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Region: The Mystical Council
Two bills that have hardly been discussed and no dispatch created for people to read or if it has been created it's not been referenced. Equally is this bill just your individual ones or has the government collectively worked on these respective bills and again if so why haven't we been told about them during the election campaign?
Your point mugwop equally applies the other way in that we haven't burnt down over not having these bills implemented. In addition we voted on a government system that now the government is refusing to implant in a timely fashion. That isn't what the region voted for and if that's the case then the whole government should be impeached.
[B]Role Play
Our government is getting out of hand, Ministers acting independently of each other and not working as a cohesive unit which is what the government is meant to do. Not to mention that WE the people chose a government system that now the government are not implementing because it's incovenienant. This is a breach of power! I call for an imitate impeachment of the whole government!
I'm calling on the one Emperor to intervene and do something about this insane and power hungry government [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]
Forestavia, Civilisunio
Civ has made a dispatch about his bill https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=810402 I can't say I agree with the points, but he made a dispatch about it and he is going to put it in front of the region to vote.
As for me and Article 9, I'm not going to make an independent dispatch for it, just as much I didn't make one for Article 8, nor will there be an independent dispatch of article 10 whenever I or someone else put it forward. They are simply amendments to the main elections dispatch, and will be put in the proposal section of the The Mystical Council Elections Schedule and Policies. (All laws and current proposals can be found here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=747154)
I think you are overrating. Everyone else seems to agree with the current setup so we will just go with it for now.
My Bill attempts to restore activity and create more reason for each governmental position and office and also creates more of a defined job for the judicial council and i did reference it and asked for proofreading and constructive critism of it. Maybe the problem isnt the government or my and mugwops bill's its you.
Technically it is written, but not submitted.
Id probably vote against it, as it could lead to only puppets (not nation puppets, but puppets like working for someone else" being viewed as 'valid', and candidates being rejected to be fit due to political reasons.
As long as someone is a citizen of the region they should be able to run.
Wow touché there aren't we, did I strike a nerve by chance?
Though after finding your bill, I certainly wouldn't vote in favour of it. It only address one groups of people within the region for a start.
Thanks for the correction
Thanks for the links.
By everyone you mean about 5 people who have contributed to any form of discussion within the region over the last few days.....
Alistia, Civilisunio
Well that isnt constructive critisism is it now? I want more and i cant get that from one statement. Also, there is only one group to address.
I'm sure they would voice their concerns if they had any.
Alistia, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
Let us all take a deep breath and relax. This is a game, not an actual government seeking to control the world. There is a difference of opinion, but it does not need to evolve into a petty argument. Not sure why everyone is getting so worked up over it. Government members are trying to do their job, and citizens are making sure there is a balance of power. No need to start throwing accusations back and forth
Alistia, Viva Italia
I know this sounds a little biased coming from someone in the government, but does that seem a little excessive?
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Looks like we have dispatches now but it still looks like we have a problem.
What specifically is the government refusing to do in a timely fashion? (Can you do a bullet point thing?)
As this is a serious allegation against our regional government, I want to remind the region of these laws under the Basic Rights of Nations:
First
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=701680
9. The nations of The Mystical Council shall retain the right to protest their regional government. If deemed absolutely necessary and all other options have been exhausted, the nations shall also retain the collective right and responsibility to overthrow an oppressive regional government.
AND
14. All nations shall retain the right to move about from region to region as they desire. However, nations must at the very least keep a puppet in the region in order to vote. Furthermore, any government officer who neglects their duties in the midst of travelling may be removed from office by whatever method is deemed appropriate via legislation.
Is a neglectful/inactive government necessarily oppressive? Discuss!
And I also see that neglect is specifically tied to travelling so can we really even use 14 to impeach the rest of the government? Do we have another law on the books that is more general in regard to government inactivity? Discuss!
I will rephrase Lemon's question: Would it be too excessive to impeach everyone? Is the situation that bad or can we impeach specific officials for specific reasons?
Secondly
I am ordering all three members of the Lunar Council to remain attentive to the situation that is developing as your input may be needed if a case is brought before you. ([nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation], [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation], [nation=short]Truxol[/nation])
Thirdly
I reserve my rights to use emergency powers and/or to guide our region through this turmoil. I may consider using them to put up a referendum poll of some sort depending on how severe the situation is.
If I am not active (and I'm not on all the time anymore), then the Delegate will hold the power to use emergency powers and/or facilitate a conversation in my place. I reserve the right to overrule the delegate if I feel it necessary. Ideally, the delegate should strive not to interfere too much in the government process outside of their lawful role.
Fourthly
It seems Prime Minister VIVA is already draining the swamp of inactive officials.
Fifthly
The region has the power to change the delegate at any time simply by switching endorsements. It is listed in the Basic Rights of Nations. This power can be used as a backdoor way of changing the situation in the event that the government fails to properly serve the people. This feeds into number 9. The threat of a coup should keep the current government motivated in such manner as to serve the people. Think about your campaign promises and about all of the laws we've passed since September 2016. Keep things in perspective.
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I'm going to try to log in again tonight or tomorrow. I'm also going to make an effort to go through my notifications which I haven't been very good with lately.
Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
After this proposed impeachment is over, if there isnt another poll lined up, id still like to include the other flag options. This flag sporting the jedi symbol is heretical to sithism and mocks lord mugwop.
Truxol
If you guys decide to do the minister poll first, then take the extra time to discuss article 9.
If you decide to do the article 9 poll first, then someone should fill in for the foreign affairs office or appoint a temporary one until the polls get freed up. If that's my job then let me know. If I'm not around then get have the Delegate to appoint one in my absence.
(Don't we have another spare region somewhere that we can use for this extra poll so that we can run them at the same time? Maybe we could use The Regional Alliance's polls. Maybe they'll be nice to us even though we rejected becoming part of the alliance.... [nudges Parakka] It would be a good spot to put the foreign affairs poll.)
Malcholm
Maybe you could put your poll up over in Skybernet? The polls seem kind of tight right now.
If you guys put up polls in weird places also be sure to telegram the entire region as well as announce it on the WFE. That way everyone gets the message.
We're up to an activity rating of 3 which is still low but the good news is that our regional activity is picking up again!
Alex Green
The Battle Guard is the headquarters for our official regional military. We should talk to Lemon and Bacon about running polls there too. That will give us the ability to really fly.
Alex Green
Sure I'll post a poll there if someone sends me the details of the poll (title, info, options and length of poll)
List
* Activity throughout the region is down and the government isn't doing anything about it
* Minister reports not been submitted or written when we promised that we get them
* Lack of organisation throughout the government
* Government Ministers deciding unilaterally what government positions are important, and thus not implementing the government structure that we the people voted for.
* The Government and members of The Judical Council seeking to silence dissent within the region and ignoring concerns of the people
That's the list so far, if I think of anymore I'll add it.
Maybe they would if they were encouraged to be more active within the region or if they thought they would be listened to.
Your statement shows how arrogant you are becoming. There are three groups of people, The government members, the judicial members and then the people of the region.
Malcholm, Alex Green
Here's a couple more.
* Delegate reduced to nothing more than a janitor type position.
* Citzens Status Act not being maintained by any of the following:- Prime Minister, Delegate or Judicial President
* People feel pushed away by the lack of organisation of the government and thus key pieces of legislation have stalled
Forestavia, Malcholm, Alex Green
Well they won't be qualified as a candidate unless they are a citizen to begin with. And to your second point, that's why I said "Any executive head who disapproves of the candidate, must give a reasonable argument as to [B]why they don't find the default candidate suitable[/B] for the office they have ran for." They can't just disapprove of someone.
Parakka where is this sudden outburst against the region is coming from? It is puzzling. Do you want to run as Minister of Foreign Affairs and you think if you're an only candidate then Article 9 might stand against you? If that's the reason I don't think you would have an issue getting 2/3 approval. You will probably get 3/3. If that's not the issue, then where is all this coming from? What's this about?
Yeah I think most people seem to support having the official election after Article 9, so do appoint someone temporary. Please do so in the next 48 hours. [nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] if Forest doesn't get to this on time, please make the appointment yourself.
1.We most certainly are doing something to increase activity.As you can see,inactive government officials are being gotten rid of which is the first step to having a more active region.And also the government can't control nations.Its their choice whether they want to be active or not.
2.I agree about the ministers reports however the government is taking action against ministers that don't publish reports.That is the reason the current poll is up.
3.We aren't picking what government positions aren't important the people are.If no one is running for an office obviously the people don't view it is necessary.
4.We aren't silencing the "people's opinions".You are allowed to protest the government as mush as you want.And also don't call it the people's opinions when you are the only one of that opinion.
Don't 4get to vote against the proposal on the floor rn
Alex Green
Roleplay
Baconians are celebrating the founding of the Nation of New Bacon today May, 8th (founded exactly 3 years ago today) in the Eastern Pacific region of Nationstates. Celebrations are going on country wide for this landmark event.
Forestavia, Alex Green
The Immortal Elysium is officially impeached
Alex Green
Need some help????
Pretty mind, silk thoughts
Start a fire when you turn the lights off
Oh my, my God
When he made you, he did a fine job
I know you been hoping I'd give in
But I ain't feeling that feeling, no
Yeah, you right, maybe I'm trippin'
The one thing I love more than being with you and that's
Late nights, doing what I wanna do
I got sleep eyes; I woke up like this
Feelin' like, aw $#@&, throw some bacon on it
New Bacon
New poll everyone.
Alex Green, Exotic Lemon
I vote No because Article I will force people to do something even when there is nothing to do, which will end up in them doing meaningless things just to make it look like they are doing a thing. Or they might end up not doing things and postponing stuff they must do, because they are only intrested in filling up their quota.
Article II is also unrealistic. People aren't gonna follow it and it will only be a headache. Viva's Monthly Report system is far better.
Article III is good in theory, but the subject requires its own main topic, its own dispatch, and a whole lot more details and regulations about the do's and don'ts of goverment misconduct.
Alex Green
Oh no thanks I'll pass as minister of Foreign Affairs position, I'm sure your probably right I would if I was the only candidate under the soon to be new rules bet a majority approval, but at the moment I'm a little two busy to add an addition job to my list such as Foreign Affairs.
In terms of my "outburst", well let me reassure you that it's not for my own selfish motives, it's about concern for the region as a whole. During my time here I have never known this region to be this quite. I have had conversations with a couple of people who have said they are concerned with the direction the region is going, hence why they have withdrawn somewhat. Not to mention that lately I feel that the region has lost some of its identity and It's uniqueness.
If possible I would like to try and see some of it restored. How that is achieved is debateable. I hope that has answered your question to some extent.
Forestavia, Alex Green
I'm voting no because it only address the government side of things and not particularly well at that. Where it would have been better to try and think of ways to increase region participation and engagement
Alex Green, Civilisunio
I cant pass legislation to control the people but i can pass legislation to help the government. Look, I realise you dont like me but its bot very diplomatic to try and attack my bill saying it wasnt well written when infact its the strongest and most convincing bill i have ever written and i have gotten bills passed before.
Alex Green
I don't not like you just for the record and you missed the point I was trying to make about engagement of the people but ok that's your choice
Alex Green, Civilisunio
My choice for what? I cant choose not to get something when you dont further explain what it means and what you are trying to say.
Alex Green
I most definitely disagree with article two as nobody has time for that.
Alex Green
So we need a new Minister of Foreign Affairs?
If someone can tell me who should be appointed and the reason why then I will gladly do it.
Forestavia, Alex Green
I approve of using it or my former region The Celtic Militia for polls. you will have to ask [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] for the battle guard though. I am removing password protection of the celtic militia for 48 hours, if anyone wants to have polls please go there and/or send a puppet.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Alex Green
I support most of article I and III, but I find II is too much bureaucracy. If II is revised I would probably vote yes. For now I will abstain though. Just a suggestion, but maybe if you and VIVA worked on something together to get the best of both worlds?
Alex Green
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_mystical_council_news_agency/detail=factbook/id=820024 enjoy! - Lemon
Malcholm, Alex Green, Parakka Northland
I vote yes, hoping that these changes will be made before the poll ends.
Article II: Define what the schedule should have in it, and what it will be used for. (schedule for what? polls, events? define this.)
Article III: Define un exemplary diplomacy, any way to veto a judicial ruling?
[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation]
Alex Green, Exotic Lemon
The bill is officially revised. Quick link: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=810402
Alex Green
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2 is a great movie, just sayin yall.
Alistia, Alex Green, Barishmacht
I have explained already.
In terms of your Revised Bill it's worse than it was to start with in that now you are trying to curb the powers of the judicial branch by having any decision they make open to the possibility of it being overturned by the ministry. Oh and revising your bill during a vote is very very naughty. Tut tut
Alistia, Malcholm, Alex Green, Civilisunio
Personally I think this is slightly better but it doesn't address the core issues that I found.
Alistia, Alex Green, Civilisunio
I think [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] is a reliable choice.
Alistia, New Bacon, Alex Green, Barishmacht, Exotic Lemon
For any decision?
The overturn should be for if govt officers where dismissed by the judicial branch for reason, and that only. Thats how interpreted .
Alex Green
That poll annoys me. *sigh* It's "piece" not "peice".
Alex Green
Thats what they call checks and balances in the real-world. Look, you wanted something so I incorporated everything you guys asked me, not focusing on one branch, allowing a veto to happen so the judicial branch isnt more powerfull, and revising article 2 and allowing all of the revisions needed to be thoroughly added where they could fit without changing the bill entirely. I guess you cant have your cake and eat it too.
Alex Green
What revisions do you want to see? I tried to look at previous post but only found bits and pieces it would be very helpful if you give me a detailed list of revisions that you want to see and ill do my best.
Alex Green
So in essence Article I and II are fundamentally bad. The monthly report system is far simpler and effective. Each month the ministers submit a report to the PM, and if the ministers don't accomplish at least some of their goals, don't show any positive activity to the region, or aren't fulling their responsibilities, then the PM can trigger and impeachment vote. This is exactly what happened recently and it worked out as it should. We don't need any more laws to it.
Article III is a good idea, but it's far more complex and should be treated as an independent topic with its own dispatch so that everything is addressed properly with extensive details.
Alex Green
Yeah...no.
Alex Green
I'm not ready to rejoin government now.
Alistia, Alex Green, Parakka Northland
You're also in charge of the Battle Guard as well as [nation=short]alistia[/nation].
Alistia, Alex Green, Truxol, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] you can do polls over in TBG. It will be open to polls.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Alex Green, Parakka Northland
Then I suggest [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Alex Green, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
That might be how you interpreted it but isnt what is actually said
"Article I: Activity
All government positions and/or branches are required to do something of significance every 2 weeks. Failure to do so will not result in immediate punishment but rather the citizens will be able to appeal these actions to the judicial council, which are exempt from this process. Punishments are up to how the judicial branch see's fit but can result in the removal of somebody from a government position due to inactivity in said position. Any breaks or vacations that may halt the activity of a government position must be reported to the judicial branch to be noted. Officially the ministers can vote as a whole and reach a verdict to decide what happens to the minister and can veto the Judicial Branches Decision (3 ministers must agree to the verdict aka 2/3rds) This applys to all articles moving forward."
I've underlined what my issue is with Article 1, this makes the Ministry more powerful the judicial branch, in addition its not limited just to activity but all articles going forward.... what the hell does that exactly mean? In theory it could mean that simple laws can be rewritten by the Ministry so and automatically implemented so long as they have a 2/3rds majority and guess what? The People don't get a say in it because we will have voted to pass a law that gives them that right.
I didnt ask you to do anything for the record. Checks and Balances is what we have at present. The government can make laws that effect how the judicial council does things and the judicial council acts on those laws. What you are trying to do is create a do over system. Basically saying that if 3 members of the government doesn't like what the Judiciary has done then its ok because it can be undone. The next point is why have a judicial branch in the first place if this article passes in its current form?
Alex Green, Civilisunio
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Alex Green, Exotic Lemon
oh barry, you little devil you.
Alistia, Malcholm, Alex Green, Barishmacht, Civilisunio
The judicial branch is the place for appeals and if yoy want an appeal you go there. This bill doesnt change what the jb does it only adds to what they can do. Thats like saying why have a president if the congress can do it themselves. You make 0% sense and you never have you have consistently harrassed me since i have ran for the delegacy just because of some stupid thing i said. Stop acting like a child and grow up, make sense, and contribute to something before you go attacking other peoples hard work.
Alex Green
is gaem y u hef b md?[/I]
Alex Green
In all seriousness though, I think constructing a new missions statement every two weeks is unnecessarily excessive. This is the main reason I'm currently against the bill. Something like that would create some serious burn-out and drive players away in droves. I think it's more reasonable to have each new minister publish a mission statement building off of the former administration, then have the collective government author a status report halfway through the term. There's need to create artificial activity by going back and recreating your goals, just see if they need re-assessed every so often and make sure the region knows that your actively pursuing your goals by being active in the region.
Forestavia, Alex Green, Barishmacht, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Thank you. I will get right to that.
Malcholm
It literally says the ministry can overturn the punishment given to a fellow minister for bad conduct, no other laws could be changed
Alex Green
Yeah [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] is not know for his skill at spelling. Sorry dude, but you know its true.
Malcholm, Alex Green, Civilisunio
Why don't you two take a moment and try to come to an agreement. Attacking each other is not helping the region, it is hurting it.
I approve of using it, I assume you do, so where does [nation=short]alistia[/nation] stand? Remember The Celtic Militia is still open for anyone who wants poll.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Alex Green
<--also has 50,000 other regions we can use for polls if the need arises.
Forestavia, Alistia, Alex Green, Exotic Lemon
Poll is a tie, but not quite. Reminder to [nation=short]Trudeau_Eulogies[/nation] to register as citizen to verify your status. The easiest way to register as a citizen is to join the WA.
List of citizen status in TMC https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=820739 in accordance with the Citizenship Bill https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=762848
Forestavia, Malcholm
New revision. Tell me how you like it and if yoy dont i can always revert it back. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=810402
I haven't attacked him. Though I am getting tired of being attacked by him because he doesn't like critisim from myself.
Not once have I personally attacked you like you have right there.
Fact when you ran for delegat you did it by slandering me and critising everything I did.
Fact when I created the regional alliance poll you started slandering my entire region to get your own way
Fact I have contributed to this region a number of times
Fact I didn't put in Discord a couple of months back that I was smarter than half the people in the region on the general channel
Fact What you posted above is a direct attack on me and is exactly what you claim you have never done
Can someone please stop the current poll and restart it. I have never known a bill to be put to a poll and constantly edited during a vote.
The region's current activity level is 4, which is low. We are officially out of "very low" territory! :)
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Not really. His changes is an appeal to the NO voters, so I think it's alright. If he made any changes that's against what the YES voters then that's another thing.
That being said, as of now, the poll has 1 day 6 hours left. Once there's only 1 day left, [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] it is best that you do not make anymore changes and keep everything as is for the last 24 hours. Changes during that period might make it a fair concern that the poll must be dismissed and redone at a later time.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Listen up here, Mr. Judicial President. I don't want any negative vibes bringing us down as a region. You're post is scaring away the Lucernist Gods! We need Lucerna and the Star King behind us if we're going to do well as a region. No more insults. Besides there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. It's hard to get things passed sometimes but you shouldn't give up.
I worked on a constitution for this region from the spring of 2015 to last summer. And it didn't pass because most of the nations were uneasy about the wording on certain things. Plus some things were ambiguous. Passing a law can be a long and difficult process.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Parakka's list with my commentary:
* Delegate reduced to nothing more than a janitor type position.
Comments:
When did this happen!!!!???? We really do need another coup.
I have this:
"Viceroy (WA Delegate)
Powers: Executive, etc., can call for vote.
How selected / replaced: WA Endorsements or removed by Founder in an emergency"
From here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620
So the Viceroy should have access to all possible powers, is allowed to use such powers, and can call for a vote. I guess the Delegate [I]can be[/I] a janitor Delegate if that's the kind they want to be. It's a free region, right?
* Citzens Status Act not being maintained by any of the following:- Prime Minister, Delegate or Judicial President
Commentary: Isn't Mugwop already doing this?
* People feel pushed away by the lack of organisation of the government and thus key pieces of legislation have stalled
Comments: Our region has a history of not passing legislation. Why stop now? My advice for those people who feel pushed away is to speak up. Be the change you want to see in the region! :)
* Activity throughout the region is down and the government isn't doing anything about it
Comments: My activity detector says our activity level is on the rise. ;)
* Minister reports not been submitted or written when we promised that we get them
Comments: What!? Where are your reports at, ministers? We were promised! Don't you want to keep your promises??
Random Imaginary Minister: When I took this job I didn't sign up for homework! I get enough of that from school!
Comments: Then why did you choose to take on the responsibility of political office?
* Lack of organisation throughout the government
Comment: Could you be more specific with this one [nation=short]Parakka Northland[/nation]?
* Government Ministers deciding unilaterally what government positions are important, and thus not implementing the government structure that we the people voted for.
Comments: When did this happen!?
* The Government and members of The Judical Council seeking to silence dissent within the region and ignoring concerns of the people
Comments: I will not be silenced until they understand that they get their power from the consent of the governed!
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'll reply fully when I get home, as there is a lot to reply to and being out at training today it wouldn't be suitable to try and reply to all questions via my phone.
Malcholm
About the Citizen Act, I must admit that I took over it after Parakka brought it up.
I don't know if it should fall under Minister of Domestic Affairs territory, but I figured someone gotta maintain it.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Ok. I figured I'd start a discussion on some of the points.
Parakka Northland
And believe me we appreciate it. You are like the glue of our region - the organizer that keeps everything going. I don't think anyone would know what was happening here if it wasn't for the clear guidelines you've developed for elections and things like that.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I would like to take this moment to recognize our most influential nations.
Currently our region holds 34,296 units of influence and NS classifies us as a moderate regional power. Congratulations to everyone!
The top ten nations that I would like to recognize for their solid dedication to growing their influence (which is our region's strongest and final line of defense from invasions) is as follows:
#1: New Bacon/New Bacon News holds 4,111 units of influence or approximately 12% of our region's entire influence.
#2: Illfated holds 3,847 units of influence or 11% of our region's entire influence.
#3: Parakka Northland, 3,413 or 10% of our region's influence.
#4: Forestavia/Oak (Hey that's me!), 3,330 or 9.7%.
#5: Barishmacht, 2,950 or 8.6%
#6: Gregorstan, 2,941 or 8.6%
#7: Teurs, 1,968 or 5.7%
#8: Gyuamno, 1,683 or 5%
#9: Mugwop/Ashah, 1,460 or 4.3%
#10: Malcholm, 1,348 or 4%
These top ten are the most influential nations in our region. Collectively they hold 27,051 units of influence or 78.875% of the region's influence.
Everyone else collectively holds 7,245 units of influence or 21.125% of the region's influence.
A special thanks goes to the top ten for protecting The Mystical Council from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=821031
This is a factbook with a link to the above post as well as a fancy pie chart.
[nation=short]Alistia[/nation], as Minister of Defense you might be interested in this information.
Alistia
I absolutely agree in regards to Report.I am going to start cracking skulls if all ministers don't make one next month
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Even I just submitted a report to the Minister of Defense and I'm not even a minister!
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation], do you still control Moltavo or is that Alistia's nation?
Malcholm, Truxol
Who controls TMC Weekly News?
Malcholm, Truxol
Me
Truxol
Ok. Next time I come out with the influence status report I will put both of your nations together. I think you might be in 11th now for the most influential if I add you and TMC weekly together.
Malcholm, Truxol, Viva Italia
I'll be taking about a week off from NS to deal with what I gotta deal with. I'll see you folks later.
Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
1) [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] has started as of yesterday i think taking over the responsibility of the Citizens register though technically its not his job. Not because it shouldn't be as there is a good case for it being his, but because people might not want to disclose the information and might only do that for those senior positions (judical president, prime minister, founder or delegate)
2) From the conversation i have had it seems that they feel that their voice wouldn't be heard in and you might have noticed when i started RPing my complaints they were by and large ignored for a time. Also who wants the stress of a possible confrontation with someone over something ([nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] post to me earlier highlights that point along with [nation=short]VIVA ITALIA[/nation] post located here https://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=the_mystical_council?postid=25290678#p25290678 Im sure your probably aware that i stepped down from being delegate, and whilst i ran and didn't get the position for culture minister, frankly if i'm honest i would have been the wrong man for the job)
3) Region activity is getting better but is that because im making a fuss so to speak? if so then activity will die down once the fuss is over. This is due to the lack of initiative by the government it seems to look at other ways to engage with the region members and get them to participate.
4) I know [nation=short]VIVA ITALIA[/nation] is trying to get the reports but the fact they have not been done or not handed in is not acceptable as that was one of the main promises during the prime minister elections. Coincidentally some [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] proposed bill is about government activity and completing reports, yet some of those who have voted in favour of it have not complied with writing and or submitting their report for this month or since they came to office....
5) In terms of the organisation part of the government, well the general feeling is that each minister is operating independently of each other and not pulling together as team. Look at the Constitution that was being written, it ground to a halt, because there was to much bickering and lack of organisation within the government to get the thing done to a point where it could be voted on. From the understanding i have, moving to this type of government system was suppose to address this issue yet it hasn't.
6) Government Ministers deciding unilaterally what government positions are important, look at the proposal by [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation], it suggests that if there is only one candidate for a position then it needs a 2/3 votes in favour for a person to be appointed to that position, from the Judicial President, Prime Minister and Delegate. If it doesn't get that 2/3 vote then the candidacy poll is reopened and if the situation happens again then the position is temporarily suspended due it being deemed of little importance by the region. To me there are two issues with this; firstly there could be a lack of candidates because activity is low and thus people don't feel its worth wasting their time on a position that has little function. Secondly, the fact someone has put their name forward and if they are the only one should enable them to sever on that position providing they meet our citizen rules.
Hope that answers your questions, any further ones ill happily answer
good luck, see you in a week
Malcholm
I did not know alistia has control over it. If he does, I probably have control over it as well.
Truxol
I think you misunderstand me. I just mean there is a lot of tension, I hope you relieve it rather than make it worse. I am not taking sides, I hope both of you can work it out.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
What do you suggest to me and other government members to address your grievances?
Truxol
Remember everyone the bill is revised since last night. I encourage "no" voters to go and read it and maybe vite yes if you like it.
I think in part the government ministers need to discuss what I have said and come up with an action plan of sorts to address them
Truxol, Exotic Lemon
seems fair. But that is more than jsut me. I will do my best to help them. What about me in particular, parakka, what do you think I should do?
Truxol, Parakka Northland
My advice would be as minister of culture, think about what attracted you to the region and why you by and large chose to stay here (I know you are an R/D guy hence why I said by and large). Think about what's changed in the past 6 months, and consider if those changes have been a positive or negative thing in relation to the unique culture of the region, then go from there really.
Exotic Lemon
Probably more 6 - 8 months really upon reflection
That is the one account in the region i don't have access too xD.
I never had it though and haven't talked to him in a [B]long time[/B].
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol, Exotic Lemon
I do not have control over it either
Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol
Well it was logged into 5 days ago. So is it a puppet or a person?
Also unpin Influence Status Report and ask [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] to include it in the Government Page. Better yet I think the content of the dispatch should exist directly inside the Regional Information Center dispatch; [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] can you do that?
Alistia, Malcholm
alistia asked me to pin it. I think he needs it.
Alistia, Truxol
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