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Region: The Mystical Council
I'll give you a small loan of $300. I'll even move and help run the place for you.
Malcholm
You come up (down?) here first.
Malcholm
Down. If you have some properties lined up I'll come check it out.
No properties as of yet....but I would like to know of my prospective employees.
You and me in the beginning. Full time pizza making. Then we can start looking for an employee.
Malcholm, Civilisunio
Alright, first step first.
Buy out the pizza from the other place.
70 medium pizzas, 80 large.
I need a job bby.
Gyuamno
Nah we need some fresh homemade pizza. We can discuss this later, we also have Civ with his pizza expertise.
Welcome aboard!
Civilisunio
You misunderstand. Buy out one pizza place, so customers will be forced ro come to ours.
Ah yes. Going Rockefeller on them, I approve.
Yep! So, I need a couple thousand dollars.
Gyuamno
Yes. *Civ Places on a pizza hat and a pizza tuxedo* I knew i would be able to use this some day!
Gyuamno
How fast are our reflexes?
Civilisunio
I dont know about you but *Civ brings in military personnel* Imma catch this bullet! *The bullets fires and goes threw civs hand* Well my hand caught it.
Hmm.
Well, during peak hours we'll have many pizzas coming through the oven. Are you fast enought to take them out the oven, box them, and cut them before any others fall out the oven?
The oven is like a conveyor belt type thing, so no doors.
Civilisunio
Si.
Thank you for your support.
I'm of the view that if the bill passes a vote then the unfinished (which is a key arguement here) constitution can and should be amended to reflect the new citizenship bill.
I recommend that you split up the dispatch about your proposals, as the issues are not related and cannot be properly voted on at the same poll (but we can vote on them at the same time by having a poll in TMC and another in MC)
I for one don't support the first proposal, but support the second.
I'll look into that when I'm next at the pc as it seems reasonable to do as suggested
What a disastrous morning so far.
Civilisunio
Soon mugwop. Soon.
I don't understand how it works either. Which is why I haven't made any proposals.
Parakka Northland
Officials keep making changes to the constitution so it cannot be viewed publicly until the constitution is straight. Then we'll get public opinion. You all are starting to see how hard it is to get pass the stages. Forest didn't do it but if I'm writing this constitution, there are stages. The constitution is still in stage one. The officers have to crack the egg in order for the public to view it. Yes the constitution is in a pipeline as of now.
Parakka Northland
Lol why?
I'm not disputing that there are not stages or that it's not in the pipeline as I knew it was a month ago but that doesn't mean my proposal cannot be voted on
Ok guys I've split my proposals up
Legislator amendments:- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=761344
Citizenship Bill:- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=parakka_northland/detail=factbook/id=762848
Gyuamno, Forestavia
I ordered stuff, recieved only half. Went home, had to run back to pick up the other half. Realized one of the things was incorrect had to get a refund. Bought the correct thing only to realize I probably won't need it. So about to return $300 garbage sometime tomorrow or later if I feel like going back.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Product: Holiday White Peppermint Hostess® Twinkies
Reason: Salmonella
Anyone eating Twinkies in this day and age is just asking for salmonella.
[nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation] you could've just DMd me if you really wanted that poll 😂
Parakka Northland
didnt say that youre proposal couldnt be voted on.
Parakka Northland
OOC: So are we like gonna do any RPing at all or...
Forestavia, Malcholm
We hardly do RP in this region anymore. If you want RP, you should go to Parakka's region: Solar Alliance. I do all my RP over there. They even have embassy posting so that you don't have to worry about relocating if you don't want to.
Parakka Northland
TMC is more like a regional development/regional government region with a dash of RP here and there.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland
I heard about that on the news.
Malcholm
Not seen you on discord over the last few days and didn't want to bother you if you were busy ☺😂
Malcholm
Zzzzzz.
i said puppets WITH intent of harm aren't citizens.
puppets that tell us their main nation and wa nations should be citizens
Forestavia
im against the legislative amendment.
on the citizen amendment i agree with clause 1, against clause 2, and partially agree on clause 3
So just to be clear, what you are saying is that a nation that is a main or a puppet, must make the whereabouts of its WA known to be a citizen. Is that what you're saying?
I have finally crashed my Economy at 0
My Civil Rights are at 7 and my Political Freedom are at 6. Soon I will crush them as well.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm, Aratain
Also will resign the WA so that they don't screw up my trends. Will rejoin if my WA is needed.
Forestavia, Alistia, Malcholm
All hail Lord Mugwop!
New Bacon, Malcholm
Invasion probable. Taliban like.
Malcholm
Can someone please post the poll I requested a few days ago? I have to say I miss [nation=short]mugwop[/nation] running polls at least he actually posted them and kept on top of them.
FYI:- [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] & [nation=short]Teurs[/nation]
New Bacon, Malcholm
Ok that's only somewhat informative, would you be nice enough to actually say why your against those parts and what you would change and why?
Personally I think they are fair and address the issues we have been having quite nicely
I've brought my WA back here again and possibly thinking of running for delegate again
Malcholm, Truxol
Which proposal do you want to go first? Legislator Amendments or the Citizenship Bill?
I didn't know I could do polls too. Even you left me out :P
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
That is not what your earlier post said however I do agree with you.
Parakka Northland
I didn't know either :) well can we do the Citizenship Bill as that's the most important out of the two please
New Bacon
Then we can do the legislative one after :) thank you btw [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation]
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm
First time making a poll, if it is too confusing I will remove it.
FOR - You support the bill in its entirety.
AGAINST COMPLETELY - You are against a bill establishing citizenship.
AGAINST PARTIALLY - You will support the bill if changes are made. (Post on RMB)
Against completely and partially will be tallied together to determine if the majority is For or Against.
Malcholm
I allowed four days so those who are partially against are able to discuss on the RMB with reasonable time and can then change their vote to FOR if they agree with the new changes.
Malcholm
Sorry! I got caught up with college and work, so it completely slipped my mind. Thanks @gyamno for getting it up!
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
its all cool, i just know what its like here, Drama happens and stuff gets forgotten. So i wanted to get the polls in as quickly as possible (Particularly the citizenship one)
Malcholm
[nation=short]parakka[/nation] this proposal doesn't involve the kicking of puppets does it?
Parakka Northland
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
Just wanted clarification
Parakka Northland
No not at all that would be insane.
New Bacon
To summarise the proposal (and this is where I will get confused between TMC proposal and SA citizenship act haha)
7 Days temporary citizenship for new members - this is only for regional laws nothing else is granted
Full citizenship - means can become an officer, vote, protected by regional laws and propose legislation
Foreign Nations (None citizens) - Can't vote, Can't hold an officer position, Can't propose legislation
That's it in a nut shell (without the definitions)
Gyuamno, Malcholm
Hmm....so the proposal isn't for kicking puppets....but what about punching puppets?
Gyuamno, New Bacon, Malcholm, Barishmacht, Parakka Northland
Following this you will need to crate a database of all nations in the region establishing their status.
Parakka Northland
That would be correct, i would suggest if the bill is passed that three lists be created one by the founder, one by either the Delegate or Prime Minister and one by the Judaical President then at some point, again i would suggest once per month those lists to be compared and updated etc and then one list to be pinned to the region factbook.
New Bacon
I'm for punching [nation=short]The_Immortal_Elysium[/nation].
Sorry, not really.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Actually... I would say you don't even need to do that much work. All you would need is a text doc, maybe kept on Discord or just on your PC. I think the Founder, Delegate, and PM should all share the same doc, rather than keeping three separate ones. Cut out all that extra work!!
Parakka Northland
That's not a bad idea, I'll let time all figure it out if the bill passes
Malcholm
Unless someone volunteers, you gotta create the lists yourself and hand them over, as you are the author of the proposal. Maintaining the lists in the future however will be the task of the Founder, Judicial President and Delegate.
Malcholm
Fair enough
Malcholm, Mugwop
[nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation], regarding your vote on the poll, please provide details on your stance.
It shouldn't be required to join the WA. It proves almost nothing. Even a puppet could join.
Gyuamno
It proves that the person behind the nation cannot manipulate our elections. 1 person can only have 1 nation in the WA at any given time. So implementing this as a law will result in ensuring that 1 person cannot use multiple nations of theirs to manipulate our polls. That after all is the main reason why we need this act, to combat vote fraud.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
They could log in from different locations.
True, but they will have to risk incurring the wrath of the mods if they get busted. And contrary to popular belief, the NS server doesn't just track the IP address to catch cheaters, there's a bunch of other metrics used to bust them. Beside, even if they go through the trouble of circumventing the website rules just to cheat us, it would be even much harder for a person to make more than 2 WA and commit fraud. So that way even if something goes wrong, it can never have a major effect.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
If this region is about democracy, you shouldn't be allowed to force a nation to join the WA. It really proves nothing.
It's more about staying true to your core values.
Unfortunately not everyone has core values or wishes to stay true to them.
Then don't call this region democratic.
An individuals core values doesn't mean that the region isnt democratic
Then alter your nation, not the region. I will not join the WA, regardless.
Malcholm
My nation is fine, thank you for your concern though, and if you don't want to join the WA that is your choice
I just noticed you just resigned from the WA? I thought you were not going to join it to begin with?
Correct. No legislation forcing a nation to prove its validity will be supported. Corruption in democracy will not be tolerated.
Malcholm
Good on you. I'm subject to the whims of the WA since I've taken up R/D >.>
Alistia, Ann Arbour, Parakka Northland
Compliance, initially.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Ah thank you for clearing that up, naturally I was confused given your stance and then noticing you just resigned.
Malcholm
Indeed. I joined before I knew the justification behind the requirement.
Malcholm
[nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation] is an oldie from the UTNA, Oak and I's old region. I'll vouch for their legitimacy in polls.
On that note though, it would certainly help if you joined the WA occasionally, AA. Forestavia may be the founder, but he's more some time for life stuff lately.
Ann Arbour, Parakka Northland
*but he's taking more time for some RL stuff as of late.
Parakka Northland
Well the current legislation being voted on efffects the citizenship of the regions members. I do have a dispatch for in on my nation profile, if you would like to read more? Though the region does have a fraud act that was installed when the old government system was replaced, which you might want to read up on.
Perhaps. However, should their be any question of validity to ones nation, they should be kicked until they can prove that they're authentic. There shouldn't have to be a question in the first place.
We figured out puppets in UTNA by following patterns. Also, consider putting a password on this region. Would be wise.
I don't know. I don't think that will quite cut it if the law passes. We can't just say the rules don't apply to this person because we know them. AA wants a democratic region, so he has to follow the rules set out in a democracy. The person has to be in the WA. If he doesn't want to join [nation=short]Ann_Arbour[/nation] in the WA, then that is absolutely fine, but he needs another nation somewhere in NS that is in the WA, that he keeps on our record about it's identity (this is BTW what I am doing as I am not joining [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] to WA)
Following patterns works well only against weak infiltrators with no real raid experience. Case in point was the recent "raid" we had a short while ago. The infiltrators had no real experience, so the patterns were easy to spot. Unfortunately we sometimes are faced with people who are more competent and we can't easily notice their tricks. As to locking the region, that would be horrible thing to do; it would be the death of our region to isolate us. We should never do such thing unless Oak is gone.
Parakka Northland
I'll just leave.
Well I hope you change your mind. I can of course see your point of view, but it's the only effective solution that we have against the problem.
Aw! Well, if you're serious about RP (and want a smaller/ mid-sized to do it in), I'd seriously reccomend the Solar Alliance. The use a RL map, and have pretty decently established themselves.
Parakka Northland
Oak/ Forest is adamantly against passwording the region, it had something to do with retention rates? We like to let people come and go as they please.
Parakka Northland
Before I can agree to the terms outlined by Parakka in his citizenship bill, I'd like to see a proper bill write-up submitted without grammatical inconsistencies. If you guys ever need something proof-read in that regard, run it by me! I'm a bit of an addict to making documents phonetically and grammatically correct.
Gyuamno
Yes please [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] make it nice and tidy.
Gyuamno, Malcholm
I'm going to your competitor [nation=short]The_Immortal_Elysium[/nation], Little Caesars!
Malcholm
(╯°□°)–︻╦╤─ – – – [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]
Gyuamno, Malcholm
dies
Malcholm
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