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Region: The Mystical Council
Wait for the other part of the Roleplay, the news company will eventually break up. However this is a privatized news company not in control of government.
Roleplay
Prime Minister Orion Guard begins trip to Rondaland, where he will sign the contract that will begin trade between the two nations in Arm Manufacturing.
Plugo
gotta love how our news is in the top 10% for least corrupt
New Bacon, Republic Of Greater Cuba
So what is this minister thing all about?
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
Hey bud!
Long time no see.
The minister thing is my proposal to reform the government.
Currently we have the lunar council, a big form of government with 5 officers that have the same exact duties and barely get anything done and or take weeks of arguing to get things done.
I want to make it so instead of 5 members doing the same thing, each member has a specific duty like defense or embassies, etc.
Viva Italia
I like the idea of ministers mainly because I have no idea how the sentagon and the council's work. You have my vote!
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
I like Cubas but it doesnt have enough votes to have any chance of winning
Plugo
Yeah, the other proposals are popular (hell i like some of them too) but early on we knew it would be a clash between mine and civs.
Viva Italia
Civs seems a good but different than yours
Plugo
Yeah, his idea is good on paper but a lot of us here a fed up with a big bureaucratic government system.
New Bacon
The governement is quite large. I think the number has to be lessened. Parakkas idea is good how I think it gives to much power to congress.
New Bacon, Plugo
I just noticed @patvarus has CTE'd...
Now that the news has came to us today is a day of mourning..
We will have a funeral for him tomorrow.
He will also be receiving the honorable vikings award.
New Bacon, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Viva Italia
RIP PATVARUS.
Malcholm, Civilisunio, Exotic Lemon
Apologies everyone,
I was a little sick yesterday. So here's my plan. I'll make a dispatch with this outline shortly.
Three branches of government:
*An eleven member Lunar Council which includes the Delegate, the President of the Lunar Council, and 9 other Lunar Councillors. This will be the executive and judicial branch. Two Lunar Councillors will be elected every month. Sentagon will be entirely eliminated. Plugo and the four members of Parliament will be brought into the Lunar Council.
*Direct Democracy (legislative branch) - Every resident nation eligible to vote will vote on regional laws. All votes are equal.
*Direct Democracy with a twist (second legislative branch) - Every resident nation eligible to vote will vote on regional laws. This is the same as above with the exception of one key element. WA members will get 5 votes and non-WA will get 1.
Both Legislative branches contain the same group of nations.
A member of the Lunar Council cannot be a member of the Legislative branch.
Sentagon will be entirely eliminated due to ineffectiveness. The Secretary Delegate office would be eliminated as well.
The ORCA Rep would NOT be a member of the Lunar Council and would vote with the Legislature. Just to be clear, there would be one legislative branch, but 2 methods of counting votes.
So think about this for awhile everyone. I'll try to check in tomorrow or Saturday night. I'll try to get to my telegrams tomorrow.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Plugo, who won the elections?
Post by Civilisunio suppressed by Plugo.
No one yet. 2 days untill We find out.
I will make a factbook with the results right now
Viva Italia
We have a vote going on for the changes right now though.
5 Votes for WA members is very outrageous and not democratic at all and i will do everything in my power to stop that from passing.
But the poll is still up? Is this a different election?
this is for government changes, we had an election for sentagon seats before this.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=685269
Forestavia
I see that. Carry on then.
I'll post an example tomorrow in my dispatch to explain it a little more. It is very democratic because the 5 vote thing would only happen with one branch out of three. I'll provide a concrete example so that everyone knows what I mean by it. There is a possibility I may not be online until Saturday evening, though.
Plugo
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Plugo, Viva Italia
Kick everyone out of sentagon except sentagon and the semiwan colonial empire, we need to make it so only registered members can be in sentagon.
You should also remove the password so the winning nations can be appointed.
(Unless we are waiting for the current poll to be over before we appoint them, since in some of the proposals sentagon and the lc are merged in which case the sentagon council wont exist)
Republic Of Greater Cuba
Done. I've kept the password up though. You can give the winners the password so that they can be appointed over there.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
Also [nation=short]Plugo[/nation],
I have no idea what powers to give the Parliamentary members. I just gave them everything but border control but if you had something else in mind just have New Bacon dismiss or add/remove authorities as needed.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
I'm glad to announce that I'm the new ambassador to the region Bunicken!
Forestavia, Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Civilisunio
how is it?
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Lampar, Plugo
It's going well.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba
The Order of Hospitallers has returned!
Malcholm, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
For how long? And welcome back
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Calatravan Knights
4ever
all my colledge cramping is done its easy stuff now.
i made a new nation though, this one is gonna be military and religious, my other ones in my pup storage
Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon
Welcome back. I am campaigning for the wa delegate
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo, Civilisunio
I endorse you btw
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
I will like to be in the sentagon. And join the capitalist party
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Plugo
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Sentagon is closed at the moment.
But I'm sure that the Capitalist party will gladly accept you.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Exotic Lemon
awesome! :^)
I will add you to both lists.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Hidimba
the region of sentagon is closed, not the branch
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Lampar, Naumadal
Oh, okay.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Naumadal
Good day. I am honored to be in the Parliament. I will try my best to discharge the duties you have bestowed upon me. I hope you will me be beside me whenever I need your help. You will hold me accountable when I am wrong. I also commit to you that I will serve out my entire term in office and will not run for any other office during my tenure.
Forestavia, Dosh Semiw, Malcholm, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo, Exotic Lemon
I was ejected from the sentagon. I don't think it is nice.
Republic Of Greater Cuba
We asked everyone to move out polietly the first time.
Sentagon is home to regional government, not a camping site for any nation.
Access to Sentagon will be restricted to registered members of sentagon, if you wish to register send me a tg.
Current sentagon member list: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plugo/detail=factbook/id=683084
Malcholm
I find it interesting that all members of the parliament are wa.
I wannabe in the sentagon
is this your main nation?
I am sorry that you felt this way. But it is not a region. It is a government branch. I would like to tell you that we want you here. We need your help to make this region great.
Malcholm, Plugo
Lol thats the nice version.
Off to bed goodnight all
Kazukame, Malcholm
Post self-deleted by Kazukame.
I think we should put up a password while the poll is up. Forestavia can you password it?
Kazukame
I find it interesting that almost all the current and former government voted plugo but all the brand new and "younger" nations vote civ. Only mug wop voted for civ, all other government a third party or plugo
Malcholm, Plugo
The majority of WA nations are also supporting civilsunio's proposal
Exotic Lemon
Yes. I will be joining the spectrum party.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio
Welcome to the spectrum party!:) I would love it if you would vote for my proposal in the poll. It would mean alot!:)
Kazukame, Republic Of Greater Cuba
half of the nations that have voted aren't even registered in sentagon.
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Lampar
We should have done it way earlier, it won't matter anyway though, after the results of the poll are done i will put the poll results side by side with the sentagon list to determine the actual number of votes
Parakka Northland
I still don't understand why civ's proposal is so good, his has my ministers idea in it, the main difference is that he keeps the "lunar council" which's only purpose is to veto laws that the ministers have made.
Civilisunio
That's a problem...
Tumetu-Iin Noyan, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia
I think it only serves as a check to the minister powers
Tumetu-Iin Noyan
On the contrary, The Lunar Council protects the citizens, protects their rights, and vetos laws. Inhad the minister idea written down before you did. Although you and others came up with the minister idea, I was the first to convey it.
Kazukame
That will be akin to suppressing the will of the majority. And rules being forced upon by the elite
Republic Of Greater Cuba, Civilisunio
your proposal has no president or leader of the council, a group of councilmen with no leader will be horrible.
Some of plugo's voters aren't registered either.
We can't just have anyone moving puppets in and voting in elections.
Kazukame, Alistia, Plugo, Civilisunio
Yes it does. The Ministry has the Delegate, and The Lunar-Sentagon Council has The Founder (Which is their to solve BIG problems).
The WA pop getting 2 votes is also a suppression of the majority, but you're not against that.
Kazukame, Plugo, Naumadal
There social classes here?
Plugo, Civilisunio
Lol nope
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Plugo
supposedly
Plugo, Naumadal
indeed that's true.
Considering that the sentagon voters act was passed with no opposition by sentagon, i would hardly say the "elite" (which you are a part of since your in parliament) is suppression the masses.
Kazukame, Republic Of Greater Cuba, Plugo
I think the voters act should be more strict, it is pretty obvious that on both sides some nations are puppets,
we have had over 5 nations move in here and vote in the poll, without commenting on the rmb or even answering an issue.
Forestavia, Plugo, Naumadal
We nee to stop voter fraud now. In fairness, why is it sentagons business to reform the lc? The lc isn't allowed to reform sentagon, but attempting to reform ourselves is suppression
Kazukame, Plugo, Parakka Northland, Naumadal
this is a reformation of the whole government, not juts one branch.
Malcholm
*just*
sentagon is also being reformed in some proposals though.
Post self-deleted by Exotic Lemon.
we honestly should just make it so only wa nations can vote, or with the exception of people doing a raid, if they show us their raiding nation that's in the WA.
Au912 Mystical Council Consulate, Exotic Lemon, Naumadal, Calatravan Knights
Avadam Inn, it looks pleasant.
Embassies, anyone?
Malcholm, Civilisunio
I agree. I will delete the poll when u get home
Naumadal
Yeah, I have one, because this nation got banned from WA.
Naumadal
There will be exceptions.
I am also banned from the wa for a 'indeterminate' amount of time (which is forever probably)
Lampar
But they ended permanet bans
Lampar, Plugo
Haha voted for the poll under the wrong nation whoops. :)
Plugo
Yeah, my sentence is about 250 days.
Plugo
They did in most cases, however because i have a "history of misconduct and rule violation" the moderation are allowed to give higher ban lengths at their digressions.
New Bacon
Lucky
New Bacon, Lampar
How long's yours?
Fix it then :)
I don't know, i think its forever.
Lampar
You can check by trying to apply again.
It tells you how long. Mine's 259 days.
Plugo
Mods haven't determined how long my sentance is yet.
New Bacon, Lampar
Ah, I see.
What'd you do?
New Bacon, Plugo
Just did. I voted under [nation=short]bacon central news[/nation] instead of my main.
Naumadal
Well, i used a wa nation on my pc and a wa nation on my phone once, to help a friend raid.
Also my "past flaming" of communist regions.
New Bacon, Lampar
Mine's about the same. I had 2 WA nations at the same time, they sent me warning telegrams, but I didn't think they would do anything.
New Bacon
That sucks. You were once delegate here right?
New Bacon, Plugo
As a matter of fact [nation=short]plugo[/nation] was delegate before I stepped in.
Plugo, Exotic Lemon
For a couple times yeah, probably 2-3 times.
It mainly sucks though because they are punishing me for past deeds that haven't happened for a while.
I mean they made an excuse to delete my nation nordrlond for stuff that usually gets warnings, doesn't make since to then wa ban me later too.
New Bacon
Well maybe I will step in next, I am campaigning for the delegacy
New Bacon
I'm waiting on that to come. :)
Plugo
Our wa delegate history is a small list lol.
Knights, Me, Bacon, Netherfar and malcholm for a day or two.
Malcholm
You were nordrlond?
New Bacon, Malcholm, Plugo
12-29-15 - 5-11-16
New Bacon
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