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I have to admit, I think this whole Sentagon autonomous branch experiment might not be as successful as I was hoping it would be when I first started designing it. I'm beginning to think that we may have to go back to the drawing board large sections of our constitution. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on it yet. Let's see if there is a way to still save it. But there are just a ton of pesky details that keep coming to the surface. The past few weeks in particular have really revealed some problems with Sentagon.

New Bacon, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland

So a WA nation who was a former delegate is puppet.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Malcholm wrote:There's no need to bother with re-adding me, I've got something else in mind.

Ok then. [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] The Mystical Council re-welcomes you!

Malcholm, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

Also [nation=short]malcholm[/nation] you missed some major things,

-Protests of how other branches of government can vote for sentagon's president

-The Merging of [region=Star Wars Battlefront] and [region=Varangian Guard] into [region=The Battle Guard] and recent legislation passed to make this region the official military of The Mystical Council which passed by only Sentagon and the Lunar Council.

-The switching of Presidents of [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation]. Taharqa got voted out so now the new President is Tycho Clímaco.

Malcholm, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Welcome back [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]

Forestavia wrote:I have to admit, I think this whole Sentagon autonomous branch experiment might not be as successful as I was hoping it would be when I first started designing it. I'm beginning to think that we may have to go back to the drawing board large sections of our constitution. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on it yet. Let's see if there is a way to still save it. But there are just a ton of pesky details that keep coming to the surface. The past few weeks in particular have really revealed some problems with Sentagon.

I wouldn't give up on it just yet but I think a definition of each branches role in the region maybe needed in order to give each branch a sense of identity.

Malcholm, Barishmacht, Republic Of Greater Cuba

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Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:The Communist Bloc is falling

I highly doubt that. Take a look at the amount of influence the Delegate has over there.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Forestavia wrote:I highly doubt that. Take a look at the amount of influence the Delegate has over there.

Population wise it is, and really fast

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

I don't even think there will be a communist bloc by 2017

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:Population wise it is, and really fast

Oh....look at that. You're right. What did they use to have, 1000 - 1200ish?

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:Population wise it is, and really fast

Look at the total population though. They can loose a lot more before things get questionable for them.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Forestavia wrote:Oh....look at that. You're right. What did they use to have, 1000 - 1200ish?

1,500 or 1,400

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:Look at the total population though. They can loose a lot more before things get questionable for them.

still, losing 600 or 700 nations in a month and a half is pretty big

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:still, losing 600 or 700 nations in a month and a half is pretty big

Well, that's worth keeping an eye on, then. It might just be that many of their players are going back to school, etc., and can't remain as active. Or they could be up to something.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:Well, that's worth keeping an eye on, then. It might just be that many of their players are going back to school, etc., and can't remain as active. Or they could be up to something.

yeah, it just seems so weird, they aren't even mentioning it

Correction:

Nations will be required to RP as their national leader, not regional leader. That was a typing mistake.

Republic Of Greater Cuba

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I will sort out the votes after the poll is done, most of the current votes are legitimate.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon

Plugo wrote:I will sort out the votes after the poll is done, most of the current votes are legitimate.

Good luck with that

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

[nation=short]Cielloe[/nation],

[nation=short]Keongard[/nation]

[nation=short]Acce[/nation]

[nation=short]Dhinka[/nation]'s

[nation=short]sirdhir[/nation]

Votes dont count.

[nation=short]mariborough[/nation] & [nation=short]lese[/nation] will fit the 7 day req before the poll ends, but on suspision that they are puppets their vote wont count unless they join the WA for a few days.

Forestavia, Patialand, Republic Of Greater Cuba

This region is very complex. Why don't you have the sentagon within the region itself? Why the heck is it a different region?

Plugo, Civilisunio

Patialand wrote:This region is very complex. Why don't you have the sentagon within the region itself? Why the heck is it a different region?

No clue

Malcholm, Plugo

Patialand wrote:This region is very complex. Why don't you have the sentagon within the region itself? Why the heck is it a different region?

The only one who can answer that is [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] who's idea it was.

I am adding you to the sentagon list, do you wish to join any political party?

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Patialand wrote:This region is very complex. Why don't you have the sentagon within the region itself? Why the heck is it a different region?

Because it'S not the mythical council, its senatgon. It deserves its own place for Its people to talk in private on the RMB, etc.

Patialand, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Civilisunio wrote:Because it'S not the mythical council, its senatgon. It deserves its own place for Its people to talk in private on the RMB, etc.

Indeed, sentagon is an entity in tmc.

Funny how you understand it more then people (me included) who have been here for almost a year

Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:No clue

Wouldn't it have been simpler if it was a independent branch in this region itself

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Patialand wrote:Wouldn't it have been simpler if it was a independent branch in this region itself

I have been here for only a short amount of time, but I would like it if it was

Patialand, Naumadal

Plugo wrote:The only one who can answer that is [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] who's idea it was.

I am adding you to the sentagon list, do you wish to join any political party?

Yes the solidarity bloc

Plugo, Naumadal

Patialand wrote:Yes the solidarity bloc

Not Spectrum?

Patialand wrote:Wouldn't it have been simpler if it was a independent branch in this region itself

It is, but it has its own capital.

And yes it would have been simpler but the members of the branch need a seperate place to do things that don't involve the other branches.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

Patialand wrote:Yes the solidarity bloc

KK ill contact [nation=short]naumadal[/nation] and they will add you to their list! :)

Naumadal

Patialand wrote:Wouldn't it have been simpler if it was a independent branch in this region itself

No. Sentagon is a entity within TMC. They make descisions that they can't discuss on this rmb, etc.

The U.S. Congress, Supreme Court, and Presidential branches aren't together they are separate. Same with other branches in other countries. Its just how they work.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Patialand wrote:This region is very complex. Why don't you have the sentagon within the region itself? Why the heck is it a different region?

The Lunar Council elections are very clean compared to what we've been going through with Sentagon. We're still trying to work out the kinks. The extra region was supposed to be an extra place to hold polls and stuff but.... yeah, I'm thinking about just letting it die and completely incorporating Sentagon back into the region.

I'm thinking about all kinds of things. I really don't want to get into all this until after the election is over. Because I don't want to cause any more confusion than we've already gone through.

[spoiler=sneak preview]Some of the ideas I've had are opening up Sentagon elections to all "registered voters" (this is a term that would have to be defined based on residency). This would open up Sentagon elections to the Delegate and Lunar Councillors who are currently unable to vote within Sentagon.

A new definition that we could use. Sentagon - a 5 member branch of government consisting of 4 members of Parliament and one President (could change the title to Prime Minister, possibly).

These 5 members would be elected by the registered voters. Registered voters with WA would get two votes.

Lunar Council elections would still be done the same way and would remain unaffected.

Sentagon would be left to die.

We would have three branches of government. A Delegate, 5 Lunar Councillors, and 5 members of Sentagon.

The Sentagon Membership List (currently maintained by Plugo) would become a list of registered voters. The Lunar Council and Delegate would be included on the list.

A registered voter could be defined as a resident nation who has fulfilled the requirements defined by Sentagon Policy 1.

Section 6 of the constitution would only apply to regional laws and would no longer apply to elections.

These are just some of the ideas I have. Let's discuss this more after the election. I do not want to change the system while we're in the middle of voting.

[/spoiler]

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:The Lunar Council elections are very clean compared to what we've been going through with Sentagon. We're still trying to work out the kinks. The extra region was supposed to be an extra place to hold polls and stuff but.... yeah, I'm thinking about just letting it die and completely incorporating Sentagon back into the region.

I'm thinking about all kinds of things. I really don't want to get into all this until after the election is over. Because I don't want to cause any more confusion than we've already gone through.

[spoiler=sneak preview]Some of the ideas I've had are opening up Sentagon elections to all "registered voters" (this is a term that would have to be defined based on residency). This would open up Sentagon elections to the Delegate and Lunar Councillors who are currently unable to vote within Sentagon.

A new definition that we could use. Sentagon - a 5 member branch of government consisting of 4 members of Parliament and one President (could change the title to Prime Minister, possibly).

These 5 members would be elected by the registered voters. Registered voters with WA would get two votes.

Lunar Council elections would still be done the same way and would remain unaffected.

Sentagon would be left to die.

We would have three branches of government. A Delegate, 5 Lunar Councillors, and 5 members of Sentagon.

The Sentagon Membership List (currently maintained by Plugo) would become a list of registered voters. The Lunar Council and Delegate would be included on the list.

A registered voter could be defined as a resident nation who has fulfilled the requirements defined by Sentagon Policy 1.

Section 6 of the constitution would only apply to regional laws and would no longer apply to elections.

These are just some of the ideas I have. Let's discuss this more after the election. I do not want to change the system while we're in the middle of voting.

[/spoiler]

I think the delegate should be a member of sentagon though, since he is elected by their endorsements (and that of the lc, but mainly those from sentagon)

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

[nation=short]plugo[/nation] you should like create a google forum for people wishing to apply for Sentagon. Kinda like when you click on the map Factbook you click on the image and fill out the Google forum.

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Naumadal

Plugo wrote:I think the delegate should be a member of sentagon though, since he is elected by their endorsements (and that of the lc, but mainly those from sentagon)

Maybe. If we did that, we would have 2 branches of government instead of 3, right? I'm cool with that if that's what we want to do. It would reduce the power of the Delegate greatly though to include them in Sentagon. They would have to work closely with the President of Sentagon. And then that brings up another issue would we also include the Secretary Delegate as well?

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland, Naumadal

Patialand wrote:Yes the solidarity bloc

Welcome to the bloc!

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon

New Bacon wrote:[nation=short]plugo[/nation] you should like create a google forum for people wishing to apply for Sentagon. Kinda like when you click on the map Factbook you click on the image and fill out the Google forum.

I do think the process is too lose, at least when you apply you should be required to list all puppets and other nations you control, and where your wa nation is at (if you don't have one then join on the nation you're applying with)

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba

Naumadal wrote:I do think the process is too lose, at least when you apply you should be required to list all puppets and other nations you control, and where your wa nation is at (if you don't have one then join on the nation you're applying with)

Yeah that's why I mentioned the Google forum

Dosh Semiw, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Naumadal

Forestavia wrote:Maybe. If we did that, we would have 2 branches of government instead of 3, right? I'm cool with that if that's what we want to do. It would reduce the power of the Delegate greatly though to include them in Sentagon. They would have to work closely with the President of Sentagon. And then that brings up another issue would we also include the Secretary Delegate as well?

Hmm so that means the president of Sentagon will be executive basically with veto and approval power. I'm gonna sit in a corner a not say anything and just watch the wheels of Sentagon turn.

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Naumadal

New Bacon wrote:Hmm so that means the president of Sentagon will be executive basically with veto and approval power. I'm gonna sit in a corner a not say anything and just watch the wheels of Sentagon turn.

You pretty much described the British monarchy :P

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Plugo, Civilisunio

I think the delegate should have more power then the president, but what if the delegate retained all his powers, but was able to participate in voting on sentagon legislation and elections?

He wouldn't be under me but he wouldn't have the power to make executive decisions For sentagon.

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

Plugo wrote:I think the delegate should have more power then the president, but what if the delegate retained all his powers, but was able to participate in voting on sentagon legislation and elections?

He wouldn't be under me but he wouldn't have the power to make executive decisions For sentagon.

It's on y'all as sentagon members to decide what you all want to do. I don't mind working with you Plugo. I was president of Sentagon before anyways and I know pretty much how Sentagon operates.

Dosh Semiw, Republic Of Greater Cuba

Plugo wrote:I think the delegate should have more power then the president, but what if the delegate retained all his powers, but was able to participate in voting on sentagon legislation and elections?

He wouldn't be under me but he wouldn't have the power to make executive decisions For sentagon.

That's food for thought.

One issue that stands out immediately concerns elections. If we gave the Delegate the privilege of participating in Sentagon elections why wouldn't we also give our Lunar Council members the same opportunity?

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal

Forestavia wrote:That's food for thought.

One issue that stands out immediately concerns elections. If we gave the Delegate the privilege of participating in Sentagon elections why wouldn't we also give our Lunar Council members the same opportunity?

because members of the lunar council can't be sentagon members, once they gain the seat they give up all their rights to sentagon.

i'm just saying that the delegate should be considered a member of sentagon, not that they should be making decisions for sentagon necessarily.

Alistia, Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Naumadal

Plugo wrote:because members of the lunar council can't be sentagon members, once they gain the seat they give up all their rights to sentagon.

i'm just saying that the delegate should be considered a member of sentagon, not that they should be making decisions for sentagon necessarily.

The president of Sentagon is responsible for making decisions not the delegate.

Alistia, Dosh Semiw, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Naumadal

Forestavia wrote:That's food for thought.

One issue that stands out immediately concerns elections. If we gave the Delegate the privilege of participating in Sentagon elections why wouldn't we also give our Lunar Council members the same opportunity?

Right now the delegate (one person) is a whole branch of government, the proposal is that the delegate keeps all his powers over TMC, but that he be included as a member of sentagon instead of having a whole seperate branch for themselves.

Forestavia, Alistia, Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

Naumadal wrote:Right now the delegate (one person) is a whole branch of government, the proposal is that the delegate keeps all his powers over TMC, but that he be included as a member of sentagon instead of having a whole seperate branch for themselves.

I do feel a little cut off from everyone else being one branch to myself honestly.

Forestavia, Alistia, Dosh Semiw, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

and [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] the secretary delegate is already considered a member of sentagon, so they would still retain the same duties for helping the delegate, nothing would change.

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw

Plugo wrote:because members of the lunar council can't be sentagon members, once they gain the seat they give up all their rights to sentagon.

i'm just saying that the delegate should be considered a member of sentagon, not that they should be making decisions for sentagon necessarily.

Should we just abolish the lc and replace it with the sentagon council

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Exotic Lemon wrote:Should we just abolish the lc and replace it with the sentagon council

Nooo

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Plugo

Naumadal wrote:Right now the delegate (one person) is a whole branch of government, the proposal is that the delegate keeps all his powers over TMC, but that he be included as a member of sentagon instead of having a whole seperate branch for themselves.

I see. Maybe things would be simpler that way - with two branches of government. How would we break up division in government? Let's say Sentagon passes something and the Lunar Council votes against it. How would we deal with that scenario?

Dosh Semiw, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:Nooo

The way I see it, this new sentagon council will just replace the lc.

Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:I see. Maybe things would be simpler that way - with two branches of government. How would we break up division in government? Let's say Sentagon passes something and the Lunar Council votes against it. How would we deal with that scenario?

This must be like how the Founding Fathers argued about stuff like this during the Constitutional Convention

Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Exotic Lemon wrote:The way I see it, this new sentagon council will just replace the lc.

The sentagon council won't have any powers in TMC though just in sentagon

Republic Of Greater Cuba

Alistia wrote:and [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] the secretary delegate is already considered a member of sentagon, so they would still retain the same duties for helping the delegate, nothing would change.

So let me get this straight.

Sentagon would consist of seven members. The Delegate, the Secretary Delegate, the President of Sentagon, and four members of Parliament.

Alistia, Republic Of Greater Cuba

Forestavia wrote:I see. Maybe things would be simpler that way - with two branches of government. How would we break up division in government? Let's say Sentagon passes something and the Lunar Council votes against it. How would we deal with that scenario?

How about a meeting with the delegate, and both presidents.

Exotic Lemon wrote:The way I see it, this new sentagon council will just replace the lc.

Comparing it to the usa - sentagon is the state government, congress and senate (LC) is the national government.

Alistia, Dosh Semiw, Naumadal

Plugo wrote:How about a meeting with the delegate, and both presidents.Comparing it to the usa - sentagon is the state government, congress and senate (LC) is the national government.

The lc is in need of reform though

New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Forestavia wrote:So let me get this straight.

Sentagon would consist of seven members. The Delegate, the Secretary Delegate, the President of Sentagon, and four members of Parliament.

Those would be the members of sentagon that held acutal officer positions yes.

New Bacon, Plugo

I may be wrong, and most likely am wrong, and even tho I do not have a good understanding of how the government works here, I feel like this is overly complicated

Malcholm, Plugo, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal

Alistia wrote:Those would be the members of sentagon that held acutal officer positions yes.

If the delegate is being switched to sentagon what is the need for a secretary delegate?

i mean the current secretary delegate is going to win a seat anyway, does the delegate need a secretary? (question for bacon)

Forestavia, New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:Those would be the members of sentagon that held acutal officer positions yes.

Ok. I see. So you're advocating for keeping the Sentagon membership list, then?

Alistia, New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Naumadal wrote:If the delegate is being switched to sentagon what is the need for a secretary delegate?

i mean the current secretary delegate is going to win a seat anyway, does the delegate need a secretary? (question for bacon)

Not really it's pointless to be honest if I'm switching over to Sentagon.

Forestavia, Alistia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Exotic Lemon wrote:The lc is in need of reform though

What kind of reform?

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Forestavia wrote:Ok. I see. So you're advocating for keeping the Sentagon membership list, then?

Yes.

I don't want the list, but we need it since their is a certain amount of votes sentagon needs to pass stuff

Remeber, the constitution failed because inactive sentagon members didn't vote.

Personally i think the sentagon voting requirement should be out of the total numbers of sentagon votes, not the number of sentagon members.

Then the list could be abolished and all non lc people could be sentagon.

Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:Yes.

I don't want the list, but we need it since their is a certain amount of votes sentagon needs to pass stuff

Remeber, the constitution failed because inactive sentagon members didn't vote.

Personally i think the sentagon voting requirement should be out of the total numbers of sentagon votes, not the number of sentagon members.

Then the list could be abolished and all non lc people could be sentagon.

Should we just re do the whole government?

Alistia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Forestavia wrote:What kind of reform?

I feel like I don't do anything. I can't vote in some elections, don't use my office powers often, and I feel like I am just wasting a seat on the council when I feel I could be more useful in sentagon

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:Should we just re do the whole government?

TBH a merge of both sentagon and the LC into one big group sounds appealing.

That would only be one branch of government though, but our whole congress and senate thing isn't working because the LC can't vote on sentagons stuff and like wise.

New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:You pretty much described the British monarchy :P

Technically that isn't entirely true

Alistia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Alistia wrote:TBH a merge of both sentagon and the LC into one big group sounds appealing.

That would only be one branch of government though, but our whole congress and senate thing isn't working because the LC can't vote on sentagons stuff and like wise.

We should have just a Delegate, President, and a small Congress made up of five people so that during voting only one side will win

New Bacon

Parakka Northland wrote:Technically that isn't entirely true

Well I do know that Great Britain is a Constitutional Monarchy with a queen that cannot vote(the head of state) but only the British Parliament with the prime minister having executive powers basically if I'm not mistaken.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:We should have just a Delegate, President, and a small Congress made up of five people so that during voting only one side will win

Meh, if a merge did happen i think it should be that the LC president stays as president, sentagon pres becomes VP, and a congress of 5-6. and of course the delegate.

Alistia, Republic Of Greater Cuba

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:Should we just re do the whole government?

That might be a serious possibility actually. The system is not working the way I've envisioned it. So I'm open to all suggestions now. I won't fight the way I used to to protect the system we've created. I'm now convinced that the constitution is seriously flawed.

I'm fairly burnt out with all this government design stuff. If anyone wants to, feel free to do something with this:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=587227

It's about time I relinquish some control over the region. I've tried to pass a constitution for nearly a year now and I have not been successful. I have to admit it's time to invite others to pick up the torch and continue the project. All ideas are now on the table.

Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

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New Bacon wrote:Well I do know that Great Britain is a Constitutional Monarchy with a queen that cannot vote(the head of state) but only the British Parliament with the prime minister having executive powers basically if I'm not mistaken.

Pretty much

Alistia, New Bacon, Plugo

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:I feel like Spectrum will play a large role in this

Political parties are irrelevant to reform. Anyone can suggest reform. Due to the fact you mention spectrum in every single post I assume you are trying to recruit people

Alistia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo

Forestavia wrote:That might be a serious possibility actually. The system is not working the way I've envisioned it. So I'm open to all suggestions now. I won't fight the way I used to to protect the system we've created. I'm now convinced that the constitution is seriously flawed.

I'm fairly burnt out with all this government design stuff. If anyone wants to, feel free to do something with this:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=587227

It's about time I relinquish some control over the region. I've tried to pass a constitution for nearly a year now and I have not been successful. I have to admit it's time to invite others to pick up the torch and continue the project. All ideas are now on the table.

If I get some time over the next day or so I'll look at putting something together regarding a new government system if people are ok with waiting a bit. It won't be perfect but it will be a start, a way to bounce ideas off a wall so to speak

Forestavia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

so we went from talking about sentagon members to proposals to re do the regions government..

all in a days work i guess.

New Bacon, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Republic Of Greater Cuba wrote:We should have just a Delegate, President, and a small Congress made up of five people so that during voting only one side will win

Ohhh that's dangerous. You never want just one side to win.

Whatever we do here we should try to keep to the general spirit of the constitution. The basic principle we have to hold to is to keep the government design so that no single nation and no single branch of government holds all the cards. We have to allow a little bit of friction between the branches of government to that power isn't as likely to be abused. The government should be restricted more than empowered. The nations here should be empowered to be free and prosperous without interference from the regional leadership.

Alistia, New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Whatever proposal is drafted i will read.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland

Alistia wrote:so we went from talking about sentagon members to proposals to re do the regions government..

all in a days work i guess.

Yep. I was really thinking about Sentagon a lot last night. I can't figure out what to do. I hope we can save as much of the system as possible because a lot of it is good I think. I can't figure out how to make it all fit together.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:Yep. I was really thinking about Sentagon a lot last night. I can't figure out what to do. I hope we can save as much of the system as possible because a lot of it is good I think. I can't figure out how to make it all fit together.

Me too, the system is messed up.

It would definitley be easier to scrap it all then to try and save bits and pieces but...

Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland

Elections also need to be coordinated so that Lunar Council elections (which follow a set schedule) don't interfere with Sentagon elections.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Parakka Northland

Forestavia wrote:Elections also need to be coordinated so that Lunar Council elections (which follow a set schedule) don't interfere with Sentagon elections.

They won't, sentagon elections will take place on the 4th of every month (starting in october)

Forestavia, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate

Ok guys I've done a very rough draft

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=683498

In terms of powers, limitations and voting rules, I have left them to be agreed. As I know they will prove controversial so I'm not even going to attempt to touch them without discussion first.

As a starting point I hope you will all agree it's not a bad template.

Forestavia, Plugo

Parakka Northland wrote:Ok guys I've done a very rough draft

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=683498

In terms of powers, limitations and voting rules, I have left them to be agreed. As I know they will prove controversial so I'm not even going to attempt to touch them without discussion first.

As a starting point I hope you will all agree it's not a bad template.

I agree its not bad, i like it.

I would change the term to 5 though since their is 5 members and one elected each month, and i don't think the delegate should be the president.

Plugo wrote:I agree its not bad, i like it.

I would change the term to 5 though since their is 5 members and one elected each month, and i don't think the delegate should be the president.

Something like that could be done, but when I came up with the numbers I was thinking of the current situation in Sentagon and if you had 5 lunar councilors and say the delegate and president in Sentagon that would make a congress of 7. One nations seat up each month means each nation serves 7 month terms if that makes sense?

In terms of the presidency what's your thoughts on who should hold that? As my thinking was in order to limit the power of the Delegate he would firstly have to be voted on by congress (obviously only WA nations would be eligible which Is I suppose where the problem lies?) and then he would have to get endorsed. A nice check and balance to the delegate I thought haha

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Parakka Northland wrote:Something like that could be done, but when I came up with the numbers I was thinking of the current situation in Sentagon and if you had 5 lunar councilors and say the delegate and president in Sentagon that would make a congress of 7. One nations seat up each month means each nation serves 7 month terms if that makes sense?

In terms of the presidency what's your thoughts on who should hold that? As my thinking was in order to limit the power of the Delegate he would firstly have to be voted on by congress (obviously only WA nations would be eligible which Is I suppose where the problem lies?) and then he would have to get endorsed. A nice check and balance to the delegate I thought haha

if a raider came in though they would automaticly be president.

mabye the president has to have served in the government before?

then it could be elected by congress?

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

Plugo wrote:if a raider came in though they would automaticly be president.

mabye the president has to have served in the government before?

then it could be elected by congress?

Or maybe don't allow the founder or delegate to be president?

Plugo wrote:if a raider came in though they would automaticly be president.

mabye the president has to have served in the government before?

then it could be elected by congress?

My proposal

Every month a week and a half before the election presidential election five electors will be elected to vote for who gains that office

Plugo wrote:if a raider came in though they would automaticly be president.

mabye the president has to have served in the government before?

then it could be elected by congress?

That's not a bad point to make, though the founder would have emergency powers to combats that also in theory before a WA delegate is choosen he meant to be a member of congress and voted on by congress first and then he approaches the region for endorsements.

For example, say me and you are in congress and I want to be delegate, first congress would have to approve of my application. Then once approved congress as a whole would ask the region to endorse the delegate. Also keep in mind because the delegate under this idea would need congress approval first, that's why I also said the delegate should be president. Also it under the election system the delegate would still have to run for his seat on congress when it's due and if he loses it then a new delegate has to be elected which stops one person holding the power indefinitely.

Also under the founders emergency powers he could impose a password to protect the region during a time when we have no founder, and then lift it once it's been selected

Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba

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Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:Or maybe don't allow the founder or delegate to be president?

Founder could never be president because he can't be removed from officer or position.... Hence why I'm only giving him a token seat. Basically he would watch the affairs of congress, and make sure congress works and it doesn't then act to ensure it does IF NEEDED and hopefully that wouldn't happen

Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

the founder doesn't even have any powers here, except in emergencies.

Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland

Parakka Northland wrote:That's not a bad point to make, though the founder would have emergency powers to combats that also in theory before a WA delegate is choosen he meant to be a member of congress and voted on by congress first and then he approaches the region for endorsements.

For example, say me and you are in congress and I want to be delegate, first congress would have to approve of my application. Then once approved congress as a whole would ask the region to endorse the delegate. Also keep in mind because the delegate under this idea would need congress approval first, that's why I also said the delegate should be president. Also it under the election system the delegate would still have to run for his seat on congress when it's due and if he loses it then a new delegate has to be elected which stops one person holding the power indefinitely.

Also under the founders emergency powers he could impose a password to protect the region during a time when we have no founder, and then lift it once it's been selected

I never really liked the idea of an elected delegate though, we have an emphasie of a free delegate, no endorsement cap, and you can endorse whoever you want. The delegate can change at any time.

Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba

Plugo wrote:the founder doesn't even have any powers here, except in emergencies.

Exactly and that's the way it needs to remain because frankly I don't see the founder wanting that to change nor the members of the region. But if Congress broke down then that would be an emergency and if we were invaded and unable to defend the region then we might be forced to rely on the founder

Forestavia, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo

Parakka Northland wrote:Exactly and that's the way it needs to remain because frankly I don't see the founder wanting that to change nor the members of the region. But if Congress broke down then that would be an emergency and if we were invaded and unable to defend the region then we might be forced to rely on the founder

seems like we have a lot of troubles up ahead

Parakka Northland wrote:Exactly and that's the way it needs to remain because frankly I don't see the founder wanting that to change nor the members of the region. But if Congress broke down then that would be an emergency and if we were invaded and unable to defend the region then we might be forced to rely on the founder

Indeed i agree.

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