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Region: The Mystical Council
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
Thanks i approved it
Ill take the position if Parakka doesn't want it
Truxol
THE HOLY EMPIRE OF SANJIKURISA HUMBLY REQUESTS THAT EVERYONE DO A HAPPY DANCE IN HONOR OF ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Truxol
Forestavia didnt help in the plan i think, more of just kind of gave gyuamno a type of encouragement
That is exactly what I think he has done. After all there isn't any actual "planning". It's not like an organized foreign raid. It's just screw everything up and stamp over all the rights of the people, after getting permission and instruction to do so from the emperor. This is exactly what Forest has done with past delegates and past chaos weeks. That's why it's important to punish Forest and punish him severely for this. Punishing [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation] alone would be a reasonable action, but it's important to take down [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] to ensure he doesn't do this yet again with future delegates.
I'm happy to let Viva take it though as acting Emperor I would like to be kept informed of the trial as it progresses.
Viva Italia
Post self-deleted by Alistia.
mugwop should take the seat since he is pursuing a case.
No Viva is okay. Just to make sure there is no bias.
Parakka Northland
You aren't acting emperor.You are the full emperor
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
That is the biggest conflict of interest I have ever heard.
Forestavia, Truxol
In the event I lose the defense minister campaign, I would still like to help forest, parakka, and anybody else defend the region in any way I can.
Forestavia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Vote is now 6 - 5 (one doesn't count) and you have not voted for yourself.
Yeah yeah, Viva is judge.
Truxol, Exotic Lemon
I hate voting for myself. In the event it ties, which it probably will, either parakka or forest will use their tiebreaker vote, and they both voted forest.
New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Tie it then
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Not quite. Emperor is currently defined as being... well it's murky. Parakka is head of state now, but not really emperor.
Alright so hopefully for the final time the judges are the following: [nation=short]VIVA_iTALIA[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], and [nation=short]truxol[/nation].
If I may remind the judges, here are the list of crimes that the defendant [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] has orchestrated, and has plotted for them to be carried out by his lawyer [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation]:
1) Unjustly banning several citizens of our region
2) Destroying the regional factbook
3) Destroying an election poll and hindering democracy
4) Dismissing legally elected officials
5) Suppressing the free speech of the citizens of the region
Now yesterday the defendant [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] tried to blame his lawyer [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] solely, instead of himself for the recent attack on the region's civil rights during chaos week, and when questioned about the matter, the lawyer and the defendant tried to stall and impede any attempts of a deposition, and hinder investigation. That as why from this point on, we proceed that [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] executed out his criminal acts of destruction at the encouragement and approval of Emperor [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]. Emperor [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] has acted as such criminal puppet master multiple times in the past. This is a head of state who uses the members of the goverment as pawns to burn down the region for his own entertainment. [B]This cycle of destruction must come to an end.[/B]
This series of treasonous attacks was the worst that has ever been committed by a citizen of this region against The Mystical Council, far more severe than when [nation=short]Civilisunio[/nation] banned only 1 person or when [nation=short]VIVA_iTALIA[/nation] banned only 1 as well. In fact, this is the worst attack against The Mystical Council since the foreign invasion by The Red Fleet
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[B]The prosecution statements are as follows:
[/B]
The need to prosecute defendant [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] comes not only for him inciting chaos and mess in the region, but for him doing these acts simply for his own cyncial entertainment.
This is not the first time he has done it, but we should prosecute him so that it becomes the last. Numerous times before he has done this "chaos week" shenanigans. [B]He never does the dirty work himself[/B], he just gives command and permission as the Emperor to a subordinate delegate to go around banning and suppressing people, this is a sign of a manipulator. Some of you might feel that [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] should be the target of prosecution, but prosecuting [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] alone doesn't matter, because in the future Forest will just do this same mess again using another delegate. That is why the prosecution must be against [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] first and foremost. We should first go after the master, not the puppet.
Moreover, [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] has intentionally allowed the founder Oakplumingtonto CTE just to put the region in a state of danger. This is further testament and proof that from time to time he likes to put the region in a state of anarchy, while he sits back and laughs as turmoil unfolds.
In essence it has been documented, and the judges can be witnesses and recall past chaos weeks that have been incited by the Emperor, that Emperor [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] is like Emperor Nero who burned down Rome. Both seem to enjoy torturing their citizens and devastating their own lands, for the selfish act of their own sadistic entertainment. It is absolutely sickening.
Now the defendant has claimed that he has good intentions and acted in such way only to "increase regional activity". That is a lie. A person who cares for this region and wants it active, finds positive means of doing so, not attempt to turn us from a democracy into an anarchist dictatorship and watch the people run around "being active" when in fact the people are running around because they and the region have been set on fire by the wishes of [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]. This further attacks the region and leaves people asking "if our Emperor doesn't care about the well being of the region, why should we?"
This is compounded by the fact that [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] has been looked up to as the guardian pillar of the region, our emperor and protector, so for him to act in such manner and absolutely violate our trust, makes this the absolute betrayal. In fact I personally looked up to Forest more than any other, and now he has shattered my trust and the trust of my fellow region mates in him.
[B][nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] has explicitly demonstrated that not only is he incapable of being the benevolent protecting emperor of this region, but in fact he is the malevolent author of our destruction[/B]. And that is why we seek a harsh punishment against the defendant, to strip him of the power to harm the region in such way ever again.
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[B]This brings us to the punishments[/B], for the crimes of betraying the region and orchestrating the worst attacks in the history of The Mystical Council, the prosecution asks for the following:
[B]1.[/B] Abolishing the office of Emperor from [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]/Oakplumington, such that [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] will no longer directly (through the founder Oakplumington) or indirectly (by means of using others as his tools) attack, manipulate, destroy, or change anything with The Mystical Council, unless [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] is legally authorized by the legal and native executives of our goverment, to repel a raid attempt. This is the most important key to ensure this most recent attack never happens again.
[B]2.[/B] The prosecution also asks for [B]one[/B] of the following:
A) [B]The permanent ban[/B] of the nation [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] from the region (his other puppets are not to be banned) and the permanent barring of [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] from serving in the goverment, through any nation of his. However, should [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], through any nation of his, become delegate, then in the 6 months following the verdict of this case, he will be recognized as an illegal and non-native delegate, and his actions deemed invalid and the region should act to remove him from office. Following the 6 month period, he may be recognized as a legal delegate.
B) [B]A six month ban of[/B] the nation [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] from the region (his other puppets are not to be banned) and the permanent barring of [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and his co-conspirator lawyer [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] from serving in the goverment, through any nation of theirs. However, should [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] or [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation], through any nation of theirs, become delegate, then in the 6 months following the verdict of this case, they will be recognized as an illegal and non-native delegate, and their actions deemed invalid and the region should act to remove them from office. Following the 6 month period, they may be recognized as a legal delegate.
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Lastly, the prosecution wishes the The Judical Council to propose a law to explicitly outline that henceforth, the Viceroy (native delegate) is the region's official head of state. And that the Viceroy is expected to take on the responsibilities given to the defunct Emperor postion, however the Viceroy is to act within the laws of the region, and for the betterment of the region, and not act maliciously as the Emperor has done, otherwise they will be subject to the criminal prosecution of the region's Judical Council.
Documentation of this case can be found here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mugwop/detail=factbook/id=837368
Wouldn't a simple solution would be demand he brings back Oak, or be punished?
Exotic Lemon
Doesnt that seem a little excessive?
Parakka Northland
The main crime is not him letting Oak CTE. That is a secondary issue to further proof his sadism and love for creating chaos. His main crime is making delegates attack our region, through his attacks of "chaos weeks" the most recent of which he used [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] to carry it out. Forest must be punished severely and his office of emperor destroyed so that he may never do this to us again.
As I said, Forestavia has explicitly demonstrated that not only is he incapable of being the benevolent protecting emperor of this region, but in fact he is the malevolent author of our destruction. And that is why we seek a harsh punishment against the defendant, to strip him of the power to harm the region in such way ever again.
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
[nation=short]forestavia[/nation] I need you to respond to the telegram I sent ages ago.
All laws are found here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=747154 if there are 2 conflicting laws, general rule of thumb is whichever is the newest is what's valid, and when a matter is not addressed by law, it is addressed by the current Judical Council through a review.
New Bacon, Parakka Northland
Yeah I found it sorry.
[nation=short]parakka_northland[/nation], [nation=short]Viva_italia[/nation], [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation], and [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation] would you all like to remain on the Geological Survey Board?
Gyuamno, Barishmacht, Truxol, Viva Italia
We reject [nation=short]Viva_Italia[/nation] to act as the judge citing a conflict of interest - he was directly involved during the events the occurred.
[nation=short]New_Bacon[/nation], [nation=short]Truxol[/nation]: Request that [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation] acts as the temporary judge.
Truxol
If it's still possible, yes.
Yeah you can't dictate whichever judge to pick just so you manipulate the case however you want. The decision is up to Delegate and PM, and it has been decided. The case continues. If you still want to reject that, fine, but the case will continue nonetheless.
You're so delusional. Twist the case? I'm making it as neutral as possible. [nation=short]Viva_Italia[/nation] probably was impacted the most by the events, and you want him as the judge? Get a grip.
I'll request it
Gyuamno
[B]EVEROYNE[/B] was impacted by the horrible crime that you and Forest have committed.
Well I request that the Judges make sure that the defendant does not manipulate the case. If you and [nation=short]New_Bacon[/nation] want to review the matter between the PM and the Delegate, then feel free to do so and I respect your decision, but please do not allow the defendant to arm twist you.
[nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] has a point, he did remove a number of people and ban them (even if it was temporarily). However, I trust that our PM will act impartial. That being said I cannot ignore a request from a judge, so yes, it looks like I will have to take over from [nation=short]Viva_Italia[/nation]
Gyuamno, Truxol, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia
Alright so long as you remain impartial and remember that despite the fact that [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] is your friend and mine, he still has to be brought to justice for orchestrating the worst series of crimes against the region.
I have edited the case dispatch to reflect to final final final final judge lineup https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mugwop/detail=factbook/id=837368
From now on there should be no more changes on the judges lineup, until the case is over, no matter what. Let's have at least one element in this case that's fixed.
Gyuamno
Alive and well, I assure you.
A mutiny! It's hardly been a week!
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
*cracks knuckles*
Time to slap some wrists. Who wants to start the line, Forest or Gyuamno?
Gyuamno, Forestavia
Well we waited and waited for you. The final final final final absolute final judge line up for the case is now [nation=short]Parakka_Northland[/nation], [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation], and [nation=short]Truxol[/nation]. You are still the JB president of course just not presiding on this case.
On another note the Minister of Defense Election poll has ended with 6-7 for Lemon, + one non-citizen vote for Forest, so Lemon is minister starting July 1st.
Gyuamno
lol sure
New Bacon
Right there is an ongoing case of the land and its people and their former head of the domestic security agency, v.s the corrupt head of state.
The Mystical Council and former Domestic Minister [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] against the corrupt leader [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation]? Nope! I am talking about The United States and former FBI director James Comey against the corrupt leader Donald Trump.
Malcholm
haha oops lol https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=837647
I guess Malcholm was on top of things after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ here's the nearly-final copy of the case file pending review and approval from my fellow judges. Where'd that come from?
Btw, let's get a trial time set. I like the sound of tonight or tomorrow night EST, w/Mugwop present on behalf of the region and Gyuamno +1 should be present on behalf of Forestavia, seeing as I nullified Gyuamno's activity in the case altogether. [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], you have about 13 hours to hire a new lawyer. I [I]will[/I] be overseeing this case as I was the judge who took it up in the first place. Be there or be square.
Forestavia, New Bacon, Parakka Northland
As Malcholm is active and the case hasn't started yet, there is no reason to not allow him to preside on the case.
New Bacon, Malcholm
Yes
New Bacon, Truxol
I have no problem with the change
Truxol
lmao u can't dismiss a lawyer big boi
Forestavia, Truxol
i. Neither the defense nor the plaintiff may contract nor accept aid from solicitors who are currently under investigation, facing trial, or pending trial by the Judicial Council.
I'm suing [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] for libel. Since Mugwop is now under investigation and pending trial, he can not act as solicitor for the plaintiff. Just following your new "rule" ;)
Malcholm
[nation=short]malcholm[/nation]
Malcholm
I agree with Mugwop, you've had ample time to participate in the case. We've decided on a neutral judge lineup - which doesn't include you.
new article up!
Gyuamno
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=837647 why does it say [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] is judge? I thought it was [nation=short]truxol[/nation]
New Bacon, Truxol
Yes but only if you think i have something to bring to the table.
New Bacon, Truxol
Post self-deleted by Malcholm.
Well I'm quite sure you do. You have that right under the basic rights of nations, which means you have the right to be on the board. TMC law overrides New Bacon Law based off hierarchy. The GSB is the same as the SA map commitee but the GSB is much older though, you basically do the same thing, approve or disapprove map claims.
[nation=short]gyuamno[/nation] again, you have that right in the basic rights of nations to be in this board because it involves a map. I can't kick you off because you are on trial. But if your banished from the region you will be kicked off because your not under the jurisdiction of TMC law. But because your under the jurisdiction of TMC law, that is a right.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]malcholm[/nation] quick question:
Is it [nation=short]barishmacht[/nation] or [nation=short]truxol[/nation] that is supposed to be the other judge?
Malcholm
You'll notice that it hasn't been passed by the majority of the court, meaning that you're technically still good to go despite my former statement, my apologies, I was ahead of myself, however I will be motioning the other judges to bar you from the court hearing.
I don't believe that's your or Mugwop's decision to make, seeing as neither of you currently serve the court or the government in any capacity. The plaintiff and defense don't hold the liberty of circumventing the established court of law and the rightfully elected panel of judges just because they feel like things are moving too slowly. That's not a good precedent for the region to set.
New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
[nation=short]alistia[/nation] check your telegrams sometime tonight for your court subpoena.
Truxol, my bad.
New Bacon, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Sorry, I can't go to the court hearings because Führer Malcholm says no?
Malcholm, Truxol
Sign on more than once a week and we wouldn't have this problem [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation]. You knew this trial was approaching.
Truxol
Wowee. That's a lot...
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Truxol, Exotic Lemon
You have to turn your telegrams back on. Can you resend it?
New Bacon, Truxol
If I can't have Gyuamno, then I will be forced to represent myself before the Lunar Council. For what reason is it that Gyuamno cannot represent me?
Gyuamno
Added more to The Regional Alliance treaty
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=malazan_imperium/detail=factbook/id=775185
Forestavia, Malcholm
Welcome! :)
They are back on.
Truxol
I think the criminals can represent themselves in court. This should be fine.
And I updated my prosecution statement for the judges... again https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mugwop/detail=factbook/id=837368
Jesus Christ. Okay. But I want the PM to agree on this one. There has been too many judge changes.
Your crimes are never ending.
Did the corrupt leader Donald Trump collude with the communist Russians in interfere with US politics?
Did the corrupt leader [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] collude with the communist Red Fleet in interfere with TMC politics?
Malcholm
I assure you, there was no collusion of any sort.
This is exactly what Donald Trump is saying.
Next think we will find out you hired hookers to urinate celery water on you.
Um. I assure you that I would never pervert the sacred vegetable in such a way.
*Thinks about looming trial*
*sips tea philosophically*
Gyuamno
Well for someone who is so adamant about being on the case, [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] hasn't been on in over 5 hours... I would like to have the case start within the coming hours. With or without him.
Truxol
BUT FIRST: [nation=short]Mugwop[/nation] would you be interested in plea bargaining before we head to trial?
Post your statement here and we will see.
Gyuamno
Excellent, I'll wait for [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation] and see if a deal is possible.
Forestavia
I will approve if he is online when we want the tri.If not Parakka can step in.And if he can't I will
Parakka Northland
We should wait for Malcholm. He is the Lunar Council President and should have the power that comes with that position.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Parakka is emperor, sinple
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
No. No more delays. You make a bargain with [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] and post your offer A.S.A.P. If you want to wait, then we just go straight for trial and no deals.
Impeach him, dont try to usurp his title illegally.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Forestavia will make no deal, the trial shall begin.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Yes let's take another 3 days because someone doesn't come online when they are needed *eye roll*
Parakka Northland
Bias doesnt matter, your bias is based on the law
They're probably busy with other stuff. I wasn't on at all yesterday. Let's cut them some slack and set an actual date an time.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Alternatively, what we could do is we could have the trial over a period of time. Do it in chunks over in the back up so that we can get it started that way all the judges, me, Mugwop, my lawyer (hopefully), and the witnesses can be present when possible for them.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I am curious to see how the trial will turn out.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
Me too. This is the highest profile trial that's ever happened in our region.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Yeah you would love more delays wouldn't you. No.
Mal has given his take here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=837647 now we wait on [nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] and [nation=short]Truxol[/nation] to discuss it with him.
1. Being that the Judicial Council has established precedent and the necessity that justice be served, Malcholm, J.C., hereby declares the following as a recommended course of action to remedy the situation at hand;
i. [nation=short+noflag]Forestavia[/nation]'s established title of "Emperor" is hereby stripped from them and abolished so as to prevent future abuses of power, and;
ii. [nation=short+noflag]Forestavia[/nation], via [nation=short+noflag]Oakplumington[/nation], now contractually holds an obligation to protect the region they founded with it's founding nation, and;
iii. [nation=short+noflag]Forestavia[/nation], the nation which is tied to the founder of The Mystical Council, should be sentenced to two months banishment from the region and may not serve in the government in any capacity for two months following the termination of their banishment, and;
iv. [nation=short+noflag]Oakplumington[/nation] is to be promptly revived, relocated back into The Mystical Council, and actively maintained by it's owner, or;
v. The credentials to [nation=short+noflag]Oakplumington[/nation] must be handed over to [nation=short+noflag]Malcholm[/nation] who, as an established upper-ranking member of The Grey Wardens and chancellor of the Defender Unification Treaty Organization, holds a solemn duty to protect the region outside of their normal defender obligations, being that it's at risk of becoming a founder-less raider hot-spot.
The prosecution accepts these charges with the following amendments:
1. That #ii is made more explicit such that [nation=short+noflag]Oakplumington[/nation] must hastily act on the advice of the native Minister of Defense, the native Prime Minister, and the last native Delegate, to protect the region against any planned or on going raid attempts.
2. On #iii, the ban is extended from 2 months to 3 months, and affects all nations belonging to [nation=short]Forestavia[/nation], except [nation=short+noflag]Oakplumington[/nation].
3. That co-conspirator [nation=short]Gyuamno[/nation] and all of his nations are banned from the goverment, but not region, for a period of 3 months.
Furthermore, the prosecution wishes the The Judical Council to propose a law to explicitly outline that henceforth, the Viceroy (native delegate) is the region's official head of state. And that the Viceroy is expected to take on the responsibilities given to the defunct Emperor postion (the ones that are not connected to inherently being the founder) such as appointing a member of goverment when need be, or breaking an election tie and such forth. However the Viceroy is to act within the laws of the region, and for the betterment of the region, and not act maliciously as the Emperor has done, otherwise they will be subject to the criminal prosecution of the region's Judical Council as well.
If you want to set another date and time if Malcholm is a no show, then whatever works. I believe Mugwop, myself, and a few others were under the impression it would be today. That is why we were scrambling trying to find a third judge.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Yeah I want to see a bloodbath today! Burn the forest! Execute the traitor! I mean, um, I want to see the trial.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Parakka Northland
In the event that I am found guilty, I will comply with all of the Lunar Council's orders with the exception of iv and v. It would be a horrible government overreach and a violation of my rights to be ordered to hand oak over. The Mystical Council is far too precious a region to put in anyone else's hands other than mine. It is interesting that you make the claim that I like to destroy my own region. But I have already said too much. I will wait for the appropriate time to speak further on this point.
Alistia, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I would like to question the authenticity of our Judicial President. [nation=short]Malcholm[/nation] already seems to be condemning my client before even hearing the trial. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=837647
Unfair!
Forestavia
I agree, I do not believe you should have to hand oak over. However, I think you probably should revive him.
Parakka Northland
That is a good point! What's up with that Malcholm??
*Stirs pot*
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
*Tests durability of rope.*
Gotta make sure this is really strong. I want to make sure this noose is fully functional for the big day!
Gyuamno, Parakka Northland
Not really. Quick and painless is more my style. I don't want any mishaps with this hanging. I'd prefer firing squad to the noose.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
On malcholms dispatch it says June 11th (tommorow) on discord is where the trial will take place. Is all this suspense for nothing?
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
His dispatch is completely inaccurate. It says the trial has occurred over the past few days, it hasn't even started.
The JB President gave you [B]the choice of [/B]
iv. [nation=short+noflag]Oakplumington[/nation] is to be promptly revived, relocated back into The Mystical Council, [B]and actively maintained by it's owner, or;[/B]
v. The credentials to [nation=short+noflag]Oakplumington[/nation] must be handed over to [nation=short+noflag]Malcholm[/nation] who, as an established upper-ranking member of The Grey Wardens and chancellor of the Defender Unification Treaty Organization, holds a solemn duty to protect the region outside of their normal defender obligations, being that it's at risk of becoming a founder-less raider hot-spot.
The prosecution recommends you take choice iv instead of v.
Malcholm
My computer can't handle discord. I know it sounds ridiculous but this laptop is on life support. It's gotta be somewhere where I can be or there can be no trial.
Gyuamno, Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
Yeah I dont have discord either. I really dont want it even though people are always telling me to get it.
Gyuamno, Forestavia, Parakka Northland
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