. We don't want you to lose your vision along with all your other senses.
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As for NC's proposal. If this is an official government action, I will oppose this in Sentagon when it comes to vote.
Malcholm
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