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Good God... this bureaucracy though...

I don't mean that negatively, you guys are the most democratic region I've come across. It's just that now I understand why nothing ever gets done in the government.... lol

New Bacon, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers

Yeah... we want to keep the democracy for sure, but we can't let inactive nations hold us back either. The 3/5 requirement is good for the Lunar Council because they will be the most active members, generally. But Sentagon... That's another story. It's sort of a catch-all for every other resident. We're still a newish region. We're learning and fixing things as we go along. I particularly have a knack for reinventing the wheel.

Good news everyone. The Anticom Alliance Act has also passed. :)

Malcholm

In accordance with the law, I have tagged the region "capitalist" and have also appointed West Castlemaine to his position. (We'll probably get a reaction out of The Red Fleet in the near future.)

West Castlemaine

Section 13 has been updated.

I have also updated Section 9 in line with the Section 13 changes.

9. The Delegate, President of the Lunar Council, >>President of Sentagon<<, and Founder shall be the only nations to hold authority over regional border control.

Well, I've been so busy with The Union that I missed all the update times this weekend for missions. I'll be getting in touch with The Regional Guard, Anticom, and The Wolf Syndicate in about a week once I become available again.

Oakplumington wrote:In accordance with the law, I have tagged the region "capitalist" and have also appointed West Castlemaine to his position. (We'll probably get a reaction out of The Red Fleet in the near future.)

Heehee I can suppress posts now :D

Better watch out y'all :D

jk

Oakplumington

West Castlemaine wrote:Heehee I can suppress posts now :D

Better watch out y'all :D

jk

Hehe, Check this out: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=oakplumington/detail=factbook/id=529229

When this poll has enough support, I'll record the votes, close it, and move on to the next one. This will be a slightly more efficient system.

This is what's on my agenda:

Section 10

Section 8

The Suppress a Post Game

New Bacon, Order Of Hospitallers

Forestavia wrote:After section 32, we should deal with this:

Section 10

10. Constitutional amendments or alterations must be passed by at least six-tenths of Sentagon, by at least three-fifths of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate.

Replace with

10. Constitutional amendments or alterations must be passed by at least six-tenths of active Sentagon members, by at least three-fifths of the Lunar Council, and with the approval of the Delegate.

I think if 2/3 of the council approves and at least 1/3 of the general population approves?

New Bacon

West Castlemaine wrote:Btw, I love the name of newspaper and the motto, it's bloody amazing!

Thanks, and here's a article https://nationstatesplusplus.net/newspaper?id=4164

New Bacon, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

* CALLS A EMERGENCY MEETING OF THE COUNCIL *

* Vice president runs to the board *

A COUP A COUP A COUP!

Unknown members of THIS REGION are planning a blockade on members of the Anarcho Capitalist party AS WE SPEAK that would disrupt trade and terribly cripple our economy's!

I propose we establish free trade in the region, with no taxes or blockades on trade!

New Bacon, Oakplumington, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, West Castlemaine

We got big so now it's time to get into some REAL politics.

Malcholm, Oakplumington, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, West Castlemaine

New Bacon wrote:We got big so now it's time to get into some REAL politics.

The Delegate shall have the power to appoint cabinet members. No cabinet member may have authority over border control. Before being appointed, every cabinet member or minister must be approved by three separate nations including: one of the Presidents of The Mystical Council, a Lunar Council member, and a World Assembly member of Sentagon. The Founder will have the authority to dismiss any cabinet member who has not been approved according to the above manner.

Complete horse crap ^

Any cabinet member or minister circumventing the legislative process may be impeached by a simple majority of the Lunar Council.

Very good ^

New Bacon, Malcholm, Oakplumington, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:* CALLS A EMERGENCY MEETING OF THE COUNCIL *

* Vice president runs to the board *

A COUP A COUP A COUP!

Unknown members of THIS REGION are planning a blockade on members of the Anarcho Capitalist party AS WE SPEAK that would disrupt trade and terribly cripple our economy's!

I propose we establish free trade in the region, with no taxes or blockades on trade!

How much approval do you need to add the tag?

New Bacon

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:The Delegate shall have the power to appoint cabinet members. No cabinet member may have authority over border control. Before being appointed, every cabinet member or minister must be approved by three separate nations including: one of the Presidents of The Mystical Council, a Lunar Council member, and a World Assembly member of Sentagon. The Founder will have the authority to dismiss any cabinet member who has not been approved according to the above manner.

Complete horse crap ^

Any cabinet member or minister circumventing the legislative process may be impeached by a simple majority of the Lunar Council.

Very good ^

Yessss!

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:How much approval do you need to add the tag?

Any nation with appearance authority can adjust tags as long as the tags themselves don't run counter to regional law.

New Bacon, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Post self-deleted by Tumetu-Iin Noyan.

I dont see why a wa member not on the council would have to approve it.

What place does the world assembly's corrupt have to politics do here?!

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers

My nation has adopted a new flag, what do you all think of it?

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Order Of Hospitallers

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:My nation has adopted a new flag, what do you all think of it?

It looks good

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Order Of Hospitallers

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:I dont see why a wa member not on the council would have to approve it.

What place does the world assembly's corrupt have to politics do here?!

Really nothing.

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Order Of Hospitallers

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:My nation has adopted a new flag, what do you all think of it?

i like the colors (:

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Oakplumington wrote:When this poll has enough support, I'll record the votes, close it, and move on to the next one. This will be a slightly more efficient system.

This is what's on my agenda:

Section 10

Section 8

The Suppress a Post Game

if it gets enough support (:

I agree with clause 3 of the proposed legislation

" Any cabinet member or minister circumventing the legislative process may be impeached by a simple majority of the Lunar Council "

NATIONSTATES HAS UPDATED OMG ITS AWESOME

though ns++ is broken

New Bacon, Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

If you vote yes on this law the founder will become a fascist dictator!!!

Oakplumington

Uh oh, attempt #2 isn't doing so well. Just to recap. To my understanding, the current 32 gives the delegate too much power, attempt number one was a confusing mess, and attempt number two limits the Delegate too much?

Fascism Vector wrote:If you vote yes on this law the founder will become a fascist dictator!!!

Oh no, their on to me! ;)

*hides under rock*

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:I agree with clause 3 of the proposed legislation

" Any cabinet member or minister circumventing the legislative process may be impeached by a simple majority of the Lunar Council "

I might be able to build a third attempt. But I think after failing to come up with something pleasing in the original 32, the 1st attempt, and the 2nd attempt, I think I might give someone else a whack at section 32. Whoever proposes the next section 32 (attempt #3) has to include clause 3, above. That's the only condition. Be brilliant my friends!

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Ooooh. Look at the changes.... me gusta mucho.

I'll give Sentagon another day to come out and vote. If things continue to look this dismal by tomorrow then I'll take down the poll.

Yes: Forestavia (1) and Malcholm (LC).

No: New Bacon (2), Vaspassia (LC), Frankiestine (1), Tumetu-iin Noyan (LC), Order of Hospitallers (D), Fascism Vector (1), and Anarcho

Capitalist Party (1).

Sentagon (New - For vs Against format, simple majority of either members or votes preferred but not required): 1 - 5 [Defeat pending]

The Lunar Council: 1 - 2 [Lacking support for passage or defeat]

The Delegate: Vetoed

I have to invade on my main so im resigning from the wa for a bit

what is the current section 32?

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:what is the current section 32?

I can't directly quote it since I'm on my iPad, but the gist of it is that the Delegate can currently appoint whoever they want as a Cabinet member with no restrictions whatsoever. It's widely seen as tyrannical due to the fact that the Cabinet members can overstep the Lunar Council and Sentagon on all levels except what is stated in the constitution.

Malcholm wrote:I can't directly quote it since I'm on my iPad, but the gist of it is that the Delegate can currently appoint whoever they want as a Cabinet member with no restrictions whatsoever. It's widely seen as tyrannical due to the fact that the Cabinet members can overstep the Lunar Council and Sentagon on all levels except what is stated in the constitution.

oh didn't know i could do that :D

Malcholm wrote:I can't directly quote it since I'm on my iPad, but the gist of it is that the Delegate can currently appoint whoever they want as a Cabinet member with no restrictions whatsoever. It's widely seen as tyrannical due to the fact that the Cabinet members can overstep the Lunar Council and Sentagon on all levels except what is stated in the constitution.

so if i did that their would be no penalty?

Malcholm wrote:I can't directly quote it since I'm on my iPad, but the gist of it is that the Delegate can currently appoint whoever they want as a Cabinet member with no restrictions whatsoever. It's widely seen as tyrannical due to the fact that the Cabinet members can overstep the Lunar Council and Sentagon on all levels except what is stated in the constitution.

but their not allowed to have border control right?

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:so if i did that their would be no penalty?

The Constitution wrote:32. The Delegate may create a cabinet of members (or ministers) by appointing nations to various positions. The cabinet may consist of as many nations and positions as the Delegate wishes. The Delegate has the authority to decide which nations to bestow these powers upon and what powers each cabinet official will have.

To answer your question: supposedly, but..

The Constitution wrote:33. If a nation abuses their power, then the Delegate (or Founder) may strip their powers from them. The powers taken must correspond directly to and not exceed the violation. A nation may appeal their case to the Lunar Council if they feel that the Delegate (or Founder) acted unfairly.

If Oakplumington sees that any regional official is grossly abusing their power, he can step in.

Also, your cabinet can currently have border control; something that's currently reserved for you, me, Oak, and New Bacon. I'd heavily advise against it, but do as you will.

Order Of Hospitallers

Malcholm wrote:To answer your question: supposedly, but..

If Oakplumington sees that any regional official is grossly abusing their power, he can step in.

Also, your cabinet can currently have border control; something that's currently reserved for you, me, Oak, and New Bacon. I'd heavily advise against it, but do as you will.

Alright, i support the people and the majority of them are against border control for cabinet members.

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:but their not allowed to have border control right?

That's correct. The constitution restricts border control to the founder, delegate, and presidents.

But you can appoint anyone you want with any powers you want beyond that one limitation. At least for now. Section 32 is most definitely the most controversial part of our constitution.

Current Section 32:

32. The Delegate may create a cabinet of members (or ministers) by appointing nations to various positions. The cabinet may consist of as many nations and positions as the Delegate wishes. The Delegate has the authority to decide which nations to bestow these powers upon and what powers each cabinet official will have.

Attempt to repeal and replace #1:

Option #1:

What if we add the following to the end of section 32: "If the Delegate is suspected of abusing his/her power by using appointments to overrule the will of the region, then any single nation on the Lunar Council may issue a declaration accusing the Delegate of executive overreach. This puts into effect the following process. Any future cabinet member that particular Delegate wishes to appoint must be approved by a simple majority of the Lunar Council. Any cabinet members already appointed may be removed by a simple majority of the Lunar Council. If the Lunar Council is itself abusing its power, then Sentagon may step in and restore the Delegate's authority with a simple majority vote."

Attempt to repeal and replace #2:

32. The Delegate shall have the power to appoint cabinet members. No cabinet member may have authority over border control. Before being appointed, every cabinet member or minister must be approved by three separate nations including: one of the Presidents of The Mystical Council, a Lunar Council member, and a World Assembly member of Sentagon. The Founder will have the authority to dismiss any cabinet member who has not been approved according to the above manner. Any cabinet member or minister circumventing the legislative process may be impeached by a simple majority of the Lunar Council.

#3???

We've got to keep this since everyone likes it>>> "Any cabinet member or minister circumventing the legislative process may be impeached by a simple majority of the Lunar Council."

Order Of Hospitallers

I'm going to close the poll. It has been defeated by three solid branches of government.

Yes: Forestavia (1) and Malcholm (LC).

No: New Bacon (2), Jegerkompaniet (LC), AU912 Mystical Council Consulate (LC), Vaspassia (LC), Inca Tribals (1), Frankiestine (1), Trebisond (1), Tumetu-iin Noyan (LC), Communista Doctrine (1), Order of Hospitallers (D), Fascism Vector (1), Lunar Apoclypse (1), Central Timor (2), and Anarcho Capitalist Party (1).

Sentagon: 1 vote in favor - 11 against [DEFEATED]

The Lunar Council: 1 vote in favor - 4 votes against [DEFEATED]

The Delegate (Order of Hospitallers): [VETOED]

Forestavia wrote:I'm going to close the poll. It has been defeated by three solid branches of government.

Sentagon: 1 vote in favor - 11 against [DEFEATED]

The Lunar Council: 1 vote in favor - 4 votes against [DEFEATED]

The Delegate (Order of Hospitallers): [VETOED]

Fascinating! And this was right after it nearly passed the polls when it was ran in Sentagon.

Forestavia wrote:The constitution restricts border control to the founder, delegate, and presidents.

My bad, I got that mixed up while I was skimming it earlier. [nation=short]order_of_hospitallers[/nation], Forestavia is right.

Order Of Hospitallers

The Constitution wrote:21. In matters of justice, both IC and OOC, the Lunar Council shall collectively serve as a supreme court. First each nation should investigate, gathering all necessary evidence from all parties involved. Next, judgment should be issued as far as guilt, innocence, constitutionality, and adherence to regional law is concerned. If a sentence is either required or fitting to the situation, then the Lunar Council, in all their wisdom, should strive for a fair and just sentence. If the Lunar Council is itself involved, then a regional court may be formed consisting of the Delegate, the Founder, the President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon.

OAK! I NEED AN OPINION!

Can Hospitallers circumvent the Lunar Council's Supreme Court by appointing their own Judge and Justices? That doesn't seem quite right in my opinion, but I may be thinking too narrowly here. I'd also like to note that The Lunar High Admiral has yet to appeal to the Lunar Council (as far as I can tell), thus our court case should be entirely conviction of the documented crimes. Deciding judgement comes after we decide whether we wish to pursue conviction.

AU912 has formally conducted their investigation, however none of the rest of the Council has followed suit. I'll be doing so soon, but all its my opinion that we already have all of the evidence we need to convict The Lunar Hugh Admiral of their crimes.

I've placed my vote as 'No punishment.' due to the fact that we haven't given The Lunar High Admiral a chance to appeal to the Lunar Council since their re-arrival to the region. I can't soundly say that the actions Hospitallers and his appointed Justices have strove for in this matter would be considered a 'fair or just sentence'.

On that note, the Lunar Council be conducting the proper investigation and it's following court hearing very soon. [nation=short]the_Lunar_high_Admiral[/nation], now is your chance to prepare your defense.

Forestavia

I like the choices for the new poll.

Inca Tribals, Order Of Hospitallers, Fascism Vector

Malcholm wrote:I've placed my vote as 'No punishment.' due to the fact that we haven't given The Lunar High Admiral a chance to appeal to the Lunar Council since their re-arrival to the region. I can't soundly say that the actions Hospitallers and his appointed Justices have strove for in this matter would be considered a 'fair or just sentence'.

On that note, the Lunar Council be conducting the proper investigation and it's following court hearing very soon. [nation=short]the_Lunar_high_Admiral[/nation], now is your chance to prepare your defense.

i do not know what the justices choice will be, but, although the justices opinion (based of the constituion) will have weight in the decision, it is still decided by the votes of the people.

He also has 2+ days to make a official defence

Malcholm

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:i do not know what the justices choice will be, but, although the justices opinion (based of the constituion) will have weight in the decision, it is still decided by the votes of the people.

He also has 2+ days to make a official defence

I suppose. I've got quite a few more options I'd've added, but you beat me to it.

Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Order Of Hospitallers

Everloyal wrote:I like the choices for the new poll.

I agree.

Malcholm wrote:OAK! I NEED AN OPINION!

Can Hospitallers circumvent the Lunar Council's Supreme Court by appointing their own Judge and Justices? That doesn't seem quite right in my opinion, but I may be thinking too narrowly here. I'd also like to note that The Lunar High Admiral has yet to appeal to the Lunar Council (as far as I can tell), thus our court case should be entirely conviction of the documented crimes. Deciding judgement comes after we decide whether we wish to pursue conviction.

AU912 has formally conducted their investigation, however none of the rest of the Council has followed suit. I'll be doing so soon, but all its my opinion that we already have all of the evidence we need to convict The Lunar Hugh Admiral of their crimes.

well all the judges have voted it seems.

can you please eject http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_communist_republic_of_the_west_24

Inca Tribals wrote:can you please eject http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_communist_republic_of_the_west_24

i see he was a member of the invader squad, but i doubt the other council members would approve.

Malcholm wrote:OAK! I NEED AN OPINION!

Can Hospitallers circumvent the Lunar Council's Supreme Court by appointing their own Judge and Justices? That doesn't seem quite right in my opinion, but I may be thinking too narrowly here. I'd also like to note that The Lunar High Admiral has yet to appeal to the Lunar Council (as far as I can tell), thus our court case should be entirely conviction of the documented crimes. Deciding judgement comes after we decide whether we wish to pursue conviction.

AU912 has formally conducted their investigation, however none of the rest of the Council has followed suit. I'll be doing so soon, but all its my opinion that we already have all of the evidence we need to convict The Lunar Hugh Admiral of their crimes.

I think that this poll could be taken as mob justice and definitely runs counter to section 21. However, that being said, Hospitallers has the freedom to run a public opinion poll on the matter. But only the Lunar Council can decide in matters of justice.

AU912 has provided some fair analysis:

Au912 Mystical Council Consulate wrote:President Beldan took the stand.

"I have asked my nation's Attorney General to study the case against The Lunar High Admiral as summarized by The Outpost Of Oakplumington.

It is our understanding that The Lunar High Admiral stands trial for the following alleged unconstitutional offenses:

- The ejection and banning of two native nations, New England Bastards and Forestavia.

- The banning of five nations native to embassy regions of The Mystical Council.

- The removal of all administrative authority for the entire Lunar Council.

In addition, we note that, immediately following these actions, The Lunar High Admiral also:

- appointed offices who themselves stand accused of unconstitutionally and grossly abusing their authority.

- attempted to replace the entire constitution of The Mystical Council with a new constitution without consent of the founder or natives.

Our understanding is that The Lunar High Admiral is not on trial for these last two actions, only the first three, but it is also our belief that these additional acts provide evidence of intent."

Malcholm says no action based on lack of appeal. And Tumetu-iin Noyan says bar The Lunar High Admiral from the Lunar Council.

Jegerkompaniet and Vaspassia have not given an opinion yet.

It's really up to the Lunar Council how they want to do this. If the Council chooses, they may base a ruling off of the poll thus democratizing the justice process. But public opinion polls also run the risk of mob justice. It's up to you five how you want to deal with the trial. There should be a general consensus that at least three of you can stand behind. You five can choose to make it closed-door or open-door.

Maybe I can take care of the appeal dilemma....

I [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], hereby wish to sue The Lunar High Admiral for damages. Specifically constitutional damages to the region. I appeal my case to the Lunar Council. Please take action against this power hungry dictator.

I submit the following from my dispatch "Criminals of February" originally taken from the activity page as evidence:

"1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Protectorate of Anti Communist Alliance from The Mystical Council.

•1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The CL Secretary of State of Dark Commander from The Mystical Council.

•1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Free Land of The Capitalist Manifesto from The Mystical Council.

•1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Atlas Republic of Castlemaine from The Mystical Council.

1 day 10 hours ago: The Armed Republic of New England Bastards was ejected and banned from The Mystical Council by The Lunar High Admiral.

‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎1‎:‎45‎:‎05‎ ‎AM: The Theocratic Republic of Forestavia was ejected and banned from The Mystical Council by The Lunar High Admiral.

1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The United Provinces of New Bacon as President of Sentagon of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Nomadic Peoples of ChingisLan as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Republic of Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Oppressed Peoples of Vaspassia as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Protectorate of AU912 Mystical Council Consulate as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Vereint Reich of Malcholm as Lunar Council President of The Mystical Council.

‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎1‎:‎45‎:‎34‎ ‎AM: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Protectorate of Forestavia One from The Mystical Council."

We need justice for all those who were ejected or banned without a chance to defend themselves!

Malcholm, Inca Tribals, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:i see he was a member of the invader squad, but i doubt the other council members would approve.

If you do eject, make sure that's all you do. A ban would land you in the hot seat. But you've got to be prepared. Because West 24 to my knowledge hasn't done anything. So if West 24 decides to appeal to the Lunar Council and they say that they are innocent. Fair warning - It could backfire.

Plus the Lunar Council has their hands full right now with The Lunar High Admiral. So you might not score many points if you create more even more work for them.

I would definitely build up a case against West 24 before any action is taken.

Malcholm, Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Inca Tribals wrote:can you please eject http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_communist_republic_of_the_west_24

On what terms? They may be a raider, but that doesn't automatically discount them. Work with [nation=short]order_of_Hospitallers[/nation] to build a case if you'd like, but we can't eject them without good reason.

Forestavia

Oh my! I didn't even catch that. We do have three lunar court justices that have been appointed. I think the Delegacy and Council are going to have a little bit of a power struggle soon. A little meeting out by the flag pole. The good news is that Hospitallers has provided motivation for our government leaders to act.

YNF Broadcasting Network:

The microphone hovered two inches from the Delegate's face. "What do these new positions mean for the region? Is your intention to wrangle judicial powers away from the Lunar Council? Do you think the Council will stand for it? What is the next step for the Anarcho-Capitalist Party?"

Malcholm

Post by Forestavia suppressed by Domos Pinca.

Forestavia

Malcholm wrote:On what terms? They may be a raider, but that doesn't automatically discount them. Work with [nation=short]order_of_Hospitallers[/nation] to build a case if you'd like, but we can't eject them without good reason.

True, in fact they may even have a certain degree of protection under the newly passed ANTICOM Alliance Act.

"1. All nations will retain in-character/roleplaying rights.

2. Nations will not be ejected or banned just for being affiliated with The Red Fleet."

So we need something solid.

Malcholm

RP:

National Politics:

Following new legislation in Forestavia, retirement homes are often fitted with luxurious suites.

The patriotism of the Nationalist Party combined with Socialist support passed a bill to support elderly citizens who have difficulty making ends meet, especially veterans. Rumors of luxurious living on the backs of the taxpayer abound. "Support and generosity is great for those who need a little extra help. But these luxurious suites are a slap in the face to the hard working taxpayer." The Liberal Party opposed the bill with only 30 liberals supporting it. "There needs to be a better way than having the government take from someone and give to someone else. These luxurious suites are a step too far. The Nationalists have accused our party of not being patriotic. The socialists have accused us of greed. Our response is simply that allowing more taxpayers to keep more of their money will give them the ability to start charities and affordable retirement conditions for the elderly in their communities. The private sector can do a much better job than the Forestavian government which continually funds temples and the Monastery with taxpayer money. Much of which never gets back to helping the people."

Tumetu-Iin Noyan

Malcholm wrote:On what terms? They may be a raider, but that doesn't automatically discount them. Work with [nation=short]order_of_Hospitallers[/nation] to build a case if you'd like, but we can't eject them without good reason.

he helped aid the raid on us from den, and the nations government is in complete disorder with a military dictator ruling.

If the corrupt council wont administer justice i will!

I say nations should be able to declare war on other nations in the region!

1 day 13 hours ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24 was ranked in the Top 10% of the world for Most Income Equality.

4 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24's influence in The Mystical Council fell from "Apprentice" to "Squire".

5 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24's influence in The Mystical Council rose from "Squire" to "Apprentice".

11 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24's influence in The Mystical Council rose from "Page" to "Squire".

12 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24's influence in The Mystical Council rose from "Shoeshiner" to "Page".

14 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24 resigned from the World Assembly.

14 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24's influence in The Mystical Council rose from "Zero" to "Shoeshiner".

14 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24 relocated from Nugut to The Mystical Council.

14 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24 endorsed The Armed Republic of Mobile Infantry17.

14 days ago: The Communist Republic of The West 24 was admitted to the World Assembly.

More...

Too many of our councilers are inactive too.

example 1:

4 days ago: Jegerkompaniet's influence in The Mystical Council fell from "Negotiator" to "Ambassador".

5 days ago: Jegerkompaniet's influence in The Mystical Council rose from "Ambassador" to "Negotiator".

14 days ago: The Outpost of Oakplumington appointed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council with authority over Appearance, Communications, Embassies, and Polls in The Mystical Council.

14 days ago: The Armed Republic of Mobile Infantry17 dismissed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Councillor of The Mystical Council.

23 days ago: Jegerkompaniet's influence in The Mystical Council rose from "Diplomat" to "Ambassador".

25 days ago: The Outpost of Oakplumington appointed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Councillor with authority over Appearance, Communications, Embassies, and Polls in The Mystical Council.

25 days ago: The Dictatorship of The Lunar High Admiral dismissed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

26 days ago: The Outpost of Oakplumington appointed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council with authority over Appearance, Communications, Embassies, and Polls in The Mystical Council.

26 days ago: The United States of The Snake Treaders dismissed Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council Member of The Mystical Council.

27 days ago: Jegerkompaniet was ranked in the Top 10% of the region for Largest Welfare Programs.

More...

example 2:

1 day 13 hours ago: Vaspassia was ranked in the Top 10% of the world for Most Primitive.

4 days ago: Vaspassia's influence in The Mystical Council fell from "Negotiator" to "Diplomat".

5 days ago: Vaspassia's influence in The Mystical Council rose from "Diplomat" to "Negotiator".

5 days ago: Vaspassia lodged a message on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board.

5 days ago: Vaspassia unsuppressed a post on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board.

5 days ago: Vaspassia suppressed a post on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board.

5 days ago: Vaspassia lodged a message on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board.

5 days ago: Vaspassia relocated from New Wolf Order to The Mystical Council.

5 days ago: Vaspassia relocated from The Mystical Council to New Wolf Order.

5 days ago: Vaspassia lodged a message on the The Mystical Council Regional Message Board.

Malcholm

How would one go of starting a impeachment process?

Forestavia wrote:If you do eject, make sure that's all you do. A ban would land you in the hot seat. But you've got to be prepared. Because West 24 to my knowledge hasn't done anything. So if West 24 decides to appeal to the Lunar Council and they say that they are innocent. Fair warning - It could backfire.

Plus the Lunar Council has their hands full right now with The Lunar High Admiral. So you might not score many points if you create more even more work for them.

I would definitely build up a case against West 24 before any action is taken.

Mob justice meaning:

When a large angry mob takes justice into their own hands. Usually ends with somebody getting hanged, torched or pitchfork'd. A common method of dispensing justice in the more rural areas of a country.

I DISAGREE *SLAMS FIST ON TABLE*'

I WISH WE COULD INSTITUTE MOB JUSTICE, BUT CONSIDERING the lunar high admiral's leaders ARE IN EXILE HIDING IN BRASILISTAN I DOUBT THAT IS POSSIBLE!

Forestavia

Forestavia wrote:I think that this poll could be taken as mob justice and definitely runs counter to section 21. However, that being said, Hospitallers has the freedom to run a public opinion poll on the matter. But only the Lunar Council can decide in matters of justice.

AU912 has provided some fair analysis:

Malcholm says no action based on lack of appeal. And Tumetu-iin Noyan says bar The Lunar High Admiral from the Lunar Council.

Jegerkompaniet and Vaspassia have not given an opinion yet.

It's really up to the Lunar Council how they want to do this. If the Council chooses, they may base a ruling off of the poll thus democratizing the justice process. But public opinion polls also run the risk of mob justice. It's up to you five how you want to deal with the trial. There should be a general consensus that at least three of you can stand behind. You five can choose to make it closed-door or open-door.

Maybe I can take care of the appeal dilemma....

I [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], hereby wish to sue The Lunar High Admiral for damages. Specifically constitutional damages to the region. I appeal my case to the Lunar Council. Please take action against this power hungry dictator.

I submit the following from my dispatch "Criminals of February" originally taken from the activity page as evidence:

"1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Protectorate of Anti Communist Alliance from The Mystical Council.

•1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The CL Secretary of State of Dark Commander from The Mystical Council.

•1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Free Land of The Capitalist Manifesto from The Mystical Council.

•1 day 9 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Atlas Republic of Castlemaine from The Mystical Council.

1 day 10 hours ago: The Armed Republic of New England Bastards was ejected and banned from The Mystical Council by The Lunar High Admiral.

‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎1‎:‎45‎:‎05‎ ‎AM: The Theocratic Republic of Forestavia was ejected and banned from The Mystical Council by The Lunar High Admiral.

1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The United Provinces of New Bacon as President of Sentagon of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Nomadic Peoples of ChingisLan as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Republic of Jegerkompaniet as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Oppressed Peoples of Vaspassia as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Protectorate of AU912 Mystical Council Consulate as Lunar Council of The Mystical Council.

•1 day 10 hours ago: The Lunar High Admiral dismissed The Vereint Reich of Malcholm as Lunar Council President of The Mystical Council.

‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎1‎:‎45‎:‎34‎ ‎AM: The Lunar High Admiral banned The Protectorate of Forestavia One from The Mystical Council."

We need justice for all those who were ejected or banned without a chance to defend themselves!

What is section 21?

Im so sorry for being inactive. I took a 8 day break from NS and just started playing again 2 days ago. I know I was inactive before that too but I hope to change this.

Malcholm, Order Of Hospitallers

Jegerkompaniet wrote:Im so sorry for being inactive. I took a 8 day break from NS and just started playing again 2 days ago. I know I was inactive before that too but I hope to change this.

Welcome back! :)

The Lunar Council is deciding what to do about the Lunar High Admiral.

Firstguygames

Inca Tribals wrote:What is section 21?

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=442427

It's in the section on the Lunar Council.

Malcholm, Firstguygames

I encourage everyone to vote in my poll in The New Internationale :D

http://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=48497

Forestavia wrote:Oh my! I didn't even catch that. We do have three lunar court justices that have been appointed. I think the Delegacy and Council are going to have a little bit of a power struggle soon. A little meeting out by the flag pole. The good news is that Hospitallers has provided motivation for our government leaders to act.

YNF Broadcasting Network:

The microphone hovered two inches from the Delegate's face. "What do these new positions mean for the region? Is your intention to wrangle judicial powers away from the Lunar Council? Do you think the Council will stand for it? What is the next step for the Anarcho-Capitalist Party?"

These new positions mean that sentagon residents will be able to participate in the jury process for court cases.

It is not my intention to remove any powers from the council, they still have a role in the process.

The Council still have powers, and now the people will be able to have a say on if a nation is guilty,innocent and the charges.

Their is nothing to stand for. *Grandmaster Stands and reads excerpt from constitution* " regional court may be formed consisting of the Delegate, the Founder, the President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon. " AHAH!

That is exactly what we did, two sentagon members were given the honor of being on the regional court!

Following the constitution

The next step for the party is to propose favored legislation into the region.

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:There is nothing to stand for. *Grandmaster Stands and reads excerpt from constitution* " regional court may be formed consisting of the Delegate, the Founder, the President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon. " AHAH!

That is exactly what we did, two Sentagon members were given the honor of being on the regional court!

Following the constitution

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8175485

Let me catch you there, Grandmaster. You're nitpicking, taking bits of the constitution and bending it to fit your policy; something a friend of mine did long ago to attempt to impeach me when I was Delegate for an ancient region.

Directly quoted, the part you're referencing from Section 21 of the constitution reads, "If the Lunar Council is itself involved, then a regional court may be formed consisting of the Delegate, the Founder, the President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon.", so this all depends on how you interpret the part that reads, 'If the Lunar Council is itself involved'. I take it to mean that if a Councillor on the Lunar Council is accused of breaking regional policy and needs to be tried in a court of law, then we default to the Delegate, Founder, President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon for the Supreme Court hearing, and eventually the final jurisdiction. What I don't do is take Section 21 to be purely based on the Lunar Council's investigative and Supreme Court judiciary responsibilities, which is what I believe [nation=short]oakplumington[/nation] also intended to avoid when writing it.

While I admire your intent to bring Sentagon into the judiciary role, it's simply not their inherent responsibility. I won't admonish you for appointing the two nations from Sentagon as Lunar Court Justices, as it's perfectly legal under the constitution; instead, I'll warn you: do not attempt to circumvent the Lunar Council. Just as you were chosen to represent the people, we of the Council were elected to our seats by the people. Justice, liberty, and freedom under democracy is what we were all elected to uphold.

Forestavia

Inca Tribals wrote:What is section 21?

It just dawned on my that it's possible that not everyone has read the constitution.

Make sure to read up! Know your rights! Know your limitations! The key to a successful democracy is knowledge, for the latter is tyranny.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=442427

Order Of Hospitallers

Malcholm wrote:http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8175485

Let me catch you there, Grandmaster. You're nitpicking, taking bits of the constitution and bending it to fit your policy; something a friend of mine did long ago to attempt to impeach me when I was Delegate for an ancient region.

Directly quoted, the part you're referencing from Section 21 of the constitution reads, "If the Lunar Council is itself involved, then a regional court may be formed consisting of the Delegate, the Founder, the President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon.", so this all depends on how you interpret the part that reads, 'If the Lunar Council is itself involved'. I take it to mean that if a Councillor on the Lunar Council is accused of breaking regional policy and needs to be tried in a court of law, then we default to the Delegate, Founder, President of Sentagon, and two other members of Sentagon for the Supreme Court hearing, and eventually the final jurisdiction. What I don't do is take Section 21 to be purely based on the Lunar Council's investigative and Supreme Court judiciary responsibilities, which is what I believe [nation=short]oakplumington[/nation] also intended to avoid when writing it.

While I admire your intent to bring Sentagon into the judiciary role, it's simply not their inherent responsibility. I won't admonish you for appointing the two nations from Sentagon as Lunar Court Justices, as it's perfectly legal under the constitution; instead, I'll warn you: do not attempt to circumvent the Lunar Council. Just as you were chosen to represent the people, we of the Council were elected to our seats by the people. Justice, liberty, and freedom under democracy is what we were all elected to uphold.

well of course not, do you think i am trying to restrict the council?

Malcholm wrote:It just dawned on my that it's possible that not everyone has read the constitution.

Make sure to read up! Know your rights! Know your limitations! The key to a successful democracy is knowledge, for the latter is tyranny.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=442427

i doubt most people have, i just recently read it..

we neeed to leave the dispatch link up

Malcholm

Does anyone here know how to get a hold of Everloyal ?

[nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] Ten provinces in your country are proposing an article change in the constitution that prohibits political parties. It should be repealed according to the people/provinces of New Bacon.

OOC: I'm Roleplaying two things. I'm Roleplaying my nation and I'm Roleplaying provincial governments of New Bacon as he requested me to do as his friend. I really need to get deep in this Roleplaying

The New Firstguy Region of New Bacon has a huge population surge due to the region growing. Housing development is ongoing in New Bacon City. Local and Provincial Taxes in most of the Provinces in the New Firstguy Region are expected to rise shortly. I'm David reporting from BCN.

Forestavia

Also bacon I want to propose the article to make the Supreme Court firmer by making the justices elected-- lastly I want to propose to make the New Bacon reserve strong by having it constitutionally adopted as another branch of government.

Hope you can deal with all these issues you people have hahaha.

Forestavia

Firstguygames wrote:Also bacon I want to propose the article to make the Supreme Court firmer by making the justices elected-- lastly I want to propose to make the New Bacon reserve strong by having it constitutionally adopted as another branch of government.

Hope you can deal with all these issues you people have hahaha.

who the hell are you?

some new guy coming in the region barking orders isn't the best approach...

Tumetu-Iin Noyan wrote:who the hell are you?

some new guy coming in the region barking orders isn't the best approach...

That's referring to my country only--has nothing to do with Sentagon.

Firstguygames wrote:Also bacon I want to propose the article to make the Supreme Court firmer by making the justices elected-- lastly I want to propose to make the New Bacon reserve strong by having it constitutionally adopted as another branch of government.

Hope you can deal with all these issues you people have hahaha.

Firstguy Next time telegram me

Order Of Hospitallers

New Bacon wrote:That's referring to my country only--has nothing to do with Sentagon.

Sounds like it involves all of us.

I smell a coup lel.

" Also bacon I want to propose the article to make the Supreme Court firmer by making the justices elected-- lastly I want to propose to make the New Bacon reserve strong by having it constitutionally adopted as another branch of government.

Hope you can deal with all these issues you people have hahaha. "

Malcholm resigned from the world assembly :O

Forestavia, Malcholm

Welcome back Firstguy!

Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:Welcome back Firstguy!

You resigned too

:O

a secret raid going on?

Forestavia, Malcholm

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:Sounds like it involves all of us.

I smell a coup lel.

" Also bacon I want to propose the article to make the Supreme Court firmer by making the justices elected-- lastly I want to propose to make the New Bacon reserve strong by having it constitutionally adopted as another branch of government.

Hope you can deal with all these issues you people have hahaha. "

Firstguygames was with us awhile back. Many months ago.

No worries on the Supreme Court, Firstguy. The Lunar Council both serves as the regional supreme court and they are elected. However, we could use your help with section 32 of the constitution. We can't get two branches of government to agree on it. I'll find that old post of mine later and show you what we like so far and what hasn't passed. The section deals with the delegate's ability to appoint cabinet members.

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:You resigned too

:O

a secret raid going on?

Something very fishy is going on....

Malcholm

Forestavia wrote:Firstguygames was with us awhile back. Many months ago.

No worries on the Supreme Court, Firstguy. The Lunar Council both serves as the regional supreme court and they are elected. However, we could use your help with section 32 of the constitution. We can't get two branches of government to agree on it. I'll find that old post of mine later and show you what we like so far and what hasn't passed. The section deals with the delegate's ability to appoint cabinet members.

That what Firstguy was talking about is my Supreme Court not the region's

I think he confused everyone

Oh ok, you did say that in a previous post. I see that now. I must've missed it.

New Bacon

To speed things up, I'll take down the poll once it is either defeated or passed.

New Bacon

For anyone following the US Presidential primary I'm providing the following links:

Schedule > http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/events.phtml?s=c

For this one go to the bottom and select the state/territory > http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NH-D

Democratic map > http://www.270towin.com/2016-democratic-nomination/

Republican map > http://www.270towin.com/2016-republican-nomination/

Overview chart >> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=1

Libertarian Primary debate to be hosted by Stossel:

http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarian-presidential-debate-to-air-on-stossel-show-in-april

And what is this world coming, too? Holy mackerel, I actually agree with Nancy Pelosi for once!

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/271651-pelosi-pans-superdelegate-system

Order Of Hospitallers wrote:You resigned too

:O

a secret raid going on?

Yeah, we're raiding The Communist Bloc. Wanna come along?

Castlemaine wrote:Yeah, we're raiding The Communist Bloc. Wanna come along?

Not tonight, I'm actually getting ready to go to bed. Plus I'm already on a mission. Thanks for the invite, though!

Forestavia wrote:Not tonight, I'm actually getting ready to go to bed. Plus I'm already on a mission. Thanks for the invite, though!

I was kidding :D

Raiding TCB is essentially impossible, and I would never admit a plan like that on a public RMB XD

Besides, I like TCB.

Castlemaine wrote:I was kidding :D

Raiding TCB is essentially impossible, and I would never admit a plan like that on a public RMB XD

Besides, I like TCB.

I was originally from TCB.

Forestavia

Everloyal wrote:I was originally from TCB.

And now you are part of a military anti-communist alliance?

Castlemaine wrote:And now you are part of a military anti-communist alliance?

I am not communist just wound up there and yes now I do enjoy raiding personally I tell myself that I do not do it for anti com but to better the region.

Forestavia

Everloyal wrote:I am not communist just wound up there and yes now I do enjoy raiding personally I tell myself that I do not do it for anti com but to better the region.

Well the region is part of ANTICOM. It's just a question of if you raid in ANTICOM missions or not.

Castlemaine wrote:Well the region is part of ANTICOM. It's just a question of if you raid in ANTICOM missions or not.

I kinda lead the closest thing to a military here and we do raid along with them but we are not held to it.

Everloyal wrote:I kinda lead the closest thing to a military here and we do raid along with them but we are not held to it.

You are not held to what?

Castlemaine wrote:You are not held to what?

Always helping.

Everloyal wrote:Always helping.

But you are held to not hurting

And if you are not always held to helping us, are we always held to helping you?

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