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Region: The Mystical Council
Teurs held the delegacy for 60 days.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
did he? I was gone for most of his reign.
Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol
Yes!
Alistia, Truxol
[nation=short]exotic lemon[/nation] check the history. 62 days to be exact
Alistia, Truxol
aint nobody got time fo dat!
I was updating this:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_mystical_council_news_agency/detail=factbook/id=788274
Truxol, Civilisunio
You held it for more than 50. I think parakka held it for more than 50.
Truxol, Parakka Northland
no I had it for 37.
New Bacon, Truxol
Post self-deleted by New Bacon.
Boy check your history books.
Civilisunio
😒
New Bacon, Malcholm
This wasn't a first time situation I should point out
I think i held it for about 30 odd days but I could be well be wrong. Would be interesting if we could see previous delegates.
Alistia, New Bacon, Truxol
I'm still not getting input from you people. What happens when a goverment officer becomes a delegate.
1. The two people simply switch positions, with the old delegate taking the old goverment position of the new delegate.
2. Elections for the goverment postion is held right away. By default the new delegate cannot run for his old position as he has already refused it.
3. Another nation should serve as a temporary replacement in the old goverment position, until the new delegate is no longer delegate and returns to their old job, or next election cycle; whichever comes first. Who should the temporary replacement nation be? The founder? A minister? A judicial councilor? Discuss.
4. The old office postion is simply left vacant awaiting the next election cycle (could be up to 3 months)
Truxol, Exotic Lemon
I think a combination of 1 and 2 would be a good idea. The old delegate temporarily takes control of the position for the few days needed to replace the position with an election. If another election is up, they hold on to it for a little extra time without completely throwing off the election schedule. Its highly unlikely they hold the position for more than a week, and it replaces the problem of 3, regarding who deserves the temporary position. 4 is not efficient because it can leave an office open for up to three months.
Truxol
Problem is, there might be a back and forth delegate switching.
There is of course 1 more solution, but I don't know about it:
5. Put the delegate position up on election and establish an endorsement cap.
Parakka Northland
That may be neccesary if delegates keep changing.However I agree with Exotics post in theory however I don't know about its practicality
Truxol, Parakka Northland
Why don't we make it so that government officials CAN ALSO serve as delegate? Maybe the delegacy can be a special exception to the rule of not holding more than one office. That way anyone with WA can be delegate but only those who are elected can hold the other offices.
The rule could state that no government officer may be elected to more than one office. The delegate would be a special exception since they are not elected by votes but by endorsements.
Exotic Lemon
I like options 1 and 2 though option 1 would need to be looked at on the off chance the new delegate was replaced with someone who wasn't in government. Would the new delegate get his old government position back or not. I presume it would but my point is it would need clarifying. But a definite combination of the two would work well in my view
of course. What would your idea be though? Trying to bounce ideas around, not roast you here.
Truxol
I think that all government officials can only hold one office including the Delegate.I think having people doing two jobs even if it is only allowed for the delegate is not a good idea
Alistia, Truxol, Parakka Northland
I'm not a fan of that as by having separation it allows others who don't always get into government (for whatever reason) to make a name for themselves so to speak, and enables more participation in the region.
That might be an idea, but it does run counter to the regions ethos. Of course, we could remove executive authority from the position and make it less attractive to have, as a sixth option
In terms of the delegate changing a way to fix it may be that the Delegate can hold office for 5 days and then must resign their other position.
In fact we could remove all powers as with the way the region has been organised it doesn't have much use in terms of a role other than acting founder when Forest isn't around
What if they were good at multitasking? Only a good multitasker could be trusted with that much power.
Viva Italia
I stand still by my previous point in regards to keeping it to one person per job will help to increase region participation
Forestavia
Indeed.
I have been thinking that perhaps we make the Delegate a ceremonial role.However that does go against tradition
Oh no. Anything but that! I founded this region to escape delegate elections and endorsement caps in the first place. It will be a dark day indeed if we enact such a policy.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
I dont know about anyone else who was delegate, but when I was delegate it was extremely stressful. Constantly addressing and trying to fix issues, keep the region running, and still participate was very difficult. I cannot imagine trying to run that and be in another government office. Even if they were good at multitasking.
That was because you were trying to do every single government minister job when it wasn't your place to do so. Not trying to have a good just stating my perspective on the subject. When I was Delegate if it a Minister job I allowed them todo it. I only stepped in when needed
ouch.
Ok so then we need to schedule destressifying vacation time for someone who is really, really good at multitasking.
Exotic Lemon
Sorry man didn't mean to seem like I was hating on you
Exotic Lemon
However Exotic did have that Naumadal thing to deal with.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland
Blasted auto correct
thats fine. I can't say I was a good delegate, but I think I did a somewhat decent job. Although in fairness, there wasn't really a government when I was delegate. I hear your reign was pretty good, if relatively short.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
I can't even remember what that was (been so long ago) can I have a summary please if possible?
A long time ago, when we were a baby region, we did number 1. It seems the simplest thing to do.
Parakka Northland
I never said you were a bad delegate. You certainly made things interesting. My time wasn't that bad, mind it depends on which one your referring too, had a coupe to deal with over a few of them haha
Exotic Lemon
Forest appointed that dumb 13 person government, everyone hated it so teurs, rondaland, plugo, and naumadal all revolted. Naumadal demanded my resignation, I gave in and let him take the delegacy for a day(I had been delegate for 3 days) , where he enacted a harsh military dictatorship. I took it back and appointed a temporary government, we then had a somewhat heated argument on what to do, we forgave each other, and then I quit for a while.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
I wasn't trying to say you did. I accept that I was not the best delegate. But thats the past, who knows, maybe I will run again.
Parakka Northland
Naumadal overthrew an emergency government that I instated. He also broke up Lemon's reign for a couple days. Lemon was 38, Naumadal was 39, and Lemon was 40.
Alistia, Parakka Northland
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exotic_lemon/detail=factbook/id=688704 this has some info on it, but it was my campaign, not a summary.
Parakka Northland
It was quite brilliant actually but THOSE REVOLUTIONARIES didn't give it a chance to work. Naumadal's ghost still haunts our region to this day.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
I accidentally encouraged the revolution. Ironically, the guy who overthrew me as delegate was the guy who nominated me for my term as a lunar councilor (back when they were way more powerful)
Alistia, Parakka Northland
The Secound I read the first 10 words I remembered instantly the entire sorry affair
Alistia, Exotic Lemon
we had quite an argument back then
Parakka Northland
though it was mostly my fault.
Oh yes over the case of the authoritarian removal of the democratically elected government
Exotic Lemon
It's in the past. Who cares who's fault it might have been
Exotic Lemon
The Lunar Council will one day return to glory. We will manipulate Bacon's constitution using every loophole possible to do it but do it we will.
Alistia, Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Viva Italia
Post self-deleted by Viva Italia.
That funny because it's true
Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
The Lunar council did make things different here and interesting
Forestavia, Malcholm
Okay, so I guess we can narrow things down to these two ideas:
1. The two people simply switch positions, with the old delegate taking the old goverment position of the new delegate.
2. Allow the delegate to hold another office.
I personally now support 2. The delegate position doesn't hold any specific tasks. It's just an administrative position. Both the PM and Judicial President have more real roles within the governments.
Forestavia, Exotic Lemon
Wowza I missed a lot.
Malcholm, Exotic Lemon
Then....
Barishmact sweeps the delegacy right from under their feet!
Forestavia, New Bacon, Malcholm
No and no. Not unless there is little participation and that a seat needs to be filled.
Parakka Northland
So you would rather the switch roles in the goverment?
New Bacon
Here is a third option
You can only hold one position however in regards to the Delegacy,you only have to resign your previous position if you retain your position for a set amount of days (preferably 5)
That doesn't really fix the issue, it's just a less worse version of what we have right now.
Say you get the delegate position right now, and after 5 days by default you lose the Minister of Culture position. Now there is a lot of uncertainty in the delegate position, so on the 6th day the old delegate gets back his position. What happens now: a) you are not in the goverment, b) we don't a have a minister of culture until next election.
Sure but we just don't need to hog the seats up if someone wants to participate, that's all I'm saying.
Parakka Northland
Dear Comrades!
I am pleased to announce the newest regional party!
Today is a glorious day, in conjunction with close allies, we the proletariat, establish the Mystical Communist Party!
Here is to a Brighter and Red-er future.
Forestavia, Malcholm, Truxol
And all of Lord [nation=short]mugwop[/nation]'s children say..... WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!
Parakka Northland
I gotta resign from the WA for reasons and so I'm sorry to those who looked forward to the coup of cheesey nips.
Barishmacht, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I think you have to keep in mind that if you want to be delegate there has to be an acceptance of risk involved in becoming delegate if you already hold a position. We all know how unstable the position is and as such if we choose to take it then after 48 hours you automatically lose your old position. If you then lose the delegate you could reapply for your old position like others till it's next due for its scheduled election. Problem solved.
Obviously the old ministry position will be up for election to complete the term
Forestavia
Wait a sec, I thought I had the eternal grace of the Emporer. What happened? My WA is out on an op, I'll TG Parakka.
Parakka Northland
Also, sorry for not responding to the ping [nation=short]gyuamno[/nation] 😜 I was on a short NS leave so I could focus on work and play some co-op games with my buds. Good on you for getting on without me, I'm more glad that I wasn't included than I would be if I were. Mugwop has my full support for his bid for Domestic Affairs Minister.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon, Mugwop
We now have 20 articles on TMC Weekly News!
I was thinking that a Minister of Culture election would happen immediately if a vacancy was to arise and who is elected would serve the rest of term.In regards to being out of government as Parakka said I think that in becoming Delegate you accept the risk.
Parakka Northland
My wa may be moved out as well for the battle guard. Sorry if this messes up the delegate, but I believe I endorsed everyone so I don't think it will.
Truxol
Hey everyone. Want to hear my campaign? I thought so.
If i were to be elected minister of domestic affairs i would strive to add a new meaning to the position and enforce what my predecessors did not. I plan to work with our defense minister ro further help the defcons mold into the domestic affairs position as well so that everyone knows what to do and i can better enforce those whom decide not to. Unlike my opponent i will enforce everything that needs to be enforced to make sure that we are safe, efficient, and nice. I hope to increase our authority and set some precedents for future domestic ministers to come.
Thanks for your time, Civ.
Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
[nation=short]New Bacon[/nation] remind me Roavin is.
I don't know what to tell you man, but thanks for the support.
Malcholm
My campaign statement is this:
I have no sensationalism to sell you about me. I just do what needs to be done to fix things around here, and if you like my work, I hope you can support me. That's about it.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland, Viva Italia
It probably still does but when I compiled the list I went on the information I had at hand which wasn't much tbh
Malcholm
Check with Forest then.
It's cool Malcolm has been in touch.
Malcholm
I couldn't understand your text you want me to tell you who [nation=short]roavin[/nation] is? He was a former nation in this region known as Mystical Roavin remember? I telegrammed him already to see if he would put TMC on the list and he has not done it yet.
Correct that we are in the list.
Malcholm
Ahhhhh. So he wants to go to TartarSauce's Discord? What is a TartarSauce? Is it a region or a group or is it an actual sauce?
wheeeeeew, The Dominion Of Tartarus, Hydra and Firehelm's lovechild.
Hmmm well those guys are new. So why is Roavin obsessed with them?
Civilisunio
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=86377
Oh no! None of my ideas are popular! I got the double "no" in two separate regions in the same day. lol!
Gyuamno, Malcholm, Parakka Northland
My suggestion is, if we go without a government position until next election we should at least give someone, whether the Delegate or Prime Minister or even the Lunar Council, the power to appoint someone in place of the empty spot. That way we don't have half of our seats unfilled for three months because we keep electing a different Delegate every week.
Malcholm
Or we could the above. That works too.
Ignore my previous post everyone. Looks like this issue was already addressed. I like this better. It's a little more democratic.
Malcholm, Parakka Northland
If we are forced to appoint someone, it has to be you who does it.
Parakka Northland
Problem is, this could happened back and forth. Do we have an election every time there's an exchange in power?
Damn it. I have been trying to drop my Civil Rights for so long. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mugwop/detail=trend It's just not budging.
Forestavia, Malcholm
That sounds good. So let me restate to make sure I understand. We'll have an immediate follow up election but if for some reason we are not able to have a follow up election for the empty spot then I'll appoint someone.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
That is another good point. I think we should try to. But if there is a period of instability say for about a week or longer then maybe I can step in and appoint someone to the office until we have an elected officer.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Precisely. I believe we should appoint a judge though if anything. They don't do much these days and it would be good for them.
Forestavia, Parakka Northland, Exotic Lemon
I believe it's fine to have an election as long as it's five days after to get the awareness out, allow the person to evaluate their position, etc.
Exotic Lemon
Those days disappeared when we adopted the new system. I miss those days.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Oh, yeah. Ok so how about this:
I appoint someone temporarily until we have the election that way there's enough time for people to sign up and campaign and whatnot.
Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Sounds great. :)
Parakka Northland
It's because civil rights are no longer applicable in your nation. All the citizens died by volcano. They all loved Lord Mugwop so much.
Gyuamno, Truxol, Parakka Northland
Discord is back up for me.
Malcholm, Truxol, Civilisunio, Parakka Northland
Congrats to Mugwop on being elected!Also RIP Rondaland
Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
We need to organise another funeral in honour of Rondaland
Malcholm, Truxol
Lol nah :p
Ive just been using borbun
New Bacon, Malcholm, Truxol, Parakka Northland
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