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Region: The Mystical Council
Again that tells us nothing clear about your platform other than you plan on being here more often. "Voice, Cooperation, and Justice" are just buzzwords. You can add "honesty, bravery, intelligence, kindness, modesty...." the list is endless, but none of these buzzwords tell us what you got in store. Give us some real information and prove to us that you are deserving of being our delegate.
To help you do this, let's start with some question.
So what do you plan to do with your extra active time? What responsibilities will you be carrying out that you think Parkka is currently not fulfilling due to him not being as active as you would like? Moreover, what sort of approach will you take as the delegate? Will you be an overseeing manager of other officials or will you take a direct interfering approach into the operation of the government?
This is a very good basic idea, but how do you plan on executing it? How are you going to make sure that people who run for office, take on the responsibilities of their office once they get it, and not just sit on their butts, simply happy to have office powers. It's a very important issue and we would like to hear how you plan on tackling it.
How will you do that? Will you write laws yourselves, or overwatch the judicial branch doing that? What about a constitution? We tried to make one before but things didn't work out. Now we only have The Basic Rights of Nations bill. Will you be making a constitution? If so, how long into your delegacey should we expect it to be done?
Several people now have voiced themselves saying that having a minister of war is useless, and that the office should be merged with the minister of defense office to lessen the confusion. Will you be doing that or have two separate offices that do almost the same thing?
These are so far my questions.
[nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation], you may also make your own platform as well here about why the region should continue to have you as delegate. I will attempt to question your points as well if there are some unclear details.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
I plan to place these in a a sort of guideline system.
[*]Voice- The ability for the public and government officials to voice their opinions freely with little suppression. (Can you guess how I have already attempted to do this. Hint: Freedom of Information Bill).
[*]Cooperation - We need to cooperate to get things done in this region. That's why I am trying to work with each branch to ensure harmony and see things get done with some guidance.
[*]Justice- We have to ensure that the innocent are found innocent and the guilty get the punishment they deserve no more no less. We can't allow people to ruin our image that we have built up (with our beloved Minister of Foreign Affairs [nation=short]kazukame[/nation]).
[*]I plan to just do more and get more done in whatever term i have as delegate to ensure I make a mark on this region and help it to the fullest of my abilitys. I believe parakka isn't doing as much as he could, but I will do, again, as much as I can.
I don't know what you would call it, but I plan to get involved in the other branches because then I would just be the people that I am trying to stop (the ones that sit back and do nothing).
[*]I plan on checking on each member and seeing their activity in their position. If they aren't completing anything I will create a report then give it to the public for a review then poll to either impeach them or not. Simple but effective.
[*]I will overview the branches and guide and help them with the experience I have gained being in key other positions either here or in other regions.
[*]I meant to say they would be combined thats why I didn't mention the minister of defense. I think it should just be minister of war like the General better speaking.
I hope those answered your questions to the fullest.:)
Forestavia, Malcholm
Alright Civ, you have answered some of my questions, and quite well if I may say, but some still remain unclear. For example
So gives us an example of a past situation that you think Parakka didn't handle it as best as he could have, and how would you have done it.
So are you saying that you will not be writing laws yourself and only oversee the judicial branch doing it? And what of the constitution? Will you tackle that issue? Would you write it yourself?
Forestavia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
[nation=short]Barishmacht[/nation] and [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] (You) case. I think he should have came in and stopped it way better than he did especially since it involved a government official. I would have came in and warned both of you and if it persisted told you to stop it before I suspended Bar and had a temp. for him and Write up a case against you both for continuing the battle.
I also believe he really hasn't done much at all and I keep trying to find a way to say it, but we have had a lot of things and he hasn't been doing much and hasn't been on our discord as much unlike I am.
I really am more connected and active and have the ability to do more than he has.
No. I will keep wriring laws like I usually do, but help the Lunar council make their laws the best they can be so that they don't have to rely as much on other people to make laws and they can do it quick, but still have extremely quality work along with the speed.
I believe we NEED a constitution and I will write the constitution along with the judicial branch and the ministry and the people to make sure we make a strong foundation to this region.
Here I will use my analogies. The constitution will be the foundation for the region, The 3 pillars will support the region which will be the roof.
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Forestavia, Malcholm
I'm back!
Did you all miss me?
Forestavia, Civilisunio
Hello. Welcome back.
Malcholm, Lamparian Border Control
I'll be working here again, but this isn't my main, and I won't be active on this one as much.
Civilisunio
What's your main?
Classified.
But don't worry about that. I'll still be pretty active on this account.
Civilisunio
[nation=short]teurs[/nation] i guess you had better release the results of the civ v. cuba v. lampar case now
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
There was another case?
The other one I was found innocent.
Malcholm
there was the case where you tag raided TBG, and the one where you where accused, (and admitted) to helping TRF in some way
Civilisunio
While I do think that perhaps Parakka was not as much involved in our case as he should have (which is still open BTW, and soon I will be submitting all of my evidence to the LC) I think it's a terrible idea to punish BOTH parties involved. Whenever there's an issue among members of the region, simply punishing both parties and silencing them does not solve the issue at all. It only hides the problem. The correct course of action is for the judicial branch to examine the issue, review the argument of both sides, and make a decisive decision on the matter with regards to the evidence and points presented.
Alright, thank you for answering my questions. I hope the rest of the region reviews your platform as well. Personally, I will be thinking about your plans today to decide if I can support you as our next delegate.
P.S: Please don't use this drawing again:
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It's kinda cringy.
[B]P.P.S: @ EVERYONE ELSE[/B]: Please review Civ's platform and ideas as well; here are his RMB posts about the subject:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=22561416
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=22565417
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=22567705
Malcholm, Civilisunio
I thought I would quote this one rather than all of them as with no pc / Internet access atm it's a bit tricky.
So basically your entire bid to be delegate is fundamentally that I'm not doing anything? With a few ideas thrown in.
Here's the same answer I gave you last time. We have an elected government that the people choose to run the region. It is not my job to hold each ministers hand to make sure that they are doing Said jobs. My job is to make sure that the Lunar Council President and Prime minister are doing their jobs and that their branches are doing their jobs.
Your point regarding the dispute between two region members and you feeling that I didn't do enough. I did tell both to nock it off. But do you think I should have gone further and ejected them both from the region?
In regards to the discord channel. I'm around if anyone wishes to ask me something in particular. Equally to say I'm not around and not active on their is a bit of a kick in the face given the Private Chat going on between the two of us.
Now if you want to be delegate then fine, become delegate throw honest means and stop trying to bad mouth me and ruin my reputation to get there.
So why should I be delegate? Will since I've been delegate besides the odd bit of arguing between members, there has been a good period of calm withing the region and the region is beginning to finally get to grips with this government system.
Also as Delegate I will continue to ensure that the region continues to operate in a smooth manner and prosper under this government system. Finally as Delegate I hope to oversee the first government elections and ensure that more rules are put in place to enable to the lunar council to continue their excellent work.
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Viva Italia
I never bashed you not did I trash talk you. That as really undiplomatic calling me out for trashtalking you when I didn't even speak that much on the issue and I really was nice about it. I have a lot of ideas that are difrrent than any delegates in tmc history I bet. Please call down and let me campaign without interference from you.
Alistia
For the month of December, if you are the delegate throughout, what ideas are you going to introduce? (Ex: proposing a new bill, starting a new alliance, doing an intra or inter regional project, reexamining a particular old issue......)
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
I am planning to look at the creation of a legislative branch of government that will have two jobs fundamentally. First to create legislation for the region. Second to review any legislation proposed by region members to make sure it doesn't infringe on existing laws unless they plan for it to amend an existing law if that makes sense?
Civilisunio
That's altering the government system.....
I am pretty sure I was shot down for that......
Here's a question for Parakka and Civ,
- What would each of you do about the situation and controversy surrounding embassy creation with and participation in Tudb Hq? Would you be more likely to support with a revised Charter Article III § 4? If not, what will you do to reform The Battle Guard, if at all? The largest argument for joining TUDB, in my eyes, is that The Battle Guard isn't at all that active or proficient.
Here's a link to the Discord if you'd like to get a more thorough analysis of how we operate: https://discord.gg/4P2DQug
Forestavia, Alistia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Welcome back to the region, Lampar!
Civilisunio
I believe the battle guard needs to be very active because it is our main source of protection. I think we should do a voluntary draft and not join TUDB. We are always joining alliances like that but why not make out own?
Malcholm
Hi
Malcholm
Hi Civ! :)
Malcholm, Civilisunio
Sooo. Have you seen my ideas for delegate?
Yeah, I've read through some of them. Still catching up a little. You have good ideas, Civ. I predict that you will go far in this region.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
Civ,what do you think the ministries should do or shouldn't have done?
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
I agree because it would be bad if Civ became WAD and was then found guilty.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'm not in the raiding or defending business as most know but I would put it to the region to vote on. I do feel that the battle guard should be more intertwined with TMC but that's my opinion and when I mentioned it during its creation I was shot down for it.
Alistia, Malcholm
I'm having a little trouble with the poll. Is this legislation or is this just a constitutional opinion poll questions? There is no dispatch and the typical yea, nay options are absent. I feel that our choices have been given to us without any clarification.
I would prefer the "Forever" option honestly which also takes into consideration a nation's freedom to resign and also includes a very easy impeachment option for whenever change is deemed necessary. But, the way it is written looks undemocratic, so... that leave four months or three. I'm just going with four just to put my voice into it but I'm not sure what's going on with this poll. It's my first impression. I know I haven't been very active recently.
Parakka Northland
I don't think you guys have done anything wrong, but I do want to work with you guys, find your problems and fix them and give you guidance to better fullfill your responsibilitys.:)
Thanks sir.
Welcome to the region, [nation=short]Ziodine 554[/nation]!
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'm going to remove the word "proposal" from the basic rights law since it passed.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Actually three months is more democratic.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I know I've changed my vote so many times now. I've decided to abstain until some things about the poll are clarified.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I'm going with no term limits. That's my final switch. Alright, here's my position. If I had a choice I would vote in favor of a proposal that would allow for 4 month terms with no limit on the number of terms that could be served. The problem with the poll above is that two separate things are being discussed at the same time. Term limits (the number of terms one may serve) is a separate issue from [I]the length of time served during[/I] a single term. So the reason why I'm having so much trouble with the poll is due to the fact that there are two separate issues being discussed.
This poll is basically the same thing as asking someone if they would like to remodel their living room or if they would like a cup of tea. It's possible that they may want both and it's also possible that they may want neither.
Let's take the President of the United States for example, the number of years served during a term was determined when the US Constitution was written. More than a century later, an amendment was passed dealing with the separate issue of the number of terms a President could serve. The length of the term itself did not change.
Another example in the form of a rhetorical question. What would happen if you gave every nation just one vote but put the Lunar Council election and Prime Minister election in the same poll? What does one have to do with the other?
[nation=short]Alistia[/nation],
It is for this reason the I hereby formally file a complaint with the Office of the Prime Minister of The Mystical Council. I request a cancellation of the current poll due to poor wording.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]VIVA ITALIA[/nation], If you want to you can include my above post in your newspaper as an opinion piece by the Emperor.
Alistia, Malcholm, Viva Italia
Everyone please listen to this.
I am admitting to working with the Red Fleet.
Malcholm, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland
Request denied.
As you have said you haven't been as active lately so i can explain for a bit.
For over a month [nation=short]mugwop[/nation], me and most others in the region have been talking about the term limits of each office.
Not the amount of terms a nation can serve, but how long the position is held by a nation before a new election.
for the 4 month option, elections for the position would happen every 4 months.
for the 3 month option, elections for the position would happen every 3 months.
for the 'forever' nation, the nations who current have the seat will keep it for how ever long they want.
and the 'other' option is for nations who have a different idea to submit.
Forestavia, Malcholm
everyone already knows that
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Prepare to be crushed by the power and might of ANTICOM!
Malcholm
Oh, well then why was I found innocent in the other case?
Malcholm
Ok, then. I'm switching my vote back to four. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Alistia, Malcholm
So you think we need to create another branch of government that's responsible exclusively on creating laws, instead of having the existing judicial branch be responsible for it?
The battle guard's purpose is not to defend TMC. Defending TMC is simply ensuring that our native delegate has as many endorsements as they can get. However, the guard's purpose is to raid and defend other regions. So with you as delegate, what sort of raiding/defending activities do you have in mind? Any particular agenda and type of regions in regards to targets we attack or defend?
Yeah I think it's obvious to the voters, by the options, that we are referring to the actual length of the limit. I personally don't think there should be a limit on the number of times someone can run for office. If the region wants to keep electing them, so be it.
Malcholm, Viva Italia
[nation=short]viva_italia[/nation],[nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation],[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation],[nation=short]alistia[/nation],[nation=short]malcholm[/nation],[nation=short]barishmacht[/nation],[nation=short]moltavo[/nation],[nation=short]civilisunio[/nation]
Y'all should vote for the 4 month option in the poll.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=74725
One less election a year, one less headache.
Forestavia, Malcholm
I think we have a legislative branch already don't we? I thought that's what the House of Lords and Commons were supposed to do.
Alistia, Malcholm
because tbg isn't officially tmc.
Malcholm
yeah, and we have voted on their stuff
Malcholm
Well, we're supposed to aren't we? We're all members of the legislature by definition.
Alistia
yea
Malcholm
To keep a stable government in place, stop changing it.
We've had almost 3 referendums to decide if we should change the government.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Right--The Battle Guard certainly needs to be active, but it isn't; at least, it's not anywhere near as active as TUDB. We don't really have a draft...and the only real effect membership would have on existing soldiers is they'd all gain a sort-of 'dual-citizenship' with TBG and TUDB, and be required to participate in TUDB sanctioned defenses. Your response kinda felt like a non-answer; what sort of actions would you take to revitalize The Battle Guard?
Making our own alliance would only further saturate the sponge of R/D.
I'll push: if you could, what steps would you take to further intertwine The Battle Guard with TMC?
Alistia, Lamparian Border Control
If you need me to I can watch over it with one of my puppets.
Malcholm
I like that idea. Having citizenship in more than one region could be interesting to experience. That could really enhance a region's experience and broaden its horizons.
*Winks suspiciously*
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
We lacked precedent. If you recall, the lack of guilt doesn't equate to innocence ;)
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Didn't Cuba want to make a new defender region?
He told me about it, but when he became Minister of War, he never passed the bill.
Forestavia, Malcholm
I don't even remember him doing anything, really. If he's still interested I don't think it'd be a problem for him to participate in TUDB.
Forestavia
Send one over, the more the merrier.
I don't want to give up my ability to do a raid once in a while though
Malcholm
It seems that I am the only active person in the region. TBG is not active due to the lack of WA nations and lack of people. Recruitment is necessary but that does not mean that all of the nation's will ever join the World Assembly. The more World Assembly members we have the more active we can be. Or we can end the merger one. Just like Forestavia is the founder of this region; forest is depending on the region to run on its own. Same thing with the battle guard. Officers need to step in when the founder cannot be on. Life struggles will likely keep me off of nationstates just like Forestavia. I'm free to listen to any ideas.
Alistia, Malcholm, Barishmacht, Rondaland
Well, here is something we have to consider. Just like Lamparian Border Control said, "To keep a stable government in place, stop changing it. We've had almost 3 referendums to decide if we should change the government."
I think this means that there is obviously something wrong with the government and we need to change it. If there is that many people wanting change you cannot ignore that. Now, if we do not have a stable region then we look weak and that could make us a prime target if anyone with a big raiding group decides to come in and mess everything up. Raiding other nations could make that target even bigger as we would have nations that could endorse not in the region.
I believe that we should just wait a while before joining any huge organizations besides for defensive ones (we kinda need that at the moment). We already have too much to worry about.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I was just talking about joining TUDB, i don't want to give up my ability to raid, and like [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] said, it seems like the current government is now stable.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Rondaland
Right now our main focus shouldn't be joining any defending and raiding groups. [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation], I really am not familiar as much with raiding and defending, but believe that the minister of war is elected for that reason.:)
I think we need to Cancel The Battle Guard as our official military and then join a defending and raiding group and send people their or something along those lines.
^^^^^^^^
It seems drastic but the battle guard is really just a waste of space because we rarely use it.
Alistia, Malcholm
I agree about t joining I think that comes later, but soon.
Malcholm
Im still waiting for you to take over the region as you said you were going to if i didnt make you an officer of the region lol
I did propose that the responsibility for legislation should fall to the judicial branch but that idea didnt sit will with the ministry. Personally i would rather have the judicial branch responsible for the legislation as well if possible. Ill put it to the vote, when theres a space come up
Sorry but i think one every quarter would be a good idea personally.
To answer if possible get bacon to agree to make TBG part of TMC and give TMC rights to govern the actions of the Guard. Like a real world government does with their militarises
Alistia, Malcholm
Post self-deleted by Gyuamno.
Far too often I find the WA Delegate becoming inactive or ineffective during their term. I rather vote them out sooner rather than later.
*Accidently deleted my post, my apologies.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I agree that some govt officers will probably go inactive during that time.
And as someone else said it makes it simpler, by having one election each quarter of the year, and the government wont get too stale.
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
I can honestly say I do my best with both my activity and effectiveness.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Viva Italia
[B]The current poll is not about the delegate. There are no term lengths regarding the delegate.[/B]
A person is delegate here so long as they have sufficient endorsements. If people don't want them, they can endorse another.
The poll is about all other government officials.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Poll posted as promised 😊
Malcholm
The concept remains the same - regardless of position.
Alistia, Malcholm
why is this even a poll?
we have other things that need to be in the polls, and we already have a legislative as me and [nation=short]forestavia[/nation] said yesterday :P
Malcholm
The legislation is made by the entire government, Laws by Lc. Accords, Treatys, Etc. To the ministry. Legislation is also made by the people to ensure the people's voice is direct and they can get their laws passed if people like them too.
Malcholm
Bask in the glory of my flag.
Alistia, Civilisunio
*basks in glory*
The glory feels like nasty mud.
Malcholm
:p
Yes and no. Having the judicial branch as the legislative branch does NOT mean ONLY the judicial branch can submit laws. Everyone can, that remains true. However, having the judicial branch as the legislative branch, means that when there is a need for a law to be regarding an issue, the judicial branch MUST under its duties write a law to address the matter.
Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
I feel that's whats great about tmc the people can make proposals to what they feel is the correct way to deal with an issue and then if enough support is given their proposal would be passed.:)
Yes, and having the judicial branch as the legislative branch does NOT take away that right from the people of the region.
Quite the contrary.
Not only will people to submit proposal whenever they want, but it will make it mandatory that the judicial branch submits proposals to address the issues of the region
Malcholm, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
But why would we need to make it mandatory if the people would submit a proposal.
Maybe a Saftey legislative branch that would make proposals if nobody submitted one in the timeline of said problem. So that the legislative branch isn't as big of a government branch as the others, but Is usefull so that we have a strong law making branch in the abscense of a eligible proposal.
It's not mandatory of the people, but mandatory of the Judicial Branch.
The general public can submit laws if they wish, or not.
However, I think you and I are on the same point. You say that we need new laws to be made tackling a particular issue in a proper timeline, and that's what I want ultimately, and I want the Judicial Branch to be responsible to it.
Yes, we can create a safety net branch as you mentioned, but I think our goverment is already too big.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
That's why we would create the legislative branch but it would only be if nobody submitted a proposal in the said issues timeline. Then the legislative branch would make one so that the problem is fixed.
Yes but why should it be a different branch than the Judicial? Why not consolidate and make them one?
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
That's what I was implying. But it would still be just a safety thing.
Mugwop
Okay you lost me there, if you are implying that the Judicial and Legislative should be 1, why did you vote no?
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Because I want it to be doffent and not be ratified without further explanation and elaboration on how, what, and why.
Alistia
^^^ [nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation]
Alright, I get you, you want it like an unwritten rule. I can understand that.
Alistia, Malcholm, Civilisunio
I'll quote this one to answer your question
So why? Ok when I was on the LC we had a case of voters fraud if everyone remembers with all the puppets etc. Now basically they were found innocent not because they didn't try and right the election but because there was no law that specifically said that it was against the law to actually try and rig the election (if you got caught after succeeding then you were in trouble). Now at the time I suggested an ammendment to the fraud act to address this, which was promptly not added to the act and was pretty much ignored at the time by the Delegate and Prime Minister.
So again why have the judicial branch also responsible for legislation? Well because it means they can address lop holes within the regions laws which at present they can't do and are totally reliant on the Ministry to address those loop holes which doesn't seem to happen, in my view.
Now yes we could have a separate branch to deal with legislation but as has already been pointed out the government is already quite big and no one wants it to get bigger. So adding the legislative responsibilities to the judicial branch would address that issue.
Also please consider that at no point would any of this prevent anyone from submitting laws. However, I would suggest that the LC if granted legislative abilities be able to review said laws created by individuals, before being put to the vote in order to ensure the quality of said law
Viva Italia
Post self-deleted by Parakka Northland.
So guys can I ask all those who voted no why please?
Also [nation=short]Alistia[/nation] when are the government elections going to take place? As if I'm not mistaken they should be in December?
Please feel free to stop by and join SK's little thanksgiving feast! <3
To those observing the holiday:
I hope you all have a Happy Thanksgiving!
Alistia, Civilisunio
[nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] that post isn't really spam. It's an invitation from our neighbour that we have embassies with.
Alistia
OK I'll unsurpress it
Ok guys I thought I would mention this here so everyone knows the score. I am not planning on retiring from being delegate anytime soon. I am getting tired of being asked each and every day when I'm retiring by a certain individual. If this continues I will take this to the lunar council for them to resolve. As it's beginning to feel like harassment. This is the first and only warning I'm going to give and personally i think I have been being nice about it up till now
Alistia, Viva Italia
I'm voting no because in the current system anybody can propose laws at any time, and passing the law would take that right away from everybody and make it so only the LC could do it.
Same to you
As I have said that wouldn't be the case
It reminds me of the simple system we used to have. The Lunar Council used to have legislative abilities. I would be for an amendment changing the current structure in this case. This could cut down on poll usage and possible help the government run more efficiently. Don't forget to write a dispatch about this that abolishes the House of Lords and Commons, though. Otherwise we'll end up with an even more complicated system.
But before we start changing the system yet again. I would also check with [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] who has been working hard on a constitution based on the current system. If Bacon's proposed constitution does not jive with allowing the Council to have legislative abilities we should probably vote against it. I may change my vote to "no" on this for that reason.
Alistia, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
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