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Region: The Mystical Council
Not much discussion has taken place since we had that whole emergency bit, but yeah, it does feel kinda quick. I didn't say we should be making a revised version of the LC for the new gov't :P
I was actually just starting work on revising Bacon's constitution proposal so that it better fits and fixes the system we already had minus 2 ministers. My vote currently sits for having 3 fixed ministry positions in addition to the Del (MoFA, Defense, Interior), but if we want to make those three positions more flexible and LC-like I'm cool with it. All three + del could handle the responsibilities equally, and the del is just generally the one who could be the figurehead/decision-maker in most instances.
Alistia, Terran Flux
new regional info center since Oak will probably CTE again someday: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=902798
Fair enough.
I could compromise on agreeing with that if the power of the judiciary was greatly increased.
Making it more old lc like by adding more legislative powers to them like in the old days, and adding actual appointment with that.
Malcholm
I would point out that we did have a poll to reduce the government. Forest in his defence did try bring the discussion to this during his emergency status but no one seemed to willing to discuss that.... as such I felt that after 4 to 5 days enough time had elapsed To make the follow up poll. Once we have decided upon a system then we can deal with the election system.
We were focused on the emergency and not actual reform.
Plus the fact that forest tried to initiate it turned people off.
I say 2-3 days for people to make a new proposal should be added.
Or at least a 3rd option for 'a custom system i made and have a dispatch for'
Malcholm
Well, yeah, but those 4-5 days were mostly spent yelling at Oak to clean his room. I'd say give it another day of discussion (at least!) and let me write up a secondary constitution proposal before we actually implement any of this.
Alistia
Amazing. Few minor things though.
One: i made an updated versions of mugwops dispatch here; https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=899997
Two: you should update the membership of your party with the poll in the backup region (add me to it as well)
Three: the bb code is a bit messed up here: Previous Government Systems:
Four: not sure if this is in it, but you should link to oak/forests old dispatch of our history etc.
Malcholm
Tell you both what as a compromise let’s finish this poll once we know what system wins we can then put it to a final poll with other people’s write up and go from there?
Otherwise it will be down to Exotic Lemon to make the call.
Alistia
Fair
Malcholm
This one? https://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=373754
If yeah, it's already on there.
Same.
Alistia
Yeah that one, good.
Malcholm
Great I'll put it in the government page shortly.
Malcholm, Terran Flux
As a matter of fact I'm going to merge most of the factbooks so that way it doesn't get too overcrowded in the factbooks section when I post news stories once in a blue moon.
Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux
Yes. Gyuamno was our best cookie baker but he is gone. Sad
New Bacon, Terran Flux
Great. I hate my tie-breaker vote.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
I'll be leaving the region for others - still gotta recruit'em Conservatives, ya know? I may or may not send a puppet nation of mine for here, when my exams end. After all, this region's quite nice.
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=103548
That can go away :)
The amendments to the Citizenship Bill and the Basic Rights of Nations have both passed, meaning they're in effect effective 20 hours ago. New Bacon, Alistia, make sure to update any references you have in your factbooks to the new ones.
CB: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901664
BRoN: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=901683
New Bacon
I just wanted to clear this up. I am the owner of Tmc Refounder. I made it to preserve a region, The Military Commonwealth (hence the TMC), which is very important to my current region's history. It was our original region, and we had to abandon it after the Founder committed treason. However, the Founder CTE'd a year later, and a prominent member of my current region refounded it and held some RPs there. However, he CTE'd due to ill health and I took over to make sure that we still own our old region.
My region and I have no connections whatsoever to Oakplumington, Forestavia, or this region. I, in fact, had never heard of it until I did my weekly puppet check and saw the RMB notifications. If you need to contact me for some reason, please send all correspondence to New-Ish Bulgaria.
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Kinda ironic that your founder committed treason, but thanks for the clear up.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Thanks for the heads up. I was honestly considering enacting some drastic defensive reform.
Alistia, Malcholm
That is not ironic.
That is coincidental.
Do you even English, bro?
Malcholm, Terran Flux
Hi there. Delegate of the ever so fun region Capricornarius here. I hope our regions can get along well. We may stop by to talk every once and a while and you are welcome to do likewise on our rmb.
Alistia, Malcholm
BREAKING
President Climaco Speaks,
"I am officially rescinding the state of emergency for New Bacon. This also means the curfew is lifted. All New Baconians can go back to their normal routine. We thank everyone for there cooperation for this emergency situation. The Threat for the nation New Bacon being kicked out the region is far less now."
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I like to ponder things sometimes. Like what really is the difference between an ironic coincidence and a coincidental irony? These things keep me up at night!
Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Post self-deleted by Qulica.
Updated and done
Alistia, Malcholm
Same
New Bacon, Malcholm
Also, The rmb has chilled down and such, but just want to give a quick synopsis of what my idea for the lunar council is.
Since it seems were gonna have the 3 person ministry, id like to give the lunar council a job.
They do nothing besides court cases, which are fairly rare (with 3-4 max per year).
Id like to restore some of their powers from the old days, to give them the ability of a legislative branch to create, review, etc of laws.
A rename some of us like is the 'Imperial Senate'.
Another idea that isn't as well thought out as the previous, is to give the fire chief more specific duties and to work for one of the branches.
One idea is for it to represent the ministries ideas in the Imperial Senate, or vice versa.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Had exhaust work done 2 months ago and the entire exhaust failed today while driving! Wonderful luck!
Now it sounds like I'm running that turbo diesel 6 cylinder Cummings ;-)
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux
Just saying that the fire chief position would be going as part of the reforms. It’s a position with no purpose and should probably never have been created in the first place.
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm
A firey orange bird flys in with a letter
[Spoiler=The Letter]Hello from the Worldly Debate Region! Thank you for establishing embassies with us, we hope to build and maintain a long lasting and friendly relationship with you guys! :)[/Spoiler]
New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux
I've been dealing with complex math. Calculus material is difficult and I've been focused on it more.
Alistia, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon, Bacon Central News, Sagacious Phoenix
I was against its creation.
It exists, and its gonna have a purpose working for the senate or ministers.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Civilisunio has betrayed us by taking our RP region of Warzone TMC for himself.
New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
If he wanted to use it for military purposes, he could have just asked
New Bacon, Terran Flux
Oh. Ew. Warzone TMC isn't even a good JP.
Alistia, New Bacon, Terran Flux
Did you miss the part about reducing the number of pointless positions?
Gyuamno
I'll be posting the next poll later today. So can people make sure their proposals are done to be included otherwise we will for go the poll and take the results of the last poll
New Bacon, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Are you surprised? At least it isn't TMC yet.
New Bacon, Malcholm
At least wait till tomorrow. Like 10pm your time tomorrow
New Bacon
I'll compromise with you by waiting till tomorrow afternoon UK time so 1pm. That way I should be back from work and be able to set up the poll properly.
Alistia, New Bacon
Just a heads up, I'm keeping my Wa on https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tatha when I can.
Malcholm, so you know where'd it'd be
Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Does anyone know what that Qulica person kept posting to be deleted their nation? Was it really that bad? They posted on our RMB and deleted the message.
Alistia
Likely someone who was jumping from region to region posting recruitment posts and the like. I'm guessing that the fact that they're gone now is a clue in to angry mods.
Alistia, New Bacon, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Parakka Northland elections every month for ~6 positions?? How is that reducing the number of polls lol.
At least give quarterly terms or something.
Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux
No elections every month for 2 positions. One minister and one lunar councillor. Instead of an election season lasting 5 plus weeks. It will last 2 weeks (give or take a couple of days) for each election.
Minister Election
Candidate Poll = 3 days.
Election = 3 days
Total 6 days
Lunar Councillor Election
Candidate Poll = 3 days.
Election = 3 days
Total 6 days
Total election season per month 12 days.
Basically Domestic Minister = 1st month
Foreign Affairs Minister = 2nd Month
Defence Minister = 3rd Month.
The cycle repeats itself.
And when you make that per year is 144 days? That's 40% of the year being elections...
Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux
See my edited post
Malcholm
Okay, it makes sense now, you're stagnating the positions.
I thought you were doing them all at once. :P
Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
In comparison to what we did have it's one hell of an improvement.
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Southern Forestavia
Hell no! Haha
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm
Very true, it has my vote!
Haha that's why you were scaring me for a minute.
I'm going to go eat breakfast, have a good one!
New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Have a good breakfast. Eat lemon pancakes
New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux
Thats lame, the ministerial positions in the cabinet should serve all at the same time
Also that tg is total fcking bs.
Me wnd malcholm both made it clear for a week plus we have our own proposalsx yet you refuse to let people vote on them!? Smfh
And i hope this new election schedule and govt reform isnt being forced on us against tje will of the people..
It’s been 6 days since the last polll, you said you could get one done in 2 to 3 days. Yet last night I decided the issue needed to settled so a set a final deadline for proposals to be submitted. You asked for 10 pm uk time to day, I compromised with 1pm. That time arrived today and no telegram or PM on Discord had been received with any proposal and as such in informed the region of the outcome. Which was to honour the results of the last poll.
I have not refused to allow people to submit a proposal, and I have not forced a reform on the region. If you disagree remove me from office as you have the power.
I do have a proposal, but it's for a Constitution for a modified version of our current government, not a separate or individual system of governance. Still the same 1 exec, 3 minister, 3 JC we've been tossing around.
Alistia, New Bacon, Exotic Lemon
I also agree with that, but wih major judiciary reforms
New Bacon, Malcholm
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
No Caliginous junk cted. You will be missed
Gyuamno, Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Civilisunio
Oi.
Malcholm
Just saw this. Hardly lame and it ensures a better election schedule.
Malcholm
We can do it where the election and nomination poll for the ministers takes up 7 days. 3 nominaion, 4 to vote.
With 4 ministers that takes less then a month and they can be appointed at the same time.
Doesnt make since for the cabinet not to serve the same time as a whole.
so we waste an entire month of elections which wont be run on time, plus you also have to fit the lunar council election in as well, as such its unlikely to work.
You guys should ban and unban Civilisunio few more times just for good measure.
Alistia, Malcholm, Southern Forestavia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
not a bad idea, maybe make it into a game?
Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Thats culture right there
Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
The PM doesn't have the authority to dismiss the government.
New Bacon, Malcholm
No I don't but the region does. If it votes that the government is incapable of operating then it's dismantled pending re-election or when the delegate actually implements the new system.
New Bacon
I see you deleted the poll when you had no authorisation to do so, which is a violation of your station and only goes to prove my point.
New Bacon
I have decided to step down as Prime Minister. Thank you to those that voted for me I greatly appreciate it.
Alistia, New Bacon
I urge you to reconsider, the region needs you
What do I need to implement?
Alistia, New Bacon
Thanks for the vote of confidence, though I doubt it would be as easy as me simply saying I changed my mind lol.
I sent a region wide telegram the other day. As I'm no longer PM you can do with it as you wish.
We're really taking this to court? sigh
I am literally still burned out from the last one when I was a judge 😫
Alistia, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Nope nothing is going to trial, so don't worry just yet.
Alistia, Malcholm
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i love starting the day at 3PM. i got too turnt last night and want to sleep now
alistia you should complain more about people trying to change the region. no one cares that you "made" the current system. it sucks.
you had no right to delete Parakka's poll, you're not even a legitimate government position, youre some random ass position Forest made up for fun yet you think you run the place.
i luv Parakka Northland
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Sounds like people want this poll.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Love you to comrade
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
Seems that way, you can always repost the poll?
Malcholm, Terran Flux
:D!
that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me
Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Comrade Gyuamno, please be gentle with the alistia. It just requires feeding.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
RIP Illfated.
I guess you could say his journey was, *puts on sunglasses* ill fated
Gyuamno, Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Southern Forestavia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
*jumps off bridge*
Gyuamno, Alistia, New Bacon, Southern Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
im tired of beating around the issue. this region is a giant echo chamber because people are scared to do anything. Parakka does something and gets crucified while alistia throws a temper tantrum about his precious system that should never change. apparently he has no time for anything and is busy but has no issue stonewalling region progress.
how about use the powers granted to you and stop asking 3 other people for permission. you have the damn powers you dont need permission for every damn thing you do. buck up and have some confidence in what youre doing.
Alistia, Malcholm, Southern Forestavia, Parakka Northland
What would you like me to do?
Terran Flux
this wasn't directed at anyone in particular, but everyone as a whole.
you could have supported our prime minister and reinstated the poll which a NON GOVERNMENT officer deleted.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Very well. As soon as this poll is over, I will put up one for if we need a fire chief.
Gyuamno
see, you have ideas. just follow through, you shouldn't need to ask 3 other people permission to put a poll up :P
strange that a non government officer has more authority than the Minister of Defense and Minister of Foreign Affairs no?
plus if you go way back, the actual job of the fire chief was never defined so for all intents and purposes doesn't exist. Forest never got around to writing out the power and job duties, instead, someone thought it we be good to give them every officer power! :D
Alistia, Parakka Northland
Sometimes it's best to step back and watch things crash and burn from a distance. TMC will continue to stagnate until the nations begin working together. Or until something happens that unites the region like an invasion or a zombie apocalypse. But even those things will only bring temporary unity.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Would you like to come back? I know you're watching us.
I'm good right here. In the warzone. Yep. Everything is good in the hood.
Ok, I have to admit I may be having some separation anxiety. It's, it's, it's normal - from what I hear.
Gyuamno, Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
*sigh*
Ok, first off, I haven't been as active on the rmb as usual nor posting on the discord as much bevause I am getting tired of the bickering.
I am still, trying, to do the duties of the foreign Minister.
This fighting...it's distracting...can we please just try to function as one region, and not sepereate entitites? Try to get some cohersion around here?
Alistia, Malcholm, Southern Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
But then isn't that just contributing to the echo chamber? 😛
Any submissions for the essay contest?
Gyuamno, Terran Flux, Civilisunio
There were a few.
Malcholm
Would this help?
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=southern_forestavia/detail=factbook/id=908149
Drastic times may require drastic measures. Now before you all start throwing pies at me, I want you to know that this is my best stab at trying to help.
It's all I got.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
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