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I've brought the Lunar Council back to normal with just communications authority and have also dismissed Vandoosa and Puppyboi bringing the region closer to it's actual government structure. Again, the Lunar Council is discouraged from using their communications powers. I'd like to remind the region that OFFICIALLY (as much as I would like it to be otherwise), the Lunar Councillors are simply figureheads with basically no authority and no say. Of course they can rally the people and what not but Exotic Lemon is currently delegate so he's currently organizing a new government for the region.

Welcome to the region Phobic!

Northern Forestavia wrote:It's oaky if we have five. I mean it's okay if we have five. It's not like they have any power anyway. I just spent five months bringing the Lunar Council back. A powerless Lunar Council. I'm not going to let a unique part of our region's identity destroy itself, again. Not this time. Go ahead with your Roman-style government idea. Just leave the Lunar Council out of it altogether. This region has 12 officer spots. We have the space to accommodate your plan and mine. I'm going to reserve five symbolic figurehead officer spots for the Lunar Council. The Lunar Council will continue to be its own separate thing with little to no power over the region. Think of it as the Founder's government backup plan. This region was inactive about three months ago now we're getting people. Is it because the Lunar Council is back and we're actually holding elections again? Maybe, Maybe not. But we're not going to fix something that isn't broken. Not this time. We've been down that road before - like two years ago or something. I'm standing my ground on this one.

Bring your WA over here, dude. All you have to do is move your WA over here like a couple minutes before the poll ends. Vote. Then you can move it back to Solar Alliance. You can even move your nation in and out like I do with Northern Forestavia and The Greater Holy Isles. You still have like 6 hours or so left.

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*Also just a footnote for those who are new to the region:

This "WA residents can only vote" policy is meant to protect the integrity and purity of the Lunar Council, in the off-chance event that it actually turns into a legitimate government branch. Now we're prepared for that scenario. It's a perfect policy because it's against the site rules to have more than one WA. So this is like an integrity protection thing. What I'm really doing here is working in harmony with the game mechanics instead of against them.

I am not asking you to dissolve, remove, or otherwise sideline the lunar council. I am trying to give it more than a symbolic duty. I wanted the "senate" as it would historically been known to be the lunar council. But a 5-person council + 2 consuls +1 centurion + 1 delegate + 1 founder is massive for a region of barely 20, some of which aren't even active.

Northern Forestavia wrote:Greetings! :)

How are you doing this fine day?

I got my nation's life expectancy up a year, so pretty good!

Oakplumington, Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:I am not asking you to dissolve, remove, or otherwise sideline the lunar council. I am trying to give it more than a symbolic duty. I wanted the "senate" as it would historically been known to be the lunar council. But a 5-person council + 2 consuls +1 centurion + 1 delegate + 1 founder is massive for a region of barely 20, some of which aren't even active.

i agree

Exotic Lemon

Exotic Lemon wrote:I am not asking you to dissolve, remove, or otherwise sideline the lunar council. I am trying to give it more than a symbolic duty. I wanted the "senate" as it would historically been known to be the lunar council. But a 5-person council + 2 consuls +1 centurion + 1 delegate + 1 founder is massive for a region of barely 20, some of which aren't even active.

By reducing the size of the Lunar Council you are sidelining and diminishing the importance of the Lunar Council and these past five moons of me scheduling, organizing, and creating elections. We're already up to five. We're already starting with five plus symbolic power. If you want to give them more than symbolic duty perhaps we can agree to allow them to fully utilize their communications authority. If you're open to it, that is. Going down to three is the wrong direction, however. I don't understand how a large government in a small region is a problem. We're turning into a bigger and bigger region everyday. Gyuamno's working hard with the telegram stamps. Five is just the right number. Best argument you've ever heard, right? "Five is just the right number".

*sighs*

How about this, what if you and I (we're both executive of the region) give the Lunar Council permission to use their communications authority? Instead of holding symbolic power they can actually use communications from this day forward. Can we do this? You want to give them more power, right? If we give them five seats and some power, then that is an actual power increase. If you reduce their size and give them some power. That's basically breaking even because then the people are going to suffer because their voice has been diminished. I want to give the people more of a voice. That's why I'm so firm on the number 5. I would rather see the people vote for five figure heads then for only three actual government members. In fact, I would argue that for a region this size five is the number of empowerment. Because right now, the Lunar Council is like a revolving door. They serve for life. There aren't any terms. Until someone resigns, or leaves, or CTE, they are in. And there is a lot of turnover in this region lately. So if we downsize to three then we're talking about three really active natives perpetually being in charge of the Lunar council. We're not going to grow that way. 3 would be the right number if we scheduled rolling elections. Been there. Done that. Never again. I don't want to go down the same road we went down a couple of years ago. I'm taking a different path this time.

What do you think about you and I agreeing to give them permission to use their communications power? That would be a step. Or your other option is to just keep the lid on the situation by keeping the Lunar Council strictly symbolic. What kind of Delegate do you want to be? I've already decided what kind of founder I'm gonna be.

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A whole new paradigm is rising in this region. I don't completely know myself what it's gonna be or how it's going to work. But the new paradigm shift is here. And it's growing. Slowly... Creepingly.... A new deal is rising.

In the past, I've consistently been in a tug of war with seemingly swinging between a "my way or the highway" mentality or "just give them what they want, compromise, cave, etc" or lack of activity. What's happening here is a whole new, different mentality. Something that has arisen because of the consistent lack of compromise in this region for the past 3 1/2 years. It's a whole different way of running a region. And it's what we need because every few months some new government system is created causing internal instability. And now we've just come to accept that we're a region that doesn't need rules and we're dying because of the lack of structure and the lack of activity.

My dear Emperor, we're not on the same side anymore. That doesn't mean we're enemies. But make no mistake, you and I are not working on "our" government system. Right now you and I are having a discussion about my government. You're trying to merge your government into mine. That's not gonna fly with me. Not in this new age our region has just entered. You're an executive. You worry about your government and I'll worry about mine. What I'm proposing here is a divided government created by and for a divided region for the sole purpose of assuring an atmosphere of balance and harmony for nations residing therein. It's the story about two executives - the Founder and the Delegate - who seek to find balance and harmony for their region. The Lunar Council is the Founder's government. The WA nations will elect the other Executive via endorsements. Right now, Lemon, you are in that comfy chair. What are you gonna do now? You've got 7 officer spots out of 12. I only have 5. At this point, you should ask yourself the question: What am I gonna do with my 7 spots? What will my Delegacy be known for? Because what you do could have an effect on every Delegate that comes after you from this point forward.

You and I will be in communication during this process. We need to have a good relationship with each other. We need to give each other a chance to fix things on our side when somebody on our side messes up. If you're lenient with me, I'll be lenient with you. And we should be, especially for these first few months as we experiment with this new way of being. Imagine what it would be like to be in a region with two systems of government - a region that somehow finds it's way to harmony through the process of division. Imagine what such a region could be like. You see, these past few years were just us splashing around in the shallow end of the pool. The most exciting times yet have just begun.

Parakka Northland, Aremnant

Pania Yupral wrote:I got my nation's life expectancy up a year, so pretty good!

My citizens are struggling to get to 30 years of age. lol!

Oakplumington wrote:[spoiler=long quote rip mobile users]By reducing the size of the Lunar Council you are sidelining and diminishing the importance of the Lunar Council and these past five moons of me scheduling, organizing, and creating elections. We're already up to five. We're already starting with five plus symbolic power. If you want to give them more than symbolic duty perhaps we can agree to allow them to fully utilize their communications authority. If you're open to it, that is. Going down to three is the wrong direction, however. I don't understand how a large government in a small region is a problem. We're turning into a bigger and bigger region everyday. Gyuamno's working hard with the telegram stamps. Five is just the right number. Best argument you've ever heard, right? "Five is just the right number".

*sighs*

How about this, what if you and I (we're both executive of the region) give the Lunar Council permission to use their communications authority? Instead of holding symbolic power they can actually use communications from this day forward. Can we do this? You want to give them more power, right? If we give them five seats and some power, then that is an actual power increase. If you reduce their size and give them some power. That's basically breaking even because then the people are going to suffer because their voice has been diminished. I want to give the people more of a voice. That's why I'm so firm on the number 5. I would rather see the people vote for five figure heads then for only three actual government members. In fact, I would argue that for a region this size five is the number of empowerment. Because right now, the Lunar Council is like a revolving door. They serve for life. There aren't any terms. Until someone resigns, or leaves, or CTE, they are in. And there is a lot of turnover in this region lately. So if we downsize to three then we're talking about three really active natives perpetually being in charge of the Lunar council. We're not going to grow that way. 3 would be the right number if we scheduled rolling elections. Been there. Done that. Never again. I don't want to go down the same road we went down a couple of years ago. I'm taking a different path this time.

What do you think about you and I agreeing to give them permission to use their communications power? That would be a step. Or your other option is to just keep the lid on the situation by keeping the Lunar Council strictly symbolic. What kind of Delegate do you want to be? I've already decided what kind of founder I'm gonna be.

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A whole new paradigm is rising in this region. I don't completely know myself what it's gonna be or how it's going to work. But the new paradigm shift is here. And it's growing. Slowly... Creepingly.... A new deal is rising.

In the past, I've consistently been in a tug of war with seemingly swinging between a "my way or the highway" mentality or "just give them what they want, compromise, cave, etc" or lack of activity. What's happening here is a whole new, different mentality. Something that has arisen because of the consistent lack of compromise in this region for the past 3 1/2 years. It's a whole different way of running a region. And it's what we need because every few months some new government system is created causing internal instability. And now we've just come to accept that we're a region that doesn't need rules and we're dying because of the lack of structure and the lack of activity.

My dear Emperor, we're not on the same side anymore. That doesn't mean we're enemies. But make no mistake, you and I are not working on "our" government system. Right now you and I are having a discussion about my government. You're trying to merge your government into mine. That's not gonna fly with me. Not in this new age our region has just entered. You're an executive. You worry about your government and I'll worry about mine. What I'm proposing here is a divided government created by and for a divided region for the sole purpose of assuring an atmosphere of balance and harmony for nations residing therein. It's the story about two executives - the Founder and the Delegate - who seek to find balance and harmony for their region. The Lunar Council is the Founder's government. The WA nations will elect the other Executive via endorsements. Right now, Lemon, you are in that comfy chair. What are you gonna do now? You've got 7 officer spots out of 12. I only have 5. At this point, you should ask yourself the question: What am I gonna do with my 7 spots? What will my Delegacy be known for? Because what you do could have an effect on every Delegate that comes after you from this point forward.

You and I will be in communication during this process. We need to have a good relationship with each other. We need to give each other a chance to fix things on our side when somebody on our side messes up. If you're lenient with me, I'll be lenient with you. And we should be, especially for these first few months as we experiment with this new way of being. Imagine what it would be like to be in a region with two systems of government - a region that somehow finds it's way to harmony through the process of division. Imagine what such a region could be like. You see, these past few years were just us splashing around in the shallow end of the pool. The most exciting times yet have just begun.[/spoiler]

That was oddly dramatic. I think it would be good to have the lunar council as more than a symbolic system, but I believe you are forgetting why the lunar council was abolished for a time. People didn't like it. I admit I was frustrated by the lack of clarity of it. Everyone had equal power and usually wildly different ideas. I think back to the old political spats between me and Parakka Northland, Alistia and Mugwop, and everyone else who had political differences even when they were friends. In the end this is just a game made of forums and words, but I don't think dividing a already greatly diminished region into two separate governments will work. I am inclined to bring back the lunar council, but we have to remember why it became symbolic in the first place. How about we set a poll instead of two separate governments?

Oakplumington, Aremnant, Definitely Not Gyuamno

Oakplumington wrote:My citizens are struggling to get to 30 years of age. lol!

That's still pretty high, unless you're one of those leaders that believes in 'economic freedom.' I tried it, and it just seems like a bad idea to me.

Oakplumington, Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:That was oddly dramatic. I think it would be good to have the lunar council as more than a symbolic system, but I believe you are forgetting why the lunar council was abolished for a time. People didn't like it. I admit I was frustrated by the lack of clarity of it. Everyone had equal power and usually wildly different ideas. I think back to the old political spats between me and Parakka Northland, Alistia and Mugwop, and everyone else who had political differences even when they were friends. In the end this is just a game made of forums and words, but I don't think dividing a already greatly diminished region into two separate governments will work. I am inclined to bring back the lunar council, but we have to remember why it became symbolic in the first place. How about we set a poll instead of two separate governments?

It's an oddly dramatic game! I want the Lunar Council and I want to run it my way. I don't care what the rest of the region's government looks like or how the polls for their elections are conducted, but the Lunar Council is special. It's my baby. And I think this idea is brilliant politics. Really, I'm seriously asking you, if you were free, like absolutely free - to design any government you wanted with 7 or less officer spots and you didn't have to consult anyone (including me), you didn't have to worry about working with others or compromising, then what would your system look like? The Guardians of our region have chosen you to be in charge. They put you in charge again AND you still hold the record for the longest serving Delegate. So. I think it's you. If you could do anything with seven spots, hold any kind of elections you wanted to with the polls designed the way you wanted them, appoint whoever you wanted... etc. What would a uniquely Exotic Lemon government look like in TMC? Phrasing the question another way, what can the region expect from Lemon when Lemon's in charge of the Delegacy?

Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon

Oakplumington wrote:It's an oddly dramatic game! I want the Lunar Council and I want to run it my way. I don't care what the rest of the region's government looks like or how the polls for their elections are conducted, but the Lunar Council is special. It's my baby. And I think this idea is brilliant politics. Really, I'm seriously asking you, if you were free, like absolutely free - to design any government you wanted with 7 or less officer spots and you didn't have to consult anyone (including me), you didn't have to worry about working with others or compromising, then what would your system look like? The Guardians of our region have chosen you to be in charge. They put you in charge again AND you still hold the record for the longest serving Delegate. So. I think it's you. If you could do anything with seven spots, hold any kind of elections you wanted to with the polls designed the way you wanted them, appoint whoever you wanted... etc. What would a uniquely Exotic Lemon government look like in TMC? Phrasing the question another way, what can the region expect from Lemon when Lemon's in charge of the Delegacy?

I do not want to just make a government without consulting anyone. That would be the lemon dictatorship and not very fun for everyone who isnt me. And I do believe that I would not have the longest reigning delegate title or the delegate spot right now if I just appointed 7 people without consulting at least a few people. I love the idea of the lunar council, its original, catchy, and fun. But it did have problems that caused it to fade into what it is now. Thoughts? Also you have to plan for when I am not delegate. I remain for now, but I don't know how long until either I resign or get removed.

Exotic Lemon wrote:I do not want to just make a government without consulting anyone. That would be the lemon dictatorship and not very fun for everyone who isnt me. And I do believe that I would not have the longest reigning delegate title or the delegate spot right now if I just appointed 7 people without consulting at least a few people. I love the idea of the lunar council, its original, catchy, and fun. But it did have problems that caused it to fade into what it is now. Thoughts? Also you have to plan for when I am not delegate. I remain for now, but I don't know how long until either I resign or get removed.

1. You are currently free to consult with or not consult with whoever you want. There's no problem there.

2. The Lunar Council has returned and it's here to stay as per my rights as founder. My five spots are taken care of. No problems there. I'm happy.

3. Lemon dictatorship? Okay, let's run a couple of checks on things. There's a check and balance mechanism for that!

First, you're a swell guy. I can't see you just appointing a couple of people as it isn't in your nature. I have faith that you would hold election polls for at least some of the positions. Maybe you would appoint one or two people. Well, really I don't know what you would do because you've never had this kind of freedom before. But I would have a hard time believing that you would be a dictator.

Secondly, even if you did decide that you wanted to be a dictator and just appoint people....I mean, as long as your system works and the people in the region are relatively happy, then I don't see a problem with that.

Thirdly, on the flipside, if you do decide to abuse your power as Delegate in this new age and the people feel oppressed, then you better watch out. Because more than likely what will happen is the people will feel oppressed and then they'll decide to bring their WA's over or unendorse you as delegate. First there will be opposition and if you don't listen to the opposition then you'll be replaced by the region's WA nations (which I love to call Guardians of the region). Or you might just be replaced.

Fourthly, even if you somehow successfully claw your way above your political opposition and/or bribe, coerce, or in some other way manipulate enough of the WA nations here to keep endorsing you as dictator, then you better watch out because my government might not be too happy with your government. And if that's the case, there are things I can do to offset your actions. In this scenario I would first hold a meeting with you, similar to the meeting we're having now. If no compromise is made then I'm free to grant the Lunar Council whatever powers I think they deserve/need. That will serve as another check/balance. With their power they will be able to undo any damage that your government has and would do.

In conclusion, there's no way you can be an oppressive dictator with this system.

And finally 4. What happens when you're not delegate anymore? Easy, then someone else will come in and replace you. If they follow your system in a similar way, TMC will effectively have what we could call a dynasty consisting of your delegacy and that new delegate's government. If they completely change your system and create a new government, then it will either be known as an overthrow, a revolution, or a reform of some sort.

Don't worry so much about the future. Now is your opportunity to create your very own catchy, original, and fun system of government. My advice is to take advantage of this moment because who knows if you'll ever get another chance. I kind of have a feeling that the Delegacy isn't going to change hands as much with this new paradigm.

My time here was fun! But I am once again needed in the equatorial front. Soldiers of war never sleep! Good luck! *runs away*

Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon

Vandoosa Einundzwanzig wrote:My time here was fun! But I am once again needed in the equatorial front. Soldiers of war never sleep! Good luck! *runs away*

Feel free to come back for a visit anytime. And good luck during the battle!

Oakplumington wrote:1. You are currently free to consult with or not consult with whoever you want. There's no problem there.

2. The Lunar Council has returned and it's here to stay as per my rights as founder. My five spots are taken care of. No problems there. I'm happy.

3. Lemon dictatorship? Okay, let's run a couple of checks on things. There's a check and balance mechanism for that!

First, you're a swell guy. I can't see you just appointing a couple of people as it isn't in your nature. I have faith that you would hold election polls for at least some of the positions. Maybe you would appoint one or two people. Well, really I don't know what you would do because you've never had this kind of freedom before. But I would have a hard time believing that you would be a dictator.

Secondly, even if you did decide that you wanted to be a dictator and just appoint people....I mean, as long as your system works and the people in the region are relatively happy, then I don't see a problem with that.

Thirdly, on the flipside, if you do decide to abuse your power as Delegate in this new age and the people feel oppressed, then you better watch out. Because more than likely what will happen is the people will feel oppressed and then they'll decide to bring their WA's over or unendorse you as delegate. First there will be opposition and if you don't listen to the opposition then you'll be replaced by the region's WA nations (which I love to call Guardians of the region). Or you might just be replaced.

Fourthly, even if you somehow successfully claw your way above your political opposition and/or bribe, coerce, or in some other way manipulate enough of the WA nations here to keep endorsing you as dictator, then you better watch out because my government might not be too happy with your government. And if that's the case, there are things I can do to offset your actions. In this scenario I would first hold a meeting with you, similar to the meeting we're having now. If no compromise is made then I'm free to grant the Lunar Council whatever powers I think they deserve/need. That will serve as another check/balance. With their power they will be able to undo any damage that your government has and would do.

In conclusion, there's no way you can be an oppressive dictator with this system.

And finally 4. What happens when you're not delegate anymore? Easy, then someone else will come in and replace you. If they follow your system in a similar way, TMC will effectively have what we could call a dynasty consisting of your delegacy and that new delegate's government. If they completely change your system and create a new government, then it will either be known as an overthrow, a revolution, or a reform of some sort.

Don't worry so much about the future. Now is your opportunity to create your very own catchy, original, and fun system of government. My advice is to take advantage of this moment because who knows if you'll ever get another chance. I kind of have a feeling that the Delegacy isn't going to change hands as much with this new paradigm.

I appreciate the faith in me. I have faith that you will not abuse the lunar council's will as well. I was thinking of a compromise though. How about we give the lunar council back its old powers, but we organize a way to determine if 2 members deal with domestic issues, 2 with foriegn, all with legislative powers, and 1 president based on seniority (Who should be Wolflandil if I remember correctly). Also, I know its a lot of work for you to set up these election polls so I will ask you first. Since I am delegate now I think I will stick to the tradition of resigning my seat as councilor, which will leave a vacancy. Would you like me to resign now and just have a snap election or wait for the next full moon?

Wolflandil

Exotic Lemon wrote:I appreciate the faith in me. I have faith that you will not abuse the lunar council's will as well. I was thinking of a compromise though. How about we give the lunar council back its old powers, but we organize a way to determine if 2 members deal with domestic issues, 2 with foriegn, all with legislative powers, and 1 president based on seniority (Who should be Wolflandil if I remember correctly). Also, I know its a lot of work for you to set up these election polls so I will ask you first. Since I am delegate now I think I will stick to the tradition of resigning my seat as councilor, which will leave a vacancy. Would you like me to resign now and just have a snap election or wait for the next full moon?

There's nothing to compromise. I'm not giving up control of the Lunar Council. The power that I give the Lunar Council will depend on what you do with your government. I'm kind of waiting to see what you do with your government before determining what powers I give to my government. I'm seeking harmony through division. You need to come up with your own government system.

Here's what I'm hearing from you. You want a government with four Legislators (two who deal with domestic affairs and two who focus on foreign affairs) and you also want a President. You want to appoint Wolflandil as President of the region. I think that's a bad idea personally, because Wolflandil is going to be retiring from NS in a few weeks. If I were you and I wanted to appoint someone as President of the region, I would probably appoint either Alistia or Parakka. That's just what I would do. But you might want to also consider holding an election for your President using the citizenship list that you manage, that way the people feel like they have more of a say. It's up to you, though. I think the people trust your judgment either way. What about the Legislators? Are you going to hold elections for them or are you going to appoint them or are you going to have your President appoint them or some combination of all of these.

You could have an WA resident poll for one Legislator.

You could have a normal resident citizenship poll for another Legislator.

You could appoint the third.

And you could have your President appoint the fourth.

The above is just one example of what you could do with this idea. Or you could go back to a Roman style government.

As far as your resignation, that's up to you dude. If you want to resign then you can resign. The Guardians elected you via poll to serve on the Lunar Council. If you don't want the spot anymore then I'm sure we can find a replacement. I'm on the Lunar Council and I'm the founder so I don't have a problem with the Delegate also being on the Lunar Council. I also don't have a problem with you resigning. You're in a very powerful position right now. You've got 20% of the power on the Lunar Council, 50% of the executive power in the region as Delegate, AND you get to create your very own government. Think your resignation through before acting on it. I also hold 20% of the power on the Lunar Council, 50% of the shared executive power as Founder, AND I also have the Lunar Council. So you and I are equal right now.

If I were you, I would just sit down with a piece of paper and think about how you want your government to look and function.

You know what my government looks like already.

Founder (Me)

Allotment: 5 officer spots

Five Lunar Councillors with equal powers (communications only for now) --> who happen to be:

Wolflandil, Parakka Northland, Alistia, Oak, and Exotic Lemon

[Powers not yet determined]

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Your government

Delegate (You)

Allotment: 7 officer spots

President?

Four Legislators (two domestic and two foreign affairs)?

Exotic Lemon

Oakplumington wrote:There's nothing to compromise. I'm not giving up control of the Lunar Council. The power that I give the Lunar Council will depend on what you do with your government. I'm kind of waiting to see what you do with your government before determining what powers I give to my government. I'm seeking harmony through division. You need to come up with your own government system.

Here's what I'm hearing from you. You want a government with four Legislators (two who deal with domestic affairs and two who focus on foreign affairs) and you also want a President. You want to appoint Wolflandil as President of the region. I think that's a bad idea personally, because Wolflandil is going to be retiring from NS in a few weeks. If I were you and I wanted to appoint someone as President of the region, I would probably appoint either Alistia or Parakka. That's just what I would do. But you might want to also consider holding an election for your President using the citizenship list that you manage, that way the people feel like they have more of a say. It's up to you, though. I think the people trust your judgment either way. What about the Legislators? Are you going to hold elections for them or are you going to appoint them or are you going to have your President appoint them or some combination of all of these.

You could have an WA resident poll for one Legislator.

You could have a normal resident citizenship poll for another Legislator.

You could appoint the third.

And you could have your President appoint the fourth.

The above is just one example of what you could do with this idea. Or you could go back to a Roman style government.

As far as your resignation, that's up to you dude. If you want to resign then you can resign. The Guardians elected you via poll to serve on the Lunar Council. If you don't want the spot anymore then I'm sure we can find a replacement. I'm on the Lunar Council and I'm the founder so I don't have a problem with the Delegate also being on the Lunar Council. I also don't have a problem with you resigning. You're in a very powerful position right now. You've got 20% of the power on the Lunar Council, 50% of the executive power in the region as Delegate, AND you get to create your very own government. Think your resignation through before acting on it. I also hold 20% of the power on the Lunar Council, 50% of the shared executive power as Founder, AND I also have the Lunar Council. So you and I are equal right now.

If I were you, I would just sit down with a piece of paper and think about how you want your government to look and function.

You know what my government looks like already.

Founder (Me)

Allotment: 5 officer spots

Five Lunar Councillors with equal powers (communications only for now) --> who happen to be:

Wolflandil, Parakka Northland, Alistia, Oak, and Exotic Lemon

[Powers not yet determined]

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Your government

Delegate (You)

Allotment: 7 officer spots

President?

Four Legislators (two domestic and two foreign affairs)?

I forgot Wolf was retiring. Hmm... At this point I am running out of ideas for a government, and I haven't had any volunteers yet. Regarding legislators, who would actually have the legislative power? Is it the lunar councilors or whoever wins the elections (I do not want there to be many appointed positions). In the meantime, this feels like an open telegram, so if anyone else has a suggestion, now would be a great time to state it.

And for my government I was trying to reconcile with your lunar council into one government but clearly that seems impossible to change. I guess a loose sketch I have for the next is a 5 person government with someone in charge of foreign affairs, domestic affairs, 3 legislators, all elected positions. After that I am still open to change.

I am unsure how much power the lunar council will have so for now I will stay. If it grows to be more than symbolic I will likely resign if I am still delegate then. TMC has a long history of a delegate not being able to be on the lunar council so I already feel I have overstayed my welcome.

Oakplumington

Exotic Lemon wrote:I forgot Wolf was retiring. Hmm... At this point I am running out of ideas for a government, and I haven't had any volunteers yet. Regarding legislators, who would actually have the legislative power? Is it the lunar councilors or whoever wins the elections (I do not want there to be many appointed positions). In the meantime, this feels like an open telegram, so if anyone else has a suggestion, now would be a great time to state it.

And for my government I was trying to reconcile with your lunar council into one government but clearly that seems impossible to change. I guess a loose sketch I have for the next is a 5 person government with someone in charge of foreign affairs, domestic affairs, 3 legislators, all elected positions. After that I am still open to change.

I am unsure how much power the lunar council will have so for now I will stay. If it grows to be more than symbolic I will likely resign if I am still delegate then. TMC has a long history of a delegate not being able to be on the lunar council so I already feel I have overstayed my welcome.

I like your idea. Your challenge is going to be getting people who are active.

I'm gonna keep the Lunar Council symbolic for now. I don't want it to overshadow the important work that you're getting ready to do. I could see myself giving them permission to use their communications. But I can't see myself going any further than that for the next few months. We'll see how things go over the next few weeks.

AS A REMINDER TO ALL - You do not have to choose "sides". You can be part of the Founder's government and also part of the Delegate's government at the same time. Although we may have two different governments, we're all part of the same region. Plus we're still a small region, too. This whole process is about forming a system of checks and balances so that we can move toward stability. Although the Delegate and I have two separate governments we are not at this time in opposition to each other. So if you're thinking about being part of Lemon's great work, then send him a telegram or mention him on the RMB. Our great Leader needs your help.

Lemon, I would like to volunteer to be part of your government. I think I would like to sign up for Foreign Affairs since I've been travelling to all the embassy regions lately. I feel the foreign affairs is my strong suit at the moment. I submit humbly my application.

Bla bla bla bla

I'm your best choice.

Bla bla bla

Qualifications

bla bla bla

And I'm really good, too.

Yours truly,

- The Oakmeister

Exotic Lemon

Aremnant wrote:i agree

Hey there, we need you. Would you like to be part of Lemon's government?

Oakplumington wrote:Welcome to the region Phobic!

Hey there, we need you. Would you like to be part of Lemon's government?

Phobic

Pania Yupral wrote:That's still pretty high, unless you're one of those leaders that believes in 'economic freedom.' I tried it, and it just seems like a bad idea to me.

Do you happen to have any extra puppets laying around that you don't know what to do with? I'm just thinking....

Oakplumington wrote:I like your idea. Your challenge is going to be getting people who are active.

I'm gonna keep the Lunar Council symbolic for now. I don't want it to overshadow the important work that you're getting ready to do. I could see myself giving them permission to use their communications. But I can't see myself going any further than that for the next few months. We'll see how things go over the next few weeks.

AS A REMINDER TO ALL - You do not have to choose "sides". You can be part of the Founder's government and also part of the Delegate's government at the same time. Although we may have two different governments, we're all part of the same region. Plus we're still a small region, too. This whole process is about forming a system of checks and balances so that we can move toward stability. Although the Delegate and I have two separate governments we are not at this time in opposition to each other. So if you're thinking about being part of Lemon's great work, then send him a telegram or mention him on the RMB. Our great Leader needs your help.

Lemon, I would like to volunteer to be part of your government. I think I would like to sign up for Foreign Affairs since I've been travelling to all the embassy regions lately. I feel the foreign affairs is my strong suit at the moment. I submit humbly my application.

Bla bla bla bla

I'm your best choice.

Bla bla bla

Qualifications

bla bla bla

And I'm really good, too.

Yours truly,

- The Oakmeister

"Bla bla bla bla

I'm your best choice.

Bla bla bla

Qualifications

bla bla bla

And I'm really good, too." is a very strong application. Anyone think they can top it?

Oakplumington

Djeusland wrote:I thought it was "Danke"

I think either way is correct but I'm pretty sure it's Danka.

Djeusland

Oakplumington wrote:Do you happen to have any extra puppets laying around that you don't know what to do with? I'm just thinking....

No, sorry.

I feel like I've seen these conversations before... na I must be wrong haha

Oakplumington

I hope I didn't miss the election! I swear as lunar Councillor I'm very organized and will never miss anything ever ;)

Oakplumington, Parakka Northland

Never mind guess I lost lmao boy tough crowd these days

Definitely Not Gyuamno wrote:Never mind guess I lost lmao boy tough crowd these days

You got 33.333333333% of the vote. Alistia got 66.6666666666%. However, you can run in the next election. I still believe in you! You've got to win sooner or later.

Parakka Northland wrote:I feel like I've seen these conversations before... na I must be wrong haha

Probably. This region is like one big time loop.

Parakka Northland

Oakplumington wrote:You got 33.333333333% of the vote. Alistia got 66.6666666666%. However, you can run in the next election. I still believe in you! You've got to win sooner or later.

Probably. This region is like one big time loop.

Well oak, if we assumed I vote for myself I would have won! You should consider that! I got more popular votes!

Oakplumington wrote:Hey there, we need you. Would you like to be part of Lemon's government?

Hey there, we need you. Would you like to be part of Lemon's government?

Sure

Oakplumington

Aremnant wrote:Sure

You will need to be a citizen first but since I have no other volunteers I think oak will give you citizenship through founder's privilege. If not, telegram me.

Right now the planned government system is:

Domestic affairs, possible titles include: Chancellor, minister of domestic affairs, anything else you guys think of or want

Foreign affairs: possible titles include: Steward, minister of foreign affairs, anything else

3 officers for legislature (Possibly called solar council but I don't want to rip off Parakka Northland)

All are elected offices and elections will hopefully be every 90ish days, but this could change when the delegate does.

Thoughts?

Parakka Northland

Exotic Lemon wrote:You will need to be a citizen first but since I have no other volunteers I think oak will give you citizenship through founder's privilege. If not, telegram me.

Right now the planned government system is:

Domestic affairs, possible titles include: Chancellor, minister of domestic affairs, anything else you guys think of or want

Foreign affairs: possible titles include: Steward, minister of foreign affairs, anything else

3 officers for legislature (Possibly called solar council but I don't want to rip off Parakka Northland)

All are elected offices and elections will hopefully be every 90ish days, but this could change when the delegate does.

Thoughts?

What would the powers of domestic affairs be because foreign affairs would be Polls,embassies and the such.

Aremnant wrote:What would the powers of domestic affairs be because foreign affairs would be Polls,embassies and the such.

Right now I was thinking

Domestic: Powers over communication, polls, border control, appearance

Foreign: Has powers over embassies, communications, polls, appearance

Legislators: Polls, communications, appearance

But I am not set in stone on those if someone has any suggestions.

Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:Right now I was thinking

Domestic: Powers over communication, polls, border control, appearance

Foreign: Has powers over embassies, communications, polls, appearance

Legislators: Polls, communications, appearance

But I am not set in stone on those if someone has any suggestions.

What if legislators vote on all laws but the people can make any laws as long as they pass

Aremnant wrote:What if legislators vote on all laws but the people can make any laws as long as they pass

That is kind of how it has been previously. Anyone could draft up a proposal and the lunar council would usually edit/clarify the laws and then vote on it.

Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:That is kind of how it has been previously. Anyone could draft up a proposal and the lunar council would usually edit/clarify the laws and then vote on it.

Oh ok is that still in motion?

Aremnant wrote:Oh ok is that still in motion?

I thought it was a good system. I would be happy to see it in action but we will see if others approve as well. Oakplumington any thoughts?

Oakplumington, Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:I thought it was a good system. I would be happy to see it in action but we will see if others approve as well. Oakplumington any thoughts?

*Stumbles back onto the internet*

Um. Yes! Thoughts. Thoughts, thoughts? The Solar Council or you could call it the Council of the Sun or you could call it the Council of the Stars. Or we could use fruit. Domestic Lemon Minister, Foreign Mellon Affairs, Legislative Council of Celery. And yes, before you have a chance to ask, celery is indeed a fruit, as well as a vegetable, as well as dairy, and it is also considered to be a meat. It's protein, carbs, and fiber all rolled into one. Yes, celery is that amazing!

Oakay, all silliness aside, I think that sounds great. I see Lemon isn't getting too much participation, I'd like to remind the Lunar Councillors that it is okay to hold more than one office. For example, you may be a Lunar Councillor and also be something else in Lemon's government. FYI, reminder, thingy.

Aremnant wrote:Sure

I'm glad you're taking an interest in the region, Aremnant.

Show me what you can do with this.

*Hands over a light saber*

@ Exotic Lemon, how should we handle citizenship? I could grant it through founder's privilege but I'm not sure if the Force is with this one? Do you have a citizenship application process?

Aremnant

Definitely Not Gyuamno wrote:Well oak, if we assumed I vote for myself I would have won! You should consider that! I got more popular votes!

Nooooooo, I think you would have still lost even with the "popular vote". The election would have been tied 2 - 2 and would have been done over between you and Alistia. And it still would have been 2 - 2 so the election tie would have flipped over to influencial WA resident nations to break the tie and then Alistia would have won, easily, with 2 votes to 0.

Sorry to break the news to you. I tried to be gentle about it. :P

Oakplumington wrote:*Stumbles back onto the internet*

Um. Yes! Thoughts. Thoughts, thoughts? The Solar Council or you could call it the Council of the Sun or you could call it the Council of the Stars. Or we could use fruit. Domestic Lemon Minister, Foreign Mellon Affairs, Legislative Council of Celery. And yes, before you have a chance to ask, celery is indeed a fruit, as well as a vegetable, as well as dairy, and it is also considered to be a meat. It's protein, carbs, and fiber all rolled into one. Yes, celery is that amazing!

Oakay, all silliness aside, I think that sounds great. I see Lemon isn't getting too much participation, I'd like to remind the Lunar Councillors that it is okay to hold more than one office. For example, you may be a Lunar Councillor and also be something else in Lemon's government. FYI, reminder, thingy.

I'm glad you're taking an interest in the region, Aremnant.

Show me what you can do with this.

*Hands over a light saber*

@ Exotic Lemon, how should we handle citizenship? I could grant it through founder's privilege but I'm not sure if the Force is with this one? Do you have a citizenship application process?

Citizenship can still go by the old system of asking a few questions and requiring 2 government members to approve, but I feel thats outdated and should be updated. The solar council can and should draft a new citizenship law when they are elected. Personally I can't wait to let someone else handle citizenship, I hate updating the citizenship log.

I think the new titles should be:

Lord of Celery (domestic affairs)

The Melon Knight (foreign affairs)

Solar councilors (3)

Aremnant I usually do interviews via telegram but would you prefer to have it on the RMB? It will make the process faster as any government member can instantly approve and the telegrams requires 2 sets of back and forth questions and answers. It is however, less private if you prefer the telegram.

i don't care but if its faster to do over RMB sure.

Alistia

Exotic Lemon wrote:Citizenship can still go by the old system of asking a few questions and requiring 2 government members to approve, but I feel thats outdated and should be updated. The solar council can and should draft a new citizenship law when they are elected. Personally I can't wait to let someone else handle citizenship, I hate updating the citizenship log.

I think the new titles should be:

Lord of Celery (domestic affairs)

The Melon Knight (foreign affairs)

Solar councilors (3)

Aremnant I usually do interviews via telegram but would you prefer to have it on the RMB? It will make the process faster as any government member can instantly approve and the telegrams requires 2 sets of back and forth questions and answers. It is however, less private if you prefer the telegram.

Might as well have both be an option for the future

Exotic Lemon

Alistia wrote:Might as well have both be an option for the future

I will put that on the citizenship thing for now. Solar council can fix that when elected.

Aremnant wrote:i don't care but if its faster to do over RMB sure.

Alright, this should be faster

A few quick questions

What is your main nation?

What made you want to become a citizen?

Anything you would like us to know?

Exotic Lemon wrote:Alright, this should be faster

A few quick questions

What is your main nation?

What made you want to become a citizen?

Anything you would like us to know?

1. Treesil

2. Well to be a government official I have to be a citizen and I wanted to experience local government in interesting regions

I like the flag!

Exotic Lemon wrote:Citizenship can still go by the old system of asking a few questions and requiring 2 government members to approve, but I feel thats outdated and should be updated......

I can give one of the approvals if I'm allowed (if necessary). I do have some interview questions for the citizen-to-be.

Aremnant wrote:Oh and 3. Nope

Tell us how you found NationStates and specifically how you found us! (We need to know for marketing purposes.) :)

So the mystical council is still alive and kicking. That’s really great to see.

Oakplumington, Parakka Northland

Oakplumington wrote:

Tell us how you found NationStates and specifically how you found us! (We need to know for marketing purposes.) :)

1.

I found nationstates from my brother “hey Ryan come over and check this out”

“What is that?”

“Some game called nationstates”

And that’s how I found NS

2.

I was scrolling though the region tab to find a cool region I tried tSP tnp and communism x but settled on you guys

Oakplumington

Aremnant wrote:1.

I found nationstates from my brother “hey Ryan come over and check this out”

“What is that?”

“Some game called nationstates”

And that’s how I found NS

2.

I was scrolling though the region tab to find a cool region I tried tSP tnp and communism x but settled on you guys

Forest asked the questions I was so you have my approval. You need another approval from a government official.

Wolflandil, Oakplumington

Vedan wrote:So the mystical council is still alive and kicking. That’s really great to see.

Are you by any chance New Vedan?

Oakplumington

Exotic Lemon wrote:Forest asked the questions I was so you have my approval. You need another approval from a government official.

I guess I can approve. I haven't resigned from my position yet. :p

Oakplumington, Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:Are you by any chance New Vedan?

Yep that’s me.

Aremnant

So anyone wanna fill me in on what’s been going on in nation states in the last three years or so?

Vedan wrote:So the mystical council is still alive and kicking. That’s really great to see.

Dude, you're back! I can't believe it! :)

Vedan wrote:So anyone wanna fill me in on what’s been going on in nation states in the last three years or so?

You've missed so much. I don't even know where to begin. Why don't you unpack your things and get comfortable and I'll put some food on for you. The more important question is how have you been these past few years?

Exotic Lemon wrote:Are you by any chance New Vedan?

Lemon, since Vedan was one of the original people from a long time ago I feel his citizenship should be automatic.

Vedan, Exotic Lemon

Vedan wrote:So anyone wanna fill me in on what’s been going on in nation states in the last three years or so?

Remember Malcholm from UTNA? His main CTE a few weeks ago. I'm gonna have to send a puppet back to TGHI to keep a lid on things in case they get raided.

Exotic Lemon wrote:Forest asked the questions I was so you have my approval. You need another approval from a government official.

Aremnant gets a third approval from me!

Wolflandil, Aremnant

Oakplumington wrote:Lemon, since Vedan was one of the original people from a long time ago I feel his citizenship should be automatic.

I won't (and also can't) resist your request.

Oakplumington wrote:Aremnant gets a third approval from me!

I will add them both to the citizenship list.

The edit was spelling/grammar

Oakplumington

The Delegate's government candidacy poll for the solar council is now open. We have 3 available seats on the solar council as well as a domestic and a foreign affairs position.

Edit: Only citizens may vote or run, but don't need to be WA. In the event the election is tied, I think it should be oak's vote as the tiebreaker. Thoughts?

Oakplumington

Exotic Lemon wrote:The Delegate's government candidacy poll for the solar council is now open. We have 3 available seats on the solar council as well as a domestic and a foreign affairs position.

Edit: Only citizens may vote or run, but don't need to be WA. In the event the election is tied, I think it should be oak's vote as the tiebreaker. Thoughts?

Me as tiebreaker sounds reasonable. I'll hold back from voting and save it for tiebreaking.

I nominate Vedan to serve on the Solar Council.

Oakplumington wrote:Dude, you're back! I can't believe it! :)

You've missed so much. I don't even know where to begin. Why don't you unpack your things and get comfortable and I'll put some food on for you. The more important question is how have you been these past few years?

I’ve been alright I guess. My dad died last year and my mom has cancer. But I’ve been trying to keep my head up and not let it affect me to badly.

Oakplumington wrote:Lemon, since Vedan was one of the original people from a long time ago I feel his citizenship should be automatic.

Thanks man I appreciate it.

Northern Forestavia wrote:I nominate Vedan to serve on the Solar Council.

Sure man I’d love to get more involved with the region.

Wolflandil, Aremnant

Anyone knows if passwords are case sensitive? I’m having trouble refounding new vedan.

Vedan wrote:Anyone knows if passwords are case sensitive? I’m having trouble refounding new vedan.

Never mind I got in.

Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Aremnant

So is there a regional map?

Uhhh I just got a card pack? The ones with random nations on them? Could someone explain What’s up with that? Like can I be a card?

Vedan wrote:Uhhh I just got a card pack? The ones with random nations on them? Could someone explain What’s up with that? Like can I be a card?

For April fools max berry made card packs for anyone that existed during April 1 2018 so you unfortunately can’t be a card if you did I not exist then

Aremnant wrote:For April fools max berry made card packs for anyone that existed during April 1 2018 so you unfortunately can’t be a card if you did I not exist then

Huh, You know that guy thinks of some of the most off the Wall things for April fools day.

New Vedan wrote:Huh, You know that guy thinks of some of the most off the Wall things for April fools day.

yeah

Its so quite soo quite! no post since yesturday!

riddle

I have no life, but I can die. What am I?

Oakplumington

Aremnant wrote:Its so quite soo quite! no post since yesturday!

riddle

I have no life, but I can die. What am I?

fire?

Aremnant wrote:Its so quite soo quite! no post since yesturday!

riddle

I have no life, but I can die. What am I?

A battery

Oakplumington, Aremnant

New Vedan wrote:A battery

yeah

Oakplumington

Congratulations to Vedan/New Vedan for their win as solar councilor!

Just tell me which nation you prefer having the officer title.

The poll for foreign affairs candidates is now up as well.

Oakplumington

Exotic Lemon wrote:Congratulations to Vedan/New Vedan for their win as solar councilor!

Just tell me which nation you prefer having the officer title.

The poll for foreign affairs candidates is now up as well.

Give it too new vedan. It’s the one that actually has history here.

Aremnant

Definitely Not Gyuamno wrote:*skrrrt*

Aremnant wrote:*SKRRRE*

Sounds like you both need to check your brakes.

Definitely Not Gyuamno

New Vedan wrote:So is there a regional map?

I think someone was running one recently. I know there was one associated with Warzone Tmc for awhile. You'll have to ask Gyuamno about that though.

I think I found something: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=882109

Oakplumington wrote:I think someone was running one recently. I know there was one associated with Warzone Tmc for awhile. You'll have to ask Gyuamno about that though.

I think I found something: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=882109

That map was from the old rp region warzone TMC. Gyuamno made the map so Id ask them about it.

Definitely Not Gyuamno

Exotic Lemon do you have a dispatch about the powers/who is in that position currently?

So there’s no current regional map? Huh well if y’all want I’d be happy to try and make us a new map. If d could get a decent to going then it would get a whole lot more lively here.

Wolflandil, Aremnant

Aremnant wrote:Exotic Lemon do you have a dispatch about the powers/who is in that position currently?

Not at the moment but I do need to update a few things.

Since only 2 people seem interested in government at the moment I really don't know what to do.

Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:Not at the moment but I do need to update a few things.

Since only 2 people seem interested in government at the moment I really don't know what to do.

oh well

Exotic Lemon wrote:Not at the moment but I do need to update a few things.

Since only 2 people seem interested in government at the moment I really don't know what to do.

I'd be happy to join the government for a bit just for fun If the # of officers is an issue.

New Vedan, Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon

Civilisunio wrote:I'd be happy to join the government for a bit just for fun If the # of officers is an issue.

Sure man I’ll vote 4 u

Northern Forestavia

Hello TMC. I had announced my plans to resign from my position as Lunar Councilor and steward roughly a month ago. I have decided to resign early, however I will remain in the region for the next 24 hours in case someone has any questions.

First off in case someone wants to ask, I will return here before I ship out, after all, this is my nation's home. It is guarranteed that my nation will cease to exist even in vacation mode. I do plan on returning to nationstates when I return home, however it is not a promise that I will be on immediately.

Alistia, Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon, Aremnant

Wolflandil wrote:Hello TMC. I had announced my plans to resign from my position as Lunar Councilor and steward roughly a month ago. I have decided to resign early, however I will remain in the region for the next 24 hours in case someone has any questions.

First off in case someone wants to ask, I will return here before I ship out, after all, this is my nation's home. It is guarranteed that my nation will cease to exist even in vacation mode. I do plan on returning to nationstates when I return home, however it is not a promise that I will be on immediately.

Good luck m8, feel free to come back anytime.

Wolflandil, Oakplumington, Aremnant

Civilisunio wrote:I'd be happy to join the government for a bit just for fun If the # of officers is an issue.

Welcome back Civ!

Civilisunio

Exotic Lemon wrote:Congratulations to Vedan/New Vedan for their win as solar councilor!

Just tell me which nation you prefer having the officer title.

The poll for foreign affairs candidates is now up as well.

Since I'm already visiting all the embassy regions anyway I'll sign up for this one.

Wolflandil

Announcement

To give Lemon a chance to get his government set up, there will not be a Lunar Council election this month. The next Lunar Council election will be during the full moon in July.

Aremnant

Civilisunio wrote:I'd be happy to join the government for a bit just for fun If the # of officers is an issue.

Welcome back

There are still 2 open solar council spots if you want to join, same applies for anyone else if they have a sudden urge to be a part of the government.

Southern Forestavia, Civilisunio, Aremnant

Finally someone talking on the RMB

Southern Forestavia, Exotic Lemon

Aremnant wrote:Finally someone talking on the RMB

Silence is becoming more normal unfortunately

Southern Forestavia

Exotic Lemon wrote:Silence is becoming more normal unfortunately

Give me a just little bit more time to work on that map and tweak my Lore. I plan to change that soon.

Southern Forestavia, Exotic Lemon

*Falls over a bunch of pots and pans*

Aremnant, Definitely Not Gyuamno

Wolflandil wrote:Hello TMC. I had announced my plans to resign from my position as Lunar Councilor and steward roughly a month ago. I have decided to resign early, however I will remain in the region for the next 24 hours in case someone has any questions.

First off in case someone wants to ask, I will return here before I ship out, after all, this is my nation's home. It is guarranteed that my nation will cease to exist even in vacation mode. I do plan on returning to nationstates when I return home, however it is not a promise that I will be on immediately.

Oh ship out? What Branch?

I signed up for the Army Reserves last thursday.

Dont go to boot till october tho

Aremnant

Exotic Lemon wrote:Welcome back

There are still 2 open solar council spots if you want to join, same applies for anyone else if they have a sudden urge to be a part of the government.

That would be great. Are there elections for this or is appointment how you get in to the position?

Civilisunio wrote:That would be great. Are there elections for this or is appointment how you get in to the position?

Its an election but you are unopposed its probably best to just appoint you unless someone objects. Any objections?

New Vedan

Aremnant has won the lord of celery election, so congratulations!

Southern Forestavia, Aremnant

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