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Region: The Mystical Council
I order all Gyuamnan flags to be flown at half-staff in honor of the passing of my dear cat!
:-(
Malcholm, Terran Flux
I have to be honest, none of this matters whatsoever.
It doesn't matter what system we choose, it will always fall apart so long as people are not intrested in following the structure.
Officers seem to have no interest to even just copy/paste a poll. The delegate took a week to actually assign new ministers. And no one seems to follow up on the system.
So really, the problem is not what system we have, the problem is how do we make sure the the officers are maintaining whatever system is in place.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Ok, 60 odd messages, I was gone all weekend.
What was I mentioned for?
Malcholm
So. here's what I gathered, I got nominated by Alistia.
I know I got impeached from this position from last term, so I dunno why Alistia nominated me, but I'll take it, if Gyuam has not.
If he has, alright then.
Alistia
it's all u bb
Terran Flux
*flies flag at half-staff*
I'm sorry to hear that friend.
Gyuamno, New Bacon
The Bacon sends its condolences.
Gyuamno, Exotic Lemon
One moment, let me half-staff my flaggy thing
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
Thank you very much, he was 10 years old.
Gyuamno eats The Bacon. Thank you, we will never forget your hospitality!
Thank you mister elysium!
New Bacon, Terran Flux
There you go Mr. Gyuamno.
Terran Flux
lul nice nation type lemon x)
Terran Flux
i think youre missing the top half of your flag
Terran Flux
No. The top half is in the file right here.
Terran Flux
i must be tripping on LSD but your flag is transparent bro
It is.
My condolences as well
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Terran Flux
You'll need that in writing--it's too bad there's no founder, I'd bet they'd verify you on the spot.
It was :( it also assumed it would stay that way.
No, Forestavia's vote doesn't count simply because he is unverified. Forest must obey regional law, unless he is vouched by a government official and the official knows that the person can join the WA.
I’ll vouch for him on this occasion
Gyuamno, New Bacon
Along with Parakka, I will vouch for him
Gyuamno, New Bacon
Yeah he lost his privileges as a member of the government; even as founder.
Also we need you in the vote.
Alistia, New Bacon
In the poll for me it is a quiet abstention; you all do what you all got to do with this government system.
Seconds ago: The Immortal Elysium was admitted to the World Assembly.
Forestavia, Malcholm
We need culture minister.
They bring culture and news to tmc, extra activities etc.
It says no where that i cant nominate two people!!!
We need defense minister
We need culture
We need domestic
Foreign affairs has never really been used. We can just have a nation be a rep to a specific region (me to libertatem, elysium to twp, etc)
Gyuamno
*I spend quite a bit of time in TWP anyway*
I vouch for him
Terran Flux
Hey just a heads up I won't be on tommorow.
After that, should the small government win, should we do another set of 3 elections or just leave our current 2?
Mugwop- Domestic
Terran Flux- Defense
Empty seat for foreign affairs
Terran Flux
* Defence minister is basically border minister.
* Domestic minister will include cultural minister tasks
* Foreign Affairs will be responsible for embassies, forming close relationships with other regions etc.
Just a general outline and anything that's missing can be done by the delegate aka President or assigned where appropriate. The lunar council remains as is, though to allow for better protection of the region I was thinking all lunar councillors should be given border powers (thus stops the appointment of border guards)
Forestavia, Terran Flux
Parakka Northland we need your vote
Parakka Northland
Malcholm I'm in the WA.
Therefore, I can be citizen again.
Terran Flux
I AM verified. Malcholm and Lemon both know where my WA is at present.
Parakka Northland
Alright. Alright. Alright. If you guys really want me to bring Oak back, then I would like broad, undefined powers (which may or may not be used to help the Prime Minister address certain problems with our government structure). Those are my terms. Take it or leave it.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
I would also like to say Forest forget to mention along with his undefined powers, he is appointing me as Supreme Soviet of The ((Communist)) Mystical Council. I will have every power imaginable without any checks.
Accept his terms or else!
Forestavia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Uh.... Maybe you could overthrow the fire chief and take that job. But Supreme Soviet? I don't know about that.
You were talking in your sleep when you said it, don't take it away from me.
I will overthrow the Fire Chief and rename it the Supreme Soviet!
Terran Flux
Ok, I might throw you a bone but the Mystical Capitalizt Party is going to win. Communism will never take root here. Never!
Gyuamno
>communist defence minister
Gyuamno
Also, not a fan of these smaller governments. Means more work >_>
Edit: just took a look, we don't have many active WA nations....
Gyuamno, Alistia
I'm willing to see where this goes
You lost your privileges as Emperor when you started encouraging people to attack our own region.
I don't think we are intrested in giving you "undefined powers" again.
We have never had a culture minister that has actually ever done something. The idea was that it would be someone that does RP games in the region, but most people here who are intrested in RP do it in Solar Alliance.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
FB617
Postsmates promocode for $100 youre welcome
Terran Flux
Ouch.
True, I was terrible at culture minister.
Undefined powers?
job interview tmrw hehehehehehhe
>:)
Terran Flux
Ignore forest on that.
Gyuamno are you verified?
Forestavia, you were not. Parakka Northland and Terran Flux vouched for you. Now you are confirmed.
Tumetu-Iin Noyan you need to be verified also.
I'm temp. moving my WA. Should be back tomorrow.
1 day 10 hours ago: Ififififif ceased to exist.
Again?
Malcholm
i seceded from the TMC, i dont care about verification smarification!
Malcholm
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The TMC?
what a moron that gyuamno guy is
Terran Flux
And now I'm wondering where that bracket came from...odd.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
Tumetu-Iin Noyan welcome back! I hate to be so formal off the bat, but you're granted 7 days of temporary citizenship--meaning that your free to vote in elections polls, etc. Refer to the Citizenship Bill (which can be found linked in my Citizen Registry pinned on the WFE) to find ways to get yourself verified.
Let me log in before you post about it a second time :PI was going to make the argument that the law does not obligate me to verify you based on knowledge alone, but it seems it does. We do have this whole "you failed to uphold the terms of your sentence" thing coming out soon, so get in your votes while you can.
Incorrect, Parakka and Terran cannot provide any sort of verification/confirmation. Since Oakplumington is CTE'd,that responsibility falls onto only the "Judicial President and Delegate," as the law states. Though I would like to see that expanded to include the Prime Minister.
Side note: Exotic Lemon, are you able to verify Alistia?
Forestavia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
So you guys are planning a raid on the region?!
That is total horse crap.
Many of our culture ministers have done great things, bringing activity and such to the region, the news and old daily quote/song, etc.
It gives us something to do besides argue, we need culture minister to keep us all sane.
Terran Flux
It is a sad day.
The government system me and au912 made that has held us up for a year is now being corrupted and ruined by those wanting to slash the government for no apparent reason, when we are already in a crisis.
Why you guys just like to slash the government just for the kick of it I will never understand.
Especially when we have more important things to worry about like Oakplumington being CTE'd.
On that topic, it is clear that Forestavia has no interest in being this regions founder, and only wants to play stupid games in stead of actually making our region better or stable.
Malcholm, Terran Flux
But ((dead founder == more activity == region better) && (more WA == more stable)), right? :-)
Alistia
Ah I didn't see that clause in the citizenship bill good job. Forestavia your vote is invalid. Sorry. No other officer can verify anyone until oak comes back with the exception of the delegate and judicial President.
Alistia, Malcholm
The regional statutes need to be a bit more organized as they are all over the place.
Malcholm
Really? I can't vote even though two high ranking officials in government know where my WA is. I'm sorry but am I not the one who recently created a poll that limited votes to only WA nations? But someone (can't remember who) deleted the poll. Why don't we just require WA nations to be the only nations allowed to vote no exceptions? It would be a lot easier than this verification stuff.
I cannot believe the corruption of our system! This is an outrage!
Gyuamno
This is exactly what I've been trying to say!!!!! FOR MONTHS!
Malcholm
Who needs a culture minister when we have a whole region of culture next door to us?
If we don't have simple and straightforward voting rules in 14 days, then I'll be declaring a state of emergency. One person verified me and Lunar Councillor New Bacon has stated that my vote doesn't count. Now we need to figure out whether my vote does or doesn't count and why before the 14 days. If it doesn't count, I need a reason. If my vote counts, I need a darn good reason as to why my vote counts. This election/citizenship/voting confusion has gone on for far too long. Things should not be this convoluted a year into the system that Alistia claims is working just fine.
Obviously Prime Minister Parakka was absolutely correct in proposing the suspension of elections in the first place. We need to come up with a system that allows fair and equal voting while protecting against election fraud. We clearly can't have elections if we don't have these protections in place.
Gyuamno
RETWEET!
Forestavia
Unless I’m mistaken temp citizens cannot vote, they are simply protected by our regional laws for 7 days.
We have Ministers that are not acting at their fullest potential, thus having a smaller government will mean more work for the few rather than few jobs for the many. However, my main reason for proposing the option to cut the government is that it was a way to address this election system mess.
Gyuamno
Forestavia Malcholm has already stated above that your vote counts - at least for now - so let’s all try and get along shell we?
Malcholm
It's not a matter of getting along. I'm trying to figure out what the heck is going on. One Judge tells me my vote counts and the next tells me that it doesn't. The situation is worse than I thought. I support your desire to suspend elections until we can figure out how we vote in this region. I thought this voting stuff was resolved months ago and I'm running out of patience.
Malcholm
It is in terms of the Citizenship bill.
Forestavia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=762848
Section 2. President Malcholm and Viceroy Lemon have me covered. My vote does count according to these rules.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
In the interest of consistency, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, be prepared to share {{the location of your}} WA with Delegate Lemon and/or President Malcholm otherwise your vote won't count.
Parakka Northland
Now I was done with this a long time ago. I read Malcholm's post and the law incorrectly.
Parakka Northland
Forestavia Question are you going to revive Oak?
Well Malcholm last poll ended in a "tie", but I'm not sure which votes count and which don't. Please take a look at the matter.
And he can't have just unlimited power. He gotta run for elected office if he wants to be part of the government.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Well if the poll has ended and people haven’t declared their WA status yet then their vote doesn’t count or at least that’s how I would interpret it
In addition I never said he could have unlimited power I just asked if he was going to revive oak.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
Not sure yet. I'm waiting to see how things play out.
Parakka Northland
This means that option 3 has won. Right?
Parakka Northland
I don't want unlimited power. I just want broad undefined powers which will be used in a limited way to help fix the situation. Our government is limping and we need to fix its leg. A leg divided against itself cannot stand!
Oh you better believe I will watch these votes closely regardless of who can and can't vouch.
just spent an hour interviewing with 4 people
mama mia!
Malcholm, Terran Flux
Great News! I'm bringing Oak back but I'm going to give myself some limited powers until we can get our region back on track. :)
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
sooo about supreme soviet...
Parakka Northland
We're trying to fix the current system, not turn it on its head. Maybe when the next revolution happens.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
All newspapers will have access to appearance (so that they can pin and unpin dispatches and post announcements on the WFE) and communications so that they can send mass telegrams if necessary.
Terran Flux
Border Guards have been dismissed. Lunar Councillors have been appointed to serve in lieu of the border guards. They have access to border security.
I am assuming that Barish is still on the court?
Parakka Northland
Since the Prime Minister's third options won. I would recommend doing a follow-up Yes, No, Abstain poll on the third option just to be sure that the region is for it. It was a pretty tight vote after all.
Malcholm, Terran Flux
I removed the anti-communist tag for you though because I care.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
im making a new newspaper, the Mystical Communist Chronicle!
appearance pls >:)
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
You need to make a separate puppet dedicated solely to news. Then I'll appoint you.
Terran Flux
this is my puppet account dedicated to news ;)
Terran Flux
At least alter your name and motto so that we know that you are operating as a news organization.
Terran Flux
appearance pls
im giving truxol access to this acc too
Oakplumington, Terran Flux
Yes, in fact
The Mystical Council News Agency
All puppet nations that have any office powers should change their nation's motto to the name of their main nation so it is known to whom they belong.
Also, as the position is not an elected postion, I move forward with the condition that each of the news puppets can have office powers, so long as the publish regional news content at least once a month.
Oakplumington
I should also add since no one ran for the postion in the candidacy poll, there are no candidates for the position of Minister of Culture. So we should just go with cancelling it all together.
Malcholm, Oakplumington, Parakka Northland
Wow...I got a vote.
*surprised*
Malcholm
Ok, make sure you publish news at least once per month. ;)
I like Mugwop's condition.
Terran Flux
I'm deciding whether to make it weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly! ;-)
Terran Flux
Hold on, why did the 3rd option win if the poll was tied 5-5?
Terran Flux
Agreed, the 3rd option is not chosen. It is a tie
Not by the time you take of one of the voters for not being verified before the poll closed.
Now that option 3 was chosen there are a few ways we can do it.
Reduce the government down to 3 ministers, One president (WA delegate) and Vice President (Founder). Each minister can either have specific tasks (defence, domestic affairs and foreign affairs) thus Option 1 or they can be a group of equals Option 2 If specific tasks are chosen then they would have powers necessary to fulfill that role. If equals then they would have all powers. As such the group would act as a Council.
Now if we go for option 2 we could have political parties with proportional reprentation thus simplifying the voting system rather a lot. In that event I would say that elections take place once a quarter with Lunar Council elections running monthly. Now some would ask why is the Founder Vice President, well I think as the Founder is evidently an important part of the region they should be able to participate in its government, but only at the direction of the of the government / president approval.
But if we go for option 1 then I would suggest we hold an election for position Every month. For example, January = Defence Minister, February = Domestic Affairs and so on. This way we could hold ministry elections at the beginning of the month in one week and Lunar Council elections at the end of the month again all in a week. Also by the end of the quarter, we should have a new government, in place.
As such Forestavia or Oakplumington if I’m not on at the completion of the poll can you please set it up. Or if there is no arguement then we can suspend the current poll as it well eventually be up for re-election anyway under the new system.
Forestavia
Who wasnt verified?
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