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Region: The Mystical Council
so now you are just an absolute ruler not bound by any constitution or laws?
Northwest Germania
So does that mean your dispatch allows for yet another office, beside the delegate and the founder, that has [B]Border Control, Polls, Appearance, Embassies, and Communications powers[/B] as this dispatch indicates? https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620
Forestavia, Northwest Germania
I also provided a means to overturn the Emergency Government. Did we follow the procedure? No. The revolution just did what it wanted and with these decrees, I'm sending a clear message that the government will follow it's own laws.
I used to love this region, why ive been involved in it for 9 months. I used to love the founder espically, due to him being lax and letting the government flow freely.
Now the founder is restricting any and everything that he doesn't like.
He said he forgot to include it, so he probably mentioned it on the rmb before he drafted the proposal, and forgot to include it.
We have no constitution, thats the problem, the founder and delegate are fighting (not just exotic, naumadal, bacon etc).
And although the wa delegate has executive, the founder can repeal anything and everything they do.
the fight against the founder in one link: https://www.peaceproject.com/sites/default/files/S468_APatriotMustAlwaysBeReadyToDefendHisFreedomAgainstHisGovernment.jpg
If that's what we decide. It was not necessarily my intention. I was just proposing an idea. I didn't have it 100% worked out.
Forestavia, Northwest Germania
Nope. I have no political power other than emergency. And if this isn't a regional emergency, I'll eat my hat! I am within my power.
You sent the message. but you sent the wrong message. I don't know if I am misinterpreting you or what. It is good, healthy even that you are showing stronger leadership. But I am trying to be a stronger leader, but I am not using my emergency powers. I asked people if they wanted me to, and they said no.
Northwest Germania
You don't need to use your emergency powers to try and help the region. I am not using mine and I am doing my best to help.
Northwest Germania
The emergency was being solved until you decided to flash your guns on us all, thats the funny part, your intervention has made an already decayed atom rapidly lose mass.
Really? Four decrees. Two of them more clarifications than anything. I think you're exaggerating just a tad. Don't you think?
Look, I can't keep going back and fourth like this with you. We obviously have two different opinions on this. I've got to go. I'll be back very soon for the meeting. I hope you can make it.
Northwest Germania
plugo you should come back.
what time is it at?
i have re done the tags and such to fit the current situation.
Forestavia, Northwest Germania
"If that's what we decide" And how do you think it is fitting for us to decide that? Telegrams between a few of us, or all of the region having a say on it as we did on your dispatch?
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Northwest Germania
It should be voted on by all eligible nations, as it is a matter of constitutional importance.
Forestavia, Northwest Germania
Instead of doing a continual rant about the same thing, start the conversation about the titles you want.
You keep whining that it was done without you included but you could easily start a chat about the renaming.
meeting starts in 30 minutes
I don't care about the silly menial thing of the actual name of the office. Your vision is very limited and you can't see the problem that I am seeing.
Let me paint it for you clearly. Here is the actual issue: Should there be an office, that is beside the office of the delegate and the founder, that holds Border Control, Polls, Appearance, Embassies, and Communications powers. That's the actual issue. I don't care if it's called prime minister or butt-plug lord. What matters are the powers and the responsibilities held by that office.
AU912's dispatch states that only 2 people hold Border Control, Polls, Appearance, Embassies, and Communications powers: the founder, and the delegate (regardless of what call you the delegate, the name itself doesn't matter) What does matter is that unlike what Plugo says in his dispatch, there is no third officer in accordance to AU912's that holds Border Control, Polls, Appearance, Embassies, and Communications powers.
So if you do want such officer to exist, that is beside the founder and the delegate, it must be voted on by the whole region and no just discussed in telegrams between the few of you. Until then this dispatch https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620 is invalid. That's how I see it, that's what AU912 says here
and it is the only democratic way.
Forestavia
"This region is currently being squashed of all dissident ideas by its founder."
For crying out loud, remove this trash. Until Fest actually does something unethical, there is no need for such garbage on the WFE.
Forestavia
enough with the arguments and petty rivalry.
Northwest Germania
AU912's dispatch had 'TBD' for all the minister positions.
The temp govt. decided to use a merge of my proposal naumadals and au912's to make the cabinet.
No one objected, weather because they didnt mind the changes or didnt read the conversation.
we have always had a position with those authorities (LC pres, etc)
AU912 has a good dispatch, but even he accepts and admits that the govt positions aren't finished, all my proposal is is a 'fill in the blank' for his 'tba' positions.
I said enough with the arguments.
Meeting starts in 5 minutes. Everyone please prepare.
You are all oo emotionally invested in this argument.
[nation=short]plugo[/nation] its sad you spent 9 months of your time here just to see it all crumble away to nothing, but [nation=short]plugo[/nation] [nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] and all others who are dis satisfied with the government should deal with it or leave.
Fort has already made his position, he won't stop his emergency powers business probably for a month until the 'elections' take place.
The founders word is law now, whatever that word may be.
It sucks but we decided to stay in a region that is ultimately controlled by one person so we can't change it.
I am intolerant of the founders block on the peoples wishes, and the constant bickering between the citizens of this region.
The founder has made his decision, deal with it or leave.
(I am leaving, if another region is made by those opposing forestavia is created i will join, unless that happens, have a good life.)
too*
I am considering new regions as well.
Attention please
Meeting starts now. Everyone please stay on for a little to follow and discuss ideas.
Forestavia, Civilisunio
Ill leave my puppet borbun here, goodluck with the region.
before you go, I think it is best that should we decide to create a new region, that we all go together.
i would be down for that, but i would like [nation=short]lampar[/nation] [nation=short]civilisunio[/nation] [nation=short]new_bacon[/nation] to go too.
Lampar, Civilisunio
I would like [nation=short]plugo[/nation] to be founder. Who would you guys support as founder?
Civilisunio
you or plugo or civ
How about we actually start the meeting instead of this protest stuff?
Exotic Lemon, Rondaland
I would also not mind [nation=short]new bacon[/nation] what does everyone else think?
Rondaland
meeting is starting, but we are waiting for more people.
just start it, others can join in.
Meeting is called to order.
I believe i represent everyone when I say forestavia I think you have gone too far.
Rondaland
Actually I have to go to dinner, be back hopefully in less than 10 minutes.
Really? Explain.
Rondaland
im just going to say this.
1. we had a huge govt that got nothing done.
2. founder replaced that govt with a larget govt that got nothing done.
3. revolter destorys that govt, starts a new one.
4. the new one is starting out
5. the founder blocks the new one from starting out
6. founder refuses to let the new govt have a chance, royalists and revolutionaries constantly argueing
7. if this continues it will lead to moderator intervention i bet, and no one wants to be deleted.
almost everyone
you should have just gave the new govt a chance.
you stopped their reforms because its not democratic and doesnt rep the minority, but you do the exact same thing.
its the 49% vs the 51%
I haven't stopped anything, with the exception of one poll. I want this government to be successful. That's why we're going to go about this the right way.
Also last I checked I complied with the revolutionary movement. AU912's draft passed. Now we have to go into detail with it. And I suggest that we use this meeting to do just that.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=683620
http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=689291
We need to figure out which we're going with and then we should include more details in it and put it back up for a vote so that the people can give us the thumbs up or the thumbs down for Draft #2.
How many people should be on the Lunar Council? 5, like old times? Or something else?
Im back
I think it was 5 or 7.
I thought someone said that 7 was too big.
I find 7 is too big, but I am just quoting someone else. I forgot who.
you still there rondaland?
Rondaland
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation], many of us here are considering creating a new region. What do you have to say about that?
Civilisunio
why must we re implement a failed system..
Exotic Lemon
i don't think plugo meant his to be a seperate proposal, he just filled in parts that au912 hadn't decided on yet
i like au912's idea of the lc as an un appointed judicial branch, are you really unwilling to have a new government system?
all of these "councils" and large group governments are stale
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
I want a small, efficient government. What does everyone else want?
Rondaland
You are free to come or go as you please. That's all I have to say about that.
I would rather focus on developing this constitutional monarchy idea, though.
As long as there are enough checks and balances to prevent tyranny, a small government is good.
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
I don't want to give up on this region. But my friends are leaving left and right and you don't seem to care.
As my youngest daughter has decided to have a mile down and as I'm sat up with her I thought I would catch up on the RMB.
From what I've read three of you are talking about and have expressed a desire for a further 2 to join you. Here's the problem I have with this, is effectively you have backed both yourself and fore unto a corner. If he doesn't do what you want you are gone and if he does then it sends a message that this sort of stunt will work in the future. I'm sure you would agree, it's hard to negotiate from the position you have created.
Rondaland
I have no intention on leaving, yet anyway. I didn't mean to back him into a corner, I wanted to hear his opinions.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Then we should send Plugo's dispatch right back to the Legislature then, right?
wait you have a daughter?
we need [nation=short]plugo[/nation] to be here.
Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Rondaland
I like the idea of the Council as a judicial branch as well.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon, Rondaland
11 month old, a 4 year old step daughter and a new born in about 10 weeks due
How old are you again? and are you married?
I honestly can't understand why they are ready to give up on their government so soon. You are welcome to stay. I'd prefer if everyone stays but I know nothing lasts forever.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland
I feel like your royal decrees are the reason everyone is leaving.
Im glad that's not your intention. But can you see how it looks? Everyone has ended up backed into a corner and the only out is to back down which will create problems in the future.
Exotic Lemon
then it is time to solve those problems.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
31 this year and getting married next year now lol
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Civilisunio
I am a teenager. This is so weird.
New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Congratulations.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
But back to reform. [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] I cannot stand your royal decrees.
Rondaland
People are leaving because they really care about their chosen stance not because of the decrees. I'm sure during the revolution their was a post basically saying oak should take control and sort this mess out. Yet when he does get involved everyone is up in arms about it
Forestavia
Thank you
Rondaland
I have certain standards. If I feel the people are getting the short end of the stick then I will act. Now can we please talk about this government that you revolutionaries fought so hard for or are we going to continue to debate my decrees. My decrees aren't up for debate. The details of this government are. Was the point of this meeting to talk about our constitutional monarchy or are we going to continue to play bash the Monarch?
Parakka Northland
I find that this region is changed forever, but we are nowhere close to perfecting the government.
Forestavia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland, Rondaland
their is no legislature.
my main problem is that you dismantled our only hope at establishing an early democracy to deal with the problems at hand.
even if every nation in the region was crying over the 2 day poll time, their was only a few hours left on it.
your region for deleting it could have been negated if you read the dispatches (even if it was passed illegally).
Exotic Lemon
The meeting was to both bash your decrees and fix the government. Your decrees are part of the problem.
Rondaland
If that was said it was said by those who are defending oaks decrees.
Exotic Lemon
I agree when teurs alistia and plugo left they said...
Wait for me to find and quote them. I dont think teurs said anything though.
au912's idea was awesome, but i feel this monarchy has gone to the regions head and needs to be scrapped.
make it so the founder has barely any power, and so during emergency situations like this the lc would have the power, that way the regions fate is decided by those impartial to regional petty arguments, but also not by one person.
This mess all started with the changes to Sentagon goverment and then people wanting to change the LC. Yet before that besides the occasional ups and down with arguments the LC worked. Yes granted during those arguments it might have helped if Oak had stepped in to bash some heads together. But other than that it pretty much worked. Since these changes have happen it's been nothing but one mess after anouther
I don't think we need a meeting to bash decrees. We should, however, try to work out a deal. And if things don't improve, then a general strike is probably the best solution.
Forestavia, Rondaland
keep au912's judical branch idea.
keep the two houses (renamed)
[insert idea for legislative or ministers here]
Yes, there is. Read both dispatches. The Legislature is the people. The people voted on AU912's government and they got Plugo's dispatch instead. Something's not right here. Just saying.
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Can we please stop talking about this?
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Ok, we have two dispatches that contradict each other and a poll (that was too short to begin with) plus massive confusion about whether or not the WA Delegate actually is the prime minister. Of course I'm justified in deleting the poll. We're going to do it over. End of story.
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Parakka Northland
oak hasn't been that tyrannious, but due to his usual laid back stance it has had an effect on the region because he has never done such things before.
he needs to either play a major role in the government, or a very minor one, can't have it both ways and can't pick and choose which he is gonna be for certain situations.
Exotic Lemon
I couldn't find why they left. These decrees are infuriating though. I will not continue to sit here and watch you make more demands.
no, the poll time was perfect, all you did by deleting it is increase the time we are under your grasp.
Exotic Lemon
You missed my point I was trying to make and I know that was not a quote made by anyone who left and it wasn't meant to be
the reason is the fact that Au912 was quite vague at the time. Plugo posted the exact same idea with literally just the names of titles. That doesn't make it his idea, that makes it Au912s with plugo adding titles. I could have the title "village idiot" and it is still the same government
Northwest Germania
we voted for who would be running for the position ages ago. https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=67808
they didn't get my dispatch, all i did was create a poll that was promised to the people.
that poll which was closed 4 days ago before i created my edit of au912 specificly had the prime minister and delegate as different positions.
[nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] you voted to run for delegate in this poll: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=67808 so i don't see why you where confused when the delegate and minister are completely different positions.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=67808
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=67808
Exotic Lemon
I haven't demanded anything other than democracy but if that's an issue for you then please do say so, so we all know where we stand?
Northwest Germania
he meant to quote fort prob.
Not for some of us, myself included. I have a life.
It is an issue because every attempt I made at restoring democracy ended with a deleted poll or royal decree. I promised the return of democracy. however, decrees and powers and polls keeps setting back democracy, and you know what that makes me? A liar. I will not be known as a liar.
Northwest Germania
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