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Region: The Mystical Council
For now I'm going to give everyone in this region maximum power (whatever that means) until I figure out what I'm doing and how all this works just follow these basic rules otherwise the wrath of New Bacon and I will swoop down upon you, i.e., you will lose whatever powers you abused.
1. You can eject a nation for good reason but you may NOT ban them. The reason must be stated on the RMB. For example, "I ejected so and so during a raid attempt." You can RP the reason, too. For example, "The government of [your nation name] launched a counter attack against [such and such nation] for attempting to invade The Mystical Council." Be as creative as you wish. This gives the ejected nation the ability to return so that they may defend themselves before the Lunar Council.
1b. No banning nations without 3/5 approval from the Lunar Council plus approval of the Delegate.
2. No passwords without 3/5 approval from the Lunar Council plus approval of the Delegate.
3. No cancelling embassies without 3/5 approval from the Lunar Council plus approval of the Delegate or Interregional Council.
4. Do not remove the ability of embassies to post on our RMB without 3/5 approval from the Lunar Council plus approval of the Delegate or the Interregional Council.
5. No suppressing posts. The one exception is if there is a tasteless post that goes way over the line you can suppress in that case.
6. Other than that, you can do whatever you want. You know, tags, flags, polls, welcome telegram, dispatches, WFE, proposing and authorizing construction of embassies, map-making, etc.
7. Since we're so small it's ok to be in the Delegate's Cabinet and serve on the Lunar Council at the same time. The Delegate still cannot be on the Lunar Council though.
I'm just going to start us off with maximum freedom and authority. If we get in each other's way too much or if we're stepping on each other's toes then we'll figure something out. We can divide up the powers and organize it a little bit more or whatever.
Monotheistic Deities
Post self-deleted by Oakplumington.
New poll everyone. Let me know how you feel about Border Control.
Personally, I think we would be a more secure region if I took border control from everyone. We would still have the excitement of tag raids but we wouldn't have to worry about getting kicked out of our own region by raiders. And I wouldn't have to keep two extra puppets here all the time either. I could transfer my WA status to Oakplumington and endorse everyone from this nation.
New Bacon
On the other hand, the risk of getting ejected and banned from our own region is half the fun...
Monotheistic Deities
Honestly I think that they would only try to raid if there was no delegate present
NOTE: [nation=short]Oakplumington[/nation] only you can change things when border control is taken away.
Yeah, they seem to be staying away. We haven't gotten raided in a long time.
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities
Let's try it real quick just to see what happens. I'm going to take border control from you briefly see if you can still alter the WFE. Hold on.
I can't do it yet. The game administrators are still working on that part. We'll try it later on once the changes are enacted because I'm curious to see if you would still have all of your powers.
it will say non-executive at the top next to my name
i dont know nationstates apparently has new changes to their settings Maybe I might have access to some things but i know the old nationstates if you took border control away it was just the founder that had the authority to make the changes.
Oh, I see. I think I understand now.
oh ok i was just looking at the settings; the settings are new
Oakplumington
im going to stay on track with these settings; it would be good to have an assistant to create regional polls when i am not present.
Monotheistic Deities
can I be a regional officer?
Monotheistic Deities, Oakplumington
sure!!!!!!!!! we are still tracking the settings however
I thought I could go through the back door and make you non-exec and then give you every power except border control. But that didn't work either.
We'll have to play with these features once regional officers become available.
Specifically, the question I have is if you are the delegate, and the founder takes away your border control, could you still be the executive?
And could you grant those same border control powers to another officer?
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities
:) time to ban everyone!! hahaha, just kidding . . . ;)
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities, Oakplumington
As a member of the Lunar Council, you will be granted special powers, for sure. :) The administrators are still working on the settings though. New Bacon and I were just checking things out and nothing's working yet.
Monotheistic Deities
Yeah the settings are new but they are not working; although they do look good.
Monotheistic Deities
I cleared out the WFE. All of the information that I had is under the green link at the very bottom. This is good because there will be more space available for us to use on the WFE.
Monotheistic Deities
DELETE? 1. The Interregional Council may not use its power to encroach upon the autonomy of the region or its resident nations and citizens.
Is this too broad? It doesn't seem specific enough to include in the constitution, even though it sounds good.
*Pulls hair out.*
Our constitution is a complete mess. I'm going to take a break.
Monotheistic Deities
Here's another one. With regional officers, I believe that the government will be motivated to be more responsive to the nations here. So, I think I can delete this lengthy and complicated referendum process. Opinions? Thoughts? The fact that WA nations can replace the delegate at anytime plus two Lunar Council seats being up for election every Lunar month should be enough to keep the regional government accountable. And the nations can still petition the government.
DELETE? 3. In the event that the regional government becomes unresponsive to the needs of the member nations, the nations of the region may petition for the passage of a referendum via the regional message board (RMB). Anytime twenty percent or more of the regional population supports a referendum, the Lunar Council is required to address the referendum legislatively. If the Lunar Council is either unresponsive or fails to pass the proposal, then the Executive is required to put up a poll. If a simple majority of member nations are in favor of the poll and the Executive signs off on it, then the referendum will become regional law. If not, then the referendum will not become regional law.
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities
Guess what I just found....
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=356845
Do we want to opt-in for the regional officers thing while they are still testing it for bugs and stuff? There may be some glitches. This early enrollment will need the approval of the Lunar Council (3 votes) and Delegate. I'm in favor.
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities
When you get all votes I approve!
Oakplumington
I've made plenty of history for this region! BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!
Not necessarily DELETE worthy imo, but it should be modified/slimmed down a little and I'm not sure how.
What's the point of the IRC if they can't encroach on our lives at least a little bit? ;)
This is just every day of my life.
Specifically with New Pyosky/Leodora.
Oakplumington
New Bacon and I have decided the official title of "Vice-Delegate" will definitely go to the most senior nation serving on the Lunar Council. So region, I am proud to introduce...
President Nikolas Sica of Monotheistic Deities
President of the Lunar Council
Vice-Delegate of the Region
Monotheistic Deities
Now I have to figure out what that means constitutionally.
Monotheistic Deities
We have four polls currently running
1. The poll above, you know the one that actually looks like a poll.
This is a constitution-related poll requiring 3 votes from the Lunar Council, approval from the Delgate, and a simple majority (4/6) from the residents.
Option 1 - stats: 50% Residents, 50% Lunar Council, Delegate Approval
Option 4 - stats: 17% Residents, 25% Lunar Council
2. Delete the following from our constitution (if you liked the post I'm going to assume you are for deletion):
The Interregional Council may not use its power to encroach upon the autonomy of the region or its resident nations and citizens.
Yes - Oakplumington
No - 0 votes
No, word it differently - Monotheistic Deities
3. Delete the following from our constitution:
"In the event that the regional government becomes unresponsive to the needs of the member nations, the nations of the region may petition for the passage of a referendum via the regional message board (RMB). Anytime twenty percent or more of the regional population supports a referendum, the Lunar Council is required to address the referendum legislatively. If the Lunar Council is either unresponsive or fails to pass the proposal, then the Executive is required to put up a poll. If a simple majority of member nations are in favor of the poll and the Executive signs off on it, then the referendum will become regional law. If not, then the referendum will not become regional law."
Yes - Delegate approval, 50% Lunar Council, 50% Residents
No - 0 votes
4. This one is not Constitutional since the entire website will eventually have this. All we need is the regional government to pass this like a normal law.
Join officers thing early?
Yes - Delegate approval, 50% of the Lunar Council (We just need Puskar's or Submarine Group's signature)
No
Great job everyone! Even with a tiny government we are still making progress!
I just realized that poll #1, which is currently running, will not make it out of the Lunar Council unless Trf Submarine Group V votes in favor of option one. Based on previous votes Submarine Group doesn't get too involved so I'm going to start working on a compromise between option 1 and option 4. I'll come up with something that will pass the Lunar Council with flying colors.
*Mind begins to sizzle, smelling like food*
Monotheistic Deities
I'm a believer! Staying Strong for 75 days and still counting!!
New Bacon
Qedarite Desert Mountains has been invaded. I already visited about a week or so ago and posted their tags, embassies, and world factbook on their RMB.
New Bacon
You may see some strange things happening with my puppet Southern Forestavia over the next few days. Do not be alarmed. I'm going to be testing this officers thing out with it.
It seems he does not participate in any vote; his vote is preferred but not forced upon him
Well, the good thing about our government is that we are not a tyranny by majority. Currently the Lunar Council consists of 4 members. A simple majority is 3 votes. Even though it is clear in the poll above that option 1 is more popular, the minority vote in option 4 (as of right now) is powerful enough to prevent my attempt at what could easily be interpreted as an Oakplumington power grab in the form of pulling border control from everyone. I will still reserve emergency powers along these lines for extenuating circumstances but for now I must submit to the will of the nations here.
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Keeping in mind that the poll is not over yet, I have been thinking about some sort of compromise between the extremes of "no border control for anyone" and "border control for both the Vice-Delegate and the Delegate".
Sneak Preview
If the above poll closes without passing into law, I will propose the following:
"Compromise #1: The Delegate shall continue to retain border control authority. In addition, the Vice-Delegate otherwise known as the President of the Lunar Council may also be granted border control powers at the discretion of the Delegate.
A simple majority of the residents, 3 votes from the Lunar Council, and the approval of the Delegate is necessary to bring this policy, with constitutional ramifications, into law.
Upon passage, the necessary constitutional changes shall be applied to the constitutional draft."
1. Yea
2. Nay"
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So there's some food for thought. Think it over.
Monotheistic Deities
They just made officers site-wide.
FYI
It's impossible to ban someone who has access to border control without taking their border control abilities away from them first. I just banned Southern Forestavia and as Southern Forestavia, I was able to return and clear the ban list.
Seconds ago: The Theocratic Republic of Southern Forestavia arrived from The Rejected Realms.
•Seconds ago: The Theocratic Republic of Southern Forestavia cleared the regional ban list.
•3 minutes ago: The Theocratic Republic of Southern Forestavia departed this region for The Rejected Realms.
•3 minutes ago: The Anarchy of Oakplumington ejected and banned The Theocratic Republic of Southern Forestavia from the region.
Post self-deleted by Oakplumington.
Post self-deleted by Oakplumington.
Ok Bacon, I took away your executive powers but gave you everything back including border control. This is just a test. See if you can appoint Southern Forestavia as an officer.
If that doesn't work try banning Southern Forestavia and see if that works.
I haven't made up my mind yet but I'm thinking about making my puppet Military Forestavia a shared nation. Only the Delegate and Vice-Delegate would have access to it. Contained in it is a dossier of known invaders, and empowered with all possible authorities, not to mention the accumulated influence. This could be our region's not-so-secret weapon against invasions.
At this point, I believe we are so strong that the only way an invasion could be successful is if our region was infiltrated. And the infiltration would have to reach high up into the government. So this is good news. I think about it over the next few days.
Monotheistic Deities
In case anyone is wondering why I'm being so finicky about this border control thing.
Remember, I was ejected from my own region The Prayer Room a few months ago. And the invader refounded and locked it right away. I just want to make sure that doesn't happen here because we have all spent a long time working on this place. At the same time I can appreciate the fun of living on the edge. So I'm trying to find that balance. I've been reading this forum so that I can learn more about all this: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=356700
Apparently more changes are in the works. The whole R/D aspect of the game has been altered. I'm not sure what that means yet (I don't think anyone really does at this point). But I have a feeling things are going to be more exciting than they once were.
It doesn't look like the Border Control policy is going to make it out of the Lunar Council. I'll leave the poll up until it expires. But I think we should begin talking about Compromise #1 as I posted on the RMB above. What does everyone think about it? Should I add anything or take anything out? And why?
Announcement everyone,
Some of your powers may have a delay on them. I just tried to put up a poll in UTNA (as Forestavia) and the game said that I didn't have my position long enough yet. So don't panic if you have the title and the powers and can't use them yet. There's obviously a delay built in. From what I've been reading in the forums it looks like 26 hours, but I could be wrong. This is like a whole new game! We're gonna have a ton of fun learning about these features and all the ins and outs for weeks to come.
I think I know what to do about this. I'm going to replace it with a list of specific actions that can only be done with the consent of the Mystical Council's domestic government (the Lunar Council and the Delegate). Everything else will be fair game as long as two branches of government approve.
Constitutional Amendments will still require slightly higher support. I don't see anything changing there.
Monotheistic Deities
I would like to make a motion to close the above poll.
Do I have a second?
Any objections?
Monotheistic Deities
It may be some delay I do not know at this point but I cannot appoint officers as of yet
Ok, you're executive now without any powers. See if you can give yourself control of everything.
There should be boxes that you can check off.
Ok I just appointed Southern Forestavia a foreign affairs officer
Just a test however
Oakplumington
Excellent!
Next test. Give yourself border control.
Alright
Just gave myself border control
Ok, next test.
Ban and eject Southern Forestavia
Ok
Ok cool. Don't do anything. I'm going to log onto southern forestavia. I want to see something. I'll be right back.
Just banned Southern Forestavia NOTE TO OTHERS, TEST ONLY
It worked! Thanks! :)
New Bacon
Ok, is there anything you want to do? As far as experimenting with these features.
I think I am learning these features pretty well now.
Oakplumington
I think that is pretty much it
These tests helped me understand how things work a lot better. It's one thing to read and see it, but another to actually use it. Thanks for the help.
Anytime! ;)
Oakplumington
Umm aside from the border control thing, I think there should be a balance of power in all the nations serving on the council and Cabinet. Border control should be vested in one officer who can handle nations entering and the vice delegate and delegate/executive should use border control for emergencies only. Maybe, that one officer can do background checks on that particular nation to make sure they have not done any damage to other regions. In the past I have done background checks on new nations to make sure they do not hijack the region. If we have a founder and a delegate present, we should not have any problems with the region being hijacked. That's just my opinion however; maybe others have a different opinion.
Monotheistic Deities, Oakplumington
Maybe [nation=short]Military Forestavia[/nation] can be the official regional border officer and then I and [nation=short]Monotheistic Deities[/nation] can have emergency powers for border control.
I was thinking about giving you and Monotheistic Deities the password to Military Forestavia, but I haven't made up my mind yet. Military Forestavia would be like the back up weapon in case you guys would run out of influence or something like that during an invasion. Give me about another week to think it over.
New Bacon
Border control is definitely something that would only be used during emergencies. If I understand correctly, you're saying that the Founder, the Delegate, and the Vice Delegate (me, you, and Monotheistic Deities) would jointly hold border control authority but only one of us would do background checks? I honestly haven't done any background research on anyone. I've been working under the assumption that there are always nations out there who will seek to destroy us.
What are your opinions on the other powers? How much power should the Lunar Council have versus your Cabinet? I'm open to suggestions since there are a multitude of ways we can go with our government with these new options.
I have another crazy idea to share with you guys. What if we decided not to have a constitution at all? Can't tell if I'm being practical or just plain lazy. Or maybe instead of a complex document where I go through every branch, I just make a few simple rules. We could be a free-spirited constitutionless region!
Yes correct or the security puppet can do the background checks; either way I am going to do background checks. Border Control should be an emergency thing.
Ummm I wouldn't want to mess with others nations
There can be other nations out of the loop as well; Remember Luremurg? He was exiled from UTNA. The background checks are important. It lets me and others know about that nation.
Monotheistic Deities, Oakplumington
By the way, who takes kids into deep ocean waters? #forgetsalot
Monotheistic Deities, Oakplumington
All right guys I think it's time to start recruiting others to come into the mystical council; UTNA is building their population. I'm feeling determined that we as a whole can make our population grow; the last few months I have been trying hard to get people to come in the region.
Monotheistic Deities
Yeah, I agree. I've been reading some of the forums and there are a lot of things that can go wrong with nation sharing. That's why I've been taking my time thinking about it. Then I thought of a more obvious solution: you guys could bring your own puppets over and we can give those puppets border control - without the risks of nation-sharing. Then we would be a really secure region. This place would be like the fort knox of regional influence, completely impenetrable by raiders. The solution is so obvious I'm surprised I didn't think of it before!
I'll start looking for regions that have the recruiter friendly tag on them.
Keep up the good work New Bacon!
New Bacon
Worked on the constitution a little. Getting there, sort of. You can check out what I have so far and see if I need to include anything or take anything out.
New Bacon
This is under Amendment 2.
2. The Delegate, Vice Delegate, and Founder shall be the only nations to hold authority over regional border control. The Delegate may also add a puppet nation to the regional officer list with authority over border control [as a regional security measure]. At the discretion of the Delegate, the Vice Delegate may also add a puppet nation to the regional officer list with authority over border control. The Delegate's puppet and the Vice Delegate's puppet should be clearly marked as puppets belonging to those nations.
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities
Of course the puppets will have my name on them; they won't be undercover puppets
I'm not worried about undercover so much as confusing new nations who arrive and think we have two more officers than we really have.
I'm having way too much fun with this RP. :)
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities
I think that RP is funny by the way.
Oakplumington
Thanks.
Check out this activity from The Silver Isles:
"172 days ago: The Silver Isles was targeted for Liberation in a World Assembly proposal by The Social Democracy of Pyrosky."
Pyrosky is our very own Monotheistic Deities!
I just happened to chance across it as I was surfing through regions. I've never even attempted to write anything for the WA. I think it's awesome that nearly half a year later there's still a record of it!
New Bacon, Monotheistic Deities
I have only voted for the WA but never wrote anything for them.
We do have an embassy invite from OpenStudy and I would like someone to accept the invitation that is not Oakplumington or New Bacon;(SORRY OAKPLUMINGTON) so the features can be tried out and to make sure they are working properly. I know normally I accept invitations but since everyone has maximum power I would like to see if the features are working correctly.
Oakplumington
Man, I've been meaning to post but my electronics keep crapping out on me.
ANYWAY.
I like the compromise (Compromise 1) you came up with a while ago Oakplumington, it fits with what I think we should do for border control perfectly. Also, the addition to amendment 2 is
Gotcha.
Awesome! I didn't think it'd still be there months later; it's kinda cool to look back and remember the effort I put into creating the liberation proposal, it was something I'd planned on doing since I first found the region months before then. Sadly, I didn't realize it'd take way more effort than it was worth to liberate a region with an active founder, so the proposal got shot down by veterans of the Forums pretty quickly. There were a lot of people really liked it though!
This just makes me think of the fact that annexation of regions was one of the proposals of the same r/d summit that spawned the Regional Officers, and I get all excited. How cool would it be to have empires that span numerous regions?! I think it'd be an amazing element to add to the game; not just for raiders, but for general use. Something like that would allow for a sense of legitimacy for the situation with TGHI and IHOHP.
ALSO: I found something interesting while perusing the DEN RMB: The Potato League
They seem to be going around 'colonizing' small, inactive regions. I may have found myself my first rival for the Potatoist Union, but I'm still not exactly sure what to make of it.
Woops, forgot I was still on Knoblauch. For those who don't know, this is [nation=short]Monotheistic Deities[/nation], btw!
New Bacon
Just confirming this. Carry on.
New Bacon
pretty fitting as well. It makes sense to have a couple influence hog/officer puppets sitting in the region in case of emergency.
Oakplumington
Knoblauch: Welcome to The Mystical Council!
New Bacon, Oakplumington, Knoblauch
Thanks [nation=short]Monotheistic Deities[/nation] for testing out the feature.
Monotheistic Deities
Just checking in after a brief vacation in UTNA!
That Potato League region is definitely going to be a nemesis for the Potatoist Union. Ah, the politics of the potato....
Full List of Presidential Candidates from All Political Parties (scroll all the way down for third parties):
http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm
I decided to shake things up and throw up a poll about the 2016 election.
Post self-deleted by Monotheistic Deities.
I was just trying to copy the link, but iPads are full of suck.
Oakplumington simultaneously elects a dictator, a prime minister, a king, a queen, a president, a religious head, five bishops, four advisors, three senators, and a partridge in a pear tree to run its government. Oakplumington has fully embraced anarchy and so it is not clear how much power any of these people (or birds) will have. Plum Oakton is still considered a supreme leader of some sort with simultaneously all power and no power at the same time. Frogcha paces back and fourth while still considering the murky waters of creating a department of religious affairs.
I still can't get the whole touch screen thing down. I admit that I am fully dependent on a mouse and keyboard.
Monotheistic Deities
Welcome to The Mystical Council, Masego!!!!!! :) :)
Stay as long as you like. If you're interested in regional government, there just so happens to be a Lunar Council seat available for the taking.
Monotheistic Deities
All dispatches that I had pinned to the WFE are now imbedded in my main dispatch "Be an Informed Nation!"
This means there will be more space for other nations to pin their own dispatches.
A few minutes ago at the Security Council...
(http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=356703&start=50)
Lunar Council Member Frogcha approached the podium. Every step he took was determined and his eyes had a hint of suppressed anger.
"Today, ladies and gentleman, I have travelled all the way from The Mystical Council to reveal to the world the truth regarding the atrocious assertion that The Red Fleet somehow deserves to be commended for the evil that it performs.
I will begin by telling the story of Libertarian, that blessed region which fosters a culture of freedom, capitalism, and celebrates the rights of the individual. Several months ago, The Red Fleet attacked this very region without provocation. Their only justification being a few embassies with fascist connections.
Well ladies and gentleman, in my humble opinion The Red Fleet should have targeted regions fostering tyranny and not regions fostering freedom. They claimed that Libertarian was 'liberated' when in fact the nations residing therein were content and happy prior to the invasion. The raiding of innocent regions is not something this Security Council should sponsor, endorse, or in any other way support!
I will say that The Mystical Council shall continue to stand by its embassy regions including Libertarian."
He paused.
"I never would have thought that I would see the day when our very own Security Council would turn against innocent regions who have been victims of raids and instead stand with raiders."
At this Frogcha left the podium, anger still seething below the surface.
Monotheistic Deities, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
~Breaking News~
Frogcha recommends voting against the current Security Council resolution which, if passed, would commend The Red Fleet. "Yes, the same Red Fleet who attacked Libertarian some time ago. We must not commend these nautical invaders."
Monotheistic Deities, Au912 Mystical Council Consulate
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