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Region: The Mystical Council
How have they suppressed the will of the majority?
Civilisunio
SHOTS FIRED
Lampar, Exotic Lemon
Now [nation=short]waza wazu[/nation], you better give your seat up or your "majority" will be thrown out of to region into the Dark Realms.
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba
Please explain how I suppressed you? because the poll was overrun with puppet votes and unregistered voters, trying to eliminate corruption is now oppression?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
" trying to eliminate corruption is now oppression?"
Sounds like cold war quote from 1950s Stalinist Russia by a member of the secret police, gives me that feeling
Malcholm, Plugo, Waza Wazu
You know that Bunickens propaganda poster is a Nazi soldier?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
I am most certainly not a Stalinist. Heres what I see, a poll with many unregistered voters. We suspend the poll to keep it fair, and we will resume once all puppet votes are eliminated.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
SA
Lampar
I am not saying you are, you not even close to being one, it just remind sme of something similar that would have been said during the time period. Sorry for any confusions
Yes. You should first prove there were puppets. Then the poll should have been cancelled voters? What do you mean someone thrown out of the sentagon is a unregistered voter?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
LEMON BUNICKENS PROPAGANDA POSTER IS A NAZI SOLDIER, AND YOU'RE JEWISH.
Plugo, Waza Wazu
Post self-deleted by Republic Of Greater Cuba.
You have not lived here for at least a week. If I move into any region I cannot just vote for people to influence polls. Because the night of the poll probably 10 newly created or refounded nations arrived, voted in the poll, and have since been inactive or barely active.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
You want to remove for voicing my concerns? Why should the majority suffer from the elite minority? [nation=short]kazukame[/nation] stop taunting me. Remember I voted for you. You represent me.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
They represent them, and their policies.
You can't make them say what you want because you voted for them.
Exotic Lemon
Feel free to voice your concerns. In fact, I encourage it. But do not demand a permanent seat in the government.
Why is the poll I voted for is suppressed?
Civilisunio
Not suppressed. Suspended. I am not the only person who is concerned about puppet votes.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Civ would you rather be the rep of the people or secretary delegate
Im here to represent the people in government and i can honestly say for many of us that at first, I may have seen your concern, but demanding a seat in government is just too far. I ask that you please calm down. I understand your concerns and what [nation=short]exotic_lemon[/nation] is trying to explain is that he doesn't want puppets voting and wether or not there is puppets or not, it doesn't hurt to check and try again.
Thanks, Civ.:)
Kazukame, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
I am running for exotic lemons lunar council seat!
Plugo, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
You have competition from Lampar!;)
Exotic Lemon
I wish to endorse ITALIA and Lampar for lc seat
Lampar
Civ?
Civilisunio
I am recommending you to run for office. Even nations like [nation=short]plugo[/nation] recommended that me to run. This is not taunting. If you think that is taunting then you are doing the same thing you are accusing the 'elites' of doing. No one is uncomfortable with your criticism. You first voiced dissent over the sentagon issue. That was the platform on which I ran. Your criticism was heard. We are now trying to solve that issue. This needs consensus. I also voted in that suspended poll. I was disappointed with the suspension but that doesn't mean I will run tantrums. We need people like you who disagree with the status quo. But you should also try to understand and be part of the solution. You can use this time to propose your own idea of the mystical council government. Hope you will understand. I don't want to taunt you. I am honored that you voted for me. Regarding the eligible voters list confusion. I will soon bring my idea to address this issue.
Malcholm, Plugo, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia
I got rid of the Secretary Delegate position temporarily. But, do you [I]want[/I] a Secretary Delegate to serve with you on the Lunar Council. Or would you rather work with a Lunar Council of 10 elected seats. We're running out of positions. I don't really like the idea of taking an elected office and making it an appointed one but I want your feedback first.
Exotic Lemon
I thought we still had it. I figured the secretary wouldn't be part of the government, just my assistant. I justfigured it could replace rep of the people because I wanted civ
Are these the candidates for the Lunar Council so far? Have I missed anyone?
Italia
Lampar
Civilisunio
Malcholm
I think waza wazu was going to run
Forestavia
Ok, let's do it this way. Let's skip the Secretary Delegate thing for now. We're out of positions in government and this is just a temporary interim government anyway to help us get to a constitution, etc. I'd like to see the Secretary Delegate position return also (and that's one of the perks of holding the Delegacy) but for now it's just easier to skip it until we come up with a system of government that we more or less agree on.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon
I hope this is fair. But if you really want an assistant, we could delete one of the Lunar Council positions. I'm going to make this your call.
No. Keep the council. It is selfish of me to even have one.
Malcholm
No seats are permanent sir
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Ok. Cool.
And the sooner we pass a constitution the sooner we can return to "normal" - whatever that is.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
VIVA Italia for Lunar Council
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=viva_italia/detail=factbook/id=686968
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
I endorse him and his views
New Bacon, Viva Italia
More shall be added soon
Exotic Lemon
When this test poll closes, we'll start elections for Exotic Lemon's seat. The winner will finish out Lemon's term which means you'll be in office until December. Candidates, use this time to campaign.
The test poll is important because I want to explain how voting will happen during the interim government. That way nobody will be confused. It will be closed in less than a day now.
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
With me gone and chef not running for reelection, who will be the lc president?
Forestavia
I have a question for Lunar Council Candidate VIVA ITALIA.
When you say you want a referendum on the matter of embassies with Bunicken are you talking about passing some regional law on the matter?
We now have ten, soon to be eleven officers with embassies authority. Why do you think none of these officers in recent months have taken the bold step to propose constructing embassies with Bunicken?
If the Lunar Council was divided on the matter and voted whether or not to construct embassies how would you vote?
Malcholm, Lampar
AU912. As always, the most senior member of the Lunar Council will continue to serve as President.
Malcholm
I meant if he doesn't run for re election or loses or resigns or something
As a candidate I would also like to answer this question.
I think none of the officers have proposed constructing embassies because most of them know that Bunicken is a region that TMC doesn't want to be affiliated with. They spy on regions, spy of nations, dismiss democracy, and promote fascism. Bunicken also gets mad when nothing goes his way.
I would vote no on the matter to construct embassies.
Forestavia, Malcholm
I would vote yes to embassies
Lampar
Well good to know.
After elections...it's going to be crazy.
Agreed
After the vote I'll pass a law.
Chef was next in line but will be gone.
You were second in line but you are now the Delegate.
Parakka would be next.
I should clarify the most senior *elected* member of the Lunar Council will become the Lunar Council President.
I'll try to get this updated soon: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=497274
I started working on it last night a little. It's gonna look nice and sparkly when I'm done with it.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I would vote yes.
Do you know Bunicken?
On the issue of voter fraud I say that the region should be locked during important votes and elections.Having only WA nations ignored nations that aren't puppets but don't support the wa
Yes he does. He is an old NCO member
Viva Italia
Yes.I support embassies with all unless they have rascist views.I once was in Bunicken
Secretary delegate
I just can't believe people are on board with having an embassy with them.
After months of declines, when it finally comes to an official now they start thinking about it.
And Forestavia gave me the chance to decide if Bunicken was eligible for an embassy. Which I concluded wasn't in our best interests.
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
Have you seen their propaganda poster?
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
You are not our only ambassador. I took the case because you had to much personal interference
Actually forest said it would be best for me to not have one now. Maybe after the government is reformed
Civilisunio
It is Nazi however they don't hold rascist beliefs.I checked before
Bunicken said he was going to change it as well
one of the parts of their army is called the Sturmabteilung, looked it up and historically it was the first paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party
Malcholm, Plugo
their police is based on the Ordnungspolizei, and the Landsturm is based on the imperial militas, which are copied off of kaiserreich
Malcholm
And it was socialist I believe
I just can't believe you guys, who are extremely well informed, would think that this region is trustworthy.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
National Socialist, thats far right
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
Let's focus on repairing our region before we worry about another
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba
I don't, look at the part dealing with the army from their constitution
V. The Armee can be only deployed to foreign countries by the order of the Kaiser, or an unanimous vote by the council
VI. The Armee is to be organized to divisions of 6 nations, overseen by a Generalleutenant, the division is to be most basic formation of Bunicken.
VII. 2 or more divisions may be combined into a corps overseen by a General Der Infanterie.
VIII. All members of the Armee are to swear an oath of loyalty to the region of Bunicken, and the Kaiser.
IX. The Polizei is to be made out of select group of individuals, it shall have a single commander called the Polizei Hauptmann, who is responsible for the operation of the Polizei. The Polizei shall have first dibs on all recruits, based mostly on perceived loyalty. The Polizei will oversee domestic stability.
X. All Polizei members are to be given border control, and message board powers
XI. The Polizei has the authority to deport suspected raiders, and report anti- Bunicken propaganda to the Fuhrer
XII. Landsturm are to be made out of non active individuals deferred from the army or non-WA individuals, overseen by a Minister der Miliz
XIII. Landsturm are to be used almost exclusively for defense due to the unreliability of these troops
XIV. Landsturm are to be treated as inferior to the army, and members may be promoted back to the army for meritorious service.
XV. Landsturm are issued orders via region wide telegram.
XVI. The Sturmabteilung is to be made out of troops deferred from the army, because of distinctive service, to be answerable only to Kaiser.
XVII. The Sturmabteilung can be deployed with the permission of either the Kaiser or the Kriegsminister, no other cabinet level officials need to be asked.
XVIII. The Sturmabteilung's members are expected to have participated in at least 3 successful campaigns.
Malcholm
Congrats to our new Delegate, Exotic Lemon. I have added the following entry into the historical record.
The Lunar Council
[I]As of 9/5/2016[/I]
The 38th Delegate of The Mystical Council: [nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation] [I](Solidarity Bloc)[/I]
Lunar Council President: [nation=short]AU912 Mystical Council Consulate[/nation] [I](Minarchist)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] [I](No Known Affiliation)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Dosh Semiw[/nation] [I](No Known Affiliation)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Naumadal[/nation] [I](Solidarity Bloc)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Republic of Greater Cuba[/nation] [I](Spectrum)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Teurs[/nation] [I](No Known Affiliation)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: Empty Seat - Special Election To Be Held Shortly
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Kazukame[/nation] [I](Mystical Capitalizt)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Parakka Northland[/nation] [I](Cross-registered Minarchist and Piroshkianist)[/I]
Lunar Councillor: [nation=short]Plugo[/nation] [I](Mystical Capitalizt)[/I]
[nation=short]Exotic Lemon[/nation] was successful in securing the endorsements required to get elected as the 38th Delegate of the region!
Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Thanks man. As your delegate, I will try my best to reform the government and keep everything fair
Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Parakka Northland
But, you know that they aren't trustworthy and they have spies.
Why do you still support them?
Because you want to give them a chance?
Trust me if that's why, then you'll be widely disappointed. Look at Agora, you know that they're prime right now, and they rejected Bunicken faster than I can say Bunicken.
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba
Bunicken is very fanatical about his destruction to all left wing ideologies, and harshly at the very least
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Lampar
I repeat myself
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
The first one is a lie, their council is nothing.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
I just can't get over the fact that you would support that region.
You can keep your consulate, but embassies is too much.
They'll bring us down with their right wing solidarity.
Lampar I told you and Cuba twice, do not make me say it again. We will focus on making tmc better, and we will ignore bunicken embassy for the time being. We will consider that with a more stable government
plus Bunicken himself plagurised and copied my dispatches I worked hard to make and said they were his own
Lampar
Fine.
Even though I don't like it, I'll just focus on my campaign.
How about a few questions for the press?(not involving Bunicken)
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
I'm just done with that region for right now.
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
You held office in Bunucken.Correct?
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
The thing I am most worried about is the only reason you seem want to be a part of the government is to deny bunicken embassies.
Yes.
Exotic Lemon
Not true. It has a big part of it, but I'm also here to help with the reformation.
If I get elected, then I'm going to have to do other stuff as well.
Exotic Lemon
That's good. I was just worried you that was the only reason you cared
Nope.
It's just the only thing that we've been talking about. So, it's mainly been the only thing on my mind.
Exotic Lemon
That's fine. I have a question for both candidates.
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
I see...You must obviously have seen something terrible to change your mind so fast.
Any questions on any other issues?Accountability,Fraud?
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
What do you want to see accomplished before your shortened term ends?
Lampar
Rebellion.
I've seen the Voter Fraud and it's really sad, that nations can't take losing in an election fair and square. I plan on getting border control, and ejected any nation that was inactive, enters and votes.
As for accountability, I see it as being a little complicated. So I was thinking it could just be 1 vote for non WA nations, and 2 for WA nations.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
A smaller more organized government,an end to voter fraud,an end to non-wa discrimination and more power to the people on major issues
Exotic Lemon
There is no need to worry about voter fraud during the Interim Government.
This is the policy I'm using until we adopt a different government:
1. No nation may register to vote unless they have a residency of seven days or who is a former voting resident of the region.
2. If a nation was not in the region at the time the poll opened then they will not be eligible to vote.
3. Any nation who casts an illegal ballot will have their vote discounted.
#1 is based on Rondaland's Sentagon Policy 1.
#2 is based on Malcholm's idea from the other day.
#3 is just common sense. There really is no need to close the region for this election.
I will also illustrate how the voting system works under the interim government when our test poll closes. I also will personally audit every poll (along with the Government Accountability Officer) over the next few months.
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
How will you give more power to the people?
But surely that means we nations are able to create an elite? And I fear the consequences of such a decision.I agree with you on fraud.
Lampar
I want to see that Bunicken still doesn't have embassies.
Along with the completed reformation of the government, along with my ideas of accountability and voter fraud safety.
True, how about all nations are created equal, WA or not.
1 vote for each nation.
Exotic Lemon
Complete reformation means what? Smaller government? More or less powerful?
Lampar
I would like to announce my intention to cross-register with Spectrum. I intend to remain affiliated with the Minarchist Party as well, but I also see great potential with Spectrum.
The Bunicken issue is prime example.The issue has strong supporters on both sides so I say a referendum rather than a Lunar Council vote.If an issue creates enough passionate fighting it should lead to a referendum
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
I would also like to cross register
Malcholm
More power to the people. Everything else is pretty much the same.
I have campaigned for that in many regions.I say total equality!
Lampar
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