Post Archive
Region: The Mystical Council
As prime minister I will be looking at creating a set of rules to bring to discussion regarding political parties and proportional representation. To streame line this whole government election process.
Now I am tempted to cancel all the remaining elections, I understand Forestavia would support the move. However, I would like the opinions of the Lunar Council in terms of regional laws and if I took that action would I be breaking any or would I be subject to any criminal proceedings?
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Terran Flux, Exotic Lemon
bigg gubberment will never know where my wa is yee haw!
polls smolls am i right! i dont vote anyways cuz the choices suck!
Malcholm, Terran Flux
WE ARE THE SOVEREIGN CITIZENS OF GYUAMNO YEE YEEE
WE DONT NEED UR "TMC CITIZENSHIP"
Malcholm, Terran Flux
The bigger the government, the bigger the meme factories!
Gyuamno
im afraid this government doesnt support meme factories!
they are capitalist pigs oink oink who only line their pockets
Malcholm
You damn sure as hell would be breaking regional laws. We didn't vote on an election system just so someone can cancel them whenever they feel like it.
Forest is no longer part of the government and you have zero authority to make such action.
There is still election for the minister of foreign affairs and minister of culture.
Forestavia
Speaking of parties, can someone please send my links to any existing party distaches?
Of course there is the Peoples Solidarity Bloc, but are there any others?
Speaking of the Peoples Solidarity Bloc, Exotic Lemon you should update that dispatch with a new one.
I will update it probably Sunday. Mugwop, I am also going to have to agree with you. Parakka, I would hold off on your plan at least until elections are done
hey you trolls, you never voted on the next judicial council seat either!
INCOMPETENCE! SAD!
Malcholm, Terran Flux
this is why we have 2 many polls, no one knows what is going on anymore.
(besides me of course, since my IQ is 150)
Terran Flux
This is done. Illfated is the new judge. You were also nominated, but you refused to run. So Illfated won by default.
Until January no one needs to keep in mind when the elections are. Till then it is my responsibility, however the schedule I made is straightforward for anyone curious https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=743586
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
I never declined! therefore I was running!
Quote my refusal (you can't), you're putting words in my mouth!
Alistia nominated me and I "liked" his post! Therefore, I was running!
At no point was this "REFUSED"
once again corrupt capitalists pushing their agenda!
This region's polls are worse than Spain suppressing Catalonian polls! At least Catalonia had the opportunity to vote, unlike us. SAD!
Well here's you:
And I went through it again, the whole thing was actually about the Minister of Domestic Affairs postion, not JB. This is why nominations should be done in MC and not in TMC.
For the JB seat, Illfated was the only one nominated by both Lemon and Alistia, so the seat went to him by default.
Malcholm
We also voted on the regional flag, but that ultimately wasn’t respected as a vote. Which sets precedent for votes not to be legally binding unless it’s about legislation.
However, if it would be breaking regional law to stop the election process, espeshally as it’s over run. Then it should also be breaking regional law for the previous government to not have completed it by the start of the new government.
Anyway this is all by the by, as you are merely a Minister the same as me. Which is why I asked our legal experts in the form of the Lunar Council.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Alistia
Well you're goddamn right we voted on the flag.
Alistia made a hub-hub to have a revote on the flag, and we did and the flag was changed after the vote, and that vote better be damn respected. Thanks for reminding me.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
Yeah, not running for DOMESTIC AFFAIRS? How is that Judicial Council??????
Alistia nominated me for judicial councilor lul what are u talking about m8
Now im confused kek.
I even thought you denied the nomination for it, but i guess you didnt. hmm.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
Terran nominated me for domestic affairs - I said I am not running
Alistia nominated me for judicial - I never refused!
unjust!
ur IQ isn't 150 like mine
Terran Flux
Hmmmm fair point, fair point. But don't blame me for that mess, I didn't put the nomination poll here.
Okay, well if you accept the nomination, there's a good argument for having an election poll on that. So do you accept the nomination as a member of the Judicial Council?
I also think I should introduce and amendment that henceforth a nomination is not valid unless accepted by the recipient.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
i forgive you mugwop
and no i don't want to add to the confusion so illfated can have it.
I didn't clearly say i was running so it's my fault too. (although I dont think illfated said anything about accepting either)
your amendment i would support!
Terran Flux
I am strongly against this amendment.
People have messed up our elections for a while by not putting active candidates in because they 'didn't accept' but as I have said, and will always say, unless a candidate specifically says they don't accept the nomination, it should be assumed they do.
Past interference by trying to do this has thrown candidates out of races when they wanted to run.
Gyuamno, Terran Flux
it's good to hear both sides!
I'm somewhere in the middle.
If they are regularly active (RMB posting) then I think it should be assumed they are running if they are nominated because they obviously saw the message.
However, if someone nominates an inactive nation (one who is on every few days or not at all), then they should acknowledge they are running or not.
idk anymore.
Alistia, Terran Flux
My personal recommenation by the
Well think about it, if they are not active enough to just say yes, then they're probably not gonna be active enough to do their responsibilities. So why force it?
- Citizenship is granted to nations who have identified the location of their WA membership to the JB pres, Oak, and/or the Del. Your WA membership had not been on your nation here or the alternative provided to us in excess of a week, so I dropped your status. (If I'm mistaken, feel free to call me out.)
- No need to make a new switcher set, let me clarify my proposal: you only need provide the name of one or two of your switchers if they all have an identifier--i.e., mine are all Gym Leader or Elite Fours. In your case, you could provide a list of nations that you usually use for updating. That list would remain confidential, I'm no heathen :P
- Likewise. A solution could be that we both also seek out verification from the Del, JCP, and/or Oak, but the burden incurred by maintaining that goes without saying. Alternative solutions are welcome, so long as they adhere to the Citizenship Bill.
Forestavia, Alistia
This, basically. We've already streamlined it as much as it can be in it's current state, the next best solution would be putting up a tech thread request to implement multi-poll functionality for regions.
Forestavia, Alistia, Parakka Northland
Anndddd Oak is gone again. Leaving a record 2 regions founderless for the price of just one CTE.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Alistia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Solar Administrator
He's very efficient! You can't help but admire it, good work Forestavia! :-)
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
We can make a single nomination poll, but because of the logistics you can only run for 1 position, and if you don't win, you can't run for another postion.
And due to that, it'd create a vacuum of unfilled positions and put people in positions they really shouldn't have run for and won. The current method helps fill the holes a lot more efficiently.
Alistia
This would have been solved if you can create a poll and pick multiple options.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Exotic Lemon please reactivate the border guards
Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Oak is required to log on once every 59 days. The court order can be changed by the new judges but does not help. I don't even look to change the docket.
I have no other words...I'm done and tired of texting/typing to repeat offenders.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Communism rules, capitalism drools!
Malcholm, Terran Flux
Gladly.
I am appointing temporary guards right now, we can make it more official later (Terran Flux is defense minister, he can nominate someone or something similiar).
New Bacon- You have served tmc longer than most of us have been a nation. You have been known to be trustworthy, reliable, and fair. I nominate you not only for your influence, but also for your experience as a raider, defender, and strategist. I trust you will protect tmc.
Barishmacht- You have served as a grand duke, culture minister, and judicial member. You are known to be just and fair, and you tend to be on at update times. Although you do not have an overwhelmingly distinguished raiding career, you have plenty of experience and I trust you will protect tmc.
Terran Flux, Malcholm, Alistia, Parakka Northland- you guys should also have border control just in case.
Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux
"Thems fightin words"
In all seriousness, forest actually needs to revive oak. He was ordered to by the court. We can't keep draining our resources and keeping our WAs here just to try to protect our home region. Most of us aren't raiders or defenders, so we shouldn't be forced to keep our WAs here. I appreciate the endorsements, but you guys should be endorsing me because you want to, not because you fear that the region will be taken over unless you endorse the current delegate, whoever that is.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Terran Flux
there's a concert like 300 ft away from my apartment
i just am trying to watch netflix pls
that bass 2 strong
Malcholm, Terran Flux
Maybe is stronk communist revolution music yes?
Gyuamno
Also, now I have two different special issues that I could use to resign from the WA.
On the contrary, by forcing more WA participation, it prevents TMC from becoming a solely military-based region. And thus guarantees some level of peace in our world. For example, our citizens will be less likely to go on military missions willy nilly. Instead they will be more selective. This also serves the interest of protecting the homeland's culture and makes us stronger.
Plus I still have 30 days before I have to log in again.
AND... nations should also have the right to commit suicide without government interference. Ahem. Those rights aren't there for decoration. The Lunar Council should not have the authority to force players to run their nations a certain way. They would have been better off banning me but they didn't because this too would have produced unintended consequences.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland
Booooooooooooo!
Gyuamno
Forest, how would you feel if we slowly turned TMC into a Communist State until you revived Oak permanently?
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
I am afraid I have to disagree. You can't just circumvent the court, even though not everyone agrees with their decision.
I do support this. But I also see Malcholm came out with an improved voting system since the last time we talked. This new voting system will solve a lot of the problems I think. In fact, we may not have to cancel any elections at all if these new voting guidelines work.
Even though the court itself moved to make the first of what could become many infringements on our rights?
Gyuamno
Don't involve me in this. I didn't agree with their decision either. But I have to respect it.
I just don't understand why you won't revive oak
That would be a clever way to force my hand. I'm not sure how much communism I could take....
Exotic Lemon
Because of the three reasons I gave above.
Exotic Lemon
The prime minister doesn't have the power to cancel elections or dismiss fellow ministers btw
Terran Flux
Mister President, I still have 30 days. I - Ahhhhh! AHHHHHHHHHH! No. NOOOOO! Not the spiked CELERY WHIP- Mercy Please.
Gyuamno, Malcholm
Throw him in a pit of lettuce and celery. Make sure the volcano erupts close enough to cover his pit in an ocean of lava.
Forestavia, Terran Flux
Minister of Foreign Affairs Candidacy Poll is now closed https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=102275
Viva Italia nominated to run, and Alistia voted for someone else to run but in typical Alistia fashion, he didn't share the name. So we wait on him.
There will be a 24 hour period after poll closure to declare Viva the default winner. In the meantime there is a poll for the minister of culture https://www.nationstates.net/region=mystical_council#poll
Forestavia, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
oh how i wish this was so.
i was taking a nap and was awoken by more music. this is a multi day thing :-(
Malcholm, Terran Flux
I will be resigning my WA status. I'll probably return it to Parakka.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Malcholm
So given forest allowing oak to cte once again, what punishment is to be given to him?
Terran Flux
Time to execute! I mean, time for celery!!!
Forestavia, Malcholm, Terran Flux
didnt break any law lul lets punish forest!
pitchforks out!
Forestavia
GYUAMNO IS SECEDING FROM THE MYSTICAL COUNCIL.
Your corrupt ways of governing other nations' activity is a violation of our sovereignty. When will this power abuse stop!?
We will not bend to the power-hungry Lunar Council and their gross misjudgments! We are seceding before you come for Gyuamno next!
Forestavia, Alistia, Terran Flux
[B]Read all about it from [URL=https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=818815]The NewsStand[/URL]! New issues of The ASCOF Times, and The Force Flyer.
Well, given that it's my second offense....
Shouldn't we be talking about something more pertinent? Like working out the kinks in this blasted legislature-less ministry-style government which can do anything that it wants from abolishing flags that were voted on to creating entirely new government positions like Fire Chief. We've got bigger problems in this region than nations CTE.
Gyuamno
My vote counts again! President [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] and Viceroy [nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation] can vouch for me.
Terran Flux
I will vouch for you.
Forestavia, Terran Flux
I mean. Parakka is the first Prime Minister under this system to suggest a suspension of elections in this region. We've been having elections continuously since I think 2015. So, um. Don't you guys think that's a big deal? Don't you think it might be worth looking into what problems there are with our current system? I wrote a new emergency constitution a couple of weeks ago. I'm ready. I'm just not active enough right now. Connect the dots! Something's really wrong with the system. If we don't do something about it now there is going to be another revolution here. Proportional representation under the Prime Minister's plan. What do you think about it?
So I'm just saying there are bigger problems facing us than what nation someone chooses to operate under. I think we are seeing the ministry-style government collapse very slowly before our eyes.
Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Terran and I will lead the revolution on behalf of the proletariat!
Too many elections, too many polls, too much government inactivity, no accountability, abusive Lunar Council, too many governments positions. We need change!
Idle hands are the Devil's playground!
The Mystical Council is an oligarchy! It is the same handful of people being elected, they just swap positions! SAD! CHANGE NOW!
We need term limits to prevent this!
Terran Flux
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=forestavia/detail=factbook/id=683532 Is the link
Hopefully we won't need a revolution. The reason why it seems like they swap is because we have just enough active nations to fill every slot.
Terran Flux
That emergency constitution is going to be a last resort kind of thing. We should try to fix the current system first before throwing it out completely. We have a brand new government elected. Let's see what they do.
There's always a first time for everything.
Parakka Northland
Shrink the gubberment!
Forestavia, Malcholm, Terran Flux
That is a tantalizing proposal. Might work.
Gyuamno
I have a few ideas, I may write my own proposal.
Forestavia
i nominate Immortal Elysium and Gyuamno (For Foreign Affairs)
Terran Flux
Also the 'oak log in every 59 days' thing was flawed, because it was assuming oak was under vacation mode. Which it wasn't.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Malcholm, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I would think he would. He doesnt have any other use to be quite frank.
Gyuamno
Pick one, but if you don't want to pick:
The Immortal Elysium/Gyuamno, whichever of you is the first the accept the nomination for Minister of Foreign Affairs will get the running ticket.
Terran Flux
Communist Uprising 2k17, contact papi Gyuamno or daddy Terran Flux (me) for details on how you, yes you! Could help overthrow everything and install a communist 1 party state
Gyuamno, Forestavia
Maybe political parties would be good.
Forestavia, Terran Flux, Parakka Northland
Poll Up
Options are as follows encase you cant read them:-
1- Leave the current system in place
2- Bring back Political Parties & have proportional representation
3 - Lower the ministers down to 3 (border, domestic & foreign affairs) with the delegate acting as President
4 - Scrap both the Government and Lunar Council and rely solely on the delegate / founder
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
I think a government overhaul is needed, one that both shrinks the government and one that has the option of political parties
Parakka Northland
Parakka you made the poll, but where do you stand? What do you think needs to be done?
Im torn between two options that being 2 and 3. Both have their merits, and would solve the Government issues we currently have.
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
I removed the check mark so that I could contemplate the empty space within.
I like 3 a touch better than 2. Both of them would be an improvement, I think.
Parakka Northland
I like 3 and 2.
We can still do 3 and have political parties happen naturally.
For 3 I think the office names should be Internal Affairs, External Affairs, and Defense.
Alistia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Border minister sounds dumb. We should keep that as defense. But yeah I was thinking we might need to scrap the culture minister.
Parakka Northland
Well due to past inadequacies with previous poll makers, we will need to reset the polling cycle for the JB. So I have you down for an upcoming JB poll, for a term beginning Nov 1.
Unless you want to accept the nomination for foreign minister. Alistia nominated 2 people, which you can't do. So I figured whichever is the first to accept, The Immortal Elysium or Gyuamno, will get the running ticket.
ignore that, my nationstates has been messing up lately it randomly quotes old messages lol. it happens to Lemon too, he randomly quotes my stuff
Yeah same for me
Gyuamno
Alright well if neither of you two accept then Alistia's nomination will be void.
Strange that Alistia would nominate Elysium (no offense) but you did get impeached from the same position he nominated you for... LOL
Thats Alistia for you. He has his own way of doing (and not doing) things
Gyuamno, Alistia
maybe it's all a part of the master plan!
*puts on tinfoil hat*
Exotic Lemon
See why this be quoted?
*puts on a tin-foil hat and begins peeling a red lemon*
That's the one that always gets quoted lmao, it happened in the bear country too. It's a reminder that something ominous looms. *evil laugh*
Or... you just like quoting me ;-)
You madman with your red lemons, you'll be burned at the stake!
Bet.
I believe the lunar council will support my red lemons and celery.
red is communist so i support your lemons!
i posted in the Warzone, sorry about the time gone!
I don't think getting rid of the current system is the answer, but we do need to fix it.
Forestavia, Malcholm
Names of the remaining positions if 3 is chosen can be voted on, I just choose 3 names that best indicated the Ministry positions and responsibilities. I also agree that in any event political parties will likely make a come back which I think wouldn't be a bad thing.
Forestavia
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.