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Region: The Mystical Council
What poll?
their is a poll in Mystical Council to see if people will approve the constitution with the new ammendment 6
New Bacon, Kladsko
I think Rrepaimziaraseh wants to do a separate poll on just Amendment 6.
@Rrepaimziaraseh: would you be willing to do a nonbinding poll? And, if the Sentagon supports Amendment 6, will you drop this?
New Bacon, Malcholm
Almost all of sentagon is inactive though!!!
New Bacon, Malcholm, Kladsko
1. I am listening to the entire region. Everyone has a chance and a duty to themselves and their region to express their voice on this poll >> Mystical Council
If the constitution is good enough for them, they will vote in favor.
If the constitution is not good enough for them, they will vote against it.
If they are on the fence, they will abstain from voting.
2. Should elected officers be allowed to spend their time in other regions? Yes they can, according to our working constitution in Amendment 6.
If they fail to meet their duties then they can be impeached, Amendment 6 also.
3. True, the collective voice of the region IS regarded much more importantly than any one nation here. The working constitution accomplishes that task rather well, I believe. No nation and no single branch of government holds all the power in this region. If anything, they are forced to find ways to work together in order to accomplish anything.
4. You have the right as an elected representative of the people to propose a regional law on this issue. But please keep in mind that whatever it is, it shouldn't contradict the constitution. Otherwise the Lunar Council will be within their rights to declare the law unconstitutional. Write up a dispatch and I'll add it to the list of proposed regional laws in the Information Center. If you can get two branches behind you, then your proposal will pass and become regional law.
Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
This was the poll suggestion I had with New Bacon.
Yes, in Sentagon, that is why a poll like this should be here. People here are active, and can see the poll right away, just look at how many people have voted on the current poll.
Not specifically on this issue, but just in general, why put the abstain on vote? I mean if people don't want to vote, they just don't vote. What do you think is the purpose of the abstain selection?
Forestavia
I think we're getting along just fine, personally. We're just having another lively debate about Amendment 6. We're behaving...aren't we guys? ;)
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Kladsko
Am i not speaking english?
My god.
I am saying that sentagon, as a regional government branch, is inactive.
Look at the members of sentagon, most rarely come on.
Kladsko
Several reasons:
It accounts for gray area.
The abstain option allows nations who are neither for or against it to participate in government.
Abstain indicates that they don't care or that they have an opinion posted on the RMB somewhere.
Using all three options is inclusive and helps us to gauge who's active in the polls.
It could also indicate filibuster or neutrality.
For a WA member in Sentagon, it could indicate 1 vote for and 1 vote against.
Malcholm
Because we don't want to be forced to vote for a certain side, and we may not have a view or opinion.
Fair enough.
And that is a reason to not have a poll for them to voice themselves?
i think we need a list of sentagon members so rrepaimziaraseh doesn't get confused
WE HAVE A POLL TO VOICE OURSELFS!
THE POLL IS UP IN MYSTICAL COUNCIL!
Actually we do have a list. I know it's out of date but at the Info Center under Regional Government there is a list.
Malcholm
Get it up too date :p
Forestavia
Sentagon Votes:
For: - Kladsko, Rondaland
No: -
Abstain: - Fiordlandia, Fezchia
The poll does not address the issue specifically, and there is no good reason to have a poll in there. Polls in that region should only be when we have polls only for MC members. Polls that are meant for everyone, should be held here, so that everyone can clearly and directly see them.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Are you seriously confused?
This poll isn't meant for everyone, just for members of TMC.
The waffle pancake poll is here, so we often use MC for other polls, and sentagon JUST for sentagon things.
I am in sentagon and i am fine with ammendment 6.
You are trying to delay the constitution and trying to force sentagon to vote in your stupid ammendment 6 poll.
So far the majority of sentagon approves it.
You are not a member of sentagon.
Stay out of sentagons business.
New Bacon
I just sent a telegram to everyone. There shouldn't be any confusion about that poll now.
New Bacon
Sentagon is autonomous.
You have no right to interfere with anything in sentagon.
You are the only one who wants the poll, and you are not in sentagon.
If sentagon wants a poll i will make one.
No one in sentagon has said they wanted a poll, so i will not make one.
Order Of Hospitallers
After Malcholm's poll is finished, you are within your rights to post a public opinion poll dealing with Amendment 6. But I want to be clear that we are not passing the constitution in pieces. That is too messy. Nor do I advise passing laws that contradict the constitution.
If public opinion is largely against Amendment 6 (your poll) but for the constitution (my poll). Then I would wait to fight this battle after the constitution has been formally adopted. Then you can make a constitutional proposal to repeal Amendment 6. But for now, the composition of our government is such that Amendment 6 must remain. The constitution will not pass without it.
Malcholm
I approve of this temporary solution for the benefit of the region, but I must stress that it is temporary.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
*breaks into dance*
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers
I thought all this was solved after the lunar council vote ;/
New Bacon
That was the Red Harbor thing, and I fully respect that decision, but considering that this is going to be a law in our constitution, I don't think we should limit the decision process to only the government.
And I hold this to be true to all laws. If I suggest a law in the future, and everyone in the council agrees to it, I still think the region as a whole should have a say on it as well.
The region of Mos Eisley Cantina has extended the hand of friendship in hopes of creating new connection. They are new, so I accepted their request, I hope they grow and become a valuable ally and friend.
Malcholm
No, we had a vote for the leave time too.
Regardless, laws are bigger than just us, this issue is not just some embassy or some edit to the WFE or something minor like that. Everyone should have a say on such important matter.
Please! Do not abort construction of embassies of [region=The Star League] it is [nation=short]fezchia[/nation]'s region
Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan
Again an insult I've noticed - no I haven't read all 65 messages but only the last 20 or so - Can we do something about this as I'm sick of reading this rubbish. I'm all for debating things but actually insulting someone is going to fair and something has got to be done, and seen to be done as this is what the 6th time.
Personally I'm past the point of caring over people being in the region if they are officers/council members. My stance is they should be but I'm not going to push it. Hence, why i am now abstaining the constitution tracker vote as this issue has made the entire thing so toxic that until the leadership actually inserts some authority I will not be voting.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan
I am sorry but Order of Hospitallers will shut it and Mos Eisley Cantina down again.
Tumetu-Iin Noyan
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
Yeah, I agree with Parakka. Let's ease up on the insults. It's too easy for things to get personal when insults are included in our debates.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
If they do then I will talk to Oak about my emergency-executive order against them.
There's always something exciting happening in this region isn't there?
New Bacon, Malcholm
The Star League and Mos Eisley Cantina embassy construction has fallen into limbo.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Not the Star League
Tumetu-Iin Noyan
Would you like to draft some sort of regional law proposal that limits the way insults can be used?
We could call it the Regional Etiquette Act or something like that.
For example, insults are ok in IC or RP but not ok in OOC debates.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I have requested from their leader to repropose as I cannot do that. Prior to that they have sent me a telegram telling me that they are intrested to meet us.
That is a good idea, not sure how to enforce it though. The problem it seems that some members of our regions treat conflict of opinion as personal attacks, they get angry, then they start throwing actual personal insults. That's not a good behavior.
Sure I'll take a look at it over the next 24 hours as its getting late here and I've been up for 18 hours lol
Malcholm
Cool.
Sleep well! :)
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Please note an addition to the info center Executive Actions by the Founder and Delegate:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=653814
Malcholm
I don't blame hospitallers for shutting down the embassy.
It looks like a tiny small useless region.
If you don't want a region aborted state your reason why and tell everyone.
None of us were told anything about that region so...
New Bacon
Our region isn't ranked in the top 10% of most nicest :P.
Just suppress the post if someone's responce make you cry.
New Bacon
I mean fez's region.
New Bacon
I already said earlier the region is [nation=short]fezchia[/nation]'s he wanted to establish embassies with us. There is no regional law that prohibits the style of others' regions. I don't want it aborted. Just like hospitallers don't want red harbor closed. The embassy construction shall proceed by executive order.
Malcholm
Maybe Parakka could insert a scale. Something like:
1st offense - warning
2nd offense - warning with post suppression
3rd offense - loss of communications authority if applicable
4th offense - impeachment process initiates, if applicable
5th offense - ejection (may return)
6th offense - trial before the Lunar Council with the punishment of banishment if guilty.
Malcholm
???????????
I KNOW
I said none of us were told what the region was.
BOOO!
FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
Forestavia
When did anyone make a personal attack against you?
New Bacon
I dont think lunar council members can handle having the embassy authority honestly.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Oh, here we go again.... :P
New Bacon, Malcholm
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=653814
Tumetu (executive order) you should not be confused.
My god bacon, im not confused.
Im just saying that hospitallers closed the embassy but none of us knew what the embassy was at the time of the closure.
New Bacon
Rrep is the one who used to always protest about post suppression, even when it wasn't involving him.
Now he wants some people to be suppressed.
If you can't handle the heat get out of The Kitchen. (;
New Bacon, Malcholm
Lol the way you sound *snickers* sorry I'm in a good mood.
Malcholm
Time to make a new union that gives all nations the freedom of speech (except curse words, thats why nordrlond was deleted [apparently])
New Bacon
hi?
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm
This government is starting to turn into the USA Congeress.
Republicans VS Democrats
Rrep VS The NCA
We can't get junk done just because of peoples feelings
New Bacon
Hello welcome to the mystical council!
Forestavia
Please keep your dog on a leash.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Hey chill out ;) I Roleplay the USA
Malcholm
seriously? *rolls eyes*
New Bacon
Made a public post about Mos Eisley Cantina here, but I don't think Hospitallers cares https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=19988477
Oh the so many posts that Plugo and Hospitallers talked to me like I am a "kid" beneath them who doesn't deserve a voice. Anyway, I think it has already proven that those two took regional issues and acted like it was personal.
1. My name is actually [B]Chef[/B].
2. I think only spam, and insults from outsiders are worthy of suppression. That's why I once suppressed some guy from Bunicken who was insulting us.
3. What is wrong with you? Why would you make an emoji like that (; ? That's perhaps the most offensive thing you have yet to do.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Um plugo meant hi and he welcomes you to the region. PLUGO WHERE ARE YOUR MANNERS SIR?
Lol no, but if it bites any of my citizens it will die.
(Citizens in the top 0.6% for most weapons)
(52 weapons per person)
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm
I knew that there would be embassy conflict with this many nations holding embassy authority. Looks like maybe I was wrong to assume more power was a good thing in this instance.
Maybe we need an embassy amendment. This is a draft outline.
Conflict within one branch:
LC1 makes one decision and LC2 makes another decision >>> Limbo situation >>> Lunar Council holds vote for Lunar Council decision >>> Decision Vetoed by Delegate >> Sentagon >> Regional Law
Conflict amongst two or more branches:
Government member 1 makes one decision >> government member 2 makes different decision >> Limbo situation >> Delegate may resolve with executive action >> Lunar Council may override executive action with 3/5 or better majority >> If Sentagon backs either Delegate or Lunar Council then >>> regional law is formed in regard to embassy.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
You take it as a personal attack when someone doesn't see an rmb post.
Insted of freaking out just send them a tg.
New Bacon, Order Of Hospitallers
I have no problem with kids, not my fault if you took it in negative context.
New Bacon
Wait, the lunar council can override the delegates executive action!? :O
New Bacon, Malcholm
Whatever you say buddy, I do hope that you learn one day to treat your peers with equal respect.
New Bacon
Death By Dogs is the first recruit of our newest recruitment message.
Welcome friend, I hope you enjoy it here. We talk here, about a lot of stuff.
New Bacon, Malcholm
I give respect to those who give it back.
New Bacon
one of my dogs is laying on the couch to old to run away and the other is in heaven! he died when i was at my grandma's house so i never got to say good bye before he was put down. *cries* I still miss Chester! And don't get me started about Troublee, she was put down because she had a really really bad infection over her eye making her partly blind and i didn't find out until about a month after it happened!
*If you do not give respect to not expect it back*
Yes
That sucks, my cat died and i didnt see it for 3 weeks :(
New Bacon
Luckily for you we have no reason to over ride it.
New Bacon
Rrep is too imatture to send me a tg, he has to rant on the rmb about it acting like i did it just to personally upset him.
New Bacon
Yet despite the fact that I have reiterated a thousand times that, and I quote myself, "You are not my enemy, and I am not your enemy, I am your fellow region mate who has a different opinion than you. That is all", you keep acting like I have insulted your mother.
I actually don't mind much if only the heads of branches had embassy powers.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Too bad, embassy powers were NEVER a problem before, i wonder why its such an issue now.. (;
New Bacon, Malcholm
Oh, man. That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear that.
New Bacon
If you kill my dog i swear i will hunt you down and rip you apart with my bare hands!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's pretty much what we did when I was on TV Tropes - OK to edit someone else's decision, but to change it back you need to escalate so we don't get an edit war.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Fine i wont.
*Sticks hand out and opens palm*
*Coughs*
New Bacon
Woah easy on the violence. Your dogs are welcome in New Bacon as that is illegal.
Order Of Hospitallers
When I send you telegrams, you ignore me. That's what I did about Red Harbor. You acted selfishly, as if you are better than me, and did not respond to any of my questions. Plugo did the exact thing. And when he did reply, he told me to shut up and stop talking because these are "top secret" stuff that don't concern me.
I would not mind dealing our business privately, but you seem to ignore it, call me a kid and a prick, and not give a serious response until everyone sees it here on the RMB. You left me empty handed.
And not only that, you even lied at one point and claimed that didn't get any telegrams, when that was clearly not the case https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=19874574
So after all of your behavior, are you sure I am the one who's immature? Perhaps you are looking at the liar in the mirror.
New Bacon
Yep. It's called a Lunar Council Ruling or Decision. And likewise, New Bacon could technically veto your Lunar Council Decision about Red Harbor.
I realized I made a serious mistake the other day when I said that two branches would be needed to override the Lunar Council Decision. From a regional law perspective the Delegate would be within rights to use the power of the veto which would force Sentagon to be the final decision maker.
New Bacon, Malcholm
i'm sorry but i have had enough of all these bullies on nation states. First Domini est terra, then Artic States, and now him.
New Bacon
I was just kidding calm down.
New Bacon, Order Of Hospitallers
i already told you i didn't ignore you, my uncle was in the hospital and my cat just died.
Uncle died yesterday if that will make you feel better.
i didn't "lie".
i said i didn't get any telegram.
You then posted it on the rmb.
You can only hold 20 telegrams by the way, and i am an important man with many things to discuss with many people.
We're not a serious region by any means. Let me back that up. We take our laws and government very seriously but everything else is just silliness. We're here to have fun. :)
New Bacon, Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers
You really need to take a literacy class.
We tell you the same stuff multiple times but in your posts you always mention the stuff back even though it was anwsered.
New Bacon
i am so very sorry i'm very touchy on the subject of death, as i have come close to dying many times
Alright guys. Now's your chance prove me right. Hospitallers and Chef, would you both like to take the conversation to telegram please.
Malcholm
rather when you live with my older sister who is 12 years old and almost 6 feet tall you know what pain is
Forestavia, New Bacon, Order Of Hospitallers
Oh my goodness! Wow! You've got your work cut out for you there. Good luck, you'll need it.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Yeah and we like to do Roleplay too. It's fun when we Roleplay.
Malcholm
Chef got out of the kitchen.
What do we have to discuss?
This all just turned to banter i don't even remeber what the topic was.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
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