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Region: The Mystical Council
It makes sense but you do get independent parties. Keep in mind that political parties can be quite polarising, and can create more mess than they solve. I've had to dispand political parties in my own region as they were abused both with their intention and possibly with puppets. Now trying an assembly approach to things (well once the embassy has been created between Solar and Solar Political Assembly)
New Bacon
We could make an "sentagon party" that nations are automaticly placed in until they want to form or join a different one.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Rondaland
Mostly RP nowdays; we've had an influx of new faces like myself. There was some controversy regarding a recent vote, I'm sure someone has more info than me.
Drina, Upplasia
That would be a good idea
Malcholm
The Unsettled Lands, The Rose Garden, and The Union Depository are still protected under the Embassy Protection Act.
Malcholm
Write up a proposal for it.
My opinion is that it wouldn't be fair to those nations who wish to be unaffiliated. I will vote against it since not only does it force nations to assemble against their will but also forces the region into a mandatory political party system. Political parties should be optional.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
That's the spirit! :)
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
I will add the Solidarity Bloc to the party list at the info center.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Welcome! We do everything - politics, RP, regional government, regional laws, elections, military stuff on the side, debates, and lots and lots of controversy. I hope you enjoy your time here. Please check out the polls in Mystical Council and Sentagon.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Drina
That piece of legislation will be vetoed as people should have the freedom to join a party or not. That also violates my constitution as this law will overturn New Bacon constitutional statute 507. I'm just as serious about my constitution as the Mystical Council's.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
The Consulate also cannot support a law that would require voters to support a party. Long live the independent voter!
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Global United Nations is also still protected under the Embassy Protection Act.
Malcholm
54 nations! Holy mackerel! We have more nations than embassies!
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
Still looking for recruits for our private military! Telegram me if your interested
New Bacon, Anahuac Empire, Asteroid Colony Gj-042
Do you have a list of members that we can refer to?
Vaspassia
Yes, bu the list is ever-growing, so I wont release it just yet.
Vaspassia
This is a preliminary list, hopefully we will have many more:
Malcholm
I have an interest in joining; I have had a lot of experience in the past with defending, specifically countering update raids.
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
that is just a preliminary list, I am still waiting for quite a few people to respond. I will add you to my list.
Rrepaimziaraseh
Cancelled closure with The Collective Regional Association, Islamya, Heroes Rise. They still seem considerably active; the others are fine to go.
Malcholm
The idea of parties seems interesting; I support it, but it should not be obligatory.
In the United States, some of that true. Yes, in most states you have to be a registered voter to vote, not a registered party member, but a registered voter. That's as far as the general elections on elections day go. However, it might be a condition to be a registered party member, to vote in your party's primary.
So to reflect this here, in the overall election, there should not be a requirement for an individual to be registered with a party to vote. However, for an individual to run for office, and say that they officially run on behalf of this party or that, then they must have been elected by their registered party member, as a representative of their party, in that particular seat of office.
Further important points regarding my suggestion:
[B]1[/B]) Primary party voting to choose who represents the party for the office, should be held in Sentagon, while the official election with all candidates would be held here.
[B]2[/B]) A party may have only 1 candidate representing it for elections in a seat of office. So it's okay that one party has more than one seat in The Lunar Council, but when there's an election for a particular seat within the council, only one candidate can be official party representative candidate who's running for that seat.
[B]3[/B]) Please, please, please, let us not have party whips. I hate that thing and I believe it forces officials to act in a way that's against what they and their representative want. To hell with hivemind mentality.
[B]4[/B]) If we do have a party system, we should strive on having no less than 3 major parties. If we have only 1 major party, that can easily spiral into a dictatorship and ruin the region, and if we have only 2 major parties, it will just be polarizing each other; each will be trying to do the others work, and nothing gets done. Case in point: America. But when you hit the mark of 3 major parties, you get a balance and the government can actually progress and do things.
Malcholm
I think that you should just let any party that has over 5% popularity into the ballot and onto debates. Then run a tierd system of voting so you don't end up with a plurality.
But that's just me.
My concern with this political party stuff is if we change the system now are we going to make things more complicated than they need to be and are we going to see the largest party by the only one with people in the top positions.
What's going on over here?! [nation=short]oakplumington[/nation] how are you?
Malcholm
Holy cow!!! y'all are 4 times the size of our region.
Malcholm, Drina
You're all invited to SK's 4th of July party!
~Pleasant regards of Sib
*runs away waving a lit handful of sparklers*
Malcholm
Happy 4th, friends!
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
A combination of recruiting and people joining us from a neighbouring region after their regional government crumbled.
Malcholm
Ahh
Yeah lol I mean 14 x 4 is 56
We are still recruiting for the military! Our list was looking disappointing right now.
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Multeric People
Can i join the military on this alt aswell, (i'm asteroid colony gj-042)
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
Of course.
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon
I'd like to sign as well.
Exotic Lemon
RP: The Dosh Semiwan Government asks [New Bacon] for a potential deal to buy the Northern Mariana Is..
New Bacon, Malcholm
How do you tag nations in a post?
New Bacon
Type (Nations Name)
Dosh Semiw
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
You an also type for the short part
[ nation=short](national name)[/nation]
Dosh Semiw
Roleplay:
The New Bacon Government will talk.
Dosh Semiw
RP
Captain: I am curious about the technology [nation=short]AU912 Mystical Council Consulate[/nation] is using. I'd like to discuss your propulsion systems in particulat.
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
The four embassies that I saved are still protected by the Embassy Protection Act. I stated this yesterday on the RMB but no one took action. So I have taken action myself as permitted according to the EPA.
Global United Nations (the Founder there is a leader in ORCA)
The Unsettled Lands (a friend and ally)
The rest of the embassies are fine to close.
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Malcholm
RP
I'm sorry, sir, I haven't been authorized to discuss our technology with outside personnel. However, if you'd like, you could request a tour of one our conventional space program facilities when we arrive at our homeworld.
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon
Hey guys, Galician here.
Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers, Exotic Lemon
i use @ (nation name)
it remove the pretitle
for example:
(nation) - New Bacon
@ - [nation=short]new_bacon[/nation]
New Bacon, Rrepaimziaraseh, Malcholm
Nice, I didn't know that existed. Good tip.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers, Plugo, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]
"3 hours ago: The Vereint Reich of Malcholm updated the World Factbook entry."
*Hmmm, let's look and see what he did*
"Our ConstitutionTracker™ poll can be found in Mystical Council."
> "[B]™[/B]"
Excellent. I will personally sue anyone he uses anything similar.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers, Plugo
Wow I didn't know that existed either. No more using that silly long bbc code.
Parakka Northland
RP
That would be acceptable. *the captain no longer seems to be lucid as his mind slowly drifts away*
New Bacon
Roleplay [nation=short]dosh semiw[/nation]
The Dosh Semiwan Government arrives in Washington DC to go to the New Bacon Capitol to discuss a possible buy of the Northern Mariana Is. Land. A representative comes to one of them and says, "Hello! So you all would like to buy the Northern Mariana Islands from us I see. How much are you willing to give the [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] Government? " So once they find a price, the Legislature would vote to de-annex the Islands from [nation=short]new bacon[/nation]. A representative says, "Y'all are lucky that we didn't turn the islands into a [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] province. It would have been illegal to de-annex them if they were such a province as stated by [nation=short]new bacon[/nation]'s constitution.
Dosh Semiw
Roleplay:
Breaking News! New Bacon's House of Representatives has realigned itself with the growing population. There was 495 representatives. Now there is 580 voting representatives for the New Bacon Provinces and Territories. This is a tremendous growth of government. The New Bacon legislature will vote to build an annex for the house of reps to calm the New Bacon capitol's overcrowding on the house side.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Role Play:
In response to the controversy, James Chippy was also called before the Forestavian High Council to answer for his interference in foreign regional governments.
High Council Leader Haley Smith was still on the campaign trial but was linked up via a video feed. "Chippy, what have you done?"
"Absolutely nothing wrong. I have merely invited a region to join The Mystical Council - their region has motioned to adopt a similar constitution to the one our regional government is considering."
"Do you speak for The Mystical Council or does the regional government speak for The Mystical Council?"
"I am NOT speaking for the region! Jade came to the Senate, our Senate here in Forestavia, weeks ago seeking help for a dying region. What are we to do? Nothing? Just as our region rejected outright the offer of a merge by Alpha Wolf into The Sacred Order, The Greater Holy Isles likewise has the same right to decline our offer to annex them. And what gives you the right to summon me here like this and be questioned. Oh, let me see - I think I might know why! You have been losing election after election to Ross Paul in the High Council elections so you see an opportunity and politicize it just like a career politicia-"
"Enough! Both of you!" Stanley Troublesolver stood up between the video feed and James Chippy. "We will wait and pay attention to how Pyrosky handles the proposal in the coming weeks in the mean time I see no further reason to question High Councillor Chippy."
And like that the meeting was over.
Malcholm
The DSG Rep steps up and give a basic rundown of the situation. "The DSG has instructed me to inform the NBG to name their price, and if that wasn't incentive enough, I was to offer a Joint Economic Opportunity(JEO sounds nice right?) Details for the JEO can be discussed at a later date." "Also feel free to propose any amendments to the offers.
New Bacon
IM BACK!!!!
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Plugo
Welcome back mon.
New Bacon, Malcholm
RP
The leaders of Plugo have a business proposition for [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] , they would like to sell his Constitution Tracker planet wide.
Malcholm
We have about 15 nations interested in joining the military!
Multeric People
RP [nation=short]dosh semiw[/nation] demands that [nation=short]new fezchia[/nation] allow Civ 5 to be viewed worldwide instead of an [nation=short]new fezchia[/nation] exclusive. "Wink Wink make walkthrough". https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5YrrgE-y9XtcxsQqPCnnDg
New Bacon, Malcholm, Plugo
Aw sht where did I get "new" from lol.
New Bacon, Fezchia
Roleplay:
A new bacon net price of 700,000 for Northern Mariana Islands?! Since we're allies? The price would have ran over a million. Or the Islands can have double-control of both governments. A representative says we want your recommended price too!
Dosh Semiw, Plugo
Hear Ye Hear Ye!
*Bangs table with gavel*
Today marks the beginning of the first lunar council parilament session.
First topic on the floor, to amend the EPA. (Embassy Protection Act)
Here is my proposal: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=653310
Here is oakplumingtons proposal: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=603317
Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
RP
"The DSG agrees to the conditions, but is genuinely surprised at this price. We were prepared to give at least 50 Million!
New Bacon
Roleplay:
The New Bacon Government always supports its allies. So it looks like a deal. The New Bacon legislature will vote tonight to de-annex the islands.
Dosh Semiw
*The grandmaster storms in the room*
Oh yeah!?
Well what about if a fleeter decides to try and push their weight around here?
They wont care about our embassy rules, what will the penalty be for violating the EPA List?
The DSG thanks the NBG and promises to list the Official reasons of this deal in a later speech.
New Bacon, Order Of Hospitallers
Welcome to the region man! :)
I can assure you this will be your last move
Plugo
Roleplay:
This is a message from the New Bacon Geological Survey that the mystical council map has been updated. These are the following happenings,
[nation=short]Vaspassia[/nation] transferred to Cuba and Hispaniola from Mexico.
[nation=short]Anahuac Empire[/nation] is Now Mexico and Central America bordering Mainland New Bacon to the North.
[nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] Northern coast of France and Belgium.
OOC:
Question: Is the New Bacon Geological Survey serving everyone well?
Pyrosky, Barishmacht
RP
Dosh Semiwan Emperor Joseph Semiw addresses the world today bringing news of the nations current events.
"I couldn't come up with a speech, so yeah its kinda awkward. At least we won't be here for awhile listening to a boring speech, yeah?! Well anyways we Decided to buy the Islands for two reasons. One is for research, and the other one? Well that one is too. Um, OK Let's move on. So basically what we want to do with our first project is to Step one Make a Vessel capable of going to the ocean floor WHILE MANNED, then Step two Map the ocean floor Step three Claim ocean floor." Audible WINK WINK. "Project two is the most important though,because it's about Energy. Several test over history has indicated the Nuclear reactor that have sunk in the ocean hasn't done much if any damage. Mainly be cause water is an coolant and believe it or not there an abundance in the ocean." Audible Cringing.
"We thought maybe we can incorporate this in the Nuclear Plant and build them Underwater. Of course its not practical but we don't give a djamn. But then again if we do this by ourselves it will take forever for these project to finish. We ask All the nation of the TMC to Participate or fund these projects. Thats the situation. Good Night Everyone. One last thing as Cheese is my number one export On my birthday, the 10th, everyone get a free cheese layer, Yay."
New Bacon, Pyrosky
It took me 30 min to write this.Wow.
New Bacon
Roleplay:
New Bacon Geological Survey
The Northern Mariana Islands is still pending as far as de-annexation to [nation=short]dosh Semiw[/nation]. Has to be voted on by New Bacon Law.
Dosh Semiw
The New Bacon Government will support funding this program!
Dosh Semiw
I know i just didn't want to forget all of that.
New Bacon
Oh no that was a message to everyone about the map changes.
Dosh Semiw
Did you guys cringe also?
New Bacon
This is the list of all members interested in the military.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=658033
Hopefully we will make a new region for this military in a few days.
New Bacon, Pyrosky, Plugo, Parakka Northland
I didn't say I was interested. Yet.
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Plugo said you were so blame him
That's what I do for just about everything..
Pyrosky
I said he might be because he is helping with the current operation.
No need to blame anyone -__
Blame was the wrong word, I should have said ask
Plugo
All the dispatches ready?
Almost, I still need the training recruits and and a final military structure factbook. (Copy and paste two Factbooks into one.)
Drina
Chef would flip his **** if anyone closed down one of the embassies he made, but yet when others object to embassies he wants to close he has a problem and does it anyway
Plugo, Naumadal
Why do you guys conflict over embassies so much?
Seems like if one member of the government asks to keep an embassy that should be it, no need to question the judgement of another.
Pyrosky, Plugo
How we all wish it was that way.
But everyone must exercise their right to object whenever possible :P
Exotic Lemon
For the embassies that I opened, it was with new regions that I thought might have a chance. So I said we give them a month, if they don't grow, I will be the first to close it. You didn't care, you just went ahead and shut down the embassy that I opened with Drakeforde after a couple of days. And I didn't even object to that.
For the embassies that I wanted to close, in Red Harbor, I hated how I was talked down to like I am a just a child who doesn't deserve to know anything about the region. And in WHO, I hated how your reaction to closing down embassies with this seemingly useless region is, not to explain to me why we should keep the embassy, but to threaten to eject me from the region.
So really when it comes down to it, it's not about the embassies themselves, it's about the failure of treating fellow region mates as equal peers, and the complete lack of disrespect. And that's just shameful. All I wanted here is some respect and being treated as equal. Why is this such a great thing to ask?
Pyrosky
In terms of closing embassies it would seem to me that power should rest with the Lunar Council President and or the delegate. Then in order to close an embassy you would need to submit a valid reason and he would have to then check to make sure no one else objects first....
Wait can we amend the Condition to cover this? *rubs his hands to gather with gleeful satisfaction*
Forestavia, Plugo
I dig
He dig
She dig
They dig
We dig
I know its not a very good poem
But it is very deep
Forestavia, Pyrosky, Vaspassia, Drina, Plugo
Hehe. Cause that's the way I designed it. There is to be conflict between the Lunar Councillors and the other two branches of government. It's good for an embassy to fall into limbo every once in a while. However, there is a process for how to deal with embassies. If there is disagreement among the Lunar Council 3 votes will yield a decision called an executive action. But for every executive action, there are two chances for that same action to be nullified by the other two branches. If there is disagreement over executive actions between two or more branches of government for an extended time then the Delegate and both Presidents can vote on what executive actions to uphold and which to throw out. This requires two votes. If the region disagrees then it is time to kick it up a notch to regional law. Two branches may pass a law at any time overriding the executive orders.
My suggestion is to finish the amendment to the Embassy Protection Act and vote on it.
Pyrosky, Vaspassia, Plugo
Why???? We have a regional law that already deals with embassies. It's called the Embassy Protection Act. I think it's better to keep the embassy powers in the hands of all of the Lunar Councillors since they were all elected by the people. These disagreements force them to find ways to work together. The system is working beautifully.
Pyrosky, Malcholm, Vaspassia
I would like to make a motion to put up the poll on the proposal to amend the EPA.
Pyrosky, Vaspassia
It's the lamest joke i ever heard,and for some reason that is why it's funny. XAXAXAXAXA!
Take my like good sir!
Good idea, but make sure it doesn't violate [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]'s ConstitutionTracker™ poll patent. I personally promised to sue anyone who breaks that patent.
Malcholm, Plugo
Do you support my proposed EPA ammendment?
Malcholm
It's the same as Oak's except it's + New Celtic Order, right? Seems good to me.
I am assuming NCO's founder is you or one of your friends? ? ? If so it would probably best if you guys changed your WFE over there; I don't think Alpha Wolf qualifies as one of your friends anymore about what he did to TSO.
Barishmacht, Plugo
Except for the constant bickering that leads to snide remarks but I'm happy that we leave things as they if others are
Pyrosky
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
Bacon Central News Roleplay:
Breaking News!! The New Bacon Congress has voted to de-annex the Northern Mariana Islands to [nation=short]Dosh Semiw[/nation] also approved by President Taharqa in the recent legislation factbook. Some of the effects are that the New Bacon House of Representatives will possibly lose one seat in Congress making it go from 580 to 579 on the house side unless the government opens up another seat for another province/territory of New Bacon. The citizens that work for the New Bacon government will still be able to keep their jobs but would have to move to the province of New Forestavia or the New Bacon territory of Greater Oceania. Social security checks will still get mailed to the Islands remaining residents since they were once paying sales taxes to buy goods. This was a major piece of legislation
Factbook on New Bacon's Recent legislation
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=658252
Reporting from Bacon Central News Jeff Wayne.
Forestavia
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.