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Barishmacht wrote:Now, if you excuse me... I will now go into my world of loneliness and Metallica.

Don't be lonely, Barishmacht. Stay with us ear in the TMC!

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:Don't be lonely, Barishmacht. Stay with us ear in the TMC!

I ear that the TMC is pretty fun

Forestavia, New Bacon

Yesss!

Exhibit 3:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=13720492

([nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]Truxol[/nation])

Truxol

New Bacon wrote:Ok some of this evidence doesn't make sense but the court will accept it.

Most of evidence don't make sense, and those that do, further condemn him and show that he likes to use members of the goverment, especially the delegates, to do works of destruction in the region, under the guise of "increasing activity" when all it is are attempts of finding entertainment for himself at the expense of the region.

Just like Nero set fire to Rome, so has [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] done so to The Mystical Council.

This is of course not to say that those delegates whom [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] influenced to cause mass destruction in the region should not be punished. Quite the contrary, but punishing them alone will do nothing. It is the puppet master that we must hunt down, and ensure that he doesn't use anyone else in the future, as a tool to attack our own region.

Viva Italia

I know this is being done in pieces but let me sum up the total of what I have so far.

Exhibits A-Z

Exhibits 1-3

Witnesses: Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, and Teurs

(I have gotten responses from Bacon, Parakka, and Lemon)

All of this information can be found on RMB pages 932-937

I am also looking into another witness.

Truxol, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:Most of evidence don't make sense, and those that do, further condemn him and show that he likes to use members of the goverment, especially the delegates, to do works of destruction in the region, under the guise of "increasing activity" when all it is are attempts of finding entertainment for himself at the expense of the region.

Just like Nero set fire to Rome, so has [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] done so to The Mystical Council.

This is of course not to say that those delegates whom [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] influenced to cause mass destruction in the region should not be punished. Quite the contrary, but punishing them alone will do nothing. It is the puppet master that we must hunt down, and ensure that he doesn't use anyone else in the future, as a tool to attack our own region.

I am almost ready for the trial... What evidence do you have? Are you going to submit any to the court or are you going to wait until the trial?

Parakka Northland

Communist Forestavia wrote:Hello fren is you from future and not truxol.

Communism is gud

LMAO

damn forest u look good dressed up in red ;)

Forestavia, New Bacon, Truxol

Forestavia wrote:I am almost ready for the trial... What evidence do you have? Are you going to submit any to the court or are you going to wait until the trial?

i will be ur lawyer

(this will go on my new tv show Better Call Gyu)

Truxol

I am planning on giving out awards tonight and tomorrow. If you have a recommendation send me a telegram.

Congrats to our newest award winner, [nation=short]truxol[/nation], who earned Hero of the Soviet Mystical Council!

New Bacon, Truxol

Forestavia wrote:I am almost ready for the trial... What evidence do you have? Are you going to submit any to the court or are you going to wait until the trial?

The evidence as I mentioned earlier...

Mugwop wrote:Alright [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], if you want a more specific statement, here it is:

1. You must prosecute [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] for inciting chaos and mess in the region for his own entertainment. [B]This is not the first time he has done it[/B], but we should prosecute him so that it becomes the last. Numerous times before he has done this "chaos week" shenanigans. [B]He never does the dirty work himself[/B], he just gives command and permission as the Emperor to a subordinate delegate to go around banning and suppressing people. If you want to prosecute [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], feel free to do so (in fact I recommend that as well) but prosecuting Gyuamno alone doesn't matter, because in the future Forest will just do this same mess again using another delegate. Moreover, [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] will intentionally allow the founder [nation=short]Oakplumington[/nation] to CTE tomorrow just to put the region in a state of danger. This is further testament and proof that from time to time he likes to put the region in a state of anarchy, while he sits back and laughs as turmoil unfolds.

He is a damned sadist and you know it.

For that he must be taught a lesson by banning all of his Forestavia nations, including [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]Southern_Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]Northern_Forestavia[/nation] and other similarly named nations.

Mugwop wrote:My witnesses are the judges themselves, as everyone can remember you have instigated chaos week in the past a number of times, and will do so again in the future unless you are punished. The evidence also mounts against you being a sadist, as you purposely just allowed the founder nation to CTE, in hopes of ensuing chaos for your own entertainment.

Mugwop wrote:Most of evidence don't make sense, and those that do, further condemn him and show that he likes to use members of the goverment, especially the delegates, to do works of destruction in the region, under the guise of "increasing activity" when all it is are attempts of finding entertainment for himself at the expense of the region.

Just like Nero set fire to Rome, so has [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] done so to The Mystical Council.

This is of course not to say that those delegates whom [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] influenced to cause mass destruction in the region should not be punished. Quite the contrary, but punishing them alone will do nothing. It is the puppet master that we must hunt down, and ensure that he doesn't use anyone else in the future, as a tool to attack our own region.

... are your own incriminating actions, and the regional history record of it, especially the latest event (1 day 11 hours ago: Regional Founder Oakplumington ceased to exist) in which you intentionally allowed the founder account to CTE, in order to incite chaos for your own entertainment.

My witnesses are the judges themselves, [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], [nation=short]Truxol[/nation], and [nation=short]New_Bacon[/nation], all of whom can recall in the past the trends of you making "chaos weeks" just so you can be entertained at the expense of everyone else in the region. This destructive trend that everyone here can recall, is the reason why you must be punished for your actions.

That is why the plaintiff argues for one of these punishments:

1. The permanent ban of the [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], and all other similarly named nations belonging to [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation].

or

2. The permanent ban of the [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] only, and revoking all executive powers from the Emperor , such the the Emperor will no longer directly [B]or indirectly (by means of using others as his tools)[/B] attack, manipulate, destroy, or change anything with The Mystical Council, unless legally authorized by the legal and native executives of our goverment, or to repel a raid attempt.

Forestavia, New Bacon

FYI [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] you are the only one who can issue Royal Awards, so if you have people you want to give awards to let me know.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gyuamno/detail=factbook/id=832774

Forestavia, Truxol

Gyuamno wrote:FYI [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] you are the only one who can issue Royal Awards, so if you have people you want to give awards to let me know.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gyuamno/detail=factbook/id=832774

& if you want to add your own special award lmk.

Truxol

Gyuamno wrote:I am planning on giving out awards tonight and tomorrow. If you have a recommendation send me a telegram.

Congrats to our newest award winner, [nation=short]truxol[/nation], who earned Hero of the Soviet Mystical Council!

Much thanks comrade!

However you were my inspiration good friend, a friend to me throughout my slow but steady communist overthrow- I mean, uh, you're a good person and I appreciate this award

Gyuamno

Mugwop wrote:The evidence as I mentioned earlier... ... are your own incriminating actions, and the regional history record of it, especially the latest event (1 day 11 hours ago: Regional Founder Oakplumington ceased to exist) in which you intentionally allowed the founder account to CTE, in order to incite chaos for your own entertainment.

My witnesses are the judges themselves, [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], [nation=short]Truxol[/nation], and [nation=short]New_Bacon[/nation], all of whom can recall in the past the trends of you making "chaos weeks" just so you can be entertained at the expense of everyone else in the region. This destructive trend that everyone here can recall, is the reason why you must be punished for your actions.

That is why the plaintiff argues for one of these punishments:

1. The permanent ban of the [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], and all other similarly named nations belonging to [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation].

or

2. The permanent ban of the [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] only, and revoking all executive powers from the Emperor , such the the Emperor will no longer directly [B]or indirectly (by means of using others as his tools)[/B] attack, manipulate, destroy, or change anything with The Mystical Council, unless legally authorized by the legal and native executives of our goverment, or to repel a raid attempt.

Excellent! This will be easy.

Gyuamno wrote:i will be ur lawyer

(this will go on my new tv show Better Call Gyu)

Ok. That sounds good. I know that you have real world experience so that will be fine. However, I reserve the right to fire you and represent myself if things start looking not so good for me. I'm waiting for a response from a possible witness from Kaiserriech, and Alistia and Teurs. In the event that Alistia is unable to appear at my trial I may have to use Malcholm's testimony. I am trying like heck not to though since Malcholm is the President of the Council and needs to be as objective as possible.

I'm going to put you to work right away. Make sure you submit Exhibit 4 as evidence. I'm also going to need testimony from Chingis and Jegerkompaniet if possible.

[spoiler]

Exhibit 4:

Also known as - How the Region Met [nation=short]Chingis[/nation] and [nation=short]Jegerkompaniet[/nation].

RMB pgs 33-36

Chingislan wrote:Hello!

I would like the entire map thanks :)

New Bacon wrote:Oh no!!!!! Our region has been raided!!! I'm not the delegate at this point! They overthrown my position as delegate!!!!

New Bacon wrote:They messesd up everything including the flag!! I have no powers at this point although when I regain delegate status I'll try to restore the regional flag and everything ; again we have been raided!!!! They overthrown my position as delegate and messed up some things.

New Bacon wrote:I say banChingislan or whatever his name may be!!!! Vote on it Lunar Council!! He has did things against the mystical council regulations!!!!

New Bacon wrote:He has, canceled the welcome telegram for the council by Oakplumington

He has, obstructed the delegate position

He has, revoked the embassy posting prove lives

He Has, altered and abolished the regional flag

He has, dismissed all regional officers including me

He has, violated the name of the constitution of the mystical council

New Bacon wrote:No you don't have the entire map you are a raider anyway you overthrown all positions in the region!

New Bacon wrote:That Vandoosa nation also needs to be banned because the Vandoosa nation is responsible for endorsing ChingisLan

Oakplumington wrote:YES!!!! :) We got raided! This is so exciting! Let's see what we got happening here....

New Bacon wrote:Well it takes council vote and approval by executive which I'm not at the moment-- once I regain delegate status, then I'll create a poll. All of our council members also need to be put back in place. I won't become the delegate again until 1 AM my time. Also the WFE I'll restore as well. Our government has been overthrown hahaha. Also Oakplumington China is what I have down for you.

Oakplumington wrote:Hahaha! That's funny.

Hey Chingislan, you should negotiate for less land maybe New Bacon will give you some. What are you going to do from here? You wanna hang with us?

Oakplumington wrote:The Ninth Delegate of The Mystical Council

9. Chingislan: 11/21/2015 - Present

Nugut, Cimmeria

After serving an impressive record of 112 days as Delegate, New Bacon was replaced by Chingislan. During this time New Bacon served on the Lunar Council. Chingislan had the support of Nugut and Cimmeria. Cimmeria was given credit for the raid. The following nations supported Chingislan's run for office: Vandoosa Zweiundfunfzig, Kocalet, and Jegerkompaniet. Chingislan wasted no time in resigning from the world assembly indicating that New Bacon would most likely return to the Delegacy as the region's tenth delegate.

The following unconstitutional actions were taken by Chingislan:

1. Several posts were suppressed without cause.

2. Lunar Council members were illegally stripped of their authority.

3. Embassy regions were prevented from posting on the regional message board.

Under the leadership of Chingislan, the welcome telegram was abolished. The flag and world factbook entry were altered.

Oakplumington wrote:The only things I really have an issue with here is the revocation of embassy posting and taking away the authority of the Lunar Council (dismissal of regional officers) and suppressing posts.

Everything else Chingislan did is perfectly legal as far as I can tell.

Don't worry everyone. The Lunar Council will be given their powers back shortly. I'm not going to let this Delegate abuse their powers!

Oakplumington wrote:Well it's completely up to the government. This is a region for the nations by the nations after all. There are exactly three things that Chingislan did that are unconstitutional, as far as I can tell. If the Lunar Council decides to prosecute for such actions and New Bacon approves, I cannot stand in the way. Or even (since two members of the Lunar Council participated in the last raid) if the Interregional Council and Delegate decide to take action, that would be their prerogative as well.

But honestly, we [I]are[/I] really desperate for Lunar Councillors. This is the first excuse we've had in months for filling up every spot on the Lunar Council. It's really you're call.

But in their favor-keep this in mind- they did not attack any of our embassies and they did not delete the poll that New Bacon had running at the time. Yes, they messed up the region, but this region has witnessed far more destructive raids in its history. This was exceptionally mild. And easily fixed I might add.

Chingislan wrote:Hallo! How do you do?

Sorry for reking the flag, but that's raiding tradition. As for the RO's, you guys are dangerous for raiders. You had to go.

:D I'll stick around if you'll have me. You seem like a nice bunch of people.

Monotheistic Deities wrote:Speaking as the Lunar Council President, guess we could motion a pardon.

If we do, I'd like to see that they can't manage communications for at least one term. They did target our means of communicating with other regions, after all.

Feel free to! The bacon may taste a little salty tho, you rekt the term record he'd just set.

Chingislan wrote:Hallo! How do you do?

Sorry for reking the flag, but that's raiding tradition. As for the RO's, you guys are dangerous for raiders. You had to go.

:D I'll stick around if you'll have me. You seem like a nice bunch of people.

New Bacon wrote:I did appoint you as a Lunar council member so good luck serving in our council and welcome to the region.

Oakplumington wrote:Alright, we got ourselves a new member! Excellent! Welcome to the Mystical Council, ChingisLan! You're not the first raider to join, either. We have Submarine Group V who was also given the Lunar Council position by default in much the same manner as you were. This occurred shortly after a raid by The Red Fleet.

All that is left now is the formality of a pardon and possibly losing communications power for a term (one lunar cycle) as proposed by Lunar Council President Monotheistic Deities. Three Lunar Council votes with New Bacon's approval would be required to remove communications authority from ChingisLan. This will be as a result of suppressing several posts and preventing interregional communication between embassies. On the day of the Cold Moon (December 25th/Christmas Day) communications authority shall be restored to the honorable ChingisLan.

*Says last sentence in a cool accent*

New Bacon wrote:Until the council votes on it, he will have communications authority until the council removes it.

New Bacon wrote:ALRIGHT THERE IS ANOTHER POLL THAT IS ON TELEGRAM!!! VOTE NOW LUNAR COUNCIL REGARDING STRIPPING COMMUNICATIONS FROM CHINGISLAN

Oakplumington wrote:You are allowed to vote too ChingisLan. You're on the Council after all.

Jegerkompaniet wrote:I log into this nation to move it back to where it come from, and I find my self appointed to some sort of council. This gave me 3 options. 1. Retag the region and do what ever I can with my officer set. 2. Leave with out doing anything. And 3. See if they will accept me as a member.

And by the fact your WFE is correct and I'm still here, makes it obvious what I chose doesn't it?

Malcholm wrote:I'd be all for that.

I don't see why not.

On that note, you came in with ChingisLan right?

I'd like to formally extend the pardon/temporary communications restrictions to encompass both ChingisLan and Jegerkompaniet.

[/spoiler]

Gyuamno

[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], Add this to exhibit 4.

New Bacon wrote:Nations that said Yes to Revoke Communications:

[nation=short]Jegerkompaniet[/nation]

[nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]

[nation=short]AU912 Mystical Council Consulate[/nation]

With a valid 3/5 vote of the council The executive of the Mystical Council Hereby APPROVES and signs the act into law.

Thanks for voting,

New Bacon

Gyuamno, Truxol

Communist Forestavia wrote:But eye yam forestavia from the future

Am not [nation=short]truxol[/nation]

(Eye yam [nation=short]truxol[/nation])

You could get banned for impersonation, I suggest you move that nation to the graveyard asap

New Bacon

Illfated wrote:You could get banned for impersonation, I suggest you move that nation to the graveyard asap

I think [nation=short]Truxol[/nation] is ok. He identified himself on the RMB and in his nation's motto (which I appreciate).

@ Truxol

Illfated does have a point, Truxol. You should be careful about doing that in the future because it is against the site rules. Illfated correctly identified the problem as impersonation. You're ok though. I am a cool cat so there is no problem between us.

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Gyuamno wrote:FYI [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] you are the only one who can issue Royal Awards, so if you have people you want to give awards to let me know.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gyuamno/detail=factbook/id=832774

I think we should award Illfated with a Peace Keeper Certificate for correct awareness of site rules and offering good advice and a peaceful solution to a potential problem.

Gyuamno, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia

[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] I have submitted your newest exhibit, along with all prior, to the judges via telegram. I have requested [nation=short]Chingis[/nation]' testimony as well (waiting for a response).

Forestavia, Truxol, Parakka Northland

I'm back!

*Sits down with cup of tea*

Ahh that's good.

Gyuamno wrote:[nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] I have submitted your newest exhibit, along with all prior, to the judges via telegram. I have requested [nation=short]Chingis[/nation]' testimony as well (waiting for a response).

Thank you, I'm going to create a dispatch for my "file". It's more like a box at this point. And there are two exhibits that I don't really need and would like to withdraw and there are a few more I'm going to add. I'm going to organize Mugwop's argument against me by breaking it down point by point. I also have to send you a telegram about the mad genius strategy I would like to use to win my case. Everything is going to be in my dispatch. Nice an organized.

And I am going to submit a copy of Webster's dictionary as Exhibit 5.

Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Congratulations to the next round of award winners!

Civil Service Award Winners

[nation=short]Viva_Italia[/nation] [Citation: On behalf of his continued work providing news to The Mystical Council]

[nation=short]Exotic_Lemon[/nation] [Citation: On behalf of his continued work providing news to The Mystical Council]

[nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] [Citation: For continuous contribution to the general welfare and overwatch of the government]

Government Service Award Winners

[nation=short]Viva_Italia[/nation] [Citation: Exemplary leadership service in numerous ministries and providing regional factbooks]

[nation=short]New_Bacon[/nation] [Citation: Exemplary leadership service in numerous ministries and providing regional factbooks]

Delegate Service Awards

[nation=short]New_Bacon[/nation] [Citation: One of the longest serving delegates]

[nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] [Citation: One of the longest serving delegates]

Certificates

[nation=short]Illfated[/nation] [Citation: Upholding website rules]

Forestavia, New Bacon, Barishmacht, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia

Forestavia wrote:I'm back!

*Sits down with cup of tea*

Ahh that's good.

Thank you, I'm going to create a dispatch for my "file". It's more like a box at this point. And there are two exhibits that I don't really need and would like to withdraw and there are a few more I'm going to add. I'm going to organize Mugwop's argument against me by breaking it down point by point. I also have to send you a telegram about the mad genius strategy I would like to use to win my case. Everything is going to be in my dispatch. Nice an organized.

And I am going to submit a copy of Webster's dictionary as Exhibit 5.

Excellent, I'll be awaiting your message.

New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Illfated wrote:You could get banned for impersonation, I suggest you move that nation to the graveyard asap

[nation=short]truxol[/nation] I agree with illfated it is against the site rules to do that. You must let the nation cease to exist or let forest gain control of it. Or charges may be filed sorry bud but it's the rules.

Parakka Northland

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]truxol[/nation] I agree with illfated it is against the site rules to do that. You must let the nation cease to exist or let forest gain control of it. Or charges may be filed sorry bud but it's the rules.

But, I started to file charges last night but you revealed yourself. Be very careful [nation=short]truxol[/nation] not to violate site rules.

Forestavia wrote:I think [nation=short]Truxol[/nation] is ok. He identified himself on the RMB and in his nation's motto (which I appreciate).

@ Truxol

Illfated does have a point, Truxol. You should be careful about doing that in the future because it is against the site rules. Illfated correctly identified the problem as impersonation. You're ok though. I am a cool cat so there is no problem between us.

Yeah but Nations in this region can still request mod intervention. Some of us are very serious about site rules.

Forestavia, Parakka Northland

I get it jeezus people.

Its already gonna cte, ill message forest with the account details.

Get off my back

Gyuamno, New Bacon, Parakka Northland

FROM N.B. MARSHALS

Since trial is about to begin the N.B. Marshals will send out subpoenas and you will have to be a witness in court. Some of you may already have or are about to get subpoenas.

Thank You,

N.B. Marshals Director

Truxol, Parakka Northland

Truxol wrote:I get it jeezus people.

Its already gonna cte, ill message forest with the account details.

Get off my back

2 late reported u to the mods b/c im a party pooper

hey [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] or [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] or [nation=short]viva_italia[/nation] can one of you post the next candidacy/election poll?

Truxol

Gyuamno wrote:2 late reported u to the mods b/c im a party pooper

U wot m8

Also yes you dunderheads its me truxol and yes im giving the info to gyuamno, go back to whatever funless hole you came from

Gyuamno

Capitalist Gyuamno wrote:U wot m8

Also yes you dunderheads its me truxol and yes im giving the info to gyuamno, go back to whatever funless hole you came from

how dare u gyuamno u capitalist pig, ur like my disowned family member. we dont talk about capitalist gyuamno

Truxol

Gyuamno wrote:how dare u gyuamno u capitalist pig, ur like my disowned family member. we dont talk about capitalist gyuamno

ur the disowned child gyuamno, u commie lover.

Gyuamno, Truxol

Exotic Lemon wrote:hey [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] or [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] or [nation=short]viva_italia[/nation] can one of you post the next candidacy/election poll?

i did the poll on Mystical Council yw

Truxol, Parakka Northland

Glad to see that not much has changed since I've been here.

[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] is Sentagon's founder nation belongs to one of us? If not we should probably not be affiliated with the region.

Truxol

Exotic Lemon wrote:hey [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] or [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] or [nation=short]viva_italia[/nation] can one of you post the next candidacy/election poll?

Done

Exotic Lemon

Mugwop wrote:[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] is Sentagon's founder nation belongs to one of us? If not we should probably not be affiliated with the region.

It was on the forest's protected embassy list, yet we have no embassy there. So I requested one.

Forestavia

The Lamparian Empire wrote:Glad to see that not much has changed since I've been here.

Welcome back! :)

Gyuamno, The Lamparian Empire

Forestavia wrote:Welcome back! :)

Thanks, hope to be able to work with you all again.

Gyuamno wrote:& if you want to add your own special award lmk.

Hm.... Might have to think about this one.

Gyuamno

Gyuamno wrote:It was on the forest's protected embassy list, yet we have no embassy there. So I requested one.

The act lists "To preserve our own region domestically the following embassies shall be protected" and lists Mystical Council and Sentagon

Sentagon has failed and was abandoned by us, now the region is owned by someone else it seems, thus this section of the list is no longer valid. It was just left in there because our sadist founder (R.I.P.) didn't bother updating the list.

The same goes with ANTICOM, which we are no longer part of, and KAISERREICH which was removed from the list https://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=713469 and we severed ties with that region, and OCRA which completely shutdown, but our dead sadist founder (R.I.P.) didn't correct the list, and previous foreign affairs ministers didn't pay attention to it either.

So the list is wrong and completely out of date. I recommend that you withdraw the embassy invitation, and update the EPA list through a dispatch of your own with the regions that are valid. The EPA act is here, https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=454436 and has the "raw" button down below, so you can copy the list and easily make the required edits.

Parakka Northland

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_mystical_council_news_agency/detail=factbook/id=834212

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:The act lists "To preserve our own region domestically the following embassies shall be protected" and lists Mystical Council and Sentagon

Sentagon has failed and was abandoned by us, now the region is owned by someone else it seems, thus this section of the list is no longer valid. It was just left in there because our sadist founder (R.I.P.) didn't bother updating the list.

The same goes with ANTICOM, which we are no longer part of, and KAISERREICH which was removed from the list https://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=713469 and we severed ties with that region, and OCRA which completely shutdown, but our dead sadist founder (R.I.P.) didn't correct the list, and previous foreign affairs ministers didn't pay attention to it either.

So the list is wrong and completely out of date. I recommend that you withdraw the embassy invitation, and update the EPA list through a dispatch of your own with the regions that are valid. The EPA act is here, https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=454436 and has the "raw" button down below, so you can copy the list and easily make the required edits.

I'll pass thx

Mugwop wrote:The act lists "To preserve our own region domestically the following embassies shall be protected" and lists Mystical Council and Sentagon

Sentagon has failed and was abandoned by us, now the region is owned by someone else it seems, thus this section of the list is no longer valid. It was just left in there because our sadist founder (R.I.P.) didn't bother updating the list.

The same goes with ANTICOM, which we are no longer part of, and KAISERREICH which was removed from the list https://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=713469 and we severed ties with that region, and OCRA which completely shutdown, but our dead sadist founder (R.I.P.) didn't correct the list, and previous foreign affairs ministers didn't pay attention to it either.

So the list is wrong and completely out of date. I recommend that you withdraw the embassy invitation, and update the EPA list through a dispatch of your own with the regions that are valid. The EPA act is here, https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=454436 and has the "raw" button down below, so you can copy the list and easily make the required edits.

The reason why it's out of date is because no one was motivated enough to put my proposal to vote. Technically Gyuamno is in the right.

Maybe we should tackle this next:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_forestavia/detail=factbook/id=main

Gyuamno, Parakka Northland

Northern Forestavia wrote:The reason why it's out of date is because no one was motivated enough to put my proposal to vote. Technically Gyuamno is in the right.

Maybe we should tackle this next:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_forestavia/detail=factbook/id=main

You say something then contradict yourself when you say "Gyuamno is in the right"

Yeah the EPA list should have been updated by past ministers of foreign affairs as embassy is their business, but as you said none of them were motivated to do their job, and it seems the current minister is not motivated to do his job either :(

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:You say something then contradict yourself when you say "Gyuamno is in the right"

Yeah the EPA list should have been updated by past ministers of foreign affairs as embassy is their business, but as you said none of them were motivated to do their job, and it seems the current minister is not motivated to do his job either :(

The Foreign Affairs Minister does not have the authority to act alone. They need approval from two branches of government.

Parakka Northland

Northern Forestavia wrote:The Foreign Affairs Minister does not have the authority to act alone. They need approval from two branches of government.

They don't have the authority to create a dispatch and update an old and invalid list? That's not true. On that logic all the other ministers can go throw a circle jerk of "I can't do nothing unless I get approved by other branches for anything I do" and then everyone ends up doing absolutely nothing.

In hindsight, the office of Minister of Foreign Affairs was shoved onto Gyuamno, so I guess I can excuse him for not doing it's job.

[nation=short]Truxol[/nation] however is running himself so I hope he does what needs to be done.

Gyuamno, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:They don't have the authority to create a dispatch and update an old and invalid list? That's not true. On that logic all the other ministers can go throw a circle jerk of "I can't do nothing unless I get approved by other branches for anything I do" and then everyone ends up doing absolutely nothing.

In hindsight, the office of Minister of Foreign Affairs was shoved onto Gyuamno, so I guess I can excuse him for not doing it's job.

[nation=short]Truxol[/nation] however is running himself so I hope he does what needs to be done.

That's right! They don't have the authority. And that's why the EPA is such a solid functioning law. In order to remove or add anyone to the list you need two branches to approve. That's why we have the EPA to protect our most valuable embassies from raids.

Reread #2.

Parakka Northland

Northern Forestavia wrote:That's right! They don't have the authority. And that's why the EPA is such a solid functioning law. In order to remove or add anyone to the list you need two branches to approve. That's why we have the EPA to protect our most valuable embassies from raids.

Reread #2.

Well at the very least they should have brought the matter forward to have it polled by the region, but yeah none of them seem to have bothered. Guess they thought it was your dispatch and that you would do it, so it seems that neither you or them took the initiative.

We actually never had any good foreign affairs ministers, except Kazukame(R.I.P.) he was fantastic

Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:Well at the very least they should have brought the matter forward to have it polled by the region, but yeah none of them seem to have bothered. Guess they thought it was your dispatch and that you would do it, so it seems that neither you or them took the initiative.

We actually never had any good foreign affairs ministers, except Kazukame(R.I.P.) he was fantastic

Kazukame was awesome! I miss Kazukame. Great Minister.

Parakka Northland

Assuming I win my case and the Lunar Council doesn't ban me from the region, I would like to accept Truxol's nomination. I would love to run for Minister of Defense. I know a lot about defending this region, after all I've been in this region since the beginning. ;)

My campaign for Defense Minister may suffer a little as I am also preparing a case for my defense. However, I will attempt to multitask anyway. My strategy for protecting the region is to first have a large amount of influence stored up which makes it nearly impossible for invasions - if and when they do happen - to turn into full blown occupations. Invaders will see the amount of our region's influence and will be deterred by the length of time needed for a successful occupation and refound. I will keep tabs on the top twenty most influential nations in our region.

The second part of my plan is to deter invasions altogether by keeping a decent amount of WA nations here. I like to call them the guardians of our region's government. They have the power to overthrow the government and return it to the hands of the people. And they also have the power to create stable long-lasting reigns for the Delegate preventing enemies both foreign and domestic from seizing control of power for their own selfish reasons.

The third part of my plan is to keep lines of communication open with the R/D community. As many of you know, I was once a founder, a delegate, a defender, and a raider so I know about four major angles of the R/D game. I will use the alliances that I have forged with raiders and defenders to help protect our region.

The fourth part of my plan will be to try to get TMC into The Regional Alliance. We've had close relations with The Greater Holy Isles and Solar Alliance for a long time. I believe it is time to pull our resources and kick our relationship with our allies up to the next level!

I will relay any information I have about threats to our home to Minister of Foreign Affairs Gyuamno, Prime Minister VIVA ITALIA, and Emperor Parakka Northland. All intel of a sensitive nature will be kept from the public eye so as not to harm our intelligence community.

Thank you, everyone for this opportunity to serve you!

Gyuamno, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

i vote 4est for D |=|=|=|

Forestavia, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Gyuamno wrote:i vote 4est for D |=|=|=|

I know what medal I would like to come out with. The Regional Influence Award, given to any nation who is able to make it to the top twenty most influential nations and remain on that list for one month or longer.

Truxol, Parakka Northland

y am i even an option on the poll i didnt accept any nomination u noobs

Truxol

Forestavia wrote:Assuming I win my case and the Lunar Council doesn't ban me from the region, I would like to accept Truxol's nomination. I would love to run for Minister of Defense. I know a lot about defending this region, after all I've been in this region since the beginning. ;)

My campaign for Defense Minister may suffer a little as I am also preparing a case for my defense. However, I will attempt to multitask anyway. My strategy for protecting the region is to first have a large amount of influence stored up which makes it nearly impossible for invasions - if and when they do happen - to turn into full blown occupations. Invaders will see the amount of our region's influence and will be deterred by the length of time needed for a successful occupation and refound. I will keep tabs on the top twenty most influential nations in our region.

The second part of my plan is to deter invasions altogether by keeping a decent amount of WA nations here. I like to call them the guardians of our region's government. They have the power to overthrow the government and return it to the hands of the people. And they also have the power to create stable long-lasting reigns for the Delegate preventing enemies both foreign and domestic from seizing control of power for their own selfish reasons.

The third part of my plan is to keep lines of communication open with the R/D community. As many of you know, I was once a founder, a delegate, a defender, and a raider so I know about four major angles of the R/D game. I will use the alliances that I have forged with raiders and defenders to help protect our region.

The fourth part of my plan will be to try to get TMC into The Regional Alliance. We've had close relations with The Greater Holy Isles and Solar Alliance for a long time. I believe it is time to pull our resources and kick our relationship with our allies up to the next level!

I will relay any information I have about threats to our home to Minister of Foreign Affairs Gyuamno, Prime Minister VIVA ITALIA, and Emperor Parakka Northland. All intel of a sensitive nature will be kept from the public eye so as not to harm our intelligence community.

Thank you, everyone for this opportunity to serve you!

The treaty still needs competing so if you have any suggestions let me know

Forestavia wrote:I will relay any information I have about threats to our home to Minister of Foreign Affairs Gyuamno, Prime Minister VIVA ITALIA, and Emperor Parakka Northland. All intel of a sensitive nature will be kept from the public eye so as not to harm our intelligence community.

Thank you, everyone for this opportunity to serve you!

What about the battle guard? Do you plan on using it or its members to defend the region?

Forestavia, Truxol

Exotic Lemon wrote:What about the battle guard? Do you plan on using it or its members to defend the region?

Speaking of battle guard, I applied ages ago and no response

Malcholm, Exotic Lemon

Truxol wrote:Speaking of battle guard, I applied ages ago and no response

ur not wanted srry

Truxol

Gyuamno wrote:ur not wanted srry

Cri

Gyuamno

Truxol wrote:Cri

Cyka blyat

Malcholm, Truxol

Gyuamno wrote:Cyka blyat

jk truxol ill always luv u

Truxol

Post self-deleted by New Bacon.

Truxol wrote:Speaking of battle guard, I applied ages ago and no response

If you didn't get a response about the penalty then you are a registered member. I just need to update the factbook. I seen it when you first registered.

Truxol

Anyway that I can become more involved in regional politics?

The Battle Guard Factbook (Updated)

Take a look for those people registered. If there are any descrepencies you need to let me know.

Truxol

Welcome back [nation=short]The_lamparian_empire[/nation]!!!!!!

The Lamparian Empire

The Lamparian Empire wrote:Anyway that I can become more involved in regional politics?

That I would think will depend on what the judicial branch decides to do. As you might know one of the news nations reported, you were on the regional ban list, given what happened at the time and for threats of invasion etc. As such [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] and the other members of the branch could decide that you should go back on it, or that you shouldn't be allowed to serve in any Government / Judical position.

New Bacon, The Lamparian Empire

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=viva_italia/detail=factbook/id=834581

Once again no report by Alistia.

Am I allowed to fire ministers without an impeachment vote?Because if I am dismiss Alistia

Gyuamno

Viva Italia wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=viva_italia/detail=factbook/id=834581

Once again no report by Alistia.

Am I allowed to fire ministers without an impeachment vote?Because if I am dismiss Alistia

I personally can't see why not as your the prime minister. Though if you need to impeache him then equally fair enough.

New Bacon, Viva Italia

Parakka Northland wrote:I personally can't see why not as your the prime minister. Though if you need to impeache him then equally fair enough.

I don't want to have an impeachment vote with elections ongoing.perhaps we could ban him from running

New Bacon, Parakka Northland

Viva Italia wrote:I don't want to have an impeachment vote with elections ongoing.perhaps we could ban him from running

See what [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] says about it but if he agrees then I'll support it.

New Bacon

Viva Italia wrote:I don't want to have an impeachment vote with elections ongoing.perhaps we could ban him from running

Parakka Northland wrote:See what [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] says about it but if he agrees then I'll support it.

You guys just love making everything so bureaucratic it's asinine. If he's not doing his job get rid of him, you don't need permission. How about dismiss him and not worry about getting permission from x, y, and z. Not everyone will agree, but have a backbone and stand up for your decision. Don't cave in because someone disagrees.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol, Viva Italia

Truxol wrote:Speaking of battle guard, I applied ages ago and no response

I would love to throw [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] under the bus, but it was probably my fault. We will add you.

New Bacon

Gyuamno wrote:You guys just love making everything so bureaucratic it's asinine. If he's not doing his job get rid of him, you don't need permission. How about dismiss him and not worry about getting permission from x, y, and z. Not everyone will agree, but have a backbone and stand up for your decision. Don't cave in because someone disagrees.

I agree we need to cut bureaucracy, but how?

New Bacon, Truxol

Gyuamno wrote:You guys just love making everything so bureaucratic it's asinine. If he's not doing his job get rid of him, you don't need permission. How about dismiss him and not worry about getting permission from x, y, and z. Not everyone will agree, but have a backbone and stand up for your decision. Don't cave in because someone disagrees.

That is a terrible idea if we want to call ourselves a democratic region.

[nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] I recommend you introduce a simple set of rules regarding impeachment and put those for polling. This way you have a solid law to follow when faced with such situations, and you don't have to wonder every time about what to do when you are faced with such situations. One poll to solve them all.

New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Mugwop wrote:That is a terrible idea if we want to call ourselves a democratic region.

[nation=short]VIVA_ITALIA[/nation] I recommend you introduce a simple set of rules regarding impeachment and put those for polling. This way you have a solid law to follow when faced with such situations, and you don't have to wonder every time about what to do when you are faced with such situations. One poll to solve them all.

Yes add another poll to our already 10 different polls. Excellent idea!

Truxol

I nominate lemon for the position.

Heres my report: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=834665

Gyuamno, New Bacon, Truxol

Alistia wrote:I nominate lemon for the position.

Heres my report: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=834665

Read the report. Plus after a conversation with you I understand your position a bit better.

[B]Your concerns in summary

- bickering amongst the ministers

- polls taking too much bureaucracy to get post

- Domestic Minister seems to have all the power

- Ministers of Culture and/or demonestic seem to be the only ones doing anything

- Prime Minister doesn't seem to do anything other than collect reports

- Don't feel that people can submit legislation

- No new people since October.

- The region split into factions

[B]My thoughts for others regarding things

I agree that at times it does seem that the ministry spend more time bickering than being on the same page. This is due to the fact that we elect individuals to do the various positions, rather than a group of people (e.g. a party) to do stuff which often complicates things because everyone has their own agendas. It also makes things like the PM removing a minister harder because he was directly elected by the people. Perhaps for consideration we might need to look at implanting political parties into the region especially with this government structure.

I also agree that people wanting polls have to jump throw hoops to get them. That's due in part because of the government structure the region elected, also due to the ministers not being on the same page. Finally due to the fact that during election season we end up with something like 10 polls odd going up over multiple regions. I think the solution is perhaps again making political parties and voting on parties rather than on individuals. It would simplify our election schedule.

I think due to the nature of the roles I think its understandable that the Domestic Minister has a lot of say in polls but that shouldn't mean he can refuse to put a poll up by anouther minister. Just means it has to be scheduled. In terms of Domestic and Culture minister being the only ones to do anything it's probably because their jobs are the easiest to view results because they are the most visible. In terms of the PM position well they should be organising the government. Settling disputes between government members and leading the government. Whether that actually happens is anouther matter.

I agree with the last bit, people do feel put off submitting legislation as often the government minister can make it difficult for it to go to the polls for vote and again there is a lot of bureaucracy to it, whether rightly or wrongly. This obviously needs looking into primarily by the government, myself (delegate) and the judical branch and seeing what can be done. It could be that the back up region can be used as a fail safe for legislation proposals in the event the government won't post a poll or is simply making things difficult.

In terms of no new people since October, this is concerning. Who's meant to be doing recruitment and why hasn't been done?

Finally people split into factions.... yeah I can understand why that has been brought up and it's also why I said about political parties being a solution to some of the above points. At least this way it's out in the open. However, political parties are not a magic bullet and have their own set of challenges. Though with the political structure we have atm it would be a logical step to introduce them.

[B]Please let me stress this is just my thoughts based on the report provided and the conversation taken place. Nothing is set in stone, as to how we can address these concerns. Though I do believe we cannot simply sweep them under the carpet so to speak

Gyuamno, Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol

Please answer our poll! :D

Oh by the way I forgot to say hi on your RMB oops!

Gyuamno, Alistia, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland

Holy crap I agree with [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation], do pigs fly now?

Parakka Northland wrote:Read the report. Plus after a conversation with you I understand your position a bit better.

[B]Your concerns in summary

- bickering amongst the ministers

- polls taking too much bureaucracy to get post

- Domestic Minister seems to have all the power

- Ministers of Culture and/or demonestic seem to be the only ones doing anything

- Prime Minister doesn't seem to do anything other than collect reports

- Don't feel that people can submit legislation

- No new people since October.

- The region split into factions

[B]My thoughts for others regarding things

I agree that at times it does seem that the ministry spend more time bickering than being on the same page. This is due to the fact that we elect individuals to do the various positions, rather than a group of people (e.g. a party) to do stuff which often complicates things because everyone has their own agendas. It also makes things like the PM removing a minister harder because he was directly elected by the people. Perhaps for consideration we might need to look at implanting political parties into the region especially with this government structure.

I also agree that people wanting polls have to jump throw hoops to get them. That's due in part because of the government structure the region elected, also due to the ministers not being on the same page. Finally due to the fact that during election season we end up with something like 10 polls odd going up over multiple regions. I think the solution is perhaps again making political parties and voting on parties rather than on individuals. It would simplify our election schedule.

I think due to the nature of the roles I think its understandable that the Domestic Minister has a lot of say in polls but that shouldn't mean he can refuse to put a poll up by anouther minister. Just means it has to be scheduled. In terms of Domestic and Culture minister being the only ones to do anything it's probably because their jobs are the easiest to view results because they are the most visible. In terms of the PM position well they should be organising the government. Settling disputes between government members and leading the government. Whether that actually happens is anouther matter.

I agree with the last bit, people do feel put off submitting legislation as often the government minister can make it difficult for it to go to the polls for vote and again there is a lot of bureaucracy to it, whether rightly or wrongly. This obviously needs looking into primarily by the government, myself (delegate) and the judical branch and seeing what can be done. It could be that the back up region can be used as a fail safe for legislation proposals in the event the government won't post a poll or is simply making things difficult.

In terms of no new people since October, this is concerning. Who's meant to be doing recruitment and why hasn't been done?

Finally people split into factions.... yeah I can understand why that has been brought up and it's also why I said about political parties being a solution to some of the above points. At least this way it's out in the open. However, political parties are not a magic bullet and have their own set of challenges. Though with the political structure we have atm it would be a logical step to introduce them.

[B]Please let me stress this is just my thoughts based on the report provided and the conversation taken place. Nothing is set in stone, as to how we can address these concerns. Though I do believe we cannot simply sweep them under the carpet so to speak

Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Gyuamno wrote:Yes add another poll to our already 10 different polls. Excellent idea!

It is an excellent idea. [B]A ONE TIME POLL[/B] to solve the impeachment problem forever. We don't have to do it right now. Let it wait until end of elections when we got all the space for polls that we need.

Until then, I think someone should write the law by which we establish protocol of how to remove any person from their office if need be, and put that law into vote. Such law should cover warring and impeachment protocols when a member of the goverment doesn't do their responsibilities, or when they unjustly use their powers.

If it passes, then said law will be used to deal with these situations, and there won't be uncertainties.

Parakka Northland wrote:

Alright let me see your points.

[B]- bickering amongst the ministers[/B]

I actually think this is a good thing. This is the sort of positive activity that the region needs; not [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] idea of telling someone to go into lunatic mode and ban people and cause mayhem. The fact that people are arguing, so long as it is civil, means democracy is alive and no one person can just go ahead and do whatever they want without questioning.

[B]- polls taking too much bureaucracy to get post[/B]

I don't know what bureaucracy you are referring too. The only time when all polls are put on standby is during election time. Any other time people are free to suggest a poll if there are no other polls. Election polls must take priority and I'm sure you are not suggesting that we scrap elections. So maybe less elections?

Now during this year I did suggest 2 ideas which would have resulted in less elections:

1. Make the goverment terms 4 months instead of 3 (this way we have 3 election seasons per year instead of 4)

2. Merge the office of Minister of Foreign Affairs with another ministry (then we get one less set of elections to worry about)

Both of these ideas were rejected by the region. So that was my attempt. I guess if you want, revisit those.

[B]- Domestic Minister seems to have all the power[/B]

I think you got this image from me introducing a whole bunch of laws to the region. Here is the solution: [B]TAKE INITIATIVE![/B] If any person here sees a problem in the region, write a law to fix it, introduce some solution, and poll that solution. Recall what I said to [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] about the impeachment issue. This is a current outstanding problem, and it requires someone to take initiative and introduce a solution. So by all means I call onto everyone, write a law, do stuff to solve regional issues. Have an impact!

[B]- Ministers of Culture and/or demonestic seem to be the only ones doing anything[/B]

Again, I call onto everyone: [B]TAKE INITIATIVE![/B]

[B]- Prime Minister doesn't seem to do anything other than collect reports[/B]

I think this falls down to us and what we originally defined the PM to be, and from which I described the position on the candidacy poll as "Nations voting to run demonstrate intent in running for the office of Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is responsible for handling management of all other ministry offices, and ensuring that they are performing their responsibilities.". We defined the PM is a manger of other postion. There wasn't an inherit responsibility to the PM itself. The same is true of the delegate, the delegate even has less responsibly in fact. The PM and delegate are mostly defined as overseers, but that can be changed. What ideas do you have about the responsibilities of the PM and delegate?

[B]- Don't feel that people can submit legislation[/B]

Is it that they don't feel they can submit legislation, or is it that they don't feel they can [B]write[/B] a legislation. Because to me it seems that people either don't feel like they want to write something, or feel incapable of writing something. Either way, the issue seems to be about writing, not submission because everyone is free to submit something.

Now if someone is having problem writing something because they are too lazy to write a law, then neither I or anyone else can help them. If they are having problem writing something because they don't know how or think it's too intimidating, then here is my simple [B]Guide About How To Write A Regional Law:[/B]

1. Find an issue that the region is facing, or an idea that would make the region better.

2. Write a solution about the problem you found in a dispatch. It doesn't have to be fancy formatting, what matters most is the idea you are suggesting.

3. Post that dispatch on the RMB for people to discuss, and ask someone with comms powers to send a mass telegram with a link to the dispatch so that they can review it.

4. Collect ideas and opinions from fellow region mates, and edit the dispatch based on the opinions you collected

5. Once you got all the edits you need and most of the region seems to be satisfied with it, have your dispatch polled for final decision.

With these simple steps anyone can write a law, and remember above all else: [B]TAKE INITIATIVE![/B]

[B]

- No new people since October.[/B]

Even earlier. Our growth influx stopped in August. Also happened in August: My 24/7 offsite server, that I used to send recruitment telegrams from, broke down. I don't have any machine now that runs extended periods of time. [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] a while back told me he is intrested in running recruitment, but I didn't hear anything more from him. So if any of you have a desktop that runs most or all of the day, by all means I will be happy to show you how to run recruitment and grow the region. The program process is very simple.

Alternatively we can try something we haven't done before: A thread on the NS forums. A lot of regions advertise themselves on the Gameplay forums. It's not an RP thread, but regional politics and activities is very welcomed there. Here is one example thread https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=348110

[B]- The region split into factions[/B]

I don't see us as split factions now, but your suggestion of creating parties is the exact way of making us split into factions with each faction having its own agenda. I don't want that and frankly I don't think anyone would once they delve into it. An issue that appears in the real world is that legislatures, especially in parties with a Party Whip, end up voting for/against a legislation not because that's how they feel, but because that's what their party leaders told them to do, and if they don't then the Party Whip will find ways to force consequences on party members.

This creates so much polarization and pressure against people. I strongly argue against us being split into parties and factions, and having the head of the party telling party members how to vote. Everyone here should feel absolutely free to vote however they want, without any pressures from any parties.

Forestavia, Malcholm, Truxol

[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] you answered the question in your response. There isn't a need for a poll. Prime Minister: "handling management of all other ministry offices"

Last time I checked, management fires people. So why the hell add another poll? You know you're overboard when you need two separate regions to post polls.

Truxol

Mugwop wrote:It is an excellent idea. [B]A ONE TIME POLL[/B] to solve the impeachment problem forever. We don't have to do it right now. Let it wait until end of elections when we got all the space for polls that we need.

Until then, I think someone should write the law by which we establish protocol of how to remove any person from their office if need be, and put that law into vote. Such law should cover warring and impeachment protocols when a member of the goverment doesn't do their responsibilities, or when they unjustly use their powers.

If it passes, then said law will be used to deal with these situations, and there won't be uncertainties.

Alright let me see your points.

[B]- bickering amongst the ministers[/B]

I actually think this is a good thing. This is the sort of positive activity that the region needs; not [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] idea of telling someone to go into lunatic mode and ban people and cause mayhem. The fact that people are arguing, so long as it is civil, means democracy is alive and no one person can just go ahead and do whatever they want without questioning.

[B]- polls taking too much bureaucracy to get post[/B]

I don't know what bureaucracy you are referring too. The only time when all polls are put on standby is during election time. Any other time people are free to suggest a poll if there are no other polls. Election polls must take priority and I'm sure you are not suggesting that we scrap elections. So maybe less elections?

Now during this year I did suggest 2 ideas which would have resulted in less elections:

1. Make the goverment terms 4 months instead of 3 (this way we have 3 election seasons per year instead of 4)

2. Merge the office of Minister of Foreign Affairs with another ministry (then we get one less set of elections to worry about)

Both of these ideas were rejected by the region. So that was my attempt. I guess if you want, revisit those.

[B]- Domestic Minister seems to have all the power[/B]

I think you got this image from me introducing a whole bunch of laws to the region. Here is the solution: [B]TAKE INITIATIVE![/B] If any person here sees a problem in the region, write a law to fix it, introduce some solution, and poll that solution. Recall what I said to [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] about the impeachment issue. This is a current outstanding problem, and it requires someone to take initiative and introduce a solution. So by all means I call onto everyone, write a law, do stuff to solve regional issues. Have an impact!

[B]- Ministers of Culture and/or demonestic seem to be the only ones doing anything[/B]

Again, I call onto everyone: [B]TAKE INITIATIVE![/B]

[B]- Prime Minister doesn't seem to do anything other than collect reports[/B]

I think this falls down to us and what we originally defined the PM to be, and from which I described the position on the candidacy poll as "Nations voting to run demonstrate intent in running for the office of Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is responsible for handling management of all other ministry offices, and ensuring that they are performing their responsibilities.". We defined the PM is a manger of other postion. There wasn't an inherit responsibility to the PM itself. The same is true of the delegate, the delegate even has less responsibly in fact. The PM and delegate are mostly defined as overseers, but that can be changed. What ideas do you have about the responsibilities of the PM and delegate?

[B]- Don't feel that people can submit legislation[/B]

Is it that they don't feel they can submit legislation, or is it that they don't feel they can [B]write[/B] a legislation. Because to me it seems that people either don't feel like they want to write something, or feel incapable of writing something. Either way, the issue seems to be about writing, not submission because everyone is free to submit something.

Now if someone is having problem writing something because they are too lazy to write a law, then neither I or anyone else can help them. If they are having problem writing something because they don't know how or think it's too intimidating, then here is my simple [B]Guide About How To Write A Regional Law:[/B]

1. Find an issue that the region is facing, or an idea that would make the region better.

2. Write a solution about the problem you found in a dispatch. It doesn't have to be fancy formatting, what matters most is the idea you are suggesting.

3. Post that dispatch on the RMB for people to discuss, and ask someone with comms powers to send a mass telegram with a link to the dispatch so that they can review it.

4. Collect ideas and opinions from fellow region mates, and edit the dispatch based on the opinions you collected

5. Once you got all the edits you need and most of the region seems to be satisfied with it, have your dispatch polled for final decision.

With these simple steps anyone can write a law, and remember above all else: [B]TAKE INITIATIVE![/B]

[B]

- No new people since October.[/B]

Even earlier. Our growth influx stopped in August. Also happened in August: My 24/7 offsite server, that I used to send recruitment telegrams from, broke down. I don't have any machine now that runs extended periods of time. [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] a while back told me he is intrested in running recruitment, but I didn't hear anything more from him. So if any of you have a desktop that runs most or all of the day, by all means I will be happy to show you how to run recruitment and grow the region. The program process is very simple.

Alternatively we can try something we haven't done before: A thread on the NS forums. A lot of regions advertise themselves on the Gameplay forums. It's not an RP thread, but regional politics and activities is very welcomed there. Here is one example thread https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=348110

[B]- The region split into factions[/B]

I don't see us as split factions now, but your suggestion of creating parties is the exact way of making us split into factions with each faction having its own agenda. I don't want that and frankly I don't think anyone would once they delve into it. An issue that appears in the real world is that legislatures, especially in parties with a Party Whip, end up voting for/against a legislation not because that's how they feel, but because that's what their party leaders told them to do, and if they don't then the Party Whip will find ways to force consequences on party members.

This creates so much polarization and pressure against people. I strongly argue against us being split into parties and factions, and having the head of the party telling party members how to vote. Everyone here should feel absolutely free to vote however they want, without any pressures from any parties.

FYI I summarised the points made by [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] in his report and conversation with me afterwards. I then proceeded to look at them and give my view on them as things stand at the moment. I point this out because from the opening of your post it seems you feel these are my points? I will read your post in full shortly, though I must confess that it seems from your writing that you seem annoyed?

Alistia, New Bacon

Gyuamno wrote:[nation=short]mugwop[/nation] you answered the question in your response. There isn't a need for a poll. Prime Minister: "handling management of all other ministry offices"

Last time I checked, management fires people. So why the hell add another poll? You know you're overboard when you need two separate regions to post polls.

Well the reason why I think there should be an impeachment law is to create a universal solution to impeaching any member of the goverment. Not just ministers, but a solution protocol to impeach any ministers, prime ministers, and JB members. Something to cover all scenarios.

Parakka Northland wrote:FYI I summarised the points made by [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] in his report and conversation with me afterwards. I then proceeded to look at them and give my view on them as things stand at the moment. I point this out because from the opening of your post it seems you feel these are my points? I will read your post in full shortly, though I must confess that it seems from your writing that you seem annoyed?

I am not particularly annoyed at someone, except the mad man known as [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], but other than him I am a bit annoyed (as I think it's obvious) about the state of inaction; that people don't seem to want to take initiative.

Alistia

Mugwop wrote:

[B]- Don't feel that people can submit legislation[/B]

Is it that they don't feel they can submit legislation, or is it that they don't feel they can [B]write[/B] a legislation. Because to me it seems that people either don't feel like they want to write something, or feel incapable of writing something. Either way, the issue seems to be about writing, not submission because everyone is free to submit something.

Now if someone is having problem writing something because they are too lazy to write a law, then neither I or anyone else can help them. If they are having problem writing something because they don't know how or think it's too intimidating, then here is my simple [B]Guide About How To Write A Regional Law:[/B]

Speaking of writing legislation, I just came out with a proposal. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=834835 I know it isn't my best work, but I was in a hurry. I can update it later.

Gyuamno, Barishmacht, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Exotic Lemon wrote:Speaking of writing legislation, I just came out with a proposal. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=834835 I know it isn't my best work, but I was in a hurry. I can update it later.

I know it's conspiracy theory-ish. But shouldn't the emergency delegate be kept secret and not made public? A raider would know who to target in the event of an attack -kicking the delegate and emergency delegate first.

Just like during the State of the Union, a member of government is kept out of the event in case of an attack, so there would be a definite survivor to lead.

Parakka Northland

Exotic Lemon wrote:Speaking of writing legislation, I just came out with a proposal. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=834835 I know it isn't my best work, but I was in a hurry. I can update it later.

It is a good legislation to protect us in the event that Forest is truly gone one day, but in general I don't think there should be a particular person who is the designate delegate. What I recommend is that whomever during that time is the native citizen with the most endorsements, that people should spread the message about endorsing them as they are the most likely to take back the delegate postion.

In the meantime however, we should solve the root cause of our problem and punish our founder since [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] needlessly let Oak CTE.

Truxol, Exotic Lemon

Gyuamno wrote:I know it's conspiracy theory-ish. But shouldn't the emergency delegate be kept secret and not made public? A raider would know who to target in the event of an attack -kicking the delegate and emergency delegate first.

Just like during the State of the Union, a member of government is kept out of the event in case of an attack, so there would be a definite survivor to lead.

I was thinking a like 2 or 3, in case one is kicked. chances are, raiders will not be able to eject 2 or 3 of our most influential nations.

Truxol

Mugwop wrote:It is a good legislation to protect us in the event that Forest is truly gone one day, but in general I don't think there should be a particular person who is the designate delegate. What I recommend is that whomever during that time is the native citizen with the most endorsements, that people should spread the message about endorsing them as they are the most likely to take back the delegate postion.

In the meantime however, we should solve the root cause of our problem and punish our founder since [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] needlessly let Oak CTE.

I agree with the majority of that. The only problem is what if we have a nation like [nation=short]teurs[/nation]: someone with a lot of endorsements, who isnt active or would be unable/unwilling to help. That requires people who get on a different times and sometimes different days to unendorse and rendorse the supported delegate. That buys raiders time to bring in reinforcements and take out our wa nations. Although, this could be solved by forest reviving oak.

Barishmacht, Truxol

Exotic Lemon wrote:I agree with the majority of that. The only problem is what if we have a nation like [nation=short]teurs[/nation]: someone with a lot of endorsements, who isnt active or would be unable/unwilling to help. That requires people who get on a different times and sometimes different days to unendorse and rendorse the supported delegate. That buys raiders time to bring in reinforcements and take out our wa nations. Although, this could be solved by forest reviving oak.

To be honest, if Forest is all nice and good and fine etc. the Founder nation could be founded at any time to rescue the region if necessary

Truxol, Parakka Northland

Barishmacht wrote:To be honest, if Forest is all nice and good and fine etc. the Founder nation could be founded at any time to rescue the region if necessary

That's a difficult gamble. He's a maniac and just might let everything burn. That's why we should punish him.

New Bacon

This is why guys I wanted the region to join The Regional Alliance treaty that way we firstly had allies to call on and secondly another back up region.

Though again that is still something that could possibly be revisited later down the track

Gyuamno, New Bacon

Parakka Northland wrote:This is why guys I wanted the region to join The Regional Alliance treaty that way we firstly had allies to call on and secondly another back up region.

Though again that is still something that could possibly be revisited later down the track

Just a quick Q: was the treaty ever voted on in Solar Alliance?

Maybe it should be revisited in the future.

New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland

Gyuamno wrote:Just a quick Q: was the treaty ever voted on in Solar Alliance?

Maybe it should be revisited in the future.

We had 2 votes to join two different defence organisations. 1 collapsed and the other has/had some internal issues. So I thought I would try and start my own so to speak with friendly regions. Anyway back to the point, I didn't see the point of running a 3rd poll in SA but I did run it past the security council and they didn't have any issues with it.

Gyuamno, New Bacon

Hi.

Gyuamno, New Bacon, Truxol

Parakka Northland wrote:We had 2 votes to join two different defence organisations. 1 collapsed and the other has/had some internal issues. So I thought I would try and start my own so to speak with friendly regions. Anyway back to the point, I didn't see the point of running a 3rd poll in SA but I did run it past the security council and they didn't have any issues with it.

Sooo... you had 2 treaties, both failed a vote to pass. You make your own, and avoid having the people vote on it by having it only go through the Security Council... Gotcha.

The reason I ask this is that a treaty is good and all, but are the nations in your region [that didn't even have the option to vote on it] honor the agreement?

Gerissa wrote:Hi.

suh dude

New Bacon, Truxol

Gerissa wrote:Hi.

Hello and welcome to The Mystical Council!

Truxol

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Gerissa wrote:Hi.

Hi and welcome

Gyuamno wrote:Sooo... you had 2 treaties, both failed a vote to pass. You make your own, and avoid having the people vote on it by having it only go through the Security Council... Gotcha.

The reason I ask this is that a treaty is good and all, but are the nations in your region [that didn't even have the option to vote on it] honor the agreement?

suh dude

Sorry I think you have misunderstood what I meant, probate because I didn't explain properly. We had two votes and both passed. One was to join OCRA or whatever it was and on the day I asked about the process of joining they collapsed. The other was to join a different defence organisation and again the vote passed. But I discovered things internally were not good and so I didn't peruse it as it looked like it was going to collapse. Hope that helps clear up the misunderstanding?

You raise a good point and tbh i probably well put it back to the vote at some point in the coming weeks,

Gyuamno, Truxol

Parakka Northland wrote:Hi and welcome

Sorry I think you have misunderstood what I meant, probate because I didn't explain properly. We had two votes and both passed. One was to join OCRA or whatever it was and on the day I asked about the process of joining they collapsed. The other was to join a different defence organisation and again the vote passed. But I discovered things internally were not good and so I didn't peruse it as it looked like it was going to collapse. Hope that helps clear up the misunderstanding?

You raise a good point and tbh i probably well put it back to the vote at some point in the coming weeks,

Okay yeah that makes sense :) thanks!

Truxol, Parakka Northland

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