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Region: The Mystical Council
More powers are coming. I don't want to go too fast this time. Once the dust settles things will get clearer.
I know that this has been a trying time for all of us and tensions are high. If anyone feels they need to take a vacation, you can always return in the future. I promoted five embassies that I believe are our region's best allies. They are at the very top of the embassies list. I've done this so that in the event TMC would suffer a massive split you'll have alternate places to choose from. Hopefully we can stick together. I am still optimistic for the future! :)
i highly encourage visiting Thanksgiving, great place!
a second home!
Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
The region didnt elect me to hold a position in a useless legislature, i was elected to serve as a judge.
Malcholm
Whatcha mean by the bold statement? I ken say what eye pheel? Huuuuuuuuuuuh?!
Oakplumington
Things are different now. I'm sorry.
What are you doing, Bacon? You good? Here, have some celery.
*Hands celery*
Gyuamno
#AlistiaforPM
Alistia, Terran Flux
At the least split the lc into two houses, like our rl house.
One house does legislature, one does judicial.
Delegate + 3 senators leads legislature, 3-4 judges and/or included is a leadership position for the judiciary.
Also rename the lc to imperial senate, lc is outdated and inaccurate.
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
If forest gave up his grip on the judiciary id be willing to hear him out, until then i wont yield
Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Eyem goot. Eye'll munch on dhe selery.
Oakplumington
Might be an idea for down the road. I liked your idea about keeping the Secretary Delegate on for a six-month term.
Alistia
I dare someone to write "Goodbye fleeters! :P" on the Red Harbor RMB.
I'm up to my old tricks again already.
I really need to change my toothbrush soon.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
A legislative branch is just as useful as a judical branch. You can't even a judical branch without a legislative branch.
If you are really not happy about it though resign.
Oakplumington
Personally I think we need to slowly sort out the mess that is our regional laws. Then focus a bit more on their application via some sort of judicaly branch.
What's with the star wars references? Personally I'm in favour of keeping the Lunar Council as it taps into our regions history and helps to keep some of our culture.
I'm sure it will happen in time but at the moment just chill and let's see where this goes.
Oakplumington
It may be just as useful.
Im not saying we shouldn't have one, but our judges shouldnt be forced into it.
The 2 houses idea is a compromise.
The lc could be a blanket term like congress, but not a term for a specific job.
It's a major compromise in my written constitution. Thing is, people don't want another failed government.
Alistia, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
Keep in mind this all started over a year ago with the dismemberment of the old system, rather than trying to fix things. I'm hoping that we can move on from here to try and re-establish our culture etc.
Oakplumington
I'm a fan of the Oral-B line of manual toothbrushes
Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
Now that you mention it, I need to go to Walmart and get a new pack too.
Oakplumington, Terran Flux
There will be room for compromise later on. First we have to figure out who we are as a region. We're having an identity crisis.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Thank you for saying this! This is probably one of the biggest problems our region faces. The legislative process has been unclear for months but we've had a judicial system and an expectation for it to work despite not having a clear way to create laws. The legislature will be the most important branch in this region.
Parakka Northland
I sent the Nodenpuff Star King Treaty to the Lunar Council for a Yes or No vote on repeal. I will publish the votes once they are all in.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
Mark your calendars!
On November 18th, the people will ask their government questions. Peasants and WA members alike will be given the floor to ask questions of their government officials. Me and the entire Lunar Council will face the wrath of the people right here on the RMB.
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
I'll do it haha
Oakplumington
Important Days Coming Up!
Tuesday November 14 is the 3rd anniversary of The Mystical Council's refounding.
Saturday November 18 - A public forum will be held on the RMB. The people will ask questions of their government including the Founder, Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and the members of the Lunar Council.
Thursday November 23rd - Thanksgiving Day (TMC, Thanksgiving)
Thursday November 30th - Lunar Council candidate sign up poll
Sunday December 3rd - Full Moon! Lunar Council elections
Monday December 18th - New Moon! A public forum will be held on the RMB. The people will ask questions of their government including the Founder, Delegate, Secretary Delegate, and the members of the Lunar Council.
Monday January 1st - Construction may resume on new embassies.
(You can find this schedule at Oak's info center.)
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
So, if we are the illegal legislature, why don't we have polls [nation=long]Oakplumington[/nation]? [spoiler=Pssst Malcholm]WILL YOU PLEASE NULLIFY THAT DOCKET?! OAK WILL PROBABLY REST WHEN THIS HAPPENS!!![/spoiler]
You are the legitimate legislature under the region's current constitution, which I instated using my executive authority as founder to save the region. No member of the Lunar Council will have polls. Only me, the Delegate, and the Secretary Delegate will have access to polls under this system. The reason why is because you are legislators. Your job is to vote on stuff. You won an election and represent the people, therefore the Lunar Council can act on their behalf. This is how representative democracy works.
Parakka Northland
[nation=long]oakplumington[/nation], now you know that legislators also propose legislation and put it in the floor. A legislature with no polls authority is not a legislature at all.
Alistia, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
The Lunar Council will only consist of 3-7 members. You don't need to set up a poll for 7 or fewer members. You can just discuss and vote on the RMB or through telegram. I'm experimenting with different methods right now to find the most effective one.
All you really need is a dispatch with your names at the bottom and how the Lunar Council voted.
Parakka Northland
Or create a voter database that can detect cheats. That's my other option. You literally disbanded the entire government due to the password being put up and you got mad about it. Someone obviously asked you to do this. If I find out who it was they are going to be in big trouble. I have some undercover puppets watching in various regions now. Don't be on fools gold.
Alistia
The votes to bring me back were nearly unanimous and things were getting worse over here. I did this on my own.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Are you talking about the court docket to compulsive activity that was unanimous? Seems like that docket was a mistake and should be nullified. Ugh.
No, I'm talking about an RMB post I made a few days ago. I was taking telegrams from people seeing if I should return or not.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
I think he is referring to the RMB post about him coming back.
New Bacon
Wow. That was weird. Great minds think alike! ;)
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
You say the votes where almost unanimous, but i think thats a lie.
In the interest of transparency, i will show the region what my vote was.
"If the founder returned in the way it used to exist, the libertarian, hands off way, not the type that will declare emergencys, raid the region, etc, then Yes." - my reply to wether he should come back.
Idk what others said, but im sure other people said similar things. Buy ofc, oak only read the 'yes' instead of the 'hands off, dont raid us or declare emergencies."
Also, the lunar council deciding weather a law is to be repealed is complete and utter bs.
We have always voted as a whole region when it comes to law creation and repeal. Now however, oak has stolen that power from the people, and handed it to a few elites.
The people no longer have a choice in deciding what is law, a few elite lc membets do.
Oakplumington has violated the embassy protection act.
Oakplumington
The rose garden, libertarian, new celtic order, and mystical council are all proteted from removal unless we vote on removing them from the list. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=899974
More tyranny.
Oakplumington, Exotic Lemon
Whilst I understand the point you are making there are times where people have voiced a concern or made a suggestion who were not in government in any capacity at the time and have had those concerns etc simply brushed under the carpet, whether for a legitimate reason or because it was inconvenient.
I do think Representation on the legislative branch could help to address that and the Vice delegate to actually give him something to do can ensure that the legislative branch listens to any legislation brought to then by the “people” and table it for discussion. I also agree that major law changes should be brought to the region to be voted on, but not everything.
Oakplumington
True! I have violated the EPA. But remember the original reason why we passed the EPA to begin with was because I was going to be a passive founder and let you guys do whatever you wanted with the embassies. It was supposed to be an extra layer of protection between our embassies and people like the fleeters. Now that I'm back and am going to be active for awhile we really don't need the EPA because I can step in and defend any embassies that are attacked by enemies.
Specifically the first three embassies are dead and I have plans for the back up region. The next poll I put up will be about the future of the back up region.
Parakka Northland
I said "almost".
First Repeal Passed!
Malcholm - Repeal
Terran Flux - Repeal
Parakka - Keep
Alistia - Repeal
The Immortal Elysium - Repeal
Bacon - Did Not Vote
The repeal of the Star King/Nodenpuff Treaty has passed the Lunar Council 4-1 with 1 member not voting.
Now it goes to the desk of the Delegate, Emperor Terran Flux for a signature or veto.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
I will sign
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
So, to be clear, any document passed as law by the citizens of the region, will just be ignored by you?!
Right now things are very disorganized and we are under a state of emergency. So I'm going to take some liberties here and there. The EPA is still law and we will revisit it soon. Perhaps we should keep it so that some of our embassies are safe from crazy people like me (haha!).
The laws will be honored by me for the most part. There may be instances here and there where I might make an executive decision about certain things.
The treaty has been repealed. Wahoo!
Would you be interested in being our history/culture person? I'll wait to delete it until you have copied and pasted it if you want.
Parakka Northland
You say we have laws still, but most of them have been violated by you, we cant so anything to stoo it, and you dont care about violating them.
Yoy might as well issue a decree killing legislation, so there isnt confusion.
Sure I'll look at it for the time being (I'll get around to it tomorrow or Saturday)
Oakplumington
It's going to be tough for the next few weeks. The Mystical Council is going through growing pains. Sometimes it is going to be hard to watch. I want to try to get things done without too much fuss but I also want to respect the laws. I'm going to do the best I can to find that balance. While I try to do that, the region needs to recognize that I am the executive founder of this region and that I care about it. And also recognize that we are under a state of emergency due to the infighting, due to the instability, due to the collapse of our government and social order. I saw this happening months ago. Late August and September, I saw the writing on the wall and I knew that we were going to be having some serious problems as a region. Everything I tried to do democratically, legally, the proper way was met with obstruction, opposition, and protest. It happened to others as well. So if we're going to talk about laws, let's at least be honest about it and realize that we are at a place right now as a region where we really don't have any laws at all.
This is why I'm doing things the way I am doing them at this time.
Parakka Northland
I have this thermos that keeps things hot for a really long time. The tea I brewed this morning was still hot. I love this thing! I didn't even know about it until I started digging around the kitchen.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
I'm looking at that poll up there and I'm thinking that there are two ways to interpret it.
1. The first way is to say that the Lunar Council vote currently stands at 3-1 with 2 not voting.
2. The second way is to say that the Guardians have voted 3-2.
In this particular situation, either way would result in getting rid of Vedan's Lucernist holiday. We still have two days to go.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
I like what you're doing Oak! Keep it up!
Oakplumington, Terran Flux
All check out the policy tab on your nation it's very cool feature!
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Terran Flux
I'll have to vote in ~2 days, when I can safely pull my WA out
Oakplumington
Time to celebrate our region's third birthday! :)
Alistia, New Bacon, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
New Bacon, Do you still run a region map?
Alistia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
The Immortal Elysium, When you were foreign affairs minister did you enjoy it? Did you like forming relationships with other regions?
Alistia, Parakka Northland
"No less than 3. No more than 7." This is the motto of the Lunar Council. The size of the Lunar Council may shrink or expand based on the needs of the region. I would like to hear your opinions on what the size of the Lunar Council should be and why. The discussion that follows will be a large factor in what will happen during January's Lunar Council election.
For [I]some reason[/I] the number 3 keeps popping into my head. Weird.
Parakka Northland
The Mystical Council contains 33 nations, the 453rd most in the world.
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Malcholm
Lemon is 3rd for most pacifist! You win 33.33 points!
Gerissa is 33rd for most pacifist! You win 33.33 points!
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Well, I didn't run for FA because it was boring.
Talking with other regions, when I wasn't too distracted with internal affairs, all of them conflicts, I liked. Planned to do more of it
Alistia, Malcholm, Oakplumington
I like the idea of it being able to expand and shrink as needed. So long as there are conditions in place the specify when ether action should be taken. Again this probably should be decided in some sort of Consitition or other form of legislation.
Oakplumington, Jorvas
I like 6..
3 judicial officers, 3 legislators. Thats not including throwing in a vice/secretary delegate position.
Exotic Lemon
1 founder, 1 wa delegate (executive), 1 secretary delelgate (legaslative/judicial),
3 senators (legislative), 3 justices (judicial)
Exotic Lemon
Scrap the Secretary delegate as they won't do anything like last time we had one.
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W3 ar3 talking about th3 Lunar Council not the whol3 gov3rnm3nt. ;)
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You can start doing your old job again. We're going to have a cross between a ministry and the old system. I'll talk more about this soon (I don't have it figured out yet). Just focus on building relationships with the embassies that we have right now.
Parakka Northland
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Malcholm, Oakplumington
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Malcholm
Aw3som3! W3 ar3 no long3r an 3mbassy-coll3cting r3gion. Now w3 hav3 3mbassi3s with only activ3 r3gions. :)
Malcholm
Wolves and Ferrets and Bears, Oh my! W3 hav3 thr33 wond3rful animal 3mbassi3s. Th3y'r3 all mammals!
Malcholm
The Wolf Clan has a new embassy policy. Since you are the Lunar Council member who "specializes" in Foreign Affairs, you may interview TMC residents to see who would best qualify for Alpha's BOW Ambassador program.
I know Alpha personally and we're good friends. I'd like to apply for that position
Oakplumington
Alright, because of this thingy, I shall look through the thingy and find a good person for the thing, alright?
So, TMc peoples, if you wanna be ambassador, quote me, tag me, or tg me about it, and I'll decide on the thing. Cool?
Terran Flux, got you as first nation willing to be ambassador, but if anybody else wanna go for it, let me know.
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Terran Flux
Yes and the Geological Survey Board.
Oakplumington
Nah
New Bacon, Malcholm
I hate him
You've said that before lol
Alistia, New Bacon
Oakplumington These are the current board members but that may change as some of them are inactive.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=756006
Alistia, Oakplumington
I have connections to Alpha wolf
Oakplumington, Terran Flux
U not escapin me Big Daddy! I will follow u 4ever!
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Sad that us government officers dont even have the ability to change the factbook or pin a dispatch (like this one) ;(
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=815038
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alistia/detail=factbook/id=912390
MASSIVELY changed.
Malcholm, Terran Flux
Imperial senate is a dumb name
Parakka Northland
We're keeping New Celtic Order for historical reasons.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
This is amazing. I'm going to pin this up. Do you want to be the Lunar Council Member specializing in Role Play?
Hang tight for a little bit. I don't want to go too fast this tim333333. I'm still getting things into position. The entire Lunar Council and Delegate will be getting appearance in a couple of w33ks.
I'm thinking foreign affairs or intel for you. We're going to need a second Lunar Council member to specialize in foreign relations because we're still going to have 40-something embassies aft3r all the demolition is over. That's a lot of embassies for one person to handl3.
Parakka Northland
Foreign Affairs isn't my thing :P
And I still plan on restoring the judicial branch, in some form, once we are straightened out a bit.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the judicial branch yet. It's probably just going to be me for awhile. If the region grows, maybe I'll add two seats in addition to myself.
It will be you for a while, but that time will come to an end eventually.
The Judiciary won't stay oppressed by you!
Parakka Northland, You'll probably need this for your records.
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1. In honor of the Lucernist Gods, July 19th will forever be known as Lucernism Day. July 19th will be a regional holiday. All nonessential personnel at regional headquarters will have the day off. Individual nations are encouraged but not required to participate.
*Proposed by Oakplumington 7/19, Council Summoned 7/19, Council Passed 2-0 on 7/24, Oakplumington signed into law 7/24.
((This was from 2015. Just noticed there was no year))
Parakka Northland
"oppressed" is such a strong word.
I mean, you abolishing the judiciary and taking it for yourself is my main problem with you, your'e emergency govt, etc.
At least I keep things interesting. ;)
Parakka Northland
Back up region poll is going to be next.
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